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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: bosk1 on March 04, 2013, 03:26:54 PM
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I hate to give this its own thread, just because I don't think it deserves much attention. But on the other hand, better to have it posted on its own than to potentially have this confused with the actual official Queensryche release planned for June 11th on Century Media.
Just hours after the official version of Queensryche released their announcement regaridng their new label and album release date (June 11), Geoff Tate had to follow suit with his band.
https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187003
I love the classy album art, complete with not only using the band's name, but prominently using their logo front and center, and including re-recordings of four of their songs.
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/gtfrequency.jpg)
Anyhow, thanks, Geoff, but I'll stick with the official band.
QUEENSRŸCHE Signs With CENTURY MEDIA - Mar. 4, 2013 (https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=186985)
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That cover is HILARIOUS. "Hey, guys, we'll call it Frequency Unknown, so we can have a fist with rings that read FU on it! It's subtle and classy!" :lol
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:facepalm: x infinity
-Marc.
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Boy oh boy, that came together fast. I wonder if the quick turn around will result in a lack of quality ;) ;) ;)
On a side note, I've got dibs on the re-recorded songs being tuned down at least one full step if not more. I wonder if I can sucker anyone into making a bet with me?
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So, let me make sure I have the sequence of events correct:
March 4, 2013, approx. 11:54 a.m., EST, by Geoff Tate: "I never even think about the former lineup at this point..." (https://www.legendaryrockinterviews.com/2013/03/04/queensryche-singer-geoff-tate-on-the-state-of-the-ryche-mindcrime-tour-former-bandmates-more/)
March 4, 2013, approx. 4:18 p.m., EST: Geoff Tate's "Queensryche" will release an album that includes covers of four Queensryche songs written by the former lineup. (https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187003)
:lol Well, gee, that's kinda ironic.
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That cover is HILARIOUS. "Hey, guys, we'll call it Frequency Unknown, so we can have a fist with rings that read FU on it! It's subtle and classy!" :lol
:rollin
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Wow...
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I don't even listen to Queensryche at all, but reading about all these new developments after the split is entertaining as hell.
Things just keep getting better and better. :corn
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Wow...
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That cover really made my night. :rollin
Its appropriate too, since I feel like GT has been saying FU to me for the past decade anyway.
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It's funny because as soon as I saw the QR new album story, I knew that Tate would be right behind them.
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I wonder whose lawyer or whoever at the court dropped the ball so both bands can have the name Queensryche? How in the world weren't they able to come up with a better solution? This is so stupid, I've never seen a bigger mess.
Also, I bet this thread will be a massive success. :lol
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Battle of the Queensryches! Oh man, this is going to be a fun-ass year. :lol
I just hope Shitryche's FU album doesn't drag down sales of the real one.
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What's the vest joke? I know Tate wears a vest, but what's the joke?
Oh, and lol Geoff Tate.
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The line up of guest stars is pretty impressive though.
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Those re-recordings are going to be awful.
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Those re-recordings are going to be awful.
And tuned down. Don't forget tuned down...
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What's the vest joke? I know Tate wears a vest, but what's the joke?
Oh, and lol Geoff Tate.
The vest joke originated on Blabbermouth. For about two months, any article focusing on Geoff Tate pictured this hilarious picture of him wearing a vest and trying to look uber-macho. It's actually more Blabbermouth, who formats articles in a dull as fuck, cut and paste way so, generally, roughly half the article is re-used quotes, factoids, and publicity shots, than Tate that made the image so pervasive- but the Blabbermouth crowd just RAN with it
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WTF? Seriously Geoff, any time I think you can pull through this with any sort of credibility or decency or whatever you just dig the hole deeper than I ever thought possible.
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That cover really made my night. :rollin
Its appropriate too, since I feel like GT has been saying FU to me for the past decade anyway.
This exactly. And reason enough to vindicate kicking his arse out the QR door. I'm just disappointed in KK and Dave Meniketti for getting involved in this trainwreck.
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On a side note, I've got dibs on the re-recorded songs being tuned down at least one full step if not more. I wonder if I can sucker anyone into making a bet with me?
For him to have a chance of singing the melodies as they were originally written without sounding like someone is performing an invasive procedure on him without anesthetic then yes, they'll have to be tuned down - by about half an octave.
But the man has so few working synapses left that he'll probably record them in standard tuning, completely mangle the vocal melodies then claim it's how the songs were always intended to sound.
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(https://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1314029520391.jpg)
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Fuck, April 23rd, shit this came so quick. I for one am actually intrigued to hear this. The list of guests is impressive to say the least. Tate's last solo album was nothing special, but it actually had a couple of decent moments. I don't like the guy, but I'm curious to hear both albums. I actually expected him to release it the same date as the other Queensryche.
The cover is as shit as any other Queensryche album though to be honest.
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I don't even listen to Queensryche at all, but reading about all these new developments after the split is entertaining as hell.
Things just keep getting better and better. :corn
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I don't even listen to Queensryche at all, but reading about all these new developments after the split is entertaining as hell.
Things just keep getting better and better. :corn
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I tend not to read Blabbermouth comments but I think I should start doing so for Queensryche news as these were pure gold. The best them:
" What was that again about Queensryche not getting a record deal?
What was that about them not being able to write their own music?
I'd say you were at least 81% wrong there, douchetool." :lol
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(https://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/MojoFilter99/Stupid%20Stuff/e14807ff.jpg)
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On a side note, I've got dibs on the re-recorded songs being tuned down at least one full step if not more. I wonder if I can sucker anyone into making a bet with me?
For him to have a chance of singing the melodies as they were originally written without sounding like someone is performing an invasive procedure on him without anesthetic then yes, they'll have to be tuned down - by about half an octave.
But the man has so few working synapses left that he'll probably record them in standard tuning, completely mangle the vocal melodies then claim it's how the songs were always intended to sound.
I was actually trying to be a bit of an asshole when I kept saying that. It's natural for a singer to lose some range as they get older. I don't fault anyone for that. However, considering some of the things that I've heard about his personal habits I feel justified.
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I'm probably going against popular opinion here, but I don't think Geoff Tate has EVER sounded good. His vocals have always been pretty lolsy to my ears. Even in his finest 80's moments, he's always seemed like a muppetized caricature of what a good hard-rock/heavy metal vocalist sounds like.
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I'm probably going against popular opinion here, but I don't think Geoff Tate has EVER sounded good. His vocals have always been pretty lolsy to my ears. Even in his finest 80's moments, he's always seemed like a muppetized caricature of what a good hard-rock/heavy metal vocalist sounds like.
Agreed.
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What would be funny is if Tate's album ends up being better than QR's.
Lots of expectations on the QR album, but none on Tate's.
Just saying.
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I have zero expectations for either. Neither has done anything since the mid 90s to make me believe that they can suddenly deliver a consistently good record.
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I have zero expectations for either. Neither has done anything since the mid 90s to make me believe that they can suddenly deliver a consistently good record.
This is exactly how I feel. I just wasn't able to organize my thoughts into one sentence and I didn't want to ramble.
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I don't even listen to Queensryche at all, but reading about all these new developments after the split is entertaining as hell.
Things just keep getting better and better. :corn
I never really like QR either but reading about QR drama is always fun.
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I have zero expectations for either. Neither has done anything since the mid 90s to make me believe that they can suddenly deliver a consistently good record.
Yeah, I hear you. But the band and writing dynamic since then has been a bit unusual, too. Through Promised Land, the writing was ALWAYS very collaborative, with Chris DeGarmo being the glue that held everything together and put all the other members' ideas into something cohesive. Pretty much everyone contributed somewhat, even if it was just ideas, and Wilton contributed heavily. Then you get to Hear In The Now Frontier, and everything changes because, for the first time, Chris not only has a new direction, but it is him completely in charge and doing most of the writing himself. (and, for the record, I LOVE that album and rank it ahead of several of their "classics") But after that, things REALLY change, and you can see how the writing dynamic is different on all the other albums going forward:
-Q2K: The band is more or less collaborating, but Kelly Gray is heavily contributing, and Geoff is really driving the ship. Although this album as a whole didn't work for me, it also represents a big shakeup in their lineup AND their writing dynamic. I would have liked to have seen where their sound would have gone if Kelly stayed onboard as a member of the band and they had kept the collaborative writing style. But it's easy to see why this album was such an anomaly in terms of sound and style.
-Tribe: A very "hit and miss" album for most fans. There are songs that many consider a true return to form. And there is good reason for that. Chris was temporarily back in the band, and wrote with them for some of the songs. But the fact that he did not participate in all of them, and the fact that he didn't stay on to complete the product created an album that was kind of all over the place. There was a lot on there that sounded perfectly in place with the classic Queensryche sound, and a lot that was just not very good. Again, a very inconsistent album. But where Chris and the rest of the guys are involved together, it mostly sounds great.
-Mindcrime II: This is the big departure. Geoff is now in charge and the other guys are not writing or contributing hardly at all. Most songs are written by an outside writer (Slater) under Tate's direction. In fact, some of the songs are were pre-written for an entirely different band, but they were unused, and Tate liked them, so they were reworked with Tate's creative ideas. Not a band effort by any stretch. But the few songs that have contributions by other band members (e.g. Murderer?, the main riff of which was written by Wilton) sound pretty good.
-American Soldier: Same approach as Mindcrime II, but with even less contribuation by anyone not named Tate or Slater.
-Dedicated To Chaos: Again, the same, with some ideas contributed by Scott.
But the above is not written to defend Queensryche. I point all of that out to justify why I actually do have some good expectations for the upcoming Queensryche official album. 1. They are writing together collaboratively as a band again for the first time really since Promised Land. Three of the five guys involved here were part of this process back when it worked, and Wilton has again stepped back up to the forefront, from what I understand. 2. Add to the mix two new guys in Parker and Todd who are proving that they understand and want to be part of and grow the Queensryche legacy by developing the classic Queensryche sound rather than coming in and changing it up. 3. Add to the mix Jimbo Barton, who was involved with Empire and Promised Land and is a big reason those albums sounded as good as they do. 4. And finally, and perhaps more importantly, the snippets that have been released so far, while too brief to draw any definite conclusions from, sound like Queensryche and sound a LOT better than most of what has been on any Queensryche album in a long time.
To sum up, I think there are very good reasons to have expectations for the Queensryche official album. Yeah, it's easy for those expectations to be unrealistic--the band still has a lot to prove, and I think it's premature and unrealistic to just assume a complete return to form that will blow everyone away and silence the critics. But by the same token, I think a reasonable return to form, and a pretty solid album are VERY reasonable expectations at this point given what we have to go on.
The problem with the last few albums, minus Dedicated To Chaos, which was complete garbage, was that they were decent albums with some good high points, but lots of "just good" and lots of "not good" moments. And I kept having to realize that if not for the fact that I'm a long-time Queensryche fan, if these were albums by some new band I was not yet into, I probably would not have wasted my time on them. Here, I'm not expecting another Mindcrime, Empire, or Promised Land. But I definitely AM expecting something that will make me say, "Yeah, no matter who wrote this, this is simply a very good album."
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tl;dr
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Of course you did, brown noser.
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I have at least slight expectations for the true QR release. While I fully expect to not even listen to the Taint. I'm just gonna refer to the Tate-QR as Taint from now on. Kthanks.
I see it like this: With QR, I expect to get a cake. While that cake may not be as delectable and delicious as I expected when I first laid eyes on it whilst my tummy was rumbling; I take that first bite and think to myself, "Well, it wasn't as incredible as I thought it'd be, but it's still pretty damn good!" My expectations are going to be too high anyway, no matter what, just because I'm so starved for anything QR that isn't destroyed by Tate; but if I expect that, then maybe I'll enjoy it anyway.
On the other end, we have Taint, which to me, looking at it, is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I want to eat shit? I'm starving, and there's nothing else in sight in this wasteland that is called Taintland. So, reluctantly, I take a bite of this shit. Then I die. My expectations were right, and yet it still managed to be worse than I had expected.
I'm not too great on metaphors... I don't think I'll be disappointed in this QR release..and there's no way I'll be expecting anything except shit from Taint, so while they may have the upper hand in that area, I really think it's impossible for them to deny my expectations by succeeding them. Failing them? That is entirely possible. But hey! Maybe shit isn't so bad... I'm not sure. I don't live in Taintland anymore. Place sucks.
(I haven't had my coffee yet)
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As far as the Tate album, I honestly don't care if it is good music. I'm just not interested. To use an analogy I made elsewhere, if I'm buying a car, and Company A and Company B both put out some pretty sweet cars that may both potentially meet my needs and have a lot of bells and whistles I like, that's cool if all other things are equal. But let's assume they aren't equal. Instead, let's assume:
-Company B's owner physically attacked and sucker punched the owner of company A, who is a much smaller man who doesn't fight, and Company B's owner likes to constantly brag about that fact and how Company A's owner is just a "p*ssy" if he's not willing to go toe to toe and defend himself.
-Company B's owner also took a swing at and spit at other Company A employees, and continued to spit on them during a live trade show where they were engaged with an audience and the Company A employees couldn't do anything about it without stopping and ruining the show for the customers who had paid to see it. And assume this is all caught on video and that, again, Company B's owner doesn't deny it and actually brags about it.
-Company B's owner sees nothing wrong with berating groups of customers who don't act as enthusiastically as he likes, and tells them they suck.
-Company B's owner likes to go on the air and call customers "p*ssies" if they don't like what he is selling.
Sorry, but in those circumstances, I don't see competition as a good thing. Frankly, no matter how good a product Company B puts out, I'm just not interested in what they are selling. That's not taking sides. That's just having some self-respect as a consumer.
IMO, there a perfectly reasoned and mature reason to refuse to support what Tate is doing for reasons other than just "picking sides." When you assault, threaten, and spit on your band mates, and publicly brag about it at every opportunity... When you repeatedly insult your fans... When you repeatedly try to sabotage the efforts of the very people you built your career with in the first place and then play the victim... Sorry, but I'm not interested in getting behind that whether you have a worthwhile product to sell me or not. Will I give it one or two listens on YouTube or if I find it in the used bin just to satisfy my curiousity? Yeah, probably. But even if it's good music, there are too many reasons to not support it.
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I still say they should´ve gone with a singer who doesn´t sound like a Tate-clone.
Dammit...wrong thread... :facepalm:
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I get the fact that it will be a collaborative effort for the first time in nearly 20 years, but consider DeGarmo was the main writer back then, and he isn't there anymore, having the guys still there all writing together now is like having the sides and garnishes on a dinner plate that is still missing the main dish. It's like, yeah, those extras are necessary to the overall meal, but you still need that main dish to bring it all together. DeGarmo was that main dish, and he is no longer there. And the remaining guys have little track record of strong, consistent songwriting sans DeGarmo and even Tate, so until I see it, my expectations will remain very low.
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I can't completely disagree with you, but I think classifying DeGarmo as the "main dish" is overstating it just a bit. Not much, but a little. The Tribe sessions, the few tracks where the other guys contributed (Hostage, The Hands, Murderer?, for example), and the Mosh Pit Demos by Whip and Scott proved to my ears that these guys have a lot of Queensryche in the tank that Tate was squelching. We'll see...
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Yep, we won't know till we hear what they come up with. The good news for me is, my expectations are so low that if they do anything good, they will have exceeded them. :biggrin:
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My expectations are.....
um....
Has anyone seen KNH's expectations?
#lolTaint
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Oh, this is getting fun now
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187040
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/droverrealqueen.jpg)
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Yes. It was posted in the Queensryche thread, and is probably more appropriately discussed there: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35997.msg1525726#msg1525726
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Most of my favourite QR songs are Wilton songs. He was my favourite over CDG as a guitarist. I have hopes that all will be well.
Tate and his "team" have been responsible for killing QR for me. I haven't bought a QR album since MCII.
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Crap, I mixed up the QR threads, my bad. :facepalm:
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:laugh: And here we have the stupidity of keeping two bands with the same name and different line-ups in action, right here for us to see! Beautiful. :yeahright
Crazy shit. I'm sure people who are new to this whole ordeal or new to QR in general are absolutely lost. Long-time fans get it mixed up, I feel sorry for anyone new on board.
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That's why I think the judge that allowed both sides to keep the name was full of shit. The market can't sort it out as easily as they seem to think it can.
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Sorry, but in those circumstances, I don't see competition as a good thing. Frankly, no matter how good a product Company B puts out, I'm just not interested in what they are selling. That's not taking sides. That's just having some self-respect as a consumer.
I think that you summed up everything that needs to be said (from my view, anyways) in this one sentence alone.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensr%C3%BFche_personnel#Queensr.C3.BFche_with_Todd_La_Torre_.282012.E2.80.93current.29
lol
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:facepalm:
:sadpanda:
It's sad to know that there's no way this cannot affect QR. Hopefully it'll just bring them more publicity, but I'm not too sure... It's such a fuckin' mess.
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That's why I think the judge that allowed both sides to keep the name was full of shit. The market can't sort it out as easily as they seem to think it can.
It's my understanding that this is a temporary situation. In the Eddie Trunk interview, Scott indicated that the situation should be resolved by November, when, if they haven't already come to an agreement, they'll fight it out in court. As I understand it, the judge in the earlier hearing didn't say that they could both use the name indefinitely, just that he didn't see a need for an injunction blocking one of the parties from using the name prior to the actual court date coming up.
Edit: That's from memory, so I may have gotten some details wrong.
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Close enough, yeah.
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This is so very glorious... :lol
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Has this ever happened with another band?
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what a cluster . . .
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This is so ridiculous, it's surreal. Seems like something you'd see on reality TV. :lolpalm:
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La Guns I believe
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LA Guns. Ratt. Great White. Saxon.
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Yeah, and there's an Aussie band not many would know about called the Angels, which has two versions of the same band.
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Just saw this
(https://i.imgur.com/nmET1J7.jpg)
And this on Metalsucks, had a good laugh
LOLgoroth pigchop • 4 hours ago −
brb printing this and replacing the actual CD cover, so that I can have Totes to sign it.
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:lol
I still think the cover should have a flying lougie on it somewhere.
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He comes off like some kid who was just kicked out of a game on the playground.
"You can't kick me out! I'll... I'll just start my own version of the band! And I'll use people who are much better than you! Much more hardcore! What?! You're releasing an album this year?! Well, I'll, um... I'll release a better album! Before you! And it'll be all hardcore! It'll be called Frequency Unknown, and the cover will be this awesome fist punching at you and it'll wear rings that say FU. Like the name of the album but it also means FUCK YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME AND DRINKING MY WINE! Cuz that's how they do it on youTUUUBE on youTUUUUBBE!!!" :censored
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Wait, did I not make up Taint!? I just randomly decided to call it that. I mean, I didn't add the 'ryche', but dag nab it! :lol I guess it is a pretty obvious thing to jump to.
That's awesome. And yes to the loogie.
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I think this also happened with the comedian Gallagher.
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He comes off like some kid who was just kicked out of a game on the playground.
"You can't kick me out! I'll... I'll just start my own version of the band! And I'll use people who are much better than you! Much more hardcore! What?! You're releasing an album this year?! Well, I'll, um... I'll release a better album! Before you! And it'll be all hardcore! It'll be called Frequency Unknown, and the cover will be this awesome fist punching at you and it'll wear rings that say FU. Like the name of the album but it also means FUCK YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME AND DRINKING MY WINE! Cuz that's how they do it on youTUUUBE on youTUUUUBBE!!!" :censored
Nice touch there at the end.
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It's the only memorable part of the album. :lol
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I think this also happened with the comedian Gallagher.
Yeah, he gave his brother (who looks just like him) the rights to the material, but on the condition that he makes it clear he's not the original. That didn't last long, and the original had to sue for an injunction against his brother.
That apparently included bearing a resemblance, which might actually mean there's a court order dictating the style of mustache the man can wear. :lol
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Wait, did I not make up Taint!? I just randomly decided to call it that. I mean, I didn't add the 'ryche', but dag nab it! :lol I guess it is a pretty obvious thing to jump to.
That's awesome. And yes to the loogie.
Portnoy was calling him Geoff Taint way back.
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Ohhhh nice, bwaha. Portnoy would do that publicly... (By the bye, I'm saying this as a good thing)
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Yeah, at the time, people gave Portnoy a lot of crap about it. Now that the cracks in the Geoff Tate facade are on full display, it's a different story.
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Well, it was still in poor taste for Portnoy to take their spat public and call him that, even if Tate has shown himself to be the second biggest douchebag in rock music (he still can't touch Axl Rose).
Along those lines, many have commented in the last 2 1/2 years at how poorly Portnoy has handled leaving DT with his many passive-aggressive comments online and on social media and whatnot, but compared to Tate, he looks like a saint. :lol
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Yeah, Geoff tain't even in the same ballpark as Portnoy anymore.
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but compared to Taint, he looks like a saint. :lol
Fixed for rhyming.
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So I just listened to the audio samples of FU on Itunes and its pretty meh.
and the re-recordings are just horrendous.
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Same here.
Even if the music is alright, Taint ruins it completely, and even then the music is alright at best, but doesn't feel like Queensryche at all.
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Okay, yeah this is exactly what I expected. I thought it was all pretty horrible and unbearable; there were a few instrumental moments that I didn't find completely unattractive though. Sweet.
Go home, Joffrey.
Dat Jet City Woman... :facepalm: ??? :huh:
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Listened. Admittedly, I had biases going in and expected to not like it. Tried to be objective. Did not like. Granted, these are compressed samples only. But I don't see myself changing my opinion anytime soon.
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Pretty much what I thought it would be: a slightly heavier Geoff Tate solo album, with the same style of shitty songs he's been forcing on Queensryche for a decade now. This has no business having the name Queensryche on it.
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Wow. Geoff has become William Shatner. Even modern studio trickery can't save that voice.
I liked the first track- the rest is utter bollocks. This is Geoff's "Heavy" album? And those re-records are embarrassingly awful. This is the best thing that could have happened for the official band.
I bet he thinks he nailed those old vocals :biggrin: :loser:
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Good god. Just got as far as Silent Lucidity. There are no words. :rollin
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Is this only on iTunes right now?
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Is this only on iTunes right now?
The samples are, yes.
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Found this on a search...and could not stop :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Greatest troll ever....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-ouxZGSnk
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Shit, I can do Jet City Woman better than that cover.
Which is what it is. A cover.
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Found this on a search...and could not stop :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Greatest troll ever....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-ouxZGSnk
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Man, it's like I'm watching third class Brazilian soap opera. :lol Shits like that only happen there.
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Oh man, these recordings are absolutely horrible.
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The re-recordings sounded like karaoke versions with an unenthusiastic singer who didn't give a fuck at all.
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You guys are so stupid. Geoff Tate is the voice of a generation. THIS GENERATION! He has the voice of an angel and the dong of Martin Luther King. AND HEADS UP. HES SMARTER THAN ANY OF YOU NOBODIES. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH YOUR LIVES? WAKE UP. when you have your own wine and were the lead singer of a band for 20 years then YOU CAN COMPLAIN. Also, his voice is still really good. Seriously, those rerecordings sound almost the exact same! Which is my only complaint. But if you closed your eyes. You would swear it was young Geoff Tate. And I'm just going to say what needs to be said. NEW QUEENSRYCHE IS BETTER THAN OLD QUEENSRYCHE. I'm GLAD Geoff started bringing in outside people even before lameasses like Cockenfeld, Whiltdick, DeSHITmo, BassEd, formed their on FAKE ASS queensryche because they couldn't handle a genius like TATE. NEW QUEENSRYCHE isn't some shitty Hair metal band, Geoff brought them in a MODERN direction with real songwriting not bullshit wanking. WAKE UP AND GET WITH IT. I LOVE YOU TATE, I SUPPORT YOU NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!
- A statement that nobody smart ever said.
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Just listened to the iTunes samples.
Holy fuck. Just holy fuck. What did he do to my precious "I Don't Believe In Love"? :sad:
As for the new songs, they seem to have the same problem I had with DTC: some of the actual music sounds promising, but Tate's warbling muppet voice takes a shitparade all over it.
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Found this on a search...and could not stop :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Greatest troll ever....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-ouxZGSnk
I actually listened to a minute of this before I realized it was a joke. And what a minute it was. :lol
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The really sad thing about the Frequency Unknown samples is that there's evidence of a pretty good album in there just trying to get out. Cold, In the Hands of God and Everything in particular strike me as songs I would be interested in hearing more of.
Unfortunately, Geoff's voice totally ruins it at every turn. At this point, I think he either needs to give up the QR name, quit music and throw himself into his wine... or work really hard, preferably with a coach... and try to salvage what little voice he has left. Because his performance on this was absolutely unacceptable.
As for the re-recordings. Totally the worst idea he's had in a long time. They only serve to further highlight how terrible he's become at his craft.
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I have paused the new Soilwork to listen to these samples. I am going to jot down my thoughts in real time while I listen;
Cold - First off, the riff sounds okay and all in all the music sounds quite good, but Geoff sounds exactly the same as his solo album, flat and without melody. The song has potential though.
Dare - Reminds me off something from Tribe, but worse since I love Tribe. Shit chorus.
Give it To You - Oh fuck, straight away you know this isn't gonna be anything good.
Slave - Nice riff indeed straight up, I like that. Hang on, has Geoff got asthma or something or is he having a heart attack while trying to sing here.
In the Hands of God - This sounds okay and Geoff sounds like he slightly gives a fuck here.
Running Backwards - Nice music and guitar straight up, I like where this is goin........"Last time I looked you weren't feeling too good... about love." For fucks sake G-Dog!!! You've ruined another fucking song.
Life Without You - Again, music sounds really promising here and I love the try hard Mindcrime clean guitar sound. Geoff shoots, but misses. His vocals are just flat.
Everything - Now the samples are sounding pretty similar with not much variety showing which could hurt things. Not sure what Geoff is going for here, is this his 'sexy' voice or something, or can he not open his mouth to sing anymore?
Fallen - Okay, I'm over it now, I want to put my Soilwork cd back on, but the covers are coming up, I gotta check these out.
The Weight of the World - Oh fuck no! NEXT!
I Don't Believe in Love - What the fuck is the guitarist using here, a home made guitar and a $50 practice amp, Jesus. The drummer doesn't believe in this song either by the sounds of it, I swear the tempo got slower as the sample went on. Geoff sounds like a cat getting tortured here too. Absolute tripe.
Empire - The practice amps are out again. Fuck Geoff......fuck.........fuck no....NOOOOO!!!
Jet City Woman - "Everytime I LEAVE." :rollin :rollin :rollin Is this that show where the contestants sing the song and have to sing the missing lines, holy fucking fuck!! :rollin
Silent Lucidity - Geoff 'chorus' Tate. I have never heard so much chorus and reverb saturating a vocal line.
Well, the re-recordings sound like they deserve to be hunted down and stabbed with pitchforks, they are just terrible, Geoff must be fucking crazy to put these on an official album. Eddie, Scott, and Michael are going to have the party of their life listening to these.
Although, I will say, there is some promise with the original material, and I will probably check it out. It's pretty much the same as Tate's last album, but I didn't mind some of that. The problem is he just can't keep a memorable or focused vocal melody, and it just sounds like he's scatting or something the whole time. Geoff is definitely the weak link here. I ahve no doubt the other version of this band will top this whole album in one or two songs.
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As for the re-recordings. Totally the worst idea he's had in a long time. They only serve to further highlight how terrible he's become at his craft.
I really don't know what he was thinking. No good could come of further inviting comparison to his former glory.
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Did they use MIDI for the Empire cover?
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Hopefully Tate's Queensryche will realize he's the weak link, and kick him out to continue as a second Queensryche, leaving Geoff to begin a third Queensryche so that the cycle can begin anew. :lol
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Is it just me, or does the recording sound like:
1.) Geoff Tate singing through practice amp
2.) Guitar played through digitech effects board with built-in drum loops
3.) Very low-volume, lurking and barely audible bass, maybe just guitar played again with pedal octave controls
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Tate just put this out to serve as a low-budget, high-reward "F-U" to QR and their fans.
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Hopefully Tate's Queensryche will realize he's the weak link, and kick him out to continue as a second Queensryche, leaving Geoff to begin a third Queensryche so that the cycle can begin anew. :lol
Oh god... one can dream. :D
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Hopefully Tate's Queensryche will realize he's the weak link, and kick him out to continue as a second Queensryche, leaving Geoff to begin a third Queensryche so that the cycle can begin anew. :lol
Oh god... one can dream. :D
that. would. be. awesome.
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Yeah, I have to say, while there are moments that sound decent (mostly in the music, not the vocals), as a whole, this is just awful. I know tastes differ, but I don't see how anyone with any objectivity can say otherwise.
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Could this be deliberate sabotage to the real Queensryche?
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Could this be deliberate sabotage to the real Queensryche?
You know, as crazy as it sounds, that thought occurred to me, and I just can't rule it out. I mean, think about it: Fans who have been following the fiasco closely enough to really know what is going on have largely already made up their minds, whether they are in Tate's camp only, Queensryche's only, or will buy both and just decide what they like. Fans who have NOT been following and have no clue are only going to see that it is "Queensryche's 13th album," hear that it is horrible, and probably never buy a thing from the band again, including Queensryche's actual album that comes out in June. Does that hurt Geoff in the slightest? Not really. He knows he likely only can get away with using the Queensryche name until November. After that, everything he does will be under a different name. Again, as far as the majority of rock fans out there who don't follow the news closely, it'll be the Queensryche name that is damaged, not necessarily Tate's name. He can pick up the pieces of his career and move on with whatever project he decides to do. And a bad album doesn't really hurt his upcoming tour either. A decent amount of people will come just because it's being touted as "Queensryche playing Operation: Mindcrime." Again, for those who don't know any better, a bad new album won't matter--they will just want to see "Queensryche" doing Mindcrime. So in the grand scheme of things, Geoff surely knowing he can't win the lawsuit anyway (at least, not in terms of getting control of the band name) isn't really hurt at all by a bad album. It's not like it was going to sell a lot of copies anyway even if it was decent. But a bad album hurts the Queensryche name in the short run. So, yeah, I think there is a good case that this was deliberate sabotage, and pretty well done too in that the ablum is bad enough to alienate potential casual Queensryche fans, but a just decent enough effort for plausible deniability. It's brilliant.
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To assume it's bad because of some grand plan is probably giving too much credit. :lol It's bad because it's bad.
I'd assume it's extra bad because it was rushed to get it out in time under the Queensryche name to get some sales from bandname recognition before that's no longer an option.
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Yes, it's bad because it was rushed. But why was it rushed? The number of extra sales isn't likely to be much, actually. The only reason to rush is to get it out before the Queensryche album comes out.
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Yes, it's bad because it was rushed. But why was it rushed? The number of extra sales isn't likely to be much, actually. The only reason to rush is to get it out before the Queensryche album comes out.
There's that too, I suppose. But I think even the "not many" sales he will get this way is probably more than he'll get when he has to release it under a different name.
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I think if this was deliberate sabotage Geoff would not have gone through the trouble of having all those guest musicians.
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I think if this was deliberate sabotage Geoff would not have gone through the trouble of having all those guest musicians.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the label's doing. It is Cleopatra Records, the label that does all those classic rock tribute albums with tons of special guests. They are probably responsible for the re-recordings too, as they can put them on compilations (and, I assume, license them to movies, TV shows, etc).
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Oh, I didn't really know the label at all, but from that description they are class acts just like Magna Carta most likely...
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If Geoff comes out with his album first, does that help his legal case at all? I know part of what helps you patent a band name in the beginning is being able to show that you're selling music nationally under the name.
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From a purely legal standpoint, it means nothing. Does it allow his lawyers to make a factual argument about him being more dialed in and focused? Maybe, but it's a pretty thin argument if you ask me.
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I never cared for Queensryche and I only opened this thread for the drama but couldn't help but laugh at that cover :rollin. Tate is so subtle :lol.
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How much did Dedicated To Chaos sell its first week? 8000 copies? Do you think that was in-the-know fans or casual fans? Because I can't imagine either of the new albums selling much better than that, unless a lot of in-the-know fans buy the La Torre album and skip the Tate one.
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I think if this was deliberate sabotage Geoff would not have gone through the trouble of having all those guest musicians.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the label's doing. It is Cleopatra Records, the label that does all those classic rock tribute albums with tons of special guests. They are probably responsible for the re-recordings too, as they can put them on compilations (and, I assume, license them to movies, TV shows, etc).
Having heard the samples at iTunes no-one is going to license those clips. Silent Lucidity is laughably bad.
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How much did Dedicated To Chaos sell its first week? 8000 copies? Do you think that was in-the-know fans or casual fans? Because I can't imagine either of the new albums selling much better than that, unless a lot of in-the-know fans buy the La Torre album and skip the Tate one.
6000 copies, if memory serves.
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No, it was 8000.
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I thought it was 6000, and it was hilarious because Symphony X sold more records with 8000.
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How much did Dedicated To Chaos sell its first week? 8000 copies? Do you think that was in-the-know fans or casual fans? Because I can't imagine either of the new albums selling much better than that, unless a lot of in-the-know fans buy the La Torre album and skip the Tate one.
6000 copies, if memory serves.
Google is hard.
"Dedicated To Chaos", the new album from Seattle progressive rockers QUEENSRŸCHE, sold 8,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to land at position No. 70 on The Billboard 200 chart.
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Actually caring about Geoff Tate's Queensryche enough to google that shit is harder. :lol
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What a circus.
Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188056
New Album From GEOFF TATE's QUEENSRŸCHE Still On Course For April 23 Release - Mar. 28, 2013
Deadline Music/Cleopatra has released the following statement to BLABBERMOUTH.NET regarding the reports that "Frequency Unknown", the new album from the Geoff Tate-fronted version of QUEENSRŸCHE, was being remixed by acclaimed musician, record producer and engineer Billy Sherwood:
"Since previews of the new QUEENSRŸCHE album were made available to the general public on iTunes and other digital retailers, some of the response has been less than positive. Some complained about the overall quality of the recordings, and in particular the mix. We here at Deadline Music have the utmost confidence in the powerful songwriting and outstanding performances from Geoff Tate and crew on this album, but we also want the fans to know that we are listening to them as well! So, in the interest of democratic free choice, Deadline Music has commissioned the superbly talented musician/producer Billy Sherwood (formerly of YES) to remix the album. Now fans will be able to decide which mix they feel best represents the album: the original mix, which will be released on April 23rd, or the new mix by Billy Sherwood that will be made available at a future date to be announced…. WE REMIX, YOU DECIDE!"
Sherwood revealed in a posting on his Facebook page on Monday that he was hired to remix "Frequency Unknown". Sherwood wrote: "[It] seems there are sonic issues with the previous versions and so I shall be fixing it for all to enjoy. [I am] starting on it [Wednesday] morning [March 27]."
"Frequency Unknown" was produced by Jason Slater at a studio in Northern California.
Although a lineup for Tate's QUEENSRŸCHE was originally announced in the fall of 2012, things have changed. The band will now feature Tate along with bassist Rudy Sarzo (OZZY OSBOURNE, DIO, WHITESNAKE, QUIET RIOT), guitarist Kelly Gray (QUEENSRŸCHE 1998-2001), keyboardist Randy Gane and new additions, guitarist Robert Sarzo (QUIET RIOT, HURRICANE) and drummer Simon Wright (AC/DC, DIO, RHINO BUCKET). Guest musicians on the CD include K.K. Downing (JUDAS PRIEST), Chris Poland (MEGADETH), Ty Tabor (KING'S X), Paul Bostaph (SLAYER, TESTAMENT, EXODUS), Lita Ford, Brad Gillis (NIGHT RANGER), Dave Meniketti (Y&T) and Craig Locicero (FORBIDDEN).
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This just keeps getting funnier by the minute.
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Since previews of the new QUEENSRŸCHE album were made available to the general public on iTunes and other digital retailers, some of the response has been less than positive. Some The majority complained about the overall quality of the recordings, and in particular the mix. Geoff Tate sounding like a bag of dicks.
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Billy Sherwood's a great choice for Tatesryche, considering the dude has mostly worked on tribute albums for the last 10 years.
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I'm sure this announcement is going to do wonders for album sales. "Buy the crappy mix version now, or wait until some indefinite time in the future to get a good mix!" ::)
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Billy Sherwood's a great choice for Tatesryche, considering the dude has mostly worked on tribute albums for the last 10 years.
To be fair, he's also made a lot of original music (solo, Circa, and Yoso) recently. But still, his career is mostly focused around tribute albums...
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So, there is already a cash grab re-release before the original is even released. This is really absurd, they are getting someone to remix it but still happy enough with the original final product to make fans buy it. :facepalm:
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is a scheme to boost album sales, so they/Tate can proclaim to have sold more copies than the real Queensryche's new album.
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Possibly. It will be interesting to see if the re-released one will have different bonus tracks or something to boost the sales.
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Somebody really needs to make a reality show with Geoff Tate. People love that stuff and I think Tate would not only thrive, but would become a pretty big mainstream star as a result.
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It's probably already in the works.
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Somebody really needs to make a reality show with Geoff Tate. People love that stuff and I think Tate would not only thrive, but would become a pretty big mainstream star as a result.
I totally agree. At the very least, I could see him on a celeb-reality television show. Also, if they ever resurrect VH1's "Behind the Music," Queensrÿche would make a great episode.
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Somebody really needs to make a reality show with Geoff Tate. People love that stuff and I think Tate would not only thrive, but would become a pretty big mainstream star as a result.
I totally agree. At the very least, I could see him on a celeb-reality television show. Also, if they ever resurrect VH1's "Behind the Music," Queensrÿche would make a great episode.
:rollin This. He's a male Snookie at this point. I would totally watch that.
Queenshore
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Somebody really needs to make a reality show with Geoff Tate. People love that stuff and I think Tate would not only thrive, but would become a pretty big mainstream star as a result.
I totally agree. At the very least, I could see him on a celeb-reality television show. Also, if they ever resurrect VH1's "Behind the Music," Queensrÿche would make a great episode.
:rollin This. He's a male Snookie at this point. I would totally watch that.
Queenshore
He's half way there with that eyeliner.
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Well, say what you want, but it's hard to make any other case. Geoff Tate puts the "Queen" in Queensryche.
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Personally, I'm hoping for a 3rd edition to come out. "Super Duper Deluxe Import Collector's Edition". This would contain the original mix, the remix, third disc of outakes/demos and a dvd with a making of FU.
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Billy Sherwood has just withdrawn from remixing the album! :lol
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Oh, shit... :rollin
It's apparently beyond help...
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well, that was short-lived
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I guess I'll only get to buy one version of the album. :'(
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Billy Sherwood has just withdrawn from remixing the album! :lol
I fully believe you, but link?
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Billy Sherwood has just withdrawn from remixing the album! :lol
I fully believe you, but link?
It's on Billy Sherwood's Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/billy.sherwood.54?fref=ts
I've withdrawn from mixing the Queensryche project... Scheduling issues became a conflict, I'm in the middle of many projects both Studio productions and live stuff.... ("Prog Collective 2", "Steve Miller Tribute", "WIlliam Shatner Solo record", starting a "Doors tribute" soon, playing live in a few days with Eddie Jobson in Mexico, also just got interesting offer to play bass with a prog icon for a few gigs in June, I will announce "who" when it gets closer). While I was excited about taking the QR gig, reality is there is not enough time in my schedule at present... and so... I wish them luck on the project !!
I guess Blabbermouth hasn't picked up on it yet, but this was the same Facebook page where he announced that he was remixing it.
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You know you suck when your mixer chooses William Shatner over you.
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Jeez Louise, and I thought the drama with DT and Mike was complicated.
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You know you suck when your mixer chooses William Shatner over you.
dude, his "has been" album is good.
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You know you suck when your mixer chooses William Shatner over you.
dude, his "has been" album is good.
What ever floats your boat.
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You take that back. He has the voice of an angel.
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You take that back. He has the voice of an a tone-deaf angel.
FTFY
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Yeah Has Been is not all that bad. I hesitate to call it "good," but I did find it fairly enjoyable.
Especially the track with Rollins. :)
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The live version of "It Hasn't Happened Yet" with Ben Folds is incredible.
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Oh god, now Sherwood changes his mind about remixing it. This is getting GLORIOUS.
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For real... what's next? I'm srsly interested in this just to see how badly it can go down in flames. It's like watching an episode of Jersey Shore... I know that I hate it, I know that if I had a Death Note, all their names would go in it, and I know that my immense migraine is because of the show...and yet...I watch in awe as the stupidity that unfolds beckons me like a pair of boobies with those cute little tiny nippy nips.
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You know you suck when your mixer chooses William Shatner over you.
dude, his "has been" album is good.
What ever floats your boat.
Listen to this:The live version of "It Hasn't Happened Yet" with Ben Folds is incredible.
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Somebody really needs to make a reality show with Geoff Tate. People love that stuff and I think Tate would not only thrive, but would become a pretty big mainstream star as a result.
I totally agree. At the very least, I could see him on a celeb-reality television show. Also, if they ever resurrect VH1's "Behind the Music," Queensrÿche would make a great episode.
Behind the Music has already been resurrected. I think they did new episodes last year, and they've done a whole lot of "remastered" episodes that update older episodes with newer information.
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Alright, how about Queensryche 3.0, Glen Drover on guitar and Billy on bass, who's next. :lol
Seriously, he would have known his schedule when signing up. Same story as Glen, heard the product, talked to Geoff and got the fuck out of there.
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I think the fact that both Pamela Moore and Jimbo Barton have sided w/ ToddRyche speaks volumes.
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This is quickly becoming the most entertaining thread on this forum.
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FYI, Samsara appeared on The Classic Metal Show this past weekend as "Breakdown Room Brian" and discussed the QR drama and Tate's antics. He was then followed up by a character called the "real" Geoff Tate who provided some laughs. The whole segment is an hour, but it's a fun listen for anyone interested in the QR craziness: https://www.spreaker.com/user/cmsrocks/paddling_easter_ham
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FYI, Samsara appeared on The Classic Metal Show this past weekend as "Breakdown Room Brian" and discussed the QR drama and Tate's antics. He was then followed up by a character called the "real" Geoff Tate who provided some laughs. The whole segment is an hour, but it's a fun listen for anyone interested in the QR craziness: https://www.spreaker.com/user/cmsrocks/paddling_easter_ham
Listening to the clip now. "The Real Geoff Tate" practically makes an appearance weekly on The Classic Metal Show. Highly Entertaining! Virtually every one of his clips is Radio Gold. The rest of their radio show is pretty fun, too.
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New single, "Cold": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzDJHuxBTUw&sns=em
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As I said elsewhere: For the most part, the music is decent. The riffing is nice. Solo is decent. I actually like the basic vocal melodies as well. Musically, this is better than anything on DTC, but not as good as anything but the lower-mid tier Mindcrime II or American Soldier tracks. But vocally, it is just awful. As has been a pattern since American Soldier, Tate sounds thin, strained, often off-key, and just plain bad. And it is not the mix. It is definitely the singing. I have to call a spade a spade, and Geoff is indeed the weakest link on what might otherwise be a good (not great, but good) song.
It's too bad they rushed this. Had they taken the time to take what are obviously some good musical ideas and flesh them out a bit more, including creating more layering and complexity, it could have been better. Of course, if the last few albums are any indication, the vocals would still sound bad. But at least that would be about the only legitimate criticism for what could have been a pretty good song.
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Could still make a nice collector's item if Tate loses the lawsuit, I suppose. :lol
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That has no business being called a Queensryche song.
I can't wait for the Actual Queensryche to smite Tate and his heresy.
Like Bosk said, that possibly could have been a decent-good song, but Tate completely ruins it with his failing vocals.
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So there's a local metal site that linked to this as simply "Queensryche's new single", but didn't even mention the real Queensryche's "Redemption". LEARN YOUR SHIT.
1:37 was so painful.
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Well, Geoff's voice doesn't sound quite as grating as I remember it being on American Soldier and DTC. Melody and riffs aren't terrible. But it comes off as kind of a generic rock song with Geoff squawking all over it. It's better than I expected, but not much motivation to go pick up the CD.
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Interested in listening to this tonight after work. How's the quality of production?
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The video is highly annoying and the song is boring.
Just my little input.
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Yeah, it's not terrible except for the guitar solo. That solo had no right what-so-ever being recorded. It's ill-advised wankery at best and completely laughable. Geoff's voice was ok, but not great.
The biggest problem with this song is that it doesn't resemble anything "queensryche" at all.
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Night and day better than anything off DTC. That doesn't say much, but it's a pretty good song. The guitar solo sounds a little out of place though, almost comes out of nowhere and seems like they just took it from another song and placed it into this one. I have no real complaints though.
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This song would be a monster radio hit...in 2000 or so, and if the band doing it was Disturbed. Though even then the totally inappropriate guitar solo would never have fit in. That feels like it was flown in from another song entirely. It's just so obviously half-baked and rushed and...bland. It's not even BAD. It's just really fucking BORING.
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I quite like the song and it sounds fine- maybe that piano is buried a bit too much. Tate sounds as you would expect but not as bad as I thought he would, apart from a couple of painful moments. I agree the solo doesn't belong. I don't mind it, it just doesn't fit here. I take it it's one of the guests?
I doubt the rest of the album will be as good as this, especially having heard the samples. Definately better than the shite that was DtC and his solo QR album from last year.
Bbut the video billing hiom as Geoff Tate & QR? Delusional beyond belief. They are not, and never will be QR, just his backing band. And it will change again before the tour's finished.
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Just listened to this song and I really like it. The production does sound a little muddy but overall it's pretty decent. Tate sounds better than the last couple of records, but still not the best.
I actually really enjoyed the solo, but I'm pretty sure it's definitely Kelly Grey, not any of teh guests. Even though this is decent, the style of this song has nothing to do with the name Queensryche. This is obviously another Tate solo record just with the Queensryche name stuck on it.
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It's really not bad. I actually like it more than the other QR song.
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Sounds to me like it could have fit on Q2K. It's actually not that bad as far as simplistic rock songs go. It just doesn't really have much worth caring about. And as usual, Geoff sounds like ass.
It's a shame, really. The sample actually had me intrigued but now I hear the whole thing I just really don't care at all.
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A lot better than expected, and definitely a step up from Dedicated to Chaos, perhaps on par with some American Soldier material. That said the solo does sound quite out of place and is easily the weak link in the song. Tate doesn't sound like the Tate of old, but as with much of recent Queensryche I wouldn't say he sounds nearly as horrible as many seem to make him out to be. And it is kinda odd Todd seemed to be using more vocal effects than Geoff.
I still will likely give Redemption the edge in best first single.
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The song was a lot better than I was expecting. I think "Redemption" sounds much more like Queensryche, but this song was pretty good, and Geoff sounded fine to me.
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Geoff Live with Heidi and Frank (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdumxOuWzk)
Oh no! This is one of his worst performances yet!
Geoff, please, for your legacy if no one else's.... stop calling yourself Queensryche. :(
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I really need to stop reading YT comments. How can anyone defend that horrid performance? How?!
"Well it's early in the morning. Let's see you sing great at 9 a.m.!"
Really?
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Regarding the new GT song:
The song actually sounds decent in many respects, which is a plesant surprise. The riff is nice and crunchy, I actually like the keyboards (although they sound a bit muted) and it seems like Tate and Slater actually came up with some halfway decent vocal melodies. The song has a relatively modern metal vibe to it, and it doesn't sound as contrived as I expected. Something about the verse, in particular, reminds me a bit of Kamelot, and since I am a huge fan of Kamelot, that is a mighty compliment coming from me.
Unfortunately, the song still has some major issues. Tate's vocals are just shot to hell and back now, and he can't hold a note to save his life. When he's singing the lower register parts in the verse, he sounds ok, but the vocal melodies in the chorus just fall so very, very flat. The result is that what should be the biggest part of the song just sounds weak and neutered, and that big moment that every pop/rock song needs just never comes, pretty much due solely to Geoff's vox sounding like shit these days. His range is decimated, and his little vocal establishments that attempt to spice up the songs just come across as forced and unnatural. And when he does go for the big notes..... ye Gods, WTF, Geoff? That "This Feels Right" part at the end of the second verse is cringe-inducing.
Oh and that solo. Yea, it sounds alright, but it also sounds like it was cut and pasted from another song. Beyond that, the chorus just runs straight on into it, giving no breathing room and no build-up to the solo. And the solo itself has no dynamics or variety, and therefore, no emotion. Seriously, this sounds like an amateur who thinks he's the next Yngwie ripping out a couple of quick scale licks just the show off his "skillz".
So, overall, better then I was expecting (much better, actually) but it still fails to hide the major underlying problem; that Geoff is his own worst enemy now for the simple fact that he cannot sing.
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The new song from Tate's "Queensryche": sounds like a post-grunge song with Def Leppard's Rick Allen doing the drumming.
I don't consider this a good thing.
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The song actually sounds decent in many respects, which is a plesant surprise. The riff is nice and crunchy, I actually like the keyboards (although they sound a bit muted) and it seems like Tate and Slater actually came up with some halfway decent vocal melodies.
I think the reason it sounds better than the average Slater/Tate song is that Slater/Tate didn't write it. That one was written by another outside writer, Lukas Rossi.
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I keep reading that as Slater Tater, Bosk. Which is what I think I'll be calling this Queensryche from now on. :lol
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Works for me.
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I've never knowingly listened to a note of Queensryche outside of Operation Mindcrime, but I've been semi-regularly checking in on this thread anyway because, frankly, this saga is beyond amazing.
I'd like to humbly suggest "Geoff Tate's Queensryche Tribute Band" as a name for his new project.
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I think the reason it sounds better than the average Slater/Tate song is that Slater/Tate didn't write it. That one was written by another outside writer, Lukas Rossi.
Funny enough, Lukas Rossi is a pretty decent singer, if Slater ends up looking for another one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukas_Rossi
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"Geoff Tate's Lonely Hearts Queensryche Tribute Band"
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I think the reason it sounds better than the average Slater/Tate song is that Slater/Tate didn't write it. That one was written by another outside writer, Lukas Rossi.
Funny enough, Lukas Rossi is a pretty decent singer, if Slater ends up looking for another one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukas_Rossi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukas_Rossi)
Oh, that guy.
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The song actually sounds decent in many respects, which is a plesant surprise. The riff is nice and crunchy, I actually like the keyboards (although they sound a bit muted) and it seems like Tate and Slater actually came up with some halfway decent vocal melodies.
I think the reason it sounds better than the average Slater/Tate song is that Slater/Tate didn't write it. That one was written by another outside writer, Lukas Rossi.
Wow, I didn't know that, wow.
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I love how on setlist.fm for the show Geoff did on 4/6, underneath each song they say "Queensryche cover." :lol
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The new single is better than I expected but by their older standard it's still bad. It may sound highly subjective but Tate's vocal is just terrible here. It's like, oh yeah music is pretty good, nicely done arrangement, beautiful solo but the vox destroys everything.
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The new single is better than I expected but by their older standard it's still bad. It may sound highly subjective but Tate's vocal is just terrible here. It's like, oh yeah music is pretty good, nicely done arrangement, beautiful solo but the vox destroys everything.
I completely agree with all of that.
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The song actually sounds decent in many respects, which is a plesant surprise. The riff is nice and crunchy, I actually like the keyboards (although they sound a bit muted) and it seems like Tate and Slater actually came up with some halfway decent vocal melodies.
I think the reason it sounds better than the average Slater/Tate song is that Slater/Tate didn't write it. That one was written by another outside writer, Lukas Rossi.
Really?! So even with his buddy Slater, Tate needed yet another yes-man songwriter to produce a halfway decent sounding single? Pft, that's just pathetic (not that I'm surprised, this sort of behaviour has been Tate's modus operandi since O:MII. )
Based on the samples and this single, the album may have a few good moments, but over all it just sounds like a slightly rocked up version of the same drivel Tate and Co. have been spewing since 2006; slightly metal-ish rock with spoken word verses and really, really flat and weak choruses. His voice is his own worst enemy at this point, and all his bad habits and neglect of his instrument have caught up with him. Granted, the song is not bad, but if this is the best he can do, then I'm not impressed.
Karma's a bitch, Tater.
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Over at Melodicrock.com there is a post comparing Tate's original Jet City Woman vocal and the re-record. Not sure of the validity but shall we say it's interesting...
Doesn't sound like the vocal on the iTunes samples from a few weeks ago because that was awful. Very naughty if he has just stolen his original. The music still sounds weak and crap on the re-record.
https://soundcloud.com/shando316/jet-city-woman-re-recording-vs
and that version of EoaS is fine- if you take Tate out of it.
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Over at Melodicrock.com there is a post comparing Tate's original Jet City Woman vocal and the re-record. Not sure of the validity but shall we say it's interesting...
Doesn't sound like the vocal on the iTunes samples from a few weeks ago because that was awful. Very naughty if he has just stolen his original. The music still sounds weak and crap on the re-record.
It really wouldn't surprise me in the least if he would try and pull something like that.
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That song was absolutely horrid.
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Surprisingly, I like "Cold" better than "Redemption"... :huh:
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Over at Melodicrock.com there is a post comparing Tate's original Jet City Woman vocal and the re-record. Not sure of the validity but shall we say it's interesting...
Doesn't sound like the vocal on the iTunes samples from a few weeks ago because that was awful. Very naughty if he has just stolen his original. The music still sounds weak and crap on the re-record.
https://soundcloud.com/shando316/jet-city-woman-re-recording-vs
and that version of EoaS is fine- if you take Tate out of it.
This is weird, the first line 'but without you' is definitely re-recorded, as the word 'without' sounds different, but then the next line sounds quite close to the original, he could indeed be doing a dodgy but just in places.
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They could be alternate takes I guess. He just can't sing that well anymore.
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That "I can't breathe..." line in JCW is a little deceiving....it's not "Queen Of The Reich" high, but it's certainly not a cakewalk note...
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Wow.....
I mean, even if he hypothetically was BETTER than he used to be, there would still be *SOME* kindof variation to the re-record version. SOMETHING to give away that it's a different take. But there is NO VARIATION WHATSOEVER. He just took the exact same take and overlayed it over new instrumentation. This is almost as bad as getting caught lip syncing at your own show....which hasn't happened yet, but I'm convinced it's next.
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I still only heard the sample but as I said, that first line is definitely a new recording, not so sure about the next one though.
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I still only heard the sample but as I said, that first line is definitely a new recording, not so sure about the next one though.
???
If you're talking about that sample....the "first line" is the original recording from Empire. The second line is the supposed "re-recording" and the third line is both of them playing simultaneously, thus proving (IMO) that he didn't re-record his vocals *AT ALL* and is just splicing his original performance over newly re-recorded instrumentation.
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Over at Melodicrock.com there is a post comparing Tate's original Jet City Woman vocal and the re-record. Not sure of the validity but shall we say it's interesting...
Doesn't sound like the vocal on the iTunes samples from a few weeks ago because that was awful. Very naughty if he has just stolen his original. The music still sounds weak and crap on the re-record.
https://soundcloud.com/shando316/jet-city-woman-re-recording-vs
and that version of EoaS is fine- if you take Tate out of it.
This is weird, the first line 'but without you' is definitely re-recorded, as the word 'without' sounds different, but then the next line sounds quite close to the original, he could indeed be doing a dodgy but just in places.
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This is almost as bad as getting caught lip syncing at your own show....which hasn't happened yet, but I'm convinced it's next.
Yeah it has. Go and find the video of Queensryche performing Empire at Rocklahoma (May 27 2012). He lip syncs most of the chorus, only coming in right at the end of the phrases.
They could be alternate takes I guess. He just can't sing that well anymore.
The processing on the vocal tracks of the original differs from the modern one hence why if you listen to them one after the other they sound subtly different, but the fact that there's absolutely no chorus effect when you lay one on top of the other is damning - they're the same take.
