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All star wars. about the movies or things that arent in the movies. their is more to the star wars world then just the six movies.
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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Perhaps first you should capitalize "wars" in your thread.
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Star Wars, Nothing But Star Wars
Give Me those Star Wars
Don't let them end
Oh Star Wars
If they should bar wars
Please let these Star Wars stay
And hey!
How bout that nutty Star Wars bar
Can you forget all the creatures in there
And Hey!
Darth Vader in that black and evil mask
Did he scare you as much as he scared me
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frbg7c4lvxk
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episode 3 - revenge of the sith
episode 6 - return of the jedi
episode 5 - the emprie strikes back
episode 4 - a new hope
episode 2 - attack of the clones
Episode 1 - the phantom menace
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that's great. not sure why it says weird al at the top...
Rankings
1.Empire
2.Revenge of the Sith
3.Return of the Jedi
4.Attack of the Clones
5.A New Hope
6.Phantom Menace
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that's great. not sure why it says weird al at the top...
Rankings
1.Empire
2.Return of the Jedi
3.Revenge of the Sith
4.A New Hope
5.Attack of the Clones
6.Phantom Menace
fixed
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I was tempted to come here and simply say "Star Trek is better" and watch what happened.
But Star Wars is good too. Haven't read any of the books, but I liked most of the movies. Empire is still one the greatest movies I have ever seen, and the philosophy behind some of the original trilogy is still incredible.
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
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watch all 6 of them every couple weeks now that i live alone in a boring city.
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
New Jedi Order is awesome.
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I was tempted to come here and simply say "Star Trek is better" and watch what happened.
I would then come in and agree with you. ;D
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Man, I've been obsessed with Star Wars lately, for no reason at all. Watched all six movies back to back to back a couple weeks ago... I must say, while The Phantom Menace is pretty boring (save the ending for obvious reasons), and Attack Of The Clones would be a great movie if there was an option to just turn the dialogue off and only have John Williams' score, Revenge Of The Sith is legitimately a fantastic experience from start to finish. For six reasons:
1. The scene with Anakin and Palpatin at the opera. Very simple scene, just Palpatine telling Anakin a story. But brilliantly acted, and so much awesome foreshadowing.
2. That one scene where Anakin and Padme are looking at each other across the Coruscant sunset, with no sound or music whatsoever, right before Anakin goes and Makes His Choice. Beautiful.
3. Order 66. No elaboration needed
4. Related to Order 66, the scene where Anakin and the 501st invade the Jedi Temple and kill everyone, including the younguns. Brutal.
5. The Palpatine/Yoda fight, simultaneously with the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight, with the Duel Of The Fates and Battle Of The Heroes themes going full bore behind them. Epic.
6. Finally, the gradual appearance of various OT elements towards the end of the movie. The prequels took awhile but they finally started feeling like Star Wars movies.
ROTS is not without its flaws, of course, but it does so much right that I'm willing (in this instance) to overlook them.
That said, Empire Strikes Back is easily the best of the series, but that goes without saying.
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Man, I've been obsessed with Star Wars lately, for no reason at all. Watched all six movies back to back to back a couple weeks ago... I must say, while The Phantom Menace is pretty boring (save the ending for obvious reasons), and Attack Of The Clones would be a great movie if there was an option to just turn the dialogue off and only have John Williams' score, Revenge Of The Sith is legitimately a fantastic experience from start to finish. For six reasons:
1. The scene with Anakin and Palpatin at the opera. Very simple scene, just Palpatine telling Anakin a story. But brilliantly acted, and so much awesome foreshadowing.
2. That one scene where Anakin and Padme are looking at each other across the Coruscant sunset, with no sound or music whatsoever, right before Anakin goes and Makes His Choice. Beautiful.
3. Order 66. No elaboration needed
4. Related to Order 66, the scene where Anakin and the 501st invade the Jedi Temple and kill everyone, including the younguns. Brutal.
5. The Palpatine/Yoda fight, simultaneously with the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight, with the Duel Of The Fates and Battle Of The Heroes themes going full bore behind them. Epic.
6. Finally, the gradual appearance of various OT elements towards the end of the movie. The prequels took awhile but they finally started feeling like Star Wars movies.
ROTS is not without its flaws, of course, but it does so much right that I'm willing (in this instance) to overlook them.
That said, Empire Strikes Back is easily the best of the series, but that goes without saying.
another great moment. fight between palpatine and windu and when anakin kills windu then he becomes vader
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you cant use these.
but if i were in a band my band would be called order 66 or if there were only two members rule of two
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New Hope
Empire
Jedi
Phantom Menace (seriously, it's at least watchable)
Sith (Overrated. So much stupidity in this movie)
Attack of the Clones (Uuuuuggggghhhhh)
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Something something something darkside.
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I used to be HUGE into Star Wars... spent thousands of dollars on merchandise...
I kind of "grew" out of it. Don't get me wrong. The movies are timeless classics and I love them as much now as when I first saw them... but the whole collecting/having to know everything about Star Wars I'm not too much into anymore.
I saw ROTS when it came out at midnight, and when the toys came out a month earlier I was in line with my best friend at midnight at the local Toys R Us and then Wal-Mart.
My order:
1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. ROTS
4. ANH
5. AOTC
6. TPM
I really did like ROTS... besides a few corny moments (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) the movie kind of redeemed the prequel trilogy... and I had tears in my eyes during the closing scene... it brought everything full circle.
I haven't seen the movies in a year since I introduced my ex-girlfriend to the saga last summer before we went to see The Clone Wars (What an abortion that was...). I'll have to watch the movies again this summer. They really are my favorite movies of all time.
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Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Return of the Jedi
I've brought this up many a time, but don't much like the older ones. Really like 1 and 3.
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Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Return of the Jedi
I've brought this up many a time, but don't much like the older ones. Really like 1 and 3.
What order did you see them in?
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I saw the old ones one time through when I was something between 8 and 11. Didn't completely fall in love with them, but I thought they were pretty good.
Saw the new ones.
Saw the old ones again next time they came on TV, maybe a year after Sith.
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I saw the old ones one time through when I was something between 8 and 11. Didn't completely fall in love with them, but I thought they were pretty good.
Saw the new ones.
Saw the old ones again next time they came on TV, maybe a year after Sith.
Interesting. I saw the films when I was six in the movie theaters. I thought it was the greatest thing in the world at the time. :P I liked the prequels too, but as I grew up a little bit (TPM came out when I was still only 9) I realized that it was targeted way too much to a younger audience, while the original saga was targeted toward the whole family, not just little kids.
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I think the films are still aimed at a family audience overall. In TPM in particular though, there are moments and aspects that are far more obviously child-orientated than anywhere in the old ones, a few very blatantly so.
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1. The scene with Anakin and Palpatin at the opera. Very simple scene, just Palpatine telling Anakin a story. But brilliantly acted, and so much awesome foreshadowing.
Ian McDiarmid really stole the movie I thought. Looking back, I wish he was in Ep 2 a little more. Despite some flaws in the prequels, I do really like them. The whole backstory of Palpatine and his manipulations was really awesome. I know EP 1-3 are about Vader, but I would have liked to seen more of Palpatine.
One other thing, we never got to see his royal guards fight in EP 6. They were supposed to be some serious bad asses.....
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As a die-hard I'm very pleased to see this much positivity regarding the prequels and Revenge of the Sith in particular.
I don't have much to say besides these 6 films are my favorite of all time by far and that isn't likely to ever change. I'm not excited about movies in general the way I used to be, just because I know nothing will ever be done on this scale ever again.
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I fucking love ROTS. And I may not like the other prequel movies in and of themselves, but I'm a huge fan of the Old Republic era.
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I thought the prequels were nearly unwatchable individually. Really just terrible. However the three taken as a whole are remarkable. George Lucas put together a fantastic story. It's just the delivery was awful.
There's also an very unfortunate trend that Lucas has been integral in starting. Many movies, and definitely all of the SW movies, have scenes that were put together specifically to make video games. This annoys me greatly. Wanna make a game about a movie? Great. Some of them wind up being pretty good. But don't make me watch three different 10 minute sequences in your movie specifically to set up the game you're going to release. The game should follow the movie. Not the other way around.
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1. The scene with Anakin and Palpatin at the opera. Very simple scene, just Palpatine telling Anakin a story. But brilliantly acted, and so much awesome foreshadowing.
Ian McDiarmid really stole the movie I thought. Looking back, I wish he was in Ep 2 a little more. Despite some flaws in the prequels, I do really like them. The whole backstory of Palpatine and his manipulations was really awesome. I know EP 1-3 are about Vader, but I would have liked to seen more of Palpatine.
One other thing, we never got to see his royal guards fight in EP 6. They were supposed to be some serious bad asses.....
I have complaints about the prequels, to be sure, but Ian McDiarmid's performance as Palpatine is not one of them. He was easily the most enjoyable part of the movies, and was clearly having a blast with the part. There's a quote from him on wikipedia I really like (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine#Ian_McDiarmid_on_Palpatine):
There's a moment in one scene of [Attack Of The Clones, after the attempt on Padme's life that opens the film] where tears almost appear in [Palpatine's] eye. These are crocodile tears, but for all those in the movie, and perhaps watching the movie itself, they'll see he is apparently moved — and of course, he is. He can just do it. He can, as it were, turn it on. And I suppose for him, it's also a bit of a turn-on — the pure exercise of power is what he's all about. That's the only thing he's interested in and the only thing that can satisfy him — which makes him completely fascinating to play, because it is an evil soul. He is more evil than the devil. At least Satan fell — he has a history, and it's one of revenge.[60]
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I thought the prequels were nearly unwatchable individually. Really just terrible. However the three taken as a whole are remarkable. George Lucas put together a fantastic story. It's just the delivery was awful.
There's also an very unfortunate trend that Lucas has been integral in starting. Many movies, and definitely all of the SW movies, have scenes that were put together specifically to make video games. This annoys me greatly. Wanna make a game about a movie? Great. Some of them wind up being pretty good. But don't make me watch three different 10 minute sequences in your movie specifically to set up the game you're going to release. The game should follow the movie. Not the other way around.
The bit about videogames I don't quite see. Which scenes are you talking about, exactly?
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Sith (Overrated. So much stupidity in this movie)
explain the stupidity
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What the phantom menace! your sig is huge!
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The bit about videogames I don't quite see. Which scenes are you talking about, exactly?
The example that immediately jumps to mind is the chase through the droid factory. Running down conveyor belts. Jumping over obstacles. Buckets of molten goo dropping down on you.
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I like Star Wars, but I gotta say that both of the kids who played Anakin (in the prequels) were nothing short of terrible. Not that they were given great material to work with, but I'll be damned if they didn't almost single-handedly ruin the movies for me. With a little help from Jar Jar.
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Empire is easily the best movie, followed by A New Hope and Jedi.
I have absolutely no interest in what happens before A New Hope. I used to love reading the post-ROTJ novels, but nothing about The Old Republic era grabs my attention, not the prequels, not the novels, not even games like KOTOR.
The bit about videogames I don't quite see. Which scenes are you talking about, exactly?
The example that immediately jumps to mind is the chase through the droid factory. Running down conveyor belts. Jumping over obstacles. Buckets of molten goo dropping down on you.
I'd say that's just a videogame-influenced scene, not something that was designed to go in a game. I think the point of view that movies are being written around games is overly cynical.
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The bit about videogames I don't quite see. Which scenes are you talking about, exactly?
The example that immediately jumps to mind is the chase through the droid factory. Running down conveyor belts. Jumping over obstacles. Buckets of molten goo dropping down on you.
I'd say that's just a videogame-influenced scene, not something that was designed to go in a game. I think the point of view that movies are being written around games is overly cynical.
I suppose you're right. I'm sure Lucas would never compromise his artistic integrity for the sake of merchandising.
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:lol
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jar jar i dont like
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and about the force unleashed video game. im darth vaders apprentice but i cant beat a level where droids are attacking me.
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Well shit on an Ewok, I just finished typing up a giant post and my computer fucks up. I'll condense.
Love Star Wars.
Look at this nerdy picture:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/RandalGraves/SeanwithTicket.jpg)
Here's how I rank 'em:
Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
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For a boy like me born in 1976, I am not sure any other experience can match growing up with the SW universe: Movies, toys, books, etc…
Eps will always be important movies to me, even if I don’t watch them again for many years. I could put any of them in the DVD player at any time and enjoy them as much as did as a kid.
I for one like AotC a lot more than other fans seem to. I remember being glad when I saw it the first time that things were happening. Whether or not they were important or silly didn’t matter. It just felt like in TPM not a whole lot was happening. I also overlook its flaws and really like RotS. That was the experience I was waiting for when I first heard the prequels would be made. Whoever said above that Eps 1-3 were as a whole arc better than they were as individual movies makes an interesting point.
In some interview where a bunch of people are analytically breaking down the SW phenomenon, Bill Moyers says something like “it’s just fun watching a Star Wars movie” and that is really what it is all about.
I only wish sometimes I was old enough to remember seeing Eps 4-6 in the theater during their initial runs.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
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Sith (Overrated. So much stupidity in this movie)
explain the stupidity
- The opening Dogfight sequence.
- Jets in R2-D2, which creates the problem of why, in the context of the internal logic of the movies, he never did it in the original trilogy.
- I guess I can buy Anakin killing Dooku, but I dunno. That scene just felt really forced.
- The cheesy stupid love scenes between Anakin and Padme. "Hold me Ani, like you did on Naboo."
- Anakin's trip to the dark side beginning in earnest because he thinks Padme will die. This almost makes sense except (a) It shows how little he really gives a shit about the Jedi Order, which I could buy except (b) Because of shitty filmmaking on Lucas's part, I still have no reason to believe he would be such an idiot because of her. Han Solo might sell out a rebel base or something to protect Leia. I can't imagine Anakin revealing where he hides his secret stash of stuffed animals to save Padme.
- The big action sequence with Obi-Wan in the big temple thing was just too silly. I don't even remember what it had to do with the plot, other than a big fight with General Grievous which has no impact if you didn't see the Clone Wars cartoon, and I didn't. Such an astoundingly stupid name too.
- ONE SCENE makes Anakin convert to the dark side. ONE FUCKING SCENE. BULLSHIT! And also, "I now name you, Darth Vader." Uuuugggghhhhh
- Because he converts to the dark side in one scene, everything Anakin does as a Sith Lord has no motivation. Like killing little children.
- I guess Padme and Obi-Wan's scenes don't such, but they're kind of boring.
- Anakin force choking Padme completely defeats the only shred of motivation his character had going for him. I guess it makes sense that he's all pissed off and full of rage and blah blah blah. But I just thought the scene was fucking stupid as I saw it.
- One thing I'll give Lucas credit for. Anakin telling Padme they can rule the galaxy together echoes him telling Luke the same thing in Empire.
- Obi Wan defeats Anakin because of HIGHER GROUND?
- Obi Wan not killing Anakin makes sense on the surface, but when you think a bit, it might be the worst piece of writing in all of Star Wars. If Obi-Wan truly loves him, why would he let him suffer? Obi-Wan's character throughout the entire rest of the saga isn't portrayed as cowardly, but Lucas chooses this moment to make him a pussy. Sorry, I am not buying it. Watching the other movies in the trilogy, both before and after, there's no reason to believe he would do this. Attack of the Clones has a lot of stupidity, but Obi-Wan not going back to save Padme makes sense, and it's a huge moment of his trust with Anakin being hurt. But this leaving Anakin to suffer and die on the molten lava world shit doesn't fly.
- Something I will give credit to Lucas on. Anakin's suit being built was acceptably gruesome and not a letdown. Like, it doesn't make the vader suit less interesting by seeing how it's built.
- R2 knowing so much shit about Anakin Skywalker and his children that he never chooses to talk about. It makes him look like a tool in episodes IV-VI. Why wouldn't they wipe his memory anyway.
- The Death Star being built at the end of the movie. There's no way it should have taken the Empire 20-30 years or whatever to build it, considering how fast they can churn out Star Destroyers. Even so, I might buy it except the second Death Star in Jedi was built so quickly.
- NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! It's just too lame (There's also a bad quote at the end with Vader similar to what I wrote. Except there'd be more "O"s.)
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well he was kind of forced to kill dooku. palpatine has him kill dooku so that he would have a new apprentice
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
How old are you again? I'm not joking; it's a serious question. When I was younger I didn't know/care about good acting. But yeah, it pretty much sounds like Hayden and Portman are reading their lines directly from the script for the first time while doing their best impression of a vulcan.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
How old are you again? I'm not joking; it's a serious question. When I was younger I didn't know/care about good acting. But yeah, it pretty much sounds like Hayden and Portman are reading their lines directly from the script for the first time while doing their best impression of a vulcan.
agreed. but better than the previous 2 imo.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
How old are you again? I'm not joking; it's a serious question. When I was younger I didn't know/care about good acting. But yeah, it pretty much sounds like Hayden and Portman are reading their lines directly from the script for the first time while doing their best impression of a vulcan.
agreed. but better than the previous 2 imo.
Hmm, yeah. The only thing I really hated about Ep 1. was Jake Lloyd. I never understood all the hate for it. Despite all their flaws, I might even like 2 and 3 more if it weren't for Hayden Christensen.
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The prequels have Natalie Portman. That is a huuuuuge plus point. They still are worse then the originals though. (Although I like ep. 3)
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I personally liked the Anakin turning scene. Palpatine was fantastic there especially.
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(im not a fan of love)
That made me :lol.
Revenge of the Sith is by far the best of the prequels, I think. But ReaPsTA's criticisms are legit, and I could add a few more of my own.
As for the originals, I actually prefer both Return of the Jedi and A New Hope to The Empire Strikes Back.
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I personally liked the Anakin turning scene. Palpatine was fantastic there especially.
Ian McDiarmid puts on an acting clinic every time he's in the prequels. But good performance can't save shitty plotting and character development.
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Anakin: "You are so beautiful."
Padme: "It's only because I'm so in love."
Anakin: "No, it's because I'm so in love with you."
Padme: "So love has blinded you?"
Anakin: "Well that's not exactly what I meant."
Padme: "It's probably true."
Worst. Dialogue. Ever....in a pretty cool film.
Anyone remember the "...reasons to hate Star Wars" site, that was some funny stuff.
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I dunno, I always thought the last couple lines in that dialogue were somewhat amusing. The delivery just sucked.
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I thought the acting was slightly better in Sith. Maybe still not all that good, but enough to not be distracting me, which, in a film like Star Wars, is all I really care about.
As people have said, the films have shining examples of bad acting, but also of very good acting. Palpatine has been mentioned, but I REALLY enjoyed McGregor's Obi Wan.
And as I've said a million times before, I love how everyone jumps at an opportunity to pick apart the prequels, but I don't think I've ever seen a Star Wars fan mention the at times shitty acting, terrible dialogue, crappy plot etc that is sprinkled right throughout the originals as well. Cos they're made of gold, of course.
I would do it myself just for the sake of a little exercise, but I'm not a Star Wars fanboy so I have no real desire to go out and watch movies I didn't like very much all over again. And it'd be a terrible waste of time.
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Anyone seen Fanboys?
I saw it a week ago and loved it!
Its gotten shit reviews, but as a huge Star Wars nerd, it was golden.
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Anyone seen Fanboys?
I saw it a week ago and loved it!
Its gotten shit reviews, but as a huge Star Wars nerd, it was golden.
just put it on top of my netflix queue, jsut watched the trailer and cant believe some of the faces in it, and seth rogen looks totally fuckin weird, haha.
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He plays two characters in that movie actually, but yeah, his Trekkie character is really weird looking. :lol
Also, I'm gonna be "that guy" who steps in and defends the actors who played Anakin. I think Jake Lloyd did a great job of just being a little kid. Taking into account the other two finalists for the part, he blew them away. Keep in mind that thousands of children were auditioned for the role. As far as Hayden Christensen, he'll never be great, but I think he was okay, all things considered. He didn't have the benefit of having a character from the previous films to base his character on to the extent that McGregor did. And when you think about it, Vader was never the most articulate guy. He basically just had to work with the script he was given and the sometimes questionable direction. In Attack of the Clones especially, Lucas went for the really old, swashbuckling type of Flash Gordon kind of dialog that I'm not sure a lot of people got. How well it was pulled off is another story altogether, but it was certainly in a different style than we're used to.
About the droid factory scene, yeah, it was actually added into the movie during pick up shoots to put more action in. I've thought about "special-editionesque" changes that could be made to make that movie a little tighter, and it's the biggest challenge of all 6. It's already the longest movie of all 6, and I think some of the deleted scenes have to be added to make it 'better'. The droid factory is the only scene that strikes me as begging to be taken out completely, due in no small part to 3PO's part in it. Other than that, only little things can be taken out, like Jango talking to Zam and handing her the bugs. I think the film would benefit from re-inserting deleted Anakin and Padme scenes, so that they have more screen time together, as well as putting in as much Dooku as possible.
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About the droid factory scene, yeah, it was actually added into the movie during pick up shoots to put more action in. I've thought about "special-editionesque" changes that could be made to make that movie a little tighter, and it's the biggest challenge of all 6. It's already the longest movie of all 6, and I think some of the deleted scenes have to be added to make it 'better'. The droid factory is the only scene that strikes me as begging to be taken out completely, due in no small part to 3PO's part in it. Other than that, only little things can be taken out, like Jango talking to Zam and handing her the bugs. I think the film would benefit from re-inserting deleted Anakin and Padme scenes, so that they have more screen time together, as well as putting in as much Dooku as possible.
I remember reading rumors of some stuff left on the cutting room floor about Mace (and possibly Ki-Adi Mundi (sp?)) taking out a droid control ship during the final battle. Now whether this was left in the script stage or what, I dunno. Anyone hear about any of that?
Hahah, what I do remember is the announced Nsync cameo . . .
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About the droid factory scene, yeah, it was actually added into the movie during pick up shoots to put more action in. I've thought about "special-editionesque" changes that could be made to make that movie a little tighter, and it's the biggest challenge of all 6. It's already the longest movie of all 6, and I think some of the deleted scenes have to be added to make it 'better'. The droid factory is the only scene that strikes me as begging to be taken out completely, due in no small part to 3PO's part in it. Other than that, only little things can be taken out, like Jango talking to Zam and handing her the bugs. I think the film would benefit from re-inserting deleted Anakin and Padme scenes, so that they have more screen time together, as well as putting in as much Dooku as possible.
I remember reading rumors of some stuff left on the cutting room floor about Mace (and possibly Ki-Adi Mundi (sp?)) taking out a droid control ship during the final battle. Now whether this was left in the script stage or what, I dunno. Anyone hear about any of that?
Hahah, what I do remember is the announced Nsync cameo . . .
Yeah, I think some of that was actually filmed, but never completed. And NSYNC was filmed as well. There is even a rumor that the Jedi that throws Obi-Wan and Anakin their lightsabers is Joey Fatone, but I can't really tell.
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Yeah, apparently there was such an uproar from the fans, Lucas decided to cut it. Good times.
Also, I probably would've blind bought Fanboys (Veronica Mars in slave Leia gear? I'm there!) but there was no BR release in the states.
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I have never seen Star Wars
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Yeah, apparently there was such an uproar from the fans, Lucas decided to cut it. Good times.
Also, I probably would've blind bought Fanboys (Veronica Mars in slave Leia gear? I'm there!) but there was no BR release in the states.
Well, that's only a very small part of the movie, and I actually watched it with my friend that went to high school with her. :lol
I liked that the DVD was released on the 10th anniversary of when The Phantom Menace was released. A very fitting tribute.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
How old are you again? I'm not joking; it's a serious question.
i am 16
17 in august and even more then a shock to you guys i will be a senior with out having failed a single year of school.
actually theirs nothing wrong with the love lines in the movie because padmaes and anakins love is actually real.
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revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie. i always hear empire but i like revenge of the sith better
Yeah, I'm a fan of stiff acting and corny/forced love lines as well.
whats wrong with the acting And love lines(thoe im not a fan of love)
How old are you again? I'm not joking; it's a serious question.
i am 16
17 in august and even more then a shock to you guys i will be a senior with out having failed a single year of school.
actually theirs nothing wrong with the love lines in the movie because padmaes and anakins love is actually real.
Ok, Revenge of the Sith is my favourite film of the series as well, but I love all of the movies.
But Wrath, don't defend your liking of a movie or explain why you like it better if you are going to post phrases like "padmaes and anakins love is actually real."
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Have people been saying that their love is fake?
Don't state stuff like that as fact, when its your OPINION! Other people don't like the love lines, but you do. End of story. Drop it. NAO!
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heres proboly the best idea i have ever had here. act like the 3 previous posts od mine never exsisted
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Sith (Overrated. So much stupidity in this movie)
explain the stupidity
- The opening Dogfight sequence.
- Jets in R2-D2, which creates the problem of why, in the context of the internal logic of the movies, he never did it in the original trilogy.
- I guess I can buy Anakin killing Dooku, but I dunno. That scene just felt really forced.
- The cheesy stupid love scenes between Anakin and Padme. "Hold me Ani, like you did on Naboo."
- Anakin's trip to the dark side beginning in earnest because he thinks Padme will die. This almost makes sense except (a) It shows how little he really gives a shit about the Jedi Order, which I could buy except (b) Because of shitty filmmaking on Lucas's part, I still have no reason to believe he would be such an idiot because of her. Han Solo might sell out a rebel base or something to protect Leia. I can't imagine Anakin revealing where he hides his secret stash of stuffed animals to save Padme.
- The big action sequence with Obi-Wan in the big temple thing was just too silly. I don't even remember what it had to do with the plot, other than a big fight with General Grievous which has no impact if you didn't see the Clone Wars cartoon, and I didn't. Such an astoundingly stupid name too.
- ONE SCENE makes Anakin convert to the dark side. ONE FUCKING SCENE. BULLSHIT! And also, "I now name you, Darth Vader." Uuuugggghhhhh
- Because he converts to the dark side in one scene, everything Anakin does as a Sith Lord has no motivation. Like killing little children.
- I guess Padme and Obi-Wan's scenes don't such, but they're kind of boring.
- Anakin force choking Padme completely defeats the only shred of motivation his character had going for him. I guess it makes sense that he's all pissed off and full of rage and blah blah blah. But I just thought the scene was fucking stupid as I saw it.
- One thing I'll give Lucas credit for. Anakin telling Padme they can rule the galaxy together echoes him telling Luke the same thing in Empire.
- Obi Wan defeats Anakin because of HIGHER GROUND?
- Obi Wan not killing Anakin makes sense on the surface, but when you think a bit, it might be the worst piece of writing in all of Star Wars. If Obi-Wan truly loves him, why would he let him suffer? Obi-Wan's character throughout the entire rest of the saga isn't portrayed as cowardly, but Lucas chooses this moment to make him a pussy. Sorry, I am not buying it. Watching the other movies in the trilogy, both before and after, there's no reason to believe he would do this. Attack of the Clones has a lot of stupidity, but Obi-Wan not going back to save Padme makes sense, and it's a huge moment of his trust with Anakin being hurt. But this leaving Anakin to suffer and die on the molten lava world shit doesn't fly.
- Something I will give credit to Lucas on. Anakin's suit being built was acceptably gruesome and not a letdown. Like, it doesn't make the vader suit less interesting by seeing how it's built.
- R2 knowing so much shit about Anakin Skywalker and his children that he never chooses to talk about. It makes him look like a tool in episodes IV-VI. Why wouldn't they wipe his memory anyway.
- The Death Star being built at the end of the movie. There's no way it should have taken the Empire 20-30 years or whatever to build it, considering how fast they can churn out Star Destroyers. Even so, I might buy it except the second Death Star in Jedi was built so quickly.
- NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! It's just too lame (There's also a bad quote at the end with Vader similar to what I wrote. Except there'd be more "O"s.)
I agree with all this and then some. I still think it's the best of the three by far, but it's a mess in many ways. And it's hugely disappointing to me. For two decades, we saw Vader as the epitome of evil bad guys. And now Lucas is going to portray him as such a tragic figure; brilliant, I fucking love it. Yet while there was the potential for so much pathos and tragedy here, he makes Anakin's fatal flaw that he's a dumbass and an emotional tard. That doesn't cut it for me. I stand by my position that the overall story is damn near a masterpiece, but Lucas' telling of it is just heartbreakingly miserable.
Oh, and an important addition to Repsta's list
-She died of a broken heart.
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heres proboly the best idea i have ever had here. act like the 3 previous posts od mine never exsisted
Best idea ive seen in a while.
By the way, edit the spelling of "discussion" on the thread title.
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The force unleashed
i dont care how big the droid is if im vaders apprentice i shall be able to beat it. its all thoes combos you gotta do know. i heard that in old video games you just had to beat up the guy and you move on if you win .
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I think it's funny how many people have a problem with how fast Anakin fell but not how fast he turned good again. In both cases, it wasn't one scene that completely tipped the scale from one side to the other, there is a lot of build up.
And I always viewed Padme dying as part of a symbiance with Anakin.
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Oh, and an important addition to Repsta's list
-She died of a broken heart.
I CANNOT BELIEVE I forgot to add that. She had children. Her will to live is not in danger of being extinguished by that idiot Anakin. Maybe the stupidest thing in all three prequel movies, especially how she names them before she dies. Anakin should have actually force choked her to death. That would have actually meant something emotionally in the story.
Which also makes me ask another question, how did the Emperor know he force choked her? Were there security cameras he was watching on? In that case, wouldn't he have heard Anakin talking about how he would rule the Empire with Padme?
Thinking about that movie is too hard.
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I think it's funny how many people have a problem with how fast Anakin fell but not how fast he turned good again. In both cases, it wasn't one scene that completely tipped the scale from one side to the other, there is a lot of build up.
And I always viewed Padme dying as part of a symbiance with Anakin.
I sorta know what you mean. I think of it this way. There were a lot of scenes before that showing he really cared about his kid. And when he does "turn good" again, the only thing he really does is save his child. It's not like he was ready to pack it up and join the rebellion or anything.
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By the way, if anyone hasn't seen it in the past, pretty old now but...
https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep3.php (https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep3.php)
I like Revenge of the Sith, in fact it might be my favourite one, but this stuff is hilarious. It's obviously affectionate humour though. Got stuff for all of them also.
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I think it's funny how many people have a problem with how fast Anakin fell but not how fast he turned good again. In both cases, it wasn't one scene that completely tipped the scale from one side to the other, there is a lot of build up.
And I always viewed Padme dying as part of a symbiance with Anakin.
I sorta know what you mean. I think of it this way. There were a lot of scenes before that showing he really cared about his kid. And when he does "turn good" again, the only thing he really does is save his child. It's not like he was ready to pack it up and join the rebellion or anything.
No, but it was compassion that saved him, and that is considered his ultimate redemption whether he would have joined the rebellion or not. But this is not a problem because through spending time with his son, we start to see the beginning of the end for Vader. Just like with his turn to the dark side, the conflict grew and grew until he was forced to make a choice.
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Which also makes me ask another question, how did the Emperor know he force choked her?
proboly the force. Their was proboly some way he was watching anakin.
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I'd really like to go back and watch the whole prequel trilogy again to pick up more of the big picture, but I really don't think I could stomach it. What a shame.
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Which also makes me ask another question, how did the Emperor know he force choked her?
proboly the force. Their was proboly some way he was watching anakin.
He watches Anakin a lot no doubt. It's interesting in the scene where Anakin is alone in the council chamber, right before he goes to save Palpatine from Mace, that he hears Palpatine's dialog in his head. One of the lines though was never said to Anakin's face. So this could mean either the scene with that line was cut, or more interestingly, that Palpatine is reaching out and speaking to Anakin just as Luke did to Leia in The Empire Strikes Back.
Regardless of whether he saw what happened or not though, Palpatine wanted to fill Vader with anger in that scene.
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the force let palpatine know anakin was in trouble on mustafar
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the force let palpatine know anakin was in trouble on mustafar
That I get. But how did Palpatine know Anakin force-choked Padme?
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the force let palpatine know anakin was in trouble on mustafar
That I get. But how did Palpatine know Anakin force-choked Padme?
Ya know, I'll be the first to comment on a lot of the stupid things in the movie, but I suppose for this, Ole Palpy could've just read his thoughts. He did it before, when revealing himself as a Sith Lord and letting Anakin know that together they could save Padmé. Although it's debatable that he might have put those thoughts into Anakin's head.
Anyway, just as Luke's thoughts went to his sister while he was fighting Vader, I imagine Anakin's thoughts went to Padmé while he was becoming the six million credit man.
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Palpatine was a very powerful Sith Lord. Nowhere near Anakin in terms of sheer connection with the Force (being that of course Anakin is himself an embodiment of the Force), but he had plenty of time to learn all sorts of great Force powers like Mind Reading/Reaching and Battle Meditation.
The simple way of looking at it is like looking at magic in most medieval fantasy: Palpatine knows a lot of spells, but Anakin is able to tap into pure magic.
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Just bumping this thing to say my 6 year old and I just went to the Star Wars - In Concert. AMAZING....brilliant. Hosted by C-3P0....fantastic.
It showed my son, who's been taking piano lessons for three years now - just how much practice it takes no matter the instrument to get good. The complexity of all of those songs and all of those instruments working together..and working within the scene of the film just gave me a new respect for all of the movies - even ones that you hear people dismiss as "not as good as the others".
They were all good.
Very very good.
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John Williams is amazing.
Howard Shore and John Williams are masters of the movie soundtrack. Working with leitmotifs and adapting to scenes is a difficult thing to accomplish, and they create the most amazing soundtracks.
I have a good collection of great movie soundtracks. I seem to appreciate the music in movies more than most. Good to see that you see their value as well.
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I love movie soundtracks. Especially in the case of Star Wars; as exciting as the things happening on the screen are, John Williams really is the ingredient that brings everything together.
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Case in point: Anakin vs. Obi-Wan
(Sorry, I wish I could edit this into the last post, but Blackberries can't do that apparently)
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The only movie soundtracks I have are the ones by John Williams.
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They had a full choir for that Anakin V. Obiwan.....Duel of the Fates I believe its called.
Outstanding show.
Expensive.
Worth every cent.
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They had a full choir for that Anakin V. Obiwan.....Duel of the Fates I believe its called.
Outstanding show.
Expensive.
Worth every cent.
2 different songs, actually.
It sounds awesome, though.
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dunno if any of you saw this on college humor but it made me lol:
(https://2.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/a/d/collegehumor.b4e2234a1b65fc0bf05b42cd787ee934.jpg)
(https://0.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/6/e/collegehumor.2ae38436acbbf31572a5aaae4f70ed6d.jpg)
(https://2.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/3/1/collegehumor.dcf72ed359985c910fef232133945a23.jpg)
(https://3.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/d/b/collegehumor.e0d6316d2280a544036ac6db58df5146.jpg)
(https://1.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/9/e/collegehumor.1adbc0191138e0c9a8aab05eefa824d4.jpg)
(https://5.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/d/9/collegehumor.fa321a6daa25a0400558f2098f2c7c9e.jpg)
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Lol, those are hilarious.
Goin to the SW Symphony tomorrow, Woot!
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The last one is the best. Classic 3po :p.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5_OSsawz4
:hefdaddy
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I miss Wrath.
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dunno if this has been posted already but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whUr3Xxl9zc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer-B4g6TPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer-B4g6TPc)
:hat
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dunno if this has been posted already but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whUr3Xxl9zc
God, I hate a cappella
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dunno if this has been posted already but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whUr3Xxl9zc
Holy shit, this is awesome! :metal
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dunno if this has been posted already but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whUr3Xxl9zc
Holy shit, this is awesome! :metal
What's more awsome is seeing them live. Seriously - I've said it before and I'll say it again - seeing Boba Fett headbang with an 8 string guitar a few feet in front of you is the single most awesome thing you can do in life. :2metal:
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God damn. :metal
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Ive been waiting for them to announce some more shows so i can go see them, I love that video. and hopefully then i could pick up their demo or something so i can listen to the other 2 shredisodes.
Because of this thread, I watched return of the jedi earlier. It was great.
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Ive been waiting for them to announce some more shows so i can go see them, I love that video. and hopefully then i could pick up their demo or something so i can listen to the other 2 shredisodes.
Because of this thread, I watched return of the jedi earlier. It was great.
I asked the frontman about getting some recordings after the show but he said they can't really release anything at the moment because of the copyright issues. The guitarists are also in Hot Leg/Haken and have been concentrating on that for a while, so hopefully more shows next year when they get some time. :D
Also the vocalist is dressed as Princess Leia and is the smiliest death growler ever. :lol
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My review (https://www.thecubenews.com/opinion/star-wars-in-concert-a-feast-for-the-ears-eyes-1.946639#) of Star Wars: In Concert! For the short version of my review see below:
Star Wars: Fierfek Yeah.
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So I just finished watching the 70-minute Phantom Menace review...
Wow. Just wow.
He did a ton of nitpicking and was obviously looking long and hard for flaws, but that doesn't mean his points were lost on me. :lol
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a 70 minute TPM review? I'm sure I have better things to do with my time.
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So I just finished watching the 70-minute Phantom Menace review...
Wow. Just wow.
He did a ton of nitpicking and was obviously looking long and hard for flaws, but that doesn't mean his points were lost on me. :lol
70-minutes?!?!
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a couple of Star Wars related things from me.
Im here by now admitting my error in "Panning" the Clone Wars cartoon. I know I did it here, even if none of you call me on it....Im calling myself on it. It's a GREAT show.....very well done.
My son and I traded in one of his lame christmas presents (some rayman Wii game about rabbits?) and found The Force Unleashed in a bargain bin. OH WOW...what fun...and we watched the trailer for the second one - posted by someone at DTF (thank you!!)
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a 70 minute TPM review? I'm sure I have better things to do with my time.
I watched it in one go because right now, I don't.
But it's in seven parts. You can break it down if you want.
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my ranking of the films:
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. Return of the Jedi
10,000,000. The Phantom Menace
10,000,001. Attack of the Clones
10,000,002. Revenge of the Sith
god the prequels were awful. never should have been made.
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I like Revenge of the Sith, but hate the other two.
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Even Return of the Jedi was a far cry from Empire Strikes Back. Revenge of the Sith was just mediocre, making it by far the best of the prequels.
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Over the summer I took a day to watch the entire saga, in chronological order (ep 1 to ep 6).
It was amazing.
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Over the summer I took a day to watch the entire saga, in chronological order (ep 1 to ep 6).
It was amazing a failure. I should have watched them appropriately (4-5-6-1-2-3)
Fixed :)
I actually, honestly, wonder what it would be like to watch these, all for the first time, 1-2-3-4-5-6. Obviously the impact of Anakin’s turn and subsequent revelation to Luke would be significantly different. But I wonder how they would play overall. The first time I saw Godfather 1 & 2, it was a version that was cut chronologically, and when I subsequently watches both movies separately, I realized they were each much stronger that way.
I generally gobble up anything SW-realted, but haven't seen any of the Clone Wars stuff.
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I'm in the middle of rereading the New Jedi Order books. Awesome stuff :metal
I, Jedi is still my favourite SW novel though. Kevin J. Anderson :hefdaddy
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Over the summer I took a day to watch the entire saga, in chronological order (ep 1 to ep 6).
It was amazing a failure. I should have watched them appropriately (4-5-6-1-2-3)
Fixed :)
OH WOW, I can't believe i wrote that!, I had just gotten home from the first day of school after break and was tired. I'm ashamed now, why would anyone watch it in that order?!?!?
I meant in chronological order in the way that the story goes of course
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
:tup
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So I just finished watching the 70-minute Phantom Menace review...
Wow. Just wow.
He did a ton of nitpicking and was obviously looking long and hard for flaws, but that doesn't mean his points were lost on me. :lol
Here's the thing about that review. Most of the time, when you start nitpicking, you've probably already made your point. You don't need to further explain why the movie's good or bad. But in the case of The Phantom Menace, nitpicking uncovers this whole new level of suck where not only does the movie not make sense in broader terms, but you realize literally every line of dialog is stupid on some level. I don't know how Lucas was able pull off something so unique.
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
:tup
This.
And i've watched the series both in 1-2-3-4-5-6 format and 4-5-6-1-2-3 format countless times... it doesn't really matter to me. No matter what, you get to witness the amazing original trilogy and the also very excellent episode 3.
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Hell, I love all the Star Wars movies. The order doesn't matter. I'll sit and enjoy any of them.
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
:tup
This.
And i've watched the series both in 1-2-3-4-5-6 format and 4-5-6-1-2-3 format countless times... it doesn't really matter to me. No matter what, you get to witness the amazing original trilogy and the also very excellent episode 3.
I am Super Dude and I approve of this message.
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Hell, I love all the Star Wars movies. The order doesn't matter. I'll sit and enjoy any of them.
Same here, I love all 6. I will likely never enjoy any film more than I do the Star Wars movies.
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Probably mentioned before in the thread, but who loves the KOTOR games?
Some of the best games I've ever played, both are in my top 10.
What does everyone usually play through as (female/male, dark/light)
Ive always gone through what is canon:
Revan (male,light)
Exile (female,light)
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
I still have a hard time trying to convince my girlfriend to watch Star Wars. She keeps thinking it's exactly like Star Trek. Like, "I don't want to watch people walking around a command bridge all day."
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What's wrong with watching them 1-2-3-4-5-6? I feel it has a profoundly different effect to watch them that way, but I would never introduce someone to the series in that order. That's why I'm bringing the original trilogy to school with me to show the girl I've been dating. :biggrin:
That's the ultimate test to find if you are right for someone. If she doesn't like Star Wars, drop that bitch.
I still have a hard time trying to convince my girlfriend to watch Star Wars. She keeps thinking it's exactly like Star Trek. Like, "I don't want to watch people walking around a command bridge all day."
If this is your girlfriend dump her immediately if you've tried to get her into Star Trek but have failed. If its all based on misconceptions, get her some Deep Space 9.
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Probably mentioned before in the thread, but who loves the KOTOR games?
Some of the best games I've ever played, both are in my top 10.
What does everyone usually play through as (female/male, dark/light)
Ive always gone through what is canon:
Revan (male,light)
Exile (female,light)
Love KOTOR.
I'm always a male, and a light/neutral character.
I have a hard time with guilt in choice-based games, so I always play as the good guy the first around.
I also have a soft spot for the Ithorians in KOTOR 2, and help them as much as I can, which gives me lots of light points.
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So, Star Tours at Disney Hollywood Studios closed last night. We had a huge castmember event. It's really sad to see it go. I grew up with that ride, and i work at that theme park. It's closing because of the NEW Star Tours ride that Lucas and his minions have conjured up....entiteled... STAR TOURS II: THE ADVENTURE CONTINUES.....
...sigh...i fuckin hate that title....
anywhoo, me and my buds made this skit a year ago....enjoy....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zEeadxEymY
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Really? Man, I'm glad I got to ride it one last time last year. It was my favorite ride until I was tall enough to go on roller coasters.
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I'm really afraid of what the new one is going to be like.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zEeadxEymY
:lol
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(https://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/125/s_bc0a6205e9e743278d32666f609e001b.gif)
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:(
Star Tours was my favorite ride as a kid. That whole ride made the trip to Disney so memorable for me. I mean the one in Disney World though, I've never been to Disney Land.
Whats happening to the Star Tours in Florida?
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They're re-doing it, I guess.
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As long as they don't go overboard and make it dumb, I'm fine wiht it getting a makeover. It's been the same forever and looks a bit dated.
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Guaranteed it's only Episode 1 through 3 related shit.
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Guaranteed it's only Episode 1 through 3 related shit.
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Gungans?
(https://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/No-Darth_Vader.jpg)
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Guaranteed it's only Episode 1 through 3 related shit.
Hard to say. The Jedi Training Academy at Disney isn't at all 1-3 related. But even if this is, for a ride, I think it could be fine.
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Most people say that RotS is decent and is the best of the prequels, even up there with the originals, but I think it is equally as shite as the others. It's a massive cringe fest.
I still like the prequels I guess and will watch them, but damn they really are bad films as films go. There are some great and memorable parts though. I actually prefer TPM to be honest, despite Jar Jar and Anakin, it captures the Star Wars feel of the originals better for me.
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I agree. ROTS is shit. Completely tone-deaf emotionally.
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The first time I saw it it was very powerful.
But repeated viewings have not helped its cause. Everytime I watch it I simply cannot get over how much I hate Anakin's character. Hate hate hate it.
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1. Empire
2. Hope
3. Jedi
4. Sith
5. Clones
6. Phantom
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The first time I saw it it was very powerful.
But repeated viewings have not helped its cause. Everytime I watch it I simply cannot get over how much I hate Anakin's character. Hate hate hate it.
Assuming you are talking about RotS, I would echo this. I felt pretty meh in the theater for my first showing of TPM. I was more in to AotC, mainly because I knew less about it going in, and felt it was a step up from TPM. But I was totally in to RotS from opening crawl till the credits. I don’t know if I would consider it ‘powerful’ but it was damn entertaining. Definitely the movie I’d been waiting for since Eps 1-3 were announced. But likewise, time has diminished my feelings toward it. I still think it’s a good film, but its flaws are much more apparent upon multiple viewings.
And I agree with your assessment of the Anakin character. I could get by without feeling sympathetic toward him. But I just don’t feel anything toward him.
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Attack Of The Clones is easily the most forgettable of the bunch. What a terrible movie.
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Episode 3 was awesome. I loved it. Its not as good as the OT, but I think it is easily the best of the prequels, and the ending was one of the most amazing cinema experiences I have ever had.
I was one of the nerds that waited outside for the very first showing at midnight. :lol
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ROTS makes the most structural sense out of the three prequels. With a better script and without Hayden Christensen it could have been a pretty good movie. Not great, a couple of the battle scenes are still too over the top, but it could have worked.
Unfortunately, the emotional moments in the actual film are still too clumsily handled. It's better than Attack of the Clones, some of the Anakin/Padme scenes actually feel like a real couple arguing, but Anakin's conversion to The Dark Side was completely wrong. Considering that's what the movie hinges on, I mean, it's game over from there.
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ROTS makes the most structural sense out of the three prequels. With a better script and without Hayden Christensen it could have been a pretty good movie. Not great, a couple of the battle scenes are still too over the top, but it could have worked.
Unfortunately, the emotional moments in the actual film are still too clumsily handled. It's better than Attack of the Clones, some of the Anakin/Padme scenes actually feel like a real couple arguing, but Anakin's conversion to The Dark Side was completely wrong. Considering that's what the movie hinges on, I mean, it's game over from there.
It's the only movie where Lucas gave the fans what they wanted: the explanation of how Anakin became Darth Vader. He didn't do it perfectly, but at least he listened!
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Episode 1 should have started with Anakin already a young man and padawan to Obi-Wan. And Padme shouldn't have been some high profile ex-queen senator. She should have been some lowly waitress in some diner who Anakin has secret butt sex with every week or something in the room at the back of the kitchens during her lunch break.
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Star Tours was my favorite ride as a kid. That whole ride made the trip to Disney so memorable for me. I mean the one in Disney World though, I've never been to Disney Land.
Whats happening to the Star Tours in Florida?
They're re-doing it, I guess.
Essentially. There's going to be three different tours, it'll be random tours, you can't choose. They are re-doing the Endor tour (which there was never really a tour of Endor in the first place....), and you'll also tour Tatooine and Alderaan. All i know is that the Tatooine tour will have podracing involved, since they showed a small sample of that tour at Celebration last summer. And the simulators are currently being taken out so that new, state of the art simulators will take the others ones place (shhh....it's not really a simulator....Disney magic!)
I'm really afraid of what the new one is going to be like.
Oh, it's going to be in 3D....
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Attack Of The Clones is easily the most forgettable of the bunch. What a terrible movie.
Except for the battle scene on the dust planet. Especially when the battle begins with the green Twi-Lek charging the droids
This scene:
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/_1RaJb2xGPh8/TCe_oyAkpeI/AAAAAAAACYs/Jz4D3kP5BKU/s400/AOTC%20Jedi%20attack.jpg)
*chills*
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There was a dust planet? Oh, I forgot.
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(https://lh3.ggpht.com/_1RaJb2xGPh8/TCe_oyAkpeI/AAAAAAAACYs/Jz4D3kP5BKU/s400/AOTC%20Jedi%20attack.jpg)
(https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsaogprbnKf9zDgriBOCBT0VRm0Bike5IDh0DG0y1cC7DZ80M&t=1&usg=__2L6_B1PXjVU5LzqZYw4Qbnljves=)
"It's so dense. Every image has so many things going on..."
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:rollin
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im so lost :|
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The only prequel trilogy movie I really like is RotS. Sure, it's not as good as the Original Trilogy, but I still enjoy watching it. TPM is utter crap and the only redeemable factor of Attack of the Clones is that you get to watch Natalie Portman half of the time.
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So I noticed storm troopers totally suck in shooting blasters. In what possible way did the Empire train them so that they miss every single target?
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According to Ben Kenobi they shoot accurate.
"Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise'.
But then again, he was a senile old man.
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So I noticed storm troopers totally suck in shooting blasters. In what possible way did the Empire train them so that they miss every single target?
If you start on the road on that discussion then the inevitable question comes up:
Why in a future of such advanced technologies are the armies still, mostly, fighting land based assaults? (Unless there was some treaty or pact eliminating mass destruction weapons...)
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Guys I have one cuestion, I got this Star Wars Episode IV poster, is there a way to know if it's legit and it's not from a guy who prints them and then sell them?
Regardless I got it for free and its not a big deal but it would be nice to know.
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Guys I have one cuestion, I got this Star Wars Episode IV poster, is there a way to know if it's legit and it's not from a guy who prints them and then sell them?
Regardless I got it for free and its not a big deal but it would be nice to know.
If it rips in half in a straight line, it is legit.
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Why in a future of such advanced technologies are the armies still, mostly, fighting land based assaults? (Unless there was some treaty or pact eliminating mass destruction weapons...)
Are we talking about in the prequels?
Because, I mean, look at it this way. Why do we fight anyone on land when we have an airforce capable of killing you in probably hundreds of ways? The actual taking and holding of territory and objectives instead of pure killing.
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Guys I have one cuestion, I got this Star Wars Episode IV poster, is there a way to know if it's legit and it's not from a guy who prints them and then sell them?
Regardless I got it for free and its not a big deal but it would be nice to know.
If it rips in half in a straight line, it is legit.
:vomitard:
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Yeah, I noticed so many science parts in Star Wars are flawed. Like how asteroids have same gravity as Earth, and there's the lightsaber. Well, this is fiction after all, and the movies are old.
So I noticed storm troopers totally suck in shooting blasters. In what possible way did the Empire train them so that they miss every single target?
If you start on the road on that discussion then the inevitable question comes up:
Why in a future of such advanced technologies are the armies still, mostly, fighting land based assaults? (Unless there was some treaty or pact eliminating mass destruction weapons...)
There's the Death Star, which destroyed like one anonymous planet. There's the Force, which, in mysterious ways, can block projectiles and make spacecrafts crash and stuff.
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Alderaan isn't really anonymous.
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Clone Wars cartoon resumes on the 17th.
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I refuse to watch that. I also didn't watch the clone wars movie. I did see the cartoon series though.
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I refuse to watch that. I also didn't watch the clone wars movie. I did see the cartoon series though.
you lost me Vox.
Do you watch the Clone Wars cartoon series or don't you?
Orginally I panned it....without even watching it......
It's actually VERY VERY GOOD.
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The first season was very impressive most of the time, especially the episode "Rookies" which was all about the Troopers. I still hate the fact that the show exists, and was transferred for a theater release. I hate the idea that they created the character of Ahsoka, not only because she is annoying, but she makes no sense at all, completely shoehorned in there. Also, Matt Lanter is not a very good Anakin.
The second season was split about 50/50 for me. Too many lame episodes that focus on things like the spider guy (Trench), the Zillo beast, and they entered too much into the EU realm for my liking by including holocrons and the kaiburr crystal. Boba Fett's arc was terrible, which is unfortunate because I was really looking forward to it. I don't know why they decided to make him some innocent young boy. In most ways his arc on the show put him a few steps back from where he was in Episode II.
The third season looks as though it is completely jumping the shark, though I will give it a shot. Cad Bane originally seemed interesting because he had to come up with creative ways to fight the Jedi, but now they're giving him a lightsaber, which is beyond stupid. Also they're introducing the Nightsisters (another really bad EU creation) and, because of the genius writers on the show, Darth Maul's brother.
Seriously. He's Darth Maul but yellow and with longer horns. And his name is Savage Oppress. Seriously.
I'm glad George draws the line between his story and "everything else", but some stuff I just wish he wouldn't allow to be made.
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I refuse to watch that. I also didn't watch the clone wars movie. I did see the cartoon series though.
you lost me Vox.
Do you watch the Clone Wars cartoon series or don't you?
Orginally I panned it....without even watching it......
It's actually VERY VERY GOOD.
There was a cartoon made around the time of the movie I think. It's not the same as the animated series and I don't think it's very well know. It's quite enjoyable though.
(https://www.onedigitallife.com/images/star-wars-clone-wars.jpg)
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So I noticed storm troopers totally suck in shooting blasters. In what possible way did the Empire train them so that they miss every single target?
If you start on the road on that discussion then the inevitable question comes up:
Why in a future of such advanced technologies are the armies still, mostly, fighting land based assaults? (Unless there was some treaty or pact eliminating mass destruction weapons...)
It's not the future. It's a long time ago. In a galaxy far, far away.
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The original animated Clone Wars cartoons are awesome.
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So I noticed storm troopers totally suck in shooting blasters. In what possible way did the Empire train them so that they miss every single target?
They were trained to only fire warning shots at protagonists.
the only redeemable factor of Attack of the Clones is that you get to watch Natalie Portman half of the time.
Even having Natalie Portman on screen for a significant amount of time couldn't make these films salvageable for me. That's how bad they are.
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I would have to agree that AotC was the worst SW movie, and yet as time goes on I've begun to feel as though TPM might be worse.
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TPM had at least some memorable scenes (Pod racing, dual-lightsaber duel) which felt like Star Wars. AotC had practically nothing aside from that short Yoda thing at the end that looked ridiculous due to CGI and, well, that's not how Yoda is supposed to move.
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I can't wait for Plinkett's review of ROTS. He really knows his stuff about screen writing and how to draw an audience in.
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I can't wait for Plinkett's review of ROTS. He really knows his stuff about screen writing and how to draw an audience in.
I am going to go vomit forever. :millahhhh
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I would have to agree that AotC was the worst SW movie, and yet as time goes on I've begun to feel as though TPM might be worse.
That's because TPM is nothing more than politcal bullshit aside from a few scenes worthy of action (the ending scene with all the fighting happening at once, the pod scene).
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I still don't consider TPM or AOTC Star Wars movies.... i have a hard time believing they are...
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I still don't consider TPM or AOTC Star Wars movies.... i have a hard time believing they are...
Believe it, sister. They're (sadly) here to stay.
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Greedo shot first. Bye. :blush
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Why doesnt Chewbacca get a medal after destroying the Death Star? But Han and Luke do?
The Rebellion is anti-wookie and racist.
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Why doesnt Chewbacca get a medal after destroying the Death Star? But Han and Luke do?
The Rebellion is anti-wookie and racist.
Dude, after the annihilation of almost every wookie with the near 20 year span that happens between ROFS and Star Wars, I'd be surprised if anybody in that throne room knew what the hell he was.
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Uhh the wookiees weren't annihilated...they were enslaved.
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Theme song to the Christmas Special - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSZx2lM5tHY
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I have still never seen Star Wars
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I have still never seen Star Wars
And this is why you think Avatar is the best thing ever.
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Theme song to the Christmas Special - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSZx2lM5tHY
:lol
I'm a French Horn player and I can tell you for sure that you actually have to try to make it sound bad if you want to make it sound like that.
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I have still never seen Star Wars
You should though. A brilliant set of movies, great visuals and a great story (for the most part).
A thought entered my mind..What if you were to show the whole saga to someone who has never seen the movies like Chino here.
Would you show the movies from 1-6 or as the movies came out in theaters?
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I would show them 4-6 and stop there.
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:laugh:
I thought 3 is pretty good..No? :-[
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I have still never seen Star Wars
You should though. A brilliant set of movies, great visuals and a great story (for the most part).
A thought entered my mind..What if you were to show the whole saga to someone who has never seen the movies like Chino here.
Would you show the movies from 1-6 or as the movies came out in theaters?
If I were to ever watch them, I would prefer to see them in the order they came out.
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I would prefer to have never seen the prequels.
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https://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/29/star-wars-films-being-re-released-in-3-d/?hpt=Sbin
Wonder if this will make any money :justjen
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To quote the famous Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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So that's what's going to cause the 2012 apocalypse...
Simon Pegg's twitter post on the situation sums it up perfectly for me:
Watching TPM in 3D would be like the car actually crashing into your face as opposed to just unfolding before your eyes.
That film destroyed my childhood, and now it'll come back to haunt me.
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Lucas had some really terrific ideas for the prequels that, unfortunately, were not executed nearly as well as they deserved to be. Without dwelling on all the flaws, here are some thoughts on how Ep. III should have been done differently to make Anakin's turning both more believable and more chilling and impactful:
1. Anakin's killing of Dooku: This is such a key moment in the turning of Anakin, but is mishandled so poorly that almost no significance really attaches to it at all. Anakin is conflicted for a moment, kills him, and then says in a completely deadpan delivery that that is not the jedi way. And then, to top it all off, nothing is ever done with this for the rest of the movie. What??? We need to see MORE conflict. Rather than being unconscious, Obi Wan needs to be trapped under the fallen ledge structure as he was while being fully conscious and in pain, and with something else bad about to happen, like another part about to fall and crush him. When Palpatine tells Anaking to kill Dooku and Anakin resists, Obi Wan needs to yell out to Anakin in a way that is just barely vague enough that Anakin isn't sure whether he is calling out for help, calling out for Anakin to kill Dooku, or both. Then in haste, Anakin kills Dooku and rushes over to save his master in the nick of time. Then, this needs to play out more during the course of the film as Anakin feels guilty and his guilt causes him to both doubt his own commitment to the jedi way and whether the jedi way is even right.
2. Palpatine's conversation with Anakin at the opera: Good enough as is.
3. Confrontation with Mace Windu: This whole scene wasn't bad. The problem is, it was underwhelming because Anakin's turn seemed too abrupt for many. It could easily be improved with only minor tweaking. It's fine up to Anakin confronting Mace, and then it all goes downhill. Mace should be about to kill Palpatine similar to how the scene actually played out. But it should be WAY more obvious that Anakin is still plagued by guilt and doubt about his confrontation with Dooku. He should argue more protractedly with Windu about how what Windu is about to do is not the jedi way. The dialog should really dig more deeply into the theme centering around the conflict between 1. having an absolute set of moral values that can never be compromised whatever the consequences vs. 2. doing what is expedient for the perceived greater good despite potentially bad consequences down the road. Anakin then needs to jump in to defend the emperor, attempting to merely stop Windu but not harm him, while Palpatine completely plays possum and acts defeated and in jeopardy (although the audience and Windu obviously realize how dangerous he realy is). Windu and Anakin continue dueling, with Windu becoming more and more frantic in trying to justify killing Palpatine and Anakin becomeing more and more frantic in talking him out of it, with Palpatine subtly manipulating both of them from the sidelines until it reaches such a fever pitch that Windu tries to take out Palpatine, and Anakin all on his own accidentally kills Windu himself. Then there needs to be more dialog than what we had, where Anakin rationalizes what he did and Palpatine helps him rationalize it. We have to see and feel here that Anakin really turns in his thinking here and reasons through that the jedi order is not only obsolete, but actually is the potential threat to ultimate peace in the galaxy because of their compromised morals and failure to maintain the necessary order to keep peace. But he's not ready to storm the temple just yet.
4. The Padme, Obi Wan, Anakin triangle: This is done pretty well in the first half or so of the film, but then just gets a bit goofy later on. I think it needed to go down a little bit differently. It's good that the jedi have been manipulated so that most of them are away from Coruscant at this point in the story when Anakin turns. In fact, I'd say it's pretty crucial that most of them are away. Anakin also needs to be sent away on some minor mission at this point in time, but a believable one--not kiling kids at the temple (at least, not yet). But perhaps just dealing with the separatists, who are hiding in some location Palpatine has just discovered, works well here. Okay, so Anakin is temporarily out of the picture, and he kills the separatists, which is really a win for everyone (except perhaps the separatists themselves, but you can't please everyone all the time). Padme now goes into premature labor for whatever reason (even stress over what is going on with Anakin works, I think). With Anakin away, she reaches out to Obi Wan for help. Something goes wrong during the childbirth and she dies of natural causes. At the same time (and the timing is crucial), Anakin senses that his nightmares about Padme dying are coming true, but he is helpless because he is so far away. He rushes back. Obi Wan somehow also learns that Anakin has killed Windu and that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. Before Padme dies, Obi Wan and Padme agree that Anakin is too dangerous, and the two babies need to be taken away and hidden, so Obi Wan deals with that. Anakin returns and finds Padme just about to die (Obi Wan has taken the babies and left). He learns Obi Wan was there, and comes to the conclusion (although an obviously misguided one) that Obi Wan is to be blamed for Padme not surviving. His distrust deepens when he learns Obi Wan has taken the children. Padme dies, and this pushes Anakin over the edge. Palpatine further manipulates him and his now complete distrust of Obi Wan, and now convinces him that the jedi are actually up to something nefarious and evil and that they must be destroyed. NOW is a better time for Order 66, Anakin slaying the jedi at the temple, etc., and it is more credible for Anakin to fall for it. With the buildup I've outline above, it makes more sense for him to now take this final leap. As far as getting the final showdown to a place where there's some lava, there are a number of ways to do that. Honestly, from this point forward, the major flaws have been fixed, so however we get to the final showdown between Anakin and Obi Wan, it works much better than how it was done in the film. Maybe Obi Wan goes to Lava Wolrd to hide. Or better yet, some other jedi master is there and instead of it being a nearly abandoned world, it is a place that is more populated, and one of the major clone battles is taking place there. The fact that it is a key location justifies Obi Wan going there to help whatever other jedi master is there and trying to save him from Order 66. Anakin learns Obi Wan is there, and goes to confront him. As the battle rages around them, Anakin and Obi Wan duel and have dialog similar to the dialog in the films. The only big difference is that now it is all much more believable, and instead of the audience watching and shaking their heads in disbelief over the amount of cheese, suck, and lame, now we're all on the edges of our seats even though we know what is going to happen--namely, Anakin losing the fight and getting burned up by lava, with Obi Wan managing to escape before Palpatine gets there to plug him into the respirator suit.
We then have the cool scene with Anakin's transformation, without the "Nooooooooooo!" that killed all the momentum. We get rid of the Padme dying because she inexplicably lost the will to live scene. And we keep all the other closing scenes that really did have a nice impact at the closing of the film. Doing it this way easily takes pt. III, if not the entire prequel trilogy, up several notches, IMO.
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Unfortunately, touching up the facade doesn't amount to much when the foundations are rotten.
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Fortunately, the foundations were excellent.
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Well, if we're using a building analogy, it's more like the blueprints were excellent, but when they were taken out again after 15 years of hiding in a drawer they had deteriorated to the point that anything built from them was going to be poor, and any attempt to copy directly would result in failure.
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No, the story is excellent, the prequels just made sure that it was told in a way that literally could not have been worse. I mean they cut out the scene that explained the entire reason behind why the most important things happened in the Star Wars saga with the conversation between dead Liam Neeson and Yoda in ROTS. :facepalm:
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I don't think the story was excellent. I think it was pretty brutal. The story in the original trilogy wasn't excellent either, imo. But the OT had excellent storytelling.
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No, the story is excellent, the prequels just made sure that it was told in a way that literally could not have been worse. I mean they cut out the scene that explained the entire reason behind why the most important things happened in the Star Wars saga with the conversation between dead Liam Neeson and Yoda in ROTS. :facepalm:
I've heard about this...was this in the novel adaptation or something? Because I watched the ROTS deleted scenes and didn't see anything like that in there.
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No, the story is excellent, the prequels just made sure that it was told in a way that literally could not have been worse. I mean they cut out the scene that explained the entire reason behind why the most important things happened in the Star Wars saga with the conversation between dead Liam Neeson and Yoda in ROTS. :facepalm:
I've heard about this...was this in the novel adaptation or something? Because I watched the ROTS deleted scenes and didn't see anything like that in there.
It wasn't even filmed (considering it would've been an entirely CGI scene with Liam Neeson voice over), but I think it was in the original draft/Lucas' original story. It's definitely in the novel though.
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3D Star Wars?
Oh well, I'll still see it. Its Star Wars, it was the only good thing about my childhood.
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NOTE: This post is literally unfinished. This is lame, but I fell asleep writing it and now I have class soon and then I'm leaving for a couple days. Hopefully I can finish it while I'm dog sitting.
Lucas had some really terrific ideas for the prequels that, unfortunately, were not executed nearly as well as they deserved to be. Without dwelling on all the flaws, here are some thoughts on how Ep. III should have been done differently to make Anakin's turning both more believable and more chilling and impactful:
Mmmmmmmmmmm this post is juicy. So many interesting ideas here that I want to play and run with.
1. Anakin's killing of Dooku: This is such a key moment in the turning of Anakin, but is mishandled so poorly that almost no significance really attaches to it at all. Anakin is conflicted for a moment, kills him, and then says in a completely deadpan delivery that that is not the jedi way. And then, to top it all off, nothing is ever done with this for the rest of the movie. What??? We need to see MORE conflict. Rather than being unconscious, Obi Wan needs to be trapped under the fallen ledge structure as he was while being fully conscious and in pain, and with something else bad about to happen, like another part about to fall and crush him. When Palpatine tells Anaking to kill Dooku and Anakin resists, Obi Wan needs to yell out to Anakin in a way that is just barely vague enough that Anakin isn't sure whether he is calling out for help, calling out for Anakin to kill Dooku, or both. Then in haste, Anakin kills Dooku and rushes over to save his master in the nick of time. Then, this needs to play out more during the course of the film as Anakin feels guilty and his guilt causes him to both doubt his own commitment to the jedi way and whether the jedi way is even right.
I like these ideas because they intensify the conflict. But unfortunately I don't think it would work. I don't think Anakin would kill Dooku if Obi-Wan was awake. Obi-Wan is basically Anakin's dad. The master/aprentice relationship started when Anakin was a little kid. And Anakin seemingly had no prior father figure. Anakin has this weird worship for his master that children do for their fathers. Anakin rebels for stupid, petulant, and emotionally charged reasons, but in that moment he felt emotionally wrong about what he was doing. Obi-Wan would have provided the anchor to truly validate and act based on that lingering sense of emotional wrongness.
Also, look at the scene in Attack of the Clones when Anakin killed the sand people. When backed into a corner emotionally, he's a murderous psychopath. He killed the sand people, he killed Dooku, he killed Mace Windu, he killed the Younglings to prove himself to Palpatine, and he force-choked Padme. If Obi-Wan's asleep, his emotional uncertainty is far higher, because there's nothing helping to fight this aspect of him.
(Long aside: when you look at Anakin as a psychopath (which, flat out, he is), you have to ask so many questions about the prequels. Why were no signs of this built into the first movie. Anakin seemed to have a hard but not tormented childhood. Was his mom secretly abusive and we never knew? Were his peers abusive? What about Watto? Anakin is not portrayed IN THE MOVIE as an overly traumatized child. Nor do we see him act overly weird or off like a kid who kills Animals for fun. There's no reason for him to be a psychopath. And also, women who are into killers are a very unique breed, and Padme isn't it. Doesn't psychology exist in the Star Wars universe? Wouldn't anyone have noticed this and tried to act on it? Didn't Obi-Wan notice anything that clued him into Anakin's psychosis? Blah, such bad writing. Back to the main point).
But while I disagree with the method, I do agree that Dooku's death should have had much more resonance throughout the film. Why didn't it? Very simple:
Anakin's Jedi Training has no surface meaning to him emotionally. If it did, why would he have tossed it aside because of Padme? Even before they "fell in love," he desperately wanted to bang her. He made zero attempt to stop himself. When he goes to fight Dooku the first time, he tosses aside all strategy and tactics because he's pissed off. Now, that's fine. Movies are about deeper meaning. The fact Anakin doesn't truly care about being a good Jedi is interesting and important to his character. But then why does he like being a Jedi? We need a reason or else there's no conflict. Him not wanting to be evil isn't interesting, and it means Palpatine wouldn't be able to manipulate him.
(Another two asides: First, Dooku is a stupid name. I feel ridiculous typing it. Second, if you haven't watched the Plinkett Attack of the Clones review, you really should. And if you're not going to sit through all 90 minutes, at least take 20 minutes of your day to watch parts four and five. He so ingeniously explains why the Anakin/Padme "love story" makes no sense.)
There is a reason Anakin got off on being a Jedi. It's the same thing that drove Darth Vader in the original trilogy. Lust for power. He and his mom were slaves. Then he was forced to be subservient to Obi-Wan, well beyond when he felt he was ready to come into his own. By hinging Anakin's transformation on being angsty, Lucas got the character completely wrong. Elements of the power lust even leaked their way into the movie. Anakin wanted power over Padme's death. Anakin even then wanted to overthrow Palpatine.
So after Anakin kills Dooku, inevitably he'll want to talk to Palpatine about it. Palpatine knows Anakin would feel guilty, but he gets it out of his mind. He tells Anakin letting Dooku live would be weak. He tells Anakin that he took charge of the moment and ensured their safety since they couldn't practically have taken Dooku prisoner. This is the kind of stuff that would pique Anakin's emotional interest. It would further separate his personal motivations and the Jedi's. It would make him trust Palpatine. Where to go from there? I'm not sure. But the scene no longer is just an excuse for Anakin to make angst faces and be evil. It would stir something deep in the character which would continue to matter.
2. Palpatine's conversation with Anakin at the opera: Good enough as is.
This might be the best scene for Palpatine in the whole Star Wars saga. Just. So. Well. Acted. Even the writing isn't bad. Unfortunately, Anakin doesn't do much. He asks the right questions so Ian McDiarmid can keep being awesome, but he does nothing emotionally. Anakin's reactions here are too dependent on the other scenes to really talk about in a vacuum. If you change the Dooku scene and the aftermath, this moment plays differently, and I don't know how. Maybe it's because I can't see straight but I'm still typing. Let's move on. I'll come back to this scene later once it's in context.
3. Confrontation with Mace Windu: This whole scene wasn't bad. The problem is, it was underwhelming because Anakin's turn seemed too abrupt for many. It could easily be improved with only minor tweaking. It's fine up to Anakin confronting Mace, and then it all goes downhill. Mace should be about to kill Palpatine similar to how the scene actually played out. But it should be WAY more obvious that Anakin is still plagued by guilt and doubt about his confrontation with Dooku. He should argue more protractedly with Windu about how what Windu is about to do is not the jedi way. The dialog should really dig more deeply into the theme centering around the conflict between 1. having an absolute set of moral values that can never be compromised whatever the consequences vs. 2. doing what is expedient for the perceived greater good despite potentially bad consequences down the road. Anakin then needs to jump in to defend the emperor, attempting to merely stop Windu but not harm him, while Palpatine completely plays possum and acts defeated and in jeopardy (although the audience and Windu obviously realize how dangerous he realy is). Windu and Anakin continue dueling, with Windu becoming more and more frantic in trying to justify killing Palpatine and Anakin becomeing more and more frantic in talking him out of it, with Palpatine subtly manipulating both of them from the sidelines until it reaches such a fever pitch that Windu tries to take out Palpatine, and Anakin all on his own accidentally kills Windu himself. Then there needs to be more dialog than what we had, where Anakin rationalizes what he did and Palpatine helps him rationalize it. We have to see and feel here that Anakin really turns in his thinking here and reasons through that the jedi order is not only obsolete, but actually is the potential threat to ultimate peace in the galaxy because of their compromised morals and failure to maintain the necessary order to keep peace. But he's not ready to storm the temple just yet.
I like that Anakin wouldn't just cut off Windu's arm immediately. I also like that Anakin should kill Windu on his own. But let me float this reason instead:
Remember how Vader dealt with people who were useless or impediments to attaining his goals? He ritualistically killed them quickly with force choke and moved on. Windu is about to kill Palpatine, the one who obviously really knows how to make the universe a better place. The one who can save Padme. The one who sees the true potential in the force by tapping into the dark side. At what point doesn't Anakin see Mace as someone who's evil like the sand people and detrimental to the greater good like Dooku. There's a pattern to Anakin's killings, keep it going here.
4. The Padme, Obi Wan, Anakin triangle: This is done pretty well in the first half or so of the film, but then just gets a bit goofy later on. I think it needed to go down a little bit differently. It's good that the jedi have been manipulated so that most of them are away from Coruscant at this point in the story when Anakin turns. In fact, I'd say it's pretty crucial that most of them are away. Anakin also needs to be sent away on some minor mission at this point in time, but a believable one--not kiling kids at the temple (at least, not yet). But perhaps just dealing with the separatists, who are hiding in some location Palpatine has just discovered, works well here. Okay, so Anakin is temporarily out of the picture, and he kills the separatists, which is really a win for everyone (except perhaps the separatists themselves, but you can't please everyone all the time). Padme now goes into premature labor for whatever reason (even stress over what is going on with Anakin works, I think). With Anakin away, she reaches out to Obi Wan for help. Something goes wrong during the childbirth and she dies of natural causes. At the same time (and the timing is crucial), Anakin senses that his nightmares about Padme dying are coming true, but he is helpless because he is so far away. He rushes back. Obi Wan somehow also learns that Anakin has killed Windu and that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. Before Padme dies, Obi Wan and Padme agree that Anakin is too dangerous, and the two babies need to be taken away and hidden, so Obi Wan deals with that. Anakin returns and finds Padme just about to die (Obi Wan has taken the babies and left). He learns Obi Wan was there, and comes to the conclusion (although an obviously misguided one) that Obi Wan is to be blamed for Padme not surviving. His distrust deepens when he learns Obi Wan has taken the children. Padme dies, and this pushes Anakin over the edge. Palpatine further manipulates him and his now complete distrust of Obi Wan, and now convinces him that the jedi are actually up to something nefarious and evil and that they must be destroyed. NOW is a better time for Order 66, Anakin slaying the jedi at the temple, etc., and it is more credible for Anakin to fall for it. With the buildup I've outline above, it makes more sense for him to now take this final leap. As far as getting the final showdown to a place where there's some lava, there are a number of ways to do that. Honestly, from this point forward, the major flaws have been fixed, so however we get to the final showdown between Anakin and Obi Wan, it works much better than how it was done in the film. Maybe Obi Wan goes to Lava Wolrd to hide. Or better yet, some other jedi master is there and instead of it being a nearly abandoned world, it is a place that is more populated, and one of the major clone battles is taking place there. The fact that it is a key location justifies Obi Wan going there to help whatever other jedi master is there and trying to save him from Order 66. Anakin learns Obi Wan is there, and goes to confront him. As the battle rages around them, Anakin and Obi Wan duel and have dialog similar to the dialog in the films. The only big difference is that now it is all much more believable, and instead of the audience watching and shaking their heads in disbelief over the amount of cheese, suck, and lame, now we're all on the edges of our seats even though we know what is going to happen--namely, Anakin losing the fight and getting burned up by lava, with Obi Wan managing to escape before Palpatine gets there to plug him into the respirator suit.
[Palpatine would simultaneously play to Anakin's love of Padme with the Plageus story while trying to squelch it, ultimately killing the emotions in Vader that made him good that come back in Jedi. It's fine if Anakin's actually somewhat unlikable in the prequels, and that then ties into how in Jedi he only redeemed himself inasmuch as he saved his son.]
We then have the cool scene with Anakin's transformation, without the "Nooooooooooo!" that killed all the momentum. We get rid of the Padme dying because she inexplicably lost the will to live scene. And we keep all the other closing scenes that really did have a nice impact at the closing of the film. Doing it this way easily takes pt. III, if not the entire prequel trilogy, up several notches, IMO.
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Another two asides: First, Dooku is a stupid name. I feel ridiculous typing it.
Yes!
But as far as editing your post, don't. Just add a new post with whatever else you wanted to say. I've already read your previous post as is, and I don't want to have to try to figure out later what is different if you just go back and edit it.
As far as the "review" of AOTC, I know. I'm not even touching that film because there's just too much suck to address. It's easier to address ROTS because it was overall a good movie that just made a few noticeable mistakes and/or handled some things way too hamhandedly. I mean, there are other things that could be criticized about ROTS, but ultimately they're not big enough flaws, and enough people liked them that it's not a big deal. For instance, the space battle was really cheesy. I hated it. But my kids think it's cool, so whatever. And related to that, everybody who ever played Dark Forces II knows how hard Lucas fell in love with the "falling ship" level and how he decided he MUST find a way to incporate it into the films at some point. It was completely unnecessary, and given the blatant video game reference, it seemed a bit cheap. But, again, it didn't really take anything away from the film, and a lot of the younger viewers think it's actually pretty cool, so no need to fuss about it.
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I always call Dooku "Darth Tyrannus," since that's his Sith name. Its about as subtle as "General Grievous," but its better than saying "Dooku."
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I would argue the name Porkins for a heavy-set Rebel was probably more ridiculous. But indeed, it's worse that a main character has such a stupid name.
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For anybody interested in The Making Of, this is about eight simultaneous orgasms - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVBA0jDVwxQ
Apparently that book (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-TM-Definitive/dp/0345477618/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286861071&sr=8-1) was released a few years ago, which I somehow missed. It's ratings on amazon are 70 five stars, 3 four stars, 3 three stars, and one 2 star; apparently it's pretty damn good.
There is now a sequel coming out about the making of ESB (https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Empire-Strikes/dp/0345509617/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286861071&sr=8-2), which is almost half off on amazon right now.
I don't know how I missed that book a few years ago, but I will be trying to get both as soon as I can. Anyone else have it?
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Don't know if this belongs here, but I might have gotten hired for a job because my knapsack has a Stormtrooper on it.
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That's funny, I got fired from my job because of The Phantom Menace.
10000000000 points to anyone to gets the refference.
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Spaced?
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Spaced?
God damnit. I don't have that many points to give out. I was hoping I'd be awesome too obscure.
PISS OFF!
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What the hell is Spaced?
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I cannot stand the prequels. I find them to be atrociously written. The dialogue is some of the worst dialogue ever written for a major motion picture. If anything the prequels have excellent effects but even Lucas stated that effects don't make a movie, you have to have a story first. Good job holding up to your own words their Lucas. Red Letter Media and the pretentious Confused Matthew have said everything that needs to be said about the prequels and I for one agree with them 100%
I love the OT stuff though and can't wait for the fan created update to Empire. His update for A New Hope was fantastic although I haven't seen all of it. Still from what I saw I loved it more than what the SE had to offer.
All in all I agree with whoever said Star Trek is better. It is. undoubtly better. Star Wars has yet to achieve what TNG and DS9 achieved. They haven't gotten close. Star Wars is a fun sci fi show but it's far from being as intelligent as Star Trek has been nor does Empire Strikes Back in my opinion come close to the genius that is Wrath of Khan. Hell I would even go as far as to say Undiscovered Country is better than Empire.
but hey, it's all opinions anyways. :corn
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The thing with the RLM reviews is he picks them apart so much that I bet if he put the same effort into a review of one of the originals he could still come up with something like that with loads of plot holes.
There is one thing that is awesome about the prequels though.... the soundtrack :metal
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The thing with the RLM reviews is he picks them apart so much that I bet if he put the same effort into a review of one of the originals he could still come up with something like that with loads of plot holes.
There is one thing that is awesome about the prequels though.... the soundtrack :metal
It would be interesting to see either RLM or CM pick apart the OT movies just too see what they can find. However they are mostly picking apart the story and not complaining too much about the acting although it isn't exempt from their critiques. For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels but there are many many things the OT has that the Prequels do not.
1) Character's that have life
2) Character's that we care about
3) A spiritual and philosophical context
4) Organic effects that still look better than the prequels
5) A story
etc, etc, etc.
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Not just a story, but storytelling, is imo the main difference.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
Christiansen was very wooden. Why do you think he caught fire?
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
He sucked, but I dunno if sometimes it was because the dialogue he had to work with was so awkward. The infamous "no.... it's because I'm so in love with you!" scene from RotS springs to mind.
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No, his acting was terrible regardless of the dialogue. His body language was just as robotic as his delivery most of the time.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
This. And the originals are not as dramatic as the prequels - the most obvious example being the lack of a central love story - so the acting does not demand as much from the cast.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
This. And the originals are not as dramatic as the prequels - the most obvious example being the lack of a central love story - so the acting does not demand as much from the cast.
Wait wait wait, did you just say the original trilogy didn't a love story? I beleive Han and Leia would like to have a word with you.
Nerfherder.
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I believe he said central love story. And is therefore correct.
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But the love story is key because Anakin turned into a bad guy for the ironic reason of love.
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I believe he said central love story. And is therefore correct.
Eh. It was central enough. It wasn't luke, but it was central enough.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
This. And the originals are not as dramatic as the prequels - the most obvious example being the lack of a central love story - so the acting does not demand as much from the cast.
WHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?
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But the love story is key because Anakin turned into a bad guy for the ironic reason of love.
Ah no. Anakin was always a bad person. He was an asshole from the moment we met him and died an asshole. ;) Also, I agree, Hayden takes the cake for driest most wooden acting in the series with a close second from Natalie (unfortunate) and a close third from Samuel Jackson. However after watching a New Hope recently I still fail to see major differences between it and most of the Prequels. Empire and Jedi had a lot more life to it than a New Hope.
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This thread is sort of all over the place as of late, so I hope no one minds me going off on my own little thing.
I really liked Bosk1’s post about the few changes he believed would have made Ep3 stronger. They were well thought out and articulated, and I agreed with 99% of what he wrote. This despite me enjoying Ep3 very much. I thought about this process in relation to Eps1 and 2 and realized it would be quite a bit to chew on, but when I kept thinking about it, I kept coming back to only one thing (actually two, one smaller thing covered later*): Anakin and Padme’s relationship.
I’m not a screenwriter so I’m not going to be overly critical. I thought the storyline of Palpatine assuming control throughout Ep1-3 was well done. Weaseling his way into the Chancellor’s seat, the creation of the clones, assuming control of the senate... It’s not Shakespeare, but it plays out well and doesn’t cause any major ripples in the transition to Eps 4-6.
But then we come to Anakin and Padme. He meets her when he is 8-10(? I have no idea) and she somehow managed to have a major impact on his psyche, without really doing anything for him. Are 8-10 year old boys that impressionable, such that for the next 10 years he would long to be re-acquainted with her? Especially considering he has been flown off to Jedi training? And then, once they meet again, she becomes attracted to him, despite their obvious differences (and down-played age difference)? Is it because she likes the ‘bad boy’ in him? Whatever it is, it feels about as phony as a three dollar bill. Then they fall in love and have dreams of starting a family, even though they know their separate paths would prevent that from being possible. Aside from the angst-ridden ‘love’ scenes, this whole arc was terribly conceived. Why have them meet when he is a boy? It isn’t significant enough to spend an entire movie on it. If the only significant parts of his arc at that stage is that he’s a freed slave, misses his mother, and pines for Padme, they could have established that with a couple lines of dialogue and eliminated the need for everything that transpired in his storyline in Ep1. For that matter, why is it important for them to fall in love? No one said Luke and Leia’s parents were deeply in love with each other. Obviously it makes the loss of Padme mean more to Anakin, but that didn’t play out that well anyway. It felt like his ‘turn’ was based on a hodgepodge of separate issues, none of them feeling convincing when taken individually, and barely even when taken together. Bosk1 and ReaPsTA and others have addressed this well earlier in this thread so I won’t go in to it here.
*As for the rest of Ep1, why does the fate of the galaxy hinge on a trade embargo with an insignificant planet like Naboo? When they blew up Alderaan, a planet we only saw through the viewscreen of the Death Star for two seconds, we were all “OH SHIT!!!” but we shrugged our shoulders at the fate of Naboo, because it feels so insignificant and empty. This is what Palpatine hinges the first stages of his masterplan takeover on. And we don’t feel any sense of urgency, panic, danger throughout the course of the whole movie the way we felt during the first five minutes of Ep4 with the Star Destroyer closing in on the rebel ship.
Sorry if this was rambling. Please comment, agree, disagree, whatever. Writing this beat working at least.
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Besides, when your two main analogies you're going with are Nazi Germany and the Late Republic, trade embargoes of small planets don't exactly measure up to fires in the Reichstag or crossing the Rubicon.
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When it comes to the Prequels I have been under the opinion for a few years now that Lucas should have started the whole thing when Anakin was 22. The story idea of Palpatine's rise to power is great but the setup and execution was stupid. You have a ton of historical lessons to pick out and write something along those lines but instead Lucas makes it up as he goes along and invents the dumbest governmental system ever contrived. He manages to destroy whatever credibility the Jedi Order had by making them absolutely worthless. The line, "What kind of Jedi are these? Defenders of truth and justice my ass!" rings so true throughout the whole prequels . There are a few sequences that I really liked and I think played very well. The beginning of Revenge of the Sith was good. The final fight with Darth Maul wasn't bad with the exception of some rather dumb ideas which needed Signorney Weaver's opinion (Galaxy Quest reference). But all in all, Lucas manages to write in a sequence of events that make very little sense, and a Jedi Order that is brain dead oh and selfish too and a hero that is clearly an egotistical, jerk and committed mass murder and got away with it. I would be very interested to read what bosk changed but in my opinion the whole thing needed a rewrite. Keep the story ideas, Palpatine's rise to power, Anakin's rise to power and fall to the dark side, Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship, etc, etc but throw away everything and start all over again.
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For one A New Hope has exactly the same wooden acting as the rest of the prequels
There is nothing in the OT that is even close to as wooden as Hayden Christensen.
This. And the originals are not as dramatic as the prequels - the most obvious example being the lack of a central love story - so the acting does not demand as much from the cast.
Wait wait wait, did you just say the original trilogy didn't a love story? I beleive Han and Leia would like to have a word with you.
Nerfherder.
You guys really think the Han and Leia love story is as important to the original trilogy as the Anakin and Padme love story is to the prequels?
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Well it wasn't AS important, but you said there was none. Not a semi less important one.
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I don't think it's central though. It's more of a character-building thing or a sub-plot.
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It wasn't the crux of the plot, though. The prequels were built on politics and a badly written love story whereas the OT was mainly an adventure story.
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I don't think it's central though. It's more of a character-building thing or a sub-plot.
What about the love story between luke and his hand? He starts off living on a desert planet, obviously uses his hand quite often. Then he meets leia, and digs her a lot. Eventually finds out they're siblings and he's back to using his hand. Then his dad cuts his hand off and luke gets super pissy. Central enough for you?
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There is no evidence of that in Ep4 however. Surely a pilot who can bullseye womp-rats in his T-16 would have pussy lined up all the way to Toshi Station.
And he found out Leia was his sister after he lost his hand.
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Nah. Obi-wan told it to him before he left Dagoba.
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There is no evidence of that in Ep4 however. Surely a pilot who can bullseye womp-rats in his T-16 would have pussy lined up all the way to Toshi Station.
And he found out Leia was his sister after he lost his hand.
Yea, desert pussy. Dry as hell.
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Nah. Obi-wan told it to him before he left Dagoba.
Yes, the second time he went, after he lost his hand.
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Nah. Obi-wan told it to him before he left Dagoba.
Yes, the second time he went, after he lost his hand.
See? The plot holes in the original trilogy just get more and more obvious.
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Nah. Obi-wan told it to him before he left Dagoba.
Yes, the second time he went, after he lost his hand.
Oh yeah. I forgot I was thinking of ROTJ. Obi-wan tells the audience though in Empire, though.
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Orcus, I think you need to watch TESB again :p
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Oh yeah. I forgot I was thinking of ROTJ. Obi-wan tells the audience though in Empire, though.
He just says "there is another." At the time, Lucas didn't know who this was, so it wasn't even meant to be a hint.
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He just says "there is another." At the time, Lucas didn't know who this was, so it wasn't even meant to be a hint.
I had no idea GL didn’t even know what he intended with that. Has he made that comment personally? Even as a kid it never made sense for it to refer to Leia. She would never have been strong enough with the force. She didn’t get nearly as much of it hereditarily as Luke did (we are to assume), and had zero training.
I’ve heard people argue Yoda is referring to Vader (Anakin) overthrowing the Emperor, the implication being that Vader still did have the capacity, and the fortitude, to do so. But that is harder to believe when you wonder why it took this long for him to do anything. Unless you account for Luke’s presence in his life to redeem the goodness in him.
I feel like I am arguing with myself in circles…
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I don't think it's central though. It's more of a character-building thing or a sub-plot.
What about the love story between luke and his hand? He starts off living on a desert planet, obviously uses his hand quite often. Then he meets leia, and digs her a lot. Eventually finds out they're siblings and he's back to using his hand. Then his dad cuts his hand off and luke gets super pissy. Central enough for you?
"Just practice on a hot dog first or you'll rip your dick off." - Droid that fixes Luke's hand in the Family Guy version
And also:
The Luke-Leia-Han love triangle is a much bigger deal in earlier drafts of the script. It’s at the root of Luke’s struggles for self-respect and his humiliations. When Darth Vader is trying to win Luke over to the Dark Side in the second draft, written by Lucas himself, Vader says, “You’re in love with Leia. You don’t want to lose her to Han Solo…. But you will, if you lack the courage to use the strength that’s in you. A strength as great as mine, Luke.” And then at the end, Leia flat-out tells Luke that he’s not the one she loves, because she’s into Han. Also in this version, Han doesn’t get frozen in carbonite — instead, he just flies off to take care of business, leaving Luke and Leia watching the Millennium Falcon disappear.
https://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/10/10-things-empire-strikes-back/#ixzz12NssPIUI
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Reading from my copy of The Secret History of Star Wars:
"Lucas had a lot of issues to deal with in crafting Revenge of the Jedi. The "Other" he had made mention of in the second film is the most notorious of the loose ends he had to tie up."
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BTW, here's a scene from an early draft of Return of the Jedi. There's an extra character in this version, Jerjerrod, who is assigned by the Emperor to keep Vader away while Luke is converted to the Dark Side. The dialog is clunky, but the line at the end shows Lucas has the ability to come up with quotable lines in him somewhere:
VADER'S PRIVATE CHAMER - STAR DESTROYER
The door to the private chamber slides open, and the Dark Lord of the Sith storms into the room. His voice echoes through the chamber.
VADER
Jerjerrod!
JERJERROD
(V.O.)
it is not necessary to shout, my old friend.
VADER
What is the Emperor doing with my son...
JERJERROD
My lord Vader, the Emperor does not have to answer to you... besides, I don't believe he has your son. Where did you come by this piece of erroneous information?
VADER
He's been seen at the palace... and that's where I'm going!
JERJERROD
The Emperor would prefer you didn't... you would go against his wishes. The Rebel attack is about to begin. You are truly fearless, my old friend.
Vader lifts the Grand Moff by the neck and begins to lift him off the ground with one hand; Jerjerrod gasps for air and struggles to free himself from the Dark Lord's iron grip.
VADER
You are not my friend, bureaucrat. I will go to the palace, but you will not live to see it. I no longer wish to be annoyed by your simpering ways.
JERJERROD
The Emperor will destroy you for this.
Vader snaps the man's neck, and he drops to the floor in a heap.
VADER
I think not... your importance has been greatly exaggerated.
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Besides, when your two main analogies you're going with are Nazi Germany and the Late Republic, trade embargoes of small planets don't exactly measure up to fires in the Reichstag or crossing the Rubicon.
The more I watch the original trilogy, the more it's obvious that the Nazi Germany comparison is far off the mark, or at least a mere surface reading. Didn't GL say Anakin, and by extension Darth Vader, was inspired by Richard Nixon?
;)
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There's no denying, however, that a large part of the imagery associated with the Empire is more or less lifted straight from the Nazis.
I have no idea how Anakin is Richard Nixon. Nixon was an asshole; he wasn't a whiny bitch.
