Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage

Started by Nick, July 28, 2011, 02:20:34 PM

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chknptpie

The album came out in 2007... we've had a lot of time to think about this lol

ariich

Just popping in to say Luke, you were right. Vaxis II is right up my street.

I haven't changed my mind about their earlier albums and I tried Vaxis I as well and it was pretty good but still lacking in punch and engaging melodies. Vaxis II is so much more enjoyable.

Was it an intentional shift in direction by Claudio? But why for act II and not the first album in this new series? Or did he just suddenly learn how to write good hooks?

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Lonk

Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PM
Just popping in to say Luke, you were right. Vaxis II is right up my street.

I haven't changed my mind about their earlier albums and I tried Vaxis I as well and it was pretty good but still lacking in punch and engaging melodies. Vaxis II is so much more enjoyable.

Was it an intentional shift in direction by Claudio? But why for act II and not the first album in this new series? Or did he just suddenly learn how to write good hooks?

twosuitsluke

#1298
Quote from: Vmadera00 on November 07, 2023, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PM
Just popping in to say Luke, you were right. Vaxis II is right up my street.

I haven't changed my mind about their earlier albums and I tried Vaxis I as well and it was pretty good but still lacking in punch and engaging melodies. Vaxis II is so much more enjoyable.

Was it an intentional shift in direction by Claudio? But why for act II and not the first album in this new series? Or did he just suddenly learn how to write good hooks?


Yea, get the fuck outta this thread with talk like that. Coheed have more hooks than DTF has objective vs. subjective debates.

But yea, glad you're digging it. It is such a satisfying album and one that has shot up to become my most scrobbled, in short order.
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luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

twosuitsluke

Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

cramx3

Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 28, 2023, 04:42:43 AM
Following the Record Store Day release on vinyl Live at the Starland Ballroom is now on all streaming services...

https://open.spotify.com/album/0jznSbE2RDsFDR0cgccWtH?si=yeuU45jjQgWiEzG2SJ2Nyw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0jznSbE2RDsFDR0cgccWtH

Oh thats cool they have a live album from my local venue, Starland.

twosuitsluke

Apparently new single The Joke is coming out on May the 8th. Nothing official by the band yet but there are murmurs.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
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luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Lonk


Duppies_Don_Dacid

I'm kind of hoping for another direction change for the band. I haven't really loved anything they've done since the Afterman stuff. The Color Before the Sun was awful and the last 2 albums, while OK, just didn't capture the same magic.....In my opinion, of course.

I don't really want them to rehash anything, but a change is needed, I think.
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twosuitsluke

I don't think a change is needed personally, but I'd welcome it all the same. I adore the last album, mainly due to my personal connection to the lyrical content. It was able to put into words a lot of my feelings (and fears) since becoming a dad to a neurodiverse child.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

DTA

I feel like the Vaxis albums are the best releases since GA1. Catchy songs along with some more expansive, complex songs is all I need from this band.

twosuitsluke

You can hear Coheed's new single The Joke on Daniel P Carter's Radio 1 Rock Show, at 1:28:50...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001yn20

I'm not sure after two listens. It has that same production from the previous album where something feels 'off' and some parts are just too loud and imposing. Something about this sound reminds me of The Color Before the Sun (which I don't hate, for the record) meets Vaxis II.

I'm sure it will grow, like most Coheed does. The single is officially out tomorrow.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

chknptpie

I really need to hear how this fits in with the whole album. It's hard for me to judge, first gut is ... huh

Metro

First impression, it sounds like a b-side from the last album. Very similar production, which I agree sounds off. Doesn't stick out to me much.

Metro

#1309
https://store.coheedandcambria.com/collections/all-exc-music/products/the-joke-deranged-7-single-coke-bottle-clear-blood-splatter-vinyl

Looks like I was right, it is a leftover track from Vaxis II

QuoteThis is a special release for Coheed and Cambria, a very rare standalone 2 song release. The Joke is a track that came from album sessions but felt better paired with the re-release and remix/remaster of the fan favorite, yet hard to find 2012 track, Deranged, which is a homage to the synergy between Batman and the Joker, and how every hero needs a villain. The Joke lives in its own lane with this other rare track, and we felt it was a great bridge between the band's most recent album, Vaxis 2: The Window of the Waking Mind, and their yet to be announced follow up album coming soon on Virgin Music.

Music video: https://youtu.be/-E7gNsy-OoI

chknptpie

It's grown on me, which is pretty normal for me regarding Coheed really. Few things....

Claudio said the video has an easter egg for NWFT
Also... Virgin Music? Interesting switch.

Nel_Annette

These two songs are probably the most I've enjoyed the band since the Afterman era. Great stuff. Not to say I don't like the last three albums, there's songs on them I like, but nothing's hit me the same way their old stuff used to (I did think Vaxis II was a big improvement over the first, though. And "Ghost" is a really pretty song.)

SoundscapeMN

The Joker laughing at Teal'c from Stargate?
"I have facility enough that I can throw down something, and play it, and play it correctly, and play it in time, but that doesn't make good records.  What makes good records for me, is when you capture a performance or you get some feeling that you get on tape and that you know you can't plan for it" -Kevin Gilbert

nick_z

Josh Eppard Drumeo video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gnRlzGzUhc

Haven't watched any of it yet, but should be fun...love his drumming. I'll probably check it out this weekend...

twosuitsluke

Quote from: nick_z on July 23, 2024, 04:14:38 PMJosh Eppard Drumeo video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gnRlzGzUhc

Haven't watched any of it yet, but should be fun...love his drumming. I'll probably check it out this weekend...
Thanks for sharing dude. Only watched Comatose so far, but gonna come back and watch the whole thing.

