DT's New Drummer (merged thread)

[tri.ad]

The only issue with Charlie Zeleny would be his age; from what I can tell, he seems to be about 15 years younger than JP and JM. But judging from his skills, his location and his connections with JR, he might well be one of the seven drummers being auditioned.

[7StringedBeast]

I don't think him being younger would be any issue for the band.  Maybe for him personally?  But I mean, if he enjoys playing DT music enough to make those vids, I'm sure he would love a chance to really play for the band regardless of age difference.

[ReaPsTA]

Somehow I don't think Jarzombek is even one of the seven.
I'd love him to be DT's new drummer, don't get me wrong, but is there any evidence at all that one of the DT guys even know of him? Let alone know him?

I'd guarantee DT has thought about whether or not to audition everyone in this thread.

[MykeHavoc]

I doubt the age thing would be that much of an issue. It would be rather fitting that Mike joins a band with guys half his age and his DT replacement is about the same age as them

[rumborak]

Did I mention that I would show up at every single show with this drummer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmYoldGl9Y8

rumborak

[tri.ad]

I don't think him being younger would be any issue for the band.  Maybe for him personally?  But I mean, if he enjoys playing DT music enough to make those vids, I'm sure he would love a chance to really play for the band regardless of age difference.

Well, as you get older, age differences are becoming less and less of an issue, so I can see what you mean. I just want to remind you that CD is sixteen years older than the rest of DT, and it certainly was an issue in 1989 (apart from his voice not being right for DT and stuff), so I can imagine Charlie Zeleny - or the other guys in DT, for that matter - feeling maybe a little bit uncomfortable because of it.

But if it isn't an issue, great.

[darkshade]

The only issue with Charlie Zeleny would be his age; from what I can tell, he seems to be about 15 years younger than JP and JM. But judging from his skills, his location and his connections with JR, he might well be one of the seven drummers being auditioned.

and he looks too much like JP during SDoiT/ToT years   

[tri.ad]

I doubt the age thing would be that much of an issue. It would be rather fitting that Mike joins a band with guys half his age and his DT replacement is about the same age as them

You overlook the fact that MP originally took the drummer's seat as a touring guy, while DT are looking for a permanent replacement. Of course age differences aren't that much of an issue if you don't plan on joining the band permanently.

[darkshade]

Did I mention that I would show up at every single show with this drummer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmYoldGl9Y8

rumborak

COOL, she can play in 4/4 time!

of course this is based on the few videos she has up. she is a pretty solid player. she can probably play more complex stuff (but i dont see any videos showing that, except for one "Drive In Drive Out" but it's a drum solo part)

id love to see her behind the kit in DT, if she could handle it

[MykeHavoc]

All joking aside, how old is Charlie? He look like he could be in his early 30's, which isn't all that young. Plus he physically looks like the part.

[Adami]

Ooh, yeah, he's good.

rumborak

Not only is he a fine drummer, but he seems to fit their music. As opposed to a prog virtuoso who could easily play DTs music, but natural tendencies wouldn't work well within the context of DT.

[Lowdz]

What about Deen Castronovo?

I initially laughed at this and said to myself, "I seriously doubt Deen has the chops for DT."  But then I thought about it and maybe he does.  On Journey's 30th anniversary tour a few years back, they did a full set of the older material, including a lot of more prog-influenced and fusion songs, and he handled the odd beats and unusual time signatures perfectly.  So maybe he could pull of the DT material.  Not sure.  But he is a family guy as well.  And he can SING.  If he could pull of the material, he might actually be a great fit.  But I'm not sure it would be easy to convince him to leave his current meal ticket.

deen played on Marty friedman's Dragon's Kiss album and there was certainly odd time signature stuff all over that. He is a very good singer in the Steve Perry mould, and takes lead vocals on some of the Journey ballads live, but as you say, He's unlikely to quit journey.

[Nihil-Morari]

She's not great. Sorry, but I can do that too, and I'm not even a drummer.

On a side note:

About Charley Z... The biggest problem that I had with MP, is that he had a certain image of DT that he wouldn't stray from.
And Charley is a great drummer, and he loves DT, but it seems like he loves to copy the style of MP, instead of creating something new with DT songs.
And since this is a new chapter in DT history, I would love to hear him make something totally new of the existing drum parts, and thus bring DT some fresh blood and feeling to create a totally new album.
I'm sure Virgil doesn't know all the exact parts MP plays, but he can play the songs. And that's a difference.