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To that first part: true, what is more evil than a militaristic fascist government? Honestly I think that's the point though; I feel like Star Wars is a reflection of the struggles of the 1960s, and the Empire is meant to represent how people started to feel like the compromise that once took place between people and their government was being replaced by coercion, and the fear that values of democracy were disappearing in America all the while the people were dividing in a way not seen since the Civil War. I'll elaborate later because I'm exhausted, but think of it this way: Old Republic = The Grand Old Republic (of course another possibility I've weighed is that this also can be likened to the romanticized Old South, but given the connotations it would not have been "with" the times as much).
To that second statement: :rollin :metalol:
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Except that virtually every documentary out there (and Lucas) has said that it's based on Greek and Roman mythology. Joseph Campbell, people, Hero With a Thousand Faces.
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Just watched RotJ and man, they do has some pretty wooden parts. Didn't stop me from watching the ending 3 times though.
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I think the people complaining about the "wooden" acting and solely blaming the actors don't realize that the director is just as much, if not more, to blame for this. Every line is scrutinized and changed until the director is happy even so far as in the looping stage... even changing words altogether that were mouthed differently on screen and it's so obvious. I would expect the actors themselves were probably not 100% happy with the final product but it's what George wanted in the end and that's who I'm most frustrated with.
I still love all of the movies but I know they could have been so much more than what they ended up being.
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I think another issue is when Star Wars, the originals I mean, came out, Lucas was still somewhat of a n00b and the cast would argue with him and force him to read his own lines until they were changed. Is anyone going to argue with Lucas, who's now one of the biggest directors ever, at this stage in the game? Of course not.
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I still love all of the movies but I know they could have been so much more than what they ended up being.
Lots of people say this, but then when Lucas tries to come out with a newer version to get it closer to his vision, they get pissed off. He can't change actors, no matter if it's 30 years or 10 years later. When the guy puts up a large part of the money (which he definitely did for ESB and ROTJ) he can do whatever he wants, but even then he was hugely limited because of time constraints... More on this later, I have to go to school.
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Except that virtually every documentary out there (and Lucas) has said that it's based on Greek and Roman mythology. Joseph Campbell, people, Hero With a Thousand Faces.
That accounts for Luke's journey to be sure. I fail to see any Greco-Roman mythology other than that though.
Although I think the point is that the classical myths that we've enjoyed since time was time could be seen also in the struggles of a dividing country. I think that's what made this interpretation so powerful.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4
Suck on that Photoshop.
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New movie will be like this:
(https://imgur.com/VNiJC.gif)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4
Suck on that Photoshop.
That blew my mind.
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New movie will be like this:
(https://imgur.com/VNiJC.gif)
That blew.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4
Suck on that Photoshop.
That blew my mind.
I like how he put color strips on the side for later use with the dropper tool. Very clever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-ixeq6M5A
Stormtrooper Dance Challenge: You download the video and add the music and sound effects. Humorous potential, this has.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-ixeq6M5A
Stormtrooper Dance Challenge: You download the video and add the music and sound effects. Humorous potential, this has.
Out of all the ones I've put to it so far, starting Bad Devil by Devin Townsend at 21 seconds into the song at the start of the video is by far the best :metalol:
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New movie will be like this:
(https://imgur.com/VNiJC.gif)
What is even the POINT of something like this? :facepalm:
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https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105460-Internet-Rescues-Bullied-First-Grade-Girl
Katie is a first-grader in Chicago, Illinois. Her mother took her back-to-school shopping a few months ago, and lil' Katie picked out a bunch of Star Wars swag, including a matching backpack and water bottle. Last week, Katie came home and asked her mother for a different water bottle. Mom sensed something wasn't right, and pressed the issue. That's when Katie began to cry, saying "The first grade boys are teasing me at lunch because I have a Star Wars water bottle. They say it's only for boys. Every day they make fun of me for drinking out of it. I want them to stop, so I'll just bring a pink water bottle."
Mom Carrie blogged about the incident on November 15th, and by the 18th the internet had exploded with a resounding, "oh, HELL no." Twitter messages of support (#MayTheForceBeWithKatie) have been zipping around ever since. Goldman's blog has received over 1,200 comments, and she has updated the original post assuring readers that "Katie is reading all of them." In a coup de grace that is nearly to cute for words, Goldman's update also said, "today she wore a Star Wars shirt to school and said to me, 'Tell the people about it!!!!'"
Ultimately, Katie has been invited to the Chicago premiere of a Clone Wars film by its Yoda, Tom Kane. She also received a Star Wars sketch card of herself, holding a lightsaber, drawn by artist Scott Zirkel. Star Wars toys and paraphernalia have been offered up in droves; the Goldman family requests that these toys be instead sent to local children's hospitals.
:tup
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Awesome stuff. Screw You first grade boys!
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(https://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1011/droids-starwars-r2d2-swimsuit-woof-cubby-demotivational-poster-1289522571.jpg)
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(https://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1011/droids-starwars-r2d2-swimsuit-woof-cubby-demotivational-poster-1289522571.jpg)
That...............I..................boner.................oh god.................thank you.
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I saw a version of that pic on dorkly.com and felt duty bound to share it over here.
I normally find tatoos repulsive, but that swimsuit and figure are great enough to cause an exception.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjbCQyYbfE
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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(https://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1011/droids-starwars-r2d2-swimsuit-woof-cubby-demotivational-poster-1289522571.jpg)
:omg:
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New movie will be like this:
(https://imgur.com/VNiJC.gif)
Okay guys, let's take bets: how many pages before this .gif is posted yet again?
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BTW, here's a scene from an early draft of Return of the Jedi. There's an extra character in this version, Jerjerrod, who is assigned by the Emperor to keep Vader away while Luke is converted to the Dark Side. The dialog is clunky, but the line at the end shows Lucas has the ability to come up with quotable lines in him somewhere:
VADER'S PRIVATE CHAMER - STAR DESTROYER
The door to the private chamber slides open, and the Dark Lord of the Sith storms into the room. His voice echoes through the chamber.
VADER
Jerjerrod!
JERJERROD
(V.O.)
it is not necessary to shout, my old friend.
VADER
What is the Emperor doing with my son...
JERJERROD
My lord Vader, the Emperor does not have to answer to you... besides, I don't believe he has your son. Where did you come by this piece of erroneous information?
VADER
He's been seen at the palace... and that's where I'm going!
JERJERROD
The Emperor would prefer you didn't... you would go against his wishes. The Rebel attack is about to begin. You are truly fearless, my old friend.
Vader lifts the Grand Moff by the neck and begins to lift him off the ground with one hand; Jerjerrod gasps for air and struggles to free himself from the Dark Lord's iron grip.
VADER
You are not my friend, bureaucrat. I will go to the palace, but you will not live to see it. I no longer wish to be annoyed by your simpering ways.
JERJERROD
The Emperor will destroy you for this.
Vader snaps the man's neck, and he drops to the floor in a heap.
VADER
I think not... your importance has been greatly exaggerated.
Jerjerrod is in the movie, just not to the same extent. He is only in the opening scene.
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(https://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1011/droids-starwars-r2d2-swimsuit-woof-cubby-demotivational-poster-1289522571.jpg)
oh, dear god.
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(https://cdn4.mattters.com/photos/photos/8102727/C-3PO_Swimsuit_1_gazette_thumb.jpg)
(https://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/c_3po_r2_d2_swimsuits_by_blackmilk.jpg)
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moar plz
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Where are you getting these Timmy?
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Coffee fan?
https://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/e732/
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Where are you getting these Timmy?
I just read dorkly.com regularly and those star wars swimsuit things have come up twice recently. They have both been so spectacular that I have posted them here!!
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I've made a lot of stupid mistakes in my life, but the dumbest thing I have ever done was buying the "Full Screen" editions of the Original Trilogy.... twice.
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:facepalm:
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(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn115/sydanyo/1242180339343.png)
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In my defense, I didn't know the difference between full screen and wide screen when I first bought it, and the second time my mom picked it out as a birthday present.
But yeah, I hate myself every day for it. :lol
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On a regular 4:3 TV, I actually much prefer fullscreen. Therefore, I also own the fullscreen edition of the OT. :P
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Guess what's on tonight.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmT6RX-YWzE
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Guess what's on tonight.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmT6RX-YWzE
Aww man you got me all wet, I thought you were going to say the Star Wars Holiday Special.
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Guess what's on tonight.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmT6RX-YWzE
Aww man you got me all wet, I thought you were going to say the Star Wars Holiday Special.
You can watch that anytime you want.
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Guess what's on tonight.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmT6RX-YWzE
Aww man you got me all wet, I thought you were going to say the Star Wars Holiday Special.
You can watch that anytime you want.
I really hope George decides to re-release it in BluRay 3-D.
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Guess what's on tonight.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmT6RX-YWzE
Aww man you got me all wet, I thought you were going to say the Star Wars Holiday Special.
You can watch that anytime you want.
I really hope George decides to re-release it in BluRay 3-D.
Ay ay ay
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Imagine Bea Arthur in 3D.
Hot.
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Imagine Bea Arthur in 3D.
Been doing that since the 70s.
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TMI, buddy. Definitely TMI.
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Any updates on when in 2011 the saga and the other three movies will be released on Blu-Ray?
I made a decision to not watch Star Wars till then, and since I'm a bit compulsive, I can't bring myself to break that promise.....and I want to see Star Wars again.
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TMI, buddy. Definitely TMI.
:rollin :rollin
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Any updates on when in 2011 the saga and the other three movies will be released on Blu-Ray?
lol
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Started wondering about this tonight: I read the novelization of Episode III back when the movie came out and it talks about a lot of stuff not in the movie, so I bought the Episode I book just to see how that compares to the movie. Anyway, I was wondering if you got somebody to read the books before they saw the movies, what would they think? How would their mental image of the universe differ to that on screen?
Also, next time you go into a bookstore check out Star Wars: Visions. It's a pretty cool book, lots of pictures that are randomly awesome. And a topless twilek, which is more than awesome.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hn8n88RMOr8/TPWeYAGzBOI/AAAAAAAAHdc/tYhkze2on7o/s1600/Star_Wars_Visions_Peter+de+S%25C3%25A8ve.jpg)
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Clone Wars can start back up any time now.
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I still refuse to watch that.
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I did as well for a long time...well...a Season and a half.
I finally got it for my son and sat through a few episodes.
It's really quite good.
Not every single episode.
But mostly.
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Yeah, I like it too. A few continuity errors here and there with the movies, but overall still pretty good.
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^^you see^^
Even his Bosk'ness thinks so.
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I'm gonna have to find that on DVD. I was really excited back when they announced the movie and the show and I still haven't watched either one.
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I tried watching the Clone Wars series. I can see potential but the first two episodes I thought were a bit hard to take. The first episode was horrible. Just horrible.
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Plinkett's Episode III review is up OMGOMGOMG :caffeine: :caffeine:
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Plinkett's Episode III review is up OMGOMGOMG :caffeine: :caffeine:
:hefdaddy
Oh I know what I'm doing tonight.
:corn
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I can't get the videos on the site to load properly. I tried over and over. The videos seem like theyr'e 4 times too big and all I'm getting is the right side. Anyone else having this problem?
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they're working fine for me
part 1 was hilarious, as expected
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they're working fine for me
part 1 was hilarious, as expected
Tried like 10 times, same each time. And they're not on Youtube.
FML.
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Finished it. Fucking amazing.
There is one...er...rather disturbing scene but I'll let you guys see it first. :lol
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Plinkett's Episode III review is up OMGOMGOMG :caffeine: :caffeine:
FUCK
YES
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Dear everyone who is able to watch those reviews.
My balls, suck them.
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Why can't you watch them?
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Why can't you watch them?
As I said before, it won't load right. It's like I'm only seeing the bottom right section and nothing else.
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Holy crap this one's almost 2 hours long. Guess I'll have to view it tomorrow, I'm not going to want to stop once I start.
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Why can't you watch them?
As I said before, it won't load right. It's like I'm only seeing the bottom right section and nothing else.
Oh, lame :(
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this is what they call filler
and it's no where near as good as the kind they put in Twinkies
hmmmmmmmmm...i'd like to fuck my cat
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I love that man so much :lol
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Short version: It's weird, maybe too weird in a couple moments, but accurate and funny. Just don't expect more of the same.
Longer version: I more than kinda hated all the stuff with his cat. I was just grossed out and it didn't even make sense. The Nadine thing was eh, but at least we know Plinkett will live on, which is what I really wanted.
The review itself was kinda weird. But I can understand why. Star Wars Episode III suffers less from its crushing illogic than it does it's overall stupidity. And to handle that, you can't point out individual inconsistencies and riff on them so much.
The most devastating part was when he talked about the blocking of the dialog scenes. I'd sorta picked up on how poorly they were shot, but the fact that they're ALL THE SAME is just maddening. It's one of the reasons I actually appreciate Episode I. The overall camerawork was more dynamic.
The ending was strange but maybe the only way to do it. You could feel the passion in the review, but also the need for closure. And in a way, it was strangely the right thing to do. Unless for some incomprehensible reason you actually like the prequels, at some point the stupidity is too much to handle. You need to let go.
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I think if it would have been any weirder he would have lost me, but I was fine with the cat stuff, although it was kinda gross. And you're right, Reap, the part about the camera angles and the blocking, while really great, was just upsetting!
Also...his Palpatine voice was really, REALLY good :lol
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Arguably weirder than the cat - The string music at the end was almost beautiful. What was that song?
What's the song he uses for the opening of his reviews as well? It's so weird but kinda catchy.
In fact, I wish someone would compile a list of the music Plinkett uses. It's all really good.
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This hasn't been posted for a while...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKa_gjrTCGE
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This hasn't been posted for a while...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKa_gjrTCGE
:metal
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The extreme overuse of crossing the axis (or shot, reverse shot. Both terms are correct) during dialog scenes was pretty insane. I mean, I was already kind of aware of it, but holy shit. There are literally only two kinds of scenes in the entire film.
I mean, learning to shoot heavily dialog oriented scenes in a more dynamic way is one of the very first things you learn in film school. We're talking first semester, film 101 stuff.
Once again, absolutely fantastic, hilarious, insightful review. I don't know what he'll review next, but I hope he keeps doing this.
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ITT: review reviews
Anyway, I thought the whole thing was amazing :lol
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Arguably weirder than the cat - The string music at the end was almost beautiful. What was that song?
What's the song he uses for the opening of his reviews as well? It's so weird but kinda catchy.
In fact, I wish someone would compile a list of the music Plinkett uses. It's all really good.
When I heard "Sultans of Swing" I smileed.
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Yeah, although its use baffled me.
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Where would you even rape the Millenium Falcon?
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Right here -->
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This is now in my possession after my flashdrive bit the dust:
(https://brian.carnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/star-wars-yoda-flash-drive1.jpg)
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That is why you fail.
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It is a Yoda fucking flashdrive!!! How is that fail?
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It is a Yoda fucking flashdrive!!! How is that fail?
Because it is a yoda flashdrive.
Yoda would kill you for using that. And he wouldn't even need to flip around 1000 times to do it.
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Yeah, thats actually pretty awesome
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Where would you even rape the Millenium Falcon?
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Right here -->
:lol
Yeah, thats actually pretty awesome
I would have to agree.
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Yoda deserves to be more than 4 Gigs. :P
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The flash is strong in this drive.
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A New Hope, as explained by a three year old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM854BTGL0&feature=related
This is so damn cute that I can't even comprehend how cute it is. The way she says "Obi Kenobi" around 0:59 melts my heart. :heart
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:laugh:
I thought 3 is pretty good..No? :-[
No.
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A few more details on the high def release: https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disc_Announcements/20th_Century_Fox/Star_Wars_Announced_for_Blu-ray!_/6115
Release date: September 18
There will be three different releases, with the major one being 'Star Wars: The Complete Saga' which will be a 9-disc set including all six films plus more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more -- three for a suggested list price of $139.99.
The other two releases, 'Star Wars: Prequel Trilogy' and 'Star Wars: Original Trilogy,' will each be 3-disc sets with a suggested list price of $69.99.
No announcements on any individual or 3D editions have been made at this time.
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZSJ212/panandscathed-20
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I'll be the first to ask then - will it include the original cuts in HD? :P
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Come spend more money on Star Wars!
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZSJ212/panandscathed-20
What a weird URL. Pan and scathed??? And how have 12 people reviewed this release already? 'Well, I'm not spending $$ on that, I've giving it a bad review!' I wonder how much of that 30 hours will be never-before-seen. 30 hours is a lot of material!
I'll be the first to ask then - will it include the original cuts in HD? :P
According to George, those versions are not the actual versions any longer. The 'special' editions are the current, accurate versions of the film. So I doubt it.
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Come spend more money on Star Wars!
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZSJ212/panandscathed-20
What a weird URL. Pan and scathed??? And how have 12 people reviewed this release already? 'Well, I'm not spending $$ on that, I've giving it a bad review!' I wonder how much of that 30 hours will be never-before-seen. 30 hours is a lot of material!
I'll be the first to ask then - will it include the original cuts in HD? :P
According to George, those versions are not the actual versions any longer. The 'special' editions are the current, accurate versions of the film. So I doubt it.
Yeah amazon has some dumb reviewers and no the original versions won't be included because it would be "too expensive." Doesn't bother me at all, Lucas wrote the story he can present whichever version he wants.
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There maybe hope. Fox after all did put the original theatrical versions on the DVDs without GL's approval. We may still get it. Honestly, as much as I want the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray, I'm not buying them if they don't have the original theatrical versions. I hate Hayden Christensen and I don't want him in the OT even if he is just a ghost.
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There maybe hope. Fox after all did put the original theatrical versions on the DVDs without GL's approval. We may still get it. Honestly, as much as I want the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray, I'm not buying them if they don't have the original theatrical versions. I hate Hayden Christensen and I don't want him in the OT even if he is just a ghost.
They were released with his approval but only because people bitched at him for so long that he finally caved. I'm pretty sure everything Star Wars has to go through GL.
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According to George, those versions are not the actual versions any longer. The 'special' editions are the current, accurate versions of the film. So I doubt it.
In a nutshell George has basically said,
"To all those who loved the Original Trilogy. Well :censored you! I don't and I changed it." Yep! That's right George. You've pissed me off for the last time. :censored
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There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut," it'll be the "final cut." The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie.
https://www.theasc.com/magazine/starwars/articles/sped/uni/pg4.htm
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I've never understood why people get upset with him for this. If you write a book and then realize it would be better with a few different details, so you go back and change it then you are in no way responsible for 'ruining' the book, because it is now closer to your vision.
I think the guy was right on who said, "Star Wars is like a sandbox that Lucas built, he can do what he wants to the big castles as long as he lets me play in it."
Thank goodness he had the foresight to realize he couldn't make Episodes I - III in the '70s.
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You must be too young to have grown up with the original Star Wars tapes. Watching those dozens of times then seeing the Special Editions then seeing the prequels, well, it's a bit more understandable. And the 70s would have been the best time to make the prequels because his mindset would've been closer to the original trilogy. 20 years removed and your brain works in a completely different way.
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Thank goodness he had the foresight to realize he couldn't make Episodes I - III in the '70s.
Why not?
Also, I don't think the prequels were even a twinkle in Lucas' eye at that point.
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There maybe hope. Fox after all did put the original theatrical versions on the DVDs without GL's approval. We may still get it. Honestly, as much as I want the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray, I'm not buying them if they don't have the original theatrical versions. I hate Hayden Christensen and I don't want him in the OT even if he is just a ghost.
They were released with his approval but only because people bitched at him for so long that he finally caved. I'm pretty sure everything Star Wars has to go through GL.
Really? I had always heard it was done without his permission. I know the unaltered versions were taken from the laserdisc release, and, so I had heard, those were used because GL had the original film reels and refused to let Fox have them.
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Thank goodness he had the foresight to realize he couldn't make Episodes I - III in the '70s.
Why not?
Also, I don't think the prequels were even a twinkle in Lucas' eye at that point.
Contrary to what people seem to want to believe he is a better visionary than most realize (or want to accept). He outlined the entire story, including the fall of Anakin and and major events of the prequels when he wrote the original trilogy. That's why there are subtle references like "A presence I haven't felt for a long time" and his wanting to put Episode IV on the opening scroll (which was fought and removed by the rest of the crew for fear it would confuse people). He realized that the technology didn't exist for him to create a convincing Coruscant or Naboo, but that the locations in the later part of the story were much more possible to pull off (the sandy planet or the icy/snowy planet). Obviously it was up in the air and the success of the movies weren't anticipated, but once the technology was invented he would go back and complete the first part of the story. The technology was satisfactory in the mid-1990s, so pulled out his yellow pad and #2 pencil in 1994 and started writing the prequels.
That's the entire reason that it started with Episode IV.
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Do you realize that those subtle references could have just as easily been retrofitted into the prequels? Just because he plucked some stuff that happened in the original trilogy and wrote some origins for them doesn't mean he had been thinking about it all along. The example you gave is kind of lame because we already find out that Darth Vader knows Obi Wan personally in that same movie. Plus Episode IV wasn't included in the opening credits because Lucas wasn't sure how big of a financial success Star Wars was going to be. It wasn't till Empire where they started playing with numbers.
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You must be too young to have grown up with the original Star Wars tapes. Watching those dozens of times then seeing the Special Editions then seeing the prequels, well, it's a bit more understandable. And the 70s would have been the best time to make the prequels because his mindset would've been closer to the original trilogy. 20 years removed and your brain works in a completely different way.
I suppose that would make a difference, I watched all them as a kid on tape originally, but don't really remember anything until the SE theater re-release. I guess if Peter Jackson went back in 20 years and started messing with LotR I might resist; although even if he made it 3D with smell-o-vision, we still have the original cut to watch (just like SW).
It's really the people who bash Lucas for 'cashing in' when he releases stuff who anger me, because if it were up to him he never would've released the original cuts of the OT. If you don't want it, then don't buy it. But don't accuse him of changing things so he can make money (because he's got plenty) and that make it worse (because he's attempting to get closer to his original vision, like he said in that quote).
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Thank goodness he had the foresight to realize he couldn't make Episodes I - III in the '70s.
Why not?
Also, I don't think the prequels were even a twinkle in Lucas' eye at that point.
Contrary to what people seem to want to believe he is a better visionary than most realize (or want to accept). He outlined the entire story, including the fall of Anakin and and major events of the prequels when he wrote the original trilogy. That's why there are subtle references like "A presence I haven't felt for a long time" and his wanting to put Episode IV on the opening scroll (which was fought and removed by the rest of the crew for fear it would confuse people). He realized that the technology didn't exist for him to create a convincing Coruscant or Naboo, but that the locations in the later part of the story were much more possible to pull off (the sandy planet or the icy/snowy planet). Obviously it was up in the air and the success of the movies weren't anticipated, but once the technology was invented he would go back and complete the first part of the story. The technology was satisfactory in the mid-1990s, so pulled out his yellow pad and #2 pencil in 1994 and started writing the prequels.
That's the entire reason that it started with Episode IV.
You really should watch the Red Letter Media stuff on the Prequels as it goes over in detail just how full of hot air Lucas is. After watching those videos I have concluded that what we got from the Original Trilogy was beyond luck. It's like scoring a royal flush. It's possible but not without some major turn of events with the cards and that's what happened with Lucas back in the 70's. He "had" vision, don't get me wrong, but in the case of Star Wars, what he originally wanted is not what we see however for the most part Lucas's ideas are still present.
Case in point. His constant re-tooling with who shoots first. Adding back the Jabba scene when it reality it doesn't need to be there. He's just repeats the same lines he said in the Cantina and it makes Jabba to be a push-over. Adding in filler junk when the pace was already perfect. He honestly NEEDS a "no" man sitting next to him to tell him, "Look! You're a bright innovative guy but you honestly cannot write, direct, nor edit a movie." Lawrence Kasden showed us all how Star Wars was to be done. Seriously. Watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back one after another. Take note at just how "different" both movies feel. Another perfect example is something RLM brought up. Take a look at Return of the Jedi when Luke is brought to the Emperor and then look at Revenge of the Sith when Anakin and Obi Wan enter the bridge and find Palpatine in the chair. Practically the same shot but Return of the Jedi is hands down a better directed shot.
I honestly believe the man simply doesn't trust his own instincts and he second guesses himself constantly. He may never show this publically but I honestly think he does this internally. It shows in the prequels and it showed in the Special Editions
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Do you realize that those subtle references could have just as easily been retrofitted into the prequels? Just because he plucked some stuff that happened in the original trilogy and wrote some origins for them doesn't mean he had been thinking about it all along. The example you gave is kind of lame because we already find out that Darth Vader knows Obi Wan personally in that same movie. Plus Episode IV wasn't included in the opening credits because Lucas wasn't sure how big of a financial success Star Wars was going to be. It wasn't till Empire where they started playing with numbers.
The example I gave is when Obi-Wan gets on the Death Star for the first time, when they go to fight it's obvious they've met before prior to the movie. And I'm certain that Lucas fought to put Episode IV in the original cut; I want to say Empire of Dreams say that, but I'm not certain.
I never said he wrote the whole script of I-III and that he knew Vader built C-3PO, but I'm absolutely certain that that is the reason he started in the middle of the series.
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The example I gave is when Obi-Wan gets on the Death Star for the first time, when they go to fight it's obvious they've met before prior to the movie.
It's really not that uncommon for a movie to have characters that have history beyond when you first see them interact. That has nothing to do with Lucas, it's a common storytelling technique.
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I was thinking about that quote from Lucas about how he seemed to think he was pulled away from the Star Wars movies kicking and screaming that they were not finished. I'm a bit confused. What wasn't "finished" to him. Let's look at the Special Edition changes to find out.
Was it the special effects? Well in the 70's computer animation was at such an infancy I seriously doubt Lucas had any idea of what we would be able to do 20 years in the future. I think when the technology came Lucas then started to realize his movie wasn't done and that it should be "redone" using modern technology. That's not being pulled away from the movie kicking and screaming. That's pulling a Howard Hughes and reshooting a movie for sound. Once he saw innovation, he wanted that in his movie and at that time declared his works unfinished.
Was it the scenes he added? Well having Greedo shoot first has been explained agnosium that I think everyone knows why this is a stupid rewrite. The Jabba scene I explained was already duplicated dialogue and the extra scenes showing the expanse as Mos Eisley did nothing to move the movie forward, it was just a 1 minute "look at me! look at me!" demo reel of SoftImage. Now the Jabba scene was already shot, so that certainly didn't go unfinished unless he knew what he wanted Jabba to look like but couldn't afford it or produce it at the time. Regardless, the scene is unnecessary even if Lucas did want a creature and not a man. The edit is justified outside any other reason. Extra shots of Mos Eisley would have been nice but what necessity does it serve? To show us how big the space port is? I think we get the idea over the course of time they spend on Mos Eisley which a better use of time rather than waste our time with minutes of nothing and the speeder racing by. Also if he really wanted Jabba in there, then why not clean up the scene at Toshi Station with Biggs? THAT was a more important scene then Han with Jabba. It established who this Biggs character is and why suddenly the movie wanted us to care about him during the battle scene. So why not clean that one up? Oh yeah... it's not a CGI monster scene where people can salivate over a badly rendered Jabba the Hutt that looked so much better in Return of the Jedi. I'm surprised he didn't replace the Jabba in Return of the Jedi with a CGI version. Thank God someone stopped him.
Did he not like the Catina scene and wanted a variety of other creatures? Um... I didn't see a problem there. How could anyone foresee such a problem?
Again Lucas only wanted to make the Special Editions because he "saw" the technology and went "Holy crap! I want Star Wars to look like this!". I argue he was pulled away kicking and screaming from Star Wars because he wasn't getting what he wanted. Things started to fail, production went over budget and producers were starting to get worried. In the end, the quote he said early in his career, "special effect complement a story, they are not the story" took a back seat when he saw the technology and that is what he added. Granted a lot of the effects DID complement the story in the Special Editions but their were too many examples of where the effects started to take the front seat; a prelude to things to come.
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I agree... I always loved the deleted Biggs scene, although I guess they do add more substance to Biggs at the end of the film with the scene before they take off. Still, that scene would also have made a hell of a lot more sense with the prior scene as well.
The Jabba scene is terrible, I guess it's kind of a geek moment for SW fans to see Jabba in ANH apart from him looking so badly rendered as you say, but I think it aversely affects the film and the whole trilogy for someone who is viewing them for the first time. There is a huge enigma surrounding Jabba and his threats to Han until we finally see him in RotJ. It's actually quite chilling sometimes, but totally ruined because we see some goofy looking CGI slug thingy who is made to look like an idiot by Han.
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Do you realize that those subtle references could have just as easily been retrofitted into the prequels? Just because he plucked some stuff that happened in the original trilogy and wrote some origins for them doesn't mean he had been thinking about it all along. The example you gave is kind of lame because we already find out that Darth Vader knows Obi Wan personally in that same movie. Plus Episode IV wasn't included in the opening credits because Lucas wasn't sure how big of a financial success Star Wars was going to be. It wasn't till Empire where they started playing with numbers.
The example I gave is when Obi-Wan gets on the Death Star for the first time, when they go to fight it's obvious they've met before prior to the movie. And I'm certain that Lucas fought to put Episode IV in the original cut; I want to say Empire of Dreams say that, but I'm not certain.
I never said he wrote the whole script of I-III and that he knew Vader built C-3PO, but I'm absolutely certain that that is the reason he started in the middle of the series.
I guess it would take more of a Star Wars historian to know this, but I was always under the impression that all he wrote was Star Wars and a bit of The Empire Strikes Back initially. I thought he just started at IV to imitate the serials it was based on and to give the impression of a larger, ongoing story.
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According to Wikipedia, he hadn't even written ESB, but I dunno if that's true.
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He had a loose outline of the entire thing (From Episode I to VI) at the very beginning. Lots of things were different and open or later changed, the point is it was there and he was aware he was starting in the middle. He probably didn't have an ESB script, because with no guarantee that it would be made it wouldn't make sense to write it out in that much detail. If you read Droidmaker (https://www.amazon.com/Droidmaker-George-Lucas-Digital-Revolution/dp/0937404675/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294515172&sr=8-1) they talk a lot about those early days.
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A friend of mine raised a good point about the prequels. It's incredibly hard to envision the Anakin you see in those movies as Darth Vader. The two characters are entirely different. It was almost like watching a parody version of the backstory you kinda sorta knew if you were somewhat into Star Wars (mostly just the Obi-Wan lava fight).
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I guess it would take more of a Star Wars historian to know this, but I was always under the impression that all he wrote was Star Wars and a bit of The Empire Strikes Back initially. I thought he just started at IV to imitate the serials it was based on and to give the impression of a larger, ongoing story.
I'm pretty sure this, or something close to it, was the case. He wrote the first movie, but it was way too long, so he cut it up and the first part of the script became the first film.
Also, after the success of the first film, he planned to basically farm out 11 sequels to fund his ranch and other projects. That's why Empire was directed and largely written by other people. He scaled it back to two sequels when he realized that he still had to be really involved in the production of the films, and when he saw how much work it would actually take to make each one.
He got a bit more involved with ROTJ because, for reasons no one will ever understand, he didn't like how ESB turned out. He actually tried re-editing it at one point, but when others on the project saw his edit, they flat out turned it down.
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A friend of mine raised a good point about the prequels. It's incredibly hard to envision the Anakin you see in those movies as Darth Vader. The two characters are entirely different. It was almost like watching a parody version of the backstory you kinda sorta knew if you were somewhat into Star Wars (mostly just the Obi-Wan lava fight).
This is a huge problem, no doubt.
But, thankfully, it also makes it so when you watch A New Hope, all the characters are so different you make no connection to the prequels. It's like they never existed.
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A friend of mine raised a good point about the prequels. It's incredibly hard to envision the Anakin you see in those movies as Darth Vader. The two characters are entirely different. It was almost like watching a parody version of the backstory you kinda sorta knew if you were somewhat into Star Wars (mostly just the Obi-Wan lava fight).
This is a huge problem, no doubt.
But, thankfully, it also makes it so when you watch A New Hope, all the characters are so different you make no connection to the prequels. It's like they never existed.
What prequels?
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A friend of mine raised a good point about the prequels. It's incredibly hard to envision the Anakin you see in those movies as Darth Vader. The two characters are entirely different. It was almost like watching a parody version of the backstory you kinda sorta knew if you were somewhat into Star Wars (mostly just the Obi-Wan lava fight).
This is a huge problem, no doubt.
But, thankfully, it also makes it so when you watch A New Hope, all the characters are so different you make no connection to the prequels. It's like they never existed.
It's not just the characters. It's the tone and feel too. There's nothing aside from names to associate Star Wars and those video game cut scenes.
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It's not just the characters. It's the tone and feel too. There's nothing aside from names to associate Star Wars and those video game cut scenes.
I feel as if you just made the same post in the Tron thread. :lol
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It's not just the characters. It's the tone and feel too. There's nothing aside from names to associate Star Wars and those video game cut scenes.
I feel as if you just made the same post in the Tron thread. :lol
You're right I totally did, and I fully admit it. These movies suffer from a lot of the same things. I can at least see myself watching Tron Legacy again, but I'll never watch the prequels again.
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As I recall the story, Lucas had written a basic story outline for the story that encompassed the OT, the prequels, and possibly what was going to be the sequel trilogy before he scrapped the idea. He was writing it as one movie, and quickly realized there was just no way he could cram it all in. He decided to start at what would become Ep. IV, not because he had the OT completely fleshed out and knew what he wanted to do with it, but because space movies weren't selling at all at the time, and he figured if it took the most likely route and only ended up being a single move, the Ep. IV story was the most self-contained and could easily work. It is pretty obvious when watching some of the documentaries on that era that he had the general, big pieced of the story in place, but figured out most of the details way later as he was going along.
That being said, none of that is really relevant. The fact of the matter is that, whether Lucas created Ep. IV in a complete vaccuum, had all nine movies completely written beforehand, or something in between, when he did the SE's and the prequels, he unfortunately ruined a lot of what he had previously created. Whatever his motivations were, he hurt his reputation and the inegrity of the stories he created. That's really all that matters.
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I really want to watch The People Vs George Lucas whenever it's available. I'm pretty sure it taps into a lot of this.
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The fact of the matter is that, whether Lucas created Ep. IV in a complete vaccuum, had all nine movies completely written beforehand, or something in between, when he did the SE's and the prequels, he unfortunately ruined a lot of what he had previously created. Whatever his motivations were, he hurt his reputation and the inegrity of the stories he created. That's really all that matters.
You sound like Steven Wilson. Perhaps you can apologize for this comment in "Repentance 2".
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You sound like Steven Wilson. Perhaps you can apologize for this comment in "Repentance 2".
Are you actually arguing that George Lucas's reputation isn't worse than it was 15 years ago?
Or did you just really, really want to make a Dream Theater joke?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCTyMOL1zbA
That commercial (maybe not that one specifically, but one with C-3PO and R2-D2 on Nickelodeon back in early 97) was one of the first times I even HEARD about Star Wars. I still remember it. I saw the commercial and immediately asked my parents if we could go see it.
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I have come forth once more to bring you hot girls in star wars clothes:
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EDIT:found another
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She could lose the Alan Rickman as Snape hair.
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It does kinda look like the basic DV helmet shape though...
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Hmmm. Well I guess I'd find the actual helmet (without the mask part) sexier than the hair. :P
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Still, dem bewbies.
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Noob question ahoy!:
In the first few minutes of A New Hope, some dude tells Vader that Leia's capture may generate sympathy for the rebellion in the Senate. I thought the Senate was completely dissolved when the Empire gained control. Besides, even if there is a standing Senate, why would the Empire consider them a threat?
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Noob question ahoy!:
In the first few minutes of A New Hope, some dude tells Vader that Leia's capture may generate sympathy for the rebellion in the Senate. I thought the Senate was completely dissolved when the Empire gained control. Besides, even if there is a standing Senate, why would the Empire consider them a threat?
There's a scene a little later in that movie where they mention that the senate had JUST been completely disolved. So when he said that about Leia, there was still a senate to an extent.
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So it took them 19 years to completely dissolve the Senate that had essentially lost any sort of power it had by the end of Episode III?
...That don't make no sense.
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It's called not having an editor.
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It's called not having an editor.
Or a good writer, or a good director, or good actors (minus 2 or 3) or having good.......ok I'll stop there.
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Sure, you could blame Lucas for the script, or for doing... everything wrong...
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Sure, you could blame Lucas for the script, or for doing... everything wrong...
People can blame Lucas for most of it, but I also blame some of the execs for not having the brass balls to tell Lucas "its sucks".
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Sure, you could blame Lucas for the script, or for doing... everything wrong...
People can blame Lucas for most of it, but I also blame some of the execs for not having the brass balls to tell Lucas "its sucks".
What Episode IV? It doesn't suck.
So the senate thing is a loophole, although I'd bet it's explored in some novel (though Lucas has never read one). The movie also ends because they shot fire balls up the Death Star's tail pipe, that screams originality and air-tight foolproofness.
People do blame Lucas for doing everything wrong, but they never give him credit for all the stuff he did right.
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In the 70's, George could right.
But he lacks that ability anymore.
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Also he did have some high profile science fiction writers editing his screenplays and ideas for him back then.
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Also he did have some high profile science fiction writers editing his screenplays and ideas for him back then.
Well he only wrote one of the scripts. Was that one edited the way you say?
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That was not.
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Ah, didn't he also write american grafitti? that movie rocked.
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I still need to see that. Even crazy people have their stints of genius.
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I still need to see that. Even crazy people have their stints of genius.
Or maybe he used to be a good writer, then just lost the ability. That happens a lot. Look at John Petrucci.
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American Graffiti is the only musical that I like. And yes, it was Lucas's intention to make it a musical going into it. Obviously not the break out into song type, but it's got a lot of music. Need to see that again sometime.
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Lucas pulled out two movies that had pretty decent writing: American Graffiti and THX1138. THX1138 is certainly his most creative. For those who really want to be disappointed. Watch Star Wars again, but this time really pay attention to the dialogue. Yeah... it's pretty harrowing here as well, but the story makes up for it so much we actually don't pay attention to just how bad the lines really are.
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Lucas pulled out two movies that had pretty decent writing: American Graffiti and THX1138. THX1138 is certainly his most creative. For those who really want to be disappointed. Watch Star Wars again, but this time really pay attention to the dialogue. Yeah... it's pretty harrowing here as well, but the story makes up for it so much we actually don't pay attention to just how bad the lines really are.
Exactly. It also helps that many of the cheesiest lines are delivered by Alec Guinness, who has so much dignity that the cheese isn't so noticeable. Just imagine the "wretched hive of scum and villainy" line from somebody who was just phoning it in, or lacked Guinness's gravitas. As it is, it's a well-remembered line, and actually does what Lucas wanted it do do. That's because Guinness is awesome.
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Ah, didn't he also write american grafitti? that movie rocked.
Yes he did (with a little help from the couple that worked on Temple of Doom); and yes it does. It is an amazing piece of film portraying a unique aspect of American life (at least in the 60s). The blend of story, music, character are top notch, and something I feel he never replicated. Anyone who hasn't seen it needs to.
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With Episode IV, and the original trilogy in general, Lucas had a LOT of help, and a lot of feedback.
Originally, Luke was supposed to be an old man with a robot head, and Han Solo was a frog type thing. Based on feedback others gave him, he changed those details. The main difference with the prequels is that he had long gotten rid of anyone who would question his ideas, and surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men.
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Man if that was the case I highly doubt he had any clue as to what the prequels were going to look like. I call bullshit that he had 1-6 mapped out in any form.
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Lucas didn't even know Vader was Luke's dad until he was outlining the story for Empire.
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Lucas didn't even know Vader was Luke's dad until he was outlining the story for Empire.
Which was while he was outlining IV.
Vader being "father" in dutch isn't a coincidence.
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Were you the guy who liked Episodes 1 and 3 over the OT? Not saying that in a condescending way just asking.
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Lucas didn't even know Vader was Luke's dad until he was outlining the story for Empire.
Which was while he was outlining IV.
Vader being "father" in dutch isn't a coincidence.
Alright, look. I actually own a book called the secret history of Star Wars. The author went to great lengths to look at interviews and story documents in order to trace when Lucas came up with certain story ideas. And then he backs them up so they don't sounds like ridiculous fan speculation. The book's sufficiently expensive for me to want to expect that.
So when I type "to the best of my knowledge, Lucas didn't start really working out Empire until after A New Hope, and that was when he decided Vader was Luke's father." I'd really hope you believe me. I guess we can do that thing where I get the book out and quote the specific paragraphs I'm getting this from. My e-penis gets off on knowing that I'm very knowledgeable about Star Wars and can smack around people on the internet who know less than me.
But why go through all of that?
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Were you the guy who liked Episodes 1 and 3 over the OT? Not saying that in a condescending way just asking.
I am not. I don't hat them as much as everyone else, but the OT is no doubt superior.
Lucas didn't even know Vader was Luke's dad until he was outlining the story for Empire.
Which was while he was outlining IV.
Vader being "father" in dutch isn't a coincidence.
Alright, look. I actually own a book called the secret history of Star Wars. The author went to great lengths to look at interviews and story documents in order to trace when Lucas came up with certain story ideas. And then he backs them up so they don't sounds like ridiculous fan speculation. The book's sufficiently expensive for me to want to expect that.
So when I type "to the best of my knowledge, Lucas didn't start really working out Empire until after A New Hope, and that was when he decided Vader was Luke's father." I'd really hope you believe me. I guess we can do that thing where I get the book out and quote the specific paragraphs I'm getting this from. My e-penis gets off on knowing that I'm very knowledgeable about Star Wars and can smack around people on the internet who know less than me.
But why go through all of that?
It's very likely that he decided that Vader was his father while writing Empire. My point is that he started outlining/writing Empire prior to the release of A New Hope.
Not that he's making stuff up, but The Secret History of Star Wars isn't an authorized book. And based on my viewing of every bonus feature on every Star Wars DVD, he had all six very roughly outlined before ANH. From what I can tell Rinzler's The Making of Star Wars would be the definitive book on the topic since he had unlimited access to anything he wanted inside LucasFilm, I don't have it though.
I've spent a lot of time arguing Star Wars on the internet. It's a fun pastime, I won't lose any sleep tonight over it.
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I'm sure a lot of stuff in that book is true, Reap, but like BnG said, naming Vader after the dutch word for "father" isn't a coincidence. Maybe he didn't start writing it till after ANH, but I'm sure he had a basic outline.
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I can't help but feel that someone making a book published by LucasBooks is akin to a scientist getting a grant to do research. The end product is going to mimic whatever viewpoints of the person who is writing the checks.
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I can't help but feel that someone making a book published by LucasBooks is akin to a scientist getting a grant to do research. The end product is going to mimic whatever viewpoints of the person who is writing the checks.
Well Lucas has never read a Star Wars novel, so I don't know why he'd start reading non fiction. :biggrin:
Really though, what reason would they have to make shit up?
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I can't help but feel that someone making a book published by LucasBooks is akin to a scientist getting a grant to do research. The end product is going to mimic whatever viewpoints of the person who is writing the checks.
Ding ding ding ding ding
Really though, what reason would they have to make shit up?
Because Lucas is a smart business man. Part of the branding of Star Wars is that he's a super genius who made the whole thing up in his head years and years ago.
If you read old interviews from the past, you can tell Lucas never had a consistent idea of what Star Wars was supposed to be. At one point he talked about making twelve films. Before A New Hope made tons of money, he was planning to have other authors write sequel novels and do other things.
I can sorta see your point. A source that actually has personal contact with Lucas is going to get more intimate details. But the possibility for bias is so much higher, especially when Lucas has clear motive to change the story.
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The reason behind the Vader name and its Dutch translation is that Anakin and Vader were originally two separate characters. The light father and the dark father, two sides of the same coin. He probably toyed around with the idea a lot, but they were not officially one character until The Empire Strikes Back was getting fleshed out.
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One of my favorites is how, while he was making the OT, Lucas insisted time and time again that the Star Wars films were to be taken seriously, and that they weren't just kids films.
When Phantom Menace was so poorly received, he began to insist that all of the Star Wars films were just kids films, and that people shouldn't take them so seriously.
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And based on my viewing of every bonus feature on every Star Wars DVD, he had all six very roughly outlined before ANH.
I just can't believe that. The absolutely clumsy way he tried to like the OT to the other movies shows he did not have it planned out. Especially all of that brining balance to the force and prophecy BS. Lucas may say now that he had it all mapped out, even in a very basic way, but I think it's crap.
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I'd just like to point out that "roughly planned out" could EASILY just look like this.
Episode 1: Anakins a child, meets obi-war at some point and joins jedi order
Episode 2: Kids a young adult, young jedi, struggles with jedi order, clone wars start, palpatine starts to take over
Episode 3: Clone wars in full force, Anakin is full jedi and starts feeling seduced by the dark side, Palpatine makes his move, Obi-Wan and Anakin fight.
That's it. That's roughly planned out, and it's very possible that he may have had that since the begining.
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One of the things specifically talked about in Secret History of STar WArs is that Lucas used roughly 20% of his pre-planned story in TPM, 20% in AOTC, and then had to cram 60% into ROTS.
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One of my least favourite things about the new SW films is that when people talk about them, you almost always get asked "you mean the second one to be made, episode V, or episode II?"
Even if you don't want to watch them, they haunt you!!!
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One of the things specifically talked about in Secret History of STar WArs is that Lucas used roughly 20% of his pre-planned story in TPM, 20% in AOTC, and then had to cram 60% into ROTS.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
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One of the things specifically talked about in Secret History of STar WArs is that Lucas used roughly 20% of his pre-planned story in TPM, 20% in AOTC, and then had to cram 60% into ROTS.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
My memory's hazy, but I think in Lucas's opinion he enjoyed having the chance to do all these different things with the technology to show the Star Wars universe in ways he didn't feel he could before. Plus, he was really interested in showing Anakin as a child.
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
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Plus, he was really interested in showing Anakin as a child.
I knew he was a pedaphile
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
It's sad when you think about it, the only thing that movie actually accomplished was starting the clone wars. Nothing else.
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
It's sad when you think about it, the only thing that movie actually accomplished was starting the clone wars. Nothing else.
And it didn't even do that well. WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
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One of my favorites is how, while he was making the OT, Lucas insisted time and time again that the Star Wars films were to be taken seriously, and that they weren't just kids films.
When Phantom Menace was so poorly received, he began to insist that all of the Star Wars films were just kids films, and that people shouldn't take them so seriously.
There's certainly a shift, if he wanted to keep it an adult themed thing ("LOTR in space") the prequels would've been different. But there's an obvious effort to try and please the adult generation that saw the OT as kids, but also try and please their kids and suck them in too. Which, to me at least, explains the entire reason for Jar-Jar Binks to exist.
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WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
You know I never thought about that, good point. The clone army was a mystery and you'd think the Jedi and the Republic would have been highly suspicious of it, yet they are happy to just jump on straight away and claim it as the "grand army" of the Republic. Just another example of the infantile plots that Lucas likes to write...
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One thing I never understood was the size of the Clone Army was like 2 million IIRC. To put that into perspective, the People's Liberation Army has a size of 2.25 million, and its just from one country. Why would a force that small be significant in the least? You couldn't take China, let alone a planet (or a number of systems) with that force. Also, you'd think a megalopolis with a population of 50 trillion (or however many it has, some novelist probably jotted down a number nerds take as canon) you could sweep the slums of one district and get as many volunteers. It's a minor beef, but to me it shows how fundamentally ignorant Lucas is of his own universe. And I made that point without even touching upon the prequels' depiction of slavery.
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One thing I never understood was the size of the Clone Army was like 2 million IIRC. To put that into perspective, the People's Liberation Army has a size of 2.25 million, and its just from one country. Why would a force that small be significant in the least? You couldn't take China, let alone a planet (or a number of systems) with that force. Also, you'd think a megalopolis with a population of 50 trillion (or however many it has, some novelist probably jotted down a number nerds take as canon) you could sweep the slums of one district and get as many volunteers. It's a minor beef, but to me it shows how fundamentally ignorant Lucas is of his own universe. And I made that point without even touching upon the prequels' depiction of slavery.
Where did you get the idea that the army was only 2 million?
Did they mention that?
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I swore they did.
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I swore they did.
Maybe that was just one wave? Or something?
I don't know, but not even Lucas is dumb enough to think a 2 million man army is worth anything.
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I dunno. What I do remember relatively clearly is that in ROTS they send 2 battalions to hold the Wookie planet. A battalion varies in size depending on the structure of the army, but is typically in the range of 500-1,500. So not very significant.
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You have to remember that in Scifi, a planet usually has the population of a large city.
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WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
You know I never thought about that, good point. The clone army was a mystery and you'd think the Jedi and the Republic would have been highly suspicious of it, yet they are happy to just jump on straight away and claim it as the "grand army" of the Republic. Just another example of the infantile plots that Lucas likes to write...
Lucas needs clones to make the Clone Wars, so thats what he's going to give us, no matter how goddamn stupid the route to getting us there is.
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Yea, I always got the impression that the clones were originally intended to be the bad guys of the Republic, then Lucas decided to come up with this convoluted plot about Dooku/Palapatine using the alias of some Jedi master to trick the Kamino into making a bunch of clones of Boba/Jango Fett into an army for the Republic who have some sort of "kill all Jedi" sleeper program implanted into their brains. I didn't mind the thing about the clones fighting for the Republic, and I didn't really mind them being clones of Fett, but what I did mind was the implication that all stormtroopers were clones, despite ample evidence to the contrary in the original trilogy, to say nothing of the expanded universe.
BTW, who here has seen the Red Letter Media review of the prequels? So hilarious, and yet so dead on. The part where he compared the story of Anakin to Citizen Kane was a laugh riot. :lol
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
I haven't watched the cartoons, but did that happen in there? Cause as far as the prequels go, pretty sure all of the troopers were clones.
And....correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Lucas replace the troopers voices in the originals with the Jango Fetts?
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
I haven't watched the cartoons, but did that happen in there? Cause as far as the prequels go, pretty sure all of the troopers were clones.
And....correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Lucas replace the troopers voices in the originals with the Jango Fetts?
Nope. He replaced Boba's voice I think, not the stormtroopers'.
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Yea I knew about Bobas, which was fine since he has like 2 lines or something. I could have sworn he did some troopers as well, but I guess not.
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BTW, who here has seen the Red Letter Media review of the prequels? So hilarious, and yet so dead on. The part where he compared the story of Anakin to Citizen Kane was a laugh riot. :lol
*To your avatar* Whats wrong with your face!?!
EDIT: I didn't realize that you already put that underneath your avatar.
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BTW, who here has seen the Red Letter Media review of the prequels? So hilarious, and yet so dead on. The part where he compared the story of Anakin to Citizen Kane was a laugh riot. :lol
Look through the last few pages and you'll see that those were a pretty big hit here.
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
Well yea, I know that is how they explained it away in the EU since, in the UE there are stormtroopers who are actual characters who had actual childhoods, families, and other things a clone wouldn't have. However, I did hear that at some point Lucas did at least consider replacing all the stormtrooper voices in the original trilogy with Jango's, although I guess he backed down from that.
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
Well yea, I know that is how they explained it away in the EU since, in the UE there are stormtroopers who are actual characters who had actual childhoods, families, and other things a clone wouldn't have. However, I did hear that at some point Lucas did at least consider replacing all the stormtrooper voices in the original trilogy with Jango's, although I guess he backed down from that.
And even more so when the clones in some video games have different voices despite being clones.
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
Well yea, I know that is how they explained it away in the EU since, in the UE there are stormtroopers who are actual characters who had actual childhoods, families, and other things a clone wouldn't have. However, I did hear that at some point Lucas did at least consider replacing all the stormtrooper voices in the original trilogy with Jango's, although I guess he backed down from that.
And even more so when the clones in some video games have different voices despite being clones.
:lol Like in Republic Commando. I never understood that. I remember in the Battlefront II rise of the empire campaign the narrator says that eventually they started working clones from other templates into most of the Storm Trooper units. That still doesn't reconcile with the idea of Storm Troopers being normal guys.
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Not all storm troopers are clones. Initially they were but then they also started recruiting people and making training centra and stuff.
Well yea, I know that is how they explained it away in the EU since, in the UE there are stormtroopers who are actual characters who had actual childhoods, families, and other things a clone wouldn't have. However, I did hear that at some point Lucas did at least consider replacing all the stormtrooper voices in the original trilogy with Jango's, although I guess he backed down from that.
And even more so when the clones in some video games have different voices despite being clones.
:lol Like in Republic Commando. I never understood that. I remember in the Battlefront II rise of the empire campaign the narrator says that eventually they started working clones from other templates into most of the Storm Trooper units. That still doesn't reconcile with the idea of Storm Troopers being normal guys.
Yeah, it makes no sense, but it did make that game a great deal more enjoyable, so it's easy to see why they would do it. Talking to identical clones all day would probably drive anyone crazy.
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BTW, who here has seen the Red Letter Media review of the prequels? So hilarious, and yet so dead on. The part where he compared the story of Anakin to Citizen Kane was a laugh riot. :lol
*To your avatar* Whats wrong with your face!?!
EDIT: I didn't realize that you already put that underneath your avatar.
:lol I am never going to be able to watch the Phantom Menace ever again with out laughing thanks to that review.
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BTW, who here has seen the Red Letter Media review of the prequels? So hilarious, and yet so dead on. The part where he compared the story of Anakin to Citizen Kane was a laugh riot. :lol
*To your avatar* Whats wrong with your face!?!
EDIT: I didn't realize that you already put that underneath your avatar.
:lol I am never going to be able to watch the Phantom Menace ever again with out laughing thanks to that review.
I don't think I'll ever be able to watch TPM again period. Those reviews are great though, and so much more entertaining than the movies they are reviewing.
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^^ that's just it. When I am able to make my own definitive HD collectors set, I will actually include the Red Letter Media videos over the actual movies. I will also include Confused Matthew's videos on them since his reviews on them are pretty good as well.
I've heard there is actually a fan edit that combines all three movies into a definitive cut and removes a LOT of junk. I can see the possibility of improvement but I cannot see the possibility of it being a good movie as any review states, the problems are just too deep for edits. You need to start over and completely re-write it.
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Yea I knew about Bobas, which was fine since he has like 2 lines or something. I could have sworn he did some troopers as well, but I guess not.
That was something that bugged the crap out of me. Yeah he only has a few lines. But the delivery of those new lines are so god damn awful. "What if he doesn't survive, he's worth a lot to me". The tone of the original line made it sound like a threat to Vader. The redone dialog sounds more like he is pleading for some money. It's almost like the actor had no idea the context of what he was reading and did them in one take.
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The original movies made Boba Fett as worthless as possible, the new voice didn't change any of that.
We're talking about a man who's accomplishment was........well..........nothing as far as I know.
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Is there a huge Boba Fett cult following? He supposedly is ultra cool and popular, but I've never really actually known all that many people who really thought he was all that cool. His coolness seems to stem largely from the fact that he's cool simply because Lucas says he is. Adami, I agree with you that he's really not that important a character. But the hype started early. I remember way, WAY back before Empire was even released, that Kenner did this promotion where you cut out the proofs of purchase from a certain number of action figures and they would send you a free Boba Fett figure. Of course, nobody even knew who Boba Fett was. But the little blurb on the packaging was basically along the lines of, "This is the ultra cool must-have action figure for one of the best characters in the new Star Wars movei that is being made right now! You gotta have this!" And it seems like Lucas has continued to promote him for no good reason I can figure out. That's always been a bit of a head scratcher for me.
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Boba Fett is really only interesting if you are into the expanded universe stuff. He really was just a background character in the movies.
I will also include Confused Matthew's videos on them since his reviews on them are pretty good as well.
I love Confused Matthew, and not just his prequel reviews. But I totally disagree with him on 2001.
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Honestly, I'm not really sure why Boba Fett became the "cool guy" of the OT, considering he only had like two lines like Adami said (though that could be a factor). Here are some reasons I've figured out that explain why people like Boba Fett based only on the OT:
-He wears mysterious, cool armor. Kind of like Vader, but green.
-He disintegrates folks
-Ruthless bounty hunter
-Weird-ass ship
-He has a freaking flamethrower on his wrist, along with a rope.
-Motherfucking jetpack
-He loves the ladies
-Makes Brian Gumble look like Malcolm X
Beyond what we're given in the OT (ignoring his silly death), all the love of Boba Fett seems to stem from the Expanded Universe. In the prequels, its like Lucas just threw the whole "every clone is Boba Fett" thing into the movie as a huge piece of fanservice.
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Boba Fett is really only interesting if you are into the expanded universe stuff. He really was just a background character in the movies.
I will also include Confused Matthew's videos on them since his reviews on them are pretty good as well.
I love Confused Matthew, and not just his prequel reviews. But I totally disagree with him on 2001.
He has a tendency to be pretenious and seems unable to grasp "contemporary art". It doesn't surprise me he hates it. I find him interesting and also unbearable at the same time. His Matrix reviews are spot on. Hi review of Minority Report is interesting but overboard, and as you mentioned his review of 2001 is an airball in his resume.
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^^ that's just it. When I am able to make my own definitive HD collectors set, I will actually include the Red Letter Media videos over the actual movies. I will also include Confused Matthew's videos on them since his reviews on them are pretty good as well.
I've heard there is actually a fan edit that combines all three movies into a definitive cut and removes a LOT of junk. I can see the possibility of improvement but I cannot see the possibility of it being a good movie as any review states, the problems are just too deep for edits. You need to start over and completely re-write it.
Yea, it's a 4 hour cut called Star Wars: Rise of the Empire. I haven't seen it yet but I will soon. I know the problems with the prequels are very very deep into the foundations of the film, so it will be interesting to see if cutting out 3/7 of the trilogy would be enough to actually make the movies any good. At the very least, I hope it will make them tolerable. Bad dialogue and poor direction of actors is just part of Star Wars. If you pick apart A New Hope or Return of the Jedi, you can find plenty of cringe-inducing moments like what RLM finds in the prequels. The difference is how much of the films those moments take up over all. As much as some things in Jedi get on my nerves (the Ewoks and much of the Jabba's Palace scene) they weren't huge tangents that took up half of a movie! (I'm looking at you, Podrace....). Likewise, the Han/Leia romance isn't exactly award winning material, but because it is such a subdued and relatively minor subplot, combined with genuine chemistry between Fischer and Ford, it isn't really an issue and fits rather nicely into the overarching story. Compare this to Anakin/Padme, which took up much of Attack of the Clones, and consisted of horrendous dialogue between two actors with no chemistry at all. And don't get me started on the improbability of them actually getting married in such a short amount of time when all Anakin did in the time was act like a whiny, selfish ass (once again, RLM points this out beautifully.) Still, a 4 hour film that focuses entirely on Palapatine's rise and Anakin's fall would be a much better film. Palapatine was pretty much the whole reason I liked Revenge of the Sith at all!
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Boba Fett is really only interesting if you are into the expanded universe stuff. He really was just a background character in the movies.
I will also include Confused Matthew's videos on them since his reviews on them are pretty good as well.
I love Confused Matthew, and not just his prequel reviews. But I totally disagree with him on 2001.
He has a tendency to be pretenious and seems unable to grasp "contemporary art". It doesn't surprise me he hates it. I find him interesting and also unbearable at the same time. His Matrix reviews are spot on. Hi review of Minority Report is interesting but overboard, and as you mentioned his review of 2001 is an airball in his resume.
His Matrix reviews were very good. I really like his review of Spiderman 3, which sank a great series. Also his Star Wars: The Clone Wars review is hilarious.
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
It's sad when you think about it, the only thing that movie actually accomplished was starting the clone wars. Nothing else.
And it didn't even do that well. WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
Because it doesn't matter.
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
It's sad when you think about it, the only thing that movie actually accomplished was starting the clone wars. Nothing else.
And it didn't even do that well. WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
Because it doesn't matter.
The jedi were independent of the army. Sifo-Dias (or however the hell you spell it) ordered the army of his own accord on behalf of the Republic without the knowledge of the republic or the jedi. I believe it was the Kaminoins' choice on who they used as the clone... Heh, I feel like a geek.
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And proving how bad a completely digital movie looks.
Is that to say that TPM and AOTC are 80% filler?
AOTC is about as close to 100% filler as you can get.
It's sad when you think about it, the only thing that movie actually accomplished was starting the clone wars. Nothing else.
And it didn't even do that well. WHY WOULD THE JEDI USE AN ARMY THAT WAS BASED ON CLONING A GUY WHO THEY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IS WORKING FOR THEIR ENEMY?
Because it doesn't matter.
The jedi were independent of the army. Sifo-Dias (or however the hell you spell it) ordered the army of his own accord on behalf of the Republic without the knowledge of the republic or the jedi. I believe it was the Kaminoins' choice on who they used as the clone... Heh, I feel like a geek.
Jango says out right that he was hired by a man named Tyranus (Count Dooku, leader of the Separatists) to be the template for the clones.
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I don't see why they wouldn't use the clone army. They were completely objective and there was nothing untrustworthy about the Clones, unless the supreme chancellor himself was actually a Sith, and no one saw that one coming.
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The jedi were independent of the army. Sifo-Dias (or however the hell you spell it) ordered the army of his own accord on behalf of the Republic without the knowledge of the republic or the jedi. I believe it was the Kaminoins' choice on who they used as the clone... Heh, I feel like a geek.
Jango says out right that he was hired by a man named Tyranus (Count Dooku, leader of the Separatists) to be the template for the clones.
They mention Sifo Dias by name in ATOC as well when Obi Wan first goes to Kamino.
Upon further review, Wookiepedia says: "To defend the Republic, [Sifo-Dyas] secretly commissioned a clone army from the cloners of the planet Kamino. Prior to this, Dooku had left the Jedi Order, and had fallen in league with Darth Sidious, Dark Lord of the Sith. He was told by the Sith Master about Sifo-Dyas' actions, and Sidious also revealed that they could use the clone army for their own ends. As a final test of his allegiance to the dark side of the Force, Dooku murdered Sifo-Dyas and took control of the project for himself. It was Sidious' true intention to use Sifo-Dyas only as a dead-end cover for Palpatine's plot to use the clone army."
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I don't see why they wouldn't use the clone army. They were completely objective and there was nothing untrustworthy about the Clones, unless the supreme chancellor himself was actually a Sith, and no one saw that one coming.
Except that whole being preprogrammed with the kill all the Jedi order.
EDIT: Conveniently this is my 66th post, in which I am talking about Order 66.
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Reading that also made me realize another crappy part of the prequels: completely forgettable names, aside from maybe Qui-Gon Jinn.
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Reading that also made me realize another crappy part of the prequels: completely forgettable names, aside from maybe Qui-Gon Jinn.
I disagree. For example, Nute Gunray is very unforgettable. Like the time I found out there wasn't a Santa Claus.
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Reading that also made me realize another crappy part of the prequels: completely forgettable names, aside from maybe Qui-Gon Jinn.
I disagree. For example, Nute Gunray is very unforgettable. Like the time I found out there wasn't a Santa Claus.
So the memory of Nute Gunray is associated with...pain or betrayal? Am I getting that right?
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You're absolutely right about the names: the only new names I remember are Qui-Gon, Mace Windue, and Padme/Queen Amidala...I guess there's also Jar-Jar, Wotto...I do remember Shmi, Sebulba, and Boss Nass too, but I don't count those three. I think I just have an interesting TV/Movie memory.
He has a tendency to be pretenious and seems unable to grasp "contemporary art". It doesn't surprise me he hates it. I find him interesting and also unbearable at the same time. His Matrix reviews are spot on. Hi review of Minority Report is interesting but overboard, and as you mentioned his review of 2001 is an airball in his resume.
I thought his Matrix reviews were spot on as well. However, after watching some other reviews (Back to the Future and The Lion King), I feel like sometimes he looks so hard for flaws, he misses a lot of the films.
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He has a tendency to be pretenious and seems unable to grasp "contemporary art". It doesn't surprise me he hates it. I find him interesting and also unbearable at the same time. His Matrix reviews are spot on. Hi review of Minority Report is interesting but overboard, and as you mentioned his review of 2001 is an airball in his resume.
I thought his Matrix reviews were spot on as well. However, after watching some other reviews (Back to the Future and The Lion King), I feel like sometimes he looks so hard for flaws, he misses a lot of the films.
Thats probably true. Thats what I'm beginning to think about his Last Samurai review (which only has one part posted). I didn't love that movie by any means, but it wasn't terrible. Certainly not Star Trek Generations or Spiderman 3.
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I don't see why they wouldn't use the clone army. They were completely objective and there was nothing untrustworthy about the Clones, unless the supreme chancellor himself was actually a Sith, and no one saw that one coming.
And no one saw it coming because the Jedi are stupid as shit. Let me repeat that... they are as STUPID as SHIT!! There! That's off my chest. Any rational and intelligent organization would have put two and two together about half-way through Attack of the Clones and the fact that it took them all the way until Anakin said something in Revenge of the Sith is enough to damn these movies to the 8th level of hell.
Speaking of CM: His best reviews are Pirates 3, The Matrix, Star Trek Generations, Independance Day, Armageddeon and a small nod to Spiderman 3. He always has a good point but he will usually overlook the good in favor of the bad, especially in the case of Back to the Future II, The Lion King, Minority Report and especially 2001. He sees the flaws but I don't think he very objective or fair in his judgement with the rare case of Independance Day. If all his reviews harnesed that sort of unbias I think he would do 1000x times better with some of his reviews.
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And no one saw it coming because the Jedi are stupid as shit. Let me repeat that... they are as STUPID as SHIT!! There! That's off my chest. Any rational and intelligent organization would have put two and two together about half-way through Attack of the Clones and the fact that it took them all the way until Anakin said something in Revenge of the Sith is enough to damn these movies to the 8th level of hell.
PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL!
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Well yeah, they should've suspected something at least. Remember when in RotS, when they sent Anakin to be their watchdog after 3-4 years of the Clone Wars and possibly hundreds of questionable pieces of legislation in between? As soon as Palpatine received emergency powers they should've had someone keeping tabs on him.
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I don't see why they wouldn't use the clone army. They were completely objective and there was nothing untrustworthy about the Clones, unless the supreme chancellor himself was actually a Sith, and no one saw that one coming.
And no one saw it coming because the Jedi are stupid as shit. Let me repeat that... they are as STUPID as SHIT!! There! That's off my chest. Any rational and intelligent organization would have put two and two together about half-way through Attack of the Clones and the fact that it took them all the way until Anakin said something in Revenge of the Sith is enough to damn these movies to the 8th level of hell.
The Jedi really are that dumb. Mace Windu says more than once "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi." Really? You sense a plot? What was your first hint?
Speaking of CM: His best reviews are Pirates 3, The Matrix, Star Trek Generations, Independance Day, Armageddeon and a small nod to Spiderman 3. He always has a good point but he will usually overlook the good in favor of the bad, especially in the case of Back to the Future II, The Lion King, Minority Report and especially 2001. He sees the flaws but I don't think he very objective or fair in his judgement with the rare case of Independance Day. If all his reviews harnesed that sort of unbias I think he would do 1000x times better with some of his reviews.
Agreed. Though I do have to give more than a nod to his Spiderman 3 review. That movie was crap, and it sank a good franchise. Before that one came out they were planning on doing six movies in that series.
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Oh God... Mace Windu. :facepalm:
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Well yeah, they should've suspected something at least. Remember when in RotS, when they sent Anakin to be their watchdog after 3-4 years of the Clone Wars and possibly hundreds of questionable pieces of legislation in between? As soon as Palpatine received emergency powers they should've had someone keeping tabs on him.
Well, that's treason, but by the third movie, they did.
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Hey, if the Sith have a plant inside the government, I see no reason for the Jedi not to have a mole. Also that whole "treason" thing is just a lame plot device intended to distance Anakin from the Jedi.
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Here is something about the Clone Wars TV series that I've been wondering about. Anakin is a Jedi Knight, and for a Jedi Knight to become a Master they must successfully train an apprentice who becomes a Knight. Well, Anakin has an apprentice in this show, but as we know from Suck Fest Episode III Anakin is not a Master (see this scene for details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5yIITKlRo). So what are they going to do, kill his apprentice at the end, or have her quit? Not that I actually care, I'm just trying to stir up more prequel BS to bitch about.
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I would suspect that the TV series will just gloss over that inconsistency and not really deal with it.
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How do we know she DIDN'T become a jedi knight? Maybe she did but the council still felt he wasn't ready to be a master. Because, if she didn't become a Jedi Knight he probably wouldn't have tried to become a master in the first place.
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How do we know she DIDN'T become a jedi knight? Maybe she did but the council still felt he wasn't ready to be a master. Because, if she didn't become a Jedi Knight he probably wouldn't have tried to become a master in the first place.
Because training someone is the test to becoming a Master. If she got promoted, so would he. Why would they have given him someone to call him "Master Anakin" if they didn't think he was ready?
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Because training someone is the test to becoming a Master.
Oh, I read your ealier post wrong. Why do you think training someone is the test to becoming a master? I've never heard any such thing. I think it's the opposite, actually. You have to be a master to take on an apprentice. You don't become a master by training an apprentice.
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I don't think that can be right, because I'm pretty sure Obiwan becomes a Jedi Knight and Anikan becomes his apprentice at the end of TPM
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Because training someone is the test to becoming a Master.
Oh, I read your ealier post wrong. Why do you think training someone is the test to becoming a master? I've never heard any such thing. I think it's the opposite, actually. You have to be a master to take on an apprentice. You don't become a master by training an apprentice.
Regardless, the fact is he's not a master in Episode III, so it's still them not paying attention to their own crappy story. And...
I don't think that can be right, because I'm pretty sure Obiwan becomes a Jedi Knight and Anikan becomes his apprentice at the end of TPM
Correct.
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Because training someone is the test to becoming a Master.
Oh, I read your ealier post wrong. Why do you think training someone is the test to becoming a master? I've never heard any such thing. I think it's the opposite, actually. You have to be a master to take on an apprentice. You don't become a master by training an apprentice.
Regardless, the fact is he's not a master in Episode III, so it's still them not paying attention to their own crappy story.
No, I know. That's why I was saying earlier that I think they'll just ignore that.
I don't think that can be right, because I'm pretty sure Obiwan becomes a Jedi Knight and Anikan becomes his apprentice at the end of TPM
Correct.
Obi Wan became a master at that point.
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I don't think that can be right, because I'm pretty sure Obiwan becomes a Jedi Knight and Anikan becomes his apprentice at the end of TPM
Correct.
Obi Wan became a master at that point.
So he skipped Knight completely and went to Master? Watch that scene again. Yoda says "confer on you the level of Jedi Knight the Council does." Here's the audio. https://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/3/34/ObiWanKnighted-TPM.ogg
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Is Master even an official rank? Or is it more a title?
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Yeah, I don't think there are formal "ranks." You're either a padawan or a master.
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I think it has to be pretty official since in order to be a voting member of the Jedi Council you have to be recognized by the Order as a Master. And yes, there are three official levels of Jedi, Padawans, Knights, and Masters. To go from Padawan to Knight you must successfully complete the Jedi Trials to be recognized as such. This was waved for Obi Wan because he killed Darth Time Filler (stealing ConfusedMatthew's name for Maul). Once you have become a Knight you can be given a Padawan, and if you trained them well enough to pass the Trials themselves, you will be made a Master.
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I think it has to be pretty official since in order to be a voting member of the Jedi Council you have to be recognized by the Order as a Master. And yes, there are three official levels of Jedi, Padawans, Knights, and Masters. To go from Padawan to Knight you must successfully complete the Jedi Trials to be recognized as such. This was waved for Obi Wan because he killed Darth Time Filler (stealing ConfusedMatthew's name for Maul). Once you have become a Knight you can be given a Padawan, and if you trained them well enough to pass the Trials themselves, you will be made a Master.
Yea but I don't think it's a rank, just more of a level of skill.
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Actually, upon further research, it appears Voyage34 is correct:
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Knight
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Master
I stand corrected.
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How do we know she DIDN'T become a jedi knight? Maybe she did but the council still felt he wasn't ready to be a master. Because, if she didn't become a Jedi Knight he probably wouldn't have tried to become a master in the first place.
Because training someone is the test to becoming a Master. If she got promoted, so would he. Why would they have given him someone to call him "Master Anakin" if they didn't think he was ready?
Thats what I'm saying. They denied him the right to be a Master. Maybe he actually completed his training and his apprentice became a knight, but the council still didn't think he was ready to be a master, hence WHY he was so pissed. But just because he is a master doesn't necessarily mean she didn't complete her training.
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Maybe they'll just kill her off. Or maybe Lucas doesn't give a rat's ass and they won't.
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Maybe they'll just kill her off.
I hope for this.
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Maybe they'll just kill her off. Or maybe Lucas doesn't give a rat's ass and they won't.
He doesn't give a rats ass, nor does he have much involvement with the show.
Hey, if the Sith have a plant inside the government, I see no reason for the Jedi not to have a mole. Also that whole "treason" thing is just a lame plot device intended to distance Anakin from the Jedi.
He is asked to spy on his own leader completely off record and none of that is supposed to border on treason? And again, they DID eventually plant someone. I guess there is nothing somebody won't complain about.
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Of course it borders on treason, but there's no reason the Jedi should back off if it means the fate of an entire galaxy of free people. The Jedi are superpowerful beings who have protected the Republic at all costs for tens of thousands of years; I think they ought to be able to deal with being denounced, whatever that would mean for them. And you'd think that after that long a relationship of pure loyalty to the Republic, that protecting it AT ALL COSTS would mean exactly what it says.
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https://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/08/12/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/
Very interesting article, with Gary Kurtz giving some insider insight, largely on how Lucas' attitude toward the films changed over the course of making the OT. He says that it's basically bullshit that any sort of saga was pre-planned; Lucas wanted to make a Flash Gordon movie, but couldn't get the rights, so he changed some things, worked on it a bit, and it became an original film that would have been about five hours. There was a chunk in the middle the worked as a standalone film, and that became the original Star Wars.
The ending to ROTJ was originally way different. Lucas changed it largely for merchandising reasons.
Also, Francis Ford Coppola originally got the rights to Apocalypse Now so that Lucas could make it. However, the studio insisted on a sequel to Star Wars. When it became evident that the sequels were going to take a while, Coppola got impatient and decided to make Apocalypse Now himself. So Apocalypse Now was almost a George Lucas film.
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But as he sat in the dark with the follow-up “Star Wars” films, he squirmed in his seat.
“I don’t like the idea of prequels, they make the filmmakers back in to material they’ve already covered and it boxes in the story,” Kurtz said. “I think they did a pretty good job with them although I have to admit I never liked Hayden Christensen in the role of Anakin Skywalker. I just wished the stories had been stronger and that the dialogue had been stronger. It gets meek. I’m not sure the characters ever felt real like they did in ‘Empire.’”
Come on, Kurtz! Tell us what you really think of them. Don't mince words and don't feel as if bashing Lucas is going to make you lose ground in The Business. ;)
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A couple of opinions on the above article. I agree with Kurtz.... and yet I disagree with him as well. Given Return of the Jedi was either going to be the vision Kurtz had or the vision Lucas had I for one am glad that we got Lucas' vision instead for the following reasons: 1) you already ended Empire with a sad yet bittersweet ending so why not wrap up the story with a happy ending? A New Hope wrapped up with a happy ending and it worked just fine and I see no reason in not going back to the formula of the first in order to establish an idea for the 3rd. 2) the idea of Han Solo dying in the middle of Jedi is just a bad idea from the get-go. First of all you spent the whole movie of Empire establishing the relationship between him and Leia and the whole of the beginning of Jedi is to rescue Han. The building up of the relationship between Han and Leia deepened our emotional connection and to rip that apart in Jedi would have turned the movie into a drama, not straight sci-fi. However I agree with Kurtz on the idea that a movie should not be made in order to cater to the toy business. You make a movie because you have a great idea for a story and want to see it on the big screen. Thus we see the end result in Jedi. You have Ewoks when you really could have had anything you wanted on the Forest moon of Endor. In fact I was thinking you could easily have put Wookie's on that planet and have Chewbacca met his family or something. At least you have a tie in to your primary characters and it moves the story and the characters ahead of where they were. You also have a song and dance number that although was a pretty good demonstration of puppetry and special effects, didn't do anything to move anything along, at least not until we got to the dancing girl dropping into the Rancor pit. A re-write here could have made the scene better. However past that... Lucas really did nail Jedi well and I still enjoy the movie to this day.
However thanks to this article a lot of things now make sense and also it tells us that nothing in the world was going to prevent what we saw as the end result for Jedi and also that the prequels were doomed from the start. It also tells us that Lucas was greedy. Sticking with the movie and adjusting it to meet the standards of marketing rather than the standards of artistic merit. This is more than evident with the prequels that lack a story and are nothing more than a six hour demo reel for where current effects are today and more toys you can buy at Toys R Us. Although I'm glad Jedi turned out more with Lucas' vision over Kurtz there is still the loss of Lucas' "ancor" so to speak as he was certainly the one who was needed the most in the prequels to tell Lucas, "stop making a movie for toys and write a goddamn story!!".
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Maybe they'll just kill her off.
I hope for this.
So do I. But it would be cool is she were turned to the dark side. Then Anakin would have to fight her. It could be a foreshadowing of events to come with him and Obi-Wan. Then again, if it did happen one would think he would learn from his mistakes. But he's also a douchebag and doesn't man up until he becomes Vader. I'm rambling.
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Maybe they'll just kill her off.
I hope for this.
So do I. But it would be cool is she were turned to the dark side. Then Anakin would have to fight her. It could be a foreshadowing of events to come with him and Obi-Wan. Then again, if it did happen one would think he would learn from his mistakes. But he's also a douchebag and doesn't man up until he becomes Vader. I'm rambling.
This discussion also really shouldn't be here, and for that I apologize. I don't know what I was thinking putting this in a thread that is supposed to be about Star Wars.
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Well it is an All Star Wars discussion thread. If we were to apply your reasoning to the discussion of The Clone Wars then I should just shut about how much I hate George Lucas and his stupid prequels. :P :coolio
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I know, obviously I was kidding. I just hate everything that has to do with the prequels.
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I understand that as well, but shit, they're here to stay. So we might as well suck it up like men and ignore them.
But yeah, this discussion kinda belongs here because it has the name STAR WARS in it.
Then again, it might create a new thread of possibilities if it were to have enough attractors.
But also, I'm drunk.
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I love this show and I love the ode to Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVT0B3pPsa8&feature=player_embedded
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I love this show and I love the ode to Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVT0B3pPsa8&feature=player_embedded
I caught a few minutes of this show when I was delayed in Chicago. I liked what I saw and I do like Olyphant quite a bit. Man loves to play a Cowboy. :coolio
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I love this show and I love the ode to Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVT0B3pPsa8&feature=player_embedded
That was a cool trailer. And I'm a sucker for Star Wars. the only other thing I've seen that actor in though was 'The Crazies' remake. Great movie, but I've never seen the original.
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I love this show and I love the ode to Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVT0B3pPsa8&feature=player_embedded
That was a cool trailer. And I'm a sucker for Star Wars. the only other thing I've seen that actor in though was 'The Crazies' remake. Great movie, but I've never seen the original.
You mean Timothy Olyphant? He was one of the stars of Deadwood, which is pretty much the greatest drama TV show ever made.
:)
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I love this show and I love the ode to Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVT0B3pPsa8&feature=player_embedded
That was a cool trailer. And I'm a sucker for Star Wars. the only other thing I've seen that actor in though was 'The Crazies' remake. Great movie, but I've never seen the original.
You mean Timothy Olyphant? He was one of the stars of Deadwood, which is pretty much the greatest drama TV show ever made.
:)
Holy Crap! Adami lives. haven't seenyou in ages whats going on?
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Not a whole lot. But I post here very often. I haven't gone anywhere, I just stopped being mean and funny
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Well that doesn't sound anything like you. Usually you're on with your quips. But back on topic, my boss is getting into a fight with my other friend over a picture I uploaded for the Desktop thread.
It's a pic of Darth Vader from Soul Caliber 4 neck and neck with Mitsurugi, and he's saying Vader's saber should have split him in half instead of being held back.
He's like hardcore nerd for Star Wars. Puts me to shame.
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A wizard did it. I love it when nerds fight. I dunno, I just get fascinated at the amount of knowledge these guys have over a topic and find a way to miraculous convert it all into a doctoral thesis, all because their Paladin SHOULD be able to cast Shout while leaping onto his horse or because my light saber SHOULD split your rogue into two. :corn
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A wizard did it.
The answer to everything.
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Olyphant reminds me of a younger, better acting Bill Paxton.
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Reporting from Walt Disney World in sunny Orlando, Fl:
Star Wars Weekends is just around the corner, and it's going to be the biggest SWW in a very long time. Mostly because of the opening of:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Startourstheadventurecontinues.jpg)
It's going to be massive, especially on opening weekend. Star Wars Weekends at Disney's Hollywood Studios (it will forever be The Disney-MGM Studios to me) was created because of the original Star Tours.
So for those who never heard of Star Tours, it's a motion-sim ride that is located at Disneyland in California, and Disney's Hollywood Studios in Orlando, Fl. The concept that a droid named Rex (who was voiced by Paul Ruebens) who, on his first flight with the Star Tours starspeeder, will take you on a tour of Endor, but you never get there because going into hyperspace, he completely misses Endor, and runs into a meteor shower. After getting out of that mess, the starspeeder gets trapped into a tractor beam in the middle of the Battle of Yavin from A New Hope. Then you go throught the Death Star trench and watch it blow up.
BTW for those who don't know, im castmember at DHS over at The Great Movie Ride. Maybe I probably was your Tour Guide on a magical journey into the movies, or I hijacked your vehicle as 1930s gangster or Western bandit
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/IMG_0065.jpg)
Pretty sweet gig
For it's time, Star Tours was the most popular motion-sim ride of all time. Then in August of last year, it was shut down with a big bang of an event called "Last Tour To Endor". I happened to have met Mark Hamill that night as I was his gangster. He said I have a great gangster voice. THIS IS COMING FROM THE JOKER!!!!
Starting May 20th, Star Tours will reopen to the world (we open before Disneyland. Sorry Cali) with a new ride system, which includes an improved motion simulator, new high-definition video with high def 3-D.
There was a castmember preview for this attraction, and i got to ride it a couple times.
First of all, it's amazing. This is the best thing George Lucas has done for Star Wars since releasing the originals that werent touched with Special Edition on the label on DVD. I had expectation coming onto this ride, and it exceeded them.
This new ride will take place during events between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. Because of this, the Starspeeders which used to be the "3000" model is now the "1000" because of the earlier timeline. And it's not a tour to Endor. You fly through Hoth, Tatooine, Coruscant, Naboo, and Dagobah. Your destination is random. Rex isnt your pilot (the queue gives a nice shout out to him though), but C-3PO is.... when he wasn't suppose to be. And that all im gonna give you about that plotline.
I know you saw 3D in my description but it's not like some sort of hokey in your face gag like Captain EO or Muppets 3Dvision. It's 3D in the sense that you see massive depth of field in the picture quality. Everything looked sharp and real. The space sequences had my mouth dropped to the floor. I was completely blown away.
The technology they use for this attractions makes Star Tours the most superior motion-simulator i have ever been on. It completely blows the original out of the water in terms of theming and entertainment.
Opening day on May 20th, there's gonna be a massive media event. George Lucas, Mark Hamill, and Peter Mayhew will be there. Major news networks are reported to sending reporters and journalists out here for this thing.
This will be the biggest opening attraction in Walt Disney World history. I will report to you guys the mass hysteria that will be coming here.
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Have we gotten ANY new news about the live-action series? It feels like it's been cooking in the oven forever...
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Have we gotten ANY new news about the live-action series? It feels like it's been cooking in the oven forever...
Pretty sure it's dead.
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*snip*
One of my favorite rides as a kid and I'm glad they kept it kinda true. I really need to go back to Disney some time soon.
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I guess today is George Lucas's birthday, and if this has got to be the coolest picture ever: https://www.rebelscum.com/2011/hayfordgeorgebday.jpg
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Holy fuck
Im up at 3am for Star Wars Weekends. Not only am I working at some point today (The Great Movie Ride THEN managing the 4 hour queue we will have for the grand opening of Star Tours), but I will be experiencing what is expected to be a historic opening day for Walt Disney World, the 2011 Star Weekends, and the grand opening of Star Tours. There will be a big press event at 10.
George Lucas himself will be there will Bob Iger, the current president of the Walt Disney Company. Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, and Peter Mayhew will be there as well.
Disney's Hollywood Studios is by no means a big theme park. Our capacity limit is 55k. We are predicted to have 58k. I'm going to have to park at Epcot and there will be a bus to take us poor unfortunate castmembers backstage of DHS so we can go to work.
This is huge. Lucas does not come out of his cave at Skywalker Ranch for SW Conventions, but he'll come out here for this historic day. I wonder if he'll swing by to check out his other Disney brainchild, Captain EO.
So im planning on filmming the whole thing and taking pictures, which ill share as soon as I can.
Also, Rock N Roller Coaster feat Aersomith may have short wait time because crazy people will wait 4 hours for Star Tours. Win.
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That sounds awesome! Star Tours was one of my favorite rides as a kid. I kind of want to go on this one now...
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Alright, you've got me hyped! Accel, would you have any idea when Disneyland's Star Tours is reopening?
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I recently got into a Star Wars vs. Star Trek discussion with some fellow film study friends. They were convinced Star Trek was just as big. I set them straight.
Long story short: Star Wars is awesome. Long live Star Wars :metal
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I recently got into a Star Wars vs. Star Trek discussion with some fellow film study friends. They were convinced Star Trek was just as big. I set them straight.
Long story short: Star Wars is awesome. Long live Star Wars :metal
Just as big? Not a chance. But given Episodes 1-3, the whole of Star Trek is preferable to the whole of Star Wars.
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If you take the Original Series by itself, Star Trek is better than Star Wars. Otherwise it doesn't hold a candle.
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Star Trek as a whole is way better than Star Wars as a whole.
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The original Star Tours was awesome. Kind of upset they closed it down since it was such a huge part of my childhood, but hopefully one day I'll get to check out the new ride.
This is the one in Florida right?
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Why didn't Obi Wan recognize R2D2 and C3PO when they showed up at his cave on Tatooine?
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Why didn't Obi Wan recognize R2D2 and C3PO when they showed up at his cave on Tatooine?
I don't think he had a lot of dealings with 3PO before hand, so after 18 or whatever years, it's likely he just forgot. But R2, I dunno. Maybe he didn't know it was R2 as opposed to a traditional protocol droid? Was it announced as R2 to him? I haven't seen the movies in a while, and I've sworn to wait till the blu rays are released to watch them again.
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I'd hunt down the VHS tapes, myself. As I understand it, Lucas plans to adulterate the blueray releases even further. I'm watching the original trilogy this weekend, and the additions are pretty annoying. Among other things, he completely replaced Jaba's band with something much more campy and cartoonish for the kiddos. It really changes the whole tone and feel of Jaba's lair, and therefore the rescue operation. Making crappy movies doesn't seem to be enough for the man. He's got to go back and crap up the old ones, too.
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I'd hunt down the VHS tapes, myself. As I understand it, Lucas plans to adulterate the blueray releases even further. I'm watching the original trilogy this weekend, and the additions are pretty annoying. Among other things, he completely replaced Jaba's band with something much more campy and cartoonish for the kiddos. It really changes the whole tone and feel of Jaba's lair, and therefore the rescue operation. Making crappy movies doesn't seem to be enough for the man. He's got to go back and crap up the old ones, too.
Yes he did. But I can use that time to get a drink or something. I don't have the rage for the changes like most people do so I don't mind most of them, but I mostly just want the bluray quality.
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Why didn't Obi Wan recognize R2D2 and C3PO when they showed up at his cave on Tatooine?
Alzheimer's?
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I'd hunt down the VHS tapes, myself. As I understand it, Lucas plans to adulterate the blueray releases even further. I'm watching the original trilogy this weekend, and the additions are pretty annoying. Among other things, he completely replaced Jaba's band with something much more campy and cartoonish for the kiddos. It really changes the whole tone and feel of Jaba's lair, and therefore the rescue operation. Making crappy movies doesn't seem to be enough for the man. He's got to go back and crap up the old ones, too.
I'm sure they aren't perfect, but the Laserdisk rips that were officially released get the job done.
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*Snip*
scratch that. There was a disturbance in the force
Happy 34th Anniversary Star Wars!!!
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I'd hunt down the VHS tapes, myself. As I understand it, Lucas plans to adulterate the blueray releases even further. I'm watching the original trilogy this weekend, and the additions are pretty annoying. Among other things, he completely replaced Jaba's band with something much more campy and cartoonish for the kiddos. It really changes the whole tone and feel of Jaba's lair, and therefore the rescue operation. Making crappy movies doesn't seem to be enough for the man. He's got to go back and crap up the old ones, too.
While I'm not saying there won't be any changes (since every version has had some kind of change), the Lucasfilm team has said a few times now that the blu ray versions are lifts of the DVDs. So if history repeats itself, yes, more changes. But the only facts or here say so far tell another story. Time will tell. I'd personally like to see a few things done differently.
As far as the droids, he might remember R2, who knows. Taken into a real world, modern day setting, that would essentially be like remembering a toaster from 20 years ago, even if it was painted a different color.
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There are some pretty talented people out there and one of them already took the 77 version and merged it with the 97 version but took out all the new scenes from 97 and just kept it as a carbon copy of the 77 version with the updated effects. It's what Lucas SHOULD have done and we have to get Joe Public to do this. Hopefully he does Empire and Jedi as well.
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Lucas has made it pretty clear all along that everything he changes is getting closer to his original vision. He's not changing things just so people buy them again... and if you buy them again for the sole purpose of having an updated version you're just going to bitch about then don't bleeping buy it.
Not necessarily talking about people here, but people out there are dumb.
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Honestly I think people put up way too much of a fuss over the changes. There's only 3 I can think of that actually bother me, and of those only 2 really bother me.
1. Han shooting first. I doubt anyone disagrees with that.
2. The new jabbas palace musical number.................oh god.
3. Hayden Christiansan or whatever being put into Jedi.
Just 1 and 2 reallllllly bother me, and 3 is meh. But I can't think of any other changes that truly ruin anything.
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A lot of the littler alterations change the entire tone of the scene, though. My problem with the prequils is that it's obvious Lucas was trying to give it more juvenile appeal, and most of the changes to the originals are to that end. Plenty of them are just quick laughs for the kiddos, but that really bugs me.
I've finally gotten around to rewatching the entire series. I'm most of the way through Sith now(and my God is it hard to sit through). I think my biggest issue with the prequils is something that could actually be changed pretty easily. Referring back to my point about it being directed towards children, the silly "personalities" all the droids have is the most annoying thing to me. I suspect that if you went in and overdubbed all the "roger roger"s and "let's blast 'em"s with normal, non-personal dialog, all three of them would be improved immensely. You can't remove [sigh] General Grievous, but you could certainly give him the 80's cylon voice and it'd be huge improvement (seriously, WTF with the coughing and wheezing!). Jar Jar Binks could probably be overdubbed as well. Obviously, we're stuck with the horrible Padme/Anakin love story, but if there weren't so many other terrible things going on, they wouldn't be quite so bad.
I've also noticed that whiny 9 year old Anakin is a thousand times less annoying than whiny 19 year old Anakin. Lose the stupid fucking droids and Jar Jar, and it's probably the best of the three by far.
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Just buy the Original-SE DVD combo and stop bitching.
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
Hmmm.... I have to disagree for the most part. While the expanded Uni books aren't top notch Sci-fi books in comparison to a lot of others, the stories are very good IMO. Especially The New Jedi Order books. I'd LOVE for them to adapt them in a made for TV series. I think I've read about 110 or so of the Expanded Uni books....
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Lucas has made it pretty clear all along that everything he changes is getting closer to his original vision. He's not changing things just so people buy them again... and if you buy them again for the sole purpose of having an updated version you're just going to bitch about then don't bleeping buy it.
Not necessarily talking about people here, but people out there are dumb.
