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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ultimetalhead on July 26, 2009, 05:26:15 PM
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Hey, if Zelda gets one, then FF deserves one too. Almost every single FF game I've played is addictive and awesome. (With the exception of XII) Final Fantasy I, VII, and X are the ones that I've played, beaten, and thoroughly enjoyed. I just started VI and it's looking to shape up nicely as well.
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I picked 12 cause it's the only one I've played but it has probably the best battle system I've seen for an RPG game. Granted I'm not an RPG player in the slightest but I sunk way too many hours into it. Forgive me RPG traditionalists but the real-time type battle system >> turn based by a lot. Makes the game move so much more fluid. Plus I like actually seeing your enemies instead of always having random battles.
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I've clocked VIII a few times. Its extremely hard to find a copy of VII though, I really miss that game.
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No Tactics? :sadpanda:
I guess I'll go with 7, although 4 and 8 were damn good too. Never got around to playing 3 and 10 was good but I didn't like it as much as the others. Never played X-2 or anything after. And Final Fantasy Mystic Quest wasn't THAT bad.
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I picked 12 cause it's the only one I've played but it has probably the best battle system I've seen for an RPG game. Granted I'm not an RPG player in the slightest but I sunk way too many hours into it. Forgive me RPG traditionalists but the real-time type battle system >> turn based by a lot. Makes the game move so much more fluid. Plus I like actually seeing your enemies instead of always having random battles.
For me, the battle system is extremely weird. For 10 games they had the perfect battle system. (Sure they tweaked it over the years, but still.) And then they completely jumped ship and tried to redo it. It's the one reason I can't enjoy that game.
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xii is the best. i am playing it right now. look at my review in the "video games suck these days" thread. or something like that.
edit: the battle system owns in xii
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There are so many great final fantasy games to choose a favorite. My favorites are 6, 7, tactics, and 10.
I've got good feelings about 13 and Versus 13 too
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My favorite is VI. XII is a travesty, sorry XII fans :p
I've beaten VI-X, I've gotten to the final level in V and the last boss in X-2, but I could never beat it. I haven't gotten very far at all in 1, 2, or 12, 3 and 4 I got about halfway. I've also done the first few fights in TA and gotten maybe 1/4 of the way through T, but those games are stupidly hard and I don't have the energy for them :p
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The Final Fantasy games are some of the most exciting games out there. Final Fantasy VII is my favorite game of all time because of its storyline, the characters, the gameplay, etc.
And yes, a big thumbs up for the Tactics love here. I was addicted to that game for a couple of years.
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I'm completely with orcus on the battle system in XII. I don't mind the turn based stuff, but its kinda boring and frustrating. The thing I've always loved about the FF games is the stories, so never really cared about the gameplay, but XII still had a decent story, but was actually really fun to play. I spent a ridiculous number of hours playing that game and exploring the world!
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Definitely my favorite game series. I've played almost every Final Fantasy game there is (and every one in the numbered series), and although most hardcore fans will give me shit for this I must still say the best will be VII. It simply has the best storyline and interesting cast of characters in any game I've played :tup
Right behind VII is VI (Kefka is the greatest villain ever) and taking third in my eyes is a tie between both IV and IX (I've got a lot of memories connected to this one).
Of course, all of the others are classics as well, XII included :tup My only disappointments with XII are the battle system and the lack of characterization for most of the main characters until towards the climax.
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Gotta go with VI, although VII, VIII and X are amazing as well.
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This is by far my favorite series of games of all time. I've played VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, and XII
I would rank them:
VIII - My favorite system for leveling up your characters. I really enjoyed junctioning. The card game was addicting!
VII - Best story and characters out of all of them.
X - The Sphear Grid was a little simplistic and the story had some very cheesy moments but over all this is anther of my favorite all time games. I also think I'm the only person who actually enjoyed Blitzball. Although it was a bit easy once you got your team leveled up.
XII - I really didn't like most of the characters in this game. The storyline was poorly exctuted. However I think this one has had my favorite combat system. Plus I really enjoyed bountys.
IX - I just really didn't like this game all around. It's been to long for me to remember the specific reasons. Maybe it's time to give it another chance.
X-2 - You level up by getting better dresses? Then you put on a pop concert to raise everyone's spirits?
I couldn't finish IX or X-2 because i thought they were so bad. I'm also one of the few people who actually like FF VIII more than VII. I don't know what it is about it that I like so much more. But I've beaten it four times compared to the one or two times that all of the other FF games have been played.
My brother owns a Final Fantasy I and II collection and Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of cerberus that I really want to play. I'm also thinking about buying the other collection they put out so I can play V and VI.
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Dirge of Cerberus is terrible. Stay far away from that game.
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Only completed VII to X-2
Favourite is 10. Doesn't look assy like the PS1 games, battle system is fast and more fun.
No Tactics? :sadpanda:
Oh wait, that. Tactics.
X-2 is underrated. Dress spheres are a really cool implementation of the job system. Even if it is a bit corny. But you like Final Fantasy, what the fuck are you worrying about corny things for? Nerd.
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IX - I just really didn't like this game all around. It's been to long for me to remember the specific reasons. Maybe it's time to give it another chance.
Having to learn abilities off of your weapons was what kept me from liking that one.
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VI is by far the best. Great series though. I've played all of them over the years (except for II and III), starting with the original on my NES as a kid, and not one of them is a bad game.
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IV and VII are my favourite, I couldn't believe it when they redid III and IV for DS :laugh:
However... CHRONO TRIGGER KICKS FINAL FANTASY'S ARSE
*runs*
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That it does :hat
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Dirge of Cerberus is terrible. Stay far away from that game.
This. Average as.
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I am stuck on tyrant on final fantasy xii. now I am going to do some mindless leveling for hours...
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Now wait a minute, man, if I can beat Fafnir while near-blackout drunk you can sure as hell beat Tyrant no problem.
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I have them all except FFIII. FFX is my favorite. Great story, gameplay and side quests. The only thing I dislike about it is being held hostage by random battle encounters. Even though they can be turned off by a certain accessory later in the game, getting to that point can be very tedious. Still an awesome game.
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I have them all except FFIII. FFX is my favorite. Great story, gameplay and side quests. The only thing I dislike about it is being held hostage by random battle encounters. Even though they can be turned off by a certain accessory later in the game, getting to that point can be very tedious. Still an awesome game.
I think that's one reason why I love FF XII's combat system so much. It's not forced on you. You could run through the whole zone if you want to.
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Now wait a minute, man, if I can beat Fafnir while near-blackout drunk you can sure as hell beat Tyrant no problem.
that's not how it is. none of my weapons do any damage. I guess this is the way i die every time. i just don't understand.
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Dirge of Cerberus is terrible. Stay far away from that game.
This. Average as.
Just borrowed it from my brother and started it anyways. I think anything with FF in the title deserves at least a try.
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Dirge of Cerberus is terrible. Stay far away from that game.
This. Average as.
Just borrowed it from my brother and started it anyways. I think anything with FF in the title deserves at least a try.
As long as it's actually an RPG, yeah it does.
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My problem with XII is that if you work on it long enough, the game will fight your battles for you. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate (and so on, Kefka style) the gambit system. Goddamn.
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My problem with XII is that if you work on it long enough, the game will fight your battles for you. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate (and so on, Kefka style) the gambit system. Goddamn.
Other than setting to it attack whatever has the fewest hit points and for ranged characters attacking flying enemies I didn't really use gambits. I prefered to control all of my characters myself.
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Gambits are amazing for fighting some of the harder hunts. Not having to constantly do 'berserk, haste, protect' manually was a Godsend but I guess some people don't consider that fun and for some reason cheating. I mean if you can do that in this battle system efficiently by yourself more power to you but I can't see it being anything other than frustration. To me gambits allow a person to set as many or as little of the menial things you need to do in battle anyways ahead of time so you don't waste any time. Personally I don't see how manually selecting every action during a battle is particularly exciting in any case. Despite a rare few cases where actually enjoyed it (Golden Sun, Pokemon), turn based battle systems bore me to death.
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Gambits are amazing for fighting some of the harder hunts. Not having to constantly do 'berserk, haste, protect' manually was a Godsend but I guess some people don't consider that fun and for some reason cheating. I mean if you can do that in this battle system efficiently by yourself more power to you but I can't see it being anything other than frustration. To me gambits allow a person to set as many or as little of the menial things you need to do in battle anyways ahead of time so you don't waste any time. Personally I don't see how manually selecting every action during a battle is particularly exciting in any case. Despite a rare few cases where actually enjoyed it (Golden Sun, Pokemon), turn based battle systems bore me to death.
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IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
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IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
Get on VII and VIII rightquick
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IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
Get on VII and VIII rightquick
he just said he played the, before.
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IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
Get on VII and VIII rightquick
I've played 4 - 12 ;)
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IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
Get on VII and VIII rightquick
I've played 4 - 12 ;)
Okay. Wow how did i miss that.
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I really can't choose between them, they're all amazing in different ways, and my favorite one constantly change.
Like for many others, VII was not only my first Final Fantays but also my first RPG. However, I really don't think it's only nostalgy when I say that it is one of the best games ever made. It has its flaws, but the setting and the atmosphere in that game is something out of this world. I remember borrowing this game from a friend and being completely hooked. I also remember thinking how unique the story felt for its time.
*Minor FF VII spoiler ahead*
It could be my then lack of experiences with RPG's, but for example, finding out that old Shinra isn't the main villain but actually that he was killed off so early on and seeing a new, much more frightening enemy, really affected me and made the story something out of this world.
* End of Spoiler
I could probably write about the other FF's, but I'll do it later. :P
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Now wait a minute, man, if I can beat Fafnir while near-blackout drunk you can sure as hell beat Tyrant no problem.
that's not how it is. none of my weapons do any damage. I guess this is the way i die every time. i just don't understand.
You must be confused. Use Blizzaga!
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the last boss in X-2, but I could never beat it.
Seriously?! I thought X-2 was the easiest Final Fantasy game I've ever played.
IX is the best game ever made. I've only played IV - XII, though.
This man speaks the truth. I've never put as many hours into a game as I have done with IX.
However... CHRONO TRIGGER KICKS FINAL FANTASY'S ARSE
IT'S TOO SHORT.
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@Lynxo: Yeah that was definitely what amazed me about FF7 the first time I played it, the way you thought the story was going one way, but then it got bigger and bigger with so many twists and turns. Incredible stuff!
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I have only played through half of III on SNES, it was epic.
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@Lynxo: Yeah that was definitely what amazed me about FF7 the first time I played it, the way you thought the story was going one way, but then it got bigger and bigger with so many twists and turns. Incredible stuff!
Yeah. The whole Avalanche and reactor exploding stuff was great and exciting, but as you played through the game, many incredible and exciting things unfolded and I was like "Holy crap! This is the best video game story ever!" I was right.
I also love FF8's story for its love stuff because I love romance. Now that I think about it, FF8 might be the game I have played the most in my whole life (that does not include games like Age of Empires, Warcraft or Diablo heh)
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the last boss in X-2, but I could never beat it.
Seriously?! I thought X-2 was the easiest Final Fantasy game I've ever played.
Try beating the final boss at level 20.
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By the way, I hate FFX2 with such a passion...It's like a bad movie sequel. Alright, the game was born out of love and the final glimpse of Tidus surviving, but it should have been much better if they left it that way. Leaving it to the imagination of the player to decipher what was to happen next. Not a quest of 3 womangs in the name of justice, magic, truth and love to find Yuna's love, dammit.
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I also love FF8's story for its love stuff because I love romance. Now that I think about it, FF8 might be the game I have played the most in my whole life (that does not include games like Age of Empires, Warcraft or Diablo heh)
You'd be doing yourself an injustice if you didn't go out and find a copy of Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete and Lunar 2: Eternal Blue right now.
I know exactly what you mean about FF8. It's also what I loved/hated in 7. You know the romance is there but it just never happens, which left me a little unsatisfied with the ending at first but overall it gives the story a lot more "oomph".
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By the way, I hate FFX2 with such a passion...It's like a bad movie sequel. Alright, the game was born out of love and the final glimpse of Tidus surviving, but it should have been much better if they left it that way. Leaving it to the imagination of the player to decipher what was to happen next. Not a quest of 3 womangs in the name of justice, magic, truth and love to find Yuna's love, dammit.
And wearing creepy clothing for characters in a game. Also, wtf was with that mission where you had to give that woman a back rub? My parents were in the room when I was doing that mission :|
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IV is the only one I've really played and beaten (a couple of times). And it is awesome. And I love the fucking music.
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Final Fantasy VIII was the second FF I played, and I thourougly enjoyed it for what it was. It was a lot different but it was amazing in its own way. And even to this day I find myself faschinated by the risks Square (later Square-Enix) continue to take with the series, always going in new directions and never building of each other. I think that's what I like about this series so much and why it's so interesting watching all the discussions.
Anyway, I remember really connecting with Squall and the story around it, perhaps because I was a shy teenager myself back then. I've always been interested in stories about self-discovery and love. However, what kind of brought down the game was the battle system, which just became tedious after a while. I mean, it's perfectably playable, but there's lots of other games out there that does it better.
Something I've yet to mention about any of the games so far btw is the amazing soundtracks they both contain. Especially the moody piano pieces. Man, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes, and I love playing them myself on the piano. So much raw emotion it's amazing...
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still can't fucking beat tyrant. I am closer, but no cigar. >=G
lol, i have 100,000 gil, but nothing to spend it on.
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I'm about to start XII. I've already played the sequel to XII, and loved it, so I guess plot twists aren't going to catch me off guard too often.
Personally, out of the main series I really enjoyed the plot and weapon skill building in II, but I have only played five of the games: I - IV, VII. I may have played more spinoffs than main series.
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fuck. i had tyrant down to like 20% health and i died. motherfucker.
EDIT: YES. I STILL HAVE PENELO! i had no idea. i just used an elixor, so what should i do, should i summon mateus, or should i try to do a long quickening. help me here dtf. what do i do?!
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Now wait a minute, man, if I can beat Fafnir while near-blackout drunk you can sure as hell beat Tyrant no problem.
that's not how it is. none of my weapons do any damage. I guess this is the way i die every time. i just don't understand.
You must be confused. Use Blizzaga!
this isn't who i am!
[i don't have blizzaga]
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lol/ i tried summoning mateus. i died before she even appeared.
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I just started FF I. I'm enjoying it a lot so far. Although I think it's silly that in order to revive someone in your party you need to go to town and pay money to do it.
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Just be glad it's not a 10 minute wait and costs 5,000 gold in diamonds.
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I've played 2-4 6-10, and IX is the best!
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I've played 2-4 6-10, and IX is the best!
your avatar cracks me up
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I've played 2-4 6-10, and IX is the best!
YESS.
I think you, sonatafanica and I should start a club.
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I've played 2-4 6-10, and IX is the best!
YESS.
I think you, sonatafanica and I should start a club.
DEAL!!! don't know exactly what this club is, or what the hell it'll do but I'M DOWN!!!
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Neither do I but we should probably make it about Final Fantasy IX or something.
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Neither do I but we should probably make it about Final Fantasy IX or something.
Ok, how bout, YOU ORGANIZE AND DO EVERYTHING TO GET IT STARTED, and I'll finish eating my corn and play some more COD 4, mkay?
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It's done. You just don't know it.
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touché
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I think IX is second best, do I get to be in the club? :neverusethis:
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I dunno. It's pretty exclusive.
We don't just let anybody in, except you.
Welcome to the club.
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I dunno. It's pretty exclusive.
We don't just let anybody in, except you.
Welcome to the club.
Although i got my eye on you boy. Your place in our club's council is hanging by a thread, ya hear?
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I think IX is the second worst (out of the ones that I've played). What do I win?
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I think IX is the second worst (out of the ones that I've played). What do I win?
An all expense paid trip to re-education camp for people who don't think 9 is at least 2nd best
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I dunno. It's pretty exclusive.
We don't just let anybody in, except you.
Welcome to the club.
Although i got my eye on you boy. Your place in our club's council is hanging by a thread, ya hear?
It's weird to think Wakka is voiced by the same guy who does the voice for Bender and Marcus Fenix.
I think IX is the second worst (out of the ones that I've played). What do I win?
Death.
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FFVI and FFVII are 2 of the best games ever made, bar none.
I'd go as far to say FFVII was the most revolutionary game of all time. And it's my personal favourite game. (for many reasons)
FFVIII is also fantastic. FFIX is great, but I find on the decline after you hit disc 3.
FFX is another masterpiece and it's the last 'great' RPG I finished.
Still not finished FFXII, but I did get quite far. Great game, but lacks character development - big time.
I am still yet to play a video game that impresses me more than FFVII. I doubt it will ever happen.
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Neither do I but we should probably make it about Final Fantasy IX or something.
Ok, how bout, YOU ORGANIZE AND DO EVERYTHING TO GET IT STARTED, and I'll finish eating my corn and play some more COD 4, mkay?
:lol I think you might be my favourite recent new user!
And FFIX is indeed the second best game, behind VII.
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I don't get why IX is held in such high regard. Too many things about it annoyed me and i didn't really like the story/ characters very much. Then again, I also like VIII more than VII. I don't know why. I recognize the impact VII had on the genera and it's much more well thought out story and characters but I've always had more fun playing VIII.
Still not finished FFXII, but I did get quite far. Great game, but lacks character development - big time.
You mean like how the main character really has no reason to be part of the plot line other than he didn't want to get left behind?
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I want to play through FFIX again! I ARE JOINING THE CLUB RITE NAO KTHXBI
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I don't get why IX is held in such high regard. Too many things about it annoyed me and i didn't really like the story/ characters very much. Then again, I also like VIII more than VII. I don't know why. I recognize the impact VII had on the genera and it's much more well thought out story and characters but I've always had more fun playing VIII.
Kuja is an awesome villain and would probably be my favorite if not for his flamboyant style of dress, I like the story, I like the skill system, and it has a cool setting.
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The skill system was why I never got past three hours into the game. Once I realized I had 3 or 4 different swords for the main monkey dude but I was still using either the starter weapon or the one right after because I still hadn't learned the skill off of it.
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I don't get why IX is held in such high regard. Too many things about it annoyed me and i didn't really like the story/ characters very much. Then again, I also like VIII more than VII. I don't know why. I recognize the impact VII had on the genera and it's much more well thought out story and characters but I've always had more fun playing VIII.
VIII is my least favourite FF out of the more recent ones (Playstation 1 and later) :neverusethis:
I don't get why IX is held in such high regard. Too many things about it annoyed me and i didn't really like the story/ characters very much. Then again, I also like VIII more than VII. I don't know why. I recognize the impact VII had on the genera and it's much more well thought out story and characters but I've always had more fun playing VIII.
Kuja is an awesome villain and would probably be my favorite if not for his flamboyant style of dress, I like the story, I like the skill system, and it has a cool setting.
Don't forget the awesome music.
I want to play through FFIX again! I ARE JOINING THE CLUB RITE NAO KTHXBI
YESSS.
The skill system was why I never got past three hours into the game. Once I realized I had 3 or 4 different swords for the main monkey dude but I was still using either the starter weapon or the one right after because I still hadn't learned the skill off of it.
The skill system was awesome! I love micro managing stuff like that. Particularly when I got all my characters to learn auto-regen and it made the game insanely easy :neverusethis:
You could also always find those little things that asked for ore or whatever and they gave you a lot of ability points or whatever they were called.
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I don't get why IX is held in such high regard. Too many things about it annoyed me and i didn't really like the story/ characters very much. Then again, I also like VIII more than VII. I don't know why. I recognize the impact VII had on the genera and it's much more well thought out story and characters but I've always had more fun playing VIII.
Still not finished FFXII, but I did get quite far. Great game, but lacks character development - big time.
You mean like how the main character really has no reason to be part of the plot line other than he didn't want to get left behind?
Yeah man, it just doesn't make sense does it?
It's got some cool characters like Basch and Balthier but in terms of developing their stories...it's non existant.
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So, are we creating the FFIX club thread? I think we should.
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:lol I think you might be my favourite recent new user!
And FFIX is indeed the second best game, behind VII.
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Almost my favorite post except for the last part. Oh well, Cloud was a pretty big badass, but not nearly as awesome as Zidane nor Vivi.
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Can we all agree that Vaan is the biggest pussy in terms of main characters?
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Can we all agree that Vaan is the biggest pussy in terms of main characters?
Yeah. No doubt.
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Can we all agree that Vaan is the biggest pussy in terms of main characters?
Deal. Cloud, Zidane and Squall, were the pinacle of badassery for the Final Fantasies
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What about Auron?!
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Auron was pretty badass, but The Flaming Amaranth was a bit more badass. He stole shit and didn't afraid of anything.
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I was talking main people. Auron/Flaming Arrant had badass in their veins, they just weren't main characters.
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Yeah. The main characters usually have friends that have several personalities. Auron/Amaranth/Zell were a couple of the badass ones.
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:lol I think you might be my favourite recent new user!
And FFIX is indeed the second best game, behind VII.
Almost my favorite post except for the last part. Oh well, Cloud was a pretty big badass, but not nearly as awesome as Zidane nor Vivi.
Quotefail!
I'll join the FFIX club! As I said, I slightly prefer VII because it was the game that had by far the biggest impact on me as a gamer, but IX is also totally awesome and, to be honest, in many ways is extremely similar to VII (in all the good aspects anyway :D )
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And FFIX is indeed the second best game, behind VI.
Fixed. :biggrin:
But I love VII (it would be third on my list), and I can't argue that it isn't easily the most revolutionary game in the series, and one of the all-time greats in this regard. Still, I feel like VI is closer to flawless, has aged better for me, and did a lot of other things better (yeah that's kinda lame, but I don't have time to elaborate right now :P). Although it is very hard for me to admit, nostalgia is likely a factor in this opinion. :lol
IX is unbelievable; my only complaint is that the gameplay could have used some tweaks. VIII and X have great stories, but also have gameplay issues, and to a greater degree than IX. This particularly goes for X, which I find to be highly overrated, in spite of a good plot.
I won't comment on the older games, since nobody here seems to care much about them. :lol
-J
EDIT: There are a lot of Roman numerals in this post.
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Meh, the story in VIII was quite weak I thought. Squall was a bit of a loser and kind of annoying, most of the other characters were largely unmemorable, and bits of the story didn't make much sense. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game, and was very engrossing, but compared to the majority of FF games it wasn't that great.
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Meh, the story in VIII was quite weak I thought. Squall was a bit of a loser and kind of annoying, most of the other characters were largely unmemorable, and bits of the story didn't make much sense. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game, and was very engrossing, but compared to the majority of FF games it wasn't that great.
You think the whole past/present/future thing is weak? I think of FFVIII's story as one big mixing pot. There are a lot of different elements thrown in, and I did think some of the characters were memorable. Selphie and trains, for example :lol
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VIII is dull.
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FUCK YEAH! I JUST KICKED TYRANT'S ASS!!!
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Meh, the story in VIII was quite weak I thought. Squall was a bit of a loser and kind of annoying, most of the other characters were largely unmemorable, and bits of the story didn't make much sense. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game, and was very engrossing, but compared to the majority of FF games it wasn't that great.
You think the whole past/present/future thing is weak? I think of FFVIII's story as one big mixing pot. There are a lot of different elements thrown in, and I did think some of the characters were memorable. Selphie and trains, for example :lol
No, that past/present/future connection was really cool and by far my favourite part of the overall plot. Just throughout there was so much irrelevant stuff, and the story never really went anywhere. It just kinda ended, and then suddenly everyone was happy. I didn't feel the emotion of finishing like I did with the other games, especially, VI, VII, IX and X.
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I'm watching "Push" and marvelling at what a perfect 'Rinoa' Camilla Belle would make in a FFVIII film.
(https://letrasx24.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/push_movie_image_camilla_belle_1.jpg)
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Meh, the story in VIII was quite weak I thought. Squall was a bit of a loser and kind of annoying, most of the other characters were largely unmemorable, and bits of the story didn't make much sense. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game, and was very engrossing, but compared to the majority of FF games it wasn't that great.
I think a big thing was that, after 7, it was nice to have a game that had a happy ending that actually resolved the stories and didn't end with just a big question mark.
The only real complaint I had was how little sense Ultimacia (or however your spell her name) herself made.
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Meh, the story in VIII was quite weak I thought. Squall was a bit of a loser and kind of annoying, most of the other characters were largely unmemorable, and bits of the story didn't make much sense. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game, and was very engrossing, but compared to the majority of FF games it wasn't that great.
VIII's story had its weak points, but I really enjoyed it overall. It seems like there were some plot pacing issues throughout the game though, which detracted from it a bit for me. XII also has this problem, to go along with having a relatively weak story; luckily, the gameplay makes up for it IMO.
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VII was pretty cool, I didn't like X much, I was a bit too old/generic, III was a huge improvement over I, and IV is my favorite. I haven't played any of the others.
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For me, picking my favorite was really between VII and X. VII was the very first one I played, and everything about it just blew me away. The complex, multi-layered story, the active-time battle system, the cast. X was amazing as well, and the ending was one of the most emotional things I've witnessed in a game, period. As far as the characters go in X, I liked Yuna and Auron. Tidus, I'm kind of indifferent about. He's kind of a pussy. Lulu and Wakka were both somewhat annoying, and Rikku was another one that I just didn't really care about. The final battle (where you can actually lose) was extremely epic.
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I just got a Playstation Store update and Dissidia Final Fantasy is now available for pre-order on PSP. It looks pretty cool. You can choose to play as your favorite characters from the original FF up through FFX. Pre-order ships 8/25. Check it out.
https://na.square-enix.com/dissidia/
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I just got a Playstation Store update and Dissidia Final Fantasy is now available for pre-order on PSP. It looks pretty cool. You can choose to play as your favorite characters from the original FF up through FFX. Pre-order ships 8/25. Check it out.
https://na.square-enix.com/dissidia/
It looks pretty cool. Is it a fighting game?
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I just got a Playstation Store update and Dissidia Final Fantasy is now available for pre-order on PSP. It looks pretty cool. You can choose to play as your favorite characters from the original FF up through FFX. Pre-order ships 8/25. Check it out.
https://na.square-enix.com/dissidia/
It looks pretty cool. Is it a fighting game?
Yeah, it says Action RPG. Not sure if it's turn based or free form fighting.
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My friends have "had" the japanese version on their PSPs for a while now, and yeah it's a fighting game, but sort of like the DBZ fighting games the way your character fights is pretty customizable (like you can put in your own moves/equipment etc.) When you fight you have two meters/bars: Hp and Brave, similarly there are two kinds of attacks, HP attacks and Brave attacks. If I recall correctly, Brave acts as both defense and attack power for HP attacks, the goal being to get your opponent's Brave really low (and since brave attacks drain brave, get yours really high) and then tear into them with HP attacks. There is also the EX meter which is like limit break, fill it up and go into EX mode to get some sort of special ability.
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Aw that sucks, I always played Final Fantasy for the turn based. It was pretty much the only game, besides paper mario (the good ones, before the wii one), where I have some turn based adventure.
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Aw that sucks, I always played Final Fantasy for the turn based. It was pretty much the only game, besides paper mario (the good ones, before the wii one), where I have some turn based adventure.
This Fall Nippon will be getting a new DS Final Fantasy game that is supposed to be similar to the older incarnations of the series. Hopefully it comes to North America by early next year.
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I just finished Final Fantasy XII. I've played it before but never finished because of the mediocre story and awful characters. This time I powered through and found that as I went along the story got a bit better. It's still nothing compared to some of the other stories that previous Final Fantasies but it at least passed near the end. Plus near the end Vaan actually started doing something. For a while I wondered why Vaan and Penelo were even main characters since they never did anything or contributed to the plot line at all. I stuck through it though because the game play throughout the whole thing is fantastic. It's still turn based which I love but it adds so many new strategies by letting you walk around and incorporating area of effect. I'm glad I stuck with it because although it does take a while to get going it does pick up near the end.
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Hah. I actually started Final Fantasy VII yesterday on a PSX-emulator. This is my fourth or fifth time plowing through this game, and it's just as exciting as it was ten years ago! I can't believe how fantastic this game is! After ten minutes i've gotten used to the pre-2000 graphics, and im back to being 12 years old again! I love this game..
The story is amazing, the gameplay is fantastic, the graphics are not THAT outdated and all the little details still blows my mind..
Im not kidding - best game (IMO) EVER!
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FFVI and FFVII are 2 of the best games ever made, bar none.
Thanks to FFVII overshadowing it, not many people come to realize how absolutely genius FFVI really was. Easily one of the most influential RPGs of all time. VII is great as well, but VI is something that no game designer will ever be able to re-imagine. A seventeen minute long final boss theme, with a villain who was easily the most evil human in video game history, who actually destroyed the planet before you saved it? Perfection.
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FFVI and FFVII are 2 of the best games ever made, bar none.
Thanks to FFVII overshadowing it, not many people come to realize how absolutely genius FFVI really was. Easily one of the most influential RPGs of all time. VII is great as well, but VI is something that no game designer will ever be able to re-imagine. A seventeen minute long final boss theme, with a villain who was easily the most evil human in video game history, who actually destroyed the planet before you saved it? Perfection.
Amen, bro. FFVI is pure genius. The plot was great and creative, and it had subtleties and layers to it that are largely absent from most game plots today. The characters were memorable and unique, and like you said, the soundtrack is amazing. The gameplay may seem far outdated now, but back then it was still fairly new and innovative. My only gripe has ever been the somewhat low difficulty level, although I remember struggling at parts when I played it as a kid.
FFVII is a great game in its own right. But IMO, it's criminal that it gets so much recognition while its superior predecessor is quickly becoming forgotten.
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FINALLY got a hold of Final Fantasy VII, bought it from the Playstation Store and now rocking it on the PSP :metal
Sooooooo much awesome
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I also did that while traveling around to the UK prog nation dates :metal
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
Do you need a PS3 for that, or is it available on the PSP store?
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
Do you need a PS3 for that, or is it available on the PSP store?
Once someone buys it from the PSN store, you can put it on 5 different PSPs before it locks out.
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
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Well, I believe it was you who let me know how to get it. Thank you, you are a good, good man.
Do you need a PS3 for that, or is it available on the PSP store?
Once someone buys it from the PSN store, you can put it on 5 different PSPs before it locks out.
So, it's just downloaded to a memory stick?
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Nope. You plug the PSP into the PS3 via USB cable (the cable that you use to charge the controller will also plug into the PSP), go to the game you want to put on it and choose copy.
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Nope. You plug the PSP into the PS3 via USB cable (the cable that you use to charge the controller will also plug into the PSP), go to the game you want to put on it and choose copy.
Well, obviously I still need a PS3 for that, but when you copy, is it copied onto the memory stick of the PSP?
Need PS3 nao.
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Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
Yes, it is.
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In other news, I think some FFVII would be a lot of fun right now.
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I think the just made a way to download it to your PSP through the PS store online, I was gonna try it but its windows only.
More like windohs.
I think its called MediaGo
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I tried resisting, but I'm actually starting to get excited about FFXIII. Weird.
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The first disc of Final Fantasy VII had some very annoying sections. The marching minigame with the patriotic music playing the whole time was as annoying a minigame as I can remember in a Final Fantasy game. Almost everything surrounding the Golden Saucer was annoying.
The second and third discs were the amazing part of the game, but when I played it the first disc was more than two thirds of the game time. That's what gets me for the game, as good as it is in the end it has some of the most annoying sections within the entire final fantasy series, and you can't skip them.
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The crazy thing is that I loved pretty much everything in the Golden Saucer.
Something that seems to happen to me in every FF game I've played, and I don't know if it's just my playstyle or that's how the games are, but I'll be going through the game fine, running into a few bosses here and there that genuinely challenge me, then I get to the final boss and it's a brick wall. I absolutely can not finish up the game. Then I have to go off and grind levels, bringing the momentum the story's built up to that point to a stop, and then once I go back to try again the boss ends up being a pushover. FF Tactics, 7, 8, 9, and 10 have all done this to me.
FF 8 was especially disappointing because Squall pretty much slaughtered everything by himself.
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FFVIII had the combination of the junction system and the random enemies that level with you, making it really easy to superpower yourself early in the game and totally breeze through all the bosses until near the end.
By the way, Gold Saucer ftw, I spent hours playing that stupid roller coaster shooting game, and the Chocobo races. Also getting to take Barret out on a date is teh best them.
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But none of the games have been particularly difficult. The original FF1, the Japanese "hard" version (or whatever) of FF4, and MAYBE FF5 are the only ones I'd consider somewhat challenging. Especially 4; damn that version isn't even fun. :lol
The rest may have had a couple of bosses here and there that were a little tough--albeit far from insurmountable--but on the whole the games aren't too challenging at all (and I'm far from a video game "expert" of any kind). Luckily, the more recent games (7 onward) have had a super hard boss or something "post-game" to offer that actually takes some serious preparation and strategy.
In reality, that's really all that can be done without some fundamental change to the gameplay, because with the freedom to level up and overpower your team at any point, it's hard to make a game challenging throughout.
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Yeah, I realize that giving people the option to overlevel bosses is a mainstay of the series. I just find it annoying that I can be pretty much breezing through the game fine, for the most part, and then I get to the end and I get roflstomped with no warning otherwise that it's coming.
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The first disc of Final Fantasy VII had some very annoying sections. The marching minigame with the patriotic music playing the whole time was as annoying a minigame as I can remember in a Final Fantasy game. Almost everything surrounding the Golden Saucer was annoying.
Tell me about it. I'm struggling to get through it at the moment.
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Has anyone else seen this trailer for FF XIII?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfl36IiYkJo
It's mostly ingame cinematics it looks like but there is gameplay footage.
I was excited for it before but I'm even more excited now.
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Is that the one that comes with Advent Children on blu-ray?
If so, it's such a good trailer.
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Not as far as I know. It's just a trailer for FF XIII. It came out pretty recently I think.
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Not as far as I know. It's just a trailer for FF XIII. It came out pretty recently I think.
Yeah Advent Children was re-released recently with additional scenes (and also in HD on Bluray), and it came with a trailer for FF XIII, so it might well be the same one.
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I just did a bit of searching and they are not the same trailers. This one is new.
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The first disc of Final Fantasy VII had some very annoying sections. The marching minigame with the patriotic music playing the whole time was as annoying a minigame as I can remember in a Final Fantasy game. Almost everything surrounding the Golden Saucer was annoying.
Tell me about it. I'm struggling to get through it at the moment.
You guys are nuts, the who Junon section is great.
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The marching thing is fun, and hilarious when you're fucking up real bad. That music though, after a while its very tiresome.
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The first disc of Final Fantasy VII had some very annoying sections. The marching minigame with the patriotic music playing the whole time was as annoying a minigame as I can remember in a Final Fantasy game. Almost everything surrounding the Golden Saucer was annoying.
Tell me about it. I'm struggling to get through it at the moment.
You guys are nuts, the who Junon section is great.
I meant the entire first disc.
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That's why you just turn away from the masses masturbating to VII and play some IX.
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IX is my favourite FF game :hat
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IX is my favourite FF game :hat
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FFIX was great, it gets too much unfair criticism for the change in character design. The characters and the world/setting especially, are some of the best FF has to offer in my opinion. It holds my top spot of the PS/PS2 FF's, sorta tied with VII (depends on which one I played most recently).
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I didn't even mind the characters. I just thought having to grind out your skills off of your weapons was ridiculously stupid gameplay, so much that I didn't bother finishing the game. Having to keep spheres on hand to advance your characters in X pissed me off a fair amount, too.
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Strangely, I liked the skill leveling system in FFIX, but I can definitely see how some wouldn't.
Sphere Grid was a neat idea, and its pretty cool at first, but in the end all your characters end up as clones of each other for the most part :/. And needing to have a million spheres all the time does get old.
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Yeah, the grid itself I liked.... I've always loved the job system and it was nice to see it make a return, sort of.
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That's why you just turn away from the masses masturbating to VII and play some IX.
IX is my favourite FF game :hat
Even though I consider VI the best FF by a fair margin, IX is easily my second favorite. Great story, characters, soundtrack, visuals, side quests. Its one major flaw IMO is the battle system; seemed clunky, slow, and not very "fresh" in any way.
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I didn't even mind the characters. I just thought having to grind out your skills off of your weapons was ridiculously stupid gameplay, so much that I didn't bother finishing the game. Having to keep spheres on hand to advance your characters in X pissed me off a fair amount, too.
I agree with everything you said about IX. I never had that much trouble with spheres though. I always seemed to have enough of them.
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FFIX was great, it gets too much unfair criticism for the change in character design. The characters and the world/setting especially, are some of the best FF has to offer in my opinion. It holds my top spot of the PS/PS2 FF's, sorta tied with VII (depends on which one I played most recently).
The music was great too.
Strangely, I liked the skill leveling system in FFIX
Yeah. It made it quite easy to get some decent skills for every character, in my opinion.
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IX is my favourite FF game :hat
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Playing IX for the first time right now. Thus far I like it considerably more than VII. The ability learning is balanced well enough that I'm surprised it bothers people. You get enough without having to grind out every ability so could ignore it.
I just got to the point where you can regularly change your party members, and I'm pretty set on using Zidane, Dagger, Steiner, and Vivi the rest of the way as they're easily my four favourites. Never been one to try and pick the most effective groups, I prefer to just stick a small set of characters I like most. Freya and Amarant might get some more time in the party, though.
Quina's all-around absurd silliness is the only particular negative in the game, similar complaint as I have with Cait Sith. At least they aren't forced on you as party members most of the game so neither are too big a deal.
Oh, and big kudos to piecing a story together when Ramuh joins Dagger. That was a story from Final Fantasy II, my favourite Final Fantasy game(played: I,II,III,IV,VII,XII). Also cool that I got Doga and Une artifacts, references to Final Fantasy III, although I have no idea what good they do other than waste my money at the auction.
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FFIX was great, it gets too much unfair criticism for the change in character design. The characters and the world/setting especially, are some of the best FF has to offer in my opinion. It holds my top spot of the PS/PS2 FF's, sorta tied with VII (depends on which one I played most recently).
IX was indeed wonderful. My ONLY issue with it was that the story/twist was pretty similar to VII's but other than that it was great. Definitely my second favourite.
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Oh, and big kudos to piecing a story together when Ramuh joins Dagger. That was a story from Final Fantasy II, my favourite Final Fantasy game(played: I,II,III,IV,VII,XII). Also cool that I got Doga and Une artifacts, references to Final Fantasy III, although I have no idea what good they do other than waste my money at the auction.
I thought that stuff was cool as well. I had a lot of fun trying to find all the various subtle nods to other entries in the series, etc.
Also yorost, play VI. You've played most of the other old-school FF games, so hopefully you will have no trouble appreciating its genius. :biggrin:
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Nothing can beat the music of hundreds of voices screaming in unison!
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I finished IX.
All around I liked it a lot more than VII, and a great ending. They did a good job of selling the downer. I'll have to try to get around to VIII next year to see what I think for the whole Playstation series. X is up next for me, but I probably won't start it until after some work deadlines are passed later this month.
j: You're right, VI is the one I probably will enjoy the most out of the ones I haven't played(V, VI, VIII, X). I have been hoping for standalone remakes for V and VI, though. The versions with the cardboard boxes are hard to keep nice, and I would like have something that stays nice easily. Compilations just aren't as nice for shelf browsing, at least to me, so oh well. I expect they will both get suitable remakes eventually, and I'll hopefully enjoy the entire experience when they do.
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X is almighty. I don't know if I like it more than VII, but it's totally enjoyable the whole way through. I started on IX, but I haven't had the desire to play it lately for some reason.
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I'm playing X right now actually (second or third playthrough, I can't remember). It's fun to play but the script is pretty terrible. Also, the sphere grid is simple and fast but it doesn't allow for any kind of customization of you characters. Although since this is a class based kind of gameplay you can't really customize your characters too much, can you?
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I had absolutely ZERO issues with X's leveling system. It wasn't all that customizable, but it allowed for some more balanced teams. Auron, Tidus, and Yuna w/Holy are pretty much unstoppable.
Fuck, I want to play this game again now.
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I'm playing X right now actually (second or third playthrough, I can't remember). It's fun to play but the script is pretty terrible. Also, the sphere grid is simple and fast but it doesn't allow for any kind of customization of you characters. Although since this is a class based kind of gameplay you can't really customize your characters too much, can you?
Have you done the Monster Arena sidequest? There's a ton of stuff you can get for characters as well as Aeons.
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I love the sphere grid because having Yuna hit for 99999 is awesome. My three main characters (Tidus, Auron, Yuna) had all pretty much conquered the sphere grid.
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I gotta say, X's story was pretty great (although I agree with glaurung that the actual dialogue was weak at times), but I found the gameplay to be lacking. I played it once and enjoyed it, but I'm not sure I'll play it again. Out of curiosity, what do you guys consider the best aspects of this game?
@ yorost: I'm with you on hoping for all-out remakes of V and VI. I think it's just a matter of time, although it would be cool to see them remade on a high-end console instead of the DS (not that I'd complain about a DS remake). Hopefully they will do the originals justice.
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Well, I really love X's story, and the dialogue never really bothered me for some reason. Sure, there's some dumb lines, but those never got to me. The battle system, the leveling system, and the Overdrive system are all awesome. The graphics are breathtaking, and I really connected with the characters. Yuna marks the first time I've ever been sexually attracted to a video game character. :P
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I agree with you J, the story and characters were great, but the gameplay was pretty uninteresting. Kinda the opposite to XII, which had some great characters but some weak ones, including the lead, plus a not-that-great story, but the gameplay was by far my favourite of all the FF games.
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Well, I really love X's story, and the dialogue never really bothered me for some reason. Sure, there's some dumb lines, but those never got to me. The battle system, the leveling system, and the Overdrive system are all awesome. The graphics are breathtaking, and I really connected with the characters. Yuna marks the first time I've ever been sexually attracted to a video game character. :P
Pfft, real men were doing that back when we had sprites.
(https://www.justinbevans.com/art/senior-thesis/final/10-sprite_celes.jpg)
Check that sweet action out. Mmmm.
not really
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:rollin
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Gotta love Pixel Porn.
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Well, I really love X's story, and the dialogue never really bothered me for some reason. Sure, there's some dumb lines, but those never got to me. The battle system, the leveling system, and the Overdrive system are all awesome. The graphics are breathtaking, and I really connected with the characters. Yuna marks the first time I've ever been sexually attracted to a video game character. :P
:lol Well, then I can see why you liked the game so much!
Seriously, like ariich said, I loved the story and the characters (and for the record the minor flaws in the dialogue didn't bother me either), but I guess I disagree with you on the battle system. It was overly simple and bland or something I can't define. And the sphere grid was innovative, but a little tedious and didn't allow for much customization until you were far beyond having any use for it.
And ariich, I also agree about XII being the antithesis of X in that respect. That game takes some shit for it's relatively weak plot (and rightfully so, IMO), but the gameplay itself was tons of fun. One of my old roommates put like 250 hours into that game, which is what made me buy it. And then I proceeded to put probably close to 100 hours into it! I think the battle system was too radical a change for some people to handle, perhaps those who are slow, turn-based combat purists.
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I didn't like FFXII, and the battle system was a lot of the reason for that, but it's not that I'm a "slow, turn-based combat purists." How would you feel if Dream Theater released an album of Trance music? Maybe it's a nice change of pace for people who are into that, but if I buy a Dream Theater album I have certain expectations. Is it wrong to feel the same way about video games?
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I didn't like FFXII, and the battle system was a lot of the reason for that, but it's not that I'm a "slow, turn-based combat purists." How would you feel if Dream Theater released an album of Trance music? Maybe it's a nice change of pace for people who are into that, but if I buy a Dream Theater album I have certain expectations. Is it wrong to feel the same way about video games?
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
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Yeah, my generalization was unfair. But was it because of your expectations of the series based on past games that you didn't enjoy XII's battle system, or was it just that you dislike those types of more "real-time" hybrid battle systems?
In other words, do you normally like different RPG battle systems that are "less turn based" and you just think XII did it poorly? Or do you generally prefer your RPGs to have more traditional turn-based ones?
That's what I should have said instead of the pejorative "purists" comment. :lol
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I generally prefer turn-based RPGs, but my real beef with FFXII is the gambit system. Why play the game yourself when you could practice your AI coding skills?
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I didn't like FFXII, and the battle system was a lot of the reason for that, but it's not that I'm a "slow, turn-based combat purists." How would you feel if Dream Theater released an album of Trance music? Maybe it's a nice change of pace for people who are into that, but if I buy a Dream Theater album I have certain expectations. Is it wrong to feel the same way about video games?
I thought the gameplay in FFXII was some of the most fun I've had playing a FF game. The use of Area of Effect attacks and heals as well as using position brought so many strategies to how you play a FF game. The characters and story was kind of stupid until the very end of the game but I loved the combat. Especially boss fights. I think the combat system is a perfect blend of an MMO's combat mechanics and the turn based system in a FF.
I gotta say, X's story was pretty great (although I agree with glaurung that the actual dialogue was weak at times)
I should have mentioned that. I love the story and it's some of the cheesey dialouge that was annoying for me.
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I generally prefer turn-based RPGs, but my real beef with FFXII is the gambit system. Why play the game yourself when you could practice your AI coding skills?
Yeah I get what you mean. I bet it was appealing to people who have never done any type of programming before though. :lol
But honestly, what are you doing in any other turn-based RPG? You're just inputting those decisions individually. All the gambit thing does (if you choose to use it, which you don't have to) is allow you to automate some of that. Your characters' "turns" are still spent in the ways you tell them to. And barring a couple of mainstays, I was constantly in there changing up my gambits as well, so it's not like you can just set it up and breeze through the game. *shrug*
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It works the other way around too. I was fighting the boss on the airship(the first one I guess) and Balthier and Basch just stood there like idiots healing in an endless loop because the boss was too strong.
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Well, I really love X's story, and the dialogue never really bothered me for some reason. Sure, there's some dumb lines, but those never got to me.
For me it was mainly the "laughing" scene. Can't remember the specifics, but I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. Other than that, I wasn't ever particularly bothered by the dialogue.... it was mainly the timing of a lot of the voice acting that got to me. I remember there being a lot of overly long pauses that would never happen in an actual conversation. KH2 (and probably 1 but I can't remember) had that problem, too.
Plus I don't think you could even skip cutscenes, could you?
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The laughing scene was ridiculous, but I don't care. The rest of the game was great, even though you couldn't skip cutscenes.
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Yeah the awkward pauses are a translation thing, and that laughing scene makes me cringe.
I don't remember if you could skip scenes or not.
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I loved XII, although a disclaimer would be that I played the sequel prior to the main game. Going in I was already familiar with most of the protagonists and liked them already. I rather liked Vaan being someone observing the main story with his own story taking off at the end. Less sidequests might actually have helped general opinions on the story, since it sometimes felt like you hadn't touched the main story in a long time.
The battle system felt like a good extension of the Active Time Battle used in the past. It felt like a Final Fantasy game to me.
The Gambit System was a very welcomed aspect to the game. It handled repetitive choices perfectly well and you can individually control more advanced battles. If it isn't working at the moment it was easily turned off, and you weren't forced to use it so the bashing of it all seems meaningless. It was quite fun playing with it to try and control your players.
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You could have just done what I did with gambits and set them up so all they made your characters do is auto attack (with Baltheir and Fran targeting Flying enemies first) and then I controlled everything else manually. Then you don't have to complain about gambits running a fight for you.
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For the record Genowyn, if DT put out a trance album of high quality, then yes I'd probably like it, as I don't really base my opinions on expectations. But it's not a fair analogy though, trance has nothing in common with prog-metal, so that would be more akin to the next FF being a racing game. The change in combat system is more like the difference between Train of Thought and Octavarium.
Anyway I didn't use the gambits that much, but limited use of them really enhanced the gameplay. And it sounds like you weren't really using them very effectively (based on the example you gave) which is hardly the game's fault :P
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VI: Never finished it, still want to.
VII: Only played it after I had beaten IX and X (I think), so I was spoiled by the graphics, but I can see why people love the story so much. I just find it hard to abstract from the graphics.
VIII: Was very touching for me. I loved the characters, the leveling up system, the GFs and the story. The world map was really fun to explore, but I never got too far in doing sidequests.
IX: My first and favourite evar. <3 the storyline, characters, everythinggggggggggggg.
X: Also very special to me because I played it in a time when I was very young and full of imagination. It still feels very nostalgic to re-play it.
FFX-2: WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE.
FFXII: Felt too much like na MMO, didn't have the "magical" feeling of the older games.
Not to mention, I'm a KH fangirl.
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Looks like Final Fantasy XIV is going to be another MMO like XI, but this one is extremely exciting to me given the PS3 and 360's online capabilities. :caffeine:
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*slaps in face*
You remember how XI went, don't get too excited!
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*calms down*
:caffeine:
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But really, XIV looks pretty cool, from the uh, one trailer I've seen.
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XI was terrible, in my opinion, but I'm willing to give XIV a chance, even though the last time Square put out something I loved was Final Fantasy X in 2001 (not including remakes). I mean, I enjoyed FFXII a lot, and KHII, if not just for the nostalgia, but they haven't put out any classics in a long time. :(
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Personally I think KH2 is easily a classic but I can't say XI has me too excited for XIV. Not to mention that Age of Conan and Warhammer Online aren't exactly the greatest games to take influence form. But we'll see.
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XI was terrible, in my opinion, but I'm willing to give XIV a chance, even though the last time Square put out something I loved was Final Fantasy X in 2001 (not including remakes). I mean, I enjoyed FFXII a lot, and KHII, if not just for the nostalgia, but they haven't put out any classics in a long time. :(
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
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I'm not really a big fan of online RPGs anyway, so I doubt I'll be that interested in XIV, but might check it out if it gets good reviews. If it had a single player story mode I'd totally get it.
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They moved the release date of FF XIII to March 9th! Much sooner than I was expecting it. I haven't been this excited for a game in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRvSBgbOws
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They moved the release date of FF XIII to March 9th! Much sooner than I was expecting it. I haven't been this excited for a game in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRvSBgbOws
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I'm looking forward to Agito, it'll be the only FFXIII version I'll have a chance to play over the next few years.
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I'm most excited about versus XIII. :D
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Maybe I should finally give in and buy a PS3.
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I'm currently holding out, but looks like I'll be buying one in March! :P
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Am excited about this. Also, FFIV could be cool. I never got into XI because high-speed internet and online gaming was a fable to me back then.
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I believe it's coming out on 360 too. Did they cancel that? I know XIV isn't because of some disagreement with Microsoft, but did that include XIII too?
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I believe it's coming out on 360 too. Did they cancel that? I know XIV isn't because of some disagreement with Microsoft, but did that include XIII too?
No I'm pretty sure it's coming out on 360!
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Yeah. I just checked. XIII is coming out on 360, XIV is coming out on PS3 and PC.
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Ah, I have a 360. Who knows, though. I could wind up getting a PS3 if there's enough unique games on their to justify having both.
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Ah, I have a 360. Who knows, though. I could wind up getting a PS3 if there's enough unique games on their to justify having both.
There aren't. But that's an argument for another thread.
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Ah, I have a 360. Who knows, though. I could wind up getting a PS3 if there's enough unique games on their to justify having both.
There aren't. But that's an argument for another thread.
That remains my firm conclusion as well, although of course there are a handful of PS3 exclusives I'm interested in. Sony has made some very strange (and stupid, IMO) business moves regarding their gaming systems.
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Final Fantasy XIII Versus is still exclusive to the PS3, though, right? I want that game as much or more than I want XIII. Anyone else think title is a very poor choice, though? I ignored everything about the game for awhile because Versus made me think it was some sort of fighter game using XIII's world and characters.
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I really think making FFXIII a PS3 exclusive would have tremendously boosted its sales. Look what FFVII did for the Playstation One.
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I wish I had a PS3. :(
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I really think making FFXIII a PS3 exclusive would have tremendously boosted its sales. Look what FFVII did for the Playstation One.
It would have been good for Sony but Square Enix wouldn't be getting as much money from doing that. The 360 is much more popular (because the PS3 sucks) so they're going to sell a ton more games if it isn't exclusive.
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Just out of curiosity, what is it that sucks about the PS3? I've heard lots of good things about it, and I've heard some people say it sucks, but I don't remember ever seeing any reasons.
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My biggest problem is that the Play Station Network is lacking compared to Xbox Live. Yes, it's free. But you can't even chat with people outside of an in game voice chat. 80% of the time I'm on my Xbox I'm talking with friends and for a lot of that time we aren't playing the same game. If I was playing on the PS3 I wouldn't have that option. Also, interface for Xbox live is much easier to navigate. Paying for Xbox live is totally worth it for me.
Just Googled this and it compares the two better than I can. https://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/09/30/everything_geeky_playstation_network_vs__1
I also don't like the PS3's game selection. In my opinion it has very few exclusive games I'd be interested in playing while a lot of the games I do like playing I can also get for 360 along with it's much bigger and better selection of exclusive games.
The only thing the PS3 really has over the 360 is a Blue Ray player. But I buy a gaming console for the games, not movies.
Anyways, I'm just glad FF XIII is coming out for Xbox.
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None of that makes the PS3 suck.
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Mm it sounds like it really depends on what you want out of it. I'm not at all fussed about online playing really. Whereas the bluray would be useful for me as it'd allow me to play my BDs in my room.
Thanks for the comparison though glaurung, was useful to hear. :tup
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Mm it sounds like it really depends on what you want out of it.
That's pretty much what it comes down too. For what I want to do the 360 is the clear winner. I'm sure other people would prefer the PS3 though.
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I also don't like the PS3's game selection. In my opinion it has very few exclusive games I'd be interested in playing while a lot of the games I do like playing I can also get for 360 along with it's much bigger and better selection of exclusive games.
This is one of two reasons I don't own one. The other is that there is almost no backward compatibility now, and they're phasing it out altogether in the future. I have a lot of great PS1 and PS2 games, and my PS2 is nearing the end of its life. If a PS3 could play them, it would significantly increase the value for me.
I have no use for a Blu-Ray player; I have yet to be convinced to pay 100% more for every movie I buy just so it looks a little better in HD. I've only recently gotten HD programming for my TV, and the only thing I give a damn about watching in high quality is sports.
On the other hand, I have a buddy who swears by his PS3 and gets a ton of mileage out of it. It all comes down to whether or not one system offers what you're interested in and willing to shell out for.
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Back to actual FF discussion: I started a new file on Dawn of Souls today. Going with Warrior, Thief, and Red Mage x2. Figured I'd switch it up. My normal party is Warrior, Thief, White Mage, Red Mage.
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Back to actual FF discussion: I started a new file on Dawn of Souls today. Going with Warrior, Thief, and Red Mage x2. Figured I'd switch it up. My normal party is Warrior, Thief, White Mage, Red Mage.
Man, I always hated Red Mages. They were pretty bad-ass at first, but started sucking at everything as the game went on. I know I'm in the minority though.
My favorite team consisted of two Black Belts, a White Mage, and a Black Mage (sometimes going with a Fighter instead of one of the BBs). But I did once beat the game with a team of four White Mages, on the original NES version. It was hell; that version was hard.
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I always go with the 8BT party, which may be why I've never finished FF1.
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GameInformer did a top 200 games of all time list, and VI (III) came in 8th place and was said to be what perfected 2D RPGs. Needless to say, I completely agree. :metal
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:metal
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I'm playing II on the PSP. I've had Guy doing nothing but defending with two shields or throwing the occasional item at another player, so at this point, halfway about, when he's on the defend command his evasion rating on physical attacks must be near 99% or something. :lol All I ever see is 'miss' by his character! Maybe I should have him learn something else, he seems to have perfected this one.
For those of you that have not played II, your characters essentially get good at the things the more they do them. I've built a master at being an observer!
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GameInformer did a top 200 games of all time list, and VI (III) came in 8th place and was said to be what perfected 2D RPGs. Needless to say, I completely agree. :metal
:metal indeed.
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FF VI (III in the US) is the best game ever made. To me it is a perfect game. I cannot flaw it on anything. Kefka is the best. His lines in that game are great. The storyline for III is awesome. The characters kick so much ass. Sabin, Shadow, Umaro, GoGo, and Edgar FTW. I've beated this game multiple times. At some point I will want to go back and play it again.
Currently I am playing VII for the first time. So far I really like it. I am still on disc 1. It hasn't beaten out III for me yet though.
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FF VI (III in the US) is the best game ever made. To me it is a perfect game. I cannot flaw it on anything. Kefka is the best. His lines in that game are great. The storyline for III is awesome. The characters kick so much ass. Sabin, Shadow, Umaro, GoGo, and Edgar FTW. I've beated this game multiple times. At some point I will want to go back and play it again.
I love you.
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FF VI (III in the US) is the best game ever made. To me it is a perfect game. I cannot flaw it on anything. Kefka is the best. His lines in that game are great. The storyline for III is awesome. The characters kick so much ass. Sabin, Shadow, Umaro, GoGo, and Edgar FTW. I've beated this game multiple times. At some point I will want to go back and play it again.
I love you.
Me too.
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FF VI (III in the US) is the best game ever made. To me it is a perfect game. I cannot flaw it on anything. Kefka is the best. His lines in that game are great. The storyline for III is awesome. The characters kick so much ass. Sabin, Shadow, Umaro, GoGo, and Edgar FTW. I've beated this game multiple times. At some point I will want to go back and play it again.
I love you.
Me too.
-J
Aww gee thanks guys! :blush :-*
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I finished X.
That was one very long straight line. Rarely was there ever any wonder about where to go as it was literally a straight path you could never dream of deviating from, made worse by the fact that they had a red arrow always telling you where to go in case you didn't understand the implied move forward at all times. I understand why a story based game is directed, but not why it has to be this blatant pretty much everywhere in the game.
Lulu, what the fuck is going on with her celebration? Lean over and show me your over-sized boobs wiggle? What kind of celebration is that? I did come to accept her by the end of the game, but that's because I was curious what in the world she would say much of the time so talked to her first. Apparently this triggered her being a good friend of mine and gave me extra cut scenes with her. Oh well, now we're friends and she's not so bad once you know her, but holy crap, get a new celebration after battle!
Tidus, Jecht, Auron, and Rikku were all great characters the entire way.
Blitzball, glad they didn't make me play more than that one stupid game. Speaking of blitzball, I wasn't even satisfied with Wakka attacking until I got one customized the had spikes on it.
With the exception of being able to swap characters on the fly the battle system seemed like a step down from the Playstation One games in the series. It was enjoyable, but I rarely felt challenged in battle while running along that straight line. The worst it got would be you don't know if you'll make it to the next save point so turn around and go back... which just results in excess spheres filled in.
I liked the story, but this is probably a fantastic example of how to make someone feel as though they are stepping through a movie/story instead of playing a game.
At the end of the day it was enjoyable, though, yet for a Final Fantasy game this is one of the weakest entries. I like more open worlds in the series. We'll see how it goes, but despite the negativity towards the game I get the feeling I will like X-2 much more than X if I play it.
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I don't think there exists a single being in the universe that likes X-2 more than X. But, if you're confident, play it, and then post your reaction here for some serious lulz.
In other news, Final Fantasy XIII is in about 2 months. :caffeine:
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I liked X, and VII, but X-2 was, well, fun for a while, but yeah, definately not as good as X.
Although X got annoying with the cheesy dialogue. (The laughing scene with Tidus and Yuna makes me cringe)
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X-2 is shit. X is fucking immense.
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...except X isn't fucking immense, it is just a directed walkthrough. If they didn't spell out the entire story there really wasn't much reason to keep walking.
The reason I think I'll like X-2 more than X is because I like having more freedom to explore. My opinion of X isn't terribly high so X-2 doesn't have to be a great game for me to like it more than X.
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...except X isn't fucking immense, it is just a directed walkthrough. If they didn't spell out the entire story there really wasn't much reason to keep walking.
See, I've never understood these thoughts. Why would you want a huge immense area with one objective, and nearly endless places to get lost? I'd much rather just know where to go. Unless there's something else to do, I don't even want to deal with it. I only like it in sandbox games like GTA and inFamous.
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...except X isn't fucking immense, it is just a directed walkthrough. If they didn't spell out the entire story there really wasn't much reason to keep walking.
See, I've never understood these thoughts. Why would you want a huge immense area with one objective, and nearly endless places to get lost? I'd much rather just know where to go. Unless there's something else to do, I don't even want to deal with it. I only like it in sandbox games like GTA and inFamous.
I agree, I get annoyed if I don't know what to do next in games or if it's a huge area that isn't needed that I'm gonna get lost in the whole time. (Again, unless it's a sandbox game) But in this kind've game, I liked just knowing where to go and what to do. I'd rather the creators just spend more time making the game better in general, then wasting time making it bigger.
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The real answer to that question, from my perspective, could only be that I like that kind of gameplay more. I know that is unsatisfactory, but I can only give you some possible reasons as to why I feel that way, as I don't really know why I prefer it.
Maybe I like the discovery aspect of the game, exploration/non-linear play is one thing that differentiates a game from movies or books. Getting hints from npc's in the game and using dialogue to discover where you should go next is something I enjoy on top of this. Sort of helps you immerse yourself into the world instead of feeling more like an observer of a set story.
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I tend to agree with you, yorost. I actually thought FFX's story was great, and it was the main draw for me. The total linearity and lack of exploration--as well as the sub-par battle system--were turn-offs, but the story kept me playing. I even thought the primary characters were kind of weak (Tidus and Yuna), although they had their moments and fit into the plot acceptably.
Overall, it falls around the middle of the pack in terms of my favorite Final Fantasy games. Still a very solid game, just not as great as several other entries in the series, IMO.
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For me the much bigger priority with RPG's is story. I'm not that bothered by gameplay (unless it's irritatingly bad) and I'm not all that fussed about all that degree of choice of what to do as long there's at least some (which there is in X, as I remember doing a fair few things that weren't at all necessary).
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...except X isn't fucking immense, it is just a directed walkthrough. If they didn't spell out the entire story there really wasn't much reason to keep walking.
...except it is fucking immense. I really liked the battle system in it (I don't understand the complaints about it). The sphere grid was a nice change (I like the fact that you can pretty much make any character learn anything you want them to learn). This is probably the only FF game, excluding 8, where I actually thought the summons were useful. It had Bender in it (:neverusethis:). The story was great. Some of the voice acting wasn't that brilliant but on the whole, I think it really added to the game.
There was plenty of exploration to do with the sidequests.
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The problem with the battle system was it seemed like it was just a downgrade from the active time battle system it replaced. Not necessarily bad in itself, but it was a change for the worse.
The sphere grid didn't give you as much control as you seem to imply it did. For the most part the spheres that give you more freedom aren't easily accessible early in the game anyways. The characters mostly do have to follow their set pattern and can branch more as the game goes on. You need more spheres to change your characters, which isn't a whole big difference to just leveling up a character so their weaker stats are now acceptable. Spheres were too plentiful, I filled in everything I could and still had too many. By the time you can have every character learning anything you want them to learn you'll be overpowered to the point it doesn't matter. Plus, this is probably the most restrictive Final Fantasy game for equipment, can anything be used by more than one character?
Summons are definitely useful in IV, VII, and XII as well.
A limited number of short branches for sidequests and backtracking the same straight line for others is not exploration. Searching the world map was move the cursor around and click to see if it tells you something is there, wonderfully thought out! The freedom to move around the world in this game was only achieved when you were ready to face Sin, that is restrictive. I enjoyed seeing Jecht's spheres, but it still required being on that straight line. This game could have been on rails with stops for battle and cutscenes.
Yes, I definitely enjoyed the story, that was the best part of the game. The game itself was a mundane offering that let you keep seeing more of the story.
I don't want to give the impression I disliked X, it was good, just nothing more than that.
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I don't see how it was a downgrade.
You have shit loads of spheres so you can beef up your summons. That's when you run out of spheres.
Never played IV. Didn't use the summon characters in VII and XII was crap.
Why would you need freedom at any other times in the game? 90% of the time, sidequests in FF games are too difficult to do until the end of the game anyway.
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Why would you need freedom at any other times in the game? 90% of the time, sidequests in FF games are too difficult to do until the end of the game anyway.
It's less about "needing" the freedom and more about wanting it. The sphere grid dangles it just out of reach until you reach the point where it doesn't matter anymore. Part of the reason I still play FF Tactics and some of the older FF games is because I can customize my party the way I want it from practically the very beginning, not at the end of the game when everyone's pretty much a god anyway.
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I've never really like Square's strategy/tactical games. Particularly the sequel to XII on the DS.
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Beefing up summons wasn't that useful, filling in spheres for Yuna was a much cheaper and faster way to make them stronger. I don't know the exact correlation, but as Yuna grew in strength so do all the summons. Why spend 40 spheres for a single point stat increase on one of the summons when a few spheres to Yuna probably achieves the same thing to all of the summons? I did beef up Shiva as much as I could when I had excessive spheres, but her relative placement in the summons pecking order didn't change much.
XII didn't have as good a story as X, but nearly every other aspect was superior, that was a great game.
I don't care so much about sidequests, and by the end of the game they can start to feel like chores in most any game as you can start to just feel the strong urge to see the end of the story. Your 90% remark is absurd, you know, right?
I get that you probably like a directed game, but I prefer ones where part of the game is figuring out where to go and not always being sure you're headed in the right direction. Being able to have more freedom to visit old places or visit places the story doesn't need you to be at yet enhances the experience for me.
I don't need you to agree with my tastes, I'm just explaining them and why I disagree with you.
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Exaggeration - it doesn't exist on the internet. Apparently (referencing the 90% thing).
I play plenty of open world games and enjoy them. I just don't see why story heavy games have to have such a large exploration option to make them a good game. If anything, I think it distracts from it.
The problem with XII was that it was boring. The battle system was sooooo boring. You pretty much just sat there and watched your characters do everything while making the occasional command. It's story was boring. The sidequests were boring. The characters were boring. The weird board thing for learning skills was rubbish compared to the sphere grid.
I don't need you to agree with my tastes, I'm just explaining them and why I disagree with you.
Good job of assuming I wasn't doing the same thing.
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The problem with XII was that it was boring. The battle system was sooooo boring. You pretty much just sat there and watched your characters do everything while making the occasional command. It's story was boring. The sidequests were boring. The characters were boring. The weird board thing for learning skills was rubbish compared to the sphere grid.
