NFL thread 2014 v. Frankford Yellow Jackets Lay the Pipe on the Dayton Triangles

[TAC]

So this is how Belickick treats/employs his own mother?

[TAC]

A guy just called WEEI, who claims he knows the Ball Boy. Christian Fauria (former Pat) confirmed the Ball Boy's name.

What he said he was told was that the balls were checked at half time. They were found to be underinflated.
You may remember that at the beginning of the second half, they had the kicking ball out there. Apparently that was because the Pats' balls were late coming out of the room because of the inspections and reinflations.
He also said that there was a league official tied to the ball boy's hip throughout the second half.

I'm thinking if all of this ends up being accurate in the NFL's report, then the Pats destroyed the Colts in the second half with legal balls.
If they had used the legal balls in the first half too, the score would've been like 70-7.

All this begs the question..why?

Now apparently Matt Lienhart is now tweeting that everyone doctors the balls.

[King Postwhore]

Lets add to QB's saying they do it as well.


Brad Johnson  --  https://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/01/21/brad-johnson-bribed-someone-to-tamper-with-super-bowl-footballs/

Aaron Rodgers  --  https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/20/packers-aaron-rodgers-prefers-overinflated-footballs-likes-to-push-the-limit/

[jammindude]

At www.sportsradiokjr.com they just posted a parody of "Big Balls" by AC/DC called "Tom's Flat Balls".

First blood in the media game goes to Seattle. 

[King Postwhore]

Um, Look who fondles Tom's balls.

Victory, Brady.

[El Barto]

I doubt he'd really give a shit about that, but it does seem like Tom Brady is one of the very last people you'd want to piss off before a game. He's way too competitive.

[Dublagent66]

Tom Brady can't run be he can certainly hide in the pocket as long as it doesn't collapse. 

[King Postwhore]

Remember how the Pats reacted after the last "Gate"?

This will favor the Pats.  They'll manufacturer the "Us Vs. The World" mentality for the game.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Pats should be thankful that I'm not in charge of the league. For it it were to be determined that deflating the balls was intentionally done, I wouldn't be interested in slapping that franchise on the wrist with a fine again. I wouldn't be interested in take a draft pick from them again. I would do something that would actually get their attention and make everyone in the league question whether cheating is actually worth it.

I would forfeit all of  their wins in 2014, and have the Ravens and Colts play this Sunday in a real AFC Championship Game.

But, I'm not in charge, so the millionaires will do what they see fit with this.

[King Postwhore]

Don't think that would ever happen.  The legalities of this would be mindbogling.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Don't think that would ever happen.  The legalities of this would be mindbogling.

I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game. 

[TAC]

Don't think that would ever happen.  The legalities of this would be mindbogling.

I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game.

If you really wanted to get their attention, suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl. I don't think putting the Colts or the Ravens in the game is even doable, nor would I agree with that. That's just crazy.

[King Postwhore]

Yes, that too.  There are too many variables to do that.  I still think it will just be a fine because this was the good ole' boys network, you don't tell, I wont tell.

Rumors are coming out that Pags complained during the regular season game and if you saw that game, Brady was in late still trying to score because Bellichick was mad.  So, fast forward to the playoff game, Pags gets back at him during the playoffs because the balls were deflated again.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Don't think that would ever happen.  The legalities of this would be mindbogling.

I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game.

If you really wanted to get their attention, suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl. I don't think putting the Colts or the Ravens in the game is even doable, nor would I agree with that. That's just crazy.

I honestly don't think that suspending Belechick would be sufficient to deter this kind of crap in the future.  I just don't really acknowledge New England as being the AFC Championship if they felt the need to blatantly cheat in order to win the AFC. Sad fact is that they probably blow the doors off of Indy regardless of inflation of balls... but that Ravens game.... yeah.... the seed of doubt is there. Much closer game.... and a WR threw a TD.   

[TAC]

That's fine, I'm not going to try and change your mind about the Pats/Ravens game.

What would deter this crap in the future would be to have the league in change of the balls during the game. Why are teams allowed to use different balls in the first place. I do realize that's not the issue here.

If I were in charge of the league, I'd pull Belichick from the Super Bowl over this. I firmly believe that would kick Kraft in the ..um.. balls.

[Dark Castle]

A WR who played QB in college..

[Destiny Of Chaos]

A WR who played QB in college..

Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.

[Dark Castle]

A WR who played QB in college..

Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.

Not sure if sarcasm or not..
The sass is strong with this post.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

A WR who played QB in college..

Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.

Not sure if sarcasm or not..
The sass is strong with this post.

Definitely sarcasm.  If they used deflated balls against the Ravens.... it made their narrow victory much easier.

Team is good enough that they don't have to cheat.... so if they're doing it anyway... just shameful.

[El Barto]

Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.