Very true, a lot of people seem to forget that they have the option of not watching something. But it's somehow more satisfying to spend a lot of time on something they hate so they can bitch about it later.
Honestly I think people put up way too much of a fuss over the changes. There's only 3 I can think of that actually bother me, and of those only 2 really bother me.
1. Han shooting first. I doubt anyone disagrees with that.
2. The new jabbas palace musical number.................oh god.
3. Hayden Christiansan or whatever being put into Jedi.
Just 1 and 2 reallllllly bother me, and 3 is meh. But I can't think of any other changes that truly ruin anything.
Hard to argue with that. Number 3 actually makes more sense to me, but I don't like it as much as I did when I first saw it.
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
Hmmm.... I have to disagree for the most part. While the expanded Uni books aren't top notch Sci-fi books in comparison to a lot of others, the stories are very good IMO. Especially The New Jedi Order books. I'd LOVE for them to adapt them in a made for TV series. I think I've read about 110 or so of the Expanded Uni books....
I mean I'm sure that's true and I've been spoiled by Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells and the like, but why accept anything less? If anything, shouldn't Star Wars writers try to live up to a higher standard? ;)
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I mean I'm sure that's true and I've been spoiled by Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells and the like, but why accept anything less? If anything, shouldn't Star Wars writers try to live up to a higher standard? ;)
I'm with you there. That's why I mention it. I grew up reading Assimov and Herbert. I categorize Sci-Fi Books into 2 groups. One, that are just fun. SW's falls into that category for me they're just fun too read. The other category is reserved for books that really push the boundaries either technically or imaginatively, series like Dune, Foundation, and the Robot series. Newer books by Hamilton, Vinge, Simmons, and a few others, I can't get enough of!
I feel the same way about the movies. For me... they're just fun. Do they make sense technically?? Not a chance. Are they well acted?? :lol :lol :lol. Are the stories fun? Sure. Over the years chatting with SW folks I always laugh when they mention the acting (or lack there of) in the prequels, but fail to mention the horrendous, and even WORSE acting in the Sequels.
I stood in line in '77 for SW's in the theaters, and saw the rest when released in the theaters. Enjoyment is subjective to what the viewer is looking for in a movie yes? That being said, A New Hope had by far the biggest impact for me. The only movie to ever have a bigger impact was the Matrix. I like ALL the movies...and all the books (some are better than others.... but I've never had one that I couldn't finish and get some enjoyment out of).
With regards to the prequels, I liked them all. TPM was not my fav... because of the gungans. TAOTC's I LOVED!!!! Yes...I said it... it was AWESOME!!!! I loved the story, the effects, and even the cheesy acting... :lol . ROTS was hands down the best of the ENTIRE series on the basis of complexity, emotion, and just edge of your seat excitement.
Bottom line, for me, is that the SW's universe is chock full of enjoyment. Hell.... we can punch holes in ANY Sci-Fi/Fantasy movie we choose. It's all about stretching the imagination, while ignoring cheesy acting or imperfect writing/directing.
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Just want to say I LOVE STAR WARS
Because it's been a little while since I stated this fact.
I'm excited for the bluray release. I will definitely get it, but I'm not sure if I will wait for the prices to drop down first. The SE are the versions I originally saw when they were re-released in theaters when I was 7. I remember seeing commercials for them on Nickelodeon, and begged my parents to take me. Instantly fell in love and Star Wars was the biggest part of my childhood. While I wish that GL would release the unaltered original trilogy (instead of the subpar DVD release we have), I am happy that the SE is being released. Aside from the Greedo/Han thing, I don't think the changes are THAT bad. Certainly not as bad as the changes in the 2004 remakes. :lol
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@ CS:
I mean sure, but my reasons for loving the movies have changed over time. In recent years it's because of how it fits into history, because I've come to see the Empire as almost being this metaphor for America as people saw it following the revolutions of the Sixties, and the Rebel Alliance as a kinda populist army, however people might see it. So that's why I love the Originals and not the Prequels; it kinda lost that feeling as a reflection of the times and national mood the Originals tried to capture. Sure, one could argue the Prequels were relevant to their respective time, but I like the Originals because what they reflected about their time.
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I can relate to that way of thinking with regards to Star Trek TOS. I mean cmon, 60's... Klingons= Russians, and Romulans = Red China. ;D
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I mean I'm sure that's true and I've been spoiled by Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells and the like, but why accept anything less? If anything, shouldn't Star Wars writers try to live up to a higher standard? ;)
I'm with you there. That's why I mention it. I grew up reading Assimov and Herbert. I categorize Sci-Fi Books into 2 groups. One, that are just fun. SW's falls into that category for me they're just fun too read. The other category is reserved for books that really push the boundaries either technically or imaginatively, series like Dune, Foundation, and the Robot series. Newer books by Hamilton, Vinge, Simmons, and a few others, I can't get enough of!
I feel the same way about the movies. For me... they're just fun. Do they make sense technically?? Not a chance. Are they well acted?? :lol :lol :lol. Are the stories fun? Sure. Over the years chatting with SW folks I always laugh when they mention the acting (or lack there of) in the prequels, but fail to mention the horrendous, and even WORSE acting in the Sequels.
I stood in line in '77 for SW's in the theaters, and saw the rest when released in the theaters. Enjoyment is subjective to what the viewer is looking for in a movie yes? That being said, A New Hope had by far the biggest impact for me. The only movie to ever have a bigger impact was the Matrix. I like ALL the movies...and all the books (some are better than others.... but I've never had one that I couldn't finish and get some enjoyment out of).
With regards to the prequels, I liked them all. TPM was not my fav... because of the gungans. TAOTC's I LOVED!!!! Yes...I said it... it was AWESOME!!!! I loved the story, the effects, and even the cheesy acting... :lol . ROTS was hands down the best of the ENTIRE series on the basis of complexity, emotion, and just edge of your seat excitement.
Bottom line, for me, is that the SW's universe is chock full of enjoyment. Hell.... we can punch holes in ANY Sci-Fi/Fantasy movie we choose. It's all about stretching the imagination, while ignoring cheesy acting or imperfect writing/directing.
Thank you for saying this, seriously.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
This. It's like that Red Letter Media guy said about Originals characters vs. Prequels characters: you can say a lot about the former and about who they are as characters, and not an awful lot about the latter except their function in the narrative.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
Like I mentioned... we all have different tastes. I think the story lines in the prequels were actually better. What if the prequels had come out first??? What would you think of the sequels story lines? For example, while TPM is not my Fav, it does a decent job of really explaining the political landscape, as do the other 2 that followed. Now... when I go back and watch the Sequels, they really seem lacking in comparison. Bare bones...and good fun. The impact then, was the special effects.... in New Hope there was NOTHING like it at the time. When the prequels came out...they didn't have that same wow factor Special Effects wise.... so I think folks look at the meat of the material more.
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
Hmmm.... I have to disagree for the most part. While the expanded Uni books aren't top notch Sci-fi books in comparison to a lot of others, the stories are very good IMO. Especially The New Jedi Order books. I'd LOVE for them to adapt them in a made for TV series. I think I've read about 110 or so of the Expanded Uni books....
Is that the series with the alien invasion from another galaxy and a moon falling on Chewie?
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It is. I read the final installment in that series. It was *okay*...
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I'll take your word for it. My friend is huge into the EU and explained the whole concept which sounded kinda hokey. I understand they needed a new adversary but the way they went about it seems very extreme and juvenile.
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The Expanded Universe books suck for the most part, but there are a few gems here and there.
Hmmm.... I have to disagree for the most part. While the expanded Uni books aren't top notch Sci-fi books in comparison to a lot of others, the stories are very good IMO. Especially The New Jedi Order books. I'd LOVE for them to adapt them in a made for TV series. I think I've read about 110 or so of the Expanded Uni books....
Is that the series with the alien invasion from another galaxy and a moon falling on Chewie?
That's the one.... I think 17 books in all. The Yuuzhan Vong.... real nasty charachters.
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I did find the concept of the Yuuzhan Vong interesting. And the "final" baddie was pretty cool.
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I've never agreed with your point, no matter who's made it and in what variations.
If you want to talk about legitimately great movies, Star Wars Episode IV and The Godfather both have to be in the conversation if the discussion is among sane people. And by that I don't mean Star Wars is a great fun/popcorn movie and The Godfather is a great serious/legitimate movie. I mean they're both great movies, period.
What you're saying is one of the sneakiest arguments in favor of the prequels that doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it. No one takes the prequels seriously, so then if you say the original trilogy shouldn't be taken seriously either, then it's okay to hold both in the same regard.
Obviously it's all subjective. If none of what are widely agreed to be the flaws of the prequels are flaws to you, then great, awesome, enjoy. If none of what are widely agreed to be the strengths of the original trilogy are strengths to you, then that's also fine.
But there's no way you can say the OT and prequels are quantitatively comparable in any meaningful way. They're vastly different movies, which is why most people see them so differently.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
I know it's only remotely related, but the latest trailer for Star Wars: TOR illuminates these points beautifully (or not, considering what the point is): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w
Sure it gets your blood running and your heart pumping, but if you ask me, this is NOT Star Wars.
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If you want to talk about legitimately great movies, Star Wars Episode IV and The Godfather both have to be in the conversation if the discussion is among sane people. And by that I don't mean Star Wars is a great fun/popcorn movie and The Godfather is a great serious/legitimate movie. I mean they're both great movies, period.
Like I said, to ME... the draw and biggest impact of A New Hope, were the special effects. Was the story good?? Sure. Was the acting good? I don't think so. Was the writing good? OK...not great. I agree that they are both great movies, but I think the 2 are different types of movies, maybe not quite the same as your discription, but yeah. I don't quite get the "Sane" comment. Does that mean that if my opinion is not the same as the majority, I'm (or my opinion) is not sane? I agree...they are both great movies, our reasons may differ though, but that's OK... ;D
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Random Fact I love: George Lucas has never read a SW book.
Thrawn Trilogy is one of the few SW books I've read and they're great.
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Random Fact I love: George Lucas has never read a SW book.
Thrawn Trilogy is one of the few SW books I've read and they're great.
I did not know that! I'm pretty sure though, that all the stories go through Skywalker Ranch, and also that authors have to follow certain pre-set guidelines.
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Like the Prequels all you wish, but no soul should dare suggest the lightsaber fights from the Originals be remade to more closely resemble the Prequels. My brother just suggested, in all seriousness, that the lightsaber fights between Obi-Wan and Vader and Luke and Vader are boring...they need more flips and more action, he says. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! >:( >:( :censored :censored :censored >:( >:( :censored >:( :censored >:( >:( >:( >:(
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If you want to talk about legitimately great movies, Star Wars Episode IV and The Godfather both have to be in the conversation if the discussion is among sane people. And by that I don't mean Star Wars is a great fun/popcorn movie and The Godfather is a great serious/legitimate movie. I mean they're both great movies, period.
Like I said, to ME... the draw and biggest impact of A New Hope, were the special effects. Was the story good?? Sure. Was the acting good? I don't think so. Was the writing good? OK...not great. I agree that they are both great movies, but I think the 2 are different types of movies, maybe not quite the same as your discription, but yeah. I don't quite get the "Sane" comment. Does that mean that if my opinion is not the same as the majority, I'm (or my opinion) is not sane? I agree...they are both great movies, our reasons may differ though, but that's OK... ;D
Do yourself a favor and watch the Red Letter media and Confused Matthew reviews.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
I know it's only remotely related, but the latest trailer for Star Wars: TOR illuminates these points beautifully (or not, considering what the point is): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w
Sure it gets your blood running and your heart pumping, but if you ask me, this is NOT Star Wars.
I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
I know it's only remotely related, but the latest trailer for Star Wars: TOR illuminates these points beautifully (or not, considering what the point is): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w
Sure it gets your blood running and your heart pumping, but if you ask me, this is NOT Star Wars.
I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
That's more or less what I was saying in the post you quoted. :laugh:
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Most people I think don't see just how horrendous the lines are in A New Hope. They are downright awful. But you why no one noticed them? Because the "story" was stronger than diamonds. The character's were memorable and human. It was one hell of a ride and I hated when it was over. The Prequels have awful writing, no story, no pace, no characters, no life, no nothing. It was like watching a robot play tennis with itself. It all looked perfect and there were some wicked moves here and there, but it was a lifeless drone, a black hole that sucked all the life leaving a vacuous space of polished nothing. Lucas's updates to the OT threw some of this lifeless in there which was one thing I just want to disappear. The whole Jabba scene was pointless in A New Hope. There is nothing to watch there. It's a waste of time. Compare that with Luke's line, "What a piece of junk!". Night and day. If you are going to change up a movie, make sure you don't suck the life out of the movie. This is the BIGGEST issue with today's remakes. They don't have the character and life the older version had.
I know it's only remotely related, but the latest trailer for Star Wars: TOR illuminates these points beautifully (or not, considering what the point is): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3EywHA-8w
Sure it gets your blood running and your heart pumping, but if you ask me, this is NOT Star Wars.
I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
That's more or less what I was saying in the post you quoted. :laugh:
Oh yeah. :lol
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And another thing I just thought of: as sci-fi/fantasy goes, the Originals feel so much more real and way more believable than the Prequels. You take a typical planet introduced in the Prequels, say Coruscant, and it looks nice and the future looks really great and all, but given the reality of the human experience you know on a pretty basic level that it is just fantasy.
So there's a typical Prequel planet:
(https://www.awn.com/files/imagepicker/1/church09_AlderaanBalconySta.jpg)
(I think this image is actually taken from concept art)
Now let's take Tatooine from the Original trilogy:
(https://nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tattoine.jpg)
Now that looks like a real-world setting. Hell, there probably are places on Earth already that look an awful lot like that (twin suns notwithstanding :P). This looks like a world you can imagine putting yourself into. I can't say the same for Naboo or Kamino.
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I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
Sooo...there's no emotion?... no conflict? In the duels between Anakin and Obi-Wan? Or Palpatine and Yoda? I agree that sometimes less is more, but these duels are well built up too.
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I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
Sooo...there's no emotion?... no conflict? In the duels between Anakin and Obi-Wan? Or Palpatine and Yoda? I agree that sometimes less is more, but these duels are well built up too.
In the former some, in the latter...not so much.
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I really hate to say it and now I'm going to sound like a bitching nanny, but again, I don't see anything in this clip that isn't already a problem from the prequels. A bunch of jedis and sith dancing around and saberfighting is great. Without conflict and emotion and an understanding that these are real people turns the scene into a vacuous fight scene. Compare it the Neo vs Agent Smith scene in The Matrix which is MUCH better and more emotionally charged. This looks great and is fun the watch, but I got bored and disconnected. This was the biggest issue with the prequels. Actually a MUCH better comparison is the fight in Empire between Luke and Vadar. Sometimes less is more.
Sooo...there's no emotion?... no conflict? In the duels between Anakin and Obi-Wan? Or Palpatine and Yoda? I agree that sometimes less is more, but these duels are well built up too.
Compare the fight scene between Obi wan and Anakin to Luke and Vadar. Compare the emotion, the character, the energy, the conflict. Luke doesn't want to fight Vader. He knows if he fights him, it's a fight to the death. Either he will die or Vader will die. Luke does not want to kill his Father but Luke also doesn't want to die which is why he starts to think of Leia. When Vader starts to provoke Luke, Luke loses his temper and throws caution to the wind. He unleashes his full fury onto his dad and came VERY close to killing him. He stopped and realized that he filled with this hate his father has. He is reckless. But he's also very powerful. So the idea of turning to the dark side intriqued him. You can see it in his eyes that for one split second he considered it. But his anger disappated and the Jedi training kicked in and he repressed his anger standing up to the Sith Code. It was two minutes of screen time but it's definitely the single most exciting part of the whole movie and easily the greatest lightsaber battle ever. With Obi wan and Anakin there was no such conflict. Obi Wan never battled with hisself in knowing he had to kill Anakin. Anakin never battled against the dark side. It was lifeless and followed a straightline. No one grew, matured or learned anything from the experience unlike Vader who learned from Luke to repress his hate and start to love and Luke to came very close to converting. The Yoda duel was the same. Nothing was learned, gained, experenced or matured from the fight. It just happened and was forgotten soon afterwards.
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I agree with your assesment of the Luke/Vader dynamic. It is POWERFUL!!!! . I have to disagree with the prequel asessments. I think The emotion and pain that Obi-wan is quite evident, also...the sheer rage demonstrated by Anakin, fighting recklessly (destroying the shielding console) At the end of the duel...Anakin so in a rage, ignoring the fact that he has the lower ground and clear disadvantage... but blindly raging on to his demise. Same with the Yoda/Palpatine.... the duel is saturated with emotion, Palpatines lust to wield the dark side energy. Yoda, actually showing anger, letting his emotions loose.....which is a rare thing to see from a Jedi Master. The only duel that I thought fell kinda into your discription is the Anakin/Dooku duel. That one felt blah and lifeless to me.
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Was there personal growth? Not sure, you might be right in that respect, have to give it some thought.
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I have a feeling destroying the shielding thing was a convenient way for Lucas to shove in more CGI and acrobatics. :lol I do agree that the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight was the best of the prequels (cue that .gif) because there was more going on. Yoda vs. Palpatine...not so much. Pretty boring, tbh. Bottom line is, the saber fights in V and VI destroy everything else.
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I agree with your assesment of the Luke/Vader dynamic. It is POWERFUL!!!! . I have to disagree with the prequel asessments. I think The emotion and pain that Obi-wan is quite evident, also...the sheer rage demonstrated by Anakin, fighting recklessly (destroying the shielding console) At the end of the duel...Anakin so in a rage, ignoring the fact that he has the lower ground and clear disadvantage... but blindly raging on to his demise. Same with the Yoda/Palpatine.... the duel is saturated with emotion, Palpatines lust to wield the dark side energy. Yoda, actually showing anger, letting his emotions loose.....which is a rare thing to see from a Jedi Master. The only duel that I thought fell kinda into your discription is the Anakin/Dooku duel. That one felt blah and lifeless to me.
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Was there personal growth? Not sure, you might be right in that respect, have to give it some thought.
Just watched it a couple of days ago, and I agree with you about Anakin/Obi wan, but disagree completely with Yoda and Palpatine. There was no life there; just random attacking.
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I have a feeling destroying the shielding thing was a convenient way for Lucas to shove in more CGI and acrobatics. :lol I do agree that the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight was the best of the prequels (cue that .gif) because there was more going on. Yoda vs. Palpatine...not so much. Pretty boring, tbh. Bottom line is, the saber fights in V and VI destroy everything else.
I agree that it was the best lightsaber fight in the Prequel trilogy, but more from a sense of that was pretty much the best the prequels have to offer and it wasn't much, than anything else.
I agree with your assesment of the Luke/Vader dynamic. It is POWERFUL!!!! . I have to disagree with the prequel asessments. I think The emotion and pain that Obi-wan is quite evident, also...the sheer rage demonstrated by Anakin, fighting recklessly (destroying the shielding console) At the end of the duel...Anakin so in a rage, ignoring the fact that he has the lower ground and clear disadvantage... but blindly raging on to his demise. Same with the Yoda/Palpatine.... the duel is saturated with emotion, Palpatines lust to wield the dark side energy. Yoda, actually showing anger, letting his emotions loose.....which is a rare thing to see from a Jedi Master. The only duel that I thought fell kinda into your discription is the Anakin/Dooku duel. That one felt blah and lifeless to me.
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Was there personal growth? Not sure, you might be right in that respect, have to give it some thought.
Just watched it a couple of days ago, and I agree with you about Anakin/Obi wan, but disagree completely with Yoda and Palpatine. There was no life there; just random attacking.
This, for the most part.
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I just don't see the emotion unfortunately in the Obi Wan scene. I won't say there isn't any, but a scene becomes more when the actor projects the emotion to the audience and makes it his own. That happened in the Luke and Vader fight scene. Mark really nailed it. I mean I felt for him. Truely and deeply. That never happened it the prequels. Ever. I never felt for Anakin. Not once. Neither for Obi Wan. Not once. It made the final scene more of a recipe than a true acting experience. All I got out of it was a bunch of frowns, facial gestures and lines, none of which had anything but what was on the surface. When you see an actor genuinely act and "be" the character it's a thrill. Look no further than Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York or Kevin Spacey from American Beauty. I'm not saying Star Wars should be acting exactly Lewis or Spacey but Mark Hamill did do what any actor should be going when acting, and that's emoting. I never got that from any of the prequels. Not once. Not ever. I won't fault the actors for that though, I fault Lucas. To him Star Wars is just a bunch of lines, special effects and fight scenes. To Kasdan and Marquid it was a lot more. A LOT more.
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What you're saying is one of the sneakiest arguments in favor of the prequels that doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it. No one takes the prequels seriously, so then if you say the original trilogy shouldn't be taken seriously either, then it's okay to hold both in the same regard.
Obviously it's all subjective. If none of what are widely agreed to be the flaws of the prequels are flaws to you, then great, awesome, enjoy. If none of what are widely agreed to be the strengths of the original trilogy are strengths to you, then that's also fine.
But there's no way you can say the OT and prequels are quantitatively comparable in any meaningful way. They're vastly different movies, which is why most people see them so differently.
Interesting contradictions here.
Sure it's popular to keep pretending that a flanneled guy ruined our lives by making some movies not everybody liked 12 years ago, but a lot of people claim to have some magical panacea that would make them great in the eyes of all. It's like reading an IMDB forum, everyone's an expert.
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I don't think anyone here is going to argue with the idea that a person should not "enjoy" these movies. I "love" Howard the Duck even though it's an awful movie. The experience of the movie in no way has to reflect the material of the movie. I think the new Star Trek movie is a great example or even Avatar. I loved watching both movies and had a great time even though both movies have a rather abysmal screenplay attached to them. Again, the experience was separate from the material. This can be the case for the prequels, but I find it very hard to accept, nor can I after all the picking apart I have done, to call the prequels well written, well acted and well directed. I have talked to quite a few people on this movie and have seen quite a few reviews and examinations and most of the time everything comes down to the following areas
1) Yoda: In the OT Yoda was a theologian and philosopher. A very wise, very experienced and very powerful figure in the Star Wars universe, not because he was jumping around with a lightsaber, but because the character itself. In Empire Yoda gives a riveting speech on the Force that I use to this day to describe it. It's practically a homily on how the Force is there to help you, but you have to have faith in the Force, not in your skills as a Jedi, but in the Force itself as if the Force is beyond human comprehension but we allow ourselves to look past human logic and believe elements of the Force that are simply impossible for a human to understand; it can help us achieve the impossible. I'll get into more of this later. Yoda's character was intriguing, yet awestriking. Very much like a wise monk with an answer to any trouble that life throws at you. In the Prequels this is not the Yoda we see. Here Yoda fights. And he fights. And he says a few lines of wisdom but never anything that comes close to the one scene in Empire and his homily on the Force. Many times people point to the lines where Yoda says "Hate leads to anger..." as Yoda being philosophical again but these lines are pretty superficial. Anyone could have said that line, Obi Wan, Mace, any of the Jedi's on the council. Yoda saying them was Lucas's attempt to show us, "oh, he's wise too!". Sorry Lucas, but no one is buying it this time.
2) The Force: Like I said above, the Force in the OT was a spiritual essence and being, not a physical or material essence. It was painted as something that anyone could potentially tap but some were more drawn to it than others, kind of like some are drawn to be priests. They have a tendency towards the force that makes them more open to it. Han presented the agnostic side but Luke responded to it as if Han "could" believe in it, although tapping into it was never discussed. Another thing discussed in the OT was the dualistic approach to the Force. The Jedi's believed in order and discipline of the mind and that the Force was there if you purified the body so that it can be received in its fullest. The Sith believed in passion and emotion as a channeling power to the Force and that only through the more powerful emotional appetites does the human body access this essence. The evil of the Sith was presented as an effect of their tapping into this hate and wrath constantly. But Luke reminded Vader how to love again as if the person behind the evil, this Sith was once an innocent being that once felt love or compassion during his life. In the Prequels the Sith are not like this. There is no humanity behind the mask (although Palpatine never once showed positive emotion in the OT either) and worse off the Force was degraded to a physical reality, not a spiritual reality. A good powerful Jedi was not measured by their faith or wisdom, but by the number of midiclorians in their system. This would be like comparing two Christians and saying one of them is a better Christian because they have type B+ blood. The Prequels eject the wisdom of the force and replace it with choreography and numbers.
3) The Characters: This is easy. Watch Red Letter Media's review on The Phantom Menace and he performs an experiment. It's enough to prove the characters in the OT were 3 dimensional and the prequels characters were 2 dimensional, most of the time 1 dimensional, always acting towards a straight line and never wavering from it, but even worse not even showing life, simply just saying their lines. Nothing more needs to be said on it as Plinket said it the best by simply showing us the experiment.
Lucas DID ruin the Star Wars universe by throwing out the original idea of the Force, by ejecting the idea that characters can be 3 dimensional, something that has NEVER appeared since the curtain closed on Return of the Jedi and by taking character's we once knew and creating a brain dead origin story for them. Obi Wan went from a wise old hermit to some guy who fought in the Clone Wars. Anakin went from a dark soul who once loved but is consumed with hate to a whiny brat of a kid that complained all the time, the love story forced into the picture. Yoda was a wise, awestriking figure and was turned into the Jackie Chan of Jedis. Palpatine was a figure filled with so much hate and anger you kinda wondered how someone could fall so far and then you learned, oh.. it just happened. I'm a conniving political figure. *snap* now I am a raging, hate-filled dark figure. An article was released a while ago from Lucas's producing partner on the OT who in so many words stated that he left after making Empire because he wanted to make a movie while Lucas wanted to make money. This explains everything.
the OT represents a Star Wars that works. Everything is interesting and you want to delve more into this universe. With the Prequels the minute the curtain closed I forgot everything. I had no interest in pursuing any of the characters because I really didn't meet any characters. I didn't really care for anyone or want to explore anyone. Imagine reading the first Harry Potter book but start with Hagrid finding Harry, Harry entering school, show only the scenes that discuss the plot about the philosopher stone and jump right off the bat into the end, throwing out any form of characterization that moved the character's forward, not the plot. in the Prequels the plot was the only thing moving forward, the characters simply came along for the ride. In the OT, character's WERE the prime mover of the plot.
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Excellent post. Agreed 100%.
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I wouldn't say that the characters in the OT were 3-d (not that I think they needed to be; the type of movie didn't really require it), but the characters in the prequels were just so embarrassingly vessels for dialogue.
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*Awesome post*
Brilliant. Exactly what I've been trying to say in brief (minus the specific examples). :clap:
I think the issue is people who like the Prequels don't really care about characterization, which is what I find sorta sad and frightening. I think people who prefer the Prequels probably watch them for the plot, and I think this shows in a lot of cinema outside of Star Wars. I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters. It would really be a shame if cinema lost that ability, to make its cast come alive on the screen, and not just as actors reading their lines. Problem is I don't think many people these days really appreciate actors who are able to do that, or movies that try to.
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*Awesome post*
Brilliant. Exactly what I've been trying to say in brief (minus the specific examples). :clap:
I think the issue is people who like the Prequels don't really care about characterization, which is what I find sorta sad and frightening. I think people who prefer the Prequels probably watch them for the plot, and I think this shows in a lot of cinema outside of Star Wars. I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters. It would really be a shame if cinema lost that ability, to make its cast come alive on the screen, and not just as actors reading their lines. Problem is I don't think many people these days really appreciate actors who are able to do that, or movies that try to.
Do those people exist? Scary. Then again, I enjoy the prequels, but in a completely different way than I enjoy the OT.
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I don't think anyone here is going to argue with the idea that a person should not "enjoy" these movies. I "love" Howard the Duck even though it's an awful movie. The experience of the movie in no way has to reflect the material of the movie. I think the new Star Trek movie is a great example or even Avatar. I loved watching both movies and had a great time even though both movies have a rather abysmal screenplay attached to them. Again, the experience was separate from the material. This can be the case for the prequels, but I find it very hard to accept, nor can I after all the picking apart I have done, to call the prequels well written, well acted and well directed. I have talked to quite a few people on this movie and have seen quite a few reviews and examinations and most of the time everything comes down to the following areas
1) Yoda: In the OT Yoda was a theologian and philosopher. A very wise, very experienced and very powerful figure in the Star Wars universe, not because he was jumping around with a lightsaber, but because the character itself. In Empire Yoda gives a riveting speech on the Force that I use to this day to describe it. It's practically a homily on how the Force is there to help you, but you have to have faith in the Force, not in your skills as a Jedi, but in the Force itself as if the Force is beyond human comprehension but we allow ourselves to look past human logic and believe elements of the Force that are simply impossible for a human to understand; it can help us achieve the impossible. I'll get into more of this later. Yoda's character was intriguing, yet awestriking. Very much like a wise monk with an answer to any trouble that life throws at you. In the Prequels this is not the Yoda we see. Here Yoda fights. And he fights. And he says a few lines of wisdom but never anything that comes close to the one scene in Empire and his homily on the Force. Many times people point to the lines where Yoda says "Hate leads to anger..." as Yoda being philosophical again but these lines are pretty superficial. Anyone could have said that line, Obi Wan, Mace, any of the Jedi's on the council. Yoda saying them was Lucas's attempt to show us, "oh, he's wise too!". Sorry Lucas, but no one is buying it this time.
2) The Force: Like I said above, the Force in the OT was a spiritual essence and being, not a physical or material essence. It was painted as something that anyone could potentially tap but some were more drawn to it than others, kind of like some are drawn to be priests. They have a tendency towards the force that makes them more open to it. Han presented the agnostic side but Luke responded to it as if Han "could" believe in it, although tapping into it was never discussed. Another thing discussed in the OT was the dualistic approach to the Force. The Jedi's believed in order and discipline of the mind and that the Force was there if you purified the body so that it can be received in its fullest. The Sith believed in passion and emotion as a channeling power to the Force and that only through the more powerful emotional appetites does the human body access this essence. The evil of the Sith was presented as an effect of their tapping into this hate and wrath constantly. But Luke reminded Vader how to love again as if the person behind the evil, this Sith was once an innocent being that once felt love or compassion during his life. In the Prequels the Sith are not like this. There is no humanity behind the mask (although Palpatine never once showed positive emotion in the OT either) and worse off the Force was degraded to a physical reality, not a spiritual reality. A good powerful Jedi was not measured by their faith or wisdom, but by the number of midiclorians in their system. This would be like comparing two Christians and saying one of them is a better Christian because they have type B+ blood. The Prequels eject the wisdom of the force and replace it with choreography and numbers.
3) The Characters: This is easy. Watch Red Letter Media's review on The Phantom Menace and he performs an experiment. It's enough to prove the characters in the OT were 3 dimensional and the prequels characters were 2 dimensional, most of the time 1 dimensional, always acting towards a straight line and never wavering from it, but even worse not even showing life, simply just saying their lines. Nothing more needs to be said on it as Plinket said it the best by simply showing us the experiment.
Lucas DID ruin the Star Wars universe by throwing out the original idea of the Force, by ejecting the idea that characters can be 3 dimensional, something that has NEVER appeared since the curtain closed on Return of the Jedi and by taking character's we once knew and creating a brain dead origin story for them. Obi Wan went from a wise old hermit to some guy who fought in the Clone Wars. Anakin went from a dark soul who once loved but is consumed with hate to a whiny brat of a kid that complained all the time, the love story forced into the picture. Yoda was a wise, awestriking figure and was turned into the Jackie Chan of Jedis. Palpatine was a figure filled with so much hate and anger you kinda wondered how someone could fall so far and then you learned, oh.. it just happened. I'm a conniving political figure. *snap* now I am a raging, hate-filled dark figure. An article was released a while ago from Lucas's producing partner on the OT who in so many words stated that he left after making Empire because he wanted to make a movie while Lucas wanted to make money. This explains everything.
the OT represents a Star Wars that works. Everything is interesting and you want to delve more into this universe. With the Prequels the minute the curtain closed I forgot everything. I had no interest in pursuing any of the characters because I really didn't meet any characters. I didn't really care for anyone or want to explore anyone. Imagine reading the first Harry Potter book but start with Hagrid finding Harry, Harry entering school, show only the scenes that discuss the plot about the philosopher stone and jump right off the bat into the end, throwing out any form of characterization that moved the character's forward, not the plot. in the Prequels the plot was the only thing moving forward, the characters simply came along for the ride. In the OT, character's WERE the prime mover of the plot.
As far as Yoda goes, that was kinda the point. He, as well as the rest of the Jedi of the prequel era, were insanely flawed. His character had to change, and I know this is greatly diminished with the absence of the Qui-Gon scene in Revenge of the Sith (here's hoping it's on the blu-ray, it spelled everything perfectly), but it is still there to some degree. The way Yoda was in the prequels was wrong, and if he would have been his original trilogy self from the get-go, the jedi arguably would have never fallen.
The force is always an interesting topic. The grave misunderstanding of midi-chlorians is that they are the force, when they are not. They are merely a means of identifying potential. And on top of that, Lucas always wanted both a religious and scientific reason for the force's existence, but didn't really have a place to get into it in the original trilogy (midi-chlorians date back to Lucas' notes in 1974). On top of that, I think there was an overly extreme negative reaction to them. Water is still the basis of all human life even if you find out it's made up of hydrogen and oxygen, this does not subtract from what it is or what it does.
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Brilliant. Exactly what I've been trying to say in brief (minus the specific examples). :clap:
I think the issue is people who like the Prequels don't really care about characterization, which is what I find sorta sad and frightening. I think people who prefer the Prequels probably watch them for the plot, and I think this shows in a lot of cinema outside of Star Wars. I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters. It would really be a shame if cinema lost that ability, to make its cast come alive on the screen, and not just as actors reading their lines. Problem is I don't think many people these days really appreciate actors who are able to do that, or movies that try to.
Do those people exist? Scary. Then again, I enjoy the prequels, but in a completely different way than I enjoy the OT.
That's the fairest way to put it I think. But yes, from everything I've seen, those young enough to have watched them in numerical order very much prefer the prequels (so far).
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Brilliant. Exactly what I've been trying to say in brief (minus the specific examples). :clap:
I think the issue is people who like the Prequels don't really care about characterization, which is what I find sorta sad and frightening. I think people who prefer the Prequels probably watch them for the plot, and I think this shows in a lot of cinema outside of Star Wars. I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters. It would really be a shame if cinema lost that ability, to make its cast come alive on the screen, and not just as actors reading their lines. Problem is I don't think many people these days really appreciate actors who are able to do that, or movies that try to.
Do those people exist? Scary. Then again, I enjoy the prequels, but in a completely different way than I enjoy the OT.
Two words: my brother. Not only does he love the Prequels, but as mentioned above, he wants Lucas to go back with the lessons from the PT and change the Original trilogy to more closely resemble the prequels. He's even said that he'd like to see the lightsaber fights CGI'd! :barf:
Also, I'm interested in that latter statement. I guess I don't know what you mean by saying that you enjoy the PT in a different way.
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I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters.
I know what you're trying to say but using an example that has about as bad characterization as the prequels. I don't think there was a single memorable character change in that movie that wasn't typical of the rehashed story arc.
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Two words: my brother. Not only does he love the Prequels, but as mentioned above, he wants Lucas to go back with the lessons from the PT and change the Original trilogy to more closely resemble the prequels. He's even said that he'd like to see the lightsaber fights CGI'd! :barf:
Also, I'm interested in that latter statement. I guess I don't know what you mean by saying that you enjoy the PT in a different way.
That's interesting. How old's your brother?
As far as the PT . . . there's just been so many jokes, holes, bad acting, CG and the like spread throughout, I almost feel like it's some big inside joke spanning 6 hours. I enjoy the PT, sure, but at this point it's more along the lines of a MST3K kind of way. Then again, it's been years since I've watched any of the SW flicks. I'll be curious to sit down come September when the series hits Blu, and re-watch 'em.
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Two words: my brother. Not only does he love the Prequels, but as mentioned above, he wants Lucas to go back with the lessons from the PT and change the Original trilogy to more closely resemble the prequels. He's even said that he'd like to see the lightsaber fights CGI'd! :barf:
Also, I'm interested in that latter statement. I guess I don't know what you mean by saying that you enjoy the PT in a different way.
That's interesting. How old's your brother?
As far as the PT . . . there's just been so many jokes, holes, bad acting, CG and the like spread throughout, I almost feel like it's some big inside joke spanning 6 hours. I enjoy the PT, sure, but at this point it's more along the lines of a MST3K kind of way. Then again, it's been years since I've watched any of the SW flicks. I'll be curious to sit down come September when the series hits Blu, and re-watch 'em.
He's 18.
I just hope that this trend doesn't continue; what makes Avatar so compelling (as you said, the writing isn't exactly bulletproof) is the evolution of the characters, especially the human characters.
I know what you're trying to say but using an example that has about as bad characterization as the prequels. I don't think there was a single memorable character change in that movie that wasn't typical of the rehashed story arc.
I respectfully disagree. :)
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So.... the Star Wars blurays come out in less than a month. I still haven't made up my mind if I want to get them or not.
Are these the 1997 Special Editions, or 2004 editions, or a mix of the two? And are they the theatrical versions (if the 97 SE)? What are the downfalls of this set?
I really want to own Star Wars, but it could be another 6-7 years before these are re-released again...
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So.... the Star Wars blurays come out in less than a month. I still haven't made up my mind if I want to get them or not.
Are these the 1997 Special Editions, or 2004 editions, or a mix of the two? And are they the theatrical versions (if the 97 SE)? What are the downfalls of this set?
I really want to own Star Wars, but it could be another 6-7 years before these are re-released again...
As far as I know, it's the 2004 edition. Sucks, but what can ya do? Lucas obviously doesn't consider the originals to be important enough to release anymore.
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So.... the Star Wars blurays come out in less than a month. I still haven't made up my mind if I want to get them or not.
Are these the 1997 Special Editions, or 2004 editions, or a mix of the two? And are they the theatrical versions (if the 97 SE)? What are the downfalls of this set?
I really want to own Star Wars, but it could be another 6-7 years before these are re-released again...
As far as I know, it's the 2004 edition. Sucks, but what can ya do? Lucas obviously doesn't consider the originals to be important enough to release anymore.
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That really sucks. I originally thought I read it was the 1997 SE, which I was kind of excited about since those were the first versions I saw in theaters. If they are actually going to be the 2004 editions, I don't know if I'm willing to put down that much for them. :-\
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There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut", it'll be the "final cut". The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie.
I've got two problems with this. For one, this will now be the fifth version of the OT. I have no reason to think that it'll be the last. The bigger deal is that he's trying quite hard to eradicate the original version from existence; kind of like Annorax. Since a pretty big chunk of the population would rather see the originals than the cartoonish new releases, that's kind of a shitty stance to take. It seems to me that he's trying quite hard to etch his name into the future, like Mozart or Shakespeare, but what he's accomplishing is to insure that people 200 years from now all remember him as the purveyor of shitty films. He'll be Ed Wood while Spielberg will be, well, Spielberg.
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Aside from being Blu Ray, I don't think this version is any different than the last version.
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As far as I know, it's the 2004 edition. Sucks, but what can ya do?
Not buy it.
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As far as I know, it's the 2004 edition. Sucks, but what can ya do?
Not buy it.
Fair enough, I will. I'm more of a Star Trek guy anyway, so 80% of the changes don't bother me. I can use the Jabba's palace scene to take a dump or something, which is pretty much what the scene is now anyway.
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I enjoyed the OT, but honestly I don't think I really have any urge to see them again. The fact that any version I bought would be inferior to the versions I originally saw doesn't help things.
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I love Star Wars, so chances are I still am going to buy it, but it irks me to no end that we're getting inferior versions. I would have been fine with either the original theatrical versions or the 1997 SEs, but the 2004 version holds no nostalgia value to me, and many of the changes are highly unnecessary imo.
But all the same, it's been so long since I've seen the movies. I have two copies of the 97 SE on VHS and the 2004 versions on DVD... but they are all full screen I think. :P Now that I have a nice entertainment system, I'm dying to watch the films in high quality widescreen/6.1 surround. The special features should be cool as well.
...But still, with branching technology, I just wish they would have included the original versions.
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Took me a minute to realize why Barto was quoting a post someone made in 1997 :lol
The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work.
What? Of course there are drafts of books, but they don’t get published. Tolkein isn’t publish subsequent versions of LotR. Yes, films are ripped out of the director’s hands due to the studio’s release schedule, but this has been going on since forever. And exists in the literary and musical world as well. No, art shouldn’t work that way, but it does. Complaining about it is annoying.
The bigger deal is that he's trying quite hard to eradicate the original version from existence; kind of like Annorax. Since a pretty big chunk of the population would rather see the originals than the cartoonish new releases, that's kind of a shitty stance to take. It seems to me that he's trying quite hard to etch his name into the future, like Mozart or Shakespeare, but what he's accomplishing is to insure that people 200 years from now all remember him as the purveyor of shitty films. He'll be Ed Wood while Spielberg will be, well, Spielberg.
Spielberg always has projects to work on and strives to make better films and work on different projects. I don’t think Lucas is that concerned with his future legacy. He just realizes he has one crowning achievement (though AG could be considered his best film in some arguments) and finds it easier to make that his life’s work than work on other projects.
I had no issues with the 1997 SEs. I was too young to remember seeing 4-6 in the theater, though I grew up with them on VHS, and all the toys and other merch. I was so pumped to see them on the big screen, and was able to view them as ‘special editions’ ie. a new version of the original films, not an eventual replacement. I only have eps 2 and 3 on DVD (received as gifts). If each film was available separately, I’d consider getting 4 and 5. But otherwise am not interested in the BR releases.
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I think of it like this - I'm always down for a remix/remaster of a CD if it's done well. For example, the remasters of Boston's music were done exquisitely well and have obsoleted the originals in my mind. If Lucas would take the original film and do a remix/remaster of the sound and video I'd be thrilled. I don't need to see ridiculously thick composite lines around Luke's land speeder when he's riding through Mos Eisley.
If you're going to make the special editions, fine. I actually really like what they did with the Yavin fight. And I think they fixed some of the bad lightsaber effects in the Kenobi/Vader fight. But why can't Lucas spend his billions of dollars to make sure the original movie is out there in pristine quality? It's not like he won't profit from it.
It's basically the South Park thing. Copyright laws aside, once you release a movie it's part of the public consciousness. It's not longer your place to control that, only to be a good steward of the people's experience.
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The blurays won't exactly be the 2004 versions reissued. They are new 2011 bluray versions. There will be some new changes.
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It's Lucas' hatred of the original versions that is so annoying. Fine, screw around with them as much as you want, but still let people who love the unaltered versions have quality copies of them. Erasing movie history is just weird. Those movies were classic for a reason.
I do like some of the changes, but others are just horrendous.
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It's Lucas' hatred of the original versions that is so annoying. Fine, screw around with them as much as you want, but still let people who love the unaltered versions have quality copies of them. Erasing movie history is just weird. Those movies were classic for a reason.
I do like some of the changes, but others are just horrendous.
This. Although I won't complain about the deleted scenes that are coming with this release.
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https://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html
I read that whole thing and then ordered the box set. Looks like they really took their time with it, which is good; from what I've read other Lucas Blu-rays like THX-1138 and American Graffiti haven't been all that good.
Unrelated to SW, I found this line from that article interesting: He added an interesting follow-up to that, revealing that a lot of big-name Hollywood actors had themselves digitally-scanned about ten years ago, thinking that by doing so, they could continue appearing in films looking young even as they aged... but that nothing has really come of it yet because the technology just isn't there yet. Fascinating. Could lead to some interesting things in a few decades.
Finally, GL has been nothing but consistent that the original versions of the OT were not his original vision. I can't fault him for changing stuff until he says "This is the final version." and then changes more stuff after that.
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An enjoyable little bit from Top Gear a while back with Ewan McGregor talking about the prequels;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprYaqOEAoA
It's near the start.
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Finally, GL has been nothing but consistent that the original versions of the OT were not his original vision. I can't fault him for changing stuff until he says "This is the final version." and then changes more stuff after that.
How come he's one of the only directors who has to keep meddling with his work over and over again? You can't keep adding CGI and tweaking things to make movies from 1977-1983 feel like movies from 2011. They are of their era, are historically important, and are loved in their original form. There's a charm to the old puppets and models and matte paintings that's lost when it's replaced by CGI, especially when the CGI is bad like in the Jabba's Palace musical number from hell. If he thinks the OT isn't flashy enough, maybe he should have made the prequels less cartoonish so they would fit better instead of making the OT fit with the prequels.
It's kind of funny that movies he wasn't satisfied with became huge classics. If they had come out closer to his "vision", they wouldn't be as well-liked. Stuff like the Jabba scene in ANH is just superfluous.
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I still like how, back in '88, Lucas was one of the people leading the charge against colorization of old films, with his reasoning basically being that you shouldn't go revising the past. Oh the irony. He went on in a statement he made at the time about how it could lead to things like swapping out old actors with new ones, or changing lines and altering the actor's mouths to match. These were things he cited as bad at the time.
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I still like how, back in '88, Lucas was one of the people leading the charge against colorization of old films, with his reasoning basically being that you shouldn't go revising the past. Oh the irony. He went on in a statement he made at the time about how it could lead to things like swapping out old actors with new ones, or changing lines and altering the actor's mouths to match. These were things he cited as bad at the time.
Yes, then he discovered money.
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You know, going off of what I've seen of his personality, the money motive just doesn't work for me. I think a much better explanation is what someone brought up earlier. It's like he knows Star Wars is his only claim to fame, so he's going to keep changing things and making things newer to stay relevant as long as possible. it's not about the money, it's about the fame.
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Finally, GL has been nothing but consistent that the original versions of the OT were not his original vision. I can't fault him for changing stuff until he says "This is the final version." and then changes more stuff after that.
How come he's one of the only directors who has to keep meddling with his work over and over again? You can't keep adding CGI and tweaking things to make movies from 1977-1983 feel like movies from 2011. They are of their era, are historically important, and are loved in their original form. There's a charm to the old puppets and models and matte paintings that's lost when it's replaced by CGI, especially when the CGI is bad like in the Jabba's Palace musical number from hell. If he thinks the OT isn't flashy enough, maybe he should have made the prequels less cartoonish so they would fit better instead of making the OT fit with the prequels.
It's kind of funny that movies he wasn't satisfied with became huge classics. If they had come out closer to his "vision", they wouldn't be as well-liked. Stuff like the Jabba scene in ANH is just superfluous.
To quote the man himself, "I'm sorry you fell in love with half a movie". There are a lot of complaints about touch ups and things like that, and some of my more traditional friends from film school call it "fucking cheating". However, I've come to the conclusion that that is only said because it hasn't been done before, at least not on that scale. Plus, putting it in context, literally everything about a movie is cheating. Spend a day on a film set and you'll hear the word "cheat" a hundred times. Cheat left, cheat right, replace that line in ADR, beef that up with SFX, do 8 takes from this angle, then 8 from that angle, color this in post, etc. Surely it's unprecedented and not always warmly welcomed but I honestly stopped caring. If people need to bitch, I'll let them, but I'll be busy enjoying the box set which is looking better every day.
I found this to be a very good read, if you scroll down to the article titled "Providence": https://acertainpointofview.net/
You know, going off of what I've seen of his personality, the money motive just doesn't work for me. I think a much better explanation is what someone brought up earlier. It's like he knows Star Wars is his only claim to fame, so he's going to keep changing things and making things newer to stay relevant as long as possible. it's not about the money, it's about the fame.
This simply isn't true.
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If you need a reason to believe Lucas is in it for the money, simply look at the DVD/blu ray releases. Intentionally holding off now so he can make a quick buck a couple years down the road.
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But don't you think, he already would have a crap load of money? I feel it's more about him trying to stay relevant.
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Finally, GL has been nothing but consistent that the original versions of the OT were not his original vision. I can't fault him for changing stuff until he says "This is the final version." and then changes more stuff after that.
How come he's one of the only directors who has to keep meddling with his work over and over again? You can't keep adding CGI and tweaking things to make movies from 1977-1983 feel like movies from 2011. They are of their era, are historically important, and are loved in their original form. There's a charm to the old puppets and models and matte paintings that's lost when it's replaced by CGI, especially when the CGI is bad like in the Jabba's Palace musical number from hell. If he thinks the OT isn't flashy enough, maybe he should have made the prequels less cartoonish so they would fit better instead of making the OT fit with the prequels.
It's kind of funny that movies he wasn't satisfied with became huge classics. If they had come out closer to his "vision", they wouldn't be as well-liked. Stuff like the Jabba scene in ANH is just superfluous.
I think a lot of people would agree with you, but GL has the ability to change them and does not give a fuck. Honestly, I think it's that simple. You don't want 'em, then don't buy them.
I would honestly bet that if this '2011 Blu-ray version' does not turn out to be George's final vision and not one person bought a single copy, he would release them again with new updates in a few years.
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As I said, I don't care if he changes a bunch of things, but I do want the originals or at least the 1997 versions (pre-Hayden in ROTJ...ugh) in good quality. I didn't buy those 2006 DVDs with the unaltered original trilogy, but I heard a bunch of bad things about their quality. I'll probably end up getting those sometime just because my old VHS copies can only last so long and I'm a sucker. I just don't want some of the things I loved about the movies as a child to disappear forever.
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As I said, I don't care if he changes a bunch of things, but I do want the originals or at least the 1997 versions (pre-Hayden in ROTJ...ugh) in good quality. I didn't buy those 2006 DVDs with the unaltered original trilogy, but I heard a bunch of bad things about their quality. I'll probably end up getting those sometime just because my old VHS copies can only last so long and I'm a sucker. I just don't want some of the things I loved about the movies as a child to disappear forever.
What do you mean 'bad things about their quality'? Maybe that's why GL never wanted to release them. The only reason those originals were released was because fans complained so much he finally he broke down. That's my biggest issue with people saying he's all about the money: he knew they would make a ton and he still didn't want to release them. Finally when he does, he did it with nothing altered and 2.0 audio, etc. then people complain about 'bad quality.'
Maybe it's because I was introduced in 97, so I never saw the originals in the theater or grew up with them, that I just have no attraction to them. I bought the DVDs, but if you gave me the choice I would watch the updated ones.
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As I said, I don't care if he changes a bunch of things, but I do want the originals or at least the 1997 versions (pre-Hayden in ROTJ...ugh) in good quality. I didn't buy those 2006 DVDs with the unaltered original trilogy, but I heard a bunch of bad things about their quality. I'll probably end up getting those sometime just because my old VHS copies can only last so long and I'm a sucker. I just don't want some of the things I loved about the movies as a child to disappear forever.
What do you mean 'bad things about their quality'? Maybe that's why GL never wanted to release them. The only reason those originals were released was because fans complained so much he finally he broke down. That's my biggest issue with people saying he's all about the money: he knew they would make a ton and he still didn't want to release them. Finally when he does, he did it with nothing altered and 2.0 audio, etc. then people complain about 'bad quality.'
Maybe it's because I was introduced in 97, so I never saw the originals in the theater or grew up with them, that I just have no attraction to them. I bought the DVDs, but if you gave me the choice I would watch the updated ones.
Weren't they crappy laserdisc transfers or something? All I know is that a lot of people were pissed. Go here to find a legion of experts on this kind of thing: https://originaltrilogy.com/forum/ (https://originaltrilogy.com/forum/)
I was a fan for a long time before 1997, so our perspectives are different.
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So was I, but I think a lot of people have a "heads I win, tails you lose" mentality about Lucas and Star Wars in general.
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Finally, GL has been nothing but consistent that the original versions of the OT were not his original vision. I can't fault him for changing stuff until he says "This is the final version." and then changes more stuff after that.
There are producers and story editors for a reason. Merely the quality alone, not even counting the content, between the two eras of SW movies proves that quite true.
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You know, going off of what I've seen of his personality, the money motive just doesn't work for me. I think a much better explanation is what someone brought up earlier. It's like he knows Star Wars is his only claim to fame, so he's going to keep changing things and making things newer to stay relevant as long as possible. it's not about the money, it's about the fame.
This is why he gave up the rights to 60% of the franchise and all of his salary as long as he kept 100% of the merchandising royalties. Cue Ewoks. Cue Jar-Jar. Cue Star Wars f---ing *EVERYTHING*
Totally not in it for the money....
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"Haters gonna hate. Then haters are gonna buy the blu rays and complain some more." - Katie Lucas :lol
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Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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"Haters gonna hate. Then haters are gonna buy the blu rays and complain some more." - Katie Lucas :lol
There's no way she actually said that. :rollin
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According to a couple different sources, she tweeted it. Having trouble actually locating the original quotation though.
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Whether she said it or not, it's exactly right. The people who complain have a choice to buy or not, they know exactly what they are getting and that they know they won't like it, but they'll buy it anyway, and then they will complain.
It's like going to the store, trying on a new pair of jeans, finding they don't fit and they make you look terrible, buying them, and then complaining about the store.
Explain how that's GL's fault. DON'T FREAKING BUY IT!
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I was around when the first film came out in theaters. Saw all of them when they were originally released. I bought the OT on VHS as a box set probably around 1999 or 2000. I bought the OT again in a box set with a bonus DVD around 2005 or 2006 and the prequels individually that came in very similar packaging. Although I'm a fan, I haven't kept track through the years of which edition is which, and which ones have which changes. Can somebody point me to (or just post it) a complete list of all the editions through the years and what the changes are? That would be really cool to have.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases
Edit: The '97 special edition (which is probably the one you bought) is where he really started to change the tone of the originals, as evidenced by Han Shot First. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Shot_First)
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This is a good site too. It doesn't have everything, but it is nice to see the changes, and hear some of the audio ones.
https://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html
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Whether she said it or not, it's exactly right. The people who complain have a choice to buy or not, they know exactly what they are getting and that they know they won't like it, but they'll buy it anyway, and then they will complain.
It's like going to the store, trying on a new pair of jeans, finding they don't fit and they make you look terrible, buying them, and then complaining about the store.
Explain how that's GL's fault. DON'T FREAKING BUY IT!
Exactly. Whenever the films are released it's almost a knee jerk reaction. Am I allowed to be excited? Or do I have to be pissy and butthurt?
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Whether she said it or not, it's exactly right. The people who complain have a choice to buy or not, they know exactly what they are getting and that they know they won't like it, but they'll buy it anyway, and then they will complain.
It's like going to the store, trying on a new pair of jeans, finding they don't fit and they make you look terrible, buying them, and then complaining about the store.
Explain how that's GL's fault. DON'T FREAKING BUY IT!
Yes and no.
I most likely will be buying it. But I'm not very happy about it. I love Star Wars, and it is my favorite film series ever. My whole childhood revolved around Star Wars, and it did up until Episode III came out. At that point, I kind of stopped being an avid fan, but it still holds a special place in my heart.
I really want to experience Star Wars in high definition. It's been ages since I've watched all of the films, and now that I have a pretty nice home theater, I'm even more drawn to the idea. When they first announced the blu rays, I was extremely excited. But it simply is not meeting my expectations. ESPECIALLY knowing that there most likely will be an OT unaltered (to a degree) version released at the end of the blu-ray's life, right before the next format takes over. Reading reviews on amazon, they didn't even take the time to properly transfer the films to the highest quality possible. I guess they're just using the same transfer they used for the shitty DVD set they released a couple years back.
So, yeah. I feel I DO have a bit of a right to complain. It's not just a small section of people. I'd say most people who are buying this would have the same complaints. Not everyone cares about little alterations. Not everyone is a hardcore fan. But we are getting an inferior version of the product, in more way than one. Do I have to buy it? No. But I know the alternative is to wait another 6 or 7 years, and I don't know if I want to wait that long.
If you look at any other blu-ray releases out there, there is no reason why Lucas had to cut corners like he did with this.
EDIT - Oh, and I never bought the OT boxset they released that was supposedly unaltered. I can't remember why. I think part of it was the transfer itself was really shitty, it was really letterboxed, and maybe some other stuff.... I can't remember. :lol Lucas has a long history of just kind of ripping off the fans. He's loaded. There is no reason he can't put out a proper box set of his own films, in the highest quality possible.
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I can't remember who in the thread said it, but producers are studio boards are there for a reason. The artist is never finished because the work is never perfect (in his/her mind, at least). But to producers and studio CEOs, there sure as hell is a point where the movie is finished. We see this complaint all the time with Dream Theater, don't we? The quality of recent albums (withholding that statement for ADTOE for obvious reasons) has led to a lot of fans calling for them to bring back the influence of outside producers. I think the same ought to be true for Star Wars.
Also I too think it's weird that GL is sorta trying to "blot out" the existence of the originals. I think those who enjoy the films in their original forms should be have that option available to them and those who like the constant touch-ups should have theirs. The problem with the re-releases is that the former option isn't even given, and even when it was, people have already discussed how that turned out.
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I can't wait for George to finally go senile and digitally replace Chewbaca with Howard the Duck.
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Whether she said it or not, it's exactly right. The people who complain have a choice to buy or not, they know exactly what they are getting and that they know they won't like it, but they'll buy it anyway, and then they will complain.
It's like going to the store, trying on a new pair of jeans, finding they don't fit and they make you look terrible, buying them, and then complaining about the store.
Explain how that's GL's fault. DON'T FREAKING BUY IT!
Yes and no.
I most likely will be buying it. But I'm not very happy about it. I love Star Wars, and it is my favorite film series ever. My whole childhood revolved around Star Wars, and it did up until Episode III came out. At that point, I kind of stopped being an avid fan, but it still holds a special place in my heart.
I really want to experience Star Wars in high definition. It's been ages since I've watched all of the films, and now that I have a pretty nice home theater, I'm even more drawn to the idea. When they first announced the blu rays, I was extremely excited. But it simply is not meeting my expectations. ESPECIALLY knowing that there most likely will be an OT unaltered (to a degree) version released at the end of the blu-ray's life, right before the next format takes over. Reading reviews on amazon, they didn't even take the time to properly transfer the films to the highest quality possible. I guess they're just using the same transfer they used for the shitty DVD set they released a couple years back.
So, yeah. I feel I DO have a bit of a right to complain. It's not just a small section of people. I'd say most people who are buying this would have the same complaints. Not everyone cares about little alterations. Not everyone is a hardcore fan. But we are getting an inferior version of the product, in more way than one. Do I have to buy it? No. But I know the alternative is to wait another 6 or 7 years, and I don't know if I want to wait that long.
If you look at any other blu-ray releases out there, there is no reason why Lucas had to cut corners like he did with this.
EDIT - Oh, and I never bought the OT boxset they released that was supposedly unaltered. I can't remember why. I think part of it was the transfer itself was really shitty, it was really letterboxed, and maybe some other stuff.... I can't remember. :lol Lucas has a long history of just kind of ripping off the fans. He's loaded. There is no reason he can't put out a proper box set of his own films, in the highest quality possible.
He is, just not of the ones you want. And I'd struggle to say that MOST have the same complaints, just those that are the most vocal about it, like the almost 300 reviews of the Blu Rays on Amazon that nobody has seen yet. And that's the problem I have with that viewpoint, somebody can dislike changes or films and that really doesn't matter, but many of used it as an entitlement to their own set of facts. A lot of people like to believe that there is some consensus that everybody hates the alterations and the prequels as well, even though there isn't any evidence for it other than people who complain on the Internet.
What I find interesting is viewing the best selling blu rays on Amazon. The saga of all six films is currently at number 2 (last I checked). The original trilogy alone was at 8 and the prequel trilogy was at 27. That doesn't seem impressive on its own, but when you consider that probably damn near every person who wants the prequels also wants the originals (i.e. the saga box set), that really gives it a little perspective. Maybe some people want to collect all 3 box sets. Okay, but I doubt that's a significant percentage of the people buying it. Pair that up with the good ratings they always get on Spike, and the fact that by most measurable critic ratings, none of the films fared worse than Return of the Jedi, it really made me look at it differently. In fact, the prequels are likely more widely enjoyed than most films ever have been, going by that, which can be understandably hard to wrap your head around. And when The Phantom Menace does well in theaters next year, it'll be more of the same. Yet the "consensus" is still that Lucas is a hack and nobody thinks he's good at anything except raping childhoods.
Just my 2 cents.
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You can make the argument that Lucas is trying to perfect his work all you want, but that just brings more question as to why he isn't giving us the best transfer of the film. If he cares about perfecting his film that much, why won't he put the time and money into making sure it actually looks as good as it possibly can? It's like ripping an album to MP3, and then burning those MP3s onto a new disc and selling it.
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You can make the argument that Lucas is trying to perfect his work all you want, but that just brings more question as to why he isn't giving us the best transfer of the film. If he cares about perfecting his film that much, why won't he put the time and money into making sure it actually looks as good as it possibly can? It's like ripping an album to MP3, and then burning those MP3s onto a new disc and selling it.
I'll admit this isn't my area of expertise. But what is the best quality he could do, and what will the blu rays end up with?
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I could be wrong, but I think he's speaking metaphorically.
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I could be wrong, but I think he's speaking metaphorically.
Didn't sound like it.
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Oh, so nvm then.
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I'm not very good with all the technical terms, so I'm just gonna rip this from one of the amazon reviews:
One of the biggest issues of contention with this set, however, will be the fact there is no new HD transfer for the films except The Phantom Menace, which means that, while this will be in high-definition, they're taken from the same transfer that was used to create the terrible 2004 DVDs. This essentially means that the films will not be presented in the best quality currently available and in use by practically every film that's been released on blu-ray for the last few years.
For many people, however, that won't matter, as the films will still look great, but take a moment to learn more in-depth information about Star Wars' sordid history on video, including the reasons four of the six films were downgraded in image quality, on the site, The Secret History of Star Wars (in the article: "Saving Star Wars.")
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Judging by early reviews from Thedigitalbits.com and Hometheaterforum.com, this set will look great, and certainly better than the DVD versions. It appears that considerable work was done to make the old transfer look good (though certain problems, such as crushed blacks, will remain since they can't be fixed until a new transfer is made). The audio is a brand new 6.1 mix, which is appropriate.
From what I've gathered reading around the net, while it will still look good, it could have looked better. Most blu rays get a really high quality transfer, and I guess the one used for this, while still HD, isn't top of the line. Basically, it could have been of higher quality. Think of encoding something to 320kbs MP3 or a FLAC. And, just like the whole MP3/FLAC thing, most people won't be able to tell the difference and won't care, especially on smaller, lower quality TVs. But what it comes down to is that Star Wars didn't get the same high quality transfer that many other big title blu-ray releases get. I feel we atleast deserve that much.
I know that the psuedo-theatrical editions released had shit quality. I watched ANH at my friend's house and it looked terrible. These shouldn't be anything like that, but this isn't the first time that Lucasfilms gave us a lower quality version of the movies than what they were capable of.
Again... just what I've gathered. The set hasn't been released yet, so keep that in mind.
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Here's an interesting article regarding the types of changes they're making from the DVD versions.
https://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html (https://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html)
You can make the argument that Lucas is trying to perfect his work all you want, but that just brings more question as to why he isn't giving us the best transfer of the film. If he cares about perfecting his film that much, why won't he put the time and money into making sure it actually looks as good as it possibly can? It's like ripping an album to MP3, and then burning those MP3s onto a new disc and selling it.
I'm not sure your analogy fits. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that when they transferred from film to digital, it was done at a quality higher than that of DVD (I think it was 2k resolution). Of course, that's nowhere near the 8k that The Wizard of Oz was scanned at, but it's still high enough that it'll need to be down-scaled a bit for Blu-Ray. As far as the next HD resolution standard? That's when we're screwed.
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From the side by side pictures, it looks like the picture is coming through incredibly. The clarity and detail is stellar, and the color seems way better too, especially The Phantom Menace now that it's not so pink.
The saber color issues from the 2004 DVDs sound like they were addressed, and a video of the corrected "saber cross shot" from Return of the Jedi can be found online. Yoda is now digital in The Phantom Menace, the audio has been remastered on all films, and the humdinger glitch is gone. That's about the extent of my knowledge on what is different this time so far.
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Y'know somethin? Aside from the first TPM shot and the one of Luke training with the remote, I don't notice anything different in any of those shots.
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I didn't either on first glance. But when you read the article, it points out what was changed, and then it's pretty obvious.
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Well sure, I didn't read them and I'm not going to. I wanted to see if I could see the difference for myself. I mean, of the million and a half average schmucks who will go out and buy this thing, how many of them will have read online what the specific changes are? Are they gonna actually notice a difference or say "Same old shit?"
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Those are pretty tame comparison shots. The one's I've seen are much more obvious.
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Alright, so shouldn't they have put up the more obvious ones so people can actually see the difference?
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You'd think so, yeah :/
Let me see if I can dig up a few.
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https://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html
Again, per that article from a guy who actually saw the blu-rays and writes about them for a living, they look pretty damn good. They did not just use the same transfers as the DVDs from a few years ago, people on amazon who review a product before seeing it are idiotic.
Probably the same kind of people who connect their blu ray players to their tv with something not an HDMI cable and then say it sucks.
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Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.
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Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.
For all 6 movies?
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I'd disagree for the original three. He had fairly prominent sci-fi writers of the time editing his work IIRC.
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Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.
For all 6 movies?
Yes I should have been more clear, definitely more so for the three newest. Although the original three aren't by any means the best written movies either. It also probably doesn't help that I despise the actor for Luke Skywalker. However, like I said, I do love the story.
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https://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html
Again, per that article from a guy who actually saw the blu-rays and writes about them for a living, they look pretty damn good. They did not just use the same transfers as the DVDs from a few years ago, people on amazon who review a product before seeing it are idiotic.
Probably the same kind of people who connect their blu ray players to their tv with something not an HDMI cable and then say it sucks.
Technically they did, in that they aren't transferring from film to digital again. They're using the same digital transfer used for the DVD's as the starting point which some people (Amazon reviewers) are misinterpreting as being simply a port from DVD to Blu-Ray. Granted, I wish that when they transferred the film to digital they would have done it at a higher resolution instead of 2k, but it's still sufficient for Blu-Ray. Also, when the prequels were filmed, they only captured it at 1080P. :facepalm:
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Oh, I see.
...there are improvements in the image quality of the Prequel films on Blu-ray simply related to the improved "state of the art" of mastering from digital source material... It's accurate to say that these are probably built from the same negative scans that were done for the 2004 DVD release, at whatever resolution those were produced. (Note that I'm working to determine the exact resolution of the original digital masters of all the films...)
I don't entirely understand the whole process. My point was just that it's not the DVD file burned onto a Blu-ray disc, which is what some people appear to think.
Would the norm in 1997 or 98 have been to shoot at much higher than 1080p? I mean, I can look at a TV and know if it's HD or not (or if it's component cable or HDMI). But can you really see a difference between 1080p and 2k or 4k?
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That might have to do more on the editing end.
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All other things being equal, I don't believe there is any difference between a 2k, 4k, or 8k transfer when put on Blu-Ray, since they all need to be down-scaled.
That might have to do more on the editing end.
This.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the technical process of transferring film to digital has improved drastically since the DVD editions, so even just a 2k transfer now would probably look better, which is why I can understand fans being upset that they aren't taking this route.
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Were 2k and 4k even available back then? Might explain it.
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Were 2k and 4k even available back then? Might explain it.
Based on what little research I've done, I'm pretty sure that they did a 2k transfer.
https://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/05/star-wars.ars/
It's unclear how the film exists digitally within Lucasfilm, but Kaminski does know one thing: the scanning done in the past has become obsolete. "The 1997 SE scans were done in 2K and the 2004 Special Edition was done in 1080p, but now the standard is 8K (4 times the 1997 SE and about 7 times the quality of the 2004 SE), and the color reproduction is better too," he says.
I believe the 7 times quality is a mistaken calculation as it should be measured using the horizontal width, which is 1920 (~2k).
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Also, just something to keep in mind, only Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were shot completely in digital. Two scenes in The Phantom Menace were recorded this way. In fact, AOTC was the first full length digital movie to be released in theaters if I remember correctly, though I could be wrong.
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All other things being equal, I don't believe there is any difference between a 2k, 4k, or 8k transfer when put on Blu-Ray, since they all need to be down-scaled.
This. While there's certainly a difference if you actually have the equipment to display the higher resolutions, they'll all look basically the same when scaled down to 1080p.
Everything I've heard indicates that everything they originally shot digitally was at least 2k.
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019
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WHY
WDFJSDGFLKSDFJGSD
WHAT THE HELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY WOULD HE EVEN CHANGE THAT
with all that said, I just ordered the blu rays last night. ::)
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019
I am going to stay in denial and assume that's not true.
But if it's true, then George Lucas will be revealed as the greatest troll in movie history.
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I have the feeling that it's too bad to be true.
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God, I hope so.
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Th-that can't be real. That scene (without the no) is the greatest scene in all of Star Wars, and maybe the greatest scene IN MOVIE HISTORY. If he put that in there, he must be absolutely insane. INSANE. *sobs in the corner*
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If that video is not just someone trolling, then I'm seriously considering cancelling my preorder of the blu-rays.
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019
Holy shit that completely ruins the mood. Laughing hard.
Man, fuck Lucas. The worst part is that these are going to be considered the "definitive" editions from here on out (at least, until resolutions triple and he decides to "retouch" the series again), so our kids will only be able to see the original unmangled versions of these movies in upscaled and blurred form. Maybe we'll get a fan fix or something though.
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I'm going to save the original VHS copies I have and show my kids those.
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I cant buy into this no thing until it's 100% confirmed. Even for Lucas, this is too unreal.
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I feel like I should be surprised, but I'm not.
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I think it would be good if he used lots of CGI to change Han into that green alien thing he wanted him to be before.
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Part of me thinks that's gotta be fake. A large part of me is really hoping that part of me is right.
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Wouldn't be surprised if it is real. Would really fuck me off though... ugh..
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Canceled my order. Even if it does turn out to be a joke, better safe than sorry. I can always re-order it again if this proves to be false.
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Fuck george.
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The sad thing is, he's done so much to ruin the series that nobody can even say for certain whether this is a joke or not.
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The sad thing is, he's done so much to ruin the series that nobody can even say for certain whether this is a joke or not.
True. I could buy the Vader thing based on that he already did a Vader NOOOOOOOO which he for some unknown reason thought was a good idea. But the Obi Wan scream is just...........no, I just can't buy that one at all.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bq9wN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UKLTk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KRegR.jpg)
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:lol
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:lol
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Found a few more.
(https://i.imgur.com/MoJEz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/73CUj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mvwgn.jpg)
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:rollin
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I'm sorry but those videos are so fail George it's not even funny.
When I'm older,
I'm going to save the original VHS copies I have and show my kids those.
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Hahahahaha.
Is it sad that I'd honestly believe the ones with the Padme ghost and the burnt-up Anikan?
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Hahahahaha.
Is it sad that I'd honestly believe the ones with the Padme ghost and the burnt-up Anikan?
They are pretty likely unfortunately...
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(https://i53.tinypic.com/1zwdzt1.jpg)
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I spit out my imaginary drink. :lol
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Looks like the ROTJ "No" additions are confirmed from Lucasfilm.
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=7234
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The sad thing is, he's done so much to ruin the series that nobody can even say for certain whether this is a joke or not.
True. I could buy the Vader thing based on that he already did a Vader NOOOOOOOO which he for some unknown reason thought was a good idea. But the Obi Wan scream is just...........no, I just can't buy that one at all.
Well, buy it, cause that new krayt dragon scream is in the Sounds of Star Wars book released last year.
As for the Vader Nos, THAT is where I draw the line. Still holding out that it's not real because it's so poorly done. The clips are clearly cut from Vader's dialogue in the other films, and lines sit on top of the existing audio track instead of being part of the mix. If it's real however, I'm DONE defending Lucas. This isn't a matter of updating the look of something or "we didn't have the technology to do this back then", it's changing the most important scene in the entire series for no good reason. Everything I backed the guy on, the prequels, alterations, they all made sense to how I viewed the films as a whole. But this spits in the face of all of that. Anakin's silent inner struggle and return to redemption was the whole point of Return of the Jedi and why the prequels were even made, so why go back on that now?
Another big complaint I have, (if these leaks are true, and it appears they are) is that LFL flat out fucking lied in their press release. The saber color/timing issues went completely uncorrected except for a few shots, and the same can be said for the garbage mattes.
What's infuriating is that they clearly took a lot of time to put these together since they can do things like put a rock in front of R2 to hide behind, pu a dug in Jabba's Palace, and have ewoks blink, so why didn't they address what they flat out said they would?
edit: Well, that's that. They ought to be ashamed.
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It's official. Lucas has gone off his rocker.
And that just saved me 90 dollars. sweeet
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It's official. Lucas has gone off his rocker.
And that just saved me 90 dollars. sweeet
The only reason I have to buy it now is to see those deleted scenes. Maybe I'll just find them on YouTube.
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I think Lucas outright enjoys messing with Star Wars fans. Or, at the very least, he feels spiteful towards them. There's no creative debate to be had about the lightsabers. The color correction on the 2004 DVD's was wrong due to some kind of major oversight, and given how lightsabers look in the other Star Wars films, it's only logical to correct them. So what's the reason for not doing so other than sticking it to the fans?
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I know it probably sounds pretty stupid to say, but sticking it to the fans like that seems rather petty and unnecessary to me. I mean what's the point? It's just going to make fans complain more anyway.
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As horrible as I feel for saying this.... I think we'll be getting shitty remakes until Lucas dies.
Which hopefully isn't too far off into the future.... :tdwn
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Holy shit. I weep.
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I know it probably sounds pretty stupid to say, but sticking it to the fans like that seems rather petty and unnecessary to me. I mean what's the point? It's just going to make fans complain more anyway.
Assuming he's sticking it to the fans, the reason is simple - He wants to prove that he's the one who controls what's in the films. He talks all the time in interviews about how it's the director's prerogative to do what he wants with the films. Listening to fan feedback would be admitting someone's opinions other than his own have influence on the film.
I don't know George Lucas, but why else would he do what he does?
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As horrible as I feel for saying this.... I think we'll be getting shitty remakes until Lucas dies.
Which hopefully isn't too far off into the future.... :tdwn
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I think Lucas outright enjoys messing with Star Wars fans. Or, at the very least, he feels spiteful towards them. There's no creative debate to be had about the lightsabers. The color correction on the 2004 DVD's was wrong due to some kind of major oversight, and given how lightsabers look in the other Star Wars films, it's only logical to correct them. So what's the reason for not doing so other than sticking it to the fans?
And making a press release announcing said changes as the selling point.
As horrible as I feel for saying this.... I think we'll be getting shitty remakes until Lucas dies.
Which hopefully isn't too far off into the future.... :tdwn
Watch it.
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Watch it.
I don't think he's going to watch those movies any time soon.
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Watch it.
I don't think he's going to watch those movies any time soon.
:lol
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Now that our oh-so-clever zinger is out of the way, I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
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Now that our oh-so-clever zinger is out of the way, I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm not okay with hoping George Lucas dies. Then he shall become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
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I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm sure that even though there'd be certain benefits to the lack of GL no body is literally wishing death upon him. I just made the joke because your 'watch it' comment seemed to imply that you took it a little too personally.
I'm not okay with hoping George Lucas dies. Then he shall become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
:lol
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George Lucas is the prime example of why producers are absolutely necessary when dealing with most (not all) creative minds.
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Gotta save my VHS trilogy. Will be worth a fortune one day.
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I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm sure that even though there'd be certain benefits to the lack of GL no body is literally wishing death upon him. I just made the joke because your 'watch it' comment seemed to imply that you took it a little too personally.
I'm not okay with hoping George Lucas dies. Then he shall become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
:lol
Yeah, obviously I don't wish any harm upon him... but if his death is gonna be the only thing that stops these horrible edits, then... well, I guess there is a silver lining to every black cloud.
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I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm sure that even though there'd be certain benefits to the lack of GL no body is literally wishing death upon him. I just made the joke because your 'watch it' comment seemed to imply that you took it a little too personally.
Well yeah, Lucas has been a huge inspiration in a number of different areas of my life, and he is a fellow human being. I understand you're joking around, but it was worded kind of harshly in my opinion. Hoping someone dies soon doesn't sit right with me.
Now that our oh-so-clever zinger is out of the way, I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm not okay with hoping George Lucas dies. Then he shall become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
And that's how zingers are done, folks. :lol
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I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm sure that even though there'd be certain benefits to the lack of GL no body is literally wishing death upon him. I just made the joke because your 'watch it' comment seemed to imply that you took it a little too personally.
Well yeah, Lucas has been a huge inspiration in a number of different areas of my life, and he is a fellow human being. I understand you're joking around, but it was worded kind of harshly in my opinion. Hoping someone dies soon doesn't sit right with me.
Well, sorry to offend you then. Was just being a bit sarcastic, wasn't trying to offend anyone with my remark.
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As a great man who really understood Star Wars once said of the prequels, "You know what? I'm starting to get used to this fucking crap not making any sense"
Seriously, I just cannot care anymore. The 97 special editions were crassly ostentatious, and the prequel elements needlessly shoehorned into the 2004 DVD release were cringe worthy, but at this point, I cannot even bring myself to care. I can't be emotionally invested in something when it is obvious the man who is responsible for it has no emotional attachment to his own accomplishments, and isn't going to change his mind about "improving" his past achievements. If this is what Lucas really wants future generations to remember him for as a film maker, so be it. It's his choice and he can ruin his reputation however the hell he wants. It is a travesty that the originals are being reduced obscure collectibles status, but quite frankly, between fan edits, the OT DVD, the THX remastered VHS and other such releases, they will be out there in some form for the fans who actually remember and love them. Lucas clearly does not understand what made Star Wars so special in the first place. All he cares about it doing fancier shit on his computer. This of course begs the question: why not just make more movies? Why does he have to go back and alter classic films that didn't need to be updated and "fixed"? Honestly, I would let the man make crappy prequels and sequels to his heart's content if it meant that the originals would be left untouched. But no, he has to continue to revise the original trilogy just to make them stylistically symmetrical with the prequels.
So where does this end, George? Will all the sets and backgrounds and matte paintings and creatures and droids and space ship models be completely redone in CGI so that the entire Original Trilogy looks every bit as fake and lifeless as the prequels? What about the characters? Will Harrison Ford be replaced by some green frog alien thing like you originally envisioned? Will Anthony Daniel's C3PO become some slimey, used car salesman type? Luke with a robot head? Leia with full cybernetics from the waist down? And what of the dialogue. Will Han tell Leia that he loves her at the end of Empire, just because it's more "romantic"? Instead of zen-like wisdom and thought provoking lines that actually impact our view on life, will we "finally" get to see a flashy CGI Yoda teach Luke how to lightsaber fight on Degobah by doing triple back flips off the sides of trees? WHERE DOES IT END?!
I'm not buying this "enhanced" Blu-Ray release. I have already owned this trilogy three times in the past two decades, and the first edition was still the best. If, by some slim chance, the original versions of these films get released on Blu-Ray (in anamorphic widescreen this time!), then I will buy those. But I will no longer throw away my hard earned cash, or even ask relatives to do the same for me on birthdays or Yule-Time, on these incessant, pointless and, quite frankly, insulting revisions of the films we all enjoyed in our youth. The line has been crossed to many times, and I will not see three of my favourite movies altered yet again. Lucas can do what he wants to his legacy, but for me, I will just continue to live in the past, and remember a Star Wars that was about more then just being visually "bigger and better-er".
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For someone claiming not to care, that was quite the rant.
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For someone claiming not to care, that was quite the rant.
Well, let me put it this way: what I cannot care about anymore is what Geroge does with these films and the franchise in the future. I obviously care about the films, and about the legacy of Star Wars in the history of cinema, but as far as his future intentions, I could not care less. Am I bothered by what he is doing? Certainly. I would be lying if I said otherwise. But they are his movies, so he can do with them as he sees fit, and nothing anyone says will deter him from his ill-chosen course of action. Seriously, if all those changes I mentioned in my previous post actually come to pass, I will not be surprised in the least. I will not even be angry or sad or disappointed or anything else. I simply won't feel anything, because as far as I am concerned, these are completely different films now. They might as well be straight re-boots for all I care. The originals still exist, and that is good enough for me.
What I DO care about, though, is how the Original Trilogy is being marginalized, as if they were some sort of horrible mistake that never should have happened. If he said he was going to release the original trilogy , in anamorphic widescreen, on blu-ray, along side, or even packaged with, these new versions, I would be perfectly fine with that. But what angers me is how he tries to pretend that the original versions don't even exist, and each new revision of those classic films just drives those original movies farther into the shadows of the past, and poisons the views of future generations on the Star Wars Saga. Half of the kids who get into Star Wars from this point on will think it was always just about flashy CGI and ridiculously choreographed lightsaber duels, not about the great characters and philosophical wisdom that actually changes you, the sort of film that actually made you think, rather then just merely being entertained. The other half, the half that actually grows up to have good taste in movies, will look at these new films and just shake their heads, wondering how their parents could actually find anything magical or profound in such tripe. By removing the original versions of these films from general public, Lucas is doing future film enthusiasts a massive disservice, because he damages his own legacy, making it near impossible to understand why he became so revered as a film maker in the first place, beyond simply having the flashiest special effects.
Maybe it was the lightsabers and laser dogfights that first grabbed audiences back in the 70's and 80's, but what made those films emotionally resonate with the audience, and what made them the pop-culture phenomenon they are today, is so much deeper then all the flash and glitter. It was the humanity of the characters, and the emotional depth of the story being told that made those movies memorable, and with each new "enhancement", Lucas takes away just a little bit of that old movie making magic. Make no mistake, I am not anti technology. I love a visual treat, but what George is doing here goes beyond simply updating the special effects; he is actually messing with the characters and the story. He is not simply trying to revisit the visuals so they appear as he envisioned them, he is trying to force a change upon the original trilogy to fit his new view of the Star Wars Saga, and that view is one centered around a shallow Anikin-centric plot in which everything that happens is just a contrivance to make Vader a be-all, end-all to this universe.
That is the most perverse thing in all this. He isn't simply doing it for the money, he genuinely believes that the Prophesy based story told in the prequels is what Star Wars should really have been about from the beginning. He is attempting to rewrite the history of his own story to better fit his more recent vision, and I wouldn't have a problem with that if he still left the original films alone an intact so those of us who enjoyed them more could still enjoy them as they originally were, but that is not good enough for him. He won't stop until he forces his newer and "better" vision of Star Wars down all of our throats, even if that means attempting to erase the original films from history. So while I don't care about what he does with these movie in the future, I do care deeply about him trying to destroy and cover up his own past, for no reason other then the fact it conflicts with his current view of the Saga.
On a related note, someone on TheForce.net posted this little bit of historical irony, proving once again how out of touch George Lucas is with his own past:
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians." "The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests." "Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."
-George Lucas, 1988
https://nerdbastards.com/2011/08/31/george-lucas-vs-george-lucas-the-1998-speech-against-altering-films/ (https://nerdbastards.com/2011/08/31/george-lucas-vs-george-lucas-the-1998-speech-against-altering-films/)
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With all due respect, I've always stood by the notion that they are his films and he can do as he pleases, and unfortunately I can't only apply that to the things I like. A lot of fans feel entitled to having a say in all of it since they helped "build the house", but when you buy a movie ticket, you're paying for the privilege of seeing a movie, not a stock or share in its outcome. For better or worse, the Star Wars saga is Lucas' life work, and buying action figures and DVDs shouldn't give me an equal say in the matter.
I've never understood the cultural or cinema history arguments against changes to the films. There should be no worry about the original state of the films being lost, because the films ARE preserved, forever in the National Film Registry. They exist on celluloid prints, VHS tapes, laser discs, DVDs and as digital files all over, and anyone who cares to own a copy likely does so on at least one format. What it really boils down to is whether people resent the changes or not, and just prefer the old way. "Cinema history" and "preservation" are psuedo-noble buzz words in my book. And let's not forget about how many films had succeeded in having their culture endured even before VCRs.
And before anyone talks about the shitty original trilogy transfer in 2006, let's be honest, that was only released to stop money from changing hands on pirated versions of the same films.
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Zepp, the issue I have with what Lucas is doing is that he is deliberately pushing the originals out of the spot light by not giving them a proper DVD or Blu-Ray release, and giving us another, further revised version of the trilogy. As you say, they are his films, and by all means, he can do whatever he wants to them, but why not give the originals the same lavish and loving restoration and Blu-Ray release that the revised editions are getting? He has the money and resources to give both versions of the original trilogy a proper High-Def treatment. The only logical reason I can think of is that he actually wants to deliberately marginalize those films until it reaches the point where people are more familiar with the newer versions then the originals. He actually wants the original versions of the trilogy to be forgotten in the public consciousness, to be superseded by these newer versions because of his own revisionist view of the Star Wars saga and it's internal history.
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At first, I thought the bombardment of the amazon page with reviews about a product no one had seen was stupid. But at this point, it's kind of like the fans giving the finger back to Lucas.
The same thing happened with the LOTR blu ray set the first time it was released. I can't remember what was wrong with it (maybe it had the shortened versions?), but a bunch of the fans gave it 1 star reviews and refused to buy it. As a result, I think the total overall rating of the album on amazon is 1.25 stars, which might seem pointless to some, would actually have a really negative effect on the overall sales of the set. How many people are gonna buy something when they're shopping on amazon if it doesn't even have 2 stars? Not many.
Same thing seems to be going on here. And I have no problem with that.
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it's kind of like the fans giving the finger back to Lucas.
Sorry, he didn't see it. He was too busing replacing all the Storm Troopers with digital renditions of young Anikan Skywalker from TPM.
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it's kind of like the fans giving the finger back to Lucas.
Sorry, he didn't see it. He was too busing replacing all the Storm Troopers with digital renditions of young Anikan Skywalker from TPM.
:rollin
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I won't be buying this set. It's not the product I want to view. It's nice that they fixed some saber issues and the puppet arm, but it should have stopped there. If I want to view the extras or deleted scenes, I'll find them on youtube at some point. I mean, is this guy ever going to stop making stupid, unnecessary changes?
https://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/star-wars-blu-ray-confirmed-blinking-ewoks-jabbas-palace?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=star-wars-blu-ray-confirmed-blinking-ewoks-jabbas-palace
Blinking ewoks? Okay. Fine. Not good or bad. It's just there. It contributes nothing, so it was unnecessary. Enlarging Jabba's door? Wouldn't be that much of a problem, but FUCK YOU, George, for rendering the Battlefront/Lego Star Wars levels inaccurate. Those games are better than any of the shit you've squeezed out in the last several years.
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:laugh: :tup
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I won't be buying this set. It's not the product I want to view. It's nice that they fixed some saber issues and the puppet arm, but it should have stopped there. If I want to view the extras or deleted scenes, I'll find them on youtube at some point. I mean, is this guy ever going to stop making stupid, unnecessary changes?
https://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/star-wars-blu-ray-confirmed-blinking-ewoks-jabbas-palace?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=star-wars-blu-ray-confirmed-blinking-ewoks-jabbas-palace
Blinking ewoks? Okay. Fine. Not good or bad. It's just there. It contributes nothing, so it was unnecessary. Enlarging Jabba's door? Wouldn't be that much of a problem, but FUCK YOU, George, for rendering the Battlefront/Lego Star Wars levels inaccurate. Those games are better than any of the shit you've squeezed out in the last several years.
It's funny and sad how true that is.
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Wow, so it's confirmed. Well I won't be buying this crap now anyway, not that I have a blu ray player to begin with but hoping to have one soon.
All I can say is thank god he didn't put in a CGI Jabba or Rancor or something...
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Don't speak too soon.
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(https://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/c/c7/Krayt-swg1.jpg)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I hope the forum is not okay with wishing somebody dead. I'm not happy either, but come on.
I'm sure that even though there'd be certain benefits to the lack of GL no body is literally wishing death upon him. I just made the joke because your 'watch it' comment seemed to imply that you took it a little too personally.
Well yeah, Lucas has been a huge inspiration in a number of different areas of my life, and he is a fellow human being. I understand you're joking around, but it was worded kind of harshly in my opinion. Hoping someone dies soon doesn't sit right with me.
Well, sorry to offend you then. Was just being a bit sarcastic, wasn't trying to offend anyone with my remark.
Noted. No hard feelings.
Zepp, the issue I have with what Lucas is doing is that he is deliberately pushing the originals out of the spot light by not giving them a proper DVD or Blu-Ray release, and giving us another, further revised version of the trilogy. As you say, they are his films, and by all means, he can do whatever he wants to them, but why not give the originals the same lavish and loving restoration and Blu-Ray release that the revised editions are getting? He has the money and resources to give both versions of the original trilogy a proper High-Def treatment. The only logical reason I can think of is that he actually wants to deliberately marginalize those films until it reaches the point where people are more familiar with the newer versions then the originals. He actually wants the original versions of the trilogy to be forgotten in the public consciousness, to be superseded by these newer versions because of his own revisionist view of the Star Wars saga and it's internal history.
Well naturally he wants his newer versions to have the spotlight. And this guy says it better than me, though also a little more dickishly. We just disagree on a fundamental level I'm afraid.
Now, we can all see every film released (and even some before they’re released) over and over again. We can each buy a copy if we want or download it on iTunes or Netflix. Most of us have dozens if not hundreds of movies in our personal collections. The Star Wars films are among them. All versions. Even some non-official versions.
What “cinema preservation” means to a fanboy is not just that they are entitled to have a copy of the OOT for their paneled basement “vault” (because those are available), but the best copy technologically possible at the moment, on the latest home video format at the highest resolution possible. In the case of Star Wars, it means new 16K transfers pulled from the original negatives with every artifact from the original release frozen in celluloid amber. Non-anamorphic versions using technology less than two decades old not only isn’t good enough, it’s an insult. It’s “rape.”
Cut the shit.
The real reason — and for most fanboys the only reason — for demanding the OOT in such pristine quality is because fanboys simply don’t like the SEs. That’s it. (To be more accurate, they don’t like parts of the SEs – because some of the most vocal OOTers are also fan-editors. It’s okay for THEM to change Lucas’ films, but not Lucas) It’s not about “these are the versions we grew up with” or the worries of “digitally altering older films,” it’s about Lucas making changes that bug them and then refusing to jump when they throw tantrums. They don’t want the OOT for “history,” they want it so they can flip off George Lucas and say, “Screw you, George! Han shot FIRST!” It’s about having personal copies that allow them to pretend the SEs and the prequels don’t exist. It’s a battle for “cinema history” where they want their preferred version, not the artists’, to be canon. To be THE story. To be “Star Wars.”
It’s a silly, futile battle they’ve already lost.
Keep in mind they're his words, not mine, and I direct no derogatory remarks toward any posters here.
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Just saw a great comment on the Krayt Dragon clip:
"Sounds like Jay Z when he first saw Beyonce naked"
Maybe not terribly funny, but I gotta hand it to him: I'd probably make that sound too given the chance. :lol
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They should've got Aisha Tyler to re-dub the line.
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Now, we can all see every film released (and even some before they’re released) over and over again. We can each buy a copy if we want or download it on iTunes or Netflix. Most of us have dozens if not hundreds of movies in our personal collections. The Star Wars films are among them. All versions. Even some non-official versions.
What “cinema preservation” means to a fanboy is not just that they are entitled to have a copy of the OOT for their paneled basement “vault” (because those are available), but the best copy technologically possible at the moment, on the latest home video format at the highest resolution possible. In the case of Star Wars, it means new 16K transfers pulled from the original negatives with every artifact from the original release frozen in celluloid amber. Non-anamorphic versions using technology less than two decades old not only isn’t good enough, it’s an insult. It’s “rape.”
Cut the shit.
The real reason — and for most fanboys the only reason — for demanding the OOT in such pristine quality is because fanboys simply don’t like the SEs. That’s it. (To be more accurate, they don’t like parts of the SEs – because some of the most vocal OOTers are also fan-editors. It’s okay for THEM to change Lucas’ films, but not Lucas) It’s not about “these are the versions we grew up with” or the worries of “digitally altering older films,” it’s about Lucas making changes that bug them and then refusing to jump when they throw tantrums. They don’t want the OOT for “history,” they want it so they can flip off George Lucas and say, “Screw you, George! Han shot FIRST!” It’s about having personal copies that allow them to pretend the SEs and the prequels don’t exist. It’s a battle for “cinema history” where they want their preferred version, not the artists’, to be canon. To be THE story. To be “Star Wars.”