I agree with you pretty much everywhere here. But, you say that the only thing you're doing is sitting there watching while you make the occasional command. Isn't that pretty much the same deal with X, just a different mask on it?
The active-time battle system made RPGs not seem like board games. It added a super exciting aspect to the series.
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XII didn't have as good a story as X, but nearly every other aspect was superior, that was a great game.
Completely agree. The story was weak by FF standards, but the gameplay was by far my favourite from all the games, so overall I rank it upper middle.
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Is VII the one with Sephroth?
Masterpiece
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Is VII the one with Sephiroth?
Masterpiece
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I agree with you pretty much everywhere here. But, you say that the only thing you're doing is sitting there watching while you make the occasional command. Isn't that pretty much the same deal with X, just a different mask on it?
Well, I prefer it to using pre-programmed instructions and having to pause a fight to force any manual commands. The battle system in X makes it feel like I have more control over what I'm doing. I also really liked the fact that you could swap out characters etc.
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XII didn't have as good a story as X, but nearly every other aspect was superior, that was a great game.
Completely agree. The story was weak by FF standards, but the gameplay was by far my favourite from all the games, so overall I rank it upper middle.
Me too, and for the same reasons. Parts of XII could be tedious, but I really enjoyed the vast majority of it.
The problem with the battle system was it seemed like it was just a downgrade from the active time battle system it replaced. Not necessarily bad in itself, but it was a change for the worse.
This is pretty much what I took away from it. There was little depth to the battle system and it really seemed like a step back from previous FF games.
I will reiterate that I think X has one of the top two or three stories in the entire series. I loved it when I played it, but have never since felt the urge to play it again, which can't be said about any other Final Fantasy.
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Exaggeration - it doesn't exist on the internet. Apparently (referencing the 90% thing).
Exaggeration can still make an implication. The number wasn't relevant, but you certainly implied that the end of the game is when the bulk of sidequests must be done in Final Fantasy games. That is absurd, not the exaggeration itself.
The problem with XII was that it was boring. The battle system was sooooo boring. You pretty much just sat there and watched your characters do everything while making the occasional command. It's story was boring. The sidequests were boring. The characters were boring. The weird board thing for learning skills was rubbish compared to the sphere grid.
Why use the gambits at all if you don't like them? You never had to use them, the system was only there if you wanted to utilize it.
There were so many sidequests throughout the entire game in XII that you could pick and choose, though, and many of them were very entertaining. What were sidequests in X that you couldn't stumble upon in XII?
I don't know, I like the characters in XII.
You praise the sphere grid for the freedom it grants you in developing a character then call the one in XII rubbish? The license board fits more how you described the sphere grid than the sphere grid even does.
I don't need you to agree with my tastes, I'm just explaining them and why I disagree with you.
Good job of assuming I wasn't doing the same thing.
I didn't assume, I just said it in case you thought I was saying your opinion was wrong.
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Exaggeration - it doesn't exist on the internet. Apparently (referencing the 90% thing).
Exaggeration can still make an implication. The number wasn't relevant, but you certainly implied that the end of the game is when the bulk of sidequests must be done in Final Fantasy games. That is absurd, not the exaggeration itself.
Look at Final Fantasy VII then. There's three or four during the beginning (getting the extra characters and the one where your materia is stolen) and then all the other ones are at the end (fighting all the weapons, that stupid forest with all the puzzles, getting all the awesome materia (which either involves having an insanely good chocobo or going to the last area of the game or having a submarine) etc.
I don't understand why I wouldn't use the gambits. Pausing the game every second would have been a nightmare.
Never said the license board didn't grant you freedom, I just didn't like it.
I don't need you to agree with my tastes, I'm just explaining them and why I disagree with you.
Good job of assuming I wasn't doing the same thing.
I didn't assume, I just said it in case you thought I was saying your opinion was wrong.
Fair enough.
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Just beat Crisis Core. It's obviously far from perfect, and the battle system wasn't really my thing (I prefer the oldschool ATB system, and I got by by doing nothing but Thundaga), but I still enjoyed it, which is surprising, considering the number of things that could have gone wrong with a FFVII prequel.
I had no fucking clue what Genesis's goal the entire game was, but I liked the story, and the ending was certainly a tearjerker. It makes sense to me why Cloud is such an emo fuck.
I'm playing through Dissidia right now; it's just one big goodie bag of nostalgia, and that's certainly my kind of thing. Besides, you get to kick ass as Kefka and the FFII Emperor, though I hope there's a sequel with a better selection of characters.
Example: why the fuck would they choose Tidus over Auron, Yuna, Wakka, Lulu...? Hell, everyone in X was awesome besides the annoying fuck they chose (Jecht's cool, though.)
I love Bartz and Zidane, but they're a bit too similiar - I'd replace either Bartz with Faris or Galuf, or Zidane with Vivi
Garland, Golbez and Exdeath are also too similiar - big, bad, armored villains, even though I like them all (except Exdeath) in their respective games
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I don't understand why I wouldn't use the gambits. Pausing the game every second would have been a nightmare.
Wut?
I think you were doing it wrong Harry.
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Did the fight not pause every time you went to choose a command (manually)?
I honestly can't remember. It's been such a long time since I played it.
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It didn't for me, but it was probably an optional setting that I turned off or something. If you left it on it's your own stupid fault. :P
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Maybe but if it was an option, I most likely kept it on because I felt like I had more control using the stopping way.
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Exaggeration - it doesn't exist on the internet. Apparently (referencing the 90% thing).
Exaggeration can still make an implication. The number wasn't relevant, but you certainly implied that the end of the game is when the bulk of sidequests must be done in Final Fantasy games. That is absurd, not the exaggeration itself.
Look at Final Fantasy VII then. There's three or four during the beginning (getting the extra characters and the one where you're materia is stolen) and then all the other ones are at the end (fighting all the weapons, that stupid forest with all the puzzles, getting all the awesome materia (which either involves having an insanely good chocobo or going to the last area of the game or having a submarine) etc.
Don't forget the safe in the mansion. And the tower with the bird on top that you fight those strategy battles in. I think there are more too, although you're right in that most of the memorable ones are saved for the end of the game.
/uninvited and unhelpful contribution
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Oh yes, the safe one is good but those strategy battles aren't even worth a mention :P . I avoided those like the plague :lol
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Oh yes, the safe one is good but those strategy battles aren't even worth a mention :P . I avoided those like the plague :lol
Yeah, I avoided those, too, oh well.
Yuffie and Vincent are both sidequests in their own right. You could also do things like defeat Yuffie's dad and find the sunken ship for powerful weapons prior to endgame, too. Tons of stuff to do in the Golden Saucer, albeit a place I was mostly just annoyed with so didn't bother! :p There was something with an old guy in a house out on a peninsula if you went and found him. Yeah, there were big ones near end game, but it still had plenty of others to do.
Just beat Crisis Core. It's obviously far from perfect, and the battle system wasn't really my thing (I prefer the oldschool ATB system, and I got by by doing nothing but Thundaga), but I still enjoyed it, which is surprising, considering the number of things that could have gone wrong with a FFVII prequel.
I got maybe half way though this game while I was on vacation in Wisconsin. Playing it little by little, I kind of like the battle system, but I agree the ATB is better. Fine with me, though, this is interesting in its own right and the ATB might make it feel too much not its own game compared to FFVII. Yuffie is awesome, that is all I can say about this game so far.
Actually, I don't get it, Yuffie would probably annoy me in most games, but for some reason she's probably the most awesome character in the whole FFVII world, to me.
I'm playing through Dissidia right now; it's just one big goodie bag of nostalgia, and that's certainly my kind of thing. Besides, you get to kick ass as Kefka and the FFII Emperor, though I hope there's a sequel with a better selection of characters.
I love this game, and the size is somewhat daunting. Played through the Shade Impulse story with Firion and put it away for a later time. There is just so much to the game, but very, very cool for anyone that's played a number of Final Fantasy games and loved them.
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The sunken ship sidequest is pretty much at the end of the game :P
When I mentioned finding Yuffie and Vincent, I did mean that as 2 separate sidequests.
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The sunken ship sidequest is pretty much at the end of the game :P
It was? I thought I did that on the second disc, but yeah, I guess if it was almost to the end of the second disc it would be pretty much endgame.
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Oh well.
Any of you guys seen the trailer for FFXIII that comes with the blu-ray version of Advent Children? It looks immense!
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Actually, I don't get it, Yuffie would probably annoy me in most games, but for some reason she's probably the most awesome character in the whole FFVII world, to me.
Gah I always hated her. She was so annoying as a character and I thought she was lame looking too, so I never used her. I tend to dislike "kid" characters in most games like this; I don't know what roles the creators are trying to fill with them, but they seem to just have qualities that grate on me.
The only other character I never used was Aeris, after learning that I couldn't use her beyond a certain point. The difference is that, unlike Yuffie (from what I can remember), there are times you're *required* to use her.
And I've never played Crisis Core (don't have a PSP). Maybe that will make me change my mind, if I ever get around to playing it.
-J
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Actually, I don't get it, Yuffie would probably annoy me in most games, but for some reason she's probably the most awesome character in the whole FFVII world, to me.
Gah I always hated her. She was so annoying as a character and I thought she was lame looking too, so I never used her. I tend to dislike "kid" characters in most games like this; I don't know what roles the creators are trying to fill with them, but they seem to just have qualities that grate on me.
Does that mean you disliked Vivi? :(
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VIVI IS THE BEST THEM, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WILL FEEL HIS WRATH.
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Actually, I don't get it, Yuffie would probably annoy me in most games, but for some reason she's probably the most awesome character in the whole FFVII world, to me.
Gah I always hated her. She was so annoying as a character and I thought she was lame looking too, so I never used her. I tend to dislike "kid" characters in most games like this; I don't know what roles the creators are trying to fill with them, but they seem to just have qualities that grate on me.
Does that mean you disliked Vivi? :(
Actually, I hadn't thought of him. Now that you mention it, I guess he's the glaring exception. He was one of my favorite characters from FFIX, which is one of my favorite FF games.
So you can relax now, ariich. May I suggest a sedative of some kind? :biggrin:
-J
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All is right with the world :hat
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I'm playing through VII right now. Such an amazing game. I'm about to get Red XIII and I just stole the Hardedge from the Soldier 3rd's. Cloud is now twice as powerful. Ever since the Ocarina of Time DTF Playthrough thing happened, I've been wanting to do it with VII too. Would enough people be interested?
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All is right with the world :hat
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/smileys/ffvivi.gif)
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I'm playing through VII right now. Such an amazing game. I'm about to get Red XIII and I just stole the Hardedge from the Soldier 3rd's. Cloud is now twice as powerful. Ever since the Ocarina of Time DTF Playthrough thing happened, I've been wanting to do it with VII too. Would enough people be interested?
I completed VII again a couple of months ago so I don't think I would be in.
All is right with the world :hat
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/smileys/ffvivi.gif)
WE NEED THIS EMOTICON
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I'm playing through VII right now. Such an amazing game. I'm about to get Red XIII and I just stole the Hardedge from the Soldier 3rd's. Cloud is now twice as powerful. Ever since the Ocarina of Time DTF Playthrough thing happened, I've been wanting to do it with VII too. Would enough people be interested?
How did that go? Everyone agreed to reach a certain point by a certain day then talk about it? I'd be interested in giving something like that a try.
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Yeah, something along those lines. I'll organize it if enough people feel like doing it. Let's say...between 5 and 10?
Also, just to get a preemptive strike (lol c wut i did thar), does anyone have suggestions as to where the checkpoints should be? It is an extremely long game, and I'm not sure how much is too much for a week. Right now my gut is to split Midgar in half. I'll have to think on where other logical checkpoints would be.
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I remember whenver FF7 came out, my friends mom bought it for me as a random gift. It was the first RPG game that I ever played. So I pop it in, and im playing the first area and im seriously not understanding why I cant just take a few steps with these enemies popping up and attacking. And boy did I hate the combat. I kept on thinking to "Why the heck would they fight each other taking turns?" So yeah, I stopped playing the game right after the very first boss. :P
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Actually, I don't get it, Yuffie would probably annoy me in most games, but for some reason she's probably the most awesome character in the whole FFVII world, to me.
Gah I always hated her. She was so annoying as a character and I thought she was lame looking too, so I never used her. I tend to dislike "kid" characters in most games like this; I don't know what roles the creators are trying to fill with them, but they seem to just have qualities that grate on me.
The only other character I never used was Aeris, after learning that I couldn't use her beyond a certain point. The difference is that, unlike Yuffie (from what I can remember), there are times you're *required* to use her.
And I've never played Crisis Core (don't have a PSP). Maybe that will make me change my mind, if I ever get around to playing it.
-J
Yuffie
If you don't like Yuffie now you won't like her in Crisis Core. You can choose how much interaction you have with her, though. An inconsequential spoiler is that she gets a hold of Zack's email address and if you never do any of the missions she 'assigns' to you then you'll only see her once.
Yuffie almost single handedly took out Sephiroth, not counting the final blow by Cloud obviously, when I played VII. I ended up with what I believe was her ultimate weapon(the Conformer?) and she did full damage every time. Interesting weapon, she couldn't do much damage to weak enemies with it but she would destroy bosses.
Aeris
I didn't use her either. Never liked her at all as she was annoying and I was cheering on Tifa/Cloud the whole way! :p However, unlike Yuffie, Aeris does have a significant role in Crisis Core and I find myself really liking her character in this game. We shall see how that goes by the time I finish.
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I just realised something. I don't think the Americans got the option of using the "Expert" sphere grid on Final Fantasy X. Only the PAL/International release got this. This allows all the characters to start off in the middle of the sphere grid and go any where they like. This may explain the differences in our opinions when it comes to the freedom of the sphere grid.
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I just realised something. I don't think the Americans got the option of using the "Expert" sphere grid on Final Fantasy X. Only the PAL/International release got this. This allows all the characters to start off in the middle of the sphere grid and go any where they like. This may explain the differences in our opinions when it comes to the freedom of the sphere grid.
Stupid Europeans and their getting cool stuff.
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I just realised something. I don't think the Americans got the option of using the "Expert" sphere grid on Final Fantasy X. Only the PAL/International release got this. This allows all the characters to start off in the middle of the sphere grid and go any where they like. This may explain the differences in our opinions when it comes to the freedom of the sphere grid.
That does sound like a big improvement ...so do you know how they changed anything else? I would guess the locking system had to be different somehow.
Oh well, good for all you PAL peeps.
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Yeah. Theres a few things but I'll have to post them later since this discussion has got me playing FFX again.
I'm currently playing it on my second monitor while browsing DTF and using MSN on this monitor :hat
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Ugh I wanna play Dissidia sfm but I can't affort a psp. Q___Q
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Ugh I wanna play Dissidia sfm but I can't affort a psp. Q___Q
I'm in the same boat, perhaps even worse because my best friend is a global mod on the largest Dissidia related website in english...in other words I am closely associated with a major Dissidia player and yet I've never gotten a character above level 10 -_-
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Dissidia is so much fun. I need to rent it again so I can actually beat it.
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Is it actually any good?
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I like it a lot. You can play as the main character or villain from the first 10 games, and there's a fun story mode where you only play as the heroes. They each have a short story. The fighting is addictive, and the best part of the game. I like the voice acting, but some people have complained about it.
Overall, I'd give it a rental, because it's definitely not for everyone, but definitely buy it if you would gain satisfaction beating the shit out of Tidus again and again and again.
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I like it a lot. You can play as the main character or villain from the first 10 games, and there's a fun story mode where you only play as the heroes. They each have a short story. The fighting is addictive, and the best part of the game. I like the voice acting, but some people have complained about it.
Overall, I'd give it a rental, because it's definitely not for everyone, but definitely buy it if you would gain satisfaction beating the shit out of Tidus again and again and again.
(https://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/631049026_Gmwbv-L.jpg)
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Might have to get it for my PSP...some way or another.
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Dissidia is packed full of stuff for anyone that loves Final Fantasy, really a great fan service package. The interactions between all the heroes is entertaining and there is just so much to do, you just keep unlocking new things as you play.
As mentioned each hero has an individual base story, and then the Shade Impulse story follows after those. I beat that set of stories, but I know there are two or three more story lines that follow that have to be unlocked somehow.
I can't imagine trying to go for 100% completion of this game, there's just so much stuff, and I count that as a big positive for this game.
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Yeah, something along those lines. I'll organize it if enough people feel like doing it. Let's say...between 5 and 10?
Also, just to get a preemptive strike (lol c wut i did thar), does anyone have suggestions as to where the checkpoints should be? It is an extremely long game, and I'm not sure how much is too much for a week. Right now my gut is to split Midgar in half. I'll have to think on where other logical checkpoints would be.
I would definitely be up for playing it with you guys. I have already been planning on playing through it with some other friends anyways so I'll just do it with them and DTF at the same time.
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Alright. That's three.
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YESSSSS. Just beat the Luca Goers in the first Blitzball match you play.
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Oh god Blitzball. That and the one Seymour fight (You know the one) were the only things in that game that actually seriously pissed me off.
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Actually, I'm not sure, which Seymour fight? He was one a bright spot in the game, his fights were usually difficult but doable on first go at it.
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The first one that springs to mind is the one on Mt. Gagazet
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That's the one I assumed he was talking about as well; it was pretty tough. The only other boss fights I didn't breeze through were Yunalesca and the final boss. And of those, the latter wasn't bad at all, it just took me several turns to figure out what to do.
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I remember the fight, but I don't remember it being anything unusual. What made it so bad?
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It was just really difficult. I ended up doing a lot of training, getting all my overdrives up. Then, I cast Bio on him and kept sending Aeons out (I got all their overdrives up too), and I still only beat him by the skin of my teeth.
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I don't think I used any aeons on this one. This is the one where he cast reflect on himself, you dispelled it and then he cast flare on himself, genius that he is. Otherwise I just killed his sidekick over and over so that it never really had a turn. I remember zombie status and healing to kill them, but I think I had someone with zombie ward active since I don't remember it ever killing everyone.
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I don't think I used any aeons on this one. This is the one where he cast reflect on himself, you dispelled it and then he cast flare on himself, genius that he is. Otherwise I just killed his sidekick over and over so that it never really had a turn. I remember zombie status and healing to kill them, but I think I had someone with zombie ward active since I don't remember it ever killing everyone.
I don't think we're thinking of the same one.
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Ugh, I did that fight on Gagazet so many times for a while I had the conversation that preceded it memorized. I still have this bit:
"They threw themselves at me...to bar my path. One...after the other...*girlish giggle*"
But seriously, screw that boss.
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Just get Yojimbo before you go up there if you find it difficult.
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Just get Yojimbo before you go up there if you find it difficult.
Not really into side-quests. My other method worked fine, but it was just a pain in the ass the first few times.
And, while we're talking about cutscenes, the one before Yunalesca is SO FUCKING LONG, and before one of the hardest bosses at that. I watched it at least 10 times. The one before the final boss was annoying too. I still have that one memorized.
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That fight really wasn't that hard. Just make sure you have a bunch of holy waters.
Is anyone interested in doing the FF VII play through talked about on the last page?
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I'm still up for giving it a try whenever.
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We need more people, and also suggestions as to where the splits should be.
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I'd be in if my copy of VII worked >.>
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Just get Yojimbo before you go up there if you find it difficult.
ahh nostalgia
Yojimbo was badass
But not as much as this one:
(https://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr37/doom_wrath/FFX-Anima.jpg)
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Yeah, but Yojimbo has the best name ever. :lol
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The japanese could have given him some totally ludicrous name like Bakaneko and not changed it and people would probably start nicknaming themselves Bakaneko and have no idea what they had done.
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I don't think I used any aeons on this one. This is the one where he cast reflect on himself, you dispelled it and then he cast flare on himself, genius that he is. Otherwise I just killed his sidekick over and over so that it never really had a turn. I remember zombie status and healing to kill them, but I think I had someone with zombie ward active since I don't remember it ever killing everyone.
I don't think we're thinking of the same one.
I looked it up, that was the fight at Mt. Gagazet, is that the one you're talking about?
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I don't think I used any aeons on this one. This is the one where he cast reflect on himself, you dispelled it and then he cast flare on himself, genius that he is. Otherwise I just killed his sidekick over and over so that it never really had a turn. I remember zombie status and healing to kill them, but I think I had someone with zombie ward active since I don't remember it ever killing everyone.
I don't think we're thinking of the same one.
I looked it up, that was the fight at Mt. Gagazet, is that the one you're talking about?
Yeah, but I don't remember him doing casting reflect on himself.
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I don't think I used any aeons on this one. This is the one where he cast reflect on himself, you dispelled it and then he cast flare on himself, genius that he is. Otherwise I just killed his sidekick over and over so that it never really had a turn. I remember zombie status and healing to kill them, but I think I had someone with zombie ward active since I don't remember it ever killing everyone.
I don't think we're thinking of the same one.
I looked it up, that was the fight at Mt. Gagazet, is that the one you're talking about?
Yeah, but I don't remember him doing casting reflect on himself.
Maybe he just didn't do it to you, he used it to use flare on the heroes by casting it against his own reflect. That way if the player has reflect up it can't stop it, as I'm sure you know if you've played various Final Fantasy games. Unfortunately he was apparently too stupid to know when you dispel his reflect, which made for a hilarious moment as he flared himself.
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No, I totally know what you mean, I just don't recall it being the fight on Gagazet. I've only played through it once though, so you're probably right.
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I don't remember him doing that on Gagazet either, but I do recall him doing it...maybe it's just his reaction to you casting reflect? A lot of bosses do that.
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Maybe I'm wrong, I'm certain it was on this boss, though, especially since I just read a faq that says this version of Seymour uses reflect to cast flare off himself.
Boss 24 (https://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/197344/16895)
Myself, he wasn't responding to my reflect, I think, since I rarely use it myself. Never have liked using the reflect tactic unless I was desperate. :p
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I guess I just didn't notice Flare sandwiched between all of his other annoying as hell attacks. I still think he was one of the hardest bosses in the game...not as hard as Yunalesca, but definitely harder than just about everything else.
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Yu Yevon was the one I really struggled with.
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Yu Yevon was the one I really struggled with.
True, I would argue he may have been the hardest final boss ever, that guy was ridiculous.
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Yu Yevon was simple. You didn't even have to attack him. He would just Ultima himself to death while you kept getting rescued by the auto-life. How is a boss where you can't die considered hard?
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Here's something you guys might like.
https://ps3.ign.com/articles/106/1061278p1.html
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I'd be up to the FFVII playthrough, but problem is I lost disc one for the game. I think I'll buy it on the PS3 online store and play it on that.
Are there any differences on the PS3/PSP downloadable version?
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I'd be up to the FFVII playthrough, but problem is I lost disc one for the game. I think I'll buy it on the PS3 online store and play it on that.
Are there any differences on the PS3/PSP downloadable version?
None whatsoever. The only difference is you can turn on graphical smoothing and make it look prettier. And, because it's reading from the hard drive, it runs a little faster/smoother as well.
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Good :tup
I'm really wanting a FFVII remake (for fuck sake's, they did I-VI for the GBA, then they did I & II again on the PSP, and III-IV on the DS) but I'm afraid they'd have Genesis, Cissnei and that one goddess of the Lifestream chick pop up everywhere :lol I don't mind the characters, but they just don't feel like they'd belong.
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Salivate over this and then curse Sqeenix for it only being a tech demo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv8cYrGG220
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Good :tup
I'm really wanting a FFVII remake (for fuck sake's, they did I-VI for the GBA, then they did I & II again on the PSP, and III-IV on the DS) but I'm afraid they'd have Genesis, Cissnei and that one goddess of the Lifestream chick pop up everywhere :lol I don't mind the characters, but they just don't feel like they'd belong.
Well, the GBA actually got I, II, IV-VI.
VII getting a remake hasn't made as much sense since it was originally intended for the PS1 and was a big step up from VI in terms of how the game was presented. We're still two generations out of FFVII, this would be the first generation that a remake would even seem like a possibility, so the wait is only starting around now, anyways.
I highly doubt Genesis would show up in FFVII, aside from possible mentions. I haven't finished Crisis Core, but from the ending of Dirge of Cerberus I'm pretty sure during the time of FFVII he's rather occupied. You also have to remember that they don't go too far away from the original source for these remakes, too. Based on their past remakes it would probably be graphical and presentation upgrades, with the game largely unchanged except for maybe a bonus area.
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That is true, but for I-VI there wasn't really anything more to add. Now FFVII has a whole compilation of prequels and sequels, with new characters revealed to have been the cause of many events from the original game (Genesis, Hollander, Lazard, Angaelus, Cissnei, etc., the list goes on; even Zack was an incredibly minor character in the original game) and while I would prefer them to keep things largely unchanged I couldn't imagine them not finishing up those characters' stories or, god forbid, mention DeepGround.
Since you still haven't finished Crisis Core, spoilers up ahead. The "Godess" from LOVELESS Genesis always goes on about is revealed to be a character named Minerva who, presumably, is the consciousness of the Lifestream, but most of her purpose and story is left unresolved. I would imagine, was there a FFVII remake, she'd be described in greater detail (perhaps along with Jenova, who always intrigued me), and I assume she has a connection to Aerith's Holy materia.
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I always heard that there was a lot that was supposed to make it in FFVII that never got finished due to time constraints. It's been forever since I checked, but I think I remember reading about there being some unused files/text on the CDs. It being their first game for that generation, I could definitely see FFVII having a lot more cut content than, say, VIII or IX. Then again, maybe anything that was cut from VII has already been used in all of these spinoffs (none of which I've played, unfortunately).
Either way, that tech demo was amazing and it would be fucking cruel as hell of them to release an updated VII intro as a tech demo then have no intention of doing anything else for another 10 years.
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I always heard that there was a lot that was supposed to make it in FFVII that never got finished due to time constraints. It's been forever since I checked, but I think I remember reading about there being some unused files/text on the CDs. It being their first game for that generation, I could definitely see FFVII having a lot more cut content than, say, VIII or IX. Then again, maybe anything that was cut from VII has already been used in all of these spinoffs (none of which I've played, unfortunately).
Either way, that tech demo was amazing it would be fucking cruel as hell of them to release an updated VII intro as a tech demo then have no intention of doing anything else for another 10 years.
Exactly my reasoning. I still have hope.
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The fact that you can buy, download, and play Final Fantasies 7 and 8 on a PS3 has considerably pushed me towards getting one.
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Wait a second... I was reading some comments on the tech demo video and I noticed this (Crisis Core spoilers).
Someone said that scene is actually the Crisis Core outro.
If that's true then, to me, that significantly reduces the chances of there being a VII remake anytime soon.
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When the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII started, I believe something was mentioned where they wanted it to end on its 20th anniversary.
I'd say, if we're getting a remake, it'd be happening in 2017.
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THAT'S FIVE YEARS TOO LATE
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Yeah. Nomura himself said they'd like to make one, actually, but that we'd have to wait awhile :lol
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Yu Yevon was the one I really struggled with.
True, I would argue he may have been the hardest final boss ever, that guy was ridiculous.
These are joke posts...right? I thought that your team got revived infinitely each time they died, and you didn't even have to do anything.
-J
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I don't know about his but mine was completely serious.
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Ah, thanks. That clears things up nicely. :lol
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No love for FF5 in this thread :'(
FF5 is probably the hardest in the series. I never finished the whole game though. The job system was pretty cool. I remember the story being pretty good too.
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Yu Yevon was simple. You didn't even have to attack him. He would just Ultima himself to death while you kept getting rescued by the auto-life. How is a boss where you can't die considered hard?
These are joke posts...right? I thought that your team got revived infinitely each time they died, and you didn't even have to do anything.
-J
You guys may need one of these:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2rTR2Dls5Yg/SiS0eybgnDI/AAAAAAAAB54/AaUWKTU53Ak/s400/sarcasm_detector.jpg)
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When the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII started, I believe something was mentioned where they wanted it to end on its 20th anniversary.
I'd say, if we're getting a remake, it'd be happening in 2017.
That would be awesome. It'd presumably be on the PS4 by then as well...
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Hmm, I wonder if Sony will follow suit with their next console and name it PS4. It seems like they'd have to stop eventually...
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No love for FF5 in this thread :'(
FF5 is probably the hardest in the series. I never finished the whole game though. The job system was pretty cool. I remember the story being pretty good too.
I love that game. Like I said earlier in this thread, the job system is why that one (and Tactics) is the only FF I'll really replay regularly. I haven't looked into the new FF MMO at all, but I'm really hoping that they use the job system again (and that the game ends up actually being..... you know..... good).
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XIV is using a job system, as far as I know. Wikipedia has a solid entry on what we know so far about it.
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When the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII started, I believe something was mentioned where they wanted it to end on its 20th anniversary.
I'd say, if we're getting a remake, it'd be happening in 2017.
That would make sense. Right now they can still sell it successfully as a download as they're probably catching many new fans with the compilation series. Well, it would sell without new fans, but I'm saying the compilation is a boost.
A remake to finish off the compilation would be a tremendous way to wrap things up. If sales of the downloadable VII have dried up some by then it'll only be a boost to the sales of the remake.
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If FFVII was a title on a future Sony system, it would shift consoles, particularly to people who might have been disappointed with the PS3. I think a FFVII remake would save Sony.
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Even if the PS3 isn't selling as well as other consoles I don't think it needs any saving. We'll probably pick one up when it gets down around $200.
As for VII shifting consoles Sony had better fork over some money to SquareEnix for that to happen. If I were controlling the VII property I would want a remake going to a console that has a tremendous base already installed just to be sure I don't hurt the property by unexpected poor sales.
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I meant shifting as in selling. I know a ton of people who would buy whatever console a FFVII remake was on.
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I know what you meant, I just think with a brand like VII they'll want an established base rather than be thinking about what they can do for Sony. People will buy a console for VII, I agree, but how much is hard to judge, especially if you start putting price tags as high as the PS3 originally was or face putting a strain on the console's supply chain so that people can't get one when they're ready to buy.
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If FFVII was a title on a future Sony system, it would shift consoles, particularly to people who might have been disappointed with the PS3. I think a FFVII remake would save Sony.
I don't think anyone is disappointed in the PS3 as a console at all, it has by far the best features and services out of today's consoles.
But if we're talking about games and how the PS3 "HAZ NO GAMEZ" that's bullshite. It has great games, but the only people who complain are the people who want to play party games and be all social and whatnot with their friends rather than playing more long, 'hardcore gamer' games.
Not to mention the Nintendo fanboys who would rather cut their genitalia off with a dull spoon than buy a game that doesn't involve platform jumping.
And it would suck major ass if a FFVII remake came out on anything other than a Sony console. It would lose all of its novelty at that point and go straight to the gullets of the thousands of 'I never played FF games but 7 is teh best them' gamers.
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VII has already been released on PC for years.
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Yeah, but that's different. VIII has as well.
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I don't think anyone is disappointed in the PS3 as a console at all, it has by far the best features and services out of today's consoles.
But if we're talking about games and how the PS3 "HAZ NO GAMEZ" that's bullshite. It has great games, but the only people who complain are the people who want to play party games and be all social and whatnot with their friends rather than playing more long, 'hardcore gamer' games.
Not to mention the Nintendo fanboys who would rather cut their genitalia off with a dull spoon than buy a game that doesn't involve platform jumping.
And it would suck major ass if a FFVII remake came out on anything other than a Sony console. It would lose all of its novelty at that point and go straight to the gullets of the thousands of 'I never played FF games but 7 is teh best them' gamers.
lol at this post.
Hmm, I wonder if Sony will follow suit with their next console and name it PS4. It seems like they'd have to stop eventually...
Why would they have to stop? Square Enix continues to name the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series with numbers, and are showing no signs of stopping. I think there are enough whole numbers to last quite awhile. :P
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I would definitely buy any system a FFVII remake came out on (once the price was decent, of course). Heck, same with Kingdom Hearts 3. The only thing keeping me from getting anything now is that I've been playing MMOs so much recently that I really have NO idea what other games I'd get.
edit: As for the FFVII DTF playthrough, if I remember later tonight I'll take a look at a walkthrough and see if I can find some decent places to stop every week.
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I don't think anyone is disappointed in the PS3 as a console at all, it has by far the best features and services out of today's consoles.
Ummm...it does? Xbox Live is light years ahead of PSN.
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Eh, you get what you pay for. PSN is lackluster compared to Xbox Live, but it's also free, so it suits my needs pretty well. Online gaming is overrated anyway.
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I don't think anyone is disappointed in the PS3 as a console at all, it has by far the best features and services out of today's consoles.
Ummm...it does? Xbox Live is light years ahead of PSN.
I meant mostly in terms of hardware. And the differences in the live services aren't really that substantial.
EDIT: Also, if I don't like something related to games, I not only don't like it, I hate it. So don't mind any of my gaming posts.
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I don't think anyone is disappointed in the PS3 as a console at all, it has by far the best features and services out of today's consoles.
Ummm...it does? Xbox Live is light years ahead of PSN.
I meant mostly in terms of hardware. And the differences in the live services aren't really that substantial.
Yes they are. A system where you can't voice chat with friends playing a different game than you is useless to me.
Lets not turn this into a console debate thread though.
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Back to an FF related topic. I've played minimal parts of VI, VIII, and IX, and I want to pick one of those up again, but I can't choose which one. Help me out.
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IX then VI then VIII
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VI then IX then VIII
Fixed
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Lies.
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VI then IX then VIII
Fixed
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Man, I love the graphics of IX, but everyone loves VI.
I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE.
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IX gets boring as hell at around the 3rd disk.
VI is incredible the whole time, has as a great story (not to mention probably the best villain of the whole FF series).
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IX is the best game ever made. Just saying.
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Well, I guess I'll play some VI.
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I wasn't really that big of a fan IX. Learning you abilities from weapons annoyed me.
VIII is the best them.
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IX is the best game ever made. Just saying.
Any game with this character in it cannot be the best anything:
(https://maxpages.com/files/aeriscodes/Big%20Quina.jpg)
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IX is the best game ever made. Just saying.
Any game with this character in it cannot be the best anything:
(https://maxpages.com/files/aeriscodes/Big%20Quina.jpg)
It can be the best PS1 FF game.
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IX is the best game ever made. Just saying.
Any game with this character in it cannot be the best anything:
*snip*
You could say the same thing about VII:
(https://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/art/ff7-caitsith.jpg)
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But you didn't have to use Cait Sith. IIRC, you had to actually use Quina.
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Not really, and if so, only a few times. He/she is mostly an optional character.
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I actually didn't like most of the characters from IX. Vivi was cool, but the rest were pretty meh. Zidane is a horrible lead character.
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Zidane is a horrible lead character.
Yeah. Strong character development is such a drag, man.
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Compared to earlier games in the series, hell even compared to FFX, the character development in IX sucks.
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I guess if your perception of reality is significantly altered by hallucinogenic drugs then that might be true. But to those of us living in reality land, IX had some pretty strong character development, especially in Zidane and Garnet.
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To those of us that have played better RPG's, we have higher standards for character development and storyline.
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Neither game has phenomenal character development. That's what Lunar is for :D
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Neither game has phenomenal character development. That's what Lunar is for :D
o shit, son!
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To those of us that have played better RPG's, we have higher standards for character development and storyline.
I've played metric fucktons of RPGs, so there's no way that statement was directed at me.
Neither game has phenomenal character development. That's what Lunar is for :D
My copy of Lunar got destroyed by my little sister the second day I had it. :-\
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Oh god. You need to find some way to play it.
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All I remember is that it was one of the Playstation ones. It looked like it was going to be cool while it lasted. I think I started Grandia II after it broke.
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Funny enough, I tried out Grandia 1 and 2 but never finished them. They never clicked.
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The character development in IX is awesome. I love VI, but it's definitely not as good or as epic as IX.
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Compared to earlier games in the series, hell even compared to FFX, the character development in IX sucks.
Yeah. It wasn't like the character development in IX was one of the main things it was praised for or anything.
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I'm having fun with VI so far. I did the scenario with Terra first, and I think I'm about halfway through Sabin's scenario where you get Shadow and Cyan. It's mostly satisfying. Kefka's a good villain.
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You have to pick up Quina to progress in the story when you have to find your way to Gargan Roo through Q's marsh, and I think his / her side story is cute, too, along with Vivi's. I've never really been a huge fan of blue magic either way.
What I liked about IX was the old fashioned fairy tale story telling style, the chibi graphics and the adorable characters. If you look at a game like XII there's basically no character bonding between the characters that didn't already know eachother. By the end sure, everyone's all buddy buddy but no one seems like they're a tight-knitted group as they do in IX or even X.
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Hmm... I'm going to order the games in the series from favorite to least just for the hell of it...
1. VII (The greatest, deepest storyline of any FF, in my opinion. Not to mention the soundtrack is embedded into my brain, along with most of the dialogue.)
2. VI (Though Kefka is vastly superior to Sephiroth, and I love the characters more than VII's.)
3. IX (Played since I was ten. So much nostalgia, and great characters.)
4. V (If only for the job system. I want another FF game like this.)
5. X (Annoying lead hero and annoying lead villain, but everything else was great. And I love Blitzball.)
6. IV (Oh, Kain. How easy you are to mind control.)
7. XII (Vann and Penelo have absolutely no use to the story and Vayne is pretty generic, and though the battle system wasn't really my thing, I can't deny this is a great game.)
8. II (The first with a compelling story & characters)
9. I (The game that started it all)
10. VIII (I think if I played through again today I would enjoy it a lot more. I was spoiled with VII and IX)
11. III (I could only ever play the DS version of this. Not a bad game, but I can't rate it fairly.)
12. XI (God's bane to a world of sin)
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If you look at a game like XII there's basically no character bonding between the characters that didn't already know eachother. By the end sure, everyone's all buddy buddy but no one seems like they're a tight-knitted group as they do in IX or even X.
I'm not sure I agree with that on XII. Especially since by the end Balthier was clearly Vaan's mentor, that relationship grew tight. Fran opened up some, which from her character or species wouldn't with someone she isn't close to. Scenes where they teased Vaan and Penelo showed they were able to open up to one another.
I definitely felt like the group in XII demonstrated a tightening bond throughout the game.. Part of it might be the way a player responds to characters, if you lacked interest in the characters perhaps it just made it them feel less intimate overall.
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The character development in IX is awesome. I love VI, but it's definitely not as good or as epic as IX.
IX is probably my second favorite FF game; I love it. But it can't touch VI, in any category. IMO, Final Fantasy VI is the greatest video game ever conceived.
Again, it is likely that nostalgia factors in significantly to the aforementioned opinion. :neverusethis:
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IX is the best game ever made. Just saying.
Any game with this character in it cannot be the best anything:
(https://maxpages.com/files/aeriscodes/Big%20Quina.jpg)
Someone else already pointed out Cait Sith, one character doesn't make a game horrible or not possibly some greatest game. I did find out why Cait Sith has a Scottish or Irish accent in Dirge of Cerberus, though. The Cait Sith is a mythical creature from there, any body actually heard of the Cait Sith prior to FFVII?
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Look about three posts down from the post you quoted.
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Already did, I was in the process of editing.
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The mythical creature is called "cat sith" not "cait sith" but yes.
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Finally got FFVII downloaded on my PS3, but my PSP memory card isn't big enough to support it. Oh well. When are we playing together?
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When we have more people and we get suggestions on where to separate the weeks.
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Discs :neverusethis:
Alternatively...Midgar, Junon, Cosmo Canyon, Rocket Town, Temple of the Ancients, Disc, halfway through the glacier, end of the glacier, I don't remember the rest of disc 2, getting cloud back, disc, disc?
That's horribly slow though imo. Something in between? If I can get a good FFVII I don't want it to be like OoT where I had every heart piece but 4 before the Water Temple :p
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I don't know. In my playthrough right now, I'm currently at Cosmo Canyon. The problem is most of the first disc is painfully slow no matter how you slice it. Though, I suppose Midgar would work as one segment. Disc 3 is definitely worthy of being one segment though.
Either way, I probably won't be too keen on starting this until I'm further in my current playthrough. I'll think on it.
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If we want to do some sort of play through we could come up with another game.... it doesn't have to be FFVII, since some people are going through on their own and others are playing it for the first time and I wouldn't want to rush them.
Unfortunately, the only other FF games I own are 8, Tactics, and Anthology (5 and 6).
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VII and X are the only ones I've beaten. :lol
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I would be up for a Tactics playthrough. That game is so discouragingly hard that some sort of accountability in the form of a playthrough might help me get through it.
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I'd be up for a different game. I have them all except the original Tactics (and the shitty spin-offs like Crystal Chronicles), and Tactics would actually would fit on my PSP so I'm contemplating buying it on the PSN store.
Question - FFVII came out on the PS Store, Tactics three months later, and VIII another three after that. Does that mean we can expect IX in March?
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Tactics sounds great... I've been wanting to go through again lately. And, yeah, we'll likely have to consider time spent sitting around leveling when deciding where to split things :lol
Anyone else?
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I might download a ROM of Tactics and join you guys. I've never played it before.
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I'd be up for a different game. I have them all except the original Tactics (and the shitty spin-offs like Crystal Chronicles), and Tactics would actually would fit on my PSP so I'm contemplating buying it on the PSN store.
Question - FFVII came out on the PS Store, Tactics three months later, and VIII another three after that. Does that mean we can expect IX in March?
Why not get the remake of Tactics on the PSP? Not sure how much of a change it was from the original, but if you're going to play it on the PSP it seems pretty reasonable to go that way.
Also, the DS Crystal Chronicle games are really quite good. Both are very solid single player games for handhelds. I'd absolutely recommend them for DS owners that like Final Fantasy. The story and world feel like Final Fantasy, only it is an action based environment.
I haven't played any of the console ones so can't comment, but I do think the shitty label they get is undeserved based on what I've seen. The GameCube one looked like if you could get four people all with GBA hookups to play together it would have been a great game.
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Anybody play the Valkyrie Profile series? A major character in that series is Lezard, who Lazard in Crisis Core happens to look awfully similar to.
Lezard:
(https://www.wallpaperez.info/wallpaper/games/s/Valkyrie-Profile-Lenneth-Lezard-1005.jpg)
Lazard:
(https://www.ffinsider.net/crisis-core/images/char-lazard.jpg)
It was the first thing I thought of when they introduced Lazard in Crisis Core, nice reference from SquareEnix.
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So, if we're going to do the Tactics playthrough, who all will be in? Might as well start making a list. In fact, just respond with which games you would be in for a playthrough of.
List:
Me (any but X, X-2, XII, TA2, or either CC)
Ehra (T, 5-8)
Elsydeon (any, prefer pre-6)
yorost? (VIII)
Glaurung (I, II, VII, VIII, XII)
Arcaeus (II, V, VI, VII, IX, XII)
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Yep, I'm up for Tactics.
I'd also be willing to do 5, 6, 7, and 8.
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Maybe. I haven't decided yet.
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Man, I just stomped all over some of the bosses I usually have a bit of trouble with on FFX.
All my aeons, so far, do 9999 damage with their overdrive and I've only got 4 (I've been able to do that since I had 3 though) :hat
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It's amazing what training can do. My brother trains so much when he plays FFX that Nemesis is easy.
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So, if we're going to do the Tactics playthrough, who all will be in? Might as well start making a list. In fact, just respond with which games you would be in for a playthrough of.
List:
Me (any but X, X-2, XII, TA2, or either CC)
Ehra (T, 5-8)
I'd be up for a playthrough. Any game is fine with me
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The playthrough thing, can someone explain how quickly this goes? I might be up for it, but I'm not sure if I could keep the same pace since I tend to play in big spurts on days I take off.
FFVIII would be good since I have it but have not played it, but assume I am not going to play when you pick a game.
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I would prefer something older... like 6 or earlier. But whatever you want
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The playthrough thing, can someone explain how quickly this goes? I might be up for it, but I'm not sure if I could keep the same pace since I tend to play in big spurts on days I take off.
What we do is divide the game into a series of sorta checkpoints, and everyone tries to reach a certain checkpoint by the week that that checkpoint is assigned to, for example, when we did the Ocarina of Time one, we did one temple a week. Then, at the end of the week, everyone comes back to the thread and posts about their experiences, posts screenshots, etc.
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I recently played X so if we do a playthrough the only ones I can play are I, II, VII, VIII, or XII
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My votes are for II, V, VI, VII, IX or XII
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Well since my last post I've gotten partway through both II & VII so my vote is for V :neverusethis:
But I'm willing to stop playing and wait for you guys if you decide to do VII (I'm at Corel Prison now, the desert beneath the Gold Saucer, about 7-9 hours in)...
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Just playing X now and, for some reason, the AI seems to have spazzed out and the machina just won't attack me. This would normally not be annoying but I'm trying to get my aeons to overdrive :lol
Also, my Nexus One allows me to play FF6 at full speed :D
Edit: Just completely owned Seymour Flux on my first go. Bahamut did 20k damage to him :|
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Final Fantasy II = A New Hope
Orphan joins rebel force against evil empire
Firion = Luke (Girly orphan rebel)
The Emperor = The Emperor (obviously)
Dreadnought = Death Star (another obvious)
Leon = Darth Vader (falls to the dark side and tries to usurp the Emperor)
Hilda = Leia (Princess, parents are killed, held hostage on the Dreadnought, must be rescued)
Minwu = Obi-wan (sacrifices himself for more power, Minwu sacrifices himself for the Ultima tome)
Guy = CHEWBACCA
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Final Fantasy II = A New Hope
Orphan joins rebel force against evil empire
Firion = Luke (Girly orphan rebel)
The Emperor = The Emperor (obviously)
Dreadnought = Death Star (another obvious)
Leon = Darth Vader (falls to the dark side and tries to usurp the Emperor)
Hilda = Leia (Princess, parents are killed, held hostage on the Dreadnought, must be rescued)
Minwu = Obi-wan (sacrifices himself for more power, Minwu sacrifices himself for the Ultima tome)
Guy = CHEWBACCA
I have always disliked these comparisons, actually.
Firion and Luke are not that close, other than being in a rebellion. Firion was an orphan, Luke was raised by family while not truly being an orphan. We might as well say they match up to Vaan(XII), Tidus(X), Zidane(IX), Cecil(IV), and Luneth(III). Many Final Fantasy leads had parents that died prior to the game or they never really knew.
The emperor is not in A New Hope, nor is their a strong notion that the one in Star Wars might descend into Hell and return with vengeance.
Dreadnought is similar in idea to the Death Star, sure. Without the Dreadnought the other comparisons might never happen, though.
Leon was not Firion's father. Leon did not usurp the emperor, he merely tried to take his place after the emperor was killed by others, but foiled when the emeperor returned from Hell. Vader killed the emperor after turning back to the light side. For Leon it was left ambiguous if he really turned to the light side or just had little choice and felt a duty to his friends... it is also questionable if he was ever really against the emperor in the beginning. Vader also never actually faced the rebellion and worked for them.
Hilda was not held hostage on the Dreadnought, that was an imposter in case she was rescued. Yes, Hilda's parents were killed in the beginning of the game, but Leia's father was Vader.
Minwu fully expected complete death in order to give others the power of the ultima tome, those he had come to trust in the game. ObiWan knew he was going to live on through the force.
Guy ~ Chewbacca is forced. Who represents Han? Guy is slow of speech, Chewbacca seems to say a mouthful throughout the movies, we just don't understand it. They're big and strong, oh boy. Oh, and Guy speaks at least two languages, Chewbacca seems to know only one.
The comparisons are almost entirely superficial and forced. The relation of various events and characters just don't line up to make it as interesting as people like to make it out to be.
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
Because Squaresoft has a personal grudge against you.
So I guess this playthrough's not happening, huh?
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
Because Squaresoft has a personal grudge against you.
Probably.
I am NOT dodging 200 lightning bolts in a row to get part of Lulu's weapon.
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Yeah, they were mostly forced jokes, especially the Guy thing :P When you really get down to the characters and the fine details of the plot, it's all very different, yes, but the basic premise for both is "Orphan(s) joins rebellion force to fight evil empire with an easily-destroyed superweapon". Kind of like Eragon (and a lot of fantasy plots), except FFII and Star Wars are awesome, where Eragon isn't.
And yeah... I couldn't wait... I'm at the Temple of the Ancients in Final Fantasy VII now. I have no idea how to kill the 4-Eye things though that guard the treasure, though, they two-shot me :|
I'm trying to get into Final Fantasy XII again... I mean, I like it, but every time I try to play, I stop midway through, don't play for a few months, and decide to start all over instead of continue my old game when I pick it back up again. And since I've replaced my PS2 with a PS3 (an older model version that can play PS2 games), I'll have to start over again :yeahright
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Yeah, they were mostly forced jokes, especially the Guy thing :P When you really get down to the characters and the fine details of the plot, it's all very different, yes, but the basic premise for both is "Orphan(s) joins rebellion force to fight evil empire with an easily-destroyed superweapon". Kind of like Eragon (and a lot of fantasy plots), except FFII and Star Wars are awesome, where Eragon isn't.
I'm just touchy on II. :p It's my favourite one.
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Oh, I wasn't trying to insult it, I'm playing through the GBA remake now and it's making its way up my list of favorites, I love it :lol
also helps that both Firion and the Emperor are my favorite characters in Dissidia, which I have played at least an hour every day since I bought it :\
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I definitely like what they did with those two in Dissidia. How far have you gone in the game? I've cleared Shade Impulse with Firion, but took a break from the game after that... to play the FFII PSP remake, actually. How are the story sections you can unlock after Shade Impulse?
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Unlocked all characters, got two to 100 (Firion and Terra; Cloud, Zidane and the Emperor are next), have every mode unlocked besides the Blackjack Duel Colosseum course, mostly just trying to get good enough to finish the final story mode (fucking lvl 130 Chaos).
There's three story modes more after Shade Impulse, I think. They're obviously not as filled with actual story as it effectively ends with Shade Impulse, but you can get two more characters, and then there's a final arc that explains the more vague plot points from Shade Impulse. I still haven't beaten it though, I tried with lvl 100 Firion and Terra and got my ass kicked. I think I need to get 'em more accessories and max out their abilities... :yeahright
Is the FFII PSP remake worth buying if I already have the Dawn of Souls version?
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Well, the remake has much improved graphics during battle, one or two FMV's that were on the PS1 version, does include the Dawn of Souls chapter you get after the game, and a bonus dungeon during the game that is actually kind of nice for both extra gameplay and back story on the world. The big plus, in my opinion, is that PSP games come in packages that one can reasonably keep in good condition, unlike GBA games, and it is nice to have versions of the FFI and FFII where they are not bundled together.
Depends how much those things matter to you.
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Addicted to Final Fantasy VII... just finished the Northern Crater (first visit), where Cloud finally loses it, falls into the Lifestream and I'm at the point where Tifa becomes the main playble character for a short while and you get the Highwind (which is still awesome).
After I'm done with this, I'll finish up II, then skip ahead to V (the job system is great in that game, I wish one of the modern ones attempted something like that again).
I honestly think I'll pass on XIII entirely, though Versus looks good.
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How could you not be excited for XIII? It's the first game on a new system, and those have a hell of a track record. IV, VII, X. I can't stand the wait.
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Yeah, XIII is looking to be pretty amazing so far.
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Yeah, XIII is looking to be pretty amazing so far.
I just listened to the OST for ff13, it's pretty epic
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I dunno, I'm just having a hard time getting excited; early Japanese reviews have stated the game to be extremely linear, and screenshots of maps seem to indicate that the entire game is more or less one big hallway, with combat seemingly annoying at times (if Lightning, main character chick, is K.O.'d, game over, even if everyone else is fine). The characters seem to be pretty cool, if standard FF, though I'll wait to see what their characterization is like (I like Lightning already), but still, I have the feeling that, like XII, it will be less of a game and more of a movie - except even more so.
It's not like I'll be able to afford it anyways :lol but I'll definitely give it a chance. It's Final Fantasy, for fuck's sake, this series RAISED me.
I digress; I find I want a FFVII remake more and more every day - while there's a ton of things that could go easily wrong (and I mean a ton), just the thought of seeing some of the more epic, classic moments of the game with current-gen graphics and sound... damn!
Though I do not want to see high-detail crossdressing Cloud for the Don Corneo mansion infiltration plot.
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Final Fantasy X was more or less a big hallway too. As far as Lightning, it seems like you should just be able to devote your attention to keeping her alive. I don't see it as being a big deal. Hopefully she'll be more powerful than the rest though. I can't imagine how frustrating X would have been if the game was over whenever Tidus died.
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True, and I'll be much more motivated to keep a badass chick like Lightning alive than I would be the whiny blond jock that is Tidus :lol
As for the hallway thing, yeah, X was more linear than previous installments (I miss world maps, but I understand they would be completely ridiculous and outdated in a modern game), but at least there were puzzles and the like to solve (that's one thing I missed in XII, there were hardly any). Now, I can't judge XIII and say there aren't any when I haven't even played the game yet, but someone took screenshots of the minimaps of the areas in the first half of the game and put them all side by side and it honestly looks like one big straight hallway with fight after fight. Still, shame on me, I'll try to avoid further judgment before I actually own it. :lol
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Yeah, XIII is looking to be pretty amazing so far.
I just listened to the OST for ff13, it's pretty epic
Oh shit! I forgot that came out already!
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The long line map spoken of for XIII is very reminiscent of X, that's very disappointing, but we'll see.
XII definitely had puzzles, they were just more integrated into the world more than in X. There was trying to hunt down an artifact in Dalmasca that opened of the Necrohol of Nabudis, that matching puzzle in Archadia to gain those sticks, and figuring out how to get the Cockatrice's back to their home had a few puzzles. If I had to guess I ran in to more puzzles in XII than in X, they were just more indirect in presentation. X was plopping you into a room and telling you to solve a puzzle.
edit: I would clarify that I think the puzzles were more frequent in X as they were very regular, but XII just had so much content beyond the primary story.
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
I remember spending like 2 days straight doing that stupid chocobo race for Tidus's powerup. There were so many times I was a fraction of a second away from 0:0:0; I remember lots of swearing.
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
I remember spending like 2 days straight doing that stupid chocobo race for Tidus's powerup. There were so many times I was a fraction of a second away from 0:0:0; I remember lots of swearing.
haha Same here. And then when my brother plays it he gets the sigil on his fifth try. I was not a happy panda.
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Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
I remember spending like 2 days straight doing that stupid chocobo race for Tidus's powerup. There were so many times I was a fraction of a second away from 0:0:0; I remember lots of swearing.
haha Same here. And then when my brother plays it he gets the sigil on his fifth try. I was not a happy panda.
I can usually get that sigil with in a couple hours, it's just luck really.
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NICE AVATAR.
Why are the best weapons in FFX so much fucking hassle to get? I've got some of them but powering them up takes FOREVER.
I remember spending like 2 days straight doing that stupid chocobo race for Tidus's powerup. There were so many times I was a fraction of a second away from 0:0:0; I remember lots of swearing.
Fuck that. I'm not even attempting that one.
I got Yuna's the other day (pretty easy compared to the rest) and FUUUUUU holy is powerful.
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The only three I ever bother getting fully powered up are Auron's, Tidus' and Yuna's, since those were my main characters if I didn't need to do anything special with the others.
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I've been leveling up everyone equally so I'll feel bad if I don't get everyone else's :neverusethis:
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Oh I make sure everyone gets at least one turn in every battle so they're all the same level. But after everyone gets their one move or they use a specific skill I need every now and then I used Auron, Tidus and Yuna much more than anyone else.
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Wakka's World Champion when fully powered up does more damage in one turn than any other character's CW. It's worth getting if you want to succeed in the Monster Arena.
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That means playing Blitzball though :(
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Should I buy The War of the Lions on the PSP (I need more games for this), or just buy the original Final Fantasy Tactics on the PlayStation Network for the PS3?
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That means playing Blitzball though :(
Am I the only one who actually liked Blitzball? My team kicked ass. Hell, I even beat the Luca goers with the Aurochs the first time you visit Luca.
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That means playing Blitzball though :(
Am I the only one who actually liked Blitzball? My team kicked ass. Hell, I even beat the Luca goers with the Aurochs the first time you visit Luca.
Nope, Blitzball is my favorite FF minigame. :tup I beat the Goers too, but not until my third or fourth playthrough when I understood how the fucking thing worked better :lol
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I beat the Luca Goers as well.
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Should I buy The War of the Lions on the PSP (I need more games for this), or just buy the original Final Fantasy Tactics on the PlayStation Network for the PS3?
Go with Tactics, and put it on a PSP memory stick.
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What's the advantage of Tactics over War of the Lions?
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The long line map spoken of for XIII is very reminiscent of X, that's very disappointing, but we'll see.
XII definitely had puzzles, they were just more integrated into the world more than in X. There was trying to hunt down an artifact in Dalmasca that opened of the Necrohol of Nabudis, that matching puzzle in Archadia to gain those sticks, and figuring out how to get the Cockatrice's back to their home had a few puzzles. If I had to guess I ran in to more puzzles in XII than in X, they were just more indirect in presentation. X was plopping you into a room and telling you to solve a puzzle.
edit: I would clarify that I think the puzzles were more frequent in X as they were very regular, but XII just had so much content beyond the primary story.
This, XII wasn't linear at all really, there was essentially a world map, only it was actually full size instead of the silly things you got in the old games. X was very linear though.
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That means playing Blitzball though :(
Am I the only one who actually liked Blitzball? My team kicked ass. Hell, I even beat the Luca goers with the Aurochs the first time you visit Luca.
Nope, Blitzball is my favorite FF minigame. :tup I beat the Goers too, but not until my third or fourth playthrough when I understood how the fucking thing worked better :lol
I loved Blitzball but there's the way it's the best FF minigame. The card game in VIII was just too addicting.
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I also loved blitzball
It was a bit unbalanced though. Your team sucked in the beginning, but past a certain point it was way too easy.
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That's true. Just get Tudis, Wakka and Brother (airship pilot) on the front lines and they can't really stop you from scoring.
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Wait, what did I miss in this thread? *points at avatar* are you guys replaying FF games? If so, I'd love to join. I've been eager to play through FFVII, VIII, IX, X and Tactics for quite some time now and I think this is the perfect excuse for doing so :D
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I'm still up for a playthrough of VII or VIII. But if we do it I'd rather it not take any longer than a month since XIII comes out then and I'm dropping everything to play it.
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*shrug* Seems like VII is a common denominator in all of this. Shall we?
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That just means we're back to the same problem of deciding on some checkpoints though. :lol
I'll ask my friend who has the game pretty much memorized what he thinks some good spots would be.
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This is a good idea. Worse comes to worse, we could just use Gyno's idea.
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Discs? I could probably manage that but I'm sure there are people much busier than I that wouldn't have that much time. What if we split each of the first two discs in half and that was the checkpoint for those. The third disc is short enough (if I remember correctly, it's been years since I've played it) that it can be it's own block. We would just have to decide what event in the game is half way.
That seem manageable enough?
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Discs? I could probably manage that but I'm sure there are people much busier than I that wouldn't have that much time.
No. Discs would be borderline suicide. Midgar, Junon, Rocket Town, Temple, Disc, Halfway through Glacier, end of Glacier, getting Cloud back, disc, disc.
I think that's what he posted. I can't be bothered to check though.
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I kind of ninja edited my previous post. I suppose that would work. It might take a while if those are the checkpoints for a week each though. A concern for me is finishing before XIII comes out because I will not want to play VII then.
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Even if we split it in half, we'd still be running over XIII's release, and we'd have to start NOW.
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Well if I'm the only one who wants to finish before XIII comes out I'll just play anyways and make an effort to play both at the same time. If other people would rather wait too then I guess we could just do this later. Some input from other people would be nice.
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The XIII soundtrack kicks a lot of ass. Can't wait to play the game.
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I've been trying to get through VII on my PSP for about 3 months now. It definitely does not have the same spark it did all those years ago where I'd set an alarm for 4am to get in some game time before school... tis a shame.
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Well, of course it's not going to have the same feeling as your first time through, back when it was newer. That goes for any game. It's still extremely fun.
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I'm not sure I agree. I can still play through early Sonic and Mario and still think they're awesome after all these years, and even Metal Gear 1 & 2 are still fun after the 4th or 5th time through. FFVII just isn't fun anymore. Meh.
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Final Fantasy X-2
Story
Clearly the story of this game was a downgrade from X, but seeing as it is a sequel and is based off of many elements in a world you already know it wasn't too bad. It was generally more light-hearted, but considering Yuna's Calm arriving many of these things didn't feel out of place. It was what it was in these regards, a sequel meant for people already familiar with the world.
However, the method in which the story was told was a major improvement over X. I like this basic kind of storytelling for games, many episodes to flesh things out tied together with a primary line, opposed to the straight line, movie-esque X. In the end I did about 75% completion and was happy with that. Between the mission briefs and being in locations in earlier chapters it was easy to avoid most elements of the game I did not like. The first chapter was the only one I ever felt over trodden with annoyance, but that was my choice to at least preview all the episodes. The primary story had some annoying bits that were not skippable, oh well.
Characters
Mostly a wash between the two games. Brother was as odd as ever, to say the least, but there was less Cid. Luckily Brother came in doses. I ended up really liking some of the newer characters, though, especially Paine, Ormi, and Logos.
Battle
Big improvement here. I liked getting the ATB back, and with some nuances to expand it from the PS games. Character swapping and the sphere grid was replaced by the dressphere and abilities, which was another improvement. Granted, I'm talking about the North American sphere grid system, which was very restrictive, as I cannot compare to the International's expert sphere grid. Characters were easily customizable and one could utilize multiple aspects of a characters in the significant battles.
Battles were generally more challenging, too. That was not because the game was necessarily more difficult but because the star system to grade the episodes allows you to tailor the order in which you do things, and that was what I wanted. I liked spending my gaming time in the harder episodes I had an interest in and limiting my time in the easier ones.
Brief Points
Equipment was a terrible aspect of both games, maybe a little better in X due to customization.
Navigation of the airship was sad, would have loved to see X-2 make it more interactive, like on a world map, as it was so prevelant in the game.
Neither game had great world structure, one big line, would have been great for X-2 to redo this or expand it.
Music was enjoyable. Although different, it felt right for the most part, and as it was not a main series entry the refocus didn't bother me. Nothing beats Sin's theme from X, though. :p
Overall
This is what you get when a mediocre game with a good story is heralded as one of the greatest games ever made upon release. There was no way this was going to compete with X in story without completely cheapening the significance of what happened in X, so we basically got an epilogue tied together with some dramatic chaos in bringing Tidus back. In exchange, we got to keep some lousy aspects of X because we all love that game so much. Luckily, they improved the battle system and freed us up to control our experiences in the game. Neither game was particularly great, but both were nice to play.
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X-2 was probably my least favourite FF game. I thought it was a bit of a push over (I mean, you could set it up so that your characters just went in a circle for ages while one person healed and everyone else attacked while you went off and did something else).
There was that creepy mini game where you had to give the massage as well.
To get 100% felt like way too much effort. Watching all those sphere things was incredibly boring (particularly because you had to watch them for a certain amount of time).
I liked how easy it was to customise the characters but, to be honest, I setup my characters to be a certain class early on and I left them at that class for the rest of the game.
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I still haven't played V or VI, and I have only started VIII, but right now X and X-2, if counted as a main series game, would be my least two favourites in the series.
It occurred to me you could do that for training your characters. My favourite, II, has some similar flaws with being able to train yourself by attacking your own team. The thing is, I avoid those things since they lessen the game to me so usually end up just not caring that it could be done.
As for 100%, I'm not concerned as I usually only end up going the completionist route if I really love the game.
You stuck with single classes? I didn't stick down to a class until chapter 5 with Yuna/Gun Mage, Rikku/Samurai, and Paine/Lady Luck. That was when I got rings that accessed skills from other dresspheres.
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I just don't understand how someone could NOT like X. That had some of the most touching moments in video game history in it.
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I liked X, the story was great. It was the game part of the game that wasn't very good.
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I loved everything about the game except for some cheesy dialogue.
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I loved everything about the game except for some cheesy dialogue.
and the laughing scene. That can go die. The rest of the game is just pure win though.
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"HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA"
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And the music oh the Mihen High Road. OH GOD IT WAS SO ANNOYING!
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And the music oh the Mihen High Road. OH GOD IT WAS SO ANNOYING!
It's not that bad.
XIII's soundtrack is my favorite one since VIII. I'm getting really excited for this game.
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13's soundtrack is great. i love the main theme they use in lightning's theme and the battle theme
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And the music oh the Mihen High Road. OH GOD IT WAS SO ANNOYING!
It's not that bad.
Na, it wasn't. I never really thought about it until now (just YouTubed the song to see which one it was).
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Yeah, it's not really that bad. Never even occurred to me to pay any particular attention to it until now. It sounds really familiar to something from an older Final Fantasy, anybody know if that was the case or if I'm just imagining things?
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A youtube comment said it's similar to a FF3 song. I wouldn't know.
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One thing I've noticed is that they tend to recycle musical lines here and there. For instance the bass line that introduces the battle theme in 9 is similar to that of 6 ... or 3.
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Just pre-ordered XIII. Didn't realise it was out next month :omg:
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Holy crap! I need to get something to play it on! :P
Started VII again this week, got myself a psx emulator for my laptop so I can play my old PS1 games! :D
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N00B.
I have a PS2 (slim) hooked up to one of my computer monitors (needed to get one of these AV converter box things) so I can play PS1/PS2 games.
Just get an Xbox Arcade with a memory card or a USB stick if you're looking for a cheap way to play it.
ROLL ON MARCH 9TH.
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I picked up FF9 yesterday... I keep hearing that it's a great game, so I'm going to give it a shot.
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:tup
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N00B.
I have a PS2 (slim) hooked up to one of my computer monitors (needed to get one of these AV converter box things) so I can play PS1/PS2 games.
Just get an Xbox Arcade with a memory card or a USB stick if you're looking for a cheap way to play it.
ROLL ON MARCH 9TH.
I have a PS2 connected up to a 40-inch TV at home fool, I meant as I'm away with work all the time at the moment. :P
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Get a PSP and mod it so it can play PS1 games then, n00b!
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But I already have a laptop, and now I can play my PS1 games on it. I don't need to waste money to get the same thing.
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Laptops are gay though.
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Laptops are gay though.
No posts that are derogatory toward gender or sexual preference.
Behave boyo, or I'll have to lay the smackdown on you.
