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Just read on ESPN today that if the Seahawks win....we *can* start talking "dynasty"......

False.  If they get to three, then you can start.

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ESPN just loves making up talking points don't they.

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I know for a lot of people, Deflategate is serious but I thought this was poignant.

I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.” - Bob Newhart
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Actually the way they investigate all things is pretty much the first one. As soon as the "we're doing everything we can" presser everything gets put on the back back back burner because they know they can since the money will keep rolling in no matter what.

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Confession.   

I've decided to watch the Pro Bowl....because I'm sick in bed...I'm bored....and the remote doesn't work.

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Yes...even I cringed when Sherman went on his now infamous Crabtree rant on national TV after last years championship win.   But it's THESE moments when I absolutely love his outspokeness, and his fearlessness to call it like he sees it.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/25/richard-sherman-roger-goodell-robert-kraft-deflategate-patriots
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I will give you this.   My opinion of modern media is below my opinion of Sharon Osbourne....and only (just barely) above child pornographers.    I suppose that's why I feel so strongly about someone being forced to deal with them.    If you want to deal with them, and it doesn't bother you, fine.   But being extorted into dealing with these sub-human cockroaches is just.....eww.    No one should ever have to be extorted into dealing with those people.

So my opinion of TMZ reporting and all their kind does color my opinions of being forced into dealing with them.
TMZ and their ilk is not who he is supposed to be talking to.  He is supposed to be talking to actual journalist - beat writers from the Seatlle area, national correspondents, etc.  Not douchebags who ambush you on your way out of the grocery store.

He's being asked to have his words twisted and taken out of context though, and add that with social anxiety and I don't get how one can't understand why he doesn't want to do them and at least have a bit of sympathy for the guy.
I do understand that he doesn't want to, and why he doesn't want to.  My daughter has social anxiety too, I know all about it.

But that is not an excuse not to do certain things.  It just makes certain things more difficult. 

Everybody has issues they have to deal with.  But everybody has to earn a living, and that often means tasks that aren't pleasant.  Just fucking do it.  In this case, it's literally 2 minutes a day.
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Ok....this is some SERIOUS BS HERE!!!!

Brandon Browner when asked about Sherman and Earl Thomas' injuries:

"I’m going to tell my teammates to go hit that elbow, go hit that shoulder. Try to break it if you can, you know?"

https://sportsglory.com/nfl/brandon-browner-teammates-break-shermans-arm-hit-thomass-shoulder/34428#ixzz3PxGx4uDJ
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I think all players go after injured players.  Is is right?  No but this happens all the time.
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Ok....this is some SERIOUS BS HERE!!!!
I agree, it was pretty stupid to let anyone know they were going to do it.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?   I mean...this is flat out head hunting, and I would prefer to believe that guys would want to face a healthy opponent.   Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
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We should listen to the interview to see if it was said in jest or did he flat out say that.

In the end, they will bump Sherman physically.  I just don't think they are articulate enough to actually say that.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?   

No.  That was a situation where you had coaches paying players bonuses for making illegal hits.  2 key differences:  (1) paying players off; (2) illegal hits. 

But I also have to say, as much as it sucks having players injured in the first place, as much as Sherman and Thomas "head-hunt" and deliberately try to injure other players, they should be prepared for some turnabout when they are vulnerable.
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And then they lied in interviews about it which was found out in emails later.
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Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
It says that you win.

I agree that this is a wrong thing to do. 
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Where is the evidence that Sherman and Thomas have ever intentionally tried to injure another player?   Browning is telling the public that he is telling his teammates to purposefully injure Sherman and Thomas. 
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as much as Sherman and Thomas "head-hunt" and deliberately try to injure other players,
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What?

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I dunno, but I assume it was against San Francisco.
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Next thing you know, Bosk is going to be claiming that Russell Wilson kicks at players knees when he slides to go down  :lol

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Quoting a Pats fan from another forum:

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^ he should be lifetime-banned from playing.

I'm saying that as a Pats fan. There is no place - NO PLACE - for that kind of attitude. It's one thing to go out there and say, "Let's kick their ass!" It's another entirely to say, "Hey, that guy has a bum arm - break it. Take him out."

Fuck that Cobra Kai Sweep The Leg shit. Ban him.

I tend to agree.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?   I mean...this is flat out head hunting, and I would prefer to believe that guys would want to face a healthy opponent.   Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?

I highly doubt any team is ever at or ever close to 100% at any given time, or are you talking about specific players?

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Quoting a Pats fan from another forum:

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^ he should be lifetime-banned from playing.

