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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: black_biff_stadler on March 02, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
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Seems as good a time as any for this. I tried to type out a lengthy OP for this a couple weeks ago complete with thorough analyses but my browser just dickishly auto refreshes so I lost it. Anyhoo, who do y'all like in SB IL? I don't feel great about any AFC teams so the Pats and Broncos are frontrunners by default imo and I think I don't think there's enough separation amongst the Seahawks, 9ers, and Saints to pick a clear favorite as of now. The Panthers aren't far behind either but have a little work to do on offense to be for real.
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Already having withdrawals from no football.
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Same here, NBA playoffs need to hurry the fuck up. Also, second!
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You've seen my post lately with ReaP on the C's? Two different worlds. LOL
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Yep. I had no idea he wasn't a bean town native til yesterday. Makes his Rondo apologism even more confusing.
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Already having withdrawals from no football.
Same here.... was sitting at work yesterday thinking... "September seems like a fucking eternity from now" And Mr. Floyd, I think you need to throw the WHOLE NFC West into that mix of yours... ;)
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Eh, Carolina's far better than STL or ARI though and I didn't include them. If Tyrann Mathieu keeps his head out of his ass, ARI can win 10 or more games next year.
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Haven't been following any news, what with the Olympics and hockey trade deadline dominating things up here. Any FA rumours yet?
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Incognito, wtf man.
Hopefully this blows over and Miami can focus on not sucking. Tannehill is a great QB, very excited to see what he can do.
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Yeah, if you take away his inconsistency throwing the ball and his poor pocket presence, Tannehill is just fantastic! ;)
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Green Bay kept Dom Capers, so we're officially out of contention :angry:
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Yeah, if you take away his inconsistency throwing the ball and his poor pocket presence, Tannehill is just fantastic! ;)
Well, give him an offensive line to work with and a RB that can get stuff done, sure!
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BF, you should have at least waited from some big news to break before starting this. We got nothing to talk about :lol
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Eh, I'm not even sure there's any precedent for starting these.
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Hey! The pats released Steve Gregory Joe!
:lol
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I heard Mark Moseley retired too.
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Maclin signed a 1 year 5.5 million contract with the Eagles. It's fair for both parties. If Maclin doesn't come back from his injury, it's no loss for the Eagles. If Maclin does come back, he has the opportunity to get a bigger deal next year.
I feel like this contract could have been better some how. What if it was something like a two year, 6.5 million dollar deal fully guaranteed? It's better for the Eagles if Maclin comes back, because they get him at a discount for another year. If Maclin doesn't come back, he gets another guaranteed year of money.
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More Harbaugh drama: https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Harbaugh-saga-promises-to-dominate-49ers-season-5281408.php
This whole situation is weird to me. I know coaches can get too intense. Thibodeau plays his guys too many minutes. Doug Collins eventually loses his players by making things too personal. But I'm not sure that Harbaugh is that guy. Tough to deal with, yes, but the product on the field is impossible to argue with.
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Here's some news relevant to us, floyd: looks like our Saints are gonna have to slap the franchise tag on Jimmy Graham because they can't seem to work out a contract with him. :| I wish they'd renegotiate Drew to a more rational number so we can get the rest of the key players locked up with appropriate contracts.
This time of year sucks for NFL fans starved for news.....
:blackfloyd:
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I just hope the franchise thing doesn't rub him the wrong way and expedite his pursuit of an exit. As for Drew, a restructure would be nice but good luck with that.
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I think Graham will put up a fight about getting WR franchise money, instead of TE money, and considering they use him at WR far more than TE, he should fight it.
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Maclin signed a 1 year 5.5 million contract with the Eagles. It's fair for both parties. If Maclin doesn't come back from his injury, it's no loss for the Eagles. If Maclin does come back, he has the opportunity to get a bigger deal next year.
And they gave Cooper 5year/25 million :lol
What are people thinking about this year's QB class? My brother sent me this message:
Manzel - Akili Smith
Bortles - Jake Locker
Carr - Derek Anderson
Bridgewater - Alex Smith
Sounds pretty harsh :lol
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Maclin signed a 1 year 5.5 million contract with the Eagles. It's fair for both parties. If Maclin doesn't come back from his injury, it's no loss for the Eagles. If Maclin does come back, he has the opportunity to get a bigger deal next year.
And they gave Cooper 5year/25 million :lol
What are people thinking about this year's QB class? My brother sent me this message:
Manzel - Akili Smith
Bortles - Jake Locker
Carr - Derek Anderson
Bridgewater - Alex Smith
Sounds pretty harsh :lol
I'm thinking I'm glad my team is not in the market for a new QB. :blackfloyd: :biggrin:
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More Harbaugh drama: https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Harbaugh-saga-promises-to-dominate-49ers-season-5281408.php
This whole situation is weird to me. I know coaches can get too intense. Thibodeau plays his guys too many minutes. Doug Collins eventually loses his players by making things too personal. But I'm not sure that Harbaugh is that guy. Tough to deal with, yes, but the product on the field is impossible to argue with.
With reports now out there that Harbaugh's act is wearing thin on some of the team leaders, him leaving SF almost seems inevitable. Sure, his teams win a lot of games, but he is probably better off in college where players don't have to put up with him for more than four years. And when I say "put up with him," consider how he acts on the sideline, the way he is constantly complaining and berating the officials. Those things are indicative of his personality, and that kind of incessant "whining like a child" act can only be tolerated by men for so long.
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Dolphins resigned Grimes. Excellent!
Also, new Buccaneers uniform:
(https://i.imgur.com/7ROOaBS.jpg)
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With reports now out there that Harbaugh's act is wearing thin on some of the team leaders, him leaving SF almost seems inevitable. Sure, his teams win a lot of games, but he is probably better off in college where players don't have to put up with him for more than four years. And when I say "put up with him," consider how he acts on the sideline, the way he is constantly complaining and berating the officials. Those things are indicative of his personality, and that kind of incessant "whining like a child" act can only be tolerated by men for so long.
+1000 ....... Spot on Kev :tup
Floyd, we'll see how the Rams and Cards shake out. I'm HOPING the Rams Keep the #2 Pick and use it on Sammy Watkins, and then the best OT on the board at the #13 pick. If that happens... Our Offense will make a significant leap IMO.
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Those uni's suck.... wow. The number font (or whatever it 's called) looks like something outta the arena league.
Here's some news relevant to us, floyd: looks like our Saints are gonna have to slap the franchise tag on Jimmy Graham because they can't seem to work out a contract with him. :| I wish they'd renegotiate Drew to a more rational number so we can get the rest of the key players locked up with appropriate contracts.
This time of year sucks for NFL fans starved for news.....
:blackfloyd:
It's a done deal.....
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10533205/jimmy-graham-receive-franchise-tag-new-orleans-saints
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New Buccs unis are badass!
Maclin signed a 1 year 5.5 million contract with the Eagles. It's fair for both parties. If Maclin doesn't come back from his injury, it's no loss for the Eagles. If Maclin does come back, he has the opportunity to get a bigger deal next year.
And they gave Cooper 5year/25 million :lol
Why is that so funny? Seems fair market value for him.
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New Buccs unis are badass!
Maclin signed a 1 year 5.5 million contract with the Eagles. It's fair for both parties. If Maclin doesn't come back from his injury, it's no loss for the Eagles. If Maclin does come back, he has the opportunity to get a bigger deal next year.
And they gave Cooper 5year/25 million :lol
Why is that so funny? Seems fair market value for him.
I guess? 5 mil for 47 receptions feels like a lot to me, especially on the Eagles, where you have so many offensive weapons the defense are going after that a No 3 guy is gonna have plenty of time to shine.
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Receptions are overrated, and Cooper did average nearly 18 yard per catch and had 8 touchdown catches, despite being tied for only 66th in targets. He is a playmaker, and I have no problem with the Eagles having paid him what they did. Plus, he has great chemistry with Foles (compare his numbers when Vick was playing vs. when Foles was). It's not like they can't cut him if he flops, since NFL contracts are not guaranteed.
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Also, new Buccaneers uniform:
(https://i.imgur.com/7ROOaBS.jpg)
Yikes, welcome to Generic Design City.
Maybe if they used more of the orange, but as of now, that's one bland uniform, and that helmet design is still bad.
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I think Graham will put up a fight about getting WR franchise money, instead of TE money, and considering they use him at WR far more than TE, he should fight it.
An arbitrator is apparently going to rule on this.
[Bucs Uniform]
Not good.
Receptions are overrated, and Cooper did average nearly 18 yard per catch and had 8 touchdown catches, despite being tied for only 66th in targets. He is a playmaker, and I have no problem with the Eagles having paid him what they did. Plus, he has great chemistry with Foles (compare his numbers when Vick was playing vs. when Foles was). It's not like they can't cut him if he flops, since NFL contracts are not guaranteed.
The first two years are guaranteed, but that's not an overly long commitment. I like the contract.
With reports now out there that Harbaugh's act is wearing thin on some of the team leaders, him leaving SF almost seems inevitable. Sure, his teams win a lot of games, but he is probably better off in college where players don't have to put up with him for more than four years. And when I say "put up with him," consider how he acts on the sideline, the way he is constantly complaining and berating the officials. Those things are indicative of his personality, and that kind of incessant "whining like a child" act can only be tolerated by men for so long.
For some reason I figured he never treated the players that way. I dunno. If I'm the Niners, I'm trying to figure out how to fix this.
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Those Bucs unis remind me of something from the XFL.
On the Panthers front: Jordan Gross retired, so that leaves a LARGE hole on the OL. They also used the franchise tag on Greg Hardy, so he will be back. And they still need to figure out what they will do with Steve Smith, who is still the best receiver on the team, I don't care if he IS 100 years old.
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With reports now out there that Harbaugh's act is wearing thin on some of the team leaders, him leaving SF almost seems inevitable. Sure, his teams win a lot of games, but he is probably better off in college where players don't have to put up with him for more than four years. And when I say "put up with him," consider how he acts on the sideline, the way he is constantly complaining and berating the officials. Those things are indicative of his personality, and that kind of incessant "whining like a child" act can only be tolerated by men for so long.
For some reason I figured he never treated the players that way. I dunno. If I'm the Niners, I'm trying to figure out how to fix this.
As a '9er fan, I'm not overly concerned at this stage. As is evident from this thread, it's a slow time for NFL news, so anything gets blown out of proportion if it looks like it might be newsworthy. It's hard to tell whether there is any genuine frustration. And even if there is some, as a practical matter, a lot of that is likely to vanish into thin air if the team makes it to the next level and wins a Super Bowl. For right now, I'm just chalking it up to rumor mill and slow news day.
Bucs uniform: The numbers are what kill it for me. If they went back to the numbers that they have now, that uniform would be just fine. Whatever...
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Fantastic news!
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10545077/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-cleared-play-2014-passing-neck-exam
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Those Bucs unis remind me of something from the XFL.
Definitely.
As a '9er fan, I'm not overly concerned at this stage. As is evident from this thread, it's a slow time for NFL news, so anything gets blown out of proportion if it looks like it might be newsworthy. It's hard to tell whether there is any genuine frustration. And even if there is some, as a practical matter, a lot of that is likely to vanish into thin air if the team makes it to the next level and wins a Super Bowl. For right now, I'm just chalking it up to rumor mill and slow news day.
I hope you're right.
Bucs uniform: The numbers are what kill it for me. If they went back to the numbers that they have now, that uniform would be just fine. Whatever...
Oh yeah. They look like digital numbers on an alarm clock.
Fantastic news!
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10545077/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-cleared-play-2014-passing-neck-exam
This IS fantastic. I need more Manning in my life. Hopefully they can be better next year.
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Those Bucs unis remind me of something from the XFL.
'xactly what I was gonna say. That's straight from the Vince McMahon branding department.
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Speaking of XFL, in case anyone forgot how bad it really was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioh3dXJnzws
Especially the commentary. YOU KNOW THERE'S NO SLIDING HERE OUR QUARTERBACKS ARE REQUIRED TO PLAY THE GAME MUWAHA
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Speaking of XFL, in case anyone forgot how bad it really was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioh3dXJnzws
I'm not really seeing the "bad" part. :lol
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Niners re-sign Boldin..... Happy Bosky? :biggrin:
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Speaking of XFL, in case anyone forgot how bad it really was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioh3dXJnzws
I'm not really seeing the "bad" part. :lol
Did you fast-forward past the "scramble"? How about the staged locker-room WWE-type scenes.
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Niners re-sign Boldin..... Happy Bosky? :biggrin:
Pretty much everything pointed toward re-signing him, so I'm not surprised. But it's good to see that it is a done deal. Details of the deal have not been disclosed, but unofficial reports say 2 years $12M. Both the length and the amount seem right to me. On both fronts, the message is that they value him, but they aren't going to overextend themselves as a team and end up hurting themselves in other areas. That's a good signing. :tup
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I don't like defending him... he's a scrapper. I would have been content to see him leave the NFC West.
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Yea I don't really follow hockey that much but I found this to be very interesting.
Referee wears helmet cam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBoOr12BrI
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Yea I don't really follow hockey that much but I found this to be very interesting.
Referee wears helmet cam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBoOr12BrI
Wrong sport?
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Interesting: https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10544881/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-thinks-nfl-proposed-n-word-ban-atrocious-idea (The link itself describes what the article is about)
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I do think it is a bit of an extreme; then again, as a mixed man, I hate the N word and I also hate how African Americans use it to refer each other. I don't care you replace the "-er" with an "a." It's still disgusting.
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I think I have to agree with part of Sherman's argument. How can you just ban 1 word? If you're going to do it , and I think they should, all racist/derogatory terminology should be banned. The trend, especially recently, in the NFL is to make it like any other work place environment. No Hazing, no discrimination and no harassment.
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I think I have to agree with part of Sherman's argument. How can you just ban 1 word? If you're going to do it , and I think they should, all racist/derogatory terminology should be banned. The trend, especially recently, in the NFL is to make it like any other work place environment. No Hazing, no discrimination and no harassment.
:iagree:
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It'd be nice if, in future societies, it was mandatory for businesses to respect free speech. Like, the NFL banning players from using the N-word, as long as it's not being used in a hateful way, should actually be illegal.
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Yea I don't really follow hockey that much but I found this to be very interesting.
Referee wears helmet cam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBoOr12BrI
Wrong sport?
Me: :facepaml:
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It'd be nice if, in future societies, it was mandatory for businesses to respect free speech. Like, the NFL banning players from using the N-word, as long as it's not being used in a hateful way, should actually be illegal.
Where's this idea that you're free to act however you want at work coming from? How is it related to "free speech"?
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Where's this idea that you're free to act however you want at work coming from? How is it related to "free speech"?
It's worrying to me that work places are basically trying to create a society of compliant, sanitized, inoffensive drones. I get that, if you're on the clock as a representative of a company, what you say obviously has to be controlled. Whether you're a cashier or a big money lawyer, you need to talk the right way. What I mean is that companies shouldn't be able to punish or discipline you for anything you say outside of work that doesn't reveal business secrets or badmouth the business.
And this thing where the NFL thinks you can take football players, who are crazy aggresive people, and regulate what they say on the field, is insane to me. And I mean insane literally. It's hard for me to believe this will work very well. And I don't know where they think they get the moral authority to do this. The racial component is, of course, impossible to ignore.
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Where's this idea that you're free to act however you want at work coming from? How is it related to "free speech"?
It's worrying to me that work places are basically trying to create a society of compliant, sanitized, inoffensive drones. I get that, if you're on the clock as a representative of a company, what you say obviously has to be controlled. Whether you're a cashier or a big money lawyer, you need to talk the right way. What I mean is that companies shouldn't be able to punish or discipline you for anything you say outside of work that doesn't reveal business secrets or badmouth the business.
And this thing where the NFL thinks you can take football players, who are crazy aggresive people, and regulate what they say on the field, is insane to me. And I mean insane literally. It's hard for me to believe this will work very well. And I don't know where they think they get the moral authority to do this. The racial component is, of course, impossible to ignore.
Oh, I agree that the rule is dumb, and borderline racist. But I just don't get your rationale. It appears to me the NFL is trying to regulate what players do and say on the field and in the locker room. How can you liken that to businesses monitoring what their employees say outside of work?
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To me, it's all part of a broader cultural trend. But it's too abstract for a Football thread, so I can't blame anyone for not caring.
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The NFL (or any sport league for that matter) isn't exactly your traditional work environment. Players are not actual employees of the team/franchise, they are simply under contract to perform duties. I'm not sure they should be held to the same standards as official employees - that's the point of being a contracted employee (in any industry/profession)... you don't have an employer to "tell" you what to do. Should their be a league-wide code of conduct? Yes. But spelling out a code of conduct down to specific words isn't necessary. Insults and trash talking is a given in pro sports. Why the NFL feels they need to regulate that aspect of the game I don't know.
This sets a slippery precedent... that all major sports leagues may have to follow. I'll be that the NBA isn't watching this very closely.
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All true.
What bothers me too is that I like when sports get gritty. I enjoyed Sherman's rant the moment I heard it. KG was fun because, at least when it came to his choice of words, he was a crazy person. I like watching tough defenses. The Niners/Seahawks game was great.
Unfortunately, it seems that sports viewership as a whole disagrees. Sports leagues become more sanitized all the time and people approve. For whatever reason, the public lumps all the things above with workplace bullying (clearly wrong) and playing dirty to intentionally hurt other players. Being tough and being a psychopath are not the same thing.
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Oh, I agree that the rule is dumb, and borderline racist.
Um, what? I think most would agree that the n-word is the most vile, racist word in the English language, and telling players not to say a racist word is somehow broderline racist? I can't wait to hear the rationale behind that.
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It's white people making black people talk a certain way.
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Oh, I agree that the rule is dumb, and borderline racist.
Um, what? I think most would agree that the n-word is the most vile, racist word in the English language, and telling players not to say a racist word is somehow broderline racist? I can't wait to hear the rationale behind that.
Except it's not, within certain communities, where the leadership of those communities even disagrees about the use of the world. I'm sure you'll find plenty of people of color against using the word, but there are even more (including community leadership) who use the word in an internal, non-racist way pretty consistently. No doubt, it's a delicate situation - obviously, DeSean Jackson using the word with LeSean McCoy is completely different than Riley Cooper using it with some security guards he doesn't like. But that delicacy is EXACTLY the reason why a broad sweeping new "rule" is NOT going to solve the problem.
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It's white people making black people talk a certain way.
In the workplace I can't call my fellow white co-workers Crackers...or white trash or rednecks without getting fired. As far as the "Workplace" is concerned, which as much as it's a unique workplace, professional sports locker rooms and playing fields are workplaces. As far as the non workplace is concerned it's always been a head scratcher to me how the n word is regarded as one of the most insulting words in the english language, yet inside the black community it's acceptable and really meaningless. Here again, I don't call my friends things that are considered racist, why would I? Cultural difference? Regardless....it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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It's not that there aren't serious issues with black people saying the n-word, even the 'a' version.
But it's not the place of authority figures to tell people how to talk.
Racial divides in this country still exist. Your experience dealing with the cops will be completely different based on race.
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It's white people making black people talk a certain way.
In the workplace I can't call my fellow white co-workers Crackers...or white trash or rednecks without getting fired. As far as the "Workplace" is concerned, which as much as it's a unique workplace, professional sports locker rooms and playing fields are workplaces. As far as the non workplace is concerned it's always been a head scratcher to me how the n word is regarded as one of the most insulting words in the english language, yet inside the black community it's acceptable and really meaningless. Here again, I don't call my friends things that are considered racist, why would I? Cultural difference? Regardless....it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I'd say it's an unfortunately double standard thanks to some really unfortunate history. I wish it'd go away.
Getting a bunch of suits and ties together to create a new rule "for everyone" isn't the way, though. It's not going to solve the problem.
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Getting a bunch of suits and ties together to create a new rule "for everyone" isn't the way, though. It's not going to solve the problem.
You are probably 100% correct PC. The problem has to be resolved within ourselves. BUT..... we have to take out the emotional aspect of it and look at it from the business standpoint. I think we all loathe the corporate entities...or the suits and ties as you called them. In the corporate world, if you allow such practices, it's almost guaranteed that the lawsuits won't be far behind. Like it or not, I think it has to apply to professional sports too. Look at what just happened with the Incognito ordeal. I don't know if anyone has done anything lawsuit wise yet...but If I were a betting man I'd say it will probably happen. The corporations have learned the painful ($$$$) lessons of not addressing such issues. That's why at my work, the HR department is bigger than the Safety department , and I work in one off the most dangerous environments there is (Oil Refinery)
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BUT..... we have to take out the emotional aspect of it and look at it from the business standpoint.
Narratives like this are the problem. Business shouldn't be put above respecting peoples' humanity.
In the corporate world, if you allow such practices, it's almost guaranteed that the lawsuits won't be far behind. Like it or not, I think it has to apply to professional sports too. Look at what just happened with the Incognito ordeal. I don't know if anyone has done anything lawsuit wise yet...but If I were a betting man I'd say it will probably happen. The corporations have learned the painful ($$$$) lessons of not addressing such issues. That's why at my work, the HR department is bigger than the Safety department , and I work in one off the most dangerous environments there is (Oil Refinery)
I didn't think of this, and it's a great point.
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Getting a bunch of suits and ties together to create a new rule "for everyone" isn't the way, though. It's not going to solve the problem.
You are probably 100% correct PC. The problem has to be resolved within ourselves. BUT..... we have to take out the emotional aspect of it and look at it from the business standpoint. I think we all loathe the corporate entities...or the suits and ties as you called them. In the corporate world, if you allow such practices, it's almost guaranteed that the lawsuits won't be far behind. Like it or not, I think it has to apply to professional sports too. Look at what just happened with the Incognito ordeal. I don't know if anyone has done anything lawsuit wise yet...but If I were a betting man I'd say it will probably happen. The corporations have learned the painful ($$$$) lessons of not addressing such issues. That's why at my work, the HR department is bigger than the Safety department , and I work in one off the most dangerous environments there is (Oil Refinery)
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. The thing is, this "rule" isn't going to solve any of whatever real issues that go on in the locker room. It's just another face-saving thing the NFL does to make itself look up-to-speed on issues people care about.
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It's not just for locker room reasons.
They're trying to make it appear that Football players aren't "thugs." Which is fine. Pander to overly straight laced people. At some point, they'll succeed in making Football so boring that no one wants to watch it.
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I agree that this won't solve the problem, but saying it is borderline racist? C'mon, let's be serious. It is not about white people telling black people what they can and cannot say, especially since the rule would be about anyone - black, white, hispanic, etc. - saying it; it is about the NFL trying to take a vile and racist word out of the game. Again, it won't solve the problem, but I think it comes from a good place.
CrimsonSunrise's post about it was really good, especially when looking at it from a HR point of view. In this day and age, when so many look to be offended by anything, why not do everything we can to get people to not say a word almost everyone considers vile?
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At some point, they'll succeed in making Football so boring that no one wants to watch it.
Yeah... they're heading towards that for sure. You have a lot of current and ex-NFL players and coaches saying the same thing. The game is changing in a lot of aspects, most of them not for the better. If the trends keep going the way they are, we might be watching flag football in 20 years.... :lol
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Addressing CS's point, is the cost of ignoring it from a HR standpoint greater than defending it in the inevitable 1st amendment case that'll pop up the first time somebody gets fined or suspended for something he said at a bar? I'm guessing not. Besides which, they might actually win a case against a disgruntled ex-player who felt slighted by his teammates, setting a nice precedent for them. I'm not sure the free speech angle is one they can win.
What really amuses me is that the average age of an NFL owner is probably over 60, and half of them are Southerners. You think this is really something that's troubling them from any perspective other than PR? I'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall during one of their meetings in light of this thing. :lol
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I agree that this won't solve the problem, but saying it is borderline racist? C'mon, let's be serious. It is not about white people telling black people what they can and cannot say, especially since the rule would be about anyone - black, white, hispanic, etc. - saying it
The reason the word isn't offensive to many black people is because black people have taken the racist meaning and power away from the word. Even if the rule is for everyone, taking the word away from the people who've flipped it is the same thing as reasserting power over the word's usage. The reason you can't take the word away from the group is the same reason no-one outside the group should say it: because doing so reasserts the oppressive power of the word.
CrimsonSunrise's post about it was really good, especially when looking at it from a HR point of view. In this day and age, when so many look to be offended by anything, why not do everything we can to get people to not say a word almost everyone considers vile?
Where are you getting that impression? It seems to me that the majority of players on the field in fact do not consider it vile at all. In fact, I imagine most of society doesn't consider it vile - when used properly. The thing is, like I was saying above, it's only not vile when it's being used correctly. But once you have people using it in a hateful way, or people from outside the group trying to get those within the group to stop using it, it becomes vile.
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What does being a Southerner have to do with it?
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When used properly? See, that is the problem. The word, when not "used properly," to use your term, sounds awful, vile and racist as hell, and since it is completely arbitrary as far as when it is used properly and when it is not, wouldn't the best solution be for no one to use it?
Imagine being a teenager nowadays and hearing the n-word in movies everywhere and in rap songs all over the place. You are gonna grow up thinking it is okay to say that word. And then, oops, you use it in a situation where other people deem it completely inappropriate, and suddenly you are racist, when you were simply using a word that music and film told you was okay to say. That is why it is a slippery slope: the rules seemingly change every four seconds as to when it is okay and not okay to say it, so the best thing is just to not say it all.
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Imagine being a teenager nowadays and hearing the n-word in movies everywhere and in rap songs all over the place. You are gonna grow up thinking it is okay to say that word. And then, oops, you use it in a situation where other people deem it completely inappropriate, and suddenly you are racist, when you were simply using a word that music and film told you was okay to say. That is why it is a slippery slope: the rules seemingly change every four seconds as to when it is okay and not okay to say it, so the best thing is just to not say it all.
I don't really have to imagine it, because it was already like that when I was a teenager a decade ago, and what you're describing was already going full-force.
I see where you're coming from, but in the end, the rule isn't going to help. Maybe the double standard will disappear eventually - but you're never going to stop people from using it off the field. And if it's just about holding players to professional standards, I have to agree with Barto that this is all about PR. The language use wasn't even what bothered me about the Icognito think, but more the general lifestyle and attitude about everything.
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Okay, so we are in agreement on that :tup :tup, but my hope was that maybe just talk of this rule would open up some eyes and get people to wonder if they really should be using the word, but instead there is now a backlash from many in the black community who are digging their heels in and saying, "No one is gonna tell me how to talk." It's disappointing, is all. This is an issue that could and should break down some race barriers - because, let's face it, there are still many out there - but it's almost having the opposite effect. :(
Also, I almost started a thread about this in P/R yesterday, because I thought it would be more appropriate there.
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What does being a Southerner have to do with it?
You don't think a Northerner and a Southerner both born in 1950 have differing views on what's reasonable racial terminology?
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The new Bucs uni uses a font inconsistent with the branding. A digital font for a team name with 17th century origins? That was not well thought out.
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What does being a Southerner have to do with it?
You don't think a Northerner and a Southerner both born in 1950 have differing views on what's reasonable racial terminology?
Probably. But, in what way, in your opinion?
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The new Bucs uni uses a font inconsistent with the branding. A digital font for a team name with 17th century origins? That was not well thought out.
agreed... they are horrendous, especially the numbers. That being said... on the ESPN poll being run folks seem to like them... :\
They have a number font that doesn't match in the slightest way with any other team. Too big of a leap in my book, and in the wrong direction.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Xp6qeAX.gif)
:lol seriously.
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:rollin
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:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during the design meetings for that atrocity :lol
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Nothing about it makes sense. It feels like a piece of concept art that leaked and they just decided to go with it.
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Lots of discussion in this part of the country about Kaepernick's countract. Steven A. even weighed in on it. Part of the discussion is what the top 5 highest paid QB's out there are making under their current contracts. Here is the data:
1. Jay Cutler: 7 years, 126.7M total ($54M guaranteed)
2. Joe Flacco: 6 years, $120.6M total ($51M guaranteed)
3. Aaron Rodgers: 5 years, $110M total ($55M guaranteed)
4. Tony Romo: 6 years, $108M total ($55M guaranteed)
5. Matt Ryan: 5 years, $103.75M total ($59M guaranteed)
If you break it down by year, each of these guys stands to make $18M-$21M per year. And after Cutler got his, the question is: Should Kaepernick get a contract in the $18M-$21M per year range?
As both a 49er fan and a Kaepernick fan, I have very mixed feelings and am not sure to answer that. If you asked me that question in isolation and the only data you gave me was Flacco's contract and Rodgers' contract, my answer would be "no." I love the guy. I think he's talented. He has already taken the team great places, and is only getting started. But Flacco is a veteran and has taken his team on to a Lombardy trophy, not to mention the fact that he is way overpaid. Rodgers also is a vet, has a rink, and is one of the elite QBs in the league. No way Kaep should get paid quite what those guys get paid, at least, not yet.
But then you throw the others into the equation. Should Kaepernick make at least as much as Cutler, Romo, and Ryan? In the abstract, absolutely. He has more playoff wins in 2 years than all three of them combined, and has a record of 21-8. Yes, he had a great team behind him that he could not have done those things without. But by the same token, I don't think Romo, Cutler, or Ryan takes this same team to 21-8 and gets to the Superbowl and then the NFC championship, and comes within a score of winning each of those.
Overall, my gut tells me that that kind of money just feel like too much for such a young QB. On the other hand, when comparing to Cutler, Romo, and Ryan, he has already accomplished more than them and should be getting paid comparably. I honestly don't know what the answer is or should be.
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No, his team has accomplished more than their teams have. I agree that Kaepernick should make as much as Cutler, but Romo or Ryan? No way. Those guys are way more accomplished (when looking at them as players, not team playoff wins) and better than Kaepernick at this point. But that stupid Cutler contract is gonna be an albatross for a lot of teams now, as a lot of middle of the road QBs are now gonna wanna big bucks, because, hey, if an average starter like Cutler can get a contract like that, why can't I?
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but Romo or Ryan? No way. Those guys are way more accomplished (when looking at them as players, not team playoff wins) and better than Kaepernick at this point.
How so? ???
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Year after year of consistently very good/great play by both. Even their "down" years (like Ryan's 2013 or Romo 2012) were still pretty darn good.
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AP wants Vick on the Vikings.
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AP wants Vick on the Vikings.
He'll be disappointed. I think Vick was unfairly ragged on while he was an Eagle, but outside the 2010 season he never showed he had what it takes to make it to the promised land.
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News from NOLA today is that the Saints are willing to entertain trade offers for Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore. I'm horrified -- it's not like the offense is in a rebuilding year. Why dumping so much talent?? Sproles would be the toughest loss.... :tdwn
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News from NOLA today is that the Saints are willing to entertain trade offers for Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore. I'm horrified -- it's not like the offense is in a rebuilding year. Why dumping so much talent?? Sproles would be the toughest loss.... :tdwn
I've heard it stems from their not-so-good salary cap situation. Especially if they're gonna shell out a huge contract for Jimmy Graham. I think the Saints could do fine without them too. Moore was injured almost all of last year, and if Mark Ingram plays like he did against Philly then he could be a solid starter. Sproles is a key part of their offense though. Losing him would hurt.
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News from NOLA today is that the Saints are willing to entertain trade offers for Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore. I'm horrified -- it's not like the offense is in a rebuilding year. Why dumping so much talent?? Sproles would be the toughest loss.... :tdwn
Yep. Given the depth of our offense and Brees' exceptional talent, there is no universe where Graham is worth committing running back suicide by getting rid of the most versatile RB in the league, Sproles, and the best screen pass executor in the league, Thomas. I really hope they have such a shitty outing with this venture that they back out of it and retain both while playing chicken with Graham and hoping we can keep him with whatever we can reasonably afford to pay him. He's awesome but those two or three games where he disappeared last year make me too scared to safely assume it was more to blame on the foot injury he was playing through than teams just effectively clipping his wings.
I've heard it stems from their not-so-good salary cap situation. Especially if they're gonna shell out a huge contract for Jimmy Graham. I think the Saints could do fine without them too. Moore was injured almost all of last year, and if Mark Ingram plays like he did against Philly then he could be a solid starter. Sproles is a key part of their offense though. Losing him would hurt.
Ingram's had 3 breakout games in his entire time here. There's just no sane rationale for gambling on him while chopping our dick off in the RB screen game since MI has been nothing short of terrible at it.
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No, his team has accomplished more than their teams have. I agree that Kaepernick should make as much as Cutler, but Romo or Ryan? No way. Those guys are way more accomplished (when looking at them as players, not team playoff wins) and better than Kaepernick at this point. But that stupid Cutler contract is gonna be an albatross for a lot of teams now, as a lot of middle of the road QBs are now gonna wanna big bucks, because, hey, if an average starter like Cutler can get a contract like that, why can't I?
Agreed on all points, but I'd add that I wouldn't want to be signing Kaepernick to a 5-7 contract, either. To be honest, I'd consider this a make or break year for the entire team (and I think they're in for a letdown, but that's something of a hunch) and if the rest of the team falters then we'll see what Kaepernick is really worth. From what I've seen he's looking for 20+/year, which would be well above any of the elite group (behind only Cutler and Eli) and he's happy to play this season cheap to explore the FA market next year. Were it me, I'd take that cheap year as a continuation of his tryout and if it works out this year then pay him fairly. If he wants to bolt for an extra 1.2/year, so be it; selfish bastard.
And I had no idea about Cutler's contract, but your'e right. Half the QB's in the league can lay claim to deserving more than Cutler.
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The Cutler contract is an inexplicable disaster.
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ESPN says the Saints will release Sproles if they can't trade him.
That's a fake story, right? No way they can be that dumb.
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Nope lol
Lance Moore was cut too, although I nothing about how good a player he is, just the fact that he was cut from the Saints as well.
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Lance Moore's Hingle McCringleberry touchdown dance in a Saints uniform was so awesome.
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ESPN says the Saints will release Sproles if they can't trade him.
That's a fake story, right? No way they can be that dumb.
I wish it was fake ... but it's not. :sadpanda: can't believe they released Sproles. This is gonna hurt....
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I have no fucking idea what the Saints' front office has been smoking. This is deplorable.
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I thought I just recently heard that Graham was possibly on the auction block as well. Is that true?
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No, he got the franchise tag, and part of the reason that the Saints have to make space, even though he's not happy with the players being cut. I find that kind of funny.
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No, he got the franchise tag, and part of the reason that the Saints have to make space, even though he's not happy with the players being cut. I find that kind of funny.
I find it ironic, and he's got no one to blame but his own greed. I'm not saying he's a greedy person, but clearly if the Saints have to cut other salary to pay his, he places more importance on his salary than keeping those teammates.
I never really followed the contracts, so imagine my shock to see Cutler and Romo with that kind of money. I disagree with the notion that Romo is a top tier QB. He's had moments of excellence, but I wouldn't say he's any better than Cutler. While I don't like Flacco, and think he's over-rated, other than this year, the results speak for themselves. Ryan is severely overpaid too.
But, that's shrewd negotiating on all their parts... get the contract after you have your best year. Teams are dumb that way... assuming the players will always perform at (or at least near) that level.
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I've always wondered if Jerry Jones stayed out of the football operations in Dallas and their had a good GM how much better would they and Romo Be? Sometimes amassing talent don't equate to wins.
Though in the Pats D, I'd love for them to spend the money for one and get Revis. That and one, speedy outside receiver is the 2 most glaring needs.
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I find it ironic, and he's got no one to blame but his own greed. I'm not saying he's a greedy person, but clearly if the Saints have to cut other salary to pay his, he places more importance on his salary than keeping those teammates.
The attitude of players is that their careers are too short and too uncertain to pass up money. What if Cutler shattered his knee the first game of next season? He wouldn't be regretting that guaranteed 54 million then.
But, that's shrewd negotiating on all their parts... get the contract after you have your best year. Teams are dumb that way... assuming the players will always perform at (or at least near) that level.
Definitely. The reality is, agents are professional negotiators and GMs tend to come up through the front office. What side is going to be naturally better at negotiating? It's why you see a lot of bad contracts but very few good ones.
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I disagree with the notion that Romo is a top tier QB. He's had moments of excellence, but I wouldn't say he's any better than Cutler.
His contract aside, I don't think anybody thinks Romo is a top tier QB. Most would agree that the top tier consists of Peyton, Rodgers, Brady and Brees. I'd put Romo in the top 10, albeit near the bottom.
As for Romo and Cutler, Romo is definitely better. Since Cutler's first full season as a starter (2007):
Cutler: 146 touchdowns, 107 INTs, and has a career YPA of 7.2
Romo: 189 touchdowns, 88 INTs, and has a career YPA of 7.8
Even last season, Cutler was outplayed badly by a QB on his own team, as Josh McCown looked far better throwing to those weapons than Cutler did.
It really isn't close.
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By "top tier", I was purposefully not saying "elite". Yes, we all know the top 5 (in my mind that equals elite). I'd struggle to put him top 10. It's his consistency (er... lack of) that kills him.
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Soooo speaking of terrible uniforms....L.A. KISS.....take at look the arena league's newest teams getup
(https://i.imgur.com/pgmisnx.png)
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It's like the AFL parodied itself in both team name and uni. I definitely am enamored with how they seem to relish taking the piss as a foil to the No Fun League. Also, for a team like that playing in Cali, I'm surprised they ain't based out of SF.
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By "top tier", I was purposefully not saying "elite". Yes, we all know the top 5 (in my mind that equals elite). I'd struggle to put him top 10. It's his consistency (er... lack of) that kills him.
I wouldn't consider Romo inconsistent at all. He has the occasional bad game, like every other QB, and he has an issue with choking. But by and large he plays at a very good level most of the time. Nobody plays at a great level all of the time.
And Gene Simmons should just fucking die already.
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Soooo speaking of terrible uniforms....L.A. KISS.....take at look the arena league's newest teams getup
(https://i.imgur.com/pgmisnx.png)
That's awesome (for an Arena League team.)
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And the Panthers are looking to trade Steve Smith. *weeps*
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It's like the AFL parodied itself in both team name and uni. I definitely am enamored with how they seem to relish taking the piss as a foil to the No Fun League. Also, for a team like that playing in Cali, I'm surprised they ain't based out of SF.
Actually, this is *EXACTLY* why I think I'm jumping on board with the AFL this year. I've never really followed it, but it does just have that light-hearted "not quite as serious" feel to it. And I really like that.
It's like being a fan of the Lingerie Football League, but without having to make a long list of explanations and excuses that are only going to be met with an eyeroll. :rollin
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I've been a fan of the AFL off and on since discovering it in '91. If you think any less than 95% of the people you try to discuss it with aren't gonna roll their eyes at you, you're woefully optimistic.
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A vendor gave me some tickets to an arena game a few years ago. The cheerleaders were more interesting than the game, and the highlight was Drew Pearson being in the audience and getting an ovation. The game itself was just taking turns throwing long touchdown passes and see who scores last. Think ours was 49-42 or something.
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I went to a few Orlando Predators games, and it was alright. And going off from what El Barto said, i saw no strategy in the game like I'm used to watching NFL or NCAA games. AFL to me was more about the spectacle of the sport rather than the sport itself, and it looks L.A. KISS is going to capitalize on it.
I want to go to opening night just to see if the band plays!
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A vendor gave me some tickets to an arena game a few years ago. The cheerleaders were more interesting than the game, and the highlight was Drew Pearson being in the audience and getting an ovation. The game itself was just taking turns throwing long touchdown passes and see who scores last. Think ours was 49-42 or something.
So...basketball? :xbones
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A vendor gave me some tickets to an arena game a few years ago. The cheerleaders were more interesting than the game, and the highlight was Drew Pearson being in the audience and getting an ovation. The game itself was just taking turns throwing long touchdown passes and see who scores last. Think ours was 49-42 or something.
So...basketball? :xbones
lol
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The game probably seems a bit less strategic since it's somewhat of the polar opposite of the NFL. In an NFL game a team usually score 3-5 times (counting field goals) whereas in an AFL game teams usually only stop the other team 3-5 times so there's a greater urgency to score since allowing a score on defense is the expected outcome so you can't afford to fall behind.
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NO! The 49ers let Whitner go... :(
EDIT: Never mind. :D
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The game itself was just taking turns throwing long touchdown passes and see who scores last. Think ours was 49-42 or something.
So .... it was a pretty low-scoring game for Arena League. :lol
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Eagles sign Malcolm Jenkins. Like the move. Didn't have to break the break, and he's a definite upgrade over Patrick Chung.
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Well crap. The bloodletting in New Orleans continues. Enjoy Jenkins, Tom -- he's still on the upswing. No idea why the Saints let him get away. Not sure who's left on the roster at this point. Oh yeah, that's right:
(https://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1239466_606241219450840_1458955146_n.jpg)
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Jermichael Finley is flying into Seattle tonight for negotiations.
Hasn't he been hurt really bad lately? Not sure how I feel about this.
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Saints sign Jarius Byrd. He's a great player, but I don't understand why the Saints let all those players go and then spend a ton on one guy. At least for rickhawk and bf it will help ease the pain of losing all those players.
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No it won't. As of the Byrd signing, this offseason has basically been like cutting off a few fingers, giving up a kidney, lung, and gall bladder in order to fund a quarter-inch cock enlargement procedure. Our front office is outsmarting themselves to a dumbfounding extent and we're gonna have a quasi-rebuilding year due to inevitable lack of cohesion and growing pains instead of the 12 or 13 win year we had a legit shot at if we hadn't mortgaged the next two years for Graham.
(https://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1239466_606241219450840_1458955146_n.jpg)
:rollin
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this offseason has basically been like cutting off a few fingers, giving up a kidney, lung, and gall bladder in order to fund a quarter-inch cock enlargement procedure.
So you're saying it was worth it?
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this offseason has basically been like cutting off a few fingers, giving up a kidney, lung, and gall bladder in order to fund a quarter-inch cock enlargement procedure.
So you're saying it was worth it?
:lol :lol I'm laughing on the outside but crying inside. Floyd is right -- the loss of Sproles is going to be HUGE. He's going to make some other team very happy next season....
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this offseason has basically been like cutting off a few fingers, giving up a kidney, lung, and gall bladder in order to fund a quarter-inch cock enlargement procedure.
So you're saying it was worth it?
I knew this response was imminent when I posted that :lol
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Saints sign Jarius Byrd. He's a great player, but I don't understand why the Saints let all those players go and then spend a ton on one guy. At least for rickhawk and bf it will help ease the pain of losing all those players.
That signing does explain why they let Malcom Jenkins leave for your team, Tom. ;)
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Jon Martin traded to 49ers. Probably the best opportunity for him. Hope he makes the best of it.
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Jon Martin traded to 49ers. Probably the best opportunity for him. Hope he makes the best of it.
Why is it the best opportunity for him? There's a fair amount of ego floating around there. A coach who's a possible nutjob. Pre-existing drama in the locker-room. A possible coaching change. Not saying you're wrong, but it doesn't strike me as a good fit for a guy with depression and self-esteem issues.
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Not sure I like the Broncos overpaying like that for Talib, but it's obvious they are pushing all their chips in to win a title before Peyton is finished.
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Not sure I like the Broncos overpaying like that for Talib, but it's obvious they are pushing all their chips in to win a title before Peyton is finished.
Sorry to see him leave NE.
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That ought to be a fun first team meeting with Welker.
If Denver can get Ware too... that's gonna be a massive improvement on their D with him and Miller rushing opposing QBs all season.
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I heard they're pursuing Pat Swilling but can't find any sites to confirm it yet. Stay tuned...
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Jon Martin traded to 49ers. Probably the best opportunity for him. Hope he makes the best of it.
Why is it the best opportunity for him? There's a fair amount of ego floating around there. A coach who's a possible nutjob. Pre-existing drama in the locker-room. A possible coaching change. Not saying you're wrong, but it doesn't strike me as a good fit for a guy with depression and self-esteem issues.
Harbaugh was interviewed for the Wells report and spoke very highly of him. Whatever the facts, a lot of people are probably questioning Martin. With the 49ers, he gets to be part of a winning culture with a coach who's done a good job with him in the past.
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That ought to be a fun first team meeting with Welker.
If Denver can get Ware too... that's gonna be a massive improvement on their D with him and Miller rushing opposing QBs all season.
I don't remember Talib crying about the hit - that was all Belichick, IIRC - so I think it will be fine.
Their D should be improved, with or without Ware, but Decker's imminent departure will be a big loss.
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Broncos also got TJ Ward. Their secondary should be much improved.
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As an Eagles fan, my hope is that the team doesn't make any big, splashy signings. Keep building slowly and organically. Don't sign any bad contracts. Of all teams, the Eagles should know that you can't just buy your way into a Super Bowl.
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Jon Martin traded to 49ers. Probably the best opportunity for him. Hope he makes the best of it.
Why is it the best opportunity for him? There's a fair amount of ego floating around there. A coach who's a possible nutjob. Pre-existing drama in the locker-room. A possible coaching change. Not saying you're wrong, but it doesn't strike me as a good fit for a guy with depression and self-esteem issues.
??? I think you're thinking of the Cowboys. I'll give you the "possible nutjob" issue, since I can see where that perception may be there from the outside. But I have no idea what you mean about "ego," "pre-existing drama in the locker-room," or "a possible coaching change." None of those issues exist in SF.
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Talib to Denver.
That hurts.
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This is the kind of signing I love.
"The #Eagles and free-agent S/special teams ace Chris Maragos agreed on a 3-year, $4 M deal, with $1 M guaranteed, per source." (https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/443709998783537153)
Cheap, speculative deal with high upside.
Keep at it Roseman!
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They also just signed Houston LB (but mainly special teamer) Bryan Braman to essentially the same deal.
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Nice.
I like the Eagles going out and signing special teams guys. It shows an evolution from the dream team mentality, when they signed big name guys and neglected the smaller roles.
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Eagles signed Malcolm Jenkins to a 3 year 16.25 million deal with 8.5 million guaranteed.
I like it. He's apparently a good player and the deal is very reasonable.
Black Floyd, what do you think of this?
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I think you can go eat a fuckin raw onion.
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I think you can go eat a fuckin raw onion.
So this means he's a good player?
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Not 100% sure how I feel about Denver's strategy. They're close enough to title contention for it to be valid, but they're eating up all their cap room with like two or three guys. What if one of them gets injured? What if the other players are so bad that having Miller, Ware, and Talib doesnt matter?
Also, wasn't Denver's offensive line not very good last year? Shouldn't they be trying to improve there?
And also, aren't they a little too willing it seems to let Decker go? Their other receivers are fantastic, but you don't dump arguably your 1st or 2nd best one.
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Not 100% sure how I feel about Denver's strategy. They're close enough to title contention for it to be valid, but they're eating up all their cap room with like two or three guys. What if one of them gets injured? What if the other players are so bad that having Miller, Ware, and Talib doesnt matter?
They saved a ton by cutting Champ Bailey, so they are actually not in as bad a cap space as you would have thought. Talib will be making slightly less in 2014 than Bailey would have. Granted, this is gonna bit them in the ass when they have tons of dead cap space in a few years, but they are going all in to try and win one before Peyton is finished.
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Granted, this is gonna bit them in the ass when they have tons of dead cap space in a few years, but they are going all in to try and win one before Peyton is finished.
It's not all bad. Peyton's making 20 mil a year. That's a lot of cap room to get back when he's done.
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I hope they can do it (unless, of course, they are playing the '9ers).
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Keep in mind though that Demaryius Thomas and Julius Thomas are both still playing on their rookie contracts, and paying them, especially Demaryius, will not be cheap.
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Keep in mind though that Demaryius Thomas and Julius Thomas are both still playing on their rookie contracts, and paying them, especially Demaryius, will not be cheap.
Very true. You have to plan out your future cap management, or else you end up like the Saints or the Cowboys.
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You know, I just realized that I've been running this forum for a LONG time, and my contract hasn't come up for renewal. I think I'm going to test the market myself. DTF, I am hereby announcing my free agency! If you want to keep me, I think it's time to pony up the cash!
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What if we start direct delivering bacon to your house?
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I don't deal in "what if?" Show me the pork!
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Wait, hold on. This isn't my fault. They told me they sent a truck and the package was delivered successfuly.
Look, they sent me this picture!
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3676/13111037244_8a932af6e7_o.png)
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I think you can go eat a fuckin raw onion.
So this means he's a good player?
Not great but worked better in our system than I expect whomever replaces him to.
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Wait, hold on. This isn't my fault. They told me they sent a truck and the package was delivered successfuly.
Look, they sent me this picture!
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3676/13111037244_8a932af6e7_o.png)
Oh. Well, okay then. I guess that takes care of it.
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(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/BaconGif.gif)
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See, this right here is why I never have any money.
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(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/homesweethome.jpg)
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Tampa just released Revis. Got damn.
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Not unexpected. I wonder who will pick him up.
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New England, perhaps (pls no).
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Revis is a good pickup on the right contract. The problem is, a team's probably willing to overpay for him, which makes his market value unrealistically high.
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You know, I just realized that I've been running this forum for a LONG time, and my contract hasn't come up for renewal. I think I'm going to test the market myself. DTF, I am hereby announcing my free agency! If you want to keep me, I think it's time to pony up the cash!
2 words......
CAP ...... CASUALTY :lol ;)
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You know, I just realized that I've been running this forum for a LONG time, and my contract hasn't come up for renewal. I think I'm going to test the market myself. DTF, I am hereby announcing my free agency! If you want to keep me, I think it's time to pony up the cash!
2 words......
CAP ...... CASUALTY :lol ;)
2 more words....
Franchise...Tag! ;D
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“I probably shouldn’t even say this right now but I’m going to say it anyway just because I love Seattle, honestly, I would rather take a little less to be happy and win ball games than to take way more and go to a crappy city where the fans don’t give a crap about the team. You win a game once a month or something like that. I would much rather stay in the situation that I have now for a little less than to go and try to break the bank somewhere else,” - Golden Tate(Feb 4, 2014)
He just signed a 5 year deal with the Lions.
EDIT: 5 years $31 Million, with $13 Million guaranteed. I guess the money kinda did matter after all.
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Sports radio is blowing up here in Boston that Revis is going to sign with the Pats from inside sources but I'll believe it when it is official. That would be awesome.
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Ravens resign Eugene Monroe and Jacoby Jones (and Dennis Pitta a while back). I'm happy!
Denver's spending some money on some old defensive players. Maybe they should have looked to improve that O-Line. Or maybe they're hoping that they don't have so many injuries next year. It also looks like they're letting Decker go get 1st WR money somewhere.
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I wanna play WR on the same team as him so we can demolish opposing secondaries as black_ and Decker.
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From Adam Schefter:
CB Darrelle Revis and the New England Patriots have reached agreement on a one-year, $12 million deal, league sources told ESPN.
WOOOOOOOT!!!!
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From Adam Schefter:
CB Darrelle Revis and the New England Patriots have reached agreement on a one-year, $12 million deal, league sources told ESPN.
WOOOOOOOT!!!!
Congrats.
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:lol
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You know, prior to the SB - when I figured Denver was a shoe in - I thought Decker should go to the Seahawks and become their #1, then he's got a real chance at winning back-to-back rings with different teams. Well, we all know how that turned out this year. With Tate proving himself to be a complete hypocrite in less than 5 weeks, I can totally see Decker going to Seattle.
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You know, prior to the SB - when I figured Denver was a shoe in - I thought Decker should go to the Seahawks and become their #1, then he's got a real chance at winning back-to-back rings with different teams. Well, we all know how that turned out this year. With Tate proving himself to be a complete hypocrite in less than 5 weeks, I can totally see Decker going to Seattle.
Too late. News reporting that he just went to the Jets...
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You know, prior to the SB - when I figured Denver was a shoe in - I thought Decker should go to the Seahawks and become their #1, then he's got a real chance at winning back-to-back rings with different teams. Well, we all know how that turned out this year. With Tate proving himself to be a complete hypocrite in less than 5 weeks, I can totally see Decker going to Seattle.
Too late. News reporting that he just went to the Jets...
:jets:
From Manning to Geno. What a downgrade. 5 years; $36.25. Guess it is all about the coin ladies and gentlemen.
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Even though I dislike Tate cause he is a hot-dogging d-bag, I am not sure he is a hypocrite. It sounds like Seattle wasn't that keen on keeping him, and once the Lions made the offer, he probably figured why not. Considering he's not even that good (but hell, I could catch 50 balls playing with Megatron drawing double and triple coverage all day), it is hard to blame him for accepting an offer that good.
As for Decker, what a dumbass. If he had gotten close to 10 mil a year, like was rumored he might get, then okay, but I gotta believe that other teams could have offered him just as much, yet he picks the Jets to go to? His career is dead in the water now.
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As for Decker, what a dumbass. If he had gotten close to 10 mil a year, like was rumored he might get, then okay, but I gotta believe that other teams could have offered him just as much, yet he picks the Jets to go to? His career is dead in the water now.
There's a few things we don't know:
- How much were other teams offering?
- How much of Decker's Jets contract is guaranteed?
- Is the Jets contract front-loaded in some way.
I agree this looks bad. He signed to play with Geno Smith for not very much money. But we don't totally know why.
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Eagles trade 5th rounder for Darren Sproles! Very excited to see what Chip has in store for him.
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As for Decker, what a dumbass. If he had gotten close to 10 mil a year, like was rumored he might get, then okay, but I gotta believe that other teams could have offered him just as much, yet he picks the Jets to go to? His career is dead in the water now.
There's a few things we don't know:
- How much were other teams offering?
- How much of Decker's Jets contract is guaranteed?
- Is the Jets contract front-loaded in some way.
I agree this looks bad. He signed to play with Geno Smith for not very much money. But we don't totally know why.
My brother told me he read (possibly on twitter, so who knows how reliable it is :lol) that Decker's wife really wants to live in NY. Sounds like a dumb reason, but if you've ever seen his wife, I'd probably do what she wants me to do, too. :rollin :rollin
Eagles trade 5th rounder for Darren Sproles! Very excited to see what Chip has in store for him.
That Eagles offense is gonna be scary. McCoy, Sproles, D. Jackson, Maclin and Cooper is a nightmare of collective skill position players for DCs to prepare for.
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As for Decker, what a dumbass. If he had gotten close to 10 mil a year, like was rumored he might get, then okay, but I gotta believe that other teams could have offered him just as much, yet he picks the Jets to go to? His career is dead in the water now.
There's a few things we don't know:
- How much were other teams offering?
- How much of Decker's Jets contract is guaranteed?
- Is the Jets contract front-loaded in some way.
I agree this looks bad. He signed to play with Geno Smith for not very much money. But we don't totally know why.
I sometimes think the agents and players union push the players into bad situations because they don't want contract values subdued in any way.
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I guess the Raiders had buyers remorse :lol All I know is I'm glad we got him back.
https://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6716/rams-get-saffold-back-in-wild-fashion
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Upon further review, the Broncos won't be in cap hell in a few years like I originally assumed. Elway is doing a great job at managing the cap, while making sure the future isn't being mortgaged. Keep in mind that, assuming he retires in the next couple years, Peyton's salary will be coming off the books, so that will be a huge number off the cap.
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Peyton's salary will be coming off the books, so that will be a huge number off the cap.
I would figure that's in the organizations mind with regards to the next few years and their Cap.
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Oh boy.......
https://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10602481/vince-wilfork-asks-new-england-patriots-release
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New England, perhaps (pls no).
COOL MAN ANY OTHER PREDICTIONS YOU WANNA MAKE?
LIKE ERIC DECKER TO THE LOLJETS???
....UGH
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Man, fuck the Saints' front office. Why don't they just abduct the entire fan base at gun point and have us blow Philly's fans?
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Man, fuck the Saints' front office. Why don't they just abduct the entire fan base at gun point and have us blow Philly's fans?
Foles and three firsts for Drew Brees?
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Man, fuck the Saints' front office. Why don't they just abduct the entire fan base at gun point and have us blow Philly's fans?
Foles and three firsts for Drew Brees?
I think you can go eat a fuckin raw onion.
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Nah we don't want to give up a whole bunch for their great players when they'll just give us their good players for free anyway. :P
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I'm gonna guess the Panthers have some tricks up their sleeves for getting Cam Newton, you know, someone EXPERIENCED to throw the ball to. :lol After cutting Steve Smith and some other losses in free agency, who the hell do they have left?
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Seahawks are rumored to be interested in re-signing Sydney Rice after cutting him. Another rumor is that they have their eyes on Steve Smith....
I don't think there was ever any doubt that we needed some bigger targets for Wilson. If Harvin is the center of attention, he's going to get KILLED.
I don't know much about Smith, other than he's talented enough to put up some decent fantasy numbers. Is he a big target, or another little squirrely guy like Welker?
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I want Steve Smith to go to the Saints so he can face the Panthers twice a year and we can see all of that blood and guts he was talking about. :lol :lol
That aside, Smith is still good, but not really a number 1 anymore. If he catches on as a number 2 somewhere, I think he can get back to approaching 1,000 yards and scoring 6+ times.
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RAVENS SIGN STEVE SMITH!!!
Signing him, while re-signing Dennis Pitta, Eugene Monroe, Jacoby Jones and Daryl Smith, is a hell of a job!
Rapoport reporting that Smith canceled a trip to New England because he was so impressed with the Ravens!
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Great pick up DOC!
And now I give you the greatest Youtube video I have ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9sKBffJp8&feature=youtu.be
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RAVENS SIGN STEVE SMITH!!!
Signing him, while re-signing Dennis Pitta, Eugene Monroe, Jacoby Jones and Daryl Smith, is a hell of a job!
Rapoport reporting that Smith canceled a trip to New England because he was so impressed with the Ravens!
Congratulations, man. I hope you enjoy him as much as I have.
Fucking Panthers.
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Great pick up DOC!
And now I give you the greatest Youtube video I have ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9sKBffJp8&feature=youtu.be
Kinda don't know what to say after watching that.
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I did the same thing. Jaw dropped but it's so well done. :lol
Edit:
After the 4 game suspension 3 year 17 mil.
https://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10609698/new-england-patriots-brandon-browner-reach-agreement-deal
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Damn that's a fearsome cornerback tandem
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Dolphins signed Fannegan or however you spell it.
Dat CB duo. I love Grimes so much. Looks like our D is gonna be great, though we could use maybe another LB
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Panthers have lost all of their WRs and half of their secondary. And they aren't doing really anything in free agency.
They won't be worth dick next season.
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According to overthecap.com, the Panthers only have 4.5 mil in cap space. Poor salary management has come back to bite them.
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Yeah, they'd just found their way out of the wilderness and looked really good, and bad salary management is going to undercut them big time.
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According to overthecap.com, the Panthers only have 4.5 mil in cap space. Poor salary management has come back to bite them.
They spent a lot of money on those RBs that their coaching staff never used enough or correctly. :lol :lol :lol
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Don't talk about Tim Biakabutuka that way.
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jeff van gundy gif
This is the greatest thing I have ever seen. Thank you.
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Don't talk about Tim Biakabutuka that way.
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Pats sign Julian Edelman. Excellent!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24485631/patriots-wr-julian-edelman-agree-to-terms
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The Packers D seems like it's getting right back on track! The signing is Julius Peppers is a FANTASTIC move....although I hope Dom Capers isn't an idiot and uses him more as a DE instead of replacing Clay Matthews. Those two together, plus resigning Sam Shield and BJ Raji (and putting him back in the Nose position) are going to an exciting defense that will compliment an already established exciting offense
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jeff van gundy gif
This is the greatest thing I have ever seen. Thank you.
JVG and his brother both seem like such deeply unhappy people. It's weird.
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Jeff is a whimsical hoot with a delightfully dry sense of humor. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.
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According to overthecap.com, the Panthers only have 4.5 mil in cap space. Poor salary management has come back to bite them.
Yes, I know. And they never even discussed contract rearrangement with Steve Smith. They just cut him. Meanwhile, Ted Ginn Jr. signs with the Cardinals, and Brandon LaFell signs with the Patriots (although why they wanted him, I have no idea; my personal nickname for him was LaFail). So the WR corps goes from a weakness to nonexistent.
Go Panthers.
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The Pats have a history of signing LSU players.
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The Pats have a history of signing LSU players.
Yes they did. It's more of a coach that BB trusts. We went hog wild picking Rutgers players of late.
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E. Sanders to the Broncos.
LaFell to the Patriots.
So basically, both signed an inconsistent WR who has a problem catching catchable balls.
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James Jones goes from playing for the Packers and catching passes from Aaron Rodgers to playing for the Raiders. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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James Jones goes from playing for the Packers and catching passes from Aaron Rodgers to playing for the Raiders. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Man....Cardinals snag Cromartie. With him and Petersen as book ends? Oh boy...like It wasn't already an uphill battle for my Rams in the NFC West... :lol Add to that, looks like Jared Allen might fall to the Hawks.
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Tons of rumors about Eagles trying to trade Desean Jackson :facepalm: I can understand his personality is kind of difficult and the team may not like that, but I think he is far more important to the Eagles offense than his stats indicate. The mere threat of him getting behind a defense means less defenders against McCoy. I would really hate to see him go.
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I think the biggest issue for the Eagles is Jackson's attitude. He has a reputation for complaining about money and being a hot head. In terms of money, it's clear from the deals they're signing that the Eagles are very concerned about cap management, and don't want players to feel dissatisfied with their contracts. Attitude wise, DeSean can be a bit of a punk. Compare that to the culture the Eagles want, where Michael Vick of all people is admitting Foles deserves to start and handling it gracefully.
As a fellow Eagles fan, I don't think we have to talk about how shitty and miserable the last two Andy Reid years were. The egos. The laze. The bad attitudes. I don't know how to explain how miserable it was to a non-Eagles fan. I suspect that Howie/Kelly are very conscious of making sure the team's culture prevents something like that from ever happening again. I don't think they're pushing Jackson out the door, but if they can get good value for him he's gone.
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Oh I agree. I just think that his production on the field is worth it. It's not like he's been in trouble with the law, he just occasionally makes it all about himself. I can live with that if he's getting 1300 yards.
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I never root for anyone to get hurt, but, considering what a hot-dogging punk he is, I didn't shed a tear when DeSean Jackson got blown up by a big hit in that game against Atlanta a few years back. if ever a WR deserved to have his teeth knocked out by a head-hunting safety, it is Jackson.
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I kinda agree. Unless, of course, he comes to the 49ers. Then he is totally "our guy." :biggrin:
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The Panthers signed Jericho Cotchery and are apparently looking to possibly trade for DeSean Jackson. Not sure how I feel about either move.
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I never root for anyone to get hurt, but, considering what a hot-dogging punk he is, I didn't shed a tear when DeSean Jackson got blown up by a big hit in that game against Atlanta a few years back. if ever a WR deserved to have his teeth knocked out by a head-hunting safety, it is Jackson.
I feel that way about Golden Taint for his taunting against the Rams last year....
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Raiders get Matt Schaub!!! That's finally a step in the right direction.
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It's going to take a lot more than him to turn them around. Even Palmer couldn't do it.
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The Panthers signed Jericho Cotchery and are apparently looking to possibly trade for DeSean Jackson. Not sure how I feel about either move.
I really wish the Steelers would have kept Cotchery. He's not a #1, but he's a solid slot receiver and a consummate professional, team first player. A rarity at the WR position.
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I renounce my Jets. That ghetto thug will bring his karma to the Jets and they will never win. Go Big Blue! Fuckn digusted! :censored:
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I renounce my Jets. That ghetto thug will bring his karma to the Jets and they will never win. Go Big Blue! Fuckn digusted! :censored:
Dude what?
I have two dogs. My opinion of Vick doesn't come from a detached perspective.
He put in his time in federal prison. Real federal prison, not bullshit rich people prison. He came out and has been consistently contrite for the years. During his time with the Eagles, he worked his ass off. In a final act of class, he wholeheartedly supported Foles starting.
I can't say I necessarily like Vick. Certain things are impossible to forget. But calling him a ghetto thug is totally wrong. His journey is worth respecting.
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I renounce my Jets. That ghetto thug will bring his karma to the Jets and they will never win. Go Big Blue! Fuckn digusted! :censored:
If you followed the eagles at all you would realize that Mike Vick is one of the very very few people who actually changed after his time in prison. Normally, they'll say all the right things to the media but they'll continue being exactly who they were before. Vick is not like that at all. He's turned into one of the nicest, most professional men in football. Learn to forgive, bro.
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I would renounce the Jets for the fact that Vick can't stay on the field. Glass jaw and not worth the money anymore.
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I've seen 1st hand what he did to those dogs. The lucky ones did not survive. He deserves no forgiveness, no 2nd chance. He's a murdering scumbag that death is to good for.
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I've seen 1st hand what he did to those dogs. The lucky ones did not survive. He deserves no forgiveness, no 2nd chance. He's a murdering scumbag that death is to good for.
I'm sorry you have to go through this with your team, I feel your pain. If he went to my Rams, I'd boycott them till he was gone.
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This is the first I've seen of Jets fans being upset about Vick, and I read a lot of comments online about football. Kinda weird.
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I just think they should be upset because he can't play anymore.
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I've seen 1st hand what he did to those dogs. The lucky ones did not survive. He deserves no forgiveness, no 2nd chance. He's a murdering scumbag that death is to good for.
I tend to agree with this. It's not like he had an epiphany one day and decided to change his life for the better. It took a federal investigation, and he was only "sorry" after he got caught. Pathetic.
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Hmm.
I am a Dolphins fan and would love to have Incognito back on the team. It ain't gonna happen but he's a great O-line man. I also think he could change his behavior. So many on the team supported him throughout the scandal.
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The bigger problem with Vick is that he is just not that good. He'll have the occasional great game, but if it's consistency you are looking for, he is not the answer. He cannot stay healthy and is a turnover machine.
Raiders get Matt Schaub!!! That's finally a step in the right direction.
That shows what a sad state of affairs it is in Oakland when Matt Schaub is considered a step in the right direction (considering the severe dropoff in Schaub's play last year).
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Hmm.
I am a Dolphins fan and would love to have Incognito back on the team. It ain't gonna happen but he's a great O-line man. I also think he could change his behavior. So many on the team supported him throughout the scandal.
I was happy to see him booted from the Rams. I can think of at least 2 games that his personal fouls cost us games. That being said, if the NFL gives jobs back to convicted felons, the Dolphins might as well let an HR issue slide by.... :lol
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As much as I love dogs-and living in the region of Virginia where Vick came from, I know just about every foul, disgusting thing about that story-the man did his time, seems contrite, and seems thus far to have learned his lesson. That's the point of rehabilitation, after all. I think I will always look at him with a LITTLE concern-he did some fucking horrible things with those dogs-but for now he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
As others have said, the Jets deserve scorn for hiring a QB with perpetual injury and turnover issues and an inability to consistently play well. That's beef enough. :lol
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I tend to agree with this. It's not like he had an epiphany one day and decided to change his life for the better. It took a federal investigation, and he was only "sorry" after he got caught. Pathetic.
I'm not going to exactly disagree with you, but it's still only half the story. I just think you can't not give credit to someone who is willing to put in the work to leave behind a dark, evil, fucked up past and try to live the rest of your life the right way.
I doubt I'll ever be able to totally buy into Vick's redemption. What he did was too horrible. But he's handling his business above and beyond what's necessary.
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Woah:
https://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-willing-release-desean-jackson
Eagles possibly releasing Jackson if they can't trade him.
I'm not sure how credible this story is. It seems like opposing front offices trying to drum up buzz that helps them.
But where there's smoke, there's fire.
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From all the rumors I've read/heard, it sure seems Kelly has zero patience left for Jackson, and that he is done in philly.
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But where there's smoke, there's fire.
I am pretty sure that is what many of us always tell you about Rondo. :lol
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lolJets
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This DJax thing looks bad.
Djac wants to know where he stands with eagles, but hasnt returned any of chip kelly's call's since season ended. #communications
https://twitter.com/TheRealDGunnCSN/status/447458821276200960
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I'll be happy if Vick has many turnovers, especially against Miami. :)
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On Vick: I think what he did was awful. There's no denying that. And if it was up to me, he never would have been allowed back in the NFL after his release from prison. But since the football gods deemed him worthy, not only did he return, but he wound up on MY team. I was not happy when the Eagles signed him. But that first season he played in Philly was so great. I'll never be a Vick fan- I would never wear a #7 jersey. But if he had continued playing in that manner, and something in the way of a championship would have come of it- well, that's a deal with the devil that I absolutely would have been willing to make.
I don't know if he is actually "rehabilitated" or not...but he has been all class throughout this entire past season, what with losing the starting spot to Nick Foles and everything. But I think good for him for finding a team willing to give him another chance at being a starter.
On DeSean- It's a shame that he's so young and has so much talent and he already has such an attitude problem. It's like he's been taking lessons from T.O. I would hate to see the Eagles part ways with him, but it seems like he's causing more drama than he's worth.
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Vince is back in the fold!! :metal
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2014/03/27/vince-wilfork-agrees-to-extension-with-patriots/
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Eagles release Desean Jackson. :facepalm:
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Good move. Read this:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html
After what happened with Aaron Hernandez, an NFL player with gang ties is likely gonna scare off most NFL teams. Some team will take a chance on him working out for a year or two, but props to the Eagles for gutting this guy from their team. :tup :tup
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Desean released a statement saying he was never involved in any kind of gang. Not sure who to believe in this case. Either way, I hope to god the eagles draft Brandon Cooks now.
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I tend to not believe Jackson, since he has always been a hot-dogging d-bag. When it comes to stuff like this, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
And let's be serious...he didn't write that statement that was released.
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Yeah, I have to agree with pretty much everything you said, but man am I still going miss his production.
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I have a hard time believing a word he says. ...unless, of course, he ends up coming to S.F.
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I have a hard time believing a word he says. ...unless, of course, he ends up coming to S.F.
You're such a homer. :biggrin:
He'll probably end up in the CFL.
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Read between the lines of DJax's statement:
Secondly, I would like to address the misleading and unfounded reports that my release has anything to do with any affiliation that has been speculated surrounding the company I keep off of the field.
If you untangle what this sentence literally means, it's saying that his release has nothing to do with speculation about gang affliations. The Eagles didn't release him because of fan speculation. They released him, in part, because two artists on his record label are crips members who were accused of murder.
I would like to make it very clear that I am not and never have been part of any gang. I am not a gang member and to speculate and assume that I am involved in such activity off the field is reckless and irresponsible.
No one accused DJax of being in a gang or being involved with gang activity.
If you read the statement without paying attention, it looks and feels like a legally tight denial of the rumors surrounding DJax. But if you look very closely at the words, there is no explicit denial of the speculation being directed toward him.
This is very bad. The Eagles are trying to avoid an Aaron Hernandez situation.
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For a team who signed dog killer and retained Racial Slur boy.... I am surprised that they flatly released Jackson. And my reaction is this: BRAVO!!!! It takes a lot of stones to cut your best player without getting any sort of compensation. And since the legal team has advised Philly's Front Office not to comment, I tend to believe that there's a very real legal issue on top of his on the field behavioral problems.
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Jackson is a good player overshadowed by his douchebaggery. Doesn't surprise me in the least that they released him.
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Raiders got Maurice Jones-Drew!!! Just when I push them aside for the Seahawks they start getting good players. :facepalm:
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When you push them aside? You mean you are band wagoner or am I reading that wrong?
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The Hawks got my attention when they got those new uniforms, but they really got my attention with the SB win. Plus I didn't know how cool Lynch was! I've been a Raiders fan since I started liking football, but I got fed up with them being so mediocre.
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I see there's a twitter campaign to bring Jackson to the Raiders. I welcome it. These are the kind of players the Raiders should and used to have. Good player but a little dangerous. As long as he stays out of trouble, it should help them. The Raiders need to be scary again.
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For a team who signed dog killer and retained Racial Slur boy.... I am surprised that they flatly released Jackson. And my reaction is this: BRAVO!!!! It takes a lot of stones to cut your best player without getting any sort of compensation. And since the legal team has advised Philly's Front Office not to comment, I tend to believe that there's a very real legal issue on top of his on the field behavioral problems.
When did they cut LeSean McCoy??
The Hawks got my attention when they got those new uniforms, but they really got my attention with the SB win. Plus I didn't know how cool Lynch was! I've been a Raiders fan since I started liking football, but I got fed up with them being so mediocre.
I think this post is Exhibit A for being a bandwagon fan. :lol :lol :lol
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Say what you want, I'm not ashamed about being a bandwagon fan. They have a big future and I'm along for the ride.
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Spring is here, but it's never the wrong time to talk football! Big Bear fan here, haven't seen much on the Bears in this blog, come on, there's got to be some other fans. Really like the moves they made on defense so far, especially on the D-line. The Jared Allen signing was surprising, they could have a great rotation at DE with Allen, Houston and Willie Young. Hoping they draft a couple of studs for the secondary, they need to get younger at CB and get a good safety.
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Gotta love fans who jump around from one team to the next. So, who's your team this year? Whoever wins the SB. Ahh... :lol
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For a team who signed dog killer and retained Racial Slur boy.... I am surprised that they flatly released Jackson. And my reaction is this: BRAVO!!!! It takes a lot of stones to cut your best player without getting any sort of compensation. And since the legal team has advised Philly's Front Office not to comment, I tend to believe that there's a very real legal issue on top of his on the field behavioral problems.
When did they cut LeSean McCoy??
I don't think that it's a stretch to call Jackson better than McCoy. One's a 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All Pro, and the Other is a 3x Pro Bowler and 1x All Pro. They're both among the best at their respective position, and they both are absolute game changers.
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Say what you want, I'm not ashamed about being a bandwagon fan. They have a big future and I'm along for the ride.
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Personally, I have no problem with "bandwagon fans." Like whatever team you want for whatever reasons you want. Makes no difference to me. Obviously, there can be a bit of a hypocrisy issue for bandwagon fans who pretend they are not bandwagon fans, but that isn't you. So, bandwagon away, I say!
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For a team who signed dog killer and retained Racial Slur boy.... I am surprised that they flatly released Jackson. And my reaction is this: BRAVO!!!! It takes a lot of stones to cut your best player without getting any sort of compensation. And since the legal team has advised Philly's Front Office not to comment, I tend to believe that there's a very real legal issue on top of his on the field behavioral problems.
When did they cut LeSean McCoy??
I don't think that it's a stretch to call Jackson better than McCoy. One's a 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All Pro, and the Other is a 3x Pro Bowler and 1x All Pro. They're both among the best at their respective position, and they both are absolute game changers.
Jackson is not among the best at his position. He is not a top 10 WR (which I think is a good cutoff for being called one of the best at WR). Hell, his only All-Pro selection was as a punt returner, not as a WR. I'll take Megatron, AJ Green, Bryant, Demaryius, Marshall, A. Johnson, Fitzgerald, V. Jackson, Josh Gordon and Julio Jones as the best 10 WRs in football.
McCoy, meanwhile, is a top 3-5 RB, easily.
And I am talking reality here, not fantasy football numbers. For example, Jackson put up better numbers than Larry Fitzgerald last year, but Fitzgerald is still a better WR.
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For a team who signed dog killer and retained Racial Slur boy.... I am surprised that they flatly released Jackson. And my reaction is this: BRAVO!!!! It takes a lot of stones to cut your best player without getting any sort of compensation. And since the legal team has advised Philly's Front Office not to comment, I tend to believe that there's a very real legal issue on top of his on the field behavioral problems.
When did they cut LeSean McCoy??
I don't think that it's a stretch to call Jackson better than McCoy. One's a 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All Pro, and the Other is a 3x Pro Bowler and 1x All Pro. They're both among the best at their respective position, and they both are absolute game changers.
Jackson is not among the best at his position. He is not a top 10 WR (which I think is a good cutoff for being called one of the best at WR). Hell, his only All-Pro selection was as a punt returner, not as a WR. I'll take Megatron, AJ Green, Bryant, Demaryius, Marshall, A. Johnson, Fitzgerald, V. Jackson, Josh Gordon and Julio Jones as the best 10 WRs in football.
McCoy, meanwhile, is a top 3-5 RB, easily.
And I am talking reality here, not fantasy football numbers. For example, Jackson put up better numbers than Larry Fitzgerald last year, but Fitzgerald is still a better WR.
Yup, yes, and I agree.
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I would argue that DeSean Jackson is one of the best receivers in the league. It really is a shame that there's so much drama surrounding all of this. I really hate that the Eagles just cut him without at least trying to get some compensation for him. Come on...he's young, extremely talented...
But total attitude. Also a very interesting point was made a few posts ago about how the Eagles would sign a convicted dog killer, and also keep someone on the roster who had a few racial slurs in his repertoire- so if there was any small amount of drama or controversy, I can't see the Eagles cutting him just because of rumored gang activity. There really must be a lot of underlying shit going on.
But at any rate, I do know that DJax was causing a lot of drama, and that never sits well. And now he's gone and signed with the fucking Redskins, so he's still going to be a thorn in our side twice a god damn year.
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Eh, the Skins still aren't much of threat if you ask me,
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Eh, the Skins still aren't much of threat if you ask me,
I agree, but it's just the principle of the matter.
By signing with them, he still plays Philly twice a year.
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And to think ...the Redskins were dysfunctional last year. Wonder what happens if they lose a lot of games this year with him in the locker room stirring shit up. Could be one and done for Gruden :lol
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If John Gruden was coach in Washington, I'd give them half a chance. Don't know about Jay.
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I hope he's kidding. He's not getting the franchise QB's jersey number.
"I definitely am familiar with the No. 10 on Robert Griffin," Jackson said during a conference call. "But, you know, we've talked about it a little bit, but there hasn’t been a decision that’s been made yet so far, but maybe by the time season starts we'll know. But maybe RGIII will wear No. 3 and I'll try to get in 10. We'll see how it goes though. Never know.""
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/desean-jackson-on-getting-rg3-s-no--10-jersey---we-ve-talked-about-it-224017258.html
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Ho boy. It's almost like there's a reason the Eagles cut him.
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Fantasy All-arrest team:
https://trend-junky.com/2730/nfl-all-arrest-team/?r=aut067
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Andrew (Hyperplex) posted this link on facebook earlier today :rollin
https://www.sportspickle.com/2014/04/crips-release-desean-jackson-concern-affiliation-washington-redskins-organization (https://www.sportspickle.com/2014/04/crips-release-desean-jackson-concern-affiliation-washington-redskins-organization)
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Fantasy All-arrest team:
https://trend-junky.com/2730/nfl-all-arrest-team/?r=aut067
Even as a lolz piece, that was shitty and obviously thrown together in less than 15 minutes.
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L.A. Kiss played their first home game last night. Looks like a lot of fun.
https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10737993&categoryid=2378529
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L.A. Kiss played their first home game last night. Looks like a lot of fun.
https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10737993&categoryid=2378529
I really wanted to watch that last night, and I forgot about it. I'm glad the Kiss got off to a good home start.
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Aldon Smith is officially the dumbest human being currently employed by an NFL team. Seriously. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Wow, and I thought Von Miller was a headache last season :lol
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Something seems like he may not be all there. Kinda like an 80/20 Maurice Clarett/Ricky Williams kinda thing except being a deadbeat dad is the only legitimate blemish on Ricky's resume.
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I must agree. That guy ain't right.
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Aldon Smith is officially the dumbest human being currently employed by an NFL team. Seriously. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yeah, I had the exact some thought last night. Maybe next time he'll wear a suicide vest made of Armour hotdogs.
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:lol :lol
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:lol
Talk about blowing up you life. ;)
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Yeah, he's not a guy you want on your team, cause who knows when he'll go off. ;)
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But I thought teams were always on the lookout for explosive athletes.
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Yeah, but he has a short fuse.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/s403x403/1970910_704963289550362_879399369907940445_n.jpg)
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:facepalm:
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He'll be fine. Given his productivity, he easily can withstand two more brushes with the law before SF would cut/trade him. Goodell is the real concern for him.
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I am really disappointed in my team. Too many negative headlines that players should NOT be making.
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I suspect May 3 is when we'll see what kind of team SF is. Honestly, though, the might be screwed either way. I think the only chance they might have to salvage his dumb ass is to play tough and non-committal. I'd be leaning towards not exercising the option and probably towards suspending the living shit out of him. However, if they do that and he does get his act together they probably won't be able to resign him anyway. That means they turn him into a better person for the highest bidder in 2015. Hell, put like that they might be better off just enabling him, getting two more years out of him and casting him off with the rest of the jetsam. Let some other team get saddled with his drama.
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I am really disappointed in my team. Too many negative headlines that players should NOT be making.
The non-denial denial by Kaep was a nice touch.
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I am really disappointed in my team. Too many negative headlines that players should NOT be making.
The non-denial denial by Kaep was a nice touch.
Yeah. As more facts come out, it seems more and more like he was not involved in anything remotely along the lines of what the initial TMZ story suggested. But he still shouldn't have even been in that environment to begin with. It just looks bad, and makes the team look bad.
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Yeah. As more facts come out, it seems more and more like he was not involved in anything remotely along the lines of what the initial TMZ story suggested. But he still shouldn't have even been in that environment to begin with. It just looks bad, and makes the team look bad.
The problem is that his denial used the vague "the allegations against me are untrue" phrasing. If I was accused of sexual assault and I was a public figure, the words "I did not commit nor have I ever committed sexual assault" would be somewhere in my statement. Why isn't it in Kaeps? Super super suspicious.
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Coulda just been a case of him trying to use fancy wording to sound more professional since this is a case where Kaep being Kaep probably wasn't his best bet considering how many people consider him an arrogant, immature quasi thug.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the 2014 Schedule unveiled this evening.
I also like this picture:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10171261_10152246193409504_7669902740706568719_n.jpg)
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The crazy thing about that picture above for my beloved Saints is that it would also be exactly the same if it had said, "Number of Playoff Wins Ever." They've compiled that number over only a few recent seasons. :|
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What's the deal with the completely arbitrary "1997" date?
Anyhow, pretty cool that that period encompasses one of the dryest playoff spells in 49ers history and they still made the top 10.
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It makes me further lament all the time I've wasted watching nationally televised games featuring the perennially mediocre Redskins and Cowboys.
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What's the deal with the completely arbitrary "1997" date?
Anyhow, pretty cool that that period encompasses one of the dryest playoff spells in 49ers history and they still made the top 10.
No idea.... but for me, it's a good indicator of how good teams have been since the Ravens have existed (1996 would have been even better).
The 49ers are one of the most decorated franchise in professional sports. Just about every other team is looking up at their legacy from a historical standpoint.
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My only wish for the 2014 Ravens schedule..... NO WEEK 17 VS. CINCY AGAIN! Seriously... 4 years in a row is more than enough.
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The 49ers are one of the most decorated franchise in professional sports. Just about every other team is looking up at their legacy from a historical standpoint.
It's easy to forget that sometimes when going through those long dry spells like a few years ago. It is really cool having them be contenders again.
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Yay
https://www.nfl.com/schedules?icampaign=Schedule_release_HP_CP
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Wow. Bummer for the rest of the NFC West. The '9ers are going to be 6-0 before they have to play anybody.
Whoa! The 49ers/Seahawks games are in weeks 13 and 15. That stretch is going to be INSANE!
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I'm pleased with the Ravens schedule. Having both of the Steelers/Ravens games on Prime Time is a sign that their rivalry is still something to be respected, even though Seattle and San Francisco is clearly the #1 rivalry atm.
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Wow. Bummer for the rest of the NFC West. The '9ers are going to be 6-0 before they have to play anybody.
This strikes me as overconfident.
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Nah, they just aren't playing anyone tough in that first stretch. Although I should modify that. I forgot how improved Philly is. That week 4 game will indeed be tough (and should be good). But barring something really unexpected, they should win 5 of those first 6 at least.
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I should modify that. I forgot how improved Philly is.
^_^_^_^_^
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I can see the Rams winning against SF in those first 6 weeks.
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I can see the Rams winning against SF in those first 6 weeks.
I agree with that, as well as Arizona having a chance to beat them.
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Hmm... hopefully Houston will have a better season without Schaub, but it's funny that we play the Raiders in Oakland in Week 2.
https://www.houstontexans.com/team/season-schedule.html (https://www.houstontexans.com/team/season-schedule.html)
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Hell, I can see SF imploding so badly that all of Santa Clarita is sucked into the ether during that 6 week stretch.
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Wow. Bummer for the rest of the NFC West. The '9ers are going to be 6-0 before they have to play anybody.
This strikes me as overconfident.
Out of bosk1? No way!!! ;)
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I'm glad the Saints open against the Falcons. It's awesome knowing the Failcons will probably have to spend the entire season dreaming of the revenge they won't be able to exact in week 16.
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Wow, Seattle's last seven games are BRUTAL!
Week 11: Sunday, Nov. 16, at Kansas City, 1 p.m.
Week 12: Sunday, Nov. 23, Arizona, 4:05 p.m.
Week 13: Thursday, Nov. 27, at San Francisco, 8:30 p.m.
Week 14: Sunday, Dec. 7, at Philadelphia, 4:25 p.m.
Week 15: Sunday, Dec. 14, San Francisco, 4:25 p.m.
Week 16: Sunday, Dec. 21, at Arizona, 8:30 p.m.
Week 17: Sunday, Dec. 28, St. Louis, 4:25 p.m.
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A bit, but four of those are home games, so that is four wins at least most likely.
The Broncos were given a brutal stretch in November and December, where they play six of eight games on the road. That'll be fun.
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A bit, but four of those are home games, so that is four wins at least most likely.
Not necessarily. The Cardinals beat them, and the 49ers, Bucs, and Titans all came very came close. They are tougher at home, but certainly not unbeatable. I could see them going 3-4 on that 7 game stretch. Their first half is certainly easier.
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In looking at the Panthers schedule, mostly all I can do at this time of year is shrug.
*shrugs*
Although, I'm glad that we have the Seahawks at home, and that our bye week is Week 12. That seems like a good time to me.
Oh, and we play the Browns. That's always good.
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Add to that...we have a Week 4 bye. I don't necessarily care for early season byes....about 2/3rds of the way thru the season is when you need it the most.
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Add to that...we have a Week 4 bye. I don't necessarily care for early season byes....about 2/3rds of the way thru the season is when you need it the most.
Yeah, I agree. 49ers have week 8 bye. Not bad. A bit later would be ideal, but it's not bad, especially if they can get a first round playoff bye as well. Actually, the week 8 bye may work out well in terms of getting Bowman back.
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The Saints' bye is Week 6 .... which feels a bit early. :|
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Man, they keep giving us an early bye:
2006: 7
2007: 4
2008: 9
2009: 5
2010: 10
2011: 11
2012: 6
2013: 7
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All I got to say is lol-predictions. Last year at this time, Houston and Atlanta were teams that were cause for concern.
Any top team can fall from grace real quick for any number of reasons... over confidence; played out of their weight class last year; weak schedule last year; injuries...
In the words of the infamous Winston Wolf ... "Let's not start suckin each other's dicks just yet"
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Eagles bye week is week 7. I'd prefer it be later, but this is fine.
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Dolphins have a week 5 BYE. And we play in London. Ughghgh
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Man, fuck that London game. Soccer is the world's official sport and >80% of the world doesn't care two shits about the NFL and may never either. Get over it, NFL brass.
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Man, fuck that London game. Soccer is the world's official sport and >80% of the world doesn't care two shits about the NFL and may never either. Get over it, NFL brass.
From the league's perspective, a game in London is much more beneficial to them than an eight game in a place like Jacksonville, Tampa Bay or St. Louis.
What's bothered me about the London game is that the least notable team is ALWAYS designated as the home team. New England's been over there twice, and both times, they were the "road" team.
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All I got to say is lol-predictions. Last year at this time, Houston and Atlanta were teams that were cause for concern.
Any top team can fall from grace real quick for any number of reasons... over confidence; played out of their weight class last year; weak schedule last year; injuries...
In the words of the infamous Winston Wolf ... "Let's not start suckin each other's dicks just yet"
Haha, exactly. Sure, there are teams that you know are gonna be good every year (NE, whatever team Peyton Manning is on, GB, etc.), as well as teams you know are gonna be bad every year (Oakland, Buffalo, Cleveland, etc.), but as always, there will be teams that are surprisingly good AND surprisingly not-so good.
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Fucking schedule makers have a real hard on for the Rams....again (yeah I know there's a formula for this all but...) Based on last season's records, this schedule ranks as the third-hardest in the NFL. They play seven playoff teams, including both SB teams during a span of eight games, and the 8th game is against the 10 win Cardinals :lol. Including 5 on the road with a 3 game road stretch against Frisco, Chiefs and Arizona. And for a final kick in the nuts...week 17 in Seattle for the third year in a row and the 4th time in 5 years... WTF?
The run starts after a week 4 bye (which also sucks donkey balls)
Oct 5 - at Philadelphia, 12:00 PM CT
Oct 13 - vs. San Francisco, 7:30 PM CT
Oct 19 - vs. Seattle, 12:00 PM CT
Oct 26 - at Kansas City, 12:00 PM CT
Nov 2 - at San Francisco, 3:05 PM CT
Nov 9 - at Arizona, 3:25 PM CT
Nov 16 - vs. Denver, 12:00 PM CT
Nov 23 - at San Diego, 3:05 PM CT
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You can't blame all of that on the NFL schedule makers. The NFC West plays the AFC West this year, and three playoff teams came from the AFC West last year, so it's not like they thought, "Let's screw the Rams." Oh, and their schedule being 3rd hardest based on last year's records is because the other three teams in their division all won 10+ games, not to mention those 33 wins out of the three AFC West playoff teams.
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I'm just annoyed that, barring a return to being a contender, Seattle gets a very winnable finale.
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The older I get the more I hate prime time games. :lol
I got to work in the morning dammit! :lol
And the Pats have 5 this year.
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You can't blame all of that on the NFL schedule makers. The NFC West plays the AFC West this year, and three playoff teams came from the AFC West last year, so it's not like they thought, "Let's screw the Rams." Oh, and their schedule being 3rd hardest based on last year's records is because the other three teams in their division all won 10+ games, not to mention those 33 wins out of the three AFC West playoff teams.
Definitely, and if the Rams draft well and have Bradford back, they too will be making a lot of noise in an already stacked division.
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I hear ya Jamesman, the Rams SHOULD be much improved this year with the factors you mention PLUS having a rel DC for the first time in the Fisher/Snead regime. I understand exactly what you're saying too Kev. It still sucks the way that 8 game stretch and that last damn game in Seattle AGAIN is set up. It could have been a helluva lot less brutal if mixed differently :lol And of course things change every year, take Atlanta and Houston last year for example. A couple of the teams were looking at now that were playoff teams last year probably wont be playoff teams this year. Bottom line is we need something to bitch about while we wait for the draft, OTA's and training camp :tup
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I'll bitch about these fuckwad media types trying to chastize players for not attending VOLUNTARY offseason training functions. I don't give a flying fuck about what message it sends. If you give someone the option to have time off, don't be pissed if they utilize it. Classic needy gf mentality bullshit.
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I'll bitch about these fuckwad media types trying to chastize players for not attending VOLUNTARY offseason training functions. I don't give a flying fuck about what message it sends. If you give someone the option to have time off, don't be pissed if they utilize it. Classic needy gf mentality bullshit.
Take it from someone in the private sector....none of us are immune.
In my experience, the people with permanent jobs are the people who do "off the clock" stuff. There's a name for people who don't "volunteer"...they're called "temps"
It totally sucks...but it's totally fact.
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And as fans whom hate this practice, we should abhor it rather than act like everyone else should have to put up with bullshit cuz we do too. If we accept the status quo, the status quo it shall remain.
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As some of you might know, I used to coach football before I decided to pursue chemistry full time, but I'm still a student of the game. If you like learning about the game at a level that well above TV commentator but still easily graspable by most people, I encourage you to follow Matt Bowen's articles on Bleacher Report. While it is mostly review for me, we writes really well and I think most of you here would appreciate it. Here's a link to his archive, but his Friday NFL 101's are the highlight.
https://bleacherreport.com/users/2822152-matt-bowen/archives/newest?rel=nofollow (https://bleacherreport.com/users/2822152-matt-bowen/archives/newest?rel=nofollow)
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Fantastic! Thank you sir.
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And as fans whom hate this practice, we should abhor it rather than act like everyone else should have to put up with bullshit cuz we do too. If we accept the status quo, the status quo it shall remain.
You're right b_f, and it seems like the ones who complain about the status quo the most are the ones who allow it to continue.
I'll bitch about these fuckwad media types trying to chastize players for not attending VOLUNTARY offseason training functions. I don't give a flying fuck about what message it sends. If you give someone the option to have time off, don't be pissed if they utilize it. Classic needy gf mentality bullshit.
Take it from someone in the private sector....none of us are immune.
In my experience, the people with permanent jobs are the people who do "off the clock" stuff. There's a name for people who don't "volunteer"...they're called "temps"
It totally sucks...but it's totally fact.
Nah, I don't think that's totally fact. It doesn't matter who you are. There are only 2 kinds of people who do "off the clock" stuff. Those who want to and those who make it look like they want to by crawling up someone's ass. I'm sure if there was an absolute need for it, then it would be mandatory, not voluntary. That's what I've seen in my nearly 30 years of experience. ;)
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Will Smith to the Pats!! Nice.
https://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Patriots-sign-DE-Will-Smith/789c2051-671a-424e-81aa-39ff97b01a21
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Will Smith to the Pats!! Nice.
https://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Patriots-sign-DE-Will-Smith/789c2051-671a-424e-81aa-39ff97b01a21
He's just going to try to further Jaden's career there ;D
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:lol
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And as fans whom hate this practice, we should abhor it rather than act like everyone else should have to put up with bullshit cuz we do too. If we accept the status quo, the status quo it shall remain.
You're right b_f, and it seems like the ones who complain about the status quo the most are the ones who allow it to continue.
If by "allow" you mean those who lack the leverage to be able to do anything about it then sure. I'm all ears for your attempt to expand on this point.
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Can't wait to watch the first round of the draft tonight. I'm actually a Mel Kiper Jr. guy. Love watching him do his thing.
Cleveland should draft Manziel, maybe not at 4... but they could trade down, or trade up from 26. That franchise needs to roll the dice and Manziel is the guy.
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I won't watch, but I am mildly interested to see who the 49ers pick up and where Manziel goes.
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And with the Patriots first pick of the first round.....they have traded out for a second and a 3 round pick, *pick team* is on the board.
I hate hearing this almost every year.
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Wait, what? I thought it doesn't start for another 2 hours.
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Was going to start a poll, as I can't decide which is the more annoying sports term: "Mock Draft" or "Bracketology."
Won't get excited for football till September, butt will continue to enjoy more months of hearing "...defending Super Bowl champion Seahawks..."
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Wait, what? I thought it doesn't start for another 2 hours.
I'm just mocking what the Pats do almost every year. :lol
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Very excited for the draft tonight. I think with one more great draft class the Eagles can be serious contenders to the likes of Seattle and SF. They aren't there yet, but the next three days could make a huge difference.
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And with the Patriots first pick of the first round.....they have traded out for a second and a 3 round pick, *pick team* is on the board.
I hate hearing this almost every year.
Yeah, maybe their dumb asses will pick a QB in the sixth round or something. :rollin
Personally, I'm a fan of the approach. Almost all draft picks carry a fair amount of risk. Nobody likes spending a first rounder on a bust. Yet if you're adept at picking talent you can do quite well in the latter rounds. NE fits into that category and they seem to do alright in that regard. Furthermore, where they're at doesn't offer a whole lot of upside, yet if there's a player somebody desperately wants, hell yeah you trade down a few notches. Belichick apparently doesn't much favor spending high draft picks on LB's and the TE's they are interested will be later round prospects, so trading down won't bother me. Granted, it lacks the excitement of the big draft day pick, but as NE has demonstrated, it can be made to work wonders for the long term.
There's also the fact that in the modern league, it's not like you're drafting somebody for a long period of time. Since there's no loyalty in the league anymore, it makes sense to spend high draft pick money on known quantities; ie. free agents. I'd say the Patriots did pretty well with that this year.
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I hope to see a bunch of trades early in the draft. It's the only thing that makes it not mostly boring.
Also, Clowney will not live up to the hype of being the number 1 pick in this draft. His lack of a good work ethic won't fly in the NFL.
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First pick is in the books, and we're off and running!
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Work ethic can be taught/learned. I'm sure JJ Watt will take Clowney under his wing. Texans made the right pick. They have a good chance at going right back to the playoffs this season.
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Clowney and Watt? Jesus.
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Clowney and Watt? Jesus.
Andrew Luck be like :censored
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:lol I don't usually watch the draft, but I have it on in the background while I'm working. Why do teams take so long in the beginning? If you are #1 or #2, I can't fathom any need to take more than 30 seconds to post your decision. There are no variables on the table that haven't been there for the weeks leading up to the draft.
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:lol I don't usually watch the draft, but I have it on in the background while I'm working. Why do teams take so long in the beginning? If you are #1 or #2, I can't fathom any need to take more than 30 seconds to post your decision. There are no variables on the table that haven't been there for the weeks leading up to the draft.
From what I understand... they're on the phone with teams interested in trading up. Can't hurt to hear what you could potentially get for trading down.
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St. Louis take Robinson. Great pick, especially with the defenses that are in that division.
Jacksonville has got to be torn between Watkins or Mack. They're got needs all over, and these two guys could be elite.
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But how likely is it that a #1, #2, or #3 pick are really going to give those picks up?
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But how likely is it that a #1, #2, or #3 pick are really going to give those picks up?
Not too likely.. but I don't think that it hurts to listen to all offers. You never know when a team's going to give you a sweetheart deal like Washington gave St. Louis in 2012 so they could move up and pick Griffin. Heck, that #2 overall that St. Louis just used was Washington's pick.
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Jacksonville has got to be torn between Watkins or Mack. They're got needs all over, and these two guys could be elite.
Or they can reach for a QB! Hopefully it works out for them.
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Who is Blake Bortles? Why did the Jags pick him instead of Manziel or Bridgewater?
I don't watch college ball. I have no idea if this pick is good or bad. It's just so bizarre.
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Bortles is kind of a surprise, but let's remember that a lot of teams are not high on Manziel, so he is not the can't miss prospect that some (see: Gruden) are making him out to be.
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Who is Blake Bortles? Why did the Jags pick him instead of Manziel or Bridgewater?
I don't watch college ball. I have no idea if this pick is good or bad. It's just so bizarre.
He's a big kid 6'4", 230 who has played in a pro system. It was a tossup of who would be picked first between him and Manziel. Bridgewater's stock has plummeted over the past few months. But he could still get picked tonight, especially if teams like Cleveland, Oakland, Arizona address their QB needs.
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And with the Patriots first pick of the first round.....they have traded out for a second and a 3 round pick, *pick team* is on the board.
I hate hearing this almost every year.
Yeah, maybe their dumb asses will pick a QB in the sixth round or something. :rollin
Personally, I'm a fan of the approach. Almost all draft picks carry a fair amount of risk. Nobody likes spending a first rounder on a bust. Yet if you're adept at picking talent you can do quite well in the latter rounds. NE fits into that category and they seem to do alright in that regard. Furthermore, where they're at doesn't offer a whole lot of upside, yet if there's a player somebody desperately wants, hell yeah you trade down a few notches. Belichick apparently doesn't much favor spending high draft picks on LB's and the TE's they are interested will be later round prospects, so trading down won't bother me. Granted, it lacks the excitement of the big draft day pick, but as NE has demonstrated, it can be made to work wonders for the long term.
There's also the fact that in the modern league, it's not like you're drafting somebody for a long period of time. Since there's no loyalty in the league anymore, it makes sense to spend high draft pick money on known quantities; ie. free agents. I'd say the Patriots did pretty well with that this year.
Problem with the Pats is 8 of their 10 #1 picks have had a substantial impact on this team while they've had so many 2nd round busts. Value is great if you hit on it.
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Bills just traded up to 4. Wonder if they are gonna go WR.
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Great trade by the Browns to allow the Bills to move from 9 to 4.
Guess they're going for Mack.
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Bills just traded up to 4. Wonder if they are gonna go WR.
Yeah... that makes more sense than Mack. Buffalo definitely needs help at the WR position.
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I love that move by the Bills. Sammy Watkins, it is.
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Atta boys Bills :tup
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I love that move by the Bills. Sammy Watkins, it is.
Just saw EJ Manuel's tweet on the scroll: "!!!!!!!!"
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Minnesota and Cleveland flip flop the 8th and 9th? Johnny Football time?
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Minnesota and Cleveland flip flop the 8th and 9th? Johnny Football time?
Or Justin Gilbert.
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Cleveland just faked out the entire football world. :lol :lol
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Clowney and Watt? Jesus.
OH yeah. :woot:
Now this will FINALLY shut up Houston "fans" on the Johnny Football wagon. Let him go to the Cowgirls for all I care, WOOHOO!!! :xbones
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Now it gets a bit interesting for '9ers fans. I can see them trading up with any of the next 6 teams other than the Rams.
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I don't think I've heard the words "running back" once tonight. Man, how times have changed.
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I don't think I've heard the words "running back" once tonight. Man, how times have changed.
Well, true, but I think it is also a case of there just not being as strong a class of running backs this year, as well as there not being as great a need this year.
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I don't think I've heard the words "running back" once tonight. Man, how times have changed.
Isn't that the truth!
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Oh man! The Giants nabbed Beckham! I was hoping the '9ers could make a play for him.
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Glad that Donald is headed for the NFC West.... was afraid that the Steelers would end up with him.
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Oh man! The Giants nabbed Beckham! I was hoping the '9ers could make a play for him.
All I'm seeing is angry Giants fans on this one blog.
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Oh man! The Giants nabbed Beckham! I was hoping the '9ers could make a play for him.
All I'm seeing is angry Giants fans on this one blog.
Why?
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Ravens pick soon... would love Ha Ha, Mosley or Lee. I'd be happy with any of the three. But as always..... In Ozzie We Trust!
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If Jerry Jones drafts Johnny Football... ESPN will be intolerable...err more so than it is already :)
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Oh man! The Giants nabbed Beckham! I was hoping the '9ers could make a play for him.
All I'm seeing is angry Giants fans on this one blog.
Why?
Claiming that Reese didn't actually go for BPA.
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I was just saying that to a few friends earlier, DOC, about RBs being an afterthought in the 1st round now. Crazy.
I hope Dallas takes Manziel just for the entertainment factor.
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Manziel would be just as confused as the rest of us. And so would Romo. :lol
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This is hilarious.
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Wow, 6 linemen (not including TE) in the first 16. Interesting.
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Alright, DOC. Who are the Ravens gonna take?
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Alright, DOC. Who are the Ravens gonna take?
I'm thinking Ha Ha Dixon. Gives us a Free Saftey, and fills the hole that Ed Reed left... plus it allows Matt Elam to go to Strong Safety.
But, they could trade down. They could take another O-lineman off the board... ya never know.
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CJ MOSLEY!! Welcome to Baltimore!
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So did people really think that Dallas might take Manziel or was it just goofing on Jerry's goofy ass?
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Word is that Romo's contract makes it impossible to cut or trade him in the next two years, and I suspect that is why Jones didn't pull the trigger on Manziel.
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But why would he have? Dallas isn't to the point of rolling the dice on a franchise-type qb yet.
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And Lee falls right into Chip Kelly's lap.
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...or not.
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And playing the part of Brady Quinn, Johnny Manziel!
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Ahahahahahaha :rollin
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Cleveland...is an interesting team.
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Cleveland should draft Manziel, maybe not at 4... but they could trade down, or trade up from 26. That franchise needs to roll the dice and Manziel is the guy.
:hat
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Cleveland should draft Manziel, maybe not at 4... but they could trade down, or trade up from 26. That franchise needs to roll the dice and Manziel is the guy.
:hat
:hat
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Not thrilled about Darqueze Dennard going to Cincy.
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So far, I'm not thrilled with much of anything that has happened tonight.
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Why would they not take Lee?? So much for drafting for talent instead of need.. Reaching for a DE when a great WR is on the board.
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Not thrilled about Darqueze Dennard going to Cincy.
I'm still pissed the Steelers passed on him.
Here's hoping Manziel is the second coming of Brady Quinn.
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??? wut? ??? Just...wut? ???
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Manziel would have made more sense than that pick.
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3 pages of chatter on the draft. Really?? :jets:
Won't get excited for football till September
That sums it up.
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3 pages of chatter on the draft. Really?? :jets:
Won't get excited for football till September
That sums it up.
Can't speak for everyone else... but as a diehard Ravens fan, I couldn't wait to find out who would be joining the team. And as a football fan, its intriguing to see who goes where, and awesome to see these players' hard work pay off.
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Guess Minnesota wants Bridgewater.
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I basically just check in to see who the Niners take, but generally don't pay much attention until the season starts. Hockey is the only sport I dedicate my full attention to. That said, WTF Niners?
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So with Teddy going to Minnesota, Houston has a day to think about drafting another Carr.
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^Maybe this one won't have to eat 34782504375234 sacks in his rookie season.
-J
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Really like Green Bay's pick. Excellent player, and also simply for the fact that when our new safety makes a great play, I expect the Lambeau Field audio guy to play the Nelson Muntz "Ha Ha!!" sound effect.
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I only heard highlights on the radio, but during Goddell's announcement of the #1 pick, was there a "What?!" chant from the crowd??
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I only heard highlights on the radio, but during Goddell's announcement of the #1 pick, was there a "What?!" chant from the crowd??
I've noticed that during the the past several drafts.
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ESPN reports that the Bills have traded WR Stevie Johnson to the 49ers for a 2015 draft pick.
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Strange move. Not sure why they would take a "good" receiver his age when they currently have a young promising #3 guy in Quinton Patton, and have Brandon Lloyd and Jon Baldwin as backups, not to mention they will probably draft a receiver or two. Even if they plan on dealing of the guys I just mentioned, it seems odd.
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ESPN reports that the Bills have traded WR Stevie Johnson to the 49ers for a 2015 draft pick.
About time. I felt for the guy what with his family troubles last season, but the guy can't come through on clutch situations and wasn't great by any means.
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I like the Panthers pick in round 1. Hopefully they can get some OL guys and maybe one or two more WRs. And a CB or two wouldn't hurt, either.
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3 pages of chatter on the draft. Really?? :jets:
Won't get excited for football till September
That sums it up.
Yup. Not much of anything exciting before opening day. Even the pre-season is somewhat lack luster.
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OK, so far, so good for the Panthers.
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Oh, Josh Gordon. You stupid, stupid man.
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Oh, Josh Gordon. You stupid, stupid man.
Who cares about my career! Nobody is gonna change me!
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Josh Gordon on his positive weed test:
"You try playing for the Browns and see if it doesn't turn you into a giant pothead within 24 hours."
Man, I wish that quote was real, instead of just a random tweet.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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Other than the first round "Who?" moment, I think the Eagles have had a very solid draft so far. Can't wait to see these guys on the field.
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Dolphins drafted very well. Lots of non-flashy moves, filling positions of need or for depth. And apparently many of the players are team leaders/captains. Wise move after bullygate.
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I know that summer hasn't even really started yet, but I am SO jonesing for some football.
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I know that summer hasn't even really started yet, but I am SO jonesing for some football.
I would say the same but with the Bruins in the playoffs the focus is hockey every other night!
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Ah. I understand. But while I enjoy watching hockey, when I take the time to do so, it isn't a passion like football for me. I could watch ANY two teams play football (and, to a lesser extent, basketball), but I don't really follow hockey like that.
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As you know from the cigars, I love hockey just as much as football so it covers the whole year for me! I lost my passion for baseball though I still follow and basketball as well.
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:tup
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The period from after the first week of NBA free agency to the first week of the NFL regular season (because I don't care about the pre-season) is my sports dead zone. It's awful.
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I know that summer hasn't even really started yet, but I am SO jonesing for some football.
You and me both.
The Blues loss in hockey has zapped away most of my enthusiasm for even watching the rest of the hockey playoffs.
The NBA playoffs are enjoyable at time, but if I never go out of my way to watch them.
I don't really care much about baseball anymore, until September or October, and even then, it pales in comparison to football.
So yeah, bring on football.
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Orioles fan all year here, just not in the fall. So I'm good without football for a few more months.
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So wait, Michael Sam says it's all about football, yet he is already doing a reality show with Oprah? :lol :lol
I can see it now: he is more concerned with his image as the first openly gay man drafted by the NFL, hence his combine being so piss poor months after being the co-defensive player of the year in the best conference in college football, than he is about playing football. Granted, considering the coverage the media is giving him, it's probably difficult to not get sucked into it, but much of the luster will be taken away from the story if he ends up being a bust of a football player, which I fear he will be, given how this is going.
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I suspect he's taking all of this too personally.
People who complained about how "disgusting" his draft video was missed the point. He wasn't just crying tears of happiness about being drafted, he was openly weeping because he really thought he was going to be passed over for being gay. There was nothing contrived or "in your face" about it. It was actually uncomfortably raw. Why was he that happy unless he had really low expectations?
Jason Collins handled this with a confidence that was pretty admirable. He came out, did a bit of publicity stuff, then worked out and got ready to be picked up after buyout season. I'm not totally sure Sam thinks he'll get a fair look, which is why he's trying to build an off-the-field PR presence.
I hope he succeeds. But it's hard not to feel nervous for him.
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Isn't he doing a disservice to other gay athletes, though? The guy should be making the best of his football opportunity, not self-promoting and hedging his bets. If he turns this into more of a mockery, won't other teams think twice about signing another Sam? If Sam sucks and they have to cut him, aren't they going to be terrified of the backlash? The guy should STFU and live, eat and drink football for a while.
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It's a tricky spot, regarding the reality show and all of the attention. He is striking when the iron is hot, which you can't really blame him for. If he really did just focus on football, but didn't make the team in the summer, and then tried to go the reality show route, who knows if the interest would still be as high as it is now. Like I said, he is striking while the iron is hot, but he is a fringe NFL prospect already, and having his attention diverted like this is only gonna make it that much harder on himself to make the team.
However, the people who are on the "he only dropped to the 7th round because he is gay" train are missing the point, as he was considered only a 4th or 5th rounder by Mel Kiper BEFORE he did awful in the combine, and if some teams were hesitant about taking him cause of the circus that you knew would surround him thanks to the media, can you blame them? Certainly not. That is one of the reasons Tebow can't get a job in the NFL anymore (although not good enough to start, he should still be able to be a good backup or role player, but it's not worth dealing with that kind of circus for a guy who is just a backup). The same thing will likely happen with Sam, unfortunately.
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Isn't he doing a disservice to other gay athletes, though? The guy should be making the best of his football opportunity, not self-promoting and hedging his bets. If he turns this into more of a mockery, won't other teams think twice about signing another Sam? If Sam sucks and they have to cut him, aren't they going to be terrified of the backlash? The guy should STFU and live, eat and drink football for a while.
I 100% agree. I just don't want to make negative assumptions about his motivations. That would be... prejudiced.
It's a tricky spot, regarding the reality show and all of the attention. He is striking when the iron is hot, which you can't really blame him for. If he really did just focus on football, but didn't make the team in the summer, and then tried to go the reality show route, who knows if the interest would still be as high as it is now. Like I said, he is striking while the iron is hot, but he is a fringe NFL prospect already, and having his attention diverted like this is only gonna make it that much harder on himself to make the team.
Why have a reality show at all though? It's on Oprah. It's not going to be a serious exploration of the subject matter. It's going to be some form of bullshit. It's hard not to see this purely as self-promotion.
However, the people who are on the "he only dropped to the 7th round because he is gay" train are missing the point, as he was considered only a 4th or 5th rounder by Mel Kiper BEFORE he did awful in the combine, and if some teams were hesitant about taking him cause of the circus that you knew would surround him thanks to the media, can you blame them? Certainly not. That is one of the reasons Tebow can't get a job in the NFL anymore (although not good enough to start, he should still be able to be a good backup or role player, but it's not worth dealing with that kind of circus for a guy who is just a backup). The same thing will likely happen with Sam, unfortunately.
Which is why I agree with Barto that he should go totally media silent and hit the gym. I'm willing to assume he's doing what he's doing because of good intentions, but that doesn't mean he's making good decisions.
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I wasn't aware that he was only a fringe prospect. I thought he was a definite NFL contributor. Wrong assumption, I suppose.
Wasn't he also the guy with some mad-up girlfriend facebook drama a while back?
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Wasn't he also the guy with some mad-up girlfriend facebook drama a while back?
Doubtful.
I think you are thinking of the LB from Notre Dame last year.
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Maybe Michael Sam's show will encourage other gay athletes to come out.
I don't know. Just trying not to be as judgmental and cynical as possible about this/him.
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It's a tricky spot, regarding the reality show and all of the attention. He is striking when the iron is hot, which you can't really blame him for. If he really did just focus on football, but didn't make the team in the summer, and then tried to go the reality show route, who knows if the interest would still be as high as it is now. Like I said, he is striking while the iron is hot, but he is a fringe NFL prospect already, and having his attention diverted like this is only gonna make it that much harder on himself to make the team.
Why have a reality show at all though? It's on Oprah. It's not going to be a serious exploration of the subject matter. It's going to be some form of bullshit. It's hard not to see this purely as self-promotion.
True. I mean, the whole kiss and cake thing on TV after he was drafted was soooo orchestrated. Not saying that is a good or a bad thing, but instead of hunkering down and taking the "I want to make the team and nothing is gonna distract me from that" approach, he appears to be going in the opposite direction. But that's the world we live in now, where everybody wants their 15 minutes, even if it takes a lame ass reality show to get them.
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I've got not problem with the Sam documentary. Having a few cameras present isn't going to make you work less hard to try to make a team.
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I've got not problem with the Sam documentary. Having a few cameras present isn't going to make you work less hard to try to make a team.
Reasonable point. It might well offer him some motivation. At the same time reality TV only exists as a means of administering drama, be it from the stress of the cameras or more often scripted. HARPO wouldn't be in it if it weren't expecting a payday, and that'll only come if people are interested. Interest will require more than meetings and workouts. That equals distraction, me thinks.
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This is so sad https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2067270-roddy-whites-brother-mudered-outside-nightclub
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I've got not problem with the Sam documentary. Having a few cameras present isn't going to make you work less hard to try to make a team.
The thing that amuses me about the whole "OH NOES REALITY SHOW" thing is that I know the main reason the NFL is uptight about it they don't want anything competing with Hard Knocks. Because the NFL forcing teams to admit cameras for the reality shows they approve of is cool.
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I've never seen Hard Knocks but reading up on how they do that is pretty fucked up.
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I've never seen Hard Knocks but reading up on how they do that is pretty fucked up.
What's wrong with it?
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Forcing teams to subject their players to camera crews?
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Yeah, but it's a fun show.
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Which is why I agree with Barto that he should go totally media silent and hit the gym. I'm willing to assume he's doing what he's doing because of good intentions, but that doesn't mean he's making good decisions.
This. I don't think the dude is doing this stuff for the wrong reasons; my guess is that his motivations are generally pure. That said, I think he's a little naive, and he probably didn't fully grasp the magnitude of what his announcement would bring about. It should be expected that the media is going to try to capitalize on the story and milk in any way they can; we've already seen it from ESPN and others and I'm sure nobody was really surprised that a network wanted to film a documentary about Sam.
That said, the one thing I have sort of a problem with is his making this announcement, but then lamenting that he wishes he could just be a "football player" and not a "gay football player." I know the gay community is clamoring for him to be an outspoken figure, but what's best for him at this point is to:
STFU and live, eat and drink football for a while.
The Rams are absolutely loaded on the defensive line and he's frankly a long shot to make the final cut unless he really brings it in the coming weeks. And I'm sure he wants to earn his place rather than be a beneficiary of some team being "afraid" to cut him for political reasons.
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Forcing teams to subject their players to camera crews?
I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's not really immoral or unethical either.
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Forcing teams to subject their players to camera crews?
I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's not really immoral or unethical either.
Who said it was? ???
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I for one love watching it. Great insight on how a team works to build their 53 man roster.
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Apparently, Michael Sam's reality show is being put on hold. (https://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/19/falcons-learning-to-fly-again/2/)
In the end, Michael Sam did the right thing. He told coach Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead that he was going to make his situation right, after the Rams were blindsided by the news of the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) planning a “docuseries” on his rookie year as the first openly gay NFL player. And OWN did the right thing too, in sitting down with the Rams Friday and not trying to convince club officials what a great show this was going to be. OWN, I’m told, told the Rams they would happily postpone the series—or perhaps never do it—if that was the best thing for Sam’s attempt to make the team as a seventh-round defensive end this summer. The meeting Friday was only positive, I’m told, because OWN was clear that the only way it would do the series is if Sam wanted it and the Rams wanted it. And it’s just as clear that, for both sides, the series would be best done beginning next off-season, assuming Sam makes the team and plays some this year.
In some ways, it’s a shame we won’t see (at least now) the trials of Sam in this rookie year, the personal side of trying to be the first openly gay player fighting for a spot on the team. It would be compelling to see Sam at home with his boyfriend, and certainly a help to the LGBT community, dealing with what surely will be a stressful time in his life. But for Sam, it’s just better that it be postponed.
Why? Because Sam is a football player, a rookie trying to find his way onto a football team as an underdog low-round draft pick. Could it help him make the team, or help him make his mark? I don’t see how. But I do see how teammates could either resent him or be angry with him as a low man on the team totem pole. And Sam doesn’t need that. He needs to find his spot and be solely focused on making the team. There is going to be enough of a sideshow—big media names and TMZ showing up at Rams Park, clamoring to get a Sam story or interview—without Sam voluntarily adding to it. At the scouting combine, Sam semi-pleaded with the media to see him as a football player and not as a gay football player. It would have been hypocritical for him, then, to seek that attention by having OWN cameras in his face off the field as he battled to succeed in his first year.
Thank god.
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4th Ravens player arrested so far this year. Stay classy Baltimore.
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4th Ravens player arrested so far this year. Stay classy Baltimore.
Since the Steelers are beating the Ravens 19-17 in arrests according to this: https://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/?appSession=289107009056583&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=2&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=
I'll just leave this here for you....
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Ray Rice's press conference last Friday was a total sham. I hope the NFL comes down on him hard.
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Ray Rice's press conference last Friday was a total sham. I hope the NFL comes down on him hard.
Me too. I know that he's done a lot of good in the community over the past few years, but this whole fiasco has been embarrassing to say the least.
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Sean Lee being out for the season disappoints me. He put in work last year on one of my fantasy teams.
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LOL Sean Lee. One of the best defensive players in the league and hasn't played a full season in the 4 years he's been a pro. Another injury prone liability. Good news for cowboy haters.
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LOL Sean Lee. One of the best defensive players in the league and hasn't played a full season in the 4 years he's been a pro. Another injury prone liability. Good news for cowboy haters.
Not really. I don't like seeing good players go down, and he certainly qualifies. Hell, I routinely root for the Eagles team jet to crash, but I have a good deal of respect for LeSean McCoy and wish him nothing but the best (and a parachute). Lee might be the only player on the Cowboys that's worth respecting.
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LOL Sean Lee. One of the best defensive players in the league and hasn't played a full season in the 4 years he's been a pro. Another injury prone liability. Good news for cowboy haters.
Not really. I don't like seeing good players go down, and he certainly qualifies. Hell, I routinely root for the Eagles team jet to crash, but I have a good deal of respect for LeSean McCoy and wish him nothing but the best (and a parachute). Lee might be the only player on the Cowboys that's worth respecting.
Just out of curiosity, why LeSean McCoy?
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LOL Sean Lee. One of the best defensive players in the league and hasn't played a full season in the 4 years he's been a pro. Another injury prone liability. Good news for cowboy haters.
Not really. I don't like seeing good players go down, and he certainly qualifies. Hell, I routinely root for the Eagles team jet to crash, but I have a good deal of respect for LeSean McCoy and wish him nothing but the best (and a parachute). Lee might be the only player on the Cowboys that's worth respecting.
Just out of curiosity, why LeSean McCoy?
Fantastic all around running back who never seems to find himself at the top of anybody's list. Despite never being the workhorse of his team, it's never really "his offense." He always plays full speed and up until now never bitched or copped any attitude (and I think his current attitude is well deserved). Not crazy about the 14 wives or whatever he's got, but then I'm not looking to marry him, either.
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Fantastic all around running back who never seems to find himself at the top of anybody's list. Despite never being the workhorse of his team, it's never really "his offense." He always plays full speed and up until now never bitched or copped any attitude (and I think his current attitude is well deserved). Not crazy about the 14 wives or whatever he's got, but then I'm not looking to marry him, either.
Wuv you Barto :-*
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Fantastic all around running back who never seems to find himself at the top of anybody's list. Despite never being the workhorse of his team, it's never really "his offense." He always plays full speed and up until now never bitched or copped any attitude (and I think his current attitude is well deserved). Not crazy about the 14 wives or whatever he's got, but then I'm not looking to marry him, either.
Wuv you Barto :-*
Well, I still want their charter jet to crash and all, but you know how it is.
More importantly, I meant to say "despite always being the workhorse." Lack of proofreading pretty much bungled my sentiment.
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LOL Sean Lee. One of the best defensive players in the league and hasn't played a full season in the 4 years he's been a pro. Another injury prone liability. Good news for cowboy haters.
Not really. I don't like seeing good players go down, and he certainly qualifies. Hell, I routinely root for the Eagles team jet to crash, but I have a good deal of respect for LeSean McCoy and wish him nothing but the best (and a parachute). Lee might be the only player on the Cowboys that's worth respecting.
True, and he's definitely worth respecting. But in this league, he's not gonna get much if he can't play at least a single season without getting hurt. I didn't mean that people like seeing good players go down. But, the NFC East will have a field day with the Dallas defense this year. Without Lee they really don't have a chance. Especially with Ware gone now.
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A player was just banned from the league for a year for using marijuana.
This means Ray Rice is going to be banned for life, considering that he was caught on camera beating a woman.
Right?
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A player was just banned from the league for a year for using marijuana.
This means Ray Rice is going to be banned for life, considering that he was caught on camera beating a woman.
Right?
Well, if we're playing it that, way Daryl Washington broke his ex-girlfriend's collarbone last year. So I guess Ray Rice would have to fail two drug tests to make everything even ;D
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I have nothing against Ray Rice. I just don't understand why it isn't a foregone conclusion that Rice will be punished as severely as possible given what he did.
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Even though Josh Gordon is a total idiot for repeatedly getting high and possibly costing himself millions of dollars, it won't be good for PR for the NFL if they suspend a guy a year for getting high, while giving a slap on the wrist to a guy who beat the hell out of his girlfriend. And to me, anything less than half a season suspension IS a slap on the wrist.
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I don't know if they'll give Rice a year long suspension for his first offense, even if knocking out your girlfriend is exponentially worse than getting high.
The rumblings that I've heard here are that he'll get slapped with a 2 game suspension. I think it should be much more severe, but I anticipate the NFL spinning it as it was a legal matter having nothing to do with football (where getting high at least affects the body). A bit hypocritical, but par to the course with the NFL and how it's handled things in the past.
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The NFL can't handle its business this way though.
It's become almost self-evident that public figures now are put under a microscope and expected to act a certain way. Look at how the NBA handled Sterling. Look at how it gave Kobe a 100k fine for calling a referee a f-----. While the NBA still doesn't have the NFL's popularity, it's making far smarter long term moves in terms of how it interfaces with culture at large. Its stars are the most marketable in the world in part because they are expected to take care of their public image.
If Rice is only given a 2 game suspension, it will be a PR fiasco. It will blow over in the short term, but it will be yet another weight that hangs over the league as it tries to get new fans. How many teenagers and college students, trying to figure out how they identify themselves, are going to look at Football as barbaric and not bother?
In anything, the expectation is that, when things are getting bad, the signs will be so obvious and undeniable that you have to act on them and you'll be able to turn things around in time. In practice, problems build and build without being noticed. By the time you can't deny them, it's too late.
The NFL's setting itself up for a situation where, a couple decades down the road, it will be hemorrhaging fans. And its image will be so bad that it can't turn it around.
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Kaepernick got paid today.
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$128 over six years with 61 guaranteed. Silly thing to do, honestly.
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Paying him like someone he isn't.
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$110M according to ESPN. That is a little over $18M per year. Given the Cutler contract, I figured he would get about that much per year. But the length of the contract surprises me.
Bill Williamson doesn't wow me with his football accumen (or his writing, for that matter), but I completely agree with this:
If you don’t think Kaepernick has arrived, please think again. He is 21-8 in his NFL starts and has already won three road playoff games. He has been to the NFC Championship Game three times -- starting two -- and to the Super Bowl.
He is entering just his second full season as a starter, and he’s that accomplished. For those who might argue that he hasn't reached his potential, I offer this: How is that a bad thing?
He is only going to improve. Yes, Kaepernick does need to work on his pocket presence and yes, he's not as far along with his read progressions as the team would like.
But he will master those areas.
What quarterback was fully polished after 29 starts? He’s going to get better like all good quarterbacks do. In two years, I expect this deal to look like a bargain for the 49ers.
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The Kaep contract might be a bit high, but not by much. If he hit the open market, that's about what someone else would pay him.
I know that QBs are important, but are we sure they aren't being a bit overpaid?
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I think we'll find that, as more details emerge, this is a much more salary cap-friendly deal than it first appears. But also, what is the alternative? This is what QBs get paid these days. There really isn't a "second-tier" when it comes to QB salaries, and the salary cap is expected to increase a great deal next season. We're about to see a number of other QBs get huge deals as well, and some of them will likely make even more. Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, and Andrew Luck will all be getting new contracts soon.
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Exactly. Unless the NFL were to set a per-position cap (which it will never do), I do not see how it can ever possibly change.
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The Kaep contract might be a bit high, but not by much. If he hit the open market, that's about what someone else would pay him.
So why not wait until then? He had one year left cheap. If he continues to improve then pay him what he's worth. If he doesn't, of if he wants to bail for an extra .9mil/yr, let him. He might turn out to be worth it, but at this point he isn't and assuming he will is wishful thinking.
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Per Rotoworld:
Essentially, the Niners can cut Kaepernick before April 1 of each year without owing any more money -- so the actual guarantee is just $13 million ($12.3M signing bonus, $645K '14 base salary, $100K '14 workout bonus). There is also a de-escalator in the contract that can only be halted if Kaepernick takes the team to the Super Bowl or he is named first- or second-team All-Pro. A source tells Pro Football Talk that San Francisco is "thrilled" with the pact.
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That's actually a very good deal for them. Hell, I'd have taken that deal and I don't even think he's particularly good.
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Already posted in Funny Stuff thread: https://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/06/nfl-teams-anime.html
NFL logos if they were anime style.
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From the comments:
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"Hall of Famer Chuck Noll dies at 82"
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11080732/legendary-piitsburgh-steelers-coach-chuck-noll-dies-82
I wasn't alive during his reign, and wasn't into gridiron during his final years. But I always held him up as one of the best due to him coaching the most successful gridiron dynasty IMO.
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Easily Seattle's best coach ever. RIP.
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Easily Seattle's best coach ever. RIP.
That was Knox....
Chuck Noll was the Steelers coach from their glory years..
I will forgive this one instance of confusing Seahawk history with Steeler history. :|
EDIT: ;)
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Wrong. He coached that Christian dude who went from stocking shelves to leading Ground Chuck..
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oh.....you....
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Nice to see you finally caught on.
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"Hall of Famer Chuck Noll dies at 82"
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11080732/legendary-piitsburgh-steelers-coach-chuck-noll-dies-82
I wasn't alive during his reign, and wasn't into gridiron during his final years. But I always held him up as one of the best due to him coaching the most successful gridiron dynasty IMO.
I think the Lombardi 5-outta-7 from '61-'67 trumps their dynasty but they are easily next best.
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"Hall of Famer Chuck Noll dies at 82"
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11080732/legendary-piitsburgh-steelers-coach-chuck-noll-dies-82
I wasn't alive during his reign, and wasn't into gridiron during his final years. But I always held him up as one of the best due to him coaching the most successful gridiron dynasty IMO.
I think the Lombardi 5-outta-7 from '61-'67 trumps their dynasty but they are easily next best.
So much this.
I grew up a football fan. And when I was younger, I found myself getting caught up in the "no football before Super Bowl I" mentality. But that is a huge mistake.
After all. Without the ancient history of the NFL....where would the Browns be? :angel:
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Or the Frankford Yellow Jackets.
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Already posted in Funny Stuff thread: https://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/06/nfl-teams-anime.html
NFL logos if they were anime style.
It started off pretty strong with the Panthers, but fizzled out pretty quickly after that.
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Sounds like last season.
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You have it backwards (despite the one and done postseason.) 1-3 start followed by 11-1 finish.
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I know, but that wasn't as funny. So I went with what I wrote.
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hefdaddy logic supersedes human logic
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hefdaddy logic supersedes human logic
ergo hefdaddy supersedes human
Sounds about right.
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lol #stillgotit
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https://thinkprogress.org/default/20...cancels-trademark-for-redskins-football-team/
This is pretty rad news.
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I'm leaning toward the Redskins' side. I know the name is unpopular but it's a RAGING pile of steaming hypocritical shit that a team using a term that was, as far as I know, of ambiguous intent at the time of its selection (in the 1920s or 1930s, "redskin" was probably a word used by outsiders to refer to their people in a manner of general speaking, not a hate-mongering slur since there are many far worse words that have been used) and an image respectfully depicting a native American is the subject of a PC witch hunt while the Cleveland Indians have a team named after what Columbus (a well publicized massacrer of their people) erroneously referred to them as accompanied by a county fair-caliber sketch artist caricature hasn't had one tenth of the uproar pertaining to it that there has been toward the Redskins.
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I'm leaning toward the Redskins' side. I know the name is unpopular but it's a RAGING pile of steaming hypocritical shit that a team using a term that was, as far as I know, of ambiguous intent at the time of its selection (in the 1920s or 1930s, "redskin" was probably a word used by outsiders to refer to their people in a manner of general speaking, not a hate-mongering slur since there are many far worse words that have been used) and an image respectfully depicting a native American is the subject of a PC witch hunt while the Cleveland Indians have a team named after what Columbus (a well publicized massacrer of their people) erroneously referred to them as accompanied by a county fair-caliber sketch artist caricature hasn't had one tenth of the uproar pertaining to it that there has been toward the Redskins.
Not to mention a handful of other borderline team names/logos - Braves and Blackhawks come to mind
I agree 100% with you Floydo, but I'm going to take the stance of
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I'm leaning toward the Redskins' side. I know the name is unpopular but it's a RAGING pile of steaming hypocritical shit that a team using a term that was, as far as I know, of ambiguous intent at the time of its selection (in the 1920s or 1930s, "redskin" was probably a word used by outsiders to refer to their people in a manner of general speaking, not a hate-mongering slur since there are many far worse words that have been used) and an image respectfully depicting a native American is the subject of a PC witch hunt while the Cleveland Indians have a team named after what Columbus (a well publicized massacrer of their people) erroneously referred to them as accompanied by a county fair-caliber sketch artist caricature hasn't had one tenth of the uproar pertaining to it that there has been toward the Redskins.
I don't think that one should excuse the other, however, I will agree with your stance on the Cleveland Indians.
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I wasn't implying one should excuse the other. I was saying that their aggressive actions against the Redskins coupled with a seeming disregard for the Cleveland Indians severely undermines the sincerity of their intent.
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From what I can tell this doesn't make much difference. They still have their trademark registration and this particular board has made this very decision in the past. It would seem the Redskins have the law on their side. This really seems to be more about getting some legal leg to stand on which they can now trumpet as justification for their cause.
And no, redskin was not considered offensive until well after the team began operating.
What's interesting to me is that their current plan of attack against the Redskins is to strip them of their trademark registration, which would merely result in more people using the damn brand. You'd have guilty white people using it to try and shame Little Danny into changing his mind, which is an interesting irony if you think about it, and then you'd have lots of people trying to exploit the lack of protection to make some money. You'll see a big increase in T-shirt sales, and if Danny does change the brand, you'll see a massive increase in the knockoffs since it'll all become throwback merchandise. Probably not what the plaintiffs really want. Most interesting and ironic of all is that I'd bet $20 some of the first people to try and use the brand for profiteering will be Indians themselves. It's a no-brainer and actually very good strategy--they'd be fools not to.
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And no, redskin was not considered offensive until well after the team began operating.
Does that matter?
It obviously came to be seen as offensive by the group it describes - probably, in no small part, due to the perpetuation of the term by the football team and the NFL.
When one party uses a term to describe another party, and the second party finds the term offensive, does it matter that the first party didn't intend it that way? If it offends, it offends, and will continue to offend. The moral thing would be for the first party to stop using the damn term.
I don't know, I just can't think of a morally good reason for them to keep the name. I mean, they shouldn't be forced by the government to change it, or anything; I can just see the floodwaters coming. Eventually, there will be enough outcry about it that it will be a real problem. Seems like the best move would be to go ahead change it now.
Sometimes it's OK to back up and punt.
Just my two cents.
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It obviously came to be seen as offensive by the group it describes - probably, in no small part, due to the perpetuation of the term by the football team and the NFL.
Actually, from what I can tell a tiny, miniscule handful of the group. I guarantee you that non-Indians are driving this because Americans in general have adopted the "intolerant of intolerance" mindset. And the reason it matters is because there will always be groups of people who are offended by something, and not everybody can (or should) be able to live a life free of offense.
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Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, but are the Chicago Blackhawks under any pressure? Why haven't I heard anything about them?
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Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, but are the Chicago Blackhawks under any pressure? Why haven't I heard anything about them?
My hunch is that Blackhawk refers to either a tribe or a specific Injun. In either case it's probably seen as a heroic. It's the bad imagery that troubles those guys, not the imagery itself. It's Chief Wahoo that puzzles me. Not sure how people aren't up in arms about that (although give it a few weeks).
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Chief Wahoo still receives plenty of criticism these days, a quick search brought up many articles from this year about protests or just articles in general, you probably just don't hear about it as much because the Redskins are at the forefront of it right now. I can assure you that if the Redskins did finally change their name and logo, that the attention would shift to Cleveland swiftly.
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It obviously came to be seen as offensive by the group it describes - probably, in no small part, due to the perpetuation of the term by the football team and the NFL.
Actually, from what I can tell a tiny, miniscule handful of the group.
I don't know, seems like I've heard from a lot of Native American groups. They are mostly against the name.
And I would imagine you are right about the Blackhawks. If I'm not mistaken, the Seminole Nation is OK with Florida State using them as a mascot, so it may be the same deal here.
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It obviously came to be seen as offensive by the group it describes - probably, in no small part, due to the perpetuation of the term by the football team and the NFL.
Actually, from what I can tell a tiny, miniscule handful of the group.
I don't know, seems like I've heard from a lot of Native American groups. They are mostly against the name.
You could be right, but it also seems like a lot of them think it's a silly thing to care about. The thing is, one group is going to get all of the media coverage, and the "so-what" gang is going to be relegated to FOX and generally ignored.
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I wish the Braves would bring back Chief Noc-A-Homa
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The whole thing seems a much to do about nothing to me but I'll admit I'm indifferent. Personally I think it'll set a bad precedent if the name does get changed because of this because it does open up that can of worms. The best thing to do would be to keep the name because in the end the team still operates as a business and if people are offended, fine don't attend or watch the games. I would find it hard to believe that the NFL, itself a business entity, would actually care if the team name stays because they're too big of a growing economic juggernaut to have this even make a dent to their image or their profits.
I don't mean to sound insensitive but this whole thing seems incredibly trivial and that may be due to the fact that I have no personal connections to any Native Americans. Would it be ignorant of me to say that just based on what I've seen/heard it doesn't seem like that group is really oppressed/socially hurting in this day and age?
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Maybe. They are certainly "socially hurting."
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I'd surmise that they aren't be actively oppressed or hurt socially anymore, however they're still very much affected by what happened to them. They're saddled with the decision of trying to maintain some of their culture while living in shit conditions, or joining whitey and just becoming one of us. They're still deserving of sympathy, in my book.
That said, picking out some cause that they might or might not give a shit about and becoming indignant about it isn't helping anybody (aside from the self-congratulatory endorphin buzz some of these people might get).
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I'm not that cynical.
At any rate, no matter what I think would be the morally right thing for the Redskins organization to do, it's their team, and no outside agency should be able to force them to change it. I'm certainly not advocating that.
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I wasn't implying one should excuse the other. I was saying that their aggressive actions against the Redskins coupled with a seeming disregard for the Cleveland Indians severely undermines the sincerity of their intent.
You're right and I believe there is no sincerity. Just the flexing of political muscle to try to change something that most people don't want changed. I'm sick of whole thing actually. I don't think Redskins is a derogatory term. If it was, this debate should've taken place a long time ago when the name was decided. It's too late to whine about it now. Makes it look like some people out there just don't have anything better to do.
Anyway, how bout that non standard facemask rule this year? I guess organizations will be issued standard facemasks for all their helmets? That ought to be interesting. I wonder if color will matter. :\
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The top 10 hasn't been revealed yet, but check out 11-100 from this year's top 100, as voted by the players:
https://www.nfl.com/top100/2014#video=0ap2000000363073
Some thoughts:
-Frank Gore is 46, while Matt Forte is 91? Yikes. That should be reversed.
-Demaryius Thomas all the way down at 49 means he is probably suffering from the "he plays with Peyton Manning" syndrome.
-Good to see Russell Wilson in the top 20. He IS that good.
-Top 10 will be Peyton, Brees, Megatron, R. Sherman, Brady, Charles, AP, McCoy, AJ Green and Jimmy Graham.
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It's funny to think that Demaryius Thomas was underrated because he was stuck with below average QBs and now he's underrated because he has a legend throwing to him. At some point, we should acknowledge that he's one hell of a talent.
I think that Wilson being higher on the list than Luck is a joke. Not sure what Luck could have done more in his first two seasons to make the case that he is the best "young" QB in the league.
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Maybe not turn the ball over as much, something Wilson doesn't do nearly as often. To Luck's credit, he cut down on the INTs in this 2nd season, but then he threw like 44 in his two playoff games. Plus, Wilson does a lot more with less (much better YPA while throwing to lesser weapons). I have no doubt that Luck will continue to get better, though, and maybe even be a top 3 QB in the league someday.
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Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, but are the Chicago Blackhawks under any pressure? Why haven't I heard anything about them?
My hunch is that Blackhawk refers to either a tribe or a specific Injun. In either case it's probably seen as a heroic. It's the bad imagery that troubles those guys, not the imagery itself. It's Chief Wahoo that puzzles me. Not sure how people aren't up in arms about that (although give it a few weeks).
Black Hawk is a well known military leader against the United States territories around Lake Michigan. Growing up in Southern Wisconsin he was probably the single most well known Native American in the area. ...so, yes, he is a specific person relevant to Chicago. Many regional and US military names are in his honor. The Atlanta Hawks are actually named after him, having been the Blackhawks while in the Quad Cities and getting shortened to Hawks when they moved to Milwaukee.
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Very surprised not to see a rage post by DoC given Flacco is 58th. I also personally think Alshon Jefferey is way too low. And I don't agree that Sherman is the best player on the Seahawks.
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Very surprised not to see a rage post by DoC given Flacco is 58th. I also personally think Alshon Jefferey is way too low. And I don't agree that Sherman is the best player on the Seahawks.
Nah, I know the deal. Overall, Flacco isn't nearly as good as he played in the 2012 Postseason, nor is he nearly as bad as he looked last season.
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58th is a very generous ranking for Flacco especially when you look at some of the players he's ranked above. As much as everyone loves to bash Romo he was much better than Flacco this year.
How are these rankings done anway is it by "experts" then the fans are allowed to vote on whether the player is overrated or underrated?
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58th is a very generous ranking for Flacco especially when you look at some of the players he's ranked above. As much as everyone loves to bash Romo he was much better than Flacco this year.
How are these rankings done anway is it by "experts" then the fans are allowed to vote on whether the player is overrated or underrated?
It's voted on by the players.
And I love how 20 for Wilson and 30 for Luck are considered fine but 70 for Foles is considered very overrated. Foles easily had the best stats of the three and they're all still really young. I don't see the logic.
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I know. The 'under' and 'over' rated votes were lol-worthy.
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And I love how 20 for Wilson and 30 for Luck are considered fine but 70 for Foles is considered very overrated. Foles easily had the best stats of the three and they're all still really young. I don't see the logic.
Foles has yet to play a full season, so while he was great last year, it is probably too soon to put him too high. If he can do it again this year, he'll get his due.
Meanwhile, Wilson has put up 52 TDs and only 19 INTs in two seasons thus far, while finishing 4th in YPA both years, despite throwing to a below average receiving corps. And let's remember that Seattle's rushing attack was 4th last year thanks to Wilson to a large degree. He accounted for 539 of their 2,188 rushing yards (255), and if you take that away, they are 21st in the league in rushing.
Plus, Wilson has great pocket presence, which is something that cannot really be taught; you either have it or don't. I can't count how many times I've seen the pocket collapse, and just when it looked like Wilson was gonna go down, he wiggles out of the pocket and makes a throw for a 1st down or runs and picks up good yardage. Just think if Percy Harvin actually stays healthy for them this year; it'll be scary.
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Percy Harvin and healthy do not belong in the same sentence.
Also, 81st for Kaep... surprised we haven't seen a rage post from Bosk yet. I think that ranking is a little harsh.
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I'm not saying Foles is/will be better than Wilson, but considering their individual stats and that neither have played more than two years, I think it's absurd that Wilson at 20 is widely accepted but Foles at 70 is not. Honestly, I don't think either of them, along with Luck, should be in the top 100 after just 2 years.
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Why not? Are you saying that you cannot possibly be one of the 100 best players in the league after two seasons?
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Eh I guess you're right, since the list is supposed to be based just on 2014 expectations. I still think top 30 is too high for them though.
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Eric Dickerson would like a word with you, Tommy.
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Eric Dickerson would like a word with you, Tommy.
I was actually pretty close to bringing him up as an exception, but you beat me to it
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Yup. Something about 3913/32 over an RB's first two seasons leaves an indelible impression. It's funny how even though he added 3055/23 over his 3rd/4th seasons that was him slowing down. I think we may one day see someone eclipse 55 rushing TDs in their first 4 seasons on the current 16-game schedule but I have virtually no faith in anyone ever getting 6968 yards in their first 64 games.
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https://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/33243/20140705/josh_gordon_arrested_on_suspicion_of_dwi/
:facepalm:
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I saw that yesterday. It goes without saying that Josh Gordon is a total moron.
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Also, 81st for Kaep... surprised we haven't seen a rage post from Bosk yet. I think that ranking is a little harsh.
Feels a bit low, but no rage from me. Aside from the fact that ranking is NEVER an exact science (and that get even more amplified when you are ranking such different positions against each other), Kaep is difficult to really rank because he has only started his position for 1 1/2 seasons and for most of last season, his receiving corps was decimated. He's a good QB, but I can't begrudge a ranking that puts him at 81 right now. There are a couple of QB's ahead of him that do get a raised eyebrow, however.
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Gotta love him.
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^^^
Awesome, especially in light of all of these baffoons making the wrong choices.
I saw that yesterday. It goes without saying that Josh Gordon is a total moron.