It’s a silly, futile battle they’ve already lost.
Keep in mind they're his words, not mine, and I direct no derogatory remarks toward any posters here.
Whoever wrote that obviously views film in general completely differently than most people (or at least most Star Wars fans). It's like George Lucas himself said, once a film is released, its identity becomes more than just the celluloid it was printed on, but a part of cultural history. No one should care if the Special Editions were released and the original films were restored as well. The original would there for those who remember it and want to see it.
He tries to frame it as Star Wars fans trying to spite Lucas and being greedy. When it was never Lucas's place to take the originals off the market in the first place, and fans have every right to want to see it.
The only really legitimate point he makes is that a lot of people who hate the revised editions are indeed fan-editors. If they can change the material (which no one should care about), then why can't Lucas? Just please for the love of god release the original.
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I'm not a fan editor. And I have no problems with a special edition containing reasonable or good edits, just the ones with pointless, unnecessary or just plain bad edits.
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Meaning a better quality picture or clarifying muddled scripting, things that don't mess with the original spirit of the film but instead enhancing it.
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Meaning a better quality picture or clarifying muddled scripting, things that don't mess with the original spirit of the film but instead enhancing it.
I guess this is the deviation. I'm not sure what muddled scripting means, but in terms of the picture, here's my thing.
No matter what, I wish the original film was on DVD with no alterations. With the crappy composite artifacts and everything.
But if something else must exist, and I wish it existed, it would be a straight remaster of the original. For instance, when Luke's putting the restraining bolt on R2, you can see the marks from the bolt before it's even put on. Why not use a computer to digitally remove this? This doesn't seem like adding anything to the film to "enhance" it, just cleaning up a flaw in the original. Same with some of the weird lightsaber effects, a couple of odd jump-cuts, and the ridiculous jitteriness of the doors opening and closing.
I do genuinely like parts of the special edition. The new Yavin battle is incredible. But let's look at this hypothetical:
Only one of the following two movies can ever exist for the rest of time
- The special edition, minus obviously stupid scenes like Greedo shooting first, while still including good ones such as the new Battle of Yavin.
- A remastered version; with better color correction, a new sound mix, flaws such as composite artifacts removed, but no additions whatsoever.
I'd choose the latter. There's just something about the original version of anything that I always want to see. I don't think it's some kind of radically purist thing. While an un-adulterated original version should always exist, I'd never watch it if there was a faithful remaster. I'm relatively anal about quality. But I don't want enhancements. They aren't of the original's time.
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Here's where I sort of draw the line: in ESB, changing the hologram of the Emperor so he doesn't look like a gigantic monkey is a change I'm pretty okay with, although I agree with you that for the sake of preserving the film as it was has its merits even in that case. Or I would be okay with fixing continuity problems, such as Vader magically knowing by the time of that conversation that Luke is his son.
I can see what you mean though.
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Here's where I sort of draw the line: in ESB, changing the hologram of the Emperor so he doesn't look like a gigantic monkey is a change I'm pretty okay with, although I agree with you that for the sake of preserving the film as it was has its merits even in that case.
All fair.
Or I would be okay with fixing continuity problems, such as Vader magically knowing by the time of that conversation that Luke is his son.
I don't see how it's a continuity problem. There's lots of ways he could have found out.
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I mean it just seems sort of odd that a guy who's not known about his son's existence for twenty years is beat by some Force-sensitive kid in battle and thinks, "Hmm, no punk kid could be that strong in the Force unless he's my kid!" imo it just makes sense that it took the Emperor telling him so, or confirming his suspicions or something. I realize I can't explain it well (mostly because I don't have the film in front of me), but that's in fact one of the few 2004 remaster decisions I was actually pretty happy about.
Edit: Huh, it's not as radically different as I remember. That said, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I think it's better for the plot progression personally that the Emperor says "I have no doubt that the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." It also adds to the mystery about Luke's father, which I think is a really great red herring leading up to the epic revelation.
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I mean it just seems sort of odd that a guy who's not known about his son's existence for twenty years is beat by some Force-sensitive kid in battle and thinks, "Hmm, no punk kid could be that strong in the Force unless he's my kid!" imo it just makes sense that it took the Emperor telling him so, or confirming his suspicions or something. I realize I can't explain it well (mostly because I don't have the film in front of me), but that's in fact one of the few 2004 remaster decisions I was actually pretty happy about.
Edit: Huh, it's not as radically different as I remember. That said, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I think it's better for the plot progression personally that the Emperor says "I have no doubt that the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." It also adds to the mystery about Luke's father, which I think is a really great red herring leading up to the epic revelation.
None of this is wrong, in fact I had never thought about it that way. But I always believed that from the beginning, Vader was no longer just a guy who ran around beating things up. He was commanding the super Star Destroyer, and he personally went into the Hoth base even though he had no reason to unless he was looking for Luke. It also explains to me why, from the beginning, he has such a special interest in the Falcon. He wants to capture Luke's friends as bait. It never felt to me like an arc that just happened to start at the middle.
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And I never thought of it that way, so we both learned something interesting today. :lol
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STOP DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD GEORGE etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yPAXBsaRA&feature=player_embedded#!
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Now, we can all see every film released (and even some before they’re released) over and over again. We can each buy a copy if we want or download it on iTunes or Netflix. Most of us have dozens if not hundreds of movies in our personal collections. The Star Wars films are among them. All versions. Even some non-official versions.
What “cinema preservation” means to a fanboy is not just that they are entitled to have a copy of the OOT for their paneled basement “vault” (because those are available), but the best copy technologically possible at the moment, on the latest home video format at the highest resolution possible. In the case of Star Wars, it means new 16K transfers pulled from the original negatives with every artifact from the original release frozen in celluloid amber. Non-anamorphic versions using technology less than two decades old not only isn’t good enough, it’s an insult. It’s “rape.”
Cut the shit.
The real reason — and for most fanboys the only reason — for demanding the OOT in such pristine quality is because fanboys simply don’t like the SEs. That’s it. (To be more accurate, they don’t like parts of the SEs – because some of the most vocal OOTers are also fan-editors. It’s okay for THEM to change Lucas’ films, but not Lucas) It’s not about “these are the versions we grew up with” or the worries of “digitally altering older films,” it’s about Lucas making changes that bug them and then refusing to jump when they throw tantrums. They don’t want the OOT for “history,” they want it so they can flip off George Lucas and say, “Screw you, George! Han shot FIRST!” It’s about having personal copies that allow them to pretend the SEs and the prequels don’t exist. It’s a battle for “cinema history” where they want their preferred version, not the artists’, to be canon. To be THE story. To be “Star Wars.”
It’s a silly, futile battle they’ve already lost.
Keep in mind they're his words, not mine, and I direct no derogatory remarks toward any posters here.
Whoever wrote that obviously views film in general completely differently than most people (or at least most Star Wars fans). It's like George Lucas himself said, once a film is released, its identity becomes more than just the celluloid it was printed on, but a part of cultural history. No one should care if the Special Editions were released and the original films were restored as well. The original would there for those who remember it and want to see it.
I wouldn't say that. The biggest Star Wars forum on the web largely has views in favor of what that guy is saying.
And I'm not sure if you're referencing the "We must not allow our cultural history to be rewritten" quotation from Lucas or not, but IF you are, you're taking it out of context, which seems to be the popular thing to do with that particular speech. If not, carry on.
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STOP DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD GEORGE etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yPAXBsaRA&feature=player_embedded#!
This was amazing.
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After watching that scene again one must realize the level of genius in it. I wish I could have experienced the level of catharsis as the regular fan who attended the premiere.
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I wouldn't say that. The biggest Star Wars forum on the web largely has views in favor of what that guy is saying.
And I'm not sure if you're referencing the "We must not allow our cultural history to be rewritten" quotation from Lucas or not, but IF you are, you're taking it out of context, which seems to be the popular thing to do with that particular speech. If not, carry on.
What am I taking out of context?
My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.
I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I've come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.
The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as "when life begins" or "when it should be appropriately terminated," but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.
I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.
The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.
There are those who say American law is sufficient. That's an outrage! It's not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of "The Maltese Falcon?" Why are films cut up and butchered?
Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art - as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.
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lol
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After watching that scene again one must realize the level of genius in it. I wish I could have experienced the level of catharsis as the regular fan who attended the premiere.
Indeed, that is one of the best scenes in the entire film series.
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Regarding that GL quote, I see the hypocrisy of it, but he obviously views himself as the creative owner still and feels it's his right to change it to how he sees fit.
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain.
The fans view it as being public domain (not in the legal sense of the term) while GL views it as still his.
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I wouldn't say that. The biggest Star Wars forum on the web largely has views in favor of what that guy is saying.
And I'm not sure if you're referencing the "We must not allow our cultural history to be rewritten" quotation from Lucas or not, but IF you are, you're taking it out of context, which seems to be the popular thing to do with that particular speech. If not, carry on.
What am I taking out of context?
What you quoted. One doesn't need to look much farther than the sentence after the snippet everyone likes to quote to find out what he said has absolutely zero to do with what an artist can do with his own work.
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Bring back the originals
Kill George Lucas
Let someone who doesn't have his dick in his ass make 1,2&3 over
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GL can do whatever the fuck he wants to his movies, I just wish he would just stop trying to erase history and give the fans the original editions. He could release the newer versions too, but the original Star Wars films are the ones that are held so highly among movie fans, not these new versions.
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GL can do whatever the fuck he wants to his movies, I just wish he would just stop trying to erase history and give the fans the original editions. He could release the newer versions too, but the original Star Wars films are the ones that are held so highly among movie fans, not these new versions.
He said "No, I won't release the originals."
People bitched.
He gave in and released the originals.
People still bitch.
What do you want people?
You want the originals? You got em, go watch them. So what if he changes them? You already have what you want. Nobody is making you buy the new ones.
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GL can do whatever the fuck he wants to his movies, I just wish he would just stop trying to erase history and give the fans the original editions. He could release the newer versions too, but the original Star Wars films are the ones that are held so highly among movie fans, not these new versions.
He said "No, I won't release the originals."
People bitched.
He gave in and released the originals.
People still bitch.
What do you want people?
You want the originals? You got em, go watch them. So what if he changes them? You already have what you want. Nobody is making you buy the new ones.
The last original release was a pretty low quality transfer. I'm not a huge video buff, but I noticed the picture just looked horrible. I think some scenes were still changed as well, which is kind of pointless, although I can't remember what was changed, if anything.
What is wrong with wanting GL to release the originals on the current medium standard? plus you know he will release these in 5-6 years at the end of the blu-ray's life, just like he did with the dvds.
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From what I heard, the people wanted raw and original, so that's what GL released. 2.0 sound, shitty picture, happy 1977.
By the end of Blu-ray's life it'll just be all digital from then on, so we'll get the 3D versions (which will never be 'the original versions'). If he releases an HD version of the 1977 cut, even for fans who really want 'the originals' I wouldn't see the need for anything beyond that. But whatever is next would seem like overkill, what's a 2K version of the 1977 cut really giving you?
If he doesn't release that people will say what you just did. If that comes out, people will of course complain they have to buy it again and that GL is just cashing in. The guy can't can't win.
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GL can do whatever the fuck he wants to his movies, I just wish he would just stop trying to erase history and give the fans the original editions. He could release the newer versions too, but the original Star Wars films are the ones that are held so highly among movie fans, not these new versions.
He said "No, I won't release the originals."
People bitched.
He gave in and released the originals.
People still bitch.
What do you want people?
You want the originals? You got em, go watch them. So what if he changes them? You already have what you want. Nobody is making you buy the new ones.
I don't get your point-of-view.
When people say "Give us the originals" what they obviously mean is give the original versions of the films, the ones that made history, the same tech transfer to Blu-ray quality that any other classic film would get. What's the problem with that?
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So in honor all the outrage, I have decided to have a little Star Wars Marathon (of the unaltered original trilogy that is). A New Hope is still fantastic and Empire is just as captivating today as it was when I was a kid. Now I'm in the middle of Jedi, which don't get me wrong I do love Jedi, but it tends to drag in few places.
I'm at the Ewok village part at the moment, so naturally I'm writing a post rather then paying attention, but the climax more then makes up for the lulls.
Picture wise, the Zoomed in Non-anamorphic DVD's are not really as bad as I remember them being. I'm actually quite happy with them.
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I think I will pick those up on DVD. A little disappointed there is only stereo (that was a huge plus of the blu ray for me), but I really wanna watch the Star Wars films again.
Guess I'll be looking in some of the second-hand comic stores around here.
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He said "No, I won't release the originals."
People bitched.
He gave in and released the originals.
People still bitch.
What do you want people?
You want the originals? You got em, go watch them. So what if he changes them? You already have what you want. Nobody is making you buy the new ones.
Can't wait until LCD TVs reach QFHD 3840x2160 resolution in a few years and we're still watching the same 240p original copies scaled up and blurred to a screen almost 10 times their size. This isn't about mindless fan bitching, this is about preservation.
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When people say "Give us the originals" what they obviously mean is give the original versions of the films, the ones that made history, the same tech transfer to Blu-ray quality that any other classic film would get. What's the problem with that?
So like I said in the other post, he released the originals on DVD. If he were to release them on Blu-ray people would just complain that he's "cashing in again."
My fundamental difference with pretty much everyone here is that I don't care if he updates them. He was smart enough from the beginning to gain control over them so he could update them over time. Star Wars is a story written by George Lucas and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. If you write a story, you can change it whenever and however you see fit.
To me the latest updated version of the film is the film. I don't buy every version, (if this Blu-ray box set didn't have a shitload of bonus features I would not have bought it) and I understand that when the Blu-ray box set shows up at my house on Friday it won't be the "final" versions and I have no issues with that.
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GL can do whatever the fuck he wants to his movies, I just wish he would just stop trying to erase history and give the fans the original editions. He could release the newer versions too, but the original Star Wars films are the ones that are held so highly among movie fans, not these new versions.
He said "No, I won't release the originals."
People bitched.
He gave in and released the originals.
People still bitch.
What do you want people?
You want the originals? You got em, go watch them. So what if he changes them? You already have what you want. Nobody is making you buy the new ones.
The last original release was a pretty low quality transfer. I'm not a huge video buff, but I noticed the picture just looked horrible. I think some scenes were still changed as well, which is kind of pointless, although I can't remember what was changed, if anything.
What is wrong with wanting GL to release the originals on the current medium standard? plus you know he will release these in 5-6 years at the end of the blu-ray's life, just like he did with the dvds.
The 2006 original trilogy releases were from the same master as the laser discs. You know why? It's not because he caved into people complaining. What happened was, money was changing hands on illegal copies of the original trilogy using the laser disc transfers. So, Lucas killed that little market, small though it may be, by using the same transfers.
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So like I said in the other post, he released the originals on DVD. If he were to release them on Blu-ray people would just complain that he's "cashing in again."
Dude, you post on an internet message board, how can you not understand how internet fandom works? If Lucas released a legitimate transfer of the original trilogy, one of two things would happen:
- People would forget years of hating Lucas and praise him for the respect shown to Star Wars fans.
- People would be markedly less interested in talking about the crappiness of the Special Editions because the originals are out there.
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So like I said in the other post, he released the originals on DVD. If he were to release them on Blu-ray people would just complain that he's "cashing in again."
Yes, just like when people bitch about other movies that have been released on DVD and then they get released on Blu-Ray. WTF, no they wouldn't.
My fundamental difference with pretty much everyone here is that I don't care if he updates them. He was smart enough from the beginning to gain control over them so he could update them over time. Star Wars is a story written by George Lucas and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. If you write a story, you can change it whenever and however you see fit.
Yes, because authors and directors do this all the time. Oh wait, no they fucking don't.
To me the latest updated version of the film is the film. I don't buy every version, (if this Blu-ray box set didn't have a shitload of bonus features I would not have bought it) and I understand that when the Blu-ray box set shows up at my house on Friday it won't be the "final" versions and I have no issues with that.
And you don't see that YOUR viewpoint is the anomaly?
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I'm not overly bothered about the updates GL has made, but blackngold your argument just sounds dumb. What's so wrong about people wanting the original film they saw as kids on Blu Ray? He could have obviously of released both editions of each film, but didn't, hence why people are pissed. Like someone else said, people aren't pissed that he's changing his story, it's that he's trying to bury the originals as if they never existed, thus alienating the fanbase that allowed him to become stupid rich and make these changes in the first place.
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I might be in the minority here, but the only change that had me :facepalm: was the Dug in Jabba's palace. Other than that, I don't see the actual changes as THAT bad.
However, I wish he would keep the movies in tact. My brothers and myself were able to have epic lightsaber duels in our yard with ANH-ROTJ, OG style. I'd like my kids to be able to enjoy the same movies I did. No changes.
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I might be in the minority here, but the only change that had me :facepalm: was the Dug in Jabba's palace. Other than that, I don't see the actual changes as THAT bad.
However, I wish he would keep the movies in tact. My brothers and myself were able to have epic lightsaber duels in our yard with ANH-ROTJ, OG style. I'd like my kids to be able to enjoy the same movies I did. No changes.
I generally agree that aside from the musical number at Jabbas palace, that I'm not overly bothered by the changes. However....he's crossing the line with Darth's NOOOOOOOO in Jedi. That's not him doing what he wanted to do years ago but couldn't, that's him randomly deciding to alter something for the worse.
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The Nooooooo!!! didn't really feel too far out of place though. I mean, come on, he's the kid's fucking father. But, it does ruin some of the moment. I'm just saying it isn't like so awful it's out of the realm of possibility and Lucas should be crucified, stoned, sodomized and otherwise tortured to death.
edit: Jedi wasn't that great of a movie anyway. Better than the new 3, but meh.
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The Nooooooo!!! didn't really feel too far out of place though. I mean, come on, he's the kid's fucking father. But, it does ruin some of the moment. I'm just saying it isn't like so awful it's out of the realm of possibility and Lucas should be crucified, stoned, sodomized and otherwise tortured to death.
edit: Jedi wasn't that great of a movie anyway. Better than the new 3, but meh.
That scene is so powerful and the NOOOO just makes it comedic. As does Bens orgasm yell that has been retouched. If something isn't necessary, then don't add it in 30 years later.
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The Nooooooo!!! didn't really feel too far out of place though. I mean, come on, he's the kid's fucking father. But, it does ruin some of the moment. I'm just saying it isn't like so awful it's out of the realm of possibility and Lucas should be crucified, stoned, sodomized and otherwise tortured to death.
edit: Jedi wasn't that great of a movie anyway. Better than the new 3, but meh.
That scene is so powerful and the NOOOO just makes it comedic. As does Bens orgasm yell that has been retouched. If something isn't necessary, then don't add it in 30 years later.
Only part with this post I disagree with is "comedic". Just because you're disgusted at the change doesn't make it comedic. I went into watching the clip fully expecting to laugh and thought "well, that really isn't bad".
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Star Wars is a story written by George Lucas and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. If you write a story, you can change it whenever and however you see fit.
He might've come up with the basic concepts but all that writing help he got in the 70s helped develop the legacy you see. Those are the people that turned his protagonists and antagonists into real god damn characters. If you think Lucas was the sole genius behind all or most of Star Wars you'd be dead wrong.
Only part with this post I disagree with is "comedic". Just because you're disgusted at the change doesn't make it comedic. I went into watching the clip fully expecting to laugh and thought "well, that really isn't bad".
You seriously don't see what's so wrong about turning the scene from shockingly triumphant to blatantly pointing out to the audience Vader's change? It's the first moment you ever see Vader show any sign of sympathy towards a person and it turns it from being emotionally powerful to him saying something Vader would have never said. What has the OT Vader ever done that would make you think he'd suddenly utter "NOOOOOOOO!" at a moment like that? It's completely 100% out of character, which is what made it so hilarious when it was done in Episode 3.
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I'm not disagreeing with your point at all. I'm just saying, It's not like Vader starts crying says "I love you Luke". He just is like "NO FUCK THIS SHIT". It really is just Vader's emotion being audible, as you have pointed out. I don't know how old you are, but the people buying this stuff now really need a sign like this. My generation and those younger are for the most part incredibly stupid and need a hint whenever they can.
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I'm not disagreeing with your point at all. I'm just saying, It's not like Vader starts crying says "I love you Luke". He just is like "NO FUCK THIS SHIT". It really is just Vader's emotion being audible, as you have pointed out. I don't know how old you are, but the people buying this stuff now really need a sign like this. My generation and those younger are for the most part incredibly stupid and need a hint whenever they can.
I apologize for my lack of proper punctuation. I'm several beers and a glass of scotch in.
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Heh, no worries. Regarding your second point I don't think that a director should ever dumb down an already universally praised series of movies just so others can "understand" it. Stuff like that usually backfires since it might insult the original audience.
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Heh, no worries. Regarding your second point I don't think that a director should ever dumb down an already universally praised series of movies just so others can "understand" it. Stuff like that usually backfires since it might insult the original audience.
Yeah. I understand that. I guess I was just never really that attached to ROTJ. If they fuck with ESB, I'll be mad. I love you, I know (Insert GL Lucas edit) I love you too. I could see him doing that.
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Well that was the original line and Harrison Ford hated it (rightfully so). After a few dozen takes Kershner just went to Ford and said "What would Han Solo say?". What you see in the movie was the very next take.
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Well that was the original line and Harrison Ford hated it (rightfully so). After a few dozen takes Kershner just went to Ford and said "What would Han Solo say?". What you see in the movie was the very next take.
I do remember reading that now. Thank you. Seems like that might be on the short list of things Lucas is going to fuck up.
The beautiful thing about ESB is that it could be a standalone movie, if you read the opening text. It is one of the best movies ever made, in my opinion. I think the problem with Lucas is, that because he didn't direct it, and it's generally the most liked of Star Wars movies, he feels he needs to prove himself better.
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As far as I know, (from what little I remember) isn't ESB the least altered of all the retouched movies? I can't think of a whole lot of bad changes that have been done, those seem to be mostly reserved for A New Hope and Jedi.
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As far as I know, (from what little I remember) isn't ESB the least altered of all the retouched movies? I can't think of a whole lot of bad changes that have been done, those seem to be mostly reserved for A New Hope and Jedi.
You know, I haven't watched any of the originals on anything other than the VHS.
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I just looked it up. Yea it's the least changed, and most of the changes I have 0 problem with. Most of them are visual and are in accordance with his motto of making it just look more up to date or doing things he couldn't have done visually back then, none of which really detract in any way from what's going on. Of course he changes Bobba fetts voice to that Kiwi guy, but that's fine too since he only has one line and the original voice wasn't exactly memorable. So from what I understand, he isn't changing anything else in a negative way for this movie on the Blu Rays.
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Probably since Lucas likes it the least and, like snapple mentioned, it's most likely because he had the least to do with it.
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Probably since Lucas likes it the least and, like snapple mentioned, it's most likely because he had the least to do with it.
I don't know if this is what they call irony, but it turned out the best film he ever did, and he didn't even do it. He should go back to making '60s throwback movies and pseudo-experimental sci-fi shit.
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So like I said in the other post, he released the originals on DVD. If he were to release them on Blu-ray people would just complain that he's "cashing in again."
Yes, just like when people bitch about other movies that have been released on DVD and then they get released on Blu-Ray. WTF, no they wouldn't.
We'll revisit this if he releases them on Blu-ray.
My fundamental difference with pretty much everyone here is that I don't care if he updates them. He was smart enough from the beginning to gain control over them so he could update them over time. Star Wars is a story written by George Lucas and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. If you write a story, you can change it whenever and however you see fit.
Yes, because authors and directors do this all the time. Oh wait, no they fucking don't.
Just because it's not common doesn't make it wrong.
To me the latest updated version of the film is the film. I don't buy every version, (if this Blu-ray box set didn't have a shitload of bonus features I would not have bought it) and I understand that when the Blu-ray box set shows up at my house on Friday it won't be the "final" versions and I have no issues with that.
And you don't see that YOUR viewpoint is the anomaly?
Yes, that's why I said, "My fundamental difference with pretty much everyone here is..." I can also go to forums where I am in the majority.
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My fundamental difference with pretty much everyone here is that I don't care if he updates them. He was smart enough from the beginning to gain control over them so he could update them over time. Star Wars is a story written by George Lucas and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. If you write a story, you can change it whenever and however you see fit.
Yes, because authors and directors do this all the time. Oh wait, no they fucking don't.
Just because it's not common doesn't make it wrong.
It's very difficult for a mind, especially a creative mind, to look back on a work and still see it in the same light even after as little as a few years let alone the 30+ Lucas is at at this point. But even if you like that work less at this point in time any attempt to change it with your current mindset will disturb the atmosphere the original work holds. It's the downside to being a perfectionist, though I hardly consider what Lucas is doing something that a perfectionist would do since they tend to actually make their work better. For example my friend had been working on an issue for a comic that he was doing. He started on page 1 then went on all the way to page 30. By the time he got there he noticed inconsistencies in the painting style for the first pages. He redid those and found a different way to paint and decided to update the other pages. He still hasn't finished because he's stuck in this perpetual cycle of "I need to improve" even when the stuff he has done is absolutely 100% fine as is. Unlike my friend Lucas has actually finished a work and done the more assholish thing of getting stuck in that same improvement cycle 20-30 years after the fact as if he's stuck in a similar cycle of changing things that are fine to begin with. And you wanna know why that is and other directors don't do it? Because think of all that Lucas done in the last 10-15 years. Fuck with Star Wars and that's it. He has no other project or creative ideas to devote his time to.
So yes there is a problem if a director does it, uncommon or not. It's called insecurity.
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So like I said in the other post, he released the originals on DVD. If he were to release them on Blu-ray people would just complain that he's "cashing in again."
Dude, you post on an internet message board, how can you not understand how internet fandom works? If Lucas released a legitimate transfer of the original trilogy, one of two things would happen:
- People would forget years of hating Lucas and praise him for the respect shown to Star Wars fans.
- People would be markedly less interested in talking about the crappiness of the Special Editions because the originals are out there.
:lol Nice.
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Did you like my edit? Yeah, didn't think so.
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Haha, I'm interested to hear how the Episode VI NOO fits in. That one I can see the argument for being dumb.
Ewoks blinking, not so much.
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The amazon rating for this is 1.9 stars. Must really be hurting their sales. I also noticed there was a 10 dollar price drop last week.
Still passing.
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Seriously, their rating system needs work.
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I don't think people should be able to vote before the product is actually released, but other than that I don't have much of a problem with it.
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Yeah but that's a pretty major flaw in my opinion.
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One of my housemates has KOTOR, so I decided to play it. It's taught me a few things about life.
1) Games exist which do not have checkpoints.
2) In these games, if you die, you die. Full stop (not a semi colon). You are dead. Gone. Game Over. Permanently.
3) When you think you've been doing well for the last three hours, and then you die, it's infuriating.
4) When everyone's saying "beware of the mutants", and even a healer says "the mutants beyond this gate WILL kill you", don't open the sodding gate.
5) If it's Star Wars and you don't get to use force powers or a lightsaber within three hours, you're going to ragequit, especially if you were collecting a lot of lightside points.
Edit: Fun game while I was still alive though.
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Umm, you do know about quick-saving, right?
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One of my housemates has KOTOR, so I decided to play it. It's taught me a few things about life.
1) Games exist which do not have checkpoints.
2) In these games, if you die, you die. Full stop (not a semi colon). You are dead. Gone. Game Over. Permanently.
3) When you think you've been doing well for the last three hours, and then you die, it's infuriating.
4) When everyone's saying "beware of the mutants", and even a healer says "the mutants beyond this gate WILL kill you", don't open the sodding gate.
5) If it's Star Wars and you don't get to use force powers or a lightsaber within three hours, you're going to ragequit, especially if you were collecting a lot of lightside points.
Edit: Fun game while I was still alive though.
It's definitely more strenuous to get light side points. I've played through the game a few times, and I still feel bad in real life about some of the things I did for dark side points.
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I hope you do know that you can save things.
Overall though, that game is fantastic. I was thinking about playing it again the other day actually. Started the second one, but I don't think I ever finished.
KOTOR and Republic Commando would be my two favorite SW games.
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Just remembered this was coming tomorrow. Sweet.
Anyway, there is rumor that there's Natalie Portman explaining the Sifo Dyas mystery on the "spoofs feature." Which is pretty hilarious since it was promised over and over we would get that and never did. GL has a sense of humor apparently.
EDIT: Wait, just looked this up on amazon, 91 minutes of spoofs!? That's insane.
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I believe that was confirmed. It's a shame they essentially ran out of screen time to explain it in the films.
Canceled my pre-order since they come out tomorrow and it hadn't shipped yet. So I'm gonna get up early (got the day off), bag myself a box set and nerd out alllllll day long.
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One of my housemates has KOTOR, so I decided to play it. It's taught me a few things about life.
1) Games exist which do not have checkpoints.
2) In these games, if you die, you die. Full stop (not a semi colon). You are dead. Gone. Game Over. Permanently.
3) When you think you've been doing well for the last three hours, and then you die, it's infuriating.
4) When everyone's saying "beware of the mutants", and even a healer says "the mutants beyond this gate WILL kill you", don't open the sodding gate.
5) If it's Star Wars and you don't get to use force powers or a lightsaber within three hours, you're going to ragequit, especially if you were collecting a lot of lightside points.
Edit: Fun game while I was still alive though.
best game ever
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I believe that was confirmed. It's a shame they essentially ran out of screen time to explain it in the films.
Canceled my pre-order since they come out tomorrow and it hadn't shipped yet. So I'm gonna get up early (got the day off), bag myself a box set and nerd out alllllll day long.
I considered cancelling my pre-order and buying it in store...........hell, I'm going to do that.
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As soon as I get home from my "colon scoping procedure" I'll be chowing down on food and watching the special features. :tup
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Just got through the first two films, they look beautiful. I think I like Attack of the Clones more right now than I ever have, something just clicked more this time watching it through.
The original trilogy has some interesting deleted/extended scenes to be sure. The "Yoda communes with Qui-Gon" deleted scene is the disappointment of the box set for me so far, since I really looked forward to finally seeing it. Unfortunately, it's an animatic of Yoda, no Liam Neeson voice, and it's about 20 seconds long. No "love is the answer to the darkness" or why the jedi failed, just "with my training you can retain your consciousness even after your physical self has perished".
Very cool stuff overall and I've only just begun to tap into it. Onto Revenge of the Sith.
Long live Star Wars. :biggrin:
Also: https://www.hulu.com/watch/1502/saturday-night-live-natalie-portman-monologue
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best game ever
I want to do a run through with only guns and force powers(for my character), no melee weapons. Have a feeling I'm going to get bored really fast though :lol
Even more than that though, I wanna get my hands on a copy of KOTOR The Sith Lords soon. Really underrated game IMO, bugs and all. The writing is so damn good and dark :metal
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The original trilogy has some interesting deleted/extended scenes to be sure. The "Yoda communes with Qui-Gon" deleted scene is the disappointment of the box set for me so far, since I really looked forward to finally seeing it. Unfortunately, it's an animatic of Yoda, no Liam Neeson voice, and it's about 20 seconds long. No "love is the answer to the darkness" or why the jedi failed, just "with my training you can retain your consciousness even after your physical self has perished".
Is that a joke or did you seriously expect an OT deleted scene to be about a character Lucas thought up only a little over a decade ago?
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Apparently ROTS was originally going to have a more comedic tone;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCf29AxiTc&feature=player_embedded
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The original trilogy has some interesting deleted/extended scenes to be sure. The "Yoda communes with Qui-Gon" deleted scene is the disappointment of the box set for me so far, since I really looked forward to finally seeing it. Unfortunately, it's an animatic of Yoda, no Liam Neeson voice, and it's about 20 seconds long. No "love is the answer to the darkness" or why the jedi failed, just "with my training you can retain your consciousness even after your physical self has perished".
Is that a joke or did you seriously expect an OT deleted scene to be about a character Lucas thought up only a little over a decade ago?
It was supposed to be in the end of Sith. Not sure why he expected it in episodes 1 or 2.
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The original trilogy has some interesting deleted/extended scenes to be sure. The "Yoda communes with Qui-Gon" deleted scene is the disappointment of the box set for me so far, since I really looked forward to finally seeing it. Unfortunately, it's an animatic of Yoda, no Liam Neeson voice, and it's about 20 seconds long. No "love is the answer to the darkness" or why the jedi failed, just "with my training you can retain your consciousness even after your physical self has perished".
Is that a joke or did you seriously expect an OT deleted scene to be about a character Lucas thought up only a little over a decade ago?
The original trilogy has some interesting deleted/extended scenes to be sure. The "Yoda communes with Qui-Gon" deleted scene is the disappointment of the box set for me so far, since I really looked forward to finally seeing it. Unfortunately, it's an animatic of Yoda, no Liam Neeson voice, and it's about 20 seconds long. No "love is the answer to the darkness" or why the jedi failed, just "with my training you can retain your consciousness even after your physical self has perished".
Is that a joke or did you seriously expect an OT deleted scene to be about a character Lucas thought up only a little over a decade ago?
It was supposed to be in the end of Sith. Not sure why he expected it in episodes 1 or 2.
Not sure why you guys are assuming I was looking in the wrong place and somehow still succeeding in watching it. Regardless, the deleted scenes are on discs 7 and 8, not on the discs with the films themselves. Yes, it's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, and no, I did not look for it in Episodes I, II, IV, V, or VI.
Revenge of the Sith appears to be unchanged other than a reinserted wipe from the theatrical cut of the film.
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I assumed what I did because you first said "just got through the first two films" then started talking about deleted/extended scenes, which I thought you meant were inserted into the film.
Let me know if there's any other awful changes like Jabbas palace.
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Oh no, sorry for any confusion. I watched the deleted scenes separately, I haven't watched the originals yet, but finished the prequels.
So far I've noticed overall color correction to all 3 so far. Digital Yoda in The Phantom Menace (and he no longer wears his hood at the funeral), new screens the Nemoidians use, an enhanced "force run" effect, and an increase in battle droids in the final land battle.
Attack of the Clones features Anakin hearing Shmi's voice during his nightmare, and without comparing it's hard to confirm, but I can almost guarantee the part where Yoda saves Obi and Anakin by lifting the beam is cut differently. The color shift is most noticeable in this film, all of it is a bit more cyan.
Revenge of the Sith has no changes I caught outside of a re-inserted wipe.
To be continued.
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Apparently ROTS was originally going to have a more comedic tone;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCf29AxiTc&feature=player_embedded
WWWHHHHAAAAAATTTTT!?!?!?!?!!? THIS IS REAL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Watching Episode I now, which looks fantastic, but I was just thinking: In the scene before the battle, the queen explains the whole three-pronged attack/battle/diversion to the rest of the guys. Did she think of the whole thing herself? Doesn't she have advisers who would do that stuff? Wouldn't the jedi and her head of security been in on it?
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Not sure why you guys are assuming I was looking in the wrong place and somehow still succeeding in watching it. Regardless, the deleted scenes are on discs 7 and 8, not on the discs with the films themselves. Yes, it's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, and no, I did not look for it in Episodes I, II, IV, V, or VI.
Oh, well you mentioned that the OT had some deleted scenes and then mentioned that scene, so I thought you were implying that Lucas meaning to shove more prequel trilogy trash into the OT under the guise of "I had it planned all along, guys" like most of the stuff he did.
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Apparently ROTS was originally going to have a more comedic tone;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCf29AxiTc&feature=player_embedded
I thought it already did? ???
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Apparently ROTS was originally going to have a more comedic tone;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCf29AxiTc&feature=player_embedded
WWWHHHHAAAAAATTTTT!?!?!?!?!!? THIS IS REAL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
It's in the deleted scenes. I'm still puzzled by it.
Not sure why you guys are assuming I was looking in the wrong place and somehow still succeeding in watching it. Regardless, the deleted scenes are on discs 7 and 8, not on the discs with the films themselves. Yes, it's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, and no, I did not look for it in Episodes I, II, IV, V, or VI.
Oh, well you mentioned that the OT had some deleted scenes and then mentioned that scene, so I thought you were implying that Lucas meaning to shove more prequel trilogy trash into the OT under the guise of "I had it planned all along, guys" like most of the stuff he did.
Nope.
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Anyone watch the OT blu rays yet?
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Anyone watch the OT blu rays yet?
And when you do, describe the deleted scenes. If I did ever buy the OT on blu ray, that would be the only reason.
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I don't know if the OT alone on blu ray has the deleted scenes. I watched them all the other day.
There is some interesting stuff from early A New Hope of Luke in the Tosche Station talking to Biggs and a few others. Biggs secretly tells Luke he is joining the rebellion. It also pretty much spells out that the Empire is Marxist.
Han originally was with a woman in the Cantina whom he kisses and turns away as soon as Obi-Wan and Luke sit down.
Luke and 3PO in the Landspeeder to find R2 was taken out because the visuals weren't up to par.
In an alternate take of the scene added into the special edition, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father (doesn't call him by name). "If you're half as good a pilot as him, we'll be alright".
There some other smaller scenes from A New Hope, like an old woman encouraging the landspeeder to drive safely. It also appears that Han and Greedo were originally meant to fire at the same time. I'll chime in with more later.
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Even more than that though, I wanna get my hands on a copy of KOTOR The Sith Lords soon. Really underrated game IMO, bugs and all. The writing is so damn good and dark :metal
If you like that then go to Good Old Games and buy a copy of Planescape: Torment, it was made/written by the same guys. You will not be disappoint.
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Star Wars Ultimate Edition: Han & Greedo Shootout (skip to 30 seconds)
https://youtu.be/P2i0nvnErFU
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I don't know if the OT alone on blu ray has the deleted scenes. I watched them all the other day.
There is some interesting stuff from early A New Hope of Luke in the Tosche Station talking to Biggs and a few others. Biggs secretly tells Luke he is joining the rebellion. It also pretty much spells out that the Empire is Marxist.
Han originally was with a woman in the Cantina whom he kisses and turns away as soon as Obi-Wan and Luke sit down.
Luke and 3PO in the Landspeeder to find R2 was taken out because the visuals weren't up to par.
In an alternate take of the scene added into the special edition, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father (doesn't call him by name). "If you're half as good a pilot as him, we'll be alright".
There some other smaller scenes from A New Hope, like an old woman encouraging the landspeeder to drive safely. It also appears that Han and Greedo were originally meant to fire at the same time. I'll chime in with more later.
Oh no, I know. I seem to remember official press releases saying that the OT's bonus disc would have deleted scenes for all three.
Also I've seen that first one, laughably dreadful. :lol
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Star Wars Ultimate Edition: Han & Greedo Shootout (skip to 30 seconds)
https://youtu.be/P2i0nvnErFU
:lol
I'm in favor of Han shooting first, but I've never understood why Greedo shooting first hurts his "badass" persona. He has a gun in his face, he was always in self-defense. In the blu-ray, it looks like they fire at the same time.
I don't know if the OT alone on blu ray has the deleted scenes. I watched them all the other day.
There is some interesting stuff from early A New Hope of Luke in the Tosche Station talking to Biggs and a few others. Biggs secretly tells Luke he is joining the rebellion. It also pretty much spells out that the Empire is Marxist.
Han originally was with a woman in the Cantina whom he kisses and turns away as soon as Obi-Wan and Luke sit down.
Luke and 3PO in the Landspeeder to find R2 was taken out because the visuals weren't up to par.
In an alternate take of the scene added into the special edition, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father (doesn't call him by name). "If you're half as good a pilot as him, we'll be alright".
There some other smaller scenes from A New Hope, like an old woman encouraging the landspeeder to drive safely. It also appears that Han and Greedo were originally meant to fire at the same time. I'll chime in with more later.
Oh no, I know. I seem to remember official press releases saying that the OT's bonus disc would have deleted scenes for all three.
Also I've seen that first one, laughably dreadful. :lol
I liked it. :D
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Star Wars Ultimate Edition: Han & Greedo Shootout (skip to 30 seconds)
https://youtu.be/P2i0nvnErFU
That was way funnier than I thought it would be.
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Star Wars Ultimate Edition: Han & Greedo Shootout (skip to 30 seconds)
https://youtu.be/P2i0nvnErFU
:lol
I'm in favor of Han shooting first, but I've never understood why Greedo shooting first hurts his "badass" persona. He has a gun in his face, he was always in self-defense. In the blu-ray, it looks like they fire at the same time.
I don't know if the OT alone on blu ray has the deleted scenes. I watched them all the other day.
There is some interesting stuff from early A New Hope of Luke in the Tosche Station talking to Biggs and a few others. Biggs secretly tells Luke he is joining the rebellion. It also pretty much spells out that the Empire is Marxist.
Han originally was with a woman in the Cantina whom he kisses and turns away as soon as Obi-Wan and Luke sit down.
Luke and 3PO in the Landspeeder to find R2 was taken out because the visuals weren't up to par.
In an alternate take of the scene added into the special edition, Red Leader tells Luke that he once flew with his father (doesn't call him by name). "If you're half as good a pilot as him, we'll be alright".
There some other smaller scenes from A New Hope, like an old woman encouraging the landspeeder to drive safely. It also appears that Han and Greedo were originally meant to fire at the same time. I'll chime in with more later.
Oh no, I know. I seem to remember official press releases saying that the OT's bonus disc would have deleted scenes for all three.
Also I've seen that first one, laughably dreadful. :lol
I liked it. :D
I mean I liked the scene itself, but as you said it had those "EVIL COMMIES" overtones, and that ruined the scene for me.
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From what I've pieced together from the other films, that's how I always viewed the Empire anyway, so that doesn't really bother me. If anything, it's kinda interesting to have it actually said outright.
The Empire Strikes Back only has a couple new touches. The Wampa puppeteer's arm is no longer visible, and the Cloud Car that passes by Leia's window now casts a reflection. It looks like the saber's are a LITTLE better than on the DVD.
The deleted scenes include a couple things with the rebels holding Wampas. Extended dialogue after "You could use a good kiss" that ends with Leia getting pissy and calling Han a hotshot. Extended "scruffy looking nerf herder" that begins earlier with only Luke and Leia. Extended kiss on the Falcon where after the initial kiss, she says "Okay, hotshot" and they kiss again, more passionately before being interrupted by 3PO. More training with Yoda, involving him holding some sort of beam for a while, then moving it which Luke is supposed to grab. And finally, a scene of Leia tending to Luke at the end, where Boba Fett is mentioned by name.
Return of the Jedi's deleted scenes have an alternate opening of Vader going to his meditation chamber and reaching out to Luke as he did in Empire. This was fully scored and is actually on the Special Edition soundtrack if any of you have that. Meanwhile, Luke is in a Tatooine cave making his green lightsaber. Moff Jerjerrod has basically an entire subplot lumped together in one long deleted scene, where he is choked by Vader but lives, and is later given the order to turn the Death Star to destroy Endor if they lose the shield. Crix Madine has some deleted scenes as well, where he is commanding a ship, and he even has some of Ackbar's lines. The rebels led by Han can be seen storming the bunker, some cool unfinished action, which of course ends with them being ambushed. This time, when the Imperial says "You rebel scum", Han replies "scum?", it's done very well. Various shots of pilots in cockpits, most of which did not make the movie, can be seen repeating lines the director shouts at them, in most cases very poorly. One of the female cockpits made the film but was overdubbed by a man. There is a Mon Cal pilot at the end that repeats mainly humorous lines (I imagine they would've been overdubbed by other lines) like "fried Calimari tonight!" and "this is the last time I'm flying Lucas Air!".
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Moff Jerjerrod has basically an entire subplot lumped together in one long deleted scene, where he is choked by Vader but lives, and is later given the order to turn the Death Star to destroy Endor if they lose the shield.
That was in the novelization. I always thought that would have been great to be in the film as it added much more urgency to Lando's team in blowing up the Death Star.
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Yeah, he actually orders the firing to commence as well. I have to imagine the reason it wasn't included was that it was even more like the A New Hope Death Star run than it already was.
Jerjerrod actually had a really big part in the first few drafts of Jedi. I liked the idea of him being at odds with Vader, since the Empire was kinda split between people who were loyal to the Emperor (Jerjerrod) and people who were more loyal to Vader (Piett). But ultimately I think it's better in the later drafts so that there isn't someone else constantly talking down to Vader and him just eating it up.
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It's definitely more strenuous to get light side points. I've played through the game a few times, and I still feel bad in real life about some of the things I did for dark side points.
That is the way of the Force, padawan.
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since the Empire was kinda split between people who were loyal to the Emperor (Jerjerrod) and people who were more loyal to Vader (Piett).
Ehh? Really?
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Here's a dumb question, but what would the tactical advantage of blowing up Endor be? Moff Jerjerrod was informed of fighters entering the super structure before he gave the order to fire, so even if they did destroy it, moments later the fighters would still reach the core. And it wasn't like Yavin where the centralized rebel alliance would be wiped out completely if the planet was destroyed. On Endor there was a only a small strike team.
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Here's a dumb question, but what would the tactical advantage of blowing up Endor be? Moff Jerjerrod was informed of fighters entering the super structure before he gave the order to fire, so even if they did destroy it, moments later the fighters would still reach the core. And it wasn't like Yavin where the centralized rebel alliance would be wiped out completely if the planet was destroyed. On Endor there was a only a small strike team.
Easy, it would have prevented the two or so Ewok movie spinoffs that came out later.
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I agree that it wouldn't of been of much use to blow up Endor, but in the long run, they way things did go essentially guaranteed that its wildlife would be almost completely wiped out over a long period of time.
Google Endor Extinction event or something like that, and there's an entire site dedicated to this theory.
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It's its own TVTrope:
No Endor Holocaust (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoEndorHolocaust)
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I agree that it wouldn't of been of much use to blow up Endor, but in the long run, they way things did go essentially guaranteed that its wildlife would be almost completely wiped out over a long period of time.
Google Endor Extinction event or something like that, and there's an entire site dedicated to this theory.
I just found it and skimmed it briefly. It's amazing the things people will waste their life on.
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Here's a dumb question, but what would the tactical advantage of blowing up Endor be?
There isn't any. I thought of it as being the empire's farewell Fuck You to the alliance.
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Question: why didn't the rebels blow up the shield generator from the air? Wouldn't that have been way easier?
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I think the reason they didn't do it was because running into the energy shield with a ship would result in the ship going explosimo, and hence, it woulda been too much of a risk of machinery trying to destroy it from the air.
Odds are, you could probably go to Wookeepedia to read about that specific model of generator and find out exactly why it couldn't be taken out from the air.
I'd do the research for you, but I don't care too much about the EU. Not much of it lives up to the OT.
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Question: why didn't the rebels blow up the shield generator from the air? Wouldn't that have been way easier?
I assume because they'd have blown their cover by then. If they start sending in fighter ships to blow up the shields, then those show up on radar.
Of course the Emperor knew it all already, but they didn't know that.
Also, I had a strange thought. Why did the Emperor need Vader? Seriously, the guy single handedly killed Sam Jackson and also defeated Yoda. He (alone) screwed the entire Jedi council and politically took over the entire galaxy. What was Vader's purpose?
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Well, if Palps died for some reason, Vader'd clearly be the second most effective leader of the empire (as far as Palp knew).
(Honestly, I found Vader to be much more competent than Palpy in the OT. Though, it's not like the Emp had much screentime to do stuff, so yeah)
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When the Palpatine ever come off as incompotent? The only thing he didn't see coming in all 6 movies was Vader turning on him. The entire story was controlled by one extent or another by Palpatine. The man seriously had the powers to kill just about anyone he wanted, also had was smart enough to do anything he wanted.
Vader didn't seem all that necessary.
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I think it's because Vader did all the dirty work for him. Sticking strictly to the films, I'm not sure anyone knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord. In ANH, the folks on the Death Star tell Vader he's the last of his religion without mention of Palpatine. No one but Luke and Vader see Palpatine use the Force in the OT, and those who saw him use it first hand in the PT died or in Yoda's case, ran off.
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So Darth Vader, the name most commonly associated with awesome in the sci-fi world has been reduced to a front man to make sure the main guy doesn't have to move around too much?
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Okay, I definitely misrepresented my thoughts, there. Incompetent was definitely not the right word. (I goofed there) :facepalm:
It's just that, in like, ESB and ROTJ, it really seemed like Palp was, not weak (I mean, he was still shooting lightning and all), but past his peak. He was still very smart, but I mean, he seemed pretty much good and fine with his executive position. While Palp was handling most of the upper affairs, pulling the strings, coming up with the big ideas, Vader would actually go around and execute the plans and generally take more of the active role in getting the Empire's agendas through. Palps= brains of the operation, Vader= Muscles.
Vader was very intelligent and strong himself, but was more enforcing Palp's shit than anything else. However, Palps wouldn't be doing what he was without having someone as powerful as Vader as his right-hand. And, eventually, if he died off, Vader'd be the best person to take over the throne.
That's my guess.
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Palp was not weak ever. He just liked to appear that way in order to confuse the enemy.
Luke was supposed to be the only guy who could tip the balance in the favor of the Jedi, and Palp took him out immediately. If Vader hadn't turned, Palpatine would have killed Luke any time he wanted.
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I guess the Emp's having Vader do most of the shit was part of his feigning weakness.
I mean, it'd be pretty clear to everyone how strong Palp actually was if he was doing both his and Vader's roles at once.
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Still, a sad role for Vader.
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Isn't having two dudes who can fuck shit up better than having just one?
It's like asking why the Mongols needed Genghis Khan and Subotai.
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Isn't having two dudes who can fuck shit up better than having just one?
It's like asking why the Mongols needed Genghis Khan and Subotai.
I guess............but he didn't do anything really that anyone else couldn't have done.
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Palpatine had incredible foresight and power, but he needed an apprentice to carry on that way of life when he died. He knew Maul and Dooku were only temporary solutions. Vader was "the one".
He was well on his way to becoming twice as powerful as Palpatine, but the lava bath really changed things. If you like "Dark Lord", then Vader figures out he can still be just as strong, but in a different way. Unfortunately he is a walking lightning rod and serves under a guy super powerful with force lightning. Therefore, he cannot take the Emperor alone. Still, in the Emperor's eyes, Vader is competent, but damaged goods. He sees in Luke what he once saw in Anakin, so both Vader and Palpatine originally had dark intentions for Luke.
Short answer, Palps needed an apprentice. since the Empire was kinda split between people who were loyal to the Emperor (Jerjerrod) and people who were more loyal to Vader (Piett).
Ehh? Really?
Pretty much. The early drafts of Jedi had the opening scene roles reversed, with Jerjerrod being the one dishing out shit to Vader, and the two were at odds with each other for the remainder of the script until Vader choked him to death after trying to stop him from seeing Luke (by order of the Emperor). Piett remained loyal and perhaps sympathetic to Vader. That script was more about Vader trying to save his son than the other way around.
Also in the early drafts of Jedi: weird shit. By that I mean the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda playing a part in the duel with Vader, blocking lightning, and eventually coming back to life. That draft left whether or not Vader was redeemed up to the audience as well, since he just tackles the Emperor into lava and they both die. Some interesting things from that draft though was the inclusion of Coruscant (then called Had Abbadon), and Endor was the forest moon of that planet, meant to be a parallel I suppose. Also, there were two Death Stars. Contrary to some rumors, Lando survived the explosion in every known draft of the film.
Here's a dumb question, but what would the tactical advantage of blowing up Endor be? Moff Jerjerrod was informed of fighters entering the super structure before he gave the order to fire, so even if they did destroy it, moments later the fighters would still reach the core. And it wasn't like Yavin where the centralized rebel alliance would be wiped out completely if the planet was destroyed. On Endor there was a only a small strike team.
Perhaps he hoped to do it in time before the ships entered the superstructure, or that his pilots would finish them off. Mainly it would've been to kill Leia, Han, and Chewie to cement Luke's turn to the dark side.
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I'm guessing that Palpatine knew that Vader was the chosen one, so he made sure he was on his side. I think?
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I'm guessing that Palpatine knew that Vader was the chosen one, so he made sure he was on his side. I think?
Sounds fair enough.
He did see pre-Vader a lot during the PT, plus, being a Sith, he probably would have the means of finding out, even if he didn't know him personally.
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I'm guessing that Palpatine knew that Vader was the chosen one, so he made sure he was on his side. I think?
Chosen for what? Aside from killing Palpatine, he didn't do much.
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The prophecy seemed to involve "bringing balance to the force".
His being around and working with Palps kinda had some connection to the number of functioning Jedi to be narrowed down to 2 (Not counting EU as a source).
I'm pretty sure Palp would of had a much more difficult time taking over with way more than 2 Jedi to contend with.
Of course, I'm going by my memory, here; I don't watch the prequels too often.
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The only ones Anakin killed were the.............-sigh-...........younglings (Xenu I hate that word). Palpatines clone troopers killed everyone else. And he easily could have just had a ton of troopers murder all the kids.
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Guess that pokes another hole in Vader being really essential to Palp.
I guess, um, to preserve his dignaty, pretend the prequels didn't happen?
I dunno, really. These sort of continuity issues and logical fallacies that spring up about the series have something to do with why I tend to just forget about 1-3 sometimes.
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This is just a guess, but I think Vader was the guy who went around killing the rest of the Jedi between the events of III and IV.
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I think it's because Vader did all the dirty work for him. Sticking strictly to the films, I'm not sure anyone knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord. In ANH, the folks on the Death Star tell Vader he's the last of his religion without mention of Palpatine. No one but Luke and Vader see Palpatine use the Force in the OT, and those who saw him use it first hand in the PT died or in Yoda's case, ran off.
Weird. I never realized that before. I always assumed everyone just knew the emperor was a sith lord, but maybe few or none knew at all.
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The only ones Anakin killed were the.............-sigh-...........younglings (Xenu I hate that word). Palpatines clone troopers killed everyone else. And he easily could have just had a ton of troopers murder all the kids.
Eh. Even if you ignore the EU (which I do, because I know very little about it), it's impossible to believe that all the Jedi's were killed by Clone Troopers. Someone had to run around killing them, and the best person for that job is Vader. Being a Jedi slayer has to be a somewhat respected position.
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At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
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The only ones Anakin killed were the.............-sigh-...........younglings (Xenu I hate that word). Palpatines clone troopers killed everyone else. And he easily could have just had a ton of troopers murder all the kids.
Eh. Even if you ignore the EU (which I do, because I know very little about it), it's impossible to believe that all the Jedi's were killed by Clone Troopers. Someone had to run around killing them, and the best person for that job is Vader. Being a Jedi slayer has to be a somewhat respected position.
I do as well. However the movies show most Jedi being killed by the Troopers. It's not too far off to assume that they did most if not all of the work. If Vader killed any Jedi, it probably wasn't too many of them. And Palpatine easily could have done it himself.
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Vader DID kill Obi-Wan, and lots of Jedi in the temple. He is the chosen one, and the strongest in raw force power (potential) ever. Of course Palpatine wanted this
I'm guessing that Palpatine knew that Vader was the chosen one, so he made sure he was on his side. I think?
Sounds fair enough.
He did see pre-Vader a lot during the PT, plus, being a Sith, he probably would have the means of finding out, even if he didn't know him personally.
They DID know each other personally. Very, very, very well. Palpatine guided Anakin since he first arrived on Coruscant.
At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
Yes, turning to the dark side elongated the process, but Anakin did fulfill his destiny. There's actually a theory that says he should've died on Mustafar, but he was kept alive because he hadn't fulfilled his purpose yet.
And I'm under the impression that the number of Jedi alive at the end of Revenge of the Sith can be counted on one hand.
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At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
Screw the "prophecy." It was retconned bs.
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Meanwhile, Clone Wars started up again....according to my 8 year old the premier was "ok" but not a home run.
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Pretty much. The early drafts of Jedi had the opening scene roles reversed, with Jerjerrod being the one dishing out shit to Vader, and the two were at odds with each other for the remainder of the script until Vader choked him to death after trying to stop him from seeing Luke (by order of the Emperor). Piett remained loyal and perhaps sympathetic to Vader. That script was more about Vader trying to save his son than the other way around.
Also in the early drafts of Jedi: weird shit. By that I mean the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda playing a part in the duel with Vader, blocking lightning, and eventually coming back to life. That draft left whether or not Vader was redeemed up to the audience as well, since he just tackles the Emperor into lava and they both die. Some interesting things from that draft though was the inclusion of Coruscant (then called Had Abbadon), and Endor was the forest moon of that planet, meant to be a parallel I suppose. Also, there were two Death Stars. Contrary to some rumors, Lando survived the explosion in every known draft of the film.
Interesting. My Star Wars knowledge is solely based off of watching the movies, reading about 25 of the novels, and occaisonally checking out Wookieepedia. So, I had never heard any of that. Cool stuff. :tup
And yeah, that is some weird shit indeed.
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At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
Screw the "prophecy." It was retconned bs.
Retconned? Possibly. Bullshit? Nah. Some of the ideas people complain about, like midi-chlorians, actually were in notes dating all the way back to 1974. So you might be surprised by the foresight. Vader even has Hebrew text on his chest that reads "His deeds will not be forgiven until he merits". Interesting, yeah?
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At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
Screw the "prophecy." It was retconned bs.
Retconned? Possibly. Bullshit? Nah. Some of the ideas people complain about, like midi-chlorians, actually were in notes dating all the way back to 1974. So you might be surprised by the foresight. Vader even has Hebrew text on his chest that reads "His deeds will not be forgiven until he merits". Interesting, yeah?
Wait what?
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At the end of the day, Vader did fufill the prophecy by killing Palpatine and effectively killing himself, as he did destroy the Sith, he just went the long way around it :lol
Screw the "prophecy." It was retconned bs.
Retconned? Possibly. Bullshit? Nah. Some of the ideas people complain about, like midi-chlorians, actually were in notes dating all the way back to 1974. So you might be surprised by the foresight. Vader even has Hebrew text on his chest that reads "His deeds will not be forgiven until he merits". Interesting, yeah?
Wait what?
(https://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/laserdisk/bonus/STARWARS_BONUS-02.jpg)
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What the hell is the in-universe explanation for that?
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According to the wiki on his armor, "a canonical reason for this has not been put forth."
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Maybe he got drunk and lost a bet so he had to get that tattooed. Happens to the best of us.
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So I'm watching Phantom Menace on Blu Ray right now.
Looks great. But based on the acting and the writing, this is seriously like a very high budget Ed Wood movie.
Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
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So I'm watching Phantom Menace on Blu Ray right now.
Looks great. But based on the acting and the writing, this is seriously like a very high budget Ed Wood movie.
Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
Not to mention the scrolling text in TPM says two Jedi Knights were sent to negotiate, but Obi-Wan wasn't given the rank of Jedi Knight until the end of the movie!
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I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT!
George Lucas continues to deepen the entry of his penis into the anus of my child hood.
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Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
Problem being? There are billions of systems in our galaxy alone. Plus, every original trilogy planet was in a separate system.
So I'm watching Phantom Menace on Blu Ray right now.
Looks great. But based on the acting and the writing, this is seriously like a very high budget Ed Wood movie.
Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
Not to mention the scrolling text in TPM says two Jedi Knights were sent to negotiate, but Obi-Wan wasn't given the rank of Jedi Knight until the end of the movie!
It's really used as a moniker. The opening scroll of The Empire Strikes Back says that the Rebel Alliance is led by Luke Skywalker. This isn't really a problem since it's used for general story purposes centering on the main characters.
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Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
Problem being? There are billions of systems in our galaxy alone. Plus, every original trilogy planet was in a separate system.
There's only one solar system in all of the universe. It's ours, named after our star Sol. Everything else is a Star System. There's only one solar system, and there's only one sun. Sci-fi shows and movies that screw that up just bug me a bit.
Luckily it wasn't the worst part about AOTC.
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Luckily it wasn't the worst part about AOTC.
I think you mean "unfortunately"... I wish that was my biggest complaint with the movie.
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Luckily it wasn't the worst part about AOTC.
I think you mean "unfortunately"... I wish that was my biggest complaint with the movie.
Touche. But seriously, they really are like high budget Ed Wood movies.
I think George just needs to realize his strengths and weaknesses. He is AMAZING at telling a good story, he is also amazing at coming up with interesting worlds, characters etc. The only things he needs to stop doing is writing screenplays and directing. If the prequels would have had good writers doing the dialogue and good directors shooting on more than just a huge green screen they really could have been great movies.
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Just started AOTC. Just finished the scrolling text at the beginning and it already pissed me off. "Thousands of Solar Systems"? Really George? There are multiple Solar Systems?
Problem being? There are billions of systems in our galaxy alone. Plus, every original trilogy planet was in a separate system.
There's only one solar system in all of the universe. It's ours, named after our star Sol. Everything else is a Star System. There's only one solar system, and there's only one sun. Sci-fi shows and movies that screw that up just bug me a bit.
Luckily it wasn't the worst part about AOTC.
Semantics. :\
And since we're back to hating, I'm ducking out of this thread. I finished Return of the Jedi just a bit a go and I have to say I love the blu-ray set as a whole. I had a wonderful time watching them and I'm sure I'll enjoy them many more times to come.
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lol it's not that big of a deal.
But I finished the prequel trilogy, and yea great story just horribly executed. I don't hate it, but I don't really enjoy much of it. However I am very much looking forward to the original trilogy and those are just same great movies. :)
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I don't think it's a great story at all.
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I don't think it's a great story at all.
I know you don't sweety. I'd be worried if you did.
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So I've got a 2 year old kid who's really into Star Wars now and he's led me to see the films in a new light and gain a new appreciation for them. Yes the prequels are fairly stupid, yes the changes to the OT are fairly annoying and yes it's quite annoying that Georgey boy won't release the original versions we all know and love in a quality format. But really, what are you gonna do? (Other than not buy the new versions and/or bitch about them on the internet for all eternity). My opinion is, and has been for awhile, that they are kid's/family movies. Not meant to be taken super cereal. I'm not really one to cry "omg raping my childhood" either. My childhood is far behind me. There's a ton of things I dug during childhood that I now realize are stupid, but I still look at them with fond nostalgia because at the time they brought me happiness. We all loved these movies when we were kids, and kids these days love them. That's it. The end. Cue Ewok dance party!
P.S.- I'm not trying to tell the complainers to stop complaining. By all means, bitch on! That is your God-given right as citizens of the internets. I'm just throwing in my two cents, for what it's worth (which is not much).
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Touche. But seriously, they really are like high budget Ed Wood movies.
I think George just needs to realize his strengths and weaknesses. He is AMAZING at telling a good story, he is also amazing at coming up with interesting worlds, characters etc. The only things he needs to stop doing is writing screenplays and directing. If the prequels would have had good writers doing the dialogue and good directors shooting on more than just a huge green screen they really could have been great movies.
He also needs to stop casting. Hayden was downright awful.
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So I'm watching A New Hope, so far at the part where they destroy Alderaan.
WTF, why did I never notice that Leia was speaking in a british accent?
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Well looks like she dropped the accent. Strange.
Anywho, so that scene where Obi-Wan is fighting Vader, and right before Vader strikes him down, Luke says "Ben?" and Obi-Wan looks at him, then looks at Vader with a smirk................what an amazing moment. God damnit Alec Guiness, I know you hated the movies but you really were amazing.
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Well looks like she dropped the accent. Strange.
Anywho, so that scene where Obi-Wan is fighting Vader, and right before Vader strikes him down, Luke says "Ben?" and Obi-Wan looks at him, then looks at Vader with a smirk................what an amazing moment. God damnit Alec Guiness, I know you hated the movies but you really were amazing.
That's Sir Alec Guiness, and don't you forget it!
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Sorry son.
Just finishing up A New Hope. God damn this was a great movie, especially after watching the Prequels. It just had heart, charisma, character, boobs, and genuineness. Things the prequels generally lacked.
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Isn't having two dudes who can fuck shit up better than having just one?
It's like asking why the Mongols needed Genghis Khan and Subotai.
:tup
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Sorry son.
Just finishing up A New Hope. God damn this was a great movie, especially after watching the Prequels. It just had heart, charisma, character, boobs, and genuineness. Things the prequels generally lacked.
It's ok dad. You're still #1.
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One important thing I think that distinguishes the two is that in 4-6, things took time to develop: stories, relationships, dialogue. Things feel so rushed in 1-3. I know GL was trying to fit in many plot elements, action sequences and such. But ultimately the overall was sacrificed. Think about the important dialogue scenes in 4-6; then compare them to the important ones in 1-3. Anakin declaring his love for Padme by the fire, for example. That scene lasts, what, 20 seconds? And it follows some equally abrupt and weak scenes of them together. “Obi-Wan doesn’t like when I use the force to move fruit across the table blah blah blah.” Their relationship doesn’t have time to develop, so that we don’t accept that there could be one. But yet, when Leia tells Han she loves him, we don’t doubt her for a second, because of how it was build up.
This makes more sense in my mind than it does now that I read this…
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I don't think the timing's the issue. The OT were pretty densely plotted as well. They were on the Death Star 45 minutes into Star Wars.
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So I've got a 2 year old kid who's really into Star Wars now and he's led me to see the films in a new light and gain a new appreciation for them. Yes the prequels are fairly stupid, yes the changes to the OT are fairly annoying and yes it's quite annoying that Georgey boy won't release the original versions we all know and love in a quality format. But really, what are you gonna do? (Other than not buy the new versions and/or bitch about them on the internet for all eternity). My opinion is, and has been for awhile, that they are kid's/family movies. Not meant to be taken super cereal. I'm not really one to cry "omg raping my childhood" either. My childhood is far behind me. There's a ton of things I dug during childhood that I now realize are stupid, but I still look at them with fond nostalgia because at the time they brought me happiness. We all loved these movies when we were kids, and kids these days love them. That's it. The end. Cue Ewok dance party!
P.S.- I'm not trying to tell the complainers to stop complaining. By all means, bitch on! That is your God-given right as citizens of the internets. I'm just throwing in my two cents, for what it's worth (which is not much).
In the 70s and 80s when critics complained that Star Wars was essentially a children's film, Lucas responded that the story of Star Wars was actually quite dark and ought to be taken seriously. When he released the prequels and critics wondered where the dark story and seriousness they had given to the OT were, Lucas responded that they were children's films.
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I don't think the timing's the issue. The OT were pretty densely plotted as well. They were on the Death Star 45 minutes into Star Wars.
Yeah, the prequel's problem is how almost sterile and businesslike the plot is. Wait so we're supposed to actually care about intergalactic trade politics and its repercussions if we want know the motives behind major characters? Yeah, pass.
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In the 70s and 80s when critics complained that Star Wars was essentially a children's film, Lucas responded that the story of Star Wars was actually quite dark and ought to be taken seriously. When he released the prequels and critics wondered where the dark story and seriousness they had given to the OT were, Lucas responded that they were children's films.
I hate bringing those RLM reviews up in SW discussions, but when I hear the "they're kids movies" comments I can't help picturing the bits where the two kids are sitting in front of the TV watching the boring political talk. Or Anikan killing the kids. Or Anikan being burned alive. :lol
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In the 70s and 80s when critics complained that Star Wars was essentially a children's film, Lucas responded that the story of Star Wars was actually quite dark and ought to be taken seriously. When he released the prequels and critics wondered where the dark story and seriousness they had given to the OT were, Lucas responded that they were children's films.
I hate bringing those RLM reviews up in SW discussions, but when I hear the "they're kids movies" comments I can't help picturing the bits where the two kids are sitting in front of the TV watching the boring political talk. Or Anikan killing the kids. Or Anikan being burned alive. :lol
Good points for sure, but that's why I said that it's just my opinion and I'm in no way trying to say that criticism of the series shouldn't continue. I guess it's just when I see comments like "omg it says two jedi knights but obi-wan wasn't a jedi knight till the end of the movie! what bullshit!" I can't help but think that maybe we should :chill a bit and not take the whole thing so seriously. When I'm seeing how much fun my kid has playing lightsabers and stuff it helps me ignore all the dumb crap in Star Wars and focus on the fun stuff. And yes, of course they're not "kid's movies" like Madagascar or something like that but come on, they don't exactly make lunchpails and breakfast cereals and flamethrowers (the kids love this one) for every movie out there. There's no official Black Swan action figures (I suppose mainly because we'd all just have our Nina and Lily figures make out with each other).
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Well the whole point in bringing up the Jedi Knights thing is to kinda prove that for someone who is so desperate to shove in everyone's face how much Star Wars is his and he's the only one who knows right George Lucas pays little attention to simple detail and stupid mistakes like that. So yes it very much is valid criticism, especially in showcasing how sloppy and amateurish Lucas has handled the entire Prequel Trilogy and beyond.
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And actually my point is Lucas can't get away with the "it's for kids" excuse considering he's actually contradicting himself, or in other words, excusing himself.
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I don't think the timing's the issue. The OT were pretty densely plotted as well. They were on the Death Star 45 minutes into Star Wars.
I want to chime in one last time because this simply isn't true. They land on the Death Star at about 65 minutes in. As far as plot density, the prequels have a lot more going on than the originals, I don't think that can really be debated. So whether that is a good or bad thing is up to you.
I will agree that the biggest problem of The Phantom Menace was that it was trying to be child-friendly and adult at the same time, due to the complexity of the plot.
Well the whole point in bringing up the Jedi Knights thing is to kinda prove that for someone who is so desperate to shove in everyone's face how much Star Wars is his and he's the only one who knows right George Lucas pays little attention to simple detail and stupid mistakes like that. So yes it very much is valid criticism, especially in showcasing how sloppy and amateurish Lucas has handled the entire Prequel Trilogy and beyond.
No offense to you personally, but this is really absurd. :lol
I get that you guys don't like the prequel films, and you guys are entitled to those opinions and I won't try to change them. But I do feel that many of you are missing out on some great stuff for one reason or another. Judging by all the posts and comments I've read on the topic over the years, I think it's safe to say I enjoy Star Wars more than anyone else here, but I think there is an inherent danger in protecting the divinity in something that is not divine. There are lots of things the originals do (not in a good way) that they get away with that the prequels are maligned for when they do a similar thing, if not the exact same thing. If there existed in the prequels a logic gap as big as Leia's behavior and actions in A New Hope, I would certainly still be reading about it on these boards today.
I mean, the woman was making snarky height jokes within possibly hours of her home planet being destroyed. Also, knowing they were being tracked, willingly led the Empire to the Rebel Base she worked so hard to hide. But hey that's Star Wars, right? :biggrin:
I get the complaints. I do. The problem I see is that many think I'm cinema illiterate or some other derogatory term for enjoying these films or thinking that they're *gasp* good in many ways. I've seen all the snarky jabs, ridiculous claims, legitimate criticisms and even personal attacks. I've been through a lot of film school though (I'm an MA), and I don't say that to mean that my opinion is worth any more than anyone's here, quite the opposite, I mean that in the sense that I've had enough theory and criticism training to know that my opinion is NOT more valuable than anyone else's here, but I DO know what I'm talking about. But keep in mind that your opinions on the films are just that, and nobody here is entitled to their own set of facts, the prequels were not very ill-received by critics (ROTS was actually quite favorable) and they are enjoyed a much wider audience than most films ever will be (weird to think about, I know).
Just wanted to get that out of the way. Carry on.
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And actually my point is Lucas can't get away with the "it's for kids" excuse considering he's actually contradicting himself, or in other words, excusing himself.
Dude, we need to stop paying attention to what Lucas says, that fool's crazy! When you get that rich it starts to mess with your brain, maybe it has something to do with the dye they use in $100 bills, I don't know. I'll quote the wise Alexander Knox- "The rich. You know why they're so odd? Because they can afford to be."
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Weird question, and it's been awhile since i watched star wars but... can Jedi Knights take apprentices? Or is it only jedi masters? And if the latter, how come Anakin took an apprentice before he became a jedi master?
I can't remember if that was explained in the clone wars movie, and i havent watched any of the episodes, but it might not even be an issue so I DONT KNOW
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Weird question, and it's been awhile since i watched star wars but... can Jedi Knights take apprentices? Or is it only jedi masters? And if the latter, how come Anakin took an apprentice before he became a jedi master?
I can't remember if that was explained in the clone wars movie, and i havent watched any of the episodes, but it might not even be an issue so I DONT KNOW
You become a master once you have successfully trained your first apprentice into knighthood.
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As far as plot density, the prequels have a lot more going on than the originals, I don't think that can really be debated. So whether that is a good or bad thing is up to you.
The thing is, they have a ton of things going on, but they never really develop anything nearly enough. The stakes are rarely clear, and none of the elements in play are given breathing room to grow into anything. In the originals, there are fewer things going on, which gives each series of events more time to play out, each character more time to be developed, and it allows the viewer to make more of a connection.
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Plus the ones in the original were actually interesting. I never saw the main storyline of the prequels as anything other than a lazy vehicle to carry the Anakin transformation so even if you were into that character arc you had to wade through a bunch of a crap to get to anything to like.
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I want TOR inside me.
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Oh my God. One nap after and we're into the 1:05:00 mark and they just entered the Death Star. The additions George Lucas did to this Blu-Ray Special Edition is really dense and it's making the movie REALLY boring. The special effects are terrible, the CGI Jabba was just too much.
I really hope TESB is going to be much better. My lack of faith is disturbing.
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Oh my God. One nap after and we're into the 1:05:00 mark and they just entered the Death Star. The additions George Lucas did to this Blu-Ray Special Edition is really dense and it's making the movie REALLY boring. The special effects are terrible, the CGI Jabba was just too much.
I really hope TESB is going to be much better. My lack of faith is disturbing.
Some of them are pretty bad, but I've just gotten used to them. My biggest beef is that animal the obscures the camera for no good reason in Mos Eisley. I haven't watched TESB yet, but I believe it's the least modified version of them all.
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So far so good. Some minor tweaks here and there (I'm still at Hoth) but not THAT bad like in the first 2/3 of A New Hope.
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Some of the technical fixes (removing black lines, filling in transparencies, etc) are great fixes. The ones that meddle with the storyline aren't.
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Oh my God. One nap after and we're into the 1:05:00 mark and they just entered the Death Star. The additions George Lucas did to this Blu-Ray Special Edition is really dense and it's making the movie REALLY boring. The special effects are terrible, the CGI Jabba was just too much.
I really hope TESB is going to be much better. My lack of faith is disturbing.
Pretty sure those were done for the special editions way back when.
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Made it through the prequels. They all look fantastic; even better than I had expected. I thought that the CGI aspects of some, particularly Episode I, would come off cheesy looking with a clearer picture but somehow it made them look better.
Obviously the real test is the OT, hoping to watch IV tomorrow.
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Is it true that ESB is the least tweaked film of all of them?
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Is it true that ESB is the least tweaked film of all of them?
From what I've read, yes.
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
Oh wow, where can I see that? Did Hayden say the same?
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
Oh wow, where can I see that? Did Hayden say the same?
First bonus disk on the blu rays has show interviews randomly thrown in there. And yea Hayden actually seems like a cool guy, his mess ups were pretty damn funny. But he talked about how the whole movie hard it was because there was so little direction given to anyone. Every Star Wars actor (even the originals) complained that George has no idea how to direct actors. Plus, when you have Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor etc all giving horrible performances, the problem can't simply be with them. Hayden was pretty good in that Shattered Glass movie, so I blame every problem with the movie on George Lucas because he's an awful writer/director.
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
Oh wow, where can I see that? Did Hayden say the same?
First bonus disk on the blu rays has show interviews randomly thrown in there. And yea Hayden actually seems like a cool guy, his mess ups were pretty damn funny. But he talked about how the whole movie hard it was because there was so little direction given to anyone. Every Star Wars actor (even the originals) complained that George has no idea how to direct actors. Plus, when you have Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor etc all giving horrible performances, the problem can't simply be with them. Hayden was pretty good in that Shattered Glass movie, so I blame every problem with the movie on George Lucas because he's an awful writer/director.
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But seriously, that's interesting.
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I still like Ewan McGregor's interview on Top Gear when he's talking about filming his final scene in ROTS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprYaqOEAoA
About a minute in.
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It's certainly enlightening. I hope someone puts up the aforementioned blu-ray interviews somewhere.
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Seriously, Lucas? Enough already!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thIL9UVABhE
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I still like Ewan McGregor's interview on Top Gear when he's talking about filming his final scene in ROTS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprYaqOEAoA
About a minute in.
Do you have another source? That one has been removed.
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This might be it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08pO0nDCPA
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This man probably deserves his own thread, but: https://youtu.be/U61MnRPve0g
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This might be it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08pO0nDCPA
I was watching Jonathan Ross' chat show last night, and Ewan told that exact anecdote (albeit in more detail).
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I'm interested, do elaborate.
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Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlc01vH8kLU
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
Oh wow, where can I see that? Did Hayden say the same?
First bonus disk on the blu rays has show interviews randomly thrown in there. And yea Hayden actually seems like a cool guy, his mess ups were pretty damn funny. But he talked about how the whole movie hard it was because there was so little direction given to anyone. Every Star Wars actor (even the originals) complained that George has no idea how to direct actors. Plus, when you have Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor etc all giving horrible performances, the problem can't simply be with them. Hayden was pretty good in that Shattered Glass movie, so I blame every problem with the movie on George Lucas because he's an awful writer/director.
Here's the thing though - in the originals, the acting was, for the most part, pretty damn good. The actors may complain, but they did a GREAT job. Alec Guinness, Ford, Fisher, Jones, even Hamill was great (in his role). But in the prequels, everyone except McDiarmid was horrible. Was it the blue screens, as Ewan attested to? Maybe.
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After watching the interviews with the actors from the prequels, I can no longer blame them for their horrid performances. They all talked about how it was nearly impossible to have any idea what the hell was going on during their shoots.
Oh wow, where can I see that? Did Hayden say the same?
First bonus disk on the blu rays has show interviews randomly thrown in there. And yea Hayden actually seems like a cool guy, his mess ups were pretty damn funny. But he talked about how the whole movie hard it was because there was so little direction given to anyone. Every Star Wars actor (even the originals) complained that George has no idea how to direct actors. Plus, when you have Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor etc all giving horrible performances, the problem can't simply be with them. Hayden was pretty good in that Shattered Glass movie, so I blame every problem with the movie on George Lucas because he's an awful writer/director.
Here's the thing though - in the originals, the acting was, for the most part, pretty damn good. The actors may complain, but they did a GREAT job. Alec Guinness, Ford, Fisher, Jones, even Hamill was great (in his role). But in the prequels, everyone except McDiarmid was horrible. Was it the blue screens, as Ewan attested to? Maybe.
Yes but note that those same actors complained about George directing when he was directing. George did not direct ESB or ROTJ.
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IMO thats why ESB is the best
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Mine too. I believe someone in this thread mentioned that that same director publicly stated that George does not make films, he makes movies. I think his work on ESB shows that.
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Here's the thing though - in the originals, the acting was, for the most part, pretty damn good. The actors may complain, but they did a GREAT job. Alec Guinness, Ford, Fisher, Jones, even Hamill was great (in his role). But in the prequels, everyone except McDiarmid was horrible. Was it the blue screens, as Ewan attested to? Maybe.
Even McDiarmid was bad in ROTS. But in fairness, I think he intentionally chose to just give up on really acting and enjoy the paycheck. You can tell tell he makes a mental switch right at the "I am the Senate" line, which sounds so unnecessarily ridiculous. I imagine that this conversation happened:
George "Okay, so Ian, this is the scene where the Anakin converts into Darth Vader."
Ian "Yeah. I figured I'd read it ahead of time so I could mentally prepare."
George "The emperor in this scene has to be really evil. He's been hiding his true nature for years, but now he can finally show it."
Ian "Yeah. Like, you put the makeup on where we see his true evil physically revealed, and I think that's a physical metaphor for his emotional state."
George "The makeup means he's evil, right. So for this scene, I was really thinking about old monster movies like Frankenstein when I wrote it."*
Ian "Hm. I never really thought of the Emperor as just an all out monster. I mean, he's monstrous emotionally, but his manner is very sophisticated."
George "He was pretending to be sophisticated before."
Ian "I was just thinking about how in Jedi where you could see his hate burning beneath the surface, and before he shocked Luke with the lightning he was almost scarily polite."
George "Ummm.... We're getting off topic here. This is the prequel trilogy, they're different movies."
Ian "They certainly are."
George "Hm?"
Ian "Sorry, just talking to myself."
George "Okay. Anyway, just make sure Palpatine is really evil. His voice should be really deep, but have a sinister snarl to it."
Ian "Doing that requires two completely different vocal techniques. I'd like to choose one of them and really develop it."
George "No, it will work. Like, when you say 'Once more the Sith will rule the Galaxy!' make sure it's super evil sounding. But earlier in the scene, when he's talking to Anakin about cheating death, it should sound really even and creepy."
Ian "So basically, I should talk in a different voice depending on the moment."
George "Exactly!"
Ian "And you really just want me to play up how evil the character is."
George "Now you're getting it."
Ian "Alright George, I'll take care of it. Thank god I'm an established Shakespearean actor and this won't possibly ruin my reputation."
George "What?"
Ian "Sorry, talking to myself again."
George "Oh, okay."
I should mention though that the scene where he tells the Darth Plagueis story, even though it kinda doesn't make sense on a number of levels, is one of the best scenes in Star Wars, purely because of McDiarmid's acting.
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Here's the thing though - in the originals, the acting was, for the most part, pretty damn good. The actors may complain, but they did a GREAT job. Alec Guinness, Ford, Fisher, Jones, even Hamill was great (in his role). But in the prequels, everyone except McDiarmid was horrible. Was it the blue screens, as Ewan attested to? Maybe.
I should mention though that the scene where he tells the Darth Plagueis story, even though it kinda doesn't make sense on a number of levels, is one of the best scenes in Star Wars, purely because of McDiarmid's acting.
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Agreed. That scene makes the entire movie watchable.
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Mine too. I believe someone in this thread mentioned that that same director publicly stated that George does not make films, he makes movies. I think his work on ESB shows that.
The difference between a film and a movie is...?
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Here's the thing though - in the originals, the acting was, for the most part, pretty damn good. The actors may complain, but they did a GREAT job. Alec Guinness, Ford, Fisher, Jones, even Hamill was great (in his role). But in the prequels, everyone except McDiarmid was horrible. Was it the blue screens, as Ewan attested to? Maybe.
I should mention though that the scene where he tells the Darth Plagueis story, even though it kinda doesn't make sense on a number of levels, is one of the best scenes in Star Wars, purely because of McDiarmid's acting.
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Agreed. That scene makes the entire movie watchable.
I honestly thought Ewan McGregor did a great job. They gave him a couple of awful lines nobody could salvage, but scenes with him were typically bright spots.
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Mine too. I believe someone in this thread mentioned that that same director publicly stated that George does not make films, he makes movies. I think his work on ESB shows that.
The difference between a film and a movie is...?
I just meant in the sense of a film for its artistic value or a movie for its commercial value. Those weren't his actual words, I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly how he phrased it.
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I honestly thought Ewan McGregor did a great job. They gave him a couple of awful lines nobody could salvage, but scenes with him were typically bright spots.
I thought he was legitimately good in ROTS. He was able to carry the character with more of a sense of humor (remember, Obi-Wan in the OT generally had a sense of humor about him), and the drama didn't feel overwrought. Tom Stoppard was able to help him out some.
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Mine too. I believe someone in this thread mentioned that that same director publicly stated that George does not make films, he makes movies. I think his work on ESB shows that.
The difference between a film and a movie is...?
I just meant in the sense of a film for its artistic value or a movie for its commercial value. Those weren't his actual words, I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly how he phrased it.
Got it. Different connotations.
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For all the Star Wars geeks that take geekiness to a higher level, Pottery Barn Kids has a sale on their Star Wars flannel sheet sets.
Twin $47
Full $71
Queen $87
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As expected, they're bringing Darth Maul back from the dead for The Clone Wars. lol. Now his death in TPM has no real meaning or impact. Anything to sell more toys and increase ratings. They can't think of interesting new characters, so they regurgitate a guy who was SLICED IN HALF 12 years ago.
I liked the first two seasons of that show better than the prequels, but man did it fall into the abyss (like Maul) in the third season. Just horrendous.
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I'm not sure why it matters that his death has no meaning or impact; his presence didn't, either.
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The show has indeed been going downhill since the middle of the second season. Bringing Maul back to life is an inexcusably awful idea.
From the announcement about it on EW.com:
"Fans will note that there is precedent for this kind of resurrection. “The Dark Side of the Force is the path to many abilities some consider to be…unnatural,” Darth Sidious says in Revenge of the Sith. Sidious and his master found a way to use the Force to cheat death—that’s how he was able to keep Vader alive after that little swan dive into a lava field."
I guess I missed that part of the movie.
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I'm not sure why it matters that his death has no meaning or impact; his presence didn't, either.
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Guys, it wasn't Darth Maul. It was his clone. They've popped up before.
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Oh of course, how silly are we? :facepalm:
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I'm not sure why it matters that his death has no meaning or impact; his presence didn't, either.
I know you were just being snarky, but this obviously affects a lot more, mainly opening a can of worms (Maul arguably had the most convincing on screen death in all of the films, whose death CAN'T be explained away now) and cheapening Qui-Gon and Sidious.
And also consider what they could possibly benefit from for bringing him back. He still has to die (probably), and if it's just to die against Obi-Wan again, what's the point? If he dies to Anakin, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but okay. If he dies to Ahsoka, that's beyond inexcusable.
But having Darth Maul alive again makes Anakin having an apprentice between Episodes II and III seem like the most minor of continuity errors.
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There have been millions of continuity errors in the Star Wars universe, and they'll never be solved. Darth Maul's clones are the least of my worries compared to how Chewie dies. That's shit's just weird.
As far as I know, Maul survived the pitfall, recreated a metal attachment for legs, and found Obi-Wan on Tatooine sometime after Ben dropped Luke off with his aunt and uncle. It took him a hella long time to find him, and I think his reasoning for tracking him down was because he was the only jedi to defeat him. Nonetheless, I think he still gets his (mechanical) ass handed to him.
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I'm not a huge fan of the EU to be honest. Didn't Chewie die from being crushed by a moon or something? :lol
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I mean I've personally decided that the only Star Wars and Star Wars-related material I'll ever acknowledge are things related to the Original Trilogy + the KoTORs, so...
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Didn't Chewie die from being crushed by a moon or something? :lol
The way it was explained to me was Chewie wanted to see if he could keep the moon from colliding with the planet he was on (I think it was Kashyyk, or however you spell it). So he stayed behind, held his arms up in a ready stance to brace it...and got crushed like a dumb cockroach.
WTF
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I'm not a huge fan of the EU to be honest. Didn't Chewie die from being crushed by a moon or something? :lol
If it didn't happen on a film screen, it didn't happen. The EU is glorified fan fiction.
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I'm not a huge fan of the EU to be honest. Didn't Chewie die from being crushed by a moon or something? :lol
If it didn't happen on a film screen, it didn't happen. The EU is glorified fan fiction.
That's how I feel as well. But people who embrace the EU books as canon are quick to point out that the EU books are technically canon.
I had some friends who were really into the books, and I tried one or two, but just couldn't get into them. They indeed just felt like fan fiction, more stories with some of the same characters, strictly for those who can't get enough. I'm really glad I didn't read about Chewie dying like that. I'm sure it was meant to be a noble attempt and all that, but come on, attempting to physically intervene between two astromonical bodies? The real Chewbacca couldn't possibly be that stupid.
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Well this is what's on Wookiepedia:
Han, Chewie, and Anakin (apparently his youngest son wtf) were evacuating people off the doomed planet.
"As the winds picked up, Anakin was knocked into the distance, causing Chewie to run after him. Chewie was able to bring Anakin to safety on the Falcon, but another blast of wind knocked him out of reach. Anakin piloted the Falcon, while his father stood on the entrance ramp hoping to lift Chewie up, but was forced to flee from Sernpidal when he realized it was too late to save Chewie. The Wookiee stood in the moon's trajectory, howling defiantly, and was crushed to death with those Sernpidalians who could not escape. His death drove Han to a resentment of his son Anakin. Han eventually recovered and forgave his son, but the death of his battle-brother and dearest companion would stick with him forever."
Not quite as stupid as Chewbacca thinking he can just palm a moon to stop it, but still...meh.
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Why the fuck would Han call is son Anakin?
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Because bad writers can't come up with good names on their own.
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Fanfic writers always do that, and it sucks. Yes, sometimes people name their kids after old, dear friends, and sometimes after their own mom or dad or favorite uncle or whomever. But it seems to happen every time in fanfic.
And in real fic, too. I probably shouldn't go there, but that last scene in the last Harry Potter movie (okay yeah I went there) with the "next generation" of Hogwart's students was actually kinda cool. We know Hogwart's is still around and presumably doing alright. We know who ended up with whom, and of course then all have kids now. Then Harry stooped down to say goodbye to son, Ronald James Albus Severus Sirius John Paul George Ringo Neil Geddy Alex Potter. What the fuck was that about?
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Well, Anakin did bring balance to the force, if you're gonna name your kid after someone it might as well be him.
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I think it's more like Han's wife/baby-momma is Leia, and she named one of her kids after her dad. That sort of thing does happen from time to time in real life, yeah?
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Ah yes, I'd heard that Leia and Han end up getting married. It does make sense for the kid to be named after Leia's father. I was thinking of it more like Han naming his kid after Luke's dad, which would be weird.
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I'm not a huge fan of the EU to be honest. Didn't Chewie die from being crushed by a moon or something? :lol
If it didn't happen on a film screen, it didn't happen. The EU is glorified fan fiction.
Agreed.
And the Maul coming back on mechanical legs and fighting Obi-Wan wasn't even on the EU level of "canon" it was a visionaries thing, a "what if" scenario if you will.
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My 5 and 4 year old sons began asking me questions about the back of the Honey Nut Cheerio boxes a few weeks ago. They are heavily promoting the re-re-re-re-release of the Star Wars trilogy. So I explained the characters to them, which led to me buying them a couple coloring books.....which led to the cool little light sabers that extend and make authentic noise......which led to the Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker outfits we just bought for Halloween.
Not ten minutes ago I came across the first Re-release DVD package I had bought those years ago and it hadn't even been opened. they immediately swarmed me and grabbed the DVDs and were really just digging the outside of the DVD cases. My wife asked me what the rating was for the movies and I told her PG......so it looks like this Saturday night me and the boys will be carving up some pumkins then heading to the family room for thier first real Star Wars experience. :metal How the small things in life make you tear up a bit.
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Awesome! :tup
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I've been loving Star Wars for like ten years but there's two things in A New Hope that I still find a bit strange...
1) Obi-Wan's death. Why did he just let Vader kill him? He may have if not won, then at least survived the duel; and he knew he definitely is an important person for the rebels. I find it strange.
2) The destruction of Alderaan. It's the greatest crime the Empire has ever committed, yet after the initial reactions, it's basically never mentioned later.
These two things are just a bit confusing for me, I love everything else. And yes, the new trilogy included. (I could write more about that but I should really go to bed now.)
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Obi-Wan has learned how to become a "Force ghost" -- basically enabling him to ascend to another plane. He has successfully distracted Darth Vader long enough to allow Luke and the others to escape (well almost, he probably could have given them just a few more minutes), and knows that he'll be more useful to Luke as something of a spiritual advisor than anything he can do in the physical world. There's a short exchange toward the end of Episode III where Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he's been in contact with Qui-Gon, who has learned how to do it. The implication is that Yoda and Obi-Wan eventually also learn it.
Admittedly, the destruction of Alderaan is strangely without repercussions. Leia doesn't even seem to think about past the next scene.
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So David Prowse is coming to my University.
https://news.glam.ac.uk/news/en/2011/oct/26/force-strong-darth-vader-visit-university-glamorga/
Highlight of the article:
"The Moore Show, presented by Kevin Moore..."
I shat bricks.
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Obi-Wan has learned how to become a "Force ghost" -- basically enabling him to ascend to another plane. He has successfully distracted Darth Vader long enough to allow Luke and the others to escape (well almost, he probably could have given them just a few more minutes), and knows that he'll be more useful to Luke as something of a spiritual advisor than anything he can do in the physical world. There's a short exchange toward the end of Episode III where Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he's been in contact with Qui-Gon, who has learned how to do it. The implication is that Yoda and Obi-Wan eventually also learn it.
