Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[Calvin6s]

The problem with Buck Rogers is the dude just didn't look good in a disco suit.  However, the dudettes did.

[Kotowboy]

I thought the duel in 7 was perfectly handled. The main reason I find the prequel fights so boring is because there's not much to really care about or be invested in story or character-wise. To me it's 90% what is going on, like the internal struggle and not the actual fight itself that makes a good lightsaber fight. As long as they have a good story and we're invested, I think the next duel will be great either way. But if it's worse than the prequels, then a 30 minute one-take lightsaber duel won't do much.

The fights in the prequels were just " insert lightsaber fight here ". And went on for ages just for a set piece.

They were just lightsaber fights for the sake of having lightsaber fights and more more more mentality.

Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?

[Lucien]

I love the lightsaber fights in VII because they look so real, like Rey/Ren/Finn are actually trying to kill each other, you know, like a real fight. Not the acrobatics that happened in the prequels and even the OT

[Logain Ablar]

I thought the battle between Qui Gon / Obi Wan and Darth Maul was probably the best of the prequels.

The ones with Yoda bouncing around like a bouncy ball in the other two were pretty distracting. Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?

[Zantera]

Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?

Ironically he was killed by a blaster

[Kotowboy]

Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?

Because Lightsabers.

[Zantera]

Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.

[Logain Ablar]

Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?

Because Lightsabers.

Maybe his lightsaber goes to 11? 

Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.

^ Totally agree.

[Kotowboy]

And that scene with all the little kids blindly swinging around lightsabers.

Less weapon of a highly trained warrior - more fashion accessory like an iPhone

[Logain Ablar]

There's plenty of reasons not to give kids lightsabers..

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.

This was one of my biggest problems with the prequels. You see light sabers every 10 minutes, so after a while, it's not cool anymore. Episode VII handled light sabers perfectly, IMO.

[Calvin6s]

The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey - Official Teaser Trailer

 

Why do people feel the need to make the prequels the center of their Star Wars lives.  TFA comes out .... can you make it to the end of the review without a prequel slag/defense?

When conversation about what saber duels we might see (or want to see) in Ep.8 turns into "well, let me tell you why the prequels saber duels suck/rule" .... sucks to be you.

[Onno]

Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?

In his case, yes. He wasn't a force user, so he had a big disadvantage compared to a lightsaber-wielding Jedi or Sith, but he made up for that by being mostly cyborg and having 4 lightsabers. If you're a jedi you're not really used to fighting against another lightsaber-wielder in a war (because there were only two Sith), although you have done so in training of course. But who can prepare for a fight with a cyborg wielding 4 lightsabers and swinging them around in every direction constantly? Very few people. That's why Grievous killed so many Jedi.

Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?

Well, if he'd been attacked with blasters, he needs some way to defend himself, right? He could just dodged everything, but having a lightsaber means having the ability to go full melee while dodging and reflecting blasts.
Moreover, you can't win a fight against another Jedi/Sith without a lightsaber if that other person has one. They could just use their lightsaber to block your lightning.

[Big Hath]

plus he could do shit like this

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.

This was one of my biggest problems with the prequels. You see light sabers every 10 minutes, so after a while, it's not cool anymore. Episode VII handled light sabers perfectly, IMO.

Ep. VII brought the cool back.

[axeman90210]

Just when you thought all the Rey theories had been covered

https://medium.com/@KenjiLopezAlt/rey-is-a-palpatine-f2a0346dd1da#.z8guubt3g

[Calvin6s]

That one has been floating around for some time.

But you think it is fun to watch now?  Wait until this trilogy has concluded and the same people that swore Rey was Optimus Prime will tell you how they figured out every twist and turn before it happened.

[Logain Ablar]

That theory seems pretty silly, but I think I might actually prefer that over the obvious "she's a Skywalker" one.

I'd really like to be surprised by the next two movies. VII did a good job of resetting what a SW movie should be, albeit a bit derivative of the OT. Time to take the series into new territory now, I reckon..

[Kotowboy]

Didn't Rian Johnson say Episode 8 was going to be really different and weird ?

[Logain Ablar]

Didn't Rian Johnson say Episode 8 was going to be really different and weird ?

Yes, I read that too. Let's hope so.

Maybe it will involve travelling back in time to get some humpback whales to communicate with an evil First Order probe. Oh wait, I think that has been done..

[bosk1]

Hmm, if done right, I'd be okay if that theory turned out to be true. 

[Kotowboy]

They should Genisys the SW universe and go back in time to erase the prequels.

[Logain Ablar]

They should Genisys the SW universe and go back in time to erase the prequels.

                         ^ Ugh - terrible movie. Not even the mother of dragons could save that one. 

BTW - I don't think time travel belongs in the SW universe at all. I wouldn't like to see it in any sort of storyline.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

But I'm talking about Ep. 8 big duel predictions, hopes or just flat out throwing stuff against a wall to see what sticks.

I would love to see Luke fight in Episode 8. It would be cool to see him take Kylo to town, or at least have a moment where the audience can marvel at his pwnage.

[Kotowboy]

I'm not a SW fan by any means. Episode 7 is really great and I enjoy the original trilogy for the most part. I obviously hate the prequels.

But the main thing I don't want is for Snoke to turn out to be a reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker.

It would be as pointless as having Khan in a new Star Trek film. As much as I enjoyed Into Darkness as well as Cumberbatch's performance - he wasn't Khan.



This new trilogy needs to be about Kylo Ren as the sith apprentice - Snoke as the new Big bad and Rey finding herself . No Darth Vader / Anakin / Yoda force Ghosts.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I reckon that the success of the new trilogy will heavily depend on Episode VIII. Episode VII was pretty well received and was a gift for fans of all generations, but Ep. VIII is where it's all at. If it chooses to play safe just as Ep. VII, it's not gonna be good.

[Calvin6s]

If it chooses to play safe just as Ep. VII, it's not gonna be good.

Agree with that.  Star Wars is about arcs.  If it just becomes a fight of the week serial, then it will cease to be Star Wars.

[bosk1]

Eh, the story will be good if it's good, whether or not it plays to any of your/my preconceptions about what it should be or what it should do.  So these line-in-the-sand statements about what it better do or better not do are pretty pointless. 

[Calvin6s]

The only thing that makes something good or not good is the viewer's perception.  If we just get mindless battles, most adults will not like it.

[Orbert]

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Side bar: Am I the only person who was 100% fine with Rey being able to fight Kylo at the end of the film? A lot of people seem to think it's some kind of plot hole that she could fight an experienced force user without training of her own, but I don't feel that's necessarily the case, mainly because she's clearly some kind of prodigy. In other words, Kylo is the regular bloke who took until his senior year of high school to learn calculus, whereas Rey is the freaky smart kid who taught herself calculus in the third grade.

I dunno... It really doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Maybe I'm not being analytical enough, but I loved that final duel.

[hefdaddy42]

I didn't have any problem with it.

[Kotowboy]

Yes. Rey was not a true Jedi but Kylo was not a true sith either. They were both work in progress. Also Ren was badly injured and desperate. Rey was empowered.

[BlackInk]

Also, Rey could fight. We see her beat three guys back on Jakku with her staff. So all things considered, yeah the final duel makes perfect sense.

[Adami]

Force Awakens had lots of problems. The fight scenes weren't among them.