I like what the Indy WR who was suspended last week said. In the ESPN blurb, he mentioned to reporters that he needed to choose between "money or marijuana" last year. Guess weed won. :facepalm:
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The rest of the NFL top 10:
10 Jimmy Graham
09 AJ Green
08 Jamaal Charles
07 Richard Sherman
06 Drew Brees
05 LeSean McCoy
04 Adrian Peterson
03 Tom Brady
02 Calvin Johnson
01 Peyton Manning
I disagree with McCoy being better than Charles. Charles was basically the entire Chiefs offense last year.
While I get why Peyton is number 1, I still say that Rodgers is the best QB in the league, but he did miss significant time last year, so it makes sense why he dropped out of the top 10.
Sherman being the only defensive player in the top 10 doesn't surprise me because a) he is the most high profile player on a defense that just had one of the best seasons a defense has ever had, and b) this was voted on by the players, and I suspect a lot of players around the league love him for saying stuff they'd love to also say.
Brady at 3 after his down season by his standards is laughable, but not surprising.
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I don't even think McCoy should be in the top 10.
It's sad that only on D is in the top 10. Goes to show D is represented by a team effort, while O is largely a collection of individual efforts. I'd also take a guy like Watt, Kuechly or Mathis over Sherman. It's easier to isolate and stay away from CBs than it is the guys in on the line. I can't help but think that Sherman's drive-stopping deflection is giving him a bit of a halo effect.
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Not sure I see the basis for blasting a ranking decided by the people best equipped to do set it. Bagging on Brady being ranked 3rd might make sense if you basing it on sportswriters and their biases. When it's the people who better understand what he does, from the perspective of both sides of the ball, it's a different matter. Furthermore, It doesn't sound like they were basing it on one year or contribution to the team (MVP). Experience factors into that. Percentage of O a player brings to a week team counts some (focus of the D), but not a huge amount overall.
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Then can we simply blast it on the basis of it not having the top 22 being the 49ers' starting offense and defense? That seems like a good basis to me. :)
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Not sure I see the basis for blasting a ranking decided by the people best equipped to do set it. Bagging on Brady being ranked 3rd might make sense if you basing it on sportswriters and their biases. When it's the people who better understand what he does, from the perspective of both sides of the ball, it's a different matter. Furthermore, It doesn't sound like they were basing it on one year or contribution to the team (MVP). Experience factors into that. Percentage of O a player brings to a week team counts some (focus of the D), but not a huge amount overall.
I didn't think I or Kev were blasting the rankings, just offering our viewpoint/opinion. It *was* labeled "top 100 players of 2014", so I do think it's based solely on current output/talent. If not, then how can anyone put a 2-year guy like Luke Kuechly ahead of an 11 year guy like Robert Mathis?
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Forty whiners suck! :biggrin:
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Not sure I see the basis for blasting a ranking decided by the people best equipped to do set it. Bagging on Brady being ranked 3rd might make sense if you basing it on sportswriters and their biases. When it's the people who better understand what he does, from the perspective of both sides of the ball, it's a different matter. Furthermore, It doesn't sound like they were basing it on one year or contribution to the team (MVP). Experience factors into that. Percentage of O a player brings to a week team counts some (focus of the D), but not a huge amount overall.
I didn't think I or Kev were blasting the rankings, just offering our viewpoint/opinion. It *was* labeled "top 100 players of 2014", so I do think it's based solely on current output/talent. If not, then how can anyone put a 2-year guy like Luke Kuechly ahead of an 11 year guy like Robert Mathis?
Yeah, y'all weren't blasting it. Still, I'd consider their opinions more valid than most. As for experience, the reason Mathis doesn't outrank Kuechly is because the latter is considered a better player; experience is just one component of it. Josh McCown had a better passer rating than Rodgers, Brees and Russel Wilson, but nobody's going to call him the better QB of the lot, simply because he's not. You look at lots of things, and 10 years of being badass help your standing more than one year of being exceptional.
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10 years of being badass help your standing more than one year of being exceptional.
That's pretty much my motto at work.
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10 years of being badass help your standing more than one year of being exceptional.
But apparently 2 years of being exceptional (Kuechly) does out rank 10 badass years (Matthis)? I'm not following your position. Comparing McCoun to Rodgers/Brees/Wilson is just looking at the stats, and not the total picture to determine "top players". I get that it's more than just 2013 stats that should be considered. All things considered, I think Matthis > Kuechly. Not by much, but by a little.
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I take players' opinions on who the best players are with the same grain of salt I take when musicians' critique their own work. Often times, you are too close to be truly objective.
Personally, not only would JJ Watt be the highest-ranked defensive player, but he'd be in my top 5 along with Rodgers, Megatron, AP and Charles (Peyton would be 6th).
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Eh, Lists. Who gives a flying ****.
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I must be the only one here that was much more impressed with what Brady accomplished in 2013 than what Manning did.
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I must be the only one here that was much more impressed with what Brady accomplished in 2013 than what Manning did.
I don't know about all that, but I do think Brady gets more shit than he should for last season. He did a helluva lot through a ton of adversity.
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I must be the only one here that was much more impressed with what Brady accomplished in 2013 than what Manning did.
You were more impressed by the guy who threw 30 less touchdowns? Really? If you want to talk team results, sure, feel free to give Brady all of the credit for 12 wins in a season where he was erratic more often than not. If anything, I'll give Brady props for playing big at the end of games in which he was otherwise pretty average. Those 4th Q comebacks are always flashy and glitzy and look good on Sportscenter, but his accuracy and consistency were down last year, as were pretty much all of his individual numbers. Yes, he was working with lesser talent at WR than he was used to, but the eye test was not kind to him for many spells last year. Hell, he played poorly in the AFCCG until the 4th quarter when he got hot when the game was all but out of reach and the Broncos were in "let the clock drain" mode.
Did Peyton Manning benefit by having a great talent of receivers? Absolutely. But if it were that easy to throw 55 touchdowns when you have great talent, he wouldn't have been the the first one to do it. And let's not forget that Peyton did it despite not having his two best offensive lineman for practically the whole season. Peyton had arguably the best regular season any QB has EVER had, yet you were more impressed with Brady? Whatever floats your boat, man.
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Also, let me remind you all that as recently as 2012, I was still saying that I thought Brady was the slightly better all-time QB than Manning, but the last two years have moved Manning back ahead for me. Yes, the Super Bowl was a disaster, on all team levels, but he's been mostly totally awesome since coming to Denver, while the beginning of Brady's decline last year was more than obvious to anyone who watched him play a lot.
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1A/1B and it can flip flop every Sunday, every year.
Even as a Brady nut and something I will never see that up close again in my lifetime, I will always look at Montana as #1.
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But see, I think they are 2a and 2b now, and even that might be doing a disservice to Drew Brees. That is that bugs me, this assumption that just because Brady and Manning are the two best quarterbacks of the 21st century all-time that they are automatically the two best quarterbacks. It doesn't always work that way. To me, Aaron Rodgers was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL from the start of the 2010 postseason-2012 (and could have been the best again last year if not for getting hurt).
As for number 1 all-time, you can make strong arguments for Montana, Manning, Brady, Elway, etc., and it is sad that we sometimes have to tear down one of those greatr to prop another up, something I know I am guilty of.
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Well, I'm just pointing out of this generation. Last year Brady was not on his game but when you go into the season with your best receiver having 22 catches as his highest season (and mind you the only receiver on the team to catch a Brady pass at all) you can only think with the style of their passing game, timed patterns, that Brady would take a big hit in #'s. Seriously all other receivers to start the season had previous highs for receptions at 22, (Julian Endelman) Amendola, 1st year with Brady, 3 rookie recievers (Joyce, Dobson & Thompkins), Gronk on the IR, No murderer on the team anynore, ect, you can see why his #'s took such a big, big hit so to the outside football fans, they will say, "He's lost it)
No QB would have handled it like he sis and still win that amount of games. And yes I know their weaknesses in playoff games. I blame BB the GM.
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Just popping in to say Bleacher Report is the worst site ever.
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It's weird ... I'm both unimpressed, and impressed with Brady's results last year. I agree wholeheartedly with both Kev and Joe. What he did to lead THAT offense and team to 12 wins, and the AFCCG was damn impressive. But the games that I did watch, I was just sad to see the decline in what I believe is the greatest QB in the last 15 years. It's painfully obvious his best years are long behind him, and he's rapidly on his was to becoming a middle of the pack QB. I had him in my pool, and started Phillip Rivers more often than I did Brady. Statistically, it was his worst season ever. Lots of factors sure (as explained by Joe), but at the end if the day, he still looked unimpressive, and put up unimpressive numbers... Yet led the team to an impressive season.
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No matter how great a QB is if all the pieces are not their, teams will find the weakness and exploit it. Last year it was all on Brady's shoulder. Add the fact the for the 1st year, the offensive line was porous, and Brady's decline of what little mobility adding the lack of trust with all these new receivers added to him holding onto the ball to much, throwing a bit early in these timing passing routes with the new receivers added to a very poor year. Add that Ridley again fumbled too much again and was benched and only at the end of the season did the running game get on track, left Brady in a bad position.
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That's not really true, kingshmegland. Their running game was pretty much great all year. Their rushing totals for each week were:
158
54
156
132
82
141
90
152
197
bye week
107
116
88
87
96
142
267
234
64
So, while their two best rushing games were in Week 17 and the first playoff game, their rushing game was great all year for the most part.
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That's not true either. Need to look at the attempts of yards, plus there were so many fumbles last year. Their running game lacked last year even though they were going to the run game last year.
10 fumbles though 4.4 2013 When Blount took over you see the 200 plus yard games. that helped get to the 4.4. Until the end of the season they were strugglinh
6 fumbles and 4.4 2012
The Offensive line was very porous last year and it was documented well here in N.E.
I don't disagree that Brady is not what he was a few years ago but the decline is not what you are portraying.
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???
They were 9th in both rushing yards and YPA last year, so fumbles aside (10 fumbles by the RBs, 6 of them lost fumbles)n , they ran it well almost all season, as I showed.
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Kev, their numbers got better at the end of the season. Most of the fumbles were early on then they benched Ridley. I know I follow the team. The rushing YPC were down until try inserted Blount. He was a wrecking ball. Again you're taking it like I'm defending Brady. Brady has, like any other player at his age will decline, but his level of play is much higher than all his age who played. He just got stuck with too many young players trying to understand the system.
All I'm saying is that the first 10 games they for the most part were struggling offensively. Look at the amount of points, 23,13,23,6,, they for the most point couldn't pass since Brady had no confidence in receivers except for Endelman who the year before had a career high of 22 receptions. The running game struggles with games and when they did rack up #'s they fumbled the ball 6 times in the red zone!
Again, numbers don't tell everything. I was there and watched ever game I wasn't at. I know the struggles of this team.
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Okay, but fumbles do not always equal fumbles lost. Big difference.
I know you follow the team way more than I do, but look at the numbers again. Sure, they racked up that monster rushing game against Buffalo in Week 1, but they went over 130 rushing yards in six of their nine games before the bye week. That is not a team struggling to run the ball. And they were missing Vereen for much of the first half of the season, too! If anything, their offensive struggles early on, despite running the ball well, was because Brady was struggling early on. Some of that can be contributed to playing with new and young WRs, yes, but not all of it.
Anyway, my main point, again, is that the Patriots had a very good running game last year. 9th in yards and 9th in YPC. Those are facts which cannot be disputed. :biggrin:
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Eh, Lists. Who gives a flying ****.
:rollin
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:lol jaq
Kev. I guess the better way of saying it was empty yards on the run. Forward to the playoffs their running game was poor. The passing. Game needs to produce this year
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They're showing Walter Payton A Football Life on NFL Network right now. What an amazing player he was. Unbelievable! :hefdaddy
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:lol jaq
Kev. I guess the better way of saying it was empty yards on the run. Forward to the playoffs their running game was poor. The passing. Game needs to produce this year
The whole team needs to produce. Sorry Kingshmegland, but I will go with Kev. Brady is declining, and significantly worse than the more gradual come down. Yeah, the WRs and line sucked last year. Gonk playing 7 games and Hernandez in jail hurt more. But I wouldn't put the offensive side much worst than in Brady's early years (01-03), if at all. They still made it to what, #5 in points? That is more telling to me than anything. As usual, the D was streaky and therefore sub-par, which really has been the difference in the second half of his career I feel.
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They're showing Walter Payton A Football Life on NFL Network right now. What an amazing player he was. Unbelievable! :hefdaddy
my all-time favorite. :heart Sweetness
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:lol jaq
Kev. I guess the better way of saying it was empty yards on the run. Forward to the playoffs their running game was poor. The passing. Game needs to produce this year
The whole team needs to produce. Sorry Kingshmegland, but I will go with Kev. Brady is declining, and significantly worse than the more gradual come down. Yeah, the WRs and line sucked last year. Gonk playing 7 games and Hernandez in jail hurt more. But I wouldn't put the offensive side much worst than in Brady's early years (01-03), if at all. They still made it to what, #5 in points? That is more telling to me than anything. As usual, the D was streaky and therefore sub-par, which really has been the difference in the second half of his career I feel.
I'm not saying he's not declining. Of course he is. But not at the rate most are suggesting. No way in hell the pieces hear have helped. We should look at it another way. With this bad offensive line up, Brady still got the team to have the 5th most points in the league.
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Having the 9th best rushing attack sure did help... :biggrin:
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:lol
Like I said, it's when you get those yard and when they needed to run like the Denver playoff game, how did they do? :lol
Yup, I know you know the answer Kev. :lol
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They did about as well as Brady did throwing the ball (before the Broncos D went into their "kill the clock" prevent mode at 23-3). :lol :lol
:hat
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Damn straight! :lol
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Saints signed Jimmy Graham to a 4-year $40M contract with $21M guaranteed. This means Drew Brees will have his prime target all the way through his 17th season at least.
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You may or may not agree with me on this subject, but it's something I have been thinking about since last night's ESPY Awards.
I am very excited for the most popular and visible sport in our country having an openly gay player. It shows growth and developing equality in our culture. I am not excited that the pioneer for such an important moment in American history is Michael Sam. There is something about him that feels primarily self serving and disingenuous. The remarkable thing about Jackie Robinson wasn't that he was simply the first african-american to play major league baseball, it was the man he was during that experience. I pray that this young man proves to be more than he appears.
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I basically agree. Props to him for having the guts to come out, but I think his infatuation with being a celebrity in that regard is gonna be his downfall as a football player. He was a fringe prospect anyway. It'll be a lot more interesting when someone projected as a 1st round pick comes out before the draft.
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But was he a fringe prospect because of him coming out before the draft? I think so. Wasn't he projected in the 3rd round?
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I don't think so. Kiper had him going around the 5th round from the start, IIRC.
But hey, he has a chance to prove all the naysayers wrong.
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Very true.
well, I'm just looking forward to football again. I'll be going to the open practices for N.E. on vacation. It's a fun time.
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When you go, play a drinking game. Take a swig of beer every time you see Belichick with that miserable scowl on his face. :biggrin:
And then call for a taxi when you are leaving... :lol :lol
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I'd get arrested! :lol
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Normally it's considered odd to call a taxi from the back of an ambulance.
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:lol :lol
Also, I just noticed that almost all of the Thursday night games this year are divisional games, the only exceptions being GB/Sea to begin the season and Dallas/Chicago the week after Thanksgiving (and both play Thanksgiving). I sort of like the fact that it might mean they will be better games since divisional games are usually good, but I hate the idea of great rivalry games like SF/Sea and Balt/Pitt not being as great cause they are playing on a short week.
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:lol
I'd mess that up too! :lol
I agree Kev. The NFL need rating if they want Thursday night Football to continue so you can't keep having games that don't mean anything and no matter what, rival games no matter how good and bad teams are, seem to be tough fought contests. save for a few games last year.
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Sidney Rice retires.
https://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11254374
No big surprise.
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If I had to face the 49ers defense twice a year, I might retire too. :goniners:
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(https://i.imgur.com/rsmADWh.gif)
Eh, your defense doesn't seem to be too much of a hassle :P
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Gronk has been cleared for practice on the first day of camp. Full contact!! :metal
Now if he could just not get injured. :lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/rsmADWh.gif)
Eh, your defense doesn't seem to be too much of a hassle :P
:rollin :rollin
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Packers. The end.
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Gronk has been cleared for practice on the first day of camp. Full contact!! :metal
Now if he could just not get injured. :lol
I believe it when it doesn't happen.
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I agree. He's so dynamite when he's on the field but damn can he make at least 14 games?
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I agree. He's so dynamite when he's on the field but damn can he make at least 14 games?
You should aim for 10.
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Ray Rice is only getting two games for beating the crap out of his future wife. What an utter and complete joke.
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Ray Rice is only getting two games for beating the crap out of his future wife. What an utter and complete joke.
That's ridiculous.
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Some day, I'm going to stop watching Football. And I'll immediately wonder why I didn't stop sooner.
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If the Saints had hit their wives instead of opposing offensive players, we'd have made the playoffs in 2012.
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Ray Rice is only getting two games for beating the crap out of his future wife. What an utter and complete joke.
Hey, thank God he was just getting drunk and beating his old lady. Imagine if he'd been smoking weed. That would have been serious.
The league is an entity that depends on integrity and in the confidence of the public and we simply cannot tolerate conduct that endangers others or reflects negatively on our game. This is particularly true with respect to domestic violence and other forms of violence against women.
Man, this is seriously a joke.
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Which one of these is more likely to be true?:
- The league knew the suspension was bullshit, but didn't want to suspend Rice for more than two games due to some shady political reason.
- The league honestly thought this suspension was a reasonable reaction to what he did.
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Apparently his wife (you know, the woman actually involved, who later married him - they were only engaged at the time) testified on his behalf to the NFL higher-ups. That, along with his previously good record, got him only two games.
Still seems a little low to me.
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Honestly, the word of his old lady means dick to me. Wives are notoriously defensive of their husbands in situations such as this. My guess is that the penalty was based on the fact that there's no evidence that he actually knocked her out, and that the cops didn't charge him with much. If they'd stuck with the felony assault charge we might have seen a stiffer penalty (but may not--again, no pot involved).
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No pot?
No dogs?
No QBs?
2 games.
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Can't defend Rice. I could make some minor (weak) counterpoints, but I don't want to downplay the seriousness of what he did, and nothing excuses what he did.
Haven't worn my Rice jersey since this incident, and I may never wear it again.
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Apparently his wife (you know, the woman actually involved, who later married him - they were only engaged at the time) testified on his behalf to the NFL higher-ups. That, along with his previously good record, got him only two games.
Still seems a little low to me.
I know what you mean. If had been a domestic violence thing with some grey area, I can see why her testimony and his previous behavior might swing things.
But he punched her in the face. And we have video of it.
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Apparently his wife (you know, the woman actually involved, who later married him - they were only engaged at the time) testified on his behalf to the NFL higher-ups. That, along with his previously good record, got him only two games.
Still seems a little low to me.
I know what you mean. If had been a domestic violence thing with some grey area, I can see why her testimony and his previous behavior might swing things.
But he punched her in the face. And we have video of it.
Whoa, we do? I only saw video of him dragging her out of the lift.
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Whoa, we do? I only saw video of him dragging her out of the lift.
We don't. I'm stupid. My fault.
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No, actually you're correct. Johnny has video but it hasn't been made public yet. He does have witness reports of him belting her like he'd punch a man. Also, if she lost consciousness that should probably entail a trip to the ER. Surprised they charged her the same as him.
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I just can't comprehend it. The league's argument is that Rice's suspension was two games because he's such a great guy. But they're framing it wrong. If he wasn't a great guy, a year-long suspension would be more than deserved. A four game suspension is the bare minimum acceptable length.
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Some day, I'm going to stop watching Football. And I'll immediately wonder why I didn't stop sooner.
I've said that first sentence to myself numerous times. Never gonna happen. Watching football is like working for the CIA. Once you're in, they've got you for life. :lol
I just can't comprehend it. The league's argument is that Rice's suspension was two games because he's such a great guy. But they're framing it wrong. If he wasn't a great guy, a year-long suspension would be more than deserved. A four game suspension is the bare minimum acceptable length.
Politics is difficult to fathom for sure but unfortunately it's still alive and well in just about everything we see and do. Fun and games. If you're liked, they're lenient. If you're not, they're not.
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Now, now, fellas, John Harbaugh himself said this Ray Rice thing is no big deal... :eek
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Well shit, sometimes a woman makes you mad and you punch her so viciously that she passes out. We've all been there.
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(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/Kaepdrugs_zps284fe745.jpg)
Hmmmm.... I wonder what Kaep is doing this offseason...
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LOL Kaep. :lol
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Perhaps I'm missing a joke or something, but that's Manziel.
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Perhaps I'm missing a joke or something, but that's Manziel.
Ah....
I just did a bit more research and you are correct. There were some sites reporting it was Kaep...but they are obviously wrong. I thought it looked like Kaep, so I was fooled. Sorry.
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I should have known from the lack of ink...but I was only looking at the partial face.
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When there are very prominent concerns about your character, it makes sense to snort cocaine in places where people can easily take pictures of you to post on the Internet.
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When there are very prominent concerns about your character, it makes sense to snort cocaine in places where people can easily take pictures of you to post on the Internet.
Yup. Like the Patriot's scouting report said, the kid thinks he's smart enough to game the system. That's what I considered the fatal flaw against him and that's looking more and more true.
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I found it and read it. Good god. Why would you want to draft this guy?
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Desperate teams resort to desperate measures. Neither Jim Brown nor Otto Graham are suitin up any time soon.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000372268/article/why-terrell-davis-belongs-in-the-hall-of-fame
Could not agree more.
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Same here.
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The most heinous transgression in T.D.'s Hall of Fame candidacy is that in the seven years he has been eligible, the running back hasn't even made it down to the final 15. This means voters haven't even had the opportunity to discuss his merits.
Yeah, he should probably get more consideration. That consideration could well result in his not getting in and I wouldn't be troubled by that. For me it'd depend on who the other candidates were, and honestly, a long and great career means more to me than 4 awesome seasons.
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Anyone interested in participating in a Fantasy Pool again? I'm up for it, but would also put $$$ into it to make it a little more interesting, and hopefully eliminate anyone from dropping out. I don't have the bandwidth to be the commissioner, but will glady partake in anyone else who can do so.
Edit - just read the TD article. He's one of my favorite players ever, and I think that argument does have merits, but I do also think career longevity is a relevant measurement/criteria to be in the HoF. Tough call.
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How much $$$ are you thinking?
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See this thread for fantasy talk:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41930.0
Barto, TD not having a bunch of average seasons to inflate his overall total doesn't make him less of a Hall of Fame player. His peak was as good as any RBs ever was, so saying he isn't worthy because he didn't have longevity doesn't hold a lot of water, IMO. I'll take a phenomenal short career over a very good long one any day of the week.
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How much $$$ are you thinking?
Like $20 or $25 each
Whoops... missed that thread - was traveling when you launched it. Ok, will take it over there.
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Barto, TD not having a bunch of average seasons to inflate his overall total doesn't make him less of a Hall of Fame player. His peak was as good as any RBs ever was, so saying he isn't worthy because he didn't have longevity doesn't hold a lot of water, IMO. I'll take a phenomenal short career over a very good long one any day of the week.
I tend to think longevity should generally be part of the equation as well. But in Davis' case, I agree with you. It's not like he only had 4 great seasons coupled with a bunch of mediocre seasons. He had 4 great seasons and his career was cut short because of injuries. I might not feel right about including a great player with a similarly short career whose highlights were not quite as high as Davis'. But I can definitely see the argument for including him.
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Barto, TD not having a bunch of average seasons to inflate his overall total doesn't make him less of a Hall of Fame player. His peak was as good as any RBs ever was, so saying he isn't worthy because he didn't have longevity doesn't hold a lot of water, IMO. I'll take a phenomenal short career over a very good long one any day of the week.
I tend to think longevity should generally be part of the equation as well. But in Davis' case, I agree with you. It's not like he only had 4 great seasons coupled with a bunch of mediocre seasons. He had 4 great seasons and his career was cut short because of injuries. I might not feel right about including a great player with a similarly short career whose highlights were not quite as high as Davis'. But I can definitely see the argument for including him.
I too see the point for including him, but I also see the point of not including him. Why should 'quality' of ones career supersede the 'quantity'? It's never worked the other way... should Kerry Collins be under consideration because he's got 17 years under his belt? Gary Anderson and his 23 years should automatically get him in?
Just playing devil's advocate.
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Yeah, I know. It's hard to counter that because I don't think there really is a strong counter to it. I think quality and quantity are both necessary factors. But of the two, I think if you had to choose which one was the more important, it would have to be quality.
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Yeah, I know. It's hard to counter that because I don't think there really is a strong counter to it. I think quality and quantity are both necessary factors. But of the two, I think if you had to choose which one was the more important, it would have to be quality.
:iagree:
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Very few great players currently in the Hall, who had long careers, were great EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Kind of like what Kev said, TD didn't have a bunch of "average" seasons to pad out a long career. The apt comparison is to someone like Gayle Sayres.
Can't see why a career cut short due to injury should hamper a guy who was the class of the NFL at his position for four years, and with the career post-season marks he has, even though it was a shortened career.
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I'm not opposed to him getting in. I'm just saying that I could see how other players get passed him based on long, storied careers vs. the four great years thing. Also, another way of looking at TD might be that he was made of glass. Seven years is remarkably short for an above average NFL RB. Does nobody think that durability should be one of the many factors in determining HOFitude? Particularly for RBs?
Again, not arguing against, just speculating.
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He wasn't made of glass. He got hurt early in 1999 when his knee got rolled up on chasing a defender after an INT and he was never the same after that.
Think of it this way: say he had played five more years and gained 700 yards each year, which is pretty mediocre for a starting NFL RB. He would be over 10,000 yards and he'd easily make it, given his peak and postseason accomplishments, right? So, are you telling me he is not worthy because he didn't do that. Having five mediocre seasons would have suddenly make him more worthy, simply because it would have given him more years? That just doesn't make sense to me.
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He wasn't made of glass. He got hurt early in 1999 when his knee got rolled up on chasing a defender after an INT and he was never the same after that.
I'm not trying to argue that he was made of glass, although it does seem that he lacked durability, but you're understating things. The INT return was an ACL/MCL injury, which is not a career ender (even back then). In 2000 it was a leg injury. In 2001 he had arthroscopic surgery on both knees, not just the previously injured one.
Your second point is a good one, but I'd suggest that under your scenario the 5 mediocre seasons (I assume you're talking about after the 3 injury plagued ones) would only hurt his chances. And I'll reiterate, I'm not lobbying against the guy. I'm just saying that the brevity of his career needs to be factored in when compared to the other eligible players.
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I'm with EB, and again... TD is one of my most favorite players ever. I'm not arguing against his HoF worthiness, just that I understand why he's not getting an automatic look because of his 4 unbelievable seasons.
I'm just saying I see both sides of the argument, and it's a tough call.
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He wasn't made of glass. He got hurt early in 1999 when his knee got rolled up on chasing a defender after an INT and he was never the same after that.
I'm not trying to argue that he was made of glass, although it does seem that he lacked durability, but you're understating things. The INT return was an ACL/MCL injury, which is not a career ender (even back then). In 2000 it was a leg injury. In 2001 he had arthroscopic surgery on both knees, not just the previously injured one.
Okay, but it's impossible to know if those other injuries were the result of the first one. Like, a player favors one side after hurting the other, and before you know it, they've hurt that one, too. It's not that uncommon for that to happen. I mean, he was healthy as a horse his first 4+ years in the league, so if he was made of glass, why did the injury problems not happened during any of those years, yet suddenly creep up the minute he got hit with a freak injury (the shredded knee in '99)?
Your second point is a good one, but I'd suggest that under your scenario the 5 mediocre seasons (I assume you're talking about after the 3 injury plagued ones) would only hurt his chances. And I'll reiterate, I'm not lobbying against the guy. I'm just saying that the brevity of his career needs to be factored in when compared to the other eligible players.
I disagree. Jerome Bettis, who has gotten more HoF support than Davis from voters (which is an utter joke), had just as many mediocre seasons as he had great/really good ones, and even his best seasons didn't come close to being as awesome as Davis' best three (especially when taking the playoffs into account).
Hell, we might as call Davis' eight postseason games another half season, and in that half season, he went for 1,140 yards, 5.6 YPC and 12 touchdowns, and those were all games against playoff teams, not to mention that in the '98 playoffs alone, he went for 199 (on only 21 carries) against Miami's number 3 ranked defense (in a game in which he sat out a good part of the 2nd half because they were winning by so much), 167 against the Jets number 7 ranked defense, and 102 in the Super Bowl against the Falcons number 8 ranked defense.
One more fun fact: Davis has been All-Pro 1st team as many times as Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson and Marshall Faulk, and only less time than Emmitt Smith (four surefire Hall of Fame RBs). Just saying... :)
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And all those RB's are surefire HoF inductees because they had more than 4 great seasons.
Kev... no one's disputing the quality of TDs career - it's the reason (and because it was the Bronco's) he's one of my favorites all time. But quality alone doesn't get you into the HoF (Sayers not withstanding), and I'll give you the perfect example that I believe proves it - Sterling Sharpe. If that guy isn't HoF material, then I'm (sadly) not holding out hope that TD will get in.
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I'd have no problem with Sharpe making it, although WRs practically have to give up their first born to get in :lol, but it's notable that Sharpe didn't pile up nearly the postseason resume that Davis did. Sharpe was great in both postseason games he played in following the 1994 season, but he never won a ring, was never the Super Bowl MVP, was never MVP of the regular season, never hit a milestone achievement like 2,000 yards, etc. :)
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He wasn't made of glass. He got hurt early in 1999 when his knee got rolled up on chasing a defender after an INT and he was never the same after that.
I'm not trying to argue that he was made of glass, although it does seem that he lacked durability, but you're understating things. The INT return was an ACL/MCL injury, which is not a career ender (even back then). In 2000 it was a leg injury. In 2001 he had arthroscopic surgery on both knees, not just the previously injured one.
Okay, but it's impossible to know if those other injuries were the result of the first one. Like, a player favors one side after hurting the other, and before you know it, they've hurt that one, too. It's not that uncommon for that to happen. I mean, he was healthy as a horse his first 4+ years in the league, so if he was made of glass, why did the injury problems not happened during any of those years, yet suddenly creep up the minute he got hit with a freak injury (the shredded knee in '99)?
Lack of durability. Honestly, Kev, wouldn't you almost have to consider the ability to play more than 4 seasons a characteristic of a world class running back?
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He played seven seasons. Sure, the last three were riddled with injuries and he only played 17 games in those three seasons, but he still played seven seasons. Adrian Peterson has only played a full 16 games in three of his seven seasons; if he retired today, would we dock him for that?
Also, Davis played 10 more games than Gale Sayers played, not counting the playoffs. Just saying...
And for the record, I do not think he is a no-brain Hall of Famer, ala those other RBs I mentioned. I just think he should be getting way more consideration than he has been getting. The fact that Bettis gets further in the voting every year than him is an absolute joke, if nothing else. :censored
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:iagree:
I think we're in violent agreement on our collective opinions of the situation. He should be getting more consideration, but it's understandable why he isn't. It's not really fair, but it's understandable.
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I wonder when Bobby Hebert will get his due.
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I wonder when Bobby Hebert will get his due.
Me too.
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I don't put much stock in the PF HoF due to the offensive skill position bias. It has gotten maybe a little better.
If we had a CB who played six years, dominated the league for four of them, led the league in INTs during two of them, and won a defensive MVP, would there be a debate for him for the PF HoF? Any position outside of QB,RB or WR needs a huge career of prolonged success I feel more often than not.
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:iagree:
I think we're in violent agreement on our collective opinions of the situation. He should be getting more consideration, but it's understandable why he isn't. It's not really fair, but it's understandable.
:hat
I wonder when Bobby Hebert will get his due.
And Rodney Peete.
I don't put much stock in the PF HoF due to the offensive skill position bias. It has gotten maybe a little better.
If we had a CB who played six years, dominated the league for four of them, led the league in INTs during two of them, and won a defensive MVP, would there be a debate for him for the PF HoF? Any position outside of QB,RB or WR needs a huge career of prolonged success I feel more often than not.
Eh? WRs practically have to give up their first born to get in, and even then, it takes years for deserving WRs to make it. I mean, how in the hell does Marvin Harrison not make it in his first year of eligibility??
And shall I point out Terrell Davis again? If there was this bias for skill position players, he'd be in already.
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That's my exact point with my example; if a CB, or a WR as you say (Sterling Sharpe) had a similar career as Davis, this wouldn't be a conversation, they just would not even be considered.
I may be off about WRs, but then again, there is Lynn Swann. My overall point is that offense players are over-represented vs. other positions, considering the ratio of players on a team. So my overall respect for the HoF's process is not very high, and Terrell Davis being considered is a prime example.
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I suppose. Regarding Swann, I think he only get in eventually because he was considered a core player on a dynasty that won four championships. Same for Terry Bradshaw.
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Brett Favre will be inducted in the Packers Hall of Fame in 2015, and have his jersey, #4, retired :metal
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So the Pats head down to Washington to practice all week with the Redskins before their 1st preseason game Thursday. I really like that the last few years the Pats have done this. Good completion early for the guys.
Funny though. I never watch a full preseason game ever even though I'm a football nut. Hell! I never watch the last preseason game.
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I never watch a full preseason game ever even though I'm a football nut. Hell! I never watch the last preseason game.
If I could watch them live I probably would but the Packer's games are mostly late here (around 2 AM), no way I'm staying up that late. Keeping myself from checking the score until I get 2-3 hours to watch the game a couple of days later is just way too much work for pre-season, so I will probably just watch the highlights.
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There's never a good reason to watch preseason.
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There's never a good reason to watch preseason.
If I could catch Pat's preseason I probably would, just so I could get a better read on the young guys. Huh, might look into that.
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I usually watch quite a bit of the 2nd to last week of games, although I won't go out of my way to do so, but other than that, I don't watch much. I pay more attention to player reports so I can get a handle on what players are looking good for the purposes of fantasy football. :biggrin:
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Bengals sign Andy Dalton to a six year 115 million dollar extension.
Unrelated, multiple members of their front office were arrested for crack cocaine possession.
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The first week of preseason I watch as much as I can, because it's football.
The second week, I just catch the Panthers game.
The third week, I watch as much as I can, because that is the week of preseason that starters normally play the most. So it's almost real.
The fourth week, I just catch the Panthers game.
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Giants fan, but I think I watched about 5 minutes of the game last night. I usually only watch some of the 3rd game because that is the game that has the starters play the most and is usually the best example of both teams playing a real game. However, I dont give a crap about preseason and its only exciting because it IS football and the first of it for the year.
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I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
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I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
Well they do play a full game with legit rules and even worse, charge you like a normal game for tickets.
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I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
Oh it's not football, but if you follow a team glorified training camp is an alright thing.
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I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
Well they do play a full game with legit rules and even worse, charge you like a normal game for tickets.
It doesn't count for anything, so it's a practice. And when it comes to being charged, that's why it's glorified training camp.
Oh it's not football, but if you follow a team glorified training camp is an alright thing.
I paid attention to a couple Boston Celtics pre-seasons, including watching a bit, and it was a terrible experience. Lots of meaningless speculation and unreasonable expectations. I like the Eagles, but god forbid I see Jordan Matthews do some really exciting stuff and then flames out of the league. Being a sports fan is tumultuous enough as it is.
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The first week of preseason I watch as much as I can, because it's football.
The second week, I just catch the Panthers game.
The third week, I watch as much as I can, because that is the week of preseason that starters normally play the most. So it's almost real.
The fourth week, I just catch the Panthers game.
This, except for my beloved Ravens in my case.
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Bengals sign Andy Dalton to a six year 115 million dollar extension.
Unrelated, multiple members of their front office were arrested for crack cocaine possession.
That deal is laughable, and even worse than the one Flacco got last year. At least Flacco was coming off his lighting in a bottle playoff run; Dalton has sucked ass in every playoff game. He is the prime example of a guy who has done well mainly because of the talent around him. He's not a bum, but he's not that good either.
I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
I think most of us seeing preseason as "the real games are less than a month away!!!!" Woohoo. :tup :tup
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I can watch a the first quarter in the first few games. The 3rd game for 3 quarters and the 4th game, I'M OUT JERRY!
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I usually watch the first quarter and then it's not interesting because there is nothing on the line. Obviously wanna see how the starters and maybe some relevant backups are doing.
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I'm surprised you guys think of preseason as Football. To me it's glorified training camp.
Well they do play a full game with legit rules and even worse, charge you like a normal game for tickets.
It doesn't count for anything, so it's a practice. And when it comes to being charged, that's why it's glorified training camp.
Just because it doesnt count for anything doesnt mean it isnt a football game. Obviously the reality is that its a glorified training camp due to the fact that the teams are determining who to cut, but its still a legit football game. College bowl games dont count for anything, but they are still football games.
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Just because it doesnt count for anything doesnt mean it isnt a football game. Obviously the reality is that its a glorified training camp due to the fact that the teams are determining who to cut, but its still a legit football game. College bowl games dont count for anything, but they are still football games.
Bowl games at least have status and prestige attached to them.
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Reap, I don't understand the sheer hatred and contempt you appear to have for the pre-season games. They are just preparation for the regular season, glorified scrimmages. They are great tools for coaching staffs to evaluate how new talent will play and react against new competition. They are also useful for the refs to get into form, and they are early opportunities for fans to see the teams they love. The only negative I see is the ticket prices that are normally charged for them.
Why the hate?
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I don't hate preseason. It might be a bit too long. I worry about the risk of players getting injured during it. But I don't hate it.
I don't get though why anyone watches it who isn't a die hard sports junkie or a sportswriter of some kind. If the reason is "Because I just want to see Football that badly," then I guess that's fine. About 90% of what I do in my real life is logically indefensible. I can't fault anyone for doing what feels good.
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It might be a bit too long.
This. They could cut the preseason in half and I think that would be fine, at least cut one game for sure.
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So..... I'm going to a friend's house tonight to watch preseason.
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lol
I'm actually looking forward to the Panthers game tonight.
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First Rams preseason game tonight! 5 bullet points..
1. NO INJURIES PLEASE
2. Running back competition between Stacy/Cunningham/Mason
3. Michael Sam fighting for a roster spot. Biggest competition is Ethan Westbrooks. Looks like the 2 of them will be fighting for the final 9th DL spot.
4. WR competition.
5. Secondary concerns - Our Front 7 looks great, back end has the question marks.
GO RAMS!!
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For the Panthers tonight, I'm not expecting too many revelations, other than getting a look at the rebuilt WR corps and some DBs.
The defense is pretty stacked, as is the OL and RBs, and Cam will be the guy at QB (although he may not play at all tonight, and if so, only handing off).
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With preseason, you can't take anything to heart with the team's performance. I suspect that if you did a statistical study, preseason performance would have little to no correlation with regular season performance.
Hopefully, these two things will actually matter:
1. How hard is the team working? Are they obviously not going full tilt because it's the pre-season? Or are they already out there busting their ass?
2. What does the playbook look like? How much has it expanded from last year?
Even trying to keep my focus narrow on purpose, I suspect by week four of the regular season I'll be angry about shattered expectations.
Fuck preseason. Can I still call my friend and tell him I'm not going over?
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The players on the field after the first couple of series had damn well better be going full speed, because those are guys still looking for jobs.
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With preseason, you can't take anything to heart with the team's performance. I suspect that if you did a statistical study, preseason performance would have little to no correlation with regular season performance.
Hopefully, these two things will actually matter:
1. How hard is the team working? Are they obviously not going full tilt because it's the pre-season? Or are they already out there busting their ass?
2. What does the playbook look like? How much has it expanded from last year?
Even trying to keep my focus narrow on purpose, I suspect by week four of the regular season I'll be angry about shattered expectations.
Fuck preseason. Can I still call my friend and tell him I'm not going over?
ReaP, you never see the real playbook in preseason. It's as bland as bland can be.
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Exactly. Teams are not gonna tip their hand by running their best game plans in the preseason. It's very vanilla.
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The players on the field after the first couple of series had damn well better be going full speed, because those are guys still looking for jobs.
Indeed. But I want to see the starters putting in work too. Especially because of how Kelly runs his teams (ridiculously physical, hard practices). I need to see that paying off.
ReaP, you never see the real playbook in preseason. It's as bland as bland can be.
Exactly. Teams are not gonna tip their hand by running their best game plans in the preseason. It's very vanilla.
I think I'm going to be drinking a lot during this game.
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I watched 2 series for the Pats/Redskins game and went to my DVR. Boring as all hell. the 3rd game I'll watch most of it because it's a trial run for the starting group for at least a half to 3 quarters.
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For the Panthers tonight, I'm not expecting too many revelations, other than getting a look at the rebuilt WR corps and some DBs.
The defense is pretty stacked, as is the OL and RBs, and Cam will be the guy at QB (although he may not play at all tonight, and if so, only handing off).
Yeah, you guys really did a turnaround on your WR corp. Cam's good to go. I'm sure they're treating him like Kaep, Wilson, and RGIII are being treated ,drilling into him do NOT take off running :lol
Indeed. But I want to see the starters putting in work too. Especially because of how Kelly runs his teams (ridiculously physical, hard practices). I need to see that paying off.
I dunno... Mike Martz used to run those high tempo practices back in the Greatest show on Turf days. It's all good until a marquis player gets hurt. I want my starters played very sparingly, if at all in the first preseason game. The Rams do it a bit different than most teams. Most play their starters the most in game 3, the Rams do it in game 4. I like that approach, that way they're warmed up for the next week season opener.
I think I'm going to be drinking a lot during this game.
I concur 1000% ;D
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I watched 2 series for the Pats/Redskins game and went to my DVR. Boring as all hell. the 3rd game I'll watch most of it because it's a trial run for the starting group for at least a half to 3 quarters.
I watched the first half to see if James White demonstrated any brilliance (nope!). Mallet certainly didn't look good and I wasn't around to see New Guy. A lot of sloppiness, including a couple of penalties on Browner (not that the secondary situation concerns me in the slightest :lol). Easley is who I most wanted to see, but he didn't even make the trip.
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And that's why I can't watch it El Barto! :lol You never see who you really want. Was both lines that bad? I'll wait to the season starts and evaluate as the season progresses.
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They were both completely unremarkable. I saw one hold, and I saw the O-line make a grand canyon sized hole that one of the no-name RB's totally failed to exploit. That's the only time I ever thought about either line.
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Hey, I just realized something. If a team has a really good preseason, it is technically possible to rack up as many wins as Cleveland had in their entire 2013 regular season.
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If a team even steps on the field, they've already equaled the '60 Cowboys,'76 Bucs, '82 Colts, and '08 Lions.
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If a team even steps on the field, they've already equaled the '60 Cowboys,'76 Bucs, '82 Colts, and '08 Lions.
And the 08 Lions were 4-0 in the preseason I believe.
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Nice to see Tannehill throw a TD on the opening drive, 6 for 6, with 0 sacks.
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If a team even steps on the field, they've already equaled the '60 Cowboys,'76 Bucs, '82 Colts, and '08 Lions.
And the 08 Lions were 4-0 in the preseason I believe.
You just can't let me have anything, can you?
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Well, I saw what I wanted - rookie WR Kelvin Benjamin caught a TD pass.
But the OL definitely needs work - pass blocking was OK, but they didn't open up any running holes at all.
A pleasant surprise was QB Joe Webb, competing for a #3 QB position that the Panthers may not even keep. He showed great athleticism, good decision making, great arm strength and zip on the ball, and led the team on two long drives. That was a lot of fun to watch.
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Things I saw:
- Jordan Matthews didn't impress me. The Eagles should worry that he is a draft bust.
- Sanchez showed a little more poise than Foles. I think we might see Sanchez starting this year.
- McCoy didn't have any notable plays. Watch for his impending decline.
- The Eagles special teams made some big plays. Look for them to be the best unit in the league this year.
- The Eagles didn't pull off a successful two minute drill at the end. While the starters weren't playing, we should be concerned that a culture of losing is developing in the locker room.
Emperor Kelly might have no clothes. Are we sure he can make magic happen twice in a row?
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As an Eagles fan who follows them 24/7, here's my response to that:
I wouldn't put too much into Matthews' drops. It was his first NFL action in his life. Sammy Warkins had no cathes in his first game and nobody is calling him a bust. The drops were bad, but this kid has tremendous work ethic. He'll make the necessary adjustment. I wouldn't worry about it.
McCoy had one carry all game. They were taking it easy with him. To say he's declining because of that is a little ridiculous. It can also explain why the first team offense wasn't too sharp, because the Eagles offense revolves around McCoy and the zone read, which I didn't see them run at all last night.
The offense should be fine and I'm sure they will be one of the top 5 in the league this year. The defense worries me, but they looked a little improved and I like what I'm seeing from the younger guys.
How can a culture of losing be developing after a 10-6 season and one preseason game?
All in all, it was just one preseason game, and there's not a lot you can conclude based off it. Wait until regular season rolls around.
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Oh no......
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Things I saw:
- Jordan Matthews didn't impress me. The Eagles should worry that he is a draft bust.
- Sanchez showed a little more poise than Foles. I think we might see Sanchez starting this year.
- McCoy didn't have any notable plays. Watch for his impending decline.
- The Eagles special teams made some big plays. Look for them to be the best unit in the league this year.
- The Eagles didn't pull off a successful two minute drill at the end. While the starters weren't playing, we should be concerned that a culture of losing is developing in the locker room.
Emperor Kelly might have no clothes. Are we sure he can make magic happen twice in a row?
Not bad. I'll give you a 7/10 for the solid shtick. :tup :tup
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Things I saw:
- Jordan Matthews didn't impress me. The Eagles should worry that he is a draft bust.
- Sanchez showed a little more poise than Foles. I think we might see Sanchez starting this year.
- McCoy didn't have any notable plays. Watch for his impending decline.
- The Eagles special teams made some big plays. Look for them to be the best unit in the league this year.
- The Eagles didn't pull off a successful two minute drill at the end. While the starters weren't playing, we should be concerned that a culture of losing is developing in the locker room.
Emperor Kelly might have no clothes. Are we sure he can make magic happen twice in a row?
Do you understand preseason? TB's read seemed more in line with a real preseason game.
Your reads would be more valid after a Week 1 regular season game. Maybe.
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I think he was being sarcastic :rollin
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The thing is, ReaP is so serious about his sports it's hard to tell. :lol
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*shrugs*
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not drugs
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I know it's just preseason, but seeing the Broncos beat the Seahawks was nice… :D I'm going to see the Broncos take on the Chiefs at Mile High in September, can't wait :metal
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Orlando Scandrick suspended four games for using MDMA. Here's the obligatory, but apparently still necessary, article comparing it to the Ray Rice suspension. (https://grantland.com/the-triangle/math-is-hard-a-girls-guide-to-orlando-scandricks-suspension/) A lot of other comparisons are made to other suspensions showing how wrong this is.
It's an old story at this point, but I swear it's even less comprehensible now than it was when it happened.
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At least he admitted to using the drug recreationally. You dont hear that very often, but I'll never understand why people do molly.
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At least he admitted to using the drug recreationally. You dont hear that very often, but I'll never understand why people do molly.
Because it's fun.
That aside, what I don't get is why it's a PED. While it is partly an amphetamine, I'm not sure how that effects performance while vacationing in Mexico in the middle of April. If it doesn't happen during the season then it should probably be treated about the same as grass, which wouldn't have resulted in the suspension.
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At least he admitted to using the drug recreationally. You dont hear that very often, but I'll never understand why people do molly.
Because it's fun.
That aside, what I don't get is why it's a PED. While it is partly an amphetamine, I'm not sure how that effects performance while vacationing in Mexico in the middle of April. If it doesn't happen during the season then it should probably be treated about the same as grass, which wouldn't have resulted in the suspension.
I think someone commenter on a website stated, "it would make an interception dance better"
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Anyone else watching Hard Knocks? It's the Atlanta Falcons this year.
2 episodes in, I'm kind of bored.
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I havent watched, but being that its the same thing every year, the show can be very boring. There isnt anything juicy with the Falcons to make this years show stand out. No controversy surrounding that team or players who make you want to watch if you arent a falcons fan.
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Anyone else watching Hard Knocks? It's the Atlanta Falcons this year.
2 episodes in, I'm kind of bored.
Considering it's the Falcons, you've more than gotten your money's worth if you're only kind of boreed.
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Falcons are my second favorite team behind the Dolphins
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Falcons are my second favorite team behind the Dolphins
So you have bad taste.
BAZINGA!
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Nah, he has a boner for franchises originating in 1966. Shoulda waited one more year.
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Check out these playoff W/L records by these Hall of Fame (or future Hall of Fame) quarterbacks:
Terry Bradshaw 14-5
Kurt Warner 9-4
Troy Aikman 11-5
Brett Favre 13-11
Peyton Manning 11-12
Dan Marino 8-10
Yet if you had to rank those six on the all-time list, just about everyone would put the three at the bottom ahead of the three at the top. Weird.
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I look at that and think, better built team all around for the top 3.
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That's true in the case of Aikman and Bradshaw, who were both good quarterbacks on totally stacked dynasties, but I think Manning and Favre were on plenty of well-built teams, too (though none were as good as those Dallas or Pittsburgh teams). Hell, Favre's Packers team that won in '96 was a rare team that was number 1 in both total offense and total defense; that team was pretty awesome.
Of course, just like some were bummed about not getting Broncos/Vikings in '98, not getting Broncos/Packers in '96 was a bummer, too. The '96 Broncos made the "mistake" of being too good too quickly - clinched home field at 12-1, basically took the last three weeks off, and were then flat in the divisional round playoff loss to the Jags. :censored :censored :censored
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I kind of look at those teams the way the Pats have been for 7 years now, the strength is too one sided on the offensive side. You can have an awesome offense but if your D is average, you wont win the big games. If you have a great defense, but an average offensive you can still win those big games.
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Manning's 2012 Broncos did have a really good defense that year, but that defense didn't bother showing up against the Ravens, yet still probably would have won if not for Rahim F'ing Moore. :facepalm: >:( :censored
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Also, it's always interesting when a team is really good for a number of years, yet the lesser teams do better.
For example, the 2006 Colts were certainly not the best Colts team of the Manning era, yet it was the only one that won it.
The 2007 Patriots were undoubtedly the best one of the Belichich/Brady era, yet they didn't win it, while three other Patriots teams did.
The 2001 Rams were far better than the 1999 Rams, but the latter won the Super Bowl, while the former lost it.
Hell, even the 2012 Broncos were better than the 2013 Broncos, yet the '12 team lost in the divisional round, while the '13 team got to the Super Bowl.
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I remember that Colts D as very poor but the last few games before the playoffs and into the playoffs they played great which helps the Colts since the offense was average at best for that team.
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The Ravens kept that Colts team out of the endzone for the divisional round game. We lost a battle of field goals in what was one of the most painful losses in Ravens history.
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Boy I remember that games as well. Both D's were fantastic.
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So!
How bout dem Niners?
:angel:
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So, I started watching the new Teddy Bridgewater highlight video. They showed one of the Vikings players jogging onto the field. I was waiting for them to cut to Teddy Bridgewater and the announcers said "now here comes Bridgewater" and I was like wait, wait a second - Teddy Bridgewater's black!?!?!?
Instant Reggie Cleveland All-Stars inductee.
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You didn't know he was black?
BTW, the Panthers looked pretty good most of the time against the Chiefs last night.
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So, as we all know, the NFL is calling illegal contact far more frequently this pre-season. They've said they will continue to do this during the regular season. Obviously, this is to further encourage passing. But I think this runs slightly deeper.
I suspect the NFL hated how the Superbowl panned out. Instead of Manning winning a second title and becoming a legend, the Seahawks' defense locked him down. Richard Sherman, a very divisive player, become a winner and got that status that comes with it. Not only that, but the Seahawks' scheme isn't rocket science. It's a mix of zone and man coverage that's very easy to teach. If other defenses started copying what the Seahawks do (almost a certainty), offensive stats would drop across the board.
So my theory is that the increase in illegal defense calls isn't an arbitrary decision made to further increase the strength of offenses. It's a very specific reaction to what happened in last year's Superbowl.
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Other defenses don't have the personnel to do what the Seahawks did last year.
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Other defenses don't have the personnel to do what the Seahawks did last year.
Not to that degree, but it's still a great system. The Eagles ran something conceptually similar last year. Without changing personnel, They went from one of the worst defenses in the league to slightly above average because they started nailing the execution. The system makes the players better.
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It may not be rocket science, but what I *THINK* they have taught in Seahawk school is how to time your hit legally and properly....it's the same thing they play in hockey, and they've been doing it in football since god knows when. They've changed the rules on where you can hit a guy, and under what situations you can hit a guy...but they cannot stop hitting entirely or it wouldn't be football. So as long as hitting is allowed, there is always room for the "intimidation game"....if you can combine that with guys who can hit as well as play good coverage, you have a very strong defense.
No one is going to reinvent the wheel. You can say "it ain't rocket science" all you want. But the fact of the matter is that when you play the fundamentals really well, you're going to be successful. There's not a look in football that hasn't been seen, or a style of play that hasn't been tried. So it just comes down to how well you execute things that you already know how to do.
It's like a pitcher in baseball. They are all throwing curves, and sliders and fastballs and change ups. And if just throwing those pitches was all there was to it, then EVERYONE would be a great pitcher. It ain't rocket science, you just throw the ball over the plate in such a way that the batter can't hit it. Easy right? But that's why those who execute even the most basic things really well, will be successful.
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(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/863978211.gif?1408414634)
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I smell a fine coming.
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I'm starting to be confused by the mystique surrounding this guy. He seems like a fuckup who manages to keep succeeding for reasons that aren't totally possible to understand. Few types of people are more infuriating.
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Alright, obviously me being from down under, NFL isn't something we follow like the yanks. But a couple of guys I work with want to do a fantasy NFL draft. We did one with the Aussie NRL which was awesome fun, so we need something for the off season.
Now, I have no idea about any of the players, but if anyone who is clued up could run off a few names that they think are gonna perform well this year that would be smart to put in their team. I'm gonna learn more about the game but we are doing the draft this Saturday, so I'd like a bit of an idea on who to get and who not.
Thanks pigskin fans.
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https://www.nfl.com/top100/2014
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So my theory is that the increase in illegal defense calls isn't an arbitrary decision made to further increase the strength of offenses. It's a very specific reaction to what happened in last year's Superbowl.
I disagree.
I know people are bitching and moaning about all the flags, and "not letting the DBs play," but remember, there is no new rule. This is a re-emphasis on the existing rule. For years now, DBs have been all over WRs far past the "chuck" line near the line of scrimmage. This is more a course correction than anything.
IMO
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When Hef speaks, I agree.
I can't tell you how many times last year I thought that the receiver was WELL past the 5 yard boundary, and it was WAY more than incidental contact. Defenses have been getting away with tons of shit for years.
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Alright, obviously me being from down under, NFL isn't something we follow like the yanks. But a couple of guys I work with want to do a fantasy NFL draft. We did one with the Aussie NRL which was awesome fun, so we need something for the off season.
Now, I have no idea about any of the players, but if anyone who is clued up could run off a few names that they think are gonna perform well this year that would be smart to put in their team. I'm gonna learn more about the game but we are doing the draft this Saturday, so I'd like a bit of an idea on who to get and who not.
Thanks pigskin fans.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php
That gives you a good idea of about where players are going in drafts. It updates daily, and you can change the settings based on how many teams are in your league, PPR, etc.
As for who to get and who not to get, much of it depends on the scoring system.
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https://www.nfl.com/top100/2014
Alright, obviously me being from down under, NFL isn't something we follow like the yanks. But a couple of guys I work with want to do a fantasy NFL draft. We did one with the Aussie NRL which was awesome fun, so we need something for the off season.
Now, I have no idea about any of the players, but if anyone who is clued up could run off a few names that they think are gonna perform well this year that would be smart to put in their team. I'm gonna learn more about the game but we are doing the draft this Saturday, so I'd like a bit of an idea on who to get and who not.
Thanks pigskin fans.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php
That gives you a good idea of about where players are going in drafts. It updates daily, and you can change the settings based on how many teams are in your league, PPR, etc.
As for who to get and who not to get, much of it depends on the scoring system.
I love you guys.
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:coolio
Feel free to ask any more questions. I love talking fantasy football.
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QB:
Sammy Baugh
Bobby Layne
Sid Luckman
Curly Lambeau
RB:
Beattie Feathers
Ernie Nevers
Cliff Battles
Alan Ameche
WR:
Don Hutson
Elroy Hirsch
R.C. Owens
Charlie Joiner
Kicker:
Pete Gogolak
Lou Groza
George Blanda
Mark Moseley
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That's a fantasy alright. Man you're an 'old soul' when it comes to football.
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Sammy Baugh was badass.
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Dude was the Jim Thorpe of his day.
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Damn right.
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He was an Injun?
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He was an Injun?
I believe the politically correct term is "redskin." ;)
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Knock that off kemosabes.
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:coolio
Feel free to ask any more questions. I love talking fantasy football.
When doing a draft, is there certain positions that you should aim at filling first with good players before they get nabbed up?
Man, I got a lot to learn with this sport. :lol
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Punter
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:coolio
Feel free to ask any more questions. I love talking fantasy football.
When doing a draft, is there certain positions that you should aim at filling first with good players before they get nabbed up?
It depends. If your league gives 6 pts for passing touchdowns, getting a quarterback early is important. If it's 4, like most are, I like waiting till the 5th-8th round to get one, especially this year when the QB position is deep. I never take a QB in the first round.
In a normal 12-man league, loading up on RBs and WRs early on is the way to go. Once I get my top two or three WRs, I'll then wait till late to get most of the rest since there are always values to be had in the late rounds and guys always pop up early in the season that went undrafted that you can nab off the waiver wire.
Don't take a kicker till the last round or two.
My personal rankings of what the first 12 picks in PPR should be this year are:
1a/1b/1c. Charles, McCoy and Peterson (in what order you put them really depends on personal preference)
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Forte
6. Dez Bryant (he is gonna have a MONSTER season)
7. Jimmy Graham (far and away the number 1 TE, since Gronk's health is still in question)
8. Demaryius Thomas
9. Eddie Lacy
10. Brandon Marshall (is a PPR beast)
11. AJ Green
12. Marshawn Lynch
I also think DeMarco Murray is gonna have a big year, but he shouldn't go first round since that would be reaching. If you have a late first round pick, you could get one of those stud WRs and then get Murray (or Julio Jones) early in the second.
Of course, I do mostly auctions, not drafts. :lol :lol
I usually still do at least one draft though.
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You're a fucking legend, this is gold for someone who has no idea on the game. I heard that other guys in my league are going to try and load up on QB's first off, so I hope they are wrong. maybe I might look at just one. That list you just gave me is valuable for me to go off, thank you Kev.
So much to try and learn.
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It can seem overwhelming at first, but it's a lot of fun. Like I said, if the scoring is 6 pts per TD, getting a QB early is more important. The obvious top three are Rodgers, Peyton and Brees.
This thread is a good place to discuss, too: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41930.0
And annoys the non-FF fans less. :lol :lol
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Cool man, I'll ahve to follow that site too to try and get some hints.
https://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=2327734
This is the site that we are doing our league through.
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That's a popular one. I don't use it, but I know a lot of people do.
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Damn... Jeremy Maclin just went down with an apparent knee injury.
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Damn... Jeremy Maclin just went down with an apparent knee injury.
..and he's back in. Glad it wasn't serious.
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Damn... Jeremy Maclin just went down with an apparent knee injury.
..and he's back in. Glad it wasn't serious.
Yeah, watching him grab his knee like that was scary. Glad it's not serious. McCoy also had an x-Ray on his thumb but thankfully it was negative.
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I sure wish I could get into NFL as much as I can College. I just can't get excited over it unfortunately. I'm a Falcons fan, and I like keeping up with FSU alumni, but that's about it really.
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I sure wish I could get into NFL as much as I can College. I just can't get excited over it unfortunately. I'm a Falcons fan, and I like keeping up with FSU alumni, but that's about it really.
I'm the exact opposite haha. Could never get into college football. Of course it wouldve probably helped if Drexel had a football team but alas.
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I find it hard to respect college players considering most play a maximum of just four years (five [and in extremely rare cases, six] in the case of red shirts) whereas NFL players regularly play well beyond their tenth season.
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I find it hard to respect college players considering most play a maximum of just four years (five [and in extremely rare cases, six] in the case of red shirts) whereas NFL players regularly play well beyond their tenth season.
Well on the flip side of the coin, many play the best they can just for the chance to play in the NFL.
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I find it hard to respect college players considering most play a maximum of just four years (five [and in extremely rare cases, six] in the case of red shirts) whereas NFL players regularly play well beyond their tenth season.
I am not sure I understand why you find it hard to respect college players since they only play 4 years? That's the rules of the game, not by choice of the players. I am sure many of them would like to keep playing, but arent good enough to make it to the next level.
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Damn. Wes Welker has a concussion again. I love that guy. I hope the best for him. That's 3 in a little over a year. Not good.
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Damn. Wes Welker has a concussion again. I love that guy. I hope the best for him. That's 3 in a little over a year. Not good.
Yeah, that sucks. And the guy that hit him is building quite a reputation for himself. Good on Manning to having a word or two with him.
On an unrelated note, could we have a thread subject that's actually relevant to current events, or better year, just leave it without the v. stuff?
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You have to wonder how much Welker has left. He makes a living making those tough catches in traffic and taking hits, and he has to think about life after football. I wouldn't blame him if he retired tomorrow.
I know it's only preseason, but I do put some stock into how units plays and whatnot, and the Redskins first team offense looks awful so far. RG3 is suddenly turnover-prone (he was so great at not turning it over his rookie year), and we saw last week that he still clueless as to how to protect himself. I can't help but wonder now if he'll ever be as good as he was his rookie year again. If he can't do it this year, with all of the talent they have on offense, concern in DC will be, and should be, sky high.
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So fucking pissed off at the shitty NFL network right now. They were supposed to broadcast the Rams/Browns game at 9pm last night PDT. We got the Ravens game instead. They were supposed to re-broadcast at 10am this morn PDT, and we get the Colts game...sigh. Even their fucking guide says the Rams are on right now, as does the directv guide. Asshats.
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"Let's stop beating around the bush," Theismann said during the broadcast, according to The Washington Post. "Kirk Cousins has played much better at the quarterback position than Robert Griffin III has. Now, Robert is learning to work out of a pocket. He doesn't look as smooth or as comfortable throwing the football. I mean, your eyes will tell you everything you need to know.
"It's going to be a decision that Jay Gruden is going to have to make. Right now, Robert Griffin III is his quarterback. Now, if there was a quarterback competition, it wouldn't be a competition. Kirk Cousins would be the man I believe he would have to go to, because of the efficiency with which he has run [the offense]. Now Kirk, like I said, is basically a dropback quarterback. I see Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, I see Kirk Cousins that way."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11401233/joe-theismann-says-kirk-cousins-better-qb-robert-griffin-iii
I've been saying it all along. Nice to see it gaining traction.
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Shame it's gotta be Theismann though.
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Is the Pick'em league happening this year?
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Damn. Wes Welker has a concussion again. I love that guy. I hope the best for him. That's 3 in a little over a year. Not good.
Ye gads. If he's becoming that prone to concussions he's not long for this league.
While I don't want to see the guy hurt or run out of the league, he's a damn good player, I've got no real fondness for the guy. His departure from the Patriots was pretty silly, honestly. Dude needs to grow some God damned loyalty.
Also, I'm not sure how you're going to prohibit any hit to the head when you've got a guy like Welker who's effectively a midget by NFL terms. Swearinger had no possible means of hitting Welker without hitting the head. Are you just supposed to let him catch the ball and bolt at that point? So why doesn't everybody just start signing 5'6" receivers and moving the ball one penalty at a time?
Is the Pick'em league happening this year?
Yeah. Sorry, hadn't gotten to it yet. Will take care of it today or tomorrow.
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"Let's stop beating around the bush," Theismann said during the broadcast, according to The Washington Post. "Kirk Cousins has played much better at the quarterback position than Robert Griffin III has. Now, Robert is learning to work out of a pocket. He doesn't look as smooth or as comfortable throwing the football. I mean, your eyes will tell you everything you need to know.
"It's going to be a decision that Jay Gruden is going to have to make. Right now, Robert Griffin III is his quarterback. Now, if there was a quarterback competition, it wouldn't be a competition. Kirk Cousins would be the man I believe he would have to go to, because of the efficiency with which he has run [the offense]. Now Kirk, like I said, is basically a dropback quarterback. I see Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, I see Kirk Cousins that way."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11401233/joe-theismann-says-kirk-cousins-better-qb-robert-griffin-iii
I've been saying it all along. Nice to see it gaining traction.
Lol, let's be serious. You've been saying that since they were rookies, and so far, Cousins has never looked nearly as good as RG3 did as a rookie, but because Joe Theismann of all people now thinks Cousins might be better than an RG3 who appears to not be nearly the player he was prior to his injury, it's gaining traction? Haha, that's a good one.
When Theismann says, "Kirk Cousins has played much better at the quarterback position than Robert Griffin III has," that is factually incorrect, and the numbers show this quite clearly:
Cousins: 1-3 as a starter, with 8 TDs and 10 INTs, a career YPA of 6.5, and a completion percentage of 56.2%.
RG3: 12-16 as a starter, with 36 TDs and 17 INTs, a career YPA of 7.5, and a completion percentage of 62.7%.
Oh, and when Cousins started three games at the end of last year, he threw 4 TDs and 5 INTs, despite one of those games being against the pitiful Dallas defense (a D he couldn't even throw for 200 yards against), and the Redskins lost all three games to Dallas, the 4-12 Falcons and Giants.
To me, that was Cousins' chance to show what he could do in real games....and he flopped. Granted, he was on a team with a coach who knew he was a goner, but he still didn't play well.
In other words, let me know when Cousins does it in real games on a consistent basis. :corn
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"Let's stop beating around the bush," Theismann said during the broadcast, according to The Washington Post. "Kirk Cousins has played much better at the quarterback position than Robert Griffin III has. Now, Robert is learning to work out of a pocket. He doesn't look as smooth or as comfortable throwing the football. I mean, your eyes will tell you everything you need to know.
"It's going to be a decision that Jay Gruden is going to have to make. Right now, Robert Griffin III is his quarterback. Now, if there was a quarterback competition, it wouldn't be a competition. Kirk Cousins would be the man I believe he would have to go to, because of the efficiency with which he has run [the offense]. Now Kirk, like I said, is basically a dropback quarterback. I see Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, I see Kirk Cousins that way."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11401233/joe-theismann-says-kirk-cousins-better-qb-robert-griffin-iii
I've been saying it all along. Nice to see it gaining traction.
Lol, let's be serious. You've been saying that since they were rookies, and so far, Cousins has never looked nearly as good as RG3 did as a rookie, but because Joe Theismann of all people now thinks Cousins might be better than an RG3 who appears to not be nearly the player he was prior to his injury, it's gaining traction? Haha, that's a good one.
Oh, and when Cousins started three games at the end of last year, he threw 4 TDs and 5 INTs, despite one of those games being against the pitiful Dallas defense (a D he couldn't even throw for 200 yards against), and the Redskins lost all three games to Dallas, the 4-12 Falcons and Giants.
In other words, let me know when Cousins does it in real games on a consistent basis. :corn
I have acknowledged the possibility that Cousins might be the better QB, having watched them both in college and by taking all things in consideration. Joe Theismann, despite his reputation, works the local broadcasts for Washington, so he's seeing them on a regular basis.
I don't think how Washington finished the 2013 season is an indictment on Cousins ability, stats be damned (as they nearly always should be because they hardly ever tell the full story). Who knows if Griffin would have performed any better if he would have played those final few games.
As for Cousins doing it in real games on a consistent basis, he has not been afforded that opportunity. Maybe he'll prosper once he's on a new team, or once Griffin's gone.
Finally, there's no way to prove Theisman wrong. If there was a legit open competition, perhaps Cousins would win the job. Perhaps his ability to facilitate to the weapons around him would prove more valuable than Griffin's athletic abilities and "potential". Oh well.
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Sorry, but I go by what I see in real NFL games, not practice or college (which is irrelevant, since how you play in college, more often than not, doesn't matter once you get to the pros). And I have not been impressed by what I've seen out of Cousins in his limited NFL action.
Like I said, RG3 appears to not be the QB he was prior to his injury sustained in the playoff loss to the Seahawks, but time will tell. Like I said earlier, with the talent in Washington this year, he needs to bounce back big time this year to show that he can still be the QB he was in 2012.
On another note, can we please wait to Andrew Luck is actually elite before we call him elite? Some are already calling him the 5th best QB in the NFL behind the Big 4, and that is just crazy talk, if you ask me. I think he'll get there soon, but let's not jump the gun, eh?
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stats be damned (as they nearly always should be because they hardly ever tell the full story)
Big lol on this one. There are more stats for QBs than any other position so it's very easy to draw conclusions about their performances based on stats with consistent accuracy. Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, and Matt Stafford sneak into the top 5 of some categories here and there but, in general, the top QBs regularly are the ones with the best overall showings in stat categories.
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Sorry, but I go by what I see in real NFL games, not practice or college (which is irrelevant, since how you play in college, more often than not, doesn't matter once you get to the pros). And I have not been impressed by what I've seen out of Cousins in his limited NFL action.
Like I said, RG3 appears to not be the QB he was prior to his injury sustained in the playoff loss to the Seahawks, but time will tell. Like I said earlier, with the talent in Washington this year, he needs to bounce back big time this year to show that he can still be the QB he was in 2012.
On another note, can we please wait to Andrew Luck is actually elite before we call him elite? Some are already calling him the 5th best QB in the NFL behind the Big 4, and that is just crazy talk, if you ask me. I think he'll get there soon, but let's not jump the gun, eh?
That's fine that you go with what you see in real NFL games. Theisman is analyzing a situation that he is being paid to analyze, so I'll take his insight and analysis over yours any day of the week.
And I'll go ahead and say it, Griffin is the same QB that he was in 2012, 2013 and now in 2014 mentally speaking. He hasn't appeared to learn from his injuries, nor has his laughable leadership improved. Hopefully, the new coaching staff can get through to him, because he could be one of the greats, I just don't think he will be. And I think Cousins may be better. I am not alone in my opinion, and neither are you, so we can certainly agree to disagree.
stats be damned (as they nearly always should be because they hardly ever tell the full story)
Big lol on this one. There are more stats for QBs than any other position so it's very easy to draw conclusions about their performances based on stats with consistent accuracy. Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, and Matt Stafford sneak into the top 5 of some categories here and there but, in general, the top QBs regularly are the ones with the best overall showings in stat categories.
Okay.... you've apparently missed the point, which makes your "Big lol" more like a shoulder shrug. Cousins had bad stats during those last three games, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. There are far too many variables in football to rely on stats alone, unless in special circumstances, like trying to determine who the top QBs in the league are, which you brought up for some reason.
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Well Sam Bradford's out for the year with a torn ACL.
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Tough luck for him and the Rams. However, Shaun Hill looked about as good as he did last year (although 2 of 6 doesn't look good on paper); that 3rd down throw to Kenny Britt was great.
That's fine that you go with what you see in real NFL games. Theisman is analyzing a situation that he is being paid to analyze, so I'll take his insight and analysis over yours any day of the week.
That's like saying, "The president is paid to be the president, so I'll take his decisions over yours any day of the week."
The last time I checked, Theismann's analysis is not infallible, and there is probably a reason he isn't on one of the major network games of the week any more. He sucks.
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Yeah, Theezman really is an amateurish putz and I'd sincerely put his level of "expertise" on par with that of the average bar patron. He's biased and makes kneejerk statements based far more on emotion than legitimate analysis. There's a reason he managed to work his way out of the major broadcasting circuit in spite of having the name recognition he has.
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Tough luck for him and the Rams. However, Shaun Hill looked about as good as he did last year (although 2 of 6 doesn't look good on paper); that 3rd down throw to Kenny Britt was great.
That's fine that you go with what you see in real NFL games. Theisman is analyzing a situation that he is being paid to analyze, so I'll take his insight and analysis over yours any day of the week.
That's like saying, "The president is paid to be the president, so I'll take his decisions over yours any day of the week."
The last time I checked, Theismann's analysis is not infallible, and there is probably a reason he isn't on one of the major network games of the week any more. He sucks.
I don't think your example works, as the President and you make decisions on totally different things.
I will concede that I didn't enjoy Theisman when he was at ESPN, but I'll definitely consider his insight on something that he is directly covering.
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Broncos kicker Matt Prater has been suspended for the first four games for violating the substance abuse policy.
In before it gets compared to Rice getting 2.
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Give the record back to Tom Dempsey.
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Whelp....so much for our season.....fuuuuuuuuuck. I feel sick to my stomach right now. Shame on the Rams for passing on a solid backup in the drafft. Could have had Bridgewater.
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Guess that's just water under the bridge now.
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wow...
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Rams apparently want Mark Sanchez. I don't think the eagles want to trade him though.
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Him or Cousins would be our best trade options. I'd prefer Cousins by far. Just NO VICK!!
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Him or Cousins would be our best trade options. I'd prefer Cousins by far. Just NO VICK!!
Wait... you're prefer Cousins to a guy that has played in two conference championship games?
Guess stats aren't everything :angel:
Seriously.... it sucks about Bradford going down again. It seems like everything is working to Seattle's advantage. I actually had Arizona taking the division until the injury bug ravaged their defense.
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I feel like with RGIII's struggles and inability to protect himself, the skins will probably want to hold on to Cousins. I feel bad for the Rams though. They've been one of my favorite teams since I was a kid.
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I feel like with RGIII's struggles and inability to protect himself, the skins will probably want to hold on to Cousins. I feel bad for the Rams though. They've been one of my favorite teams since I was a kid.
I feel bad for the Rams as well. They should have just sucked for Luck. They were so agonizingly close, but with a young "franchise QB", they weren't even thinking about drafting a QB, which is why they pillaged Washington so they could draft Griffin.
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Rams apparently want Mark Sanchez. I don't think the eagles want to trade him though.
If the Eagles can get value for him, I'm not sure why they wouldn't do it. It's not like if Foles busts Sanchez is gonna step in and be our QB or the future.
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Just watching the presser... Ian Rappaport's comment makes a lot of sense... why would the Rams trade something of high value, when they could have got Sanchez in the offseason, and chose Hill over him?
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Rams apparently want Mark Sanchez. I don't think the eagles want to trade him though.
If the Eagles can get value for him, I'm not sure why they wouldn't do it. It's not like if Foles busts Sanchez is gonna step in and be our QB or the future.
Yeah, but I don't trust Barkley to win any game if Foles is injured for any time. If the Rams offer a 2nd/3rd, maybe they make the trade, but I don't think the Rams will offer a whole lot for essentially a one year rental of a qb.
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Sanchez was apparently quite clear that he doesn't want to go to St. Louis. Learning a new O and new players doesn't appeal to him at this point in his career.
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Damn. Wes Welker has a concussion again. I love that guy. I hope the best for him. That's 3 in a little over a year. Not good.
Ye gads. If he's becoming that prone to concussions he's not long for this league.
While I don't want to see the guy hurt or run out of the league, he's a damn good player, I've got no real fondness for the guy. His departure from the Patriots was pretty silly, honestly. Dude needs to grow some God damned loyalty.
Also, I'm not sure how you're going to prohibit any hit to the head when you've got a guy like Welker who's effectively a midget by NFL terms. Swearinger had no possible means of hitting Welker without hitting the head. Are you just supposed to let him catch the ball and bolt at that point? So why doesn't everybody just start signing 5'6" receivers and moving the ball one penalty at a time?
That whole thing was weird. It was obvious us fans wanted to pay him through the roof but the Pats were really close to the market value. He was lucky to have Peyton there. I think in the end, it was like a relationship that should have stayed together but it got bitter on both sides in the end and when a new lover comes a courting, you fall in love with the new lover.
I miss him but damn if Edelman hasn't picked up where he left off.
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Sanchez was apparently quite clear that he doesn't want to go to St. Louis. Learning a new O and new players doesn't appeal to him at this point in his career.
It's not a new Offense, he knows Shotty's offense quite well.
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That whole thing was weird. It was obvious us fans wanted to pay him through the roof but the Pats were really close to the market value. He was lucky to have Peyton there. I think in the end, it was like a relationship that should have stayed together but it got bitter on both sides in the end and when a new lover comes a courting, you fall in love with the new lover.
I miss him but damn if Edelman hasn't picked up where he left off.
Not crazy about Welker, but a bigtime Edelman fan. Ever since the end of the 2011 AFC championship against the Ravens when he had a clutch catch and a very important defensive play covering Boldin. All around football player, like Belichick likes to dig up.
Sanchez was apparently quite clear that he doesn't want to go to St. Louis. Learning a new O and new players doesn't appeal to him at this point in his career.
It's not a new Offense, he knows Shotty's offense quite well.
True, and certainly why they're courting him. Still, he's up to speed with the Eagles O and would be required to get back up to speed in STL with two weeks notice; new receivers to boot. Like I said, not the situation he thinks is best for his career right now.
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Like Rappaport stated, I just don't see it. The Rams better not sell the farm for a guy they valued less than the guy they have in place now (Hill) in the preseason.
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Shame about Bradford. Is he made of paper or something?
Cam Newton has a fractured rib, but is expected to be ready to go Week 1. Even if he isn't, I have a lot of confidence in Derek Anderson.
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You might be the only one who does... :lol :biggrin:
Also, no way will Sanchez go to the Rams. I doubt he wants to - I am sure he is just dying to play in that nitwit Brian Schottenheimer's offense again :lol - and the Rams would be foolish to give up anything for a QB who isn't that good. Suck it up, go with Shaun Hill, and see what happens. Hill isn't that much of a drop-off from Bradford anyway.
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Interesting.
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I would have never guessed that.
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The league changed a great deal between 1998 and 2011. I'm honestly not sure if it helps or hurts Dalton but it's definitely a shaky comparison.
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Well, yeah it's a passing league with all the defensive rules but at first glance it's a shocking. But we all know Dalton's resume.
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Dan Marino had 37,468 passing yards with 165 TDs in his first 3 seasons. Many people don't remember this.
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Dan Marino had 37,468 passing yards with 165 TDs in his first 3 seasons. Many people don't remember this.
I do. I watched him tear up the Pats. Super Duper and Clayton (sp?) killed us.
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Dan Marino had 37,468 passing yards with 165 TDs in his first 3 seasons. Many people don't remember this.
I do. I watched him tear up the Pats. Super Duper and Clayton (sp?) killed us.
The Pats, and half the farmers in Colombia, as I recall.
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:lol
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Holy shit!
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/report-patriots-agree-to-trade-logan-mankins-to-tampa-bay-for-tim-wright/
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WTF??? Either the guy's pending a grand jury indictment, just got diagnosed with hemorrhagic fever, or the cap situation in NE is surprisingly bad.
edit: perhaps he knew he could sign Incognito at a bargain basement price.
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I guess it's been hush, hush that they were asking him to renegotiate for a lesser cap hit. He told them no since he was forced to play out his rookie contract vastly underpaid and so they wanted to get value for him instead of cutting him.
They just had a new offensive line couch since Dante Scarnecchia retired. He's been an assistant for 30 years with so many different coaches and was the O-Line coach for the last 13 years. So it's weird to let such an All Pro that adds stablity when it's needed.
I don't know what to think.
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Interesting.
Averages are fun. Peyton's first year knocks down much of those to match Dalton's line. Take years 2 and 3 separately and the Peyton comparison starts to separate by a bit.
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This is why it is hard to hate on Manning: https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11423950/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-fined-taunting (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11423950/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-fined-taunting)
The short: He gets his first taunting penalty of his career taunting Swearinger after a TD pass. Earlier in the game, Swearinger hit Welker in the head and concussed him. Payton's response: "I accept the fine. It's money well spent. Fifteen yards with five seconds left in the half doesn't hurt you that much. I think if you're going to get one that's a good time to get one."
:clap:
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:tup
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Nah, what makes him cool is that he got mad about a hit and immediately through at TD because of it. The actions were better than the words. My problem is with him getting pissed off about the hit in the first place. WW is short and when he folds up before getting hit he puts his head down so low it's unavoidable. Looked to me like DJS tried to pull up a bit but really couldn't have missed his head. Not sure how you're supposed to play a WR in that case other than to fall down and hope some other teammate is in a position to make a play.
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I agree that the hit on Welker was unavoidable, for the reasons you detailed, Barto, but you still gotta love Peyton having his teammate's back like that. That is what team leaders are supposed to do. :tup :tup
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Goodell Apologizes for Ray Rice decision (https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000384861/article/roger-goodell-apologizes-for-decision-in-ray-rice-case)
Also announces new personal conduct policy - First incident of domestic violence results in a six game suspension without pay, the second gets you banned for at least a year.
On one hand, the NFL completely deserves credit for responding to this the right way. Admit you fucked up. apologize, and make changes so it doesn't happen again.
On the other, I'm curious what will happen when another domestic abuse case comes up (and it will). The policy allows for the first suspension to be reduced because of "mitigating circumstances." "Mitigating circumstances" is why Ray Rice only got two games. Will the league come up with excuses to not give out full six game suspensions?
While the NFL should have never gave Rice a two game suspension in the first place, at least they're handling it. The same can't be said about a lot of the league's problems.
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That's a best approach to discipline regarding Domestic Violence, but it's really pathetic that Rice only received two games in the first place.
Also, the NFL shouldn't have punished Peyton. You know why? That kind of "jawing" happens after every single play.
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I would be more supportive of the decision of the 2 game suspension if the NFL actually said what happened in that elevator. Regardless, its good that the suspension for domestic abuse will be more than a failed drug test. One wrong is clearly worse than another.
Anyway, cool to the the Giants go 5-0 in the preseason, but sadly I think they are terrible this year. They got all those preseason wins on the back of the second team.
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Just let the backups play all the regular season games. What could possibly go wrong?
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Just let the backups play all the regular season games. What could possibly go wrong?
:lol not much more wrong than what the first teamers are doing. There has been some talk on the local sports radio here in the NYC area that Eli could be replaced by Nassib at some point during the season if he keeps struggling because Nassib has looked really good and was a good draft prospect. I find it hard to believe that Eli cant handle this new offense, but from the looks of it, it seems to be the case.
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The Panthers finished off the Steelers last night in a game where not too many starters played a ton of significant time. But it was still entertaining, somewhat.
Ready for the regular season.
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Patriot's game was damned anticlimactic. Tim Wright was actually a contributor which was reassuring. No Dom Easly, though, which is what I've been waiting to see.
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Patriot's game was damned anticlimactic. Tim Wright was actually a contributor which was reassuring. No Dom Easly, though, which is what I've been waiting to see.
Even more anti-climatic is going for it on 4th down in your own territory so the game will end and not go into OT.
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Patriot's game was damned anticlimactic. Tim Wright was actually a contributor which was reassuring. No Dom Easly, though, which is what I've been waiting to see.
Even more anti-climatic is going for it on 4th down in your own territory so the game will end and not go into OT.
I didn't know that happened since I didn't watch the second half, but that's brilliant. Giant's player said they'd have done the same thing. Conversely, Dallas would have fought tooth and nail for a meaningless victory. That's why I'm a Patriots fan.
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Patriot's game was damned anticlimactic. Tim Wright was actually a contributor which was reassuring. No Dom Easly, though, which is what I've been waiting to see.
Even more anti-climatic is going for it on 4th down in your own territory so the game will end and not go into OT.
I didn't know that happened since I didn't watch the second half, but that's brilliant. Giant's player said they'd have done the same thing. Conversely, Dallas would have fought tooth and nail for a meaningless victory. That's why I'm a Patriots fan.
Yea I didnt watch the end, just read the recap and yea glad both teams would have done that to just put an end to the preseason. Its a smart move, no point trying to win and risk injuries. Lets move on to the real games!
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Patriot's game was damned anticlimactic. Tim Wright was actually a contributor which was reassuring. No Dom Easly, though, which is what I've been waiting to see.
Even more anti-climatic is going for it on 4th down in your own territory so the game will end and not go into OT.
I didn't know that happened since I didn't watch the second half, but that's brilliant. Giant's player said they'd have done the same thing. Conversely, Dallas would have fought tooth and nail for a meaningless victory. That's why I'm a Patriots fan.
Yea I didnt watch the end, just read the recap and yea glad both teams would have done that to just put an end to the preseason. Its a smart move, no point trying to win and risk injuries. Lets move on to the real games!
Dallas Cowboys
On September 1, 2011, while playing a preseason game against the Miami Dolphins, Radway suffered a broken left fibula and tibia after leaping for a catch during the last 3 seconds of the game. He was then placed on injured reserve.[4][5][6]
It was the closing seconds of the last preseason game of the season. Kid was an undrafted FA fighting for a slot in a very crowded receiving corps. Kid excelled in training camp and that entire preseason, then completely owned that entire game, likely earning his roster spot. The catch that killed him was a recreation of The Catch which would have won the game. Turned from Clark to Theismann in the span of a half second.
For some reason that game had a highschool football kind of atmosphere and both teams really wanted to win. You could tell last night that NE and NY just waned to get it done with.
edit: Oh, and Radway plays for Gene Simmons now. Not sure if that's better or worse than working for Jerry.
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I had complained earlier about the first two weeks of HBO's Hard Knocks being kind of boring. This week's episode was not boring. It was awesome, lots of coaches chewing out players for their stupidity, and then cuts at the end. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I am soooo ready for football to begin. Love this time of year. :coolio :hat
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I am going on record as predicting we will not see a Browns vs. Cowboys super bowl this year.
There. I said it.
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*shocked face*
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I am soooo ready for football to begin. Love this time of year. :coolio :hat
Amen.
I am going on record as predicting we will not see a Browns vs. Cowboys super bowl this year.
There. I said it.
You just ruined the year for me.
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I am going on record as predicting we will not see a Browns vs. Cowboys super bowl this year.
There. I said it.
I'll go on record saying we won't see either in a playoff game.
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Cowboys might well beat Phili for the division. Dallas will come with some offense this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if Phili fell back to Earth a little.
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My predictions.
Before the preseason started, I had Indy beating Arizona in the Super Bowl, but due to Indy's O-Line, and Arizona's injuries, I'm not now going in another direction.
AFC East
1. New England
2. Miami
3. New York
4. Buffalo
AFC North
1. Cincinnati
2. Baltimore
3. Pittsburgh
4. Cleveland
AFC South
1. Indianapolis
2. Houston
3. Jacksonville
4. Tennessee
AFC West
1. Denver
2. Kansas City
3. San Diego
4. Oakland
NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
NFC North
1. Green Bay
2. Chicago
3. Minnesota
4. Detroit
NFC South
1. New Orleans
2. Atlanta
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay
NFC West
1. Seattle
2. Arizona
3. San Francisco
4. St. Louis
Super Bowl
New Orleans defeats Cincinnati
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I'm going with Seattle to repeat, by winning over New England in the Super Bowl.
I think NE will win the AFC over my Broncos because a:
-they have a much easier schedule.
-the Patriots/Broncos games is in New England AGAIN (funny how Denver has had to play AT New England all three years Peyton has been in Denver), and the home team always seems to win lately when Brady and Peyton play.
-The AFC title game, as a result, will be in New England.
Seattle will repeat because they still have the best all-around team, their offense will be even better this year with a healthy Percy Harvin, and I think Peter Carroll is a good enough coach to keep them motivated and fresh.
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I'm going with Seattle to repeat, by winning over New England in the Super Bowl.
I think NE will win the AFC over my Broncos because a:
-they have a much easier schedule.
-the Patriots/Broncos games is in New England AGAIN (funny how Denver has had to play AT New England all three years Peyton has been in Denver), and the home team always seems to win lately when Brady and Peyton play.
-The AFC title game, as a result, will be in New England.
Seattle will repeat because they still have the best all-around team, their offense will be even better this year with a healthy Percy Harvin, and I think Peter Carroll is a good enough coach to keep them motivated and fresh.
I've got NE winning the AFC, as well. I think they're improved on both sides of the ball this year. As for whether or not they beat Seattle (who's a shoe-in for the NFC, methinks), who knows? I think a strong NE team has a better chance than most, but those guys really are really good.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11432192/aldon-smith-san-francisco-49ers-suspended-nine-games
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
Obviously...... instead he chose to be a criminal.
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
I lol'd. Hard.
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
I lol'd. Hard.
Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
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I'm going with Seattle to repeat, by winning over New England in the Super Bowl.
I think NE will win the AFC over my Broncos because a:
-they have a much easier schedule.
-the Patriots/Broncos games is in New England AGAIN (funny how Denver has had to play AT New England all three years Peyton has been in Denver), and the home team always seems to win lately when Brady and Peyton play.
-The AFC title game, as a result, will be in New England.
Seattle will repeat because they still have the best all-around team, their offense will be even better this year with a healthy Percy Harvin, and I think Peter Carroll is a good enough coach to keep them motivated and fresh.
I can only assume they are here again in N.E because they had a better record and Denver, because they were #1 have the hardest schedule.
I think Seattle/N.E but damn how can you not think Seattle will not win again?!
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NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
What? Dallas ahead of NY? I know the Giants look terrible but they are significantly more talented of a team than the Cowboys.
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NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
What? Dallas ahead of NY? I know the Giants look terrible but they are significantly more talented of a team than the Cowboys.
Significantly?
Honestly, I could have went either way. They're both gonna have a tough time this year.
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NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
What? Dallas ahead of NY? I know the Giants look terrible but they are significantly more talented of a team than the Cowboys.
Significantly?
Honestly, I could have went either way. They're both gonna have a tough time this year.
I think so. Obviously the Giants have major problems with learning the new offense, but I see very little talent on Dallas besides Bryant and Romo if he is healthy. I agree both will have a tough year, but I see the Cowboys at around 4-5 wins with the Giants at around 6-7. Giants have more upside potential if things click because I believe there is a larger talent gap between those two. Just my two cents and I am a Giants fan so I am biased. :biggrin:
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NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
What? Dallas ahead of NY? I know the Giants look terrible but they are significantly more talented of a team than the Cowboys.
Significantly?
Honestly, I could have went either way. They're both gonna have a tough time this year.
I think so. Obviously the Giants have major problems with learning the new offense, but I see very little talent on Dallas besides Bryant and Romo if he is healthy. I agree both will have a tough year, but I see the Cowboys at around 4-5 wins with the Giants at around 6-7. Giants have more upside potential if things click because I believe there is a larger talent gap between those two. Just my two cents and I am a Giants fan so I am biased. :biggrin:
Hey, I'm hope you're right. In fact, I'll be thrilled if New York finishes above Washington as well.
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NFC East
1. Philadelphia
2. Washington
3. Dallas
4. New York
What? Dallas ahead of NY? I know the Giants look terrible but they are significantly more talented of a team than the Cowboys.
Significantly?
Honestly, I could have went either way. They're both gonna have a tough time this year.
I think so. Obviously the Giants have major problems with learning the new offense, but I see very little talent on Dallas besides Bryant and Romo if he is healthy. I agree both will have a tough year, but I see the Cowboys at around 4-5 wins with the Giants at around 6-7. Giants have more upside potential if things click because I believe there is a larger talent gap between those two. Just my two cents and I am a Giants fan so I am biased. :biggrin:
Hey, I'm hope you're right. In fact, I'll be thrilled if New York finishes above Washington as well.
Well I wont go that far. Washington should be better than last year, but Id be happy with that as well.
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Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Are you suggesting that it's inappropriate to do so?
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Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Are you suggesting that it's inappropriate to do so?
I was showing disbelief that another post suspension Ray Rice joke would be funny.
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Listen, Rice was wrong, that culture of abuse is wrong, the NFL was wrong but at least now it's corrected and people will be held accountable.
That's what matters.
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Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Are you suggesting that it's inappropriate to do so?
I was showing disbelief that another post suspension Ray Rice joke would be funny.
Now you're showing your homer-ism. It's likely that you've heard them a thousand more times than I being in Balt, but it was funny - Raven player or not.
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Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Are you suggesting that it's inappropriate to do so?
I was showing disbelief that another post suspension Ray Rice joke would be funny.
Now you're showing your homer-ism. It's likely that you've heard them a thousand more times than I being in Balt, but it was funny - Raven player or not.
Yeah, it's like hearing a Ray Lewis murder joke. Oh man, we've never heard this before :omg:
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Yeah, it's like hearing a Ray Lewis murder joke. Oh man, we've never heard this before :omg:
Ray Lewis very possibly murdered someone and isn't in jail. What else do you expect?
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Yeah, it's like hearing a Ray Lewis murder joke. Oh man, we've never heard this before :omg:
Ray Lewis very possibly murdered someone and isn't in jail. What else do you expect?
When it comes to "jokes", I hope for originality and/or creativity.
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Ray Rice got off with a slap on the wrist, hence it still being brought up. In fact, the public outrage over that slap on the wrist is likely the reason for this new domestic violence initiative by the NFL, so in essence, it's the Ray Rice Rule. In some ways, that's worst than had Goodell given him a longer, and more accepted by the public as a whole, suspension.
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Ray Rice got off with a slap on the wrist, hence it still being brought up. In fact, the public outrage over that slap on the wrist is likely the reason for this new domestic violence initiative by the NFL, so in essence, it's the Ray Rice Rule. In some ways, that's worst than had Goodell given him a longer, and more accepted by the public as a whole, suspension.
Agreed. Rice will forever be associated with this rule. He has now become the face of domestic violence in professional sports. Even if he was intoxicated, or lost his temper for a moment, or even if she was hitting him over and over he will be vilified as if he was beating her for years. It's a damn shame that footage of inside the elevator won't see the light of day.
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Even if he was intoxicated, or lost his temper for a moment, or even if she was hitting him over and over he will be vilified as if he was beating her for years.
None of these things are reasons to beat a woman unconscious.
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Even if he was intoxicated, or lost his temper for a moment, or even if she was hitting him over and over he will be vilified as if he was beating her for years.
None of these things are reasons to beat a woman unconscious.
They do not justify beating a woman anyone unconscious, but any one of them may have been the cause. Seems we'll never know, which is unfortunate.
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
I lol'd. Hard.
Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Welcome to my world in 2012 during the bounty bullshit. At least you still have your coach.
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Obviously, he should have just beat his girlfriend instead.
I lol'd. Hard.
Really? Still? I mean, I don't condone what Ray Rice might have done, but we have heard this after every single suspension following Rice's.
Welcome to my world in 2012 during the bounty bullshit. At least you still have your coach.
Don't forget Belicheat.
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Michael Sam is cut from the 53 man roster for the St. Louis Rams
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11431047/michael-sam-cut-st-louis-rams
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Champ Bailey cut by the Saints. Bummer to see this future Hall of Famer's career winding down like this. :(
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Michael Sam is cut from the 53 man roster for the St. Louis Rams
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11431047/michael-sam-cut-st-louis-rams
IMO he shouldn't be too worried, it was a tough hill considering how good the defense is already and how little spots were available. I wouldn't be surprised if another team picks him up, and if he doesn't, hey practice squad pays well.
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Michael Sam is cut from the 53 man roster for the St. Louis Rams
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11431047/michael-sam-cut-st-louis-rams
Dark day for ESPN's management.
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The amount of low-hanging fruit jokes will be off the charts if San Fran signs him.
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A couple of guys I was pulling for to make the Panthers final cut....made the final cut. I am happy.
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The amount of low-hanging fruit jokes will be off the charts if San Fran signs him.
I think they'll give him the shaft.
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The amount of low-hanging fruit jokes will be off the charts if San Fran signs him.
I think they'll give him the shaft.
:lol
I hope he makes another team. He had a great preseason with 3 sacks. But he was fighting for one roster spot with Westbrook, who also had a great preseason, and is more versatile. He can move anywhere on the D line. It will be a shame if Sam isn't picked up. He's shown a great work ethic, and the natural ability is there. As far as the "Drama" The only drama was what Dungy, and ESPN and the media created. From what we saw in Rams camp, there was no team drama at all.
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I think it would be cool if the Eagles picked him up. He's athletic, a hard worker, and has a lot to prove, three things that fit well with the team's culture. Unlike the Rams, our defense has a lot of room to improve. Why not buy low on someone with potential?
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11443518/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-arrested-domestic-violence-charges
Not the best timing...
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11443518/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-arrested-domestic-violence-charges
Not the best timing...
I'm curious what will happen when another domestic abuse case comes up (and it will). The policy allows for the first suspension to be reduced because of "mitigating circumstances." "Mitigating circumstances" is why Ray Rice only got two games. Will the league come up with excuses to not give out full six game suspensions
I didn't think we'd get an answer quite so soon, but alright then. Is Goodell gonna back up his words with actions? Stay tuned.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11443518/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-arrested-domestic-violence-charges
Not the best timing...
Yeah, bad timing, indeed.. :lol
This actually is going to force the issue that I was most curious about. Getting arrested for domestic violence is a damned easy thing to do, anybody who's ever watched Cops knows that. You can't really take action against somebody merely for the arrest. How does the league deal with this? Find out the details and act? Wait for the indictment? Wait until he's convicted? Sentence?
Also, there's this:
San Francisco coach Jim Harbaugh told his team that violence against women would not be tolerated.
"He said that we can do anything in the world and we can come and talk to him and he'll forgive us except put our hands on women," Whitner told the Bee. "If you put your hand on a woman, then you're done in his book."
Curious to see how much Harbaugh will stand behind his words.
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This actually is going to force the issue that I was most curious about. Getting arrested for domestic violence is a damned easy thing to do, anybody who's ever watched Cops knows that. You can't really take action against somebody merely for the arrest. How does the league deal with this? Find out the details and act? Wait for the indictment? Wait until he's convicted? Sentence?
It'll take a bit. If Goodell acts rashly, the NFLPA will be right on it. He remembers from the bounty scandal what happens when he overreaches, so he's going to want to make sure the evidence is there before he suspends McDonald. This isn't someone who cares very much for public opinion, so he's not going to be using McDonald as a sacrificial lamb for no reason. He's far more afraid of the NFLPA embarrassing him again.
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Jeez, that didn't take long, but then again, anyone with a temper bad enough to where they are gonna hit a woman, is too angry in the heat of the moment to rationally think, "Um, I might get suspended for six games if I do this, so I'd better uncock my fist and simmer down." In other words, this new rule isn't gonna be any kind of deterrent.
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No are gold diggers thinking I'll dig into this crazy Mofo and get me some money. Though I am 100% behind this move by the NFL you know there are people out there thinking this. These young men need to wake up.
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I posted about this once before, but I will once again because now we are in season and I think most of you are more football motivated now.
Matt Bowen's articles (and his entire archive) on bleacher report are probably the most well written, technical football writing you find outside of a football textbook, and I would put some of his articles above some of the texts I have. His articles will be my one "must read" during the season. This is his "what to watch for" article: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2177671-matt-bowens-nfl-regular-season-film-preview (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2177671-matt-bowens-nfl-regular-season-film-preview) Even if you don't care for the technical side, I love the gifs he uses:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/08/28/475e18ed1c8eed703ef1a6ee33f92e6c.gif?1409207845)
Damn endzone film is great. I wish I could watch all football games from endzone views. And those blocks...:drool:
Here is a different kind of article, don't know if he'll do many NFL 101's during the season, but here is one on the run game vs the Nickel package: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2170798-nfl-101-breaking-down-the-nickel-run-game (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2170798-nfl-101-breaking-down-the-nickel-run-game)
It's worth reading his NFL 101 articles and even the film studies from the preseason games.
Get educated.
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I'd agree that he's really good, but usually for in depth analysis I go with local writers.
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Local writers are for following the local team. Beat writers are good for things like personnel issues, but show me a local writer who breaks down film like Bowen. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Local writers are for following the local team. Beat writers are good for things like personnel issues, but show me a local writer who breaks down film like Bowen. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Sheil Kapadia is a local writer for the Eagles and he breaks down film all the time. Granted he only breaks down Eagles film, but that's the only team I'm really interested in enough to go through breakdowns.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11443518/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-arrested-domestic-violence-charges
Not the best timing...
If he is convicted, he will surely be made an example of. And, IMO, if he is convicted, he deserves to be made an example of (unless there are some mitigating circumstances, of course). So, actually, this is good timing, if you ask me. Yeah, as a 49er fan, I hate to see someone of his talent not being able to play (assuming it comes to that). But situations like this need to be dealt with severely.
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Too bad this happened so soon (too bad it happened at all really). I was waiting for The Onion to write an article titled, "Roger Goodell makes example out of self by hitting wife, then suspending himself"
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One thing is for sure: this season is gonna be a test of how good of a coach Jim Harbaugh really is. Don't get me wrong, he did a great job in his first three years in SF, but he did take over a team with a ton of high draft picks that had been underachieving for years, and he got them to play up to their full potential for the most part, but now quite a bit of adversity is being thrown their way and it should be interesting to see how the 9ers do this year.
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One thing is for sure: this season is gonna be a test of how good of a coach Jim Harbaugh really is. Don't get me wrong, he did a great job in his first three years in SF, but he did take over a team with a ton of high draft picks that had been underachieving for years, and he got them to play up to their full potential for the most part, but now quite a bit of adversity is being thrown their way and it should be interesting to see how the 9ers do this year.
Yes and no. It may seem like there have been a lot of issues, but when you take a step back and look at their entire roster, they are in pretty good shape, actually. Their WR corps has NEVER been this strong under Harbaugh, and their running back corps looks good as well. In fact, overall, this is probably the best offense they have had coming into a season in the Harbaugh era. The issues are on defense, really, and they boil down to: (1) Bowman's injury, (2) Aldon Smith's suspension, and (3) McDonald's likely suspension. Losing Bowman hurts. But they have a VERY deep linebacker corps that is led by Patrick Willis. Bowman is a monster, but Willis is the leader of that group, and even with him out for a huge chunk of last season, they were fine. I think they will be able to compensate for Bowman. Smith...it is what it is. Not easy to replace a guy like that, except the fact that they did precisely that when they were without him for 5 games last year, and they went 5-0 in that stretch. McDonald...we will have to wait and see. Again, others will have to step up. Those are all hits, for sure. But it also isn't like the entire team is falling apart. I expect them to compete for, and potentially win, the division title. But even if they end up falling a bit short, I am sure they will still have a successful season.
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Well the 49ers did try to trade their coach so Id say there are question marks in SF.
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No they didn't. That was a rumor that got squashed almost immediately.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11455813/wes-welker-denver-broncos-suspended-four-games-use-amphetamines
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Oh snap! Wow!
BTW, scroll down and this was the first thing I read. LOL.
"Concussions and speed -- basically Wes Welker is a Motörhead song."
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Oh snap! Wow!
BTW, scroll down and this was the first thing I read. LOL.
"Concussions and speed -- basically Wes Welker is a Motörhead song."
:lol I know the situation isn't funny, but that comment is.
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Sometimes you find gems in serious moments. :lol
I'm not surprised anymore with any athlete on any sport when they get caught. It's the norm, sad to say.
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And I just drafted him last night... :tdwn
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And I just drafted him last night... :tdwn
Maybe the 4 weeks may allow him to fully recover from his latest concussion.
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And I just drafted him last night... :tdwn
Maybe the 4 weeks may allow him to fully recover from his latest concussion.
That's a good point. I'd certainly prefer this suspension to another concussion. If he gets one more I think he'll call it quits (which he should).
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Wow. Trying to figure what sort of Speed he's likely into, and I'm guessing X. Partying at the Kentucky Derby, lots of pretty gold-diggers and drinking mint flavored whiskey. Hit of X seems like a pretty good option. And yeah, I was thinking the same thing about avoiding contact for 4 weeks. This really is the best time for him to get busted for being a dufus.
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Let me get this straight...
Beating your wife = 2 game suspension....
Using amphetamines = 4 game suspension.....
Smoking pot = 1 year suspension
:facepalm:
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The part that no one ever mentions when comparing Josh Gordon to others is that it is his third failed test, while Welker's was only his first. He didn't get suspended for smoking pot, he got suspended for repeatedly smoking pot after being caught twice.
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Let me get this straight...
Beating your wife = 2 game suspension....
Using amphetamines = 4 game suspension.....
Smoking pot = 1 year suspension
:facepalm:
This post = :facepalm:
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I'm disappointed in Welker :facepalm: Hopefully Sanders, Latimer, J. Thomas and Bubba Caldwell step up in his absence. I know I don't have to worry about Demaryius Thomas :metal
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Oh snap! Wow!
BTW, scroll down and this was the first thing I read. LOL.
"Concussions and speed -- basically Wes Welker is a Motörhead song."
:rollin
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Let me get this straight...
Beating your wife = 2 game suspension....
Using amphetamines = 4 game suspension.....
Smoking pot = 1 year suspension
:facepalm:
Meanwhile, half the NFL wears white after labor day at least 16 weeks a year scott fuckin free.
Let me get this straight...
Beating your wife = 2 game suspension....
Using amphetamines = 4 game suspension.....
Smoking pot = 1 year suspension
:facepalm:
This post = :facepalm:
Care to explain how hittin a broad isn't worse than taking a lower/mid level drug?
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Let me get this straight...
Beating your wife = 2 game suspension....
Using amphetamines = 4 game suspension.....
Smoking pot = 1 year suspension
:facepalm:
This post = :facepalm:
Care to explain how hittin a broad isn't worse than taking a lower/mid level drug?
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Nope. Obviously not enough context to compare these suspensions.
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Rice obviously should have gotten more than two games, but it's not as simple as saying, "Gordon got a year for smoking pot."
1. It was the third time he was caught.
2. It was collectively bargained by the players and the owners for that to be the deal.
3. Pissing away millions to get high is moronic.
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Oh, and as for Welker, well, he was on the Patriots for years, and you know what they say: once a cheater, always a cheater. :lol :biggrin:
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Oh, and as for Welker, well, he was on the Patriots for years, and you know what they say: once a cheater, always a cheater. :lol :biggrin:
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OH YEAH, KEV? Well, Welker plays for the Broncos now, and EVERYBODY knows that they...er...
I mean, they have such a longstanding reputation for...um...
That entire organization is a well-known bunch of...
Well, I never really liked orange that much.
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Haha, exactly.
Honestly, I wasn't counting on Welker that much this year, as I think he is one more concussion from retiring, so these first four weeks will give the young guys like Sanders and Latimer more of a chance to shine. The two Thomases (Demaryius and Julius) should both be reliable as heck, so let's see what the others can do and get this going. :coolio
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Cowboys signed Michael Sam to their practice squad. Good for them, they could actually use Michael Sam on the defense really. Cowboys are my mom and bio dad's favorite team, so as an extension I've always liked them, would be happy to see Sam in a Cowboys uniform sooner than later.
Apparently this facebook group of Moms is going to have a protest over it though :lol
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Well, the thing is, he actually doesn't look like he is going to develop into a very good player, from what he has shown so far. So that being said, I am absolutely in favor of him going to the Cowboys. :lol
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Well, the thing is, he actually doesn't look like he is going to develop into a very good player, from what he has shown so far. So that being said, I am absolutely in favor of him going to the Cowboys. :lol
He had a pretty good preseason, the only reason he didn't make it onto the Rams is because the Rams are already solid as fuck on defense and they gave the one open spot they had to another player with a pretty much equally good preseason.
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Sam did almost all of his good work in preseason against the backups (see: a lot of players who were cut this past week). I think he could be a good situational pass rusher for a team in need of help in that area, but that's about it. He is apparently awful against the run (too small).
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I wasn't following specifically, but the things I read actually said he was very lackluster in the preseason. If that is not correct, I apologize.
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Just out of curiosity, what is the take from an outsider's perspective (i.e. someone outside the S.F. Bay Area who is not a 49er fan) on the Ray McDonald situation? A certain former 49er commented on radio that Harbaugh "has to" take a stand and bench McDonald this week if we wants to uphold any credibility. I strongly disagree--at least, based on the facts I am aware of so far. If there are enough facts to believe that the accusations are likely true, then he should absolutely be benched AND should face severe consequences from the league. But until such evidence actually comes out and the process has not had a chance to play out, I think it actuall behooves the coaching and the organization to essentially consider him innocent until proven otherwise. I mean, how to other players in the locker room even attempt to feel like the organization has their back if players get penalized based on mere accusations? I dunno. It's a tough call, and I understand wanting to take a hard stance on the issue to make a statement in support of zero tolerance for certain behaviors. But I just also think it is important to refrain from jumping the gun.
What do you guy think?
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It's a damned if you do; damned if you don't situation. These are some pretty serious allegations. Yes, the law is innocent until proven guilty, but benching someone has nothing to do with the law, it's about principle's. Let me put it back this way... in ANY other profession, what could/should an employer do if an employee is charged with something like this? I would suspect most would put an employee on paid leave while an investigation is ongoing.
It's not a matter of doing the legal thing, it's a matter of doing the 'right' or ethical thing. Sure, you've got to guard against unfounded allegations, but is this a legit thing with MacDonald (I don't know... I'm not following it)? If there's ANY semblance of legitimacy, I would say the 'right' thing is to bench him.
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Do we have any idea what the allegations are? If there was a tussle and both parties went to jail then I could see holding off on judgement. If he was caught on video dragging her lifeless body out of an elevator then you bench him now.
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Just out of curiosity, what is the take from an outsider's perspective (i.e. someone outside the S.F. Bay Area who is not a 49er fan) on the Ray McDonald situation? A certain former 49er commented on radio that Harbaugh "has to" take a stand and bench McDonald this week if we wants to uphold any credibility. I strongly disagree--at least, based on the facts I am aware of so far. If there are enough facts to believe that the accusations are likely true, then he should absolutely be benched AND should face severe consequences from the league. But until such evidence actually comes out and the process has not had a chance to play out, I think it actuall behooves the coaching and the organization to essentially consider him innocent until proven otherwise. I mean, how to other players in the locker room even attempt to feel like the organization has their back if players get penalized based on mere accusations? I dunno. It's a tough call, and I understand wanting to take a hard stance on the issue to make a statement in support of zero tolerance for certain behaviors. But I just also think it is important to refrain from jumping the gun.
What do you guy think?
I agree with your assessment. Particularly the bolded part. When the Donald Sterling tape leaked, the NBA had to do an investigation to confirm its authenticity. A Clippers game was scheduled to be played before the investigation would be finished, so Silver (NBA commissioner) asked Sterling not to attend. Because the voice on the tape was almost certainly Sterling's, it was appropriate for Silver to take this action.
In this case, very little is known about what McDonald is being accused of. Unless the league and the 49ers know far more than we do, no information exists to justify a benching or suspension. In America, you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
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It's a damned if you do; damned if you don't situation. These are some pretty serious allegations. Yes, the law is innocent until proven guilty, but benching someone has nothing to do with the law, it's about principle's. Let me put it back this way... in ANY other profession, what could/should an employer do if an employee is charged with something like this? I would suspect most would put an employee on paid leave while an investigation is ongoing.
It's not a matter of doing the legal thing, it's a matter of doing the 'right' or ethical thing. Sure, you've got to guard against unfounded allegations, but is this a legit thing with MacDonald (I don't know... I'm not following it)? If there's ANY semblance of legitimacy, I would say the 'right' thing is to bench him.
I do not disagree with you in principle. But the thing is, thus far, he has NOT been charged. IMO, we simply do not know enough. And I get that in a normal workplace, the safe course would be to put someone on an admin leave pending investigation. But in an NFL season that lasts only 16 weeks, doing that to a player has very different consequences than it would in the typical workplace. I just don't know. I tend to agree with Reap's assessment.
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And I get that in a normal workplace, the safe course would be to put someone on an admin leave pending investigation. But in an NFL season that lasts only 16 weeks, doing that to a player has very different consequences than it would in the typical workplace.
Yeah. I thought about this too. Let's say you told McDonald not to play in games, but you still allowed him to collect paychecks, attend practices, and work out. What message are you sending, that the only reason he isn't playing is for PR? That strikes me as far more cynical than just playing him.
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I agree on all counts above. Like I said, I'm not following it at all. I didn't know that he hadn't been charged. This first broke when?? 5 days ago. If there hasn't been enough in 5 days for the po-po to press charges, then I say there's not enough to justify benching him. Hence the reason/need to guard against baseless accusations. Frankly, this hasn't made any of the news outlets I'm following, so I don't know squat about it.
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We, as a society are too quick to judge. We demand quick, and harsh retribution of the highest degree, fact finding be damned. The facts must be presented, and they must be indisputable. Furthermore, from a PR standpoint, once the punishment is enacted, you can't fix the past if it is later determined they are innocent. Ask a Duke lacrosse player what happens when "justice" is meted out without regards to the facts just to satisfy out egos.
The 49ers and the league must wait until the facts are found, even if it pisses off women's rights groups. Right now we don't know the facts. Leveling any discipline until the time they are known - which doesn't necessarily mean when and if it goes to trial - only makes it harder to do the right thing in the future because society will demand justice faster next time.
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If I'm not mistaken, I think I read that Goodell said that the league wouldn't do anything until the legal system had run its course.
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We, as a society are too quick to judge. We demand quick, and harsh retribution of the highest degree, fact finding be damned. The facts must be presented, and they must be indisputable. Furthermore, from a PR standpoint, once the punishment is enacted, you can't fix the past if it is later determined they are innocent. Ask a Duke lacrosse player what happens when "justice" is meted out without regards to the facts just to satisfy out egos.
The 49ers and the league must wait until the facts are found, even if it pisses off women's rights groups. Right now we don't know the facts. Leveling any discipline until the time they are known - which doesn't necessarily mean when and if it goes to trial - only makes it harder to do the right thing in the future because society will demand justice faster next time.
There's a fine line between judging too quick vs acting too lenient. Tell me how society/authorities should react if child pr0n allegations are thrown against an elementary school teacher? Abuse of power charges against law enforcement? Should we just wait until there's undeniable proof/evidence. Sometimes the idiom 'better safe than sorry' should prevail. For as many Duke lacrosse players, there are UC at Berkley female students who got swept under the rug because of their (ultimately proven) allegations. But, we digress and are approaching P/R level discussion.
I've stated my stance on this MacDonald situation, and I'm taking it to the extreme with the above situations. Just saying it's not always as black and white as "innocent until proven guilty".
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There's a fine line between judging too quick vs acting too lenient.
No one in this thread is arguing for leniency. The different posts in this thread seem to be indicating that McDonald's punishment, if the charges are legitimate, should be severe.
Tell me how society/authorities should react if child pr0n allegations are thrown against an elementary school teacher? Abuse of power charges against law enforcement? Should we just wait until there's undeniable proof/evidence. Sometimes the idiom 'better safe than sorry' should prevail.
I would hope his girlfriend isn't putting herself and her unborn child in further danger by staying with him. But beyond that, I'm not sure how this thinking applies. It would make more sense if he assaulted a teammate or a coach.
For as many Duke lacrosse players, there are UC at Berkley female students who got swept under the rug because of their (ultimately proven) allegations. But, we digress and are approaching P/R level discussion.
I've stated my stance on this MacDonald situation, and I'm taking it to the extreme with the above situations. Just saying it's not always as black and white as "innocent until proven guilty".
Here's the sports-specific issue: These players are public figures to at least some degree. Look at how badly allegations of rape damaged Kobe Bryant or Ben Roethlisberger's reputations. Look at how badly the NFL's PR was damaged by the Ray Rice wrist slap. Has Goodell apologized for anything else ever? Chris Andersen (better known as Birdman) almost fell out of the NBA because of being charged for committing crimes against children that he didn't do.
No one's saying it should be black or white (at least I don't think so). Even if criminal charges aren't filed against McDonald, the NFL should suspend him if its own investigation finds evidence of wrong doing. But, while we shouldn't prioritize these guys careers over the damage they've done to their victims, it seems reasonable to make sure that damage actually happened.
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Reap, I agree with all of that.
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If Earl Thomas is going to return punts, he needs to learn how to call for a fair catch.
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Great job of taking advantage of that turnover by the Packers offense.
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If Earl Thomas is going to return punts, he needs to learn how to call for a fair catch.
I'm still scratching my head at why they are letting this guy return punts :rollin
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Reap, I agree with all of that.
I do too. I wasn't advocating for punishment for MacDonald already. I was just saying that there's a fine line between 'innocent until proven guilty' and 'better safe than sorry'. Errors have been made favoring one side or the other incorrectly - judging someone who was innocent (examples you mentioned) and brushing aside or covering up situations that were not innocent (if you need a sports analogy, let's go with Sandusky).
I have no idea which one MacDonald will ultimately fall in to.
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Yes, but how does "better safe than sorry" even apply in this situation? As with the other analogy, Sandusky doesn't work. Yeah, Sundusky being suspended and taken away from the kids would have prevented him from molesting other kids. But what harm would potentially suspending McDonald have? I just don't see how the situation is analogous.
And can somebody please break Lynch's legs? Isn't there a bounty on that guy? Oh wait, wrong team.
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Bosk1, Don't cross The Crooked Eyes...........
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Yes, but how does "better safe than sorry" even apply in this situation? As with the other analogy, Sandusky doesn't work. Yeah, Sundusky being suspended and taken away from the kids would have prevented him from molesting other kids. But what harm would potentially suspending McDonald have? I just don't see how the situation is analogous.
And can somebody please break Lynch's legs? Isn't there a bounty on that guy? Oh wait, wrong team.
For a third time... I'm not advocating for specific punishment/action to be taken on MacDonald. You're right... his isn't a 'better safe than sorry' scenario. My comments should be taken completely disassociated from the MacDonald situation. When Doc opened the discussion to society as a whole, and other specific situations, I simply countered that it's not always black and white, or in the best interest to err on the side of assuming 'innocent until proven guilty'.
I believe we are in violent agreement on our views.
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https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2014&wk=1
Map of which games are being shown where and who will be calling them. Nice to see that CBS views the Oakland/New York game as their biggest. :omg:
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Seattle is making this look easy.
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In the teacher/coach molestation scenario, suspending the teacher removes him from a situation where he can do it again. McDonald isn't going to hit a woman on the field or at practice. If anything, football keeps him away from the problem situation since he is going to work, then you take care of the rest like putting him up in a hotel until things are settled.
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Seattle is making this look easy.
I picked them to repeat and everything I saw tonight made me think I will be right.
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SEA is scary good.
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Damn you Eddie Lacy for getting concussed! >:(
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Damn you Eddie Lacy for getting concussed! >:(
Yeah... how inconsiderate of him :|
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPmObvuOMYA#t=127
Mean Tweets, NFL style.
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Damn you Eddie Lacy for getting concussed! >:(
Yeah... how inconsiderate of him :|
I know hey. He's in my fantasy team.
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Damn you Eddie Lacy for getting concussed! >:(
I know. Should have been Marshawn Lynch.
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Damn you Eddie Lacy for getting concussed! >:(
I know. Should have been Marshawn Lynch.
Fuckin A. I'm not versing the guy in my league that has him, but the guy that's got him deserves to lose lol.
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Every year Lynch is undervalued, and every year he proves his doubters wrong. When will people stop making this mistake?
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As a Packers fan, I am sick and tired of Dom Capers and his soft coverages on defense, especially against run the game. For the past three seasons, our defense has gotten progressively worse each year. Last year was one of the worst in franchise history, giving up a record number of yards. Especially the games we've played against Kaepernick.... he rushed for 200 yards in the playoffs a few seasons ago, and it seems like Capers has not learned from it at all.
It is time for Green Bay to move on and find a guy that can get the defense up to par and doesn’t rely on Rodgers to save the day.
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As a Packers fan, I am sick and tired of Dom Capers and his soft coverages on defense, especially against run the game. For the past three seasons, our defense has gotten progressively worse each year. Last year was one of the worst in franchise history, giving up a record number of yards. Especially the games we've played against Kaepernick.... he rushed for 200 yards in the playoffs a few seasons ago, and it seems like Capers has not learned from it at all.
It is time for Green Bay to move on and find a guy that can get the defense up to par and doesn’t rely on Rodgers to save the day.
Amen brother.
On the second touchdown we didn't even have 11 guys on the field (I've checked the video and there's no one off camera)
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I agree about Capers, but at what point is Mike McCarthy also culpable? I know he was the coach of the team that won it following the 2010 season, but he's never struck me as anything more than a solid head coach. Aaron Rodgers makes him look awfully good, similar to how Peyton Manning can make just about any head coach look good as well. Look at how the Packers fell apart last year when they didn't have Rodgers. Where was Mike McCarthy's great coaching then?
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Yeah I was just discussing that in another forum... his playcalling has become terribly predictable, when was the last time MM did anything innovative or out of the box? Like you said, having Rodgers and playing in a relatively weak division has kept the coaches safe and weaknesses haven't been adressed (front 7, defensive scheme, offensive playcalling). We'll have to wait and see how this season goes but it's clear this team needs a change.
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Going to the game tomorrow. Got to love season openers!
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The first Sunday of football is here! Let's do this. :metal :metal
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E! A! G! L! E! S!
EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!
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Bills offense looked pretty good on that TD drive just now :laugh:
EDIT: Defense just looked fantastic as well :zydar:
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This is the first Sunday in years that I won't be able to:
- Sit at home all day watching football
- Watch NFL Redzone
- Eat myself into a food coma watching football
What a weird day...
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GRONK SPIKE!!!!
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BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS
EDIT: EJ has a clear run for a first down, only needs to go two yards, throws it to somebody heavily covered and throws an interception instead. God damn it.
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EJ isn't that good. Kyle Orton may have his job by midseason by my own estimation.
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(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/My%20Pics/Billshat_zps53f6c6df.jpg)
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Patriots seem to have forgotten how to tackle during the offseason.
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And the offensive line can't block 4 rushers.
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Bills interception!
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These games on Sunday are so much better. I swear, the Thursday Night season opener was a snooze fest.
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Still 3 1/2 minutes left but a well deserved loss for the Pats.
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Still 3 1/2 minutes left but a well deserved loss for the Pats.
Yeah. I don't read much from divisional games, so the loss doesn't really bug me too much, but that was a shockingly ugly second half.
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Awwww yissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Still 3 1/2 minutes left but a well deserved loss for the Pats.
Yeah. I don't read much from divisional games, so the loss doesn't really bug me too much, but that was a shockingly ugly second half.
Yes. To see both sides play so poorly was surprising
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The Patriots are in last place all by themselves. :tup :tup
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Well the Saints blew my parlay, even though the Raiders came through.
Now that the whole winning my bet pressure is out of the way, Niners time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Saints can go eat a fuckin dick and commit mass suicide.
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The Saints can go eat a fuckin dick and commit mass suicide.
And there's the josh-rage. How you likin Rob Ryan?
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hahahahahahaha go dolphins
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The Saints can go eat a fuckin dick and commit mass suicide.
And there's the josh-rage. How you likin Rob Ryan?
If nobody's fired by tomorrow, I'm seriously gonna be pissed. Our D was worse today than at any point during 2012 when we were widely regarded as tne worst in NFL history. And this happened against the shitty Falcons of all teams whom we'd been 13-3 against over the previous 16 games. Those 3 losses included a missed 29-yard walkoff OT FG attempt in 2010 and a loss in 2012 where we had our coach stolen so this is a team we had no business choking away a 13-point lead to. This is gonna be another wildcard-at-best year unless someone gets in someone's face behind the scenes and makes it clear the status quo won't fly.
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The Saints can go eat a fuckin dick and commit mass suicide.
Hey, at least it was a good game. I'm watching 9ers @ Dallas and already turned the channel. Dallas makes me fuckin' sick and it's only the 1st Qtr of the 1st game and they can't score against a decimated 9er defense. Pathetic.
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I think the Josh Rage is one of the most entertaining parts of the season...
Niners are fucking rolling btw...
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lolromo
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The Patriots are in last place all by themselves. :tup :tup
Don't make me laugh at this statement too hard Kev. Enjoy it. Lol
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The Saints can go eat a fuckin dick and commit mass suicide.
Hey, at least it was a good game.
I don't think anyone whose team squandered a 13-point lead and spread their ass cheeks as wide as they could for the entire second half has ever said or even thought this.
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The Eagles game went to a dark place. At the end of the first half, they were down 0-17 to fucking Jacksonville. Foles had three fumbles and one interception.
Fortunately, they scored 34 unanswered.
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I can't decide if the 49ers D is that good or if Tony Romo is just that terrible ...
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Back from the stadium. Ain't nothing like cheering on your favorite team in your hometown. Incredible atmosphere.
Game was looking ugly, but I'm glad the Ravens made a comeback. That Flacco to Smith Sr. TD was incredible, but yeah, the Bengals earned that win.
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DoC, I hope you guys enjoy Steve Smith. That TD was monster, and I am fairly certain that Adam Jones won't forget it.
Derek Anderson has looked great for the Panthers today.
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I can't decide if the 49ers D is that good or if Tony Romo is just that terrible ...
Either way you be be wrong. It's Jerry Fucking Jones.
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DoC, I hope you guys enjoy Steve Smith. That TD was monster, and I am fairly certain that Adam Jones won't forget it.
Derek Anderson has looked great for the Panthers today.
We could use Smith's intensity. We lost that when we gave Boldin away.
Anderson has looked great, and that TD to the rookie was awesome.
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Really want a Falcons/Dolphins SB. My two favorites.
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Do you have a fetish for 1966 expansion teams?
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Julius Thomas is pretty good.
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That was an great finish on that TD run by Luck!!!
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They need to play Is it Luck? by Primus every time Andrew Luck runs for a TD.
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I don't care if it was a foul, highlight of the week:
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HI-YA!
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I don't see how you fine or penalize that. He began his jump a good 2 or 3 yards before encountering the punter and just couldn't stay airborne long enough to clear him plus there was no safe place for his feet to land since it looks like the punter's body is completely occupying any and all area he could've possibly landed based on his momentum. It's not like he tried a Tiger Knee a yard away from the guy.
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They gave him an unnecessary roughness penalty, which I'm not completely against. The commentator saying if he would have turned left he would have housed it was wrong though, if he would have veered to his left, #30 catches him from behind.
I figure Le'Veon Bell can teach Brown how to hurdle.
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Needs the Donkey Kong barrel jump sound effect.
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Not gonna lie, I was hoping to see another Luck-y comeback. Great game.
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I went out to Buffalo Wild Wings for the first quarter of the Niners game, and what a great decision that was! That was an absolute romp. And frankly the only reason it came even remotely close at the end of that game is the one drive the refs kept the drive going for the Cowboys twice with some VERY questionable defensive penalties.
And while our defensive suspensions and injuries suck, I'm not worried about it. Just like with our TE/WR problem at the start of last year, if you do well now, you'll only do better when you get more weapons back as the year progresses.
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TMZ now has the video of Ray Rice cold-cocking his now-wife:
https://m.tmz.com/#Article/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video
If the NFL saw this beforehand, unreal that the guy only got two games. Despicable.
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Jezuz... not a lot of remorse there either, dragging her half way out of the elevator and just dropping her.
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Too bad this wasn't out earlier. Bad men do these things. Nobody should cheer for him.
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The video didn't really show anything that he didn't cop to already. By all accounts he was very forthcoming and didn't try to sugarcoat anything when talking to the league or the team. While Goodel didn't have access to the video, I'm not sure it would have mattered. As for now, since he's already catching flack for the lightness of the penalty I wouldn't be surprised if he added on a couple of games citing the new evidence. It wouldn't be particularly fair, but at this point nobody gives a damn about fair when beating up your old lady is involved.
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I don't think the CBA allows them to extend or add another suspension, cause of the whole double jeopardy thing. But if they did, while the NFLPA would fight it, public sentiment would be so heavily slanted against Rice, it might not be a fight the union wants to sign up for.
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I didn't read Rice's account Bart but he did admit to hitting her?
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You can be damned sure ANY slip up by Rice will be dealt swiftly and heavily with extreme prejudice to compensate for screwing up how the league dealt with this one.
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I would bet money TMZ has had this footage for at least a few days and waited till this morning to release it. It's the day after the first Sunday of football and this is all anyone is gonna talk about today. This is what the NFL gets for the way they handled it. And at what point does the Ravens organization step up and take a stand? Or are they okay with one of their players getting a slap on the wrist for this? Their silence will speak volumes.
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The Ravens have to cut Rice now, unless they want this to spiral further out of control.
Tape never lies. The situation didn't appear to be particularly tense or animated. Rice just punched her hard enough to knock her out... for some reason.
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The Ravens have to cut Rice now...
Interestingly enough, I had not thought about that rather obvious solution.
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I think the NFL will extend his suspension to 6 to 8 games and I don't think the NFLPA will fight this at all.
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It's tricky... the right thing to do is just that Joe. But the whole 'double jeopardy' is an issue too. The NFLPA would be foolish to fight it though.
I do think it would be a good idea to cut him. No other team in their right mind would pick him up for at least a few months til this shit is not front-and-centre in the media. Maybe even the next off-season. That effectively gives him the suspension he should've got.
He could then come and play in the CFL for a few months at least. :jets:
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I think the NFL will extend his suspension to 6 to 8 games and I don't think the NFLPA will fight this at all.
This would put the NFLPA in an excruciatingly bad position. The CBA doesn't allow the NFL to extend his suspension. But, like you said, it would be PR suicide to campaign against doing so.
You'd hope that Goodell wouldn't use this as an opportunity to whittle away at the NFLPA's power, but I wouldn't put such a thing past him.
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Deadspin brought up an interesting piece of speculation - That the NFL had seen the tape but is lying about not having seen it.
Schefter makes sure to clearly state that multiple reporters, including ESPN's Jane McManus and SI's Peter King, had it on good authority that the league had seen the tape. He might as well be holding up a sign that reads, "THE NFL IS LYING TO US."
I wouldn't bet on it being true, but I wouldn't be surprised either.
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I think the NFL is lying.
Besides the punch, the worst thing about the video is how nonchalant Rice was right after that. He didn't react like OMG what did I just do; he reacted like it was no big deal, like it's something he does all the time.
I predict the Ravens release him within a day.
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The year before the lockout, the NFL had a year without a salary cap. Mysteriously, most of the teams seemed to be obeying some sort of secret agreement. The NFL assured the players this was not happening.
After the lockout, the leagued punished the Redskins and Cowboys for violating a written agreement putting into place a secret salary cap.
The league should be judged by its actions, no?
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And...... Ray Rice is gone.
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https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/509043216977371136
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Well, that didn't take long.
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Well, holy shit.
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That's faster than RJ at the casino!
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I think the NFL will extend his suspension to 6 to 8 games and I don't think the NFLPA will fight this at all.
This would put the NFLPA in an excruciatingly bad position. The CBA doesn't allow the NFL to extend his suspension. But, like you said, it would be PR suicide to campaign against doing so.
You'd hope that Goodell wouldn't use this as an opportunity to whittle away at the NFLPA's power, but I wouldn't put such a thing past him.
For the record, the NFLPA should have taken up such a case because it's their job and the right thing to do. Publicity doesn't mean shit to what they should and actually do. I view them much like the ACLU, in they both catch a tremendous amount of flack for the issues they take up, but in all of those cases the issues matter as much to the so-called good guys as they do the bad actors. In this case, yeah, defending a guy who coldcocked his old lady looks pretty shitty, but the league and the player are both bound by a set of rules and allowing the league to alter them to address one case would be damaging to all of the players and the NFL itself.
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And now we might just find out. Appears the league just suspended him indefinitely. You won't see me defending Ray Rice the player, but I certainly will with regards to the rule of law.
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To me this is another example of the sketchiness of the NFL and pro sports in general. The tape didn't reveal any new information, at least not that I'm aware. This makes me think that the Ravens cutting Rice was purely a PR move and they couldn't care less about what he actually did.
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I won't watch another NFL game until Goodell is no longer commissioner.
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The video was horrible, and removes all doubt. I wish that all crimes/despicable acts were filmed. Would make it so much easier.
The NFL stated they NEVER saw that video until today. If the Ravens saw that months ago, and turned the other cheek, then I would seriously question continuing to be a fan of the team. But the swift reaction today has made me hopeful that the Ravens did not see the video until today. I hope this is a case of them doing the right thing, and not covering their own asses.
Two Ray Rice jerseys are getting thrown away at this house today Good riddance.
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To me this is another example of the sketchiness of the NFL and pro sports in general. The tape didn't reveal any new information, at least not that I'm aware. This makes me think that the Ravens cutting Rice was purely a PR move and they couldn't care less about what he actually did.
I'd like to hope that isn't the case, but the question will always be in the back of my mind.
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That's faster than RJ at the casino!
Nah, I was out of there before the news broke.
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For the record, the NFLPA should have taken up such a case because it's their job and the right thing to do. Publicity doesn't mean shit to what they should and actually do. I view them much like the ACLU, in they both catch a tremendous amount of flack for the issues they take up, but in all of those cases the issues matter as much to the so-called good guys as they do the bad actors. In this case, yeah, defending a guy who coldcocked his old lady looks pretty shitty, but the league and the player are both bound by a set of rules and allowing the league to alter them to address one case would be damaging to all of the players and the NFL itself.
I agree with you entirely. If I were running the NFLPA, I'd be appealing Rice's suspension immediately and filing a lawsuit if that appeal failed. Increasing his suspension, in violation of the CBA, sets catastrophic precedent.
The thing though is that bad PR just got Ray Rice cut. It also forced Donald Sterling and now Bruce Levenson to sell their sports teams. PR has very real power in the Internet era. The NFLPA better be ready for the blowback.
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The NFL was merely trying to act like, "Hey, we are gonna act after this new information, too," but, given the PR nightmare it would be, they likely didn't have to do it, since I don't see any team signing Rice in 2014. I could see a team eventually giving him a shot next year or something once the outcry dies down a bit, but this year? No freaking way.
The bottom line is that the NFL and Baltimore Ravens both dropped the ball big time months ago.
And think about those bozos in the stands in Baltimore who loudly cheered Rice at the one preseason game. :facepalm:
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Anyway, back to regular football chatter:
-Luck should get some type of award for carrying that offense the way he does. No running game and no line. It's basically all on him and the passing game.
-RG3 may never be what he was his rookie year again, but why is Jay Gruden trying to turn him into a pocket QB? That's called not utilizing his skill set to the max. If Gruden wants a pocket QB, he mights as well just start Cousins next week and trade RG3.
-If/when Cordarrelle Patterson evolves in a great NFL route runner/pass catcher, he is gonna be scary good.
-J.J. Watt might be the best NFL player. At any position.
-Chiefs fans finally got to feel the agony of Andy Reid ignoring their stud RB for most of a game. :lol :lol
-Jake Locker looked good, but can he stay healthy?
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Agreed on all accounts Kev.
BTW, Bart and Reap, I don't disagree at all and it is their job to protect player but boy I was thinking that the pressure the NFLPA would be under by doing their job and that I'd like to see that pressure on the players.
Also, Scott Zolak and ex QB for the Pats on the radio today was cursing how the QB's are being protected these days. I agree. The league and all these rules they are stressing is playing into to the fans of fantasy Football.
I know how big Fantasy Football is but it's getting real close to flag football and I'm not liking it. Protect the heads of players I'm all for, the other stuff is nonsense.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
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And think about those bozos in the stands in Baltimore who loudly cheered Rice at the one preseason game. :facepalm:
Bozos? I don't think that's fair, especially since the video just came out today.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
Ray Rice? According to the Thread Title, we should be talking about the Saints :\
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Agreed on all accounts Kev.
BTW, Bart and Reap, I don't disagree at all and it is their job to protect player but boy I was thinking that the pressure the NFLPA would be under by doing their job and that I'd like to see that pressure on the players.
Also, Scott Zolak and ex QB for the Pats on the radio today was cursing how the QB's are being protected these days. I agree. The league and all these rules they are stressing is playing into to the fans of fantasy Football.
I know how big Fantasy Football is but it's getting real close to flag football and I'm not liking it. Protect the heads of players I'm all for, the other stuff is nonsense.
Joe Flacco got absolutely drilled on a late hit, and no flag was thrown. But that always seems to be the case with Flacco.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
:lol
BTW, sorry DOC. I hate seeing this stuff. Sucks as a fan when that happens to your team.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
:lol
BTW, sorry DOC. I hate seeing this stuff. Sucks as a fan when that happens to your team.
No need to apologize. I know what you've gone through with the Pats. I wouldn't expect casual fans to be able to relate.
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I think Fantasy football is ruining football, which is part of the reason I don't think I enjoy it any more. Players are viewed on fantasy value, and not real value, and per game shows and analysts are catering to the FF fan.
I realize I am in the minority on this, but I would much rather get the end zone all 22 view of football and a DVR with only stadium/field microphones. Guess that is the former coach in me, and why I love Matt Bowen's column.
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Joe Flacco got absolutely drilled on a late hit, and no flag was thrown. But that always seems to be the case with Flacco.
Big Ben gets the same treatment as Flacco because they are big guys, and not waifs like Tom Brady.
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I think Fantasy football is ruining football, which is part of the reason I don't think I enjoy it any more. Players are viewed on fantasy value, and not real value, and per game shows and analysts are catering to the FF fan.
I know what you mean, but the emphasis on fantasy isn't going to decrease. If anything, it will keep growing. Fantasy is a huge part of why the NFL is so popular. It gives following football a participatory aspect that no other sport has. The way people are addicted to Fantasy Football is actually kind of amazing. I know really busy people that are still putting in the time to evaluate players and create their own draft ratings. Of course the NFL is going to emphasize something that brings it so much attention.
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I think Fantasy football is ruining football, which is part of the reason I don't think I enjoy it any more. Players are viewed on fantasy value, and not real value, and per game shows and analysts are catering to the FF fan.
I realize I am in the minority on this, but I would much rather get the end zone all 22 view of football and a DVR with only stadium/field microphones. Guess that is the former coach in me, and why I love Matt Bowen's column.
I'm in your corner.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
I'll think about it... :biggrin:
And think about those bozos in the stands in Baltimore who loudly cheered Rice at the one preseason game. :facepalm:
Bozos? I don't think that's fair, especially since the video just came out today.
You're right. Prior to today, all we saw was Rice dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of an elevator after, by his own admission, knocking her out. Yeah, a guy like that should definitely be cheered.
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Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
I'll think about it... :biggrin:
And think about those bozos in the stands in Baltimore who loudly cheered Rice at the one preseason game. :facepalm:
Bozos? I don't think that's fair, especially since the video just came out today.
You're right. Prior to today, all we saw was Rice dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of an elevator after, by his own admission, knocking her out. Yeah, a guy like that should definitely be cheered.
None of us knew that this was exactly what happened. We were told that his wife had a hand in it and that it was more two sided than it really was. Without condoning "the dispute" but instead trusting how the parties involved, the team and the league described what happened, we as a city were ready to support our guy. He lied. She lied. This is different. The end.
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We were told that his wife had a hand in it and that it was more two sided than it really was.
Even a broken watch is right twice a day, and this is where the crazy feminists make an important point. If he punched her in the face hard enough to knock her out, and she didn't pull out some kind of weapon, then there is nothing she could have said or done to justifiably provoke it. The term victim blaming is thrown around too loosely, but it totally applies here.
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@Kev, I think the league's actions do matter. Rice would have been signed again this year. Wouldn't have been anytime soon because of the baggage, but around week 8 or 9 when somebody's all-pro running back gets injured, he'd get signed as a replacement and the team would have the "well, fuck, what were we suppose to do" card to play. Strictly as a desperation move a team would be able to get away with signing him in a couple of months. However, now the baggage goes much further. It won't blow over until it's settled, and with the likely appeal it won't be settled anytime soon. If it doesn't get resolved until week 8 or 9, then that's when the clock starts on putting it in the past and we won't be seeing him this year.
And it still bugs me that the networks won't provide a field noise only SAP. That happened for a bit last year due to a technical glitch and it was awesome. The best I've been able to come up with was a stream of Football de Lundi Nuit. You still have commentary but since you can't understand it you tune it out pretty quickly.
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Looks like it will be a good two weeks at least before I'll be able to watch Sportscenter again.
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Looks like it will be a good two weeks at least before I'll be able to watch Sportscenter again.
A lot of people are going to want Goodell's head on a pike:
- A lot of people in the media think the NFL was lying about not having seen the tape.
- Now that the tape is out, the outrage about his two game suspension is going to be even stronger.
- The other owners are probably unhappy that Goodell has made the league look bad.
- The NFLPA is going to be pissed because he just violated the CBA by giving Rice another suspension.
If some kind of hard evidence leaks that the NFL had the tape, Goodell is gone.
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Maybe the NFL can trade for Adam Silver. He looks like someone who's willing to get shit done.
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Ya know, Roger Goodell just announced the new policy 10 days ago, and now he's disregarding it already. How does 6 games become indefinite?
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Ya know, Roger Goodell just announced the new policy 10 days ago, and now he's disregarding it already. How does 6 games become indefinite?
The policy technically says the suspension can be longer or shorter due to circumstances.
But I know what you mean. Rice's indefinite suspension is the act of someone who doesn't know what he's doing. What Goodell wants is (a) to look like he's doing something and (b) make sure another team doesn't sign Rice, provoking a new shit storm.
He didn't accomplish the first goal at all. No one cares. Too many people are suspicious he saw the tape in the first place. Too many people, now that they've seen the tape, find Goodell's judgment in the first place to be totally indefensible.
The second goal has been technically accomplished, but he's risking a grievance being filed by the union, which it could easily win. Also, like you said, people would eventually forget about this anyway. Now Goodell is ensuring it will be dragged out.
I don't know why anyone debates this guy's performance as commissioner. He's a fuck up. The NFL's growth is in spite of him.
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Ravens press conference coming up. I don't want to hear from Coach Harbaugh. I want to hear from Steve Bisciotti and Dick Cass.
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Ya know, Roger Goodell just announced the new policy 10 days ago, and now he's disregarding it already. How does 6 games become indefinite?
The policy technically says the suspension can be longer or shorter due to circumstances.
Yes, and then it goes on to list some example extenuating circumstances; pregnant, use a weapon, wail on her repeatedly and choking. What's the aggravating condition here? Being in an elevator?
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Yes, and then it goes on to list some example extenuating circumstances; pregnant, use a weapon, wail on her repeatedly and choking. What's the aggravating condition here? Being in an elevator?
I hope this makes sense - You're technically wrong but I know what you mean. The letter doesn't limit Goodell's authority on a longer suspension at all. It's just a set of guidelines. But again, like you said, Goodell completely tossed aside his own words when dropping the indefinite suspension. He didn't care.
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Calvin Johnson is such a beast. /captain obvious
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What Goodell wants is . . . (b) make sure another team doesn't sign Rice, provoking a new shit storm.
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The second goal has been technically accomplished, but he's risking a grievance being filed by the union, which it could easily win. Also, like you said, people would eventually forget about this anyway. Now Goodell is ensuring it will be dragged out.
In my opinion, that is actually fine. I disagree that people will forget about it. I think Barto is right that some team out there may have picked him up eventually. Goodell made sure that did not happen, and the fact that the union will now have to get involved is just an unfortunate but acceptable consequence.
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In my opinion, that is actually fine. I disagree that people will forget about it. I think Barto is right that some team out there may have picked him up eventually. Goodell made sure that did not happen, and the fact that the union will now have to get involved is just an unfortunate but acceptable consequence.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that suspending Rice indefinitely was the right decision? Maybe I'm being naive, but if I were Goodell I wouldn't want to do something that so blatantly violates the CBA.
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Ravens press conference coming up. I don't want to hear from Coach Harbaugh. I want to hear from Steve Bisciotti and Dick Cass.
That was not impressive. ESPN's Tom Jackson is saying everything that I have been saying/thinking all day, so it's nice to hear from someone like him.
