2020 NFL Thread v. Tom Brady aging better than Mila Kunis

[TAC]

I agree Bart.

But they still have issues at QB going forward.

[Stadler]

I agree with you too, Bart. 

What do you guys see at QB moving forward?    Draft pick?  Another free agent pickup?  Stick with Cam?   I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?

[TheCountOfNYC]

I agree with you too, Bart. 

What do you guys see at QB moving forward?    Draft pick?  Another free agent pickup?  Stick with Cam?   I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?

The Cam Newton experiment was really hurt by the lack of preseason and proper training camp. You can see that Cam is starting to get more comfortable in the Patriots offense, so imagine if he would have had a full preseason to get acclimated. New England is the best place for him, and I think that if they stick with him next season, they’ll look a lot better with him having a full year in McDaniels’ offense.

[King Postwhore]

Cam is the bridge to get the next QB which is a tough task to get right.

[El Barto]

I agree with you too, Bart. 

What do you guys see at QB moving forward?    Draft pick?  Another free agent pickup?  Stick with Cam?   I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?

Trade Stephon Gilmour, this year's number one, and next year's number one to the Jets and grab Lawrence. From the Jets' point of view, they're better off using the picks to build around Darnold than starting over again. Not to mention, if he's half as smart as the scouts say he is, he'll tell the Jets to fuck right off. For the Patriots, Bills going to trade out of the first round anyway. Plus, he's generally better at finding talent in the lower rounds than the higher ones. Hell, his UFAs work out better than his high value picks half the time. Everything I've heard is that TL is the best prospect since Peyton Manning. That's worth worth more than the likely return on using those picks.

[TAC]

No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.

[El Barto]

No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.

You'd certainly think that. Yet, I can't shake this sneaking suspicion that they might not be very good at this sort of thing.

[Cool Chris]

No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.

You'd certainly think that. Yet, I can't shake this sneaking suspicion that they might not be very good at this sort of thing.

[cramx3]

Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time.  I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival.  That would haunt them for a century or more.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time.  I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival.  That would haunt them for a century or more.

The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.

[cramx3]

Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time.  I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival.  That would haunt them for a century or more.

The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.

I just reread that and I meant decade not century but knowing the Jets, a mistake like that maybe could last a century  but I don't know if trading the 1st pick is stupid.  If Lawrence is available and not going to fight about going to the Jets, then they should use it, but if they could get more 1st round picks by trading, it might make a lot of sense. I don't follow the Jets closely to know what they need, but given their record, it seems like they could use two good players over one.  The draft is a crapshoot anyway, know one knows if even Lawrence will play out to be a generation talent in the NFL.

[Stadler]

Belichick has friends in the league.  If he gets the Jets number one - IF - it likely won't be directly from the Jets anyway.

[King Postwhore]

He'd trade down anyway.

[El Barto]

Belichick has friends in the league.  If he gets the Jets number one - IF - it likely won't be directly from the Jets anyway.

I know the Jets aren't good enough to defend against that.  "What do you mean they traded it to New England! Can they do that?"   

[KevShmev]

The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.

Agreed.  Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.

And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago.  By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.

All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets.  If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power.  Might as well use it.

[T-ski]

Welcome back Kev!

[Stadler]

The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.

Agreed.  Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.

And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago.  By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.

All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets.  If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power.  Might as well use it.

If you're a Jet fan, one would hope that it would be a wakeup call.  They had no consequences for their actions over the past couple years, because they were getting players that had high opinions of themselves and their abilities (Reavis, Bell).   I think Elway was a wakeup call of sorts for the Colts.   I'm not sure if San Diego learned anything from the Manning/Rivers/Brees thing.  But maybe this will be the kickstart the Jets need to break out of their rut.

[KevShmev]

If you're a Jet fan, one would hope that it would be a wakeup call.  They had no consequences for their actions over the past couple years, because they were getting players that had high opinions of themselves and their abilities (Reavis, Bell).   I think Elway was a wakeup call of sorts for the Colts.   I'm not sure if San Diego learned anything from the Manning/Rivers/Brees thing.  But maybe this will be the kickstart the Jets need to break out of their rut.

