Would you like to see Portnoy back in Dream theater?

[Bolsters]

I think if they were going to play SDV at all now that Portnoy is gone, they would have done so on the ADTOE tour. I can't imagine why they'd wait until the second tour after his leaving to play it.

I'm not expecting to ever see it on a setlist.

[The Boomr]

I'M A GHOST AND I HAVE MAGICAL POWERS

I think this wins the battle

[?]

I think if they were going to play SDV at all now that Portnoy is gone, they would have done so on the ADTOE tour. I can't imagine why they'd wait until the second tour after his leaving to play it.

I'm not expecting to ever see it on a setlist.

When James was interviewed during the summer tour in 2011 he said the ADTOE tour is all about reestablishing the band and introducing Mangini to the fans, but it's not impossible that they might play some obscure songs on future tours. Also, Along for the Ride will be "an evening with DT" tour, so SDV could work as a nice breather in the long setlist and it could even be played as a James & Jordan duo version like the Tarrytown performance. As I said in my previous post I'm not sure they will play SDV, but I also can't see any reason why they shouldn't play it.

[Lucien]

I'M A GHOST AND I HAVE MAGICAL POWERS

I think this wins the battle

This, basically.

Anyways, didn't one of the band members say that Kevin just came in with Space Dye Vest as a complete song written by him? They always have said SDV was 100% Kevin's. ACoS, however, is Dream Theater, not just Mike's.

I would still rather they play Octavarium, but that's just me. However, with the inclusion of the new epic, Illumination Theory, we might not even get another epic, though that's doubtful considering it's an Evening With show with no openers (I'm pretty sure).

[MoraWintersoul]

I think if they were going to play SDV at all now that Portnoy is gone, they would have done so on the ADTOE tour. I can't imagine why they'd wait until the second tour after his leaving to play it.

I'm not expecting to ever see it on a setlist.

When James was interviewed during the summer tour in 2011 he said the ADTOE tour is all about reestablishing the band and introducing Mangini to the fans, but it's not impossible that they might play some obscure songs on future tours. Also, Along for the Ride will be "an evening with DT" tour, so SDV could work as a nice breather in the long setlist and it could even be played as a James & Jordan duo version like the Tarrytown performance. As I said in my previous post I'm not sure they will play SDV, but I also can't see any reason why they shouldn't play it.

Unless they wanna:

a) offend Kevin's feelings towards the song (which he documentedly doesn't have)
b) not play a song with lyrics penned by an ex-member, kind of like all the MP songs they didn't play... aw, wait, they played them
c) not play a song that's 100% Kevin Moore specifically, kind of like Wait For Sleep which they... DID play past tour (see a recurring pattern here? )
d) leave a song in their catalog unplayed for no reason

... they could play it. The only reasonable option is that they either don't like it - and James and Jordan seem to like it, so that leaves JP and JMX - or that they don't need a slow piano ballad in the set, and with three hours, they do.

[BlobVanDam]

They could choose much better piano ballads to play.


Like any of them.




They should do Disappear.





They should do all of disc 1 of SDOIT. Fight the neglect!

[Dark Castle]

But...but Space Dye Vest is the best song off of Awake!

[aprilethereal]

They could choose much better piano ballads to play.

no

They should do all of disc 1 of SDOIT. Fight the neglect!

I would probably leave that show after TGP. Disappear is excellent too, and TGD is great, but having to sit through both Blind Faith and DT's weakest song to date would kill every bit of enthusiasm I would have had at the beginning.

But...but Space Dye Vest is the best song off of Awake!

[Zydar]

But...but Space Dye Vest is best left off Awake!

Fix'd for me.

[Podaar]

But...but Space Dye Vest is best left off Awake!

Fix'd for me.

And me.

[BlobVanDam]

But...but Space Dye Vest is best left off Awake!

Fix'd for me.

One of the reason I rank Awake right at the bottom.

[Lucien]

Didn't they play Disappear last tour?

[MoraWintersoul]

They could choose much better piano ballads to play.


Like any of them.




They should do Disappear.





They should do all of disc 1 of SDOIT. Fight the neglect!

Heck why not both of these things. It would make me happy.

[KevShmev]

I am still not sure how great of a live song Space Dye Vest would be, and I wonder just how much of the average DT crowd would actually know the song.  Not everyone is an internet junkie who knows every DT song like the back of their hand.   And I doubt the band would take the Portnoy approach of, "We have to play it once, just so we can say we played it."

[aprilethereal]

Didn't they play Disappear last tour?

