Star Trek: The Next Threaderation

[Polarbear]

Voyager : " Parallax ".

Just started. I've seen a lot of episodes of VOY but never seen it all the way through.

I really like Voyager. The main problems are a good amount of awful episodes, and with rare exception, most of the crew has almost no major character development over the 7 years.

First 3 seasons of Voyager were pretty rough. There were a few great episodes, but not much. Scorpion part 1 and 2, was a real turning point for Voyager. After that things started to work pretty well for them.

[Kotowboy]

Funny every time an alien says " you have 3 hours to reply "...

Picard or Janeway or whoever should have replied - " Ok - 3 hours on which planet ? "

[El Barto]

I never considered any 1 season to be any better or worse than another. I still think it's the best pilot episode, and it sets everything up rolling nicely out of the gate. The problem with S1 and S2 were the Kazon, who just sucked.

[King Postwhore]

The reggae looking Klingons.

[El Barto]

It says something about them that the Borg bothered to assimilate Nelix's race but deemed the Kazon to be a sum negative.

[King Postwhore]

Man I forgot about that. Voyager is the one show I haven't rewarched.

[BlobVanDam]

Voyager : " Parallax ".

Just started. I've seen a lot of episodes of VOY but never seen it all the way through.

I really like Voyager. The main problems are a good amount of awful episodes, and with rare exception, most of the crew has almost no major character development over the 7 years.

First 3 seasons of Voyager were pretty rough. There were a few great episodes, but not much. Scorpion part 1 and 2, was a real turning point for Voyager. After that things started to work pretty well for them.

I mostly agree with that, although S3 was a noticeable step up from S1/2 imo once they ditched the Kazon. S4 was definitely the major turning point in the show though, with the addition of 7 of 9, and the switch to full CGI allowed them to focus on the kinds of stories they were best at.
S2 is the weakest for me. Despite misfiring on their premise, S1 was actually a solid season of standalone episodes. It was formulaic, but it mostly worked. Once they tried branching out in S2, they faltered, especially anything to do with the Kazon, who were about as threatening as the Ferengi. At least they figured out quicker than the Ferengi were useless as enemies.

It says something about them that the Borg bothered to assimilate Nelix's race but deemed the Kazon to be a sum negative.

I bet they were worried about the space-fro getting in the way of their Borg appliances.

[Kotowboy]

" The Cloud. "

What the FRICK was this episode about ?

INB4 about 50 minutes.

[Kotowboy]

why are the replicated beverages on the starships so damn tiny ?

I assume it's so the actors don't have to swig so much and it's easier for continuity etc.

But If I wanted a coffee and it was the size of a ramekin - i'd be annoyed. . .

[Orbert]

That's a real billboard, advertising a real healthcare company whose thing is their red shirts.  Find a RedShirt

[hefdaddy42]

lol

[Kotowboy]

Voyager : " Cathexis ".

Great episode. Has the feel of a movie. I love the mystery element.

[BlobVanDam]

So apparently Discovery will have a female lead (but not the captain), and be set 10 years before Kirk's 5 year mission.

[Adami]

So apparently Discovery will have a female lead (but not the captain), and be set 10 years before Kirk's 5 year mission.

So the lead isn't the captain? Or is it like a co-lead along with the captain?

And the timeline is meh, hopefully the show can still be good.

I guess people really just have a hard-on for TOS and have really just stopped caring about anything TNG or onward.

[BlobVanDam]

So apparently Discovery will have a female lead (but not the captain), and be set 10 years before Kirk's 5 year mission.

So the lead isn't the captain? Or is it like a co-lead along with the captain?

And the timeline is meh, hopefully the show can still be good.

I guess people really just have a hard-on for TOS and have really just stopped caring about anything TNG or onward.

It's somewhat cryptic, but apparently she has a different kind of dynamic with the crew (oh god please not a counselor)

https://nerdist.com/bryan-fuller-discusses-star-trek-discoverys-female-lead-setting-and-diversity/

I would have preferred to have it post-Nemesis, and just have her as the captain, without having to worry about remaining consistent with what some sexist old TV show said about there being no female captains at the time.

[Adami]

Wait, I'm confused.

So originally they were like PRIME UNIVERSE! and I was super excited.

Then they were like PROBABLY PREKIRK and I stopped being excited because....obviously it's prime universe if it's before the Kelvin universe started.

Now it's 10 years before? So the Kelvin timeline does exist at that point. Still prime universe though? Seems......odd.

[BlobVanDam]

Wait, I'm confused.

So originally they were like PRIME UNIVERSE! and I was super excited.

Then they were like PROBABLY PREKIRK and I stopped being excited because....obviously it's prime universe if it's before the Kelvin universe started.

Now it's 10 years before? So the Kelvin timeline does exist at that point. Still prime universe though? Seems......odd.

It is a little odd, although the Kelvin timeline still made retcons that apply pre-TOS, and even though we mostly assume the events were the same in both timelines prior to that, they were still established to us in the Prime Universe.

[Adami]

Wait, I'm confused.

