New DT Live Album/DVD?

[WildeSilas]

Be careful me7. DTF's satire detector is the cheap-o Wal-Mart brand.

I've had my Great Value satire detector for 10 years and it still works just fine.

I've noticed that about you, Zook - and I appreciate it. I've been banned and "watched" for making obvious jokes where folks tend to read the first line and freak out. I've just learned to only post when it's Serious Business.

[robwebster]

Pretty sure John Petrucci already confirmed NA when they announced the leg, didn't he?

[Shadow2222]

Hmm... Anyone that watched the Vokle chat care to confirm? The last post in the Vokle thread says that he did not say anything about a SA tour.

[jonny108]

I asked Jordan about the new album. He said after the NA tour, they are going to SA then writing the album.

[Shadow2222]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

in the US, God's country.

[BlobVanDam]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

[ResultsMayVary]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

in the US, God's country.

[bosk1]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

I hope the opposite, actually.  I get what you are saying about the crowds, and I agree.  But to me, I think that is outweighed by the fact that you get the "A-rig" in North America, so you have a better looking production and better show.  And I don't get the "they've done enough DVD's in X country" argument.  That makes no sense to me at all.  I don't consciously (or unconsciously) really even think about what country a band is in when I am watching a concert DVD.  I only care about whether it is a good show or not.

[TAC]

^
I agree.

[YtseCullen]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

I hope the opposite, actually.  I get what you are saying about the crowds, and I agree.  But to me, I think that is outweighed by the fact that you get the "A-rig" in North America, so you have a better looking production and better show.  And I don't get the "they've done enough DVD's in X country" argument.  That makes no sense to me at all.  I don't consciously (or unconsciously) really even think about what country a band is in when I am watching a concert DVD.  I only care about whether it is a good show or not.

Have to agree with Bosk on this one! Although it is nice to have an energetic crowd! It's also nice too see a great production and great set of songs. Thats what I care about.

[BlobVanDam]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

I hope the opposite, actually.  I get what you are saying about the crowds, and I agree.  But to me, I think that is outweighed by the fact that you get the "A-rig" in North America, so you have a better looking production and better show.  And I don't get the "they've done enough DVD's in X country" argument.  That makes no sense to me at all.  I don't consciously (or unconsciously) really even think about what country a band is in when I am watching a concert DVD.  I only care about whether it is a good show or not.

Good point with the production. The 3 screen set-up is very cool, and I'd love to see it documented. But the atmosphere of a South American crowd would also add a lot. Even with the lower quality of the Santiago bootleg, the atmosphere of that show is untouchable compared to any official DT release. The show has a hugely better feel than Score imo, which feels a bit flat to me, despite the flawless performance.

I can definitely see the argument for both, given your points, although I think I would still prefer a SA show, all things considered. But I can't blame you at all for feeling the opposite here. Just a matter of personal preference, I'd say.

[KevShmev]

I can see both sides. 

On the one hand, I don't think repeatedly doing concert DVDs from the same country is a big deal.

On the other hand, energetic crowds can make a concert and a live DVD that much more awesome, and given how loud and energetic South American crowds always over, I can't help but wonder how awesome a live DVD would be from a show down there. 

[ResultsMayVary]

I can see both sides. 

On the one hand, I don't think repeatedly doing concert DVDs from the same country is a big deal.

On the other hand, energetic crowds can make a concert and a live DVD that much more awesome, and given how loud and energetic South American crowds always over, I can't help but wonder how awesome a live DVD would be from a show down there.

As long as I can hear the band playing over the crowd, I'm perfectly happy with a South American show being filmed for a DVD.

[Setlist Scotty]

Totally agree - the SA crowds are far more energetic, but if you want the full production (as I would), then they'd be better off to film in NA. Another thing to consider is the costs - I would imagine that it would be cheaper to film in NA than SA just because of all the extra equipment they'd probably have to fly in. So my guess is that the show(s) will be filmed in NA.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

If the production is really going to be better in NA, then I'd rather have it done there. 

[gmillerdrake]

I'm sure this question has been asked....maybe answered but I don't want to sift through the pages so.......Has it been revealed if the DVD is going to be a single venue or a compilation of different venues? I'm hoping for the single venue and thinking that's what they'll do but I wasn't sure if that has been verified or not.

[BlobVanDam]

Totally agree - the SA crowds are far more energetic, but if you want the full production (as I would), then they'd be better off to film in NA. Another thing to consider is the costs - I would imagine that it would be cheaper to film in NA than SA just because of all the extra equipment they'd probably have to fly in. So my guess is that the show(s) will be filmed in NA.

