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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2695 on: January 25, 2024, 07:17:34 PM »
:lol

He always has my back, my kids consistently pass those big tests (I have a 94% pass rate most years). He tells any kids I send him that they must be in big trouble if Mr. Jamesman42 had to send them up.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2696 on: January 25, 2024, 07:18:56 PM »
:lol

He always has my back, my kids consistently pass those big tests (I have a 94% pass rate most years). He tells any kids I send him that they must be in big trouble if Mr. Jamesman42 had to send them up.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2697 on: January 25, 2024, 07:21:25 PM »
It's a little school and 7 years there, I do love it and have been there the 3rd longest, even more than my principal.
Covid did a lot to shake things up, and the kids I have now were in 3rd or 4th grade when it happened. The behaviors are mostly the same pre-Covid, but there also seems to be much more learned helplessness and parents backing that up.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2698 on: February 04, 2024, 08:09:47 AM »
Well, the company I work for laid off my chain of higher command.  My boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss both got let go this morning.  Two guys I've worked under for 10 years.  Really sucks.  Not surprising considering our new work overlords have been cutting down the company since being acquired, but the first time it has really impacted me.  A cost cutting exercise to cut management and re-org. Sucks and I'm sure my time is counting down as well.  No immediate fear, my boss says 3 years he thinks he can guarantee for sure, but after that, who knows.  Definitely killed my motivation right now though.

We have been going through this but we were told it wouldn't effect us much. They did let our Director go but on Friday our Manager told us she is being let go and they are dissolving our group. We are getting separated and spread out to different managers and directors. None of us are sure how that will work as we are all the developers/admins for what is the third most important app in our organization. We are a tight team that works incredibly well together and they are breaking us up. The thing is, there is no way we can stop working together but now we might have to go through other managers just to work together. Friday was somber and we are both sad and very pissed. The contract is coming up for our app soon and no one that has ever sat in on talks before will be here for the new contract. The new bosses have shown their idiocy by asking the most stupid questions about our app that shows they have no idea what they are doing.

My job went from being in pretty much the best place it has ever been to probably the worst. They destroyed our morale.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2699 on: February 04, 2024, 08:37:44 AM »
Good luck with that. At least you still have a job. Hopefully it lasts beyond the next negotiation.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2700 on: February 04, 2024, 10:34:57 AM »
capitalism ruins everything. usually good jobs. so it goes
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2701 on: February 04, 2024, 04:22:53 PM »
My job went from being in pretty much the best place it has ever been to probably the worst. They destroyed our morale.

That definitely sucks and I know all too well.  As Tim mentioned, I think these days just look to the fact you still have a job I guess.  Saying all that, your situation probably isn't going to get better either, just worse and worse.  If your morale and motivation is that bad, start thinking about exiting.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2702 on: February 05, 2024, 08:38:46 AM »
capitalism ruins everything. usually good jobs. so it goes

Except that it doesn't.  But, "opinions".

The three worst things that have ever happened to me in a work environment were directly attributable to NON capitalism measures (including the one time I've ever been laid off, over a combination of impacts from the pending Obamacare and promised heavy environmental regulation.)

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2703 on: February 05, 2024, 04:40:31 PM »
capitalism ruins everything. usually good jobs. so it goes

Except that it doesn't.  But, "opinions".

The three worst things that have ever happened to me in a work environment were directly attributable to NON capitalism measures (including the one time I've ever been laid off, over a combination of impacts from the pending Obamacare and promised heavy environmental regulation.)

My entire work situation also was the exact opposite of 'capitalism.'
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2704 on: February 05, 2024, 05:55:45 PM »
capitalism ruins everything. usually good jobs. so it goes
Don't most jobs exist in the first place because of capitalism?

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2705 on: February 06, 2024, 08:51:30 AM »
Jobs exist because of the market requires labour to fulfil a need. Capitalist ideologues would have you believe that the capitalist system is the only one capable of regulating both labour and the needs of the market efficiently.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2706 on: February 06, 2024, 09:06:10 AM »
Jobs exist because of the market requires labour to fulfil a need. Capitalist ideologues would have you believe that the capitalist system is the only one capable of regulating both labour and the needs of the market efficiently.

