The post funny stuff thread v.Aleph-naught

[bosk1]

Yup.  And, unless I am mistaken, I'm pretty sure it is a myth that they get paid for every "in store" play either.  Unless the store in question is using some sort of broadcast service or streaming service, there isn't a way for outsiders to track that.  I'm pretty sure the whole "I get paid every time my song is played at the store" thing is just a joke/urban myth.  Now, where that could be some truth to it is that there are probably some sort of licensing agreements where the store chains pay a certain amount to license songs for its "soundtracks" that it plays in their stores by which the artists do get paid for use of their songs.  But that still isn't the same thing. 

I'm guessing PG, who has more knowledge of this area in general, could probably shed more light (and could correct me if I am mistaken about any of the above).

[Kotowboy]

I know stores that play music HAVE to pay PRS. But obviously they're not telling PRS which songs they're playing.

Just found this after a quick search on the Googolplex

BBC Radio 1

PRS average payment per minute £14.91

PPL average payment per play £37.76

Yeah thats the biggest radio station in the UK - and best case scenario obviously but whatever....


But my point is that - just think how many times that one Slade song gets played ANYWHERE from Nov 1st to December 25. Even if its pennies. It soon adds up.

[pg1067]

I can't speak to how things work in the UK.  However, I imagine it's at least similar to the U.S.

In the U.S., most publishing for popular music is administered through agencies like ASCAP and BMI.  Those agencies grant blanket licenses to radio stations and stores and other places where music is publicly performed.  The blanket license makes things much simpler.  Otherwise someone at a grocery store would have to keep track of what songs get played at every store every day and then figure out how much to pay for each performance.  It would be a record keeping nightmare.  The licenses are issued based on the revenue of the licensee (on average, a bit less than 2% of revenue).  The licensee still keeps logs of what is played, and ASCAP and BMI will do spot checks.  However, at the end ot the day, the revenue from blanket licenses is distributed by how much airplay each song gets.

At the end of the day, the amount paid per play is in the 6-12 cent range.  If you've got a song that gets played 10 million x per year and you're getting 10 cents per play, then you're getting $1 million per year.  Reasonable.  If that same songwriter is getting 30 GBP per play, he'd be earning 300 million GBP per year, which is obviously absurd.

[jingle.boy]

Since we're now well down the rabbit-hole of 'not funny', perhaps the BBC numbers are skewed as such, because they're a national station, and could ostensibly be considered (for instance) the equivalent of 200 regional radio stations?  So, instead of paying $.10/play per station, it's not terribly unreasonable for it to be £30/play

[Kotowboy]

Maybe the £30 figure I always heard as a teen was literally just the BBC because they're so massive ( A Corporation no less ) that they can afford it.


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[Chino]

Since we're now well down the rabbit-hole of 'not funny', perhaps the BBC numbers are skewed as such, because they're a national station, and could ostensibly be considered (for instance) the equivalent of 200 regional radio stations?  So, instead of paying $.10/play per station, it's not terribly unreasonable for it to be £30/play

Interesting thought. So you're asking if a station like Z100 pays $30 per play across 100 of their stations, whereas 100 individually owned stations would each pay $0.30 per play?

[jingle.boy]

Since we're now well down the rabbit-hole of 'not funny', perhaps the BBC numbers are skewed as such, because they're a national station, and could ostensibly be considered (for instance) the equivalent of 200 regional radio stations?  So, instead of paying $.10/play per station, it's not terribly unreasonable for it to be £30/play

Interesting thought. So you're asking if a station like Z100 pays $30 per play across 100 of their stations, whereas 100 individually owned stations would each pay $0.30 per play?

Something like that. I’d assume that the size of the market plays (or should play) a factor in royalty calculations. Like, a station playing in NYC would have higher royalties than a station in Boise. 

[Stadler]

Defer to PG 100% here, but I always thought radio stations and live music venues paid a flat rate for royalties across the board, and it got divided up by the publishing houses based on their internal allocations.   I KNOW a place like Toad's Place - a 750 seat club that DT played a LOT in the early days - pays a royalty like that.   Else, every time some local band - who isn't doing that due diligence - takes the stage to "Who Let The Dogs Out" or breaks into "Smoke On The Water" at the end of their set would have to be chased down for royalties.