[Dublagent66]

It doesn't really matter what the Pats are or aren't accused of now.  They'll always be known as a team with a cheating history.  Same goes for the Saints and any other team who participates in "gate" activity.  What's the official name for this investigation anyway?  Deflate gate? 

[El Barto]

It doesn't really matter what the Pats are or aren't accused of now.  They'll always be known as a team with a cheating history.  Same goes for the Saints and any other team who participates in "gate" activity.  What's the official name for this investigation anyway?  Deflate gate? 

Of course you're right, but I honestly never hear anybody complain about the Saints being cheaters. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but I never hear it. You hear Belicheat and Cheatriots constantly. The simple difference between being good for 12 years or being the Saints, I suppose.

[TAC]

Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.

There's no way Belickick doesn't know about how Brady likes his balls. Even has a Pats fan, I cannot believe he doesn't know about everything going on on his sideline. There is no way that Brady is operating independently of Belichick.
I can see Claude Julien not knowing if Patrice Bergeron shows up with an illegal curve, but Belichick has too much control over what goes on.

[KevShmev]

All we hear is what a great, classy guy Robert Kraft is, but this reflects on him, too.  If he, the owner, allows the football leader of his franchise to keep his job after getting busted for cheating again, then he obviously isn't the great guy that many portray him to be.  We'll see.

[TAC]

All we hear is what a great, classy guy Robert Kraft is, but this reflects on him, too.  If he, the owner, allows the football leader of his franchise to keep his job after getting busted for cheating again, then he obviously isn't the great guy that many portray him to be.  We'll see.

Kev, Kraft isn't as classy as he wants everyone to believe. Not even close. In fact, I can't stand the fu#king midget. The guy is as smarmy as they get.

[King Postwhore]

Or that Denver manipulated the cap in their 2 Super Bowl seasons. 

The real answer is that Belichick rubs coaches and players and he'll,  even the league office The wrong way and that's why others are going after them.  He's done it to himself

[El Barto]

Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.

There's no way Belickick doesn't know about how Brady likes his balls. Even has a Pats fan, I cannot believe he doesn't know about everything going on on his sideline. There is no way that Brady is operating independently of Belichick.

I'm sure he knows Brady prefers low pressure balls. That doesn't mean that he orchestrated, or even knowingly allowed a scheme that facilitated tampering with the balls between their initial inspection by the refs and the kickoff of the game. That is after all what we're all suggesting happened.

[King Postwhore]

So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.

So just for the record.

2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI  -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.


Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.

https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/

[TAC]

So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.

So just for the record.

2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI  -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.


Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.

https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/

I mentioned the caller to WEEI earlier. He also claimed that the 2nd half balls were legal.

I'm thinking if all of this ends up being accurate in the NFL's report, then the Pats destroyed the Colts in the second half with legal balls.
If they had used the legal balls in the first half too, the score would've been like 70-7.

That doesn't mean that he ..... knowingly allowed a scheme that facilitated tampering with the balls between their initial inspection by the refs and the kickoff of the game. 

Bart, I'm sorry, but there's no way it happens without Belichick knowing. I guess we can agree to disagree. I believe he absolutely allowed such a scheme.

[King Postwhore]

You've heard it here first.  This is TAC, signing off on DTF Radio.

[TAC]

You've heard it here first.  This is TAC, signing off on DTF Radio.

I had today off so I was listening to sportsradio all day. Both stations. Jim Rome has a CBS Sports Minute about this that had me busting a gut.

[King Postwhore]

I had 98.5 on today but I floated in an out since i was doing the employee's reviews.  I hope I didn't mess up while I was listening.

[TAC]

I had 98.5 on today but I floated in an out since i was doing the employee's reviews.  I hope I didn't mess up while I was listening.

I hope you didn't write someone up for deflating the tires on the forklift in the warehouse!

[Cool Chris]

Jim Rome has a CBS Sports Minute about this that had me busting a gut.

I can't imagine Romey getting any point across in only a minute. That is hi                                  larious.

[KevShmev]

So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.

So just for the record.

2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI  -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.


Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.

https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/

I think this is missing the point.  The Patriots drubbing of the Colts is not the story; the story is the Patriots, once again, apparently crossing that line again that separates gamesmanship and cheating.  And if they did this, do you really think  Sunday was the first time?  And it makes you wonder what else they do?  Now, I am naive to where I think that other teams don't try to get away with what they can as well, but the Patriots seem to take it to a whole other level, which is sad for them because the combination of this and Spygate will taint their legacy/dynasty in the eyes of a lot of people.  I am sure the Pats and their fans couldn't care less, or at least that's what they'd all say, but years from now, when the greatness of the Patriots dynasty, Belichick's place among the all-time great coaches and Brady's GOAT status are all discussed, this will be a part of each of those conversations.  There will now always be that "Yeah, but..."