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Litho - do you know the Orphanage album (By Time Alone), by any chance? I'm only asking because it has that mid-90s Dutch "sound" that you seem to appreciate. This came out in 1996 - now, it doesn't really sound like, say, early Within Temptation...yes, there's harsh vocals (not that great), female vocals and some pretty unique choral chants/harmonies from other members of the band...but while the atmosphere gets a bit doom-y at times, there are no gothic overtones, really. It's rhythmically quite interesting (sometimes they do modern Meshuggah-lite, before Meshuggah even did it
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) and it was quite ahead of its time. Oh, and I'm seeing that the bass player ended up in the first couple Kingfisher Sky's records - so there's a more specific connection for you!
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