New DT Live Album/DVD?

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I would like something like Budokan with footage from tour

Agree. They should look back at Budokan, which is their best DVD in terms of production IMO.

[Tomislav95]

Today, I was listening to audio bootleg from Nagoya. Performance was great and I think I have new favorite bootleg. Although I think James had cold, he nailed everything. I would like that good JLB on new DVD.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Care sharing a link for that bootleg? 

[TheOutlawXanadu]

If the band records a live performance you can be certain they will use some kind of technology to make sure James sounds perfect.

[Tomislav95]

Care sharing a link for that bootleg? 

I downloaded it from Dimeadozen. I can upload it but it's about 850mb big so it will take about 4 hours. If you want I can share you link for 128 kbps audio while you wait for flac.

[Tomislav95]

If the band records a live performance you can be certain they will use some kind of technology to make sure James sounds perfect.

I would like real live rather than that.

[Shadow2222]

If the band records a live performance you can be certain they will use some kind of technology to make sure James sounds perfect.

I would like real live rather than that.

Before Chaos in Motion, I would have said "No! James isn't the best singer, but he is good enough live." Now I almost wish they would have overdubbed on CiM.

Legitimately, he is singing much better on this tour, but it still isn't up to snuff with L@B or Score vocals. If he can pull similar vocals off for this upcoming DVD, then great, leave it truly live. If not, adjust or overdub (just not to a ridiculous degree).

As much as I love the "real" aspect of DT, in that they don't fake their live performances, I don't want to be cringing through (for example) Another Day's high section, or Learning to Live's high note on the upcoming DVD if they were to play them.

[wasteland]

If the band records a live performance you can be certain they will use some kind of technology to make sure James sounds perfect.

I would like real live rather than that.

Before Chaos in Motion, I would have said "No! James isn't the best singer, but he is good enough live." Now I almost wish they would have overdubbed on CiM.

Legitimately, he is singing much better on this tour, but it still isn't up to snuff with L@B or Score vocals. If he can pull similar vocals off for this upcoming DVD, then great, leave it truly live. If not, adjust or overdub (just not to a ridiculous degree).

As much as I love the "real" aspect of DT, in that they don't fake their live performances, I don't want to be cringing through (for example) Another Day's high section, or Learning to Live's high note on the upcoming DVD if they were to play them.

I disagree. James's vocals on this current tour are much better than his average during the 04 and 05/06 tours.

[Setlist Scotty]

But then - if you're a fan - you don't go to hear 14 B Sides and Covers - You go to hear the hits.

Beg to differ with you on that BIG time. If I am a fan, I want a well rounded setlist that contains a bit of everything - maybe one or two popular favorites but typically a lot more of the deeper catalog, be it rarely played songs, B-sides or reinterpretations/heavily altered versions of songs; also I like when a band includes a cover or two if well done or if done as a special performance (like what DT did in the past), especially if it is NOT on an album (and therefore a treat only for concert going fans). This goes for pretty much any band I would consider myself a "fan" of.

Case in point - I would have loved to have seen Iron Maiden when they did their Somewhere Back in Time tour a couple years ago, but I didn't bother going because of the fact that roughly half the setlist was the same set of songs they play at every show. Even the "deep" cuts were extremely few and far between. Keep in mind, I've only seen them once, but their mentality to always play the hits was a HUGE turn off to me and therefore why I didn't see them on that tour, nor will I probably ever see them again.

MP relased it because of JLB's bad performance

I hope that was a joke, because that's just plain ridiculous.

Agreed - one of the most stupid ASSumptions out there. Anyway, as Blob said, by and large the choice of the performance came down to what video footage was available, and I'm guessing that MP wanted to include as many shows as he could.

Regarding the story behind Blind Faith and Surrounded being different on the CD than DVD, here's what MP told me in an interview:

MP: Putting together that set, I had based the song picks on the video footage I had. I looked at what was best represented on video and I picked the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. I had my list of all the videos that were being edited for the video and I sent Kevin Shirley the list of what to mix the audio from. And he mixed what we thought was the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. We synced it back up to the video, only to find out that it was from a completely different show – somebody sent him the wrong tapes, and we couldn't find the Toronto audio. So the audio for Toronto was missing and here we were with this mixed audio of Blind Faith and Surrounded, and we had no idea what show it was even from. So even to this day, I have no idea of what show those specific performances are from. But we already had the video edited and so it was either cut the songs – which I didn't want to do for the video – or we just go with the live audio mix for the video and we'll use these mixes for the CD.

SH: The reason why I was asking was because I was thinking "if you're picking out different performances for those songs, why didn't you go ahead and hand pick each song for the CD as opposed to the DVD?"