A bit incoherent, but I guess you all know what I mean.

[hefdaddy42]

Wow, that Charlie Z cat is good.

[ReaPsTA]

Watching some of the drummers mentioned in this thread:

- I don't know much about him, but Virgil Donati seems like maybe too big a personality.

- Bobby Jarzombek... WOW. Never really heard his stuff before, but just wow. I don't really know, but right now he's my favorite choice. Great sense of dynamics and excellent musicality. Want to look into it more.

- Don't like Ted Kirkpatrick for DT

- Thomas Lang seems awesome when he's able to be funky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bFPsVtXgY). When he does metal, it seems a bit stilted.

- Macaluso seems more rock oriented than prog metal. The umbrella cymbal he has is really cool though. Also, even though for some reason I've seen posts saying a small kit drummer would be cool for DT, it's not going to happen. And I have no interest in seeing it.

- Morgenstein doesn't strike me as very metal.

- Wildoer is an interesting voice because you not only get a drummer but you get the heavy vocals back as an added bonus. But he seems stylistically more built to handle very heavy and grinding music. Awesome choice for JLB's album... Not so sure about DT.

She's not great. Sorry, but I can do that too, and I'm not even a drummer.

On a side note:

About Charley Z... The biggest problem that I had with MP, is that he had a certain image of DT that he wouldn't stray from.
And Charley is a great drummer, and he loves DT, but it seems like he loves to copy the style of MP, instead of creating something new with DT songs.
And since this is a new chapter in DT history, I would love to hear him make something totally new of the existing drum parts, and thus bring DT some fresh blood and feeling to create a totally new album.

That's a valid concern.

[jdprsaga]

well this guy Charlie Z is good and for some reason he is uploading lots of DT cover latelly.

I like his playing..

I do not like his look in the covers but i don't have problem with his look in the vid with jordan.

[Plasmastrike]

This Charlie Z guy blew me away. I just finished watching ANTR and TSCO. Awesome!

Personally, his look is really cool to me. Young and full of energy! Not to mention he's from NYC and has played with JR.

[7StringedBeast]

Hey Reap, you know that Macaluso toured with JLB for EoP right?  Just saying cause I think he would be fine for prog metal.

[ReaPsTA]

Hey Reap, you know that Macaluso toured with JLB for EoP right?  Just saying cause I think he would be fine for prog metal.

He toured for the album. Mike Mangini recorded the original drum parts. When I saw Macaluso's videos, the stuff he seemed to naturally just do wasn't really prog metal.

[Bertielee]

Hey Reap, you know that Macaluso toured with JLB for EoP right?  Just saying cause I think he would be fine for prog metal.

He toured for the album. Mike Mangini recorded the original drum parts. When I saw Macaluso's videos, the stuff he seemed to naturally just do wasn't really prog metal.

For me, Ark's "Burn the Sun" was prog metal and he played some really complicated stuff on it.

B.Lee

[rumborak]

She's not great. Sorry, but I can do that too, and I'm not even a drummer.

Well, I chose that video for her cuteness factor, to get the point across. I doubt you can do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_jOPOBlJ3I&feature=related

rumborak

[?]

Wow, Charlie Z is awesome! 

[Nihil-Morari]

She's not great. Sorry, but I can do that too, and I'm not even a drummer.

Well, I chose that video for her cuteness factor, to get the point across. I doubt you can do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_jOPOBlJ3I&feature=related

rumborak

Wow, you're right. That's a lot better.

Still, womens physics don't work on a drumset, imo... It looks so... strange.

[wolfking]

Hey Reap, you know that Macaluso toured with JLB for EoP right?  Just saying cause I think he would be fine for prog metal.

He toured for the album. Mike Mangini recorded the original drum parts. When I saw Macaluso's videos, the stuff he seemed to naturally just do wasn't really prog metal.

For me, Ark's "Burn the Sun" was prog metal and he played some really complicated stuff on it.

B.Lee

That's one of my favourite prog album, criminally underrated.  The drumming on this is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPyOUBZKu98&feature=related

[Bertielee]

Hey Reap, you know that Macaluso toured with JLB for EoP right?  Just saying cause I think he would be fine for prog metal.