So originally they were like PRIME UNIVERSE! and I was super excited.

Then they were like PROBABLY PREKIRK and I stopped being excited because....obviously it's prime universe if it's before the Kelvin universe started.

Now it's 10 years before? So the Kelvin timeline does exist at that point. Still prime universe though? Seems......odd.

It is a little odd, although the Kelvin timeline still made retcons that apply pre-TOS, and even though we mostly assume the events were the same in both timelines prior to that, they were still established to us in the Prime Universe.

Yea, the Kelvin timeline starts essentially at the birth of Kirk. So I assumed this would be set before that but after Enterprise, which technically would exist in both.

[BlobVanDam]

I personally don't like it being so close to the start of another series, especially TOS. It's going to have even more problems to contend with than ENT, and look how that turned out.
I expect this will be much better, but I just worry they'll be too confined in scope.

[Adami]

Is it still the plan to do a different cast/era ever season? Was that just a rumor? Has it been discussed? Mike Portnoy Jewish?

[BlobVanDam]

I think that one was specifically debunked.

[Adami]

Dammit, I was finally coming around to that idea.

Ah well, guess we're back to "TOS era only forever" mindset.

[BlobVanDam]

Maybe they're trying to capitalize on the movies renewed interest in the TOS era? I don't know whether it was CBS's decision from the start to set it near TOS or the people working on the show.

[Adami]

We're definitely going to be stuck in TOS basic time era for the foreseeable future.

A real shame considering the best Trek took place over 100 years after.

[soupytwist]

So apparently Discovery will have a female lead (but not the captain), and be set 10 years before Kirk's 5 year mission.

Odd decision.  Should have taken place sometime after the TNG/DS9/Voyager timeline.  They can't do anything much dramatic with the universe when we know what shape it will take in 10 years time, and also 100 years after that.  Set it after the last time period we've seen and you have a fresh page to start again - want to destroy the federation, do it.  Want the Borg to assimilate the entire Ferengi race, do it.  Want to introduce a proper Vulcan vs Romulan war, do it.  Want to introduce a new alien threat, do it.

Just feels like there is only so much they can do or tell when we already know how the future pans out - unless they create a third timeline.

[El Barto]

But the springboard for the series is an incident from the series’ past.

“There’s been a few rumors going around about [when] the show is set,” explained Fuller. “One of the things that was very exciting to me as a Star Trek fan was… There had been an incident, an event in Star Trek history and the history of Starfleet that had been talked about but never fully explored.

Figure out the incident and you have all the answers. The Talos IV thing is the obvious guess, but I'm not sure how that ties in. Plus, he suggests that it was merely talked about, and rules out the Romulan war. As for the timeline, The Cage took place 11 years before TOS, so we should be running parallel to that.

And focusing on a crew-member instead of the captain is actually not a bad idea. Hell, make her a redshirt. Lower Decks and the dynamic between the minions and the ranking officers was an interesting one.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah just show the bridge and bridge officers fleetingly.

Make it like you're a lowly crewmember who never gets to see the bridge.

Just roaming the halls, doing day to day stuff etc.


I wonder what Lt. Cmdr " with caveats " means...

[hefdaddy42]

Also, it won't be "adventure of the week" as with most ST shows, but rather a 13-part story, like most newer shows.

Yeah, the time period frustrates me a little, especially with a title like Discovery, but the fact that the protagonist won't be a ship's captain is intriguing.

[Kotowboy]

Set it 10 years before the Enterprise but set it several light years away.

TOS was basically Kirk's corner of the universe.

[Kotowboy]

I feel awful about this...

Neelix - this wasn't your fault...The important thing is that we found the source...


  GET THIS CHEESE TO SICK BAY!!





Hahaha.

[Kotowboy]

VOY : " Initiations ".

What's the point in casting an actor to play basically the exact same character ?

That Kazon character Kar could not be any more Nog if he tried. He's just as f---ing annoying.

[Kotowboy]

" Elogium "

People in movies eating bugs. 

Cannot watch. 


ARGH FUCK - Kes eating apples whilst talking. SLURP SMACK CHEW SLURP .



Had to skip that episode.

[Kotowboy]

The thing that annoys me about Trek is that they can't just say " he's got flu " or " please get me an apple "

It has to be " He's got [INSERT PLANET HERE] flu "

or

" Please get me a [INSERT PLANET HERE] apple. "

[abydos]

I'm more annoyed that 500 years from now or however long it is they figured out interstellar travel, teleportation and all that cool shit but still can't deal with the flu.

[BlobVanDam]

The thing that annoys me about Trek is that they can't just say " he's got flu " or " please get me an apple "

It has to be " He's got [INSERT PLANET HERE] flu "

or

" Please get me a [INSERT PLANET HERE] apple. "

Flu is a basic translation for a common but different illness on the planet. I'm not seeing the problem, aside from a lack of creativity in naming things. But it's easier than saying "He has blelgogeeegoelbebkelj which is sort of like our flu but not our flu so it would be silly to call it the flu".

And I hear that Andorian apples are the tastiest.