Would you like to see Portnoy back in Dream theater?

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Whoever is correct about Octavarium in saying certain songs sound too much like DT doing U2 or Muse etc. This was one of the main problems though I appreciated MP's effort to explore new influences. However, the reason why those songs turned out to be atrocious is because DT is not U2, and DT is not a bad that writes music in same style. As a result it sounded like a band trying to write in a style they weren't very good in. Similarly, I don't think U2 would fare well writing progressive metal.

When one of the members of the band comes out and says I Walk Beside you was passed around to commercial radio for airplay, in the way that this tune presumably was, you know something has gone terribly wrong.

I also concur with what Kirk said about Octavarium in terms of production.

Why is it a bad thing that I Walk Beside you was passed around to radio stations?

Passing a song onto a radio station on its face isn't bad. It was the logical conclusion of writing a song of this type.

Anyway, I hope this never happens again in the Mangini era.

[The Boomr]

Whoever is correct about Octavarium in saying certain songs sound too much like DT doing U2 or Muse etc. This was one of the main problems though I appreciated MP's effort to explore new influences. However, the reason why those songs turned out to be atrocious is because DT is not U2, and DT is not a bad that writes music in same style. As a result it sounded like a band trying to write in a style they weren't very good in. Similarly, I don't think U2 would fare well writing progressive metal.

When one of the members of the band comes out and says I Walk Beside you was passed around to commercial radio for airplay, in the way that this tune presumably was, you know something has gone terribly wrong.

I also concur with what Kirk said about Octavarium in terms of production.

Why is it a bad thing that I Walk Beside you was passed around to radio stations?

Passing a song onto a radio station on its face isn't bad. It was the logical conclusion of writing a song of this type.

Anyway, I hope this never happens again in the Mangini era.

Well, I Walk Beside You has a very deep connection for me, personally, and even previous to making that connection, and after it's become less significant, I still find it to be a great song. I simply don't care that it's radio-friendly, or even that it was intended that way.

[Kotowboy]

Despite all of that, based on the way ADTOE sounded and on what I'm hearing about the new single and how it sounds.....I'm starting to wonder if Dream Theater will ever put out another recording that sounds as good as Octavarium does on a sonic level?  I mean, it's far from perfect, but Octavarium is pure sonic bliss compared to the wet-blanket-over-speakers sound of ADTOE.


Surely a band this far along in their career has SOMEONE to help them sound good?

While I don't quite agree with you about ADTOE (I enjoyed the way everything sounded except the bass drums, and sometimes JP's solos sounded too small), I can firmly agree that it seems as if the band has not had any consistency whatsoever in the production of their albums, since 8VM. I've always tried to ignore the fact that it might be because MP and JP became the producers starting with SC, but with each new album, that does seem more and more to be the culprit :/

MP & JP became the producers with Scenes.

[The Boomr]

Despite all of that, based on the way ADTOE sounded and on what I'm hearing about the new single and how it sounds.....I'm starting to wonder if Dream Theater will ever put out another recording that sounds as good as Octavarium does on a sonic level?  I mean, it's far from perfect, but Octavarium is pure sonic bliss compared to the wet-blanket-over-speakers sound of ADTOE.


Surely a band this far along in their career has SOMEONE to help them sound good?

While I don't quite agree with you about ADTOE (I enjoyed the way everything sounded except the bass drums, and sometimes JP's solos sounded too small), I can firmly agree that it seems as if the band has not had any consistency whatsoever in the production of their albums, since 8VM. I've always tried to ignore the fact that it might be because MP and JP became the producers starting with SC, but with each new album, that does seem more and more to be the culprit :/

MP & JP became the producers with Scenes.

Was it that they became the Sole producers starting with SC? I could swear they say something like that on the special edition DVD.

[BlobVanDam]

Was it that they became the Sole producers starting with SC? I could swear they say something like that on the special edition DVD.

They've been sole producers since SFAM. They back covers say produced by Mike Portnoy / John Petrucci for all of them.