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Over at Melodicrock.com there is a post comparing Tate's original Jet City Woman vocal and the re-record. Not sure of the validity but shall we say it's interesting...
Doesn't sound like the vocal on the iTunes samples from a few weeks ago because that was awful. Very naughty if he has just stolen his original. The music still sounds weak and crap on the re-record.
https://soundcloud.com/shando316/jet-city-woman-re-recording-vs
and that version of EoaS is fine- if you take Tate out of it.
Wow, this sounds nothing like the itunes version of his vocals.
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This is almost as bad as getting caught lip syncing at your own show....which hasn't happened yet
Yes it has. He's been lip synching parts of songs for YEARS. Where have you been?
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This is almost as bad as getting caught lip syncing at your own show....which hasn't happened yet
Yes it has. He's been lip synching parts of songs for YEARS. Where have you been?
Geoff lip syncs? Source??
And if that's true...couldn't he have used a better take? If he even sounds like crap for the recorded lip sync track, then things are even worse than I thought!
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This is almost as bad as getting caught lip syncing at your own show....which hasn't happened yet
Yes it has. He's been lip synching parts of songs for YEARS. Where have you been?
Geoff lip syncs? Source??
I've personally seen it at every show I've seen since the Promised Land tour, but it's fairly well-known as well. Again, I've never seen conclusive proof that he lipsyncs entire songs, but he definitely does on parts of songs that are too difficult for him or where he wants to catch a quick rest. I think it started with him electing to pipe in heavily-effects-laden parts in songs like Screaming In Digital and the end of I Am I, and rather than just let that part play, he would mouth along with it as if he were singing. Then they began piping in background vocals, as a lot of bands do, and he feel into the habit of sometimes dropping out and lipsyncing to the harmonies when he needed a rest, which is pretty common. You can see it on live clips if you YouTube enough. Or just Google it, and you'll see other fan reactions as well, such as this one from an old Blabbermouth article:
I gave up on them many years ago after going to the tour they did with Maiden and Halford and seeing Geoff Tate f-in lip syncing to Take Hold of the Flame. He couldn't hang with Rob and Bruce. For me, Queensryche has been dead ever since.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=104610
Or check out the second and third choruses of Empire here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHhK80GnwI
The video is a bit deceiving because the audio is a fraction of a second behind the video as it is, but you can definitely tell he is faking the choruses, especially when he tries to come in at the end of the second chorus and you hear his real voice suddenly much louder than the backing track. Again, I've seen him do it as well, and it is particularly noticable on that song because sometimes, his timing is completely off from the audio.
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Geoff's All Stars in all their glory.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188636
I think we can see why Drover bailed.
I thought Sarzo was a better guitar player than that. Pitiful.
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You wanted the best you got the vest! Expect nothing but the vest from Geoff. At least Geoff has money to in-vest in his retirement. I wish him nothing but a vest!
:lol
That "Starring Geoff Tate" crap pisses me off. What an egomaniac.
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Is there any way a singer can get their voice back? Or is it a thing that once its blown, its gone for good. Because one would think if it is possible to work and train your way back to old form, Geoff would have done that, especially considering the circumstances. I mean, I am sure he sings well enough if the song is within his diminished range...but he sounds horrible trying to sing his old stuff. It makes me cringe, and feel kind of embarrassed for him and the other guys in the band. Well I don't feel THAT bad as he is kind of a douche, but you get my point.
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Well... look at JLB for instance. He kind of got his voice back after the injury and he's still good live. Imagine if he hadn't suffered the injury what he would sound like now? Scary. But from what I know/have read, Geoff has damaged his voice in his own way during the years (similar to Ray Alder) with smoking, not training, drinking, etc.
In other words, I don't think GT can get back in shape even if he wanted/cared/tried. But I'm no singer, nor a musician so it's just an opinion.
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Could Geoff get his entire range back? Doubtful. But could he get back to being a passable singer? Probably.
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I'd imagine being a singer is like being an athlete. You have to take care of yourself, and stay in shape. If you get injured, maybe you never recover completely, but through workout and practice you learn to find your new 100 percent (maybe your old self's 80 percent), and you continue to do things to stay on top of your game. The better you take care of yourself, the more likely it is you'll continue to perform well, even as you advance in age.
Geoff strikes me as someone who doesn't care.
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I say that we should start a new meme. Instead of saying "stay classy" when someone acts like a douche, we should change it to "stay vesty".
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It makes me sad to see this once great band in this state. I became a huge fan when RFO came out. I just watched YouTube videos of the Mindcrime tour, and it makes me sad.
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Has someone taken your faith?
Its real, the pain you feel
The life, the love you'd die to heal
The hope that starts the broken hearts
You trust, you must
Confess
Is someone getting the vest, the vest, the vest, the vest of you?
Is someone getting the vest, the vest, the vest, the vest of you?
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Is someone getting the vest, the vest, the vest, the vest of you?
Is someone getting the vest, the vest, the vest, the vest of you?
THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST THE VEST
OF YOU.
That song is terrible.
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Some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food,
The only thing I'm hunting for,
Is an outfit that looks good...
See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest . . .
I really like the vest.
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It makes me sad to see this once great band in this state. I became a huge fan when RFO came out. I just watched YouTube videos of the Mindcrime tour, and it makes me sad.
but this isn't the actual band. It really saddens me that Tateryche gets a lot more traffic than the actual bands topic
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When you get up on the stage, and the light it hurts your head
The first thing you do when you have a big bald head
Is hit that streets a-runnin', and try to beat the masses
And go get a vest and some cheap sunglasses
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
I got a whole new band, gonna rock it out all night
In a funky pleather vest and some pants that are way too tight
My voice sounds really shitty, like I’m gargling molasses
Good thing I have the vest and the cheap sunglasses
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
(solo)
Now go out and get yourself a big black vest
With the pleather so dark and tight around the chest
And the choice is up to you cause Ryche comes in two classes:
Real Deal boys or vest and sunglasses
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
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(https://gunshyassassin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/geoff.jpg)
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^^^^ He should really grow his hair back, because lately he's been looking a lot like Uncle Vester.
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Geoff's All Stars in all their glory.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188636
I think we can see why Drover bailed.
I thought Sarzo was a better guitar player than that. Pitiful.
Geoff sounds pitiful here. Rudy's bass sounds out of tune too.
How did he get those people there?
And yes, Glen is way too good for this.
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Jesus, that rendition of Jet City Woman is one of the worst things I've ever heard.
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I'M GONNA BE THE VEST I CAN
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It makes me sad to see this once great band in this state. I became a huge fan when RFO came out. I just watched YouTube videos of the Mindcrime tour, and it makes me sad.
but this isn't the actual band. It really saddens me that Tateryche gets a lot more traffic than the actual bands topic
Everyone likes to watch a train wreck. It's internet rubber-necking at it's finest.
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On that showing there's no way this band can play Suite Sister Mary. That will be a train wreck. Or all on tape.
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He probably changed the vocal melodies.
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What a way to destroy the last vestige of a once great singer. :neverusethis:
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I'M GONNA BE THE VEST I CAN
The vest on my chair,
And the vest that's in my dreeaaam!
I'm going to sew the two vests into OOONNNNNEEEE!!! :metal
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Not to kick somebody when they're down, but...if people had any inkling that Tatewreck might do a decent job with Mindcrime, you REALLY need to see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLo_cBfJCo
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On a related note, I really hate searching for Queensryche live vids and finding the Tateryche versions.
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Not to kick somebody when they're down, but...if people had any inkling that Tatewreck might do a decent job with Mindcrime, you REALLY need to see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLo_cBfJCo
It wasn't that bad until the heavy part, but I had to turn it off after "Sister Mary" got a working microphone.
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Yeah, for the first couple of minutes, it's not too bad. But once she comes in and Tate's part actually has something resembling high notes, it all goes WAY down hill.
Operation: WTF - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4XQ_A2XAVg
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The guy who did the backing vocals was singing much better than Tate.
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Not to kick somebody when they're down, but...if people had any inkling that Tatewreck might do a decent job with Mindcrime, you REALLY need to see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLo_cBfJCo
Oh god, that chorus :lol :lol
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These videos.....ow.....ow......
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Yeah, it's actually quite embarrassing how bad these vids are.
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I wasn't even there and I want my money back.
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It's really not a very nice comment, but I laughed out loud at this one on the O:M title track clip:
"It's like watching the special olympics."
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Are they playing "easier" versions of the chords in the intro to SSM? Doesn't sound quite right to me.
And how bad is Mary? Sounds more authentic as a smack-head whore nun I suppose. Did Tate even audition her? or is it Susan?
Abysmal.
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Oh god, that just hurts to listen to. Stop, Geoff. You're embarrassing yourself now.
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Oh my god, those vid's are horrible. Why doesn't he just stop all of this. What a disgrace to a once great band, can you imagine what Chris DeGarmo thinks if he seen this shit. But the thing I really don't get is , that place looks packed with people. I can't believe people would actually show up to see this, I guess Geoff still has his group of blind sheep following whatever he puts out.
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But the thing I really don't get is , that place looks packed with people. I can't believe people would actually show up to see this, I guess Geoff still has his group of blind sheep following whatever he puts out.
Its probably a combination of casual fans who don't know about the split and people with comp tickets, along with a few Tate fanboys.
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There's also the fact that you can't see BEHIND the camera. Any place looks packed only looking from the back row.
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How can he swagger around on stage like he's some kind badass when he sounds like shit? DOESN'T THE MAN HEAR HIS OWN VOICE?!
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Honestly I didn't think that live footage was THAT bad. Sure Geoff sounds like ass compared to what he used to, but they make a decent cover band that can only land hole in the wall gigs. Whoever that woman is who's playing Sister Mary is bloody terrible though. Worse than Tate.
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You've probably seen this but I can't believe Taint's attitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88du2GnAus
I'm not much of a Queensryche fan but I have their hits and Mindcrime and I know the players and the drama. Truly pathetic.
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Yeah, that vid is classic.
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How can he swagger around on stage like he's some kind badass when he sounds like shit? DOESN'T THE MAN HEAR HIS OWN VOICE?!
The combination of delusion and arrogance can often be ugly. This is a good example of that.
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Well, Cleopatra is streaming the entire Tatewreck album. Here's my review, formed as I was listening:
Initial thoughts on some of the tracks:
Cold: Not bad. If the entire album were of this quality, it would be decent despite the strained, off-key vocals dragging it down. The cool riff brings it up a bit.
Dare: I am immediately struck by some of the typically boneheaded Tate lyrics that we have come to expect recently. Then it goes off on a goofy tangent, and...not sure what this song is trying to be, but it fails. Do not like.
Give It To You: An early ballad. Not good. ...except for the guitar solo, which actually is quite good, even when it becomes a background lead when the vocals kick in. This makes me actually interested in eventually finding out which of the guests did which solos. Along these lines, let me revise my earlier statement about not listening to the album again after this. If the other guitar solos are of this quality and there end up being a few tolerable songs, I may be more active about finding another used copy at some point in time for the sake of the solos.
Slave: The music isn't bad. Not bad guitar work at all, although still not up to what I would expect as the standard on a Queensryche record (which, of course, this is not). Kind of in the vein of Hit The Black.
In The Hands Of God: Sounds like a song with plenty of potential as a dark, angsty song, but still manages to fall flat mainly because of poor vocal delivery and bad lyrical choices. Thanks, Geoff. Time and time again, as we have seen throughout the past decade or so, Geoff delivers glimmers of excellence that meander off the track and end up being ruined by poor creative decisions and phoned-in vocal performances. Sounds like Tate said to Slater, "let's take Prince's Computer Blue, mix it with All The Promises, and try to make it sound like a mid-tempo heavy song off of Mindcrime 2." That combo just doesn't work in my mind.
Running Backwards: Like a lot of others, there is actually some pretty good guitar work. This is the first song where I have actually even noticed the rhythm section. Some decent creative work here, actually. Once again, the vocals are the weakest link and, like many of the songs on American Soldier, ruin a song that otherwise showed promise and might have been pretty good. And another good solo.
Life Without You: Sounds like Q2k/DTC. Meh. Bad vocals. Melodies that seem out of place. This is about what I would expect of a Tate solo track. No place for the Queensryche name on this. Solo sounds like it could be Meniketti.
Everything: Piano intro tempts me to hit skip right off the bat, but then we actually get an interesting guitar riff. Then the vocals come in and kill it. Geoff, do you honestly not realize how bad your singing has become? Does no one have the backbone to stand up and tell you you don't sound good? Do you even care? /rhetoricalquestions This song kind of epitomizes what is wrong with camp Tate. As with a lot of what I've heard so far, and as with most of what has been put out on the last few albums, there actually is a lot of promise here. But the ideas are not fleshed out enough for me and the VOCALS JUST KILL IT (both bad singing and bad vocal melodies). The guitar and keyboard work in the song actually sounds pretty good to my ears, although, again, it doesn't sound like what I think Queensryche should be. But if the vocals weren't so bad, this is something I would listen to.
Fallen: Granted, I haven't listened all that closely and am not on a really good system or in a place where I can turn it up and really dig into the music. But that being said, this is the first song where I have actually realized that there are two separate guitar parts in the song. Vocals aren't quite as bad. Yet another one that isn't as bad as I thought the standard fare on the album would be, but is predictably killed by bad singing. However, I DO actually like the vocal melodies and feel they are appropriate for the music. Yet another good guitar solo, but one that, unfortunately, the music doesn't give enough time to develop given the way the song is written. Actually, as the song goes on, I take that back. Interesting song structure here. Most of the solo space is actually given to letting the solo develop further as an outro solo. This...actually works. This actually sounds a lot more like Meniketti's style than the one in Life Without You.
The Weight of the World: This could have been good. Anyone want to guess why I think it isn't? When the vocal harmonies and then later, the drums, kick in, it starts to go downhill. Some cool ideas that ultimately do not work well together. This song to me highlights the problem with rushing the album. Geoff's vocals aside, this song would have benefitted from more time to flesh out the ideas and make them work together. Guitar solo mirrors my feelings of the song in general: Some really cool moments, but feels very disjointed and all over the place to the point where I become too distracted by all the "noise" to enjoy the moments that actually do work. And the guitar tone...yuck!
The re-records...why bother? I Don't Believe In Love is especially painful, but these are all just bad. A Queensryche tribute album by B-list bands would have sounded better.
Overall, I am a bit surprised. This isn't as bad as I thought it would be, and there are more moments that I like than I would have thought. But the ideas aren't fleshed out well at times, the vocal melodies are frequently half-baked, and the vocal delivery is just outright painful and bad most of the time. But most of all, this sounds like a Geoff Tate solo effort and not like something that should have the Queensryche name attached.
Link, for those interested: https://soundcloud.com/cleopatra-recs/sets/queensryche-frequency-unknown
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Contemplating whether or not I want to listen to this or not... managed to go this long without listening to K&T.
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The album's streaming? Awesome. Now I can satisfy my morbid curiosity without paying that dickbag a cent and helping the more legitimate version of the band outsell the shit out of him.
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings on the issue as well. :lol
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You may not be paying money for it, but you are paying for it! I mean, why would anyone want to put their ears through that kind of suffering??
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I just came in to say this: Geoff Tate has the most puncheable face in the prog-rock world.
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Don't have enough patience to listen to the new material, but these covers, man. This version of I Don't Believe in Love is just making me sad.
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You may not be paying money for it, but you are paying for it! I mean, why would anyone want to put their ears through that kind of suffering??
:lol
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I dislike him as a human being. Nothing can change that. But it's better than I expected and actually a few songs are pretty
good. I wish it had just sucked.
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Listening now. Couple of decent songs in amongst a load of crap. MOstly better than DTC but how could it not be. In The Hands Of God is going for a RFO vibe but Tate hasn't got the chops. Sounds rushed though, but if he'd had all year he'd have pushed out something rushed and half-assed because he just doesn't care enough. If he did he would put some work in on his vocals.
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Man, the first song is about as good as anything I expect on either QR album, but everything that's followed (so far- I'm not done) is pretty terrible.
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Think you summed it up pretty accurately there Bosk1. Not much to add. Expected to hate it but there is a decent album there struggling to rise from the demo-like sound. it could have been pretty good, as it is it's not as bad as I thought it would be but it's sonically awful. When the backing vocals kicked in on Weight of The World I jumped out of my skin they were so jarring. It's a very good song not done any justice whatsoever. Maybe the real QR should cover it and do it properly... :biggrin:
He should be shot for those re-records though. The real QR should use them in the court case as proof he is not QR.
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You've probably seen this but I can't believe Taint's attitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88du2GnAus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88du2GnAus)
I'm not much of a Queensryche fan but I have their hits and Mindcrime and I know the players and the drama. Truly pathetic.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but one of my FB friends posted it today, it's a fan video of Tate's QR hacking their way through "The Mission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc)
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
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Whenever I watch Kelly Gray he reminds me of a quote from one of my favourite tv programmes.
"Not my fault. Monkey bastard hands!"
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Here's the post I made on the Breakdown Room while listening to the record:
Stylistically, FU sounds very much in the vein of O:MII, and while that means it doesn't sound a damn thing like Queensryche, it also means it's not all together bad. Unfortunately, the album as a whole is not particularly good, either. There is some genuine, quality music and ideas on Frequency Unknown, but all too often, those ideas are underdeveloped and sound incomplete. There are some very odd musical transitions and combinations in certain songs, like the soft interlude in Dare that comes right before the solo, where parts of the tracks sound completely unrelated. It's as if some of these songs were Frankenstein creations, pieced together from existing songs, but with no regard given to whether or not they actually fit together. The result is very jarring and it makes the whole album sound disjointed and bizarre. I don't really hear a lot of bad music per say, but I do hear some very questionable and arbitrary creative decisions. Musically, this sounds better then DTC and K&T (not saying much, I know, but it's something, at least), but there virtually no flow or cohesion within many of the tracks, to say nothing of the album as a whole. On the plus side, I do hear a lot of music in Frequency Unknown that I honestly can say I like. There are a lot of really cool riffs and solo, and I enjoy many of the record's more atmospheric moments, but very few of these songs actually sound like complete, finished compositions, and more like early demos. Overall, a lot of cool stuff going on in FU, but not really put together all that well.
Good Gods, Tate sounds absolutely abominable on this thing. There are some songs, like the a fore mentioned Cold, where he sounds almost decent in the verses, singing in a very limited low register range, but anytime he goes for those bigger high notes, his voice becomes strained. His lack of dynamics kills off any tension or emotion his vocal melodies could possibly convey. Each and every chorus on this album just sounds flat and weak, and it is all completely Geoff's fault (as a side note, I was listening to Everything while typing this paragraph, and that song is a perfect example of this issue. Up until it reaches the chorus, the track has a lot of promise, but Geoff's lackluster performance on the chorus just kills it.) Beyond that, his vocals just sit on top of the music in many of the tracks. At no point did I ever feel like Geoff was actually singing with the band. Rather, it feels like he is just singing over some pre-recorded instrumental tracks. In fact, his vocals in certain areas just sound so disconnected and unrelated to the music, there are certain times where I find myself wondering if he even listened to any of the music to which he was singing along. I'm not even going to go into any detail about the re-records. Suffice to say, they suck, badly, and only serve to prove how far Geoff has fallen as a vocalist.
So, in conclusion, Frequency Unknown is, despite many redeeming elements, as a whole, not a good record. It had a lot of potential, but all too often that potential is wasted on arbitrary and inconsistent song structures, and then subsequently killed by Geoff's horrendous voice. For the structural issues, I would probably blame the fact that this album was undoubtedly rushed out so that Geoff would be the first to have a "Queensryche" record out in 2013. As I mentioned above, many of the tracks sound like rough demos, and could have benefited from second and third looks. The music itself is solid, but it is put together so poorly that each track sounds like a medley of multiple songs rather than a singular piece. As for Geoff, I have to ask this question: Geoff, if this is the best you can do, if this is the shape of your voice these days, and this is as much effort you a willing to put into making a record, then honestly, what is the point of even remaining in the music business? Your vocals sound lazy and uninspired and make it very obvious that you clearly just don't give a shit anymore about making music. So why even bother with this embarrassing and, what I'm sure must be very financially draining struggle over the Queensryche name? Is your ego really so bloated that you cannot see what has become of yourself? All I can say is that if you really feel that you, and only you, are Queensryche, and that you, and only you, deserve ownership of the name, then fucking sound like it!!!!. But don't give us this crap with adolescent lyrics, half-assed vocal melodies, and your strained, cracking, decimated voice. If you actually took care of yourself and your instrument, and actually put some real effort into your music, then I could maybe at least respect your stance on the QR name issue, even if I disagree. If FU is truly reflective of how much effort you are willing to put into making a Queensryche record, then I can honestly say, as a fan, you are unworthy of the QR name, and the legacy it carries.
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but one of my FB friends posted it today, it's a fan video of Tate's QR hacking their way through "The Mission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc)
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
Oh man, that is atrocious, and I'm not just talking about GT's voice. The rest of the band is way sloppy and off time.
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but one of my FB friends posted it today, it's a fan video of Tate's QR hacking their way through "The Mission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc)
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
Good job, Geoff.
Because if you shy away from the big notes, flatten all the melodies to fit your narrowed range and make every note staccato to accommodate your diminished lung capacity, nobody will notice how much you suck.
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Sounds like I might dig some of these songs thanks to the solos, but with the guests, that's to be expected.
Might have a listen after work.
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Sounds like I might dig some of these songs thanks to the solos, but with the guests, that's to be expected.
Might have a listen after work.
Solos didn't really stand out to me on first listen tbh.
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Whenever I watch Kelly Gray he reminds me of a quote from one of my favourite tv programmes.
"Not my fault. Monkey bastard hands!"
:lol :lol :lol
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You've probably seen this but I can't believe Taint's attitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88du2GnAus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d88du2GnAus)
I'm not much of a Queensryche fan but I have their hits and Mindcrime and I know the players and the drama. Truly pathetic.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but one of my FB friends posted it today, it's a fan video of Tate's QR hacking their way through "The Mission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc)
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
OK, that was fucking awful.
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Sounds like I might dig some of these songs thanks to the solos, but with the guests, that's to be expected.
Might have a listen after work.
Solos didn't really stand out to me on first listen tbh.
Oh. :lol
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After 30+ years of music making, most bands are content to simply trudge along, putting out the same old type of album again and again, trying to recapture the glory of days past. Not this band, not Queensrÿche. With every new release, Geoff Tate and company push themselves into new directions, new sounds, and dizzying new heights. The result is that Queensrÿche is just as vital and musically relevant today as they ever were. Even when they revisit older ideas, as they did in 2006 with the long awaited sequel to Operation: Mindcrime, the result was one of the most thrilling releases of their extraordinary career. Now, a new chapter is about to be written, a new album, and a new line-up that unites frontman Tate with a stellar group of new players and seasoned vets. Arguably the heaviest version of Queensrÿche ever assembled, the band not only wrote and recorded the 10 brand new songs on Frequency Unknown, but also will be hitting the road to perform the entire Operation: Mindcrime album at select venues across the nation in celebration of that album’s 25th anniversary. Make no mistake about it, Queensrÿche is still a musical force to be reckoned with and their legions of fans will undoubtedly be celebrating in 2013!
lol
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After 30+ years of music making, most bands are content to simply trudge along, putting out the same old type of album again and again, trying to recapture the glory of days past. Not this band, not Queensrÿche. With every new release, Geoff Tate and company push themselves into new directions, new sounds, and dizzying new heights. The result is that Queensrÿche is just as vital and musically relevant today as they ever were. Even when they revisit older ideas, as they did in 2006 with the long awaited sequel to Operation: Mindcrime, the result was one of the most thrilling releases of their extraordinary career. Now, a new chapter is about to be written, a new album, and a new line-up that unites frontman Tate with a stellar group of new players and seasoned vets. Arguably the heaviest version of Queensrÿche ever assembled, the band not only wrote and recorded the 10 brand new songs on Frequency Unknown, but also will be hitting the road to perform the entire Operation: Mindcrime album at select venues across the nation in celebration of that album’s 25th anniversary. Make no mistake about it, Queensrÿche is still a musical force to be reckoned with and their legions of fans will undoubtedly be celebrating in 2013!
lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
OMG, I cannot stop laughing. Where is this from? *NO WAY* this is an outsider review. Did Susan write this?
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It's from the Soundcloud site where the full album can be streamed.
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After 30+ years of music making, most bands are content to simply trudge along, putting out the same old type of album again and again, trying to recapture the glory of days past. Not this band, not Queensrÿche. With every new release, Geoff Tate and company push themselves into new directions, new sounds, and dizzying new heights. The result is that Queensrÿche is just as vital and musically relevant today as they ever were. Even when they revisit older ideas, as they did in 2006 with the long awaited sequel to Operation: Mindcrime, the result was one of the most thrilling releases of their extraordinary career. Now, a new chapter is about to be written, a new album, and a new line-up that unites frontman Tate with a stellar group of new players and seasoned vets. Arguably the heaviest version of Queensrÿche ever assembled, the band not only wrote and recorded the 10 brand new songs on Frequency Unknown, but also will be hitting the road to perform the entire Operation: Mindcrime album at select venues across the nation in celebration of that album’s 25th anniversary. Make no mistake about it, Queensrÿche is still a musical force to be reckoned with and their legions of fans will undoubtedly be celebrating in 2013!
lol
is this from a fan, or is this an official press release?
It's from the Soundcloud site where the full album can be streamed.
So a punter posted this?
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I don't know what a punter is, but it's in the description. I think it might be by Cleopatra Records as the copyright info is at the bottom of the description.
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A punter means fan, like you an me.
But yeah, it's gotta be from the record company. :lol
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You aussies and your crazy dingo lingo.
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I think it's a British thing actually. :lol
EDIT: British/American
From wiki;
A British, Australian and Hiberno (Irish) English colloquial term for a paying guest or customer, especially
*a patron of a public house
*a patron of a brothel
*a customer of a prostitute
*more recently, a paying atendee of a festival or other event
lol
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After 30+ years of music making, most bands are content to simply trudge along, putting out the same old type of album again and again, trying to recapture the glory of days past. Not this band, not Queensrÿche. With every new release, Geoff Tate and company push themselves into new directions, new sounds, and dizzying new heights. The result is that Queensrÿche is just as vital and musically relevant today as they ever were. Even when they revisit older ideas, as they did in 2006 with the long awaited sequel to Operation: Mindcrime, the result was one of the most thrilling releases of their extraordinary career. Now, a new chapter is about to be written, a new album, and a new line-up that unites frontman Tate with a stellar group of new players and seasoned vets. Arguably the heaviest version of Queensrÿche ever assembled, the band not only wrote and recorded the 10 brand new songs on Frequency Unknown, but also will be hitting the road to perform the entire Operation: Mindcrime album at select venues across the nation in celebration of that album’s 25th anniversary. Make no mistake about it, Queensrÿche is still a musical force to be reckoned with and their legions of fans will undoubtedly be celebrating in 2013!
lol
If by highlight you mean "biggest disappointment", then yes.
By bodyweight alone, definately.
Not the best song on the album, as already discussed (Cold). Not seen any other credits.
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"After 30+ years of music making, most bands are content to simply trudge along, putting out the same old type of album again and again, trying to recapture the glory of days past. Not this band, not Queensrÿche."
:yeahright
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It really just isn't very good.
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Well, the label apparently thought better of their decision, and decided to pull the stream. It is no longer up. :lol
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Maybe they were afraid QR would upload there's and they might... cross.
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Maybe they were afraid QR would upload there's and they might... cross.
:neverusethis:
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Well, the label apparently thought better of their decision, and decided to pull the stream. It is no longer up. :lol
I read that but I can still stream it at the same address.
edit- whoops, no just the single.
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but one of my FB friends posted it today, it's a fan video of Tate's QR hacking their way through "The Mission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4eyIIoUfaxc)
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
Good job, Geoff.
Because if you shy away from the big notes, flatten all the melodies to fit your narrowed range and make every note staccato to accommodate your diminished lung capacity, nobody will notice how much you suck.
The thing is, he's been doing this for about a decade already. When I went to see Fates Warning, Queensryche and Dream Theater in Boston quite a few years ago I was actually astonished at how terrible he sounded. And when you combine his terrible vocals with his swaggering, arrogant attitude on stage, it just makes you want to.... (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
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Good job, Geoff.
Because if you shy away from the big notes, flatten all the melodies to fit your narrowed range and make every note staccato to accommodate your diminished lung capacity, nobody will notice how much you suck.
The thing is, he's been doing this for about a decade already. When I went to see Fates Warning, Queensryche and Dream Theater in Boston quite a few years ago I was actually astonished at how terrible he sounded. And when you combine his terrible vocals with his swaggering, arrogant attitude on stage, it just makes you want to.... (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/puke.gif)
I saw Queensryche about two years ago and he did a little bit of that stuff. Maybe I just saw him on a good night, but his performance was not as horrendously awful as that video. Not even close.
Of course, the swaggering, arrogant attitude on stage was all there, so maybe...
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Tate passionately licking his microphone...
(https://i.imgur.com/r4TaStc.gif)
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I had seen the clip. Amazing that somebody Gif'd it. :clap:
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I had seen the clip. Amazing that somebody Gif'd it. :clap:
Here's the full video, if anyone wants to suffer through it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3ZClAvqoo2s
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That's some funny shit. So delusional.
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Is it just me, or does the guy that's playing keyboards look like he showed up at the wrong gig? He belongs in a Village People tribute band...
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Is it just me, or does the guy that's playing keyboards look like he showed up at the wrong gig? He belongs in a Village People tribute band...
Yeah, it seems Randy is not quite all there.
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So, Geoff Tate and Nina Noir have both been mouthing off about how TateWreck played a "sold out" show, while conveniently overlooking the fact that "selling out" isn't as tough when you're playing a 450-seat casino that gives out complimentary tickets to its patrons. I think this is a perfect response:
(https://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/cerebraleulogy/soldout_zpsf410747e.jpg) (https://s498.photobucket.com/user/cerebraleulogy/media/soldout_zpsf410747e.jpg.html)
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So, Geoff Tate and Nina Noir have both been mouthing off about how TateWreck played a "sold out" show, while conveniently overlooking the fact that "selling out" isn't as tough when you're playing a 450-seat casino that gives out complimentary tickets to its patrons. I think this is a perfect response:
(https://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr350/cerebraleulogy/soldout_zpsf410747e.jpg) (https://s498.photobucket.com/user/cerebraleulogy/media/soldout_zpsf410747e.jpg.html)
I've playing in front of more people at once than that and nobody gives a fuck who I am. By their standards I should be a rock star lol...
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I just looked on Tateryche's Facebook page...I can't believe some people are saying that they kicked ass and were awesome. I wonder how much Tate is paying these people. :lol
Oh, and I found Kelly Gray on Facebook. Somebody has to caption these!!
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/17302_620637967949756_260430806_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/149207_621523724527847_606544133_n.jpg)
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We need to make sure that microphone never gets resold to some poor unfortunate soul. :lol
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I'd try and strangle the bitch too for the way she's singing SSM.
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The Tatesyrche FB is so much more popular than the Queensryche one. Hm...
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The Tatesyrche FB is so much more popular than the Queensryche one. Hm...
Yeah, but how many of those are from pre-split and how many are just rubbernecking? :)
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The Tatesyrche FB is so much more popular than the Queensryche one. Hm...
Yeah, but how many of those are from pre-split and how many are just rubbernecking? :)
I dunno. There's hundreds of people "like"ing every post.
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I'd try and strangle the bitch too for the way she's singing SSM.
:lol Except that that's not Nina. That's Miranda Tate.
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I'd try and strangle the bitch too for the way she's singing SSM.
:lol Except that that's not Nina. That's Miranda Tate.
Oh, even more reason to strangle her then.
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Is Miranda Geoff's daughter who was stripping on stage?
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What stripping?
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The cabaret crap.
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Well, she's considerably more attractive than I was expecting.
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Bravewords are reporting Brian Tichy is "covering" for Simon Wright in Tatewreck. I'd say that's a trade up.
https://www.bravewords.com/news/202591
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Bravewords are reporting Brian Tichy is "covering" for Simon Wright in Tatewreck. I'd say that's a trade up.
https://www.bravewords.com/news/202591
That's the third drummer in as many months....
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Bravewords are reporting Brian Tichy is "covering" for Simon Wright in Tatewreck. I'd say that's a trade up.
https://www.bravewords.com/news/202591
That's the third drummer in as many months....
Did someone say Spinal Tap? :biggrin:
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The difference between "Spinal Tap" and "Geoff Tate's Queensryche" is that Spinal Tap is a real band.
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As long as Simon Wright didn't choke on somebody else's vomit, that's the main thing
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The difference between "Spinal Tap" and "Geoff Tate's Queensryche" is that Spinal Tap is a real band.
:clap:
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The difference between "Spinal Tap" and "Geoff Tate's Queensryche" is that Spinal Tap is a real band.
:clap:
I second this :clap:
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The difference between "Spinal Tap" and "Geoff Tate's Queensryche" is that Spinal Tap is a real band.
:clap:
I second this :clap:
(https://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk209/Kabong30/nod-of-approval.gif)
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Also I just realized she is reading 50 Shades of GRAY. Just a funny thought, coincidence, if you wish :biggrin:
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Also I just realized she is reading 50 Shades of GRAY. Just a funny thought, coincidence, if you wish :biggrin:
:lol
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Probably thinks it's his biography.
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Probably thinks it's his biography.
That's how they roll in the Tate household.
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Reviews thus far have not been kind: https://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Unknown-Queensryche/dp/B00BKBCGDW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
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Now I'm worried Brian Tichy will be the next victim of spontaneous combustion while drumming, and he'll be replaced by Joe "Mama" Besser. :lol
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Disclaimer: I've heard the last 3 Queensryche albums and now this one probably one time each.
F.U. is bad, but they all are. It's worse than American Soldier. It's better than Dedicated to Chaos. It's on slightly worse than O:MII, though without the expectation that it'll be as good as O:M. Still, I can't see how it's bad enough to convince people who supported the band over the last 15 years, especially with DtC, to finally stage their exodus.
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A friend emailed me this review this morning, for good laughs:
https://gunshyassassin.com/reviews/tateryche-frequency-unknown-an-in-depth-review/
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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A friend emailed me this review this morning, for good laughs:
https://gunshyassassin.com/reviews/tateryche-frequency-unknown-an-in-depth-review/
:lol :lol :lol :lol
My favorite part:
Rather than using a numerical rating system, I’ll just list things that are better than this album:
Accidentally sitting on your balls, Sarah Silverman’s jokes, the New York Jets, sitting on a toilet seat covered in pee, jacking off to the winter clothing section of a JC Penney catalog, baseball double-headers, William Hung, pink eye, Blaze Bailey singing “The Trooper,” broccoli (fucking disgusting), dipping buffalo wings in ranch dressing, using a dental dam, Internet Explorer, waking up and finding your dog is dead, Ted Nugent’s political views, Sharon Osbourne naked, smelling Zakk Wylde’s beard, John Cena, owning every season of “Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica,” and whiskey dick.
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Wow. Billboard (deservedly) blasted the album pretty hard.
QUEENSRŸCHE
"Frequency Unknown"
Producer: Jason Slater
Deadline Music/Cleopatra Records
Release Date: April 23
Since Queensrÿche fired Geoff Tate last June and the band’s internal conflicts came to light, the singer has publicly declared himself the mastermind behind the group’s output since guitarist Chris DeGarmo left in 1997. Tate has forged on -- amid a pending lawsuit -- by assembling a second Queensrÿche and inviting such guests as guitarists Brad Gillis and K.K. Downing to contribute to a new album. His day of musical reckoning has arrived with "Frequency Unknown," a title no-so-coincidentally abbreviated as F.U.
Tate punctuates the semi-hard rock record's theme by lyrically throwing the bird ("Slave," "Dare") and justifying his stance with the gripping "In the Hands of God.” Material like the latter track, the ruminating “Fallen” and nearly epic "Weight of the World" deserve praise for their melodies and journey-like pace, but nothing on "Frequency Unknown" sounds like the finely crafted rock he designed with his former bandmates. Whatever duress those post-DeGarmo albums were created under, they still (2011’s "Dedicated to Chaos" notwithstanding) sounded like Queensrÿche, thanks to intriguing atmospherics, compelling dual-guitar interplay, sophisticated tone and arresting hooks. None of those elements are heard on this "Frequency."
An 11th-hour remix provoked by fan complaints of the album’s prerelease samples show its audio quality has improved. But nothing could have saved the hits Tate re-recorded from Queensrÿche’s commercial peak: “Empire,” “Silent Lucidity,” “Jet City Woman” and “I Don’t Believe in Love.” Here, those engineering masterpieces are sonic embarrassments, and Tate hurts his own singing legacy by submitting vocal tracks full of cracked notes and congestion. Despite his resolve to flip off the haters, the only person he screws with "F.U." is himself.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/review/1559148/queensryche-frequency-unknown-album-review
I do have to say that the track Dave Meniketti plays on is actually not bad, and Dave rips it up on the solo.
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A clip from last night's performance in Sacramento. Infinite loop settings to highlight a very painful moment. And no, this is NOT fake.
https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=lDuScMz_Yeo&p=n#/216;221
"Oh, Geoff sounds just as great on vocals now as he did 20 years ago." Yeah, right.
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A clip from last night's performance in Sacramento. Infinite loop settings to highlight a very painful moment. And no, this is NOT fake.
https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=lDuScMz_Yeo&p=n#/216;221
"Oh, Geoff sounds just as great on vocals now as he did 20 years ago." Yeah, right.
"Someone... Please stop it" indeed.
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A clip from last night's performance in Sacramento. Infinite loop settings to highlight a very painful moment. And no, this is NOT fake.
https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=lDuScMz_Yeo&p=n#/216;221
"Oh, Geoff sounds just as great on vocals now as he did 20 years ago." Yeah, right.
The video has been removed. Hopefully it pops up elsewhere.
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https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=1hso5qKBQKc&p=n#/76;83
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LOL
If I'm hearing that right, Tate sounds like a dying animal straining through the song. But, then he holds the note for too long, and accidently crashes into a previously recorded version of him singing a high note.
That's just amazing.
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https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=1hso5qKBQKc&p=n#/76;83
I had to listen to it a few times before I could even tell what part of the song that was supposed to be. It doesn't even sound human, honestly. :lol
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What in the plaid green fuck is that? :rollin
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I love seeing Geoff crash and burn :rollin
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It's really quite sad to me that one of the best rock/metal voices of all time, and probably the best at the time in the late eighties has become what he has. It's not only his vocals but his attitude and just how delusional he really is. It's quite depressing.
And to think that the dick in all these videos almost did a project with Rob Halford and Bruce Dickinson. That alone shows how much he has fallen, but with no ones fault but his own.
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I agree with Wolf. It's sad that its come down to this for Tate. He's an ass and he deserved a lot of what has happened to him, but enough is enough. At this point I feel bad for him and actually wish he would go away just so that people will leave him alone. I wanted to give this last disc a chance but its just not good at all.
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https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=1hso5qKBQKc&p=n#/76;83
(https://i.imgur.com/jIrSY.gif)
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https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=1hso5qKBQKc&p=n#/76;83
(https://img.mu.cdn.li/Ao/xqefEH.jpg)
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What in the plaid green fuck is that? :rollin
With your permission, I plan on using this phrase at the next appropriate ( or inappropriate) opportunity that presents itself to me.
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I agree with Wolf. It's sad that its come down to this for Tate. He's an ass and he deserved a lot of what has happened to him, but enough is enough. At this point I feel bad for him and actually wish he would go away just so that people will leave him alone. I wanted to give this last disc a chance but its just not good at all.
I still gotta listen to the new album, so I have a little hope but after I hear it, we'll see.
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https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=1hso5qKBQKc&p=n#/76;83
My god, that can't be real, can it?
Oh fuck, it IS. What the hell happened there?
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I almost went to this show... :rollin
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That video made me sad. I can't believe that's the same person whose voice once made Operation: Mindcrime so wonderful. It's such a shame he's not taking care of his voice.
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I almost went to this show... :rollin
We told ya, eh :D
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What in the plaid green fuck is that? :rollin
With your permission, I plan on using this phrase at the next appropriate ( or inappropriate) opportunity that presents itself to me.
Go for it :corn
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Question for Bosk: since the corporate bylaws seem to make it pretty clear that a majority of the shareholders can oust a fourth, why is this even a discussion? I gather Tate's calling for the dissolution of the corporation, but why is that even an option? Seems like the third might well be acting as dicks, but it also seems like it's a right that Tate signed off on back in '89.
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It's a bit more complicated than that. But as relevant to the question you posed, he isn't seeking dissolution of the corporation. He is claiming they couldn't oust him. And part of the problem is that, strictly going by the bylaws, the band has a problem because they never bothered to amend the bylaws after Chris left, and as I recall, the old bylaws say that you need 4/5 to agree to oust somebody. There are several layers of issues, but the other big issue is that he probably wants a lot more out of the payout to get rid of him (including use of the name) than they are willing to give him.
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OK, everyone, it just got weirder (didn't think it could, did you?)--https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/ (https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/)
A whole three days after releasing FU, Cleopatra's having a contest to see who can post the best rant about how much they hate it. The counterintuitive grand prize? A trip to Seattle to meet the band and watch them play live (you know, the band you just won a contest by expressing your disdain for!)!
W. T. F.
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It's a bit more complicated than that. But as relevant to the question you posed, he isn't seeking dissolution of the corporation. He is claiming they couldn't oust him. And part of the problem is that, strictly going by the bylaws, the band has a problem because they never bothered to amend the bylaws after Chris left, and as I recall, the old bylaws say that you need 4/5 to agree to oust somebody. There are several layers of issues, but the other big issue is that he probably wants a lot more out of the payout to get rid of him (including use of the name) than they are willing to give him.
I've been reading through all of the declarations, motions and decisions, and while I'm only up to the preliminary injunction hearing, Tate's side has been bringing up dissolution quite a bit. It tends to come up as though it would be a necessary and eventual outcome, but it still seems like that's what they're seeking.
All in all, reading everybody's declarations, including a lot of external parties, as well as all of Slater's posting from before this all blew up, it's a pretty interesting situation. There's obviously a lot of he said/she said high school bullshit, but taking all of it together, along with the perspective of longtime fans such as myself, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of how all of this went down, and it's not terribly surprising. At this point, I'm not sure I'd be willing to take either side. It's pretty obvious that Tate's really tarnished the band greatly, but the other guys certainly had a good deal to do with letting that happen.
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OK, everyone, it just got weirder (didn't think it could, did you?)--https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/ (https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/)
A whole three days after releasing FU, Cleopatra's having a contest to see who can post the best rant about how much they hate it. The counterintuitive grand prize? A trip to Seattle to meet the band and watch them play live (you know, the band you just won a contest by expressing your disdain for!)!
W. T. F.
:therearenowords:
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I think this is just a clever blaze of glory attempt for Geoff to kick Samsara in the balls and waterboard him with some Insania.
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OK, everyone, it just got weirder (didn't think it could, did you?)--https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/ (https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/)
A whole three days after releasing FU, Cleopatra's having a contest to see who can post the best rant about how much they hate it. The counterintuitive grand prize? A trip to Seattle to meet the band and watch them play live (you know, the band you just won a contest by expressing your disdain for!)!
W. T. F.
This is just so when you get there, Tate can spit on you.
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OK, everyone, it just got weirder (didn't think it could, did you?)--https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/ (https://cleorecs.com/home/queensryche-best-rant-contest/)
A whole three days after releasing FU, Cleopatra's having a contest to see who can post the best rant about how much they hate it. The counterintuitive grand prize? A trip to Seattle to meet the band and watch them play live (you know, the band you just won a contest by expressing your disdain for!)!
W. T. F.
Good Grief
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I vote that bosk be the representative for DTF in this contest.
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You know those tapes they put on real loud to break prisoners of war and use in other interrogations? I bet Tate's new adventures will be a hit among that circle of people.
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First week sales figures are out. F.U. moved a total of 5,500 copies.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189411
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How's that compare to Geoff's solo album?
EDIT: I just spotified "I Don't Believe in Love" jsut for the hell of it. Man this isn't getting better.
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About double. But still abyssmal.
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Are they counting the cd sales and the remixed download as two? Can't believe 5000 people bought it.
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Are they counting the cd sales and the remixed download as two? Can't believe 5000 people bought it.
That's not out yet, is it?
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5,500 is actually far better than I expected.
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Like I said in the regular Queensryche topic, I didn't even see FU on sale anywhere around here.
I'm really hoping the self-titled release doesn't do worse. :-\
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I'm really not shocked, a steady decline from DtC. He's not picking up any new fans, but it has the Queensryche name on it and I think most of us take for granted the actual number of fans who monitor things as closely as we all do. I suspect the real Queensryche will do better, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't break 10,000.
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FU is at Best Buy over here.
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I suspect the real Queensryche will do better, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't break 10,000.
I would be VERY surprised. I think they'll do over 15,000 easily, and I wouldn't be surprised if they broke 20,000.
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I'm guessing there are quite a few non internet, non forum users...QR fans that don't have a clue Tate and QR parted ways and I'll
bet they bought the CD. Casual fans who saw a new QR album and bought it.
And I'll be surprised if the 'real' QR album sells more than 8K.
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And I'll be surprised if the 'real' QR album sells more than 8K.
Based on what?
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Just a guess based on recent trends. Hopefully they sell more. I'd love to see them move at least 11K so they can say they doubled
Tateryche's sales. But it's tough to sell units nowadays.
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Just a guess based on recent trends. Hopefully they sell more. I'd love to see them move at least 11K so they can say they doubled
Tateryche's sales. But it's tough to sell units nowadays.
I think they'll hit 10,000 only 208 people per state not including Hawaii or Alaska. :biggrin:
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Nah, it's not that tough to sell albums. Here are some numbers for recent years:
Iron Maiden "The Final Frontier" (2010): 63,000 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 4.
Dream Theater "Black Clouds & Silver Linings" (2009): 40,285 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 6.
Symphony X "Iconoclast" (2011): 7,300 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 76.
Motley Crue "Saints of Los Angeles" (2008): 99,000 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 4.
Ratt "Infestation" (2010): 14,000 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 30.
Def Leppard "Songs from the Sparkle Lounge" (2008): 55,000 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 5.
Megadeth "Endgame" (2010): 45,000 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 9.
Opeth "Watershed" 2008: no sales numbers, charted at # 23
Rob Zombie (2013): 28,359 copies
Dream Theater "A Dramatic Turn of Events (2011): 40,285 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 8
Will they do the numbers Maiden or Crue put up? Not nearly. But I'd put them somewhere above Symphony X and below DT in terms of selling power. Take Dedicated to Chaos out of the picture, which everyone who had heard clips knew was going to be crap, and they've done first week sales of 20,000 and above on every album going back all the way to Q2K (Mindcrime II did 44,000, but the "Mindcrime" tag jacked those numbers up, I'm sure). If their pace with no promotion and Slater at the helm was consistenly over 20,000, and you have DT seling more than twice that on their past two albums, I think with the promotion they are getting from the new label and with all the pre-release touring they are doing with Todd, they should come close to the 20,000 mark again. I'm sticking with my 15K-16K prediction because I think the numbers support it. You could be right that it may not break 10K, but I think that's too pessimistic.
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Dream Theater "Black Clouds & Silver Linings" (2009): 40,285 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 6.
Dream Theater "A Dramatic Turn of Events (2011): 40,285 copies; Billboard 200 chart position No. 8
Now that's a steady fan-base.
Will they do the numbers Maiden or Crue put up? Not nearly. But I'd put them somewhere above Symphony X and below DT in terms of selling power. Take Dedicated to Chaos out of the picture, which everyone who had heard clips knew was going to be crap, and they've done first week sales of 20,000 and above on every album going back all the way to Q2K (Mindcrime II did 44,000, but the "Mindcrime" tag jacked those numbers up, I'm sure). If their pace with no promotion and Slater at the helm was consistenly over 20,000, and you have DT seling more than twice that on their past two albums, I think with the promotion they are getting from the new label and with all the pre-release touring they are doing with Todd, they should come close to the 20,000 mark again. I'm sticking with my 15K-16K prediction because I think the numbers support it. You could be right that it may not break 10K, but I think that's too pessimistic.
I don't think you can take D2C out of the picture, though. As I recall, their sales have been trending downward sharply over the last few albums. D2C was a continuation of their decline, not a sudden drop-off. While I expect them to do better with a better singer, and the curiosity factor of whether or not they can write songs, I don't think they're going to go back to even AS numbers. I think 10k is a pretty reasonable estimate.
Something else to consider is how many people who bought FU will also buy QR? I'm guessing a helluva lot of them are quite loyal to Tate and won't support the other version. That's splitting an already small fan-base.
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Regarding DT: Oops. Must have copied that wrong. I know they're close, but not that close. :lol
Regardign QR: Yeah, DTC was a sudden, sharp dropoff. Here are the numbers from Q2K onward (not including the covers album because 1. it's a covers album, so it shouldn't count because those always sell less than a regular release, and 2. I don't know the numbers):
-Q2K: 28,000
-Tribe: 20,000
-O:MII: 44,000
-American Soldier: 21,000
-DTC: 8,000
If you just take the last three albums, it looks like a steady decline, but I don't think that's a fair reading because Mindcrime II wasn't really indicative of their normal numbers. It was a big spike in sales, again likely because of the "Mindcrime" name. They are in the 20,000's pretty consistently until Geoff does the Cabaret and they release DTC, which everyone panned before it hit the market based on the single and the clips.
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If QR can't match Ratt, there's definitely a problem. Anyway, I see them pulling Ratt level numbers, easily.
Though, I do wonder how many people fall through the cracks just due to ignorance. For example, Tatesyrche still has WAY more likes on Facebook than the real Queensryche.
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Which one is that exactly? Doesn't Tate have the original Ryche facebook page anyway? That one had likes from like 10 years ago.
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If they both had to build from scratch I'm sure that would be different, but when one side in an (as of now) equal dispute is able to hijack the page and continue on things become much easier. The ability of the real band to build back what they have is a testament to them.
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If they both had to build from scratch I'm sure that would be different, but when one side in an (as of now) equal dispute is able to hijack the page and continue on things become much easier. The ability of the real band to build back what they have is a testament to them.
Yeah, I get that. Which is why I chalk it up to ignorance, rather than people making the bizarre choice to support Tatesyrche.
That said, it also doesn't help that Tate got his record out first.
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If they both had to build from scratch I'm sure that would be different, but when one side in an (as of now) equal dispute is able to hijack the page and continue on things become much easier. The ability of the real band to build back what they have is a testament to them.
Yeah, I get that. Which is why I chalk it up to ignorance, rather than people making the bizarre choice to support Tatesyrche.
That said, it also doesn't help that Tate got his record out first.
Nope, and he knows that. That's why he decided to forego doing any song-writing, good recording, or quality control in order to be able to announce an early date right after the real records date had been set.
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Okay, as I made it known I quite liked Cold and said that I would buy the money and see what we get, mainly for the guest spots. I also didn't mind a few songs from Tate's last solo cd. So, I received the album in the mails after I think spending 14 or 15 dollars on it. So I'm going to post a few thoughts on my initial first listen. You can call me stupid now, but hey. it's $15, Tate will probably need it.
Also, I turned off Headspace to listen to this.
Cold: Wow, coming straight from Headspace, this album really does sound like shit. It's demo quality, with cheap sounding guitars, Geoff sounds actually a bit drowned out due to the muddiness. The song is still okay. The thing is, this isn't Queensryche, and it doesn't sound like Queensryche. Also, I do like Kelly's guitar solo. Lukas Rossi writes this with Tate so I'm guessing most of the ideas here are from Lukas.
Also, the lyrics aren't in the booklet, which pisses me off a bit. I never read them, but I think at least the booklet should have relevent info and lyrics.
Dare: Pretty modern rock sorta of intro, and I'm not liking where it's going. Typical childish type chorus. "You wouldn't dare hurt me, cause you just might get hurt yourself." Fuck off Geoff, this song is hurting my ears at the moment and makes me want to hurt you. This one is written by Tate and Slater which says a lot.
Give It To You: What the hell is Geoff doing at the start, sounds like shit. This one is from Slate and Tate and Chris Cox, whoever that is. The verses are terrible, but the chorus isn't too bad, but really not enough to save the song. It's better than the last song. "How do you like me so far" Hmm......really Geoff. Robert Sarzo does an absolutely horrific guitar solo here, good lord, it's cringeworthy.
Slave: Nice heavy riff starts us off here, could be okay. Just looked at the credits, Tate and Slater, oh dear. Jesus, fucking awful chorus. Everything seems off time or slightly out of sync with each other. I don't know who Chris Cannella is but his solo was nothing special. Alright, but nothing special.
Okay, I'm actually starting to get a bit fucking angry now, I had a shit day at work and this isn't helping.
In the Hands of God: "1..... 2" What the fuck Geoff, what?? Okay, Lukas Rossi wrote this one aswell so let's see. Hmm....the atmosphere here is not too bad, but the chorus isn't really going anywhere. Ty Tabor adds a really nice melodic solo here which fits with the song really well. Better than the last three but that's not saying much.
Running Backwards: Now, Martin Irigoyen (whoever that is) adds to Slater and Tate song writing for dummies: Geoff in his gay lord rapping mode, oh dear with some terribly of key notes. The music for the chorus isn't too bad but Geoff's vocal melodies are shit and just all over the place. KK Downing adds some really nice shred but the recording of his solo sounds shit and is mixed so bad you can hardly hear it. It's like he did it in his home studio in 5 minutes and said, "yeah, that'll do." The solo however is really nice and great to hear KK on tape again.
Life Without You: Slater and Tate back at it again. This sounds okay at the start, and I like how they use the Midcrime type clean chords in the verses. Of course, Geoff ruins this totally, those vocals in the chorus are terrible. Fucking Brad Gillis does his best to save this shit with an excellent Gillis style shred fest which pricks the ears, but it ends to soon when you hear Tater again. "Life Without You" SHUT THE FUCK UP, this is so annoying, why would Gillis and Downing play on this shit!
Everything: Same writing team as Running Backwards here and I'm pretty over it. I gave Geoff the benefit of the doubt and tried to show him some love, but his shitting on me, or should I say spitting on me again. The intro riff here is not bad, pretty modern sounding, and I like the clean guitars in the verses, and Geoff tries hard to hold a melody. FUCKING SHIT CHORUS, and Geoff sounds like an out of tune dying cow! "We could have everything." Man, this is painful, really painful. Ty Tabor provides some nice guitar, he's trying to save it but Geoff singing over the top of him makes him invalid.
Fallen: I just don't care anymore. But Meniketti is on this one, so let's listen. Boring after the first minute. Wow, after 2 minutes this is just rubbish, Dave Meniketti actually was happy to play on this, that's quite depressing. As expected, absolute killer solo from Dave, but again, he can't save this rubbish. The outro solo however is incredible.
The Weight of the World: Oh Geoff, you sound fucking done bro, just give up and kill yourself please. Wow, just saw Chris Poland is going to do the solo on this, poor bastard. Geoff simply has insulted all these great guitar players, but one must think how stupid are they for playing on this, it's mind boggling. Okay, getting into the heavier section this isn't too bad, and Tate is actually trying to show a bit of real emotion and put in an effort here. The atmpshere in the middle is actually quite good. Beisdes Chris having an awful tone, he shreds this, incredible, love this guy's playing. He might have saved this song.