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Yes, and then it goes on to list some example extenuating circumstances; pregnant, use a weapon, wail on her repeatedly and choking. What's the aggravating condition here? Being in an elevator?
I hope this makes sense - You're technically wrong but I know what you mean. The letter doesn't limit Goodell's authority on a longer suspension at all. It's just a set of guidelines. But again, like you said, Goodell completely tossed aside his own words when dropping the indefinite suspension. He didn't care.
It makes perfect sense. I get that it doesn't limit Goodell's options, but rather expand them. However, you need to have something to hang your hat on. If you're going to invoke something so vague and non-specific, you need to justify it each and every time.
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Apparently TMZ has proof the NFL had the video and will be releasing it tomorrow.
If true, prepare for the Internet to blow up. If you thought Sterling was exciting, you're about to see some shit.
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Apparently TMZ has proof the NFL had the video and will be releasing it tomorrow.
If true, prepare for the Internet to blow up. If you thought Sterling was exciting, you're about to see some shit.
I can't wait to see their proof. I will not be happy if the Ravens had the video this whole time!
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In my opinion, that is actually fine. I disagree that people will forget about it. I think Barto is right that some team out there may have picked him up eventually. Goodell made sure that did not happen, and the fact that the union will now have to get involved is just an unfortunate but acceptable consequence.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that suspending Rice indefinitely was the right decision? Maybe I'm being naive, but if I were Goodell I wouldn't want to do something that so blatantly violates the CBA.
Yes, I think it was. And rightly or wrongly, it forces the labor arbitration process to sort this out and come up with an ultimate outcome rather than Goodell having to do it. And that's fine because Goodell is a in no-win situation. Anything short of an indefinite suspension will result in a ton or public outcry that the penality is not harsh enough. The labor arbitration process will sort it out and, ultimately, the final consequences will be what they will be.
Of course, if there truly is credible evidence that the NFL had the tape and sat on it, Goodell's motives will have been shown to be the worst, so it will all be for naught in terms of him saving any amount of face. However, with respect to coming up with the "right" outcome with respect to consequences for Rice, it will still likely be the best possible result under the circumstances.
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If this is step 1 of the Goodell ouster, I can't wait for step 3, ??? And step 4, profit.
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OK, at this point I have to ask why it matters if they had seen the video or not (aside from the bullshit denials, I suppose)? Guy gets arrested for knocking out his girlfriend. Video surfaces of them getting into the elevator, and then him dragging her knocked out ass out of it. He admits what happened (sugar coating it a bit, I assume). A settlement is reached and both The Man and the league act. Why does seeing proof of it actually matter? Everybody already knew what happened. Did anybody really think that knocking out a woman in an elevator was a tasteful thing to do before seeing it happen?
On a different note, before any of this broke this morning I thought to myself that TMZ might be the single most detrimental thing to America and society in general. Then they promptly go and demonstrate it. Frankly, everything that's happening now is being driven by TMZ and we're seeing an increase in this sort of shit happening. What happens when they successfully fuck up a presidential election? I'd consider it better than even money that it happens at the next opportunity. TMZ gets to drive corporate policy in a big way. I'd be amazed if it hadn't interfered in judicial affairs already. Political matters are exactly what it would thrive on.
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Yes, I think it was. And rightly or wrongly, it forces the labor arbitration process to sort this out and come up with an ultimate outcome rather than Goodell having to do it.
So what I think you're trying to say is that, if Rice must be allowed to play, let the NFLPA and the arbitrator eat the backlash?
And that's fine because Goodell is a in no-win situation. Anything short of an indefinite suspension will result in a ton or public outcry that the penality is not harsh enough. The labor arbitration process will sort it out and, ultimately, the final consequences will be what they will be.
If the arbitrator rules in favor of a Rice suspension, you could open a bad Pandoras box. The NFLPA could start appealing, say, drug suspensions and then go the arbitrator and say "the CBA lays out these penalties for drug use, but prior arbitration shows that these words don't actually mean anything." A big part of why meaningful law matters is that it prevents time and money from being wasted arguing about it. It prevents instability.
Of course, if there truly is credible evidence that the NFL had the tape and sat on it, Goodell's motives will have been shown to be the worst, so it will all be for naught in terms of him saving any amount of face. However, with respect to coming up with the "right" outcome with respect to consequences for Rice, it will still likely be the best possible result under the circumstances.
The best possible result is for Rice not to play, but I don't see how the NFL gets there without doing something illegal.
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OK, at this point I have to ask why it matters if they had seen the video or not (aside from the bullshit denials, I suppose)?
The denials are the biggest part. It would be proof that Goodell is corrupt and a liar.
Guy gets arrested for knocking out his girlfriend. Video surfaces of them getting into the elevator, and then him dragging her knocked out ass out of it. He admits what happened (sugar coating it a bit, I assume). A settlement is reached and both The Man and the league act. Why does seeing proof of it actually matter? Everybody already knew what happened. Did anybody really think that knocking out a woman in an elevator was a tasteful thing to do before seeing it happen?
Not everybody knew what happened. Apparently, Rice sugar coated his description pretty substantially, and his wife testified while he was in the room (which means she would give bullshit testimony so she wouldn't be beaten again).
The conspiracy theory is - the league knew how bad the incident was, and covered it up on purpose to get Rice back on the field quickly. This theory might actually be true.
On a different note, before any of this broke this morning I thought to myself that TMZ might be the single most detrimental thing to America and society in general. Then they promptly go and demonstrate it. Frankly, everything that's happening now is being driven by TMZ and we're seeing an increase in this sort of shit happening. What happens when they successfully fuck up a presidential election? I'd consider it better than even money that it happens at the next opportunity. TMZ gets to drive corporate policy in a big way. I'd be amazed if it hadn't interfered in judicial affairs already. Political matters are exactly what it would thrive on.
You mean, hypothetically, TMZ might catch a US president being racist or beating his wife before he gets elected? Sounds like a public service to me.
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OK, at this point I have to ask why it matters if they had seen the video or not (aside from the bullshit denials, I suppose)?
The denials are the biggest part. It would be proof that Goodell is corrupt and a liar.
Guy gets arrested for knocking out his girlfriend. Video surfaces of them getting into the elevator, and then him dragging her knocked out ass out of it. He admits what happened (sugar coating it a bit, I assume). A settlement is reached and both The Man and the league act. Why does seeing proof of it actually matter? Everybody already knew what happened. Did anybody really think that knocking out a woman in an elevator was a tasteful thing to do before seeing it happen?
Not everybody knew what happened. Apparently, Rice sugar coated his description pretty substantially, and his wife testified while he was in the room (which means she would give bullshit testimony so she wouldn't be beaten again).
The conspiracy theory is - the league knew how bad the incident was, and covered it up on purpose to get Rice back on the field quickly. This theory might actually be true.
On a different note, before any of this broke this morning I thought to myself that TMZ might be the single most detrimental thing to America and society in general. Then they promptly go and demonstrate it. Frankly, everything that's happening now is being driven by TMZ and we're seeing an increase in this sort of shit happening. What happens when they successfully fuck up a presidential election? I'd consider it better than even money that it happens at the next opportunity. TMZ gets to drive corporate policy in a big way. I'd be amazed if it hadn't interfered in judicial affairs already. Political matters are exactly what it would thrive on.
You mean, hypothetically, TMZ might catch a US president being racist or beating his wife before he gets elected? Sounds like a public service to me.
The denials would matter, but not that much to me, honestly. My concern was how they dealt with the situation as it happened. Lying about it months later for CYA purposes never really bugs me all that much.
And anybody who didn't know the severity of it is living in la-la land. Again, dude, everybody saw him drag her unconscious body from an elevator. "Well, I had no idea it was as ugly as it was!" Yeah, whatever.
As for TMZ, it's only a public service if they release something as soon as they got it. They apparently had this video a while and waited until the first Monday of the season to steal headlines. Now they claim to have proof that Goodell had the footage before, but they're not releasing it until after giving him enough rope to hang himself. They're not bringing light to the system. They're manipulating it quite deftly. You honestly think they wouldn't time the release of politically significant information in a similarly systematic manner?
Also, as they demonstrated a while back, they don't exactly give a shit about fairness, either, nor do Americans use much discretion in how they throw around labels like racist or anti-gay; both of which will destroy a public figure. You want to see a potentially good candidate get sunk because they release some 8 year old phone recording of him saying something slightly dubious?
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As for TMZ, it's only a public service if they release something as soon as they got it. They apparently had this video a while and waited until the first Monday of the season to steal headlines. Now they claim to have proof that Goodell had the footage before, but they're not releasing it until after giving him enough rope to hang himself. They're not bringing light to the system. They're manipulating it quite deftly. You honestly think they wouldn't time the release of politically significant information in a similarly systematic manner?
Also, as they demonstrated a while back, they don't exactly give a shit about fairness, either, nor do Americans use much discretion in how they throw around labels like racist or anti-gay; both of which will destroy a public figure. You want to see a potentially good candidate get sunk because they release some 8 year old phone recording of him saying something slightly dubious?
Both points are fair.
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I don't know, I didn't see anything in the video that I hadn't already read about.
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Bart's dead on about TMZ holding out for the right moment. They know what they are doing.
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Agreed 100% on the whole TMZ thing.
That doesn't excuse any wrong-doing on anyone's side...so what happens next? I'm reminded of when Michael Vick went to prison for animal abuse, and how the Eagles came under such scrutiny for signing him after he got out of prison.
So what happens with Rice? Certainly beating your wife is a more despicable offense than beating animals (well...that's certainly debatable if you're like me and you love animals much more than most humans :P) But I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first time he's hit her. Forget about his NFL career for a moment- this asshole should be doing jail time. After he serves his sentence, then perhaps the NFL could consider him "redeemed" and allow him to play- that is if any team would be willing to take him on (but it's a pretty safe bet that some team WOULD be willing to take him on).
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And for regularly scheduled NFL chat:
Eagles: God damn I was sweating that game for the whole first half- Foles can be really great and he can be really shaky and it seems to be a crap shoot which one we're going to get. Thankfully once everyone got into a "groove" it turned around. But I really worry...if they hadn't been playing the notoriously bad Jaguars, they might not have gotten away with that.
Thankfully, even if the Eagles are mediocre at best this season, the rest of the NFC East appears to be even worse, which is good news.
:lol at the Cowboys and how they're already completely deflated as if it was like week 12 already. Fuck I hate the Cowboys and they're so laughably bad it's spectacular. Tony Romo is one of my favorite QBs for the simple reason that he makes the Cowboys so much worse.
:lol at the Giants for pretty much the same reason.
And :lol at the Redskins just because.
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To me this is another example of the sketchiness of the NFL and pro sports in general. The tape didn't reveal any new information, at least not that I'm aware. This makes me think that the Ravens cutting Rice was purely a PR move and they couldn't care less about what he actually did.
Ding ding ding.
Kev, can you please stay on topic? If you want to talk about that other stuff, that's fine, but don't do it in the Ray Rice thread.
Ray Rice? According to the Thread Title, we should be talking about the Saints :\
Green. It was implied.
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Oh thank god let's talk Eagles.
Eagles: God damn I was sweating that game for the whole first half- Foles can be really great and he can be really shaky and it seems to be a crap shoot which one we're going to get. Thankfully once everyone got into a "groove" it turned around. But I really worry...if they hadn't been playing the notoriously bad Jaguars, they might not have gotten away with that.
Foles was really scary that game. Even during the second half, his balls never quite had the right zip to them. He showed what he can do last year, so I think he can turn it around, but this was not an encouraging first game.
Thankfully, even if the Eagles are mediocre at best this season, the rest of the NFC East appears to be even worse, which is good news.
It's insane. Each one of those teams is fundamentally broken in some way.
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Chris Berman and Trent Dilfer doing the late game...Lord, give me the strength. :facepalm: :facepalm: :censored
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Chris Berman and Trent Dilfer doing the late game...Lord, give me the strength. :facepalm: :facepalm: :censored
Please everyone let's pray for Kev. He's going through some tough times right now.
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LOL, but seriously, who does Berman have dirty info on at ESPN? He is so awful on every level now.
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You're just an old curmudgeon. I like Boomer...
I guess it's just a nostalgia thing for me... :angel:
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If TMZ actually has proof the league had the video before hand....fuck that actually makes me sick. Fuck Goodell and his shitting fucking job.
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:rollin at Neon's pic.
Also, fuck Berman being called Boomer. Nobody outside of ESPN calls him that. Boomer Esiason is the only Boomer.
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:rollin at Neon's pic.
Also, fuck Berman being called Boomer. Nobody outside of ESPN calls him that. Boomer Esiason is the only Boomer.
To be fair, it's not mine...I'm part of an NFL smack talk group on facebook and someone there posted it.
And I've always felt the same way about the whole "Boomer" thing.
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Berman isn't the worst part of that announcing tandem. I can tolerate Berman in small doses. I just flip the channel periodically to cleanse my ears.
Seriously, I can't remember a duo where I really liked both. Sommerall (good) had Madden ( ::)); Anyone (good) had Dierdorf ( ::)); Lundquist (good) had anyone; Simms (good) had to listen to Gumbel ( ::))
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Simms is an overconfident, often-wrong hillbilly. He speaks with this tone of 110% certainty on so many issues where he's only voicing an opinion or flat out incorrect.
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Nice comeback from AZ, but they should have been eating clock this entire drive. They were clearly trying to save clock and now SD had two and a half minutes.
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Nice comeback from AZ, but they should have been eating clock this entire drive. They were clearly trying to save clock and now SD had two and a half minutes.
Eh, I almost always disagree with that line of thinking. When you are trailing, especially when you are in a game that didn't have a lot of scoring, you score when you can. You don't dunce around and run a few throwaway runs to kill clock, because what if you waste those downs and end up not scoring and losing? All to waste time on a drive that didn't end in a score. Nope, you score when you can.
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If Larry Fitzgerald was catching passes from someone like Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, he'd be one of the best receivers in the league. He SHOULD be one of the best receivers. His reach is just crazy.
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his balls never quite had the right zip to them.
He should visit this thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37398.msg1589215#msg1589215).
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If Larry Fitzgerald was catching passes from someone like Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, he'd be one of the best receivers in the league. He SHOULD be one of the best receivers. His reach is just crazy.
Would make me a lot happier that he was on my Fantasy team :sadpanda:
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Just because Fitzgerald doesn't have the quality of QB that other top flight WR's have doesn't make him any less of a receiver. That's damn fantasy football thinking. He would be just as good on other teams, but the quality around him would change his production.
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Just because Fitzgerald doesn't have the quality of QB that other top flight WR's have doesn't make him any less of a receiver. That's damn fantasy football thinking. He would be just as good on other teams, but the quality around him would change his production.
Agreed. Enter Exhibit A - Megatron. Exhibit B - AJ Green.
There's lots of exceptional WRs still being exceptional despite having an average QB throwing to them.
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In this day and age of inflated passing numbers, Fitzgerald is someone who is always better than the stats he puts up. Granted, you expect more than one catch out of him, but the Cardinals have a lot of young talent at WR now, so there is no need to force feed Fitz the ball. He'll get his over the course of the season (although "his" won't be stud numbers for fantasy ball).
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Nice comeback from AZ, but they should have been eating clock this entire drive. They were clearly trying to save clock and now SD had two and a half minutes.
Eh, I almost always disagree with that line of thinking. When you are trailing, especially when you are in a game that didn't have a lot of scoring, you score when you can. You don't dunce around and run a few throwaway runs to kill clock, because what if you waste those downs and end up not scoring and losing? All to waste time on a drive that didn't end in a score. Nope, you score when you can.
I wasn't thinking about that level of clock killing. I'm just thinking stay in bounds each play, where they were clearly trying every play to get of bounds to stop the clock. They went from 6 minutes to two and a half, and that easily could have been one and a half if they'd played normally without trying to rush the clock. The outcome was the same, but I was annoyed that their coach had clearly directed them all to save the clock.
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I think that moronic play call on the first 2-point try was way more egregious. A direct snap to the RB and your QB isn't even on the field? That's awful. Losing 20-18 would have been poetic justice for that nonsense.
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Every sports league should institute a "no-tolerance" policy on criminal behavior on and off the field. It needs to get cleaned up. Of course due process would have to be involved, but any conviction should result in a lifetime ban. There are plenty of players who behave like decent citizens sitting on the benches waiting to replace the thugs.
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Wow... His wife is a moron.
(https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2038450/thumbs/o-JANAY-RICE-570.jpg?6)
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His wife is a moron.
Yeah, some of the grammar mistakes in there really don't make her look very smart.
What exactly is "a horrific"?
:biggrin:
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If real love is smashing your lover's head into the wall, dragging her out of an elevator, dropping her face into the floor as you tell the security guard she's drunk, and then somehow manage to get her to not press charges (NFL paychecks and endorsements on the reg), then I have no idea why my girlfriend stays with me.
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I'm too busy being horrified by the level of battered wife syndrome I'm seeing here to nitpick her grammar, frankly.
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I'm too busy being horrified by the level of battered wife syndrome I'm seeing here to nitpick her grammar, frankly.
Essentially this.
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Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
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Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
I agree. Whatever his faults may be, nothing is different now than two days ago, except that he got cut, suspended, and probably will never play again, meaning unemployment and even more chaos into her life.
But let's do the right thing and help her.
*shrugs*
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I can see it now: they'll be divorced within two years and will be blaming it on the media for never letting them get past it.
Granted, the media does go crazy with stuff like this - did ESPN really need to move their ESPN2 shows to ESPN News yesterday so they could have Sportscenter on two channels where the Rice story was talked about it non-stop - but I think we all knew it was inevitable that the video would eventually be seen by everyone. Nowadays, everything gets out there eventually. That is why, if the NFL and the Ravens are lying about having not seen the tape prior to yesterday, they are morons. Like Jim Rome often says, the cover-up is worse than the crime.
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Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
You know, I hate to say it, but if you date a celebrity, you knowingly accept the risk of something like this happening. I hate when websites or networks obviously milk or release stuff for the sake of publicity and ratings, but I have no problem with something like this. As far as I am concerned, this man is a danger to society, his wife, and any children they may have in the future. It's not like footage from their home security system was stolen and sold. This happened in a public space. As far as I am concerned, the people who had possession of the tape initially should have been legally (and morally) obligated to bring this to light.
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I'm too busy being horrified by the level of battered wife syndrome I'm seeing here to nitpick her grammar, frankly.
Ayup.
Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
I would hardly call marrying Mr. Rice AFTER getting cold-cocked by him an attempt to "move on". She clearly does know herself, and has a diminished sense of self-respect to stay with a person who would/could do something like this.
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Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
I would hardly call marrying Mr. Rice AFTER getting cold-cocked by him an attempt to "move on". She clearly does know herself, and has a diminished sense of self-respect to stay with a person who would/could do something like this.
You might be right, and you might be stunningly off base. Unless you know these people I don't really see yours (or anybody else's) opinions carrying much weight. All I know is that at this point it's her decision to make. However, that sort of misses the point. Regardless of why she remains with him, does this help her? I don't see how this isn't going to be financially devastating and that'll play a huge part in however their situation plays out.
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Can this guy still play football in other countries?
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Despite the fact that the entire world seems to know her better than she knows herself, the fact remains that she's trying to move on and some of her points are perfectly valid, if poorly expressed.
I would hardly call marrying Mr. Rice AFTER getting cold-cocked by him an attempt to "move on". She clearly does know herself, and has a diminished sense of self-respect to stay with a person who would/could do something like this.
You might be right, and you might be stunningly off base. Unless you know these people I don't really see yours (or anybody else's) opinions carrying much weight. All I know is that at this point it's her decision to make. However, that sort of misses the point. Regardless of why she remains with him, does this help her? I don't see how this isn't going to be financially devastating and that'll play a huge part in however their situation plays out.
She did make her choice by not pressing charges. She should have no say in what the NFL does though. The only problem with the NFL is not doing this immediately and accepting the backlash of the 2 game penalty. I was always thinking that whatever happened in the elevator could not have been as bad as it seemed since the penalty was so light. Well the NFL can claim they just saw the video for the first time, but I dont believe that and I think the NFL dropped the ball big time in the first place. Id like to see Goodell say something along the lines of admitting the NFL screwed this up and thier quick action yesterday is what should have been done in the first place.... and that is all regardless of what the new wife thinks. I can agree that she is upset that its now a big story again when she is trying to move on... I totally get that... but given the circumstances, its too big for the media and fans to let go and not care about and in a way its become personal when you actually see what happened. Pretty sick stuff.
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Can this guy still play football in other countries?
I don't think so. When you are under contract and suspended, you are not allowed to play elsewhere. There was talk about Josh Gordon playing in the CFL once his one-year suspension was upheld, but that was quickly squashed. I am pretty sure it is part of the CBA.
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Can this guy still play football in other countries?
I don't think so. When you are under contract and suspended, you are not allowed to play elsewhere. There was talk about Josh Gordon playing in the CFL once his one-year suspension was upheld, but that was quickly squashed. I am pretty sure it is part of the CBA.
He isnt under contract, he was terminated by the Ravens. I think he can play somewhere else, although why? He would be better off taking his money and finding something worthy to invest in and starting a new career with it. I cant see him in the NFL again.
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Can this guy still play football in other countries?
I don't think so. When you are under contract and suspended, you are not allowed to play elsewhere. There was talk about Josh Gordon playing in the CFL once his one-year suspension was upheld, but that was quickly squashed. I am pretty sure it is part of the CBA.
He isnt under contract, he was terminated by the Ravens. I think he can play somewhere else, although why? He would be better off taking his money and finding something worthy to invest in and starting a new career with it. I cant see him in the NFL again.
Why not do both? Doesn't cost you anything to play in the CFL. But I agree that there's no reason why he couldn't play elsewhere. The league has no hold over him right now.
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Whats the risk/reward for him to play somewhere else? None of the other football leagues pay money worthy of getting injured with no possibility of going to the NFL. The guy is a millionaire. I guess if football was something he really loved and wanted to play competitively regardless of making money, then sure go play in the CFL. If they said he could come back to the NFL at some point, then I could see him doing that to stay in football shape... but lets also not forget, he was terrible last year. I think his career was coming close to an end anyway.
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I don't see how any CFL team would think it's a good idea to sign him now. Taking a chance on Ricky Williams back in '06 was way different than this.
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CFL already announced he can't play.
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A sane view of the situation:
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11488363/jason-whitlock-latest-ray-rice-developments
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ARENA LEAGUE! !!! :angel:
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If I were an NFL owner, I'd be trying to organize Goodell's firing or forced resignation.
He's shown, over and over, that he handles major decisions incompetently. When he started handling player discipline, he was criticized for sentencing that was either overly harsh or comically lax. When he dealt with the bounty scandal, he imposed harsh sanctions that weren't sufficiently backed up by evidence. Now, when dealing with something as simple and volatile as a domestic violence incident, he delivered a comically lenient sentencing and tried to make the evidence of Rice's crimes go away.
Even worse, as the above examples show, his decision making gets worse as the stakes get higher. At some point, the blowback from the NFL's poor handling of concussions will manifest. It will require an untold amount of grace, intelligent decision making, and resilience from Goodell to guide the league through that situation. He has shown that he posseses none of those characteristics. Goodell will find a way to make the obvious wrong decision. He'll find a way to take a volatile situation and make it explode. He'll cave and do something thoughtlessly at the worst possible time.
In the early 1900's, Teddy Roosevelt suggested banning the playing of Football. In the future, the game will face far greater and more publicized concerns about its future. And Goodell will be the one in charge of navigating that minefield.
The future of Football is at stake. Goodell must resign or be fired.
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Football generates far too much revenue to be at stake.
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A sane view of the situation:
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11488363/jason-whitlock-latest-ray-rice-developments
excellent article.
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If I were an NFL owner, I'd be trying to organize Goodell's firing or forced resignation.
You're a bit off ReaP. He is "Their" guy.
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2014/09/09/robert-kraft-says-roger-goodell-had-no-knowledge-of-ray-rice-video/
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A sane view of the situation:
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11488363/jason-whitlock-latest-ray-rice-developments
excellent article.
Agreed.
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If I were an NFL owner, I'd be trying to organize Goodell's firing or forced resignation.
He's shown, over and over, that he handles major decisions incompetently. When he started handling player discipline, he was criticized for sentencing that was either overly harsh or comically lax. When he dealt with the bounty scandal, he imposed harsh sanctions that weren't sufficiently backed up by evidence. Now, when dealing with something as simple and volatile as a domestic violence incident, he delivered a comically lenient sentencing and tried to make the evidence of Rice's crimes go away.
Even worse, as the above examples show, his decision making gets worse as the stakes get higher. At some point, the blowback from the NFL's poor handling of concussions will manifest. It will require an untold amount of grace, intelligent decision making, and resilience from Goodell to guide the league through that situation. He has shown that he posseses none of those characteristics. Goodell will find a way to make the obvious wrong decision. He'll find a way to take a volatile situation and make it explode. He'll cave and do something thoughtlessly at the worst possible time.
In the early 1900's, Teddy Roosevelt suggested banning the playing of Football. In the future, the game will face far greater and more publicized concerns about its future. And Goodell will be the one in charge of navigating that minefield.
The future of Football is at stake. Goodell must resign or be fired.
Given the nature of football and American society at the moment, do you really think anybody could do a better job at this point? I really think we're seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to public backlash against a single player (or owner) and these sorts of things are going to continually plague the NFL (and other leagues, and businesses, and politics). Trying to run anything when it's so subject to the fickle whims and half-assed perceptions of The Mob is rapidly becoming a fool's errand.
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You're a bit off ReaP. He is "Their" guy.
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2014/09/09/robert-kraft-says-roger-goodell-had-no-knowledge-of-ray-rice-video/
Wow. These people are blind.
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NFL Announces New Zero-Tolerance Policy On Videotaped Domestic Violence
Sports News in Brief • Sports • News • ISSUE 50•36 • Sep 9, 2014
NEW YORK—Following public outcry over his mishandling of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice’s aggravated assault of his then-fiancée, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday that the league has adopted a new zero-tolerance policy toward all videotaped domestic abuse. “We hold our players to the highest standards both as professional athletes and as people, so any violence toward women that is recorded, authenticated, and then publicly distributed will be met with an automatic suspension and fine,” said Goodell, adding that the new, stricter guidelines reflect the league’s hard-line stance against any spousal abuse that is clearly and irrefutably captured on film. “I can assure you that any member of this league who strikes a woman in front of a live camera will face swift and heavy consequences. I also want to stress that this utterly reprehensible behavior is something we will in no way tolerate as long as the footage is completely uninterrupted and the entirety of the assault takes place within frame.” Goodell went on to clarify that in such cases, the NFL will cooperate fully with local authorities as soon as the league can no longer prevent incriminating evidence from being leaked to the media.
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That's a parody article, right?
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The NFL (see: the owners) makes more money now that they ever have and their popularity is at an all-time high. Why would the owners want to fire the commissioner whose watch that has all happen under?
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The NFL (see: the owners) makes more money now that they ever have and their popularity is at an all-time high. Why would the owners want to fire the commissioner whose watch that has all happen under?
I'm with Reap on this one. I guess it'll come down to if they start losing sponsorships. Goodell could become a flashpoint, if he's not already. People could start backing away from the sport.
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That's a parody article, right?
God I hope so.
"We'll tolerate anything that isn't videotaped, but if it's recorded, we have zero tolerance".
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It's from The Onion.
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The NFL (see: the owners) makes more money now that they ever have and their popularity is at an all-time high. Why would the owners want to fire the commissioner whose watch that has all happen under?
I'm with Reap on this one. I guess it'll come down to if they start losing sponsorships. Goodell could become a flashpoint, if he's not already. People could start backing away from the sport.
Until someone breaks their neck and dies on the field, the fans aren't going to think anything negative about the sport.
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Until someone breaks their neck and dies on the field, the fans aren't going to think anything negative about the sport.
Already happened once. Will happen again.
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Just because Fitzgerald doesn't have the quality of QB that other top flight WR's have doesn't make him any less of a receiver. That's damn fantasy football thinking. He would be just as good on other teams, but the quality around him would change his production.
Oh don't think that I don't think he isn't a good receiver. He's great! He probably has the best reach and one of the best hands in the league. I guess I was just trying to say is that he hasn't made much production because of Arizona's offense and the quality of QBs that have come through that team since after Kurt Warner retired, and he has been overlooked. Carson Palmer isn't the same as he once was when he was throwing to Chad Johnson. Fitzgerald is that face of that team, the leader, and needs help to win games.
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If Fitzgerald had Manning throwing to him, who knows what he'd do.
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Bills sold for 1.4 billion.
Holy fuck.
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Yes, I think it was. And rightly or wrongly, it forces the labor arbitration process to sort this out and come up with an ultimate outcome rather than Goodell having to do it.
So what I think you're trying to say is that, if Rice must be allowed to play, let the NFLPA and the arbitrator eat the backlash?
From a pragmatic standpoint, that is the best possible outcome for Goodell. But it also would probably at least somewhat reduce the backlash because (1) enough time will pass while the process plays out that some people will lose interest, and (2) at least some reasonable minds will be satisfied with the fact that the legal process played out and came to a result rather than the result being driven solely by league or the team.
And that's fine because Goodell is a in no-win situation. Anything short of an indefinite suspension will result in a ton or public outcry that the penality is not harsh enough. The labor arbitration process will sort it out and, ultimately, the final consequences will be what they will be.
If the arbitrator rules in favor of a Rice suspension, you could open a bad Pandoras box. The NFLPA could start appealing, say, drug suspensions and then go the arbitrator and say "the CBA lays out these penalties for drug use, but prior arbitration shows that these words don't actually mean anything." A big part of why meaningful law matters is that it prevents time and money from being wasted arguing about it. It prevents instability.
Not likely, The rule on domestic abuse, as I understand it, is very fluid. It is not a bright line 2 game suspension. It was a recommended 2 game minimum, as I understand it, with discretion for a more severe penalty. So anything from 2 games to indefinite suspension was on the table. I believe the drug policy suspension rules are more lock-step. I do not see the problem.
And for better or for worse, "meaningful law" does NOT have the goal of wasting time or money getting to a result. The legal process, including the legislative aspect of it that makes the laws in the first place, creates an inherently time-consuming (and, by extension, money consuming) process with the end goal of getting a just result. Consumption of time and money is a built-in consequence.
Of course, if there truly is credible evidence that the NFL had the tape and sat on it, Goodell's motives will have been shown to be the worst, so it will all be for naught in terms of him saving any amount of face. However, with respect to coming up with the "right" outcome with respect to consequences for Rice, it will still likely be the best possible result under the circumstances.
The best possible result is for Rice not to play, but I don't see how the NFL gets there without doing something illegal.
??? Why is that? Suspending him indefinitely is well within the rules, and if it were to go to arbitraiton and an arbitrator upheld that, there is nothing illegal about that situation either. What are you talking about?
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Wait, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Unless I understand properly, the commissioner can't extend a player's suspension. He can only decrease it. In this case, it seems like he's taking Rice's previous suspension and extending it to an indefinite one, which violates the CBA. Am I missing something?
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Bills sold for 1.4 billion.
Holy fuck.
Damn it, he's going to keep them there. L.A. has (had?) plans for two brand new stadiums and no one wants to move here. :censored
On a lighter note, Seahawks will go undefeated. Calling it now.
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Good news, it would kill me to see them moved to LA(gag) of all places
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Wait, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Unless I understand properly, the commissioner can't extend a player's suspension. He can only decrease it. In this case, it seems like he's taking Rice's previous suspension and extending it to an indefinite one, which violates the CBA. Am I missing something?
I'm not sure how the new rules on domestic violence fit into the CBA. However, I don't think it matters. I think he's just trying desperately to keep his head above water under rather bizarre and irrational circumstances. And from a practical standpoint Bosk is exactly right. Hell, sentence he to lethal execution. Levy the harshest sanctions you need to save face and let the lawyers and arbitrators sort it out and take all of the flack for whatever fallout there is.
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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Steve-Bisciottis-Letter-To-Ravens-Fans/ca17b5f3-674f-4fbe-ac4c-d47927eb04ba
Happy that Mr. Bisciotti has addressed this situation. I cannot blame the Ravens for what they did, firstly giving Mr. Rice the benefit of the doubt for as long as they could, then by releasing him promptly after seeing the true severity of the crime. Mr. Rice was one of my all time favorite Ravens, but this goes far beyond football.
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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Steve-Bisciottis-Letter-To-Ravens-Fans/ca17b5f3-674f-4fbe-ac4c-d47927eb04ba
Happy that Mr. Bisciotti has addressed this situation. I cannot blame the Ravens for what they did, firstly giving Mr. Rice the benefit of the doubt for as long as they could, then by releasing him promptly after seeing the true severity of the crime. Mr. Rice was one of my all time favorite Ravens, but this goes far beyond football.
Huh. I admit that I went into that article skeptical about finding anything that would remotely ring sincere or true, and expecting to find backpedaling. Whether Bisciotti is sincere or is merely spinning this to cover his backside, I do not know. But that letter is a very satisfying read that comes across as very genuine and sincere, and I cannot think of a single additional thing he should have said as an owner.
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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Steve-Bisciottis-Letter-To-Ravens-Fans/ca17b5f3-674f-4fbe-ac4c-d47927eb04ba
Happy that Mr. Bisciotti has addressed this situation. I cannot blame the Ravens for what they did, firstly giving Mr. Rice the benefit of the doubt for as long as they could, then by releasing him promptly after seeing the true severity of the crime. Mr. Rice was one of my all time favorite Ravens, but this goes far beyond football.
Huh. I admit that I went into that article skeptical about finding anything that would remotely ring sincere or true, and expecting to find backpedaling. Whether Bisciotti is sincere or is merely spinning this to cover his backside, I do not know. But that letter is a very satisfying read that comes across as very genuine and sincere, and I cannot think of a single additional thing he should have said as an owner.
That's the impression that I get. By my estimation, he has been a fantastic owner. And while the Ravens do have a share of the blame in this situation, it seems that they didn't do anything wrong intentionally.
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There is one thing I keep coming back to in this situation. And unfortunately, before I get to it, it is necessary for me to offer a disclaimer: I do not in any way, shape, or form condone what Rice did, or violence against women in any context.
That being said, why is it the Ravens' responsibility to have taken action in the first place?
Steve Young made the argument with respect to the Ray McDonald situation that "any employer" would have sent him home (with pay if necessary) while it was being sorted out, and that as an employer, you do NOT keep the person in the workplace while "due process" is carried out. He is mistaken. I know what employers do when employees are accused of crimes because that relates directly to what I do for a living. Unless the alleged crime makes the employee a threat in the workplace, the vast majority of employers in this country would NOT send an employee home for an arrest for off-duty conduct. They just wouldn't. It isn't done. Yet a lot of people seem to be beating that drum, and I am not sure where that comes from.
I see making a distinction for professional athletes in this country because they are, in effect, celebrities that are the public face of the team/league. What they do off duty reflects on the team. So I can see the team wanting to take ownership and be proactive and take a stance. But although it is beneficial for a team to do so, and although I admit to picking up my torch and pitchfork along with the mob when news of the video first broke, after further reflection, I don't really think the team (or the league, for that matter) really has a duty here. I dunno. Maybe I am missing something. And if I am, somebody please bring me back down to earth. But I just don't see where the rule comes from that the team necessarily needed to take its own action and conduct an independent investigation. I am glad they wish they did. But I am not seeing where they needed to.
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There is one thing I keep coming back to in this situation. And unfortunately, before I get to it, it is necessary for me to offer a disclaimer: I do not in any way, shape, or form condone what Rice did, or violence against women in any context.
That being said, why is it the Ravens' responsibility to have taken action in the first place?
Steve Young made the argument with respect to the Ray McDonald situation that "any employer" would have sent him home (with pay if necessary) while it was being sorted out, and that as an employer, you do NOT keep the person in the workplace while "due process" is carried out. He is mistaken. I know what employers do when employees are accused of crimes because that relates directly to what I do for a living. Unless the alleged crime makes the employee a threat in the workplace, the vast majority of employers in this country would NOT send an employee home for an arrest for off-duty conduct. They just wouldn't. It isn't done. Yet a lot of people seem to be beating that drum, and I am not sure where that comes from.
I see making a distinction for professional athletes in this country because they are, in effect, celebrities that are the public face of the team/league. What they do off duty reflects on the team. So I can see the team wanting to take ownership and be proactive and take a stance. But although it is beneficial for a team to do so, and although I admit to picking up my torch and pitchfork along with the mob when news of the video first broke, after further reflection, I don't really think the team (or the league, for that matter) really has a duty here. I dunno. Maybe I am missing something. And if I am, somebody please bring me back down to earth. But I just don't see where the rule comes from that the team necessarily needed to take its own action and conduct an independent investigation. I am glad they wish they did. But I am not seeing where they needed to.
Well put, and agreed that unless there are special circumstances, an employer wouldn't normally send an employee home during "due process".
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There is one thing I keep coming back to in this situation. And unfortunately, before I get to it, it is necessary for me to offer a disclaimer: I do not in any way, shape, or form condone what Rice did, or violence against women in any context.
That being said, why is it the Ravens' responsibility to have taken action in the first place?
It's two things:
1. Society is starting to realize that, in a world where perception is everything, that it can enforce morality by creating a PR crisis for entities it doesn't like. In another recent example, when the various nude celebrity photos leaked, enough activists spoke out against their release that it became suicide for any media outlet to link to them. Society is also deciding that this behavior is moral. As Ray Rice's indefinite suspension proves, society has the power to act on this decision.
2. Sports exist for the psychological benefit of fans. If watching sports makes you feel worse than not watching sports, you won't watch sports. Not taking action against Rice would have risked crossing that line.
These are both more practical arguments, I guess. Personally, I loathe how powerful people look down on normal people and believe they can write their own moral rules. To me, the NFL and Ray Rice should have to live up to the same standard of morality that most people do, even if it takes "mob rule" to make it happen. But that's a hard viewpoint to really objectively prove.
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For better or worse, its hard to compare professional athletes work to a non athlete's work. The rest of us get the privacy of our lives and the athletes do not get that. It ends up leading to things like Ray Rice getting fired whereas maybe one of us would not have. Kind of the nature of the beast, but while it may not seem right to get fired when the courts already did their action, these guys make millions of dollars and I think that is fair compensation.
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The Ravens could probably see him as too much of a liability. If he did that to his wife, who's to say he wouldn't do physical harm to another member of the team? What happens if next time he shatters his wife's skull and leaves her brain dead or worse? What if he lands himself in jail and then your team is down a player? There are a million reasons why the Ravens should be concerned and not want this guy on the team.
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Personally, I loathe how powerful people look down on normal people and believe they can write their own moral rules. To me, the NFL and Ray Rice should have to live up to the same standard of morality that most people do, even if it takes "mob rule" to make it happen.
Yes, but I think bosky's point is that under the rules normal people live by, he wouldn't lose his job.
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Professional football players dont live under the same rules as the everyday person regardless of committing a crime.
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Personally, I loathe how powerful people look down on normal people and believe they can write their own moral rules. To me, the NFL and Ray Rice should have to live up to the same standard of morality that most people do, even if it takes "mob rule" to make it happen.
Yes, but I think bosky's point is that under the rules normal people live by, he wouldn't lose his job.
Under the rules normal people live by, he'd be facing jail time.
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Personally, I loathe how powerful people look down on normal people and believe they can write their own moral rules. To me, the NFL and Ray Rice should have to live up to the same standard of morality that most people do, even if it takes "mob rule" to make it happen.
Yes, but I think bosky's point is that under the rules normal people live by, he wouldn't lose his job.
Under the rules normal people live by, he'd be facing jail time.
Uh, he was. He copped a plea down to a misdemeanor and was shown some leniency. And [possibly] unlike the league, Johnny had the video to go by.
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Uh, he was. He copped a plea down to a misdemeanor and was shown some leniency. And [possibly] unlike the league, Johnny had the video to go by.
I'm not sure he gets that opportunity if he isn't a famous and wealthy professional athlete.
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Yeah Reap, we live in a world of Greed, Politics and Power. Morality doesn't factor into that equation, AT ALL! That will never change unless the masses take a stand and do something about it. But, that'll never happen because the majority are too content and satisfied with all their little implements and distractions. Throw em a bone and they'll go lay next to their dish and chew on it.
BTW, I heard Ray Rice is changing his name to Hugh Janus. :neverusethis:
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Yeah Reap, we live in a world of Greed, Politics and Power. Morality doesn't factor into that equation, AT ALL! That will never change unless the masses take a stand and do something about it. But, that'll never happen because the majority are too content and satisfied with all their little implements and distractions. Throw em a bone and they'll go lay next to their dish and chew on it.
To me, nothing about our reality tells us any differently. But now it's a general PR thing and not a sports thing. I'm cool with not talking about Ray Rice in this thread again unless a new news story comes out. I'm not sure what else there is to say.
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Uh, he was. He copped a plea down to a misdemeanor and was shown some leniency. And [possibly] unlike the league, Johnny had the video to go by.
I'm not sure he gets that opportunity if he isn't a famous and wealthy professional athlete.
I do wonder if he got off lightly because of his celebrity status, or because the fiance didnt want to press charges. I have to think that her responses to the whole thing were what lead to such an initial small penalty.
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I am inclined to believe it was because she didn't press charges, NOT because of any celebrity status.
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https://www.tmz.com/2014/09/10/us-congress-roger-goodell-letter-ray-rice-domestic-violence-video/
Congress wants answers as to what Goodell knew
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As much as I want to know the truth about Goodell in this, I really would prefer if congress did not get involved in this matter.
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Congress really has no business getting involved.
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Congress really has no business getting involved.
I mostly agree. The one caveat is that the NFL is able to operate under special legal protections (the soon to be rescinded blackout rule and its anti-trust protection). So congress does have an interest in making sure it's not giving out those exceptions to a business that doesn't service the public interest heavily enough to deserve them.
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Congress really has no business getting involved.
I agree. I also don't think this constitutes much involvement. They sent a letter asking what the league knew, and presumably that letterhead will get a more forthcoming response. This doesn't bug me. If they decide to go further than this it certainly will, though.
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Uh oh:
AP source: Police sent Ray Rice tape to NFL in April (https://www.freep.com/article/20140910/SPORTS01/309100168/nfl-ray-rice-tape)
If true, Goodell's done.
EDIT: I read Goodell's memo on the issue. What he argues is that evidence inappropriately gathered should not be used in an NFL investigation. This doesn't matter. The NBA kicked out Sterling based on a TMZ video that was possibly illegally recorded. The precedent has been set that the means of acquiring the evidence doesn't matter. If it's out there, it should be acted on.
EDIT 2: He might keep his job for the time being because there's still room for him to weasel his way out, but his credibility will be destroyed forever.
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EDIT: I read Goodell's memo on the issue. What he argues is that evidence inappropriately gathered should not be used in an NFL investigation. This doesn't matter. The NBA kicked out Sterling based on a TMZ video that was possibly illegally recorded. The precedent has been set that the means of acquiring the evidence doesn't matter. If it's out there, it should be acted on.
Okay, BUT I would argue that society is well served by realizing that some precedent is bad precedent, and then reversing or disregarding that bad precedent.
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Okay, BUT I would argue that society is well served by realizing that some precedent is bad precedent, and then reversing or disregarding that bad precedent.
To be upfront - I think your point is completely fair.
I guess the problem is the practical reality of it. After the Sterling tape came out, you couldn't feasibly go to the players and say "Okay, guys, yes, one of our owners has been recorded dehumanizing black people. But you should still have to participate in games against his team when he's sitting in the arena." Or, in the case of Ray Rice, it's hard to say "Okay guys, yes it turns out he's a wife beater, but we're not going to do anything about it. Please buy our pink breast cancer awareness gear."
The actual court system shouldn't work this way, yes. But I'm not sure sports leagues can do things that way. Player boycotts were waiting if Sterling wasn't punished hard enough. And, now that all the Ray Rice stuff is coming out, Congress is asking the NFL what's up.
To stress, your point might be completely right. In five to ten years, we might be looking at Sterling's forcible exit as the first step in creating an oppressive mob rule.
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A precedent in the NBA has no meaning in the NFL.
Regardless, if Gooddell saw the tape then he should be fired. Not only for being a poor judgement on justice, but for then lying about it after the fact and giving excuses for his reasoning.
I initially liked the idea of Gooddell being the judge, jury, and executioner just for the idea that it would help the image of the NFL with all the crimes committed by players, but at this point, its not working out at all and one person should not have that much power.
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Reap, I hear you. And I'm not sure what the ultimate answer is. But I feel the pendulum swinging too far, and it makes me very uncomfortable with where we are going.
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A precedent in the NBA has no meaning in the NFL.
Bills just sold for 1.4 billion because of the huge Clippers sale.
The NFL and NBA, when they locked out their players, moved to decrease the players' share of the revenue in part because each league knew the other was doing the same thing. The NHL also moved to implement more owner-friendly monetary policies in their lockout based on what the NBA and NFL did.
The different sports leagues absolutely take cues from each other.
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If this is true then it's definitely a case of the coverup being far greater than the crime. I think the video changes nothing, but he's been too steadfast in his denial of having seen it to be exposed now for lying. That said, all we know is that some chick said it was terrible. That doesn't mean it was actually disseminated through the NFL (although that's not a particularly plausible or comforting explanation).
To stress, your point might be completely right. In five to ten years, we might be looking at Sterling's forcible exit as the first step in creating an oppressive mob rule.
Some of us were looking at it 5 months ago. It was disturbing then and each new example makes me less comfortable. Like I mentioned a day or two ago, this is going to work it's way beyond sports and businesses.
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A precedent in the NBA has no meaning in the NFL.
Bills just sold for 1.4 billion because of the huge Clippers sale.
The NFL and NBA, when they locked out their players, moved to decrease the players' share of the revenue in part because each league knew the other was doing the same thing. The NHL also moved to implement more owner-friendly monetary policies in their lockout based on what the NBA and NFL did.
The different sports leagues absolutely take cues from each other.
but precedence means nothing interleague. Yes they do cues from one another as they are similar businesses. Doesnt mean that if something happens in one league, it must happen in another.
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but precedence means nothing interleague. Yes they do cues from one another as they are similar businesses. Doesnt mean that if something happens in one league, it must happen in another.
Not necessarily, but the court of public opinion disagrees. For a business relying on public perception, that's all that matters.
Or, hey, let's look at the NFL's own internal precedent. When Goodell suspended Sean Payton, he said that if he didn't know about the bounty activities, then he should have. Ignorance wasn't an excuse. Why isn't he holding himself up to his own standard?
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Or, hey, let's look at the NFL's own internal precedent. When Goodell suspended Sean Payton, he said that if he didn't know about the bounty activities, then he should have. Ignorance wasn't an excuse. Why isn't he holding himself up to his own standard?
THAT's a GREAT point.
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but precedence means nothing interleague. Yes they do cues from one another as they are similar businesses. Doesnt mean that if something happens in one league, it must happen in another.
Not necessarily, but the court of public opinion disagrees. For a business relying on public perception, that's all that matters.
Or, hey, let's look at the NFL's own internal precedent. When Goodell suspended Sean Payton, he said that if he didn't know about the bounty activities, then he should have. Ignorance wasn't an excuse. Why isn't he holding himself up to his own standard?
Precedence /= or have anything to do with public opinion... you are correlating the two and im not arguing that because I agree.
Also, yes that Is a really good point regarding Goodell and ignorance.
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Or, hey, let's look at the NFL's own internal precedent. When Goodell suspended Sean Payton, he said that if he didn't know about the bounty activities, then he should have. Ignorance wasn't an excuse. Why isn't he holding himself up to his own standard?
THAT's a GREAT point.
Why? Ignorance of what? The existence of the video, or the content?
(and not singling out TAC--just using the most applicable post to raise the question)
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Both, I guess.
In his own words, he even "assumed" there was a video. He can't even plead ignorance.
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Or, hey, let's look at the NFL's own internal precedent. When Goodell suspended Sean Payton, he said that if he didn't know about the bounty activities, then he should have. Ignorance wasn't an excuse. Why isn't he holding himself up to his own standard?
THAT's a GREAT point.
That's a brilliant point.
Hope that the truth comes out once and for all, though I'm not holding my breath.
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I guess I'm going to wait for somebody to spell out the logic of the ignorance is no excuse thing. I just don't get how it matters.
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I guess I'm going to wait for somebody to spell out the logic of the ignorance is no excuse thing. I just don't get how it matters.
I'm not aying I personally subscribe to it, but as Reap pointed out, apparently Goodell does.
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I guess I'm going to wait for somebody to spell out the logic of the ignorance is no excuse thing. I just don't get how it matters.
All I can think of it that, you want to do whatever you can so you don't tarnish the product. Did he do enough to get the video. Now that lends to, is he using plausible deniability? With the new leak saying there was an employee that knew, and seen the tape, is he using that he did see it to protect the NFL and it's owners, the real bosses.
When the owners hand pick a commissioner it lead to question like, is he really doing what's right or for the interest of the owners.
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I guess I'm going to wait for somebody to spell out the logic of the ignorance is no excuse thing. I just don't get how it matters.
I'm not aying I personally subscribe to it, but as Reap pointed out, apparently Goodell does.
Oh, I get it in principle, and generally agree. I just don't see how it matters in this instance and people keep suggesting that it does a great deal. I'm just not getting ReaP's point.
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If there is a video of the incident (there is) and he, or just the NFL, was given it (which it now seems they were), then how can one possibly hand out a punishment without seeing it?
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If there is a video of the incident (there is) and he, or just the NFL, was given it (which it now seems they were), then how can one possibly hand out a punishment without seeing it?
Alright. That works for me. However, since I still maintain that the video means precisely jack shit here, it seems much more like "the buck stops here" than "ignorance is no excuse." He knew the content of the video whether he'd seen it or not.
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Holy fuck Olbermann went HAM
https://deadspin.com/keith-olbermann-roger-goodell-needs-to-be-fired-1633251418?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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-J.J. Watt might be the best NFL player. At any position.
DAT MAN :biggrin:
Regarding the Ray Rice thing... wow, crazy stuff.
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If there is a video of the incident (there is) and he, or just the NFL, was given it (which it now seems they were), then how can one possibly hand out a punishment without seeing it?
Alright. That works for me. However, since I still maintain that the video means precisely jack shit here, it seems much more like "the buck stops here" than "ignorance is no excuse." He knew the content of the video whether he'd seen it or not.
Well if he knew exactly what happened in the video then he should still be held responsible.
My whole thing, and you can even check back in the history of this thread, I always assumed the light 2 game sentance was due to what was on that video. That maybe that video showed that Ray had knocked her out in self defense or something, something to justify a short suspension. It turns out the opposite and its kind of hard to comprehend why that was the case.
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He knew the content of the video whether he'd seen it or not.
Oh, no question.
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Well if he knew exactly what happened in the video then he should still be held responsible.
Well, he DID know. We ALL knew. What happened in that elevator and on that video was widely disseminated at the time. Nothing on the video happens that wasn't already knowledge. The only difference is that now we see it, as opposed to just reading about.
Which I think is what EB is getting at.
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The NFL's bringing in an independent investigator to look into how it handled the incident.
For some reason, it feels to me like he'll conveniently find nothing, allowing the NFL to move on.
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The NFL's bringing in an independent investigator to look into how it handled the incident.
For some reason, it feels to me like he'll conveniently find nothing, allowing the NFL to move on.
Exactly, former FBI agent... just a hired guy to do what the NFL wants, an "investigation" that leads to nothing. I agree completely with you.
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From the ESPN story:
Mueller, based in Washington, D.C., is currently a partner in the law firm of WilmerHale, which helped negotiate the NFL's Sunday Ticket package with DirecTV. The firm also has represented Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and several former members of the firm have taken positions with NFL teams.
How is anyone supposed to take this seriously?
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So, yeah, Ravens/Steelers tonight. One of the best rivalries of the 21st century. Should be a good one.
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My favorite part of any Ravens/Steelers game is the refs' refusal to call penalties in the defensive backfield. Pass interference blatantly occurs on every play.
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THIS is absolutely insane and makes me angry beyond words:
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers suspended veteran broadcaster Ted Robinson on Wednesday night for the next two games following comments this week on a San Francisco radio station about the Ray Rice domestic violence case that were deemed insensitive.
The Pac-12 Networks also announced late Wednesday that it had suspended Robinson for the next two weeks and that he would undergo sensitivity training. Robinson, 57, spoke while co-hosting on KNBR radio Monday and said Rice's now-wife, Janay, was partly to blame for not speaking up.
"That, to me, is the saddest part of it," he said.
The issue of domestic violence is particularly sensitive for the 49ers, who recently had one of their players arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. Defensive tackle Ray McDonald has continued to practice and play since his Aug. 31 arrest while celebrating his 30th birthday with friends and teammates at his home. CEO Jed York and coach Jim Harbaugh have said they will let "due process" play out before making a decision about McDonald, while reiterating they have zero tolerance for domestic violence.
Robinson issued apologies through the 49ers and Pac-12 Networks.
"I want to unconditionally apologize for my comments the other day," Robinson said. "As a professional communicator, I am responsible for my words. My choice of words was careless and does not reflect my true feelings about domestic violence. I understand that the cycle of abuse keeps people in unhealthy relationships. No blame or responsibility should ever be placed on a victim."
In a statement, 49ers president Paraag Marathe said he told Robinson of the decision earlier Wednesday.
"The comments made by radio broadcaster Ted Robinson on Monday were offensive and in no way reflect the views of the San Francisco 49ers organization. We have made the decision to suspend him for the next two games. I informed Ted of our decision earlier today, and we will continue to address this matter with him internally. Our organization stands strongly against domestic violence and will not tolerate comments such as these," he said.
Robinson, the 49ers' play-by-play voice since 2009, signed a five-year contract extension in May 2013 that takes him through the 2018 season. He will not call the team's home opener Sunday night against the Bears, the regular-season debut at the new $1.2 billion Levi's Stadium.
His first game back would be when San Francisco hosts Philadelphia on Sept. 28.
The Pac-12 Networks said Robinson won't call games for two weeks.
"Ted's commentary on Monday was entirely unacceptable and stands in stark contrast to the core values of Pac-12 Networks," Pac-12 Networks president Lydia Murphy-Stephans said. "We value Ted as a member of our team but see this as an important learning opportunity as we work with him through sensitivity training before welcoming him back to our air."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505424/san-francisco-49ers-pac-12-network-suspend-broadcaster-ted-robinson-comments-rice-incident
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The NFL's bringing in an independent investigator to look into how it handled the incident.
For some reason, it feels to me like he'll conveniently find nothing, allowing the NFL to move on.
I have a lot more faith in independent investigations than you do. Robert Mueller works for a law firm that has much more to lose than to gain by fudging this investigation. Their sole responsibility is to be neutral, and if they blow that by siding with their paycheck then that hurts them far beyond the half million or so the NFL is paying for this.
THIS is absolutely insane and makes me angry beyond words:
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers suspended veteran broadcaster Ted Robinson on Wednesday night for the next two games following comments this week on a San Francisco radio station about the Ray Rice domestic violence case that were deemed insensitive.
The Pac-12 Networks also announced late Wednesday that it had suspended Robinson for the next two weeks and that he would undergo sensitivity training. Robinson, 57, spoke while co-hosting on KNBR radio Monday and said Rice's now-wife, Janay, was partly to blame for not speaking up.
"That, to me, is the saddest part of it," he said.
The issue of domestic violence is particularly sensitive for the 49ers, who recently had one of their players arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. Defensive tackle Ray McDonald has continued to practice and play since his Aug. 31 arrest while celebrating his 30th birthday with friends and teammates at his home. CEO Jed York and coach Jim Harbaugh have said they will let "due process" play out before making a decision about McDonald, while reiterating they have zero tolerance for domestic violence.
Robinson issued apologies through the 49ers and Pac-12 Networks.
"I want to unconditionally apologize for my comments the other day," Robinson said. "As a professional communicator, I am responsible for my words. My choice of words was careless and does not reflect my true feelings about domestic violence. I understand that the cycle of abuse keeps people in unhealthy relationships. No blame or responsibility should ever be placed on a victim."
In a statement, 49ers president Paraag Marathe said he told Robinson of the decision earlier Wednesday.
"The comments made by radio broadcaster Ted Robinson on Monday were offensive and in no way reflect the views of the San Francisco 49ers organization. We have made the decision to suspend him for the next two games. I informed Ted of our decision earlier today, and we will continue to address this matter with him internally. Our organization stands strongly against domestic violence and will not tolerate comments such as these," he said.
Robinson, the 49ers' play-by-play voice since 2009, signed a five-year contract extension in May 2013 that takes him through the 2018 season. He will not call the team's home opener Sunday night against the Bears, the regular-season debut at the new $1.2 billion Levi's Stadium.
His first game back would be when San Francisco hosts Philadelphia on Sept. 28.
The Pac-12 Networks said Robinson won't call games for two weeks.
"Ted's commentary on Monday was entirely unacceptable and stands in stark contrast to the core values of Pac-12 Networks," Pac-12 Networks president Lydia Murphy-Stephans said. "We value Ted as a member of our team but see this as an important learning opportunity as we work with him through sensitivity training before welcoming him back to our air."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505424/san-francisco-49ers-pac-12-network-suspend-broadcaster-ted-robinson-comments-rice-incident
Welcome to life in these United States, Chief. I personally find it more sad than angering, particularly since a whole lot of very smart people think this is exactly how things should work here. Moreover, there really isn't much of a solution to this. The mob gets to dictate how a whole lot of things are done now, and it's not particularly good at it, but it's the mob's right to do so, I suppose, even if it is thoughtless and shortsighted.
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I would just like to point out that Robert Mueller is not just a former FBI agent. He was the FBI Director.
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Joke told to me by student:
I cut the sleeves off my Ray Rice jersey and now I have a wife beater.
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I would just like to point out that Robert Mueller is not just a former FBI agent. He was the FBI Director.
So was Louis Freeh and he totally botched the PSU investigation by taking the money and writing what the PSU board wanted him to write. I have no faith in these types of investigations especially when you find out that there are links between the two parties that show its impossible to be fair.
From the ESPN story:
Mueller, based in Washington, D.C., is currently a partner in the law firm of WilmerHale, which helped negotiate the NFL's Sunday Ticket package with DirecTV. The firm also has represented Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and several former members of the firm have taken positions with NFL teams.
How is anyone supposed to take this seriously?
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Joke told to me by student:
I cut the sleeves off my Ray Rice jersey and now I have a wife beater.
:clap:
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I just made Lynch's quote "I'm just bout that action, boss" as my text message alert, and its remix as my ringtone. Still love it.
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This is the least pumped that I've ever been for a Baltimore/Pittsburgh game.
I hope that this "private" investigation reveals the truth.
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Given how much this dude's in the NFL's back pocket, I'll only believe the investigation was corruption-free if it results in Goodell's firing as well as exposes every bit as much wrongdoing as has already been speculated. If it was a truly neutral party handling this, I could see myself believing outcomes other than that but it's way too hard to believe any exonerating findings made by that guy.
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Yeah, now that I've gotten a chance to read about it, and listen to Keith Olbermann & OTL, this is another farce to go on top of the stack of farces we are currently buried under.
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Joke told to me by student:
I cut the sleeves off my Ray Rice jersey and now I have a wife beater.
Give them an A.
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I'm not a Suggs fan, but this shirt is awesome:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxICZVyCIAABhSZ.jpg:large)
:lol :lol :lol
I hope Jones returns a kickoff for a TD tonight as a big FU to Tomlin for trying to get in his way last November.
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Given how much this dude's in the NFL's back pocket, I'll only believe the investigation was corruption-free if it results in Goodell's firing as well as exposes every bit as much wrongdoing as has already been speculated. If it was a truly neutral party handling this, I could see myself believing outcomes other than that but it's way too hard to believe any exonerating findings made by that guy.
Right. And here's the other thing - If the NFL really believed they handled it properly, they would have hired an independent investigator. The fact they hired someone with every reason not to make an objective finding means they at least suspect something wrong.
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Serious question: should the Ray Rice talk have its own thread? I say yes, since the football talk has gotten lost in here amongst the off-the-field chatter involving Rice, Goodell and all of that. I think it would be easier, since we could talk about the Rice stuff there and the football stuff here. Just a thought.
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Serious question: should the Ray Rice talk have its own thread? I say yes, since the football talk has gotten lost in here amongst the off-the-field chatter involving Rice, Goodell and all of that. I think it would be easier, since we could talk about the Rice stuff there and the football stuff here. Just a thought.
For some reason, I feel like both threads would be awkward. The game behind the game stuff is always a big part of Football. Do we also ban bountygate, spygate, Michael Vick, and so on from this thread too?
I suspect the Rice chatter will simmer down on its own soon. If news stories keep breaking and it just becomes totally impossible to talk about normal football, I can see why you'd make Rice conversation into its own thread. But I think normal Football conversation will reassert itself. It's especially bad right now because it's Thursday Night Football (harder to care than Sunday Football) and the Ravens are playing.
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That's probably true. *high five*
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Ray Rice talk.... it's all about the Saint's D..... rite??!!
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Ray Rice talk.... it's all about the Saint's D..... rite??!!
Both entities have been involved in scandal lately.
***black_floyd boos***
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all night.
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Great playaction for the score. You'll rarely see an NFL player more wide open on a short passing play to the endzone.
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That's the Shanny/Kubiak WCO for ya. Run it all day and then throw it to the TE for the score.
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Steve Smith Sr. Still got them moves. He softens the blow of a Ravens offense without Boldin.
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Steve Smith's TD last week was so beastly. The way he stiff armed and threw the DB to the ground like he was nothing was awesome.
Also, Forsett looks much better at RB so far than Pierce.
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Steve Smith's TD last week was so beastly. The way he stiff armed and threw the DB to the ground like he was nothing was awesome.
Also, Forsett looks much better at RB so far than Pierce.
Agreed on both counts. Ravens are being patient with Pierce for whatever reason, but Forsett has looked very good thus far.
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Steve Smith's TD last week was so beastly. The way he stiff armed and threw the DB to the ground like he was nothing was awesome.
Also, Forsett looks much better at RB so far than Pierce.
Agreed on both counts. Ravens are being patient with Pierce for whatever reason, but Forsett has looked very good thus far.
But yeah.... Bell just reminded us who the best RB on the field is.
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So.... did anyone start Owen Daniels this week :omg:
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So.... did anyone start Owen Daniels this week :omg:
All alone in the end zone once again.
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KO's latest gem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dK1vzqhr4M&list=UUdJtV6wXT6lnrvldU_urowQ
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Pleased with the win. It's not every day the Ravens are able to defeat the Steelers so soundly. Hopefully they can take the next 10 days and get back to some normalcy.
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That game was strange. I am used to Ravens/Steelers games being close games that go right down to the wire.
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That game was strange. I am used to Ravens/Steelers games being close games that go right down to the wire.
Seriously.
I picked Pittsburgh in my work pool too. Balls.
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I think last night showed what a great coach John Harbaugh is. To have the team that focused and ready to play, after what they dealt with this past week, was a superb job.
On the flip side, at what point do people start acknowledging that Mike Tomlin is merely a good coach, not a great one. Yeah, yeah, he won a Super Bowl...with a team he inherited from Bill Cowher...but the Steelers are only 17-17 since the start of 2012, and I am seeing way too many games where they don't look ready to play (last night) or games with major lapses (the 2nd half last week). Sure, nearly every team has their ups and downs, but how much success would he have had if he didn't inherit not only a team that was a little over a year removed from winning the Super Bowl, but the greatest DC ever?
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Yeah, he's certainly not "great."
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The counter-argument in Tomlin's favor is that the Steelers have dealt with major roster dysfunction since losing the Super Bowl. Being able to go 8-8 the last two years with... whatever they have on their team is a credit to him.
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They still had the number 1 defense in 2012 plus a top 7-8 QB. One could argue that going 8-8 with the number 1 defense and a 2nd tier QB who threw 26 touchdowns and 8 interceptions is underachieving.
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Yes, one could argue that. I would say that everyone should argue that.
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I'm not sure when the last time we had this discussion was, but to me, the five best coaches in the NFL are quite obviously Belichick, Carroll, Payton and the Harbaugh brothers. I know Coughlin has two rings, but he misses the playoffs way too often for me to put him in the top five at this juncture.
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They still had the number 1 defense in 2012 plus a top 7-8 QB. One could argue that going 8-8 with the number 1 defense and a 2nd tier QB who threw 26 touchdowns and 8 interceptions is underachieving.
Looking at their games from the 2012 season, it's hard to disagree. They lost to the Raiders (finished 4-12), the Titans (finished 6-10), the Browns (finished 5-11) and the Chargers (finished 7-9). You guys overrate the 2012 Steelers a little bit (their offense was ranked 22nd in the league in points scored), but their defense was still good. It's hard to imagine a good coach losing all four of those games.
Still, , it's almost like Grantland's Bill Barnwell prophesied this discussion and wrote a post pertaining to it. (https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-price-of-loyalty-in-pittsburgh/). They've managed their cap horribly the last few years.
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I'm not sure when the last time we had this discussion was, but to me, the five best coaches in the NFL are quite obviously Belichick, Carroll, Payton and the Harbaugh brothers. I know Coughlin has two rings, but he misses the playoffs way too often for me to put him in the top five at this juncture.
Hard to argue with that list. I love how Carroll has got his team buying into it all. They'll got through walls for him.
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I wouldnt of put Carroll up there until what he did last year and how he has a team that seems to really love him. The guy is really charismatic and even though he isnt young, you would think he was based on his personality and I think the players love it. He is definitely up there with the top current coaches I agree.
And as a Giants fan, I want to put Coughlin up there, but I think he has lost it. The handling of the OC position and the way the team has been the last few seasons make me think he is getting too old for the job now. I think he is a great coach who had a great career and a few years ago should be in the top list of coaches, but now, I totally agree he is not one of the best currently.
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Ray Rice talk.... it's all about the Saint's D..... rite??!!
Still pissed...
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Those top 5 have longevity going for them, and taking average teams, and making them borderline extraordinary (Seattle/SF). There are a lot of good coaches that make teams look great in the short term (Reid with a soft KC schedule; Fox with a kill Denver lineup), but those 5 have put multiple pieces together for a great team(s).
Payton just needs to fire Rob Ryan... way too inconsistent.
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Peterson indicted for recklessly endangering a child.
I mean... really?
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Peterson indicted for recklessly endangering a child.
I mean... really?
The hits keep coming
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Apparently he was beating his 11 year old with a switch. Lovely.
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Apparently he was beating his 11 year old with a switch.
??? And why is that grounds for an indictment? (especially in Texas)
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Apparently he was beating his 11 year old with a switch.
??? And why is that grounds for an indictment? (especially in Texas)
Generally it's not down here, as evidenced by the fact that they no-billed him back in April. Not sure why the new indictment. However, there are pictures and from the doctor's reports it seems pretty clear that this was excessive. Also corroborated by the kid's testimony. As I said elsewhere, if a you get indicted for something like that down here, it really has to be pretty severe.
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Apparently he was beating his 11 year old with a switch.
??? And why is that grounds for an indictment? (especially in Texas)
Generally it's not down here, as evidenced by the fact that they no-billed him back in April. Not sure why the new indictment. However, there are pictures and from the doctor's reports it seems pretty clear that this was excessive. Also corroborated by the kid's testimony. As I said elsewhere, if a you get indicted for something like that down here, it really has to be pretty severe.
Spot on. This seems to have been excessive. I caught more than one whooping when I was growing up, but I wouldn't say that I was ever injured.
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The Vikings just deactivated Peterson for Sunday against the Patriots
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The Vikings just deactivated Peterson for Sunday against the Patriots
Hell Yeah!
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Apparently he was beating his 11 year old with a switch.
??? And why is that grounds for an indictment? (especially in Texas)
Generally it's not down here, as evidenced by the fact that they no-billed him back in April. Not sure why the new indictment. However, there are pictures and from the doctor's reports it seems pretty clear that this was excessive. Also corroborated by the kid's testimony. As I said elsewhere, if a you get indicted for something like that down here, it really has to be pretty severe.
Oh, okay. Gotcha. I did not realize this incident went that far. Eesh.
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The Vikings just deactivated Peterson for Sunday against the Patriots
Hell Yeah!
Seconded!
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11515179/nfl-players-union-votes-accept-revised-drug-policy?ex_cid=sportscenterFB (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11515179/nfl-players-union-votes-accept-revised-drug-policy?ex_cid=sportscenterFB)
Well and that was quick.
Overall changes are retroactive for players suspended under previous policies, as well as for those in the appeal process. Broncos wide receiver Wes Welker and Cowboys cornerback Orlando Scandrick will be reinstated and eligible to play Sunday, a league source tells ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon's yearlong suspension has been reduced to 10 games, sources told Schefter, following the approval of the league's new drug testing policy.
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The Vikings just deactivated Peterson for Sunday against the Patriots
Hell Yeah!
Seconded!
Typical Patriots luck.
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Leave Andrew Luck out of this.
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:lol
But seriously, Adrian Peterson...screw that guy. Greg Hardy, too. How in the world are the Panthers letting that guy play??
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It's so hard to understand what the teams and what Goodell are doing. Goodell is the real head scratcher. He was so tough on so many policies to see him F-up like this is so out of his character since he took office. If the investigation turns up that a NFL toady showed him the second video he is so done and even if someone hid it from him in the NFL headquarters (Which I don't believe for one minute) it shoes incompetence.
This whole thing is so out of character. Never mind how 2 idiots in the Rice family can't act like adults and Rice himself stepping so far over the line that it's cost them their livelihood. People, I will never get them.
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I don't understand why the Panthers are letting Hardy play.
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It's so hard to understand what the teams and what Goodell are doing. Goodell is the real head scratcher. He was so tough on so many policies to see him F-up like this is so out of his character since he took office. If the investigation turns up that a NFL toady showed him the second video he is so done and even if someone hid it from him in the NFL headquarters (Which I don't believe for one minute) it shoes incompetence.
This whole thing is so out of character. Never mind how 2 idiots in the Rice family can't act like adults and Rice himself stepping so far over the line that it's cost them their livelihood. People, I will never get them.
I agree with what Kornheiser said on PTI yesterday, which was that Goodell, in the meeting where Rice had to tell him what happened, probably saw Rice and his wife together and talking about how they wanted to get past it and live a happy life together, and thought, "Okay, the cops are letting him off relatively light, and his wife is saying it wasn't that bad, so I'll slap him with two games and that'll be the end of it." There is no way he envisioned the shit storm that has happened this week since the video of what actually happened inside the elevator was released.
I don't understand why the Panthers are letting Hardy play.
Between that and the 49ers letting McDonald play, it's clear that some teams still do not get it. Or don't care. That "win at all costs" mantra that is so prevalent in sports leads those in charge to often make decisions that are more than a bit questionable from a morality standpoint.
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Kev, I totally get that but it's so unlike anything Goodell has ever done so that's the shock to me.
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I agree with what Kornheiser said on PTI yesterday, which was that Goodell, in the meeting where Rice had to tell him what happened, probably saw Rice and his wife together and talking about how they wanted to get past it and live a happy life together, and thought, "Okay, the cops are letting him off relatively light, and his wife is saying it wasn't that bad, so I'll slap him with two games and that'll be the end of it." There is no way he envisioned the shit storm that has happened this week since the video of what actually happened inside the elevator was released.
This still makes Goodell stupid. He could have (a) Interviewed Janay Rice without Ray Rice in the room. (b) Tried to acquire the tape to make sure they were being honest about what happened. (c) Not believed a man trying to get out of major trouble and a woman who is clearly dealing with some form of Stockholm Syndrome.
I understand the desire to frame Goodell's intentions as basically humane, but the punishments aren't just for the players. They're for sending a message to the league about what is and isn't acceptable.
I don't understand why the Panthers are letting Hardy play.
He's a good player. They're trying to see if they can ride out the bad PR wave without cutting or suspending him.
Unlike with Ray McDonald, the facts of what Hardy did are publicly documented and don't seem to be subject to any serious dispute. He appealed for a jury trial, but that's him hoping a dumb jury will let him off the hook, which would give the league an excuse not to suspend him. This is exactly the kind of thing which makes people believe the league isn't serious about policing domestic violence. Players can be suspended without even being charged for crimes. Hardy should be suspended at least six games.
the 49ers letting McDonald play
There's still far more ambiguity here. No one seems to really know what happened. The facts aren't really out there. Deactivating him before he's even charged of a crime feels like a cynical PR move. This case still needs time to play out.
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There is no way he envisioned the shit storm that has happened this week since the video of what actually happened inside the elevator was released.
Well it was rather surprising considering that the video added absolutely zero new information to the situation, although the way the media and the general public reacted you'd suspect otherwise. We already knew the guy cold clocked his wife so why did seeing a video suddenly make it much worse? The backpedaling by the NFL and the Ravens as a result was pretty bad though.
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the video added absolutely zero new information to the situation
People forget the recent past too easily. Before the video came out, what happened was very much in dispute. And, the video brought to light new details that made Rice's actions especially appalling:
- The biggest topic of conversation with Janay's role in instigating the fight. Many people theorized that she had aggravated Rice enough to provoke the punch. Or, that she might have been attacking him in some way. On the tape, we see him hit her first. Then, as she approaches him, he punches her hard enough to knock her out. The tape shows conclusively that Janay Rice had no role in provoking anything, which was widely speculated.
- People figured the two of them got into a fight. It wasn't even a fight.
- It was also speculated that maybe she hit her head on an elevator railing, which played a bigger role in knocking her out than the punch. The tape proved this did not occur.
- After he punches Janay, Ray Rice shows no sign of remorse or shock. He stands over her coldly. Rice had portrayed himself to the media as contrite and disappointed by his actions. The video shows that he was acting.
The version of events people figured occurred before they had seen the tape was very different than what we now know.
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While the league is caught up in this silliness with Ray Rice, there's also the new drug policy discussions. While I agree that recreational drugs should be treated differently than PE's (and IMO probably not at all), I don't understand why it would be applied retroactively. Seems to me that the league is caving here. The rules were very clear and in place when the infractions occurred, and changing them now shouldn't cancel out the violations. If the rules had been deemed unfair or incorrect, the legal equivalent of being shot down in court, then I could certainly see it. That's not the case here. They're just amending them to be more reasonable.
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ReaP. You're right about Rice's actions after he knocked her out. That's the damming part.
Bart, you'd think this would have been done in the offseason. This retro stuff us weird.
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While the league is caught up in this silliness with Ray Rice, there's also the new drug policy discussions. While I agree that recreational drugs should be treated differently than PE's (and IMO probably not at all), I don't understand why it would be applied retroactively. Seems to me that the league is caving here. The rules were very clear and in place when the infractions occurred, and changing them now shouldn't cancel out the violations. If the rules had been deemed unfair or incorrect, the legal equivalent of being shot down in court, then I could certainly see it. That's not the case here. They're just amending them to be more reasonable.
I think it's them caving to public opinion, plain and simple.
Kev, I totally get that but it's so unlike anything Goodell has ever done so that's the shock to me.
Agreed.
I agree with what Kornheiser said on PTI yesterday, which was that Goodell, in the meeting where Rice had to tell him what happened, probably saw Rice and his wife together and talking about how they wanted to get past it and live a happy life together, and thought, "Okay, the cops are letting him off relatively light, and his wife is saying it wasn't that bad, so I'll slap him with two games and that'll be the end of it." There is no way he envisioned the shit storm that has happened this week since the video of what actually happened inside the elevator was released.
This still makes Goodell stupid. He could have (a) Interviewed Janay Rice without Ray Rice in the room. (b) Tried to acquire the tape to make sure they were being honest about what happened. (c) Not believed a man trying to get out of major trouble and a woman who is clearly dealing with some form of Stockholm Syndrome.
I understand the desire to frame Goodell's intentions as basically humane, but the punishments aren't just for the players. They're for sending a message to the league about what is and isn't acceptable.
Agreed. I wasn't defending Goodell, but merely saying that I agree with Kornheiser in regards to what his thought process probably was.
Unlike with Ray McDonald, the facts of what Hardy did are publicly documented and don't seem to be subject to any serious dispute. He appealed for a jury trial, but that's him hoping a dumb jury will let him off the hook, which would give the league an excuse not to suspend him. This is exactly the kind of thing which makes people believe the league isn't serious about policing domestic violence. Players can be suspended without even being charged for crimes. Hardy should be suspended at least six games.
Have you heard the 911 call of the woman who heard Hardy beating up his girlfriend? It's chilling, to say the least. It makes you sick, and really does make you wonder how in the hell he hasn't been suspended yet.
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the 49ers letting McDonald play
There's still far more ambiguity here. No one seems to really know what happened. The facts aren't really out there. Deactivating him before he's even charged of a crime feels like a cynical PR move. This case still needs time to play out.
Not really... On Aug 31st, "... police officers who arrived on the scene arrested McDonald on charges of "inflicting injury on a spouse or cohabitant," according to Santa Clara Department of Corrections records."
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Not really... On Aug 31st, "... police officers who arrived on the scene arrested McDonald on charges of "inflicting injury on a spouse or cohabitant," according to Santa Clara Department of Corrections records."
Not saying it isn't probably very bad. But we don't know any of the specifics.
On the other hand, this story about Adrian Peterson beating his kids (https://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/) is creepy.
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I got a switch occasionally when I was a kid. But I never wound up with the sheer amount of stripes that this kid did. Did you see the pics?
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I got a slap on the ass as a kid. The sound of my dad's feet scared me more than anything as a kid.
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Honestly, I've never heard of it being called a switch before; I had to google what it was when this story broke.
I got spanked a handful of times when I was kid, but my (super awesome) parents just used their hands (or, an open palm), and it was enough to get the point across, but not nearly enough to even leave a mark. If more parents used it that way, spanking wouldn't be as ostracized as it is now, but you have ass clowns like Adrian Peterson going way overboard like this.
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Honestly, I've never heard of it being called a switch before; I had to google what it was when this story broke.
I got spanked a handful of times when I was kid, but my (super awesome) parents just used their hands (or, an open palm), and it was enough to get the point across, but not nearly enough to even leave a mark. If more parents used it that way, spanking wouldn't be as ostracized as it is now, but you have ass clowns like Adrian Peterson going way overboard like this.
Ditto and ditto.
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My feeling is, you leave a mark on the kid, a mark should get left on you.
Since the logic is "the kid didn't show restraint/respect/impulse control, so they should get hit, and that way they'll think twice next time", that should apply to the parent when they show a lack of restraint/respect/impulse control as part of the "discipline" process (and leaving a mark or causing injury is an indicator of lack of said control). Preferably this happens with a Louisville Slugger to the ribcage.
An if someone doesn't think they can use corporal punishment without leaving a mark/injury, well, that's probably the sign they shouldn't be using it at all. "It hurts me more than it hurts you" is a cop-out...it needs to be real.
Of course, some of you know that I have rather strong opinions on this subject, and why...
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My Dad used to get "Switched" My granny would make him go out into the yard and pick it out. Me, my dad had a couple of old western gunbelts. The ones with the bullet loops. That's whats I got whooped with. Hell.... back in the day I got paddled by my elementary school principle. He had a big nasty ass wooden paddle... that bitch hurt... :lol
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Honestly, I've never heard of it being called a switch before; I had to google what it was when this story broke.
I got spanked a handful of times when I was kid, but my (super awesome) parents just used their hands (or, an open palm), and it was enough to get the point across, but not nearly enough to even leave a mark. If more parents used it that way, spanking wouldn't be as ostracized as it is now, but you have ass clowns like Adrian Peterson going way overboard like this.
same
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Kevin Hardy has been deactivated for today's game by the Panthers.
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Because of public pressure and the Ray Rice outrage. They should have done something like this (suspension/deactivation) months ago.
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No argument here, especially since he was already found guilty.
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Thank fucking Christ. If the Ray Rice video (not even a conviction) gets an indefinite suspension, you'd think that a conviction would get something.
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Thank fucking Christ. If the Ray Rice video (not even a conviction) gets an indefinite suspension, you'd think that a conviction would get something.
Stop sounding so rational.
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I will say that he was found guilty in a judge - only trial. He has appealed for a jury trial. We will see.
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Teams need to be more aggressive with the troubled players off the field if they want to "protect" their image. I for one was glad they dumped Hernandez so fast up here in N.E. Did it hurt the team. That's a big hell yeah, but it has to be done.
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I will say that he was found guilty in a judge - only trial. He has appealed for a jury trial. We will see.
That's fine, but just like a jailed criminal stays in jail until their appeal happens (and possibly won), Hardy should be suspended indefinitely, just like Rice, until his appeal happens.
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Griffin has suffered an apparent knee injury and has been carted off. Hoping that it's not serious (again).
Cousins has a TD in his first pass of the season, but that was a gimmie by a defensive breakdown.
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Griffin has suffered an apparent knee injury and has been carted off. Hoping that it's not serious (again).
Cousins has a TD in his first pass of the season, but that was a gimmie by a defensive breakdown.
Now DeSean Jackson is going to leave the game after an awkward landing on his arm/shoulder.
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Griffin has suffered an apparent knee injury and has been carted off. Hoping that it's not serious (again).
Cousins has a TD in his first pass of the season, but that was a gimmie by a defensive breakdown.
Now DeSean Jackson is going to leave the game after an awkward landing on his arm/shoulder.
The fuck is all this about? I thought we were discussing football?
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An by knee I mean ankle :facepalm:
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Big win for the Browns. Saints are now 0-2. I look forward to the subject update.
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Damn, I thought last week was just one of those fluky divisional losses that occur from time to time, but the Saints choked pretty hard today.
I suspect a whole lot of Redskin fans are hoping RG3 is out for a while.
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Panthers looking good.
Also, Saints WTF
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*awaits Josh rage*
*Facebook does not dissapoint*
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Saints game was interesting. They switched from the Cowboys to the Saints game because the titans weren't doing much.
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And JJ Watt has just scored a TD on offense. Expect more of that in the future.
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jets omg
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Go Packers Go! (Get that Top 5 Pick)
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Seattle's having trouble, as well. The league is a very strange place.
Speaking of strangeness, I heard a holding penalty earlier and was actually surprised to hear it was called against an offensive lineman. I'd kind of forgotten that holding used to be an offensive penalty.
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Literally everything we thought we knew after last week has been turned on its head.
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Seahawks lost to the :censored CHARGERS??? >:( I'm stunned.
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I'll be damned Skip Bayless was right :lol
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Wow... lots of strangeness this week.
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Re: NFL thread 2014 v. 31 horse race
:lol :loser:
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I guess that would be a passive aggressive 'Josh-rage'.
What's with all the fuckin flags in this SNF game!?!? Let them fucking PLAY ffs.
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Wow....Kaep. Did that hurt? It looked really painful...you know...when you *slammed* into it like that.
[/48 Hours reference]
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Wow....Kaep. Did that hurt? It looked really painful...you know...when you *slammed* into it like that.
[/48 Hours reference]
:angel:
Great shot with the door. Solid 60's cadillac door, to boot.
Damn, Chicago has completely taken over this game. Like to see it.
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LOL Kaep. He must've gotten a few tips from Romo last week. :lol
Bears taking care of this one tonight will be the icing on the cake. I tell ya, football season is like living in a parallel universe. Next weekend could be totally different again. Go figure.
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Football isn't a parallel universe, it's just like always.
It's just being played in an era of multiple 24-7 sport networks that only focus on the right now, so Week 1 is all that mattered and you can project the entire season by one week. Which is silly, but doesn't seem to stop stuff like 'Should the Pats be concerned?!" when their next game was against the fucking Vikings. :lol
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IDK....it seems weird to me that we have only played **TWO GAMES**....that's all. And yet, there are only 6 teams out of 32 who have won both of their games.
And if you had known that before hand, you probably would not have have picked Arizona, Cincinnati and Buffalo to be among those 6 teams.
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Wow, Niners went down like a five dollar whore during fleet week. What a debacle, this might end up being a long year of watching the Seahawks kick everyone's asses. Goddammit.
Edit: just checked the rest of the scores, been traveling and shit all day. Seattle lost?!?!?!?!!!! :omg:
So......the Cards are leading the west? Hoooooo fucking boy this is gonna be an interesting year....
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Even St. Louis is 1-1. Strange opening couple of weeks.
That was an entertaining game tonight... despite the plethora of flags.
If there's one thing that we can predict with the NFL, it's inconsistency. It's like someone switched Kaep's and Romo's Wheaties this week.
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Yea. I always laugh to myself when sports big mouths try to predict who's going to win championships before the seasons even start. It's like why even bother? You're usually not right anyway. It's like they just do it so they have something to talk about.
One thing that could have slowed Seahawks down was the heat. It was over 100 on the field. And with the sun beating down it's like being in an oven, the stadium has little air flow.
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I am not surprised the Seahawks lost to the Chargers. I figured 13-3 for the, with three road losses, and this is one of their most losable games, especially with the Chargers coming off a tough MNF loss.
The Broncos offense predictably isn't as absurd last year, but the defense looks better, and this is now two games in a row they made a big stop at the end to secure the win.
Today showed why I don't take Miami or Tennessee seriously as contenders. Those teams go as their quarterbacks go, and Tannehill and Locker are both very inconsistent from week to week.
Crazy comeback by the Bears tonight. I had them dead in the water at 17-0, but they fought back, and Kaepernick imploding sure did help.
Sean Payton needs to pull his head out of his ass and stop with his constantly rotating RBs system. Mark Ingram looks great now and should be getting a lot more touches.
The Bills are 2-0. :eek :eek :eek
I think RG3 is done. The guy's body is just breaking down all around him, and Cousins might be a better fit for the offense of Jay Gruden, who clearly wants a pocket QB.
I'm not surprised at all by Houston's 2-0 start. They weren't nearly as bad as their 2-14 record last year - they still had a top defense - but Schaub falling apart killed them, and it's hard to overcome bad QB play. Not that Ryan Fitzpatrick is all that, but the new coach is doing a nice job with him so far.
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If the Panthers can keep up their current level of intensity, this will be a fun season.
And Cam Newton may hampered by injuries to his ribs or ankles, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with his arm. Yesterday he had more zip on his throws than I've ever seen (not that it's ever been a problem anyway). Many of his passes were just laser beams.
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The Panthers were everybody's pick this year for "last year's playoff team that will drop off this year," so they sort of became underrated in that regard. Factor in how terrible the defenses of Atlanta and New Orleans both are, and Carolina might be a rare NFC South team that wins the division two years in a row. But it's still early...
Also, Vikings have announced that Adrian Peterson will play next week.
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The Panthers were everybody's pick this year for "last year's playoff team that will drop off this year," so they sort of became underrated in that regard.
I know that was the case, but I never really understood why.
BTW, let's hear it for Panthers K Graham Gano. Three FG and one recovered fumble :metal :lol
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Also, Vikings have announced that Adrian Peterson will play next week.
Guess I can bench/release Asiata
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The Panthers were everybody's pick this year for "last year's playoff team that will drop off this year," so they sort of became underrated in that regard.
I know that was the case, but I never really understood why.
I think that was largely because of their complete turnover at the WR position. However, Benjamin is looking like the real deal, and while Avant and Cotchery aren't anything special, they are a no worse 2 and 3 than LaFell and Ginn were. Patriots fans are now finding out what Panthers fans have known for years: LaFell sucks. As for losing Steve Smith, while he is showing in Baltimore that he still has plenty left in the tank, he can't really produce at a high level anymore with no other WRs around to draw any coverage away, but with the Ravens, Torrey Smith is a deep threat who must be accounted for, plus they have those TEs, so it's the perfect place for an aging WR who can still beat single coverage.
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Well, congrats to teams like Carolina, Arizona, Houston, and Denver for holding it together and getting off to a great start. As for the rest of the NFL, I am thoroughly confused after this week. :lol I was fully prepared to talk smack about Seattle imploding yesterday...until the 49ers then followed suit. Not room for trash talk from the fanbase of either team this week. :dunno:
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Jets got F'd in the A yesterday
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The Panthers were everybody's pick this year for "last year's playoff team that will drop off this year," so they sort of became underrated in that regard.
I know that was the case, but I never really understood why.
I think that was largely because of their complete turnover at the WR position.
I guess so, but it seems like poor thinking. The WR corps was our definite weak point last season, so we got rid of all of them and brought in some veterans, along with a stud rookie. Not sure it would be possible to go down from where we were.
I have a soft spot in my heart for Steve Smith, and I don't like the way it went down, but I think that move will turn out to be good for all involved.
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Jets got F'd in the A yesterday
Well, by themselves. But yea, typical Jet loss.
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Well, congrats to teams like Carolina, Arizona, Houston, and Denver for holding it together and getting off to a great start. As for the rest of the NFL, I am thoroughly confused after this week. :lol I was fully prepared to talk smack about Seattle imploding yesterday...until the 49ers then followed suit. Not room for trash talk from the fanbase of either team this week. :dunno:
My take on that:
As Kev said, this was one of the games that I had in the L column for this year for exactly the reasons he mentioned. I felt even more so when I discovered before game time that it was 120 degrees on the field, and that Pete Carroll had done little to nothing to prepare his players for the heat. (his motto is just preparing them to play with heart...no matter the conditions. I kinda get it...but I kinda don't.) Seattle was NEVER in control of that game. In fact, we were fortunate to even have a last chance near the end of that game. San Diego dominated ball control, and we were literally GIFTED a TD on the Percy Harvin run. We didn't deserve that game on any level from start to finish. But again, I'm sticking with the same formula as last year. We're a 12-4 maybe 13-3 team. We'll go undefeated at home (maybe one loss), and we'll go about 5-3 on the road...maybe split. (the other road games I'm worried about, for the record are Carolina, San Fransisco, and Arizona).
The Niners OTOH really had no excuse. They were in total control of the game IN THEIR HOME OPENER no less....and completely fell apart. I think Kaep can be a badass at times, but his immaturity showed in spades last night. I suppose that's another reason I really love Wilson as a player much more than Kaep. Wilson doesn't put up Kaep's numbers, but he's a far more mature player. He doesn't play like Montana...but his attitude and poise remind me of Montana. There are many times when I feel that that is more important to a team than just a badass athlete.
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Well yeah, Wilson is better and far more consistent than Kaepernick. He doesn't run like Kaepernick, although he's easily as elusive at escaping the pocket, but you rarely see Wilson make a barrage of glaring mistakes like Kaepernick has in two of the last three 49ers games that mattered (NFCCG and last night). Much of it is attitude, yes, as Wilson just exudes leadership, while Kaepernick, well, just doesn't, at least from where I'm watching.
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Well, congrats to teams like Carolina, Arizona, Houston, and Denver for holding it together and getting off to a great start. As for the rest of the NFL, I am thoroughly confused after this week. :lol I was fully prepared to talk smack about Seattle imploding yesterday...until the 49ers then followed suit. Not room for trash talk from the fanbase of either team this week. :dunno:
My take on that:
As Kev said, this was one of the games that I had in the L column for this year for exactly the reasons he mentioned. I felt even more so when I discovered before game time that it was 120 degrees on the field, and that Pete Carroll had done little to nothing to prepare his players for the heat. (his motto is just preparing them to play with heart...no matter the conditions. I kinda get it...but I kinda don't.) Seattle was NEVER in control of that game. In fact, we were fortunate to even have a last chance near the end of that game. San Diego dominated ball control, and we were literally GIFTED a TD on the Percy Harvin run. We didn't deserve that game on any level from start to finish. But again, I'm sticking with the same formula as last year. We're a 12-4 maybe 13-3 team. We'll go undefeated at home (maybe one loss), and we'll go about 5-3 on the road...maybe split. (the other road games I'm worried about, for the record are Carolina, San Fransisco, and Arizona).
The Niners OTOH really had no excuse. They were in total control of the game IN THEIR HOME OPENER no less....and completely fell apart. I think Kaep can be a badass at times, but his immaturity showed in spades last night. I suppose that's another reason I really love Wilson as a player much more than Kaep. Wilson doesn't put up Kaep's numbers, but he's a far more mature player. He doesn't play like Montana...but his attitude and poise remind me of Montana. There are many times when I feel that that is more important to a team than just a badass athlete.
Hey, if you can rationalize that one outcome was better than the other, go right ahead. I think anyone on either side who tries to do so loses credibility. Either way, these were dumb losses by two better teams that should not have lost. They may have choked in different ways, but both teams choked.
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No need for riled feathers... The Seahawks did not look like champions yesterday, and I don't think Carroll properly prepared them...so there's plenty of blame to go around. I was simply trying to (as objective as I can possibly be) point out why the Niners loss may have hurt the team more in the long run. (and why the Seahawks are better ;D )
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I wouldn't call Seattle losing at San Diego choking. They simply got outplayed from start to finish by a playoff team.
The 49ers, meanwhile, blew a double digit 4th quarter lead at home to a team with injured stars and a bad defense.
It's far easier to bash Richard Sherman for being a little baby by running and hiding after the game. Sure, he has a lot to say when they win, but where was he when they lost? Yeah, running and hiding. Typical blowhard.
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I need a good RB for my roster: does trading crabtree and hopkins worth getting Morris and decker ( he's injured right now with hamstring problemhe grabs from the preseason)
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Seattle losing at San Diego is no choke by any stretch of the imagination. It did serve to remind people that they are not invincible. And while they clearly have one of the very best defenses (if not the best), that there are ways to attack them.
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Not to mention that SD took it to Denver in both their meetings last year.
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In the Russell Wilson era, counting the playoffs:
Seattle at home: 18-1
Seattle on the road: 10-9
So yeah, they are definitely mortal on the road, but if they get home field, they are going to the Super Bowl again, and probably winning it.
However, Marshawn Lynch has a lingering back problem, which is partially why his touches were limited yesterday, so that is something to keep an eye on.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but I saw it yesterday and couldn't stop laughing.
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10603413_782601645119859_4398930109715500358_n.jpg?oh=08b22c4acd01d6af517e7f9a0da9d780&oe=5496AF7A)
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This Eagles team is so bi-polar that they're simultaneously infuriating and exhilarating to watch.
For every three or four doof plays, there seems to be one spectacular one.
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Andrew Luck = Hans Klopek from the classic Tom Hanks movie The Burbs...
Think about it, won't you? ;D
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/andrewluckhansklopek_zps6014320c.jpg~original)
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This game is killing my nerves.
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Serious question:
Who is dumber, the Saints for giving Darren Sproles away for practically nothing, or the Colts for overusing Trent Richardson tonight which probably cost them the game?
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No kidding... was just coming in to say that was a great game. Can't believe Richardson even got back in the game after putting the ball on the ground for the second time.
Although, I'm dumbest for benching Sproles! :jets:
The Eagles were helped by two very bad calls - the non-PI call on Hilton that got them the pick; followed immediately by the pony-collar tackle.
Good game to watch though.
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I didn't think there was PI on the pick. Looked like he just fell down to me. But I agree with the horse collar.
Most exciting game I've seen in a long time, at least from my perspective as an Eagles fan lol.
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I didn't think there was PI on the pick. Looked like he just fell down to me. But I agree with the horse collar.
Most exciting game I've seen in a long time, at least from my perspective as an Eagles fan lol.
Sure. It was clear as day.
Regardless, I still put this loss on the moronic Colts coaching staff.
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Man that was a nail-biter.
But awesome.
It's also nice to see that Chip Kelly apparently knows how to manage the time clock.
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I didn't think there was PI on the pick. Looked like he just fell down to me. But I agree with the horse collar.
Most exciting game I've seen in a long time, at least from my perspective as an Eagles fan lol.
Sure. It was clear as day.
Regardless, I still put this loss on the moronic Colts coaching staff.
Agreed... that 3-and-out on their last possession was pathetic attempt to win the game.
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Yeah Birds!!!!
Serious question:
Who is dumber, the Saints for giving Darren Sproles away for practically nothing, or the Colts for overusing Trent Richardson tonight which probably cost them the game?
Saints. Richardson had some good runs. Trading Sproles for a 5th round pick is incomprehensible.
The Eagles were helped by two very bad calls - the non-PI call on Hilton that got them the pick; followed immediately by the pony-collar tackle.
Good game to watch though.
Refs held the whistle on some bad PI calls against us. Bad calls go both ways.
It's also nice to see that Chip Kelly apparently knows how to manage the time clock.
Yes!
I was seriously thinking of quitting the Eagles during the last two Reid years. It was so bad. Having a real coach is amazing. Please never leave us Chip.
Regardless, I still put this loss on the moronic Colts coaching staff.
Agreed... that 3-and-out on their last possession was pathetic attempt to win the game.
The Colts did best against the Eagles with runs to the side and like ~10 yard pass plays. The Eagles never found an answer to either scheme. During the last drive, they did two up the gut runs then a weird hook back pass route that gave the defensive line a lot of time to get pressure on Luck. Like, seriously, I don't get it. The Eagles' biggest strength against the Colts' offense was their pass rush. On the most crucial play of the game, the Colts ran a play that gave the Eagles time to get a nice rush in before Luck threw the ball.
Baffling.
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Fun game last night.
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So the Vikings just lost their first (but not last) sponsor. This foray into mob rule is becoming so silly that eventually the league (and the teams) are going to have to stand up to it. It's a lot easier to dump a bad team than a good one. I guarantee that if the Vikings were to win a championship (even the division) then they'd get their sponsors back. It's fucking twitter that's driving the mob right now, and in a few months nobody will be thinking about AP, other than how good he is.
Besides, how long could any team last if they let the mob dictate how saintly their players have to be.
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This is the weird way society balances out.
Before, this kind of stuff was basically covered up. Let's say twenty years ago rumor has it there's an audio tape circling around of Donald Sterling saying racist things. NBA investigators find the tape and either bribe the person possessing it into keeping it hush or they destroy it. If a star running back was accused of beating his kids, all the newspapers would know not to talk about it too much unless they wanted their league access revoked.
What you're seeing now is the public figuring out the power they have. It's not just that though. It's also the reaction to basically the last 8000 years of human history. 'So what you're saying is that not only can these people no longer cover up their misdeeds, but we can make sure they're punished!? Yes!!!!!"
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The problem with that, generally speaking, it that it's essentially vigilante social justice. The masses overreact to everything now immediately the minute it happens.
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The problem with that, generally speaking, it that it's essentially vigilante social justice. The masses overreact to everything now immediately the minute it happens.
Then people who have power shouldn't be incompetent. If Goodell suspended Rice for six games from the beginning, none of this would have happened.
People give up mob rule under the assumption that governments/courts/arbitrators/authority figures can do a better job. If mob rule is becoming a thing, it's because authority figures are doing a bad job.
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Agreed. I just think the "mob" takes it too far sometimes, declaring an immediate, emotional verdict, even if it flies in the face of facts. Those in charge being held more accountable is never a bad thing, since corruption starts at the top, but the power of social media now is a bit frightening.
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The problem with that, generally speaking, it that it's essentially vigilante social justice. The masses overreact to everything now immediately the minute it happens.
Add to that, it's very quick to overreact and very slow (as in incapable) of self-correcting.
The problem with that, generally speaking, it that it's essentially vigilante social justice. The masses overreact to everything now immediately the minute it happens.
Then people who have power shouldn't be incompetent. If Goodell suspended Rice for six games from the beginning, none of this would have happened.
People give up mob rule under the assumption that governments/courts/arbitrators/authority figures can do a better job. If mob rule is becoming a thing, it's because authority figures are doing a bad job.
Is the role of the authority to make only decisions that people agree with? Sometimes the right call is one that pisses everybody off.
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I've gotta side with EB on this one.
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Is the role of the authority to make only decisions that people agree with? Sometimes the right call is one that pisses everybody off.
Very true.
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Agreed. I just think the "mob" takes it too far sometimes, declaring an immediate, emotional verdict, even if it flies in the face of facts. Those in charge being held more accountable is never a bad thing, since corruption starts at the top, but the power of social media now is a bit frightening.
Not to make this a P/R thing, but no shit! The middle east situations have proved that.
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Is the role of the authority to make only decisions that people agree with? Sometimes the right call is one that pisses everybody off.
I know what you're saying, but the pendulum has swung too far in favor of authority figures making decisions that are purely self-serving.
If you look at Goodell's whole track record with player discipline, it was less about enforcing good behavior than it was signalling that he's a tough guy. The Ray Rice decision was the apotheosis of that. Even if Goodell didn't see the tape, it's likely that he didn't watch it on purpose because he didn't want to have to deal with the consequences of it being horrific. He was trying to create plausible deniability for himself. He wanted to suspend Rice for two games to do him and the Ravens a favor and move on.
I don't see how this kind of corruption is any better than the current situation.
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I work with quite a few Washington fans. And to a man (person) they all feel that Cousins has been the better QB all along, and that RGIII keeps getting chance after chance only because of how much Washington gave up just to sign him. The rest of the country is going to learn which this part of the country has known for quite some time now, Cousins could be great, if given a chance. This is his chance, and he has pieces around him. So if he can't make the most of it, he'll have no one to blame but himself.
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We live in a PC world now. It affects everything in life now. Us old farts just have to get used to it I guess.
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I work with quite a few Washington fans. And to a man (person) they all feel that Cousins has been the better QB all along, and that RGIII keeps getting chance after chance only because of how much Washington gave up just to sign him. The rest of the country is going to learn which this part of the country has known for quite some time now, Cousins could be great, if given a chance. This is his chance, and he has pieces around him. So if he can't make the most of it, he'll have no one to blame but himself.
They both are two, fantastic QBs. Different QBs at that too. If RGIII was healthy, I think he could be one of the most exciting players to watch. He was the most exciting player to watch his rookie year. That being said, I think right now that Cousins is a better QB and this is his time show the world how great he can be. I think the injury RGIII suffered in the playoffs in his rookie year got to him mentally. He lacks confidence and that affects play. But I have no doubt in my mind that RGIII was better that rookie year.
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Us old farts just have to get used to it I guess.
You're not old. You're youth-challenged.
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Us old farts just have to get used to it I guess.
You're not old. You're youth-challenged.
See! Damn PC way of saying it. :lol
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The problem with that, generally speaking, it that it's essentially vigilante social justice. The masses overreact to everything now immediately the minute it happens.
Well members of the general public are obsessed with out-offending and out-righteous each other.
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Anheuser-Busch "Not Yet Satisfied" by NFL response to domestic violence. (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11539004/anheuser-busch-not-yet-satisfied-nfl-handling-recent-player-conduct)
The story talks about how a lot of sponsors are also not pleased with the league.
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Anheuser-Busch "Not Yet Satisfied" by NFL response to domestic violence. (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11539004/anheuser-busch-not-yet-satisfied-nfl-handling-recent-player-conduct)
Ironic considering their portrayal of women in their commercials.
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Yea a beer sponsor seemed like the least likely to respond to this.
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Anheuser-Busch "Not Yet Satisfied" by NFL response to domestic violence. (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11539004/anheuser-busch-not-yet-satisfied-nfl-handling-recent-player-conduct)
Ironic considering their portrayal of women in their commercials.
Of course. But corporate sponsors threatening to pull money is very bad. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like companies don't threaten to do this unless they're serious. You usually don't even get a threat. Nike just pulled its AP stuff from stores without warning.
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LOL. Must be awful for Budweiser to suddenly become associated with wifebeaters.
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LOL. Must be awful for Budweiser to suddenly become associated with wifebeaters.
:clap:
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I'm going to quote EB again because it is worth repeating:
Add to that, it's very quick to overreact and very slow (as in incapable) of self-correcting.
Is the role of the authority to make only decisions that people agree with? Sometimes the right call is one that pisses everybody off.
I can't believe that after the Duke Lacrosse case people are still so quick to demand retribution. Coaches were fired, students reputations were sullied, and a whole lot of innocent people were wrongly punished and put under a magnifying glass because the school capitulated to public outcry, and it turns out the woman made it up because she thought she could get a settlement out of it. I'm not saying that is the case with AP, but dammit we have to get facts before we act - in all parts of life. Acting on accusations is a damned slippery slope and we as a society need to stop doing it. AP isn't going to bring a switch onto the football field and whoop his kid there. While it is being investigated you keep him away from his kid and do the investigation. Unless someone poses a danger to society in general (Aaron Hernandez, players with DUI's), just keep them away from the situation and let the prosecutors and the courts do their job.
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Well when you have rabble rousing cretins like Nancy Grace with TV shows it's hard to quell any kind of incidents like this that come up.
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I can't believe that after the Duke Lacrosse case people are still so quick to demand retribution.
This is the part that worries me. Greg Hardy should have already been suspended because the facts are out there. I understand why people are upset about that.
I don't know what the league is supposed to do about AP and Ray McDonald though. Maybe the NFL's messaging needs work. When the NFL says "we're waiting for the legal process to play out," I think what people hear is "We're hoping that the legal system gives our player a break so we have an excuse not to give out any meaningful punishment." Given that happened with Ray Rice, this is a justifiable fear.
This is why, really, the NFL needs to just fire Goodell. Goodell could cure cancer, and people would blame him for not doing it sooner. If Goodell talks about stuff like innocent until proven guilty, people will assume he's just trying to cover peoples' asses. The NFL needs to start fresh with someone who can build peoples' trust.
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You might well be right about him needing to go, since he's pretty much lost the confidence of everybody. However, the behavior your saddling him with is exactly what he should be doing. Let the legal system play out and quit trying to be a shadow system. If it means you don't have to act, all the better.
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You might well be right about him needing to go, since he's pretty much lost the confidence of everybody. However, the behavior your saddling him with is exactly what he should be doing. Let the legal system play out and quit trying to be a shadow system. If it means you don't have to act, all the better.
Here's the thing though. Let's say it's LeSean McCoy being accused of this and not Adrian Peterson. I don't want to see him on my fucking TV. I don't want to see him score a touchdown and make me wonder if I should be happy that a child abuser did good things for my Football team. What would even be the point of watching the game? "The EAGLES take on the REDSKINS!!!! Will Kirk Cousins thrive in a starting role!? Will LeSean McCoy (who by the way beat his children so hard that they get bruises all over their bodies, including their genitals, in a room specifically designed for doling out the abuse) have another spectacular game? Find out on this edition of FOX NFL SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!"
No chance. I'll see what's on CBS.
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If you judge before you know the facts...that's on you.
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If you judge before you know the facts...that's on you.
The pictures of Peterson's kid having been abused are on the Internet. He was indicted by a grand jury. He didn't deny it in his statement. The specifics haven't been nailed down sufficiently to fairly give out a suspension, but it's unreasonable to believe this is all just made up.
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You might well be right about him needing to go, since he's pretty much lost the confidence of everybody. However, the behavior your saddling him with is exactly what he should be doing. Let the legal system play out and quit trying to be a shadow system. If it means you don't have to act, all the better.
Here's the thing though. Let's say it's LeSean McCoy being accused of this and not Adrian Peterson. I don't want to see him on my fucking TV. I don't want to see him score a touchdown and make me wonder if I should be happy that a child abuser did good things for my Football team. What would even be the point of watching the game? "The EAGLES take on the REDSKINS!!!! Will Kirk Cousins thrive in a starting role!? Will LeSean McCoy (who by the way beat his children so hard that they get bruises all over their bodies, including their genitals, in a room specifically designed for doling out the abuse) have another spectacular game? Find out on this edition of FOX NFL SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!"
No chance. I'll see what's on CBS.
Well first off, I'd be willing to bet that 1/3 of the NFL would easily fail to live up to common expectations if we actually knew what they were up to. Personally I'm under no illusions that these are necessarily good people or even people I'd want to associate with. I don't give a shit. I enjoy football. I assume it's played by a whole lot of assholes. That's that.
Also, if we're allowing some to make the decision for all, then we're basing it on their standards, and more importantly what they think they know. While I'm not exactly keen on the whole concept of our legal system, I trust it a shit-ton more than I do the average twitter user and his associated angry millions. BTW, in this climate do you think Vick (who I'll refer to by name in this one instance) would be allowed to play? I hate the Eagles. Hell, I root every week for their charter jet to crash into the God damned Hudson, but damned if I didn't enjoy every minute of his play when he was kicking ass in that great (but naturally futile) season. Absolutely thrilling, and I find that far more important than maintaining an illusion that the league is made up of great people by a sham shadow justice system forced by angry mobs.
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Well first off, I'd be willing to bet that 1/3 of the NFL would easily fail to live up to common expectations if we actually knew what they were up to.
I dunno. I read the Incognito/Martin texts. Their behavior was depraved, but it wasn't criminal. I figure a lot of guys on the Eagles love strippers, drugs, and having sex with strippers while doing drugs. That's their business. The amount of NFL players involved with criminal activity is probably pretty low.
Personally I'm under no illusions that these are necessarily good people or even people I'd want to associate with. I don't give a shit. I enjoy football. I assume it's played by a whole lot of assholes. That's that.
I'm also totally fine with that.
BTW, in this climate do you think Vick (who I'll refer to by name in this one instance) would be allowed to play?
I'd hope so. He was caught, went to jail, and served his time.
Absolutely thrilling, and I find that far more important than maintaining an illusion that the league is made up of great people by a sham shadow justice system forced by angry mobs.
They can be bad people if they want to be even. I don't care. But isn't there a line? And isn't domestic abuse crossing it?
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I suppose there is a line, but if you're going to leave it up to twitter to sort out when it's crossed for each and every incident then you might as well close up shop and go home.
As for Rice and domestic violence, I think what he did was pretty shitty, but then I'm not married to him, I won't be riding in any elevators with him, and I wasn't personally affected by his behavior. His wife was all three, and she seems to have forgiven him and wants to move on. The Man is perfectly cool with that arrangement with a little counseling thrown in for good measure. My judgement of his actions means precisely jack shit, and frankly, nor should the self-righteous bleating of the mob, and the NFL shouldn't be bullied into caving to them.
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If you judge before you know the facts...that's on you.
The pictures of Peterson's kid having been abused are on the Internet. He was indicted by a grand jury. He didn't deny it in his statement. The specifics haven't been nailed down sufficiently to fairly give out a suspension, but it's unreasonable to believe this is all just made up.
I'm not as in the loop as you are. I watch the games and heard the allegations, and even heard there were pictures...but I was unaware of the degree, or of his admission.
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As for Rice and domestic violence, I think what he did was pretty shitty, but then I'm not married to him, I won't be riding in any elevators with him, and I wasn't personally affected by his behavior. His wife was all three, and she seems to have forgiven him and wants to move on. The Man is perfectly cool with that arrangement with a little counseling thrown in for good measure. My judgement of his actions means precisely jack shit, and frankly, nor should the self-righteous bleating of the mob, and the NFL shouldn't be bullied into caving to them.
Hear! Hear! :clap:
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So now AP is back to being suspended because of the Raddison hotel withdrawal, and this whole thing is now officially fucking stupid. The league really needs to settle in on a policy where they concern themselves with football and let the courts handle criminals.
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So now AP is back to being suspended because of the Raddison hotel withdrawal, and this whole thing is now officially fucking stupid. The league really needs to settle in on a policy where they concern themselves with football and let the courts handle criminals.
And let millionaire child abusers and wife beaters keep playing because that has nothing to do with football?
Zero tolerance. You get accused of something that makes the league look bad, you're suspended until it's resolved. Only reason we have a problem now is because of the inconsistent punishment sent out by the league and the individual teams having to backtrack and panic because the public's just figured out that the NFL has a problem with serial physical abuse.
As for Rice and domestic violence, I think what he did was pretty shitty, but then I'm not married to him, I won't be riding in any elevators with him, and I wasn't personally affected by his behavior. His wife was all three, and she seems to have forgiven him and wants to move on. The Man is perfectly cool with that arrangement with a little counseling thrown in for good measure. My judgement of his actions means precisely jack shit, and frankly, nor should the self-righteous bleating of the mob, and the NFL shouldn't be bullied into caving to them.
Hear! Hear! :clap:
That bolded out part proves you know exactly jack shit about how victims of domestic violence react to things. Speaking as someone who dated a lawyer who does a lot of work with battered women, I can say that with massive authority.
And speaking as a member of the massive bleating mob-HE KNOCKED OUT A WOMAN COLD. COULD HAVE KILLED HER. Who gives a fuck how many fantasy points he might have earned this year? You think he needs to be representing a national sporting league and making millions? I sure as shit don't.
I swear, you guys.
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And let millionaire child abusers and wife beaters keep playing because that has nothing to do with football?
Zero tolerance. You get accused of something that makes the league look bad, you're suspended until it's resolved. Only reason we have a problem now is because of the inconsistent punishment sent out by the league and the individual teams having to backtrack and panic because the public's just figured out that the NFL has a problem with serial physical abuse.
I don't have a definite stance in this matter - on one hand I agree with you, but I also believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Furthermore, how long will it be until key players start being falsely accused to take them out of key games? Don't forget this is a billion dollar business, not a sport.
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Yeah, I can't buy the "She forgave him and is giving him another chance, so we should, too" line of thinking either.
As for the Vikings, it's not just the Raddison. Nike pulled their AP stuff, the governor came out against them, etc. When public sentiment is against you that much, combined with sponsors bailing on you, that kind of money loss AND public backlash is not something the NFL or an NFL franchise wants to happen, so while it is cowardly that it took that for them to do the right thing, barring Peterson until all is settled is the right thing to do.
I still can't believe no one in Carolina is speaking out against Greg Hardy. Is the league asleep at the wheel yet again or what?
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Dating a lawyer makes you a massive authority on domestic violence? Alright then. Does it give you any insight into logic? While it might well be the case that women who are beaten will do irrational shit, is it the case that they will always behave as such? Is it impossible that this was a one-off event and that she actually does want to move forward? If so, then why the fuck aren't we as a society dictating the terms for every single battered woman in the country? They're clearly incapable of thinking for themselves.
And yes, until the millionaire child abuser is convicted of being a child abuser, let him play football. As upsetting as this might be to some people, we don't ostracize people for being charged with a crime.
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As for the Vikings, it's not just the Raddison. Nike pulled their AP stuff, the governor came out against them, etc. When public sentiment is against you that much, combined with sponsors bailing on you, that kind of money loss AND public backlash is not something the NFL or an NFL franchise wants to happen, so while it is cowardly that it took that for them to do the right thing, barring Peterson until all is settled is the right thing to do.
Nike I can understand, and I think that's actually a pretty reasonable control for such things. That hurts AP, and provides incentives for players to toe the line. Going after the league because some of their players are bad people is pointless and sets a bad precedent. And who the fuck cares what the governor of Minnesota thinks about a football player?
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I am up for the idea of suspension with pay for similar cases where there is enough evidence to support the suspension like in AP and RR's cases. This way you cant just accuse people of things to get the off the team. I do think the league needs to take a stance as well and not just sit back like they seem to be doing.
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As for Rice and domestic violence, I think what he did was pretty shitty, but then I'm not married to him, I won't be riding in any elevators with him, and I wasn't personally affected by his behavior. His wife was all three, and she seems to have forgiven him and wants to move on. The Man is perfectly cool with that arrangement with a little counseling thrown in for good measure. My judgement of his actions means precisely jack shit, and frankly, nor should the self-righteous bleating of the mob, and the NFL shouldn't be bullied into caving to them.
Hear! Hear! :clap:
That bolded out part proves you know exactly jack shit about how victims of domestic violence react to things. Speaking as someone who dated a lawyer who does a lot of work with battered women, I can say that with massive authority.
I know plenty about battered women, thanks for the condescension. I also know about grace, compassion, and forgiveness, of which Rice's wife is the only one on earth displaying any. It's also weird that the only person ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THIS INCIDENT is the only one whose voice is being ignored. It seems like everyone else is eager to jump to "battered wife syndrome" so they can put her in that box and chalk up another example and put another notch in the victory column, without ackowledging the fact that life isn't simple, it is very complex, and maybe, just maybe, this isn't a case of a guy repeatedly beating his wife, but both of them having a bad night, and having real reconciliation and forgiveness. That is a matter between them as a couple, and I don't get a vote on that, and neither should anyone else.
And speaking as a member of the massive bleating mob-HE KNOCKED OUT A WOMAN COLD. COULD HAVE KILLED HER. Who gives a fuck how many fantasy points he might have earned this year? You think he needs to be representing a national sporting league and making millions? I sure as shit don't.
I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about Fantasy Football, or about the Baltimore Ravens (no offense, DoC). I think if a guy is accused of a crime, and charges aren't pressed and the matter is dropped (from a legal perspective), there is only so much that should be done by his workplace, virtually regardless of what that workplace is. That's how every other citizen in America would be treated by their job. I don't care that he makes millions, that is irrelevant.
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This whole thing is now officially fucking stupid.
Now this I agree with
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If they are willing to work it out who am I to think it's not genuine. That being said, if there is a pattern as a second offense for the same issue then the league needs to take action.
Though, from what the report is, he spat on her twice and the way he walked over her and dragged her out does not look like a guy that had any remorse for what he did.
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Drunk people are never remorseful (until the next day, that is).
And the reports I've read seem to be all over the place. I haven't heard about him spitting on her, but I did read she spat at him before he clocked her. Part of the problem is that the video isn't good enough to show precisely what happened. It's just good enough to allow people to fill in blanks in their own preconceptions.
And I agree about a pattern. If this were an ongoing thing I'd be less inclined to take her sincerity at face value. As far as anybody knows this is a one-off offense.
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Courts should handle this.
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These "mob rule" mentality reminds me of the witch trials. Basically, they are screaming he is a witch and are accusing him and automatically considering him one without the facts.
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As for Rice and domestic violence, I think what he did was pretty shitty, but then I'm not married to him, I won't be riding in any elevators with him, and I wasn't personally affected by his behavior. His wife was all three, and she seems to have forgiven him and wants to move on. The Man is perfectly cool with that arrangement with a little counseling thrown in for good measure. My judgement of his actions means precisely jack shit, and frankly, nor should the self-righteous bleating of the mob, and the NFL shouldn't be bullied into caving to them.
Hear! Hear! :clap:
That bolded out part proves you know exactly jack shit about how victims of domestic violence react to things. Speaking as someone who dated a lawyer who does a lot of work with battered women, I can say that with massive authority.
I know plenty about battered women, thanks for the condescension. I also know about grace, compassion, and forgiveness, of which Rice's wife is the only one on earth displaying any. It's also weird that the only person ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THIS INCIDENT is the only one whose voice is being ignored. It seems like everyone else is eager to jump to "battered wife syndrome" so they can put her in that box and chalk up another example and put another notch in the victory column, without ackowledging the fact that life isn't simple, it is very complex, and maybe, just maybe, this isn't a case of a guy repeatedly beating his wife, but both of them having a bad night, and having real reconciliation and forgiveness. That is a matter between them as a couple, and I don't get a vote on that, and neither should anyone else.
And speaking as a member of the massive bleating mob-HE KNOCKED OUT A WOMAN COLD. COULD HAVE KILLED HER. Who gives a fuck how many fantasy points he might have earned this year? You think he needs to be representing a national sporting league and making millions? I sure as shit don't.
I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about Fantasy Football, or about the Baltimore Ravens (no offense, DoC). I think if a guy is accused of a crime, and charges aren't pressed and the matter is dropped (from a legal perspective), there is only so much that should be done by his workplace, virtually regardless of what that workplace is. That's how every other citizen in America would be treated by their job. I don't care that he makes millions, that is irrelevant.
None taken. I understand the context of your words, and echo them.
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What a bad year for NFL RBs and domestic violence. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/arizona-cardinals-rb-jonathan-dwyer-charged-assault-n205781 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/arizona-cardinals-rb-jonathan-dwyer-charged-assault-n205781) Maybe there's a correlation...
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These "mob rule" mentality reminds me of the witch trials. Basically, they are screaming he is a witch and are accusing him and automatically considering him one without the facts.
With Peterson, yeah. The difference with Ray Rice is we ALLLL saw it.
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Does anyone else think this discussion is starting to tread into P/R territory, and think that opinions on this matter should have it's own thread? I'd like this to actually be talk about FOOTBALL.
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Agreed. The lack of discussion about the Saints' shortcomings is appalling.
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QB's on Facebook is still funny!! How about the latest one to get back on track?
https://profootballmock.com/facebookchat/nfl-qbs-on-facebook-be-very-afraid/
:angel:
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Yeah, I caught up on the FB QB chats on Monday. Some of the pre-season ones were pretty good too. That's how they go though... they start really good, then get pretty stale by about mid-season. Big Ben still gives me a chuckle the most I think.
BECAUSE ALL HE DOES IS STATE THE OBVIOUS
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The Saints are awful.
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BBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
Seriously the funniest NFL themed video I have ever seen. (and not just because I'm a Seahawks fan...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXlrKSzVxiE
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Why in the world is a Lovie Smith coached team kicking it to Devin Hester.
35-0, 2nd Qtr.
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lol Bucs. I thought they were supposed to be decent this year? Either they're turd-herders, or Atlanta has returned to form. Could be a combination of both, but man this is an embarrassing performance for the Bucs.
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Crappy game. Not just because Tampa sucks but the penalties, just like every other game I've watched this season, have been stupidly intrusive. You've always had some teams that are undisciplined, and some games where both teams do stupid shit, but then add 5x more defensive holding calls and it just becomes unbearable. People are bitching about the NFL for all of the wrong right now.
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Christ, now the scrubs are beating up on Tampa. Seems to me that now that the backups are in you might want to shoot for the record. Falcons are only 17 pts away. As inept as Tampa is the scrubs could probably do it by accident.
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The thing I don't get is why all defensive penalties have to result in an automatic 1st down? That's not necessary. Give them the 5 yards, and redo the down. Offenses with a 3rd and 19 shouldn't get an 1st down just because some O-lineman got his hand up in the face during the pass rush.
Anyway, this game is now way past embarrassing. I think a high school team could fare better than TB at this point. This has to be a low point for Lovie's career.
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LOL TB. I should've picked the Falcons in the survivor.
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Hindsight is 20/20.
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Good thing Lovie Smith is considered a defensive guru, otherwise that game could have really gotten out of hand.
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The NFL really needs to shelve Thursday night football unless it is the first week of the season, or both teams are coming off byes, because these games historically suck due to teams being on short weeks. They are sloppy and somewhat lethargic.
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Yeah... and tell me ANYONE can give a shit about next week's WAS-NYG matchup.
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Glad we got such a good game last night. WTF
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Yeah... and tell me ANYONE can give a shit about next week's WAS-NYG matchup.
I do, Giants fan, thats why, otherwise, yea who cares.
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Checked in last night at 28-0.
Turned the channel.
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I feel bad for Lovie, really likable coach.
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So is there anything whatsoever that Roger could say this afternoon that won't result in another raging shitstorm? I'm not saying get him off the hook, mind you. Just prevent another week of everyone and their dog complaining about how awful he is.
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I'm out of the loop today. Is he having a press conference?
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So is there anything whatsoever that Roger could say this afternoon that won't result in another raging shitstorm? I'm not saying get him off the hook, mind you. Just prevent another week of everyone and their dog complaining about how awful he is.
Probably not.
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I ask because we have not heard a peep from him since his staged interview on TV.
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Thursday Night Football just flat out sucks. Even the season opener was a snooze fest. It doesn't have the same vibe as the weekend games, Sunday or Monday Night. I don't think this will change.
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It won't, because another night of football means a lot more cash for the league. Ideally, they ought to move it to Friday night, but they won't cause they don't want to step on the toes of high school football.
It seemed like a good move to make all of the Thursday night games divisional games, but what we have seen the last two weeks is when divisional opponents know each other that well, the home team gets a tremendous advantage with the short week, even bigger than the home team would normally get.
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Goodell is doing terrible up there. Big surprise there.
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Goodell is doing terrible up there. Big surprise there.
Well, at least he's up there taking the questions. These are not softballs.
But he cannot be that dumb. "hey, let's form a committee!" yippee.
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Within a span of 5 minutes, he badly contradicted himself. When someone brought the fact that the court record given to him in June stated that Ray Rice struck his then fiance and knocked her unconsciousness, he admitted to reading that and said that it was terrible. Then a few minutes later, when the TMZ guy was asking him a question Goodell said that the suspension was extended after the release of the 2nd video because new information came to light.
Really?
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I'm surprised they let the TMZ guy in! :lol
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Goodell reading from his prepared statement was pathetic. I get that he needed one to hit all of the points he wanted to make, bit it sounded so rehearsed, so stiff. Why not just jot down some bullet points and talk from the heart?
As for his answering questions, he did so much ducking and dodging, he should play for Average Joe's.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QK6vRyJyLg
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QK6vRyJyLg
:rollin :rollin :rollin
So that was just a stunt by a Howard Stern cronie? That's lame.
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As for his answering questions, he did so much ducking and dodging, he should play for Average Joe's.
:lol
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QB's on Facebook is still funny!! How about the latest one to get back on track?
https://profootballmock.com/facebookchat/nfl-qbs-on-facebook-be-very-afraid/
:angel:
"Still?" When were they ever funny? ???
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I'm surprised they let the TMZ guy in! continue to steal oxygen from the segment of society that isn't repugnant and utterly worthless chunks of matinee shit. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QK6vRyJyLg
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I was in our break room watching goodell when that happened and was cracking up so hard. Its really not that funny in and of itself, but seeing it live was great.
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ESPN reporting that John Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice after the FIRST video was released, but the Ravens front office wouldn't have it.
Faith in Harbaugh, same as it ever was.
Faith in the Ravens organization..... damn.
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QB's on Facebook is still funny!! How about the latest one to get back on track?
https://profootballmock.com/facebookchat/nfl-qbs-on-facebook-be-very-afraid/
:angel:
"Still?" When were they ever funny? ???
Carson Palmer: What if the Cardinals win the west?
Colin Kaepernick:Then we’ll all need extra strong umbrellas to protect us from the showers of hog s*** that will be pouring down from the flocks of flying pigs blackening the sky.
Sorry, but yes. I thought that was freakin hilarious!
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Oh, you're right. My bad. Funniest thing ever. Not sure what I have been thinking all this time.
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oh...you... ;D :P
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ESPN reporting that John Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice after the FIRST video was released, but the Ravens front office wouldn't have it.
Faith in Harbaugh, same as it ever was.
Faith in the Ravens organization..... damn.
It sounds like Goodell is good pals with Steve Bisciotti, and that that friendship is why he went soft on Rice with the initial 2-game suspension.
Those texts Bisciotti sent Rice are most interesting as well.
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
Go Browns!! :metal
:lol
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
You would make a good Panthers fan.
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Back off, Remy. The Oilers have first dibs.
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
First I was going to say that was silly. Hell, Michael Irvin's off the field antics made me like him and the team even more. But then I stopped being a longtime Cowboy fan in 2010 because of the shameful character of the organization. I can certainly relate to ditching a team because the ownership/management are rotten. I wouldn't abandon my favorite team because of one player, or even bad decisions by shitty management. If I decided that they really didn't reflect what I like about football, though, that'd be a different story.
And that (along with that Godlike bastard of a coach of theirs) is why I'm a Patriots fan. That's a class act of an organization. After following a team run by Jerry Jones for so long moving to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick was just a pleasure.
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Yeah, if you take away that whole Spygate thing, the Patriots are just the definition of class. :rollin :rollin
And let's not forget how many times Belichick has acted like a crybaby sore loser following a playoff loss. Class? Even if you take away Spygate, that's still freaking rich.
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Billy B? No he has not but he runs one hell of a smooth ship.
Robert Kraft. 100% class all the way.
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ESPN reporting that John Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice after the FIRST video was released, but the Ravens front office wouldn't have it.
Faith in Harbaugh, same as it ever was.
Faith in the Ravens organization..... damn.
Why though? I don't care what Harbough originally wanted, nothing changes that he came out and said he stood behind Rice, calling him a heck of a guy.
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Yeah, if you take away that whole Spygate thing, the Patriots are just the definition of class. :rollin :rollin
And let's not forget how many times Belichick has acted like a crybaby sore loser following a playoff loss. Class? Even if you take away Spygate, that's still freaking rich.
Kev, I would never try and change your mind about the Pats and SpyGate. Belichick does some dirty work, and he's an SOB for sure. And you know what, I think there's some skeletons in Kraft's closet too.
But I think as an organization, they're pretty classy. And generally stand for the right things. I'm not saying they're classier than anyone else, as I'm not close to any other team.
But Jerry Jones..he sucks! :lol
I'm a casual football fan, so I'm not a Mr. gung ho Pats fan.
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Spygate was a complete non-event. If anybody thinks their team isn't doing stuff just as shady they're either stunningly naive or their team just isn't trying hard enough. As for Belichick being a sore loser, I'm not a fan because of his charming demeanor. In fact, I find it rather refreshing that his public perception is so completely meaningless to him. His players respect him. Other players and coaches respect him. Non-Patirots fans and reporters hate him. My kind of guy. Besides which, as others have supported, the Patriots is a class organization. I'm surprised when somebody would suggest otherwise.
And Andy Dalton just caught a TD pass. Always love seeing that.
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These defensive hold calls are getting ridiculous.
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Dennis Pitta just went down untouched after catching a pass. Had to be carted off. Looks like it might have to do with his previous hip injury. I feel really bad for him.
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Yankees not making the postseason* is going to make it hard to not watch NFL. But man, I gotta stick to my goons. Goodell is a fucking goon and he needs to go.
*mathematically not eliminated, but fuck it, they ain't makin it
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Billy B? No he has not but he runs one hell of a smooth ship.
Robert Kraft. 100% class all the way.
I don't know enough about Kraft to say one way or the other, but I just know that, despite being a great coach, Belichick is a major jerk. This is a guy who walked off the field instead of congratulating Tom Coughlin when they lost the Super Bowl following the '07 season. He wouldn't know what class is if someone took a running shot of it with one of his own cameras.
Yeah, if you take away that whole Spygate thing, the Patriots are just the definition of class. :rollin :rollin
And let's not forget how many times Belichick has acted like a crybaby sore loser following a playoff loss. Class? Even if you take away Spygate, that's still freaking rich.
Kev, I would never try and change your mind about the Pats and SpyGate. Belichick does some dirty work, and he's an SOB for sure. And you know what, I think there's some skeletons in Kraft's closet too.
But I think as an organization, they're pretty classy. And generally stand for the right things. I'm not saying they're classier than anyone else, as I'm not close to any other team.
But Jerry Jones..he sucks! :lol
I'm a casual football fan, so I'm not a Mr. gung ho Pats fan.
Well sure, compared to Jerry Jones, many are gonna look classy. :lol :lol
Spygate was a complete non-event. If anybody thinks their team isn't doing stuff just as shady they're either stunningly naive or their team just isn't trying hard enough. As for Belichick being a sore loser, I'm not a fan because of his charming demeanor. In fact, I find it rather refreshing that his public perception is so completely meaningless to him. His players respect him. Other players and coaches respect him. Non-Patirots fans and reporters hate him. My kind of guy. Besides which, as others have supported, the Patriots is a class organization. I'm surprised when somebody would suggest otherwise.
Hahahahaha, that's a good one. You're really gonna use the "everybody does it" excuse? Because all gamesmanship and cheating is created equal, right? The fact that Belichick did it and was caught right after the league sent out a memo saying that teams not do it, was the height of arrogance.
Let me know when the Belichick/Brady duo win a Super Bowl post-Spygate. ;)
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Spygate was a complete non-event. If anybody thinks their team isn't doing stuff just as shady they're either stunningly naive or their team just isn't trying hard enough. As for Belichick being a sore loser, I'm not a fan because of his charming demeanor. In fact, I find it rather refreshing that his public perception is so completely meaningless to him. His players respect him. Other players and coaches respect him. Non-Patirots fans and reporters hate him. My kind of guy. Besides which, as others have supported, the Patriots is a class organization. I'm surprised when somebody would suggest otherwise.
And Andy Dalton just caught a TD pass. Always love seeing that.
This is just stupifying to me. If I honestly thought the ENTIRE league was THAT corrupt...I promise you I would be completely done with football.
And don't start with the Seahawks figuring out Manning's signals, because that was something that was on film where ANYONE could see it....the Seahawks were simply the first ones who noticed he had a pattern.
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Plus, Seattle has the personnel to stop an immobile QB like Peyton.
The fact that the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since Spygate is telling. Think of it this way: just that little bit of cheating can be the difference between barely winning and barely losing. Their three Super Bowl wins, they barely won. Their two Super Bowl losses post-Spygate, they barely lost. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. :corn
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Kev, listen. It's not like the Pats post Spyglass haven't had a better record. Why Haven't They won? Their D is not that good. Hell, they've been bad. When a team reliespecially on one side (O or D), tears can stop you in big games where the competition is equal. That not Spyglass is the reason.
This year, their o-line is pathetic.
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Okay, but in most of their playoff losses since Spygate, the offense is what struggled, not the defense:
17-14 (the greatest offense ever at the time scored 14 pts)
33-14 (the offense had like three or four turnovers in the first Q, leading to the early 24-0 deficit)
28-21 (but this was really a low-scoring game, but both teams scored a lot late...it was 21-14, until the Jets scored after an onside kick late, and NE threw in a garbage score at the very end)
21-17 (the offense was blanked after scoring on the first possession of the 2nd half)
28-13 (the offense was shut out at home in the second half)
26-16 (the offense had 3 points until it was 23-3 Denver in the 4th)
16 points per game from an offense featuring an all-time great QB isn't gonna get it done come playoff time.
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The first game in 2007 the Giants deserve all the credit. Everything else is a very good O with a very bad D. I think last year's ST should explain that to you.
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The bottom line is, regardless of how good or bad the offenses and defenses were those years, the Patriots offense has underachieved big time in every playoff loss they've had in the Brady/Belichick era. It's not like they are going out and losing 37-34 games in the playoffs. Belichick is a crafty enough defensive coach to get good games out of mediocre defenses at the right times.
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The bottom line is, regardless of how good or bad the offenses and defenses were those years, the Patriots offense has underachieved big time in every playoff loss they've had in the Brady/Belichick era. It's not like they are going out and losing 37-34 games in the playoffs. Belichick is a crafty enough defensive coach to get good games out of mediocre defenses at the right times.
Brady has been very underwhelming in the playoff over the last half dozen years.
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Green Bay....we're in for a long season ... :angry:
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No doubt in the playoffs Kev. Hell, I'm not happy about their line play this year.
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That was the cheapest shot on Foles I've ever seen.
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Hell, I'm not happy about their line play this year.
It sure sucked today.
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Tough loss to the Chargers today. EJ has his moments, but he's still making a lot questionable decisions. We have the tools, I think EJ just needs to get a full season, not hampered with injury to truly see if he's the guy to lead the Bills.
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Green Bay....we're in for a long season ... :angry:
No shit... trying not to overreact, but this is very discouraging. For once we can't complain at the defense (10 points against Detroit is quite good I think) but the offense has been stinking for 3 games now except the second half vs the Jets. Rodgers is a shell of himself and the offensive playcalling has been nothing short of atrocious.
I'm trying to keep my composure, hopefully the offense will also turn it around... but man, talk about a bleak outlook.
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Curious fact about the Pats/Raiders game: every point was scored by someone who's last name ended in "-kowski". :lol
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Curious fact about the Pats/Raiders game: every point was scored by someone who's last name ended in "-kowski". :lol
Racist!! :lol
Kev, so what does that have to do with Spygate ? We can all point out that Denver hasn't won a SB since that Denver skirted the cap rules and was charged with a draft pick. We both can play that game.
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I don't even like being on the plus side of horrible calls like that one. >:(
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Whoa! The Cards are beating the Niners????
Don't tell me the 2 dog fight in the west will be the Seahawks and the Cards....
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Part of me is thrilled to see the Niners choke away another one, but this one costs me a point; lousy bastards. I was expecting a complete collapse this season, and a couple of silly losses is exactly how that can come about. They're just not as good as they think the hype and I think there's a good chance they start to turn on each other.
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Whoa! The Cards are beating the Niners????
Don't tell me the 2 dog fight in the west will be the Seahawks and the Cards....
Well before the season, I had Seattle and Arizona finishing 1/2. But before the injuries, I had Arizona going to the Super Bowl.
Either way, I think SF is a 3rd place team in this division, given all of their issues.
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber. He's insanely talented and a nice guy by all accounts, but damn if he didn't just throw into triple coverage in a high pressure situation.
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber. He's insanely talented and a nice guy by all accounts, but damn if he didn't just throw into triple coverage in a high pressure situation.
Said that just a minute too soon it seems.
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber. He's insanely talented and a nice guy by all accounts, but damn if he didn't just throw into triple coverage in a high pressure situation.
Said that just a minute too soon it seems.
Absolutely... that was a hell of a drive to tie it up.
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That was the cheapest shot on Foles I've ever seen.
That was out of control.
I love that the Eagles are winning their games, but god damn they make me so nervous. Every game has been such a nail-biter.
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Speaking of nail biters...
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...and I'll go so far as to say that the new OT rules favor Denver in this situation...
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You know what? I'm GLAD that happened!
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God damn that Russel Wilson is fun to watch.
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Beast Mode up the middle to win it. That had to be exciting for Seattle fans. A little too close for comfort, but exciting none the less.
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LOL 9ers. Out scored 52-3 in the 2nd half this season. Lead the league with 36 penalties. Wow, and poor sports to boot just like their coach. Keep up the good work. :p
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber.
Not sure if you were actually serious with this, but that is just a ridiculous thing to say :facepalm:
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Beast Mode up the middle to win it. That had to be exciting for Seattle fans. A little too close for comfort, but exciting none the less.
Being from Seattle, I've just rarely seen a local team that *answers a challenge*.... So yes, I'm glad that Denver tied it up, because it's times like that where you have to live up to the hype, or fold. Teams are going to be stepping up to play the world champions this year, and you're never going to repeat unless you are able to get out of situations like that one.
(the '95 Mariners will remain the exception....damn those guys were amazing)
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I'm glad Seattle won if for no other reason than I picked them in my work football pool.
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God damn that Russel Wilson is fun to watch.
That whole team is a blast to watch.
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber.
Not sure if you were actually serious with this, but that is just a ridiculous thing to say :facepalm:
Not ridiculous at all. He has a reputation of choking in high pressure situations.
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber.
Not sure if you were actually serious with this, but that is just a ridiculous thing to say :facepalm:
He has a reputation of choking in high pressure situations.
That I can agree with, but to imply that he doesn't have "an ounce of clutch in his fiber" is just wrong.
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
First I was going to say that was silly. Hell, Michael Irvin's off the field antics made me like him and the team even more. But then I stopped being a longtime Cowboy fan in 2010 because of the shameful character of the organization. I can certainly relate to ditching a team because the ownership/management are rotten. I wouldn't abandon my favorite team because of one player, or even bad decisions by shitty management. If I decided that they really didn't reflect what I like about football, though, that'd be a different story.
And that (along with that Godlike bastard of a coach of theirs) is why I'm a Patriots fan. That's a class act of an organization. After following a team run by Jerry Jones for so long moving to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick was just a pleasure.
lol, that was quite a lead in for "I'm a front runner now".
But I do get it. It's hard to walk away from a team, once your a fan. I just tend to be suspect of people when they pick new teams to be fans of who are actually very good teams. I guess it just takes more than a few years for me to belive someone is really a fan of another team.
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That was a great 2nd half of the Sea-Den game. 3rd quarter was a defensive masterpiece by both teams, and a great comeback by the Bronco's. Then, that OT drive... absolutely flawless. Great game.
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Of course Peyton is clutch. It is silly to say or imply otherwise. For every "big" game where he supposedly choked, I can point to 10 where he came up big.
Anyway, great game today. A win would have been nice obviously, but the Broncos basically went toe to toe with the champs and lost because of a coin flip. That's not bad at all.
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Of course Peyton is clutch. It is silly to say or imply otherwise. For every "big" game where he supposedly choked, I can point to 10 where he came up big.
Anyway, great game today. A win would have been nice obviously, but the Broncos basically went toe to toe with the champs and lost because of a coin flip. That's not bad at all.
Ugh. I hate it when people do that. Not because of the Seahawks today, but simply blaming it on the coin toss instead of crediting the winning team.
Didn't we change the OT rules just to make it EVEN HARDER for the first team with the ball? Didn't we debate over and over again when they did change the rules that the statistics DISPROVE that the first team with the ball is at an unfair advantage? Hadn't the Broncos at one point in the game punted on 5 consecutive drives?
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No, I give Seattle credit for the win. Great job in scoring a touchdown on the first drive of OT. It just sucks that we didn't get to see Peyton against that D again after he torched them at the end of regulation. They looked shaken and I would have love to have seen how that would have gone after that...
And I know I wasn't the only one who enjoyed seeing Demaryius Thomas burn Richard Sherman on the game-tying 2-pointer. :tup :tup
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And I know I wasn't the only one who enjoyed seeing Demaryius Thomas burn Richard Sherman on the game-tying 2-pointer. :tup :tup
It helps to have a QB who actually knows where and how to throw the ball :lol
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I wish that Peyton Manning had an ounce of clutch in his fiber.
Not sure if you were actually serious with this, but that is just a ridiculous thing to say :facepalm:
He has a reputation of choking in high pressure situations.
That I can agree with, but to imply that he doesn't have "an ounce of clutch in his fiber" is just wrong.
You're right.... I went way too far saying that right after it happened. In hindsight, he had a heck of a game against that team in that building.
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Panthers, come on.
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I know not having Greg Hardy is big, but getting gashed like that in the running game? That was crazy.
I'd love to see a Philly/Seattle NFCCG. I'd be curious to see how well that Chip Kelly offense would do against the Seattle D.
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I know not having Greg Hardy is big, but getting gashed like that in the running game? That was crazy.
The whole world knew they would run between the tackles, but somehow we never had anyone in position there. Linemen, linebackers, safeties, nada.
Not to mention that the OL let Newton take a beating. And that double fuckup by Philly Brown (a muff and a fumble on the same play leading to a TD for Pittsburgh) just killed us.
It looked like the only Panther who really played up to potential was the rookie Kelvin Benjamin.
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I know not having Greg Hardy is big, but getting gashed like that in the running game? That was crazy.
The whole world knew they would run between the tackles, but somehow we never had anyone in position there. Linemen, linebackers, safeties, nada.
Not to mention that the OL let Newton take a beating. And that double fuckup by Philly Brown (a muff and a fumble on the same play leading to a TD for Pittsburgh) just killed us.
It looked like the only Panther who really played up to potential was the rookie Kelvin Benjamin.
The win last night restored my faith in the Steelers but yeah Benjamin is a beast.
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Greg Olsen's beyond-easily-read lips following the muffed/fumbled punt for TD were just plain hilarious. Weird that NBC chose to replay it in slow motion, however, since networks used to even occasionally blur the mouths of obviously cursing athletes. I loved it though since I think even regular censorship is pointless any way.
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It's been a while since the Steelers O-line just road graded another team like that. And I love the Bell is patient enough to let them do it. Holding up in pass pro is also a nice change of pace. However, I fear for the back end now. Taylor was in decline and had Teflon clubs for hands, but he was savvy and could hold his own against most teams #1's. Polamalu is also not 2009 vintage, I don't trust Mitchell not to make at least one bonehead play and take one bonehead penalty a game, or whatever ragtag group of nickel and dime back we got now. Any team with a decent QB should just go 5 wide and gash the secondary to bits like the 2002 Pats did.
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Congrats on dat upcoming 8000th post, Mace!
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It looked like the only Panther who really played up to potential was the rookie Kelvin Benjamin.
