Re: DT16 Timeline Thread - John finished recording guitar parts

[Metro]

i know it might sound crazy for JLB to vocalize some string and brass parts, but he's done crazier. after all, i did set up a gofundme to pay for this cameo once a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHCTSp1R8U

But you didn't. YouTuber kmac2021 paid for that Cameo.

And before you say it, no, you're not kmac2021.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

i know it might sound crazy for JLB to vocalize some string and brass parts, but he's done crazier. after all, i did set up a gofundme to pay for this cameo once a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHCTSp1R8U

But you didn't. YouTuber kmac2021 paid for that Cameo.

And before you say it, no, you're not kmac2021.

i'm not kmac2021, but i am a character inspired by his brother's life

[Zydar]

A bearded gentleman?

[Lonk]

A bearded gentleman?

Historian!

[OpenYourEyes311]

I think DT's most successful reinterpretations of other bands' material is in the live context, when they weave snippets of other songs into their own material. One example that particularly stands out for me is when they incorporated Sugar Mice and Mother into Hollow Years (I think?) on the PN09 tour.

Just for accuracy, that would have been Surrounded '07.

There's a great version of that on Chaos In Motion! I listened to that recently for the first time in a long time and absolutely loved it.

[hefdaddy42]

If they are going to take time and energy to record music at all, I would much rather it be new original DT music than covers.  I just don't see the point of them recording covers.  Please no covers.

This is a false dichotomy.  They could take the time and energy to record new DT music, then still probably bust out some cool covers.

It is NOT a false dichotomy.  The time and energy they put into covers is time and energy they could put into more original music, which is what I specifically said I would prefer.  And I still don't even see the appeal of them doing covers.

i'd love to hear DT to an in-the-studio-cover of my all-time favorite song, Rhapsody In Blue

What

Just listen to the LTE version?

I meant by Dream Theater proper. I would want James to vocalize some of the instruments, as well.

WTF kind of shit are you talking about now

i know it might sound crazy for JLB to vocalize some string and brass parts, but he's done crazier. after all, i did set up a gofundme to pay for this cameo once a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHCTSp1R8U

But you didn't. YouTuber kmac2021 paid for that Cameo.

And before you say it, no, you're not kmac2021.

i'm not kmac2021, but i am a character inspired by his brother's life

WTF kind of shit are you talking about now

[Schurftkut]

My favorite song ever is Idioglossia by Pain of Salvation.

i looked up that song on youtube, and my first thought was i've heard this before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn5-sCMzNRQ

it takes a bit longer to go to that same progression, but there's your 2/5ths of DT playing something like your favorite song 

[Adami]

I guess I can hear how the opening riff is similar to the opening song in the OSI thing (had to take a quick listen) but that's about it. Is there more in OSI that sounds like Idioglossia after the main riff?

[ZirconBlue]

It is NOT a false dichotomy.  The time and energy they put into covers is time and energy they could put into more original music, which is what I specifically said I would prefer.  And I still don't even see the appeal of them doing covers.

That's only true if you think time and energy are finite things that aren't replenished.  By this logic, they should all end up in the hospital in a coma after recording, since they've used up all their energy.  Or, they would spend the rest of their lives writing songs for DT16, since each new day brings more time and more energy. 


In reality, they can put the same amount of time and energy into making the album as they wish, then, probably while mixing/mastering the album, cut some cover tunes that really don't take a lot of time or energy.  Or at least not the same kind of energy. 


I like covers where the artist really makes the song their own (which DT doesn't do often), or when they record covers of songs that I am not particularly familiar with, or are not favorites (which DT does).  The Rainbow, Zebra, and Queen songs on the BCaSL bonus disc are fantastic songs that I was not at all familiar with.  I've since gone back and listened to, and enjoyed, the originals.  But, either because I heard them first, or because of the more modern production, I prefer the DT versions. 

[gzarruk]

Well, I think the issue here isn't whether or not they should use some of their energy working on and recording covers, but rather their MO while in the studio. We have no clues on how are they going to use their studio time for this album, but usually what they do is gather together in the studio, write an album worth of music, record it and that's it, they leave. The album then goes to the "production" phase where it gets mixed, mastered, etc, so the rest of the guys just shift gears and get in touring mode or promotional mode, whatever.

In other words, they get in the studio, do their thing, and then leave. They usually don't get back in "studio mode" until the next album cycle, and that's been their MO for most of their career. It'd be silly to expect otherwise, I think. So, in that context, spending some of their limited time arranging covers and whatnot could be considered a total waste of time. On top of that, we don't know if their deadline is just before Mike and Jordan go away to do CTTE or if they'll get back together after to keep writing/recording. If it's the former, then it leaves them even less time to do that.

Now, in my personal opinion, I just don't understand people actively wanting the band to cover other people's songs. Just listen to the originals, guys. The world definitely needs more versions of the same classic songs from the same classic bands. But, again, that's just my personal view.

I agree with Scotty's take on original material, though. Why settle for the first 70-ish minutes of music you came up with when you can keep writing and trying to get even better stuff and then choose the best songs from the bunch? BUT, that's just not how they work anymore, and they haven't since the 90's.

[OpenYourEyes311]

It is NOT a false dichotomy.  The time and energy they put into covers is time and energy they could put into more original music, which is what I specifically said I would prefer.  And I still don't even see the appeal of them doing covers.

That's only true if you think time and energy are finite things that aren't replenished.  By this logic, they should all end up in the hospital in a coma after recording, since they've used up all their energy.  Or, they would spend the rest of their lives writing songs for DT16, since each new day brings more time and more energy. 