Admittedly, the destruction of Alderaan is strangely without repercussions. Leia doesn't even seem to think about past the next scene.
Who else can do it? Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin... are they the only ones or was it something more common? And didn't Obi-Wan seem surprised when he found out in ROTS? (It's been awhile since I've watched it)
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He was surprised in ROTS. That was before ANH. It was Lucas' way of explaining (poorly) how something worked in the original trilogy.
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Obi-Wan has learned how to become a "Force ghost" -- basically enabling him to ascend to another plane. He has successfully distracted Darth Vader long enough to allow Luke and the others to escape (well almost, he probably could have given them just a few more minutes), and knows that he'll be more useful to Luke as something of a spiritual advisor than anything he can do in the physical world. There's a short exchange toward the end of Episode III where Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he's been in contact with Qui-Gon, who has learned how to do it. The implication is that Yoda and Obi-Wan eventually also learn it.
Admittedly, the destruction of Alderaan is strangely without repercussions. Leia doesn't even seem to think about past the next scene.
Who else can do it? Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin... are they the only ones or was it something more common? And didn't Obi-Wan seem surprised when he found out in ROTS? (It's been awhile since I've watched it)
Yeah he did.
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I'm certain George Lucas will just keep re-releasing the franchise in every new medium that comes along until you have a 360 degree fully immersive pod which you step into and interact with the movie characters in real time and all around you.
Or something.
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Obi-Wan has learned how to become a "Force ghost" -- basically enabling him to ascend to another plane. He has successfully distracted Darth Vader long enough to allow Luke and the others to escape (well almost, he probably could have given them just a few more minutes), and knows that he'll be more useful to Luke as something of a spiritual advisor than anything he can do in the physical world.
Yeah, cause there's no way a living Obi-Wan could do stuff like tell Luke to use the force, or send him to the Dagobah system.
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I'm not saying I agree with his choice. I'm just explaining what he did and why, as I understand it. A lot of people watch that scene and wonder what the hell Obi-Wan was thinking.
I thought it was pretty obvious. He looks right at Luke, he smiles just a bit, switches off his light saber, and lets Vader take him out. But there's no body. Next scene, you hear his disembodied voice. Kinda creepy, actually. But Obi-Wan probably figured he couldn't take Vader in a fight, so he might as well use the time he had the best he could. If he'd won, Vader would be dead and we'd have no story, so obviously he wasn't going to win. If he'd somehow gotten out of there, he still would've been a liability to their cause. Another person on board, another person to get from Point A to Point B, and he really didn't seem that interested in the rebellion in the first place. He seemed little more than curious about R2D2, and decided to help Luke and the others, but he'd done pretty much all he could do.
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I'm not saying I agree with his choice. I'm just explaining what he did and why, as I understand it. A lot of people watch that scene and wonder what the hell Obi-Wan was thinking.
I thought it was pretty obvious. He looks right at Luke, he smiles just a bit, switches off his light saber, and lets Vader take him out. But there's no body. Next scene, you hear his disembodied voice. Kinda creepy, actually. But Obi-Wan probably figured he couldn't take Vader in a fight, so he might as well use the time he had the best he could. If he'd won, Vader would be dead and we'd have no story, so obviously he wasn't going to win. If he'd somehow gotten out of there, he still would've been a liability to their cause. Another person on board, another person to get from Point A to Point B, and he really didn't seem that interested in the rebellion in the first place. He seemed little more than curious about R2D2, and decided to help Luke and the others, but he'd done pretty much all he could do.
This doesn't happen ;D
Okay, nitpicking aside now. Originally, Obi-Wan was set to live up until the point where Yoda dies, and there would be no Yoda at all. But during production, Lucas realized it wasn't very noble or fitting of Obi-Wan to just sit back and watch the pilots attack the Death Star while doing nothing on his own to help. So, Ben had to die. Sir Alec was not happy.
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Well, and he was probably also thinking something along the lines of, "If I'm a spirit, it's that much easier to go back to that cave world and hunt down and kill that stupid giant lizard and its offspring for throwing me off its back and falling a couple hundred feet all those years ago. Mmm... BBQ giant lizard..."
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I'm not saying I agree with his choice. I'm just explaining what he did and why, as I understand it. A lot of people watch that scene and wonder what the hell Obi-Wan was thinking.
I thought it was pretty obvious. He looks right at Luke, he smiles just a bit, switches off his light saber, and lets Vader take him out. But there's no body. Next scene, you hear his disembodied voice. Kinda creepy, actually. But Obi-Wan probably figured he couldn't take Vader in a fight, so he might as well use the time he had the best he could. If he'd won, Vader would be dead and we'd have no story, so obviously he wasn't going to win. If he'd somehow gotten out of there, he still would've been a liability to their cause. Another person on board, another person to get from Point A to Point B, and he really didn't seem that interested in the rebellion in the first place. He seemed little more than curious about R2D2, and decided to help Luke and the others, but he'd done pretty much all he could do.
This doesn't happen ;D
Seriously? I haven't seen it in a while, but I was sure he did.
Dammit. I just watched the scene again, and he doesn't. He just holds it in front of him, obviously not fighting anymore, but he doesn't switch it off. Someone's been playing Jedi mind tricks with my memory.
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Yeah, he just lowers his guard.
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But it's off when it drops to the floor, along with the empty robe. WTF?
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Too dangerous to have an ignited light saber just fall to the floor unattended. Next thing you know, some stormtrooper who isn't pay attention comes along and trips over it... Obi Wan would not be so careless. Especially since the empire has no shortage of sleazy personal injury lawyers in over 800 systems.
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I think that's why, in my (faulty) memory, he switched it off before Vader took him out. It drops to the floor switched off, and he didn't switch it off after he was taken out.
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As far as I remember, lightsabers generally automatically switched off when their bearer died. Don't know how it works, but if I recall correctly it was always the same in the films, and also e.g. in the Jedi Knight game series.
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Heh heh, a dead man's switch. Actually that makes sense, even if they don't explain how it works. A live light saber hitting the ground and rolling around could cause some serious damage.
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Yeah, light sabers were designed to switch off automatically, unless of course it's a red one and you're throwing it at Luke. :p
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anyone have blu rays for the first 3? how are they?
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anyone have blu rays for the first 3? how are they?
Which "first three"? I've only watched Episode I and Episode IV on my Blu-Ray set, and they're both awesome. The sound and picture quality is remarkable. More so for Episode I since it's newer but Episode IV is still fantastic. The CG Jabba in Episode IV looks REALLY bad, but it always did. I tend to shut my mind off to those added scenes anyways.
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I meant the original three films. Was wondering about the transfer.
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I meant the original three films. Was wondering about the transfer.
They look amazing man. Just great.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Blu-ray/14903/#Review
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Here's one of my latest video, the "Asteroid Field" section from Empire Strikes Back, where I play the entire soundtrack...on the french horn ;)
=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpFZAH9A1Y
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Here's one of my latest video, the "Asteroid Field" section from Empire Strikes Back, where I play the entire soundtrack...on the french horn ;)
=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpFZAH9A1Y
:tup
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Here's one of my latest video, the "Asteroid Field" section from Empire Strikes Back, where I play the entire soundtrack...on the french horn ;)
=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpFZAH9A1Y
Amazing job! That is one of my favorite Star Wars songs. And your playing was spectacular!
And of course your John Williams tribute is amazing as well.
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Interesting little article, #2 is about George Lucas: https://www.cracked.com/article_19576_6-pop-culture-visionaries-who-get-too-much-credit.html
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Is Leia a strong character? Interesting discussion I was just getting in with a friend of mine today. I'm personally of the belief that she starts out being pretty superficially strong at best, and then is made weaker over each successive movie, proving that physical strength or "attitude" doesn't translate into real depth.
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There's a pretty good After Hours video on that topic:
https://www.cracked.com/video_18249_why-star-wars-secretly-terrifying-women.html
edit: Probably NSFW
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Nice find. :tup
BTW folks, in the ever-continuing battle between Originals and Prequels, whose soundtracks did you like more? I'm actually kinda conflicted myself, because the Originals are great because of the Errol Flynn they give to those movies, but I love the iconic pieces of the Prequels as isolated pieces of music. I think they're absolutely brilliant...even if they are cheap ripoffs.
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There's a battle between the originals and the prequels?
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People who like the Prequels more vs. the Originals, idk. You see it all the time in forum threads and YouTube comment wars.
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YouTube comment
Yeah, I wouldn't read those.
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:p
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The prequel music is pretty damn good and cool. But the original is simply iconic/epic/legendary. Nothing can top it.
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The only bit of music from the prequels that I remember is the bit where the choir is being all dramatic while the trumpets (I think?) are like "do do doodloodoo do do dooloodoo do do dooloodoo do do dooloodoo" really fast. The originals, on the other hand, are full of memorable themes.
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Yeah, yet again the OT beats the PT. The prequels had some good stuff musically, especially TPM, but I feel like there was a lot of reusing of cues. Isn't the music from the part in TPM where they board the Queen's ship on Naboo and break through the blockade (THAT LITTLE DROID DID IT DURRR) reused later during the end of the pod race, and then used again in AOTC and ROTS?
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To be fair, I'm sure a lot of the reuse of musical cues was intentional. I haven't actually analyzed it all, or even watched the PT more than once, but it would make perfect sense to hear the same music during some scenes on Tatooine as in the OT, or hear the Imperial March when you first see Darth Vader or even Palpatine once you realize who he's gonna turn out to be. That kind of thing.
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Yes, but the scenes reuse the exact same recording of the music, which just seems lazy.
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The only bit of music from the prequels that I remember is the bit where the choir is being all dramatic while the trumpets (I think?) are like "do do doodloodoo do do dooloodoo do do dooloodoo do do dooloodoo" really fast. The originals, on the other hand, are full of memorable themes.
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbPX4xrKNlM
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
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It may sound crazy, but one of my pet peeves is when people spell Wookiee as Wookie. It's spelled incorrectly probably 95% of the time. The word "Wookiee" shows up in subtitles in Return of the Jedi, so I don't know why people only use one e. There's also Wookieepedia, a major Star Wars website, plus all the books that spell it correctly. I find it odd that many die hard Star Wars fans can spell every weirdass name correctly, but then spell Wookiee with one e. Is it because they want to link it somehow to cookie? Maybe it's because some early publications in the 70s spelled it as Wookie, and that stuck?
So, as an education to all my fellow Star Wars dweebs, it's spelled "Wookiee", not "Wookie". Thank you and good day. :bosky:
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Noted.
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It may sound crazy, but one of my pet peeves is when people spell Wookiee as Wookie. It's spelled incorrectly probably 95% of the time. The word "Wookiee" shows up in subtitles in Return of the Jedi, so I don't know why people only use one e. There's also Wookieepedia, a major Star Wars website, plus all the books that spell it correctly. I find it odd that many die hard Star Wars fans can spell every weirdass name correctly, but then spell Wookiee with one e. Is it because they want to link it somehow to cookie? Maybe it's because some early publications in the 70s spelled it as Wookie, and that stuck?
So, as an education to all my fellow Star Wars dweebs, it's spelled "Wookiee", not "Wookie". Thank you and good day. :bosky:
Thank you. That drives me insane, and I feel like I'm the only one who notices. Glad to see I'm not.
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
From the prequels, Duel of the Fates is the best them.
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Actually Through the Stars (I think it's called), the love theme, is the best of them.
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You mean Across the Stars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY
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Yes, I do. Thank you. I love how the main motive starts with a minor 6th interval as if to represent how the romance failed in contrast to Han and Leia's whose love theme motive begins with a major 6th interval.
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Yes, well, listen to it back-to-back with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCmUWNUzaqo
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Haha. Yes, I hear the resemblance.
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One thing I tend to do from time to time is watch the movie by listening to the soundtrack. Never has there been a soundtrack so iconic and epic and memorable, where I can start from track 1 on the remaster 2 disk version and go from beginning to end reliving the whole movie in my head and enjoying every minute of it. Without a doubt, the Star Wars (OT only) are the best soundtracks "ever" (however Peter Gabriel's Passion is my all time favorite soundtrack).
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Sorry to derail the 'musical' chat going on but I have a question that may or may not have been asked/discussed....
In 'Return of the Jedi' when Vadar and Luke are dualing at the end....after Vader lures Luke out with his threat against Lea.....Luke just goes bezerk on Vader....we've all watched it....just a melee of wild saber hits and pummeling. No real 'technique' to it...just pure power. What is your take on why Vader so quickly was overcome and defeated after that. Was the 'force' that Luke had fueled by the 'dark side' in those moments strengthening him beyond what Vader had ever encountered...therefor he was defeated so easily? Was Vader just old and really didn't have much fight left in him? Did he say 'F' it, Luke's the man now I give up...almost a surrender to be put out of his misery.
Just wondering due to how quickly Vader seemed to go from a very threatening and imposing figure to a helpless being on his back, proping himself up with one hand while meagerly defending himself with another.
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Interesting discussion, and I've always looked at it as Darth Vader not really wanting to kill Luke, but rather have him join him and turn against the Emperor. He was taunting him in order to turn him towards the dark side, but when it came down to a powerful jedi (at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL) who tapped into his anger, Darth Vader realized the only way he could stop Luke was to kill him, and with that conflict already present in his mind, he couldn't do it.
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(at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL)
Where did you get that info? ROTJ takes place 4 years after ANH, and 1 year after ESB.
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Interesting discussion, and I've always looked at it as Darth Vader not really wanting to kill Luke, but rather have him join him and turn against the Emperor. He was taunting him in order to turn him towards the dark side, but when it came down to a powerful jedi (at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL) who tapped into his anger, Darth Vader realized the only way he could stop Luke was to kill him, and with that conflict already present in his mind, he couldn't do it.
That's an interesting way to look at it. I will admit that although I am a big fan of Star Wars the extent of 'galaxy far far away' knowledge comes from the movies. I haven't pursued it outside of that...no reading interviews and what not. I'm guessing that's where you learned Lucas' timeline?
I had always leaned towards what I stated...that once Luke got ticked and defensive he tapped into some of that Dark Side energy and just kicked Vaders butt. Where he and Vader differed would have been right after the moment he had beaten Vader and the Emporer approached him...he was able to gather himself and fight that urge and taste of power...and refuse it.
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(at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL)
Where did you get that info? ROTJ takes place 4 years after ANH, and 1 year after ESB.
You are correct, my memory recalls reading a GL quote stating 10 years, but a look at the official timeline says otherwise.
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Weren't there a few scenes where either Vader or the emperor actually encourage Luke to tap into the Dark Side? I haven't watched the OT in a while, but I seem to recall Luke fighting one of them, and they're going "Yes, feel the hate, feel the power of the Dark Side, let it strengthen you!" or something like that. Well, it always seemed to me that Luke got pissed enough to tap into the Dark Side, and that's what enabled him to defeat Vader.
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(at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL)
Where did you get that info? ROTJ takes place 4 years after ANH, and 1 year after ESB.
You are correct, my memory recalls reading a GL quote stating 10 years, but a look at the official timeline says otherwise.
Don't trust Old Man Lucas on anything. Ever.
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Weren't there a few scenes where either Vader or the emperor actually encourage Luke to tap into the Dark Side? I haven't watched the OT in a while, but I seem to recall Luke fighting one of them, and they're going "Yes, feel the hate, feel the power of the Dark Side, let it strengthen you!" or something like that. Well, it always seemed to me that Luke got pissed enough to tap into the Dark Side, and that's what enabled him to defeat Vader.
Yep. Also notice how, after he's beaten Vadar into submission, he notices he has a robotic arm just like Luke which makes him realize just how close to becoming his dad he is. He realizes how easy it is to slip into the dark side, and then (from what I remember) to fight further.
I also think a good amount of it is Vadar simply not expecting Luke to go as bat shit crazy as he did.
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Vadar.
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Like a force sensitive pirate.
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(at this point, Luke has been training for nearly 10 years according to a timeline from GL)
Where did you get that info? ROTJ takes place 4 years after ANH, and 1 year after ESB.
You are correct, my memory recalls reading a GL quote stating 10 years, but a look at the official timeline says otherwise.
Don't trust Old Man Lucas on anything. Ever.
So unfortunate, so true.
That's why I consult subpar EU writers. :neverusethis: (jk EU is awesome)
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Musically, both Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars are AWESOME!
As for Vader being "easily" defeated by Luke, I do think it's a burst of rage by Luke that gives him the strength to do it. And that raw emotion that's unleashed by Luke is probably much closer to his full potential than had been realized up to that point. It seems that Luke has a greater connection to the force than even Vader.
Also, it seems like Luke gets the initial jump on Vader in that scene. As Vader is looking for Luke in that "chamber," it seems Luke is meditating so that Vader can't sense him. Once Vader realizes about Leia, Luke flips out and attacks Vader. In that moment, Vader seems to have been surprised as he was looking in a different spot for Luke. So Luke has all the "rage power" (i.e., tapping the dark side) and he gets the initial jump on Vader. Vader basically does all he can to fend off the attack.
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As for Vader being "easily" defeated by Luke, I do think it's a burst of rage by Luke that gives him the strength to do it. And that raw emotion that's unleashed by Luke is probably much closer to his full potential than had been realized up to that point. It seems that Luke has a greater connection to the force than even Vader.
Also, it seems like Luke gets the initial jump on Vader in that scene. As Vader is looking for Luke in that "chamber," it seems Luke is meditating so that Vader can't sense him. Once Vader realizes about Leia, Luke flips out and attacks Vader. In that moment, Vader seems to have been surprised as he was looking in a different spot for Luke. So Luke has all the "rage power" (i.e., tapping the dark side) and he gets the initial jump on Vader. Vader basically does all he can to fend off the attack.
This...and the other suggestions that Luke does tap into a bit of the dark side power is what I've always thought as well....was just curious as to if I was 'in line' with the rest of ya'll.
What I'm really wondering though is if Lucas really put that much thought into it...what that whole dual scene meant and was like we've described, or if the fans have interpreted it and turned into something greater and more deep than Lucas had ever intended. Was it just a light saber dual to him? Or do you think he intended all of these underlying themes and possibilities?
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I'm positive it was fully intended. Now whether that scene originated from Lucas or someone else that was working on the movie, I have no idea.
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It's most certainly intentional. The music in the background alone shows that. That music is SUPERB! So even if Lucas has no part in conducting the music, he's still explaining to Williams what the significance is going on.
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(however Peter Gabriel's Passion is my all time favorite soundtrack).
Yeah, that is fantastic.
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It's most certainly intentional. The music in the background alone shows that. That music is SUPERB! So even if Lucas has no part in conducting the music, he's still explaining to Williams what the significance is going on.
Yeah, the music is that scene is really haunting.
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Yeah I take the Luke and Vader final battle scene as Luke completely losing control and from that point on he's acting on instinct or the force. For that brief moment, that's not Luke, but pure rage in a physical form. Exactly was Jedi's are trained not to do. Also perhaps Vader was horrified at what he saw. For a moment he saw his son become him and maybe for that split moment Vader realized what he had become. This is why I'm so opposed to the "No". In my mind before Vader even gets up off the ground, he's already fighting his demons.
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Yeah I take the Luke and Vader final battle scene as Luke completely losing control and from that point on he's acting on instinct or the force. For that brief moment, that's not Luke, but pure rage in a physical form. Exactly was Jedi's are trained not to do. Also perhaps Vader was horrified at what he saw. For a moment he saw his son become him and maybe for that split moment Vader realized what he had become. This is why I'm so opposed to the "No". In my mind before Vader even gets up off the ground, he's already fighting his demons.
It's like Van Damme and Chong Li at the end of Bloodsport.
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I love that interpretation, Vivace, especially the part about Vader.
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The ROTJ duel scene was an amazing moment in movie history, and it really did lose all of its magic with the "No". :(
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The ROTJ Max Rebo Band song was an amazing moment in movie history, and it really did lose all of its magic with the "Jedi Rocks". :(
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Actually Through the Stars (I think it's called), the love theme, is the best of them.
You mean Across the Stars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY
Yes, I do. Thank you. I love how the main motive starts with a minor 6th interval as if to represent how the romance failed in contrast to Han and Leia's whose love theme motive begins with a major 6th interval.
Yes, well, listen to it back-to-back with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCmUWNUzaqo
Haha. Yes, I hear the resemblance.
Ahem....erm....um...are ya'll familiar with a little film with Henry Fonda and Catherine Hepburn called On Golden Pond?
Welllllll why don't you take listen, especially at the 2:00 mark....with a few changes, Across The Stars is almost not an original piece :-\
https://youtu.be/Ttd1yDbjUpY
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Yeah I take the Luke and Vader final battle scene as Luke completely losing control and from that point on he's acting on instinct or the force. For that brief moment, that's not Luke, but pure rage in a physical form. Exactly was Jedi's are trained not to do. Also perhaps Vader was horrified at what he saw. For a moment he saw his son become him and maybe for that split moment Vader realized what he had become. This is why I'm so opposed to the "No". In my mind before Vader even gets up off the ground, he's already fighting his demons.
Agreed, and the fact that he originally did it all without saying a damn word makes it immensely more powerful.
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^Prime example that less is more.
Lucas should know when to leave well enough alone something perfect.
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I'm positive it was fully intended. Now whether that scene originated from Lucas or someone else that was working on the movie, I have no idea.
Definitely how it was intended. Whether it was someone besides Lucas is doubtful, since he directed the Emperor/Vader/Luke scenes, and Lawrence Kasdan's influence was mainly in rearranging dialogue.
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Ahem....erm....um...are ya'll familiar with a little film with Henry Fonda and Catherine Hepburn called On Golden Pond?
Welllllll why don't you take listen, especially at the 2:00 mark....with a few changes, Across The Stars is almost not an original piece :-\
https://youtu.be/Ttd1yDbjUpY
The chord progression is similar and so is part of the main motive, but I still don't think it's close enough to accuse plagiarism. Not by a long shot.
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Of course not, it's a Jimmy Hart version (I think that's what it's called).
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Watched ESB again last night for the first time in quite some time....forgot what a cool movie that is! I noticed something though and I don't know if it's related or not. Yoda has Luke 'inverted' quite a bit when training, one handed upside down balance type deals..you know what I'm talking about. Do you think that was intentional on Yodas part to get him 'comfortable' feeling the force and what not to enable him to 'contact' Leah as he anxiously dangled upside down on that antena after being dumped at the end? Certainly Yoda would have forseen that and perhaps he was merely 'training' Luke for just that instance....Thoughts?
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I doubt it, but awesome new headcanon.
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Interesting. Palpatine mentions what he has "foreseen" a few times, and Yoda says something like "difficult to see, the future is", implying that he can do it, but it's tough. Those two were about as strong with The Force as anyone in the universe, but we never really get any solid examples of using The Force to see the future.
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Is Palpatine THAT strong with the Force or does he just get a power boost because he's using the dark side of the force? I always got the impression that, yes, while powerful with the Force, Palpatine had almost equal power in his ability to manipulate people into doing his bidding. I mean, we don't know that he was necessarily more powerful than Vader, but her knew how to manipulate him to work with him.
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Is Palpatine THAT strong with the Force or does he just get a power boost because he's using the dark side of the force? I always got the impression that, yes, while powerful with the Force, Palpatine had almost equal power in his ability to manipulate people into doing his bidding. I mean, we don't know that he was necessarily more powerful than Vader, but her knew how to manipulate him to work with him.
Just lying to Vadar about Padama(? Spellling) and telling him that HE killed her is a great example of his manipulating power....leaving Vadar mentally destroyed, full of (self)anger and hate....and willing to listen to whatever Palpatine (the Emperor) says as to not 'mess up' again....like he can't trust his self due to him believing he killed Padama
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I got around to watching "The People vs. George Lucas". It is a must see.
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Where might I find that? I've heard nothing but good things about it.
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Where might I find that? I've heard nothing but good things about it.
I borrowed it from a friend.
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Being that my kiddos are on this MAJOR Star Wars kick I have been watching the 'original' trilogy a ton lately and endless Youtube clips of all the light saber battles from all 6 movies. Pretty fun actually.
I apologize if this has been discussed here before..fairly 'new' to the thread....but Palpatine was 'disfigured' by his 'dark side lightning' jazz in the scene when Anakin turned Vadar. So I'm wondering why/how Luke escaped pretty much unscathed when he was being roasted by the Emperor after he defeated Vadar?
Shouldn't he have at least been disfigured a bit....toasted....burnt....something? Was this just a case of 'poor planning' on the part of Lucas when disfiguring Palpatine to explain away the Emperors aged look? Any theories out there or thoughts?
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Being that my kiddos are on this MAJOR Star Wars kick I have been watching the 'original' trilogy a ton lately and endless Youtube clips of all the light saber battles from all 6 movies. Pretty fun actually.
I apologize if this has been discussed here before..fairly 'new' to the thread....but Palpatine was 'disfigured' by his 'dark side lightning' jazz in the scene when Anakin turned Vadar. So I'm wondering why/how Luke escaped pretty much unscathed when he was being roasted by the Emperor after he defeated Vadar?
Shouldn't he have at least been disfigured a bit....toasted....burnt....something? Was this just a case of 'poor planning' on the part of Lucas when disfiguring Palpatine to explain away the Emperors aged look? Any theories out there or thoughts?
My assumption is that Windu's lightsaber magnified the lightning.
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Or George Lucas needed a convenient plot device + bad writing = the scene in ROTS.
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Or George Lucas needed a convenient plot device + bad writing = the scene in ROTS.
Sneaky edit!
I don't see that as bad writing. The knocks against Lucas over EVERYTHING get ridiculous. It's a fucking lightsaber, I never doubted it's strength before, why start now?
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It just seems kinda ridiculous imo (btw I realize a lot of Lucas criticism is overwrought, but I think a lot of it is justified as well). And I mean, did he really have to explain the gruesomeness? He could've just explained it away as "he gets wrinkly over the years because of all the use of Sith magic." That's what I had always been expecting.
p.s. @ snapple: I'm back in Michigan. Sup. :biggrin:
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It just seems kinda ridiculous imo (btw I realize a lot of Lucas criticism is overwrought, but I think a lot of it is justified as well). And I mean, did he really have to explain the gruesomeness? He could've just explained it away as "he gets wrinkly over the years because of all the use of Sith magic." That's what I had always been expecting.
Different strokes, I guess.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
Yeah, that's what I always thought it might be.
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It just seems kinda ridiculous imo (btw I realize a lot of Lucas criticism is overwrought, but I think a lot of it is justified as well). And I mean, did he really have to explain the gruesomeness? He could've just explained it away as "he gets wrinkly over the years because of all the use of Sith magic." That's what I had always been expecting.
Yeah, I always figured it took years of channeling the Dark Side to do that to him. Instead, we saw the transformation in minutes, which was disappointing overall even if it was kinda cool to see.
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I actually thought it was a huge mistake on Lucas's part which goes unquestioned. I mean Anakin NEVER blinks twice to it. It's like he expected it or something. Also the minute Anakin converts is the minute his eyes go red which again I think is a huge mistake. If a person is gradually turning to evil and using the dark side would his eyes reflect the use of the dark side? Thus when he killed all the sand people, shouldn't his eyes have been red? Whenever he got angry, shouldn't his eyes go red? I know it's nitpicking but Lucas had a TON of material he could have worked with to which most of this material was pretty damn good and well thought out especially with how the Sith and Jedi work but instead he chucked most of it out, even the material he kinda built up with the OT as if he said, "Finally I get to fix the stupid errors in the OT".
The problem being with the dark side withering away the face is that it only seemed to do it Palpatine. Darth Maul doesn't have any wrinkles. Count Dooku didn't have any wrinkles. Darth Vader had some but not nearly as bad as Palpatine. Thus the question, was it the force lightning that did it, or did he hide his face? Well, he never went back to his young face again which makes me think it was the force lightning that made it permanent. But that is so then why didn't Anakin get affected at the end of AOTC? People would argue because he hasn't turned yet, but my argument is, he has already dabbled. I just don't see the dark side as some defined line that once you cross at that point you are a dark jedi. I see it more as a philosophy and frame of mind that feeds on the already corrupted and craving mind. Anakin already acted according to the dark side ways of emotion and passion. He was well on the path and already benefiting from it. I would argue he was already using dark side powers without even being aware he was using them especially in killing all the sand people. But that's my opinion and I am WAY over analyzing this, but that's what happens when you actually think about the material over just writing something and churning out what came out. Empire Strikes Back is such a breath of fresh air for me because it took the time to realize that there are real characters and a real world and how did they both work?
oh well.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
He had the whole life and death thing down, I doubt plastic surgery would've been much of a challenge.
As for Vivace's point, I've always thought he turned quickly as well. That part is a lot longer in the book, it's a lot easier to write out what he's thinking for a few pages than show stuff like that on-screen.
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As for Vivace's point, I've always thought he turned quickly as well. That part is a lot longer in the book, it's a lot easier to write out what he's thinking for a few pages than show stuff like that on-screen.
but that is supposed to be the job of the actor and the director. Mark Hamill pulled it off nicely in Return of the Jedi. In Revenge of the Sith it was just plain sloppy.
Actually another question to ask, why would force lightning do this? Why did it happen? I always though it was the Dark Side in general AND I always though he was a lot older too. In a lot of ways I think the explanation that he hid his face and make everyone see him as a younger person is a bit more logical but then why didn't the Jedi's sense that he was a Sith. Darth Vader was able to sense Obi Wan in Star Wars. Palpatine knew that Luke was on the planet Endor. Vader, we think, knew that Luke was on the ship to Endor. It seems Jedi's and Sith can sense each other. But do they sense each other because they are using the force? Or do they sense each because they are force users? Either way, it doesn't explain why the Jedi never suspected Palpatine and if it did, it contradicts why force lightning turned Palpatine into a monster.
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The interesting thing is that Lucas had Palpatine becoming more pasty and decrepit-looking in AOTC, but then made him look younger again for ROTS. I don't even think Lucas knew what he was doing regarding Palpy's appearance.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
The novelization says this is absolutely the case.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
The novelization says this is absolutely the case.
That's what I always thought. The scenes where Darth Sidious is talking to his henchmen through holograms in TPM and AoTC slightly reveal (as I recall) his wrinkly face. I always assumed that by using the force to conceal his dark lord identity to all the Jedi around him, it was also making his physical appearance more palatable.
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If that's the case then Palpatine also masked himself being a Sith since all Jedi can sense force users to a degree. As before Luke sensed Vadar on the ship. Obi Wan sensed Vadar on the Death Star, Vadar sensed Obi Wan, Palpatine sensed Luke on the planet and so on and so on. Of course this plot hole goes without the evil face but it suggests that a force user can mask himself from other force users. I guess we can accept this but here's my next question to Lucas. IF Palpatine masked himself and when Obi Wan was practically told if not flat out told that Palpatine is a Sith, then why didn't they just try and break through that block to sense if he's a force user? Instead Anakin is sent to spy on him (never asked to sense if he is a Sith) but to inquire if he is. Wouldn't have the question been answered by having a meeting and then having the whole Jedi Council blast their way through whatever mask he was using? If it doesn't work this way, then how are we to explain how Vadar, Luke and Obi Wan sensed each other? Again, I know I am nitpicking but it's really is a huge plot hole. Suddenly in these prequels the Jedi are made to be dumb, oppressive, and sloppy.
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It's possible that Palpatine's true form is the wrinkled ugly guy, and the lightning made him revert to that form.
The novelization says this is absolutely the case.
That's what I always thought. The scenes where Darth Sidious is talking to his henchmen through holograms in TPM and AoTC slightly reveal (as I recall) his wrinkly face. I always assumed that by using the force to conceal his dark lord identity to all the Jedi around him, it was also making his physical appearance more palatable.
This would make sense as well. I still buy into the notion that the lightsaber amplified the lightning. Considering that when others were victims of the lightning, they were largely left unchanged.
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In the book Truce at Bakura, which takes place immediately after ROTJ, it explains that Luke suffered bone calcification from the Force lightning. That lightning can mess you up real good.
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If that's the case then Palpatine also masked himself being a Sith since all Jedi can sense force users to a degree. As before Luke sensed Vadar on the ship. Obi Wan sensed Vadar on the Death Star, Vadar sensed Obi Wan, Palpatine sensed Luke on the planet and so on and so on. Of course this plot hole goes without the evil face but it suggests that a force user can mask himself from other force users. I guess we can accept this but here's my next question to Lucas. IF Palpatine masked himself and when Obi Wan was practically told if not flat out told that Palpatine is a Sith, then why didn't they just try and break through that block to sense if he's a force user? Instead Anakin is sent to spy on him (never asked to sense if he is a Sith) but to inquire if he is. Wouldn't have the question been answered by having a meeting and then having the whole Jedi Council blast their way through whatever mask he was using? If it doesn't work this way, then how are we to explain how Vadar, Luke and Obi Wan sensed each other? Again, I know I am nitpicking but it's really is a huge plot hole. Suddenly in these prequels the Jedi are made to be dumb, oppressive, and sloppy.
It may not be that force users can sense ANY other force users, but other force users whom they already know, and have therefore become attuned.
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In the book Truce at Bakura, which takes place immediately after ROTJ, it explains that Luke suffered bone calcification from the Force lightning. That lightning can mess you up real good.
Well according to one writer at least.
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I sort of expected a reply like that. I'm not saying everything in the books is definitive information, but I enjoy some of them and include some stuff in my personal canon, especially the older ones before Del Ray turned everything so dark and depressing.
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If that's the case then Palpatine also masked himself being a Sith since all Jedi can sense force users to a degree. As before Luke sensed Vadar on the ship. Obi Wan sensed Vadar on the Death Star, Vadar sensed Obi Wan, Palpatine sensed Luke on the planet and so on and so on. Of course this plot hole goes without the evil face but it suggests that a force user can mask himself from other force users. I guess we can accept this but here's my next question to Lucas. IF Palpatine masked himself and when Obi Wan was practically told if not flat out told that Palpatine is a Sith, then why didn't they just try and break through that block to sense if he's a force user? Instead Anakin is sent to spy on him (never asked to sense if he is a Sith) but to inquire if he is. Wouldn't have the question been answered by having a meeting and then having the whole Jedi Council blast their way through whatever mask he was using? If it doesn't work this way, then how are we to explain how Vadar, Luke and Obi Wan sensed each other? Again, I know I am nitpicking but it's really is a huge plot hole. Suddenly in these prequels the Jedi are made to be dumb, oppressive, and sloppy.
It may not be that force users can sense ANY other force users, but other force users whom they already know, and have therefore become attuned.
It is an explanation, definitely, however I don't think it works for just personal reasons. The main one being, from the OT Yoda speaks of the force as an essence that surrounds them and they are able to tap into that essence. If it is based on familiarity of the person then it acts more like a scent or a "field" per-se that is what they are sensing. So okay, perhaps it's hard for them to distinguish what is just a normal field and what it a person effecting that field. *record scratch* but wait a minute. Doesn't Vadar and Obi Wan during Star Wars talk about "disturbances" in the force. So let's imagine the force is like a lake. You are swimming in the lake surrounded by the water. There might be other people in the lake, but you don't know that UNTIL that is they make waves. Thus what I interpret as a "disturbance" in the force. Something out there is making waves. We can also tell that natural destruction in a grand scale can cause this as well with the destruction of a planet, even when the force itself is strong enough to reach Obi Wan like some radio signal. the point being, if sensing another force user is based on familiarity, then that kinda contradicts the idea that a disturbance in the force is also something they can detect. From the first three it seemed obvious that one Jedi simply senses another based on how much they are "disturbing" the force. I was imagined a Jedi could slip through the cracks by simply control themselves NOT to affect the field of the force. Now I don't think the movies ever supply any explanation to this so all in all its just a theory. But it still leaves open a rather large question, what is the difference for a Jedi between something that is "disturbing" the force and someone who is "using" the force. For me I see them as the same thing, but the movies never explain this, and after all is said and done, I doubt even Lucas knows how it works so would he try to explain it. ;)
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I don't know.
Oh, and I don't care all that much. But Lucas is definitely a dolt for not putting more thought into it.
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1. Was completely unnecessary and should at the very least have been explained better.
2. I've always thought that was his true appearance, and he was just masking it. As others mentioned, you can kind of see it in the holograms. I don't think it was the force lightning that revealed it either. I think he chose to reveal himself because, at that point, he was "out." There was no reason to hide his appearance any longer. But he could use the "look what the jedi did to me" to turn Anakin and the senate against the jedi and play himself as a victim.
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You know another thought occurred to me. According to Lucas, in the prequels the force is generally about midiclorians. And these midiclorians allow you to tap into the force like some kind of computer access. The more midiclorians you have the better access. Qui Gon didn't know (but had a feeling) that Anakin was a force user. He needed to take blood and make a positive match, therefore Lucas has established in the Prequels that a force user doesn't effect a "field", if so odds are Qui Gon would have detected Anakin miles away if Anakin isn't able to control the force. Thus Lucas establishes the only sure fire way to know is through a blood sample according to the prequels.
oh oh!
remember in the end of Star Wars, Luke is flying down the trench with Vadar on his tail. Vadar says rather causally, "The force is strong with this one?" Okay... how does he *know* that. This completely and 100% contradicts The Phantom Menace and it sets the tone that force users can sense each other through a "disturbance". Vadar had no familiarity with Luke and even moreso, Luke really didn't say anything as well when it came to sensing Vadar, probably because he doesn't know what to look for. Kinda like a master in meditation and a novice. The master says, "feel that?" and the novice goes, "feel what?".
I know I'm nitpicking, and really what difference does it make? It's just a movie, but I think this down right answers the questions with how the force works. The force is an energy field as Yoda describes, where people learn to tap into and effect that field. the universe acts upon it in a natural way but people if attuned properly can act upon it in an unnatural way and manipulate the field. How they were able to manipulate it I guess could have been explained by midiclorians but I like the idea of it being a simple field in a galaxy that is as inherent as air is to our world. But according to the end of Star Wars, a force user without familiarity or knowing the other is a force can sense a disturbance in the force to a specific point and even know what or who is effecting it. Thus, Palpatine as a Sith is a plot hole big enough for a Mack truck to drive through.
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
I still find it hilarious to watch the light saber "battle" between Obi Wan and Vadar in Star Wars and then compare it to the dual they had on the lava planet......they went from an epic agile and crafty battle to that tired, rigid yawnfest. Sure, Obi Wan had a plan to let Vadar "kill" him in order to ascend and all that, but it was still laughable after seeing thier previous battle. It'd be nice to attribute it to them being old if it weren't for the fact that they demonstrated with Yoda that a Jedi can 'sack up' when need be.
At least the two duals between Luke and Vadar were somewhat better, but still then even lacked the excitement and choreography that the pre-qual saber battles had.
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere in this thread before so I apologize for bringing it back up.....it's still funny (and a bit disappointing) though
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
I still find it hilarious to watch the light saber "battle" between Obi Wan and Vadar in Star Wars and then compare it to the dual they had on the lava planet......they went from an epic agile and crafty battle to that tired, rigid yawnfest. Sure, Obi Wan had a plan to let Vadar "kill" him in order to ascend and all that, but it was still laughable after seeing thier previous battle. It'd be nice to attribute it to them being old if it weren't for the fact that they demonstrated with Yoda that a Jedi can 'sack up' when need be.
At least the two duals between Luke and Vadar were somewhat better, but still then even lacked the excitement and choreography that the pre-qual saber battles had.
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere in this thread before so I apologize for bringing it back up.....it's still funny (and a bit disappointing) though
Yes, but it does not appear that either Obi Wan or Vader saw the need to keep up with any sort of rigid lightsaber training regimen through the years.
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Guys, it's Vader, not Vadar.
I feel Jedi and Sith were portrayed too much as freakishly agile supermen in the prequels, but I guess the majority of filmgoers nowadays expect in-your-face stuff. I did love the Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul duel, though.
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
I still find it hilarious to watch the light saber "battle" between Obi Wan and Vadar in Star Wars and then compare it to the dual they had on the lava planet......they went from an epic agile and crafty battle to that tired, rigid yawnfest. Sure, Obi Wan had a plan to let Vadar "kill" him in order to ascend and all that, but it was still laughable after seeing thier previous battle. It'd be nice to attribute it to them being old if it weren't for the fact that they demonstrated with Yoda that a Jedi can 'sack up' when need be.
At least the two duals between Luke and Vadar were somewhat better, but still then even lacked the excitement and choreography that the pre-qual saber battles had.
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere in this thread before so I apologize for bringing it back up.....it's still funny (and a bit disappointing) though
(https://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2010/10/25/18/anigif_the-star-wars-prequels-boiled-down-to-one-gif-25792-1288045878-15.gif)
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Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan and Qui Gon
the best.
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Yes, but it does not appear that either Obi Wan or Vader saw the need to keep up with any sort of rigid lightsaber training regimen through the years.
:lol No kidding! Vader appears to have said 'F' it I'll just choke everyone and save some time....who knows what Obi Wan was up to?
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
I still find it hilarious to watch the light saber "battle" between Obi Wan and Vadar in Star Wars and then compare it to the dual they had on the lava planet......they went from an epic agile and crafty battle to that tired, rigid yawnfest. Sure, Obi Wan had a plan to let Vadar "kill" him in order to ascend and all that, but it was still laughable after seeing thier previous battle. It'd be nice to attribute it to them being old if it weren't for the fact that they demonstrated with Yoda that a Jedi can 'sack up' when need be.
At least the two duals between Luke and Vadar were somewhat better, but still then even lacked the excitement and choreography that the pre-qual saber battles had.
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere in this thread before so I apologize for bringing it back up.....it's still funny (and a bit disappointing) though
Dude you've gotta turn up your volume, I think you're missing some key dialog in that scene:
Obi-Wan: Ok so enough screwing around, you wanna start flipping our lightsabers all around and shit like last time?
Vader: Yeah sounds good!
Obi-Wan: Oh wait, here comes Luke- here hit me with your lightsaber real quick!
Vader: Wha?
Obi-Wan: Just do it dude trust me it'll be awesome!
Vader: Whatevs...
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Vader does point out that Obi-Wan's powers are weak, so I don't have a problem with the anemic duel in ANH. Thank God Lucas didn't add a bunch of backflips and junk for the Blu Ray, but maybe he'll save it for the next release!
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That's why I mostly ignore the prequels. They screw everything up.
I still find it hilarious to watch the light saber "battle" between Obi Wan and Vadar in Star Wars and then compare it to the dual they had on the lava planet......they went from an epic agile and crafty battle to that tired, rigid yawnfest. Sure, Obi Wan had a plan to let Vadar "kill" him in order to ascend and all that, but it was still laughable after seeing thier previous battle. It'd be nice to attribute it to them being old if it weren't for the fact that they demonstrated with Yoda that a Jedi can 'sack up' when need be.
At least the two duals between Luke and Vadar were somewhat better, but still then even lacked the excitement and choreography that the pre-qual saber battles had.
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere in this thread before so I apologize for bringing it back up.....it's still funny (and a bit disappointing) though
On the contrary, I much preferred, on the whole, the lightsaber duels in the OT. IMO, the only good lightsaber stuff in the prequels involve Darth Maul.
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Luke v. Vader I in ESB is the best them.
Although the moment in AOTC when Anakin charges at Dooku like a douche and Dooku just casually knocks him back with some Sith lightning is pretty sweet too.
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On the contrary, I much preferred, on the whole, the lightsaber duels in the OT. IMO, the only good lightsaber stuff in the prequels involve Darth Maul.
Really the only one that bothered me in the OT is that Vader vs. Obi Wan. It was pretty generic. I would agree with Ryzee that the battle between Luke and Vader in ESB was pretty friggin' cool....my favorite of them all I'd say.
I suppose I just like the intensity and choreography in the NT a bit more...I liked the fight between Obi Wan and the freshly turned Vader (up until the point they were floating on lava) but the scene(s) inside the control room were cool to me.
I enjoyed the Yoda battles as well....just because it was Yoda. Like I mentioned a page or so ago, my kids have had me looking up all the lightsaber battles on Youtube so I've watched them all a hundred times over the past few weeks.
One thing that did stick out to me though is that when Yoda and Darth Sidious duke it out...and in the end when (as) Yoda confidently absorbs that Dark side lightning Darth Sidious's face has a look of 'Oh Sh%t'...like he knows he's beat and done for. And when Yoda soaks it all up and then releases that energy back at him and he's thrown back and essentially beaten I guess Lucas had to leave himself a way for Yoda to make his exit to exile by not giving him a chance to finish him off. Yoda believes he 'failed' and in a sense by not killing him I suppose he's right, but he 'beat' Sidious in that battle.
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The Darth Maul lightsaber battle was fucking awesome. It involved throwing shit with the force, kicking and was graphic. It felt like a lightsaber battle.
In fact, that's one reason why I like the Phantom Menace. The entire movie lead up to that point. I felt the tension of knowing that it was coming. "Shit, they're going to have to fight this guy and he looks really mean". Then he comes out and its like "okay, here we go HOLY SHIT ITS A DOUBLE BLADED LIGHTSABER?!"
And the double lightsaber added more tension. Everyone backed off except for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Every knew, this guy meant business. The two sides answered the question of how he is going to handle TWO Jedi at once. Not only that, but Maul owned that battle until after Qui-Gon died. I still enjoy that scene very much. Too bad it's back dropped on the "NOW THIS IS PODRACING" bullshit and "GLABBIDY GOO! LET'S THROW DEM GOO BALLS AND DEM DWOIDS YOWZZZZZZZZZZZ"
I'm watching it again right now. Any my god is this battle amazing. They're actually trying to attack each other in it. It's probably due to the caliber of actors they had for Qui-Gon and Maul, but it's not like "LETS SWING ARE SWORDZ SO WE CAN SWINGZ THEM" It's like "fuck you, you're going to die". I mean, the guy playing Maul was actually acrobatic. He felt like a highly trained asshole who could, and does, kill people.
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And the double lightsaber added more tension. Everyone backed off except for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Every knew, this guy meant business.
It was pretty awesome that a group of ~20(?) armed soldiers saw this guy, and decided they didn’t stand a chance. Of course they wouldn’t have known he was a Sith, he didn’t even ignite his saber yet, but still awesome. Also great how they pause so Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon can take their robes off, like there was a little gentlemanly quality to it. I knew a lot about TPM before I saw it, so it was one big slog until it got to this part. I actually enjoyed it more the second time, since I wasn’t just waiting for Darth Maul like I was the first viewing.
It's like "fuck you, you're going to die". I mean, the guy playing Maul was actually acrobatic. He felt like a highly trained asshole who could, and does, kill people.
I think that actor was a blackbelt or some serious level of badass.
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I mean, the guy probably had some help with movie magic, but that's okay. It felt like fucking WARRIORS fighting. Not actors swinging sticks.
In the OT, the lightsaber battles were much more noble and knight like. In TPM, the battle still had that hint of being noble, while still being badass. I think they were able to get away with it, too, because of the fact that they knew this guy would murder them all. Whereas Vader wasn't like that.
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It's like "fuck you, you're going to die". I mean, the guy playing Maul was actually acrobatic. He felt like a highly trained asshole who could, and does, kill people.
I think that actor was a blackbelt or some serious level of badass.
Correct. Ray Park is a martial arts expert and also choreographed the fights.
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Now, this is podracing: https://youtu.be/VBzcdJYSf0Q
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You know another thought occurred to me. According to Lucas, in the prequels the force is generally about midiclorians. And these midiclorians allow you to tap into the force like some kind of computer access. The more midiclorians you have the better access. Qui Gon didn't know (but had a feeling) that Anakin was a force user. He needed to take blood and make a positive match, therefore Lucas has established in the Prequels that a force user doesn't effect a "field", if so odds are Qui Gon would have detected Anakin miles away if Anakin isn't able to control the force. Thus Lucas establishes the only sure fire way to know is through a blood sample according to the prequels.
oh oh!
remember in the end of Star Wars, Luke is flying down the trench with Vadar on his tail. Vadar says rather causally, "The force is strong with this one?" Okay... how does he *know* that. This completely and 100% contradicts The Phantom Menace and it sets the tone that force users can sense each other through a "disturbance". Vadar had no familiarity with Luke and even moreso, Luke really didn't say anything as well when it came to sensing Vadar, probably because he doesn't know what to look for. Kinda like a master in meditation and a novice. The master says, "feel that?" and the novice goes, "feel what?".
I know I'm nitpicking, and really what difference does it make? It's just a movie, but I think this down right answers the questions with how the force works. The force is an energy field as Yoda describes, where people learn to tap into and effect that field. the universe acts upon it in a natural way but people if attuned properly can act upon it in an unnatural way and manipulate the field. How they were able to manipulate it I guess could have been explained by midiclorians but I like the idea of it being a simple field in a galaxy that is as inherent as air is to our world. But according to the end of Star Wars, a force user without familiarity or knowing the other is a force can sense a disturbance in the force to a specific point and even know what or who is effecting it. Thus, Palpatine as a Sith is a plot hole big enough for a Mack truck to drive through.
A couple things. Firstly, the force is not all about midi-chlorians, never has been. They are simply a means (plot device if you MUST) of identifying potential, not the Force itself. Evidence of their presence can be found in notes predating the original film as there was always meant to be both a spiritual and scientific explanation for how the energy field exists. There was no proper place to introduce it until a film with a symbiotic theme came to be. A blood test is not the only way, simply a fool-proof way. Don't forget that the Jedi of the prequels and the Jedi of the classic trilogy are purposefully VERY different, empirical instead of normative, and look for answers in different ways. These differences on a greater level outline how and why the Jedi fell.
As far as Vader sensing Luke, there isn't really a good reason he wouldn't be able to. Vader is the strongest force user of all time (screw the EU) and felt the Force in someone who was (potentially) very strong with it. As far as him having no connection to Luke, this isn't particularly true. Though they haven't met face to face, they are father and son, and there is evidence of force bonds scattered throughout the franchise. This is a moot point though, since he shouldn't need a reason to identify another Force user.
Logic dictates that Palpatine was shielding himself from being discovered. He was stronger than all of the Jedi at the time, save Anakin who trusted and respected him. "The dark side of the force clouds everything". Fortunately for Palpatine, the Jedi of the prequel era were arrogant, naive, and flawed enough to let this happen, assuming they would have seen it coming and been able to stop it all along.
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https://moviepilot.com/buckets/311511-tv-pilot/containers/335280-the-live-action-star-wars-tv-show-is-called-underworld-no-lycans-involved
Back around the time when Ewan McGregor was hacking off Hayden Christensen's arms and legs, producer Rick McCallum and famed meddler George Lucas came out and explained how the rest of the Star Wars saga was going to play out. And there was us thinking that George Lucas was done ruining our collective childhoods.
You might remember a Clone Wars TV series was announced (of which there were two, equally badass) a live action comedy series (Of which Seth Green is apparently working on) and finally a live action show that promised...well, Rick and George wern't too specific on that one.
At last! Facts!
Rick McCallum has done a video interview where he explains that over fifty, one hour episodes have been written! Fifty! That's amost three seasons!
Rick also says that the show will be called Star Wars: Underworld!
Cool! But what's it about?
"It's underneath what's going on. It's the criminals and the gangs. Like the guys who are running Wall Street, basically."
Star Wars: Underworld will focus on the adventures of Bounty Hunters (think Boba Fett), smugglers (think Han Solo) and gangsters (think Jabba The Hut). So it's a show about Han Solo and Boba Fett teaming up to fight Jabba The Hut?! Ok that was speculation, but it sounds kind of cool anyway right?
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I like that it's focusing on the seedier side of Star Wars, since I love the Cantina and Jabba's Palace. I'm going to stay cautious about getting too excited over it, though.
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It's about time, they've been talking about this thing for almost a decade.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Been playing through Knights of the Old Republic and that article made me think of that a bit: the Mandalorians, the Hutt and swoop gangs on Taris, the Czerka Corporation... Definitely could be more potential for intrigue than 'slave boy falls for queen/senator, turns evil, kills younglings.'
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Sadly everyone seems to handle the SW universe better than George, especally Bioware.
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Have you guys already seen this? This is fucking hilarious!! :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAlQuqzl8o&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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https://moviepilot.com/buckets/311511-tv-pilot/containers/335280-the-live-action-star-wars-tv-show-is-called-underworld-no-lycans-involved
Back around the time when Ewan McGregor was hacking off Hayden Christensen's arms and legs, producer Rick McCallum and famed meddler George Lucas came out and explained how the rest of the Star Wars saga was going to play out. And there was us thinking that George Lucas was done ruining our collective childhoods.
You might remember a Clone Wars TV series was announced (of which there were two, equally badass) a live action comedy series (Of which Seth Green is apparently working on) and finally a live action show that promised...well, Rick and George wern't too specific on that one.
At last! Facts!
Rick McCallum has done a video interview where he explains that over fifty, one hour episodes have been written! Fifty! That's amost three seasons!
Rick also says that the show will be called Star Wars: Underworld!
Cool! But what's it about?
"It's underneath what's going on. It's the criminals and the gangs. Like the guys who are running Wall Street, basically."
Star Wars: Underworld will focus on the adventures of Bounty Hunters (think Boba Fett), smugglers (think Han Solo) and gangsters (think Jabba The Hut). So it's a show about Han Solo and Boba Fett teaming up to fight Jabba The Hut?! Ok that was speculation, but it sounds kind of cool anyway right?
The most recent interview with McCallum revealed that they are not starting production until they production costs become less than $5 million per episode. That is not a typo.
Since every Lucasfilm does is produced in house, a company like HBO is not fronting any money to get it made. So at least for a while, it will be impossible for a show like Underworld to break even.
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The most recent interview with McCallum revealed that they are not starting production until they production costs become less than $5 million per episode. That is not a typo.
lol.
I'd love to see a Star Wars with toned down special effects.
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Totally. Even one scaled down to Firefly level.
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I can't wait to see The Phantom Menace in 3D. It's been so long since I've seen that movie and I will be seeing it with my friend I grew up with. We used to live for Star Wars and our whole childhoods revolved around it, so it will be nice to see the films in a theater again even though I think 3D is a lousy gimmick (although The Lion King was well done).
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Have you guys already seen this? This is fucking hilarious!! :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAlQuqzl8o&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
That's pretty much awesome.
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I can't wait to see The Phantom Menace in 3D. It's been so long since I've seen that movie and I will be seeing it with my friend I grew up with. We used to live for Star Wars and our whole childhoods revolved around it, so it will be nice to see the films in a theater again even though I think 3D is a lousy gimmick (although The Lion King was well done).
Amen!
Have you guys already seen this? This is fucking hilarious!! :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAlQuqzl8o&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Incredible!
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Lucas's new movie looks pretty good. Giant article in the NY Times about him: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
This seemed relevant to the discussion in this thread:
“I think there are a lot more important things in the world” than feuds with fanboys, Lucas says with a kind of weary diffidence. But then he gets serious, even a little wounded. Lucas explains that his first major features — “THX 1138” and “American Graffiti” — were forcibly re-edited by the studios. Those were wrenching experiences he has compared to someone keying your car (he loves cars) or chopping a finger off one of your children (he has three and loves them too). Afterward, Lucas set out to gain financial independence so the final cut would forever be his. “If the movie doesn’t work,” he vowed, “it’s going to be my fault.”
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When fanboys wailed, Lucas did not just hear the scream of young Jedis; he heard something like the voice of the studio. The dumb, uncomprehending voice in his Socratic dialogues — a voice telling him how to make a blockbuster. “On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” Lucas says, referring to fans who, like the dreaded studios, have done their own forcible re-edits. “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.’ ”
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Just thought I would post in here today. I woke up sick today and had to work, so when I returned home I made up for it by getting into my sick sweater, grabbed some OJ, and turned on Return of the Jedi.
Nothing makes me happier when I'm sick. I feel like I'm 7 again.
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Lucas's new movie looks pretty good. Giant article in the NY Times about him: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
This seemed relevant to the discussion in this thread:
“I think there are a lot more important things in the world” than feuds with fanboys, Lucas says with a kind of weary diffidence. But then he gets serious, even a little wounded. Lucas explains that his first major features — “THX 1138” and “American Graffiti” — were forcibly re-edited by the studios. Those were wrenching experiences he has compared to someone keying your car (he loves cars) or chopping a finger off one of your children (he has three and loves them too). Afterward, Lucas set out to gain financial independence so the final cut would forever be his. “If the movie doesn’t work,” he vowed, “it’s going to be my fault.”
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When fanboys wailed, Lucas did not just hear the scream of young Jedis; he heard something like the voice of the studio. The dumb, uncomprehending voice in his Socratic dialogues — a voice telling him how to make a blockbuster. “On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” Lucas says, referring to fans who, like the dreaded studios, have done their own forcible re-edits. “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.’ ”
Yeah, maybe he should've listened.
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“On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” Lucas says, referring to fans who, like the dreaded studios, have done their own forcible re-edits.
Wait, does he really think this?
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Rant:
It really bothers me the way that Lucas dismisses all the claims of fans. They're not criticizing his work. They're criticizing him CHANGING his work and forcing it upon people. It was perfect the way it was. Trying to disregard/erase the original films is a slap in the face to those that grew up with them and cherished the films. If he wants to edit his film and include flying X Wings that shoot proton dildos then fine, but at least respect the fanbase that want the movie the way most originally experienced it. Especially when he goes beyond simple cosmetic fixes (the lightsabers) and changes the dynamics of scenes (Anakin's ghost/noo/etc).
The fact of the matter is that, no matter how hard he tries, the original films will ALWAYS be different then the prequels. The cities won't be as big and advanced as they were in TPM. They SHOULDN'T be. It was filmed 20 years before the prequels. Same thing with the aliens. The charm of the originals lies within those things, the puppets and the scenery. He should stop trying to take a 34 yearold film and make it look like it was all recorded yesterday.
The movies are important to the fans. I was really looking forward to the films being released on blu ray, hoping they would include the originals. When I heard it was the 97 SE, I wasn't as enthusiastic but still happy because (most) of the changes were bearable. and those editions were the first I saw in a theater. But I can't buy the set with these changes. I will be seeing the films in a theater when they release the 3D ones and I will enjoy it... but I will cringe every time I see one of the crappy changes made.
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IMHO, this is what's going through Lucas' mind.
"Oh, they have some disagreements about the movies. I'm sorry, this was what I thought the way it should go. My bad."
Years and years of people STILL bitching about it.
"Okay, there are some of these critiques that are completely understandable. But they get lost in the noise of the constant complaining."
MORE YEARS OF BITCHING
"Okay, you know what? People need to understand that I wrote the movie and this was my vision. I get that people don't like it, but this is my movie. They need to STFU already."
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I got around to watching "The People vs. George Lucas". It is a must see.
It raises some really good points! Yet it's incredibly difficult to watch the whole documentary without falling asleep.
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I got around to watching "The People vs. George Lucas". It is a must see.
It raises some really good points! Yet it's incredibly difficult to watch the whole documentary without falling asleep.
Some parts, totally. I think the nerds in that film really put me in the middle-to siding with Lucas.
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MSN's article about his retirement made me puke. At only a few paragraphs long, they manage to not encapsulate his career and how he changed the industry, but rather just remind you that it's still cool to hate him. Throw in a misleading title and there you have it.
Can't say I hold it against him for all of this stuff finally getting to him, if that is even the case. He never seemed to have a legitimate problem with it before though.
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Why would he? He is rolling in dough regardless.
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This was on the news today, full length fan movie compiled from different peoples' 15 second clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezeYJUz-84
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George Lucas Retirement Story (https://movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/george-lucas-talks-star-wars-critics/story/feature/)
Money quote:
"On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie," Lucas says. "I'm saying: 'Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.'"
I can't be the only one who thinks he's acting very immature. Show business is about producing a product that people want to see. Very few people are talented enough to ignore their audience and be successful. George Lucas isn't one of them. If the Star Wars prequels didn't have the Star Wars name, they would just be mediocre science fiction films with dated effects.
Also, in a larger sense, isn't Star Wars bigger than just him? It's obviously affected so many peoples' lives in so many ways. And he apparently doesn't care about any of that.
EDIT: Notice how, even though he's supposedly retired, he didn't officially say there wouldn't be an Indiana Jones 5. Can someone tell me how this isn't just him whining and acting out?
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I don't know why but this reminds me of the Mike Portnoy situation, when he was still in DT.
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Reap, I don't think the prequels were horrible movies like many do, but frankly they would not have been nearly as successful without the Star Wars name.
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Reap, I don't think the prequels were horrible movies like many do, but frankly they would not have been nearly as successful without the Star Wars name.
I agree.
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I started watching TESB on "videosite" and was really getting into it. I wouldn't mind owning the original trilogy. Can I still get the OT without all the retarded CGI retardedness added in? As long as the characters don't look like PS1 pixel blocks, I don't care about the video quality that much. I have a shit TV right now anyway.
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I started watching TESB on "videosite" and was really getting into it. I wouldn't mind owning the original trilogy. Can I still get the OT without all the retarded CGI retardedness added in? As long as the characters don't look like PS1 pixel blocks, I don't care about the video quality that much. I have a shit TV right now anyway.
AFAIK, the only way to get it unretouched is on the original VHS box set. You'd probably have to find it on eBay.
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I thought there was that 2-disc release that had the SE version and the original version?
searches....
This?
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-Disc-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B000FQJAIW/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1327893996&sr=8-11
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Yeah, you can get it on DVD, but the transfer of it is pretty crappy and half of the screen is black. :lol Its also only in stereo which is pretty disappointing for a film of Star War's nature.
I have the laserdisc of ROTJ, but alas, no laserdisc player. :lol I hear those are the best versions of the OT since they don't have tape wear and they are better quality than the DVDs.
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You can also serve Thanksgiving turkeys on them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69ftWNg97U&feature=player_embedded
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I couldn't get past 10 seconds of that. :puke:
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I bet that's because you weren't in the target demographic.
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I couldn't get past 10 seconds of that. :puke:
:facepalm:
I hate when trailers talk down to kids.
and I just had a thought.
It would have been sweet if Queen Amidala was Taken and all of Episode 1 was just Liam Neeson trying to get her back and kicking everbody's ass.
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It would have been sweet if Queen Amidala was Taken and all of Episode 1 was just Liam Neeson trying to get her back and kicking everbody's ass.
It pretty much was, except that instead of French people, we got Gungans. I would rather have the French.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69ftWNg97U&feature=player_embedded
I had to turn that off. I felt disgusted. I'd never show that to my kid. I wouldn't want to make him into an idiot.
Star Wars shouldn't be associated with something like this.
This reminds me of the Avatar family trailer. The only reason anyone sees them is because they heard about how horrible they were.
It's not even like these things would get kids into the movies. When you're a kid, you want to see a bad ass movie trailer, not get talked down to.
And if that sounds too much like conjecture, then consider the fact that arguably the most successful kids movie company of the last twenty years, Pixar, has never released a family trailer. At least that I know of.
Stop. Please, just stop.
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Star Wars with ramping. :|
Within the first few seconds I muted it and unpaused Famine by Opeth. It made it very nearly bearable.
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I thought it was funny. What would a Star Wars trailer for five-year-olds sound like? This. Anyone much older than that would be insulted, but as has been said, they're not the target audience. I watched it just because it was so obnoxious. Like a train wreck, I had to take it all in.
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I find myself just not caring about Star Wars anymore, even though I've been a huge fan for most of my life. I didn't get the blu rays, and there's no way I'm seeing these 3D cash grabs. OH BOY JAR JAR'S TONGUE RIGHT IN MY FACE!! CINEMATIC HEAVEN!!
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I find myself just not caring about Star Wars anymore, even though I've been a huge fan for most of my life. I didn't get the blu rays, and there's no way I'm seeing these 3D cash grabs. OH BOY JAR JAR'S TONGUE RIGHT IN MY FACE!! CINEMATIC HEAVEN!!
I'm almost in the same boat. I've been very wary of becoming an elitist nerd who only wants Star Wars exactly how I remember it first time, but I've ended up becoming it. I threw out the 2004 special editions and kept the bonus disc of the original. Jar Jar and seeing constant adverts for the Phantom Menace in 3D makes me angry and I can't help it. People like use need counseling.
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I, for one, will not be watching any of the prequels in 3D. I am still undecided about the OT when it comes out.
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I'm going because I'm not gonna be sober so it is perfectly acceptable.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
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I'll go, but only because I like movie theater popcorn. Come to think of it, that's usually the biggest reason I go to any movies at all.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
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I, for one, will not be watching any of the prequels in 3D. I am still undecided about the OT when it comes out.
This is pretty much my stance. If anything I'll probably at least see Empire.
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The 3D thing is such a huge gimmick, atleast in its current state. I have a hard time believing they will be able to do a good job with it. I saw Avatar in 3D and wasn't impressed at all. However, Lion King in 3D was actually pretty neat, so I feel like that thing works much better with animated movies. I don't know how well it will translate for something recorded 14 years ago, forget something recorded in the 70s when 3D films were nothing more than a distant thought.
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For as crappy as that preview was, it still makes the movie look better that in actually was. :lol
Oh, and if you don't want to wait till tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ntDYjS0Y3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9EYFJ4Clo
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
Sorry, but I can't stand comments like this. WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE PREQUELS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
Sure, they have faults. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy them in spite of said flaws. Doesn't mean everyone else can't, either.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
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For as crappy as that preview was, it still makes the movie look better that in actually was. :lol
Oh, and if you don't want to wait till tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ntDYjS0Y3w
Usually hate those kind of vids but :lol :rollin :mehlin
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
Sorry, but I can't stand comments like this. WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE PREQUELS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
Sure, they have faults. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy them in spite of said flaws. Doesn't mean everyone else can't, either.
:chill
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
I remember when The Phantom Menace was first released- you had two options
1. You could go in one screen and watch The Phantom Menace with digital sound etc
2. Enjoy The Matrix
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
I remember when The Phantom Menace was first released- you had two options
1. You could go in one screen and watch The Phantom Menace with digital sound etc
2. Enjoy The Matrix
Those were the days.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
:rollin
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I took my son to see Episode I when it hit the theaters, and I'm glad, because we both enjoyed it. He was seven and not the most critical viewer. I knew the original trilogy quite well, and knew the challenges Lucas was facing in coming up with this movie, and it wasn't until later reflection, and really after Episode II came out, that I realized the shortcomings of Episode I in terms of the story and how it worked (and didn't work) with what had already been established. Just as it's not really until you view all three prequels as a whole that you really start seeing all the holes and contradictions. If something was missing from I, it could well have shown up in II with a decent explanation. If something happened in II that didn't really make sense, for all we knew it would be explained in III and we'd be amazed at how brilliantly it all fit together.
Okay, most of that didn't happen. But back to the point, Episode I on the big screen was pretty entertaining. After all the hype and 20 years of expectations, there's no way it was going to live up to it all, but once it starts up, who cares?
Except... Jar-Jar Binks. Yeah. :(
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I was 8 when The Phantom Menace came out. I was a huge Star Wars fan at the time, my next door neighbor and I basically molded our lives around the original films and the expanded universe. I remember my parents surprised me by taking me to it, so I must not have realized it was out at the time. :lol At the time I didn't really have a problem with the movie. It was still a bit too childish for me, even at that age, but there were enough cool scenes like the final battle and the pod race that I didn't mind all that much. Episode II on the other hand was a bit disappointing. I can remember being really excited about that movie, taping the teaser trailers on Nickelodeon (still have them somewhere! It was a program that let you watch and tape tv on your computer).
And while I'm not a huge fan of the PT, I don't hate it nearly as much as everyone else seems to. I thought Episode III was a pretty good movie, although there are obviously still quite a few faults in it. Being 8-14 when these films debuted, I definitely didn't originally view them as I would now, so nostalgia is probably keeping me from being much harsher on them. After Episode III, I kind of stopped being a Star Wars fanatic. I knew at the time it would be the last time I watched a real new Star Wars film in the theater (Clone Wars is NOT a real Star Wars movie). I guess I'm just happy to be able to see the films in the theater again.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
According to this poster it is in select 2D theaters as well...
(https://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/star-wars-phantom-menace-3D-poster.jpg)
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
He's seen them all at home and enjoyed everyone, and the big screen will be that much cooler. He's 2. He hasn't developed his internet-era cynicism yet.
Also, to touch on what MetalJunkie alluded to above, the prequel hate at this point in 2012 has gotten more than a little old. We get it. Nobody likes them. The OT is amazing. The PT sucks. All changes Lucas made to the OT suck. This is the general opinion of popular culture and if you do not conform you are wrong. Yawn. Newsflash: there are more than a few people in this world who still enjoy Star Wars for what it is, and that includes the prequel films. Let's all take a deep breath, accept it and move on with life. ::)
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You could always get 2D glasses.
https://www.2d-glasses.com/
(nerdfighters!)
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
??? Well, of course it is. What's your point?
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
You do know Lucas and his track record?!
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Perhaps, but the 3D is still the reason for the re-release.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
You do know Lucas and his track record?!
Yes but re-releasing it in 3D and showing it in 2D as well ? :lol
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Perhaps, but the 3D is still the reason for the re-release.
Drat, and so it is.
Utini!
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
You do know Lucas and his track record?!
Yes but re-releasing it in 3D and showing it in 2D as well ? :lol
So?
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Yes, that is the whole reason for the re-release.
Incorrect. The trailer clearly states that is available in 2D in select theaters.
Making it even more transparent that it's yet another blatant cash grab...
You do know Lucas and his track record?!
Yes but re-releasing it in 3D and showing it in 2D as well ? :lol
Not all theater's are equipped for 3D movies. Never confuse the *reason* for the re-release with actually making money from it.
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I read on Twitter that Hollywood are keen to keep making 3D movies since if you film the screen in a 3D movie - it will look dreadful and unwatchable :P
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(https://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dbcc6a23-f584-4f02-901e-45996f201bc8.jpg)
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(https://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dbcc6a23-f584-4f02-901e-45996f201bc8.jpg)
:rollin
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(https://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dbcc6a23-f584-4f02-901e-45996f201bc8.jpg)
:rollin
Oh, bravo... :clap:
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You know someone needs to tell Lucas that putting The Phantom Menace in 3D doesn't fix the phoned-in screenplay and card board cut out characters.
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According to George Lucas, Han never shot first. (https://www.avclub.com/articles/george-lucas-says-han-never-shot-first-you-were-ju,69159/)
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When will Lucas stop? Will he eventually bring out a 4-D version in the hope we will finally like the prequels?
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According to George Lucas, Han never shot first. (https://www.avclub.com/articles/george-lucas-says-han-never-shot-first-you-were-ju,69159/)
Wow. :lol
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According to George Lucas, Han never shot first. (https://www.avclub.com/articles/george-lucas-says-han-never-shot-first-you-were-ju,69159/)
Its only a matter of time before Lucas is just going to have only Greedo shoot and have the shot ricochet back off the wall to kill himself, while Han just sits there.
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I'm going to all of them so my kid can enjoy Star Wars on the big screen. Is it only in 3D though? I'd rather pass on that if given the option.
Why don't you just skip the prequels if you actually want them to enjoy Star Wars?
He's seen them all at home and enjoyed everyone, and the big screen will be that much cooler. He's 2. He hasn't developed his internet-era cynicism yet.
Also, to touch on what MetalJunkie alluded to above, the prequel hate at this point in 2012 has gotten more than a little old. We get it. Nobody likes them. The OT is amazing. The PT sucks. All changes Lucas made to the OT suck. This is the general opinion of popular culture and if you do not conform you are wrong. Yawn. Newsflash: there are more than a few people in this world who still enjoy Star Wars for what it is, and that includes the prequel films. Let's all take a deep breath, accept it and move on with life. ::)
This exactly.
It's a shame that modern day fandom has become little more than an overly vocal group of hateboys trying to ruin experiences for other people.
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Just found this:
(https://media.screened.com/uploads/2/20944/601159-alderaan_shot_first_wallpaper_4et7c_middle.jpg)
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lol, those bastards had it coming.
Come on Lucas WTF
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OMG LUCAS SUXX I CAN DOES STAR WARS BETTER THAN HIM OLOLOLOL
Anywho, just wanted to say that me and the wifey are stoked to be taking our kiddo to see Ep. 1 tomorrow! I'm looking forward to enjoying a good time at the movies with my family whilst giving zero fucks about all the stupid shit. We'll be seeing it in 2D, I don't think my little one would keep glasses on through an entire movie. Yeah yeah I'll be contributing to Lucas' "gold-plated penthouse next door to satan when I get to hell" fund, sorry about it.
Ok that's it- nerdrage away at me if you so desire. Or not. Either way, it's all good! :tup
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The way I see it, (1) Their Lucas' films. He owns them. He has every right to change them as he sees fit. He also has every right to lie about what his original intent was. (2) Fans have every right to feel that Lucas changing the films ruins them and to call him out on being a liar. Beyond that, IMO, anyone who loses even a single ounce of sleep over any of this needs to reprioritize.
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Hopefully this is the best $2 I'll ever spend.
https://redlettermedia.com/phantom-phriday-mr-plinketts-phantom-menace-commentary-track/
I'm so fucking hard for this right now.
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Took my 6 month old daughter to physical therapy a couple of days ago. Some well meaning boy in the waiting room asked if she liked star wars and whipped out his light saber. ...then proudly informed me, and everyone else, "I'm wearing Star Wars underpants!." :lol His mother chased him away.
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...then proudly informed me, and everyone else, "I'm wearing Star Wars underpants!." :lol His mother chased him away.
Psh! I still use that line in the physical therapy waiting room. More often than not, it works. :eyebrows:
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Do you whip out your lightsaber in the process? It's very awesome.
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https://movies.yahoo.com/news/why-star-wars-prequels-better-original-trilogy-160300514.html
Some guy just trolling the internet by claiming the prequels are better because they're more politically relevant.
Of course, he doesn't acknowledge that two of the three were written before 9/11.
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So I finally saw TPM in 3D today. As I suspected, the 3D was pretty fucking shitty. Ticket cost $15.25. Still, its nice to see the movie in the theater again, since the last time I saw it in a theater was almost 13 years ago. :|
Does anyone have any info on when the next film will be released? Sadly I'll go see it even though I'm not expecting anything better than this. I am excited for the OT though, albeit not really the original trilogy.
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So I finally saw TPM in 3D today. As I suspected, the 3D was pretty fucking shitty. Ticket cost $15.25. Still, its nice to see the movie in the theater again, since the last time I saw it in a theater was almost 13 years ago. :|
Does anyone have any info on when the next film will be released? Sadly I'll go see it even though I'm not expecting anything better than this. I am excited for the OT though, albeit not really the original trilogy.
Last I heard they were planning on releasing one a year, but that depends on how well Phantom does first.
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So I finally saw TPM in 3D today. As I suspected, the 3D was pretty fucking shitty.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a single good thing about post-production 3D.
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New Star Wars movie Poster Revealed...
https://p.twimg.com/AnjUB0jCMAMooQu.png
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(https://img846.imageshack.us/img846/3951/imageglc.jpg)
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So I finally saw TPM in 3D today. As I suspected, the 3D was pretty fucking shitty.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a single good thing about post-production 3D.
https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/showbiz/movies/titanic-3d-review-ew/index.html
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So I finally saw TPM in 3D today. As I suspected, the 3D was pretty fucking shitty.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a single good thing about post-production 3D.
https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/showbiz/movies/titanic-3d-review-ew/index.html
lol ok chino
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4WLYevrixI
Didn't know where else to put this, but it's an official LEGO R2-D2 set!
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(https://img846.imageshack.us/img846/3951/imageglc.jpg)
Big props to the architect. There's no way that was an accident.
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Agreed! It appears to be a practical and useful design, which is how it got approved, and it's even possible that there were some people on the committee that voted for it who didn't even notice the design. Or heck, voted for it because of the design, but were able to back it up because it still works.
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Pffft, that's nothing. I once saw a roundabout on Google Maps that looked just like the Death Star.
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I can't believe I never realized Cliff Clavin was in the rebel army. ...and a captain at that!
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Agreed! It appears to be a practical and useful design, which is how it got approved, and it's even possible that there were some people on the committee that voted for it who didn't even notice the design. Or heck, voted for it because of the design, but were able to back it up because it still works.
The school's official position: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/millennium-falcon-look-alike-_n_1428749.html
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You know who rules? Jabba. Such a cool character.
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Agreed! It appears to be a practical and useful design, which is how it got approved, and it's even possible that there were some people on the committee that voted for it who didn't even notice the design. Or heck, voted for it because of the design, but were able to back it up because it still works.
The school's official position: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/millennium-falcon-look-alike-_n_1428749.html
Hmm, getting nothing but a blank screen. I'll have to check it out later.
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Happy birthday, Attack of the Clones!
Hard to believe it's been ten years...
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Happy birthday, Attack of the Clones!
Hard to believe it's been ten years...
10 years? Wow. I guess it's about time to put the travesty behind us. Hopefully we have used this time to heal.
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Good to see the hatred is still alive and well though.
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Good to see the hatred is still alive and well though.
Nah, no hatred. I have completely forgiven Mr. Lucas for his actions. That's not to say I would mind him being put on trial for his crimes against humanity, but there's no hatred. :). All is forgiven.
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I don't hate AOTC. It's too damn funny to hate, and it's still a hell of a lot more watchable than Episode I, even if only by default.
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The sand line.
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I wish I could just wish my feelings away.
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If they removed the vomit-inducing love story, then the movie could have passed off as a cheesy, laughable, so-bad-it's-kinda-good sci-fi action flick. But every time Anankin and Padme are on screen together, their lines just make you want to gouge out your ear drums with a rusty pair of scissors. Gods, I literally think that movie has the absolute worst romantic dialogue in the history of cinema.
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I don't hate AOTC. It's too damn funny to hate, and it's still a hell of a lot more watchable than Episode I, even if only by default.
Yeah, I've never laughed at a movie as much as at Clones. Granted, we were laughing at it, but whatever, we had a blast.
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
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I think the prequel trilogy is the worst Star Wars movie. I honestly have a difficult time choosing the true cream of the crap.
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I think the prequel trilogy is the worst Star Wars movie. I honestly have a difficult time choosing the true cream of the crap.
From my point of view it is the original trilogy that is terrible!
The prequels are like the opposite of sand.
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You know who rules? Jabba. Such a cool character.
+1
Jabba is a pimp.
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
TPM is much worse. I can't even sit through that movie, that kid is so painful to watch. AOTC is bad, but it has redeeming hliarity, plus some better fights.
AOTC is so bad that it's almost good, whereas TPM is so bad that I just have to leave. :lol
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
TPM is much worse. I can't even sit through that movie, that kid is so painful to watch. AOTC is bad, but it has redeeming hliarity, plus some better fights.
AOTC is so bad that it's almost good, whereas TPM is so bad that I just have to leave. :lol
Better fights? The 3 way fight (while illogical in every way) was way cooler than anything I can remember from ATOC.
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
TPM is much worse. I can't even sit through that movie, that kid is so painful to watch. AOTC is bad, but it has redeeming hliarity, plus some better fights.
AOTC is so bad that it's almost good, whereas TPM is so bad that I just have to leave. :lol
Better fights? The 3 way fight (while illogical in every way) was way cooler than anything I can remember from ATOC.
I didn't think much of the 3 way fight. Kind of just dancing around. The Yoda one was silly, but at least it was entertaining, and there are the clone war scenes. TPM had a kid flying around in a spaceship making stupid calls like "OOPS!" and accidentally saving the day. Vomit.
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Yeah, it's sad when TPM gets kind of a pass when only 15 minutes of it aren't completely awful. That fight scene is cool, but it's not enough to save the turgid dog dump that is the rest of that movie.
Unlike most other SW fans, I don't hate all of AotC. It's watchably bad. Even the romance scenes, which drag, are at least occasionally amusing.
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So are we all in agreement that the Prequel Trilogy is not canon?
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So are we all in agreement that the Prequel Trilogy is not canon?
Bravo sir :clap:
I already removed all the prequel films from my dvd collection and gave them to my cousin.
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What prequels?
Also George should get credit for inventing a new numbering system where the first number is 4............and there are no numbers before it.
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
TPM is much worse. I can't even sit through that movie, that kid is so painful to watch. AOTC is bad, but it has redeeming hliarity, plus some better fights.
AOTC is so bad that it's almost good, whereas TPM is so bad that I just have to leave. :lol
No way. I'm not a huge fan of TPM, but atleast it had Darth Maul, the duel, and the Podrace. AOTC was filled with horrible love scenes, Hayden Christensen, and that horrible anti-climatic lightsaber duel. I think the Yoda dueling scene was even worse than Jar Jar. It was the fakest, dumbest looking shit I have ever seen. Even the battle of Genosis wasn't that interesting to watch.
*falls out of the ship*
"Are you alright-""UH HUH"
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AOTC is easily the worst Star Wars movie.
TPM is much worse. I can't even sit through that movie, that kid is so painful to watch. AOTC is bad, but it has redeeming hliarity, plus some better fights.
AOTC is so bad that it's almost good, whereas TPM is so bad that I just have to leave. :lol
No way. I'm not a huge fan of TPM, but atleast it had Darth Maul, the duel, and the Podrace. AOTC was filled with horrible love scenes, Hayden Christensen, and that horrible anti-climatic lightsaber duel. I think the Yoda dueling scene was even worse than Jar Jar. It was the fakest, dumbest looking shit I have ever seen. Even the battle of Genosis wasn't that interesting to watch.
*falls out of the ship*
"Are you alright-""UH HUH"
I pretty much agree with this completely. I don't really like TPM that much, but at least I can sit through it from beginning to end and get some enjoyment from it here and there as I watch it.
ATOTC on the other hand, I am unable to sit through the whole movie. I just get bored and turn it off. And the lightsaber fight at the end, which is supposed to be the big payoff, ended up being such a dud.
ROTS I actually 75% enjoy, besides NOOOO and Younglings
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ROTS is ruined by the last 3rd of the movie. As soon as he gets called Darth Vader the movie sucks. Everything before that isn't bad.
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ROTS is ruined by the last 3rd of the movie. As soon as he gets called Darth Vader the movie sucks. Everything before that isn't bad.
They really botched that transformation. I was hoping it would be subtle and tasteful, but it was like Palpatine just flipped a switch and Anakin goes from wanting to arrest Palpatine to killing children for him, all in the progression of 60 seconds.
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ROTS is ruined by the last 3rd of the movie. As soon as he gets called Darth Vader the movie sucks. Everything before that isn't bad.
They really botched that transformation. I was hoping it would be subtle and tasteful, but it was like Palpatine just flipped a switch and Anakin goes from wanting to arrest Palpatine to killing children for him, all in the progression of 60 seconds.
Well it was even worse then that. Anakin wanted to save Padme so much (from a nightmare keep in mind) that he felt it was fine to murder dozens of children, all of the Jedi and even wearing red contact lenses. Then as soon as she disagrees with him about something he kills her.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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The last part of ROTS was cool when I saw it at the midnight showing (hey, btw, that come out SEVEN years ago today!), but it certainly hasn't aged well. Parts of it, atleast. The "Nooooo" scene is shameful, some the script was very weak, and Anakin's transformation was done very poorly. Still, mostly a very solid film, miles ahead of TPM and AOTC. I love the ending sequence where the children are separated, kind of brought the films full circle (and I will admit, I teared up the first time I saw it in theaters).
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The last part of ROTS was cool when I saw it at the midnight showing (hey, btw, that come out SEVEN years ago today!), but it certainly hasn't aged well. Parts of it, atleast. The "Nooooo" scene is shameful, some the script was very weak, and Anakin's transformation was done very poorly. Still, mostly a very solid film, miles ahead of TPM and AOTC. I love the ending sequence where the children are separated, kind of brought the films full circle (and I will admit, I teared up the first time I saw it in theaters).
It was sad, when Padme died of a broken heart. Pure emotion right there. Yup. Pure emotion.
Christ what a horrible script.
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I also saw it at midnight, in costume too :facepalm:
And in the moment, it all seemed so cool and I got wrapped up in it, but as time has gone by I noticed more and more flaws.
One thing I will say is that, even though I was caught up in midnight madness, I still cringed during NOOOOOOOOOO
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Star Wars actually changed the way I see movies. When I saw AOTC in theaters, I thought it was amazing.
The last movie I saw in theaters was The Avengers, now I'm worried that if I see it again....I will realize it was terrible, much like AOTC. Oh Xenu I hope I'm wrong.
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ROTS is ruined by the last 3rd of the movie. As soon as he gets called Darth Vader the movie sucks. Everything before that isn't bad.
Pretty much this, although the first half of the movie did nothing for me either.
The whole movie just felt like going through the motions to get from point C back to point A as best they could at that point. Having seen the OT (plus what was so obviously set up in E1 and E2), ROTS just felt very predictable, and just exposition for the sake of tying off the story, rather than telling its own story.
Everything in ROTS either felt redundant or pointless, because it was the middle of the whole story, and not the end.
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Don't know if this has come up before, but I just read an short article saying that David Prowse has never seen any residuals from RotJ because apparently the movie has never turned a profit. I'm not dumping this entirely on Star Wars, since this is just one common element of an insanely stupid business model, but it is exactly why I'd like to see that entire system collapse. Time to steal more movies from torrent sites.
“I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we’ve got nothing to send you. Now here we’re talking about one of the biggest releases of all time,” said Prowse. “I don’t want to look like I’m bitching about it,” he said, “but on the other hand, if there’s a pot of gold somewhere that I ought to be having a share of, I would like to see it.”
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How could anyone expect to get away with sending a letter like that about STAR WARS? WTF?
If this is true, it's got to be one of the ballsiest lies ever.
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Sorry, I meant to link to the whole article which gives a brief explanation. It's all about bullshit accounting practices. Same sort of thing the music industry was doing to people for the last 60 years. He's no different than all of those Motown cats that died penniless.
Last year, we wrote about Hollywood accounting and how the big studios set up "corporations" for each movie, specifically designed to "lose money," often by paying money back to the studio itself. Basically, the studio sets up this "company," but then charges the company a huge "fee," such that the company itself rarely, if ever, becomes profitable. Of course, hugely successful films usually still get past the threshold, but perhaps not all of them. Hugues Lamy points us to the news that the actor who played Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi is saying that Lucasfilm still isn't paying residuals, claiming that the film is still not profitable:
This is why I've never had any qualms about stealing movies and music. Fuck those people. (I do usually pay for games, BTW).
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I thought this was somewhat interesting. As some people are aware, George Lucas has changed a few things in his Star Wars movies over the years. His buddy Steven Spielberg did something similar with his movie "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial".
There's a scene in "E.T." where federal agents armed with rifles are hassling Elliott and his friends on their bikes. When the movie was re-released in 2002, Spielberg added a few deleted scenes back in, and had digitally changed the rifles to walkie-talkies.
He has since stated that he regrets doing that, and when "E.T." comes out on Blu-ray later this year, the original theatrical version will be intact, complete with rifles, and the deleted scenes will be in the extras. Link (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/05/30/et-blu-ray-no-walkie-talkie/)
"I was disappointed in myself... I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
One scene, one somewhat minor thing that a lot of people didn't even notice.
Hmm... I wonder if Spielberg and Lucas still chat.
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I thought this was somewhat interesting. As some people are aware, George Lucas has changed a few things in his Star Wars movies over the years. His buddy Steven Spielberg did something similar with his movie "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial".
There's a scene in "E.T." where federal agents armed with rifles are hassling Elliott and his friends on their bikes. When the movie was re-released in 2002, Spielberg added a few deleted scenes back in, and had digitally changed the rifles to walkie-talkies.
He has since stated that he regrets doing that, and when "E.T." comes out on Blu-ray later this year, the original theatrical version will be intact, complete with rifles, and the deleted scenes will be in the extras. Link (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/05/30/et-blu-ray-no-walkie-talkie/)
"I was disappointed in myself... I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
One scene, one somewhat minor thing that a lot of people didn't even notice.
Hmm... I wonder if Spielberg and Lucas still chat.
And that is why I respect Spielberg.
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It won't happen until he's dead, but he'll eventually be regarded as America's best filmmaker.
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It still blows me away that the man filmed and released Jurassic Park and Schindler's List around the same time.
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I'm really curious how much different ROTJ would been if Spielberg would have been able to direct it, as GL originally intended.
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Yeah, it's sad when TPM gets kind of a pass when only 15 minutes of it aren't completely awful. That fight scene is cool, but it's not enough to save the turgid dog dump that is the rest of that movie.
Holy shit. We must have lived on different planets the last 13 years. I'm not even sure where to begin on that one, it's likely the most bashed film in the history of film. Whether it is deserving of that or not is beside the point.
ROTS is ruined by the last 3rd of the movie. As soon as he gets called Darth Vader the movie sucks. Everything before that isn't bad.
They really botched that transformation. I was hoping it would be subtle and tasteful, but it was like Palpatine just flipped a switch and Anakin goes from wanting to arrest Palpatine to killing children for him, all in the progression of 60 seconds.
Well it was even worse then that. Anakin wanted to save Padme so much (from a nightmare keep in mind) that he felt it was fine to murder dozens of children, all of the Jedi and even wearing red contact lenses. Then as soon as she disagrees with him about something he kills her.
A nightmare that was real. That's the important thing. More importantly, a nightmare he MADE real by trying to prevent it. It's very much like Greek mythology. The dark side is like a drug, and Anakin believed that he could accomplish something good by doing evil things, which is impossible. It consumes you to the point to where it becomes more important to you than your original intention. Also, sith eyes are yellow, not red.
Sorry, I meant to link to the whole article which gives a brief explanation. It's all about bullshit accounting practices. Same sort of thing the music industry was doing to people for the last 60 years. He's no different than all of those Motown cats that died penniless.
Last year, we wrote about Hollywood accounting and how the big studios set up "corporations" for each movie, specifically designed to "lose money," often by paying money back to the studio itself. Basically, the studio sets up this "company," but then charges the company a huge "fee," such that the company itself rarely, if ever, becomes profitable. Of course, hugely successful films usually still get past the threshold, but perhaps not all of them. Hugues Lamy points us to the news that the actor who played Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi is saying that Lucasfilm still isn't paying residuals, claiming that the film is still not profitable:
This is why I've never had any qualms about stealing movies and music. Fuck those people. (I do usually pay for games, BTW).
I'm gonna try to make my point without getting on a high horse, but you're doing more damage than you think. People can hate "the man" all they want, but piracy isn't just about the fat cats. Who it really hurts is people like me. I'll leave it at that.
I thought this was somewhat interesting. As some people are aware, George Lucas has changed a few things in his Star Wars movies over the years. His buddy Steven Spielberg did something similar with his movie "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial".
There's a scene in "E.T." where federal agents armed with rifles are hassling Elliott and his friends on their bikes. When the movie was re-released in 2002, Spielberg added a few deleted scenes back in, and had digitally changed the rifles to walkie-talkies.
He has since stated that he regrets doing that, and when "E.T." comes out on Blu-ray later this year, the original theatrical version will be intact, complete with rifles, and the deleted scenes will be in the extras. Link (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/05/30/et-blu-ray-no-walkie-talkie/)
"I was disappointed in myself... I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T."
One scene, one somewhat minor thing that a lot of people didn't even notice.
Hmm... I wonder if Spielberg and Lucas still chat.
And that is why I respect Spielberg.
And that is why I lost what respect I did have for him. It sure is easy to bend over to fan service and go back on what he obviously believed to be a better artistic choice in the past as long as people will cheer afterward.
Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
I'm really curious how much different ROTJ would been if Spielberg would have been able to direct it, as GL originally intended.
Or his original first choice, David Lynch. :lol
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By the way, Spielberg re-cut Close Encounters at least twice, and one of the results is solidly in my top five films ever. If Lucas were making the movies better, then I'd be commending him. He's not.
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Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
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Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
It seems everyone has the same sentiment that Lucas is free to mess with the movies as much as he wants, as long as people can also have the originals released in the same quality. I don't know why that's so hard to understand, even if he only considers his modified versions to be the definitive versions now.