Greg Olsen had a pretty good game as well. That TD catch was a fantastic play all around.
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https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/09/22/necessary-roughness-week-3-hello-alternate-universe-panthers-still-undefeated/
Paul Waggoner from Between the Buried & Me picked up the flaming torch after Dave Brockie's untimely and unfortunate death, and now runs the Necessary Roughness football analysis post for Metalsucks. Guy has some tight thoughts, and is worth a read.
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Moron of the year: Stephen Tulloch of the Lions. He blew his ACL out while mocking Aaron Rodgers' discount double check thing. Granted, his knee was probably about to go anyway if it tore after something like that, but still, the guy looks like a total moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnlsV_bw9xM
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Holy crap :facepalm:
Probably best just not to mock people.
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Moron of the year: Stephen Tulloch of the Lions. He blew his ACL out while mocking Aaron Rodgers' discount double check thing. Granted, his knee was probably about to go anyway if it tore after something like that, but still, the guy looks like a total moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnlsV_bw9xM
I never would have guessed that he was doing the dicsount double check thing, but then I never even knew what that was supposed to be (does Rogers do it after scoring or something?). Still, that's ripe. Certainly on par with Gramatica, which I always considered the pinnacle of injurious stupidity.
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Actually, I think it's the championship belt thing Rodgers does, but I remember the one commercial where the guy was doing it at Rodgers through a window real obnoxiously :lol, so it can be considered either or.
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Moron of the year: Stephen Tulloch of the Lions. He blew his ACL out while mocking Aaron Rodgers' discount double check thing. Granted, his knee was probably about to go anyway if it tore after something like that, but still, the guy looks like a total moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnlsV_bw9xM
:lol
Suckah!!
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When did Bill Gramatica become a linebacker? Original:(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gramatica-celebration-injury-gif.gif)
Tulloch: (https://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/866578864.gif)
And, while we are on celebrations that caused injuries, let's not forget this gem: (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/__kg1WC-lWe0/TSc0UTifaUI/AAAAAAAACKo/cC2UEnVumcw/s1600/frerotteheadbutt.gif)
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Yeah that Ferotte one was hilarious!
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
First I was going to say that was silly. Hell, Michael Irvin's off the field antics made me like him and the team even more. But then I stopped being a longtime Cowboy fan in 2010 because of the shameful character of the organization. I can certainly relate to ditching a team because the ownership/management are rotten. I wouldn't abandon my favorite team because of one player, or even bad decisions by shitty management. If I decided that they really didn't reflect what I like about football, though, that'd be a different story.
And that (along with that Godlike bastard of a coach of theirs) is why I'm a Patriots fan. That's a class act of an organization. After following a team run by Jerry Jones for so long moving to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick was just a pleasure.
lol, that was quite a lead in for "I'm a front runner now".
But I do get it. It's hard to walk away from a team, once your a fan. I just tend to be suspect of people when they pick new teams to be fans of who are actually very good teams. I guess it just takes more than a few years for me to belive someone is really a fan of another team.
I never thought that I'd consider rooting for another team once we got the Ravens. But if I ever did, I would pick one of the teams that have yet to win a Super Bowl/NFL Championship. I wouldn't want to inherit a back catalog of championships. Ground floor.
I keep asking myself if other teams would have handled this situation as poorly as the Ravens have..... but it doesn't matter, what's done is done.
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^ I dare you to start with the Jags
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^ I dare you to start with the Jags
You're mean.
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^ I dare you to start with the Jags
They would definitely be on the short list. They've got new ownership. I believe in their coach and what he's trying to build. And I actually like the new unis/helmets.
Steve Bisciotti's press conference was much better than Goodell's. He didn't script anything, and he didn't shy away from any of the questions. If he's telling the truth, and the OTL report is BS, then I can rest easy. I feel that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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I never thought that I'd consider rooting for another team once we got the Ravens. But if I ever did, I would pick one of the teams that have yet to win a Super Bowl/NFL Championship. I wouldn't want to inherit a back catalog of championships. Ground floor.
Or you could, you know, just pick a team based simply on whether you just like the team, regardless fo whether or not they have won anything before. It's really okay just to like things.
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I agree. I'm annoyed by bandwagoneers who try to boast for a team they only picked because they were already in the top echelon but, if that's your reasoning, there's no reason to obligatorily opt for the polar opposite.
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While I hope for the NFL's sake the OTL report is not accurate, my hunch is that it is for several reasons. 1) Credibility for journalists is like virginity, once you lose it you never get it back. If the reporters can't substantiate claims, they are relegated to the local tabloid press. That is why almost everything in it either is verifiable (text message and phone records), or backed up by multiple sources. Number one with a bullet. 2) ESPN doesn't want to lose future earnings by doing a hatchet job for ratings today. The shield won't hold it against ESPN for revealing legit dirt, but I don't doubt they would freeze them out of future negotiations if they felt ESPN's report didn't hold water. Just look at what the league was ready to do over the show Playmakers 10 years ago. 3) The Ravens are in CYA mode, and for legal reasons are going to publicly deny everything.
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While I hope for the NFL's sake the OTL report is not accurate, my hunch is that it is for several reasons. 1) Credibility for journalists is like virginity, once you lose it you never get it back. If the reporters can't substantiate claims, they are relegated to the local tabloid press. That is why almost everything in it either is verifiable (text message and phone records), or backed up by multiple sources. Number one with a bullet. 2) ESPN doesn't want to lose future earnings by doing a hatchet job for ratings today. The shield won't hold it against ESPN for revealing legit dirt, but I don't doubt they would freeze them out of future negotiations if they felt ESPN's report didn't hold water. Just look at what the league was ready to do over the show Playmakers 10 years ago. 3) The Ravens are in CYA mode, and for legal reasons are going to publicly deny everything.
That all makes perfect sense.
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1) Credibility for journalists is like virginity, once you lose it you never get it back.
Although what you say is true, the unfortunate thing is that it simply doesn't matter. As a whole, I would consider journalism (in this country anyway) to be, by far, the most dishonest profession, ahead of politics, law, and movers. Many, many reporters are severaly lacking in integrity. So I consider your point #1 to be a complete nonissue.
2) ESPN doesn't want to lose future earnings by doing a hatchet job for ratings today.
I am not so sure they would lose future earnings. They have become little more than a sports-related tabloid.
3) The Ravens are in CYA mode, and for legal reasons are going to publicly deny everything.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that some or all of the denials aren't true.
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As far as future earnings go, the NFL could decline renewing Disney's MNF package. I'm sure that there wouldn't be a shortage of bidders for that package.
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My point was simply that I doubt the NFL will pull anything from ESPN. ESPN has been in the toilet for a long time, and the NFL hasn't pulled anything from them. I do not see why this would be any different.
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Wow...that last drive... smh...
Geno didn't look quite as bad as everyone had thought in the first two weeks, but he's positively IMPLODING right now. I'm betting Vick will get the ball before the first half is over if this keeps up.
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Remember that scene from Major League when they ask the manager "Shall we take him out?"...."Nah! Let's see how he handles the pressure."
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https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl (https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl)
If most of this is true, the owners need to fire Goodell with a rocket up his ass, and Biscotti needs to hammered by a new commish and forced to clean house in the front office. It is a shame that fines on the front office are capped at $500,000, because that means any effective punishment of Biscotti is going to effect the product on the field, and it really shouldn't beyond the release of Rice.
If most of this is true, I may no longer choose to identify myself as a Ravens fan. And that's something that I never thought I'd consider once the NFL came back to Baltimore.
First I was going to say that was silly. Hell, Michael Irvin's off the field antics made me like him and the team even more. But then I stopped being a longtime Cowboy fan in 2010 because of the shameful character of the organization. I can certainly relate to ditching a team because the ownership/management are rotten. I wouldn't abandon my favorite team because of one player, or even bad decisions by shitty management. If I decided that they really didn't reflect what I like about football, though, that'd be a different story.
And that (along with that Godlike bastard of a coach of theirs) is why I'm a Patriots fan. That's a class act of an organization. After following a team run by Jerry Jones for so long moving to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick was just a pleasure.
lol, that was quite a lead in for "I'm a front runner now".
But I do get it. It's hard to walk away from a team, once your a fan. I just tend to be suspect of people when they pick new teams to be fans of who are actually very good teams. I guess it just takes more than a few years for me to belive someone is really a fan of another team.
I never thought that I'd consider rooting for another team once we got the Ravens. But if I ever did, I would pick one of the teams that have yet to win a Super Bowl/NFL Championship. I wouldn't want to inherit a back catalog of championships. Ground floor.
I keep asking myself if other teams would have handled this situation as poorly as the Ravens have..... but it doesn't matter, what's done is done.
I can't even begin to fathom not identifying myself as an Eagles fan. It makes me sad that you'd give up on your team. I'm not judging, because your reasons are certainly warranted, but I'm so glad this drama isn't happening to my team.
The closest thing we had to this is when the Eagles signed Michael Vick. I know quite a few people who boycotted the team after that. I personally never considered jumping ship, or stopped watching the games, but I was pretty bummed when I learned he was an Eagle- I hated that the organization I loved would associate with someone like that. But he turned out to be a really great addition to the team (at least for awhile)- and shitty character notwithstanding, I'll take an Eagles win however I can get one.
By the way, the Eagles have never won a super bowl... I'd be happy to welcome you to our club. :rollin :mehlin
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The only reason to call your final timeout when the other team is running out the clock and you won't be able to stop them is that you're a colossal dick? What, you just want to put off your loss for another 30 seconds?
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While I wouldn't be happy if the Steelers signed a player with the notoriety of Vick or Ray Rice, I wouldn't like it, but it is just one player and not necessarily the face of the franchise. You can always support the other 52 players and coaching staff and secretly wish for that player to get benched/released.
However, when it is the front office, they are the people that ultimately end up with your dollar, and I could how a major screw up on their part could make you want to put your interest - and you $$ - elsewhere.
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The only reason to call your final timeout when the other team is running out the clock and you won't be able to stop them is that you're a colossal dick? What, you just want to put off your loss for another 30 seconds?
No kidding. When was the last time there was a fumble from the snap on a kneel down?
Ever?
Didn't think so.
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It helps your yards allowed per rush average thanks to the extra kneel down(s). :lol :lol
In other news, Geno Smith is one helluva an erratic thrower of the football.
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The only reason to call your final timeout when the other team is running out the clock and you won't be able to stop them is that you're a colossal dick? What, you just want to put off your loss for another 30 seconds?
No kidding. When was the last time there was a fumble from the snap on a kneel down?
Ever?
Didn't think so.
The entire reason the kneel down is the preferred way to end a victory is because of a freak fumble. It could happen one day.
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Just like the Saints could make the playoffs.
According to wiki, it's happened ONCE - Rivers in 2011. It's s dick move to call a timeout in week 3 on the .0001% chance there might be a fumble.
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Icing the kneel down
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Just like the Saints could make the playoffs.
According to wiki, it's happened ONCE - Rivers in 2011. It's s dick move to call a timeout in week 3 on the .0001% chance there might be a fumble.
You try to win at all costs. Why the hell should an opposing coach care about wasting less than one minute of the other team's time if there's a possibility of avoiding a loss which could be the difference between making or missing the playoffs later on in the year. It's literally less than one minute.
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Just like the Saints could make the playoffs.
According to wiki, it's happened ONCE - Rivers in 2011. It's s dick move to call a timeout in week 3 on the .0001% chance there might be a fumble.
You try to win at all costs. Why the hell should an opposing coach care about wasting less than one minute of the other team's time if there's a possibility of avoiding a loss which could be the difference between making or missing the playoffs later on in the year. It's literally less than one minute.
There's a greater probability of recovering an on-side kick, but you don't see coaches trying that to 'win at all costs'. You're right, it's meaningless - both calling the TO, and not calling it. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, I just think - on principle - it's a dick move.
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Rex Ryan showed last night why he'll never win anything. Playing not to lose instead of to win: electing to let the clock run out at the end of the first half instead of using the 2 timeouts and forcing Chicago to punt the ball back to them and see if they could score before the half.
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The only reason to call your final timeout when the other team is running out the clock and you won't be able to stop them is that you're a colossal dick? What, you just want to put off your loss for another 30 seconds?
LOL Barto. How can the words colossal and dick in the same sentence be a bad thing? :lol :lol
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Just like the Saints could make the playoffs.
According to wiki, it's happened ONCE - Rivers in 2011. It's s dick move to call a timeout in week 3 on the .0001% chance there might be a fumble.
The Philip Rivers thing wasn't really a game ending kneel down. You can see it on Youtube and they weren't in the standard "victory" formation. I think he might have been trying to center the ball for a FG.
And BF: the reason you don't is because the greater likelihood is that somebody gets injured on the play. Not particularly likely, but then neither is a fumble that might hasn't happened once in about 12k games.
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^ tru dat. Now that I watch the vid closer, I see that it was a tie game, and SD was within FG range. I noticed that the formation wasn't quite 'kneel down'. Wiki is misleading.
So basically there's no known time that the 'victory formation' has ever been fumbled? Yeah, makes a shit-ton of sense to call TO's on the hope that something that has NEVER happened in 40 years just might. Again, it's no big deal, just seem silly to me.
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The TO is a way for the coach to blow steam and piss the fans at the stadium off for having to wait a little longer to enjoy the victory.
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Time for the return of the power rankings! I'll do my weekly top 10.
Post-Week 3 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Cincinnati - Easily the most impressive start to the season. I'd call them the team to beat if I trusted Andy Dalton.
2. Seattle - Despite the loss to the Chargers and the near loss to the Broncos, I still think their best is anybody else's best.
3. Arizona - Winning two games without their starting QB shows how deep they are.
4. Denver - A much tougher team this year, but they need to figure out how to run the ball consistently.
5. Philadelphia - A leaky defense and slow starts will start catching up to them sooner rather than later.
6. San Diego - Lost by 1 at Arizona, beat Seattle, and thumped the Bills in Buffalo. They look impressive.
7. Atlanta - I still don't trust their D, but that offense is elite.
8. Baltimore - Should be a playoff team, despite the Ray Rice mess.
9. Detroit - Their defense appears to finally be living up to its potential.
10. Pittsburgh - They get the nod over Carolina for this last spot by virtue of the thrashing they gave them Sunday night.
Just missing the cut: Carolina, New England and Houston.
Trending up: New Orleans, Indy and Washington (despite the loss)
Trending down: SF, Miami and NY Jets
Bottom 3: TB, Jacksonville and Oakland
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Personally, my top 3, in order would be something like:
1. NFL refs
2. 49ers
3. Seahawks
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I think those are very fair rankings Kev
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Profootball mock had some good moments this week:
JOHN HARBAUGH
What a comeback! What a victory! WHAT A PROUD WEEK FOR THE ENTIRE BALTIMORE RAVENS ORGANIZATION!
JOHN HARBAUGH
WE SLIPPED BY THE BROWNS LIKE AN INCRIMINATING VIDEO OF RAY RICE PAST ROGER GOODELL’S OFFICE!
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I was realizing how, by 4:50 remaining in the first quarter, the Saints had actually scored all the points they'd need to win the game, 13, since the Vikings ended up only scoring 9. I realize there are probably teams who've accomplished this even more quickly. Does anyone know how to look up such a record cuz I'm kind of at a loss as to how I would phrase such a search. I imagine it probably occurred during a shutout though it's possible it didn't.
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I'm sure some team returned the opening kickoff, and then went on to either shut out or hold their opponent to just a FG or two.
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I'm sure some team returned the opening kickoff, and then went on to either shut out or hold their opponent to just a FG or two.
That's probably the place to start, since an opening TD return is the second fastest score possible. I think an opening touchback, and then a 1st play 80-yard catch/run would technically be the fastest possible score - eliminates the clock time an opening return would take to actually get to the 20.
Good luck with that. I look forward to the trivia poll on FB later.
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Well, if you want to talk fastest possible score you need to get creative. An opening kickoff misplayed by the receiving team and recovered by the kicking team in the endzone, would be a score with no time taken off the clock. The fastest possible scores are all going to involve the kickoff team scoring or a lot of presnap penalties to move the ball.
edit: Yeah, looks like the Steelers scored a safety one second into a game last year. ...but no shutout. :lol
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RgGwq6wxepM/Uiyu9MpKchI/AAAAAAAAATw/l7Cqmj_lTVQ/s400/titan1.gif)
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Wow, that dude didn't even know he screwed up. :lol
Record for the fastest touchdown was an opening onside kickoff returned 37 yds for a TD in 3 seconds.
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That's some amazing clock oversight, in both games, if a 37 yard return officially took less time than a kneel down. Tops 2 seconds on that safety, clock shows 1 second. A full uniform return covering 37 yards in 3 seconds, too?
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Or an opening touch back with a quick fumble return or pick-six. That would likely be somewhere between 5-10 seconds.
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...or a snap over the QB's head into the endzone...
:angel:
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...or a snap over the QB's head into the endzone...
:angel:
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The Saints held the record for fastest score ever for a few years and did it by returning the Panthers' fumbled kickoff 12 seconds into a game. Some team then did basically the same thing but quicker a few years later. I still just wish we could come up with a way to figure this out conclusively. It's just so weird in a depressing way when you think that there have been several games where teams had already lost the game in the first quarter in theory.
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Eli and the Giants look really good early on; Cousins and the Redskins do not.
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Oh, right... it's Thursday.
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Christ, Cousins has completely imploded. Those B2B picks were really dumb passes.
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Three INTs in the 3rd quarter, all of them awful.
Considering how bad Eli Manning has looked for the last year plus, it is shocking how good he looks again tonight.
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Really awful. They'd be better of with Garo Yepremian under center.
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Cousins looks awful. That Joe Theismann sure is a genius. :lol :lol
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Fuck me in the goat ass. I picked up Eli for this week since Payton is on bye and I forget to put him in the lineup.
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We do a pool at work- about an hour ago I got a text from the guy who runs it: "Out of 18 people you're the only one who picked the Giants to win tonight."
GO ME!!
As of right now, I'M WINNING THE POOL :lol
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You're the Neon Deion of picking.
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You're the Neon Deion of picking.
Let's just hope it continues through the weekend. :P
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How does Jim Haslett still have a job as a DC in the NFL? Seriously? His defense have almost always underachieved or sucked.
His defenses in Pittsburgh in the late 90s were very good, but they were better before he got there and better after he left.
His Rams defenses ranked 23rd, 21st and 28th.
His Redskin defenses have ranked 31st, 13th, 28th and 18th from 2010-2013, yet he was retained as DC despite them getting a new head coach, and hey look, their defense looked like an utter joke again tonight.
Him still working as a DC is as inexplicable as Brian Scottenheimer still being an OC.
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Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.
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Cousins looks awful. That Joe Theismann sure is a genius. :lol :lol
You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.
One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.
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Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.
I left that out cause he was the head coach; I was focusing on just his ineptitude as a DC.
Cousins looks awful. That Joe Theismann sure is a genius. :lol :lol
You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.
One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.
I agree, but he looked dreadful last night. You cannot deny that.
Also, since you were the one who invited this Cousins/RG3 comparison, here is how each has done in their first six NFL starts:
Cousins: 10 total TDs (10 passing and 0 rushing) and 11 INTs, with the Redskins going 1-5.
RG3: 11 total TDs (6 passing and 5 rushing) and 2 INTs. with the Redskins going 3-3.
:corn
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Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.
I left that out cause he was the head coach; I was focusing on just his ineptitude as a DC.
Cousins looks awful. That Joe Theismann sure is a genius. :lol :lol
You're right. They should disregard all of the other issues that went into this team loss, isolate the QB who was under duress all game and throw him under the bus.
One game a career doesn't make, one way or the other. The jury's still out on Cousins.
I agree, but he looked dreadful last night. You cannot deny that.
Also, since you were the one who invited this Cousins/RG3 comparison, here is how each has done in their first six NFL starts:
Cousins: 10 total TDs (10 passing and 0 rushing) and 11 INTs, with the Redskins going 1-5.
RG3: 11 total TDs (6 passing and 5 rushing) and 2 INTs. with the Redskins going 3-3.
:corn
Yes.... he looked dreadful. There's no denying that.
Nice comparison for each player's first 6 starts. Here's another QB's stats after his first 6 games.
Peyton Manning: 6 total TDs (6 Passing and 0 rushing) and 14 INTs, with the Colts going 1-5.
Too many variables to make any kind of call based on six starts.
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Except that Peyton Manning is not a part of this conversation or comparison, but nice try.
Cousins has only started 6 games, so it only makes sense to compare his 6 starts to RG3's first 6 starts, the big difference of course being that Cousins has had more weapons to throw to in his starts than RG3 did at the beginning of 2012. I mean, how do Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson catch only a combined 3 balls last night? Bad quarterback play, that's how. Cousins has "career backup QB written" all over him. RG3 might very well have "injury-prone QB" written all over him, which isn't good either, but from what we've seen out of both so far in the NFL, RG3's best is far better than Cousins' best, and Cousins' worst is way lower than RG3's worst. In other words, RG3 has a much higher ceiling, while Cousins has a much lower floor.
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I didn't see the game last night, but a Thursday game is never the measuring stick you want to use because the lack of preparation.
Cousins is getting first team snaps now, but he hasn't been getting them in the past. RG3 has been getting first team snaps since last season, so it is going to take a little bit before the foreskins truly know what they have with Cousins.
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the foreskins
:lol
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Except that Peyton Manning is not a part of this conversation or comparison, but nice try.
Cousins has only started 6 games, so it only makes sense to compare his 6 starts to RG3's first 6 starts, the big difference of course being that Cousins has had more weapons to throw to in his starts than RG3 did at the beginning of 2012. I mean, how do Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson catch only a combined 3 balls last night? Bad quarterback play, that's how. Cousins has "career backup QB written" all over him. RG3 might very well have "injury-prone QB" written all over him, which isn't good either, but from what we've seen out of both so far in the NFL, RG3's best is far better than Cousins' best, and Cousins' worst is way lower than RG3's worst. In other words, RG3 has a much higher ceiling, while Cousins has a much lower floor.
I brought Manning and his stats up to prove how nonsensical it is to use Griffin and Cousins' first six games stats to try to prove your point. Once again.... far too many variables... and if you can't grasp that, or refuse to acknowledge it, then there's really no point in anyone debating football with you.
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I never said other variables didn't matter - I simply made a comparison of their first six NFL starts - but you are the one who has been beating the "Cousins might be better than RG3" drum for a long time, basing it on almost nothing ("He looks great in practice!" "Joe Theismann says so!"), and now that Cousins is starting and playing terrible more often than not (he was dreadful in the 4th quarter last week of a close game and awful last night), you want to throw out the "variables" excuse, when you damn well if he had played extremely well so far and the Redskins were winning, you would have been in here spouting off about it.
There is still plenty of football to be played, and my gut tells me that RG3 will never be able to stay healthy enough to be as great as he was his rookie year, but Cousins will never be anything more than a good backup who throws out the occasional good start when given the opportunity; that is my guess. Watching Cousins last night, it was like watching the bad Jay Cutler - bad decisions all over the place and just flinging balls all over the field in the hopes that something works out.
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:iagree:
But it does beg the question... there's a "good" Jay Cutler?
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I never said other variables didn't matter - I simply made a comparison of their first six NFL starts - but you are the one who has been beating the "Cousins might be better than RG3" drum for a long time, basing it on almost nothing ("He looks great in practice!" "Joe Theismann says so!"), and now that Cousins is starting and playing terrible more often than not (he was dreadful in the 4th quarter last week of a close game and awful last night), you want to throw out the "variables" excuse, when you damn well if he had played extremely well so far and the Redskins were winning, you would have been in here spouting off about it.
There is still plenty of football to be played, and my gut tells me that RG3 will never be able to stay healthy enough to be as great as he was his rookie year, but Cousins will never be anything more than a good backup who throws out the occasional good start when given the opportunity; that is my guess. Watching Cousins last night, it was like watching the bad Jay Cutler - bad decisions all over the place and just flinging balls all over the field in the hopes that something works out.
I proved that the "first six" argument/comparison held no merit. No need to dwell on it.
As for the bolded text, kindly quote any posts that I made in that nature after Washington's drubbing of Jacksonville, or Cousins' 400+ yard performance @Philly (because I kept it in perspective). But what you will find is me attributing Cousins' first pass going for a TD to a blown coverage. So I think you're barking up the wrong tree with that mess.
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:iagree:
But it does beg the question... there's a "good" Jay Cutler?
Does Not Compute.
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But it does beg the question... there's a "good" Jay Cutler?
Well, he has gotten less turnover-happy and less prone to making bad decisions. It sure helps to have a stud RB, two stud WRs and a really good TE.
I proved that the "first six" argument/comparison held no merit.
Actually, you didn't, but if you want to believe you did, by all means.
As for the bolded text, kindly quote any posts that I made in that nature after Washington's drubbing of Jacksonville, or Cousins' 400+ yard performance @Philly (because I kept it in perspective). But what you will find is me attributing Cousins' first pass going for a TD to a blown coverage. So I think you're barking up the wrong tree with that mess.
Not really. As much as you want to be right about Cousins, even you aren't crazy enough to get excited about looking good against the Jaguars. That team could make stooges like Jake Locker and Ryan Tannehill look like All-Pros. :lol :lol :lol
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Not really. As much as you want to be right about Cousins, even you aren't crazy enough to get excited about looking good against the Jaguars. That team could make stooges like Jake Locker and Ryan Tannehill look like All-Pros. :lol :lol :lol
And Andrew Luck!
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Actually, you didn't, but if you want to believe you did, by all means.
Actually, I did....but I have no problem agreeing to disagree.
Not really. As much as you want to be right about Cousins, even you aren't crazy enough to get excited about looking good against the Jaguars. That team could make stooges like Jake Locker and Ryan Tannehill look like All-Pros. :lol :lol :lol
I want to be right about Cousins because he has (seemingly) been a class act since entering the league, which can't be said about Griffin. But even if Cousins were named NFL MVP, you wouldn't see me using the "I told you so" card. Just not my style. I didn't brag when the Ravens won the Super Bowl....again, just not my style.
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Geez... the two of you. Accept it... one thinks Captain Kirk is decent; and the other is right. :jets:
JK. Bottom line, he has shown that he could be good, but the facts state he has been mediocre at best.
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Who is this Chad, and what have you done with him? :lol
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Hey guy, don't forget the bangup job he did for the Saints.
I left that out cause he was the head coach; I was focusing on just his ineptitude as a DC.
I was bringin da mirth, playa.
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Geez... the two of you. Accept it... one thinks Captain Kirk is decent; and the other is right. :jets:
JK. Bottom line, he has shown that he could be good, but the facts state he has been mediocre at best.
I'd love to be wrong about Cousins, because, like DOC said, he is a very classy guy, and I like seeing guys like that do well. He's a major contrast to RG3, who's been an attention-seeking diva the past year and change. I just know what I see, and what I see is Cousins looking like a guy who makes really bad decisions in the pocket. Considering how good Jay Gruden made Andy Dalton look more often than not in Cincinnati, if Cousins can't do well under him, well, his NFL upside will be severely limited. Granted, he still only has two starts under his belt this year, but last night was just a major step back for him.
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Just watched Sean Taylor's 'A Football Life.' Wow was a he a fantastic player. I really think he could have been the greatest safety of all he time. He just had a knack for the big plays. His intensity and love for the game were, seemingly, unmatched by any of his peers.
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Steve Smith gets to play the Panthers....this should be good.
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Steve Smith gets to play the Panthers....this should be good.
Looks like the man's playing angry.
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Steve Smith gets to play the Panthers....this should be good.
Looks like the man's playing angry.
He probably watched the Utes give up a 21 point lead to WSU in the second half last night. I know I'm pissed.
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When doesn't Steve Smith play angry? :lol :lol
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When doesn't Steve Smith play angry? :lol :lol
Yeah, I was definitely thinking that was saying something remarkable.
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...and that is why I've long held Cutler is in the Packer's top five all time quarterbacks.
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Refs have made far too many lousy calls today. Probably should be about 20 less points on the board if it was well called.
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Refs have made far too many lousy calls today. Probably should be about 20 less points on the board if it was well called.
This whole season's been an officiating disaster. They're really starting to make the game awful.
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Losing to the Bucs? Unacceptable.
Losing to a team QB'ed by a Glennon? Fucking unacceptable.
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I love seeing the 49'ers pull off dunce moves like that :loser:
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What a shitastic defensive holding call that conveniently gives the 49'ers a free first down after being completely shut down.
These defensive holding calls this year have for the most part been completely laughable.
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Yeah I didn't like the call, but that catch by Stevie Johnson was pretty amazing.
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Don't really understand how they can call that penalty on Cary Williams and not call it when Jordan Mathews gets tackled to the ground.
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Lol@Kaepernick, smart dude.
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Some really shitty coaching in that game on both sides of the ball, but Chip Kelly accepting that penalty was baffling. And on Phili's final drive I don't think there was anybody in North America that didn't see that screen coming. SF was all over it and Foles threw it anyway. Yeesh.
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Christ, this offensive line and DeMarco Murray are terrifying and they're only going to get better.
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Christ, this offensive line and DeMarco Murray are terrifying and they're only going to get better.
As someone whose family is comprised of Cowboy fans, while they're not a favorite team anymore, it's always nice to see them playing fantastic.
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As a Niners fan in Eagles country, there was 1 game this year more important to me than any other, and FUCK YEAH.
Best part is ending that unbeaten streak they had going!
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Yeah Nick. I was actually a 9ers fan today. That doesn't happen very often but the Eagles needed to be knocked down a notch. Worked out good considering the result of the Sunday night game. However, Pitt screwed me in the survivor. Oh well, can't win em all.
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I stand by my "Mike Tomlin is overrated" statement, especially after today. Good coach, but not great.
Great defensive effort today by the 49ers, but Kaepernick looks like a trainwreck still. Harbaugh appears to have lost some faith in him as well.
Speaking of that game, the Eagles suddenly cannot run the ball...at all.
Dallas might actually be the best team in the NFC East. Their D is not as awful as it was supposed to be, their offensive line looks awesome, DeMarco Murray is running like a beast (yay for that, since he's on two of my fantasy teams :)), and Romo is playing well.
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Dallas might actually be the best team in the NFC East. Their D is not as awful as it was supposed to be, their offensive line looks awesome, DeMarco Murray is running like a beast (yay for that, since he's on two of my fantasy teams :)), and Romo is playing well.
Don't forget the Giants, Eli is as streaky as they get and if he keeps playing like last thursday, good things could happen. The only team that seems completely out of the division race is the Redskins, they'd have to do a pretty huge turnaround on defense and get some consistent QB play and I don't see either happening.
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EDIT: Made a mistake here. Sorry. Ignore.
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I stand by my "Mike Tomlin is overrated" statement, especially after today. Good coach, but not great.
Great defensive effort today by the 49ers, but Kaepernick looks like a trainwreck still. Harbaugh appears to have lost some faith in him as well.
Speaking of that game, the Eagles suddenly cannot run the ball...at all.
Dallas might actually be the best team in the NFC East. Their D is not as awful as it was supposed to be, their offensive line looks awesome, DeMarco Murray is running like a beast (yay for that, since he's on two of my fantasy teams :)), and Romo is playing well.
My man, as a diehard Steelers fan for 34 years I can tell you with certainty that most Steeler fans feel Tomlin is holding them back. Most of the time he has a deer-in-headlights look on the sidelines when things are going bad. 13 penalties yesterday (granted some of those calls were ludicrous) was the latest example of how he cannot get them to play disciplined. The lines dominated Carolina one week ago and then play like swiss cheese the next week. Never any consistency. BB, AB, and Bell play like All-Pros every week while the rest of the team finds a way to implode.
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Early in his tenure, I would have chalked Tomlin's mistakes up to this being his first HC gig and he was learning the ropes. Lots of guys don't figure it out in their first three years, get fired, and come back the second time and succeed (Belechick, Carroll). It's been eight years now. By this point you either get it or you don't, and I don't think he does. There are worse options, and the question I always bring up is "Who is available that is better?" And as Pittsburgh knows, that answer is Cowher. He's not the X and O guy like Belechick, but the man has produced results on his own and not on Noll's coattails. I just don't see Pittsburgh ownership doing something unless things get real bad for an extended period of time. Tomlin's worst year is still better than Cowher's worst years.
The Eagles played 4 backups on the o-line yesterday IIRC. Only Atlanta was more beat up, as they had a TE playing RT the entire 4th quarter.
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Dallas might actually be the best team in the NFC East. Their D is not as awful as it was supposed to be, their offensive line looks awesome, DeMarco Murray is running like a beast (yay for that, since he's on two of my fantasy teams :)), and Romo is playing well.
Don't forget the Giants, Eli is as streaky as they get and if he keeps playing like last thursday, good things could happen. The only team that seems completely out of the division race is the Redskins, they'd have to do a pretty huge turnaround on defense and get some consistent QB play and I don't see either happening.
I need to see some consistency out of the Giants, and especially Eli, first before I call them a possible East contender. But they did look pretty great last Thursday.
My man, as a diehard Steelers fan for 34 years I can tell you with certainty that most Steeler fans feel Tomlin is holding them back. Most of the time he has a deer-in-headlights look on the sidelines when things are going bad. 13 penalties yesterday (granted some of those calls were ludicrous) was the latest example of how he cannot get them to play disciplined. The lines dominated Carolina one week ago and then play like swiss cheese the next week. Never any consistency. BB, AB, and Bell play like All-Pros every week while the rest of the team finds a way to implode.
I kind of wonder if Tomlin is too much of a player's coach. Take guys like Parcells and Belichick, who are extreme disciplinarians, and are probably not liked very much by most of their players, but they win, because of that discipline; you can almost compare them to a drill sergeant in that regard. On the flip side, Tomlin is a player's coach, often coming off like another one of the guys, and I suspect that relationship makes it hard for him to really instill major discipline, resulting in games like yesterday where they are penalized like crazy, including several unsportsmanlike penalties for excessive celebration. You almost never see that happen on a player coached by Belichick, Coughlin or Carroll. I think Carroll is a good embodiment of a coach who is a disciplinarian, while also being a player's coach; time is showing that Tomlin is too much of the latter, I think.
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I was thinking about the disciplinarian thing yesterday when they were talking about Jim Harbaugh. Being a hardass is only half the battle and doesn't automatically win you games. The players also have to respect you and believe in what you're doing. It's easy to be a slave to Belichick or Parcells because you know he knows what he's talking about. That doesn't seem to be the case in SF, where we'll see a full blown lockerroom rebellion before the end of the year.
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That also stems from the GM in SF wanting to get rid of Harbaugh. Player know the parents are fighting and act out and don't listen to them.
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Re: Tomlin, just wanted to add he's a terrible in-game coach also. When did you ever see Tomlin out-smart the opposing coach? Poor use of challenges, poor clock management, etc etc. People bought into him because he is so articulate, but there's nothing there behind it but clichés: "The standard is the standard" "Next man up" "we'll defend every blade of grass". Steelers fans take bets on which clichés he'll use which week.
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Looks like the Bills are bailing on their 1st Round QB a quarter way through his sophomore season....
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11613360/kyle-orton-takes-ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-qb
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Looks like the Bills are bailing on their 1st Round QB a quarter way through his sophomore season....
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11613360/kyle-orton-takes-ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-qb
He's regressing, he needs a chance to watch the game, and Kyle Orton is a fine replacement. They're definitely not bailing on him
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Looks like the Bills are bailing on their 1st Round QB a quarter way through his sophomore season....
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11613360/kyle-orton-takes-ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-qb
He's regressing, he needs a chance to watch the game, and Kyle Orton is a fine replacement. They're definitely not bailing on him
I don't see how watching Orton play is going to make him any better. He should be out there playing and gaining experience. He has plenty of time during the week to watch the game via film study.
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Marrone can't lay his career as the head coach on the line on the hopes that EJ shakes off his bad play. Marrone needs secure some wins and EJ has shown he's not capable of it right now. EJ can now have a chance to watch the game in action without all the pressure, and see what he could be improving during practice. If someone's regressing you don't just keep them out their to stew in it
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Go Chiefs!
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Damn ugly so far
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Sorry, King.
Go Chiefs!
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:lol
Pathetic showing on both sides of the ball for the half
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Not good for Pats fans in that 1st half. Ouch!
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https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000403053/article/in-winnow-mode-marrone-makes-change-to-orton
Good article on it.
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Bed soon the way this game is going
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Looks like the Bills are bailing on their 1st Round QB a quarter way through his sophomore season....
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11613360/kyle-orton-takes-ej-manuel-buffalo-bills-qb
He's regressing, he needs a chance to watch the game, and Kyle Orton is a fine replacement. They're definitely not bailing on him
I don't see how watching Orton play is going to make him any better. He should be out there playing and gaining experience. He has plenty of time during the week to watch the game via film study.
Buffalo's plan all along was to have EJ sit and learn the game behind Kolb last year, but that didn't work out because of all the concussions, so they had to throw him into the starting role. Now that it's year two and he's clearly moving backwards, they want to go back to the original plan in an effort to get him back on track. It's clear that he is the QB of the future in Buffalo, they just want him to learn the game a bit more.
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Woohoo, Brady needed 14 fantasy points for me to lose and he didnt get it!
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As much as I don't like the Chiefs, that sure was fun to watch last night. :hat
Post-Week 4 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Cincinnati - We'll see how good they really are this coming Sunday when they play a declining Patriots team.
2. Seattle - Over/under on how many interceptions they force out of Kirk Cousins next Monday: 4.
3. Arizona - Playing at Denver this week will be a good barometer for how good they are.
4. Denver - Tough game this week against an undefeated Arizona squad.
5. San Diego - Philip Rivers is probably the offensive MVP of the league so far.
6. Baltimore - They've done a great job in focusing and playing well since the Ray Rice mess hit the fan.
7. Philadelphia - 3-1 at the quarter point is really good, but that offensive line is in shambles.
8. Detroit - Their D appears legit, and winning a tough road game despite a limited Megatron was impressive.
9. Houston - JJ Watt is easily the best defensive player in the league, and might be the MVP of the entire league right now.
10. Dallas - Gotta give them props; they are playing extremely well right now.
Trending up: Indy, NY Giants and Kansas City
Trending down: Pittsburgh, New Orleans and NY Jets
Bottom 3: Jacksonville, Oakland and Tennessee
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I like seeing my Giants trending up! They should have beaten Arizona too. Besides that terrible opening game against Detroit and the first quarter vs. Arizona, they look like they are figuring things out. They dominated Houston even though the score didnt show a dominant performance, that game was never close and then they dismantled a division rival. I will wait until they show some more consistency, but if things are clicking with the new offense, I say they have a shot at finishing a .500 or above.
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I'm not sold on Houston or Dallas, but the rest of the list looks fine
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The Raiders FINALLY dumped Coach Allen. They fire a coach who gets them to 8-8 in his first year and hold on to this rookie with losing seasons for 3+ years. No wonder no one wants to play for them.
So glad I moved them aside for the Seahawks!
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If the Saints end up winning the 5-6 games I currently have them winning this season, I wonder if this could be the end of us ever contending in the Brees era. Our team is a hemorrhaging mess at far too many places for this to be a one-year turnaround (O-line, ZERO playmaking WRs, front seven that begs RBs to run into their arms so they won't have to actually pursue a tackle with honest effort/intelligence, worst secondary I've seen in my 27 years watching them) so unless something miraculous occurs, I just can't see this ship sailing smoothly with our suffocated salary cap situation and smoke-and-mirrors D.
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If the Saints end up winning the 5-6 games I currently have them winning this season, I wonder if this could be the end of us ever contending in the Brees era. Our team is a hemorrhaging mess at far too many places for this to be a one-year turnaround (O-line, ZERO playmaking WRs, front seven that begs RBs to run into their arms so they won't have to actually pursue a tackle with honest effort/intelligence, worst secondary I've seen in my 27 years watching them) so unless something miraculous occurs, I just can't see this ship sailing smoothly with our suffocated salary cap situation and smoke-and-mirrors D.
I'm really surprised by the Saints, I thought they had a very solid team. I think the loss of Sproles hurt the O more than they expected, but I still can't understand the poor defensive performance. On paper there wasn't that much change from last season (you could argue they improved with Byrd, though I was never that high on him) and Rob Ryan is still there, so the defense should be at the very least in the top half instead of bottom 5 like they are right now.
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The Raiders FINALLY dumped Coach Allen. They fire a coach who gets them to 8-8 in his first year and hold on to this rookie with losing seasons for 3+ years. No wonder no one wants to play for them.
So glad I moved them aside for the Seahawks!
Traitor!
Glad to see Allen gone. Sparano should be a decent interim coach. Don't know if they'll get someone better in the long run but they can't get anyone worse, because everyone knows they won't hire Lane Kiffin again.
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So glad I moved them aside for the Seahawks!
Fair-weather, front-running fans are the worst. There is something to be said for being loyal and sticking with those who are going through a rough patch.
If the Saints end up winning the 5-6 games I currently have them winning this season, I wonder if this could be the end of us ever contending in the Brees era. Our team is a hemorrhaging mess at far too many places for this to be a one-year turnaround (O-line, ZERO playmaking WRs, front seven that begs RBs to run into their arms so they won't have to actually pursue a tackle with honest effort/intelligence, worst secondary I've seen in my 27 years watching them) so unless something miraculous occurs, I just can't see this ship sailing smoothly with our suffocated salary cap situation and smoke-and-mirrors D.
I still think they'll win 8+ games, but Sean Payton is so goofy with his player usage and play-calling sometimes; he has a lot of Mike Martz in him. Kenny Still is a good deep threat, yet has only 12 targets through four games. And the other day, Pierre Thomas barely saw the field, while Travis Cadet had like six or seven targets in the passing game. Uh, what? :lol :lol
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Who was the Raiders couch a few years ago that for some reason they let him go when the team was trending in a positive way? I remember thinking it was a mistake.
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Who was the Raiders couch a few years ago that for some reason they let him go when the team was trending in a positive way? I remember thinking it was a mistake.
Tom Cable. He's the o-line and assistant head coach with the Seahawks now.
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That's right. I thought the team was buying into him and they never should have got rid of him. Was that the consensus with most Raiders fans?
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Lots of us loved the guy. The Cable Guy was well liked by the fans, and he finally seemed to have the team on the right track.
Then he gets canned, goes to Seattle, and puts in his o line system that helped turn them into one of the best rushing teams in the league. :facepalm:
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Wow, I never knew Cable landed in Seatlle. Good for him, but boy that must hurt as a Raiders fan.
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I am pretty sure, at this point, Raiders fans are more than used to hurting. :lol :lol :biggrin:
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2014/clutch-encounters-week-4
Revealing research by this guy, starting about halfway down the page . . . since the Tomlin/Lebeau era began in 2007, the Steelers lead all teams in leads blown in the last 2 minutes of games (12) in the last 60 seconds (11) in the last 40 seconds (11) and last 15 seconds (9). So maybe we can finally put to rest the misconception of the defense always carrying that team . . .
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Tom Cable was the first, then they got Hue Jackson who got them 8-8 and let him go! WTF?
I've been a Raiders fan since the 80's but my patience has run out. I'm still a fan but they're not going anywhere soon.
I'm not a Seahawks fan just because they won the SB. I just didn't pay attention to them before. I like the team personality, culture, uniforms, etc.
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2014/clutch-encounters-week-4
Revealing research by this guy, starting about halfway down the page . . . since the Tomlin/Lebeau era began in 2007, the Steelers lead all teams in leads blown in the last 2 minutes of games (12) in the last 60 seconds (11) in the last 40 seconds (11) and last 15 seconds (9). So maybe we can finally put to rest the misconception of the defense always carrying that team . . .
Quantity stats leave a lot to be desired. You can't give up a drive like that unless you're winning a close game that late (and your offense can't close it) to begin with.
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2014/clutch-encounters-week-4
Revealing research by this guy, starting about halfway down the page . . . since the Tomlin/Lebeau era began in 2007, the Steelers lead all teams in leads blown in the last 2 minutes of games (12) in the last 60 seconds (11) in the last 40 seconds (11) and last 15 seconds (9). So maybe we can finally put to rest the misconception of the defense always carrying that team . . .
Quantity stats leave a lot to be desired. You can't give up a drive like that unless you're winning a close game that late (and your offense can't close it) to begin with.
Not only that, but for each one of those blown leads they could have 5 or 50 saved leads. I think it would be more helpful to know the percentage of blown vs saved leads.
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^ true. But 'leading the league' in this regard is not flattering, and would suggest that they are the worst at holding a lead regardless of the %s
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Wow, I never knew Cable landed in Seatlle. Good for him, but boy that must hurt as a Raiders fan.
Yeah, it kinda' does. And Hue Jackson's doing great coordinating the Bengal's offense.
I am pretty sure, at this point, Raiders fans are more than used to hurting. :lol :lol :biggrin:
Yeah, definitely. It would be great to cheer for a winning team again...heck, it would be great to cheer for a mediocre team again.
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Yeah, definitely. It would be great to cheer for a winning team again...heck, it would be great to cheer for a mediocre team again.
I can sympathize. The 49ers were SO bad for over a decade. I was right there with you. That's what has been so great about the last 3 seasons with them. I am just thankful they are not only competitive again, but that they are making DEEP playoff runs every year and are always in the conversation about winning it all. I hate the media types that go on rants about how it has to be "Super Bowl or bust" for them, and about how "their window is closing." A lot of us are just thankful they are competitive. Yeah, it's kinda painful that they were so close 3 years in a row that they could potentially have had 3 more rings by now. That it's a lot more painful when your team can't muster a winning record or even get into the playoffs for over a decade. I'll take what I can get.
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Another riveting matchup on Thursday night! Hopefully the Colts and Texans give us a good game next week.
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Once Bridgewater was declared out, you knew this game was gonna be ugly. Ponder is so freaking awful.
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Damn. I was hoping for a shutout. Looks like Minnesota might get some points on the board. Hell, I'm still happy with the game.
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Saw this on reddit, made me lol
(https://puu.sh/bX9LU/c6e23eda5a.png)
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As bad as Ponder is, it's worth pointing out that the Vikings offensive line was pretty awful tonight. They made New England's offensive line from Monday look good.
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Byrd is apparently out for the season
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Eh. 6-10 just became 5-11. I'll relish the improved draft position.
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Yeah, definitely. It would be great to cheer for a winning team again...heck, it would be great to cheer for a mediocre team again.
I can sympathize. The 49ers were SO bad for over a decade. I was right there with you. That's what has been so great about the last 3 seasons with them. I am just thankful they are not only competitive again, but that they are making DEEP playoff runs every year and are always in the conversation about winning it all. I hate the media types that go on rants about how it has to be "Super Bowl or bust" for them, and about how "their window is closing." A lot of us are just thankful they are competitive. Yeah, it's kinda painful that they were so close 3 years in a row that they could potentially have had 3 more rings by now. That it's a lot more painful when your team can't muster a winning record or even get into the playoffs for over a decade. I'll take what I can get.
Good post bosk. I don't think you 49ers fans have anything to worry about for a good while yet. Any talk about their window to win closing is pure b.s. at this point. You guys have a good young qb locked in long-term, and that's the hardest position for a team to to fill.
I wish the Raiders would sign Tebow. No matter what anyone thinks about his skills, he's one player that never quits on the team and always gives it everything he's got. Too many good and great players have passed through Oakland that just didn't care, e.g. Randy Moss, D'angelo Hall, Jamarcus Russell. Win or lose, I just want some players that show some fire and some heart.
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In both division games this year, the Saints have opened up a 13-point lead and then given up a 17-0 run. This team is in a talespin and I won't be the least bit surprised if we're transitioning into the end of any relevance during the Brees era. This team really sucks badly.
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Bills aren't playing so good either :s
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Damn, Tampa just put on a clinic in how to implode. Holding, fumbled snap, delay of game, false start, sacked in your own end zone. Now NO has the momentum and moves with authority. Talk about a game-killing drive.
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Bills win! :D
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Go Saints!
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I'm not looking forward to the amount of Irving Bay love that will be happening at work tomorrow... :facepalm:
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Giants vs Eagles should be a good one next Sunday night. I am liking the way the Giants are playing and the NFC east is seemingly back as a tough division.
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Well that looked a lot better.
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And Tim Wright makes his presence known. If he's the sort of guy that really gets their system that could be huge.
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He's got athletic skills too. Good to see the whole team engaged tonight.
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Man, Revis is just murdering AJ Green.
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Haven't seen one on one coverage like that since the 2007 season.
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Man, did I enjoy seeing Peyton and the Broncos tear that top-rated Arizona defense to shreds. That is what all-time greats do. :tup :tup
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So yesterday Manning hit 500 TDs, Brady hit 50000 yards, and (lol shoestring stat comin up) Brees hit 40000 for his Saints portion of his career. Big coincidence having all that occur on the same day.
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Man this year is crazy so far. You never know who will win from week to week, except that the Jets will be terrible :lol.
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Yea, I thought the Jets would be solid this year, not great, but a playoff contender. They look like one of the worst teams in the league and another year of QB controversy.
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I'm glad that the Panthers pulled out a win, and the no-huddle and Newton-to-Olsen definitely looked great, but I would like to thank the Bears for completely imploding with 3 turnovers in their last 3 possessions.
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So yesterday Manning hit 500 TDs, Brady hit 50000 yards, and (lol shoestring stat comin up) Brees hit 40000 for his Saints portion of his career. Big coincidence having all that occur on the same day.
What's really crazy about Manning's 500th touchdown pass is that he just threw his 400th touchdown pass in September 2012. :eek :eek :eek :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Philip Rivers (has been fantastic, and his performance against Seattle gives him the nod)
2. J.J. Watt (by far the best defensive player in the league, and if you take him away from Houston, who knows where they'd be)
3. Peyton Manning (his greatness pretty much goes without saying now)
4. Andrew Luck (too many turnovers to put him in the top 3, but his touchdown total is gonna be obscene this year)
5. DeMarco Murray (on pace for over 2,100 yards, but he loses a few spots for his four lost fumbles)
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Hey Kev, it's DeMarco. :lol
Also, anxious to see your power rankings tomorrow for week 5. :tup
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Man, did I enjoy seeing Peyton and the Broncos tear that top-rated Arizona defense to shreds. That is what all-time greats do. :tup :tup
Then why didn't they do so in the Super Bowl or in Week 3? :angel:
Also, there's this: https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000406294/article/bruce-arians-broncos-had-dirtiest-play-ive-ever-seen
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Very dirty play by Julius Thomas. I would never say otherwise just because he's on my favorite team.
As for your question, as good as the Cardinals D is, it ain't the Seahawks D.
Hey Kev, it's DeMarco. :lol
Also, anxious to see your power rankings tomorrow for week 5. :tup
Damn it. :facepalm: :lol
Should be a good shake-up this week, with the last two undefeated teams going down.
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Tonight was a good example of why a) I say that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck, and b) Russell Wilson is a top 5 NFL QB. The guy just makes plays, and unlike Luck, doesn't turn the ball over.
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Post-Week 5 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. San Diego - They get the slight nod over Seattle for now; their +70 point differential is by far the best right now.
2. Seattle - Didn't look close to their best last night, but still managed a 10-point win.
3. Denver - The lack of a running game is still a major concern.
4. Arizona - Tough lost at Denver, but still 3-1; they are gonna need Carson Palmer to come back soon, though.
5. Cincinnati - Pathetic effort at NE the other night, hence being docked this much.
6. Philadelphia - They are an ugly 4-1, but 4-1 is still 4-1.
7. Dallas - Tony Romo was very, check this out, clutch the other day. That TD pass where he spun away from Watt and then throw a bomb for a score was awesome.
8. Indianapolis - Surging now, after an 0-2 start.
9. Baltimore - This team has 10-6 and a tough out in the postseason written all over them.
10. Green Bay - After their usual slow start, they are starting to look really good.
Trending up: NY Giants, SF and NE
Trending down: Atlanta, Detroit and Washington
Bottom 3: Jacksonville, Oakland and NY Jets
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MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Philip Rivers (has been fantastic, and his performance against Seattle gives him the nod)
2. J.J. Watt (by far the best defensive player in the league, and if you take him away from Houston, who knows where they'd be)
3. Peyton Manning (his greatness pretty much goes without saying now)
4. Andrew Luck (too many turnovers to put him in the top 3, but his touchdown total is gonna be obscene this year)
5. DeMarco Murray (on pace for over 2,100 yards, but he loses a few spots for his four lost fumbles)
Also, Russell Wilson has to be in the mix here somewhere. I might put him 2nd or 3rd after last night.
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In the last year & 1/2. Rivers looks like himself again. Guy has grit and fire.
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I used to really hate Rivers, but I really don't anymore. The Chargers are an odd team for me, in that, as a Broncos fan, I HATE losing to them, but when they play other teams, they don't bother me at all (unlike other division rivals like Oakland and KC, both of whom I almost always root hard against).
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Tonight was a good example of why a) I say that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck, and b) Russell Wilson is a top 5 NFL QB. The guy just makes plays, and unlike Luck, doesn't turn the ball over.
I think Luck has been and is the better of the two, but both are playing great.
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In the last year & 1/2. Rivers looks like himself again. Guy has grit and fire.
I love Phillip Rivers.
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I remember when Rivers was at NC State. It's a shame he never had a better supporting cast there, because he was head and shoulders above anyone else in the ACC. He was a lot of fun to watch.
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Watching this game, which has gotten good after an awful beginning, what is very clear is: Andrew Luck and J.J. Watt are both awesome players who are gonna dominate for a long time. It's a treat to watch both play.
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Watching this game, which has gotten good after an awful beginning, what is very clear is: Andrew Luck and J.J. Watt are both awesome players who are gonna dominate for a long time. It's a treat to watch both play.
It's amazing to watch a defensive play so disruptive so often. Plenty of linemen can control a game, but Watt seems to takeover every game.
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In the last year & 1/2. Rivers looks like himself again. Guy has grit and fire.
I love Phillip Rivers.
He's my bench QB, getting consistently good scores.
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JJ Watt is making a serious case for MVP this season.
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JJ Watt is making a serious case for MVP this season.
I agree.
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I agree, too, but it's gonna be hard for him to win it. Houston will have to make the playoffs, and that might be difficult with Fitzpatrick at QB. I'd love to see him win it, though; the guy is so awesome and fun to watch.
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If he keeps scoring TDs like this, not only will he win MVP, but he could sweep Offensive AND Defensive Player of the Year.
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I used to really hate Rivers, but I really don't anymore. The Chargers are an odd team for me, in that, as a Broncos fan, I HATE losing to them, but when they play other teams, they don't bother me at all (unlike other division rivals like Oakland and KC, both of whom I almost always root hard against).
I felt the same way early on as well. I was at a managers meeting with Dolphin, Jetts, Bills, Steeler, Broncos & a Dallas fan. Good and fun ribbing each other about their teams
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4 TD passes in one Quarter for Joe Flacco. Hell of a job by the whole offense!
I know that it's Tampa... but still awesome.
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Good thing Lovie Smith is considered a defensive guru, otherwise that game could have really gotten out of hand.
Guess we can say this for the second time in this early season.
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(https://i.imgur.com/D8ADcmS.png)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Damn, Patriots are a bunch of ball hawks. At this point they're +9 in turnover diff, despite shaky play from both lines.
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:lol Kev. Kinda makes you wonder how the Bucs beat the Steelers in Pitt and almost beat the Saints in NO.
I'm watching the Broncos / Jets game and the refs continue to suck ass. WTF good is replay if they can't see an obvious reverse call? I don't think these guys can admit they're wrong, A LOT!
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:lol Kev. Kinda makes you wonder how the Bucs beat the Steelers in Pitt and almost beat the Saints in NO.
Steelers' and Saints' reputations are just carryover from previous success. Neither one is even average this year.
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What's up with the officials in the denver/jets game.
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Jesus christ, the refs are fucking the Bills up the ass today :L
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Jesus christ, the refs are fucking the Bills up the ass today :L
Their fucking themselves as well as the Pats. Dumb penalties all around
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Peyton is so clutch. Huge 3rd and long completion to all but solidify the win. :tup :tup
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Holy crap, Green Bay. My blood pressure.
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Holy crap, Green Bay. My blood pressure.
Tell me about it! What a finish though.
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:lol Kev. Kinda makes you wonder how the Bucs beat the Steelers in Pitt and almost beat the Saints in NO.
Steelers' and Saints' reputations are just carryover from previous success. Neither one is even average this year.
Agreed... now that they've both lost to Cleveland - and Pitt badly today.
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Mike Nugent deserves to die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.
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Damn, Dallas dominated that half a lot more than the score suggests.
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Mike Nugent deserves to die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.
Nice Ace Ventura quote. :lol
Damn, Dallas dominated that half a lot more than the score suggests.
Hawks only TD in the first half was on special teams? I never would've thought that, especially being at home.
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I'll go ahead and say it first. The Seahawks just pooped the bed today.
Again, I will then just turn around and say that I'm hoping they start getting real. From here on out, they are either going to regroup, or completely implode. They have been playing on pure emotion ever since Carroll got into town, and you can get pretty far (even so far as winning a Super Bowl) on that emotion and adrenaline...and the biggest reason for that is because the talent pool in the NFL has gotten so close in this day and age, that it pretty much just comes down to "team chemistry" and "who wants it more"...
But the Seahawks thought they were immortal, and are now coming face to face with their potential NFL mortality, and possibly even irrelevance if they don't pick up the pieces and find their collective "eye of the tiger" really quick.
This season is either going to be Rocky 3 or Rocky 5...and only the next 3 or 4 games will tell for sure.
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I didn't really see it that way. They just got outplayed by a very good team. I think it's time to stop underestimating Dallas. They're very definitely an elite team now. Don't think you can really question that now.
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I really like the Seahawks, but as somebody who grew up in a household split between Cowboys/Chiefs fans, it's great to see the Cowboys playing so well these days.
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I didn't really see it that way. They just got outplayed by a very good team. I think it's time to stop underestimating Dallas. They're very definitely an elite team now. Don't think you can really question that now.
Moreso than any other team in the NFL, we were *expected* to win our home games....in fact, I would say that most people would have placed that as a prerequisite of us repeating as champions. A 3-2 start and a loss at home casts a pretty big shadow over that possibility. The Seahawks have to light up the rest of the season if they want to repeat.
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Dallas on paper always should be better than the record they end up with. They win games like this and lose a ton they shouldn't.
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Dallas on paper always should be better than the record they end up with. They win games like this and lose a ton they shouldn't.
Well yeah, but then they beat Tenn, StL and Houston this year. Those are exactly the sorts of games you expect Dallas to choke. When they actually beat StL I started to think they might actually have a solid team here, and they're certainly demonstrating it quite effectively.
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For once I'd like to see them on a run at the end of the season.
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Being a Seahawks fan, Dallas is doing really good this season.
But I agree with my other Hawker. They need to up their game, or else they'll flop, big time
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Seattle losing at home to Dallas says two things: one, Seattle isn't unbeatable at home (I think even the Seahawks were starting to believe that) and two, right now the Cowboys are playing the best football they've played since 1995. What does that say about the rest of the season? Fuck if I know. :rollin
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Jaq...you really hit the nail on the head. When this season started, one of my biggest concern was that they would "believe their own hype"...it's easy to SAY 'put up or shut up', but putting into practice is something else entirely. This is where the rubber hits the road.
The Seahawks will still beat up on the Rams next week, but even then, I'm afraid of them getting over confident again. You can't really brag about beating the Rams if you can't beat good teams....at home no less. They will get some confidence back next week, I just hope they don't take it for granted.
Actually, I can see us winning the next 5 games pretty handedly....but it's the Rams, Panthers, Raiders, Giants and Chiefs....so who cares. I know, 'any given Sunday', but still it would be not terribly shocking for Seattle to win against these very beatable opponents. But then we get The Cards, followed by the Niners on the road with only 4 days rest. NOT GOOD. But if they would be champions, THAT is where we will find out what they are really made of.
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I guess today the Bengals had the eye of the tieger.
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Seattle losing wasn't the story; Seattle getting dominated on both sides of the ball was the story. And when you consider how shaky they looked against the Redskins the week before (lots of penalties), along with the loss to the Chargers and their inability to put the Broncos away in regulation when they had then down, it's becoming clear that right now, this Seahawks team isn't nearly as good as the team we saw last winter. Granted, it's still early, and they could easily round into form, but they have a lot of work to do.
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It felt so good to watch the Giants get shut out.
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Man Philly dominated that game. Both sides. I thought NYG was supposed to be looking good? They looked like the Jags tonight.
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Bill Parcells was their coach the last time they had even one atom of consistency. It ain't a bad thing either since, under Coughlin/Manning, that has also meant that they've never been consistently bad. 0-6 was rough last year but they have otherwise been a decade-long rollercoaster. The fact that they've won two Super Bowls doing this just shows that they can sometimes play outta their minds when the chips are on the table and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they end up with a third title before the Coughlin/Manning era ends.
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Seattle losing wasn't the story; Seattle getting dominated on both sides of the ball was the story. And when you consider how shaky they looked against the Redskins the week before (lots of penalties), along with the loss to the Chargers and their inability to put the Broncos away in regulation when they had then down, it's becoming clear that right now, this Seahawks team isn't nearly as good as the team we saw last winter. Granted, it's still early, and they could easily round into form, but they have a lot of work to do.
I was just thinking how none of the "final four" teams from the 2013 postseason seem to be themselves. New England are hot and cold. Neither the Niners nor the Seahawks look half as good as the teams that played in the REAL Super Bowl (Conference game last year), yet that Seahawks team still made this year's Broncos look bad. Finally, that Broncos / Jets game yesterday was much closer than the final score. The Broncos were making so many mistakes, it seemed like they were trying to hand the Jets the game.
Honestly I would not be surprised if we don't see any of the above four teams in the championship games this year. SO FAR this year, the Chargers, Colts, Ravens, Eagles, Packers, Lions, and Cowboys seem just as capable as last year's teams of making a deep run in the playoffs this year, if not moreso.
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After that shellacking they took last week, I wasn't surprised the Jets played the Broncos tough for a while, but after adjusting and going up 24-7, the Broncos seem to take their foot off the gas and the Jets got back in it late and had the ball and chance to tie it before the game-ending INT. I won't read too much into it, though; the Broncos still won the game, and they still have a dominant win over a 4-1 Arizona team last week, as well as a big win over the 4-2 Colts Week 1. The running game and defense are both still question marks, although both are looking improved at times, but the Broncos look almost as good as they were last year so far (the offense just isn't scoring at a record pace, like last year).
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Agreed... of the final four teams last year, I think Denver's looking the strongest. Seattle played like 2013 Seattle, and still Denver took them to OT with a great final drive. Wilson just had a better final drive.
Indy, SD and Dallas are looking REAL good right now. Arizona too with Palmer back. But, we're not even 1/2 way thru the season, so lots can change.
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Yep, still a long way to go.
Also, how about this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz1lNvsCUAE5vW2.png:large)
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I don't really care about stats. It is a fact that Peyton Manning is not clutch. But Joe Flacco somehow is. So please take your facts somewhere else. Thanks.
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Congrats on your 2000th post, bosk.
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I don't really care about stats. It is a fact that Peyton Manning is not clutch. But Joe Flacco somehow is. So please take your facts somewhere else. Thanks.
:lol :lol
Exactly. :hat
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Who cares about stats? Its about the game....
FOOTBALL! !!!!! (does the family guy, Madden wave)
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I must have missed something.
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Stevan Riddley and Jerod Mayo both out for the year. That sucks rather hard, but I'm curious to see how it changes things. Mayo went out this time last year and they stepped up their game. Riddley was all but benched for most of the year, as well. Patriots tend to respond well to adversity, but I'd love to see them not have to for once.
And damn, SF is a distinctly mediocre team. It surprises me that so many people buy into the hype.
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B-b-b-b-b-b-but bruh! Kaepernick is the second coming of our lord and savior Joe Montana!!!!!!!1!!!!
Totally agreed, I don't get it either.
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And damn, SF is a distinctly mediocre team. It surprises me that so many people buy into the hype.
And then St. Louis remembered they were ... St. Louis. What a brutal end of 1H defense, and then they just folded up like a cheap pair of pants for the second half.
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Yeah, the Rams look like the greatest show on turf in the 1st half and end up laying the greatest turd on turf. :lol
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Jeff Fisher = still the most overrated coach ever. And to think that some used to think he was one of the best coaches in the NFL. :lol He's only won 53% of his games as a head coach and doesn't have a playoff win since 2003. Yeah, overrated.
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This place never ceases to amaze. Last two days = knee jerk reactions. Manning is clutch because he beat a 1 win team? The only team who has beaten both the Eagles and Cowboys is "mediocre" because of a slow 1st half on the road against a division rival who has played them tough in recent years?
Take some time.... let things play out. And don't cling to one or two cherry picked stats to try to make a point, or to try to prove someone wrong. Just makes you come off looking bad.
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Seems to me the point spreads are always way too small. In week 4 we had margins of victory including 31, 28, 27, 24, 24, 21, 21, 19, and 13. Week 5 had fewer blowouts, but Week 6 included margins of victory of 31, 27, 21, 15, and 4 by 14. I'm not a gambler so I don't understand all the finer points, but I laugh when I see the 2-pt spreads.
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The spreads are based on betting trends. They aren't predictions, they are trying to make money off gamblers.
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The spreads are based on betting trends. They aren't predictions, they are trying to make money off gamblers.
Thats true, but I do think in general for NFL games, there are not usually that many blowouts. Im going off my own memory which could be wrong, but I dont recall so many blow outs week in week out as we have seen this year.
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Yep, Vegas sets a line with the hope of getting equal amount of action on both sides, that way they win cause of the juice the loser has to pay. That's why when the betting public is too much on one side, they move the line in hopes of getting people to start betting the other side to even out the action. I remember two Super Bowls where Vegas took a bath:
Super Bowl 13 - The point spread opened at Pittsburgh -3.5 points. As the Steelers backers placed bets on them the sportsbooks adjusted the line. It eventually hit Pittsburgh -4.5 and then the Dallas money poured in on the Cowboys. It eventually settled at Pittsburgh -4. The game's final outcome of Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31 meant the Las Vegas sportsbooks lost the vast majority of wagers on the game.
Super Bowl 31 - GB beat NE 35-21, and because the line which never moved from GB -14, meaning they got about equal amount of auction on both sides, no one lost any juice. Bad day for Vegas.
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Yep, Vegas sets a line with the hope of getting equal amount of action on both sides, that way they win cause of the juice the loser has to pay. That's why when the betting public is too much on one side, they move the line in hopes of getting people to start betting the other side to even out the action. I remember two Super Bowls where Vegas took a bath:
When I read that I did a double take about the loser paying the vig. I always considered it the winner. However, it turns out that they both pay, or neither pay, depending on how you look at it. Nifty when things work out like that.
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Here's an interesting stat. Not sure if this was mentioned last night during the game or not. Prior to last night's 80-yeard touchdown pass to Brandon Lloyd, the last time the 49ers completed a touchdown pass of 80 or more yards was in 2005 by QB Tim Rattay...to Brandon Lloyd. Given the amount of time that has passed, as well as the number of teams Lloyd has played for in the interim, that is an incredibly unlikely statistic.
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Yep, Vegas sets a line with the hope of getting equal amount of action on both sides, that way they win cause of the juice the loser has to pay. That's why when the betting public is too much on one side, they move the line in hopes of getting people to start betting the other side to even out the action. I remember two Super Bowls where Vegas took a bath:
When I read that I did a double take about the loser paying the vig. I always considered it the winner. However, it turns out that they both pay, or neither pay, depending on how you look at it. Nifty when things work out like that.
I used to bet point spreads and whatnot back in the 90s and my favorite game every in that regard was the SD/Miami playoff game following the '94 season. I bet on:
Miami + 2
Under 45
Parlay of Miami +2 and Under 45
San Diego won 22-21. And Miami missed a long field goal at the end that would have won the game, but ruined my Under and Parlay bets. That was awesome. :hat
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NFC West prediction:
1. 49ers (13-3)
2. Cardinals (11-5)
3. Seahawks (9-7)
4. Rams (5-11)
That feels about right. With the injuries and the short week, the 49ers will likely fall to Denver this coming week, but will go on to run the table, which is good for the team, the league, and America in general. The Seahawks will continue to plummet/implode. The Cards will have a respectable season and finish a bit lower than some of the kneejerk reactions this week are predicting. The Rams, on the other hand, aren't horrible, but they just aren't that good either.
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Kev, I'd be interested to see what your power rankings look like after all the weirdness of the past few weeks (if you don't mind, of course).
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I'll have them up later tonight or in the a.m. tomorrow. :)
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Stevan Riddley and Jerod Mayo both out for the year. That sucks rather hard, but I'm curious to see how it changes things. Mayo went out this time last year and they stepped up their game. Riddley was all but benched for most of the year, as well. Patriots tend to respond well to adversity, but I'd love to see them not have to for once.
After Mayo was injured last year along with Wilfork, teams ran all over the Pats. Mayo is a tackling machine and the Captain who sets the alignment and calls the plays so it will be interesting how it pans out.
Riddley on the other hand is replaceable.
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Weirder things have happened than the NFC standings Homer ... uh, Bosk predicts. I find it hard to reasonably believe that they can run the table after Denver with two matchups against Seattle, along with the Saints (never count Brees out), Chargers and Cardinals. Some of those games should be gimmees (Raiders, Redskins, Rams), but if the first 6 weeks has shown us anything, is that NOTHING is a gimmee.
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Both teams are looking at 12-4 or 11-5. It will be a battle this year. Hell, I love looking at the AFC North. Those 4 teams will kill each other by the end of the season.
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Weirder things have happened than the NFC standings Homer ... uh, Bosk predicts. I find it hard to reasonably believe that they can run the table after Denver with two matchups against Seattle, along with the Saints (never count Brees out), Chargers and Cardinals. Some of those games should be gimmees (Raiders, Redskins, Rams), but if the first 6 weeks has shown us anything, is that NOTHING is a gimmee.
Well, sure, I'm being aggressively optimistic. But I do like their chances. I honestly think they will sweep the Seahawks. I think they will get the Cards back for the early season loss. The Chargers are tough, but I think they have benefitted from some good breaks and from teams that are maybe more "paper tiger"-ish than they may appear (Seattle). And remember, the 49ers are missing some of their best starters, and will have them back for those games.
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Regarding Jim Harbaugh:
If you are a SFO fan, do you like him/want to keep him?
If your team doesn't have a solid head coach, and he is out at the end of the year as some are predicting, do you want him?
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Well, for starters, I do not believe the hype at all. So far, NOBODY has come forward as a source, and there are too many veteran players that have publicly come out saying that they not only support him, but have not heard any locker room rumblings. Is it possible there is somebody in that locker room that hates him? Yeah, I'm sure of it. There were players who hated Bill Walsh, too. Is there any sort of widespread undercurrent of discontent among players, management, or ownership? I HIGHLY doubt it.
I want him to stay. He has a rough personality, but his players respect him and he gets results. Hard to argue with him taking a team that had not had a winning record in years and making it to the NFC championship 3 years running, and looking like they will be a playoff team yet again this year.
Do I want him coaching the 49ers? You bet!
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Weirder things have happened than the NFC standings Homer ... uh, Bosk predicts. I find it hard to reasonably believe that they can run the table after Denver with two matchups against Seattle, along with the Saints (never count Brees out), Chargers and Cardinals. Some of those games should be gimmees (Raiders, Redskins, Rams), but if the first 6 weeks has shown us anything, is that NOTHING is a gimmee.
Well, sure, I'm being aggressively optimistic. But I do like their chances. I honestly think they will sweep the Seahawks. I think they will get the Cards back for the early season loss. The Chargers are tough, but I think they have benefitted from some good breaks and from teams that are maybe more "paper tiger"-ish than they may appear (Seattle). And remember, the 49ers are missing some of their best starters, and will have them back for those games.
Looking at each of those matchups individually, I can see your points (and not going to argue them too much). But all together, I just don't see all the chips falling the 9rs way. Those four games alone, something's gotta give + the NYG and Saints matchups ... you never know what team might show up + the remainder... they might get sloppy like NE did a couple of times; like Chicago did vs Buffalo. Everything has to go right for them to run those last 9 games. I say they go 7-2 in that stretch
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Fine. I'll split the difference with you and take 8-1. Happy now? :P
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Post-Week 6 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Dallas - After physically dominating the Seahawks in Seattle, they deserve this spot...for now.
2. San Diego - Narrowly escaped the upset in Oakland; the next month will tell us a lot about this team.
3. Denver - The running game finally showed signs of life.
4. Arizona - Still the best team almost no one is talking about (at least in convos about the best teams).
5. San Francisco - Not sure I am buying the hype, as they still look vulnerable, but having the only wins over the 5-1 Eagles and 5-1 Cowboys is impressive, so they make a big leap this week.
6. Philadelphia - Call me crazy, but this strikes me as a team not quite as good as their record
7. Seattle - I still think their best is better than anyone else's, but something is not right in Seattle right now.
8. Cincinnati - A tie? Okay.
9 (3-way tie) Baltimore, Green Bay and Indianapolis - mostly because I couldn't decide which to leave out and took the cheap way out. :lol
Trending up: NE, Detroit and Cleveland
Trending down: Atlanta, Houston and St. Louis
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Oakland
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Philip Rivers - hands down, right now.
2. J.J. Watt - hard to give it to a guy on a 3-3 team, but is there a better player in the league right now?
3. Peyton Manning - and the beat goes on...
4. DeMarco Murray - 6 straight 100-yard games to start the season? Wow.
5. Andrew Luck - he'd be contending for the top spot in most other seasons.
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Rugby player wants to try his hand at the NFL: https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11703333/aussie-star-jarryd-hayne-ditches-rugby-chase-nfl-dream (https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11703333/aussie-star-jarryd-hayne-ditches-rugby-chase-nfl-dream)
Hayne's agent, Wayne Beavis, told The Associated Press that his player's "power and speed'' make Hayne perfect for the NFL
Heh heh heh...FIRE! FIRE!!
Reggie Bush thinks he can make it. I'm interested to see how he does since Rugby players always rag on football players.
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I would imagine the learning curve is too steep.
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I would imagine the learning curve is too steep.
Yeah, definitely. No chance he could be a skill player. However, I'd certainly give him a tryout as a special teams player. He seems fearless enough that he might make a fine punt returner, but moreover he could hit and tackle, as well. Dude could well wind up being one of those Bill Bates types that just excels on kick coverages enough to warrant a roster spot.
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It's very, very rare but the Pats did have one player come from another sport that was very good. His name is Stephen Neal. He was a national champion amateur and collegiate wrestler at Cal State-Bakersfield. He did play football in high school but wrestling was what he excelled at. He beat Brock Lesnar in college.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Neal
Getting ready to watch the game tonight.
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The NFL will not be a legitimate league until a curler becomes a starter at WR.
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BOMBS AWAY!!!!
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So after the TD, the Jets have been better on bother sides of the ball.
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So did Rex Ryan just decline a 10 yard penalty on a first down incompletion? WTF? And a penalty that would have pushed NE out of FG range, at that.
On the bright side it looks like the Patriots can still move the ball pretty well, even if they can't stop the run.
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Oh shit. Dogkiller scares me coming in relief. He might suck it up, but he might throw for 200 yards in the next 11 minutes.
edit: or Geno Smith might have just been being a puss.
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:lol
Vick is a glassjaw now. Onside kicks scares Ty he crap out of me
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Woah, a Thursday night game where I didn't go to bed at the half, nice.
Really good game. Slow third quarter, but that's about it. Such a competitive game which wasn't really expected. The Patriots haven't gone anywhere. Also, the Jets are not a 1-6 team. They are, but they're way better than their record right now. They were blown out by the Chargers, but a really close game here, and a competitive game against the Broncos last week should be good enough evidence of that.
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Heart in throat after that ending.
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The NFL will not be a legitimate league until a curler becomes a starter at WR.
Tight end good enough for you? Vernon Davis is an avid curler, twice an honorary captain for the US curling team at the Olympics.
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Pretty good game tonight, but I think it being as close as it was, Rex Ryan might hold on to his job for at least a week or two.
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The NFL will not be a legitimate league until a curler becomes a starter at WR.
Tight end good enough for you? Vernon Davis is an avid curler, twice an honorary captain for the US curling team at the Olympics.
Somewhat valid point but he runs so few curl routes it's hard to take him seriously.
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A bit late, but what about that asshat from the Bengals who twisted the ankles of two Panthers Sunday? How does that get just a $25,000 fine?
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Is that all it was? I guess ankles aren't as important to the game as knees are.
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Yeah, Greg Olsen was calling for a suspension, and I think it would be justified. I mean, it wasn't even a dirty hit during the course of action, it was grabbing a guy's foot after the play and just twisting the hell out of it. Deliberate attempt to injure.
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Uh oh! Anklegate.
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I was at a friend's last night, and after the MLB game ended, we flipped over to this and caught the last three minutes. When the Jets were preparing for the potential-winning kick, I turned to him and said, "This is the Jets; no way he makes it." And he didn't. :lol :lol
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I was at a friend's last night, and after the MLB game ended, we flipped over to this and caught the last three minutes. When the Jets were preparing for the potential-winning kick, I turned to him and said, "This is the Jets; no way he makes it." And he didn't. :lol :lol
The sad part is that the Jets totally outplayed the Cheatriots, out-gaining them by 100 yards. Even an average NFL QB would have won the game for the Jets.
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Man, I was hoping both the '9ers and Broncos would be close to full strength for an epic battle on Sunday. But the '9ers are pretty dinged up on defense. Doesn't look good for them playing such a high-powered offense with so many starters out. Obviously, it's not the end of the world if they lose this game, but still kind of a bummer.
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The Seahawks have agreed to send playmaking receiver Percy Harvin to the Jets in return for a conditional 2015 draft pick
Whoa!
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The Seahawks have agreed to send playmaking receiver Percy Harvin to the Jets in return for a conditional 2015 draft pick
Whoa!
I just found out about this too and I'm pretty blown away.
The only thing I can think is that Pete Carroll has a very VERY precise work ethic and attitude that he wants to see from everyone, day in and day out. If there is ANYTHING AT ALL that you do to disrupt the "rah rah" "next man up" "team spirit" atmosphere that he is trying to create, then he doesn't care how much talent you have.
Some people are speculating that he's injured and it hasn't been revealed yet. But I'm sure the Jets have a physical exam built into the trade to protect them from that.
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I don't see unloading a cripple in a trade nowadays. If the Jets actually fell for such a thing they should probably be contracted right the hell out of the league.
Not familiar with Harvin being a problem case. Been around long enough that I'd kind of assume he was pretty mellowed out by now. That said, sometimes personalities just clash. Another option is the Patriot Way. Maybe Carroll knows that he's on the downswing and looking to sell when his value is highest.
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This was a good trade for both sides. Harvin's guaranteed money is gone after this year, so Seattle could just cut him if they didn't want to pay him, but this way they're getting something out of it. If he has a thoroughly unproductive season this year, they might not be able to deal him for as much next year. They might also already be trying to negotiate agreements with other players they know they want back.
The Jets on the other hand have more cap room than anyone right now, and they have a ton of space going into next year too. As with Seattle, there's no guarantee that Harvin is going to stick around, so he'll have to make his time on the Jets count if he wants to keep his big contract next year. The Jets are severely lacking talent at that position so with their cap space this is low risk high reward for them. Geno Smith is probably the guy most happy about all this.
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Local news is confirming that Harvin was not exactly "gelling" with his team mates.
Really, when it comes right down to it, if there is going to be a disruption in the locker room that is going to drag the whole team down, you've got to cut bait.
I expressed my concerns that I expressed after the Cowboys game. I'm concerned. But I think Bosk is not being at his most objective when he says that the Seahawks "will continue to implode"... I'm optimistic that the Hawks just met their own mortality, re-evaluated, and are addressing the problem.
(not picking on ya Bosk...but let's face it...you *really* hate the Seahawks. ;) :lol )
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Nothing controvercial at all (unless you're one of those people that likes to say Cheatriots or Belicheat a lot) but damned interesting.
A Ref Helped The Patriots Avoid A Penalty On The Jets' Game-Ending Blocked Field Goal — Here's Why (https://sports.yahoo.com/news/ref-helped-patriots-avoid-penalty-133404249.html)
Right before the snap, the official ran up to Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower, who was lined up over the long snapper, and nudged him in the arm. Under NFL rules, defenders have to line up outside the shoulders of the long snapper on a field goal attempt. It's a penalty to stand directly above the long snapper:
Hightower was over the long snapper, in an illegal position, before the ref intervened:
When I first read this I though "Aw fuck, more grist for whiners!" As it turns out, it's actually commonplace (hence the no controversy).
It's not so cut and dry. While it doesn't make intuitive sense that refs should intervene pre-snap to help players avoid penalties, it does happen with some regularity. Wide receivers constantly look over at officials to make sure they are in a legal position on the line of scrimmage (that's what they're doing when you see them point over to the sideline after going in motion).
In addition, refs will move guys out of the way like this before a field goal all the time, says the NFL's officiating czar Dean Blandino.
"That is a standard officiating mechanical," Blandino said on Twitter, "No different than pointing out the line of scrimmage to a wideout."
And before the calls come in to abandon this horrible practice and let the players suffer the consequences, this was actually a safety matter:
The NFL doesn't want long snappers (who have their heads down) taking hits to the top of the head that they don't see coming. That's why officials push defenders out of the way before the snap.
Like I said; a non-event. Still it's interesting that it came up on a potential game-winning fieldgoal.
Another interesting note is that the guy who blocked the fieldgoal last night was the same guy who got called for the penalty last year which gave Folk a second chance from 15 yards closer for a FG which won the game for NYJ. As Belichik said, it was fitting that the made the play this year.
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Very interesting.
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I was stunned when I heard the news about Harvin being traded, but with everything that's come out since (nice smear job by the Seahawks to let it all out right after trading him), it sounds smart to have ditched him. They had no clue how to utilize him anyway (a WR as electric as him should not be averaging just over 6 yards per catch with that big of a sample size - 22 catches), and he sounds like a malcontent, so it was smart to move him before his attitude infected the locker room any further.
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I was stunned when I heard the news about Harvin being traded, but with everything that's come out since (nice smear job by the Seahawks to let it all out right after trading him), it sounds smart to have ditched him. They had no clue how to utilize him anyway (a WR as electric as him should not be averaging just over 6 yards per catch with that big of a sample size - 22 catches), and he sounds like a malcontent, so it was smart to move him before his attitude infected the locker room any further.
This reminds me of something else about his original acquisition. The local media were a bit surprised by getting him in the first place. Pete Carroll has gone his entire tenure in Seattle without the one piece of the puzzle he wants the most....a *BIG* receiver. Between Golden Tate, Percy Harvin, and several others I could rattle off...he's been getting by with little speedsters. That may be another reason why, as you said, we don't really have a game plan for utilizing these guys.
The exception was a couple years back when Pete went back to one of his college receivers by the name of Mike Williams, and reactivated him. Williams was *fantastic* for one season, and then went bust. But that was why Pete wanted him so bad. He was a big guy, and that is what Pete Carroll has wanted all along. I'm calling it right now that he's clearing the roster to bring someone in. And since he has a history of trying to save "hard luck cases" as long as they have the attitude he's looking for, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up someone like Mike Williams was. i.e... someone who was great in college, never panned out in the NFL (or maybe was great for a season and then petered out), but really just needed the right environment to blossom, needs a second chance, still young enough to play in the league...etc...etc... So if any of you can think of such a guy, don't be surprised to see the Seahawks courting him.
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This honestly sounds like it's exactly the same as the Desean Jackson case, except the hawks managed to get a pick for him.
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This honestly sounds like it's exactly the same as the Desean Jackson case, except the hawks managed to get a pick for him.
Seattle gets a pick here. The conditional part is whether it's a 6 or a 4.
I was surprised by some of Harvin's history. Seems he's been slugging people who bug him for quite some time now. Sounds like a ream maniac and team cancer. I really have to wonder why anybody would want the guy at all. Are the Jets suddenly going to turn him around?
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Maybe it's the name...
(https://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/d9/c4/84/d9c484b9b6ed06e95d29a7cecf60f7fe.jpg)
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Wow. Wishful thinking much, Seattle FO?
Seattle proposed sending Harvin to Denver in exchange for Pro Bowl tight end Julius Thomas, who is on pace to shatter the single-season touchdown record for tight ends, the sources said.
Denver never hesitated in turning down the offer, even with Thomas playing on an expiring contract and scheduled to become a free agent after this season.
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11727325/denver-broncos-nixed-percy-harvin-julius-thomas-offer-seattle-seahawks
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Now The Seahawks have released a statement that if they wouldn't have found a trade, they would have just cut him outright.
So, ya...it must have been a pretty bad situation.
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For as many great moves as the Seahawks have made in recent years, resulting in last year's Super Bowl win, this just shows that no team is bullet-proof from making huge blunders, even the best-run organizations.
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Wow. I mean...anything is possible (not just for this game, but for the season). I've seen teams have a bad early season slump, and then suddenly go on a tear...but at this moment, the Seahawks are in VERY big trouble. If they keep playing like this, Bosk may be spot on. Barely above 500, and missing the playoffs.
It's seriously gut check time now.
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Wow. I mean...anything is possible (not just for this game, but for the season). I've seen teams have a bad early season slump, and then suddenly go on a tear...but at this moment, the Seahawks are in VERY big trouble. If they keep playing like this, Bosk may be spot on. Barely above 500, and missing the playoffs.
It's seriously gut check time now.
Easy there... this is St. Louis we're talking about. They looked like all-stars in the 1st half last week too.
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True, but this looks nothing like the Seahawks team we've seen since about midway through the 2012 season. That swagger that usually oozes from the entire team is completely non-existent. I am not surprised the Rams are playing well, since they always play Seattle tough, but it is shocking how average Seattle suddenly looks.
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Look at that Colt McCoy for the Redskins! He's got a future! ANOINT HIM QUICKLY, SPORTSWRITERS :rollin
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What a garbage ejection for that Keuchly guy on the Panthers.
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Wow. That was it. For the first time all day, the D did exactly what it was supposed to, and then a completely ballsy call takes the game.
If he even miscalculates that throw...the Seahawks kick a FG and it's over. That was so big time risky. Today was lost all on special teams. Our defense played poorly, and special teams miscalculations killed us. The punt return....the fake punt.
This is sad.
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And then to get robbed of that fumble recovery. UGH.
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And then to get robbed of that fumble recovery. UGH.
Yeah, I really hate when that shit happens. There's gotta be a better way than to wait 2 minutes to see who comes out of the pile with it. This isn't fucking Rugby.
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*awaits Josh rage*
Man, the NFC South is a fucking train-wreck.
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Bills achieve victory today! I know it was against the Vikings but hey, a win's a win!
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Yeah, the refs suck as usual, but teams can't use that as an excuse at the end of a game when they clearly just didn't play well enough to win. I'm looking at you Seattle. The refs aren't the reason for your 3-3 start this year. :p
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And then to get robbed of that fumble recovery. UGH.
Yeah, I really hate when that shit happens. There's gotta be a better way than to wait 2 minutes to see who comes out of the pile with it. This isn't fucking Rugby.
What bugs me the most is that it really *SHOULD* have been reviewed. Inside 2 minutes. Last year, fumble recoveries were non-reviewable....but that has changed this year. There is NO WAY that play should not have been reviewed in the booth at the very least. And I think you could make an argument from the playback that Seattle recovered.
Now that would not have guaranteed victory...but...
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Yeah... I can see fumble recovery being a reviewable issue soon. Just like any other review, it has to be clear and unambiguous to overturn a field call. If reviews can determine if a player did/didn't have possession as they caught, fell, or went out of bounds, they can damn sure determine (assuming the camera shows it) possession of a fumble before a pile-on.
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There is no way you can tell from that review who recovered the fumble.
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I didn't see the replays during the game, but the highlights that I did see certainly suggested that the Seattle player had both arms covering it into his belly.
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I'd love to see a link for that, cause I've seen a dozen replays, and while it looked like Sherman had the ball under him at one point, his hands never secured the ball. Besides, those kind of pile-ups are always "who comes out of the pile with the ball" to determine possession. Seattle did not. Game over.
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Panthers good Lord.
Two awesome, gutsy plays by St. Louis.
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At the end of the day, the Seahawks offense played AMAZING football. Special teams just screwed the pooch. We should have never been down that far in the first place.
The only thing that gives me hope was the way the offense played today. We *did* dominate the Rams. They just had a couple of very important screwy things go their way.
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They played amazing in the 2nd half, yes, but the 1st half, not so much. But hey, I start Russell Wilson in two FF leagues, so it was the perfect result: the Seahawks lost and he got my teams a ton of fantasy points. :biggrin: :tup :tup
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I'd love to see a link for that, cause I've seen a dozen replays, and while it looked like Sherman had the ball under him at one point, his hands never secured the ball. Besides, those kind of pile-ups are always "who comes out of the pile with the ball" to determine possession. Seattle did not. Game over.
Yes on all counts. Doesn't change my first post that it's bullshit that we have to settle for that. I mean is that really the best we can do?
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Getting ready for the Super Bowl preview tonight :corn
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>Believing the 49'ers are going to the Super Bowl.
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SB preview.. :lol
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*awaits Josh rage*
Shouted fuck at the top of my lungs once after we failed on 4th down and that was it. I'm already over it and anticipating the end of an era. Our D has been a catastrophic liability basically the entirety of Payton's tenure except for last year and the O can no longer carry it. Brees' snap decision making is in the toilet, we may never get a fully healthy year out of Graham, we'll never give Pierre the ball as much as he deserves it, Ingram is in his 4th year of "developing", Colston is in early retirement with concrete hands, Stills is very injury prone and has the heart of a god but heart can only overcome the body so much, Cooks has potential but he won't be able to lead our moribund WR corps by next year, and the O line in general was getting owned even before we lost our center. The last time we went into a long swoon was in the 90s and that enabled me to devote time to learning guitar and working my way up at the best job I ever had so I have zero problem with being a casual fan again if the Brees/Payton ship sinks soon.
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I've been pretty honest about the Seahawks failings...so I hope the Niners fans can do the same. Because as average as Seattle has been looking...the Niners have looked downright POOR.
Right now, I think the Cards have the pole position to take the West without much of a fight. The Hawks will be lucky to make a wildcard...the Niners and Rams have no chance. That is, if things continue as they are now...it's not even the halfway point.
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There's the record. 509 touchdown passes. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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So what, does the HoF just throw Brett Favre's record ball in the dumpster now? :lol
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Brett Favre is my all time favorite player. If there was any quarterback that I would have break that record, it's Peyton. Congratulations, Mr. Manning. Enjoy that celebratory chicken parm sandwich.
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I still think the Niners are highly overrated, but they've done a fine job of hanging in this game when it looked like they were going to get completely mopped up in the first quarter.
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>Believing the 49'ers are going to the Super Bowl.
Not anymore... LOL
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Love the kill shot after getting a turnover. :tup :tup
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Hats off to Peyton Manning and DeMarco Murray. Those guys are beasts! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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What's amazing is that DeMarco Murray is averaging 130.4 YPG and leads the second place rusher by 371 yds, yet he's still lagging behind Peterson and Dickerson. That really is a helluva record.
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Thanks for coming, 49ers. Enjoy your flight back to the coast. :hat
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Funny how things change. 2 of Seattle's wins are vs GB and Den. Which teams are better now based on the past 2-3 weeks?
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Good shit having Manning in my fantasy team. I am understanding why he is the number one pick.
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And then to get robbed of that fumble recovery. UGH.
That moron for the Rams almost cost them the game. All he had to do is FALL DOWN and the game is over. It seems so many star athletes can't control their thought process in the heat of the moment.
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...the Niners have looked downright POOR.
Far from it. I mean, I wish they could have played it closer last night. But it wasn't poor play that cost them the game. NOBODY who follows the team was picking them last night, and it isn't because of poor play. It is because they linebacking corps and secondary are decimated by injury right now. Despite that, they have still held up remarkably well against some good pass offenses. But against Denver's? It wasn't meant to be. And on the other side of the ball, for a team like the '9ers that emphasizes the run, with their O-line injuries and the fact that Denver plays the run VERY well, again, this was just a very bad matchup for them right now. Add in the short week after a MNF game last week, playing on the road, and this game had '9er loss written all over it. Denver is just a horrible matchup for SF, at least right now at this point in the season. Thankfully, the '9ers have their bye this week and should start to get some of their people back shortly after that. But, again, going back to last night, I don't think anyone can honestly say they played poorly, even despite the score. Getting outplayed by one of the best (if not THE best) teams in the NFL does not necessarily equate to "poor" play.
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Casual observation: Whatever argument someone is trying to make, if it starts out with "at least we....," "Far from it" they probably already lost before they even started.
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Casual observation: Whatever argument someone is trying to make, if it starts out with "at least we....," "Far from it" they probably already lost before they even started.
;D
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By no means am I putting all of the blame of Ryan Fitzpatrick for the loss tonight, but can you imagine how good the Texans would be if they had a top 10 quarterback?
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What's amazing is that DeMarco Murray is averaging 130.4 YPG and leads the second place rusher by 371 yds, yet he's still lagging behind Peterson and Dickerson. That really is a helluva record.
I still consider it OJ's record. He got to 2000 (actually 2003) in just 14 games in 1973 which no one else ever has plus his average yardage per game was 143.1 compared to the next best, Jim Brown's 133.1 in 1963, and Eric Dickerson (131.6 in 1984) is only 4th in this stat being also surpassed by Walter Payton (132.3 in 1977.)
At that rate, he'd have ended up with 2289 yards in 16 games and would still own the record by 41 yards even if he were only given a 15-game season to work with.
Here, also, are the total yards gained at the 14-game mark during any of the performances which are in the top 10 single season rushing yardage totals or yards per game averages:
OJ Simpson 2003 (1973)
Jim Brown 1863 (1963)
Walter Payton 1852 (1977)
OJ Simpson 1817 (1975)
Adrian Peterson 1812 (2012)
Terrell Davis 1801 (1998)
Eric Dickerson 1792 (1984)
Jamal Lewis 1747 (2003)
Barry Sanders 1731 (1997)
Chris Johnson 1730 (2009)
Barry Sanders 1721 (1994)
Earl Campbell 1550 (1980)
Ahman Green 1538 (2003)
Of special note is that Jim Brown's 1958 season is in the top 10 for yards per game but I couldn't include it due to pro football reference's site not having game logs for that season. His 1527 yards in 12 games would extrapolate to 1781.5 over 14 games for the sake of argument and would place him 8th on this list.
I know some people like to mention Barry Sanders gaining 2000 yards in the final 14 games of the 1997 season but that's a pretty big mulligan for the first two games of the year where he gained a paltry 53 yards.
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By no means am I putting all of the blame of Ryan Fitzpatrick for the loss tonight, but can you imagine how good the Texans would be if they had a top 10 quarterback?
I can imagine a team $10-$15 million beyond the cap, yes.
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Not all top 10 quarterbacks cost that much towards the cap. See: Russell Wilson.
Regarding 2,000 yards, it's still scary to think about how many yards Terrell Davis would have ran for in 1998 had he not sat out a handful of 4th quarters cause the Broncos were blowing their opponents out.
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So?
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Regarding Kev or me?
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Post-Week 7 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Denver - after demolishing the 49ers, the deserve to edge in to 1st place.
2. Dallas - good tough home win against a division opponent.
3. Arizona - still the best team no one is talking about.
4. Indianapolis - this team, following a shutout of the Bengals, is all of a sudden looking very scary.
5. San Diego - damaging home loss, especially when you see how tough their last six weeks are.
6. Philadelphia - still don't know what to really make of this team.
7. Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers is playing out of his mind.
8. Baltimore - Need to win at Cincinnati this week to avoid getting swept by them.
9. New England - Defense looks very leaky, but Brady is showing he's not done yet.
10. Detroit - Gutsy comeback win, and if they can stay in contention till Megatron gets back...
Trending up: Buffalo, KC and Miami (even though all three have 8-8 or 7-9 written all over them)
Trending down: Seattle, Houston and NY Giants
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Oakland
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1a. Peyton Manning - seems boring, but is once again the best player now that the early season surges are calming down.
1b. Aaron Rodgers - ditto that.
3. Philip Rivers - still playing at an MVP-level, but his team losing at home to KC hurts his candidacy a bit.
4. Demarco Murray - 7 straight 100-yard games to the start the season? WOW.
5. Andrew Luck - quietly living up to the hype.
Watt drops out, following the Texans dropping to 3-4.
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Despite the Panthers completely losing their identity and just generally being a WTF team, I have thus far really enjoyed this season.
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I enjoyed their last game, too.
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Anybody got a take on my post about OJ and the single season rushing record?
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Anybody got a take on my post about OJ and the single season rushing record?
I know it's different cause RBs doesn't catch as many balls back then, but OJ had 2,073 total yards (rushing and receiving) in 14 games, which is 148 yards from scrimmage per game (it would come to 2,368 extrapolated over 16 games). Pretty crazy total, but one that has been topped by four RBs since:
LaDaianian Tomlinson
Tiki Barber
Marshall Faulk
Chris Johnson
So, while I get saying OJ is the only true 2,000-yard rusher, since he did it in less games, it can easily be argued that it isn't the best season a RB has ever had.
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I wasn't trying to imply he was the only true 2000-yard RB with the Sanders comparison. I only brought that up as a preemptive strike since I've heard talking heads on sports shows throw it out there like it has any shred of legitimacy to it. Had Barry gotten more than 2003 in the first 14 games of 1997, that angle would be far more valid.
But yes, I do give credence to your counter argument (for now...)
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In fact, just for hell of it, and because I am curious now, let's look at each of those five seasons in regards to yards per touch and scores:
2009 Chris Johnson - 2,509 yards from scrimmage on 408 touches = 6.15 yards per touch, with 16 touchdowns
1999 Marshall Faulk - 2,429 yards from scrimmage on 340 touches = 7.15 yards per touch, with 12 touchdowns
2005 Tiki Barber - 2,390 yards from scrimmage on 411 touches = 5.82 yards per touch, with 11 touchdowns
2003 L. Tomlinson - 2,370 yards from scrimmage on 413 touches = 5.74 yards per touch, with 17 touchdowns
1973 O.J. Simpson - 2,073 yards from scrimmage on 338 touches = 6.13 yards per touch, with 12 touchdowns
Interestingly, his 2,000-yard season probably wasn't his best season:
1975 O.J. Simpson - 2,242 yards from scrimmage on 357 touches = 6.28 yards per touch, with 23 touchdowns
So really, while Faulk in '99 bested his yards per touch by a lot, Simpson scored almost twice as many touchdowns, so you could almost argue that Simpson's 1975 season was the best season a RB ever had.
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And so I shall.
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Not all top 10 quarterbacks cost that much towards the cap. See: Russell Wilson.
What's your point? Of course, not every team drafts a superstar QB in the 3rd round :lol
Maybe it's time they throw Tom Savage in and see what happens :lol
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I'll top your 3rd round with a QB from the 7th round. :biggrin:
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lol
To be fair, the Texans should have addressed the QB situation better in the offseason. Lots of opportunities for them in the draft, too. Of course I might not be saying that if Clowney were playing, who knows. Hindsight is 20/20.
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I don't think the free agent market and the draft was that strong going into this year. It's obvious that the QB's they have now are stopgaps. They do need to move on one soon though. No easy to do.
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Yeah but at no.1 they could have had their pick. They could have traded down and maybe even got two really good players. QB is obviously their biggest need.
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So.....Colt McCoy??? :xbones
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What's Warren Moon doing these days?
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It sucks that almost no one is talking about him cause he plays for the Bills, but Sammy Watkins looks awesome already. The Bills did good by trading up to get this guy.
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It sucks that almost no one is talking about him cause he plays for the Bills, but Sammy Watkins looks awesome already. The Bills did good by trading up to get this guy.
And with the QB's he's worked with so far. the kid is going to be a star.
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I really like the Patriots trade. They get a 7 and an a competent ILB run stopper for a number 6. Not sure what Tennessee's knock against the kid was. Maybe he's a pyromaniac or something. Still rather have Chandler Jones back, though.
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From what I've heard is that in 2012 he had patella (sp?) surgery and wasn't the same last year and fell down on the depth chart. So we'll see with over a year removed from the surgery how he responds. At least the Pats are being proactive and like you said Bart, I would much rather have Chandler Jones. Now 2 of the 3 most important defensive starters for the Pats are out.
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From what I've heard is that in 2012 he had patella (sp?) surgery and wasn't the same last year and fell down on the depth chart. So we'll see with over a year removed from the surgery how he responds. At least the Pats are being proactive and like you said Bart, I would much rather have Chandler Jones. Now 2 of the 3 most important defensive starters for the Pats are out.
BB says they have no idea what they'll do with him. Apparently he can play DL or LB, which makes him a perfect fit given what the Patriots do and the players they like to have. Nothing like a guy who can fill roles as needed.
Here's a good write up on how they might play things now. https://nesn.com/2014/10/akeem-ayers-alan-branch-will-help-patriots-run-defense-at-a-major-cost/
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Damn that is some deep analysis. Team have been killing is on the run last year and this year when Mayo isn't there. Interesting to see how this plays out with the quality of QB's we will be facing over the next month or so.
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It sucks that almost no one is talking about him cause he plays for the Bills, but Sammy Watkins looks awesome already. The Bills did good by trading up to get this guy.
And with the QB's he's worked with so far. the kid is going to be a star.
For sure. From what I have read, the guy gets open with relative ease. A big part of the reason they benched Manuel and put Orton in was that Watkins was going to waste all day with Manuel never noticing how open he always was or simply missing him.
Four games with Manuel: Watkins caught 17 of 32 targets (53%)
Three games with Orton: Watkins caught 18 of 29 targets (62%)
So, while not a huge uptick, he clearly is better with Orton. Plus, they probably don't win the Detroit and Minnesota games without him - he made that ridiculous catch against Detroit to put them in position for the winning FG, and then caught the winning score the other day against the Vikings.
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What's Warren Moon doing these days?
Actually, he does color commentary for the Seahawks!
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Racist. You know, you could just say he is doing commentary and leave it at that.
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Racist. You know, you could just say he is doing commentary and leave it at that.
Yeah. . . . . IN CANADA!
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Racist. You know, you could just say he is doing commentary and leave it at that.
Yeah. . . . . IN CANADA!
:lol
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Racist. You know, you could just say he is doing commentary and leave it at that.
He should one-up Cosell when a white player is running with the ball and say "look at that little honkey go!".
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3. Arizona - still the best team no one is talking about.
How so? I mean, I'm not knocking your ranking. I'm just curious whether you see something truly special about them, or if you are just going off of their record. As someone who pays attention to them since they are in the division, I do not see anything special about them. They are a good team, but probably not as good as the team that barely missed the playoffs last year. I see them finishing a game or 2 behind the '9ers and a game or 1 up on the Seahawks.
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Racist. You know, you could just say he is doing commentary and leave it at that.
He should one-up Cosell when a white player is running with the ball and say "look at that little honkey go!".
As I recall Cosell called somebody a little monkey, which in that particular context was racially neutral. Really pretty unfair given Cosell's longstanding tendency towards being one of the least racist people around at that point.
And then of course there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4 (NSFW, I suppose)
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3. Arizona - still the best team no one is talking about.
How so? I mean, I'm not knocking your ranking. I'm just curious whether you see something truly special about them, or if you are just going off of their record. As someone who pays attention to them since they are in the division, I do not see anything special about them. They are a good team, but probably not as good as the team that barely missed the playoffs last year. I see them finishing a game or 2 behind the '9ers and a game or 1 up on the Seahawks.
Okay, but you are not exactly impartial when it comes to the 49ers. :lol ;)
I do power rankings based on how teams have looked so far, not how I think they will look in two, four or eight weeks. 5-1, with wins over the 5-2 Chargers and 4-3 49ers, is very impressive, especially since they didn't have their starting QB for half of their games so far.
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Of course I am not impartial. I don't deny that. :lol But I think I can still certainly make a fair case for the 49ers being just as solid a team given their victories over the 6-1 Cowboys and 5-1 Eagles AND having almost the same score against Denver as the Cards did, despite 1/4 of their starters being injured/suspended.
But again, I'm not trying to argue that your rankings are somehow wrong or anything. Just trying to generate discussion about what in particular you find impressive, that's all.
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Of course I am not impartial. I don't deny that. :lol But I think I can still certainly make a fair case for the 49ers being just as solid a team given their victories over the 6-1 Cowboys and 5-1 Eagles AND having almost the same score against Denver as the Cards did, despite 1/4 of their starters being injured/suspended.
But again, I'm not trying to argue that your rankings are somehow wrong or anything. Just trying to generate discussion about what in particular you find impressive, that's all.
Only reason the 9'ers got any traction started in the Eagles game was a terrible defensive holding call which gave them another four downs after failing to convert which they then scored on. Of course they still could have won even without that, but that definitely gave them traction.
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Well, sure. You can say the same thing about a couple of horrible calls in the Cards in the game where the Cards beat the '9ers, or the Bears in the '9ers/Bears game. Those teams were getting soundly beaten, but turned the tide after some really bad calls. But those things happen. Eliminate those calls in those 2 games and maybe the '9ers are 6-1. Eliminate them in all three and maybe the '9ers are 5-2. We'll never know.
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Of course I am not impartial. I don't deny that. :lol But I think I can still certainly make a fair case for the 49ers being just as solid a team given their victories over the 6-1 Cowboys and 5-1 Eagles AND having almost the same score against Denver as the Cards did, despite 1/4 of their starters being injured/suspended.
But again, I'm not trying to argue that your rankings are somehow wrong or anything. Just trying to generate discussion about what in particular you find impressive, that's all.
Only reason the 9'ers got any traction started in the Eagles game was a terrible defensive holding call which gave them another four downs after failing to convert which they then scored on. Of course they still could have won even without that, but that definitely gave them traction.
Nah, I wouldn't blame it on penalties. The Eagles just got destroyed in the trenches because they had 3 backup offensive lineman. That's definitely the reason they lost that game. Of course, the fact that they had 3 backup OL and were still within 1 yard of winning that game is pretty impressive.
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I'm just saying is that that crud penalty gave the 49'ers the momentum. They definitely still might have won without it, Eagles did shit the bed later in the game.
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Of course I am not impartial. I don't deny that. :lol But I think I can still certainly make a fair case for the 49ers being just as solid a team given their victories over the 6-1 Cowboys and 5-1 Eagles AND having almost the same score against Denver as the Cards did, despite 1/4 of their starters being injured/suspended.
But again, I'm not trying to argue that your rankings are somehow wrong or anything. Just trying to generate discussion about what in particular you find impressive, that's all.
What's not to like about Arizona? Good defense, a really good cast of WRs (most of them young and still getting better), a dynamite young RB, and extremely well-coached. I still have my doubts about Carson Palmer and his tendency to commit turnovers at the wrong time, but they are a very good, well-rounded team, one that could still get better.
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I'm not saying there is anything NOT to like. But that isn't the same as ranking them #3.
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I'm not saying there is anything NOT to like. But that isn't the same as ranking them #3.
Those reasons and the fact that they've beaten stiff competition are good enough reasons to see them at #3.
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Interestingly, as sort of an experiment, I asked myself what teams I would rank ahead of them, and took a close look at other teams in most top 10 lists, and I could not come up with compelling reasons to put anyone other than Denver and Dallas ahead of them. I mean, subjectively, I think there are quite a few teams that are probably better. But at this point in the season, based on what we have seen so far, I cannot really argue that any other teams HAVE TO be put ahead of them.
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I have to add that I am not picking Arizona to come out of the NFC, or even to play in the NFCCG, but I just think that right now, they have earned a top 3 spot in the power rankings.
Also, apparently some Seahawks do not like Russell Wilson because he is "not black enough":
https://thebiglead.com/2014/10/22/russell-wilson-is-black-enough-seahawks-players-allegedly-say/
Good grief. :\ :\ :\
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Chicago's hockey players should replace the Seahawks.
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Also, apparently some Seahawks do not like Russell Wilson because he is "not black enough":
https://thebiglead.com/2014/10/22/russell-wilson-is-black-enough-seahawks-players-allegedly-say/
Good grief. :\ :\ :\
Wow!
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Wow. What is wrong with people?!
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This, if accurate, is ridiculously stupid. Any team in the league (outside of, say, Denver, Dallas, GB, New England, and a handful of others) would love to have Wilson.
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Wow. What is wrong with people?!
A lot of things
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Lots of talk on this on SEA sports radio this morning, and the related Wilson/Harvin schism (you don't get to use the word 'schism' often enough).
Aside from the 'not black enough' issue, there is the one that he is too close to the front office, and isn't chummy enough with the other guys. They talked about how Mike Holmgren, a frequent guest of theirs, said he would tell Steve Young to hang out with his other teammates more, to make them feel like he was one of them. Not start listening to gangsta rap and getting wasted every night, but not staying in the offices late every night pouring over video tape and playbooks.
When it comes down to the supposed Wilson/Harvin schism, of course you gotta drop Harvin in that situaton. You stand by your QB, especially a young, charasmatic one who just let you to a Super Bowl.
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This is the same sort of meltdown I was anticipating from SF (although I'm still holding out hope). No idea things were bad in Seattle, although it certainly shows of late. And if Lynch is in the anti-Wilson camp things aren't going to be getting any better.
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Man, San Diego is SUCH a laughably bad team. I am surprised their record is what it is.
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Man, San Diego is SUCH a laughably bad team. I am surprised their record is what it is.
Or how good that Denver team really is.
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San Diego is really good, but the Broncos are just playing off the charts right now. I just hope they aren't peaking too early.
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I don't think there's any question that Denver is the best team in the league right now, especially considering the opponents they've played. Not only are they 6-1, but they're 6-1 and beat Indy, Arizona, SF, and San Diego. Really impressive.
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But they still can't beat the unparalleled customer service I get fron eSurance :emo:
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Denver looks so damn good right now.
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...the Broncos are just playing off the charts right now.
They are. And I'm loving it.
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Same here.
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Peyton is simply a God right now pretty much. Damnit, we got the wrong Manning! :lol
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Peyton Manning seems to be going from strength to strength and defying his age. The only other sportsman I've known play this well so far into their career (at least in the physically demanding sports) is soccer's Ryan Giggs.
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GRONK!!!!
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GRONK!!!!
Browner!!!
Patriots really are sporting a world class secondary. I guess if you build a secondary specifically crafted to beat Denver, you wind up with one that can beat anybody.
Geno already benched for Dog-Killer. :lol
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That Lions/Falcons game was a comedy of errors. Mike Smith should be fired for the last two minutes alone.
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That Lions/Falcons game was a comedy of errors. Mike Smith should be fired for the last two minutes alone.
Starting a damn game at 0900 the biggest error of all. As if there was needed another reason to ditch this stupid-ass London franchise nonsense, this might top the list. That bullshit cost me a money game.
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loljets
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GRONK 2X!!!
I do like Browner's physicality
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Gronk is so awesome that even balls that hit the ground and move count as touchdowns.
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Yeah, it's part of that league-wide conspiracy.
In all fairness I'd have overturned it, myself. I also don't have a problem with refs not seeing enough to overrule a decision on the field.
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4 first half TD's by Tom Brady pretty good for a QB thats supposed to be washed up :hat
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That Lions/Falcons game was a comedy of errors. Mike Smith should be fired for the last two minutes alone.
I wish, but it's probably not going to happen...
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One thing is for sure: a healthy Gronk is a scary Gronk. When healthy, he is one of the two or three most scary skill position players in the league.
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I'm still more scared at the weapons Denever has. So many options
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True, the Broncos collectively have the better skill position players, but Gronk is just scary good when he's on his game.
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I'm still more scared at the weapons Denever has. So many options
Definitely going to be a helluva game. The Patriots have something of a knack for getting Peyton off of his game, and that secondary was custom built to compete with them, so it'll be real interesting to see how it works out. I'll probably be picking Denver, but it's definitely a winnable game for NE.
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Since it's in N.E. they have a chance.
GRONK FOR THE HAT TRICK!
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I apologize if this is a repost, but I got a chuckle out of this on field exchange: https://bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/the-locker/jameel-mcclain-to-tony-romo-im-not-the-mike.html (https://bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/the-locker/jameel-mcclain-to-tony-romo-im-not-the-mike.html)
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I'm still more scared at the weapons Denever has. So many options
Definitely going to be a helluva game. The Patriots have something of a knack for getting Peyton off of his game, and that secondary was custom built to compete with them, so it'll be real interesting to see how it works out. I'll probably be picking Denver, but it's definitely a winnable game for NE.
I think 2007 is the last time the road team in a Peyton/Brady matchup won. Since the Broncos inexplicably have to play at New England every year in the regular season, I think the Patriots will probably win. The Broncos are good for 13-3 with Peyton, and I think that will be their 2nd loss.
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I'm still more scared at the weapons Denever has. So many options
Definitely going to be a helluva game. The Patriots have something of a knack for getting Peyton off of his game, and that secondary was custom built to compete with them, so it'll be real interesting to see how it works out. I'll probably be picking Denver, but it's definitely a winnable game for NE.
I think 2007 is the last time the road team in a Peyton/Brady matchup won. Since the Broncos inexplicably have to play at New England every year in the regular season, I think the Patriots will probably win. The Broncos are good for 13-3 with Peyton, and I think that will be their 2nd loss.
Yeah, does seem to be that way. Last year's NE game was awesome, so I'm hoping for a repeat.
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I enjoyed the AFC Championship game a lot more. :biggrin:
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GRONK FOR THE HAT TRICK!
I've already switched to a more competitive game. Gonna watch Seattle fall apart again.
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Got the NFL Red Zone which is dan cool.
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Marino works for 'em?
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:lol
Damn cool! :lol
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Starting to think getting blown out by KC was the best thing that happened to the Pats this year. They've been a completely different team since then.
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Holy Mother of Gronk!!!
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Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
T. Brady 30/35 354 5 0
Not bad for a guy who's done.
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Gronk is so awesome that even balls that hit the ground and move count as touchdowns.
:lol
I enjoyed the AFC Championship game a lot more. :biggrin:
I enjoyed last year's World Series a lot more.
;D
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Fantastic day for the Bills and Chiefs :metal
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If Marv Levy ever coached your team, it was a good day.
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Ugh... way too many stupid turnovers and penalties for the Eagles. Should've been 21-7 going into halftime. Oh well, credit to the Cards for holding on.
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Ugh... way too many stupid turnovers and penalties for the Eagles. Should've been 21-7 going into halftime. Oh well, credit to the Cards for holding on.
Plenty of penalties to go around, but at the end of the day the Ealges just got barbequed at the end of the game. Still, great game, though.
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Big Ben first QB in NFL history with two 500+ yard games. Also 6 TDs today to one-up Brady :biggrin:.
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That game was just insane.
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Big Ben first QB in NFL history with two 500+ yard games. Also 6 TDs today to one-up Brady :biggrin:.
One QB took the foot off the pedal. The other couldn't.
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Man. I just don't know what to make of the Saints. I was literally completely at peace with the Saints fading and me being able to turn my Sundays into less vegetative days and then I have this ambivalent wrench thrown into the gears.
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(https://i.imgur.com/XKSC6Dp.jpg)
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As usual, whenever the Packers face a good offense, they melt. If our recipe for success is riding Aaron and hoping the defense stumbles upon one or two turnovers, we're in for another rough one and done come January.
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It's hard to see the Packers coming out of the NFC, unless their defense gets a lot better really fast. They've lost by double digits to every NFC team they've had to play on the road thus far.
I am surprised there wasn't any chatter about the offensive PI that negated Steve Smith's TD late that would have probably given Baltimore the win. While it bit tick-tacky, he did push off, and I've seen defensive backs called for PI for a lot worse, so I was fine with it.
Pretty crazy passing day by the Steelers yesterday. Every time I looked up, they had scored again. :lol :lol
I'm amused to see how much ESPN is still talking about the Jets. Okay, okay, I know it's the NY factor, but between Tebow two years ago and this nonsense, I've never seen so much coverage of a non-contender as I have the last three seasons. Meanwhile, the Bills, Cardinals and Browns, all of whom are over .500, barely get talked about.
Speaking of those Cardinals, anyone still have any doubts as to them being a top NFC contender?
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Speaking of those Cardinals, anyone still have any doubts as to them being a top NFC contender?
After beating Philly, I think they've earned it.
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It's still rumor, but remember, if it happens, I called it.
The Hawks are eyeballing V-Jax.
Can't paste the link tho, darn it.
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Speaking of those Cardinals, anyone still have any doubts as to them being a top NFC contender?
After beating Philly, I think they've earned it.
They didn't beat Philly. Philly beat Philly.
But I agree the cards are underappreciated
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It's still rumor, but remember, if it happens, I called it.
The Hawks are eyeballing V-Jax.
Can't paste the link tho, darn it.
Along with a few others. NE seems to be in the hunt, as well. I don't think it'd work for them, but who the hell knows anymore.
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Fantastic day for the Bills and Chiefs :metal
Bills played horrible. I get that they scored 40 points but the Jets GAVE THEM 6 OF THEIR POSSESSIONS. lol
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Fantastic day for the Bills and Chiefs :metal
Bills played horrible. I get that they scored 40 points but the Jets GAVE THEM 6 OF THEIR POSSESSIONS. lol
LOL. Kyle Orton threw 4 TD's and 238 yds. Sammy Watkins alone had over 157 yds recieving and a TD. Obviously our running game is considerably weakened with Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller out, but we did not play horrible.
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To put those passing stats in perspective, the Jets have backup WR's playing cornerback and converted linebackers playing as safeties. So sorry but those passing stats are meaningless to me. If the Bills can repeat that type of performance on ANY team on their schedule this year, I'll believe that they played great. The Jets are the worst team in the league right now.
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That tackle at the 6 yard line was a bit embarrassing though. Youngsters need to learn not to celebrate until after they cross the goal line. :lol
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That tackle at the 6 yard line was a bit embarrassing though. Youngsters need to learn not to celebrate until after they cross the goal line. :lol
It definitely was, but he made up for it with his touchdown later, he kept looking back to see he was in the clear before he started slowing down to burn time.
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DAMN!!! That skins gunner knocked the piss outta that Cowboys returner!
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DAMN!!! That skins gunner knocked the piss outta that Cowboys returner!
Yeah, since when are you allowed to hit a returner in the face with both hands?
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DAMN!!! That skins gunner knocked the piss outta that Cowboys returner!
Yeah, since when are you allowed to hit a returner in the face with both hands?
Skins know nothing about class when it comes to playing ball.
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Just rewound it and watched it four times. Gunner was going for the shoulders, returner flinched anticipating contact thus lowering his face into the line of impact. At full speed, there's no way the tackler could've adjusted to avoid it. Zero ill intent beyond a devastating, fully-legal hit.
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That tackle at the 6 yard line was a bit embarrassing though. Youngsters need to learn not to celebrate until after they cross the goal line. :lol
It definitely was, but he made up for it with his touchdown later, he kept looking back to see he was in the clear before he started slowing down to burn time.
That's good. Unless the guy in question is a total douche, I always feel bad for guys when stupid stuff like that happens. If you can make up for it in some way, it's more palatable.
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Desean Jackson has mastered this sort of fail.
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That tackle at the 6 yard line was a bit embarrassing though. Youngsters need to learn not to celebrate until after they cross the goal line. :lol
It definitely was, but he made up for it with his touchdown later, he kept looking back to see he was in the clear before he started slowing down to burn time.
That's good. Unless the guy in question is a total douche, I always feel bad for guys when stupid stuff like that happens. If you can make up for it in some way, it's more palatable.
Yeah, luckily Sammy Watkins has been nothing but a class act rookie, and as long as he learns from any mistakes and works to improve himself, can't get mad at the guy, he's been a great asset for the team so far, and I'm so glad the Bills made sure to snatch him.
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Fantastic day for the Bills and Chiefs :metal
Bills played horrible. I get that they scored 40 points but the Jets GAVE THEM 6 OF THEIR POSSESSIONS. lol
No, the Bills took them away. They are called takeaways for a reason. ;)
As for Watkins, it's not like he was high-stepping or holding the ball out like Leon Lett; he held a finger up and slowed down a tad, cause he likely had no idea the DB was that close. Not a big deal, IMO.
Also, Jay Gruden's decision to start Colt McCoy looks really poor; McCoy looks awful. Kirk Cousins wasn't playing that well, but he was still a lot better than McCoy.
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Just rewound it and watched it four times. Gunner was going for the shoulders, returner flinched anticipating contact thus lowering his face into the line of impact. At full speed, there's no way the tackler could've adjusted to avoid it. Zero ill intent beyond a devastating, fully-legal hit.
Yeah, ask DJ Swearinger how many shits the league has to give about intent or impossibility of avoiding contact. You hit a receiver, kicker or a quarterback in the head it doesn't make any difference if it was avoidable or not.
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Well, that 1st half was a snooze fest except for the Dez Bryant TD. What a beast.
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I hope Romo is ok :\
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Just rewound it and watched it four times. Gunner was going for the shoulders, returner flinched anticipating contact thus lowering his face into the line of impact. At full speed, there's no way the tackler could've adjusted to avoid it. Zero ill intent beyond a devastating, fully-legal hit.
Yeah, ask DJ Swearinger how many shits the league has to give about intent or impossibility of avoiding contact. You hit a receiver, kicker or a quarterback in the head it doesn't make any difference if it was avoidable or not.
Refs usually only overreact that poorly if it involves a QB or a "defenseless" player scenario and neither applied here.
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Just rewound it and watched it four times. Gunner was going for the shoulders, returner flinched anticipating contact thus lowering his face into the line of impact. At full speed, there's no way the tackler could've adjusted to avoid it. Zero ill intent beyond a devastating, fully-legal hit.
Yeah, ask DJ Swearinger how many shits the league has to give about intent or impossibility of avoiding contact. You hit a receiver, kicker or a quarterback in the head it doesn't make any difference if it was avoidable or not.
Refs usually only overreact that poorly if it involves a QB or a "defenseless" player scenario and neither applied here.
There's something to be said about being consistent.
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I meant it's shitty for the call to be made erroneously, regardless of context, but even the league usually doesn't call unnecessary roughness where it's the ball carrier's choosing to move their head into oncoming traffic in situations involving neither a QB nor defenseless player.
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I meant it's shitty for the call to be made erroneously, regardless of context, but even the league usually doesn't call unnecessary roughness where it's the ball carrier's choosing to move their head into oncoming traffic in situations involving neither a QB nor defenseless player.
In two separate posts you said he took a brutal hit and that he was hit in the head. You can't even scratch your balls in the NFL without a flag for hands to the face, and that hit certainly involved two pretty hard ones. If you want to say that it's no flag if it's unavoidable then I'd vote for that, but it's not the case. Like JB said, at least be consistent.
In the mean time this has turned into a damned entertaining game.
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In the mean time this has turned into a damned entertaining game.
Any game where it looks like Dallas may lose should be considered "entertaining." But I am glad I am not a Redskins fan. They had this in the bag, but screwed it up pretty badly with that penalty and sack.
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Well, here we go. 2:00 drill to win the game. Hmm...oh wait, nevermind. OT.
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I won the work football pool for the second time this season! $80 wooo hooo!!
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I've never seen two teams fight so hard to try to prove who wants it less.
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Great team loss. How bout them Cowboys.
:clap:
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I'm a Texas Longhorn football fan. SO happy for Colt McCoy tonight.
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In the mean time this has turned into a damned entertaining game.
Any game where it looks like Dallas may lose should be considered "entertaining." But I am glad I am not a Redskins fan. They had this in the bag, but screwed it up pretty badly with that penalty and sack.
I found this kinda funny and somewhat confusing. Were you not entertained a couple weeks ago when they beat the Hawks? What about this weekend if they beat the Cards? However, when Dallas actually doesn't win this weekend, which team will you hate more? :lol
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It's a...complicated emotion.
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Yeah, I know. Being a football fan in general is complicated these days. :-\
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But yeah, I was thrilled when they beat Seattle. And I will be rooting for them to beat the Cards as well (I don't hate the Cards, but they are a division rival, so...). That's what was so great about them losing to Washington. I can root for them in these two games without having to say to myself, "But wait...we don't want the Cowboys getting too far ahead in the standings either because playoff seeding..."
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It was the opposite for me when the Patriots played the Chiefs. I hate the Chiefs way more, but as a Broncos fan, the Patriots are much more of an AFC threat than the Chiefs are an AFC West threat, so I had to root for KC, even if it did make me a little nauseous. :lol
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Post-Week 8 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Denver
2. Arizona
3. Dallas
4. New England
5. Indianapolis
6. San Diego
7. Philadelphia
8. Detroit
9. Green Bay
10. Baltimore
Trending up: Buffalo, KC and Pittsburgh
Trending down: St. Louis, Chicago and Atlanta
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, NY Jets and Oakland
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Philip Rivers
4. Demarco Murray
5. Andrew Luck
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Looks pretty good to me.
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Nice Kev, but shouldn't it say post week 8?
I liked your comment about Dallas last week regarding the tough win at home against a division opponent. Then they pull that stunt on Monday Night against a division opponent. You jinxed it. :lol JK
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Yes. I copied and pasted from last week's power rankings and forgot to change the 7 to an 8. Oops.
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How in the world does CBS and the NFL Network think anyone wants to see a slow motion replay of Cam Newton spitting up blood on the sideline? :facepalm:
Oh, and the Panthers offense is still ugly to watch. I can't believe they still run that silly option crap, which never works anymore. Most of Cam's good runs come on making plays after he drops back and no one is open and he breaks containment.
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Ron Rivera ought to be fired for that last touchdown alone.
Saints have 1st and goal at the 1.
6 seconds left.
No timeouts left.
So, you know they have to make a quick throw to leave themselves time for a FG if the pass is incomplete.
And they leave Jimmy Graham single covered?
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I think I just watched the most pathetic display of two-minute defense I've ever seen. That was really remarkable.
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That was truly pathetic. Almost as bad as LeBron's game tonight.
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I didn't know it was possible to throw passes 5 feet over the head of a 6'6" WR, but Cam Newton is doing a helluva job of that tonight.
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Yeah, I really don't get the guy. He's actually playing remarkably well to try and make up for his own catastrophic ineptitude.
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Jesus, the Panthers.
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Jesus, the Panthers.
Definitely trending down for next week's rankings.
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It's kinda funny. Sunday's loss to Seattle actually gave me a little hope.
Nope.
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Didn't see the game last night but I guess the Saints were about due to finally win on the road. Although, I thought the score would be closer than that.
Oh well, looking forward to another loss this weekend against the Cards. :\
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ALL ABOARD THE DOLPHINS HYPE TRAIN
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Dammit Lafell.
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Back in first place thanks to the Cardinals :metal
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JULIAN EDELMAN!!
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Back in first place thanks to the Cardinals :metal
:lol. You wouldn't have been out of 1st place had you beaten the Cards last week. You should be thanking Dallas for playing two shitty weeks in a row at home regardless of who they played.
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Lookin like another Manning NE clunker.
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Thanks Fox for not kicking the 3.
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JULIAN EDELMAN!!
Browner!
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STELLA!!!
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JULIAN EDELMAN!!
Browner!
Yeah. You can never stop Denver from scoring but slow them down enough and the man on man play by the secondary has been great.
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Aw yissssssss Rams! :metal
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HOW BOUT DEM RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :xbones
Bosk...in the most lighthearted "friendly rival" kindof way. I seriously want to know how you can defend the Niners after today.
Last 7 drives:
Punt
Missed FG
Fumble
Punt
Punt
Punt
Fumble on the goal line
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The Niners stink.
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Looks like The Raiders are the best team in the Bay Area....
:angel:
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The 49ers will improve as the season goes along. We knew going in that the NFC West was going to be a dog fight, and that the Rams would be able to get some wins.
Can't wait for the Ravens/Steelers game. Still a great rivalry even though some big names are no longer a part of it.
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Seahawks beat the worst team in the league, at home, by 6.
Arizona is 7-1.
Yikes.
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Nice win tonight. Like to see that in the playoffs
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Last place records in the AFC Divisions, 1-8, 1-8. 0-8 and now the Ravens at 5-4. Testament to how good the AFC North has been. Ravens will recover and have a favorable schedule to do so. Bring on the Titans!
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Ben Roethlisberger has 862 yards, 12 TDs, and 0 INTs over his last 2 games. This may be the finest 2-game stretch in NFL history.
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It looked like the only Panther who really played up to potential was the rookie Kelvin Benjamin.
Falcons "fan" here, I guess.. but I turn on the Panthers games just to see Benjamin play, and he's had a solid year so far, proud of him.
I sadly can't get into NFL much, I just like watching FSU alumni (except Ponder lolol) and other players I loved watching in college.
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Seahawks beat the worst team in the league, at home, by 6.
Arizona is 7-1.
Yikes.
In spite of the record, I think the Skins are worse.
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Nah. Bucs have to be the worst. They've fallen behind 56-0 to the Falcons and 38-0 to the Ravens. But, upon further research, they have lost two OT games and, aside from the two blowouts, all of their losses have been one-possession defeats. The Jags are probably the worst. Five 14+ point defeats.
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If nothing else, what yesterday showed was why Bill Belichick is the best coach in football. He had them ready to play on all levels, and it showed. The Patriots are nearly impossible to beat when he has them ready to play like that, especially in Foxboro.
What in the world happened to the Chargers??
The end of that Rams/49ers game was comical.
The Steelers, of a sudden, have a passing attack almost as good as anybody's.
Arizona did what they were supposed to do: win the game. I think we saw that Romo IS Dallas' MVP.
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Ben Roethlisberger has 862 yards, 12 TDs, and 0 INTs over his last 2 games. This may be the finest 2-game stretch in NFL history.
I laughed out loud when I heard the Ravens' game plan was to "beat Ben up". They tried to break his jaw with a dirty hit, but the more they hit him the better he played. Ben eats pain like candy. He and Antonio Brown are firmly in the MVP discussion.
After the last 3 weeks, anyone who thinks Ben is in the Rivers-Eli-Flacco-Ryan bracket instead of the Brees-Peyton-Rodgers-Brady bracket is a freakin' lunatic.
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I seriously want to know how you can defend the Niners after today.
???
I would expect questions like this in YouTube comments or ESPN blogs.
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Arizona did what they were supposed to do: win the game. I think we saw that Romo IS Dallas' MVP.
Disagree Kev. Romo isn't the key for Dallas' success or failures for that matter. The 6 game winning streak was mostly due to the much improved defense and a dominating O-Line that allowed Murray to run and provided the QB with protection. The last 2 games, those areas were practically non-existent. I highly doubt that Dallas would've won had Romo been able to play.
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I seriously want to know how you can defend the Niners after today.
???
I would expect questions like this in YouTube comments or ESPN blogs.
I hate text...all tone is lost. You should know by now that I love you and respect you, and just like to playfully poke at you. Maybe I'm not doing it right. :P
Just remember to always picture me with a smile, a swagger, and a bro-hug. Don't take it too seriously...
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I can't help but wonder.
You know how the undefeated Dolphins team always pops champagne when the last unbeaten falls each year? Are the 2008 Lions watching the Raiders, wondering when the last winless team will fall?
And if the Raiders win, what will the 2008 Lions drink in celebration? I vote Mad Dog 20/20 myself. :rollin
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I seriously want to know how you can defend the Niners after today.
???
I would expect questions like this in YouTube comments or ESPN blogs.
I hate text...all tone is lost. You should know by now that I love you and respect you, and just like to playfully poke at you. Maybe I'm not doing it right. :P
Just remember to always picture me with a smile, a swagger, and a bro-hug. Don't take it too seriously...
Can't say that I blame him Jammindude. His team just got beat at home against the division bottom feeders. Same thing happened to my team last Monday Night. I wasn't in the mood for even a remotely playful poke. :lol
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Arizona did what they were supposed to do: win the game. I think we saw that Romo IS Dallas' MVP.
Disagree Kev. Romo isn't the key for Dallas' success or failures for that matter. The 6 game winning streak was mostly due to the much improved defense and a dominating O-Line that allowed Murray to run and provided the QB with protection. The last 2 games, those areas were practically non-existent. I highly doubt that Dallas would've won had Romo been able to play.
I think AZ probably still would have won but it'd be a completely different ballgame. For one thing Dallas was competitive for most of the game. It wouldn't have taken much of an improvement to swing the pendulum a bit. More importantly, AZ would have had to play a very different game. They had no reason to be scared of Weeden. With Romo in the game you've got two things to worry about. This leads to play action. With him back there it's entirely possible Murray runs all over them. Moreover, if Murray runs all over them the Cowboy's D has a completely different game to play. My hunch is that Dallas would have played better and AZ would have upped their game accordingly.
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I seriously want to know how you can defend the Niners after today.
???
I would expect questions like this in YouTube comments or ESPN blogs.
I hate text...all tone is lost. You should know by now that I love you and respect you, and just like to playfully poke at you. Maybe I'm not doing it right. :P
Just remember to always picture me with a smile, a swagger, and a bro-hug. Don't take it too seriously...
Can't say that I blame him Jammindude. His team just got beat at home against the division bottom feeders. Same thing happened to my team last Monday Night. I wasn't in the mood for even a remotely playful poke. :lol
Their defense actually played well. But the offense is struggling. I know there is some unrest about them not running the ball enough, not only in this game, but in a few others, and them "not having an identity" as a result (i.e., they cannot decide what kind of offense they are). But (1) they purposely built a passing game during the offseason, so of course they are going to use it; (2) when the running game flat-out isn't working, you have to try to pass.
The biggest issue is their offensive line, honestly. It is such an underrated part of the offense, but the bottom line is, you can't have an effective passing or running game without a good o-line, and between losing their all-pro center in the offseason and the injuries this season, they o-line is weak right now, and the Rams exploited it all day. The 49ers lost to an inferior team because they got unequivocally beat all day at the offensive line of scrimmage, and that trend is likely to continue if they do not find a way to fix the line.
Equally disconcerting was the fact that they had two weeks to prepare given the bye, and they just looked flat. Maybe that is just because of their o-line playing so poorly, but it's hard to tell. If that is what it was, I am willing to give them a bit of a pass. But if not, that is a bigger issue because that is a problem that runs a lot deeper.
Hard to say what will happen to them this season. This is now the third game they have lost that they really should have won. "Glass half empty" mentality says that they have big problems and are done. "Glass half full" mentality says they are still a great team that has had some setbacks due to injuries and some other factors, and recognizes that they are still in the playoff hunt. Really hard to tell where this season is going to go at this point. It could go either way.
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After the last 3 weeks, anyone who thinks Ben is in the Rivers-Eli-Flacco-Ryan bracket instead of the Brees-Peyton-Rodgers-Brady bracket is a freakin' lunatic.
I don't think Eli is in that bracket anymore. :lol
To me, Ben still sits comfortably in the 5-7 range of QBs. Not elite enough to be top tier with Peyton, Rodgers, etc., but still pretty damn great. A great 3-week stretch doesn't change that.
Arizona did what they were supposed to do: win the game. I think we saw that Romo IS Dallas' MVP.
Disagree Kev. Romo isn't the key for Dallas' success or failures for that matter. The 6 game winning streak was mostly due to the much improved defense and a dominating O-Line that allowed Murray to run and provided the QB with protection. The last 2 games, those areas were practically non-existent. I highly doubt that Dallas would've won had Romo been able to play.
Maybe not, but they would have had a much, much better chance. And Dallas' D really isn't that much better on a per-play basis this year than they were last year; they are just not on the field nearly as much cause of how well the offense has eaten the clock by running the ball a lot.
Crazy fact: 11 of the 16 AFC teams are currently over .500 favorite. And the Houston Texans, with J.J. Watt and Arian Foster, are NOT one of them. That is nuts.
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Ben Roethlisberger has 862 yards, 12 TDs, and 0 INTs over his last 2 games. This may be the finest 2-game stretch in NFL history.
I laughed out loud when I heard the Ravens' game plan was to "beat Ben up". They tried to break his jaw with a dirty hit, but the more they hit him the better he played. Ben eats pain like candy. He and Antonio Brown are firmly in the MVP discussion.
After the last 3 weeks, anyone who thinks Ben is in the Rivers-Eli-Flacco-Ryan bracket instead of the Brees-Peyton-Rodgers-Brady bracket is a freakin' lunatic.
Yess!
Are you a Steelers fan?
Anyone else aside from me a diehard Steelers fan?
It'd be nice if someone else was, as I live 15 minutes out of Philly so everyone around here are Eagles fans.
I do love the Eagles as well, but got into the Steelers when I was 7 and have never looked back.
May be going to New York next week to see them play the Jets.
Ben has been incredible. 3 weeks ago, my dad texted me "Ben should retire." It was a few minutes before they scored 3 touchdowns in 70-ish seconds against the Texans. From that point on, he has had arguably the best 2 weeks of any QB in NFL history, as Dream Team said.
Also notable: Ben jumped from 24th to 20th all time in passing TD's after yesterday's game. By the end of the year, it's possible he could be 11th, and be only a few away from Montana at 10th. Not saying he is in Montana's league (who I consider to be the GOAT unless Manning wins another SB or two). But still a cool fact.
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Arizona did what they were supposed to do: win the game. I think we saw that Romo IS Dallas' MVP.
Disagree Kev. Romo isn't the key for Dallas' success or failures for that matter. The 6 game winning streak was mostly due to the much improved defense and a dominating O-Line that allowed Murray to run and provided the QB with protection. The last 2 games, those areas were practically non-existent. I highly doubt that Dallas would've won had Romo been able to play.
Maybe not, but they would have had a much, much better chance. And Dallas' D really isn't that much better on a per-play basis this year than they were last year; they are just not on the field nearly as much cause of how well the offense has eaten the clock by running the ball a lot.
Crazy fact: 11 of the 16 AFC teams are currently over .500 favorite. And the Houston Texans, with J.J. Watt and Arian Foster, are NOT one of them. That is nuts.
I'd say that's a fair assessment. Romo does give them a better chance, but that O-line has dialed it down a notch or two. They were playing well enough to mask the other deficiencies. Not really too sure about Weeden as a backup either. O-line needs to rally.
On another note regarding Denver. I think Peyton was too hard on himself last night in that press conference. He may not have played as well as has been, but he played a very well coached team in Foxboro which is never an easy place to win.
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I'd say that's a fair assessment. Romo does give them a better chance, but that O-line has dialed it down a notch or two. They were playing well enough to mask the other deficiencies. Not really too sure about Weeden as a backup either. O-line needs to rally.
I didn't watch the game so I'm not entirely sure, but it seems like Romo being out allows defenses to key on stopping Murray, hence the O-Line has a lot more men in the box to deal with. Whereas before, if you stack the box to stop Murray, Romo just throws it to a single-covered Dez. So I think Weeden being in there affects not just the passing offense, but the rushing attack as well.
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On another note regarding Denver. I think Peyton was too hard on himself last night in that press conference. He may not have played as well as has been, but he played a very well coached team in Foxboro which is never an easy place to win.
He did what great quarterbacks and leaders are supposed to do: take blame for the loss, instead of pointing fingers.
Personally, I didn't like that the Broncos came out not in ATTACK mode at all on offense. The first two drives were all runs and dink passes. Not until the 3rd drive did they attack at all, and boom, they scored a touchdown.
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Not that it would have had a bearing on the outcome, but can someone explain to me why Peyton has to play AT New England every single year?
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Not that it would have had a bearing on the outcome, but can someone explain to me why Peyton has to play AT New England every single year?
If both teams win their division this year, they will play at Denver next year.
For the longest time, it felt like the Pats were going to Denver every year.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/game_query.cgi?tm1=nwe&tm2=den&yr=all
In the late 90's there were a lot of games in Denver, but recently, NE has had more home games.
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Not that it would have had a bearing on the outcome, but can someone explain to me why Peyton has to play AT New England every single year?
Facts:
-Of the 16 times Brady and Manning have gone head-to-head, 10 of them have been in New England, including 8 of the 12 in the regular season.
-2007 is the last time the QB playing on the road won.
-2001 was when Indy and NE were still in the same division. NE won both games that year, which was a down one for the Colts, who went 6-10.
-In the last four Brady/Manning regular season games, NE was the home team.
So yeah, I can't help but wonder what the head-to-head record would be if Manning had been lucky enough to have 2/3 of the regular season games between the two on his home field.
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The worst part of this week every year is constantly hearing the Brady/Manning head to head jibba jabba.
The sports radio debates are nauseating. Honestly, I'd rather hear steroid talk.
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The worst part of this week every year is constantly hearing the Brady/Manning head to head jibba jabba.
The sports radio debates are nauseating. Honestly, I'd rather hear steroid talk.
I was amused last week by NFL Network running a "Top 10 Brady-Manning Games" show simply because, at the time, that just meant leaving five of them out. :lol
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I cannot understand how the Broncos play mos g of yh ed fames in N.E. Dome funky formula that I'm to lazy to figure out.
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I cannot understand how the Broncos play mos g of yh ed fames in N.E. Dome funky formula that I'm to lazy to figure out.
I need a funky formula to figure out WTF you just wrote! :lol
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Me too. :lol
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Goddamn I suck. Smart phone and smart owner my ass. :lol
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Goddamn I suck. Smart phone and smart owner my ass. :lol
:lol
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I cannot understand how the Broncos play mos g of yh ed fames in N.E. Dome funky formula that I'm to lazy to figure out.
I need a funky formula to figure out WTF you just wrote! :lol
I lol'd. Hard.
I just might have to sig this.
Joe, care to clarify what you were trying to type?
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The Colts rout is a done deal, so why waste time...
Post-Week 9 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. New England - they deserve their due; no one is playing than them right now
2. Arizona - they don't have that best team in the league look, but 7-1 is 7-1
3. Denver - John Fox is a good coach, but he was completely outclassed yesterday
4. Indianapolis - looking great, despite that hiccup last week in Pittsburgh
5. Philadelphia - can Sanchez play well every week?
6. Detroit - 6-2 and still due to get Megatron back
7. Pittsburgh - hot as hell right now, but that home loss to TB still sticks out like a sore thumb
8. Dallas - it was fun while it lasted, eh, Cowobys fans?
9. Green Bay - can they cure their road woes?
10. Seattle - still looking flawed, but back on the winning track
Trending up: Buffalo, KC and Miami
Trending down: San Diego, Carolina and San Francisco
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, NY Jets and Oakland
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Andrew Luck
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Tom Brady/Gronk (tie)
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This season has been so strange so far. I don't think I could do a top 10 if I tried. If I had to do a top 5, it would probably be:
1. Broncos
2. Patriots
3. 49ers
4. Cardinals
5. Colts
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How can you legitimately put the 49ers at #3? I'm sorry but that makes no sense.
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I just objectively weight what I see. Sorry if you are so influenced by your 49er hate that you can't be more objective.
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Dude, cut the cheese, me disliking the 49'ers isn't making me not objective.
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I just objectively weight what I see. Sorry if you are so influenced by your 49er hate that you can't be more objective.
You've got to be kidding?!?! You are so influenced by your homer-bias, it's not even laughable anymore. A 4-4 team with more points against than points for is the third best in the league?? There are more than a few teams that outclass them in record, PF, PA:
Miami
Buffalo
Baltimore
KC
Philli
Dallas
Seattle
Jesus, even Cleveland is better than the Niners in those three stat categories!!