Okay, for Geoff to release this and call it Queensryche, is an absolute joke. I will give this another chance or two, but this album is a steaming pile of shit. And every guest is more of an idiot for being part of it. I gave Geoff the benefit of the doubt and paid for his album and he repays me with this fake bullshit. Fuck you Geoff, I'm done.
Oh shit, there's 4 covers I still have to listen to;
I Don't Believe In Love: Who the hell is this Martin guy that did the music on these, he should be shot. Wait, I just heard Tate first couple of lines, is this for real? Wow, this is beyond a trainwreck. Tate's fucking kidding us with this chorus right? Wow...........just.........wow......to release this is just.......wow.
The cover is even more funny after hearing the cd. FU Tate.
Empire: These programmed drums sound terrible, absolutely terrible. Why is he re-recording these, he sounds terrible, tired, emotionless and how about those backups before the chorus lol. And then the chours. :rollin
Jet City Woman: Jesus, those chorus sound a bit sharp don't they? These really are possibly the worst things ever recorded. Fuck, these vocals are just absymal, my god.
Silent Lucidity: Turned it off after a minute and put Headspace back on.
I seriously think Geoff is taking the piss out of us. I stuck with this guy over the last ten years, but this is just too much. I am looking forward to the real QR in June, I might buy about 10 copies.
I think I might throw my copy of FU at some clown walking down the street tomorrow for laughs.
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If QR can't match Ratt, there's definitely a problem. Anyway, I see them pulling Ratt level numbers, easily.
Though, I do wonder how many people fall through the cracks just due to ignorance. For example, Tatesyrche still has WAY more likes on Facebook than the real Queensryche.
Well Tate took over the old facebook page so I don't think many of the fans there were made aware of the changes.
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I am looking forward to the real QR in June, I might buy about 10 copies.
:lol
Wolf, I hate to say it, but you only have yourself to blame. You should've just sent the money to Doug Pinnink! ;D
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Nice write up Kade, and sums up my thoughts. I enjoyed it the first time when the samples were up on Soundcloud but they are demos, nothing more.
Your comment about KK playing his solo in 5 mins and thinking "that'll do" is exactly Tate's thoughts about the whole album: throw something together cheap and get iot out first.
Don't see why I should care when he obviously doesn't. Gonna have to listen again just for the solos as in my 3-4 plays they haven't stood out, probably due to being dazzled by GT's shitness.
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The re-records sound like Geoff "sang" over some crappy backing tracks off Youtube.
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So am I the only one planning to get the actual Queensryche album just to spite Tate?
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So am I the only one planning to get the actual Queensryche album just to spite Tate?
I am getting it because I think it might be good. Spiting Tate is just a bonus.
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So am I the only one planning to get the actual Queensryche album just to spite Tate?
I am getting it because I think it might be good. Spiting Tate is just a bonus.
Pretty much this. I have no interest in spiting Tate. In fact, I'll probably own a copy of his TateWreck album eventually too, but only if I can find it used. I'm not out to spite him, but I'm not going to willingly put another dime in his pocket.
As for the sales numbers, I just have to say that I'm baffled by the people who try to defend the 5,500 number. There is nothing good about only selling 5,500 units of your album in its debut week. Nothing. 5,500 is an unmitigated disaster by ANY standards. Sometimes, bands from the '80s will put out an album they know isn't great and will not sell well as a business decision. Whether it's a good decision or a bad decision may be up for debate. But I can understand the logic of putting out an album that a band knows will be a bit of a loss leader, but stirs up a bit of interst and gives the band a legitimate reason in the eyes of fans and promoters to get on the road and do a solid tour to earn some real money. The band, the label, and everyone else know that the album itself will lose money, and that's okay. But even with that thought process (and I'm not even giving Tate this much credit because this clearly was NOT his rationale here), only moving 5,500 units would be a disaster. ESPECIALLY for a band that, with one exception, has consistently moved well over 20,000 units or more of every album relased in the past decade, and ESPECIALLY for a band that should be generating a ton of buzz for going out and playing a Mindcrime 25th anniversary tour. That last factor alone should have generated more interest than to sell 5,500 copies. 5,500 tells me that while there are enough people out there willing to take a "wait and see" approach and give Geoff the benefit of the doubt, MOST people aren't buying what he is selling AT ALL and that people are done with him. 5,500 is awful, and there is no way to defend it whatsoever. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors in the Tate camp, but if they believe otherwise, they are truly delusional.
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I am looking forward to the real QR in June, I might buy about 10 copies.
:lol
Wolf, I hate to say it, but you only have yourself to blame. You should've just sent the money to Doug Pinnink! ;D
Hey man, I'm only kicking my own ass. :lol I might send Doug my copy and he can sell it for a couple of bucks. :lol
Nice write up Kade, and sums up my thoughts. I enjoyed it the first time when the samples were up on Soundcloud but they are demos, nothing more.
Your comment about KK playing his solo in 5 mins and thinking "that'll do" is exactly Tate's thoughts about the whole album: throw something together cheap and get iot out first.
Don't see why I should care when he obviously doesn't. Gonna have to listen again just for the solos as in my 3-4 plays they haven't stood out, probably due to being dazzled by GT's shitness.
Yeah, I'll listen to it a few more times, but you're right Paul, this whole thing is just so slapped together without any thought, emotion or effort put in whatsoever. And you know, these thoughts are coming from myself who still have given Tate multiple chances, but this album is just spitting in our faces. And yes, the vocals on the re-recordings are just terrible. The guests solos didn't really stand out. What they did with what they had was decent, but they couldn't save them. Except Chris Poland, his solos on the closing track was the best part of the album.
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Once you get past the two minute auto-tuned intro, I rather like Weight of the World. It's a bit repetitive, but it's got good atmosphere and that fuzzy-ass guitar tone soloing over the mellow background reminds me of something out of Heavy Metal.
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Now I'm checking out comments on youtube and stuff and have come across that the remix has a totally different solo for Running Backwards, it's re-recorded but doesn't sound like KK at all. WTF?
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Now I'm checking out comments on youtube and stuff and have come across that the remix has a totally different solo for Running Backwards, it's re-recorded but doesn't sound like KK at all. WTF?
You are aware that the album was remixed, right? A couple of weeks before release, the label basically said [paraphrase], "This mix sucks, and fans that have heard clips agree and are complaining all over the Internet. Let's hire a bunch of people to do a rush remix of most of the tracks and offer to give people who end up with the first mix the opportunity to exchange it for free if they want to." In that remix process, KK's solo got replaced by the guy who remixed that song (I think Engler did that particular one, if memory serves). If your version has KK's, you got the original mix. If it has something that sounds watered down and nothing like KK, you got the remix.
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You are aware that the album was remixed, right? A couple of weeks before release, the label basically said [paraphrase], "This mix sucks, and fans that have heard clips agree and are complaining all over the Internet. Let's hire a bunch of people to do a rush remix of most of the tracks and offer to give people who end up with the first mix the opportunity to exchange it for free if they want to." In that remix process, KK's solo got replaced by the guy who remixed that song (I think Engler did that particular one, if memory serves). If your version has KK's, you got the original mix. If it has something that sounds watered down and nothing like KK, you got the remix.
I thought the remix was coming much later...
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You are aware that the album was remixed, right? A couple of weeks before release, the label basically said [paraphrase], "This mix sucks, and fans that have heard clips agree and are complaining all over the Internet. Let's hire a bunch of people to do a rush remix of most of the tracks and offer to give people who end up with the first mix the opportunity to exchange it for free if they want to." In that remix process, KK's solo got replaced by the guy who remixed that song (I think Engler did that particular one, if memory serves). If your version has KK's, you got the original mix. If it has something that sounds watered down and nothing like KK, you got the remix.
I thought the remix was coming much later...
That's the remix of the remix.
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Now I'm checking out comments on youtube and stuff and have come across that the remix has a totally different solo for Running Backwards, it's re-recorded but doesn't sound like KK at all. WTF?
You are aware that the album was remixed, right? A couple of weeks before release, the label basically said [paraphrase], "This mix sucks, and fans that have heard clips agree and are complaining all over the Internet. Let's hire a bunch of people to do a rush remix of most of the tracks and offer to give people who end up with the first mix the opportunity to exchange it for free if they want to." In that remix process, KK's solo got replaced by the guy who remixed that song (I think Engler did that particular one, if memory serves). If your version has KK's, you got the original mix. If it has something that sounds watered down and nothing like KK, you got the remix.
Yeah, I knew about the remix, but didn't know that KK's solo was replaced. This just gets funnier, the new solo is shit anyway, I wonder how KK feels about that. :lol
My version has KK.
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What the fuck.!!!!! :facepalm: Fuck Brave Words
https://www.bravewords.com/hardwares/1002380
Ha ha, well, as the story goes, the least metallically inclined guy in the band, Geoff Tate, but also the leader, sort of uses his front position to take the band unsuccessfully non-metal, and then goes even more pop as a solo artist. Well, now that he’s in bitter competition with the other QUEENSRŸCHE (more valid of course, just by the math), Tate realizes that making a dance record would be stepping into a trap. So Frequency Unknown is pretty rockin’ and more impressively, creatively front-edge, especially ‘Dare’ and ‘Slave’ and from a slant-eye, ‘In The Hands Of God’ each serving along with, yes, the few but always edgy mellow tracks, to create a smart album and one with an identity, sort of sinister, modern, a bit grungy, but actually quite creative down a Rage For Order path, specifically. Oh just to fan the flames, and I suppose I actually believe this, a vocalist and lyricist and writer like Tate is approximately half the band, so let the war continue. And here he is, applying that trademark twang to the point where, frankly, it would take a real deep music guy to think t’other Queensrÿche is going to sound more like Queensrÿche than this one. Sure the crack band is/was/will still be, journeymen, but they are of course super-talented as well, and what they’ve cooked up is a tempered yet proggy album, intellectually arranged, heavy to the edge of heaviness, but never over the top, again, Rage For Order in fecund origami permutation, but also atmospheric like Q2K and American Soldier. Hey, I know, I wanted to hate it too, but I’m super surprised, frankly, these guys could put together such a complicated and visionary album of almost a new type of metal, so quickly, and with so many bad vibes one would think draining batteries all around. And the controversy over the mix? Sounds good to me now, with bright, raucous drums, everything clear and correct. But sure, crunchy combative drums seems to have been a deliberate goal. Verdict: there’s a lot of Tate in this, but circumstances have kicked his ass as well, and the guy’s responded with fight.
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Are all the writers on that site retarded?
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fecund origami permutation
Was he just throwing in randomly selected words from a spam mail to see if people were paying attention?
To that I say: clamber to frond perspicacious orange epithet.
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What the fuck.!!!!! :facepalm: Fuck Brave Words
https://www.bravewords.com/hardwares/1002380
Ha ha, well, as the story goes, the least metallically inclined guy in the band, Geoff Tate, but also the leader, sort of uses his front position to take the band unsuccessfully non-metal, and then goes even more pop as a solo artist. Well, now that he’s in bitter competition with the other QUEENSRŸCHE (more valid of course, just by the math), Tate realizes that making a dance record would be stepping into a trap. So Frequency Unknown is pretty rockin’ and more impressively, creatively front-edge, especially ‘Dare’ and ‘Slave’ and from a slant-eye, ‘In The Hands Of God’ each serving along with, yes, the few but always edgy mellow tracks, to create a smart album and one with an identity, sort of sinister, modern, a bit grungy, but actually quite creative down a Rage For Order path, specifically. Oh just to fan the flames, and I suppose I actually believe this, a vocalist and lyricist and writer like Tate is approximately half the band, so let the war continue. And here he is, applying that trademark twang to the point where, frankly, it would take a real deep music guy to think t’other Queensrÿche is going to sound more like Queensrÿche than this one. Sure the crack band is/was/will still be, journeymen, but they are of course super-talented as well, and what they’ve cooked up is a tempered yet proggy album, intellectually arranged, heavy to the edge of heaviness, but never over the top, again, Rage For Order in fecund origami permutation, but also atmospheric like Q2K and American Soldier. Hey, I know, I wanted to hate it too, but I’m super surprised, frankly, these guys could put together such a complicated and visionary album of almost a new type of metal, so quickly, and with so many bad vibes one would think draining batteries all around. And the controversy over the mix? Sounds good to me now, with bright, raucous drums, everything clear and correct. But sure, crunchy combative drums seems to have been a deliberate goal. Verdict: there’s a lot of Tate in this, but circumstances have kicked his ass as well, and the guy’s responded with fight.
Knew before I clicked on it that was Martin Popoff. If memory serves he wrote a GLOWING review of St. Anger, and if anything, his reviews have gotten even more pretentious since then.
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fecund origami permutation
Was he just throwing in randomly selected words from a spam mail to see if people were paying attention?
To that I say: clamber to frond perspicacious orange epithet.
:clap:
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I see this is on Spotify, so I will listen to it there. From the impression I got listening to the single, though, I can't see myself even being able to sit through the entire album even once.
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(https://webdome.3owl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/trankazos-2013.jpg)
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Okay, this seriously has to be quite possibly the worst album I have ever heard. It's just astounding how crap this is. Sorry I'm beating a dead horse here but wow, even DTC was a lot better than this IMHO.
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Okay, this seriously has to be quite possibly the worst album I have ever heard. It's just astounding how crap this is. Sorry I'm beating a dead horse here but wow, even DTC was a lot better than this IMHO.
Wow. So what would you give it out of 10? I cant believe it would be worse then DTC. Dedicated to Chaos is my all time most hated disc from a band that I am a fan of. I actually recently took my copy of DTC and threw it like a frisbee into a garbage bin. That disc is sickening. I never will picked up FU but just listened to the songs on YouTube. Wasn't impressed at all.
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Okay, this seriously has to be quite possibly the worst album I have ever heard. It's just astounding how crap this is. Sorry I'm beating a dead horse here but wow, even DTC was a lot better than this IMHO.
Wow. So what would you give it out of 10? I cant believe it would be worse then DTC. Dedicated to Chaos is my all time most hated disc from a band that I am a fan of. I actually recently took my copy of DTC and threw it like a frisbee into a garbage bin. That disc is sickening. I never will picked up FU but just listened to the songs on YouTube. Wasn't impressed at all.
:lol That's awesome. I remember when I did my review of it, I gave it 42 out of 100. I had no expectations from the cd and I found a few songs I liked from it.
FU I'd give it a 2 out of 10, maybe a 3.
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fecund origami permutation
Was he just throwing in randomly selected words from a spam mail to see if people were paying attention?
To that I say: clamber to frond perspicacious orange epithet.
:clap:
I almost blew my cookies when I read this post :rollin
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nevermind
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=De--NWAGmkA
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Suddenly it all makes sense to me after watching that video. GT has been on a mission to make QR into a parody of it's former self since the late 90's. He's been doing it because he wants to...um...fuck, who knows?
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Based on that, I'm not sure whether he's so arrogant and clueless that he can just ignore all of that hate and somehow believe they're all wrong, or whether he knows fully that it sucks, and gets joy in releasing something so bad that his record company has to run a competition where you win by announcing how shit it is. That must be one desperate record company.
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Based on his behaviour, I don't think he would think that. I beleive he actually thinks these people posting are beneath him and don't know what they are talking about. I agree with all of them really, I rarely dog albums, but this is utter garbage.
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fecund origami permutation
Was he just throwing in randomly selected words from a spam mail to see if people were paying attention?
To that I say: clamber to frond perspicacious orange epithet.
^ POTY nomination.
Kade... as I read your review of the songs, I was reminded of the Seinfeld episode where George leaves a bunch of voice-mails for a girl he's trying to get a second date with, and each gets progressively madder and angrier (bordering on violent) that she's not calling him back. :rollin
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:lol Yeah, that's a great episode. And then they go ito the apartment to switch the tape, where she had already heard them and thought they were a joke. :lol Yeah, I guess I see how you got that. But that's how a I felt the longer I listened to this album, absolute shit.
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So... Anyone gonna enter the contest?
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So... Anyone gonna enter the contest?
I'd have to listen to the album first, and I respect myself too much.
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I tried listening to this album but I just skipped to the next song when I got bored. Which was A LOT.
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I listened to it last night. The thing that most strikes me is, with a better singer and better production, some of these songs could have been at least okay. As it is, everything sounds muddled together, Geoff warbles all over the place and sounds as if he's trying to sing with certain inflections, but derails constantly, and most of the songs themselves aren't very interesting musically.
That said, what I heard was a step up from Dedicated To Chaos, believe it or not. Except for At The Edge, which is still a song I like.
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It's at the point where I have put the last 6-7 years of QR completely out of my head and will pretend it didn't happen. That's the best way to have a lasting good impression of Tate.
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You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"
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You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"
Indeed.
Listened to HITNF again yesterday and quite enjoyed it. Plenty of rubbish on it but some of it is better than I remember.
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You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"
Indeed.
Listened to HITNF again yesterday and quite enjoyed it. Plenty of rubbish on it but some of it is better than I remember.
Yeah there are quality tracks on that disc for sure. If it was condensed by about 4-5 songs, it would be much better. Lots of filler, thats true.
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You missed 'teen' on the end of that "6-7"
Indeed.
Listened to HITNF again yesterday and quite enjoyed it. Plenty of rubbish on it but some of it is better than I remember.
Yeah there are quality tracks on that disc for sure. If it was condensed by about 4-5 songs, it would be much better. Lots of filler, thats true.
Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.
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Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.
>:(
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Oh and the solo in Cuckoo's Nest... bloody awful. If CDG was going for a vibe of someone who can't play guitar doing their first solo he nailed it. Grates on me every time I hear it.
Yeah, that solo is pretty bad. I get what he was going for, but the execution was awful.
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I like what they tried to go for on HITNF, but really, I only like 4 or 5 songs.
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New Suite Sister Mary clip (with new bassist and new Mary). The band is actually starting to sound decent now that they've had a bit more time to gel. I even thought Tate sounded surprisingly good during the initial soft part. But once the guitar kick in and he has to belt even the slightest bit, he sounds horrible again. And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good. Frankly, she's terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDuURFiQpg&sns=em
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New Suite Sister Mary clip (with new bassist and new Mary). The band is actually starting to sound decent now that they've had a bit more time to gel. I even thought Tate sounded surprisingly good during the initial soft part. But once the guitar kick in and he has to belt even the slightest bit, he sounds horrible again. And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good. Frankly, she's terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDuURFiQpg&sns=em
Chad's not gonna be happy :lol
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His stage presence and antics are almost surpassing his singing in terribleness though. Hiring bad female singers is probably on purpose as a part of making GT not sound as bad too.
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Okay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but whatever: I actually liked two of the songs from FU. Most of the album's bland as hell, and Tater can't sing for shit, but I do like the Promised Land-esque riff going on in "In The Hands Of God" and I actually don't mind "The Weight Of The World". So... yeah... :millahhhh
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Okay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but whatever: I actually liked two of the songs from FU. Most of the album's bland as hell, and Tater can't sing for shit, but I do like the Promised Land-esque riff going on in "In The Hands Of God" and I actually don't mind "The Weight Of The World". So... yeah... :millahhhh
A decent producer and singer could salvage half of this album, there are some decent songs trying to struggle free. As it is it's a steaming pile of shit.
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And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good. Frankly, she's terrible.
Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL. She's a blues-rock singer. You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary. I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit. Terrible choice by Tate. I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche. Was hoping to catch them when they were playing. I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.
In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.
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And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good. Frankly, she's terrible.
Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL. She's a blues-rock singer. You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary. I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit. Terrible choice by Tate. I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche. Was hoping to catch them when they were playing. I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.
In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.
In Canada, Sass is still a pretty big star. She was one of the judges on Canadian Idol and I heard a rumor that she did a try out for Van Halen in the mid 90's. Check out her song "High Road Easy". I wouldnt consider myself a fan, but she does have a good voice. However, she seemed extremely out of place with QR.
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And I don't know Sass at all, but given that she's a professional singer, I expected her to be pretty good. Frankly, she's terrible.
Her voice is not suited to this song or range AT ALL. She's a blues-rock singer. You'd do just as well to put Janis Joplin in for the role of Mary. I can understand not digging this at all... as Mary, she sounds like shit. Terrible choice by Tate. I was so bummed to here her band (S.U.N.) was opening for Tateryche. Was hoping to catch them when they were playing. I even posted on their FB page how disappointed I was they were playing with Tateryche.
In her own style/genre, she's dynamite.
Yeah, I should clarify that she is terrible on that song. Not saying she's a bad singer. But, first off, her voice is not suited for that song at all. Just the timbre and natural grittiness she sings with is not even remotely in the same neighborhood as what that song needs. Second, she doesn't appear to have the range to hit the notes, even as severely downtuned as they are playing it to accommodate Tate. Third, she is incredibly pitchy. On that point, I don't want to be too hard on her. Singing live is not as easy as it looks, and there are a bunch of factors that can screw you up, including not being able to hear yourself, or (likely in this case), the lead singer you are trying to harmonize with being out of key, for example. But she just sounded awful in that clip.
I've heard some of the stuff with her band (thanks, Chad!), and while her voice seems to be somewhat of an acquired taste, she at least sounds like she fits on that other stuff.
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That wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. Still not great, though.
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Not to go :offtopic: anymore re: Sass, but she's sung a lot of different styles in her day ... pop, blues, rock, grunge, and now this hard-rock thing she's doing in S.U.N. Her 90s stuff is definitely more accessible, and I'd say I only enjoy S.U.N. because I really like her. This song (https://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=66384926&ac=now) is a really good example of her talent, and probably my second favorite song with her on the mic.
I can definitely see how she's an acquired taste.... on that I did indeed acquire 25 years ago. Plus ...
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVyn_aIyaGoB-NMVuo6pOC8hd-9S6R0pwqqnBIP2eadsszRHX4jQ)
Not bad for 50.
Ok, back on topic...
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Today I learned AMob's own John Moyer plays with these guys.
Dude must be hard up for a gig.
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Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be
Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it. Unbelievable.
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Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be
Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it. Unbelievable.
You know, the more this sort of stuff happens with Tate, the more I appreciate the fact that I never really got all the hype behind his voice in the classic era. Yeah, he was insanely talented back in the day, but he was never a personal favorite of mine.
Still, this is incredibly disappointing to see.
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I was a big fan of him and the band in the classic era but the guy has lost his damn mind. Really is sickening to see the way he carries on. :tdwn
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Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be
Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it. Unbelievable.
Wow, what an asshole.
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You think he'd be happy people actually still want to capture his performances on video.
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"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"
:lol
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"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"
:lol
That's gold. Can't wait til I get home to check that vid, not surprising though for Tate these days.
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"I see a big Queensryche banner hanging up in the back....did they come out and play after these guys?"
:lol
:lol Fucking awesome.
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Just when you thought Geoff Tate couldn't be more of an idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCISgoZ6m6c&feature=youtu.be
Take a look at 10:20 where he snatches a fan's phone and throws it. Unbelievable.
This is just absurd. The comments are saying that the reason why he did is what that he asked for no video or pictures, but does this give the right for him to do that to somebody's personal property, fuck no, what an asshole.
The request of no video recording is pathetic as it is, especially for this pathetic excuse of a group of idiots calling themselves Queensryche. but when I saw WASP, there was the same policy due to the performance of the album and the video story behind it, where Blackie was trying to keep it as secret as possible for the concert experience seeing it for the first time live as opposed to youtube, but security were the ones running around telling people to stop recording, Blackie never did anything regarding videos, it was all security. Despite his policy he performed fully professional without doing something like this or signaling inappropriately to fans.
I think Geoff has become the ultimate rock asshole. He makes Blackie, Schaffer, Mustaine, Ulrich and Malmsteen look like sweethearts. Fucking dick.
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Agreed, BUT he's still no Axl Rose.
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Hmm...forgot about Axl. You're right, but give him time.
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I really don't know how anyone can stand behind or support this knucklehead anymore.
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He should be proud that people still pay to see him live,let alone record it.
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He should be proud that people still pay to see him live,let alone record it.
Heh, one fears Mr Tate thinks people should feel entitled to see him perform.
It's hard to know if he's got a cocaine problem or is just a fucking prick.
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The request of no video recording is pathetic as it is, especially for this pathetic excuse of a group of idiots calling themselves Queensryche. but when I saw WASP, there was the same policy due to the performance of the album and the video story behind it, where Blackie was trying to keep it as secret as possible for the concert experience seeing it for the first time live as opposed to youtube, but security were the ones running around telling people to stop recording, Blackie never did anything regarding videos, it was all security. Despite his policy he performed fully professional without doing something like this or signaling inappropriately to fans.
Why is it pathetic? Plenty of other bands do it nowadays, too. I know we live in a culture where everyone thinks they should be able to go to a concert and record anything they want, but if the artist or venue says no, then that is your tough shit. Buying a ticket to a concert doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want at the show.
Having said that, that was definitely a dick move by Tate, but if you specifically requested no recording and some guy is sticking his phone right up near your face like that when you are performing, I can see how that would be really irritating.
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I don't think the policy in general is pathetic, but when it's likely put in place just because you don't want potential purchasers to see/hear how shitty your band is, then it becomes pathetic.
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It's a shame that he's like that, but it's really no surprise. GT has been a paranoid asshole since the 80's. Always stand-offish and trying to hide from fans so they don't approach him.
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I won't defend Tate, but not every musician in the limelight is an extrovert who loves talking to fans all day. Sure, it's part of the business, and you know that going in, but for introverts, I can see how it would be a challenge.
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But he's not an introvert. He makes himself inaccessible to fans, but that doesn't make him an introvert.
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That could be, but I was trying to speak in more general terms, since I know some fans expect musicians, celebrities, etc. to always be receptive when fans run up to them to say hi, for an autograph, etc., but it simply isn't realistic. Especially when one is an assface like Tate.
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LOL @ teh taint not even singing the chorus to the song because he can't :lol
I don't think the policy in general is pathetic, but when it's likely put in place just because you don't want potential purchasers to see/hear how shitty your band is, then it becomes pathetic.
Based on his putrid "performance" in that video I'd say this is right on the money.
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Sad thing is, Barry, from the clips I've seen, that's actually one of his "better" performances this tour.
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Yeah, I'd rank it in the 81st percentile of live footage I've seen from the tour.
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Wow! Throwing a fans phone? Really?
Hey, where's Rudy Sarzo? Did he finally come to his senses?
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Sad thing is, Barry, from the clips I've seen, that's actually one of his "better" performances this tour.
I was trying to think of the last time I saw them and I am pretty sure it was in Boston at the Fleet Boston Harbor Lights Pavilion with Fates Warning and Dream Theater. That had to be 6 or 7 years ago and even then he was basically skipping all of the high notes. If he wasn't such an arrogant life-troll and showed a little humility and respect for the people who have made his career possible, maybe less people would be inclined to shit on his head.
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Fair enough, I guess it's the band choice to decide regardign the filming, I actually thought it was okay with WASP, but definitely pathetic for this band.
Hey, where's Rudy Sarzo? Did he finally come to his senses?
I think he is off for some personal or family issues. The guy from Disturbed is taking over.
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Let's all spam that douchebag David Draiman's twitter and tell him to stop referring to this atrocity as Queensryche. He's sending his sheep to the wrong band. I would join but I got myself blocked.
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Fair enough, I guess it's the band choice to decide regardign the filming, I actually thought it was okay with WASP, but definitely pathetic for this band.
Hey, where's Rudy Sarzo? Did he finally come to his senses?
I think he is off for some personal or family issues. The guy from Disturbed is taking over.
No, he actually had already booked a European tour with another band (cover band; I forget which one) before Tate got him, so he's off doing that right now.
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Yeah, that sounds right, I remember reading that now. The revolving door on this band is astonishing. Members so far;
Geoff Tate
Rudy Sarzo
Robert Sarzo
Kelly Gray
Randy Gane
Glen Drover
Simon Wright
Bobby Blotzer
Brian Tichy
John Moyer
Sass Jordan
Nina Noir
Plus people guesting on the album;
Jason Slater
Kk Downing
Brad Gillis
Dave Meniketti
Chris Poland
Ty Tabor
Paul Bostoph
Umm....the rhythm guitar guy
and umm...the guy that did the music on the re workings.
I'm sure there's a few unknowns I've missed.
Seriously in like 6 months, this is crazy.
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Yeah, that sounds right, I remember reading that now. The revolving door on this band is astonishing. Members so far;
Geoff Tate
Rudy Sarzo
Robert Sarzo
Kelly Gray
Randy Gane
Glen Drover
Simon Wright
Bobby Blotzer
Brian Tichy
John Moyer
Sass Jordan
Nina Noir
Plus people guesting on the album;
Jason Slater
Kk Downing
Brad Gillis
Dave Meniketti
Chris Poland
Ty Tabor
Paul Bostoph
Umm....the rhythm guitar guy
and umm...the guy that did the music on the re workings.
I'm sure there's a few unknowns I've missed.
Seriously in like 6 months, this is crazy.
Well, it's not a band. It's a solo artist and should be named as such. The Geoff Tate Experience. But Tate-Wreck sounds better.
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Tateocalpyse.
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Geoff and the Taints
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Vest-ryche
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What happened to "Hefty Ego Fart Sequence"? :rollin
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Huey Lewis and the News with opening band Geoff Tate and the Spits.
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Operation: Soundcrime
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Fat Guy In A Little Coat
/Farley
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Operation: Soundcrime
Excellent!
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Queer In The Now Frontier
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Fair enough, I guess it's the band choice to decide regardign the filming, I actually thought it was okay with WASP, but definitely pathetic for this band.
Hey, where's Rudy Sarzo? Did he finally come to his senses?
I think he is off for some personal or family issues. The guy from Disturbed is taking over.
No, he actually had already booked a European tour with another band (cover band; I forget which one) before Tate got him, so he's off doing that right now.
Just read it was a cover band, it's called ROCKSTAR with Ripper. Funny that he dropped Tate for a cover band. :lol
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From one cover band to another.
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From one cover band to another.
Who Ripper? Yeah, I love Ripper and all but a new Beyond Fear cd is way overdue.
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No, the guy from the Geoff Tate Band. :lol
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No, the guy from the Geoff Tate Band. :lol
oh :lol
EDIT: I just got it. :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Sad thing is, Barry, from the clips I've seen, that's actually one of his "better" performances this tour.
I was trying to think of the last time I saw them and I am pretty sure it was in Boston at the Fleet Boston Harbor Lights Pavilion with Fates Warning and Dream Theater. That had to be 6 or 7 years ago and even then he was basically skipping all of the high notes. If he wasn't such an arrogant life-troll and showed a little humility and respect for the people who have made his career possible, maybe less people would be inclined to shit on his head.
That tour was in 2003.
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:lol This is included in the latest news update on melodicrock.com;
https://www.melodicrock.com/
GEOFF TATE STRIKES OUT:
He spits at his drummer...he tells festival crowds they suck....he pulls a knife his band mates...he thinks it's funny that fans hate his new album...now he's takes a fan cell phone and throws it away. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNt-JIRM3j4. Well Geoff Tate, I say enough is enough.
For the record, I'm done promoting this guy with any press releases. If you see the name Queensryche mentioned here at MelodicRock.com, it's in relation to the actual band, featuring new singer Todd La Torre.
:rollin
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That is awesome.
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It took them that long? :lol
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Has a skin job for a hair do...yeah he looks pretty cool. :\
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He certainly doesn't have anything more to lose. Now, if only the fans would refuse.
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:lol This is included in the latest news update on melodicrock.com;
https://www.melodicrock.com/
GEOFF TATE STRIKES OUT:
He spits at his drummer...he tells festival crowds they suck....he pulls a knife his band mates...he thinks it's funny that fans hate his new album...now he's takes a fan cell phone and throws it away. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNt-JIRM3j4. Well Geoff Tate, I say enough is enough.
For the record, I'm done promoting this guy with any press releases. If you see the name Queensryche mentioned here at MelodicRock.com, it's in relation to the actual band, featuring new singer Todd La Torre.
:rollin
Looks like Melodic Rock wimped out. The last couple sentences there are missing now.
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:lol This is included in the latest news update on melodicrock.com;
https://www.melodicrock.com/
GEOFF TATE STRIKES OUT:
He spits at his drummer...he tells festival crowds they suck....he pulls a knife his band mates...he thinks it's funny that fans hate his new album...now he's takes a fan cell phone and throws it away. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNt-JIRM3j4. Well Geoff Tate, I say enough is enough.
For the record, I'm done promoting this guy with any press releases. If you see the name Queensryche mentioned here at MelodicRock.com, it's in relation to the actual band, featuring new singer Todd La Torre.
:rollin
Looks like Melodic Rock wimped out. The last couple sentences there are missing now.
Its still there in the forum post by Andrew the site owner, but yeah, I thought that too.
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Very interesting indeed that those last lines are gone.
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Running scared of The Vest and his guyliner? :biggrin:
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You don't mess with the Vest.
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Finally, an interviewer who actually asked Geoff Tate some tough questions! https://musicenthusiastmag.com/channeling-unknown-frequencies-with-queensryches-geoff-tate/
I feel like sending this guy a thank you card :metal
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Finally, an interviewer who actually asked Geoff Tate some tough questions! https://musicenthusiastmag.com/channeling-unknown-frequencies-with-queensryches-geoff-tate/
I feel like sending this guy a thank you card :metal
Wow, he didn't handle that very well at all. Shows how immature he really is?
Geoff: Um… no. I don’t understand actually what it is you’re asking. Expletives? What do you mean by that?
William: Here’s one of the lines from “Dare”: When you hit it doesn’t slow me down, I don’t give a fuck about those threats you’re throwing ‘round. I mean, the song was even marked for having expletive content on the album.
(period of silence)
William: Alright. What are some of your personal favorite tracks off of the new album?
Geoff: I like them all. (laughs)
:rollin
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My personal favorite:
William: If that is the case, taking cell phones from audience members and pitching them out to the crowd wouldn’t help matters.
Geoff: Well thanks for that advice, William. You know, I actually have another interview that’s happening right now. I’ve gotta go, but I really appreciate the interview today and it was really good talking to you.
William: And you as well. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me today.
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Yeah, I love how the interviewer just goes "okay, thanks" like he fully expected him to bail.
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He probably had an endless list of questions to throw at Tater, just waiting to see how long it would take for him to pull the ripcord and bail.
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Honestly, what do you guys think Tate could do to repair this damage? Is it even possible? What if he made a public apology to his fans and ex bandmates; took a long break where he worked on his voice along with some counselling/addiction support. Then made a comeback; do you think people would give him another chance?
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Honestly, what do you guys think Tate could do to repair this damage? Is it even possible? What if he made a public apology to his fans and ex bandmates; took a long break where he worked on his voice along with some counselling/addiction support. Then made a comeback; do you think people would give him another chance?
I have a motto in life... give people a second chance, but never a third. I'd be willing to give him a second chance if he did something different/productive/positive.
But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Somebody should start a "Throw things at Geoff Tate" campaign.
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That interview was awesome. Finally, someone who had the balls to call him out on his bull shit, instead of kissing his ass. *cough* Eddie Trunk *cough*
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Honestly, what do you guys think Tate could do to repair this damage? Is it even possible? What if he made a public apology to his fans and ex bandmates; took a long break where he worked on his voice along with some counselling/addiction support. Then made a comeback; do you think people would give him another chance?
If he were making music that was good and relevant, I'd give him a chance.
But he'll never do that.
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This is getting really sad. I was amused by the whole controversy in the past couple of months, but now I seriously feel sorry for Geoff. It's truly painful to see someone being so incredibly delusional, obstinate and impolite, whereas he could have been one of our heroes had he taken care of his music and image. Even the interviewers are starting to give him a hard time, and it's only a matter of time before the fans turn their backs on him - I'm still wondering who's attending those concerts.
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This is getting really sad. I was amused by the whole controversy in the past couple of months, but now I seriously feel sorry for Geoff. It's truly painful to see someone being so incredibly delusional, obstinate and impolite, whereas he could have been one of our heroes had he taken care of his music and image. Even the interviewers are starting to give him a hard time, and it's only a matter of time before the fans turn their backs on him - I'm still wondering who's attending those concerts.
Pretty much all this. In the beginning I was keeping up with this for my own genuine pleasure. Now it's kind of like watching an old, dying decrepit man crawl his way out of some poop hole. But you know that this old, dusty man was once a big shot and a real badass, but he turned into some insane, ass-backwards, delusional dill-hole, so you just kinda watch him crawl out of said poop hole and slowly walk away, trying to forget you saw it at all.
...is how I feel watching this guy. It's still kinda funny, but mostly just sad and gross. Someone needs to put this man out of his professional-music-career-misery
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I think Geoff is beyond the point of no return. I gave him a second chance with FU, and he let me down, again.
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Geoff Tate: 'I Don’t Want to Be in a Band Anymore'
"I've spent the majority of my career waiting for the guys in the band to write, or to come up with songs, or to be ready to write, or to be done with going to the dentist so they can come to rehearsal, and that kind of thing, and I'm just done with that now; I don't need to have to worry about that, so I can put out records at my own pace."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/wtf/geoff_tate_i_dont_want_to_be_in_a_band_anymore.html
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^^^ So does that mean Tate doesn't want the Queensryche name anymore? Good! :tup
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My favorite comment from that article...
"It's ok, Geoff. Bands don't want you to be in them either."
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Geoff Tate: 'I Don’t Want to Be in a Band Anymore'
"I've spent the majority of my career waiting for the guys in the band to write, or to come up with songs, or to be ready to write, or to be done with going to the dentist so they can come to rehearsal, and that kind of thing, and I'm just done with that now; I don't need to have to worry about that, so I can put out records at my own pace."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/wtf/geoff_tate_i_dont_want_to_be_in_a_band_anymore.html
Damn musicians, always going to the dentist. Hell, if I was in a band with Tate I'd wouldn't want to leave the dentist to go to rehearsal. And that's saying something.
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Is Geoff just laying the groundwork at this point because he knows he isn't likely to get the QR name?
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Geoff Tate: 'I Don’t Want to Be in a Band Anymore'
"I've spent the majority of my career waiting for the guys in the band to write, or to come up with songs, or to be ready to write, or to be done with going to the dentist so they can come to rehearsal, and that kind of thing, and I'm just done with that now; I don't need to have to worry about that, so I can put out records at my own pace."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/wtf/geoff_tate_i_dont_want_to_be_in_a_band_anymore.html
Sounds like a win-win situation. Geoff is happier without Queensryche and the rest of the world is happy to have Queensryche without him.
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Given the turn over in his version of QR, hasn't he already gotten his wish about not being in a band anymore?
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Is Geoff just laying the groundwork at this point because he knows he isn't likely to get the QR name?
That was the first thought that came to my head.
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191150
Regarding the recent phone-throwing incident, Tate says at about the 33-minute mark: "It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
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There needs to be an intervention with Geoff. But it obviously can't include the usual hanger ons.
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191150
Regarding the recent phone-throwing incident, Tate says at about the 33-minute mark: "It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
Dropped it 10 rows back? :lol Bullshit.
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191150
Regarding the recent phone-throwing incident, Tate says at about the 33-minute mark: "It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
He must be joking. He has to be joking. he's an arrogant prick making a sarcastic arrogant prick joke.
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191150
Regarding the recent phone-throwing incident, Tate says at about the 33-minute mark: "It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
Wow, just wow!! Just when you think this guy can't sink any lower, he says this!
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191150
Regarding the recent phone-throwing incident, Tate says at about the 33-minute mark: "It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
How does HE take a picture of YOU, when YOU have HIS phone/camera?!?! Love how he plays it so nonchalant by saying 'I'd forgotten about it until my daughter told me about it last night'. :lol
Oh god... I actually listened to the latter end of the interview, and the song "In the Hands of God". It wasn't nearly as terrible as I was expecting, but it still did suck.
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The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it.
That's an interesting way of describing snatching a phone out of someone's hand, turning your back on them, walking a few paces then throwing it over your shoulder aimlessly into the crowd.
The man's an out-and-out liar.
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https://www.bigmusicgeek.com/queensrycheinterview.html
;D
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There is already a Geoff Tate thread that is fairly recent. Please use the search function and post in appropriate already-existing topics before starting a new one. Thanks.
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There is already a Geoff Tate thread that is fairly recent. Please use the search function and post in appropriate already-existing topics before starting a new one. Thanks.
My apologies! I also accidentally posted this in the 'General Discussion' forum. My bad!
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I took care of it.
Also, FYI, it's a somewhat old interview.
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QUEENSRŸCHE singer Geoff Tate was interviewed on this past weekend's edition of "The Classic Metal Show", which is heard live on Saturdays from 9 p.m. to 3 a.m. EST at TheClassicMetalShow.com.
On the upcoming QUEENSRŸCHE court case in November:
Tate: "What we're doing in November is we're dissolving our corporation. And that's really what this whole court case is about. It has nothing to do with music, it has nothing to do with 'he said, she said,' it's just dissolving the corporations and paying off the members of the corporation, and who has the money to buy it will buy it. Whoever has the most money to buy will get it. [laughs] It's as simple as that.
"In a sense, there will be one QUEENSRŸCHE [after the court case in November], whether that's a band… we don't know. It's a brand; it's what it is. It's a name that has value, and so that brand has to be purchased by an individual, or groups of indivudals. So that's where it's at… It's rules and regulations that are established by the state and the federal government on how to dissolve corporations. It's all regulated, it's a paint-by-numbers kind of thing. And that's what's so ridiculous about all the debate about this. It doesn't have any sway; it doesn't have anything to do with the case at all. [laughs] All it did was create publicity, which QUEENSRŸCHE hasn't had in years. And I've gotta tell you, Gene Simmons [KISS] was right [when he said] 'Any publicity is good publicity.' 'Cause we've had more sellouts on this QUEENSRŸCHE run that I've done than QUEENSRŸCHE has had in ten years."
On the May 17 incident in St. Charles, Illinois where he took a cell phone from one of the audience members and threw it behind him into the crowd (see video below):
Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense. And that particular situation, I grabbed the guy's phone, took a picture and tossed it back to him, but he missed it 'cause the lights were in his eyes. And he was actually in our meet-and-greet after the show. And we were laughing about it. I said, 'Oh, man. I'm sorry. Did your phone get damaged?' And he said, 'Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.' Which was really funny. But because we're in this court case, and there's a group of people that are interested in trying to create sides, they just ran with this thing and tried to make me look bad, and I don't think I look bad at all. My God. No big deal. The guy was laughing, we were happy and we had drinks backstage."
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On the May 17 incident in St. Charles, Illinois where he took a cell phone from one of the audience members and threw it behind him into the crowd (see video below):
Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense. And that particular situation, I grabbed the guy's phone, took a picture and tossed it back to him, but he missed it 'cause the lights were in his eyes. And he was actually in our meet-and-greet after the show. And we were laughing about it. I said, 'Oh, man. I'm sorry. Did your phone get damaged?' And he said, 'Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.' Which was really funny.
You know what would be really funny indeed? If the owner of the cellphone in question came out on the internet and said "nope, sorry, it wasn't like that."
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I would definitely like to hear from the dude. But what he says and then watching the video, proves he's a fucking liar and full of shit.
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On the May 17 incident in St. Charles, Illinois where he took a cell phone from one of the audience members and threw it behind him into the crowd (see video below):
Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense. And that particular situation, I grabbed the guy's phone, took a picture and tossed it back to him, but he missed it 'cause the lights were in his eyes. And he was actually in our meet-and-greet after the show. And we were laughing about it. I said, 'Oh, man. I'm sorry. Did your phone get damaged?' And he said, 'Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.' Which was really funny.
Geoff Tate, wannabe propaganda master.
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On the May 17 incident in St. Charles, Illinois where he took a cell phone from one of the audience members and threw it behind him into the crowd (see video below):
Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense. And that particular situation, I grabbed the guy's phone, took a picture and tossed it back to him, but he missed it 'cause the lights were in his eyes. And he was actually in our meet-and-greet after the show. And we were laughing about it. I said, 'Oh, man. I'm sorry. Did your phone get damaged?' And he said, 'Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.' Which was really funny. But because we're in this court case, and there's a group of people that are interested in trying to create sides, they just ran with this thing and tried to make me look bad, and I don't think I look bad at all. My God. No big deal. The guy was laughing, we were happy and we had drinks backstage."
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I would have a lot more respect for him if he just came out and said "you know what, I hate when people shove a camera in my face while I'm trying to perform, so I fucking threw it, end of story" rather than blatantly and rather poorly try and lie about something everybody saw with their own eyes on video.
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Aren't meet-and-greets usually before the shows? What a poor liar... :lol
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I would have a lot more respect for him if he just came out and said "you know what, I hate when people shove a camera in my face while I'm trying to perform, so I fucking threw it, end of story" rather than blatantly and rather poorly try and lie about something everybody saw with their own eyes on video.
This. Respect goes down so much for people that just try to cover up and blatantly lie about it. be a man, admit it.
Aren't meet-and-greets usually before the shows? What a poor liar... :lol
Yeah, and the guy would have had to said to Tate that it was him and his phone that he threw. Why would he mention it to Tate if he didn't care and thought it was perfectly fine. What a joke.
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And I've gotta tell you, Gene Simmons [KISS] was right [when he said] 'Any publicity is good publicity.' 'Cause we've had more sellouts on this QUEENSRŸCHE run that I've done than QUEENSRŸCHE has had in ten years."
More spin. Did he mention that a lot of those "sellouts" are in much smaller venues than Queensryche had ever played? Did he mention that it is obvious that many of those "sellouts" are because tickets were given away in droves at the last minute, and people still didn't actually come to the shows, as evidenced by the rows of empty seats and the empty spaces on the floors? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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On the May 17 incident in St. Charles, Illinois where he took a cell phone from one of the audience members and threw it behind him into the crowd (see video below):
Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense. And that particular situation, I grabbed the guy's phone, took a picture and tossed it back to him, but he missed it 'cause the lights were in his eyes. And he was actually in our meet-and-greet after the show. And we were laughing about it. I said, 'Oh, man. I'm sorry. Did your phone get damaged?' And he said, 'Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.' Which was really funny. But because we're in this court case, and there's a group of people that are interested in trying to create sides, they just ran with this thing and tried to make me look bad, and I don't think I look bad at all. My God. No big deal. The guy was laughing, we were happy and we had drinks backstage."[/i]
His story has changed from this earlier interview...
"It happens all the time... The guy was standing in the front row with a camera in my face, and I took the camera and I was trying to flick it around and take a picture of him taking a picture of me, and I dropped it. But who knows how it was all videotaped, cut up and edited... Everything I do these days seems to be scrutinized."
You'd think the first time he was interviewed he would have said the guy was fine with it. So the first time he tries to blame people for "editing" a video. Now he is saying that the fan was OK with it. Both of these explanations are way over the top of the BS meter.
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:lol Unreal.
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Please stop Geoff, please
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Please stop Geoff, please
No Geoff, please go on. Every time I see a new post on this thread I get excited to read the news.
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Kinda agree. It is entertaining. :corn
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This reminds me of when George Costanza once told Jerry Seinfeld:
"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."
I think Tate is so delusional and out of touch now, that he actually believes the crap that comes out of his mouth.
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Geoff is an idiot and yeah, this is now just pure entertainment. When he opens his mouth, Geoff is sliding down a shit rope into a shit storm. Then he is getting swarmed by a group of shit hawks.
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Tate: "That happens a lot. In the frenzy of a concert, there's all kind of activity that happens with the front row. It's a metal show, it's rough, it's chaotic, it's intense.
Wait. Metal show? Was he talking about his permutation of Queensryche? "Metal show?"
Come to think of it, chaotic and intense? That doesn't sound right either.
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Im sure next time he"ll say the fan threw the phone at him and him throwing the phone in the crowd was justified.
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Um, really?
(https://geofftate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/rock_and_vaudeville.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Damn, I killed this thread ages ago. Time flies.
lol Geoff Tate
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Oh dear... so local, so tempting....
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Chris, I know we don't know each other off line, so it's hard to say that you truly are a "friend" in the normal sense of the word. But still, I've known you online long enough and have a high enough regard for you that I cannot let you do it. I'll stage an intervention if I need to. But as someone who cares for your wellbeing, I simply cannot, under any circumstances, allow you to do that to yourself. DON'T DO IT, MAN!
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It looks like he's wearing overalls in that pic.
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This court case has to be coming up in the next few weeks.
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DON'T DO IT, MAN!
It was more a case of me.... volunteering... myself for the duty of attending this massacre and reporting back to the forum.
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DON'T DO IT, MAN!
It was more a case of me.... volunteering... myself for the duty of attending this massacre and reporting back to the forum.
It's not worth it.
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DON'T DO IT, MAN!
It was more a case of me.... volunteering... myself for the duty of attending this massacre and reporting back to the forum.
It's not worth it.
I disagree.
DO IT. FEED US WITH YOUR PAIN AND SUFFERING.
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DON'T DO IT, MAN!
It was more a case of me.... volunteering... myself for the duty of attending this massacre and reporting back to the forum.
It's not worth it.
I'm with Bosk and Wolf on this one, man. Don't do it. There will be videos of it on YouTube, I'm sure. There always are.
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Well, if its anything like this, then I've got to get tickets immediately...
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/88957265/Geoff+Tates+Queensrche+Cabaret.jpg)
not.
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Worst album of the year?
Yeah probably.
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Worst album of the year?
Yeah probably.
Definitely. With Timo Tolkki's album a close second.
That pic, it's just....not cool.
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You shouldn't be posting satanic pictures on Christmas day. Please!
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new clips for Tate's new project. enjoy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOEL6Ic1XsI&feature=youtu.be
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new clips for Tate's new project. enjoy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOEL6Ic1XsI&feature=youtu.be
Unlike D2C and what I heard of FU, I honestly don't dislike much of what I am hearing instrumentally. But as has been the case for quite some time, unfortunately, once the vocals come in, they ruin it. Not only has Geoff lost the ability to sing, but the vocal melodies are mostly just uninteresting.
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Thread title also changed to reflect his band name now that he is no longer posing as Queensryche.
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new clips for Tate's new project. enjoy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOEL6Ic1XsI&feature=youtu.be
It's just bland and boring and as bosk said, the melodies just offer nothing. Sounds like it could be an improvement on FU, but nothing that should have the Operation Mindcrime name on it. The production sounds awful like FU too.
Saying that, I'll give it a listen when it comes out. Tate looks like an idiot in that pic too.
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Saying that, I'll give it a listen when it comes out. Tate looks like an idiot in that pic too.
Seeing this just warms my caukles. I'm so looking forward to a Costanza-voicemail-rage post again. That post was the thing of legends. It was gold... GOLD I TELL YA!
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Meh
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Saying that, I'll give it a listen when it comes out. Tate looks like an idiot in that pic too.
Seeing this just warms my caukles. I'm so looking forward to a Costanza-voicemail-rage post again. That post was the thing of legends. It was gold... GOLD I TELL YA!
:lol Thanks bro.
I don't think you'll get anything quite like that as I was so mad with FU because I actually purchased it first. I don't do that much anymore and Tate will certainly not be getting any of my hard earned cash. If I'm in the moment though with this new one, anything is possible.
Wasting $20 on that FU drink coaster just made me so damn mad. I haven't even bothered with it again after that single listen.
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An FU coaster isn't even qualified to hold my beer!
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An FU coaster isn't even qualified to hold my beer!
:rollin
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Thank goodness this isn't the new Queensryche release
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How the fuck can I listen to those samples with HIM looking at me like that?!
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Just pretend it's Kip.
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Geoff seems to have a fascination with muppets. First Bunsen, now Bert.
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Just pretend it's Kip.
That's not even funny. I mean it is...but it's not! :lol
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Just pretend it's Kip.
That's not even funny. I mean it is...but it's not! :lol
I know, right? :lol
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Geoff seems to have a fascination with muppets. First Bunsen, now Bert.
:rollin HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I was trying to work out what the hair looks like, that's fucking it haha.
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Just pretend it's Kip.
That's not even funny. I mean it is...but it's not! :lol
I lol'd.
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Me too.
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Just pretend it's Kip.
That's not even funny. I mean it is...but it's not! :lol
Another scab opened. :lol
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Operation Mingcrime
(https://s16.postimg.org/pskg7na51/ming.jpg)
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It's like Tate's decided to take back the "sounds like a muppet" criticism by making himself look exactly like one.
The best part of the clip is the bit with someone else singing. Overall it's ok, better than I expected to be fair, but as with the last few releases he's worked on the vocals sound like the weakest part.
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Unbelievable. So this is what happens to a mind when an ego gets so full of itself it has nowhere to go but get bloated.
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Call me crazy but that six min clip of song samples actually sounded pretty good to me. I might actually listen to the album when it comes out.
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There was certainly moments where the music was decent. I don't know if it is because of how it was mixed or produced, but it felt like something from the Q2K days. Not a fan of the sound, feels too compressed. Not bad but definitely gave me the feeling of "i think i've heard this before". And of course, the vocals sound completely bland. I'm not sure if Tate is even capable to convey emotion anymore.
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I think Geoff still has a decent voice for his age but most of the time he just sounds like he just doesn't give a shit. It's like he's been on auto pilot for the last few years.
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Am I the only one who's amused to hear double bass drumming on a new song by Mr. I-Hate-Metal? :P
On a serious note, the music in that video didn't sound like crap, but Tate is easily the weakest link and it sounds like he barely cares. Also, I'm not a superficial person, but that hairdo looks embarrassing! :lol
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(https://listentome.net/muppetscooter.gif)
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I can't really tell too much for the clips. I like the opening where he's talking/typing into the computer and the album cover with the pen drive necklace is kinda cool. It at least shows that GT put some thought into this concept, as opposed to talking about his penis and making love to his wife, etc.
I'm a little confused by his new look with the odd hairdo and velvet suit though. It's a little scary looking, but maybe that's what he's going for. I'm also looking forward to some GT interviews promoting the new album. GT interviews are always "fun," lol.
Also, a 7-member band AND guest appearances on the album? I can't imagine this album/tour selling enough to support a band of that size.
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Awesome!
Bert sings better!
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you win.
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I'm really trying to be open minded but I agree with Bosk. It's decent music that may sink in better after multiple listens but vocally
it's just not up to par for me. And the problem is that he was such an amazing voice for all those years that when you compare it
to his prime it's almost like a totally different person. He just doesn't have the talent any longer. Maybe I'll buy it...maybe I won't.
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I went in to that listen fairly optimistic after some positive comments but that was as fucking awful as everything Tate has touched in the last ten years. The vocal lines are bland, the singing woeful, the music could be any third rate band from fifteen years ago.
Thank god for Todd latorre.
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If this was a QR release, I not only wouldn't buy it, but I wouldnt even listen to it.
Instead, I'm looking forward to October when QR releases their new album.
Brilliant decision to let Tate go.
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Brilliant decision to let Tate go.
Just took too damn long.
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Brilliant decision to let Tate go.
Just took too damn long.
I'm sure they wanted to before it happened, but they were just bracing for the shit storm.
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I just think they lacked leadership within the group. They had a meal ticket, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth it.
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Yeah, that is the case for sure. I think they probably thought they couldn't even go on without Geoff, but finally got to a point where they felt they had nothing to lose because the dynamic had gotten so bad and the band name had been brought so low.
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you win.
I didn't make it, but thanks! :lol
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After hearing those samples a couple more times I really don't know how a label could sign him. His vocals are gone.
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After hearing those samples a couple more times I really don't know how a label could sign him. His vocals are gone.
Frontiers are getting pretty lenient lately.
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new video out.
I actually like this song more than the new QR, most likely because he rips off original Mindcrime songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX7lRZmt8Hw
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That is a pretty decent song , if a bit derivative of older material - Tate's voice ain't what it used to be , but the song is fine . I doubt that is representative of the whole album though.
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Shocking. I expected to HATE it and I actually like it.