MP: No – it was a total mystery. The Toronto tapes were missing, Kevin Shirley mixed the show, we lined it up, and I was like "why isn't this matching?" We were trying to move the video and ultimately found out that it was a completely different show.

[Shadow2222]

I disagree. James's vocals on this current tour are much better than his average during the 04 and 05/06 tours.

Actually, I do agree that the average performance on the 8VM tour was not nearly as good as what he pulled out for Score, nor as good as his average performance on this tour. What I was saying was that I want the DVD vocal performance to sound as good as Score. I'm crossing my fingers that he blows us all away, and doesn't have any reason to do anything other than minor overdubs.

[The Letter M]

So no one even knows what show BF/S were from on CIM's CD set?!

I'm sure if there are tons of bootlegs out there, someone HAS to know/be able to find out what show those two came from.

-Marc.

[wasteland]

So no one even knows what show BF/S were from on CIM's CD set?!

I'm sure if there are tons of bootlegs out there, someone HAS to know/be able to find out what show those two came from.

-Marc.

I hate CiM bootlegs, and actively try NOT to collect them 

[SystematicThought]

I hope that was a joke, because that's just plain ridiculous.

I do find it sad though that, in my opinion, it's not out of the realm of belief that MP would choose performances of JLB that were bad and officially releasing them. Especially with the interviews MP gave back in June/July/August of 2010.

Again, just my opinion

[KevShmev]

It probably would have been best to just not release a live DVD from the CIM tour if the footage they had wasn't up to par.  I mean, it's not like they had to release a live DVD from that tour.  Why not wait till the next tour and hope you get good footage and performances out of everyone, instead of releasing one with tons of subpar JLB performances?

[BlobVanDam]

I hope that was a joke, because that's just plain ridiculous.

I do find it sad though that, in my opinion, it's not out of the realm of belief that MP would choose performances of JLB that were bad and officially releasing them. Especially with the interviews MP gave back in June/July/August of 2010.

Again, just my opinion

It is sad, because it's imo a completely baseless opinion, and a general trend I see too much of around here where MP is concerned, to make him out to be the bad guy at any cost even where there's no proof at all.

And that's just my opinion.

[SystematicThought]

I'm not trying to make MP sound like a bad guy. It's just that he and JLB have had a rocky relationship in the past and in the end, MP was saying in interviews that JLB's voice wasn't his style anymore and that if he had a chance to pick a different person to fill Dominici's spot, he would. I'll try to find the interview where that's hinted at.

[robwebster]

Granted, but I don't think to the extent that he'd deliberately sabotage his own band's live album to make a point. He's just not that much of a psychopath.

[SystematicThought]

Right, and I am sorry if I sounded like I was stating this as a fact. I know he didn't do it on purpose, just nothing would surprise me anymore

[KevShmev]

Well, in all fairness, even though I doubt Portnoy picked those performances on purpose just to make JLB look bad, there is something to be said about him taking a large share of the blame for poor performances being on there.  It's the old adage of, if you are gonna give someone all of the credit when things go really good (which many always did with Portnoy since he had so much control), then they have to get all of the blame when things go bad, right?  You can't have it one way and not the other.  And to that point, while he might have only had so much to work with, then it is his fault for deciding to releasing a live DVD when he knew he didn't have a lot of great footage to pick from.  Like I said, if he gets all of the credit for Budokan turning out so good for example, then he gets all of the blame for Chaos in Motion not turning out so good.

And that was a beef I always had with Portnoy.  He was always willing to pat himself on the back for all of the good, but whenever something didn't go quite right, it was always the fault of someone else.  He would cop that "I always get blamed for everything" attitude.  Well, if you are taking all or most of the credit when things are going good, then you have to take all or most of the blame when they are not.

[BlobVanDam]

Granted, but I don't think to the extent that he'd deliberately sabotage his own band's live album to make a point. He's just not that much of a psychopath.

Exactly. It's a huge leap from "MP would rather a singer of a different style" to "MP intentionally sabotages JLB to make him look bad". JLB sounds bad on CiM, so it's MP's fault? Garbage. To play devil's advocate here, there would be nothing to sabotage had JLB sung consistently for those shows. JLB was obviously just having a dud patch. With a grueling schedule like DT have, it happens. You can't pin that on MP. For all you know, he wasn't any better in any of the other footage.
Even many of the recent official bootlegs have rerecorded JLB vocals, so obviously MP didn't want JLB to look bad. But if JLB sings an off show, it takes time and money to fix, and clearly that DVD just didn't have the same production value as a big show like Score (where JLB happened to sing a lot better in the first place).
Without even knowing what the alternative audio sounded like, this is just baseless negative speculation.

I'm typing on an iPod here so that's probably a wall of text. Sorry about that!