I can't believe that you honestly believe you're being objective. I'd like to think you're being sarcastic, but you're probably not. You can justify it in your mind all you want, but the Niners aren't even a Top 10 team at the moment. Barely even in the top 1/2 of the league.
Your comment is up for "C'mon man!!"
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I'd like to think you're being sarcastic
Ding ding
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The Oilers are having a better season than the 9ers.
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Post-Week 9 Top 10 Power Rankings
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Oh Kev, I bet that hurt! :lol
The Weatrher Channel fights back against Bill Belichick.
https://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/weather-channel-takes-stand-vs-belichick
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I'd like to think you're being sarcastic
Ding ding
Boy, I sure hope so.
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jingle, I can't believe you took bosk1's bait. :facepalm: :biggrin:
Post-Week 9 Top 10 Power Rankings
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Oh Kev, I bet that hurt! :lol
Nah, I can be objective when it comes to that kind of stuff. NE has looked like the best team as of late and deserve the top spot for now, but the hope here, of course, is that they are peaking too soon. :biggrin:
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jingle, I can't believe you took bosk1's bait. :facepalm: :biggrin:
It wouldn't be out of character for him to have a higher opinion of the 9rs than most rational fans. I do recall using the word "delusional" last year on his opinion of SF.
Plus, it was late when I replied.
He's either trolled me (and Dylan), or the rest of ya. Either way, I tip my hat to him.
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NE has looked like the best team as of late and deserve the top spot for now, but the hope here, of course, is that they are peaking too soon. :biggrin:
I don't think it's a matter of peaking.
The Pats have games coming up at Indy and at GB. I can easily see them losing one of them and the Broncos winning out. So the Broncos could easily regain home field.
But the Steelers are looking like they will be heard from before it's all over.
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I think the Broncos will lose one more (one of the road games at KC, SD or Cincy), so we'll need NE to lose two of the three road ones at Indy, GB or SD. Really, winning this past weekend was far more important for the Patriots. If the Broncos had won, they would have been three games ahead of NE (two in the loss column plus the tiebreaker), so the Patriots had to win that game to have a realistic shot at home field.
Either way, the AFC playoffs are gonna be brutal this year. There won't be any patsies, I predict (since I think Cincinnati will find a way to not make it). I think the AFC playoff teams will ultimately by NE, Indy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore (I think they'll find a way in), Denver and KC.
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I think the Broncos will lose one more (one of the road games at KC, SD or Cincy), so we'll need NE to lose two of the three road ones at Indy, GB or SD. Really, winning this past weekend was far more important for the Patriots. If the Broncos had won, they would have been three games ahead of NE (two in the loss column plus the tiebreaker), so the Patriots had to win that game to have a realistic shot at home field.
Either way, the AFC playoffs are gonna be brutal this year. There won't be any patsies, I predict (since I think Cincinnati will find a way to not make it). I think the AFC playoff teams will ultimately by NE, Indy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore (I think they'll find a way in), Denver and KC.
We? :lol
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Why does that bother people so much?
People who say "we" obviously realize they're not part of the team itself, but I mean what's the big hang up about using that?
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Why does that bother people so much?
People who say "we" obviously realize they're not part of the team itself, but I mean what's the big hang up about using that?
I'm just joshing Kev with his anti NE thing.
That's all.
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ah okay :lol
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
While I'd probably rank Luck at #1 as well, you could make a strong case for Brady.
Luck: 26 TD, 9 INT, 3,085 yards, 100.3 Rating, 63.6% Comp%, 393 Attempts
Brady: 22 TD, 3 INT, 2,392 yards, 103.5 Rating, 64.1% Comp%, 334 Attempts
While Luck has considerably more TD and yards, he also has 59 more attempts. That is more than an entire game's worth of passing attempts.
Brady has 3 interceptions to Luck's 9.
Brady has a better Passer Rating.
Brady has slightly better completion percentage.
The interception comparison alone puts Brady right in the discussion. Also, if he had the same amount of attempts as Luck, he'd likely have at least 4 more TD, and 400 more yards to show for it. And that's being relatively generous.
Luck does has the intangibles nod though, as he is more mobile in the pocket and usually rushes for 20 or so yards per game, and has some rushing TD.
(I'm not a Pats or Brady fan btw, just making a case)
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Brady is up there for sure. But the flip side of "what if Brady had more attempts" is what if Luck had fewer attempts.
My statement is based on more than stats. He is the real deal... the total package, but absolutely not the only great QB playing today.
To quote someone else "If a beautiful woman walks into a bar, you don't wait five years to acknowledge her beauty." Same goes for Luck. He's been great since day one, and by allowing Manning to walk and by "sucking for Luck", the Colts have bought themselves another 12-15 years of being contenders.
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Brady is up there for sure. But the flip side of "what if Brady had more attempts" is what if Luck had fewer attempts.
My statement is based on more than stats. He is the real deal... the total package, but absolutely not the only great QB playing today.
Yeah I definitely agree on that. He and Rodgers are the most "total package" QB's playing today. Both will go down as Brady/Manning successors for sure.
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
I never get into these agruements . Just that who is in the elite category and both are including P Manning & . Mr. Discount double check. Ben is also very close.
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
I never get into these agruements . Just that who is in the elite category and both are including P Manning & . Mr. Discount double check. Ben is also very close.
Ben's had a hell of a run (much like Flacco's 2012 postseason run), but to me, neither are elite, and never will be. Still two very good QBs and two of the toughest in the modern era.
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Just a hair below. I agree but very close
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
While I'd probably rank Luck at #1 as well, you could make a strong case for Brady.
Luck: 26 TD, 9 INT, 3,085 yards, 100.3 Rating, 63.6% Comp%, 393 Attempts
Brady: 22 TD, 3 INT, 2,392 yards, 103.5 Rating, 64.1% Comp%, 334 Attempts
While Luck has considerably more TD and yards, he also has 59 more attempts. That is more than an entire game's worth of passing attempts.
Brady has 3 interceptions to Luck's 9.
Brady has a better Passer Rating.
Brady has slightly better completion percentage.
The interception comparison alone puts Brady right in the discussion. Also, if he had the same amount of attempts as Luck, he'd likely have at least 4 more TD, and 400 more yards to show for it. And that's being relatively generous.
Luck does has the intangibles nod though, as he is more mobile in the pocket and usually rushes for 20 or so yards per game, and has some rushing TD.
(I'm not a Pats or Brady fan btw, just making a case)
Well, at the moment Ben's numbers are better than both. Luck needs to do it for another year to earn the top spot IMO.
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The advantage Luck has over Brady and Roethlisberger is that he has been doing it consistently, week in and week out, while Brady struggled the first four weeks, but has rebounded to have a phenomenal 5-game run, and Roethlisberger's overall numbers are inflated by having had the best 2-week stretch any QB has probably ever had (but he was putting up average numbers this season prior to that).
Also, I am getting a kick out of many jumping back on the "Brady is better than Peyton" bandwagon after Sunday's game, when just ten months ago, Peyton outplayed Brady by a wide margin in a playoff game. But that's the "What have you done lately" culture we live in these days, I guess. See: Aaron Rodgers not getting a single vote in ESPN's midseason MVP voting, which is absolutely absurd, but hey, he was on a bye this past week, and people seemingly only looked at last week when they voted, so there ya go. :lol :lol
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
While I'd probably rank Luck at #1 as well, you could make a strong case for Brady.
Luck: 26 TD, 9 INT, 3,085 yards, 100.3 Rating, 63.6% Comp%, 393 Attempts
Brady: 22 TD, 3 INT, 2,392 yards, 103.5 Rating, 64.1% Comp%, 334 Attempts
While Luck has considerably more TD and yards, he also has 59 more attempts. That is more than an entire game's worth of passing attempts.
Brady has 3 interceptions to Luck's 9.
Brady has a better Passer Rating.
Brady has slightly better completion percentage.
The interception comparison alone puts Brady right in the discussion. Also, if he had the same amount of attempts as Luck, he'd likely have at least 4 more TD, and 400 more yards to show for it. And that's being relatively generous.
Luck does has the intangibles nod though, as he is more mobile in the pocket and usually rushes for 20 or so yards per game, and has some rushing TD.
(I'm not a Pats or Brady fan btw, just making a case)
Well, at the moment Ben's numbers are better than both. Luck needs to do it for another year to earn the top spot IMO.
Absolutely, Ben's numbers are outstanding.
But the majority of Ben's numbers have come in 2 games (nearly half of his TD's and 1/3 of his yards) , where Brady's are a bit more spread out over the season.
Also, I didn't want to say Ben, because I'm a huge Steelers fan and people would think I'm homering :biggrin:
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Mark Malone is the best them.
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No offense bosk, but the 49ers are not a top 3 team. They barely are in the top 16 at the moment, imo
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Why does that bother people so much?
People who say "we" obviously realize they're not part of the team itself, but I mean what's the big hang up about using that?
Because a lot of people don't think they're not part of the team? And it's grossly inaccurate from a grammar stand point to use "we" to apply yourself to an organization you're not a member of?
No one says "we" in regards to their love of a band (Oh, the new DT is out! We made a great album!) but sports fans go around acting like they're part of the team all the time without breaking a sweat.
And don't get me started about my biggest sports pet peeve: "Break contain." :rollin
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The feeling that you are part of the team is half of the appeal of being a longtime fan of a particular team.
I have been a lifelong fan of UNC basketball. When talking about a game, I always talk about how WE did. Same thing with the football team from my alma mater. WE won on Saturday 44-0. THEY didn't win, WE won.
Same thing with the Panthers (God help us). THEY haven't lost a couple of stinkers in a row, WE have. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Because you're not actually part of the team and aren't performing with them? You support them. Supporting does not equate to membership.
Again, it's only sports fans. No one thinks their support of a band or a movie allows them to consider themselves part of the organization that made said product, but plonking your butt down in front of a TV and watching a game somehow correlates to active participation.
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Again, it's only sports fans. No one thinks their support of a band or a movie allows them to consider themselves part of the organization that made said product
Yes, that's right.
Not sure what the problem is. Sports fandom (in America, anyway) has always been like this.
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In a competition, it's one side vs the other. It's not like that way in movies or music. So, in a competition, it's natural camaraderie to refer to the collective "us", even if it's just in support and not actual participation.
Strangest pet peeve ever.
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In a competition, it's one side vs the other. It's not like that way in movies or music. So, in a competition, it's natural camaraderie to refer to the collective "us", even if it's just in support and not actual participation.
Strangest pet peeve ever.
Ding ding
Spot on
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Kotowboy hacked Jaq's account.
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Kotowboy hacked Jaq's account.
lol
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I personally don't find cheering for a team means I get to be part of the actual organization. The vast amount of sports fans I know don't either, it's just people who are seriously devoted to a team that do it.
The "we" people are actually the oddity, you just don't realize it because you're too attached. I used to be a fanatical sports fan who lived and died by what the teams I liked did and didn't do. And I realized one day that my rending my clothes and pulling out my hair when the Cowboys lost or the high fives I gave friends at bars watching games didn't change a fucking thing about the results on the field. That's why I'm not part of "we." Because I'm not playing the game.
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But you're cheering the team on, whether from your living room or there at the stadium. I mean come on the Seahawks have the "12th man" I think that says it all in how much teams consider their fans part of the game.
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Exactly.
And that may be more the norm in your community, but around here, the "we" is definitely the norm. I find it is also more prevalent among people who actually attend games (or wish they could afford to do so) rather than just people who watch on TV.
Avoid it if you want, no worries, but I see no reason to react negatively to fans who do that.
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Fans definitely have a right to say "we". In fact, I would say fans are more a part of the team than even the players themselves. This gets down to the fundamental question of what really makes an organization.
Think of it this way: Do you stop being a fan because players change? Coaches? Front office? Do you stop being a fan if the current owner sells the team? Go look at your favorite team now, and then go and wikipedia the page of the team three seasons ago. Most likely, there are more new faces on the team than players and coaches you rooted for just a few years ago.
I would argue that FANS are the only real constant in sports. Everything else is a revolving door. That's why, if you're a true fan, you don't quit being a fan a find a new team to root for just because you don't like the current QB, or GM, or owner. That's why a true fan will stick with a team through good and bad, as players, coaches, front office personnel, and owners come and go. So, yes, fans ARE entitled to say "WE" and, in fact, fans may be the ONLY people entitled to say "WE" for the longhaul. Every other facet of a team is essentially a hired gun, supposed to be working toward bringing fans a successful franchise.
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I didn't even realize I said "we" until it was pointed out. I rarely do it, but I guess in this instance, it just felt right. ;) :lol
My beef is with the sports fans who bust out "we" when their team wins, but go with "they" when they lose. It's like they are claiming more ownership after a win. :lol :lol
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We are Groot.
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Fans definitely have a right to say "we". In fact, I would say fans are more a part of the team than even the players themselves. This gets down to the fundamental question of what really makes an organization.
Think of it this way: Do you stop being a fan because players change? Coaches? Front office? Do you stop being a fan if the current owner sells the team? Go look at your favorite team now, and then go and wikipedia the page of the team three seasons ago. Most likely, there are more new faces on the team than players and coaches you rooted for just a few years ago.
I would argue that FANS are the only real constant in sports. Everything else is a revolving door. That's why, if you're a true fan, you don't quit being a fan a find a new team to root for just because you don't like the current QB, or GM, or owner. That's why a true fan will stick with a team through good and bad, as players, coaches, front office personnel, and owners come and go. So, yes, fans ARE entitled to say "WE" and, in fact, fans may be the ONLY people entitled to say "WE" for the longhaul. Every other facet of a team is essentially a hired gun, supposed to be working toward bringing fans a successful franchise.
Great post.
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We are Groot.
We are, indeed.
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Fans definitely have a right to say "we". In fact, I would say fans are more a part of the team than even the players themselves. This gets down to the fundamental question of what really makes an organization.
Think of it this way: Do you stop being a fan because players change? Coaches? Front office? Do you stop being a fan if the current owner sells the team? Go look at your favorite team now, and then go and wikipedia the page of the team three seasons ago. Most likely, there are more new faces on the team than players and coaches you rooted for just a few years ago.
I would argue that FANS are the only real constant in sports. Everything else is a revolving door. That's why, if you're a true fan, you don't quit being a fan a find a new team to root for just because you don't like the current QB, or GM, or owner. That's why a true fan will stick with a team through good and bad, as players, coaches, front office personnel, and owners come and go. So, yes, fans ARE entitled to say "WE" and, in fact, fans may be the ONLY people entitled to say "WE" for the longhaul. Every other facet of a team is essentially a hired gun, supposed to be working toward bringing fans a successful franchise.
Great post.
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No offense bosk, but the 49ers are not a top 3 team. They barely are in the top 16 at the moment, imo
I just objectively weight what I see. Sorry if you are so influenced by your 49er hate that you can't be more objective.
You've got to be kidding?!?! You are so influenced by your homer-bias, it's not even laughable anymore. A 4-4 team with more points against than points for is the third best in the league??
If we were just looking at record, we could just look at standings rather than power ranking. But a few of you seem to be forgetting that in each of 3 losses, they played well enough to win and were only 1 play away from a win. Change 3 plays and you have a 7-1 team, which would give them the best record in the league. Sorry, but I have to put a team that is only 3 tough breaks away from the best record in the league up near (but still not at) the top.
But given your insolent tone, I am now moving them up to #2. Wanna keep pushing it?
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No offense bosk, but the 49ers are not a top 3 team. They barely are in the top 16 at the moment, imo
I just objectively weight what I see. Sorry if you are so influenced by your 49er hate that you can't be more objective.
You've got to be kidding?!?! You are so influenced by your homer-bias, it's not even laughable anymore. A 4-4 team with more points against than points for is the third best in the league??
If we were just looking at record, we could just look at standings rather than power ranking. But a few of you seem to be forgetting that in each of 3 losses, they played well enough to win and were only 1 play away from a win. Change 3 plays and you have a 7-1 team, which would give them the best record in the league. Sorry, but I have to put a team that is only 3 tough breaks away from the best record in the league up near (but still not at) the top.
But given your insolent tone, I am now moving them up to #2. Wanna keep pushing it?
There's also a bunch of 'what if' scenario's that could've led them to lose another game or two as well. But if you base your rankings on what might have happened, instead of what actually happened, that's cool... I can start making some ban-worthy posts, and just say "but what if I hadn't posted that"? :lol
Either you're (still) trolling now, or you're totally serious. Either way,
:backupslowly:
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Either you're (still) trolling now, or you're totally serious.
Actually it's both. He's totally seriously trolling! ;D
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Most games end with one team being only a few tough breaks away. Niners are middling. They could put themselves in a position where they weren't losing games based on a few plays by, ya know, playing good to begin with :loser:
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Miami would beat San Fran right now :D
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Some of you seem to be forgetting why the 49ers are so almost-universally loved in this country. But I can understand it, since those complaining are either Canadian or too young to have lived through and paid attention to the '80s. The 49ers gave us SO MUCH in the '80s and early '90s. I mean, they basically just GAVE US the '80s to begin with. I'm not even sure that decade would have existed at all without the 49ers. If you look at the years they had their dynasty, it becomes apparent that they caused MOST of the good things that happened during that time period. To summarize just a few, we had: the rise of Journey, the Reagan administration, the falling of the Berlin Wall, the Miracle On Ice, the first female Supreme Court Justice, Martin Luther King Day is officially observed for the first time as a federal holiday in the United States, and on and on and on. Once they began their decline, we had the Clinton administration, grunge, etc. I think we should just tell the 49ers "thank you" and just leave it at that.
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I've never really thought of myself as someone who "hates" the Niners, but if you're going to say they brought us Journey and Reagan, I think I might have to start hating them now.
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And the Rubik Cube. Now, I'm hating the 49ers.
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..and 80's Rush! ;D
Seems to me that once they started their decline, we got Dream Theater!
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Defriended
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All while the mighty Hefdaddy oversees it all, and blesses us with Joe Flacco MVP
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In this topic bosk sounds like a homeless crazy tinfoil man :lol
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Cleveland was thisclose to winning two of their three losses, so, since they could be 7-1, I am moving them to number 1 in the power rankings.
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You missed Y&T in there Bosk. Somehow I'm sure the 9rs were responsible for them. If you had mentioned them, I might've though you were still being serious. :jets:
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By bosk's rationale, the Saints are 7-1 and deserving of top 5 status due to three of their losses being by a total of 5 points and them leading in the final two minutes of each.
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Speaking of, the Raiders were simply a shot down the field or a bad call away from winning a lot of their games this year. It's nice to see a team that normally sucks 5-3 and playing competitive this year :biggrin:
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I now hate the 49ers.
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You missed Y&T in there Bosk. Somehow I'm sure the 9rs were responsible for them. If you had mentioned them, I might've though you were still being serious. :jets:
Bah! Foiled by Y&T yet again!
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There's no more point in denying it Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. Wish he wasn't a Colt... but it is what it is.
I never get into these agruements . Just that who is in the elite category and both are including P Manning & . Mr. Discount double check. Ben is also very close.
Ben's had a hell of a run (much like Flacco's 2012 postseason run), but to me, neither are elite, and never will be. Still two very good QBs and two of the toughest in the modern era.
The numbers say otherwise (a lot of football fans think looking at stats is not macho I guess). Remember Ben has been hamstrung for years by a stubborn, outdated organization philosophy of ground and pound "Steeler" football. This despite the fact that in his rookie season he had a 66% completion pct while leading the league in yards per attempt. He never got to average at least 30 throws per game until his 6th season.
YARDS PER COMPLETION (CAREER)
12.4 Ben
12.4 Rodgers
11.8 Peyton
11.7 Brady
11.4 Brees
A whole yard is a LOT on this kind of scale.
YARDS PER ATTEMPT (CAREER)
8.2 Rodgers
7.9 Ben
7.7 Peyton
7.5 Brees
7.4 Brady
Ben takes too many sacks because he holds on to the ball too long, but even after adjusting for that he is ahead of Brees & Brady. They are all in the mid-90's for career passer rating except Rodgers who is over a 100. All this info is easily available on ProFootballReference.com
COMPLETION PCT (CAREER)
66.1 Brees
66.0 Rodgers
65.5 Peyton
63.6 Ben
63.5 Brady
That's right, over their whole careers even though Ben throws a longer average pass his completion % is still higher than Brady's. Guys like Flacco and Eli are nowhere near this group. Romo and Rivers are, but unlike Flacco and Eli they haven't succeeded in the playoffs. Ben is a member of the Big 5. He is an elite passer despite never having dominators like Gronk, Megatron, Moss etc to throw to. Finally he is off the leash.
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That's great info Dream Team. I've long felt that Big Ben has been far overlooked in his era.
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Cleveland was thisclose to winning two of their three losses, so, since they could be 7-1, I am moving them to number 1 in the power rankings.
:lol
I now hate the 49ers.
I use to hate them when they were playing good. Now, it's been upgraded to "dislike". The Cards are in "hate" status right now. :lol
..and 80's Rush! ;D
Seems to me that once they started their decline, we got Dream Theater!
Hey!! 80's Rush kicked ass! :biggrin:
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That's great info Dream Team. I've long felt that Big Ben has been far overlooked in his era.
Yes, thank you for the seriously cherry picked stats. I guess by that narrow measure, Roethlisberger is the greatest QB in NFL history.
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Oh... and to suggest anything contrary to the fact that Pittsburgh has a well earned reputation for consistently (read not always, that's impossible) drafting great receivers would be ludicrous.
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Jimmy Smith had season ending surgery. The Ravens offense will have to play out of this world if they want to make it back to the playoffs.
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Ben is a member of the Big 5. He is an elite passer despite never having dominators like Gronk, Megatron, Moss etc to throw to. Finally he is off the leash.
Ben has almost always had really good receivers.
Antonio Brown is arguably the best WR in football this year (since Megatron has been hurt), and Wheaton and Bryant are both showing a lot of promise as good young WRs.
At one point, he had Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward as his top three WRs.
So, while he hasn't had a Gronk or a Megatron, he has almost always had above average weapons at the skill positions.
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By bringing up Gronk, you seem to say that he's made Brady. I think you know better than bringing up how many great receivers Brady has thrown to. Gronk is amazing but you put him on the Jets and how awesome is he? Great QB/Receivers are symbiotic.
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No, no, I just mean that Gronk is an all-world talent that, when healthy, can make any team better, similar to Megatron, who is so awesome, he lit it up even when Dan Orlovsky was throwing him the ball. :lol :lol
Don't get so touchy. ;) This actually wasn't a shot at Brady or the Patriots...this time. :biggrin:
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NO! Sorry Kev, I was responding to DOC. My bad!
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Well, I'm completely lost now. How 'bout I just make some over-the-top 49ers comments for you all to dismiss, and we just call it a day?
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You've trolled enough this week boss of all bosses. It has been a great read. :lol
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Ya know, for as much as I love to talk smack about the Patriots, my respect for them as an organization is always sky high (despite Spygate, which was a big deal, IMO). I was talking to a friend the other day about Sunday's game and he was shocked I wasn't pissed or talking major shit about the Patriots. When discussing the quarterbacks, I said, "You could easily argue that Brady and Peyton are THE two best in the history of the league," and I truly believe that that would be a worthwhile argument. I am not saying I totally believe it, but it'd be easy to make that argument, although you'll always have the people using the championship TEAM stat in favor of Montana and against Peyton, but when you watch Brady and Manning both play the QB position, it's just staggering how good both have been at it for so long. Mad respect for both. :coolio :hat
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Oh hell yeah. They've both been lucky to play in this last decade plus with all the rules that protect QB's to allow them to play into their late 30's at that high level still. Brady last week in a press conference made a joke that he hopes to play that well when he gets to Peyton's age. :lol
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The rules for QBs and a good passing game are also getting DRASTICALLY easier.
Not to take away from two players who would be legends even if they were sucking it up now. But I do wonder, whether you'd see the same extended careers from both if the rulebook hadn't changed so much to benefit the passing game. I guess we'll never know. Of course, the fact that they're both still Top 5 QBs relative to other guys playing by the same rules is all that needs to be said.
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So the NFL has announced the 3 regular season games that will be played in London next year, and for the first time, they get a division game.
Jets "at" Dolphins
Bills "at" Jaguars
Lions "at" Chiefs
Give London the damn pro bowl or something.... but stop taking games away from season ticket holders, and those local businesses as well!
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Tonight is showing why I cannot take the Bengals seriously as a contender. It's hard to win it all when your quarterback is as consistently mediocre as Andy Dalton is.
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The Dolphins play there every year. Why?
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Because they don't.
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Tonight is showing why I cannot take the Bengals seriously as a contender. It's hard to win it all when your quarterback is as consistently mediocre as Andy Dalton is.
*THAT'S* mediocre???
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Tonight is showing why I cannot take the Bengals seriously as a contender. It's hard to win it all when your quarterback is as consistently mediocre as Andy Dalton is.
*THAT'S* mediocre???
Yeah, mediocre would be a generous assessment of his performance tonight. Granted, the Bengals were outplayed in nearly every phase, but it's hard to win when your quarterback plays that awful.
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On the flip side, the Browns are 6-3 and should be getting Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon both back soon.
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So the NFL has announced the 3 regular season games that will be played in London next year, and for the first time, they get a division game.
Jets "at" Dolphins
Bills "at" Jaguars
Lions "at" Chiefs
Give London the damn pro bowl or something.... but stop taking games away from season ticket holders, and those local businesses as well!
Seriously. It's also usually a shit game anyway since one team usually falls on its face from being on a different schedule.
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The Dolphins play there every year. Why?
It's JAX that plays there every year now. The NFL wants to shuffle them off to be the new London franchise. Until they singed an agreement to play a game a year there the league liked to rotate through East coast teams with Florida taking the bulk of it. It's actually pretty popular over their as an irregular event. According to the SKY commentators the last game was unique in that it was more like a contest with people choosing sides than a circus where people were just generally excited.
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No Pats this Sunday = yard work. I'll catch the 4 pm games.
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J Dude and DOC.. :lol
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Awesome!!
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A little late, but I lol'd.
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Oh Hell yes!! :metal
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LOL
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That's great :rollin
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The Dolphins play there every year. Why?
It's JAX that plays there every year now. The NFL wants to shuffle them off to be the new London franchise. Until they singed an agreement to play a game a year there the league liked to rotate through East coast teams with Florida taking the bulk of it. It's actually pretty popular over their as an irregular event. According to the SKY commentators the last game was unique in that it was more like a contest with people choosing sides than a circus where people were just generally excited.
Was listening to talk radio yesterday, and apparently Miami offered to have their "home game" against the Jets next year to happen because they want to host a Super Bowl in the near future. Probably trying to get on Goodell's good side.
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Going to the game today. It's been a long time since I've been to a Ravens/Titans game. In fact, the first regular season game I ever went to was a Ravens/Titans game in December of 1999. I was 16, and so pumped to be there. That was the year the Titans went to the SB, and for whatever reason, the Ravens (who wound up 8-8, and were getting things in line for their own SB run the following year) dismantled the Titans 41-14. It would be the last loss the Titans would suffer before coming a yard short of scoring a TD at the end of SB XXXIV.
The Ravens/Titans rivalry was very briefly one of the biggest rivalries in football. These two teams that take the field today don't share that rivalry. But I'm still just as pumped to be going and to take it all in. When the ball is kicked, and the game is on. Ain't nothing like it.
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Mike Vrabel's Super Bowl rings stolen.
https://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/11841146/mike-vrabel-tweets-super-bowl-rings-won-new-england-patriots-stolen
Rumor has it that Marshall Faulk is being sought as a "person of interest".
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:lol
I think I heard him snicker on the NFL Network.
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WTF is up with Chris Berman's face? He's killing me in HD.
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I think Dallas beats JAX even without Romo under center. I'd spell the guy and take the bye coming up.
Buffalo/KC is a fucking nightmare to pick. My gut tells me Buffalo wins it, but I can't find a single thing to hang my hat on.
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I would gladly deal with the Saints going 5-11 if that 5th win was against the 9ers today. Christ I fucking hate watching these meetings.
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Time to change the thread title. Doesn't look like Big Ben is laying any more pipe against the Jets. At least not in the 1st half.
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Yeah, might be time to go back to ridiculing the woeful Saints. Christ, they're actually making Kaepernick look like a quarterback.
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In before Bosk uses this to explain a #1 Ranking in his Power Rankings.
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In before Bosk uses this to explain a #1 Ranking in his Power Rankings.
:rollin
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So Big Ben is the best QB in the league right guys?
EDIT: and of course then he throws a 70yd TD.
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Wow, 9ers out scored 24-7. All of a sudden Saints not looking so woeful. Looks like it's up to their defense now.
Hey B_F, a little premature on that thread title don't you think? Oh wait, maybe not.
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Wow, 9ers out scored 24-7. All of a sudden Saints not looking so woeful. Looks like it's up to their defense now.
Hey B_F, a little premature on that thread title don't you think?
Nah, they still suck. It never should have been close.
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What a dive job by the 49ers DB. Saved them the game.
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Wow, has offensive PI ever been called on a hail Mary?
In any event that was dreadful clock management by Payton and Brees.
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Graham didn't need to push off. He was in good position already.
He pushed off.
The defender embellished it.
I think it was the right call.
Also, I am pretty sure the football gods hate the Buffalo Bills. Seriously.
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What a dive job by the 49ers DB. Saved them the game.
I didn't know PK Subban also played defensive back for the Niners!
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Well that 51 yard catch was the Saints fault as well. How can you let that happen?
PK trains others on his off season.
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Saints fuckin blow. They're reaching pre-this season Cowboys caliber suckage with even better talent and I'm enough of a f***** to buy Sunday ticket just so I can see their games so no matter how much they suck, I suck 100 times worse.
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Gotta be honest, I'm glad I was in the kitchen and could only get score updates. Looked like a stellar tank job by the niners before somehow managing to pull a W.
No need to watch highlights tonight.
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So Big Ben is the best QB in the league right guys?
EDIT: and of course then he throws a 70yd TD.
That what happens when kneejerk reactions are the norm.
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Gotta be honest, I'm glad I was in the kitchen and could only get score updates. Looked like a stellar tank job by the niners before somehow managing to pull a W.
No need to watch highlights tonight.
I saw the replay of the supposed PI call....the Saints were robbed. It looked to me like the SF DB got an incidental knee in the back and fell down. I did NOT see a push off by Graham.
I was in the middle of posting that I was giving up on the Seahawks when the comeback started...so I deleted it. I still say we looked *very* sub-par for the first half and even the beginning of the 3rd Quarter....we *have* to do better. But we finally started playing Seahawk football midway through the 3rd, so maybe we can carry that momentum going forward. We'll need it when we get the Cards twice in the near future.
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It was clearly a push off by Graham. At least from the camera angle I saw. Kev was right. He didn't need to push off. He's definitely tall enough to jump up and make that play. The refs have made a lot of shitty calls this year but that wasn't one of em.
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Bittersweet day for me.
Beast Mode!!!! :metal
Raiders. :loser: ::)
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It was clearly a push off by Graham. At least from the camera angle I saw. Kev was right. He didn't need to push off. He's definitely tall enough to jump up and make that play. The refs have made a lot of shitty calls this year but that wasn't one of em.
Seems to me that a whole lot of the PI penalties this year have been based on how things looked rather than how things happened. It looked like he pushed off, but in reality I don't think he applied any force at all to the DB. Similar thing happened to the Cowboys today. You have to interfere with the other player's ability to make a play. Having a hand on him when he falls down doesn't qualify. Honestly, the game is being called so tight right now that it's really kind of crappy to watch.
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Good to see the Bears showed up to play tonight. :rollin :rollin
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Good to see the Bears showed up to play tonight. :rollin :rollin
They look like a Lovie Smith coached team. :jets:
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6 TD Passes in the first half!!! GO PACK GO!!
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He's gonna break the record in this game.
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He probably could throw 10 touchdowns if he wanted to, but I don't see him playing that much in the 2nd half at this rate. No point in risking his health in a game they have locked up already.
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Bad News Bears. Oh wait, wrong sport. :lol
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He probably could throw 10 touchdowns if he wanted to, but I don't see him playing that much in the 2nd half at this rate. No point in risking his health in a game they have locked up already.
Yeah, I'm guessing one drive, but it wouldn't bother me if they just came out with Flynn.
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Then there was the Raaaaiiiiders! :lol
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6 TD Passes in the first half!!! GO PACK GO!!
Honestly the best news today for me was Clay at ILB. Glad to see the coaches trying to fix that glaring hole, we need to improve our run defense for the second half of the season (including playoffs, hopefully).
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Interested to see what will happen to the Cards with Palmer out. For a lot of teams, missing your starting QB would be doom. With the Cards, I'm not so sure.
Another interesting thing is how the Lions have quietly managed to be one of the top teams in the NFC. Looking ahead at their schedule, they could easily finish 13-3. I am really hoping they beat up Arizona this coming week. After that, the only tough games they have left are the Pats and Packers. Even if they drop all 3 of those games, they should finish 11-5. I had not even considered them a legitimate playoff contender before the start of the season, but they could very well end up being the #1 or #2 seed.
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Detroit certainly has the talent to be a contender. I think it all depends on Stafford's decision making. I hope they do well though, I've always liked the lions
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Hell, the Lions are winning despite Stafford and the offense. If they get their O anywhere near the shape it's been in the last few seasons they'll really be something else.
Shame about Palmer. I'm sure most of the soccer players here knew exactly what happened halfway through that play. I didn't even need the replay to diagnose that one.
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I hope they do well though, I've always liked the lions
I don't. But if the choice is them or Arizona, I'll take the non-division rival Lions.
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Carolina turns it over on the 1st series? :\ Yeah, unfortunately I'm a Panthers fan tonight.
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Carolina turns it over on the 1st series? :\ Yeah, unfortunately I'm a Panthers fan tonight.
The first TWO series. 4 plays...2 turnovers.
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Yeah, I just saw that. Jeez, this is gonna be a blowout. The Panthers are clueless on defense too.
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Plus, Cam Newton has regressed big time. Okay, I know he isn't 100%, but his attitude isn't one you want out of a franchise quarterback. And his body language is awful. I think as the injuries pile up and it gets more difficult for him to make plays with his legs, his effectiveness as an NFL starter is gonna rapidly decrease.
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And seconds after I sent that post, he throws an atrocious pick six. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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As an Eagles fan, some observations on tonight's game thus far:
1. LOL @Cam Newton
2. Has Mark Sanchez always been this decent? Or have the Jets always been that bad?
3. Holy shit Darren Sproles
4. The Eagles "midnight green" jerseys are looking much more "teal" tonight than they should be. This is the first time all season the Eagles have worn their green jerseys because Nike apparently had issues getting the color right. And if you ask me, it's still not right.
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Sanchez isn't great, but he's better than he looked at the end of his tenure as a Jet. Hell, it's hard for anyone to look good at QB when your head coach is Rex Ryan (see: great DC, but no clue how to run an offense).
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Sanchez isn't great, but he's better than he looked at the end of his tenure as a Jet. Hell, it's hard for anyone to look good at QB when your head coach is Rex Ryan (see: great DC, but no clue how to run an offense).
And how many OC's has he brought in since he became the HC? Revolving door.
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Goddammit Panthers.
Of course, the division is so shitty that if they win next week, I think they will be in first place.
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Man, I thought the NFC East was going to be the joke division. I figured Carolina could keep up SOME of last year's success, and that NO would still be solid, and that Atlanta would return to form, and that Lovie might bring some decency to Tampa.
0-4 on those.
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Might be another 7-9 division winner.
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Last year the NFC South teams looked like not only would they be world beaters, with the rest of the division improving too, but would be for some time to come.
What the fuck happened there? The Saints and especially the Panthers are flat out awful and Atlanta and Tampa Bay are a joke.
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The Panthers are never good two years in a row. I was hopeful that would change this season, but alas, it wasn't meant to be.
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Might be another 7-9 division winner.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 6-10 winner. Wouldn't that just be absolutely sad. Could NO possible go 2-5 to run out the season?
Bengals
Ravens
@Steelers
Panthers
@ Bears
Falcons
@Bucs
That's a pretty softball schedule, and you just never know what team might show up from those 3 AFC North teams. You gotta think they could at least finish 3-4. Hell, they should be able to go 4-3 and finish at .500. But this has been a fucked up season, so I would not be shocked if they did limp in with a 2-5 finish.
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8-8 seems pretty realistic, figuring them losing the next 3 and then running the table on the remaining 4 NFC teams. But you are right. It could go any which way.
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I should take off work more often. Love watching Stephen A and Skip argue about Andrew Luck.
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Frankly I'm amazed that Skip still has a job in TV.
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He's entertaining (to some). In the era of 24/7 news coverage, I'm glad not everyone is the same.
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To me, the only entertaining thing about him is people rebutting and rebuking him. He comes off as an unlikable douche who is nowhere near as knowledgeable as he thinks he is.
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My fraternity has a handbook (or whatever) with history, information, and such. One chapter lists famous alumni. And included in that listing (along with a picture) is Skip. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
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:clap:
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For what it's worth he was pretty well despised the whole 17 years he was a Dallas writer. He was an arrogant douche who garnered quite a following for it. Guess that made him quite a bit ahead of his time.
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Hey, I rage at Skip sometimes but TV would be boring if both analyst agree on everything.
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Screaming A. Smith is far worse than Bayless. And that is saying something, considering how annoying Bayless is. That show became unwatchable the second he became a regular and Jay Crawford was replaced by the Lakers cheerleader who adds nothing except a bit of eye candy.
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Screaming A. Smith is far worse than Bayless. And that is saying something, considering how annoying Bayless is. That show became unwatchable the second he became a regular and Jay Crawford was replaced by the Lakers cheerleader who adds nothing except a bit of eye candy.
I will admit that the main reason I am OK with Smith is that he is not Bayless.
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I cant stand Smith. Bayless is just a goon who makes a debate by saying something stupid. Smith actually believes the BS he spews. He is one of the worst people to watch and or listen to. He had or maybe still has his radio show on ESPN New York and that is equally bad.
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HEF
ARE
YOU
KIDDING
ME?!
*Said in my best Steven A. Smith voice* :lol
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:hat
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In all fairness, deciding between those two is like deciding which is better between being kicked in the balls and kicked in your shaft; neither option is appealing at all. :lol :lol
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It's like reality TV. You watch Vanilla Ice with the Amish because you want to hate on it all and feel good about yourself.
Now exchange Skip and Steven A with the Amish and Vanilla Ice and feel good about yourself raging at the TV. :lol
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
I see what you did there :rollin
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The Seahawks defense is NOT what it was last year. Seahawk fans need to stop kidding themselves.
The "Legion of Boom" looks more like "The Legion of Bump the runner then desperately clutch his jersey as he speeds past you..."
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
I see what you did there :rollin
Yeah, I guess some great players just can't get away with making the transition to broadcasting. :lol
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I didn't even do that on purpose. :lol :lol
Also, screw you, John Fox. Yet another road game where the Broncos don't look ready to play.
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Thread title is looking like it'll have unprecedented stability.
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
I see what you did there :rollin
Yeah, I guess some great players just can't get away with making the transition to broadcasting. :lol
Hey, at least he was willing to take a stab at it. Plenty of people would just let somebody else take the heat.
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I didn't even do that on purpose. :lol :lol
Also, screw you, John Fox. Yet another road game where the Broncos don't look ready to play.
Jesus Christ. To St. Louis?!?!?! Oy vei I'm shittin the bed royally in the pick 'em league this week.
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I didn't even do that on purpose. :lol :lol
Also, screw you, John Fox. Yet another road game where the Broncos don't look ready to play.
Jesus Christ. To St. Louis?!?!?! Oy vei I'm shittin the bed royally in the pick 'em league this week.
Yeah, we all are. Then again it's all relative.
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That's the craziness of the NFL. Anything can happen.
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Tough call which late game to watch. @Arizona and @Lambeau should both be fun games.
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
I see what you did there :rollin
Yeah, I guess some great players just can't get away with making the transition to broadcasting. :lol
Hey, at least he was willing to take a stab at it. Plenty of people would just let somebody else take the heat.
:rollin nice one. :p
I'm stuck with the card's game. Would rather watch the beagles lose to the pack.
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Kev I'm sorry but......
manningface.com
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Eagles/Packers has a playoff game feel already. Maybe it's the weather, or the vibe in that stadium, but it just feels like a playoff game.
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Listening to Ray Lewis talk on ESPN's countdown show, I haven't seen someone murder the English language this badly on that show since Emmitt Smith. :lol :lol
I see what you did there :rollin
Yeah, I guess some great players just can't get away with making the transition to broadcasting. :lol
Hey, at least he was willing to take a stab at it. Plenty of people would just let somebody else take the heat.
:rollin nice one. :p
I'm stuck with the card's game. Would rather watch the beagles lose to the pack.
Eh, they should both be great games. We get to choose between the EaglesXPackers and RaidersXChargers.
Wish I could trade out the RaidersXChargers game for the LionsXCardinals game :(
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And now we'll be switching this broadcast to a more competitive game, here's the Lions against the Cardinals.
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Yeah, the refs just fucked up again. Lions close to a 1st down and yet it was spotted a yard back. Booth review should've indicated a 1st down or at least close to a 1st and a measurement. But no, call on field stands. Ridiculous. Another bad call not corrected by replay. Penalty on refs for delay of game for no damn good reason. :\
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The only thing worse than watching the Eagles get blown out is listening to Joe Buck's commentary on the game.
Fuck I hate that guy.
I can't even hide his excitement that the Eagles suck, and I'd wish he'd stop felating Aaron Rodgers already.
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The only thing worse than watching the Eagles get blown out is listening to Joe Buck's commentary on the game.
Fuck I hate that guy.
I can't even hide his excitement that the Eagles suck, and I'd wish he'd stop felating Aaron Rodgers already.
I was about to post this exact thing.
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Goddammit Panthers
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lol the Falcons are now the 4th seed in the NFC
and Miami has the 6th seed in the AFC fuck yes!
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The only thing worse than watching the Eagles get blown out is listening to Joe Buck's commentary on the game.
Fuck I hate that guy.
I can't even hide his excitement that the Eagles suck, and I'd wish he'd stop felating Aaron Rodgers already.
Well I share his enthusiasm for "fuck the eagles!", but I really do hate the constant felating of St. Rogers. That seems to be pretty much league-wide, though.
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I see Arizona are defying the Super Bowl Host's Curse this season.
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lol the Falcons are now the 4th seed in the NFC
and Miami has the 6th seed in the AFC fuck yes!
This was discussed recently in a different forum. My take on it is that division winners should absoultely make the playoffs, regardless of their record, but seeding and HFA should favor W/L. I've got no problem with Atlanta getting in, but they should probably be playing a WC road game. As for Miami, I don't know if they win a tie-break for that last WC spot. If so, they're 6-4 so that doesn't bug me much.
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I really do hate the constant felating of St. Rogers. That seems to be pretty much league-wide, though.
Well, he is the best player in the league.
The best players almost get non-stop praise. The praise Rodgers gets is no more over the top than that throw at Manning or Brady.
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Miami holds whatever tie breakers over other 6-4 teams, I got that they're 6th seed from nfl.com at the moment
Edit: The first tie breaker is best conference record, which Miami has 5th place in for the entire league, which helps them beat the other 6-4 teams.
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I really do hate the constant felating of St. Rogers. That seems to be pretty much league-wide, though.
Well, he is the best player in the league.
The best players almost get non-stop praise. The praise Rodgers gets is no more over the top than that throw at Manning or Brady.
I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't coming at the expense of the Eagles right now.
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I hear ya.
I am disgusted by the number of truly awful calls I've seen by the officials this week. Buffalo was totally screwed Thursday on the safety and the phantom PI that gave Miami 7 points, and the ruling I just saw in the Detroit/Arizona game, which negated a long punt return, was truly awful.
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Kickers get flack for not being "real football players", but I disagree. For the last dozen years or so Sebastian Janikowski has practically been the sole source of consistent scoring for the Raiders. Today, yet again he was the only player to put points on the board for them.
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Kickers get flack for not being "real football players", but I disagree. For the last dozen years or so Sebastian Janikowski has practically been the sole source of consistent scoring for the Raiders. Today, yet again he was the only player to put points on the board for them.
Seriously? We are gonna give him props for being a good kicker on an awful team?
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Makes sense. He did more for his team than anyone else.
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Loving the Pats running when the Colts playing for the pass. And a running TD to boot.
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Brady shouldn't have thrown that.
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Yay, another game where Patriot DBs can mug WRs and get away with it, while a Colt barely touches a Patriots WR and it's illegal contact. :tdwn :tdwn
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Yay, another game where Patriot DBs can mug WRs and get away with it, while a Colt barely touches a Patriots WR and it's illegal contact. :tdwn :tdwn
:facepalm:
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Man, Jonas Gray is running angry. Boy's got something to prove.
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Yay, another game where Patriot DBs can mug WRs and get away with it, while a Colt barely touches a Patriots WR and it's illegal contact. :tdwn :tdwn
Was going to post something similar to this.
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Sour milk folks.
Brady's decisions are terrible tonight.
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Yay, another game where Patriot DBs can mug WRs and get away with it, while a Colt barely touches a Patriots WR and it's illegal contact. :tdwn :tdwn
Was going to post something similar to this.
I've been complaining that the PI/IC calls have been remarkbably dumb this year. And once you factor in the league-wide conspiracy to fuck every team other than New England it's amazing that any team can move the ball this year.
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That first half showed why Brady should not be in the MVP conversation. The Patriots are winning on the road against a top AFC team despite him playing terrible. If Rodgers or Manning play terrible, their teams are getting blown out, which is why both are far more valuable. They have to play great for their teams to win (because neither has much of a running game or Belichick).
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I could care less about the MVP. Just get wins. Dirty or pretty.
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That first half showed why Brady should not be in the MVP conversation. The Patriots are winning on the road against a top AFC team despite him playing terrible. If Rodgers or Manning play terrible, their teams are getting blown out, which is why both are far more valuable. They have to play great for their teams to win (because neither has much of a running game or Belichick).
I agree. Haven't heard anybody actually putting him in contention, though.
And Jonas Gray laid somebody clean out to allow that TD pass to Wright.
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I have but it's clearly Rodgers. I can't stand very Mike Mccarthy as a coach.
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Yeah, I've never thought McCarthy was that great of a head coach. He's not bad, but he's not particularly great either.
And Indy is just getting run over tonight.
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Indy just dodged a bullet with that touch back call.
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Fleece has been big tonight.
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WTF does possession have to do with impetus?
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Yeah, that should have been a safety on the kickoff. Man, the refs suck this week/year/century.
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I guess not controlling the ball and not maliciously forcing the ball in the end zone allows it to be a touch back. Seems like a dumb rule bUT it's a rule.
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DAT touchdown dance
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DAT touchdown dance
:lol
I know. WHT was that?! :lol
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Wonder how many people had the wherewithal to start Gray on their fantasy teams this week.
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Saw a friend on Facebook say "You're welcome" that she benched him.
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Holy crap Gronk on that TD.
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Saw a friend on Facebook say "You're welcome" that she benched him.
I learned ten years ago you never, ever keep a Patriots RB on your roster. You'll never start him on the weeks you should. NE can go against a team with the best pass D and weakest run D and they'll throw it 50 times. It just makes no sense. Same thing applies to receivers. You can keep Brady and Gronk, but any other skill possessions will only drive you insane.
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Saw a friend on Facebook say "You're welcome" that she benched him.
I learned ten years ago you never, ever keep a Patriots RB on your roster. You'll never start him on the weeks you should. NE can go against a team with the best pass D and weakest run D and they'll throw it 50 times. It just makes no sense. Same thing applies to receivers. You can keep Brady and Gronk, but any other skill possessions will only drive you insane.
Thankfully, I stay away from playing. I'd lose my mind.
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I see Arizona are defying the Super Bowl Host's Curse this season.
They are so far, but still lots of season left. I've been here ever since they came to Phx and no matter how good they were/are, they always managed to screw it up somehow. :corn
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Saw a friend on Facebook say "You're welcome" that she benched him.
I learned ten years ago you never, ever keep a Patriots RB on your roster. You'll never start him on the weeks you should. NE can go against a team with the best pass D and weakest run D and they'll throw it 50 times. It just makes no sense. Same thing applies to receivers. You can keep Brady and Gronk, but any other skill possessions will only drive you insane.
Ha true enough. The guy I am going against has Vareen and I am so happy it was Gray who got all the touched yesterday and I should win now. :biggrin:
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Geez, Eli with 5 picks again. Why do people think he's anything but average? 2 lucky throws in the SB?
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Geez, Eli with 5 picks again. Why do people think he's anything but average? 2 lucky throws in the SB?
Before those 5 pics, he was having a really good season statistically. I will say he is slightly above average. The guy has had more than two lucky throws as he had many 4th quarter game winning drives. However, he has not been very good for a few seasons now and hence why he is much closer to average IMO. I still give him a little better than average just because I know he CAN be very good.
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The two lucky throws part is a little unfair. Beside the fact that he got those teams to the superbowl by playing damn good football, the guy's leadership and competitive nature are beyond what most quarterbacks possess. He's still strictly an average QB at this point, but he did earn those rings.
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That's true. It takes a lot more than luck to get 2 SB rings. Eli hasn't had a very good team around him for some time now. The running game isn't that great and the defense isn't helping much either. Can't put all the pressure on the QB to win games. Although, I don't have much sympathy for the Giants since they are a division rival.
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Those Super Bowls showed me that Eli has some balls. They were painful losses around here, but you've got to give him that.
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Geez, Eli with 5 picks again. Why do people think he's anything but average? 2 lucky throws in the SB?
That doesn't even make sense. What two lucky throws? Okay, the helmet catch was lucky as hell, but the bomb to Manningham was a fantastic throw and catch. Calling that lucky doesn't make sense, unless we want to call Joe Montana lucky, too, for the Dwight Clark famous catch.
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God I loved that catch Kev.
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The pass to Manningham is really impressive. Not lucky, just pure skill for that one.
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Good to see the Titans making a game outta this. :tup
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Most amazing graph from last night's game: After being hit by a defender, Big Ben has an 80% completion percentage. Rest of league: 43%. 6 - 0 TD to INT ratio, rest of league 65 - 77. A 158.0 passer rating after defensive contact. That is just INSANE.
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The pass to Manningham is really impressive. Not lucky, just pure skill for that one.
Yeah, you're right, that was an amazing throw. The Tyree catch OTOH was just an amazing, freak play by the receiver. Eli really is an enigma to me - he is very "sneaky" tough, in that he can get pounded by sacks but keep shrugging it off. Then there are the times like this past Sunday where he looks like the worst QB in the NFL, and might follow it up the next week with several perfect bombs for TDs. You never know what you're going to get which must be frustrating for NY fans.
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Yes, it is very frustrating for us NY fans. The Giants problems are much larger than Eli though so he isnt really getting hammered by the fan base.
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Most amazing graph from last night's game: After being hit by a defender, Big Ben has an 80% completion percentage. Rest of league: 43%. 6 - 0 TD to INT ratio, rest of league 65 - 77. A 158.0 passer rating after defensive contact. That is just INSANE.
Not saying it isn't impressive, but looking at rating in that scenario seems misguided given that rating doesn't include sacks, fumbles, or scrambles. It only judges actual passes, not performance in a scenario. It's ok long haul, but focusing on only after defensive hits brings all those 'flaws' into major play. Technically, I believe, someone that, after defensive contact, has 30 sacks, 30 fumbles, 30 scrambles for 0-2 yards, and only throws when they see someone wide open could post Big Ben's numbers.
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Most amazing graph from last night's game: After being hit by a defender, Big Ben has an 80% completion percentage. Rest of league: 43%. 6 - 0 TD to INT ratio, rest of league 65 - 77. A 158.0 passer rating after defensive contact. That is just INSANE.
Not saying it isn't impressive, but looking at rating in that scenario seems misguided given that rating doesn't include sacks, fumbles, or scrambles. It only judges actual passes, not performance in a scenario. It's ok long haul, but focusing on only after defensive hits brings all those 'flaws' into major play. Technically, I believe, someone that, after defensive contact, has 30 sacks, 30 fumbles, 30 scrambles for 0-2 yards, and only throws when they see someone wide open could post Big Ben's numbers.
Maybe, but if you watch him play, i think he passes the eye test of a guy who can take contact and still make a play which is what those stats show as well. I agree it kind of is bogus, but watching him shows what that stat is trying to tell you.
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Not a critique of Rothlisberger, just the use of passer rating in that scenario. Of course outstanding play can yield a quality result there, too. It's just less meaningful because it focuses on the main subset of plays that get left out of passer rating.
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As pass-happy as the league has gotten, it was really a breath of fresh air to see all the ground game assaults in Week 11. One guy with over 200 yards and a bunch over 150. I mostly enjoy all the passing, but it gets silly when teams with average or worse QBs are still throwing 40 times a game.
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There's no doubt that big ben is a formidable QB and has the ability to make 4th Qtr comebacks but I was enjoying seeing him get sacked 5 times and possibly losing for the 2nd week in a row to a less than .500 team. Titans D just didn't play for 60 mins. Ran outta steam or something. Oh well, interesting game anyway.
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I think I forgot to do last week's power rankings. :facepalm: Oh well, here goes again.
Post-Week 9 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. New England - if they keep playing like the way they have been, Belichick and Brady could be getting ring number 4.
2. Arizona - gutsy win after gutsy win, but it's hard to see Drew Stanton starting in the Super Bowl.
3. Green Bay - still a so-so team on the road, but if they get home field, look out.
4. Kansas City - this pains me, but they have been fantastic since starting 0-2.
5. Denver - problems all over the place: injuries, the o-line is leaky, and John Fox can't get them ready for road games apparently.
6. Detroit - still in good shape at 7-3, but their tough schedule coming up will tell us a lot about how good they really are.
7. Dallas - Romo got a much-needed bye; bring on the NFC East opponents.
8. Philadelphia - their 7-2 start masked the fact that their D stinks.
9. Indianapolis - as great as Luck is, you can't beat a team like NE when you are outrushed like that.
10. Seattle - not nearly what they were last year, but they will still be a team no one wants to play come January.
Trending up: SF, Miami and Houston
Trending down: Buffalo, Carolina and NYG
Bottom 3: Oakland, NY Jets and Tennessee
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Aaron Rodgers - the hands down winner at this point
2. Andrew Luck - to be 6-4 with that rushing attack and inconsistent D is a major credit to Luck
3. J.J. Watt - yeah, yeah, the Texans are only 5-5, but this guy is such a difference maker
4. Antonio Brown - this is a passing league now, and what this guy does EVERY week is just absurd
5. Peyton Manning - slowly slipping out of the race
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1. New England - if they keep playing like the way they have been, Belichick and Brady could be getting ring number 4.
That'd be six for Belichick, actually. :biggrin:
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These last three loses have just killed Seattle. Losing to Dallas at home and St Louis on the road were especially winnable games that are going to haunt us.
Basically we went .500 on what was supposed to be the easiest part of our whole schedule. I still think we will split the remainder of the season, but it won't be enough.
Here's my "light at the end of the tunnel" thought for the day though.... Many times, teams can suddenly just get hot at the right time. IF the Hawks got hot right now, it would be very very big. Because we wouldn't be running the table against teams like Jax or Oakland or Tampa....we'd be doing it against some of the toughest teams in the league (well....except SF ;) ;D :angel: ). I'm just saying that if they did manage to get hot, there wouldn't be any excuses that they had done it against poor teams. I would just like to see Wilson find his rhythm again. Because he's really the captain, leader and face of this team, and he has been the one who has really not been playing well. He's a really nice guy who works VERY hard. When those two things exist in one person, you really believe that that work ethic will pay off in results. But even in games that we've won, he really hasn't been on his game for most of this year. I think that if Wilson suddenly found his game...the whole team would fall into place. But sadly, it's the lack of a big receiver that is killing our passing threat. We have one piece of the puzzle that has been missing for quite some time....a threatening receiver.
As it stands now, I'm a bit pessimistic. The threat is very real that we will go 9-7 and miss the playoffs. SF has a pretty cushy schedule from here on out (Washington, Oakland and San Diego) and if they can't win those, they deserve to have the Hawks pass them up. But it seems like even in their mediocrity, they will most likely go 4-2 and finish out the season one game ahead of the Hawks.
Still...anything can happen at any time.
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SF has a pretty cushy schedule from here on out (Washington, Oakland and San Diego) and if they can't win those, they deserve to have the Hawks pass them up.
That pretty much sums it up for me.
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Mike and Mike made a good point on the radio this morning about the legal issues with players and how people and advertisers protest the NFL.... but why are they protesting the NFL if the legal system lets guys like Rice and Peterson off easily for doing some pretty terrible things? Shouldnt people be protesting the legal system? Why is the NFL giving harsher punishments than the courts? That doesnt make a whole lot of sense. I dont get how these guys get off so easily in the legal system.
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SF cannot be trusted to win games they should win. Remember that they lost at home to both Chicago and St. Louis.
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I dont get how these guys get off so easily in the legal system.
You don't get how wealthy people get off easily in the legal system?
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I dont get how these guys get off so easily in the legal system.
You don't get how wealthy people get off easily in the legal system?
Don't confuse getting off light with not getting fucked. For one thing, I don't know as AP or RR got anything less than what the normal guy would get. Moreover, under the circumstances I think both got about what they deserved. But the bigger problem isn't rich people get treated unfairly. I'd say that their wealth allows them to actually get fair treatment, when the poor folk get treated quite unfairly.
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I dont get how these guys get off so easily in the legal system.
You don't get how wealthy people get off easily in the legal system?
Don't confuse getting off light with not getting fucked. For one thing, I don't know as AP or RR got anything less than what the normal guy would get. Moreover, under the circumstances I think both got about what they deserved. But the bigger problem isn't rich people get treated unfairly. I'd say that their wealth allows them to actually get fair treatment, when the poor folk get treated quite unfairly.
At the end of the day, I think both got fair punsihments when you include the public humiliation and the loss of NFL money, but why is the legal system not enough? That was my real point. I guess not really an NFL topic, but the current affairs in the NFL are what lead me to ask this question.
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As it stands now, I'm a bit pessimistic. The threat is very real that we will go 9-7 and miss the playoffs.
Still...anything can happen at any time.
Same here. I was hoping that with Palmer going down the Cards would start losing. Doesn't look like it.
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I dont get how these guys get off so easily in the legal system.
You don't get how wealthy people get off easily in the legal system?
Don't confuse getting off light with not getting fucked. For one thing, I don't know as AP or RR got anything less than what the normal guy would get. Moreover, under the circumstances I think both got about what they deserved. But the bigger problem isn't rich people get treated unfairly. I'd say that their wealth allows them to actually get fair treatment, when the poor folk get treated quite unfairly.
At the end of the day, I think both got fair punsihments when you include the public humiliation and the loss of NFL money, but why is the legal system not enough? That was my real point. I guess not really an NFL topic, but the current affairs in the NFL are what lead me to ask this question.
Because the legal system has safeguard designed to provide fair results. Whether or not it works in practice is a different matter, but it still trumps mob rule which is what governs a secondary system such as the NFL.
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Too early to say for sure, but I think 1 wildcard will definitely come out of the NFC north. Detroit and GB both have cakewalk schedules for the rest of the year other than playing each other and playing the Pats.
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Which is back to back for the Pats the next 2 weeks. Interested to see how the Pats D looks against these 2 teams.
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This is a surprisingly good game.
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Yeah, no shit. Especially for TNF. Don't like the Raiders that much but I'm pulling for em in this one.
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Wow KC.
And to think I was seriously considering picking the Raiders this week, but then thought "it's the fuckin Raiders though!"
Guess the '08 Lions can celebrate now. :lol
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Jets Bills game moved to Monday night in Detroit, I guess we got a double header for MNF. :metal
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Thanks Raiders!!!
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Jets Bills game moved to Monday night in Detroit, I guess we got a double header for MNF. :metal
Most likely, not for the majority of the country.....
With this week’s Jets-Bills game moving from Sunday in Buffalo to Monday in Detroit, one question has not been answered: How can Jets and Bills fans outside New York City and Buffalo watch the game?
The NFL has announced that the local CBS affiliates in New York and Buffalo will televise the game, but the NFL has not said whether there will be any way for fans in the rest of the country to see it.
The league is in an awkward situation because this affects three of its television partners: CBS, ESPN and DirecTV. CBS would surely love to be able to show Jets-Bills to a wider audience than just the two local affiliates, but ESPN would cry foul because that could siphon fans away from the regularly scheduled Saints-Ravens game on ESPN Monday night. DirecTV could also make Jets-Bills available to Sunday Ticket subscribers, but that could also siphon viewers away from Monday Night Football. ESPN would love to be able to show the Jets-Bills game on ESPN2 while Saints-Ravens is on ESPN, but CBS would cry foul because that’s taking a game from CBS and giving it to a competitor.
The fairest solution for fans would be to make the game available to DirecTV Sunday Ticket subscribers: If you pay for NFL Sunday Ticket, you’re paying for every game. If you’re a Jets or Bills fan who lives outside New York or Buffalo and you purchased Sunday Ticket specifically to watch your team, you’re getting a raw deal if that game isn’t available on the Sunday Ticket package.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/20/jets-bills-game-will-be-on-cbs-locally-no-word-on-national-tv/
EDIT: DirectTV has since announced that the game will be available for Sunday Ticket customers.
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LOL Chiefs. They're probably feeling pretty Kansas Shitty. :rollin
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ESPN reported that the Chiefs are 1-4 against teams that were 0-10. So they were practically doomed from the start. muhahaha :metal
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And with the Raiders win, the 2014 circle of life is complete.
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Few things amuse me more than Belichick's doghouse. The thing with Gray and the return of Blount is a real trip.
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At least we're back to SEAHAWK FOOTBALL!!! Same complaints I had about the team last year (when we won it all). The red zone offense settles for FG's *FAR* too often than it should, but the defense saves us...every time. Last year, it bugged the ever-lovin snot out of me, but now I'm just glad to see it be back because I really haven't seen the defense be THAT strong ALL YEAR.
You still have to take it to the house more often.
6 Red Zone opportunities, and we got 4 FG's, 1 Blocked FG, and 1 TD. I swear...we were just one big WR away from that game being 30-3 instead of 19-3. Because we truly outplayed the Cardinals a lot more than the score lets on. We just don't have the threat at WR, and it kills us.
Meanwhile...the Niners BARELY beat the Redskins on their home turf? What's up with that?? While the Seahawks seem to have everything but a WR, the Niners seem to have Boldin and nothing else to speak of.
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Few things amuse me more than Belichick's doghouse. The thing with Gray and the return of Blount is a real trip.
There is a little different though. Revis did the same thing but still played the game. It depends on how important your game is to the Pats.
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At least we're back to SEAHAWK FOOTBALL!!! Same complaints I had about the team last year (when we won it all). The red zone offense settles for FG's *FAR* too often than it should, but the defense saves us...every time. Last year, it bugged the ever-lovin snot out of me, but now I'm just glad to see it be back because I really haven't seen the defense be THAT strong ALL YEAR.
You still have to take it to the house more often.
6 Red Zone opportunities, and we got 4 FG's, 1 Blocked FG, and 1 TD. I swear...we were just one big WR away from that game being 30-3 instead of 19-3. Because we truly outplayed the Cardinals a lot more than the score lets on. We just don't have the threat at WR, and it kills us.
Meanwhile...the Niners BARELY beat the Redskins on their home turf? What's up with that?? While the Seahawks seem to have everything but a WR, the Niners seem to have Boldin and nothing else to speak of.
Whew. That game was a statement. Fitzgerald could have saved the game for ARI but still the Hawks are still in this!
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Never been a bigger Giants fan than tonight. Go Eli!
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Collinsworth was not exaggerating with the comment of "that may be the greatest catch I've ever seen". That was un-real... especially after showing that compilation of his warm-up catches.
Wow. :omg: :hefdaddy
This kid is gonna be something special.
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Yeah, that really was something else.
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Catch of the year.
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Dallas defense is atrocious. Give em some GPS so they know where the fuck they are on the field.
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Dallas defense is atrocious. Give em some GPS so they know where the fuck they are on the field.
They're making NYG look like SB contenders again. I don't mind a shootout though.
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I've never seen a better catch than that one by Beckham. I still can't believe it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hn7ur1f30g THE CATCH
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Seriously!!! Love the replay they show where he caught it - no, SQUEEZED it - with three fuckin fingers!?!?!?!
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He made a similar catch last year in college in the Outback bowl with LSU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92rauLT3enE
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And, Eli's back.
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yep my Giants are gonna blow this one faster than a 3 dollar hooker
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Wow.... if you've got 7 seconds to find a receiver, you better find an open one. The O-line got Dallas that touchdown
Still enough time for Manning to get into field goal range though. Should be an exciting finish.
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Romo never gets enough credit. The guy has the most 4th/OT comebacks since 2006. That says a lot. Yeah, his O-Line was sick on that last drive, but Romo still made the throws.
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Christ, when your offensive line can play like that you almost have to try to lose. Watching them keep a ring of free space around Romo on that final drive was a treat.
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Wow.... if you've got 7 seconds to find a receiver, you better find an open one. The O-line got Dallas that touchdown
Still enough time for Manning to get into field goal range though. Should be an exciting finish.
Oh wait, I forgot... it was Eli Manning. He made some very bad throws all night long, and that 3rd down throw on the final drive was pretty bad.
Yeah... Romo doesn't get enough credit for making Dallas what they are. He threw a couple of wounded ducks in the first half, but made the throws he needed to. Eli did not.
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That catch was unbelievable.
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I know that jersey tug was called for defensive pass interference, but the more they show the replay the more I keep thinking it looks like it could have been called offensive pass interference. Sure looks like he only had one hand to catch the ball because he was pushing the defender behind him with the other. Without that jockeying for position by Beckham there might not have been pass interference by the defender. Defender went from playing the ball in good position to flying off balance behind Beckham. Not saying it wasn't an amazing catch, but I'd love to hear an evaluation of of the play from a rules expert.
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I'm sure we'll get a nice company line from Mike Pereira at some point.
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I know that jersey tug was called for defensive pass interference, but the more they show the replay the more I keep thinking it looks like it could have been called offensive pass interference. Sure looks like he only had one hand to catch the ball because he was pushing the defender behind him with the other. Without that jockeying for position by Beckham there might not have been pass interference by the defender. Defender went from playing the ball in good position to flying off balance behind Beckham. Not saying it wasn't an amazing catch, but I'd love to hear an evaluation of of the play from a rules expert.
From what I can tell there was a rules change this season that simply means whatever it looks like at first glance is how it should be called. The only thing I can say about that call was that flags came in from all directions, so 3 different refs had an opportunity to pass that off onto the receiver and didn't. In a general sense I keep seeing tons of calls where there's contact that's called despite having no affect whatsoever on the other player. Hell, you can't even put your arm on a back to maintain position anymore without a flag coming out.
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I'm 13-0 so far this week in a pick 'em pool. Have the Bills and Saints tonight; I've never had a perfect week in 20+ years and it would be nice to have one.
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I'm 13-0 so far this week in a pick 'em pool. Have the Bills and Saints tonight; I've never had a perfect week in 20+ years and it would be nice to have one.
Good luck. Ballsy to take Oakland, but every other matchup pretty much went the way it should've. No other real huge surprises this week (unlike last week).
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From what I can tell there was a rules change this season that simply means whatever it looks like at first glance is how it should be called. The only thing I can say about that call was that flags came in from all directions, so 3 different refs had an opportunity to pass that off onto the receiver and didn't. In a general sense I keep seeing tons of calls where there's contact that's called despite having no affect whatsoever on the other player. Hell, you can't even put your arm on a back to maintain position anymore without a flag coming out.
I have no idea what it is by the rulebooks... That jersey tug is clear defensive pass interference that usually makes an easy call for refs. Easy call if that's all there is, or maybe it's an easy call no matter what. The problem is that it only seemed to happen as a reaction to what seems should have been offensive pass interference. That defender looked to have an int or defended pass until Beckham hooked him out of the play.
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I'm 13-0 so far this week in a pick 'em pool. Have the Bills and Saints tonight; I've never had a perfect week in 20+ years and it would be nice to have one.
Good luck. Ballsy to take Oakland, but every other matchup pretty much went the way it should've. No other real huge surprises this week (unlike last week).
Yeah, Oakland was the oddball. I wouldn't say the rest of them went as they should, but there wasn't much room for any real surprises. Tonight's games are problematic, though. I've got zero confidence in either picks.
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If I'm Rex Ryan, and assuming I didn't kiss the gun 6 weeks ago, Dog Killer watches the second half from the team bus. I mean, can Matt Simms really do any worse?
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Christ, at this point maybe they should just drown him. Put the boy out of his misery.
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WOW.... How do you look at that on review and say he caught that pass?? The Ravens were just completely screwed...
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WOW.... How do you look at that on review and say he caught that pass?? The Ravens were just completely screwed...
Two bogus, drive extending penalties and now that....... Referees have been terrible tonight.
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The Ravens win... improve to 7-4... good for last place.
The Saints lose..... fall to 4-7... good for first place.
Got to love that thread title hijack karma.
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Karma? I called the loss right after the pick 6 iirc.
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Karma? I called the loss right after the pick 6 iirc.
Good for you.
Now make the thread title about New England, Odell, Buffalo or something else relevant.
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I know I'm late to the party, but WHAT A CATCH! How is that even possible? One of those where people can just say "That Catch" and you know what they're talking about.
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Karma? I called the loss right after the pick 6 iirc.
Good for you.
Now make the thread title about New England, Odell, Buffalo or something else relevant.
So, after a win, you're this needlessly concerned over the subtitle of a thread? Good for you.
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Karma? I called the loss right after the pick 6 iirc.
Good for you.
Now make the thread title about New England, Odell, Buffalo or something else relevant.
So, after a win, you're this needlessly concerned over the subtitle of a thread? Good for you.
well, how 'bout the rest of us then, that have to see something about the Saints everytime we head into this thread. It'd be like Nick Making the NHL thread titles all about the Flyers.
Spread the wealth dude. There are 31 other teams.
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If I can make the 2013 thread about the Red Sox winning the WS, you should be able to do anything you put your mind to.
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I know I'm late to the party, but WHAT A CATCH! How is that even possible? One of those where people can just say "That Catch" and you know what they're talking about.
Nah, I'll still think of the pass from Montana to Clark. Not some rookie punk with stickem on his gloves. :lol
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Karma? I called the loss right after the pick 6 iirc.
Good for you.
Now make the thread title about New England, Odell, Buffalo or something else relevant.
If I can make the 2013 thread about the Red Sox winning the WS, you should be able to do anything you put your mind to.
So, after a win, you're this needlessly concerned over the subtitle of a thread? Good for you.
well, how 'bout the rest of us then, that have to see something about the Saints everytime we head into this thread. It'd be like Nick Making the NHL thread titles all about the Flyers.
Spread the wealth dude. There are 31 other teams.
:tup
If I can make the 2013 thread about the Red Sox winning the WS, you should be able to do anything you put your mind to.
:tup
These guys get it. Why don't you?
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It's a fucking thread title, who gives a shit what it is?
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It's a fucking thread title, who gives a shit what it is?
Apparently Josh.
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He's not the one making a big stink about it.
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I think he kinda is making a thing of it by a) responding back with a pretty sarcastic remark to DoC, and b) having the title be consistently about the Saints. What's the harm in a couple of us giving him feedback that the NFL thread isn't always about his team.
*awaits thread title to be something witty and sarcastic about me/DoC*
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I got a good idea for a thread title. "v. dog killer 7/19, 79yds, INT" :lol :rollin
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It's petty. If this were a Saints' forum, that would be one thing. But we have a diverse group of fans here. It should either be "NFL thread 2014" without an updated thread title, or it should be something more relevant to the league.
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This Eric Berry news is the worst. Hoping that he makes a full recovery.
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It's petty. If this were a Saints' forum, that would be one thing. But we have a diverse group of fans here. It should either be "NFL thread 2014" without an updated thread title, or it should be something more relevant to the league.
This. The entire NFC South is a fucking joke right now, so the Saints aren't even in the same room as relevant right now.. People riot when Bosk does his homer thing for the 49ers, but the thread name is safe?
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I actually like it. I've always looked at the v's in the titles of the thread to usually be some attempt at humor. There's nothing in the league funnier than the NFC South right now. :biggrin:
I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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I actually like it. I've always looked at the v's in the titles of the thread to usually be some attempt at humor. There's nothing in the league funnier than the NFC South right now. :biggrin:
I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Good point. :lol
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Richard Sherman for the win!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLbv4_TpsL8
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:lol
v. NFC South lays the pipe on conference seeding. :yeahright
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Richard Sherman for the win!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLbv4_TpsL8
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I actually like it. I've always looked at the v's in the titles of the thread to usually be some attempt at humor. There's nothing in the league funnier than the NFC South right now. :biggrin:
I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Good point. :lol
Tru dat
:lol
v. NFC South lays the pipe on conference seeding. :yeahright
+1
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c'mon guys, lighten up :)
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Bills slammed it yesterday
Thanks Detroit for hosting, y'all rock :tup
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Bills slammed it yesterday
Thanks Detroit for hosting, y'all rock :tup
Easy there champ. It was the Jets. There's a reason that this has a dual emot code :jets:
c'mon guys, lighten up :)
What has this thread come to when James is the voice of reason :panicattack:
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You know as a Bills fan I have to celebrate every victory :lol
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ive matured
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Post-Week 12 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. New England - something tells me that Patriots fans are praying like hell that the Ravens don't make the playoffs.
2. Arizona - 9-2 is still 9-2, but you just have the feeling last week was the start of a slide.
3. Green Bay - should be interesting to see how they do against a red hot NE team.
4. Denver - the improved-defense suddenly looks like a concern.
5. Philadelphia - how will Sanchez do at Dallas on Thanksgiving?
6. Dallas - Sunday night's game was one that Cowboys of years past would have found a way to lose.
7. Indianapolis - the loss of Bradshaw showed, and their o-line is still a mess.
8. Seattle - still the team no one in the NFC wants to see in the playoffs.
9. Cincinnati - Ill give them their props, but I still don't trust them.
10. Baltimore - call me crazy, but I think they are the most dangerous team in the AFC North.
Trending up: SF, SD and Chicago
Trending down: NFC South
Bottom 3: Oakland, NY Jets and Tennessee
Also:
MVP update time! This is what my top 5 would be right now for MVP of the NFL:
1. Aaron Rodgers - It's not even close.
2. Andrew Luck - his numbers with no line and that running attack are astonishing.
3. Peyton Manning - take him away and the Broncos would be lucky to win six games the whole season.
4. Tony Romo - yeah, yeah, his line is great and DeMarco Murray has been a beast, but the Cowboys are 8-1 in games Romo plays all of this year, and 0-2 in the other two.
5. Rob Gronkowski - it's no coincidence that the re-emergence of the NE offense coincides with Gronk getting fully healthy. During their 7-game winning streak, he's got 45-661-6, which over a 16-game season would prorate to 103-1,511-14. By a TE. :eek :eek
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No Kev. Us Pats fans worry about the Giants. We're in good shape this year. :lol
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I'd switch Dallas and Philly, I think Sanchez at the helm is going to cost them games sooner rather than later while Dallas is trending back up with Romo healthy and playing quite well. I'm also not completely sold on Arizona, they have an interesting game stretch now to prove that they're as good as their record.
This weekend is going to be pretty important for Green Bay, we haven't beat a top team in a long time. Even though on paper this is the least important remaining game (we need to worry about the conference record for tiebreakers), I think it's time to step up and get a great mood rolling for the rest of the season.
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Green Bay just trounced Philadelphia two weeks ago. You don't think the team you'd rank sixth in a power ranking is a top team? ...or two weeks is too long ago?
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2. Arizona - 9-2 is still 9-2, but you just have the feeling last week was the start of a slide.
It is amazing to me how well they have played with a backup QB in place, both toward the beginning of the year and now. They really are a much better team than I or a lot of people were giving them credit for earlier in the year. And...I honestly don't think last week takes away from that one bit. One thing you unfortunately just have to take into account is how difficult it is to play in Seattle, especially if you are a division rival. And to do that with a backup QB who doesn't have the experience of how to deal with that dynamic...I honestly was not expecting them to win that game, or even to perform well. So, yeah, it could be the start of a slide, or it could ultimately just be a speed bump that they are now past. I tend to think it is the latter.
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Some good games on tomorrow. Enjoy, guys. I will actually be spending my Thanksgiving at the '9ers game. My mom wanted to have a tailgate Thanksgiving, so we will be arriving at the stadium late morning, laying out our Thanksgiving feast, and then feasting on the game at 5:30. Should be fun (and different).
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Some good games on tomorrow. Enjoy, guys. I will actually be spending my Thanksgiving at the '9ers game. My mom wanted to have a tailgate Thanksgiving, so we will be arriving at the stadium late morning, laying out our Thanksgiving feast, and then feasting on the game at 5:30. Should be fun (and different).
That's awesome! Have a great time!
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Some good games on tomorrow. Enjoy, guys. I will actually be spending my Thanksgiving at the '9ers game. My mom wanted to have a tailgate Thanksgiving, so we will be arriving at the stadium late morning, laying out our Thanksgiving feast, and then feasting on the game at 5:30. Should be fun (and different).
Wow, that's awesome, enjoy!
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Yeah, I am looking forward to it. I haven't even been to a game since I was a kid (went to the '9ers vs. Cleveland game during the season they made their first Super Bowl run; in fact, it was one of only 3 games they lost that season). Should be a treat for all of us.
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Very cool sir! Enjoy your family and football!
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Green Bay just trounced Philadelphia two weeks ago. You don't think the team you'd rank sixth in a power ranking is a top team? ...or two weeks is too long ago?
Right after I posted that I thought about it and I definitely didn't like that I might come as a bit of an spoiled fan, one of those that love to be pessimistic about their team (I'm not, I love watching the Packers, win or lose).
The win vs Philly was definitely a good win but I'm eager to get a win vs a true contender and Philly, in my humble opinion, are not. Maybe I'm just salty after getting beat by SF a couple of times in a row plus the Seattle debacle. Hopefully we beat the Pats this weekend and I can put all this nonsense to rest.
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I know what you mean, and it is odd how the Eagles don't quite feel like a marquee win despite how high people are ranking them, currently.
The way I see it, we beat the Patriots and we're full speed ahead gunning for home field. Lose to the Patriots and we're just fighting for a playoff spot. If Detroit is only one game behind us going in to week 17, the winner of that game wins the division. If we lose to the Patriots, we would need the Lions to lose twice in four weeks (to teams with losing records) to get two games ahead of them. ...and that's assuming we won the next three weeks. Assuming we're 11-5, that should be good for a wild card given how much the other wild card candidates are playing each other over the end of the season. You never know, though. if Arizona is the one losing 11-5 might only be good enough for a wild card tie.
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The way I see it, we beat the Patriots and we're full speed ahead gunning for home field. Lose to the Patriots and we're just fighting for a playoff spot. If Detroit is only one game behind us going in to week 17, the winner of that game wins the division. If we lose to the Patriots, we would need the Lions to lose twice in four weeks (to teams with losing records) to get two games ahead of them. ...and that's assuming we won the next three weeks. Assuming we're 11-5, that should be good for a wild card given how much the other wild card candidates are playing each other over the end of the season. You never know, though. if Arizona is the one losing 11-5 might only be good enough for a wild card tie.
Interesting take. I hadn't really thought about that, but you are absolutely right. And both teams have pretty easy schedules to finish out leading up to the final faceoff. But even if they lose this week, GB just feels like a better, more solid team than Detroit. If Detroit had beaten the Cardinals, I would be singing a different tune. But as it is, I would still put my money on the Packers.
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The way I see it, we beat the Patriots and we're full speed ahead gunning for home field. Lose to the Patriots and we're just fighting for a playoff spot. If Detroit is only one game behind us going in to week 17, the winner of that game wins the division. If we lose to the Patriots, we would need the Lions to lose twice in four weeks (to teams with losing records) to get two games ahead of them. ...and that's assuming we won the next three weeks. Assuming we're 11-5, that should be good for a wild card given how much the other wild card candidates are playing each other over the end of the season. You never know, though. if Arizona is the one losing 11-5 might only be good enough for a wild card tie.
Interesting take. I hadn't really thought about that, but you are absolutely right. And both teams have pretty easy schedules to finish out leading up to the final faceoff. But even if they lose this week, GB just feels like a better, more solid team than Detroit. If Detroit had beaten the Cardinals, I would be singing a different tune. But as it is, I would still put my money on the Packers.
Mother of god... we agree on something! :jets: Sounds like an awesome Thanksgiving btw! :2metal:
Kev, I usually agree with your rankings pretty much spot on. My only difference this week would be giving the edge to Dallas over Philli. Their big three offensive weapons - Romo, Murray and Bryant - are better than the Eagles'. And c'mon... it's Mark fucking Sanchez for the next couple of games. Plus, Foles has not had nearly the kind of season he had last year.
We'll all know by the end of the day tomorrow.
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The Dallas/Philly game could go either way. Especially since home field advantage is practically non-existent in Dallas. Which brings up an interesting stat about the Cowboys this year. All 3 of their losses are at home and they're undefeated on the road. Go figure.
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This is an awesome analysis of how mind-numbingly awful RGIII was in the TB game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/
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Yeah, I am looking forward to it. I haven't even been to a game since I was a kid (went to the '9ers vs. Cleveland game during the season they made their first Super Bowl run; in fact, it was one of only 3 games they lost that season). Should be a treat for all of us.
Aww Bosk.... don't go to the game tomorrow. Please.
I don't want to ruin your Thanksgiving... :xbones
(seriously though, have fun...and try not to let the loss bum out the rest of your day. ;) )
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How the flying fuck does the ref not call that blatant pass interference just now?!
I guess we're in for one of those days.
EDIT: These refs are missing a whole lot from both sides.
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Another first half of horrible Dallas defense. :facepalm:
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Another first half of horrible Dallas defense. :facepalm:
I wouldn't single the defense out
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:xbones
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That was an enjoyable after thanksgiving treat. :metal
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Another first half of horrible Dallas defense. :facepalm:
I wouldn't single the defense out
I'll single out both defenses. Philly's defense played. Dallas' didn't. That was pretty much the difference in the game other than the Dallas TO. Horrible game unless you're an Eagles fan. :\
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Wow, Brady vs. Rodgers will be the first time they've gone against each other.
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Totally serious at the moment. I honestly feel bad for Bosk. He's not even getting to see a good game. The Niners are just folding.
However there is still another half of football. Hoping the Hawks hold on...because I've rarely seen a game with absolutely NO momentum shifts....even in a lopsided game, the losing team inevitably shows sign of life at SOME point.
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Wow, Brady vs. Rodgers will be the first time they've gone against each other.
Not really. It's just the quirky combo of the NFC North/AFC East not playing each other until the third year of Rodgers' career so the Pats are the second-latest they could be in the four-year cycle of the Packers' interconference opponents plus Rodgers was injured for what would've been their first meeting in 2010.
It does sound unusual at first though.
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Totally serious at the moment. I honestly feel bad for Bosk. He's not even getting to see a good game. The Niners are just folding.
However there is still another half of football. Hoping the Hawks hold on...because I've rarely seen a game with absolutely NO momentum shifts....even in a lopsided game, the losing team inevitably shows sign of life at SOME point.
Actually, I feel bad for a lot of football fans today. All three games have been lopsided for the most part.
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For how bad the Niners have played, the huge exclamation point had to be a punt where the snap is fumbled, you give him the time to pick it up, move around, kick it... and then fucking fumble the return.
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:rollin
That was good to see after the Cowboys shit the bed this afternoon.
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Tonight was about what I expected. My cousin and I were talking about it over Thanksgiving dinner at our big family get-together. He said he liked Seattle +1, and I was like, that's easy money, since SF isn't that good, given that they just barely beat the Giants and Redskins. I know they hadn't won at SF yet in the Harbaugh era, but, by and large, the Seahawks own the 49ers, and we saw that again tonight.
I was much more shocked by how poorly Dallas played today. I wasn't surprised Philly won, but 33-10?
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I think it helped the Eagles momentum when the refs didn't call that extremely obvious pass interference that the Eagles got away with on Dez Bryant in the first quarter.
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I think it helped the Eagles momentum when the refs didn't call that extremely obvious pass interference that the Eagles got away with on Dez Bryant in the first quarter.
How bout the ridiculous hold on Trent Cole that wasn't called? Sorry, but bad calls happen to both teams every game. Not much of an excuse.
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I think it helped the Eagles momentum when the refs didn't call that extremely obvious pass interference that the Eagles got away with on Dez Bryant in the first quarter.
How bout the ridiculous hold on Trent Cole that wasn't called? Sorry, but bad calls happen to both teams every game. Not much of an excuse.
Okay, all I'm saying is that the Eagles got some good momentum from it, and that the refs missed an obvious call. Cowboys still played like shit the rest of the game.
It's not an excuse, it's just one reason. There's a difference between the two you know.
No excuse for the Sharks to lose 4 straight in the playoffs with a 3 game lead last year, but that doesn't change the fact that the refs gave the Kings some serious momentum with some shit-tastic goal calls.
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I think it helped the Eagles momentum when the refs didn't call that extremely obvious pass interference that the Eagles got away with on Dez Bryant in the first quarter.
How bout the ridiculous hold on Trent Cole that wasn't called? Sorry, but bad calls happen to both teams every game. Not much of an excuse.
Okay, all I'm saying is that the Eagles got some good momentum from it, and that the refs missed an obvious call. Cowboys still played like shit the rest of the game.
It's not an excuse, it's just one reason. There's a difference between the two you know.
No excuse for the Sharks to lose 4 straight in the playoffs with a 3 game lead last year, but that doesn't change the fact that the refs gave the Kings some serious momentum with some shit-tastic goal calls.
I agree it was definitely a bad call, and I can understand being frustrated by it (I was pissed at some calls in the GB game even though they would've made no difference in the outcome), but bad calls happen in every game on both sides.
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I think it helped the Eagles momentum when the refs didn't call that extremely obvious pass interference that the Eagles got away with on Dez Bryant in the first quarter.
How bout the ridiculous hold on Trent Cole that wasn't called? Sorry, but bad calls happen to both teams every game. Not much of an excuse.
Okay, all I'm saying is that the Eagles got some good momentum from it, and that the refs missed an obvious call. Cowboys still played like shit the rest of the game.
It's not an excuse, it's just one reason. There's a difference between the two you know.
No excuse for the Sharks to lose 4 straight in the playoffs with a 3 game lead last year, but that doesn't change the fact that the refs gave the Kings some serious momentum with some shit-tastic goal calls.
I agree it was definitely a bad call, and I can understand being frustrated by it (I was pissed at some calls in the GB game even though they would've made no difference in the outcome), but bad calls happen in every game on both sides.
Well yeah, but that's no reason to dismiss one changing the momentum.
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It's just so hypothetical though. What if they make the call and then end up punting anyway three plays later? Or maybe they turn the ball over and lose momentum.
Basically what I'm saying is I don't think you can really single out that one play as a turning point for the whole game. In fact I think Dallas' biggest shot at getting momentum was the turnover by McCoy in the red zone.
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It's just so hypothetical though. What if they make the call and then end up punting anyway three plays later? Or maybe they turn the ball over and lose momentum.
Basically what I'm saying is I don't think you can really single out that one play as a turning point for the whole game. In fact I think Dallas' biggest shot at getting momentum was the turnover by McCoy in the red zone.
It definitely was a momentum changer for the Eagles, just like that turnover by McCoy was, Dallas just never utilized it, Eagles did.
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Haha, almost every Niners fan I know, talked to said they should get rid of kaepernack, or bench him. Which I find hilarious
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He made RGIII level decisions last night. Missed open players, threw into tight coverage, and looked rather ordinary while running. He's regressed almost as much as RGIII... he just has the good fortune of having a far superior supporting cast to mask the flaws he's displayed this year. Gonna be virtually impossible for them to make the playoffs now... 2 (maybe 3) games back of AZ, one behind Seattle with a game in Seattle to come, and a game back of Dallas and Detroit - both who have 2 pretty cushy games left, where as the 9rs only have one lay-down (at least, Oakland should be a lay-down).
Disappoints me, because I really thought he was the mold for the QB of the future, and thought he would take a another step forward this year. Sadly, he's gone the other way.
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Haha, almost every Niners fan I know, talked to said they should get rid of kaepernack, or bench him. Which I find hilarious
Honestly, I don't think he's a bad QB...but right now, I honestly believe The Seahawks are "in his head".
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Perhaps, but I think we have to question how great of a coach Jim Harbaugh really is. Okay, his W/L record as a head coach is great and he's been to the NFCCG every season he's been a head coach and the Super Bowl once, but that is largely because he is inherited a defense loaded with talent that was underachieving big time before he got there. His offensive philosophy seems to be way too conservative. The RBs never get used in the passing game. The TE, even when Vernon Davis is healthy, gets ignored way too often. It's a fairly predictable offense. I am not saying Harbaugh is not a good coach. He is. But I am just not sure he is as great as many of us thought he was.
As for the Seahawks, fans of 31 teams are groaning right now, cause if their defense starts playing lights out again, good night, it's over, just give them another ring now. No one will beat them. Not the Broncos. Not the Packers. Not the Patriots.
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:rollin
That was good to see after the Cowboys shit the bed this afternoon.
Yeah, it was a slight consolation.
I was much more shocked by how poorly Dallas played today. I wasn't surprised Philly won, but 33-10?
I wasn't really shocked because I knew Romo and the defense would not be up to par due to the short week. The 2 INT's and fumble didn't help any either. Otherwise, it might have been a closer game. After next Thursday Night at the Bears, they'll have 10 days to get ready for Philly again.
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@ Kev re: Seattle. I dunno, they still look beatable to me. Their offence is clicking at the moment, but it's a spread-the-wealth scheme. Other than Lynch, Wilson doesn't have a true weapon to go to. Their offense looks stopable, and I agree with your comment on their D. If they can keep getting better every week like they have been, wow.
Mind you, AZ and SF have not proven to be nearly as offensively potent as Den/NE/GB have been. Even Dallas and Philly are bigger threats than SF. Next week on the road will be a better litmus test, imo.
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Right, the GB/NE and Sea at Philly games will have a large say in home field. If GB loses another game, Seattle wins at Philly, Arizona loses another game along the way, and Seattle wins out, the Seahawks get home field and then good luck. :lol :lol
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Right, the GB/NE and Sea at Philly games will have a large say in home field. If GB loses another game, Seattle wins at Philly, Arizona loses another game along the way, and Seattle wins out, the Seahawks get home field and then good luck. :lol :lol
Oh god. That is not a pleasant thought.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11949855/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-wins-appeal-eligible-reinstatement
Ray Rice has won his appeal of an indefinite suspension and has been reinstated to the NFL. Rice is now eligible to sign with any NFL team.
I have no problem with this. I think Goodell over stepped his bounds with this indefinite suspension in the first place. The Ravens had every right to release him, and time will fade everyone's memories. I doubt anyone picks him up this year, but for 2016, for sure.
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Right, the GB/NE and Sea at Philly games will have a large say in home field. If GB loses another game, Seattle wins at Philly, Arizona loses another game along the way, and Seattle wins out, the Seahawks get home field and then good luck. :lol :lol
Well, if Seattle does "win out" that would include Arizona "losing one along the way"....
The Philly game is going to be pretty decisive, and shouldn't be overlooked. Philly has a pretty good offence and if we can shut them down on their turf, that would only leave us with Arizona on the road, and the Niners and Rams at home. Right now, it's just two games...but I'm not ready to announce us as seriously "the hot team" unless we beat Philly. If we beat Philly, I think we will win out.
I can't put my finger on why I think the Philly game is more important than Arizona game...maybe it's just a momentum issue.
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And now we've come full circle. From people handing Seattle the trophy after beating Green Bay on opening night, to people handing Seattle the trophy after trouncing San Francisco.
WAY too much football and WAY too many variables to go. This is (almost) anybody's game.
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Hey now....let's put away the "jump to conclusions mat"... ;) :angel: I'm the resident Seahawks geek and I'm putting A LOT of qualifiers in my statements. There's way too many ifs to overcome just yet.
Right now, I'm no longer worried about us not making the playoffs. I'm feeling fairly confident right now that we'll at least lock up a wild card. But beyond that is a lot of hope mixed with realistic skepticism.
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DOC, ss for handing Seattle the trophy, come on now. I have said since Week 1 that I think their best is better than anyone else's best, and if their D gets back to playing lights out nearly every week again, they will be extremely difficult to beat. That is what I said earlier; I didn't hand them the trophy. Now, granted, we have only seen "their best" a few times this year, so assuming they will magically turn it on now is unrealistic, but when that defense of theirs gets cranked up, they are a sight to behold.
Right, the GB/NE and Sea at Philly games will have a large say in home field. If GB loses another game, Seattle wins at Philly, Arizona loses another game along the way, and Seattle wins out, the Seahawks get home field and then good luck. :lol :lol
Well, if Seattle does "win out" that would include Arizona "losing one along the way"....
To clarify, I said Arizona loses another game along the way, which would mean another not including Arizona losing at home to Seattle, which would then give Seattle the division at 12-4 if they win out since Arizona would have at least four losses and Seattle would have the tiebreaker. I should have been more clear there.
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still a top 5 team*
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still a top 5 team*
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still the top Superbowl contender*
FTFY
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Now Jerry Rice is whining....
https://www.ninersnation.com/2014/11/28/7304211/jerry-rice-richard-sherman-russell-wilson-turkey-50-yard-line-49ers-seahawks
The short version....NBC had pre-planned to give turkey to the "stars of the game" during the immediate post-game show. Apparently, NBC at the last second decided to do this at mid-field. I don't know what Jerry expected Wilson and Sherman to do. If he's pissed at anyone (and I think it's a really ridiculous thing to be pissed about in the first place) it should be NBC....not Wilson and Sherman.
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still a top 5 team*
After all, they were "only a play away". (on each drive! ;D)
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still a top 5 team*
After all, they were "only a play away". (on each drive! ;D)
If Seattle hadn't tackled so well, and if Kaep didn't throw it right in Sherman's numbers, and if Seattle's O-line hadn't given Wilson some terrific protection most of the night, and if Gore had broken a few more tackles, and if Lynch would get suspended for not talking to the media ... this game was all San Francisco's.
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I think it's safe to say, up until last night, only Niners fans really thought the Niners were as good as they had been the last two years. Now, even they must know the truth.
*awaits Bosk's justification why they're still a top 5 team*
After all, they were "only a play away". (on each drive! ;D)
If Seattle hadn't tackled so well, and if Kaep didn't throw it right in Sherman's numbers, and if Seattle's O-line hadn't given Wilson some terrific protection most of the night, and if Gore had broken a few more tackles, and if Lynch would get suspended for not talking to the media ... this game was all San Francisco's.
Easily! :lol
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Who's ready to see that matchup between the top 2 QBs taken in the 2012 draft?
Oh.... one of them's sitting on the bench?
Bust alert.
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The AFC North is the first division in NFL history to have all teams at least 3 games above .500.
They are historically good, and they have the historically bad NFC South to thank.
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Yeah, we'll see how Cousins does today. Oh wait, he sucks, too. :lol :lol
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Amazing.... Griffin & Cousins are both backups. I remember when it was blasphemous to suggest that they were equals.... and now he we are.
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It can be said in two simple words: the Raiders.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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As a Packers fan, I'm bracing myself for impact/tragedy/buttrapeage.
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Getting ready for Justin Tucker to hit a 78-yarder for the win. :lol :lol
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That was a tough PI call but it makes up for the one against SD earlier.
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I thought it was an obvious call. Dan Fouts was on drugs. The defender was draped all over him for nearly five yards prior till the ball getting there.
They should have tried the 80-plus-yarder with Tucker. :lol
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Let 'em play!
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I thought it was an obvious call. Dan Fouts was on drugs. The defender was draped all over him for nearly five yards prior till the ball getting there.
They should have tried the 80-plus-yarder with Tucker. :lol
Agreed. When you have 2 hand around on the receivers back, you're holding him. Easy call.
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Yeah, I had no problem with the call. With the Ravens and their secondary, if we give a good QB time, he will pick'em apart. Rivers is >good, so the end result didn't surprise me.
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Well the Pats offensive can't get on the field but at least they held GB to 2 FG's.
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Atlanta 20 - Arizona - 10
The NFC West just got hella interesting....
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The Pats are going to need to make a stop at some point in this game.
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The Pats are going to need to make a stop at some point in this game.
Yup. The D is on the field too much and the offense did not help that early on.
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That had to be a crushing drive for the Patriots at the end there. Aaron Rodgers is just so damn good.
And maybe that Jordy Nelson score will pump the breaks a bit on the announcers' fellating of Revis. Don't get me wrong, the guy IS an awesome corner, but you'd swear he had just cured cancer given the way they talk about him.
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The Pats really need to sign him though Kev. He allows the defense to do so much more. Today they are just facing a QB and team that is "That" good.
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The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu
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The Pats really need to sign him though Kev. He allows the defense to do so much more.
Agreed. To clarify, I think Revis is still the best corner in the game.
The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu
For sure. If they win this game, they have a great chance at home field since their last four games are all very winnable. Barring a miraculous Arizona comeback today and them winning out to finish 14-1, if the Packers win this game and win out, they get home field. But, a lot can happen...
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That had to be a crushing drive for the Patriots at the end there. Aaron Rodgers is just so damn good.
And maybe that Jordy Nelson score will pump the breaks a bit on the announcers' fellating of Revis. Don't get me wrong, the guy IS an awesome corner, but you'd swear he had just cured cancer given the way they talk about him.
Revis deserves all of the praise that he can get, being a shutdown corner in this age of offense. Commentators will commentate about what's in front of them. That's just the way it is.
The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu
I'm thinking that I'd rather go to Green Bay than Seattle.... but they both will be tough outs for sure.
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Mah boys in Buffalo :hat
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That had to be a crushing drive for the Patriots at the end there. Aaron Rodgers is just so damn good.
And maybe that Jordy Nelson score will pump the breaks a bit on the announcers' fellating of Revis. Don't get me wrong, the guy IS an awesome corner, but you'd swear he had just cured cancer given the way they talk about him.
Revis deserves all of the praise that he can get, being a shutdown corner in this age of offense. Commentators will commentate about what's in front of them. That's just the way it is.
Case in point... Julio Jones is having a career game, and he's doing it squarely against Patrick Peterson. So Revis holding his own against Nelson is praiseworthy.
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Lacy is a beast.
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The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers Seahawks don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu The Clink.
FTFY ;D
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The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers Seahawks don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu The Clink.
FTFY ;D
I know you're just playing, but Seattle just pummeled the 49ers on the road; the Packers have yet to look great on the road this year. GB needs home field way more than Seattle does.
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The rest of the NFC is praying to god the Packers Seahawks don't get home field. They look like a completely different team at Lambaeu The Clink.
FTFY ;D
I know you're just playing, but Seattle just pummeled the 49ers on the road; the Packers have yet to look great on the road this year. GB needs home field way more than Seattle does.
Damn right, I don't want to play at SEA, SF or even NO under any circumstance.
By the way I'm eating crow with a huge smile in my face right now. Quality win, we made some mistakes (that Adams drop could have been huge) and the defense is still Jekyll and Hyde, but I'll take the win and never look back.
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Well great game. Lost a profile pic bet with splent. Facebook will see me as a GB fan for a week.
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Has Bosk just decided to give up on football for the remainder of the season? Come on, bro. I know what heartache feels like (I've been a Seahawks fan since 1977...I *know* what heartache feels like)....but that doesn't mean you can't still have some fun!
....just go sit over there with the Cleveland Brown fans. ;D
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Great win by the Packers!!! GO PACK GO!!
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The Chief's offensive line is just falling apart. Alex Smith cannot get a break, and while he doesn't put up big numbers, he's one of the most accurate and mobile QBs in the game. Lots of dropped passes too from his receivers.
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How bout those Panthers?
Yeah.
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Has Bosk just decided to give up on football for the remainder of the season? Come on, bro. I know what heartache feels like (I've been a Seahawks fan since 1977...I *know* what heartache feels like)....but that doesn't mean you can't still have some fun!
....just go sit over there with the Cleveland Brown fans. ;D
Thanksgiving weekend was busy, what with the travel and all, and then lots going on at home once we got back.
Totally serious at the moment. I honestly feel bad for Bosk. He's not even getting to see a good game. The Niners are just folding.
However there is still another half of football. Hoping the Hawks hold on...because I've rarely seen a game with absolutely NO momentum shifts....even in a lopsided game, the losing team inevitably shows sign of life at SOME point.
Yeah, so here's my breakdown of the day: First time at the new stadium. I knew the general area, but had not been down to that neck of the woods once they started building the new stadium. So while I knew that it was in the general area of Great America (an amusement part that was built in the mid-'70s; this is an important detail), I did not know how things were laid out. Turns out that the stadium not only is in the general area of Great America, but actually shares the main parking lot with Great America. Here is why that is important: When you enter the main lot, the stadium is to the left at the farthest point possible from where you are. The amusement park main entrance is directly on your right, with a smaller disabled-access parking lot right in front of it. Here's the thing--the disabled lot is for the amusement park. For most games, unless there is overflow needed, they do not enforce it as disabled parking. But most fans do not know this, so they do not park there. So what this meant is that there were only 3 groups of 5-6 cars each using that lot as tailgate space, which meant we had plenty of room to spread out and enjoy ourselves instead of being packed together like sardines as the tailgaters in the main lot were.
Anyhow, we got there around noon and spent the whole day just playing around, watching the early games on my brother-in-law's huge flat panel TV he had mounted on the side of his construction truck, eating, and just having a good time. The weather was fantastic. The environment was great, and it was just an all-around good time. Closer to game time when we were getting ready to break things down and put the food away, we also invited some other fans over who were lost and couldn't find their friends they were looking for. They had given up and were going to just pay for some overpriced dogs and beer inside, so they were thrilled to get a full Thanksgiving spread for free.
The stadium itself is pretty nice. Despite the reports of there being issues, I thought it was actually pretty nice. And the atmosphere coming into the park was electric. There was SO much energy, and it being a night game took it up a full notch and then some. Great experience.
The game itself...well, you know. It was awful. And being there, and being able to constantly see the entire field and sideline, I could see a lot that you may not pick up on watching the game on TV. And what I picked up on is that the entire team looked incredibly flat and disinterested. I cannot explain it, and have never before seen anything like it. I just don't know what is going on with this team. Teams hit slumps. Teams have bad games, bad stretches, and even bad seasons. But for so much of the team to look as disinterested and disengaged as this team did, and especially against their main division rival...it just makes no sense to me. Yeah, the defense played mostly very well. Gotta give those guys credit. But the offense, other than Boldin and Gore, just looked bad. I am proud to have those two guys on the team, but the rest...I just don't know. And to single a couple of guys out in particular, I don't know what the issues are with Crabtree and Davis, but they need to either figure themselves out or get traded. Their lackadaisical attitude is actively hurting the team. Another issue is that the offensive line is a mess, but that is an easier problem to diagnose. Whatever is inside the rest of the team's heads is a much bigger issue.
And the team's lack of play was only one factor. Overall, it was just an embarrassment, from the highest level of ownership on down. The tweets by ownership and family members were embarrassing. The players were embarrassing. And even on down to the fans, it was bad. There were plenty of fans there that when it comes right down to it, were just low-class jerks that made sharing the stadium with them an embarrassing experience. And that goes on both sides. A lot (but not all) of the Seattle fans present firmly and vigorously perpetuated the stereotype of the complete douche Seattle fan. But a lot of the 49er fans were worse. Sorry, 49er fans, but I have to call it like it is, and after spending time elbow-to-elbow with a lot of you, I am embarrassed to be part of such a low-class group of people. That definitely is not true of a lot of people. In fact, being objective, I would probably say that the vast majority of people there were great. But it only takes a few loud idiots to ruin things, and there were MORE than a few.
Haha, almost every Niners fan I know, talked to said they should get rid of kaepernack, or bench him. Which I find hilarious
Honestly, I don't think he's a bad QB...but right now, I honestly believe The Seahawks are "in his head".
Yeah, you don't suddenly turn on a guy and want to run him out of town because he is having a bad year. He led them to the Super Bowl and another NFC championship. That at least earns him the benefit of the doubt for another few seasons. Even the greats have had slumps. A BIG part of his issues stem from things that are not necessarily his fault, in my opinion: (1) the offensive line is just a mess, which is something that can make the best QBs look mediocre; (2) issues with his receivers (see above); and (3) his head just being a mess from people trying to make him into a different type of QB than he is. Yeah, #3 is on him. And there are other issues that are on him as well. But, as with a lot of things in life, it isn't as simple as just pointing the finger at one simple issue. He can be a lot better than he has been this year, and I expect him to be. But he is definitely having problems right now. And on a side note, I am getting SO tired of his media persona. That isn't him either, but is something he has developed under Harbaugh, and it is turning him into a very unlikeable character. He needs to just loosen up and be himself.
Anyhow, mixed feelings about the team right now. I am actually angry at them. I mean, as angry as a fan can be at a pro-sports team, which only goes so far since it is only a game, etc., etc. And, hey, not to be ungrateful--they have been fantastic for 3 years running and have the pieces in place to continue that for a long time. I am thankful for the competitiveness and fun they have provided. But they are underachieving, and doing so with poor attitude and poor display toward the fans and the public as a whole. They are not acting like a classy organization at all, and are looking like they just don't care. If THAT doesn't change, it's hard for me to be interested. So as far as this season is concerned, while the fan in me wants to see them turn it around and still make a playoff run, part of me feels like they don't deserve it and wants to see them fail. That's where I am at the moment.
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Actually....that's about where I was when the Seahawks lost two in a row.
In retrospect, I think Carroll made the right decision in axing Percy Harvin. It sounds like he was creating a VERY toxic division in the locker room, and Carroll's entire game plan is all about team chemistry. It took a couple of weeks of fallout to recover from that.
It's weird, because I've been conjecturing now for a few years that the talent pool in the NFL has become so high, that whether you win or lose comes more down to team chemistry than it does to individual talent. You can have a few star guys, but whether you win or not is going to depend on how well your guys are getting along and how much the whole team believes in themselves.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
Just wife beatin.
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A loss (or even a series of losses, or a series of seasons of losses, for that matter) would make me renounce my fan-dom (which, I assume, is really what is at issue rather than the mere act of throwing away team merchandise). But if the team began conducting itself in a way I felt was wrong or against ideals that I personally hold dear, I would see no reason to reward that with blind loyalty. Frankly, I don't really get being a fan to the point of blind loyalty, as some sports fans seem to extol as a virtue.
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A loss (or even a series of losses, or a series of seasons of losses, for that matter) would make me renounce my fan-dom (which, I assume, is really what is at issue rather than the mere act of throwing away team merchandise). But if the team began conducting itself in a way I felt was wrong or against ideals that I personally hold dear, I would see no reason to reward that with blind loyalty. Frankly, I don't really get being a fan to the point of blind loyalty, as some sports fans seem to extol as a virtue.
I agree with this. I would have strongly considered dumping the Ravens if they had done anything wrong in the Ray Rice situation..... but the blame for that situation goes entirely onto Ray Rice and the Commissioner.
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Titans fans are the ones who ought to be jumping ship after watching their team let Ryan freaking Fitzpatrick throw 6 touchdown passes. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Also, nice to see the Broncos get the running game going last night and the defense playing well again. That is how they need to play to have a shot at winning it all, not having Peyton sling it 50 times a game.
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Fitzpatrick is Farve's Stepbrother, Gunslinger at heart.
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Seeing the Raiders on C'MON MAN earlier was like watching the old football follies in HD. :lol :rollin :lol
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Working on a little project here and could use some input . . . I'd like to rank the top 20 or so QBs in the NFL based on how their skills stand as of RIGHT NOW, not what they have accomplished in the past. So 1, 2, 3, or no Super Bowl wins - not a factor. How good are they this year and expect to be going into next year based on age, etc? I'd like to have a consensus somehow so we'll all have to avoid homerism :angel:
The top 15 or so are easily broken up into 3 groups: The "Big Four" + Luck, then the "Four Rs" (Rivers, Ryan, Romo, Roethlisberger) in some order and then a jumble of Flacco/Eli/Stafford/Cutler/Wilson in some order. So I'll take an initial stab and welcome everyone to let me know who they strongly feel should be moved up or down and by the end of the season we'll have the official final version:
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Andrew Luck
3. Drew Brees (based on being a few yrs younger than the next 2)
4. Tom Brady
5. Peyton Manning (not as healthy as Brady and a weaker arm)
6. Philip Rivers (lack of post-season success not a factor on this list)
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Tony Romo (see #6)
9. Matt Ryan
10. Joe Flacco
11. Matthew Stafford
12. Eli Manning
13. Jay Cutler
14. Russell Wilson (needs to impress more as a pocket passer to move up)
15. Carson Palmer (health is a question mark)
16. Colin Kaepernick
17. Ryan Tannehill
18. Nick Foles (assuming Sanchez is only a temporary replacement)
19. Alex Smith
20. Cam Newton
21. Andy Dalton
That's pretty much it for established starters. I think the rest of the field is either rookie/unproven or the QB situation on the team is a jumbled mess and there would be no point in trying to rank them. Geno would be last though.
This board likes lists and we love debating QBs, so I thought it'd be a fun topic.
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My list as of right this second...
1. Andrew Luck
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Matthew Stafford
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Joe Flacco
10. Matt Ryan
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Not sure why anyone would pick anyone over Rodgers right now.
INTS:
Rodgers: 3
Luck: 11
Yards Per Pass Attempt:
Rodgers: 8.75
Luck: 8.17
Completion%:
Rodgers: 66.3%
Luck: 63.7
Yards:
Rodgers: 3,325
Luck: 4,011
Touchdowns:
Rodgers: 32
Luck: 34
Give me Rodgers. Might be fewer yards, but he's the better passer overall.
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He is a beast.
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Not sure why anyone would pick anyone over Rodgers right now.
Probably because it is a close call, and there are a few QB's performing at a high level.
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Not sure why anyone would pick anyone over Rodgers right now.
Probably because it is a close call, and there are a few QB's performing at a high level.
Other than raw yards and two touchdowns, Rodgers is essentially superior to Luck in every way. It just depends what kind of value you put into raw yardage and two more touchdowns. I'm of the opinion to take the QB who turns the ball over less rather than the one who just constantly throws (111 more PA than Rodgers).
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Not sure why anyone would pick anyone over Rodgers right now.
Probably because it is a close call, and there are a few QB's performing at a high level.
Other than raw yards and two touchdowns, Rodgers is essentially superior to Luck in every way. It just depends what kind of value you put into raw yardage and two more touchdowns. I'm of the opinion to take the QB who turns the ball over less rather than the one who just constantly throws (111 more PA than Rodgers).
Well, perhaps if Rodgers was stuck in Indy with what Luck's stuck with... he would have to chuck the ball all game long.
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Yeah, well you're more or less proving my point. Luck has 111 more PA than Rodgers. I know it forces his hand, but imagine if Rodgers had to throw the ball that many times.
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Not at all. If every defensive coordinator in the league knows that you have absolutely no running game..... your efficiency goes down with additional attempts, not up.
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Not at all. If every defensive coordinator in the league knows that you have absolutely no running game..... your efficiency goes down with additional attempts, not up.
So why hasn't Luck's gone down, but by your logic Rodgers' would?
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Luck's has.
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I'm looking at Luck's stats, and I'm having a hard time finding out just what you're talking about.
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Add Luck indoors for minimum 8 games and Rodgers outside in one of the coldest stadiums for minimum 8 games.
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Add Luck indoors for minimum 8 games and Rodgers outside in one of the coldest stadiums for minimum 8 games.
I don't typically buy into those sorts of deals - but they do seem to have an effect on games. Especially looking back to the 2010 NFC Championship game between the Burrs and Packers. Just an ugly fucking game :lol
I ain't saying Luck is bad at all. But better than Rodgers? I can see where the argument CAN be made, but Rodgers is fucking insane. Plus he didn't play like a full game because he sat out of half of like 2.
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I'm looking at Luck's stats, and I'm having a hard time finding out just what you're talking about.
I'm talking about when you play Indy, there's no running game to worry about/prepare for. So you can focus on stopping Luck/the pass. Rodgers is on a much-much-much better overall team. I don't think people appreciate how bad the Colts are from players 2-53 behind Luck.
Add Luck indoors for minimum 8 games and Rodgers outside in one of the coldest stadiums for minimum 8 games.
I wouldn't call Green Bay's stadium cold weather for all 8 home games, but yes, that does make a difference, especially late in the season/playoffs.
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I've been to some cold ugly games myself! :lol
Not saying it kills stats but it does have an affect on their stats a tad.
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Not at all. If every defensive coordinator in the league knows that you have absolutely no running game..... your efficiency goes down with additional attempts, not up.
Indy has more rushing yards this year than GB.
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I'm talking about when you play Indy, there's no running game to worry about/prepare for. So you can focus on stopping Luck/the pass. Rodgers is on a much-much-much better overall team. I don't think people appreciate how bad the Colts are from players 2-53 behind Luck.
Yeah, Vontae Davis, TY Hilton and Reggie Wayne are all no good.
Also, yes, I think Luck is fantastic, but he's no Aaron Rodgers yet. No one is right now. Rodgers right now is arguably playing the position as well as ANYONE has EVER played it.
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Not at all. If every defensive coordinator in the league knows that you have absolutely no running game..... your efficiency goes down with additional attempts, not up.
Indy has more rushing yards this year than GB.
37 yards.... YA GOT ME! :lol
I'm talking about when you play Indy, there's no running game to worry about/prepare for. So you can focus on stopping Luck/the pass. Rodgers is on a much-much-much better overall team. I don't think people appreciate how bad the Colts are from players 2-53 behind Luck.
Yeah, Vontae Davis, TY Hilton and Reggie Wayne are all no good.
Definitely never said that.
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How many games has Rodgers been pulled out of because he has absolutely fucking STOMPED the other team this year? (believe it or not, im having a hard time finding that)
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DoC, can you PLEASE report to the "describe a movie in 6 words" thread and post something?
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DoC, can you PLEASE report to the "describe a movie in 6 words" thread and post something?
My bad, bossman.
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DoC, can you PLEASE report to the "describe a movie in 6 words" thread and post something?
Cross thread pollination is dangerous Marty!
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I hate to say it, but I do not see any hope for the 49ers making the post season at this point. Granted, they are only a game back in the wildcard hunt with tiebreakers over the NFC East teams, and only two games out in the division race, and their next game is against the Raiders, but I just don't see it happening. They finish against Oakland, Seattle, San Diego, and Arizona. And the problem isn't that they lost this last week (although they should have won). It is how poorly their offense is playing in general. They struggled to beat the Giants. That didn't really bother me too much. Even though the Giants are not a good team, Eli is always capable of showing up and working miracles every now and then, and the Giants seem to always play the 49ers tough no matter what. It is just one of those givens in life. Then they struggled to beat Washington. That concerned me. But when they needed to go down and score a TD to win it, bam! They do it. So, okay, there are concerns, but there are glimpses of them being able to do what they need to to eake out a win. Then they do nothing at home against a Seattle team that was ripe for the picking. I just don't see them winning enough of their remaining games to make it in the playoffs. Honestly, I would not be surprised if they went 1-3 over this stretch. Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? Unfortunately, no. Man...
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Luck is great, he just needs to cut down on the obligatory turnovers. I think he might have a turnover in almost every game so far. Granted he does more than make it up later, once he cuts out those mistakes the Colts will be set.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
I can top all of that: I STILL have my Raiders shirts! The only one I've worn is the L.A. Raiders shirt because I just got it from ebay and that was a team to be proud of.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
I can top all of that: I STILL have my Raiders shirts! The only one I've worn is the L.A. Raiders shirt because I just got it from ebay and that was a team to be proud of.
Aren't you the guy that dropped the Raiders for the Seahawks? If so.... that's the opposite of topping it.
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The hits keep coming for Raven fans. Haloti Ngata is suspended for 4 games for PED use.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
I can top all of that: I STILL have my Raiders shirts! The only one I've worn is the L.A. Raiders shirt because I just got it from ebay and that was a team to be proud of.
I have Raiders gear, although I need to get some more. All my t-shirts wore out and fell apart, and all I have now are a couple sweatshirts and hats. As terrible as they are, they're my team.
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The Steelers broke me yesterday. After being a fan for 35 years, I threw my Pitt shirt in the garbage with the surety that they no longer deserved my support after such a horrendous performance after a bye. Today I realized that they are only 2 games worse than the Patriots or Packers, the current faves for a SB match-up. Being an NFL fan is brutal because every loss is agonizing but sometimes it helps to put things in perspective after you cool down. :D I know the Rooneys don't operate that way but I sure wish they would replace Tomlin.
LOL. No loss would ever make me throw my Ravens stuff in the garbage.
I can top all of that: I STILL have my Raiders shirts! The only one I've worn is the L.A. Raiders shirt because I just got it from ebay and that was a team to be proud of.
Aren't you the guy that dropped the Raiders for the Seahawks? If so.... that's the opposite of topping it.
I never "dropped" them, I still have hope for the future, just started liking a second team.
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...just started liking a second team.
:omg: Blasphemy!
Go Pack!
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...just started liking a second team.
:omg: Blasphemy!
Go Pack!
It's "Go Pack Go!"
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Get well soon, Brandon Marshall.
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In my work fantasy league I was losing every week and coming last at the start of the comp. Now, I've moved to 5th and have had a 3 game winning streak, while my opponent in 4th has had a 3 game losing streak. I have a chance this week to make playoffs if I win and he loses.
I've already had Alshon Jeffery and Martellus Bennett play, who luckily did pretty well with solid scores of 15 and 14, but can anyone critique my team and offer any suggestions, if I need to change anything?
Team;
Peyton Manning
Eddie Lacy
Tre Mason
Randall Cobb
Alshon Jeffery - 15.5
Martellus Bennett - 14.4
Joique Bell
K - Cody Parkey
Def - Rams
Bench;
Phil Rivers
LeGarrette Blount
Dan Herron
Chris Ivory
Kenny Stills
Roddy White
Overall I'm pretty happy with my team and personally don't think it's worth throwing any of the bench players on, but then again I'm no NFL expert.
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Looks like you're starting the right people to me.
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Looks like you're starting the right people to me.
Ayup
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Thanks lads. I thought I had a bit of an idea that my starting team was the one. Although I'm a little nervous of Manning's off week last week and Rivers having another blinder. Finally understanding and getting into NFL a bit, right at the end of the season of course. :'(
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Thanks lads. I thought I had a bit of an idea that my starting team was the one. Although I'm a little nervous of Manning's off week last week and Rivers having another blinder. Finally understanding and getting into NFL a bit, right at the end of the season of course. :'(
Are you watching the games, or just following the highlights/stats? If it's the former, just wait for the playoffs man.... It's 10x better.
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Unfortunately, the times that the games are on are our time during the day, so I can only watch some replays. I'm enjoying it though.
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Has anyone seen anNFL game where one team ran two fake punts? Cincinnati ran a fake punt on their first possession, and had a 4th and 1 on their second, and all I could think is "Who would expect another fake?"
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WTF has gotten into the Panthers?
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Dear Saints..... don't want Cam celebrating in the endzone.... KEEP HIM OUT OF IT!!!
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Now is when I brace for 3-4 more years of an exposed Payton and aging Brees inevitably kept on team payroll just to put asses in the seats as per the Tom Benson business model est. 1985.
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This is getting ridiculous.
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Yeah, I'd love to know what in the hell is up with the Saints offense? Yeah, yeah, we know the D stinks, but for the offense to be this awful now? Sean Payton may need to dust off his resume.
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That is beyond embarrassing.
And what the fuck is with the AFC North??? It's just as fucked up as the NFC South... but with better teams. Both the Steelers and Bengals have looked so f'n inconsistent.
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That is beyond embarrassing.
And what the fuck is with the AFC North??? It's just as fucked up as the NFC South... but with better teams. Both the Steelers and Bengals have looked so f'n inconsistent.
The North is completely up for grabs. All 4 teams have looked inconsistent. I think that the Steelers will end up taking it, but we'll see.
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I'm pretty casual when it comes to football, but Andrew Luck reminds me of Brett Favre. Is that a fair comparison?
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Not really, but understandable to an extent. Despite having T.Y. Hilton and Reggie Wayne, this team is probably worse than any Favre ever played with.
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:rollin @ the NFC South. They just feast on each other.
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When the division winner gets into the playoffs with a 6-10 record there is gonna be hell from all of the teams who didn't make it in. I've never understood why some sports don't put the top teams in regardless of division.
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Dear lord, no matter what else happens, just don't let the Niners lose to the Raiders.
Thanks, lonestar
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I'm pretty casual when it comes to football, but Andrew Luck reminds me of Brett Favre. Is that a fair comparison?
That might actually be an insult to Luck :angel:
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Dear lord, no matter what else happens, just don't let the Niners lose to the Raiders.
Thanks, lonestar
Better pray harder.
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I don't see the Luck/Favre thing. Luck is more of a runner than Favre ever was, Favre was much more of a gunslinger, and their demeanors and body types just seem so different. That all aside, I don't think Favre ever had to play behind an o-line this bad before.
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I just read that for the pre-game coin toss, the Rams sent out the six guys that they acquired for the draft pick Washington used to pick Griffin. :lol
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I heard that, too. Pretty funny, especially considering what highway robbery that trade has turned out to be. Even if you take away how awful RG3 was this year, look up the players the Rams got with those picks.
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This eagles-hawks game is really living up to the hype. It is intense...
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This eagles-hawks game is really living up to the hype. It is intense...
Loving this game. I've seen games that we've won, but not *out-played* the opposing team...and I hate that. But we're on fire now. The game is not even as close as the score would make it seem.
I'm sticking by my prediction that if we win this game, we run the table.
Sometimes it's all about getting hot at the right time, and right now I think we may be doing that.
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I'm pretty casual when it comes to football, but Andrew Luck reminds me of Brett Favre. Is that a fair comparison?
That might actually be an insult to Luck :angel:
I don't see the Luck/Favre thing. Luck is more of a runner than Favre ever was, Favre was much more of a gunslinger, and their demeanors and body types just seem so different. That all aside, I don't think Favre ever had to play behind an o-line this bad before.
I guess that's why I never heard the comparison before. :lol
I don't know. To my eyes, he reminds me of Favre a little. All good. :)
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And what's up with the Raiders beating the Niners???
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This eagles-hawks game is really living up to the hype. It is intense...
Loving this game. I've seen games that we've won, but not *out-played* the opposing team...and I hate that. But we're on fire now. The game is not even as close as the score would make it seem.
I'm sticking by my prediction that if we win this game, we run the table.
Sometimes it's all about getting hot at the right time, and right now I think we may be doing that.
Yeah. With the way Seattle has played I'm pretty pleased only being down 10 going into 4th quarter. Still plenty of time to get something going on offense.
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I just read that for the pre-game coin toss, the Rams sent out the six guys that they acquired for the draft pick Washington used to pick Griffin. :lol
That's hilarious!
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And what's up with the Raiders beating the Niners???
SF isn't that good this year. I think some of us have been saying that for a while. ;)
This eagles-hawks game is really living up to the hype. It is intense...
It is, but the Eagles look pretty overmatched.
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And what's up with the Raiders beating the Niners???
SF isn't that good this year. I think some of us have been saying that for a while. ;)
Ya...but....OAKLAND??? Even I hold that the Niners are better than that. It's just mental at this point I think. The Niners are a talented team, but they are just emotionally imploding on every level.
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I suppose.
And LOL at Alex Smith and the Chiefs. They get it back with a minute left, down 3, with no timeouts, and Alex Smith throws almost nothing but 2-yard outs. :lol :lol :lol
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So Bosk, how you feeling brother?
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Actually....this is actually going to make the game in Seattle next week a lot more dangerous. Two reasons. The Seahawks run the risk of looking past the Niners in anticipation of the BIG game at Arizona the week following. Also, even though the Niners are essentially done at this point, that only means they've got nothing left to play for...except to play spoiler to their most hated rival. Win or lose, the Niners will be playing over their heads next week. A cornered animal can sometimes be the most dangerous.
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Ugh. Jordan Matthews was wiiiiide open on that INT and Sanchez missed him.
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Ugh. Jordan Matthews was wiiiiide open on that INT and Sanchez missed him.
Throwing into the wind... I think it was a bad play call to go for the long ball into a head wind.
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Ugh. Jordan Matthews was wiiiiide open on that INT and Sanchez missed him.
Throwing into the wind... I think it was a bad play call to go for the long ball into a head wind.
Yeah but I still think if he threw it to Matthews instead of Cooper it was an easy completion.
And then a dropped pick 6. Man, nothin is going our way today.
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:rollin
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Awesome!!
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When I said the Raiders were the best Bay area team a few weeks ago...I was only kidding! I didn't expect the Niners to take it *literally*...
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bosk on suicide watch
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Goddammit.
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Goddammit.
Hef? :lol
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Goddammit.
I told you to pray harder!!!
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Raiders win! Maybe they'll make it all the way to four wins this year. They can take the Chiefs, and I wouldn't be surprised if Denver rests Peyton in the last game.
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Already hearing rumors that Harbaugh may go across the bay next year. :rollin
But seriously...I hated the Raiders when I shared a division with them. But now they've fallen so far from their glory years that I just feel bad for the city of Oakland. I don't want to see that city lose that team. The LA Raiders just never seemed right to me. I would like to see the StL Rams go back to LA and the Raiders stay in Oakland and grow a stronger franchise that will do the legacy proud.
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Not liking the turnover and getting TD's twice inside the 5 yard line
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Damn. Sucks to be Mike Scifres.
edit: Oh, and the Patriots need to be running more in the RZ to keep the Chargers honest.
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Refs just cost the Pats a TD
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Refs just cost the Pats a TD
Yeah, that was bullshit.
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Still SD defense is doing a hell of a job tonight.
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I swear Kap is trying to be worse with each new game, my god.
I made my first football bet in a year or two with my father for a case of Bud or bottle of Jack for the winner of this game, and now not only do I have to live with the fact that we lost to the Raiders, I gotta go buy some beer as well. Bring on the off-season, I don't even care if we turn it around at this point, no team who loses a game like that, in the hunt for a playoff birth, against a meaningless opponent deserves to get very far.
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The mistake you 49ers fans are making is still believing you have a quarterback. You have an exceptionally talented guy with an awesome arm, but that doesn't make him a quarterback.
Still SD defense is doing a hell of a job tonight.
Yeah, but so is NE's. This is a game where big defensive plays will probably make the difference. I get that Browner is going to earn flags; that's his style of play and by and large it all works out. Negating the hit/interception return hurt.
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Ya...at this point, Kaep is a head case, and he needs a new start. He's allowed his losing ways to completely psych him out. I'm pretty sure he'll fold next week, because not only are the Seahawks "in his head"...but playing at The Clink is "in his head" as well.
He feels it slipping away, and he's lost his confidence. He's certainly not going to get it back this year...and maybe not with this team.
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Refs just cost the Pats a TD
I hated that call, too, but given the way they call the game now, it was a given. Plenty of other previously-good hits like that have been flagged this year.
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That's for sure Kev. El Barto. Totally agree. He'll, the SB winners of late are always at the top of most penalized. I'm all for it.
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Not sure why they're not throwing lots of pressure at the scrub punter. They had him punting out of his endzone earlier and still didn't rush much. The Patriots can definitely block punts, and now seems like the time to really be going for it.
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The mistake you 49ers fans are making is still believing you have a quarterback. You have an exceptionally talented guy with an awesome arm, but that doesn't make him a quarterback.
I said a long time ago that getting rid of Alex Smith was a mistake. He was the guy the team was built around and should've been given a chance to come back from his injury and be THE guy.
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Daily reminder: Goodell is a goon and should be fired.
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Actually....this is actually going to make the game in Seattle next week a lot more dangerous. Two reasons. The Seahawks run the risk of looking past the Niners in anticipation of the BIG game at Arizona the week following. Also, even though the Niners are essentially done at this point, that only means they've got nothing left to play for...except to play spoiler to their most hated rival. Win or lose, the Niners will be playing over their heads next week. A cornered animal can sometimes be the most dangerous.
Problem is, they aren't a cornered animal. They have not played like they cared about winning in weeks, and I'm not sure why. You have nothing to fear next week.
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Actually....this is actually going to make the game in Seattle next week a lot more dangerous. Two reasons. The Seahawks run the risk of looking past the Niners in anticipation of the BIG game at Arizona the week following. Also, even though the Niners are essentially done at this point, that only means they've got nothing left to play for...except to play spoiler to their most hated rival. Win or lose, the Niners will be playing over their heads next week. A cornered animal can sometimes be the most dangerous.
Problem is, they aren't a cornered animal. They have not played like they cared about winning in weeks, and I'm not sure why. You have nothing to fear next week.
I wrote that before I saw Kaep's press conference. That kid is broken. I honestly feel bad for him. He needs therapy. He's dealt with single losses in his lifetime...but I don't think he's ever dealt with an entire team folding in itself before. He has no idea how to deal with it mentally or emotionally.
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Best I can tell, he doesn't seem to be getting any real support from his teammates either. I just don't get what is going on with that team right now.
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Raiders AND Seahawks AND Boise State!!! :metal Great weekend for me.
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Wow, Le'Veon Bell only player besides Sweetness to have 200+ yards from scrimmage in 3 consecutive games. Steelers' O will be scary if they get into the tournament. The D, on the other hand . . . :facepalm:
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Best I can tell, he doesn't seem to be getting any real support from his teammates either. I just don't get what is going on with that team right now.
It's the culmination of all of the scuttlebutt about the fractured lockerroom that SF fans have been in denial about for the last year or so. Some of us saw a collapse coming shortly after the end of last season. I'm honestly surprised they hung together as long as they did. There are issues with the coach, and therefore the leadership, and they thought they were a lot better than they honestly were. The latter leads to a good deal of disappointment and the former turns that disappointment into a meltdown.
The one good thing SF did was rope Kap into a pretty bad contract. They can jettison him whenever they feel it's time nearly consequence free. Like most teams they'll hang onto him longer than they should, but at least they're not married.
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I meant to post this yesterday, but after watching the entire Seahawks/Eagles game I had this thought about the two coaches. Usually I think it's cheesy watching the coaches constantly holding court with the refs, as each did a few times, but I was thinking of how important the game was to both of them. They were two coaches brawling, or as best as they can. They were both putting max effort into it and really leading their respective teams. As coaches, THEY left it all out on the field. I applaud them both.
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@Barto: Not sure if there is any truth to any of that at all, other than the "they thought they were a lot better than they honestly were" leading to "disappointment" factor. Honestly, there are some on the team who are coming across as feeling entitled to win simply because of past success or who they "think" they are. And, honestly, if some members of the team are going to be so controlled by that mentality that they can't handle it when they don't win, then they don't deserve any success at all. It doesn't take many, and I don't honestly think there are many on the team, but even a few can ruin a team if not kept in check.
Oh well. It could be worse. They could be the Saints.
And at least Green Bay looks like they could realistically run the table and keep the #1 seed.
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I meant to post this yesterday, but after watching the entire Seahawks/Eagles game I had this thought about the two coaches. Usually I think it's cheesy watching the coaches constantly holding court with the refs, as each did a few times, but I was thinking of how important the game was to both of them. They were two coaches brawling, or as best as they can. They were both putting max effort into it and really leading their respective teams. As coaches, THEY left it all out on the field. I applaud them both.
As you might guess, I'm a huge fan of great coaching. I'm not sold on Kelly yet, but Carroll is certainly shaping up to be a solid HC. Personally, I like seeing them involved. Game management is the area I find many coaches woefully lacking.
@Barto: Not sure if there is any truth to any of that at all, other than the "they thought they were a lot better than they honestly were" leading to "disappointment" factor. Honestly, there are some on the team who are coming across as feeling entitled to win simply because of past success or who they "think" they are. And, honestly, if some members of the team are going to be so controlled by that mentality that they can't handle it when they don't win, then they don't deserve any success at all. It doesn't take many, and I don't honestly think there are many on the team, but even a few can ruin a team if not kept in check.
Oh well. It could be worse. They could be the Saints.
And at least Green Bay looks like they could realistically run the table and keep the #1 seed.
I haven't seen the interview that people are talking about, but is Kaepernick one you're alluding to? More importantly, isn't it ultimately the coach's responsibility to deal with that?
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Here's the press conference....there's nothing wrong or controversial about it. But (and I know I'm not the only one who sees it) he just seems completely deflated. I mean, you could argue that it's just because of the loss...but I really feel there's a much deeper despair going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNN43pCycGo
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Deflated would be an understatement. Marshawn Lynch gives more energy in an interview.
It's like he doesn't have any optimism or any hope in him either.
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That's what I was taking from it. Like I said earlier, he just seems like a completely broken man. He is just not mentally "up to" doing his job at this point.
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Actually....this is actually going to make the game in Seattle next week a lot more dangerous. Two reasons. The Seahawks run the risk of looking past the Niners in anticipation of the BIG game at Arizona the week following. Also, even though the Niners are essentially done at this point, that only means they've got nothing left to play for...except to play spoiler to their most hated rival. Win or lose, the Niners will be playing over their heads next week. A cornered animal can sometimes be the most dangerous.
Problem is, they aren't a cornered animal. They have not played like they cared about winning in weeks, and I'm not sure why. You have nothing to fear next week.
I wrote that before I saw Kaep's press conference. That kid is broken. I honestly feel bad for him. He needs therapy. He's dealt with single losses in his lifetime...but I don't think he's ever dealt with an entire team folding in itself before. He has no idea how to deal with it mentally or emotionally.
Kaep is like that because his coach like that. JH can't handle defeat and is a sore loser. That attitude trickles down to the players. Especially those in a leadership role such as the QB. See the look in Kaep's eyes? Watch the JH PC after the Bronco's game. He's got that same look. Tries to say the right things but his tone and body language don't genuinely match what he's saying. No class whatsoever. If 49er fans don't realize what's happening to that team, then they don't know the coach very well. All you have to do is look into his eyes and that tells the whole story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdoD78gSMk
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Tonight is Aaron Rodgers 100th start. Interesting stats according to ESPN:
- If Rodgers throws 293 yards tonight, Rodgers will have more passing yards than any player in NFL history in their first 100 career starts, eclipsing Tony Romo who had 27,485 in his first 100 starts
- Rodgers has already thrown 219 touchdown passes as a starter, the most in NFL history in a player's first 100 career starts.
- Rodgers has a TD-Int ratio of 4.06, the best in league history through 100 starts and nearly twice as good as any other quarterback. The next best QB in that category? Donovan McNabb with a ratio of 2.13
And think about the terrible O-line Rodgers has had to play behind over the years, and how many times he's been hit and sacked. Imagine what he could do with an O-line that of the likes of the Dallas Cowboys from the early to mid 90's with Mark Stepnoski and Larry Allen protecting him?
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Actually....this is actually going to make the game in Seattle next week a lot more dangerous. Two reasons. The Seahawks run the risk of looking past the Niners in anticipation of the BIG game at Arizona the week following. Also, even though the Niners are essentially done at this point, that only means they've got nothing left to play for...except to play spoiler to their most hated rival. Win or lose, the Niners will be playing over their heads next week. A cornered animal can sometimes be the most dangerous.
Problem is, they aren't a cornered animal. They have not played like they cared about winning in weeks, and I'm not sure why. You have nothing to fear next week.
I wrote that before I saw Kaep's press conference. That kid is broken. I honestly feel bad for him. He needs therapy. He's dealt with single losses in his lifetime...but I don't think he's ever dealt with an entire team folding in itself before. He has no idea how to deal with it mentally or emotionally.
Kaep is like that because his coach like that. JH can't handle defeat and is a sore loser. That attitude trickles down to the players. Especially those in a leadership role such as the QB. See the look in Kaep's eyes? Watch the JH PC after the Bronco's game. He's got that same look. Tries to say the right things but his tone and body language don't genuinely match what he's saying. No class whatsoever. If 49er fans don't realize what's happening to that team, then they don't know the coach very well. All you have to do is look into his eyes and that tells the whole story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdoD78gSMk
Being a sore loser is just fine--for about five minutes or so, and then you need to accept responsibility and move on to Cincinnati. In Yesterday's pregame show Michael Irvin said this is why Tom Brady is the best QB in the league. I dispute his conclusion, but agree wholeheartedly with his reasoning.
Note that he's not yelling at anybody other than himself.
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And he also can get in front of the media, relax, and give substantive answers. Kaep has completely adopted his coach's media style in terms of giving 1-3 word answers with a tone that conveys either complete detachment or outright hostility. And it isn't just the interview above. He is always like that. And he was not like that in the beginning, so it is all the more frustrating because he actually has a pleasant personality.
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Well, Belichick has always been an asshole. :lol
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I've never been a big believer in Kaep, but it sucks to see that player transform into such a shell of a guy. That interview was painful to watch. He looked like a guy on the verge of doing something he regrets.
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My prediction for the NFC for the rest of the season...
The Seahawks win out and win the west.
Arizona just has too many injuries, they will lose out and still be 10-6
Green Bay will most likely win out...but the only question mark is the game at Buffalo. That's not a gimmie. If Buffalo can pull the upset at home, Green Bay ends the season 12-4 and Seattle wins the tiebreaker. But unfortunately, they will most likely win out at 13-3 and the road to the SB will go through Lambeau.
Detroit will beat Minn and Chicago, but lose the finale against GB, ending the season 11-5. There's wild card #1.
Atlanta and NO will both end the season at 7-9 splitting their games with each other. Not sure who wins that tie-breaker...but I think it's Atlanta. But really...who cares.
The Eagles have a pretty cushy schedule from here on out. I say they win out and go 12-4 and win the east.
The Cowboys are funny. I think they will lose at Philly, and win their season closer against the Redskins. That means the rubber game is the home game against Indy. If they win that, they go to 11-5 and that will be your second wild card. If they lose to Indy at home, they will be 10-6 and then they will be tied with Arizona for the second WC spot. Not sure who wins that tie-breaker.
In Summary.
East: Philly
West: Seattle
South: NO/Atlanta (whoever has the tiebreaker...they will tie)
North: Green Bay
WC 1: Detroit
WC 2: Dallas or Arizona
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
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Arizona has beaten Philly, Dallas and Detroit, so that will be huge for them in a tiebreaker comes down to head-to-head, but if it's a three-way tie, I think it goes to maybe conference record?
My gut tells me the Lions will find a way to lose in Chicago week 16, finishes 10-6, and ends up the odd team out.
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
Me too. Threw that theory out there a few weeks/pages ago.
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
Same here. I was hoping for 5-11 but unfortunately someone has to win the Falcons Saints game. :lol
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
I think this would be tough. They've got a game against each other. In order for the division winner to be 6-10, one team would *have* to lose out, the other would have to go 1-2 only winning against the other.
Based on that scenario, the more likely outcome would be The Saints, since they have two road games (Chicago and Tampa Bay) besides the home game against Atlanta. So if they lose those road games, beat Atlanta, AND Atlanta were to lose out (which would include losing TWO home games to Pittsburgh and Carolina...not likely IMO) you would have NO as a 6-10 champ. For Atlanta to win, they'd have to lose the two home games and win on the road in NO...
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I've never been a big believer in Kaep, but it sucks to see that player transform into such a shell of a guy. That interview was painful to watch. He looked like a guy on the verge of doing something he regrets.
I don't like the guy, but damn. How much must it suck to go out and get your ass thoroughly beat and then have to spend 15 minutes answering stupid questions like that?
And I still think Dallas splits the series with Phili.
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
I think this would be tough. They've got a game against each other. In order for the division winner to be 6-10, one team would *have* to lose out, the other would have to go 1-2 only winning against the other.
Based on that scenario, the more likely outcome would be The Saints, since they have two road games (Chicago and Tampa Bay) besides the home game against Atlanta. So if they lose those road games, beat Atlanta, AND Atlanta were to lose out (which would include losing TWO home games to Pittsburgh and Carolina...not likely IMO) you would have NO as a 6-10 champ. For Atlanta to win, they'd have to lose the two home games and win on the road in NO...
I think those two teams have it in them to pull it off.
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Calling it now. The NFC South champion will win a playoff game.
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The NFL won't do it, but they should just change it to where the best two division winners get the 1 and 2 seeds and then the four next best teams get seeds 3-6 in that order. Not only does it suck when a sub .500 team wins a division, but I hate seeing a team going 12-4 or 13-3 and getting the 5 seed cause they played in the same division as a team that went 14-2 or something like that, while some 9-7 team is hosting a playoff game.
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Atlanta and NO will both end the season at 7-9 splitting their games with each other. Not sure who wins that tie-breaker...but I think it's Atlanta. But really...who cares.
Saints are NOT winning 2 outta 3. The Bears game is a guaranteed loss when you factor in the team's shitty road performance compounded by cold weather. Add the fact that Sunday's raping was an obvious confirmation of the locker room turmoil I've suspected all season long and they'll be lucky to even win one. Even the TB game is looking like a pretty sure loss when you consider how they thoroughly seized control of the meeting in the dome with a 24-7 run before the Saints frantically managed to force OT for a win they'd completely pissed away. This one will be in TB and may be the final nail in the coffin for Payton, Brees, or both.
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
Same here. I was hoping for 5-11 but unfortunately someone has to win the Falcons Saints game. :lol
How 'bout a tie, and 5-10-1. Especially if Carolina loses their other two games (thus going 1-2), then there's a three way tie at 5-10-1.
That would be glorious. Think I might go find a bookie, and lay a c-note on that. Probably would win me $20G's or something. :jets:
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
Same here. I was hoping for 5-11 but unfortunately someone has to win the Falcons Saints game. :lol
How 'bout a tie, and 5-10-1. Especially if Carolina loses their other two games (thus going 1-2), then there's a three way tie at 5-10-1.
That would be glorious. Think I might go find a bookie, and lay a c-note on that. Probably would win me $20G's or something. :jets:
That would be EPIC.
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AFC Predictions....
The Pats have the easiest job of all...home against Miami and Buffalo, and the Jets on the road. I'd be *shocked* if they don't win out. There's your #1.
Denver has #2 locked up no matter what...but their schedule is tougher. San Diego and Cincinnati on the road, and then the Raiders at home. I got a feeling they lose one of those road games. But it makes no difference. There are dozens of scenarios and most of them end with Denver locking up the #2 seed.
The South is not over. In spite of their being three games left and two games between them, Houston has the major cushy schedule (two home games...one against the Jags). *IF* Houston wins the showdown next week in Indy...I say they win out. And IF that happens, then Indy MUST win not one, but TWO road games (one of them in Dallas) just to avoid a tie. If a tie happens, I *think* the Texans take the tiebreaker. Let's put it this way. IMO, the winner of next weeks game wins the South....period. But I'm going to say it will probably be Indy.
HOW MUCH FUN IS THE AFC NORTH??? This may be the funnest playoff watch ever, and it seems a shame any of them have to sit it out.
Pit and Baltimore will both win out. I believe Pit wins the tiebreaker. But both will be 11-5, making the Ravens the other WC. Bengals and Browns both go 1-2 to finish the season, making the Bengals 9-6-1, and the Browns would be (I believe) the first team in history to be last place in a division with a winning record at 9-7.