Wow.
I'm confused
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Is that John Moyer on bass?
So he left AdMob for This?
I guess that MIGHT be a step up.
Edit: Yep it's him according to Wikipedia.
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Moyer is also in Scott Weiland's band Art of Anarchy. I think he likes Tate. I met him at an A-Mob autograph signing/acoustic show last year and I asked him his thoughts about Tate. He spoke glowingly of him and said he's not a douche at all, or something along those lines, lol. I forget his exact words.
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Moyer is also in Scott Weiland's band Art of Anarchy. I think he likes Tate. I met him at an A-Mob autograph signing/acoustic show last year and I asked him his thoughts about Tate. He spoke glowingly of him and said he's not a douche at all, or something along those lines. I forget his exact words.
Maybe it was already in the works for him to join. Though I thought I just heard that Disturbed were about to write another album/get together and do some work so it seems odd for Moyer to be over in Tates camp when his big payday is cooking up new stuff.
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The new music video Re-Inventing the Future is not all that bad.
I'm starting to come to the conclusion that they kind of need each other musically. The QR band is old school QR. Not just prime era old school, but the pre and beginning of the prime. Tate seems to be the post-prime QR era, but when they truly work together you get the mix of the two that gives the true prime era. The problem is that they weren't together even when they were together. It strikes me as odd that Tate seems to be making the effort to go more back to that prime post-separation, when doing that pre-separation might have stopped the separation (and end of years decline) altogether.
It is kind of showing that had they not found each other, they might have just been another good but not great band.
This is of course disregarding the importance of DeGarmo completely, but that isn't an option so why dwell on it.
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The new music video Re-Inventing the Future is not all that bad.
I'm starting to come to the conclusion that they kind of need each other musically. The QR band is old school QR. Not just prime era old school, but the pre and beginning of the prime. Tate seems to be the post-prime QR era, but when they truly work together you get the mix of the two that gives the true prime era. The problem is that they weren't together even when they were together. It strikes me as odd that Tate seems to be making the effort to go more back to that prime post-separation, when doing that pre-separation might have stopped the separation (and end of years decline) altogether.
It is kind of showing that had they not found each other, they might have just been another good but not great band.
This is of course disregarding the importance of DeGarmo completely, but that isn't an option so why dwell on it.
I have to disagree; the fact of the matter is that Tate isn't really interested in making the sort of music that Queensryche fans want. At this point, he's just doing it out of necessity.
I'm willing to wait and see what the actual QR bring us on the new album, because I saw a lot of potential on the s/t album two years ago. There's no way that they'll be exactly like the Queensryche of old, but I think they can evolve into a band that's still really great and musically consistent (i.e. Andi Deris-era Helloween).
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Shocking. I expected to HATE it and I actually like it.
Wow.
I'm confused
This is the way I feel as well. It's kind of sad to think that the potential for him to make at least listenable music has been there for these last several years, but he chose to take a different path.
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that is actually a pretty good song.
way better then i expected
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that is actually a pretty good song.
way better then i expected
Of course it is; it's basically a combination of The Mission and Eyes of a Stranger musically. The vocals are still pretty weak though.
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I have to disagree; the fact of the matter is that Tate isn't really interested in making the sort of music that Queensryche fans want. At this point, he's just doing it out of necessity.
I'm with you. It's hard to know what Geoff is really interested in and what he isn't, because he is so inconsistent in what he says from moment to moment, and he constantly revises his own history. You never even know when he is somewhat telling the truth anymore. But he has demonstrated through his words and his actions that he isn't really interested in making the music that Queensryche fans generally want, as you said. But if he was painted into a corner before, he is even moreso now. He has to somewhat cater to the sound the fans expect if he wants to eat.
As far as the song itself, there is a lot that I am surprised to say that I like. Instrumentally, I like it a LOT. I listened a couple of times and tried to focus on what each instrument was doing, and there is a lot that is interesting and sounds great. The melodies are interesting and just sound...well, good. The guitar work, including Kelly's solo, is solid. I like the bass groove. The keyboards added some nice atmosphere in the background. And this is really the first time I have heard Simon be able to kind of do his own thing and be a bit creative on drums, and I like what I heard there as well (assuming it is him playing on the studio track--given Geoff's M.O. the past few albums, I do not want to assume). I really wonder who wrote the music. I am not sure if Slater is still doing the lion's share, if the band is writing, or if Geoff is using other outside writers. But this isn't bad at all.
Then we move on to the vocals... I like the bridge and chorus a lot. But another way of saying that is, I like the parts of the song that everyone NOT named Geoff Tate are singing. The melodies on the chorus and bridge sound pretty good. The lead on the verse is typically flat, uninteresting 2000s Geoff Tate, sadly. And his voice sounds as burned out and strained as ever. He sounds a bit better than on D2C and FU. I would probably say his voice sounds about as it did in the American Soldier era. But the problem is, even that level is just...not good. It's a studio recording, for crying out loud! If he can't manage to sound any better in studio with everything a studio environment provides, then the man really should hang it up. He is singing from the throat and just sounds so thin and strained. Ugh. As has sadly been the case for too long, Geoff Tate is the weakest link in his own music. Sad.
I'm willing to wait and see what the actual QR bring us on the new album, because I saw a lot of potential on the s/t album two years ago. There's no way that they'll be exactly like the Queensryche of old, but I think they can evolve into a band that's still really great and musically consistent (i.e. Andi Deris-era Helloween).
I lost faith a while ago. The last album was really good, despite some flaws in writing. But the band has done far too little for far too long. I just don't know if they have it in them. If we get something good, that's terrific. But I'm not holding my breath. I've sort of moved on.
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One thing I don't get, Tate ranted about how he wanted to move on from QR and "push the limits" etc, then he releases essentially a huge rip-off of QR's classic sound?
He's only pandering to sell copies and gain support. I'm sure Frontiers had a heavy hand in this as well.
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He's only pandering to sell copies and gain support.
:lol You just now noticed?
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He's only pandering to sell copies and gain support.
:lol You just now noticed?
Hmm, no. But in light of the positive vibes and reviews this song has gotten... definitely. I haven't paid much attention to the man since he was kicked out of the band!
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I'm sure Frontiers had a heavy hand in this as well.
I think you're right -no way Serafino gave Tate full creative license. They want to make money off the Mindcrime name and if it sounded like Dedicated to Cabaret then it'd be a waste of everyone's time and money.
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This song should be named Re-Inventing The Past because it is blatantly ripping off Operation Mindcrime, as someone already said it is very reminiscent of The Mission and Eyes Of A Stranger.
That said, this song isn't bad, it's actually quite decent if not for the flat vocals. I can understand that Tate is not going for the high vocals anymore, but his singing is totally devoid of any feeling and emotion.
I wonder who wrote that song, Tate probably claims 81%, but this sound like someone (Frontiers?) hired some guys with the task to write songs that are listenable and sound like OM.
And what's with the hair, is this tacked on or implanted? ;D
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Hmmm....This is a surprise and already better than anything from FU. You can hear he's really tried to re-write OM songs, but it's still better than what he was coming up with. His vocals are piss weak though and bring the song down a bit IMO, but I might check this out.
And yes, Frontiers definitely would have had big input as to what the band put out. Good thing they didn't get Tolkki to write it. :lol Saying that about Tate is sad on Tolkki's part.
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My reaction:
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J/k, it's surprisingly good, but also smells like a calculated attempt at winning over the fans who turned their backs on Tate and making them think the whole album will sound like classic QR.
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I have to disagree; the fact of the matter is that Tate isn't really interested in making the sort of music that Queensryche fans want. At this point, he's just doing it out of necessity.
But he's doing it. That's the whole point. Who cares what the motivations are. If my motivation is to write an album that will reproduce a top selling artist, it doesn't mean I can do it. And we are talking about somebody that was there during QR's prime. So I can't call it mimic work.
And my point was the QR sans Tate releases are good, but missing something. Tate sans QR is good, but missing something. They are missing the chemistry they get working together. They don't have to work together considering the history, but it seems to be hurting them by not doing so.
This is all musically speaking. The fact that Tate could do this all this time only makes the fact that he wouldn't when he had "the QR" guys actually makes him more of a Taint.
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I have to disagree; the fact of the matter is that Tate isn't really interested in making the sort of music that Queensryche fans want. At this point, he's just doing it out of necessity.
But he's doing it. That's the whole point. Who cares what the motivations are. If my motivation is to write an album that will reproduce a top selling artist, it doesn't mean I can do it. And we are talking about somebody that was there during QR's prime. So I can't call it mimic work.
And my point was the QR sans Tate releases are good, but missing something. Tate sans QR is good, but missing something. They are missing the chemistry they get working together. They don't have to work together considering the history, but it seems to be hurting them by not doing so.
This is all musically speaking. The fact that Tate could do this all this time only makes the fact that he wouldn't when he had "the QR" guys actually makes him more of a Taint.
I might have missed something earlier, but their output since PL has suffered because of this. Working together has obviously hurt the rest of the band's output and the last QR album showed this.
Tate's voice won't work on QR's new material which is fresh solid, powerful and sees the band actually enjoying what they are doing again.
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I have to disagree; the fact of the matter is that Tate isn't really interested in making the sort of music that Queensryche fans want. At this point, he's just doing it out of necessity.
But he's doing it. That's the whole point. Who cares what the motivations are. If my motivation is to write an album that will reproduce a top selling artist, it doesn't mean I can do it. And we are talking about somebody that was there during QR's prime. So I can't call it mimic work.
And my point was the QR sans Tate releases are good, but missing something. Tate sans QR is good, but missing something. They are missing the chemistry they get working together. They don't have to work together considering the history, but it seems to be hurting them by not doing so.
This is all musically speaking. The fact that Tate could do this all this time only makes the fact that he wouldn't when he had "the QR" guys actually makes him more of a Taint.
I might have missed something earlier, but their output since PL has suffered because of this. Working together has obviously hurt the rest of the band's output and the last QR album showed this.
Tate's voice won't work on QR's new material which is fresh solid, powerful and sees the band actually enjoying what they are doing again.
Exactly. Working together with Tate isn't the answer for the QR, because he had absolutely no interest in doing so to begin with. Hell, they even tried to get a reunion with DeGarmo going back during Tribe and Tate seemingly ended up driving him away for good too.
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From 301 views yesterday when I first checked it out to almost 25K at 9:45 est.
Not bad. I had lost all hope for this guy. IF...if this album is on par with this song I will buy it for sure even though I think he is
a rotten human being.
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I'm shocked. It's actually listenable....(but then, I liked half of OM:2) :blush
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I'm shocked. It's actually listenable....(but then, I liked half of OM:2) :blush
Hey, there was actually a pretty good portion of Slatercrime2 that was really good.
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It makes sense the music is influenced by OM. After all, the band is called Operation: Mindcrime. Which makes me laugh how people are about the single having OM's likeness
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I think his vocals on this song sound better then anything since OM:2
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I'm shocked. It's actually listenable....(but then, I liked half of OM:2) :blush
Hey, there was actually a pretty good portion of Slatercrime2 that was really good.
I agree. Been ages since I have listened, but other than the shitty idea of making a Part 2, I never thought it embarrassingly sucked.
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Up until The Chase, it is actually quite good. Then we get to The Chase, and...er, what? Thankfully, Murderer? puts the listener's mind back at ease. But then...we have the last half of the album, unfortunately, which DOES embarrassingly suck (with a couple of exceptions).
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It makes sense the music is influenced by OM. After all, the band is called Operation: Mindcrime. Which makes me laugh how people are about the single having OM's likeness
On some level it makes sense but that isn't why I'm laughing.
First: I think it isn't only influenced by OM it is kinda ripped off and second: Tate was always about doing his own thing and not caring what the masses want, artistic freedom etc. bla bla bla. And then he writes (or hires writers who write) exactly the songs where probably the most money lies. I call hypocrite.
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Up until The Chase, it is actually quite good. Then we get to The Chase, and...er, what? Thankfully, Murderer? puts the listener's mind back at ease. But then...we have the last half of the album, unfortunately, which DOES embarrassingly suck (with a couple of exceptions).
I pretty much agree with this. I totally get lost during that second half.
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I just remember thinking: ´wait...This was the ending?´ ???
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First: I think it isn't only influenced by OM it is kinda ripped off and second
It's got to be intentional though. Even the drum fills 2/3 of the way through the song are obviously re-purposed from the ones at the end of Eyes Of A Stranger.
I'm not against the idea of them doing this, but it leaves a little bit of a sour taste when it's in the song they chose as the first one for everyone to hear.
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Apparently he already finished recording the second album and is almost done recording the third album......
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-has-already-finished-recording-second-operation-mindcrime-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-has-already-finished-recording-second-operation-mindcrime-album/)
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He said everything should be completely done by October
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Great. I wonder if anyone out there are seriously going to buy this, surely sales would be poor.
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Just listening to this right now on Spotify. And you know what....it's really not that bad. Geoffs vocals are mostly just spoken and the lyrics aren't great but i'm really liking a lot of the instrumental work.
Some songs like Burn and the Stranger just chug along but then there are a few other songs that are quite catchy and flow really nicely with some relatively cool progressive moments. So far a hell of a lot better than the last few Tate records under the QR name. Should certainly keep his fans happy anyway.
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Totally forgot this came out today. I'll have to check it out. How are the lyrics/concept striking you so far?
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Not sure. Will need a few more spins to form an opinion I think :-\
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Started off alright but soon became shit about halfway through. Not a decent riff on the whole thing and the only decent vocal track is sung by the guest. It's more of the same from Tate and his cronies but at least it's better produced.
The same talking approach on every song gets old fast. I bet they thought these songs were great before they put vocals on them. It's one paced and not really up to much.
Better than recent Tate efforts, yes, but only ok.
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Started off alright but soon became shit about halfway through. Not a decent riff on the whole thing and the only decent vocal track is sung by the guest. It's more of the same from Tate and his cronies but at least it's better produced.
The same talking approach on every song gets old fast. I bet they thought these songs were great before they put vocals on them. It's one paced and not really up to much.
Better than recent Tate efforts, yes, but only ok.
I will still say that Re Inventing the Future is a great song.
After I heard "The Stranger", I had no desire to hear anything else whatsoever from the disc.
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I'll have a listen online but there's no way I'll be purchasing this. Still dirty about the money I wasted on FU.
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Started off alright but soon became shit about halfway through. Not a decent riff on the whole thing and the only decent vocal track is sung by the guest. It's more of the same from Tate and his cronies but at least it's better produced.
The same talking approach on every song gets old fast. I bet they thought these songs were great before they put vocals on them. It's one paced and not really up to much.
Better than recent Tate efforts, yes, but only ok.
I will still say that Re Inventing the Future is a great song.
After I heard "The Stranger", I had no desire to hear anything else whatsoever from the disc.
Unfortunately much of it sounds like the stranger..talking Tate. I remember when he used to be a singer. And a bloody great one.
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yeesh, no thanks
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Why do you guys even bother? Tate and Tolkki are on my automatic DO NOT LISTEN TO list.
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Why do you guys even bother? Tate and Tolkki are on my automatic DO NOT LISTEN TO list.
It's like when you drive by a car crash - you've got to look even though you know you won't like what you see. And the first single was ok. But yeah, best track is the one Tate doesn't talk on.
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Why do you guys even bother? Tate and Tolkki are on my automatic DO NOT LISTEN TO list.
Your worlds would explode if they ever did an album together
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Why do you guys even bother? Tate and Tolkki are on my automatic DO NOT LISTEN TO list.
Exactly. You guys are like a bunch of damn junkies!
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If he had only released the first song I might have been tempted to buy it but then he released the stranger and lost me completely.
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The music of Stranger is pretty cool overall. Reminds me of RATM a little bit, idk if anyone else hears it - i was never a fan of theirs so I imagine that this could be a song of theirs. Somewhat.
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mr.com gave this album 45%. Shit it must be crap. :lol
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mr.com gave this album 45%. Shit it must be crap. :lol
Pretty fair comment. Started well - went predictably shit pretty damn quick.
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It´s better than i expected :lol
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It´s better than i expected :lol
One decent song?
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I'll be curious to see the sales comparisons between The Key and Condition Human.
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It´s better than i expected :lol
One decent song?
maybe 3 or 4...i was expecting nothing, so... :lol
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who cares
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It´s better than i expected :lol
One decent song?
2-3. Nothing that would drag me back to it for more Tate-talk.
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So Reinventing the Future was a fluke then?
Even Reinventing the Future wasn't great. It was just so much better than what he had been putting out, so it showed promise. But I guess he held the other cards (songs) close to the vest.
Poor Geoff.
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mr.com gave this album 45%. Shit it must be crap. :lol
Pretty fair comment. Started well - went predictably shit pretty damn quick.
Same as FU.
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I'm having a listen to this one right now. Half way through and it's boring as bat shit but I gotta say, it's a lot better than FU if I remember it correctly. Re-Inventing the Future is actually pretty good.
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I'm having a listen to this one right now. Half way through and it's boring as bat shit but I gotta say, it's a lot better than FU if I remember it correctly. Re-Inventing the Future is actually pretty good.
A bat shit review is never good for business.
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Does anyone know how to find sales figures? Just curious where the first-week sales were compared to other QR albums.
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No matter what they are, I'll bet Geoff himself bought 81% of the figure....
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Are there people that are enjoying this album but too afraid to speak up? Or was Reinventing the Future the best thing Tate has written in the 21st century?
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The rest of the album is crap. Re-Inventing the Future is a good song, but is pointless when covered in a pile of shit.
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The rest of the album is crap. Re-Inventing the Future is a good song, but is pointless when covered in a pile of shit.
he needs to get Blackie to serve it up to you for him.
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I can only imagine that the sales figure will be horrible.
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The rest of the album is crap. Re-Inventing the Future is a good song, but is pointless when covered in a pile of shit.
he needs to get Blackie to serve it up to you for him.
Even my man Blackie could make this turd appealing. :lol
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I'm having a listen to this one right now. Half way through and it's boring as bat shit but I gotta say, it's a lot better than FU if I remember it correctly. Re-Inventing the Future is actually pretty good.
I am very disappointed in the lack of detail in your review. I want the same kind of passion you put into you FU review. Gotta go find that post. That's quite possibly the single greatest post I've ever read at DTF.
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I'm having a listen to this one right now. Half way through and it's boring as bat shit but I gotta say, it's a lot better than FU if I remember it correctly. Re-Inventing the Future is actually pretty good.
I am very disappointed in the lack of detail in your review. I want the same kind of passion you put into you FU review. Gotta go find that post. That's quite possibly the single greatest post I've ever read at DTF.
To be fair there was a lot of inspiration for the post :biggrin:
It was right on the money tho.
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Yup... I'm in tears I'm laughing so hard. This is pure gold. Never gets old either.
Okay, as I made it known I quite liked Cold and said that I would buy the money and see what we get, mainly for the guest spots. I also didn't mind a few songs from Tate's last solo cd. So, I received the album in the mails after I think spending 14 or 15 dollars on it. So I'm going to post a few thoughts on my initial first listen. You can call me stupid now, but hey. it's $15, Tate will probably need it.
Also, I turned off Headspace to listen to this.
Cold: Wow, coming straight from Headspace, this album really does sound like shit. It's demo quality, with cheap sounding guitars, Geoff sounds actually a bit drowned out due to the muddiness. The song is still okay. The thing is, this isn't Queensryche, and it doesn't sound like Queensryche. Also, I do like Kelly's guitar solo. Lukas Rossi writes this with Tate so I'm guessing most of the ideas here are from Lukas.
Also, the lyrics aren't in the booklet, which pisses me off a bit. I never read them, but I think at least the booklet should have relevent info and lyrics.
Dare: Pretty modern rock sorta of intro, and I'm not liking where it's going. Typical childish type chorus. "You wouldn't dare hurt me, cause you just might get hurt yourself." Fuck off Geoff, this song is hurting my ears at the moment and makes me want to hurt you. This one is written by Tate and Slater which says a lot.
Give It To You: What the hell is Geoff doing at the start, sounds like shit. This one is from Slate and Tate and Chris Cox, whoever that is. The verses are terrible, but the chorus isn't too bad, but really not enough to save the song. It's better than the last song. "How do you like me so far" Hmm......really Geoff. Robert Sarzo does an absolutely horrific guitar solo here, good lord, it's cringeworthy.
Slave: Nice heavy riff starts us off here, could be okay. Just looked at the credits, Tate and Slater, oh dear. Jesus, fucking awful chorus. Everything seems off time or slightly out of sync with each other. I don't know who Chris Cannella is but his solo was nothing special. Alright, but nothing special.
Okay, I'm actually starting to get a bit fucking angry now, I had a shit day at work and this isn't helping.
In the Hands of God: "1..... 2" What the fuck Geoff, what?? Okay, Lukas Rossi wrote this one aswell so let's see. Hmm....the atmosphere here is not too bad, but the chorus isn't really going anywhere. Ty Tabor adds a really nice melodic solo here which fits with the song really well. Better than the last three but that's not saying much.
Running Backwards: Now, Martin Irigoyen (whoever that is) adds to Slater and Tate song writing for dummies: Geoff in his gay lord rapping mode, oh dear with some terribly of key notes. The music for the chorus isn't too bad but Geoff's vocal melodies are shit and just all over the place. KK Downing adds some really nice shred but the recording of his solo sounds shit and is mixed so bad you can hardly hear it. It's like he did it in his home studio in 5 minutes and said, "yeah, that'll do." The solo however is really nice and great to hear KK on tape again.
Life Without You: Slater and Tate back at it again. This sounds okay at the start, and I like how they use the Midcrime type clean chords in the verses. Of course, Geoff ruins this totally, those vocals in the chorus are terrible. Fucking Brad Gillis does his best to save this shit with an excellent Gillis style shred fest which pricks the ears, but it ends to soon when you hear Tater again. "Life Without You" SHUT THE FUCK UP, this is so annoying, why would Gillis and Downing play on this shit!
Everything: Same writing team as Running Backwards here and I'm pretty over it. I gave Geoff the benefit of the doubt and tried to show him some love, but his shitting on me, or should I say spitting on me again. The intro riff here is not bad, pretty modern sounding, and I like the clean guitars in the verses, and Geoff tries hard to hold a melody. FUCKING SHIT CHORUS, and Geoff sounds like an out of tune dying cow! "We could have everything." Man, this is painful, really painful. Ty Tabor provides some nice guitar, he's trying to save it but Geoff singing over the top of him makes him invalid.
Fallen: I just don't care anymore. But Meniketti is on this one, so let's listen. Boring after the first minute. Wow, after 2 minutes this is just rubbish, Dave Meniketti actually was happy to play on this, that's quite depressing. As expected, absolute killer solo from Dave, but again, he can't save this rubbish. The outro solo however is incredible.
The Weight of the World: Oh Geoff, you sound fucking done bro, just give up and kill yourself please. Wow, just saw Chris Poland is going to do the solo on this, poor bastard. Geoff simply has insulted all these great guitar players, but one must think how stupid are they for playing on this, it's mind boggling. Okay, getting into the heavier section this isn't too bad, and Tate is actually trying to show a bit of real emotion and put in an effort here. The atmpshere in the middle is actually quite good. Beisdes Chris having an awful tone, he shreds this, incredible, love this guy's playing. He might have saved this song.
Okay, for Geoff to release this and call it Queensryche, is an absolute joke. I will give this another chance or two, but this album is a steaming pile of shit. And every guest is more of an idiot for being part of it. I gave Geoff the benefit of the doubt and paid for his album and he repays me with this fake bullshit. Fuck you Geoff, I'm done.
Oh shit, there's 4 covers I still have to listen to;
I Don't Believe In Love: Who the hell is this Martin guy that did the music on these, he should be shot. Wait, I just heard Tate first couple of lines, is this for real? Wow, this is beyond a trainwreck. Tate's fucking kidding us with this chorus right? Wow...........just.........wow......to release this is just.......wow.
The cover is even more funny after hearing the cd. FU Tate.
Empire: These programmed drums sound terrible, absolutely terrible. Why is he re-recording these, he sounds terrible, tired, emotionless and how about those backups before the chorus lol. And then the chours. :rollin
Jet City Woman: Jesus, those chorus sound a bit sharp don't they? These really are possibly the worst things ever recorded. Fuck, these vocals are just absymal, my god.
Silent Lucidity: Turned it off after a minute and put Headspace back on.
I seriously think Geoff is taking the piss out of us. I stuck with this guy over the last ten years, but this is just too much. I am looking forward to the real QR in June, I might buy about 10 copies.
I think I might throw my copy of FU at some clown walking down the street tomorrow for laughs.
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LOL.
Was this release where it was remixed and given to people who bought the copy AFTER the release date?
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He only has himself to blame.
It has to be considered a music addict's rock bottom.
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I'm having a listen to this one right now. Half way through and it's boring as bat shit but I gotta say, it's a lot better than FU if I remember it correctly. Re-Inventing the Future is actually pretty good.
I am very disappointed in the lack of detail in your review. I want the same kind of passion you put into you FU review. Gotta go find that post. That's quite possibly the single greatest post I've ever read at DTF.
Haha, I don't think I could match that mate, that was one of those once in a blue moon things I guess. Glad you still like it. Quite frankly, I had written that review going in with a lot of hope, now I just don't have the energy, the expectations or gave a shit. :lol
Just rereading that, damn I was pissed cause some of the errors in grammer and wrong words in places in that post is terrible haha.
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How you made it through "The Stranger" is shocking. I really think that is the worst song that I've ever heard in my life.
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How you made it through "The Stranger" is shocking. I really think that is the worst song that I've ever heard in my life.
:lol I might give this new one another spin for a laugh.
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I had to check this out just to see if it was as bad as people were saying.
It's worse.
I'm not knocking anyone that likes it but I just can't see how they do. At least with music that is obviously well constructed and has hard work and heart in it, I'll at the very least say just that and leave it with a simple: It's just not for me. Not this. I mean, some of the songs actually have some pretty great instrumentals going on, there's some awesome riffs that do kind of sound like Queensryche in pieces and mere moments, truly. But then Tate comes in and just pukes and shits all over it. He's shown everyone ten times over by now that he's deluded, egotistical (understatement) and childish, but now he's just straight up trolling and loving it. With lyrics like "I'm the best, fuck the rest", I cannot see the guy as anything but a bloody, sticky, dried up tampon. Horrible singer (and I'll echo the statements made that he's just talking with a hint of skewed, highly distorted tone), horrible lyricist, and from what I've seen from concert footage and interviews on a very bored day...a horrible person.
Good stuff though! :lol It was fun for a laugh. I found it on Youtube finally (cause not even my subscription to Apple Music can allow me to support this in any way, shape or form and I don't even wanna steal it)... The Youtube comment section NEVER disappoints, but even for the YT comments, that shit is off the wall. I get it. People like what they like. But for the life of me I can't understand actually liking this, and this is coming from someone who is only a lukewarm QR fan, so it's not as if I'm bitter towards the album existing at all or came in with hate. I just see this as having a fetish of "I truly enjoy having someone pee in my ear. It's a good feeling". But you know, I have no doubt there are a handful of people in the world that actually like that so...go for it!
I'M THE BEST. FUCK THE REST! YEAHHH! JAEGERBOMBS. FUCKIN' JAEGERBOMBS! GOATEES! MOHAWKS! FUCKIN' JAEGAERBOMBS! (https://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/images/smilies/facesjump.gif)
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If you think this one is that bad, you should check FU.
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Man...I have to now that I've heard this but I don't think I can take that much Tate in one day. Although a storm just rolled in so it'd be fitting.
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Well, just warning you, it's worse.
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Kade, stop posting in this thread. Usually when I see a Wolfking post, I'll read it, but going into this thread sucks!
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Kade, stop posting in this thread. Usually when I see a Wolfking post, I'll read it, but going into this thread sucks!
Blame Chad, he started it!
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Kade, stop posting in this thread. Usually when I see a Wolfking post, I'll read it, but going into this thread sucks!
Blame Chad, he started it!
STOP!
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Kade, stop posting in this thread. Usually when I see a Wolfking post, I'll read it, but going into this thread sucks!
Blame Chad, he started it!
STOP!
(https://images1.mtv.com/uri/mgid:uma:video:mtv.com:990356?width=657&height=370&crop=true&quality=0.85)
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(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Tate-Smoke-Ears.jpg)
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(https://neongods.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/geoff-tate-mohawk.jpg)
"Paint me like one of your French girls..."
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(https://i.imgur.com/O73up2C.jpg)
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:rollin
Best.
I wouldn't have even had to seen all I've seen by the guy to know he's deranged if I just took one look at that hair cut and facial hair. Christ almighty.
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Maybe I should grow a goatee and dye it?
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Put it on Facebook and tag him and his "band". See how long until the dude running the page untags it.
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This guy is back talking some shit again;
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-says-record-company-didnt-stand-by-him-for-queensryches-frequency-unknown/
Tate also talked about the decision by his then-record label Deadline Music/Cleopatra Records to make available "new and improved" mixes of "Frequency Unknown" to any customers who purchased the original mix version and were dissatisfied with the audio: "Yeah, really, it was kind of a mess, wasn't it?"
He continued: "You know art is art. There is no best there is not worst — there is just art. It's all in people's perception. Personally, I don't think U2's 'War' album sounds that good at all. It's really hard to listen to that album from a production standpoint [but] millions of people love that album. It's just one person's viewpoint."
Tate added: "I think what happened with 'Frequency Unknown'; the people that own the record [Deadline Music] got cold feet. Someone said, 'Oh, I don't like the mix on this.' By that, I mean people close to the record company — that person said, 'I can do a better job mixing it if you give it to me to remix.' So what it came down to is that they [Deadline Music] didn't stand by me, they didn't stand by the project; instead they passed the record along to people to remix. Well, by doing that, it reinforces the idea that it sounds bad! [Laughs] They couldn't let it be for what it was — instead they opened a can of worms.
"To me, [QUEENSRŸCHE's classic debut] 'The Warning' album sounds terrible. When that album was made, we had gone so far over our budget that EMI took that out of our hands and gave it to Val Garay to mix without any input from us. They put it out when they needed it — with that mix and we went with it. We had to, at that point."
FU Geoff!
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Warning sounds just fine to me!
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Warning sounds just fine to me!
Sounds fucking incredible to me too.
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Warning sounds just fine to me!
Sounds fucking incredible to me too.
Absolutely!
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So, tate's still deluded and thinks the sun shines out of his Arse. How it could with his head stuck up there is beyond me. F U sounds better than warning? Tool.
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F U sounds better than warning? Tool.
That's basically all you can take out of that. Fuckwit.
I don't know why he would bring up U2's War also, and bag it. It's a classic.
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Apparently there is a much better version of the Warning out there, Michael Wilton has said he has a tape copy of it. They could never get anyone to remix it though, because the masters are... Gone? I can't remember exactly why, but they tried before.
Tate is full of shit, as always. Even Deadline saw his record was garbage.
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It could do with a remix. I always thought it sounded dull back in the day on vinyl. Still miles better than the turd that was FU. They should have asked him about those wonderful rare orcs he did for that album. Probably thinks they beat the originals. His wife told him they did.
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Nothing wrong with what he said.
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Warning sounds just fine to me!
Sounds fucking incredible to me too.
Absolutely!
I got a detention in 10th grade because my Religion teacher caught me reading Kerrang's review of Waning during class. :angel:
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I´ve read interviews with the band as far back as twenty years saying that the mix on The Warning was crap. They thought the guitars were way too thin sounding in the mix and stuff. Personally, I never heard it, but it might be a hangup of Tate, coming back to it this far down the line.
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Operation Mindcrime was just announced to be playing in a venue on Long Island, NY, this spring that holds 1,555 people. It's the same venue where I've seen bands like Dream Theater and Third Eye Blind. I'd be surprised if Geoff sells even one-third of that venue. His solo band played a local bar venue two years ago that holds 400 people and it wasn't even full.
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I'm surprised anyone at all goes and sees this band.
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I can't imagine anybody is itching to see "The Stranger" live.
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haha
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get a group together -get one of those bald head props, stick a merkin on it , maybe even get into the full Bert outfits and go along. It'll be a riot - until Geoff spits on you and crushes your phone ;D
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get a group together -get one of those bald head props, stick a merkin on it , maybe even get into the full Bert outfits and go along. It'll be a riot - until Geoff spits on you and crushes your phone ;D
No no, it would seem like that but he actually would have just thrown it back to you. ;D
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I read that the recent concert Tate and co. played in Helsinki was attended by 120 people, and the capacity of that venue is 900 - ouch! On the other hand, I'm not shocked people don't feel like paying to see performances like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0h5MXtnSLI
I can't imagine anybody is itching to see "The Stranger" live.
Well, that is one of the three new songs that are getting played on this tour. :P https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/operation-mindcrime/2015/nosturi-helsinki-finland-4bf54fe2.html
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By Grabthar's Hammer.....what a surprise.
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He played in Italy in a place I usually go to, didn't bother to go. Few comments I read were enthusiastic however. Guess he must have SOME fans left, or maybe people just went to hear a classic album and is not internet-oriented to the point of knowing everyhing Geoff's done to tarnish his reputation.
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Surely people would know the situation, you'd think.
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Or copious amounts of booze
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lol.
Maybe some people are just curious, I don't know. I just can't see why you'd spend money on his concert.
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Just doing some Christmas groceries..........
(https://s11.postimg.org/mrcqa1y03/tater.jpg)
Yep.............slow day ;D
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haha, that's pretty good though.
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I can assure you that if I was at the concert, it would be piss break time during "The Stranger"
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You really hate that song don't you Jason?
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I can assure you that if I was at the concert, it would be piss break time during "The Stranger"
If I was at the concert, I'd spend the entire time in the pisser.
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I'd be well on the piss before I even got there.
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I'd be well on the piss before I even got there.
*On* the piss... *in* the pisser... both are still preferable to listening to Tater.
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Being in the pisser would still be much more satisfying.
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Surely people would know the situation, you'd think.
Anytime I go to a show I am often amazed by what some fans do not know. We really take it for granted sometimes how "in the know" every rabid internet savvy fan is, and how it often doesn't trickle down to the everyone.
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So it's decided then, instead of the Geoff Tate concert, we are going to watch strippers instead!
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So it's decided then, instead of the Geoff Tate concert, we are going to watch strippers instead!
You would've really enjoyed the cabaret show :lol
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So it's decided then, instead of the Geoff Tate concert, we are going to watch strippers instead!
You would've really enjoyed the cabaret show :lol
What a disaster
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Surely people would know the situation, you'd think.
Anytime I go to a show I am often amazed by what some fans do not know. We really take it for granted sometimes how "in the know" every rabid internet savvy fan is, and how it often doesn't trickle down to the everyone.
I guess, but seriously, it's not hard to be 'in the know.' The internet tells you everything you need to know within seconds.
So it's decided then, instead of the Geoff Tate concert, we are going to watch strippers instead!
What he said.
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So currently watching Tate... He says they're gonna play a few songs off a new album. (Waits for cheers that don't come) it's part of a trilogy (still no cheers). I said, it's part of a TRILOGY! (3 people cheer) ??? :facepalm:
Oh and we did not pay for this. They were giving tickets away like candy. My husband got 6 tickets for free. I would say there are ~400 people maybe.
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Augh. That sounds so awkward. Any show (good or bad) where the audience is basically lifeless is just a horrible thing to be standing in the middle of. :|
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So currently watching Tate... He says they're gonna play a few songs off a new album. (Waits for cheers that don't come) it's part of a trilogy (still no cheers). I said, it's part of a TRILOGY! (3 people cheer) ??? :facepalm:
Oh and we did not pay for this. They were giving tickets away like candy. My husband got 6 tickets for free. I would say there are ~400 people maybe.
Ugh, a trilogy. Seriously Tate. Get one decent album before thinking about three ffs.
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A trilogy of shit stranger songs
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I think what Geoff needs to do is take some time off, evaluate his actions, dedicate some time to improving or adapting his voice, then write a normal album with a good collaborator and some thought put into it. It speaks volumes that his tickets are given away for free and he is playing to a very small fraction of what he used to play to.
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Couldn't he just concentrate on his vineyard?
He can still milk the Mindcrime name for some years but will get ever decreasing sale figures and attendances until the well runs dry. He's constantly going down if he doesn't completely change things, and I don't think he's capable of any drastic changes. Sadly, he's too delusional about himself nowadays.
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Couldn't he just concentrate on his vineyard?
He can still milk the Mindcrime name for some years but will get ever decreasing sale figures and attendances until the well runs dry. He's constantly going down if he doesn't completely change things, and I don't think he's capable of any drastic changes. Sadly, he's too delusional about himself nowadays.
True, it doesn't seem like he realises his career trajectory at this point. It's fine if some people like his stuff, but this has gone beyond the point where it's him being a polarising figure. He's become a laughing stock of the Prog and Metal communities and he doesn't realise that he is paying the price for it in concert attendance, album sales, album reception (although The Key seems to be a step in the right direction in that regard) etc.
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Going to see him tonight with my uncle, I'm only going because he wanted to. I'd rather see 10 years tonight.
I don't mind Re-inventing The Future. Let's see how it goes, will report back tonight on the crowd size, how he does, and all that fun stuff.
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Photo from the concert on Tuesday:
(https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/chknptpie/OpMindCrime_zps0cdaj3ps.jpg)
That same photo over exposed to show the crowd. We were at the back. The area to our right was basically open dance floor.
(https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/chknptpie/OpMindCrime2_zps61nfi15c.jpg)
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I'm really pleased I got to see Queensryche perform both 'Mindcrime' albums in Bristol a few years ago (2008 I think), they sounded great and I was really into them at the time, so I'll never forget that.
However, I saw them again in Newport in 2011 when they were supporting Judas Priest, they only played a 4-song set but they looked and sounded like they really couldn't give a shit by that point :|.... That wasn't too long before they parted ways... Priest on the other hand were incredible!
I'm not sure I'd see either version of the band at this point, but based on the version of 'Take hold of the flame' posted earlier I'd probably stick with Queesryche offical...
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Wow, there's more people in the photo than I would've expected. He's playing a pretty big venue on Long Island in a few weeks, and I can't imagine it being anywhere close to full. The venue (The Paramount) is even promoting the event as "Geoff Tate of Queensryche" on Facebook, which I objected to but they still didn't change it. I'm considering going just out of curiosity, but I probably won't.
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Wow, there's more people in the photo than I would've expected.
Thought the same thing.
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It was mentioned earlier that they're giving away stacks of tickets.......maybe that's got a lot to do with it.
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It was mentioned earlier that they're giving away stacks of tickets.......maybe that's got a lot to do with it.
Definitely. I also saw a lot of Tix for Vets which was kinda cool.
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It was mentioned earlier that they're giving away stacks of tickets.......maybe that's got a lot to do with it.
I don't know if I'd even go when given free tickets to be honest.
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If it was free I would go for sure
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If it was free I would go for sure
Yeah I guess so.
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If it was free I would go for sure
Yeah I guess so.
There's always the good chance of drunk Cougars
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Just found out that Tate is playing in a relatively small, relatively new venue in my city's downtown area, tickets are only $20 and the show is on the 27th this month. Kind of blew me away as I never thought I'd see someone I (kind of) know play at that venue, though they did have TRAPT a few weeks ago.
Unfortunately, even if I wanted to go, I'm working that night til 10, and the doors open at 8, show at 9, so I'd be late anyway. If I was a bigger fan of his/QR's music, I'd probably ask if I could get off work early to go see him, but I'm not really their biggest fan. Just curious, though, how are his shows? Are they worth a $20 ticket to go see?
-Marc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSFOErH6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwly6Qa5oo
What has been seen can not be unseen...
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Tighter pants = higher notes. Gotta try everything to hit em nowadays :metal
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Yeah you can't deny the tightness of those pants
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What has been seen can not be unseen...
But even more unfortunate is the fact that what has been heard cannot be unheard.
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He really needs to just go balls deep into porn. That's where his passion is, he's a freak and he can't sing any longer so why not
take the cabaret thing one step further.
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Whoa, I just remembered Geoff is playing a few minutes from my house tonight. I can witness the tightness in person if I so choose. Lucky me!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSFOErH6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwly6Qa5oo
What has been seen can not be unseen...
First... what the hell is he on, the Yngvie diet plan?
Second - A real cucumber incident (https://www.trendmutti.com/2016/02/25/neulich-beim-abtasten/)
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Operation: Eyecrime
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He certainly has ballooned up.
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I bet Simon Wright has Todd LaTorre in his headphones.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSFOErH6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwly6Qa5oo
What has been seen can not be unseen...
First... what the hell is he on, the Yngvie diet plan?
Second - A real cucumber incident (https://www.trendmutti.com/2016/02/25/neulich-beim-abtasten/)
Ha I was expecting the Derek Smalls video
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Operation: Eyecrime
Anarchy-XXXL
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Operation: Eyecrime
Anarchy-XXXL
Pies of a Stranger
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the crowd were walking in his shadow
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Operation: Eyecrime
Anarchy-XXXL
:rollin
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the crowd were walking in his shadow
And screaming in analog.
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The Mr. T look is quite unbecoming. A cucumber might help.
Saw Qryche twice in the 90s. Went to see them in '03 with some band I had never heard of called Dream Theater.
Totally gave up on them after the 'Tribe' album. And him. Didn't even bother to see them open for DT in 2011. What a train wreck.
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I'm at work so I can't watch the vid, but these comments are classics guys! :lol
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I was wondering why this thread was *blowing up*.
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What has been seen can not be unseen...
But even more unfortunate is the fact that what has been heard cannot be unheard.
I had the sound turned down low for my own protection. I knew that it was gonna suck before I decided to play the video, but I can't resist viewing the train wreck.
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Damn, you guys weren't kidding, he did get fat, wow.
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I thought he sounded alright in that clip, but then again my expectations were so damn low he would have had to really try to meet them.
He really did pack on a few pounds though. Those tight clothes aren't helping either. The real question is were they that tight when he bought them
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As he gets older he puts on some weight, so far no problem because almost everyone has to fight that come a certain age. But why does he have to dress like that?
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As he gets older he puts on some weight, so far no problem because almost everyone has to fight that come a certain age. But why does he have to dress like that?
He's done much worse. Y'know ozzy........I have a photo :lol
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He really did pack on a few pounds though. Those tight clothes aren't helping either. The real question is were they that tight when he bought them put them on before the backstage buffet.
Fix'd
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He's done much worse. Y'know ozzy........I have a photo :lol
Don't you dare. The nightmares just finally stopped.
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Yeah, he certainly doesn't pull off the dick togs like good old Kip......
Nah, I won't do it. ;D
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He really did pack on a few pounds though. Those tight clothes aren't helping either.
That's the real problem. He's older and always had kind of a big frame, so packing on the lbs isn't something I'd necessarily attack. But don't wear clothes that tight then. I can't even explain what I saw.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSFOErH6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwly6Qa5oo
What has been seen can not be unseen...
https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=3gngolYLEec&p=n#/137;139
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSFOErH6Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwly6Qa5oo
What has been seen can not be unseen...
https://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=3gngolYLEec&p=n#/137;139
:lol :biggrin: :lol
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It just takes a minute
And you'll feel chest pain
Eatin everything in sight boy
Shirts Vest covered in stains
You've come to see the menu
Would you like the soup du jour
I'm gonna take away your veggies
Yeah, replace it with sugar
Pizza man with the order
And a twelve pack of Red Bull
Bert n’ Ernie for a hair do
Yeah, you looked pretty cool
Had a habit doing donuts
Ouch the coffee burns
No regrets, I've got no pride
No exercise to learn
Now, I know you won't refuse
Because we've got so much to chew
So many calories to lose
So take this number and welcome to
Operation Eyecrime
There’s a pair of skinny jeans
Working overtime
Operation Eyecrime
There's some food for you in the kitchen boy
And everything’s fried
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Well, choosing 'The Thin Line' wouldn't have worked.
Well done! :tup
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:lol
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Calvin, I award you one internet. That was magnificient. :rollin :rollin
"Because we've got so much to chew"
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"There's some food for you in the kitchen boy"
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What has been seen can not be unseen...
I can't take all the credit. PowerSlave acted the muse.
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"Bert n' Ernie for a haircut" is gold! and a pair of skinny jeans working overtime! the whole thing got a good laugh from me though.
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Maybe I'm the only one here interested on this ;D, but anyway:
https://www.melodicrock.com/articles/news-feed/2016/07/14/operation-mindcrime-resurrection-due-september-23
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I would be interested in hearing that song with Blaze Bayley, Ripper Owens and Tate
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I would be interested in hearing that song with Blaze Bayley, Ripper Owens and Tate
We'll expect a full report!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTorjWg0Lg
First song out. Well, I liked it! Kind of a Pink Floyd ballad.
Edit: another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1bdc0xxxQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTorjWg0Lg
First song out. Well, I liked it! Kind of a Pink Floyd ballad.
Edit: another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1bdc0xxxQ
I've always been told if you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything, so
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTorjWg0Lg
First song out. Well, I liked it! Kind of a Pink Floyd ballad.
Edit: another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1bdc0xxxQ
Those were some really boring songs. I think, for the first one, there was at least 2 minutes when I forgot the song was even playing and it became background noise.
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I couldn't even listen to the songs in full. It was like counting seconds - boring.
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What's up with the production? It sounds really bad, like amateurish bad. And his vocals are so processed.
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What's up with the production? It sounds really bad, like amateurish bad. And his vocals are so processed.
All of his past few releases the production has been absolutely terrible, it's no surprise.
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The vocals are processed to try to get something useable.
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The vocals are processed to try to get something useable.
They still fail everytime.
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The Fight is actually a decent song but man, Tate's voice is more strained than ever, and at times it sounds like he's off-key - I assume he's aiming for a Bowie vibe, but with little success. He should hire a vocal coach or at least get a producer who has the guts to tell him to put in more effort. Too bad that'll never happen...
What's up with the production? It sounds really bad, like amateurish bad. And his vocals are so processed.
Two words: Kelly Gray. :P
EDIT: I swear he sings "scratching my ass" at 0:43! :lol
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(https://i0.wp.com/screamermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Cover-Operation-Mindcrime-September-2016-Brett.jpg?fit=600%2C776)
Oh my...
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Is his band made up of 7 dudes?
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No, it's 6 dudes.
....and an ass.
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It's a fold out picture. There are actually 22 guys in the band.
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:lol
It has that look, doesn't it?
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Do they have 2 keyboardists or 3 guitarists?
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Wow, Geoff...'Screaming in Digital' at your age? Or the rejected cover for 'Frequency Unknown'?
What a train wreck for the past dozen or so years.
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It's a fold out picture. There are actually 22 guys in the band.
I bet you can fold it up like Mad Magazine and it shows an ass.
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To think this guy fronted the "thinking mans metal band". He's just a prick now now.
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Well, the last time I saw him in concert, he had a whole 'circus' of performers surrounding him. His voice was actually not that bad at that time.
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It's a fold out picture. There are actually 22 guys in the band.
I bet you can fold it up like Mad Magazine and it shows an ass.
the picture NoN posted has already been folded then
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*snip*
Oh my...
Middle finger at the camera, 'tough' poses and wearing 95% black in a band photoshoot.
SO EDGY
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"He's in a band
They sound like Pearl Jam
Their clothes are all black
The music is crap"
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Not sure if this was discussed, but did anyone notice the link on Tate's O:M website to the official Queensryche website?
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Not sure if this was discussed, but did anyone notice the link on Tate's O:M website to the official Queensryche website?
That may be part of the settlement...
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Man, just when I think the man can't reach any lower depths.....he goes and does another stupid thing. Why do I even bother?
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Look, I am not tapping such a filthy search term into Google. What's he done now?
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Look at the pic.
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Oooops! Thought the comment before yours was a year ago. Bizarrely.
Yeah, that's horrid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7n-NC2qUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7n-NC2qUU)
i love Ripper and Blaze, but not even they could save this song. :(
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That wasn't bad, actually. First song from Tate in a long time that I haven't flat out disliked. And although Tate still sounds strained and is singing from the neck up, at least he sounds like he is trying.
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It's not a bad song. The video is funny though.
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Yeah, the video... Why are Ripper and Blaze holding lyric sheets? :lol
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Good song, much better then anything he has released in years (reinventing the future was good too). I was hoping that Ripper and Blaze would have more solo parts, but the three work well together.
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I hear "I don't believe in love" guitar parts rehashed.
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I hear "I don't believe in love" guitar parts rehashed.
The verses for sure.
I don't even know what to think about this.
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That actually wasn't bad to be honest. Although, Blaze and Tim are under utilised, Tate still being Tate and not giving them much room here.
Yeah, the video... Why are Ripper and Blaze holding lyric sheets? :lol
Yeah, I thought that was quite funny too.
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This has got to be a huge victory for Geoff. So far the reviews are "not bad", "wasn't bad", "good" and " I don't know".
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This has got to be a huge victory for Geoff. So far the reviews are "not bad", "wasn't bad", "good" and " I don't know".
:lol
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Not totally shithouse. Add that to the list JJ.
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:rollin
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Pretty awful. Also obvious they do that one QR thing way too often, where they have an uptempo 4/4 beat with bass keeping the rhythm and the guitar doing a clean dreamy arpegio over it.
Also, after a while I just started skipping through it, but did the other two vocalists do any actual lead vocals? I may have missed it, but it seemed like they were just doing harmonies that Tate could have easily done himself.
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All I could think of the whole time was The Three stooges
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Also, after a while I just started skipping through it, but did the other two vocalists do any actual lead vocals? I may have missed it, but it seemed like they were just doing harmonies that Tate could have easily done himself.
They each got like, 3 seconds of lead vocals. I don´t see the point of inviting two known singers, and use them for backing vocals and harmonies that, as you said, he could have done.
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At one point, there was a project in the works to include Tate, Bruce Dickinson, and Rob Halford. That project eventually fell through. So, when Tate decides to revisit the idea he gets those guys' replacements?
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At one point, there was a project in the works to include Tate, Bruce Dickinson, and Rob Halford. That project eventually fell through. So, when Tate decides to revisit the idea he gets those guys' replacements?
Too bad is didn't include Tate's replacement.
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It's not bad but talk about 'phoning it in' , it sounds like they recorded the vocal down a phone line.
And I don't say this often, but I think I'm a better guitarist than Kelly Grey.
Production is shit.
Yeah, a lot better :biggrin:
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At one point, there was a project in the works to include Tate, Bruce Dickinson, and Rob Halford. That project eventually fell through. So, when Tate decides to revisit the idea he gets those guys' replacements?
Too bad is didn't include Tate's replacement.
You made my day, TAC! :xbones
B.Lee
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At one point, there was a project in the works to include Tate, Bruce Dickinson, and Rob Halford. That project eventually fell through. So, when Tate decides to revisit the idea he gets those guys' replacements?
Too bad is didn't include Tate's replacement.
:lol
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
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Hmmmmmm.
:lol
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Completely speculation, but my guess is that it is a $$$$ thing, plain and simple.
When you have Tate, Ripper, and Blaze, all three of those guys want to get a decent chunk of change. And arguably, Ripper is the best out of all three of them, and is used to getting paid at a certain level.
I checked out a few clips -- it was cool to see the three of them, but (total speculation here) if Ripper wasn't getting paid what he was used to getting, then I don't blame him for stepping aside.
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At one point, there was a project in the works to include Tate, Bruce Dickinson, and Rob Halford. That project eventually fell through. So, when Tate decides to revisit the idea he gets those guys' replacements?
This made me remember of that project, back in 2000-2001 or so.
It's hilarous that as you said he exactly got the replacement of the other two singers :lol
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Completely speculation, but my guess is that it is a $$$$ thing, plain and simple.
When you have Tate, Ripper, and Blaze, all three of those guys want to get a decent chunk of change. And arguably, Ripper is the best out of all three of them, and is used to getting paid at a certain level.
I checked out a few clips -- it was cool to see the three of them, but (total speculation here) if Ripper wasn't getting paid what he was used to getting, then I don't blame him for stepping aside.
But he specifically ruled out working with Geoff in particular, and then said he WOULD be working with Blaze.
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Completely speculation, but my guess is that it is a $$$$ thing, plain and simple.
When you have Tate, Ripper, and Blaze, all three of those guys want to get a decent chunk of change. And arguably, Ripper is the best out of all three of them, and is used to getting paid at a certain level.
I checked out a few clips -- it was cool to see the three of them, but (total speculation here) if Ripper wasn't getting paid what he was used to getting, then I don't blame him for stepping aside.
But he specifically ruled out working with Geoff in particular, and then said he WOULD be working with Blaze.
Did I misread it? I could have sworn he said that Geoff and Blaze may take it to Europe, but he (Ripper) would not be a part of it.
Edit -- I see what you noted now. Hmm. Interesting. I dunno, I still say money is the primary reason. I don't want to get too negative, but if you know the history of the Tates, usually a couple reasons come into play ultimately with these types of things. Best wishes to everyone involved. Looking forward to Ripper's next project and the next Tate acoustic tour.
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That headline is misleading and very clickbaity. They make it sound like there were problems, but Ripper said "unfortunlately he wont be working with him" and overall it was a great time.
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I don't know why, but it strikes me as sad when I see these three guys touring together. It's like "hey, look at us, we used to sing in legendary bands, but we don't anymore, so we'll get together and throw in some old Ryche, Priest and Maiden songs all together."
Gimme a solo Blaze Bayley performance instead, thank you very much.
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I don't know why, but it strikes me as sad when I see these three guys touring together. It's like "hey, look at us, we used to sing in legendary bands, but we don't anymore, so we'll get together and throw in some old Ryche, Priest and Maiden songs all together."
Gimme a solo Blaze Bayley performance instead, thank you very much.
I'm with you, honestly. The Trinity thing didn't happen near me, but had it, I wouldn't have gone. It was something I think they were all hoping would grab the interests of promoters, and it didn't. That's the issue with this stuff. Had it been Dickinson and Halford touring together doing something similar, I think it would be huge -- because they are still in their bands, and they have much bigger profiles. Promoters would have anted up because they know people would come check it out.
But for two replacement singers of legendary bands, and one original singer whose reputation has been soiled publicly, there's just not enough there (if I was a promoter) to throw cash at them. It was gimmicky. Whereas, if it was 15 years ago, and Dickinson-Halford-Tate, it would have been huge. They honestly should have made that happen.
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That headline is misleading and very clickbaity. They make it sound like there were problems, but Ripper said "unfortunlately he wont be working with him" and overall it was a great time.
I disagree. Sure he said "unfortunately", but then he followed that up with "So we'll leave it at that. But I will be working with Blaze Bayley." In other words, there's a lot more dirt to the story than he's willing to bring up because he doesn't want to create a bunch of negativity. Which is probably why he also said "It was a lot of fun — we laughed a lot and had a good time." Probably some truth to that, but probably just as much PR talk as anything. Considering Tater's ways, including that of his manager wife, I'd be surprised if there wasn't problems! Seems that several well known or semi-well known musicians seem to distance themselves from the Taters after working with them, for whatever reason, such as Glen Drover, the Sarzo brothers, Craig Locicero, etc.
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
Call me weird, but I don't have any QR post-DeGarmo, I have every Priest album except two (Jugulator and Demolition), and while I have every Maiden album and single, my least favorite are by far The X Factor and Futureal.
I would've passed on this.
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One of the first real metal songs I heard (I think, I dunno) was Burn in Hell by Priest with Ripper. He's always had a special place in my heart, but I totally would have skipped this as well.
Now, you give me Ripper covering Steel Dragon, I'll for the insane irony alone.
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If I had a chance to see this triple bill, I would have gone for sure. It would have mostly been for Ripper, but it would still be cool to see Tate and Blaze. Ripper is such a powerhouse singer live, Live Meltdown is still my favorite live album by any band.