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Final Fantasy XIII is less than 3 weeks away. :caffeine:
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Final Fantasy XIII is less than 3 weeks away. :caffeine:
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Final Fantasy XIII is less than 3 weeks away. :caffeine:
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just preordered it tonight
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I think I may have to book some days off :neverusethis:
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A week tomorrow :caffeine:
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Has anyone read any reviews yet? Apparently FFXIII isn't really a return to more traditional FF gameplay after all. Oh well... I'm still excited for it. Kinda...
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Any links to said reviews?
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I have had mine preordered since december. I'm excited but mostly for the graphics. I would rather have the ffxii gameplay.
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I have had mine preordered since december. I'm excited but mostly for the graphics. I would rather have the ffxii gameplay.
N00B.
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Any links to said reviews?
There was a review in Game Informer (yes I know that GI sucks but it was worth it for the edge card) that mentioned how there's no airship and no shops: you buy things from Save Points apparently.
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No airship eh? Strange.
I've never read Game Informer because, as far as I know, we don't get it in the UK.
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The no airships isn't that strange, it was almost just a throwaway aspect of X and XII. It was already dropped down to a facade over a simple menu choice takes you there instantly implementation.
I understand the lack of cities due to time and money, as it makes sense trying to do intricate cities in HD graphics could be very space, time, and money consuming for now. As much as I know it would have pissed people off if they did cities in lower quality graphics, I would prefer that over none at all. Even better might be to just have very limited access to cities to allow prerendered HD graphics.
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Has anyone read any reviews yet? Apparently FFXIII isn't really a return to more traditional FF gameplay after all. Oh well... I'm still excited for it. Kinda...
The combat system is so much more complex as there are so much configurations available. It seems though that once you get it, it will be a lot of fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVQtiLBhHM0
1 week!
then god of war 3 after that :metal
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I understand the lack of cities due to time and money, as it makes sense trying to do intricate cities in HD graphics could be very space, time, and money consuming for now. As much as I know it would have pissed people off if they did cities in lower quality graphics, I would prefer that over none at all.
I knew no stores but no cities? Seriously? Fuck that.
For me, FF is all about the world-building. That's what made my favorites, 7 and 10, so awesome. I don't see how you can have decent world building without towns to explore.
Oh well. I'll still play it, but it's pretty low on my list of games to buy now. I'll certainly get Bioshock 2 of ME2 before it now.
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The music doesn't seem very good either, imo.
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Yup. I knew Square were all about releasing half-assed spin-offs for cash now but I thought the FF series was still kind of sacred. Apparently, getting this game out and having the best graphics possible is more important than having cities.
Well, I'm not gonna judge it before I rent it, but I'm not excited at all now.
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The music doesn't seem very good either, imo.
Are you joking? XIII's soundtrack one of my favorites from the series so far. Lots of great songs in it.
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I have had mine preordered since december. I'm excited but mostly for the graphics. I would rather have the ffxii gameplay.
N00B.
No, I would too, and I am not a FF noob.
The music doesn't seem very good either, imo.
Are you joking? XIII's soundtrack one of my favorites from the series so far. Lots of great songs in it.
However, I will have to give the game this. Amazing, amazing soundtrack.
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Well, I've only listened to the battle themes, and while they're good, they don't fit. At all.
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the new chocobo theme is awesome. so jazzy i love it
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Well, I've only listened to the battle themes, and while they're good, they don't fit. At all.
I haven't heard any of the new soundtrack, so I'm really in no position to talk, but historically the battle themes have not been anything close to the strong points of FF soundtracks. IMO, of course.
-J
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Whaaaat? I mean the boss themes too. The battle themes are always my favorite bit, and the ones from FFXIII are all...cinematic sounding. The regular battle music goes for about a minute before it has a melody. The battle will be over before the song gets started.
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Well yeah, the boss themes tend to be very good. But the regular battle themes are another story. I can't say whether or not the new ones "fit" just yet, but hopefully I'll have time to listen to the soundtrack within the next few days.
-J
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I have had mine preordered since december. I'm excited but mostly for the graphics. I would rather have the ffxii gameplay.
N00B.
No, I would too, and I am not a FF noob.
Note how I also highlighted the fact that he was excited "mostly for the graphics".
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Protip: XII had awful, boring gameplay. True story.
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I thought it was okay but I definitely wouldn't hope for it again.
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Protip: XII had awful, boring gameplay. True story.
XII had really great gameplay.
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The XII battle system took some serious getting used to. It was a totally radical change, and I really hated it at first.
ZOMG ONE WEEK :caffeine:
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XII's battle system was great and very innovative (thought it took some getting used to), which is something that can't be said for any other FF game over the past 15 years or so. It's too bad the game got crucified for creatively stepping outside the ancient formula for once.
-J
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I have made my argument against that battle system countless times and I guess I'll make it again:
If I buy a Final Fantasy game I have certain expectations and expect them to be met. If I buy a Dream Theater album I expect to receive progressive metal. If I recieve synthpop, I will be understandably disappointed. It doesn't matter if it's a really, really great synthpop album, that's not what I thought I was getting. If they had called it something else like "Super Vaan Adventure", that would be fine, but they didn't, they called it "Final Fantasy XII".
Even if they had called it that, I wouldn't have played it because I think it's boring, though. :D
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Another thing I didn't like about XII was the story.
It bored me so much that I can't even remember it.
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If I buy a Final Fantasy game I have certain expectations and expect them to be met. If I buy a Dream Theater album I expect to receive progressive metal. If I recieve synthpop, I will be understandably disappointed. It doesn't matter if it's a really, really great synthpop album, that's not what I thought I was getting. If they had called it something else like "Super Vaan Adventure", that would be fine, but they didn't, they called it "Final Fantasy XII".
I get that sort of, but is there not a point at which the old formula becomes totally stale from being re-used in EVERY...SINGLE...GAME with at most a minor twist? I guess my expectations have more to do with the quality of the game, and I don't mind if they stray from their usual exact mechanics to make it. Sometimes being surprised by something you weren't expecting can be a good thing.
Another thing I didn't like about XII was the story.
Can't argue there.
-J
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Except that I LIKE that battle system, and that's why I play Final Fantasy games.
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If I buy a Final Fantasy game I have certain expectations and expect them to be met. If I buy a Dream Theater album I expect to receive progressive metal. If I recieve synthpop, I will be understandably disappointed. It doesn't matter if it's a really, really great synthpop album, that's not what I thought I was getting. If they had called it something else like "Super Vaan Adventure", that would be fine, but they didn't, they called it "Final Fantasy XII".
I get that sort of, but is there not a point at which the old formula becomes totally stale from being re-used in EVERY...SINGLE...GAME with at most a minor twist? I guess my expectations have more to do with the quality of the game, and I don't mind if they stray from their usual exact mechanics to make it. Sometimes being surprised by something you weren't expecting can be a good thing.
This! They tried something new and I think it worked our really great. It keeps the time gauges and the systems in place for things like magic or status ailments are exactly the same. But it adds whole new elements of strategy other FF games lack. I loved how things like your position/orientation to the enemy and area of effect spells changed the combat. More options is always a good thing for games like this and it showed, especially on boss fights.
I will agree with you on the story though. For most of the game it is pretty boring and there really is no point for the main character to even be there. Though everything picks way up closer to the end of the game, Vann grows a lot and starts to play a much bigger part in the group.
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Except that I LIKE that battle system, and that's why I play Final Fantasy games.
I don't dislike it, it's just kinda been done to death. Whatever, to each his own I suppose. :tup
I will agree with you on the story though. For most of the game it is pretty boring and there really is no point for the main character to even be there. Though everything picks way up closer to the end of the game, Vann grows a lot and starts to play a much bigger part in the group.
I think the characters were fairly weak overall (especially Vaan: I couldn't stand anything about him), as was the plot in general. Probably the weakest story in an FF game that I can remember, although there were a handful of cool characters/scenes.
-J
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I will agree with you on the story though. For most of the game it is pretty boring and there really is no point for the main character to even be there. Though everything picks way up closer to the end of the game, Vann grows a lot and starts to play a much bigger part in the group.
I think the characters were fairly weak overall (especially Vaan: I couldn't stand anything about him), as was the plot in general. Probably the weakest story in an FF game that I can remember, although there were a handful of cool characters/scenes.
-J
They aren't all bad. I really like Baltheir, Basch and Ashe. Fran was just Baltheir's sidekick but I didn't really have a problem with her and Pennelo was a waste of space. Vann started off as a really stupid character but he grows a lot over the course of the game and becomes really important.
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I finished VIII, will post a mini review of it sometime in the next week or so. While I have mostly praise and no substantial criticisms for it, I was left feeling like I should have loved it instead of really loving it.
For the main series games I have played I would rank them:
II
IX
XII
IV
VII
III
VIII
I
X
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VIII is still my favorite FF.
Junctions > Materia
*prepares flame shield*
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I'm usually not THAT bothered about the way magic etc. works in FF games but I really disliked junctioning.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who actually likes it. :lol
But if you use junctions right you can kick some serious ass in that game.
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I didn't really mind junctioning itself, it was drawing it from specific enemies that I wasn't too fond of. I also didn't like having to go out of my way to find the weapon manuals and materials (I never even upgraded anyone's weapons until the very end, where I just made all of the best stuff and skipped everything else).
Other than that, I didn't have any problems with it.
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The only person I would go to any great lengths to upgrade their weapon would be Squall. And only because that's how you got him more limit breaks. Everyone else I only really bothered if I happened to have the right stuff already or only had to mod some cards to get them.
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I liked the junctions, but the system really could have used some better tuning and polish, particularly with drawing and equipping.
Ehra makes a good point about upgrading weapons, I hardly did any upgrades in the game until near the end and never really found a need to do so.
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I'm getting worried about XIII. I've just read a VERY damning review of it.
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For the main series games I have played I would rank them:
II
IX
XII
IV
VII
III
VIII
I
X
Damn it yorost, play VI!!!
-J
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I'm getting worried about XIII. I've just read a VERY damning review of it.
I never really pay attention to reviews for movies or games. Usually they have no idea what they're talking about.
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Well, the review echoed some of the complaints from other people.
As in, it feels like you're going through a tunnel for pretty much the whole game.
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Final Fantasy X did that and it was great. Still not worried.
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Final Fantasy X did that and it was great. Still not worried.
This. I think X had less flexibility that literally every other FF game, but it was still awesome because of the characters and the story.
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X did do that right enough but you can't even backtrack in this, as far as I'm aware (there's not even any towns or cities).
You can't change your party about until about 20 hours in (even though they're all there) and since you only control one character, the game decides to choose which one you control for you (or so I'm told). Apparently, there's an auto attack thing as well and the game can just line up attacks for you without you doing anything and it does it so well that it's tempting just to do it all the time.
That being said, the reviewer said the combat was actually really fun (despite being able to only control one character) and the story was really good.
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I do agree with you to a point, not being able to backtrack and the lack of cities does suck. That's nothing game breaking though.
Also, XII had gambits but it gave you the option to not use them, so I never did. I found the game much more enjoyable without them. It sounds like it's pretty much the same thing with XIII. I probably won't use this auto attack feature either and I'll have a lot more fun playing the game because of it.
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Trust me, I won't be using the auto attack system. I can't imagine having no control over the battle is very exciting.
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Trust me, I won't be using the auto attack system. I can't imagine having no control over the battle is very exciting.
You should try playing Persona. Few things are more...exciting than seeing one of your party members do something incredibly stupid that you need to accommodate for.
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Also, XII had gambits but it gave you the option to not use them, so I never did. I found the game much more enjoyable without them.
It's the quickenings I find dumb as shit, though pretty, gambits didn't bother me, always used them for all but the party leader.
And while I did preorder FFXIII, I can't afford it now, so I'll be waiting until my birthday in July... :facepalm:
I'm playing through XII right now; I want to beat it before XIII comes out. I'm liking it a lot more than the first time I played it; I actually think it may be one of my favorites of the series.
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That happened for me too. The first time I played I didn't even bother finishing it but the second time I loved it.
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For the main series games I have played I would rank them:
II
IX
XII
IV
VII
III
VIII
I
X
Damn it yorost, play VI!!!
-J
:lol
Yeah, yeah, eventually. :p I am really looking forward to VI, but I'm willing to wait a while longer for a re-release with both nice packaging and no other games with it. I was really hoping they would do it for the DS, but that looks unlikely at this point.
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Oh god, you're waiting for a DS remake, really? :facepalm: I bought the III one because that was the only legal way for me to play III, but I avoided IV like the plague.
I'd suggest just getting the GBA version, that's where I first played VI; it's great, and from what I hear it has the best translation (keeping the iconic Ted Woosley lines but being more faithful to the original story/character depictions) :biggrin:
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Oh god, you're waiting for a DS remake, really? :facepalm:
I am not waiting for a DS remake, it just seem like after III and IV they might do V and VI. I don't need the oh god and really remarks. Waiting for a type of release and hoping they might do it on a system it looked plausible on are not the same thing. I don't want it on any particular system, I just want it released in a certain way.
As I said I was willing to wait, for now, for a nice package where each V and VI are standalone, because I want to keep them. I sold previous versions of I and II and waited for what I wanted, and eventually they popped up on the PSP. Maybe I'll play V and VI before they are released again(probably the PS package), but I have no reason to have to go out and get the games immediately simply because I want to play them a lot(well, at least VI).
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ONLY ONE DAY LEFT :caffeine:
I'm tempted to take the day off work to play it :neverusethis:
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ONLY ONE DAY LEFT :caffeine:
I'm tempted to take the day off work to play it :neverusethis:
My buddy did that. I had to :facepalm:.
I probably won't be able to play it until thursday at the latest, and that's IF my parents agree to buy it for me since I bought Mass Effect 2, which everyone but me got to play because our Xbox broke.
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Get a job, n00b :p
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I have one, but I don't get paid until next wednesday, and all my previous paychecks have gone into getting me out of the hole :p
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Pfft. Just do what I do and increase your overdraft even more every month :neverusethis:
Not really but the last months have been bank breaking.
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I can't overdraft myself more, the past three months the government has been overdrafting my account taking back the interest on my student loans. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS EVIL THEY STOP ME FROM PLAYING FINAL FANTASY.
Not that I'd be able to get a copy if I had money anyways, considering I haven't preordered it.
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Stop getting student loans then :neverusethis:
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Some great pieces of advice there acid, you should start a financial planning/debt management company. :neverusethis:
-J
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Thanks :neverusethis:
:lol
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2010).
FUUUUUU. THAT'S TOMORROW BOOKED OFF!!!
I'm such a nerd :sadpanda:
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Gamefly shipped it today. I'll be receiving it on Wednesday.
:caffeine: :caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
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That's cool. I'm receiving my game tomorrow :P
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Hopefully mine will come tomorrow.
I think going into this game with the right set of mind could make all the difference in the world.
I'll miss the lack of NPC's and Towns to explore, but i'm sure it will deliver.
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That's cool. I'm receiving my game tomorrow :P
SHADDUP I HACK YOU
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You guys are gonna determine for me whether I should buy this or not. If everyone says it's great, I will. If I see a lot of, "Well this and this are problems BUT" then I won't until it's dirt cheap.
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Any of the flaws in the game halve already been pointed out in this thread. I can confirm this from talking to a friend who has already played it on his modded console. He has said the combat and story are great though.
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I recently acquired some cash, so I'll be picking my copy up tomorrow :tup
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I'm picking up my copy at midnight. :metal
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just picked up my copy playing it now for a bit
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the box is sweet.
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For the people complaining about the whole "tunnel" feel, it seems that the game becomes the most open-ended one in the series towards endgame.
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Mine is in my house. But I am in work :(
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Been playing it for a few hours today. Pretty sweet so far. The graphics are immense.
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Been playing it for a few hours. I'm liking the story and the gameplay is fun but it doesn't feel much like a FF.
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Eh, neither did XII. I think this is just an evolution of the series we'll have to deal with.
In other news, I have to wait until tomorrow. :tdwn
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There was still plenty in XII that made it fleet like a FF. I shouldn't be judging XIII yet though. I am only three or four hours in and it's still giving me new bits of the combat system so that may just change.
The system they have in place for learning new abilities reminds me a lot of the sphere grid in X. It's nowhere near as big though.
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Been playing it for a few hours. I'm liking the story and the gameplay is fun but it doesn't feel much like a FF.
I definitely agree with you there.
How far into the game are you?
I think I'm further on, by the sounds of it.
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Im in chapter 3, and I'm really liking the gameplay. I feel it is a good change from the earlier final fantasies. The battle system is fast and intense, paradigms and chains are fun as hell. My only complaint about the game right now is how it just plunges you into the game and there's all these characters and things to learn immediately, I don't feel like they introduce the story and characters well enough. They leave it to us to read the datalog to figure it out for ourselves.
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How is the combat system? More turn based or real time?
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I FUCKING WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME GOD DAMMIT SHIT FUCK.
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How is the combat system? More turn based or real time?
Its real time, it's proving to be my favorite part of the game now. It took a little getting used to in the beginning but they did a great job with it.
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Thank god. I've been watching my roommate play FFX and we both agree how boring turn based combat is. The combat system in FFXII was awesome.
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FFXII absolutely felt like a Final Fantasy, to me. It was a nice transition out of random battles while keeping the basic feel of how battle is conducted.
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Ok so I've got money to buy a game...
Is FFXIII worth it?
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I would say so.
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I hear a lot of people saying they don't like the game, and I just don't see why.
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Given the choice between playing this game and having sex...
Well, I'd probably take the sex, but it's CLOSE.
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Given the choice between playing this game and having sex...
Well, I'd probably take the sex, but it's CLOSE.
They're practically the same thing
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I'm enjoying it so far, I must admit.
Being a huge fan of FFVII, it's sometimes hard to appreciate a game of the same title that is so different.
It takes a few hours to get into, but once you get your head around the storyline and battle system, it really does start to pick up a bit. I'm 5 hours in so far and find myself appreciating the characters a lot more than I thought I would.
Vanille is quite possibly the most annoying character in FF history, but everyone else is cool. Even Lightning, she seems to hold her own as a main character pretty well so far.
Obviously, time will tell before the game can be considered 'worth it' as i'm just at the initial stages. But the stage is most certainly set to experience an enjoyable game. How the characters develop and how the storyline unfolds will determine just how good it is. But so far, so good.
And yes, the graphics are absolutely sublime.
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Vanille is quite possibly the most annoying character in FF history
More annoying than Quina? Surely not more annoying than Selphie!
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Vanille is quite possibly the most annoying character in FF history
More annoying than Quina? Surely not more annoying than Selphie!
Quina was annoying, but was smart enough to keep his/her mouth shut most of the time.
Interesting that you mention Selphie. As Nomura has most definitely used her as one of his main influences for Vanille. They are similiar in more ways than one.
Vanille is probably 10x worse than the both of them combined. Heck, throw in Eiko, Rinoa and Yuffie as well.
This chick's voice will have you wearing earplugs.
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Vanille is quite possibly the most annoying character in FF history
More annoying than Quina? Surely not more annoying than Selphie!
Selphie is difficult to call annoying in my mind. She's just not visible enough to get annoying, not to mention she is nothing compared to the likes of Cait Sith and Quina.
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I'm enjoying it so far, I must admit.
Being a huge fan of FFVII, it's sometimes hard to appreciate a game of the same title that is so different.
It takes a few hours to get into, but once you get your head around the storyline and battle system, it really does start to pick up a bit. I'm 5 hours in so far and find myself appreciating the characters a lot more than I thought I would.
Vanille is quite possibly the most annoying character in FF history, but everyone else is cool. Even Lightning, she seems to hold her own as a main character pretty well so far.
Obviously, time will tell before the game can be considered 'worth it' as i'm just at the initial stages. But the stage is most certainly set to experience an enjoyable game. How the characters develop and how the storyline unfolds will determine just how good it is. But so far, so good.
And yes, the graphics are absolutely sublime.
I feel this way about everything too. Well, Vanille doesn't annoy me that much; her voice is sometimes tolerable when she actually talks in complete sentences but her goddamned annoying noises make me want to murder her, cute or no.
Lightning is pretty badass. I mean, she is more or less a combination of Cloud and Ashe, but she's not unlikable. She's a better main character than Tidus and Vaan, at least. :tup
Wtf was with that resistance kid that looks exactly like Cloud? :lol
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I feel like you guys completely underestimate Penelo's annoyingness.
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Penelo didn't really bother me at all. I mean she was inconsequential to the plot but she never really annoyed me
As for other "annoying" characters: I like Selphie too, and I love Yuffie. Quina was an unamusing, fatass, useless space-taker, which is unfortunate because I love blue mages but refused to ever put Quina in my party, but s/he didn't get on my nerves.
I fuckin' love Cait Sith, but I was a kid when I first played the game and my initial feelings towards characters stuck with me.
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FFVII was pretty void of annoying characters, I thought. I loved everyone in that game.
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I feel like you guys completely underestimate Penelo's annoyingness.
No, it was just completely overshadowed by Vaan's.
FFVII was pretty void of annoying characters, I thought. I loved everyone in that game.
I couldn't fucking stand Yuffie. What a terrible, annoying character.
Honestly, those two (Vaan and Yuffie) are the only two characters I hated in any FF game (off the top of my head). That's not a bad track record.
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I just shoved Vaan in the back. Basch, Balthier and Ashe were the only way to go.
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Ah yes. Protagonists so lame and unimportant to the story that the game designers decided you didn't need to use them AT ALL. That's always fun.
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I really like Vaan and Penelo, and I still don't get why there is so much negativity towards them.
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Ah yes. Protagonists so lame and unimportant to the story that the game designers decided you didn't need to use them AT ALL. That's always fun.
Vann really comes into his own closer the end of the game.
I just finished the first disk of XIII. I'm enjoying it a lot so far. It's a pretty big departure from all of the past titles, so if you're looking for the classic turn based combat of the older games you will be disappointed. If you take it for what it is though you should have a good time.
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I've yet to play FFXIII yet, due to being poor, but honestly, I'm sorta looking forward to XIV more than XIII. At least Nobuo Uematsu is doing the soundtrack.
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I've yet to play FFXIII yet, due to being poor, but honestly, I'm sorta looking forward to XIV more than XIII. At least Nobuo Uematsu is doing the soundtrack.
The soundtrack on XIII is great despite the fact he's not involved with it.
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I've yet to play FFXIII yet, due to being poor, but honestly, I'm sorta looking forward to XIV more than XIII. At least Nobuo Uematsu is doing the soundtrack.
The soundtrack on XIII is great despite the fact he's not involved with it.
It's so...ambient and cinematic sounding. I don't want ambient music in my RPGs, because ambient music sounds like it's not meant to be the focus, but music is a large part of the RPG experience for me. I want it to be big and exciting.
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You guys are complaining about Vanille? Hope is annoying me the most so far!
Sure, Vanille's voice is a little weird but at least she's not another JRPG emo.
Also, I woke up this morning to find that my house mate had left my copy of FFXIII just lying face down on the floor last night >:(
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Vanille wouldn't be annoying at all if they would have gotten a better voice actor.
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It's a weird voice but I don't find it that annoying, to be honest.
Also, Amazon dropped £3 off the price of my copy because the price got lowered after I pre-ordered it (or something like that) :hat
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Jeez, you guys get annoyed by everything! :lol The only characters I've found vaguely annoying were Selphie and Quina, and even they weren't that bad.
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Jeez, you guys get annoyed by everything! :lol The only characters I've found vaguely annoying were Selphie and Quina, and even they weren't that bad.
I like Selphie. Although I think she has an advantage because in VIII all the diolouge is in text. If there were voice acotrs for here I'd bet she would sound like Vanille, which I do not want.
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Jeez, you guys get annoyed by everything! :lol The only characters I've found vaguely annoying were Selphie and Quina, and even they weren't that bad.
QUINA IS AWESOME.
*goes frog catching with awesome music in the background*
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i found myself appreciating the music a lot more experiencing it in the game. It fits the game great.
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picking up my preorder right after school! Just another thing to help me fail school. :D
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i found myself appreciating the music a lot more experiencing it in the game. It fits the game great.
This is essentially how I feel about XII's soundtrack. While playing the game I love it, but it isn't much just listening to it.
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I've yet to play FFXIII yet, due to being poor, but honestly, I'm sorta looking forward to XIV more than XIII. At least Nobuo Uematsu is doing the soundtrack.
The soundtrack on XIII is great despite the fact he's not involved with it.
It's so...ambient and cinematic sounding. I don't want ambient music in my RPGs, because ambient music sounds like it's not meant to be the focus, but music is a large part of the RPG experience for me. I want it to be big and exciting.
Oh trust me, FFXIII's soundtrack is very much big and exciting.
Everything about it is.
I certainly like this game more than XII and it's inching towards the top half of my favorite FF games in the series.
I'm about 5-6 hours in, at that garbage mountain peak place after the Dreadnought fight. Sazh is awesome.
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Im at chapter 5 right now and I'm really enjoying how hope and lightning bond together and develop their characters. I love this game so much.
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Just started chapter 6.
Im at chapter 5 right now and I'm really enjoying how hope and lightning bond together and develop their characters. I love this game so much.
I liked that bit too :hat
I'm really liking the flash backs as well.
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I'm only a couple hours in, but this is my first Final Fantasy game. :omg:
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I'm about an hour in. The only thing stopping me from playing 10 hour sessions is that I'm totally swamped at school right now. Being in the pit orchestra for the musical was the stupidest decision I've made all year.
But, I'm loving what I've played so far. I dig the battle system already, and I'll probably like it even more when I can use the paradigms. I don't see what's so bad about auto-battle. It just makes the battles a hell of a lot faster. And, if you don't like what the auto-battle does, you can just go back and pick yourself.
Also, the graphics are amazing.
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Seems like I'm falling behind, I'm only halfway through chapter four and about eight hours in.
I'm really enjoying how hope and lightning bond together and develop their characters. I love this game so much.
Same, Lightning was a bitch and Hope was annoying, but then they started to get along and I like 'em both hanging around together now :) The game is kinda exhausting and repetetive at the moment because of the no-town thing, but the character development, the music and the battle system more than make up for it.
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Gawwwddddd...I need to get home and play this game!
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I'm about an hour in. The only thing stopping me from playing 10 hour sessions is that I'm totally swamped at school right now. Being in the pit orchestra for the musical was the stupidest decision I've made all year.
I loved being in the pit, especially when you get to play musicals like Damn Yankees.
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I was not a huge fan of the combat at the beginning of the game. I'm on chapter 7 now and I like it a lot. :tup
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at the begging of the game
SLIGHT SPOILER:
I just got to the bit where Snow re-appears and helps out Lightning + Hope
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at the begging of the game
SLIGHT SPOILER:
I just got to the bit where Snow re-appears and helps out Lightning + Hope
What do you mean in the beginning of the game? I think that happens in chapter 7. Or are we thinking of different parts of the game?
Oh, nevermind. You were just making fun of my bad spelling/typing in my last post. :lol That's where I am too.
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I was making fun of the fact that you had typed "at the begging of the game." instead of "at the beginning of the game.".
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Yeah, I suck at typing.
Anyways, does anyone else think the Crystarium is just a dumbed down version of the Sphere Grid?
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Pretty much. You seem to be able to get enough or almost enough crystarium or whatever by the end of each chapter just by fighting the stuff you have to fight.
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Which is okay with me since I'm not a big fan of grinding. A friend told me you are going to have to train later on for CP.
I think my dislike of grinding is why I liked Junctions/FF VIII so much. Once you draw all of the magic you need from any particular enemy you don't have to train your guys at all for levels. In fact, raising you level if you have powerful junctions works against you because that mean monsters level with you.
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I'm a little further now. I'm using paradigms. :D
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I feel like I'm almost at the end of the game I've been playing this game ALOT since I got it. I just can't seem to put it down, I go to work, class, then I come home and play FFXIII. Oh where did my life go?
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I feel like I'm almost at the end of the game I've been playing this game ALOT since I got it. I just can't seem to put it down, I go to work, class, then I come home and play FFXIII. Oh where did my life go?
How the hell? I heard it was a 60 hour game :|
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I heard 45.
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Im at chapter 9 now, and im about 25 hours in
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You've still got a long way to go :lol
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Im at chapter 9 now, and im about 25 hours in
I'm at the start of chapter 9 at about 23 hours in. :P
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Man...work has made me fall WAY behind some of you guys and I got it on the day it came out.
I should quit :neverusethis:
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Im at chapter 9 now, and im about 25 hours in
I'm at the start of chapter 9 at about 23 hours in. :P
prepare for a pain in the ass boss fight at the end of ch 9 :P
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I'm gonna play it this weekend, since I save 1 player games for on the weekends at my dad's with no internet. although I did try it out, and it seems pretty good.
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
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Man...work has made me fall WAY behind some of you guys and I got it on the day it came out.
I should quit :neverusethis:
Quit work or FF XIII?
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
I thought that xii was coming out for xbox as well? (even though ps3 is 10 x better)
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
I thought that xii was coming out for xbox as well? (even though ps3 is 10 x better)
It is out for Xbox too. And I'm pretty sure in every category other than graphics the Xbox blows the PS3 out of the water. :P
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Man...work has made me fall WAY behind some of you guys and I got it on the day it came out.
I should quit :neverusethis:
Quit work or FF XIII?
WORK, DUH! :neverusethis:
Minor spoiler:
By the way, HOW THE HELL DO YOU BEAT THAT AIRSHIP BOSS IN CHAPTER 7?
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WORK, DUH! :neverusethis:
Minor spoiler:
By the way, HOW THE HELL DO YOU BEAT THAT AIRSHIP BOSS IN CHAPTER 7?
attack the other parts of the ship first. Turrets and then the sides. Destroying each of them does a lot of damage to the main ship.
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Ah, I didn't know there's different parts to it :facepalm:
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
I thought that xii was coming out for xbox as well? (even though ps3 is 10 x better)
It is out for Xbox too. And I'm pretty sure in every category other than graphics the Xbox blows the PS3 out of the water. :P
Yeah, it is out on 360, but I am interested in the PS3 more than the 360 to begin with. FFXIII Versus is a big game for me, too, and that doesn't look like it'll make it to the 360, so why bother considering the 360 version of FFXIII?
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
I thought that xii was coming out for xbox as well? (even though ps3 is 10 x better)
It is out for Xbox too. And I'm pretty sure in every category other than graphics the Xbox blows the PS3 out of the water. :P
Yeah, it is out on 360, but I am interested in the PS3 more than the 360 to begin with. FFXIII Versus is a big game for me, too, and that doesn't look like it'll make it to the 360, so why bother considering the 360 version of FFXIII?
I meant comparing the consoles in general. If you have a PS3 I would definitely get it for that just for the better graphics. Everything else about the game should be the same.
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I just finished chapter 8 and all I can say is:
WHAT. THE. FUCK?!
I DID NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING.
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I just finished chapter 8 and all I can say is:
WHAT. THE. FUCK?!
I DID NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING.
:lol That was my reaction too.
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Just been playing chapter 9. That was a relief!
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I haven't played anymore today. So I'm still at the start of chapter 9.
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I haven't got very far in chapter 9. I've pretty much been playing it non-stop since I got home from work (except to eat and post here :neverusethis: )
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just starting chapter ten now ;D
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Damn, I'm falling behind everyone now. I guess I need to have another 10 hour play session. :biggrin:
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Don't worry, you'll catch up to me while I'm at work during the week >_>
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My wife got sad and wanted to get a PS3 and FFXIII for me when she saw me staring at it from outside a glass case while we were shopping. Unfortunately, we both know we can't afford it. :(
I thought that xii was coming out for xbox as well? (even though ps3 is 10 x better)
It is out for Xbox too. And I'm pretty sure in every category other than graphics the Xbox blows the PS3 out of the water. :P
Yeah, it is out on 360, but I am interested in the PS3 more than the 360 to begin with. FFXIII Versus is a big game for me, too, and that doesn't look like it'll make it to the 360, so why bother considering the 360 version of FFXIII?
I meant comparing the consoles in general. If you have a PS3 I would definitely get it for that just for the better graphics. Everything else about the game should be the same.
Oh, I was mostly quoting you since you had already given part of the answer. Regardless of the differences in the FFXIII versions, though, I am interested in the PS3 much more than the 360. I'm not going to go buy a 360 just to be able to get FFXIII sooner.
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Just finished chapter 9.
The boss at the end was NAILS
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WITHOUT ANY SPOILERS, can someone tell me if the story gets really good?
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WITHOUT ANY SPOILERS, can someone tell me if the story gets really good?
Yes. But I thought it started out good in the first place.
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Agreed. It started out good but then, later on, it gets much better.
Started chapter 11 now.
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While I'm not playing it I must admit the art direction of the game is outstanding. The frozen Brechan Lake is downright beautiful.
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@ people that are playing it: is the linearity thing an issue at all? That is, are all the areas more or less completely linear, and does the lack of exploration negatively impact the game?
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@ people that are playing it: is the linearity thing an issue at all? That is, are all the areas more or less completely linear, and does the lack of exploration negatively impact the game?
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It's pretty different from past Final Fantasies. But I don't think it takes away from the game at all.
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Goddamn I need to get this game. And also something to play it on.
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Done all the low level side missions now :hat
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Vanille's summon was FUCKING NAILS.
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I'm about an hour in. So far, so good.
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Just starting chapter 9, 18 hours in. I'm behind because I have a job AND a girlfriend :(
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In Chapter 3:
Thoughts so far
1) I can't stand Vanille
That is all.
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I just don't like her voice acting.
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I'm seriously not seeing the problem with her voice.
It was a little weird to begin with when she didn't say much, right enough.
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Her dialogue, her diction, the half regular/half Australian accent, her maneurisms all suck.
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but....shes hot
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Vanille is smokin'. I was slightly aroused when she showed her l'Cie mark.
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Yeah I'm starting to tolerate Vanille a bit more as the game goes on.
And is just me or do things start getting really awesome in Chapter 7
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Yeah I'm starting to tolerate Vanille a bit more as the game goes on.
And is just me or do things start getting really awesome in Chapter 7
The whole game is really awesome every chapter after 6. Chapter 11 is awesome just for Grand Pulse alone
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I'm way behind compared to you guys. I'm on a boss which has an attack called Wrecking Ball that destroys Sazh in one hit, and I have no idea what to do...
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Was just fighting the boss at the end of chapter 11. He wasn't doing that much damage or anything and I was coping quite well and then, all of a sudden, just when I'm about to own him, HE PULLS OUT THIS ATTACK AND KILLS LIGHTNING IN ONE ATTACK. WTF?! It wasn't even a strong attack (she had next to full health).
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Was just fighting the boss at the end of chapter 11. He wasn't doing that much damage or anything and I was coping quite well and then, all of a sudden, just when I'm about to own him, HE PULLS OUT THIS ATTACK AND KILLS LIGHTNING IN ONE ATTACK. WTF?! It wasn't even a strong attack (she had next to full health).
is that the boss ontop of the tower? i just beat that thing, 2 million hp wtf! I had him in stagger and was thinking "oh this is pretty easy".....then he casts like every status and debuff ailment on my party
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Yeah. I was SO close to killing him as well. I just made sure I had protect, shell etc. on.
Couple of questions: What does veil do and how do you make money in this game because I never seem to have much of it?
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Yeah. I was SO close to killing him as well. I just made sure I had protect, shell etc. on.
I must have used at least 10 esuna spells to clear all that stuff off. That tower I must say was a pretty cool level.
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Yeah, it was a pretty cool area. Those statues were well cool.
Check my edit :P
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I'm not too sure on veil, I hardly use a synergist. But I think the only real way to make money is to sell stuff like components
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Hmmm. What classes do you use then? The only one I don't keep in regular rotation is Saboteur.
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My party consists of Lightning, Snow, and Vanille.
My paradigm rotations are
COM, RAV, RAV (default)
COM, SEN, MED (casual healing)
MED, SEN, MED (heavy healing)
COM, RAV, SAB (debuffs, sometimes this will be my default)
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You've got a fairly similar setup to me...except I use Hope instead of Vanille.
The paradigms are almost the same apart from the last one where I have MED, COM, SYN. I also have an extra one where they're all RAV just to get the enemy staggered ASAP.
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Vanille's voice, accent, diction, whatever are completely fine.
Her mannerisms, and the fact that the studio have decided it'd be cool to record her every breath/gasp/giggle/moans/etc just as loud as her voice is the horrible thing about her VAing.
A typical line of Vanille dialog is like (heAH)Let's(gasp)goah(breath)guyez!!(gigglesintoloudmoan)
No other VA in the game has been treated that atrociously.
I just don't understand why they did that with her. Is hearing every noise someone makes while they're talking (right in our ear, on top of that) supposed to make the character sound hot?
So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
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So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
It's better than FFX-2 where the characters were wearing the skimpiest outfits they could get away with and they had that creepy back-rub mini-game :|
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You've got a fairly similar setup to me...except I use Hope instead of Vanille.
The paradigms are almost the same apart from the last one where I have MED, COM, SYN. I also have an extra one where they're all RAV just to get the enemy staggered ASAP.
I had the all RAV combo for a while, but I needed a COM so the stagger meter doesn't go down so fast. With deprotect and stagger, lightning takes out an average of about 17,000 damage. :D
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Wow. Nice!
My characters can keep up with the stagger meter going down so quickly so it's not really a problem for me, right now.
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So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
It's better than FFX-2 where the characters were wearing the skimpiest outfits they could get away with and they had that creepy back-rub mini-game :|
So glad I turned my system off five minutes into the game
So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
I understand you were talking about the VA in your post, but I don't feel there's too much shameless sex appeal.
Lightning's dressed pretty conservatively for a Final Fantasy character if you think about it :rollin
Vanille & Fang aren't any worse than Tifa, Lulu, Fran, Ashe, etc., it just might seem that way because the graphics and designs are so much more detailed
Now as for Snow's friend, that NORA chick... Jesus Christ. :lol
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So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
It's better than FFX-2 where the characters were wearing the skimpiest outfits they could get away with and they had that creepy back-rub mini-game :|
X-2 was by far the worst, but this game would have to take 2nd place. Even though the original X could still be pretty bad, it at least had Yuna's modesty making up for Lulu's knockers.
And most FF up to this point at least had a few female leads with some modesty.
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I just started, I already hate Vanille. Jesus.
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So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
It's better than FFX-2 where the characters were wearing the skimpiest outfits they could get away with and they had that creepy back-rub mini-game :|
X-2 was by far the worst, but this game would have to take 2nd place. Even though the original X could still be pretty bad, it at least had Yuna's modesty making up for Lulu's knockers.
And most FF up to this point at least had a few female leads with some modesty.
wut
FFVII was pretty bad for it. You just couldn't tell with the crappy graphics. The clothes Yuffi and Tifa were wearing were quite short and Tifa's breasts were so big, Square could have cut about 20 hours out of the game and just used them to shield the earth from Meteor.
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So far, I like FFXIII, but I think there's a little bit too much shameless sex appeal.
It's better than FFX-2 where the characters were wearing the skimpiest outfits they could get away with and they had that creepy back-rub mini-game :|
X-2 was by far the worst, but this game would have to take 2nd place. Even though the original X could still be pretty bad, it at least had Yuna's modesty making up for Lulu's knockers.
And most FF up to this point at least had a few female leads with some modesty.
wut
FFVII was pretty bad for it. You just couldn't tell with the crappy graphics. The clothes Yuffi and Tifa were wearing were quite short and Tifa's breasts were so big, Square could have cut about 20 hours out of the game and just used them to shield the earth from Meteor.
I would have to agree. VII is way worse at that than XIII. The only game where it takes it too far is X-2 though. There's a difference between the characters being cute and them looking like sluts.
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The girls in XIII ALL look like sluts, or like they're ready for a night of serious clubbing. In VII, only two of them did. Same with X.
TBH, not counting X2, Final Fantasy XIII is the first time the girls have been so inappropriately dressed that it's hard to take their role in the plot seriously.
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Plus you get the obvious pervy camera angles.
Breasts on the woman with glasses (don't know her name)
Vanille climbing over things (camera on ass)
Vanille showing her brand (while lifting her skirt)
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They do that with plenty of other games though (e.g. making Tifa's breasts insanely bouncy and a good example of that is in the last cut scene of VII).
The girls in XIII ALL look like sluts, or like they're ready for a night of serious clubbing. In VII, only two of them did. Same with X.
How does only having 2/3 girls look slutty make it any better? The third one dies pretty early on in 7 anyway.
As it it's been pointed out before, the only reason it's more obvious is because of the insanely good graphics.
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Yuna died early on?
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Good thing I forgot to say "in 7" in my post. Oh wait.
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I know, I was pointing out that they DON'T always do it and in the past have had female leads that are a bit more modest.
FFXIII is pretty lolworthy at the moment. I can't take the story seriously, since the characters are so ridiculous. I'm enjoying it, though.
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I can't take YOU seriously because YOU'RE so rediculous :angry:
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OK. Well, it's already 9:30 and I'm still piddling around the forum. I'm gonna eat, get a shower, get dressed, and leave the house. Today, I think I'm going to be doing something really important, like violently saving my sister from being deported. I think it'd be best if I showed up to the immigration office wearing something like this:
(https://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/26/2690/BQVUD00Z/richard-e-aaron-freddie-mercury.jpg)
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Cool. Well, I'm just going to run about killing stuff with a sword the same size as me:
(https://dvice.com/pics/Final_Fantasy_Cloud.jpg)
Maybe I'll go with a huge gun that never needs to have new ammo that's grafted on my arm:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3TbKBbkQs_A/R5T3YW0SeUI/AAAAAAAAABI/KIx8vF10HfQ/s320/barret.JPG)
Giant talking dog maybe? Talking cat with a Scottish accent?
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51l288WjAYL._SL400_.jpg)
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Ridiculous as they are, none of those scream shameless sex appeal like FFXIII does.
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Yeah. I forgot about Tifa and Yuffie.
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I know. You're starting to sound like a broken record. I admit that sex is always a part of it, but all the Final Fantasy games have at least some modestly dressed female leads. This game has NONE. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Why?
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You're starting to sound like a broken record.
Ironic.
I admit that sex is always a part of it, but all the Final Fantasy games have at least some modestly dressed female leads. This game has NONE. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Why?
How does only having 2/3 girls look slutty make it any better?
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You know...I've always laughed at myself for how 'behind the times' I am.
But I finally, finally started playing FF VIII the other day.
And you know what? I hate it already. But everyone keeps saying what a cool story it is, so I'll keep playing it. But the controls are so ass backwards from every other game I'm used to.
And I don't understand all this junctioning business at all. And that second boss (the one on the top of the tower when you're taking your test at the beginning) is a real bitch...swear to god it took me 6 tries to beat it. And before you laugh at me for being inept, (as you should) it usually does take me awhile to get used to the controls and everything of a new game. I'll be a master of it soon enough but for now it's frustrating as hell.
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VIII was probably my least favourite of the FF games for the PS1. It was okay though.
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You're starting to sound like a broken record.
Ironic.
I admit that sex is always a part of it, but all the Final Fantasy games have at least some modestly dressed female leads. This game has NONE. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Why?
How does only having 2/3 girls look slutty make it any better?
That's cute, but you never actually responded to the fact that the other games have more modestly dressed characters. You just pointed out that, in ONE of them, the modestly dressed female character dies relatively early on. 2/3 =/= 3/3 :|
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You know...I've always laughed at myself for how 'behind the times' I am.
But I finally, finally started playing FF VIII the other day.
And you know what? I hate it already. But everyone keeps saying what a cool story it is, so I'll keep playing it. But the controls are so ass backwards from every other game I'm used to.
And I don't understand all this junctioning business at all. And that second boss (the one on the top of the tower when you're taking your test at the beginning) is a real bitch...swear to god it took me 6 tries to beat it. And before you laugh at me for being inept, (as you should) it usually does take me awhile to get used to the controls and everything of a new game. I'll be a master of it soon enough but for now it's frustrating as hell.
Basically, Junctioning is just taking spells and attaching them to your stats (certain spells are better with certain stats, from what I remember). I think how much of that spell you have affects how much it boosts your stat as well (spells are like items, every time you use a spell you lose one "use" of it. You get more by drawing them from enemies). Also, you can only Junction onto a stat if that character has a GF equipped with the Junction-*stat* ability learned (So you can't actually boost Squall's strength, for example, until one of the GFs you have him using learns the Junction-Strength ability).
It can be a little confusing at first, but the game's not that difficult once you get used to it. You can pretty much cheese your way through the majority of the game by just spamming GFs all the time.
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That's cute, but you never actually responded to the fact that the other games have more modestly dressed characters. You just pointed out that, in ONE of them, the modestly dressed female character dies relatively early on. 2/3 =/= 3/3 :|
Well, I'm not denying the fact that the other games have more moderately dressed characters and the fact that Aeries dies wasn't the main point of an argument.
To take a very extreme example:
A man runs over three people and another man runs over two. No one is going to say that the second guy is better because he only ran over two.
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I don't get how that analogy is related. I never said the sluttiness made the game worse. I just said it made it especially slutty.
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I meant worse on the sluttyness scale.
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I know. You're starting to sound like a broken record. I admit that sex is always a part of it, but all the Final Fantasy games have at least some modestly dressed female leads. This game has NONE. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Why?
Which one looks more like a whore?
(https://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/babes/tifalockhart.jpg)
or
(https://nekoe.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/final-fantasy-xiii-lightning-render.jpg)
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My vote is for Tifa.
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Tifa is so god damn hot.
And seriously, the characters in XIII are extremely modest compared to past characters. How anyone could think of Lightning's outfit as slutty is beyond me.
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She doesn't need to dress like a slut to look damn sexy though.
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You know you're posting on a prog message board when...
...The guys on the board are salivating over video game characters....
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You don't have to be a prog nerd to go crazy for Final Fantasy womangs.
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You know you're posting on a prog message board when...
...The guys on the board are salivating over video game characters....
There's the rub. I'm not the same nerdy, sexually frustrated, j-rpg/anime fan I was when I was 14 and Final Fantasy X came out (Oh my god, really!????). I barely watch any anime and I don't play JRPGs much anymore. And then a great game like this comes out with its scantily clad anime womang, reminding me, as Golbez reminded Kane, that I'm still a nerd a heart; too weird most of the time to hang with the rest of the party.
Thank you, Final Fantasy XIII, for captivating me with such a fun game and taking me back to that wonderful time when I was still a teenager :tdwn
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I really don't see how Lightning's that bad at all, especially for FF standards :|
You know you're posting on a prog message board when...
...The guys on the board are salivating over video game characters....
Hey, I know plenty of girls who do the same :lol
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(https://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-09/art/ff13-oerba-dia-vanille.jpg)
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I'm in chapter 5 right now. Lightning is a total powerhouse. I have her at a level 2 Commando and Hope as a level 2 Ravager. I'm totally owning everything I see.
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In chapter 4 now. Just got Lightning's summon. Now on the Sazh/Vanille part. Anything involving those two characters together is easily my least favorite part of the game.
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Sazh is a great character and Vanille just has a bad voice actor.
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Im on the last chapter now, just doing side stuff and leveling before the final battle. I changed my lineup so now it's light, fang, and sazh, best decision I made all day. Having a synergist and saboteur in the same group is just fucking win. Oh and I'm riding a chocobo! kweh!!
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LAST chapter? WTF?!
Seriously? I thought this was a 60 hour game?!
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LAST chapter? WTF?!
Seriously? I thought this was a 60 hour game?!
It depends on how much work you want to put into maxing out the Crystarium/weapons. If you really want to max everything out it can go much longer than 60 hours.
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Well yeah but I meant the average play length.
Also, I'm pretty sure my game bugged out the other day. I, some how, have the trophy for owning all the weapons + accessories and the trophy for maxing out all the roles (they're gold trophies as well). This was quite early on in the game too :huh:
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In chapter 4 now. Just got Lightning's summon. Now on the Sazh/Vanille part. Anything involving those two characters together is easily my least favorite part of the game.
I hated that section, mainly because Sazh and Vanille are both pretty weak compared to Lightning and Hope.
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In chapter 4 now. Just got Lightning's summon. Now on the Sazh/Vanille part. Anything involving those two characters together is easily my least favorite part of the game.
I hated that section, mainly because Sazh and Vanille are both pretty weak compared to Lightning and Hope.
I found it easier to play with Sazh and Vanille! Well at that point in the game anyway.
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Least favourite part of the game so far:
"SEEERRRAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" every. time. he's. on. the. fuckin. screen.
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Wow. 8 hrs in and on disc II... amazing. I guess the graphics really do take up that much space. I wonder... if someone decided to release a 3-disc 2D RPG for the 360, it'd probably be the longest, most epic RPG experience ever.
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LAST chapter? WTF?!
Seriously? I thought this was a 60 hour game?!
well im like 55 hours in lol...
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Wow...crazy. Weren't we just at the same bit the other night? :lol
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In chapter 4 now. Just got Lightning's summon. Now on the Sazh/Vanille part. Anything involving those two characters together is easily my least favorite part of the game.
I hated that section, mainly because Sazh and Vanille are both pretty weak compared to Lightning and Hope.
Those two elemental yeti boss things were fucking hell. Jesus Christ.
As for where I am, SPOILERS (Chapter 10):
Just killed Cid. Good fight, but goddamn was he the most useless Cid in the series. He had an awesome story, but Christ, we see him what, three times? And his dull, generic voice acting makes it almost impossible to care.
Barthandelus or whoever was a big WTF moment though. Awesome fight.
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I don't recall the elemental yetis. Was that in Chapter 4?
Anyway, I just beat a pretty tough boss. It was right after (Possible Spoiler) Hope starts up his Operation Nora thingy. I can't remember the name, but I remember having to use a Fortisol to even have a chance against the damn thing.
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I don't remember what they're called, they're big, hairy four-legged things, one uses fire and the other water or ice or something. And once you kill one the other goes berserk all WoW-style.
I beat them the first try, but it was still time-consuming and annoying as all hell. Mostly because I was dumb and put Sazh as a ravager which made it harder to get the stagger bonus up.
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Wow...crazy. Weren't we just at the same bit the other night? :lol
Well then you shouldn't be too far off then acid, how far are you now? The enemies in chap 13 are really annoyingly hard
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Ummm...I'm at the bit not long after the boss who has 2 million HP. The bit where you have to collect parts for that toy thing. Well, you don't have to but you can.
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Ummm...I'm at the bit not long after the boss who has 2 million HP. The bit where you have to collect parts for that toy thing. Well, you don't have to but you can.
you get ALOT of money for doing that
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So it is worth it then?
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definitely, you get a trophy too
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Cool.
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i just fought the final boss, 7million hp. pain in my ass
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:omg:
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Shit. I've been drinking some beers and playing this game all night. Just finished the marathon that is Chapter 7. This game definitely wins the award for most melodramatic dialog in a videogame ever. :yeahright
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lol i finished it tonight, the ending wasn't too bad :D
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God damn. I'm so behind. I'm not even done with Chapter 5 yet. It's gonna take me months to beat this sucker.
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Chapter 11, I'm just running around grinding CP and shit before I go to Oerba.
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I'm somewhere towards the beginning of Chapter 7. The plots coming together, and I'm consistently impressed. The scene with Snow and Shiva was mind-bogglingly epic.
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Yup, I'm still playing VIII. And I still hate it. Makes a little more sense but I still hate hate hate hate hate the controls on it. And I HATE all the random battles (I realize it's necessary for leveling up your characters but Jesus Christ there's some areas where I can't take two steps without having to fight another battle).
This game's lucky it's got a good story, otherwise I'd take it out of the console and never look at it again.
Usually when I play a game, I like to play through it once on my own without cheating, so I can say I did it on my own. Then I'll get the walkthrough and play it again to get all the cool stuff that I missed the first time. I'm not ashamed to say that I already went ahead and looked up the walkthrough for this game. I'm still not using it for the secret stuff, but I am using it to get me out of certain areas (for example, the sewers, the prison). I just don't have the patience for maze boards like that, with controls like these, with this ridiculous amount of battles.
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What control problems are you having? I don't remember them being very different from any other game...
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What control problems are you having? I don't remember them being very different from any other game...
I feel like I'm having trouble getting the characters to enter/speak to people. A perfect example is the scene where they're about to assassinate the sorceress, and you have to follow the general and then speak to him at the base of the arch. Well I swear to god I played it for an hour last night speaking to everyone I could find, running everywhere it would let me go, and I got nothing. I finally just got so pissed off that I shut it off. Today I booted it back up and lo and behold, the very first person I tried to speak to is this general guy and I was thinking, "well I know I tried multiple times to speak to this dude last night and every time it wouldn't let me." It's quite possible that I'm just retarded, but I'm not a stranger to how games like this work...I know how to go up and "talk" to someone...and I tried multiple times, from every angle.
I have the same issues trying to enter/exit areas...sometimes it lets me, sometimes it doesn't.
I even thought that maybe it was just me having issues with seeing the graphics, so I even lightened the tint on my tv. It didn't help.
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Wow, no idea. Never ran into that problem.
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Are you talkinga bout the game VIII? You need almost no leveling to complete the game, no? The enemy levels are matched to you so if anything leveling up only makes the game harder, I think. At least I've heard a few people saying the more you skip battles the easier the game is in the end. On the other hand, using the junction system you can sort of permanently put yourself ahead of the enemies on the leveling curve. Either way, it was never a difficult game and you could easily avoid all random battles as one of the early espers has a skill to avoid all encounters.
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Are you talkinga bout the game VIII? You need almost no leveling to complete the game, no? The enemy levels are matched to you so if anything leveling up only makes the game harder, I think. At least I've heard a few people saying the more you skip battles the easier the game is in the end. On the other hand, using the junction system you can sort of permanently put yourself ahead of the enemies on the leveling curve. Either way, it was never a difficult game and you could easily avoid all random battles as one of the early espers has a skill to avoid all encounters.
Well, shit. I wish I'd known that at the beginning.
And I have no qualms about cheating for this game...how do I get the ability to avoid battles? :D
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Cid gave you a magic lamp early in the game which contains Diablos. Diablos can learn enc-half and enc-none(sp?), which reduces or prevents random battles. Learn them and equip the ability to whoever junctions Diablos.
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Cid gave you a magic lamp early in the game which contains Diablos. Diablos can learn enc-half and enc-none(sp?), which reduces or prevents random battles. Learn them and equip the ability to whoever junctions Diablos.
I forgot I had that thing from Cid. Whoops. Thanks for the info!
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And an easy way to beat Diablos: Draw maximum water and junction them to someone, probably Squall's magic. Then have him draw-cast demi when you fight Diablos and he'll go down like a ton of bricks.
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@ Neon: I agree that the plot is FFVIII's main strength, although I didn't have all the other problems you seem to be experiencing. I enjoyed the game overall, but I don't think it's one of my top favorites in the series.
Started FFXIII last weekend. Currently on Chapter 3, just found out that all the battles I had fought prior were for nothing. :facepalm: Enjoying the game so far though.
-J
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OK, so this is probably going to sound really retarded, but what is the deal with Chocobos in FF VIII?
I'm in the forest now, and I can't catch one. I paid the boy to catch one for me but then as soon as I got out onto the world map, it ran away? So I looked up a couple of walkthroughs and even those aren't really helping.
The one I found said you have to have one "chicobo" on the ground and then go talk to it...well they either come down in sets of three or four...or the lone one comes down but then immediately flies back up.
I have about zero patience left for this fucking game, I just want to be able to ride around on the stupid thing without it running away. (And no, I haven't found a place to "call" it back yet).
The only FF game I ever played besides this one was IX and it wasn't nearly this difficult. I'm really feeling like a failure right now because I can't figure this out...even with cheating.
Please help me. :lol
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Dunno know about VIII, but what's up with you guys. No one wants to talk about FF13? Do you all really think it's that underwhelming?
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There's been a lot of talking about XIII.
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There's been a lot of talking about XIII.
Yeah, this. ???
FFXIII is awesome. I'm enjoying it a hell of a lot.
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There's been a lot of talking about XIII.
Where? There's only one or two posts about it from this week... almost all the talking happened last week.
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Well, I haven't gotten the chance to play it for about a week. So since a lot of people are ahead of me now I can't contribute much to the conversation.
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Yeah, and I won't get to play it until my next paycheck at the EARLIEST, so I don't have much to say about it either. I assume once everyone is caught up/done there will be more discussion since we won't need to talk in vague terms like "You know that one boss after Lightning says that thing and it does this thing".
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Chapter 12 :metal
C12 spoilers:
WTF, they brought Cid back and I thought this was his chance to do something cool, and then Rygdea shoots him three cutscenes later. Oh well, the assault on Eden is pretty awesome.
I'm thinking of starting a Final Fantasy Cid survivor :neverusethis:
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Still in chapter 7 after the big battle where everyone is reunited. That battle was fucking epic.
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What the fuck >:(
The second boss. I can be at full health, with Snow as a Sentinel, and yet Crystal Rain still one-shots Lightning? What the fuck is this?
Edit: I beat it, but that was annoying >:(
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Chapter 9 Spoilers
Just beat Dysley. What a bitch. Was really hard until I realized he had multiple heads...
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post game is really fun. I'm totally determined to get all those trophies. There are some really huge badass monsters in gran pule though
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My favorite was FFIX. It's also the only one I beat... I got to the end of FFVIII a couple times and my memory card got corrupted so I just gave up :facepalm:
My dad bought FFXIII for me for my birthday, I can't wait to play it!!! He showed it to me, but he won't give it to me until my birthday (which isn't until May :()
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My favorite was FFIX. It's also the only one I beat... I got to the end of FFVIII a couple times and my memory card got corrupted so I just gave up :facepalm:
My dad bought FFXIII for me for my birthday, I can't wait to play it!!! He showed it to me, but he won't give it to me until my birthday (which isn't until May :()
IX is the only one I ever beat (or for that matter, really played). I loved it though. Vivi is the coolest.
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IX is the best game ever.
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Hm. I wouldn't call IX my favorite anymore (probably 4-5th), but I distinctly remember it being the one I enjoyed the most, age being a significant factor.
I don't know, Final Fantasy games just feel so much bigger and complex and detailed when you're younger, then I play them again years later and, while still great, feel much smaller :-X
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Yeah, I'm still surprised when I go back and play 7 and realize I could probably beat it in 20 hours now.... I must have played it for like 40-50 my first time through.
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Anyways, at the final dungeon in Final Fantasy XIII. Things were kicking my ass so I went back to Gran Pulse and I trained for 3-4 hours, came back, and each encounter is still like a boss battle :facepalm: I found the Jabberwocky and Bandersnatch miles easier than a group of four Sacrifices or three Dagonites
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11788.0
:neverusethis: :neverusethis:
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I just finished Chapter 9. That boss was ridiculous.
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:metal
My wife and I started talking last night and ended up switching our entertainment budget around. We were already dropping cable as we couldn't convince Comcast to keep us at a promotional price, so we decided to just completely shut out cable for the next couple of years and buy a PS3(me for games and her for Blu-Ray/plus trying Netflix). We ordered from Amazon, so with free shipping who knows when it will show up.
Final Fantasy XIII is mine, soon, though! ;D
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I just finished Chapter 9. That boss was ridiculous.
Hahahahahaha, Barthandalus? If only you knew.
Also, is it just me or is the final boss music freaking epic? I'm actually finding myself not missing Nobuo too much. I don't feel Hamauzu's score will stand the test of time as well as Uematsu's collections, of course, but he's an amazing replacement (though I'm aware he's been working with Square since X).
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Chapter 10 Spoilers:
Beat Cid on my first try. He wasn't all that bad once I figured out his pattern. I only had to stagger him twice and he was gone. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping an enemy up in the air for its entire stagger time. Fang ends up doing well over 5000 per hit. :D
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Chapter 10 Spoilers:
Beat Cid on my first try. He wasn't all that bad once I figured out his pattern. I only had to stagger him twice and he was gone. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping an enemy up in the air for its entire stagger time. Fang ends up doing well over 5000 per hit. :D
Cid did not phase me at all. When he was near the first Stagger I summoned Odin, staggered him in the beginning of Gestalt Mode, proceeded to to beat him up in Gestalt and then did the big attack. Odin attacking a staggered Raines reduced his health-bar from 75% to nothing in minutes.
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Chapter 10 Spoilers:
Beat Cid on my first try. He wasn't all that bad once I figured out his pattern. I only had to stagger him twice and he was gone. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping an enemy up in the air for its entire stagger time. Fang ends up doing well over 5000 per hit. :D
Cid did not phase me at all. When he was near the first Stagger I summoned Odin, staggered him in the beginning of Gestalt Mode, proceeded to to beat him up in Gestalt and then did the big attack. Odin attacking a staggered Raines reduced his health-bar from 75% to nothing in minutes.
That's a neat way of approaching it. I haven't used summons at all yet. Maybe I should start.
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Chapter 10 Spoilers:
Beat Cid on my first try. He wasn't all that bad once I figured out his pattern. I only had to stagger him twice and he was gone. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping an enemy up in the air for its entire stagger time. Fang ends up doing well over 5000 per hit. :D
Cid did not phase me at all. When he was near the first Stagger I summoned Odin, staggered him in the beginning of Gestalt Mode, proceeded to to beat him up in Gestalt and then did the big attack. Odin attacking a staggered Raines reduced his health-bar from 75% to nothing in minutes.
That's a neat way of approaching it. I haven't used summons at all yet. Maybe I should start.
Yeah, I noticed a couple of my friends almost all forgot that you have (and can use) those things ;D
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At Chapter 9 now.
I have to say my favorite paradigms:
Lighting - Ravager
Fang - Commander
Hope - Ravager
and
Lighting - Commander
Fang - Sentinel
Hope - Medic
With those two I am getting 5 stars on each battle...
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At Chapter 9 now.
I have to say my favorite paradigms:
Lighting - Ravager
Fang - Commander
Hope - Ravager
and
Lighting - Commander
Fang - Sentinel
Hope - Medic
With those two I am getting 5 stars on each battle...
In the next chapters you might find it to be a taaaad more difficult :P
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*agrees with Elsy*
This one has saved my ass numerous times:
Lightning - Medic
Fang - Sentinel
Hope - Medic
This one's great for building chains without having to worry about how mercilessly you're being pounded. I have it set as my active paradigm:
Lightning - Ravager
Fang - Commando
Hope - Medic
Also, this one is pretty much total win:
Lightning - Medic
Fang - Saboteur
Hope - Synergist
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I win. :metal
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Total playtime?
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52:00. I got the the final dungeon at about 40:00, but each group of monsters was like a boss fight and the final boss himself kept slapping me around, so I went back to Pulse and hunted shit and explored for a long time and trained. Came back, killed final boss first try. :tup
Really good game, in my opinion, but not a great game, especially when one considers it's a Final Fantasy. I don't mind the linear nature, really, what pisses me off is how poorly they treat the minor characters. Rosch, Rygdea, Jihl, Raines, etc., all had potential, all were wasted.
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Hm.
Now that I've beaten XIII, I think I'm going to go play X again, despite having beat it a couple times already. I've neglected it for too long. :hat
But I'm tempted to play through XIII again just to see all the pretty cutscenes and epic character development :lol
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I'll probably play through it again at some point for that very reason. This game looks absolutely stunning.
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I just finished Chapter 9. That boss was ridiculous.
Really? I thought he was super easy. Just tedious.
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https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII
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https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII
Though I liked FF13 a *little* better than that (and am happier I stuck with it now that I'm on Gran Pulse), that pretty much sums up my feelings.
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Take the time to max out your crystarium in just the primary roles and get every ability, then when you get to the end take a few minutes and give your party a max 2nd tier upgraded weapon.....not hard to do at all.
If you do this you will literally wipe the floor with Barthandelus and the penultimate boss...The penultimate boss I beat in 2 staggers, it wouldve been one but he breaks your stagger once you get him to 30%...use smart Bomb (Rav Rav Sab)on both of them after you buff up with your favorite synergist paradigm (I trained light as a synergist so I use Syn Syn Sent) and youll be doing 99k a hit on the bosses once staggered
Also.....Sacrifices go down easy if you imperil them first
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STAY AWAY FROM THE SUMMONER
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I'm on Chapter 11! :D Sadly I won't finish the game before my vacation unless I spam-play it this weekend.
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Ending spoilers:
After hating Hope for most of the game, I felt bad for him at the end. The others get Serah and Dajh back and he's just kind of standing there alone in the background. No happy ending for the kid with the unfortunate name.
By the way what the fuck happened with Rosch in Chapter 7? One moment he's giving his "why you suck" speech to Snow, then he suddenly gets gassed and shot without explanation, then a few chapters later he appears out of nowhere in his flying Final Fantasy VII reference.
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Grinding. It sucks.
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Ending spoilers:
After hating Hope for most of the game, I felt bad for him at the end. The others get Serah and Dajh back and he's just kind of standing there alone in the background. No happy ending for the kid with the unfortunate name.
By the way what the fuck happened with Rosch in Chapter 7? One moment he's giving his "why you suck" speech to Snow, then he suddenly gets gassed and shot without explanation, then a few chapters later he appears out of nowhere in his flying Final Fantasy VII reference.
I don't know, but the only people in FFXIII I care less about that the PCs are the NPCs, who I don't know anything about and who just seem like tons of wasted potential. Then again, I never touched the datalog.
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I usually don't post here much, but I've got a question for ya all. If someone, say me, didn't like Final Fantasy XII that much, but loved Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX and X. How much fun would I get out of the new final fantasy? I am probably gonna buy it anyhow, but it's okay to get some pointers!
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I hated XII, and I love XIII.
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I usually don't post here much, but I've got a question for ya all. If someone, say me, didn't like Final Fantasy XII that much, but loved Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX and X. How much fun would I get out of the new final fantasy? I am probably gonna buy it anyhow, but it's okay to get some pointers!
I loved X, was mostly apathetic while playing through XII, and move between "absolutely hating" to "liking with some reservations" XIII.
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I hated XII, and I really like XIII.
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:lol
I hated XII, and I really like XIII.
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X is the only one I've played, and I doubt other series would be better because X was just AWESOME. Compelling story, cool characters, cute main character(hell, for me, Aerith < Yuna), and great battle system. Ok, battle system may not be the best one out there, but the story makes up for it.
The ending is sad as hell.
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You need to play IX. IX > X
But I agree about X being an awesome game and having an awesome ending.