I'm saying that as a Pats fan. There is no place - NO PLACE - for that kind of attitude. It's one thing to go out there and say, "Let's kick their ass!" It's another entirely to say, "Hey, that guy has a bum arm - break it. Take him out."

Fuck that Cobra Kai Sweep The Leg shit. Ban him.

I tend to agree.
And as I said on that other forum you're taking part of the quote and interpreting it far too literally. He was referring to competitiveness: “You’re going to be my best friend after the game, but at the end of the day I know you want the Super Bowl just as bad as me.”
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Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
It says that you win. 
:lol  Pretty much that.  I don't think there are many 49ers fans who would like to put an asterisk next to every single 49ers loss this year after the devastating series of injuries they suffered.  But it is what it is.  At the end of the day, injuries or no, they lost 8 games this season.  If Seattle wins the Super Bowl, nobody is going to be able to make a credible argument that they only got there because the 49ers and Cardinals were too depleted by key injuries to have taken the NFC West, so it somehow doesn't say as much about the Seahawks.  No, they will (rightly) simply say that the Seahawks are the Super Bowl champions.
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On a tangential but somewhat related note, I find the psychology of "playing hurt" fascinating.  I completely get that players want to gut it out and help their team.  That's part of what makes great competitors tick.  I remember feeling that way when I played team sports in school.  Heck, I did that when I tore a hammie playing ultimate a few years back.  :lol 

But the question is, when do you cross the line and end up hurting your team by playing when you aren't ready?  For example, I think Seahawks fans, Seahawks haters, and everyone in between thought Sherman showed grit by staying in the Green Bay game when his arm looked like it was ready to fall off if it got hit.  And I can't figure out for the life of me why the Packers did not go after him.  But let's say they had.   What if on GB's last drive, Rodgers goes after that side, and Sherman gets burned a few times or misses tackles because of his arm, and GB gets a touchdown and wins instead of a field goal to send it to overtime?  Then I think the opinion changes from "look what a gritty player Sherman is" to "he never should have stayed in.  After Wilson and the offense brought them back, Sherman cost them the game." 

Or to extend that logic over a season, what about Vernon Davis playing for the 49ers?  He became a complete non-factor this season.  His speed was hampered.  He could not get open.  He was not aggressive going for balls, and even had some flat-out drops.  As a result, his stat-line was that of a sub-par tight end rather than one of the most dominant tight ends in the game, and it (along with other factors) hurt the team this year. 

So where do you draw the line?  I know this is somewhat rhetorical because there is no simple answer.  But I do find it interesting to ponder.
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In your example, players aren't actively seeking to injure him on purpose by targeting his arm. Your example just has Sherman not being able to play to the best of his ability.

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That's my whole point.  Can he truly play to the best of his ability?  Clearly, the answer is no.  So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him? 
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That's my whole point.  Can he truly play to the best of his ability?  Clearly, the answer is no.  So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Let's say that he won't be playing at his best, he could still be playing well enough that taking him out isn't needed.

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That's my whole point.  Can he truly play to the best of his ability?  Clearly, the answer is no.  So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Let's say that he won't be playing at his best, he could still be playing well enough that taking him out isn't needed.

Yup, could be.  I really wish Green Bay had tested that, and it still boggles my mind that they didn't.
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That's my whole point.  Can he truly play to the best of his ability?  Clearly, the answer is no.  So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Can he play better than your next best option.
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^That is one of the many questions that I think makes it an interesting debate.
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I guess I'm in shock.   Sherman is a loudmouth, and said some unsportsmanlike things in the heat of the moment, and the entire world hates him.

Browning admits openly in a prepared interview that he's instructing his teammates to "sweep the leg" of an injured player, and the apologists come out in full force.

And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse.   Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.
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And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse.   Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.

He may be a dirty player, but if so, I don't buy that THAT is one of the reasons he is not a Seahawk anymore.  Him being a dirty player would have put him in good company.
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I guess I'm in shock.   Sherman is a loudmouth, and said some unsportsmanlike things in the heat of the moment, and the entire world hates him.

Browning admits openly in a prepared interview that he's instructing his teammates to "sweep the leg" of an injured player, and the apologists come out in full force.

And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse.   Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.

It really is the mentality of the league. 

I've read countless stories where a team will test an injured player.  That's football.  They also throw or run to the person's position to test him as well.  That's why people get on Bill Bellichick so much about his injury report, because so many players will test that injury.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?   I mean...this is flat out head hunting,
Give me a break.

Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?   

No. 

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