Geoff Tate's "Operation: Mindcrime" (not Queensryche)

[jjrock88]

You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"

Indeed.
Listened to HITNF again yesterday and quite enjoyed it. Plenty of rubbish on it but some of it is better than I remember.

Yeah there are quality tracks on that disc for sure.  If it was condensed by about 4-5 songs, it would be much better.  Lots of filler, thats true.

[Lowdz]

You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"

Indeed.
Listened to HITNF again yesterday and quite enjoyed it. Plenty of rubbish on it but some of it is better than I remember.

Yeah there are quality tracks on that disc for sure.  If it was condensed by about 4-5 songs, it would be much better.  Lots of filler, thats true.

Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.

[Ruba]

Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.

 

[KevShmev]

Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.

Yeah, that solo is pretty bad.  I get what he was going for, but the execution was awful.

[TAC]

I like what they tried to go for on HITNF, but really, I only like 4 or 5 songs.

[bosk1]

New Suite Sister Mary clip (with new bassist and new Mary).  The band is actually starting to sound decent now that they've had a bit more time to gel.  I even thought Tate sounded surprisingly good during the initial soft part.  But once the guitar kick in and he has to belt even the slightest bit, he sounds horrible again.  And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good.  Frankly, she's terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDuURFiQpg&sns=em

[Lowdz]

New Suite Sister Mary clip (with new bassist and new Mary).  The band is actually starting to sound decent now that they've had a bit more time to gel.  I even thought Tate sounded surprisingly good during the initial soft part.  But once the guitar kick in and he has to belt even the slightest bit, he sounds horrible again.  And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good.  Frankly, she's terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDuURFiQpg&sns=em

Chad's not gonna be happy   

[abydos]

His stage presence and antics are almost surpassing his singing in terribleness though. Hiring bad female singers is probably on purpose as a part of making GT not sound as bad too.

[Nel]

Okay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but whatever: I actually liked two of the songs from FU. Most of the album's bland as hell, and Tater can't sing for shit, but I do like the Promised Land-esque riff going on in "In The Hands Of God" and I actually don't mind "The Weight Of The World". So... yeah... 

[Lowdz]

Okay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but whatever: I actually liked two of the songs from FU. Most of the album's bland as hell, and Tater can't sing for shit, but I do like the Promised Land-esque riff going on in "In The Hands Of God" and I actually don't mind "The Weight Of The World". So... yeah... 

A decent producer and singer could salvage half of this album, there are some decent songs trying to struggle free. As it is it's a steaming pile of shit.

[jingle.boy]

And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good.  Frankly, she's terrible.

Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL.  She's a blues-rock singer.  You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary.  I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit.  Terrible choice by Tate.  I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche.  Was hoping to catch them when they were playing.  I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.

In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.

[jjrock88]

And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good.  Frankly, she's terrible.

Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL.  She's a blues-rock singer.  You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary.  I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit.  Terrible choice by Tate.  I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche.  Was hoping to catch them when they were playing.  I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.

In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.

In Canada, Sass is still a pretty big star.  She was one of the judges on Canadian Idol and I heard a rumor that she did a try out for Van Halen in the mid 90's.  Check out her song "High Road Easy".  I wouldnt consider myself a fan, but she does have a good voice.  However, she seemed extremely out of place with QR.

[bosk1]

And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good.  Frankly, she's terrible.

Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL.  She's a blues-rock singer.  You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary.  I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit.  Terrible choice by Tate.  I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche.  Was hoping to catch them when they were playing.  I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.

In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.

Yeah, I should clarify that she is terrible on that song.  Not saying she's a bad singer.  But, first off, her voice is not suited for that song at all.  Just the timbre and natural grittiness she sings with is not even remotely in the same neighborhood as what that song needs.  Second, she doesn't appear to have the range to hit the notes, even as severely downtuned as they are playing it to accommodate Tate.  Third, she is incredibly pitchy.  On that point, I don't want to be too hard on her.  Singing live is not as easy as it looks, and there are a bunch of factors that can screw you up, including not being able to hear yourself, or (likely in this case), the lead singer you are trying to harmonize with being out of key, for example.  But she just sounded awful in that clip. 

I've heard some of the stuff with her band (thanks, Chad!), and while her voice seems to be somewhat of an acquired taste, she at least sounds like she fits on that other stuff. 

[PowerSlave]

That wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. Still not great, though.