Even though it's a big undertaking to try and restore the original movies, it also means he gets to double dip with both versions. He's probably afraid that the sales of the original versions will reveal the hard truth about what people think about everything he's done to the movies in the past 15 years. :lol
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Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
Bingo?
That was my point, Spielberg made it so that the special edition won't be available anymore. Yet for all of those complaining that such changes raped their childhood memories, they have no problem with Spielberg saying "sorry, kids who grew up with the new version or anyone that happened to enjoy it, your memories don't fucking count". It's something he did because he is a coward and didn't want anymore backlash. He proved that his desire to be liked is more important, and I just can't respect a man who doesn't have the sack to stand up for his own work.
And the original Star Wars cuts are available on DVD. They're not available in HD (yet), but are preserved in the National Film Registry forever, they'll never die.
By the way, Spielberg re-cut Close Encounters at least twice, and one of the results is solidly in my top five films ever. If Lucas were making the movies better, then I'd be commending him. He's not.
This is clearly a matter of opinion, and beside the point. I have always held your opinion in high regard, however.
Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
It seems everyone has the same sentiment that Lucas is free to mess with the movies as much as he wants, as long as people can also have the originals released in the same quality. I don't know why that's so hard to understand, even if he only considers his modified versions to be the definitive versions now.
The recent uprising of folks praising Spielberg for killing off his special edition of ET prove that this isn't necessarily true. People want to win. They want to be right and Lucas to be wrong. It all ties back to the idea of collective ownership.
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Merely pointing out that I, personally, don't care if he re-edits the movies as much as he wants. I think he ruined them, and I won't support his endeavors. Like everybody else, I'd appreciate if he left the originals available somewhere (which I would actually support).
I suppose the crux of the matter is the philosophical question of the purpose of art. Is it to move the artist, or the people who judge his work? I'd consider that personal decision, and won't fault somebody for deciding to please himself. I will judge his decisions and his work, though, and part of that will be with my wallet.
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Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
It seems everyone has the same sentiment that Lucas is free to mess with the movies as much as he wants, as long as people can also have the originals released in the same quality. I don't know why that's so hard to understand, even if he only considers his modified versions to be the definitive versions now.
The recent uprising of folks praising Spielberg for killing off his special edition of ET prove that this isn't necessarily true. People want to win. They want to be right and Lucas to be wrong. It all ties back to the idea of collective ownership.
There is no right/wrong in the creative realm. This is just petty.
Most opinions I see on the matter express that they just want a good copy of the original movies in HD. They are Lucas' movies, not the public's, and he has the right to do whatever he wants to them. Even if it makes them totally shit.
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Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
That was my point, Spielberg made it so that the special edition won't be available anymore. Yet for all of those complaining that such changes raped their childhood memories, they have no problem with Spielberg saying "sorry, kids who grew up with the new version or anyone that happened to enjoy it, your memories don't fucking count". It's something he did because he is a coward and didn't want anymore backlash. He proved that his desire to be liked is more important, and I just can't respect a man who doesn't have the sack to stand up for his own work.
I realize that it's just a matter of degree, but are you actually saying that that one edit in "E.T." (changing the rifles to walkie-talkies) is the same as the hundreds of edits to dozens of scenes that Lucas has made to the Star Wars movies, sometimes changing the entire meanings of scenes and/or characters?
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Merely pointing out that I, personally, don't care if he re-edits the movies as much as he wants. I think he ruined them, and I won't support his endeavors. Like everybody else, I'd appreciate if he left the originals available somewhere (which I would actually support).
I suppose the crux of the matter is the philosophical question of the purpose of art. Is it to move the artist, or the people who judge his work? I'd consider that personal decision, and won't fault somebody for deciding to please himself. I will judge his decisions and his work, though, and part of that will be with my wallet.
That, I feel, is the correct way to go about it.
Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
It seems everyone has the same sentiment that Lucas is free to mess with the movies as much as he wants, as long as people can also have the originals released in the same quality. I don't know why that's so hard to understand, even if he only considers his modified versions to be the definitive versions now.
The recent uprising of folks praising Spielberg for killing off his special edition of ET prove that this isn't necessarily true. People want to win. They want to be right and Lucas to be wrong. It all ties back to the idea of collective ownership.
There is no right/wrong in the creative realm. This is just petty.
Most opinions I see on the matter express that they just want a good copy of the original movies in HD. They are Lucas' movies, not the public's, and he has the right to do whatever he wants to them. Even if it makes them totally shit.
Agreed, though there are sites and forums like originaltrilogy.com that are more or less dedicated entirely to the ideas I mentioned previously.
Funny how it's all the people griping about preserving cinematic history that get happy about this kind of news. But now it's cool to pretend like the special editions never happened because they're still getting the version they wanted. Like it or not, those versions happened, and they are also part of cinematic history. The notions of preserving cinematic history have always sounded noble, but it has always been more about the notion of collective ownership over a franchise, and fan service is not art.
The gripe has never been that Lucas changed his movies, it's that he changed them and then made the new versions the only ones available. People liked the original versions; they are part of film history. People who like the new versions can be free to buy the new ones; I have no problem with that. I'd just like the choice of being able to purchase a copy of the movie I remember from my childhood and watch it in HD.
That was my point, Spielberg made it so that the special edition won't be available anymore. Yet for all of those complaining that such changes raped their childhood memories, they have no problem with Spielberg saying "sorry, kids who grew up with the new version or anyone that happened to enjoy it, your memories don't fucking count". It's something he did because he is a coward and didn't want anymore backlash. He proved that his desire to be liked is more important, and I just can't respect a man who doesn't have the sack to stand up for his own work.
I realize that it's just a matter of degree, but are you actually saying that that one edit in "E.T." (changing the rifles to walkie-talkies) is the same as the hundreds of edits to dozens of scenes that Lucas has made to the Star Wars movies, sometimes changing the entire meanings of scenes and/or characters?
Have you seen the ET special edition? Because the walkie-talkies were definitely not the only change.
"An extended version of the film, including altered special effects, was released on March 22, 2002. Certain shots of E.T. had bothered Spielberg since 1982, as he did not have enough time to perfect the animatronics. Computer-generated imagery (CGI), provided by Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), was used to modify several shots, including ones of E.T. running in the opening sequence and being spotted in the cornfield. The spaceship's design was also altered to include more lights. Scenes shot for but not included in the original version were introduced. These included E.T. taking a bath, and Gertie telling Mary that Elliott went to the forest. Spielberg did not add the scene featuring Harrison Ford, feeling that would reshape the film too drastically. Spielberg became more sensitive about the scene where gun-wielding federal agents threaten Elliott and his escaping friends and had the guns digitally replaced with walkie-talkies."
But even if it were, I still feel the principle would be the same, albeit a bit diminished. Debates like these just prove how popular and ingrained Star Wars is to pop culture since this news breaks about ET and has nothing to do with Star Wars, yet that's what everyone talks about when it comes out. Compare that with other classic films, Lawrence of Arabia, where the original cuts exist nowhere outside of the national film registry, and Metropolis, which isn't even in there, and nobody seems to mind.
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Might be repost, but this is beyond awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BgAlQuqzl8o
rumborak
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I realize that it's just a matter of degree, but are you actually saying that that one edit in "E.T." (changing the rifles to walkie-talkies) is the same as the hundreds of edits to dozens of scenes that Lucas has made to the Star Wars movies, sometimes changing the entire meanings of scenes and/or characters?
Have you seen the ET special edition? Because the walkie-talkies were definitely not the only change.
"An extended version of the film, including altered special effects, was released on March 22, 2002. Certain shots of E.T. had bothered Spielberg since 1982, as he did not have enough time to perfect the animatronics. Computer-generated imagery (CGI), provided by Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), was used to modify several shots, including ones of E.T. running in the opening sequence and being spotted in the cornfield. The spaceship's design was also altered to include more lights. Scenes shot for but not included in the original version were introduced. These included E.T. taking a bath, and Gertie telling Mary that Elliott went to the forest. Spielberg did not add the scene featuring Harrison Ford, feeling that would reshape the film too drastically. Spielberg became more sensitive about the scene where gun-wielding federal agents threaten Elliott and his escaping friends and had the guns digitally replaced with walkie-talkies."
But even if it were, I still feel the principle would be the same, albeit a bit diminished. Debates like these just prove how popular and ingrained Star Wars is to pop culture since this news breaks about ET and has nothing to do with Star Wars, yet that's what everyone talks about when it comes out. Compare that with other classic films, Lawrence of Arabia, where the original cuts exist nowhere outside of the national film registry, and Metropolis, which isn't even in there, and nobody seems to mind.
Okay, I wasn't aware of all that. I read three articles; two focused on the change from rifles to walkie-talkies, seemingly implying that that's all there was (although re-reading them now, they didn't specifically say that), one mentioned two deleted scenes which were re-inserted, and the other just said that the Blu-ray was back to the original theatrical release. I didn't realize how much tinkering had actually been done.
Yes, the principal is the same, but... I don't know. As others have mentioned, a lot of it comes down to how you view film as an entertainment medium and an art form. Does the public "own" it or does it belong to the filmmaker? Does this mean that the filmmaker is free to change it however he sees fit, or does he have some kind of obligation to his viewing audience?
But it is indeed interesting that Spielberg changes his film back to the original theatrical release, and the first thing people think of it Lucas and Star Wars. It's the first thing I thought of, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
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I didn't care for ET when it first came out, and have no desire to revisit it. What I will say is that most of those changes are superficial. Improvements on the special effects. Where Spielberg thought he went to far was with an edit that significantly altered the tone or feel of the film. If all Lucas had done was redo some explosions and add some extra stormtroopers, then I doubt many would be bitching about it. His changes made the movie completely different. The characters are no longer the same, and the tone is considerably more lighthearted.
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Lawrence of Arabia, where the original cuts exist nowhere outside of the national film registry….
I assume this ‘original’ cut is a shorter one the studios wanted, as it would allow for more viewings per day. Maybe a matter of perspective, but while something like that may be the ‘original’ cut, I wouldn’t consider it the definitive. But yeah, it should exist somewhere, even if no one would ever want to see/buy it.
I don’t see why they can’t do like what they did with Apocalypse Now. If you do a recut, make it obvious and name it something different, and make both available.
Interesting about ET. I never knew that, but if I saw an article entitled "Changes to ET for DVD/BR blah blah..." I wouldn't care enough to read it.
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Might be repost, but this is beyond awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BgAlQuqzl8o
rumborak
Still awesome indeed! :metalI realize that it's just a matter of degree, but are you actually saying that that one edit in "E.T." (changing the rifles to walkie-talkies) is the same as the hundreds of edits to dozens of scenes that Lucas has made to the Star Wars movies, sometimes changing the entire meanings of scenes and/or characters?
Have you seen the ET special edition? Because the walkie-talkies were definitely not the only change.
"An extended version of the film, including altered special effects, was released on March 22, 2002. Certain shots of E.T. had bothered Spielberg since 1982, as he did not have enough time to perfect the animatronics. Computer-generated imagery (CGI), provided by Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), was used to modify several shots, including ones of E.T. running in the opening sequence and being spotted in the cornfield. The spaceship's design was also altered to include more lights. Scenes shot for but not included in the original version were introduced. These included E.T. taking a bath, and Gertie telling Mary that Elliott went to the forest. Spielberg did not add the scene featuring Harrison Ford, feeling that would reshape the film too drastically. Spielberg became more sensitive about the scene where gun-wielding federal agents threaten Elliott and his escaping friends and had the guns digitally replaced with walkie-talkies."
But even if it were, I still feel the principle would be the same, albeit a bit diminished. Debates like these just prove how popular and ingrained Star Wars is to pop culture since this news breaks about ET and has nothing to do with Star Wars, yet that's what everyone talks about when it comes out. Compare that with other classic films, Lawrence of Arabia, where the original cuts exist nowhere outside of the national film registry, and Metropolis, which isn't even in there, and nobody seems to mind.
Okay, I wasn't aware of all that. I read three articles; two focused on the change from rifles to walkie-talkies, seemingly implying that that's all there was (although re-reading them now, they didn't specifically say that), one mentioned two deleted scenes which were re-inserted, and the other just said that the Blu-ray was back to the original theatrical release. I didn't realize how much tinkering had actually been done.
Yes, the principal is the same, but... I don't know. As others have mentioned, a lot of it comes down to how you view film as an entertainment medium and an art form. Does the public "own" it or does it belong to the filmmaker? Does this mean that the filmmaker is free to change it however he sees fit, or does he have some kind of obligation to his viewing audience?
But it is indeed interesting that Spielberg changes his film back to the original theatrical release, and the first thing people think of it Lucas and Star Wars. It's the first thing I thought of, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Indeed. It is a film series that I don't think will ever be topped in terms of effect it has on pop culture. Perhaps it will be topped one day, but I don't think it will be in the medium of film. That's just me though.
As to your other point, it is an interesting one indeed. I understand the argument that without the fan base that buys all of what the artist makes, they are a large part of the success of that franchise just as the creator is. However, my thoughts on the matter are closer to El Barto's, who appears to believe that if you choose to pay for something, you are supporting it using purchasing power. Many believe that more than buying a movie ticket or an action figure, they are buying a stock in how the future of the franchise should be played out.
Lawrence of Arabia, where the original cuts exist nowhere outside of the national film registry….
I assume this ‘original’ cut is a shorter one the studios wanted, as it would allow for more viewings per day. Maybe a matter of perspective, but while something like that may be the ‘original’ cut, I wouldn’t consider it the definitive. But yeah, it should exist somewhere, even if no one would ever want to see/buy it.
I don’t see why they can’t do like what they did with Apocalypse Now. If you do a recut, make it obvious and name it something different, and make both available.
Interesting about ET. I never knew that, but if I saw an article entitled "Changes to ET for DVD/BR blah blah..." I wouldn't care enough to read it.
Yeah, that's where it gets to be a gray area. Are we supposed to expect every cut of every movie to survive each time a new video medium arises? Or do we just select one and run. Then the issue is which version. The original? The director's cut? The most popular? What about those who love the film but prefer a version that isn't as popular? Who is to say? It's an interesting struggle to me.
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There are like 8 billion different cuts of Bladerunner out there and somehow, Ridley and Co. managed to fit each and every one on the last DVD release.
So yes, it is possible to preserve most if not all cuts of a film. Especially for incredibly successful films like SW. Bladerunner was a flop on release.
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Yet people were happier when this didn't happen in the case of E.T.
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One thing that is being forgotten:
I have that DVD release of ET. Yes, it featured an extended cut with touch-ups and changes.
It also included the original cut of the film.
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HAN SOLO LIVES IN MY TOWN!!!!!!!
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(and he shot first)
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One thing that is being forgotten:
I have that DVD release of ET. Yes, it featured an extended cut with touch-ups and changes.
It also included the original cut of the film.
Fun fact: Spielberg didn't want it that way. The 1982 cut was such a last minute edition that it wasn't advertised on the case or shrink wrap.
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One thing that is being forgotten:
I have that DVD release of ET. Yes, it featured an extended cut with touch-ups and changes.
It also included the original cut of the film.
Fun fact: Spielberg didn't want it that way. The 1982 cut was such a last minute edition that it wasn't advertised on the case or shrink wrap.
If you say so. But once you open it, there are only two discs, and disc 2 is clearly marked "Original Theatrical Release."
He may not have wanted it at first. Things like this are a process. But the fact is that fans of the film were never deprived of the original version of the film.
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One thing that is being forgotten:
I have that DVD release of ET. Yes, it featured an extended cut with touch-ups and changes.
It also included the original cut of the film.
Fun fact: Spielberg didn't want it that way. The 1982 cut was such a last minute edition that it wasn't advertised on the case or shrink wrap.
If you say so. But once you open it, there are only two discs, and disc 2 is clearly marked "Original Theatrical Release."
He may not have wanted it at first. Things like this are a process. But the fact is that fans of the film were never deprived of the original version of the film.
I'm sure it was labeled. I was just stating a fact.
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If I were teaching a class titled "How Not To Appear Defensive In An Argument 101," one of the first things I would teach my students is to never come back with, "I was just stating a fact." When people say that, I know they think it sounds like they are saying something important. But in reality, they aren't really saying anything at all.
But no offense. I was just stating a fact.
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If I were teaching a class titled "How Not To Appear Defensive In An Argument 101," one of the first things I would teach my students is to never come back with, "I was just stating a fact." When people say that, I know they think it sounds like they are saying something important. But in reality, they aren't really saying anything at all.
But no offense. I was just stating a fact.
Thanks but I wasn't trying to be snippy. The only reason I brought it up at all was because of the condescending "if you say so".
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So.
In Summary :
George "Filthy" Lucre = Douchebag.
Spielberg = Good.
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So.
In Summary :
George "Filthy" Lucre = Douchebag.
Spielberg = Good.
Pretty much. But, since GL has essentially made Star Wars his life's work, he's voluntarily resigned himself to being judged solely on that basis, where he fails horribly. Spielberg continues to do new things, and gets judged on all of them. Some of those have been good enough to earn him great status.
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If I were teaching a class titled "How Not To Appear Defensive In An Argument 101," one of the first things I would teach my students is to never come back with, "I was just stating a fact." When people say that, I know they think it sounds like they are saying something important. But in reality, they aren't really saying anything at all.
But no offense. I was just stating a fact.
Thanks but I wasn't trying to be snippy. The only reason I brought it up at all was because of the condescending "if you say so".
Neither was I. You were just unfortunate enough to fall victim to my ''just stating a fact" pet peeve. :)
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Pretty much. But, since GL has essentially made Star Wars his life's work, he's voluntarily resigned himself to being judged solely on that basis, where he fails horribly. Spielberg continues to do new things, and gets judged on all of them. Some of those have been good enough to earn him great status.
Spielberg made Duel and Jaws several years before Star Wars even came out.
He also went on to direct E.T. Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, All the best Indy films, Close Encounters, War Of The Worlds ( I liked it ) and many other classics.
George Lucre is primarily now known for ruining his one good idea.
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If I were teaching a class titled "How Not To Appear Defensive In An Argument 101," one of the first things I would teach my students is to never come back with, "I was just stating a fact." When people say that, I know they think it sounds like they are saying something important. But in reality, they aren't really saying anything at all.
But no offense. I was just stating a fact.
Thanks but I wasn't trying to be snippy. The only reason I brought it up at all was because of the condescending "if you say so".
It wasn't condescending. I had never heard that he didn't want it included, so I said "If you say so." Because you said so. And I never hear Spielberg say so.
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Pretty much. But, since GL has essentially made Star Wars his life's work, he's voluntarily resigned himself to being judged solely on that basis, where he fails horribly. Spielberg continues to do new things, and gets judged on all of them. Some of those have been good enough to earn him great status.
Spielberg made Duel and Jaws several years before Star Wars even came out.
He also went on to direct E.T. Jurassic Park, Schindler's List, All the best Indy films, Close Encounters, War Of The Worlds ( I liked it ) and many other classics.
George Lucre is primarily now known for ruining his one good idea.
Yeah, that pretty much spells it out. And is why Lucas has no right to complain about angry fanboys.
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If I were teaching a class titled "How Not To Appear Defensive In An Argument 101," one of the first things I would teach my students is to never come back with, "I was just stating a fact." When people say that, I know they think it sounds like they are saying something important. But in reality, they aren't really saying anything at all.
But no offense. I was just stating a fact.
Thanks but I wasn't trying to be snippy. The only reason I brought it up at all was because of the condescending "if you say so".
It wasn't condescending. I had never heard that he didn't want it included, so I said "If you say so." Because you said so. And I never hear Spielberg say so.
Fair enough. It's just that the phrase is used in a backhanded way 95% of the time.
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The real bummer about episode I-III is that the storylines themselves aren't all that bad. I almost wish some director did like a Peter Jackson thing and reshot all three movies.
rumborak
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The real bummer about episode I-III is that the storylines themselves aren't all that bad. I almost wish some director did like a Peter Jackson thing and reshot all three movies.
rumborak
I think the storylines are pretty bad.
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I agree. I remember Reap or someone had a pretty interesting rewrite a while back.
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The storylines did not come off as interesting enough to be the backbone of not one but three AAA movies. Of course not having well developed characters hurts too.
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The real bummer about episode I-III is that the storylines themselves aren't all that bad. I almost wish some director did like a Peter Jackson thing and reshot all three movies.
rumborak
The stories are great. A lot of people really get caught up in the flaws, and though they exist (some of them obvious), they've never been enough to destroy the strengths of the films, in my book anyway. Film school definitely helped me see them in a new light, but I've always enjoyed them.
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I agree. I remember Reap or someone had a pretty interesting rewrite a while back.
I rewrote part of one scene because my ego is fragile.
The real bummer about episode I-III is that the storylines themselves aren't all that bad. I almost wish some director did like a Peter Jackson thing and reshot all three movies.
rumborak
The story lines are bad. The fundamental problem with the prequel trilogy is how obvious it is George Lucas did not understand Darth Vader.
There is exactly one decent Anakin scene in the entire prequel trilogy. It's the one where Anakin tells Padme she should join him so they can overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy. Aside from being a great echo of TESB, it's his character in a nut shell.
Vader was never a whiny brat or a psychopath. He very possibly would have killed all the Sand People after seeing that they raped and murdered his mom, but then he would have been 100% unapologetic about it (because he wouldn't have killed them out of a sense of rage motivated by powerlessness, but simply because he calculated that they deserved it). He would have also been smart enough to lie about it. He NEVER would have told Padme about it in a weepy fit. And - this is important - the relationship he had with the Emperor would have been important because the Emperor would have been the only person he knew he could tell about it. In the prequels, Anakin has this weird lack-of-a-father-figure-so-I-need-a-new-one relationship with the Emperor. Vader would never so willingly submit himself to anyone.
The logical question then is - if Vader in the prequels should have been so much more similar to his character in the originals, then where's the room for change? Simple. It's implied that Vader's turn to the dark side was tragic because, beforehand, he was basically an honorable and noble guy with a strong sense of self-worth. The tragedy of his turn to the dark side should have come from him abandoning those sides of his personality to serve the Emperor.
Now ask yourself, would you describe Anakin's character in the prequels as honorable and noble?
I didn't think so.
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For having so many passions in common, I don't think I've ever encountered someone I disagree with more than you, Reap. :lol
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The fundamental problem with the prequel trilogy is how obvious it is George Lucas did not understand Darth Vader.
Now you do realize how presumptuous it is to say that George Lucas did not understand Darth Vader, right? He created the character, and I'm certain that he will argue to the death that he alone truly understands Vader and the story plays out exactly as it was meant to, blah blah blah.
But I agree with you. Darth Vader was one of the best bad guys in cinema. First impression was pure evil, combined with that incredible helmet/breathing apparatus and suit, telekinetic power and hints at telepathic power, a truly imposing and terrifying figure. And yet something of his humanity was still there, tucked away, and was tapped by the end of Episode VI. Lucas created him, but when it came time to explore how he got to be that way, even though we already knew half the story, he had no idea what to do. All Lucas had to do was connect the dots, and do it with the some style. He only got the first part right.
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I agree. I remember Reap or someone had a pretty interesting rewrite a while back.
I rewrote part of one scene because my ego is fragile.
The real bummer about episode I-III is that the storylines themselves aren't all that bad. I almost wish some director did like a Peter Jackson thing and reshot all three movies.
rumborak
The story lines are bad. The fundamental problem with the prequel trilogy is how obvious it is George Lucas did not understand Darth Vader.
There is exactly one decent Anakin scene in the entire prequel trilogy. It's the one where Anakin tells Padme she should join him so they can overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy. Aside from being a great echo of TESB, it's his character in a nut shell.
Vader was never a whiny brat or a psychopath. He very possibly would have killed all the Sand People after seeing that they raped and murdered his mom, but then he would have been 100% unapologetic about it (because he wouldn't have killed them out of a sense of rage motivated by powerlessness, but simply because he calculated that they deserved it). He would have also been smart enough to lie about it. He NEVER would have told Padme about it in a weepy fit. And - this is important - the relationship he had with the Emperor would have been important because the Emperor would have been the only person he knew he could tell about it. In the prequels, Anakin has this weird lack-of-a-father-figure-so-I-need-a-new-one relationship with the Emperor. Vader would never so willingly submit himself to anyone.
The logical question then is - if Vader in the prequels should have been so much more similar to his character in the originals, then where's the room for change? Simple. It's implied that Vader's turn to the dark side was tragic because, beforehand, he was basically an honorable and noble guy with a strong sense of self-worth. The tragedy of his turn to the dark side should have come from him abandoning those sides of his personality to serve the Emperor.
Now ask yourself, would you describe Anakin's character in the prequels as honorable and noble?
I didn't think so.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty good assessment. As I see it, GL never explored the kid's daddy issues, instead spending all of his time focusing on Padme. The problem is that with Padme being the core of his issues, his fatal flaw is reduced to the simple fact that he's a fucking idiot. Nothing in his transformation really related to her, except that he had a misguided suspicion that she'd die. It Lucas had spent some time dealing with daddy/Palpatine, at least we could say there was something significant enough to account for his turn to the darkside, rather than just outright naivete. That would make the death of Annakin tragic and meaningful.
I'll stop short of saying that his story sucked. I think he had the outline of a wonderful story, and there's no reason why he couldn't have fleshed it out nicely over three films. He just sucks at story telling. He worries about making it appealing to a dumbed down audience and how it can be marketed. That leads him to focus on the wrong stuff. His interest in making it a children's film is certainly a big component of that. A darker tone wouldn't have saved it in it's current form, but it would have been an improvement.
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I hope something crazy happens with the IP rights and someone is able to go and do it right after GL dies. Bear in mind I have no idea how IP law works (yet).
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I don't understand people who say the prequels have a great story. There's a whole mess of go-nowhere plots, confusing motivations, a lack of thematic continuity, and characters doing stupid things (or out-of-character things).
I guess people are talking about the core "A good man turns evil" story, but to interpret that as the actual story means stripping away 99% of the actual plot. There are much more to the films (or any film) than that.
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True, but there is also a difference between the story and the plot, and differing opinions on which is which. To me, the basic story is of a guy who started off good, with good intentions, who through a series of tragedies and lack of proper guidance, became something very, very evil. That's not a bad story right there, if a bit cliché.
It's how it all played out that most people have trouble with. I think of that as the plot. Or hell, maybe that's the story and the outline is the plot. Which is which?
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True, but there is also a difference between the story and the plot, and differing opinions on which is which. To me, the basic story is of a guy who started off good, with good intentions, who through a series of tragedies and lack of proper guidance, became something very, very evil. That's not a bad story right there, if a bit cliché.
It's how it all played out that most people have trouble with. I think of that as the plot. Or hell, maybe that's the story and the outline is the plot. Which is which?
I think the story and plot are very much intertwined. I was under the impression that when people refer to "story" rather than the plot, is that the "story" includes the thematic elements in addition to plot. But I may be off base.
The "basic story" you describe of the prequels is one shared by literally thousands of works of fiction. It's not a useful descriptor, because it's so vague and reductive. By boiling down the entirety of what happens to a couple of words, one can make anything sound like anything else, or sound compelling. Just to give two other noteworty (and visual examples), The Godfather films and Breaking Bad both share the same "basic story." But they are both very different (and far superior), because when you're working off the basis of something as simple as that, execution is 99%.
If we're going to be this vague, one could just as easily apply the "Well, the core story is good!" argument to loads of other dreck. Twilight, or Battleship, or that endless string of awful parody movies, etc.
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But that's still essentially true. Movies often get made because there's just enough "core story" to string together a series of explosions or car crashes or tit scenes or dudes beating the shit out of each other. Whatever you have. Sometimes movies get made because they really do tell a great story. Anakin Skywalker's basic story isn't bad, it really is the execution that sucked. The dialogue. The missing scenes that would've made his motivations more clear. The too-many scenes of crap because Lucas thought it was really a love story or something.
But the more I think about it, the more I realize that I don't know the difference between "story" and "plot" other than that I'm sure they mean different things. ???
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From what I can tell, you guys are basically right. A story is a journey a character goes through. The plot is simply what happens.
The story in the prequels is wrong, and the plot is a mess.
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(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/487344_3390613006034_335345965_n.jpg)
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"You'll always shoot first with Hahn." :biggrin:
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One of those weird things - even though my oldest daughter has all 6 episodes on DVD, I watched portions of AOTC and ROTS this past week while Spike was airing them. As I watch, I'm trying to decide with my wife (who is only half-watching and not much of a fan) is Christensen REALLY that shitty of an actor, or is it mostly Lucas' writing and directing? Or is it 50-50? Impossible to tell really, I just know my youngest daughter, all of 13, was making fun of his acting. :facepalm:
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Hayden was quite good in Shattered Glass. I blame mostly Lucas for having no clue how to direct actors (as everyone who has worked with him has said). But Hayden clearly didn't understand the character either.
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Plus shooting entirely on Green Screen can't motivate you as an actor very well. As Ewen Mcgregor has said many times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlc01vH8kLU&t=8m01s
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But Hayden clearly didn't understand the character either.
I've seen Episodes 1-3 probably 3 times each and I don't understand that character either.
Is Darth Malak the most annoyingly difficult enemy in the history of video games?
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I never had trouble understanding Anakin, I love his character actually, but Hayden definitely didn't have a whole hell of a lot to go on.
And yes, he was good in Shattered Glass despite being overshadowed by Peter Sarsgaard. People who knew Glass in real life said the performance was spot on. There are a lot of great actors in the prequels but a lot of flat performances.
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Yea I'd say that when you have Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Jar Jar Binx, and Samuel L. Jackson in movies and still can only get mediocre performances at best, then the fault is with Lucas.
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Yea I'd say that when you have Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Jar Jar Binx, and Samuel L. Jackson in movies and still can only get mediocre performances at best, then the fault is with Lucas.
You sly devil. Well I blame Lucas anyway. His love scenes were the worst in history. Even deaf people shuttered.
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I'll take it one step further:
Lucas didn't understand the character of Anakin.
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Christensen was badly miscast.
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Christensen was badly miscast.
While I agree....I gotta ask, who would you have cast? Is there really anyone who would have delivered those lines better and have been a better Anakin based solely on the already written scripts?
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Yea I'd say that when you have Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Jar Jar Binx, and Samuel L. Jackson in movies and still can only get mediocre performances at best, then the fault is with Lucas.
Or even some of the bit parts by good actors/actresses like Rose Byrne.
Christensen was badly miscast.
While I agree....I gotta ask, who would you have cast? Is there really anyone who would have delivered those lines better and have been a better Anakin based solely on the already written scripts?
That's the dilemma, nobody has really ever offered a viable alternative. Early talks were about Leo DiCaprio and nobody liked the idea and thought it would be an awful choice, and at the time, it likely would have been since that was pre-Scorcese and Nolan Leo.
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I would have liked to see what Tom Hardy would have done with the role. He just has a presence about him where I respect and find him captivating.
Hayden on the other hand, I just don't find appealing, whether its Star Wars or any of his other work.
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I would have liked to see what Tom Hardy would have done with the role. He just has a presence about him where I respect and find him somewhat captivating.
Hayden on the other hand, I just don't find appealing, whether its Star Wars or any of his other work.
Considering how terrible he was in Star Trek, I doubt he would have been any better in Star Wars. And I like Tom Hardy, but he's still bound by the script and directing.
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Christensen was badly miscast.
While I agree....I gotta ask, who would you have cast? Is there really anyone who would have delivered those lines better and have been a better Anakin based solely on the already written scripts?
Well, the character wasn't well written at all, but I think Hayden was a dud. He's not how I pictured Anakin. There isn't a known actor I can think of who would have worked, but Hayden wasn't really that well known either.
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It depends on how he's written. As it is, Anakin is written poorly and can't be played as anything other than what we have seen.
However thinking about it now, I would have removed the overly emotional whiny kid angle. I would have had young Anakin be an idealist and a romantic who is forced to rid himself of emotions by the Jedi. As he then grows emotionless, he uses his cold logic to determine that the Jedi must be exterminated in order to bring about a perfect sense of order. It would also play much more into the Darth Vader we knew from the other movies.
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It depends on how he's written. As it is, Anakin is written poorly and can't be played as anything other than what we have seen.
For me, Hayden's acting was just dull and lifeless. Somebody with more spark could inject some life into the bad dialogue, so I could say "What a poorly done character, but at least the acting's great!" The original trilogy has some corny lines, but the cast was more charismatic. And Ewan McGregor was great as Obi-Wan, but didn't have the best material to work with. But yeah, maybe Lucas wanted a dull, lifeless Anakin, so any actor in the role would have been pretty similar.
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It wouldn't have mattered who was casted in the role of Anakin. The problems were already present in the Phantom Menace. When you have actors like Liam Neeson, Ewan MacGregor and Natalie Portman who all had excellent performances in the past and now all three have lifeless, uninspired characters here, it's no longer a question of who you cast but of Russian Roulette. You could have cast Patrick Steward in the role and I bet it wouldn't have changed a thing. Granted, Hayden isn't established like the three I mentioned above, but I have heard he has potential. Anakin was just a poorly written and conceived character the minute Lucas decided he wanted to flesh out his past. As mentioned his whiny attitude, complete disregard for any authority, self-centered, self righteous attitude (same issues with the new James Kirk mind you) pretty much guaranteed that most people will simply try and pretend this character profile does not exist.
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But Hayden clearly didn't understand the character either.
Is Darth Malak the most annoyingly difficult enemy in the history of video games?
What? He's easy. Just destroy the "human batteries" he uses.
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Found this over at my parents house:
(https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5919/ohyeahsw.jpg)
Now to track down the other two.
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Yea I'd say that when you have Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Jar Jar Binx, and Samuel L. Jackson in movies and still can only get mediocre performances at best, then the fault is with Lucas.
:lol
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Well, Jar Jar has been good in every other movie I've seen him in.
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:rollin
Seriously... Jar Jar is a perfect example of how sometimes a 'comic relief' character can go terribly wrong.
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It's Binks, not Binx. The more you know.
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Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
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Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
I might talk smack about the Star Wars prequels, but Transformers 2 is the worst movie I have ever seen in my life that wasn't trying to be bad. I'd rather watch the prequels over and over than Transformers 2.
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Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
They were supposed to be comic relief?
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Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
I might talk smack about the Star Wars prequels, but Transformers 2 is the worst movie I have ever seen in my life that wasn't trying to be bad. I'd rather watch the prequels over and over than Transformers 2.
...Implying that the prequels were trying to be bad?
Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
They were supposed to be comic relief?
I gotta second that.
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Skids and Mudflap. :azn:
I might talk smack about the Star Wars prequels, but Transformers 2 is the worst movie I have ever seen in my life that wasn't trying to be bad. I'd rather watch the prequels over and over than Transformers 2.
...Implying that the prequels were trying to be bad?
Not at all. Implying that Transformers 2 was immensely worse than any of the prequels.
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Found this over at my parents house:
(https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5919/ohyeahsw.jpg)
Now to track down the other two.
Sweet!
Han shot first.
:P
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Speaking of which, I was going through some old records at my grandparents' house (my girlfriend got me a record player for my birthday a year ago and it finally occurred to me to ask if they had some records), and I found the original 1977 soundtrack. I'm gonna go get it from them next week.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBM7i84BThE&feature=youtu.be
:D
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I finally watched The People vs George Lucas. Great documentary. I was glad to see that it was way more than just people complaining. They brought up some interesting points I hadn't thought of before.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI)
That's all Folks.
Move along.
Nothing more to see here.
Star Wars officially dead.
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I personally like how they made bosk more bosk-like.
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I saw Star Wars in the theater in 77, when I was 7 years old. It was the greatest fucking thing in the world.
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I remember Star Wars.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI)
That's all Folks.
Move along.
Nothing more to see here.
Star Wars officially dead.
This is similar to the lightheartedness of the Lego Star Wars games. I'm ok with something like this because it isn't trying to be something it's not, unlike the prequels.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI)
That's all Folks.
Move along.
Nothing more to see here.
Star Wars officially dead.
I watched that video and was immediately filled with disgust and contempt. I'm not sure why I even bothered to finish it, but... Three minute later I realized I was laughing. Not at the absurdity of the show, but at the jokes in the show. Fuck. I might have to watch this.
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There's definitely some funny in there, but there's also some laughable (not in the good way) attempts at trying to sound 'hip' and 'cool.' It could be good or it could end up being a mix of amusing and awful.
I'm guessing the latter.
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Why do I get the feeling Lucas OK'd this project just to piss off the fans?
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I always forget about that angle, that Lucas ultimately okays or nixes pretty much anything that has to do with Star Wars. Even if it was "underground", Lucas probably has the resources to hunt them down and blow them out of the water. Therefore, he OK'd this.
As for why? With the plethora of fanfic out there (EU books, etc.) I think he feels that the more Star Wars, the better. I don't see a really high standard being kept.
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Well, it's an interesting situation. Not a lot of authors/producers/directors, etc. let other people make a ton of content in the worlds they created. While he does ultimately give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down, he always draws the line of "the movies are my story, everything else isn't".
Speaking of that, has anyone seen the footage for 1313? :hat
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According to Wiki - not only did he Ok this...
But it was HIS IDEA.
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Really? I could have sworn I heard Seth Green talking about coming up with the show and starting it two years ago.
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According to Wiki - not only did he Ok this...
But it was HIS IDEA.
Why do I get the feeling Lucas OK'd this project just to piss off the fans?
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Saw that preview - many facepalms were had. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Lucas DID sign off on that in a futile attempt to be "hip" and "relevant". Way to go, George - thank you so much for raping my childhood.
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Saw that preview - many facepalms were had. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Lucas DID sign off on that in a futile attempt to be "hip" and "relevant". Way to go, George - thank you so much for raping my childhood.
Though I love all the films and idolize Lucas as an artist and business man, I understand why some don't. I try to empathize, but comments like this make it just about impossible.
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So this was interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y
It's no RedLetterMedia, but an interesting take nonetheless.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRNXFhboBI)
That's all Folks.
Move along.
Nothing more to see here.
Star Wars officially dead.
I watched that video and was immediately filled with disgust and contempt. I'm not sure why I even bothered to finish it, but... Three minute later I realized I was laughing. Not at the absurdity of the show, but at the jokes in the show. Fuck. I might have to watch this.
I don't know how I *just now* saw this...but I share MJ's reaction. At first, I really wasn't sure...but by the end of it, I was really laughing my butt off.
And as someone said...this is not trying to be something that it's not. It's a parody *on purpose*...unlike the prequels, which were a parody by accident. Big difference.
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It's so obvious that it's a parody. Love all the clips - https://www.starwars.com/watch/detours/
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I ask all those who had an initial negative reaction....please watch it again, but this time think of it as a clean version of Robot Chicken.
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Totally... and there's only 6 clips, each about a minute.
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Don't you get it? His name was Windu and he went out a window.
...you all thought it was hilarious.
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Um, I totally love parody. It's one of my favorite forms of humor. But that show just looks lazy and uninspired.
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Um, I totally love parody. It's one of my favorite forms of humor. But that show just looks lazy and uninspired.
Well it's a parody of a parody. It's not parodying Star Wars as much as it is the people who try (unsuccessfully) to parody Star Wars.
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J.J. Abrams turned down Star Wars VII (https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2012/12/jj-abrams-turned-down-star-wars-vii.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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I like J.J. Abrams, but I'm happy about this news.
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Star Wars with no lens flair?
...I'm okay with this.
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They need to ask Joss Whedon, dammit.
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They need to ask Joss Whedon, dammit.
I'm positive that he will be *at least invited* to do 8 or 9. But I know he won't even get approached for 7 because he's booked. (Avengers 2 and all...)
EDIT: Verified. Avengers 2 tentative release date is May 1st 2015....so it will actually be competing with the new Star Wars movie. THAT will be interesting.
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They need to ask Joss Whedon, dammit.
I'm positive that he will be *at least invited* to do 8 or 9. But I know he won't even get approached for 7 because he's booked. (Avengers 2 and all...)
EDIT: Verified. Avengers 2 tentative release date is May 1st 2015....so it will actually be competing with the new Star Wars movie. THAT will be interesting.
Well you know which one will get my vote.
Though they'll both get my money. (Damnit!)
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This is pretty cool, had no idea about it:
https://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/12/20-12-pl_blackangel/
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I've never heard of that either.
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How do you think/hope Episode VII will start out, after the opening crawl?
I'd love to see a pan over to a nearby star, or a bright planet like Tatooine, and push in and we see a silhouette of the Falcon and we all *gasp* and go "aaaaaaaaah, Han Solo is back in the Falcon, wheeeeeeee!". But then as we get closer, and closer, and closer, we see that it isn't the Falcon at all and it's some other ship that "we have a bad feeling about" and then the movie starts.
:)
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So me and my friend watched Episode IV last night, really great stuff. He hasn't seen the movies before, and the last time (and only time) I saw the original movies was like 14 years ago or something.
Seeing Episode V tonight and VI tomorrow.
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I just finished watching the original trilogy on Blu-Ray. Great stuff!
The changes Lucas made for these editions... They didn't ruin the trilogy, but I thought some of them were silly. Darth Vader screaming "Nooo!!!" at the end of ROTJ and then Hayden Christensen appearing at the end with Obi-Wan and Yoda were two really silly changes (although I think the Hayden Christensen one has been there for a while).
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I just finished watching the original trilogy on Blu-Ray. Great stuff!
The changes Lucas made for these editions... They didn't ruin the trilogy, but I thought some of them were silly. Darth Vader screaming "Nooo!!!" at the end of ROTJ and then Hayden Christensen appearing at the end with Obi-Wan and Yoda were two really silly changes (although I think the Hayden Christensen one has been there for a while).
God I had totally forgotten about the Noooo at the end of ROTJ.
I guess I tried to block it out.
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I just finished watching the original trilogy on Blu-Ray. Great stuff!
Darth Vader screaming "Nooo!!!" at the end of ROTJ
Honestly thought (hoped) this was a joke when I originally heard about it. Still haven't seen it. Hopefully now though, there's a decent chance that Disney will release the original trilogy unaltered on Blu Ray.
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
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I get that, when I said unaltered I mean't get rid of things like the unnecessary Jabba scene in A New Hope, the "NOOOOOOO!" etc. The added ships and digital enhancements I'm cool with. At least he didn't get to stick a CGI Yoda in the originals though.
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
This is where I am as well. Fix bad effects, maybe add a few things (although the extra creatures walking around Mos Eisley stick out pretty obviously), but changing the actual story is going too far.
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
This is where I am as well. Fix bad effects, maybe add a few things (although the extra creatures walking around Mos Eisley stick out pretty obviously), but changing the actual story is going too far.
The problem is the people crying for un-changed editions basically voice their opinion as "No changes in the slightest bit". Which means IF a new version comes out, it will be exactly like the original, bad effects and all.
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That would seem to be the most common demand among those who want unaltered versions. They want it exactly as originally shown in theaters, mattes and bad effects and everything, all in glorious high definition.
It's a tough call, and I see why there are actually many different opinions regarding how much is too much. It seems to me that the original theatrical edition should at least be available. If GL or Disney or whoever want to continue to releases modified versions, that's fine, but at least make the original version available.
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With Blu-ray becoming more and more the standard, and the data capacity they have, there's no reason that they can't release the original theatrical version and the '97 one in the same disc.
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It's confusing because the movies have been changed at least three times: 97, 04, and 11.
Here's some info in great detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases)
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
This is where I am as well. Fix bad effects, maybe add a few things (although the extra creatures walking around Mos Eisley stick out pretty obviously), but changing the actual story is going too far.
The problem is the people crying for un-changed editions basically voice their opinion as "No changes in the slightest bit". Which means IF a new version comes out, it will be exactly like the original, bad effects and all.
What's wrong with that? It's a movie made in the 70's, it's going to have dated looking shit. It's a product of its time.
That's not to say that I'm against a release that is just random touching up of the source material, but I can guarantee that won't ever happen. If it's a choice between the updated versions OR the originals, give me the originals any day of the week.
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
That's where I think it would be cool if they could do a release that had all variations for each scene and we got to choose what we wanted for each one in a menu. :lol Those updates are too much a mix of great and bad. Though, the Hayden ghost actually seemed reasonable to me and never bothered me.
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I really wish there was a middle ground release. Like, I actually a lot of the digital enhancements made, such as adding in more ships to the fights, or fixing the light sabers or fixing bad special effects from the original. But when they altered what actually happens, like Greedo shooting first, or the dancing scene in Jedi or anything that isn't just an actual enhancement, then I would like it without those. But it seems either people want the completely updated ones or strictly the originals with no changes in the slightest bit. Which sucks for me.
This is where I am as well. Fix bad effects, maybe add a few things (although the extra creatures walking around Mos Eisley stick out pretty obviously), but changing the actual story is going too far.
The problem is the people crying for un-changed editions basically voice their opinion as "No changes in the slightest bit". Which means IF a new version comes out, it will be exactly like the original, bad effects and all.
What's wrong with that? It's a movie made in the 70's, it's going to have dated looking shit. It's a product of its time.
That's not to say that I'm against a release that is just random touching up of the source material, but I can guarantee that won't ever happen. If it's a choice between the updated versions OR the originals, give me the originals any day of the week.
That's not the issue. Had they never updated it, no one would have cared.
But they did. They essentially said "Look how amazing it CAN be.......but only if we add in all this extra horrible stuff that no one wants. But you can't anything in between". It was a tease. It would be like if DT re-recorded a well produced WDADU but with MP on all the vocals.
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Oh I get that, I just don't see what's so bad about the original.
It's not exactly analogous to the WDaDU's production. Star Wars was a technical marvel for its time, WDaDU's production sucked ass even for its time. Redoing all the s/fx in SW is like remixing Images and Words just to get rid of the snare drum and slight 80's production sound: it might be nice but it's not really needed.
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Oh I get that, I just don't see what's so bad about the original.
It's not exactly analogous to the WDaDU's production. Star Wars was a technical marvel for its time, WDaDU's production sucked ass even for its time. Redoing all the s/fx in SW is like remixing Images and Words just to get rid of the snare drum and slight 80's production sound: it might be nice but it's not really needed.
Like I said, the main problem is that we've seen what it could be. Showing it in the original format would be like a step backwards. Had we never seen how good it COULD have looked, then no one would care. But if I watch the 70's/80's versions of the films, I'll just be reminded of how much we've progressed and what the movie could have been.
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I just don't see the problem I guess. The relatively minor improvements affect the film in maybe a marginal manner. Their presence (or lack thereof) are not enough to make or break the film for me.
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I just don't see the problem I guess. The relatively minor improvements affect the film in maybe a marginal manner. Their presence (or lack thereof) are not enough to make or break the film for me.
Didn't say it would break anything, just said it would be nice to have the enhancements.
Not even sure why you're arguing so much with me. I just said it sucks it's all or nothing deal. You prefer the originals over any with some minor enhancements? Cool. I would prefer one with the minor changes that make it look nicer.
I probably won't buy them again unless they have exactly the kind I want, which they won't. I'm just not huge enough into Star Wars to justify it. I already have the newest release on Blu Ray and I'm fine with it. I can cringe when I need to.
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I just don't see the problem I guess. The relatively minor improvements affect the film in maybe a marginal manner. Their presence (or lack thereof) are not enough to make or break the film for me.
Didn't say it would break anything, just said it would be nice to have the enhancements.
Not even sure why you're arguing so much with me. I just said it sucks it's all or nothing deal. You prefer the originals over any with some minor enhancements? Cool. I would prefer one with the minor changes that make it look nicer.
I probably won't buy them again unless they have exactly the kind I want, which they won't. I'm just not huge enough into Star Wars to justify it. I already have the newest release on Blu Ray and I'm fine with it. I can cringe when I need to.
I'm not arguing with you. :neverusethis:
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You guys should check out the fan edit Star Wars: Revisited. Some dood named Adywan in his basement put it together and IT IS PHENOMENAL.
The thing I never understood about the changes/fixes were why some were chosen while others were not and I'd think to myself "Really? *That* was bothering them so much they had to *fix* it but the countdown timer at the end of IV that doesn't sync with anything is ok to leave in?".
Seriously, check it out, you will not be sorry. There's so many awesome things done by this ONE GUY that the entire "real" team failed at, in my opinion, and just leave me scratching me head thinking "What if?"
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https://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/zack-snyder-developing-stand-alone-star-wars-film-inspired-by-seven-samurai
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His rep denied that Snyder has any involvement with Star Wars. Read the update at the bottom.
I don't like the idea of yet another Seven Samurai homage anyway. There was an old Marvel Star Wars comic like that, plus that Clone Wars episode, which is pretty good. I hope they come up with their own new ideas.
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Star Wars live action series on ABC a possibility:
https://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blog.aspx?blog=2080&feat=e61f02f6-a0dc-4a3e-8b33-6bf14f927b82>1=28103
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Hasn't that been a "possibility" for like 10 years now?
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His rep denied that Snyder has any involvement with Star Wars. Read the update at the bottom.
I don't like the idea of yet another Seven Samurai homage anyway. There was an old Marvel Star Wars comic like that, plus that Clone Wars episode, which is pretty good. I hope they come up with their own new ideas.
I missed the update at the bottom of the page. However, it sounded like an interesting idea despite the fact that the idea has been touched on in the series already. If it did happen and they put a new twist on the theme maybe it would turn out good.
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Hasn't that been a "possibility" for like 10 years now?
Yeah, since at least the release of Episode III, Rick McCallum was talking about it.
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The "pick your own changes to the movies" is an interesting idea indeed. It would help for people like me, and a few others on here it seems, that like many of the improvements, but find some off putting.
Honestly I have no problems with probably 95% of them, but the musical number and the added "No" in Return of the Jedi don't really leave the best taste in my mouth. Whatever happened to the importance of a silent inner struggle? Oh well.
The only problem with that is that we are not the content creators. Art is not a democracy, and cry as we may, it is not our story to tell. And I know I'll take heat for this, but even if Disney has the rights to release the original versions of the films, I hope it only happens if it is with Lucas' blessing.
As far as the TV series, yes it has tons of scripts done already, and has for quite some time. Originally it was being made for cable, and they wanted no station to have any creative say in the process, on top of that with the effects budget they could not proceed with production until costs were under $5 million per episode. McCallum made it sound like they were not close to that yet, but he was very pleased with the scripts, and the show had a working title of Star Wars: Underground, though McCallum later denied that. It focused on crime in between trilogies.
Now it looks like ABC (through Disney) is interested in making it happen network-style. It could possibly be to Star Wars what the SHIELD series will be to the Marvel universe, which would make sense considering who owns it all. That's where our knowledge ends however. While interesting, it would be odd to have new films taking place after Jedi, while having a live action show taking place between 3 and 4, and a cartoon taking place between 2 and 3 all at the same time. Maybe they will rewrite the series to tie in with the new films more, who knows.
I wanna give it all a shot considering how big a part of my life this series has been, but I sure don't feel good about all of this stuff that's going down.
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JJ Abrams to direct. https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/ (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/)
Welp, there goes all hope I had for the movie.
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JJ Abrams to direct. https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/ (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/)
Welp, there goes all hope I had for the movie.
No doubt. This is about the only way I could imagine for them to actually fuck it up worse than they already had.
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JJ Abrams to direct. https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/ (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/)
Welp, there goes all hope I had for the movie.
No doubt. This is about the only way I could imagine for them to actually fuck it up worse than they already had.
Italian newspaper says "A dream coming true for Sci-Fi fans". Opinion are quite divergents, it seems.
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Trek and Wars - fucking hell, that's gonna be a hell of a legacy.
I really liked his Star Trek film. I don't know if that's controversial, I'm not a Trekkie and I don't actually know what anyone thought of it, but he's already done things I liked with one important 21st century sci-fi franchise. Then again, I'm not a Warsie either, so I'll leave it to the better judgment of people who know what Jabba the Hutt's giggly little mouse is called. (I swear, I've looked it up like ten times - someone B. Crumb or something like that?)
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I think it's really odd that they got the Star Trek guy to do Star Wars.
I do think he will make an *INFINITELY* better movie that George Lucas could make. But it just seems like some sortof violation of "geek-law"...
"The first article of faith is 'thall shall not franchise jump'"!
Seriously though...he did a FANTASTIC job with Star Trek, and I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he will make the best Star Wars movie since Empire. (though most likely still never better than the first two films)
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It's still not confirmed. Just about everything I've seen leads to thewrap.com, and nothing has been posted by Lucasfilm or Disney. I'm not opposed to it; I just hope whoever takes over can redeem the series.
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JJ Abrams to direct. https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/ (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-star-wars-director/)
Welp, there goes all hope I had for the movie.
Could be worse. What scares me more than this is the lack of peer review involved in the screenwriting process.
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Well, if its any consolation, I think Spielberg wrote a scene in ROTS, so peer review is not necessarily a guarantee that the script will be good.
I just hope that they have an eye on what will transpire in Episode 9 and build up to it. There were so many missed opportunities in the PT that they had to try to cram it all into ROTS. There was zero dynamic between the characters, so it all had to be built up then torn down at the end. I never bought that Anakin was "a good friend" to Obi-Wan. When they finally tried to establish that, it felt hollow and forced.
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This actually makes perfect sense. In Hollywood, if it works once, it has to be done over and over again. Abrams rebooted ST and plenty of people liked it (and it made tons of dough). From their reasoning, the masses love when Abrams does reboots sci-fi series, so he's the obvious choice here. Whether or not it's a good fit doesn't make any difference.
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I think everyone will take a "well it's better than Lucas" approach. We might get some actually fun and playfulness back into Star Wars.
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I'm so emotionally confused about the Star Wars franchise's past and future. I love the original movies in spite of their myriad flaws, and thought the prequels were mostly god-awful although entertaining at times. It's unprecedented how Lucas came up with such a cool universe and characters that resonated with so many people, and yet also was responsible for "ruining" it in a lot of ways, or at least leaving a hell of a lot of wasted potential.
And yet now that he's no longer directing, I honestly can't envision a scenario in which these new movies are good. Has nothing to do with Abrams; I think I'd feel this way about anybody.
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Abrams rebooted ST and plenty of people liked it
I'm a life-long trekkie and I hate what he did to the reboot, but I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or not. I actually fell asleep in the theater the first time I seen it. The only other time that has ever happened to me was at the last terminator film which was complete crap as well.
If I see any lense-flare, I'm going to leave the theater immidiately lol...
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You are in the minority. Most people from what I've seen like the new Star Trek. True, it is very different from what the show was trying to accomplish. But that was the point. Abrams turn ST into an action movie, and he actually did it competently. The movie was compelling, you cared about the characters, the actions scenes were exciting, and it was emotional where it needed to be. It's not a strictly deliberate and purely intelligent sci fi like the show, but at least it wasn't an emotionless incoherent mess like the SW prequels.
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You are in the minority. Most people from what I've seen like the new Star Trek. True, it is very different from what the show was trying to accomplish. But that was the point. Abrams turn ST into an action movie, and he actually did it competently. The movie was compelling, you cared about the characters, the actions scenes were exciting, and it was emotional where it needed to be. It's not a strictly deliberate and purely intelligent sci fi like the show, but at least it wasn't an emotionless incoherent mess like the SW prequels.
My problem with the movie wasn't really the character development. My problem was that it appeared to be made for people with adhd and brought to mind something that would be made by Michael Bay. Let me give you an example between something that contrasts between it and one of the classic trek movies.
There's a scene in The Search for Spock where the klingons have killed Kirk's son. The vulcan officer that was down on the planet's surface with Spock and Kirk's son tells him what has happened. It's a moment in the film that is intended to build tension and despite the fact that William Shatner gets dumped on by everyone for being a terrible actor, the next 30 seconds or so of the movie is one of the best in all of the trek movies. You see Captain Kirk going through misery and he says "Klingon bastards killed my son...". The camera primarily stays on him for quite some time. They flash to the klingon ship briefly or even the planet's surface (I'm doing this from memory, so forgive me if I'm a bit inaccurate...), but the tension that is built and projected to the audience feels authentic.
By way of contrast, there's a scene in the newest trek movie where the crew is about to go into the final battle with the romulan mining ship and JJ Abrams attempts to have the same kind of "tension building" moment. Except, he chooses to flash about 50 images/different camera angles per second at the audience of the crew frozen in anticipation. It fails horribly and looks like it was shot to keep people with short attention spans interested in what's going on.
Earlier in this thread people were debating the different merits of the light saber battles in the original trilogy and their counter parts in the prequels. I'm of the opinion that the battles in the original trilogy (even as limited by the technology of the times that they were...) were far superior to any of the battles in the prequels. There was always a dialogue and something contributed to the story in the original battles that was completely lacking in the newer ones. It's the same sort of comparison that I made between the trek movies. If we're going to get another movie made for people with short attention spans then it may as well still be Lucas at the helm of the movies.
I'm going to go outside and yell at a cloud now lol...
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The biggest problem that Trekkies have with the new Trek movie is that JJ turned it into Star Wars, so I don't see the issue. :lol
He is not right for Trek, but I think he would fit well to the style of Star Wars.
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Let's be honest here. The Trek series was failing at the box office money wise. They had to do a reboot with a different style to attract new viewers and JJ did it right. It's not the Star Trek I grew up with but I am ok with it. I realy liked the movie and the new trailer and the 9 minute clip looked amazing.
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You are in the minority. Most people from what I've seen like the new Star Trek. True, it is very different from what the show was trying to accomplish. But that was the point. Abrams turn ST into an action movie, and he actually did it competently. The movie was compelling, you cared about the characters, the actions scenes were exciting, and it was emotional where it needed to be. It's not a strictly deliberate and purely intelligent sci fi like the show, but at least it wasn't an emotionless incoherent mess like the SW prequels.
My problem with the movie wasn't really the character development. My problem was that it appeared to be made for people with adhd and brought to mind something that would be made by Michael Bay. Let me give you an example between something that contrasts between it and one of the classic trek movies.
There's a scene in The Search for Spock where the klingons have killed Kirk's son. The vulcan officer that was down on the planet's surface with Spock and Kirk's son tells him what has happened. It's a moment in the film that is intended to build tension and despite the fact that William Shatner gets dumped on by everyone for being a terrible actor, the next 30 seconds or so of the movie is one of the best in all of the trek movies. You see Captain Kirk going through misery and he says "Klingon bastards killed my son...". The camera primarily stays on him for quite some time. They flash to the klingon ship briefly or even the planet's surface (I'm doing this from memory, so forgive me if I'm a bit inaccurate...), but the tension that is built and projected to the audience feels authentic.
By way of contrast, there's a scene in the newest trek movie where the crew is about to go into the final battle with the romulan mining ship and JJ Abrams attempts to have the same kind of "tension building" moment. Except, he chooses to flash about 50 images/different camera angles per second at the audience of the crew frozen in anticipation. It fails horribly and looks like it was shot to keep people with short attention spans interested in what's going on.
Earlier in this thread people were debating the different merits of the light saber battles in the original trilogy and their counter parts in the prequels. I'm of the opinion that the battles in the original trilogy (even as limited by the technology of the times that they were...) were far superior to any of the battles in the prequels. There was always a dialogue and something contributed to the story in the original battles that was completely lacking in the newer ones. It's the same sort of comparison that I made between the trek movies. If we're going to get another movie made for people with short attention spans then it may as well still be Lucas at the helm of the movies.
I'm going to go outside and yell at a cloud now lol...
If you want to contrast emotional/tension scenes, at least use similar examples....not comparing an emotional scene about the death of a son to a big battle scene.
The scene in the beginning when Kirk's father sacrifices himself for the crew, his wife, and unborn child gave me chills and a lump in my throat, and as an emotional scene is as good or better anything in any ST movie or show. Some may not like the style, but to say that the new ST is weaker in authentic emotion and tension is simply not accurate IMO.
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:iagree: with the above two posts. Hemsworth did a great job as Kirk's dad... sacrificing himself for his crew, and his family. The opening sequence was very emotive.
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I enjoyed the Star Trek movie very much but i will stay away from any trekkie discussion for the simple fact that i've never been into the Star Trek universe nor have i ever watched a whole season so my opinions are not worthy and i say that with all honesty and truth.
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You are in the minority. Most people from what I've seen like the new Star Trek. True, it is very different from what the show was trying to accomplish. But that was the point. Abrams turn ST into an action movie, and he actually did it competently. The movie was compelling, you cared about the characters, the actions scenes were exciting, and it was emotional where it needed to be. It's not a strictly deliberate and purely intelligent sci fi like the show, but at least it wasn't an emotionless incoherent mess like the SW prequels.
My problem with the movie wasn't really the character development. My problem was that it appeared to be made for people with adhd and brought to mind something that would be made by Michael Bay. Let me give you an example between something that contrasts between it and one of the classic trek movies.
There's a scene in The Search for Spock where the klingons have killed Kirk's son. The vulcan officer that was down on the planet's surface with Spock and Kirk's son tells him what has happened. It's a moment in the film that is intended to build tension and despite the fact that William Shatner gets dumped on by everyone for being a terrible actor, the next 30 seconds or so of the movie is one of the best in all of the trek movies. You see Captain Kirk going through misery and he says "Klingon bastards killed my son...". The camera primarily stays on him for quite some time. They flash to the klingon ship briefly or even the planet's surface (I'm doing this from memory, so forgive me if I'm a bit inaccurate...), but the tension that is built and projected to the audience feels authentic.
By way of contrast, there's a scene in the newest trek movie where the crew is about to go into the final battle with the romulan mining ship and JJ Abrams attempts to have the same kind of "tension building" moment. Except, he chooses to flash about 50 images/different camera angles per second at the audience of the crew frozen in anticipation. It fails horribly and looks like it was shot to keep people with short attention spans interested in what's going on.
Earlier in this thread people were debating the different merits of the light saber battles in the original trilogy and their counter parts in the prequels. I'm of the opinion that the battles in the original trilogy (even as limited by the technology of the times that they were...) were far superior to any of the battles in the prequels. There was always a dialogue and something contributed to the story in the original battles that was completely lacking in the newer ones. It's the same sort of comparison that I made between the trek movies. If we're going to get another movie made for people with short attention spans then it may as well still be Lucas at the helm of the movies.
I'm going to go outside and yell at a cloud now lol...
If you want to contrast emotional/tension scenes, at least use similar examples....not comparing an emotional scene about the death of a son to a big battle scene.
The scene in the beginning when Kirk's father sacrifices himself for the crew, his wife, and unborn child gave me chills and a lump in my throat, and as an emotional scene is as good or better anything in any ST movie or show. Some may not like the style, but to say that the new ST is weaker in authentic emotion and tension is simply not accurate IMO.
We will have to agree to disagree. For me, the most intense scene in any of the trek movies was in First Contact when Picard freaked out and smashed the glass case with all of the prior enterprise models in it. Once again, it was dialogue and emotion leading up to a sequence of action scenes and set the stage for the conclusion of the movie. Another great example was when Spock died after going in to fix the reactor in the 2nd movie. There was no need for a bunch of split second camera shots. The situation and good acting provided for all of the tension/emotion that the scene needed.
It's a problem that I have with many modern action films. It seems like everyone believes that the best way to do things is to have the foot to the floor for the entire film or atleast a great majority of the time. Often times it feels like a good excuse for them to blow a bunch of shit up. I like to get a little more substance and hope for a good balance of things.
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Bringing this back to Star Wars....
The entire foundation for the prequels came from a single scene in SW, in Obi-Wan's hut. Nearly all of the necessary backstory stems from that conversation, with the most sincere delivery given to the line, "...and he was a good friend." That was missing in the prequels, and the mistake came from starting the story when Anakin was a child. Hell, one of the chief complaints of TPM was the idea of Midichlorians, a plot device to explain why Anakin HAD to become a Jedi. I have yet to find anyone who liked that idea, and if anything, most felt that it detracted from the mysticism. To me, that is the key to the whole thing, and if Abrams is confirmed, I hope he and the writer return to this notion. I don't want scientific descriptions or justifications for everything. I don't want be told that someone is a great pilot or a great friend; I want to see it.
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PowerSlave, the points you bring up, while valid, lean more on the side of just your personal tastes. You are right everything that was changed in style of Star Trek for the movies. Is it better than the first Star Trek movie? That's up for debate. Is it better than the Star Wars prequels? Hell yes. And that's really the major concern here. Frankly Star Wars has always been more about action, adventure, and fun, than Star Trek was. That's just the difference in styles.
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Lens flare aside, I really enjoyed the new Star Trek, and don't get how this is already a horrible idea. I'm much more looking forward to the next Abrams Trek film, than another Nemesis or Insurrection. Person of Interest is lame for me, Fringe barely survived to see a finale, although I did like that show, and Lost is one of my favourite shows ever.
In the end we're going to be able to see something that wasn't going to happen at least for who knows how long, and with how the PT went, thankfully Lucas isn't doing it. I'm sure that regardless of how "horrible" this decision is, it can't get much worse than episode I & II. I'm also sure that millions of pairs of pants will need changing once we see "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." anew on the big screen again
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I'm not worried about J.J. Abrams. I'm worried about Lucas writing the film treatment.
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I just think that Trek & Wars should never be connected.
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I just think that Trek & Wars should never be connected.
It's inevitable that they always will be to some extent. They are the two most succesfull sci-fi franchises of all time and parallels will always be drawn between them.
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I just think that Trek & Wars should never be connected.
Sounds like a kids TV show issue. :lol
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In case anyone missed it, NOW it is official that JJ is directing. Lucasfilm made the announcement last night.
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I'm not displeased with Abrams getting the job. Anyone who saw Super 8 can tell you how well he can bring the Spielberg, and a director with that particular 70s direction style is perfect for Star Wars. My primary concern remains the story and the casting, but the fact that Star Trek had tons of lens flare isn't a worry for me regarding the direction. Plus, you gotta admire a guy who is willing to earn the ire of the two largest, most vocal groups of nerds in the world AT ONCE. :biggrin:
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As long as he doesn't bring butt buddy Damon Lindelof along, I'm totally ok with this.
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Yeah, his writing and ideas are not very good.
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If i had the money this would be pretty awesome:
Star Wars: The Blueprints (https://store.epicinkbooks.com/order/star-wars-the-blueprints.html#)
and if you wanna go to the ultimate level you of course buy the signed one limited to 125 copy's with a nifty price of 1000$.
Here's a video:
https://youtu.be/IsXk4wsBaiY?t=1m46s
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Yeah, his writing and ideas are not very good.
As flawed as it was - i thought Prometheus turned out a lot better than the original Alien 5 script by John Spaihts.
I may go see Star Wars 7 but I just hope that JJ only directs the one & then goes on to finish his Star Trek trilogy and doesn't just go fuck it - i'm doing Star Wars
from now on.
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I'm kinda hoping to see a revolving door in terms of crew for this trilogy. Could be fun.
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Yeah, his writing and ideas are not very good.
As flawed as it was - i thought Prometheus turned out a lot better than the original Alien 5 script by John Spaihts.
I may go see Star Wars 7 but I just hope that JJ only directs the one & then goes on to finish his Star Trek trilogy and doesn't just go fuck it - i'm doing Star Wars
from now on.
I can see it now:
Trek Wars: The Enterprise Strikes Back
*Sigh: the final Jar Jar. These are the tales of the spacecraft Millenium Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new forces, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to stupididly* go where no one wants to go.
*Yes that's the word and feel free to add....
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Bringing this back to Star Wars....
The entire foundation for the prequels came from a single scene in SW, in Obi-Wan's hut. Nearly all of the necessary backstory stems from that conversation, with the most sincere delivery given to the line, "...and he was a good friend." That was missing in the prequels, and the mistake came from starting the story when Anakin was a child. Hell, one of the chief complaints of TPM was the idea of Midichlorians, a plot device to explain why Anakin HAD to become a Jedi. I have yet to find anyone who liked that idea, and if anything, most felt that it detracted from the mysticism. To me, that is the key to the whole thing, and if Abrams is confirmed, I hope he and the writer return to this notion. I don't want scientific descriptions or justifications for everything. I don't want be told that someone is a great pilot or a great friend; I want to see it.
I would suggest digging a little deeper. There are many that support the midis. Most of those who don't really don't seem to understand the concept. Perhaps the explanation of them wasn't clear enough, and if that is the case, I would say that is the failure, not the midis themselves.
“He said that we all have thousands of bacteria in our systems – suppose a particular strain had a life force that was connected to the universe? And what if some people had a stronger strain of these bacteria than others did?” Neeson recounted, adding, “I thought the idea was both fascinating and believable."
Just by watching 4-6, we already know that the ability to use the Force is passed down genetically, there is really no way around this. Therefore I don't see the problem with having some people more biologically inclined to interact with it. The midis aren't the Force, they just let Force users communicate with it. In my eyes the midi-chlorians don't demystify the Force; the same way that water doesn't stop being an essential life element just because it happens to be just water and hydrogen.
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They are an unnecessary middle man. If they can channel the Force, what's the problem with the individual Jedis channeling the Force, a la the original trilogy? It's just stupid.
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Pretty cool poster from E1:
(https://i.imgur.com/oIyZCCQ.jpg)
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I have never known of another living soul to like the idea of midichlorians.
I think that relating the force to science opens up too many questions and possibilities that go against what I think the force is all about.
Just my opinion, of course. Each to their own.
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Pretty cool poster from E1:
(https://i.imgur.com/oIyZCCQ.jpg)
I always liked that one. It was one of the first promotional things I remember seeing from Episode 1.
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I remember that poster well. I'd say it's pretty iconic, regardless of how awful Ep 1 was.
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I remember that poster. I also remember Vanity Fair did a spread early on that showed some of the earliest shots of Ewan as Obi-Wan and Maul with his lightsabre and I was just :omg:
(https://www.posterplanet.net/images/ep1vanityfair.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/txkarenr/SWVF3.bmp)
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They are an unnecessary middle man. If they can channel the Force, what's the problem with the individual Jedis channeling the Force, a la the original trilogy? It's just stupid.
The Jedi DO channel the Force themselves, the midis are just used to communicate and identify.
The Force is the Force, we're essentially just debating about the scale on which it is used, which seems silly to me, but to each his own.
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My only concern with JJ doing Star Wars and Star Trek is what if he's holding back on one in favour of the other?
Like if a musician goes to make a super-group album with other musicians. Say they come up with a great idea for a song or whatever but they keep it to themselves to put on their next album. So what if JJ has a great idea while working on Star Wars but decides to save it for Star Trek, and vice versa?
As awesome as I think JJ is for Star Wars I think it would have better served both franchises to go with someone else. I'm sure everything will be fine but this is my one of my two major concerns with the other being if George Lucas somehow forces JJ and the rest of the 'new blood' to dumb everything down.
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That would be my concern if JJ was writing Star Wars, as opposed to just directing it. We've got a screenwriter so as long as that's good (I'm cautiously optimistic), all JJ can do is put his flair on it, maybe tweak things a tiny bit.
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Does anyone know how big a role someone writing the treatment plays in the final product? (I'm looking at you, Alex and/or Reap)
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So...spinoff films. Original rumors said Yoda, now it looks like Han and Boba will each be getting a film.
This kind of thing works for Marvel, since it's all character-driven comic book stuff, but I don't see how it fits with a plot-driven Star Wars universe. Han and Boba's importance is only tied into how they can serve what happens in the films.
That said, I can see a Boba film being enjoyable, but I can't see a Han Solo film being anything but an unmitigated disaster. It would be criminal to recast Solo, but also ridiculous to have Harrison Ford play him again. And what happens after that, Star Wars origins: Han Solo II?
Maybe continuity is just a thing of the past. I feel like oversaturation will hurt the franchise overall as well.
It is exciting to have all this Star Wars news though. At the very worst, I still have the other films and nothing can take my enjoyment of them away, no matter what butthurt fanboys say.
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Why are you already bitching and complaining about stuff that hasn't even happened yet? You're stating that the movies will suck and furthermore you're taking shots at "butthurt fanboys" who may not agree with you with the current movies and, presumably by extension, the new ones.
You're preparing to be disappointed 2-3 years before something even comes out and without anything even being confirmed yet and not knowing any details at all.
So basically there's no chance at all you're going to like anything that comes out cuz you're already telling yourself that they will suck and then you'll feel justified that, if you bother to see them at all, if anything goes not to your liking you can pat yourself on the back and come back here and squawk "I told you so!".
Whatever happened to actually waiting to see or hear something first before passing judgment and giving things the benefit of the doubt before trashing them?
FFS
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You're new to the internet, aren't you, PetFish? :rollin
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Whatever happened to actually waiting to see or hear something first before passing judgment and giving things the benefit of the doubt before trashing them?
I've never heard of such a thing! It must be a new phenomenon! :omg:
but seriously...chill for a sec. :lol
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A Boba Fett movie could work, but I don't want a young Han Solo movie.
1. Harrison Ford IS Han.
2. I'd like to move away from that time period and focus on stuff hundreds or thousands of years before the prequels or 30+ years after the OT.
3. I know most people don't care, but I liked a lot of Han's origin story in the EU, and the odds of that being steamrolled by a movie are around 99%.
4. There's really no point in showing Han's past on screen anyway IMO.
5. Both spin-offs reek of overkill. I wish they'd focus on new characters for eventual spin-offs. Also, don't rush out 5 or 6 movies in 5 or 6 years.
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Why are you already bitching and complaining about stuff that hasn't even happened yet? You're stating that the movies will suck and furthermore you're taking shots at "butthurt fanboys" who may not agree with you with the current movies and, presumably by extension, the new ones.
You're preparing to be disappointed 2-3 years before something even comes out and without anything even being confirmed yet and not knowing any details at all.
So basically there's no chance at all you're going to like anything that comes out cuz you're already telling yourself that they will suck and then you'll feel justified that, if you bother to see them at all, if anything goes not to your liking you can pat yourself on the back and come back here and squawk "I told you so!".
Whatever happened to actually waiting to see or hear something first before passing judgment and giving things the benefit of the doubt before trashing them?
FFS
Whoa whoa whoa, slow down. First of all, you are making a lot of assumptions leading to things I never said. In fact, I think that is the entire post.
Secondly, I think we are mostly on the same page. I'm willing to give it a shot, if anything I think most people on here view me as a Star Wars apologist, I just don't like the news/rumors. My "butthurt fanboy" comment was more about people who act as if something was taken away from them.
A Boba Fett movie could work, but I don't want a young Han Solo movie.
1. Harrison Ford IS Han.
2. I'd like to move away from that time period and focus on stuff hundreds or thousands of years before the prequels or 30+ years after the OT.
3. I know most people don't care, but I liked a lot of Han's origin story in the EU, and the odds of that being steamrolled by a movie are around 99%.
4. There's really no point in showing Han's past on screen anyway IMO.
5. Both spin-offs reek of overkill. I wish they'd focus on new characters for eventual spin-offs. Also, don't rush out 5 or 6 movies in 5 or 6 years.
I definitely agree with 1,4 and 5. I mostly agree with 2 as well, just because I'm tired of new stuff in that time period conflicting with continuity/films. The Force Unleashed stories are far too guilty of this, so is the Clone War cartoon a good chunk of the time. I would rather see stuff in other time periods, like KOTOR time.
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I am by no means arguing for a Han Solo-based movie in which someone else was cast as Han. Because I don't want it. But in terms of Harrison Ford being Han... Marlon Brando was Vito Corleone, one of the most iconic figures in the history of film, and DeNiro did a pretty good job of playing a young Vito. Of course it is an exception that it worked so well, but it is possible.
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Thanks for the clarification, zepp.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to what's coming up now that Lucas himself is (hopefully) out of the picture and doesn't take his consulting duties as a means to get what he wants.
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I know I'll be a minority here, but I have little interest in SW without Lucas.
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Pretty cool poster from E1:
(https://i.imgur.com/oIyZCCQ.jpg)
I always liked that one. It was one of the first promotional things I remember seeing from Episode 1.
It's a good poster as it's simple and tells you everything you need to know.
I hate the whole collage type thing with scenes from the whole movie depicted in it. It's just cluttered.
I wonder which way they'll go for the new ones.
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It's a good poster as it's simple and tells you everything you need to know.
It really does. I think from now on when I want to revisit the whole saga I will just look at this poster for a couple of minutes and move on to EP II.
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I am by no means arguing for a Han Solo-based movie in which someone else was cast as Han. Because I don't want it. But in terms of Harrison Ford being Han... Marlon Brando was Vito Corleone, one of the most iconic figures in the history of film, and DeNiro did a pretty good job of playing a young Vito. Of course it is an exception that it worked so well, but it is possible.
That's what I was thinking.
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So...spinoff films. Original rumors said Yoda, now it looks like Han and Boba will each be getting a film.
This kind of thing works for Marvel, since it's all character-driven comic book stuff, but I don't see how it fits with a plot-driven Star Wars universe. Han and Boba's importance is only tied into how they can serve what happens in the films.
That said, I can see a Boba film being enjoyable, but I can't see a Han Solo film being anything but an unmitigated disaster. It would be criminal to recast Solo, but also ridiculous to have Harrison Ford play him again. And what happens after that, Star Wars origins: Han Solo II?
Maybe continuity is just a thing of the past. I feel like oversaturation will hurt the franchise overall as well.
It is exciting to have all this Star Wars news though. At the very worst, I still have the other films and nothing can take my enjoyment of them away, no matter what butthurt fanboys say.
I agree. I've heard so many rumours about potential side-movies that I worry they could reach the oversaturation that helped kill Trek (along with getting stale).
I don't think they should do a Han Solo movie, because I think it's Harrison Ford's part, and I don't it would work with him now.
I don't know what they'd do with Yoda that would be very interesting. I don't see that sustaining a movie.
I think Boba Fett is their best bet for standalone movies. He doesn't need to be seen without the helmet, so casting won't be a big issue, and he's a badass bounty hunter. Plenty of room for ideas there without getting in the way of anything else.
And I really feel like they should get a full sequel trilogy out of the way before starting with standalone movies, but that's just me.
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I know I'll be a minority here, but I have little interest in SW without Lucas.
I have little interest in more Star Wars WITH Lucas.
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So who could play a young Han ?
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I know I'll be a minority here, but I have little interest in SW without Lucas.
I have little interest in more Star Wars WITH Lucas.
(https://i.qkme.me/3qsnyz.jpg)
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Anybody have cool ideas for spin-offs?
A bunch of people on a Star Wars board want an Obi-Wan movie with Ewan. What would he do between ROTS and ANH besides sit around and practice his Krayt Dragon calls to annoy Sandpeople? I'd rather have an Obi-Wan movie than a Han one, though.
We need a movie about Salacious Crumb's childhood.
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I would pay to see a feature length movie about Dengar as long as he's portrayed exactly how he is on Robot Chicken.
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I know I'll be a minority here, but I have little interest in SW without Lucas.
I have little interest in more Star Wars WITH Lucas.
(https://i.qkme.me/3qsnyz.jpg)
Zepp....you realize the irony of that particular pic/quote?
It's freaking hilarious! :rollin
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Of course I do ;)
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Obiwan movie would be awesome cuz Ewan rocks.
Yoda would be great cuz it's, you know, Yoda.
Boba Fett would also be great cuz they could even get Temura Morrison to do it.
Han Solo would NOT be great unless they could really find a killer actor for the part, however, it WOULD be great if they did it with Lando as well cuz they have such a history together. Maybe even a Boba/Han/Lando movie.
Out-of-the-box... R2-D2. An origins story would be great cuz when we meet him he's just a repair droid but who knows what he's been doing up to that point. We know where C-3PO comes from but not R2. He could even have been around since The Old Republic (I'd love to see that in the game, by the way). He could have done stuff with Yoda as well and when they "meet" on Dagobah R2 already knows him but keeps quiet cuz he rocks.
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I'd never complain about more Artoo, since he's one of my fave characters.
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So who could play a young Han ?
Not young but this photo hit me like a rock:
(https://i.imgur.com/7q4noNs.jpg)
Could it be possible? :omg:
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Malcolm Reynolds' character owes at least a little bit to Han Solo, no doubt. I think Mal kills someone in cold blood in each of the few two or three episodes, just to let you know he doesn't take any shit and doesn't care to deal with it, either.
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I know you're just brainstorming, but having a guy who will soon be 42 playing young Han? Harrison Ford was 33-34 when they filmed the first Star Wars. :P
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I know you're just brainstorming, but having a guy who will soon be 42 playing young Han? Harrison Ford was 33-34 when they filmed the first Star Wars. :P
Haha yea i know, i just love that photo! For some reason he feels so right as Han Solo even though it will never happen.
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That photo(shop) works because Firefly was 10 years ago, so Nathan Fillion was then about the same age as Harrison Ford was when he played Han Solo.
No real point, I guess, I'm just sayin'.
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OK! You better prepare your anus before you read this:
ZOMG! (https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/15/star-wars-episode-vii-new-report-says-harrison-ford-will-indeed-return-as-han-solo)
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Well that will provide less incentive for them to come up with a unique and engaging story.
And I highly doubt these deals are “done.” It may be done in principle, but there is no way contracts like this one would be signed this far in advance. He only signed on for another Indiana Jones once everyone could agree on a solid script.
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Han So Old
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Han So Old
Bwahaha!
The report says "movies," but Ford will probably want Han to die in the first movie. Probably the first scene.
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If he is in the first scene...
Does that mean....
They'll shoot Han first ?
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:hanshotfirst:
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DAFUQ?
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Star Wars Episode VII: D.O.A.
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Han So Old
Bwahaha!
The report says "movies," but Ford will probably want Han to die in the first movie. Probably the first scene.
Yeah, Charlton Heston tried that in Beneath The Planet of the Apes, and that didn't stop them making 3 more anyway. :lol
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Chewy should have all grey hair.
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:hanshotfirst:
I swear that upon seeing this emote I was: "Please, let it be hanshotfirst, let it be hanshotfirst..." :biggrin:
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. . . and there was much rejoicing.
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. . . and there was much rejoicing.
(https://thecodinghumanist.com/SiteContent/TheCodingHumanist/ImageUpload/and-there-was-much-rejoicing.jpeg)
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:clap:
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Eh. If I were a film director and someone offered me the opportunity to direct Star Wars; I'd drop everything and go for it. There's making movies, and then there's making history.
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And anyone who says they wouldn't do the same for money - especially the kinda money he's probably raking in for this - is seriously kidding themselves.
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People take this whole Star Wars v. Star Trek thing way too seriously. Who cares? Enjoy your new movies who happen to be directed by the same talented director.
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Eh. If I were a film director and someone offered me the opportunity to direct Star Wars; I'd drop everything and go for it. There's making movies, and then there's making history.
:tup
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JJ Abrams - the man who made a star wars film that wasn't as bad as The Phantom Menace !
:coolio
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I expect the critical response to be about the same as it was with TPM: average. But we know so little at this point, the only thing I can really speculate is that the movie will be praised for many aspects but torn apart for many as well.
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Anyone watching The Clone Wars?
The last two months of this show have been AMAZING! I am blown away by the story and how involved emotionally I've been. I don't want to spoil anything but this is exactly how I hope the tone, style, and energy of the new movies goes.
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I might go and see Episode 7 depending on how well it's been received etc..But as a lifelong Trekker - i'm way more interested in
"...Into Darkness."
I'm not the kind of guy who will staunchly refuse to accept a film is good if i'm not a fan of the series.
If I go and see Episode 7 and I enjoy it - i'll say so.
I'm not a Star Wars fan by any means but I went to see TPM on opening day as it was in my local tiny cinema and I went with
friends and I thought it was meh like everyone else :p
I'll never accept that Wars is better than Trek as Trek just means so much more to me. I just prefer everything about it.
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Anyone watching The Clone Wars?
The last two months of this show have been AMAZING! I am blown away by the story and how involved emotionally I've been. I don't want to spoil anything but this is exactly how I hope the tone, style, and energy of the new movies goes.
The Clone Wars lost me in the third season for several reasons, but I must say that I greatly enjoyed most of the first two seasons.
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The Clone Wars is a terrible show with strokes of brilliance.
As much as a continuity disaster introducing Ahsoka was, I really enjoyed seeing what unfolded with her in this final arc. You really get to see how the Jedi Order and the Republic are falling apart and all the seeds of mistrust have been planted. For a character that was introduced to cater to young children, those that grew up with her must have an odd sense of dread about what has become of her now. Gripping stuff to be sure.
The biggest fatal flaw in the arc though is what they did with Barris Offee. I know she only had maybe a total of one minute of screentime from the films (and that's pushing it), but she did have a character arc outside of that as well. I'm usually the last one to say "you can't do that, it would contradict the expanded universe", but I remember the official site had an exclusive story to subscribers about her prior to the events of Order 66, and I think the TCW team knowingly dismissed this. Normally that's not a big deal, but it seems like the whole reason they used Barris instead of some new Jedi was her connection with Ahsoka, which seemed to have no baring whatsoever on Ahsoka's choice when it was all said and done. So essentially it was all for nothing. Also, this is a character that was the goody two-shoes of the universe, and hasn't been on the show in about three years. Now we see her for five minutes and she is a murderer, a mastermind, and a terrorist for the "greater good" of seeing the Republic fall.
Still, every once in a while, this show amazes me, and this is one of those times. The Krell arc from last season was probably the best the show has done, it's just unfortunate that for every good arc, there are at least 6 terrible ones. Also, bringing Darth Maul back from the dead was a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
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I think we've reached a point with the SW catalogue, both the "core" Lucasfilm media and the EU stuff, where it's pretty much up to fans to pick and choose what they consider canon.
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I just watched the last three episodes of the season, and they weren't bad. I'm not sold on what they did with Barriss' character, but there was some good emotion there from Ahsoka and Anakin, and some well staged action scenes.
I wouldn't say the Clone Wars is a terrible show (as I said, I really like the first couple seasons and greatly prefer them to the prequels), but I hated the idea of bringing Darth Maul back. That's when I lost interest.
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I caught part of an episode yesterday because it just happened to be on TV when I woke up. I couldn't get over the completely lazy animation style.
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I think we've reached a point with the SW catalogue, both the "core" Lucasfilm media and the EU stuff, where it's pretty much up to fans to pick and choose what they consider canon.
Pretty much. It seems clear now that nobody who creates content in that universe has read or watched what anyone else has created. It's already bad with this show and The Force Unleashed, but with the sequels and spin off films coming up, I'm willing to bet it's going to get a lot worse.
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They already made it clear the sequels are coming from a blank state. It's not a bet.
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I've always taken Word of God as canon, but yeah, when Word of God is contradicting itself, you know it's getting bad.
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Anyone watching The Clone Wars?
The last two months of this show have been AMAZING! I am blown away by the story and how involved emotionally I've been. I don't want to spoil anything but this is exactly how I hope the tone, style, and energy of the new movies goes.
I bought Season 1 awhile back, and watched about half of it. I thought it was decent, but somehow just lost interest about halfway through for no real reason. I'll have to eventually pick it back up again.
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Anyone watching The Clone Wars?
The last two months of this show have been AMAZING! I am blown away by the story and how involved emotionally I've been. I don't want to spoil anything but this is exactly how I hope the tone, style, and energy of the new movies goes.
I bought Season 1 awhile back, and watched about half of it. I thought it was decent, but somehow just lost interest about halfway through for no real reason. I'll have to eventually pick it back up again.
The same happened to me twice: once at the beginning of season three and once during this winter pause. I spoilered myself a lot of things reading zepp-heat's post.
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Anyone watching The Clone Wars?
The last two months of this show have been AMAZING! I am blown away by the story and how involved emotionally I've been. I don't want to spoil anything but this is exactly how I hope the tone, style, and energy of the new movies goes.
I bought Season 1 awhile back, and watched about half of it. I thought it was decent, but somehow just lost interest about halfway through for no real reason. I'll have to eventually pick it back up again.
The same happened to me twice: once at the beginning of season three and once during this winter pause. I spoilered myself a lot of things reading zepp-heat's post.
My apologies if I ruined anything for you.
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Nevermind. I'm softer on spoiler than most. :tup
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At this point, I've pretty much considered the movies to be the sole source of canon, just because, as was said above, even Word of God is starting to contradict itself. :lol
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Yup, 5 years ago you were safe accepting almost anything as canon, but now you don't have much but the feature films to use as a foundation.
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So the solo twins were never born? Is Darth Plagueis still a faceless Sith lord? My heart would cry if they just trashed the entire EU and rebooted from the movies.
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Now what makes you think JJ Abrams would trash an already established franchise and its canon? :-X
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I'd be worried if not for JJ Abrams only directing, not writing the screenplay.
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So the solo twins were never born? Is Darth Plagueis still a faceless Sith lord? My heart would cry if they just trashed the entire EU and rebooted from the movies.
Maybe they will keep a few ideas, like the twins, I don't know, but you better steel yourself. They have been clear they do not care about the EU, and you could smell it from a mile away when the sale was announced.
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Well, then we will see how many fans will accept the movies as their canon.
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Well, then we will see how many fans will accept the movies as their canon.
Millions and millions and millions. The vast majority of Star Wars fans are content with the films, and have no knowledge of the EU.
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Hefdaddy42, forcing reality to clash with people's headcanon since... sometime. :lol
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Frankly, the EU's been overdue for a reboot since around the time of the New Jedi Order, especially since it kept the books written before the prequels came out in their canon and making some of them work require you to look at them sideways and squint very hard. Zahn's Thrawn books are flat out written on the notion that the Clone Wars were the Republic against cloners, not the Republic using clones. And really, let's face it, the EU has been stuck, other than the NJO, in a rut of returning to the status quo of "a hostile government versus pesky Jedi and rebels" for ages. Time to wipe it all out and start again. Plus it's not like the books are GONE, after all.
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Well, then we will see how many fans will accept the movies as their canon.
Millions and millions and millions. The vast majority of Star Wars fans are content with the films, and have no knowledge of the EU.
Pretty much this. My complaint was more how the feature film franchise itself started to contradict itself in some minor but growing areas.
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Plus it's not like the books are GONE, after all.
Well, the problem is how many people thought it was canon. They never said it was to the level of the films, but most people saw that as housekeeping, not a potential for it all to be flat dropped. Other franchises sell their side stuff as just that, side stories the franchise will ignore. Star Wars could have done that, but they promoted the one product idea and are now backtracking. It helped them sell the product by being 'more', that's the problem, EU is a retroactive lie to fans who invested a lot of money thinking it was more than glorified fan fiction.
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Well, then we will see how many fans will accept the movies as their canon.
Millions and millions and millions. The vast majority of Star Wars fans are content with the films, and have no knowledge of the EU.
This...
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Well, then we will see how many fans will accept the movies as their canon.
Millions and millions and millions. The vast majority of Star Wars fans are content with the films, and have no knowledge of the EU.
This...
Those. I have zero desire to see any elements of the EU in these new movies. I don't even really want the film to revolve around their kids. This is a vast galaxy/universe after all. And I don't necessarily want the bigger is better attitude. The effects need to become secondary, and the story needs to be simple and emotional. No Trade Federation-type BS. No political machinations. Simple plot, clean direction, good acting.
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inb4 : lulz JJ will change the timeline wo he can do whatever the hell he feels like.
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inb4 : lulz JJ will change the timeline wo he can do whatever the hell he feels like.
At this point, something like that might just save it:
https://comicbook.com/blog/2013/03/05/carrie-fisher-confirms-return-as-princess-leia-in-star-wars-episode-7/
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That's Han and Leia both on board now. Interesting.
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Billy Dee Williams wants to come back, too.
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What about Hayden Christensen?
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What about Hayden Christensen?
I think he's in, with the stipulation that Jar-Jar be included as well. Unfortunately he is currently on Naboo and can't be reached for comment . . .
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What about Hayden Christensen?
Unfortunately he is currently on Naboo
He better stay there.
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inb4 : lulz JJ will change the timeline wo he can do whatever the hell he feels like.
At this point, something like that might just save it:
https://comicbook.com/blog/2013/03/05/carrie-fisher-confirms-return-as-princess-leia-in-star-wars-episode-7/
There was that....but then she turned around and said she was kidding here:
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/carrie-fisher-joking-returning-star-wars-episode-vii.html
BUT THEN George Lucas comes along and tells everyone that ALL THREE (Mark, Carrie and Harrison) are coming back here:
https://www.komonews.com/news/entertainment/Lucas-says-Star-Wars-trio-returning-for-new-film-196145991.html
So I don't know what to think any more...