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Decided to sign up for the FFXIV beta. Doubt I'll get in (my video card was worse than the worst one they had listed), but oh well.
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You need to play IX. IX > X
This, and...
You need to play I, II, III, IV VII, VIII, IX, XII, because I, II, III, IV VII, VIII, IX, XII > X Might as well assume V and VI are, too, seeing as it would fit the pattern.
Great story for a game that's pretty much mediocre, otherwise.
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lol
III, 8 and XII are no where near the awesomeness of X (particularly III).
I haven't played I, II, IV and V.
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If I only rank the ones I've beaten or gotten to the end of:
VI>IX>X>VII>VIII>V>IV>poop>X-2
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Tactics > All. Different class of game I know, but it's still my favourite game with the FF monicker.
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>:( >:( >:(
How the hell am I supposed to beat Sazh's summon? It doesn't seem possible to keep up with the damage it's putting out and still fill up the Gestalt meter before I die. Here's what I've been doing, maybe there's some big thing I'm missing:
Battle Start
Libra
Switch to Tide Turner
Buff until Imperil is inflicted
Enthunder both of us
Switch to Slash and Burn
Fight until healing is necessary
Switch to War and Peace
Heal
Switch to Slash and Burn
If imperil wears off switch to Divide and Conquer
If buffs wear off switch to Archmage/Symbiosis
So, is there something I'm missing here, or do I just need to hope that the boss doesn't decide to crush me into dust on a whim?
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I can't remember how I beat it but I found it pretty fucking nails as well. Same with Vanille's.
So, I continued playing again after my big break from the game (decided I had been playing it way too much and if I continued, I would probably hate it). Went back and did a couple of side quests (the one at the top of that big tower with the giant musical thing and the one where you collect all the parts for Vanille's toy). Got a lot of money and XP from doing them :)
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So it turns out I should have been using Dualcasting instead of Slash and Burn. -_-
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You need to play IX. IX > X
This, and...
You need to play I, II, III, IV VII, VIII, IX, XII, because I, II, III, IV VII, VIII, IX, XII > X Might as well assume V and VI are, too, seeing as it would fit the pattern.
Great story for a game that's pretty much mediocre, otherwise.
wat
I've been playing through X again and I can honestly say it probably has my favorite battle system out of any game in the main series.
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Great. I obviously think X is a low point for the series. Seeing different opinions is so shocking, I know, especially when they've been discussed before in this thread.
For the PS2 games, the battle systems of X-2 and XII were both considerably better, if you ask me. Swapping characters in and out was one nice aspect of it, but battles were mostly uninteresting. The game did give some interesting boss fights, but things rarely felt very urgent or exciting.
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SPOILERS:
Is it just me or is the second time you fight Barthandelus REALLY FUCKING NAILS?!
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Just got XIII today, up to Chapter 3. I've found myself skipping a lot of cutscenes. I just want to play some game dagnabbit.
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Got to the last area but I've gone back to Pulse to do a lot of the missions and to level up.
I've done missions 1 - 29 and 58.
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I don't think I'll be finishing it on this Gamefly rental period. When I went to Florida, I lost interest. It was a combination of not playing any games, and then coming back to find that I have to CP grind in order to get anywhere. Not a fan of that. I'll finish it eventually, just not any time soon.
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I'm a huge FF fan, played all of them through till IX. Favourite is VIII, after replaying it I realized the genius behind the story, music, card game, and battle system.
I'm thinking of getting a console to play FF13 on. Should I spend on a PS3, so I can play X/X-2, XII, and XIII, or would a 360 be more worth it just to play 13? I'm torn between the two, as I heard the 360 is an infinitely better gaming console, but I really want to play X and XII!
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You can't play PS2 games on the PS3. Only PS1 games.
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I heard the 360 is an infinitely better gaming console
...signs say you have friends that don't think.
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The PS3 has more exclusives if you have a good gaming pc, but the 360 has more exclusives if you don't. That's the best way I found to decide on which to get. Of course get a PS2 to play the other ones.
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I'm a huge FF fan, played all of them through till IX. Favourite is VIII, after replaying it I realized the genius behind the story, music, card game, and battle system.
I'm thinking of getting a console to play FF13 on. Should I spend on a PS3, so I can play X/X-2, XII, and XIII, or would a 360 be more worth it just to play 13? I'm torn between the two, as I heard the 360 is an infinitely better gaming console, but I really want to play X and XII!
That's some serious bullshit right there.
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PS3 fanboy alert!
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Guilty as charged, but I've played 360 games excessively, and not one of them holds a candle to pretty much every PS3 game I've played.
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Guilty as charged, but I've played 360 games excessively, and not one of them holds a candle to pretty much every PS3 game I've played.
Mass Effect 2 wants a word with you. (inb4 calling faemir out for having it on pc)
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The PS3 has a handful of good exclusives. The rest are meh.
I know this because the only PS3 games I own are the exclusives.
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Guilty as charged, but I've played 360 games excessively, and not one of them holds a candle to pretty much every PS3 game I've played.
Mass Effect 2 wants a word with you. (inb4 calling faemir out for having it on pc)
The word "overrated" has an appointment with Mass Effect 2 at 5:00 in room B.
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Guilty as charged, but I've played 360 games excessively, and not one of them holds a candle to pretty much every PS3 game I've played.
Mass Effect 2 wants a word with you. (inb4 calling faemir out for having it on pc)
The word "overrated" has an appointment with Mass Effect 2 at 5:00 in room B.
In that case, it wants a word with several PS3 games too.
Oh wait, subjectivism failure.
SO BACK TO FINAL FANTASY
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Year of the Black Rainbow + final fantasy XIII = orgasm.
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You listen to music while playing final fantasy? :\
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Out of interest, how many of you FF fans have played Chrono Trigger, and what are your opinions on it?
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In my top 3 games ever, right alongside Earthbound and Silent Hill 2.
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You listen to music while playing final fantasy? :\
When I first got YOTBR. Had to choose and couldn't, so I did both. Trust me, it's amazing.
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chrono trigger is an amazing game and UMH should finish it! :D
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Out of interest, how many of you FF fans have played Chrono Trigger, and what are your opinions on it?
Great game with an equally great sequel, no matter what anyone else says.
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In my top 3 games ever, right alongside Earthbound and Silent Hill 2.
I approve of this Top 3.
Out of interest, how many of you FF fans have played Chrono Trigger, and what are your opinions on it?
Great game with an equally great sequel, no matter what anyone else says.
Chrono Cross certainly takes a lot more shit than it deserves. Excellent game, although I probably wouldn't put it quite on par with the original.
-J
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I wish I could take my vote back on this poll.
VII is overrated as.
VIII is where its at.
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So I just beat Vanille's eidolon. What an asshole of a boss that was.
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I think I'll play this game tonight. Yes.
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Just beat it :hat
Now I can return it to blockbuster and play my $12 FFXII.
Edit: I sorta wish there was an option for the Japanese voice acting. Some of my favorite Japanese VAs were in XIII, as opposed to the English cast which has one person I've even heard of (Snow is the same dude as Kanji from P4).
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I think the person who does Lightning's voice is the same person who does the doctor's voice in Mass Effect 1 & 2.
Anyway, I WISH THEY WOULD RELEASE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT VERSUS. IT SOUNDS AMAZING!
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I think the person who does Lightning's voice is the same person who does the doctor's voice in Mass Effect 1 & 2.
Anyway, I WISH THEY WOULD RELEASE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT VERSUS. IT SOUNDS AMAZING!
Liara's, yeah.
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I'm on 11, only playing mostly on weekends.
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I got a playstation store email update for PSone classic FFIX for PS3/PSP. I remembered starting this game quiet a while ago and playing for about 14 hours and then stopped for some reason. So, about a week or so ago, I decided to resume the game and haven't been able to stop since. I'm lovin' it!! :biggrin:
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:hat
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Great. I obviously think X is a low point for the series. Seeing different opinions is so shocking, I know, especially when they've been discussed before in this thread.
I've probably logged more hours on X than all of the rest combined. Side Quests, Celestial Weapons, Sphere Grid, Character Only Challenges, the Monster Arena. There's just so many things to do in X and I still haven't done everything yet.
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You need to play moar of IX then.
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WTF FFXIII!!! Giant killing tomatoes?!?!
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Is that stranger than the rest of the weird shit you fight in the series?
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Is that stranger than the rest of the weird shit you fight in the series?
True, but the game so far wasn't that strange in terms of the things you fight... then giant killing tomatoes show up!
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Oh good, Sazh "shoots" himself just when he was getting interesting... but of course he can't be dead if he just fought his Eidolon.
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Is that stranger than the rest of the weird shit you fight in the series?
True, but the game so far wasn't that strange in terms of the things you fight... then giant killing tomatoes show up!
There was a tomato fiend in FFXII, but it wasn't giant. Nothing really surprises me about the monsters you find in FF games.
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Hey, you got FFIX for the PS3, right? How does it look?
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Hey, you got FFIX for the PS3, right? How does it look?
Don't you mean XIII, because the IX you can download from the PS Store is a straight port from the original one.
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Is that stranger than the rest of the weird shit you fight in the series?
True, but the game so far wasn't that strange in terms of the things you fight... then giant killing tomatoes show up!
There was a tomato fiend in FFXII, but it wasn't giant. Nothing really surprises me about the monsters you find in FF games.
Final Fantasy takes monster inspirations from all sorts of sources. Monster tomatoes were the premise of a series of movies in the 70's and 80's and I would guess is the reference point for these creatures.
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Hey, you got FFIX for the PS3, right? How does it look?
Actually, I have the original PSX version of the game. But, like Dimi said, the PS store version is ported so it would look the same as the original for PSP and PS3.
Is that stranger than the rest of the weird shit you fight in the series?
True, but the game so far wasn't that strange in terms of the things you fight... then giant killing tomatoes show up!
There was a tomato fiend in FFXII, but it wasn't giant. Nothing really surprises me about the monsters you find in FF games.
Final Fantasy takes monster inspirations from all sorts of sources. Monster tomatoes were the premise of a series of movies in the 70's and 80's and I would guess is the reference point for these creatures.
Yep, FF games are inspired by a lot of different things. Even the storylines sometimes resemble or remind me of movies I've seen.
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Well. It's official. Traded in my copy of FFXIII while there still was some trade in value left. I'm officially done with looking forward to new things put out with the name Final Fantasy attached :-[
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Goddamnit Barthandelus!!!
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Do I get FF13 or FF7? Played neither (well, played the start of 7).
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
*in before faemir goes all "PC has the best them"*
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
*in before faemir goes all "PC has the best them"*
Good luck finding any graphics that surpass XIII. I think the opening sequence rivals Avatar.
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
*in before faemir goes all "PC has the best them"*
Good luck finding any graphics that surpass XIII. I think the opening sequence rivals Avatar.
*in before faemir shows you Crysis*
Which has some unbelievably great graphics.
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
*in before faemir goes all "PC has the best them"*
Good luck finding any graphics that surpass XIII. I think the opening sequence rivals Avatar.
>implying a pre-rendered sequence is 'graphics'
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7. If you want an awesome RPG with the best graphics anyone has ever seen, get 13.
*in before faemir goes all "PC has the best them"*
Good luck finding any graphics that surpass XIII. I think the opening sequence rivals Avatar.
>implying a pre-rendered sequence is 'graphics'
Okay, fine. I looked at some in-game screens of Crysis and then some in-game screens of FFXIII, and sorry, FF still wins.
Also, I've edited/reset the poll to allow XIII's inclusion. VOTE AGAIN!
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First image search results:
https://chrisevans3d.com/images/crysis_high_res/crysis8.jpg
https://favoniangamers.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tgs-final-fantasy-xiii-3.jpg
No way.
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First image search results:
https://chrisevans3d.com/images/crysis_high_res/crysis8.jpg
https://favoniangamers.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tgs-final-fantasy-xiii-3.jpg
No way.
That FFXIII pic is not from the final game build, but the graphics look very similar to the final build.
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Then what is? Cause a Final Fantasy 13 in game search gives almost nothing.
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Then what is? Cause a Final Fantasy 13 in game search gives almost nothing.
I just know it's not from the final game because of that information bar at the bottom is totally different from the one in the game. In the Google search, the second image, that one is from the final build and as I said, the graphics looks the same to the pic you posted.
FFXIII does have some of the best graphics I've ever seen on a console, though.
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If you want the best RPG ever, get 7.
I do really like 7, but it isn't even one of the best Final Fantasy titles. It has way too many annoying pieces and the first disc really drags the whole package down.
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First image search results:
https://chrisevans3d.com/images/crysis_high_res/crysis8.jpg
https://favoniangamers.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tgs-final-fantasy-xiii-3.jpg
No way.
Yeah, the FFXIII pic is still more impressive to me.
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lol
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First image search results:
https://chrisevans3d.com/images/crysis_high_res/crysis8.jpg
https://favoniangamers.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tgs-final-fantasy-xiii-3.jpg
No way.
Yeah, the FFXIII pic is still more impressive to me.
OK... you have issues.
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The charactar models looks nice but the background is shit besides the hi-res textures.
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The charactar models looks nice but the background is shit besides the hi-res textures.
I fail to see what looks so horrible about it.
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If you want one of the most timeless, influential JRPGs EVER, get Final Fantasy 7. If you'd pay $50 to stand in the lines at Disney World, get FFXIII. But, really, just go for American RPGs or the Persona games.
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The charactar models looks nice but the background is shit besides the hi-res textures.
I fail to see what looks so horrible about it.
There's no detail. The geometry is insanely simple - look at the platform the yellow dudes are on: it's just a flat plane with a texture layed on it - there's no detail on the model, not even any normal mapping or anything. There's little or no anti aliasing at parts, so the edges are rather rough and pixelated, and the guy in the center behind the dude who's in the air doesn't even appear to be casting a shadow.
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I still find people's ability to talk themselves into liking FF13 pretty funny.
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(https://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/836142109_AJGdT-L.jpg)
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I love the subtle mass effect reference ont he guy's jacket.
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It's a real jacket you can get from Bioware, and I want it desperately.
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VII is easily one of the best FF games, but IV and VI are both better. After those three there's not even much competition.
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I still find people's ability to talk themselves into liking FF13 pretty funny.
I find your apparently rabid distaste for it quite amusing as well.
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I still find people's ability to talk themselves into liking FF13 pretty funny.
I find your apparently rabid distaste for it quite amusing as well.
I don't know why. It's not like I didn't invest 30+ hours into it. But there's nothing I can really add to the game's well-acknowledged list of issues. And, honestly, barring the graphics, I've never heard anyone say anything good about it that wasn't preambled by a defense on the reasons why it had to be as disappointing as it is.
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I enjoyed it well enough, but it definitely felt considerably "shallower" than most of the other games in the series. I can't put my finger on what in particular I liked and disliked, but I thought it was okay overall.
Like FFX, the characters/plot are what mostly kept me playing rather than the gameplay, so--like FFX--I'm not sure I'll get the urge to play it again. However, all other things equal, FFX's plot ended up being superior IMO.
-J
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I still find people's ability to talk themselves into liking FF13 pretty funny.
I find your apparently rabid distaste for it quite amusing as well.
I don't know why. It's not like I didn't invest 30+ hours into it. But there's nothing I can really add to the game's well-acknowledged list of issues. And, honestly, barring the graphics, I've never heard anyone say anything good about it that wasn't preambled by a defense on the reasons why it had to be as disappointing as it is.
The battle system was great, the characters were great barring a few strange voice acting choices, the graphics were phenomenal, the story was interesting and engaging. What more do you need?
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the characters were great barring a few strange voice acting choices
Vanille!!! God is she annoying!
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Vanille's voice didn't really bother me that much.
Final Fantasy XIII was damn good. Way better the snooze fest that was XII.
Versus looks like it will be even better :hat
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The battle system was great
true
the characters were great
false
the graphics were phenomenal
true
the story was interesting and engaging.
false
What more do you need?
a decently-paced story? less hand-holding? non-linear dungeons? (especially when the whole game is a dungeon)
the pacing is the worst part and what makes the game unforgivable. though it creates some unintentional comedy when the music starts getting all dramatic over one small part of the plot being revealed.
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The battle system was great
true
the characters were great
false
the graphics were phenomenal
true
the story was interesting and engaging.
false
What more do you need?
a decently-paced story? less hand-holding? non-linear dungeons? (especially when the whole game is a dungeon)
the pacing is the worst part and what makes the game unforgivable. though it creates some unintentional comedy when the music starts getting all dramatic over one small part of the plot being revealed.
This. The story was far from great, and even if it was, most people would never know. Because the game used the CGI scenes up for showing how angsty and forced the characters were, and instead directed you to the in-menu encyclopedia if you wanted to know what was going on plot-wise.
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OK, I finished FFXIII this weekend. Not one of the better titles in the series, and the significant influence from X was unwelcome. Seems like a review should be a comparison to X, since these two games are much different game designs than the rest of the series.
Cyrstarium was mildly better than the Sphere Grid, both ultimately gave you next to no options until later in the game similarly to Sphere Grid. Yeah, the international Sphere Grid, which I have not been able to use, sounds the best of all three, though. As is, both just looked like wild structures for you to develop as you desire, but ultimately you have next to no choices to make.
The straight path was made much less obnoxious by eliminating random battles, having at least a little more variety, and consistent team/location switching in the first 6 or so chapters. The maps posted online were a bit of a joke fpr the first few chapters, you switch so often that it feels more like you're just facing a bunch of rooms in succession, not a straight line. You paste a bunch of small rectangles together and of course you get a straight line. Unlike X, which was most of the game, the tedium didn't sink in to get to you until maybe chapters 7-10.
The Calm Lands were a joke, pretty much just a fat path with a cave under the bridge, but Gran Pulse actually offered some exploration and uncovering extra cut scenes/story elements. Chapter 11 was a big factor in saving this games from the depths of Final Fantasy bottom feeders. First thing I did when getting to the open land, at my wife's behest and my own desire, was attack one of those gigantic creatures, it amused both of us how we died instantly.
The battle system was mostly enjoyable, but Paradigm control just wasn't quite enough. XII had gambits plus the ability to control everything if you needed or wanted to. At least basic gambits would have been nice, what spells do I prefer, etc. At least it was an active system, and the ratings really helped it along. I kind of like the idea of doing better gets better rewards as well as just having a rating, gives you something to strive for even in common battles. I personally liked the leader death caveat, annoyed me at first, but it was an interesting twist for one game.
Music, I personally like XII and XIII for in game music, but as standalone soundtracks I'm sure they're pretty boring. XII was much better than XIII here(and almost everywhere else).
My rankings would be:
II
XII
IX
IV
VII
III
XIII
I
VIII
X
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https://cgi.ebay.com/Final-Fantasy-X-2-Yuna-Summoner-Cosplay-Costume-FF-/110572348509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
I wanna cosplay as Yuna DTF. :sadpanda: Buh I lack teh funds.
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So, I'm finally trying to finish FFXIII. I sold a bunch of shit and bought 90 Superconductors so I could upgrade my weapons. Light has a fully upgraded Axis Blade now. :biggrin:
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FF8 = best game ever
FF6 isn't far behind though.
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https://cgi.ebay.com/Final-Fantasy-X-2-Yuna-Summoner-Cosplay-Costume-FF-/110572348509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
I wanna cosplay as Yuna DTF. :sadpanda: Buh I lack teh funds.
I'm sure some lonely, lonely young man will offer to buy it for you in exchange for pics of you wearing it.
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I probably would. Yuna is the hottest character in video game history.
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I'm one trophie away from platinuming FF13. .... But I really don't feel like getting every item in the game, weapon upgrades are a bitch
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Silver Tears and me are playing IX at the moment. Just finished the bit where Brahne attacks Lindblum.
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Are you off work today?
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Nope. Starting my second last week of working for Marathon today.
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Isn't it like 8 am over there right now?
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7AM.
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Oh wow it feels a lot later than it is.
DISREGARD ME I SUCK COCKS
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...Will?
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:rollin
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https://cgi.ebay.com/Final-Fantasy-X-2-Yuna-Summoner-Cosplay-Costume-FF-/110572348509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
I wanna cosplay as Yuna DTF. :sadpanda: Buh I lack teh funds.
I'm sure some lonely, lonely young man will offer to buy it for you in exchange for pics of you wearing it.
That reminds me of when I checked the Chat Thread and all I remember was seeing something like :
"Girls boobs giggle when they laugh.
GOD I'M SO LONELY"
:lol
And what would be the point of getting a costume like that and not posting pics on DTF. That's the first thing I'd do.
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So, I'm finally trying to finish FFXIII. I sold a bunch of shit and bought 90 Superconductors so I could upgrade my weapons. Light has a fully upgraded Axis Blade now. :biggrin:
That's actually not that impressive, although the Axis blade was her best first level weapon, in my opinion. Maxing a first level just isn't too hard after you get through chapter 11. Try to synth it up to a second level weapon during the ending chapters if you want something both stronger and not too hard to do. You can purchase something that works for the Axis Blade fairly cheaply, plus the new weapon recharges her gauge even faster. I got two or three weapons as maxed out second level ones before beating the game. Didn't get any weapons into the third level, though, never found the right material to up them.
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Yeah, but I'm having a pretty massive gil shortage right now though. 90 superconductors isn't the cheapest purchase.
Also, I beat Vanille's summon today after about 50 tries. That fucker was relentless.
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That's really good if you just got her summon, especially since the Axis Blade is Lightning's best weapon, don't bother with the later ones you find. Recharging the ATB is way too powerful, ruinga or blitz or both + haste + Axis or upgrade + sentinel support vs. grouped enemies is an extremely violent way to go. That sentinel makes many enemies congregate in one location while you can get Lightning chaining her attacks with next to no pause. It won't finish most battles, but it sure does give you a free pass for your synergist to beef everyone up quickly then let the group launch into all out attack.
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Yeah, I feel my party until the end of the game will be Light, Hope, and Fang. Hope is a hell of a synergist, and Fang is a hell of a Saboteur. Slowga FTW.
Though, does Hope EVER learn Haste?
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Yeah, I believe he does after Chapter 11, but I'm not certain since I didn't use him much. I used Sazh, instead.
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FF9 is the best one, just narrowly beating FF6 and FF4.
But I've always hated FF7. *Flameshield*
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But I've always hated FF7. *Flameshield*
Why am I not surprised?
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7 is good but 9 is way better.
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I need to play through X again to see how it competes. Right now I'd say it's a tie between VII and X. I still need to finish IX.
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Snape kills Zidane
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wait
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Snape kills Aeris.
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Hey now, no real spoilers.
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But I've always hated FF7. *Flameshield*
Why am I not surprised?
I always hated most things about 7. The characters bored me (Cloud being the worst protaganist of the whole FF series, ib4rage), the story was bleh, etc.
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Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
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Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
I haven't played ten yet. I had a copy, but it never worked past the opening scene, so I can't judge FFX without watching a playthrough on youtube or something.
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Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
I haven't played ten yet. I had a copy, but it never worked past the opening scene, so I can't judge FFX without watching a playthrough on youtube or something.
WTF. Play it.
Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
Eh. I dunno. Squall was kind of a cuntbasket.
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Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
I haven't played ten yet. I had a copy, but it never worked past the opening scene, so I can't judge FFX without watching a playthrough on youtube or something.
WTF. Play it.
Tidus was easily the worst protagonist of the series.
Eh. I dunno. Squall was kind of a cuntbasket.
It doesn't work past the opening scene and I don't have the money to get a new copy.
Also, I managed to tolerate Squall. He's nothing special, but I didn't find him THAT annoying.
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At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
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Zidane is the best protagonist in the whole series.
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I think, for the most part, IX had the best collection characters in the series.
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I think, for the most part, IX had the best collection characters in the series.
Agreed. I think everything just went perfectly. It takes the parts that made the old school games so good, but took advantage of what the Playstation could do at the time and expanded on that so much. The story, the music, the characters, the battle system, all of them were just flawless. And the ending was absolutely amazing, it actually moved me to tears.
And for the record, I actually like Quina as a character :neverusethis:
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At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
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At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
Cloud still exists you know.
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I meant: "At least Squall wasn't as whiny as Tidus".
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At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
You and I have been agreeing a lot today, Rich. o/
Also, IX's characters are pretty good, yes. I'd gladly have Garnet, which is always a plus. Yuna was something else though. I was genuinely attracted to her.
At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
Cloud still exists you know.
WTF no.
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At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
You and I have been agreeing a lot today, Rich. o/
Also, IX's characters are pretty good, yes. I'd gladly have Garnet, which is always a plus. Yuna was something else though. I was genuinely attracted to her.
At least Squall wasn't a whiny bitch.
WHAT?! Squall was the whiniest loser in any game ever. Definitely the worst FF protagonist.
Cloud still exists you know.
WTF no.
Cloud was one of the worst characters I've ever seen in a Final Fantasy game.
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Okay, but just because you don't like him doesn't make him whiny. Hell, I thought Squall was a fine character, but he was the whiniest son of a bitch ever.
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*\o
Neither Cloud or Tidus are nearly as whiny as Squall. Shame as some of the sub characters in VIII are good (like Quistis... hot!), but the main one sucking brought the game down quite a lot for me.
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There's a reason why everybody plays Dissidia for the sole purpose of beating up Tidus.
Also, the shitty story brought 8 down, not the characters.
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Okay, but just because you don't like him doesn't make him whiny. Hell, I thought Squall was a fine character, but he was the whiniest son of a bitch ever.
I was referring to Rich saying that Squall was the worst FF protaganist, I wasn't saying he was whiny or anything.
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Eugh, Quistis was not hot. Never had the desire for her. Rinoa on the other hand. :heart
Okay, but just because you don't like him doesn't make him whiny. Hell, I thought Squall was a fine character, but he was the whiniest son of a bitch ever.
I was referring to Rich saying that Squall was the worst FF protaganist, I wasn't saying he was whiny or anything.
Ah. My mistake. You're still wrong though.
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This thread needs moar FFT love. That game is just a joy to play, especially singe character-class challenges or a Ramza-only challenge (I've actually done it and it revolves around spamming your awesome Squire abilities)
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Oh yeah, I also forgot to complain about the lame airship you get at first and the mini-game where you have to catch Rinoa in space AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE JUNCTIONING SYSTEM
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The junction system was like skullfucking yourself.
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The junction system was like skullfucking yourself.
The junctioning system was pretty simple to me, I actually found it similar to FF6's system.
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It was simple but I didn't really like it.
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The materia system will forever be the best them.
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The materia system will forever be the best them.
lol
FF5 still exists man
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The materia system will forever be the best them.
lol
FF5 still exists man
Thank you for that information. I thought it asploded and everyone instantly forgot about its existence because it no longer existed. Materia still fucks it over though.
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Na dude. JOB SYSTEM!
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MATERIA. MORE CUSTOMIZATION FTW.
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OK, what are people's basic rankings of the playable characters? Grouped in basically positive, neutral, and negative colours. For comparison I'll list the games in order of how I rank them overall. Not surprising to see some correlation between feelings for characters and how I rank the games.
II: Firion > Minwu > Maria > Leon > Ricard > Leila > Josef > Guy > Scott > Gordon
XII: Penelo > Vaan > Balthier > Fran > Reddas > Ashe > Larsa > Reks > Basch > Vossler
IX: Zidane > Garnet > Steiner > Beatrix > Vivi > Freya > Marcus > Blank > Amarant > Cinna > Quina > Eiko
IV: Kain > Rosa > Rydia > Cecil > Fusoya > Yang > Edge > Tellah > Porom > Cid > Edward > Palom
VII: Yuffie > Cloud > Tifa > Nanaki > Vincent > Barrett > Aeris > Cid > Cait Sith
III: Refia > Luneth > Ingus > Arc
XIII: Sazh > Lightning > Fang > Hope > Vanille > Snow
I:
VIII: Edea > Rinoa > Squall > Quistis > Ward > Kiros > Selphis > Laguna > Irvine > Seifer > Zell
X: Auron > Rikku > Yuna > Tidus > Kimahri > Lulu > Seymour > Wakka
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'Scuse me. What the FUCK is wrong with Barrett?
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I must be the only person that likes Quina :sadpanda:
Plus he makes fighting Ozma SO MUCH EASIER, Angel Snack ftw
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'Scuse me. What the FUCK is wrong with Barrett?
He was an obnoxious dick? :lol
In the beginning of the game he's brash about he whole situation and doesn't weigh the consequences for anyone but his friends. He has a violent temper and shoots stray bullets into the air frequently. Rage just seems to be a blinding factor to his character, hard to appreciate that.
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Yeah, but he had a fucking GUN ARM. He was the most badass character in the entire series, but he was totally motivated by his daughter. He embodies what every father wants to be.
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He was an obnoxious dick? :lol
In the beginning of the game he's brash about he whole situation and doesn't weigh the consequences for anyone but his friends. He has a violent temper and shoots stray bullets into the air frequently. Rage just seems to be a blinding factor to his character, hard to appreciate that.
But....but..... the daughter :sadpanda:
Nah. Replaying it, I've realized that I really don't care for most of the VII characters either. But I still love the game for other things like the kickass music, atmosphere, and materia system. And even if most of the characters' personalities don't mesh with me, there are a lot of story elements that I enjoy. As boring as Cloud may be as a main character, I still love his flashback section(s) and interactions with Sephiroth. Characters are sort of the low point, but it somehow manages to make up for it in other ways. And I'm 75% sure it's not just nostalgia.
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Hey, I loved Vossler! Minus the whole betraying you part.
And I loved Barrett during my first play through the game when I was a lot younger, but as I grew older and more reasonable... he started to annoy me, because yeah, he's an obnoxious dick.
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Yeah, but he had a fucking GUN ARM. He was the most badass character in the entire series, but he was totally motivated by his daughter. He embodies what every father wants to be.
I sure as Hell hope I'm never a father like that. He also wasn't a badass at all. Complete lacking of outward control doesn't describe someone that is badass, it describes a silly child.
Hey, I loved Vossler! Minus the whole betraying you part.
Vossler was just too straight up, he actually struck me as a potential slime ball soon after meeting him because of that. I suppose the fact that he was left me with a negative opinion of him.
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At least Cloud and Tidus had something called character development.
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Yeah, I didn't hate Cloud and Tidus as much as everyone else seems to. But fuck Cloud in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, they make him fit all the stereotypes about him and... :facepalm:
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I think Tidus would have been a bit more well received if some of the more cringe worthy lines were delivered a bit better, or were even just better written. Like that damn laughing scene.
As for Cloud, I wouldn't say I hate him (well, the one in VII. I like to pretend Advent Children doesn't exist) but I would never use him as an example of a particularly likable protagonist. Yeah he becomes less of an asshole throughout the game, but take out the asshole and he's just..... bland.
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It took me a while to remember who Barret was, because I always renamed him Shaft.
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I must be the only person that likes Quina :sadpanda:
Plus he makes fighting Ozma SO MUCH EASIER, Angel Snack ftw
I'm just indifferent to him. His blue magic in late game is fucking amazing though. I did the frog catching game A LOT so my frog drop spell was always really good at the end.
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It took me a while to remember who Barret was, because I always renamed him Shaft.
:lol
I agree that Tidus COULD have been a good character, if he was only given better lines and perhaps even switch out the voice actor. Yuna's voice acting wasn't that good either...
It's weird Square-Enix choose two average voice actors for their debut PS2 game, the first one with voice actors. WTF were they thinking? Learn from Bioware, ALWAYS great dialogs! :tup
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Why do people not like Snow? You keep bitching about how whiny previous protagonists are, so they give you someone awesome like Snow and...you hate him?
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Probably all that "hero" crap he keeps talking about.
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I really liked Snow during the first couple of chapters but he got old really fast.
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Barrett was badass, and had an excellent character development throughout the game. Definitely one of my favourite FF characters.
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At least Cloud and Tidus had something called character development.
:lol
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I would clarify red colours on my list meant more negative feelings, not that I necessarily hated the character. Think of it as the ones that have dipped below indifference or a mild liking of them, some I did pretty much hate, but definitely not all.
Why do people not like Snow? You keep bitching about how whiny previous protagonists are, so they give you someone awesome like Snow and...you hate him?
As said, the hero nonsense makes him annoying, plus he is a lot of talk without any evidence to back it up early on. He is a bit of a fool. Now, I had negative feelings more generally for him, but I didn't exactly hate him. By the end of the game I was mostly fine with him since he didn't go on as much about being a hero, but what I liked was his story with Hope, not his story with Serah. In fact, while Hope wasn't the greatest character alone, his relationships with Snow and Lightning really worked well for me.
Barrett was badass.
A badass poses a calm, collected exterior and has a sense of danger without having to be showy for people to see it. Barrett throws tantrums regularly. He is someone to be afraid of and an ass, but he is out of control and needlessly violent.
Auron and Minwu are good examples of badasses in Final Fantasy. Minwu was so awesome they made every lead White Mage since him a beautiful woman.
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Agreed on all points.
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I just got an open beta invite for FF XIV. I never played XI so I don't know how the last MMO was but I'm looking forward to trying this one.
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I just got an open beta invite for FF XIV. I never played XI so I don't know how the last MMO was but I'm looking forward to trying this one.
Nice! I'm hoping I get one soon. Let us know how you like it
btw are we still up for a ff playthrough on dtf?
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I just got an open beta invite for FF XIV. I never played XI so I don't know how the last MMO was but I'm looking forward to trying this one.
Me too, but they've indefinitely postponed the start of the open beta due to "critical bugs".
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I'd be pretty excited about the beta invite in my inbox if my lips weren't surgically attached to GW2's meat scepter.
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Well I already paid for FFXIV, so...
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Beta will be open tonight at 19:00 PDT :caffeine:
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Just got Dissidia. Haven't played it yet but I will give you my thoughts on it later.
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Just got Dissidia. Haven't played it yet but I will give you my thoughts on it later.
I want to get back to this to finish up the later stories, great game for Final Fantasy fans. I loved how much time Firion and The Emperor got in the story.
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Dissidia's great, and it's extremely long if you play all the stories.
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Finally got my character made in FFXIV. My laptop cannot handle this game and the installation keeps crashing on the desktop :yeahright
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So guys, tell me what you think about this challenge for FFIX
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197338-final-fantasy-ix/faqs/41181
I struggle to believe that is even remotely possible but the sadistic masochist inside of me wants to actually attempt it.
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Sounds like a guide for people with an unhealthy fixation on the game. At the point of someone doing that, it is just following a technical manual to perform tedious tasks aimed at meaningless goals. You would have to really love the game to even think about it, but when you're following instructions to that level of detail you're just being a machine.
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I love that game and I've never even gotten the Excalibur II >.>
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wtf
How are you supposed to get that far in 12 hours?
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wtf
How are you supposed to get that far in 12 hours?
I have no fucking clue but from what I've seen watching youtube vids, you skip through all the dialogue as fast as you can and skip all the ATE's (except the ones that aren't skipable) and use the amv trick (the one that doesn't count the timer during them) and just get through the game as fast as fucking possible.
The thing is, this guide also says doing the whole game straight from level 1, all the way to Excaliber II. That is madness.
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Finally got my character made in FFXIV. My laptop cannot handle this game and the installation keeps crashing on the desktop :yeahright
I created my character tonight and have been playing it all night basically. It's pretty fun once you get into it, Im not sure whether or not I'm going to buy it. I probably will eventually.
Do you have a PS3, maybe you can wait for that release to play it?
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Finally got my character made in FFXIV. My laptop cannot handle this game and the installation keeps crashing on the desktop :yeahright
I created my character tonight and have been playing it all night basically. It's pretty fun once you get into it, Im not sure whether or not I'm going to buy it. I probably will eventually.
Do you have a PS3, maybe you can wait for that release to play it?
I've already paid for the PC version :lol
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So guys, tell me what you think about this challenge for FFIX
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197338-final-fantasy-ix/faqs/41181
I struggle to believe that is even remotely possible but the sadistic masochist inside of me wants to actually attempt it.
Fuck that.
But I remember thinking I was pretty badass as a little kid for losing no matches of the card game whatsoever and completing all of the chocobo stuff like getting mognet central and what have you. And beating that one hidden guy before the last boss to get....crap, I don't even remember :lol
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Hades, he gives you a Pumice Piece
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So guys, tell me what you think about this challenge for FFIX
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197338-final-fantasy-ix/faqs/41181
I struggle to believe that is even remotely possible but the sadistic masochist inside of me wants to actually attempt it.
Fuck that.
But I remember thinking I was pretty badass as a little kid for losing no matches of the card game whatsoever and completing all of the chocobo stuff like getting mognet central and what have you. And beating that one hidden guy before the last boss to get....crap, I don't even remember :lol
Did you ever beat Ozma as a kid?
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So I guess FF14 has a lot of blatantly copy/pasted terrain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9nLBfH44c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs&feature=channel
Funny thing is I was reading a thread on this on a FF14 forum, and the fanboys were saying that anyone that gets upset over this are just shallow for caring about graphics over gameplay :lol
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Here's a useful comment on one of the videos:
"WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS THE AND i mean THEE GAYEST GAME EVER MADE!!!! it belongs in the trash with all the other shitty mmos"
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It's true, I once went back to reinstall the game and discovered the CDs were just hardened poop (no idea how I never noticed that before). It then proceed to hit on me.
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So I just realized.
Quina is a Qu.
Qu is supposed to be pronounced as Ku, at least if we are to believe the katakana...
Ku is japanese for "eat".
:rollin
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Has anyone played XIV? Is it good?
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it's ok.
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FFXIII is the first one I'm playing through all the way and it will also be my last. At this point I'm not even playing it because it's a great game, but merely because of the grand scale and I'm too involved at this point. Much better games in the genre out there.
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Do NOT let XIII ruing the entire series for you. Play one of the other classic ones before you give up on it.
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Do NOT let XIII ruing the entire series for you. Play one of the other classic ones before you give up on it.
this. 13 is a bad final fantasy to start with
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I've briefly played and seen older ones, this wasn't my very first exposure to the game.
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Oh, well I guess you just fail then.
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Oh, well I guess you just fail then.
No fucking way. Not Nick.
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Oh, well I guess you just fail then.
No fucking way. Not Nick.
:lol
Seriously, play FF9. You won't regret it. Unless you fail of course, but we all know that could never happen.
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The dialog in this thread is as predictable as it is poor.
And yet it still manages to be way better than the dialog in FFXIII.
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The dialog in this thread is as predictable as it is poor.
And yet it still manages to be way better than the dialog in FFXIII.
To be fair, I can count the number of games on one hand that don't have painful dialog.
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The dialog in this thread is as predictable as it is poor.
Ever stop to think that with all the dozens of people saying you fail that perhaps it is you, not us?
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The dialog in this thread is as predictable as it is poor.
Ever stop to think that with all the dozens of people saying you fail that perhaps it is you, not us?
Speaking of dozens, here is a game that will kill you really quick. Take a shot every time Snow uses the word hero and it makes you cringe. After a dozen minutes you'll be dead.
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Oh, I didn't say FFXIII didn't have horrible dialogue. It does. :P I hate Snow.
But it's one of the very worst in the series.
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BTW, just landed on Gran Pulse, how far through the game am I?
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BTW, just landed on Gran Pulse, how far through the game am I?
From what I remember hearing when the game came out, I think you've just left the tutorial.
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Oh lovely. :lol
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Goddamnit Snow is awesome. I guess you guys just like emo bitches and children.
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Oh lovely. :lol
No no, you're almost done. Three more chapters. Gran Pulse is the longest chapter though, and it has a lot of sidequests and such (pretty much just hunting down monsters, this can be skipped, though it'll make the final area easier).
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Gran Pulse is the only part of the game that is more interesting than a hallway.
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Oh lovely. :lol
No no, you're almost done. Three more chapters. Gran Pulse is the longest chapter though, and it has a lot of sidequests and such (pretty much just hunting down monsters, this can be skipped, though it'll make the final area easier).
Oh good, I think I'll find Gran Pulse a bit more interesting now that everything is unlocked and there is room to roam.
As far as Snow, yeah, he's awesome if you compare him to the douchebag that is Hope. I think Hope is short for I Hope this little dipshit would just die already.
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Snow is awesome because he's the kind of guy that would tell you to believe in him who believes in you.
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2pos1tc.jpg)
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Yeah, Gran Pulse was probably more than half of the game time for me. It actually had a little bit of exploring and what not, plus some hidden cutscenes, Beyond that, it's a long chapter, too. Too bad they couldn't make most of the game like that chapter.
Just be happy random battles are gone, imagine XIII with even less interesting paths and random battles and you have X. Except in X you can explore the world with your airship by randomly clicking on a map to see if anything is there. ...exciting! The people behind X and XIII hopefully never come back to the series.
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X is good...way better than XII and XIII anyway.
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X is good
Yeah.
...way better than XII
No.
and XIII anyway.
Maybe.
-J
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X is good...way better than XII and XIII anyway.
Although I still do like XII and XIII.
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X is good...way better than XII and XIII anyway.
I will agree with you on this. X was great
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Might be nostalgia but X is my fourth or fifth favorite.
VI, VII and IX are at the top, and are always switching places.
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As though we haven't done it enough times in this thread, let's RANK SOME SHIT
FFIX
FFVI
FFVII
FFX
FFV
FFVIII
FFIV
FFXIII
FFII
FFI
FFIII
FFXII
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Oh god, what have I done. Fine.
First three switch places ALL THE TIME, as do IV, V, XII, and II -- I love them all. VIII I need to give another chance, there are genuinely elements I enjoy, but it's so slow and I don't care for the battle system.
VI
VII
IX
X
IV
V
XII
II
I
XIII
VIII
III
XI (I've played it, I'm counting it)
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Your placement of VIII is disgusting.
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FFIX is so much better than XIII, and the proof is in that I have had more fun playing the Chocobo minigame for 2 hours than I did for all of FFXIII.
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I think he was talking about 8, not 13
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Your placement of VIII is disgusting.
II
XII
IX
IV
VII
III
XIII
I
VIII
X
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I think he was talking about 8, not 13
I know, this is an unrelated thought :p
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FFIX is so much better than XIII, and the proof is in that I have had more fun playing the Chocobo minigame for 2 hours than I did for all of FFXIII.
Holy shit, now that I think back on it I did too. That's kind of sad, Square.
Your placement of VIII is disgusting.
II
XII
IX
IV
VII
III
XIII
I
VIII
X
Ever get around to VI?
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IX
VI
IV
V
I
VIII (I liked the junction system, sue me :loser: )
III
II
VII
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Ever get around to VI?
Not yet. I do really want to play VI, but I don't have so much free time that I'm rushing to do so. Probably next year, we'll see.
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VI was just so awesome. its my favorite FF
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I'm digging the love for VI. To me, it's the best by far.
VI
IX
VII
V
XII
I
X
VIII
IV
XIII
II
III
Several of those change around at times, but VI, IX, and VII are perennially at the top.
V and XII are ranked highly because I really enjoyed the gameplay, even though the plots were mostly crap. X and VIII are pretty much the opposite: I liked the stories, but I thought the gameplay was lacking, and I find the latter to be more important if I'm forced to choose, especially for repeated play-throughs.
-J
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Of the ones I've played:
VIII
VII
X
IV
IX
edit: Forgot a "I" each in 7 and 8.
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Of the ones I've played:
VIII
VII
X
IV
IX
edit: Forgot a "I" each in 7 and 8.
There is no way in hell that 9 is worse than 7 or 8.
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It wouldn't be if the equipment/ability system didn't blow so hard.
edit: The weapon manual things in 8 were pretty terrible, but I was able to get through the whole game with the weapons you start with fine so it's not too big a deal to me.
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It wouldn't be if the equipment/ability system didn't blow so hard.
edit: The weapon manual things in 8 were pretty terrible, but I was able to get through the whole game with the weapons you start with fine so it's not too big a deal to me.
wtf I loved the equipment/ability system in FF9. Its absolutely perfect. Plus Zidane is the best lead character in the entire series.
I didn't mind junction system in FF8 and actually kind of liked it, but the story was weaksauce.
FF7 had to have the worst story in the series and I didn't really care for the materia system.
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I agree with most of that but I don't think there was anything wrong with the story or the materia system in 7.
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I agree with most of that but I don't think there was anything wrong with the story or the materia system in 7.
I didn't like it. Most of the story in FF7 just made me call BS most of the time. :|
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I quit IX once I reached the point where I had 3 weapons that were upgrades to what I was currently using and all of them had abilities I would have wanted to keep. I'm sure the game has a great story, but I wasn't going to fight with a game I wasn't enjoying to get to it.
Admittedly I haven't played 8 for awhile so maybe it's not as good as I remember, but I've always had a soft spot for more technologically advanced settings. 7 had that plus a dark tone, which is another thing I'm a sucker for. I'm pretty sure I've gone into why I like 7 so much in this thread before, so I don't feel like repeating it :P
I didn't like it. Most of the story in FF7 just made me call BS most of the time. :|
It's Final Fantasy, isn't all of it just strings of BS thrown together? :lol
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I quit IX once I reached the point where I had 3 weapons that were upgrades to what I was currently using and all of them had abilities I would have wanted to keep. I'm sure the game has a great story, but I wasn't going to fight with a game I wasn't enjoying to get to it.
Admittedly I haven't played 8 for awhile so maybe it's not as good as I remember, but I've always had a soft spot for more technologically advanced settings. 7 had that plus a dark tone, which is another thing I'm a sucker for. I'm pretty sure I've gone into why I like 7 so much in this thread before, so I don't feel like repeating it :P
I didn't like it. Most of the story in FF7 just made me call BS most of the time. :|
It's Final Fantasy, isn't all of it just strings of BS thrown together? :lol
FF9 is a LOT darker than people give it credit for. You don't really see it at first, but as you progress it does get darker and darker. I'd spoil but you haven't seen it yet!
Also, you just need to grind out the abilities so when you learn them, you get to keep them. Then you can move on to the next weapon. Just don't run from any random battles and you should be fine. Keeping the weaker weapon for the moment won't impede your ability to progress at all.
And yeah, I suppose so, but so much moreso in FF7 than any other game.
But FFT just might be the best Final Fantasy game.
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That it is. I would have listed it, but figured we were ignoring spinoffs.
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It wouldn't be if the equipment/ability system didn't blow so hard.
edit: The weapon manual things in 8 were pretty terrible, but I was able to get through the whole game with the weapons you start with fine so it's not too big a deal to me.
FF9 is one of my favorites, but one of my few gripes with it is how damn long the battle intro is. Absolutely maddening after awhile. Don't really see a problem with the equipment thing at all, especially when compared to abominations like X and VIII (the equipment systems, not the games).
-J
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FF9 is one of my favorites, but one of my few gripes with it is how damn long the battle intro is.
OH GOD THIS
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But FFT just might be the best Final Fantasy game.
I like you.
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But FFT just might be the best Final Fantasy game.
I like you.
:biggrin:
Seriously, there's so much to do in FFT. Even if you've beaten the main game and done all the side-quests, you can do a Ramza solo run (This is actually pretty fun to be kicking ass solo if you know how to do it) or do a Single Class Challenge (Entire party being one class throughout the whole game; like a group of knights from start to finish).
That and I love the story.
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
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Okay, Brian.
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
(https://www.myfacewhen.com/images/44.jpg)
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
How can a game without any bee shooting guns or lightning shuriken be the best game ever made?
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
How can a game without any bee shooting guns or lightning shuriken be the best game ever made?
It has a huge fucking sword! How can a game with a huge fucking sword not be the best? Its not like anyone has ever done that before...
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
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I'm going to assume (hope) that what it does involve is pretending that all of the horrific Golden Saucer minigames don't exist. :P
Also how crappy FF combat systems usually are. Turn based combat is fine if it makes up for it in being highly strategic, which FFVII really isn't.
Oh, and the terrible Chocobo breeding side quest.
Wow, I might have to change my FF rankings :lol
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Do it. I'm interested in why its better than easily 100 different games I could name.
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I'm going to assume (hope) that what it does involve is pretending that all of the horrific Golden Saucer minigames don't exist. :P
Also how crappy FF combat systems usually are. Turn based combat is fine if it makes up for it in being highly strategic, which FFVII really isn't.
Oh, and the terrible Chocobo breeding side quest.
Wow, I might have to change my FF rankings :lol
None of those things really make much difference to the overall impact of the game.
I disagree that the combat system is crappy. The Materia system is infact highly technical and there are absolutely tons of crazy combinations with some of the later Materias. With a system like FFX, it offers more stratergy, yes. But I enjoy having to act fast and rely on using a certain combination of moves. It's one of the reasons I love the PS1 FF's. Sometimes a simple approach works best.
It has to be said that all of the battle systems in FF are very good. Even 13's (although I absolutely hate the game)
The chocobo breeding is awesome. Definitely the best Chocobo side-quest in FF history.
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Do it. I'm interested in why its better than easily 100 different games I could name.
There is no way there are 100 games better than FFVII. Not a chance. I'd maybe let you have 10, but it would have to be an extremely well thought-out list.
I've played quite a lot of games in my time. Not as much as some. But FFVII has always been my personal favourite. Not just because of the memories; it's the impact it had on gaming, and how it was way ahead of it's time. (yet still mega successful)
Go on give me 10. I'm up for some debate. I'll give you 10 of mine that could (perhaps) match the brilliance of FF7.
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Do it. I'm interested in why its better than easily 100 different games I could name.
There is no way there are 100 games better than FFVII. Not a chance. I'd maybe let you have 10, but it would have to be an extremely well thought-out list.
I've played quite a lot of games in my time. Not as much as some. But FFVII has always been my personal favourite. Not just because of the memories; it's the impact it had on gaming, and how it was way ahead of it's time. (yet still mega successful) And the storyline and setting is just pure harmony.
Go on give me 10. I'm up for some debate. I'll give you 10 of mine that could (perhaps) match the brilliance of FF7.
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Do it. I'm interested in why its better than easily 100 different games I could name.
There is no way there are 100 games better than FFVII. Not a chance. I'd maybe let you have 10, but it would have to be an extremely well thought-out list.
I've played quite a lot of games in my time. Not as much as some. But FFVII has always been my personal favourite. Not just because of the memories; it's the impact it had on gaming, and how it was way ahead of it's time. (yet still mega successful)
Go on give me 10. I'm up for some debate. I'll give you 10 of mine that could (perhaps) match the brilliance of FF7.
ET for the Atari had a HUGE impact for the gaming community (I'd wager its far more important than the entire Final Fantasy series), but that doesn't make it a great game. Nonetheless, my list of ten favorite games ever.
And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game. Arbitrary factors like sales and influence don't mean shit to me.
1. Xenogears
2. Sonic 3 and Knuckles (My entire childhood wrapped itself around this entire fucking game and its still insanely fun)
3. Phantasy Star IV
4. Mega Man X
5. Final Fantasy IX
6. Parasite Eve
7. Super Mario World
8. Dynamite Headdy
9. Ecco the Dolphin
10. Sonic Adventure (Say what you will about camera and extra characters, etc. I didn't mind them at all. And the ending to this game was the pure definition of epic, including the final boss and the final boss music :metal )
This is just ten games. I can easily do 10x this.
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And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game.
Exactly. So, why even argue about it?
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And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game.
Exactly. So, why even argue about it?
Part of his reasoning is that FF7's influence over the gaming industry makes it the best game ever. Which to me is horseshit.
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I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Do it. I'm interested in why its better than easily 100 different games I could name.
There is no way there are 100 games better than FFVII. Not a chance. I'd maybe let you have 10, but it would have to be an extremely well thought-out list.
I've played quite a lot of games in my time. Not as much as some. But FFVII has always been my personal favourite. Not just because of the memories; it's the impact it had on gaming, and how it was way ahead of it's time. (yet still mega successful)
Go on give me 10. I'm up for some debate. I'll give you 10 of mine that could (perhaps) match the brilliance of FF7.
ET for the Atari had a HUGE impact for the gaming community (I'd wager its far more important than the entire Final Fantasy series), but that doesn't make it a great game. Nonetheless, my list of ten favorite games ever.
And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game. Arbitrary factors like sales and influence don't mean shit to me.
1. Xenogears
2. Sonic 3 and Knuckles (My entire childhood wrapped itself around this entire fucking game and its still insanely fun)
3. Phantasy Star IV
4. Mega Man X
5. Final Fantasy IX
6. Parasite Eve
7. Super Mario World
8. Dynamite Headdy
9. Ecco the Dolphin
10. Sonic Adventure (Say what you will about camera and extra characters, etc. I didn't mind them at all. And the ending to this game was the pure definition of epic, including the final boss and the final boss music :metal )
This is just ten games. I can easily do 10x this.
Bar Xenogears, there is no way any of those games come close to FFVII. Parasite Eve is a good choice, though.
I think it would be best sticking to games that focus on storyline. It's impossible to fit in a platform game oozing with nostalgia to that of an RPG.
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And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game.
Exactly. So, why even argue about it?
Part of his reasoning is that FF7's influence over the gaming industry makes it the best game ever. Which to me is horseshit.
Key word: Part.
That makes complete sense to me though. It's the same reason why Half Life, MGS and Resident Evil are held in such high regard.
I think we need to define whether we're talking about the best game ever, or your favourite game ever. Which one we having? If it's the later, then it's case closed. Opinions and all. But i'll debate on 'best game ever' if you're up for it.
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And for the record, this is just personal enjoyment of each game.
Exactly. So, why even argue about it?
Part of his reasoning is that FF7's influence over the gaming industry makes it the best game ever. Which to me is horseshit.
Key word: Part.
That makes complete sense to me though. It's the same reason why Half Life, MGS and Resident Evil are held in such high regard.
I think we need to define whether we're talking about the best game ever, or your favourite game ever. Which one we having?
Both. I play games that give me the most enjoyment, and those are ten games that have given me an incredible amount of joy over the years. Saying a game is better because of some arbitrary factors makes no sense to me. If its critically acclaimed, fine. That doesn't mean I have to enjoy playing it.
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
:lol
It's not even the best game in its own series. It is a good game though, and one of the better FFs. And one of the more "revolutionary" games around, but that has nothing to do with quality.
I could write an essay on why FFVII is the best game ever made.
And it suprisingly has very little to do with extreme nostalgia.
Unlikely. But I'd be interested in reading that essay. :biggrin:
I can definitely see why you consider it the best game ever, but at least be straight and admit that nostalgia is a factor (and probably a major one). I think a lot of the SNES games I grew up playing are among the greatest video games ever conceived, but I fully admit that my fond memories of playing them with friends as a kid probably have quite a bit to do with it.
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
:lol
It's not even the best game in its own series. It is a good game though, and one of the better FFs. And one of the more "revolutionary" games around, but that has nothing to do with quality.
That pretty much sums it up.
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FFVII is the best game ever made.
If you disagree, you are wrong.
:lol
It's not even the best game in its own series. It is a good game though, and one of the better FFs. And one of the more "revolutionary" games around, but that has nothing to do with quality.
That pretty much sums it up.
Although I don't like to use this as an excuse: most fans will argue FFVII is the best in the series. I'm sure you can all agree it's the most popular.
And rightfully so, IMO. I've finished every FF bar X-2, and while I love FFVIII, IX and X, there is just no way that either of these games hold up to the sheer epicness of FFVII. I will accept that VI is up there with the very best, maybe even THE best in the series. But personally, I think VII's storyline development kills it.
A lot of people seem to be mentioning IX. While I really like the game, it does go downhill at the third disc when you realise half of the world map accounts for nothing, and the Kuja storyline just gets very boring. Which is a shame because the first and second disc were absolutely brilliant.
FFVII, simply put, paved the way for every RPG that followed. Most important storyline-progressive video game ever made.
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I liked 7 when I first played it, and still love it, but if I were to play it today I'd be much less impressed with the storyline. Mainly because of the characters. There's a talking dog, an stereotypical 70s black-guy who curses too much, another tough-guy who curses too much, a chick with boobs that are distastefully big, a ninja, and a vampire. On top of that, the dialog definitely reeks of, "we're gonna make a game designed for an older audience now so let's put lots of cursing in it," and main storyline kinda suffers, in retrospect, from the whole "'god-like' being crashes into earth and some evil quasi-religious dude tries to resurrect it to destroy human civilization" trope that SS rehashed plenty of times from CT all the way 'til FFX. Of course, it WAS impressive when I played it when I was twelve years old. In retrospect, it probably IS my favorite PS1 RPG, though during that time of my life I would have given that title to Xenogears. While Xenogears is without a doubt the better story and the better character development, it simply isn't anywhere as near fun to play.
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If anything, I'd say Chrono Cross pulls off plenty of things better than FFVII did. A much more indepth combat/magic system. It pulls off the "darker and edgier" vibe without having to resort to fucks and shits (that I remember, anyway). It manages to pull off a highly convoluted "time travel / alternate dimension" story while having very little, if any, internal contradictions, which I'd say is a feat in of itself. For the most part (I'll get into the rest soon) I'd say it even tells its story better although FFVII certainly had its moments, such as Nibelheim and the Zack flashabck. It does the ambiguous ending while at the same time bringing the game to a satisfying end. And the soundtrack is, no questions about it, far better.
Its biggest problem is that it almost requires a second playthrough to understand what's going on in the last half or so. The game has a few huge info dumps at certain points in the game, and they drop almost too many plot points at once to really be able to register what's going on. Pacing with its plot exposition is definitely a huge problem with the game, which FFVII doesn't really have any problem with at all.
Which isn't to say FFVII's a bad game, but I have a hard time agreeing something's "the best game evar" when I can immediately think of plenty of games that have done a good number of things better. edit: Especially if we count western RPGs like Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and possible Mass Effect (I'm only about 15 hours into the game but I already get the feeling it's going to be one of my favorites).
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My experience with Chrono Cross wasn't great. I love Chrono Trigger (that's a top 10 game for me), but wasn't really prepared for CC. The info-dumping and cluster-fuck of characters was a big turn off for me. Aside from the awesome music, I really remember NOTHING about that game. Not even what a dungeon looked like or what the names of the characters were. I did beat it, but it froze during the ending CGI. So yeah, my experience with it was an all-around sour one.
But I will say I agree with you about the newer games. The last 5 years or so of western RPGs have blown most of my old favorite JRPGs out of the water. Aside from Persona 3 and 4, there hasn't been a JRPG that's even remotely held my attention since FFX. Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and FFXIII stick out in my memory as being particularly bad.
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Xenogears is still one of my favorite games ever. Its mostly a novel in the form of a game, but there's something so entrancing about it that I adore <3
Most of the games I play are just rpgs and platformers though.
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Xenogears had a life-changing effect on me, to be honest. My playing the ethos section of the game pretty much coincided with the part where Billy finds out their secrets. Very weird couple of weeks for me.
I've played the game like 8 times. I love it. It has its flaws, but the story and characters are so fantastic.
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Xenogears had a life-changing effect on me, to be honest. My playing the ethos section of the game pretty much coincided with the part where Billy finds out their secrets. Very weird couple of weeks for me.
I've played the game like 8 times. I love it. It has its flaws, but the story and characters are so fantastic.
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss
I think the flaws are appropriate though. I mean, after all the symbolism with religion and psychology and philosophy, the main point of the game boils down to what it means to be human.
And I thought the the second disc was great simply because of how much Fei evolved during disc 2. I don't want to spoil, but everything with his childhood traumas leading up to the end of the game is EPIC <3
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I just realize my post made no sense at all.
I was playing the ethos section of the game *right* when the catholic church scandal started breaking out big time. That combined with the controversial nature of the game really threw me off balance, hehe.
But by "flaws" I don't mean in the plot, though the name-dropping does get a little obnoxious. I was just talking more about the actual gameplay. The random encounters happen way too sporatically, the dungeons are a little on the bland-side, the gear fighting is annoying and takes away from the awesome stuff you learn to do with the characters. Oh, and the jumping makes for some epically fake difficulty at certain sections of the game.
Also, there's a few times in the game where you can seriously screw up all your progress. I think any-time where you fight Elly's solarian friends is like a trap for n00bs that might force people who don't know better to restart. Especially since upgrading your gear is never really explained or emphasized before certain parts of the game.
Also, the sheer amount of dialog before some boss fights made for some VERY frustrating sections.
All in all, as good as Xenogears is from a plot perspective, the gameplay itself is full of traps. It's no wonder-- I used to have two copies of the game, one which was mine and one which I lent out. No-one I ever let borrow it was able to finish it. Everyone would get stuck at the part where the Solarians come after Weltall at Kishev or, at the very latest, Shevat when you defend it from Solaris.
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On a related note, I really enjoyed Xenosaga 1 and 3. It's a shame 2 had to be there.
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I didn't mind the platforming at all. It came fairly naturally to me except for not being able to jump during a random battle but w/e
And I thought the gears were really cool! But that's just me I suppose.
I found the dialog in the game interesting, but I understand the complaint of it being a lot. When I play this game I tend to take it more or less as a novel into a game rather than a typical RPG.
Upgrading wasn't really an issue for me, I'm a completist by nature and always try to find everything I possibly can so it wasn't long until I realized you had to upgrade. I'm the type that talks to every person in every town :p
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I've not actually finished Xenogears as it was never released over here in the UK.
I managed to borrow it for a few days and thought it was excellent. I'll accept that games like Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, FFVI, are worthy in comparison to FFVII.
I think VII gets the credit it deserves from being the first game to actually appear on CD, and set such a benchmark for the RPG genre. It was the first game to utilize the FMV and span across 3 discs. For a console game, this was just unheard of at the time. Not to mention the advanced plot, twists and turns, the soundtrack etc.
My Top 10 games would be something along the lines of:
1. FFVII
2. Shenmue I and II (i'm not splitting up these 2 masterpieces)
3. Metal Gear Solid (another legendary game that broke the barrier)
4. Silent Hill 2 (best ever horror game, bar none. Best storyline and a work of art)
5. Half Life 2 (definitely the best FPS i've ever played. Totally re-defined the genre)
6. Suikoden 1 (masterpiece 2D RPG from Konami)
7. FFVI (best bunch of RPG characters ever, stunning soundtrack)
8. Super Mario Bros 3 (best platform game i've ever played)
9. Suikoden 2 (solid addition to an already immense RPG series)
10. Skies Of Arcadia (steals a lot of elements from past epic-RPG's. But a wonderful experience all-round)
Other games like Chrono Trigger, Broken Sword, Vagrant Story, MGS3, Parasite Eve, Fallout 3, would be up there.
I'm forgetting Uncharted 2 as well. Which is the best game i've played this gen. Absolutely stunning.
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Although I don't like to use this as an excuse: most fans will argue FFVII is the best in the series. I'm sure you can all agree it's the most popular.
From all I've ever seen most fans will argue something other than VII is best in the series. VII will just have the most fans arguing for it in particular as the best. There's a big difference.
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
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During my high-school days, my list would have looked like this:
1.) Xenogears
2.) Chrono Trigger
3.) Final Fantasy 7
4.) Metal Gear Solid 3
5.) Xenosaga Series
6.) Metal Gear Solid
7.) Megaman Legends Series
8.) Star Ocean 2
9.) Star Ocean 3
10.) Final Fantasy X
Now, my list would probably look more like this
1.) Persona 3
2.) Fallout 3
3.) Xenogears
4.) Chrono Trigger
5.) Final Fantasy 7
6.) Mass Effect Series
7.) Red Dead Redemption
8.) Metal Gear Solid 3
9.) Metal Gear Solid
10.) Megaman Legends Series
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How can you have P3 on your list and not P4? Did the more interesting story, better music, improved gameplay, and cooler villains piss you off too much? :lol
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How can you have P3 on your list and not P4? Did the more interesting story, better music, improved gameplay, and cooler villains piss you off too much? :lol
Actually, that's a mistake. But P3 had the more interesting story and better music.
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Besides Battle Hymn of the Soul I cannot accept any argument that any song in P3 is better than its P4 equivalent. And even then, P4 has like 3 separate final boss themes, and one of them (Fog) is way better than BHotS.
I won't get into the story argument, but my stance on it is that P4 had a couple of powerful emotional impacts on me (especially near the end of the game...like when a certain person is kidnapped...the music from that stage still brings tears to my eyes), whereas P3 didn't. I could tell there were a few times when I was supposed to be emotionally affected by something, but it didn't really do it for me.
Except for when Shinji dies. Half the reason I was looking forward to P3P so much was because I knew there was a way you could save him in that one.
Speaking of which I still haven't beaten Nyx in P3P...
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1. VIII (best game evarrrrrr)
2. VI
3. III
4. V
5. IV
6. VII
7. X
8. I
9. IX
10. II
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
I think there is distinction between the two.
But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
I think there is distinction between the two.
But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
If you don't play games to have fun, why do you play video games? And well, the only valid way to compare them is to compare how much fun you had with them. Afterall, compare a 10/10 platformer and a shitty rpg. I'm sure you can make the distinction that one would be more fun than the other. The same thing can be done with a 10/10 platformer and a 9/10 rpg. I had more fun with the platformer, thus it is the better game.
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But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Absolutely this. I could never make a top 10 games list because I'd inevitably exclude way too many games that I enjoyed just as much as others, albeit possibly for different reasons.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
That does sound a bit weird. Why else would you play games?
I'm definitely not a "gamer" anymore; I rarely have time for video games and I have to very carefully choose the ones I want to spend precious time playing. Other than multiplayer stuff on Xbox live or on the Wii, I play maybe one in-depth single player game a year. I rely quite a bit on my little brother's tastes (which aren't necessarily a whole lot like mine, but tend to be pretty good) when selecting a game I'm going to invest my time into. I can't imagine putting 30-40+ hours into a game that I wasn't really enjoying, even 15 years ago when I had all the time in the world...what would be the benefit of that?
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
I think there is distinction between the two.
But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
If you don't play games to have fun, why do you play video games?
I guess it's the same with movies. I like a deep storyline, I like games that are artistic and often serious. But of course, I enjoy fun games as much as anyone else. A combination of the 2 is what defines a great playing experience.
Take Silent Hill 2 for example. It's not a very fun game. But the overall experience is what defines it. The atmosphere and addictive feeling of fear. I love games like that.
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
I think there is distinction between the two.
But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
If you don't play games to have fun, why do you play video games?
I guess it's the same with movies. I like a deep storyline, I like games that are artistic and often serious. But of course, I enjoy fun games as much as anyone else. A combination of the 2 is what defines a great playing experience.
Take Silent Hill 2 for example. It's not a very fun game. But the overall experience is what defines it. The atmosphere and addictive feeling of fear. I love games like that.