As far as I know, no

[LTE3]

I just realized how much I miss Portnoy. Somehow I think he was the SOUL of Dream theater.
I'm going to try to explain why;

When Portnoy was around , I had this feeling like we fans were a lot more important.  All the Portnoy's updates, messages etc. etc.  made me feel like I  was important to him.
Everyone knows that Portnoy loves his fans and he really can show it! I'm not trying to say that DT without Portnoy doesn't care about their fans. But When he was around I almost had this feeling like I was somehow part of Dream Theater.

But I don't get that feeling anymore.
When Portnoy was around the relationship with DT and fans could be described as "We"  and now it is more like "Us and them".


But yeah, this was only my opinion 
I'm interested to know what you guys think. 


Agree 100% sorry I missed the poll. I Think Mike is happy with what he is doing now, but I only hope in a couple years the guys all come to their senses.

[Mosh]

Disappear and Space Dye Vest live would be so awesome. Disappear has only been played twice AFAIK.

[lyfeternl]

Yikes... 

When did this thread become yet another discussion of "Will DT ever play _______ (insert song here written by ____ [insert former band member here]) live post-____(insert former band member here)?"

[rumborak]

"Mike was also asked whether he would one day be willing to reunite with DREAM THEATER and rejoin the band as their drummer. "Sure," he replied. "I would do it in a heartbeat. They are the ones that have closed the door on it. I've only needed a break, and I've had that break. So I'm ready, willing and able. But I honestly don't think they ever will; they've closed their door on it and I think they're too headstrong in having to prove themselves without me. So I wouldn't count on it. But my door is always open."

https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=193252

Only read this now, but man. 3 years later.

[The Boomr]

Calling the band headstrong was a little silly, imo. I still feel like MP just doesn't think about the things he's going to say in interviews, as much as it sounds like he has premeditated stuff, because little things like that always come out and then people bash on him just for that, endlessly. And while I agree that he shouldn't be insulting his old band, I'm not always sure that he really means it in any kind of negative way.

[rumborak]

He should just not answer those questions. Simple as that.

[aurorablind]

One of my main beefs with Mike whenever he mentions DT in interviews is that it still sounds like they pushed him out of the band.

The fact is he quit because 4/5 of the band didn´t agree with him - his own decision, his own fault.
He says that they have to "prove" themselves, that they need to show to the world that they can continue without him.
Well, off course they do! The fact is they proved it to the world two and a half years ago.. Jeez man..

[snapple]

He should just not answer those questions. Simple as that.

I don't think he has your infinite wisdom.


rumborak

[TheGreatPretender]

Yikes... 

When did this thread become yet another discussion of "Will DT ever play _______ (insert song here written by ____ [insert former band member here]) live post-____(insert former band member here)?"

It became that when someone said that DT will never play ACOS because it's Portnoy's song.

[hefdaddy42]

Didn't they play Disappear last tour?

No.  It's only been played twice ever, both on the TOT tour:

1) the awesome NY show
2) Budokan

[Viking of the Sagas]

ACOS deserves to be replayed, but then again it's Portnoy's own angst story. ACOS won't be the same without Portnoy playing the drums. If they do ACOS, it must be with Portnoy.

I suppose Mangini would do it fine as well.

[The Boomr]

As much as I want DT to be playing lots of those old Portnoy songs (OMG ACOS), because lots of them are my favorites, I completely understand and respect why they might not play some of them. I know that MP only wrote the lyrics, and the music is "Dream Theater's," but would you be comfortable playing a huge epic that is all about your ex-band-member-of-25-years' mother dying when he was a kid?

[theseoafs]

ACOS deserves to be replayed, but then again it's Portnoy's own angst story. ACOS won't be the same without Portnoy playing the drums. If they do ACOS, it must be with Portnoy.

I suppose Mangini would do it fine as well.

What does this mean?  Mangini is perfectly capable of playing anything Portnoy has played.  They have already played songs that are "personal" to MP live.

[Viking of the Sagas]

It means that ACOS needs Portnoy to have the traditional mindset and emotional feedback, that's all.

[adamack]

I miss MP, as he was my favorite personality in DT, one of my personal heroes, and my favorite drummer of all time.

HOWEVER, I am actually glad that things happened the way they did. Here's why:

A little brief background on my feelings....

When the news dropped of MP leaving DT, I must admit that I thought to myself, "it's over."

I've always felt like MP had been the "adhesive" that kept DT, as a band, an entity, and as a business, together.

His OCD proved to be a valuable disorder, in that it forced him to be a work horse and be constantly working, never wasting any time.  The guy never stops, and most importantly he has fun doing it!