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Blaze is a good soul.
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His first two solo albums are classic and his first from Wolfsbane is also a great listen.
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His latest album is excellent.
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
Call me weird, but I don't have any QR post-DeGarmo, I have every Priest album except two (Jugulator and Demolition), and while I have every Maiden album and single, my least favorite are by far The X Factor and Futureal.
I would've passed on this.
Dude....VXI is drivel, but PLEASE give TXF a complete objective spin. That is seriously a top 5 Maiden album. I've been spinning it lately and I absolutely can't get enough of it. The Sign of the Cross, Blood on the World's Hands, The Unbeliever, Man on the Edge....so many seriously awesome songs.
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Jugulator is solid, but is best experienced on the live album from that tour.
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
Call me weird, but I don't have any QR post-DeGarmo, I have every Priest album except two (Jugulator and Demolition), and while I have every Maiden album and single, my least favorite are by far The X Factor and Futureal.
I would've passed on this.
Dude....VXI is drivel, but PLEASE give TXF a complete objective spin. That is seriously a top 5 Maiden album. I've been spinning it lately and I absolutely can't get enough of it. The Sign of the Cross, Blood on the World's Hands, The Unbeliever, Man on the Edge....so many seriously awesome songs.
Personally I don't like Blayze's voice and the guitars tone (and low mix) on TXF. But I do agree there are great songs on there (and some that I really don't like), including the japanese bonus tracks.
"My"version of the album that I like to hear:
1. Sign...
2. Lord...
3. Man...
4. Jugement...
5. Justice of the peace (japan)
6. Blood...
7. I live my way (japan)
8. The edge...
9. Judgement day (japan)
10. The unbeliever
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That headline is misleading and very clickbaity. They make it sound like there were problems, but Ripper said "unfortunlately he wont be working with him" and overall it was a great time.
I disagree. Sure he said "unfortunately", but then he followed that up with "So we'll leave it at that. But I will be working with Blaze Bayley." In other words, there's a lot more dirt to the story than he's willing to bring up because he doesn't want to create a bunch of negativity. Which is probably why he also said "It was a lot of fun — we laughed a lot and had a good time." Probably some truth to that, but probably just as much PR talk as anything. Considering Tater's ways, including that of his manager wife, I'd be surprised if there wasn't problems! Seems that several well known or semi-well known musicians seem to distance themselves from the Taters after working with them, for whatever reason, such as Glen Drover, the Sarzo brothers, Craig Locicero, etc.
That was what I took from it as well. But, hey, Ripper was a gentleman in not actually revealing the dirt, so I'm perfectly content leaving it at that and not speculating much further than that there is definitely SOMETHING that happened between him and the Tate camp that is more than simply, "this tour didn't pay as much as I thought it would have."
As for the tour itself, it's a bit complicated. I was once a huge Tate fan, but am now pretty anti, both because of who he has revealed himself to be and because of his severely diminished abilities (and disinterest in really addressing his diminished abilities). Never heard anything from Blayze that grabbed me. And while I recognize and appreciate Ripper's talent, I have never been a fan of any of the bands he has been in, so he has managed to fly under my radar. But from the clips I have seen, this tour just seems like it would be a fun thing to see and a chance to see some guys having a blast doing some solid tunes. Seems like a fun club show. If it had come close by, I likely would have gone.
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
Call me weird, but I don't have any QR post-DeGarmo, I have every Priest album except two (Jugulator and Demolition), and while I have every Maiden album and single, my least favorite are by far The X Factor and Futureal.
I would've passed on this.
Dude....VXI is drivel, but PLEASE give TXF a complete objective spin. That is seriously a top 5 Maiden album. I've been spinning it lately and I absolutely can't get enough of it. The Sign of the Cross, Blood on the World's Hands, The Unbeliever, Man on the Edge....so many seriously awesome songs.
I've tried really hard to like The X Factor. But every time I listen, Bruce's version of Sign of the Cross comes into my head, and I realize just how much better he would have sang the record. So it makes it difficult.
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As for the short-lived Trinity, to be honest, I really wish that Bruce and Rob would revisit the idea together, whether with Tate, or another singer. I have to say, that clip from 15 years ago of those three doing "The One You Love to Hate" was pretty damn cool.
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here is Geoff performing with Avantasia. Not the most challenging song to sing, but Geoff sounds pretty good....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwA0rqw6d4&feature=youtu.be
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Things to make you say hmmmmmmmmmm.....
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tim-ripper-owens-i-wont-be-working-with-geoff-tate-again/
Call me weird, but I don't have any QR post-DeGarmo, I have every Priest album except two (Jugulator and Demolition), and while I have every Maiden album and single, my least favorite are by far The X Factor and Futureal.
I would've passed on this.
Dude....VXI is drivel, but PLEASE give TXF a complete objective spin. That is seriously a top 5 Maiden album. I've been spinning it lately and I absolutely can't get enough of it. The Sign of the Cross, Blood on the World's Hands, The Unbeliever, Man on the Edge....so many seriously awesome songs.
I will, to keep up with the Maiden discography. It's also relative; I mean, the other albums with Bruce as SO FRIGGIN' GOOD (well, except FotD; that's not an album I go to much).
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here is Geoff performing with Avantasia. Not the most challenging song to sing, but Geoff sounds pretty good....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwA0rqw6d4&feature=youtu.be
Avantasia is what Tate probably wants his Operation: Mindcrime project to be. It's just not billed that way, nor are the albums as dramatic and interesting as Avantasia.
Truthfully, doing things like Avantasia and tours like this is exactly what Tate should be doing. If he can get his voice into decent enough shape, I could see him doing TSO, touring Europe all the time with Avantasia, etc. It's when Tate has complete creative control that things get a little wonky for whatever reason.
He sounds good with Avantasia. Not Tate of 1991, or hell even 2005, pre-MC II, but a solid vocal performance. I'd love to see him embrace more opportunities like this.
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here is Geoff performing with Avantasia. Not the most challenging song to sing, but Geoff sounds pretty good....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwA0rqw6d4&feature=youtu.be
He sounds good here! And he looks like he's really enjoying it too :metal
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Dude....VXI is drivel, but PLEASE give TXF a complete objective spin. That is seriously a top 5 Maiden album. I've been spinning it lately and I absolutely can't get enough of it. The Sign of the Cross, Blood on the World's Hands, The Unbeliever, Man on the Edge....so many seriously awesome songs.
I will, to keep up with the Maiden discography. It's also relative; I mean, the other albums with Bruce as SO FRIGGIN' GOOD (well, except FotD; that's not an album I go to much).
J dude is underselling VXI and overselling TXF. But TXF has some amazing moments. Some of Maiden's best. Notice I said moments and not songs..
here is Geoff performing with Avantasia. Not the most challenging song to sing, but Geoff sounds pretty good....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwA0rqw6d4&feature=youtu.be
Avantasia is what Tate probably wants his Operation: Mindcrime project to be. It's just not billed that way, nor are the albums as dramatic and interesting as Avantasia.
Truthfully, doing things like Avantasia and tours like this is exactly what Tate should be doing. If he can get his voice into decent enough shape, I could see him doing TSO, touring Europe all the time with Avantasia, etc. It's when Tate has complete creative control that things get a little wonky for whatever reason.
As soon as it was announced that Tate was involved, I called it right away, that he would do a great job on it.
Tobi is amazing with what he does on these albums, especially with the voacalists. I mean, look what he did with Joe Lynn Turner on The Mystery Of Time. He was a friggin' miracle worker.
Plus, I think there's a healthy competition amongst the vocalists that causes each to raise their game.
Tate's performance was not surprising to me in any way. I actually felt happy he could turn in such a performance, TBH.
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looks like he is trotting out an entirely different lineup on this month's dates, aside from Randy and Scott Mouton. I have no idea who the other three are. Damn Kelly Gray isn't even on this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_4hDbv44Dk
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"you're in my web Kelly Grey..."
I didn't think he would have been able to escape, but I guess I was wrong
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This is a good interview. He even said he saw QR recently with the new singer and was very complimentary. Even met him and spoke with the rest of the guys again.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0m60i36ZmOo
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
I'm not sure. I guess Geoff has moved on and so have they. I really hope MP and DT can get to that level of peace one day.
Geoff really seems changed. I know he says he went to therapy but don't know when or for how long.
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
I'm not sure. I guess Geoff has moved on and so have they. I really hope MP and DT can get to that level of peace one day.
Geoff really seems changed. I know he says he went to therapy but don't know when or for how long.
Level of peace? They were polite to each other for a few minutes backstage. Let's not start thinking the world is all rainbows quite yet.
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Funny how nice Geoff got when he found out he wasn't as important as he thought he was.
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
I'm not sure. I guess Geoff has moved on and so have they. I really hope MP and DT can get to that level of peace one day.
Geoff really seems changed. I know he says he went to therapy but don't know when or for how long.
Level of peace? They were polite to each other for a few minutes backstage. Let's not start thinking the world is all rainbows quite yet.
After what went down, I'm surprised that happened, but they are adults. MP asked for a break, they said no, he left. Then he started his passive aggressive bullshit. I don't know, with how much Portnoy spits on stage, maybe something similar happened with DT's break up. lol
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Lol, maybe.
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
Yes. Two years worth of legal wrangling before they settled - https://www.anybodylistening.net/lawsuit.html
On a positive note, it's nice to see them be cordial. I think both camps realize they probably can make more money with one another. Whether they reunite, time will tell. I don't really have any interest in just Tate coming back, however. For me, it would have to be completely the original lineup. Nothing against Parker, I just think we've "been there, done that" with Tateryche.
I have to repeat though -- I really was impressed by Tate's acoustic solo tour. He sounded good and I'm glad I went. Got to see a cool setlist too.
But $$$$$ always talks. If Queensryche and Tate get offers to reunite and they are high enough to warrant consideration, they'll take it. Despite what Tate says, he does need the money, as do some in Queensryche. But if it's just Tate, Rock, Jackson, Wilton, and Lundgren, I'd pass. If it is the full-on original lineup, take my money.
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Didn't Geoff sue them?
Yes. Two years worth of legal wrangling before they settled - https://www.anybodylistening.net/lawsuit.html
But what is frustrating is that, although things may indeed have calmed down significantly, he still can't help trying to "revise" history. For those who followed the story, it isn't hard to pick up a lot of things he said in that interview that are either outright wrong or just misleading. For instance, he says, "They sued me." Technically, yes, that is a true statement. But it is VERY misleading and completely misses the point of what happened.
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Geoff has really been putting some work in with his singing. Messy sound here but you can tell he's at a level not seen in many years. I wonder if he is working hard for a reason other than his solo career.
https://youtu.be/ZdUlJHvET1I
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That's interesting Brent. It's actually pretty good.
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Geoff has really been putting some work in with his singing. Messy sound here but you can tell he's at a level not seen in many years. I wonder if he is working hard for a reason other than his solo career.
https://youtu.be/ZdUlJHvET1I
This is the absolute finest he's sounded in more than a decade. He doesn't just sound OK. He sounds really good. REALLY good. They've downtuned just a bit, but it has been downtuned since like 2001 anyway. I'm really, really impressed. Even better than when I saw him acoustically this past spring.
Speak, Spreading the Disease, SSM, Needle...just...damn, That was the guy I loved hearing. Extremely impressive. :tup
Just wow.
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Geoff has really been putting some work in with his singing. Messy sound here but you can tell he's at a level not seen in many years. I wonder if he is working hard for a reason other than his solo career.
https://youtu.be/ZdUlJHvET1I
I think he finally realizes that the trilogy idea went nowhere and tanked and securing his next recording contract is going to be chasing a needle in a haystack, therefore what does that leave....hmmm maybe if I up my vocal game and perform Mindcrime a little better for the 125th time...hmm maybe if I do that and just continue to milk that since the 30th Anniversary is right around the corner, If I could get five hundred people to come rather than two hundred and fifty I could afford to stay on the road performing, since I love performing so much. That certainly would be a start. However, creativity is gone. His penchant for metal is gone. Operation Mindcrime has been milked drier than the California gold mines.
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Noticed today that Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime (which performed with a different lineup, as we noted, a couple months ago in Brazil) is headed out in support of ANGRA in March and April 2018 in Europe and Russia. Very cool bill. Not sure who is in Angra these days, but I remember digging them years ago.
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Yeah, that would be a wonderful show! Angra has a new album coming out soon and it will be their first one without Kiko Loureiro, who joined Megadeth a couple years ago. Their current vocalist is Fabio Lione from Rhapsody, and he is such a perfect fit.
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Yep, curious to see the lineups. I'm guessing maybe we'll see a few different lineups maybe involved between the Europe dates and when it shifts to North America later.
And it lays to rest THANK GOD :biggrin: any crazy delusions that Queensryche would for some ill advised un Godly reason reunite with Geoff for the 30th anniversary of Mindcrime.
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Noticed today that Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime (which performed with a different lineup, as we noted, a couple months ago in Brazil) is headed out in support of ANGRA in March and April 2018 in Europe and Russia. Very cool bill. Not sure who is in Angra these days, but I remember digging them years ago.
In his recent brazilian tour, Geoff Tate played with an all brazilian band and the bassist was Felipe Andreoli of Angra.
IMO the last Angra album was very good, still with Kiko in the band and already with Fabio on vocals. From Secret Garden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIqIRK5ynM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaUeS-wRUYQ (awesome The Police cover)
Marcelo Barbosa is the new guitar player. A very good one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixBr990_teU
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Noticed today that Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime (which performed with a different lineup, as we noted, a couple months ago in Brazil) is headed out in support of ANGRA in March and April 2018 in Europe and Russia. Very cool bill. Not sure who is in Angra these days, but I remember digging them years ago.
In his recent brazilian tour, Geoff Tate played with an all brazilian band and the bassist was Felipe Andreoli of Angra.
IMO the last Angra album was very good, still with Kiko in the band and already with Fabio on vocals. From Secret Garden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIqIRK5ynM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaUeS-wRUYQ (awesome The Police cover)
Marcelo Barbosa is the new guitar player. A very good one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixBr990_teU
I thought the band sounded pretty good!
I'm glad Tate is going this route for the time being. I think it is still possible that he reunites later in the year with Queensyrche (again, money talks). But I'm very much for him doing his own thing at this point. I don't seriously think there's a huge bump in cash for him to reunite with Queensryche without DeGarmo. The only thing that makes sense (at least IMO) financially would be the original lineup. And again, I think the key years are 2018 or 2020 for that. If it doesn't happen then, it likely won't ever...which is what I would bet on. But you never know.
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This is interesting. Ty Tabor on playing on FU;
"Uncomfortable, because when I agreed to do it, I thought that I was agreeing to play a solo on one of Geoff's solo albums. I didn't realize it was that when I agreed to it. So I sort of stepped into the controversy accidentally. And I don't know if you noticed — I didn't say a word about it on any of it on my social networks, I didn't promote it or anything, because I felt bad about it. I went ahead and did it 'cause I gave my word, but I didn't realize that's what it was when I said yes. I misunderstood."
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Noticed today that Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime (which performed with a different lineup, as we noted, a couple months ago in Brazil) is headed out in support of ANGRA in March and April 2018 in Europe and Russia. Very cool bill. Not sure who is in Angra these days, but I remember digging them years ago.
In his recent brazilian tour, Geoff Tate played with an all brazilian band and the bassist was Felipe Andreoli of Angra.
IMO the last Angra album was very good, still with Kiko in the band and already with Fabio on vocals. From Secret Garden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIqIRK5ynM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaUeS-wRUYQ (awesome The Police cover)
Marcelo Barbosa is the new guitar player. A very good one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixBr990_teU
I thought the band sounded pretty good!
I'm glad Tate is going this route for the time being. I think it is still possible that he reunites later in the year with Queensyrche (again, money talks). But I'm very much for him doing his own thing at this point. I don't seriously think there's a huge bump in cash for him to reunite with Queensryche without DeGarmo. The only thing that makes sense (at least IMO) financially would be the original lineup. And again, I think the key years are 2018 or 2020 for that. If it doesn't happen then, it likely won't ever...which is what I would bet on. But you never know.
Yes he is basically playing the same size clubs with or without Queensryche. Even if DeGarmo came back I couldn't see them all of sudden playing large arenas maybe placed that DT play at least until the novelty wears off.
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His new album came out earlier this month. It is not bad. Nothing ground breaking but a few goof songs. "It was Always You" being my favorite. He DOES not know how to promote, even on his Twitter page he doesn't mention it. I've heard a few recent interviews promoting it, he does not seem so pompous anymore but it looks like for the 30 year anniversary he is going to play O:M in it's entirety....again....I loved his acoustic show but will probably pass, although it would have been about 12 years since I've seen it performed live so who knows.
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His new album came out earlier this month. It is not bad. Nothing ground breaking but a few goof songs. "It was Always You" being my favorite.
Freudian slip? ;)
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His new album came out earlier this month. It is not bad. Nothing ground breaking but a few goof songs. "It was Always You" being my favorite.
Freudian slip? ;)
Funny. I though I was only this bad when talking to text.
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Tate was joined by Tobias Sammet of Avantasia for Jet City Woman at one of his German shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdv74ruk6QY Sammet messed up some of the words, but Tate sounds good and they clearly had a great time.
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Nice! Also, never really followed him that close to know the difference throughout the years, but Geoff here seems kinda, you know, older and wiser. The way he introduces Tobi and the song, he gives the idea of someone that has seen quite some stuff (you know, worldwide success) and by now he's just happy to share it with anybody listening (yeah, I did that). A world apart from "you guys suck" (which still must have been said tongue in cheek, but still...)
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Ok Forum, I have a confession to make. I like that trilogy of Tate's named Operation Mindcrime There I said it. If you want to ban me, I'll understand.
:)
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Fuck everybody else :biggrin: :lol you like it that's all that matters right ?
And I'd go see the show if I were you. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. The band at present is a major upgrade IMO. No telling whether that will last or not, so I'd go if I were you. :metal
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Okay, I'm about to listen through Geoff Tate's trilogy in one sitting. I'll post back with my first impressions. Wish me luck.
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...I couldn't get past the first disc...
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...I couldn't get past the first disc...
That's because I didn't get a chance to wish you luck.
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...I couldn't get past the first disc...
That's because I didn't get a chance to wish you luck.
:lol :biggrin:
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Dude....you gotta commit. If you say you’re going to do something like that, you’ve got to take one for the team. I mean, I was thinking of what a great write up it would be to read about your misery and torture, and how Geoff Tate now makes you want to go kill puppies or something. But then you wussed out on us.
:hat ;D
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Dude....you gotta commit. If you say you’re going to do something like that, you’ve got to take one for the team. I mean, I was thinking of what a great write up it would be to read about your misery and torture, and how Geoff Tate now makes you want to go kill puppies or something. But then you wussed out on us.
:hat ;D
Eh, I'll try again later today, but I promise it'll be good when I get there. :hat
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First off, before I'd even like to say anything, I'd just like to get this important piece of information out of the way first...
*ahem*
Geoff Tate is kind of a cunt
Now that everyone's caught up to speed, let's hear this shit.
Track 1: Choices
"Hmmm... what's the best way I can start this 3-hour concept album trilogy about the economic status of our current society?"
"Hmmm, how about 30 seconds of inaudible sound effects, followed by 3 minutes one repeated line that resolves in a total anticlimax thanks to the over-compressed production."
"Perfect, let's do it!"
^ This was a conversation that I doubt 2 humans have ever had in the history of our known universe. Luckily, I don't think anyone involved with this album legally counts as a human, so here we are.
Track 2: Burn
Woah, watch out Geoff, don't overdo it with the vocal performance, if you do that too much you might actually make your audience give a shit.
Anyway, this is track had potential I guess, but nothing's really done with any sense of passion or enthusiasm so it just sounds dead inside, & if I wanted to hear a song that reflects my constant mental state, I'd probably listen to nirvana or something, not a song that's supposed to be about the economic status of the US.
Track 3: Re-Inventing The Future
Oh hey, it's the single. Again, this honestly had a bit of potential. The chorus is pretty neat & I like the theme of the lyrics, but Geoff can't hold a note in the chorus longer than a nanosecond, so that's kind of a problem. On the plus side though, I hear rap's pretty big now, & a speed like that would be pretty impressive nowadays.
inb4 Geoff Tate's rap career please god don't actually let this happen
Track 4: Ready To Fly
Actually, listening to this album's making me a bit tired. I'm not sure I can do this right now. Maybe if I could justt rset my headfor al ittle whil
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Track 5: Discussion In A Smoke Filled Room
Oh shit I just remembered this album was meant to have a story.
Actually that was a lie, no I didn't
Track 6: Life or Death
Why hello there Mr. Not-Geoff-Tate. Uh, quick question, why are you actually making him look better in comparison? Honestly that's a much bigger accomplishment than most other civilisations can ever dream of. I mean, think about it, it's a natural progression...
The climbing of Mt Everest
The invention of electricity
The splitting of the atom
The discovery of a singer worse than Geoff Tate
??
idk the cure for cancer i guess?
Truly with this discovery we can advance further as a society & better the lives of millions as a result.
Track 7: The Stranger
Oh wait, nevermind, I think this song just gave cancer to everyone who listened to it. Damn, that's gotta be the fastest drop in everyone's faith in humanity since I was given a DTF account.
What's that?
Oh yeah, I had a song to talk about.
"i'm a walkin' genocide"
"make you cry, make you want your mother"
"im the best, fuck the rest"
"let's see if he takes it like a man"
Jesus, when did Geoff become an edgy teenager? At this point I'm waiting for the "psssh...nothin personnel kid"
Oh wait, that's actually in the song
fuck
Yeah, this is abysmal. Probably the worst song that's ever been associated with Queenryche, & that's living in a world where Saved, Hit The Black, One Life, Desert Dance, Home Again, The Voice, Slave, In The Hands Of God & all of DTC exists.
Yeah, it's that bad.
Track 8: Hearing Voices
Like the previous song, only longer, more boring, lazier, & basically worse in every way. I'd honestly be impressed at how fast this album turned to an "all-time worst candidate" if it weren't so sad. At this point I got an ad for a syrian refugee charity & it made me less depressed than being reminded that this album exists. & at that point I just imagine all the money this album made & how many better things it could be used for... like buying gold-plated toilet paper, or using the bills as frisbees for your dog, or throwing pennies at passersby & running away.
I mean hey, this album's supposed to be about economics, right? I think this is the most valid point this album's made thus far.
Track 9: On Queue
"Tell me, remind me" God damnit, stop making me think of better songs.
Anyway, there's not really a lot to talk about with this one. I mean sure, it's long, drawn-out, boring, lazy, dull, uninteresting, fuck I need a thesaurus to find more synonyms for bland.
Calling this elevator music is an insult to elevators. I mean, they work hard to carry hundreds of kilos up & down every day for as long as they operate. If I were an elevator, I'd probably go on strike if I heard that my function was being compared to this song. Hey, maybe that's why they get stuck for ten hours trapping people until they either suffocate or go insane until they can finally get them out.
I mean, if you consider what they're being compared to, I'd have that reaction too.
Track 10: An Ambush Of Sadness
There are a lot of greatthings you can do in 90 seconds:
-Make your bed
-Make a coffee
-Make 90-second noodles
-Spin around in a chair
-Play 3/4 of a game of tetris
-Eat half a candy bar
-Kill yourself
The list goes on
Y'know what's not on that list?
Listening to this song
Track 11: Kicking In The Door
That elevator probably had hopes & dreams just like the rest of us, & yet they're doomed to a life of endless tedium & mundanity to solve only a slight bit of time in our everyday lives. How could we opress them of their hopes & dreams just because of their unfortunate fate?
& by "endless tedium & mundanity" I mean having song associated with you
Track 12: The Fall
& now it's time for the epic closer that'll wrap up this whole first disc on a high note & truly make us feel like we've experienced something grand with the past 47 minutes of our lives.
Okay, I have a lot of opinions on this song in particular, so allow me to express them in the most civil way I can possibly put this so that everyone involved can actually take something from this writeup & take the criticisms to hear to ensure that another mistake like this album can never happen to such a well-established singer ever again.
*ahem*
Geoff Tate is kind of a cunt
So that was the review. God knows I'm not putting myself through 2 more hours of this shit, so that'll be it for now. Hopefully you'll stay tuned to my next review where I'll either successfully finish listening to the second disc or successfully become dead as a result. I'll be fine as long as it isn't the first one.
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Bravo! I thoroughly disagree with you but I'm not a good enough writer to write my own review. I give you credit for getting through it all and writing up a well-written and humorous review.
I truly do think Geoff Tate has become more humble in the last few years. And not disliking him as a person has helped me personally enjoy the albums.
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Fuck everybody else :biggrin: :lol you like it that's all that matters right ?
And I'd go see the show if I were you. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. The band at present is a major upgrade IMO. No telling whether that will last or not, so I'd go if I were you. :metal
Amen!!
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Yeah, this is abysmal. Probably the worst song that's ever been associated with Queenryche, & that's living in a world where Saved, Hit The Black, One Life, Desert Dance, Home Again, The Voice, Slave, In The Hands Of God & all of DTC exists.
Yeah, it's that bad.
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"Tell me, remind me" God damnit, stop making me think of better songs.
:lol :rollin :lol
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I've listened to all three albums multiple times. For me, the third is the worst of the bunch. It just loses steam. I sort of get what Tate was trying to achieve, but it went all over the place. Overall, his OPM project produced a few good songs, but that was about it. From an album standpoint, TLT-fronted QR certainly has the better material.
I am curious, however, what Tate will do now that this is done. His voice HAS gotten a bit better, although nowhere near what it once was. Time will tell I guess.
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First off, before I'd even like to say anything, I'd just like to get this important piece of information out of the way first...
*ahem*
Geoff Tate is kind of a cunt
Now that everyone's caught up to speed, let's hear this shit.
Track 1: Choices
"Hmmm... what's the best way I can start this 3-hour concept album trilogy about the economic status of our current society?"
"Hmmm, how about 30 seconds of inaudible sound effects, followed by 3 minutes one repeated line that resolves in a total anticlimax thanks to the over-compressed production."
"Perfect, let's do it!"
^ This was a conversation that I doubt 2 humans have ever had in the history of our known universe. Luckily, I don't think anyone involved with this album legally counts as a human, so here we are.
Track 2: Burn
Woah, watch out Geoff, don't overdo it with the vocal performance, if you do that too much you might actually make your audience give a shit.
Anyway, this is track had potential I guess, but nothing's really done with any sense of passion or enthusiasm so it just sounds dead inside, & if I wanted to hear a song that reflects my constant mental state, I'd probably listen to nirvana or something, not a song that's supposed to be about the economic status of the US.
Track 3: Re-Inventing The Future
Oh hey, it's the single. Again, this honestly had a bit of potential. The chorus is pretty neat & I like the theme of the lyrics, but Geoff can't hold a note in the chorus longer than a nanosecond, so that's kind of a problem. On the plus side though, I hear rap's pretty big now, & a speed like that would be pretty impressive nowadays.
inb4 Geoff Tate's rap career please god don't actually let this happen
Track 4: Ready To Fly
Actually, listening to this album's making me a bit tired. I'm not sure I can do this right now. Maybe if I could justt rset my headfor al ittle whil
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Track 5: Discussion In A Smoke Filled Room
Oh shit I just remembered this album was meant to have a story.
Actually that was a lie, no I didn't
Track 6: Life or Death
Why hello there Mr. Not-Geoff-Tate. Uh, quick question, why are you actually making him look better in comparison? Honestly that's a much bigger accomplishment than most other civilisations can ever dream of. I mean, think about it, it's a natural progression...
The climbing of Mt Everest
The invention of electricity
The splitting of the atom
The discovery of a singer worse than Geoff Tate
??
idk the cure for cancer i guess?
Truly with this discovery we can advance further as a society & better the lives of millions as a result.
Track 7: The Stranger
Oh wait, nevermind, I think this song just gave cancer to everyone who listened to it. Damn, that's gotta be the fastest drop in everyone's faith in humanity since I was given a DTF account.
What's that?
Oh yeah, I had a song to talk about.
"i'm a walkin' genocide"
"make you cry, make you want your mother"
"im the best, fuck the rest"
"let's see if he takes it like a man"
Jesus, when did Geoff become an edgy teenager? At this point I'm waiting for the "psssh...nothin personnel kid"
Oh wait, that's actually in the song
fuck
Yeah, this is abysmal. Probably the worst song that's ever been associated with Queenryche, & that's living in a world where Saved, Hit The Black, One Life, Desert Dance, Home Again, The Voice, Slave, In The Hands Of God & all of DTC exists.
Yeah, it's that bad.
Track 8: Hearing Voices
Like the previous song, only longer, more boring, lazier, & basically worse in every way. I'd honestly be impressed at how fast this album turned to an "all-time worst candidate" if it weren't so sad. At this point I got an ad for a syrian refugee charity & it made me less depressed than being reminded that this album exists. & at that point I just imagine all the money this album made & how many better things it could be used for... like buying gold-plated toilet paper, or using the bills as frisbees for your dog, or throwing pennies at passersby & running away.
I mean hey, this album's supposed to be about economics, right? I think this is the most valid point this album's made thus far.
Track 9: On Queue
"Tell me, remind me" God damnit, stop making me think of better songs.
Anyway, there's not really a lot to talk about with this one. I mean sure, it's long, drawn-out, boring, lazy, dull, uninteresting, fuck I need a thesaurus to find more synonyms for bland.
Calling this elevator music is an insult to elevators. I mean, they work hard to carry hundreds of kilos up & down every day for as long as they operate. If I were an elevator, I'd probably go on strike if I heard that my function was being compared to this song. Hey, maybe that's why they get stuck for ten hours trapping people until they either suffocate or go insane until they can finally get them out.
I mean, if you consider what they're being compared to, I'd have that reaction too.
Track 10: An Ambush Of Sadness
There are a lot of greatthings you can do in 90 seconds:
-Make your bed
-Make a coffee
-Make 90-second noodles
-Spin around in a chair
-Play 3/4 of a game of tetris
-Eat half a candy bar
-Kill yourself
The list goes on
Y'know what's not on that list?
Listening to this song
Track 11: Kicking In The Door
That elevator probably had hopes & dreams just like the rest of us, & yet they're doomed to a life of endless tedium & mundanity to solve only a slight bit of time in our everyday lives. How could we opress them of their hopes & dreams just because of their unfortunate fate?
& by "endless tedium & mundanity" I mean having song associated with you
Track 12: The Fall
& now it's time for the epic closer that'll wrap up this whole first disc on a high note & truly make us feel like we've experienced something grand with the past 47 minutes of our lives.
Okay, I have a lot of opinions on this song in particular, so allow me to express them in the most civil way I can possibly put this so that everyone involved can actually take something from this writeup & take the criticisms to hear to ensure that another mistake like this album can never happen to such a well-established singer ever again.
*ahem*
Geoff Tate is kind of a cunt
So that was the review. God knows I'm not putting myself through 2 more hours of this shit, so that'll be it for now. Hopefully you'll stay tuned to my next review where I'll either successfully finish listening to the second disc or successfully become dead as a result. I'll be fine as long as it isn't the first one.
THIS. IS. BRILLIANT! BRAVO, SIR!!! :metal
The elevator part especially had me :rollin :rollin :rollin
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THIS. IS. BRILLIANT! BRAVO, SIR!!! :metal
The elevator part especially had me :rollin :rollin :rollin
Thanks. Y'know, it's responses like these that really inspire me to go & seek out the next disc of the trilogy & put my all into a review of that too.
(you can take that as a complement or an insult)
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THIS. IS. BRILLIANT! BRAVO, SIR!!! :metal
The elevator part especially had me :rollin :rollin :rollin
Thanks. Y'know, it's responses like these that really inspire me to go & seek out the next disc of the trilogy & put my all into a review of that too.
(you can take that as a complement or an insult)
It's almost touching. The torture you're willing to endure just to bring a few laughs to the rest of us. Not sure I'd be that selfless. ;D
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Okay, I've tried listening to disc 2 a few times now & honestly I don't know what to say. This album's fucking boring. It's just so *there* that there's nothing to talk about. At least with the first album I could focus on certain actively-bad things about the songs & make jokes about them. Here, it's such middle-of-the-road nothingness that I feel like I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard at any given moment (& I already made that joke it the first review). So honestly I'm at a loss for what I should do. Do I leave the first review as is & let it stand on its own, or do I try to force enough comedy to gather reviews of the whole trilogy. I have the first 7 tracks (i.e. 3 songs) written up so I guess I could still share that, but yeah, this ain't givin' me anything to work off of. :mehlin
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Okay, I've tried listening to disc 2 a few times now & honestly I don't know what to say. This album's fucking boring. It's just so *there* that there's nothing to talk about. At least with the first album I could focus on certain actively-bad things about the songs & make jokes about them. Here, it's such middle-of-the-road nothingness that I feel like I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard at any given moment (& I already made that joke it the first review). So honestly I'm at a loss for what I should do. Do I leave the first review as is & let it stand on its own, or do I try to force enough comedy to gather reviews of the whole trilogy. I have the first 7 tracks (i.e. 3 songs) written up so I guess I could still share that, but yeah, this ain't givin' me anything to work off of. :mehlin
Did you like the song "the fight" at all. Or was it just a fight to stay awake? :)
I actually like that song and it was really brought to life for me when I saw him perform it live on his acoustic tour.
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Okay, I've tried listening to disc 2 a few times now & honestly I don't know what to say. This album's fucking boring. It's just so *there* that there's nothing to talk about. At least with the first album I could focus on certain actively-bad things about the songs & make jokes about them. Here, it's such middle-of-the-road nothingness that I feel like I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard at any given moment (& I already made that joke it the first review). So honestly I'm at a loss for what I should do. Do I leave the first review as is & let it stand on its own, or do I try to force enough comedy to gather reviews of the whole trilogy. I have the first 7 tracks (i.e. 3 songs) written up so I guess I could still share that, but yeah, this ain't givin' me anything to work off of. :mehlin
Did you like the song "the fight" at all. Or was it just a fight to stay awake? :)
I actually like that song and it was really brought to life for me when I saw him perform it live on his acoustic tour.
Probably the only track on that album worth remembering. With better production it could've been great, but it's just kinda "ok" with how compressed the 2nd disc is.
I also skipped ahead to disc 3 & I have to say, I honestly kind of enjoyed it. I mean, it does feel a bit aimless at points, & there is a bit of filler (it should've ended after AFW), but the production is great & for once it actually feels like GT had a vision for what it was actually going to be. A welcome change if you ask me. :tup
That also got me thinking though, what would a version of the trilogy without all the filler/dead-weight look like? I thought about it for a little while & I came up with this tracklist.
1. Choices (w/o first minute)
2. Burn
3. Re-Inventing The Future
4. Life Or Death
5. Left For Dead
6. Miles Away (w/o drum intro)
7. The Fight
8. Invincible (w/o first minute & last 90 seconds)
9. Wake Me Up
10. It Was Always You
11. My Eyes
12. All For What (w/o first minute)
(Total: 54:49)
(edit: I've probably edited this more times than necessary, but I'm trying to get it just right, so bear with me :justjen)
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The Fight is a really great song, honestly. I enjoy it quite a bit.
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Okay, I've tried listening to disc 2 a few times now & honestly I don't know what to say. This album's fucking boring. It's just so *there* that there's nothing to talk about. At least with the first album I could focus on certain actively-bad things about the songs & make jokes about them. Here, it's such middle-of-the-road nothingness that I feel like I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard at any given moment (& I already made that joke it the first review). So honestly I'm at a loss for what I should do. Do I leave the first review as is & let it stand on its own, or do I try to force enough comedy to gather reviews of the whole trilogy. I have the first 7 tracks (i.e. 3 songs) written up so I guess I could still share that, but yeah, this ain't givin' me anything to work off of. :mehlin
Did you like the song "the fight" at all. Or was it just a fight to stay awake? :)
I actually like that song and it was really brought to life for me when I saw him perform it live on his acoustic tour.
Probably the only track on that album worth remembering. With better production it could've been great, but it's just kinda "ok" with how compressed the 2nd disc is.
I also skipped ahead to disc 3 & I have to say, I honestly kind of enjoyed it. I mean, it does feel a bit aimless at points, & there is a bit of filler (it should've ended after AFW), but the production is great & for once it actually feels like GT had a vision for what it was actually going to be. A welcome change if you ask me. :tup
That also got me thinking though, what would a version of the trilogy without all the filler/dead-weight look like? I thought about it for a little while & I came up with this tracklist.
1. Choices (w/o first 30 seconds)
2. Burn
3. Re-Inventing The Future
4. Life Or Death
5. Left For Dead
6. Miles Away (w/o drum intro)
7. The Fight
8. Invincible
9. Wake Me Up
10. It Was Always You
11. Under Control
12. My Eyes
13. All For What
(Total: 62:51)
(edit: I've probably edited this more times than necessary, but I'm trying to get it just right, so bear with me :justjen)
That is a cool idea, I may make a housework playlist out of that list. Thanks for the idea. :)
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I took in Tate's 30th Anniversary of Mindcrime show last night at a little theater. He sounded pretty good for about half the show, and there was a lot of energy.
I really preferred the acoustic show in 2017 a lot more, however. I felt this time around, the vibe was just too loose for a production of Mindcrime. If you want to read the review, here it is:
https://anybodylistening.net/gt-8-15-18-omc.html
That link has the review, and a few videos I shot. Enjoy.
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He sounded pretty good on The Mission. Not bad on Breaking the Silence either, considering both how difficult it is and how late in the set it shows up. He sounded awful on Best I Can.
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal. I thought it was very good. Great energy, he sounded I thought very good and he really does have great stage presence. I agree about liking the acoustic tour better, better because of it's diversity and it felt more personal.
Nice review Samsara. I agree with the choice of his daughter for Mary but I found it somewhat sweet that he gets to sing a duet with his daughter every night. He seemed like a proud poppa. She was working the merch booth and seemed like a nice person.
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal. I thought it was very good. Great energy, he sounded I thought very good and he really does have great stage presence. I agree about liking the acoustic tour better, better because of it's diversity and it felt more personal.
Nice review Samsara. I agree with the choice of his daughter for Mary but I found it somewhat sweet that he gets to sing a duet with his daughter every night. He seemed like a proud poppa. She was working the merch booth and seemed like a nice person.
Hey Bill!
Thanks. :) It was fun, but yeah, I liked the acoustic show more. Tate seems to me to be absolutely at peace with himself, his career, and what he's doing, and it shows in some of the effort he has been making.
As for the nepotism -- not a fan at all. Never have been, never will be. I totally get why it is done (financially and personally). And it is his own name, not Queensryche, so I don't have AS big an issue with it. But stuff would sound a WHOLE lot better if some better care is taken with who is representing that material.
Anyway, not a wasted evening. Seen worse shows, seen better shows. If he did a similar tour with Empire in 2020 (if he and QR don't reunite by then -- I still say if promoters offer good money, they will) with this band...i mean I'd PROBABLY go if it was similar to what I just saw last night. But I'm not sure.
Frankly, I'd like a tour (this is just me being selfish) of him doing Q2k and American Soldier material next year year (20 and 10 anniversaries for both). But that would likely never happen, because promoters probably wouldn't be interested in such a thing. But you never know. Lord knows current QR isn't ever going to play those records again.
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal. I thought it was very good. Great energy, he sounded I thought very good and he really does have great stage presence. I agree about liking the acoustic tour better, better because of it's diversity and it felt more personal.
Nice review Samsara. I agree with the choice of his daughter for Mary but I found it somewhat sweet that he gets to sing a duet with his daughter every night. He seemed like a proud poppa. She was working the merch booth and seemed like a nice person.
Hey Bill!
Thanks. :) It was fun, but yeah, I liked the acoustic show more. Tate seems to me to be absolutely at peace with himself, his career, and what he's doing, and it shows in some of the effort he has been making.
As for the nepotism -- not a fan at all. Never have been, never will be. I totally get why it is done (financially and personally). And it is his own name, not Queensryche, so I don't have AS big an issue with it. But stuff would sound a WHOLE lot better if some better care is taken with who is representing that material.
Anyway, not a wasted evening. Seen worse shows, seen better shows. If he did a similar tour with Empire in 2020 (if he and QR don't reunite by then -- I still say if promoters offer good money, they will) with this band...i mean I'd PROBABLY go if it was similar to what I just saw last night. But I'm not sure.
Frankly, I'd like a tour (this is just me being selfish) of him doing Q2k and American Soldier material next year year (20 and 10 anniversaries for both). But that would likely never happen, because promoters probably wouldn't be interested in such a thing. But you never know. Lord knows current QR isn't ever going to play those records again.
I think on some interview he said he was touring with Avantasia next year, but I can confirm. Here is him singing one of their songs with him. Sounds pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwA0rqw6d4
I would see an Empire tour or Promised Land. Even one where it was a mixed setlist like before. His voice is better than it has been in a while, might as well ride the wave. My Tate bucket list song is to hear Someone Else live, either him solo or if he reunited with QR. Quite frankly I don't think he would play any bigger places or draw any bigger crowds. All that is left of QR of the original members is Wilton and Jackson. I am big fans of them but I don't think they are going to draw a big crowd.
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If he can pull it off, a smart thing for him to do might be to try to get into Tobi's regular rotation and do more songs. If he could get a major role on the next album instead of a one-song role, and maybe take on a role as one of the major singers on tour, that could be a pretty good paying gig for him for a little while. Probably better than what he is currently doing playing these tiny places in the states.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
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I am in that boat as well, Kev. But I can't hold it against anyone who has moved on and doesn't have a problem seeing him.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
I did not for a while because of that reason. Going back to the cabaret shows and his first few solo tours. I then started watching some interviews with him when I heard he was doing an accoustic tour and he seemed like a changed man.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
I felt the same way at first, Kev. And I don't at all condone his actions, both physically and fiscally, against his former bandmates. But for me, personally, a few things transpired over the last year that helped get over everything as a fan. Not the least of which was Tate visiting with the band at the festival in the summer, and giving credit to the singer who replaced him. I thought that was a classy move. You can't change the past. But after some time, it sorta hit me that I shouldn't stop enjoying music just because the people who made it ended up not being the saints (and I am talking all of them, not just Tate) you thought they were. I was glad to see some healing, and it helped me move forward.
I am so very glad I went to Tate's acoustic show. And while I didn't have AS good a time this week as I did at the acoustic gig last year, it reminded me why I was a fan in the first place.
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Sounds like a decent show. I'd probably have gone to see this tour, if I weren't limiting my concert attendance for the time being. I haven't seen Tate sing since 2006.
For a while, I couldn't even listen to the original albums after Geoff and the band split. But with enough time past and my interest in the current band waning, I binged on a lot of QR within the past year and found myself loving the albums like I did when I first got into the band. I probably hadn't listened to those records for 5 years at least. I've had experiences in my family where people holding grudges overshadowed some things and I've learned to just move on and not care about that stuff. So holding any grudge against a singer that acted like a jerk six years ago just seems incredibly silly - it's just music.
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Could have seen him in DC or Baltimore in front of a crowd of 250 or so this summer. Decided instead to take a cruise to Key West and Havana.
Good decision on our part ;)
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal.
Coach House or Big Bear? I was at the former.
I'm not sure I like Empire well enough to see any sort of anniversary show. "Best I Can," "Another Rainy Night," Resistance," "Hand on Heart," and "Anybody Listening" are the only songs I really enjoy, but I guess that's nearly half of the album, so maybe. I'd like to see a bunch of stuff from the EP and The Warning, but I don't know if he can pull it off.
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal.
Coach House or Big Bear? I was at the former.
I'm not sure I like Empire well enough to see any sort of anniversary show. "Best I Can," "Another Rainy Night," Resistance," "Hand on Heart," and "Anybody Listening" are the only songs I really enjoy, but I guess that's nearly half of the album, so maybe. I'd like to see a bunch of stuff from the EP and The Warning, but I don't know if he can pull it off.
Coach house. I like the venue kind of hate the seating in the dinner area, pretty cramped. Still a great show and nice to see the show pretty close. I was wearing a Clockwork Angels Tshirt
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
I'd be more likely to go if it was a solo show, but I've been done with seeing Queensryche in any form for a long time now.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
I'd be more likely to go if it was a solo show, but I've been done with seeing Queensryche in any form for a long time now.
I'm with Kev. I wouldn't go to this show unless you paid me. And even then, I would only go if I could tell Taint to his face that I didn't pay for the show, and only came so I could tell him he sucked.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
I'd be more likely to go if it was a solo show, but I've been done with seeing Queensryche in any form for a long time now.
I'm with Kev. I wouldn't go to this show unless you paid me. And even then, I would only go if I could tell Taint to his face that I didn't pay for the show, and only came so I could tell him he sucked.
I'm sure he'd appreciate that.
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I thought I posted here, but I guess it was on another thread. I also saw his 30th Mind crime tour in So Cal.
Coach House or Big Bear? I was at the former.
I'm not sure I like Empire well enough to see any sort of anniversary show. "Best I Can," "Another Rainy Night," Resistance," "Hand on Heart," and "Anybody Listening" are the only songs I really enjoy, but I guess that's nearly half of the album, so maybe. I'd like to see a bunch of stuff from the EP and The Warning, but I don't know if he can pull it off.
Coach house. I like the venue kind of hate the seating in the dinner area, pretty cramped. Still a great show and nice to see the show pretty close. I was wearing a Clockwork Angels Tshirt
That's about my feeling as well. We were in the booth in the back to the far left (from the perspective of looking toward the stage). Good steak, four bottles of Guiness, and an unexpectedly good show. All in all, it was a great Friday night.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
Tate's a douchbeag. Nobody argues that. At the same time I read through all of the depositions, including those of generally neutral parties, and came away thinking that he was getting way too much share of the blame on that whole deal. As we see all around us now in current events, trying to be fair about something that people are emotional about never really gets you anywhere, and that was the case with the whole breakup. People have moved on now, dead set in their interpretation of things.
In any case, I won't go to see him because he can't sing anymore. That's all the reason I need. Also, how much longer is he going to milk O:M. A 30th anniversary would make sense, except that he's been rehashing it every other year for the last 20.
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Not to be judgmental, but after everything he has done, I am a little stunned that anyone with knowledge of the shit he has pulled would go see and give money to Geoff Tate. I know, I know, it's all about the music, but still, you couldn't pay me to go see that guy.
Tate's a douchbeag. Nobody argues that. At the same time I read through all of the depositions, including those of generally neutral parties, and came away thinking that he was getting way too much share of the blame on that whole deal. As we see all around us now in current events, trying to be fair about something that people are emotional about never really gets you anywhere, and that was the case with the whole breakup. People have moved on now, dead set in their interpretation of things.
In any case, I won't go to see him because he can't sing anymore. That's all the reason I need. Also, how much longer is he going to milk O:M. A 30th anniversary would make sense, except that he's been rehashing it every other year for the last 20.
Pretty much this.
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My wife won't go see him for the same reason - she doesn't want to ruin her memories. While Tate IS singing better (he's probably a step below the high mark he was at during 2005 when QR opened for Priest and did all the old stuff), he's still not great. He has a couple of great moments. And my wife just wants to preserve what she remembers, as opposed to what is. I can completely respect that.
For me, it doesn't bother me AS much, as long as the effort is there to genuinely deliver, and it has been (unlike the latter years of his tenure with QR), and if the performance is an overall decent one. A buddy of mine boiled it down to this - if you go, and you have a good time, isn't that what it's about. When I saw him sing on the acoustic tour in 2017, I had a good time, and that led me to this current tour. I didn't have AS good a time, but it was still fun, and the effort was there. So, if Tate does not reunite with QR, and ends up trotting out Empire in 2020 with a similar band, I'll probably go see it. I'd prefer QR do it with Tate (I dislike La Torre's voice on stuff post-Mindcrime), but if it ends up being Tate and his band, as long as YouTube shows they are playing that material decently, I'd likely go and enjoy it for what it is (cheap entertainment with a smaller crowd).
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Sam, as close as you have been to QR over the years, that's great how you are approaching it. I think you said the key word in all of this.....genuine.
Does Queensryche playing the same old songs feel genuine to anybody?? Now I don't behoove anyone of making a living, and if I'm not going to judge them, why would I judge Tate going forward?
To me, my ears will tell me what I like and what I don't like. The fact that Phil Mogg and Michael Schenker got in fist fights does not stop me from loving either. I get what it means to be a real fan. A deep fan. Yes the music always comes first, but to go to the next level as a fan, you need to have a certain respect for the artist. I feel like as time goes on, this should help Tate, as long as he does indeed come across as genuine.
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The main band is ok live. Even though its mainly old hit songs. The one thing I don't enjoy though is the shortened Empire.
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The main band is ok live. Even though its mainly old hit songs. The one thing I don't enjoy though is the shortened Empire.
Shortened? Do you mean the omission of Geoff's rap about early 90s fiscal policy as it relates to law enforcement? That's the worst part of that song, and I was happy he left it out and used it as sort of a generic crowd interaction segment.
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The main band is ok live. Even though its mainly old hit songs. The one thing I don't enjoy though is the shortened Empire.
Shortened? Do you mean the omission of Geoff's rap about early 90s fiscal policy as it relates to law enforcement? That's the worst part of that song, and I was happy he left it out and used it as sort of a generic crowd interaction segment.
The build up to the solo is why I like that part. It sounds sudden without it.
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The main band is ok live. Even though its mainly old hit songs. The one thing I don't enjoy though is the shortened Empire.
Shortened? Do you mean the omission of Geoff's rap about early 90s fiscal policy as it relates to law enforcement? That's the worst part of that song, and I was happy he left it out and used it as sort of a generic crowd interaction segment.
I like that part; I don't even listen to the actual words; it becomes like a Yes song at that point. It's the rhythm and the sound and the buildup.
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That is the bridge in "Empire." When released in 1990, the lyrics were generally timely. But musically, I think they should always keep it. It has a really nice mood to it, and the build up to the solo.
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The main band is ok live. Even though its mainly old hit songs. The one thing I don't enjoy though is the shortened Empire.
Shortened? Do you mean the omission of Geoff's rap about early 90s fiscal policy as it relates to law enforcement? That's the worst part of that song, and I was happy he left it out and used it as sort of a generic crowd interaction segment.
I like that part; I don't even listen to the actual words; it becomes like a Yes song at that point. It's the rhythm and the sound and the buildup.
The words are (and, IMO, always were) so dumb that they are, for me, impossible to ignore. Of course, I'm not a huge fan of the song as a whole, so....
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Funny. I never bothered to fact-check Tate on those numbers, but I suppose back in the mid-80s he was likely correct. But that song was used as a rallying cry for law enforcement to an extent (I have friends who are cops who consider the song to be pro-law enforcement). I don't mind the words so much because of that, even if they are dated by 30+ years.
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Funny. I never bothered to fact-check Tate on those numbers, but I suppose back in the mid-80s he was likely correct. But that song was used as a rallying cry for law enforcement to an extent (I have friends who are cops who consider the song to be pro-law enforcement). I don't mind the words so much because of that, even if they are dated by 30+ years.
Taken outside of the context of the song, the spoken word segment/rap is neutral because it merely recites data. I have always assumed the point was to state that the federal government spends too little on law enforcement (which I guess is a pro-law enforcement point). Even if I assume the data is accurate (and I'm skeptical that something that "accounted for . . . six percent of all federal spending" actually "ranked last in terms of absolute dollars"), the part I always found dumb was contrasting federal law enforcement spending with federal spending for national defense and space exploration. Both of those areas are exclusively in the province of the federal government (national defense being constitutionally exclusive to the federal government), whereas law enforcement is done by the federal, state and local governments. It also felt a little like I was listening to a CNN broadcast, and regardless of how I might have felt about the subject, it always felt silly for a metal band to be feeding me this information.
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Funny. I never bothered to fact-check Tate on those numbers, but I suppose back in the mid-80s he was likely correct. But that song was used as a rallying cry for law enforcement to an extent (I have friends who are cops who consider the song to be pro-law enforcement). I don't mind the words so much because of that, even if they are dated by 30+ years.
Taken outside of the context of the song, the spoken word segment/rap is neutral because it merely recites data. I have always assumed the point was to state that the federal government spends too little on law enforcement (which I guess is a pro-law enforcement point). Even if I assume the data is accurate (and I'm skeptical that something that "accounted for . . . six percent of all federal spending" actually "ranked last in terms of absolute dollars"), the part I always found dumb was contrasting federal law enforcement spending with federal spending for national defense and space exploration. Both of those areas are exclusively in the province of the federal government (national defense being constitutionally exclusive to the federal government), whereas law enforcement is done by the federal, state and local governments. It also felt a little like I was listening to a CNN broadcast, and regardless of how I might have felt about the subject, it always felt silly for a metal band to be feeding me this information.
Good analogy. It would be funny if evert night during that part he read some sports scores.
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Funny. I never bothered to fact-check Tate on those numbers, but I suppose back in the mid-80s he was likely correct. But that song was used as a rallying cry for law enforcement to an extent (I have friends who are cops who consider the song to be pro-law enforcement). I don't mind the words so much because of that, even if they are dated by 30+ years.
Taken outside of the context of the song, the spoken word segment/rap is neutral because it merely recites data. I have always assumed the point was to state that the federal government spends too little on law enforcement (which I guess is a pro-law enforcement point). Even if I assume the data is accurate (and I'm skeptical that something that "accounted for . . . six percent of all federal spending" actually "ranked last in terms of absolute dollars"), the part I always found dumb was contrasting federal law enforcement spending with federal spending for national defense and space exploration. Both of those areas are exclusively in the province of the federal government (national defense being constitutionally exclusive to the federal government), whereas law enforcement is done by the federal, state and local governments. It also felt a little like I was listening to a CNN broadcast, and regardless of how I might have felt about the subject, it always felt silly for a metal band to be feeding me this information.
I'm pretty sure he says "a sixth percent of all federal spending", so 0.167%. If it was actually 6%, that wouldn't make sense because how could you spend 43 times more on defence if 43 * 6 is more than 100.
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I wasn't informed there would be math on this test. I fail. :lol
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Funny. I never bothered to fact-check Tate on those numbers, but I suppose back in the mid-80s he was likely correct. But that song was used as a rallying cry for law enforcement to an extent (I have friends who are cops who consider the song to be pro-law enforcement). I don't mind the words so much because of that, even if they are dated by 30+ years.
Taken outside of the context of the song, the spoken word segment/rap is neutral because it merely recites data. I have always assumed the point was to state that the federal government spends too little on law enforcement (which I guess is a pro-law enforcement point). Even if I assume the data is accurate (and I'm skeptical that something that "accounted for . . . six percent of all federal spending" actually "ranked last in terms of absolute dollars"), the part I always found dumb was contrasting federal law enforcement spending with federal spending for national defense and space exploration. Both of those areas are exclusively in the province of the federal government (national defense being constitutionally exclusive to the federal government), whereas law enforcement is done by the federal, state and local governments. It also felt a little like I was listening to a CNN broadcast, and regardless of how I might have felt about the subject, it always felt silly for a metal band to be feeding me this information.
I'm pretty sure he says "a sixth percent of all federal spending", so 0.167%. If it was actually 6%, that wouldn't make sense because how could you spend 43 times more on defence if 43 * 6 is more than 100.
I don't have my CD booklet handy (and I don't remember if the lyrics in the booklet include the spoken part), but every source I found has the spoken part as follows:
"In fiscal year 1986 to 87, local, state and federal governments spent a combined total of sixty point six million dollars on law enforcement. Federal law enforcement expenditures ranked last in absolute dollars and accounted for only six percent of all federal spending. By way of comparison, the federal government spent twenty-four million more on space exploration and forty-three times more on national defense and international relations than on law enforcement."
