Final Fantasy Discussion Thread

[ehra]

There's no true understanding of the time compression storyline.....at all. It's been debated to death and when you put it all together - it makes no sense.

But people interpret things different, so perhaps it makes sense to you. To me, it doesn't. But suprisingly that doesn't take away the enjoyment of the game.

The Squall Is Dead theory works best when putting FFVIII into perspective. Using this theory, the orphanage storyling is actually quite interesting as is the rest of the game starting from Disc 2.

The reason the time compression thing can't be "understood" is because there was absolutely no explanation given to it. There's no way to look at any of the events going on and be able to go "well, we know X happened because of Y and thus Z scene explains A."  You either take the ending at face value and everyone got through it alright, or you don't and can make up any number of theories that can't be disproved because the whole thing has next to no explanation.

You're right that the time compression thing doesn't make sense; unfortunately, it's not in the good way.  For a game that does this sort of thing well (as in a game that gives players enough of information so they're not left wondering what something or someone is, but leaves enough unsaid that each person comes up with their own interpretation of a good number of things) I'd choose Earthbound.

[7StringedBeast]

Just dropping in to say how much I love FF VI.  Kefka made me so angry because he was so evil.  The way he killed all of Cyan's family.  Aghh that story always made me so angry/ sad.  Especially at the Ghost Train where Cyan has to say goodbye to his wife and kid.  That always made me really sad.  It still does thinking about it actually.

Anyways, this game is soooo good.  It's so well done and there are so many fun side things that happen.  Like the whole opera house stuff.  I think the story and the way all the characters tie together are really really well done.  This game isn't a nostalgia factor for me because I still take it as seriously as I did when I played it when I was younger.  This game has withheld the test of time ridiculously well for me.

I also like VII but I have not finished it.  So no real comment on it other than its pretty cool.

What really pissed me off was the scene with General Leo and where Kefka gets all the magicite. I was piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed!

Sweet. Thanks for the spoilers.

Spoilers?  The game is 15 years old and this is a thread about FF.  You can't really have spoilers for this game anymore.

[AcidLameLTE]

Believe it or not, not everyone has played every Final Fantasy.

Particularly when they were too young to own a SNES.

[ehra]

Well you knew from the first sentence of 7Stringed's post that he was going to be talking about FFVI. Should have skipped over it and any post  quoting it. 

[AcidLameLTE]

Well, I knew all the bits 7Stringed mentioned, it was more the bit I quoted from Elsydeon.

[Elsydeon]

oops I tried to keep it spoiler free and failed, sorry

[Rina]

Believe it or not, not everyone has played every Final Fantasy.

Particularly when they were too young to own a SNES.

-raises hand-  Although I did have a SNES for an extremely brief moment.

[7StringedBeast]

jeez at 22 years old, I feel old for some reason.  But really, if you havent played FF VI (III) DO IT.  It's such a good game.  I've only palyed FF II, VI, and VII myself.  Oh I've played FF I mystic quest too, but that game is so different I don't count it.

[AcidLameLTE]

That's the thing, I'm playing Final Fantasy VI right now

[7StringedBeast]

ohhhhhhhh hahahaha I see why you would object to spoilers then, although I've never thought about spoilers in video games.  The story is always coming second to the actual playing of the game to me.  I'm sure the info won't mess up the game for you.  I've beat that game a few times.  I like to play it every few years its that good to me. 

[NecessaryPain]

ohhhhhhhh hahahaha I see why you would object to spoilers then, although I've never thought about spoilers in video games.  The story is always coming second to the actual playing of the game to me.

In a storyline-progressive game, like an RPG etc. The storyline always comes first for me.

I'd be pissed if I knew Aeris blah blah blah blah blah blah. (FFVII)

But seriously, is that even a spoiler anymore?

[AcidLameLTE]

Someone ruined that particular spoiler for me just as he gave me the game to borrow >_>

[NecessaryPain]

Someone ruined that particular spoiler for me just as he gave me the game to borrow >_>

Now that would ruin the experience!