I also felt that he was the "coolest" member of DT, in a sense that he brought a very colorful personality to the band with his extensive knowledge, his basketball jerseys, and his respect for modern metal, movies, TV shows, etc. And he is great in interviews! Of course all of these things seem petty, and they aren't requirements by any stretch, but they added another dimension to DT that broke the typical prog band member mold, and made the band even more interesting.

For some reason, I thought that after he left, DT would gradually start to wind down. I thought that albums would stop coming out every 2 years like clockwork, and I thought the band would begin showing their age.

I WAS TOTALLY WRONG.

I know that ADToE has its mixed reviews, but to me, the album was nothing short of incredible.

MP's last album, BCaSL, was good, but I put ADToE a solid 2-3 spots higher on my favorite DT albums list.

I honestly believe that deep inside, DT felt as if it had something to prove after the loss of MP. It was this motivation that led them to create an amazing album, and against so many expectations, continue making the most amazing music in the world without MP.

As for MM, I must admit that at first I wasn't too fond of him. I can't put a finger on why, but it was probably because MP was (and still is) my favorite musician, and I felt that nobody could come close to replacing him.

But now, I think MM is an awesome guy, and is only getting better and better as DT's drummer.

So overall, I never in a million years thought I would be saying this, but based upon DT's current track record so far with MM, I couldn't be happier with how things are shaping up.

*Raises glass to DT*

[Podaar]

*informative well written post*

Please never stop posting at this site. Mmmmkay?! 

[bosk1]

As much as I want DT to be playing lots of those old Portnoy songs (OMG ACOS), because lots of them are my favorites, I completely understand and respect why they might not play some of them. I know that MP only wrote the lyrics, and the music is "Dream Theater's," but would you be comfortable playing a huge epic that is all about your ex-band-member-of-25-years' mother dying when he was a kid?

No, because:
1.  They've played it a bunch of times before
2.  It is a huge fan favorite
3.  The lyrics are poetic and nonliteral, so they can be a bit more universal than Mike's specific situation
4.  The events happened a LONG time ago
5.  I honestly doubt Mike would care in the slightest if they played it

In contrast, take a song like The Best Of Times.  Yeah, it's just as personal, if not moreso.  But:
1.  It has never been played before
2.  It doesn't have any real history with the fans at all, so it isn't quite the "fixture" in DT history that ACOS is
3.  The lyrics are very literal and specific, which would make them hard to identify with outside of the very specific context of Mike losing his dad.
4.  The events are fairly recent and fresh
5.  If I had to guess, I think Mike would prefer that this not be played

I can honestly say that I don't think they would have any problem whatsoever playing ACOS.

[The Boomr]

No, because:
1.  They've played it a bunch of times before
2.  It is a huge fan favorite
3.  The lyrics are poetic and nonliteral, so they can be a bit more universal than Mike's specific situation
4.  The events happened a LONG time ago
5.  I honestly doubt Mike would care in the slightest if they played it

In contrast, take a song like The Best Of Times.  Yeah, it's just as personal, if not moreso.  But:
1.  It has never been played before
2.  It doesn't have any real history with the fans at all, so it isn't quite the "fixture" in DT history that ACOS is
3.  The lyrics are very literal and specific, which would make them hard to identify with outside of the very specific context of Mike losing his dad.
4.  The events are fairly recent and fresh
5.  If I had to guess, I think Mike would prefer that this not be played

I can honestly say that I don't think they would have any problem whatsoever playing ACOS.

Bosk, every time you post somewhere, the red squares under your name make me feel like you're automatically angry about everything even though I know you're not (I hope...??)

Those are all good points. I completely agree about TBOT. And I can't speak for the guys in DT, obviously, about their feelings on ACOS. You may be right, that they'd have no problem playing it. On the other hand though, while many fans and more casual listeners probably don't even know what the song is about, making it a non-issue for them, the band members do know what it's about, so that's why I think it's possible they wouldn't want to play it without Mike.

I'm only basing this on my own opinion. I feel that if I were in their position, I wouldn't want to play it out of respect/other emotions/things. But that's only me.

I would still love it if they played it, anyway

[TheGreatPretender]

I honestly don't think the band would mind playing the song. At least not on the count of MP or anything. But you know what I just realized? I don't really care that much if they play it live or not. I mean, yes, this song is a staple of DT history, and one of their most defining songs, but... I don't know. I'm kind of over it. I mean, it's over 20 minutes long. I'd rather hear them play two 10 minute songs like Learning To Live, Home, ITPOE1, or something else of the sort.

[Ytsejammin]

I know this is now a SDV thread but , I think we already talked about this 3-4 weeks ago. Still , a worthwhile topic.