In fact, the second WC will probably come down to Cincinnati....the other possibly contenders (Houston, San Diego) will be 9-7, and The Bengals win that by record, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Summary:
West: Denver
East: New England
North: Pit
South: Indy
WC #1: Baltimore
WC #2: Cincinnati
EDIT: Just realized that the Ravens "winning out" involves eliminating the Texans...so I'm sticking with that instead of the Houston winning out scenario. I don't think they beat Indy on the road anyway.
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Quote possible. I just ran some stuff through the ESPN playoff machine and here is what it spit out:
AFC:
1. Denver (I had Buffalo beat NE just for fun)
2. NE
3. Indy
4. Baltimore
5. Pittsburgh
6. San Diego
NFC:
1. Green Bay (they win out)
2. Philly
3. Arizona
4. NO
5. Detroit
6. Dallas
(Unfortunately for Seattle, in my dream scenario, after they unfortunately beat SF next week, when they travel to Arizona, Lynch, Sherman, and Bennett suffer career-ending injuries, and the Seahawks lose their last two. Sorry.)
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Where's that tool? I wanna try..
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I know I'm way down on the Saints this year but I really just can't see how anyone can pick them to win any more than one of their next three games. The 3-8-1 Panthers did everything short of using a speculum on 'em yesterday.
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Where's that tool? I wanna try..
https://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
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Quote possible.
Confirmed.
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I am rooting HARD for the NFC South winner to be 6-10.
Same here. I was hoping for 5-11 but unfortunately someone has to win the Falcons Saints game. :lol
Not true, dude. How about 5-11-1? :lol
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Ok. I ran my scenarios and discovered that even if the Texans and Colts tie, Indy gets the tie-breakers...so that solves that.
Also, I just looked at Houston's history for the first time, and they have only beaten *REALLY CRAPPY* teams. So that tells me they are out.
My scenario popped out this (more realistic than Bosk's ;) ) outcome:
AFC:
1. NE
2. Denver
Wild Card Games:
#6 Cincinnati at #3 Pittsburgh
#5 Baltimore at #4 Indy
NFC:
1. Green Bay
2. Seattle
Wild Card Games:
#6 Dallas at #3 Philly
#5 Detroit at #4 New Orleans
This NFC scenario has one interesting twist. The important game becomes that Dallas/Indy game. What I've listed has Dallas winning at home against Indy. If they LOSE that game, then they are out and Arizona gets in as a #6 seed. Meanwhile, Indy would move to #3 in the AFC and trade places with Pittsburgh who would move to #4. #'s 5 and 6 in the AFC would not change.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
IDK man. Atlanta on the road, and then Cincy and KC at home in Pit? I mean, the Steelers aren't going to be a major player in post-season (in fact, I hope they LOSE out and miss altogether. After Super Bowl XL, I freakin HATE the Steelers) but I just don't see it happening. That's a pretty cushy final three if you ask me.
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I just ran the same scenario, but with the twist that KC wins in Pit. (still don't see that happening...but) That would put KC in the playoffs...period. But since they win a tiebreaker with Pit and lose a tie breaker against Cincy, that would make a 5 or 6 seed dependent on the outcome of the Pit-Cincy game.
That would also make the season ender between Pit and Cincy a playoff game all by itself. Winner goes to the playoffs, loser goes home.
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Are the falcons trying?
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Is that game still on? I gave up.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
IDK man. Atlanta on the road, and then Cincy and KC at home in Pit? I mean, the Steelers aren't going to be a major player in post-season (in fact, I hope they LOSE out and miss altogether. After Super Bowl XL, I freakin HATE the Steelers) but I just don't see it happening. That's a pretty cushy final three if you ask me.
I'll repeat, with some stuff added:
The Steelers lost to the Bucs AT HOME.
The Steelers lost to the Jets.
The Steelers lost to the Saints AT HOME.
No games are cushy with that team.
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I just cleared the entire thing and ran it all from scratch with a couple of tweaks. I still ended up with essentially the same thing. But I just realized that if the Falcons and the Saints end at 6-10, the Panthers can win only 2 of their final three (very doable, it's the Bucs, Browns and Falcons) and win the South at 6-9-1.
:rollin
And again, I put KC winning at Pit in week 16, which puts them in no matter what, and puts the same "win or go home" weight on the season ending Steeler-Bengals matchup.
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Another really cool and interesting scenario. (Gawd...I *LOVE* being nerdy about football)
GB is doing fantastic....but they are not unbeatable. I still say that game in Buffalo could go either way. That's a dangerous game for them IMO. Because if they lose in Buffalo, and the Lions beat the Vikings at home and the Bears on the road.....that makes the season ending matchup between them a "winner wins the division" matchup. The loser would still be in, but as a 6th seed.
Even though it's unlikely, I find that to be a surprisingly plausible and very dramatic play-out...
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Buffalo's got a great defense, and Kyle Orton has been having good games for the most part. I think if we can get so close to the broncos, and hold Peyton Manning for 0 TD's, we can at least have a fighting chance with the Packers.
Don't think we'll win, but there's a chance.
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Buffalo's got a great defense, and Kyle Orton has been having good games for the most part. I think if we can get so close to the broncos, and hold Peyton Manning for 0 TD's, we can at least have a fighting chance with the Packers.
Don't think we'll win, but there's a chance.
It's just really strange to think that GB is such a clear powerhouse at this point, and yet there's a still a plausible scenario that makes them a 6 seed.
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Really proud of my Falcons for not just folding, down 31-7. Offense was lights out the 2nd half.
We gotta get some pass rushers tho... can't give any QB, but especially not Rogers, that kind of time all game long.
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Dom Capers consistently has one of the lowest ranked defenses, with some of the best talent in the league. How does he still have a job in the NFL?
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They all feel sorry for him for having worked with the 90s Saints?
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The Panthers aren't out of it yet. We'll see what happens.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
IDK man. Atlanta on the road, and then Cincy and KC at home in Pit? I mean, the Steelers aren't going to be a major player in post-season (in fact, I hope they LOSE out and miss altogether. After Super Bowl XL, I freakin HATE the Steelers) but I just don't see it happening. That's a pretty cushy final three if you ask me.
As a Steeler fan, I can tell you FOR SURE that the game they most likely lose is in Atlanta - Julio Jones anyone? The Steelers secondary is a bad joke and guys like Jones and AJ Green always torch them (Green had 220+ yds against them Sunday). The Chiefs have no vertical passing game so that should be an easy win, and they should take the season-ender at home against Cincy. Unfortunately that means we have to hope Baltimore loses one but that is not likely with their schedule, so the probable outcome is we are #6 seed and Baltimore wins the division.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
IDK man. Atlanta on the road, and then Cincy and KC at home in Pit? I mean, the Steelers aren't going to be a major player in post-season (in fact, I hope they LOSE out and miss altogether. After Super Bowl XL, I freakin HATE the Steelers) but I just don't see it happening. That's a pretty cushy final three if you ask me.
As a Steeler fan, I can tell you FOR SURE that the game they most likely lose is in Atlanta - Julio Jones anyone? The Steelers secondary is a bad joke and guys like Jones and AJ Green always torch them (Green had 220+ yds against them Sunday).
Yeah, but Atlanta's run defense is even worse, and Bell is having an MVP season at RB. Atlanta should fear him a lot more than Pitt should fear Jones. Ryan is just too inconsistent. I think Pitt out-guns the Falcons, just like GB did last night.
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The Steelers have lost to not only the Bucs and Jets, but got drilled at home last week by the shitty Saints (before scoring twice late to make the final score look respectable), so no way should they be trusted to win four straight to close out the season.
IDK man. Atlanta on the road, and then Cincy and KC at home in Pit? I mean, the Steelers aren't going to be a major player in post-season (in fact, I hope they LOSE out and miss altogether. After Super Bowl XL, I freakin HATE the Steelers) but I just don't see it happening. That's a pretty cushy final three if you ask me.
As a Steeler fan, I can tell you FOR SURE that the game they most likely lose is in Atlanta - Julio Jones anyone? The Steelers secondary is a bad joke and guys like Jones and AJ Green always torch them (Green had 220+ yds against them Sunday).
Yeah, but Atlanta's run defense is even worse, and Bell is having an MVP season at RB. Atlanta should fear him a lot more than Pitt should fear Jones. Ryan is just too inconsistent. I think Pitt out-guns the Falcons, just like GB did last night.
Yeah, that's the thing I'm loving so much about our offense this year, it's a true double-threat: Ben is 2nd in passing yards and Bell is 2nd in rushing yards and first in yards from scrimmage. A shoot-out would be fun but I prefer that our D play a solid game for once.
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Bell could approach 300 yards against Atlanta.
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Cam Newton was apparently just involved in an automobile accident - no word yet on extent of injuries.
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Cam Newton was apparently just involved in an automobile accident - no word yet on extent of injuries.
A car crashed and overturned on the Church Street bridge over I-277 about 12:30 p.m. and ambulances are on the scene. A second car involved in the crash is also in the road, near Hill Street.
A man appearing to be Newton was seen strapped down to a stretcher, according to a WBTV report.
"We are closely monitoring the situation of a car wreck involving Cam Newton," the Panthers said in a statement. "We will have more information at an appropriate time."
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12004613/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-involved-car-accident
Hoping for the best...
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Yep. Doesn't sound good. Hopefully not too serious.
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Nothing life threatening, and he was smiling at the scene.
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His even years in the league so far have been very littered with weird occurrences to say the least.
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His even years in the league so far have been very littered with weird occurrences to say the least.
So his even years have been kind of odd?? ;D
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:facepalm: :lol
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His even years in the league so far have been very littered with weird occurrences to say the least.
So his even years have been kind of odd?? ;D
:lhk:
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Apparently a couple of broken bones in his back. Not sure yet how that will affect him.
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It'll weaken his delivery enough to correct for his perpetual overthrowing. His passer rating next year will be at least 140.
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Cam was released from the hospital today. I would be shocked if he played this week, but he will most likely be able to play the last 2 games. If not, I am confident in Derek Anderson.
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Cam was released from the hospital today. I would be shocked if he played this week, but he will most likely be able to play the last 2 games. If not, I am confident in Derek Anderson.
Anderson already announced as a starter, he gets to play the Bucs again.
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;D
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;D
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:rollin
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Peterson's appeal has been denied.
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Bill Cosby just picked up Darren Sharper for his fantasy league.
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Sorry I've been lagging on this...
Post-Week 14 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. New England - Brady has that "Elway of 1998" look about him: his job is to pick up 3rd downs and whatnot while the defense and running game carry the brunt.
2. Green Bay - Rodgers is the best player on the planet right now, but their defense still scares me. They need to win out and get home field.
3. Seattle - are peaking at the right team. Can beat anyone anywhere if they keep this up.
4. Denver - I like the emphasis on running it more, but the drawback is Peyton is now struggling a bit cause he can't get a good rhythm going. They need to find the right mix.
5. Indianapolis - gutsy win over Cleveland last week, but as good as Luck is, that o-line is a mess.
6. Arizona - big win over KC last week, but I still think they are destined to be a wild card.
7. Philadelphia - they get docked for that epic beatdown they got at home last week to Seattle.
8. Dallas - can they match what the Eagles did and beat them on the road?
9. Detroit - tough remaining schedule could make them the odd man out in the NFC.
10. Cincinnati - inexplicably still the favorite in the AFC North, but they are hanging on by a thread.
Trending up: Houston, St. Louis and Minnesota
Trending down: Kansas City, SF and Washington
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Tennessee
Also:
MVP update time!
1. Aaron Rodgers - The race is over.
2. Andrew Luck - put an average QB on this team and they'd be in the top 10 of next May's NFL draft.
3. J.J. Watt - back in the race for 2nd place with the Texans back over .500.
4. Peyton Manning - his struggles last week do not erase how much he carried this team for most of the season.
5. Rob Gronkowski - with all due respect to Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates, I've never seen a TE this dominant. He is an unstoppable beast.
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His YAC is amazing to watch. It's great to see a player with such great hands no be afraid of running someone over. Plus, his line blocking is amazing as well.
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Ugh, damn Cardinals. Seahawks must win tomorrow to have a shot at taking the west.
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Ugh, damn Cardinals. Seahawks must win tomorrow to have a shot at taking the west.
I wouldn't worry.
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What really sucks is that it looks likely to me that Arizona will get the 5 seed, which would mean they'd play the NFC South winner in the first round, which also means Arizona or the NFC South winner would be playing in the 2nd round. Ugh.
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I'm hoping AZ manages to get the 2nd seed and Eagles get 4th so if they win the first round they go to AZ which far preferable to Green Bay or Seattle.
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A- lmfao at bandwagon man
B- c'mon Niners....
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I'm hoping AZ manages to get the 2nd seed and Eagles get 4th so if they win the first round they go to AZ which far preferable to Green Bay or Seattle.
Uh, what?
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I'm hoping AZ manages to get the 2nd seed and Eagles get 4th so if they win the first round they go to AZ which far preferable to Green Bay or Seattle.
Uh, what?
Yeah, I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the NFC South champion to finish with the 4th seed at this point.
But AZ @ 2 and Philly @ 3. That's much more feasible.... but still not likely unless they can stop Seattle from overtaking the division lead.
Going to the Ravens game today. It's just the Jaguars.... but love going to any game that I can.
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Sorry 2 and 3 is what I meant. :facepalm:
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What a BS roughing the passer call on Worilds. If the QB has the ball and is standing tall in the pocket, how is wrapping him with your arms and running through him a penalty?
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Getting closer to flag football.
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Welcome to the NFL Johnny Football.
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The Redskins are a bunch of babies.
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Nice job Pats allowing the Dolphins to score with 30 seconds left in the half. Bad special teams and how the fuck do you let a 50 yard Bomb for a touchdown will 11 seconds left.
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Welcome to the NFL Johnny Football.
LOL Manziel. The Browns just can't catch a break when their QB's keep throwing INT's. :lol
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Welcome to the NFL Johnny Football.
LOL Manziel. The Browns just can't catch a break when their QB's keep throwing INT's. :lol
Yeah, and he had a third negated by penalty.
That pass to Gronk was a thing of beauty.
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....and the Packers are losing to the Bills.
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Yeah, I'm watching the Pack/Bills game. 5 dropped passes. 2 of them them to JN. AR with 2 picks. At this point it doesn't look like all NFC roads will go through GB.
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Odell Beckham Jr is out of control.
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AR 1st game in career with 0 TD's and 2 INT's. No more #1 spot for MVP right Kev? :lol
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No, he's still the runaway MVP. One bad game doesn't erase a season of this kind of greatness.
Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
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Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
That's not good. I'd much rather play Green Bay than Seattle if the Pats get that far.
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Bills defense is showing themselves to be one hell of a force to reckon with :hat
What a win!
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Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
That's not good. I'd much rather play Green Bay than Seattle if the Pats get that far.
Yeah, I have to agree. At the same time I predicted a NE/SEA superbowl, so if that happens I'll win a good amount of beer, as well as the bottle of Irish I'm already looking to win for a different football endeavor.
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No, he's still the runaway MVP. One bad game doesn't erase a season of this kind of greatness.
Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
Very true Kev.
Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
That's not good. I'd much rather play Green Bay than Seattle if the Pats get that far.
Yeah, I have to agree. At the same time I predicted a NE/SEA superbowl, so if that happens I'll win a good amount of beer, as well as the bottle of Irish I'm already looking to win for a different football endeavor.
I agree as well but who am I to hold it against free beer and whiskey?!
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For the record...I'm not the least bit worried. With this crew, both this year and last year, it seems that they *always* play stronger as a second half team. Usually after beating up on the other team and wearing them down a bit. Think Rocky III...that's just the way the Carroll-era of Seahawk football has always been played.
EDIT: What does worry me is Lynch being non-existent in the game plan. That seems to never work. I can only assume his back is bothering him.
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No, he's still the runaway MVP. One bad game doesn't erase a season of this kind of greatness.
Sadly, the loss now puts Seattle in a position where they get home field if they win out.
Well, I was actually kidding around a little bit, but fair enough. On another more serious note, what would DeMarco Murray have to do to get back into the top 5?
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See what happens when you feed The Beast?? :xbones
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I didn't like the call against the Niners for the hit on Wilson. OTOH....I do agree that we've had MANY MANY MANY bad calls go against us all season. I don't excuse bad calls no matter what...but it is what it is.
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That's the worst call I've seen all year, and it was game-changing. I don't advocate head-hunting, but if I'm on the 49ers D, I'm jacking Wilson up big time the next time I have a shot at him. Screw it, they're gonna throw a flag no matter what anyway, so might as well make it count.
Dubleagent66, it's hard for me to say Romo is less valuable than Murray, so I can't put Murray in the top 5 at this point.
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And Detroit beats Minnesota.
That last game of the year between the Lions and the Packers in Lambeau is going to be a **DOG FIGHT**. Winner will win the division, #2 seed, bye week and home field. Loser gets #6 seed and be on the road for the entire playoffs. HUGE!!!
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That's assuming the Lions win at Chicago next week, which I wouldn't. Dome teams historically struggle outside in December, and the Lions aren't exactly setting the world on fire lately.
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Well...for that game I wasn't counting on the Lions being on fire. I was more assuming the Bears will collapse. :rollin
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That's probably a safe bet, but you never know.
What's funny is how we are all talking about the fight for the 1 seed between GB and Seattle, but if the playoffs started right now, neither would win their division and they'd be the 5 and 6 seeds. :lol :lol
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That's probably a safe bet, but you never know.
What's funny is how we are all talking about the fight for the 1 seed between GB and Seattle, but if the playoffs started right now, neither would win their division and they'd be the 5 and 6 seeds. :lol :lol
With Seattle, I think everyone is pretty much assuming it *will* happen at this point. Arizona is just in so much trouble right now. Third string QB, Ellington is out...and isn't Fitzgerald still injured? They are just too broken up. It would almost be a shame if they managed to stagger into the playoffs on a losing streak just to make a quick first round exit.
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49ers are eliminated while the 5-8-1 Panthers are leading their division.
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Panthers :metal
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Peyton was sick as hell today with the flu, but the Broncos still managed to win by 12 in San Diego thanks to running the ball a ton and playing great D. It's good to see the Broncos finding new and different ways to win. They are poised to be the 2 seed and a team most are overlooking come playoff time (since most will give NE the AFC ahead of time if they get home field). We'll see what happens.
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Wow...pretty embarrassing start for the Eagles. :-\
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I didn't expect this. But given the Eagles history...maybe I should have. I just thought Romo's history of December would trump The Eagles history of December.
Guess I was wrong. :loser:
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How long till pitchers and catchers report?
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You live in SF and you're asking internet folk scattered across the globe about pitching and catching rather than your neighbors?
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You knock on your neighbors' doors to inquire about major league baseball updates?
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:lol
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lol Browns - rebuilding since 1969
lol Rodgers
lol Refs
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Man, that Bills Defense, and to think we get Kiko Alonso back next season :caffeine:
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How long till pitchers and catchers report?
Just about two months!!! Football and hockey are "fill in" sports for me between baseball seasons.
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Man it sucks living where I do when it comes to the NFL. Instead of getting to watch the Steelers clinch a playoff spot by beating the Chiefs, my only AFC game option is a meaningless NE - NYJ beatdown :angry:.
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Man it sucks living where I do when it comes to the NFL. Instead of getting to watch the Steelers clinch a playoff spot by beating the Chiefs, my only AFC game option is a meaningless NE - NYJ beatdown :angry:.
Where are you?
Nothing wrong with watching a NE beatdown! ;D
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Tirico just announced live that Gruden's broadcasting contract has been extended through 2021. I await some outcry in this thread.
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I don't mind Gruden that much. Yeah, he's sort of a goofball and says some weird stuff sometimes, but he does know his football and has a lot of enthusiasm for the game.
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I actually like him a good bit. I just know there's a vocal set of dissentors round here.
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Gruden was too praise-happy with too many players early on in his broadcasting career, but he's toned it way down over the last year or two, and it being a two-man booth really benefits him since a three-man booth often sees the two color commentators fighting for talking space.
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There are so many other announcers to hate on.
I like how the media here in Boston is trying to drum up some locker room quotes from Denver's Terrance Knighton who said no matter the road they will win the SB even if we have to go to N.E. All players think that on very good teams. I wonder if it actually works to motivate other teams or not.
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Gruden was too praise-happy with too many players early on in his broadcasting career, but he's toned it way down over the last year or two, and it being a two-man booth really benefits him since a three-man booth often sees the two color commentators fighting for talking space.
Yeah, I would agree with that. He is nowhere near as annoying as he used to be.
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I like Gruden quite a bit.
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My goodness Jay Cutler is just TERRIBLE. He got paid $1,375,000 for that performance last night.
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Christ, a Thursday night game between Tennessee and Jacksonville??? I can't imagine how a game could be less palatable. This will have to be the lowest rated NFL game in history. They should reschedule it for Sunday and ship both teams off to London so that only the Brits will have to endure it on TV.
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lol
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Christ, a Thursday night game between Tennessee and Jacksonville??? I can't imagine how a game could be less palatable. This will have to be the lowest rated NFL game in history. They should reschedule it for Sunday and ship both teams off to London so that only the Brits will have to endure it on TV.
And what does the winner get in this incredible battle? Why, a worse draft pick position than a division rival.
Expect to see a lot of effort out there :)
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So has any team ever actually tried to lose for reasons of draft picks? Seems like they always say they're going to try, pride and whatnot, so it'd be hard to tell if they actually put effort into losing while looking competitive.
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People have accused Indy of doing that to get Luck...but you'd never be able to prove or disprove it.
I'm going to tune in to the beginning of the game on Thursday...just because I think the pre-game will be such a train wreck that it may actually turn out hilarious! :lol
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I would actually love to see a team just take a knee instead of going for a game winning FG or something to secure the #1 overall pick. If that happens I would think the NFL goes to a lottery system like the NBA to prevent that. I do doubt that would ever happen though, the players and coaches have to much pride to purposely lose. However, I do think that teams mentally check out once they are that bad and then continue to lose although I dont think its on purpose to secure picks.
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Post-Week 15 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. New England - Lost in the chatter about their record is how great their D is again.
2. Seattle - I still say their best is better than anyone else's best, especially when that all-time great D is playing like it has been lately.
3. Denver - Gusty road win, thanks to running it a lot and a great defensive performance. Can they keep it up or will they revert to throwing it 40 times a game the minute they fall behind in a playoff game?
4 Green Bay - As awesome as they are at home, they are pretty average on the road. No shame in losing to a Bills team that has a great defense, regardless.
5. Dallas - Amazingly, they still might miss the playoffs if they don't beat Indy this week.
6. Arizona - I still think they are on the verge of slipping, but 11-3 is 11-3.
7. Indianapolis - The greatness of Luck might win them a playoff game, but they need serious help on the o-line before they can knock off the big dogs on a consistent basis.
8. Cincinnati - They've been getting it done on the road lately, but Dalton is still really shaky.
9. Detroit - They probably need to beat a hapless Bears team outside in cold weather in December to solidify a playoff spot.
10. Philadelphia - Chip Kelly has done a great job with this team, but some cracks are showing.
Trending up: Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Baltimore
Trending down: SF, Cleveland and Miami
Bottom 3: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Tennessee
Also:
MVP update time!
1. Aaron Rodgers - The race is still over.
2. Andrew Luck - Imagine what he'll do when they give him a good line.
3. J.J. Watt - Won't win it cause of the Texans .500 record, but I hope he gets a few votes.
4. Peyton Manning - gutsy performance in playing with the flu.
5. Rob Gronkowski - Arguably the best and most valuable non-QB skill position player in the NFL.
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I would actually love to see a team just take a knee instead of going for a game winning FG or something to secure the #1 overall pick. If that happens I would think the NFL goes to a lottery system like the NBA to prevent that. I do doubt that would ever happen though, the players and coaches have to much pride to purposely lose. However, I do think that teams mentally check out once they are that bad and then continue to lose although I dont think its on purpose to secure picks.
I'm not sure on this, but I believe the commissioner has broad power to penalize franchises for making the league look bad. If a team tanked badly, the commissioner might just take the draft pick away, entirely.
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I would actually love to see a team just take a knee instead of going for a game winning FG or something to secure the #1 overall pick. If that happens I would think the NFL goes to a lottery system like the NBA to prevent that. I do doubt that would ever happen though, the players and coaches have to much pride to purposely lose. However, I do think that teams mentally check out once they are that bad and then continue to lose although I dont think its on purpose to secure picks.
I'm not sure on this, but I believe the commissioner has broad power to penalize franchises for making the league look bad. If a team tanked badly, the commissioner might just take the draft pick away, entirely.
Well we all know this commissioner has no problem taking matters into his own hands, but in this situation, it would be best for the league to not allow teams to do something like the example I had. Although, it would be hilarious to see happen tonight. Would almost make the game worth watching to see who wants to lose the most.
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Bears benched Cutler for Jimmy Clausen. Not sure what they can possibly do moving forward. Nobody will want him as a starter given how he's played, and his contract makes him absolutely toxic. I guess they'll cut him and shell out the 15.5 million he's due for 2015. Pretty nasty cap hit, though. As much as I dislike the 49ers, they did very well in signing their non-quarterback. They're not married to Kap at all, and he's payed very fairly while he's on the team. Cutler might well come out of it the biggest NFL train robber since JaMarcus Russell. :lol
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Rob Johnson gave Jamarcus a serious run for his money if you factor in how QBs were paid in 1998 versus 2007.
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Bears benched Cutler for Jimmy Clausen.
God, they must be awfully desperate. I remember Clausen from when he was here in Carolina. He was awful.
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Bears benched Cutler for Jimmy Clausen.
The coach must've thought he was in a pickle! ;D
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:facepalm:
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Rob Johnson gave Jamarcus a serious run for his money if you factor in how QBs were paid in 1998 versus 2007.
Yeah, 25 million and a 1st and 4th is pretty steep, but he went on to play for parts of several more seasons. Besides which, his failure was due to being made of glass, rather than general suckitude. At the end of the day Cutler will be the poster child for disastrous contracts. The guy has already earned 38 million dollars for 14 games and 24 turnovers, and gets another 10 mil March 1. His contract and ineptitude make him kryptonite so he's essentially untradable. All Chicago's moves suck, but they might well end up cutting him outright, and he spends the rest of his life on a yacht next to Jimmy Johnson's burning through his Bears money.
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I guess he's really trying to earn the "cut" in his surname.
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Well, he's not trying to get cut since he's already said that he doesn't want to play anywhere else. The Bears season is done except for the final two games. So, it really doesn't make much sense to start Cutler anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they start several of their backups. I dunno, just a theory.
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Not sure why he'd want to stay there. Seems to me he'd blow half that guaranteed fortune paying somebody to start his car and taste his food. Not sure how there could be anybody more hated there right now.
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A nice breakdown of the Bear's options with Cutler (https://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-12-18/jay-cutler-contract-salary-cap-release-trade-options-bears-guaranteed-money-benched-clausen-trestman-emery).
Seems their best option (and by that I mean the least horribly devastating option) would be to cut a deal with another team for a trade, with Chicago pre-paying a good chunk of his guaranteed money. It'll be a big cap hit, but that's unavoidable now. Nothing they do will prevent a cap black hole.
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I like how he says the coach could go to management and say "it's not my fault we had a bad season. It's the QB's fault". :lol Basing that on how well Clausen plays in the last 2 games? The Bears problems go beyond just the QB. A smart coach wouldn't take that option.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2300633-steelers-are-our-only-hope-for-breaking-the-afcs-patriots-broncos-logjam
Please please please . . .
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2300633-steelers-are-our-only-hope-for-breaking-the-afcs-patriots-broncos-logjam
Please please please . . .
The Steelers are in a better position and are much more capable than the Ravens to try to knock off the Broncos or Patriots this year. But, I'd rather watch Manning or Brady win it all than see the Steelers win another playoff game.
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Two games tomorrow. Everyone have a good weekend!
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Two games tomorrow. Everyone have a good weekend!
Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for the warning.
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Well, Jim Harbaugh recently saw what winning in Oakland could be like. Tomorrow he'll be reminded of what it's like to coach on Saturdays.
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I know, I know, it's hard to resist when your alma mater throws a lot of money at you, but why would a successful NFL head coach want to take a step down and coach college ball again? Harbaugh strikes me as a pretty emotional and prideful guy, and I have to believe that a step down like that would be a tough pill for his ego to swallow.
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Enough with the serious talk Kev. I give you this glorious picture.
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Wow. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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LOL :lol LOL
I'll also LMFAO if the Redskins win this game.
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It's astonishing how gutless football coaches are sometimes. There was no reason for the Eagles to not let Washington score with a minute left and two timeouts, but instead, you let the Redskins drain the clock and hit a chip shot for the win. Even more amazing that an aggressive coach like Chip Kelly would be that gutless.
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It's astonishing how gutless football coaches are sometimes. There was no reason for the Eagles to not let Washington score with a minute left and two timeouts, but instead, you let the Redskins drain the clock and hit a chip shot for the win. Even more amazing that an aggressive coach like Chip Kelly would be that gutless.
Yeah, the SKY commentators were debating that. I agree with you. Their expert agreed with Chip Kelly. A third timeout would have changed the equation, but with only two they couldn't stop enough clock to give them a shot.
Anyway, always a pleasure to watch Phili choke.
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It's all a matter of playing the percentages. You have a better shot of getting a touchdown in about 50 seconds with two timeouts than you do of the other team's kicker missing a chip shot. Belichick would have let them score. :lol :lol
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Oddly enough, the Eagles still aren't mathematically eliminated yet. They'll be counting on a Dallas loss to the Colts tomorrow. Those are still pretty good odds considering Dallas' record at home.
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Right, but now they need Dallas to lose both of their games to have a shot, just not tomorrow.
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It's all a matter of playing the percentages. You have a better shot of getting a touchdown in about 50 seconds with two timeouts than you do of the other team's kicker missing a chip shot. Belichick would have let them score. :lol :lol
Of course. The funny part is that Belichick would have refused to score had he been Washington. I'm still waiting to see Bizarro football sometime.
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It goes without saying that Belichick, because of all of his success, has more rope to making daring coaching decisions - most coaches wouldn't have had the balls to go for that 4th down at their 29-yard line in that Indy/NE game back in 2009 - but it just seems like so many coaches coach scared, like they are afraid to make a ballsy coaching decision that they think could cost them their job if it doesn't pan out. As someone who lives in St. Louis, say what you want about Mike Martz, but at least he had balls the size of church bells.
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It was obvious that the Pats couldn't stop Peyton towards the end of that game so it was a good call just poor execution by the players.
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Eagles are the underachievers of the year.
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Goodell says he will not support a team moving to L.A. What a surprise. :censored prick.
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Does California really need possibly 4 teams?
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Does California really need possibly 4 teams?
That. NFL is comparatively small potatoes in that town after Lakers/Dodgers/USC. I'd MUCH rather see a grateful small market get a team than an entitled megalopolis of fairweathers. I say send the Jets there. N.Y. still has a team and L.A. can prove they really are grateful by rooting for a team bereft of legitimate glitz.
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Philip Rivers is a madman!
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I would argue that USC is only popular here because there is no NFL team. That just shows how many football fans are in L.A. San Diego's college team has half the crowd the Chargers have.
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That's the difference you think of when comparing USC vs San Diego universities? Success couldn't possibly matter for fan interest, right?
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Goodell says he will not support a team moving to L.A. What a surprise. :censored prick.
Wow.... before you blow up on someone for saying something that they clearly didn't say... you should probably read up on it.
https://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/12056126/roger-goodell-tells-teams-nfl-approve-los-angeles-relocation-2015-season
On top of that...... the 32 owners vote on relocation. It's not Goodell's call.
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That's the difference you think of when comparing USC vs San Diego universities? Success couldn't possibly matter for fan interest, right?
Exactly.
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I honestly don't want to see a relocation. I'd rather seen an expansion, a new team added in LA and maybe another city in the US or canada.
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I honestly don't want to see a relocation. I'd rather seen an expansion, a new team added in LA and maybe another city in the US or canada.
The relocation that makes the most sense to me would be to move the Raiders back to L.A. People in the bay area can all just be 49er fans (and probably be better off for it :biggrin: )
32 teams works really well right now, with how the divisions and schedule is set up. Also, look at the shortage of actual starting QBs in the league. I would be weary about expansion.
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I don't want to see any more teams added; 32 is enough.
And LA has never been a great sports town, unless celebrities flocking to Lakers games left and right so they can be seen makes it a great sports town.
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I hate the idea of moving the Raiders out of Oakland. There's just way too much history there. Them moving to LA in the first place was an abomination.
Now, the Rams moving back to LA would make more sense to me.
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That's the difference you think of when comparing USC vs San Diego universities? Success couldn't possibly matter for fan interest, right?
Then Fox Sports 1 quoted it wrong. That's what I saw.
I know success has a factor, but they've had 20 years to build up a fan base, where the Chargers have mostly been in SD the whole time. If there was a choice between NFL and college, wouldn't the majority choose NFL?
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Anywho... back to the actual teams with actual games.
Today is dripping with playoff implications! The Ravens control their own destiny, and that's all I can hope for.
Hope that the Cardinals beat the Seahawks..... nothing against Seattle... but they've been all but crowned the #1 seed. Would love to see the Cardinals pull this off. If they do... Arians is coach of the year.
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I hope Harbaugh goes to the Raiders. Enough with these damn rookie coaches!
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Screw L.A. getting a team. They have had teams before. If a team relocates there AGAIN, it will fail again.
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Anywho... back to the actual teams with actual games.
The Ravens control their own destiny, and that's all I can hope for.
(https://www.silverdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bitcoin-gone.jpg)
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Colts do a fake punt/pass on their own 19 YL in the 1st Qtr and the guy drops it? Wow! Thanks. :tup
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They should of had that. That was gutsy, and I like that they took that chance.
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Dumb question: why do the Cowboys wear white at home and not their colors? Same for Dolphins.
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Dumb question: why do the Cowboys wear white at home and not their colors? Same for Dolphins.
Their dark uniforms are cursed as fuqq. They never win when they wear them, as good as they look.
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Well, the Panthers won and the Saints lost. We have our chance for the playoffs next week against the Falcons. What a crazy season it's been.
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They should of had that. That was gutsy, and I like that they took that chance.
Yeah, I liked it too. :biggrin:
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Well, the Panthers won and the Saints lost. We have our chance for the playoffs next week against the Falcons. What a crazy season it's been.
Tell me about it.
Boy as usual the Pats squeaked by the Jets. Puts the pressure back on Denver. Bills are turning into a damn good team. Scary last game for the #1 seed.
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Boy as usual the Pats squeaked by the Jets. Puts the pressure back on Denver. Bills are turning into a damn good team. Scary last game for the #1 seed.
I know the Patriots don't do game balls, but Dont'a Hightower damn sure deserves one. That sack probably won them the game.
This whole DeMarco Murray thing is beyond idiotic. Even if you think he will play, why promote it all week? Let the Colts gameplan for scrub running backs. The opposite applies, as well. Make it clear that he will play, then last minute scratch him. Either way, the dude shouldn't be playing at all. The Cowobys line will have it's way with Indi regardless of who plays and how the Colts gameplan, and they're gonna need DM going forward. Add to that, they're dominating the game bigtime, and Murray is still playing. These people really don't have a clue.
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Hightower had turned into the beast we all knew he was in College. Glad to see the progression.
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Really stupid fighting going on in the Giants-Rams game. Come on, guys.
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Really stupid fighting going on in the Giants-Rams game. Come on, guys.
Typical crap from a Greg Williams-coached defense.
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Dumb question: why do the Cowboys wear white at home and not their colors? Same for Dolphins.
Their dark uniforms are cursed as fuqq. They never win when they wear them, as good as they look.
That's the reason?? Can't be. Do they have to file for an exception or something? The NFL seems to have pretty strict uniform rules.
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Dumb question: why do the Cowboys wear white at home and not their colors? Same for Dolphins.
Their dark uniforms are cursed as fuqq. They never win when they wear them, as good as they look.
That's the reason?? Can't be. Do they have to file for an exception or something? The NFL seems to have pretty strict uniform rules.
The "strict rule" IIRC is that home team gets to choose. Most teams choose their colors...but Dallas just thinks their white uniforms are cooler, and by choosing them at home, and most other teams choosing their colors on the road, Dallas ends up wearing white most of the time.
It is an urban legend that the blue uniforms are "cursed" because I believe they do have a history of not playing well in them... But then again, atheletes are a superstitious bunch. :loser:
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Yeah, the blue uniform curse was a real thing 20 years ago. I think they're over that, though. Like JD said it's mostly that the white unis are the norm for them and always have been. I can tell you that after 40 years it still seems odd to see them in the dark blues; just doesn't look right.
And God damn are they beating up on the Colts.
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Hightower had turned into the beast we all knew he was in College. Glad to see the progression.
Sure would be nice if Easley would try something like that. Dude's been a complete ghost.
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Yeah, the blue uniform curse was a real thing 20 years ago. I think they're over that, though. Like JD said it's mostly that the white unis are the norm for them and always have been. I can tell you that after 40 years it still seems odd to see them in the dark blues; just doesn't look right.
I like the Blues. And the Dolphin's Green for that matter.
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Well, the Panthers won and the Saints lost. We have our chance for the playoffs next week against the Falcons. What a crazy season it's been.
Tell me about it.
Boy as usual the Pats squeaked by the Jets. Puts the pressure back on Denver. Bills are turning into a damn good team. Scary last game for the #1 seed.
I love how the Steelers get crapped on for losing to the Jets by 1 score, but the Greatest Team In History beats them by 1 point and they get complimented for it. :huh: :lol
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Sounds like some Patriot Envy right there! :P
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Now they've pulled Luck. Wow... I mean, even if Luck has had a bad game, I don't know that I've ever seen a really great QB get pulled from a game even if he is having a bad game and getting blown out. But my memory is not so good...so...
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Now they've pulled Luck. Wow... I mean, even if Luck has had a bad game, I don't know that I've ever seen a really great QB get pulled from a game even if he is having a bad game and getting blown out. But my memory is not so good...so...
Why keep him in and risk getting him injured for a game they can't win? The playoffs are just around the corner, and they're already secured a spot, better to play it safe than have your star qb get injured and now you're completely mcfucked.
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Hightower had turned into the beast we all knew he was in College. Glad to see the progression.
Sure would be nice if Easley would try something like that. Dude's been a complete ghost.
Well I hope he takes the Hightower path because he didn't impress all too well in his first 2 seasons
Well, the Panthers won and the Saints lost. We have our chance for the playoffs next week against the Falcons. What a crazy season it's been.
Tell me about it.
Boy as usual the Pats squeaked by the Jets. Puts the pressure back on Denver. Bills are turning into a damn good team. Scary last game for the #1 seed.
I love how the Steelers get crapped on for losing to the Jets by 1 score, but the Greatest Team In History beats them by 1 point and they get complimented for it. :huh: :lol
Hey if only I could control the media! :lol
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Who was praising the Pats? They played like ass today.
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The Chiefs have played 15 games this season, and their entire WR corps has not caught an TD pass all season. All the TD passes have gone to other positions. There is your bizarro football world fact of the day.
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Now they've pulled Luck. Wow... I mean, even if Luck has had a bad game, I don't know that I've ever seen a really great QB get pulled from a game even if he is having a bad game and getting blown out. But my memory is not so good...so...
Why keep him in and risk getting him injured for a game they can't win? The playoffs are just around the corner, and they're already secured a spot, better to play it safe than have your star qb get injured and now you're completely mcfucked.
This. Standard procedure pretty much if it isn't a "must win" situation.
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The Chiefs have played 15 games this season, and their entire WR corps has not caught an TD pass all season. All the TD passes have gone to other positions. There is your bizarro football world fact of the day.
That's just freaky, not just from a redzone stance, but you'd think every team sees a play once or twice a year when a corner falls down, a safety misses a tackle, and a regular catch ends up going to a touchdown.
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Bills seriously need to fire Nathan Hackett. What a lousy excuse of an Offensive Coordinator. I'm disgusted.
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Now they've pulled Luck. Wow... I mean, even if Luck has had a bad game, I don't know that I've ever seen a really great QB get pulled from a game even if he is having a bad game and getting blown out. But my memory is not so good...so...
Why keep him in and risk getting him injured for a game they can't win? The playoffs are just around the corner, and they're already secured a spot, better to play it safe than have your star qb get injured and now you're completely mcfucked.
This. Standard procedure pretty much if it isn't a "must win" situation.
Agreed. The Colts are guaranteed a home playoff game, and couldn't overtake New England or Denver for a 1st round bye... so yeah, absolutely nothing to play for. Not worth the risk of injury.
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Indy had the 3 seed to play for, but once they fell way behind, yeah, it was smart to pull Luck.
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New drinking game: when watching football, you have to take a drink every time a dumb ass kickoff returner tries to return a kick that he caught in the end zone and doesn't make it back to at least the 20. You'll be drunk by halftime of most early games. :lol :lol
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New drinking game: when watching football, you have to take a drink every time a dumb ass kickoff returner tries to return a kick that he caught in the end zone and doesn't make it back to at least the 20. You'll be drunk by halftime of most early games. :lol :lol
That shit drives me insane, like take the 20 fucking yards, you're just embarrassing yourself most of the time otherwise.
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Sometimes (depending on the sitch) I'm just as annoyed by a fair catch at the 5 yd line. I mean, at that point, don't you just let it go and hope it goes into the end zone? At least that's a chance...
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Ah....I see someone told the Seahawks punt returner the same thing after the last one.
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Why are Michaels and Collinsworth still sticking to the "Lynch had an upset stomach" fake story? It's pretty obvious that he was benched for the first quarter for something. The fact that he came in at the start of the second and has played since makes that more than obvious.
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What else do they have to go on? I mean...that is the official story from the Seahawk sideline. I don't think we have solid reasons to believe that Lynch isn't feeling well tonight.
EDIT: I worded that badly. I mean we have no solid basis for believing the story is false.
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BEAST MODE BABY!!! :metal
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The Cards QB situation doesn't give them a snowball's chance in Phoenix of getting to the SB. Much less winning the SB.
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Yep, they had no shot tonight.
Also, I still think Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck. What Wilson does just throwing the ball, to a receiving corps that is pretty mediocre, is pretty amazing.
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I'm not sure if I should start a new thread...but let's try it here first.
Wilson is incredibly smart, has an AMAZING work ethic, has tons of charisma, and excellent leadership skills. But interestingly enough, I'm not sure he's what I would call "a great quarterback".
I think his own analogy is best. He has referred to himself as a "point guard" and feels that his job is NOT to put up numbers, but instead to "distribute the ball". My question is this. Do you think that being a "field general" is more imporatant than being "a great quarterback" (meaning someone with incredible passing skills...ala Peyton Manning)?
I mean, if you're picking out your fantasy team, it might be easy to say you'd take Manning every time. But what if *instead*, you could have a guy who just did his job well, inspired his team mates, and was a natural born "leader"....though he will never put up HOF numbers.
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Well, there's a lot more to being a great QB than just putting up numbers. If RW keeps doing what he's doing, the numbers will be there. He's got a lot of years ahead of him. I definitely consider him to be a great QB.
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Lynch's 79 yard run:
https://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Marshawn-goes-BEASTMODE-79-yard-TD/99a0b07c-6e09-4e21-8c1e-bfeda54c2706
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Going back to last page, the reason the Cowboys wear white at home is because their former owner thought it'd be more visually appealing for the fans to see new jersey colors every game instead of blue for the boys and white for the visitor every game.
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And for Miami, it may be because lighter colors are not as hot to play in
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Wow, if that's the Seahawks, then Game Over Man.
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Aside from the suckiness of the NFC South, this has shaped out to be a really good season competition wise. Assuming Denver wins tonight pretty much everything is still up in the air going into week 17. Not sure if any teams will be in a position to rest players, which seems pretty unusual to me. There are also some weird situations like GB/Det, where the winner and loser will wind up #6 and #1. Odd as it is that strikes me as the result of a damned competitive conference.
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There are also some weird situations like GB/Det, where the winner and loser will wind up #6 and #1. Odd as it is that strikes me as the result of a damned competitive conference.
It also ensures a competitive game where both teams are exerting maximum effort to try to win. If the stakes were that the loser got #2, for example, there might not be as much incentive to play hard and try to win as there is with the loser getting #6.
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Aside from the suckiness of the NFC South, this has shaped out to be a really good season competition wise. Assuming Denver wins tonight pretty much everything is still up in the air going into week 17. Not sure if any teams will be in a position to rest players, which seems pretty unusual to me. There are also some weird situations like GB/Det, where the winner and loser will wind up #6 and #1. Odd as it is that strikes me as the result of a damned competitive conference.
If the Seahawks win, it will be #6 and #2.
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I want to see the Lions have success... I really do... but dirty play after dirty play gives me pause.
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Well, there's a lot more to being a great QB than just putting up numbers. If RW keeps doing what he's doing, the numbers will be there. He's got a lot of years ahead of him. I definitely consider him to be a great QB.
Honestly, I'd have to question the football sense of anyone who actually watches games and doesn't think he's a great QB. The guy is an unbelievable play maker, he doesn't turn the ball over, and he does put up great numbers (look at how great his YPA has been every year).
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I do think the Broncos are running a vanilla offense, cause they have almost nothing to play for (since getting the 1 seed is practically impossible now since NE ain't gonna lose at home next week to Buffalo), but Peyton Manning is not healthy. He hasn't looked right since the Rams game, where he took a pounding. The first round bye will help, but at 38, Father Time could be finally winning. :( :(
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I think my point in drawing the contrast to Manning, is that even if Manning were to only get the one ring he already has, he's a shoe in for the HOF in his first season of eligibility. However, someone like Wilson would probably have to win several rings before they were considered. If, for instance, the Hawks spend the next 7 years always getting really close but never repeating, Wilson may not even be considered for induction. Whereas if the Seahawks become a dynasty, he would be looked at as a canidate much closer, even if he only has a couple of 300 yd games per season.
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Thus far, Wilson is nowhere near a HOF player, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Well yeah, cause he's got at least 10-12 years to go in his career. No sense in talking about it at this point. I'll say this though, he's off to a hell of a good start.
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And he has A LOT to accomplish in that time before he is anywhere near HOF consideration. Thus far, he is not looking like he is on that road to me.
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Thus far, Wilson is nowhere near a HOF player, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
My exact words were that if the Seahawks never repeat (several times in fact...a feat that doesn't seem incredibly likely), he would never be considered. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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And I'm saying that whether they repeat or not, Wilson doesn't look like a HOF player. At least, not now. That's all.
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Well yeah, cause he's got at least 10-12 years to go in his career. No sense in talking about it at this point. I'll say this though, he's off to a hell of a good start.
Yep. If he keep this up, he'll make it. He is already one of the five best quarterbacks in the league and looks like he'll be a top one for a long time. He's athletic, smart, a great team player, and a great decision maker. He has everything you'd want in a quarterback.
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Ok....but I think we're talking past each other. I'm agreeing with you, but not in the way that you think.
My point is this. Let's take a hypothetical scenario where Wilson NEVER puts up record numbers....ever. In fact, let's say that 15 years from now, he never once led the league in passing, always was in the middle of the pack every season in all his stats. BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, he becomes legendary for his leadership skills and the way that he led his team to and won 4 Super Bowls. In your opinion, should a QB of that sort (let's pretend that it's not Wilson...your hated rival... ;) but someone else entirely)...should someone like that still be considered? What if they become an icon in spite of the fact they never had stats?
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Ok....but I think we're talking past each other. I'm agreeing with you, but not in the way that you think.
My point is this. Let's take a hypothetical scenario where Wilson NEVER puts up record numbers....ever. In fact, let's say that 15 years from now, he never once led the league in passing, always was in the middle of the pack every season in all his stats. BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, he becomes legendary for his leadership skills and the way that he led his team to and won 4 Super Bowls. In your opinion, should a QB of that sort (let's pretend that it's not Wilson...you hated rival... ;) but someone else entirely)...should someone like that still be considered? What if they become an icon in spite of the fact they never had stats?
Yep, he'd make it. And he has already risen above being middle of the pack every season in stats:
-Top 5 in YPA in his first two seasons
-Top 10 in passing TDs in his first two seasons
-Top 3 in passing TD percentage in his first two seasons
And consider this: he is 15th in the NFL this season...in rushing. With a 7.5 YPC average. That is flat-out sick.
No, he's not gonna lead the league in touchdowns or yards, cause they don't throw it enough for him to do so, but it's pretty obvious that he could put up numbers with the best of them in you put him in a pass-happy offense with good weapons.
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You make some good points Kev. Though he won't be running forever (hopefully...running QB's tend not to last very long once their knees give). The YPA and TD passes are good things to consider.
I think the #1 thing he does right is that he very rarely (if ever) makes a mistake. I'm not sure I've seen a QB who was this studious about the game since Joe Montana.
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My point is this. Let's take a hypothetical scenario where Wilson NEVER puts up record numbers....ever. In fact, let's say that 15 years from now, he never once led the league in passing, always was in the middle of the pack every season in all his stats. BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, he becomes legendary for his leadership skills and the way that he led his team to and won 4 Super Bowls.
Not sure. If, like last year, they somehow win 4 Super Bowls despite him, I'm not sure how that shakes out. On one hand, it's not him. On the other hand, 4 rings is near impossible to ignore. And if the common denominator in the equation is the same guy being behind center, it's tough to argue that that guy didn't play a strong role in that. But I can't think of a team that has ever won 3 or 4 rings with a Wilson-caliber "good" QB either, so it's hard to say how that will all shake out.
let's pretend that it's not Wilson...your hated rival...
Him being a Seahawk and/or a class-A jerk have nothing to do with it. I watch him play, and I don't think to myself "HOF-caliber QB." I think, "Yeah, he's a pretty good QB."
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My point is this. Let's take a hypothetical scenario where Wilson NEVER puts up record numbers....ever. In fact, let's say that 15 years from now, he never once led the league in passing, always was in the middle of the pack every season in all his stats. BUT IN SPITE OF THAT, he becomes legendary for his leadership skills and the way that he led his team to and won 4 Super Bowls.
Not sure. If, like last year, they somehow win 4 Super Bowls despite him, I'm not sure how that shakes out. On one hand, it's not him. On the other hand, 4 rings is near impossible to ignore. And if the common denominator in the equation is the same guy being behind center, it's tough to argue that that guy didn't play a strong role in that. But I can't think of a team that has ever won 3 or 4 rings with a Wilson-caliber "good" QB either, so it's hard to say how that will all shake out.
let's pretend that it's not Wilson...your hated rival...
Him being a Seahawk and/or a class-A jerk have nothing to do with it. I watch him play, and I don't think to myself "HOF-caliber QB." I think, "Yeah, he's a pretty good QB."
Can't tell if you're actually insinuating that he's a jerk or not, and if you're not, I'm not sure why you'd even include that in your post ???
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Ya, that kinda came out of left field. Sherman is one I wouldn't argue with...but Wilson has an all around reputation of being a really nice guy. Not sure how this impression would have come across. I wouldn't argue it with about half of the Seahawks...I could even see how someone would view Lynch as a complete jerk (though I wouldn't agree, I could see it)...but Wilson? It's like calling Tom Hanks an a-hole....who does that?
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Because Jammin is asking that I divorce my personal feelings toward the man and the team from my reasoning. So I am explaining that, yes, even if you remove the fact that he is a Seahawk (which does not, and should not, play into my thought process) or the fact that he comes across as a royal idiot (which similarly does not come into play), my thought process is the same. I didn't think it was that hard to see where I was coming from, but sorry if it wasn't clear or seemed random.
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Since when has Wilson been classified in that way?
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I don't think Wilson comes across that way to 99.9999% of the population.
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Since when has Wilson been classified in that way?
That seems like a silly question and a bit of a red herring. Couldn't give you a "start date." And, in fairness, he seemed like a good kid in the beginning. But the persona he has manifested for at least the last year or so seems to indicate that he isn't who we thought he was at all. But steering back toward the topic that was being discussed, the problem is, that is true of a LOT of professional athletes. And should THAT be a consideration as to whether they are HOF-caliber players? Unless you are talking about serious misconduct (and even that is debatable among many--see, e.g., Barry Bonds HOF debates), that shouldn't really come into play, as I emphasized initially.
I don't think Wilson comes across that way to 99.9999% of the population.
Well, despite that you are a smart, articulate, generally well-informed guy, I'm not sure you can speak for 99.9999% of the population. And even if you could, I'm not sure the vast majority of that population who are outside of the NFC West market who do not regularly see/hear about him would know enough to comment intelligently, to be honest. Unless you are someone like Peyton, Brady, Manziel, Rice, who for good or for bad are regularly in the national news, you probably aren't going to have much info on a player off the field. But, again, we're going a bit off the topic, aren't we?
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Well...on another note.
A shocker happening in Cincinnati right now...
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Well...on another note.
A shocker happening in Cincinnati right now...
No joke. :(
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But the persona he has manifested for at least the last year or so seems to indicate that he isn't who we thought he was at all.
(https://i.imgur.com/9FulDW5.jpg)
I have never heard anything bad about the guy. Ever.
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*sigh* Okay, look, as I mentioned to Kev, since you are not in the same market, you most likely aren't really exposed to much if any of his off-the-field conduct, just as I, for example, can't really speak to the character of any player who plays for the Buffalo Bills as someone in an area where I can't recall seeing even a single Bills game broadcast and haven't seen any reporting on any Bills player that I can recall. But again, MORE IMPORTANTLY, there is no need to fixate on a single tangential detail in my post and ignore the larger point. The bigger point is simply that, as I am sure most of us would agree, the particular team a player plays for, and/or the player's personal character, should almost never be part of the HOF worthiness discussion. That's pretty much all I was trying to say in responding to Jammin's point.
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As soon as I saw that the Broncos were down and playing in a downpour, I knew Peyton was fucked. :lol
Peyton is an all-time great, but never before has such an all-time great consistently folded under pressure.
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What a wonderful time for Peyton to choke.
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Really super doubtful...but it's kinda weird to think that if the Raiders were to upset Denver next week, and Cincy beats Pit??? The Bengals would have a #2 seed and a bye!!
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Peyton is an all-time great, but never before has such an all-time great consistently folded under pressure.
That is completely untrue.
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Ya...even though Elway finally ended up winning one (two?) he was notorious for folding when it came down THE big game. In fact, he and Manning are very similar. Both were well known for their consistent comebacks, and at the same time, had a reputation for folding when it got to the most important games. (like late playoff or Super Bowls)
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Interesting stat regarding the polar opposite win/loss records of Dallas and Denver.
Dallas: 4-4 home, 7-0 road
Denver: 7-0 home, 4-4 road
I wonder who would win if Dallas were to play in Denver next week or Denver in Dallas? Maybe a tie? :lol
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Whelp, this season was actually really fun to watch, and really promising, up until about a week ago.
Jesus Christ Eagles...please spend this off-season trying to obtain an actual, good QB. Please.
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Yay Cincy! Gave my tix away tonight. Mrs. Vox had a migraine and I've been fighting a cold all day. Stayed warm and dry at home instead. Hope they carry that momentum through to the Stillers on Sunday and into the playoffs! Who-Dey?!
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Ya...even though Elway finally ended up winning one (two?) he was notorious for folding when it came down THE big game. In fact, he and Manning are very similar. Both were well known for their consistent comebacks, and at the same time, had a reputation for folding when it got to the most important games. (like late playoff or Super Bowls)
Yeah, exactly. As soon as I saw Peyton was going to have to throw his way out of the hole in a downpour, I knew the Bengal's had it.
Real cracks showing in his play this year. He's still great, but he's had several not great games. Of course, this is the first year the Broncos hadn't had a Charmin Ultrosoft schedule since Peyton joined. They've played several teams in the regular season this year which were
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Ya...even though Elway finally ended up winning one (two?) he was notorious for folding when it came down THE big game. In fact, he and Manning are very similar. Both were well known for their consistent comebacks, and at the same time, had a reputation for folding when it got to the most important games. (like late playoff or Super Bowls)
That was also a false narrative, same as it is with Manning. Prior to 1997, the year he got to the Super Bowl he won (his first of two), he had been to three Super Bowls. You don't get to three Super Bowls by not playing well in a lot of big games.
Real cracks showing in his play this year. He's still great, but he's had several not great games. Of course, this is the first year the Broncos hadn't had a Charmin Ultrosoft schedule since Peyton joined. They've played several teams in the regular season this year which were
More untrue nonsense.
Every single QB in the NFL this year has has several not great games.
The Broncos did not have soft schedules in '12 and '13.
But feel free to keep up your "I'll ignore it when Peyton plays well, which is most of the time, but dog him when he doesn't" rhetoric. I'm sure you'll be one of the loudmouths in here if/when the Broncos lose in the postseason. Keep it up. :lol :lol
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RE: Elway...
That's what I meant. After losing three straight Super Bowls, there was much talk that in spite of all his talent, he always choked when it came to the big game. I remember most people felt he would never win a Super Bowl after he blew the third one.
And again...I'm only relating what was the talk at the time. He had a reputation of choking in the Super Bowl in spite of being the "comeback kid" in every other situation.
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I am just surprised that Cincy finally played well in the lights of prime time. Just when you think they are going to make the next step, they lose a game that playoff teams need to win. they finally did that last night.
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Ya...even though Elway finally ended up winning one (two?) he was notorious for folding when it came down THE big game. In fact, he and Manning are very similar. Both were well known for their consistent comebacks, and at the same time, had a reputation for folding when it got to the most important games. (like late playoff or Super Bowls)
That was also a false narrative, same as it is with Manning. Prior to 1997, the year he got to the Super Bowl he won (his first of two), he had been to three Super Bowls. You don't get to three Super Bowls by not playing well in a lot of big games.
Real cracks showing in his play this year. He's still great, but he's had several not great games. Of course, this is the first year the Broncos hadn't had a Charmin Ultrosoft schedule since Peyton joined. They've played several teams in the regular season this year which were
More untrue nonsense.
Every single QB in the NFL this year has has several not great games.
The Broncos did not have soft schedules in '12 and '13.
But feel free to keep up your "I'll ignore it when Peyton plays well, which is most of the time, but dog him when he doesn't" rhetoric. I'm sure you'll be one of the loudmouths in here if/when the Broncos lose in the postseason. Keep it up. :lol :lol
A lot of fans just can't get past labeling players "chokers" or "winners". We all know Luis Sojo is a "winner" because he got 3 or 4 rings with the Yankees. ::)
According to opponent-adjusted stats, Manning was still the best QB in the league as of last week (he might fall to #2 after last night):
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
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It'll be so awesome if Seattle repeats
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Hef, can you give us a tie in Atlanta this weekend, because that would be awesome. Thanks.
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Here's what I've got for the playoffs (yeah, I did at tie between Carolina and Atlanta just for fun, but assuming Carolina wins or ties, it does not alter the standings):
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In the NFC, it seems like a fairly safe bet that Seattle would move on to Dallas and Carolina to Green Bay (with Arizona's injuries, I don't see them winning another game). Seattle/Dallas is tough to call. But I think GB makes it to the championship.
The AFC is much tougher to call. Who knows who wins those first round games? And even after that, are the #1 and #2 seeds safe? I don't think so. Should be interesting to watch.
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Hef, can you give us a tie in Atlanta this weekend, because that would be awesome. Thanks.
No.
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You seriously have Seattle losing at home to the Rams?
I love you, Bosk....I really do. But objectivity is not one of your strongest suits. :lol
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:lol Yeah, I know. I expect Seattle to win, but the Rams are one of a handful of teams that I believe are fully capable of pulling off an upset in Seattle right now, and I would not be the least bit shocked to see them do it. The Rams play SF and Seattle tough. They just do. And they beat Seattle once this year already. And the 49ers, as beat up as they are, almost did it in Seattle last week. Objectively speaking, you have to admit that the Rams have a decent shot.
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From what I remember of the last 49'ers vs Seahawks game, while the score wasn't incredibly skewed, the Seahawks had control pretty much the entire game.
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I do think the Hawks were possibly guilty of "looking past" the Rams last time. After the last upset, they will be much more prepared this time. And at home? Ya...I think the Rams' chances are pretty slim.
I would actually be more worried if we HAD beaten the Rams already, but then again, if we had the extra win, I'm not sure we'd have anything to play for.
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From what I remember of the last 49'ers vs Seahawks game, while the score wasn't incredibly skewed, the Seahawks had control pretty much the entire game.
Don't let your anti-SF bias cloud your memory. The 49ers were leading at the half. And even though they took a 3 point lead in the 3rd quarter, the 49ers had them stopped cold for a huge loss on 3rd down before Hochuli made that horrible roughing the passer call that led to a first down and the resulting eventual winning touchdown.
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I do think the Hawks were possibly guilty of "looking past" the Rams last time. After the last upset, they will be much more prepared this time. And at home? Ya...I think the Rams' chances are pretty slim.
I would actually be more worried if we HAD beaten the Rams already, but then again, if we had the extra win, I'm not sure we'd have anything to play for.
Maybe. But, again, the Rams just play them tough even when you wouldn't think they would be able to. I like their chances.
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More untrue nonsense.
Every single QB in the NFL this year has has several not great games.
The Broncos did not have soft schedules in '12 and '13.
But feel free to keep up your "I'll ignore it when Peyton plays well, which is most of the time, but dog him when he doesn't" rhetoric. I'm sure you'll be one of the loudmouths in here if/when the Broncos lose in the postseason. Keep it up. :lol :lol
I really don't care for the smarm and namecalling, dude.
Of course Peyton is one of the best. Not THE best, in my opinion, and not even the best of his class - but still an all-time great.
If you feel like addressing my post rather than simply contradicting it with some insults, words in my mouth, and smartass smilies, go ahead. I'll try to respond
:lol :lol :lol
As it stands, sure, I like Peyton, but I think his more recent reputation for not playing at his best in big games is mostly deserved. Plenty of people with more real football knowledge than you or me have said the same types of things.
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More untrue nonsense.
Every single QB in the NFL this year has has several not great games.
The Broncos did not have soft schedules in '12 and '13.
But feel free to keep up your "I'll ignore it when Peyton plays well, which is most of the time, but dog him when he doesn't" rhetoric. I'm sure you'll be one of the loudmouths in here if/when the Broncos lose in the postseason. Keep it up. :lol :lol
I really don't care for the smarm and namecalling, dude.
Of course Peyton is one of the best. Not THE best, in my opinion, and not even the best of his class - but still an all-time great.
If you feel like addressing my post rather than simply contradicting it with some insults, words in my mouth, and smartass smilies, go ahead. I'll try to respond
:lol :lol :lol
As it stands, sure, I like Peyton, but I think his more recent reputation for not playing at his best in big games is mostly deserved. Plenty of people with more real football knowledge than you or me have said the same types of things.
I agree with Manning's well established and well deserved reputation being what it is.
You might be wasting your time with this one... :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin
On another note.... the IR just welcomed it's 18th Raven this year. Dems the breaks.
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Not sure if anyone will be able to watch this (it's only posted on KIRO's FB page), but this is Steve Raible (the radio voice of the Seahawks) taking a minute to talk about Marshawn Lynch and how sick he was going into game time. I know there were doubters...but I feel that the official story is legit. It makes it that much more amazing that he ran the way he did on that play.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=908916115794809
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Still not buying it. I think it's easy to talk that story up to make Lynch seem even more beastly - "OMG, he pulled off that run despite being sick!" - but the fact that he looked fine on the sideline, was eating Skittles, and came in at the start of the 2nd quarter, to me, is a clear indication that he was benched for the 1st quarter for something we'll probably not find out about for a while, or maybe even never.
Anyway...
Post-Week 15 Top 10 Power Rankings
1. Seattle - Their best is better than everybody's else best...by a lot.
2. New England - The clear top team in the AFC, but will they blow it at home for the 4th time in six years?
3. Dallas - I'm giving them the nod over GB at the moment because they play better on the road and run the ball better.
4. Green Bay - Take away Aaron Rodgers and this is a 5-11 team.
5. Denver - Suddenly, the D is a concern, and if Peyton Manning is healthy, they need to stop this nonsense of trying to run it all day. That's not who they are.
6. Cincinnati - I'll give them their props: big win last night.
7. Pittsburgh - They've really come around after having some awful losses early on.
8. Indianapolis - Similar to GB and Rodgers, take away Luck and this team doesn't sniff the postseason.
9. Arizona - I called this slide a month ago. Losing their 2nd string QB sure didn't help, but I don't think they beat Seattle this past week even if Palmer was still healthy.
10. Detroit - Can they win at Lambeau?
Also:
MVP update time!
1. Aaron Rodgers - His death grip on the trophy could loosen if the Packers lose this weekend and he doesn't play well.
2. J.J. Watt - What a shame that his season will go to a waste on a likely non-playoff team.
3. Tony Romo - Will his critics finally give him his due?
4. Andrew Luck - Slipping after last week, but his value to the Colts is more than obvious.
5. Rob Gronkowski - A healthy Gronk come playoff time for NE will make a big difference for them.
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tsk tsk....such a pessimist. ;) ;D :angel:
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Nah, more like a realist. I know what my eyes told me. Lynch looked fine, and at one point in the first quarter, he looked pouty for a few seconds, likely pissed about being benched. Lucky for them, he took it out on the Cardinals. :lol
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As long as Hackett is the OC for Buffalo, the Patriots have nothing to worry about. The Defense is there, Kyle Orton is pretty good if you ask me, and would shine with a formidable O-line. But with the ultra conservativeness of Hackett and a weak O-line, the Bills aren't quite there yet.
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Nah, more like a realist.
....dad???
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Good power rankings Kev. Nice to see Dallas and Romo in the #3 slots...for now anyway. :biggrin: :tup
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Good power rankings Kev. Nice to see Dallas and Romo in the #3 slots...for now anyway. :biggrin: :tup
I think Dallas has a real shot this year. It really payed off that they focused on improving their O-line. Aside from a few hiccup games here and there, they've looked like the real fuckin deal this year.
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Nah, more like a realist. I know what my eyes told me. Lynch looked fine, and at one point in the first quarter, he looked pouty for a few seconds, likely pissed about being benched. Lucky for them, he took it out on the Cardinals. :lol
Maybe they wanted to see how'd the offense would be if worse comes to worse.
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As long as Hackett is the OC for Buffalo, the Patriots have nothing to worry about. The Defense is there, Kyle Orton is pretty good if you ask me, and would shine with a formidable O-line. But with the ultra conservativeness of Hackett and a weak O-line, the Bills aren't quite there yet.
I don't think you'll see a full game with the starters DC for the Pats. With the #1 seed locked they'll hold out Endelman and Connolly and sit the started some time in the second half.
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I know I'm a homer, but Big Ben has similar weapons to Romo (Brown-Bryant, Bell-Murray) but Romo has the top O-Line in football in front of him. I think Ben is in the MVP discussion although I know he won't win it.
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Good power rankings Kev. Nice to see Dallas and Romo in the #3 slots...for now anyway. :biggrin: :tup
I think Dallas has a real shot this year. It really payed off that they focused on improving their O-line. Aside from a few hiccup games here and there, they've looked like the real fuckin deal this year.
Yeah, the offense is definitely up there with the best of em. Defense is still a little shaky but improving. They do have a shot but so do a lot of other teams. It's a tough league. It wouldn't surprise me if Carolina made a good run. The playoffs are a funny thing. Should be very exciting whatever the outcome may be. :biggrin:
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I know I'm a homer, but Big Ben has similar weapons to Romo (Brown-Bryant, Bell-Murray) but Romo has the top O-Line in football in front of him. I think Ben is in the MVP discussion although I know he won't win it.
I don't think he's in the discussion. Ben had the two 6-TD games, yet is still only 8th in touchdown passes. Translation: he hasn't been as consistently great as the other top QBs and those two great games really inflated his overall numbers. Being 3rd in YPA is a good argument in his favor (although he is behind Rodgers and Romo, both of whom I have in my MVP top 5).
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With a playoff spot on the line in week 17 again, the Chargers have totally lucked out again. Last year, needing a win to get again, they hosted the Chiefs, who had the 5 seed clinched and rested their starters, and still needed KC to miss a chip shot FG to get it to OT where they won the game. And this year now, Alex Smith is injured and won't play. The football gods don't always love the Chargers, but they sure have two week 17s in a row now.
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Come on, Panthers! Take advantage of the completely undeserved gift you've been given, and win today!
I think if they win, they will host the Cardinals - and that's a game I think they can win. After that, I think it will be over. If, of course, it isn't over today.
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Falcons are my 2nd favorite team. Please don't disown me father.
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Connor Shaw getting the start for Cleveland.... I like the Ravens chances of getting the win.
As for S.D. losing... Chase Daniel may not be much of a drop off from Alex Smith, so here's hoping...
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Falcons are my 2nd favorite team. Please don't disown me father.
We'll see.
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Falcons are my 2nd favorite team. Please don't disown me father.
We'll see.
(https://i.imgur.com/SH4XHek.gif)
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Hey, someone get that kid a bra! :rollin
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Dwayne Bowe is finally about to score the first TD by a Chiefs WR this season, but he fumbles near the goaline and a Tight End recovers it in the endzone for the touchdown :lol
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I love Odell Beckham and I love his fire but unfortunately when you're in a league where other athletes get butthurt incredibly easily I wish he'd tone it down because he is making himself a target.
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Beckham is ridiculous. 91-1305-12 as a rookie WR. And he missed the first four games. :eek :eek :eek
Also, it looks like the Ravens are gonna get it cause the Chargers are gonna lose. Serves them right. 4th down, your season on the line, and you give the ball to Donald Brown?? :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Bills have their first winning season in 10 years :tup
Lot of people bitching about how shit like that doesn't matter on their FB page but I think it's a good sign that the future's got some good stuff in store. Bills just need to fire the fuck out of Hackett, and follow that Dallas line of thought and acquire some strong O-line pieces and I think they can stand up and make a good shot for a good time.
Orton's not a long term solution and if EJ's turns out to be a bust we'll have to worry about getting a QB but I don't think that's the biggest priority right now as Orton's proved he's a good QB and if he stays then I think the Bills will be just fine on that front for the time being.
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So proud of the 2014 Baltimore Ravens for overcoming all of the adversity against them. There was the Ray Rice situation off the field. On the field, it was losing 18 players to the IR. It wasn't pretty, and they'll be rightful underdogs next week either in Pittsburgh or Cincy..... but 6 trips to the playoffs in 7 years? Hell of a job!
GO RAVENS!!!
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Bills have their first winning season in 10 years :tup
Lot of people bitching about how shit like that doesn't matter on their FB page but I think it's a good sign that the future's got some good stuff in store. Bills just need to fire the fuck out of Hackett, and follow that Dallas line of thought and acquire some strong O-line pieces and I think they can stand up and make a good shot for a good time.
Orton's not a long term solution and if EJ's turns out to be a bust we'll have to worry about getting a QB but I don't think that's the biggest priority right now as Orton's proved he's a good QB and if he stays then I think the Bills will be just fine on that front for the time being.
I can see both sides of the coin. If my franchise hadn't made the playoffs since the 1999 season, a winning season capped by beating a team who had nothing to play for wouldn't satisfy me in the least.
But you're right to be hopeful. The Bills are clearly a team on the rise. Hopefully they get a few more pieces, because they are headed in the right direction. I think they'll be in the playoff mix next year for sure.
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Buffalo's D is awesome, and they have playmakers on offense, but your upside in today's NFL is limited without a good starting QB, and Kyle Orton is serviceable at best.
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I don't know, I'd say Orton is more than serviceable. I think the shitty excuse for an OC that we have kind of hides our Offense's true potential. If they could just fire him and get somebody who actually knows what they're doing, things would be that much better.
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Buffalo has a lot of upside.
Man some weird games today. Looking forward to the playoffs next week.
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Panthers are eating up the Falcons right now. :metal
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Huge turn of events in Green Bay. Rodgers is out of the game after seemingly re-aggravating his calf injury. Now Matt Flynn and company need to hold on to this win so that Rodgers can get a bye week to heal up.
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What the fuck is going on in Seattle??? (Rams up 6-0 at the half).
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What the fuck is going on in Seattle??? (Rams up 6-0 at the half).
Rams always give Seattle a Really tough time.
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Not @Seattle. They haven't won there since 2004.
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Panthers just physically dominating the Falcons.
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Panthers just physically dominating the Falcons.
Looks like the Panthers will be the first team to be back to back NFC South Champions. Despite the record, the Panthers did what they had to in order to get back to the playoffs. So congrats!
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Not @Seattle. They haven't won there since 2004.
What's really fouled up is that this is the 4th time in the last five seasons that the Rams had to play at Seattle in week 17.
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Not @Seattle. They haven't won there since 2004.
What's really fouled up is that this is the 4th time in the last five seasons that the Rams had to play at Seattle in week 17.
Yeah, they should really do a better job of rotating these week 17 division games. You pointed out the S.D/K.C. thing earlier today, and the Ravens had to play the Bengals 4 years in a row, which meant that the Steelers got to have practically a Week 17 bye (I mean game vs. the Browns).
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It drives me crazy...and you guys aren't used to it because you don't watch them week in and week out...but I've been trying to tell you... The Seahawks of this era (even last year) are a 2nd half team. They almost ALWAYS look like crap in the first half. It's nerve wrecking...but it seems to work.
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Man, players like Suh do not belong in the NFL.
Brings nothing but shame to the league and the organization he plays for.
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Man, players like Suh do not belong in the NFL.
Brings nothing but shame to the league and the organization he plays for.
I agree. As much as I want to see the Lions do well.... their dirty play makes me sick.
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Can't believe they reversed that.
Don't like that call one bit.
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The six teams I picked for the AFC are locked, and if the Steelers win tonight, they will go *exactly* in the order I predicted.
I wasn't quite as close on the NFC. I underestimated the Eagles ability to choke in the clutch. :lol But I think that other than Dallas winning the East and being totally off on the winner of the South (like anyone cared about that anyway) I got the rest of the NFC right as well.
So I called 10 of the 12 teams....and most of them in order. **smug mode** :xbones
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Jeesh Jdude, when I saw you as the last post in this thread, I figured it'd be a smug post about the Seahawks.
No hawks but still smug! ;D
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That's cause the Hawks were a given.... :angel:
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If the NFL really cares about player safety, like they claim to, Suh will be suspended for multiple games, including next week's playoff game against Dallas. He's had too many dirty plays for anyone with a brain to buy that as accidental. We'll see if the NFL has a brain.
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That's cause the Hawks were a given.... :angel:
Hawks are going all the way. Not looking forward to seeing them in the Super Bowl.
Carroll against the Pats will be a great storyline. Personally I loved him when he was here.
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Seattle's D is in position to go down as one of the best ever, and given the possible match-ups, it could solidify their position.
I think most would agree that Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the best active quarterbacks of this generation.
Last year in the playoffs, Seattle's D made Brees and Manning look bad.
If they make Rodgers and Brady look bad in this year's playoffs, think about it.
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I agree.... Don't know who will actually win. That is going to be a *dogfight*. And once again, it will be a powerhouse offence against the #1 defence. Hawks/Pats. I do predict it will be much closer than the last one.
In the NFC, I think Carolina beats Arizona and Dallas will embarass the Lions. If that happens, Seattle will beat the crap out of Carolina, and Dallas will have to go to Green Bay. That will be a MUCH more watchable game, but I think the Pack will take it, and then again lose in Seattle.
Not going to do my AFC picks until the 3/5 seed is locked up. It should be interesting, but at the end of the day, it will be a Pats/Broncos championship, and that could go either way as well.
I think the two most entertaining games (pre-SB) will be the Cowboys/Packers and Pats/Broncos games.
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BTW...I will reiterate my defence of the division winner hosting a home game. I know it's not a popular one. But if it helps...it wouldn't matter anyway. Seriously. Carolina is just a BETTER team than the Cards are right now. I would pick the Panthers no matter where they were playing.
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Seattle's D is in position to go down as one of the best ever, and given the possible match-ups, it could solidify their position.
I think most would agree that Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the best active quarterbacks of this generation.
Last year in the playoffs, Seattle's D made Brees and Manning look bad.
If they make Rodgers and Brady look bad in this year's playoffs, think about it.
Any fan of those teams the great QB's are on should pray not to play the Seahawks.
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Is Dalton always this bad? I mean...I don't watch the Bengals play that often (playoffs...probably a bad test pool in his case), but every time I watch him play he just plays like he is never on the same page as the rest of his team AT ALL. I find myself wondering how he gets such high praise (and stats).
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He's either hot as molten iron or as limp as Donald Trump's dick. Way too unpredictable.
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Dalton absolutely does not get high praise.
Carolina could be a scary team to face in the NFC. As awful as they were for much of the season - has an NFL team ever won one game over a 10-game span (Carolina had a 1-8-1 run) and made the playoffs?? - they are on fire right now. They will be a tough out as long as they keep playing like they have been.
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They have won 4 straight, and Cam Newton looks great right now. They should beat floundering Arizona handedly. But they won't get past the LOB. :xbones
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You know, watching this, I have to wonder if this is all Dalton's fault. I mean, who is the Bengals OC??? Rain Man????
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All that needs to be known is that Andy Dalton isn't a QB I'd put trust in.
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Dallas may have a better chance in Seattle than GB...but ironically, I don't think Dallas can win in the frozen tundra. So I'm thinking GB takes care of Dallas for us.
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Another REALLY LAME play by Dalton. I think he could've got that first down easily, and he literally gave up 6 inches early. The guy just does not play with any chutzpah whatsoever. At least not tonight.
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Anybody still watching? After that last drive, I can see why Dalton gets the "on again/off again" criticism. He looked great on that drive. This game could get really interesting.
Does anyone think the outcome of this game changes the outcome of the games that follow? i.e. Do you think one team or the other has a better/worse chance against Indy/Baltimore?
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Can't believe they reversed that.
Don't like that call one bit.
As a Packers fan, I found it ridiculous as well.
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Ok....now that the AFC is set, time for my predictions.
Indy will beat Cincy, but Baltimore will upset Pit. That will put Baltimore in Foxboro and they will lose a nail biter. Indy will go to Denver and get blown out.
NE vs Denver will be an amazing and very high scoring game, but I think the Pats will come out victorious.
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The Panthers looked better yesterday than I have ever seen them. I think they probably could have beaten almost anyone in the league yesterday.
If only the Super Bowl had been played yesterday. lol
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I think Ron Rivera paid for a time machine and brought last year's Panthers team forward in time, that was a first rate beatdown by the defense. :lol
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Orton is retiring from the Bills.
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Jim Harbaugh to Michigan is just about a done deal.
Mike Smith is out in Atlanta. Ryan is out in N.Y., and Trestman is out in Chicago.
Bills QB Kyle Orton plans to retire.
ESPN.com is the source.. so take it for what it's worth.
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Orton is retiring from the Bills.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
I wish him nothing for the best and thanks for a great season, but now we have to deal with a below subpar QB (Manuel) and still have to fix the O-line and fire Hackett. Yeesh.
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Nice shot to Le'Veon Bell's knee there from the Bengal to probably ruin the Steelers' season.
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Personally, I think Smith got a raw deal in Atlanta. I know he's had 2 losing seasons in a row, but they are clearly the aberration in his duration there. It's not like they were perennial contenders before he got there or anything.
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Nice shot to Le'Veon Bell's knee there from the Bengal to probably ruin the Steelers' season.
Are you implying malicious intent, because there didn't seem to be any. Can't hit up high anymore, so this sort of hit/injury is on the rise.
I guess the shot in the head that knocked AJ Green out of the game was malicious as well?
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Personally, I think Smith got a raw deal in Atlanta. I know he's had 2 losing seasons in a row, but they are clearly the aberration in his duration there. It's not like they were perennial contenders before he got there or anything.
I agree. Not only were they not perennial contenders, but they were fresh off of the Michael Vick scandal and Bobby Petrino bolting out of town before the season was even over. Would have loved to have seen Smith get another year. The owner stated that Smith goes down as the most successful coach in Falcons history. Well then, why show your best coach the door?
The NFL, and many other pro sports have gotten too impatient with coaches in my opinion.
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I agree.
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As far as League MVP goes. I think it should be either Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Watt, Romo or Murray. Manning and Luck have had great seasons, and have proven their value.... but I feel that the aforementioned guys are ahead of them.
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Personally, I think Smith got a raw deal in Atlanta. I know he's had 2 losing seasons in a row, but they are clearly the aberration in his duration there. It's not like they were perennial contenders before he got there or anything.
I agree. Not only were they not perennial contenders, but they were fresh off of the Michael Vick scandal and Bobby Petrino bolting out of town before the season was even over. Would have loved to have seen Smith get another year. The owner stated that Smith goes down as the most successful coach in Falcons history. Well then, why show your best coach the door?
The NFL, and many other pro sports have gotten too impatient with coaches in my opinion.
I'm not sure anyone is more capable of heartily agreeing than a 49er fan right now.
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Personally, I think Smith got a raw deal in Atlanta. I know he's had 2 losing seasons in a row, but they are clearly the aberration in his duration there. It's not like they were perennial contenders before he got there or anything.
I agree. Not only were they not perennial contenders, but they were fresh off of the Michael Vick scandal and Bobby Petrino bolting out of town before the season was even over. Would have loved to have seen Smith get another year. The owner stated that Smith goes down as the most successful coach in Falcons history. Well then, why show your best coach the door?
The NFL, and many other pro sports have gotten too impatient with coaches in my opinion.
I'm not sure anyone is more capable of heartily agreeing than a 49er fan right now.
I still can't believe that they let him walk. His track record is remarkable, and the 49ers bad season had much more to do with injuries than anything he did. He must have really pissed off management to make them want to be rid of a proven winner.
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I still can't believe that they let him walk. His track record is remarkable, and the 49ers bad season had much more to do with injuries than anything he did. He must have really pissed off management to make them want to be rid of a proven winner.
Injuries AND the front office making it difficult for him in so many different ways.
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Personally, I think Smith got a raw deal in Atlanta. I know he's had 2 losing seasons in a row, but they are clearly the aberration in his duration there. It's not like they were perennial contenders before he got there or anything.
I agree. Not only were they not perennial contenders, but they were fresh off of the Michael Vick scandal and Bobby Petrino bolting out of town before the season was even over. Would have loved to have seen Smith get another year. The owner stated that Smith goes down as the most successful coach in Falcons history. Well then, why show your best coach the door?
The NFL, and many other pro sports have gotten too impatient with coaches in my opinion.
It's not just how good of a coach someone is but how he fits into marketing. Mike Smith is well liked around here as a person, but he has frustrated fans for quite a few years now, dating to when they were winning. The Falcons aren't massively popular, so if fans are starting to get anxious on a coach I can't blame them for moving on after some lackluster years. Keeping him is asking fans get excited with someone they already don't think has what it takes to make the next step above what they even have to get back to. A coaching hire could help fan interest while keeping Mike Smith could increase apathy heading into next season.
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What generally happens in cases like that is that they bring in someone who excites the fans but doesn't produce any better on the field than the last coach. So whatever.
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Nice shot to Le'Veon Bell's knee there from the Bengal to probably ruin the Steelers' season.
Are you implying malicious intent, because there didn't seem to be any. Can't hit up high anymore, so this sort of hit/injury is on the rise.
I guess the shot in the head that knocked AJ Green out of the game was malicious as well?
You'd probably view it differently if it had been Torrey Smith instead of Bell.
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What generally happens in cases like that is that they bring in someone who excites the fans but doesn't produce any better on the field than the last coach. So whatever.
Not saying otherwise, but this is still the entertainment business and the easy decisions for product quality don't always coincide with the best decisions for sales and/or fairness to those involved. If fans were rallying around the team with 'get them next year' he'd have a job.
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Nice shot to Le'Veon Bell's knee there from the Bengal to probably ruin the Steelers' season.
Are you implying malicious intent, because there didn't seem to be any. Can't hit up high anymore, so this sort of hit/injury is on the rise.
I guess the shot in the head that knocked AJ Green out of the game was malicious as well?
You'd probably view it differently if it had been Torrey Smith instead of Bell.
Probably not, since I'm not a homer.
Didn't see your thoughts on the Green hit as it compared to the Bell hit....
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Pretty soon the only place you'll be able to tackle will be the hips.
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I still can't believe that they let him walk. His track record is remarkable, and the 49ers bad season had much more to do with injuries than anything he did. He must have really pissed off management to make them want to be rid of a proven winner.
Injuries AND the front office making it difficult for him in so many different ways.
I was thinking about this last night. Harbaugh had an excellent record with the 49ers and had really helped build a pretty good team. Yet the owners were looking to jettison him a year ago. Since you're something of an expert in employee/employer relations, doesn't it seem to you like the guy probably has some issues that his employers were sick of dealing with?
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Maybe we can look at him as a Bill Parcells. He can turn a team around and set structure and a winning culture but wears out his welcome with either players or management.
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I still can't believe that they let him walk. His track record is remarkable, and the 49ers bad season had much more to do with injuries than anything he did. He must have really pissed off management to make them want to be rid of a proven winner.
Injuries AND the front office making it difficult for him in so many different ways.
I was thinking about this last night. Harbaugh had an excellent record with the 49ers and had really helped build a pretty good team. Yet the owners were looking to jettison him a year ago. Since you're something of an expert in employee/employer relations, doesn't it seem to you like the guy probably has some issues that his employers were sick of dealing with?
Really hard to say. My expertise aside, I am still just an outsider looking in with very limited information at my disposal. He seems like he can be prickly and difficult to communicate with. But the front office should be able to work through that stuff. IMO, it is their responsibility to work through those issues and allow the team to function well. To me, they have done an abysmal job, and fans here are REALLY angry at York and Baalke right now.
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I still can't believe that they let him walk. His track record is remarkable, and the 49ers bad season had much more to do with injuries than anything he did. He must have really pissed off management to make them want to be rid of a proven winner.
Injuries AND the front office making it difficult for him in so many different ways.
I was thinking about this last night. Harbaugh had an excellent record with the 49ers and had really helped build a pretty good team. Yet the owners were looking to jettison him a year ago. Since you're something of an expert in employee/employer relations, doesn't it seem to you like the guy probably has some issues that his employers were sick of dealing with?
Really hard to say. My expertise aside, I am still just an outsider looking in with very limited information at my disposal. He seems like he can be prickly and difficult to communicate with. But the front office should be able to work through that stuff. IMO, it is their responsibility to work through those issues and allow the team to function well. To me, they have done an abysmal job, and fans here are REALLY angry at York and Baalke right now.
Don't know anything about York, but in another year or two y'all are going to be really happy about Baalke.
Be that as it may, are the fans particularly happy about Harbaugh? You said that mgmt should be willing to let the issues go so the team can function well. Well, from my even further outside perspective, that was a dysfunctional team. I know you haven't been willing to accept the various scuttlebutt about disharmony above and below Harbaugh, but the last 6 months certainly seem to reflect that. If I were a fan (instead of one who hates everything about the organization), his record would probably be enough to get Harbaugh another shot, but I'd want to see some issues addressed. Facing problems such as this discord (among other things) doesn't seem to be in the playbook out there. I'd probably be happy to see him go, rather than another year like this one where "everything's fine-we just need to execute better."
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Organizational chemistry is absolutely IMO the biggest difference, and ultimately the deciding factor between the Niners and the Seahawks.
The Seahawks had discord in the team early on, an it was addressed immediately before it could get worse. The Niners didn't address theirs and it festered.
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...in another year or two y'all are going to be really happy about Baalke.
How so? ???
Be that as it may, are the fans particularly happy about Harbaugh?
For the most part, yeah. The only widespread fan complaints I am aware of are:
1. Media relations. Yeah, a lot of people (myself included) were tired of the nonresponsive answers and just general weirdness of his media style (or lack thereof). But in the grand scheme of things, if he is successful, I think it is easier to overlook that, annoying though it may be. He is certainly not the only coach to have a prickly media personality (BB, I am looking at you).
2. Historically bad at challenging calls. At times, it almost seemed like he would do it just to get a reaction when he was pissed at a call. :lol Dumb, but again, easy to overlook when they are winning. It kinda goes along with his tantrum-throwing style on the sidelines. But yet again, easy to overlook when they are winning. Not a major source of tension for most fans.
There are some other complaints that surfaced this year, but I don't think they are fair criticisms. For example:
1. Getting "out coached" in games, especially in the second half. Eh, not really valid, IMO (and in the opinion of true football analysts like Greg Cosell, for example). You could point to LOTS of games they have won over the last 4 years and make solid arguments that he outcoached his opponents. Not fair to point to a handful of losses to try to make a case that he was outcoached. Even if it were his fault in some of those losses, it happens. I think the overall record speaks for itself.
2. Simplifying the play-calling nomenclature so his QB can get the play in quicker and get the snap off in time. Valid. It's not a Kaep issue because it was an issue with Smith as well in the Harbaugh era. But it is primarily a Greg Roman issue, not a Jim Harbaugh issue. The OC needs to work that out.
3. Not developing Kaep to be a pocket passer. Eh. I think he has done a good job with Kaep overall. Yeah, he has some issues he is working through. Some are not his fault, like his O-line being decimated by injury, or his receivers dropping passes and giving up on routes, but there are other areas where he needs to develop more. But overall, I am happy with him at QB, and I think most fans seem to be as well. It doesn't seem to be a major strike against Harbaugh (and I am not sure it would be fair to lay it totally at his feet anyway).
Overall, despite some dissenters, the fan base overall was happy with him and is very UNhappy about seeing him go.
[quote author=El Barto link=topic=40900.msg1904762#msg1904762 date=1419884043Well, from my even further outside perspective, that was a dysfunctional team. I know you haven't been willing to accept the various scuttlebutt about disharmony above and below Harbaugh, but the last 6 months certainly seem to reflect that.
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It's not that I haven't been willing to accept it. It's just that the only "sources" were unreliable and were comprised of ZERO players inside the lock room. And tons of players have stepped up and said there are no issues. From what we know now looking back, there were a small handful of guys who may have been unhappy, but the major source of discord was actually the ownership group talking out of turn to people like Deion. And that, in turn, caused some rifts between coach and players because, as will happen anywhere, where the suits up top are not supporting the boss, a few bad apples who don't like the boss are going to take it as a free pass to do/say whatever they want.
...his record would probably be enough to get Harbaugh another shot, but I'd want to see some issues addressed. Facing problems such as this discord (among other things) doesn't seem to be in the playbook out there. I'd probably be happy to see him go, rather than another year like this one where "everything's fine-we just need to execute better."
I don't completely disagree with you. But again, I place much more blame on the ownership. If they backed their coach rather than stirring up discord, it seems like a lot of these issues would have resolved themselves. When you look at an organization like the Pats or, as Jammin pointed out, the Seahawks (to a lesser degree, but still), when the front office and coaching staff are on the same page, issues get addressed rather than escalating. The front office undermined the coach, and that was perhaps the biggest problem. Fix that, and everything else is tolerable. No matter who they get now, they are potentially going to face the same issues.
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...in another year or two y'all are going to be really happy about Baalke.
How so? ???
The contract they roped Kap into was a piece of work, and when people finally realize that he's not the answer you guys will be happy it doesn't cost anything to jettison him. Compare this guy to Phil Emery, who deserved a helluva lot worse than just being sacked, and consider yourself quite fortunate.
I've got nothing to argue with about everything else you have to say. I'll just point out that usually the gossip around locker-rooms tends to be pretty damned astute. Past experience watching the league has me of the mindset that what anonymous insiders tell Deion is probably a lot more reliable than what the owner, GM, HC or players have to say publicly.
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...in another year or two y'all are going to be really happy about Baalke.
How so? ???
The contract they roped Kap into was a piece of work, and when people finally realize that he's not the answer you guys will be happy it doesn't cost anything to jettison him. Compare this guy to Phil Emery, who deserved a helluva lot worse than just being sacked, and consider yourself quite fortunate.
Oh, I see. Yeah, you may be right. I am still hopeful for the kid and think he can succeed. Yeah, there have been issues. But I would still rather have him than the majority of starters in the league right now. We'll see.
I'll just point out that usually the gossip around locker-rooms tends to be pretty damned astute. Past experience watching the league has me of the mindset that what anonymous insiders tell Deion is probably a lot more reliable than what the owner, GM, HC or players have to say publicly.
Generally speaking, yes. But with only ONE exception, the LOCAL sports media (the guys who actually have access to the locker room and are around the players and coaches) have expressed similar things to what I am saying ("well, ESPN is reporting X, but...we don't really know anything about that, but, uh...if ESPN is saying it, I guess we have to report it"). And that one guy, in my book, has no credibility in general, so I never pay much attention to him. So I dunno. It all may very well have been true. But I just have seen no credible sources. In my opinion, it has just been a lot of irresponsible reporting and is just one of many examples (see also, e.g., Ferguson, MO) of why the media infuriates me. Journalists can be some of the most unscrupulous, dishonest, immoral people there are, IMO (and this coming from a lawyer).
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Kev. You got your wish. Next year Denver hosts N.E. The Pats also go to Dallas, Indy and Houston. The only home game that's interesting is The Steelers.
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The only home game that's interesting is The Steelers.
..and the Eagles.
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I must have glazed over it but he'll yeah.
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Nice shot to Le'Veon Bell's knee there from the Bengal to probably ruin the Steelers' season.
Are you implying malicious intent, because there didn't seem to be any. Can't hit up high anymore, so this sort of hit/injury is on the rise.
I guess the shot in the head that knocked AJ Green out of the game was malicious as well?
You'd probably view it differently if it had been Torrey Smith instead of Bell.
Probably not, since I'm not a homer.
Didn't see your thoughts on the Green hit as it compared to the Bell hit....
There was obviously no intent there, and bodies were flying all over the place around Green. I didn't state there was intent on the Bell hit either.
Whatever, I'm sure if Bell does manage to play with a brace or something this Saturday it wouldn't be too long before Suggs or Ngata "accidentally" hit him in the knee.
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I will not soften this in anyway. The Niners front office is fucking idiotic for not doing whatever possible to keep Harbaugh and getting him what he needs to succeed. The offense was going to need work next year to start, and now the team as a whole has just been knocked a huge step back with his loss.
Defense, even while injured, was certainly still the stronger half of the team, and you have a QB who might as well be regressing this early in his career, a franchise running back that is aging and might not return, a franchise TE that finally saw injuries catch up to him and won't be the threat going forward as he was in the past. I love Davis so much, and it sucked to see him be reduced to nothing this season, heartbreaking. I've never had a football jersey and finally asked for one for Christmas and it's his Jersey I got. Sized wrong, so will exchange it, and even with his problems I still plan to stick with his jersey. He was such an exciting TE to watch. And then Crabtree may or may not be back.
Not looking forward to next year.
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...a franchise TE that finally saw injuries catch up to him and won't be the threat going forward as he was in the past. I love Davis so much, and it sucked to see him be reduced to nothing this season, heartbreaking. I've never had a football jersey and finally asked for one for Christmas and it's his Jersey I got. Sized wrong, so will exchange it, and even with his problems I still plan to stick with his jersey. He was such an exciting TE to watch.
Yeah, actually, I am not sure what the issue is with Davis. A lot of it seemed to be in his head, but hard to say for certain. He was a freaking selfish idiot when he joined the team. Singletary straightened him out and, to his credit, Davis responded tremendously well.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/31/vernon-davis-wishes-he-thanked-mike-singletary-for-benching-him/
But this last year, there have seemed to be hints of the old Vernon. I could be wrong, but it really seems like it.
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I must have glazed over it but he'll yeah.
Posted from your phone?
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Of course. I only have one error per post on my computer. :lol
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What a POS Suh is. Too bad he didn't get more than a 1 game suspension.
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To be fair I don't think any other player in the league would have gotten a suspension over that (save for a couple of Ravens, perhaps). I've got no problem whatsoever with the suspension here, but I think his reputation as a POS made it look a lot worse than it actually was.
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I don't know man, he put his full weight on the foot he had on Rodgers and then just walked away like nothing even happened
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To be fair I don't think any other player in the league would have gotten a suspension over that (save for a couple of Ravens, perhaps). I've got no problem whatsoever with the suspension here, but I think his reputation as a POS made it look a lot worse than it actually was.
I hate to say it, as much as Suh is clearly a dirty player, but I can't tell how intentional it was or if it even was. If your momentum is carrying you backward several steps and what breaks the momentum is the fact that you just accidentally stepped on another player that you have your back to, it is not inconceivable that you will not only step on said player with your other foot as your momentum continues to carry you, but that if that is the turning point in your momentum, you will actually unavoidably be stuck in that position for a second before you can shift your weight and move forward. But, yeah, his reputation dictated the result as much as anything.
I don't know man, he put his full weight on the foot he had on Rodgers and then just walked away like nothing even happened
And as much as I also hate to admit it where Suh is concerned, being a dick about it after the fact still doesn't mean it was intentional.
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Problem El Barto is most would jump up knowing they are on someone's leg. It's always done with bad intentions with Suh.
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It seems clear he knew what he was doing, the question is just whether it was worthy of a suspension. All players deserve suspensions for crap like that, but few would get it, simply because they would get the benefit of doubt. Suh is long past deserving that.
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To be fair I don't think any other player in the league would have gotten a suspension over that (save for a couple of Ravens, perhaps). I've got no problem whatsoever with the suspension here, but I think his reputation as a POS made it look a lot worse than it actually was.
I hate to say it, as much as Suh is clearly a dirty player, but I can't tell how intentional it was or if it even was. If your momentum is carrying you backward several steps and what breaks the momentum is the fact that you just accidentally stepped on another player that you have your back to, it is not inconceivable that you will not only step on said player with your other foot as your momentum continues to carry you, but that if that is the turning point in your momentum, you will actually unavoidably be stuck in that position for a second before you can shift your weight and move forward. But, yeah, his reputation dictated the result as much as anything.
I don't know man, he put his full weight on the foot he had on Rodgers and then just walked away like nothing even happened
And as much as I also hate to admit it where Suh is concerned, being a dick about it after the fact still doesn't mean it was intentional.
I agree with Bosk on this one. Add to that he was walking backwards...couldn't see where he was going...the second step may very well have been an attempt to 'step off" from the first one. One things for sure, he had *no way* of seeing where he was going. He was facing the other way. So to sit there and insinuate that he saw Rodgers' leg, said "oh cool, let me stomp on it" and then proceed to do so is ludicrous. If it was intentional, he was going totally by blind feel.
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I don't see anyway to think it wasn't an accident, given human nature.
If you accidentally step on someone's leg, instead of the ground, you react. You look back like, "Woah, shit." Suh did not. He acted like it was nothing, trying to be all nonchalant.
Also, he didn't react when Rodgers swatted him. Again, human nature is against him here. If someone smacks/slaps you, you react. You don't walk away like nothing just happened, especially when you pride yourself on being as rough and tough as Suh does. Not a look, not a glance, not an "oops." Nothing. That says it all. Clearly intentional. And his history gives him zero benefit of the doubt, of which there should be none anyway.
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I kind of agree with what I saw somewhere else, doe the NFL need to wait for Suh to step on someone's head before banning him? He's been a dirty player for years now. Get rid of him.
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I kind of agree with what I saw somewhere else, doe the NFL need to wait for Suh to step on someone's head before banning him? He's been a dirty player for years now. Get rid of him.
Very true.
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I don't see anyway to think it wasn't an accident, given human nature.
If you accidentally step on someone's leg, instead of the ground, you react. You look back like, "Woah, shit." Suh did not. He acted like it was nothing, trying to be all nonchalant.
Also, he didn't react when Rodgers swatted him. Again, human nature is against him here. If someone smacks/slaps you, you react. You don't walk away like nothing just happened, especially when you pride yourself on being as rough and tough as Suh does. Not a look, not a glance, not an "oops." Nothing. That says it all. Clearly intentional. And his history gives him zero benefit of the doubt, of which there should be none anyway.
Indifference does not imply intent. Given what we know about the guy I'm inclined to agree that he was being a dick, but that's not the same as the certainty I'd want before taking it to Orcus's level. I'm also inclined to agree with him, in that it's time to look into getting rid of the guy, but this isn't the one I'd pull that trigger for.
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I'm sort of fascinated by this on a player's union standpoint, If something worse happens to him, like a banning, do they have a leg to stand on in defending him because it's their job?
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I'm sort of fascinated by this on a player's union standpoint, If something worse happens to him, like a banning, do they have a leg to stand on in defending him because it's their job?
Absolutely they'll defend him. It's their job and they're obligated to do it. If they didn't then what would be the point of it's existence at all?
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At the expense of deliberately hurting their other members? Eliminate one for the survival of the many.
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That's what bugs me about them. To me the player's union should be urging the NFL to take a hardline stance against any players that poses unnecessary danger to their members. When the NFLPA defends dirty players I can't help but feel they're a miserable outfit.
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I'm sort of fascinated by this on a player's union standpoint, If something worse happens to him, like a banning, do they have a leg to stand on in defending him because it's their job?
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:rollin
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:facepalm: :lol
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I kind of agree with what I saw somewhere else, doe the NFL need to wait for Suh to step on someone's head before banning him? He's been a dirty player for years now. Get rid of him.
He already intentionally stepped on someone's head when they were playing Dallas a few years ago. Cut the guy's head open. Apparently, he didn't learn his lesson.
And as much as I also hate to admit it where Suh is concerned, being a dick about it after the fact still doesn't mean it was intentional.
I think it's safe to say that whatever Suh does can be considered "intentional" even if it didn't seem that way; and how ironic is it that he is suspended for the game in Dallas based on my statement above. :biggrin:
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Suh's suspension was overturned. $70,000 fine, but with his paycheck I'm sure it feels like a huge win compared to missing a playoff game. Do fines like this get the attention of the players?
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Disgusting.
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Disgusting.
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Disgusting.
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The NFL is really screwing the pooch this year.
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And the pooch is not protesting loudly enough.
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Amen.
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At this rate Suh could sacrifice Romo to Kali next week and maybe get a three game suspension at the beginning of next season.
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And the pooch is not protesting loudly enough.
Exactly. The pooch is about to give the NFL a huge television rating for that game on Sunday.
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But I wanna see the Cowboys wiiiiiiiin.
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I think Mike Pereira and Bill Polian nailed it on several points. If it wasn't Suh and it wasn't Rodgers none of this would have ever been on anybody's radar, much less warranting a suspension. Also, suspending a team's best player in the post-season would be unprecedented.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2014/12/30/mike-pereira-ndamukong-suh/21050017/
"Commissioner (Paul) Tagliabue explained to me that Commissioner (Pete) Rozelle had explained to him that suspension was absolutely the remedy of last resort because suspension carried with it penalties to people far beyond the player involved," Polian said. "It penalizes his teammates, it penalizes the franchise, it penalizes the fans of the franchise, and it, in many cases, clearly affects competitive balance. To say that this suspension affects competitive balance in the playoffs is the understatement of the year."
A Monday search of past discipline revealed no known incidences where the NFL suspended a player for a postseason game because of on-field rules violation.
In 1946, the league suspended New York Giants fullback Merle Hapes for the championship game after he admitted he was approached by gamblers to fix the game, according to Pro Football Hall of Fame.
"I don't know how I would have ruled having seen all of the tape, and I'll be the first to tell you again that I have not," Polian said. "But I think in this case, with the playoffs involved and competitive balance involved, you better be darn sure – darn sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt – that this is a suspendable offense before you take a player of this nature off the field in a playoff game."
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But we are talking an 8 time suspended player that continues to cross the line. If this was a first timer it would be a different outcome. But we are talking about 8 times.
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But we are talking an 8 time suspended player that continues to cross the line. If this was a first timer it would be a different outcome. But we are talking about 8 times.
Well, you got a couple of things there. The basis of the successful appeal seems to be that under league rules he was a first-time offender (just sayin!).
According to NFL rules, a player who goes 32 games (including a maximum of two preseason games) without a violation is removed from the list. His history as a repeat offender was never cited.
He hasn't been fined since week 1 of 2013.
The other thing is that you have to consider actual guilt before you consider past transgressions. Prior history (if it were even applicable here) would effect the penalty handed down. What people are doing with this case is using his past history to establish a threshold for what constitutes guilt (intent, in this case). Doesn't and shouldn't work that way.
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This is where the goon enforcer on a hockey team sets the other player straight. I wish this would happen.
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I think Mike Pereira and Bill Polian nailed it on several points. If it wasn't Suh and it wasn't Rodgers none of this would have ever been on anybody's radar, much less warranting a suspension. Also, suspending a team's best player in the post-season would be unprecedented.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2014/12/30/mike-pereira-ndamukong-suh/21050017/
"... Polian said. "It penalizes his teammates, it penalizes the franchise, it penalizes the fans of the franchise, and it, in many cases, clearly affects competitive balance. To say that this suspension affects competitive balance in the playoffs is the understatement of the year...."
My reply to that would simply be that the Lions know Suh's track record and basically state that they are willing to risk all of those considerations by continuing to allow Suh to be a member of their team.
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Plus, can we please stop calling Suh the Lions best player? I've seen several talking heads do that this week. I don't know what planet they are living on, but here on planet Earth, Calvin Johnson is still Megatron and far away the Lions the best player.
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I refuse to call anyone Megatron.
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Plus, can we please stop calling Suh the Lions best player? I've seen several talking heads do that this week. I don't know what planet they are living on, but here on planet Earth, Calvin Johnson is still Megatron and far away the Lions the best player.
In a general sense I agree completely. In a year where they're only scoring 20ppg but holding opponents to 17.6, I'm calling Suh their best player.
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I'm calling Prater their best player then.
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I think Mike Pereira and Bill Polian nailed it on several points. If it wasn't Suh and it wasn't Rodgers none of this would have ever been on anybody's radar, much less warranting a suspension. Also, suspending a team's best player in the post-season would be unprecedented.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2014/12/30/mike-pereira-ndamukong-suh/21050017/
"... Polian said. "It penalizes his teammates, it penalizes the franchise, it penalizes the fans of the franchise, and it, in many cases, clearly affects competitive balance. To say that this suspension affects competitive balance in the playoffs is the understatement of the year...."
My reply to that would simply be that the Lions know Suh's track record and basically state that they are willing to risk all of those considerations by continuing to allow Suh to be a member of their team.
Exactly. And players who want to win have a tendency to police their own. I doubt that fines have more than a minor deterrent effect for players. Suspensions cause other players on the team to step in and talk to their guy and say, "Hey, fix yourself NOW. We can't afford to have starters riding the bench." Of course, their words in a given situation might be a bit more pointed than mine. ;)
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Just playing devil's advocate here since I really don't like the guy anyway, but since he went essentially 2 seasons without a peep from the league, isn't it reasonable to think that they felt he was under control? People are pissed because the Lion's aren't going to have their D decimated for a playoff game over something that's already pretty debatable (the game's referee said he watched the whole thing happen and didn't see anything problematic, BTW), just because of the player involved's reputation.
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Just playing devil's advocate here since I really don't like the guy anyway, but since he went essentially 2 seasons without a peep from the league, isn't it reasonable to think that they felt he was under control?
Not necessarily. To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, maybe they were pissed off and frustrated because they felt like he was toeing the line and thumbing his nose at the league by not living up to the spirit of what they wanted him to be, but staying close enough to the right side of the line where they couldn't credibly bust him.
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At this point I'm completely confused at to which devil we're each advocating for. In any event, I'm just saying that after 2 seasons of non-detrimental behavior it seems a bit harsh to penalize the team and fans for what he might or might not have done.
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At this point I'm completely confused at to which devil we're each advocating for. In any event, I'm just saying that after 2 seasons of non-detrimental behavior it seems a bit harsh to penalize the team and fans for what he might or might not have done.
I understand. I just disagree philosophically about whether that is what is best under the circumstances. In my opinion (and the opinions of many others), Suh's pattern of conduct removes any benefit of the doubt one might otherwise give and mandates harsher consequences, even if the unintended result is that the team and fans also end up being penalized in the process. The short-term result is not good for the Lions or fans, but the long-term result is (hopefully) better because the harsher consequences send a strong message that is more likely to be a deterrent against others developing similar behavioral patterns, both because any sane person would want to avoid the potential consequences and because his teammates, also seeking to avoid the harsh consequences to the team, would be more active in policing their own.
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At this point I'm completely confused at to which devil we're each advocating for. In any event, I'm just saying that after 2 seasons of non-detrimental behavior it seems a bit harsh to penalize the team and fans for what he might or might not have done.
I understand. I just disagree philosophically about whether that is what is best under the circumstances. In my opinion (and the opinions of many others), Suh's pattern of conduct removes any benefit of the doubt one might otherwise give and mandates harsher consequences, even if the unintended result is that the team and fans also end up being penalized in the process. The short-term result is not good for the Lions or fans, but the long-term result is (hopefully) better because the harsher consequences send a strong message that is more likely to be a deterrent against others developing similar behavioral patterns, both because any sane person would want to avoid the potential consequences and because his teammates, also seeking to avoid the harsh consequences to the team, would be more active in policing their own.
I get that completely, and from a practical, real world perspective it makes sense. It's just that philosophically (and ironically as the non-lawyer here) I have a problem with using his prior behavior as a basis in determining whether or not what he did was actually a violation. In any event, it seems that the benefit of the doubt was awarded to the team and the fans, rather than Suh, in keeping with the spirit Rozelle had initially referred to. This doesn't bother me.
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From what I've read is that he was still guilty of stepping on another player and his excuse was his feet were numb and could not tell the difference between the ground and Rodgers. The league felt that the $70,000.00 fine was enough this time.
Maybe that goes to your point El Barto that it's been two years so they took off the suspension and thought the fine was enough.
To me, if I step on a sock at home I jump back thinking I stepped on one of our cats. You know when you are stepping on something and the league agreed just that they lessened it to a fine only.
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Yeah, his excuse was pathetic, makes it even more clear he knew what he was doing, in my opinion. You'd think going in with that excuse would make them less likely to lessen the punishment, especially since it apparently wasn't believed.
The league wasn't the one choosing to lessen his punishment, though, I'm sure they were upset by the result.
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What if he stepped on Rogers' throwing hand rendering Rogers out for a playoff game?
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What if he stepped on Rogers' throwing hand rendering Rogers out for a playoff game?
Nothing changes. If it was a violation you discipline him, and if it wasn't then it goes into the shit happens category. Players get injured by others all the time.
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Something else that occurs to me is that if you change the competitive balance of a playoff game, you're effecting all of the games down the line. Just a hunch, but I suspect both GB and SEA have a vested interest in the outcome of this game.
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Yeah, and I doubt he would get anything here if he hadn't propped himself up with the second step. If the first step was all there was then even if it was on purpose it would be really hard to know.
I don't buy the whole thing that we only saw it because it was high profile players. Any time players get into it on the field we start analyzing why. Even if we only saw it because of that shouldn't change the punishment as some have suggested. They don't see every penalty, does that mean they ignore what they do see? It's like Tiger Woods in golf, his game gets extra scrutinized for penalties, it just goes with the territory of the camera being on you more often.
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The guy is guilty as sin. All this proves is, any player can buy their way out of a suspension and the league is setting a standard. The fines will never go beyond what any player can comfortably afford, so what's the point? It's not a disciplinary action. Who cares about the 32 week policy? Are they saying he would've been suspended had he done it a week earlier? That's ridiculous. It shouldn't matter how long ago it happened. The fact is, it did happen and Suh is a repeat offender. He shouldn't be allowed to play.
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To be fair, the league wanted to suspend him and an independent person overruled them. It's not like they changed their mind.
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On a lighter note.... this video is a few years old. I saw it for the first time today and found it to be hillarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8
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Am I the only one who thinks this "Harbaugh Shelf Life" story floating around is completely ridiculous? The guy is a great coach. He may have a dominant type attitude that burns a lot of bridges and rubs people the wrong way, but I can't think of a single guy the Niners could have next year that would be better.
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Am I the only one who thinks this "Harbaugh Shelf Life" story floating around is completely ridiculous? The guy is a great coach. He may have a dominant type attitude that burns a lot of bridges and rubs people the wrong way, but I can't think of a single guy the Niners could have next year that would be better.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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On a lighter note.... this video is a few years old. I saw it for the first time today and found it to be hillarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8
:lol
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Bosk, it's being reported that the 9ers people are flying into Foxboro this week to interview Josh McDaniels. He was a disaster in Denver, so unless he can bring Brady and Gronk with him to SF...
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He wasn't a disaster in Denver; they just didn't like him much. I think he'd actually be a good fit for the 49ers team, particularly if they're trying to turn Kap into a quarterback, but a lousy fit for Sand Diego. He is a Belichick protege, after all.
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Kaep is already a good QB, but they will need to decide quickly what their strategy is for how to use him and build a team for that. He is showing signs of developing into a better (but still not great) pocket passer, but he desperately needs an O-line and needs receivers to not quit on routes. If they push for that, he will be less explosive and will still need time to develop that because that isn't his strength. I think they will have an inconsistent "rebuild-like" offensive year if they continue to push that direction, but will likely get more long-term success with him behind center, assuming it works and isn't a bust. OR they can tailor the offense more around his skills, as they did in 2013. That means more explosiveness and big play potential, but means less consistency, and more likelihood of getting him hurt. It's a tradeoff.
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He wasn't a disaster in Denver; they just didn't like him much. I think he'd actually be a good fit for the 49ers team, particularly if they're trying to turn Kap into a quarterback, but a lousy fit for Sand Diego. He is a Belichick protege, after all.
He was way to young to act like Belichick. Not sure that's going to fly in SF, or anywhere for that matter. Apparently the Falcons are coming in too.
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Hey, ask the Browns on how the felt about The Dark Hoodie.
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He wasn't a disaster in Denver; they just didn't like him much.
I beg to differ. He was 11-17 as their head coach, and that was after shocking everyone with a 6-0 start in 2009. So, after a 6-0 start, he went 5-17 in his next 22 games, including being the coach for most of 2010 when they went 4-12, the Broncos worst season since 1967 (unless you wanna count the 2-7 record in the 1982 strike-shortened season). By those standards, yes, he was a disaster.
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Honestly, Mike Shanahan would be a perfect fit for the 49ers. WOrking for the junior Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, sullied his rep a bit, but Shanny could do wonders with that offense, and the defense is already in place and really good. Considering how much Shanny loves TEs, imagine Vernon Davis in his offense.
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Hey, ask the Browns on how the felt about The Dark Hoodie.
Bill Bellicose.
Honestly, Mike Shanahan would be a perfect fit for the 49ers. WOrking for the junior Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, sullied his rep a bit, but Shanny could do wonders with that offense, and the defense is already in place and really good. Considering how much Shanny loves TEs, imagine Vernon Davis in his offense.
Another HC fired by the Broncos. :lol
Seriously, I like Shanahan and he'd probably be a good fit for SF. I still wouldn't call McDaniels a disaster. I do agree that he was probably to young to keep a tenuous situation under control, though, and he wasn't liked or supported. What I do recall is that during those 6 games (where they were expected to suck exactly like they would eventually go on to do), he demonstrated some unorthodox and ballsy coaching. Not sure if the time is right yet, but I think the guy's going to make a great HC at some point.
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:lol
That's a good nickname El Barto.
I always think coaches learn from their mistakes the first time around. If it happens a second time then they just aren't HC'ing material. Some are meant to be a coordinator but they've got to have a second chance.
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Marrone opted out of his contract with Buffalo. The hunt for a new HC begins.
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On a lighter note.... this video is a few years old. I saw it for the first time today and found it to be hillarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I seriously LOLed. How did this get to be three years old and I never saw it?
Honestly, there is *NO TEAM IN FOOTBALL* I feel more sorry for than the Browns.
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Hey, ask the Browns on how the felt about The Dark Hoodie.
Bill Bellicose.
Honestly, Mike Shanahan would be a perfect fit for the 49ers. WOrking for the junior Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, sullied his rep a bit, but Shanny could do wonders with that offense, and the defense is already in place and really good. Considering how much Shanny loves TEs, imagine Vernon Davis in his offense.
Another HC fired by the Broncos. :lol
Seriously, I like Shanahan and he'd probably be a good fit for SF. I still wouldn't call McDaniels a disaster. I do agree that he was probably to young to keep a tenuous situation under control, though, and he wasn't liked or supported. What I do recall is that during those 6 games (where they were expected to suck exactly like they would eventually go on to do), he demonstrated some unorthodox and ballsy coaching. Not sure if the time is right yet, but I think the guy's going to make a great HC at some point.
As a Denver fan, it is hard to look back on McDaniels' tenure as anything but a disaster. Then again, I did witness the 59-14 home loss to Oakland in person :lol I still remember him standing alone on the sideline for the majority of that game; it was pretty clear that he had completely lost that team then and it was less than halfway into the season. I do agree that he has the potential to be a great head coach one day though.
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Honestly, Mike Shanahan would be a perfect fit for the 49ers. WOrking for the junior Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, sullied his rep a bit, but Shanny could do wonders with that offense, and the defense is already in place and really good. Considering how much Shanny loves TEs, imagine Vernon Davis in his offense.
Another HC fired by the Broncos. :lol
Seriously, I like Shanahan and he'd probably be a good fit for SF. I still wouldn't call McDaniels a disaster. I do agree that he was probably to young to keep a tenuous situation under control, though, and he wasn't liked or supported. What I do recall is that during those 6 games (where they were expected to suck exactly like they would eventually go on to do), he demonstrated some unorthodox and ballsy coaching. Not sure if the time is right yet, but I think the guy's going to make a great HC at some point.
I think that 6-0 start was the result of them catching some teams off guard, and remember that it began with an extremely lucky victory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXvaRUP4l4 His inability to adjust once the rest of the league adjusted was damning. Now, it's true that quite a few guys failed in their first stint as a head coach and then succeeded a second time, but I am not sure what McDaniels has done to even warrant a second chance. Anyone with a brain could do well as an OC with Brady and Gronk. I tend to give most of the credit there to Belichick, and the guys under him haven't exactly flourished as head coaches (Romeo Crennel and Charles Weis didn't exactly light the word on fire when they moved on).
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Really the only coaching tree that was amazing was SF from the hey day. So many damn head coaches that did well after leaving SF.
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Really the only coaching tree that was amazing was SF from the hey day. So many damn head coaches that did well after leaving SF.
The Parcells tree was pretty amazing too.
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Coughlin, Dark Hoodie. Who else? I can't remember.
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Sean Payton.
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Oh yeah! I forgot that too. The SF list is amazing though.
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Honestly, Mike Shanahan would be a perfect fit for the 49ers. WOrking for the junior Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, sullied his rep a bit, but Shanny could do wonders with that offense, and the defense is already in place and really good. Considering how much Shanny loves TEs, imagine Vernon Davis in his offense.
Another HC fired by the Broncos. :lol
Seriously, I like Shanahan and he'd probably be a good fit for SF. I still wouldn't call McDaniels a disaster. I do agree that he was probably to young to keep a tenuous situation under control, though, and he wasn't liked or supported. What I do recall is that during those 6 games (where they were expected to suck exactly like they would eventually go on to do), he demonstrated some unorthodox and ballsy coaching. Not sure if the time is right yet, but I think the guy's going to make a great HC at some point.
I think that 6-0 start was the result of them catching some teams off guard, and remember that it began with an extremely lucky victory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXvaRUP4l4 His inability to adjust once the rest of the league adjusted was damning.
The next two wins after that game were against Brady Quinn and Jamarcus Russell; can't forget that either. :rollin
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I still have Pittsburgh prevailing tomorrow night, but I think that the loss of Bell and the poor weather give the Ravens more of a fighting chance. Hopefully, they find a way to win... as finally beating Pittsburgh in the playoffs would be just about as satisfying as another Super Bowl victory.
My picks for this weekend.
Carolina 20, Arizona 3
Pittsburgh 24, Baltimore 20
Indianapolis 31, Cincinnati 24 (was leaning towards Cincy before Green got hurt).
Dallas 24, Detroit 21.
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Has Baltimore ever beat PIT in the playoffs?
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Has Baltimore ever beat PIT in the playoffs?
Nope. 0-3 all time.
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I still have Pittsburgh prevailing tomorrow night, but I think that the loss of Bell and the poor weather give the Ravens more of a fighting chance. Hopefully, they find a way to win... as finally beating Pittsburgh in the playoffs would be just about as satisfying as another Super Bowl victory.
My picks for this weekend.
Carolina 20, Arizona 3
Pittsburgh 24, Baltimore 20
Indianapolis 31, Cincinnati 24 (was leaning towards Cincy before Green got hurt).
Dallas 24, Detroit 21.
Yup, agree with these picks. Losing Bell is actually more of a loss to the passing game, because he didn't do anything on the ground against Baltimore last time. They will have to hand off to the scrub backs just enough to try to keep the pass rush honest, but if the Pitt O-Line can't stop the pass rush I think the Ravens will win.
I agree with the decision to rest Bell; we aren't the Bengals where the goal is just to win 1 playoff game . . .
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Losing Bell is actually more of a loss to the passing game, because he didn't do anything on the ground against Baltimore last time.
:facepalm:
He's still a major threat that would have to be accounted for in the running game. The presence of him alone would open things up more.
Even if they might lose the following week, I just hope the Ravens win tomorrow so Patriots fans will be nervous as hell all week. :lol :lol
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For all my herb-loving friends out there, kickoff of the Panthers/Cardinals game is scheduled for 4:20 this afternoon. :hat
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For all my herb-loving friends out there, kickoff of the Panthers/Cardinals game is scheduled for 4:20 this afternoon. :hat
Too bad we can't tag members, otherwise I would've tagged bosk
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lol
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/groovyside_zps39ba86db.jpg)
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LOL
Would love to see the Cards lose today and not necessarily because I like the Panthers. The Cards have been overrated all year riding their defense and they never play good on the east coast. That plane ride home is gonna be loooooooong...
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I think Doc pretty much has it, although I suspect Dallas might blow out Detroit. Dallas's D is opportunistic at times, and a couple of those Stafford picks will create some bonus points.
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I don't like the Steelers or the Ravens but would like to see Pitt eliminated. They already lead the league in Lombardi trophies.
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I think Doc pretty much has it, although I suspect Dallas might blow out Detroit. Dallas's D is opportunistic at times, and a couple of those Stafford picks will create some bonus points.
Lets just hope Marinelli keeps Carr out of 1-on-1s vs Megatron.
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Eh. GB is the real NFL leader. Fuck the "Only the SB era counts" line of thinking.
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LOL
Would love to see the Cards lose today and not necessarily because I like the Panthers. The Cards have been overrated all year riding their defense and they never play good on the east coast. That plane ride home is gonna be loooooooong...
Overrated?
I mean, they went into Week One with a pro bowler injured, and it went downhill from there. I think making the playoffs in a tough NFC is a testament of how good of a team that they really are.
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Word. AZ is a model of perseverance.
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Enjoy the games everyone, especially the resident Panthers fan. I'll be at an NFL/UFC party. Might be in the mood to see guys knock each other out if the Ravens lose ;D
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Doing predictions through the playoffs, for fun.
Cardinals, Steelers, Colts and Cowboys to go through this week.
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And the Panthers are on the board first!
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Ugh I don't remember playoffs being on ESPN before. So annoying.
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Panthers up 10 - 0. Looking good so far.
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A mistake by a rookie and a bullshit penalty have the Cardinals getting ready to score, but the first quarter ends with the Panthers up 10 - 0.
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LOL
Would love to see the Cards lose today and not necessarily because I like the Panthers. The Cards have been overrated all year riding their defense and they never play good on the east coast. That plane ride home is gonna be loooooooong...
Overrated?
I mean, they went into Week One with a pro bowler injured, and it went downhill from there. I think making the playoffs in a tough NFC is a testament of how good of a team that they really are.
:lol I never said they weren't good, DoC. Just not as good as the speculators have said. Especially since their defense has fallen off the last couple weeks and the QB situation is shaky. Yeah, their perseverance is commendable, but it won't be good enough to get them through the playoffs.
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The QB situation is shaky because they their top two are hurt. Find me any team that would get through the NFL playoffs with starting their 3rd stringer.
Also, at 10-0, the Panthers should have just ran it the whole game, but now two awful turnovers have given the Cardinals the lead (assuming that is called a TD, which it should be).
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Cam Newton is getting outplayed by Arizona's 3rd stringer, who is playing awful. :lol :lol
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Glad to see Arizona is making this a game, I honestly thought Carolina would blow them out.
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Too many mistakes for the Panthers so far. The Cardinals have two TDs they should never have had a chance to get.
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God damn the Panthers look like shite. Cam's missing easy as fuck passes and on the off chance that he gets them where they're supposed to go, the receivers are dropping easy passes. And their running game looks like shit too. Don't know how long they expect Cam Newton's 3rd down scrambles to keep working.
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Arizona getting totally raped by some of those PI calls. They can't breathe on a Panther without a flag, yet Michael Floyd gets grabbed on a deep route and no flag? Brutal.
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I agree, those have been pretty bad calls.
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You'd think the refs would swallow the whistles in the playoffs. At least, that's what we thought would happen.
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Fumble. Shouldn't even have been passing.
And Kuechly interception. W00t.
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Arizona folded as soon as the KR fumbled on that ill-advised return following the TD that made it 20-14. This game's a formality at this point.
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And then you have Ray Lewis chastising the Cardinals D after the game, like it's their fault they lost. I am pretty sure the Arizona defense is the only reason the game was in doubt for as long as it was.
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it was clearly the D's fault the offense gained less than 100 yards.
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Fucking refs. Steeler fans have a right to be pissed off right now.
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Fucking refs. Steeler fans have a right to be pissed off right now.
"Tangled feet" is a real thing...and it's not a penalty. His head was turned, and the feet got tripped up. That's not PI.
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Flacco is looking good tonight… the guy has a hell of an arm. :tup
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Oh, look, a butt fumble. :lol That Forsett fumble could be a playoff-changing play.
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And then a leg interception :lol Great play by Suggs.
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The coup de grâce will be someone blocking a field goal by sucking it out of the air with their urethra.
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Oh that hurts.
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Very impressive win by the Ravens.
I am surprised by the playoff schedule next weekend:
Balt/NE - Late Sat afternoon
Sea game - Sat night
GB game - early Sunday afternoon
Denver game - late Sunday afternoon
I would have thought they wouldn't want Seattle to have the night game.
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Well, they usually do east coast games first, right?
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Excellent. Pitt and Cards eliminated. Just what I was hoping for. Gotta go with home team picks tomorrow but who knows? Those games could go either way. Depends on who shows up. Defense will be the key in both games.
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The Indy Cincy game is going to be interesting. But the Dallas/Detroit game will be a blowout. Dallas is going to wipe the floor with them. It won't even been an interesting game.
Today (on MP dot com) I picked Carolina by 10 and I was right. I wasn't as sure about Pit/Balt, but I did have a feeling it would be the Ravens (maybe just because I hate the Steelers).
Tomorrow I'm going to say Indy will win a very tight and exciting game against the Bengals. But Dallas will beat the Lions by at least two TD's...maybe 3.
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If you played in Super Bowl XLIII, it was not a good day for you.
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LOL Jammin. It's the classic Dallas jinx. I see what you did there. :lol
Yeah, if Dallas plays like they did in December, you're probably right.
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Considering the play of both teams right now, I'd rather face Green Bay at home than Dallas. Green Bay is a great team, but I just get the feeling that they are playing a little "beat up" at the moment. Dallas OTOH just seems to be playing lights out at the moment. The GB/Dallas game at Lambeau is going to be the game of the year....but I've got a funny feeling about the Baltimore/Pats matchup as well. Both those games are really hard core rival games...teams have a way of playing over their heads for games like that. I can't put my finger on it...it's just a feeling.
But I'm glad that Dallas and Green Bay will beat the ever lovin snot out of each other while we get to spank the Panthers. Let the true enemies wear each other out before coming to town. We'll take the battle wearied victors. :xbones
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THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!
Joe Cool and crew did it again. He's 5-0 during Wild Card Weekend. And the Ravens now are tied for the most road playoff wins in NFL history with a team that's been around since the 1920s :omg:
Bring on New England!
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It is quite possible that Pitt and Cinci knocked themselves out of the playoffs in week 17.
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THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!
Joe Cool and crew did it again. He's 5-0 during Wild Card Weekend. And the Ravens now are tied for the most road playoff wins in NFL history with a team that's been around since the 1920s :omg:
Bring on New England!
Congrats DOC and....... Let's Get It On!!!!
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Considering the play of both teams right now, I'd rather face Green Bay at home than Dallas. Green Bay is a great team, but I just get the feeling that they are playing a little "beat up" at the moment. Dallas OTOH just seems to be playing lights out at the moment. The GB/Dallas game at Lambeau is going to be the game of the year....but I've got a funny feeling about the Baltimore/Pats matchup as well. Both those games are really hard core rival games...teams have a way of playing over their heads for games like that. I can't put my finger on it...it's just a feeling.
But I'm glad that Dallas and Green Bay will beat the ever lovin snot out of each other while we get to spank the Panthers. Let the true enemies wear each other out before coming to town. We'll take the battle wearied victors. :xbones
While Carolina's knack for doing stupid things will do them in, they always play the Seahawks tough. 12-7 and 13-9 games the last two seasons. Granted, both of those games were in Carolina, but we all know that defense travels well, and given how lights out the Carolina D has been lately, unless the Panthers turn it over at will, I don't Seattle spanking them.
That aside, I agree that Dallas is more likely to go into Seattle and win than GB is, but I am not sure Dallas will be able to win at GB to get to Seattle. This is assuming of course that they beat the Lions today.
It is quite possible that Pitt and Cinci knocked themselves out of the playoffs in week 17.
I think the hit on LeVeon Bell, which was legal, did the Steelers in. Without him, that offense just wasn't the same. But hey, them's the breaks, right? And any time the Steelers lose in the playoffs, it's enjoyable. :biggrin:
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With Aaron Rodgers being All-Pro 1st team for the 2nd time, I thought it'd be interesting to see how many times the guys usually talked about as some of the best QBs ever have all made All-Pro.
Otto Graham - 8 times: 1st team 7 times, 2nd team 1 time
Peyton Manning - 7 times: 1st team 7 times, never 2nd team
Johnny Unitas - 7 times: 1st team 5 times, 2nd team 2 times
Steve Young: 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Brett Favre - 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Dan Marino - 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Joe Montana - 5 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 2 times
Dan Fouts: 4 times: 1st team 2 times; 2nd team 2 times
Drew Brees - 4 times: 1st team 1 time, 2nd team 3 times
Tom Brady - 3 times: 1st team 2 times, 2nd team 1 time
Aaron Rodgers - 3 times: 1st team 2 times, 2nd team 1 time
Bart Starr - 3 times: 1st team 1 time; 2nd team 2 times
John Elway - 3 times: was never 1st team: 2nd team 3 times
I was a little surprised Elway was never 1st team, but then again, he never put up crazy good numbers during his prime thanks to Dan Reeves' conservative style.
And even though Marino often gets dismissed because he never won a ring, he has to be up there in the conversation of best quarterback ever (which is different from most successful quarterback ever).
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With Aaron Rodgers being All-Pro 1st team for the 2nd time, I thought it'd be interesting to see how many times the guys usually talked about as some of the best QBs ever have all made All-Pro.
Otto Graham - 8 times: 1st team 7 times, 2nd team 1 time
Peyton Manning - 7 times: 1st team 7 times, never 2nd team
Johnny Unitas - 7 times: 1st team 5 times, 2nd team 2 times
Steve Young: 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Brett Favre - 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Dan Marino - 6 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 3 times
Joe Montana - 5 times: 1st team 3 times, 2nd team 2 times
Dan Fouts: 4 times: 1st team 2 times; 2nd team 2 times
Drew Brees - 4 times: 1st team 1 time, 2nd team 3 times
Tom Brady - 3 times: 1st team 2 times, 2nd team 1 time
Aaron Rodgers - 3 times: 1st team 2 times, 2nd team 1 time
Bart Starr - 3 times: 1st team 1 time; 2nd team 2 times
John Elway - 3 times: was never 1st team: 2nd team 3 times
I was a little surprised Elway was never 1st team, but then again, he never put up crazy good numbers during his prime thanks to Dan Reeves' conservative style.
And even though Marino often gets dismissed because he never won a ring, he has to be up there in the conversation of best quarterback ever (which is different from most successful quarterback ever).
I'd be curious to see who was picked for first team in the years Elway was second... Remember that as great as he was, he was just in an AFC alongside some great passers. Fouts and Marino leap immediately to mind. If I'm picking my pro-bowl, I'm taking Fouts and Marino over Elway.
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And now for the most bizarre look at the Cowboys/Lions match up you'll ever see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQV4HISN5LI&feature=youtu.be
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I'd be curious to see who was picked for first team in the years Elway was second... Remember that as great as he was, he was just in an AFC alongside some great passers. Fouts and Marino leap immediately to mind. If I'm picking my pro-bowl, I'm taking Fouts and Marino over Elway.
Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Boomer Esiason, and Bernie Kosar immediately spring to mind.
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Montana, Young and Favre were 1st team All-Pro in 1987, 1993 and 1996, respectively, the years Elway was 2nd team.
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Montana, Young and Favre were 1st team All-Pro in 1987, 1993 and 1996, respectively, the years Elway was 2nd team.
Sorry. I guess I was thinking that All-Pro meant these were Pro-Bowl selections, which is separated by AFC-NFC. Is All-Pro something different.
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Yes. To me, while it's still not a perfect system, All-Pro nods are far more relevant when discussing a player's all-time greatness than Pro Bowl nominations. The Pro Bowl is a joke. It's all about reputation and popularity.
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Sorry. I guess I was thinking that All-Pro meant these were Pro-Bowl selections, which is separated by AFC-NFC. Is All-Pro something different.
Same. That's why Neil Lomax, Jim Everett, Lynn Dickey, and Mark Rypien weren't on my list.
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Yes. To me, while it's still not a perfect system, All-Pro nods are far more relevant when discussing a player's all-time greatness than Pro Bowl nominations. The Pro Bowl is a joke. It's all about reputation and popularity.
Well...let's be fair. The rules have changed about how guys are voted in now. But back in the era that we're discussing, wasn't it much more about performance and stats?
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Hard to say. Seems like it was always a majorly flawed process. I remember one year where Jerome Bettis got it as like the 4th alternate in a season where he was only a change of pace back, which turned him into a 6-time Pro Bowler, which sounds better than 5-time Pro Bowler, but when you look at it closer, you realize how bogus the whole process is. Hell, I remember 2003 when LaDainian Tomlinson put up nearly 2,400 total yards, had 100 catches (as a RB!!) and 17 touchdowns, and he did NOT make the Pro Bowl (because four AFC RBs had monster seasons, and he was the odd man out).
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Feel bad for Andrew Luck, the rest of the team is letting him down with some really poor performance :(
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If Indy didn't have Andrew Luck, they'd have no luck at all.
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If Indy didn't have Andrew Luck, they'd have no luck at all.
:facepalm:
:lol
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That Indy defense is killing it.
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I don't think it can be said enough how amazing Andrew Luck is.
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He's elite. No other way to say it.
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Well, I got the right result, but it certainly wasn't as close as I thought it would be.
The announcers are defending Dalton's play, and I'm not sure what to think. To be fair, he *was* missing his top 2 receivers. One the one hand, I saw a lot of overthrown passes, but on the other hand, I saw more than one receiver stop his route (if he'd have kept going, it would have been a perfect pass).
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Wow nice Detroit! :metal
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I CANNOT STAND listening to Troy Aikman.
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Luck is awesome.
Dalton is most certainly not, although I can't hold today against him since A.J. Green didn't play. Not that I think he would have faired much better had Green played. :lol
Detroit looks great early; Dallas does not.
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Detroit is playing defense. Dallas is not. Well, except for that last series.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
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THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE REFS?!
Fucking garbage.
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I shouldn't be but I am shocked at the outcome so far in the Dallas/Lions game.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
I don't know. I can see Detroit upsetting Seattle way more than I can see Carolina doing it.
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I shouldn't be but I am shocked at the outcome so far in the Dallas/Lions game.
Really? Dallas' D did it with smoke and mirrors all year - Dallas' running game kept them off the field a lot - and Detroit has the D-line to make things difficult for Romo, as they are doing. Plus, Dallas has zero home field advantage, so this might as well be a neutral site game.
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Seriously how was that not a running into the kicker call? These refs are fucking shit goblins.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
I don't know. I can see Detroit upsetting Seattle way more than I can see Carolina doing it.
I'm far more worried about Dallas than Detroit. No way Detroit wins at The Clink.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
I don't know. I can see Detroit upsetting Seattle way more than I can see Carolina doing it.
I'm far more worried about Dallas than Detroit. No way Detroit wins at The Clink.
Oh, okay.
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Dallas, this year played a style, a winning style like they never did in the Romo era. You're gut tells you it's still the playoff but my eyes fucked me during the season obviously.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
I don't know. I can see Detroit upsetting Seattle way more than I can see Carolina doing it.
I'm far more worried about Dallas than Detroit. No way Detroit wins at The Clink.
If nothing else, seeing Golden Tate and his tough guy attitude going against his old team and that Seattle D would be fun. Odds are that Stafford would make a few critical mistakes, sinking the Lions' chances, but they are built to beat a team like Seattle.
Dallas, this year played a style, a winning style like they never did in the Romo era. You're gut tells you it's still the playoff but my eyes fucked me during the season obviously.
The Cowboys O-line needs to get it together. Romo is having very little time to throw on most passing plays.
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FUCK
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Exactly what the Cowboys needed, but god damn I can't get over how disgustingly terrible these refs are.
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Seriously how was that not a running into the kicker call? These refs are fucking shit goblins.
He was blocked into the punter and looked like he was already reaching out to him to help him up before even making contact. He literally grabbed the punter's jersey in the stomach area and was pulling him toward himself.
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Oh, and that stat about Stafford being 0-17 against winning teams on the road is dumb and misleading. Why? Well, last year, Detroit won at Dallas, who finished 8-8, but had Dallas won, they finish 9-7 and it counts as another loss on the road against a winning team, but because the Lions won, preventing Dallas from finishing with a winning record, it doesn't factor in. Silly.
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I'd be REALLY HAPPY if I was wrong about the Dallas/Detroit game.
I don't know. I can see Detroit upsetting Seattle way more than I can see Carolina doing it.
I'm far more worried about Dallas than Detroit. No way Detroit wins at The Clink.
Oh, okay.
I sense snarkiness...so I'll be more specific. The Detroit O-Line looks ok so far today, but they have had issues, and I feel pretty strongly that there's no way in hell they can deal with Seattle's D. Not a chance.
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To play devil's advocate, one could ask, if Dez Bryant can't get open against this Lions defense, how are those scrubs the Seahawks call wide receivers gonna get open? :P
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Oh, and the real Jason Garrett is coming out. Ya know, the one who wants to throw all day. 3rd and 2 and you don't run it with your 1,800-yard RB? Yeah, better to keep throwing when your line can't protect your QB today. And then you miss the FG. :rollin :rollin
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Oh, and that stat about Stafford being 0-17 against winning teams on the road is dumb and misleading. Why? Well, last year, Detroit won at Dallas, who finished 8-8, but had Dallas won, they finish 9-7 and it counts as another loss on the road against a winning team, but because the Lions won, preventing Dallas from finishing with a winning record, it doesn't factor in. Silly.
That's a stat that was clearly manufactured for sports news fodder and nothing else. It was brought up during the Green Bay game last week and they were parroting it on the local sports radio this entire week.
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To play devil's advocate, one could ask, if Dez Bryant can't get open against this Lions defense, how are those scrubs the Seahawks call wide receivers gonna get open? :P
Murray is more of a finesse runner, so he's having issues. Lynch is different, and judging from the way Seattle plays, they will use him as a battering ram in the first half, and he won't get a lot, but they will still have to watch him because he's always a threat. By the 2nd half, we start winning the physical game on the line. Lynch starts breaking more against a tired Lions D. Focusing on Lynch is what creates gaps for the Seattle WR's.
EDIT: Add to all this that Seattle scores *at least* one defensive TD. I predict at least one "pick 6" against Stafford.
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Dallas is definitely living up to expectations. Beating themselves like no other team can. 4-0 in December is ancient history.
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At the moment, I'm feeling like my prediction outcomes will be spot on, but the way in which they happen is reversed. (i.e. Indy by two TD's and Dallas in the close exciting game)
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How does that flag get picked up? Jerry Jones call in some favors or what? What a joke.
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Seriously. Indisputable early contact with his head buried so far in Pettigrew's chest he's tasting fresh breast milk.
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Detroit just got completely screwed.
And they STILL might win this game.
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Edited
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It's still blatant interference even if that really did occur.
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The officials seem determined to make sure the Cowboys score a touchdown here.
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I love how on that last defensive hold that was called, there was a clear shot of the official staring right at a Lion d-lineman being held like crazy, yet no flag. Unreal.
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Disgusting.
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Yeah, no shit. If Dallas wins, it'll be the ref's fault. :lol
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Nice hold again on the TD throw.
And hell, I wanted Dallas to win, cause I like seeing Romo shut some of his critics up, but this game is a freaking travesty now. Totally tainted win, if Dallas wins.
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Wow.... that second fumble though.... :lol :lol
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"After further review, the 2nd fumble was recovered by a Cowboy wearing a Lions jersey. Dallas football, 1st down!!"
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LOL Lawrence. Don't get down on the ground. Fumble it first.
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#90, what a fucking dunce. Go down you fucking twatbag little shit goblin.
Also I love how the one time the Cowboys have gotten a call in their favor, y'all are acting like the refs have sided with them all game when that couldn't be further from the truth, and also the fact that the penalties called on the Detroit defense after that non call were all justified.
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#90, what a fucking dunce. Go down you fucking twatbag little shit goblin.
Also I love how the one time the Cowboys have gotten a call in their favor, y'all are acting like the refs have sided with them all game when that couldn't be further from the truth, and also the fact that the penalties called on the Detroit defense after that non call were all justified.
That non call (err call, and mysterious flag picuup) is a complete game changer, and is the type of thing that the league will apologize for this week. Completely inexcusable.
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My theory, and it's pretty weak, is that somebody saw contact going both ways and they decided a non-call was better. It did look like the receiver took the CB down as he was going down. Since we'll see it on replay 2500+ times I'll pay better attention, but that's honestly the only thing I can come up with. I'll also add that if it hadn't been called at all I wouldn't have had a problem with it. While there was contact I didn't think it actually impeded the receiver's ability to play the ball, and I'm honestly sick and tired of any contact being called whether it's meaningful or not.
And a rule I'd like to see changed is the first down on change of possession after two fumbles. You shouldn't be able to profit from coughing the ball up on a sack.
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Wow......
Dems the breaks.
Saturday can't get here soon enough.
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Well look who finally fell on the ball.
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That game reminded me of the Steelers/Seahawks SB or the Lakers/Kings Game 6 from 2002...blatant calls that were clearly wrong that helped one team win. Disgusting.
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LOL Lawence redeems himself with a sack/fumble recovery. As far as the refs are concerned, yeah they made some bad calls in Dallas' favor but you can't totally blame the refs for 17 unanswered points.
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No, but if that obvious interference against Dallas stands, Detroit probably gets at least 3, it becomes 23-17, and then who knows how the rest of the game plays out?
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My theory, and it's pretty weak, is that somebody saw contact going both ways and they decided a non-call was better. It did look like the receiver took the CB down as he was going down. Since we'll see it on replay 2500+ times I'll pay better attention, but that's honestly the only thing I can come up with. I'll also add that if it hadn't been called at all I wouldn't have had a problem with it. While there was contact I didn't think it actually impeded the receiver's ability to play the ball, and I'm honestly sick and tired of any contact being called whether it's meaningful or not.