And that's what it sounds like to me (i.e., I hear "six," not "sixth"). If, in fact, it says "accounted for only [a] sixth percent of all federal spending," that would be horribly bad writing. However, your point about the government spending "forty-three times more on national defense and international relations" is well taken, and all of this buttresses my point about why I don't like this section. Even if the numbers are correct, the point is misguided, and I don't need or want a metal bend lecturing me about federal fiscal policy. If the numbers are wrong, then it's even worse.
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Eh, to me, it feels more like a plea to the federal government to help out local communities with law enforcement - i.e., here's how much the government spent on defense and space exploration compared to how little they help us out at home, where people are dying from gang violence.
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Eh, to me, it feels more like a plea to the federal government to help out local communities with law enforcement - i.e., here's how much the government spent on defense and space exploration compared to how little they help us out at home, where people are dying from gang violence.
That's how I always took it too.
p.s. PG - thanks for writing it out. I just realized I never had that quote on my site from that song (just to clarify what is being said). I'll add it next time I do an update. I'm impatiently waiting for the 180 gram double LP of Empire to arrive today, along with AiC's new record (which has DeGarmo on a track).
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Eh, to me, it feels more like a plea to the federal government to help out local communities with law enforcement - i.e., here's how much the government spent on defense and space exploration compared to how little they help us out at home, where people are dying from gang violence.
Right. And while I generally agree with this:
I don't need or want a metal bend lecturing me about federal fiscal policy.
I'm not completely put off by some general commentary in moderation. It fits in context of the track, plus no matter what the lyrics say, I think it's a really cool part.
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Eh, to me, it feels more like a plea to the federal government to help out local communities with law enforcement - i.e., here's how much the government spent on defense and space exploration compared to how little they help us out at home, where people are dying from gang violence.
That's how I always took it too.
p.s. PG - thanks for writing it out. I just realized I never had that quote on my site from that song (just to clarify what is being said). I'll add it next time I do an update. I'm impatiently waiting for the 180 gram double LP of Empire to arrive today, along with AiC's new record (which has DeGarmo on a track).
I heard some of their new album, it's pretty good. I didn't know DeGarmo played on it.
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Eh, to me, it feels more like a plea to the federal government to help out local communities with law enforcement - i.e., here's how much the government spent on defense and space exploration compared to how little they help us out at home, where people are dying from gang violence.
That's how I always took it too.
p.s. PG - thanks for writing it out. I just realized I never had that quote on my site from that song (just to clarify what is being said). I'll add it next time I do an update. I'm impatiently waiting for the 180 gram double LP of Empire to arrive today, along with AiC's new record (which has DeGarmo on a track).
I heard some of their new album, it's pretty good. I didn't know DeGarmo played on it.
He's not credited as a musician in the liner notes. But he plays the acoustic guitar in "Drones." Jerry wrote the part, but apparently couldn't get it right in the studio, so he asked Chris to do it. He called it a "spider-like chord," and given Chris' long fingers, it was probably easier for Chris to do. It's a cool part. Nothing huge, but you can tell it is Chris -- just not something he would write. But the tone is there.
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On February 16, Geoff Tate will be performing a gig with his Operation: Mindcrime band as the direct support to Fifth Angel, who is appearing at the Metal Assault Festival in Germany.
The kicker? Tate is apparently doing an old school metal set, composed of Queensryche songs from the EP through Rage. Honestly? Tate sings better, and his band is better, but I'm curious how they are going to pull this off.
www.facebook.com/metalassaultfestival
I mean, if I lived nearby, I'd go, as I am a huge fan of Fifth Angel, and I had a good time the last two times (this year and last year) I saw Tate perform. But despite Tate singing much better, this is going to take some effort. Sure. the songs will be downtuned, but I can't see them downtuning more than a half step, otherwise the songs will sound like mud. Tate better eat his Wheaties. :lol
Also makes me believe, given no Mindcrime, and no Empire, that Tate plans to go tour on Empire in 2020.
Should be a cool festival. If he pulls off this early QR material set decently, I'd be interested in seeing this stateside, after his Avantasia tour concludes.
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"Tate sings better..."
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I have been a HUGE fan and follower since the EP, and I haven't heard Tate sing as well as TLT in over 10 years.
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"Tate sings better..."
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I have been a HUGE fan and follower since the EP, and I haven't heard Tate sing as well as TLT in over 10 years.
I don't know if that's the correct comparison he was referring to. I read it as "Tate sings better [now, than he has in years past] and his band is better [than previous versions of his band]"
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"Tate sings better..."
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I have been a HUGE fan and follower since the EP, and I haven't heard Tate sing as well as TLT in over 10 years.
As I have been as well. I wasn't comparing the two in my original post. Why are you? But since you wish to compare, La Torre has better high range. But his voice is thinner, and as a result, I don't think his voice is suited to really sing anything from Empire and PL. Today, I'd take Tate over La Torre on most stuff Mindcrime through PL. Whereas, La Torre has an edge on the EP-Rage.
But honestly? I don't care. This shouldn't be a comparison thing. This thread isn't about current era Queensryche. It's about Tate's band, and what they are doing.
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"Tate sings better..."
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I have been a HUGE fan and follower since the EP, and I haven't heard Tate sing as well as TLT in over 10 years.
I don't know if that's the correct comparison he was referring to. I read it as "Tate sings better [now, than he has in years past] and his band is better [than previous versions of his band]"
Yes. This. I wasn't even comparing the two at all. I just meant Tate is singing better, and his band is playing better these days in comparison to six or seven years ago.
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Ok...I retract the comparison and simply state that I haven't heard Tate sing decently in over 10 years.
How far has he tuned down the music to make it work?
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Ok...I retract the comparison and simply state that I haven't heard Tate sing decently in over 10 years.
How far has he tuned down the music to make it work?
Too far in some cases. I mean, I saw him on the American Soldier tour in 2009, and half the stuff was a half-step, which was fine. I saw him again acoustically in 2017, so eight years later. He sounded pretty good. Then this year, I saw him do all of Mindcrime, plus some Empire tunes. Sounded like everything was was at least a half-step. And Tate had some good moments, and some cringe moments. The music was OK, but at some points it sounded a bit muddy.
So I'm not quite sure how he's going to pull off a show of stuff from EP-Rage, exclusively. I mean, that's essentially like James doing I&W live, and poor JLB had a rough go of that last year. But Tate has had some really positive and better performances, so my fingers are crossed that those in attendance at this festival get a good singing performance by Tate.
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But really, it just comes down to "Tate isn't singing as poorly as he used to," which isn't nearly a ringing endorsement.
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But really, it just comes down to "Tate isn't singing as poorly as he used to," which isn't nearly a ringing endorsement.
Personally, I don't think he's singing poorly at all these days. The effort is there. Some nights he's on, some nights he's not. I'd say he was singing poorly during the split, but since about summer 2016, he's really started to sing more like the Tate we remember. Again, not 1991, or even 2005 Priest tour, but much better. And that's not "poor."
And damn it, don't make me defend Tate. I just want the narrative to be as fair as possible. :lol
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My limited observation: Tate sounded GREAT when I saw him a couple months ago. I didn't go in with any expectations, and came away being so impressed. If the material was downtuned, it wasn't so significantly that I noticed or was bothered by it.
I haven't really followed QR since Tate left, but the clips I've seen of La Torre doing classic QR material live have not impressed me in the slightest. Maybe I'll change my opinion after/if I see the QR/FW show next March.
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Couple of weeks until this festival, and I haven't really seen any commentary anywhere about it. It's not a big thing (capacity is 2,000), and Fifth Angel (who is more of a cult metal band) is headlining, so i don't expect a lot of fanfare.
That said, I would have expected the allure of "songs til Mindcrime" (again, not sure if that means EP-Rage or EP THROUGH Mindcrime) would at least have people raise an eyebrow. I mean, it could be awesome, or it could be a colossal train wreck. If I was a betting man, I'd say closer to that train wreck, because there is no way on God's green Earth those early songs can be pulled off well vocally unless Geoff has fully dedicated himself to vocal training. Even if they are all dropped (which I think should be expected), that shit is difficult.
The 2005 summer tour Queensryche did with Judas Priest featured a similar set, with mostly EP-Rage stuff, with Empire and a couple of Tribe songs thrown in. That sounded great, and most of it was dropped a half-step, and Tate modified stuff (such as unfortunately singing a lower harmony line instead of the higher lead vocal in The Whisper) to make it work. But it worked.
But now, 14 years later, firing all that up again? After years of not really singing that stuff? I mean, Tate has surprised me before, but uh...that's a tall ask, I think. I am hoping he pulls it off, but I dunno.
Be interesting to see what kind of set he does. Personally, I'd really like to see some stuff neither he or QR have done in a really long time.
Here's a few I'm hoping are in the set:
No Sanctuary - I was at the last, or one of the last two performances of this song by Queensryche - June 2001 in Seattle. Fan Club show. It was pretty cool to hear.
Deliverance - Last played in 1987 (seriously). Not even the current band has done it. Not sure why, other than the vocals ARE difficult. But I mean, I really did expect them to do it, and they haven't.
Scarborough Fair - The last time any version of this was played by QR was in 1992 at the unplugged session. it would be killer if it made its way, plugged-in, to the set. Not holding my breath, but would be cool.
London - QR tried this a couple of times, and frankly, its rough. There's something about the timing and the vocals in that song that just never quite sounds right. But still would be cool if they tried it. It may end up being cringe-worthy, but the whole set could be cringe-worthy, so why the hell not? :lol
I Will Remember - Tate's done this, at least acoustically in the past. Would be nice to see a full band version again.
>>>>Again, if I'm wagering, I'm saying this is going to be really tough to pull off. BUT, Tate IS going to be touring with Avantasia, and will have to up his game a bit to handle that load, range-wise. So I imagine he's been working at things. So he could surprise us.
But man, seriously, EP through Rage? That's a friggin huge ask. The one thing is he's opening for Fifth Angel, so he's got 75 minutes. That Priest tour back in 2005 -- QR got an hour, and while Tate sounded fine at the beginning and the end, now, 14 years later, he's got 15 more minutes of the same more difficult material? Man.
We'll see. February 16 is creeping closer. If I was there, I'd go, because for me, Fifth Angel and Tate are a draw. Fifth Angel should be interesting too. Their situation is always so fluid. And I'll leave it at that. :lol
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London - QR tried this a couple of times, and frankly, its rough. There's something about the timing and the vocals in that song that just never quite sounds right. But still would be cool if they tried it. It may end up being cringe-worthy, but the whole set could be cringe-worthy, so why the hell not?
I think it never quite sounds right because: (1) the studio version has so many layered vocals on the chorus that really make the song what it is, and you can't really duplicate that live (at least, not without piping in a lot of backing vocals), and (2) the part right after the solo is out of Geoff's range and has been for awhile, and it really needs to be fully belted in the proper register to have that power that is called for at that moment of the song.
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London - QR tried this a couple of times, and frankly, its rough. There's something about the timing and the vocals in that song that just never quite sounds right. But still would be cool if they tried it. It may end up being cringe-worthy, but the whole set could be cringe-worthy, so why the hell not?
I think it never quite sounds right because: (1) the studio version has so many layered vocals on the chorus that really make the song what it is, and you can't really duplicate that live (at least, not without piping in a lot of backing vocals), and (2) the part right after the solo is out of Geoff's range and has been for awhile, and it really needs to be fully belted in the proper register to have that power that is called for at that moment of the song.
Agreed on both points. Musically though, there's something missing too. I knew the vocal things, but there's something musically that always gets them out of step for some reason. I'm not really a musician, just a hack singer, so I can't pinpoint it.
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Tate played the Metal Assault Festival in Germany over the weekend. It was interesting since he did an EP-Mindcrime show. The two songs I found most curious were ones that were extremely rare - "I Dream in Infrared" and "Before the Storm."
The latter was performed by the original lineup numerous times on the Warning tour. But that was it. The year 1985 was the last time Before the Storm was performed by any lineup of Queensryche, or any member of Queensryche, until this weekend. The former, however, the original band never played live. Queensryche played it (post-DeGarmo) many times in 2009, but it has been 10 years since Tate sang it.
Unfortunately, I don't see "Before the Storm" from this weekend on YouTube yet. But we do have "I Dream in Infrared:"
https://youtu.be/eCc3LkbrTi8
Tate struggles a bit for sure, but cool to see the song. He goes for it as best he can. Band is solid musically.
Note the guitarist on the right (stage left). Notice what guitar he’s playing…I had to laugh. Wilton may not be there, but his ESP Skull Limited sure is. :lol
Anyway, interesting set by Tate:
01. Neue Regel
02. Screaming In Digital
03. Operation: Mindcrime
04. Speak
05. Spreading The Disease
06. The Mission
07. Take Hold Of The Flame
08. Before The Storm
09. I Dream In Infrared
10. The Lady Wore Black
11. Walk In The Shadows
12. Breaking The Silence
13. I Don't Believe In Love
14. Anarchy-X
15. Eyes Of A Stranger
>>>>Not sure if it is a typo or not, but it would be weird if they did Anarchy-X before Eyes of a Stranger. I think it would make more sense if it was Waiting for 22 and My Empty Room. Who knows.
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That is a great setlist and I thought he did a decent job of I Dream in Infra red. He struggles with those high notes but most would. Certainly not a train wreck and the band are excellent. Is that tri-ryche guitar? Cheeky if so 😀
I saw him.before Xmas and he did the Mindcrime setlist. I’d love to see this one.
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There is a30 second clip of Walk in the Shadows on Blabbermouth that is pretty awful.
https://youtu.be/JlDJm_XqzqU
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LOL. Just posted the German Metal Assault setlist on the QR thread
01. Neue Regel
02. Screaming In Digital
03. Operation: Mindcrime
04. Speak
05. Spreading The Disease
06. The Mission
07. Take Hold Of The Flame
08. Before The Storm
09. I Dream In Infrared
10. The Lady Wore Black
11. Walk In The Shadows
12. Breaking The Silence
13. I Don't Believe In Love
14. Anarchy-X
15. Eyes Of A Stranger
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Man, I wonder how he pulled off Before the Storm :lol
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Man, I wonder how he pulled off Before the Storm :lol
I've been scouring YouTube daily, but haven't seen anything surface. :lol
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I’ve just seen the dates for Tate’s uk your in August. He’s playing near me again so I’ll go again on the strength of last years Mindcrime show.
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Looks like Tate has a new project. Sweet Oblivion, featuring an Italian band.
Song/video for "True Colors" here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYsLG2VtTN0
I dig the tune. It is sung well, and the music is pretty damn good actually.
Here's the background:
Frontiers Music srl
43 mins ·
BREAKING NEWS: Frontiers Music Srl is excited to announce the release of an exciting new project featuring legendary former Queensrÿche and current Operation: Mindcrime singer Geoff Tate (Official) on lead vocals, entitled Sweet Oblivion Band on June 14th. The first single and video from the album, "True Colors" is out today and can be watched HERE: https://youtu.be/HYsLG2VtTN0
Pre-order the album and stream "True Colors" HERE: http://radi.al/SweetOblivion
Sweet Oblivion sees Tate teaming up with a stellar cast of Italian musicians led by Simone Mularoni, the mastermind of prog metal masters DGM. Musically, this album marks a return to the more melodic metal style for Tate and showcases a fine collection of songs highlighting the great talents of Mularoni and his cast of musicians.
Geoff Tate says, "I was approached by Frontiers to do this record and am pleased I took this chance. It’s an album filled with fun and I believe a lot of the fans who dig the old Queensryche sound will enjoy this one!”
Simone Mularoni adds, "I grew up listening to the '70s and '80s rock and metal bands and, of course, Queensryche's classic albums are among my favorites ever. Having the opportunity and luck of working together with a musical giant like Geoff Tate has been a real blessing on both the human and the artistic side. I asked a few amazing musicians and friends to help me out and together we delivered a bunch of classic heavy rock songs in which I tried to fuse a more contemporary approach with a classic Queensryche vibe… the performances are amazing!”
The opening track and first video “True Colors” sets the pace for the entire release and shows what the listeners can expect from this record. Excellent musicianship and a sound that harkens back to the massive melodies and hooks of classic albums like “Empire,” “Rage For Order”, and “Operation:Mindcrime”. Enjoy!
"Sweet Oblivion" tracklisting:
True Colors
Sweet Oblivion
Behind Your Eyes
Hide Away
My Last Story
A Recess From My Fate
Transition
Disconnect
The Deceiver
Seek The Light
Produced by: Simone Mularoni
Geoff Tate - Vocals
Simone Mularoni – Guitars and Bass
Emanuele Casali – Keyboards
Paolo Caridi – Drums
Follow Sweet Oblivion on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SweetOblivionGeoffTate/
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I really like it. Simone has been the second guitarist in Redemption and has played on the last two albums of theirs as well. So he's no slouch. :)
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That's the sort of musical style, along with the type of vocal melody, that allows Tate's voice to shine. Honestly, that's the best he's sounded on a song since Empire/PL.
And I really dig the guitar harmonics. Good stuff.
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Pretty cool song :metal
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For those who don't know Simone, check out his band DGM's most recent album, The Passage. It's an amazing progressive metal album.
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For those who don't know Simone, check out his band DGM's most recent album, The Passage. It's an amazing progressive metal album.
:metal
He also mixed and mastered Michael Romeo's War of the World's album. He has a great ear too.
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For those who don't know Simone, check out his band DGM's most recent album, The Passage. It's an amazing progressive metal album.
:metal
He also mixed and mastered Michael Romeo's War of the World's album. He has a great ear too.
Really? I had no idea, and I thought the mix on that was pretty good. That record has had some staying power for me.
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He's an unbelievable guitarist, but I've always found his songwriting a bit below par.
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Saying all that, that song was actually really good, suited Tate very well. Will definitely be checking it out.
But WTF, I thought it was Rob Halford at the start of the video.
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Saying all that, that song was actually really good, suited Tate very well. Will definitely be checking it out.
But WTF, I thought it was Rob Halford at the start of the video.
Totally looked like Rob Halford
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Isn't that racist? Not all bald, white guys with circle beard look the same! :P
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Isn't that racist? Not all bald, white guys with circle beard look the same! :P
Don't forget the sunnies.
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If it was Halford, the video would've been a three dude love triangle.
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If it was Halford, the video would've been a three dude love triangle.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Another new track from Sweet Oblivion. Another winner for me - his voice sounds really good and reminds me of the Geoff of old.
Sweet Oblivion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6489svhyBg
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Another new track from Sweet Oblivion. Another winner for me - his voice sounds really good and reminds me of the Geoff of old.
Sweet Oblivion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6489svhyBg
Interesting. I love the harmonized guitar work. Sounds like classic QR when they do that. The rhythm is more modern melodic metal, so its not just making things sound like QR. Its its own thing. Tate sounds like I would expect a 60 year old Tate to sound like if he was singing in Queensryche, with the classic band. Vocal melody is a little darker, and instead of spotlighting Tate's range, its crafted so that he can sing pretty evenly without a lot of jumps, which is what he needs these days. Really good track. I have the record pre-ordered. Looking forward to it. I probably won't listen any any more of it until I get it. :metal
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Good song - elements of QR, Allen/Lande , DGM etc..... although the song is pretty obvious in referencing Breaking The Silence.
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surprised how good Geoff's voice sounds. I hope its legit.
and yes, very BtS-ish.
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Really good song!
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"A few minutes with me inside my van..."
(https://i.imgur.com/lqWmnHh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/f7wSU7A.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/f7wSU7A.jpg)
I will now associate this face with Wot We Do
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It's wot we do.
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I'm currently listening to the Sweet Oblivion record. Color me pleasantly surprised. The description of the album pulls no punches. It says it:
The idea for Sweet Oblivion was to create a musical landscape for Tate which was akin to the sound of the metal albums he released with Queensryche during the 80s, along with some other different musical influences thrown in to sweet[en] the pot.
So yeah, its "contrived" in that the musicians, spearheaded by Simone Mularoni, purposefully wrote songs that sounded like classic Queensryche. But it works. It sounds like Mindcrime/Empire era with a modern riffage twist, with Tate's voice about the quality that he had on Q2k 20 years ago, and more currently, with Avantasia. Not really rangy except in a spot or two, but mixed well, and he sounds confident. It's good. "Recess From My Fate," is one of the up-tempo rockers (think Needle Lies/Speak, but maybe just a hair slower). I'm listening to it as I type this.
If you liked stuff from Queensryche from 1988-1992, and similar stuff say from Fates Warning from Parallels era to Inside Out, and you thought Geoff's voice on Q2k was solid and were ok without him going into the stratosphere, then honest to goodness, go get the record when it comes out. It's pretty good.
I'll probably do an actual review of it for my Screaming in Digital blog on AnybodyListening.net (www.anybodylistening.net/scream.html)
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I liked the song released so will have to check it out.
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Here's the review. It is, to my knowledge, one of the first ones out there:
http://www.anybodylistening.net/sweetoblivion.html
Link to full blog table of contents (if you want to read a bunch of QR-related blogs/reviews): http://www.anybodylistening.net/scream.html
Regarding Tate. The best comparison is -- he successfully has done what Ray Alder did. He maximizes his melodic delivery and tone, instead of trying to hit high notes. It worked for Alder, and with Sweet Oblivion, it works for Tate. If you like Tate with Avantasia, you'll really dig Sweet Oblivion.
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Nice review! I'll be checking this out for sure.
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Brian, you've got me interested in this!
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Thanks for checking it out guys.
:metal
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Great review, this sounds quite interesting
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I'm buying tickets for Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime show next month on Long Island, and I noticed on the venue's website that Geoff is billing himself as a "multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter." I might be splitting hairs, but isn't Queensrÿche the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated act and not Geoff himself? It seems misleading for him to phrase it that way. The proper description would be to call him the "former vocalist of the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated band Queensrÿche."
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I'm buying tickets for Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime show next month on Long Island, and I noticed on the venue's website that Geoff is billing himself as a "multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter." I might be splitting hairs, but isn't Queensrÿche the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated act and not Geoff himself? It seems misleading for him to phrase it that way. The proper description would be to call him the "former vocalist of the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated band Queensrÿche."
Creative marketing. LOL. Technically though, it is correct as he was a significant co-writer on the albums from Queensryche which earned that platinum-selling distinction. Although, I believe Lucidity was the only tune to be nominated for a Grammy, and Chris wrote that entire song, lyrics and music, so that is incorrect.
Didn't realize he was touring. I thought he was concentrating on Avantasia this year. Should be fun, enjoy! I gotta admit, I by far enjoyed his acoustic tour more than the OPM show last year. Could just be Mindcrime burnout though.
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Looks like he also has six California dates in September and October, so you'll get the chance to see him again if your Mindcrime burnout fades by then. :)
I actually haven't seen Geoff perform since his Kings and Thieves solo tour, because I decided to take a break from him after the legal issues with QR. But I'm looking forward to it now, especially given some of the positive responses to his performances in recent years.
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I'm buying tickets for Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime show next month on Long Island, and I noticed on the venue's website that Geoff is billing himself as a "multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter." I might be splitting hairs, but isn't Queensrÿche the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated act and not Geoff himself? It seems misleading for him to phrase it that way. The proper description would be to call him the "former vocalist of the multi-platinum selling, Grammy-nominated band Queensrÿche."
Creative marketing. LOL. Technically though, it is correct as he was a significant co-writer on the albums from Queensryche which earned that platinum-selling distinction. Although, I believe Lucidity was the only tune to be nominated for a Grammy, and Chris wrote that entire song, lyrics and music, so that is incorrect.
I Don't Believe in Love was nominated in 1990 for Best Metal Performance (the year that Metallica actually won for One). In 1992, Silent Lucidity was nominated for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal, and DeGarmo was nominated as the writer of Silent Lucidity for Best Rock Song. While Tate was never personally nominated for a songwriting award, I don't really see the billing as misleading.
A friend and I are mulling over the 10/5 show at the Coach House.
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I Don't Believe in Love was nominated in 1990 for Best Metal Performance (the year that Metallica actually won for One). In 1992, Silent Lucidity was nominated for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal, and DeGarmo was nominated as the writer of Silent Lucidity for Best Rock Song. While Tate was never personally nominated for a songwriting award, I don't really see the billing as misleading.
A friend and I are mulling over the 10/5 show at the Coach House.
I completely forgot about IDBIL being nominated. Wow. Well, I was 13. Thanks P. Memory gets hazy after 30 years. :lol
Good points. I agree, given that, its not misleading. He's just taking everything he has and using it for maximum benefit, as he should.
Looks like he also has six California dates in September and October, so you'll get the chance to see him again if your Mindcrime burnout fades by then. :)
I had no idea. I'll take a look.
Edit -- all the dates are in Southern California. Nowhere near me. I live in Northern California. Its a five-hour drive, without traffic, to Los Angeles. No real interest in traveling to see Geoff. He plays up by me often enough. I am sure he will next year on the Empire 30th, which he has already said he's touring on. :)
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Sweet Oblivion dropped today. I noticed last night it was #1 on Amazon in new hard rock releases. Kinda surprised me. I mean, its good, so I figured it'd do OK, but that was a surprise. I turned to my wife and said, it's 2019, not 1991, right? :lol
Anyone pick it up? As I've said, I really like it. Tate's finest effort on an album in quite some time. The band is damn good too.
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I really like the Sweet Oblivion album. What's cool is that Geoff has given us this album and 3 songs on the Avantasia disc that have really strong vocals. You're not going to get classic Geoff ever again, but this is the closest he'll get, and that's a good thing.
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I really like the Sweet Oblivion album. What's cool is that Geoff has given us this album and 3 songs on the Avantasia disc that have really strong vocals. You're not going to get classic Geoff ever again, but this is the closest he'll get, and that's a good thing.
I still haven't seen anything that clarifies what GT contributed to the Sweet Oblivion album. Was it just vocals, meaning the lyrics and melodies were written FOR him, and he simply sang, or did he write the lyrics and melodies, or some of them, etc.? My gut tells me it is very much the former. He just sang. But regardless, the record is really good. Everyone involved should be proud of it.
p.s. my CD arrives today. Hopefully it has some info in the liner notes.
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Sweet Oblivion dropped today. I noticed last night it was #1 on Amazon in new hard rock releases. Kinda surprised me. I mean, its good, so I figured it'd do OK, but that was a surprise. I turned to my wife and said, it's 2019, not 1991, right? :lol
Anyone pick it up? As I've said, I really like it. Tate's finest effort on an album in quite some time. The band is damn good too.
I'm liking the three songs released more than anything on the latest QR release.
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Just gave the Sweet Oblivion a listen.
It's OK. I mean, if you're jonesing to hear some decent sounding Tate, then it's fine.
I like My Last Story and A Recess From My Fate.
I find an overall lack of passion in the vocals, not saying there aren't moments. I don't know. I'll give it another listen and hopefully the songs grow.
I probably sound like a dick, but I am totally open to this album and want to like it.
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I've been listening to the three released songs the last few hours and am really liking it. You don't sound like a dick, I know Tate needs a lot of repair for what he has done in the past and his past vocal performances. But I think these are three great songs and this is what I would imagine a QR reunion would sound like if it ever happened.
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I've been listening to the three released songs the last few hours and am really liking it. You don't sound like a dick, I know Tate needs a lot of repair for what he has done in the past and his past vocal performances. But I think these are three great songs and this is what I would imagine a QR reunion would sound like if it ever happened.
I would hope that a Queensryche reunion would offer more than this.
As far as repair, I don't consider that. I'm going at this with a very positive attitude. But after my first listen, I almost feel like I'm trying to like it more than it deserves. But it definitely achieved "another listen" status. ;D
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Got the CD. Nothing on who wrote the songs. Tate is the only person featured with photos in it. But his "thank you," was a very generic thank you to the label. And he recorded the vocals at home. As suspected, this was probably just a paycheck, but hopefully the good reception it has gotten might result in something else from this "group" in the future.
Just gave the Sweet Oblivion a listen.
It's OK. I mean, if you're jonesing to hear some decent sounding Tate, then it's fine.
I like My Last Story and A Recess From My Fate.
I find an overall lack of passion in the vocals, not saying there aren't moments. I don't know. I'll give it another listen and hopefully the songs grow.
I probably sound like a dick, but I am totally open to this album and want to like it.
I don't think you sound like a dick, TAC. Wrong thread for that. The shopping cart thread, well... :lol
But seriously, I hear what you're hearing, but I think it's more that Tate is singing more in his comfort zone, as opposed to stretching up for notes he can't consistently hit. Like I said in my review (anybodylistening.net/sweetoblivion.html):
It’s reminiscent of the way Fates Warning singer Ray Alder has adjusted his style over the years to get away from the higher notes and focus on being more emotive and melodic. The approach works well for Tate here.
That's pretty much exactly what Tate is doing in terms of keeping his voice in the area that is still pretty strong.
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I've been listening to the three released songs the last few hours and am really liking it. You don't sound like a dick, I know Tate needs a lot of repair for what he has done in the past and his past vocal performances. But I think these are three great songs and this is what I would imagine a QR reunion would sound like if it ever happened.
I would hope that a Queensryche reunion would offer more than this.
As far as repair, I don't consider that. I'm going at this with a very positive attitude. But after my first listen, I almost feel like I'm trying to like it more than it deserves. But it definitely achieved "another listen" status. ;D
I wouldn't have high expectations if a QR reunion ever happened. I find these three songs pretty "solid" so that passes the test when it comes to Tate. Actually to be honest it is a little more than solid, its pretty good.
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Cool, Jason!
As suspected, this was probably just a paycheck,
It feels that way. That was exactly what I was thinking.
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I've only listened to the three official songs on youtube. The one with the video is a good song, one of the others was solid but the third was a bit of a stinker and Tate sounded screechy and not that good. I'll still check it out cause it's sounds solid and love hearing Simone doing the same solos over and over. Sounds like he copied parts of his Redemption solos on those three songs also.
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I've only listened to the three official songs on youtube. The one with the video is a good song, one of the others was solid but the third was a bit of a stinker and Tate sounded screechy and not that good. I'll still check it out cause it's sounds solid and love hearing Simone doing the same solos over and over. Sounds like he copied parts of his Redemption solos on those three songs also.
lets go with "solid" overall
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Solid it is. :lol
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Do you guys think there will ever be a QR reunion with Tate? A curious combination that just popped into my head while I was drinking was what if Taite came back and Todd took over drum duty?
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Do you guys think there will ever be a QR reunion with Tate? A curious combination that just popped into my head while I was drinking was what if Taite came back and Todd took over drum duty?
The only way I can think of it happening is if Geoff and Scott get back together in some capacity and Mike and Eddie say screw it, we will come along too lol. Chris is a wild card.
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Do you guys think there will ever be a QR reunion with Tate?
Never say never. It will all depend on $$$. If there is enough of it on the table to make it a no-brainer, it'll happen.
I honestly thought it would happen with the Empire 30th next year. Not with DeGarmo (who wisely doesn't need any money, and doesn't want to ruin any relationship with either side) but with Jackson, Tate, Rockenfield, Wilton. But Tate has already announced he is going out and playing the record in its entirety, and said he's not spoken to the rest of current QR. So, I can't see a reunion happening in 2020. But you never know -- if QR is making nothing, it may spur Jackson and Wilton to consider a reunion if there is enough cash on the table for it.
To be frank, I think whoever is managing QR these days has and is missing some golden opportunities. They let Tate scoop them on the Empire 30th. These anniversaries are nostalgia, sure, but they are also nice paydays. Promoters simply pay more for stuff like that. QR, with a good new record like they have, could do two sets -- hits and new songs from Verdict, and then a second set of Empire in its entirety. That way they are still promoting new music, and they also take advantage of a landmark release. They can have their cake and eat it too. And maybe they can still. But Tate is already booking Empire 30th dates, which means promoters are less likely to want QR. While they don't compete in terms of name, they do compete in the eyes of promoters, because they play the same thing, and have the same general audience. Just boggles my mind why QR hasn't been more aggressive to recognize some of this and jump on it before Tate does. I understood Mindcrime, since QR can't play the whole thing live. But Empire, their biggest selling record? How in the world could they let Tate get out in front of them with tour plans for it? Crazy. But they did. And Tate was smart to jump on it.
I think if the money is there, and Tate is getting enough from the promoters for Empire 30th dates to afford some higher caliber musicians, Scott may go out with Tate for the Empire 30th. Those two were back on better terms, and so I still think that's a possibility in 2020. But I thought that would happen for Mindcrime's 30th, and it never did.
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@Samsara
I truly believe that the current QR just wants to distance themselves from their older songs. Yes, they are playing the hits...but basically they are a new band with harder and heavier songs than anything they did post Promised Land. I'm sure Jackson and Wilton are not dumb, and they have discussed this (playing Empire completely). The current QR seems to be standing on a fine line between nostalgia act and relevant band. And that's why I think Jackson and Wilton are not doing the full Empire performance. I don't think they will draw as much money as people think. The original lineup has to be there (at least 4 out of 5 without Degarmo) in order for the money to be there. It's taking a while but the current QR is rebuilding their brand and trying to be relevant. They found a nice balance (at least during this last touring cycle) of touring a new album (relevant band) and playing the casino circuits (nostalgia). They have a long way to go but that keeps money in their pockets. While Tate will tour with Empire, I don't think the promoters will be paying a lot of money for that. He was playing on very small venues during his last tour with O:M. I think the current QR will be making more money the way they are doing it right now than revisiting Empire (with the current lineup).
What sucks for them is Rockenfeld being a boat anchor for them financially (still have to pay him while he is not doing the work) as well as the losses (70k) with the Pledgemusic fiasco. I think this year will be fully devoted to offset those losses and potentially trying to buy out Scott out of his QR shares.
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The current QR seems to be standing on a fine line between nostalgia act and relevant band. And that's why I think Jackson and Wilton are not doing the full Empire performance.
They found a nice balance (at least during this last touring cycle) of touring a new album (relevant band) and playing the casino circuits (nostalgia).
Here's the real problem - QR used to play 2 hours shows, every single tour. I started seeing them in 1999 and every time they came around, it was 18-20+ songs a night.
When Todd joined, those sets immediately dropped to 90 minutes or less. They'll never admit it, but I think Todd just can't sing for more than that amount of time. So it's impossible for them to try to construct a set when they're hamstrung by their singer. If they extend their shows, there is more time to play new music, and more time to acknowledge album anniversaries by playing a few deep cuts or a suite of songs. They're stuck with playing no more than 15 songs, and they have a list of about 5 that they usually have to play (Queen of the Reich, Take Hold, JCW/SL/Empire).
You're right in that a reunion with Geoff will pay better than the current band doing Empire, but they now are the protectors and guardians of those classic albums. So ignoring the album's anniversary and letting their old singer scoop them on the exclusivity of such an event is embarrassing. They've also ignored anniversaries for The Warning, RFO and Mindcrime.
There are ways for them to honor the record without doing it in full....but that requires some creativity on their part, and they're not really creative when it comes to setlists anymore. They could throw a generic tri-ryche or the album cover on the video screens if they don't have video content for certain songs and throw in deep cuts.
Geoff's doing what he needs to do, but it's aggravating watching the band ignore certain things that would spice up their live shows from year to year and potentially get them out of these casino and state/county fairs.
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@Samsara
I truly believe that the current QR just wants to distance themselves from their older songs. Yes, they are playing the hits...but basically they are a new band with harder and heavier songs than anything they did post Promised Land. I'm sure Jackson and Wilton are not dumb, and they have discussed this (playing Empire completely). The current QR seems to be standing on a fine line between nostalgia act and relevant band. And that's why I think Jackson and Wilton are not doing the full Empire performance.
GG -- I totally agree that they should be doing their new material...extensively. They should have done that starting in 2014. But they didn't. They fell back into the comfort zone of playing old stuff because people showed excitement and they thought it would lead to something bigger. It hasn't. Right now, I agree, this past tour they embraced playing new material, and that's great, but it's almost too little, too late. The album had a lackluster debut, they mishandled the Scott Rock info (they still haven't properly explained it, although anyone following the band should have been able to figure it out by now), etc. They just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't think they will draw as much money as people think. The original lineup has to be there (at least 4 out of 5 without Degarmo) in order for the money to be there.
Not sure if you are including me in the word "people," but I don't necessarily think the money will be there. It probably won't be. But they would get MORE money had QR (current) beat Tate to the punch and said they were playing Empire in its entirety (on top of the rest of a set). It would have only helped them. They could have probably gotten a slight bump to their guarantees and still completely represented the new album and TLT-era songs. But they just...let Tate scoop them and ignored it.
It's taking a while but the current QR is rebuilding their brand and trying to be relevant. They found a nice balance (at least during this last touring cycle) of touring a new album (relevant band) and playing the casino circuits (nostalgia). They have a long way to go but that keeps money in their pockets. While Tate will tour with Empire, I don't think the promoters will be paying a lot of money for that. He was playing on very small venues during his last tour with O:M. I think the current QR will be making more money the way they are doing it right now than revisiting Empire (with the current lineup).
A lot here to respond to.
1. Yes, QR is trying to rebuild its brand and finally trying to be relevant. But you just illustrated my point with your second sentence. You said they found a nice balance on this past tour. I agree, it was balanced. So if you're still toeing that line, why NOT tour Empire in addition to your current record. That would keep them relevant, but also nod to the past and give them a bit of a bump, money-wise. They lost out now with Tate doing it, but they could have. Speaking of Tate...
2. I think you'd be surprise what Tate can get from promoters by playing Empire in-full. If it didn't pay, he wouldn't do it. You forget just how popular Empire is. I was at the Mindcrime 25th show he did. the venue was small, but pretty much sold out. Obviously, I don't know the guarantee that Tate took from each show on that tour, but while I agree it is less than QR, my point is, Empire in its entirety is a bump in the number. A bump that could be significantly higher if it was marketed as a reunion. It's all about optics/
3. Regarding QR, again, I fail to see the logic of your last statement. If CURRENT QR played Empire in its entirety AND did a set of its current record and other new stuff, a legit two-hour show, how would the extra bump by doing Empire for its 30th anniversary in that manner mean less money than they currently get for 80-minute headline sets of hits and the current record. That makes absolutely no sense. Empire would give them additional money, not less.
Look at Dream Theater. They played all of SFAM, and then also had a set of hits and new songs. I guarantee you they pulled more down $$$ from promoters because they featured SFAM. Anniversaries of landmark records bring in money. That's why bands do them. If you want to stay relevant, you can't JUST do that. And that's why DT has done their new record and other songs IN ADDITION to SFAM. That's the approach (on a smaller scale) that QR should take with Empire. But for whatever reason, they let Tate scoop them on that (either by choice or just not paying attention), and that is a mistake.
What sucks for them is Rockenfeld being a boat anchor for them financially (still have to pay him while he is not doing the work) as well as the losses (70k) with the Pledgemusic fiasco. I think this year will be fully devoted to offset those losses and potentially trying to buy out Scott out of his QR shares.
Good luck with that. That Scott situation is a lot deeper than most realize. Which again, supports my point that they should (before Tate announced his intentions) have set up 2020 to do a The Verdict + hits/Empire tour. That would have led to more money (bigger guarantees from the promoters) and then they'd be able to dig out of the Scott and Pledgemusic holes.
Which is why I completely don't understand the logic of what you mentioned above. I don't mean that disrespectfully, it's just I think what you are saying contradicts itself, at least in terms of realities of what QR is facing.
Tate scooped them, and it would be ironic if Rockenfield and Tate did Empire 2020 together, while QR did its thing, and as you alluded to, still allegedly having to pay Scott as a member of QR's corporation. Honestly, that situation, IF it exists in the manner you indicated, may ultimately sink them. Remember, at least as of last year, they still hadn't paid off Tate.
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@Samsara - I wasn't referring to you (in regards my use of people). I enjoy your QR posts a lot.
Do you think people will go to a current QR playing Empire? I tend to associate Empire with Tate as I think he was the face of the band during that time. It would feel like a QR tribute band (at least for me) if the current lineup played Empire in its entirety.
By the way, did you figure out the lyrics thing on Sweet Oblivion? I'm digging the album a lot.
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Thanks. :)
I totally think people would go see current QR doing Empire in its entirety. It was the band's most successful album. IMO, I think most folks aren't like myself, or you, where we associate specific musicians and singers with songs. I think most fans see a band name and go. Had current QR said late last year, before Tate got the jump on them, "yeah, we're going to head out in 2020 with a massive world tour celebrating Empire's 30th anniversary, combined with our latest album, The Verdict," people would have been all over it, and promoters would be happy. I don't think the venue size would change (maybe it would go up a small bit), but the number of dates, and the amount per show the band could negotiate with the promoter would be higher. It would have been a win-win.
But because Tate has already announced he is doing Empire in its entirety (which was smart for him to get out in front), I think that would put a damper on QR trying to do it. Promoters wouldn't want two bands doing the same anniversary. My guess is, Tate dropping the info that he's touring 2020 in support of Empire's 30th probably means he has a tentative itinerary and agreements. Again, that's an assumption, but I think its a likely one. Whereas QR has said absolutely nothing about Empire's 30th anniversary at all. They've had a new album to promote, so I get that. But like I said earlier, you can promote the new record and celebrate an old one, and still stay relevant. Dream Theater just did it in North America (albeit on a bigger stage). The key is balancing the two.
For me personally, its tough. I can't stand La Torre's voice on the Empire, and PL stuff. He's fine on the earlier stuff that's higher. But the Empire and PL stuff (and about half of Mindcrime) feature a different aspect of Geoff's voice, and its in a spot that La Torre's voice just doesn't naturally sit in well to my ears. He sings them fine, but his voice doesn't have the depth and character Geoff's does, and its not as impactful (again, for my tastes) on the Empire and PL stuff.
That said, the current Queensryche band would do Empire a lot more justice musically than the guys Tate is touring with now. I mean, its not even close. I mean, Casey is no Scott Rockenfield when it comes to feel, but he's light years ahead of who Geoff current has. And obviously Wilton, Lundgren and Jackson are miles ahead of those dudes Tate has. It would be very interesting though, to see what would happen if Tate was financially able to bring Rockenfield aboard for Empire 30. Immediately the band gets better, because Scott is Scott. But man, the guitars and bass are just not on par with current QR.
I guess we'll find out next year. As we're obviously fans of Empire, generally speaking, we are the ones who lose. Neither group playing it will quite sound right. I'll probably go see Tate, and I absolutely would go see Tate if he brought Rockenfield aboard. That would make it almost a guarantee.
About Sweet Oblivion (and I am guessing bosk will probably want us to get back onto Tate as the topic anyway):
Lyrics thing? You mean who wrote the lyrics? There's nothing in the CD liners. All the liner notes say was where everything was recorded (vocals were recorded by Tate at his house). There's no mention of who wrote the songs.
I'm still enjoying the record, but as I play it more, the more my ears are picking up a lot more nods to Mindcrime/Empire. It's actually become a little annoying, if I'm being honest about it. I still like it, but take the title track. It mixes elements of the rhythm section from I Don't Believe in Love/Breaking the Silence. And another track has a bit of Spreading the Disease opening with the drums. It's still a good record, but I wish it wasn't so blatantly referencing the QR stuff.
But either way, I am still playing it, and still like it.
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I totally think people would go see current QR doing Empire in its entirety. It was the band's most successful album. IMO, I think most folks aren't like myself, or you, where we associate specific musicians and singers with songs. I think most fans see a band name and go. Had current QR said late last year, before Tate got the jump on them, "yeah, we're going to head out in 2020 with a massive world tour celebrating Empire's 30th anniversary, combined with our latest album, The Verdict," people would have been all over it, and promoters would be happy. I don't think the venue size would change (maybe it would go up a small bit), but the number of dates, and the amount per show the band could negotiate with the promoter would be higher. It would have been a win-win.
I completely agree with all of that.
(and I am guessing bosk will probably want us to get back onto Tate as the topic anyway)
Nah, not really. The other stuff is related enough. Have at it.
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The musical similarities to OM were one thing but I did raise an eyebrow when Tate sang “these halls will tell the story of the pain” in Transition 😳
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I just want to chime in and say that when I saw QR earlier this year, I thought Todd sounded fantastic on I Am I. And the Empire stuff too but I'm a little tired of those songs so I didn't pay as close attention. But I'd read here that people didn't like him doing Promised Land material, and I was surprised by that because I thought he sounded great. If QR were to do an Empire set, I think he'd do very well.
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I'm leaning towards going to Geoff's OM show locally next week. Not a huge QR fan but that's the only album or music that I've heard from them that I enjoyed so not sure if QR or OM would put on a better show but ones doing the album locally and the other wasn't so that's really what it comes down to I guess. Curios to see the turn out for his show, tickets are like $25
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Musically, Queensryche is a tighter unit than Geoff's band. But they don't play much from Mindcrime anymore and limit things to a song or two. Their current set has just one song from the album.
So if that's the album that you like, then see Geoff - though I'd go into the show with the understanding that the backing band isn't going to be super tight. I think he plays Mindcrime in full and then a few of the bigger songs from Empire and calls it a night, so you're not going to get many deep cuts.
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Cool, was curious if his band was any good. Oh well, but yea, it's essentially the only thing that interests me from QR and its local.
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I saw his band and agree that they could be better. The guitar player on the left (stage right) would come up for a solo and more than once I'd be thinking "I don't know he's playing, but it's not Queensryche..."
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:lol oh geeze, so its that bad
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I just want to chime in and say that when I saw QR earlier this year, I thought Todd sounded fantastic on I Am I. And the Empire stuff too but I'm a little tired of those songs so I didn't pay as close attention. But I'd read here that people didn't like him doing Promised Land material, and I was surprised by that because I thought he sounded great. If QR were to do an Empire set, I think he'd do very well.
Personal taste and all that. Todd's voice is naturally thinner than Tate's. So the impact of the Empire/PL material, vocally, isn't there, at least for me. Other peoples' mileage may vary. I believe I complimented La Torre above for his singing of the stuff pre-Mindcrime. He sounds fine on that (with the exception that he screams most notes now instead of singing them). I just don't like the tonal quality of his voice once they hit Empire.
I'm leaning towards going to Geoff's OM show locally next week. Not a huge QR fan but that's the only album or music that I've heard from them that I enjoyed so not sure if QR or OM would put on a better show but ones doing the album locally and the other wasn't so that's really what it comes down to I guess. Curios to see the turn out for his show, tickets are like $25
The acoustic show I saw in 2017 had probably 35-40 people. The full-electric, Mindcrime performance in 2018, in a small theater, probably had close to 250.
I saw his band and agree that they could be better. The guitar player on the left (stage right) would come up for a solo and more than once I'd be thinking "I don't know he's playing, but it's not Queensryche..."
Agreed. The younger, Irish guitarist at least is in the ballpark. The guy you are referring to is the guy that got nailed for identity theft years ago. I forget his name, but he's been tight with Tate for years. Played (I think) as the second guitarist on Tate's 2002 solo tour before getting in trouble with the law. Scott Moughton. There's the name. I'm sure he's a good guitarist and all, but honestly, he doesn't play the stuff close enough for my tastes.
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Oh geeze, a criminal too :lol
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:lol oh geeze, so its that bad
I think I wrote about this earlier in this thread (i.e., more contemporaneously), but I saw Tate's Operation: Mindcrime thing in August of last year. I went in with a healthy degree of skepticism, but I can't think of a single negative thing to say about the show (other than that I'm not a fan of half of the Empire songs he did as an encore, but since those are the two best known songs on that album, I can't REALLY complain about that). Tate sounded good/great. The band was tight, and I didn't notice any soloing that was so significantly different from what's on the albums.
I've never seen Queensryche with La Torre, so I can't really compare, but I haven't been sufficiently impressed by any of the studio material I've heard with him such that I want to take a deep dive. For me, QR without Tate and DeGarmo isn't really QR, so I'd infinitely rather see Geoff Tate with a bunch of side musicians than a band calling itself QR that only has Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson from the original lineup.
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:lol oh geeze, so its that bad
I think I wrote about this earlier in this thread (i.e., more contemporaneously), but I saw Tate's Operation: Mindcrime thing in August of last year. I went in with a healthy degree of skepticism, but I can't think of a single negative thing to say about the show (other than that I'm not a fan of half of the Empire songs he did as an encore, but since those are the two best known songs on that album, I can't REALLY complain about that). Tate sounded good/great. The band was tight, and I didn't notice any soloing that was so significantly different from what's on the albums.
Oh that's good. I am relatively new to the thread and being I'm not a huge fan I didn't read the history to see your review. I did think Tate sounded good with Avantasia last month so that's why I was thinking it could be fun to see him sing this album.
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It could be fun - I saw the show and Tate sounded good. But, maybe pg got lucky and had an unusually good show, or maybe he was focusing more on Tate and didn't really notice the guitar playing, but like I said above it really wasn't very impressive at all. Especially from the guitar player that's been with Tate longer! That doesn't mean you shouldn't go though.
My preference between the two bands is Queensryche because they are a lot tighter. And Todd sounds fantastic for the most part, so even though you're not getting the original singer, you're getting great vocals and a band that is just better. But it's not like they're playing on the same night or anything, so you don't have to choose between one or the other.
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Yea, and honestly OM the album is also what I am interested in. Even if they were playing the same night but one was doing OM in full, I'd choose that one because that's the music I like the most, and seemingly the only thing I enjoy from QR. So if QR were doing that while Tate did something else, I'd go to the QR show.
I really am just a low key fan in this situation. I've just got to see how I am feeling and my schedule next week before I decide for sure, still leaning on going though.
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Yea, and honestly OM the album is also what I am interested in. Even if they were playing the same night but one was doing OM in full, I'd choose that one because that's the music I like the most, and seemingly the only thing I enjoy from QR. So if QR were doing that while Tate did something else, I'd go to the QR show.
I really am just a low key fan in this situation. I've just got to see how I am feeling and my schedule next week before I decide for sure, still leaning on going though.
If you have the opportunity, I'd see both. Go see Tate do Mindcrime, and then go see Queensryche do their new album/hits set. I can't argue with Lethean's point about the guitars and music as a whole, because I agree wholeheartedly with him -- current QR is much tighter than Tate's current band.
Regarding the vocals, honestly, its just your preference -- I mean, Tate, sounds like Tate. La Torre sounds like La Torre. La Torre has range Tate does not have any longer. But Tate is the original voice, and it has a character that La Torre's lacks.
As a low key fan, like its almost the perfect scenario if you have the opportunity to see both.
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QR played NYC with Fates Warning earlier in the year, but I've never been into either bands to want to go check that out. If that show were locally where Tate is playing next week I would have had more interest just because it's music up my ally even if I don't totally love these bands.
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Fates Warning is amazing. Am I going to have to tell Kattelox on you? :)
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Fates Warning is amazing. Am I going to have to tell Kattelox on you? :)
sure, you can add in that when they played ProgPower a couple years ago I didn't see the set because I enjoyed chatting with people outside more :lol Although I do kind of regret not checking them out more that evening
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maybe pg got lucky and had an unusually good show
Always possible. I vaguely recall hearing less than stellar reviews about the shows leading up to the one I saw.
maybe he was focusing more on Tate and didn't really notice the guitar playing
To the extent I focus on a particular instrument, it varies from song to song and within each song. I certainly wouldn't have caught minute variations in rhythm playing or chord voicings, which is why my prior comment was limited to the solos.
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If I do go, I'm sure I'll have plenty of video so you can compare if this guy plays well or not :lol
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Fates Warning is amazing. Am I going to have to tell Kattelox on you? :)
sure, you can add in that when they played ProgPower a couple years ago I didn't see the set because I enjoyed chatting with people outside more :lol Although I do kind of regret not checking them out more that evening
*gasps in shock*
Was that the year when John Arch was singing? Even though I'm not the biggest Arch fan on studio recordings... that was a really good show and seeing him live was pretty cool.
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Fates Warning is amazing. Am I going to have to tell Kattelox on you? :)
sure, you can add in that when they played ProgPower a couple years ago I didn't see the set because I enjoyed chatting with people outside more :lol Although I do kind of regret not checking them out more that evening
:lol Dude I went back to the hotel and took a nap during Soen and hung out at the Artmore during Sons of Apollo, so I don't blame you for skipping Fates. I like a lot of their stuff but some stuff I just think is highly overrated like APSOG. Albums like "Disconnected" and "Fates Warning X" are more my speed, as are their last two albums which are just plain awesome. I don't think everything is gold, but I think if you like Threshold, they're like... a better and heavier Threshold. :lol
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It's mind-boggling to me how this release remains #1 in Hard Rock on Amazon (as of 9:30 a.m. Pacific this morning), and has done so well.
Obviously, it was a cash-grab project for Frontiers, banking on Tate's name. And for Tate, it appears to have just been a pay day, cashing in on the familiar Mindcrime/Empire Queensryche sound. I mean, those old QR influences are all over the record. The title track is a Breaking the Silence/I Don't Believe in Love hybrid (it even borrows the bass line to a degree), and there are similarities to Spreading the Disease (note the opening drum fill in Behind Your Eyes) The Needle Lies, Speak, Empire, Resistance, etc.
Despite that, there's enough uniqueness to the album that I am enjoying the hell out of it myself (its not an album of the year candidate, but I really like it). I wonder if this is the kick in the pants for Tate to embrace the style that best suits his voice and delivery. I hope so. I mean, his voice isn't what it was 30 years ago when he recorded Empire. But with the right music, and the right melody choices, he still sounds strong. It's pretty obvious between Avantasia and Sweet Oblivion, Tate can still put out good material when surrounded by the right people and the right music.
Those of you who follow Frontiers, or depending on who is reading, have worked with them, does the success this record has had (at least from the public view) automatically green light a follow up? Does it then encourage a tour? Does Frontiers put out tour support to artists? I'm just reading the tea leaves and being curious on how this success could ultimately influence what happens with Tate in the future. I know he's touring Empire in 2020. I doubt that changes. That's a money-maker (to a degree), or at least something that will give Tate steady income in 2020. That wouldn't be sacrificed. But I wonder if Frontiers offered tour support, if Simone Mularoni would play with him, and a few of these Sweet Oblivion songs ended up balancing out Tate's set.
With tour support from a label at a certain monetary level, I could see Rockenfield and Mularoni joining Tate, which would be a solid base to work from. I have no idea what number, $-wise, it would take, nor do I know what Mularoni's schedule is like. But given the strength of the Sweet Oblivion record, my fingers are crossed that Empire 2020 gets beefed up a bit in terms of the people Tate is working with.
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I don't know how these project bands work, but my guess is if its successful enough, the band would take a look at doing a tour or making another album and then seeing what happens.
Ive decided that I am going to see Geoff's show tonight, got in early the last couple days so I don't think I'll need to be in late tonight so should have no issue making it to the show and probably just pay $25 at the door.
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Ive decided that I am going to see Geoff's show tonight, got in early the last couple days so I don't think I'll need to be in late tonight so should have no issue making it to the show and probably just pay $25 at the door.
Cool. Have fun. Let us know what you think. I'm particularly interested in what you think, since you aren't a "hardcore," and go into it without all the baggage and biases of a lot of us.
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Ive decided that I am going to see Geoff's show tonight, got in early the last couple days so I don't think I'll need to be in late tonight so should have no issue making it to the show and probably just pay $25 at the door.
Cool. Have fun. Let us know what you think. I'm particularly interested in what you think, since you aren't a "hardcore," and go into it without all the baggage and biases of a lot of us.