[Onno]

I hope that was a joke, because that's just plain ridiculous.

I do find it sad though that, in my opinion, it's not out of the realm of belief that MP would choose performances of JLB that were bad and officially releasing them. Especially with the interviews MP gave back in June/July/August of 2010.

Again, just my opinion

It is sad, because it's imo a completely baseless opinion, and a general trend I see too much of around here where MP is concerned, to make him out to be the bad guy at any cost even where there's no proof at all.

And that's just my opinion.

Agreed.

[SystematicThought]

Sorry for sparking that debate. It's just something I felt, and I was going through the interviews again and I felt bad for JLB.


Anyways, I was just listening to CiM and it does have some great moments from everyone. The bootleg feel to it though isn't my thing. Although the documentary was great and is something I would love to see on the next DVD, in that style of documentary

[me7]

The conspiracy is way bigger than you guys think. I believe that JLB deliberately sung bad during the CiM recordings to make MP look like an incompetent DVD producer. It was all part of his plan to force MP out of the band. That his voice sounds better on the CD version proves my theory. He wanted to force JM to tell lies about MP, but JM took a vow of silence instead for he would rather never speak again than to take part in JLB evil scheme. The true reason why JP goes to the gym is because he is afraid - now that MP is gone, he'll be next.
This is why JR calls him pirate, because he's ruthless, cruel and out of control 

[ResultsMayVary]

The conspiracy is way bigger than you guys think. I believe that JLB deliberately sung bad during the CiM recordings to make MP look like an incompetent DVD producer. It was all part of his plan to force MP out of the band. That his voice sounds better on the CD version proves my theory. He wanted to force JM to tell lies about MP, but JM took a vow of silence instead for he would rather never speak again than to take part in JLB evil scheme. The true reason why JP goes to the gym is because he is afraid - now that MP is gone, he'll be next.
This is why JR calls him pirate, because he's ruthless, cruel and out of control 

HAHAHA. Really?

[Tis BOOLsheet]

The conspiracy is way bigger than you guys think. I believe that JLB deliberately sung bad during the CiM recordings to make MP look like an incompetent DVD producer. It was all part of his plan to force MP out of the band. That his voice sounds better on the CD version proves my theory. He wanted to force JM to tell lies about MP, but JM took a vow of silence instead for he would rather never speak again than to take part in JLB evil scheme. The true reason why JP goes to the gym is because he is afraid - now that MP is gone, he'll be next.
This is why JR calls him pirate, because he's ruthless, cruel and out of control 

[WildeSilas]

Be careful me7. DTF's satire detector is the cheap-o Wal-Mart brand.

[Mladen]

The conspiracy is way bigger than you guys think. I believe that JLB deliberately sung bad during the CiM recordings to make MP look like an incompetent DVD producer. It was all part of his plan to force MP out of the band. That his voice sounds better on the CD version proves my theory. He wanted to force JM to tell lies about MP, but JM took a vow of silence instead for he would rather never speak again than to take part in JLB evil scheme. The true reason why JP goes to the gym is because he is afraid - now that MP is gone, he'll be next.
This is why JR calls him pirate, because he's ruthless, cruel and out of control 

HAHAHA. Really?

How about reading the entire post? It's one of the funniest things I've ever read here. 

[cramx3]

The conspiracy is way bigger than you guys think. I believe that JLB deliberately sung bad during the CiM recordings to make MP look like an incompetent DVD producer. It was all part of his plan to force MP out of the band. That his voice sounds better on the CD version proves my theory. He wanted to force JM to tell lies about MP, but JM took a vow of silence instead for he would rather never speak again than to take part in JLB evil scheme. The true reason why JP goes to the gym is because he is afraid - now that MP is gone, he'll be next.
This is why JR calls him pirate, because he's ruthless, cruel and out of control 

HAHAHA. Really?

I guess the rest of the band is soon to be raped and pillaged.

[Zook]

Be careful me7. DTF's satire detector is the cheap-o Wal-Mart brand.

I've had my Great Value satire detector for 10 years and it still works just fine.

[TAC]

I disagree. James's vocals on this current tour are much better than his average during the 04 and 05/06 tours.

Really?? I don't know If I can agree there. Last summer he was great, and the 1st NA from what I've heard was pretty good, but the 2nd swing through Anaheim/San Diego, as well as some of the European shows were not great. I will say, though,  that he does sound pretty good on the Nagoya boot!
Some of those '05 shows were some of his strongest.