In reality, they can put the same amount of time and energy into making the album as they wish, then, probably while mixing/mastering the album, cut some cover tunes that really don't take a lot of time or energy.  Or at least not the same kind of energy. 


I like covers where the artist really makes the song their own (which DT doesn't do often), or when they record covers of songs that I am not particularly familiar with, or are not favorites (which DT does).  The Rainbow, Zebra, and Queen songs on the BCaSL bonus disc are fantastic songs that I was not at all familiar with.  I've since gone back and listened to, and enjoyed, the originals.  But, either because I heard them first, or because of the more modern production, I prefer the DT versions.

Agreed on the bolded. I think these stood out to me more than the other three for two reasons:

1. James LaBrie sounds fuggin fantastic on them.
2. The production is fuggin fantastic on them.

The instrumental covers and To Tame A Land are all missing one or both of those reasons, which make them less interesting/good to my ears.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

What

c'mon daddio, can't tell me you never imagine James LaBrie doing his best impression of the brass intro over DT progging the fuck out of The Rhapsody

[Lonk]

[crystalstars17]

for me, the appeal of dream theater doing covers stems from the desire to hear their interpretation of classic tracks. the hope being that their technical prowess and unique musical style would bring a fresh perspective, even if it doesn't always deviate significantly from the original arrangement.

Thissssss! 💯 Their cover of Since I've Been Loving You literally brought me to tears.

[Buddyhunter1]

At least this tells us he might be using the 8 string again.

[Zydar]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

[Lonk]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

[Kocak]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Or they're packing them up because they won't be needing it for the sessions any longer?

Confirmation that JP is now the second keyboardist? Or the drummer who'll be using the other site of the monster kit?

[hefdaddy42]

It is NOT a false dichotomy.  The time and energy they put into covers is time and energy they could put into more original music, which is what I specifically said I would prefer.  And I still don't even see the appeal of them doing covers.

That's only true if you think time and energy are finite things that aren't replenished.  By this logic, they should all end up in the hospital in a coma after recording, since they've used up all their energy.  Or, they would spend the rest of their lives writing songs for DT16, since each new day brings more time and more energy. 


In reality, they can put the same amount of time and energy into making the album as they wish, then, probably while mixing/mastering the album, cut some cover tunes that really don't take a lot of time or energy.  Or at least not the same kind of energy.   

It's almost like you aren't actually reading what I'm typing.

In your scenario, my preference, hope, wish, and desire is that they make the album, and then, while mixing/mastering the album, they cut more original songs.

Not sure what you aren't getting, or what you are arguing for or against.

They can do whatever they want, obviously.  But I for one have no use whatsoever for any more covers recorded in the studio.  We're so excited that Portnoy is back in the band that we hope they re-record stuff that other people already recorded (even them, re: re-recording WDADU or any other old shit)?  I don't get it, man.  You do you.

[ReaperKK]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

Let's not jump to conclusions, for all we know those guitars could be inspiration corner for JLB who will vocalize all the guitar lines for the new record.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

Let's not jump to conclusions, for all we know those guitars could be inspiration corner for JLB who will vocalize all the guitar lines for the new record.

exactly, see my post about The Rhapsody in Brie

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Just listen to the LTE version?

I meant by Dream Theater proper. I would want James to vocalize some of the instruments, as well.

In case anyone wanted to know what this post meant:

https://soundcloud.com/hjklas/rhapsody-in-chungus

[YngVai]

If we ignore it do you think it will go away on it's own?

[Dream Team]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

Let's not jump to conclusions, for all we know those guitars could be inspiration corner for JLB who will vocalize all the guitar lines for the new record.

exactly, see my post about The Rhapsody in Brie

Wow you’re not very good at picking up sarcasm are you?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

Let's not jump to conclusions, for all we know those guitars could be inspiration corner for JLB who will vocalize all the guitar lines for the new record.

exactly, see my post about The Rhapsody in Brie

Wow you’re not very good at picking up sarcasm are you?

no maybe you could explain it to me

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

If we ignore it do you think it will go away on it's own?

welcome to the forums, we appreciate kindness and love here, not dehumanizing jokes

[crystalstars17]

If we ignore it do you think it will go away on it's own?

welcome to the forums, we appreciate kindness and love here, not dehumanizing jokes

It's not worth it, my friend.. 😓

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Chances of a double album?

[Architeuthis]

Chances of a double album?

That would be awesome!  Luike in the vain of 6 degrees?

[NoFred]

Chances of a double album?

I’d be down for a Maiden or Metallica style “double” at around 80-90 minutes. Longer is fine but I’m hoping for a good full album listen

[nobloodyname]

Confirmation that there will be guitars on the album.

Guarantee that least 1 song will include a guitar solo.

Let's not jump to conclusions, for all we know those guitars could be inspiration corner for JLB who will vocalize all the guitar lines for the new record.

exactly, see my post about The Rhapsody in Brie

Can't believe you got crap for this. I genuinely laughed out loud Was a well-crafted turnaround.

[PMSummer]

Just listen to the LTE version?

I meant by Dream Theater proper. I would want James to vocalize some of the instruments, as well.

In case anyone wanted to know what this post meant:

https://soundcloud.com/hjklas/rhapsody-in-chungus

What the 

[nikatapi]

Chances of a double album?

That would be incredible.

[Kocak]

Chances of a double album?

I wouldn't want this, but hoping for a short and concise album, I'm in the minority here.

[Zydar]

Quality over quantity.