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I think she only said she was kidding to backtrack because she wasn't supposed to reveal it.
I'd trust that they're all coming back in some capacity. And aside from Harrison Ford, I can't really see the other two turning it down if given the opportunity.
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I think it would be cool having all three of them in VII, but really only to pass the torch, not as main characters. The new movies should focus on the "next generation". The Empire is gone. I want to see new stuff. I want to see where they go from here.
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I think it would be cool having all three of them in VII, but really only to pass the torch, not as main characters. The new movies should focus on the "next generation". The Empire is gone. I want to see new stuff. I want to see where they go from here.
This.
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I think it would be cool having all three of them in VII, but really only to pass the torch, not as main characters. The new movies should focus on the "next generation". The Empire is gone. I want to see new stuff. I want to see where they go from here.
This, although I don't want them to just be token roles just as fan service either. I think they should be important secondary rolls, like Obiwan or Yoda, that get screen time here and there, but not the main characters that the movies center around.
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Yeah, that would be cool. Not just a quick scene at the beginning and then they're gone, but more like you said. Elders or advisors, like that.
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Legend of Korra tried that to limited success. I realize that's a rather unfitting comparison.
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The one thing that they need to keep is The Force. With Yoda and Obi-Wan gone (or being ghosts or whatever), it's up to Luke to pass on his knowledge of The Force. And as they pointed out in the OT, he came to it really late and only succeeded because of his natural ability. Then in the PT, they said that even Anakin was too old and only succeeded because of his natural ability (his Midichlorians).
I've always thought it was interesting how Luke was trained by Yoda himself, but only over the course of a few weeks or months on Dagobah, not the years and years of training that most Jedi get, from the time they're Younglings until they're Padawans. Basically all of elementary school through high school. So maybe Luke runs into some kind of issues in trying to pass on this very important knowledge, and finds that he just doesn't have it as deeply ingrained in him as Jedi have in the past. Something like that would make for some decent conflict. Nature versus nurture.
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Can't see why Fisher or Hamill would turn it down..
They're both in dire need of a hit and would probably welcome the paycheque as well.
Although it is funny how Hamill is basically known primarily as Luke Skywalker and almost 35 years later - he's back playing him again.
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I thought Carrie Fisher does a lot of writing to the point where I assumed she had a steady income all these years. Not SW-type income, but good income. She is a nutcase, but hasn't seemed to have outwardly needed to rely on a character she played 3 decades ago for her ego.
And Mark Hamill, well, he did a voice in some Batman cartoon or game, right?
Orbert, interesting read. Was thinking that makes too much sense for this film, but if I saw right and that Lawrence Kasdan is writing it, we should get some intelligence in this script.
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Mark Hamilll does a lot of voice acting, including being well known for many works as the Joker.
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It probably does make too much sense, but I've always been of the opinion that even a "mindless action flick" should at its heart still have something resembling a coherent or intelligent premise. It doesn't have to be the main plot point or anything. Just something that comes up somewhere, maybe for the big dramatic bit 2/3 of the way through like there always is.
The Empire is gone and that was the central conflict of the OT, so I started thinking about where to go next. The other thing that pretty much defines Star Wars is The Force, so that has to come into play. With this "next generation" thing and Luke passing it down, I thought about Luke's own training, and remembered that it always bugged me how little training he got, relatively speaking. Then I thought about Anakin. He was like nine years old and The Jedi Council said he was too old to train (which was stupid and basically just a plot device, but still). So Luke came to it really late, but learned from the Jedi Master. What kind of abilities will his kids have?
Or more likely, Han and Leia's kids, which of course would also be grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker. Leia was a rebel, Han was a badass rebel, what would their kids be like, and what kind of issues would there be in raising them, and training them in The Force?
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FYI, Yoda watches over me at work.....
(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/A53742A2-E3B6-438D-8F64-0954128CCF08-13147-00001042C36D9F28.jpg)
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I've always thought it was interesting how Luke was trained by Yoda himself, but only over the course of a few weeks or months on Dagobah, not the years and years of training that most Jedi get, from the time they're Younglings until they're Padawans. Basically all of elementary school through high school. So maybe Luke runs into some kind of issues in trying to pass on this very important knowledge, and finds that he just doesn't have it as deeply ingrained in him as Jedi have in the past. Something like that would make for some decent conflict. Nature versus nurture.
Yes!
...Or the more likely way it will be handled: It'll be glossed over with little or no explanation whatsoever. :lol
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Part of me thinks it could be cool to have the original actors reprise their roles in some capacity, but...
(https://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/gShHYZhSTYtEe2GV4JjTEw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMwMA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/movietalk/starwars-split-jpg_164329.jpg)
I dunno about Luke and Leia. Them is some hard miles.
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Makeup does wonders.
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Ha, my thoughts exactly. They're 40 years older; everyone knows that. With some makeup and lighting, they can look old, but still pretty good. That's all they have to be.
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I think this is a great opportunity to reboot Star Wars without actually rebooting it.
For Star Trek, JJ had to create a plausible situation to start fresh. For Star Wars, all the Jedi are dead or a few are in hiding. Luke has to start over and rebuild the Jedi and they can set their style and everything from scratch. New saber colours, new saber weapons (daggers, tri-bo, etc), new outfit styles, etc.
I'm hoping they do a Dark Council where some fresh Sith look at the past and say "well, the 2-rule didn't work out too well, so let's have 3 Sith leaders and 9 more for a Dark Council, and then a bunch of noobs and have an all-out Sith army".
They can basically do whatever they want without having to come up with anything crazy or a total reboot.
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They should CG them Tron: Legacy style. Creepy uncanny valley versions of them would still be preferable to their current state. :neverusethis:
j/k, I'm fine with them being old.
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/601985_437218039688684_455868146_n.jpg)
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Awesome
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Who's standing between Ford, Fisher, and the tall guy who I can only assume was Chewie? That's not 3PO/Anthony whatever, is it?
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Is it Vader?
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Somebody looks a lot shorter than in the movies.
(https://www.geekscape.net/_wp_/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/disney-buys-star-wars-luke-skywalker-princess-leia-and-han-solo.jpg)
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/601985_437218039688684_455868146_n.jpg)
Back row: Harrison Ford (Han Solo), David Prowse (Darth Vader), Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca)
Middle row: Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia Organa), Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker)
Front row: Kenny Baker (R2-D2)
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FYI, Yoda watches over me at work.....
(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/A53742A2-E3B6-438D-8F64-0954128CCF08-13147-00001042C36D9F28.jpg)
Is that the Yoda toy from Taco Bell?
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Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet, The Clone Wars series has been discontinued due to the direction Lucasfilm Animation wants to take under Disney.
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But they're still going to wrap stuff up I think, at least that's what I got from the Dave Filoni video.
I'm sad, of course, but I'm also glad they have a definite end coming up and aren't just "winging it" cuz it's going on indefinitely. Like How I Met Your Mother has its last season coming up so they can definitely end things properly.
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Oops, never mind...
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https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/03/18/death_star_an_inside_job_watch_luke_s_change_parody_9_11_conspiracy_video.html (https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/03/18/death_star_an_inside_job_watch_luke_s_change_parody_9_11_conspiracy_video.html)
Destruction of Death Star was an inside job.
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They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
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They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
Or better yet, Disney could just do a little revisionist history and re-number A New Hope as Episode 1 and just pretend that the prequel trilogy never happened.
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They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
Why not, they're already retconning the entire EU. :lol Just go back to 3 movies and start over.
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That's the idea.
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They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
Agreed. I already hate everything Disney has done with the deal so far, why not shit on source material and films that are widely enjoyed as well.
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The prequels are widely enjoyed?
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The prequels are widely enjoyed?
Of course they are! Who doesn't love Episode 1? It added so much to the mythology of the franchise, such as the midichlorians, and little Anny winning his happy meal toy race, and Jar Jar Binx is like the new C3PO. Speaking of which, I like how Anakin made C3PO. It added more depth to the story. And the movie finally gave the fans the detailed space politics they had been dying to see for 20 years!
And I love Episode 2 too. Best comedy movie I've seen in a long time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
It didn't George, and I'll never forgive you! The only consolation to my sorrows was getting to hear more amazing John Williams music. :hefdaddy
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They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
Agreed. I already hate everything Disney has done with the deal so far, why not shit on source material and films that are widely enjoyed as well.
What have they done?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
It didn't George, and I'll never forgive you! The only consolation to my sorrows was getting to hear more amazing John Williams music. :hefdaddy
Amen to that.
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I didn't like Phantom Menace at all. Attack of the Clones was an improvement but not very good either. I have nothing against Revenge of the Sith though, I think that is great.
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TPM was horrible, AotC was horrible and uncomfortable, and ROTS is not as openly offensive as the other two but still could have been loads better. I was just watching ROTS the other day, and I remember liking Reap's rewrite so much better (unfortunately I don't remember much about the rewrite itself).
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I find TPM to be cringeworthy to the point of being completely unwatchable, AotC is so bad that it's hilarious and enjoyable for all the wrong reasons, and I found ROTS to be not as objectively bad as the others, but painfully dull and predictable imo.
I think it would take one hell of a conscious effort for the upcoming movies to be anywhere near as bad as the PT.
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I find TPM to be cringeworthy to the point of being completely unwatchable, AotC is so bad that it's hilarious and enjoyable for all the wrong reasons, and I found ROTS to be not as objectively bad as the others, but painfully dull and predictable imo.
I think it would take one hell of a conscious effort for the upcoming movies to be anywhere near as bad as the PT.
That's the descriptor I was looking for, thank you.
As for the conscious effort bit, Lucas is writing the story treatment, so we'll see.
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Yes, but better writers will be doing the actual scripts, so they will be able to fix his awfulness. And if not, JJ will.
I can honestly say that I would be OK with never again watching 1-3.
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The prequels are widely enjoyed?
Of course they are.
They should retcon the prequels in episode 7.
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Agreed. I already hate everything Disney has done with the deal so far, why not shit on source material and films that are widely enjoyed as well.
What have they done?
Canceled The Clone Wars (not that I'll miss it, but it had a lot of fans), shut down LucasArts, fired all the employees, and canceled the games that were in progress. That includes Star Wars 1313, which was shaping up to be what I felt the Expanded Universe always should have been.
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It's not even worth sitting through TPM just for the cool fight scene at the end. That movie is completely irredeemable. I'll never forgive younger me for actually enjoying it the first time I watched it.
About half of AotC has a good movie nestled somewhere in it. Too bad it's surrounded by a terrible and boring love story. I at least find it amusing to rewatch, whereas TPM is just painful.
I haven't ever rewatched RotS since I first saw it. It was terribly mediocre (at best) in the theater so I don't see another viewing improving it at all.
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I'm the opposite. TPM is mildly watchable, ROTS more-so but AOTC is one of the most forgettable movies I've ever seen. Nothing of importance happens in it and it's pretty much on made-for-TV level in terms of quality.
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I loved all of them. I regret nothing! :D
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I'm the opposite. TPM is mildly watchable, ROTS more-so but AOTC is one of the most forgettable movies I've ever seen. Nothing of importance happens in it and it's pretty much on made-for-TV level in terms of quality.
This... but it's only the latter half of TPM that is mildly watchable. The only thing of importance in AOTC is Anakin's slaughter of the sand people, and hence the emergence of his dark emotions.
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I forgot that even happened. But who really cares? They're sand people.
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I forgot that even happened. But who really cares? They're sand people.
They're still people. :laugh:
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Anakin: "Not just the men, but the women and children too! They're like animals and I slaughtered them like animals!"
Padme: (https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/QWERTYkid911/52D3D000-C67C-49C9-BF78-124B8BF6781F-6350-0000050ED1774520.jpg)
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I forgot that even happened. But who really cares? They're sand people.
Racist
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https://kotaku.com/the-last-months-of-lucasarts-472038151
Fuck Disney
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The sand people slaughter is probably one of the "best" things in the movie.
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https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/new-star-wars-movies-will-hit-every-summer-beginning-in-2015?abthid=516eee2eed2c561d66000023 (https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/new-star-wars-movies-will-hit-every-summer-beginning-in-2015?abthid=516eee2eed2c561d66000023)
I'm starting to think Disney is overdoing it.. I mean, a new trilogy was to be expected and I have no problem with that, but this is a bit over the top. There can be too much.
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They said they were planning on yearly films when the purchase was made, so this was expected, too. We'll have to see how they do it. If the standalones are animated or otherwise trying to be different kinds of movies, it might not be as bad. I have wondered if Disney sees a shorter lifespan on the worthiness of the franchise (say 10-15 years) and wants to burn it for every penny while its hot.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing their own version of the Marvel Universe. Final trilogy with story outline from George (but more hands off in production), interspersed with character spinoffs. I only hope that they can pull it off while still feeling like Star Wars.
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SPOILER ALERT:
Patton Oswald spoils Episode VII. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BBhNkywMJY#!) This is gonna rock.
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SPOILER ALERT:
Patton Oswald spoils Episode VII. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BBhNkywMJY#!) This is gonna rock.
I couldn't get past the 2 minute mark before shutting it off. SO I CAN WATCH ALL OF IT WHEN MY ROOMMATE GETS BACK LATER!! :hefdaddy <-- even more appropriate while quoting you. :lol
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I don't think a new movie every year will be overkill, especially if they're alternating between main films and standalone films. I just hope that the standalones are strong, and not just quick cash-ins, because a lot of the ideas I've heard floating around have been really awful. But some of them have potential to be good franchises in their own right. It's a big universe to explore.
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SPOILER ALERT:
Patton Oswald spoils Episode VII. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BBhNkywMJY#!) This is gonna rock.
:rollin That's fantastic. I love how you can see him having to fight off laughing at about the 4:30 mark when he starts talking about Chewbacca's head.
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Harrison Ford on Kimmel last night. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7T0vs9gYydo)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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ROARRR!!
"Yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you?"
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She was my WIFE, you wookiee sack of shit!
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SPOILER ALERT:
Patton Oswald spoils Episode VII. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5BBhNkywMJY#!) This is gonna rock.
:rollin That's fantastic. I love how you can see him having to fight off laughing at about the 4:30 mark when he starts talking about Chewbacca's head.
It was so awesome that Entertainment Weekly had a poster commissioned.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/episode7_zps12cad98a.jpg)
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That was glorious
"It's Slave 1. Boba Fett's shit... ship"
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And in a beacon of hope...Kathleen Kennedy is in consideration to become Disney's next CEO.
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Wait...is that a SR-71? :lol
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/207189_458720870875076_2095557355_n.jpg)
Lucas did say this was how he envisioned the scene.
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My fear is if they rush these movies out they will most likely never be their full potential. Disney just needs to calm down and just say a Star Wars movie is in the works. I don't care if it's 4 to 5 years down the road. Get a good story, an awesome and experienced writing team and as long as J.J. can compromise on zero lens flares... there shouldn't no problem in producing an awesome movie. Personally I would rather them create a whole new story line than rekindle the older characters.
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I hope they can retain the feel of Star Wars. As awful as the prequel trilogy was, it still felt like Star Wars. From an audio standpoint, I think we're good. John Williams*, Skywalker Sound, and Ben Burtt. I just hope J.J. doesn't stray too far from the visual style of the films, and for the love of God, stay away from the plot.
*Though it was rumored that Michael Giacchino (longtime J.J. Abrams collaborator) might compose the score, it's all but confirmed that John Williams will be coming back.
“All I can tell you is that the thing that excites me most about a new Star Wars film is the possibility of hearing new John Williams music. I would much rather hear John Williams’ Star Wars score than my music for Star Wars.”
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-7-score-john-williams/
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Relevant:
https://theforce.net/latestnews/story/JJ_Abrams_Expect_Williams_To_Score_Episode_VII_151501.asp
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I'm glad they're getting Williams. I really love Giacchino's work, but Star Wars isn't Star Wars without John Williams, and it's a good sign that JJ isn't just doing his usual job of bringing in his guys.
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Clone Wars Info: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2013/04/30/star-wars-the-clone-wars-animation/2122763/
Don't read the paragraph of the article that starts "The Jedi have been fighting a war..." if you don't want any spoilers.
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As he destroyed Vulcan in Star Trek 2009 -
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" There. They're dead. We're not going to be seeing them again. "
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:rollin That would be awesome, actually. They could have the empire/Sith/whatever destroy the Gungans, and then the jedi show up with lightsabers drawn, ready to throw down, and then they all simultaneously close their lightsabers and say, "Yeah, you know, actually I think we're cool with this. We hated them too. Maybe we've just misunderstood each other all this time, and we actually have a lot in common." A bunch of stormtroopers standing around look at each other, shrug, and put their weapons down, and then everybody sits down together and they just hang out and have a party or something.
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Kinda like when the Tribe's merge in Survivor. Then they all start plotting secretly against one another.
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The Gungans are from Naboo, which is also Queen Amidala's home world, so they can't...
Ah, what the hell. Blow it up anyway. There would actually be some symmetry in that. Princess Leia's home world was destroyed in the original trilogy.
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The Gungans are from Naboo, which is also Queen Amidala's home world, so they can't...
Well, just evacuate every human that doesn't vaguely resemble Natalie Portman, and THEN blow it up then.
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Who would you really love to see in their own movie/series?
Some Suggestions:
Jedi: Yoda - Obiwan Kenobi - Mace Windu - Syfo Dias - Ahsoka Tanno
Sith: Maul - Count Dooku - Palpatine (Sidious/Plagus)
Midichlorian-challenged: Boba Fett - Chewbacca - 501st Legion
Wild Card: R2-D2 - Greedo - Jabba the Hutt
The two most obvious ones are going to be Yoda and Boba Fett but who else would be great to see in their own cinema show?
I would LOVE to see an R2-D2 origins story, he was built somewhere/when, and he could very well be as old as dirt. I actually have a feeling, or a hope at least, that they might tell his story in a future expansion of The Old Republic MMO. It takes place 3,000 years before the movies and could be an amazing experience.
The other one that I think has the most potential is the Palpatine story arc from when he was young, met Darth Plagus (if this is indeed how it goes), became Darth Sidious, created life (Anakin), and engineered the Clone Wars with Syfo Dias. It would tell his story up until Episode I and then skip over to the time between I and II (and/or flashbacks) to see how he became the Architect of the Empire once he rises to be Supreme Chancellor.
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The main ones I hear about are Han Solo and Boba Fett. The good thing about a character like Boba Fett or R2-D2 though is of course that recasting isn't a big issue. I personally don't imagine Yoda would make a very good story, and R2 might be a bit of an oddball one since he doesn't speak.
I think Boba Fett would be the best candidate, although maybe the fact he's a "bad guy" might put Disney off? But it's completely open there for him, and it's easy to see that they could do great standalone movies with him.
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Apparently Episode VII is filming in the UK.
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Jj has said that his Star Wars film will be completely different to his Star trek films.
I wonder if he'll continue to use a lot of English actors as per the previous Wars movies ?
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I hear it's all Wookiees this time around.
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Wookies can be English. You know, it is just a costume.
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:omg: It is?
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For the last time, you are not a Wookie, Orbert.
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Meanie. :(
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jg1mUEDPOo&feature=youtu.be&t=1m33s
:tup
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Nice, then at least there's no doubt that the score will be awesome.
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Lucas is otherwise occupied... :tup
(https://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/64056-george-lucas-marries-mellody-hobson-see-their-romantic-wedding-picture/1372177496_mellody-hobson-george-lucas-wedding-467.jpg)
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For the last time, you are not a Wookie, Orbert.
:rollin
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Congrats to Mr. Lucas on the wedding. ;D
Since it happened a week ago, I'm assuming people saw the released casting call for Episode VII?
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Congrats to Mr. Lucas on the wedding. ;D
Since it happened a week ago, I'm assuming people saw the released casting call for Episode VII?
I wonder if George will have 3 kids and then wait 16 years and have another 3 kids,
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Congrats to Mr. Lucas on the wedding. ;D
Since it happened a week ago, I'm assuming people saw the released casting call for Episode VII?
You mean the one that reads as completely fake and taken from the EU novels and was basically debunked?
Or was there another newer one?
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Never heard of that one. There is one that was confirmed by multiple sources, including Lucasfilm, last week or so.
About seven brief character descriptions with a probability of a female lead.
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Probably different to the one I saw then. I may have even skipped it, thinking it was the same one because of the proximity.
The one I'm talking about mentioned brother/sister Jedis, and one turns bad.
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Probably different to the one I saw then. I may have even skipped it, thinking it was the same one because of the proximity.
The one I'm talking about mentioned brother/sister Jedis, and one turns bad.
Oh right, I do recall that from AICN (which I hate). This is different.
In order:
Late-teen female, independent, good sense of humour, fit.
Young 20-something male, witty and smart, fit but not traditionally good looking.
A late 20-something male, fit, handsome and confident.
A 70-something male, with strong opinions and tough demeanour. Also doesn’t need to be particularly fit.
A second young female, also late teens, tough, smart and fit.
A 40-something male, fit, military type.
A 30-something male, intellectual. Apparently doesn’t need to be fit.
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Ok, definitely not the one I saw, but I do remember someone mentioning the "30 something male, intellectual, doesn't need to be fit" one, because they said it was finally a part they could play. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcc7w8YmHo#at=301
I posted this in the funny thread...but I really thought it should go here as well.
Best SW mashup I've ever seen.
The emperor as voiced by Mark Hamill's The Joker. (and Bane as Darth Vader) BRILLIANT!
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Congrats to Mr. Lucas on the wedding. ;D
Since it happened a week ago, I'm assuming people saw the released casting call for Episode VII?
I wonder if George will have 3 kids and then wait 16 years and have another 3 kids,
Yeah, and then the first three kids will grow up to be famous, beatiful, and well-loved. Then he'll force them all to get plastic surgery.
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This is a completely and utterly brilliant article! :biggrin:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2013/03/why-anakins-conversion-to-the-dark-side-made-sense/ (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2013/03/why-anakins-conversion-to-the-dark-side-made-sense/)
Poorly executed prequel? Sure. Possibly a great character arch if it would have been presented better? You bet.
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https://moviepilot.com/articles/1117583-star-wars-retrospective-obi-wan-lies-deconstructing-a-pivotal-scene-from-a-new-hope
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This is a completely and utterly brilliant article! :biggrin:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2013/03/why-anakins-conversion-to-the-dark-side-made-sense/ (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2013/03/why-anakins-conversion-to-the-dark-side-made-sense/)
Poorly executed prequel? Sure. Possibly a great character arch if it would have been presented better? You bet.
Wow, as one of the commenters said, I was ready to call bullshit from the title alone, but the guy makes a great case, makes it believeable. We always knew that there was a great story hiding somewhere in those prequels, buried under all the crappy execution, and the article actually makes far more sense than what we saw on screen.
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Yeah, I don't think Anakin's conversion was ever doubtful. Problem is the execution. Just going by what you see on screen, it doesn't really make sense. It's not hard to give it some perspective.
Part of the problem is, Lucas doesn't know how to make us feel about Anakin. In Ep. 1, Lucas fixates way too much on how cute and special Anakin is, and never sets up any indiciation that Anakin's too special and self centered. Having him win the podrace in an underhanded way and then allowed to slide by the Jedi would have helped.
In Ep. II, we do finally see some real raised questions about Anakin's maturity, but Lucas handles it all tactlessly. When Anakin's showing his "dark side" tendencies, it's obvious to the viewers, because he's acting like a spoiled brat and we instantly side with Kenobi. What would have been better is for Lucas to have found a way to show us how ridiculous and unfair the rules of Kenobi and the Jedi seemed to Anakin, before zooming out to show us how Anakin's choices were leading him a certain way. At that juncture, self-righteous mini-rebellions of the Jedi and Kenobi would have sufficed, and been much more effective than the spur of the moment sandpeople rampage.
For episode III, Lucas could have delved way more deeply into how Palpatine leads Anakin to the darkside by appealing to his frustrations with the Jedi and leading him to abandon the Jedi religion. There was AMPLE opportunity for Lucas to raise the alternative "Sith" perspective, but he just never does. After watching Ep. III, the whole Sith religion and it's philosophical reasons for violently rejecting Jedi are still vague, at best. The only clear reason for why Anakin rebels is wanting to save Portman. Anakin going dark isn't really made obvious to us by an outward rejection of the Jedi religion, but just through a series of heinous and overly violent acts he commits because he wants to do whatever the Emperor says.
So while I agree with the writer, I don't agree that Lucas does a good job of making the conversion make sense.
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I think the writer said that he'd read the novelizations five or six times. I haven't read them, but I'm assuming that those stories are fleshed out a lot, providing much greater perspective into Anakin's thought processes. Also, it seems like the type of guy who'd read the novelizations over and over has had a lot of time to think about it, and has come to his conclusions almost independently of what's actually in the movie.
Sure, he constantly refers to Padme as Natalie Portman and Mace Windu as Jules from Pulp Fiction, but I still think he's ultimately seeing the movies at this point through the eyes of someone much more familiar with the backstories and far more entrenched in the canon than the average moviegoer. All that beautiful logic and reasoning in the article -- and it is well done -- goes way beyond what we actually see on screen.
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Honestly, I thought references to Portman and Jules were only there for laughs.
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Well yeah, but in some way, they also reinforced that this is about the movies, not the novelizations. My point is that he was performing his analysis after the benefit of reading and re-reading the novelizations, a benefit most moviegoers do not have. Based strictly on what we see on screen, the story is not nearly as good, and the vast majority of viewers did not come to the same conclusions as he did.
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I had no problems with the turn/execution/believability etc. I loved the film and that isn't going to change. I love the Greek mythology/self-fulfilling prophecy aspect of it.
It's interesting, my girlfriend watched all the Star Wars films with me recently, and she only had faint memories of A New Hope from earlier. She didn't really fall in love with any of them, but Revenge of the Sith is the only one that really caught on with her, and it definitely had more of an emotional impact than any of the other films. Incredible movie.
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I think the writer said that he'd read the novelizations five or six times. I haven't read them, but I'm assuming that those stories are fleshed out a lot, providing much greater perspective into Anakin's thought processes. Also, it seems like the type of guy who'd read the novelizations over and over has had a lot of time to think about it, and has come to his conclusions almost independently of what's actually in the movie.
I just read the article and what you said is actually mistaken. He only mentioned reading the novel once, then detailed "the first 5 or 6 times he watched the film". Overall the article is pretty straightforward, and stuff that was pretty obvious from the film, but still overlooked by a lot of folks.
Anyhow, I'm sure we all saw the news of Arndt being off the project now. Writing duties have passed onto Abrams and Kasdan, and the release date is now "expected 2015".
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My mistake then.
Still, he's given this a lot of thought, and after five or six viewings, he's seen it more times than most people and had a great deal of time to formulate his thoughts. And he's come to the conclusion that Anakin's turn to the Dark Side isn't as ridiculous, sudden, and/or unreasonable as a lot have said. That may be true, but most people who didn't buy it, didn't buy it after the first viewing or maybe the first couple.
My point is that if that's the initial impression of most viewers (which it seems to be), then the movie is flawed, for the reasons most people say it is. Star Wars is popcorn fare. You shouldn't have to watch it five or six times to finally make sense of it, finally understand why the main character has made such a huge decision.
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The novelization of episode III was written by Matthew Stover, who is probably the best writer of Star Wars fiction there is, and he NAILS Anakin turning to the Dark Side. If half of what he wrote had made it to the screen, you'd have understood perfectly why Anakin turned. And a lot of the motivations WERE in the original cut of the movie...and Lucas dumped them. Hell, Stover manages to make some of the silly elements of the overall plot work. The EU writers period did yeoman's work making Lucas' crap make sense, but Stover made you not only believe Anakin's turn but care about it.
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I believe it. As I said, there's a much better story behind Anakin Skywalker than George Lucas managed to put on screen. It wouldn't surprise me if Stover took it as a challenge, to see how much he could actually improve upon the story simply by adding detail and not actually changing anything.
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My mistake then.
Still, he's given this a lot of thought, and after five or six viewings, he's seen it more times than most people and had a great deal of time to formulate his thoughts. And he's come to the conclusion that Anakin's turn to the Dark Side isn't as ridiculous, sudden, and/or unreasonable as a lot have said. That may be true, but most people who didn't buy it, didn't buy it after the first viewing or maybe the first couple.
My point is that if that's the initial impression of most viewers (which it seems to be), then the movie is flawed, for the reasons most people say it is. Star Wars is popcorn fare. You shouldn't have to watch it five or six times to finally make sense of it, finally understand why the main character has made such a huge decision.
I'm going to assume that by "most", you mean most of those that saw a problem with the turn, and not most that saw the film, and if that is the case then I agree with you. It always made sense to me, since the biggest factor was built on something that began with Attack of the Clones, though I do give it more thought than most.
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I never had a problem with the reasons for his turn, just the way Lucas told it was weak. It could've been and should've been done so much better.
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Not sure if that goes in this thread or in the Zelda one, but here:
SUPER SMASH WARS: A Link To The Hope - A Star Wars / Nintendo-verse Mashup (https://youtu.be/Gh-BEKM-jRc)
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December 18th, 2015
https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/11/07/star-wars-episode-vii-release-set-for-december-18-2015-breaking/
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I read that earlier, and that's good news. I've seen some people whining that it needs to be May, but I'd rather them have a bit more time to put out a great movie.
It's in Disney's best interests to release a strong SW movie that puts people at ease about the continuation of the franchise, even if they firmly wanted to keep to a 2015 schedule. And it's going to do great business for them regardless of what time of year it's released.
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Yeah, although I'll for sure miss having Star Wars as a birthday celebration.
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I read that earlier, and that's good news. I've seen some people whining that it needs to be May, but I'd rather them have a bit more time to put out a great movie.
It's in Disney's best interests to release a strong SW movie that puts people at ease about the continuation of the franchise, even if they firmly wanted to keep to a 2015 schedule. And it's going to do great business for them regardless of what time of year it's released.
It should come out in May...2016.
Or better yet, never.
Also, Saoirse Ronan has confirmed she didn't get the part. :-\
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Ah, that's a shame about Ronan. I'm pleasantly surprised to say I like the movies she's been in.
Anywho, new blog post today, a list of three stuff. I mention this because at #2 is a review of the recent comic series "The Star Wars," which is an adaptation of George Lucas's 1974 draft of the script for A New Hope. Let's just say it's a good thing it stayed a draft, and it pretty much sums up my belief that George Lucas never figured out what audiences liked about Star Wars, because the stuff that sucked he ended up taking out in 1977, but just brought it back for the Prequel Trilogy.
https://hoppedonpop.com/2013/11/12/short-but-sweet-4/
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So, as some of you may know, they're doing online auditions for the new Star Wars flick. The thought of nerds (relax, I love you) everywhere trying their best to impress the powers that be made me giggle with delight. And it certainly didn't stop me from throwing my hat into the ring, with the help of some friends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aKXgMPZfHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aKXgMPZfHI)
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Ah, that's a shame about Ronan. I'm pleasantly surprised to say I like the movies she's been in.
Anywho, new blog post today, a list of three stuff. I mention this because at #2 is a review of the recent comic series "The Star Wars," which is an adaptation of George Lucas's 1974 draft of the script for A New Hope. Let's just say it's a good thing it stayed a draft, and it pretty much sums up my belief that George Lucas never figured out what audiences liked about Star Wars, because the stuff that sucked he ended up taking out in 1977, but just brought it back for the Prequel Trilogy.
https://hoppedonpop.com/2013/11/12/short-but-sweet-4/
It's a draft for a reason, and it's ok for drafts to suck. There were still some really cool ideas in there, even though they didn't really work with what we came to know as Star Wars. I do hope one day people get over the idea that the prequels are universally hated by everyone though, since all evidence points to the contrary. It's easy to see the misconception though, with the butthurt still shouting as loud as they do after all these years.
That said, the open auditions are actually coming within a few miles of my house the day after tomorrow. I would love to say I know someone in the new flicks.
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Ah, that's a shame about Ronan. I'm pleasantly surprised to say I like the movies she's been in.
Anywho, new blog post today, a list of three stuff. I mention this because at #2 is a review of the recent comic series "The Star Wars," which is an adaptation of George Lucas's 1974 draft of the script for A New Hope. Let's just say it's a good thing it stayed a draft, and it pretty much sums up my belief that George Lucas never figured out what audiences liked about Star Wars, because the stuff that sucked he ended up taking out in 1977, but just brought it back for the Prequel Trilogy.
https://hoppedonpop.com/2013/11/12/short-but-sweet-4/
It's a draft for a reason, and it's ok for drafts to suck. There were still some really cool ideas in there, even though they didn't really work with what we came to know as Star Wars. I do hope one day people get over the idea that the prequels are universally hated by everyone though, since all evidence points to the contrary. It's easy to see the misconception though, with the butthurt still shouting as loud as they do after all these years.
That said, the open auditions are actually coming within a few miles of my house the day after tomorrow. I would love to say I know someone in the new flicks.
Then maybe you'll like these comics. :biggrin:
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Ha! It's interesting to see it as an alternate universe so to speak, if nothing else.
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Has any of you seen the fan edits by JamieSWB? They're very cool, tons of behind-the-scenes footage.
And, let me just reiterate, good god is Carrie Fisher hot in ROTJ. And I'm not just talking metal bikini Carrie Fisher, even tie-die shirt Carrie later in the movie.
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Has any of you seen the fan edits by JamieSWB? They're very cool, tons of behind-the-scenes footage.
Because of this post, I've now watched the ones for both the original and ESB. What are you doing to me?
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My biggest problem with the dialogue in the prequels was that everyone literally said everything they "felt." Especially regarding the love affair between Anakin and Padme. It was so forced (no pun intended :facepalm:). Also Anakin's fall to the dark side. You should see it in his face. Not him verbally saying, "What did I do?" when he helped kill Windu. And no one can ever forget, "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" Why not have him only use the force and go after the Emperor only to be struck down in enternal servitude?
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To this day I don't exactly know what Padme died of.
And, I know there's a lot of stuff to hate in the prequels, but shoehorning a Jesus allegory of immaculate conception into the Darth Vader back story is pretty high up there.
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To this day I don't exactly know what Padme died of.
You have to watch the deleted scenes. She actually tore a page out of the script, and literally choked herself on bad dialog.
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To this day I don't exactly know what Padme died of.
And, I know there's a lot of stuff to hate in the prequels, but shoehorning a Jesus allegory of immaculate conception into the Darth Vader back story is pretty high up there.
I honestly think it was a ratings thing. I would have loved to have seen him actually mortally wound her and then they surgically remove the babies. I think they were shooting for a G rating though. lol
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To this day I don't exactly know what Padme died of.
And, I know there's a lot of stuff to hate in the prequels, but shoehorning a Jesus allegory of immaculate conception into the Darth Vader back story is pretty high up there.
I dug it.
I've always kind of viewed it as she had a symbiotic relationship with Anakin. He died, so she died. Ties back in with a theme from the Phantom Menace as well.
However, in one novel they mention that Padme had a broken hyoid, which they did not search for because there was no external trauma due to him not choking her with his hands ("she's completely healthy"). Too little too late perhaps, but it's interesting to think about nonetheless.
Either way, Anakin killed her. I love the self-fulfilling prophecy. Very Greek.
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Anakin didn't die.
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I don't consider books on the movies to be canon so I'll chalk this one up to a case of bad writing.
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Anakin didn't die.
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I don't consider books on the movies to be canon so I'll chalk this one up to a case of bad writing.
Indeed.
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More and more, I'm seeing people say stuff like "the old Star Wars movies that that much better than the prequels. They both have ridiculous dialog and plots. The original movies just have the benefit of being seen through nostalgia goggles."
Why is this happening?
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Nowadays people have to have the least popular opinion. Hating the prequels has become so popular recently that some people decide to abandon reason so they can have a unique opinion.
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I like this response. For whatever reason, hating the prequels seems to be seen as an easy opinion to have, and thus not a sophisticated and intelligent one. Because of that, talking about the merits of the prequels and the demerits of the OT is an easy way to come off as sophisticated and intelligent.
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Michael Fassbender and Hugo Weaving are supposedly being considered for parts, and though I may be in the minority, I really hope Weaving is not in this. His voice is too iconic. It would be hard to separate his Matrix or LOTR roles from whatever he is in SW.
I would prefer 1-2 known actors, other than the returning cast, and a bunch of "nobodies" who don't carry the baggage of former roles. I'm sure most people saw Sam Jackson and couldn't wait for him to say motherfucker. It's more of a distraction than anything else.
I also hope that the stick with and develop a single villain over the course of the trilogy rather than the Darth Maul, Jango Fett, Darth Sideous, General Grievous flavor-of-the-day formula of the prequels.
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I don't hate the prequels, I just find them boring.
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Nowadays people have to have the least popular opinion. Hating the prequels has become so popular recently that some people decide to abandon reason so they can have a unique opinion.
Star Wars hipsters? :lol
I think Ep 1 is so bad that it's unwatchable these days. I always found Ep 2 enjoyable purely for the comedy value of how poorly made it was (especially the CG), and I just found Ep 3 to be boring, but not bad. Most people seemed to like that one, but I didn't find any entertainment value in it. It was largely going through the motions to fit the square peg of the PT to the round hole of the OT. So by default my favourite was Ep 2, which is kind of sad.
It will be interesting what the fanbase thinks about Ep VII. I'm hearing rumours that the rewrites to the script were to put the focus on the 3 returning characters for Ep VII, then hand it off to the new characters for the next movies, so with much stronger connections to the OT, I think people are going to be more strongly opinionated one way or another on the new movies.
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Eh. I like all the movies.
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Is there anyone who thinks Ep 1 is a good movie who didn't see it as a kid? I want to believe that nostalgia is the only possible reason anyone can find that to be an enjoyable movie. :lol
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Nowadays people have to have the least popular opinion. Hating the prequels has become so popular recently that some people decide to abandon reason so they can have a unique opinion.
Star Wars hipsters? :lol
I think Ep 1 is so bad that it's unwatchable these days. I always found Ep 2 enjoyable purely for the comedy value of how poorly made it was (especially the CG), and I just found Ep 3 to be boring, but not bad. Most people seemed to like that one, but I didn't find any entertainment value in it. It was largely going through the motions to fit the square peg of the PT to the round hole of the OT. So by default my favourite was Ep 2, which is kind of sad.
It will be interesting what the fanbase thinks about Ep VII. I'm hearing rumours that the rewrites to the script were to put the focus on the 3 returning characters for Ep VII, then hand it off to the new characters for the next movies, so with much stronger connections to the OT, I think people are going to be more strongly opinionated one way or another on the new movies.
Pretty much this, except the comedic value of Ep II nearly made me suicidal. I hate that they waited and had to shoehorn almost all of the necessities into Sith. I never viewed Anakin as "a good friend". They tried too hard to force it. Very poor writing.
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I think Ep 1 is so bad that it's unwatchable these days. I always found Ep 2 enjoyable purely for the comedy value of how poorly made it was (especially the CG), and I just found Ep 3 to be boring, but not bad. Most people seemed to like that one, but I didn't find any entertainment value in it. It was largely going through the motions to fit the square peg of the PT to the round hole of the OT. So by default my favourite was Ep 2, which is kind of sad.
Curiously, I like Episode I the most. For all its ridiculousness, it feels the most like a real movie. Not every background is CG, there's real sets in it. Not every dialog scene is shot/reverse shot. It's obviously not a good movie by any stretch, but it's not totally without merit.
Is there anyone who thinks Ep 1 is a good movie who didn't see it as a kid? I want to believe that nostalgia is the only possible reason anyone can find that to be an enjoyable movie. :lol
I saw it as a kid, but the only thing I remember from then is the pod race scene. At the time, Episode I was actually my least favorite, because ATOC has action and ROTS was dark.
Episode III is the one that confuses me the most in terms of fan perception. It's the darkest movie, yes, but that darkness is so poorly handled that it's actually worse than the other two movies. It sucks when Jar Jar steps in the poop, definitely. But it's even worse when Anakin is explaining why he's chosen to completely betray who he is and says "IN MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL!!!!!"
It will be interesting what the fanbase thinks about Ep VII. I'm hearing rumours that the rewrites to the script were to put the focus on the 3 returning characters for Ep VII, then hand it off to the new characters for the next movies, so with much stronger connections to the OT, I think people are going to be more strongly opinionated one way or another on the new movies.
I have no expectations. These movies exist not because anyone wanted to tell this story, but because Disney wants to make money. And JJ Abrams is directing. His track record is anti-inspiring to me.
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Is there anyone who thinks Ep 1 is a good movie who didn't see it as a kid? I want to believe that nostalgia is the only possible reason anyone can find that to be an enjoyable movie. :lol
At least it felt like a SW movie. Clones was a poor attempt at a noir detective flick crossed with a Japanese monster movie esthetic.
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I was 13 and Jar Jar, Anakin, and those stupid droids were still annoying to me. I don't remember how much I enjoyed the pod race. Oh, and that stupid frog guy that kept shaking his face... Was Episode 1 a kids movie or what?
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Is there anyone who thinks Ep 1 is a good movie who didn't see it as a kid? I want to believe that nostalgia is the only possible reason anyone can find that to be an enjoyable movie. :lol
At least it felt like a SW movie. Clones was a poor attempt at a noir detective flick crossed with a Japanese monster movie esthetic.
Well Ep 3 easily felt the most like a SW movie, with Vader, and a lot more connections to the OT, but I found that a total chore to sit through. Whether or not the movies felt like SW didn't seem to be related to whether or not it was actually a good movie.
And I'm personally cautiously optimistic for the new one. It can't possibly be worse than the PT imo, and despite Disney wanting to push forward with their new cash cow at full speed, everyone involved with the movie seems to be pushing back hard to make this the best SW movie they can. I don't have a lot of faith in JJ after what he did to Trek, and I don't like any of his TV shows either, but he's a big SW fan, and I think he has the absolute best intentions with this movie. Whether or not that means the movie will end up good, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Was Episode 1 a kids movie or what?
Not even Lucas knows. He's publicly quoted as saying the Star Wars movies are kinds movies, but he also wrote and directed Episode III, which features Anakin's flesh graphically melting off, cold betrayal, and the murder of children.
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Episode III had SW elements, but I just don't think that any of them have lasting appeal. Sure there might be a few great scenes, like everything involving Darth Maul, but whenever the OT is on, I can't turn it off while I barely give the PT a passing glance.
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Is there anyone who thinks Ep 1 is a good movie who didn't see it as a kid? I want to believe that nostalgia is the only possible reason anyone can find that to be an enjoyable movie. :lol
Well, I did see it as a kid, so I suppose I'm not a very good control group. :lol
However, there's all sorts of other stuff I liked as a kid that I don't anymore, so....
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My brother - love him to death - but he has the most logic-defying taste in movies. He doesn't prefer the Prequels, but he does claim Episode III is the second-best Star Wars movie overall (thankfully, he has the good sense to rank Empire Strikes Back as #1). And not out of any sense of contrariness. No, he has oft argued to me in complete seriousness that the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan battle gives Ep. 3 the edge over the Originals "because of how much more emotion there is in the fight."
I shit you not.
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Was Episode 1 a kids movie or what?
Not even Lucas knows. He's publicly quoted as saying they are, but he also wrote and directed Episode III, which features Anakin's flesh graphically melting off, cold betrayal, and the murder of children.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit is rated PG, but has lots of swearing, an off screen but graphic sex scene, and a shoe is brutally murdered.
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Who Framed Roger Rabbit is rated PG, but has lots of swearing, an off screen but graphic sex scene, and a shoe is brutally murdered.
Would you call WFRR a kids movie?
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My brother - love him to death - but he has the most logic-defying taste in movies. He doesn't prefer the Prequels, but he does claim Episode III is the second-best Star Wars movie overall (thankfully, he has the good sense to rank Empire Strikes Back as #1). And not out of any sense of contrariness. No, he has oft argued to me in complete seriousness that the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan battle gives Ep. 3 the edge over the Originals "because of how much more emotion there is in the fight."
I shit you not.
I've seen a good percentage of people who rank Ep 3 higher than ROTJ, since everyone seems to hate ROTJ now.
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Even if ROTJ sucked (which it doesn't), Carrie Fisher in a bikini still would have saved it.
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I don't have a lot of faith in JJ after what he did to Trek, and I don't like any of his TV shows either, but he's a big SW fan, and I think he has the absolute best intentions with this movie. Whether or not that means the movie will end up good, we'll just have to wait and see.
I can't recommend Fringe enough if you don't watch it. A little shaky in the early episodes maybe...but it's a fantastic sci fi show otherwise. Don't write it off because he also makes tripe like Revolution. :-[
But taking everything else Abrams has done...there's definitely more I don't like or consider just average, than there is that I like, so I'm not really getting my hopes up for Episode VII.
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Who Framed Roger Rabbit is rated PG, but has lots of swearing, an off screen but graphic sex scene, and a shoe is brutally murdered.
Would you call WFRR a kids movie?
Yes I would. As ass backwards as that may be. I was 4 and loved the movie. Still do.
It really isn't though, is it?
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It's one of those rare films that works for both kids and adults. The "adult" stuff flies right over most kids' heads, and the "kid" stuff isn't totally inane and generally pretty entertaining for all ages.
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Even if ROTJ sucked (which it doesn't), Carrie Fisher in a bikini still would have saved it.
That's a pretty sound argument.
I don't have a lot of faith in JJ after what he did to Trek, and I don't like any of his TV shows either, but he's a big SW fan, and I think he has the absolute best intentions with this movie. Whether or not that means the movie will end up good, we'll just have to wait and see.
I can't recommend Fringe enough if you don't watch it. A little shaky in the early episodes maybe...but it's a fantastic sci fi show otherwise. Don't write it off because he also makes tripe like Revolution. :-[
But taking everything else Abrams has done...there's definitely more I don't like or consider just average, than there is that I like, so I'm not really getting my hopes up for Episode VII.
I've actually thought about watching Fringe, but the fact it's Abrams has always put me right off it, since I don't like what he considers "scifi" to be at all.
But I think JJ's approach could be a perfect fit for the lighter, more action adventure style of Star Wars.
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I saw Episode 1 in the theaters when it came out and I thought it was the tits. I watched it again on VHS (long before Attack of the Clones came out) and was like, what happened? Why is this movie shit now? :lol
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Anakin didn't die.
Oh come on. :lol
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My brother - love him to death - but he has the most logic-defying taste in movies. He doesn't prefer the Prequels, but he does claim Episode III is the second-best Star Wars movie overall (thankfully, he has the good sense to rank Empire Strikes Back as #1). And not out of any sense of contrariness. No, he has oft argued to me in complete seriousness that the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan battle gives Ep. 3 the edge over the Originals "because of how much more emotion there is in the fight."
I shit you not.
I've seen a good percentage of people who rank Ep 3 higher than ROTJ, since everyone seems to hate ROTJ now.
Oh sure, I hate ROTJ too (with the sole exception of the Luke vs. Vader battle), but there's no way I could ever rank Revenge of the Shit Sith higher.
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Even if ROTJ sucked (which it doesn't), Carrie Fisher in a bikini still would have saved it.
That's a pretty sound argument.
I don't have a lot of faith in JJ after what he did to Trek, and I don't like any of his TV shows either, but he's a big SW fan, and I think he has the absolute best intentions with this movie. Whether or not that means the movie will end up good, we'll just have to wait and see.
I can't recommend Fringe enough if you don't watch it. A little shaky in the early episodes maybe...but it's a fantastic sci fi show otherwise. Don't write it off because he also makes tripe like Revolution. :-[
But taking everything else Abrams has done...there's definitely more I don't like or consider just average, than there is that I like, so I'm not really getting my hopes up for Episode VII.
I've actually thought about watching Fringe, but the fact it's Abrams has always put me right off it, since I don't like what he considers "scifi" to be at all.
But I think JJ's approach could be a perfect fit for the lighter, more action adventure style of Star Wars.
Abrams really didn't have much to do with Fringe at all, other than pitching the show and coming up with a skeletal premise, so if your objection amounts to 'JJ was involved' don't let that taint the series for you.
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Yeah, Fringe is awesome.
At least to Season 3. Haven't seen past that.
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Abrams really didn't have much to do with Fringe at all, other than pitching the show and coming up with a skeletal premise, so if your objection amounts to 'JJ was involved' don't let that taint the series for you.
I was actually going to say something like this myself. JH Wyman probably deserves the most credit for the show's quality. I'm not sure Abrams did much of anything outside creating and executive producing. He wasn't a showrunner and he only has a few co-writing credits in the early episodes.
I've actually thought about watching Fringe, but the fact it's Abrams has always put me right off it, since I don't like what he considers "scifi" to be at all.
It's every bit a science fiction series. But this is also the wrong thread so...I should probably stop pitching. :lol
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Abrams really didn't have much to do with Fringe at all, other than pitching the show and coming up with a skeletal premise, so if your objection amounts to 'JJ was involved' don't let that taint the series for you.
I'll keep that in mind. :tup It's not that I've dismissed the show because of some faint JJ involvement, it's just made me hesitant to get around to watching it to finally give it a chance. All of the other JJ related shows I've seen have shared a lot of the same elements I dislike in modern television, although to be fair, from what little I've seen of Fringe, it didn't seem like that at all.
Now let's get back from that slight derail. You've all convinced me that JJ didn't ruin it. :lol
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I'll chime in as well Blob - I'm not a huge sci-fi fan at all (although I enjoy the early Star Wars, Stargate etc...) but I love Fringe and have watched since the beginning and currently watching the final series on tv. Aussie John Noble is brilliant as Walter.
As an aside this thread has made me think of Maul STanley :) - anyone remember him? A comic character created by the sadly departed Anthony John Confessore who was also responsible for CC Banana and Ace Peeley. He did some hilarious interviews with metal guys and people at Star Wars conventions back in the day - more so as CC Banana.
https://www.maulstanley.com/myth.html
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Guys guys guys.....If Emperor Palpatine were voiced by Mark Hamills Joker, and Vader was voiced by Tom Hardy's Bane. Some of the video editing isn't that impressive, but the audio is absolutely delightful
https://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/08/21/if-emperor-palpatine-were-voiced-by-mark-hamills-joker/
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Anakin didn't die.
Oh come on. :lol
??? What? Unless you are using a definition of the word "die" of which I was previously unaware.
And Fringe was awesome.
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Anakin "died" and Darth Vader was born.
amirite?
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From a certain point of view.
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Anakin didn't die.
Oh come on. :lol
??? What? Unless you are using a definition of the word "die" of which I was previously unaware.
And Fringe was awesome.
Get a load of Captain Literal over here. The end of the movie is shot so that Anakin and Padme die at the same time, while Vader and the twins are born at the same time.
From a certain point of view.
Yes. I'm using the same definition of "die" that Obi-Wan used in Return of the Jedi. No, it isn't literal, and yes he is briefly resurrected/saved.
My brother - love him to death - but he has the most logic-defying taste in movies. He doesn't prefer the Prequels, but he does claim Episode III is the second-best Star Wars movie overall (thankfully, he has the good sense to rank Empire Strikes Back as #1). And not out of any sense of contrariness. No, he has oft argued to me in complete seriousness that the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan battle gives Ep. 3 the edge over the Originals "because of how much more emotion there is in the fight."
I shit you not.
I've seen a good percentage of people who rank Ep 3 higher than ROTJ, since everyone seems to hate ROTJ now.
I love Return of the Jedi, but of the six it has about the worst critical reception. At least going by metacritic scores it is tied with The Phantom Menace for lowest scoring Star Wars film. Revenge of the Sith came in considerably higher. Because of the mixed views when the film was first release, even The Empire Strikes Back has a surprisingly low score.
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I personally believe critics are arseholes.
What I (me) like is all that matters.
And I LOVED ROTJ. It is my favoirte. The hokey finality of the wrap up at the end. All of it.
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So we're gonna rank them here?
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi/Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
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The end of the movie is shot so that Anakin and Padme die at the same time, while Vader and the twins are born at the same time.
The end of the movie is shot to be ridiculous.
I haven't seen it in a long time (due to thinking the film was ridiculous and not wanting to watch it again), but I certainly don't remember Anakin actually dying. And "metaphorically" dying is just not a valid option here, since I was discussing your theory tying in Padme's literal death to a heretofore unproclaimed symbiotic relationship with Anakin and his metaphorical death. I mean, come on.
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ESB
ANH
ROTJ
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
Yeah, I think that sums it up.
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The end of the movie is shot so that Anakin and Padme die at the same time, while Vader and the twins are born at the same time.
The end of the movie is shot to be ridiculous.
I haven't seen it in a long time (due to thinking the film was ridiculous and not wanting to watch it again), but I certainly don't remember Anakin actually dying. And "metaphorically" dying is just not a valid option here, since I was discussing your theory tying in Padme's literal death to a heretofore unproclaimed symbiotic relationship with Anakin and his metaphorical death. I mean, come on.
Sure it is. You just choose not to see it.
And yes, while his death is metaphor, both Luke and Obi-Wan state that Anakin is dead despite knowing he is literally still alive as Vader.
I personally believe critics are arseholes.
What I (me) like is all that matters.
And I LOVED ROTJ. It is my favoirte. The hokey finality of the wrap up at the end. All of it.
I agree to a point. I've taken too many film criticism courses to discount professional opinion entirely, but there are many times when I do disagree with them as a whole. Most of the time I trust critical reviews of movies more than I trust public opinion.
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To this day I don't exactly know what Padme died of.
A broken heart. ::)
And, I know there's a lot of stuff to hate in the prequels, but shoehorning a Jesus allegory of immaculate conception into the Darth Vader back story is pretty high up there.
<nitpick> "Virgin birth", not Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception was Mary (she was born without sin), not Jesus. </nitpick>
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From a fairly objective standpoint since I didn't grow up to any of the Star Wars movies:
1. Revenge of the Sith (8.5/10 - Great)
2. The Empire Strikes Back (7.9/10 - Good)
3. Return of the Jedi (7.4/10 - Good)
4. Attack of the Clones (6.9/10 - Okay)
5. A New Hope (6.3/10 - Okay) This one is got here on pure 'classic'-points. This is a boring ass movie.
6. The Phantom Menace (5.6/10 - Mediocre) And this one is this "high" only because they sometimes briefly talk about the stuff that are actually interesting and important to the story. Otherwise I absolutely hates most of it.
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ESB
ANH
ROTJ
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
Yeah, I think that sums it up.
That's pretty much how I feel about it.
Love ANH and ESB. I love 75% of ROTJ, except for pretty much everything that took place on Endor. (except for the "it is... too late for me" conversation) that was tight.
And honestly, I haven't watched any of the prequels since 2005.
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Yeah, everything involving Vader in ROTJ is pure gold.
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I only ever watch the prequels for the action sequences. They're good in all of them. Everything in between is shite... in all of them. Especially all of them.
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I personally believe critics are arseholes.
What I (me) like is all that matters.
And I LOVED ROTJ. It is my favoirte. The hokey finality of the wrap up at the end. All of it.
ROTJ is my fave also. Watching Luke kick Vader's ass on the big screen in 1983 still ranks as my #1 movie moment of all time.
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I won't put my ranks up because I would be shot
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What puts ROTJ ahead of the PT is the brilliant ending. The ads before it's release all questioned whether Luke would turn. In the last half of the movie, he wore all black....referring to the dark side. But then, following his defeat of Vader, the lapel of his shirt is loose, revealing white underneath. When he is near the shuttle with Vader and you, the viewer, know he is not turning...that is when you see the white shirt. It's very subtle, but I'm certain it was intentional, and I think that is just brilliant.
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I only ever watch the prequels for the action sequences. They're good in all of them. Everything in between is shite... in all of them. Especially all of them.
Sans the Count Dooku and Anakin lightsaber battle in AOTC. That was a terribly shot sequence
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No doubt. The fact that they had to shoot it that way, with red glowing light in Christopher Lee's close ups, is just more proof of bad writing. Write the part for the actor or hire the actor for the part.
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I only ever watch the prequels for the action sequences. They're good in all of them. Everything in between is shite... in all of them. Especially all of them.
Sans the Count Dooku and Anakin lightsaber battle in AOTC. That was a terribly shot sequence
Agreed, because I wouldn't even call it an action sequence. You can't even call it a lightsaber duel. It was mostly just closeups on Christiansen and Lee with red/blue/green lighting and lightsaber sound effects.
Edit - ninja'd
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I won't put my ranks up because I would be shot
Don't worry, I get it all the time. :biggrin:
I proudly and openly love all the (live action) Star Wars films. :metal
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Sure it is. You just choose not to see it.
So - let me get this straight - Padme DIED because Anakin "died."
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I just want to know what kind of far away galaxy they live in where they can surgically attach a bionic hand but can't take away the excruciating pain of childbirth. So many examples of poor writing in the prequels.
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I just want to know what kind of far away galaxy they live in where they can surgically attach a bionic hand but can't take away the excruciating pain of childbirth. So many examples of poor writing in the prequels.
And related to that, the bionic hand itself was COMPLETELY fake and unbelievable. I mean, come on! It didn't even make that Steve Austin sound (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJ2ZjYlY38)!
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Edit: Oops
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I think Return of the Jedi is my favorite as well.
ROTJ
ESB
ANH
ROTS
AOTC
TPM
-J
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Pretty cool video about Geno Smith's upbringing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWC8HWKECaQ
...And, there's the real reason he switched agents after the draft. I don't think his previous agent could offer such a nice PR piece like that.
I don't think he was in Star Wars.
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Pretty cool video about Geno Smith's upbringing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWC8HWKECaQ
...And, there's the real reason he switched agents after the draft. I don't think his previous agent could offer such a nice PR piece like that.
I don't think he was in Star Wars.
I have *no idea* how that got in here.
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The sad thing is, if Geno was in the prequels, I don't think he could have made them worse. Or maybe the saddest thing is that even if Sanchez was in the prequels, I don't think he could have made them worse.
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The sad thing is, if Geno was in the prequels, I don't think he could have made them worse. Or maybe the saddest thing is that even if Sanchez was in the prequels, I don't think he could have made them worse.
Geno-coaster would have made every even number movie good and every odd number movie suck.
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Sure it is. You just choose not to see it.
So - let me get this straight - Padme DIED because Anakin "died."
Maybe. I think there are a few ways to look at it.
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Sure it is. You just choose not to see it.
So - let me get this straight - Padme DIED because Anakin "died."
Maybe. I think there are a few ways to look at it.
I don't.
But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
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Sure it is. You just choose not to see it.
So - let me get this straight - Padme DIED because Anakin "died."
Maybe. I think there are a few ways to look at it.
I don't.
Doesn't matter. :biggrin:
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_small/7/72524/2363074-good-good-let-the-butthurt-flow-through-you.jpg)
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She died from her heart being broken which is great way to die.
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It's not butthurt at all. It's a criticism of bad writing. It's his story, he can screw it up however he wants.
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Ok.
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I can see how you can look at the way the end of ROTS is shot with Padme and Anakin and not think you're supposed to make the connection that they're both dying, one a literal death and one a metaphorical one.
Be in another room when that scene happens, because it's bloody OBVIOUS that's the intent. Padme has her last breath as Vader takes his first artificially induced one. You're practically being clubbed over the head with it. Is it silly that she dies essentially in childbirth in a society that's conquered FTL travel and communications and has artificial intelligences all over the place? Sure. But it's kind of obvious the conclusion we're meant to draw there. If anything, it's TOO obvious.
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I can see how you can look at the way the end of ROTS is shot with Padme and Anakin and not think you're supposed to make the connection that they're both dying, one a literal death and one a metaphorical one.
Be in another room when that scene happens, because it's bloody OBVIOUS that's the intent. Padme has her last breath as Vader takes his first artificially induced one. You're practically being clubbed over the head with it. Is it silly that she dies essentially in childbirth in a society that's conquered FTL travel and communications and has artificial intelligences all over the place? Sure. But it's kind of obvious the conclusion we're meant to draw there. If anything, it's TOO obvious.
This would be fine if we actually cared about their relationship. There's a lot of blunt symbolism in movies that people love because they care about what's happening. In Episode IV, there's the scene early where Luke is looking at the twin sunset longingly while the hero music plays. The movie is practically screaming LUKE IS DESTINED FOR GREATER THINGS AND DESPERATELY WANTS TO REALIZE THAT DESTINY. But it's an iconic scene because you care about him already.
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I can see how you can look at the way the end of ROTS is shot with Padme and Anakin and not think you're supposed to make the connection that they're both dying, one a literal death and one a metaphorical one.
Be in another room when that scene happens, because it's bloody OBVIOUS that's the intent. Padme has her last breath as Vader takes his first artificially induced one. You're practically being clubbed over the head with it. Is it silly that she dies essentially in childbirth in a society that's conquered FTL travel and communications and has artificial intelligences all over the place? Sure. But it's kind of obvious the conclusion we're meant to draw there. If anything, it's TOO obvious.
This would be fine if we actually cared about their relationship. There's a lot of blunt symbolism in movies that people love because they care about what's happening. In Episode IV, there's the scene early where Luke is looking at the twin sunset longingly while the hero music plays. The movie is practically screaming LUKE IS DESTINED FOR GREATER THINGS AND DESPERATELY WANTS TO REALIZE THAT DESTINY. But it's an iconic scene because you care about him already.
This, completely.
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Nah, he's just checking out a cool double sunset.
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Nah, he's just checking out a cool double sunset.
I bet he's holding a blunt, we just don't get to see it.
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I'm really digging the fact that as soon as someone else agrees with my perception of the film the response is "but it doesn't matter because I don't care". :lol
I'm not here to change anyone's mind about the quality of the film, but many enjoy it, and believe it or not, the film as a whole, and especially the ending, got a lot of love from film and art critics. So all that I ask is that we stop acting as though it is objectively poor. The lowest form of film "criticism" is an attempt to rob someone else of their enjoyment of a movie.
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By all means, enjoy it.
And I am certainly not saying that those things aren't juxtaposed in the edit of the film, to tie together the importance of the various things.
But the insistence on a symbiotic relationship, and that there is an actual cause/effect relationship in the fabric of the actual plot of the film. . . I just don't see it.
But me not seeing it should have no impact on your enjoyment of the film.
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Agreed. Nor does it.
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Nah, he's just checking out a cool double sunset.
I bet he's holding a blunt, we just don't get to see it.
:omg:
:hat
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I'm not here to change anyone's mind about the quality of the film, but many enjoy it, and believe it or not, the film as a whole, and especially the ending, got a lot of love from film and art critics.
Are you serious? The 'Nooooooooo!' part is panned nearly every place I see it. Lauding the ending to ROTS is like congratulating Lucas for finishing a Highlights connect-the-dots. It really wasn't anything unique, compelling or worthwhile.
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I'm not here to change anyone's mind about the quality of the film, but many enjoy it, and believe it or not, the film as a whole, and especially the ending, got a lot of love from film and art critics.
Are you serious? The 'Nooooooooo!' part is panned nearly every place I see it. Lauding the ending to ROTS is like congratulating Lucas for finishing a Highlights connect-the-dots. It really wasn't anything unique, compelling or worthwhile.
Of course I'm serious. By any critical measure we have access to (film sites), the film got high marks. And one art critic recently went as far as to say that the final half hour is the greatest single piece of art (not just film) in the past thirty years. I'm not necessarily saying I agree, but still, the point remains that most of the negativity stems from Internet discussion and things like that, not from professional criticism or even general viewership. I remember a few years back the forum did a poll rating each of the six films and they all did pretty well - the low point being The Phantom Menace, which hovered around a 6/10 and the high point being Empire which did nearly perfect. Yet, as the story goes, you would never know that just by reading the posts.
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...but still, the point remains that most of the negativity stems from Internet discussion and things like that, not from professional criticism or even general viewership.
I'm not sure where you get that from, but that does NOT seem to be the case at all. At best, I think you can say that opinions among both professional critics and general viewership vary wildly. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a LOT of negativity out there about the prequels.
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With the anticipation brought about by 16 years of waiting, I think the PT failed miserably.
The crux of the entire PT was laid out in one 5 minute scene in A New Hope. It's not like there was a whole laundry list of requirements that had to be met:
Anakin was Obi-Wan's student. He was the best starpilot in the galaxy. He was a cunning warrior and a good friend. He followed Obi Wan on some damn idealistic crusade....
Except for the seduced by the dark side part and the droids belonging to Captain Antillies, there wasn't a whole lot more that needed to be a part of the PT. Rather than try to develop on these themes throughout the 3 movies, Lucas shoehorned them into ROTS. Yeah, we saw the pod race...little Anakin can fly, but it came across as forced. We never needed to see Han Solo smuggling; we could tell he was that way just from Ford's performance....and that is where the PT ultimately failed IMO.
I still have hope for the next trilogy.
And by the way.....the script is officially complete.
Any thoughts or hopes for the title of Episode VII??
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Any thoughts or hopes for the title of Episode VII??
A new hope.
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Any thoughts or hopes for the title of Episode VII??
A new hope.
An Even More Newer Hope
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Any thoughts or hopes for the title of Episode VII??
A new hope.
An Even More Newer Hope
A new and improved hope!
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Episode VII:None More Black
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And one art critic recently went as far as to say that the final half hour is the greatest single piece of art (not just film) in the past thirty years.
I need to see this in print. Not that I don't believe you, I'm just really curious about their reasoning.
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And one art critic recently went as far as to say that the final half hour is the greatest single piece of art (not just film) in the past thirty years.
I need to see this in print. Not that I don't believe you, I'm just really curious about their reasoning.
And probably because you want to know which articles to never spend your time reading.
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The more you know.
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...but still, the point remains that most of the negativity stems from Internet discussion and things like that, not from professional criticism or even general viewership.
I'm not sure where you get that from, but that does NOT seem to be the case at all. At best, I think you can say that opinions among both professional critics and general viewership vary wildly. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a LOT of negativity out there about the prequels.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I would change your "at best", to "at worst". As far as where I get it from, as I mentioned before, film sites, dvd and blu ray sales, box office performance (even for the 3D re-release is one of the more successful ones, and tied Jurassic Parks re-release numbers despite the blu-ray coming out just a few months earlier), tv ratings, etc. I'm not a huge fan of rotten tomatoes, but they fared pretty well on there (compared to what one may think). I prefer metacritic overall, where they were given harsher scores, but as far as the lowest scoring Star Wars title, it is actually a tie between The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi. Audible gasp? Maybe.
And one art critic recently went as far as to say that the final half hour is the greatest single piece of art (not just film) in the past thirty years.
I need to see this in print. Not that I don't believe you, I'm just really curious about their reasoning.
It's from a book. https://www.amazon.com/Glittering-Images-Journey-Through-Egypt/dp/0375424601/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390263484&sr=8-1&keywords=camille+paglia+george+lucas
If you get the time, she talks about it later in this video I found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBaahsD9qIA
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God, she talks like a squirrel on meth. :lol
Barelystoppingtopausebetweenwordsandgoingonandonandon.
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At the 8:30 mark is when she talks about SW. In a sense, I can somewhat see her point; she doesn't necessarily have all the baggage that the lifelong fans have. So, she might not notice the intricate little things that grind our gears.
I still don't agree with her though.
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Just read a rumor on Ain't it Cool that Judi Dench could be playing Mon Mothma. Very interesting if true.
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Just read a rumor on Ain't it Cool that Judi Dench could be playing Mon Mothma. Very interesting if true.
That would be some quality casting.
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It would, though she seems like a big name for such a small part (making assumptions of course). I avoid AICN like the plague anymore.
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AICN is miserably behind a lot of the time, but old habits die hard. The point about Dench playing a smaller role is somewhat of an assumption, though it's likely accurate, since we don't know the direction of the new movies. Peter Cushing had a relatively minor role, but the weight of his performance made the character stand out. Dench definitely has the chops to make even a cameo seem like an event.
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Right. I'm really only basing this on the fact that Mon Mothma was only in one scene so far, not counting the two that got cut from Episode III.
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Oh my, what could that be in the background? :biggrin:
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Lava lamp, they've been around for awhile.
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"...and the last thing going through Han's mind, right before he's frozen, possibly forever, is Leia, in that white top..."
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"I really like when two strippers are standing together and I grab one breast of each, like this, so I can imagine it's actually one really wide chick"
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:lol
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Oh my, what could that be in the background? :biggrin:
Forgive me since I don't know. It looks like Kathleen Kennedy, and maybe John Knoll on the right, but I don't know who the guy in the center with the glasses is. That's not Abrams. What is this picture of?
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Abrahms is the back of the head we see there. You're right, Kennedy and Knoll are there. The others are Rick Carter (production designer, "boob hands"), Jason McGatlin, and Kim Libreri.
It's a picture of a roundtable. Apparently I'm the only one excited about the new pictures of the Millennium Falcon in the background. There are shots from the other movies though as well, Empire and Clones.
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What I would give to be a fly on the wall in that room.
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I'm a fly on one of the Ep VII walls, and it is fascinating and an honor.
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The guy in the red shirt thinks either: I'll think I have pizza for lunch today or heavily imagine Princess Leia in a skirt....only a skirt.
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:lol Yeah, he's definitely not as focused on the discussion as the others.
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"Did I leave the iron on?"
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Apparently I'm the only one excited about the new pictures of the Millennium Falcon in the background. There are shots from the other movies though as well, Empire and Clones.
Actually I wasn't looking that closely. Now that you've pointed that out, it is cool.
Call me skeptical though. I love some of JJ's work on TV (mostly the first two seasons of Alias), but I don't think his Star Treks have been remarkable. I feel like they've been mishmashed and feel rushed and unemotional. They do have about the right amount of humor though.
I'm worried all the elements will be there, but somehow it will feel lacking. I guess having Kasdan co-write the screenplay is a huge plus.
Now, when the first trailer comes out, I'll be reduced to a pile of drooling mush.
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I'm worried all the elements will be there, but somehow it will feel lacking.
That's essentially how I feel about the new Trek films.
Have not been following this at all, which is strange coming from a die hard SW fam like myself. Did not even know Kasdan was working on script. Cool. Like you, I imagine once a trailer is released and the hype ball really begins to roll, I will be pumped.
I never watched any of Abrams' TV work, so my wonderment at those who worship at his alter is colored by my ignorance of his filmography.
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Fringe is amazing, and I love Lost (though I think he didn't actually have much to do with that?), but I can't say anything about the rest of his TV work.
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Apparently I'm the only one excited about the new pictures of the Millennium Falcon in the background. There are shots from the other movies though as well, Empire and Clones.
Actually I wasn't looking that closely. Now that you've pointed that out, it is cool.
Call me skeptical though. I love some of JJ's work on TV (mostly the first two seasons of Alias), but I don't think his Star Treks have been remarkable. I feel like they've been mishmashed and feel rushed and unemotional. They do have about the right amount of humor though.
I'm worried all the elements will be there, but somehow it will feel lacking. I guess having Kasdan co-write the screenplay is a huge plus.
Now, when the first trailer comes out, I'll be reduced to a pile of drooling mush.
Yeah, JJ is a mixed bag for me. I'm sure he will release a film with fewer obvious flaws than the prequels, but I would be surprised if I like it as much, or have as much going for it beneath the surface. Personally my biggest gripe so far is that I don't see any relevance in doing anything that takes place after Return of the Jedi. That's pretty much where the line is drawn and all story lines are tied together. Anything beyond that seems like "the continued adventures of (insert nonsense here)". All the villains are dead, and no I don't care about unnamed and unmentioned Imperial soldiers. Bringing back the Sith would be lame and null the ending of Return of the Jedi (Vader's sacrifice). But then you can't have Star Wars without lightsaber battles. Could some other faction unrelated to those two pose a realistic threat to the New Republic? There are a lot of issues there for me that I hope get a reasonable answer.
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I wonder if the sudden realization and pressure has smacked JJ like a ton of bricks yet. Just laying in bed one night and all of a sudden: "Holy fuck. I'm doing Star Wars."
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Good points
Good points made here. Also important will be characterization. What happens to the characters is only as important as how we feel about them. The stories for Eps 1-3 were not well written, because the characters were not well-written. The characters in Knights of the Old Republic were more interesting.
I also recall Ford saying (alebit years ago) he didn’t see anywhere to go with the Han Solo character, so never thought he would play him again. Dude doesn’t need the cash or ego boost, so hopefully it was the lure of a good story that changed his mind.
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Can't wait for the new movies!!! I love what JJ did for ST. Also, I'm probably less critical than most of the prequels. I loved II-III.
My rankings.....
1. A New Hope - Saw it in '77 at the age of 13 in the theaters.... while now it's not my fav, I appreciate how spectacular and innovative it was at the time.
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Attack of the Clones
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Phantom Menace
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I ordered this book: https://www.amazon.com/The-Star-Wars-Heresies-Interpreting/dp/0786471816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393461948&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+heresies
and I really dig it. Very insightful.
In bigger news, it looks like the Episode VII villain has been cast. Adam Driver. It's not "official" yet, but Variety is reporting it so it's pretty much in the bank.
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Can't wait for the new movies!!! I love what JJ did for ST. Also, I'm probably less critical than most of the prequels. I loved II-III.
My rankings.....
1. A New Hope - Saw it in '77 at the age of 13 in the theaters.... while now it's not my fav, I appreciate how spectacular and innovative it was at the time.
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Attack of the Clones
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Phantom Menace
what is this I cant even
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In bigger news, it looks like the Episode VII villain has been cast. Adam Driver. It's not "official" yet, but Variety is reporting it so it's pretty much in the bank.
He looks like he'll make quite a good villain just based on his appearance I think. I looked for some clips on Youtube as well, and he seems like a good fit for a villain role. This is positive news to me!
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In bigger news, it looks like the Episode VII villain has been cast. Adam Driver. It's not "official" yet, but Variety is reporting it so it's pretty much in the bank.
I'm assuming, based upon his role in Girls, he's going to play Darth Shirtless?
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A million times this.
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I ordered this book: https://www.amazon.com/The-Star-Wars-Heresies-Interpreting/dp/0786471816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393461948&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+heresies
I read the description. Hilarious seeing the prequels associated with terms like "analytical," "worthy of scholarly study," and "human drama." :rollin I guess this guy didn't actually see the films.
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I ordered this book: https://www.amazon.com/The-Star-Wars-Heresies-Interpreting/dp/0786471816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393461948&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+heresies
I read the description. Hilarious seeing the prequels associated with terms like "analytical," "worthy of scholarly study," and "human drama." :rollin I guess this guy didn't actually see the films.
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal? :lol
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I'm all for this - but...Attack Of The Clones better than Empire Strikes Back...
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So what? Still trying to figure out why someone having a differing opinion is so grating to some people. I like Empire more too, but who cares.
I saved part of a discussion on AICN of all places, where there is a bunch of nonsense, but every once in a while a beacon of hope. This is one of those:
"Because if a person loves something I hate, at least he is looking to add to his life. If he hates something I love, it's as if he is incapable of understanding how it brings me joy. That's like a roadblock between the two of us. I'd venture that's why some people are reacting so harshly to VM in this thread. The way he's responding is not just to say he didn't enjoy the film. It's to say enjoyment of the film shouldn't be possible. That statement is normative and hurtful to people who deviate from its norms"
Which was in response to one of the previously mentioned piles of nonsense, which is the mindset of many forum-goers:
"The film doesn't deserve to have anyone like it, that's the problem. It was an objectively lazy, shoddily created film that doesn't deserve anyone's praise or admiration. Film (and art in general) have objective, qualitative measures, as you know. The subjective nature of art you hear thrown around all the time is just silly, naive, nonsensical fuckpoop. The subjectivity lies in the individual's mind, not the art itself. Anywho, this film, objectively, does not pass the most generous of tests. That is why I hate it and hate the people who "enjoy" it. They are wrong. Plain and simple. And that's OK. For I am hear to educate : ) I feel compelled to correct them. I am one of the Enlightened Ones. I simply want to pass on my knowledge and expertise. Like a kid who keeps failing the same test over and over again. He's struggling. Thus, I feel bad for the little chap and I want to help him out. I'm the professor who comes in and tries to assist, give him pointers and such, so that one day, he may pass the test on his own. One day, I will teach everyone to view film the RIGHT WAY and all the stupidity and poor taste will be cleansed from the earth.
It's all for the greater good, man : )"
And no, the poster was not being sarcastic. Kudos if you can guess the film they were discussing.
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Len Wiseman's Total Recall remake ?
Zack Snyder's Watchmen ?
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What do you mean ?
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Len Wiseman's Total Recall remake ?
Zack Snyder's Watchmen ?
X-Men: First Class
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I ordered this book: https://www.amazon.com/The-Star-Wars-Heresies-Interpreting/dp/0786471816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393461948&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+heresies
I read the description. Hilarious seeing the prequels associated with terms like "analytical," "worthy of scholarly study," and "human drama." :rollin I guess this guy didn't actually see the films.
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal? :lol
Probably not, considering how many of us agree.
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You guys make it so hard to find a middle ground. I'm sorry you couldn't find enjoyment in it.
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Everyone has their opinions, likes and dislikes. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that pretty much everyone on the "Majority view" side of this, has a "Minority view" on something else in their lives. I'm sure they feel as justified in that view, as we do with ours on SW's. Some of the arguments from the "Majority" kind of puzzle me. I hear how bad the script writing and acting is in the prequels. I mean...really? The acting and writing in the original trilogy was better? Or how the CGI is just over the top. Well, when the originals came out, cutting edge special effects of that time period were used also. Some folks probably thought it was too much at that time too. We can argue back and forth...it's like politics, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. I enjoyed them ALL, and I'll probably enjoy the next 3 :biggrin:
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If there's anything The Star Wars comics have taught me, it's that execution is important, but no amount of executive genius can substitute for a good story.
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If there's anything The Star Wars comics have taught me, it's that execution is important, but no amount of executive genius can substitute for a good story.
I agree. I think all the movies were good stories. Great stories? Not really, IMHO. In comparison I think SW's books, including episodes 4-6, are lacking when put next to other Science Fiction works. As far as the movies? I enjoy them all because they're entertaining. Funny.... on the flip side, some of the greatest books in Sci-Fi like "Dune", and "I, Robot" weren't done as well on the big screen as I would have thought. When I look at it from that perspective, I really can't complain too much about the SW movies.
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That's because Star Wars was a movie first. Dune and I, Robot were books first. The real outlier is TLOR trilogy where Peter Jackson took good althrough arguably exhausting material and transformed it into an incredibly well made epic action saga.
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That's because Star Wars was a movie first. Dune and I, Robot were books first.
Agreed. When a movie is based off a book, the book is almost always better, but when a book is based off a movie, usually the movie is better. That's because there are just certain elements of writing that you can't capture in a film, and vice versa. LOTR is probably one of the best adaptations out there, but it still doesn't touch greatness of the book (maybe because a certain character is missing :lol )
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That's because Star Wars was a movie first. Dune and I, Robot were books first. The real outlier is TLOR trilogy where Peter Jackson took good althrough arguably exhausting material and transformed it into an incredibly well made epic action saga.
Good point, I didn't think about that fact about the 6 movie stories being originally films before they were books. It does make a difference.
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That's because Star Wars was a movie first. Dune and I, Robot were books first.
Agreed. When a movie is based off a book, the book is almost always better, but when a book is based off a movie, usually the movie is better. That's because there are just certain elements of writing that you can't capture in a film, and vice versa. LOTR is probably one of the best adaptations out there, but it still doesn't touch greatness of the book (maybe because a certain character is missing :lol )
Erkenbrand?
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If there's anything The Star Wars comics have taught me, it's that execution is important, but no amount of executive genius can substitute for a good story.
I agree. I think all the movies were good stories. Great stories? Not really, IMHO. In comparison I think SW's books, including episodes 4-6, are lacking when put next to other Science Fiction works. As far as the movies? I enjoy them all because they're entertaining. Funny.... on the flip side, some of the greatest books in Sci-Fi like "Dune", and "I, Robot" weren't done as well on the big screen as I would have thought. When I look at it from that perspective, I really can't complain too much about the SW movies.
Funny you should agree with me, because the way The Star Wars comics revealed that to me is by the fact that the Prequel Trilogy is just those original drafts recycled! :lol
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Funny you should agree with me, because the way The Star Wars comics revealed that to me is by the fact that the Prequel Trilogy is just those original drafts recycled! :lol
Not sure what you're talking about? Never read any of the comics. I've read at least 120 of the SW books though. I was agreeing with your statement of "no amount of executive genius can substitute for a good story"
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I'm all for this - but...Attack Of The Clones better than Empire Strikes Back...
How did I miss this?! Kotowboy, that is a hell no!
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I agree ! The worst of the prequels better than the best of the sequels ?
Each to their own and all that :P
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Get a thermometer and check for a fever. Stat. :lol
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I agree ! The worst of the prequels better than the best of the sequels ?
Each to their own and all that :P
Man, I'll take Attack of the Clones over the Phantom Menace any day of the week.
But I'm weird like that. I just hate TPM.
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Funny you should agree with me, because the way The Star Wars comics revealed that to me is by the fact that the Prequel Trilogy is just those original drafts recycled! :lol
Not sure what you're talking about? Never read any of the comics. I've read at least 120 of the SW books though. I was agreeing with your statement of "no amount of executive genius can substitute for a good story"
The recent "The Star Wars" comics are adaptations of George Lucas's original 1974 screenplays, and are essentially OT characters with PT plot events.
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I would really love to see Topher Grace's prequels edit.
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The recent "The Star Wars" comics are adaptations of George Lucas's original 1974 screenplays, and are essentially OT characters with PT plot events.
If these are the drafts of the screenplays I have, they don't really have anything to do with PT plot events.
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Everyone has their opinions, likes and dislikes. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that pretty much everyone on the "Majority view" side of this, has a "Minority view" on something else in their lives. I'm sure they feel as justified in that view, as we do with ours on SW's. Some of the arguments from the "Majority" kind of puzzle me. I hear how bad the script writing and acting is in the prequels. I mean...really? The acting and writing in the original trilogy was better? Or how the CGI is just over the top. Well, when the originals came out, cutting edge special effects of that time period were used also. Some folks probably thought it was too much at that time too. We can argue back and forth...it's like politics, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. I enjoyed them ALL, and I'll probably enjoy the next 3 :biggrin:
This is great.
As far as the comics, "The Star Wars", yeah they are based on original SW drafts. In some cases it is really clear why they were drafts, but there are a couple cool things in there. I don't really see a lot of prequel events in there, really just leftover names from the original SW drafts that didn't get used until the prequels.
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Filming begins in May. Episode VII hits theaters December 18th, 2015.
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Set 30 years after Episode VI.
Also, The Clone Wars featured a Yoda arc with Liam Neeson as the bodiless Qui-Gon Jinn. The Liam Neeson episode was brilliant and helps fill at least some of the void left over from his scene never being shot for Episode III that caused so much misunderstanding among the passive fans.
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Can you elaborate on that a bit? I've never seen The Clone Wars and likely never will. I thought Yoda's near-throwaway line in Episode III about how Qui-Gon had contacted him was kinda cool, but also pretty lame if that was all we were going to get as far as an explanation of how Obi-Wan eventually became a "force ghost" in Episodes IV through VI.
So Qui-Gon figured it out, came back and told Yoda how it works, and Yoda in turn taught Obi-Wan? And that's how Obi-Wan became "more powerful than you could possible imagine"?
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Well, that's close enough considering you are obviously only a "passive fan."
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I do consider myself only somewhere above the level of casual fan. Yes, I've seen all the movies, but couldn't get through any of the TV cartoons and never saw the animated feature. The books? Please.
I thought that Obi-Wan becoming "more powerful than you could possibly imagine" was a huge missed opportunity (it's not like it turned out to make much difference in Episodes V and VI), and had actually forgotten about it until Yoda mentioned it at the end of Episode III. Then I realized that that was it; that was all we were going to get. So I'm curious if there's actually more. Sounds like there isn't.
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Here's the summary of news-
https://badassdigest.com/2014/03/16/this-is-everything-we-officially-know-about-star-wars-episode-vii/
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Well, that's close enough considering you are obviously only a "passive fan."
Give me a break. It wasn't an insult.
Can you elaborate on that a bit? I've never seen The Clone Wars and likely never will. I thought Yoda's near-throwaway line in Episode III about how Qui-Gon had contacted him was kinda cool, but also pretty lame if that was all we were going to get as far as an explanation of how Obi-Wan eventually became a "force ghost" in Episodes IV through VI.
So Qui-Gon figured it out, came back and told Yoda how it works, and Yoda in turn taught Obi-Wan? And that's how Obi-Wan became "more powerful than you could possible imagine"?
Qui-Gon had a voice only scene in Episode III that was tragically never shot. It was in the screeenplay, the book, you name it, but I guess Neeson was not available at the time.
When you see Yoda meditating on Polis Massa when he is interrupted by Bail, this is what is happening. Qui-Gon hasn't taken it to the full ghost stage yet, but he is the first Jedi that has learned to retain consciousness after death (you can hear him briefly in Episode II as well). If you look deep enough to see what is different about Qui-Gon than the rest of the Jedi of this age, you may have pieced this together already, but regardless, Qui-Gon reveals that the Jedi of the time had it wrong.
It is through compassion, the release of self, not the exaltation of self that can give one eternal consciousness. It is what the Sith have always wanted, and this is why they will never have it. Love is the answer to the darkness.
So, in short: compassion, live in the moment, concentrate on the living force. This is passed onto Yoda and Obi-Wan, who take it a step further.
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The unfortunate thing is that that is a fairly good idea, but as with so many other things in the movie, it was grossly mishandled to the point that it almost felt insignificant.
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I love the theme and how it ties everything together, especially Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi. As I said before, it's a tragedy it was never filmed, and now the meaning only exists in subtlety.
The Clone Wars show is VERY hit and miss, but I loved Yoda's final line. Basically it was about achieving victory not for the Clone Wars, but for all time. It makes it even sadder, to me anyway, that they are continuing the films after such a great and all encompassing ending in Episode VI.
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Thanks for that, zepp-head.
(you can hear him briefly in Episode II as well)
Okay, now I have to check this out. What scene and/or time stamp?
The unfortunate thing is that that is a fairly good idea, but as with so many other things in the movie, it was grossly mishandled to the point that it almost felt insignificant.
Agreed. As I said, it was cool that George even remembered to include it, because it was a pretty big unknown to leave completely unaddressed, but when I realized that that was all we were going to get, I was pretty disappointed.
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Thanks for that, zepp-head.
(you can hear him briefly in Episode II as well)
Okay, now I have to check this out. What scene and/or time stamp?
Not sure of the exact time, but it's right after Anakin slaughters the Sand People. Yoda is seen meditating and feeling Anakin's pain. He very quickly here's Qui-Gon shout "Anakin!" and possibly "No!", though it is debated whether the "No" is him or not, since it sounds nothing like him. The "Anakin" appears to be a recycled take from The Phantom Menace.
It isn't much, but Lucas points out that Yoda is confused by this because the Jedi don't yet know they can communicate with the departed.
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Whoa, that's wacky. I'll check it out.
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Slightly off topic but fasten your nerd belt and behold:
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Here's a better seized version: https://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-spaceships-398790051
Pretty damn cool of you ask me! :metal
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Love that pic. In other, somewhat more related news: https://www.starwarsuncut.com/newhope
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Why does my mind keep reading that link as starwarscunt?
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Because you have dsexylia.
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So Lucasfilm made it official today, everything is non-canon except the movies and The Clone Wars series. Glorified fan-fiction is now confirmed fan-fiction, and while I understand while some are upset over it, it had to happen and there were a million reasons for it.
Everything here on out is canon however, including new EU stories.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough. I can understand keeping the 2003-2005 Clone Wars series as canon, but I can't stand the fact that they're still considering the 2008 series canon.
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So Lucasfilm made it official today, everything is non-canon except the movies and The Clone Wars series. Glorified fan-fiction is now confirmed fan-fiction, and while I understand while some are upset over it, it had to happen and there were a million reasons for it.
I couldn't be happier about that. I'm sick of hearing people bitching about things that should be in the new movies from EU, when it all sounds just awful.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
:lol
I wouldn't be surprised if part of the contract with Lucas involved keeping the SE versions around for a little while, or if Disney just don't want to instantly piss him off before even releasing a new movie.
But they couldn't denounce the SE versions just yet anyway, as they unfortunately don't have a good copy of the unedited OT to release.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
:horatio:
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
Amen. Anything post 1983 never happened. And while were at it, lets digitally remove those ewoks too. ;D
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
Amen. Anything post 1983 never happened. And while were at it, lets digitally remove those ewoks too. ;D
Although to be fair, I really didn't think the 1997 edition of ESB was all that bad.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
Amen. Anything post 1983 never happened. And while were at it, lets digitally remove those ewoks too. ;D
Although to be fair, I really didn't think the 1997 edition of ESB was all that bad.
Possibly the only change I actually liked in the Special Editions, was Ian McDermond replacing the original actor (whoever it was) as the Emperor. George wanted more continuity, and that was the only scene where he was probably correct to do so.
Although, the I wish they would have kept the creepy, peeled eye effect. That was really cool...
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It's been a while since I've seen them all, but I recall my biggest gripes being in ANH, most obviously the infamous Greedo shooting first (which has looked progressively more ridiculous with each time they try to make that terrible idea work), and the inclusion of the Han/Jabba scene. I think it was only stuck in the SE for the sake of adding something, but it should have remained as a deleted scene.
There were many nice little changes made to the newer editions of the movie that I have no complaint about, while other changes were just pointless at best. It's mostly the huge in-your-face changes that bother me though.
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When I saw the newer versions of Episodes 4 through 6 I should have known it was a precursor to Lucas worrying about the landscapes instead of the storylines for 1 through 3.
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Honestly, I don't think they retconned enough.
I know. They should've included the Special Editions of the OT as well.
Amen. Anything post 1983 never happened. And while were at it, lets digitally remove those ewoks too. ;D
Although to be fair, I really didn't think the 1997 edition of ESB was all that bad.
Possibly the only change I actually liked in the Special Editions, was Ian McDermond replacing the original actor (whoever it was) as the Emperor. George wanted more continuity, and that was the only scene where he was probably correct to do so.
Although, the I wish they would have kept the creepy, peeled eye effect. That was really cool...
I agree, that was actually a good change. Unfortunately, it seemed as if Ian was half-asleep when he did that scene and the makeup on him was less than stellar. That may seem like nitpicking and it kinda is, but that just goes to show Empire emerged as the least fucked up by Lucas of the special editions. ANH, on the other hand, I can't even watch anymore because of all the pointless or terrible crap that was added in seemingly just because.
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It's been a while since I've seen them all, but I recall my biggest gripes being in ANH, most obviously the infamous Greedo shooting first (which has looked progressively more ridiculous with each time they try to make that terrible idea work), and the inclusion of the Han/Jabba scene. I think it was only stuck in the SE for the sake of adding something, but it should have remained as a deleted scene.
Those are the two that bug me, too. The Greedo scene, not because it "changes history" or anything that the fanboys whine about, but because it changes the fundamental character of Han Solo. Shooting first, before some lame-ass bounty hunter can bring you in, is bad ass. He was a smuggler and a dirtbag and didn't take any shit. That's what made his redemption by the end of the movie mean something.
The Jabba scene was reworked and a lot of the dialog reused; that's what makes including it lame. Now it's just stupid because you hear basically the same conversation twice.
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It's been a while since I've seen them all, but I recall my biggest gripes being in ANH, most obviously the infamous Greedo shooting first (which has looked progressively more ridiculous with each time they try to make that terrible idea work), and the inclusion of the Han/Jabba scene. I think it was only stuck in the SE for the sake of adding something, but it should have remained as a deleted scene.
Those are the two that bug me, too. The Greedo scene, not because it "changes history" or anything that the fanboys whine about, but because it changes the fundamental character of Han Solo. Shooting first, before some lame-ass bounty hunter can bring you in, is bad ass. He was a smuggler and a dirtbag and didn't take any shit. That's what made his redemption by the end of the movie mean something.
Eh, call me a heretic, but I never believed for a second that it said anything about Han Solo either way. Whether Greedo shoots or doesn't, Han had a gun pointed at him the entire time. Any shot he takes is in self defense.