SH2 is a fun game. I enjoy playing it. The atmosphere does add to it, and that's part of what makes it fun.
And for what its worth, in my opinion, 1 out of every 1 trillion games has a deep storyline. Hell, I love the story in Xenogears but I would never call it deep or anything. Most things that people think are deep, typically aren't. Same with movies. I don't really think I can think of a movie I'd call "deep" but I've seen many that are very enjoyable nonetheless.
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Still strongly disagree on FF7 being the best, but w/e
Point is, my list is made up of games that have given me the most joy, and I enjoyed them far more than I did FF7. To me, there is no distinction between favorite and best. Trying to make an "objectively" best game is just silly.
I think there is distinction between the two.
But it's hard to put games into lists anyway, as there are many different genres. How can we compare SMB3 (my favourite platformer) to FF7? Or Sonic 3 (your favourite) to MGS? It's just impossible.
Although this might sound a bit wierd, being a gamer and all; I don't necessarily play games for fun.
If you don't play games to have fun, why do you play video games?
I guess it's the same with movies. I like a deep storyline, I like games that are artistic and often serious. But of course, I enjoy fun games as much as anyone else. A combination of the 2 is what defines a great playing experience.
Take Silent Hill 2 for example. It's not a very fun game. But the overall experience is what defines it. The atmosphere and addictive feeling of fear. I love games like that.
SH2 is a fun game. I enjoy playing it. The atmosphere does add to it, and that's part of what makes it fun.
And for what its worth, in my opinion, 1 out of every 1 trillion games has a deep storyline. Hell, I love the story in Xenogears but I would never call it deep or anything. Most things that people think are deep, typically aren't. Same with movies. I don't really think I can think of a movie I'd call "deep" but I've seen many that are very enjoyable nonetheless.
Deep was probably the wrong word to use. I think you know what I was getting at.
I mean something that has a good context, and good development. Something original and engaging.
Silent Hill 2 is actually pretty deep though. There is much more to that game than meets the eye. Almost everything that you encounter is the manifestation from the warped mind of James Sunderland. It's a very intelligent game when you try and break it down. But i'd hardly call it fun. There is nothing fun about running from Pyramid Head, even the combat isn't fun. It's a psychological horror game, where the main character isn't supposed to be some hotshot with a gun. It's suprisingly one of only a few games where the combat system isn't designed to work in your favour.
That's one of the reasons why I love SH. It's just a shame the series has been whored out and passed on to a group of guys who have no business tarnishing the SH name.
But enough of that. Addictive, yes. But not so much fun. Not for me anyway. I can see we're not going to agree on this particular subject so let's just agree to disagree.I think it's an experience more than anything else. A deeply disturbing one.
My idea of fun would be a game like Uncharted 2. Now if you haven't played that game, take my word for it - it's a fucking blast. :metal
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The Silent Hill series is one of the few examples of a heavy "mind screw" / "most things are open to interpretation" plot that I've actually enjoyed. The games don't try to hide their plots or "message" behind a convoluted mess of symbolism and try to pass it off as deep, but there's a lot of hidden subtext if you look for it.
As for the fun/plot/whatever discussion, I pretty much play games for general enjoyment be it from the story or the gameplay. Take Planescape: Torment, the only reason I play that is because of it story and setting. The combat is downright atrocious, but the game allows you to almost completely avoid fighting so I overlook it (there might be 3 or so forced fights in the entire game) because it doesn't get in the way of what I enjoy. Then you've got IX which is supposed to have another great story but the part that I find most aggravating is a big part of the combat system that can't be ignored; it ended up getting in the way of the part I did enjoy so I quit.
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Except for when Shinji dies. Half the reason I was looking forward to P3P so much was because I knew there was a way you could save him in that one.
Dude, I'm sorry. This may sound dumb, but I still get a little choked up when I think about the OTHER death in the game. That was by far the most emotional experience I ever had with a video-game.
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Which OTHER death? Chidori? Mitsuru's Dad? You?
I'd guess the last one.
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Which OTHER death? Chidori? Mitsuru's Dad? You?
I'd guess the last one.
Definitely.
Being able to make you feel so much about a silent protagonist is quite an accomplishment.
I don't know, just that scene, with the music, as the ending of the game... is amazing. Part of the reason I don't like P4's story as much is because while it's cool, thematically it's not as "epic" as a being from another world coming into our lives, forming a bunch of deep relationships and friendships with people, and then getting sick and leaving unexpectedly.
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What's not epic about a god running an experiment on humanity using a rural village as a sample group to determine which aspect of humanity (hope, despair, emptiness) was strongest, and decided humanity's fate based on the results? Or, wait, were you the guy who stopped playing after Ameno-Sagiri?
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What's not epic about a god running an experiment on humanity using a rural village as a sample group to determine which aspect of humanity (hope, despair, emptiness) was strongest, and decided humanity's fate based on the results? Or, wait, were you the guy who stopped playing after Ameno-Sagiri?
Did not read. I haven't the the ultimate ending yet. But I doubt it'll have a bigger impact on me than P3s. Loved it.
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Well try getting the real ending so you understand what's actually going on :lol
Not getting that ending is like stopping playing P3 after beating Hanged Man because you don't care about the ending.
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Eh, playing P3P now. haha.
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This is sad and hilarious at the same time (a video showing one of the, apparently, many problems with FFXIV's UI):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EaGvRv6jqw&feature=player_embedded
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4.0
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4.0
wat
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Ugh, I'm 70% done with XII, and can't get myself to go back and finish it, I just totally lost interest for no reason. :facepalm:
Side note- I plan on playing XIII, how awesome is it? :tup
The most exciting news I've heard lately: SEQUEL FOR DISSIDIA!!!!!!!! :metal
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XIII is good, nothing great. Then again, I think XII is great and X is pretty weak for Final Fantasy.
XIII is most reminiscent of X, lousy world layout with a experience system that looks really free at first but might as well be automated. The automated fighting system is bad compared to XII, you get very limited control of your partners and can't control any of them by hand if you wanted to. It worked ok, but it really made you wish gambits were back by the end of the game.
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XIII is good, nothing great. Then again, I think XII is great and X is pretty weak for Final Fantasy.
XIII is most reminiscent of X, lousy world layout with a experience system that looks really free at first but might as well be automated. The automated fighting system is bad compared to XII, you get very limited control of your partners and can't control any of them by hand if you wanted to. It worked ok, but it really made you wish gambits were back by the end of the game.
I know it seems weird, but I haven't really been using Gambits anyway, lol. :lol
I've only played X, X-2, XII and a few spin-offs. (Oh, and Dissidia for the PSP), so I think I'll give it a shot. I'm hoping they're remaking all the originals since I really want to play them. I know VII is a highlight for Final Fantasy, but since it's only for the PS1, I'm hoping they re-make it.
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No, not using gambits is fine if you don't like the automation. Not using them is far better than using them and then complaining everything is automated. :lol
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The most exciting news I've heard lately: SEQUEL FOR DISSIDIA!!!!!!!! :metal
YEEEUUUHHH :metal
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The most exciting news I've heard lately: SEQUEL FOR DISSIDIA!!!!!!!! :metal
YEEEUUUHHH :metal
LIFE HAS NEVER HAD SO MUCH MOMENTUM FOR ME BEFORE
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The most exciting news I've heard lately: SEQUEL FOR DISSIDIA!!!!!!!! :metal
YEEEUUUHHH :metal
LIFE HAS NEVER HAD SO MUCH MOMENTUM FOR ME BEFORE
I take it you love Dissidia too then. Personally I think it's definitely one of the more addicting games that I have.
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XIII is good, nothing great. Then again, I think XII is great and X is pretty weak for Final Fantasy.
XIII is most reminiscent of X, lousy world layout with a experience system that looks really free at first but might as well be automated. The automated fighting system is bad compared to XII, you get very limited control of your partners and can't control any of them by hand if you wanted to. It worked ok, but it really made you wish gambits were back by the end of the game.
Accurate on all counts.
-J
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XIII is good, nothing great. Then again, I think XII is great and X is pretty weak for Final Fantasy.
XIII is most reminiscent of X, lousy world layout with a experience system that looks really free at first but might as well be automated. The automated fighting system is bad compared to XII, you get very limited control of your partners and can't control any of them by hand if you wanted to. It worked ok, but it really made you wish gambits were back by the end of the game.
Accurate on all counts.
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Is it worth giving it a shot anyway?
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Yeah, I'd definitely give it a chance. I'm not likely to play it again, but I enjoyed it well enough.
Just don't go into it expecting to have your mind blown. :tup
-J
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
So you hate good RPG's? Good to know.
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
Do you also hate VI? If so, I vote to permaban you.
-J
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
So you hate good RPG's? Good to know.
What does hating 9 have to do with hating good RPGs?
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
So you hate good RPG's? Good to know.
What does hating 9 have to do with hating good RPGs?
You'll understand one day. Not today, though. But someday.
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Years from now when Elder Scrolls 7, Diablo 5, and Half-Life 2: Episode 3 are out I'm going to go "you know what, why don't I plug in my PS2 and give Final Fantasy 9 another try? Yeah, that sounds good."
:lol
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
Do you also hate VI? If so, I vote to permaban you.
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VI is my all time favorite FF as i voted for it in this thread :tup
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Years from now when Elder Scrolls 7, Diablo 5, and Half-Life 2: Episode 3 are out I'm going to go "you know what, why don't I plug in my PS2 and give Final Fantasy 9 another try? Yeah, that sounds good."
:lol
>rpg
But seriously 9 is like the best thing to ever have come from Square.
Other than Chrono Trigger, of course.
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I still hold that FF IX is the greatest game ever made.
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I still hold that FF IX is the greatest game ever made.
No, VIII.
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VIII is a very good game as well.
I remember a few years ago I pulled up an old save file and I had somehow as a kid gotten to the fourth disc and only at Lv. 27.
I was amazing.
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Play FF9 instead :neverusethis:
Also a valid suggestion.
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When is it not?
All the time. Because I hated 9. That's right, I said it ;)
Do you also hate VI? If so, I vote to permaban you.
-J
VI is my all time favorite FF as i voted for it in this thread :tup
:metal
I rescind my vote to permaban you, and replace it with a vote to build a statue in your honor.
-J
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VIII is a very good game as well.
I remember a few years ago I pulled up an old save file and I had somehow as a kid gotten to the fourth disc and only at Lv. 27.
I was amazing.
That's not too hard to do, just go through the whole game spamming GFs and you'll get to the end of the game at some ridiculously low level. Happened to me my first time through and I had to go grind once I made it to the last area. :P
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VIII is a very good game as well.
I remember a few years ago I pulled up an old save file and I had somehow as a kid gotten to the fourth disc and only at Lv. 27.
I was amazing.
Bosses scale in FFVIII, so definitely doable. Tough, but not as tough as games with non-scaling bosses.
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I was 8 if that counts
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Hey, I'm not trying to knock your achievement, man.
Edit: HAHAHA FREYA IS DOING A STUPID DANCE
Why would they put this stupid dance in the middle of an otherwise amazing game. Stupid rat-dance.
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VIII is a very good game as well.
I remember a few years ago I pulled up an old save file and I had somehow as a kid gotten to the fourth disc and only at Lv. 27.
I was amazing.
That's not too hard to do, just go through the whole game spamming GFs and you'll get to the end of the game at some ridiculously low level.
Driving everywhere also assists in this.
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VIII is a very good game as well.
I remember a few years ago I pulled up an old save file and I had somehow as a kid gotten to the fourth disc and only at Lv. 27.
I was amazing.
Bosses scale in FFVIII, so definitely doable. Tough, but not as tough as games with non-scaling bosses.
Yeah, VIII is supposedly easier to beat when you put less levels on. Battles are for running away and farming. :lol Experience and levels just don't do anything particularly beneficial for you. Junctions are where you get your advantage. Odd system, but in some sense you could just not fight if it bored you, so I suppose that's ok.
By half way I rarely finished battles outside of the forced ones and new enemies, that no encounters ability was very handy(was it 0 encounters or just very few?). All fighting gets you is less health and an increase in the chance you have to farm some type of magic again. I wish the magic and junctions had been easier to manage, outside of the incredibly dull process of farming magic it was an entertaining system to try and use. It was just a poor interface, lots of annoyances with trading and equipping magic.
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The world that FF8 is set in is absolutely amazing and the I actually like the junction system. Its not perfect but I like it.
Its just the story is really lame. I mean, the world itself is awesome, I love the atmosphere of the game. But the story and characters are just :| It could have rivaled FF9 if the characters were actually interesting.
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:D
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Just playing through FFVIII again. This game is way better than VII. Can't believe how cool Triple Triad is. Got some awesome cards and only about 9 hours in :neverusethis:
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That's about the only thing VIII has on IX. Fuck Tetra Master.
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Agreed.
The only reason I ever played Tetra master (other than when I was forced to) was to take cards off the poor people in Treno.
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This game is way better than VII.
Blasphemy.
Nothing is better than VII.
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This game is way better than VII.
Blasphemy.
Nothing is better than VII.
VI.
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VI and IX.
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X is best since apparently I was in it. :neverusethis:
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My brother has been playing FFVII recently, and is it just me or is the dialog in this game pretty much atrocious?
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VI and IX.
In that order.
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My brother has been playing FFVII recently, and is it just me or is the dialog in this game pretty much atrocious?
If by "atrocious", you mean "awesome" and "best of the series", then yeah, I agree.
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My replay of 7 is currently stalled at Wall Market. I don't know why. This used to be my favorite part, and now I could care less.
Oddly, I always replay 7 and the FURTHEST I ever get is like... after Cloud leaves the party. I really need to buckle down and just beat the game already. Though I already have a file where all my characters are level 99 and all and the weapons are dead so yeah...
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My replay of 7 is currently stalled at Wall Market. I don't know why. This used to be my favorite part, and now I could care less.
Oddly, I always replay 7 and the FURTHEST I ever get is like... after Cloud leaves the party. I really need to buckle down and just beat the game already. Though I already have a file where all my characters are level 99 and all and the weapons are dead so yeah...
No, you couldn't.
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What?
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You made the one grammatical error that bothers me so much that I can't help but correct people. It's really nothing personal. I'm sorry.
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Oh, well that's too bad. Everyone, watch out: Someone in this thread thinks they're a real cool guy.
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It wouldn't be a thread about RPGs if we didn't have one. Just fulfilling the duty. :tup
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Yeah, I always hated that kid at highschool anime club who'd stand in the door and act like he wasn't as bad as the other nerdy guys. >:(
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It just occurred to me that I'm not entirely sure who you're digging at. :lol
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You said you were fulfilling the duty of the guy who "thinks he's a really cool guy," so I'm just running with that ;)
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Right. I just saw anime and thought of Gyno. :lol
Carry on.
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I never went to anime club because
A) I didn't watch anime in high school
B) They spent all their time watching Naruto and other bullshit
Anyway there is no excuse for some random Shinra guy calling Reno "Sis" near the beginning of the game. What the fuck was that?
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Why the hell not?
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I never went to anime club because
A) I didn't watch anime in high school
B) They spent all their time watching Naruto and other bullshit
Anyway there is no excuse for some random Shinra guy calling Reno "Sis" near the beginning of the game. What the fuck was that?
Final Fantasy 7's dialog isn't that great, but here's the thing: it was the best Square had done yet. Maybe FF7's dialog is like 60 percent accurate. I'm not sure. That's still better than how it had been before. Most FF dialog isn't very good, but the translators of 7 seem to have made it their own, so I'd say they did a pretty good part, aside from the occasional NPCs saying incomprehensible things.
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VI had a fucking amazing translation. So did Chrono Trigger. What the hell are you talking about?
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VI had a fucking amazing translation. So did Chrono Trigger. What the hell are you talking about?
This is true.
I stand behind VII as the best though. The dialog in that game just...works. I don't know why.
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VI had a fucking amazing translation. So did Chrono Trigger. What the hell are you talking about?
Aside from 6 being given the wrong title, both of the original SNES translations of those games are PG'd versions of the originals. Which is pretty bizarre considering CT was already pretty darn PG.
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Son of a submariner!
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LOL I remember that.
Unfortunately, never been able to get into 6. I got up to the part where you're on the floating rock. For classic FF, I prefer 4.
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I can't bring myself to play VI any more either. I'm at the part where you get Gau, and I just have no desire to continue.
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Yeah, that game is weird for me. I spent a lot of time playing, but it always felt like the good stuff was about to happen and just hadn't yet. The thing I hated too is the people who swore by it were usually a couple years older than me. So I always had to deal with MY generations game (7) getting put down by the 6 people, who were also usually role models like older cousins and the like.
On the other hand, I love CT.
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I have the same problem with CT. Except, I'm being forced to play it this weekend. :p
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Oh? Are you doing the Livestream again? I didn't know you had that problem with the game. lol. That DOES explain your fail, though. haha.
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I don't have a problem with it. I just burned out on it when I did the livestream thing. Maybe I'll start liking it again during this.
Also, I don't know how you missed it. There's a big Caps Lock'd thread on GD about it, but anyway: Yes, I'm doing a 12 hour marathon stream this Saturday, from 3 PM-3 AM. I have a games schedule up in the first page of the thread.
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
LOL I remember that.
Unfortunately, never been able to get into 6. I got up to the part where you're on the floating rock. For classic FF, I prefer 4.
A lot of the best of FFVI happens in the World of Ruin, which is immediately after the Floating Continent.
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
LOL I remember that.
Unfortunately, never been able to get into 6. I got up to the part where you're on the floating rock. For classic FF, I prefer 4.
A lot of the best of FFVI happens in the World of Ruin, which is immediately after the Floating Continent.
This. I don't think I hated a villain more than kefka...hate in a good way. omg i want to play this game again now.
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All this talk about VI makes me wanna pop it in the snes again...
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I got to the bit in 6 after that castle sinks under the sand and reappears else where (not long after Terra becomes an esper or something) . I, apparently, had to have a particular character in my party to progress in the story but I didn't and I couldn't figure how to remedy this so I just started the game again. Just doing the third scenario after they all get split up on the raft at the moment.
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
I know I was in some floating city.
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
I know I was in some floating city.
That's the best part of the game :|
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It's not very easy playing these old games anymore. Especially considering the fact that we are spoilt for choice these days, with realistic graphics and gameplay.
The old FF's, and many other old gems feel dated. Great games they will always be, but dated nonetheless.
FFVII was the benchmark. Not only was it arguably the most revolutionary storyline-driven video game of all time (yes, the storyline is extremely technical for its kind, much more so than VI and CT) - it was one of the first games to effectively use FMV, which became huge.
Nostalgia always plays its part when people start debating. I find that VII was just more consistant, more engaging and a damn sight more interesting then the FF's that followed. And i'm a big fan of VIII and IX.
FFVII, for me, is probably the greatest game of all time.
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
I know I was in some floating city.
Right, I remember, you were completely lost in Zeal and I pretty much had to hold your hand through it :lol
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How far were you in CT anyways? Right about to go to Magus' Castle, or something?
LOL I remember that.
Unfortunately, never been able to get into 6. I got up to the part where you're on the floating rock. For classic FF, I prefer 4.
A lot of the best of FFVI happens in the World of Ruin, which is immediately after the Floating Continent.
This. I don't think I hated a villain more than kefka...hate in a good way. omg i want to play this game again now.
Terra is awesome, but Kefka was annoying the hell out of me in Dissidia.
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Kefka > any villain in any game.
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Kefka > any villain in any game.
Nah.
Sephiroth is better.
Far more interesting.
Kefka was just a madman.
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Wah wah I think some alien is my mommy, let's throw a big rock at the world
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C'mon. He was still like the first Freudian RPG villian.
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Sephiroth is better imo, but I need to sit down and play the game to really judge Kefka. He's just annoying in Dissidia. :\
But then you have villains likes Seymour...
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Sephiroth wasn't that great. He didn't really achieve much, to be honest.
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lol Sephiroth.
He was cool at first, like during Cloud's flashback in that one town near the beginning.
But totally lame after that. Showing up in random places as a ghost, just to say cryptic shit and not actually do anything? And that's all he did 'til the end of the game.
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lol Sephiroth.
He was cool at first, like during Cloud's flashback in that one town near the beginning.
But totally lame after that. Showing up in random places as a ghost, just to say cryptic shit and not actually do anything? And that's all he did 'til the end of the game.
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Nah he had a proper agenda at one point. He was trying to find himself.
I love how he completely lost his mind afterwards.
The way the game takes you back and then into the present was brilliant, IMO.
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It's a pretty common story telling device. It was used well (easily the most powerful section(s) of the game), but it's not like it's some innovative form of plot device that Square made up for FF7 :lol
As far as FF7 villains go, I found Rufus and Hojo to be far more interesting than Sephiroth. "I was a good guy but now I've decided I'm a God and I'm going to kill everyone for no particularly clear reason" just doesn't have much pull.
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It's a pretty common story telling device. It was used well (easily the most powerful section(s) of the game), but it's not like it's some innovative form of plot device that Square made up for FF7 :lol
As far as FF7 villains go, I found Rufus and Hojo to be far more interesting than Sephiroth. "I was a good guy but now I've decided I'm a God and I'm going to kill everyone for no particularly clear reason" just doesn't have much pull.
Because he had mommy issues.
Or maybe it's Genesis' fault, but at that point we're looking at prequels that were made 10 years after the original to try to explain the plot, and that's SILLY
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After Advent Children I stopped being interested in the FF7 side stories.
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It's a pretty common story telling device. It was used well (easily the most powerful section(s) of the game), but it's not like it's some innovative form of plot device that Square made up for FF7 :lol
Complete nonsense.
Since when does anyone 'make up' anything? It's a video game. Influences are everywhere.
I would love to hear your opinion on why it isn't innovative - especially for a video game - and especially at that particular time.
It was brilliantly executed beacuse it created that sense of mystery about the character. It wasn't until later from Cloud's past that we learnt more about Sephiroth, and even then, lots was left out. The overall flow of the games main-storyline is near-perfection as far as i'm concerned. Complicated and quite technical, but definitely way ahead of its time. No game even came close to this level of storytelling on a games console before. That's why it's highly regarded as one of the most influential video games of all time.
You might think it's an overrated game, which is totally fine. But a lot of people who played this game back in 1997 (myself included) remember just how good it was for its time.
Sephiroth was far more interesting than any villian in FF. The evidence speaks for itself. There was lots more development compared to a guy like Kefka - who was simply a complete lunatic. Seph might have completely lost his mind by the end of Disc 1, but he certainly had an agenda before that.
As far as FF7 villains go, I found Rufus and Hojo to be far more interesting than Sephiroth. "I was a good guy but now I've decided I'm a God and I'm going to kill everyone for no particularly clear reason" just doesn't have much pull.
Again, you are missing the events that led Sephiroth to that path. He was a good guy to begin with.
Rufus and Hojo were interesting, I agree. But they had no arc. They both came into the game as evil characters - and left the game as such.
And fuck FFVII Crisis Core and Advent Children. They are an insult to the mystery surrounding the FF7 universe, and were purely cash-ins on Square's behalf.
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fanboi is mad
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You know, I'd heard that the ideas for Final Fantasy 7, Xenogears, and Chrono Cross all came out of the same talks for a sequel to Chrono Trigger. If so, I would not be surprised. Each plot involves some alien being that's sucking the life the planet and needs to be stopped.
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It was brilliantly executed beacuse it created that sense of mystery about the character. It wasn't until later from Cloud's past that we learnt more about Sephiroth, and even then, lots was left out. The overall flow of the games main-storyline is near-perfection as far as i'm concerned. Complicated and quite technical, but definitely way ahead of its time. No game even came close to this level of storytelling on a games console before. That's why it's highly regarded as one of the most influential video games of all time.
You might think it's an overrated game, which is totally fine. But a lot of people who played this game back in 1997 (myself included) remember just how good it was for its time.
I played it back around the time it came out, and I remember being impressed by the graphics, music, and gameplay. The story was very good in parts too, but other than the flashback sequence, it sure as hell wasn't because of the antagonist.
Yeah, Sephiroth became quite a popular figure in video games, but it had nothing to do with the "complexity" of his character. :lol The notion that Sephiroth was a complex character is laughable unless FF7 is the only form of literature or media you've ever experienced.
Sephiroth was far more interesting than any villian in FF. The evidence speaks for itself. There was lots more development compared to a guy like Kefka - who was simply a complete lunatic. Seph might have completely lost his mind by the end of Disc 1, but he certainly had an agenda before that.
Again, the extent of Sephiroth's development took place in that one flashback. That is all. I have no idea what "lots" of development you're referring to. It really does amount to "mommy issues" and him deciding to destroy the world when he learns about his true origins. What else is there?
Kefka wasn't a perfect character either, nor particularly complex, but he was far more interesting, IMO. It's implied that he changed after being injected with Mag-...something (fuck, can't remember what it's called). He pretended to be somewhat loyal to the Empire until the time was right, and he betrayed the Emperor's trust, killed him, and revealed his true motives. By the end of the game, he had become a full-blown nihilist who destroyed people's lives indiscriminately (including practically every playable character in the game) without flinching, and *succeeded* in bringing about the world of despair and hopelessness he desired. He was opportunistic, power-hungry, ruthless, unpredictable, and flat-out insane. The "Joker-esque" flippancy with which he does evil stuff makes him somewhat unique at first, and then it just adds to his malevolence.
At the very least, Final Fantasy VI, IX, and X (not Seymour) had better villains than VII. And for the record, I don't think Sephiroth "sucked" as a bad guy. He was just nothing special.
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Actually I already talked about his almost non existent "agenda." There are just about no events "leading up" to him turning, first he was an outstanding guy then he read a bunch of books and suddenly went batshit insane and murdered an entire town because he wanted to see his mom. Then he decided he was God. That's not what I'd call a good "arc," and I'll take a character that's a bad guy throughout but at least has some explanation for why they're doing what they're doing, even if it's straight out greed or a desire to surpass your dad, over a good guy that goes crazy for absolutely no reason.
As for FF7's storyline being complicated..... :lol
You know, I'd heard that the ideas for Final Fantasy 7, Xenogears, and Chrono Cross all came out of the same talks for a sequel to Chrono Trigger. If so, I would not be surprised. Each plot involves some alien being that's sucking the life the planet and needs to be stopped.
That'd actually make sense. If only FF7 had been as good as those two :P
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My reason for liking him is his incredible theme. :heart
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The notion that Sephiroth was a complex character is laughable unless FF7 is the only form of literature or media you've ever experienced.
The only thing laughable here is that you consider VI, IX and X's villians better than VII - which was the benchmark of the series and had a handful of great villians.
VI has Kefka. That's about it. No one else was given any real time to develop.
IX had Kuja - Another silver-hairded cliche, inspired from Kefka the clown.
X had Seymour. No wait, you said forget him. Err....Jecht? :lol
Come on dude, let's be realistic here. Sephiroth was far better than all of those guys.
You are forgetting the simple fact that none of these guys had a backstory, or any kind of arc. Kuja has some redemption at the end, but he's otherwise a weak character in a very flawed game. Disc 3 and 4 of FFIX was nothing compared to the first 2 discs. Highly inconsistant.
VI is arguably the best of the series, so I won't argue there. I actually think there's a lot more to these games than who the bad guy is. But i've beaten all the FF's, and 7 was the most consistant. No question.
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As for FF7's storyline being complicated..... :lol
See, this just makes you look silly.
Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
VII was different in its approach. But there's a lot of crazy dialogue going on and the timeline within the game gets confusing.
It's not a simple game....at all. Surely you see that?
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VI has Kefka. That's about it. No one else was given any real time to develop.
Agreed. The protagonist characters had good development, but other than the Emperor (who didn't really have any character development to speak of), Kefka was it. Although I always liked Ultros. :biggrin:
IX had Kuja - Another silver-hairded cliche, inspired from Kefka the clown.
His look seems like it was inspired by Kefka, but nothing more.
X had Seymour. No wait, you said forget him. Err....Jecht? :lol
Actually yeah. X's story was the only thing that kept me playing, 'cause I found the gameplay itself to be pretty weak. And the way those final battles play out, culminating when you fight Jecht and then what's-his-name who was behind it all, I thought was cool. Jecht made a good ambiguous "bad guy" because of his development that's revealed throughout the game.
You are forgetting the simple fact that none of these guys had a backstory, or any kind of arc. Kuja has some redemption at the end, but he's otherwise a weak character in a very flawed game.
Kuja has no backstory?! Maybe it's been awhile since you've played IX. He's arguably the most fleshed-out antagonist in any FF game, and his development continues in real-time as the game progresses.
Come on dude, let's be realistic here. Sephiroth was far better than all of those guys.
VI is arguably the best of the series, so I won't argue there. I actually think there's a lot more to these games than who the bad guy is. But i've beaten all the FF's, and 7 was the most consistant. No question.
Fair enough, it's one of my top FF games too. And you're right there's a lot more to them than just the villain.
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As for FF7's storyline being complicated..... :lol
See, this just makes you look silly.
Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
VII was different in its approach. But there's a lot of crazy dialogue going on and the timeline within the game gets confusing.
It's not a simple game....at all. Surely you see that?
What is hard to understand about any of these games? I had no problem at all understanding them first time through.
7) Freedom Fighters vs evil corporation sucking up the life blood of the planet. The ancients were awesome, and there's one last remaining but she gets killed. Sephiroth was made using cells from Jenova, some crazy thing I can't remember, and he's decided he's going to continue mom's work. Turns out Cloud was so unsatisfied with his life that he unconsciously took up an old friends' identity and made up parts of his past. Weapons show up to defend the planet, humanity, including evil corporation, has to fight them off. Go off to kill Sephiroth. Meteor shows up, Lifestream/Planet/Aeris does stuff. Did humanity survive or die? We don't know, game ends on a shot of Rex XIII and his kids.
8) Lots of "military academy" stuff. Shared dreams about some other guys for some reason. Have to stop the evil sorceress. Turns out all of the main characters are from the same orphanage run by evil sorceress. Turns out evil sorceress isn't evil and is being controlled by the real evil sorceress, and she is also Cid's wife. Rinoa is a sorceress, other sorceresses are trying to snatch up her body. Find out what was up with the shared dream stuff. Shit with the moon I can't remember. Turns out the true big baddie is some sorceress from the future who we never heard of before, have to converge time or something I can't remember to get at her. Fight big baddie; not so subtle hints that she might be what Riona may have or will become. Trippy cut scene, turns out everyone's ok and at a ball. The end.
10) Tidus gets abducted by Sin. Decides to help Yuna on her pilgrimage. Finds out he's like 1000 years in the past and Sin is his dad. Eventually find out that defeating Sin involves the creation of a new Sin, Summoner and/or Guardian (can't remember the exacts) die and/or become sin. Church is corrupt. Turns out Tidus and his Zanarkand aren't real, and will (probably) go away after killing Sin. Tidus comes to terms with his dad, kills sin, and disappears until the sequel comes out.
Even when FF7 came out, when I was 7, I didn't have trouble following it, and this was one of my first RPGs. Now Crono Cross, that game's a clusterfuck when it comes to the pacing of the plot exposition and understanding what the hell some things are. :lol
edit: Don't get me wrong, FF7 has a good game and has some great things going for it. Its "complex storyline" or deep, fleshed out main antagonist aren't any of those things, however. :P
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^There is a lot more going on in all 3 games than you have explained there.
It would perhaps be better if they used this approach and didn't try to over-complicate the storylines. But in VIII and X especially - there is a lot of wierd/stupid things going on that make absolutely no sense at all.
The whole Yu-Yevon thing in X and the 'dream world' really doesn't add up at all. I think you can read the article on wikipedia to get a better view of how fucked up they wanted to make the storyline. Needless to say, it didn't make any sense as far as i'm concerned. I would have much preferred they took out the 'fayth' and 'Yu Yevon' and stuck to the basic principles. But this is FF we're talking about.
I now follow the Squall is Dead theory (https://www.squallsdead.com) regarding FFVIII. Because this game in particular makes absolutely zero sense when you put it all together. If it does even make 50% sense, then it's still by far the most complex and ridiculous FF game in the series. And while saying all this, I do actually love the game to bits.
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Even when FF7 came out, when I was 7, I didn't have trouble following it, and this was one of my first RPGs. Now Crono Cross, that game's a clusterfuck when it comes to the pacing of the plot exposition and understanding what the hell some things are. :lol
You might have been able to follow the main storyline, somewhat. But at age 7, or any age for that matter. I can 100% guarantee you had no idea what was going on in Disc 2; when you first meet Sephiroth's body on top of the crater. This event, and the dialogue within is the deepest part of the game, and to this day, I still can't make full-sense of what's going on.
It's the timeline that is most confusing. I really liked this approach to the game.
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Yeah, there's a lot of side plot stuff I skipped over because it's been awhile since I played them. The point I was making was that there really wasn't anything in any games that, once the game was done, I was still left wondering what was going on.
FF8's ending is weird, but I don't really think it's hard to "understand." It's just up for interpretation. You could just as easily say that all of the craziness in the ending cutscene are just side effects of time fixing itself and alternate pasts/presents/futures splitting or whatever, and that in the end they're all perfectly fine and there wouldn't be anything to contradict it.
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Even when FF7 came out, when I was 7, I didn't have trouble following it, and this was one of my first RPGs. Now Crono Cross, that game's a clusterfuck when it comes to the pacing of the plot exposition and understanding what the hell some things are. :lol
You might have been able to follow the main storyline, somewhat. But at age 7, or any age for that matter. I can 100% guarantee you had no idea what was going on in Disc 2; when you first meet Sephiroth's body on top of the crater. This event, and the dialogue within is the deepest part of the game, and to this day, I still can't make full-sense of what's going on.
It's the timeline that is most confusing. I really liked this approach to the game.
What, you mean when Cloud gives him the black materia? What's hard to understand about that section? Sephiroth is slowly merging with the lifestream/planet and then he makes Cloud give him the black materia because of their connection through Jenova's cells which Sephiroth apparently has control over (as seen with all of the other numbered experiments throughout the game). And I don't get what you mean about the timeline being confusing..... it's pretty obvious telling what happens when, isn't it?
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Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
VII was different in its approach. But there's a lot of crazy dialogue going on and the timeline within the game gets confusing.
It's not a simple game....at all. Surely you see that?
See, this just makes you look silly.
P.S. VII wasn't the most consistent. Unless you mean that the first disc is consistently a drag.
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8) Lots of "military academy" stuff. Shared dreams about some other guys for some reason. Have to stop the evil sorceress. Turns out all of the main characters are from the same orphanage run by evil sorceress. Turns out evil sorceress isn't evil and is being controlled by the real evil sorceress, and she is also Cid's wife. Rinoa is a sorceress, other sorceresses are trying to snatch up her body. Find out what was up with the shared dream stuff. Shit with the moon I can't remember. Turns out the true big baddie is some sorceress from the future who we never heard of before, have to converge time or something I can't remember to get at her. Fight big baddie; not so subtle hints that she might be what Riona may have or will become. Trippy cut scene, turns out everyone's ok and at a ball. The end.
10) Tidus gets abducted by Sin. Decides to help Yuna on her pilgrimage. Finds out he's like 1000 years in the past and Sin is his dad. Eventually find out that defeating Sin involves the creation of a new Sin, Summoner and/or Guardian (can't remember the exacts) die and/or become sin. Church is corrupt. Turns out Tidus and his Zanarkand aren't real, and will (probably) go away after killing Sin. Tidus comes to terms with his dad, kills sin, and disappears until the sequel comes out.
These are great. :lol
-J
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What, you mean when Cloud gives him the black materia? What's hard to understand about that section? Sephiroth is slowly merging with the lifestream/planet and then he makes Cloud give him the black materia because of their connection through Jenova's cells which Sephiroth apparently has control over (as seen with all of the other numbered experiments throughout the game).
You didn't get confused when you realised that Sephiroth's physical body was stationed in the Northern Cave for the entire game?
Everything that happened after the Nibelheim Incident was either a manifestation of Seph's body via Jenova, or a clone, or Seph projecting himself.
When I first saw Sephiroth up in that cave - I had no idea what was going on. If you understood all of that at age 7, then you were a smarter kid than I was.
The whole timeline process is what really made the game interesting. I've played FFVII recently and I still find it confusing. It's such a beautiful game, but hard to take in from one scoop.
If you fully understand the storyline, and everything in between, then fair play. You're a smart guy. I get confused reading the storyline analysis, becuase there's a lot of things open to interpretation.
Needless to say, I absolutely love the game.
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Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
VII was different in its approach. But there's a lot of crazy dialogue going on and the timeline within the game gets confusing.
It's not a simple game....at all. Surely you see that?
See, this just makes you look silly.
P.S. VII wasn't the most consistent. Unless you mean that the first disc is consistently a drag.
I'm not even gonna go there. :lol
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No, I wouldn't either. I'd rather just skip to the second and third discs.
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To be fair, most wikipedia plot synapses' and fan plot analysis' are needlessly confusing and typically have me lost even in games I had no trouble following. :lol
As for the deal with Sephiroth's body, I just initially assumed that he planted himself there at some point during the game and the thought that he might have been there throughout the whole game never crossed my mind. But, looking back on it, and considering what we know with all of the experiments and general JRPG plot conventions, it also wouldn't be unusual if the other times we saw him it was him "taking over" other clones or a physical manifestation of his ghost/spirit or whatever (which could very well be possible if he was in the process of merging with the lifestream. Aeiris was able to stop a meteor from blowing up the planet, talked to Cloud in his dreams, and showed up as a ghost in the Church taking care of her gardens back in Midgar. I'm sure Sephiroth could stab a fat guy in the chest and throw a few dragons at Cloud). Either way, I think it's more just a case of general Japanese weirdness and not an important plot point that has much significance on the story.
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8) Lots of "military academy" stuff. Shared dreams about some other guys for some reason. Have to stop the evil sorceress. Turns out all of the main characters are from the same orphanage run by evil sorceress. Turns out evil sorceress isn't evil and is being controlled by the real evil sorceress, and she is also Cid's wife. Rinoa is a sorceress, other sorceresses are trying to snatch up her body. Find out what was up with the shared dream stuff. Shit with the moon I can't remember. Turns out the true big baddie is some sorceress from the future who we never heard of before, have to converge time or something I can't remember to get at her. Fight big baddie; not so subtle hints that she might be what Riona may have or will become. Trippy cut scene, turns out everyone's ok and at a ball. The end.
10) Tidus gets abducted by Sin. Decides to help Yuna on her pilgrimage. Finds out he's like 1000 years in the past and Sin is his dad. Eventually find out that defeating Sin involves the creation of a new Sin, Summoner and/or Guardian (can't remember the exacts) die and/or become sin. Church is corrupt. Turns out Tidus and his Zanarkand aren't real, and will (probably) go away after killing Sin. Tidus comes to terms with his dad, kills sin, and disappears until the sequel comes out.
These are great. :lol
-J
Sorceress.
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To be fair, most wikipedia plot synapses' and fan plot analysis' are needlessly confusing and typically have me lost even in games I had no trouble following. :lol
As for the deal with Sephiroth's body, I just initially assumed that he planted himself there at some point during the game and the thought that he might have been there throughout the whole game never crossed my mind. But, looking back on it, and considering what we know with all of the experiments and general JRPG plot conventions, it also wouldn't be unusual if the other times we saw him it was him "taking over" other clones or a physical manifestation of his ghost/spirit or whatever (which could very well be possible if he was in the process of merging with the lifestream. Aeiris was able to stop a meteor from blowing up the planet, talked to Cloud in his dreams, and showed up as a ghost in the Church taking care of her gardens back in Midgar. I'm sure Sephiroth could stab a fat guy in the chest and throw a few dragons at Cloud). Either way, I think it's more just a case of general Japanese weirdness and not an important plot point that has much significance on the story.
Fair point.
I think I often try to over-analyse films and games. An annoying habit of mine.
I still think FF7 is pure brilliance from start to finish, though. :metal
No, I wouldn't either. I'd rather just skip to the second and third discs.
Nice. :lol
You don't like the backstory I take it?
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Haha, well, I don't know. I just never enjoy the first disc of that game for some reason and I've completed it three times.
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Haha, well, I don't know. I just never enjoy the first disc of that game for some reason and I've completed it three times.
It does start off a little slow.
Personally, I find Junon Harbor/Costa Del Sol one of the best parts of the game. But that's roughly the mid-stage of Disc 1.
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I voted FFIX - it was the first FF game I played and I think I'll always have a soft spot for it. I love the characters and their stories, and I thought the plot was pretty solid. After playing other games in the series I realised Kuja is a pretty weak villian, but I like the fact he finds remorse at the end. And the music is top notch to me. Tracks like You're Not Alone!, Dark Messenger and Terra are awesome and fun to play. And I think Zidane is just cool :D and Vivi, and Dagger. Ah, the memories...
*goes to play FFIX*
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Agree with everything apart from Kuja being a weak villain /FFIX fanboy
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FFIX is one of the few games I'd be tempted to buy a copy of just so I could snap the discs in half.
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FFIX is one of the few games I'd be tempted to buy a copy of just so I could snap the discs in half.
:tup
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Just dropping in to say how much I love FF VI. Kefka made me so angry because he was so evil. The way he killed all of Cyan's family. Aghh that story always made me so angry/ sad. Especially at the Ghost Train where Cyan has to say goodbye to his wife and kid. That always made me really sad. It still does thinking about it actually.
Anyways, this game is soooo good. It's so well done and there are so many fun side things that happen. Like the whole opera house stuff. I think the story and the way all the characters tie together are really really well done. This game isn't a nostalgia factor for me because I still take it as seriously as I did when I played it when I was younger. This game has withheld the test of time ridiculously well for me.
I also like VII but I have not finished it. So no real comment on it other than its pretty cool.
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Just dropping in to say how much I love FF VI. Kefka made me so angry because he was so evil. The way he killed all of Cyan's family. Aghh that story always made me so angry/ sad. Especially at the Ghost Train where Cyan has to say goodbye to his wife and kid. That always made me really sad. It still does thinking about it actually.
Anyways, this game is soooo good. It's so well done and there are so many fun side things that happen. Like the whole opera house stuff. I think the story and the way all the characters tie together are really really well done. This game isn't a nostalgia factor for me because I still take it as seriously as I did when I played it when I was younger. This game has withheld the test of time ridiculously well for me.
I also like VII but I have not finished it. So no real comment on it other than its pretty cool.
What really pissed me off was the scene with General Leo and where Kefka gets all the magicite. I was piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed!
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Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
I understood both of those easily. Although the orphanage plot twist has to be the worst plot twist of all time (despite the fact VIII is my favourite game of all time).
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X is not hard to understand at all.
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Most of the FF games are messy and hard to understand. Look at VIII and X. It's almost impossible to understand what the hell is going on in these games.
I understood both of those easily. Although the orphanage plot twist has to be the worst plot twist of all time (despite the fact VIII is my favourite game of all time).
There's no true understanding of the time compression storyline.....at all. It's been debated to death and when you put it all together - it makes no sense.
But people interpret things different, so perhaps it makes sense to you. To me, it doesn't. But suprisingly that doesn't take away the enjoyment of the game.
The Squall Is Dead theory works best when putting FFVIII into perspective. Using this theory, the orphanage storyling is actually quite interesting as is the rest of the game starting from Disc 2.
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Just dropping in to say how much I love FF VI. Kefka made me so angry because he was so evil. The way he killed all of Cyan's family. Aghh that story always made me so angry/ sad. Especially at the Ghost Train where Cyan has to say goodbye to his wife and kid. That always made me really sad. It still does thinking about it actually.
Anyways, this game is soooo good. It's so well done and there are so many fun side things that happen. Like the whole opera house stuff. I think the story and the way all the characters tie together are really really well done. This game isn't a nostalgia factor for me because I still take it as seriously as I did when I played it when I was younger. This game has withheld the test of time ridiculously well for me.
I also like VII but I have not finished it. So no real comment on it other than its pretty cool.
What really pissed me off was the scene with General Leo and where Kefka gets all the magicite. I was piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed!
Sweet. Thanks for the spoilers.
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There's no true understanding of the time compression storyline.....at all. It's been debated to death and when you put it all together - it makes no sense.
But people interpret things different, so perhaps it makes sense to you. To me, it doesn't. But suprisingly that doesn't take away the enjoyment of the game.
The Squall Is Dead theory works best when putting FFVIII into perspective. Using this theory, the orphanage storyling is actually quite interesting as is the rest of the game starting from Disc 2.
The reason the time compression thing can't be "understood" is because there was absolutely no explanation given to it. There's no way to look at any of the events going on and be able to go "well, we know X happened because of Y and thus Z scene explains A." You either take the ending at face value and everyone got through it alright, or you don't and can make up any number of theories that can't be disproved because the whole thing has next to no explanation.
You're right that the time compression thing doesn't make sense; unfortunately, it's not in the good way. :P For a game that does this sort of thing well (as in a game that gives players enough of information so they're not left wondering what something or someone is, but leaves enough unsaid that each person comes up with their own interpretation of a good number of things) I'd choose Earthbound.
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Just dropping in to say how much I love FF VI. Kefka made me so angry because he was so evil. The way he killed all of Cyan's family. Aghh that story always made me so angry/ sad. Especially at the Ghost Train where Cyan has to say goodbye to his wife and kid. That always made me really sad. It still does thinking about it actually.
Anyways, this game is soooo good. It's so well done and there are so many fun side things that happen. Like the whole opera house stuff. I think the story and the way all the characters tie together are really really well done. This game isn't a nostalgia factor for me because I still take it as seriously as I did when I played it when I was younger. This game has withheld the test of time ridiculously well for me.
I also like VII but I have not finished it. So no real comment on it other than its pretty cool.
What really pissed me off was the scene with General Leo and where Kefka gets all the magicite. I was piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed!
Sweet. Thanks for the spoilers.
Spoilers? The game is 15 years old and this is a thread about FF. You can't really have spoilers for this game anymore.
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Believe it or not, not everyone has played every Final Fantasy.
Particularly when they were too young to own a SNES.
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Well you knew from the first sentence of 7Stringed's post that he was going to be talking about FFVI. Should have skipped over it and any post quoting it. :P
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Well, I knew all the bits 7Stringed mentioned, it was more the bit I quoted from Elsydeon.
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oops I tried to keep it spoiler free and failed, sorry
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Believe it or not, not everyone has played every Final Fantasy.
Particularly when they were too young to own a SNES.
-raises hand- Although I did have a SNES for an extremely brief moment.
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jeez at 22 years old, I feel old for some reason. But really, if you havent played FF VI (III) DO IT. It's such a good game. I've only palyed FF II, VI, and VII myself. Oh I've played FF I mystic quest too, but that game is so different I don't count it.
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That's the thing, I'm playing Final Fantasy VI right now :lol
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ohhhhhhhh hahahaha I see why you would object to spoilers then, although I've never thought about spoilers in video games. The story is always coming second to the actual playing of the game to me. I'm sure the info won't mess up the game for you. I've beat that game a few times. I like to play it every few years its that good to me.
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ohhhhhhhh hahahaha I see why you would object to spoilers then, although I've never thought about spoilers in video games. The story is always coming second to the actual playing of the game to me.
In a storyline-progressive game, like an RPG etc. The storyline always comes first for me.
I'd be pissed if I knew Aeris blah blah blah blah blah blah. (FFVII)
But seriously, is that even a spoiler anymore?
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Someone ruined that particular spoiler for me just as he gave me the game to borrow >_>
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Someone ruined that particular spoiler for me just as he gave me the game to borrow >_>
Now that would ruin the experience!
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I know :lol
I had VIII ruined for me as well :lol
IX and onwards were not be ruined for me though :hat
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im willing to offer my first born son to you as an apology. we cool?
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It's cool man.
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You're not missing out on much anyway.
Leo sucks.
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How dare you!!!!
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Relm sucks. She was the worst. Strago sucked too. Two pretty useless characters.
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Relm sucks. She was the worst. Strago sucked too. Two pretty useless characters.
Yeah.
The game had more going for it before the WoR (you'll know what that is soon)
It's a great game, but rough around the edges.
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Relm sucks. She was the worst. Strago sucked too. Two pretty useless characters.
Yeah.
The game had more going for it before the WoR (you'll know what that is soon)
It's a great game, but rough around the edges.
I wouldn't say rough around the edges, its just why spend the time to level up those 2 characters when there are soooo many other great characters.
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Relm sucks. She was the worst. Strago sucked too. Two pretty useless characters.
I thought Relm had the best magic stat of anybody in the game? I still never used her anyway 'cause I hate kid characters in video games.
Strago wasn't bad either. The only "bad" character was Umaro. It was a shame, too, because the idea was cool.
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NO way umaro was awesome!!! Rage ring plus blizzard orb. He turns into a freaking beast.
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I'm pretty sure Setzer was the most useless playable character in the game.
He doesn't excel in any category.
I mainly stuck with Locke, Celes, Cyan and Sabin.
Shadow died last time I played the game LOL.
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Yeah I didn't use Setzer either, but apparently a lot of people like him. Cyan was crap too. He had arguably the best story/character development, but he was functionally shitty. Having to wait for all his moves to charge up was a pain in the ass too.
And yeah, 7stringed, I liked Umaro too, but he's pretty worthless in practice.
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So I guess some characters get good background, bad usage, and vice vesa.
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Apparently, they're re-making V and VI for the 3DS
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If that's the case, I'll need to get a 3DS. How many times are they remaking VI?
Or does the version in Final Fantasy Anthology not count as a remake?
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If that's the case, I'll need to get a 3DS. How many times are they remaking VI?
Or does the version in Final Fantasy Anthology not count as a remake?
Without the artwork and crappy FMV sequences, it's essentially the same game.
Even plays the same and has the same long-ass menu loading screen.
The battle screen actually takes longer on the PSX version as far as I can see.
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This should be good then, V and VI are really good games.
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Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?
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Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?
I don't ever want to see an FFVII remake.
Ever.
Square don't have what it takes anymore. They will absolutely ruin the FFVII universe.
They already have infact. AC and CC were bad enough.
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I have to admit, I'm really curious what the "Cloud's subconscious" section would look like with current graphics.
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Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?
I don't ever want to see an FFVII remake.
Ever.
Square don't have what it takes anymore. They will absolutely ruin the FFVII universe.
They already have infact. AC and CC were bad enough.
This is just ridiculous. The question isn't if Square "has it" anymore. The story was already written, the game is already DONE, the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that) and give the graphics the facelift of the millennium. AC and CC were spinoffs, but this is the exact same fucking game.
That and, how many times have they remade the first 6 games? Remember what terrible disasters they were that ruined their respective universes?
I have to admit, I'm really curious what the "Cloud's subconscious" section would look like with current graphics.
Dude, some of the scenes in that game are pretty breathtaking to begin with, but could you imagine what the ending would look like? Or the scene in Junon when Weapon attacks the harbor? Or Weapon himself?
Good lord, this game would redefine the word "amazing" if it had that kind of graphical power.
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I wonder how they'd approach redoing the music.
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There's a really good orchestral remake out there somewhere. I've heard it before and it's pretty awesome. Not the same charm of the original of course, but I think it would fit better with a more polished game.
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the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that)
Oh shit, I'm sure they would do this, and I'm almost as sure that it would be a bad thing.
I could probably count on one hand the video games I've played that had good voice acting. For some reason, it's almost always poorly done and detracts from the game for me. I have no problem at all reading all the dialogue in a game, especially if it means I don't have to listen to a terrible, over-the-top "interpretation" of it.
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Couldn't agree more, for example I thought the spoken dialogue in FF10 was pretty bad. Would've much preferred reading it than hearing it. I normally just read the subtitles anyway
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Man, I just got a PS3 and naturally as a die hard FF fan, the first game I got for it was FFXIII. I'm digging the battle system, the music and the graphics a lot, but the story and the whole dynamics of the game seem to be somewhat lacking. It's way too linear, no world map, just follow a straight path until a 10 minute long cinematic kicks in, with an occasional boss battle.
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Basically, the game repeats the offenses of X but not quite as badly. When you get to chapter XI the game really becomes awesome for awhile, with open exploration and some side things to discover. Shame the whole games wasn't built like that chapter.
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Man, I just got a PS3 and naturally as a die hard FF fan, the first game I got for it was FFXIII. I'm digging the battle system, the music and the graphics a lot, but the story and the whole dynamics of the game seem to be somewhat lacking. It's way too linear, no world map, just follow a straight path until a 10 minute long cinematic kicks in, with an occasional boss battle.
Yeah, I've played a little bit and that disappointed me severly. The graphics blow my mind though.
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the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that)
Oh shit, I'm sure they would do this, and I'm almost as sure that it would be a bad thing.
I could probably count on one hand the video games I've played that had good voice acting. For some reason, it's almost always poorly done and detracts from the game for me. I have no problem at all reading all the dialogue in a game, especially if it means I don't have to listen to a terrible, over-the-top "interpretation" of it.
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I'm in the camp that was okay with the voices from XIII, and I think as long as they used the Advent Children cast for the remake, I'd probably be okay with it. There's a lot of potential for disaster though. I'd hope that Square would be extra careful with this though, being the most popular FF and all.
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the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that)
Oh shit, I'm sure they would do this, and I'm almost as sure that it would be a bad thing.
I could probably count on one hand the video games I've played that had good voice acting. For some reason, it's almost always poorly done and detracts from the game for me. I have no problem at all reading all the dialogue in a game, especially if it means I don't have to listen to a terrible, over-the-top "interpretation" of it.
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I'm in the camp that was okay with the voices from XIII, and I think as long as they used the Advent Children cast for the remake, I'd probably be okay with it. There's a lot of potential for disaster though. I'd hope that Square would be extra careful with this though, being the most popular FF and all.
Yeah actually, I didn't think the voices from XIII were too bad. But the writing of the dialogue wasn't exactly superb.
Vaan alone in XII drove me up the wall. And X's voice acting was pretty weak too overall, I thought. Haven't seen AC; I assume it's better in that department?
Basically, the game repeats the offenses of X but not quite as badly. When you get to chapter XI the game really becomes awesome for awhile, with open exploration and some side things to discover. Shame the whole games wasn't built like that chapter.
I sort of agree. I wasn't very impressed with the game's supposed pocket of "non-linearity". It seemed kinda poorly conceived and shallow; maybe even tacked on. Pretty much all there was to do was run around a huge area and hunt monsters. After playing such a huge portion of the game one way, it was weird for the scope to so drastically change all of a sudden regardless.
Also, IMO X had the superior story.
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X definitely had the better story.
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I'm going through FF10 again now, this is actually my first time replaying it. Knowing what happens ahead of time definitely puts a lot of the conversations in a different light.
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The voice acting in X was pretty solid. It's just Tidus that lets the game down with his dumb-ass voice.
FFXII had the best voice acting, easily. Although Vaan is yet another pretty boy who is there purely to please the japanese school girls.
FFXII, simply put - was pure garbage and the worst in the series by a long stretch. Totally rubbish storyline followed by the worst ever set of playable characters.
Vanille.....words can't even explain. :facepalm:
I actually think Square have lost their way completely. Which is a damn shame.
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Why does Square not realize that by remaking VII they will literally make back 3 times what they spend on it?
I don't ever want to see an FFVII remake.
Ever.
Square don't have what it takes anymore. They will absolutely ruin the FFVII universe.
They already have infact. AC and CC were bad enough.
This is just ridiculous. The question isn't if Square "has it" anymore. The story was already written, the game is already DONE, the only thing they would need to do is maybe add spoken dialogue (Not sure how I feel about that) and give the graphics the facelift of the millennium. AC and CC were spinoffs, but this is the exact same fucking game.
That and, how many times have they remade the first 6 games? Remember what terrible disasters they were that ruined their respective universes?
How is it ridiculous? They've already expanded on the FFVII universe by adding new places in Advent Children.
The game has already been milked enough without the current version of Square-Enix messing things up by remaking the original game. Don't fool yourself, this will be a full on remake. If you think a graphics and audio expansion is all you're going to get then you are sadly mistaken.
The battle system alone will be completely turned on its head, along with new locations and storylines. Ugh. Just thinking about it annoys me.
I'm a die hard FFVII fan and think the game should never be touched. Forgive me for not trusting the intentions of Square Enix, after that last masterpiece of a game (FFXIII) :lol
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Again, I think you're being a TAD ridiculous. Look at the Final Fantasy III and IV remakes on DS. What are they? Graphical and audio overhauls, with voice acting, pretty much? Yeah, thought so. There's no reason for them to change anything about the game, other than the graphics and the audio, so it would be exceedingly stupid if they did so.
So stupid that I'm really not worried about it. Any company would be able to see that they would get serious flak if they changed the battle system or any of the core gameplay/story elements.
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The voice acting in X was pretty solid. It's just Tidus that lets the game down with his dumb-ass voice.
FFXII had the best voice acting, easily. Although Vaan is yet another pretty boy who is there purely to please the japanese school girls.
FFXII, simply put - was pure garbage and the worst in the series by a long stretch. Totally rubbish storyline followed by the worst ever set of playable characters.
Vanille.....words can't even explain. :facepalm:
Auron was the only main character voice in FFX I thought was decent.
In XII, Vaan's voice acting was HORRIBLE. Hard to listen to. Didn't help that his character was crap too.
XIII had mostly decent voice acting. I didn't like Fang's or Vanille's voices, but for once the bad voices were the exceptions.
Any company would be able to see that they would get serious flak if they changed the battle system or any of the core gameplay/story elements.
Yeah I agree. I don't think they'll make any major changes to mechanics or anything. Although they might try to tweak/refine some algorithms, like they've done with practically every other remake.
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And as for Squeenix having "lost it," the Kingdom Hearts series alone tells me they can still make fantastic games.
edit: To be fair, it's not completely out of the ordinary to think that they might change some of the story in FF7 to better incorporate the spinoffs they've done since. They did as much with Chrono Trigger; the PS1 remake added a scene at the end where Luca finds a baby who she adopts (Kid) and the DS version has a bonus boss and a new scene at the end that handwaves the "why isn't Magus out looking for Schala?" plot hole from Chrono Cross (he apparently gives up all of his memories at the end of Chrono Trigger now).
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As long as such things were included as a bonus, and not as the main story, then I fail to see why they would be a problem.
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X definitely had the better story.
For real. FFX's story was good and kept me interested. So far in FFXIII, I'm not really *hooked* to the storyline.
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As long as such things were included as a bonus, and not as the main story, then I fail to see why they would be a problem.
Because it's still a part of the game and is now official story/cannon, regardless of if you have to go a little out of your way to see it. Heck, some of my favorite parts of FFVII were "bonus content" (the Zack and Vincent backstories), and I'd think some amount less of the game if it weren't for them. I don't get why it wouldn't be understandable for someone to be upset if a game's story is changed in an effort to account for spinoffs that they didn't like.
If it's in the game then it's in the game, if I ignored any part of a game I didn't like then I'd love every one :P
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Final Fantasy X is better than XIII in nearly every possible way aside from graphics.
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I would say that XIII's exploration bit was a lot better than X's exploration. If that makes any sense...
I thought X's voice acting was alright for the most part. I mean, it wasn't brilliant by any means but I thought it was certainly acceptable for a game.
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Again, I think you're being a TAD ridiculous. Look at the Final Fantasy III and IV remakes on DS. What are they? Graphical and audio overhauls, with voice acting, pretty much? Yeah, thought so. There's no reason for them to change anything about the game, other than the graphics and the audio, so it would be exceedingly stupid if they did so.
So stupid that I'm really not worried about it. Any company would be able to see that they would get serious flak if they changed the battle system or any of the core gameplay/story elements.
You are comparing a DS remake to a PS3 game.
There is going to be far more things included in a PS3 version as they will try and justify the remake. All this crap about Zack and Genesis - things that just weren't meant to be in the game - will be all over the place here.
New side-quests that connect with CC and AC. It's going to be horrible.
Yeah, maybe i'd like to see a graphics and audio overhaul. But it just won't work out like that. Square will make every attempt to include new dialogue, side-quests, locations, battle systems - whilst forgetting what made the game great in the first place.
Expanding on FFVII was huge mistake to begin with, and i'm more than happy with the original masterpiece.
I just don't trust Square to pull this off anymore. Ask me 5 years ago and maybe i'd agree with you.
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Square will make every attempt to include new dialogue
To be fair, FFVII *desperately* needs its dialogue re-translated.
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I would say that XIII's exploration bit was a lot better than X's exploration. If that makes any sense...
I thought X's voice acting was alright for the most part. I mean, it wasn't brilliant by any means but I thought it was certainly acceptable for a game.
The thing cool about X is, also, if you stuck through it too the end the characters actually grew and became a helluva lot less annoying. I can't really say the same about XIII. Seems, in that game, most of the real interesting stuff was cut out and thrown into the in-game encyclopaedia. A shame.
Square will make every attempt to include new dialogue
To be fair, FFVII *desperately* needs its dialogue re-translated.
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True. Certain parts don't even make sense ;D
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Things like those give videogames a peculiar charm and appeal.
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Zero_Wing_Base.png)
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Apart from the Aeris/Aerith mistranslation, I recall some pretty big mistranslations that actually messed up the plot. For instance, it's said in the English version that the Ancients traveled from planet to planet when really the original just read that they traveled from continent to continent. Also, those dumbasses in black are not copies of Sephiroth, but of eachother (like the Clone Army in Star Wars), which is also fumbled in the original, where you're lead to believe that they're all supposed to have the same DNA as Sephiroth. It seems the translators generally did a good job of making the dialoging interesting, but they really dropped the ball on some of the more complex elements. But then again there's stuff like this from Honeybee:
"I see. So that'll how you'll fool them."
"Hmm...So that's how you fooled them."
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I really don't see that as a big deal at all.
You get the general idea of what everyone is saying. A few misplaced words and sentence structure isn't all that important really.
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If what PC said is true about the hooded/numbered guys and the Ancients is true, I'd say that goes a bit beyond "a few misplaced words and sentence structure." :lol
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If what PC said is true about the hooded/numbered guys and the Ancients is true, I'd say that goes a bit beyond "a few misplaced words and sentence structure." :lol
Yeah, I just posted that line because it's always the first thing I think of. Along with the "Tuff Ring" or however it's misspelled. :lol
But I think PC is right, because even though it's been a long time since I played it, I remember reading something along those lines before (i.e. that the translation was responsible for some of the plot inconsistencies).
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If what PC said is true about the hooded/numbered guys and the Ancients is true, I'd say that goes a bit beyond "a few misplaced words and sentence structure." :lol
it's not that big of a deal really though, is it?
Most of the translation is fine.
Room for improvement, though, yeah.
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Room for improvement for sure. Here's another thing I found while surfing around:
Apparently somewhere in the game, I think during the flashback, Sephiroth says something to cloud like "SOLDIERS are exposed to mako. You're different from the others, you're still human" which leads the player to believe that Cloud is different from the SOLDIERS, who've lost some basic human element. The clarity of the original, which said something like "SOLDIERS like yourself are exposed to mako. You're different from normal people, but you're still human." They also say Tseng was "done in" by Sephiroth in translation, when in the original they just say that Sephiroth hurt beat him up. I think that's important. Sephiroth, for some reason, didn't kill Tseng when he had no problem killing anyone else. Like I said, the issue is the clarity. The translators don't seem to have understood certain lines, so just translated them to what they thought they meant.
There's also a ton of instances where names were just not translated correctly at all. Here's some more goodies I found:
https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII/Glitches_and_errors#Translation_errors_and_typos
Note: Most of the translation bugs were fixed in PC version.
* When Cloud first meets Aeris after he falls through the roof of her church, the young girl tells him he gave her a fright, since he almost fell on her. However, since Japanese being somewhat ambiguous with its lack of any personal endings for its verbs, Aeris, still referring to the church, proceeds to give Cloud a good telling-off about how scared she was when the church almost fell on her.
* If you talk to the sick man in the slums, Aeris tells Cloud the following: "This guy are sick."
* The player can choose "Off course!" or "No, way!" when asked if they want to continue in the Battle Arena in Gold Saucer.
* Jenova's only line was a typo: "Beacause, you are... a puppet."
* In one of the cliff caves you find an item labeled "last elixir," however there is no such item in the game and one will not appear in your inventory. Most likely this was a mistranslation of "megalixir."
* Barret's Ungarmax Limit Break is meant to be Angermax
I remember that god-damned elixer :lol :lol :lol
That said, NP, FFVII was still a vast improvement over what Square had done before. Wanna see a real bad translation? Just turn to the PG'd SNES versions or (eek) Final Fantasy Tactics. I'd say FF7 was the first game where Square approached it with actually some desire to do an "OK" job.
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That said, NP, FFVII was still a vast improvement over what Square had done before. Wanna see a real bad translation? Just turn to the PG'd SNES versions or (eek) Final Fantasy Tactics. I'd say FF7 was the first game where Square approached it with actually some desire to do an "OK" job.
FFT was God-awful, yeah. But Square's SNES games were all well-translated, as far as I can remember. Quality-wise, that is: no rampant plot holes created, proper English grammar, etc. Much better than FF7 in that regard.
But they were definitely heavily and unnecessarily censored at times.
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FFT was God-awful, yeah. But Square's SNES games were all well-translated, as far as I can remember. Quality-wise, that is: no rampant plot holes created, proper English grammar, etc. Much better than FF7 in that regard.
But they were definitely heavily and unnecessarily censored at times.
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Not even close. One person alone had a month to translated FF6, more of less by himself.
You may be referring to "re-translated ports" on the PSOne, DS, or PSP. FFIV's original "FFII" translation is terrible. FF6 as "FFIII" is almost as bad. Apart from rampant errors, mispellings, abbreviated names, and failure to translate the names of many items/monsters correctly, the games are "censored" much in the same way as Dragonball Z's english translation was. Any allusion to "Killing" or "Death" was basically PG'd On the other hand, Kefka seems to have taken on a new personality as a result of being handled so oddly. He's a lot funnier in the English translation than he is in the original, from what I've heard. I guess translating "you can burn to death!" as "welcome to my BBQ" would do that.
There are also many points of plot confusion, from what I've heard, but I'm not familiar enough with that game to go into it.
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I've only played the SNES versions. And I guess I'm not referring to accuracy with regard to the original Japanese. I'm saying that the dialogue, plot, etc. on its own makes enough sense, and isn't riddled with grammatical errors and stuff. For example, Kefka's character may not be faithful to what it was originally supposed to be, but in the context of the English game by itself, there's nothing inconsistent about it. To my knowledge, there aren't any significant plot issues in either game stemming from the translation.