Logistically speaking, it's a no brainer. No doubt it would be cheaper and simpler to do it in NA. Just wishful thinking on my behalf that I could have my cake and eat it too (not that I've ever understood the appeal of having cake at all, if not to eat it)

[lyfeternl]

I'm sure this question has been asked....maybe answered but I don't want to sift through the pages so.......Has it been revealed if the DVD is going to be a single venue or a compilation of different venues? I'm hoping for the single venue and thinking that's what they'll do but I wasn't sure if that has been verified or not.

I'm really thinking it'll be from one show given that it is a (relatively) locked in set that they'll be playing during this leg. Also, if they've sat down and watched Budokan and Score, they'll realize that capturing one show is more professional.

[gmillerdrake]

I'm sure this question has been asked....maybe answered but I don't want to sift through the pages so.......Has it been revealed if the DVD is going to be a single venue or a compilation of different venues? I'm hoping for the single venue and thinking that's what they'll do but I wasn't sure if that has been verified or not.

I'm really thinking it'll be from one show given that it is a (relatively) locked in set that they'll be playing during this leg. Also, if they've sat down and watched Budokan and Score, they're release that capturing one show is more professional.

I agree. It makes sense to do a single venue....especially for DT. Budakon is just AMAZING..(not that SCORE isn't)..in fact, I watched that DVD with a buddy of mine who had never heard a note of DT and he was floored....just ticked that he had never heard of them before. He is now just as addicted to them as the rest of us.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

I hope the opposite, actually.  I get what you are saying about the crowds, and I agree.  But to me, I think that is outweighed by the fact that you get the "A-rig" in North America, so you have a better looking production and better show.  And I don't get the "they've done enough DVD's in X country" argument.  That makes no sense to me at all.  I don't consciously (or unconsciously) really even think about what country a band is in when I am watching a concert DVD.  I only care about whether it is a good show or not.

I agree with you Bosk, but no matter what country they film it in, wouldn't they make the effort of transporting the ENTIRE stage-show rig to give the DVD the proper feel of the tour? I'd say yes.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Well, now that that is officially confirmed - Where do you guys think the DVD will be filmed, in North America, or South America?

I really really really hope in South America. They have the best crowds, and DT have already done enough DVDs in the US......

I hope the opposite, actually.  I get what you are saying about the crowds, and I agree.  But to me, I think that is outweighed by the fact that you get the "A-rig" in North America, so you have a better looking production and better show.  And I don't get the "they've done enough DVD's in X country" argument.  That makes no sense to me at all.  I don't consciously (or unconsciously) really even think about what country a band is in when I am watching a concert DVD.  I only care about whether it is a good show or not.

Sorry, but that's not the case anymore. Mexico (the show I went to) and Asia got A-rigs this time around, as opposed to past tours in which these countries got the B-rigs. Production is not an issue anymore.

[cramx3]

Just because Asia and Mexico got a rigs doesn't mean south America will. Its not a dt thing either, a lot of bands can't get their full set in south America. I would think an a rig south American show would make for an awesome DVD but I don't understand why this is even being considered when the band said they are filming on the NA leg.

[TAC]

The Ytsejam Santiago release is one of my all time favorite concert DVDs.

With the small rig they had set up, it looked like a modern day Song Remains The Same!

[Setlist Scotty]

I'm sure this question has been asked....maybe answered but I don't want to sift through the pages so.......Has it been revealed if the DVD is going to be a single venue or a compilation of different venues? I'm hoping for the single venue and thinking that's what they'll do but I wasn't sure if that has been verified or not.

I'm really thinking it'll be from one show given that it is a (relatively) locked in set that they'll be playing during this leg. Also, if they've sat down and watched Budokan and Score, they're release that capturing one show is more professional.

I agree. It makes sense to do a single venue....especially for DT. Budakon is just AMAZING..(not that SCORE isn't)..in fact, I watched that DVD with a buddy of mine who had never heard a note of DT and he was floored....just ticked that he had never heard of them before. He is now just as addicted to them as the rest of us.

I think what you said is key: single *venue*  Considering that they're doing 2 shows in New York and that's their hometown, it stands to reason they'd probably do the shoot there at both shows, whether they switch up the setlist at all (hopefully) or not. Time will tell, but that's what I'd expect, as it gives the benefit of filming multiple nights (so as to get the best performances) without the hassle of setting up all the extra equipment at multiple venues.

I agree with you Bosk, but no matter what country they film it in, wouldn't they make the effort of transporting the ENTIRE stage-show rig to give the DVD the proper feel of the tour? I'd say yes.

One would assume so, but if it were cost prohibitive, then maybe not. But that would also be the same reason why I would question them planning to film in SA in the first place - if the budget is that tight to begin with, when you add on all the additional expenses of flying down (or even renting from there) equipment to film the show, besides whatever additional fees would be added on, the band would be lucky to break even, let alone make money. Tho artistically driven, DT is a business, so I doubt that they would purposefully plan to do that.