He toured for the album. Mike Mangini recorded the original drum parts. When I saw Macaluso's videos, the stuff he seemed to naturally just do wasn't really prog metal.

For me, Ark's "Burn the Sun" was prog metal and he played some really complicated stuff on it.

B.Lee

That's one of my favourite prog album, criminally underrated.  The drumming on this is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPyOUBZKu98&feature=related

Apparently, it may not be John Macaluso as he and Tore Ostby have been working on a new Ark album (even if the article dates back from last April):

https://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201004/1980918841.html

B.Lee

[Stoneyman]

I think DT would pretty much think to audition guys that they have played with before in some capacity.  It would just make sense.  They know these guys and know how talented they are.  7 auditions seems to me to be a pretty definite number...like why just 7 and not more?

I am not totally familiar with a lot of the guys the members of DT have done side projects with, but I think it might be a safe assumption that they are gonna go with guys they have played with or already know to some degree on a personal level.

I cant imagine jamming with a guy and then deciding quickly if you dont know them personally.  What are they gonna do, make all of the candidates hang at a DT family barbeque just to make sure their not jerks?

I think they stay pretty close to home on this one.

Can someone list the drummers for the side projects or solo cd's?

[Nihil-Morari]

Please complete the list:


JLB solo material:
Mullmuzzler     (don't know the drummer)
Solo:
Mike Mangini   (I don't he'll even audition)

JMX:
Rod Morgenstein  (both Jelly Jam and Platypus right?)
Terry Bozzio   (Explorers club)

JP:
            (Suspended Animation)

JR:
Rod Morgenstein    (Feeding the Wheel)
Charley Z         (Rhythm of Time)

[wolfking]

Please complete the list:


JLB solo material:
Mullmuzzler: Miki Mangini
Solo: EOP: Mike Mangini
        Static Impulse: Peter Wildoer
JMX:
Rod Morgenstein  (both Jelly Jam and Platypus right?)
Terry Bozzio   (Explorers club)

JP:
Dave DiCenso, Tony Verderosa (Suspended Animation)

JR:
Rod Morgenstein    (Feeding the Wheel)
Charley Z         (Rhythm of Time)

[Stoneyman]

Please complete the list:


JLB solo material:
Mullmuzzler: Miki Mangini
Solo: EOP: Mike Mangini
        Static Impulse: Peter Wildoer
JMX:
Rod Morgenstein  (both Jelly Jam and Platypus right?)
Terry Bozzio   (Explorers club)

JP:
Dave DiCenso, Tony Verderosa (Suspended Animation)

JR:
Rod Morgenstein    (Feeding the Wheel)
Charley Z         (Rhythm of Time)

Funny, that is actually 7 LOL!

[Tick]

Just imagine it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wJTnhvgSjg&feature=related

[emindead]

About Charley Z... The biggest problem that I had with MP, is that he had a certain image of DT that he wouldn't stray from.
And Charley is a great drummer, and he loves DT, but it seems like he loves to copy the style of MP, instead of creating something new with DT songs.

I don't know if we saw the same video, but I saw a lot of Charley's own style in those parts. You want someone just playing like MP? Check the drummer for that band which posts here once in a while, the guys with different cams for each member that play exactly the same.

[Nihil-Morari]

No, I'd love a drummer that doesn't play the exact notes MP played.
And from what I've heard, he plays the exact same notes.

[reneranucci]

No, I'd love a drummer that doesn't play the exact notes MP played.
And from what I've heard, he plays the exact same notes.

This.

[Adami]

No, I'd love a drummer that doesn't play the exact notes MP played.
And from what I've heard, he plays the exact same notes.

Yes, but the odds of DT finding someone who has a radically different style than MP is just slim to none. They're chemistry worked with Portnoys style, so they're gonna find someone who naturally fits that. Not a clone, but someone pretty close to portnoy.

[Nihil-Morari]

Musical style of playing, yes. (They must use someone who has played prog metal before, true)
Style of person, maybe.        (it could be an OCD drummer, but maybe the opposite would work too)
Style of drumming, I don't know.

People like Jarzombek, Donati, Mangini or Bozzio are totally, totally different drummers, but could work very well within DT, imo.