FF4 had more of a problem with abbreviations, but I don't remember it being too big an issue in FF6.
As for item/monster names, again, a lot of them are different. But I don't recall a single item name being nonsensical in FF6. Monsters were another story, I guess, I hadn't thought about that. Lots of weird stuff in that department. :lol
And I agree, the censoring was totally ridiculous, but I don't think it did much of anything to muddle things up.
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Yeah, FF6 doesn't seem to suffer from that problem. Despite all the translations "errors" there's no real translation disasters unless once you get passed the intentional censoring.
My feeling on that is this: nearly the entirety FF6 was translated by one guy: Arthur Woosley (I think). He butchered some names here and there, but you can tell he understood the plot well enough. FF7, on the other hand, was way bigger than FF6. Definitely too much for one person alone. With FF7, there was likely a translation "team" that divided sections up. The people on this "team" probably knew the story well enough, but not as completely as Woosley knew FF6. After all, not only is FF7 a lot bigger than 6, but the plot is a lot more convoluted.If half a dozen people worked on translated FF7, I'm sure one of them actually had little to know idea about what the game was actually about.
Of course, this is ALL speculation on my part :hat
My overall point is just that while FF7 is far from perfect, it was still the first time Square really went out of their way to at least try to translate the game accurately, without any censorship or numbing down of the plot. They didn't completely succeed, but just look how all the games after it (except for Tactics of course) have done.
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It's Ted Woolsey: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Woolseyism
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He did Chrono Trigger too. This image here emphasizes why his translations added to the games, even if they changed the meaning sometimes:
(https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/e/e1/Retranslationexample.png)
On a similar note, have any of you guys played FFT for PSP? I love the new translation. It's the translation that game always deserved I think.
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My overall point is just that while FF7 is far from perfect, it was still the first time Square really went out of their way to at least try to translate the game accurately, without any censorship or numbing down of the plot.
Yeah I agree, probably the first time they dedicated a whole team of translators to a game. And Sony didn't have the over-the-top censorship policies Nintendo had encumbered them with. Unfortunately, they didn't have the quality control either. :lol It blows my mind that a script so full of errors could make it to a final product.
I didn't ever own a Playstation until I got a Playstation 2, and it was several years after FF7 came out that I actually played it. I know its mainstream crossover wasn't really expected, but was it projected to be a hit even a fraction of the size of the one it became? If so, maybe that has something to do with why Square put a little more into it, at least from a manpower perspective.
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I think that it was expected to be a big game. There were commercials for it, and even some kind of marketing in conjunction with Pepsi.
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I think that it was expected to be a big game. There were commercials for it, and even some kind of marketing in conjunction with Pepsi.
Yes, it was expected. I think the projections were much smaller than what actually happened though.
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Yeah, I remember seeing a commercial for it. Didn't they spoil Aeris' death during one? I remember seeing the scene in the game and being all "hey, I saw that on TV."
My dad's also still got the shirt that came with pre ordering the game.
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Yeah, I remember seeing a commercial for it. Didn't they spoil Aeris' death during one?
Yeah, I totally remember that. When I first starting playing the game, I asked me friend "wait, is this that game with the commercial with the dead girl in it?"
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I'm having such a good time replaying FF7 on my PSP. I only play for about 40 minutes a night and started sometime last week, so I'm just one-third through the Shinra building. But like I said, it's been lots of fun.
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I'm having such a good time replaying FF7 on my PSP. I only play for about 40 minutes a night and started sometime last week, so I'm just one-third through the Shinra building. But like I said, it's been lots of fun.
I hope you used the stairs to get to the top :D
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Of course :P On my last two playthroughs (playthrough meaning: getting somewhere on disc one and stopping) I took the elevator 'cause I wanted to level. This was the first time I took the stairs since my first ever playthrough. I forgot how hilarious that part is.
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Bumping to say I just caught the Chocobo and ran past the Zolom. The flashback scene used to be one of my favorite, but I like it a lot less recently. Probably because I've done it so many times. Whereas everything after, say, Cosmo Canyon is still really fresh for me, and has been played at max one or two times.
I've been using Aeris this play through for the first time ever. Damn I didn't realize how good she is with magic. Anyone ever attempt to get her final limit? Is it a tough thing to do?
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Bumping to say I just caught the Chocobo and ran past the Zolom. The flashback scene used to be one of my favorite, but I like it a lot less recently. Probably because I've done it so many times. Whereas everything after, say, Cosmo Canyon is still really fresh for me, and has been played at max one or two times.
I've been using Aeris this play through for the first time ever. Damn I didn't realize how good she is with magic. Anyone ever attempt to get her final limit? Is it a tough thing to do?
I never bothered because I never liked using her. It won't be tough, it will just be a matter of time. It's really not worth it considering her fate.
It was a pain in the ass bringing her along to the Temple of the Ancients because she was so far behind the other characters in terms of stats, that it makes it much harder to beat the Demon Wall boss (a true pain in the ass for people who don't spend time levelling up)
I love the Kalm flashback and the events up until after Junon.
I never actually bother getting a chocobo anymore as the Zolom can be out-run through the marsches on foot. Just wait until it hits the far corner and make a run for it.
Which raises an interesting point - what do the Turks say when you bring Aeris along in the Mythril Cave? As I recall, they specifically ask Cloud where she is.
I've beaten FFVII about 8 times but never bothered to include her in my game. I might give it a try on next playthrough.
I almost always end up with Cloud/Barret/Cid.
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I've had a really strong urge lately to play some of the older Final Fantasies (vi and earlier). Looks like it's rom time (???)
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I need to get a little bit further in IX. I'm starting to fall in love with the characters, so I need to play it a bit more before I really start to care about finishing it, I think.
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Is this your first play? If so, you're in for the treat. It's the best game of all time.
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Yeah, every monster is kicking my ass on the way to Burmecia. It's impossible to even level because only one fucking character survives.
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ohhhh man Burmecia is a fucking beautiful level. I love the the way that whole place looks with the rain and everything. But yeah, maybe you should LEVEL UP, PUSSY
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What, the monster's between Gizmaluke's Grotto and Burmecia are giving you trouble? How the fuck did you manage to beat Gizmaluke, who wins the award for most disproportionately difficult boss ever, if you can't beat the monsters after him, which are weaksauce compared to the monsters in the grotto?
What is the matter with you?
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Beatrix: hot or hot?
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I never actually bother getting a chocobo anymore as the Zolom can be out-run through the marsches on foot. Just wait until it hits the far corner and make a run for it.
Yup. Done it. Sometimes I try and beat the Zolom just to see if I'm where I should be level-wise. It almost never matters, though.
Which raises an interesting point - what do the Turks say when you bring Aeris along in the Mythril Cave? As I recall, they specifically ask Cloud where she is.
I actually don't remember. I don't think it's anything special.
Demon's Gate was a bitch my first time through because 7 was my first RPG and I didn't have any idea what I was doing really. It'll be interesting just to see how the fight goes with a level 2 or 3 limit, since I've never gotten even that far with Aeris.
FTR, once you enter ToA, you can't leave 'til it's over, right? And once it ends, Aeris is gone for good? I'm having trouble remembering, as I rarely get that far in my playthroughs.
Also, for FF9, I turned my back forever when you have to split the party up. My party in the area where you can't use magic was all weak mage characters. So I gave up and never looked back.
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So I'm already thinking of a SNES game to play after Chrono Trigger. I'm running on emu btw. I'm thinking between Earthbound and FF6. Which is better?
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So I'm already thinking of a SNES game to play after Chrono Trigger. I'm running on emu btw. I'm thinking between Earthbound and FF6. Which is better?
For some reason, neither ever really clicked with me.
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FTR, once you enter ToA, you can't leave 'til it's over, right? And once it ends, Aeris is gone for good? I'm having trouble remembering, as I rarely get that far in my playthroughs.
Yeah, she goes off on her own after that and you'll either engage in the Gongaga side-story with Tifa, or you'll skip it as you brought her there straight after the Golden Saucer (optional)
Damn, just thinking about it makes me want to play it again.
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What, the monster's between Gizmaluke's Grotto and Burmecia are giving you trouble? How the fuck did you manage to beat Gizmaluke, who wins the award for most disproportionately difficult boss ever, if you can't beat the monsters after him, which are weaksauce compared to the monsters in the grotto?
What is the matter with you?
No, I can't beat the monsters on the way to Gizmaluke's Grotto. They're handing my ass to me on a silver fucking platter.
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Also, for FF9, I turned my back forever when you have to split the party up. My party in the area where you can't use magic was all weak mage characters. So I gave up and never looked back.
He specifically told you that magic didn't work there, so that's your own fault, don't blame the game :P
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Yeah, she goes off on her own after that and you'll either engage in the Gongaga side-story with Tifa, or you'll skip it as you brought her there straight after the Golden Saucer (optional)
Gongaga side story? Refresh my memory please :biggrin:
Also, for FF9, I turned my back forever when you have to split the party up. My party in the area where you can't use magic was all weak mage characters. So I gave up and never looked back.
He specifically told you that magic didn't work there, so that's your own fault, don't blame the game :P
If the dialog weren't so god awfully boring I definitely would have paid more attention.
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I wish the story would go somewhere. I know I need to get to the next place, but the story got all interesting with the black mages and we've seen nothing about them since.
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So I'm already thinking of a SNES game to play after Chrono Trigger. I'm running on emu btw. I'm thinking between Earthbound and FF6. Which is better?
Ive only finishef ff6 and found that to be one of my fav games ever. Earthbound is cool too, you can't go wrong with either.
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I wish the story would go somewhere. I know I need to get to the next place, but the story got all interesting with the black mages and we've seen nothing about them since.
Unfortunately there was never one time through FF9's story (as far as I got on disc 3) that really captivated me. I liked the atmosphere and everything, but never once did I actually care what was going on.
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So I'm already thinking of a SNES game to play after Chrono Trigger. I'm running on emu btw. I'm thinking between Earthbound and FF6. Which is better?
Ive only finishef ff6 and found that to be one of my fav games ever. Earthbound is cool too, you can't go wrong with either.
Earthbound is one of the only other games I would put on the same tier of greatness as Chrono Trigger (the other being Silent Hill 2).
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Yeah, she goes off on her own after that and you'll either engage in the Gongaga side-story with Tifa, or you'll skip it as you brought her there straight after the Golden Saucer (optional)
Gongaga side story? Refresh my memory please :biggrin:
Some of the Zack/Aeris angle is explained here. But Cloud isn't much help as he's not yet realised how incredibly fucked up he is right now. (he is essentially emulating Zack himself)
Gongaga is Zack's hometown and you can meet his parents in the little house to the south-east of the village.
You get the best dialogue by bringing Aeris with you here. As she was once Zack's girlfriend. I think bringing Tifa along as well gives you some additional information.
You can do this without Aeris and just Tifa after the ToA implodes, or you can do this in full with Aeris and/or Tifa if you enter Gongaga straight after the Gold Saucer (just after you receive the road vehicle from Dio)
I think it's best to do it straight away as you get to fight Reno and Rude (and steal some shit) Plus you can get Titan Materia and Deathblow here, and also see a scene between Tseng and Scarlet. You will miss all of this (minus the materia) if you decide to wait until after the ToA.
I wish the story would go somewhere. I know I need to get to the next place, but the story got all interesting with the black mages and we've seen nothing about them since.
Unfortunately there was never one time through FF9's story (as far as I got on disc 3) that really captivated me. I liked the atmosphere and everything, but never once did I actually care what was going on.
Agree 100 percent. FFIX was just not consistant enough. It had great characters and atmosphere, but was letdown by poor storyline development from Disc 3 onwards. The whole Kuja angle ruined the game, and I was disappointed to see 50% of the world map you were beginning to explore - was nothing more than deserted land.
I think if Disc 3 and 4 were handled with more care, then it would be one of the best in the series.
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I wish the story would go somewhere. I know I need to get to the next place, but the story got all interesting with the black mages and we've seen nothing about them since.
Unfortunately there was never one time through FF9's story (as far as I got on disc 3) that really captivated me. I liked the atmosphere and everything, but never once did I actually care what was going on.
I honestly think you just have really, really, really bad taste in things just to troll me. There is no possible way that someone could so consistently not like or not get awesome things.
You are going to miss everything cool that ever happens and die angry, unfulfilled, and completely alone, utterly forgotten in a cold room.
May science have mercy on your soul.
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I wish the story would go somewhere. I know I need to get to the next place, but the story got all interesting with the black mages and we've seen nothing about them since.
I've honestly never had that problem with the game. The story seems to be really present the entire time.
I have, however, had that problem with Final Fantasy IV, but only on my first play.
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I thought the story was great, easily one of the best in the series. I guess you could say the pacing is a little inconsistent at times, but not significantly so, and I certainly never had any problems with it. Play it again, fools!
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Anyone who says FFIX has a bad story is dead inside and will never be happy. Ever.
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Anyone who says FFIX has a bad story is dead inside and will never be happy. Ever.
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I'm always sad. And my organs are not living.
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Some of the Zack/Aeris angle is explained here. But Cloud isn't much help as he's not yet realised how incredibly fucked up he is right now. (he is essentially emulating Zack himself)
Gongaga is Zack's hometown and you can meet his parents in the little house to the south-east of the village.
Oh yeah, I remember this now. I always just did it after the Gold Saucer. I never even realized it was a side quest.
Agree 100 percent. FFIX was just not consistant enough. It had great characters and atmosphere, but was letdown by poor storyline development from Disc 3 onwards. The whole Kuja angle ruined the game, and I was disappointed to see 50% of the world map you were beginning to explore - was nothing more than deserted land.
Yup. The weird thing is, I like the mechanics of the game very much. But the story just is not good. I actually don't think I can remember most of the important plot details. FF7 is the only FF on the PSOne that I really like aside form tactics.
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Agree 100 percent. FFIX was just not consistant enough. It had great characters and atmosphere, but was letdown by poor storyline development from Disc 3 onwards. The whole Kuja angle ruined the game, and I was disappointed to see 50% of the world map you were beginning to explore - was nothing more than deserted land.
Yup. The weird thing is, I like the mechanics of the game very much. But the story just is not good. I actually don't think I can remember most of the important plot details.
To me, the plot/characters are the main things going for it. The mechanics are simplistic and dated, for the most part, and the long-ass battle intro animation makes me contemplate suicide.
It's been a long time since I've played it, but I thought the story didn't really start getting good until like the middle of disc 3? And it just got better from there.
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Yup. The weird thing is, I like the mechanics of the game very much. But the story just is not good. I actually don't think I can remember most of the important plot details. FF7 is the only FF on the PSOne that I really like aside form tactics.
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Tactics has an amazing story.
Maybe I'll download FF9 from the Sony store when I finish 7.
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Tactics has an amazing story.
Maybe I'll download FF9 from the Sony store when I finish 7.
That's mah boy. :biggrin:
And yeah I agree Tactics had a good story too. There was something about it that bugged me though, but it's been so long I can barely remember. I think it had something to do with getting my ass kicked by Chocobos while trying to level up in those throwaway battles between scenarios.
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Tactics has an amazing story.
Maybe I'll download FF9 from the Sony store when I finish 7.
To be fair, I never finished Tactics. It was really a "wat" at the gameplay. I really didn't like that battle style back when it came out. But for some reason I think it works well in the Front Mission games.
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Tactics has an amazing story.
Maybe I'll download FF9 from the Sony store when I finish 7.
To be fair, I never finished Tactics. It was really a "wat" at the gameplay. I really didn't like that battle style back when it came out. But for some reason I think it works well in the Front Mission games.
The battle system is indeed wat at first but once you start trying to build certain characters it gets really freakin' addictive. I forgot to bring the game to HK, but when I go back home I'm definitely remembering to take it with me. By my second time playing the game, I refused to use any of the story characters except Ramza. Using the guys you've been leveling up is just so much more fun.
How far did you get? By the end of the first "chapter" I thought the story was pretty damn interesting, but it only gets better from there. The PSP version is also written in really well-done psuedo Elizabethan English which really gives it a cool effect. It really is a cool game ;D
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I'll admit I was pretty unimpressed with Tactics' story when I played it. Just couldn't get into it, and some of the twists were pretty predictable. I dunno, may I was just overhyped after all the praise I heard about it. The gameplay is legit though. I actually just picked up the PSP version (from a bargain bin!). I'll have to give that a run someday and see if the new translation/script improves my opinion any.
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Tactics has an amazing story.
Maybe I'll download FF9 from the Sony store when I finish 7.
To be fair, I never finished Tactics. It was really a "wat" at the gameplay. I really didn't like that battle style back when it came out. But for some reason I think it works well in the Front Mission games.
The battle system is indeed wat at first but once you start trying to build certain characters it gets really freakin' addictive. I forgot to bring the game to HK, but when I go back home I'm definitely remembering to take it with me. By my second time playing the game, I refused to use any of the story characters except Ramza. Using the guys you've been leveling up is just so much more fun.
How far did you get? By the end of the first "chapter" I thought the story was pretty damn interesting, but it only gets better from there. The PSP version is also written in really well-done psuedo Elizabethan English which really gives it a cool effect. It really is a cool game ;D
I honestly have no clue how far in I got, the last time I played it was the year it came out :lol
If I could find it for the DS for a good price I would probably get it, just to give it a fair try.
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Oh the DS one is different, and nowhere near as good.
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Looks like someone's going to try to remake FF7 in Little Big Planet 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBQdGx9uLc
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I'm absolutely dying to find out when Versus XIII is coming out.
Apparently, there is going to be some sort of press conference relating to it on the 18th of January...
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PSP is getting a IV collection, which will include IV, The After Years, and some new story in between the two.
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Does anyone have a PS3 just laying around? :3
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Come to Aberdeen and we can play the PS3 all day long :heart
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Okay.
Also, I put up a mini-comic that has something to do with Final Fantasy so yeah
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Sweet. I'll just have a look.
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So I've been playing X-2.
This game is not nearly as bad as I remember (though some of the dialogue is just atrocious). The battle system is really fun and I cannot possibly dislike an FF game with a job system, mahou-shoujo style transformation sequences aside.
The music during the battles with LeBlanc and her cronies is also really great. I just wish I didn't need to play stupid sphere break in order to get the best ending >:(
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I dunno, i remember playing the game for maybe two hours before I got sick of it.
Also, I realized not too long ago that XIII is the first Final Fantasy (apart from online/peripheral games) that I did not buy on release date since FF VII.
I've....failed
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No you haven't, XIII sucks :biggrin:
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Never played X-2 but I have heard that its battle system is actually pretty fun.
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^^ You heard right. It is an incredibly cheesy game, but the gameplay makes up for it.
No you haven't, XIII sucks :biggrin:
I got it for Christmas and I couldn't disagree more. I love it.
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Yup. The weird thing is, I like the mechanics of the game very much. But the story just is not good. I actually don't think I can remember most of the important plot details. FF7 is the only FF on the PSOne that I really like aside form tactics.
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What? Tactics is one of my favourites. However PC seems to have forgotten the existence of FF8, the best game evar. >:(
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No you haven't, XIII sucks :biggrin:
I got it for Christmas and I couldn't disagree more. I love it.
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I enjoyed it for what it is but I can see why others don't, it's fundamentally divisive from a design standpoint. Personally I thought the battle system was great, best in the series, and was the most fun I've had with a FF game in a long time, even if the script and dialogue is inexcusably bad by modern gaming standards.
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The battle system in FFXIII was atrocious. I would say that was possibly the worst aspect of the game, even setting aside the abysmal characters, awful area/level design, and crap story.
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I'm with Mr. Beale. I love the battle system in that game.
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The battle system in FFXIII was atrocious. I would say that was possibly the worst aspect of the game, even setting aside the abysmal characters, awful area/level design, and crap story.
Gotta disagree with you there. I love the fast pace, the paradigms give you a nice amount of control over the battle without making you micro manage every attack and heal command. And the stagger and rating system is a brilliant way of encouraging you to find the quickest route to victory at all times instead of just coasting on normal attacks and an occasional heal like in so many jrpgs. Does it still become routine in the late game? Yeah but so does every other FF. I do wish you could go in and adjust the AI priorities though (and had enemies that required said adjustments). Yeah the leveling system is pretty redundant and the level caps are extremely questionable but the battles themselves were really fun imo.
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I have trouble describing a battle system that requires gimmicky fights to actually be challenging as anything other than crap.
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I really can't see why you hate it so much. :lol
I finally got a PS3 and FF XIII at Christmas, and I'm really liking it so far. I like the characters and the story seems quite good (although I can't really judge until the end), and the dialogue is reasonable, pretty much standard FF quality. I think the game's main benefit over the previous ones is how slick it is, particularly visually.
The one thing I'm not so keen on is how linear it is, but then X was the same, so it doesn't bother me that much.
As for the battle system, it's fine. I've never really been that bothered about FF battle systems, but I like that they change things up from game to game, and I like the fact that the last couple of games have seen quicker, more efficient systems.
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So, I figured we should move the XIII-2 discussion in here rather than hi-jack the video games thread with it. I'm extremely excited for this. It looks like it's basically another story with the same characters, but apparently everything has been tweaked, including the battle system.
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Honestly I don't really care for it. I'll probably give it a shot when it comes out, but probably won't buy it. The only release I'm remotely interested in from square at this moment is VersusXIII
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So, I figured we should move the XIII-2 discussion in here rather than hi-jack the video games thread with it. I'm extremely excited for this. It looks like it's basically another story with the same characters, but apparently everything has been tweaked, including the battle system.
I hope it has a better story than the first one. I honestly wouldn't mind a quick and dirty sequel that lifts a lot from the original (heck I hope they keep a similar battle system, just expanding on its ideas (and remove the stupid autobattle button ::))) if it had a good story. Not sure how much stuff they can reuse from XIII like X-2 though, since *spoilers* Cocoon is trashed at the end of XIII *end spoilers*
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Dude, without the auto-battle button, that game would be so stupidly hard in the last few chapters. Maybe everybody else has superhuman speed, but I'd be wasting time inputting actions manually. The only time I do it is when I need to Esuna somebody and they're at yellow health (that's probably the only time the AI annoys me. I've got Lightning with 4 status ailments, getting creamed by a boss, and unable to do anything. Hope just sits there healing me and letting the process repeat).
That said, I just beat the game today. Very satisfied with the final boss and the ending. Now I have to decide which one to hit next. I've started VI, IX, and I, but I'm just not sure which one I feel like conquering.
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My girlfriend and I finally finished X together a few days and have moved onto X-2. The combat is definitely better, to say the least.
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Dude, without the auto-battle button, that game would be so stupidly hard in the last few chapters. Maybe everybody else has superhuman speed, but I'd be wasting time inputting actions manually. The only time I do it is when I need to Esuna somebody and they're at yellow health (that's probably the only time the AI annoys me. I've got Lightning with 4 status ailments, getting creamed by a boss, and unable to do anything. Hope just sits there healing me and letting the process repeat).
I never used auto battle after trying it in the beginning, and the ending certainly isn't that stupidly hard when not using it.
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Interesting. It was always preferable to go for 5 extra button presses when clicking auto-battle would usually get you the exact same thing?
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Maybe not, but I didn't want to use auto-battle. I found it enjoyable that way, where you're always in a rush to get the right commands out in a quick enough time. It's not like I can't see the advantage to auto-battle, especially for many common command sets, I'm just saying it really wasn't necessary.
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I love FFVI so much, I end up playing through it on my SNES or DS (GBA game) at least once a year.
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Maybe not, but I didn't want to use auto-battle. I found it enjoyable that way, where you're always in a rush to get the right commands out in a quick enough time. It's not like I can't see the advantage to auto-battle, especially for many common command sets, I'm just saying it really wasn't necessary.
Well, of course it wasn't necessary, but it's a huge part of what made the game enjoyable for me. Instead of wasting your time inputting commands for small enemies that you can just blow through, hit a button and move on. The gambit system in XII wasn't necessary either, and while we're at it the entire Eidolon system probably wasn't necessary.
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So... I've downed Orphan and officially completed the main story of a Final Fantasy game.
Now does someone want to explain to me WTF that final battle was and what exactly happened in the video afterwords? The story in 10 kinds of confusing and frankly I don't know exactly went down at the end.
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So... I've downed Orphan and officially completed the main story of a Final Fantasy game.
Now does someone want to explain to me WTF that final battle was and what exactly happened in the video afterwords? The story in 10 kinds of confusing and frankly I don't know exactly went down at the end.
Just forget everything you played and literally start with a new game. Starting with FFXIII is like Union being your first Yes album.
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Maybe not, but I didn't want to use auto-battle. I found it enjoyable that way, where you're always in a rush to get the right commands out in a quick enough time. It's not like I can't see the advantage to auto-battle, especially for many common command sets, I'm just saying it really wasn't necessary.
Well, of course it wasn't necessary, but it's a huge part of what made the game enjoyable for me. Instead of wasting your time inputting commands for small enemies that you can just blow through, hit a button and move on. The gambit system in XII wasn't necessary either, and while we're at it the entire Eidolon system probably wasn't necessary.
You said the ending would be stupidly difficult without it, so you think it is necessary to use it in order to reasonably beat the game. That's what we were talking about and what I said wasn't really true, why would you take it to mean any more than that?
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My girlfriend and I finally finished X together a few days and have moved onto X-2. The combat is definitely better, to say the least.
That's nice. My gf won't play games with me. She just sits there and reads or knits or something :P
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So... I've downed Orphan and officially completed the main story of a Final Fantasy game.
Now does someone want to explain to me WTF that final battle was and what exactly happened in the video afterwords? The story in 10 kinds of confusing and frankly I don't know exactly went down at the end.
I'll try to make it as simple as possible.
Actually, no I can't. You'd be wise to read through some of the datalog in the game. The events, mythos, and all the flashbacks are right there for your eyes to feast upon. If you want a simpler explanation, I recommend wikipedia.
Maybe not, but I didn't want to use auto-battle. I found it enjoyable that way, where you're always in a rush to get the right commands out in a quick enough time. It's not like I can't see the advantage to auto-battle, especially for many common command sets, I'm just saying it really wasn't necessary.
Well, of course it wasn't necessary, but it's a huge part of what made the game enjoyable for me. Instead of wasting your time inputting commands for small enemies that you can just blow through, hit a button and move on. The gambit system in XII wasn't necessary either, and while we're at it the entire Eidolon system probably wasn't necessary.
You said the ending would be stupidly difficult without it, so you think it is necessary to use it in order to reasonably beat the game. That's what we were talking about and what I said wasn't really true, why would you take it to mean any more than that?
I'm not sure. You win. :P
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My girlfriend and I finally finished X together a few days and have moved onto X-2. The combat is definitely better, to say the least.
That's nice. My gf won't play games with me. She just sits there and reads or knits or something :P
Yeah, that's what she does when it's my turn there's a bunch of fighting. Or when I take care of all of the boring equipment or sphere grid stuff. Other than that, it's pretty much awesome.
As for X-2, we're not very far yet but the music so far has been moderately the worst thing ever.
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DILLY DALLY SHILLY SHALLY
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...Advent Children?
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Just finished the Opera scene in Final Fantasy VI.
Holy shit.
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Sweet. That was never even one of my favorite parts of the game, although I know it is a lot of people's. I got stuck at that part when I rented it as an 8 or 9 year old kid and I had to take it back before I could beat it.
Awesome game though, are you enjoying it so far?
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Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying it. I feel like I might be a little bit overleveled since I'm basically owning everything, but that's half the fun of a Final Fantasy game anyway.
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Yeah it's not exactly a challenging game. Just don't ever stop to level up and run away from a lot of battles and it...still will be a cake walk, but maybe not as much of one.
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Oh god the Opera. That made Ultros one of my favourite villains ever. :lol Although Kefka is always my favourite.
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Went to Distant Worlds this weekend, and Uematsu was in attendance. The show was a lot of fun, but I didn't see any cosplayers. Maybe one woman I saw was, but it really could have been normal clothing for her and her very pink hair.
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Playing XII again. TOTALLY GROUND THOSE LICENSE POINTS TO DEATH
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Has anybody downloaded FFIV for PSP from the PS Store? It's an enhanced version of the original game with better graphics. It also includes the original game and an extra called The After Years, which I haven't even seen yet cause I've been too busy playing the main game. I highly recommend it.
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They backed out a lot of the DS upgrades, though.
I got it just to play Interlude and After Years, which were much better than I expected. My only particular gripe with After Years was the absurd number of bosses in the final segment. It got a little tiring, to be honest. Basically, you get: fight a few bosses, see partial conclusion to one of the character chapters, repeat numerous times.
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Playing XII again. TOTALLY GROUND THOSE LICENSE POINTS TO DEATH
In terms of gameplay, XII is probably my absolute favourite. Such a shame the story is quite weak.
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Bought Final Fantasy IV Complete Collection for PSP yesterday at my local GameStop. I had played a little bit of the DS version before and thought it was shit, but I figured I'd give this one a try too, and I'm pleasantly surprised. My only issue so far is the difficulty curve. The tiny mages in the second dungeon are fucking ridiculous, while Cecil is killing practically everything else in one hit. Having Sage Tellah join the party was extraordinarily helpful. Multiple targeting magic FTW.
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The Interlude and After Years were not hard at all, i.e. never having to grind and not very many end games. Seems odd the main game would be tweaked to difficult and not those two.
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Bought Final Fantasy IV Complete Collection for PSP yesterday at my local GameStop. I had played a little bit of the DS version before and thought it was shit, but I figured I'd give this one a try too, and I'm pleasantly surprised. My only issue so far is the difficulty curve. The tiny mages in the second dungeon are fucking ridiculous, while Cecil is killing practically everything else in one hit. Having Sage Tellah join the party was extraordinarily helpful. Multiple targeting magic FTW.
FFIV can be hard as fuck sometimes, but it has some of the most inventive and strategic boss battles in the games.
Oh and the story is also fantastic.
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Yeah, FFIV does have some pretty sudden difficulty changes.
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FFIV can be hard as fuck sometimes, but it has some of the most inventive and strategic boss battles in the games.
Oh and the story is also fantastic.
Although I have fond memories of playing FF4 as a kid, and I still think it's a decent game, I do think the story is pretty bad; it's completely run-of-the-mill and cliched. I'll grant that there were a couple of interesting boss battles though, in that they required more than just spamming your best moves over and over.
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Actually, that place you go near the end got a wtf from me more than a oh that's so cliche. :lol
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Although I have fond memories of playing FF4 as a kid, and I still think it's a decent game, I do think the story is pretty bad; it's completely run-of-the-mill and cliched. I'll grant that there were a couple of interesting boss battles though, in that they required more than just spamming your best moves over and over.
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I dunno. I'd say it's only cliched if you don't look at when it was released and how it inspired following games.
Okay, maybe the stories not that great (rose-colored glasses an all) but I still enjoy it and the characters quite a bit.
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I'm enjoying the story a lot so far. I love the whole idea of the crystals (easily my favorite part about FFI), and Rydia's story is definitely one of the more heartbreaking introductions to a FF game.
I can't really think of an aspect of the story (yet, I'm about 2 hours in) that seems cliched yet. Granted, I don't play a lot of older JRPGs.
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I dunno. I'd say it's only cliched if you don't look at when it was released and how it inspired following games.
Okay, maybe the stories not that great (rose-colored glasses an all) but I still enjoy it and the characters quite a bit.
I'm enjoying the story a lot so far. I love the whole idea of the crystals (easily my favorite part about FFI), and Rydia's story is definitely one of the more heartbreaking introductions to a FF game.
I can't really think of an aspect of the story (yet, I'm about 2 hours in) that seems cliched yet. Granted, I don't play a lot of older JRPGs.
Hey, maybe I'm way off, I'm glad you guys enjoy it. By all means, don't let me ruin it for you! :tup
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FFIV does have a great story with great music. It's a tough game, but fun and challenging. Oddly, though I only played it once, I found many of the scenes and dungeons to be much more memorable than those from later games. The music is awesome, too.
I've been thinking of picking up the PSP version just for The After Years. How is it?
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If you liked FFIV it is probably worth it.
The story in After Years was fine enough for me, except they sometimes seemed to dwell too much on the first game rather than just move on like a good sequel. The chapter break up is nice, fairly simple and concise setups for the concluding chapter, but then they don't even seem to conclude most of them that well. Leaving things open is a good part of stories, but I think it would havebeen a lot more fulfilling if a few of these stories had been left with more than hints. I have another spoiler complaint about the story but will leave that alone.
The biggest problem in the game is the final dungeon. I'm sorry, easily 30+ bosses interspersed with save points and hit or miss story scenes was at best tiring by the end. A lot of these bosses were interesting, but come on. Nice idea, way too much of it.
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I'm still playing through the game (FFIV). Sometimes I have to take a break from it because some of these boss battles are insane. I really like this PSP version a lot though. The After Years and Interlude were pretty cool, but were over too quickly. I hope they keep coming out with these enhanced versions. I like em.
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I'm still playing through the game (FFIV). Sometimes I have to take a break from it because some of these boss battles are insane. I really like this PSP version a lot though. The After Years and Interlude were pretty cool, but were over too quickly. I hope they keep coming out with these enhanced versions. I like em.
The After Years was too quick for you but not he first game? Iv itself is much shorter than After Years if you play all of the chapters.
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Is the PSP version you guys are talking about based on the stupid-hard original Japanese version? Or is it one of the many dumbed down iterations (the ones we all probably played on the SNES back in the day)?
I have played both, and the hard type one is BRUTAL.
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I'm pretty sure the PSP is a port of the NA PS1 release for the difficulty, so yeah, pretty easy. I believe the DS had the only version released in North America with a higher difficulty.
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I'm still playing through the game (FFIV). Sometimes I have to take a break from it because some of these boss battles are insane. I really like this PSP version a lot though. The After Years and Interlude were pretty cool, but were over too quickly. I hope they keep coming out with these enhanced versions. I like em.
The After Years was too quick for you but not he first game? Iv itself is much shorter than After Years if you play all of the chapters.
I guess I don't understand what you mean. The main game is much longer. ???
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The main game is only about as long as the concluding chapters of The After Years. For just doing the main story IV is roughly a 15 hour game and After Years a 30 hour game (half being the last dungeon). All I've ever heard is you really can blow through IV with ease, I believe clearing it in 6 or 7 hours is possible from a scratch start.
I did a lot of extra stuff in IV and pretty much no extra stuff in After Years, but I think I still clocked about the same number of save time on them.
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That's strange. I played The After Years and it was over so quickly I was kind of disappointed. What am I missing?
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No idea. You played all the chapters, right? You don't ahve to play all of the chapters to finish the game, and I suppose the end game might even be faster by skipping them from less campfire scenes.
The seven or eight character chapters each take roughly 2 hours, and the opening chapter maybe twice as long or more. The last dungeon. I don't see how you could blow through that without a lot of grinding beforehand, the 30+ bosses just take time to deal with. I took over 20 hours on that alone and didn't think I was wasting time.
All of that sound right to you?
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How on earth do you make Cid healthy in FFVI, by the way?
I keep giving him the best tasting fish but he just keeps saying "I may not be long for this world" or what ever. It's really frustrating.
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I don't remember exactly except that it takes an annoyingly long time. Just keep doing it while minimizing the amount of screen shifts between meals as that's what does him in.
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Yeah...I've finally got him saying "I'm feeling a lot better" now. So I'm getting there (I took a big break because it was annoying me).
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Yeah I hate that part of the game.
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Got thanked for helping him day to day and now his strength is returning...
I'm pretty sure I've spent more time getting fish than doing anything else in the game.
I mean, I know I could just let him die but I'd feel too bad :(
Edit: YES! HE'S FINALLY BETTER!
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I got that part pretty quickly. :P You just keep getting him the fastest fish.
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Yeah I was coming in here to say that you just have to wait it out. That's my favorite game of all time but that part is definitely a low point. I remember playing it through the first time as a kid and getting to that part and being completely stumped as to what to do next, like "wtf is going on here? Is this the end of the game??" It was almost like you were playing out that part (as Celes I think was her name?) in real time, which actually contributed to the immersiveness of that game that was really ahead of it's time I think.
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I got that part pretty quickly. :P You just keep getting him the fastest fish.
I got that. He just kept on complaining.
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A lot of people argue that the scenes that you see if Cid dies are way better and contribute more to Celes's character development. (SPOILERS: she tries to kill herself) It's been a long time since I played it, but I do remember it driving me crazy to not save him.
To save him, keep catching the fastest fish; if there are no fast fish, go to the world map and then back in. It's better to feed him nothing than to feed him a slow fish. The whole thing can take awhile and is tedious.
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Okay guys, I knew what to do. It just took forever :lol
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I remember playing it through the first time as a kid and getting to that part and being completely stumped as to what to do next, like "wtf is going on here? Is this the end of the game??"
That would have been a heavy ending. :lol
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Is the PSP version you guys are talking about based on the stupid-hard original Japanese version? Or is it one of the many dumbed down iterations (the ones we all probably played on the SNES back in the day)?
I have played both, and the hard type one is BRUTAL.
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Aye. FFIV original Japan version is ridiculous. For those that have played all the other versions, Imagine the sealed cave and those doors that instant kill members. Remember how you have to fix up your members after each door basically? In the original FFIV, after every battle almost, you have to use potions and phoenix downs to replenish your party. At least in the majority of the game until Rydia and Rosa level up much higher.
That said, playing the original game is much better. The little crap that Nintendo of America changes is nice to have back in, such as the secret passages being invisible. I am not a fan of the translation in the one I have, as some dialogue they put in is pop culture dated. However, having things like Cain mentioning his father, or him calling Rosa a whore is good to have back in the game.
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Just got Gau back again and I killed that optional(?) dragon in Mt. Zozo. The one that says "There are 7 dragons left" after the fight.
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https://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/119/1194253p1.html
Square-Enix dropped a bombshell at today's Sony press conference at Tokyo Game Show. With the tenth anniversary of Final Fantasy X coming up, Square thought it would release an HD version of Final Fantasy X.
Details are currently scarce, as the game is still in development. But Final Fantasy X HD will be coming to both PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita.
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Oh my god. Final Fantasy X was already one of the most beautiful games ever, and now it's getting the HD treatment?!?
Bless us, Square. We don't deserve this kind of fanservice (This will get people bitching about the VII remake again, though).
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:metal
Unfortunally, I guess we're still stuck with the worst voice acting in video game history. That was about the only flaw, but it was one that almost destroyed the entire story for me.
It would be awesome if they re-did those, though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSzCwFu1dYY&feature=related
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Final Fantasy X was nowhere near the worst voice acting in video game history. Holy shit are you guys spoiled by the top-notch, cinematic standards of recent games.
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Oh great, we're getting an upgrade to their worst FF!
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Oh great, we're getting an upgrade to their worst FF!
They're not rereleasing XII...?
:neverusethis:
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You're just backwards, I forgive you.
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XII was better than X-2 and XIII so that makes it third worst.
Edit: Corrected myself there
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Maybe we should just keep this bag of worms from opening again. We've probably had this discussion two or three times in this thread already! :lol
...I would say I don't count any side games when ranking the FF games, which is what X-2 is.
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THE EXPERT SPHERE GRID IN THE INTERNATIONAL VERSION OF X MADE IT GOOD
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I said bag, not can. :dunno:
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I didn't have a bag :(
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Guess we can't open it then.
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There's much worse voice acting out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_bx_9QYt7k
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Is Rikku the most popular character from X? I saw numerous Rikku's at DragonCon and perhaps one Seymour, although I think maybe it was just a bad costume. Nothing else from X that I recall.
Seeing a Jade from Beyond Good and Evil was pretty cool, and it was done extremely well.
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There's much worse voice acting out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_bx_9QYt7k
Oh God...Evil Zone :lol
I actually owned that game. FML
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I don't think Rikku's necessarily the most popular. Probably just the easiest to cosplay.
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Not necessarily the easiest...but she is the sexiest. Many cosplay chicks are trying to get attention, and X-2 Rikku especially is a great way to do that.
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Not necessarily the easiest...but she is the sexiest. Many cosplay chicks are trying to get attention, and X-2 Rikku especially is a great way to do that.
I won't lie. When she had that almost-stripping scene in X, I got ridiculously excited. Then it was all LOL SHE HAD CLOTHES ON UNDERNEATH WE TROLL U and I hated everyone.
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Not necessarily the easiest...but she is the sexiest. Many cosplay chicks are trying to get attention, and X-2 Rikku especially is a great way to do that.
Yuna is hotter.
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rinoa.
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Lulu had some tiggo bitties.
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rinoa.
Yes.
Lulu had some tiggo bitties.
Meh.
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X had a great story, characters and visuals, but the gameplay was kinda eh. But then that was exactly the same with XIII which I really enjoyed, so the HD treatment is cool!
XII had the best gameplay of any FF game, but a pretty mediocre story.
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XII's gameplay was fantastic. I had a bigger problem with the characters than I did with the story itself though. Most of your party didn't really have any reason to be there.
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Well, yeah that's true. The story had some very cool elements, but it was still very anti-climactic. Like I got to the end, and I hadn't even realised the end was approaching. The characters were variable as well, but they weren't that exciting.
They seem to be good at only one or the other at the moment, struggling to get both gameplay and character/story right at the same time!
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Really? I found the gameplay of XII was awful. It felt like I was playing a crappy MMO, not like Square has any history designing things like that... :angel:
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The way battles worked in XII was so much more flowing than any other FF game. I'm not really a fan of turn-based games, but I tolerate it in the FF games because of the stories and characters.
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(https://i.imgur.com/K2qCs.gif)
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(https://i.imgur.com/vRiyc.gif)
Really? I found the gameplay of XII was awful. It felt like I was playing a crappy MMO, not like Square has any history designing things like that... :angel:
That's what I liked about it. It incorporated some elements from an MMO but made them really work for a FF type game. It added some really cool twists to the combat (as long as you didn't use gambits too much) made it a lot of fun and a lot more strategic.
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X had a great story, characters and visuals, but the gameplay was kinda eh. But then that was exactly the same with XIII which I really enjoyed, so the HD treatment is cool!
Wow, I'd say the gameplay (battles) were the best part of both of those games. Well besides the pretty graphics of course. :)
Really? I found the gameplay of XII was awful. It felt like I was playing a crappy MMO, not like Square has any history designing things like that... :angel:
I thought XII's gameplay was a nice change of pace and loved all the sidequests and exploration, but I do like turn-based battles more. Shame the game's story was boring (terrible pacing).
Oh and Tifa is clearly the hottest FF chick
(https://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/3/3e/Tifa_Hot-.jpg)
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Tifa is way hotter in Final Fantasy: Advent Children but I'd have to agree she is one of my favorites.
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X had a great story, characters and visuals, but the gameplay was kinda eh. But then that was exactly the same with XIII which I really enjoyed, so the HD treatment is cool!
X had Tidus, automatically bringing down the quality of the characters to the point that it has the worst characters of any game ever.
No not really, but Tidus is still my least favourite Final Fantasy character.
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X had a great story, characters and visuals, but the gameplay was kinda eh. But then that was exactly the same with XIII which I really enjoyed, so the HD treatment is cool!
X had Tidus, automatically bringing down the quality of the characters to the point that it has the worst characters of any game ever.
No not really, but Tidus is still my least favourite Final Fantasy character.
Yuna and Seymour fail too. Actually Auron was the only character I liked really.
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X had a great story, characters and visuals, but the gameplay was kinda eh. But then that was exactly the same with XIII which I really enjoyed, so the HD treatment is cool!
X had Tidus, automatically bringing down the quality of the characters to the point that it has the worst characters of any game ever.
No not really, but Tidus is still my least favourite Final Fantasy character.
Vaan from XII is the worst ever. By far.
But XII is by far the better game. The only reason I kept playing X was for the story, which was admittedly great. Unfortunately, the gameplay was bad. Every time I think I feel like I want to play it again, I put it in and quickly lose the desire to do so (what she said, etc). It's just not that fun compared to practically every other FF game IMO.
-J
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I want a well done FF VI remake for 3DS. I'd buy the system in a second if it was announced ;D
It may be better to redo the game on a next gen console, though. Man I can't even imagine how epic it would be :omg:
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I want a well done FF VI remake for 3DS. I'd buy the system in a second if it was announced ;D
It may be better to redo the game on a next gen console, though. Man I can't even imagine how epic it would be :omg:
Not until they finally give FFVII the HD remake it rightfully deserves. I really think they're testing the waters here with the HD remakes, so that when they do VII they'll have learned a lot from doing X, and the process will be easier.
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Vaan from XII is the worst ever. By far.
Never understood this, Vaan is one of my favourite leads. I played the sequel first, though, so knowing where they ended up and enjoying that game may have influenced my opinion. Admit it, though, if he didn't do that thing with his arms over his head you'd love him! :p
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My only problem with Vann is that until the late posts of the game he doesn't really contribute much to the story.
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Vaan allows us really see into Dalmasca, though, or even more enter the viewpoint of the homeland hating the hero, Basch. It appealed to me, playing the outside view becoming connected to the protagonists, eventually becoming an important character. I thought he was very good for world building, as well, the early game connected us to Dalmasca and developed a sense of what the place was. More than in most of the other games, in XII it felt like home was more than just a place for free sleep.
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///have dreams
where in which i jerk off in BALAMB GARDEN (in the TRAINING CENTER to the EAST) //upskirt SeeD student chick w/long legs//
tell quistis to go fuck herself/die never level her up past lvl 18 special moves complete bullshit and useless after acquiring IFRIT >>>use SHIVA on IFRIT try not to whack off to shiva's ice-tits
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so this is the Final Fantasy thread
I've been playing Final Fantasy IV (DS version) lately and am currently farming for all the different coloured tails.
fuck that shit SO HARD
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Screw you Chris, Quistis is hot.
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no fuck you dude// quistis uses move "useless bullshit tentacles" for 11 DAMAGE piece of shit huge anime vagina bitch
on the OTHER HAND
rinoa [profile: sexy hot bitch w/ character + stuff 2 fight 4] picks UP and THROWS her FUCKING DOG
>>jerk off to rinoa sweating in bed//hope mom does not walk in oh god rinoa she is taking those blue clothes off so slowly and that look in her eye she is something a woman beyond you you must hide from her eyes how much of a child you really are must look strong must have cou
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Quistis > Rinoa
Yes.
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Tough call between VI, VII and X for me. Ultimately went with VII because I enjoyed the extras / story the most, and Vincent's really cool, but getting the Gold Chocobo was such a bitch. VI was pretty much amazing all around and had that son of a submariner Kefka, and the recurring Ultros battles which were memorable. X had an awesome story, characters, and Sin was just epic.
As for some others, the characters of XII kinda ruined the game for me (hated Vaan), and I never ended up finishing it, XIII was too watered down, although I didn't mind the battle system. Right now I'm playing through the first Tactics for the first time and really enjoying it so far, also waiting for more news on Versus XIII, as that is looking amazing so far.
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whoa whoa whoa why didn't viii or ix enter into your calculations, MISTER
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I've been very slowly working my way through VIII, it's been awhile since I last played and I don't even remember where I am in it right now. IX I actually haven't tried, but I hear good things about it, so maybe someday I'll check it out. I heard Tactics is about 50 hours long on average so that's gonna keep me busy for awhile yet :P
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Play IX. It's way better than VIII
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I've been very slowly working my way through VIII, it's been awhile since I last played and I don't even remember where I am in it right now. IX I actually haven't tried, but I hear good things about it, so maybe someday I'll check it out. I heard Tactics is about 50 hours long on average so that's gonna keep me busy for awhile yet :P
you playing the original tactics, or the advance series?
the advance series are by far my favourite FF games. so much win
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Starting with the original and loving it so far. I played the first Advance back when it came out, but got to some boss and kept getting utterly destroyed. Then Golden Sun 1 & 2 distracted me and I eventually forgot about Tactics Advance. I do plan on playing it again eventually though as it was indeed awesome. Would love to see a new HD Tactics made for PS3 but that would never happen.
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omg, golden sun
best fucking games on the planet, imo
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Agreed!
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Play IX. It's way better than VIII
This.
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IX is a poo puddle.
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It's not your face
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There are lots of things IX isn't, including good.
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It's better than your face
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My face is a pretty terrible video game, so that's not saying much.
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IX is like the best final fantasy game
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Your face isn't saying much
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It isn't. I type with my hands, not my face.
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I can't agree that IX is the best FF, as that title belongs to VI, but it is awesome and it has the best battle music fo sho.
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I like IX but wasn't really crazy about it or anything. VIII is better.
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VIII is finding a new enemy and keeping it alive until sucked dry of magic balls. It's like an addicting little thing you hate but can't stop doing. :lol
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The first time I ever played VIII I went through the whole game just spamming GFs, never even bothered with draw. I almost beat the game that way but got stuck in the last area because everything gets disabled. I also had trouble with the fight where you have to not murder Rinoa.
I ended up restarting and playing it for reals.
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I like IX but wasn't really crazy about it or anything. VIII is better.
wat
no
VIII has the best music, but it's a pretty mediocre game.
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If by mediocre you mean the greatest game ever made then yes.
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The first and second time I played VIII, I thought: "Man, the story in this game is shit."
Also: "Man, this junctioning system is shit and easy to cheat".
Edit: Also, "Man, this stupid garden is the worst airship in any FF game ever"
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I've never played VIII. It always looked kind of lame to me. Sounds like I'm not missing much.
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viii is a pretty cool game, it is very unique i would say, or at least was at the time it came out
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IX is a lot better than VIII. Not that VIII is bad.
It's funny, I played through most of VIII before I realized I could boost the Guardian Forces' attack power by pressing the square button during their really long animations. Also, the game glitched badly during a few key battles, including the final one. That battle was an ordeal for me.
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top 3
VII
X
IV
bottom 3
V
VI
VIII
Everything else is just OK I guess.
Tactics is also fantastic, though not a "true" FF.
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I'm glad you put IV in the list of top 3!
such a great game
sadly, the only main series games I've played are the III and IV DS remakes.
Otherwise I've played FFTA, FFTA2 and XII: Revenant Wings (is that a main series game?)
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XII: RW is not a main series game. If it isn't a numbered game with no subtitle it's a side game. However, I really thought they did a great job with XII: RW.
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top 3
VII
X
IV
bottom 3
V
VI
VIII
These are weird lists.
I didn't really enjoy RW, to be honest. It was okay, I guess. Got bored of it pretty quickly though.
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It's all about the Super NES era FF games for me, so nothing touches IV and VI (which I of course knew as II and III, being 'Merican and all). I also enjoy V because of this. I got X when I got a PS2 and it was awesome, then I went back and got VII and IX since I missed them when they originally came out because I was too busy being drunk in high school and college. You guys will probably shit yourselves over this but I've never gotten more than halfway through VII. By the time I got it I already had IX and X to enjoy so it sort of fell by the wayside. I know it's sacred to most of you but I frankly never saw what the big deal was. :blush
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VII is probably loved the most from a group perspective, but the majority of fans don't even think it's the best game in the series, much less worship it.
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It's all about the Super NES era FF games for me, so nothing touches IV and VI (which I of course knew as II and III, being 'Merican and all). I also enjoy V because of this. I got X when I got a PS2 and it was awesome, then I went back and got VII and IX since I missed them when they originally came out because I was too busy being drunk in high school and college. You guys will probably shit yourselves over this but I've never gotten more than halfway through VII. By the time I got it I already had IX and X to enjoy so it sort of fell by the wayside. I know it's sacred to most of you but I frankly never saw what the big deal was. :blush
I got to the part where you leave the big starting city then I kinda lost interest.
I should prolly have another go at VII sometime, but meh.
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You should. The first disc is pretty boring but it gets good after that.
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top 3
VII
X
IV
bottom 3
V
VI
VIII
Everything else is just OK I guess.
Joke post?
-J
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No. I tried getting into 6 a lot but it didn't work and 8 is just horrible.
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It's all about the Super NES era FF games for me, so nothing touches IV and VI (which I of course knew as II and III, being 'Merican and all). I also enjoy V because of this. I got X when I got a PS2 and it was awesome, then I went back and got VII and IX since I missed them when they originally came out because I was too busy being drunk in high school and college. You guys will probably shit yourselves over this but I've never gotten more than halfway through VII. By the time I got it I already had IX and X to enjoy so it sort of fell by the wayside. I know it's sacred to most of you but I frankly never saw what the big deal was. :blush
I'll go ahead and be more controversial and say that I've never honestly gotten into any of the SNES games, but I think all 3 PS1 titles, and X are masterpieces.
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You should. The first disc is pretty boring but it gets good after that.
The first disc is worse than boring, unfortunately. Some very annoying stuff on it, but yes, VII is a strong on the second half of the game, or the last 2 discs.
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I don't get why any of you are thinking Perpetual Change's list is a joke. The only odd thing he listed is VI near the bottom, but we all probably have some uncommon opinion.
Off the cuff...
Surprising in top 3: II, III, V, maybe XIII
Surprising in bottom 3: IV, VI, VII
I, VIII, IX, X, and XII draw a lot more disagreement among fans. Seeing them really high or really low just isn't unusual.
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No. I tried getting into 6 a lot but it didn't work and 8 is just horrible.
I liked VIII all right, but it's definitely not one of the better FF games so I'm with you there. And I know lots of people think VII and X are the best. What's surprising to me is that you rank IV near the top and VI near the bottom. Those two games are comparable, and VI is far, far superior to IV in every single way IMO. Most people who don't get into VI don't do so because they grew up post-SNES era and can't get into a lot of older games in general.
I don't get why any of you are thinking Perpetual Change's list is a joke. The only odd thing he listed is VI near the bottom, but we all probably have some uncommon opinion.
Off the cuff...
Surprising in top 3: II, III, V, maybe XIII
Surprising in bottom 3: IV, VI, VII
I, VIII, IX, X, and XII draw a lot more disagreement among fans. Seeing them really high or really low just isn't unusual.
Yeah I agree with that assessment. Personally, I think V is highly underrated; garbage story but some of the best gameplay in the series I think. Still wouldn't make my top 3 though. And I grew up playing IV, but it would be damn near my bottom 3, if not a part of it.
-J
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Final Fantasy 7
Zelda Twilight Princess
Every Game Ever Made
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You're all horrible people. FFVIII > all games ever
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No. I tried getting into 6 a lot but it didn't work and 8 is just horrible.
I liked VIII all right, but it's definitely not one of the better FF games so I'm with you there. And I know lots of people think VII and X are the best. What's surprising to me is that you rank IV near the top and VI near the bottom. Those two games are comparable, and VI is far, far superior to IV in every single way IMO. Most people who don't get into VI don't do so because they grew up post-SNES era and can't get into a lot of older games in general.
Yeah, but 4 had some really cool characters and whatnot, with a decent story. I never really liked any of the characters in 6 or their stories though. I would love to try and get into it again one day though.
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You're all horrible people. FFVIII > all games ever
Final Fantasy 8 = :angry:
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Next on my list, after I'm done with Tactics is going to be the DS version of IV. Although I haven't played it before, the boss music in that is too awesome to pass up, which I heard during the Culex fight in Mario RPG.
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Next on my list, after I'm done with Tactics is going to be the DS version of IV. Although I haven't played it before, the boss music in that is too awesome to pass up, which I heard during the Culex fight in Mario RPG.
I just finished IV and started FFTA2
these games are simply awesome. have fun!
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Do you have a PSP? You can get IV, IV: After Years, and an extra Interlude all in one package. The DS version of IV is probably better, but it doesn't come with everything else.
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Don't have a PSP, just looked up a video of that version though, I definately prefer the graphics of that one. Either way, I'm excited to finally play it
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I much preferred the shiny, polished sprites of the PSP version to the sometimes jagged DS version.
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No. I tried getting into 6 a lot but it didn't work and 8 is just horrible.
I liked VIII all right, but it's definitely not one of the better FF games so I'm with you there. And I know lots of people think VII and X are the best. What's surprising to me is that you rank IV near the top and VI near the bottom. Those two games are comparable, and VI is far, far superior to IV in every single way IMO. Most people who don't get into VI don't do so because they grew up post-SNES era and can't get into a lot of older games in general.
Yeah, but 4 had some really cool characters and whatnot, with a decent story. I never really liked any of the characters in 6 or their stories though. I would love to try and get into it again one day though.
I agree. While FFVI is better is most aspects, I enjoy the story and characters much more in FFIV. Yes, Kefka is a better villian than Zemus/Goblez. But the main character in FFIV is more driven I feel.
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No. I tried getting into 6 a lot but it didn't work and 8 is just horrible.
I liked VIII all right, but it's definitely not one of the better FF games so I'm with you there. And I know lots of people think VII and X are the best. What's surprising to me is that you rank IV near the top and VI near the bottom. Those two games are comparable, and VI is far, far superior to IV in every single way IMO. Most people who don't get into VI don't do so because they grew up post-SNES era and can't get into a lot of older games in general.
Yeah, but 4 had some really cool characters and whatnot, with a decent story. I never really liked any of the characters in 6 or their stories though. I would love to try and get into it again one day though.
I agree. While FFVI is better is most aspects, I enjoy the story and characters much more in FFIV. Yes, Kefka is a better villian than Zemus/Goblez. But the main character in FFIV is more driven I feel.
Now this I don't get at all. IV has a couple likable characters I guess, but it's story is probably the worst aspect of it. It's so heavy handed and it abuses every cringe-worthy plot cliche in the book, and don't get me started on all 28,735 characters who "sacrifice" themselves in various (usually totally unnecessary) ways only to appear just fine as NPCs later in the game. :lol
Conversely, IMO VI has one of the best stories and character casts in the series with some great subtle character development and plot elements that are interesting and unique. It's weird because I have feelings of nostalgia for both games, and I do still think IV is decent, but time has not been kind to it as it has to VI, so to me it's really no contest.
Different strokes, I guess. But my strokes are better! :biggrin:
-J
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and don't get me started on all 28,735 characters who "sacrifice" themselves in various (usually totally unnecessary) ways only to appear just fine as NPCs later in the game. :lol
Don't be ridiculous.
It was 28,732 characters.
Anyway, I prefer VI's story and cast to IV's. VI has such a great ensemble cast with cool backstories and whatnot.
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Yeah, the random characters who just come around to sacrifice themselves for you are pretty lame. But Cecil, Kain, Rosa, and Ryda are great. I cared about them much more than any of the characters in 6.
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Im just about done with Tactics and man, what a game. Seriously some epic shit is going down in it, and the music that plays whenever you fight one of the Zodiac Stone bosses really gets the nerves going. The story's a bit hard to follow at times but the gameplay/battle system/and music are all amazing. I would even rank this above VI at the moment, even though it's not one of the main series' games, and is completely different from them.
I'm finding myself a lot more interested in finishing Tactics, than I was when I was nearing the end of VI, where at the end I felt it was dragging on a bit with finding all the characters again, and realising that whoops I'm forced to use 3 groups of characters to get to Kefka, better spend 6 hours training up the characters I hardly used.
On the topic of characters, however: I would say that Auron from X could very well be my favourite from the series so far.
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Gah, Double post....
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Tactics is amazing. Are you playing the PSP version? That one is really good, because they fixed the translation.
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I'm playing the PS1 version, and yeah the translation in that one isn't the greatest, and makes for some quirky sentences.
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I'm playing the PS1 version, and yeah the translation in that one isn't the greatest, and makes for some quirky sentences.
Yeah, the plot of the PS1 is almost not-understandable. The new translation is so much better. Playing the PS1 version, I never understood why certain things happen, like what you'll see in the ending. I also never really got the sense that Delita could have been a good guy, but decided to be a self-serving prick instead. In the PSP version, character's personalities really come much more to life.
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Is there any way to the play the PSP version if you don't have a PSP? Like, on the PS3 or something.
Perhaps it's going to work on the upcoming PS Vita?
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Is there any way to the play the PSP version if you don't have a PSP? Like, on the PS3 or something.
Perhaps it's going to work on the upcoming PS Vita?
I'm not sure if that's possible, but would be cool. I just watched some videos of the PSP War of Lions, looks amazing, especially the cutscenes. Too bad I didn't start with that one :-\
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Yeah, the random characters who just come around to sacrifice themselves for you are pretty lame. But Cecil, Kain, Rosa, and Ryda are great. I cared about them much more than any of the characters in 6.
I agree with this in reply to your post J.
The story is all is more fledged out better in FFVI. And the roster of characters is overall more deep. But i only really empathasize with Cyan. I feel Cecils quest and redemption, Rydias orphanage, capture, and return, and Cains crossing is more powerful than Terras story, Edgars, Sabins or Lockes. Sure, a Setzer is more compelling than Fusoya and Cid. But how do gogo, umaro and Gau hold up to Tellah and Edward?
The story may be better written, but the character motivations have always been too jumbled for me in FFVI.
Also, I consider myself more a traditional RPG fan. When they came out, I played FFI, Dragons Quest 1-4, and dabbled in D&D. Those games had inflexible character classes. Therefore, not every character could become master magicians. This has not really been the case in the games I have played FFVI and beyond (FFIX being an exception).
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I'm playing the PS1 version, and yeah the translation in that one isn't the greatest, and makes for some quirky sentences.
Yeah, the plot of the PS1 is almost not-understandable. The new translation is so much better. Playing the PS1 version, I never understood why certain things happen, like what you'll see in the ending. I also never really got the sense that Delita could have been a good guy, but decided to be a self-serving prick instead. In the PSP version, character's personalities really come much more to life.
Just finished it, really amazing game. If anyone has yet to play this, I highly recommend the PSP version, since the story and characters will be a lot more coherent. I'll not comment on the story so as not to ruin it for anyone that still wants to play it, but final thoughts still stand on ranking it higher than VI, when not considering just the main series, yet VII is still my favourite. Onto IV next ;D
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Also, I consider myself more a traditional RPG fan. When they came out, I played FFI, Dragons Quest 1-4, and dabbled in D&D. Those games had inflexible character classes. Therefore, not every character could become master magicians. This has not really been the case in the games I have played FFVI and beyond (FFIX being an exception).
That's a fair point. Not that I think one is better than the other, but gameplay-wise, the further you get in VI, the more blended together the characters become functionally, as they all start to learn the strongest magic. Some of their special skills set them apart, but beyond that, the only real differences between the characters in terms of use in battle are dictated by equipment.
Personally, I can't decide if I prefer games where the characters are locked into certain roles, or where you can make them do whatever you want. I think both have been done well before.
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Yeah the PSP translation is waaaaaaaaay better than the PS1 version.
Never been a big fan of IV, probably the most boring FF for me.
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Also, I consider myself more a traditional RPG fan. When they came out, I played FFI, Dragons Quest 1-4, and dabbled in D&D. Those games had inflexible character classes. Therefore, not every character could become master magicians. This has not really been the case in the games I have played FFVI and beyond (FFIX being an exception).
That's a fair point. Not that I think one is better than the other, but gameplay-wise, the further you get in VI, the more blended together the characters become functionally, as they all start to learn the strongest magic. Some of their special skills set them apart, but beyond that, the only real differences between the characters in terms of use in battle are dictated by equipment.
Personally, I can't decide if I prefer games where the characters are locked into certain roles, or where you can make them do whatever you want. I think both have been done well before.
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Agreed there. My favorite FF (X) was flexible, so it really depends on the game, and I think we both agree on that.
However, FFX-2 was flexible, but even if it was inflexible, I do not think it could have saved that game for me personally. :)
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Just finished it, really amazing game. If anyone has yet to play this, I highly recommend the PSP version, since the story and characters will be a lot more coherent. I'll not comment on the story so as not to ruin it for anyone that still wants to play it, but final thoughts still stand on ranking it higher than VI, when not considering just the main series, yet VII is still my favourite. Onto IV next ;D
:tup
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Agreed there. My favorite FF (X) was flexible, so it really depends on the game, and I think we both agree on that.
However, FFX-2 was flexible, but even if it was inflexible, I do not think it could have saved that game for me personally. :)
X was not flexible at all unless you had the international version and played on expert, or something like that. For all the seeming complexity in growing characters, in the version many of us played there was no significant choice involved until it was so late in the game it didn't matter.
...and X-2 was a better game with a worse story. X-2 saved itself by allowing you to pick and choose where to go, it was very easy to skip some awful threads, so you only really had to deal with a few really bad spots. The two games are roughly on par in my book, I enjoyed them both, at least.
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I thought X-2 was overly easy.
Particularly if you jammed a tooth pick in the left analogue stick, put some tape on the X button and made one of them a healer :neverusethis:
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Agreed there. My favorite FF (X) was flexible, so it really depends on the game, and I think we both agree on that.
However, FFX-2 was flexible, but even if it was inflexible, I do not think it could have saved that game for me personally. :)
X was not flexible at all unless you had the international version and played on expert, or something like that. For all the seeming complexity in growing characters, in the version many of us played there was no significant choice involved until it was so late in the game it didn't matter.
In the context of FFIV and FFI, I recall FFX being flexible. Not like FFVIII, but not locked abilities due to the spheres or whatever. It has been 8 years since I played FFX, and I will not be playing it any time soon. So I honestly may bot remember fully.
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X allowed you to unlock abilities, but mostly your choices for each character were on a straight path with some short branches to quality advances. It could have been automated and you'd hardly notice a difference. Despite the illusion of complexity the characters were fixed classes.
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X allowed you to unlock abilities, but mostly your choices for each character were on a straight path with some short branches to quality advances. It could have been automated and you'd hardly notice a difference. Despite the illusion of complexity the characters were fixed classes.
Which I liked, honestly. Though, yeah, have classes does kinda negate the sphere-grid. Although some characters where relatively opened, and the fact you could power level out of one class and into someone else's was always cool.
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Usually by the time I'm done with FFX, all of my characters hit for 99999 damage with a physical attack, including Yuna and Lulu. The characters definitely open up a bit once you're done with 'their' sphere grid.
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By the time you can really make another class worth it you're powered up more than enough for the game, if I remember.
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Not for Nemesis, and certainly not for the Dark Aeons or Penance in the International version.
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gonna start a playthrough of FFIX soon, i haven't really REALLY played it in a few years, but i got invited onto this zine that the cartoonist Zac Gorman is putting out (you might know his .gif zelda comics) that is focused on FFIX inspired art so i am having a playthrough for inspiration!!
i think i may do an illustration of Burmecia because that place is beautiful
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I just finished the first disc of IX, I'm more interested in it than I have been with VIII, probably mainly due to the battle system. It's a pretty quirky game so far, and my only major gripe with it is that the majority of disc 1 was mostly cutscenes / talking. That's all well and good, but I still don't feel like I'm really into it yet.