Sorry, but that's not the case anymore. Mexico (the show I went to) and Asia got A-rigs this time around, as opposed to past tours in which these countries got the B-rigs. Production is not an issue anymore.

AFAIK, most of the Asian shows (specifically Japan and South Korea) always got the full A-rig. As for Mexico, I can't say either way, but if that is the case (that Mexico got the B-rig in the past and A-rig lately), it doesn't mean that the band is gonna automatically take the A-rig with them to SA. To travel to Mexico for 2 or 3 shows with your A-rig when attached to a NA tour is far different from doing a completely separate tour leg just in SA.

[bosk1]

I'm sure this question has been asked....maybe answered but I don't want to sift through the pages so.......Has it been revealed if the DVD is going to be a single venue or a compilation of different venues? I'm hoping for the single venue and thinking that's what they'll do but I wasn't sure if that has been verified or not.

I'm really thinking it'll be from one show given that it is a (relatively) locked in set that they'll be playing during this leg. Also, if they've sat down and watched Budokan and Score, they're release that capturing one show is more professional.

I agree. It makes sense to do a single venue....especially for DT. Budakon is just AMAZING..(not that SCORE isn't)..in fact, I watched that DVD with a buddy of mine who had never heard a note of DT and he was floored....just ticked that he had never heard of them before. He is now just as addicted to them as the rest of us.

I think what you said is key: single *venue*  Considering that they're doing 2 shows in New York and that's their hometown, it stands to reason they'd probably do the shoot there at both shows, whether they switch up the setlist at all (hopefully) or not. Time will tell, but that's what I'd expect, as it gives the benefit of filming multiple nights (so as to get the best performances) without the hassle of setting up all the extra equipment at multiple venues.

When I heard about the couple of shows where they are playing multiple dates at the same venue, I was thinking that they might likely do something similar to what Queensryche did with the Live Evolution shoots where they have a standard 2/3-3/4 of a set core that they play both nights, and then 1/4-1/3 of the sets that are different.  And then for the DVD, include one version of every song that was played.  To me, that is a logical approach.

[SeRoX]

As for the production and crowd discussion;

Man, it's a fucking DVD you can't get everytime. So I want it to be the best with great production, I don't care the crowd's squeals or hands clapping while watching it. 

[bosk1]

As for the production and crowd discussion;

Man, it's a fucking DVD you can't get everytime. So I want it to be the best with great production, I don't care the crowd's squeals or hands clapping while watching it. 

+1. 

It appears we are a match.  Perhaps Eric, H, you, and I should get together sometime. 

[SeRoX]

Well, an orgy offer can not be rejected. If you know what I mean.   

[BlobVanDam]

When I heard about the couple of shows where they are playing multiple dates at the same venue, I was thinking that they might likely do something similar to what Queensryche did with the Live Evolution shoots where they have a standard 2/3-3/4 of a set core that they play both nights, and then 1/4-1/3 of the sets that are different.  And then for the DVD, include one version of every song that was played.  To me, that is a logical approach.

That seems like the most logical approach to get a full "evening with" DVD length out of two regular length shows, and being the same venue, it could cut together fairly seamlessly.

[lyfeternl]

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I'll be disappointed if they splice together songs from different nights even if it's at the venue. Of course, I should still keep my mind open enough to allow it to be blown by an awesome performance as a whole.

I suppose I have always looked at a live DVD/Blu-ray as a way to feel as if you were there. It's hard to capture that feeling when songs are pieced together from different nights.

[cramx3]

If they do it right, it would be very hard to tell that two shows were merged into one. Blind Guardian did this and i had no idea until I read the notes on the DVD that it was filmed over two nights.

[ZirconBlue]

If they do it right, it would be very hard to tell that two shows were merged into one. Blind Guardian did this and i had no idea until I read the notes on the DVD that it was filmed over two nights.

Indeed, 2 classic live albums Queensryche's Operation LiveCrime, and Iron Maiden's Live After Death, were recorded over multiple nights, and I don't think either is weaker for having done so.

[bosk1]

Oh, wow.  I never realized Livecrime was filmed from separate shows. 

[TAC]

If they do it right, it would be very hard to tell that two shows were merged into one. Blind Guardian did this and i had no idea until I read the notes on the DVD that it was filmed over two nights.

Indeed, 2 classic live albums Queensryche's Operation LiveCrime, and Iron Maiden's Live After Death, were recorded over multiple nights, and I don't think either is weaker for having done so.

Ditto for Iced Earth's Alive In Athens.