Josh is one of my all time favourite drummers, and he fucking kills it on Vaxis II. I didn't realise he plays Comatose bass with one foot! It's such a fun song and one I fully drum on my desk, table, steering wheel, knee, whenever I hear it.

He certainly gives Lars a run for his money when it comes to facial expressions as well :lol

Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
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Duppies_Don_Dacid

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Lonk

I would love to see him playing a bigger kit one day. I love that he doesn't use a double pedal, and how creative he is with the limited amount of pieces in his drum set. But give him some more toms, a few playful cymbals and I'm sure he would come up with some interesting stuff.

Great video  :tup

twosuitsluke

Just finished watching.

Man, I love Josh so much. He seems such a genuine, humble dude and plays with such passion. He may not be the most gifted drummer but I think he writes such interesting drum parts, and being my favourite band, they clearly do something for me.

I never realised he played with such a small kit, or he plays his kick drum with one foot, which is impressive. 

I can feel a Coheed binge coming on now I've watched this.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

SoundscapeMN

yeah, great to see Josh on there..even doing some 3 tunes.

I'd love to see Dino Campanella from dredg or Darren King from Mutemath make an appearance on Drumeo.
"I have facility enough that I can throw down something, and play it, and play it correctly, and play it in time, but that doesn't make good records.  What makes good records for me, is when you capture a performance or you get some feeling that you get on tape and that you know you can't plan for it" -Kevin Gilbert

The Realm

Watched the video of Josh. What a great guy! Really enjoyed it and such an energetic and fun to watch drummer (never seen Coheed live before). He does have his own style.

A couple of the songs chosen to play aren't Coheed songs I enjoy that much, although Gravity's Union is one of my all time favourite songs from the band.

SoundscapeMN

Josh Eppard documentary coming

 "At the Cost of Everything - Josh Eppard's Story"

https://vimeo.com/985151196/bc27621625
"I have facility enough that I can throw down something, and play it, and play it correctly, and play it in time, but that doesn't make good records.  What makes good records for me, is when you capture a performance or you get some feeling that you get on tape and that you know you can't plan for it" -Kevin Gilbert

nick_z

Watched about half of the Drumeo video and it was fantastic. Love his drumming.

nick_z

Finished it last night and it was a blast...

Is anyone familiar with this Peacebomb (?) band he mentions?

Also cool that he's pimping Three  ;)

twosuitsluke

Quote from: nick_z on July 26, 2024, 04:53:26 AMFinished it last night and it was a blast...

Is anyone familiar with this Peacebomb (?) band he mentions?

Also cool that he's pimping Three  ;)
No, not familiar with them. Was that the band he said Portnoy chose to go on tour with Dream Theater? 
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Lonk

Quote from: twosuitsluke on July 26, 2024, 05:07:24 AMNo, not familiar with them. Was that the band he said Portnoy chose to go on tour with Dream Theater?
The band 3 is the one he mentioned with Portnoy.

https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCOXu_07olBMVFSzkIDgJo5g

I saw them opened for Coheed around 2012 and it was a great show.


nick_z

Quote from: Lonk on July 26, 2024, 05:12:20 AMThe band 3 is the one he mentioned with Portnoy.

https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCOXu_07olBMVFSzkIDgJo5g

I saw them opened for Coheed around 2012 and it was a great show.



Yep, exactly. Incidentally, Luke, if you don't know them you should absolutely check out their The End is Begun album, at least. Really cool and quirky prog (Joey Eppard, Josh's brother, sings and plays guitar)

twosuitsluke

I have listened to The End is Begun and Wake Pig, but neither really clicked with me. I'll go back and give them a try.

I swear at one point Josh mixes up who he said Portnoy wanted to take on tour, as he definitely does say 3 were invited, bit couldn't afford to be able to join them. But I swear at one point he was talking about Peacebomb going with them. It's more likely I was confused though.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Lonk

Quote from: twosuitsluke on July 26, 2024, 05:48:31 AMI have listened to The End is Begun and Wake Pig, but neither really clicked with me. I'll go back and give them a try.

I swear at one point Josh mixes up who he said Portnoy wanted to take on tour, as he definitely does say 3 were invited, bit couldn't afford to be able to join them. But I swear at one point he was talking about Peacebomb going with them. It's more likely I was confused though.
He mentioned that DT wanted to take them on the European tour as well, but couldn't afford it.

jammindude

Personally, I think Wake Pig is absolutely amazing, and TEHB was disappointingly spotty.

I thought The Ghost You Gave to Me was a big improvement, but no one ever seems to talk about that one.

Wake Pig is still the best of those three. I haven't heard the earlier albums.

nick_z

Quote from: jammindude on July 26, 2024, 06:03:27 AMPersonally, I think Wake Pig is absolutely amazing, and TEHB was disappointingly spotty.

I thought The Ghost You Gave to Me was a big improvement, but no one ever seems to talk about that one.

Wake Pig is still the best of those three. I haven't heard the earlier albums.

I have revisited TEHB recently and I found it even better than I remembered. I love the guitar playing on it.