"...would have you believe"?  Don't make it out like it's some voodoo pseudo-science.  It's one approach to handling the concept of market forces.  There are, of course, others, and variations in between.  I don't think there is any perfect system, plusses and minuses to all of them, but I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2707 on: February 06, 2024, 09:17:13 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2708 on: February 06, 2024, 09:27:35 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2709 on: February 06, 2024, 09:31:07 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)
You're right, sorry.

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.
Agreed.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2710 on: February 06, 2024, 09:51:54 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

I agree with that.   

I mean, I have a sort of real politik view of things.  Greed; there is "greed" in so much of what we do in one form or another.  I think the the feelings that feed greed are the same that feed road rage or the asshole that waits until they stand in front of the order taker at McDonald's to look at the menu and decide what he wants.  Never going to get rid of it.  So we trade off; I think capilitalism has led to so many great endeavors and developments, from the advancements in computers, to travel, to medicine... and if we have to live with a company price gouging on, say, coffee, well, we'll live as a society.  For those things that simply matter too much, like healthcare, well, I'm for single payer.   Yes, it goes against every fibre of my being - libertarian, capitalist - but I'm also a PRAGMATIST and it's the quickest way to get to win with the least amount of bodies in the closet. 

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2711 on: February 06, 2024, 09:55:36 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)
You're right, sorry.

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.
Agreed.

I neglected to mention our reverence for it, which is also a massive problem. It's great enough that we assail and even ridicule other ways of doing things. Socialist medicine. The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. As with so many other things, it's our American arrogance that really mucks things up, as well as our ability to push things to the extremes.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2712 on: February 06, 2024, 10:08:32 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

I agree with that.   

I mean, I have a sort of real politik view of things.  Greed; there is "greed" in so much of what we do in one form or another.  I think the the feelings that feed greed are the same that feed road rage or the asshole that waits until they stand in front of the order taker at McDonald's to look at the menu and decide what he wants.  Never going to get rid of it.  So we trade off; I think capilitalism has led to so many great endeavors and developments, from the advancements in computers, to travel, to medicine... and if we have to live with a company price gouging on, say, coffee, well, we'll live as a society.  For those things that simply matter too much, like healthcare, well, I'm for single payer.   Yes, it goes against every fibre of my being - libertarian, capitalist - but I'm also a PRAGMATIST and it's the quickest way to get to win with the least amount of bodies in the closet.
Yeah, that's certainly fair, and I mostly agree with you (and figured this would be the case).

Out of curiosity, was the Apollo program capitalistic? That led to a tremendous number of advances and developments.

In any case, I think the problem is that the greed we're talking about applies to your next door neighbor as much as it does the C suite of Raytheon. There's a constant need to keep finding bigger and better ways to make money, so we keep inventing them. Middle men were none are needed. It's not the price gouging on coffee, it's the need to have an intermediary coffee broker insert himself into the model so he can get a few cents for himself. If I invent a better widget, I can patent it, pay to have it produced, and then sell it for a nice profit. Twenty years from now the cost of that widget will be far, far greater than what you could expect from basic inflation. Consumers will be paying for distributors. They'd be paying for the transportation to the distributors. They'd be paying for the guy who sells his transportation service to the distributor. They'd be paying for the leggy blond sales reps and the catered meals that convince people to sell their widget. It goes on and on.

In any case, as for the example at hand, the problem is that some venture capitalists have decided that it's worth gambling on whether or not they can squeeze a few more pennies from an existing business, and Cram/Peart are the fodder. Maybe they can and maybe they can't. Given the unfamiliarity with the business they get into it really is a toss up, as they're describing. Capitalism and greed turn the livelihoods of normal people, who weren't invited into the game, into poker chips. 
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2713 on: February 06, 2024, 10:15:08 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

That's a beautiful way to put it.

Genuine philosophical question here, not a partisan one: is such promotion/representation of human nature's best and worst qualities a trait due to capitalism's inherent features or a byproduct of its dogmatisation?

Do not a lot of ideas and or systems, once they become ideologies and beliefs and get elevated to dogmas, tend to promote and represent both the best and worst qualities of human nature?

Political systems, religions, football, rock music ...

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2714 on: February 06, 2024, 10:40:56 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

That's a beautiful way to put it.