I saw this elsewhere a while back and it cracked me up: for as hapless as the Jets are considered to be now, they have still been to three AFC title games since the last time the Dallas Cowboys made it to one.

 

[DragonAttack]

Saw the title changed.....indeed, welcome back, Kev!

[KevShmev]

Thanks, sports fans!

[Cool Chris]

Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.

* realizes the thread title changed...   

And the correct phrasing is "Let Russ Cook." Good lord am I tired of hearing that up here.

[Dream Team]

Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.

* realizes the thread title changed...   

And the correct phrasing is "Let Russ Cook." Good lord am I tired of hearing that up here.

They’re gonna take the spatula away if he keeps having 4-turnover games . . .

Agreed on welcome back Kev. Love your input on the NFL.

[Cool Chris]

That was hopefully an outlier. But the way this defense is playing, he's gonna have to play near flawless games if they are going to win (excepting of course that stretch against the NFC East).

And hopefully with Kev's return we'll get some power rankings soon!

[Skeever]

The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.

Agreed.  Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.

And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago.  By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.

All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets.  If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power.  Might as well use it.

I've thought of this, but the Jets might be more attractive than some people are giving them credit for. They've got a ton of picks, including probably the no. 1 overall, and are going into a great cap situation. If Mehki can stay healthy that is a huge boon to any QB as when he's on the field he's one of the best at the position. And I think Joe Douglas is a legit football mind, also. Once they have a good coach in place I'm not sure what No. 1 overall pick will have ever walked into a better situation.

[TAC]

I've thought of this, but the Jets might be more attractive than some people are giving them credit for. They've got a ton of picks, including probably the no. 1 overall, and are going into a great cap situation. If Mehki can stay healthy that is a huge boon to any QB as when he's on the field he's one of the best at the position. And I think Joe Douglas is a legit football mind, also. Once they have a good coach in place I'm not sure what No. 1 overall pick will have ever walked into a better situation.

Belichick? There are rumblings that he's not long for the Pats...

[KevShmev]

And hopefully with Kev's return we'll get some power rankings soon!

I will get with the committee and see if they are willing to meet virtually once a week in order to drum some up for the remainder of the season.

Agreed on welcome back Kev. Love your input on the NFL.

Thanks. 

[KevShmev]

And how great a job is Brian Flores doing in Miami?  He has them on a roll.  I wasn't sure making the switch to Tua at the time they did was the right move at the time, but they have not missed a beat.

[eric42434224]

And how great a job is Brian Flores doing in Miami?  He has them on a roll.  I wasn't sure making the switch to Tua at the time they did was the right move at the time, but they have not missed a beat.

Dolphins defense is legit too

[KevShmev]

Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks.  Just too many turnovers.

[Dream Team]

Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks.  Just too many turnovers.

Yeah it’s gonna be Mahomes again. Guy hasn’t even turned it on yet.

[Dream Team]

Steelers 9-0 with the 29th ranked rush offense. Can’t keep putting that much pressure on a 38 year old QB. Not sustainable.

[Cool Chris]

Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks.  Just too many turnovers.

Yes these last couple performances have been a total bed crapping. Would have thought holding the Rams to 23 would have been sufficient.

Damn, the end of that Cards/Bills game too.

[cramx3]

Wow that Hail Mary

I'm glad to see my Giants continue to improve.  They suddenly have a run game (not just Jones scrambling) and it's really started to help Jones passing game, oh and he stopped turning the ball over at insanely high levels.  While beating the Redskins and Eagles isn't anything to get super excited about, I hope they continue to build confidence and given the terrible division, they can have a weird shot to make the playoffs and keep me interested for the final 6 games.

[Dream Team]

Belichick showing his genius again. NE is outmanned and has no business winning this game.

[TAC]

Who saw that coming?