And a rule I'd like to see changed is the first down on change of possession after two fumbles. You shouldn't be able to profit from coughing the ball up on a sack.
:tup
I like that the announcers after the game (at least a few of them) said the same thing.
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No, but if that obvious interference against Dallas stands, Detroit probably gets at least 3, it becomes 23-17, and then who knows how the rest of the game plays out?
Or Matt Stafford coughs up the ball on the next play from scrimmage and the Cowboys do exactly what they did. I agree about the PI non-call, but it's very rare that I'll concede one call or even one drive determining the game. Dallas had help this time out, but I still think they won the game and deservedly so.
My theory, and it's pretty weak, is that somebody saw contact going both ways and they decided a non-call was better. It did look like the receiver took the CB down as he was going down. Since we'll see it on replay 2500+ times I'll pay better attention, but that's honestly the only thing I can come up with. I'll also add that if it hadn't been called at all I wouldn't have had a problem with it. While there was contact I didn't think it actually impeded the receiver's ability to play the ball, and I'm honestly sick and tired of any contact being called whether it's meaningful or not.
And a rule I'd like to see changed is the first down on change of possession after two fumbles. You shouldn't be able to profit from coughing the ball up on a sack.
:tup
I like that the announcers after the game (at least a few of them) said the same thing.
Which part. I was watching the Brit's coverage.
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I've been flipping between NFL Network and ESPN and it seems that they share the opinion that the refs picking up that flag is as unprecedented as it was absurd.
On top of that, WTF was Dez doing on the field? THAT should have been flagged.
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Exactly.
I can't believe someone still pays Michael Irvin to talk about football. :facepalm: :facepalm:
And even though I think the Lions got screwed, Jim Caldwell is gutless for not going for it on 4th and 1. After the flag was picked up, freaking go for it and get the 1st down. You gotta have balls to win playoff games, and Caldwell showed none.
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Jerry's check cleared
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Jerry's check cleared
Pay to the Order of: Lou Cifer
The amount of: Eternal Soul and 00/100 -------Dollars
Memo: Thanks for the hookers
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Exactly.
I can't believe someone still pays Michael Irvin to talk about football. :facepalm: :facepalm:
And even though I think the Lions got screwed, Jim Caldwell is gutless for not going for it on 4th and 1. After the flag was picked up, freaking go for it and get the 1st down. You gotta have balls to win playoff games, and Caldwell showed none.
I thought they did go for it and got a false start penalty. Therefore, making it 4th & 6? If I'm not mistaken.
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Nah, they pulled that chicken shit Sean Payton thing where they intentionally waste a timeout by gambling on the 1% chance that the defense will bite on a hard count and give them a first down via penalty. It's funny how so many coaches will frivolously piss away a critically needed timeout on something virtually guaranteed to fail yet none whatsoever will go for a game-winning 2-point conversion that has at least a 20% chance. 2-pointers are actually closer to 50 or 60% but I just assumed their success rate takes a hit in a game-on-the-line situation.
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Nah, they pulled that chicken shit Sean Payton thing where they intentionally waste a timeout by gambling on the 1% chance that the defense will bite on a hard count and give them a first down via penalty. It's funny how so many coaches will frivolously piss away a critically needed timeout on something virtually guaranteed to fail yet none whatsoever will go for a game-winning 2-point conversion that has at least a 20% chance. 2-pointers are actually closer to 50 or 60% but I just assumed their success rate takes a hit in a game-on-the-line situation.
They didn't take a timeout though they just took the delay of game penalty.
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I question the reputation of the site itself...but you have to admit it doesn't look good.
The head of officiating was partying hard on Stephen Jones (Jerry's son) bus....
https://deadspin.com/nfl-execs-pissed-that-head-of-officiating-seen-on-cowbo-1618048217
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Nah, they pulled that chicken shit Sean Payton thing where they intentionally waste a timeout by gambling on the 1% chance that the defense will bite on a hard count and give them a first down via penalty. It's funny how so many coaches will frivolously piss away a critically needed timeout on something virtually guaranteed to fail yet none whatsoever will go for a game-winning 2-point conversion that has at least a 20% chance. 2-pointers are actually closer to 50 or 60% but I just assumed their success rate takes a hit in a game-on-the-line situation.
They didn't take a timeout though they just took the delay of game penalty.
That was it. My mistake.
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That PI call then non-call was complete bullshit, and was potentially a game-changer. However, with that being said, I think the Lions were doing a pretty sound job of being their own worst enemy for a lot of the game, and I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that one play/call cost them the game.
But who knows...might have given them some mojo back.
Also keep in mind that I'm speaking as a disgruntled Eagles fan who hates the Cowboys so very, very much, and all I wanted to see today was a Romo meltdown.
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Apparently, on the PI non-call, the umpire said that the line judge (or whichever one had the best view), said that it wasn't really PI but face guarding, which is a penalty in college but not the NFL, but he didn't say it until after the penalty was announced. That's why they picked up the flag.
*shrugs*
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I woke up this morning to the best news ever... Looks like my boys took a HUGE leap to come home.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0105-nfl-la-stadium-20150105-story.html#page=1
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I question the reputation of the site itself...but you have to admit it doesn't look good.
The head of officiating was partying hard on Stephen Jones (Jerry's son) bus....
https://deadspin.com/nfl-execs-pissed-that-head-of-officiating-seen-on-cowbo-1618048217
Living the good life. :tup
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I woke up this morning to the best news ever... Looks like my boys took a HUGE leap to come home.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0105-nfl-la-stadium-20150105-story.html#page=1
Boooo
I mean, no offense personally, but I feel like this is going to end the same way that NFL in LA always ends - with a team being there for a while and then moving away again.
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Boooo
I mean, no offense personally, but I feel like this is going to end the same way that NFL in LA always ends - with a team being there for a while and then moving away again.
I hope not Hef, I grew up watching the Rams here in LA since '69. It's a tough market for sure because mainly of 2 factors.
1. There's just so many things to do here activities wise that if the teams not winning, people find alternatives.
2. We have so many transplants from across the nation who bring with them their hometown allegiances. Diluting the hometown pool of fans.
I've always thought the best scenario for LA would be an expansion team, that might sway some of the old time transplants to start fresh with a new team. That being said, as an old time Rams fan who died a bit inside when that shrew took them away from us, it seems fitting that they are coming home. I'll be in line for season tix ;D
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Boooo
I mean, no offense personally, but I feel like this is going to end the same way that NFL in LA always ends - with a team being there for a while and then moving away again.
I hope not Hef, I grew up watching the Rams here in LA since '69. It's a tough market for sure because mainly of 2 factors.
1. There's just so many things to do here activities wise that if the teams not winning, people find alternatives.
2. We have so many transplants from across the nation who bring with them their hometown allegiances. Diluting the hometown pool of fans.
I've always thought the best scenario for LA would be an expansion team, that might sway some of the old time transplants to start fresh with a new team. That being said, as an old time Rams fan who died a bit inside when that shrew took them away from us, it seems fitting that they are coming home. I'll be in line for season tix ;D
Don't forget the traffic. Seems like Hollywood Park would have the exact same problem the Colosseum had.
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Any scenario is bad, some are worse. The proposed Farmers downtown stadium would have been the absolute worst. You'd have a football stadium, the convention center, Staple center, and Nokia Live all compact in one small area. At least with Inglewood you have a less congested area compared to downtown. Plus 2 freeway access instead of 1. The best scenario I think was the city of Industry proposal, next to a 3 freeway interchange. For me, I'll deal with traffic to have my team back. I dealt with it in Anaheim ( I wasn't driving yet when I saw them at the Colosseum in the 70's). They might tie in the Metro link for a complex that big also!
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The Rams belong in L.A. It was stupid for them to move. Then again, the Cardinals belong in St. Louis. Send them back where they belong and put an expansion team in Phoenix. :biggrin:
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Any scenario is bad, some are worse. The proposed Farmers downtown stadium would have been the absolute worst. You'd have a football stadium, the convention center, Staple center, and Nokia Live all compact in one small area. At least with Inglewood you have a less congested area compared to downtown. Plus 2 freeway access instead of 1. The best scenario I think was the city of Industry proposal, next to a 3 freeway interchange. For me, I'll deal with traffic to have my team back. I dealt with it in Anaheim ( I wasn't driving yet when I saw them at the Colosseum in the 70's). They might tie in the Metro link for a complex that big also!
The CoI proposal (which is still on the table, I thought) seemed like the winner. I also liked the in-Earth construction they had planned up. While HP is great real estate and certainly big enough for a complex like that, it just seems completely inconvenient unless you're going to fly SWA to and from each game (which I'm sure many will do).
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The CoI proposal (which is still on the table, I thought) seemed like the winner. I also liked the in-Earth construction they had planned up. While HP is great real estate and certainly big enough for a complex like that, it just seems completely inconvenient unless you're going to fly SWA to and from each game (which I'm sure many will do).
That's a great point. Looking at the proximity of LAX it could be REAL easy for out of towners to get in and out easily. For me, traffic to Inglewood (my birth city ;D ) isn't too bad from Huntington Beach. I'll be one of the first in line for season tix if this really happens. It will also, the whole complex, bring a lot of jobs and growth/revitalization to the area.
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Yes, but traffic around LAX makes it miserable for locals no matter where in the L.A./O.C. area you are coming from.
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Yes, but traffic around LAX makes it miserable for locals no matter where in the L.A./O.C. area you are coming from.
Not as bad now since they built the 105. I can go 105 east to the 110, or south on the 405. Yeah there will be traffic, but there are levels of traffic that us Angelinos can handle :lol On a Sunday afternoon, I can deal with it. Still overall a better plan than downtown at the Farmers site...man, that would be really brutal! Can you imagine downtown LA, a Rams game, a Lakers or Kings game, a Nokia event, and convention stuff? WOW...crazy brutal right there!
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So does this mean that the Rams are coming for sure? If so, good that L.A. gets them back, but it sucks that St. Louis will once again lose a team. They need their Cardinals back.
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I just don't see why California needs 4 teams. That's just too much and it's ridiculous honestly.
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I just don't see why California needs 4 teams. That's just too much and it's ridiculous honestly.
That's a pretty ridiculous statement, honestly. :lol It's not about how many teams a given state has. California has six urban areas of close to 2,000,000 or more, with L.A. being the second largest in the country, behind New York City. There are quite a few metropolitan areas smaller than L.A. that have teams. If the population supports it and there is a market for a team, it does not (and should not) matter what state they happen to be in.
Honestly, given how large California is, both geographically and population-wise, it is interesting to me that they only have 3 teams. Take a slice of the U.S. the same size in the north east and you have 7: Patriots, Jets, Giants, Bills, Eagles, Ravens, and Redskins. Or even moving that same sized slice down to the less populated south east, you still have 5: Dolphins, Jaguars, Bucs, Falcons, and Panthers. Still not fair? Okay, let's take a California-sized slice of the Midwest then. That will surely help your argument, because that only gives us...Vikings, Packers, Bears, Lions, Colts, Browns and Bengals. Well...shoot.
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So does this mean that the Rams are coming for sure? If so, good that L.A. gets them back, but it sucks that St. Louis will once again lose a team. They need their Cardinals back.
I don't think anything is 100%. But here for the first time in 20 years you have an NFL Owner willing to shell out his own $$ for a stadium in LA, absolutely no tax payer dollars for the whole complex (80,000 Stadium, 6000 seat entertainment venue, shopping etc...). I think the NFL would be crazy to not approve it, same with the city of Inglewood. They're projecting this complex will bring in excess of 1 billion and create 40,000 jobs. Now, St. Louis is going to give it their best counter offer on Friday, but I think it's going to be too little too late. I also empathize for the St. Lou fans, I know EXACTLY what it feels like to have my team taken from me. Nothings guaranteed....but I'm starting to get really excited!! My Dad, went to all the Rams games as a kid in the late 40's and 50's. I went to games in the 70's at the Colosseum and 80-90's at the Big A.
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I just don't see why California needs 4 teams. That's just too much and it's ridiculous honestly.
That's a pretty ridiculous statement, honestly. :lol It's not about how many teams a given state has. California has six urban areas of close to 2,000,000 or more, with L.A. being the second largest in the country, behind New York City. There are quite a few metropolitan areas smaller than L.A. that have teams. If the population supports it and there is a market for a team, it does not (and should not) matter what state they happen to be in.
Honestly, given how large California is, both geographically and population-wise, it is interesting to me that they only have 3 teams. Take a slice of the U.S. the same size in the north east and you have 7: Patriots, Jets, Giants, Bills, Eagles, Ravens, and Redskins. Or even moving that same sized slice down to the less populated south east, you still have 5: Dolphins, Jaguars, Bucs, Falcons, and Panthers. Still not fair? Okay, let's take a California-sized slice of the Midwest then. That will surely help your argument, because that only gives us...Vikings, Packers, Bears, Lions, Colts, Browns and Bengals. Well...shoot.
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I would think more people would support the Rams because of the old fan base than an unknown expansion team. But it's still all talk at this point, same old shit we've heard before.
And if they do move, I vote for a re-branding. Leave the navy and gold in the STL.
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And if they do move, I vote for a re-branding. Leave the navy and gold in the STL.
Actually, that's where I would disagree. The navy and gold originated in L.A., so if the team goes back, bring the entire thing back.
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:metal
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His last 5 playoff QB ratings are unreal.
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And if they do move, I vote for a re-branding. Leave the navy and gold in the STL.
Actually, that's where I would disagree. The navy and gold originated in L.A., so if the team goes back, bring the entire thing back.
I'd argue that they were blue and yellow in L.A. Didn't the navy and metallic gold come in STL?
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Oh, okay. That's fine. I thought you were speaking generally about their color scheme.
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ESPN's John Carlson just said on the radio that they are also thinking about moving the Chargers up to LA. That would be an interesting move. I've always heard that San Diego has never been that great about supporting the team...even though they feel a bit like a mainstay, and they do have their hard core people. I'd certainly feel a bit better about moving them than Oakland.
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Back to the infamous Dallas/Detroit no-call: I was initially silent and did not chime in because I was biased in favor of wanting Detroit to lose, and it was a close enough call that I was not completely convinced that my opinion was not tainted by my bias. But having read a breakdown of the play and the applicable rules by Kevin Seifert that confirms what I thought was the correct series of events, even though the specific no-calls were in some respects incorrect, and even though it was clumsily handled, the net result was 100% correct.
The four potential penalties that should have been called:
1. Defensive holding on Hitchens: He grabbed Pettigrew's jersey outside of 5 yards. Should have been called. No flag was thrown. This wasn't even on the radar, so the refs likely didn't see it. But it should have been called if seen.
2. Offensive pass interference/face mask by Pettigrew: Pettigrew clearly grabbed Hitchens' face mask and held on for dear life. I had been wondering why no one mentioned this. It was a clear-cut face mask penalty and should have been called. It could be argued that it is also pass interference that prevented Hitches from playing the ball in the first place. But either way, a face mask penalty would offset the defensive holding that should have been called.
3. Defensive pass interference: A bit subjective, but I don't believe it should have been called. No, Hitchens was NOT playing the ball. But he also did not cause the contact. The contact appeared to be caused by Pettigrew attempting to stop and by Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens' face mask, which partially prevented Hitchens from doing the same. Good no call, but this one is close.
4. Dez Bryant running onto the field to protest the call: Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1(j) prohibits "removal of a helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player." His helmet was off already before he entered the field of play. Yeah, it violated the spirit of the rule. But it didn't violate the rule. Good no-call.
So what should have happened, ideally, is offsetting penalties of defensive holding and offensive face mask, and no flag for pass interference or for...whatever the name of the penalty against Bryant would have been--resulting in 4th down. So, yeah, the refs mishandled it. But it was still the correct net result.
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I would think more people would support the Rams because of the old fan base than an unknown expansion team. But it's still all talk at this point, same old shit we've heard before.
And if they do move, I vote for a re-branding. Leave the navy and gold in the STL.
Stan Kronke owns the rights to the "Los Angeles Rams" brand TM as well as the "St. Louis" Rams brand TM. It would be absurd to think the city of St. Louis could have rights to the name and or colors. The Rams spent 48 years in Los Angeles, then 20 in St. Louis. As far as colors...again, he owns ALL the rights for the Rams. Personally? I hate the new millenium colors. Back to the LA Blue and Gold would be quite fitting if the move is pulled off.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-st-louis-rams-trademark-los-angeles-20150105-story.html
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Yeah, if the Rams move it would be nice to see blue and yellow again.
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Pack over Cowgirls
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Yeah, if the Rams move it would be nice to see blue and yellow again.
While on that subject...this was my score from Mrs. Clause this xmas.......
Jack Youngblood signed/authenticated jersey
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New Era 1991 Signed Henry Ellard cap...
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Yeah, if the Rams move it would be nice to see blue and yellow again.
While on that subject...this was my score from Mrs. Clause this xmas.......
Jack Youngblood signed/authenticated jersey
New Era 1991 Signed Henry Ellard cap...
Both of those are awesome.
I would love to see the Rams go back to that color scheme full time, regardless of where they play.
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So I had my Tuesday's Manager conference call today and asked everyone besides the Symrna site if they were enjoying the playoffs. I threw gasoline on the fire. :lol They started to smack talk and I reminded them that they were all out of the playoffs. :biggrin:
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With any luck, the Patriots will be as well by the time Saturday is over. :biggrin: :coolio
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:lol
Wishful thinking Kev. *Pounds Chest like a gorilla *
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Saw this in another forum, this is too much
https://www.amazon.com/Gronking-Remember-Gronkowski-Erotica-Series-ebook/dp/B00RN7TNHE
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Saw this in another forum, this is too much
https://www.amazon.com/Gronking-Remember-Gronkowski-Erotica-Series-ebook/dp/B00RN7TNHE
I saw this too on a local sports radio host's Facebook page. :lol
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Saturday at Foxboro, High of 19 , low in the single digits. Football weather.
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Saturday at Foxboro, High of 19 , low in the single digits. Football weather.
Should be epic!
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Saturday at Foxboro, High of 19 , low in the single digits. Football weather.
You gonna be there?
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Nope. This is the first year I have not gone to a game since 1986.
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My picks for this weekend's games
New England over Baltimore 38-20.
Seattle over Carolina 29-3
Dallas over Green Bay 28-21
Denver over Indy 31-21
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DOC, no way the Pats win by 18. It will be close.
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DOC, no way the Pats win by 18. It will be close.
Healthy Gronk? Best Pats defense in years? Worst Ravens defense in years? To me, it all adds up to a big win for the Pats. I also think that Flacco will throw at least two picks.
I know that games aren't played on paper, and anything can happen....so I'll be hoping for the best. But I'm thinking New England is about to go on a little redemption run of their own, beating the last two teams that knocked them out of the playoffs, on the way to Arizona.
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There's something to a team that can get pressure with 4. It's the Pats kyrptonite. The O line has been very poor of late. I think that is the equalizer.
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There's something to a team that can get pressure with 4. It's the Pats kyrptonite. The O line has been very poor of late. I think that is the equalizer.
It's certainly the Ravens best chance.
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I still think the Pats will win but as for most of the games, it will be a close battle.
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I still think the Pats will win but as for most of the games, it will be a close battle.
We shall see. I'm just thankful to see the Ravens consistently in the hunt.
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Same! I was a season ticket holder for the 1-15 Rod Rust year in N.E. I always wondered how the SF fans felt being in the hunt year after year. I don't think I'll see this locally ever again. Hell! A 4 major sports have had a great run here in Boston.
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I think the Ravens win tomorrow.
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I think the Ravens win tomorrow.
I hope you are wrong.
I love the anticipation of game day!
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I think the Ravens win tomorrow.
I hope you are wrong.
We'll see, but the Magic 8 Ball was pretty certain.
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Oh, I think it's more of some teams match up well against others and the Ravens have proven it on our own field. It's the O-line that has to step up today or it's a long day.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the Magic 8 Ball.
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I have to be drunk to believe the magic 8 Ball.
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I have to be drunk to believe the magic 8 Ball.
I always believe it when asking questions about the Patriots.
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Now you're just messing with me you internet gypsy.
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Sadly, I think DOC will be right. I think NE wins by double digits. Yes, the Ravens are 2-1 against the Brady/Belichick-Patriots in the playoffs, but Gronk didn't play in either of those losses, and the Ravens don't have Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice and Anquan Boldin anymore. Or Bernard Pollard. :biggrin: :lol Plus, NE has Revis now, too. It's true that the Ravens are a battle-tested squad that are always well-coached, but I think they will run into a buzz saw today.
Oh, and the last time the Patriots and Ravens play, New England won 41-7.
My pick for the upset this weekend is Dallas. They play better on the road than at home, and I fear that Rodgers calf injury is gonna hamper him enough to make a difference. I hope I am wrong.
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I'd like to see Dallas win for all the soap opera drama. Can you imagine the smack talk between Seattle and Dallas?! :lol Hell Jerry Jones would chime in. :lol
Bernard Pollard. How dare you Kev. :lol I hate that guy.
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I think the Panthers are more likely to win than the Cowboys are (assuming Rogers plays).
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I think the Panthers will hang in there and give Seattle a fight to the finish, for the most part, but Carolina's knack for making dumb mistakes will cost them dearly against the Seahawks.
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Oh, and the last time the Patriots and Ravens play, New England won 41-7.
In the Ravens' defense, Flacco did play that game with a sprained MCL. I'd say they're a much better team now than they were at the end of last season. If Flacco plays as well as he did against Pittsburgh, I expect Baltimore to win today.
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When I was in Boston this past week I listened to WEEI a little bit and it was amusing to see their hatred of the Ravens. As a WFAN listener I'm mostly used to the anti-Patriot stuff so it was interesting hearing it from the other end.
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I'm not sure that was a catch or not, but I damn sure didn't see anything to overrule the call on the field. That side judge had a perfect view and was pretty emphatic in his call.
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Well, this game is certainly going to my satisfaction thus far.
Sorry, king.
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I think Eddleman might have kept Giesele from becoming a widow on that TD run.
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Great, surprising start by the Ravens.
What is not surprising is that Tom Brady can still scream in a ref's face and get no flag. :\
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Jesus, even after a TD pass, Brady turns to the official to cry about something. He is whining after nearly every play. Someone get him some Kleenex. :lol :lol
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Eh, the second touchdown probably cheered him up, Kev.
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My heart can't take it. Damn Ravens at so damn tough.
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Maybe, but he still turned and bitched to the official about something, even after the score.
Gronk with 4-90 already. He is so obviously the MVP of that offense. Without him, they'd struggle all day.
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After the Cowboys-Lions game, would you trust the officials?
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After the Cowboys-Lions game, would you trust the officials?
Absolutely. I'd trust them to be human with the usual mistakes that entails, and I'd trust them to be professional and call the game honestly to the best of their abilities.
And Christ, that was an ugly throw.
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Tom, wtf. You cost us points. Also that was not pass interference.
And now 7 points. Fuck Tom.
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Tom, wtf. You cost us points. Also that was not pass interference.
And now 7 points. Fuck Tom.
I think PI and IC are terribly overcalled this year, but that was absolutely pass interference.
And since I watch the game slightly delayed I guess I should treat this thread as a spoiler. TD just happened on my end.
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That was as much of a penalty as when Amendola just ran into a DB and flopped, and got a call for illegal contact. Baltimore is just taking NE's lead. :lol :lol
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Flacco is absolutely amazing in the playoffs. That throw before the half a beautiful.
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Kev. Show me where Tom Brady touched you.
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Haha. You wish he would touch you. ;) :biggrin:
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Did Katy Perry just call Lenny Kravitz a guitar god?
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I still wouldn't know who Katy Perry is if her face randomly popped up on the screen. For realz.
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Haha. You wish he would touch you. ;) :biggrin:
:lol He is rich.
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Tom Brady is the rich white bitchy athlete that other people hate. Kind of like Christian Laettner back in the day. Duke fans loved him, and everyone else in America hated his fucking guts.
That's how Brady is for me. Mostly because of things like the way he's acted in tonight's game.
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The was a bad no call PI on Gronk.
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The was a bad no call PI on Gronk.
It sure wasn't a good one.
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The was a bad no call PI on Gronk.
Eh, that was just like the play in the 2nd where Owen Daniels was hit a bit just before the ball got there, but no flag came out.
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Fudge.
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Torrey Smith is an idiot.
That aside, Gary Kubiak is calling a masterful game. As good as NE's D was this year, he seems to know where every weakness is and is attacking them.
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Patriots are going to need one of those big ST plays to eek out a win here.
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Well that was interesting.
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Holy Shit!!
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Amendola finally earning the money they gave him.
I think NE wins this now. Baltimore has to be demoralized, having blown two 14-pt leads.
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And now the interception.
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Damn, perfect execution and a good bit of fortune. Balt was off balanced to begin with and then got flustered when JE motioned to the week side. Not sure that would have worked with a more conventional D scheme.
And Collinsworth is right. That has to have been in the book for 5 years now. Everybody knew he was a QB in college.
And fuck yeah Devin McCourty.
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Wasted opportunity.
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....what the hell just happened?
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Revis Island? Not tonight.
And how dense is Collinsworth about it? Several times, he talked about how Revis had great coverage on Smith on that pattern down the left sideline in the first half, ignoring the fact that he had safety help over the top.
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This is a great game.
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YEEEESSSSS!!!
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YEEEESSSSS!!!
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That was one of the better playoff games of the last few years.
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Not surprised how close it was. What a game.
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Intentional safety would have been shrewd. Burn an extra second or two, avoid the possibility of a block and get a free kick afterward.
Great fucking game.
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Intentional safety would have been shrewd. Burn an extra second or two, avoid the possibility of a block and get a free kick afterward.
Right, but any kind of good return could set them up for a FG, and Justin Tucker has a MONSTER leg.
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Intentional safety would have been shrewd. Burn an extra second or two, avoid the possibility of a block and get a free kick afterward.
Right, but any kind of good return could set them up for a FG, and Justin Tucker has a MONSTER leg.
Certainly, and the consequences of that field goal move from meaningless to game over. Yet a block or a bad snap have equally dire consequences. A free kick from the 20 gives you a lot greater safety margin, and without timeouts BAL is looking at putting up a bomb anyway, except this one also has to get out of bounds. Belichick plays the odds, and far be it from me to question the guy's estimation of them. Just wouldn't have surprised me if he thought the safety gave him a slight edge.
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Seahawks up 14 - 10 at the half.
I'll take it.
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Just got home from my friends house. I expected it to be a close game but to come back being down 14 points twice was amazing. Brady's interception before the half and not capitalizing from Flacco's interception I thought would be the back breaker. One hell of a game.
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I think the Panthers are more likely to win than the Cowboys are (assuming Rogers plays).
I hope they both win, then the NFC championship will be in Dallas. :biggrin: Possible but probably not very likely.
Well, it's practically impossible now. :facepalm:
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This is just......fun. ;D
EDIT: I have to ask every Niners fan here. Is this what a dynasty feels like? :angel:
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I wouldn't jump the gun yet, but they are on track to repeat. Like I said a while back, I don't think anybody is gonna beat them in this postseason.
Oh, and that Russell Wilson fella continues to vindicate my pimping of him as a top QB. Right now, he is in that top tier of NFL quarterbacks, or in the top tier of best ones after Aaron Rodgers. He is just money.
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Also, it is worth mentioning that Seattle has gotten really lucky with the way things have panned out. They backed into the division title after Arizona lost their top two quarterbacks, got home field cause of a 3-way tiebreaker, and managed to get to the NFCCG by beating a team that made the playoffs despite finishing under .500. Now that I don't think they couldn't have ran the table going on the road, but luck has really been on their side lately. But hey, luck is usually a small part of the equation when it comes to winning multiple titles, so that's how it goes.
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Poor Flacco. If only that last pass was a foot shorter...
Seahawks!!! But yea, that was a sub .500 team. We'll see what they can do next weekend.
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DIT: I have to ask every Niners fan here. Is this what a dynasty feels like? :angel:
No, see a dynasty is when a team dominates in the post-season for a long, sustained period of time (i.e. more than one season + one game). See, e.g. 1980s-'90s 49ers, '00s-'10s Patriots, etc.
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I think 3+ titles in a decade or less coupled with no other team equalling or outperforming yours titlewise during that stretch is the bare minimum. Had the 9ers not done what they did during the Montana/Rice era, the Redskins woulda just been able to sneak in imo even though the closest of their two titles were in a 5-year span. Every other case since the 60s is very clear cut as far as the difference between dynasty and just a good contender goes. For these reasons, I consider the post-Montana 9ers elite contenders but definitely not a dynasty.
Beyond this, we have the tricky 50s where both the Browns and Lions won 3 in 6 years (CLE 1950-55, DET 1952-57.) If just one team had 3 and the other 2, you could plausibly call the 3-time champion a dynasty but it just doesn't make sense when it's clearly a 2-dog race.
As for the Seahawks? Even winning this year doesn't do it as there have been numerous repeat champs and most were able to tie it into dynasties with a pre-existent title(s) or a later title, but the Shula Dolphins and Elway Broncos are prime examples of teams that just didn't have staying power after that second title.
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It was a good run for the Panthers, but their talent level relative to the Seahawks is not high enough to enable them to survive the kinds of mistakes they made last night. A couple of defensive breakdowns and a couple of turnovers on offense. Against a lesser team, sure, but not against an elite team like Seattle. Congrats to the Seahawks and their fans, great team.
Panthers need a left tackle and some good, fast receivers in the offseason. Then we'll see what happens.
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Even a 2nd consecutive title is not a dynasty. And with Wilson getting paid this coming offseason, it will be difficult to keep every piece in place, so we will see what happens. But they have a great chance to be a dynasty. Killer D, top young QB, well-coached...that is a scary combination.
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Seattle has that perfect combination that Kev pointed out. A great D and a QB that you have confidence that can handle anything thrown at him.
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If anything will be their undoing in these playoffs, it will be the fact that they are rather undisciplined at times; they commit a ton of penalties every game.
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Though, if you look at the past SB winners, they are always up there in penalties for the year. I think I'll take the aggressiveness on the defense and deal with the penalties.
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Very true. A lot of those defensive penalties might give their opponent easy 1st downs, but driving down the field on them slowly is extremely difficult, and even though they might you give a cheap 1st down or two, they'll stop you on the next set of downs, and that aggressiveness, which is the reason they get those penalties, is why.
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The Ravens got hosed by Goodell's merry band of pin-striped clowns. The rules clearly state the defense must be informed if there are changes made to who the eligible receivers are. That clearly did not happen, but I get a certain amount of satisfaction knowing that the Bellicheats couldn't just line up and beat the other team without resorting to stuff like this (and I don't even like the Ravens.) If they get to the SB the Seahawks (assuming they beat GB) will destroy them.
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The Ravens got hosed by Goodell's merry band of pin-striped clowns. The rules clearly state the defense must be informed if there are changes made to who the eligible receivers are. That clearly did not happen, but I get a certain amount of satisfaction knowing that the Bellicheats couldn't just line up and beat the other team without resorting to stuff like this (and I don't even like the Ravens.) If they get to the SB the Seahawks (assuming they beat GB) will destroy them.
I didn't know Marshall Faulk was a member of DTF.
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GB has to beat Dallas first.
And even though I dislike the Patriots, I see nothing wrong with what they did. Deception? Sounds like smart coaching to me. This reminds me of when Jim Haslett used to bitch about the trick plays Mike Martz used to fool him with during the Rams/Saints games of the early 00s. John Harbaugh is a terrific coach, but he needs to get over it.
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The Ravens got hosed by Goodell's merry band of pin-striped clowns. The rules clearly state the defense must be informed if there are changes made to who the eligible receivers are. That clearly did not happen, but I get a certain amount of satisfaction knowing that the Bellicheats couldn't just line up and beat the other team without resorting to stuff like this (and I don't even like the Ravens.) If they get to the SB the Seahawks (assuming they beat GB) will destroy them.
Come now Dream Team. I bet you never complain about the shotgun or no huddle yet you cry about this.
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At the very least it's a funny coincidence that Belichick and the Patriots are being accused of cheating AGAIN :lol The word just seems to surround them.
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Can't help but not post this. Sorry DOC.
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The Ravens were informed. The ball was just snapped before they could realign for it. :lol
I have no doubt the league will craft a rule to prevent what the Patriots did last night, but until then if it's not illegal then it's just good, innovative coaching--not cheating. Aewsome coaching, in fact. I doubt that the 4 man OL formation would have bothered anybody at all except in conjunction with their hurry-up. The two combined made for an absolute nightmare. That's also why Harbaugh ran onto the field crying, drawing that penalty. According to him he "had to draw a penalty" to inform of the refs of what was going on, who told him that the there was nothing stopping the Ravens from doing the exact same thing.
I always wonder how many oddball things like that Belichick has available that he only uses in crisis situations like last night. Did they craft that this last week, or have they had it as an option for years and just now found a situation important enough to try it out?
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I'm on the "good coaching" side. Take whatever you can to win. This isn't a middle school pop warner thing, this is the pros.
Picked both the winners yesterday, hoping for GB and Denver to pull it out today for a clean sweep.
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Congrats to kingshmegland and any other Patriot fans that may be around. That was a HELL of a game, and I'm thrilled that the Ravens were up to the challenge and didn't get blown out. All the credit goes to New England for making subtle adjustments as the game went on. I don't share Coach Harbaugh's sentiments on the "deception". Instead I give Brady, Edelman, and McDaniels credit for completely owning our secondary.
As for Flacco, 4 TDs and 2 picks. I think he played well, but made a terrible mistake on that second pick. Hopefully he learns from it. But for now....
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The Buffalo Bills have signed Rex Ryan to be their next Head Coach. Interesting choice, considering how Jim Schwartz already has that defense humming, and that the two of them run different bases. We'll see how this pans out.
If I were Rex... I would have kicked down the Falcons' door. They've already got a potentially prolific offense in place, and a franchise QB as well. Hopefully Ryan gets his hands on one of them up in Buffalo, because the team is on the rise.
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DIT: I have to ask every Niners fan here. Is this what a dynasty feels like? :angel:
No, see a dynasty is when a team dominates in the post-season for a long, sustained period of time (i.e. more than one season + one game). See, e.g. 1980s-'90s 49ers, '00s-'10s Patriots, etc.
I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
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Why in the world would Rex go to another situation with no QB?
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Why in the world would Rex go to another situation with no QB?
I think his ego still wants to get the best of Bill Belichick, and becoming the Bills head coach keeps him in the AFC East.
I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
Some like to extend the 49ers dynasty to include the '94 championship, but I don't. That was a very different team than the ones that won four titles in the 80s.
Similarly, if the Patriots win a title this year, I would not include it with the 2001-2004 dynasty. Except for Brady and Belichick, the team is completely different.
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I for one am incredibly excited. Reports are indicating that he'll be going after Roman from the 49'ers for OC, which I could be cool with, other fans I've noticed would rather have this Trestman guy but I haven't really looked into him yet. The Bills just need to beef up the O-line really, I feel like this year will be EJ's true year of showing what he's got. Under Marrone and Hackett's unimaginative, uninspired, and limp offensive scheme, it just wasn't going to happen. If Rex Ryan can get a team that consists of Mark Sanchez and a good defense into the playoffs, I don't see why the Bills can't make a run for it provided we pick up the O-line pieces like I mentioned above.
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Aaron Rodgers' calf if clearly hurt pretty bad; he cannot move around well at all. Dallas will win this, and honestly, as someone who wants to see good championship games, I almost hope they do. GB with a hampered Rodgers would get crushed by the Seahawks. You know Dallas will give them a game.
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How was that not an incomplete pass?
Edit: sack.
Edit: what a catch by Cobb.
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This game is still close enough to go either way. Especially after that 6 point swing before the half.
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They really need to stop playing these No More commercials. They're beyond irritating.
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They really need to stop playing these No More commercials. They're beyond irritating.
Totally agree with you there.
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How was that not an incomplete pass?
Edit: sack.
Edit: what a catch by Cobb.
Shadows, there wasn't a clear moment that the ball was shown touching the ground. Looked incomplete, but I figured the play would have stood no matter which way they had called it initially.
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No team in the entire NFL scares me more than Dallas right now.
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To be honest, if Dallas wins this and has to go to Seattle, the Seahawks are pretty scary. They are playing better now than they did when Dallas beat them there in the regular season.
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To be honest, if Dallas wins this and has to go to Seattle, the Seahawks are pretty scary. They are playing better now than they did when Dallas beat them there in the regular season.
This is all true. The Seahawks are certainly (IMO) the hottest team in the NFL...and right now I feel like we can (and probably will) beat anyone in our way. I just feel pretty strongly that Dallas is the biggest threat to a potential repeat.
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More calls helping Dallas...
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Looks like both teams here are determined to keep it a close game.
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Let's put it this way. It's pretty obvious that Rodgers is not playing at 100% at the moment. I think that if the Packers manage to pull this out, we will absolutely KILL them when they come up here. But Dallas has a much more balanced attack, and a pretty good defense. If Dallas comes up here, someone is going to win a very close dogfight. It will most likely be decided on whether or not Seattle's D scores on a turnover or not.
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Yeah, they were talking about that last night. GB would probably not fair as well in Seattle as Dallas would.
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Aaron Rodgers is a fucking boss!!!
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Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that AR will get the MVP.
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Aaron Rodgers is a fucking boss!!!
So is Dez Bryant!
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Oh that actually might get reversed via the Megatron rule.
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I'm a bit surprised that it was overturned...I think it was one of those plays that wasn't clear enough to overturn the call no matter what they called.
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The refs giveth and the refs taketh away.
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Getting into Mid-January, and this WR rookie class is still making the case for greatest of all time.
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The call was reversed based on the ball hitting the ground. Bryant never should've tried the stretch his arm forward unless he was certain it would cross the plane of the GL.
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The call was reversed based on the ball hitting the ground. Bryant never should've tried the stretch his arm forward unless he was certain it would cross the plane of the GL.
Even if he would have gotten the ball across the goaline, it still would have been incomplete.
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God damn it. Fucking Cowboys. :(
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The call was reversed based on the ball hitting the ground. Bryant never should've tried the stretch his arm forward unless he was certain it would cross the plane of the GL.
Even if he would have gotten the ball across the goaline, it still would have been incomplete.
Yeah, you're right. Bryant should've secured the catch at all costs. Difference in the game. Also, Packer's defense was better and Rodgers is a genius in recognizing when to get rid of the ball and where to throw it. Romo held on to the ball for way too long when he did have some open receivers at times. Hat's off to GB. They played better.
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Yeah, I was calling for a challenge, there. Not sure I like the rule, but it is what it is. If I'm not mistaken, if he had fully extended it might have not been overturned, right? He didn't really seem to extend fully, just brace. Possibly was extending, but wasn't clear.
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best shot of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/Tt1OoHr.jpg)
also this idiot keeps walking onto the field without a helmet, which is against the rules. please flag this idiot.
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Yeah, I was calling for a challenge, there. Not sure I like the rule, but it is what it is. If I'm not mistaken, if he had fully extended it might have not been overturned, right? He didn't really seem to extend fully, just brace. Possibly was extending, but wasn't clear.
Like DoC said, it wouldn't have mattered because it was a pass play and the ball wasn't secured throughout the catch.
also this idiot keeps walking onto the field without a helmet, which is against the rules. please flag this idiot.
That won't draw a flag because it's only a penalty if the helmet is removed during a play on the field. He did the same thing last week and it wasn't flagged for that reason.
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Just watched the play that got reversed and honestly, trying to put aside that I was going for the Cowboys, looks to me like he caught it.
That being said, what's done is done, guess we can expect the Seahawks at the Superbowl which ain't a bad thing after all.
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I guess I'm hoping that the Colts can make a run to the SB now. Luck is the only QB remaining who doesn't have a SB yet. He's good enough to deserve a SB win but I'm not sure about the team around him. They may not be quite there yet.
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I guess I'm hoping that the Colts can make a run to the SB now. Luck is the only QB remaining who doesn't have a SB yet. He's good enough to deserve a SB win but I'm not sure about the team around him. They may not be quite there yet.
The team around him is definitely not which is a damn shame. Would love to see it happen though!
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Yeah, I don't think their defense is good enough yet but Luck will guide then to a SB or 2 no doubt.
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Seeing Chuck Pagano win a Super Bowl would by far be the coolest thing that could happen at this point.
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Just watched the play that got reversed and honestly, trying to put aside that I was going for the Cowboys, looks to me like he caught it.
That being said, what's done is done, guess we can expect the Seahawks at the Superbowl which ain't a bad thing after all.
It's the rule. The number of steps, that he had it secured, it doesn't matter. If the whole process is going to the ground this rule comes into play. It can look like a catch and legally be incomplete. This is why they sometimes talk about holding that ball all the way till play is dead. If you fall due to making a catch, you have to maintain it.
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Just watched the play that got reversed and honestly, trying to put aside that I was going for the Cowboys, looks to me like he caught it.
That being said, what's done is done, guess we can expect the Seahawks at the Superbowl which ain't a bad thing after all.
It's the rule. The number of steps, that he had it secured, it doesn't matter. If the whole process is going to the ground this rule comes into play. It can look like a catch and legally be incomplete. This is why they sometimes talk about holding that ball all the way till play is dead. If you fall due to making a catch, you have to maintain it.
It looked like he maintained it, he caught it, made a football move, went down and it popped out after he went down, to me that seems like a catch. What's done is done, I'm not here to argue or hissy fit that it didn't go the way I feel it should have... Packers won, there's no changing that.
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The ball hit the ground and popped up in the air. That's it.
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And I don't agree with that, but it's all good because the game's over and I'm now hoping the Colts go up against the Seahwaks in the Superbowl :)
I also have the Bills picking up Rex Ryan to be happy about :)
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I also have the Bills picking up Rex Ryan to be happy about :)
Does not compute.
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I also have the Bills picking up Rex Ryan to be happy about :)
Does not compute.
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A defensive minded HC for one of the best defenses in the league this year along with Shorts who he has history with? And he's looking to pick up Roman from the 49'ers who seems like a good choice to me? Yeah I'm pretty happy with the new owners today.
The fact that Nathan Hackett and Marrone are gone should be reason enough to be happy lol.
Bills still need to beef up the O-line, and next season is the year where the Bills find out whether EJ is a bust or not, but I don't know, things are only going up for the Bills if you ask me.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And screw you, John Fox. He apparently has no clue how to get a team ready to play a playoff game. The entire team looks flat. That's on coaching.
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They're trailing because Peyton fumbled.
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And the vaunted Broncos pass rush has been non-existent.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm glad to see I'm not alone :lol
Definitely gotta give major props to Rodgers though.
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Peyton's definitely perfected the Kaepernick x+10 yards throwing distance formula.
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It was technically the correct call, but it's a stupid ass rule.
And that was a great sequence...Demaryius drops an easy catch on 2nd down, and Peyton throws an atrocious-looking ball on 3rd down. :facepalm:
I've said this already, and I'll say it again: this could be the end of Peyton Manning. Since the Rams game, he has looked...not right. I think Father Time has finally caught him.
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A lot of penalty calls are pretty stupid. They're getting closer and closer to flag football every year.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm glad to see I'm not alone :lol
Definitely gotta give major props to Rodgers though.
Um, I think Kev is not with you. Not liking a rule is not the same as disagreeing with the call. I don't like the rule a whole lot, either.
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That awful INT is why I say Luck is not as great as Wilson. You never see Wilson commit turnovers that wretched.
It's sad to see Peyton go out like this, but it is what it is. Unless the Colts goof this up badly, they should win and go on to New England next week.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm glad to see I'm not alone :lol
Definitely gotta give major props to Rodgers though.
Um, I think Kev is not with you. Not liking a rule is not the same as disagreeing with the call. I don't like the rule a whole lot, either.
Man, you are on me like a hawk today aren't you? It's fine, the Packers won the game, it's done. Kev said it was the right call but also how in the world do you not call that a catch. It's going to be okay.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm glad to see I'm not alone :lol
Definitely gotta give major props to Rodgers though.
Um, I think Kev is not with you. Not liking a rule is not the same as disagreeing with the call. I don't like the rule a whole lot, either.
Man, you are on me like a hawk today aren't you? It's fine, the Packers won the game, it's done. Kev said it was the right call but also how in the world do you not call that a catch. It's going to be okay.
How do you not call it a catch... hmm, maybe because by the rules it's clearly not a catch? I know that's a distant possibility, but the one I'm gonna have to go with. Argue for the rule to be changed, but the officials made the right call in reversing the catch based on the current rules.
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^ Right Nick. Even AR said in his PC referring to the Calvin Johnson rule, "how is that not a catch?" It really is a stupid rule as a lot of people have said, but according to the rule, it was the right call. As long as it's still a rule, players need to understand it. Hopefully Dez Bryant learns from it.
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I hate that rule. Bryant took 3 steps with possession. How the blank is that not a catch? Stupid. Granted, GB probably comes down and wins or ties it anyway, but still. That stupid call is now gonna overshadow an all-time great performance by Aaron Rodgers. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm glad to see I'm not alone :lol
Definitely gotta give major props to Rodgers though.
Um, I think Kev is not with you. Not liking a rule is not the same as disagreeing with the call. I don't like the rule a whole lot, either.
Man, you are on me like a hawk today aren't you? It's fine, the Packers won the game, it's done. Kev said it was the right call but also how in the world do you not call that a catch. It's going to be okay.
...maybe I hadn't seen that post when I replied?
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The problem again is Bryant had possession and got three steps down. THREE. It's almost like, you could catch a ball, stumble for 10 yards and avoid go down, and then go down eventually and have the ball come loose, and they'd call it no catch. Two feet down and possession should be enough. The rule is terrible.
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^ Right Nick. Even AR said in his PC referring to the Calvin Johnson rule, "how is that not a catch?" It really is a stupid rule as a lot of people have said, but according to the rule, it was the right call. As long as it's still a rule, players need to understand it. Hopefully Dez Bryant learns from it.
He said that when he originally saw Johnson's non catch he said, "how is that not a catch?" He followed that up by saying the rule has been known for awhile, now, so he knew it was an incomplete right away when seeing the replay today.
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:lol
What part of "Oh well, Packers still won" do some of you not get?! Y'all are making it out like I'm fucking pissing and moaning about that decision when all I said is that I didn't agree with it! I get what the rules are. I think they're pretty flawed, in Dez Bryants case, he got the extremely short end of the stick, and that that should be a catch. Packers still won, so I'm over it, and there's football to be watched and news pertaining to other teams I like to look at!
And since Kev managed to post before I finished this, I agree 100% with what he said.
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By the rules they called it right but I think we all can agree it's a terrible rule.
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The problem again is Bryant had possession and got three steps down. THREE. It's almost like, you could catch a ball, stumble for 10 yards and avoid go down, and then go down eventually and have the ball come loose, and they'd call it no catch. Two feet down and possession should be enough. The rule is terrible.
I believe you are correct, you could stumble a long ways and it would still apply.
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Where is Denver's pass rush?
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1977
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So.. this will be overturned, as the ground caused the fumble.
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1977
:lol
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God Mike Carey is an idiot.
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Where is Denver's pass rush?
This is the 2nd time in three years a highly ranked Broncos defense came out looking pathetic in a divisional round game following a bye. Good going, John Fox. :tdwn :tdwn
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Where is Denver's pass rush?
This is the 2nd time in three years a highly ranked Broncos defense came out looking pathetic in a divisional round game following a bye. Good going, John Fox. :tdwn :tdwn
John Fox has been Denver's own worst enemy since he got there....
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Tell me about it. His W/L record is inflated now, thanks to Peyton Manning, who even got Jim Caldwell to a 14-2 season once, but his flaws as a head coach have been really glaring in each postseason he has been the head coach in Denver.
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Wow.... terrible "tackling" by various Colt defenders on that crucial play.
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Wow, embarrassing for the Colts, there.
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"It was a season saving run, maybe."
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Looking like Peyton's 9th one-and-done. If not for XLI, he'd be the Marty Schottenheimer of QBs.
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I'm not putting this loss on Manning... but still lol'd at this:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10923692_857529047627118_7616808075403246633_o.jpg)
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I'm not putting this loss on Manning... but still lol'd at this:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10923692_857529047627118_7616808075403246633_o.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Despite that, I'm also not putting the loss totally on Manning, though this was another poor performance where he didn't help much and was a shell of his regular self.
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Peyton Manning is the bomb.com, but he really needs to hang it up and call it a day. While this loss was not his fault(entirely) he just doesn't look like his former self anymore, which sucks to see. :(
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AWE YEAH. Bring on the Colts!!
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Just looking at social media, the amount of glee people take at ripping a class act like Peyton Manning is symbolic of how pathetic society has become. It's almost like some are ecstatic to watch him lose. Such a negative world we live in now. :tdwn :tdwn
I think he is done, and we should all appreciate having gotten to watch one of the best football players we'll ever see. :coolio
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Just looking at social media, the amount of glee people take at ripping a class act like Peyton Manning is symbolic of how pathetic society has become. It's almost like some are ecstatic to watch him lose. Such a negative world we live in now. :tdwn :tdwn
I think he is done, and we should all appreciate having gotten to watch one of the best football players we'll ever see. :coolio
Yeah, I've long thought he was a choker, but he's still one of the top QB's of all time and and a class act. I've got nothing but respect for the guy. Sad that this might well have been his last game.
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People get too stuck on think wins and losses are all about the quarterback. It is what it is. The media has trained most to think that way, and the sheep just run behind them and go with it.
Just think if we did that with running backs? Barry Sanders was one and done in 80% of his postseasons? And once ran 13 times for -1 yard in one playoff game? What a choker!!!! :lol :lol
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People get too stuck on think wins and losses are all about the quarterback. It is what it is. The media has trained most to think that way, and the sheep just run behind them and go with it.
Just think if we did that with running backs? Barry Sanders was one and done in 80% of his postseasons? And once ran 13 times for -1 yard in one playoff game? What a choker!!!! :lol :lol
It's not entirely about the W/L. It's the performance of the player. In this case the loss was on the entire team, but at the same time, if Payton had played half as well as he's capable of, was the rest of the team bad enough that they wouldn't have won easily? Payton plays below his own standards in the post season. I think a good PM game is enough to win that one. In this sense I measure choking as a player against his normal level of performance.
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I don't think today was choking. He's played like that for six weeks now. We have seen the rapid decline of him right in front of our eyes. But ultimately:
-Super Bowl champion
-Super Bowl MVP
-5-time MVP
-7-time 1st team All-Pro
-Countless records
Not bad.
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I do look at the him in Indy and how they were to powerful on one side of the ball and now how that affected Brady since winning 3 Superbowls.
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He is absolutely one of the greatest of all time. While he did have a bonehead pick in overtime against the Ravens two years ago, that loss falls on Rahim Moore's shoulders for blowing coverage on that deep pass, and on Fox for not giving Manning a chance to drive at the end of the 4th.
The next year, you know, the one where he was the no-brainer MVP after one of the greatest offensive seasons in NFL history,I don't think any QB in NFL history was gonna beat Seattle on that night, behind that offensive line. Again, not on Manning.
Tonight..... total team loss.... but most of the blame has to go to Denver's pass rush, or lack there of. If Luck could be tricked into throwing 2 pretty bad picks under virtually no pressure.... imagine what might have happened if he was running for his life.
Peyton Manning... one of absolute greatest of all time. No question.
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There have been definite cracks in the armor this year, but overall he's still been good. I think he should hang it up. I don't want to see him come out next year and the wheels completely have fallen off. His post-season reputation is what it is. He's never been as awful as some might say, but he's certainly not the same player. Top 5 all-time QB, nonetheless.
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Peyton Manning... one of absolute greatest of all time. No question.
I certainly agree and I hope nobody's thinking I'm arguing otherwise. At the same time I think we're one ring away from talking about Peyton in the same context as Montana, and that's currently a big leap. The guy just doesn't play as well in crucial games.
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I, for one, don't mind players that stay past their 'time' in sports. The way I see it, if they love it and someone wants to pay them, they either take their last shot or never get another.
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True, but I think last year was his last best shot, and it's just unfortunate that they ran into the buzzsaw that was the Seahawks on that day.
40-12 and a Super Bowl appearance over three seasons was pretty awesome for Broncos fans. We didn't get a Super Bowl win, but it was a helluva ride. :hat
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Where is Denver's pass rush?
This is the 2nd time in three years a highly ranked Broncos defense came out looking pathetic in a divisional round game following a bye. Good going, John Fox. :tdwn :tdwn
John Fox has been Denver's own worst enemy since he got there....
That is the same thing that most Panthers fans thought about him when he was here.
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So...Indy vs NE....Luck and their defense are good, but are they good enough??? I don't know about that.
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Well, seems destined to be a Pats/Hawks super bowl, and that should be a fucking doozy man.
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Likely? Sure.
...but how long do sports have to be going on before we learn words like 'destiny' are best avoided until after the fact? :lol
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Still pulling for the Majkowski Bowl.
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Likely? Sure.
...but how long do sports have to be going on before we learn words like 'destiny' are best avoided until after the fact? :lol
Don't you dare deny my god given right as an American man to blindly guarantee future sporting event outcomes!!!!
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Still pulling for the Majkowski Bowl.
:lol Think he'd be invited?
Likely? Sure.
...but how long do sports have to be going on before we learn words like 'destiny' are best avoided until after the fact? :lol
Don't you dare deny my god given right as an American man to blindly guarantee future sporting event outcomes!!!!
Oh, no, I'm not trying to deny the right to be stupid.
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Thank you, sheesh!!!
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Still pulling for the Majkowski Bowl.
:lol Think he'd be invited?
Of course. Heart wrote a song about him for god's sake.
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I loved the Magic man!! :metal
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Hoping for Green Bay/Indianapolis.
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Hoping for Green Bay/Indianapolis.
Hope you're wrong on the AFC. :biggrin:
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Hoping for Green Bay/Indianapolis.
Hope you're wrong on the AFC. :biggrin:
I know you do. But I love you anyway.
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*Reach around*
Seattle is the only team that scares me for the obvious reason.
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*Reach around*
Seattle is the only team that scares me for the obvious reason.
The thing that is scary about them is that you absolutely can't make a mistake against them. They aren't the kind of team that just slaughters people, but they just take advantage of mistakes better than any team I've seen in recent memory. And they don't make too many mistakes on their own.
If Green Bay goes in there and wins, Aaron Rogers will be the fucking man.
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Amen. I love how efficient Seattle is. I also love how aggressive they are. That's how you win championships.
Think of the last 3 coaches for the Pats.
Bill Parcells
Pete Carroll
Bill Bellichick
and I thought Carroll got screwed by the GM at the time Bobby Grier.
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He is absolutely one of the greatest of all time. While he did have a bonehead pick in overtime against the Ravens two years ago, that loss falls on Rahim Moore's shoulders for blowing coverage on that deep pass, and on Fox for not giving Manning a chance to drive at the end of the 4th.
The next year, you know, the one where he was the no-brainer MVP after one of the greatest offensive seasons in NFL history,I don't think any QB in NFL history was gonna beat Seattle on that night, behind that offensive line. Again, not on Manning.
Tonight..... total team loss.... but most of the blame has to go to Denver's pass rush, or lack there of. If Luck could be tricked into throwing 2 pretty bad picks under virtually no pressure.... imagine what might have happened if he was running for his life.
Peyton Manning... one of absolute greatest of all time. No question.
Looks like news is coming out that Peyton has been playing with a torn quad since the Chargers game . . . lol at all the gambling addicts who this impacted.
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I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
Some like to extend the 49ers dynasty to include the '94 championship, but I don't. That was a very different team than the ones that won four titles in the 80s.
Similarly, if the Patriots win a title this year, I would not include it with the 2001-2004 dynasty. Except for Brady and Belichick, the team is completely different.
Interesting. I have always considered it part of the same dynasty. Yeah, you obviously had a lot of turnover on the team during that time, including a coaching change from Walsh to Siefert and a QB change from Montana to Young, but there was also a definite continuity to the team as well in terms of team identity and performance (the only year from '81 though '94 when they didn't have a winning record was '82, and the only other year they did NOT make the playoffs was '91, when they were still 10-6). Honestly, I wouldn't have really thought of NOT considering that entire stretch part of the "dynasty." Same with the Patriots' run, in my opinion.
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So bosk1, if the Pats and Seahawks win this weekend are you a Pats fan for 1 game?
Reason I ask is I've always had a hard time pulling for a rival and always root for the other team. Some are able to separate that but I cant.
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So bosk1, if the Pats and Seahawks win this weekend are you a Pats fan for 1 game?
Absolutely. I would even get a heart with Tom Brady's name in the center tattooed on my arm if I thought it would help.
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I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
Some like to extend the 49ers dynasty to include the '94 championship, but I don't. That was a very different team than the ones that won four titles in the 80s.
Similarly, if the Patriots win a title this year, I would not include it with the 2001-2004 dynasty. Except for Brady and Belichick, the team is completely different.
Interesting. I have always considered it part of the same dynasty. Yeah, you obviously had a lot of turnover on the team during that time, including a coaching change from Walsh to Siefert and a QB change from Montana to Young, but there was also a definite continuity to the team as well in terms of team identity and performance (the only year from '81 though '94 when they didn't have a winning record was '82, and the only other year they did NOT make the playoffs was '91, when they were still 10-6). Honestly, I wouldn't have really thought of NOT considering that entire stretch part of the "dynasty." Same with the Patriots' run, in my opinion.
Agreed. Sure the Pats haven't won the Super Bowl since '04, but the made the AFC Championship in '06, the Super Bowls in '07 & '11, and next week will be their 4th consecutive AFC Championship.
Perhaps Dynasties are only defined by Championships, but it's still a hell of a good run.
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From Tom Brady's Facebook:
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
Yeah, just heard that. Interesting. Said it was mutual.
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The tag from ESPN:
The Broncos, who had a Super Bowl-or-bust mentality, and head coach John Fox are parting ways, a source said.
Can we all just agree as football fans that the phrase "Super Bowl-or-bust mentality" is stupid and should never be uttered? I don't think anyone who plays or coaches in the NFL truly has any such mentality. And if they do, they are so OBVIOUSLY off-base that anyone in their right mind knows enough to not take them seriously.
Sorry.
/rant
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
You should see some of the idiots on the Bills facebook page whining that we should have waited a couple of days for him :rollin
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
You should see some of the idiots on the Bills facebook page whining that we should have waited a couple of days for him :rollin
Can't blame 'em. I'm not sure who would be worse between him and Rex, but they both seem like terrible choices.
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
You should see some of the idiots on the Bills facebook page whining that we should have waited a couple of days for him :rollin
Can't blame 'em. I'm not sure who would be worse between him and Rex, but they both seem like terrible choices.
I think Rex is a great choice, the Bills biggest strength is their defense, and Schwartz and Rex have a history together. And then Roman coming over from the 49'ers? I'm liking it.
Anything is better than Marrone and Hackett, and it looks like the Bills owners did a good job.
Rex Ryan is a name that'll carry weight and could convince players to play in Buffalo when they might not have before, the players are all excited about it, Kiko Alonso :zydar: comes back next season, and I don't know but I'm pretty glad with what the Bills have done so far in their offseason.
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We'll certainly see if this works out. I hope it does, as I'd love to see Buffalo become contenders again.
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And then Roman coming over from the 49'ers? I'm liking it.
I dunno, man. In the last 4 years, the 49ers offense has been their Achilles heal.
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And then Roman coming over from the 49'ers? I'm liking it.
I dunno, man. In the last 4 years, the 49ers offense has been their Achilles heal.
He has a super bowl appearance with you guys, is good with Run offenses which will work with the Bills and EJ has a much much much better attitude than Kaepernick.
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I don't dispute the first two points. But many blame him for the play calling that lost the Super Bowl (and other games), and that includes play calling that inexplicably departed from the run game a good portion of this year, which contributed to their losing record. Maybe he just wasn't a good fit for this system and will work out great for you guys. But, much like Fox in Denver, a LOT of people here had been calling for his head for a long time and believe that the '9ers won in spite of him rather than because of him.
As far as Kaep's attitude, you probably wouldn't know it if you aren't local and only see his limited post-game interaction with the media, but the kid has always had a STELLAR attitude toward just about everything. ...except media appearances. For whatever reason, he picked up Harbaugh's media persona last year going forward and really did a disservice to his image by doing so. So I can understand the perception of him not having a great attitude, but that's not the case at all.
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I keep in touch with Bay Area sports since I'm a Sharks fan ;)
Kaep just comes off like one big headache
Also... let's not forget that you've said that Russell Wilson comes across like a jerk/total idiot so I'm not too sure I can trust your character judgement :P
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Yeah, I completely understand and respect sticking up for the local guy but bosk your feelings about Wilson and Kaep are completely the opposite of what the rest of the sports world thinks.
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I wouldn't judge any player's personality based solely on their "media persona." Answering those questions, right after a tough loss, an exhilirating win, or on the way to the lock room at halftime must be maddening.
Rex Ryan is a name that'll carry weight
:biggrin:
Oh, and no way I would have thought the Hawks had a chance to repeat 2 months ago. Such a hard thing to do in today's NFL. But put it on the books now. Hawks beat the Pats in 3 weeks, not as bad as they whupped Denver, but not a nailbiter either.
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Yeah, I completely understand and respect sticking up for the local guy but bosk your feelings about Wilson and Kaep are completely the opposite of what the rest of the sports world thinks.
Oh, really? I was not aware that you were the designated representative of the rest of the sports world, but I stand ready to be educated on what the rest of the sports world thinks of Kaepernick. You have my full attention.
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I think that the overall view is that Kap has regressed and Wilson has steadily improved.
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I think that the overall view is that Kap has regressed and Wilson has steadily improved.
Yes, but I would like to hear from the sports world's designated expert on Kaep's attitude.
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Rejoice Bronco fans..... John Fox is gone!!!
Thank God.
Looks like news is coming out that Peyton has been playing with a torn quad since the Chargers game
Not surprised at all. He hasn't looked right for a while.
I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
Some like to extend the 49ers dynasty to include the '94 championship, but I don't. That was a very different team than the ones that won four titles in the 80s.
Similarly, if the Patriots win a title this year, I would not include it with the 2001-2004 dynasty. Except for Brady and Belichick, the team is completely different.
Interesting. I have always considered it part of the same dynasty. Yeah, you obviously had a lot of turnover on the team during that time, including a coaching change from Walsh to Siefert and a QB change from Montana to Young, but there was also a definite continuity to the team as well in terms of team identity and performance (the only year from '81 though '94 when they didn't have a winning record was '82, and the only other year they did NOT make the playoffs was '91, when they were still 10-6). Honestly, I wouldn't have really thought of NOT considering that entire stretch part of the "dynasty." Same with the Patriots' run, in my opinion.
The thing is though, Brady is the only player left from their last championship team. I'm not sure how many 9ers were left in '94 from the '89 championship team, but I'll bet it wasn't that many.
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One other Kev, Vince Wilfork.
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Ah, right. So that's two. :lol :lol
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:lol
Well that goes to show the lifespan of a football player. I can never complain about a player " getting his money".
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I don't remember the 9ers being a dynasty in the 90's. That was Dallas.
Some like to extend the 49ers dynasty to include the '94 championship, but I don't. That was a very different team than the ones that won four titles in the 80s.
Similarly, if the Patriots win a title this year, I would not include it with the 2001-2004 dynasty. Except for Brady and Belichick, the team is completely different.
Interesting. I have always considered it part of the same dynasty. Yeah, you obviously had a lot of turnover on the team during that time, including a coaching change from Walsh to Siefert and a QB change from Montana to Young, but there was also a definite continuity to the team as well in terms of team identity and performance (the only year from '81 though '94 when they didn't have a winning record was '82, and the only other year they did NOT make the playoffs was '91, when they were still 10-6). Honestly, I wouldn't have really thought of NOT considering that entire stretch part of the "dynasty." Same with the Patriots' run, in my opinion.
The thing is though, Brady is the only player left from their last championship team. I'm not sure how many 9ers were left in '94 from the '89 championship team, but I'll bet it wasn't that many.
Yeah, I know. But just to look at it from a different perspective: A "dynasty" from the political perspective is where you have a continuity, usually through a family bloodline, of successors running the political show. It doesn't mean the same cast of characters down through the ages. It just means a continuity of bloodline and/or ideology that is passed down. In my mind, there is definite continuity in the case of the '9ers and Pats. Now as far as I know, there is not a specific definition for "sports dynasty," but the analogy I gave seems valid in my mind. If you disagree, cool, but I thought I would just expand a bit on why I see it differently.
And by either way of looking at it, the Seahawks are by no means a dynasty (although, as young and talented and well-coached as that team is, we could very well be witnessing the start of one for them). :biggrin:
Regarding Manning, it does not surprise me to learn that he was injured. But I AM surprised that it was his quad. It looked like he had no arm strength/control by the middle of the game. On local sports radio this morning, one of the hosts was saying, "Why was Peyton playing with a cement football?" And it hit me how dead-on that was. He was putting EVERYTHING he had into throws that looked like they had no velocity. It really bummed me out. He has been one of my favorite players for a long time (and one of only two non-'9ers whose jersey I own), and I hate to see him going out like this. I was probably just as bummed about them losing yesterday as I have been about the 49ers' season.
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I don't either. I sometimes wonder why players leave great franchises for bad ones (see: anyone going to the Raiders :lol :lol), but I suppose you've got to make your money while you can. I guess I just like at it like, when you are making that much money, does it matter? Why not stay with a great franchise where you have a chance to win and still make enough cash to be set for life?
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I see your point about the dynasty thing.
As for Manning, I was not the least bit surprised by them losing. And no, not because "OMG PEYTON'S A CHOKER, HE ALWAYS LOSES IN HIS FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF GAME." :lol :lol I had said it here and to countless people in real life (see: not the internet :biggrin:) that Manning was not right and that my expectations for the Broncos in the playoffs as a result were low. I had probably six or seven people ask me last week, "The Broncos gonna win this week?" And every time, I just honestly shrugged and was like, "I don't know." The writing was on the wall. It didn't help that I had zero faith in John Fox to where I thought he'd get the defense to win a playoff game. The minute the Colts went up 14-7, I knew it was over. I never for a second thought they'd win once they fell behind. Not with how bad both Peyton and the D looked. Sad too that C.J. Anderson's great effort last night was wasted. That 4th down run was freaking awesome, but all for naught.
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I think the staff are every bit as important a component of the dynasty as the players. While both players and coaches have left NE over the past 14 years, it's still essentially the same team. It has the same identity and culture. It still uses the same base O and D that Belichick installed when he took over (along with Weiss and Crennell). Compared to most teams very little has changed other than the names of the people there. Still a dynasty, AFAIC.
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Well....I think we all saw this coming. I don't think he'll be on the market for too long...
DC Jim Schwartz out at Buffalo
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12158322/jim-schwartz-return-buffalo-bills
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Now this is neat!
A 12-Year-Old Wrote a Letter to Each NFL Team – And Only This One Responded
https://gma.yahoo.com/12-old-wrote-letter-nfl-team-only-one-013717748--abc-news-topstories.html
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That's cool.
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Jerry is awesome.
You're not bad either, bosky.
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Pretty much all Jerrys are cool.
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Pretty much all Jerrys are cool.
(https://www.celebritiesfans.com/pictures/jerry_lewis.jpg)
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Pretty much all Jerrys are cool.
Jerry Sandusky is soooooooooo cool. He's hella cool.
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:bosk1:
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Pretty much all Jerrys are cool.
Jerry Sandusky is soooooooooo cool. He's hella cool.
Hey, that's nothing to um..kid about.
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What a childish joke
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Take a shower, will ya?
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I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed that *NO ONE* else responded. I don't know too much about any of the other owners, but I do know that Paul Allen (whether or not you like the rest of the Seahawks staff) is a really down to earth and very all around nice guy. (some of you may or may not know that he was Bill Gates partner in starting up Microsoft) He seems like the type of guy who would have normally been all over something like this...but maybe he just never got it.
But really, a standing ovation to the owner of the Panthers. Seriously a class act...and just an awesome gesture.
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Pretty much all Jerrys are cool.
Jerry Sandusky is soooooooooo cool. He's hella cool.
You're kidding, right?
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
OF COURSE I AM!
Holy cow! Imagine anyone backing him up? No way in hell!
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This video shows what they're planning to do for Atlanta's new stadium. Looks awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKP7FaiqEE
And congrats to Del Rio for the hometown gig.
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This video shows what they're planning to do for Atlanta's new stadium. Looks awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKP7FaiqEE
Love how the fly through shows off the Champion's Lounge.
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And congrats to Del Rio for the hometown gig.
I have to admit that I chuckled today when I heard this. It's the Raiders being the Raiders, hiring a recycled guy who has shown to be a mediocre head coach (under .500 in nine years in Jax). Del Rio is probably just tickled that any team wanted him as a head coach.
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49ers promoted Tomsula to the head coach position. Not sure how I feel about it. He is a GREAT coach, well respected, and knows the organization (especially the defense) inside and out since he was here even before Harbaugh. But he has never been in a head coach role, so I am not sure how he will do. And if Fangio leaves, we will have to hire BOTH coordinators. One upside to promoting from within is that, hopefully, this will indeed mean continuity rather than a rebuilding. But we will see...
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Sounds like ownership wants continuity.
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Champion's Lounge.
Sounds like they're counting their falcons before they hatch.
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Champion's Lounge.
Sounds like they're counting their falcons before they hatch.
Or is that just their name for the champagne room?
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Sounds like ownership wants continuity.
In a sense, yes. But then given that it sounds like the entire rest of the coaching staff except for Rathman at RB coach are going to be cut loose. So I dunno. Interesting times. Not sure if this is going to work out or not, and I would not be surprised if the answer to that question really did not start to materialize until the end of this year (or later).
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That's a big mistake on their part. If you bring an outside coach then I understand him bringing in his own guys but if most of the staff is gone I think that will set the team back for next year.
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So the Bears go from Smith, to Trestman, to Fox. I think they were better off with Smith.
And Doug Marrone got this party started by hopping up off his chair. Will he have one to land on when the music stops?
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All of a sudden, championship weekend doesn't have me all that excited. Patriots? Eh... Packers don't have a chance. Come to think of it, neither do the Colts but I'm hoping for an upset by both underdogs.
Hawks/Pats SB = Boooooring.
Colts/Pack SB = Interesting, but highly unlikely.
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Colts vs. Seahawks = just right
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At this point, New England and Seattle would be by far the best match up. And if we get that, and Seattle owns Brady like they did Manning last year.... even more fuel for the GOAT argument.
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Getting all jacked and pumped for the game Sunday. Here's a pic of my wife and myself at the Pats/Indy game in 2007. WOOT!!
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/AFBC9BBF-10B8-4D48-AE13-E1B755619E14_zpsdqgdowqo.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/AFBC9BBF-10B8-4D48-AE13-E1B755619E14_zpsdqgdowqo.jpg.html)
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That was a hell of a game to go to. If I remember correctly, they were both still undefeated.
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Moss made that incredible, one handed grab. It was a nail biting game.
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Getting all jacked and pumped for the game Sunday. Here's a pic of my wife and myself at the Pats/Indy game in 2007. WOOT!!
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/AFBC9BBF-10B8-4D48-AE13-E1B755619E14_zpsdqgdowqo.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/AFBC9BBF-10B8-4D48-AE13-E1B755619E14_zpsdqgdowqo.jpg.html)
Awesome shot, Joe. :tup
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Cool picture, despite those disgusting jerseys. :biggrin:
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:lol
Kev. We walked around outside drinking Colts Blue Daiquiris!
Btw, here in N.E. Though Brady is not talking, word is he was flipping out on the ground last week because he was eye raked and in interviews this week, his eye is bloodshot. It looks bad.
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Sounds made up. Like, it's Patriots fans way of exaggerating his performance last week, as if he is not great enough already. "OMG, THE RAVENS ALMOST POKED HIS EYE OUT AND HE STILL BEAT THEM!!" I'm no doctor, but if he had been eye-raked that bad to where his eye was bloodshot days later, he would have had a legit difficult time seeing and finishing that game. I'm not saying nothing happened, because we all know the Ravens love to straddle the line that divides rough play and dirty play, but it sounds like it's being exaggerated.
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Well it's being leaked and it's obvious who leaking it.
I've got to find the pick of this guy on Indy in a stormtrooper uniform painted Colts Blue. It was amazing.
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Kev, just for you from that 2007 trip to Indy. :lol
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_1312_zpsd70caaff.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/IMG_1312_zpsd70caaff.jpg.html)
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:lol :lol, that's pretty funny. How did that guy get out of the stadium alive? Oh yeah, it wasn't Philly... :biggrin:
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Well it was in him home stadium so...... :lol
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Well it was in him home stadium so...... :lol
Like that would stop fans in Philly :lol
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:lol
OH SHI........ :lol
I always found the Jets fans in Foxboro to be the worst. I've head of all the stories about the SB against Philly but I haven't been dumb enough to watch a game there.
Though I wore a Red Sox hat in Yankee Stadium and that's a whole other story! :lol
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I think SEA/NE would be a good one. Two great QBs, but Hawks have the defense advantage.
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I think SEA/NE would be a good one. Two great QBs, but Hawks have the defense advantage.
That was my pre-season prediction, and I also thought at the time (and still do) that if there is a team that can beat Seattle in the SB it's NE. I thought then (and still do) that's a really big if.
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As much as I don't care for the Patriots or Seahawks, I'm kind of rooting for that match up just because I want to see Belichick and McDaniels' game plan for that vaunted Seattle defense. I feel like if Indy were to somehow get by NE and ran into Seattle in the SB (which I HIGHLY doubt they'll even come close to doing), they would get blown out much like Denver did.
My predictions for tomorrow:
New England 34 - Indianapolis 23
Seattle 30 - Green Bay 17
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Regardless of what happens, this is a lot of fun, and this entire era is going to be one heck of a ride.
Seattle is a HUGE sports down, but the only teams we've ever had a reason to be this pumped up about were the 78-79 Championship Sonics. Although the mid 90's Sonics and Mariners gave us a lot of things to cheer about as well. The Seahawks have only ever had a brief glimmer of hope in the early 80's, and then that Super Bowl run in '05. It's not like New York or Chicago or Boston where you usually have at least one sport team that's going to make a decent run almost every year.
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I think SEA/NE would be a good one. Two great QBs, but Hawks have the defense advantage.
That was my pre-season prediction, and I also thought at the time (and still do) that if there is a team that can beat Seattle in the SB it's NE. I thought then (and still do) that's a really big if.
I feel the same way and that is because of how good Seattle's D is.
It's not like New York or Chicago or Boston where you usually have at least one sport team that's going to make a decent run almost every year.
Not always true in the 90's. Those were some lean years.
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For which city? Chicago Bulls got their second "threepeat" in the 90's.
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I think he's referring to Boston, which had some lean years in the 90s, but considering how the 21st century has gone for them, they are the fans who should complain the least. :lol :lol
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Hey, Hey Kev! :lol
I was in Foxboro with 20,000 fans for the 1-15 Rod Rust Era.
How about them Celtics too? Ooops.
Red Sox in the late 90's were good.
Bruins, oh boy. As the decade went on they got bad.
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Really excited for these games tonight, especially as BBC are carrying commentary of them. Us British NFL fans who aren't of the Sky Sports elite rely on radio commentary for our weekly fix, and no station took it up this year.
Anyway, I'm going Seahawks over Packers, mainly because GB were so unconvincing last week. You don't start kneeling with a full 1:40 left without something being wrong. A sign of not being able to take any more of the immense pressure that Dallas were putting on them. They barely scraped over the line.
The other game's a bit tougher to call. I think I'm going for the Colts. It'd be great to see Luck in the Super Bowl, especially after such a short time in the game. The next generation taking the crown.
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I am pulling for Green Bay and Indianapolis. But I assume my hopes will be dashed in both games.
If that happens, I will certainly be rooting for Seattle against the Demon Horde from the Northeast.
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<------Demon Horde from the Northeast
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Tom's Facebook Page pic from last night.
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I am pulling for Green Bay and Indianapolis. But I assume my hopes will be dashed in both games.
If that happens, I will certainly be rooting for Seattle against the Demon Horde from the Northeast.
You and me both.
Anyway, I'm going Seahawks over Packers, mainly because GB were so unconvincing last week. You don't start kneeling with a full 1:40 left without something being wrong. A sign of not being able to take any more of the immense pressure that Dallas were putting on them. They barely scraped over the line.
Huh? GB started kneeling cause they had a 1st down and Dallas had no timeouts, so they could kneel several times and kill the rest of the clock. That is pretty standard in the NFL.
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I'm pulling for the Packers and the Patriots. Can't stand the Colts, personally.
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I hate the Colts and Pats, but I'd rather the Colts win.
Pulling for Seattle to win it again. I like the Packers but damn them for winning against Miami this year.
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I've got Seattle beating Green Bay 27-17, and New England beating Indy 34-14
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I'm saying 24-10 Seattle and 38-20 NE.
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Both seem right with your scores. Great beer is chilled. Making Potato Skin Pizza for the party.
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Seattle vs Green Bay: Wilson meets Rodgers for NFC Championship throwdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfS_CjMU52Q
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Huh? GB started kneeling cause they had a 1st down and Dallas had no timeouts, so they could kneel several times and kill the rest of the clock. That is pretty standard in the NFL.
To me it was a sign of weakness. They killed the clock because they couldn't handle any more pressure from Dallas. They could've moved the ball down and tried for more points. Either way, GB were nowhere near their best last week.
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I agree that GB really didn't look their best last week, and I think it was a miracle that they got by Dallas. Dallas was the team that had the best shot of beating Seattle, and they were the team I was most afraid of. We are going to kill Green Bay. Seattle by at least 10 points.
I'd like to see Indy scare the crap out of NE, but I don't think it will happen. The Pats by 2-TD's.
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Huh? GB started kneeling cause they had a 1st down and Dallas had no timeouts, so they could kneel several times and kill the rest of the clock. That is pretty standard in the NFL.
To me it was a sign of weakness. They killed the clock because they couldn't handle any more pressure from Dallas. They could've moved the ball down and tried for more points.
This makes no sense. All 32 teams in the league kneel in the exact same situation. The game is over.
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Really excited for these games tonight, especially as BBC are carrying commentary of them. Us British NFL fans who aren't of the Sky Sports elite rely on radio commentary for our weekly fix, and no station took it up this year.
Cool. Never seen them do that. Who's calling it, Reynolds or Reinbold?
Edit: nevermind, just reread your post. Sounds like the BBC is carrying it instead of SKY. I thought you meant the regular SKY folks would be calling the game instead of carrying it with US commentary.
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Really excited for these games tonight, especially as BBC are carrying commentary of them. Us British NFL fans who aren't of the Sky Sports elite rely on radio commentary for our weekly fix, and no station took it up this year.
Cool. Never seen them do that. Who's calling it, Reynolds or Reinbold?
Edit: nevermind, just reread your post. Sounds like the BBC is carrying it instead of SKY. I thought you meant the regular SKY folks would be calling the game instead of carrying it with US commentary.
No, Sky are doing TV coverage. I'm talking about radio. There's been no radio commentary of games this season, until now. Whereas in previous years, we've had 1 game (usually one of the 4pm ET games) on radio each week.
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Really excited for these games tonight, especially as BBC are carrying commentary of them. Us British NFL fans who aren't of the Sky Sports elite rely on radio commentary for our weekly fix, and no station took it up this year.
Cool. Never seen them do that. Who's calling it, Reynolds or Reinbold?
Edit: nevermind, just reread your post. Sounds like the BBC is carrying it instead of SKY. I thought you meant the regular SKY folks would be calling the game instead of carrying it with US commentary.
No, Sky are doing TV coverage. I'm talking about radio. There's been no radio commentary of games this season, until now. Whereas in previous years, we've had 1 game (usually one of the 4pm ET games) on radio each week.
That makes sense. And to be honest I didn't know that SKY was an elite thing. Looks like they have both a basic and premium version which I was unaware of. I love their commentary, though. I just wish they'd call the games as well, instead of just discussing them during breaks.
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Huh? GB started kneeling cause they had a 1st down and Dallas had no timeouts, so they could kneel several times and kill the rest of the clock. That is pretty standard in the NFL.
To me it was a sign of weakness. They killed the clock because they couldn't handle any more pressure from Dallas. They could've moved the ball down and tried for more points. Either way, GB were nowhere near their best last week.
If the game is clearly over, why would you try for more points? Not only is it classless, but it just increases the chance of one of your players getting injured.
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I'm assuming RoeDent is from England and is just getting into American Football and does not know all the little intricate parts to the game yet.
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I'm assuming RoeDent is from England and is just getting into American Football and does not know all the little intricate parts to the game yet.
Ah I see, I wasn't aware of that. I was just kind of skimming the posts and that one caught my attention :lol
This Seattle game should be pretty interesting, I love watching games in nasty weather when you're all warm and cosy inside :biggrin:
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J.Dude, is a game at CLink as much fun in person as it looks on TV? It looks like a blast. Just watching the fans there on the pre-game show, it looks fun.
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J.Dude, is a game at CLink as much fun in person as it looks on TV? It looks like a blast. Just watching the fans there on the pre-game show, it looks fun.
I've only been to a pre-season game. But I will tell you this. I went to several games when I was a kid in the old Kingdome. You *cannot* imagine the electricity. I'm not kidding, it's as loud as a Metallica concert at close range. You literally have to yell directly in the ear of the person next to you with your hands cupped around their ears to be heard....and even then it's not a guarantee you will be understood.
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So I guess a regular season game at CLink is on both our bucket lists!
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Huh? GB started kneeling cause they had a 1st down and Dallas had no timeouts, so they could kneel several times and kill the rest of the clock. That is pretty standard in the NFL.
To me it was a sign of weakness. They killed the clock because they couldn't handle any more pressure from Dallas. They could've moved the ball down and tried for more points.
This makes no sense. All 32 teams in the league kneel in the exact same situation. The game is over.
This, except for maybe NE. :lol but yeah teams with a lead in that situation going for more points is unheard of.
As far as the games go today, hoping for upsets in both games.
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So I guess a regular season game at CLink is on both our bucket lists!
That would be amazing!
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Seattle just got a penalty for a 12th man on defense. :rollin
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BOOM BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Great play by Sherman.
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So I guess a regular season game at CLink is on both our bucket lists!
That would be amazing!
Boise State's blue field is another one on my list.
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Hawks worrying me with these penalties already.
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Not sure about that play calling. You get to the brink of FG range with runs and short passes and then go deep a lot, resulting in a pick. ???
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Huge play by the Packers defense.
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DAMMIT!! :facepalm:
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Unreal how stupid some NFL players are. That unsportsmanlike could cost GB 4 points.
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Shut up Aikman....this is coming back.
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He looks short, but not sure there is a definitive view that will cause the overturn.
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Shut up Aikman....this is coming back.
:angel:
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I would have kicked it, too. With them swapping turnovers, it's like the Pack got 3 for that first drive. Can't be 0-0 after all that.
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2nd turnover... wow.
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Unreal how stupid some NFL players are. That unsportsmanlike could cost GB 4 points.
Yeah, and not going for it on 4th & goal on the 6 inch line just cost them 4 points. Oh well, looks like they just got another chance on the kickoff return. :lol
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:facepalm: Thank god they're a second half team.
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Unreal how stupid some NFL players are. That unsportsmanlike could cost GB 4 points.
Yeah, and not going for it on 4th & goal on the 6 inch line just cost them 4 points. Oh well, looks like they just got another chance on the kickoff return. :lol
Yeah... old boy got that penalty doing the exact same thing Richard Sherman did on the opening drive... jawing off after the play.
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Jeez, only 3 again. :facepalm: Only 6 points, should've been 14.
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Two 19-yard FGs? Ouch.
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There's some weird bright yellow thing in the sky over Seattle.
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ya'll acting like they're gonna have to put up 30 to beat this team.
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Will this be the game where Seattle having stooges at WR finally burns them? Early on, the answer is yes, but Seattle gets stronger as the game goes on. GB cannot commit turnovers #captainobvious
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I've been saying it all year and all last year as well. I don't know if it's intentional or not (I imagine not) but we have always tended to "play possum" in the first half.
It's nerve wrecking as a fan...but I've seen this happen too many times to panic.
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Hell of a start, Green Bay.
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Cobb!!!
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Rodgers lack of mobility has been a non-factor since Seattle's pass rush is non-existent.
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I'm thoroughly impressed with GB right now and glad that they are proving me wrong; I thought they were going to get blown out :lol
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This looks like a total mismatch so far, and the 12th man is pretty quiet right now. Still a long way to go...
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Right now, we're extremely fortunate that this isn't 28-0. My heart can't take this.
If the offense can get a drive sustained, I still like our chances.
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To hell with a sustained drive, can they get a first down? :P
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Wow....
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Or a completion
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Or a completion
:rollin
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This is the first time I've seen Wilson behave with a lack of composure. That last bomb was a panic play.
We just look terrible right now. It's early...but at this point, with the way they are behaving, it will take a miracle to come back.
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Wow....
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And that may have been just the miracle we needed. We'll see where it goes.
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Huge play by the Seattle D there. They needed that badly.
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Tough first down.
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Good non-call on that Wilson slide. He slid at the last minute, and Matthews dove over him.
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Wilson's generous today :rollin
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This game.
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Wilson just looks terrible today. :facepalm:
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If they were really calling last week "The Ice Bowl II", then this game may as well be "The Blunder Bowl II".
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5 combined interceptions in the first half :o
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Wilson has the worst stat line I have ever seen. 1-8, 14 yards, 3 INTs.
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I heard a lot about the pressure on Green Bay and Rodgers being hurt and not being able to win in Seattle, but I didn't hear a lot about the pressure that Seattle would face trying to get back to the Super Bowl, and right now, Seattle-especially Wilson-seems to be feeling that pressure big time.
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Wilson has the worst stat line I have ever seen. 1-8, 14 yards, 3 INTs.
His QB Passer Rating is ZERO
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Many of us overlooked how undisciplined Seattle is, but it's really hurting them today. Too many penalties.
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Oh yeah, the pressure is definitely on the Hawks. Especially now that it's 16-0 pack at the half.
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I'm just glad we got out of that half without more damage.
The way I've seen them do halftime adjustments in the past, this is still very doable. But like I said, they are just fortunate it's not 28-0.
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I enjoyed that first half.
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How to spot a meme created by a 49ers fan.
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Well that was a neat play.
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Wow, huge series of plays. Can't stand Packers going prevent after the sack.
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That was sick!
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WOOHOO!!!!
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Wow, huge series of plays. Can't stand Packers going prevent after the sack.
Awful, going with a 3-man rush on 3rd and 19. The Packers are now coaching not to lose, rather than to win.
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Now Sherman's playing hurt.
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I'm sure that will be an excuse if they lose :lol
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I'm sure that will be an excuse if they lose :lol
Nope. This one is almost all on Wilson at this point. Lynch's numbers look good. Defense is the only reason we're not getting blown out. Everyone else is doing their job. I love Wilson, but right now, today is all on his shoulders. Well, maybe a bit should go to the O-Line. But even they have looked better in the second half.
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I'd say it's more on their O-line, which can't pass block for shit today.
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The only thing that saves us at this point is a defensive TD. But honestly, with Seattle, those are not terrible odds.
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GB needs to play smart now. The clock is on their side. Only runs and smart throws, and do not turn it over.
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GB's D is coming up huge today.
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Need to keep coming up huge. Plenty of time for Seattle, still.
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...we'll there you go.
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That's it.
Well...it was a great season, and I'm sure they will be shopping for a big receiver in the off season.
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The headline should be "Russell Wilson defeats Seattle" based on the parts of the game I have seen.
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That's it.
Well...it was a great season, and I'm sure they will be shopping for a big receiver in the off season.
In the NFL? Not yet.
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Great play by Lynch... but he stepped out.
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Ya...this is coming back. But still, it's a first down at the 12.
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How does Seattle's only skill position player worth a darn get that open at this point in the game? ???
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hmmmmm....
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And here I was about to give up!!!
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Holy shit.. Epic finish coming!
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Depressing.
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If they lose this, fire McCarthy. His coaching has been gutless this whole second half.
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And here I was about to give up!!!
I just did.
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If they lose this, fire McCarthy. His coaching has been gutless this whole second half.
That's kind of what you wanted him to do though..
GB needs to play smart now. The clock is on their side. Only runs and smart throws, and do not turn it over.
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BEAST MODE!!!!
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LOL at that 2PC throw... but wow...... just like you draw it up :lol
Your move Rodgers...
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I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW!! HANDS SHAKING CAN'T TYPE!!!!
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This is comical.
Bostick, meet Rahim Moore. :lol :lol
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Dropped onside is just pathetic. You're supposed to have good hands and a clean ball just hits you in the head?
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This game got really really good.
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Overtime, with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. Does it get any better than this?
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If I'm at this game in the stands I would lose my mind!!
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What a drive by Rodgers.
Games like this are why sports are awesome. :coolio
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This game got really really good.
Yeah, no joke. I was gonna run to the store to buy onions with about 4 minutes left. Glad I didn't (even though dinner will be delayed indefinitely).
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This is comical.
Bostick, meet Rahim Moore. :lol :lol
Thanks for reminding me of that nightmare… back to square one with repressing that memory in my head :rollin
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Holy crap
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This is comical.
Bostick, meet Rahim Moore. :lol :lol
Thanks for reminding me of that nightmare… back to square one with repressing that memory in my head :rollin
The Cundiff thing in New England was much, much more. Over 15 minutes of football was played after Moore's play. After Cundiff missed the kick... that was that.
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Just like that Russell Wilson is the hero.
Congrats to the Seahawk fans.....
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Lame
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Holy.Fucking.Shit.
That was gorgeous.
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i CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT i JUST SAW!!! WHOLE HOUSE...HECK...WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FREAKING OUT!!!
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Fire Mike McCarthy.
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Fire Mike McCarthy.
Yeah, he should have ran on the field and knocked down that pass :(
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I'd be disgusted if I were a Green Bay fan right now :sadpanda: Congratulations to Seattle.
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WOW!!! What a game..
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Just fucking depressed. Losing like that in a game this big has to be one of the worst things in sports.
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Fire Mike McCarthy.
Yeah, he should have ran on the field and knocked down that pass :(
That entire collapse is on him. They played not to lose the whole second half.
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My god what a game!!!
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Fire Mike McCarthy.
Yeah, he should have ran on the field and knocked down that pass :(
That entire collapse is on him. They played not to lose the whole second half.
Yup, he was doing his best John Fox impression today :lol
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Fire Mike McCarthy.
Yeah, he should have ran on the field and knocked down that pass :(
That entire collapse is on him. They played not to lose the whole second half.
That's what you told him to do. Do I need to quote it again??!?!?
Wilson all choked up in the postgame interview. So happy for that young man.
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I'll give props to Rodgers for playing to the stage where he looked like anything he did hurts.
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I'll give props to Rodgers for playing to the stage where he looked like anything he did hurts.
Hell yeah. Gutsy performance on his part.
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No, I said to play it safe once they had the ball back with under 5 to go and a 12-point lead. Not the whole second half.
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No, I said to play it safe once they had the ball back with under 5 to go and a 12-point lead. Not the whole second half.
So you want him fired for coaching them to a 12 point lead with under five left? That makes no sense.
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No, I said to play it safe once they had the ball back with under 5 to go and a 12-point lead. Not the whole second half.
So you want him fired for coaching them to a 12 point lead with under five left? That makes no sense.
No, I want him fired for coaching a team that just had the worst collapse I've seen in the playoffs since the Oilers/Bills game 21 years ago.
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No, I said to play it safe once they had the ball back with under 5 to go and a 12-point lead. Not the whole second half.
So you want him fired for coaching them to a 12 point lead with under five left? That makes no sense.
No, I want him fired for coaching a team that just had the worst collapse I've seen in the playoffs since the Oilers/Bills game 21 years ago.
Again makes no sense if he did what you told him to do with a 12 point lead with less than five minutes left. :lol
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Can you not read? I said play it safe on offense - run the ball, only pass with safe throws. Playing soft like they did on defense was moronic.
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Can you not read? I said play it safe on offense - run the ball, only pass with safe throws. Playing soft like they did on defense was moronic.
So you want an offensive minded head coach fired for what Dom Caper's unit did?
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Did that just happen? WHAT A GAME! Utterly mindblowing! First of all, more turnovers than Greggs the bakers. But that finish was something else! These come-from-behind dramas are why I absolutely love this sport!
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Did that just happen? WHAT A GAME! Utterly mindblowing! First of all, more turnovers than Greggs the bakers. But that finish was something else! These come-from-behind dramas are why I absolutely love this sport!
It was an incredible finish. Thanks for staying up with us. :tup
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Damn... what to do after watching an incredible Conference Championship Game....... oh, there's another starting?
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I'd fire him for the breakdown in discipline. Too many boneheaded mistakes there.
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I'd fire him for the breakdown in discipline. Too many boneheaded mistakes there.
Exactly.
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See that two point conversion and one of those first downs. Oh well, I started watching Football with the Seahawks in the Super Bowl last year, I guess I'll just have to accept them this year too.
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Yeah, that 2-point conversion is an afterthought now, but that was a heave and a prayer. Without it, GB wins with the FG at the end. Crazy.
The worst part of this is Earl Thomas and Sherman are both hurt now, which could spell major luck for the Patriots when they win this game and go to the Super Bowl. Ugh.
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Brady threw that ball like Edelman was Gronk.
Uh oh.... a turnover...
Good gawd.. he let it him him right in the facemask.
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Well fuck.
OK, guess it's go Pats time...
C'mon baseball!!!
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One month until P&C report!!!
Can't believe I missed the 2nd half of this one. But HELL YES!!! :metal :metal :metal
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Good Lord... how far does Blount have to get it into the endzone before the refs call it a TD?
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I might not even watch this game. Like I really want to watch the Colts commit stupid turnovers and give the game away all night. :\
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Hang in there. It's early yet.
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The Colts are not equipped to come back and win in New England. It's over.
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Yep. I have it on, but in the background. Indy has no shot. I might flip over to some Dexter reruns here shortly. :hat
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Should have kept running it. Brady with the pick.
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Bonehead play by Wilfork there. Can't be forearming people in the head, especially after he's already down.
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Hell of a catch and drag by Hilton.
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Dammit. Pays shooting themselves in the foot
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I freaking love Julian Edelman. Such a great player.
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Holy shit balls! I went out to wash the car in the 3rd Qtr of the Pack/Hawks game thinking GB pretty much had it. Next thing I know, the Hawks scored 2 TD's in 45 secs toward the end of the game? Then it goes to OT. It ain't over until it's over. GB fans must be sick to death. Damn...
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Great job by the Colts defense. I really think they should have just tried something at the end there but whatever I suppose.
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Boy, missed opportunities for the Pats. I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.
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Pats cheated again. Lol
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Man, a fucking tackle eligible. That's just choice. :rollin
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This is straight up domination
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Really surprised the Hawks game was not on Fox Sports Radio L.A. They play regular season games all the time.
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You think teams would know to not leave Gronk in single coverage in the endzone by now he makes that catch everytime.
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You think teams would know to not leave Gronk in single coverage in the endzone by now he makes that catch everytime.
In a game where WRs, TEs, RBs and OTs have all had big catches.... you can't cover everyone.
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Why do I have to go to work tomorrow? :lol
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Here's a pro tip for the Pats..... quit passing the ball... use your 483 RBs and get to the SB healthy.
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Man, I'm glad I turned this off. :lol :lol
Looking at the box score, it has to be asked: how stupid do the Steelers look for cutting Blount?
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12191685/denver-broncos-hire-gary-kubiak-new-head-coach
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I understand that Green Bay screwed the pooch down the stretch....but there are a lot of things you can point to.
I mean, where's the credit for the Seattle D holding them to 16 points in the first half? The way the Seattle offence played, it really *should* have been 28-0. If Green Bay just punches it in the endzone one time that they kicked a FG instead and it's still game over.
There's seriously dozen's of things that you can point to in that game that sway it one way or the other. The Packers recover the onside kick is another one. But as badly as the Seattle offense played for the first three quarters (and even then, Lynch was awesome. It was mostly Wilson and the O-Line) the LoB is the biggest reason we won this game. They were the ones who kept it closer than it should have been.
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I like the Kubiak hire. Great play caller.
A play no one is talking about is the INT with 5 minutes left. The Packer immediately went to the ground like game was over, when he probably could have had a good return and at least gotten them in range for another FG to make it 22-7. Just stupid. I think that was the moment the Packers took the foot off the gas and thought they had it won.
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I understand that Green Bay screwed the pooch down the stretch....but there are a lot of things you can point to.
I mean, where's the credit for the Seattle D holding them to 16 points in the first half? The way the Seattle offence played, it really *should* have been 28-0. If Green Bay just punches it in the endzone one time that they kicked a FG instead and it's still game over.
There's seriously dozen's of things that you can point to in that game that sway it one way or the other. The Packers recover the onside kick is another one. But as badly as the Seattle offense played for the first three quarters (and even then, Lynch was awesome. It was mostly Wilson and the O-Line) the LoB is the biggest reason we won this game. They were the ones who kept it closer than it should have been.
Ya'll go down to Arizona and beat the Pats.... and that's what will be remembered.... just like the beatdown of the Broncos is remembered much more than the real fight, which was the NFC Championship game versus the 49ers.
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Raven fans are flipping out, saying that Kubiak betrayed "us". He did say that he wanted to stay, but that's before the Denver job, perhaps a dream job and ideal situation for him, opened up. I can't blame him whatsoever for leaving, and wish him the best, except when he plays Baltimore, of course.
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Where my Fellow Seahawks....ugh, ugh.
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Did they announce an MVP for the game?
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I like the Kubiak hire. Great play caller.
A play no one is talking about is the INT with 5 minutes left. The Packer immediately went to the ground like game was over, when he probably could have had a good return and at least gotten them in range for another FG to make it 22-7. Just stupid. I think that was the moment the Packers took the foot off the gas and thought they had it won.
The SKY sports guys blasted him mercilessly for that (and a lot of other Packers). Field position matters, and that was one of many lapses. Well coached teams don't do stuff like that.
And I was fucking thrilled when they released Blount. Patriots resigned him for a fraction of what he was demanding when he left and we all know what he can do. What always amazes me is how they can take castaways, rejects and malcontents and get great performance out of them. Some people just fit into that system a lot better than others.
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I love the idea of Kubiak coming back to Denver as a Broncos fan. I wasn't big on the idea of Gase getting the job, I don't think he's ready to be a head coach for a while.
Oh, and congratulations to New England. :tup This should be an awesome Super Bowl.
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Two weeks of Super Bowl talk. I'm going to lose my mind. Too long for foreplay.
The way the Pats have played this playoffs, I should be very confident but Seattle is one hell of a team that scare the hell out of me defensively. Going to be one hell of a game.
Last two coaches for the Pats facing off.
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Should be an interesting chess match to say the least :tup
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No offense to the Patriots or any fans of them here, but I'm going to nonstop projectile vomit if I have to listen to my roommate brag and brag and brag until I move out about the Patriots winning the Superbowl.
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KevShmev - did you see Rodgers' press conference? I got the inference that he agrees with you.
Rodgers - "There were times when we weren't playing as aggressively as we usually are."
Press - "Can you elaborate?"
Rodgers - "No, I can't"
I might be reading too much into it...and it looks like nothing in print. But when you see the look on his face when he says it, I got the distinct feeling that he had an issue with the play calling.
EDIT: here's the video...you be the judge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5lysgE2mEw
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It's only just now sinking in just how HUGE that game was. That game is going to go down as one of the all time greats. There was not just one miracle play, there were at least 3 or 4. The 2 point conversion, the onside kick, the TD play.....heck, even the fake FG earlier. That game is going to be on highlight reels for a VERY long time.
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KevShmev - did you see Rodgers' press conference? I got the inference that he agrees with you.
Rodgers - "There were times when we weren't playing as aggressively as we usually are."
Press - "Can you elaborate?"
Rodgers - "No, I can't"
I might be reading too much into it...and it looks like nothing in print. But when you see the look on his face when he says it, I got the distinct feeling that he had an issue with the play calling.
EDIT: here's the video...you be the judge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5lysgE2mEw
When he first said they weren't playing as aggressively as they had been I didn't read anything at all into it. Could have just as easily meant that the players weren't being aggressive enough. The "no I can't" was very telling, though. No mistaking that. :lol
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It's only just now sinking in just how HUGE that game was. That game is going to go down as one of the all time greats. There was not just one miracle play, there were at least 3 or 4. The 2 point conversion, the onside kick, the TD play.....heck, even the fake FG earlier. That game is going to be on highlight reels for a VERY long time.
I was thinking about that. In fact, I am still trying to wrap my brain about what happened. Last year's NFCCG game is remembered for The Tip. Much like that 1995 Mariners win over the Yankees is remembered for Griffey's slide in to home (the most replayed highlight in Seattle sports history?) I don't think this game will be remembered for one thing, or even a couple things. It will be remembered by how we all felt going in to the last couple minutes of regulation, and how we felt after the final TD.
Didn't get a chance to watch the second game. Was it as ugly as the score?
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:lol
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I haven't been this bummed about a sports-related event since... 2002 I think (FIFA world cup, when Spain got beat by Korea). Millionaires playing games with millionaires, but damn I can't help it.
McCarthy isn't getting fired, but I think we need new blood at coordinators. Offense sucked in the red zone, defense collapsed at the end (though they played a pretty stellar game up until there, other than 3rd and 19) and special teams had two crucial mistakes in the fake FG and onside kick. In the end, I guess I just want people with new ideas that can motivate these men and keep them focused for the whole game instead of just stretches.
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This upcoming SuperBowl will be the first in 40 years I just can't bring myself to watch! Hate these teams and don't care about the game, at all!
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WOW....if this turns out to be true.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/deflate-gate--report--patriots-being-investigated-for-deflated-footballs-062844133.html
I mean, Billichick already has a bit of a dirty history...but if this is true, he's just going to have a legacy of being a rotten cheater.
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If that's true then the organization deserved a fine but lets be honest. Doesn't that help both teams then?
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Well yeah but it is noted in the article that either way, the Colts got manhandled.
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I thought the referees were in control of the balls. If not, they should be. To be honest this seems unlikely to me. Belichick has a habit of tiptoeing on the rule line, as we all know, but this seems much more overt. Just don't see them doing something so obvious.
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Somebody posted the rules on game balls elsewhere:
The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner.
In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive team’s center.
The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs).
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.
Like I said, tampering with the balls on the sideline seems far too overt to me. Now, providing a test pump that reads a few pounds heavier than it actually is? That's a stunt that lives up to the Belichick level of craftiness. :lol "Uh, I don't know. Must have been defective when it left the factory. [shrugs]"
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The Pump Rule. :lol
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That's awesome!!
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:lol
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No doubt (though I don't get #5). At least the newbies aren't all claiming "Lifelong Seahawks Fan here!" Most are willing to admit they probably thought the team still played in the Kingdome.
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Hell, Zorn to Largent! :metal
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Oh, man, it hurts.....the pain from laughing... :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin
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Weigh my ass and balls. :lol
...and Russell Wilson was crying because he couldn't believe the Packers defense and special teams practically gave them that game.
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In other news, water is wet. :lol :lol
Not surprisingly, the point spread on the SB moved a ton last night, as all of the early money was on the Patriots. I like that since it seems like the vast majority of the time, whenever the betting public goes really heavy on one team, they are wrong. Not always, but more often than not.
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I know you'd like that Kev, but who in their right mind wouldn't take the Pats +3?
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After yesterday, it looks easy, sure, but does anyone really think Seattle will play that poorly again in 13 days? And the Seahawks are a whole lot better than the Colts. Not saying Seattle will win, but the spread being a pick 'em now seems about right.
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I have to address this, too: in GOAT conversations, I've seen some say that even if Brady wins a fourth ring, Montana is still better cause he is 4-0 in Super Bowls. That is stupid logic, since it implies that it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs. I am not saying I'll put Brady at number 1 if the Pats win in two weeks, just that the idea that losing in the Super Bowl or finals counts against you is stupid.
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After yesterday, it looks easy, sure, but does anyone really think Seattle will play that poorly again in 13 days? And the Seahawks are a whole lot better than the Colts. Not saying Seattle will win, but the spread being a pick 'em now seems about right.
Oh absolutely. I think that's why people were jumping on the points.
I have to address this, too: in GOAT conversations, I've seen some say that even if Brady wins a fourth ring, Montana is still better cause he is 4-0 in Super Bowls. That is stupid logic, since it implies that it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs. I am not saying I'll put Brady at number 1 if the Pats win in two weeks, just that the idea that losing in the Super Bowl or finals counts against you is stupid.
I agree with this, and not because of my geography. And I'm not one that judges everything on championships. See Marino/Dilfer.
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It's not the 4-0 super bowl record that puts Montana at the top of the list. It's the 127.8 rating. The bigger the game the better he played, each and every time.
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Except that pesky 1985-1987 stretch. I am not sure any other QB frequently mentioned in the GOAT conversation ever had a 3-game stretch in the playoffs as awful as that.
And I remember him playing dreadful in the AFCCG following the '93 season.
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Meh. I will just say he's among the greats.
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Right. The selective memory of some never fails to amuse me. You have to take it all into account. This isn't like hockey (Gretzky) or basketball (Jordan) where the best ever is more than obvious to 99.999% of the population. A strong argument can made for those top 5-7 quarterbacks.
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Right. The selective memory of some never fails to amuse me. You have to take it all into account. This isn't like hockey (Gretzky) or basketball (Jordan) where the best ever is more than obvious to 99.999% of the population. A strong argument can made for those top 5-7 quarterbacks.
Orr?? ;D
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No. The gap between Gretzky and whoever you want to put at number 2 (Orr, Howe or Mario) is as wide as the Grand Canyon.
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Just joshing. I don't disagree.
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OMG.... Just saw a press conference where Pete Carroll was asked about the Patriots tendency to use normally ineligible receivers as eligible...
He said, "I think it really good smart football....we see it all the time in college, but I think we're starting to see it more now in the pros." (this is paraphrased... I just saw it on local news and can't find it anywhere else)
Again...maybe I'm reading too much into it. But being as that Pete has had relatively recent success in college, isn't this a bit of a couched statement? As if to say, "...these might be trick plays to everyone else...but this ain't my first rodeo." :rollin :rollin
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Actually, using a sixth o-lineman as a TE is much more common in the NFL because only 45 dress. College football has more tackle over and split tackle formations.
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If that's true then the organization deserved a fine but lets be honest. Doesn't that help both teams then?
It would hinder a QB who throws a lot more deep balls, like Luck, but would help Brady with his 3 yard dinks.
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I have to address this, too: in GOAT conversations, I've seen some say that even if Brady wins a fourth ring, Montana is still better cause he is 4-0 in Super Bowls. That is stupid logic, since it implies that it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs.
I don't think that's what it implies at all. All it means is that Montana got four opportunities to win the big game, and he won all of them. Brady didn't win in all of his opportunities.
That's all it means.
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McCarthy twice kicked FGs on the 1 yard line in the 1st half despite having one of the best power backs in football. That is inexcusable gutless coaching, especially in this age of modern analytics which clearly show that going for it on 4th down is often the best strategy no matter where you are on the field (4 yards to go or less). But at the opponents 1???? He needs to go and they need to bring in a coach with the will to win.
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If that's true then the organization deserved a fine but lets be honest. Doesn't that help both teams then?
It would hinder a QB who throws a lot more deep balls, like Luck, but would help Brady with his 3 yard dinks.
Please. In rain it helps all. BTW, each team has their own set of balls 12 to be exact and of course each play with how the QB likes. People need to stop the nonsense. Also I guess the deflated balls screwed up the Colts tackling.
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McCarthy twice kicked FGs on the 1 yard line in the 1st half despite having one of the best power backs in football. That is inexcusable gutless coaching, especially in this age of modern analytics which clearly show that going for it on 4th down is often the best strategy no matter where you are on the field (4 yards to go or less). But at the opponents 1???? He needs to go and they need to bring in a coach with the will to win.
I disagree with this completely. 4th and a goal, in the first half of a game that your defense is dominating, conventional wisdom is to kick the field goal. Almost every coach in the league would have done the same thing.
He certainly made some mistakes in the game, but this isn't one of them, IMHO.
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McCarthy twice kicked FGs on the 1 yard line in the 1st half despite having one of the best power backs in football. That is inexcusable gutless coaching, especially in this age of modern analytics which clearly show that going for it on 4th down is often the best strategy no matter where you are on the field (4 yards to go or less). But at the opponents 1???? He needs to go and they need to bring in a coach with the will to win.
I disagree with this completely. 4th and a goal, in the first half of a game that your defense is dominating, conventional wisdom is to kick the field goal. Almost every coach in the league would have done the same thing.
He certainly made some mistakes in the game, but this isn't one of them, IMHO.
Definitely not. Particularly given how Seattle's offense had been stinking it up. I'm taking my shot and at worst giving them miserable field position and I suspect that most of your better coaches would have, as well.
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I disagree. The majority of coaches would have kicked the field goal.
At any rate, those field goals were not the problem.
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Yes, usually "up 12 with five minutes left and having the ball at midfield" is a recipe for victory. That took a pretty cosmic collapse (and let's face it, the onside kick doesn't hit the guy wrong, the game's over, so there was some luck involved too) on the part of the Packers. Kicking field goals in the first half wasn't why they lost.
As for the deflated ball thing...it's less a big deal for the actual impact on the game-the Patriots scored enough rushing touchdowns to win the game, so passing wasn't required-as it refuels the perception that the Patriots cheat. Had the Spygate thing never happened, people would have just shrugged and chalked this up to home team shenanigans. This now has people thinking "well if they did that, what are they doing that we haven't found out about yet?"
And people trying to argue against Montana by making it to not be a big deal that he won four Super Bowls and played flawlessly in them cracks me the fuck up. Everyone plays bad games at one point in time or the other. It's how they are at their best that matters most. And more importantly, it's doing it on a regular basis, or else Doug Williams would be the greatest quarterback ever. :rollin
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McCarthy twice kicked FGs on the 1 yard line in the 1st half despite having one of the best power backs in football. That is inexcusable gutless coaching, especially in this age of modern analytics which clearly show that going for it on 4th down is often the best strategy no matter where you are on the field (4 yards to go or less). But at the opponents 1???? He needs to go and they need to bring in a coach with the will to win.
I disagree with this completely. 4th and a goal, in the first half of a game that your defense is dominating, conventional wisdom is to kick the field goal. Almost every coach in the league would have done the same thing.
He certainly made some mistakes in the game, but this isn't one of them, IMHO.
Convention wisdom is another word for bullshit. The analysts have done the work, you need to go for it there. Is having Seattle pinned at the 1 a terrible outcome when their O was doing nothing?
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At the end of the first half, populated by such "bullshit," they were up 16-0. The field goal attempts were not a problem. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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The problem was the completely collapse and rookie mistakes of the Packers defense in the 4th quarter. Field Goals in the opening half really isn't the problem.
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I really don't think enough credit is going to the Seattle D for HOLDING them to those FG's. Because it was those FG's that kept the game in striking distance.
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...and only 6 points in the 2nd half! Seahawks seem to be able to adjust to any team at halftime.
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Fortunately they were able to storm right out of the gate against the Brocnos last year and keep their foot on the pedal for the full 60 minutes. They better not come out their typical flat self next Sunday.
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That's right Cool Chris because they will not be field goals if their is early turnovers.
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Also,
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/GronkMeme2_zpsb3f681a7.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/GronkMeme2_zpsb3f681a7.jpg.html)
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Did Marrone know what he was doing? Is serving in Jacksonville better than leading in Buffalo? The weather is certainly better.
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Did Marrone know what he was doing? Is serving in Jacksonville better than leading in Buffalo? The weather is certainly better.
Yeah DOC, I don't get it.
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https://profootballmock.com/scandal-new-england-patriots-accused-overinflating-vince-wilfork/
:lol
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:lol
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I have to address this, too: in GOAT conversations, I've seen some say that even if Brady wins a fourth ring, Montana is still better cause he is 4-0 in Super Bowls. That is stupid logic, since it implies that it's better to lose earlier in the playoffs.
I don't think that's what it implies at all. All it means is that Montana got four opportunities to win the big game, and he won all of them. Brady didn't win in all of his opportunities.
That's all it means.
I get that, but I don't think losing in the Super Bowl should count against you. That is all I am saying.
McCarthy twice kicked FGs on the 1 yard line in the 1st half despite having one of the best power backs in football. That is inexcusable gutless coaching, especially in this age of modern analytics which clearly show that going for it on 4th down is often the best strategy no matter where you are on the field (4 yards to go or less). But at the opponents 1???? He needs to go and they need to bring in a coach with the will to win.
I am usually an advocate for going for it in those situations, but it was early and it would have been crushing to GB to come away with no points after all of that moving of the ball. And let's face it, they would have won the game because of those FGs if not for the miracle finish by Seattle.
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So due to the various great QBs either turning down the Pro Bowl, or being otherwise busy (Brady/Wilson), it fell to Joe Flacco. But he turned it down because his wife is expecting his 3rd child soon.
So now, Andy Dalton's going to the pro bowl! :lol
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I laughed when I read that as well. I even texted it to several friends, so we could all laugh again at how meaningless the pro bowl is. :lol :lol
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I laughed when I read that as well. I even texted it to several friends, so we could all laugh again at how meaningless the pro bowl is. :lol :lol
Maybe Dalton will go undrafted :lol
Seriously the Pro Bowl draft is much more interesting than that farce of a game itself.
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So now, Andy Dalton's going to the pro bowl! :lol
The only way he'll ever come this close to playing in February.
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It's only a matter of time before John Kitna makes the Pro Bowl at this point :lol
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Or worse...Cutler.
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Just heard this on sports radio, the jocks were making fun of him. I agree with them.
I found Wilson afterward, and asked him about the four picks, and going from the worst game of his life to the most exhilarating in the span of eight minutes of game time.
"That's God setting it up, to make it so dramatic, so rewarding, so special," he said, alone for a moment in the locker room before heading out for the night. "I've been through a lot in life, and had some ups and downs. It's what's led me to this day."
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Here's something I don't get. If the Patriot's balls were underinflated (11 of 12, it would seem) enough that DQ noticed and immediately reported it to the refs, then why didn't the refs notice it or others? They handle the balls between every play. As do the other team's players. They're suspect enough for a LB to flag but not for the refs to notice, play after play after play? Especially once the condition of the balls was questioned in the first half. Now that they're called into question they still didn't have an issue with them going forward?
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"Hi everyone! I'm Bill Belichick and I'm the best coach, and Tom Brady is the best QB, except I kinda don't really think so because we have to bend and break the rules any chance we get in order to make sure we win . . . "
How anyone can root for such a classless organization of cheating scumbags is beyond me. And to all those with their fingers in their ears, I guess you don't notice a pattern of behavior here.
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Here's something I don't get. If the Patriot's balls were underinflated (11 of 12, it would seem) enough that DQ noticed and immediately reported it to the refs, then why didn't the refs notice it or others? They handle the balls between every play. As do the other team's players. They're suspect enough for a LB to flag but not for the refs to notice, play after play after play? Especially once the condition of the balls was questioned in the first half. Now that they're called into question they still didn't have an issue with them going forward?
Probably should've checked them before the second half, no?
What you're starting to hear is a lot of ball shenanigans all over the place. The radio just mentioned the Buc's Brad Johnson admitted to doctoring Super Bowl balls.
What the league needs to do is have a league officials handling the balls during games. That would eliminate all of this. If anyone thinks the Pats are alone in this kind of thing, you're nuts.
Trying to not let my geography blind me, but is this really anything more that pine tar on a baseball, or an illegal curve in hockey?
Still, this is NOT a good look for the Patriots.
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"Hi everyone! I'm Bill Belichick and I'm the best coach, and Tom Brady is the best QB, except I kinda don't really think so because we have to bend and break the rules any chance we get in order to make sure we win . . . "
How anyone can root for such a classless organization of cheating scumbags is beyond me. And to all those with their fingers in their ears, I guess you don't notice a pattern of behavior here.
While the Patriots deserve whatever punishment they get, you're a dingus if you think there's any team that's never cheated.
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"Hi everyone! I'm Bill Belichick and I'm the best coach, and Tom Brady is the best QB, except I kinda don't really think so because we have to bend and break the rules any chance we get in order to make sure we win . . . "
How anyone can root for such a classless organization of cheating scumbags is beyond me. And to all those with their fingers in their ears, I guess you don't notice a pattern of behavior here.
To be honest, the sarcastic opinions of pre-existing haters don't really interest me much.
That said, I'm probably the biggest Belichick fan in this forum and I'm quite disappointed in this situation. Particularly since if it's true it was so completely unnecessary. The Patriots absolutely destroyed the Colts and the balls had nothing to do with it.
I suspect that what we're going to find is that this is an aspect of the rulebook that everybody pushes. St. Rodgers and Brad Johnson are both now [semi]on-record as saying that they broke or pushed the rules and the league really doesn't seem to mind much. Like I said, they operated the second half essentially with the approval of the league. A whole lot of people are going to get called into question on this; the league, the referees, players. Sadly, only the Patriots will be castigated over it.
I'll make another observation related to the sarcasm. The people who can creatively and legally game the system are looked quite highly upon. Everybody loves the guy who can find a nice loophole or waltz right on the line of legal; that's called being good at your job. Yet the second they fall over that line they're fucking evil, reprehensible scumbags. It's like there's this switch where people go from respect to sheer, utter hatred in a split second.
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To be honest, the sarcastic opinions of pre-existing haters don't really interest me much.
It's tiring, and I'm not even a Patriots nut. But they will have their day today, while examining their team's options in the upcoming draft instead of planning Super Bowl parties. ;D
That said, I'm probably the biggest Belichick fan in this forum and I'm quite disappointed in this situation. Particularly since if it's true it was so completely unnecessary.
I suspect that what we're going to find is that this is an aspect of the rulebook that everybody pushes. St. Rodgers and Brad Johnson are both now [semi]on-record as saying that they broke or pushed the rules and the league really doesn't seem to mind much. Like I said, they operated the second half essentially with the approval of the league. A whole lot of people are going to get called into question on this; the league, the referees, players. Sadly, only the Patriots will be castigated over it.
Very true on both points.
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I think it's the old boy system where coaches see nothing, hear nothing in the old days and QB's are allowed to get their footballs to their liking to throw them. We've heard Rodgers talk about going over the limit because it's what he likes. Hell, the stories on Brad Johnson in Tampa Bay working his footballs the way he likes it.
Should we take away the Super Bowl from Tampa as well? The league is changing and the old school days are the thing of the past.
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So this is how Belickick treats/employs his own mother? ;D
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A guy just called WEEI, who claims he knows the Ball Boy. Christian Fauria (former Pat) confirmed the Ball Boy's name.
What he said he was told was that the balls were checked at half time. They were found to be underinflated.
You may remember that at the beginning of the second half, they had the kicking ball out there. Apparently that was because the Pats' balls were late coming out of the room because of the inspections and reinflations.
He also said that there was a league official tied to the ball boy's hip throughout the second half.
I'm thinking if all of this ends up being accurate in the NFL's report, then the Pats destroyed the Colts in the second half with legal balls.
If they had used the legal balls in the first half too, the score would've been like 70-7.
All this begs the question..why?
Now apparently Matt Lienhart is now tweeting that everyone doctors the balls. :facepalm:
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Lets add to QB's saying they do it as well.
Brad Johnson -- https://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/01/21/brad-johnson-bribed-someone-to-tamper-with-super-bowl-footballs/
Aaron Rodgers -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/20/packers-aaron-rodgers-prefers-overinflated-footballs-likes-to-push-the-limit/
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At www.sportsradiokjr.com they just posted a parody of "Big Balls" by AC/DC called "Tom's Flat Balls".
First blood in the media game goes to Seattle. :rollin
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Um, Look who fondles Tom's balls. :lol
Victory, Brady. :lol
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I doubt he'd really give a shit about that, but it does seem like Tom Brady is one of the very last people you'd want to piss off before a game. He's way too competitive.
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Tom Brady can't run be he can certainly hide in the pocket as long as it doesn't collapse. :lol
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Remember how the Pats reacted after the last "Gate"?
This will favor the Pats. They'll manufacturer the "Us Vs. The World" mentality for the game.
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Pats should be thankful that I'm not in charge of the league. For it it were to be determined that deflating the balls was intentionally done, I wouldn't be interested in slapping that franchise on the wrist with a fine again. I wouldn't be interested in take a draft pick from them again. I would do something that would actually get their attention and make everyone in the league question whether cheating is actually worth it.
I would forfeit all of their wins in 2014, and have the Ravens and Colts play this Sunday in a real AFC Championship Game.
But, I'm not in charge, so the millionaires will do what they see fit with this.
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Don't think that would ever happen. The legalities of this would be mindbogling.
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Don't think that would ever happen. The legalities of this would be mindbogling.
I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game.
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Don't think that would ever happen. The legalities of this would be mindbogling.
I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game.
If you really wanted to get their attention, suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl. I don't think putting the Colts or the Ravens in the game is even doable, nor would I agree with that. That's just crazy.
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Yes, that too. There are too many variables to do that. I still think it will just be a fine because this was the good ole' boys network, you don't tell, I wont tell.
Rumors are coming out that Pags complained during the regular season game and if you saw that game, Brady was in late still trying to score because Bellichick was mad. So, fast forward to the playoff game, Pags gets back at him during the playoffs because the balls were deflated again.
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Don't think that would ever happen. The legalities of this would be mindbogling.
I know it would never happen. Hell, the Player's Association might complain that the Colts and Ravens are already in off-season mode, and it wouldn't be "safe" to throw them into another game.
If you really wanted to get their attention, suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl. I don't think putting the Colts or the Ravens in the game is even doable, nor would I agree with that. That's just crazy.
I honestly don't think that suspending Belechick would be sufficient to deter this kind of crap in the future. I just don't really acknowledge New England as being the AFC Championship if they felt the need to blatantly cheat in order to win the AFC. Sad fact is that they probably blow the doors off of Indy regardless of inflation of balls... but that Ravens game.... yeah.... the seed of doubt is there. Much closer game.... and a WR threw a TD.
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That's fine, I'm not going to try and change your mind about the Pats/Ravens game.
What would deter this crap in the future would be to have the league in change of the balls during the game. Why are teams allowed to use different balls in the first place. I do realize that's not the issue here.
If I were in charge of the league, I'd pull Belichick from the Super Bowl over this. I firmly believe that would kick Kraft in the ..um.. balls.
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A WR who played QB in college..
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A WR who played QB in college..
Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.
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A WR who played QB in college..
Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.
Not sure if sarcasm or not..
The sass is strong with this post.
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A WR who played QB in college..
Thanks. I had no idea he played QB at Kent State.
Not sure if sarcasm or not..
The sass is strong with this post.
Definitely sarcasm. If they used deflated balls against the Ravens.... it made their narrow victory much easier.
Team is good enough that they don't have to cheat.... so if they're doing it anyway... just shameful.
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Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.
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It doesn't really matter what the Pats are or aren't accused of now. They'll always be known as a team with a cheating history. Same goes for the Saints and any other team who participates in "gate" activity. What's the official name for this investigation anyway? Deflate gate? :lol
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It doesn't really matter what the Pats are or aren't accused of now. They'll always be known as a team with a cheating history. Same goes for the Saints and any other team who participates in "gate" activity. What's the official name for this investigation anyway? Deflate gate? :lol
Of course you're right, but I honestly never hear anybody complain about the Saints being cheaters. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but I never hear it. You hear Belicheat and Cheatriots constantly. The simple difference between being good for 12 years or being the Saints, I suppose.
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Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.
There's no way Belickick doesn't know about how Brady likes his balls. Even has a Pats fan, I cannot believe he doesn't know about everything going on on his sideline. There is no way that Brady is operating independently of Belichick.
I can see Claude Julien not knowing if Patrice Bergeron shows up with an illegal curve, but Belichick has too much control over what goes on.
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All we hear is what a great, classy guy Robert Kraft is, but this reflects on him, too. If he, the owner, allows the football leader of his franchise to keep his job after getting busted for cheating again, then he obviously isn't the great guy that many portray him to be. We'll see.
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All we hear is what a great, classy guy Robert Kraft is, but this reflects on him, too. If he, the owner, allows the football leader of his franchise to keep his job after getting busted for cheating again, then he obviously isn't the great guy that many portray him to be. We'll see.
Kev, Kraft isn't as classy as he wants everyone to believe. Not even close. In fact, I can't stand the fu#king midget. The guy is as smarmy as they get.
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Or that Denver manipulated the cap in their 2 Super Bowl seasons.
The real answer is that Belichick rubs coaches and players and he'll, even the league office The wrong way and that's why others are going after them. He's done it to himself
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Not sure why anybody would really think that Belichick is up to date on the pressure of each ball in play. The guy's good, but I don't think he's focusing on that level of detail. If you're going to suspend somebody it should probably be Brady (and most likely 1/2 of the QB's in the league if we're being honest). Belichick is an easy target, but that doesn't mean he's to blame for every single thing that happens.
There's no way Belickick doesn't know about how Brady likes his balls. Even has a Pats fan, I cannot believe he doesn't know about everything going on on his sideline. There is no way that Brady is operating independently of Belichick.
I'm sure he knows Brady prefers low pressure balls. That doesn't mean that he orchestrated, or even knowingly allowed a scheme that facilitated tampering with the balls between their initial inspection by the refs and the kickoff of the game. That is after all what we're all suggesting happened.
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So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.
So just for the record.
2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.
Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
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So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.
So just for the record.
2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.
Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
I mentioned the caller to WEEI earlier. He also claimed that the 2nd half balls were legal.
I'm thinking if all of this ends up being accurate in the NFL's report, then the Pats destroyed the Colts in the second half with legal balls.
If they had used the legal balls in the first half too, the score would've been like 70-7.
;D
That doesn't mean that he ..... knowingly allowed a scheme that facilitated tampering with the balls between their initial inspection by the refs and the kickoff of the game.
Bart, I'm sorry, but there's no way it happens without Belichick knowing. I guess we can agree to disagree. I believe he absolutely allowed such a scheme.
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You've heard it here first. This is TAC, signing off on DTF Radio.
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You've heard it here first. This is TAC, signing off on DTF Radio.
:metal
I had today off so I was listening to sportsradio all day. Both stations. Jim Rome has a CBS Sports Minute about this that had me busting a gut.
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I had 98.5 on today but I floated in an out since i was doing the employee's reviews. I hope I didn't mess up while I was listening. :lol
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I had 98.5 on today but I floated in an out since i was doing the employee's reviews. I hope I didn't mess up while I was listening. :lol
I hope you didn't write someone up for deflating the tires on the forklift in the warehouse!
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Jim Rome has a CBS Sports Minute about this that had me busting a gut.
I can't imagine Romey getting any point across in only a minute. That is hi larious.
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So the team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to Local Radio station WEEI that the refs went to the 12 back up balls at half time that were inspected and had the right PSI.
So just for the record.
2 pounds less PSI -- Pats 17, Indy 7 -- 1ST Half
with the correct PSI -- Pats 28, Indy 0 -- Second half.
Maybe Indy shouldn't of complained.
https://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
I think this is missing the point. The Patriots drubbing of the Colts is not the story; the story is the Patriots, once again, apparently crossing that line again that separates gamesmanship and cheating. And if they did this, do you really think Sunday was the first time? And it makes you wonder what else they do? Now, I am naive to where I think that other teams don't try to get away with what they can as well, but the Patriots seem to take it to a whole other level, which is sad for them because the combination of this and Spygate will taint their legacy/dynasty in the eyes of a lot of people. I am sure the Pats and their fans couldn't care less, or at least that's what they'd all say, but years from now, when the greatness of the Patriots dynasty, Belichick's place among the all-time great coaches and Brady's GOAT status are all discussed, this will be a part of each of those conversations. There will now always be that "Yeah, but..."
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Kev, I think most Pats fans could get over spygate, Today listening to fans, most of them are really annoyed by this. They feel it was unnecessary and opens the Patriots up to all this second guessing.
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I think this is missing the point. The Patriots drubbing of the Colts is not the story; the story is the Patriots, once again, apparently crossing that line again that separates gamesmanship and cheating. And if they did this, do you really think Sunday was the first time? And it makes you wonder what else they do? Now, I am naive to where I think that other teams don't try to get away with what they can as well, but the Patriots seem to take it to a whole other level, which is sad for them because the combination of this and Spygate will taint their legacy/dynasty in the eyes of a lot of people. I am sure the Pats and their fans couldn't care less, or at least that's what they'd all say, but years from now, when the greatness of the Patriots dynasty, Belichick's place among the all-time great coaches and Brady's GOAT status are all discussed, this will be a part of each of those conversations. There will now always be that "Yeah, but..."
I tend to agree with you, and that's why this bugs me. It'll tarnish their legacies a bit, altbhough to be honest I think that was the case anyway. But moreover it just wasn't necessary. Where I will differ with you is that other teams aren't necessarily as bad. I have no reason to assume that the Patriots take it to a whole new level as you say. It's just as likely that they're not as good as getting away with it. All we know is that they got caught twice. Doesn't mean they're doing anything that others aren't doing.
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Kev, I'm not disagreeing with you. They should be fined. I believe Bellichick's gruffness with the league, other teams tend to rub others that they don't turn a blind eye to the things most coaches do so their QB's are afforded the same. What makes him great is what is his downfall.
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Getting back to the games, looking at this picture below has to make every Packer fan sick to their stomach. That is the exact moment the Packer DB picked that ball off with 5 minutes and change to play. Look at how much room he had to run!! He probably returns it to at least FG range and possibly the distance with good blocking. Unbelievable.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B70maYKIIAAAN6m.jpg:large)
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Yup. Ridiculous.
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If the situations were reversed there, no way does a Seahawk DB go down. He's doing whatever he can to take it to the house.
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How much you wanna bet Brady could throw a football over them mountains?
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Getting back to the games, looking at this picture below has to make every Packer fan sick to their stomach. That is the exact moment the Packer DB picked that ball off with 5 minutes and change to play. Look at how much room he had to run!! He probably returns it to at least FG range and possibly the distance with good blocking. Unbelievable.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B70maYKIIAAAN6m.jpg:large)
Damn, that's a lot of space, and he's got some blockers (who were apparently yelling at him to go down :facepalm:).
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/01/21/new-england-patriots-deflating-footballs-may-not-as-easy-as-it-sounds/22113343/
Chain of custody for game balls. CLiffs: the refs keep them until immediately before kickoff. They give a few to the respective ball boys. The refs then keep them in their lockerroom during halftime. Seems the ballboys would have very little time to manipulate them, and might well have to be doing what they're doing in full view of everybody (including cameras). Author goes on to state that getting each of them to exactly -2psi would be tricky without spending a fair amount of time doing it.
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Tom Pelissero is apparently the pen name for Scott Zolack. ;D
Belichick's press conference is at 9:30 this morning. I place the over/under on "It's a league matter" or "it's a matter for the league" at 10 1/2.
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Anyone else would say the same thing.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/01/21/new-england-patriots-deflating-footballs-may-not-as-easy-as-it-sounds/22113343/
Chain of custody for game balls. CLiffs: the refs keep them until immediately before kickoff. They give a few to the respective ball boys. The refs then keep them in their lockerroom during halftime. Seems the ballboys would have very little time to manipulate them, and might well have to be doing what they're doing in full view of everybody (including cameras). Author goes on to state that getting each of them to exactly -2psi would be tricky without spending a fair amount of time doing it.
The Pats bought off the Ref, the Commish & the Ball Boys. :lol
I do believe that the Pats have done it. But all coaches do this for the comfort of their QB's. Some like it inflated other deflated, some scuffed up ect. The league has the rule in place but never enforce it as shown this year in a Vikings game.
https://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings
The told them to knock it off. Instead of punishing them which tells me they are ok with what teams do since they didn't punish the Vikings. Problem is, it was brought to light by another team and now the league has to investigate it.
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Tom Brady: I like the ball at 12 1/2.
Tom Brady: I can't tell whether a ball is overinflated or underinflated.
checkmate.
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Yeah I got that too
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"Once I get on the field to play, I don't worry about the football."
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
The coverup is always worse than the crime.
This shouldn't be that big a deal, but Tom Brady coming off like the worst liar ever just make it 100 times worse.
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The coverup is always worse than the crime.
This shouldn't be that big a deal, but Tom Brady coming off like the worst liar ever just make it 100 times worse.
Nah, in this case it doesn't matter. It is and will always be as bad as it can get given their past history and the animosity towards them in general. Absolutely nothing that Brady, Belichick or The League says or does will change anybody's mind one bit about this. Opinions are already set in stone here.
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Okay, but that is simplifying it a bit too much. For one, they've earned their reputation as cheaters. Two, many of us whom many would think of as "Patriots haters" don't think this story is that big a deal, but again, the coverup is making it way worse. Brady and Belichick lying their asses off today just reinforces the opinion of many that they are dishonest persons. It's pretty crazy that two guys as savvy as them thought their best game plan to tackle this story was to come out and lie and be that obvious about it. They must really think people are stupid, thinking that everyone would buy what they were selling.
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It's more "Lawyer Speak" really. They should have came out and said Brady likes less PSI in his footballs and then a small fine would be it.
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Troy Aikman said there is no way that this happened without Brady knowing about it/being behind it.
For what it's worth.
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He may be right. But then again, he is a tool, and may be completely off base.
I am a card-carrying Patriot hater, and I STILL say "who cares?" This whole thing is such a complete non-issue to me, whether Brady and/or BB are lying or not.
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I've been seeing a few articles calling for BB being banned from the NFL, and the Patriots not deserving to play in the Super Bowl and I just can't help but laugh. Sure I may be a fan of a rival team, but the degree this stupid shit is getting blown up to, it's being treated like Tom Brady and BB beat up a classroom full of kids with Down Syndrome on video.
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Troy Aikman said there is no way that this happened without Brady knowing about it/being behind it.
For what it's worth.
The consensus seems to be that no quarterback would fail to notice a ball being 2 pounds light. The being behind it part sounds like nonsense to me.
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I hate the Patriots as much as the next guy, but this seems a little silly to me. This is nowhere near the big deal that many people are making it.
Not sure I understand the rationale of each team supplying its own balls if you can't tweak them a little.
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The simple answer is to let the refs check the balls before and each half only to hand them right before each kick off.
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Seahawks to wear home uniforms in the SB!
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Rats. I like the Pats dark uniforms.
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The simple answer is to let the refs check the balls before and each half only to hand them right before each kick off.
I believe that's already the case.
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I thought so too but I heard the balls were given to the team 2 hours before kickoff. I may be wrong though.
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I thought so too but I heard the balls were given to the team 2 hours before kickoff. I may be wrong though.
NFL rules require each team to provide 12 primary balls to the referee for testing 2 hours, 15 minutes before kickoff to ensure they fall between the proper inflation limits of 12½ to 13½ pounds per square inch. The home team also must provide 12 backup balls, and the visiting team has the option to provide 12 more for outdoor games such as Sunday's at Gillette Stadium.
The referee "shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications" and the balls "remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game," according to Rule 2, Section 1.
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I did read that, then I heard that the pats got the balls a little earlier. I'll have to look the interwebs.
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Seems no one's willing to consider that maybe the Patriots delivered 12 underinflated balls to the refs, a la St. Rogers, expecting them to be flagged and the refs just missed it. Considering everyone's mistrust of the league it's interesting that their mistrust of the Patriots is greater.
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Could be. I just wonder why the league wouldn't want to wrap up this fast before the SB.
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Idk if this is the right time to come in with a 'newbie question', but how often do they change the ball during a game? And do the already-used balls get re-used, if they can?
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Idk if this is the right time to come in with a 'newbie question', but how often do they change the ball during a game? And do the already-used balls get re-used, if they can?
I'm not sure but I suspect they change them when the QB wants a new one.
And here's something, why do both teams get to supply their own balls? If the NFL wants them standardized, the the NFL should supply the damn balls. This really isn't rocket science.
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And here's something, why do both teams get to supply their own balls? If the NFL wants them standardized, the the NFL should supply the damn balls. This really isn't rocket science.
I agree with this.
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Also, when it's raining or wet they will exchange the balls.
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Seems no one's willing to consider that maybe the Patriots delivered 12 underinflated balls to the refs, a la St. Rogers, expecting them to be flagged and the refs just missed it.
Funny but that is what I was thinking happened the whole time , but today's statement New York the league states the the balls were in fact checked for legality.
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And here it is.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/nfl-issues-statement-on-deflategate-investigation/
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Wow! I never knew that temperature could affect ball pressure. What a revelation! :justjen
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Seahawks to wear home uniforms in the SB!
I don't think the designated home team wearing their "home" uniforms is newsworthy. When they decide to go "Away", like the Steelers did in 2006 is when it's newsworthy, imo.
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the punishment should be to make Belichick do Hard Knocks for the next couple of years
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the punishment should be to make Belichick do Hard Knocks for the next couple of years
I would love that! :lol
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I heard an interesting analogy today, comparing this to steroids. Belichick and Brady are more Bonds and Clemens than Sosa and McGwire: they likely would have been all-time greats even without the cheating, but the cheating they did do does taint their overall legacy a bit. While it's not the same thing, obviously, it's not a bad way of looking at it.
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And here's something, why do both teams get to supply their own balls? If the NFL wants them standardized, the the NFL should supply the damn balls. This really isn't rocket science.
I haven't looked into it but I heard on the radio that they used to but Peyton started some kind of campaign for teams to use their practice balls.
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Just gonna leave this right here....couldn't find it on youtube...yet.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=818229948216073&set=vb.100000872262786&type=2&theater
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What's the best part about dating a Patriots fan?
They don't care if you cheat.
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Kev. That is such a bad joke. So poorly crafted, I'd swear you were a Jaguar fan. :biggrin:
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Not sure what that even means. :lol ???
"I've handled dozens of balls over the past week." -Bill Belichick
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Now handling balls "is" funny.
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Funny thing is, Belichick's explanation just now sound pretty reasonable, but that still doesn't explain why 11 of their footballs were off and none of the Colts were. And Brady lying his ass off the other day really sticks out like a sore thumb.
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I think we all know QB's have their preferences and Tom got caught. I just think this is a speeding ticket not vehicular manslaughter. But not fessing up will hurt Tom in the end. If he fessed up right away, I think it would have been a fine only.
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In other news. The NFL has said that if Marshawn Lynch makes any lewd gestures at any point in time during the game, The Seahawks will be penalized 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct.
But since he only grabs his crotch on TD's, it would be enforced on the ensuing kickoff....which Steven H could most likely still kick through the endzone if he wanted to....making this a complete non-issue.
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In other words, Lynch is free to be a classless jackass all he wants, while he also pisses money away because he can't stand spend two minutes talking to the media, even though it was in the contract he himself signed. He's a beast on the field, but he is one guy you won't feel the least bit sorry for if you hear about him being broke five years after he's done playing.
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In other words, Lynch is free to be a classless jackass all he wants, while he also pisses money away because he can't stand spend two minutes talking to the media, even though it was in the contract he himself signed. He's a beast on the field, but he is one guy you won't feel the least bit sorry for if you hear about him being broke five years after he's done playing.
Dude has a great community presence off the field, who gives a shit if he doesn't want to answer a few dumb questions that are always the same boring garbage questions anyways.
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Uh, I think the NFL does, and since it was collectively bargained, it was in the contract Lynch signed. And hey, I think the media sucks, but show up, give your stoic one word answers, ala Bill Belichick, and save your money. Jackasses like Lynch forget how lucky they are to make millions playing football.
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This is true. The guy can really surprise you sometimes.
Apparently, Lynch found some guys lost wallet while on his way home from a game....so he just went to the guy's house and returned it. The guy said that Lynch was just a really nice 'down to earth' guy who simply wanted to return somone's wallet. Rumor is that Lynch was uncomfortable with the story being brought to light, because he didn't really want to make anything of it. He was just a guy who found and returned a wallet.
I mean, it's hard to blanket anyone as ALL class or ALL classless. Lynch has got a lot of class where it counts, and he is very active in many private ways within the community. He's just very uncomfortable with direct attention (like Neil Peart that way really)....and when the media tries to put a microscope on him, it makes him a bit pissed.
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Class where it counts? Like grabbing his dick when scoring a touchdown? Which is an act that only draws MORE attention from the media. :lol :lol
If Lynch legitimately has social anxiety disorder or something like that, instead of acting like a douche about it, why not get diagnosed with it so that can be his "out"? Trust me, I have no love for the jackassery that the NFL often flaunts, and the media sucks swamp water, but again, he signed the contract. Most have little things that are a part of their job that they might not like, but hey, we all do them, because it's what you do. Unless you're the boss, meaning you can do whatever you want, just suck it up and do those little things.
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If Lynch legitimately has social anxiety disorder or something like that, instead of acting like a douche about it
(https://i.imgur.com/8DhtbZX.gif)
I mean, why should one even need an out? If they're not comfortable with cameras thrust in their face while being asked a zillion questions, why keep fucking pestering them when there's PLENTY of other players on the team?
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Because a) the media, again, sucks swamp water, and b) Lynch is CONTRACTUALLY expected to do it. It's part of the contract he himself signed (for the third time).
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Because a) the media, again, sucks swamp water, and b) Lynch is CONTRACTUALLY expected to do it. It's part of the contract he himself signed (for the third time).
Yes, we get that it's part of his contract, but after a certain point, it just makes the organization look like complete asshats to keep threatening him and fining him. He doesn't like interviews, move on from it.
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I get Lynch. All that media attention makes him uncomfortable. But he'll talk for an hour with one person he's comfortable with. Sounds like social anxiety disorder to me, which I have some of.
As to grabbing his thang, well, that's lost on me.
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Fining him for not doing something he agreed to do when he signed the contract is something most big businesses will do. Just about any of us can't get away with telling our bosses, "I don't like this part of my job, so I am not just not gonna do it." If the bosses don't enforce it, it makes them look weak. Everyone must be held to the same standard. If they stop fining Lynch, many will start boycotting the media as well, and if anyone gets fined, they can play the "Why am I getting fined when Marshawn Lynch isn't?" card. The NFL has to do it. Personally, I would find it much more amusing if Lynch just showed up and gave one-word answers to every single question. Mocking the media seems like more fun than ignoring them.
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Personally, I think that part of the contract is complete BS...and needs to be re-visited.
NO HUMAN BEING should be forced to sign a contract that...in effect...whores out their dignity.
It sortof like saying, "we will give you millions of dollars and take care of you for the rest of your life so that you can do something you LOVE to do.....but first, you have to agree to appear in a bukkake video every weekend for your entire career."