Genuine philosophical question here, not a partisan one: is such promotion/representation of human nature's best and worst qualities a trait due to capitalism's inherent features or a byproduct of its dogmatisation?

Do not a lot of ideas and or systems, once they become ideologies and beliefs and get elevated to dogmas, tend to promote and represent both the best and worst qualities of human nature?

Political systems, religions, football, rock music ...
I'm going to go with a third option. I think it's a human element. Partly because greed is an important component of the human psyche, and partly because we've created a world where capitalistic success is a necessity for survival. The reality of life here in these United States is that if you're not making an ever increasing amount of money you're going to die while living in a tent under an overpass. Survival tends to bring out the worst in people. As for bringing out the best in people, I think that's merely a byproduct. 
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2715 on: February 06, 2024, 10:56:22 AM »
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« Reply #2716 on: February 06, 2024, 11:28:54 AM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

I agree with that.   

I mean, I have a sort of real politik view of things.  Greed; there is "greed" in so much of what we do in one form or another.  I think the the feelings that feed greed are the same that feed road rage or the asshole that waits until they stand in front of the order taker at McDonald's to look at the menu and decide what he wants.  Never going to get rid of it.  So we trade off; I think capilitalism has led to so many great endeavors and developments, from the advancements in computers, to travel, to medicine... and if we have to live with a company price gouging on, say, coffee, well, we'll live as a society.  For those things that simply matter too much, like healthcare, well, I'm for single payer.   Yes, it goes against every fibre of my being - libertarian, capitalist - but I'm also a PRAGMATIST and it's the quickest way to get to win with the least amount of bodies in the closet.
Yeah, that's certainly fair, and I mostly agree with you (and figured this would be the case).

Out of curiosity, was the Apollo program capitalistic? That led to a tremendous number of advances and developments.

I think it's a combination of things; I think tactically, the Apollo program was a government program, but I think the capitalist nature of the private firms doing the work, and the funding that went into it based on the burgeoning military/industrial complex did a lot to fuel it.  Let's put it this way; other countries pursued those avenues and weren't - overall - as successful as we were, and I think the difference was the capitalist base of our society and government.

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In any case, I think the problem is that the greed we're talking about applies to your next door neighbor as much as it does the C suite of Raytheon. There's a constant need to keep finding bigger and better ways to make money, so we keep inventing them. Middle men were none are needed. It's not the price gouging on coffee, it's the need to have an intermediary coffee broker insert himself into the model so he can get a few cents for himself. If I invent a better widget, I can patent it, pay to have it produced, and then sell it for a nice profit. Twenty years from now the cost of that widget will be far, far greater than what you could expect from basic inflation. Consumers will be paying for distributors. They'd be paying for the transportation to the distributors. They'd be paying for the guy who sells his transportation service to the distributor. They'd be paying for the leggy blond sales reps and the catered meals that convince people to sell their widget. It goes on and on.

In any case, as for the example at hand, the problem is that some venture capitalists have decided that it's worth gambling on whether or not they can squeeze a few more pennies from an existing business, and Cram/Peart are the fodder. Maybe they can and maybe they can't. Given the unfamiliarity with the business they get into it really is a toss up, as they're describing. Capitalism and greed turn the livelihoods of normal people, who weren't invited into the game, into poker chips.

Well, there's a lot there, but I agree, and that was the impetus of the reference to road rage and Mickey D's.  Those are not corporate things, those are interpersonal things.  I think to a degree, the "transaction costs" that you reference are part and parcel with the system and a form of social welfare.  Yeah, you are paying more, but you pay that, and it goes directly to the middle man, or you pay taxes and it goes to the government for redistribution.  You'll notice I never rag on "the socialists" as a concept; I do rag on the connect of "government doing everything for us".   I wanted to punch my television when I heard that quite from Michelle Obama a couple weeks ago: ‘Oh my God, does government do everything for us, and we cannot take this democracy for granted.’ that was an anathema to every part of my core philosophy (and made worse that she was "terrified". :) :) :)). 