[AcidLameLTE]

I know

I had VIII ruined for me as well

IX and onwards were not be ruined for me though

[Elsydeon]

im willing to offer my first born son to you as an apology. we cool?

[AcidLameLTE]

It's cool man.

[NecessaryPain]

You're not missing out on much anyway.

Leo sucks.

[Elsydeon]

How dare you!!!!

[7StringedBeast]

Relm sucks.  She was the worst.  Strago sucked too.  Two pretty useless characters.

[NecessaryPain]

Relm sucks.  She was the worst.  Strago sucked too.  Two pretty useless characters.

Yeah.

The game had more going for it before the WoR (you'll know what that is soon)

It's a great game, but rough around the edges.

[7StringedBeast]

Relm sucks.  She was the worst.  Strago sucked too.  Two pretty useless characters.

Yeah.

The game had more going for it before the WoR (you'll know what that is soon)

It's a great game, but rough around the edges.

I wouldn't say rough around the edges, its just why spend the time to level up those 2 characters when there are soooo many other great characters.

[j]

Relm sucks.  She was the worst.  Strago sucked too.  Two pretty useless characters.

I thought Relm had the best magic stat of anybody in the game?  I still never used her anyway 'cause I hate kid characters in video games.

Strago wasn't bad either.  The only "bad" character was Umaro.  It was a shame, too, because the idea was cool.

-J

[7StringedBeast]

NO way umaro was awesome!!!  Rage ring plus blizzard orb.  He turns into a freaking beast.

[NecessaryPain]

I'm pretty sure Setzer was the most useless playable character in the game.

He doesn't excel in any category.

I mainly stuck with Locke, Celes, Cyan and Sabin.

Shadow died last time I played the game LOL.

[j]

Yeah I didn't use Setzer either, but apparently a lot of people like him.  Cyan was crap too.  He had arguably the best story/character development, but he was functionally shitty.  Having to wait for all his moves to charge up was a pain in the ass too.

And yeah, 7stringed, I liked Umaro too, but he's pretty worthless in practice.

-J

[Rina]

So I guess some characters get good background, bad usage, and vice vesa.

[AcidLameLTE]

Apparently, they're re-making V and VI for the 3DS

[Elsydeon]

If that's the case, I'll need to get a 3DS. How many times are they remaking VI?
Or does the version in Final Fantasy Anthology not count as a remake?

[NecessaryPain]

If that's the case, I'll need to get a 3DS. How many times are they remaking VI?
Or does the version in Final Fantasy Anthology not count as a remake?

Without the artwork and crappy FMV sequences, it's essentially the same game.

Even plays the same and has the same long-ass menu loading screen.

The battle screen actually takes longer on the PSX version as far as I can see.

[Elsydeon]

This should be good then, V and VI are really good games.

[Ultimetalhead]

Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?

[NecessaryPain]

Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?

I don't ever want to see an FFVII remake.

Ever.

Square don't have what it takes anymore. They will absolutely ruin the FFVII universe.

They already have infact. AC and CC were bad enough.

[ehra]

I have to admit, I'm really curious what the "Cloud's subconscious" section would look like with current graphics.

[Ultimetalhead]

Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?

I don't ever want to see an FFVII remake.

Ever.

Square don't have what it takes anymore. They will absolutely ruin the FFVII universe.

They already have infact. AC and CC were bad enough.

This is just ridiculous. The question isn't if Square "has it" anymore. The story was already written, the game is already DONE, the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that) and give the graphics the facelift of the millennium. AC and CC were spinoffs, but this is the exact same fucking game.

That and, how many times have they remade the first 6 games? Remember what terrible disasters they were that ruined their respective universes?

I have to admit, I'm really curious what the "Cloud's subconscious" section would look like with current graphics.

Dude, some of the scenes in that game are pretty breathtaking to begin with, but could you imagine what the ending would look like? Or the scene in Junon when Weapon attacks the harbor? Or Weapon himself?

Good lord, this game would redefine the word "amazing" if it had that kind of graphical power.

[ehra]

I wonder how they'd approach redoing the music.