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I sort of agree, but really, considering what they made to playing freaking football, dedicating two-three minutes a week to sitting in front of the media seems like a cakewalk. Hell, he should start doing all of his interviews at press conferences with Richard Sherman (kind of like how James and Wade always did post-game pressers in Miami together for a while) and just let Sherman always answer for him. Sherman is never at a loss for words, after all. :lol :lol
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No matter which side you're on... THIS IS FUNNY!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin
New England Patriots Ball Boy Confesses: https://youtu.be/NF3TZrvkKvc
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Class where it counts? Like grabbing his dick when scoring a touchdown? Which is an act that only draws MORE attention from the media. :lol :lol
If Lynch legitimately has social anxiety disorder or something like that, instead of acting like a douche about it, why not get diagnosed with it so that can be his "out"? Trust me, I have no love for the jackassery that the NFL often flaunts, and the media sucks swamp water, but again, he signed the contract. Most have little things that are a part of their job that they might not like, but hey, we all do them, because it's what you do. Unless you're the boss, meaning you can do whatever you want, just suck it up and do those little things.
Hey man. I have crippling social anxiety. The kind where I feel like I am having a stroke, can't breathe, feel surreal. Yet, I am a teacher responsible for 160 kids every day. It's one thing to do your job (his playing football to my teaching the lesson). But when there is a faculty meeting, I feel completely anxious and it is so overwhelming. It's made MUCH worse by people having eyes on you, so I can only imagine Lynch's discomfort during interviews. You'd rather die right there then go on feeling that way.
Contractual or not, it's a rough feeling.
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One of the best parts of the SB is the marathon of SB films of the past on NFL Network. John Facenda the master. It's on now.
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Kev. Stop changing your Avatar. It's messing me up! :lol
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(https://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14600000/Dexter-1x07-Circle-Of-Friends-dexter-14644778-1360-768.jpg)
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:lol
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Yeah, that confused me as well. :lol
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Am I the only one who only sees a broken link?
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I'm not.
I refuse to watch the Pro Bowl tonight.
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I don't have sympathy for Lynch. He should talk to the media. If he doesn't like that part of his job THAT much, he should get a different job.
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I don't have sympathy for Lynch. He should talk to the media. If he doesn't like that part of his job THAT much, he should get a different job.
I'm sorry but that's such a silly thing to say. He's a fantastic football player, who gives back to the community and if the NFL weren't such asshats they'd just accept that a player doesn't like being put in situations he finds extremely uncomfortable and interview someone else after the game. Why should he quit a job that he's amazing at because he doesn't like one, teeny tiny aspect that's trying to be forced upon him?
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I have no sympathy for the media how always huffs and puffs when someone doesn't talk to them because their dirtbag reporters couldn't get a juicy scoop or soundbite to play over and over again out of context.
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I don't have sympathy for Lynch. He should talk to the media. If he doesn't like that part of his job THAT much, he should get a different job.
I'm sorry but that's such a silly thing to say. He's a fantastic football player, who gives back to the community and if the NFL weren't such asshats they'd just accept that a player doesn't like being put in situations he finds extremely uncomfortable and interview someone else after the game. Why should he quit a job that he's amazing at because he doesn't like one, teeny tiny aspect that's trying to be forced upon him?
Who the fuck else gets to only do the parts of their job that they like?
He gets paid millions of dollars. He can do ALL of his job, even the parts he doesn't like. No sympathy here. Especially when he does that juvenile crotch grab shit on top of it.
He's a fantastic football player, but fuck him.
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You're right. It's not a matter of dignity...he should just sit there and take it. Heck, he doesn't even have to DO anything. Just let them gather around and furiously spank themselves. Maybe he can just close his eyes and pretend that his mother is wisking up some pancake batter.
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Sorry, would that have been a good time to post in green? :angel:
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It's his job to do interviews. All he has to do is give them the same bland, stock answers all the time. That's it.
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It's his job to do interviews. All he has to do is give them the same bland, stock answers all the time. That's it.
I still say that the requirement is on par with the "couch casting" days of Hollywood past. "How badly do you want this part, honey?" Not an exaggeration to me at all. It is simply that heinous.
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Unfortunately, it's in their contracts they signed so they know what tgeir getting into.
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Yea, because if they want to play football, they can always go to another league that won't require them to do that.
oh....wait....
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That doesn't matter. Your being unrealistic. They know when they grab that pen, it comes with other responsibilities. They also give up a bit of privacy with being famous. If he's ok with the fines he can continue doing the same thing.
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Imagine this. Imagine that there is *only one* avenue to get your music into other people's ears and get paid for it. One record company controls *EVERYTHING*.
Now imagine that you were offered a contract like what I mentioned above. Millions of dollars, doing what you love to do, a benefit and retirement package that is off the charts.........but there's a catch. You're saying that as a musician who only wants to play music, you'd take the only contract in existence in spite of the fact that you have to perform weekly acts of depravity? (I mean, unless you LIKE that kinda thing....some do....it's not for me to judge)
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Yes that's called the 70's.
I signed a contract to be on salary. When I'm over 50 hours every week I think it sucks, but guess what? I signed up knowing this. So did every football player. Am I sympathetic? Yes. But they knew it was part of the deal.
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Interviews are not forced upon Lynch...he signed a contract agreeing to do them (for the fourth time now).
hef and kings are spot-on. :tup :tup
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And I'm saying it's a BS contract.
It's worse than the 70's music business, because at least in the 70's you had no less than three major record companies in competition and you had the ability to negotiate. This is FAR worse. They have you over a barrell and they can force you into swimming in a pool of bile and doing party tricks for birthday parties if they want to.
When there's only one way or nothing....that *IS* forced.
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Marshawn Lynch made 6.5 million dollars this year. The poor guy. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And he should probably realize that without ESPN, the media, etc., football wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is, and he'd be making a whole lot less. To play f'ing football.
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And think of it this way: all Lynch has to do is give the media two minutes after every game. Two minutes. Even if you count exhibition, that comes to less than an hour of time he has to give to the media...a year...in which he made 6.5 million dollars.
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I think that's a bunk argument because human dignity is priceless. Implying otherwise is to imply that you would give up your dignity if the price was right.
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Human dignity for a guy who grabs his junk after scoring a touchdown. That's a good one.
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Sex by choice is sex. Sex by extortion is rape.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol Now you're just being silly.
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Ok....it's hyperbole....a bit.
But I think I may have stumbled on the correct verb. Extortion. That is *exactly* what that portion of the contract is.
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Jammindude, I never thought I'd say this but your driving Kev to root for the Pats. :rollin
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I think that's a bunk argument because human dignity is priceless. Implying otherwise is to imply that you would give up your dignity if the price was right.
Human dignity? He isn't being asked to pose nude. Your "casting couch" comparison is way off base.
It's a job requirement. End of story. Take out the trash, fill out your TPS report, and talk to the fucking media for 2 minutes.
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I will give you this. My opinion of modern media is below my opinion of Sharon Osbourne....and only (just barely) above child pornographers. I suppose that's why I feel so strongly about someone being forced to deal with them. If you want to deal with them, and it doesn't bother you, fine. But being extorted into dealing with these sub-human cockroaches is just.....eww. No one should ever have to be extorted into dealing with those people.
So my opinion of TMZ reporting and all their kind does color my opinions of being forced into dealing with them.
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He's being asked to have his words twisted and taken out of context though, and add that with social anxiety and I don't get how one can't understand why he doesn't want to do them and at least have a bit of sympathy for the guy.
Comparing a celebration he does on the field in the heat of the moment, surrounded by guys he's comfortable being around to his anxiety and general opinion of interviews is silly as well.
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Jammindude, I never thought I'd say this but your driving Kev to root for the Pats. :rollin
Well, let's not get crazy :lol, but I will say this:
If NE wins, they will go down in history as a better Super Bowl champion than the 2014 Seahawks will if they win. NE has been the more impressive team this year, from their stretch of winning teams they beat in November and December to the comeback over Baltimore to the impressive beatdown of Indy last week. Meanwhile, while Seattle has been really good this year, they've been pretty damn lucky, too: Arizona losing their 1st AND 2nd string QBs, allowing Seattle to steal the AFC West and home field; drawing the 7-8-1 Panthers in the divisional round; getting really lucky last week thanks to the Packers epic collapse. Granted, you have to have a little luck to get to, and win, the Super Bowl, but Seattle has had more luck than the Patriots have had this season. Granted, we cannot remove the "it's difficult to repeat" factor, but the Patriots have looked like the best team in the NFL since Week 5, while Seattle has looked like a good/very good team for most of the season. But hey, Seattle can make that all meaningless next week by winning, but they aren't facing a team starting their 3rd string QB, or an under .500 team, next week; they are facing a team with the best coach in the league. Deflategate or not.
Okay, now I need to go take a shower. :lol :lol
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:lol
*Faints*
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This is just going to make a Seahawk victory that much sweeter. :xbones
Just read on ESPN today that if the Seahawks win....we *can* start talking "dynasty"......
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Let's get away from the "yeahs" and "thanks for axing" and re-live a really great moment where Marshawn actually says one or two things, gets rescued by a friend, and maybe gives you a glimpse into the person inside.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/seattle-seahawks/0ap2000000319583/Lynch-I-m-just-here-so-I-won-t-get-fined
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Just read on ESPN today that if the Seahawks win....we *can* start talking "dynasty"......
False. If they get to three, then you can start.
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ESPN just loves making up talking points don't they.
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I know for a lot of people, Deflategate is serious but I thought this was poignant.
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/6FC9A2C2-3F57-4428-9D13-BFCAFB7BD702_zps5vceanb3.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/6FC9A2C2-3F57-4428-9D13-BFCAFB7BD702_zps5vceanb3.jpg.html)
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Actually the way they investigate all things is pretty much the first one. As soon as the "we're doing everything we can" presser everything gets put on the back back back burner because they know they can since the money will keep rolling in no matter what.
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Confession.
I've decided to watch the Pro Bowl....because I'm sick in bed...I'm bored....and the remote doesn't work.
[e-trade baby] Noooooobooody knows.... [/e-trade baby]
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https://i.imgur.com/v5mZHEO.jpg
The NFL everybody.
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Yes...even I cringed when Sherman went on his now infamous Crabtree rant on national TV after last years championship win. But it's THESE moments when I absolutely love his outspokeness, and his fearlessness to call it like he sees it.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/25/richard-sherman-roger-goodell-robert-kraft-deflategate-patriots
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I will give you this. My opinion of modern media is below my opinion of Sharon Osbourne....and only (just barely) above child pornographers. I suppose that's why I feel so strongly about someone being forced to deal with them. If you want to deal with them, and it doesn't bother you, fine. But being extorted into dealing with these sub-human cockroaches is just.....eww. No one should ever have to be extorted into dealing with those people.
So my opinion of TMZ reporting and all their kind does color my opinions of being forced into dealing with them.
TMZ and their ilk is not who he is supposed to be talking to. He is supposed to be talking to actual journalist - beat writers from the Seatlle area, national correspondents, etc. Not douchebags who ambush you on your way out of the grocery store.
He's being asked to have his words twisted and taken out of context though, and add that with social anxiety and I don't get how one can't understand why he doesn't want to do them and at least have a bit of sympathy for the guy.
I do understand that he doesn't want to, and why he doesn't want to. My daughter has social anxiety too, I know all about it.
But that is not an excuse not to do certain things. It just makes certain things more difficult.
Everybody has issues they have to deal with. But everybody has to earn a living, and that often means tasks that aren't pleasant. Just fucking do it. In this case, it's literally 2 minutes a day.
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Ok....this is some SERIOUS BS HERE!!!!
Brandon Browner when asked about Sherman and Earl Thomas' injuries:
"I’m going to tell my teammates to go hit that elbow, go hit that shoulder. Try to break it if you can, you know?"
https://sportsglory.com/nfl/brandon-browner-teammates-break-shermans-arm-hit-thomass-shoulder/34428#ixzz3PxGx4uDJ
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I think all players go after injured players. Is is right? No but this happens all the time.
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Ok....this is some SERIOUS BS HERE!!!!
I agree, it was pretty stupid to let anyone know they were going to do it.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year? I mean...this is flat out head hunting, and I would prefer to believe that guys would want to face a healthy opponent. Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
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We should listen to the interview to see if it was said in jest or did he flat out say that.
In the end, they will bump Sherman physically. I just don't think they are articulate enough to actually say that.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?
No. That was a situation where you had coaches paying players bonuses for making illegal hits. 2 key differences: (1) paying players off; (2) illegal hits.
But I also have to say, as much as it sucks having players injured in the first place, as much as Sherman and Thomas "head-hunt" and deliberately try to injure other players, they should be prepared for some turnabout when they are vulnerable.
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And then they lied in interviews about it which was found out in emails later.
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Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
It says that you win.
I agree that this is a wrong thing to do.
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Where is the evidence that Sherman and Thomas have ever intentionally tried to injure another player? Browning is telling the public that he is telling his teammates to purposefully injure Sherman and Thomas.
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as much as Sherman and Thomas "head-hunt" and deliberately try to injure other players,
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What?
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I dunno, but I assume it was against San Francisco.
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Next thing you know, Bosk is going to be claiming that Russell Wilson kicks at players knees when he slides to go down :lol
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Quoting a Pats fan from another forum:
^ he should be lifetime-banned from playing.
I'm saying that as a Pats fan. There is no place - NO PLACE - for that kind of attitude. It's one thing to go out there and say, "Let's kick their ass!" It's another entirely to say, "Hey, that guy has a bum arm - break it. Take him out."
Fuck that Cobra Kai Sweep The Leg shit. Ban him.
I tend to agree.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year? I mean...this is flat out head hunting, and I would prefer to believe that guys would want to face a healthy opponent. Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
I highly doubt any team is ever at or ever close to 100% at any given time, or are you talking about specific players?
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Quoting a Pats fan from another forum:
^ he should be lifetime-banned from playing.
I'm saying that as a Pats fan. There is no place - NO PLACE - for that kind of attitude. It's one thing to go out there and say, "Let's kick their ass!" It's another entirely to say, "Hey, that guy has a bum arm - break it. Take him out."
Fuck that Cobra Kai Sweep The Leg shit. Ban him.
I tend to agree.
And as I said on that other forum you're taking part of the quote and interpreting it far too literally. He was referring to competitiveness: “You’re going to be my best friend after the game, but at the end of the day I know you want the Super Bowl just as bad as me.”
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Because what does it say about you if you beat an opponent who wasn't at 100%?
It says that you win.
:lol Pretty much that. I don't think there are many 49ers fans who would like to put an asterisk next to every single 49ers loss this year after the devastating series of injuries they suffered. But it is what it is. At the end of the day, injuries or no, they lost 8 games this season. If Seattle wins the Super Bowl, nobody is going to be able to make a credible argument that they only got there because the 49ers and Cardinals were too depleted by key injuries to have taken the NFC West, so it somehow doesn't say as much about the Seahawks. No, they will (rightly) simply say that the Seahawks are the Super Bowl champions.
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On a tangential but somewhat related note, I find the psychology of "playing hurt" fascinating. I completely get that players want to gut it out and help their team. That's part of what makes great competitors tick. I remember feeling that way when I played team sports in school. Heck, I did that when I tore a hammie playing ultimate a few years back. :lol
But the question is, when do you cross the line and end up hurting your team by playing when you aren't ready? For example, I think Seahawks fans, Seahawks haters, and everyone in between thought Sherman showed grit by staying in the Green Bay game when his arm looked like it was ready to fall off if it got hit. And I can't figure out for the life of me why the Packers did not go after him. But let's say they had. What if on GB's last drive, Rodgers goes after that side, and Sherman gets burned a few times or misses tackles because of his arm, and GB gets a touchdown and wins instead of a field goal to send it to overtime? Then I think the opinion changes from "look what a gritty player Sherman is" to "he never should have stayed in. After Wilson and the offense brought them back, Sherman cost them the game."
Or to extend that logic over a season, what about Vernon Davis playing for the 49ers? He became a complete non-factor this season. His speed was hampered. He could not get open. He was not aggressive going for balls, and even had some flat-out drops. As a result, his stat-line was that of a sub-par tight end rather than one of the most dominant tight ends in the game, and it (along with other factors) hurt the team this year.
So where do you draw the line? I know this is somewhat rhetorical because there is no simple answer. But I do find it interesting to ponder.
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In your example, players aren't actively seeking to injure him on purpose by targeting his arm. Your example just has Sherman not being able to play to the best of his ability.
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That's my whole point. Can he truly play to the best of his ability? Clearly, the answer is no. So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
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That's my whole point. Can he truly play to the best of his ability? Clearly, the answer is no. So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Let's say that he won't be playing at his best, he could still be playing well enough that taking him out isn't needed.
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That's my whole point. Can he truly play to the best of his ability? Clearly, the answer is no. So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Let's say that he won't be playing at his best, he could still be playing well enough that taking him out isn't needed.
Yup, could be. I really wish Green Bay had tested that, and it still boggles my mind that they didn't.
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That's my whole point. Can he truly play to the best of his ability? Clearly, the answer is no. So what is the threshold for pulling him out and replacing him?
Can he play better than your next best option.
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^That is one of the many questions that I think makes it an interesting debate.
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I guess I'm in shock. Sherman is a loudmouth, and said some unsportsmanlike things in the heat of the moment, and the entire world hates him.
Browning admits openly in a prepared interview that he's instructing his teammates to "sweep the leg" of an injured player, and the apologists come out in full force.
And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse. Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.
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And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse. Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.
He may be a dirty player, but if so, I don't buy that THAT is one of the reasons he is not a Seahawk anymore. Him being a dirty player would have put him in good company.
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I guess I'm in shock. Sherman is a loudmouth, and said some unsportsmanlike things in the heat of the moment, and the entire world hates him.
Browning admits openly in a prepared interview that he's instructing his teammates to "sweep the leg" of an injured player, and the apologists come out in full force.
And I'm not buying the whole....'just kiddin bro' excuse. Browning was a dirty player and that's one of the reasons he's NOT a Seahawk any more.
It really is the mentality of the league.
I've read countless stories where a team will test an injured player. That's football. They also throw or run to the person's position to test him as well. That's why people get on Bill Bellichick so much about his injury report, because so many players will test that injury.
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Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year? I mean...this is flat out head hunting,
Give me a break.
Isn't this why the Saints coach got suspended for a year?
No.
Thank you.
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Testing the ability of an injured player is NOT the same as purposefully, and with willful intent trying to do further damage to the injury with the purpose of taking him to the sideline in a stretcher. "Break his arm" was what he said....not "we're going to through some challenges in his direction to see if he's playing to full abiltity or not."
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I don't think you know the NFL that well then Jammin. Seriously there are so many stories out there knowing how many players do this.
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What classless SB this is going to be. Can't stand either of these teams. The Brady bunch vs. The Seagirls.
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Then why was there such an uproar when the Saints did it? Ok...so it was the coaches, and they were paying people. That is a minor difference, but whay I saw people getting pissed about was *knowingly going out to injure other players*. In the only way in which it matters, this is the same thing.
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Listen, I agree it's wrong morally, but players do these things. Now, I don't think a player will do that in the SB where every penalty magnifies everything. I do think they will test players like Sherman by throwing or running his way early to gauge how healthy he really is.
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Listen, I agree it's wrong morally, but players do these things. Now, I don't think a player will do that in the SB where every penalty magnifies everything. I do think they will test players like Sherman by throwing or running his way early to gauge how healthy he really is.
And if that's all that happens, I won't have a problem with it.
But I think the NFL needs to investigate his statement.
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You can't investigate that unless he does something. That's why the league investigated the saints. There we injured players. Hey, I'm sensitive to all this. You're about my age, Remember Stanley Morgan? Yeah, that sticks in my mind all the time. You just can't act on something verbal if there is no action that backs up what he said.
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I definitely want to see Patriots punished somehow and I wonder if anyone but Patriots fans disagree?
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Are you thinking of Darryl Stingley? That was an absolutely soul crushing story. Tatum was never the same.
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Then why was there such an uproar when the Saints did it? Ok...so it was the coaches, and they were paying people. That is a minor difference, but whay I saw people getting pissed about was *knowingly going out to injure other players*. In the only way in which it matters, this is the same thing.
A: Because it was systemic and orchestrated. B: Because the Patriots aren't doing anything of the sort outside of your fanboy-filtered outrage.
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I definitely want to see Patriots punished somehow and I wonder if anyone but Patriots fans disagree?
I am not a Patriots fan, and I disagree.
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Knowingly try to injure a player is not the same thing as targeting the injured body part of a player. All teams do that. If a RB is coming back from having a sprained ankle, you can best believe that in every pile, someone on the defense is gonna try to grab and twist it.
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Knowingly try to injure a player is not the same thing as targeting the injured body part of a player. All teams do that. If a RB is coming back from having a sprained ankle, you can best believe that in every pile, someone on the defense is gonna try to grab and twist it.
I don't get how that's not the same fucking thing. They're knowingly trying to injure a player by targeting trouble spots on a player for fucks sake.
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Then why was there such an uproar when the Saints did it? Ok...so it was the coaches, and they were paying people. That is a minor difference, but whay I saw people getting pissed about was *knowingly going out to injure other players*. In the only way in which it matters, this is the same thing.
A: Because it was systemic and orchestrated. B: Because the Patriots aren't doing anything of the sort outside of your fanboy-filtered outrage.
It is *by definition* orchestrated.
Orchestrate: To arrange or manipulate by means of planning or maneuvering.
He has stated a week in advance (arranging and planning) that he is giving his fellow teammates instructions (manuveuring) to "break the arm" of a player with a known existing injury.
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Testing the ability of an injured player is NOT the same as purposefully, and with willful intent trying to do further damage to the injury with the purpose of taking him to the sideline in a stretcher. "Break his arm" was what he said....not "we're going to through some challenges in his direction to see if he's playing to full abiltity or not."
Not sure how that makes Browner any different than any other player in the league. Do you think if Gronkowski had a bum knee, Sherman's not going for it?? Browner is just an idiot to say that kind of thing publicly.
J Dude, c'mon man.
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I definitely want to see Patriots punished somehow and I wonder if anyone but Patriots fans disagree?
But what's the punishment? A fine only it should be unless Bellichick or Brady lied.
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Testing the ability of an injured player is NOT the same as purposefully, and with willful intent trying to do further damage to the injury with the purpose of taking him to the sideline in a stretcher. "Break his arm" was what he said....not "we're going to through some challenges in his direction to see if he's playing to full abiltity or not."
Not sure how that makes Browner any different than any other player in the league. Do you think if Gronkowski had a bum knee, Sherman's not going for it?? Browner is just an idiot to say that kind of thing publicly.
J Dude, c'mon man.
Trying to judge intent is something that I feel is very dangerous to do. If something happens, and I have no way of knowing their intent, I am the type of person that will generally (there are exceptions) assume that the best of intentions was in play. (it's sortof like how people say around here that the world actually full of good people for the most part, and we only *think* it's full of bad people because those are the ones we hear about) I choose to believe that MOST NFL players would not participate in this Cobra Kai "sweep the leg" BS. (I'm stealing that because it fits perfectly)
You may feel it is more common that I do. Maybe you think ALL NFL players are dirty. But I still choose to believe that most players are not dirty unless I have proof, or open confession. Now when someone ANNOUNCES their intent in a public interview, they are responsible for what they said, and there's no room for guesswork. He said it. They are going after him. They are going to "sweep the leg"... And I'm just saying that it really sours the entire game if the NFL doesn't do something about it. Is that the game the NFL wants on the field???
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Well, but "sweep the leg" was clearly illegal and violated rules. Hitting a player in an arm that is injured is not remotely against the rules whatsoever. That analogy does not hold up at all.
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Willfull intention of injury is against the rules and is subject to fines across the board. Just ask Suh.
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Willfull intention of injury is against the rules and is subject to fines across the board. Just ask Suh.
No, I would rather ask the NFL rulebook. And there is nothing that makes "willful intention of injury" per se against the rules. It depends on the manner of the injury. A hit that is otherwise 100% legal does not suddenly become illegal because the player delivering the hit wanted to injure.
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Seems like Browner brought that "legion of boom" attitude over to New England with him. I mean come on, how can you watch the way a guy like Chancellor plays and not think that he is trying to hurt people every chance he gets? Haven't you seen him hurt his own players trying to hit others?
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Wow. People's team colors taint their perspective so much, that they would rather protect one player's open confession of dirty play, and another player with a long documented history of dirty play, than protect a smart mouthed rival who is the victim of such nonsense. Unbelieveable.
Just to be clear, if Sherman ever said something like this in the open, I would turn on him just as quickly.
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So, guys, who is ready for that game on Sunday?
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Wow. People's team colors taint their perspective so much,
Really?? :lol
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Wow. People's team colors taint their perspective so much, that they would rather protect one player's open confession of dirty play, and another player with a long documented history of dirty play, than protect a smart mouthed rival who is the victim of such nonsense. Unbelieveable.
Just to be clear, if Sherman ever said something like this in the open, I would turn on him just as quickly.
Sorry, but the only person I see in this discussion whose team colors is tainting his perspective is you. The fact remains that, while it may have been a jerk thing for him to say, there is nothing illegal about it. And, honestly, I am not sure there should be. If that were not the case, this would be the headline story on every sports-related page on the Internet. It isn't, and for good reason (namely because even 2 minutes in the NFL rulebook will tell you that there is nothing illegal about it).
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I think you are taking his words too literally, jammindude. I doubt he actually wants his teammates to break Sherman's arm. He just means they will target that weakness, like making throwing passes difficult for him to defend because of the injury, or having the WRs get physical with him in press coverage and try to weaken his arm.
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I think you are taking his words too literally, jammindude. I doubt he actually wants his teammates to break Sherman's arm. He just means they will target that weakness, like making throwing passes difficult for him to defend because of the injury, or having the WRs get physical with him in press coverage and try to weaken his arm.
I'm taking Browner at his word. You're giving him too much credit.
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Wow. People's team colors taint their perspective so much, that they would rather protect one player's open confession of dirty play, and another player with a long documented history of dirty play, than protect a smart mouthed rival who is the victim of such nonsense. Unbelieveable.
Just to be clear, if Sherman ever said something like this in the open, I would turn on him just as quickly.
For the record, I'm not a fan of either team and I am not trying to defend Browner. I just think it's funny how hypocritical sports fans can be.
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I'm a huge Russell Wilson fan. I really can't wait for this game.
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I'm pretty excited for the game myself. I can't wait to see the Patriots offense against Seattle's defense on the big stage. I think Seattle will prevail in this one, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
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I'm pretty excited for the game myself. I can't wait to see the Patriots offense against Seattle's defense on the big stage. I think Seattle will prevail in this one, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
I agree. I think it's going to be a tough game for the Pats O. As always, it depends on their O Line.
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I think this game will be one for the ages. This will be a heavyweight fight with both having a chance to win. I can't wait!
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KJ Wright responds....with class.
"I didn't know he said that, but we don't play like that," Wright said Monday. "We don't go out there and try to hurt guys. And I don't care if they do have an injury. We're not going out there trying to hurt people, and especially guys you're close to. If he said that, it's fine, but that's not our main focus."
"If you know a player's injured, you don't try to re-hurt him," Wright said. "You just try to play ball and play hard. But as far as going out there and targeting certain areas, that's unacceptable and shouldn't be in football."
https://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12232930
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All teams target players. Hell I watched teams try to sideline Odell Beckham for the last few weeks of the season and there were some very deliberate hits/attempts. Some teams are just a little more blatant than others.
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And now I'm going to defend a 49er.
How in the hell is what Brandon Browning said ok, but Colin Kaepernick gets fined 10K for wearing the wrong headphones???
Colin needs a refund and an apology....PRONTO!!
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No, he deserves a fine for wearing such terrible headphones.
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No, he deserves a fine for wearing such terrible headphones.
Hey now, they were pink to raise awareness of breast cancer. Saving breasts is very important to me. :angel:
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I've been staying out of this whole thing, but i have to point out that his name is Browner, not Browning. It was bugging me.
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I've been staying out of this whole thing, but i have to point out that his name is Browner, not Browning. It was bugging me.
DOH!!!
And what makes that even worse is that I had it right on my first post, and screwed it up on every post thereafter.
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I definitely want to see Patriots punished somehow and I wonder if anyone but Patriots fans disagree?
But what's the punishment? A fine only it should be unless Bellichick or Brady lied.
Assuming they lied, a draft pick.
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I can see that but it won't be a #1. 2 or a 3. We won't know for a while though.
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It's a shame such a good team is so tainted by cheating. I'm sure all teams do this, but when you're on top and the best for over a decade, expect everyone is going to be looking at you.
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Well, Spygate causes the mistrust. It's all Bills fault there. What makes him great is also his downfall.
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It's a shame such a good team is so tainted by cheating. I'm sure all teams do this, but when you're on top and the best for over a decade, expect everyone is going to be looking at you.
Yeah, which is why I'm so disappointed in it. Not only is it so unnecessary, in this case it's just cheap. A scam worthy of Belichick would have been inflating the balls with hot, wet air, so they'd gradually lower in pressure after they were inspected. That's a ploy I could have gotten on board with.
Fortunately, none of this has anything at all to do with the reasons I'm such a Belichick fan.
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J Dude, don't read this. ;D
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ron-cook-forget-patriots-seahawks-are-hard-to-like/ar-AA8CHr0
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J Dude, don't read this. ;D
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ron-cook-forget-patriots-seahawks-are-hard-to-like/ar-AA8CHr0
Nice little summary of some of the lowlights of the Seattle Seahawks over the past few years.
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Today's blizzard has us all trapped in the house watching the media day stuff. Can't wait to hear from Pete Carroll, who I love, BTW.
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Wanna go again Bosk? Seattle wins, you take a 12th Man avatar for a week....Patriots win and I have a Patriots avatar for a week.
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Wanna go again Bosk? Seattle wins, you take a 12th Man avatar for a week....Patriots win and I have a Patriots avatar for a week.
No. First off, there is nothing at stake for me winning since, not only is "my team" not in it, but there aren't even any teams that I like in it. Second, I am so morally disgusted with the Seahawks as a team and as people that I don't want to have anything to do with them, even if it is just in fun.
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So according to Pro Football Talk, the employee with the balls went into the bathroom for 90 seconds. The mystery continues.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/
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So according to Pro Football Talk, the employee with the balls went into the bathroom for 90 seconds. The mystery continues.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/
I reckon that's enough time for a good leak, a quick leak and cursory handwashing, or the deflation of 1 ball to a correct PSI. You're not deflating 11 balls by 2 lbs in that short amount of time.
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I'm copying and pasting from the Toucher & Rich Facebook page. They are one of the sports morning shows in Boston and he's saying from his sources, (reputable ones) that they balls were under the PSI when they gave them to the ref and the refs F'ed up. So I guess we'll see if this is true from the leaks the next few days. Here it is.
"According to my sources:
One thing that has been reported over the last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated and measured before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure guage each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.
But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, may times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a guage at all. Sometimes the refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.
Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the refs at a pressure that was just below the allowable PSI.
If it’s a situation where the refs DID use a guage, the refs would see that the balls were underinflated, and inflate them to their proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.
Thus, the underinflated balls. The Patriots according to my sources played with league approved deflated balls."
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"I'm just here so I won't get fined."
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"I'm just here so I won't get fined."
What a douche!
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
I happen to agree. He showed up, he was honest. No problem.
I still can't stand the Seahawks though...that f@#king electric green is the ugliest thing on television. I'm seriously concerned about permanent burn in on my plasma TV.
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
Nobody here is "insisting" that he do anything. People have just pointed out that he is obligated under contract to give interviews (and just "showing up" is not necessarily the same as giving an interview). People are entitled to think he is a douche for not living up to his obligations. Knock off the inflammatory posts.
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
Nobody here is "insisting" that he do anything. People have just pointed out that he is obligated under contract to give interviews (and just "showing up" is not necessarily the same as giving an interview). People are entitled to think he is a douche for not living up to his obligations. Knock off the inflammatory posts.
How can you honestly say to yourself that I'm posting inflammatory posts Bosk? Come on.
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
Nobody here is "insisting" that he do anything. People have just pointed out that he is obligated under contract to give interviews (and just "showing up" is not necessarily the same as giving an interview). People are entitled to think he is a douche for not living up to his obligations. Knock off the inflammatory posts.
How can you honestly say to yourself that I'm posting inflammatory posts Bosk? Come on.
Tell ya' what. I'll explain it to you when you get back from your week off. Bye now.
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And some of us are just saying the the requirement itself is a form of extortion, and really needs to be redone by the players Union.
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You're seriously banning me for a week? Talk about overkill.
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And some of us are just saying the the requirement itself is a form of extortion, and really needs to be redone by the players Union.
Sure, I get that you feel that way. But the fact remains that it isn't extortion, whether it needs to be renegotiated by the players' union or not. And the most important fact remains that, as of right now, it has not been renegotiated and is a valid part of his contract, so he has an obligation he is not meeting. And rather than fire him for refusing to comply with lawful terms of an employment contract (commonly referred to as "insubordination") as would happen in most jobs, he only gets repeat warnings and gets his pay docked. I would say he is doing just fine.
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I think he needs to take classes from Bill Bellichick on speaking to the media. :lol
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
He didn't deal with it at all. He was told to make himself available to the media. Unless you are batshit crazy, that means answering their questions.
I don't care how good he is on the field, or what good he does off the field. The more I see of him, the more I think he is a selfish prick douchenozzle fuckwad.
I will root for the Seahawks in spite of him.
And JD, please stop with the "extortion" BS. That's just hyperbolic crap.
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Pretty sure when he does a stunt like "I'm just here so I don't get fined" is more extortion than answering a few questions. The first gets more headlines, more views, more eyes on him. The second is normal in the sports world.
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See, was that so hard for Lynch to do? Do that every time and save your money. Oh, and he sure didn't look like a guy who has social anxiety; he just doesn't want to do it.
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I'll take electric green over red, white and blue any day. What an over-used sports color combo!
I loved the Team Irwin colors in the Pro Bowl this year.
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I don't care how good he is on the field, or what good he does off the field. The more I see of him, the more I think he is a selfish prick douchenozzle fuckwad. .
Yup.
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I'll take electric green over red, white and blue any day. What an over-used sports color combo!
I loved the Team Irwin colors in the Pro Bowl this year.
You do get why they are Red, White & Blue right? :lol
BTW, I love the Seahawks Uni's!
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I'll take electric green over red, white and blue any day. What an over-used sports color combo!
I loved the Team Irwin colors in the Pro Bowl this year.
You do get why they are Red, White & Blue right? :lol
BTW, I love the Seahawks Uni's!
Patriots: Yup.
Seahawks: Yeah, me too, actually.
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What? Y'all are insisting that he go to interviews, and just deal with it, and he did. Jesus christ.
Nobody here is "insisting" that he do anything. People have just pointed out that he is obligated under contract to give interviews (and just "showing up" is not necessarily the same as giving an interview). People are entitled to think he is a douche for not living up to his obligations. Knock off the inflammatory posts.
How can you honestly say to yourself that I'm posting inflammatory posts Bosk? Come on.
Tell ya' what. I'll explain it to you when you get back from your week off. Bye now.
lol wow
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I'll take electric green over red, white and blue any day. What an over-used sports color combo!
I loved the Team Irwin colors in the Pro Bowl this year.
You do get why they are Red, White & Blue right? :lol
BTW, I love the Seahawks Uni's!
1. Of course I get that, but I don't understand it for other teams.
2. Me too!
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You don't understand why American sport teams would use American colors :corn
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Another reason I love Sherman....but he's not going to be able to do this forever without Godell somehow firing back. Still, the 'stick it to the man' side of me is giving him a big :tup right now.
Sherman: EVERYONE in the NFL should be forced to talk to the media every week.....even Goodell.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/super-bowl-2015-seahawks-patriots-richard-sherman-everyone-should-speak-012715?adbid=10153575159839552&adbpl=fb&adbpr=112638779551&adbsc=social_20150127_39496657
EDIT: If you read the article, he actually thinks that the NFL should back off of players who find the media uncomfortable...but if you're going to apply the rules so absolutely, they should apply to Goodell as well.
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Did Goodell sign a contract saying he is required to do so?
That aside, I think it would be good to see the commish held accountable by having a weekly press conference, just like I've long said the president of the U.S. should do the same.
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Does Goodell not make himself available when people want to ask him something? I just don't see people banging down his door for intel except when there are scandals afoot. Lynch, on the other hand, is the star player on a SB team, and by copping the attitude that he is he's made himself a focal point of curiosity. If he'd taken the Belichick approach and answered with uninteresting nonsense then none of this would be going on. At this point every person with a press pass is going to want face time with him now. If you want to dispute the thug characterization, fine. I'm content to call him a tactless idiot.
And you've always been a fanboy, but when did you become so rabid about it? Have you always been this way and I've just missed it or is it the Superb Owl that riles you up. Christ, man, you're making DoC look fair and unbiased at this point.
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Aside from tactless idiot I'm going to add dickhead to the appropriate description. I watched the NFL video of him reciting his mantra 29 times and he actually seemed to be quite pleasant and relaxed during the spectacle. This wasn't a guy who had a real emotional issue with being foisted in front of cameras. This was a guy enjoying behaving like a stubborn douchenozzle.
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I've always called out Seahawks (and any Seattle sports figure *cough* Kemp *cough*) when I felt they were on the wrong side of things.
Lynch and Sherman just happen to hit on a few key issues that are very dear to me. 1) Being forced into something (even if it is technically by contract) that really isn't fair, and sacrifices your personal boundaries or space. I've never EVER bought into the whole "you're a star so now you have a responsibility to blah blah blah." Even though I despised The Phoenix Suns and especially Charles Barkley in the 90's, I thought his "I am not a role model" campaign was nothing short of brilliant. I hated him a little bit less ever since. 2) Forcing people to be PC. Here's where I eat some crow, because over the course of the day, everyone in the LoB pretty much said that Browner just exaggerates sometimes. He's like that, but he didn't mean it literally...he's just not very PC. Ok. So I retract everything I said about Browner, because that's exactly what I LOVE about Sherman. I still don't think Browner's wording was very well chosen. (just like I hate what Sherman said after the SF game last year) But I've heard now from several people that KNOW him personally, and have given concrete reasons not to rush to judgement.
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I don't know why the NFL pushes the issue. Lynch doesn't like talking to the media, so let him be. It's not like he is going to divulge their game plan or say anything of consequence. If the whole team refused to talk, I could see that as a problem, but it's one guy, and he's not the first player to not like mics shoved in his face. It doesn't make him a jerk or douchebag as some people here have suggested.
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if Lynch didn't come off like an @$$hole most of the time, I might be a bit more inclined to sympathize with his "cause", because I truly hate the media and their sense of entitlement about things like this. But he does, and I'm not.
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And I get to do another retraction.
You're right, he doesn't have social anxieties, he just really hates the sports media in general. Again, I can't say I really blame him. He doesn't like to talk shop, or about personal things. BUT, if it means an Xbox One for the Fam 1st Family Foundation (that he started) he's willing to open up quite a bit. Even so much as to SING for ET.
https://www.etonline.com/news/156938_seattle_seahawks_running_back_marshawn_lynch_sings_for_et/
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..... Christ, man, you're making DoC look fair and unbiased at this point.
I'm as fair an unbiased as they come. Hell, I've been too fair on here over the years. Don't know what I did to merit that kind of comment.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000464083/article/marshawn-lynch-im-just-here-so-i-wont-get-fined
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I think you have to be a complete NFL junkie to tune in to these sorts of press conferences. I get that people want time to ask the coaches and players questions, but the quality of answers is always very poor, whether those answers be in the form of Lynch's antics, Bill Belichick's groaning, Russel Wilson's "God did this" or stock answers like "we didn't execute," "we have to play better", "we've been working our tales off", "xyz is a competitor"
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I'd like to make the point that no one is being forced to do anything.
As Kev (and others) keep pointing out they volunteered to join the NFL and receive all its benefits and requirements. They signed a contract. All NFL players (including Lynch) are free to skip the press if they like but the consequence is a substantial fine.
I think a few contributors to this thread are projecting their personal motivations (fears) onto Lynch. To all appearances he's not afraid of the press, attention or notoriety.
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..... Christ, man, you're making DoC look fair and unbiased at this point.
I'm as fair an unbiased as they come. Hell, I've been too fair on here over the years. Don't know what I did to merit that kind of comment.
Um...if you think your comments in this thread come across as even being in the same zip code as "fair and unbiased," I think you may have some serious self-awareness issues, man. :lol
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Well the hell with all of you. I'm a proud Pats yahoo! :lol
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..... Christ, man, you're making DoC look fair and unbiased at this point.
I'm as fair an unbiased as they come. Hell, I've been too fair on here over the years. Don't know what I did to merit that kind of comment.
Um...if you think your comments in this thread come across as even being in the same zip code as "fair and unbiased," I think you may have some serious self-awareness issues, man. :lol
I have been argumentative, and have taking some pretty crazy stances in the past..... but I've always been fair and unbiased, and you'd have a heck of a hard time proving otherwise.
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..... Christ, man, you're making DoC look fair and unbiased at this point.
I'm as fair an unbiased as they come. Hell, I've been too fair on here over the years. Don't know what I did to merit that kind of comment.
I was being facetious, man. Didn't mean that as a dig at you. Merely that you're as big a fanboy as they come. Probably shoulda put a LOL or something after that.
And I get to do another retraction.
You're right, he doesn't have social anxieties, he just really hates the sports media in general. Again, I can't say I really blame him. He doesn't like to talk shop, or about personal things. BUT, if it means an Xbox One for the Fam 1st Family Foundation (that he started) he's willing to open up quite a bit. Even so much as to SING for ET.
https://www.etonline.com/news/156938_seattle_seahawks_running_back_marshawn_lynch_sings_for_et/
And that's what I was getting at with my second "dickhead" remark. You could tell by watching all of the IJHSODGFs that he was perfectly comfortable being there, and several of those were directed at Deion who he has no problem with. He was just acting like a spoiled brat.
And just a thought, Family First seems like a noble cause, but giving some kid an Xbox One? Doesn't that seem a little, er, counterproductive? Maybe throw in some games, slap a Seahawks decal on it, have the team autograph it, eBay it and donate the proceeds or something.
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Fox Sports Radio interviewed a Seattle sports radio host last night, he was talking about having Lynch on his show when he first came to the Seahawks. Lynch didn't really say anything then either. There was no Super Bowl hype involved, no TV, no reason or reputation to be that way.
I think this is both how he is and he is milking it since people are making a big deal about it. He's getting famous because of it. He'll retire soon anyway and this will all be forgotten in most of the sports world.
And because of the SB media coverage it's blowing up. If he was on say the Raiders and acting this way, no one would care.
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DOC is just fine. I think I even complimented him for his unbiasedness a page or so ago. Bart's comment was in jest and I got it.
DOC is very passionate and and that comes through but compared to some of the yahoos, he's actually quite reserved.
That's what Bart was getting at.
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More douchebaggery, that everyone was already kinda aware of.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-other-patriots-conspiracy-theory--legarrett-blount-s-scheme-to-reunite-with-bill-belichick-233502306-nfl.html
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Now you're blowing smoke up everybody's ass. The dude wanted to play. Did he handle it wrong. A thousand times yes but that's just bat shit crazy. Hell, it cost him a ton of money.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how you could find any wrongdoing there. Besides which, the Steelers didn't have to release him. They could have kept him aboard out of spite or they could have suspended him, which would have saved them the money but kept him from leaving. Besides which, the Steelers had to have known that another team would snatch him up. Low mileage running backs are a hot commodity.
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Lynch is just another in a long line of NFL characters (Ochocinco, etc). Without them, it would be even more of a No Fun League.
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I have no idea if anyone has posted this link yet, since I haven't read through much of this topic, but here it is anyway: https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible (https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible)
Go 'Hawks.
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For one thing the statistical analysis seemed to be crafted with a goal already in mind. I also notice that as soon as he switches from fumbles lost to fumbles total things smoothed way out (a significant shift since it suggests that increased skill at fumble recovery is also major component) so he added a new metric with the indoor/outdoor thing. It honestly all looks pretty dubious, but there are people here with a much better grasp of statistics than me who might go into it.
One thing I'll also add is that the Patriots have long used a running back de jour approach. If somebody gets a case of the dropsies then they're immediately benched in favor of somebody else. Ask Steven Ridley how well fumbles go over with that team. Between that and the fumbles not lost discrepancy this doesn't seem all that extraordinary.
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Also look at Benjarvis Green-Ellis fumble history to see a 3 year Spen on why they fumbled so little
El Barto is also dead on about Ridley.
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God, I love the Seahawks so much. Sherman getting on peoples' nerves and now Lynch with this fiasco. Shows that the media can't focus on the actual game and do good analysis on the teams' strengths, weaknesses etc.
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I will say this: years from now, when Marshawn Lynch has been retired for five years and has what most will consider a Hall of Fame resume, but doesn't get in right away, or for a long time, he can look in the mirror and see why. The media won't forget this.
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We know what he'll say at the podium. :lol
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I will say this: years from now, when Marshawn Lynch has been retired for five years and has what most will consider a Hall of Fame resume, but doesn't get in right away, or for a long time, he can look in the mirror and see why. The media won't forget this.
Good point. I wonder if he'd take some advice from Charles Haley.
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Proving that HOF voters use spite rather than objectivity. But I guess some people will find a way to spin this issue into it being the athletes' fault more than the voters' as per SOP.
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The HOF seems to be not looking at RBs much lately and are trying to get in the glut that backed up at other positions, namely WR. Bettie is sixth all time, and I don't see him getting the nod for another year or two.
Lynch is still a good two seasons worth of work until he reaches Corey Dillon, and I don't exactly see anyone making a case for him. Hopefully Lynch holds up physically and gets a chance to see where he legitimately stacks up all time, but I think he needs about three more good seasons.
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The HOF seems to be not looking at RBs much lately and are trying to get in the glut that backed up at other positions, namely WR. Bettie is sixth all time, and I don't see him getting the nod for another year or two.
Lynch is still a good two seasons worth of work until he reaches Corey Dillon, and I don't exactly see anyone making a case for him. Hopefully Lynch holds up physically and gets a chance to see where he legitimately stacks up all time, but I think he needs about three more good seasons.
Sometimes it's about the impact they had on the game. Earl Campbell doesn't even crack the top 30 all time list, and never made the 10K club. But he's in the HoF just because....well...if you saw him run, you'd know. I'd make an argument that no RB in the league has had *that* big of a reputation for being so hard to bring down (since Earl) as Lynch has had.
(don't know if I worded that sentence very well, but I hope my point came across)
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REEEEEMIXXXX! Been waitin fo' deez.
Deion: "So you still bout dat action boss?"
Lynch: "Hell yeah!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV43jtXEpwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OjANyhh2PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d41uJUD-pY
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Billy Sims' signature play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7973Ew8A
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God, I love the Seahawks so much. Sherman getting on peoples' nerves and now Lynch with this fiasco. Shows that the media can't focus on the actual game and do good analysis on the teams' strengths, weaknesses etc.
Correct. The media knows absolutely nothing about football. They are only good at what they do best. Making themselves look like the idiots they really are. I'm sure if they were capable of asking intelligent questions about the game and the players, guys like Lynch would actually give them the time of day. :lol
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God, I love the Seahawks so much. Sherman getting on peoples' nerves and now Lynch with this fiasco. Shows that the media can't focus on the actual game and do good analysis on the teams' strengths, weaknesses etc.
Correct. The media knows absolutely nothing about football. They are only good at what they do best. Making themselves look like the idiots they really are. I'm sure if they were capable of asking intelligent questions about the game and the players, guys like Lynch would actually give them the time of day. :lol
No he wouldn't.
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I'mma get one of these and wear it to work! ;D
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/zpkAAOSwm8VUyFVO/$_12.JPG)
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If you wear that to work, FINED should be changed to FIRED.
Also, was talking to coworkers about wearing jerseys, and referenced this. Thoughts?
https://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7008222/rick-reilly-jersey-rules
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Also, was talking to coworkers about wearing jerseys, and referenced this. Thoughts?
https://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7008222/rick-reilly-jersey-rules
Rule: If you're going to write a huge rant about something and attempt to shame other people, try to use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
I was going to say I completely disagree with EVERYTHING in that article, but I think this one is actually on point: "You may not wear a jersey without a shirt underneath it, especially NBA jerseys."
And people really should be smart and give heed to the fact that, unfortunately, there are a good many sports fans who believe this one: "By wearing a jersey to a road game, you waive your right to a busted-free nose." But I would be perfectly fine modifying it to something like: "By wearing a jersey to a road game, you waive your right to be exempt from dirty looks and repeated eye rolling."
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God, I love the Seahawks so much. Sherman getting on peoples' nerves and now Lynch with this fiasco. Shows that the media can't focus on the actual game and do good analysis on the teams' strengths, weaknesses etc.
Correct. The media knows absolutely nothing about football. They are only good at what they do best. Making themselves look like the idiots they really are. I'm sure if they were capable of asking intelligent questions about the game and the players, guys like Lynch would actually give them the time of day. :lol
No he wouldn't.
Whatever you say Hef. The focus of my point was the media, not Lynch. I couldn't care less what he does or doesn't do for whatever reasons.
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After today's media "session," I'm not sure how anyone could possibly defend the guy. :lol
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After today's media "session," I'm not sure how anyone could possibly defend the guy. :lol
I'm seeing TONS of support for him, and no...not just locally. Every site I go to, I see about 60 more percent who just wish they'd leave the guy alone.
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As I am reminded almost every day at my job, there are a lot of delusional people in the world. His conduct is indefensible.
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I've been wondering if he's just embarrassed about not being able to speak better than a 4 year old. If that were the case I'd actually be far more supportive of him. I wouldn't want to have to spend 5 minutes with people watching me try to sing or throw a football. I actually would consider that rather degrading. However it doesn't seem to be the case with him, since has no problem speaking to individuals, even on the record, and seemed pretty cool and casual acting like a child the last three days.
And with that in mind, I'm surprised the league actually wants people putting a microphone in his face.
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After today's media "session," I'm not sure how anyone could possibly defend the guy. :lol
I'm seeing TONS of support for him, and no...not just locally. Every site I go to, I see about 60 more percent who just wish they'd leave the guy alone.
If he had a speech impediment or a disorder of some kind, that would be one thing. But he doesn't. He's just an asshole.
So I see no reason to leave him alone.
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After today's media "session," I'm not sure how anyone could possibly defend the guy. :lol
I'm seeing TONS of support for him, and no...not just locally. Every site I go to, I see about 60 more percent who just wish they'd leave the guy alone.
If he had a speech impediment or a disorder of some kind, that would be one thing. But he doesn't. He's just an asshole.
So I see no reason to leave him alone.
Have you actually listened to the guy? What he has is actually somewhere between and impediment and the Great Wall of China.
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Yea this is probably a tactic to get reporters to stop talking to him.
I also heard there was some incident with a reporter when he was with Buffalo that turned him off to reporters?
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After today's media "session," I'm not sure how anyone could possibly defend the guy. :lol
I'm seeing TONS of support for him, and no...not just locally. Every site I go to, I see about 60 more percent who just wish they'd leave the guy alone.
If he had a speech impediment or a disorder of some kind, that would be one thing. But he doesn't. He's just an asshole.
So I see no reason to leave him alone.
Have you actually listened to the guy? What he has is actually somewhere between and impediment and the Great Wall of China.
I've heard him. He apparently has a class impediment, but I cannot discern a speech impediment.
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He can talk well enough to be paid for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY36BmRFf_I
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Well, that's not entirely fair. He actually DOES have a condition that flares up when he is not getting paid.
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I hope he gets fined for pimping his Beast Mode clothing.
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Well, that's not entirely fair. He actually DOES have a condition that flares up when he is not getting paid.
:lol
I'm laughing now but I hope the Pats can stop him.
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I hope he gets fined for pimping his Beast Mode clothing.
Obviously, I have no idea what the wording is in his contract or the CBA regarding media obligations. But that being said, I cannot fathom that it could possibly be written so poorly that it could be construed that he is remotely complying with this little act of his. And if that is the case, he should be severely fined and/or suspended for that. (the hat thing seems a little silly and petty, but if they want to fine him for that too, so be it)
Well, that's not entirely fair. He actually DOES have a condition that flares up when he is not getting paid.
:lol
I'm laughing now but I hope the Pats can stop him.
I hope they break his legs. But, I think we are saying the same thing. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.
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He's not injured though, we only go after the weak.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8dQQOmIQAAP3Q0.jpg)
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:lol
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Man, I can't wait till this game is behind us.
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Man, I can't wait till this game is behind us.
Rich, you don't have to watch it! :-*
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https://soundcloud.com/chachamalone/marshawn-lynch-100-yards-skittles-interview-remix
:lol
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I'm really torn this year. Last year, two extremely likable teams were going head to head. This year, two very hateworthy teams are.
The Seahawks have gone from a favorite of mine to a team that I really dislike. They went from being underdogs you wanted to root for two year ago, to being much the same team (just grown up) last year, to being arrogant douches whose success has gone to their heads this year.
The Pats have always been unlikable. Between Belichek's awful press conferences, Brady's bratty body language, cheating, and Kraft being Goddell's golden boy, they're easily the most hateable "good" team of this era.
Things I would like to see:
-Revis play clearly better than Sherman
-The Patriots lose anyway
-Marshawn has a shit game
-Wilson doesn't attribute the victory to "god" when all's said and done
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Things I would like to see:
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-Wilson doesn't attribute the victory to "god" when all's said and done
Well, even though it would never happen, what I would most LOVE to see in that regard is Wilson attributing his victory to God, and God actually coming down and smacking him, and saying "Why do you think I would even care about a stupid football game? And don't you think it's a bit arrogant to think I would intervene and make your team win just because of you when there are Christians on the other team, too? Gimme that Lombardi Trophy right now! You don't deserve it! I'm giving it to Alex Smith since he got robbed by his stupid kick returner 3 years ago and then got screwed over by Harbaugh when he got a concussion the next year."
And then He could smite Lynch and Sherman since He is already there anyway.
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Yeah, I hate that so much. Same thing with Mr. Deer Antler spray a few years ago. At this point athletes are using religion the same way they use Beats. Just a cheap way of looking good to a certain demographic.
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Last year, two extremely likable teams were going head to head. This year, two very hateworthy teams are.
How did the 2013-14 Seahawks go from 'extremely likable' to the 2014-15 'very hateworthy' Seahawks?
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I'm just here so I won't get banned
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I'm just here so I won't get banned
Yet you been before. Lol
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Last year, two extremely likable teams were going head to head. This year, two very hateworthy teams are.
How did the 2013-14 Seahawks go from 'extremely likable' to the 2014-15 'very hateworthy' Seahawks?
They're no longer an underdog, feel good team. Also some of their players have questionable media personalities.
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Last year, two extremely likable teams were going head to head. This year, two very hateworthy teams are.
How did the 2013-14 Seahawks go from 'extremely likable' to the 2014-15 'very hateworthy' Seahawks?
They're no longer an underdog, feel good team. Also some of their players have questionable media personalities.
Bingo.
There was something really awesome about seeing Wilson block for Lynch two years ago, and even last year the Seahawks still felt a bit like underdogs. This year they're a team who clearly believe in their own hype.
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Well, the Seahawks are a team that talks big, but they always back it up. You've got to give them that, even if you are not a fan of that kind of arrogant talk (which I am not either).
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I'm all for rooting for the underdog and respecting a good team, but the Seahawks just annoy me to know end lately. The "12" annoy me too. They are like the new Cowboys fans. You see a highly suspicious number of new Hawks jerseys these days. All the sudden, even though I'm on the opposite coast, I'm noticing more and more Seahawks fans who have come crawling out of the woodwork.
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You see a highly suspicious number of new Hawks jerseys these days. All the sudden, even though I'm on the opposite coast, I'm noticing more and more Seahawks fans who have come crawling out of the woodwork.
That has never bothered me. I guess I am at an age where my priorities are in a different place and, while I enjoy sports as an entertaining pastime, I don't get wound up over any sport or team. "Bandwagon" fans don't bother me one lick. If you have been loyal to a team your whole life, great. If you like a team just because they are doing well, that's just as valid, as far as I'm concerned. Obnoxious fans bother me, no matter which end of the "loyal vs. bandwagon" spectrum they happen to fall on.
The "12" annoy me as well, but not because of the bandwagoning.
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Josh Gordon's open letter is a damn fine piece of work. I don't know about all of the various suspensions so I can't really say much about the details or what was left out, but in terms of addressing the people who were blasting him or suggesting what would be best for him (cutting him?) it's a very well thought out and articulated response.
https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3
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What's funny to me about the "bandwagon" claims.
You're right, on a nationwide (actually, almost world wide at this point) scale, I have NEVER in my life seen so much support for the Seahawks.
However, there are many many people using this "bandwagon" argument to claim that the Seahawks couldn't even fill their own stadium before two years ago. I have lived here my entire life, and I promise you this is not the case. There was a point in the 90's when popularity was waning a bit and an extremely disliked owner nearly moved the team to LA...but the 12 jersey was retired for the fans in 1984...and back before crowd noise had ever been an issue ANYWHERE else in the league (as far back as 1982-3) they actually tried to write a rule that penalized the home team 5 yards if the visiting QB could not hear the signals. This was only an issue in the Seattle Kingdome and NOWHERE else. They wrote that rule to deter us, and it didn't work.
I'm hoping even that story gives you a bit of history. The 12's have an over 20 year history of feeling like the league singles us out. Whether that is true or not, when you've been here as long as I have...it starts to build it's own history. Anyone from a city with a long sports history should be able to at least relate to the idea. These last 3 years have just been a sort of a "peak"....but we've been building a legacy for almost 40 years now. Heck, we were selling out the stadium and screaming our fool heads off when Rick Mirer was QB and we went something like 3-13. :rollin For the most part, Seattle Seahawk fans are NOT band wagon jumpers or "fair weather" fans. With one or two years that may have been exceptions, we've been selling out Seahawk games even when they completely sucked.
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For the most part, Seattle Seahawk fans are NOT band wagon jumpers or "fair weather" fans. With one or two years that may have been exceptions, we've been selling out Seahawk games even when they completely sucked.
I'm sure that is likely true in Seattle. I think Skeever was referring to the prevalence of Seahawks "fans" elsewhere, simply because they are now a good team that is getting national attention. But that happens in every sport when a team does well, and should come as no surprise. But again, for me personally, I don't really care.
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Maybe it's "America's Team" syndrome (thinking specifically of the 70's Cowboys)...but I think the idea of "The 12th Man" (and you may call it complete bupkis if you wish...you may be right) is an idea that makes people *feel* like they are personally a member of the team.
Sure, teams have given the nod to "the fans" throughout sports history, but no team ever retired a jersey for them. You may call it marketing, but if so, that's pretty brilliant freakin marketing. I think that, just as much if not more than their recent winning ways, is one of the big reasons people want to be "one of the 12s"...
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I thought the concept of the twelfth man referred specifically to the fans in attendance there at Decibel Stadium. I thought that was the whole point.
And if so, I don't understand the appeal of fans from across the country, who will never, ever attend a game in Seattle, joining the "12th Man" nonsense. Liking and rooting for the Seahawks, sure, but 12th Man? Surely that should remain exclusive to actual ticketholders?
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The 12th man isn't just about being the loudest stadium anymore. It has evolved beyond that. I'm sure the Hawks organization considers all their fans a part of the "12th man" club.
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The 12th man isn't just about being the loudest stadium anymore. It has evolved beyond that. I'm sure the Hawks organization considers all their fans a part of the "12th man" club.
I wonder what the actual ticketholders think of that. They are the ones who made it what it is, the butts-in-seats there in the stadium.
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True, and they are at the forefront, but I'm sure they don't mind and realize that not everyone can attend the game. But yeah, to be able to be there and contribute to those decibels, you're right that ticketholders are the original "12th man".
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Well, even though it would never happen, what I would most LOVE to see in that regard is Wilson attributing his victory to God, and God actually coming down and smacking him, and saying "Why do you think I would even care about a stupid football game?
Heh...that reminds me of a skit...I think it was MadTV where it was a hip hop awards show, and a gangsta rapper thanked God for his award. Then a booming voice came down from above and said something like "Don't thank me for this, I don't even like your music!"
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I liken the bandwagon thing to discovering a band. Does the fact I discovered how good Porcupine Tree or Metallica are years into their career make me less of or a less important fan than the "day ones"?
"Yea man, where were you when Cliff was alive? You're not a true fan!"
I don't think that's fair. A fan is a fan regardless of when they come in. How long they STAY a fan is a different story. Time will tell who of the 12's are true fans or not.
And I'm sure if the Colts went to the SB instead of the Pats, then people would be wearing Colts gear more. It's the nature of a high profile event, people get caught up, and the NFL makes bank because of it.
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Speaking of Colts gear, I love confusing my sons whenever the Colts and Broncos play by wearing my Manning Colts jersey. Who am I rooting for? I'll never tell.
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I liken the bandwagon thing to discovering a band. Does the fact I discovered how good Porcupine Tree or Metallica are years into their career make me less of or a less important fan than the "day ones"?
"Yea man, where were you when Cliff was alive? You're not a true fan!"
I don't think that's fair. A fan is a fan regardless of when they come in. How long they STAY a fan is a different story. Time will tell who of the 12's are true fans or not.
Well, I wasn't talking about bandwagon fans in general. I was just talking about my impression that the term "12th Man" doesn't refer to the fanbase in general, but rather to the home field advantage fans actually in the stadium that make it such a tough place to play.
In other words, I could be a tried and true Seahawks fan, just as fervent and sincere in my fandom as anyone else. But I would never cite the term "12th Man" for myself because the 12th Man is the home stadium crowd, and I've never been there and never will be there.
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Finally. Dirt on Seahawk fans. 12 th man?! We need an investigation! :lol
Can't wait for Sunday. Seems like forever!
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I've never seen any Seahawks fan make any distinction between in or out of the actual stadium. Basically, even if you scream from home, you're a 12. My local fire department rings the bell every time the Seahawks score. People in my community light off fireworks for every FG. (Which can be a bit annoying) but they are all considered "the 12s"
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All Seahawks fans are the 12th fan. I love the passion from them. It's like that with the soccer team as well.
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*shrugs*
Seems weird to me, but whatever. Maybe I misunderstood.
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Well Hef it is about the fans at the game but the fanbase adopted the battle cry so we should be cool with that. It's nice to see a city engulfed in their team.
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Basically everything jammindude has said is accurate. Not everyone has the money or means to attend home games, but that shouldn't diminish their abaility to consider them one of the 12. And he is right about the fans from the 80s and 90s too. The Hawks have benefitted accoustically over the years, and the fans have had a big say in that. Granted, I see a lot of people in my office today with hawk gear on who couldn't tell you who Jim Zorn, Steve Largent, or Chuck Knox are, but they will readily admit that. So it doesn't bother me. Only if they claimed "Oh, I have always been a Hawks fan" would it be annoying.
Let's start posting our predictions for the game!
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This (https://www.king5.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2015/01/10/seahawks-must-pay-rent-to-use-the-phrase-12th-man/21567131/) is interesting.
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It is an interesting arrangement, but it isn't a secret or unknown deal. I thought that was common knowledge. Maybe it just was up here.
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I don't know...it's kind of hard to feel like one of the 12s living so far away. But I love the concept of it.
Goodell just said in his press conference that the league will exhaust all options to keep the Rams in STL. Kroenke can say or do what he wants, but relocation is pretty much dead.
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Man, I can't wait till this game is behind us.
Rich, you don't have to watch it! :-*
That is an option I have strongly considered.
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I heard a great description of Russell Wilson.
"He knows when to run to run. He knows when to run to pass."
He had very good pocket awareness.
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To me, Seattle's obsession with the 12th man thing is as silly as Detroit's is with calling themselves Hockeytown.
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As I said before, I don't really care about either team. But, I'll watch it anyway just to see who beats up who. Wouldn't mind seeing Brady get flattened a few times or Wilson for that matter. :lol
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I don't know if this has been posted or not, but this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. And, prior to this I had no idea of what Marshawn Lynch's "real" personality was/is.....but I have a completely different opinion about him now. He was cracking me up in this.....
https://youtu.be/MNpkSyryQz4
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Lynch, Conan and Gronk play the new Mortal Combat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MNpkSyryQz4&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404
:lol
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dparrott.....did you not like the link that I gave to the exact same thing? :lol
Lynch was killing me....he had me rolling..
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No I didn't see it, sorry. I tried to look for it, must have gotten lost in everything.
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Prediction time?
At this point, my gut tells me the Patriots are going to win. Not only do I think they are the better team, but they are the healthier team, especially with Chancellor now getting banged up yesterday. The Legion of Boom won't be themselves tomorrow, no matter how much HGH they take. :lol I think it will be close for a while, and Lynch will have a good day, but Seattle is going to have a tough time moving the ball through the air, since Revis and Browner should be able to shut down Seattle's scrubs at WR. As always, turnovers are the key, but New England is rarely a team that beats themselves.
Prediction: New England 23, Seattle 13
In fact, if the line stays at NE -1, I might make my first bet in 17 years tomorrow. I still know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy :lol, where I can place a wager.
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Grumpy Cat's ready too! It's Grumpkowski!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10665337_813551232013949_7553147981093725966_n.jpg?oh=ce0572b8ddfa371ffae27239c398a5a4&oe=555F130A&__gda__=1431657788_3b5d9526bd32d679a3fe465a493bdc80)
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The video was really good. Marshawn actually seems like a pretty fun guy IRL, although that just makes the whole media thing more troubling, honestly. And the subtlety of the "what you on" was, well, interesting.
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The video was really good. Marshawn actually seems like a pretty fun guy IRL, although that just makes the whole media thing more troubling, honestly. And the subtlety of the "what you on" was, well, interesting.
I was thinking he seemed pretty cool also. Not like the jerk the media wants us to believe. I'd hang out with him all day.
The 'what you on' was funny....
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The video was really good. Marshawn actually seems like a pretty fun guy IRL, although that just makes the whole media thing more troubling, honestly. And the subtlety of the "what you on" was, well, interesting.
I was thinking he seemed pretty cool also. Not like the jerk the media wants us to believe. I'd hang out with him all day.
The 'what you on' was funny....
Nah, let's be fair here. He was portraying himself to the media as a total jerk; not the other way around. The video only demonstrated that he can be sociable for a crowd when it's on his terms.
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FINAL SCORE...
SEAHAWKS - 21
PATS - 17
Seahawks D will be the reason. Brady is in for a long day.
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The video was really good. Marshawn actually seems like a pretty fun guy IRL, although that just makes the whole media thing more troubling, honestly. And the subtlety of the "what you on" was, well, interesting.
I was thinking he seemed pretty cool also. Not like the jerk the media wants us to believe. I'd hang out with him all day.
The 'what you on' was funny....
Nah, let's be fair here. He was portraying himself to the media as a total jerk; not the other way around.
This.
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The video was really good. Marshawn actually seems like a pretty fun guy IRL, although that just makes the whole media thing more troubling, honestly. And the subtlety of the "what you on" was, well, interesting.
I was thinking he seemed pretty cool also. Not like the jerk the media wants us to believe. I'd hang out with him all day.
The 'what you on' was funny....
Nah, let's be fair here. He was portraying himself to the media as a total jerk; not the other way around. The video only demonstrated that he can be sociable for a crowd when it's on his terms.
Yeah...that's probably more accurate. He was cracking me up though....
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Man, this will be the third superbowl I've watched, with this season being the first I've followed all the way through. I hope it isn't as bad as the last one.
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It'll be my 6th full Super Bowl, and as it doesn't kick off until 11:30pm my time, I'm in for a long day tomorrow.
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Are Thomas and Sherman at 100% I like Brady and Gronk in this matchup.
Wilson vs. Revis Island and company? Not so much.
New England wins, 34-20.
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I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, we were going to win last year. There was no way an old Manning and an ill-prepared Jon Fox were going to be able to score enough to win. After that tough win over the Niners, Hawks were not going to lose that game.
I do not have that feeling this year. This Pats team doesn't scare me, but they don't give me a feeling of an easy win.
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FINAL SCORE...
SEAHAWKS - 21
PATS - 17
Seahawks D will be the reason. Brady is in for a long day.
I kind of feel the same way.
Are Thomas and Sherman at 100% I like Brady and Gronk in this matchup.
Wilson vs. Revis Island and company? Not so much.
New England wins, 34-20.
I hope you're right, brother.
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Looks like Jerome Bettis made the Hall of Fame. Excuse me while I go vomit.
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Looks like Jerome Bettis made the Hall of Fame. Excuse me while I go vomit.
Maybe Leslie Vissar will show up with some peanut butter!
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It'll be my 6th full Super Bowl, and as it doesn't kick off until 11:30pm my time, I'm in for a long day tomorrow.
The first Super Bowl I watched was Super Bowl X between Pittsburgh and Dallas in 1976.
Holy fuck I'm OLD. :lol
I remember my parents watching the Super Bowl where Miami finished their perfect season, but I started watching football as a kid in 1975 so that was my first Super Bowl. I've watched every one since.
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The first SB I remember was 1977. Them Boys crushed the Orange Crush.
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And to continue the theme chronologically...mine was 1978 SB XIII Pit vs Dallas. Pit pretty much owned the game, but Dallas did make it a bit scary down the stretch.
I don't think any SB before or since had so many HoF players on the field all at the same time.
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Anyone else watch the NFL Honors show? Seth Myers' opening monologue was awesome. Him poking fun at Luck's neck beard and telling him that he plays QB, not the banjo, was hysterical. :lol :lol
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And to continue the theme chronologically...mine was 1978 SB XIII Pit vs Dallas. Pit pretty much owned the game, but Dallas did make it a bit scary down the stretch.
Only to get shutdown by the refs.
Glad to see Charles Haley and Tim Brown finally get in. Surprised to see Warner and Pace left out.
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Warner and Pace won't have to wait long to get in. Even though I hate the Raiders, Tim Brown was long deserving of getting in. Charles Haley should have been a no-brainer years ago. The Bettis selection still makes me ill.
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I don't ever recall a point in time where Bettis was the best RB in the game. But he is #6 All time in rushing yards. And everyone else in the top 10 (minus LaDainian Tomlinson, who will most likely be inducted in the future) is already in the Hall of Fame. So I'm fine with him getting in. But him getting in over some of the players that aren't in... yeah, that's questionable.
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Go Seahawks.
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What's funny is looking at the career YPC for each top 10 RB in rushing yards:
E. Smith 4.2
W. Payton 4.4
B. Sanders 5.0
C. Martin 4.0
L. Tomlinson 4.3
J. Bettis 3.9
E. Dickerson 4.4
T. Dorsett 4.3
J. Brown 5.2
M. Faulk 4.3
The worst. Oh, and let's not forget his whopping postseason YPC of 3.4. :lol :lol
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Pats 27 -24. More importantly, wings, philly cheese steaks, burgers, hummus and veggies for the weaklings, soft pretzels, queso, quacamole and chips. Blue Moon, Bud and some harder stuff. Why don't they do this on Saturday so we can have Sunday to recover?
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Damn great game today. Could go both ways but homer pick is 24-21, Pats.
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I don't like one team more than the other....in fact, for me it's which team do I dislike more.....which would be the Patriots, but....if Seattle has their typical 'slow' first half I think the Patriots are just the team to not let them off the hook like the rest of the teams they've played have. It could very well be 21-7, 14-3, 21-0......something like that at the half in favor of the Pats and I dont see them letting Seattle back in the game if that was the case. I don't see Seattle being able to get up like that on the Pats....given the way they've started thus far in the playoffs.
It should be a good game to watch though.....and, I typically suck at predictions so my post is largely a bunch of BS. :lol
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Sadly I finally had to lock in my SEA pick. What I've got stuck in my head is the week 1 game against Miami. They set the gameplan for beating NE and the teams that have played well against them have followed that plan. Seattle has a better run game and pass rush than anybody else they've played and that should be the difference maker.
That said, NE won't fall apart down the stretch like GB did, so if Wilson is as sucktastic to start this game as he was two weeks ago it's NE all the way.
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You guys see Ray Lewis talking about integrity? RAY LEWIS??? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Damn great game today. Could go both ways but homer pick is 24-21, Pats.
Only by a FG? They've never done that before. :lol
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Should be a good game for the most part, but I have Seattle winning 31-20. I don't think New England will be able to establish the run and that will ultimately end up being the difference. It'll be close for a while, but I can see a big turnover happening towards the end to put the game out of reach for New England. Of course, I wouldn't be shocked if I was way off and New England ended up winning because these are clearly two great teams.
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Damn great game today. Could go both ways but homer pick is 24-21, Pats.
Only by a FG? They've never done that before. :lol
:lol
You have seen all of our SB's? :lol Great D's will make it close.
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Why don't they do this on Saturday so we can have Sunday to recover?
I am reminded of one year where I was over at my friend's watching the game, and in a fit of whimsy I said "I'll chug a beer every time the NFC team scores!"
That team was the 49ers, and it was the year they dropped 55 on Denver :lol
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Watching the NFL Network and all the fan shots...nothing too much sexier than a cute girl wearing a sports jersey!
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Watching the NFL Network and all the fan shots...nothing too much sexier than a cute girl wearing a sports jersey!
How about a cute girl wearing a sports jersey and nothing else?
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^ That too!
SNL Seahawks skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4xqffhxKzE
:lol
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Less than 30 minutes to kickoff! All the best, whoever you're rooting for tonight. Enjoy your food and whatnot!
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I actually felt better going against the Giants both times than I do against the Seahawks.
My concern is that in the '06 AFC Championship, and both the '07 & '11 Super Bowls, had the Pats been able to make just 1 First Down, or had a Defensive stop late in the 4th Quarter, they could've won each game. I feel like the Pats will find themselves in the same exact position today. They'll be ahead by 3 or 4 with 3:00 left and the ball, only to be unable to convert a crucial 3rd down, and the ball back to Seattle, and end up losing the game.
I'm predicting a 26-24 Seattle win.
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Fuck
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Fuck
Nothing has gone the Pats' way.
The coin flip
Non call on the punt
Brady WTF??
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What a throw
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Yes!!! Man my heart is racing!
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Man, Seattle's receivers are terrible. They might need another miracle to win this one.
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These bitches better start putting up some points, otherwise I'm never gonna hit my numbers. And fuck that dude at the front desk who has 0-0 and 0-7....
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Before the game started, I said "you know, the Super Bowl is rarely a boring 13-7 type game. It's either a blow out or has an exciting fourth quarter."
So far this is proving more a 13-7 borefest. Me and my big mouth.
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No surprise how this game is going.
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Most definitely not a boring 13-7 game now :rollin
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Unreal. Why not just grab every WR on a play like that? Take the penalty and make them either kick it or go for it to where they get nothing if they go for it and don't get it.
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I was telling my family a week ago... I had a gut feeling this was going to be "one for the ages"
Right now, it's certainly shaping up to be exactly that.
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This reminds me of the Panthers/Patriots SB. Boring early on, but got really exciting late in the 2nd quarter.
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Carroll, man. I want him as a life coach or something.
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Dumb play by the D. 6 second and you are not playing tight?! WTF.
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I'm just curious.
Is it my imagination? Or whenever the opposing team scores, it was the offensive skill against a hard Seattle D....but when Seattle scores, the opposing D "screwed the pooch"??
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Halftime show was cool until Missy Elliot ruined it. ::)
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Oh Jesus, I forgot that every time Seattle scores, it was all them, the other team made no mistake, and Seattle is just so good that they couldn't be stopped. :lol :lol
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Oh Jesus, I forgot that every time Seattle scores, it was all them, the other team made no mistake, and Seattle is just so good that they couldn't be stopped. :lol :lol
Just because I point out one extreme doesn't mean I'm advocating the opposite extreme.
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Sure.
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Come on Kev. I wasn't being sarcastic. It does *seem* that way sometimes.
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Okay.
This reminds me of Doug Baldwin bitching about Seattle WRs not getting respect. Speaking of Baldwin, is he playing today? :lol :lol
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Pats dis screw up there. No press on a pass play 6 seconds left? That mistake cost them 4 points.
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Yep. Smart play call to have Wilson throw that bullet, when nearly everyone was expecting a quick fade, but the Patriots shit the bed there, no doubt.
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Yep. Smart play call to have Wilson throw that bullet, when nearly everyone was expecting a quick fade, but the Patriots shit the bed there, no doubt.
I appreciate the balance in this comment. Seriously...it means a lot to someone who does feel like (in the media anyway) we often get treated like an armpit.
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Baldwin's stuck on Revis island. But at this rate, this Matthews kid may never have to pay for another meal in the Pacific Northwest again.
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Halftime show was cool until Missy Elliot ruined it. ::)
Hell nah, she stole the show.
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I don't know what Pete Carroll did, but his halftime adjustments were incredible.
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I don't know what Pete Carroll did, but his halftime adjustments were incredible.
I KEEP TELLING YOU GUYS!!! :angel:
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BTW Kev....I just found Baldwin!! :angel:
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Well... Baldwin found his way off of Revis Island.. because there was nothing but blue around him. Wide open.
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Haha, Baldwin finally gets open.
Seriously, it looks like every halftime adjustment Carroll made is working. The offense is rolling, and the defense is suddenly getting pressure on Brady.
NE won't go down easy though.
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Dammit. You miss points and give good field position. A recipe for loosing.
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This could be bad for the Patriots. When Seattle gets on a roll like this, they are scary good.
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In a related story, my employer's commercial was terrible.
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You know what? Even if we lose...I'm having more fun than last year. WHAT A GAME!!! :corn
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Great game, this! 2:40am here, and I'm gripped! :corn
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You know what? Even if we lose...I'm having more fun than last year. WHAT A GAME!!! :corn
Same here Hawks brother.
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No turnovers tonight for Seattle.
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holy shit
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Unreal.just unreal.
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Don't tell me this is the 3rd straight lucky play that dooms New England?! :lol
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Wow....how do you not hand the ball to Lynch...
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WOOOOOOOOW!!!
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Absolutely unbelievable ending to the game.
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Wow....how do you not hand the ball to Lynch...
Yep. Carrol deserves to have that pinned on him. Horrible decision.
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Dumbest play call ever?
Congrats to the Patriots.
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That's the worst fucking play call in the history of the Super Bowl. Why pass there? On the fucking ONE?
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OMG..... Seattle jumps offsides on that?!?!
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Why the fuck did they pass? Whom decided that call.
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It's a street fight!!!
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I feel bad for Wilson....I like that guy. Just a very poor choice by his coaches.
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What a bad way to end such a great game.
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What a game though. I'm so happy I stayed up for this.
Also Seahawks what was that?!
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And then it's chaos.
And Collinsworth is trying to give Brady credit. For a game he won by bad playcalling. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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An amazing game. It stings, but it isn't as bad after last year's win and an incredible season his year.
No turnovers tonight for Seattle.
:sad:
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That one really hurt. We had a repeat just one handoff away, and the OC blew it.
Congrats to the Pats.
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What an unbelievable ending to the season. Just stunned.. both by the catch, the playcall... the pick.... and jumping offsides when New England had to either get out of the endzone or take a safety. Unbelievable.
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An amazing game. It stings, but it isn't as bad after last year's win and an incredible season his year.
No turnovers tonight for Seattle.
:sad:
Yeah about that.....it was really a test just to see what would happen. Sorry about that......as if it had any bearing on anything :lol
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Thank you Seattle for not running the ball. I can't believe it.
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They needed a miracle, got it, then threw it away. Freakin stupid. That's gonna haunt them all year.
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Incredible game. Incredible ending. Congrats Pats
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Can Belichick go now on the press conference and say "fuck you" to everyone? That would make my year!
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They needed a miracle, got it, then threw it away. Freakin stupid. That's gonna haunt them all year.
That will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
So is Malcom Butler the MVP by default?
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Flacco and Torrey Smith make bad decisions on one play.. Pats win.
Wilson and the Seahawks OC make bad decisions on one play. Pats win.
That's how it goes. Good on the Pats for being in position to capitalize...
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The NFC playoffs in a nutshell:
Lions lose in gut wrenching fashion to Cowboys.
Cowboys lose in gut wrenching fashion to Packers.
Packers lose in gut wrenching fashion to Seahawks.
Seahawks lose in gut wrenching fashion to Pats.
It's like the Lions were the bad guy from Denzel's film Fallen! :lol
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Just saw that commercial where they are plugging the Patriots winning T-Shirts and that crap. That reminds me of the whole idea that the losers' t-shirts (that were made in case they win) get sent to charity or something.
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I am in shock.
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Lost in that awful play call is how Seattle's dominant D shit the bed in the 4th quarter. This was a legacy game for them, as they could have been the first all-time great defense since the Steel Curtain to repeat, but they came up small in the final quarter.
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Seriously...I am just happy it was such a GREAT GAME. I seriously believe we were just one handoff away from a repeat...but the Pats won it fair and square. Congrats. :tup
We are still the youngest team in the NFL, so just wait til next year.
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I know he really only made one play, but I wish Butler would have gotten MVP. Brady didn't play that good, and his picks were pretty bad.
Since I can't stand the Pats, I can take some solace in that this SB will be remembered as one that the Seahawks gave away more than the Pats won it due to that moronic play call. I can't wait to see the grilling Seattle coaches deserve to get.
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I've never ever posted in this thread before because I have no interest in football. Had very little interest in this game, too. But I do have a question now. Maybe ill-timed, but I'm wondering why the Patriots weren't punished more severely for the ball deflation mess. As in, a punishment that might have affected the outcome of this game in some way. Don't know what the best way to go about doing that would be, but some sort of handicap or even disqualification(?) I realize (or assume) that that kind of punishment is unprecedented, but it does seem unfortunate that they should be allowed to win the Super Bowl after that. I also understand that even without the ball deflations, they likely would have won that game, but still... Am I missing something?
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I know he really only made one play, but I wish Butler would have gotten MVP. Brady didn't play that good, and his picks were pretty bad.
Since I can't stand the Pats, I can take some solace in that this SB will be remembered as one that the Seahawks gave away more than the Pats won it due to that moronic play call. I can't wait to see the grilling Seattle coaches deserve to get.
I agree that Butler should have gotten MVP. Without his jump on the ball... New England, in all likelihood loses.
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this SB will be remembered as one that the Seahawks gave away more than the Pats won it due to that moronic play call.
We'll certainly the play call was bad....but I don't think Seattle 'gave' anything away. Like Kevin pointed out....the Seattle D couldn't hold a 10 pt lead with 7 minutes to play and if not for a pretty lucky bounce to put them on the 5 yard line....Seattle is heaving hail Mary's for the endzone the last couple plays.
I don't think it was a 'give away' at all. It was a real good super bowl that one real good team had to lose.
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I've never ever posted in this thread before because I have very no interest in football. Had very little interest in this game, too. But I do have a question now. Maybe ill-timed, but I'm wondering why the Patriots weren't punished more severely for the ball deflation mess. As in, a punishment that might have affected the outcome of this game in some way. Don't know what the best way to go about doing that would be, but some sort of handicap or even disqualification(?) I realize (or assume) that that kind of punishment is unprecedented, but it does seem unfortunate that they should be allowed to win the Super Bowl after that. I also understand that even without the ball deflations, they likely would have won that game, but still... Am I missing something?
The league wasn't willing/able to determine the cause of the deflated balls. Therefore, no punishment could be levied.
Expect the punishment in the coming weeks now that the NFL's biggest day of the year is over. More than likely, the punishment will fall upon some ballboy, who will be made to take the fall.
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I've never ever posted in this thread before because I have very no interest in football. Had very little interest in this game, too. But I do have a question now. Maybe ill-timed, but I'm wondering why the Patriots weren't punished more severely for the ball deflation mess. As in, a punishment that might have affected the outcome of this game in some way. Don't know what the best way to go about doing that would be, but some sort of handicap or even disqualification(?) I realize (or assume) that that kind of punishment is unprecedented, but it does seem unfortunate that they should be allowed to win the Super Bowl after that. I also understand that even without the ball deflations, they likely would have won that game, but still... Am I missing something?
The league wasn't willing/able to determine the cause of the deflated balls. Therefore, no punishment could be levied.
Expect the punishment in the coming weeks now that the NFL's biggest day of the year is over. More than likely, the punishment will fall upon some ballboy, who will be made to take the fall.
Also, the most the league can punish the team is a $20,000-something fine and take away draft picks.
Not exactly a stern punishment that will deter future teams from doing the same.
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Nice tight game, great ending, and I'm just shocked to see Brady as MVP. He had some good drives, but an overall OK game, and those picks were horrendous.
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Not unhappy at all with the outcome. The Seahawks were becoming really annoying, and I'm glad to see them finally put back in their place. Bandwagon Hawks fans jumping ship in 3... 2... 1...
I hate the Patriots but, hey, "Devil you know"...
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I've never ever posted in this thread before because I have very no interest in football. Had very little interest in this game, too. But I do have a question now. Maybe ill-timed, but I'm wondering why the Patriots weren't punished more severely for the ball deflation mess. As in, a punishment that might have affected the outcome of this game in some way. Don't know what the best way to go about doing that would be, but some sort of handicap or even disqualification(?) I realize (or assume) that that kind of punishment is unprecedented, but it does seem unfortunate that they should be allowed to win the Super Bowl after that. I also understand that even without the ball deflations, they likely would have won that game, but still... Am I missing something?
The league wasn't willing/able to determine the cause of the deflated balls. Therefore, no punishment could be levied.
Expect the punishment in the coming weeks now that the NFL's biggest day of the year is over. More than likely, the punishment will fall upon some ballboy, who will be made to take the fall.
Also, the most the league can punish the team is a $20,000-something fine and take away draft picks.
Not exactly a stern punishment that will deter future teams from doing the same.
DoC's response makes sense. Maybe I'm just being a bit too harsh on something that likely didnt make that much of a difference. But as you said, it really doesnt send a strong message. I believe all sports should have a zero tolerance policy for these kinds of things. Same way I feel about flopping in soccer (and basketball, for that matter). Fines just aren't enough of a deterent, in my mind
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Well, that was a hell of a game; congratulations Patriots fans. :tup I thought the game was all but over after Kearse's circus-like catch.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuffcVDKKg
Just going to leave this here since who doesn't love to make fun of Trent Dilfer?
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LOL. Stay classy, Bruce Irvin!
On the other hand, Carroll's comments after the game were classy and sincere. He was honest that he was afraid of NE's run D and took full responsibility for the slant.
Great win for the Patriots. Also gives Brady a couple of more feathers. Tied with Joe Montana with 3 MVPs and with Montana/Bradshaw for rings.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuffcVDKKg
Just going to leave this here since who doesn't love to make fun of Trent Dilfer?
What a tard'. :lol Yep....they suck Trent..
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My overall thoughts of the night:
Pretty sure I heard Goodell being booed. Awesome.
Terrible commercials, except for the Heisenberg one and one or two others.
I really want to see Jurassic Parks and Rec
I was disappointed by lack of wardrobe malfunction. In fact, it seemed like Katy Perry made a point to wear as many clothes as possible. Atrocious.
I made 5 bucks off this game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuffcVDKKg
Just going to leave this here since who doesn't love to make fun of Trent Dilfer?
That is surprisingly unprofessional, even for Dilfer :loser:
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LOL. Stay classy, Bruce Irvin!
On the other hand, Carroll's comments after the game were classy and sincere. He was honest that he was afraid of NE's run D and took full responsibility for the slant.
Great win for the Patriots. Also gives Brady a couple of more feathers. Tied with Joe Montana with 3 MVPs and with Montana/Bradshaw for rings.
Yeah, but Montana did it without throwing a single pic. Advantage- Big Sky
Quality game for me, didn't really have a dog in the race other than the pure hatred of Carroll, so the end was just dandy for me.
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Seriously...I am just happy it was such a GREAT GAME. I seriously believe we were just one handoff away from a repeat...but the Pats won it fair and square. Congrats. :tup
We are still the youngest team in the NFL, so just wait til next year.
I'm the same way. I'm not hurt, pissed, or sad. I'm happy We gave everyone an amazing Super Bowl.
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I think that AMAZING catch near the end deserves more credit. Alas...it will never be. If we had won, it would be a one of the all time SB highlights alongside "the helmet catch". But because of that one stupid play call at the end, it will now only be a footnote. I just think it deserves more credit than that.
I mean, sure there was a bit of "luck" involved, but honestly, you had to have *some* wits about you to realize that ball was still live and get control of it before it hit the ground.
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Made, $45.00 on LRC, Had great food and great beer & saw the worst call to pass ever in the history of football. The Pats should have lost. I'm stunned.
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I wonder how Marshawn Lynch feels about that call.
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I'd be pissed. He should have had the ball in his hands.
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At least something came from the worst batch of Super Bowl commercials ever. I'm glad that they were the least objectifying of women, but overall they were too serious and not funny enough.
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Seriously...I am just happy it was such a GREAT GAME. I seriously believe we were just one handoff away from a repeat...but the Pats won it fair and square. Congrats. :tup
We are still the youngest team in the NFL, so just wait til next year.
The problem with that is they aren't getting Wilson for peanuts anymore. His salary is gonna skyrocket, and they will likely keep Lynch, too, so it's gonna be hard to keep that whole nucleus together. Plus, some Seattle players were ripping the finally play call last night, and you have to wonder if Carroll will lose part of the locker room.
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At least something came from the worst batch of Super Bowl commercials ever. I'm glad that they were the least objectifying of women, but overall they were too serious and not funny enough.
I would have liked more humorous ones; in fact, at one point, so many of them seemed to focus on Dads that was wondering if Father's Day had come early.
But I think that relatively few of them actually sucked, which is the first time in a long time. So I was OK with them.
I hate the game ended the way it did, but I enjoyed the game overall.
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Shitty commercials all around but at least we got a close game. I swear Bud could have a commercial with a clydesdale taking a dump for a minute with some sappy music playing and people would call it amazing.
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I'm not sure how many touchdown passes Brady has to throw in a game to get some respect. Four touchdowns, but he only played "okay." Yeah, the picks were pretty terrible, but it's what you can put behind you when you make a mistake that marks a great quarterback. And also, just because a team makes it to the one yard line on a lucky catch, that doesn't mean they automatically get a touchdown. "Seattle deserved to win..." I disagree. There are two teams out there, and even if Carroll makes the "right" call, there's no guarantee the defense doesn't stop them. I'd say the team with the most points deserved to win. (yup)
Great game though, I wish the Pats could win like they did in the AFC Championship more, instead of these nailbiters. My heart can't take much more of that. And, to me, it seemed like sour grapes on the part of the Seahawks with all the fighting at the end. Didn't see the Pats doing that against the Giants. Hopefully this teaches some of those guys how to lose.
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Time for the final Monday morning QB's of the season. If I had it my way, both teams would've lost. :lol
More seriously though, as good a coach as Carroll is, he's gonna be known for probably the biggest all time bonehead play call in SB history. However, I suppose it's poetic justice that they gave the game away when the Packers did them the same favor 2 weeks earlier.
Hat's off to the Hawks for paying it forward. :rollin Congrats to the Pats and their fans. :hat
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Time for the final Monday morning QB's of the season. If I had it my way, both teams would've lost. :lol
Not sure if this was directed at me, but even still, as it pertains to the highlighted quote, I would say that both teams deserved to win this week. I feel both teams made some great plays, and a couple bonehead plays. Hard fought game right down to the end. If Brady doesn't throw that first pick, everything being equal, it's not even that close of a game in the end. If Carroll makes the right call at the end, the Hawks most likely win. Hell, they even had a chance to get the ball back if they could have forced a safety after that call (another bonehead play to go offside there). If there was any game where both teams deserve to lose it was the Green Bay/Seattle game from two weeks ago, not this one.
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I'm not sure how many touchdown passes Brady has to throw in a game to get some respect. Four touchdowns, but he only played "okay." Yeah, the picks were pretty terrible, but it's what you can put behind you when you make a mistake that marks a great quarterback. And also, just because a team makes it to the one yard line on a lucky catch, that doesn't mean they automatically get a touchdown. "Seattle deserved to win..." I disagree. There are two teams out there, and even if Carroll makes the "right" call, there's no guarantee the defense doesn't stop them. I'd say the team with the most points deserved to win. (yup)
I love Tom Brady. That said, he didn't give the best performance he can. He got it done, played a good game, but there were others who excelled more at their job than he did that day and someone else deserved to take home the trophy. I honestly don't know who, as they were pretty balanced with contributions on offense and defense, and that's part of the problem. So often when you don't know... just give it to the quarterback.
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Man, I wonder if anybody has ever been punished as hard as Jonas Gray for oversleeping through a meeting. Kid had an immeasurable impact on the Patriots getting to the Superb Owl and doesn't even get to dress for the game.
Seems like a ton of discord going on regarding the call (and while it was a bad decision it was pretty understandable). The players are blaming Bevell. Bevell threw Ricardo Lockette under the bus. Seems the only people with a bit of class are Carroll, Wilson and Lynch. On top of other lockerroom discord going on it doesn't bode too well for next year.
And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
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https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12267487/johnny-manziel-cleveland-browns-entering-rehab-improve-himself
Josh Gordon should follow his teammate's example here.
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I'm not sure how many touchdown passes Brady has to throw in a game to get some respect. Four touchdowns, but he only played "okay." Yeah, the picks were pretty terrible, but it's what you can put behind you when you make a mistake that marks a great quarterback. And also, just because a team makes it to the one yard line on a lucky catch, that doesn't mean they automatically get a touchdown. "Seattle deserved to win..." I disagree. There are two teams out there, and even if Carroll makes the "right" call, there's no guarantee the defense doesn't stop them. I'd say the team with the most points deserved to win. (yup)
I love Tom Brady. That said, he didn't give the best performance he can. He got it done, played a good game, but there were others who excelled more at their job than he did that day and someone else deserved to take home the trophy. I honestly don't know who, as they were pretty balanced with contributions on offense and defense, and that's part of the problem. So often when you don't know... just give it to the quarterback.
If it wasn't Brady, it should have been Edelman. He played a hell of a game.
And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
I mentioned this in my last post, but yeah, not a lot of talk about the fact that the game was NOT OVER. If they come up with a big stop there, they get the ball back at roughly midfield only down by two with a timeout and about 40 seconds on the clock. Could've made two quick plays, spike, and kick the FG for the win. NOPETHEYWENTOFFSIDESGAMEOVER.
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And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
I mentioned this in my last post, but yeah, not a lot of talk about the fact that the game was NOT OVER. If they come up with a big stop there, they get the ball back at roughly midfield only down by two with a timeout and about 40 seconds on the clock. Could've made two quick plays, spike, and kick the FG for the win. NOPETHEYWENTOFFSIDESGAMEOVER.
Well, no. There were only 20 seconds left when NE got the ball. Not sure how the coaches would have drawn it up, but I think if I am in the situation for NE, I put Brady in the shotgun with max protection, have the wideout run a streak down the sideline, and have Brady just hold the ball as long as he can, and then lob high passes way downfield out of bounds. If they can eat up 5 seconds per play, that only leaves 5 seconds for them to do the same thing and take a safety on 5th, then do the free kick with only a couple of seconds on the clock. I kind of wish that penalty hadn't happened so that we could have seen how it would have played out, but I still think NE easily comes away with the win without Seattle ever really getting another chance.
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As much as I hated the outcome of the game, I was more put off by the halftime show. Hyped all week as "global superstar", what we got was a lip-syncing moron with dancing sharks. This is what people consider to be great entertainment? And before anyone says "who cares, she's hawt" you do realize you could take any reasonably attractive female, put the spray-tan and make-up on them and have them dance around like a tramp while pretending to sing and no could tell the difference? At least not anyone further back than 5 rows. I wonder if Perry and her handlers could see the contrast between her "performance" and those of Legend and Menzel.
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I don't see how it was all that different than other halftime shows.
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As much as I hated the outcome of the game, I was more put off by the halftime show. Hyped all week as "global superstar", what we got was a lip-syncing moron with dancing sharks. This is what people consider to be great entertainment? And before anyone says "who cares, she's hawt" you do realize you could take any reasonably attractive female, put the spray-tan and make-up on them and have them dance around like a tramp while pretending to sing and no could tell the difference? At least not anyone further back than 5 rows. I wonder if Perry and her handlers could see the contrast between her "performance" and those of Legend and Menzel.
I actually found it refreshing that I didn't have to worry about the children at the Super Bowl party seeing or hearing something they shouldn't by someone trying to make a point or splash.....she is a 'relevent' pop star who does put on a good show whether you like her or not.....meaning her songs are popular right now ****cough cough...The Who....Springsting....**cough cough..... so there was no history lesson that needed to be explained to the younger people watching. And seriously....the lip syncing argument is not even an argument because near every singer these days do that, especially in a grand event like that....it's just the 'safe' way to perform....I don't think anyone expects Katy Perry or Talyor Swift or whoever to actually 'sing'...Was it drop down...slam bam just out of this world? Not at all, but it was a far cry better than the past few years in the sense that it is what it was meant to be....10 minutes of entertainment.
I can't believe I just defended Katy Perry :lol
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Did anyone else think that this (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2935833/Jeff-Bridges-Power-Om-Super-Bowl-commercial-Squarespace-hides-music-album-drive-charitable-donations.html) commercial sounded like the beginning to Bridges In The Sky?
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As much as I hated the outcome of the game, I was more put off by the halftime show. Hyped all week as "global superstar", what we got was a lip-syncing moron with dancing sharks. This is what people consider to be great entertainment? And before anyone says "who cares, she's hawt" you do realize you could take any reasonably attractive female, put the spray-tan and make-up on them and have them dance around like a tramp while pretending to sing and no could tell the difference? At least not anyone further back than 5 rows. I wonder if Perry and her handlers could see the contrast between her "performance" and those of Legend and Menzel.
What were you expecting?
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And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
I mentioned this in my last post, but yeah, not a lot of talk about the fact that the game was NOT OVER. If they come up with a big stop there, they get the ball back at roughly midfield only down by two with a timeout and about 40 seconds on the clock. Could've made two quick plays, spike, and kick the FG for the win. NOPETHEYWENTOFFSIDESGAMEOVER.
Well, no. There were only 20 seconds left when NE got the ball. Not sure how the coaches would have drawn it up, but I think if I am in the situation for NE, I put Brady in the shotgun with max protection, have the wideout run a streak down the sideline, and have Brady just hold the ball as long as he can, and then lob high passes way downfield out of bounds. If they can eat up 5 seconds per play, that only leaves 5 seconds for them to do the same thing and take a safety on 5th, then do the free kick with only a couple of seconds on the clock. I kind of wish that penalty hadn't happened so that we could have seen how it would have played out, but I still think NE easily comes away with the win without Seattle ever really getting another chance.
I had considered that as a possibility, but I don't think you try it. Keep in mind that a grounding, or more importantly a hold, result in the same safety. It also struck me that the Patriots were uncharacteristically confused as to what to do there. Looked like they lined up to kneel down, then realized it wouldn't work and called timeout. Then they lined up to kneel down again which resulted in the offside. Brady has a knack for getting 2 or 3 yards on keepers, so I assume that's what they were going to do, but I'm honestly not sure. In any event it had the potential for an even more thrilling finish than what we got, had SEA been able to exercise some discipline.
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Been sending that everywhere hehehe
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They should have FAKED to Lynch and then a receiver might have been open. Oh well, they'll be back.
So um, one month until spring training games! ;D
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And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
I mentioned this in my last post, but yeah, not a lot of talk about the fact that the game was NOT OVER. If they come up with a big stop there, they get the ball back at roughly midfield only down by two with a timeout and about 40 seconds on the clock. Could've made two quick plays, spike, and kick the FG for the win. NOPETHEYWENTOFFSIDESGAMEOVER.
Well, no. There were only 20 seconds left when NE got the ball. Not sure how the coaches would have drawn it up, but I think if I am in the situation for NE, I put Brady in the shotgun with max protection, have the wideout run a streak down the sideline, and have Brady just hold the ball as long as he can, and then lob high passes way downfield out of bounds. If they can eat up 5 seconds per play, that only leaves 5 seconds for them to do the same thing and take a safety on 5th, then do the free kick with only a couple of seconds on the clock. I kind of wish that penalty hadn't happened so that we could have seen how it would have played out, but I still think NE easily comes away with the win without Seattle ever really getting another chance.
I had considered that as a possibility, but I don't think you try it. Keep in mind that a grounding, or more importantly a hold, result in the same safety. It also struck me that the Patriots were uncharacteristically confused as to what to do there. Looked like they lined up to kneel down, then realized it wouldn't work and called timeout. Then they lined up to kneel down again which resulted in the offside. Brady has a knack for getting 2 or 3 yards on keepers, so I assume that's what they were going to do, but I'm honestly not sure. In any event it had the potential for an even more thrilling finish than what we got, had SEA been able to exercise some discipline.
I was shocked they were able to draw them off. He could not kneel. Great cadence by Brady in that moment.
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And nobody's talking about the off-side penalty that led to Bruce Irvin's dazzling display of sportsmanship. The game was not over at that point. NE had no room to kneel and a safety/free kick would have given Seattle a great chance to pull it out. Much like GB two weeks ago a crucial breakdown of discipline.
I mentioned this in my last post, but yeah, not a lot of talk about the fact that the game was NOT OVER. If they come up with a big stop there, they get the ball back at roughly midfield only down by two with a timeout and about 40 seconds on the clock. Could've made two quick plays, spike, and kick the FG for the win. NOPETHEYWENTOFFSIDESGAMEOVER.
Well, no. There were only 20 seconds left when NE got the ball. Not sure how the coaches would have drawn it up, but I think if I am in the situation for NE, I put Brady in the shotgun with max protection, have the wideout run a streak down the sideline, and have Brady just hold the ball as long as he can, and then lob high passes way downfield out of bounds. If they can eat up 5 seconds per play, that only leaves 5 seconds for them to do the same thing and take a safety on 5th, then do the free kick with only a couple of seconds on the clock. I kind of wish that penalty hadn't happened so that we could have seen how it would have played out, but I still think NE easily comes away with the win without Seattle ever really getting another chance.
I had considered that as a possibility, but I don't think you try it. Keep in mind that a grounding, or more importantly a hold, result in the same safety. It also struck me that the Patriots were uncharacteristically confused as to what to do there. Looked like they lined up to kneel down, then realized it wouldn't work and called timeout. Then they lined up to kneel down again which resulted in the offside. Brady has a knack for getting 2 or 3 yards on keepers, so I assume that's what they were going to do, but I'm honestly not sure. In any event it had the potential for an even more thrilling finish than what we got, had SEA been able to exercise some discipline.
As far as calling the passing plays, yeah, I would love to hear what a coach would have to say about that approach, but I just figure that, during that timeout, you tell your players they just HAVE TO be disciplined and not get a holding call. And as far as grounding, I think that is less of a concern if, again, you just have a receiver streaking down the sideline and you throw it out of bounds in the receiver's general vicinity. If the above fails, worst case scenario is you take the safety early and end up having to free kick it to them with around 15 second left. That definitely leaves the Seahawks a window, but it is still a small one.
Not sure what they were going to do. A keeper/sneak seems to make the most sense, but hard to say if that is what they actually were going to do.
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Time for the final Monday morning QB's of the season. If I had it my way, both teams would've lost. :lol
Not sure if this was directed at me, but even still, as it pertains to the highlighted quote, I would say that both teams deserved to win this week. I feel both teams made some great plays, and a couple bonehead plays. Hard fought game right down to the end. If Brady doesn't throw that first pick, everything being equal, it's not even that close of a game in the end. If Carroll makes the right call at the end, the Hawks most likely win. Hell, they even had a chance to get the ball back if they could have forced a safety after that call (another bonehead play to go offside there). If there was any game where both teams deserve to lose it was the Green Bay/Seattle game from two weeks ago, not this one.
Wasn't directed at you at all. I didn't say that based on the merits of either team. They are both obviously great teams. It was meant to be a joke based on not liking either team. I was neither routing for one or the other.
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We want to pay the QBs the most money. Let them earn it. Wilson gets that insane call in his head set. He could have audibled out to a run... or maybe a fade to the corner. Another thing he could have done would be to run to the outside, and if it was clear that he could get to the goal line, throw that ball into the 10th row.
Easy to say from the couch. If they score, he's most likely the hero. It is what it is.
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15 counts of animal abuse involving a dog and an alligator? What in the fuck?
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12268940/terrence-cody-formerly-baltimore-ravens-indicted-animal-abuse
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Went to work at 5am this morning, came home to clear 8" out of my driveway. Finally inside..
Anyway, obviously dumb to call that play at the end, but the thing is, that looked like a sure touchdown, had Marcus Butler not pulled that defensive play out of his ass.
It would've been hailed as a great call had it been successful, and it almost was. Pats expecting a run, boom slant for the score.
And what was awesome about it was that Butler had the wherewithall to CATCH the ball, not just knock it down. Had he just broken it up, Lynch takes the ball on the next snap.
Did you see that Asante Samuel??
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Brady was the obvious MVP. Sure, they don't win without Butler's play, but take Brady out of the game and they lose by 20+. I am never a fan of giving someone the MVP for one play. I still think it's a joke that Desmond Howard got it over Favre in SB 31 because he had one kickoff return for a TD.
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As much as I hated the outcome of the game, I was more put off by the halftime show. Hyped all week as "global superstar", what we got was a lip-syncing moron with dancing sharks. This is what people consider to be great entertainment? And before anyone says "who cares, she's hawt" you do realize you could take any reasonably attractive female, put the spray-tan and make-up on them and have them dance around like a tramp while pretending to sing and no could tell the difference? At least not anyone further back than 5 rows. I wonder if Perry and her handlers could see the contrast between her "performance" and those of Legend and Menzel.
I have essentially zero connection to Katie Perry's music, but visually the show was fucking fantastic. The polygon lion, the awesome projections on the ground. And yes, the sudden switch to the beach set made it even better. It was ludicrous, but intentionally so, and it totally worked.
The only part that didn't work for me was the Missy Elliot part. Rap just doesn't translate live.
On another note, I was told yesterday that the next Superbowl will *not* be called "Superbowl L", but instead " Superbowl 50"?
How lame. If you're gonna choose Roman numerals, then at least stick with them.
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Damn, would that officially rid America of the last trace of Roman numerals? Can't think of anywhere else they're still used off the top of my head. Too bad, I like the things.
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Nope. They will go back to Roman numerals with Superbowl LI. It's ludicrous.
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You know us Americans Rumbo. What's the Metric system?
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More seriously though, as good a coach as Carroll is, he's gonna be known for probably the biggest all time bonehead play call in SB history. However, I suppose it's poetic justice that they gave the game away when the Packers did them the same favor 2 weeks earlier.
The NFC playoffs teams suffered one grueling loss followed by another.
Lions lose in gut wrenching fashion to Cowboys.
Cowboys lose in gut wrenching fashion to Packers.
Packers lose in gut wrenching fashion to Seahawks.
Seahawks lose in gut wrenching fashion to Pats.
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As much as I hated the outcome of the game, I was more put off by the halftime show. Hyped all week as "global superstar", what we got was a lip-syncing moron with dancing sharks. This is what people consider to be great entertainment? And before anyone says "who cares, she's hawt" you do realize you could take any reasonably attractive female, put the spray-tan and make-up on them and have them dance around like a tramp while pretending to sing and no could tell the difference? At least not anyone further back than 5 rows. I wonder if Perry and her handlers could see the contrast between her "performance" and those of Legend and Menzel.
I have essentially zero connection to Katie Perry's music, but visually the show was fucking fantastic. The polygon lion, the awesome projections on the ground. And yes, the sudden switch to the beach set made it even better. It was ludicrous, but intentionally so, and it totally worked.
The only part that didn't work for me was the Missy Elliot part. Rap just doesn't translate live.
I have to agree. Except the part about Missy Elliot. I mean, I didn't care for that part either, but it certainly has an audience.
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I'd much rather have it Super Bowl 50 than Super Bowl L. Super BowllllllllLLLLlllLLLL. It's probably for logo/artistic reasons.
And these anti-Seahawks memes are really cheesing me off.
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I hate to admit it, but that's a good one.
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It's funny but I like Russell as a QB and a person. The other meme is fitting. You play to the camera and mock your equal you're going to get burned.
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I'd like to see the Super Bowl announce a huge mega star for the halftime show, then roll out Rick Astley.
Or "Up With People". Either would be the best prank ever.
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More seriously though, as good a coach as Carroll is, he's gonna be known for probably the biggest all time bonehead play call in SB history.
Which is really dumb because his rationale for calling that play was actually pretty sound. And I read that if you compare the success rate of the play they called vs. the success rate of Lynch from 1 yard out, the success rate weighed far in favor of the pass play. For whatever reason, despite Lynch's beastly numbers, his success rate from the 1 yard line is decidedly pedestrian (assuming that article was correct). But even aside from that, the Pats run D was doing a serviceable job, and it isn't a stretch to assume that if they stacked the box, they might have gotten some stops. I don't think it hurts to take a shot at a pass and stop the clock, knowing you will likely still have two chances at a run play (2 chances because they still had a timeout).
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That Sherman picture had me chuckling. Wait till the game's over pal before doing that crap. Or, how about not doing it at all. And I just saw Baldwin's touchdown "Celebration." Good grief.
I thought for a minute about Russell Wilson, and how a mature player like him should be able to not let this bury his confidence or future, and that he'll be back. But then I thought about Dan Marino.
It also occurred to me that we are also reasonably close to owning 3 SB championships. Not complaining or crying foul, just a thought.
Regarding that last pass play, if SEA goes with Lynch, do the Pats let him in to get the ball back? Belicheck wasn't calling any TOs so that would lead you to think that wasn't their plan. and why did it takem them over 30 seconds to run that play anyway?
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Might I add that despite Carroll's greatness, this is only the 2nd most boneheaded thing one of his teams has done.
Remember in the National Championship Game versus Texas when they were faced with a 4th and 2? And in that do or die moment, the best player in Reggie Bush, watched from the sideline...for some reason.
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Regarding that last pass play, if SEA goes with Lynch, do the Pats let him in to get the ball back? Belicheck wasn't calling any TOs so that would lead you to think that wasn't their plan. and why did it takem them over 30 seconds to run that play anyway?
That AND the fact that when he ran it from the 5, they sure tried to stop him (and succeeded). I was thinking right after THAT play that it might have been better if they just let him get in while there was still time.
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What a Sapp!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-great-warren-sapp-arrested-for-soliciting-escort-assault-in-phoenix/ar-AA8UmCX
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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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More seriously though, as good a coach as Carroll is, he's gonna be known for probably the biggest all time bonehead play call in SB history.
Which is really dumb because his rationale for calling that play was actually pretty sound. And I read that if you compare the success rate of the play they called vs. the success rate of Lynch from 1 yard out, the success rate weighed far in favor of the pass play. For whatever reason, despite Lynch's beastly numbers, his success rate from the 1 yard line is decidedly pedestrian (assuming that article was correct). But even aside from that, the Pats run D was doing a serviceable job, and it isn't a stretch to assume that if they stacked the box, they might have gotten some stops. I don't think it hurts to take a shot at a pass and stop the clock, knowing you will likely still have two chances at a run play (2 chances because they still had a timeout).
Yeah, I agree. People are acting as if it's a sure thing they win if ML runs the ball. That's not even remotely true. Then you have two fantastic coaches trying to outdo one another with clock management, and play calls and it's a pretty complicated situation. Now, a quick slant into the most crowded part of the field is a different story, but I don't hear people complaining about what pass they called.
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Excellent analysis of how the whole thing could have unfolded explaining the pass on second and Belichick's non-time out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/02/bill-belichick-made-a-sneaky-smart-decision-that-might-have-contributed-to-fateful-play-call-by-pete-carroll/
All of it seems quite plausible and is exactly the sort of coaching you'd expect from one of the best ever.
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but I don't hear people complaining about what pass they called.
Really? I've been hearing that all day.
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Yeah, I have as well. But still, those who are complaining about that still miss out on at least two crucial facts: (1) that very pass play is a VERY high percentage play for Seattle; and (2) the play was well-executed and ended in disaster for Seattle ONLY because Butler made an amazing play.
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Yeah, I have as well. But still, those who are complaining about that still miss out on at least two crucial facts: (1) that very pass play is a VERY high percentage play for Seattle; and (2) the play was well-executed and ended in disaster for Seattle ONLY because Butler made an amazing play.
Agreed. If you see a shot of the play .5 seconds after the snap, it looks like an automatic touchdown. Butler just made such a good break on it.
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edit: Nope, had that wrong.
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(2) the play was well-executed and ended in disaster for Seattle ONLY because Butler made an amazing play.
Not entirely. The slant wasn't sold as well as it could have, and the pass was leading Lockette too much, and Kearse(?) needed a better push off the line. Or something like that I have been reading.
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All I'll say is the slant works amazing in the redzone in Madden.
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I personally would have done a fade if you were going to pass. Kills a little more clock and doesn't have you throwing the ball in the middle of the field where it is more likely to be intercepted. Granted, I am a Monday (Tuesday) morning QB.
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I've heard grumblings that the powers that be are obsessed with making Russell Wilson the face of the franchise, to the point where there is some dissension in the locker room (which was the cause of the Percy Harvin trade).
Anywho, I heard a beat writer being interviewed on.... sports radio (yeah I know) suggest that they called the pass so that Wilson could win the game, and have the glory, rather than Lynch.
Not saying I'm buying it... but it is an interesting line of thought.
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I've heard grumblings that the powers that be are obsessed with making Russell Wilson the face of the franchise, to the point where there is some dissension in the locker room (which was the cause of the Percy Harvin trade).
Anywho, I heard a beat writer being interviewed on.... sports radio (yeah I know) suggest that they called the pass so that Wilson could win the game, and have the glory, rather than Lynch.
Not saying I'm buying it... but it is an interesting line of thought.
Not buying it. They handed the ball off to Lynch 5 yards out fully expecting him to score....which he near did (no ones talking about that tackle that stopped him)....this type of 'story' is just a way to try an explain Seattle not capitolizing on the opportunity to win the game. It's as if it's a foregone conclusion Lynch would have scored anyway. any number of things could have happened, fumble....stopped in the backfield for a loss....zero gain.....holding penalty.....so on and so on.
Butler made a big play.....Seattle folk who are still crying about not winning need to get over it, that's why games are played and plays are ran....you have to execute.
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They called the pass because it was the only way to get three attempts rather than 2. A third play had to be a pass (TD or stop the clock), and 2nd down was the logical time to do it. Problem was that NE was expecting it for those reasons.
Oh, and there were dissension rumors months ago about that very thing. Like I said, between lockerroom discord with players and players, players and ownership, as well as players and coaches now, I'd expect a very similar meltdown as we saw with SF coming up. That's of course assuming that they even decide to hang on to Marshawn.
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I don't buy it at all.
The other reason they threw was they mismanaged the clock. They were not ready to get a play in and it took too long. You're in a 2 minute drill and you don't have the play ready?
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The other reason they threw was they mismanaged the clock. They were not ready to get a play in and it took too long. You're in a 2 minute drill and you don't have the play ready?
They were still in shock from that extremely lucky catch.... :lol
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In N.E. we were all screaming in unison, "Not This Again!"
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In N.E. we were all screaming in unison, "Not This Again!"
Listen, I had/have no dog in the hunt. I dislike/Like both teams equally because they both have players I depsise and players I like. But when that catch happened I was convinced that Tom Brady had some sort of curse placed on him by Bridget Monahan. It was like.....how many times can that happen to him/them? :lol
And, like the rest of the population and players watching I was certain the Seahawks were going to punch it in and that was that. It's just so true that on any given play anything can happen....it's unreal....it happened twice in the matter of three plays.
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Anywho, I heard a beat writer being interviewed on.... sports radio (yeah I know) suggest that they called the pass so that Wilson could win the game, and have the glory, rather than Lynch.
Been hearing those rumblings too, even on Jim Rome. He loves conspiracies, but even he doesn't buy this one. I can't imagine Wilson getting the MVP award if they win. He had a mediocre day. Matthews should have been the one to get it. It would have been a better story anyway.
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I don't buy it at all.
What don't you buy, my version??? Carroll said several times after the game they were going to use all four downs. When Belichick let the clock bleed out 40 seconds Carroll now longer had time to run the ball 3 more times. He could either run three plays with one of them being a pass, or two plays both runs. Odds favor 3 attempts more than 2.
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"Super Bowl L" should be held in Wales. Super Bowll.
PS. If you don't get this, learn some Welsh.
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"Super Bowl L" should be held in Wales. Super Bowll.
PS. If you don't get this, learn some Welsh.
Naw, the Brits should get 54 so it'll be Super Bowlix.
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"Super Bowl L" should be held in Wales. Super Bowll.
PS. If you don't get this, learn some Welsh.
Naw, the Brits should get 54 so it'll be Super Bowlix.
Uuuuh...that's 59, Barto. 54 would be Super BowLIV. :lol
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I don't buy it at all.
What don't you buy, my version??? Carroll said several times after the game they were going to use all four downs. When Belichick let the clock bleed out 40 seconds Carroll now longer had time to run the ball 3 more times. He could either run three plays with one of them being a pass, or two plays both runs. Odds favor 3 attempts more than 2.
Sorry. I was responding to DOC.
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I was thinking about buying that hat, but I'm not really much of a hat person so I settled on the shirt instead :lol
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"Super Bowl L" should be held in Wales. Super Bowll.
PS. If you don't get this, learn some Welsh.
Naw, the Brits should get 54 so it'll be Super Bowlix.
Uuuuh...that's 59, Barto. 54 would be Super BowLIV. :lol
Huh. I must have missed that day in high school Imagine that.
I was thinking about buying that hat, but I'm not really much of a hat person so I settled on the shirt instead :lol
What I want is the hoodie, but they're damned proud of those. I'm hoping sometime around June or so they'll mark them way down.
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I've heard grumblings that the powers that be are obsessed with making Russell Wilson the face of the franchise, to the point where there is some dissension in the locker room (which was the cause of the Percy Harvin trade).
Anywho, I heard a beat writer being interviewed on.... sports radio (yeah I know) suggest that they called the pass so that Wilson could win the game, and have the glory, rather than Lynch.
Not saying I'm buying it... but it is an interesting line of thought.
I heard this theory yesterday, and I have to admit that it is one of the dumbest things I've heard in quite some time.
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"Super Bowl L" should be held in Wales. Super Bowll.
PS. If you don't get this, learn some Welsh.
That would be awesome. "Welcome to Super.. Super.... SuperBowlch!!!"
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Yeah, I have as well. But still, those who are complaining about that still miss out on at least two crucial facts: (1) that very pass play is a VERY high percentage play for Seattle; and (2) the play was well-executed and ended in disaster for Seattle ONLY because Butler made an amazing play.
This is how I feel.
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(2) the play was well-executed and ended in disaster for Seattle ONLY because Butler made an amazing play.
Not entirely. The slant wasn't sold as well as it could have, and the pass was leading Lockette too much, and Kearse(?) needed a better push off the line. Or something like that I have been reading.
On Belichick's weekly radio interview, he laid a lot of credit on the play on Browner for stopping that push.
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This is the only response needed for the "Don't let Lynch score the TD" conspiracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)
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The Hawks did have a play before the pass, but the way NE's D lined up, they thought better of it. Or so they say...
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I don't buy it at all.
What don't you buy, my version??? Carroll said several times after the game they were going to use all four downs. When Belichick let the clock bleed out 40 seconds Carroll now longer had time to run the ball 3 more times. He could either run three plays with one of them being a pass, or two plays both runs. Odds favor 3 attempts more than 2.
There was no need to use 3 downs. Especially a team like Seattle. 20 secs. 2nd and goal. Beast mode. Touchdown. Game over. Even if they didn't score on 2nd down, still plenty of time to get another snap or use the timeout to strategize the next play. It really should've only taken a max of 2 downs to get that score and they never gave themselves a chance.
More seriously though, as good a coach as Carroll is, he's gonna be known for probably the biggest all time bonehead play call in SB history.
Which is really dumb because his rationale for calling that play was actually pretty sound. And I read that if you compare the success rate of the play they called vs. the success rate of Lynch from 1 yard out, the success rate weighed far in favor of the pass play. For whatever reason, despite Lynch's beastly numbers, his success rate from the 1 yard line is decidedly pedestrian (assuming that article was correct). But even aside from that, the Pats run D was doing a serviceable job, and it isn't a stretch to assume that if they stacked the box, they might have gotten some stops. I don't think it hurts to take a shot at a pass and stop the clock, knowing you will likely still have two chances at a run play (2 chances because they still had a timeout).
Yeah, I think in most other less critical situations, the percentages might be sound, but in this case, I don't buy into it. The statistical percentages really don't apply here because of the extreme situation. It's the end of the SB, down by 4 and the TD is a must. Slant plays are designed more for 3rd and 5 situations with a more spread out defense. On the 1 yard line, it's just too crowded. Not only that, but the pass needed to be right in the numbers and not leading the receiver. If incomplete, then the clock stops and you go to the run anyway on 3rd and goal. The pass is just too risky there as the Hawks found out.
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If they just HAD to go with a pass, surely there were better options than a fucking slant right?
Agreed completely with Dub above.
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I don't buy it at all.
What don't you buy, my version??? Carroll said several times after the game they were going to use all four downs. When Belichick let the clock bleed out 40 seconds Carroll now longer had time to run the ball 3 more times. He could either run three plays with one of them being a pass, or two plays both runs. Odds favor 3 attempts more than 2.
There was no need to use 3 downs. Especially a team like Seattle. 20 secs. 2nd and goal. Beast mode. Touchdown. Game over. Even if they didn't score on 2nd down, still plenty of time to get another snap or use the timeout to strategize the next play. It really should've only taken a max of 2 downs to get that score and they never gave themselves a chance.
Perhaps, perhaps not, but that doesn't mean you waste one of those downs. Like I said, three chances are always better than two.
Also, lets keep in mind the pressure both coaches were under when making these decisions. Carroll was in a freaking pressure cooker at that point with a clock ticking down in his face. While we can say now in hindsight that it was the bad call, it was at the time very understandable decision and reasonable under the circumstances.
Lastly, it's interesting that we still maintain the attitude that we need somebody to burn. Carroll and his OC are the goats here. If they'd run the ball and scored everybody would be blasting Belichick for not calling that timeout. Seems like finding somebody to bag on is what the game has come down to nowadays.
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A few Pats players have hinted in interviews that Bill didn't call a time out seeing the Seahawks wasting time figuring out a play to call.
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I don't buy it at all.
What don't you buy, my version??? Carroll said several times after the game they were going to use all four downs. When Belichick let the clock bleed out 40 seconds Carroll now longer had time to run the ball 3 more times. He could either run three plays with one of them being a pass, or two plays both runs. Odds favor 3 attempts more than 2.
There was no need to use 3 downs. Especially a team like Seattle. 20 secs. 2nd and goal. Beast mode. Touchdown. Game over. Even if they didn't score on 2nd down, still plenty of time to get another snap or use the timeout to strategize the next play. It really should've only taken a max of 2 downs to get that score and they never gave themselves a chance.
Perhaps, perhaps not, but that doesn't mean you waste one of those downs. Like I said, three chances are always better than two.
Also, lets keep in mind the pressure both coaches were under when making these decisions. Carroll was in a freaking pressure cooker at that point with a clock ticking down in his face. While we can say now in hindsight that it was the bad call, it was at the time very understandable decision and reasonable under the circumstances.
Lastly, it's interesting that we still maintain the attitude that we need somebody to burn. Carroll and his OC are the goats here. If they'd run the ball and scored everybody would be blasting Belichick for not calling that timeout. Seems like finding somebody to bag on is what the game has come down to nowadays.
I agree. He's the guy that gets paid millions of dollars to make those decisions, not me or anyone else. He made a decision, based on a good analysis of his options. It didn't work, because a defender made a hell of a play. That's life. That's it, no one has to be on the hook for anything.
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Yeah, that seemed like the most likely reason. BB knows what he is doing, and I think he made good decisions, whether it be not calling the timeout or the strange "hybrid" defense that was a goal-line D, but with 3 corners. He was trying to create confusion on the other side, and it worked.
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Yeah, that seemed like the most likely reason. BB knows what he is doing, and I think he made good decisions, whether it be not calling the timeout or the strange "hybrid" defense that was a goal-line D, but with 3 corners. He was trying to create confusion on the other side, and it worked.
Yeah, Belichick said this morning that he just liked the matchups they had, so he didn't want to call timeout and give Carroll time to reconsider. It was then that he subbed in Butler for Ayers. To Butler's credit, he said he just recognized the play from film, and everybody on the Patriots have confirmed that he's exactly the sort of guy who would remember and act on it. What it comes down to is a couple of coaches under unbelievable amounts of pressure just winging it as best they could. One did better than the other.
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To Butler's credit, he said he just recognized the play from film, and everybody on the Patriots have confirmed that he's exactly the sort of guy who would remember and act on it.
That AND he said he had blown that exact play in practice, and the coaches jumped on him and showed him how to defend it, so he had it burned into his mind.
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When Kearse bobbled that catch, I covered my eyes in frustration for a couple of seconds. I opened them and the ref was standing on the sideline with the ball. I was like "he caught that???" :omg:
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When Kearse bobbled that catch, I covered my eyes in frustration for a couple of seconds. I opened them and the ref was standing on the sideline with the ball. I was like "he caught that???" :omg:
Same, the party I went to was all Seahawk fans save for the host and his wife, and even all of us rooting for the Seahawks were like "WHAT!? HOW WAS THAT A CATCH, THEY'VE GOT TO BE WRONG!!!" :lol
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So Kam Chancellor played with a torn MCL. On the report it was a knee injury. So you can be vague? So isn't this lying. Isn't it cheating?
Where's the outrage. Where is it? I know the answer.
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Was Manning's injury ever specifically noted? I only knew about his injury after the Colts vs Broncos game.
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So Kam Chancellor played with a torn MCL. On the report it was a knee injury. So you can be vague? So isn't this lying. Isn't it cheating?
Where's the outrage. Where is it? I know the answer.
I don't think that's cheating.
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Agreed, teams in the NHL get as vague as they can possibly get when reporting player's injuries :lol
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Also, I don't see how it affects the competitive balance.
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I know. I'm kidding. They do it because players would go after the specific spots. Just like Browner said in an interview before the SB. Hell, Brady's shoulder been on the report longer than some players have been in the league. :lol
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I think he was referring to how all the people were saying "Edelman might've had a concussion they shouldn't have let him play. Another example of Patriots cheating".
People are annoying.
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Sure is. But Bill put the magnifying glass on the team in 2007.
Now, what the hell is Pete Carroll doing with all these interviews. He should have said after the game, of course we will second guess ourselves and then hide in the bunker for a few weeks. Instead he's on a whirlwind tour proclaiming things will be glorious after what happened.
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Carroll can defend the indefensible till the cows come home, but that call will still stand as one of the worst ever seen in sports.
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U mad, bro?
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Carroll can defend the indefensible till the cows come home, but that call will still stand as one of the worst ever seen in sports.
True. I also find it interesting how others are defending the indefensible just for the sake of argument. Carroll should've just admitted the bad call without giving a reason why he made it because there is no sound reason.
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I like how calling a good play under the circumstances is somehow "indefensible." :lol
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It wasn't a good play though.
Not taking away props from the Butler kid, did a heck of job with that interception, but that play call was horrid.
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It wasn't a good play though.
Not taking away props from the Butler kid, did a heck of job with that interception, but that play call was horrid.
Again, except for the fact that it was a great play call. I guess I have to beat a dead horse here, but anyone saying it was a horrid call is ignoring some objective facts. To name a few:
-Lynch was 1 for 5 on goal line run plays.
-NE had a goal-line package in the game to stuff the run.
-When the Patriots went to goal line personnel earlier in the game the Seahawks countered by throwing the touchdown to Doug Baldwin off play action.
-The slant play from the goal line is a high-probability play for teams that run it well--which Seattle does. (i.e. a much higher probability than Lynch's 1-for-5)
-A pass play saves 2 downs for Seattle to try something else if it fails, which is key when there is so little time on the clock and only 1 timeout.
The only arguments for it being a "bad" call are: (1) plain hindsight, and (2) "but Marshawn Lynch!" I don't think I even need to point out why the hindsight argument is faulty. And as for running it in on that down, see bullet points 1, 2, and 4 above. The odds say that the play that was called should have been more likely to succeed in that situation. That's just fact.
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Come on. The only reason people are saying "It was an awful play" is that the defender made the interception. If they had scored, no one would be saying, "Gosh, that was an AWFUL play call, they got lucky on that one!"
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^That too. By that logic, the TD pass to Baldwin earlier was also an awful play.
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^That too. By that logic, the TD pass to Baldwin earlier was also an awful play.
Baldwin was open by about 10 yards because Revis got picked by the Zebra. He almost tripped over his own feet and still caught the ball.
The decision to call the pass play on the goal line was bad if only because they ran it enough so that the Pats knew it was in their playbook, the defense recognized it, and was able to act accordingly.
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^That too. By that logic, the TD pass to Baldwin earlier was also an awful play.
Baldwin was open by about 10 yards because Revis got picked by the Zebra. He almost tripped over his own feet and still caught the ball.
We're talking about the play call, not the play execution.
The decision to call the pass play on the goal line was bad if only because they ran it enough so that the Pats knew it was in their playbook, the defense recognized it, and was able to act accordingly.
I am guessing that they recognized it because it is in the Pats' (and lots of other teams as well) playbook. ...which is why the Pats had practiced it earlier in the season, which is the specific reason Butler said he recognized it.
But despite that it is a play that a lot of teams around the league use (and it is, therefore, a recognizable play), it is still an effective, high percentage play as-is. Not to mention the fact that that formation can be used for other plays as well. If Butler is convinced that it is a quick slant and decides to jump the route, there is no time to change your mind once you commit. If he guesses wrong and the play instead calls for Lockette to fake the inside move and run a fade, it is a touchdown. Or if Butler commits to it being a fade route, and it is an inside quick slant, he has no chance to jump the route. Neither one is a bad play call in that situation, despite that it is easy to call it a bad play in hindsight if the defense happens to guess correctly and execute perfectly.
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If anything, maybe the pass call could have been thrown to the corners of the endzone and not in the middle where the congestion was.
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True, but the congestion is precisely what makes the play so successful most of the time. The congestion is what normally keeps the defender from being able to jump the route in the first place if Browner doesn't also do such an amazing job of jamming Kearse at the line.
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But despite that it is a play that a lot of teams around the league use (and it is, therefore, a recognizable play), it is still an effective, high percentage play as-is. Not to mention the fact that that formation can be used for other plays as well. If Butler is convinced that it is a quick slant and decides to jump the route, there is no time to change your mind once you commit. If he guesses wrong and the play instead calls for Lockette to fake the inside move and run a fade, it is a touchdown. Or if Butler commits to it being a fade route, and it is an inside quick slant, he has no chance to jump the route. Neither one is a bad play call in that situation, despite that it is easy to call it a bad play in hindsight if the defense happens to guess correctly and execute perfectly.
This.
If Butler hesitates to jump the route, at all, it's TD for the Seahawks. There is only one way to defend that play and you need to see it coming.
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Amen on Browner. They were coached up so well that Browner and Butler executed it to perfection.
BTW, there are shirts out now that say, "It was the Bulter, with a Pick, in the End Zone." :lol
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Also, next Wednesday, Bellichick is on Letterman. Oh boy. :lol
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BTW, there are shirts out now that say, "It was the Bulter, with a Pick, in the End Zone." :lol
If I were a Pats fan, that would be a must-have. :lol
...But I'm not. I still don't like them. So more for you. :|
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If they make it in big boy sizes, you know I'll get it.
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That makes my heart warm.
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Quoted for truth.
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It wasn't a good play though.
Not taking away props from the Butler kid, did a heck of job with that interception, but that play call was horrid.
Again, except for the fact that it was a great play call. I guess I have to beat a dead horse here, but anyone saying it was a horrid call is ignoring some objective facts. To name a few:
-Lynch was 1 for 5 on goal line run plays.
-NE had a goal-line package in the game to stuff the run.
-When the Patriots went to goal line personnel earlier in the game the Seahawks countered by throwing the touchdown to Doug Baldwin off play action.
-The slant play from the goal line is a high-probability play for teams that run it well--which Seattle does. (i.e. a much higher probability than Lynch's 1-for-5)
-A pass play saves 2 downs for Seattle to try something else if it fails, which is key when there is so little time on the clock and only 1 timeout.
The only arguments for it being a "bad" call are: (1) plain hindsight, and (2) "but Marshawn Lynch!" I don't think I even need to point out why the hindsight argument is faulty. And as for running it in on that down, see bullet points 1, 2, and 4 above. The odds say that the play that was called should have been more likely to succeed in that situation. That's just fact.
As a Seahawk fan...I'm 100% with Bosk on this one.
After I got over the emotions of the whole thing, and put on my pure "Monday Morning QB" cap...the problem was NOT the play call. It was actually a very good and sound playcall. They saw a bad matchup, and they tried to exploit it with a high percentage pass against a sub-par defender. The defender simply made a very fluky uncharacteristic play on the ball. It was play he was not going to make 99 times out of a 100. All the fluke, weird plays that had gone Seattle's way for the last two years finally went the opposite direction on the last play of the season.
To me, the more WTF moment was why on earth they didn't at least take a time out to just talk it over for a sec. I mean, you've just had a circus catch go your way and give you 1st and goal on the 1yd line with a minute left to play. You've got a time out...why let the clock run? Why rush? The game is literally in your hands. I mean, at worst, even if you don't want to waste the time out, you could just spike the ball. Take a moment to talk about this.
Still, I do think the play call itself was a good one....albeit a bit rushed.
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Yeah, I felt that they had a little over a minute when they made that crazy catch and it took so long to get the play together for the 4 yard run that it put them in the rushing around position. It seemed that the Pats coaching staff was prepared and Seattle's staff was not.
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To clarify, I didn't have a problem with them throwing the ball there. It's the pass play they called is why it was such a horrific play call. It was a "catch the snap and throw it right away into a mess of players" play call. At least call a play that lets Wilson hold the ball for a few seconds and then throw it away if no one is open right away.
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To clarify, I didn't have a problem with them throwing the ball there. It's the pass play they called is why it was such a horrific play call. It was a "catch the snap and throw it right away into a mess of players" play call. At least call a play that lets Wilson hold the ball for a few seconds and then throw it away if no one is open right away.
This this this this this.
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To clarify, I didn't have a problem with them throwing the ball there. It's the pass play they called is why it was such a horrific play call. It was a "catch the snap and throw it right away into a mess of players" play call. At least call a play that lets Wilson hold the ball for a few seconds and then throw it away if no one is open right away.
Well, like I said. It was the matchup on that receiver. He had a bad matchup and he tried to exploit it. Wilson actually made a pretty smart pick. Most QB's see that matchup and try to strike before someone can come in and help. The defender just made a very uncharacteristically amazing play, and I applaud him for doing so. He was the hero of the hour.
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Has anyone noticed that I am, in fact, being a good sport about all of this?
:angel:
:lol
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Has anyone noticed that I am, in fact, being a good sport about all of this?
:angel:
:lol
You're just being the worst man
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Has anyone noticed that I am, in fact, being a good sport about all of this?
Yep. Props to that. As much as we love our teams, it's important to remember that it's just a game.
Having said that, we've all experienced soul-crushing defeats as fans...
Oddly, even though the Broncos have lost four Super Bowls since I became a fan, the top two or three soul-crushing defeats for me weren't any of those. The loss to Jacksonville in the divisional round in 1996 still sits at the top (which made the Super Bowl run the following year that much more sweet), mostly because no Broncos fan saw that one coming, and that team was great enough to win it all. I was bummed for days after that one (most losses I am over pretty quickly).
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Yeah. I almost had my soul crushed by an incredible catch in the 4th quarter for the 3rd SB in a row.
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Haha, I can imagine. The Kearse catch was more Tyree than Manningham: just very flukey. The Manningham play was just a fantastic throw and catch.
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Going back to the soul-crushing defeats, to me, they are always worse when you expect a win. For example, the Super Bowl loss to Seattle last year and the AFCCG loss to Pittsburgh in 2005 both sucked, but deep down I kind of knew the Broncos were not going to win those games. The loss to the Ravens two years ago was more iffy, as I thought the Broncos would win, but I was still nervous about it. The Jacksonville loss was a game I wasn't the least bit worried about, even though the Broncos had gone into neutral late in the season (they had the 1 seed clinched at 12-1 and took their foot off the gas for the last three games). Plus, after that loss, we wondered if that really was Elway's last real chance to win a Super Bowl. The following two seasons more than made up for it, but at the time, there was that demoralizing "Elway might have just seen his last great shot go down the toilet" feeling.
For Seahawks fans, as crushing as last week had to be, the fact that they are a year removed from a Super Bowl victory has to take some of the sting away from it. Plus, after that miracle comeback against GB, last week was like playing with house money anyway.
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It sucks that the Hawks were a catch away from winning it. But the Hawks were a catch away from winning back to back SB's!!! That has to count for something.
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Haha, I can imagine. The Kearse catch was more Tyree than Manningham: just very flukey. The Manningham play was just a fantastic throw and catch.
That throw and catch were athletes at their best under pressure. Though the 2007 loss was devastating for the obvious reason.
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The mood in Seattle lately is actually *very* positive. Most people are settling into the "a fluke didn't go our way"... It was a fantastic and exciting season, and almost everyone is thoroughly convinced that we will be making a our 3rd SB appearance next year.
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Great read from Brady and McDaniels about the last two NE drives and their game plan in general: https://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/09/tom-brady-super-bowl-49-nfl/6/
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Brady set a SB record for shortest average pass. Some of us on this board could have completed those 3-yd dinks to Edelman. As far as THE play call, it was WHO the intended receiver was that was one of the biggest blunders, as well as Kearse's terrible attempt of a pick.
Also this:
https://grantland.com/the-triangle/lucky-and-good-how-tom-brady-became-the-greatest/
Ray Lewis got a lot of flack for the remark he made about Brady's career being owed to the Tuck Rule, but look at the possible scenarios - without the Tuck Rule, there is no Super Bowl victory and Bledsoe is likely the starter again. Brady could have ended up languishing on the bench; being traded to an inferior team, etc. So the Tuck Rule is a big factor.
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You have no sense of reality do you Dream Team. Why don't the Pats play right into Seattle's hands by throwing long. If you didn't notice, the big defensive backs of Seattle had a hard time covering the short, fast routes. That was N.E's game plan.
Also, that link is waaaaay off. There was rumblings that Bledsoe was about to be benched. His play dropped significantly that They were already thinking of playing Brady. The injury during the Jets game escalated the change.
As for the tuck rule, it was a bad rule for sure and it did help the Pats win the first SB, but "thems are the breaks". If you think the other 2 SB's the team was average you are way off. Those 2003 & 2004 teams were the best in the league by far.
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:censored tuck rule. As a Raiders fan, just hearing that mentioned makes me want to break something.
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You have no sense of reality do you Dream Team.
"thems are the breaks".
Both quoted for truth.
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To clarify, I didn't have a problem with them throwing the ball there. It's the pass play they called is why it was such a horrific play call. It was a "catch the snap and throw it right away into a mess of players" play call. At least call a play that lets Wilson hold the ball for a few seconds and then throw it away if no one is open right away.
This this this this this.
Okay. But again, that play--that SPECIFIC play--is a high-probability play for teams that run it well--which Seattle does. And it isn't throwing the ball "into a mess of players." It is throwing the ball to an area where there are a total of TWO defensive players, matched up on TWO offensive players, and the number of players is the specific reason why that play works. So...still not seeing your argument.
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Saying Lynch was 1-for-5 in those situations is a RIDICULOUSLY small sample size. It's like flipping a coin 5 times, getting heads once, and saying "the coin is rigged!". You could very well get heads the next 5 times in a row and Lynch could easily score 5 times in a row. If Brady starts a game completing 1 of his first 5 passes, do you suddenly no longer trust him to throw a pass? He might complete his next ten. What if Miguel Cabrera goes 1 for 5? Is he now a .200 hitter? You CAN"T make predictions based on a sample size that small. The call should have been 4 Lynch runs out of the no-huddle, there was plenty of time for that. Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.
Now one other point is how Butler for some odd reason significantly impacts the Brady narrative. If he doesn't make that play, we wouldn't have been seeing all these articles about how Brady is now definitively the Greatest Evah. Well, Brady was on the sideline when it happened. Hadn't he just completed two 4th-quarter TD drives to take the lead? Is 4-2 in Super Bowls really THAT much different than 3-3? Yet the Butler play completely changed the narrative. It's a fascinating commentary on how people think.
But please guys, learn something about statistics, sample size, randomness, etc. You'll be better for it; and I apologize for sounding condescending there. It's interesting that modern analysis in baseball has finally become mainstream and overturned the old myths, but in football there is still a huge pushback against modern analysis and a bewildering clinging to old notions like "you have to run to win!" 'defense wins championships!" "you have to play conservative and always punt on 4th down or kick a field goal even if you're at the opponent's 1 yard line!" (< a Mike McCarthy axiom if there ever was one)
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Well that narrative in NE is just that. This kid did help with Brady's legacy. It's been talked about on both sports radio stations.
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The call should have been 4 Lynch runs out of the no-huddle, there was plenty of time for that.
??? Maybe in the universe YOU live in, but not in the Universe where the game was played.
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The call should have been 4 Lynch runs out of the no-huddle, there was plenty of time for that.
??? Maybe in the universe YOU live in, but not in the Universe where the game was played.
:lol Exactly.
And, yeah, I get statistics. But your analogy sucks. The sample size is what it is. It is a sample size in a very specific situation. And it is one that suggests that, in that situation (i.e., goal line), when teams are prepared, they have a tough time running it in. Add to that scenario the fact that the Pats have a good goal line D, AND they had their goal line prevent D in the game. And, for what it's worth, add the play clock into the equation as well. The smart call is to go with a high percentage pass play, which they did. It didn't pan out. Get over it.
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What was exciting going into this game was that EVERY play mattered. EVERY play was critical to the outcome of the game.
All of the Pats' SBs have been that way. I get that Seattle Fans are frustrated. hell, the two SBs against the Giants still have me talking to myself, and I'm not even a football guy! ONE play, either way would've changed both of those SB outcomes.
The ball was basically in Lockett's hand but Butler made an outstanding read and play on the ball. Coached up for the exact situation. The call was a split second away from being a touchdown. And the fact that Butler caught it instead of breaking it up is huge.
Now one other point is how Butler for some odd reason significantly impacts the Brady narrative. If he doesn't make that play, we wouldn't have been seeing all these articles about how Brady is now definitively the Greatest Evah. Well, Brady was on the sideline when it happened. Hadn't he just completed two 4th-quarter TD drives to take the lead? Is 4-2 in Super Bowls really THAT much different than 3-3? Yet the Butler play completely changed the narrative. It's a fascinating commentary on how people think.
As Joe said, this has been discussed in these parts. That's why Brady gave the MVP truck to Butler. Cool gesture.
Funny. If Asante Samuel holds on to an uncontested interception on the Giants final drive in the first Pats/Giants SB, Brady would have 5!!
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Has anyone noticed that I am, in fact, being a good sport about all of this?
:angel:
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Just saw this post. Yes, duly noted.
Your posts in this thread are painful to read. Not having to read you continue to gloat was reason enough to root for the Pats! ;D
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The one that hurt me was the undefeated season (was that the first or second? I can't remember now.) But I was honestly rooting for the Pats BIG TIME that year. I'm usually all about the underdog, but I really wanted to see the first undefeated season in the history of the 16 game schedule. I was bummed that a wild card team took the trophy. It's a good "David and Goliath" story I suppose...but I'm sick of hearing about the '74 Dolphins. :lol