Yea, I'll be sure to update and share my videos. I'm mostly curious about the turn out having been to so many rock shows at this venue lately and I love comparing to get an idea of who draws (like Warrant for example drawing no one, but being surprised when Tesla draws a bigger crowd than Whitesnake). I've listened to OM a couple times this week to build myself up and looking forward to seeing it.
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Those of you who follow Frontiers, or depending on who is reading, have worked with them, does the success this record has had (at least from the public view) automatically green light a follow up? Does it then encourage a tour? Does Frontiers put out tour support to artists?
I don't know much about Frontiers, but based on The Dark Element album from 2017, any live shows might be limited to one-off's or a few festival gigs. That album was successful enough to have promoters inquiring about booking the band to play live, so they did a few gigs. Then Frontiers gave them the go-ahead for a second album.
They also recently announced a second Ferrymen record too. So I'd guess that if Sweet Oblivion does well, Frontiers may give them another record.
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Those of you who follow Frontiers, or depending on who is reading, have worked with them, does the success this record has had (at least from the public view) automatically green light a follow up? Does it then encourage a tour? Does Frontiers put out tour support to artists?
I don't know much about Frontiers, but based on The Dark Element album from 2017, any live shows might be limited to one-off's or a few festival gigs. That album was successful enough to have promoters inquiring about booking the band to play live, so they did a few gigs. Then Frontiers gave them the go-ahead for a second album.
They also recently announced a second Ferrymen record too. So I'd guess that if Sweet Oblivion does well, Frontiers may give them another record.
I was thinking about The Dark Element when I typed my response, looking forward to their follow up and really hoping they can do a ProgPower show.
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I've had this album in the car all week after purchasing it last weekend and I actually really enjoy it. It's bizarre as hell to me that there are no songwriting credits in the booklet at all. I'm guessing it's all Mularoni though, knowing these Frontiers releases.
Tate sounds pretty decent. A bit screechy at times but enjoyable. It's your no frills Frontiers release, 10 songs all at the same length with your couple of fillers and ballad or two. I've never been a huge fan of Simone's songwriting that's why it would be nice to get clarification on the credits here but these songs are safe, generic but on a whole, very good. Simone's guitar solos are always very enjoyable too. He loves playing the same solo over and over, but that's okay. A lot of stuff here directly ripped from his work on the last Redemption.
I really liked the little Queensryche OM rips here and there. They are blatant but IMO done respectfully without really going on with it. The title track for instance has the Eyes of A Stranger guitar harmony melody at the start along with many Breaking the Silence rips. Break Away I think has the verse melody of The Mission also. There's a couple of others that I can't think of from the top of my head at the moment. I like those little things though. It's not trying to rip the songs as the songwriting here is quite a bit different but they are blatant and I like it.
Brian, I've gone off Frontiers the last couple of years because they have turned into a generic shit churning machine putting crap projects together for the sake of it with shit songwriting. I can't measure the success of this one compared to other releases lately but I'd say we definitely could see a second album. Touring I don't know, that seems harder, would depend on Tate. I feel even though Tate sounds decent here, I think it would be hard to gauge how invested he is here. Sounds like what what we have here it could just be a paycheck but depends how much he likes the songs. Songwriting credits would really help cause if he wrote lyrics and the melodies, that could be a different story. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have though. This sounds more however Simone's thing just to show how he can shred. I can't see why they wouldn't explore another album is Tate is up for it.
Very nice album. The Deceiver I class as filler but the other 9 songs I'd say are worthwhile. It does lose a bit of steam after the first 5 songs but the second half is more of a grower than the first half.
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I feel even though Tate sounds decent here, I think it would be hard to gauge how invested he is here. Sounds like what what we have here it could just be a paycheck
While I think it's great to hear Tate of some um..decent music, this really lacked any oomph from Tate for me. It sounds like a paycheck appearance.
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Concert went longer than expected... Eyes of a Stranger... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x2zduKb9_g)
Good show, shook the entire bands hand as the left the stage include Tate who totally gave me a stare down that I hope to find on video tomorrow, but I had no idea Felix from Avantasia/EdGuy was on drums. So cool!
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I enjoyed Sweet Oblivion (only one listen in) enough to save it on Spotify, but I don't see it being purchase-worthy. Nice enough listen, but completely flat when it comes to being original, creative, or interesting vis-a-vis the songwriting. It's one of those albums (for me) where there's nothing wrong with it, but there's also very little right with it. I put it on par with The Verdict as far as this years releases go.
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Nice enough listen, but completely flat when it comes to being original, creative, or interesting vis-a-vis the songwriting.
You sound surprised. You did notice the record label it's on right? ;D
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Nice enough listen, but completely flat when it comes to being original, creative, or interesting vis-a-vis the songwriting.
You sound surprised. You did notice the record label it's on right? ;D
Word. I wasn't surprised at all, since those were the comments coming out of the Frontiers thread.
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Concert went longer than expected... Eyes of a Stranger... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x2zduKb9_g)
Good show, shook the entire bands hand as the left the stage include Tate who totally gave me a stare down that I hope to find on video tomorrow, but I had no idea Felix from Avantasia/EdGuy was on drums. So cool!
Hmm. Musically, except for the drummer getting lost about 45 seconds before the solo, it was better than when I saw this show a year ago. Tate sounded a bit off. I do miss the way he sang some of the lines in his prime. The whole "no happy ending like they've always promised" line is always a bummer. It's a fun line to sing, and while it requires some flexibility vocally, its not "hard" if you're a singer.
Overall, looked like the crowd had a really nice time. And glad you had a good time cram!
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Concert went longer than expected... Eyes of a Stranger... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x2zduKb9_g)
Good show, shook the entire bands hand as the left the stage include Tate who totally gave me a stare down that I hope to find on video tomorrow, but I had no idea Felix from Avantasia/EdGuy was on drums. So cool!
Hmm. Musically, except for the drummer getting lost about 45 seconds before the solo, it was better than when I saw this show a year ago. Tate sounded a bit off. I do miss the way he sang some of the lines in his prime. The whole "no happy ending like they've always promised" line is always a bummer. It's a fun line to sing, and while it requires some flexibility vocally, its not "hard" if you're a singer.
Overall, looked like the crowd had a really nice time. And glad you had a good time cram!
Did they have a woman come out for Suite Sister Mary? I got there in time to see the band before them, Till Death Do Us Part which weren't my thing overall but they had a female singer and she came out to do the singing for that song which was really cool.
I'll have a full video late tonight when I work on it after work, but I thought Geoff mostly sounded good although sometimes it was like a slur with his singing and you couldn't totally make out the words, but that was fine. The band wasn't 100% spot on as you noticed, but mostly sounded fine and definitely "good enough" to not be an issue. The crowd wasn't bad, similar turn out as Skid Row I'd say. Mostly all older couples, some smokin hot babes specifically two older foreign ladies in really nice dresses that were clearly looking for an older dude which as kind of funny as I watched her hit on a guy who's girl was laughing watching her :lol I think shaking Tate's hand after he was leaving the stage was the highlight of the night for me. I was yelling at him good right before he got on stage too (you can see it in my video when it's done, i did go back and watch that clip already) and by yelling good I mean like encouragement and excitement yelling, not heckling. And I was totally surprised to see Felix on drums. I felt like it was an Avantasia reunion between Felix Geoff and myself from Worcester last month :biggrin:
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The woman who sings the part of Suite Sister Mary now is the singer for Til Death Do Us Part -- Tate's daughter, Emily.
It was actually really weird to watch that, given the relationship of Nikki and Mary in the storyline. LOL. Here's a review I wrote from the show last year I saw, along with some videos I shot:
http://www.anybodylistening.net/gt-8-15-18-omc.html
How did they sound on the Empire material? That's key for me, for next year's tour.
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The woman who sings the part of Suite Sister Mary now is the singer for Til Death Do Us Part -- Tate's daughter, Emily.
Oh shit, had no idea that was his daughter :lol yea that is kind of odd and yet cool too. She was in the merch booth selling merch for Geoff after the show and thought it was odd for the singer of the opener to be selling merch for the closer, but figured she was just trying to get exposure but now maybe it was family obligation
Just read your review too, I guess that seems spot on although I wouldn't be as harsh on the backing band but maybe they've improved a bit since then or I could just be more lenient with it as not being a hardcore fan. Also, are those your youtube videos?
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The woman who sings the part of Suite Sister Mary now is the singer for Til Death Do Us Part -- Tate's daughter, Emily.
Oh shit, had no idea that was his daughter :lol yea that is kind of odd and yet cool too. She was in the merch booth selling merch for Geoff after the show and thought it was odd for the singer of the opener to be selling merch for the closer, but figured she was just trying to get exposure but now maybe it was family obligation
Just read your review too, I guess that seems spot on although I wouldn't be as harsh on the backing band but maybe they've improved a bit since then or I could just be more lenient with it as not being a hardcore fan. Also, are those your youtube videos?
Based on your video of Eyes of a Stranger, the band has improved, and I'm not sure its the same drummer. Tate seems (again, based on your video) like he was a tick better at my show last year. Whenever I do a review, I always attempt to provide some level of criticism to balance things out. I was a journalist for the better part of 20 years, that's just how I write. :)
Yes, those are my vids. Not the greatest. I purposefully sat back in the venue (it was a 250-capacity small theater).
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That's cool, it seemed like you were a little less harsh here than that review but that wasn't meant to be a criticism on you or anything just my interpretation. Also I subscribed, that's why I asked.
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That's cool, it seemed like you were a little less harsh here than that review but that wasn't meant to be a criticism on you or anything just my interpretation. Also I subscribed, that's why I asked.
Thanks for subscribing! I try to take a few at each show I attend. I didn't at Dream Theater or at The Tea Party, but I do my best at most shows. Yeah, I did that review the night of the show, or the morning after. Admittedly, I went to that show after the previous year of seeing him acoustic, where his voice sounded super strong. And if I remember my timeline right, he had played that summer (summer 2018) a show in Brazil where his voice sounded absolutely incredible. I mean, to the point where he was as good or better than he sounded on the 2005 tour when Queensryche was opening for Judas Priest and played a ton of the old songs). So seeing him not near that level, and his band not being that strong was a bit of a letdown, and that's what came out in the review. I mean, to be fair, I did report how good Tate sounded the first half of the performance. But it went downhill after that, and like I said, his band appeared to play much tighter and better for you in comparison to what I saw.
I guess for me, if you are going to play Operation: Mindcrime from front to back, there's a certain amount of expectation that it will be performed exceptionally well. Its's a legendary record, and personally, my favorite album of all time. Given the history of how Queensryche played it flawlessly when recording LIVEcrime (absent a broken string and Tate flubbing a line of lyrics at one of the show), the expectation playing Mindcrime will always be there. And in my review, I sorta said that - its a no-win situation for Tate and his band playing something like that. And when the performance of the album is just "OK," it is a bit of bummer. I give more latitude when its a regular show, or something like that acoustic show (which was really enjoyable).
Tate is playing by me in October. Not the same venue. He's playing a very, very tiny night club. It says capacity of 250, but I think its more like 150 at most. On the fence about going. I saw this Mindcrime 30th tour. I think I may skip it and wait for the Empire 30th next year.
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Yup, you've got a whole different set of expectations than me just based on our different fandoms here which is cool.
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Yup, you've got a whole different set of expectations than me just based on our different fandoms here which is cool.
Totally. And I am really glad you enjoyed yourself. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed myself too, and reading back on that review, I can see how it could be viewed negatively. But it wasn't. But those expectations I have sometimes make it difficult. I had way more fun going to the Tate acoustic show. Seeing some of those rarities performed again with that voice was really, really cool. Hoping on Tate's Empire 30th tour, he works in an encore of non-Mindcrime QR songs.
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Talking Metal does a short video review of the show from last night...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkeYzL7TPI
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Talking Metal does a short video review of the show from last night...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkeYzL7TPI
Watching it now, I guess this guy might be local never heard of this channel before. I should keep my eye out for him at shows, I've been actually trying to be more keen on that too. See who else from the youtube world is going to the same shows and is my "competition" in a way if you want to call it that (this guy is not competition since hes doing reviews) but I even met a few people last night who were photographers and they were trying to influence me onto their work. I should be pushing them onto my videos or talk about collaborations!
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Cram, sorry bud. I know you said that video wasn't really your "competition," but I didn't realize you were actively trying to recruit people to your channel at shows, or more than just a fun hobby. So if I rained on your parade a little bit re-posting that clip, my bad. I was just trying to support your feelings on the show, since this guy basically agreed with your assessment. :)
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Cram, sorry bud. I know you said that video wasn't really your "competition," but I didn't realize you were actively trying to recruit people to your channel at shows, or more than just a fun hobby. So if I rained on your parade a little bit re-posting that clip, my bad. I was just trying to support your feelings on the show, since this guy basically agreed with your assessment. :)
Wait what? I'm not sure what you are apologizing for. That was a cool share, I like knowing about who else is doing similar stuff to me, especially locally and it was totally related to what we are discussing. I was mostly joking about calling anyone "competition" which is why I qouted it because I just don't know what to call other people doing the same thing. I don't really recruit people at shows, but I've been telling myself I should. If anything, I will try to get someone to be my friend on instagram though which is more personal and then I don't feel like I am a sales person for my channel, from instagram you can easily get to my channel if you were to want to. It just hit me a bit because literally two people were showing me all their photos last night and I should have done the same to them. I did become friends with one on instagram, I just don't want to always be like "hey look at me" especially if I am just casually talking to someone I don't know.
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No worries. I got confused. Happens when you get old. TAC knows all about it. Ask him. :lol
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I actually subscribed to the guy, if he's local doing concert reviews to ones I go to, that's pretty cool to me and honestly someone I'd like to interact with.
There was a youtube channel, JimPowers, and this guy went to like every show locally and recorded all of the show and always had amazing video/sound. It made me very jealous of course, but I understood there was no way to do this better than him. He must have been retired and/or has a huge chunk of money (it always made me wonder if it was Jim Powers the former wrestler which would make him retired and potentially have some money). Anyway, I knew of him for awhile because his videos would always out perform mine. One day I got a notification he subscribed to me. He had like 60k subscribers :lol I was like, that's really cool of him to hit me back so I subscribed and said to myself "if you can't beat em, join em" but moreso, all of us youtubers are in this together. It's better to have friendly competition if there is competition at all and support each other. The channel disappeared though. I wonder if he got a copyright issue or if he just said fuck it, but I definitely was always looking for him at concerts (I have no idea what he looks like, but would look for anyone filming the entire show).
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Talking Metal does a short video review of the show from last night...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkeYzL7TPI
I think his comments around the 1:50 mark pretty much sum up how a lot of people will see these shows - he didn't think the drums were quite there at the beginning, but once Geoff started singing he really didn't care about anything else. This could be why that one guitar player (Scott, you said his name was) can be so unfaithful to the original material. :P This isn't a not at all on anyone who thought the band or guitar players sounded fine. I'm often that person myself - I've read people making comments about JP being a little sloppy and I certainly didn't notice and thought he was awesome. If someone isn't playing a QR solo note for note but they're pretty close... I probably won't notice much in that case either. But this guy just didn't seem to be on the same page to me, and I'm generally not a critical person at shows.
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I looked up the members of the band on wikipedia and it doesn't even list Felix as playing drums so I'm guessing he only started recently so maybe that explains why the drumming isn't quite there.
But I think you are right, people are going for the voice and if the voice is there (which it was) then the rest doesn't need to be perfect for most of the crowd. I didn't see or hear any complaints last night.
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About the writing credits on the album, if you are interested, they are avaible song by song on Spotify.
I think it’s a good album, but I agree that it lacks the wow factor in some songs at least. I mean, there’s none of it in the entire album. By comparision, QR’s The Verdict is much better IMO.
Edit: Geoff Tate only wrote, with Mulanori, true colors and behind your eyes. The majority of the songs are by Mulanori/Filippo Martigano. It doesn't separate who wrote lyrics or the music.
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About the writing credits on the album, if you are interested, they are avaible song by song on Spotify.
I think it’s a good album, but I agree that it lacks the wow factor in some songs at least. I mean, there’s none of it in the entire album. By comparision, QR’s The Verdict is much better IMO.
Edit: Geoff Tate only wrote, with Mulanori, true colors and behind your eyes. The majority of the songs are by Mulanori/Filippo Martigano. It doesn't separate who wrote lyrics or the music.
Thanks for the info re the credits mate.
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:tup
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My full video from the Geoff Tate Operation Mindcrime show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSUuazGpcWg) if anyone is interested, my favorite parts are at 4:00 (https://youtu.be/uSUuazGpcWg?t=240) for when Geoff goes on stage and 32:00 (https://youtu.be/uSUuazGpcWg?t=1920) for when the band goes off stage :biggrin:
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About the writing credits on the album, if you are interested, they are avaible song by song on Spotify.
I think it’s a good album, but I agree that it lacks the wow factor in some songs at least. I mean, there’s none of it in the entire album. By comparision, QR’s The Verdict is much better IMO.
Edit: Geoff Tate only wrote, with Mulanori, true colors and behind your eyes. The majority of the songs are by Mulanori/Filippo Martigano. It doesn't separate who wrote lyrics or the music.
Thank you for that. I don't use Spotify, so I would have never have known.
Who is Filippo Martigano?
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Who is Filippo Martigano?
I think you'll find it's Filippo Martignano - played keys on the Lione/Conti album from 2018.
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Yes, that’s him. I spelled wrong. Complete writing credits:
True colors - Tate/Mulanori
Sweet oblivion /A recess from my fate - Luigi Sanese/Mulanori
Behind your eyes - Davide Mora/Tate/Mulanori
Hide away/ My last story/The deceiver/Seek the light - Martignano/Sanese/Mulanori
Transition/Disconnect- Martignano/Mulanori
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Isn't it also Mularoni, not Mulanori? :)
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Edited ;D
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:facepalm: :tup
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Cram, watched the majority of your video. Your energy is infectious! ha ha. Awesome!
Tate sounded pretty good. Better overall for you in comparison to the show I saw last year. Although that note going into the solo of The Needle Lies was crazy high and good at my gig, and he couldn't quite get there at yours. LOL. I hate it when that happens. As a singer, when you go for something, and you fall off key or crack...it is so embarrassing. :lol
Anyway, Tate sounded pretty damn good overall. I was not at all impressed with the drummer. He may need some more time to get dialed in. He was pretty off, although, to be fair, he is trying to replicate Rockenfield. That's a tall order on Mindcrime in particular. The guitars were much better at your show as well.
Generally, I liked what I heard. Looking forward to Empire 2020. I am still on the fence about seeing him in October. Its the same show I saw in 2018, so I don't really need to see it again. But nice to see Tate's voice is getting stronger.
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Cram, watched the majority of your video. Your energy is infectious! ha ha. Awesome!
Thanks for watching again, and yea you either love my energy or you hate it. I get a lot of negative comments about it, but that's part of my channel. You get my reactions and stupidity. I'm fairly mad at myself though, I was halfway there and realized I didn't even bring my dedicated camera :facepalm: so I feel like I could have had better quality video/sound but my phone (galaxy s9) works well enough.
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I interviewed Geoff Tate TODAY about Sweet Oblivion and other topics, and it's already published. Check it out!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-geoff-tate/?fbclid=IwAR2Ys4TLzfuH2DAlUnYnfuAjX312PwTJOfMEtt2B5DycQnyI_4nT60L3Akg
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@ Cram..your video came up on my feed so I watched a lot of it. You crack me up, bro. :lol
Tate played 2 nights here in New Bedford. I contemplated going. I think if I was single and shit, yeah, I might go, but I can't help feeling how pathetic this is. I'm not anti Tate in anyway. I am happy he is rebuilding his image.
It would be one thing playing material and incorporating some QR songs, but this whole "playing an album in full" is out of whack to me.
It's been this phenomenon over the last number of years, and I always find it weak. If that's how they (not specifically talking about Tate here but more of a general point) have to make money, I can't behoove them of that. But as a fan (again, not directed at Tate, specifically) I find the whole thing lame.
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Just when you start enjoying the music, then you get Tate telling interviewers (again) that he "IS" Queensryche, and referring to Wilton as a rhythm guitar player. Unreal.
https://allthatshreds.com/geoff-tate-i-am-queensryche/
:facepalm:
Is there a "SIGH" emoji too?
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I went to Geoff's concert two night ago on Long Island, NY. It was the first time I'd seen him perform since his solo tour for Kings and Thieves album, because I decided I needed a Tate break after that due to all the QR drama. I must say, I enjoyed the show. Now that a number of years have passed, I think I was able to view it for what it was: a nostalgia act. It was QR's former vocalist celebrating Mindcrime's 30th anniversary with some unknown musicians backing him up, and I was okay with that. During the show, I realized I will always love QR's classic albums and if I'm going to see someone perform them I'd rather see Geoff perform them than the current QR (which only has Wilton and Jackson left as original members; Wilton and Jackson were probably the two QR members I felt least connected to as a fan through the years). I think Tate can really ride the nostalgia train for years to come and do well. Next is Empire's 30th anniversary. Then Promised Land's 30th anniversary. Then Rage for Order's 40th anniversary. Then back to Mindcrime for a 40th anniversary tour. Meanwhile, the real QR can continue to pump out new material and play festivals and do what they're doing. The only thing that felt weird was that Tate's backing band were the same musicians from his daughter's opening band, which comes across as a blatant way to save money, but they performed well enough so I didn't mind in the long run. I was also happy to see Tate wasn't clutching a glass of wine on stage, like he was the last time I'd see him. He delivered a solid performance. I left feeling like both Geoff and QR have found their grooves now. :)
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Just when you start enjoying the music, then you get Tate telling interviewers (again) that he "IS" Queensryche, and referring to Wilton as a rhythm guitar player. Unreal.
https://allthatshreds.com/geoff-tate-i-am-queensryche/
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Is there a "SIGH" emoji too?
Wow. Dude. SMH
I found this interesting:
"Scott Rockenfield abruptly left and hasn’t been in the band as of late. Not much has been said about it and it seems rather odd.
GT: No it’s not. Not at all. It was just a matter of time. They can spin it how they want. It’s really too bad. I hope that he does well. Even after all the pain he inflicted on everybody around him, I still have high hopes that he recovers from his problems and comes back to the music. The music will save you, no matter how far off the deep end you go. If you just rely on the music, it will bring you back. That’s my belief at least."
Sounds like he might be implying alcohol or drug problems.
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Yeah.............didn't sound like there's much going on with Tate and Rockenfield anyway :lol
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The common implication when someone says that would be in reference to drug and alcohol problems, but people can have problems that aren't related to those as well.
Edit: The author of the interview claims to have omitted a comment from Geoff where he blatantly said that Scott is abusing drugs.
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He's one to talk about "pain inflicted on everyone around him".... :\
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Just when you start enjoying the music, then you get Tate telling interviewers (again) that he "IS" Queensryche, and referring to Wilton as a rhythm guitar player. Unreal.
Wilton was the rhythm guitarist though, wasn't he? :huh:
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No, DeGarmo and Wilton both played solos and both played rhythm guitar. That's just Tate being an ass and trying to degrade Wilton's contributions over the years.
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He probably is still struggling with getting spit on all the time from Tate himself.
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The common implication when someone says that would be in reference to drug and alcohol problems, but people can have problems that aren't related to those as well.
Edit: The author of the interview claims to have omitted a comment from Geoff where he blatantly said that Scott is abusing drugs.
WOW. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but that's awful.
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Is anyone really surprised that Tate said what he said? He has been an arrogant jack ass for as long as I can remember.
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Just when you start enjoying the music, then you get Tate telling interviewers (again) that he "IS" Queensryche, and referring to Wilton as a rhythm guitar player. Unreal.
Wilton was the rhythm guitarist though, wasn't he? :huh:
No. DeGarmo and Wilton were dual lead guitarists at least through Empire (I can't speak to the time after that because, although I had Promised Land, I thought and still think it mostly sucks and fell out of interest with the band after that). If you watch the introductions on the Live in Tokyo video right before QOTR, Tate introduces both as "lead guitar." I think they were generally credited simply as "guitars" on the albums.
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Wilton and DeGarmo were ALWAYS co-lead and rhythm guitarists. Wilton's solos dropped off a little bit with Promised Land and HITNF. But through Empire, they were generally equal.
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seems there is more to the story from the All That Shreds interview....
per twitter...
(https://i.imgur.com/fE3HDZw.jpg)
Not sure it was a good idea for the interviewer to put that out there, but there it is.
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Well, IMO, Todd should zip it and take the high road. Todd's range these days is superior to Tate's. But Todd suffers from other limitations in areas where Tate can still outshine him even at his age. He would be well served to keep quiet. As the saying goes, "better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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Fascinating details about Geoff and Simone butting heads on the Sweet Oblivion project: https://sleazeroxx.com/simone-mularoni-outlines-difficulties-working-with-geoff-tate-on-sweet-oblivion-project/?fbclid=IwAR2yohFpGd85Adbr2lTpi_VbyCjpOZrmJrmbfc2EjQePM-aK6rHTui2Kcp4
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Well, IMO, Todd should zip it and take the high road. Todd's range these days is superior to Tate's. But Todd suffers from other limitations in areas where Tate can still outshine him even at his age. He would be well served to keep quiet. As the saying goes, "better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
I think agree with this. Tate, despite being a monster douche, is set in stone as one of the truly great singers in metal, while La Torre is merely another in a long line of "hey, let's get a younger guy who sounds a lot like the singer we used to have" replacement singers who will be long forgotten. He should be happy he has the gig that he does.
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100% Correct!
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Fascinating details about Geoff and Simone butting heads on the Sweet Oblivion project: https://sleazeroxx.com/simone-mularoni-outlines-difficulties-working-with-geoff-tate-on-sweet-oblivion-project/?fbclid=IwAR2yohFpGd85Adbr2lTpi_VbyCjpOZrmJrmbfc2EjQePM-aK6rHTui2Kcp4
Not surprising. This is completely consistent with just about every story I have heard about anyone who has had personal contact with Tate. Simone's version of the facts is 180 degrees from Tate's. One of these men has a reputation for lying. I wonder which one I believe...
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Well, that would explain Geoff's completely phoned in performance.
I feel like anyone accepting this album as anything but the farce it is is so hard up for "old days" Tate that they are seriously dropping their standards.
Furthermore... He mentions that "He" doesn't need the Queensryche name. The other guys need it, or something to that effect. Well, WTF? He's touring one Queensryche album in full this year, and next year, he's doing another. So who fucking needs the Queensryche name? He certainly needs the Queensryche material.
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I wonder what the question was that prompted Simone to come out with all of that. I don't doubt that he's telling the truth, but it seems weird to go into that kind of detail. Unless the interviewer put him in a spot where he'd have to lie otherwise... or unless maybe he wants to make sure Frontiers doesn't try to make him write a follow up?
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Edit: The author of the interview claims to have omitted a comment from Geoff where he blatantly said that Scott is abusing drugs.
Sorry to go back on an older post, but I just read this and I have to say: bad fucking show from that interviewer for blatantly taking things out of context. Tate is enough of a dickhead already, you don't need to twist his words for people to realise that.
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Edit: The author of the interview claims to have omitted a comment from Geoff where he blatantly said that Scott is abusing drugs.
Sorry to go back on an older post, but I just read this and I have to say: bad fucking show from that interviewer for blatantly taking things out of context. Tate is enough of a dickhead already, you don't need to twist his words for people to realise that.
Where did the interview say that he omitted the comment?
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Edit: The author of the interview claims to have omitted a comment from Geoff where he blatantly said that Scott is abusing drugs.
Sorry to go back on an older post, but I just read this and I have to say: bad fucking show from that interviewer for blatantly taking things out of context. Tate is enough of a dickhead already, you don't need to twist his words for people to realise that.
Where did the interview say that he omitted the comment?
It was not in the interview itself. It is buried in some comments in a Facebook group that I sometimes read. His interview started gaining some traction in the group and the author popped up to blab and take credit.
I wonder what the question was that prompted Simone to come out with all of that. I don't doubt that he's telling the truth, but it seems weird to go into that kind of detail. Unless the interviewer put him in a spot where he'd have to lie otherwise... or unless maybe he wants to make sure Frontiers doesn't try to make him write a follow up?
In that same Facebook group, Joel Barrios from Sonic Perspectives commented that he will be interviewing Simone shortly. Joel said that he had reached out to Simone for his comment on the Aardshok interview. Simone said that despite it being true, he told the Aardshok interviewer everything off of the record.
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I was going to comment that it's cheap for someone 30 years younger to boast about singing in the original key, then I checked and holy damn, Todd LaTorre is 45! :o I'd have made him in his 30's.
Still, not wanting to defend Tate but he's 60, everyone loses range at that age, the bodt / throat is a singer's instrument and the instrument physically changes.
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seems there is more to the story from the All That Shreds interview....
per twitter...
(https://i.imgur.com/fE3HDZw.jpg)
Not sure it was a good idea for the interviewer to put that out there, but there it is.
Both Todd and the interviewer here are way out of order. Shut the fuck up, both of you.
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Fascinating details about Geoff and Simone butting heads on the Sweet Oblivion project: https://sleazeroxx.com/simone-mularoni-outlines-difficulties-working-with-geoff-tate-on-sweet-oblivion-project/?fbclid=IwAR2yohFpGd85Adbr2lTpi_VbyCjpOZrmJrmbfc2EjQePM-aK6rHTui2Kcp4
Wowsers. I admit and said right away Simone wrote this for himself not so much Geoff but I like it. I can see where Tate would be coming from in regards to the self indulgent guitar solos, but we know Simone would be on point in what Tate wanted to do with the songs. And yes this explains Tates average performance but it's not horrible.
I feel for Simone. Seferino who is the head of Frontiers tells Simone to contact Geoff himself but then gets called into the office when Tate or his wife complains about him, please. Poor form from Seferino and really shows this label is becoming a factory churning out the same rubbish to make a buck and doesn't gice a fuck about who is producing their music. Seferino should have had some correspondence with Geoff also in the direction of the songs. Simone obviously joined them for a paycheck as his output has increased but wow poor form from Frontiers. Wouldn't be surprised if Simone gets dropped for exposing this.
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I feel like anyone accepting this album as anything but the farce it is is so hard up for "old days" Tate that they are seriously dropping their standards.
Nah mate, maybe some but not me. I like Simone's guitar playing a lot and would have checked it even if some shit singer I hated was on it. Well, maybe except Issa. I've always found his songwriting a bit below par but don't mind the songs here. Won't have long lasting affect and the whole thing sounds like it's veen shit out in 5 minutes but his shred is enough to keep me somewhat interested. Don't see me going back to it a lot over time though.
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I feel like anyone accepting this album as anything but the farce it is is so hard up for "old days" Tate that they are seriously dropping their standards.
Nah mate, maybe some but not me. I like Simone's guitar playing a lot and would have checked it even if some shit singer I hated was on it. Well, maybe except Issa. I've always found his songwriting a bit below par but don't mind the songs here. Won't have long lasting affect and the whole thing sounds like it's veen shit out in 5 minutes but his shred is enough to keep me somewhat interested. Don't see me going back to it a lot over time though.
OK, I understand. I'm not talking about the songs themselves or the playing. I'm talking specifically about Tate.
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I feel like anyone accepting this album as anything but the farce it is is so hard up for "old days" Tate that they are seriously dropping their standards.
Nah mate, maybe some but not me. I like Simone's guitar playing a lot and would have checked it even if some shit singer I hated was on it. Well, maybe except Issa. I've always found his songwriting a bit below par but don't mind the songs here. Won't have long lasting affect and the whole thing sounds like it's veen shit out in 5 minutes but his shred is enough to keep me somewhat interested. Don't see me going back to it a lot over time though.
OK, I understand. I'm not talking about the songs themselves or the playing. I'm talking specifically about Tate.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the record, really. It's designed to be evocative of classic QR - melodic heavy metal. Tate sounds alright, which is surprising, given that he recorded his vocals on a tour bus. Credit to Simone for being able to work with such sub-standard material and make it come out sounding ok.
I'm enjoying it for what it is and it's nice to hear Geoff sing on this type of music again, regardless of the drama that now surrounds the album.
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I went into it with a positive attitude. I didn't go into it down on Tate. The first single was pretty decent.
But those comments really tie it up for me. Tate's heart was not in it, and that was clear on the first listen.
It bothers me because this has promise. It's clear to me that Tate didn't give a shit about this, which was basically backed up by Simone's comments.
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I went into it with a positive attitude. I didn't go into it down on Tate. The first single was pretty decent.
But those comments really tie it up for me. Tate's heart was not in it, and that was clear on the first listen.
It bothers me because this has promise. It's clear to me that Tate didn't give a shit about this, which was basically backed up by Simone's comments.
That I agree with. I've just learned to disassociate from the drama. The record came out alright and I can enjoy it for what it is without contemplating Tate's attitude towards the project. Simone is right - it would have been so much better if he put his full effort into it. But he didn't. So be it.
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That I agree with. I've just learned to disassociate from the drama. The record came out alright and I can enjoy it for what it is without contemplating Tate's attitude towards the project. Simone is right - it would have been so much better if he put his full effort into it. But he didn't. So be it.
Amen. That's what we have to do. At the end of the day, you are entertained by music. Music is entertainment. It's not the people making it, its the music itself. Sweet Oblivion was obviously a paycheck, and nothing more, to Tate. And that's not really surprising, given his interests. So, leaving that aside, what was created is enjoyable.
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Both Todd and the interviewer here are way out of order. Shut the fuck up, both of you.
Agree. Can't imagine why anyone would give that clown an interview.
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That I agree with. I've just learned to disassociate from the drama. The record came out alright and I can enjoy it for what it is without contemplating Tate's attitude towards the project. Simone is right - it would have been so much better if he put his full effort into it. But he didn't. So be it.
Amen. That's what we have to do. At the end of the day, you are entertained by music. Music is entertainment. It's not the people making it, its the music itself. Sweet Oblivion was obviously a paycheck, and nothing more, to Tate. And that's not really surprising, given his interests. So, leaving that aside, what was created is enjoyable.
I didn’t know Tate’s attitude until after I listened.
I WANTED to like this and past drama played no part in it. It’s just a phoned in performance. His lack of interest bleeds through the speakers. If people still enjoy that, that’s totally cool.
I just think that’s a pretty low bar. Again, not a comment on the songs or the music. But I guess Frontiers think there’s value in Tate’s name and they’re probably right.
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It's funny how all I ever heard about him was how he's an ass etc and then I see him with Avantasia and Tobi always posts pics of him with Geoff making it look like they are happy, Geoff sounds good. I go see Geoff's show, he looks happy he smiles gives m a high five, I start to wonder, maybe he aint such a bad dude..... and then this. All of this drama is a major turn off for me wanting to check out more of his work, and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
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It's funny how all I ever heard about him was how he's an ass etc and then I see him with Avantasia and Tobi always posts pics of him with Geoff making it look like they are happy, Geoff sounds good. I go see Geoff's show, he looks happy he smiles gives m a high five, I start to wonder, maybe he aint such a bad dude..... and then this. All of this drama is a major turn off for me wanting to check out more of his work, and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
I don't know anything about Tate really, but I have worked with dozens of singers in my day, and just other difficult people. Even the most difficult people in the world to work with have some people they click with very well anyway and things are good. Look at Axl Rose. Dude is, or at least historically, NOT been easy to work with, but Sebastian Bach is always happen to be with him, you know? Sometimes people can be difficult in 95% of the situations and great in the other 5%. Neither negates the other.
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Both Todd and the interviewer here are way out of order. Shut the fuck up, both of you.
Agree.
and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
Perhaps that's because Todd isn't the guy he's painted himself to be all these years. Just food for thought.
Anyway, disappointing about Tate. But TAC -- I wasn't criticizing your criticism. I agree with you. You can tell Tate's heart isn't into the performance on Sweet Oblivion. It's on the same technical level, singing-wise, as his Avantasia spots, but lacks the same sort of passion. Which now is not a surprise, given what we know from Simone.
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It's funny how all I ever heard about him was how he's an ass etc and then I see him with Avantasia and Tobi always posts pics of him with Geoff making it look like they are happy, Geoff sounds good. I go see Geoff's show, he looks happy he smiles gives m a high five, I start to wonder, maybe he aint such a bad dude..... and then this. All of this drama is a major turn off for me wanting to check out more of his work, and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
I don't know anything about Tate really, but I have worked with dozens of singers in my day, and just other difficult people. Even the most difficult people in the world to work with have some people they click with very well anyway and things are good. Look at Axl Rose. Dude is, or at least historically, NOT been easy to work with, but Sebastian Bach is always happen to be with him, you know? Sometimes people can be difficult in 95% of the situations and great in the other 5%. Neither negates the other.
I'll bet every one of us has someone in our lives like that. They are a douche on wheels the majority of the time, but either their spouse worships them, or their boss, or whatever.
For my money, I can separate. Tate is an ass from what I understand (I've never met him myself), but it's unassailable; the vocal performances from the EP through at least Empire are some of the best in prog metal/metal. I saw him open for Kiss on the Warning tour, and he delivered the goods like few I've ever seen. It's personality clashes, and I'm not one of the personalities involved, so it's not like I'm funding pedophilia by buying his records (though I've stayed clear since... Hear In The Now Frontier).
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It's funny how all I ever heard about him was how he's an ass etc and then I see him with Avantasia and Tobi always posts pics of him with Geoff making it look like they are happy, Geoff sounds good. I go see Geoff's show, he looks happy he smiles gives m a high five, I start to wonder, maybe he aint such a bad dude..... and then this. All of this drama is a major turn off for me wanting to check out more of his work, and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
Tobi's also a GT fanboy. He loooooves him. He probably also pays Geoff really well, so Geoff is more courteous to him because he's getting his ego stroked every night in addition to a pretty good payday, since Avantasia is HUGE.
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TLT came out looking really bad with these kind of comments...
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It's funny how all I ever heard about him was how he's an ass etc and then I see him with Avantasia and Tobi always posts pics of him with Geoff making it look like they are happy, Geoff sounds good. I go see Geoff's show, he looks happy he smiles gives m a high five, I start to wonder, maybe he aint such a bad dude..... and then this. All of this drama is a major turn off for me wanting to check out more of his work, and it goes for QR too. It's not like Todd looks good saying these things either.
Tobi's also a GT fanboy. He loooooves him. He probably also pays Geoff really well, so Geoff is more courteous to him because he's getting his ego stroked every night in addition to a pretty good payday, since Avantasia is HUGE.
Indeed. "Hey Geoff, I love you sooooo much, and I'll pay you acconrdingly, please come on tour with me to sing 5-6 songs every night in front of crowds you probably don't see since the Empire tour days".... he'd be a major fool to blow that.
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Indeed. "Hey Geoff, I love you sooooo much, and I'll pay you acconrdingly, please come on tour with me to sing 5-6 songs every night in front of crowds you probably don't see since the Empire tour days".... he'd be a major fool to blow that.
Give him time.
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Indeed. "Hey Geoff, I love you sooooo much, and I'll pay you acconrdingly, please come on tour with me to sing 5-6 songs every night in front of crowds you probably don't see since the Empire tour days".... he'd be a major fool to blow that.
Give him time.
:lol
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Man, just when you think Tate has got his shit back together at least to some extent, he goes off the rails again.
seems there is more to the story from the All That Shreds interview....
per twitter...
(https://i.imgur.com/fE3HDZw.jpg)
Not sure it was a good idea for the interviewer to put that out there, but there it is.
Hey Todd, maybe you might be able to sing longer sets if you guys DID tune down.
And yeah, the journo comes across as unprofessional.
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So it seems Tate will not only perform 'Empire' in its entirety, but also 'Rage for Order' :corn
The first tour dates are also up. It'll be interesting.
http://blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-to-perform-queensryches-entire-rage-for-order-and-empire-albums-on-2020-tour/
And it seems he modified the album covers...
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fmedia%2Fgeofftaterageempire30thanniversaryposter.jpg&hash=3bd2923293ef6e8325f82c8d5c06eacabd6a3c6e)
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And it seems he modified the album covers...
:lol
That is funny.
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Sad. On many levels.
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Holy shit :lol
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Geoff beats QR again LOL. :rollin
Wouldn't mind hearing RFO with the LaTorre QR.
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As much as I'd love to see both of those albums performed in full, I would never give Tate any money again. This isn't coming to St. Louis anyway.
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So it seems Tate will not only perform 'Empire' in its entirety, but also 'Rage for Order' :corn
So basically, the same thing QR did in 2009, except full albums, and nothing from American Soldier? If this were Tate circa 1990, I'd be interested. But Tater 2019? Pass.
And it seems he poorly modified the album covers...
FTFY
Geoff beats QR again LOL. :rollin
Wouldn't mind hearing RFO with the LaTorre QR.
Ditto on both!
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I am going over to Blabbermouth to count how many vest jokes there are :biggrin:
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Maybe you could share some of the um..vest ones.
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So it seems Tate will not only perform 'Empire' in its entirety, but also 'Rage for Order' :corn
So basically, the same thing QR did in 2009, except full albums, and nothing from American Soldier? If this were Tate circa 1990, I'd be interested. But Tater 2019? Pass.
And it seems he poorly modified the album covers...
FTFY
Geoff beats QR again LOL. :rollin
Wouldn't mind hearing RFO with the LaTorre QR.
Ditto on both!
All of this, but man, I haven't seen Tateryche yet and the only reason I'm even remotely considering it is because although I finally got to see one of my two favorite songs (Prophecy) performed with Todd, I still long to see my other, which is Chemical Youth.
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I am going over to Blabbermouth to count how many vest jokes there are :biggrin:
Don't get too invested on that website Brent
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As much as I dislike Tate, I must admit that the redesign of the Empire cover art is actually much better than the original artwork. He actually fixed the stupid jpeg-compression thing around the logo. :lol
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Apples and oranges but let's not forget that Ozzy did a whole live album of Black Sabbath "covers" (since technically he was out of the band).
I'm by no means a Tate supporter but if he thinks his original voice (as in original singer of the band) is a draw enough for people interested in those two albums why shouldn't he go for it? especially since he's not in the situation of "Queensryche themselves did it, I wish I had thought sooner about it".
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I saw Tate play Mindcrime in its entirety a few years ago and had a great time. Between classic QR, Tate, and current QR, I've seen a lot of their material live, but there are still plenty of songs I've missed.
Seeing Rage and Empire in their entirety will fill in a lot of the gaps. And he is playing half an hour from me. I think I'll check it out next year.
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As much as I dislike Tate, I must admit that the redesign of the Empire cover art is actually much better than the original artwork. He actually fixed the stupid jpeg-compression thing around the logo. :lol
Yeah, I can't understand why they released the album with that crap quality cover.
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I hope he does a better job of singing the Empire songs than he did on the re-recordings for FU... Oof.
Also, kinda weird to hear that he's going to play R4O in full given what he said about it in the past...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/queensr-che-singer-it-would-be-great-if-chris-degarmo-wanted-to-rejoin-the-band/
Regarding whether he would ever consider performing the 1986 QUEENSRŸCHE "Rage For Order" in its entirety on a full tour, Tate said, "Probably not. We played the 'Rage For Order' album [as a one-off] in New York [last year], and that was really, really… How should I put it? It wasn't very satisfying. I'll put it that way. It's not a record that has a lot of passion in it; it's kind of cold and clinical. It was a record of its time. It's not an album that has songs on it that resonate with me anymore as a person. So it's not something that I would work very hard to put together.
Still, the Empire stuff might be just about still worth the price of a ticket. That era's about the only one he sings better than Todd just because of how those songs fuck with the passaggio and whilst I far prefer Todd's voice these days he's not exactly the technician Tate was/is.
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So it seems Tate will not only perform 'Empire' in its entirety, but also 'Rage for Order' :corn
The first tour dates are also up. It'll be interesting.
http://blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-to-perform-queensryches-entire-rage-for-order-and-empire-albums-on-2020-tour/
If he can pull off Neue Regel, that would be worth the price of admission by itself! I will seriously consider this if he does a show near me on a good night.
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no star power live
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no start power live
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If this comes here, I'll go check it out. He will likely do what the current Queensryche never does...The build-up spoken section in Empire, which is the best part of that song. Also, Geoff's voice is way warmer than Todd's. The best thing of Geoff's voice, to me, is his warm lower register tone. Then hitting the highs are just an added bonus.
I've been to the current Queensryche, and it's just missing something. They still sound good, though. I'll still see them whenever they come. But, it does feel the band lost it once Chris left.
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no start power live
Geoff, is that you?
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If this comes here, I'll go check it out. He will likely do what the current Queensryche never does...The build-up spoken section in Empire, which is the best part of that song. Also, Geoff's voice is way warmer than Todd's. The best thing of Geoff's voice, to me, is his warm lower register tone. Then hitting the highs are just an added bonus.
I've been to the current Queensryche, and it's just missing something. They still sound good, though. I'll still see them whenever they come. But, it does feel the band lost it once Chris left.
I agree , you said that very well
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no start power live
Geoff, is that you?
Word. I respect his opinion, and I'm all for sticking up for a guy you like, but let's get real. Paul McCartney has pieces of Geoff Tate in his stool. It's not a comparison on any level (and while Tyler is no McCartney either, even he's closer than Geoff Tate).
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Interesting tour. As someone said above, a partial re-hash of the 2009 American Soldier tour, except instead of suites of songs, he's omitting one album entirely (American Soldier) and playing two albums in full (Empire and RFO). If you assume a 10-minute encore, you're looking at just about a two-hour show.
In all honesty, Tate really out-maneuvered QR on this one. He's cornered the market for 2020 and 2021 most likely, on the performance of two full albums, and the current QR CANNOT play more than a couple of Mindcrime songs in a row, otherwise they violate the terms of their settlement agreement (not sure how many in a row, but at last count, I think they've only done two consecutive in a set since the agreement). In essence, Tate has the power to market to promoters, three full records of classic Queensryche (RFO, Mindcrime, Empire), and has gotten ahead of QR in announcing the 2020 dates, which makes it, theoretically, more difficult for QR to book shows. Of course, current QR can play their current thing, and play tracks from Empire and RFO, and their current set differs enough to make it viable. But I have to imagine, if Tate is the road dog he always seems to be, promoters are going to be wary of booking two acts playing classic Queensryche material, throughout the U.S.
Don't get me wrong, I think both acts will get booked. But Tate getting out in front of QR in terms of announcing tour dates, announcing two full classic album performances, and holding the exclusive right to perform Mindcrime...that could cause promoters to hit the pause button if current QR looks to tour in the same cities/venues in the same general timeframe. My guess is, Tate has a lot more dates booked for this, just not announcing yet. For example, he's playing the Western U.S. again doing Mindcrime this fall (I'm not attending, since I saw the same show last year). So, he wouldn't announce booked dates yet out here until those shows are done. But I fully expect that he's already deep in talks or has in fact booked a lot more dates for this Empire 30th tour. It'll get bigger once the Empire box set celebrating 30 years is announced too.
I'm guessing West Coast for this will be Fall 2020. I'm looking forward to attending. I am sure he is going to have to drop all the RFO stuff AT LEAST a half-step, if not a full step. Which could be disappointing, but they've dropped Walk in the Shadows a half-step for 15 years, and it sounded fine. And Empire is not easy either. When I saw QR do the American Soldier tour in 2009 out here, Tate had difficulty staying up in his high register for "Resistance" for the first half of the song. He was able to get there and keep it there after Wilton's solo, but it was rough to say the least.
But I'm looking forward to Tate's show regardless. I hope he does an encore of a couple of PL cuts too. I don't think we'll really ever see the current QR pull out something like "One More Time," or "Out of Mind" again.
Anyway, fun looking tour. Excited to check it out when it rolls through.
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no start power live
Geoff, is that you?
Word. I respect his opinion, and I'm all for sticking up for a guy you like, but let's get real. Paul McCartney has pieces of Geoff Tate in his stool. It's not a comparison on any level (and while Tyler is no McCartney either, even he's closer than Geoff Tate).
I was only making the macro point that " see a star singer while they can stiil perform" Im not saying Goeff is Tyler or Paul etc. but Geoff is one of the greatest metal singers in history and if one hasnt seen him Id say go see him and have fun and forget about the drama
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to me ...anytime one can see a star like Geoff , who really is QR at this point, its a gift, like seeing Tyler, Ozzy or Sir Paul, to me the shows will be fun and could be the last time these songs are played. I hate Tods voice hes a total butcher and the band of QR to me has no star power and you couldnt pay me to see Toddryche period, they have no stage presence and no start power live
Geoff, is that you?
Word. I respect his opinion, and I'm all for sticking up for a guy you like, but let's get real. Paul McCartney has pieces of Geoff Tate in his stool. It's not a comparison on any level (and while Tyler is no McCartney either, even he's closer than Geoff Tate).
Id say go see him and have fun and forget about the drama
That's the one thing that I do agree with you on. It's like when Dream Theater hired Derek to replace Kevin. Selingering resentments in the fanbases just go on and on. After a number of years, the drama just doesn't matter anymore.
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Interesting tour. As someone said above, a partial re-hash of the 2009 American Soldier tour, except instead of suites of songs, he's omitting one album entirely (American Soldier) and playing two albums in full (Empire and RFO). If you assume a 10-minute encore, you're looking at just about a two-hour show.
In all honesty, Tate really out-maneuvered QR on this one. He's cornered the market for 2020 and 2021 most likely, on the performance of two full albums, and the current QR CANNOT play more than a couple of Mindcrime songs in a row, otherwise they violate the terms of their settlement agreement (not sure how many in a row, but at last count, I think they've only done two consecutive in a set since the agreement). In essence, Tate has the power to market to promoters, three full records of classic Queensryche (RFO, Mindcrime, Empire), and has gotten ahead of QR in announcing the 2020 dates, which makes it, theoretically, more difficult for QR to book shows. Of course, current QR can play their current thing, and play tracks from Empire and RFO, and their current set differs enough to make it viable. But I have to imagine, if Tate is the road dog he always seems to be, promoters are going to be wary of booking two acts playing classic Queensryche material, throughout the U.S.
Don't get me wrong, I think both acts will get booked. But Tate getting out in front of QR in terms of announcing tour dates, announcing two full classic album performances, and holding the exclusive right to perform Mindcrime...that could cause promoters to hit the pause button if current QR looks to tour in the same cities/venues in the same general timeframe. My guess is, Tate has a lot more dates booked for this, just not announcing yet. For example, he's playing the Western U.S. again doing Mindcrime this fall (I'm not attending, since I saw the same show last year). So, he wouldn't announce booked dates yet out here until those shows are done. But I fully expect that he's already deep in talks or has in fact booked a lot more dates for this Empire 30th tour. It'll get bigger once the Empire box set celebrating 30 years is announced too.
I'm guessing West Coast for this will be Fall 2020. I'm looking forward to attending. I am sure he is going to have to drop all the RFO stuff AT LEAST a half-step, if not a full step. Which could be disappointing, but they've dropped Walk in the Shadows a half-step for 15 years, and it sounded fine. And Empire is not easy either. When I saw QR do the American Soldier tour in 2009 out here, Tate had difficulty staying up in his high register for "Resistance" for the first half of the song. He was able to get there and keep it there after Wilton's solo, but it was rough to say the least.
But I'm looking forward to Tate's show regardless. I hope he does an encore of a couple of PL cuts too. I don't think we'll really ever see the current QR pull out something like "One More Time," or "Out of Mind" again.
Anyway, fun looking tour. Excited to check it out when it rolls through.
Its weird to me, my opinion only, the drop down a half step etc live never bothers me, and at times it makes it sound a bit more modern and less "80s" sounding, and I go to have fun and see a "star" and rock out. To me the live show is about "seeing" a star ( Judas, Aero, Ozzy et etc etc) the show itself as long as its quality is, I dont expect it to sound like the album or "note for note" and with the older bands in their final years its about "seeing" if I want to hear the song on the album sound like the album I can play the album. Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
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I saw an interesting article the other day about celebrities who pay PR firms who hire people to go out and and spread good “word of mouth” around the internet.....especially when said celebrity is trying desperately to recover from a PR nightmare.
Fascinating stuff...
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Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
Wait - your opinion? You mean it's not a fact like everything else you've stated? :omg:
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Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
Wait - your opinion? You mean it's not a fact like everything else you've stated? :omg:
again can you point me to any "facts" on anything on QR, its all only what each side wants to put out as "their position" the only fact that I can see is "it became dysfunctional and then broke down" . I dont think Ive ever posted anything as a "fact" only my personal experiences from the start of the band until today . my only point is I see a lot of venom at Geoff and its not fair if one wants to be truly objective, I do believe Geoff is the only one that can bring the old QR experience today as NU Ryche to me just is a NU band and simply doesnt have that old feel , especially live
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Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
Wait - your opinion? You mean it's not a fact like everything else you've stated? :omg:
again can you point me to any "facts" on anything on QR, its all only what each side wants to put out as "their position" the only fact that I can see is "it became dysfunctional and then broke down" . I dont think Ive ever posted anything as a "fact" only my personal experiences from the start of the band until today . my only point is I see a lot of venom at Geoff and its not fair if one wants to be truly objective, I do believe Geoff is the only one that can bring the old QR experience today as NU Ryche to me just is a NU band and simply doesnt have that old feel , especially live
Not to take sides here, but I'm at best a casual Queensryche fan; from my perspective, they have two truly great albums - O:M and Empire - and a couple decent albums - Rage; I'm indifferent on Warning, though I saw that tour (and they were very good). Having seen him in the day, I'm okay with the assessments of Geoff's talent as world class, but based on my history with the band, I'd consider myself at least reasonably "objective", and I think a good portion of the venom is justified. I'm the first to say that "popular opinion" is flawed - I've met Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley twice each (once together, once each apart), and all three experiences, they could not have been nicer, more humble, or more "present" - but there are too many first hand stories from people whose opinions I respect that paint a less than flattering portrait of a guy that talent or not, is not at the level of artists that have any justification for anything other than humility and grace.
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Its weird to me, my opinion only, the drop down a half step etc live never bothers me, and at times it makes it sound a bit more modern and less "80s" sounding...
Yeah, that's fair. To me, it just depends. Sometimes, it's fine. Others, it ruins the song for me. For instance, Y&T finally started dropping a few of their songs at some point in the '00s. They gradually started dropping some others not long after that. For their songs, it sounds just fine. On the other hand, last time I saw Tesla (around 2010, I think?), they had dropped some of their harder songs, and those songs sounded awful. The "modern" sound was cool. But the songs also just sounded SO muddy, and the drop tuning sucked a lot of the energy, power, and dynamics away. To me, when QR started dropping some of their songs, it was a mixed bag. Some sounded just fine. Others sounded way off in similar ways to those Tesla songs. And that's just the nature of dropping the tuning on a song. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't. As long as it does work, I have no problem with it. If it allows the singer to give a better performance and doesn't suck the life out of the song, go for it. Their re-arrangement of The Lady Wore Black in the very early '00s (see Live Evolution) is a classic example to me of where it works.
To me the live show is about "seeing" a star ( Judas, Aero, Ozzy et etc etc) the show itself as long as its quality is, I dont expect it to sound like the album or "note for note" and with the older bands in their final years its about "seeing" if I want to hear the song on the album sound like the album I can play the album. Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
I get what you are saying, and to an extent, I can agree. But here is where I respectfully disagree with your take, in a few respects: First, sometimes, the "star" can be so offputting that I don't care about seeing the star. Tate is one such example. According to HIS OWN admissions, the things he does not and cannot really dispute, and the things that are out there in the public domain captured on video, and the things a lot of fans and musicians from other bands have seen themselves, Tate, at least at times, is just not a likeable person. Sometimes, I can look past that with some entertainers. With others, I can't. Tate is one where I have a VERY hard time looking past it, both because of the nature of the things he has said and done, and because I personally experienced some of the same things and personally know others who have. So this is a case where I would not enjoy "seeing" him perform. I'm not saying others can't enjoy it. I'm just saying I likely would not, and I fully understand others having the same feeling.