[jingle.boy]

Not to go anymore re: Sass, but she's sung a lot of different styles in her day ... pop, blues, rock, grunge, and now this hard-rock thing she's doing in S.U.N.  Her 90s stuff is definitely more accessible, and I'd say I only enjoy S.U.N. because I really like her.  This song is a really good example of her talent, and probably my second favorite song with her on the mic.

I can definitely see how she's an acquired taste.... on that I did indeed acquire 25 years ago.  Plus ...



Not bad for 50.

Ok, back on topic...

[Perpetual Change]

Today I learned AMob's own John Moyer plays with these guys.

Dude must be hard up for a gig.

[bosk1]

Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be

Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it.  Unbelievable.

[Mister Gold]

Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be

Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it.  Unbelievable.

You know, the more this sort of stuff happens with Tate, the more I appreciate the fact that I never really got all the hype behind his voice in the classic era. Yeah, he was insanely talented back in the day, but he was never a personal favorite of mine.

Still, this is incredibly disappointing to see.

[WebRaider]

I was a big fan of him and the band in the classic era but the guy has lost his damn mind. Really is sickening to see the way he carries on. 

[Phoenix87x]

Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be

Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it.  Unbelievable.

Wow, what an asshole.

[Perpetual Change]

You think he'd be happy people actually still want to capture his performances on video.

[Zook]

"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"

[wolfking]

"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"

That's gold.  Can't wait til I get home to check that vid, not surprising though for Tate these days.

[Nel]

"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"

  Fucking awesome.

[wolfking]

Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be

Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it.  Unbelievable.

This is just absurd.  The comments are saying that the reason why he did is what that he asked for no video or pictures, but does this give the right for him to do that to somebody's personal property, fuck no, what an asshole.

The request of no video recording is pathetic as it is, especially for this pathetic excuse of a group of idiots calling themselves Queensryche.  but when I saw WASP, there was the same policy due to the performance of the album and the video story behind it, where Blackie was trying to keep it as secret as possible for the concert experience seeing it for the first time live as opposed to youtube, but security were the ones running around telling people to stop recording, Blackie never did anything regarding videos, it was all security.  Despite his policy he performed fully professional without doing something like this or signaling inappropriately to fans.

I think Geoff has become the ultimate rock asshole.  He makes Blackie, Schaffer, Mustaine, Ulrich and Malmsteen look like sweethearts.  Fucking dick.

[Scorpion]

Agreed, BUT he's still no Axl Rose.

[wolfking]

Hmm...forgot about Axl.  You're right, but give him time.

[jjrock88]

I really don't know how anyone can stand behind or support this knucklehead anymore.

[Lolzeez]

He should be proud that people still pay to see him live,let alone record it.

[Cruithne]

He should be proud that people still pay to see him live,let alone record it.

Heh, one fears Mr Tate thinks people should feel entitled to see him perform.

It's hard to know if he's got a cocaine problem or is just a fucking prick.

[KevShmev]

The request of no video recording is pathetic as it is, especially for this pathetic excuse of a group of idiots calling themselves Queensryche.  but when I saw WASP, there was the same policy due to the performance of the album and the video story behind it, where Blackie was trying to keep it as secret as possible for the concert experience seeing it for the first time live as opposed to youtube, but security were the ones running around telling people to stop recording, Blackie never did anything regarding videos, it was all security.  Despite his policy he performed fully professional without doing something like this or signaling inappropriately to fans.

 

Why is it pathetic?  Plenty of other bands do it nowadays, too.  I know we live in a culture where everyone thinks they should be able to go to a concert and record anything they want, but if the artist or venue says no, then that is your tough shit.  Buying a ticket to a concert doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want at the show.

Having said that, that was definitely a dick move by Tate, but if you specifically requested no recording and some guy is sticking his phone right up near your face like that when you are performing, I can see how that would be really irritating. 

[Nick]

I don't think the policy in general is pathetic, but when it's likely put in place just because you don't want potential purchasers to see/hear how shitty your band is, then it becomes pathetic.

[Dublagent66]

It's a shame that he's like that, but it's really no surprise.  GT has been a paranoid asshole since the 80's.  Always stand-offish and trying to hide from fans so they don't approach him.

[KevShmev]

I won't defend Tate, but not every musician in the limelight is an extrovert who loves talking to fans all day.  Sure, it's part of the business, and you know that going in, but for introverts, I can see how it would be a challenge.

[bosk1]

But he's not an introvert.  He makes himself inaccessible to fans, but that doesn't make him an introvert.