MP: Putting together that set, I had based the song picks on the video footage I had. I looked at what was best represented on video and I picked the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. I had my list of all the videos that were being edited for the video and I sent Kevin Shirley the list of what to mix the audio from. And he mixed what we thought was the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. We synced it back up to the video, only to find out that it was from a completely different show – somebody sent him the wrong tapes, and we couldn’t find the Toronto audio. So the audio for Toronto was missing and here we were with this mixed audio of Blind Faith and Surrounded, and we had no idea what show it was even from. So even to this day, I have no idea of what show those specific performances are from. But we already had the video edited and so it was either cut the songs – which I didn’t want to do for the video – or we just go with the live audio mix for the video and we’ll use these mixes for the CD.

SH: The reason why I was asking was because I was thinking “if you’re picking out different performances for those songs, why didn’t you go ahead and hand pick each song for the CD as opposed to the DVD?”

MP: No – it was a total mystery. The Toronto tapes were missing, Kevin Shirley mixed the show, we lined it up, and I was like “why isn’t this matching?” We were trying to move the video and ultimately found out that it was a completely different show.

Wow, thanks for sharing that. That's very interesting!

[ZirconBlue]

Before Chaos in Motion, I would have said "No! James isn't the best singer, but he is good enough live." Now I almost wish they would have overdubbed on CiM.

Legitimately, he is singing much better on this tour, but it still isn't up to snuff with L@B or Score vocals. If he can pull similar vocals off for this upcoming DVD, then great, leave it truly live. If not, adjust or overdub (just not to a ridiculous degree).

As much as I love the "real" aspect of DT, in that they don't fake their live performances, I don't want to be cringing through (for example) Another Day's high section, or Learning to Live's high note on the upcoming DVD if they were to play them.

There's something very odd about JLB's vocals on CiM.  It doesn't sound like "James had a bad night", rather it almost sounds like a very weird, unpleasant digital effect added to his vocals.  Maybe he was way out of tune, so they used some heavy-handed autotune or something.  Regardless, I'd rather have overdubs than what we got.

[wasteland]

I disagree. James's vocals on this current tour are much better than his average during the 04 and 05/06 tours.

Really?? I don't know If I can agree there. Last summer he was great, and the 1st NA from what I've heard was pretty good, but the 2nd swing through Anaheim/San Diego, as well as some of the European shows were not great. I will say, though,  that he does sound pretty good on the Nagoya boot!
Some of those '05 shows were some of his strongest.

Wow, it seems that we're pretty much on the opposite sides of the fence on this topic! I didn't like his performances on the summer tour, nor did I really enjoy his singing in the first part of the NA leg. From december onwards I think he really got stronger and stronger as the tour progressed. His best performances this year are probably (in order): Paris, London and Milan. Do you have these bootlegs?

[SeRoX]

Before Chaos in Motion, I would have said "No! James isn't the best singer, but he is good enough live." Now I almost wish they would have overdubbed on CiM.

Legitimately, he is singing much better on this tour, but it still isn't up to snuff with L@B or Score vocals. If he can pull similar vocals off for this upcoming DVD, then great, leave it truly live. If not, adjust or overdub (just not to a ridiculous degree).

As much as I love the "real" aspect of DT, in that they don't fake their live performances, I don't want to be cringing through (for example) Another Day's high section, or Learning to Live's high note on the upcoming DVD if they were to play them.

There's something very odd about JLB's vocals on CiM.  It doesn't sound like "James had a bad night", rather it almost sounds like a very weird, unpleasant digital effect added to his vocals.  Maybe he was way out of tune, so they used some heavy-handed autotune or something.  Regardless, I'd rather have overdubs than what we got.

That's what I feel as well. I know when he sounds bad and it doesn't sound like "bad" on CiM. It's something else, can not explain though what it is.

[TAC]

I disagree. James's vocals on this current tour are much better than his average during the 04 and 05/06 tours.

Really?? I don't know If I can agree there. Last summer he was great, and the 1st NA from what I've heard was pretty good, but the 2nd swing through Anaheim/San Diego, as well as some of the European shows were not great. I will say, though,  that he does sound pretty good on the Nagoya boot!
Some of those '05 shows were some of his strongest.

Wow, it seems that we're pretty much on the opposite sides of the fence on this topic! I didn't like his performances on the summer tour, nor did I really enjoy his singing in the first part of the NA leg. From december onwards I think he really got stronger and stronger as the tour progressed. His best performances this year are probably (in order): Paris, London and Milan. Do you have these bootlegs?

I did DL your Milan show, but I haven't listened to it yet. I don't have Paris/London. I DL'd Copenhagen, but haven't grabbed any of the other Euro shows other than GDT's Zwolle. I will DL from Dime some of the other Euro shows based on what you say. Currently grabbing Glasgow & Manchester.

[cyberdrummer]

Now Jordan has confirmed there will be a South American leg (see the Vokle thread), I think it must be the most likely setting for a dvd.