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Disc 1 of FFIX isn't that great, but from here on out it's awesome as hell.
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Back to the Sphere Grid talk, what annoyed me the most was when you used one of the uber power leveling tricks and then had to tediously move your character around the grid 255 spaces, picking up all the bonuses :lol
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i have to say that ultimately the way to get skills and stuff in FFXII was the most annoying of all
also i was just remembering how i played VIII a while back and opened up my original save from when i was in like elementary school and realized that i beat that game without ever upgrading my weapons or junctioning magic to weapons. but in my defense getting new weapons was a pain in the dick
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The license board was great. It's open, for one, but I loved the search aspect of that. You knew the general vicinity of something you might want, now or later, so it wasn't unreasonable.
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I gotta say this is one of my favourite VGMs ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXT93rK33oo
So nostalgic for me. I remember this was the first VGM ever that jumped out to me and I thought was really awesome, when I was only like 8 years old playing FF8.
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VIII definitely has my favorite soundtrack.
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Oh cool, we're posting music. Freya's Theme from FFIX is goosebump material.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6yqiVOHT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6yqiVOHT0)
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i made this for an upcoming zine with ffix illustrations and comics please shoot me in the goddamn head/skull region please
(https://feelafraidcomic.com/scraps/grand-dragon.png)
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:rollin wow, awesome work! That's pretty much exactly how that went down too
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:lol
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Chris, that is brilliant. :lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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So, it looks like X is getting an HD remake for Vita and PS3 :metal.
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I recently went through FF8 again, and I've realized that the game is complete bullshit. Like, more than is average for a FF game. So many plot elements and enemies that are just the stupidest, random crap ever. Yeah the terminal in the beginning of the game explains that GFs make you lose your memory, but all of these kids who grew at the orphanage together manage to run into each other again later in life. And the one that remembers everyone conveniently doesn't say anything until when the plot-point is brought up. The stupid slug monster under the garden; I don't think you even tell Cid that you killed the damn thing. The stupid final boss that wants to do some stupid time crap because _____________.
I've read so many fan theories about the ending and the unbelievable way people act; even simple things like how Rinoa approaches Squall at the ball even though she was there on resistance business and had the hots for Seifer. I read God knows where that it'd make sense for her to approach him because, from her perspective, he was a sad military guy with a fresh scare off on his own at a party. The first thing she says to him is that he's best looking guy there; reassuring him that his scar doesn't make him an ugly fuck. Or the "Ultimecia is Rinoa in the future who went bad/crazy because ________" theory. Or the "Squall died at the end of disk 1" theory.
And before I replayed the game I believed those things might actually be intended interpretations of the game because the game wasn't fresh in my mind and I was stupid. Now I absolutely can not believe that the people who wrote this game intended one bit of these theories; all of which that I've read would make the story infinitely better if they were intended, as sad as that is once you think about it. Especially once I stop and consider the crap they've put out since.
Now I'm debating if I want to inevitably ruin FF7 forever by playing it again.
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FFVII is not ruined by playing it again, trust me.
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I've gone fully through FF VII three times over the past 10 years and it was just as excellent each time.
On the other hand
With FF VIII, even though I loved it when it first came out, when I went through it again a few years ago, It really didn't hold up that well. Disc 3 and 4 went way off the rails.
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Don't care. VIII is still my favorite FF.
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Don't care. VIII is still my favorite FF.
Finally someone who agrees! o/
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OK, I played the beginning of FFVI. Hoping to have a full day or two on vacation to enjoy it. With the PSP I can pause anytime, though, so we'll see how I progress at about 30 minutes every day or two.
the opening video and intro to Terra immediately made me think VII is eerily similar to this game. I'm curious if that feeling holds.
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I found out today that the American version of FFX doesn't have the extract ability sphere ability...
That must make the mi'ihen highroad SO ANNOYING
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Traveling anywhere in X is annoying. Walk in straight line, get random encounters.
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Cry some more.
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Ok. I hated realizing I wasn't going to make it to the next safe point and having to turn around. Nothing like running the same straight line multiple times!
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Why would that ever happen?
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The enemies were stronger than me, probably.
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Oh...lol
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holy crap @ that Zidane comic :rollin
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FFVII is not ruined by playing it again, trust me.
Haven't gotten around to replaying it yet (that'll probably be the next game my girlfriend and I play together once we finish Chrono Cross), but while thinking about how rad FF7 was I realized how stupid it is.
So you to go the temple of the ancients or whatever to get the black materia. You get it awesome. Then Sephiroth shows up, Cloud loses his shit, gives Sephiroth the Black Materia, and Cloud tries to murder Aeris.
Ok. That's understandable. We didn't know that Cloud could be mind controlled like that, but now we do. Personally I'd think that's a pretty good reason to doubt anything he does and says from now on, but I guess they're trusting and all so that's cool.
But then we get back the black materia. We give it to someone other than Cloud so that a repeat of the temple of ancients doesn't happen again. Stuff happens. We end up heading to the northern crater it is. At least one member of your party saw Sephiroth talk to Cloud recently, which made him start acting weird. He asks for the Black Materia back, while acting obviously abnormal, the person holding the black materia specifically asks Cloud if he's alright because he's not acting normal, and they still give it to Cloud anyway. Then he gives it to Sephiroth. Again.
WHAT THE HELL
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So XIII-2 is out in Japan...two months left for everyone else.
AND MAYBE WE'LL GET A RELEASE DATE FOR VS XIII SOON THAT WOULD BE COOL
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THEY SHOULD JUST GIVE US VERSUS XIII NOW
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Yeah, then Nomura can get back to working on something awesome like KH3 :P
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I hate you forever
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FFVII is not ruined by playing it again, trust me.
Haven't gotten around to replaying it yet (that'll probably be the next game my girlfriend and I play together once we finish Chrono Cross), but while thinking about how rad FF7 was I realized how stupid it is.
So you to go the temple of the ancients or whatever to get the black materia. You get it awesome. Then Sephiroth shows up, Cloud loses his shit, gives Sephiroth the Black Materia, and Cloud tries to murder Aeris.
Ok. That's understandable. We didn't know that Cloud could be mind controlled like that, but now we do. Personally I'd think that's a pretty good reason to doubt anything he does and says from now on, but I guess they're trusting and all so that's cool.
But then we get back the black materia. We give it to someone other than Cloud so that a repeat of the temple of ancients doesn't happen again. Stuff happens. We end up heading to the northern crater it is. At least one member of your party saw Sephiroth talk to Cloud recently, which made him start acting weird. He asks for the Black Materia back, while acting obviously abnormal, the person holding the black materia specifically asks Cloud if he's alright because he's not acting normal, and they still give it to Cloud anyway. Then he gives it to Sephiroth. Again.
WHAT THE HELL
OMG!?91, HEROTIC! FFVII is the shootz, the story can has no holes! I played no otter FF, but its perfect game forever!!1!s
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A friend of mine from another forum is doing a runthrough of all the main series games (omitting XI and XIV and replacing them with X-2 and XIII-2) as a new year's resolution, and I think I'm going to do it too. His rules were basically: No guides, no save states, emulators allowed, must kill final boss to advance to the next one, stuff like that. If anybody else feels like being as deranged as we are, I think it'd be cool to talk about it on DTF (sort of like that Bible in a Year thread in P/R a while back). I'm pretty sure we could just use this thread, but maybe an extra thread would be warranted. Thoughts?
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Don't own all of the games. Don't think I'd want to go through them all at once even if I did.
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Yeah, those early games (I through III) would be rough.
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Especially II. Ugh. I hate that game.
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I actually liked II. I played the GBA Dawn of Souls version.
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II is my favourite Final Fantasy, and still the only one I've played more than once. GBA and PSP versions.
III for the DS is pretty good, too. You have to use the party talk feature regularly to really get decent character development, but it's a nice entry into the series.
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Well shit, Cid died before I even found a fishing hole.
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Just dropping by to say Folmarv from Final Fantasy Tactics looks like Charlie Sheen.
(https://quefemenino.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Charlie-Sheen.jpg)
(https://images.wikia.com/villains/images/f/f1/Vormav.gif)
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Just finished VI.
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My main criticism is that the early game felt a little bit like a random plot, and Ultros was maybe used once or twice too much. Otherwise, the characters keep it down from the top, I felt less emotional connection to my favourite characters than in any of the other games I have in my top 6. Great game, though, once you hit WoR everything was clicking beautifully.
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Today, I have begun playing FF4.
I've barely begun, but I've had infinitely more fun thus far than I have had attempting to play FF1
Update: Just burnt that village down and got quaked to some random place. Still having loads of fun.
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Ultros is hilarious. Even just his face is funny.
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Yeah, Ultros is awesome. :lol
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Today, I have begun playing FF4.
I've barely begun, but I've had infinitely more fun thus far than I have had attempting to play FF1
Update: Just burnt that village down and got quaked to some random place. Still having loads of fun.
I really like FF4. It was my introduction to JRPG's so it holds a special place in the empty spot where my heart should be.
The DS version is fucking brutal though. Actually, SNES version I remember being really hard too.
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I'm now in the town where all those mages are.
Still having a blast.
I'm playing the US SNES version (AKA FFII) so it's WAY easier than FFI.
Question: Are the real FFII and FFIII an improvement over FFI?
How about the various remakes of FFI?
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Dawn of Sould is a nice way to go, although the PSP version of 2 is superior to that one. The additions add nice puzzle levels and backstory to the world.
There are thoughts on II and III just a few posts above.
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Question: Are the real FFII and FFIII an improvement over FFI?
Everything's an improvement over FFI. That game sucks. It may have been interesting or important 'back in the day' but now it's just a slogging, annoying and pointless grindfest.
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I've become a paladin and am about to travel the Serpent Road.
How far in the game am I?
Update: The twins are now statues. I should be feeling sorry for them, but honesty, they were so useless that 90% of the time they were with me, they were knocked out, so I don't really miss them.
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^ Still got a lot to go yet.
I'm playing through FF I on Dawn of Souls, just for the hell of it. And yeah.... Total grind fest. About level 20 and just got the Mystical Key and spent like 20,000 gil on spells and gear. Can't wait to see how much I have to spend in the next town. I don't know if I'll play through the whole game, depends on how long it is, but so far I'm not really enjoying it. Is II even worth playing if the first seems this bad?
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Never played 2, because trying to play I just made me give up on the first 3 and skip to 4.
And if you think the version you're playing is a hackfest, try the NES version.
Or better yet, don't.
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II is character oriented, a far better game than I. Some people hate the leveling system, although I think it is one of the highlights if you don't abuse it.
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The Dawn of Souls version of I was too easy, I thought. I never beat the NES version though, but I did play a good amount of it. Not a bad game, since I somewhat enjoy level grinding.
I like II better because it actually has characters, and I had no issues with the much-hated leveling system. I also like III (the DS version), but for some reason I can't get myself to finish it. One day...
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OK, I breezed through V(thankfully). I'm writing spoilers to V from here out.
Had to be the single most callous entry into the series, at least story and character wise. At one point, to advance the story, you get a ship, travel across the ocean just to crash it, find a chocobo, fly the bird back to the people that gave you the ship. They don't care and tell you what you needed was there anyways.
The first world felt like I was playing a FF parody. You're changing mode of travel so often they partitioned the world in a multitude of different ways, which gave a real odd feeling to the world. Get a ship, lose it, get a dragon, lose it, get a chocobo, lose it, get a ship, crash it, get a chocobo, abandon it... or something. The second world was a little better, but the plot in both was still basically the group wanders with no clue what to do while some bizarre event helps them. If the game had ended at the second world it might have been a better game, by the time the third comes you just went from end game feeling to having to complete a bunch of random dungeons for no reason. ...and the final dungeon was awfull, if you want the third part of the game to matter to me you have to make me care about the world. The whole third world was just so blah.
The characters, no development, and the frequent snarkiness just made the group seem absurd. The only thing I learned about Reina is that she's a suicidal princess. The Galuf to Krile switch was silly, and Krile got no development until after the game finished(although I guess the ending varies depending on the final fight. The only significant revelations were in lineage, which was often heavily implied from the start. Bartz, great, they couldn't develop him, but they gave him a scene of him almost falling off a roof as a kid to show why he's afraid of heights. Seriously, you finally do something not about his father and we get that?
The job system is nice, though, and I rather like the battle system present in III(DS)-VI. I did basically enjoy the game, but the story got in the way. Despite how much I heard about grinding, I really didn't have to. The jobs were set up nicely that it was more about having the right jobs (after the first world, anyways). As for the last few bosses, thank the Crystals for $toss.
The thing is, III(DS) is most similar to V, and they smoothed out a lot of the faults for that version. If you have the choice, III(DS) is a far better option. V goes down as one of the 3 FF's I'm more likely to rant about.
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Also, the PS1Classic version is really buggy on the PSP. Not going to downgrade it for that, but it was annoying. Saving was a real pain, the game even froze on me a couple of times while trying to save.
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I also like III (the DS version), but for some reason I can't get myself to finish it. One day...
Just one piece of advice. When you get to the point of no return. Turn around, exit the dungeon, and save. Really wish they added a save point there. The final sequence of III is one of the most memorable endings to Final Fantasy games. If you've played Dissidia you somewhat know what's coming.
III, VI, and maybe VII were the three most memorable. Yuffie mildly degraded Sephiroth for me, her ultimate pretty much allowed her to single handedly take him out with ease. That was cool in its own way but made Sephiroth seem like a complete chump of a boss. :lol
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I have to say that I like V a lot (the GBA version). The job system is fun, and I don't demand games to have a totally unique story with lots of character development as long as the gameplay is entertaining. Didn't beat the last boss, though, because I seem to remember him being a pain in the ass. That's the scariest looking tree I've ever seen. :o
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I had 2 samurai's with white magic, a white mage with $toss, and a time mage with $toss. Holy the crap out of the first form, then just $toss with everyone on the second form. The time mage was for haste, and meteo was good. 4 X $toss with haste just decimates the second part of that boss.
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<---solo vote for the OG FF. First game I ever got on Nintendo. Was so fucking hard when you're 5.
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The thing is, III(DS) is most similar to V, and they smoothed out a lot of the faults for that version. If you have the choice, III(DS) is a far better option. V goes down as one of the 3 FF's I'm more likely to rant about.
I disagree, I don't think either III or V had a good story, and V's job system is far, far superior. I'm with Pols Voice, even though the story was lame, the gameplay was fun enough that I enjoyed it quite a bit. The GBA version seems to be the definitive one.
<---solo vote for the OG FF. First game I ever got on Nintendo. Was so fucking hard when you're 5.
No shame in that, I was obsessed with it when I was a kid. I had played Mario, Duck Tales, etc, but there weren't any games remotely similar to Final Fantasy.
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I enjoyed V, I would not have finished otherwise. My comparison to III is in game and in faults. They suffer the same faults, but I felt III was smoother around the edges. For V, the faults just got in the way. For instance, the speak function in III helped give some life and development to the characters.
What was superior to the job system in V? I found it really boring that you could switch to a new job and immediately be powerful in it. Leveling was mostly just for abilities in other classes. My white mage for the last few boss fights had been a mele class character all the way up to that point, but that posed no problem. In III, I remember switching classes posed a challenge, I like that better. III felt like growth, and sticking to a job meaningful. V felt like costumes, no real need for thought or planning ahead, using weak classes for your party was often an advantage, to get stronger ability commands. I'll take III's any day.
In my ranking, III is in the group I really enjoyed but had major criticisms. While playing those I mostly shrugged off the problems. V is in the group where I thought the flaws really hurt the experience, but I did enjoy VIII, V, and X.
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Finished FF I just a few minutes ago. Took me a little over 13 hours, and I didn't absolutely hate it in the end, but was mostly playing it for the hell of it anyway. Wayyyyy too many random battles in that game though, and yeah I get it's a FF game, but by the end 2, almost 3 characters had max HP / MP, because you get into battles every 2 - 3 steps and once you get passed the first boss of the game, pretty much everything dies in one hit save for some bosses and nothing really does a lot of damage to your party provided you're keeping up with all the armour upgrades until the final boss.
At least that's what it was like in the Dawn of Souls version, I'm sure the NES version is probably 1000 times harder, but I have absolutely no desire to play that one. Oh well, checking out II soon.
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Is anyone actualy excited about XIII-2? It comes out pretty soon and there has been literaly no hype for it what so ever...personaly I hated XIII so XIII-2 will be a definate pass for me.
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No.
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I'm not particularly excited for it, but I did preorder it. Two years ago this would have been a wait until cheap title or skip. Most of what I've heard has not been appealing, and XIII is one of the weaker FF's. I think this is going to be a repeat of X-2, lots of improvements over the original but tons of obnoxious steps back.
However, I'm at a point in life where playing new series isn't so appealing, and I can get two or three console games as day one releases a year. ...Assassin's Creed 3 is the only other game I know this year that I'll be getting, so I might as well go for this. Most of any gaming I do this year will be old favourites, I think. If this has a smooth battle system, which XIII did, and the world is more open like in the end of XIII I'll be happy.
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Finished FF I just a few minutes ago. Took me a little over 13 hours, and I didn't absolutely hate it in the end, but was mostly playing it for the hell of it anyway. Wayyyyy too many random battles in that game though, and yeah I get it's a FF game, but by the end 2, almost 3 characters had max HP / MP, because you get into battles every 2 - 3 steps and once you get passed the first boss of the game, pretty much everything dies in one hit save for some bosses and nothing really does a lot of damage to your party provided you're keeping up with all the armour upgrades until the final boss.
At least that's what it was like in the Dawn of Souls version, I'm sure the NES version is probably 1000 times harder, but I have absolutely no desire to play that one. Oh well, checking out II soon.
I have not played the GBA DoS FFI, but yeah, the NES version is VERY hard. I bought the port on the Wii VC, and I think it is a direct rip of the original NES version. The game does back off before the 1st elemental fiend really. But the Marsh Cave is a bitch... some of it comes down to luck unless characters have super high levels. That, and my brother and I would always get the floater for the airship and age our characters at Bahamut before the second elemental fiend. So that never made it easy.
But right after getting the pirate ship, things are torture. And even throughout the game, often people die and need to be revived. That is especially a chore in the beginning when there is no life spell yet.
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Got XIII-2 today, and I'm really enjoying it. I liked XIII, but this is way better. The battle system is just as smooth and satisfying as ever, and while the dialogue is still cheesy, they do a good job of making it so you don't have to read the datalog to understand what's going on (though I'd still recommend giving it a read). The game's much less linear, and it's kind of playing like Chrono Trigger with the whole time travel aspect.
I'll have more thoughts as I go on, but I'm loving it so far.
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I doubt I got as far as you, but my initial thoughts are fairly positive, too.
The setup for the story was a lot better than I expected. It is rather odd as a sequel, but it seems alright to drive the game. If the game is open ended from the start a loose fitting story is fine by me so long as it isn't obnoxious and provides an end goal. So far its good to go there.
The battle encounters seem like a really nice system. While I like enemies on the field, this is a pretty cool approach to random battles. Quick decisions can eliminate the annoying aspects of random battles.
I don't think I'm going to like the moogle always there, we'll see.
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I had a fangasm as soon as the moogle showed up. I'm guessing it was in response to XIII-haters saying there wasn't enough reference to the overarching mythos of the FF universe. Riding on Chocobos is fucking awesome too.
I have to go to class now, but the next time period I get to go to is 200 AF. Time travel FTW
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It just seems like it might get to be too much since it seems to be front and center on camera most of the time. We'll see, it was just a guess. I don't have a problem, yet. It did seem odd they changed the moogle design from XIII, but at least they made an in game reference to the change, someone commenting it sort of looked like a moogle.
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II is character oriented, a far better game than I. Some people hate the leveling system, although I think it is one of the highlights if you don't abuse it.
Personally I think it's the worst leveling system of any game I've ever played. Me and my grandpa both hate it with a passion. :lol (he loves the older Final Fantasy games). There are times where in order to toughen up my guys for a level (can't recall which) the easiest solution was to hit myself with my own magic.
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Easiest way to do it, but it's completely unnecessary. Doing it is usually a sign you're trying to power level and is what I meant by abuse. Just toughing it out a little takes care of what you need, whereas hurting your own characters makes the game a cakewalk. The solution in II is simply always being active in using what you want to use.
Come to think of it, it's pretty similar to why I like III's job system most. Struggling through adjustment periods and trying to survive adds both a bit of realism and challenge to the normal paces of the game. You're rewarded for good foresight, too.
Did you figure out how to make Ultima click? First time I played it sucked, the second time I realized it's probably three times as powerful as any other attack in the game.
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I wish I had played VII when it came out...it just didn't wow me when I tried playing it through it a couple of years ago. I had an N64 growing up and so I was a Zelda kid.
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I think I'm going to skip XIII-2 and just wait for Versus XIII.
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I think I'm going to skip XIII-2 and just wait for Versus XIII.
I've lost hope of Versus XIII ever coming out.
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No. It will come out and it will destroy with its awesomeness.
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With Agito renamed away from XIII and the excitement about Versus, I'm almost expecting Versus to be retolled as XV.
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With Agito renamed away from XIII and the excitement about Versus, I'm almost expecting Versus to be retolled as XV.
definitely wouldn't surprise me at this point
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With Agito renamed away from XIII and the excitement about Versus, I'm almost expecting Versus to be retolled as XV.
Didn't Agito become Type-0?
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Yeah.
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I may be an odd exception, but I loved FF XIII, so I'm somewhat excited about XIII-2. Anyone gonna give it a shot?
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UMH and I are playing it. I'm starting to agree with UMH, this is a much better game. An unusual sequel to some degree, though.
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No. It will come out and it will destroy with its awesomeness.
What's so special about it?
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I may be an odd exception, but I loved FF XIII, so I'm somewhat excited about XIII-2. Anyone gonna give it a shot?
I loved the story and characters of XIII but found the gameplay too linear, so many cut scenes and not enough chance to explore really. It sounds like XIII-2 is a vast improvement in that area, so if the story stays strong then I'll probably love it.
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No. It will come out and it will destroy with its awesomeness.
What's so special about it?
It's being made by the Kingdom Hearts team. It also has a traversable world map!
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The story of XIII-2 is easily the weakest part, but I'm still enjoying the game.
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Picked up XIII-2 and I'm enjoying it so far. Definitely superior to the first game.
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...so how are people doing with XIII-2? I've unlocked Academia 4XX but haven't entered it, I've been collecting fragments(around 90) and have opened all the wild artefact gates available up to this point. The Oerba series is the best optional part of the game, so far.
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I traded it in for SSX. I lost the drive to play it for some reason.
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I hope you got some good value out of it. It's still selling pretty high, isn't it?
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I hope you got some good value out of it. It's still selling pretty high, isn't it?
Yep. Since it's so new, I got a pretty solid amount for it.
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I'm enjoying XIII-2 quite a bit. I just got Sazh, but I have yet to even get close to beating Lightning. I just finished Academia 400, and I guess I'm going back to this tower that Caius was talking about.
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I recently bought an iPad2 and downloaded FF III from App store. Has anybody else played this? It is quite interesting cause I've never owned a console or game device that played FF III. Anybody know the history of this particular installment?
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FFIII, the real FFIII, or FFIII as in FFVI? :lol
III on the DS was nice, I personally think the job system, with the learning curve, is more appealing because you have to think about what you choose for jobs. The DS added elements that helped flesh out the game, though, like party talk, do you know if you're playing the DS version or an old version?
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Anybody play that FFIV anniversary edition on the PSP? Is it good?
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It's worth it if you want a physical copy of IV:TAY. IV:TAY is a good game, except the final dungeon has way too many bosses and is half the length of the game. The Interlude is ok, maybe an hour long? Nice if you love IV and already want IV:TAY, but not worth much on its own.
It's a nice package, but for IV only I'd recommend the DS version. ...unless you really hate the looks of the characters in that version.
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The ending to XIII-2... Wow, that's a total "fuck you for playing the last two games" from Square Enix to fans.
Spoilers: Basically, it nullifies everything that happened in both games. I'm not even sure either game did occur in the game's universe. Either they have a something planned to fix things or they committed a massive story telling sin and left nothing for players to hang on to after all is said and done. It's beyond the world dying, the entire timeline is wiped out. There's just nothing to hang on to once the game is done, nothing to care about.
XIII-2 didn't surpass XIII as much, or at all, as it seemed initially. Initially, I thought the battle system was improved, but they actually neutered stagger, a big minus. Only a few enemies does stagger matter, most enemies that get staggered are almost dead anyways, those enemies you wish you could stagger often have a move to zero out the stagger bar, so can't be staggered. Brute force works better this time around, disappointing.
I was happy until the ending, though. Lots of improvements over XIII despite some steps back. However I don't see the point of an ending that makes you regret playing. If you want to cherish your memories of XIII, avoid this game, or at least wait until someone says they fixed what they did in the ending.
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Shitty endings seems to be in this year.
Can't wait for Diablo 3!
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Agni's Philosophy "final fantasy real time tech demo"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU
Not sure if this will be developed into a full-length game, but I can get down with it.
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Possible Final Fantasy VII re-release on the PC?
https://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/final_fantasy_vii_pc_rerelease/page1
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I may be an odd exception, but I loved FF XIII, so I'm somewhat excited about XIII-2. Anyone gonna give it a shot?
I loved the story and characters of XIII
There were a story and characters in FF XIII?
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Nope
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Possible Final Fantasy VII re-release on the PC?
https://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/final_fantasy_vii_pc_rerelease/page1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr4TgU4SKLc&list=UUzTNeXPYqdKGCEx6lY8Ddjg&index=1&feature=plcp
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I may be an odd exception, but I loved FF XIII, so I'm somewhat excited about XIII-2. Anyone gonna give it a shot?
I loved the story and characters of XIII
There were a story and characters in FF XIII?
Yep, good ones too.
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OK, who's ready for XIII-3? Lightning Returns, actually, big surprise after the the complete "fuck you" to fans ending of XIII-2. If anybody tells me it covers up the rotten taste that game ended with I think I'll preorder it. :lol
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OK, who's ready for XIII-3? Lightning Returns, actually, big surprise after the the complete "fuck you" to fans ending of XIII-2. If anybody tells me it covers up the rotten taste that game ended with I think I'll preorder it. :lol
Don't you need to buy some DLC for XIII-2 to clear that up? I think I read that somewhere.
But yeah, why do we need 3 FFXIII games?!?! One was enough, more than enough in fact.
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I did not buy the Lightning DLC, as I understood it all it did was explain what simultaneously happened to Lightning during the end. More why than a different outcome. I won't purchase more from XIII until I know they've somehow corrected the disaster they've left it in.
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After all this vs. XIII had better be goddamn amazing.
I've seen some play of Type-0 (previously Agito) and it actually looks pretty good. Raises my hopes for vs.
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After all this vs. XIII had better be goddamn amazing.
I've seen some play of Type-0 (previously Agito) and it actually looks pretty good. Raises my hopes for vs.
I thought I read a rumor a month or two back about vs 13 being cancelled
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And very recently Square Enix confirmed vs. XIII is still in development.
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And very recently Square Enix confirmed vs. XIII is still in development.
OH wow, I don't really keep up with gaming news these days as much as I used to. But that is awesome news indeed :tup
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It's seems I'm in the minority here, but...X was the last good game. That game had serious voice acting issues but everything else was awesome. XII had it's moments but wasn't up to the standard set by the previous games.
XI, XIII and XIV...don't get me started. Hated 'em. Especially XIII. Ridiculous story, characters I wanted to kick the living shit out of and a battle system that was interesting but not as intriguing as the previous games.
I've kinda lost hope I'll ever play a new good FF game again.
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Yeah, I don't expect anything good to come from the company from now on. I remember thinking "WTF?" when FF XII came out. I couldn't have imagined it'd be the last decent thing the company do.
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I think Square Enix is allergic to making money.
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The only recent games of theirs I've played are the Kingdom Hearts games.... they definitely come up with some unique stories and ideas, but holy shit did they turn the series into a huge clusterfuck. I'm fine with writers throwing out interesting weird shit (in fact, I encourage it), but I shouldn't need a god damn flow chart just to understand how and why a character even exists.
Then the games themselves tend to have some interesting systems that are fun to play around with but, with the KH games at least, so much of the content feels like padding. Especially 358/2 Days, if you removed the padding from that game you'd probably have a good 2-3 hours of content.
It wouldn't surprise me of the recent FF games are similar (haven't played any since 10). SE is one of those developers that I really want to like because it's clear they do know how to write interesting stories and design fun combat systems, but then they bury it all under so much shit it's baffling. And for how huge they are and how long they've been around you'd think they'd know better.
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SquareEnix has made/published plenty of great games since XII. I believe two Valkyrie Profiles, The World Ends With You, Dissidia, I loved the sequel to XII, which is probably the strongest FF sequel, Dragon Quest IX was there or close, the DS Crystal Chronicles I would consider adding...
SquareEnix had a great run on the DS, easily my favourite publisher on the system. I think nostalgia has helped make them an easy target for people.
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SquareEnix has made/published plenty of great games since XII. I believe two Valkyrie Profiles, The World Ends With You, Dissidia, I loved the sequel to XII, which is probably the strongest FF sequel, Dragon Quest IX was there or close, the DS Crystal Chronicles I would consider adding...
SquareEnix had a great run on the DS, easily my favourite publisher on the system. I think nostalgia has helped make them an easy target for people.
Well, yeah, Tri-Ace are still awesome, although I hated The Last Hope (not sure what changed: them, or me). But Dissidia "great"? C'mon. I guess it's as great as a broken nostalgia trip of a fighting game can be. But anyway, the occasional decent game doesn't really make up for the sheer number of total embarrassments and destroying the Final Fantasy series, or the insane amount of price-gauging going on, like the new commemorative box.
Ten years ago, I would have told you Squaresoft was my favorite videogame company. These days, SquareEnix would no-doubt be among my least favorites. The Enix portion is still OK from time to time, but the Square side absolutely sucks. If there's even a difference these days.
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Dissidia is a great fan service game, not sure what your problem is with it. I wouldn't recommed it to non-FF fans, but so what, that's not the target?
SquareEnix isn't THAT bad. They were one of the best publishers for the DS/PSP handheld generation. ...so their console efforts left something to be desired this generation, oh well.
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Well, yeah, there is a WORLD of difference between a "great game" and a "great fanservice game". If you want to call Dissidia a great fan-service game, that's cool. But it's not the same thing as what you said earlier ;D
And yeah, SquareEnix truly has done some of the best republishing of classic games on the handhold consoles. I'll give you that as well. I don't know about much aside from that, though.
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We are in a Final Fantasy thread, I'm not sure what difference it makes how I labeled it. It's clearly aimed at Final Fantasy fans, they succeeded wonderfully in that aim.
For handhelds it was more than just republishing, they did a great job with new releases, too (moreso on the DS than the PSP).
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We are in a Final Fantasy thread, I'm not sure what difference it makes how I labeled it. It's clearly aimed at Final Fantasy fans, they succeeded wonderfully in that aim.
For handhelds it was more than just republishing, they did a great job with new releases, too (moreso on the DS than the PSP).
But that's just it. Some of us are sick of SquareEnix because all they're capable of doing lately are spin-offs and fanservice games, which are OK when they don't manage to taint the series they're supposed to be a part of. And those are the best of the SquareEnix bunch these days, which is not saying much.
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Ok.
The World Ends With You was a great new IP, though.
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https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/square-enix-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-news-is-coming
It's not much, but SquareEnix has a set date to reveal more about Versus XIII. I guess that could mean anything, but one would hope it's something fairly big. Interesting that it was called a delicate situation within SquareEnix, I suppose some might consider the handling of the game an embarrassment?
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My ex-GF calls Final Fantasy XIII the video game equivalent of a grudge fuck. You hate the damn thing, but you do it anyway. :lol
As much as I loved this series from FFVI to FFX-and FFVII is my all time favorite video game of all time-I haven't finished a Final Fantasy game since FFX. FFX2, nope, FFXII, got 20 hours in and quit, FFXIII, gave up about seven hours in, never bought FFXIII-2. I really would like to see someone shut down the FF department at Square Enix and start again with new people.
They can still make stunning cinematics, though. I saw the one that came at the end of FFXIV, the MMO so bad they had to literally blow it up, and it was fantastic. Shame they don't come with good games anymore.
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X-2 is one of the best gameplay wise. It's just really cheesy. :lol
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Yeah, X-2 was much better than X, except it was so awful of a presentation. :lol Both were pretty poor overall.
I really would like to see someone shut down the FF department at Square Enix and start again with new people.
They do switch teams between games, so that's not the issue. I loved XII, anyways, if they were releasing main titles as often as they used to people probably wouldn't see the series as dead as they do. When you release 11 titles in, what, 15 years, people will find enough they're happy with to forget about the ones they dislike.
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Thread revival. We were doing some FF discussion over in the Video Games thread, and it inspired me to finally play the original again and try to beat it this time. Having a lot of fun with it so far, even the grinding. I've mostly been grinding for Gil rather than EXP right now, and I'm a little overleveled as a result. Those level 3 and 4 spells are just so damned expensive. :P
I really want to try and play through all of the main series (At least up to X with X-2 maybe) since I have only finished VII and X. I thought about making it a new years resolution (about 1 a month isn't too terrible) but I know I won't do it if I put any kind of restriction on it. :(
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I made it to a certain point in FF1 (right after the dark elf part, I think) where I pretty much said 'Fuck this. This is NOT worth it.' Story and characters can sometimes make me overlook questionable gameplay, but FF1 really didn't have any and the gameplay was SO BAD.
Definitely an important entry in the history of video games, just not a very good important entry.
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What didn't you like about the gameplay? I'm playing the PSP remake, and everything's really nice so far. I read the difficulty curve in the NES version is evidently ridiculous and you have to grind constantly, but that hasn't been a problem for me (then again I am overleveled). Only issue for me so far has been the age old adage of "WHERE DO I FUCKING GO" but that's certainly more of a problem of the time period rather than the game itself.
And yeah getting "ambushed" by 3 warg wolves and 5 goblin guards is kind of annoying, but the "slow" spell takes care of that.
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What didn't you like about the gameplay?
It's abysmally boring and really, really grind-heavy.
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I really want to try and play through all of the main series (At least up to X with X-2 maybe)
I once had that dream, but sadly it was dream deferred.
FF I- Should have played more of it, but only got like an hour in.
FF II- Tried it, but didn't like the leveling system, so I walked away.
FF III- Messed with it a little, but only got an hour or 2 in.
FF IV- Finished it
FF V- Very cool, lot of fun, but didn't finish it.
FF VI- Hell yes do I love VI. Played it to the end
FF VII- My favorite game ever made. Played from beginning to the end 3 times
FF VIII- Played the shit of VIII back in 99, only finished once though
FF IX- Not my cup of tea, but I finished it
FF X- Actually really liked this one and finished it
FF XI- MMO's are not my bag
FF XII- Got 10 hours in, wasn't really that into it.
(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/vomit.gif) FF XIII- By the time I got to where it opened up, at that point I had enough. I can't stand 13.
FF XV- really looking forward to this one.
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Cool idea, Phoenix
FFI - Played very little of it
FFII - Played even less, as I disliked the levelling system
FFIII - This exists?
FFIV - Great game, finished it but not the After Years
FFV - Thought it was cool, but never got far into it
FF VI - Eh. Got into too late when the hype had created unrealistic expectations for me to enjoy it
FFVII - My first. I love it and have played it several times.
FFVIII - My second. I will never forgive it for not being a sequel to FFVIII, and will never forget how dumb I felt when I realized that wasn't the case.
FFIX - I like it a lot, but I never really finished it. Got pretty close once.
FFX - Love it.
FFXI - Never played.
FFXII - Got pretty far, but never finished.
FFXIII - Lost interest at the end game.
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I'm almost the exact opposite, Phoenix. XD
FF - Got Dawn Of Souls for the GBA, and played it all the way through... somehow.
FF2 - Same. Though I really disliked the leveling system.
FF3 - DS Version. Played it all the way through.
FF4 - GBA. Got about an hour in, got bored, dropped it. Have the PSP version. Meaning to give it another go.
FF5 - GBA. Got about an hour in, got bored, dropped it.
FF6 - GBA. Legitimately was enjoying this one, but I couldn't figure out how the fighter dude worked when you had to play as him, so I ragequit.
FF7 - Bought a used copy for PSOne some 5/6 years back. Got about an hour in, got bored, dropped it.
FF8 - Never owned it.
FF9 - Same as 7.
FF10 - Played this dreck until the very last dungeon, and finally just stopped because I realized I didn't care. The story in 10 is awful.
FF11 - Never owned it.
FF12 - Bought the special edition when it came out. Got about an hour in, got bored, dropped it.
FF13 - Bought it along with its sequel when that came out. Never touched it. But all the negative reactions haven't been very encouraging.
FF13-2 - Backlog. See above.
FF14 - Never owned it. I know they've revamped it, but cripes that initial launch seemed laughably bad from what I've seen. And can SE quit wasting perfectly good Roman numerals on what should just be called Final Fantasy Online.
I have some side games, but that's here or there.
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Well, it sounds like... you just plain don't like Final Fantasy. Surprised you keep buying them :lol
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I think it would be easier to list the ones I have played only.
FF1 - Played on the PS1 rerelease. Got a bit into then I got sick of the grinding and the general boredom and quit.
FF4 - One of my favorites. Originally played this back on the SNES. I got pretty far but never finished it. Got it again for the DS. Didn't get as far, but I just stopped playing at one point.
FF5 - Played only a bit of this one on an emulator a looooong time ago. Seemed fun but I never got back to it. I don't recall the story being all that interesting though.
FF6 - The only FF game that I've actually finished and I finished it at least two times on the SNES. Great game even if it does lose a little (a lot) of steam in the World of Ruin. It just doesn't make a very compelling open world game.
FF7 - Played a bit of it, enough to get out of the big city. It was pretty cool but I just never went back to it.
FF9 - Got to right before the end, but I just stopped playing it for some reason. I can't remember why, I think it was because there were a bunch of sidequests and mini games uncompleted and I had a very "I need to finish everything!" desire at the time. Started working on some of them, put the game down and never went back. Pretty great game though actually.
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Well, as many have said I didn't play too much of II because I really didn't get on with the levelling system.
Haven't played I, III, IV, V or any of the online ones… guess I'm not as hardcore as some of you, but out of the ones I have played…
VI: Finished it once, wanted to play it again and get into all the extra stuff like finishing the cultists tower and defeating all the dragons but the second time around I just couldn't maintain my interest. The story is good, but really rather bloated. Especially the second half where you need to track everyone down again. It's padding plain and simple and it really isn't necessary. Shame really because I enjoyed some of the characterisation and I also enjoyed the climax.
VII: Love it to pieces. Everytime I hear any of the music from this game it sends me into waves of nostalgia and I get the overwhelming urge to play it again. I love the environments on this one, especially the various areas in Midgar. The Shinra scene with the blood splattered all over the floor is one of the eeriest video game horror moments ever. An absolute masterclass.
VIII: My first Final Fantasy. I could play this over and over and never get bored of it. Unlike a lot of people I actually enjoy the Junction battle system and it's another game where even a couple of notes from the soundtrack make me want to dive in and play all over again. And Triple Triad is one of the best FF mini games period.
IX: Didn't like it much the first couple of times. After 7 and 8 the medieval dungeons and dragons tone was a bit of a shock to the system. But the characterisation on this one was absolutely brilliant and by the time I was on my second play through I really did care about the characters and what happened to them. And Kuja was absolutely badass, wardrobe notwithstanding.
X: Probably the first Final Fantasy I'll turn to if I fancy a casual run through. I don't even know what it is about this one that I enjoy so much but I really just love playing it. Probably a lot to do with the slower paced battle system giving me more time to think through my moves. The voice acting is terrible and some of the characters are really annoying but none of that stops it from being my most regularly played Final Fantasy.
Really did not like XII at all. Might never play it again. Won't miss it.
XIII: Haven't played it yet. Own it but for some reason haven't actually opened it and taken the plunge. I think I was burnt with XII's newfound emphasis on not being in direct control of the entire party's movements which I did not like. I hear XIII is a little in the same vein as far as the focus on peripheral AI vs controlling all active fighters, but we'll see.
Gee, sorry for going on. :(
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Well, it sounds like... you just plain don't like Final Fantasy. Surprised you keep buying them :lol
Me too.
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FF7 - Bought a used copy for PSOne some 5/6 years back. Got about an hour in, got bored, dropped it.
FF8 - Never owned it.
FF9 - Same as 7.
Man, SO MUCH FAIL right here.
Well, it sounds like... you just plain don't like Final Fantasy. Surprised you keep buying them :lol
Me too.
Tritto.
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What didn't you like about the gameplay?
It's abysmally boring and really, really grind-heavy.
If I recall, the part you're at is actually the only part of the game where grinding could be considered "necessary." The game as a whole isn't grind-heavy at all IMO. I abhor grinding, but like FF1 (nostalgia is likely a factor, however).
FF1 - Played it on the NES as a kid. I still like it, it's not that great but offers some replay value with class challenges if you're into that.
FF2 - Played it once, on PS1 I think. Not a fan.
FF3 - Never played it.
FF4 - Played it on the SNES as a kid. Absolutely loved it back then, now it's near the bottom of my list.
FF5 - Played it on an SNES emulator and more recently on GBA. Story, etc is garbage but the job system is a lot of fun and makes for some varied gameplay.
FF6 - Played it on the SNES as a kid. Remains one of my favorite video games of all time.
FF7 - Played it on the PC as a kid, because I never had a PS1. Loved it back then, still think it's probably in the top quarter of the series.
FF8 - Played it on the PC as a kid. Liked it, but I don't think I've felt compelled to play it since.
FF9 - Played it when I got a PS2 in high school. Liked it and have played it since then at the urging of my brother; it's his favorite game. I've enjoyed it more on subsequent play throughs.
FF10 - Played it when I got a PS2 in high school. Liked the story, but found the gameplay shallow, dull, and repetitive, the battle system tedious, and exploration and progression unsatisfying, among other things. And the voice acting was terrible. My overall impression was good, but anytime I've tried to pick it up since, I've immediately become bored and disinterested with it.
FF12 - Played my roommate's copy in college, probably a year or so after it came out. Vaan is terrible, but I had a blast with the game and find a lot to appreciate about it. I consider it one of the best in the series.
FF13 - Played my brother's copy a couple years ago. Pretty fun one time through and I applaud the innovative battle system (even though it turned out to have some big flaws), unlikely that I'd play it again, especially now that I spend so little time with video games.
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I've beaten all of the main title single player games (plus quite a few others which I won't comment on).
I - It is what it is. I enjoyed it, but it's too much of a grind and doesn't have much for story for it to be one of the best in the series.
II - Loved it. Level up system is confusing, but it's best to avoid grinding if you can and is better experienced not abusing self attacks. I like the system, oh well. Has some of the most memorable music in the series and one of the better stories. PSP version made some great adds that explain the world's back story, too, while also including the great addition from Dawn of Souls.
III - Enjoyable game, but characters aren't as well done as in II. Party chat is the best development in the DS version. My favourite class system in the series, too, I don't understand the complaints about the 'learning curve' and needing to stick choices out. Felt like a nice challenge to make things work and have to think about your party choices before trying any combo. Loved Cloud of Darkness for some reason, albeit a bit out of the blue. If there was one big change I would make, it would be adding a save point at the point of no return. That last dungeon is cruel if you loos to the last boss.
IV - Great game, though Kain starts to drag on the story and some of the characters get annoying. Feels a little more directed than the first III, though, which I don't like. ...not sure it's true, either, though.
V - Ugh, find a mode of transportation, find the one path it can take, wreck it, repeat. Terrible characters, weak villain, silliness abound, but at least it got better as the game progressed. Class system was a joke compared to III's. You could instant switch any character to suit your needs, use an ability from mastered classes... at the final boss I think I had all four of my characters in brand new classes. There just wasn't any need for foresight, here, bleh and cheap.
VI - Loved it. the game just hits a fantastic spot when you get to the open world part, but this game was great start to finish. Final boss is probably my most memorable in the series. Ultros was a little off putting, but I think more fond of him now, and will probably appreciate him when I replay this game.
VII - Disc 1: Ugh, so much annoying content, some of the worst in the series. Disc 2&3: Great time, some of the best in the series. Yeah, that sums it up, game didn't live up to the hype but I can see why so many people love it. For me, it's just not one of the great ones, but for all those that aren't, it leads the way because so much of it was a great game.
VIII - Ugh, so many annoying characters, a terrible story, and an awful implementation for battle. It says something that I though the 'no encounter' buff was a fabulous addition to the game since you could get it so early. Battles were for farming, otherwise you're just making the game harder by leveling up your enemies, silliness. I felt stuck, damned if I battle normal and damned if I don't, I just saw it as taking the lesser of two poor choices. At least it had some of the best music in the series.
IX - Great game. Too bad some of it got a little annoying, and I'd have liked it a little more open. The core characters, Zidane, Dagger, Steiner, and Vivi were all fantastic.
X - Ugh. Annoying characters, terrible world design, linear and random battles mesh for a dreadful walk, eliminated active battles, stupid sphere grid they pretend is open, and a superb story somehow mixed into some downright awful elements like blitzball. I had an ok time with it, but I don't think I will ever understand the love this gets as a game.
XII - Loved it. Felt so open even in the times it wasn't so much so, loved the side quests, loved the characters and their development (yes, even Vaan and Penelo). Gambits were a lot of fun to play with, but also optional so I don't get the complaints about them. The one drawback is length, I'd love to replay this game but it's a huge undertaking for a story based game.
XIII - Well, they were clearly trying to repeat X, but it went a little better this time. Battles were active again, they didn't try to hide how directed leveling up is, linear path was so much more tolerable with visible enemies, and, finally, something like Gran Pulse with some real exploration showed up. Still has many of the faults of X, but Gran Pulse ensured this game was one I ultimately enjoyed, overall.
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7 9 and 10 are my favourite ones.
I remember enjoying 6 until I got stuck on it.
8 was good but really different to someone who experienced 7 first. No materia was just odd and the junctioning system was confusing. Thankfully they were smart enough to include an "automatic" junctioning whereby it would choose the best combo for your character - i seem to recall i didn't really figure out how to junction properly until disc 3. Really boring story overall though. Hated it each and every time you would pass out and become the other characters.
9 was a return to the fun. Loved the characters and the world and the old style magic system was a lot better than the Junction system in 8.
I do love 10. Prefer it to 8. Just didn't need the voices. Mostly played it for Blitzball because I had the Jecht shot and nobody could beat me :lol
10-2 is not worth mentioning and I haven't played one since then.
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This is going to be short for most of the games since I haven't really dug deep into many of them.
I - Playing it again right now. Honestly, I quite like it. It's simple, grindy fun and god dammit there ain't nothin' wrong wit dat.
II - Will play after I. The leveling system makes me nervous because of how easily it can be abused and a lot of people I know hate it.
III - The job system scares me because I've never used a job system before and I have no idea how they work. Stupid, I know.
IV - Bought it on PSP and was really enjoying it, but I stopped for some reason (probably because I wasn't as into handheld gaming as I am now)
V - Same as III.
VI - Played the first 5 hours or so, and enjoyed it, but so many of the characters have these bizarre-ass gimmicks to them that really rub me the wrong way. The characters themselves seem extremely varied and interesting though, so I need to try again.
VII - Amazing, holy shit what a game, etc.
VIII - Played the first 5 minutes on an emulator and decided I wanted to dedicate more attention to it on a real system eventually.
IX - Got it on my Vita. Really fucking fun game, though I got stuck one time getting utterly gangraped after it really opens up for the first time and I couldn't even grind to raise my level without dying. I have no idea what even happened, but I'll start it over and try again eventually.
X - Best in the series, far and away. Love the story, love the characters, love the battle system, sphere grid is Jesus.
XI - MMOs suck
XII - Utterly terrible. Not engaging at all and the battle system sucks. Furthermore, the story's bogged down by SO MUCH LORE. GOD.
XIII - Awesome. Shit tons of lore, but it's in a setting that I can appreciate more (I generally dislike medieval type stuff and much prefer the cyberpunk thing that XIII has). Everything else is basically X, so yay.
XIII-2 - Even better than XIII, but I never finished it for some weird reason.
XIV - No.
XV - Nervous about this one. So much hype, and I'm not too thrilled with how the battle system looks like it's going to be.
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On a whim i decided to play VII again, really enjoying it, although VIII will forever be my favourite shit right dere.
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Haven't finished a FF game since FFX. Which given how much I love the series is a surprise, but FFXII was just too grind heavy and FFXIII-well, supposedly it gets good, but like 20 hours in, and I ain't got time for a game to grab me like that.
FFVII and FFVIII are the shit, though. Two of my favorite games ever. :hefdaddy
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I hope we can get a good leveling system again. 7 and 9 got it right. I HATE the Crystarium and the Sphere Board. Is it really too much to ask for a system where you don't pick predetermined stats upgrades? What's even the point in doing that, the game could easily just do it for me. Just as the battles themselves in XII and XII are largely self-playing.
I want to choose a spell when I level up and then be excited about using it in battle. Just like finding a new Materia in FFVII, or drawing a new magic in FFVIII (even if the drawing system sucked, it was way better than what was to come).
And don't even get me started on the story and the characters. FFXIII is one of the worst told stories I've ever encountered in a video game. The setting makes no sense, the characters are the most unlikeable bunch you could ever imagine and YOU HAVE TO READ THE DATALOGS TO GET EXPLAINATIONS TO THE CHARACTERS, FACTIONS AND STUPID WORDS! No one explains anything! But then again, maybe it's because it would sound too stupid so they stick it in the fucking menu. I mean, how much sense does it make for the all powerful god-like being fal'Cie to brand someone with an allimportant mission BUT NOT TELL YOU WHAT THE MISSION IS?! Isn't it in their best interest? God of Wars? More like Raw Dogs!
Is there any way to get the story of FFVII, the characters of FFVI, the battle system of X and the leveling system of VII? Square-Enix? Pretty please? You know, I'll buy your damn games out of obligation at this point, so you might as well just use that money somehow. Please, please, stop earfucking me and just please me, like you used to?
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The story in XIII was great, and the datalog detail is there because many players couldn't give a shit about any of that. I think it's a really good idea (like when you play Skyrim and there is SO MUCH STUFF written in books). If you're interested in the depth and history, you can geek out on it, otherwise you can just ignore it.
The problem that XIII had was the linearity. Until the latter stages it was the most linear RPG I've ever played, even more so that X. It opened up more later on though, which was great.
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The story in XIII was great, and the datalog detail is there because many players couldn't give a shit about any of that. I think it's a really good idea (like when you play Skyrim and there is SO MUCH STUFF written in books). If you're interested in the depth and history, you can geek out on it, otherwise you can just ignore it.
The problem that XIII had was the linearity. Until the latter stages it was the most linear RPG I've ever played, even more so that X. It opened up more later on though, which was great.
Except it's not details in the datalog, it's essential to read to even understand character motivations. I would hardly even know what a fal'Cie was if I didn't have the datalog. Why couldn't the characters explain that on their own to me?
I'm all for a in-game wiki of sort, I love the books in Skyrim. But I shouldn't be confused by the story because I forgot to read up on it.
Also, is there anyone out there who actually liked Snow, Hope or Vanille? Damn, I just wanted to throw my controller at the screen most of the time. :lol
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Didn't care for Hope or Snow, but I liked their relationship quite a bit.
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I HATE the Crystarium and the Sphere Board. Is it really too much to ask for a system where you don't pick predetermined stats upgrades? What's even the point in doing that, the game could easily just do it for me.
I agree with this. The popularity of the sphere grid baffles me; it combines the worst aspects of "rigid roles for each character" and "customizability to the point that every character just becomes the same." You have the illusion of control of their development, but you really can't mix it up much at all in the early game. Then when you can access other parts of the grid far later on, everybody just blends together. Not to mention that I recall it being an enormous grind to get anywhere past the characters' primary areas on the sphere grid, and grinding is even more intolerable in X than in most of the other games, thanks in large part to...
Is there any way to get the story of FFVII, the characters of FFVI, the battle system of X and the leveling system of VII? Square-Enix?
The battle system in X is probably it's other huge failure; I'd be massively disappointed if it made a return.
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Agreed with all of that, though X-2's battle system returning would be fine with me.
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I: Classic. Fun but painfully easy.
II: Least favourite. Ruined by garbage leveling system.
III: One of the tougher ones. A couple parts irked me but I like job system.
IV: One of the best. Really fun and challenging.
V: So long since I played but I remember loving it.
VI: Seems to be the favourite amongst diehards. Likely the best plotwise. Gameplay is neat.
VII: Amazing game. Not sure what else to say.
VIII: My favourite game of all time. Both for nostalgia and the fact I'm just in love with everything about it aside from that one horrible twist.
IX: Good game, but overrated. Gameplay is fairly lacklustre.
X: Neat game albeit a bit easy. I love blitzball though.
XI: Never played. Don't intend to.
XII: This game is cool as hell even if it's polarizing and Vaan is a boring main character. I adore the gameplay and the overalĺ feel of the game. Second favourite.
XIII: Yeah it being mostly linear is unfortunate. Regardless, the gameplay is some of the better gameplay of the series. Me likey.
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VIII: My favourite game of all time. Both for nostalgia and the fact I'm just in love with everything about it aside from that one horrible twist.
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Agreed with all of that, though X-2's battle system returning would be fine with me.
X-2's battle system was amazing!
Too bad the story was a huge letdown following the awesomeness of X :(
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IV (II) is the only one I've ever played, and I love it! I actually just ordered it on eBay because I now have an SNES again. PUMPED to kick some Zeromus ass again, though it will probably take me forever as it's been a loooong time.
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VIII: My favourite game of all time. Both for nostalgia and the fact I'm just in love with everything about it aside from that one horrible twist.
:hifive:
:hifive: :wave: :hug: :hifive:
Can someone remind me of the magic system for X ? I remember it being better than 8 but ...oh wait - wasn't it some sort of grid like thing where you have to apply abilities in order to create a path to the ability you want ?
I vaguely remember :)
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IV (II) is the only one I've ever played, and I love it! I actually just ordered it on eBay because I now have an SNES again. PUMPED to kick some Zeromus ass again, though it will probably take me forever as it's been a loooong time.
FYI, SNES Zeromus was dumbed down for America. He even looks different.
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Doesn't surprise me!
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Any fans here? I didn't find any active FF topics, so I thought I'd make one. I'm currently playing through Final Fantasy IV DS right now, stuck on Cagnazzo. I also started IX recently, it's just taking some time to get started.
My favorites are X, XII, IV (loving it so far), III and XIII. Can't stand VIII, though. The only ones I haven't played are II, V and VI (I don't count XI and XIV). The only one I have beaten was X. I usually screw up my characters somewhere along the line. It takes me a while to get accustomed to how a certain RPG works, so I usually get about halfway, realize that I've been upgrading/leveling up all wrong, then start over. This pattern usually repeats until I know basically everything about the game...in which case I get bored playing it so I never beat it. It's a vicious cycle, but I have to get around to beating more of the FF games. The only thing I hate about XII (besides the story) is the 100% free reign to develop every character however you want. I like it when each character has a specific role. This system forces me to play "Enforced Class Challenges" in XII, which makes the game much harder than it has to be. Not to mention I get distracted all the time doing Hunts and side quests.
As for FFX, it's probably my favorite game of all time. Enough said.
Anyway, there's my FF experiences. Please share. But please no spoilers for any of the FF games, not only for me, but we don't want to spoil it for someone else. Just watch what you say.
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I have played and enjoyed some games in the series, but I haven't really played enough of them that I would call myself an actual "Final Fantasy Fan". I've only ever finished two of them. :lol
Played and finished VI and IV (DS remake). Really enjoyed them both.
Played most of III on DS, but got bored with it. The plot was too thin and the characters had no personality at all. No surprise given how old III is, but the IV was much better. I'd like them to remake V and VI in the same way eventually.
Played a little of VII VIII and X but just couldn't get interested in them.
As for spinoffs, I didn't mind the first Crystal Chronicles on the GCN, but it was just far too repetitive in single player so I never finished it. Love the soundtrack though.
I think that's it.
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FINAL FANTASY 7 is the greatest game of all time.
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There's already a perfectly good FF discussion thread, so I merged the new one in.
I don't think we need it spoiler-free. Obviously if a new game comes out and anybody wants to start a separate spoiler-free thread about it, that's fine (although I'm not sure how that would work as different people will play it at different speeds and different times), but most of these games have been out for years.
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And it's not like the entire FF series has an over arcing theme or plot.
Every game is set in a different time , space and universe with new characters and abilities.
I started with 7 then played 8 and was a bit disappointed with it.
Loved 9 for it's return to basics. Loved 10 also because it was new and different and i LOVED the Blitzball game. I played that more than the proper game.
X-2 was like WTF and I haven't played one since. I enjoyed VI though for the short time that I Played it.
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LOVE Final Fantasy!
In the middle of FFX HD right now. So far it's pretty good, the beginning is a little slow as there's WAY too much storyline! But I just opened up the "capturing monsters" quests, so I'm excited to get on that! It's new to me as I missed the PS2 generation. Other than that gen (X-XII), I have played and beaten all but III!
My favorite is XIII by far, with VI, V, and VIII not far behind. Did not like II that much, or IV. I, VII, and IX are in the middle of the pack.
I did have an account for XIV for a few months, but after I beat the storyline I couldn't justify continuing to pay every month. I really enjoyed that game though, and I find myself missing it every once in a while. It was my first go around into MMORPGs and I thought it was pretty cool!
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What about XIII did you like so much? I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's in the middle for me. I hate the fact that the game not only limits you exploration (I can live with that) but that you can't level up past a certain point depending on what part of the game you're on.
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Yeah, neither of those things really bothered me at all. I think it's a cliche that people say "it limits exploration" or "it's too linear" because they're all linear up to a point. I'm about 40 hours into X right now, and I've been walking in a straight line to get to Zanarkand since the beginning, which, to me, feels about the time that XIII opened up with Gran Pulse. Even in the first one, you battle the first boss before it lets you across the bridge; then you have to fight the pirates before moving on, then there's only one place you can go to next, and so on and so forth. In VI, the first half of the game is very linear, and it only opens up after the battle with Kefka.
The levelling thing, I guess I could understand that, but it was only there so that you couldn't bully/grind your way through the storyline. I like a challenge, so I liked that I couldn't get some Spells or whatever until I beat the next boss and opened up the next part of the Crystarium.
What I LOVED about this game was the fighting engine. It felt so fresh, so fast, so exciting, SO POWAH! I loved being able to change strategies on the fly, having to figure out which Paradigms worked on which bosses (and which ones didn't). Also, the 60-or-so missions on Gran Pulse were so great. It was like a big scavenger hunt! Had to find the stone, then go find the enemy, then figure out how to BEAT that enemy, some of which were harder than any of the other bosses! I felt like how people must have felt tracking down the Weapons in VII (something I never did). And then on top of all that, trophy hunting at the end of the game was brilliant. It gave me a real sense of accomplishment to get my first platinum.
I guess I could go on and on... oh yeah, not to mention the game is literally the most beautiful game I've ever seen. OMG.
Just writing about it now makes me want to drop X and pick up XIII for my third time through, haha. Absolutely my favorite Final Fantasy.
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Yeah, neither of those things really bothered me at all. I think it's a cliche that people say "it limits exploration" or "it's too linear" because they're all linear up to a point. I'm about 40 hours into X right now, and I've been walking in a straight line to get to Zanarkand since the beginning, which, to me, feels about the time that XIII opened up with Gran Pulse. Even in the first one, you battle the first boss before it lets you across the bridge; then you have to fight the pirates before moving on, then there's only one place you can go to next, and so on and so forth. In VI, the first half of the game is very linear, and it only opens up after the battle with Kefka.
The levelling thing, I guess I could understand that, but it was only there so that you couldn't bully/grind your way through the storyline. I like a challenge, so I liked that I couldn't get some Spells or whatever until I beat the next boss and opened up the next part of the Crystarium.
Yeah I haven't gotten to Gran Pulse yet, but I think I'm close. The hunts are what I loved about XII. And, yes, while X is very linear, at least it has towns and stuff and it's not just from save point to save point in a line. Also, the story is X is amazing. I'm liking IX a lot right now, since there's so much to explore. I explored Lindblum for a few hours before moving on with the story.
What I LOVED about this game was the fighting engine. It felt so fresh, so fast, so exciting, SO POWAH! I loved being able to change strategies on the fly, having to figure out which Paradigms worked on which bosses (and which ones didn't). Also, the 60-or-so missions on Gran Pulse were so great. It was like a big scavenger hunt! Had to find the stone, then go find the enemy, then figure out how to BEAT that enemy, some of which were harder than any of the other bosses! I felt like how people must have felt tracking down the Weapons in VII (something I never did). And then on top of all that, trophy hunting at the end of the game was brilliant. It gave me a real sense of accomplishment to get my first platinum.
I guess I could go on and on... oh yeah, not to mention the game is literally the most beautiful game I've ever seen. OMG.
Just writing about it now makes me want to drop X and pick up XIII for my third time through, haha. Absolutely my favorite Final Fantasy.
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Right now I'm playing the iOS remake version of FFIII on my iPad. Pretty cool. But, my all time favorite is still FFX. Loved the sphere grid leveling system and despite the game being rather linear, I still played for massive amounts of hours and the side quests helped to spread it out bit. Blitzball was ok, but really think they could've done a better job with it. That was my least favorite part of the game.
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XIII was OK, would have been great with a good story, unfortunately it didn't have one.
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FINAL FANTASY 7 is the greatest game of all time.
Its my favorite game ever made.
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Right now I'm playing the iOS remake version of FFIII on my iPad. Pretty cool. But, my all time favorite is still FFX. Loved the sphere grid leveling system and despite the game being rather linear, I still played for massive amounts of hours and the side quests helped to spread it out bit. Blitzball was ok, but really think they could've done a better job with it. That was my least favorite part of the game.
:'( Blitzball was my fave. I played that more than the proper game. I had the Jecht shot so i could never lose :lol
I loved the whole vibe of FFX.
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I really like the story in XIII. It's one of their best in terms of character interaction and development. Something which is severely lacking in XIII-2!
The gameplay is ok, yeah it's quite linear but that doesn't really bother me too much.
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Hi thread. I'm about to buy FFVII in Steam, and I'm excited as hell. The best game I ever played :heart (With Ocarina of Time coming in a close second, of course)
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I loved OOT too until I went back to it after playing Twilight Princess then I realised it was very much a product of it's time and I can't play it now :lol
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I get what you mean, and as much as I loved Twilight Princess I keep coming back to OoT. :D
Also, my only gripe with XIII was that I felt it was too easy. I hated the fact that the game itself recommended the user the *best* moves for that specific point in the battle. That gave me the impression I could beat the game by just moving the joystick and playing X over and over again. Other than that, I really enjoyed the game (the music is incredibly amazing, as is the music from most FF games).
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Man, I don't see OoT that way at all. I still replay it on the 3DS, I love the upgraded Master Quest. Every game is a product of it's time, of course it's aged...but I still think it's extremely fun and enjoy it more than TP...verily. WHOA OPINIONS WATCH OUT Y'ALL.
*Posts and leaves without mentioning FF*
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Lightning Returns wasn't as bad as I expected, I'd probably say it was my favorite in the trilogy. I'm lost as to the critique of it being terribly short, an unguided playthrough on normal took me over 60 hours.
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Off Topic again but I hated Skyward Sword.
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I wish they would get off their ass and finish 15. :sadpanda:
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Replaying VIII, I have a really special place in my soulhole for this game. I didn't like it all that much when it initially came out and about a year after IX released, I went back and played through the whole game in a few days and it ended up becoming one of my favorites. I still don't like the magic system all that much, but the fact that the monsters level alongside your character is an aspect that I really enjoy. It still keeps things balanced if you decide to grind for a while, but gives you the advantage through other attributes and skills. I also really like the tone of the game a lot, the more mature aspect coupled with that silly 'ole Zell and his antics, along with some other more nuanced comedy, makes for a very different Final Fantasy. Every FF has it's own tone and vibe, but I feel like this one is very peculiar for an FF title; especially the music, which I still listen to often. Uematsu has his own trademark sound, as does every FF along with him, and for as much as I love them all, this one stuck out as being the most groovy, laid back soundtrack of the games. I love it!
I wish they would get off their ass and finish 15. :sadpanda:
It's not as if they're not working on it. I'd much rather have a confident team finish the game full circle instead of rushing it half-assed and we get some oblong, wonky circle. I hate unfinished circles.
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I haven't liked any FF since X ( which I loved ) so I'm holding out out VII HD or a full remake ;D
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For the most part, same here. I enjoyed XIV for while it lasted, but I finished most of the content before the beta ended and the expansions are...well, more of the same with a new coat of paint. For $14 bucks a month, I simply didn't play it enough, is what it boiled down to though. I'm absolutely confident we'll get a VII remake eventually, but it won't be until SE is at the end of their rope. I mean, it's an absolute guaranteed platinum seller, even if the reviews are complete shit and every says it's a flop, it'd still sell like hotcakes. If they didn't take advantage of that, then they deserve to go out of business. That said, I don't think it'll happen for quite some time. I doubt it'll happen in the PS4's lifetime; then again if the console 'race/war/bullshit' continues the way it is, it might come sooner than later. I haven't seen a single game that makes me want to throw down a few hundred bucks for a system, let alone any kind of start to a library. Granted, it's still very early, but the start of a console's life has been slower and slower to start and quicker to end in the past decade...
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Replaying VIII, I have a really special place in my soulhole for this game.
I admit i probably can't give an unbiased opinion on VIII :heart
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Some people love VIII and some people hate VIII. I personally have always loved it and I remember hours upon hours of my childhood spent playing it.
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Some people love VIII and some people hate VIII. I personally have always loved it and I remember hours upon hours of my childhood spent playing it.
VIII was such a blur. I remember Squall being more complex, and the overall game feeling darker or more mature. And there was some great scenes and all.