Second, while the fun of seeing the performance can excuse a lot of "imperfections" in the performance, a really subpar performance ruins the experience. For the longest time, Tate's performance absolutely was subpar. And it isn't just that he has aged. It is that he willfully abused his voice AND that he didn't even bother trying to sing properly. And you could hear and see that his performance was just terrible. He has gotten better in recent years than what he was putting out there during a big part of the '00s up through his earlier solo days, so I give him credit for that.
So that's where we differ. As far as Todd's performance, I get what you are saying. But for my money, from a purely performance standpoint, I would take Todd over Tate any day, by a large margin. Yeah, he is not perfect either--he has his own flaws and limitations. But I vastly prefer what he brings to the material. Just my opinion.
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Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
Wait - your opinion? You mean it's not a fact like everything else you've stated? :omg:
again can you point me to any "facts" on anything on QR, its all only what each side wants to put out as "their position" the only fact that I can see is "it became dysfunctional and then broke down" . I dont think Ive ever posted anything as a "fact" only my personal experiences from the start of the band until today . my only point is I see a lot of venom at Geoff and its not fair if one wants to be truly objective, I do believe Geoff is the only one that can bring the old QR experience today as NU Ryche to me just is a NU band and simply doesnt have that old feel , especially live
Not to take sides here, but I'm at best a casual Queensryche fan; from my perspective, they have two truly great albums - O:M and Empire - and a couple decent albums - Rage; I'm indifferent on Warning, though I saw that tour (and they were very good). Having seen him in the day, I'm okay with the assessments of Geoff's talent as world class, but based on my history with the band, I'd consider myself at least reasonably "objective", and I think a good portion of the venom is justified. I'm the first to say that "popular opinion" is flawed - I've met Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley twice each (once together, once each apart), and all three experiences, they could not have been nicer, more humble, or more "present" - but there are too many first hand stories from people whose opinions I respect that paint a less than flattering portrait of a guy that talent or not, is not at the level of artists that have any justification for anything other than humility and grace.
I agree, and well said and I too have had nice experiences with Gene and Paul and Paul is super guy and has many talents including painting as Im sure you are aware.
my point is Geoffs a "rockstar" and not a saint and I think too many want him to be 100% saint, the band for the most part is "quiet" and they come off as a meak victim to the ruthless Geoff but thats far from accurate also in IMO.
PS: Dress to Kill is their Best : )
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Its weird to me, my opinion only, the drop down a half step etc live never bothers me, and at times it makes it sound a bit more modern and less "80s" sounding...
Yeah, that's fair. To me, it just depends. Sometimes, it's fine. Others, it ruins the song for me. For instance, Y&T finally started dropping a few of their songs at some point in the '00s. They gradually started dropping some others not long after that. For their songs, it sounds just fine. On the other hand, last time I saw Tesla (around 2010, I think?), they had dropped some of their harder songs, and those songs sounded awful. The "modern" sound was cool. But the songs also just sounded SO muddy, and the drop tuning sucked a lot of the energy, power, and dynamics away. To me, when QR started dropping some of their songs, it was a mixed bag. Some sounded just fine. Others sounded way off in similar ways to those Tesla songs. And that's just the nature of dropping the tuning on a song. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't. As long as it does work, I have no problem with it. If it allows the singer to give a better performance and doesn't suck the life out of the song, go for it. Their re-arrangement of The Lady Wore Black in the very early '00s (see Live Evolution) is a classic example to me of where it works.
To me the live show is about "seeing" a star ( Judas, Aero, Ozzy et etc etc) the show itself as long as its quality is, I dont expect it to sound like the album or "note for note" and with the older bands in their final years its about "seeing" if I want to hear the song on the album sound like the album I can play the album. Todd to me was way off base with his "note for note" bluster, and to me hes a hot a mess live and has no star power like the rest in QR, but thats just my opinion
I get what you are saying, and to an extent, I can agree. But here is where I respectfully disagree with your take, in a few respects: First, sometimes, the "star" can be so offputting that I don't care about seeing the star. Tate is one such example. According to HIS OWN admissions, the things he does not and cannot really dispute, and the things that are out there in the public domain captured on video, and the things a lot of fans and musicians from other bands have seen themselves, Tate, at least at times, is just not a likeable person. Sometimes, I can look past that with some entertainers. With others, I can't. Tate is one where I have a VERY hard time looking past it, both because of the nature of the things he has said and done, and because I personally experienced some of the same things and personally know others who have. So this is a case where I would not enjoy "seeing" him perform. I'm not saying others can't enjoy it. I'm just saying I likely would not, and I fully understand others having the same feeling.
Second, while the fun of seeing the performance can excuse a lot of "imperfections" in the performance, a really subpar performance ruins the experience. For the longest time, Tate's performance absolutely was subpar. And it isn't just that he has aged. It is that he willfully abused his voice AND that he didn't even bother trying to sing properly. And you could hear and see that his performance was just terrible. He has gotten better in recent years than what he was putting out there during a big part of the '00s up through his earlier solo days, so I give him credit for that.
So that's where we differ. As far as Todd's performance, I get what you are saying. But for my money, from a purely performance standpoint, I would take Todd over Tate any day, by a large margin. Yeah, he is not perfect either--he has his own flaws and limitations. But I vastly prefer what he brings to the material. Just my opinion.
Great post BOSSMAN,
I agree and disagree.. Id see Aero anytime, I could care less if they just wing it and have a riot on stage, for many years Aero was a mess live but I loved it as it was "crazy rockstars" at that time and day .
QR I agree is not that, they had raised the live shows to out of this world on the PL tour and Geoff was the whole show with the band being back up, Geoff was the CHARACTER. I think thats why he will always be the ONE, and QR can only be QR WITH Geoff.
Todd is awful live IMO, hes a butcher, he has zero stage presence and comes off as an amateur, the whole band is off now with no Scott even , they dont practice much and they play a limited set of "songs they all feel comfy with" its all screens and gimmicks now to cover for the horrid sound, I think the whole band honestly is terrible and is certainly NOT the quality of the "real QR" ( whatever real QR is ? LOL ) . I agree with you at the latter stage of Geoff and QR career its not really that important and all opinion as its kinda over for each.
when I go to a show I kinda want to have mystery ...will it be good? will there be drama? what will the songs sound like? I dont want a stale set of ""cover music" and honestly NU Ryche is horrible to my ears, I dislike VERY MUCH Todd's voice and each song is terrible live, the growling, the chanting, the horrible stage show, the whole sound is off . I much rather go see if Geoff is going to have a good night? and Ive always enjoyed him with or without QR, its not like his vocals are as bad as Coverdales ? LOL
thanks for the post and discussion, sorry if I ramble
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Todd is awful live IMO, hes a butcher, he has zero stage presence and comes off as an amateur, the whole band is off now with no Scott even , they dont practice much and they play a limited set of "songs they all feel comfy with" its all screens and gimmicks now to cover for the horrid sound, I think the whole band honestly is terrible and is certainly NOT the quality of the "real QR" ( whatever real QR is ? LOL ) . I agree with you at the latter stage of Geoff and QR career its not really that important and all opinion as its kinda over for each.
when I go to a show I kinda want to have mystery ...will it be good? will there be drama? what will the songs sound like? I dont want a stale set of ""cover music" and honestly NU Ryche is horrible to my ears, I dislike VERY MUCH Todd's voice and each song is terrible live, the growling, the chanting, the horrible stage show, the whole sound is off . I much rather go see if Geoff is going to have a good night? and Ive always enjoyed him with or without QR, its not like his vocals are as bad as Coverdales ? LOL
thanks for the post and discussion, sorry if I ramble
I think this is unfair. I haven't been a supporter of QR's current singer for a few years now, and I've never been fond of how he sings the stuff from Empire and Promised Land (his voice is too thin and lacks the same type of character that made those songs powerful to my ear). But to call him "awful live," a "butcher," and an "amateur" is ridiculous, and a bit much.
I've seen him (La Torre) front QR eight times, including the first two Seattle shows as "Rising West" in 2012. I've been literally standing next to him in the dressing room, where he effortlessly, without warming up, goofing around, sang some of the highest notes in the QR catalog. The bottom line is, the man can flat out sing, and sing well. He's just more different than Tate than most people (including me) at the outset realized. Tate commanded the audience with his really powerful voice, and this intense stage presence he once had. Back in the 80s and 90s, you were captivated by him. La Torre isn't that kind of singer/frontman. La Torre prefers to run around, swing his hair around, scream, growl, and hit high notes like a European metal singer, etc. He doesn't have that same kind of commanding presence Tate had back in the day. La Torre's a metal guy, Tate is a cerebral, progressive rock guy who once had an operatic voice. Very different headspaces, and it shows in their performances (classic Tate vs. current La Torre).
It's a whole different vibe, and their voices and approaches to singing may sound similar at times, but are clearly different. La Torre's head voice is nowhere near as powerful as Tate's was back in the day. Sure, La Torre can hit a note, but while it is high, it doesn't have the same powerful resonance that Tate did doing the same note back in the 80s. Overall, Tate just has a more powerful voice. La Torre can't help that. His voice is how it is. He's not a clone. He can't be. He does the best he can to be himself as a singer and frontman, but still stay a bit loyal to what people remember. It's not an easy job following a legend whose voice, when in its prime, was compared to all time tenor vocalists.
Look, I'm not really a fan of La Torre any longer at all, so for people who know me, the above might seem strange coming from me, but IMO, insulting La Torre the way you have seems like less of an opinion, and more like mud-slinging. That's not for me to decide, that's bosk's job. But as an observation, if you want people to take you seriously, you may want to consider being a little more thoughtful in expressing your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>Going back to the upcoming Empire 30th tour, I'm interested to see who comprises Tate's band. I really hope he changes things up, and has enough $$$ coming in from promoters that he can bring in a couple of different people. His band now is OK, but I'd really like to see him pull in some guys from QR's past. This may sound funny, but I'd actually really dig Tate asking Kelly Gray and Mike Stone to play guitar instead of the current guys (although that Irish dude he has stage left is really good). I also think Bruno Sa, who toured with Tate last year, should absolutely do the keyboards. He can also sing (as can Stone and Gray) and that would really help with the vocals.
The drummer situation just sucks. Honestly, I wish whatever ails Scott (Tate has alluded to him being in a "dark place," which often is synonymous with dependency issues) could be overcome. I think Tate, Rockenfield, Gray, Stone, Sa, and a good bass player could make this a really special tour. Then again, you have to have the $$$ to pay these guys and make it worth it for them. And since I don't know what kind of guarantees Tate is getting from promoters, my guess is, a lineup like that is probably not going to be a reality.
It will, however, be nice to hear some other songs again, like One and Only, Hand on Heart, Anybody Listening, Resistance, Chemical Youth, Surgical Strike, etc. I'm a little scared to hear "Neue Regel" and "Screaming in Digital" performed though, and "Anybody Listening." Those are three of my personal favorites and I just hope they can be delivered well live.
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[LaTorre doesn't suck]
:tup Great post. And specifically:
I think this is unfair. I haven't been a supporter of QR's current singer for a few years now, and I've never been fond of how he sings the stuff from Empire and Promised Land (his voice is too thin and lacks the same type of character that made those songs powerful to my ear). But to call him "awful live," and a "butcher," and "amateur" is ridiculous, and a bit much.
Look, I'm not really a fan of La Torre any longer at all, so for people who know me, the above might seem strange to ready coming from me, but insulting the guy the way you have seems like less of an opinion, and more like mud-slinging. That's not for me to decide, that's bosk's job. But as an observation, if you want people to take you seriously, you may want to consider being a little more thoughtful in expressing your opinion.
Exactly. This is basically what I and others have been calling EPICVIEW out on. Opinions are fine. But they can also cross the line when presented improperly.
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Can't speak to all the venues, but the place in Connecticut he's playing next February is capacity 600 (Toad's Place, a legendary club that DT played a lot in the early days, is about 750) and for reference, a month or so before, a couple guys I went to high school with (one of them married my high school girlfriend) are playing in their 80's metal cover band (think "Metal Skool" without the fun, the talent and the irony). I can't see this as being Geoff's version of the "Not In This Lifetime" tour. ;)
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Can't speak to all the venues, but the place in Connecticut he's playing next February is capacity 600 (Toad's Place, a legendary club that DT played a lot in the early days, is about 750) and for reference, a month or so before, a couple guys I went to high school with (one of them married my high school girlfriend) are playing in their 80's metal cover band (think "Metal Skool" without the fun, the talent and the irony). I can't see this as being Geoff's version of the "Not In This Lifetime" tour. ;)
Been to Toad's many times. I don't think this tour will be like Not in This Lifetime either. LOL. I'm just saying, some of the B-list QR alum (Stone, Gray) would be cool for me personally. Obviously, I don't think, given the venues, the money will be available to do that. :lol
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Can't speak to all the venues, but the place in Connecticut he's playing next February is capacity 600 (Toad's Place, a legendary club that DT played a lot in the early days, is about 750) and for reference, a month or so before, a couple guys I went to high school with (one of them married my high school girlfriend) are playing in their 80's metal cover band (think "Metal Skool" without the fun, the talent and the irony). I can't see this as being Geoff's version of the "Not In This Lifetime" tour. ;)
Been to Toad's many times. I don't think this tour will be like Not in This Lifetime either. LOL. I'm just saying, some of the B-list QR alum (Stone, Gray) would be cool for me personally. Obviously, I don't think, given the venues, the money will be available to do that. :lol
If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Toad's again, reach out. Beer's on me.
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He doesn't like lawyers.
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That's okay; neither do I. :) :) :) :)
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If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Toad's again, reach out. Beer's on me.
I will at some point. Went to law school up that way. Need to head back at some point. Haven't been back since graduation (almost 20 years). About time for a return trip. :lol
He doesn't like lawyers.
Truth. :rollin
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Todd is awful live IMO, hes a butcher, he has zero stage presence and comes off as an amateur, the whole band is off now with no Scott even , they dont practice much and they play a limited set of "songs they all feel comfy with" its all screens and gimmicks now to cover for the horrid sound, I think the whole band honestly is terrible and is certainly NOT the quality of the "real QR" ( whatever real QR is ? LOL ) . I agree with you at the latter stage of Geoff and QR career its not really that important and all opinion as its kinda over for each.
when I go to a show I kinda want to have mystery ...will it be good? will there be drama? what will the songs sound like? I dont want a stale set of ""cover music" and honestly NU Ryche is horrible to my ears, I dislike VERY MUCH Todd's voice and each song is terrible live, the growling, the chanting, the horrible stage show, the whole sound is off . I much rather go see if Geoff is going to have a good night? and Ive always enjoyed him with or without QR, its not like his vocals are as bad as Coverdales ? LOL
thanks for the post and discussion, sorry if I ramble
I think this is unfair. I haven't been a supporter of QR's current singer for a few years now, and I've never been fond of how he sings the stuff from Empire and Promised Land (his voice is too thin and lacks the same type of character that made those songs powerful to my ear). But to call him "awful live," and a "butcher," and "amateur" is ridiculous, is a bit much.
I've seen him (La Torre) front QR eight times, including the first two Seattle shows as "Rising West" in 2012. I've been literally standing next to him in the dressing room, where he effortlessly, without warming up, goofing around, sang some of the highest notes in the QR catalog. The bottom line is, the man can flat out sing, and sing well. He's just more different than Tate than most people (including me) at the outset realized. Tate commanded the audience with his really powerful voice, and this intense stage presence he once had. Back in the 80s and 90s, you were captivated by him. La Torre isn't that kind of singer/frontman. La Torre prefers to run around, swing his hair around, scream, growl, and hit high notes like a European metal singer, etc. He doesn't have that same kind of commanding presence Tate had back in the day. La Torre's a metal guy, Tate is a cerebral, progressive rock guy who once had an operatic voice. Very different headspaces, and it shows in their performances (classic Tate vs. current La Torre).
It's a whole different vibe, and their voices and approaches to singing may sound similar at times, but are clearly different. La Torre's head voice is nowhere near as powerful as Tate's was back in the day. Sure, La Torre can hit a note, but while it is high, it doesn't have the same powerful resonance that Tate did doing the same note back in the 80s. Overall, Tate just has a more powerful voice. La Torre can't help that. His voice is how it is. He's not a clone. He can't be. He does the best he can to be himself as a singer and frontman, but still stay a bit loyal to what people remember. It's not an easy job following a legend whose voice, when in its prime, was compared to all time tenor vocalists.
Look, I'm not really a fan of La Torre any longer at all, so for people who know me, the above might seem strange coming from me, but IMO, insulting La Torre the way you have seems like less of an opinion, and more like mud-slinging. That's not for me to decide, that's bosk's job. But as an observation, if you want people to take you seriously, you may want to consider being a little more thoughtful in expressing your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>Going back to the upcoming Empire 30th tour, I'm interested to see who comprises Tate's band. I really hope he changes things up, and has enough $$$ coming in from promoters that he can bring in a couple of different people. His band now is OK, but I'd really like to see him pull in some guys from QR's past. This may sound funny, but I'd actually really dig Tate asking Kelly Gray and Mike Stone to play guitar instead of the current guys (although that Irish dude he has stage left is really good). I also think Bruno Sa, who toured with Tate last year, should absolutely do the keyboards. He can also sing (as can Stone and Gray) and that would really help with the vocals.
The drummer situation just sucks. Honestly, I wish whatever ails Scott (Tate has alluded to him being in a "dark place," which often is synonymous with dependency issues) could be overcome. I think Tate, Rockenfield, Gray, Stone, Sa, and a good bass player could make this a really special tour. Then again, you have to have the $$$ to pay these guys and make it worth it for them. And since I don't know what kind of guarantees Tate is getting from promoters, my guess is, a lineup like that is probably not going to be a reality.
It will, however, be nice to hear some other songs again, like One and Only, Hand on Heart, Anybody Listening, Resistance, Chemical Youth, Surgical Strike, etc. I'm a little scared to hear "Neue Regel" and "Screaming in Digital" performed though, and "Anybody Listening." Those are three of my personal favorites and I just hope they can be delivered well live.
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cool post and cool discussion, I simply do not like the sound of Todds voice at all, and Geoffs voice is much more pleasing to my ears even today. as far as Todds live stage presences, to me, its comical and simply does not have any QR feel ( whatever QR feel is ?LOL) it like hes trying too hard? where Tate made it look easy and as far as an entertainer Geoff simply has that ability to command the stage, Todd today can never do what Geoff did 20 years ago and to me they are apples and oranges, I dont get caught up in the high note stuff as I feel its awkward and out of date sounding , I never liked Slaughter or Vinnie Vincent type stuff ) to my ears Rob Halford is the master of the perfect amount and today if Rob couldnt hit any high notes Id still love Rob. thats how I feel about Geoff. its a fun convo and to me this sort of convo is more entertaining than Geoffs music or QR music apart from each other. I personally dont want a reunion I want Geoff to get a true stud band like Rob did and do the QR songs, but his current bands seem ok and do give the QR vibe. I personally see nothing in the current NU Ryche to even like and the band to me is a bunch of zilches ( Jackson and Wilton?) Im always sorta confused when people are so gaga over the current Nu Ryche , they might be enjoyable for those who like them, but its simply not QR. IMO . I also enjoy Geoff when hes acoustic and his voice shines on the mellow stuff, maybe Im getting old LOL
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He doesn't like lawyers.
:lol
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God no, not Stone and Grey. The band on the UK tour last summer with the Canadian dude on guitar we’re excellent. The rest I think were from Tate’s daughter’s band. Played Mindcrime flawlessly.
I’m hoping when I see Tate in a few weeks he does the whole of RFO , but I think it was billed as a greatest hits show.
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I get why bands do it, but it seems to be a thing now where bands think "let's replace our old iconic singer with a new one who sounds a lot like him." Judas Priest did it, Journey did it, Styx did it, Yes did it, Queensryche did it, etc. And there will always be a segment of longtime fans who are turned off by a poor man's whomever (since the new singer is almost never as good as the older one).
Imagine if Van Halen had replaced David Lee Roth in the mid 80's with a guy who sounded just like him instead of getting Sammy Hagar, who had a very different sound and style. They would have flopped.
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I get why bands do it, but it seems to be a thing now where bands think "let's replace our old iconic singer with a new one who sounds a lot like him." Judas Priest did it, Journey did it, Styx did it, Yes did it, Queensryche did it, etc. And there will always be a segment of longtime fans who are turned off by a poor man's whomever (since the new singer is almost never as good as the older one).
Imagine if Van Halen had replaced David Lee Roth in the mid 80's with a guy who sounded just like him instead of getting Sammy Hagar, who had a very different sound and style. They would have flopped.
Its interesting and there are so many who have tried... but it never seems to work out in the long run
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Iron Maiden went with a different kind of singer and that didn't precisely work good for them.
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God no, not Stone and Grey. The band on the UK tour last summer with the Canadian dude on guitar we’re excellent. The rest I think were from Tate’s daughter’s band. Played Mindcrime flawlessly.
If they can play that mid-song riff break in Suite Sister Mary without it sounding all cheery and bouncy like Robert Sarzo did it's a good start :lol
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Iron Maiden went with a different kind of singer and that didn't precisely work good for them.
not the same 3 years maybe versus 30 years and the band Maiden is a far superior band with each member a bigger element and more well known. some of old timers like me still like Paul and were not not happy when Bruce came in
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
ah my bad LOL
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
Shows you how well it went, when people completely forget about Blaze :lol
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Who?
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
Shows you how well it went, when people completely forget about Blaze :lol
I just saw Blaze headline two shows this year. The first because one of my favorite local-ish bands (MindMaze) was opening. Blaze was not on my radar at all and within three weeks of that first show, I had his entire solo catalog. There are some killer tracks from the two Maiden albums with Blaze and I always liked that they are not completely disregarded by the band the way the Ripper albums are by Judas Priest. I wore the Blaze tour shirt when I saw Maiden a few days ago and got some thumbs up from a few people there...
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
Shows you how well it went, when people completely forget about Blaze :lol
very true...
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
Shows you how well it went, when people completely forget about Blaze :lol
I just saw Blaze headline two shows this year. The first because one of my favorite local-ish bands (MindMaze) was opening. Blaze was not on my radar at all and within three weeks of that first show, I had his entire solo catalog. There are some killer tracks from the two Maiden albums with Blaze and I always liked that they are not completely disregarded by the band the way the Ripper albums are by Judas Priest. I wore the Blaze tour shirt when I saw Maiden a few days ago and got some thumbs up from a few people there...
Thats cool ... Its always interesting when a band tries to replace a unique or very talented voice.
its the Dokken thing.. when they split up if one wanted the sound of Dokken it was Dokken solo...etc etc etc ,,, Id say RJD and Rainbow was one where each just were great they both did well and the fans won but The best Rainbow is with RJD by far
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??? He was talking about Blaze.
Shows you how well it went, when people completely forget about Blaze :lol
I just saw Blaze headline two shows this year. The first because one of my favorite local-ish bands (MindMaze) was opening. Blaze was not on my radar at all and within three weeks of that first show, I had his entire solo catalog. There are some killer tracks from the two Maiden albums with Blaze and I always liked that they are not completely disregarded by the band the way the Ripper albums are by Judas Priest. I wore the Blaze tour shirt when I saw Maiden a few days ago and got some thumbs up from a few people there...
Thats cool ... Its always interesting when a band tries to replace a unique or very talented voice.
its the Dokken thing.. when they split up if one wanted the sound of Dokken it was Dokken solo...etc etc etc ,,, Id say RJD and Rainbow was one where each just were great they both did well and the fans won but The bestMY FAVORITE Rainbow is with RJD by far
Fixed. Ritchie Blackmore is my favorite musician by a LONG SHOT, and I actually think that, other than "Rising", the second two JLT records beat anything that came before. "Fire Dance" is likely my favorite vocal performance in the Rainbow discography.
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Hi Stad, I like JLT a lot also, he had a great smooth pleasant voice
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So I happened to be looking into this guy named Simone Mularoni and stumbled across an interesting artlice about his working with Tater on the Sweet Oblivion project. Needless to say, sounds like Tater and Susan haven't changed a bit.
https://allthatshreds.com/simone-mularoni-says-geoff-tate-nearly-sabbotaged-sweet-oblivion/
“Serrafino, Chief of Frontiers Records, got me in touch with Geoff Tate and Tate was also happy with the music and the rough vocal melodies I had delivered. Very soon he sent me the first two songs back. (Simone pauses, in order to contain his emotions.) The entire structure of the songs had changed. The guitar solos were erased and the vocal melodies were a closer resemblance to Hip-Hop rather than Metal. Besides that, he added all sorts of strange keyboard sounds. I was in shock and wondered how Frontiers would feel about this. They were not pleased either and asked me to persuade Tate to stay closer to the original ideas. So I wrote him a polite email, something along the lines of ‘I think my version will do better commercially.’ But his wife, also his manager, throwing a fit, phoned Frontiers and demanded to know what I was thinking, how dare I criticize Tate’s work? Wow, I had a high opinion of Geoff Tate, but now I was summoned to the Frontiers office. Luckily, I had kept all the email correspondence and could show that I hadn’t been rude to Geoff. I told them that I would produce the album for them, but if the final results would be anything like the songs Geoff sent back, I wouldn’t want my name on it.”
Question: The contact with Tate was not so friendly after that?
Answer: What contact? “He simply quit responding to my emails. A few weeks later, I got all my material back. Geoff had recorded his vocals on the tour-bus. Who records vocals on a tour-bus? I struggled for a month just to make it all sound a bit better. Ultimately, the album turned out okay, but If we had done it my way…”
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That was posted a while back maybe somewhere else. Simone got dudded here. And got called to the office to prove he wasn't rude to him after his wife got her tits in a knot. WTF? Frontiers told Simone to contact him to tell him to keep the songs how they were in the first place.
Safe to say there won't be a follow up album.
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Geoff's version is of course completely contradictory to Simone's version.
Geoff loved the process and the fact that they never met, but communicated through e-mail. And he would be open to do a follow-up...
Safe to say there won't be a follow-up, indeed.
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Geoff's version is of course completely contradictory to Simone's version.
Geoff loved the process and the fact that they never met, but communicated through e-mail. And he would be open to do a follow-up...
Safe to say there won't be a follow-up, indeed.
Haha. Simone doesn't seem like a guy who would make this shit up, especially when it sounds like Geoff head to toe.
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Such a shame there was such behind the scenes drama. The record was really good. Showed a lot of promise.
Maybe at some point they'll sit down together and reconcile. But given the different perspectives, I think it's unlikely.
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Gosh reading all this about Tate reminds me of Jon Anderson (Yes). Two guys that are really gifted vocalists and performers who would lift up the quality of any project to which they contribute. Yet their egos and inflated self-opinions make them think that they have this superior vision everyone must follow. They always want to be in charge and calling ALL the shots in their respective bands. Even when it's been demonstrated time and time again that when it comes the MUSICAL aspect of things they are hopelessly out of depth and need other people to write the quality music.
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In case anyone wants to spend eight days with Geoff Tate. Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/here-is-your-chance-to-spend-eight-days-with-geoff-tate/
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The thing I would most look forward to in such an opportunity would be day 9.
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In case anyone wants to spend eight days with Geoff Tate. Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/here-is-your-chance-to-spend-eight-days-with-geoff-tate/
The look on your face in your new avatar is appropriate for this post.
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In case anyone wants to spend eight days with Geoff Tate. Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/here-is-your-chance-to-spend-eight-days-with-geoff-tate/
There isn't a single living person I'd want to spend eight straight, full days with (with the POSSIBLE exception of my wife and kids).
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Checking out the link for the comments :D
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I wouldn't want to spend 8 days with ANY of my favorite favorite musicians. Probably not even my ultimate hero, Bruce Dickinson. One hour or two when I sit down with them and talk with them about whatever crossed my mind about their music would be more than enough before the awkardness would start to set in.
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An evening at a bar with a musician seems more than enough to me, unless we are talking about a week with like Simone Simons or something :lol
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An evening at a bar with a musician seems more than enough to me, unless we are talking about a week with like Simone Simons or something :lol
Good point!
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The thing I would most look forward to in such an opportunity would be day 9.
:lol, why do I get the feeling that he would treat you like an assistant
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I know a lot of you are on the fence about spending 8 day with a famous musician, but 8 days with Amanda Somerville?! :hefdaddy
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I know a lot of you are on the fence about spending 8 day with a famous musician, but 8 days with Amanda Somerville?! :hefdaddy
Chad can go one better - he has spent time on the fence with Amanda Somerville
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I know a lot of you are on the fence about spending 8 day with a famous musician, but 8 days with Amanda Somerville?! :hefdaddy
Chad can go one better - he has spent time on the fence with Amanda Somerville
Didn't take long for someone to pick up on that sneaky reference. ;D
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I know a lot of you are on the fence about spending 8 day with a famous musician, but 8 days with Amanda Somerville?! :hefdaddy
Chad can go one better - he has spent time on the fence with Amanda Somerville
Didn't take long for someone to pick up on that sneaky reference. ;D
Very good :tup - wasn't sure if you meant it or not :lol
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:lol
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I know a lot of you are on the fence about spending 8 day with a famous musician, but 8 days with Amanda Somerville?! :hefdaddy
Chad can go one better - he has spent time on the fence with Amanda Somerville
Didn't take long for someone to pick up on that sneaky reference. ;D
Very good :tup - wasn't sure if you meant it or not :lol
:lol of course!
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Getting pretty close to the launch of Tate's tour celebrating Queensryche's Empire and Rage for Order and playing them in their respective entirety. Starts over in Europe late this month, and then the first leg of the U.S. starts in February. Looking forward to seeing how this is pulled off. Two great records.
I'm hoping, however, that for the encore, he doesn't do the standard Mindcrime stuff. Fingers crossed he throws in "Last Time in Paris," since that was part of the Empire era. No dates for the Western U.S. yet, but I'll go to at least one gig. If it's good, I may take in another. Anyone planning on going?
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Getting pretty close to the launch of Tate's tour celebrating Queensryche's Empire and Rage for Order and playing them in their respective entirety. Starts over in Europe late this month, and then the first leg of the U.S. starts in February. Looking forward to seeing how this is pulled off. Two great records.
I'm hoping, however, that for the encore, he doesn't do the standard Mindcrime stuff. Fingers crossed he throws in "Last Time in Paris," since that was part of the Empire era. No dates for the Western U.S. yet, but I'll go to at least one gig. If it's good, I may take in another. Anyone planning on going?
Probably not but I wish Geoff good health and good luck, he still is a great singer and a great show
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
from what Ive seen he still can do that with ease ,,,the man has a gift for sure
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Getting pretty close to the launch of Tate's tour celebrating Queensryche's Empire and Rage for Order and playing them in their respective entirety. Starts over in Europe late this month, and then the first leg of the U.S. starts in February. Looking forward to seeing how this is pulled off. Two great records.
I'm hoping, however, that for the encore, he doesn't do the standard Mindcrime stuff. Fingers crossed he throws in "Last Time in Paris," since that was part of the Empire era. No dates for the Western U.S. yet, but I'll go to at least one gig. If it's good, I may take in another. Anyone planning on going?
Not planning on going. I saw him do the OM album which I enjoyed and this year I'm going to see QR themselves, but I don't see any reason for me to see GT doing these QR albums. In fact, having already seen him do OM, I'm not sure I personally have much reason to go to any of his solo shows again unless it was part of a larger bill. I'm just not a big enough fan, but if I get sucked into the QR rabbit hole, things could change, just unlikely I think.
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
from what Ive seen he still can do that with ease ,,,the man has a gift for sure
Downtuning, talking parts rather than singing, yelling parts rather than singing, routinely missing notes he is going for or singing out of key, etc. are not even close to "doing the songs justice," let alone doing that "with ease." He clearly had a gift. But hasn't had it in years.
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
from what Ive seen he still can do that with ease ,,,the man has a gift for sure
Downtuning, talking parts rather than singing, yelling parts rather than singing, routinely missing notes he is going for or singing out of key, etc. are not even close to "doing the songs justice," let alone doing that "with ease." He clearly had a gift. But hasn't had it in years.
Look on youtube Hes been mighty impressive lately
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...Starts over in Europe late this month, and then the first leg of the U.S. starts in February. Looking forward to seeing how this is pulled off. Two great records.
....Anyone planning on going?
I'd buy a ticket if he came to Denmark, but sadly he seems to be skipping us. I don't think his show in Copenhagen 3 years ago was that successful, although I enjoyed it.
I'm not travelling far enough to gigs to see one of the Swedish shows :corn.
Same thing goes for the Avantasia shows Geoff has been joining (with great results!). If they came by I'd see them, but so far they haven't :(
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
He was decent last year on some demanding RFO songs when I saw him. He wisely avoided some of the very high stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing this tour, mainly to finally hear Anybody Listening.
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
He was decent last year on some demanding RFO songs when I saw him. He wisely avoided some of the very high stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing this tour, mainly to finally hear Anybody Listening.
great song for sure, Ive noticed Latorre doesnt sing every note and does this odd " Lets have the audience sing it " at the oddest times , I truly hate the guys voice and his whole lame stage antics, I think hes so bad that makes me want Tate back badly!!! I also think Wilton is a very bad watch and all of them, objectively one of the worst bands on stage ever without Tate to watch
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
He was decent last year on some demanding RFO songs when I saw him. He wisely avoided some of the very high stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing this tour, mainly to finally hear Anybody Listening.
I heard him do The Killing Words, full electric on YouTube last summer. Sounded pretty good, and yeah, he avoided going high. Smart move. "Anybody Listening?" is my favorite song of all time. I've been lucky enough to see it live a couple of times with Queensryche (2008 at the Pain in the Grass festival up in Washington), and at soundcheck on the Tribe tour (thanks to Wilton for getting it in there for me). I always wished they would have done it on the PL and HITNF tours so I could have seen it with Chris with my own eyes.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I just hope his band gets tighter.
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I thought the band on the last two tours were very good on the whole. I could do without Tate”s daughters boyfriend on guitar though. He comes across as a complete prick for a nobody.
The Canadian guy on the Mindcrime tour was very good.
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It's cool that he's doing it. But that said, I have serious doubts about whether he can pull off a sizeable amount of that material in a credible way. I'll be curious to know how these shows come off, whether he can do the material justice, and what he does to accommodate his limitations, whether it be downtuning, different arrangements, or whatever.
He was decent last year on some demanding RFO songs when I saw him. He wisely avoided some of the very high stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing this tour, mainly to finally hear Anybody Listening.
great song for sure, Ive noticed Latorre doesnt sing every note and does this odd " Lets have the audience sing it " at the oddest times , I truly hate the guys voice and his whole lame stage antics, I think hes so bad that makes me want Tate back badly!!! I also think Wilton is a very bad watch and all of them, objectively one of the worst bands on stage ever without Tate to watch
I think we heard you the first time mate.
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Tate played in my hometown last night, and since I got a gift card to a ticket office on Xmas, I ended up using it, so I didn't have to pay for a ticket :D Tate was... Tate, in other words: inconsistent. He pulled off Resistance surprisingly well (I'd dare say better than Todd in one of the recent QR live videos I saw), and he sounded good on songs like The Killing Words and I Will Remember, but on the other hand he managed to ruin the verses of Hand on Heart and Anybody Listening? with his off-key singing, and when he tried to go for the very highest notes on the likes of The Whisper, he didn't quite get there. That said, he's stepped up from the days of the horrible live clips from the 2012-2014 era.
Kieran (wasn't he Tate's son-in-law?) was really good on guitar, and from what I could hear the bassist did his job well, but the other guitarist flubbed a few bits and the drummer got lost for a moment in the outro of One and Only, though their playing was pretty solid for the most part. They did an extended jam at the end of Della Brown, which was cool at first, but they got a little carried away with all the shredding. On the other hand, the last part of Chemical Youth had been altered and it actually sounded really cool, making it one of my favorite songs in the set, even though it's the weakest tune on Rage IMO.
Tate's voice wasn't that high in the mix, while the taped backing vocals were ridiculously loud in the Empire set (probably to mask his weaknesses), and his mic kept cutting in and out towards the end, which was mildly annoying. The backing tracks were from the original albums for the most part (though obviously transposed a semitone lower to match the guitars), but it sounded like some of the Rage material had re-recorded keyboards. The venue was actually pretty packed, possibly because QR hasn't played in Finland with Todd yet (which is one of the reasons I ended up going as well), and people were singing along and seemed to really enjoy the show.
On the whole, I'd say it was a 3/5 show, and I didn't go in with high expectations, so I wasn't disappointed. Though the performance was a little hit-or-miss, it was cool to hear 2 great albums in full (plus Last Time in Paris and Eyes of a Stranger) and Tate and the band were energetic and having fun, despite having flown in from Australia.
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He's playing a 400 seat theater about 15 miles from my house, tickets are $25. I'm pretty much a guarantee for that. If nothing else, the experience should be good. That's similar to how I saw Vivian Campbell, and that was a hoot.
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Is Felix from Avantasia still on drums for this tour?
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Tate played in my hometown last night, and since I got a gift card to a ticket office on Xmas, I ended up using it, so I didn't have to pay for a ticket :D Tate was... Tate, in other words: inconsistent. He pulled off Resistance surprisingly well (I'd dare say better than Todd in one of the recent QR live videos I saw), and he sounded good on songs like The Killing Words and I Will Remember, but on the other hand he managed to ruin the verses of Hand on Heart and Anybody Listening? with his off-key singing, and when he tried to go for the very highest notes on the likes of The Whisper, he didn't quite get there. That said, he's stepped up from the days of the horrible live clips from the 2012-2014 era.
Kieran (wasn't he Tate's son-in-law?) was really good on guitar, and from what I could hear the bassist did his job well, but the other guitarist flubbed a few bits and the drummer got lost for a moment in the outro of One and Only, though their playing was pretty solid for the most part. They did an extended jam at the end of Della Brown, which was cool at first, but they got a little carried away with all the shredding. On the other hand, the last part of Chemical Youth had been altered and it actually sounded really cool, making it one of my favorite songs in the set, even though it's the weakest tune on Rage IMO.
Tate's voice wasn't that high in the mix, while the taped backing vocals were ridiculously loud in the Empire set (probably to mask his weaknesses), and his mic kept cutting in and out towards the end, which was mildly annoying. The backing tracks were from the original albums for the most part (though obviously transposed a semitone lower to match the guitars), but it sounded like some of the Rage material had re-recorded keyboards. The venue was actually pretty packed, possibly because QR hasn't played in Finland with Todd yet (which is one of the reasons I ended up going as well), and people were singing along and seemed to really enjoy the show.
On the whole, I'd say it was a 3/5 show, and I didn't go in with high expectations, so I wasn't disappointed. Though the performance was a little hit-or-miss, it was cool to hear 2 great albums in full (plus Last Time in Paris and Eyes of a Stranger) and Tate and the band were energetic and having fun, despite having flown in from Australia.
Thanks for the detailed review. LOVE the fact they are doing Last Time in Paris as part of the encore! Yep, both Tate and QR are now using backing tracks for some of the background vocals. Very obvious for both bands. Ed and Parker are singing the background, but there are some layers that are provided by backing tracks. Sounds like the same for Tate. Is what it is these days. I remember when they never used them, and it was just Chris and Ed. Miss that.
Looking forward to the Tate gig whenever the western U.S. gets dates announced.
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Regarding backing tracks:
I remember when they never used them, and it was just Chris and Ed.
Eh...I'm pretty sure they used backing tracks as far back as the Building Empires tour at the very least. I think they've used backing tracks to varying degrees for a LONG time now.
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Good for Geoff. He loves to perform, what I did see I thought was pretty darn good and IMO gives the QR experience and emotion
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Video footage of Geoff performing Rage and empire in their entireties: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/watch-geoff-tate-perform-queensryches-entire-rage-for-order-and-empire-albums-in-norway/
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Regarding backing tracks:I remember when they never used them, and it was just Chris and Ed.
Eh...I'm pretty sure they used backing tracks as far back as the Building Empires tour at the very least. I think they've used backing tracks to varying degrees for a LONG time now.
Uh, yeah. I was talking historically, back in the 80s, when they replicated all that Rage stuff live.
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Oh, OK. I thought you were just talking in general.
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Video footage of Geoff performing Rage and empire in their entireties: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/watch-geoff-tate-perform-queensryches-entire-rage-for-order-and-empire-albums-in-norway/
Listened to the Rage set. General thoughts: I had low expectations of Tate going in, just from experience and seeing him drastically decline through the years. He sounded really shaky on Walk in the Shadows, but got better as he went on and sounded better than expected through most of the first part of the Rage set. But from London on was actually worse than expected. The backing band is okay. I liked the more modern guitar tone for everything except the solos. It is kind of similar to the problem when Stone joined Queensryche. For the backing riffs and chords, his tone added a nice "updated" feeling. But for leads, his tone was just too thin and shrill, and did not feel well-suited for the material. Similar thing going on here.
I will check out the Empire set as well, but am sort of "pre-cringing" at the thought of the vocals.
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I listened to "Best I Can," which in my opinion was okay vocally, and I skipped ahead to the start of "Anybody Listening," which Geoff butchered badly. That's at 58:00. I'll check out a little more tonight though.
On an unrelated note, I thought Tate's band was called Operation Mindcrime or Geoff Tate's Operation Mindcrime. Is he no longer using that? Looks like the tour poster on Blabbermouth and the stage banners just say "Geoff Tate." Maybe he just did that to avoid confusion since he's performing Rage and Empire, and not Mindcrime this time.
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Last Time in Paris sounded good. A good chunk of Rage sounded good too. I didn't listen to the Empire stuff other than a few seconds.
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Video footage of Geoff performing Rage and empire in their entireties: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/watch-geoff-tate-perform-queensryches-entire-rage-for-order-and-empire-albums-in-norway/
Damn, not a big turn out. Looked like more people went to the NJ show I saw last year. Also, interested in seeing how many show up for QR next week when I see them, I think it will help having a legit opener though.
Also, I can't tell from the video since I so far havent seen a clear shot, but it does not look like Felix from Avantasia is on the drums for this tour.
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Everything I listened to on the Rage part sounded pretty good to me.
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Last Time in Paris sounded good. A good chunk of Rage sounded good too. I didn't listen to the Empire stuff other than a few seconds.
Strong contender for my favorite QR song. That alone is enough to get me to go.
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I finally watched some youtubes of Geoff and his OMC band doing the whole Rage and Empire sets and I thought it was really quite good, almost shockingly good!! for 61 or 62 Geoff is amazing and it was a very long show and set. I was about to give up on Geoff but wow he sounded great and the show was very satisfying to an old QR fan like me. I actually really liked his band and the energy and the more metal sound at times, at times I was shocked how little I missed the old qr guys it really made me understand that Geoff is QR period as of today
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For me, it was an interesting listening experience. As I mentioned above, he was all over the place. There were times when he was at or far below my VERY low expectations for him. But there were also plenty where he pleasantly exceeded them and sounded like what I would only hope a Geoff Tate of his age would sound like. I can't overlook the bad (takes me right back to how he pretty much single-handedly ruined some of the latter QR albums, including the unforgivably bad performance on American Soldier, which could otherwise have been one of my favorite albums from them). But I can definitely give him props for the good, which was at times VERY good.
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For me, it was an interesting listening experience. As I mentioned above, he was all over the place. There were times when he was at or far below my VERY low expectations for him. But there were also plenty where he pleasantly exceeded them and sounded like what I would only hope a Geoff Tate of his age would sound like. I can't overlook the bad (takes me right back to how he pretty much single-handedly ruined some of the latter QR albums, including the unforgivably bad performance on American Soldier, which could otherwise have been one of my favorite albums from them). But I can definitely give him props for the good, which was at times VERY good.
I agree Boss.If I was to hold it to the old late 80s early 90s performances Id find lots of faults if I was the type to look for faults at a live show , but in 2020 this was truly amazing and Id tell all younger people if they want to experience the old Rage and Empire feel to go see this show, I found his band very good and I think Geoff has found backing singers that he connects with , he hasnt had that since Chris left. the audience it appeared loved the show
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I think the key thing is a person's ability and desire to evolve with the band, the members' ages, and their playing/singing ability. It took me a bit, but I've accepted that Tate simply will not sound like I remember back in his prime. The damage done to his voice is what it is. There's no going back. So if you can accept that and still get enjoyment out of what he CAN do, then you focus on that.
It's the same with Queensryche's evolution with the original lineup. Some people just liked the metal years of the 80s. And I get that. And after that, they checked out. Totally understandable. But as the band evolved, I evolved with it, and continued to appreciate it. Not everyone could. TAC, who is a great guy, and has great taste in tunes, generally checked out after Empire, because PL went down a path he didn't dig. And I get it.
So applying the same to what exists now with Tate, and separately, Queensryche, really helps. If you get some enjoyment out of something, embrace that, and don't dwell too long on what the performance ISN'T. Lord knows I have my nitpicks of both Tate and QR these days from a live perspective. Certain things not sounding good to me, etc. But those songs are, after all this time, just as much "ours" as fans as they are the band's. And if you love those songs, and have the ability and desire to overlook some limitations in how they are now performed, then you can find enjoyment in it. And if you can't, then obviously just don't buy a ticket. Took me waaaaayyyy too long to get to that in my mind, which is a shame.
I'm looking forward to Tate when he gets to my area in the fall. No, it won't be vintage 1991 Tate, and no it won't be 2005 Tate when he was upping his game when sharing the stage with Halford. But Tate will have his moments, and his band will improve, and it will be fun to see all of Rage and Empire performed live, along with Last Time in Paris (which I've never seen live by any incarnation of the band).
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Unless I'm misremembering, I saw Last Time in Paris when I saw them in Portland on the Take Cover tour.
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I stuck around a little longer than Tim, I made it to Hear In The Now Frontier. I didn’t enjoy that one and I kept trying with subsequent releases but they just kept getting worse. Not even the return of Chris helped - and he was responsible for HITNF anyway.
I have my ticket for Tate’s show soon. I’ve enjoyed the last two times seeing him and the band are very good. I could do without Tate”s daughter’s boyfriend- he seems a bit of a clever shit.
I almost didn’t go to that first show because I blame him for the death of my once favourite band, and the videos I’d seen of him in recent years were shockingly bad, but I’m glad I did
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Is Tate's daughter's band still opening for this round of touring?
Got to say, I'm not a fan of that. It's certainly nice of the father and seems reasonable from a father to support his daughter every way possible, but similar to Steve Harris having his kids open for him, it really sucks from a fan perspective. Those bands didn't earn those opening slots and their music proves it. One thing QR has over them, bringing a legit opener in John 5. I bet there's more people for QR this weekend than there were for GT last summer at the same venue and having solid support is one reason.
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I'm looking forward to Tate when he gets to my area in the fall. No, it won't be vintage 1991 Tate, and no it won't be 2005 Tate when he was upping his game when sharing the stage with Halford. But Tate will have his moments, and his band will improve, and it will be fun to see all of Rage and Empire performed live, along with Last Time in Paris (which I've never seen live by any incarnation of the band).
Did you see the Mindcrime I theatrical tour in early 2005? The first set was greatest hits and they played Last Time in Paris in that set. I saw that tour twice.
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Just watching the RFO set. Jeez, they are murdering the solos 😳.
They’ve lost a guitarist since I saw them in the summer, and a keyboard player too iirc.
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Did you see the Mindcrime I theatrical tour in early 2005? The first set was greatest hits and they played Last Time in Paris in that set. I saw that tour twice.
Yep, I did. According to setlist.fm then, I did in fact see the song performed. After almost 40 times seeing these guys, many of the performances blur together, except for the original band and a handful of gigs afterward.
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Tate played my hometown over the weekend and I had a bunch of friends at the show.
One of them, my buddy Adam, took this of "The Thin Line" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCoWfXvOKU
It sounds pretty damn good. The band is improving, quickly. That sounded pretty tight. Tate has background vocals piped in, as you can clearly hear them. But Tate's lead singing is pretty good too. I really enjoyed that. And nice seeing the sax return. For those that don't know, the demo of "The Thin Line" featured Tate on sax. So its always cool to see him pull it out and play some of that.
Looks like the show is a solid two hours, and the venues over the weekend (both on Long Island and in New England) were completely sold out. Really cool to see. Looking forward to seeing this tour when dates are announced by me. I haven't seen Tate or Queensryche in multiple shows on the same tour for seven years. I may have to see Tate back-to-back if this is the quality we're getting.
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Tate definitely sounded good at the Long Island show. The band sounded tight too. I was impressed. They even added nice little touches to the performance, like the band collectively pausing after the instrumental section of "Surgical Strike" and Tate saying to the crowd "Can you believe that?!" before they continued with the rest of the song a moment later. And there was good intersection between the band members on stage -- you could tell they were having fun. Overall, it was very enjoyable. Crowd was much bigger than I expected too. Here's my video of the end of "Anybody Listening?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik3ADCL7OVc
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Tate definitely sounded good at the Long Island show. The band sounded tight too. I was impressed. They even added nice little touches to the performance, like the band collectively pausing after the instrumental section of "Surgical Strike" and Tate saying to the crowd "Can you believe that?!" before they continued with the rest of the song a moment later. And there was good intersection between the band members on stage -- you could tell they were having fun. Overall, it was very enjoyable. Crowd was much bigger than I expected too. Here's my video of the end of "Anybody Listening?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik3ADCL7OVc
Mike,
That sounded pretty damn good! :metal
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I listened to "Best I Can," which in my opinion was okay vocally, and I skipped ahead to the start of "Anybody Listening," which Geoff butchered badly. That's at 58:00. I'll check out a little more tonight though.
On an unrelated note, I thought Tate's band was called Operation Mindcrime or Geoff Tate's Operation Mindcrime. Is he no longer using that? Looks like the tour poster on Blabbermouth and the stage banners just say "Geoff Tate." Maybe he just did that to avoid confusion since he's performing Rage and Empire, and not Mindcrime this time.
Yeah, the show over here was simply billed as Geoff Tate. I think either O:MC was buried after the trilogy was done or he didn't want to use the name for these RFO/Empire dates to create confusion as to what he was going to play.
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Help me out folks. Geoff Tate's opening note. At first I wanted to say "NO, that's not live." then the end, and the subsequent choruses, I thought it was absolutely live.
I checked out this from May 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGQyM3Q7QU
And this from May 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ug6bNJs-I
>>>>>He's bending over every time...which he used to do back in the early 83 EP years. But nowadays...I mean, is that opening note really live, or is there some technology that allows him to trigger something?
I want to believe he sounds like this now, but...if it really is real, damn. Not bad, Geoff. Not bad.
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I think they're different each time, so yeah! Impressive.
I'd be amazed if he was trying to get away with, what? Mining to a tape in a club setting? Just can't see that either working or being something he'd do.
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Help me out folks. Geoff Tate's opening note. At first I wanted to say "NO, that's not live." then the end, and the subsequent choruses, I thought it was absolutely live.
I checked out this from May 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGQyM3Q7QU
And this from May 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ug6bNJs-I
>>>>>He's bending over every time...which he used to do back in the early 83 EP years. But nowadays...I mean, is that opening note really live, or is there some technology that allows him to trigger something?
I want to believe he sounds like this now, but...if it really is real, damn. Not bad, Geoff. Not bad.
First one seems live, second one does not if you ask me.
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I saw Geoff perform live earlier this year. The gig was amazing, I loved it. He sang great and was extremely humble (for Geoff). Queen of the Reich was the last song, played as the second song encore after Eyes of a Stranger. It appeared to have been played impromptu because the crowd were going crazy. ie It wasn't played at other gigs at the time. I genuinely believed he was singing the whole time and he really did do a great job.
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If it’s truly live, good for him.
Geoff’s singing is much more impressive than the hacks playing behind him. Good grief, the band is bad.
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I think both seem live. He sings the rest of the song in a consistent with that note sound, IMO. Although that bend is really awkward, shouldn't that make it harder to hit high notes like that? Regardless, the rest of the song sounds much better than last time I was checking him out with that whole cabaret shit and Ryche (around the time of Rising West).
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Help me out folks. Geoff Tate's opening note. At first I wanted to say "NO, that's not live." then the end, and the subsequent choruses, I thought it was absolutely live.
I checked out this from May 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGQyM3Q7QU
And this from May 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ug6bNJs-I
>>>>>He's bending over every time...which he used to do back in the early 83 EP years. But nowadays...I mean, is that opening note really live, or is there some technology that allows him to trigger something?
I want to believe he sounds like this now, but...if it really is real, damn. Not bad, Geoff. Not bad.
First one seems live, second one does not if you ask me.
Second one sounds a bit more fake but I think thats just the audio from the phone being poor. Seems live to me both times.
I'm pretty sure one could trigger this to fake it, but I'm not sure there's a point to doing that at all if he's going to sing everything else live. The bend doesn't seem to be an issue to me because he's still facing the crowd. If he turned around it might make it a bit more questionable.
You know what sucks though? I hate how that it's so common for live bands to "fake it" with backing tracks and other tricks that it makes you question who really is live. Every single concert I go to I'm constantly trying to figure out if there's backing tracks and what not these days.
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Both sound completely live to me and Geoff is sounding really good.
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I'm glad the consensus is that it is live. Wow. Good stuff.
As for Geoff bending over, that's actually how he did that note in early '83 on their first tour with Quiet Riot.
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I saw the Motley Crue highlights from the stadium tour which clearly had backing tapes. I'm not sure of the venues that Geoff is playing, but if they recommended backing tapes for him, that would be a major eye roller. If the scream sounded good and Geoff sounded poor after that I might think that was possibly true, but Geoff really sounds good on all of the clips Ive watched.
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Help me out folks. Geoff Tate's opening note. At first I wanted to say "NO, that's not live." then the end, and the subsequent choruses, I thought it was absolutely live.
I checked out this from May 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGQyM3Q7QU
And this from May 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ug6bNJs-I
>>>>>He's bending over every time...which he used to do back in the early 83 EP years. But nowadays...I mean, is that opening note really live, or is there some technology that allows him to trigger something?
I want to believe he sounds like this now, but...if it really is real, damn. Not bad, Geoff. Not bad.
That's all live. If you compare just the opening notes, the second video is slightly shorter in the sustain.
And people, if you've heard recordings/bootlegs where the lead vocal is lip-synced, you can very easily tell. It never sounds live at all. It's missing the reverb and echo that the mic would pic up from the venue etc.
See the latest W.A.S.P. shows that are lip-synced, or KISS from the current tour. Every vocal performance is identical and sounds the same, despite being at very different venues.
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If it’s truly live, good for him.
Geoff’s singing is much more impressive than the hacks playing behind him. Good grief, the band is bad.
So true. I'd kill for a gig like Geoff's band and I'd do a damn better job too. Surely he can get some higher quality musicians.
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Geoff sounds good for the whole set. Why in the blue hell would he pretend for the first 15 seconds?
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If it’s truly live, good for him.
Geoff’s singing is much more impressive than the hacks playing behind him. Good grief, the band is bad.
So true. I'd kill for a gig like Geoff's band and I'd do a damn better job too. Surely he can get some higher quality musicians.
Could you imagine Wolf playing the opening to Queen of the Reich
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:metal
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The high notes at the start of both nights sound are at the very least different takes. I think it is live. And yes he sounds good.
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Being able to hit notes like that consistently...it has been a long time. I mean, they aren't perfect, and I wouldn't expect them to be. I'm just kind of blown away. Good for him. That's really cool.
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I really hope we get more high notes on the next Sweet Oblivion album.
Way to go, Tate!