[pg1067]

Defer to PG 100% here, but I always thought radio stations and live music venues paid a flat rate for royalties across the board, and it got divided up by the publishing houses based on their internal allocations.   I KNOW a place like Toad's Place - a 750 seat club that DT played a LOT in the early days - pays a royalty like that.   Else, every time some local band - who isn't doing that due diligence - takes the stage to "Who Let The Dogs Out" or breaks into "Smoke On The Water" at the end of their set would have to be chased down for royalties.

Radio stations keep logs.  Live venues don't, and there are internal mechanisms at BMI and ASCAP to deal with that.  But you're right about the flat rate for the blanket license.

[Harmony]

Just doing a little Christmas shopping.... 

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

Just doing a little Christmas shopping.... 

Adorpion? 

[Stadler]

A+ for the idea, C- for the execution.  Wrong letter. 

[King Postwhore]

That shirt is made for me.

[Zydar]

[Stadler]

That shirt is made for me.

HAHA.

[Zydar]

Clamomille tea? That's what tea bagging is?

[Lonk]

[Nekov]

 

[Snow Dog]

Probably my favorite shirt idea in recent memory.

[T-ski]

Probably my favorite shirt idea in recent memory.

 

[Ben_Jamin]

Probably my favorite shirt idea in recent memory.

MORTAL TROGDOR!!!!

It's been a while since I even mentioned TROGDOR.... 

[Cool Chris]

Oh wow I looked at that shirt for a good minute wondering what I was missing. I didn't even recognize it was Trogdor!

[pg1067]

Oh wow I looked at that shirt for a good minute wondering what I was missing. I didn't even recognize it was Trogdor!

[Lonk]

Oh wow I looked at that shirt for a good minute wondering what I was missing. I didn't even recognize it was Trogdor!

[T-ski]

Oh wow I looked at that shirt for a good minute wondering what I was missing. I didn't even recognize it was Trogdor!

I doubt this will help, but this is the origin of Trogdor… https://youtu.be/TfrAf1a9Qhs

[pg1067]

So...someone combined a crappy dragon drawing from a YouTube video with a good dragon drawing....

Ok....

[Snow Dog]

More like…

Someone noticed that the dragon from an iconic silly video for its time and the dragon from the Mortal Kombat series’ logo looked somewhat similar and were in basically the same posture, so they decided to do a bit of a mashup.

Silly and stupid? Sure. But I thought it was clever, and it hearkened back to a time of internet fondness. That’s all.

[Ben_Jamin]

More like…

Someone noticed that the dragon from an iconic silly video for its time and the dragon from the Mortal Kombat series’ logo looked somewhat similar and were in basically the same posture, so they decided to do a bit of a mashup.

Silly and stupid? Sure. But I thought it was clever, and it hearkened back to a time of internet fondness. That’s all.

Maybe he should've employed some Chiaroscuro Shading...

[faizoff]

Oh wow I looked at that shirt for a good minute wondering what I was missing. I didn't even recognize it was Trogdor!

Back before youtube and memes and YTMND we had silly videos and series on the webs to keep us entertained. Strong Bad and several other characters were anticipated webisodes that made for a fun watch. Trogdor was one of the characters in the series.

[TAC]

Back before youtube and memes and YTMND we had silly videos and series on the webs to keep us entertained. Strong Bad and several other characters were anticipated webisodeswould and they make for a fun watch. Trogdor was one of the characters.

Not sure I understand a single word of this.

[faizoff]

I think I had a stroke while writing that lol.

Here's the origin episode of Trogdor

[King Postwhore]

Even if you didn't have the stroke faizoff, Tim wouldn't understand.   Lol

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

Even if you didn't have the stroke faizoff, Tim wouldn't understand.   Lol

It's always a matter of time before Tim pops into a thread to say either "I don't get it" or "What is that?"

It's one of the unwritten rules of the DTF forum (aka Winger Theater Forum (or WTF)) 

[Cool Chris]

I remember in the early 2000s, I was in a bit of a weird place in my life, I was between jobs for a couple months, living alone, with an internet connection and laptop for the first time. I didn't get out much, kept odd hours, and was on this new-fangled (to me, anyway) internet way too often. No idea how I stumbled upon Homestar Runner. I thought th ee majority of the site was dumb. But damn if I didn't refresh my screen early Monday mornings to get the new Strong Bad email!

[Kotowboy]

The only thing I liked in that sort of style was Burnt Face Man. But that got old really quickly as well.