I don't however remember being very emotionally tied in, and the card game is probably what ultimately soured me. I think took the easy route for Ultima (or whatever it's called) Weapon to have a special card of being untouchable for the battle. I think I had to reset and play someone 100 times for this card, on top of many other hours wasted on this ultimately boring side game/quest.
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Wait...an optional mini-game was the end for VIII for you? That's nuts. :lol I actually loved the card game in VIII and it's the only FF mini-game I've been invested in at all. That said, I still didn't play much at all. I've never been really interested in the mini-games of the series...
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Replaying VIII, I have a really special place in my soulhole for this game.
I admit i probably can't give an unbiased opinion on VIII :heart
This. :heart I guess except the fact I think the one twist is pretty odd but it manages to not sour my opinion of the game at all really.
And yeah Triple Triad is one of the best FF minigames hands down I find.
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No, I still finished the game. I just felt that the best way to beat the weapon was to have a certain card. Further, a lot of the mini-game if I recall was based on luck (or I sucked :lol). I owe it to the game to replay it, as clearly my disdain for the minigame destroyed my attention to the story!
Blitzball I thought was fantastic with FFX, and I looked forward to getting new players.
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My problem with VIII was the story. It was just a bit meh, didn't really make sense, and I didn't find the characters very interesting.
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It's one thing if you didn't like the story, but I'm not sure how it didn't make sense. I mean, when you get down to it...do any of them 'make sense'? But I followed it just fine. As well as any other. (https://www.trancefix.nl/images/smilies/camillaisgek/shrug.gif)
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Well, some make more sense than others. XIII-2 made the least sense. :lol
And when I say it didn't make sense, I don't mean that I couldn't follow it. Bit hard to explain maybe, but I think the story didn't really feel coherent. Things happened that seemed a bit random and out of the blue, like all the monsters came down to the planet, but nobody seemed to really care.
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For me VIII is easily the worst of the 3D Final Fantasies, and probably worse than most of the 2D ones.
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Well, some make more sense than others. XIII-2 made the least sense. :lol
And when I say it didn't make sense, I don't mean that I couldn't follow it. Bit hard to explain maybe, but I think the story didn't really feel coherent. Things happened that seemed a bit random and out of the blue, like all the monsters came down to the planet, but nobody seemed to really care.
Ah, gotcha. I've never played more than a couple hours of XIII so I wouldn't know but I expected the worst. :lol I've got hopes for XV though, even only a smidgen. In that regard, I agree, VIII had a bit too many deux ex machina moments towards the end. I can look past it with ease because I love the world and characters so much though so I can see how glaringly they'd be if you don't enjoy it as much.
Many people feel the same, Skeever. Don't leave it to Skeever.
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New trailer for XV
https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/18/tgs-2014-heres-the-new-final-fantasy-15-trailer?watch
I personally love the direction they are going in.
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XII: This game is cool as hell even if it's polarizing and Vaan is a boring main character. I adore the gameplay and the overalĺ feel of the game. Second favourite.
:tup
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For me VIII is easily the worst of the 3D Final Fantasies, and probably worse than most of the 2D ones.
X fits this description exactly IMO. VIII falls somewhere in the middle for me I think.
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For me it's IX. I know everyone loves IX but it's super meh by FF standards IMO.
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REJOICE, PC JRPG FANS! (https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/18/final-fantasy-13-trilogy-to-launch-on-pc-starting-next-month)
I don't give a shit what anyone's opinion is on this game, this is GREAT news for J/RPG fans who primarily play on PC. This means a XV release is even more likely than before and that this a chance to show SE that there are indeed JRPG fans who game on PC and that we deserve the games as well! VEHEMENT, TORTUROUS DEATH TO ALL EXCLUSIVES! OO-RAH!
I love it. I didn't LOVE XIII, but for the absolutely insane boner I have right now for any JRPG action, I will absolutely jump on this like white on rice. Awesomely awesome stuff. Shit, I'll get this solely to show SE that PC gamers need their JRPG action just as much as every other gamer. The ignorant, immature twats who purport the console wars must be raped and murdered immediately. :police: :angel: :xbones :yarr :yarr :yarr I hate the whole pedantic debacle it's become and it's run by kids who's balls aren't even visible and old men who are too greedy. This is fucking' revolutionary news right here; now we need XV on PC to usher in a new era of logic and gaming freedom. XOne, PS4 and PC. Fucking hell yes. NEVER thought I'd see the day. If you told a 14 year old me that this would be happening, I'd pee on your feet.
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New trailer for XV
https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/18/tgs-2014-heres-the-new-final-fantasy-15-trailer?watch
I personally love the direction they are going in.
I liked it, reminds me of Xenoblade.
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XII: This game is cool as hell even if it's polarizing and Vaan is a boring main character. I adore the gameplay and the overalĺ
Yeah, i really like XII, mostly just because of the gameplay. Still, VIII, IX and X are my favorites.
Ironically, i think XII = V, because i love them more for the gameplay and systems than the story and characters.
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For me it's IX. I know everyone loves IX but it's super meh by FF standards IMO.
My avatar implies otherwise :D
I loved IX because it was an absolute change of direction from the super srs VII and VIII. It was almost like they were also looking back to their roots, with a world and character design that was somewhat cartoonish. In the way that playing VII felt like watching an enormous epic movie, IX felt like reading an old tale from an old book. I loved the feeling.
Also, how awesome it is that Kuja (I'm super biased, obviously) for storyline purposes defeated the party not once but twice? Unlike other Final Fantasy games (and video games in general) where you become so strong you can actually overpower the villain most of the times, in this case for canonical purposes the villain is stronger than you.
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Although I do respect IX as a quality game, its just is not my cup of tea. I was pretty obsessed with VII and VIII though as they were more my style.
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My avatar implies otherwise :D
I loved IX because it was an absolute change of direction from the super srs VII and VIII. It was almost like they were also looking back to their roots, with a world and character design that was somewhat cartoonish.
With IX, Square aimed for a return to the Final Fantasy roots. It wasn't a coincidence.
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I really, really liked FFIX back when I initially played it. Never finished it though. I think I got up to near the ending and went 'Whoa, I still have a bunch of optional stuff to do...' and then never finished it. :lol
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My avatar implies otherwise :D
I loved IX because it was an absolute change of direction from the super srs VII and VIII. It was almost like they were also looking back to their roots, with a world and character design that was somewhat cartoonish.
With IX, Square aimed for a return to the Final Fantasy roots. It wasn't a coincidence.
It shows. And it delivered in that department.
The last FF game I played and somewhat enjoyed was FFXIII, but for the wrong reasons: First of all, I thought the story and the music were amazing... but the "recommended" thing during battles was awful. I mean, it was like you were able to beat the game by just spamming x and the joystick all the way through. I really hope we get a FF game with some of the raw magic that made the Playstation titles so special.
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Then don't do it. I played the entirety of XIII without auto-battle, which could be pretty frantic and entertaining.
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Then don't do it. I played the entirety of XIII without auto-battle, which could be pretty frantic and entertaining.
I know, but the mere fact that crap exists bugs the shit out of me.
The game was super easy, tho; with or without auto-battle. It was like watching a movie, or something.
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The last FF game I played and somewhat enjoyed was FFXIII, but for the wrong reasons: First of all, I thought the story and the music were amazing... but the "recommended" thing during battles was awful. I mean, it was like you were able to beat the game by just spamming x and the joystick all the way through. I really hope we get a FF game with some of the raw magic that made the Playstation titles so special.
Agreed with this, although why exactly are those "wrong reasons"? For me an RPG is as much about story and characters as about gameplay, if not more so. In FFXIII the gameplay is pretty weak, but the storytelling is so cinematic and I think they did a great job with the characters and music. Definitely a classic for me.
XIII-2, not so much. Gameplay was maybe slightly better, but the storytelling just didn't really make sense and didn't engage me at all. Haven't played the third game yet.
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XIII-2 was much better gameplay for the first half to third of the game, then it just dropped off severely. Much better structure, though, I'd take that structure any day over the X/XIII model.
Lightning Returns is the best of the bunch, in my opinion. I think using a guide would kill it, though. Challenging and lots of freedom, though if story is a top priority it will probably disappoint.
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The last FF game I played and somewhat enjoyed was FFXIII, but for the wrong reasons: First of all, I thought the story and the music were amazing... but the "recommended" thing during battles was awful. I mean, it was like you were able to beat the game by just spamming x and the joystick all the way through. I really hope we get a FF game with some of the raw magic that made the Playstation titles so special.
Agreed with this, although why exactly are those "wrong reasons"? For me an RPG is as much about story and characters as about gameplay, if not more so. In FFXIII the gameplay is pretty weak, but the storytelling is so cinematic and I think they did a great job with the characters and music. Definitely a classic for me.
XIII-2, not so much. Gameplay was maybe slightly better, but the storytelling just didn't really make sense and didn't engage me at all. Haven't played the third game yet.
Yeah, that didn't go out right :lol I meant that part of what makes a Final Fantasy game excellent is the difficulty. There's no greater feeling than beating up a boss you've been stuck with for days/weeks and seeing what impact it has on the story, and it's a shame FFXIII didn't have any of those moments because you could 'x' your way through the game. It's like playing any game with cheats, or something. It takes away a lot of the fun and the magic.
They're definitely not the wrong reasons, though. Music and cinematics have been an integral part of Final Fantasy since forever, and I'm glad Square is still delivering on that department.
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Regarding FFXIII: I seem to be in the minority here but I thought the story was awful. Or maybe it wasn't the story itself but rather in how it was told. Also, the characters were the most unlikeable bunch of people I've ever seen.
But I have high hope for the new one. I'm going in with no expectations whatsoever. :tup
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Regarding FFXIII: I seem to be in the minority here but I thought the story was awful. Or maybe it wasn't the story itself but rather in how it was told. Also, the characters were the most unlikeable bunch of people I've ever seen.
Story and characters are one the main reasons FFXIII is one of the least liked Final Fantasy ever. That and the linearity.
Yeah, that didn't go out right :lol I meant that part of what makes a Final Fantasy game excellent is the difficulty.
Imo, i never thought so because most FFs are easy if not counting optional enemies and bosses.
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Early FF games are hard. I think they've gone softer as they increase their numbers.
I remember playing FFV after being completely obsessed with FFX (which is fairly easy, including that ridiculous final boss fight in which all your party members have auto-life all the time) and being like OMFG this shit is hard.
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I always found FFIV the hardest of the games (not including optional superbosses). It's always given me lots of trouble.
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None of the main games are that hard. Grind fests? Yes. The difficulty is variable in just about all the games, depending on how much you chose to level up your characters as you progress. XIII wasn't easy, because you only make it easy by choosing to level up your characters. Early games aren't hard, because you can power level in all of them. There's no particular skill to winning these games, only skill in how you win.
In a way, this sort of makes XIII harder than the rest of the series, because leveling is given progressive limits. Players are prevented from vastly overpowering.
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Early FF games are hard. I think they've gone softer as they increase their numbers.
Yeah, that's why i said "most", not "all". The NES FFs are much harder than nowadays FFs but, for me, it doesn't matter much since there's both easy and not so easy games that are just as good (think Dark Souls x Super Mario World).
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Yeah I find the older games considerably tougher overall. But difficulty never really concerned me much overall with FF. FF8 is incredibly easy but it's my favourite game ever, so...
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Yeah I find the older games considerably tougher overall. But difficulty never really concerned me much overall with FF. FF8 is incredibly easy but it's my favourite game ever, so...
Again, my compliments, fellow FF8 lover. After all, we are a rare species :P
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Actually, I kinda like that game as well. :) God knows I really should, considering how many hours I've put into it. Something about the story just really appealed to me when I was young.
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I love FF 8 :heart
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Actually, I kinda like that game as well. :) God knows I really should, considering how many hours I've put into it. Something about the story just really appealed to me when I was young.
It still appeals to me a lot. Maybe because I felt the characters in this game were the most realistic, as in they really act like confused teens given too much responsibility. I love the way Squall develops throughout the story too. And the ending cutscenes are just perfect. I could fawn over this game forever but I'll leave it like such. :heart
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I dunno, one of the reasons I like VIII less is that some of the characters are pretty annoying. Might make it more realistic, but it's still annoying. :lol
Same thing in XII, and in both cases the story just wasn't good enough to keep me really engaged. Which isn't to say I disliked the games, just why I rank them lower.
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As much as i love FF8, i find most of the main team pretty forgettable, Squall and Rinoa being the only ones who really matters when it comes to the story. I would rather have Laguna, Seifer or Edea.
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Holy summons batman (from the FF15 demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3N_cAiwhWw
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Final fantasy Games I have played :
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
Final Fantasy 10
Final Fantasy 10-2
I've seen my friend play 14 : A Realm Reborn and there was so much shit on the screen ( HUD wise ). No thanks.
My Top 3 out of the ones i've played.
1. Final Fantasy 7
2. Final Fantasy 10
3. Final Fantasy 9
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I'm currently forcing myself to finish FF8 (for the 3rd or 4th time). I'm up to the final dungeon. This game is so laughably piss easy if you don't level up. I killed Ultima Weapon with one or two Renzokukens :lol
Holy summons batman (from the FF15 demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3N_cAiwhWw
Holy shit that looks amazing!
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Damn I totally forgot about Type-0 and I'm broke :lol. Wish I had remembered to save some money for it.
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Early FF games are hard. I think they've gone softer as they increase their numbers.
I remember playing FFV after being completely obsessed with FFX (which is fairly easy, including that ridiculous final boss fight in which all your party members have auto-life all the time) and being like OMFG this shit is hard.
Yup, agreed, as others seem to. After playing the PS1 FF's, I went back and played FF1... ouch. Having to go back to town early game to revive party members was one thing that stuck in my memory. I mean, the fact that the US got EasyType of FFIV is telling too I guess.
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Holy summons batman (from the FF15 demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3N_cAiwhWw
Holy crap! That looks sweeeeeet. I'm actually kind of excited for the new title, I hope it brings the magic back. :metal
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I don't think he's big enough.
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I don't think he's big enough.
That's what she said.
:'(
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Just recently finished III and X, finally, so now I've beaten all the FF games from 1-10, as well as XIII & XIV. I probably won't play XI, ever, but i have XII and pretty excited to get into it soon (although i may wait until the HD version comes out). Anyway, my ranking today is probably something like this:
1. XIII
2. VI
3. XIV
4. VIII
5. V
6. I
7. III
8. IX
9. VII
10. X
11. IV
12. II
I'd say I LOVED the games ranked all the way down to FFIX. I like the rest okay, but i was never a fan of VII, IV was way too hard (played the PS Hard Type version), X was pretty boring as it was mostly story and not enough fighting (although i liked that they tried something different with the fights in this one), and II is just pretty bad (could be good if they didn't get rid of the level system from the first one). Anyway... those are my thoughts kn Final Fantasy today.
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FFVII Remake. Pumped.
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Shit's going to rule hard.
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I will pick up the mobile port. Not getting into modern consoles, unless they port the remake to Mac OS in less than three years. But I'm excited to see what they change, and how much. There is some stuff they could have fleshed out more, and modern machines will have no problem playing a longer game.
Has anyone played or seen the expanded FF7 games? are the stories worth a damn?
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I just downloaded and messed around with the new FF 15 demo. Its was neat i guess. Very short.
But I am ready for sept 30th for the real deal.
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Boy, they're really pushing this hard, aren't they? A five-part anime prequel series (https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xv-gets-a-five-episode-anime-prequel-1768142109), an animated movie with famous actors voicing the characters (https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-movie-coming-this-year-with-game-of-thron-1768144650)...
I just hope the game can look up to all that. I so, so so, SO want this to be as good and magical as Final Fantasy used to be...
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Just got a PS4 and was wondering if anyone has played Type-0 and would recommend it....? I'll probably get it anyway, but I haven't heard too much about it.
And I'm pretty pumped about FF15 in September.
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Just got a PS4 and was wondering if anyone has played Type-0 and would recommend it....? I'll probably get it anyway, but I haven't heard too much about it.
And I'm pretty pumped about FF15 in September.
Type O is junk. Only positive is that it comes with a playable demo of Final Fantasy 15.
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Final Fantasy VI remake plz.
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Just got a PS4 and was wondering if anyone has played Type-0 and would recommend it....? I'll probably get it anyway, but I haven't heard too much about it.
And I'm pretty pumped about FF15 in September.
Type O is junk. Only positive is that it comes with a playable demo of Final Fantasy 15.
I'll have to disagree... Type-0 is better than anything we've seen so far from FFXV.
And yeah this new demo continues to leave me underwhelmed.
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Final Fantasy VI remake plz.
That would be cool, but
Final Fantasy XII remake on steam plz.
FTFM
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Just got a PS4 and was wondering if anyone has played Type-0 and would recommend it....? I'll probably get it anyway, but I haven't heard too much about it.
And I'm pretty pumped about FF15 in September.
Type O is junk. Only positive is that it comes with a playable demo of Final Fantasy 15.
Yeah, I don't care for it much. Still need to check out the FFXV demo. Been so busy playing Destiny, no time for anything else. :lol
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I bought Type O as well and played about an hour of it, but didn't really like it, to be honest.
And this is the year they'll finally release Final Fantasy XV!! :metal :metal :metal
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New trailer for XV from tokyo game show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j8IAXM4jfk
I want this so bad, oh my god.
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I guess I'll dissent. I absolutely love Type 0.
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Just a few more days till XV. I haven't looked this forward to a game in a long long time.
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Yup, can't wait.
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Saw a commercial for it and was like...wow...
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I've seen nothing more than a couple of screenshots but I'm still feeling the hype. :metal
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:biggrin:
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Picking up my pre-order of FFXV today. :biggrin: :2metal:
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I'll borrow it from my local library if they have a copy. Nowhere near confident enough to drop $80 on this.
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In about an hour I'll be home and popping this baby in my PS4!
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(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-29%20at%206.28.25%20PM_zps63oddqfb.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-29%20at%206.28.25%20PM_zps63oddqfb.png.html)
Oh my god, there it is. After years upon years upon years of waiting, its finally here. Let's get this party started :metal
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I'm not a final fantasy fan but I have a buddy of mine who told me he got a PS3 for Final Fantasy XV
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I'm not a final fantasy fan but I have a buddy of mine who told me he got a PS3 for Final Fantasy XV
If I didn't have a PS4 already, I would have certainly bought one just for this game alone.
I am just two hours in and with-in the first 5 mins, you have a huge open world available to you, MUCH differently than XIII which didn't open up until the back end.
I am loving the whole road trip, brotherhood aspect. Its fantastic. The combat is very fast pace. Easy to learn, difficult to master, which I am down with. The world is gorgeous and I have barely seen less than 1% of it.
This is easily going to be a 100+ hour playthrough and I haven't enjoyed a Final Fantasy like this since VIII which was 1999...
I recommend it for both fans of the series and people who have never played it before.
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Agreed. Phenomenal job!
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It feels surreal that this actually exists now. I am SO getting this! :metal
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Glad to hear people are digging the game from a gameplay perspective. Before I get too excited, I'll be waiting to hear what it's like in terms of story/narrative/characters. I've said this before but since FFIX the games have never got both right. For me, X and XIII were strong narratively but really linear, while XII and XIII-2 were more fun gameplay-wise (especially XII) but lacking in the story department. Still haven't played Lightning Returns - need to get onto that at some point!
Anyway so yeah, I'll wait and see. I don't yet have a PS4 anyway, but it's getting towards the point where I will want to buy one in the not too distant future.
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Well I'd say they nailed it all. Not sure about narrative at this point, but the premise is really strong. The the characters are really strong. And, finally, so far the combat is great. Definitely the update FF needed.
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I started playing yesterday and so far I'm very pleased with it. Still trying to get the battle system controls down but that will get better with time as enemies become more difficult.
I've been a FF fan since the early 90's playing on the Super NES. So cool how they did the retro characters in this game when comparing gear and seeing who can equip. That is awesome.
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Like 8 hours in at this point and yes, I will admit that the story is not as sweet as it could be, but it aint no fal'cie, La'cie non-sense. Here's one kingdom, at war with another kingdom. something I can follow, thank you for that. Ultimately, since everything else in the game is really cool and fun, the story lacking is something that doesn't bother me.
But tonight I decided to watch Kingsglaive since I heard it adds more to the story and it definitely does and was pretty fun to watch as well.
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Ok so at most I've played an hour of final fantasy 7. From what I gather each final fantasy is its own self contained story right? Do they take place in the same universe?
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For the most part they take place on different worlds. There are some direct sequels, like X/X-2 and the XIII series, also Tactics and XII take place in the same world.
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Ok so at most I've played an hour of final fantasy 7. From what I gather each final fantasy is its own self contained story right? Do they take place in the same universe?
This is the most friendly game to newcomers they've ever done.
Like 8 hours in at this point and yes, I will admit that the story is not as sweet as it could be, but it aint no fal'cie, La'cie non-sense. Here's one kingdom, at war with another kingdom. something I can follow, thank you for that. Ultimately, since everything else in the game is really cool and fun, the story lacking is something that doesn't bother me.
But tonight I decided to watch Kingsglaive since I heard it adds more to the story and it definitely does and was pretty fun to watch as well.
Works fine, though. Consistent world, believable plot twists. In retrospect, a lot of the "insane!" FF stories of the past relied on plot twists that might not be as easy for an adult to swallow... lol. That, or like XII, just too complicated to follow enjoyable.
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Honestly, I like the intricate politics of XII.
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Honestly, I like the intricate politics of XII.
I liked it in principle, but the story just didn't make a lot of sense by the end and most of the characters weren't all that interesting. Not terrible, but below par for the FF series.
I really liked the story and characters in XIII.
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I was bored, so i took a picture of my final fantasies
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-04%20at%207.22.37%20PM_zpscbdw27ge.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-04%20at%207.22.37%20PM_zpscbdw27ge.png.html)
Its been one hell of a ride
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Looks like you need to get your hands on Final Fantasy Tactics :tup
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I've tried to play Tactics a few times in the past. Just never clicked unfortunately.
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XIV?
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The MMO's look really cool. I sadly just haven't had the time to play them though. Maybe later down the line.
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I've tried to play Tactics a few times in the past. Just never clicked unfortunately.
It took some time to click for me, but I think it's the best game in the entire FF series. The story and soundtrack are brilliant. The only criticism I have of the game is that it gets too easy towards the end. I just played through it on my PS Vita for the first time in 10+ years, and it was just as much of a blast as it was back when I played it for the first time in the late 90's.
As for the MMO's, I did play both XI and XIV. XI was also one of my favorite games ever made, but it was so ridiculously time consuming that there's no way I'd ever be able to play a game like that now that I'm not in high school any more :lol I thought XIV was cool as well, but it didn't have the same charm or community that XI did. It felt like they wanted to make it as similar to WoW as possible and simplify as much as they possibly could.
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Wow -- I'm the only one whose favorite game is V? I admit it's not the most outstanding in the series but for me it has such charm and a nostalgic value for me (it was the first one I ever played, and for years IX overthrew it as my favorite, but V is back to being my favorite). I love the characters and the job system and the world is really cool to me. I miss that kind of Final Fantasy.
Although I really, really do want a PS4 and Final Fantasy XV, I find it hard to swallow so much modernism and scifi technology that has come to dominate the series. Can we please go back to a full throttle sword-and-sorcery fantasy adventure without the advanced technology (or at least so much of it)? I liked FF13 when you finally got to Gran Pulse but otherwise the setting really aggravated me (among many other things about it).
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Wow -- I'm the only one whose favorite game is V? I admit it's not the most outstanding in the series but for me it has such charm and a nostalgic value for me (it was the first one I ever played, and for years IX overthrew it as my favorite, but V is back to being my favorite). I love the characters and the job system and the world is really cool to me. I miss that kind of Final Fantasy.
Although I really, really do want a PS4 and Final Fantasy XV, I find it hard to swallow so much modernism and scifi technology that has come to dominate the series. Can we please go back to a full throttle sword-and-sorcery fantasy adventure without the advanced technology (or at least so much of it)? I liked FF13 when you finally got to Gran Pulse but otherwise the setting really aggravated me (among many other things about it).
Well, plenty of that on PS4 as well. Ni No Kuni 2 is coming out. Tales of Zestira there. Disgea 5 for tactics. Bloodborne if you like the gothic/medieval/super hard route. Atelier Sophie for lighter stuff. And then there's World of Final Fantasy, which is just a nice, kiddie homage to the series. Finally, FFXIV, is pretty high fantasy (though I understand MMO isn't everyone's favorite thing).
And the best one of them all probably, Persona 5, in April. Though that's definitely not sword and sorcery.
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Wow -- I'm the only one whose favorite game is V? I admit it's not the most outstanding in the series but for me it has such charm and a nostalgic value for me (it was the first one I ever played, and for years IX overthrew it as my favorite, but V is back to being my favorite). I love the characters and the job system and the world is really cool to me. I miss that kind of Final Fantasy.
Although I really, really do want a PS4 and Final Fantasy XV, I find it hard to swallow so much modernism and scifi technology that has come to dominate the series. Can we please go back to a full throttle sword-and-sorcery fantasy adventure without the advanced technology (or at least so much of it)? I liked FF13 when you finally got to Gran Pulse but otherwise the setting really aggravated me (among many other things about it).
Well, plenty of that on PS4 as well. Ni No Kuni 2 is coming out. Tales of Zestira there. Disgea 5 for tactics. Bloodborne if you like the gothic/medieval/super hard route. Atelier Sophie for lighter stuff. And then there's World of Final Fantasy, which is just a nice, kiddie homage to the series. Finally, FFXIV, is pretty high fantasy (though I understand MMO isn't everyone's favorite thing).
And the best one of them all probably, Persona 5, in April. Though that's definitely not sword and sorcery.
I used to be heavily into gaming years and years ago but these days I just don't have time, sadly. I want to play the new entry in FF but getting into brand new series is somehow very difficult for me nowadays. If I did get a PS4 I'd get FFXV and... Probably none of those, although I enjoy RPGs. Games these days are so freaking big that I'm still exploring new things to do in Skyrim 5 years after buying it. I'll load up Diablo 3 every few months and binge on that, but between Stardew Valley, Terraria, GTA5, and Skyrim (throw in a bunch of old SNES/N64/GBA games I'll replay), that pretty much covers my gaming needs these days. Til the next GTA and Elder Scrolls come out anyway :biggrin: I was super into MMOs many years ago in middle and high school. Can't justify losing my life to them again!
But I do looove some Final Fantasy. Would love to play 14 if I could keep my time spent playing it in check. 13 was such a disappointment that I had to go back and replay Final Fantasy 1 which I genuinely enjoy (not the original release, far, far too buggy and frustrating). Then again, I'm a sucker for the retro 80s/90s game aesthetics and music. I hope whatever XVI ends up being, it doesn't take them 10 years to make.
Also, maybe just let me fight an actual dragon and give me a wizard character to play. Give me all the scifi you want, just give me that much!
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I don't have any issues with checking my time on XIV, but basically I'm married and have a full time job, so by default I don't have too much time to waste on it.
I'll say that the lead in from level 1-50 can be hit or miss, but the end game is awesome. And all the classic FF you could want. There's a job system, so you can level different jobs with the same character. Tired of melee fighting and jumping around like a Dragoon? Work on your Black Mage instead. Or your Summoner. Or your Archer. Or your Paladin. You can do everything with one character.
I just love running dungeons as a classic FF class, with other people playing as other classic FF roles. Even if I can only run 1-2 dungeons per night... :lol
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Must resist urge... been MMO clean for a year... must resist...!!
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I was bored, so i took a picture of my final fantasies
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-04%20at%207.22.37%20PM_zpscbdw27ge.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-04%20at%207.22.37%20PM_zpscbdw27ge.png.html)
Its been one hell of a ride
No X-2 :clap:
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Yeah, there was no way that was happening. I rented it when it was first out, but it never went past the one time, lol.
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So I've played about 10 hours of Final Fantasy XV and man, are there many side quests. They're not that interesting though. The main quest is not that interesting either. :lol
But there is still a great deal of charm about it. And I kinda like the combat system. And the world in itself is gorgeous and really fun to explore! :tup It surprised me that the game opened up right away like it did.
I'll probably not play too many of the side quests, but I will definitely finish this. :tup
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Bro was waiting ages for FF XV and he also finished the main quest in a week or so. He said if you have 99 Phoenix Down and Potions - you basically can't lose any battle.
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I basically disagree with Lynxo. Main quest is great (especially if you've done your homework, watched the anime, watched Kingsglaive, etc). But do agree about side quests - they're lame, especially in a post Witcher 3 world.
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As i've said elsewhere... I don't go and watch a film to find out afterwards that some plot hole was explained in a prequel comic or novel etc...
If it's not in the FILM then it didn't happen as far as i'm concerned.
A game or film should be a stand-alone thing.
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:D
My bro sent me FFXV for an early Christmas present. I'll play it and report back !
- Please install for half an hour
- Please update for one hour
Remember when you could just play a game immediately ? :facepalm:
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My bro sent me FFXV for an early Christmas present. I'll play it and report back !
- Please install for half an hour
- Please update for one hour
Remember when you could just play a game immediately ? :facepalm:
I was thinking the exact same thing when I first put it in.
After waiting all day at work, then sitting in traffic and finally getting home excited to play a game, just to have to sit there for 2 hours seriously sucks.
Back in the day I put final fantasy 7 into the PS1 and I was playing with in a few mins. That's something I definitely miss about those days.
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I've got FF7 HD on my PS4. I can play it it even less time.
My bro had a PS3 and he hated it. Any time he wanted to play any game - he had to update it for an hour. Every time.
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I've got FF7 HD on my PS4. I can play it it even less time.
My bro had a PS3 and he hated it. Any time he wanted to play any game - he had to update it for an hour. Every time.
The PS3 updates all the bloody time, it's really annoying.
Does the PS4 update less?
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Yes a lot less.
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Final Fantasy is awesome. My parents were into Final Fantasy and they played the first released games and have bought every single FF game that was made.
I wasn't introduced until Final Fantasy XIII, when my namesake Serah Farron came out and I have been playing FF since then.
It really is a brilliant game and among my favorites.
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Here are some thoughts on the games I've played:
FF1 - I've beaten the PSX version three times. Very grind heavy, and I always get lost and need to use a walkthrough. For some reason, that never bothered me. Maybe I'll play it again someday.
FF3 - I only beat the PSP version once. I did have fun leveling my character's jobs, but I wasn't that invested in the story. The final dungeon almost made me give up and makes me not want to replay it -- very long, no save points and several difficult bosses in a row.
FF4 - I only beat it once on the PSP, but I liked it.
FF6 - I gave up at the last dungeon in the PSX version. I took a break and couldn't get back into the game, and all my characters seemed weak because I wasn't changing espers when they leveled up to get stat boosts. I greatly preferred the first half of the game to the second. I liked the story, though.
FF7 - I've beaten it three times, and it's a lot of fun. My second favorite.
FF8 - I got to the final boss at level 99 or 100, couldn't beat it, realized my junctions weren't good enough and gave up. I hated the level scaling, and I didn't like any of the ways to get stronger in this game (drawing spells, playing Triple Triad, refining items, etc.). I'll never return to this one.
FF9 - I beat it three times. It was the first one I played, and it's still my favorite in the series.
FF10 - Because I played the sequel first and didn't like it, I held off on this until playing the Vita version earlier this year. I liked it quite a bit, but I don't know if I'll ever play it again.
FF10-2 - I played this on the PS2 several years ago. I hated the story and atmosphere, and I didn't really like its open-ended structure. Battle system was decent, though. Aside from Mimana Iyar Chronicle, it's my least favorite RPG that I've ever finished.
FF13-2 - I only played for about seven hours, but I didn't like it at all. I thought the battle system was too fast, and I didn't like the open-ended gameplay. It probably didn't help that I never played FF13 and didn't know what was going on with the story.
Lightning Returns - The open-ended structure seemed cool, and I liked that I could restart with all my stats if I was too weak for the final boss or ran out of time. I just gave up after several hours because I didn't like the battle system, unfortunately.
Dissidia - I don't like fighting games, so I never got into this and only played a little bit.
I own the PSX version of Final Fantasy Tactics, and I need to play it someday.
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I've played them all, but I will just talk about the ones I spent significant time with:
FF VI - My second favorite game of the whole series and truly incredible
FF VII - My first FF and also my favorite game ever made. Absolutely love it beyond words
FF VIII - Loved it at the time and still do I guess, but it goes WAY too off the rails in the 3rd act with the whole time travel, orphanage stuff
FF IX - I know people love this game and I respect that, but I don't like it. I love the steam punk, sci fi type of FF games and this game was not
for me
FF X - I played the crap out of it, but in retrospect, its just ok to me. Getting rid of a flyable airship was bullshit in my opinion. I was so
disappointed when I saw that you fast traveled by picking a location on a list.
FF XII - Seemed good, but I got bored and stopped playing it.
FF XIII- The only one I outright hate.
FF XV- The first FF that I have loved in a long ass time. It aint perfect, but its heart is in the right place and I am really enjoying it
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FF XV- The first FF that I have loved in a long ass time. It aint perfect, but its heart is in the right place and I am really enjoying it
Yeah for the most part it seems to be anti-annoying. I like driving to places just to see the scenery and the characters just chilling out.
Also love that you can return to your car and don't have to hike miles & get into scraps you don't really want.
The camera can be a bit BS when you have battles in small places. When I fought Titan I had NO IDEA what was happening.
LOVE that you can do quests on the side if you can't be bothered with the main mission.
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HAHA.
Just went into the base to get the Regalia back - then it said Ramuh wants to help. Summoned Ramuh. ENTIRE BASE OBLITERATED.
Regalia reclaimed :lol
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HAHA.
Just went into the base to get the Regalia back - then it said Ramuh wants to help. Summoned Ramuh. ENTIRE BASE OBLITERATED.
Regalia reclaimed :lol
Just did that quest as well. I know it's Final Fantasy we're talking about here but the summons seems extra ridiculous. :rollin
Also, since I last posted, I have gotten more invested in the main story. It does pick up. :tup
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UGH.
Just defeated Leviathan and now everything is fucking miserable. :( Now I don't know If I wanna carry on playing.
I'll probably do as many side quests as I can and then just plough through the main story as quickly as possible....
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UGH.
Just defeated Leviathan and now everything is fucking miserable. :( Now I don't know If I wanna carry on playing.
I'll probably do as many side quests as I can and then just plough through the main story as quickly as possible....
It goes by pretty quickly after that, and you can always return to main story during the "linear" parts. If you are strong enough to keep going, I'd recommend just getting to Chapter 14, and then going back as you want.
Also, damn Casino-95, I'm surprised you've stuck with the series!
FF - Played on PSX, but not enough to judge
FFII - Played on PSX, but not enough to judge
FFIII - Never Played
FFIV - Played on PSX - LOVED it
FFV - Never Played
FFVI - Liked it, thought some elements were weak though. Never finished.
FFVII - My first one. Of course, I love it.
FF Tactics - One of my favorites!
FFVIII - Didn't like it on my first try. Started it again recently and am liking it more. Yet to finish.
FFIX - Really liked it, but my save got corrupted near the end. Will have to totally restart at some point.
FFX - Loved it when it came out, didn't quite hold up on the HD replay.
FFX-2 - Was enjoyable, but I never finished it.
FFXI - Never played
FFXII - Liked it, but did not complete. Came out when I was in college. Looking forward to the HD re-release. :P
FFXIII - Really liked it/loved it by endgame. Underrated game imo.
FFXIII-2 - Also really enjoyed this one, though I didn't finish it.
FFXIII-3 - Never played.
FFXIV - Awesome game, best MMORPG I've ever played.
World of FF - Really fun nostalgia boost. A bit grindy. Probably better as portable.
FFXV - So far, really like it!
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Oh why not, I'll play too.
FF1 - Finished with a walkthrough. Solid experience for its time but way too grindy
FF2 - Never played
FF3 - Never played
FFIV - AWESOME game!
FFV - Awesome, but flawed in the story department.
FFVI - Masterpiece. Almost flawless.
FFVII - Another masterpiece, introduced me to Final Fantasy and JRPG's in general. A bit dated now, especially graphics wise. But due to nostalgia and personal reasons, this will forever be my favorite.
FFVIII - Good, even great, but nowhere near the two previous entries
FFIX - Another masterpiece. I loved the callbacks to previous games
FFX - Awesome game, with the voice overs being the only big negative.
FFXI - Never played
FFXII - Good game, but lacking in the story department. Loved the battle system though.
FFXIII - Hated it, with a burning passion. Cringe worthy character, poorly told story, overly complicated for no reason at all. The battle system might have been good, but it took way too long to get interesting and introduce the elements to it that were actually good. Never played any of its sequels.
FFXIV - Played some of it, like it. Need to play more of it
FFXV - So far, its a good entry. Hoping it to get even better soon.
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My top 3
VI - Best game ever made.
VII - Incredible
X - Awesome
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Ooooooo, I wanna play!!
FFI - Grew up on this game for NES. Love it to pieces. Beaten it a handful of times on NES and PSX.
FFII - Played it briefly on PSX when it first came out, beat it on NES with an emulator and translated ROM. Leveling system is terrible, and the final castle would be WAY too hard without save-states (almost every battle is with an enemy that instantly kills). Probably my least favorite.
FFIII - Beat it recently on NES with an emulator and translated ROM. Really fun game, loved the job system and the story was pretty good. Again, the final castle is way too hard, and would probably give me fits without save-states.
FFIV - Beat this on PSX. I felt underpowered throughout most of the game as the PSX version is 'hard-type' compared to the SNES version. Got to the final boss at Lvl 70 and lasted two rounds. Had to grind to 80 in order to beat him. So that was really frustrating. Other than that, it's not a terrible game. I liked having 5 characters, even though you never get to choose them.
FFV - One of my favorites. Beat this on PSX. Great job system, really perfected what they tried to do in FF3. Yeah, the story kinda blows, but the gameplay more than makes up for it.
FFVI - Nostalgia plays a big role for with this one, but I still feel it's Top 3. Story is unreal. Gameplay is unreal (albeit, a bit easy thanks to the Esper system). Beaten it many times on SNES and PSX.
FFVII - Never got the hype for this one. And never got past the first disc until recently. First disc drags big time. Materia system is not my favorite. I will say the game picks up big time on disc two. Beat it once.
FFVIII - Beat this recently. I really enjoyed it. I loved farming all the spells so I could make my characters stronger. every time I found a new spell was like Christmas haha. Anyway, the story was a bit convoluted and kinda reminded me of Chrono Cross... it was that confusing! But probably has my favorite end boss fight and ending of all the Final Fantasies.
FFIX - Fun throwback game. Beat this on PS3 (PSX Classic). I liked how you got abilited from weapons and armor in this one. And yes, the callback to the earlier games was a lot of fun. Probably my favorite of the PSX trilogy, although it's very close with FF8.
FFX - Played/Beat the HD version on PS3. Very linear, but that's okay. Loved the fighting engine, where you had access to all your characters at any time. But, for some reason, I wasn't a huge fan of this game. Too much story? Too much fighting? I can't recall at this point. Something didn't sit well with me though. OH. And fuck Chocobo racing in this game. Just... okay?
FFXI - Never played and most likely never will. Back when this first came out I had neither a PS2 or a desire to ever play an MMO.
FFXII - Only played this briefly. Will play the HD remake when that happens.
FFXIII - Easily my favorite Final Fantasy game. First one I had played since FF7 at the time, and only third I had ever beaten (I have since gone back and played and beaten the rest of the above). It took 180 hours, but I platinum'd this game, and also both it's sequels since. Loved the fast paced fights, loved the hunts and the end of the game, loved the story, the characters, EVERYTHING.
FFXIV - Honestly, this was a great game. This is the only MMO I've ever played, and probably won't play another one unless it's FF. But it was fun while it lasted. It was cool to see the job system from FF3&5 make a return, and it was really cool how it was utilized. But once I beat the main campaign, I could fathom spending money every month for endgame content. Just not my bag. Make it free to play and I'm there all day.
FFXV - Loving it so far. Feels very fresh. Almost feel overwhelmed since I've played 18 hours or so and am still on Chapter 3, haha. I love doing side-quests. This will be fun for a long time.
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Also wanted to slip into the conversation the rumors about the 30th Anniversary next year. Apparently all these games are coming to PS4 some time in 2017:
Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary Collection (FF1-9, including official NES translations of 2&3 for the very first time, and 2 versions of each game from 1-6 - original and most recent)
Final Fantasy VII Remake (Episode One)
Final Fantasy XII HD: The Zodiac Age
Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy
All this came from a simple google search, but there's a lot of rumors, and I love every single one.
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There are still a handful that I've either never played, or only played for a few hours like IX, X, XII and XIII. This thread reminds me that I really need to go back and give some of these another shot. As of now though, my favorites are Tactics, VI, VII and XI. It's a shame that I could never really go back to XI because it's not the same game as it was 10+ years ago. It's one of my favorite game of all time and I've probably invested more time in it than any other game. I just played Tactics again on my PS Vita and was reminded why it's a top 3 game of all time for me... it still holds up surprisingly well and the soundtrack is just brilliant.
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FFXIII - Easily my favorite Final Fantasy game. First one I had played since FF7 at the time, and only third I had ever beaten (I have since gone back and played and beaten the rest of the above). It took 180 hours, but I platinum'd this game, and also both it's sequels since. Loved the fast paced fights, loved the hunts and the end of the game, loved the story, the characters, EVERYTHING.
FFXIV - Honestly, this was a great game. This is the only MMO I've ever played, and probably won't play another one unless it's FF. But it was fun while it lasted. It was cool to see the job system from FF3&5 make a return, and it was really cool how it was utilized. But once I beat the main campaign, I could fathom spending money every month for endgame content. Just not my bag. Make it free to play and I'm there all day.
Commenting on these two. First off, loving the XIII love. Yeah, I (like many others) abandoned it when it came out. But last year I decided to give it another earnest attempt, and it won me over. The story is a bit of a mess, and the game is too linear, but the characters, graphics, battle system, and music are all stunning. XIII has a hell of a lot of heart, and I do regret never beating XIII-2, since Serah turned out to be one of the best characters in the series.
As far as XIV being "free to play" goes, I hope not. Or make the base game up to level 50 "free", and still charge subscriptions. Or just discount the sub a little bit. Honestly, any other "free to play" game I've played is great for about a year or so, before quality goes kaput. Easier for me to justify a monthly sub than it is to spend real money gaining an upper hand in a "free" game.
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UGH.
Just defeated Leviathan and now everything is fucking miserable. :( Now I don't know If I wanna carry on playing.
I'll probably do as many side quests as I can and then just plough through the main story as quickly as possible....
It goes by pretty quickly after that, and you can always return to main story during the "linear" parts. If you are strong enough to keep going, I'd recommend just getting to Chapter 14, and then going back as you want.
I'll try but you know that feeling when you're enjoying something and then something just stops you dead in your tracks ? That part on the train when Gladio just yells abuse at Noctis ?
Was like a gut punch. Left me with a bad feeling the rest of the day. Coupled with the abuse he *continues* to give you and Ignis now being blind and trying to
walk around that area at night in the rain and getting lost and getting yelled at for running ahead. Oh fuck this :lol
- Also I had absolutely no items left and that Big Plant Boss was murdering me. I sold a lot of stuff for items and im gonna do side missions for a while :)
Hehe - as soon as you left that continent on the boat - I knew that was the end of the side missions, driving around in Regalia and camping out.
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Yeah, that part was a gut punch. However, that whole section feels like it's supposed to hit you with some very concentrated emotional content. Really makes things sweeter later on ;D
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I was already a bit emotional after that part where Prompto confesses that he feels worthless compared to Noctis.
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Also, damn Casino-95, I'm surprised you've stuck with the series!
I realize I'm hard on some of what I consider the lesser entries, but I'm a fan of the series overall.
This is roughly the order I played them in:
9 (loved)
7 (loved)
8 (absolutely hated mechanics, story was okay; got stuck at final boss)
X-2 (okay mechanics, terrible story and tone)
1 (fun)
6 (liked first half, didn't enjoy second half as much and gave up at final dungeon)
4 (really liked)
Dissidia (only a few hours; not my genre, so no hard feelings)
3 (really liked until the final dungeon, still finished)
13-2 (couldn't get into after a few hours)
13-3 (couldn't get into after a few hours)
X (really liked)
So, no more than two in a row that I didn't like. Plus, starting with my two current favorites certainly helped. If my first four games were 8, X-2 and the sequels to 13, I certainly wouldn't have stuck around, though.
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Holy Moly that tower where you rescue Prompto goes on a bit !
As soon as I could call Umbra I went back to Lucis for a bit..
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Holy Moly that tower where you rescue Prompto goes on a bit !
As soon as I could call Umbra I went back to Lucis for a bit..
Chapter 13 is pretty infamous.
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It was like the Shinra building in 7 but way way way longer :P
I didn't HATE it but I just wanted it to be over so I could go to bed.
As soon as it said " you can now call Umbra ". I went to a dorm and went back to Lucis immediately :P
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I did all of Vyv Missions in Lestallum yesterday. If you didn't know - he has super easy missions for LOTS of EXP and Gil.
He paid so much Gil and EXP that after every mission - I went to Altissia and saved in the hotel there for 3X exp ( but 30,000 Gil ).
I went up 3 levels in one go once.
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The problem with Chapter 13 is that it just doesn't fit in the game.
You don't know where you are, what you're doing, how you got there. There's a lot of drama leading up to it that got pretty sidelined, so your motivation to go through this maze is already pretty low. You don't even know what the place is supposed to look like.
The beginning of Chapter 14 feels great after all the misery of 13 though.
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I'm only begging chapter 3 but so far it's fun. Love the graphics and the setting of the game. It's like playing a FF version of GTA, haha. I love the gameplay as its like 12 but Better. I haven't really explored much, which I should've before doing the other mission but oh well.
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My bro played it before me and said - do all the side missions as they're more fun than the story :P
I'm glad chapter 13 is over.
I just racked up like 20,000 EXP and so i sold some stuff to get 30,000 Gil then went to stay in Altissia because it gives you 3x EXP for $30,000
Pricey but worth it. All my player went up 3 levels in one go.
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My bro told me about a thing you can do to get massive amounts of gil and EXP.
it's not a cheat. it's an in game thing.
I went from level 50 to 70 in one day.
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Finished :o :'( :'(
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No spoilers please....
I'm having fun playing all the sidequests. I hated the professor one with the frogs. Overall a fun game barely on chapter 5.
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Fuck the frogs.
I gave up after 4. Was looking for the final one for days. In game and in IRL too.
No spoilers but Chapter 13 is super miserable but keep at it. It does get better.
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Fuck the frogs.
I gave up after 4. Was looking for the final one for days. In game and in IRL too.
No spoilers but Chapter 13 is super miserable but keep at it. It does get better.
The last ones I knew were gonna be somewhere stupid. And sure enough they were. Just search during the morning all around the edges.
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I actually JUST found it :D
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I actually JUST found it :D
Be prepared for the Yellow ones.
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Finally finished myself. Beautiful game, I really loved it. Watched some explainers on YouTube and now I want even more. Def will rewatch everything and read the novelization before starting a NG+.
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I actually JUST found it :D
Be prepared for the Yellow ones.
That's what it was. Took days.
I read that the DLC is going to allow you to start the game over with the stats you finished the game with. :D I really hope so. That'll be funny.
But I really just want a whole plethora of new side-quests and a lot more rare coins and debased banknotes to find for the EXP trick.
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How to get loads of EXP & Gil...
0. Go to Altissia ( Moghoo Cafe ) and eat the Lasagne for 100% EXP
1. Equip Noct with the Moogle Charm.
2. Combine 1x Fire with all of one kind of rare coin / debased banknotes. Anything that gives you bonus EXP.
3. Go to Ravatogh shop. Ask for the Verinas Mart Hunt.
4. Go to the Wyverns & use the fire you combined with all your rare coins. Then Kill the Wyverns.
5. Go back to the shop and turn in the hunt. Then sell all your Wyvern feathers. You 'll have atleast 4 and they sell for 1,600 gil a time.
6. Repeat 3 - 5 until you are out of fire/EXP. Keep taking the same Hunt / selling the wyvern feathers.
7. When you have racked up considerable EXP - go back to Altissia and stay at the hotel for 3x overall EXP earned for a massive level up.
8. Repeat the whole thing the next day. Money should not be a problem if you keep selling the Wyvern feathers !
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So I finished the game this weekend. I have really mixed feelings but overall, I had a great time with the game! :tup Once you got a better understanding of the main villain, he turned out be one of my favorite villains! Didn't expect that.
And yeah, chapter 13 was horrible for a couple of reasons. But that final chapter...man, that was much more epic than I expected.
Overall, a really well made game. It had a lot more heart than I expected. The only thing I disliked were the car and the driving sequences. So much time spent doing nothing and listening to old Final Fantasy music. It was fun at first but got old fast. :lol
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The driving was one of my fave parts !!!
Maybe it's because I love driving myself and going for long cruises...
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I wish Iggy's sight returned but in Chapter 14 he may as well have it back. He's gotten used to it in 10 years.
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Ardyn was flamboyant and cocky. His voice really fit his character. I was on like level 70 when I finished so he was a piece of p*ss.
Ifirit before him was harder.
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After thinking about it for a few days, I've collected my thoughts on the story of the game. Spoiler territory, beware.
It's a really good, interesting story. A young prince being sent away from his home land, toughens up and then returns to claim the throne. It's a classic tale and combined with a main villain with a REALLY interesting back story and motivations (not to mention an awesome voice actor to play him) is as awesome a setup as you're gonna get. Also, you have an unusual love story - not the oh so cliched and over-done love story between a guy and a girl but between four grown-up men, going through hardship together. Sometimes fighting, always being there for each other.
(Well, the guy-girl love story is there but its really underplayed. Which might be considered another story execution problem but I digress.)
I think the blocks are there for a truly great story. Unfortunately, the execution lefts a lot to be desired. Lots of stuff happens offscreen, leaving our main characters only reacting to events after the fact. Not only that, but stuff happens to your main character off screen! Like Ignis blindness - for several hours I was waiting for a better explaination than "it happened in the Leviathan battle". But I never got that.
Also, Promptos revelation felt really odd to me. It came from nowhere because it wasn't really hinted at at all before and the only effect is him being able to open a door for the party. I guess the intention was to hammer in the friendship even further, by showing that the rest of the cast didn't give a shit about his origins. Which is IMO fair enough, but it could have been executed better. Make Prompto act weird lots of hours before hand, making the other characters questioning his loyalty. Set it up, and then pay it off with an emotional scene where they decide to stand together, no matter what.
It may sound like I hated the story but I promise I didn't. :lol I'm just a bit frustrated because the foundations are so great! But I still very much enjoyed it and was left satisfied after having defeated the last boss. :tup After they've released the New Game Plus patch, I may even go back.
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Agree with all of that Lynxo. There's some really good explainers on Youtube you may want to check out if you haven't already. Really frustrating how much depth there is, and how many important details were left out of the game. I suspect a 10-20hr DLC that lets you freely roam the second continent (probably the original intent) would do wonders. Fantastic game, but it's no Witcher 3.
I will say that, doing post-game content, I do feel more like the game is broken. Initially I thought I was just playing wrong, but the reality is there's no way to play this game without constantly cheesing healing items. And there are a lot of other strange mechanics that seem like they're there just because the game was unplayable without them (i.e., being able to heal yourself after you "die"). All this was forgivable while working through the story, but now that it's done, I don't really feel compelled to play the game for its own sake.
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I love the game and everything, but yeah my one complaint is that all the auxiliary story content isn't just in the game. It annoyed me with The Matrix reloaded as well, with Enter the matrix and Animatrix. Just put it in instead of cutting it up.
I watched Kinsglaive and brotherhood before beginning and even with watching those, I still had to make an effort put the pieces together story wise. But all that aside, I haven't put this much time into a game in a long, long ass time. I'm around 70 hours at this point so I am very happy overall.
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Haven't beaten the game, so I've only skimmed this thread. But I'm currently on Chapter 13 of the main quest. So far, loving the game. I stopped around chapter 3 to do side quests and have been about 10 lvls ahead the rest of the way, which I don't mind. But it makes for an easy runthrough of the game. I've heard that Ch.13 is the worst, but I've been enjoying the first 10-15 minutes of it. Looking forward to the ending and when I'm able to jump into the conversation.
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Being able to use a Phoenix Down on YOURSELF was something I always thought was lacking in FF up til now.
Why should it be game over ? Why couldn't one of your party use a PD on you ? You can use on them ?
Makes sense to me.
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New game+ update out today.
Start the game over with your saved stats.
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New game+ update out today.
Start the game over with your saved stats.
Did they ad new story content? Really trying to figure out what's in this 3 gig patch.
Loading times seem better.
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I'm not sure what else - there's a bigger update tomorrow...
But I finished the game already so doing it again with all my best weapons and on level 99 :biggrin:
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LOVE IT.... :hat
(https://i.imgur.com/Pn0xCYg.jpg)
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Photographer Vyv in Lestallum gives piss easy quests for lots of money and EXP.
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I know already...
I'm on chapter 11....about to get to the dreaded 13th
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Just plough thru it ASAP. It gets better afterwards.
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Ugh....I just saw it. And love the acting before it starts
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I actually had no issue with Chapter 13 at all. Maybe I'm just easy to please, but I thought it was actually pretty cool. Played out almost like a horror-type game with how creepy the enemies were. And, yeah it was a little bit long, but that's after the previous 2-4 chapters took me like 15-20 minutes each. I was okay with spending some time in a chapter, especially one where the point was basically to sneak around.
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I actually had no issue with Chapter 13 at all. Maybe I'm just easy to please, but I thought it was actually pretty cool. Played out almost like a horror-type game with how creepy the enemies were. And, yeah it was a little bit long, but that's after the previous 2-4 chapters took me like 15-20 minutes each. I was okay with spending some time in a chapter, especially one where the point was basically to sneak around.
I may be wrong but the Ring of Lucis seems a bit more powerful in the update.
Also - someone remind me - does Chapter 13 start when the 4 of you are in the tomb bickering and end up fighting the plant monster ?
Or does it start On the train to Tenebrae when you met Shiva and enter Ardyn's lair ?
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Never mind I just looked it up.
As soon as I got the others back and could summon Umbra I did :lol
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It's so tedious
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I may be wrong but the Ring of Lucis seems a bit more powerful in the update.
I'm unsure, I played that Chapter before the update. But I think I heard that may be the case.
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It's so tedious
Yeah I just tried to run thru it as quick as poss. I actually quite like the *feel* of Chapter 13.
Also I think in the update - that huge monster you encounter whilst waiting for the lift ( Faros ) - follows you around. Because I don't remember him being in the level
after the first time you see him. And even being on level 99 like I was 2nd time I played it - you can't kill him because you have to defeat him later with all 4 of you.
Oh it sucked.
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It's so tedious
Yeah I just tried to run thru it as quick as poss. I actually quite like the *feel* of Chapter 13.
Also I think in the update - that huge monster you encounter whilst waiting for the lift ( Faros ) - follows you around. Because I don't remember him being in the level
after the first time you see him. And even being on level 99 like I was 2nd time I played it - you can't kill him because you have to defeat him later with all 4 of you.
Oh it sucked.
I don't have the "newest" update. But yeah, he follows you and pops up randomly. I almost died because of him.
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2nd time he was just there constantly until I got into a stairwell. I was fuming.
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Finally...yeah it is a good payoff for all that.
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Kefka and Sephiroth have some company at the top... at long last! Loved the villain of XV (even more so once I grasped what he truly was and all).
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I love Ardyn. So charismatic but so slimy too. His voice fits perfectly and I actually like his narration in Chapter 13. It gives that whole section a cool eerie vibe.
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Hate any boss in a FF which requires a cut scene before you can defeat it.
So even if you see it's health bar go all the way to zero - because you're far too powerful - you still have to see a cut scene and then his health goes back up.
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Got the Platinum last night for FFXV. Noctis at level 93, the others at 89. Last trophy took me an hour and 15 minutes. So epic haha. Great game! Almost as fun as XIII for me, but had a totally different feel. Anxiously waiting DLC now.
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I read that they're tweaking Chapter 13. No idea what. Maybe the Ring of Lucii will have more power ?
But I pretty much want like 100 more sidequests. From really easy ( for fun ) all the way up to level 99
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The Chocobo Carnival was interesting, but I'm ready for the real DLC.
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I've had no net at home for the last week so i've not been able to download the carnival.
I might get the season although i've no interest in the player back stories.
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I finally got around to playing the FF10 HD remake for PS Vita that I bought a few weeks ago and I'm totally falling for the game. It has everything that I could ask for in an RPG :tup
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:facepalm: OMFG the *ENDLESS* jumping in the air instead of interacting with an object in FFXV.
FUCKS SAKE. One time I had to keep walking away and coming back and pressing X - jump in the air - walk away - come back - press - Jump
FUCK FFFHFHIGFLGJU FP:IUFGV P:IUFGP{:OFVGH
WHy havent they patched this yet
FFFFFFUUUUCCCJJJJJFDF KKKKKKKKK
Choco Carnival is pretty cool though. NO FUCKIN GLADIO TO BE SEEN :rollin
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What is everybody's favorite Final Fantasy?
Mine is VII
Sure it looks all blocky and dated nowadays, but I was blown away back in 97. I was 8 years old, this was my 2nd game on PS1 and I absolutely fell in love with this game. The story is cool, the characters are fantastic and the music is beautiful beyond words.
Its not only my favorite FF, but also my favorite game ever made
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What is everybody's favorite Final Fantasy?
Mine is VII
Sure it looks all blocky and dated nowadays, but I was blown away back in 97. I was 8 years old, this was my 2nd game on PS1 and I absolutely fell in love with this game. The story is cool, the characters are fantastic and the music is beautiful beyond words.
Its not only my favorite FF, but also my favorite game ever made
XII. Great, complicated story, awesome gameplay with one of the main features being that you can program the characters to perform actions based on the circumstances you're in, and LONG. It's such a long game.
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What is everybody's favorite Final Fantasy?
Mine is VII
Sure it looks all blocky and dated nowadays, but I was blown away back in 97. I was 8 years old, this was my 2nd game on PS1 and I absolutely fell in love with this game. The story is cool, the characters are fantastic and the music is beautiful beyond words.
Its not only my favorite FF, but also my favorite game ever made
All dis.
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Also I entered the Choco Carnival Photo Contest and my pic came 3rd...
I *think* the top 5 pics win and Apparently your picture is featured " in the game ".. But doesn't explain further than that.
Announced at 5pm GMT today.
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Its time to go off road in FFXV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=132&v=kBJYUn33__Y
(https://assets.vg247.com/current//2017/06/Final-Fantasy-15-off-road-600x338.jpg)
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Not a lot of discussion of the remake of FFXII that was released just the other day. Anybody play it?
I do and I love it just as much as last time. :tup I also love the role system they've implemented, it serves really well to make the characters more defined in battle. I remember in the original always buying the same weapons for everybody and playing them all mostly the same. :lol
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The clean up and polish they did for XII looks pretty sweet. When it drops a little more in price, I will definitely be picking it up.
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What is everybody's favorite Final Fantasy?
Final Fantasy Tactics is my favorite. It has my favorite story, battle system and soundtrack in the series. Final Fantasy 7 is a close second, though.
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Finally started playing FF XV this week.
Enjoying it a lot so far. Voice acting isn't great and I don't yet have much opinion on story as I haven't made much progress, but that's because I keep getting side tracked by side quests and hunts, which is a good sign. Definitely one of the most fun to actually play, like XII was. Just hoping that story/character-wise it's a bit better than XII.
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Finally started playing FF XV this week.
Enjoying it a lot so far. Voice acting isn't great and I don't yet have much opinion on story as I haven't made much progress, but that's because I keep getting side tracked by side quests and hunts, which is a good sign. Definitely one of the most fun to actually play, like XII was. Just hoping that story/character-wise it's a bit better than XII.
The main story is better than XII. It is a fun game and what brings me back are the hunts. I'm in a region where for some reason I can't get Comcast for cable internet, so I have not-as-good Wi-Fi. I don't got the latest update and haven't done the times quests yet.
Anyone know how the timed quests are?
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Anyone know how the timed quests are?
I haven't done one yet. Stumbled upon one by accident and got spanked by some cactuars that were much higher level than me. :lol
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On route to see The Distant Worlds Orchestra playing Final Fantasy music at The Royal Albert Hall tonight. Gonna be a night of epic geekery. So ready for this! Anyone else been to a Distant Worlds performance before?
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I'm super jealous. Those look like a lot of fun to attend. I've never been though.
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Just finished XV. I started down the road to platinum and even though its one of the easier games to platinum i just didnt have it in me. So instead i popped in VI and started playing through that again.
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Got back into playing 15. About 35 hours in and overall I really like the game, more so than most of the previous ones over the past decade. My only complaint is the story or lack there of.
Its like there's something going on independent of what your characters are doing. Only by watching the whole separate movie do I know that your dad is getting murdered and your home is on fire in this massive war, while you are cooking, camping and fishin down by the lake. Like where's the urgency and where's the conflict? Who are the bad guys and WHY are they doing anything? You are just casually driving around, occasionally fighting some nameless soldiers.
Ardyn is cool, but he acts in no way like an antagonist. He's just helping me along my path and acting coy. Why am I cordial with this guy? He is with the guys that declared war on my nation? And I just got to the part why this chick highwind has joined my party RIGHT after trying to fight me to the death in an enemy base like 5 mins ago. I don't know what is going on in this game. And If I didn't watch the movie, I swear to god, I would know nothing about this story what so ever.
The game is not finished. Simple as that. Even toward the end of the game you get mere glimpses of awesome locations that you get to experience for minutes, when clearly they were meant to be bigger places to have purpose. Oh well.
Sorry for the rant, its just that I'm like 35 hours in and there's been almost no story development and its getting in the way of an otherwise awesome game.
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Some new FF VII remake footage for anyone who is interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E
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Got back into playing 15. About 35 hours in and overall I really like the game, more so than most of the previous ones over the past decade. My only complaint is the story or lack there of.
Its like there's something going on independent of what your characters are doing. Only by watching the whole separate movie do I know that your dad is getting murdered and your home is on fire in this massive war, while you are cooking, camping and fishin down by the lake. Like where's the urgency and where's the conflict? Who are the bad guys and WHY are they doing anything? You are just casually driving around, occasionally fighting some nameless soldiers.
Ardyn is cool, but he acts in no way like an antagonist. He's just helping me along my path and acting coy. Why am I cordial with this guy? He is with the guys that declared war on my nation? And I just got to the part why this chick highwind has joined my party RIGHT after trying to fight me to the death in an enemy base like 5 mins ago. I don't know what is going on in this game. And If I didn't watch the movie, I swear to god, I would know nothing about this story what so ever.
The game is not finished. Simple as that. Even toward the end of the game you get mere glimpses of awesome locations that you get to experience for minutes, when clearly they were meant to be bigger places to have purpose. Oh well.
Sorry for the rant, its just that I'm like 35 hours in and there's been almost no story development and its getting in the way of an otherwise awesome game.
That's just the thing, when so much of the game is so well made, the incredible weirdly told story sticks out like a sore thumb and it really bothered me. :lol I also tried to do a run through a second time, with the intent of playing all the DLC along the way, but I just got bored after a while. I have NO idea why I'm doing stuff. Because the map marker tells me to, I guess?
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my favorite is probably 9 or 6
i'm interested in this new final fantasy 7 game(s). it looks really good but i'm also worried thats its nothing but a ff xv mod
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Final Fantasy 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUf4lEcZLI
PS5 exclusive. Looks decent, still too early to tell more than that. God only knows when it will actually come out :lol
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I'm actually super excited about this. :lol
It's Naoki Yoshida as producer - the same guy who saved FFXIV and turned it from a disaster to one of the best MMO's ever. The thing about that that REALLY excites me is that FFXIV and especially its expansions had AMAZING stories - EASILY on par with the classic games. So I have high hopes. :hat
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Didn't know this thread existed.
Way back when, I had FF1 for my NES. Sometime in the 90s, I bought FF1 and FF2 on disc for my PS. I still have that and break it out once or twice a year. Still love the simplicity of FF1. Even my 18yo enjoys it. He walked out of his room while I was playing yesterday and said something like, "back when video games were actually hard and you could die!"
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Didn't know this thread existed.
Way back when, I had FF1 for my NES. Sometime in the 90s, I bought FF1 and FF2 on disc for my PS. I still have that and break it out once or twice a year. Still love the simplicity of FF1. Even my 18yo enjoys it. He walked out of his room while I was playing yesterday and said something like, "back when video games were actually hard and you could die!"
Back when you raged quit because you got all far and then forgot to save... :lol :facepalm:
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Didn't know this thread existed.
Way back when, I had FF1 for my NES. Sometime in the 90s, I bought FF1 and FF2 on disc for my PS. I still have that and break it out once or twice a year. Still love the simplicity of FF1. Even my 18yo enjoys it. He walked out of his room while I was playing yesterday and said something like, "back when video games were actually hard and you could die!"
Back when you raged quit because you got all far and then forgot to save... :lol :facepalm:
Pretty much, although FF1 was good in that it always prompted you to save when you went to an inn or used a tent, etc. to replenish HP and MP.
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Didn't know this thread existed.
Way back when, I had FF1 for my NES. Sometime in the 90s, I bought FF1 and FF2 on disc for my PS. I still have that and break it out once or twice a year. Still love the simplicity of FF1. Even my 18yo enjoys it. He walked out of his room while I was playing yesterday and said something like, "back when video games were actually hard and you could die!"
Back when you raged quit because you got all far and then forgot to save... :lol :facepalm:
Pretty much, although FF1 was good in that it always prompted you to save when you went to an inn or used a tent, etc. to replenish HP and MP.
Good to know it wasn't as relentless as LoZ II. Oh my, Legend of Zelda II, when I first played that I was all WTF kind of Zelda is this...I got pretty far though before my brother broke his Advance.
I may just well get a PS5 just for Final Fantasy XVI though. I did that for Final Fantasy XV. I think it was for the best I played that before playing Breath of The Wild, because it was a nice open world, then Zelda totally changed that and made FFXV seem like a tease.
Although I really enjoyed the crispness and realness of the food and how the soundtrack really fit that atmosphere of camping.