I think the one of the benefits - but also one of the drawbacks - of that system, the system of the middle man, is that it's less controllable.  It can't be gamed for political benefit - a benefit - but it can't be targeted for those really in need - a drawback.  But it's part of the system, and part of why it works, much like the built-in bureaucracy in our government. It's not SUPPOSED to move at the speed of social media; it's MEANT to be deliberate and contemplative.  A good idea today, if it really is a good idea, will still be a good idea tomorrow or next Tuesday. 

You know, look; you're talking about my friends now, and being clinical and objective doesn't always work there.  I want Prof and Cram to find a path forward at their jobs, and it sucks that they might bear the brunt of someone else's business decision.  But speaking broadly, I've been bought/sold now at least three times now in my career and it blows.  It does.  But "changes aren't permanent, only change is".  Small consolation, but whether it's a market change, or a private equity change or something else, how do you stop it?  One can only really accept it, and try to use every opportunity to come out better.  I do get it; circumstances sometimes control; I've moved a lot in my life, and left jobs when they didn't work for me, but I'm in a spot now that I cannot move. I just can't.  And just changing jobs isn't in the cards.  It's precarious.  But if it happens, we figure it out. 

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2717 on: February 06, 2024, 01:25:56 PM »
I do believe that capitalism best represents (and promotes) the best qualities of human nature.
Unfortunately, it also best represents the worst qualities of human nature.
(And promotes)

Stadler hasn't said it, but I think he'd agree that it's the best system we can hope for, but that's honestly not saying much. It's like Churchill and democracy. The problem is that we insist on being so dogmatic about it, rather than simply applying the best system for the matter at hand.

That's a beautiful way to put it.

Genuine philosophical question here, not a partisan one: is such promotion/representation of human nature's best and worst qualities a trait due to capitalism's inherent features or a byproduct of its dogmatisation?

Do not a lot of ideas and or systems, once they become ideologies and beliefs and get elevated to dogmas, tend to promote and represent both the best and worst qualities of human nature?

Political systems, religions, football, rock music ...
I'm going to go with a third option. I think it's a human element. Partly because greed is an important component of the human psyche, and partly because we've created a world where capitalistic success is a necessity for survival. The reality of life here in these United States is that if you're not making an ever increasing amount of money you're going to die while living in a tent under an overpass. Survival tends to bring out the worst in people. As for bringing out the best in people, I think that's merely a byproduct.

I'm going to push back gently here.  This may be a mindset thing, but I don't think the "worst in people" is the default, and the "best in people" is a "byproduct".  "Capitalistic success" - and it depends on how you define that - isn't necessarily a necessity for survival.  We live in a materialistic society that has led many people to think that a 70" big screen is necessary for survival.  A 100 subscriptions to Netflix is necessary for survival.  Maybe it is, from a quality of life scenario, I don't know.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2718 on: February 06, 2024, 02:00:39 PM »
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« Reply #2719 on: February 06, 2024, 04:11:58 PM »
i apologize for veering the thread so far off course with my p/r post. i accept my punishment

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2720 on: February 06, 2024, 04:30:18 PM »
i apologize for veering the thread so far off course with my p/r post. i accept my punishment

Sing F# and post it. Lol

That only punishes us.
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2721 on: February 06, 2024, 04:33:12 PM »
i apologize for veering the thread so far off course with my p/r post. i accept my punishment

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2722 on: February 06, 2024, 04:42:57 PM »
i apologize for veering the thread so far off course with my p/r post. i accept my punishment

Sing F# and post it. Lol

That only punishes us.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2723 on: February 06, 2024, 04:54:43 PM »
 :lol
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2724 on: February 06, 2024, 04:58:34 PM »
Everyone else, except Wolfking is wrong.

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2725 on: February 06, 2024, 05:04:51 PM »
It's funny but I like seeing people suffer so I'd rather see him try it.  :lol
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.” - Bob Newhart
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2726 on: February 06, 2024, 05:58:50 PM »
It's funny but I like seeing people suffer so I'd rather see him try it.  :lol

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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2727 on: February 06, 2024, 06:10:26 PM »
Awe yeah.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.” - Bob Newhart
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2728 on: February 14, 2024, 10:07:55 AM »
Being called a troll for asking what people would think if Devin Townsend joined Dream Theater
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Re: What pissed you off today?
« Reply #2729 on: February 14, 2024, 10:22:24 AM »
Attention seekers.
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