[hefdaddy42]

I don't think we'll ever see Glass Prison again. I know we won't see ACoS.

No reason to think this.  I fully expect to see both songs again, hopefully on the upcoming tour.

[adastra]

I don't think we'll ever see Glass Prison again. I know we won't see ACoS.

No reason to think this.  I fully expect to see both songs again, hopefully on the upcoming tour.

ACoS without Portnoy   

[hefdaddy42]

I don't think we'll ever see Glass Prison again. I know we won't see ACoS.

No reason to think this.  I fully expect to see both songs again, hopefully on the upcoming tour.

ACoS without Portnoy   

Why the sad face?  I would love to hear Mangini play on that song.  Mainly because it would mean we would finally hear that song again.

[adastra]

I don't think we'll ever see Glass Prison again. I know we won't see ACoS.

No reason to think this.  I fully expect to see both songs again, hopefully on the upcoming tour.

ACoS without Portnoy   

Why the sad face?  I would love to hear Mangini play on that song.  Mainly because it would mean we would finally hear that song again.

I think it is sad to hear that song without Portnoy on drums ._.  I always had this feeling like it was "his masterpiece".

[TheGreatPretender]

I think it is sad to hear that song without Portnoy on drums ._.  I always had this feeling like it was "his masterpiece".

He may have wrote the lyrics, but it's not like he wrote the music all by himself, is it?

[adastra]

I think it is sad to hear that song without Portnoy on drums ._.  I always had this feeling like it was "his masterpiece".

He may have wrote the lyrics, but it's not like he wrote the music all by himself, is it?

propably not.

[hefdaddy42]

I think it is sad to hear that song without Portnoy on drums ._.  I always had this feeling like it was "his masterpiece".

He may have wrote the lyrics, but it's not like he wrote the music all by himself, is it?

propably not.

  Definitely not.

[TheGreatPretender]

Right, so I wouldn't call it MP's masterpiece by a long shot. A Change Of Seasons belongs to the entirety of Dream Theater. I think it's one of the songs that defines the band, and there's no reason to say it belongs to MP. It's not Space-Dye Vest.

[adastra]

Right, so I wouldn't call it MP's masterpiece by a long shot. A Change Of Seasons belongs to the entirety of Dream Theater. I think it's one of the songs that defines the band, and there's no reason to say it belongs to MP. It's not Space-Dye Vest.

Like i said, it has always felt like that for me.  I'm not saying that it is. I'm sorry...  If you wanted me to feel bad, you were succesful. 

[TheGreatPretender]

Geez... I'm sorry. There there. It's okay, it's okay. It's Portnoy's song, okay? .... Wanna go out for ice cream?

[adastra]

Geez... I'm sorry. There there. It's okay, it's okay. It's Portnoy's song, okay? .... Wanna go out for ice cream?

It's okay    Nef was talking about something called "Ice cold coffee" couple days back .. Can I have one of those?

[wolven74]

Right, so I wouldn't call it MP's masterpiece by a long shot. A Change Of Seasons belongs to the entirety of Dream Theater. I think it's one of the songs that defines the band, and there's no reason to say it belongs to MP. It's not Space-Dye Vest.

Call me dense if you must, but I don't get this. Don't all songs written in the band's career belong to the band? 

[TheGreatPretender]

It's okay    Nef was talking about something called "Ice cold coffee" couple days back .. Can I have one of those?

No, you'll be hyper all night.

Call me dense if you must, but I don't get this. Don't all songs written in the band's career belong to the band? 

Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying, they shouldn't feel like any of the songs are off limits just because the lyrics were personal to one of the former members.
But they have said in the past that Space-Dye Vest is pretty much a Kevin Moore song, and they wouldn't feel right playing it live.

[adastra]

It's okay    Nef was talking about something called "Ice cold coffee" couple days back .. Can I have one of those?

No, you'll be hyper all night.

Call me dense if you must, but I don't get this. Don't all songs written in the band's career belong to the band? 

Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying, they shouldn't feel like any of the songs are off limits just because the lyrics were personal to one of the former members.
But they have said in the past that Space-Dye Vest is pretty much a Kevin Moore song, and they wouldn't feel right playing it live.

For me it's almost the same with Pink Floyd - The Wall ..  Wasn't Roger Waters the mastermind behind that recording? IMO It would feel weird to perform it without him .

[wolven74]

Didn't JLB and Jordan do it once? Might not be a whole band thing, but there's video of James and Jordan playing it to a small group.

[TheGreatPretender]

Didn't JLB and Jordan do it once? Might not be a whole band thing, but there's video of James and Jordan playing it to a small group.

Yeah, but that's why it might have been different. Because it's not like, "We're Dream Theater and this is our song, bitch." It was pretty much just the vocalist from that particular line up, and Jordan could have performed it as an homage to Kevin Moore more than "A Dream Theater Song."
I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

[aprilethereal]

I agree with that, although that's a bit sad as well, because seeing SDV live would be a dream come true.

[TheGreatPretender]

I agree with that, although that's a bit sad as well, because seeing SDV live would be a dream come true.

I wish they had professionally recorded that JR & JLB concert. That would've been an excellent DVD addition to Ytsejam Records.

[MoraWintersoul]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

[BlobVanDam]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

I really hope time will prove that opinion right. Blech. Sorry.

[TheGreatPretender]

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

It's been almost 20 years since Awake, and even back in MP days, when he rotated set lists, it didn't happen. I highly doubt it will now.

[MoraWintersoul]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

I really hope time will prove that opinion right. Blech. Sorry.

Yeah I know luckily you live upside-down so that counts as a +1 to my opinion in this Universe, which means fate will grant me the upper hand

[BlobVanDam]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

I really hope time will prove that opinion right. Blech. Sorry.

Yeah I know luckily you live upside-down so that counts as a +1 to my opinion in this Universe, which means fate will grant me the upper hand

Nuh uh, the way it works is that my time zone is before yours, so my wishes get there first and win the race! You'll never catch up.

[wasteland]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

I really hope time will prove that opinion right. Blech. Sorry.

Yeah I know luckily you live upside-down so that counts as a +1 to my opinion in this Universe, which means fate will grant me the upper hand

Nuh uh, the way it works is that my time zone is before yours, so my wishes get there first and win the race! You'll never catch up.

Nah, she's right. Opinions are like vectors and yours is opposite to hers, but you are also opposite to her in both frame of references, so you are only succeeding in bringing SDV closer and closer to existence once again.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

I really hope time will prove this opinion wrong

I really hope time will prove that opinion right. Blech. Sorry.

Yeah I know luckily you live upside-down so that counts as a +1 to my opinion in this Universe, which means fate will grant me the upper hand

Nuh uh, the way it works is that my time zone is before yours, so my wishes get there first and win the race! You'll never catch up.

Nah, she's right. Opinions are like vectors and yours is opposite to hers, but you are also opposite to her in both frame of references, so you are only succeeding in bringing SDV closer and closer to existence once again.

My vector is only opposite from her frame of reference, not both. And my vector has a greater magnitude because I'm more especially special. So I'm suppressing SDV further and further into the past, which is the only place it belongs!

[MoraWintersoul]

I'M A GHOST AND I HAVE MAGICAL POWERS

[Zydar]

My vector is only opposite from her frame of reference...

I love it when you talk nerd

[rumborak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phl2d4jeN90&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[aprilethereal]

Stop vectoring hectoring each other!

[?]

I don't know, I mean, I wasn't there, so I don't know how they decided to do it, but I'm pretty sure that if it was the whole band, and JP had any say in it, he wouldn't have wanted to perform it.

MP was the only one who was vocally opposed to the idea of playing the song without Kevin, so I don't think it's impossible now. JP was the one to point out that Anna Lee wasn't 100% Derek's song, so maybe he thinks every DT song belongs to the whole band, no matter who wrote it. That said, I'm not holding my breath, although it's needless to say that hearing SDV live would make my life complete...