And leave it to an Internet forum to turn the EU news into yet another opportunity to voice disgruntled opinions on special editions and prequels. That totally wasn't already old 15 years ago. :lol
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It's been a while since I've seen them all, but I recall my biggest gripes being in ANH, most obviously the infamous Greedo shooting first (which has looked progressively more ridiculous with each time they try to make that terrible idea work), and the inclusion of the Han/Jabba scene. I think it was only stuck in the SE for the sake of adding something, but it should have remained as a deleted scene.
Those are the two that bug me, too. The Greedo scene, not because it "changes history" or anything that the fanboys whine about, but because it changes the fundamental character of Han Solo. Shooting first, before some lame-ass bounty hunter can bring you in, is bad ass. He was a smuggler and a dirtbag and didn't take any shit. That's what made his redemption by the end of the movie mean something.
The Jabba scene was reworked and a lot of the dialog reused; that's what makes including it lame. Now it's just stupid because you hear basically the same conversation twice.
The Greedo scene is especially bad because of awful and fake the whole thing looks. Greedo misses from like three feet away and Han is just sitting there? What the hell is that?
The rerelease on dvd tried to fix it but now it just looks like Han has a seizure and Greedo misses... somehow. I'm torn on which version looks worse.
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Ha ha, I guess I forgot the most important point. It just plain looks bad! Re-edited, and very poorly. Should have left it alone.
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It's been a while since I've seen them all, but I recall my biggest gripes being in ANH, most obviously the infamous Greedo shooting first (which has looked progressively more ridiculous with each time they try to make that terrible idea work), and the inclusion of the Han/Jabba scene. I think it was only stuck in the SE for the sake of adding something, but it should have remained as a deleted scene.
Those are the two that bug me, too. The Greedo scene, not because it "changes history" or anything that the fanboys whine about, but because it changes the fundamental character of Han Solo. Shooting first, before some lame-ass bounty hunter can bring you in, is bad ass. He was a smuggler and a dirtbag and didn't take any shit. That's what made his redemption by the end of the movie mean something.
The Jabba scene was reworked and a lot of the dialog reused; that's what makes including it lame. Now it's just stupid because you hear basically the same conversation twice.
The Greedo scene is especially bad because of awful and fake the whole thing looks. Greedo misses from like three feet away and Han is just sitting there? What the hell is that?
The rerelease on dvd tried to fix it but now it just looks like Han has a seizure and Greedo misses... somehow. I'm torn on which version looks worse.
I remember reading beforehand about how they'd fixed it up on the DVD release so it looked more believable, and then I watched it, and it looked like some guy just cut Han out in Photoshop and rotated him to the side slightly. It looks laughable.
The scene was filmed with Han shooting first. There's only so much you can do with that footage once it's done, regardless of what revisionist ideas you get 20 years later.
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So I guess Boba Fett never made it out of the Sarlacc Pit after all.
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Well, if they want to use him I'm sure they can dig him out of the pit, but right now there is no reason to assume he is alive. Chewie on the other hand :)
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I thought the Sarlacc slowly digested its prey over 1000 years. That means he's still alive.
Well, discounting the fact that most creatures don't live 1000 years even if they weren't being digested.
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Star Wars Weekends at Disney's Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World is coming up! Mark Hamill is going to be there for a weekend, and supposedly Disney company chairman Bob Iger and Parks chairman Tom Staggs. I wonder if a title or casting news will be presented on opening day! That, or maybe the rumored Star Wars land for that theme park? The arrival of Mark Hamill on opening weekend is going to be huge. I'm supposed to flown out there for a commercial shoot and a press event. It'll be nice to go home, even if it's just for work.
Here's a video my department made a few years ago. I think you guys will get a kick out it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtw33b9TCfU&feature=share
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I thought the Sarlacc slowly digested its prey over 1000 years. That means he's still alive.
I don't see why that means they would stay alive the whole time.
But as I said, if they want to use him in future episodes I'm sure they will find a way. Regardless, one of the spinoff films has been unofficially confirmed to be about Fett, so it's really just a matter of where that takes place in the timeline.
It's just now starting to sink in just how many poor ideas and arcs are now out of the way. The Force Unleashed, Sith ghosts, ysalimiri, Yuuzhan vong, the Darth Plagueis stories, etc. It's pretty refreshing, to me anyway.
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Even though I do like Boba Fett, Cracked kinda got it right about him. He's not that special.
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He didn't even do anything in the movie. I mean, he follows Solo and tracks him. On screen? He does even less. I don't get it.
I mean don't get me wrong. He looks awesome. But it's not even an exaggeration when I say he didn't do anything in the movies.
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I thought the Sarlacc slowly digested its prey over 1000 years. That means he's still alive.
I don't see why that means they would stay alive the whole time.
Wait... so you intentionally excise what I said next, which clarifies that I was being sarcastic, then offer a serious response?
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I can't really say I am either shocked or sad at the demise of the EU as semi-canon, since I've more than once called for its utter junking. It was way overdue for a pruning anyway, especially since it kept books that were wildly at odds to the continuity of the prequels (MY GOD, THRAWN CAN CLONE STORMTROOPERS! THE EMPIRE HAS CLONES! Fancy that!) and the EU had become trapped in long term, multi-author, galaxy shaking arcs that kept being pale retards of Rebels vs. Evil Authority The EU, to me, was at its best with one and done books that could be set between movies or even, as Brian Daley's Han Solo books proved, before the movies. Trying to tell the story after ROTJ, with dozens of writers and editors AND working against the fact that Lucas never considered them canon had made them a fruitless endeavor.
From what I read, the books are now being made under the auspices of an editorial committee, which on the one hand kind of scares me on a creative level, but hopefully means that SOMEONE is in contact with the movie makers as to what is and what isn't continuity. And I hope we're done with eight book epics that always end with the Jedi and the old Rebel Alliance fighting some sort of authority.
Plus, yeah, Chewbacca didn't get a moon dropped on him, fuck yeah.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the cast of Star Wars Episode VII:
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Source (https://www.facebook.com/lucasfilm?fref=nf)
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lol even R2 is at that meeting
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Damn Dude, you were fast on reposting that. :lol
I think the starwars.com page is being hammered right about now. :lol
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Damn Dude, you were fast on reposting that. :lol
I think the starwars.com page is being hammered right about now. :lol
Yeah must be, because I can't even get on it!
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Damn Dude, you were fast on reposting that. :lol
I think the starwars.com page is being hammered right about now. :lol
Yeah must be, because I can't even get on it!
It eventually loaded for me, but it took a while!
The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.
Director J.J. Abrams says, "We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII. It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."
Star Wars: Episode VII is being directed by J.J. Abrams from a screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan and Abrams. Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Bryan Burk are producing, and John Williams returns as the composer. The movie opens worldwide on December 18, 2015.
I believe this is the first official announcement of the original cast's involvement. The worst kept secret ever. :lol
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Andy Serkis! :metal
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I hope Andy Serkis plays Jar Jar Binx's grandson!
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:caffeine:
I cannot wait!
And with Panda's line of work... we will probably get to go to a press screening :corn
OR MAYBE THE PREMIER!??!!??!
Probably a screening...
WOOO
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The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.
Director J.J. Abrams says, "We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII. It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."
Star Wars: Episode VII is being directed by J.J. Abrams from a screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan and Abrams. Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Bryan Burk are producing, and John Williams returns as the composer. The movie opens worldwide on December 18, 2015.
I believe this is the first official announcement of the original cast's involvement. The worst kept secret ever. :lol
To be fair, that's because Carrie Fisher blabbed at the first opportunity she got. I'm sure Disney actually had all of them under a confidentiality agreement or whatever you call it, but she's a wacko and what are they gonna do, find someone else to be older Leia?
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The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.
Director J.J. Abrams says, "We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII. It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."
Star Wars: Episode VII is being directed by J.J. Abrams from a screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan and Abrams. Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Bryan Burk are producing, and John Williams returns as the composer. The movie opens worldwide on December 18, 2015.
I believe this is the first official announcement of the original cast's involvement. The worst kept secret ever. :lol
To be fair, that's because Carrie Fisher blabbed at the first opportunity she got. I'm sure they actually had all of them under a confidentiality agreement or whatever you call it, but she's a wacko and what are they gonna do, find someone else to be older Leia?
George Lucas also confirmed it from what I recall. Even if she hadn't said anything, it was blindingly obvious at this point that they were all returning. Nutjob or not, I think having the original Leia is worth putting up with it for them. :lol
I don't know a lot of the new cast, so I don't have any thoughts on them. But I like that they've gone with less known people than the prequels did.
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Adam Driver was speculated a while back to have been the villain, and his inclusion in this list makes it a little more likely.
God, I don't know if having this cast list makes me feel better about the wait or more anxious for 2015 to hurry the fuck up and get here already. :lol
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Yep, I remember seeing his name come up at that time. A couple of the other people also look familiar from earlier casting rumours.
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So - who can name everyone in that picture ?
I know Abrams - Ford - Fisher - Serkis - Hamill.
I know the names of the others but couldn't put the name to the face - like Anthony Daniels and Peter Mayhew..
And predictions !!! This film is *obviously* going to be HUGE - does anyone think it will topple
• Avatar
• Titanic
• The Avengers
Bearing in mind that The Phantom Menace made close to $1bn on it's initial run. Will the interest in this one be higher or lower due to Abrams involvement ?
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I can additionally pick out Mayhew (far right reading what I guess might be the script). Then the guy just to JJ's right I'm guessing is Daniels.
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I think it could top the likes of Avatar or Titanic, though it'll need to be a quality entry in the Star Wars lore to give it that extra push to top such films financially.
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I can't see it making three billion dollars myself.
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I can. Easily. Star Wars fans are fanatical. Add to that the fact that many of them have 2 generations of offspring that are also fans. And then you have the general moviegoing public that will line up to see any blockbuster or movie that looks like it could be mildly entertaining, and you've got a formula for easily cracking that mark.
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I can additionally pick out Mayhew (far right reading what I guess might be the script). Then the guy just to JJ's right I'm guessing is Daniels.
I think Daniels is in the lower left, with his back to us. He's skinny and has light gray hair (and kinda looks like C3PO, even when he's not in the suit).
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I can. Easily. Star Wars fans are fanatical. Add to that the fact that many of them have 2 generations of offspring that are also fans. And then you have the general moviegoing public that will line up to see any blockbuster or movie that looks like it could be mildly entertaining, and you've got a formula for easily cracking that mark.
Bingo.
Think about it; the Star Wars franchise has a natural pulling power, where it'll draw in a lot of money pretty easily regardless of whether or not it's a decent film (i.e. the entire Prequel trilogy). But on top of that, I also think that all of those fans want to see another great Star Wars film too, so if Abrams delivers on that, this movie will be huge.
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I really, really like the new cast, especially John Boyega, Adam Driver, and ANDY FUCKING SERKIS!!!
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I really, really like the new cast, especially John Boyega, Adam Driver, and ANDY FUCKING SERKIS!!!
Don't forget MAX VON SYDOW! :metal
But actually, I'm really curious about Daisy Ridley. Word on the street has been that the main character of the new trilogy was going to be a female Jedi (a la Jaina Solo), so if that's true, then it looks like she'll be the heroine of the series.
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I really, really like the new cast, especially John Boyega, Adam Driver, and ANDY FUCKING SERKIS!!!
Don't forget MAX VON SYDOW! :metal
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I really, really like the new cast, especially John Boyega, Adam Driver, and ANDY FUCKING SERKIS!!!
I assume Serkis will be playing a CGI character. . . .
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I hope he doesn't, actually. I would hate to see him get pigeonholed like that.
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Definitely, he would make an AWESOME sith and/or dark side character with his face and demeanor alone, he may be my favorite actor among the newbies; definitely got the chops.
I'm really interested in this after seeing the cast list and direction they're going. Woot! The wait begins, and the hype train is boarding.
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I hope he doesn't, actually. I would hate to see him get pigeonholed like that.
I agree. But, if he does, he and Ray Park can form a club for actors whose faces are always hidden.
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Can we include that cow Natalie Portman and change the name to "actors whose faces should always been hidden?" /offtopic
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Can we include that cow Natalie Portman and change the name to "actors whose faces should always been hidden?" /offtopic
THIS... Although I would say Skelotor or Gollum would be a more appropriate comparison than "cow"...
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Can we include that cow Natalie Portman and change the name to "actors whose faces should always been hidden?" /offtopic
What.
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I'm very confused on the previous statements that have just been made
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Can we include that cow Natalie Portman and change the name to "actors whose faces should always been hidden?" /offtopic
What.
Oh, I forgot. She was in Star Wars prequels, so since she had some association with the franchise, she can do no wrong in your eyes.
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As a prequel hater, I must nevertheless agree: what
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What's wrong with Natalie Portman?
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Speaking only for myself...I just don't get how she can be so UBER REVERED as being this picture of beauty. I suppose Twiggy and Kate Moss have those that drool over them as well...I just don't get it.
Everyone is different. Popeye loved Olive Oyl. But I just don't get it.
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I don't think she's the most beautiful woman ever, but she's pleasant-looking, at the very least.
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You all must be referring to Kiera Knightly if there are any comparisons to Skeletor. She was also in one of the prequel movies...
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You all must be referring to Kiera Knightly if there are any comparisons to Skeletor. She was also in one of the prequel movies...
I have the EXACT same complaint about KK. The only vast improvement of PotC 4 over the rest of the series, was the replacement of the leading lady. :yarr
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The Star Wars theme sounds better on a pipe organ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2S72eajLzw)
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I don't think she's the most beautiful woman ever, but she's pleasant-looking, at the very least.
Yeah, she's not the hottest chick around, but she's certainly not bad either.
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:emo:
Natalie Portman > Keira Knightley.
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Both really hot to me.
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I can go along with not liking KK - to me she looks like Skeletor with a beak.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-episode-vii-casting-699924
According to Hollywood Reporter, there's another role needed to be cast, and supposedly, it'll be the lead. It says they are looking for a mixed-race lead, but they dropped the name of recent Oscar winner Lupita Nyong'O, who is far from being a mixed woman, even though she's gorgeous, and would be an excellent addition to the cast. Maisie Richardson-Sellers name was also dropped in the report.
My bi-racial actress pick would be
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Rashida Jones. Mainly because i'm in love with her, and she's super talented
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Chino's Episode VII Wish List :
Sam Worthington
Zoë Saldana
Stephen Lang
Sigourney Weaver
Michelle Rodriguez
Joel David Moore.
Dileep Rao.
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:lol
On an off topic note, Stephen Lang is my choice to play Deathstroke in a DC movie
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Sigourney Weaver in a Star Wars movie? That'd be cool.
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:lol
On an off topic note, Stephen Lang is my choice to play Deathstroke in a DC movie
I need to see him in other stuff. I loved him in Avatar but need to see whether he's the same in everything.
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Chino's Episode VII Wish List :
Sam Worthington
Zoë Saldana
Stephen Lang
Sigourney Weaver
Michelle Rodriguez
Joel David Moore.
Dileep Rao.
You're forgetting this: "Directed by James Cameron"
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And CGI EVERYWHE- oh wait, we actually will have that.
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And CGI EVERYWHE- oh wait, we actually will have that.
Oh I wouldn't be too sure of that. Last I heard, JJ was planning on filming it more akin to how they did the OT. But there definitely will be some amount of CGI present. Of that, I have no doubt.
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I'm hoping for a mix of both realistic practical sets and some fancy CGI. I want CGI, I just don't want another Star Trek (for as much as I love the movies).
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I do remember reading that they are shooting on 35mm film which makes me happy.
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:lol
On an off topic note, Stephen Lang is my choice to play Deathstroke in a DC movie
Manu Bennett is the only Deathstroke.
Chino's Episode VII Wish List :
Sam Worthington
Zoë Saldana
Stephen Lang
Sigourney Weaver
Michelle Rodriguez
Joel David Moore.
Dileep Rao.
I know this was said in jest but Sam Worthington just... is not a good actor. So boring.
Sigourney Weaver would be kinda awesome in a Star Wars movie though.
I'm mostly interested in seeing Adam Driver in this. He's pretty damn good at being out-there fucking crazy on Girls so I hope Darth Shirtless Hipster or whatever character he plays allows him to channel his inner psycho.
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Saw that the picture been posted but here's the picture with names:
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Pretty damn epic!
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Ugh, why did they have to write "Leia Solo" on there?
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I was just thinking that.
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Well Blob, when two people fall in love, they often celebrate their love with marriage, and in doing so, the bride will often, but not always take the groom's last name.
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How come the chap in the cardboard box didn't get name checked?
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Well Blob, when two people fall in love, they often celebrate their love with marriage, and in doing so, the bride will often, but not always take the groom's last name.
Thanks to Zook for the facts!
And where in the OT did that happen exactly?
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The events of VII takes place some 30 years after the OT, right? You don't expect things to have happened in their lives during that time?
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The events of VII takes place some 30 years after the OT, right? You don't expect things to have happened in their lives during that time?
Of course I do, but until we actually see Ep VII, there's nothing to base it on. Who says everything ended up cheery and happily-ever-after?
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Actually I didn't realise that the labelled image wasn't "official" so...my bad. :loser: I get where you're coming from now.
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It's probably right, but even so, it's technically a spoiler, although if true it'll probably come out in the first five minutes of the movie.
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It's probably right, but even so, it's technically a spoiler, although if true it'll probably come out in the first five minutes of the movie.
Whether it ends up being true or not, it's presumptuous for whoever made it to label the image that way, and as far as I'm aware based only on the same EU that just got completely wiped (and hopefully thoroughly and intentionally ignored for the new movies).
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Agreed.
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It's probably right, but even so, it's technically a spoiler, although if true it'll probably come out in the first five minutes of the movie.
Whether it ends up being true or not, it's presumptuous for whoever made it to label the image that way, and as far as I'm aware based only on the same EU that just got completely wiped (and hopefully thoroughly and intentionally ignored for the new movies).
Yes. ...but so what?
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Can we include that cow Natalie Portman and change the name to "actors whose faces should always been hidden?" /offtopic
What.
Oh, I forgot. She was in Star Wars prequels, so since she had some association with the franchise, she can do no wrong in your eyes.
It's no wonder we disagree so often, not with that level of fallacy anyhow. Beyond that, I know people on the Internet tend to be picky, but pretending that Natalie Portman is gross looking is probably taking it a bit far. Also, as someone who is dating someone skinnier than that, I don't see how calling someone "Skeletor" is any better than calling an overweight person a "beached whale" or something else equally demeaning. If she isn't your cup of tea, I understand, but on the same token if she was actually ugly, you probably wouldn't be prone to make a remark about how her face "should always be hidden". Or maybe it's just not cool to find her attractive anymore, I don't know.
Edit: To avoid further derailment, I changed my mind. You convinced me she's hideous.
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This thread is dead to me :(
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I thought the Sarlacc slowly digested its prey over 1000 years. That means he's still alive.
I don't see why that means they would stay alive the whole time.
Wait... so you intentionally excise what I said next, which clarifies that I was being sarcastic, then offer a serious response?
I apologize, it wasn't very clear. Sorry for digging this up, a lot has happened since this post obviously.
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That line has always struck me funny. The idea of being slowly, painfully digested over 1000 years sounds absolutely horrible... until you realize that you're not going to live nearly that long anyway. It's one of those things that just doesn't withstand scrutiny.
Maybe the Sarlacc's digestive fluids include enzymes that somehow keep the victim alive indefinitely, so it doesn't spoil while it's being digested. That, I suppose, was the idea (or again, more likely, they just didn't think it through). That would be pretty sci-fi, though. A state of suspended animation, but you're conscious and being digested the whole time. Pretty sick. Kinda like how spiders paralyze and wrap their prey, which is technically still alive until they start ingesting it.
Anyway, I tried to get all of that across in a quick, smartass reply, and obviously it didn't work.
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Looking back at that picture, I got a chuckle. I know it is more symbolic than anything, but why is Peter Mayhew there? So he knows when to come in a say RAAAAAARRRWWWWWWWWW? :D
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He really chewies up the scenery :neverusethis:
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Chewbacca is a character, Peter Mayhew plays him. I think it makes perfect sense for him to be there.
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I'll also add that while Chewbacca the character may only have limited vocalizations, the actor must communicate his motivations, emotions, and reactions mostly with physical acting...while in a costume that is remarkably ill suited for it. That must be very difficult! Understanding his role in the movie and with the other actors would be very important.
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I know all that, it was just a chuckle 9for only me, apparently), and it is just an initial script read-through, they aren't blocking scenes or anything like that.
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Man, that costume. I bet that, given his age, he would give anything to have been cast as a human character.
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Maybe they will Mo-Cap Chewie in the new one .
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Maybe they will Mo-Cap Chewie in the new one .
I hope not.
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Andy Serkis
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Andy Serkis
Hopefully something new, not Chewie.
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Obviously Gollum - COZ DER IN DA SAME UNIVERSE!!!111!!!!!
JUst like ET Is a JEDI coz They put him in PHANTOM MEACE
Yes. as a joke. Calm down, nerds.
Lord Of The Rings and Back To The Future are in the same universe because Elijah Wood is in one scene in 2015.
Also - it's the MIDDLE film in the trilogy and it's set on EARTH.
Obviously same universe!!!!11!!! :neverusethis:
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Star Wars is in the same universe. It was just a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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Correct me if i'm wrong but the Star Wars and Star Trek universe have never been closer than this before? Imagine the impact if Spock had a cameo in SW VII.
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I'd hate it. Star Trek is future solar system. Star Wars is past distant system.
Plus I'm really not keen on SW as a whole.
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Of course it would never happen or I hope to Mangini it won't! Just a funny thought, that's all.
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I'm hoping JJ is smart enough to know that both sides would be in uproar if they crossed over.
They should remain seperate entities.
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Don't cross the streams!
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It's fortunate that I'm a massive Star Wars fan, seeing as today is my birthday as well.
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It's fortunate that I'm a massive Star Wars fan, seeing as today is my birthday as well.
And I was born on November 7th.
07/11
Which is an anagram of 1701
:lol
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I will probably watch one of the OT films today at some point.
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I have the complete saga bluray set and thought about popping in the extra discs about the OT. Man that is the most frustrating menu system ever created. Whoever put the extra features together needs to watch the LOTR and Hobbit extended editions extras and learn from that.
The new commentaries for the set are pretty boring as well.
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Saw this today :
" Anyone tried watching the films in the so-called Machete order ? "
Apparently you watch IV then 2 then 3 then V and then VI. Ignore 1 completely.
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The point being?
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:lol Had to of course google that so yea....
https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
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That makes perfect sense... Even though I really don't like the idea of leaving Phantom Menace out of the picture.
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My Star Wars blu-rays and DVDs never made the move with me to California last summer....or none of my movies for that matter. So my buddy suggested The Clone Wars animated series for me to check out today since they are all on Netflix. I kinda rolled my eyes and said ok i'll check i out. I couldn't have been more ignorant. I'm just three episodes in, and I'm very impressed with this. I really like the cinematography. Just the movement of the cameras and everything that is going in the frame, especially in the background during the battle scenes, are most impressive!
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^^^^ :tup
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Star Wars Rebels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_soLH5MWGOg
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I hope no one remembers the code to that carbonite block.
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On a related note, Ahmed Best did a reddit talk recently and it was actually really cool and informative.
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Maybe they will Mo-Cap Chewie in the new one .
https://instagram.com/p/nlMAYhs_V7/
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Photobombed by a Wookie.
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Ain't It Cool News is reporting that the title of episode VII (working title, anyway) will be The Ancient Fear. Sounds OK to me if they use it.
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I heard that earlier, and it doesn't sound very Star Warsy, and I don't really like it, but the title is trivial anyway, so I don't really care that much.
It would still be far from the worst SW movie title *cough* Attack of the Clones *cough*
And I don't put much stock in this rumour anyway.
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I don't either, but it's the only news I had.
For now.
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If that's the title, I really like it.
Guess we just gotta wait and see though.
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It could be accurate, for now, and still wind up being different at release time. I still remember promotional material for Revenge of the Jedi.
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If that's the title, I really like it.
Guess we just gotta wait and see though.
Likewise. A lot of people are speculating as to whether or not this means either Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane will pop up as the villain and this rumored title only seems to indicate towards that theory.
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It could be accurate, for now, and still wind up being different at release time. I still remember promotional material for Revenge of the Jedi.
True.
If that's the title, I really like it.
Guess we just gotta wait and see though.
Likewise. A lot of people are speculating as to whether or not this means either Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane will pop up as the villain and this rumored title only seems to indicate towards that theory.
Possibly, but not necessarily.
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Some productions name themselves to throw people off their scent, it could be one of those things as well, esp when there's no confirmed title at this point.
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It's actually Blue Harvest.
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I sure hope that's not the title, especially since that would imply a plot that I probably won't like.
The good thing is that it's Harry Knowles, so there is a 99.5% chance that it's not true.
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I don't like that title very much, so I hope it turns out to be something else. It would be a fine title for one of the Clone Wars show episodes, but I hope they choose something less cheesy (even though that may be the Star Wars way).
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Sounds fairly par for the course to me.
Which Star Wars film has a decent title besides possibly Return Of The Jedi ?
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So do we hate Star Wars movie titles as well now? This is news to me.
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So do we hate Star Wars movie titles as well now? This is news to me.
Looks that way. The only title I'm not fond of is Attack of the Clones, but even that one makes sense due to what it's calling back to.
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Well, sure it makes sense. But it's also still not very good.
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Maybe that is part of why I said I'm not fond of it? Just a guess.
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The Phantom Menace just brings to mind a guy shaking his fists at a ghost in his house being a nuisance.
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Maybe that is part of why I said I'm not fond of it? Just a guess.
At some point in the planning process, wasn't it tentatively titled "The Clone Wars?" I seem to recall that, but I may be misremembering.
The Phantom Menace just brings to mind a guy shaking his fists at a ghost in his house being a nuisance.
??? It's actually perhaps the best title of all of them. But maybe a bit too much thought required.
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I'ma just go ahead and leave this here... https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/9151-This-Episode-is-Part-of-the-Problem
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I'ma just go ahead and leave this here... https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/9151-This-Episode-is-Part-of-the-Problem
That was pretty cool, for the past several years I've done exactly that and avoided all the hype and not just for movies but TV shows as well. With the way things are structured and available nowadays it's very hard to avoid spoilers, hype, theories and theories, etc.. I'm just coasting and only read a thing or two and like to discuss shows and movies after I've watched them.
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/17252
Check the date of this "article" from 2004 - Episode III rumoured to be The Creeping Fear.
Sound familiar ?
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I'ma just go ahead and leave this here... https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/9151-This-Episode-is-Part-of-the-Problem
Kinda like waiting for a new Tool album, ain't it? ;D
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/17252
Check the date of this "article" from 2004 - Episode III rumoured to be The Creeping Fear.
Sound familiar ?
Very.
It also happens to sound like a terrible '80s thrash metal song. :lol
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/17252
Check the date of this "article" from 2004 - Episode III rumoured to be The Creeping Fear.
Sound familiar ?
Very.
It also happens to sound like a terrible '80s thrash metal song. :lol
So let it be written, let it be done...
Far from terrible though
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It wouldn't surprise me if it's the title. The director of this movie titled a Star Trek movie called "Into Darkness." Not very intriguing with a side of cheese
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I'ma just go ahead and leave this here... https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/9151-This-Episode-is-Part-of-the-Problem
Kinda like waiting for a new Tool album, ain't it? ;D
You guys are kinda missing the point. This is more about the fact that the press is forced to create news out of there being no news, and that's what's frustrating about the wait, not the wait itself.
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https://www.aintitcool.com/node/17252
Check the date of this "article" from 2004 - Episode III rumoured to be The Creeping Fear.
Sound familiar ?
That is funny, because I didn't know Harry put that up. On April fool's day back in 2004, the starwars.com site had the title "The Creeping Fear" listed on the drop down menus of the film titles. They didn't announce the change or anything, it was just sort of hidden there for people to find.
Probably poking fun at all of Harry's "inside information". I remember when he confirmed Christopher Walken was going to play a sith lord as well after getting off the phone with one of his important contacts.
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The Phantom Menace just brings to mind a guy shaking his fists at a ghost in his house being a nuisance.
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So speaking of AICN, Harry posted a new article right here https://www.aintitcool.com/node/67267 about Stormtroopers and are we going to get them in Episode VII. It kinda raises some questions How many of the Clone Troopers of the prequels became Stormtroopers, or were any of the Jango Fett clones even Stormtroopers? If you think about it...the Clone Troopers could actually aim and hit their target while the Stormtroopers had a worse accuracy rate than Shaquille O'Neals free-throw percentage. I wonder if the new Star Wars film will touch up on this.
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Vulgar Display Of Jar Jar
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The Passion Of The Binks.
A 2 hour movie of Jar Jar getting tortured and crucified.
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I've never understood the rabid hatred for Jar-Jar. Is he really that detestable?
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Yes.
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One thing I like about the Plinkett reviews is that he completely destroys the prequels with laying out facts about why they fail, and yet he doesn't really even mention Jar Jar Binks. It's one silly character in the prequels, but he is not the reason why the prequels are awful. There's so many bigger problems with those movies, that I don't see why so many people focus their hate on one character.
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I think the videos where people were asked to describe characters from Episode 1 was the most damning.
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Yeah, there's really no memorable characters at all. They're all so generic, and they don't stand out.
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One thing I like about the Plinkett reviews is that he completely destroys the prequels with laying out facts about why they fail, and yet he doesn't really even mention Jar Jar Binks. It's one silly character in the prequels, but he is not the reason why the prequels are awful. There's so many bigger problems with those movies, that I don't see why so many people focus their hate on one character.
That was truly a defining moment for me as well. I had been a defender of the prequels up until that point. This was exactly where I stopped to think, realized he was right on the money, and was forced to admit that it was not just nostalgia that made the OT better.
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The true brilliance of the Plinket reviews is that rather then focus on the aspects of the prequels that the fanboys like to bitch about (like Jar Jar), they actually take apart the films as films and focus on things like character development, pacing, editing, cinematography, and so on to explain why so many people felt such an emotional disconnection with those films. Granted, Plinket does nitpick the story a lot, but that was really done to show how rushed and sloppy the script was, and, by extrapolation, to assert the premise that Lucas made the films not because he actually had a story he wanted to tell, but as an excuse to sell more toys.
Not that I have a problem with movies that are toy commercials on principle; I love the 1986 Transformers film, and that was a blatant toy commercial. However, at least the '86 Transformers movie didn't bore me with long stretches of insufferable political meandering and a poorly executed "tragic fall of a hero" story arc. Hot Rod goes through the standard "hero's journey" in less then 90 minutes; there was no reason for me to suffer through Anakin just getting more and more angsty over the course of 3 films, each over two hours long!
And that actually brings up something else. Did you ever notice that Jar Jar is the only character in The Phantom Menace to actually have a story arc? He starts out as a bumbling fuck-up who annoys everyone around him (including the audience), yet by the end of the film he's a general and war hero. All the other characters are just stagnant and lifeless, with little emotion and lacking motivations for us to care about their struggles.
That's also why Palpatine's character got so much praise in Revenge Of The Sith. He was the only character in the entire trilogy to have a clear goal that he was working towards. Combined with how poorly written all the other characters were, seeing Palpatine working towards creating the Empire actually made me care a little, while the deaths and suffering of all the other characters just evoked indifference.
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First time i've heard that Episode II is a ..ahem...clone of Empire Strikes Back.
And Hot Rod is an amazing film. So so funny.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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A friend showed that to me on FB a few days ago, but my God, that last bit never stops being funny. And unsettling.
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:lol :lol
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Anyone here subscribe to Honest Trailers? I personally think they're all hilarious and have seen them all. Their latest one is on Attack of The Clones and is really funny, check them all out if you haven't already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nJS-LPcFfw
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I died with "Laurence Fishbourne" :rollin
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I just spent 40 minutes watching honest trailers, and all I can say is that I have stopped because I'm late for work. Great channel.
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So apparently Denis Lawson was approached by JJ Abrams about reprising his role of Wedge Antilles...and the British actor, who is Ewan McGregor's uncle by the way (never knew that!), said no because it would bore him :-[
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/13/wedge-antilles-star-wars-episode-vii_n_5315402.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
We spent the better part of two years waiting to see if Princess Leia, Han Solo and Luke Skywalker would star in "Episode VII," but it turns out J.J. Abrams attempted to tap into the much deeper well of characters from the original "Star Wars" trilogy. Denis Lawson played top-notch Rebel Alliance pilot Wedge Antilles, and this weekend he revealed that Abrams approached him about reprising the role in the forthcoming movie.
"I’m not going to do that," Lawson told The Courier in the U.K. while promoting "The Machine." "They asked me, but it just would have bored me."
Tough break, J.J. Abrams. Of course, there's no indication of how significant Wedge Antilles' role would have been in "Episode VII." Despite being a minor character in the original trilogy, he remains a beloved "Star Wars" figure, having saved Luke's life during the Battle of Yavin in "A New Hope" and led the fighter attack on the Death Star in "Return of the Jedi."
Coincidentally enough, Lawson's nephew is Ewan McGregor, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi in the prequel trilogy. Still, the family ties, not to mention a film on which George Lucas serves as a creative consultant, weren't enough to lure the actor back. Since "Star Wars," Lawson has starred mostly on British programs, including the BBC's 2005 "Bleak House" miniseries and alongside Ben Whishaw in the miniseries "Criminal Justice."
Shame. I love me some Wedge. Maybe he was concerned his role wouldn't be bigger than it was with the original three? It looks like he's had a successful career with BBC programs.
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Or maybe he, like Alec Guinness, wanted to distance himself from Star Wars.
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Oh, I didn't even read the story, because I assumed the Wedge Antilles thing was a joke.
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Neither did I; I'm just guessing.
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I would've been all about Wedge coming back, as a General perhaps.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q
Non CG creatures?! This excites me! It's already better than the prequels. :lol
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Yeah, the lack of practical effects in the prequels was definitely an additional problem.
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The prequels used CG often for the sake of pushing the technology, rather than used to push the story telling, which is why it suffered so much.
It's a good sign that they're trying to recapture the feel of the OT, and putting more faith in practical effects. It shows that they're putting in the time and effort to do it right. Even just that brief glimpse of what is likely a background character shows ingenuity and charm that was sorely lacking from the prequels.
Of course I'm all for CG, but with today's technology, they'd be capable of better practical effects and animatronics than ever before, and it's becoming a rarer artform these days, which could really set apart the look of this movie.
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I agree.
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A problem with the prequels was the whole "everything will lead into the original trilogy". It wasn't just how Anakin became Darth Vader, but there was so much focus on how the world/universe ended up the way it was in the original trilogy, that they forgot to write a good plot and good characters. With the new movies, while there are connections to the past, it will be easier to write a focused story and new good characters without having to worry about connecting them to something that happens later down the time line.
And besides, I think it's good that Disney have their hands on this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q
Non CG creatures?! This excites me! It's already better than the prequels. :lol
I got chills watching that! Very excited for this film! :tup
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By the way, I love the awkward look JJ gives the alien character. :lol
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I showed that clip to my cousin this morning. He grew up on the pre-quel trilogy and His head almost exploded. He just couldn't deal with experiencing quality.
Back me up on this George,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVq5QwMlaII
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Wait.......
Was that video implying that 2001 is shit ?!
:rollin
It reminds me of that video where George Lucas basically says " Anyone that takes a piece of art and messes with it is an idiot " or something like that. :lol
Obviously before the "Special Editions".
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Wait.......
Was that video implying that 2001 is shit ?!
:rollin
It reminds me of that video where George Lucas basically says " Anyone that takes a piece of art and messes with it is an idiot " or something like that. :lol
Obviously before the "Special Editions".
Yeah, seriously. As one of the commenters pointed out, Hollywood used to hate him for how he defied the traditional moviemaking ethos to remain true to his own indie spirit. You just gotta wonder what happened to make him this giant hypocrite.
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Something I guess I'm just not getting - Am I the only person who hates JJ Abrams? I just don't think he's good at making movies. The Star Trek reboot is one of my least favorite movies ever. It's not that I have anything against reboots (BSG is my favorite TV show and a reboot), but the movie didn't work on its own merits. Super 8 had great acting, but the tone was really inconsistent and the ending was horrible.
I expect the new Star Wars movie to at least be competent. The fiscal potential and prestige of the franchise are too important for anything overtly ridiculous to be allowed. There probably won't be any obnoxious lens flares. And the ending probably had real through put into it.
But what has JJ Abrams done to make people believe he can actually make a good movie? To me, at least Michael Bay is unapologetic about making shlock.. JJ Abrams makes shlock and pretends that it's meaningful sci-fi.
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It's a few things for me:
1. Except for Michael Bay, anyone would be better than Lucas, sadly.
2. Maybe this isn't a firm basis on which to place my faith in JJ, but he's very clearly dedicated to the project. There may have been many directors who were more qualified than him to undertake the project, sure, but JJ is a Star Wars fan. It's sorta like how you don't want someone selling a product when they don't believe in it. At least you can be sure that he's going to try his best, as a fan, to create the kind of movie he'd want to watch.
3. If nothing else, Disney hand-picked him. They're basically our media overlords, so of course they're going to want to get this right. They chose him because they thought he could pull it off, and if he doesn't, they'll do something about it. I dunno what, but hey, they're Disney.
Also ending aside, I actually liked Super 8. Just the ending wasn't enough to put me off the movie as a whole.
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I would say I like JJ. He's not one of my favorite directors, but he hasn't made THAT many movies yet. I would say Mission Impossible 3 is really good, and in terms of the Star Trek movies and Super 8, the direction in those movies is not the problem. A lot of people bash on Into Darkness, and I've also seen people bash Super 8, but the faults of those problems is not with the direction.
JJ seems really passionate about this project, and I believe the best person to helm a project like Star Wars is someone who is a fan themselves, and who is really excited and passionate about it.
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Yeah, the lack of practical effects in the prequels was definitely an additional problem.
Actually the prequels most likely used more practical sets/effects than the original trilogy. Take a gander if you like. I have a hard time believing the crew when they say that Episode VII will feature less CGI, probably just to appease some people more than anything.
https://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
Wait.......
Was that video implying that 2001 is shit ?!
:rollin
It reminds me of that video where George Lucas basically says " Anyone that takes a piece of art and messes with it is an idiot " or something like that. :lol
Obviously before the "Special Editions".
What video is this?
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Yeah, the lack of practical effects in the prequels was definitely an additional problem.
Actually the prequels most likely used more practical sets/effects than the original trilogy. Take a gander if you like. I have a hard time believing the crew when they say that Episode VII will feature less CGI, probably just to appease some people more than anything.
https://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
You can argue that the sheer amount of practical effects used in the prequels was more just because those movies had what was an effectively unlimited budget, but considering that the "CGI" in the OT was pretty much limited to lightsaber/blaster beams and the Emperor's force lightning, I'm certain that the special effects used in the OT still had a much higher percentage of practical effects.
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Right, there wasn't a lot of CG in the originals, but those were some of the first examples of CG use in film as well, with the Death Star plan readout, as well as the map of Endor/Death Star II in ROTJ.
They were still experimenting with new technology, as evidenced with the blue screen shots from the originals.
Still, most of those pictures are pretty eye-opening. A lot of locations and effects that people assumed to be CG are actually really creative miniatures and practical sets.
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Yeah, the lack of practical effects in the prequels was definitely an additional problem.
Actually the prequels most likely used more practical sets/effects than the original trilogy. Take a gander if you like. I have a hard time believing the crew when they say that Episode VII will feature less CGI, probably just to appease some people more than anything.
https://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
Wait.......
Was that video implying that 2001 is shit ?!
:rollin
It reminds me of that video where George Lucas basically says " Anyone that takes a piece of art and messes with it is an idiot " or something like that. :lol
Obviously before the "Special Editions".
What video is this?
It's a video or article about George Lucas saying people who "update" or try to "change " a piece of art are basically butchers.
I just can't find it now. But it definitely exists.
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EDIT :
I googled it and found this : https://pressstart2begin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/george-lucas-barbarians-quote.jpg?w=593
So i'm not making it up.
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I would say I like JJ. He's not one of my favorite directors, but he hasn't made THAT many movies yet. I would say Mission Impossible 3 is really good, and in terms of the Star Trek movies and Super 8, the direction in those movies is not the problem. A lot of people bash on Into Darkness, and I've also seen people bash Super 8, but the faults of those problems is not with the direction.
JJ seems really passionate about this project, and I believe the best person to helm a project like Star Wars is someone who is a fan themselves, and who is really excited and passionate about it.
Ah, you reminded me of another good thing: he wrote Forever Young and a draft of Armageddon. So it's not like he can't write, the question is his directing.
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I don't think it is his directing. Into Darkness was a crap story. He probably did the best he could with the garbage given to him.
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It was JJ's idea to have Carol Marcus in her pants and Damon Lindelof pushed for the story to be about Khan.
They've admitted as much so apart from those two things - the one thing I don't understand is WHY Marcus wanted a war with the Klingons.
Also - the story for ST2009 was much better than Into Darkness and Damon wasn't writing that one... Coincidence ?
But anyway - leave all that to the Star Trek thread.
I'm not a SW fan but I am very interested in VII due to JJ directing.
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I don't think it is his directing. Into Darkness was a crap story. He probably did the best he could with the garbage given to him.
This. Orci, Kutzman and Lindeloff are the absolute worst screenwriters in Hollywood right now, and yet they keep landing jobs writing for these big name franchises. Their scripts are pretty much just built around "trailer moments", scenes that they think will look good on screen, and they then come up with a convoluted plot to tie all those cool-looking shots together, which is why a lot of their scripts really don't make a whole lot of sense under close scrutiny. At least Lindeloff has admitted that he doesn't think he is a particularly good writer. Orci and Kutzman are just plain oblivious to the fact that their scripts are awful.
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It was JJ's idea to have Carol Marcus in her pants and Damon Lindelof pushed for the story to be about Khan.
They've admitted as much so apart from those two things - the one thing I don't understand is WHY Marcus wanted a war with the Klingons.
Also - the story for ST2009 was much better than Into Darkness and Damon wasn't writing that one... Coincidence ?
But anyway - leave all that to the Star Trek thread.
I'm not a SW fan but I am very interested in VII due to JJ directing.
No, but I do think there's something to that. Notice how Lost went waaay downhill after JJ scaled down his involvement and Lindelof stepped in (somewhere around season 3, IIRC).
Edit: Essentially ninja'd by TDM. Oh btw, who's Kutzman?
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EDIT :
I googled it and found this : https://pressstart2begin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/george-lucas-barbarians-quote.jpg?w=593
So i'm not making it up.
This is often taken out of context. A full transcript reveals more, including these tidbits:
“Who better, than the person whose hard labor and unique talent created the art, to determine what is an appropriate alteration.”
“Buying a copyright does not make one an artist. The copyright owner does not suddenly become talented and creative, does not suddenly have the ability to write a novel, play music, paint pictures or make films. An artists’ creative talent is not something that can be transferred. And it is the artist’s unique vision that must be respected, that must be protected.”
It seems he has always felt that artists should always control their work. Who'd a thunk it.
Close with this:
“And it is the artist’s unique vision that must be respected, that must be protected.” -George Lucas, 1988
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It was JJ's idea to have Carol Marcus in her pants and Damon Lindelof pushed for the story to be about Khan.
They've admitted as much so apart from those two things - the one thing I don't understand is WHY Marcus wanted a war with the Klingons.
Also - the story for ST2009 was much better than Into Darkness and Damon wasn't writing that one... Coincidence ?
But anyway - leave all that to the Star Trek thread.
I'm not a SW fan but I am very interested in VII due to JJ directing.
No, but I do think there's something to that. Notice how Lost went waaay downhill after JJ scaled down his involvement and Lindelof stepped in (somewhere around season 3, IIRC).
Edit: Essentially ninja'd by TDM. Oh btw, who's Kutzman?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0476064/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0476064/)
Writer/ producer for Michael Bay Transformers, JJ Abrams Trek and Amazing Spiderman 2..... yep, that's quite a resume
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If by "quite a resume" you mean "quite a telling resume," then I wholeheartedly agree.
EDIT :
I googled it and found this : https://pressstart2begin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/george-lucas-barbarians-quote.jpg?w=593
So i'm not making it up.
This is often taken out of context. A full transcript reveals more, including these tidbits:
“Who better, than the person whose hard labor and unique talent created the art, to determine what is an appropriate alteration.”
“Buying a copyright does not make one an artist. The copyright owner does not suddenly become talented and creative, does not suddenly have the ability to write a novel, play music, paint pictures or make films. An artists’ creative talent is not something that can be transferred. And it is the artist’s unique vision that must be respected, that must be protected.”
It seems he has always felt that artists should always control their work. Who'd a thunk it.
Close with this:
“And it is the artist’s unique vision that must be respected, that must be protected.” -George Lucas, 1988
And I agree with him completely. As such, we should've labored to have Star Wars thrown into the public domain post-haste.
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For all we know - Bob Orci had all the best ideas but Lindelof & Kurtzman pushed for "trailer moments".
Bob Orci was very present on StarTrekMovie.com answering all fans queries about Into Darkness.
Plus him & Kurtzman don't work together anymore & Star Trek 3 has new writers.
There could be something in that.
ANYWAY. STAR WARS 7
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Something I guess I'm just not getting - Am I the only person who hates JJ Abrams? I just don't think he's good at making movies. The Star Trek reboot is one of my least favorite movies ever. It's not that I have anything against reboots (BSG is my favorite TV show and a reboot), but the movie didn't work on its own merits. Super 8 had great acting, but the tone was really inconsistent and the ending was horrible.
I expect the new Star Wars movie to at least be competent. The fiscal potential and prestige of the franchise are too important for anything overtly ridiculous to be allowed. There probably won't be any obnoxious lens flares. And the ending probably had real through put into it.
But what has JJ Abrams done to make people believe he can actually make a good movie? To me, at least Michael Bay is unapologetic about making shlock.. JJ Abrams makes shlock and pretends that it's meaningful sci-fi.
I think it is best summed up by what I heard someone say after ST09 came out, and before he was ever attached to Star Wars...
"He turned Star Trek into Star Wars."
I think they were right. He made a great action/sci-fi flick...but in retrospect, it did have more of a Star Wars feel than a (typically more heady) Star Trek film.
ST09 is fun, but it really doesn't feel like a *STAR TREK FILM*....and Into Darkness is also fun to watch, but the story hasn't aged well.
BTW, I thought Super 8 was a very well done Goonies homage....and as that, it works.
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Something I guess I'm just not getting - Am I the only person who hates JJ Abrams? I just don't think he's good at making movies. The Star Trek reboot is one of my least favorite movies ever. It's not that I have anything against reboots (BSG is my favorite TV show and a reboot), but the movie didn't work on its own merits. Super 8 had great acting, but the tone was really inconsistent and the ending was horrible.
I expect the new Star Wars movie to at least be competent. The fiscal potential and prestige of the franchise are too important for anything overtly ridiculous to be allowed. There probably won't be any obnoxious lens flares. And the ending probably had real through put into it.
But what has JJ Abrams done to make people believe he can actually make a good movie? To me, at least Michael Bay is unapologetic about making shlock.. JJ Abrams makes shlock and pretends that it's meaningful sci-fi.
I think it is best summed up by what I heard someone say after ST09 came out, and before he was ever attached to Star Wars...
"He turned Star Trek into Star Wars."
I think they were right. He made a great action/sci-fi flick...but in retrospect, it did have more of a Star Wars feel than a (typically more heady) Star Trek film.
ST09 is fun, but it really doesn't feel like a *STAR TREK FILM*....and Into Darkness is also fun to watch, but the story hasn't aged well.
BTW, I thought Super 8 was a very well done Goonies homage....and as that, it works.
JJ said as much in several interviews. He thought that would help bring Star Trek into the 21st Century.
BUT ANYWAY STAR WARS GUYS
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JJ said as much in several interviews. He thought that would help bring Star Trek into the 21st Century.
I'd rather he left it in the 23rd Century. :biggrin:
As bad as I thought those movies were, I'm optimistic the new SW movies will be good, because 1) JJ effectively was trying to make a Star Wars movie instead of a Trek one, so the style will work in this case, 2) he actually gives a shit about the source material, 3) and he's likely on a much shorter leash here. He's surrounded by a lot of the right people to make a great movie.
Through every bit of information, things are shaping up well for this movie. I'll actually give JJ the benefit of the doubt on this one until I see it. If he can turn Star Trek into Star Wars, just imagine what he'll do for Star Wars! :P
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The old refrain is getting me through: "At least it can't be as bad as Lucas!"
But seriously though, at worst it'll just be like every other mindless Hollywood action film. It'll never be prequels bad again.
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The thing is -
- JJ knows what everyone wants Star Wars to be. George Lucas only knows what he thinks Star Wars should be.
JJ wants to make a great Star Wars movie whereas the prequels were purely a money making exercise and to show off the CGI.
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The thing is -
- JJ knows what everyone wants Star Wars to be. George Lucas only knows what he thinks Star Wars should be.
JJ wants to make a great Star Wars movie whereas the prequels were purely a money making exercise and to show off the CGI.
And I think with Disney in charge, you no longer have a situation of one producer making all of the decisions surrounded by yes men, which is another reason the prequels were so weak. George Lucas was more concerned with doing what he wanted rather than what fans wanted.
Everything about this movie says they're trying to stay true to the OT feel. I mean, puppet characters in 2014? That should say it all.
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I wonder if anyone will bump into a door in this one.
Weirdly - kirk banged his head in ST09.
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The thing is -
- JJ knows what everyone wants Star Wars to be. George Lucas only knows what he thinks Star Wars should be.
JJ wants to make a great Star Wars movie whereas the prequels were purely a money making exercise and to show off the CGI.
And I think with Disney in charge, you no longer have a situation of one producer making all of the decisions surrounded by yes men, which is another reason the prequels were so weak. George Lucas was more concerned with doing what he wanted rather than what fans wanted.
Everything about this movie says they're trying to stay true to the OT feel. I mean, puppet characters in 2014? That should say it all.
Yeah, I think Disney being in charge is a really strong indicator of success here. They literally engineer every inch of their parks to ensure maximum enjoyment (like, to brainwash-y levels), so you can be sure the same painstaking efforts go into their movies as well.
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Yeah, I think Disney being in charge is a really strong indicator of success here. They literally engineer every inch of their parks to ensure maximum enjoyment (like, to brainwash-y levels), so you can be sure the same painstaking efforts go into their movies as well.
And having just returned last night from a Disneyland trip, I will say once again that I LOVE them for that.
And I think with Disney in charge, you no longer have a situation of one producer making all of the decisions surrounded by yes men, which is another reason the prequels were so weak. George Lucas was more concerned with doing what he wanted rather than what fans wanted.
Yeah, that has been a huge problem. And even where people did speak up, Lucas would often still overrule them and make bad decisions. And while I recognize that the person in charge sometimes does have to overrule dissenting voices and make unpopular decisions at times, Lucas seems to have frequently done so to the detriment of the overall product. Case in point, I remember getting a pretty bad taste in my mouth after listening to the director/producer commentaries for the prequels. I remember a couple of different times, there was dialog that basically went along the lines of: [slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth parody for effect]
-Producer #1: I remember having a bit of a disagreement about this particular scene. We had an earlier scene that had a great character-building moment that really provided a lot of context and character development that gave this scene a much deeper meaning and significance, but that got cut.
-Producer #2: Yeah, it really makes this scene seem random and out of place without that earlier scene. I was kinda bummed about that too.
-Lucas: Yeah, I decided to cut that in place of this other great CGI shot that adds nothing to the story or characters, but it looks friggin' cool! And, hey, I'm George friggin' Lucas, so I'll do whatever I want.
[/slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth parody for effect]
Again, I realize it's his creative vision. But he just doesn't see that, while he had a framework for a really cool story, the execution in storytelling suffered greatly at his hands.
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News Just In :
Godzilla director Gareth Edwards will direct a stand alone Star Wars film !
Incredible news ! From making a movie in his bedroom to Star Wars in two moves.
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Standalone? I didn't think Disney would starting milking the cow dry already.
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That's been the plan all along.
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Yes it was revealed when Disney took over that They would do a new Trilogy and Three stand alone films.
One film a year starting in 2015.
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News to me.
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Yeah, that has been a huge problem. And even where people did speak up, Lucas would often still overrule them and make bad decisions. And while I recognize that the person in charge sometimes does have to overrule dissenting voices and make unpopular decisions at times, Lucas seems to have frequently done so to the detriment of the overall product. Case in point, I remember getting a pretty bad taste in my mouth after listening to the director/producer commentaries for the prequels. I remember a couple of different times, there was dialog that basically went along the lines of: [slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth parody for effect]
-Producer #1: I remember having a bit of a disagreement about this particular scene. We had an earlier scene that had a great character-building moment that really provided a lot of context and character development that gave this scene a much deeper meaning and significance, but that got cut.
-Producer #2: Yeah, it really makes this scene seem random and out of place without that earlier scene. I was kinda bummed about that too.
-Lucas: Yeah, I decided to cut that in place of this other great CGI shot that adds nothing to the story or characters, but it looks friggin' cool! And, hey, I'm George friggin' Lucas, so I'll do whatever I want.
[/slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth parody for effect]
Again, I realize it's his creative vision. But he just doesn't see that, while he had a framework for a really cool story, the execution in storytelling suffered greatly at his hands.
In a draft version of the Episode III script, there's a lot of little extra nuggets here and there that flesh out everyone's motivations. For example, in the movie, Samuel Jackson has Anakin spy on Palpatine because they suspect him of being a Sith... because "a dark cloud surrounds him" or something. In the movie, Palpatine is pushing for the Senate to pass a law giving him control of the Jedi. This creates a much stronger motivation for the mistrust between them.
3. If nothing else, Disney hand-picked him. They're basically our media overlords, so of course they're going to want to get this right. They chose him because they thought he could pull it off, and if he doesn't, they'll do something about it. I dunno what, but hey, they're Disney.
This to me is the big issue. Disney is a bit smarter about crafting a product than JJ. And I know he won't have Orci/Kurtzman/Lindelof (all horrible hacks) writing the script.
But this movie needs a director who's willing to fight for a creative vision. I saw the leaked casting sheets. All the new roles were ridiculous stock characters. Female who's headstrong and insecure. Male who's tough and cocky. Stuff like that. Because's JJ's so limited as a storyteller, I'm not even sure he cares about this stuff.
I guess it just would have been nice if the sequel trilogy made an honest effort to match the historical greatness of the original trilogy. Instead, they'll churn out an effective product. It will make money. The prestige of the original trilogy will be damaged even further. I'll be sad. And Star Wars will be forgotten, because everyone will associate the OT with the prequel and sequel triologies.
Bleh.
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News Just In :
Godzilla director Gareth Edwards will direct a stand alone Star Wars film !
Incredible news ! From making a movie in his bedroom to Star Wars in two moves.
Oh hell yes! I wonder what his film will focus on? :metal
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3. If nothing else, Disney hand-picked him. They're basically our media overlords, so of course they're going to want to get this right. They chose him because they thought he could pull it off, and if he doesn't, they'll do something about it. I dunno what, but hey, they're Disney.
This to me is the big issue. Disney is a bit smarter about crafting a product than JJ. And I know he won't have Orci/Kurtzman/Lindelof (all horrible hacks) writing the script.
But this movie needs a director who's willing to fight for a creative vision. I saw the leaked casting sheets. All the new roles were ridiculous stock characters. Female who's headstrong and insecure. Male who's tough and cocky. Stuff like that. Because's JJ's so limited as a storyteller, I'm not even sure he cares about this stuff.
I guess it just would have been nice if the sequel trilogy made an honest effort to match the historical greatness of the original trilogy. Instead, they'll churn out an effective product. It will make money. The prestige of the original trilogy will be damaged even further. I'll be sad. And Star Wars will be forgotten, because everyone will associate the OT with the prequel and sequel triologies.
Bleh.
You have absolutely no faith in JJ, do you? I honestly don't think it'll be that bad, and if it is, we do still have the originals. Their prestige wasn't actually damaged by the prequels, was it? The fans still hold the originals up as the holy grail of sci-fi, despite the prequels. If the same happens with the sequels - which again, I don't think it'll ever be that bad - people will still talk about Star Wars 4-6 the same as they do about The Matrix.
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I have faith that they have a group that will at least attempt to make a good movie. Also they have the prequels as an example of how not to make a Star Wars movie.
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JJ is a Star Wars fan. He was never a Star Trek fan.
I really think he'll make the kind of SW film he knows everyone is waiting for.
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Not to mention he's not some creative tyrant surrounded by yes men. Notice that he doesn't have Lindelof or Orci with him for this outing.
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You have absolutely no faith in JJ, do you?
I think he's a hack who's very good at convincing people he isn't one. Again, this is why I like Michael Bay better. Bay doesn't think he's a hack, obviously. And I'm sure he thinks more highly of himself and his movies than most people. But Abrams tries to present his shlock as being in the tradition of past great filmmakers. Bay knows that he's making fun action movies for the purpose of making money.
Their prestige wasn't actually damaged by the prequels, was it? The fans still hold the originals up as the holy grail of sci-fi, despite the prequels.
The bolded part is crucial. Star Wars fans love Star Wars, but the trilogy's place in the public consciousness and in the pantheon of great films has been damaged. I never have conversations with people about how great Star Wars is. The Workaholics guys noted that they don't use Star Wars references because it makes you look dated. And I've seen way too many people say "really, the original Star Wars movies were just like the prequels. People just like them more because of nostalgia."
If the same happens with the sequels - which again, I don't think it'll ever be that bad - people will still talk about Star Wars 4-6 the same as they do about The Matrix.
How well regarded is the Matrix though. I know it's a part of pop culture because it's iconic, but how many people consider it a great film?
JJ is a Star Wars fan. He was never a Star Trek fan.
I really think he'll make the kind of SW film he knows everyone is waiting for.
Chris Nolan's never struck me as the biggest Batman fan, but he made a great Batman trilogy because he's a great filmmaker. Why does anyone care about how big a Star Wars fan Abrams is more than his abilities as a director? I consider myself a pretty big Star Wars fan, but that doesn't make me qualified to direct the film.
Not to mention he's not some creative tyrant surrounded by yes men. Notice that he doesn't have Lindelof or Orci with him for this outing.
But do you think he's really going to fight against the Disney execs if they have some sort of obviously ridiculous idea? Based on the stuff he makes, he seems more interested in catering to what they want.
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I liked the Star Trek movies. :dunno:
I'm not really a Trek fan generally, though, so that might be why.
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You have absolutely no faith in JJ, do you?
I think he's a hack who's very good at convincing people he isn't one. Again, this is why I like Michael Bay better. Bay doesn't think he's a hack, obviously. And I'm sure he thinks more highly of himself and his movies than most people. But Abrams tries to present his shlock as being in the tradition of past great filmmakers. Bay knows that he's making fun action movies for the purpose of making money.
Their prestige wasn't actually damaged by the prequels, was it? The fans still hold the originals up as the holy grail of sci-fi, despite the prequels.
The bolded part is crucial. Star Wars fans love Star Wars, but the trilogy's place in the public consciousness and in the pantheon of great films has been damaged. I never have conversations with people about how great Star Wars is. The Workaholics guys noted that they don't use Star Wars references because it makes you look dated. And I've seen way too many people say "really, the original Star Wars movies were just like the prequels. People just like them more because of nostalgia."
If the same happens with the sequels - which again, I don't think it'll ever be that bad - people will still talk about Star Wars 4-6 the same as they do about The Matrix.
How well regarded is the Matrix though. I know it's a part of pop culture because it's iconic, but how many people consider it a great film?
JJ is a Star Wars fan. He was never a Star Trek fan.
I really think he'll make the kind of SW film he knows everyone is waiting for.
Chris Nolan's never struck me as the biggest Batman fan, but he made a great Batman trilogy because he's a great filmmaker. Why does anyone care about how big a Star Wars fan Abrams is more than his abilities as a director? I consider myself a pretty big Star Wars fan, but that doesn't make me qualified to direct the film.
Not to mention he's not some creative tyrant surrounded by yes men. Notice that he doesn't have Lindelof or Orci with him for this outing.
But do you think he's really going to fight against the Disney execs if they have some sort of obviously ridiculous idea? Based on the stuff he makes, he seems more interested in catering to what they want.
At this point, I'm sorry, but I think you're just being a naysayer. Maybe I'll eat my words come December 2015, but I'm not gonna just shit on it before I've even seen a trailer, let alone the movie itself.
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At this point, I'm sorry, but I think you're just being a naysayer. Maybe I'll eat my words come December 2015, but I'm not gonna just shit on it before I've even seen a trailer, let alone the movie itself.
If it's good, it's good. I didn't think the Avengers would be very good, and I was happy to be wrong about that one.
But I have to strongly advise against having any expectations for this movie whatsoever. It's setting yourself up for disappointment.
And in a personal sense, I hate that JJ Abrams is successful. I don't like what it says about America.
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Did he run over your childhood pet or something?
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Did he run over your childhood pet or something?
Yes.
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That bastard.
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At this point, I'm sorry, but I think you're just being a naysayer. Maybe I'll eat my words come December 2015, but I'm not gonna just shit on it before I've even seen a trailer, let alone the movie itself.
If it's good, it's good. I didn't think the Avengers would be very good, and I was happy to be wrong about that one.
But I have to strongly advise against having any expectations for this movie whatsoever. It's setting yourself up for disappointment.
And in a personal sense, I hate that JJ Abrams is successful. I don't like what it says about America.
That's just it, though; I have no expectations for this Star Wars. You seem to expect it'll be shit. Not saying that can't be a valid opinion, but let's at least see some teaser footage first.
I'm sure you'd all expect any film with Robert Pattinson in it will feature him as a wooden, flat, boring actor, right? I read a review of a movie called The Rover (which I now plan on seeing when it comes to the US) that says he was surprisingly very good in it. Just because JJ doesn't have a strong track record doesn't mean he can't still surprise us when the circumstances are right (i.e. directing a series he actually really likes). And it's not like he's a total hack - as I've established, he can write fairly decent screenplays.
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But this movie needs a director who's willing to fight for a creative vision. I saw the leaked casting sheets. All the new roles were ridiculous stock characters. Female who's headstrong and insecure. Male who's tough and cocky. Stuff like that. Because's JJ's so limited as a storyteller, I'm not even sure he cares about this stuff.
Have you ever seen casting sheets before? That's basically what they look like. They're not supposed to be detailed character bios, they're a very simplified idea of what they're looking for in casting. Given how late they were with the script, they may not have even had a fully fleshed out script yet when they wrote up the casting sheet either.
Believe me, I'm not a JJ Abrams fan either (just check out the Star Trek thread :lol ), but given the tighter leash he's on, and the people involved, I think his directing input will really make this movie. He's a fan of the source material by all accounts, and even though his style felt shoehorned in with Star Trek, it was really the perfect approach for a Star Wars movie in terms of pacing and presentation. I don't expect him to deviate too far to put his mark on it, I think he just wants to make a great Star Wars film.
On top of that, we have a rough outline from George Lucas (which seems to be the perfect amount of input from him), a script written by the guy who helped wrote ESB rather than the usual JJ lackies, and Disney / Lucasfilm overlooking the whole thing.
JJ is just one part of a pretty large puzzle here, and I think he'll fit into that role just right for this movie to be at least pretty good. Every bit of information so far tells me they want to do this right.
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Yeah, Reap. It's not Shyamalan.
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What the hell happend to Shyamalan-ma-ding-dong? The Sixth Sense is awesome. Compared to others I actually can stand The Village. Signs is also pretty good and I pretty much enjoyed The Happening. The rest I leave commentless.
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Most of the rest have their fans. Unbreakable is really awesome, and I seem to be one of the few who absolutely loved Lady in the Water.
EDIT: Don't want to get too far off topic, but I always felt like Night's movies are like classic Twilight Zone episodes...even if that doesn't make for a great *film*. I honestly think that if he did a TZ revival, it would be brilliant.
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Yea come to think of it, Unbreakable is pretty cool.
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I think Sixth Sense and Unbreakable are good/alright, but it seems like he went out of his way with every movie to have a new twist, and for every new movie the story itself was swept aside to focus on the twist, and the twist became dumber and dumber with each movie. In his first few movies, the twist made sense and worked in the movie, but the twists and movies became dumber and dumber, and he pretty much sealed the last nail in his own coffin with After Earth.
I hope he can return and do something good, because personally I love movies with a good twist, but he was lucky enough to start off with his best movie, and everything since has been worse.
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Yea come to think of it, Unbreakable is pretty cool.
Unbreakable is awesome.
And along with what Zantera said,
Right off the bat after 6th sense, he should have just done something completely different and then have a "twist" movie here and there throughout his career. But no, now he will forever be know as the twist guy.
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Yeah, Reap. It's not Shyamalan.
At least Shyamalan has a good movie. Mission Impossible III is passable, I guess, but I wouldn't really praise it at all.
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Yeah, Reap. It's not Shyamalan.
At least Shyamalan has a good movie. Mission Impossible III is passable, I guess, but I wouldn't really praise it at all.
What? III is my favorite one. Shame on you.
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:lol This thread has turned into Shyamalan is a better director than JJ Abrams...
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:lol This thread has turned into Shyamalan is a better director than JJ Abrams...
That is really sad.
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Some photos from the set-
https://www.tmz.com/photos/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set/images/2014/05/31/sw-7-15-jpg/
Nothing super exciting, but it's nice to see more physical stuff rather than CG.
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Now that is a big pig.
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Some photos from the set-
https://www.tmz.com/photos/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set/images/2014/05/31/sw-7-15-jpg/
Nothing super exciting, but it's nice to see more physical stuff rather than CG.
Sweet, you can never have too much Tatooine!
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Some photos from the set-
https://www.tmz.com/photos/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set/images/2014/05/31/sw-7-15-jpg/
Nothing super exciting, but it's nice to see more physical stuff rather than CG.
Sweet, you can never have too much Tatooine!
Is that sarcastic? I only ask because for some reason I've seen nothing but bitching from SW fans about Tatooine being featured so often. Personally, I have no problem with it, and it's such an iconic SW place that it makes sense to include it for familiarity along with the original cast. :dunno:
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I don't understand people having issues with Tatooine. To me, it's like the "home planet" of the entire saga. Luke grew up there, Obi-Wan hung out there. We find out later that this isn't a coincidence, but whatever. Shmi is from Tatooine, and Anakin lived his early life there. It wouldn't make sense to not return to Tatoonie in the new movies.
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I don't understand people having issues with Tatooine. To me, it's like the "home planet" of the entire saga. Luke grew up there, Obi-Wan hung out there. We find out later that this isn't a coincidence, but whatever. Shmi is from Tatooine, and Anakin lived his early life there. It wouldn't make sense to not return to Tatoonie in the new movies.
I agree. I've seen people argue that in such a huge universe of planets and ideas to explore, they keep returning to Tatooine, and that it's an insignificant planet that everyone's trying to get away from, and yet they keep showing it.
Maybe it isn't the most significant planet universally speaking, but it's important to these characters' stories, and it's a familiar setting to ground the movies, and quickly establish the Star Wars "vibe" so people are a bit more open to accepting these new movies.
Maybe it's more of a hardcore fan criticism, for people who are into all of the EU books and videogames etc that have used a lot of new ideas, but as a casual fan, I want to see these familiar settings 30 years later post-ROTJ, and I want to see Tatooine bustling with wacky looking aliens going about their business.
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I've always liked the Tatooine setting. Its got the definitive Star Wars feel.
And I'm happy to see its return. And more importantly there's one thing I'm seeing nothing of so far and that's blue screen. Sure there's gonna be GC, but less is more imo and so far so good.
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I've always liked the Tatooine setting. Its got the definitive Star Wars feel.
And I'm happy to see its return. And more importantly there's one thing I'm seeing nothing of so far and that's blue screen. Sure there's gonna be GC, but less is more imo and so far so good.
These days blue screen isn't a necessity for keying a live scene, especially if they're adding extra creatures, or doing matte extensions. I'd still expect them to enhance these shots later with plenty of CG in that manner, but they're obviously focusing on doing as much as they can physically to match the style of the original movies, which is a great sign for this movie.
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https://starwars.com/star-wars-episode-vii-adds-academy-award-winner-lupita-nyongo-and-game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie.html
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Ooh, upping the babe factor.
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Do people actually really go and see films because they fancy someone in it ?
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Wouldn't have thought it would happen this early, but I just felt the first twinge of excitement for this project after looking at those pictures.
Do people actually really go and see films because they fancy someone in it ?
According to some of the suits in Hollywood, that's the only reason people go to a film. It's always been a star-driven industry, going to back to Bogart, Cagney, Gable...
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I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
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But films these days are so expensive. I would never pay up to £15 on a night out at the cinema just because I fancied someone in the film.
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The only reason I want to see The Other Woman is because Kate Upton is in it.
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The only reason I want to see The Other Woman is because Hef wants to see Kate Upton in it.
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I think it's more for people on the fence about it. They might go see it or not, but hey, there's someone in it that they like and usually they like their work, so that could be enough to go. Or not.
It's Star Wars. It seems to me that most people will either go see it or not because it's Star Wars, not because of who's in it. But as I said, it can't hurt.
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I have no problem with Tatooine, but it does seem like an awful lot does happen there for being the planet that's theoretically the farthest from that "bright center of the universe."
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Do people actually really go and see films because they fancy someone in it ?
I have never gone and paid to see a movie based on the cast. Celebrities aren't a motivating factor for me. If that was all I'm interested in, I'd just use the Google! If it's on TV, and there's someone hot in it (or just an actor I like), it might persuade me to watch it for a bit longer than otherwise.
Neither of those new girls are hot at all anyway. :blob:
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(https://thandiekay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Lupita-Featured-Image.jpg)
She can look at me all she wants with those pretty eyes. Damn. Wonderful actress, too. Great addition to this cast.
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My friend just had the brilliant notion that if The Clone Wars series were ever live action, these two new ladies could be your Ashoka Tano and Asajj Ventress
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https://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-wars-episode-7-millennium-falcon-set-photos/
Well, dayam.
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Wow! They're really going full speed ahead with this practical effects thing.
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This just keep getting more and more exciting.
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https://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-wars-episode-7-millennium-falcon-set-photos/
Well, dayam.
bravo :clap:
This keeps getting better and better.
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Wow! They're really going full speed ahead with this practical effects thing.
Which means it's already better than the prequels.
EDIT :
And in the making of Into Darkness - it shows them filling an enormous sound stage with the Enterprise set - which was all inter-connected -
- so you could actually run from the bridge to the sick bay to the transporter room etc without having to cut two sets together in editing.
Damn I would have loved to have walked around that set !
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Wow! They're really going full speed ahead with this practical effects thing.
Which means it's already better than the prequels.
Agreed 100%
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They seem to be making all the right decisions with this movie so far. JJ is a good fit as a director, the more "unknown" cast combined with a few bigger names, going back to the old trilogy (with both cast, screenwriter, score etc), going back to practical effects and more locations. I couldn't be more excited for this movie.
It could still end up failing as a result of the script, the direction or maybe even editing, but at least they are making the right decisions.
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I got chills seeing that huge boar-like creature yesterday. It's stuff like that that makes me generally prefer utilizing practical effects over CGI.
Also, I've been hanging around at a SW fan forum lately and some of the folks there noticed something really sweet about these set photos: certain pieces of the set are clearly derived from official concept artwork from the 80's by a guy named McQuarrie.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpITjuFIgAAUGdO.jpg)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/146b49e149b48c92211e3175a5ca2395/tumblr_n6jzpdlOC81s6w6foo1_500.jpg)
(https://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/06/01/star-wars-gallery-launch-16.jpg)
JJ and Co. have clearly been doing their homework. :tup
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Do people actually really go and see films because they fancy someone in it ?
I have never gone and paid to see a movie based on the cast. Celebrities aren't a motivating factor for me. If that was all I'm interested in, I'd just use the Google! If it's on TV, and there's someone hot in it (or just an actor I like), it might persuade me to watch it for a bit longer than otherwise.
Neither of those new girls are hot at all anyway. :blob:
I've certainly gone to see movies based on the cast. But based on their acting ability, not their physical attractiveness.
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At least it looks right.
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I've certainly gone to see movies based on the cast. But based on their acting ability, not their physical attractiveness.
Exactly - for example - Edge Of Tomorrow. The premise sounded great already - and I enjoy Tom Cruise as an actor - and the trailer sealed the deal.
I'd never ever see that there was a new Tom Cruise film out and fork out £10 - £15 to see it without knowing anything about it.
Even less chance if it happened to star some actress I liked the look of.
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Just to keep something in mind, based on what we know, the prequels had more practical sets/effects/miniatures than the originals, and much more than we have seen thus far on Episode VII as well. So things like this:
Wow! They're really going full speed ahead with this practical effects thing.
Which means it's already better than the prequels.
don't make a whole lot of sense, especially since there is no indicator of how much CGI will be added later. After seeing the full scale of how many practical miniatures and such were done for the prequels, I actually have a really hard time believing that Episode VII will have more, especially since it is less practical (financially and in other ways) now than it was then.
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Just to keep something in mind, based on what we know, the prequels had more practical sets/effects/miniatures than the originals
I haven't seen a ton of behind-the-scenes stuff on the prequels, so I can't say for sure, and you may be right, but on the face of it, I just don't see how this is possible.
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Just to keep something in mind, based on what we know, the prequels had more practical sets/effects/miniatures than the originals
I haven't seen a ton of behind-the-scenes stuff on the prequels, so I can't say for sure, and you may be right, but on the face of it, I just don't see how this is possible.
Not to mention the fact that it is contrary to what I have ever heard anybody actually associated with the movies ever say.
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https://imgur.com/a/KHacm
^ Relevant.
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Fun fact: the spectators in the pod race when shown from a distance were actually cue tips being moved from the underside of the stands.
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I think people getting themselves hyped simply over the inclusion of more practical effects than normal are setting themselves up for some disappointment.
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https://imgur.com/a/KHacm
^ Relevant.
I think people are confusing models vs. CG with "studio green screen" vs. "on location"....
As I looked at these pictures, it *still* struck me that in more than a few, there were green screen backgrounds with few real things in the foreground. (picture #5 in particular with Ewan and Hayden in speeder with absolutely NOTHING in the background is a perfect example of what there was just way too much of in the prequels)
I'm not saying that EPVII won't have these things. But the prequels just seemed to be saturated with it. JJ is shooting the new movie on location instead of a studio, and it seems there will be a bit less fakery.
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^This guy gets it.
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And of course, confusion of style vs. substance. Practical effects and shooting on location of course tend toward better writing, direction, and acting than plain CGI-fests, but I'm sure there have been great all-CGI movies just as history is riddled with terrible, B-movie grade movies with practical effects and on-location shooting exclusively.
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A lot of the physical items in those pictures too are miniature sets. It's cool that they actually built the stuff instead of just modeling it in a computer, but it's still not an actual set that actual actors perform within and interact with.
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it's still not an actual set that actual actors perform within and interact with.
No, but this is.
(https://puu.sh/9ecjV/995750dd31.jpg)
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Meh, still looks like a dwarf could knock it over.
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A lot of the physical items in those pictures too are miniature sets. It's cool that they actually built the stuff instead of just modeling it in a computer, but it's still not an actual set that actual actors perform within and interact with.
That.
A scale set put in with blue screen is just as bad as a full CG set, because in both cases, the actors aren't interacting with that environment, so the lighting isn't real, they're limited in what they can do acting-wise, they actors don't gel with that environment due to the keying, and the directing is actually more limited than doing it via CG, because they'd have to use a motion control camera to sync the two elements up rather than being able to match moving it in a computer. All of that makes for very unconvincing scenes.
The PT may have used more models, but that's because it used models where it really shouldn't have been using them to begin with. To put it into perspective, they're building a real, full scale Millennium Falcon for Ep VII. They didn't even build a single clone trooper costume for the PT.
That doesn't automatically mean the new movie is going to be awesome, but it's a good indicator that they're trying to do this right all around, and fills me with a lot of confidence that it's being done right.
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They didn't even build a single clone trooper costume for the PT.
So they all really were clone troopers.
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Ctrl-V Troopers.
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:clap:
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I just finished watching the entire Star Wars: The Clone Wars series on Netflix. I have to say...this is important Star Wars storytelling. More essential than Star Wars episodes 1, 2, and maybe even 3 which I actually like. For so long I ignored it because it premiered when I was in college and I wasn't really interested in watching animated television that wasn't Family Guy or South Park, but more or less it was because I was hung up on my disdain for the prequel trilogy. If you haven't already watched this series, I advise you give it a shot. The Clone Wars definitely started out aimed directly at children. But as it progressed, it became mature. There were even episodes that touched on high-minded concepts like Existentialism. Some of the best episodes were about the Clone Troopers. You can identify with them on a human level that I did not think possible since they are clones. The Clone Wars' Anakin Skywalker is what the prequel trilogy Anakin Skywalker should have been. The final season, which I guess is only exclusive on Netflix, brings it all to a satisfying end. The last three episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars is to me one of the greatest moments in all of the Star Wars, from the movies to the expanded universe.
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Just to keep something in mind, based on what we know, the prequels had more practical sets/effects/miniatures than the originals
I haven't seen a ton of behind-the-scenes stuff on the prequels, so I can't say for sure, and you may be right, but on the face of it, I just don't see how this is possible.
Just by the volume of behind the scenes pictures it is pretty well documented at this point, at least by going on what we have available. I posted a link to a few hundred practicals a few pages back, but it really just falls on deaf ears. Most people would be surprised at how much of those films was accomplished with non-CGI means.
It's easy to bash though, simply because a lot of people don't know any better, which seems to be the case on a number of issues.
Just to keep something in mind, based on what we know, the prequels had more practical sets/effects/miniatures than the originals
I haven't seen a ton of behind-the-scenes stuff on the prequels, so I can't say for sure, and you may be right, but on the face of it, I just don't see how this is possible.
Not to mention the fact that it is contrary to what I have ever heard anybody actually associated with the movies ever say.
Such as?
https://imgur.com/a/KHacm
^ Relevant.
I think people are confusing models vs. CG with "studio green screen" vs. "on location"....
As I looked at these pictures, it *still* struck me that in more than a few, there were green screen backgrounds with few real things in the foreground. (picture #5 in particular with Ewan and Hayden in speeder with absolutely NOTHING in the background is a perfect example of what there was just way too much of in the prequels)
It's not evil on its own, the speeder bike chase, among other scenes, was all blue-screened. Plus, there are many people that didn't know that no Clonetrooper suits were made for the films, so I would chalk that up as pretty successful work.
But this is really just part of a bigger point, the quality of a film is largely not determined by the tools.
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I just finished watching the entire Star Wars: The Clone Wars series on Netflix. I have to say...this is important Star Wars storytelling. More essential than Star Wars episodes 1, 2, and maybe even 3 which I actually like. For so long I ignored it because it premiered when I was in college and I wasn't really interested in watching animated television that wasn't Family Guy or South Park, but more or less it was because I was hung up on my disdain for the prequel trilogy. If you haven't already watched this series, I advise you give it a shot. The Clone Wars definitely started out aimed directly at children. But as it progressed, it became mature. There were even episodes that touched on high-minded concepts like Existentialism. Some of the best episodes were about the Clone Troopers. You can identify with them on a human level that I did not think possible since they are clones. The Clone Wars' Anakin Skywalker is what the prequel trilogy Anakin Skywalker should have been. The final season, which I guess is only exclusive on Netflix, brings it all to a satisfying end. The last three episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars is to me one of the greatest moments in all of the Star Wars, from the movies to the expanded universe.
I actually just watched the two-part Clone Wars animated series from 2003 that leads right into RotS on YouTube. I absolutely loved that and will probably start watching the more recent TCW series soon too, especially after reading this.
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It just doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the prequels used more practical effects than the originals because, technology-wise, almost all that the originals had access to was practical effects, whereas the prequels definitely used a shit-ton of CGI, regardless of how much practical effects they also used.
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it's still not an actual set that actual actors perform within and interact with.
No, but this is.
(https://puu.sh/9ecjV/995750dd31.jpg)
Goddamn that is fuckn cool as hell.
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So what's the overall consensus on Josh Trank? When I think of Chronicle, I don't get the warm and fuzzies about him directing a SW's movie.
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I love the little note JJ posted after those falcon shots leaked asking people to stop leaking photos....as I looked at the table the note was on all the hair on my arms stood up.
SO COOL.
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Let the wookie win...... ;D
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For those who were worried Mark Hamill was not going to be in shape for the new movie, just take a look at the picture that was taken during Star Wars Weekends at Disney's Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World this past weekend.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/10411407_10152148163386778_1311674572359004622_n_zps1876bb28.jpg)
He's looking 10x better than he has in many lightyears
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Looks good.
The man is very professional when it comes to his work, especially something of this magnitude. There wasn't really any doubt in my mind that he would get back in shape for the role. But regardless, he looks good.
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I also like the Obi-Wan Kenobi inspired goatee he's sporting
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpS4EBRCMAAZvhE.jpg)
:lol
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:omg: Mark Hamill does a conversation as the Joker and Luke during Star Wars Weekends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeT0CCQ1yqo
BTW that interviewer is James Arnold Taylor, who like Mark Hamill, is a super talented voice actor for video games and tv shows, but he is also the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in The Clone Wars series
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That was pretty sweet! He's awesome in Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.
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:omg: Mark Hamill does a conversation as the Joker and Luke during Star Wars Weekends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeT0CCQ1yqo
BTW that interviewer is James Arnold Taylor, who like Mark Hamill, is a super talented voice actor for video games and tv shows, but he is also the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in The Clone Wars series
I was there and saw the interview live (well, not in the exact same studio as Hamill and Taylor, but they were broadcasting it all over Hollywood Studios). Awesome interview. Hamill is freakin hilarious.
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:omg: Mark Hamill does a conversation as the Joker and Luke during Star Wars Weekends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeT0CCQ1yqo
BTW that interviewer is James Arnold Taylor, who like Mark Hamill, is a super talented voice actor for video games and tv shows, but he is also the voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi in The Clone Wars series
(https://puu.sh/9jMDm/152b0af23c.png)
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Egon, there's something very strange about that man.
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^POTY nomination.
Damn, son. That shit blew my mind.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aLrNqcfrfy0/TXBt-TT547I/AAAAAAAABps/z68-W2xcwZk/s1600/what%2Bthe%2Bfuck.png)
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I screenshotted it so it will never be lost.
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Seriously. Booty a blow. I want to so terribly. :lol
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Star Wars: Battlefront
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBsu56eyEdE
Man the forest scenes looks amazing.
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Now that looks next gen.
I think I now have to get a PS4
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Here's the teaser trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmo-YYoHnGs&feature=kp
Now that looks next gen.
I think I now have to get a PS4
Um ... yeah. This ^
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Wow, what an awesome, dedicated team. Makes me wish I had the moolah for a PS4.
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I loved the first two Battlefront games, but tech demos don't excite me. I just want to see gameplay! :lol :getoffmylawn:
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I loved the first two Battlefront games, but tech demos don't excite me. I just want to see gameplay! :lol :getoffmylawn:
This so much.
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I loved the first two Battlefront games, but tech demos don't excite me. I just want to see gameplay! :lol :getoffmylawn:
This so much.
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So Harrison Ford's ankle was broken by the Millenium Falcon door.
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Different articles say different things. Some say sprained, some fractured, some even say his foot was crushed.
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So Harrison Ford's ankle was broken by the Millenium Falcon door.
If only they were using blue screens, none of this would have ever happened. ;)
JK To hell with blue screens.
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Please, no action sequence with Hamill and C3P0 in the same scene. `C3P'?!´C3P0'? 3P000!´
It´s grating on the nerves!
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"shut down all Millennium falcon doors on the detention level!!!!"
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Different articles say different things. Some say sprained, some fractured, some even say his foot was crushed.
Pretty sure crushed qualifies as broken. If it was just sprained, I don't see why they would need to airlift him to a hospital. I'd think someone on set is qualified to treat a sprained ankle. That's just me speculating, though, so I could be way off.
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In general I would agree with you. But if I ran a movie studio, if Harrison Ford stubbed his toe I would charter a jet to take him to the hospital, just to be sure.
But then, he is still Harrison Ford, and apparently still one tough cookie, so if he admitted to being hurt, I would take his word for it.
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In general I would agree with you. But if I ran a movie studio, if Harrison Ford stubbed his toe I would charter a jet to take him to the hospital, just to be sure.
But then, he is still Harrison Ford, and apparently still one tough cookie, so if he admitted to being hurt, I would take his word for it.
Yeah. We're talkin' about a guy that rescues people from mountains in his helicopter for fun.
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spam
OK guys, this is amazing. He actually came back and edited his post two days later because he realized he had forgotten to include any spam links in his incomprehensible spam post. That is just incredible. :lol
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This is probably the best new Star Wars news yet
https://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=119778
Rian Johnson to Write and Direct Star Wars: Episode VIII!
In a major update to the future of the Star Wars saga on the big screen, Deadline is reporting that Brick, Looper and The Brothers Bloom helmer Rian Johnson is making plans to write and direct Star Wars: Episode VIII. Although the outlet is also reporting that he'll direct Star Wars: Episode IX, TheWrap claims that Johnson will only provide a treatment for the saga-finale and that a director for that final film has not yet been decided on. We'll update with official word as soon as it's available.
Johnson joins a seemingly ever-growing slate of top directors that are setting lightspeed coordinates for a galaxy far, far away. J.J. Abrams is currently filming Star Wars: Episode VII while both Gareth Edwards (Godzilla, Monsters) and Josh Trank (Chronicle) are planning to helm solo films. The plan is for a new Star Wars film to hit every year beginning with Episode VII on December 18, 2015.
This is great. Looper is one of my most favorite films of the past 5 years. He also directed the best episode of Breaking Bad in my opinion, "Ozymandias."
What I like about this move is that it fits the structure of the originals. There's a new director taking over the reigns for each different movie.
Great choice to direct the follow up to JJ Abrams Episode VII!
Hopefully Disney will get my Star Wars dream director, Brad Bird, to direct Episode IX :biggrin:
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Interesting.
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I really like the choice of Rain Johnson.
EDIT: This also ups my hopes a bit on Episode VII. I thought Abrams was directing the whole sequel trilogy. If he's only doing one of them, he won't be in a position to try and "make it his own." Higher chance he'll just make the shots compelling and get good performances out of his actors (two things that he can do very well).
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I really like the choice of Rain Johnson.
EDIT: This also ups my hopes a bit on Episode VII. I thought Abrams was directing the whole sequel trilogy. If he's only doing one of them, he won't be in a position to try and "make it his own." Higher chance he'll just make the shots compelling and get good performances out of his actors (two things that he can do very well).
There are so many people involved in SW that I already had no doubt that JJ wouldn't have room to put too much of his own flavour on it. Some of these other choices of director/writer confuse me, but again I don't think they'll be allowed to get too far off base. There are too many people invested in the success of these movies to end up with a complete stinker, I think.
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I read that Rian Johnson is signed up for both VIII & IX.
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I read that Rian Johnson is signed up for both VIII & IX.
I believe he is directing VIII but only writing a treatment for IX (at the moment).
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I read that Rian Johnson is signed up for both VIII & IX.
I believe he is directing VIII but only writing a treatment for IX (at the moment).
This is what I've heard as well.
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Then let it be etched in stone and placed on a monument to our wisdom and perspicacity.
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Amen.
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https://www.deadline.com/2014/06/star-wars-rian-johnson-director-next-two-movies/
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-episode-viii-sets-713726
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Hehe conflicting reports.
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Fantastic news
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This just in! Tommy Wiseau to direct all three films of the new trilogy!
https://fake.com/tommy-wiseau-to-direct-new-star-wars-trilogy-45732
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"may the force be with you, oh hi Mark"
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You're tearing me apart, Lucas !
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Looks like Harrison Ford will be out longer than original expected.
https://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/57098110/harrison-ford-to-return-to-u-s-for-six-months-of-rehab-report
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Whoa, that sounds rather serious.
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Very unfortunate.
Best of luck to him and his recovery.
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Looks like Harrison Ford will be out longer than original expected.
https://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/57098110/harrison-ford-to-return-to-u-s-for-six-months-of-rehab-report (https://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/57098110/harrison-ford-to-return-to-u-s-for-six-months-of-rehab-report)
What a wuss. Jackie Chan did one of his crazy action movies with a broken foot.
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How ironic that Harrison Ford should suffer such a debilitating injury from the Millenium Falcon of all things.
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
That Hunk of junk made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
That Hunk of junk made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
Didn't see that response coming. ::)
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
That Hunk of junk made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
Didn't see that response coming. ::)
I'd have expected either that or "This baby still has a few surprises left in her." :biggrin:
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The Millenium Falcon is alive. :omg:
Star Wars / Event Horizon crossover.
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
That Hunk of junk made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
Didn't see that response coming. ::)
I'd have expected either that or "This baby still has a few surprises left in her." :biggrin:
Well I have made a lot of special modifications myself.
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Well it is a hunk of junk.
That Hunk of junk made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
Didn't see that response coming. ::)
Someone's just jearous. :neverusethis:
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The Millenium Falcon is alive. :omg:
Star Wars / Event Horizon crossover.
That would be...strange.
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The Millenium Falcon is alive. :omg:
Star Wars / Event Horizon crossover.
That would be...strange.
Yes. Yes it would.
(https://www.theforce.net/books/images/gof10big.gif)
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(https://i.helgon.se/g/%7B3F3/%7B3F36DA36-E984-47C8-8742-85C4FCD14AB7%7D.jpg)
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lol
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Awesome that he has a good sense of humor about it.
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Awesome that he has a good sense of humor about it.
That pictures not real, I believe it's a Photoshop of a picture for a reddit AMA or something like that.
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In that case, I retract my statement. Unless he really does a good sense of humor about it and we just didn't know due to lack of photoshopped evidence.
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(https://db3.stb.s-msn.com/i/E7/55295727B044A438ECCC36185C6CC.png)
How ironic would it be if Episode 7 ended Ford's movie career and Hamill & Fisher's skyrocketed ? :P
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That would be sad. I would be sad.
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I wouldn't, only because he's had a great career. This role was just icing on the cake.
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Not many actors have played THREE iconic characters.
Indy , Solo & Deckard.
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Not many actors have played THREE iconic characters.
Indy , Solo & Deckard.
Pretty sure that's not "iconic."
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Not many actors have played THREE iconic characters.
Indy , Solo & Deckard.
Pretty sure that's not "iconic."
Cult hero would be more appropriate.
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Classic Characters then.
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I love the Deckard character too, but I think what people were having trouble with was him getting lumped in with Indy and Han Solo. Those guys were in two huge, very successful movie franchises and were most definitely iconic characters. Deckard is great, but Blade Runner was one film that didn't do well commercially and has never enjoyed universal acclaim. It's therefore hard to put Deckard in the same group.
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Classic Characters then.
Nope, not that, either.
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::)
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I'm pretty sure a very large majority of people would not be able to identify who Rick Deckard is if asked.
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Blade Runner was about so much more than Deckard. Of course SW 4-6 was about much more than Han Solo, but that character was so vital to the story, and Ford gave him life that will endear Solo to fans for generations to come. And of course Indiana Jones is Indiana Jones.
Roger Ebert wrote a neat thing about Ford. "In a scene where everything is happening at once, he knows that nothing unnecessary need be happening on his face, in his voice, or to his character. He is the fulcrum, not the lever." He is the human element amid all the cgi, effects, green screens and explosions; his portrayals are what we the audience identify with and keep the story grounded despite whatever else might be happening on the screen, and that is why he is one of the greatest film actors of all time.
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I had never heard of Richard Deckard, had to look it up when mentioned in this thread. I haven't seen that film (obviously) , and never even knew Harrison Ford was in it either. At first reading that post I thought that might his character in The Fugitive. So yeah, I'd definitely weigh in on the side of Rick Decker not being remotely close to the level of Han Solo or Indiana Jones (who are well known pop culture figures even if you haven't seen the films) in terms of being a "classic character". I think sometimes when you actually know the stuff it's hard to tell what the uninformed plebs (like me) will actually know.
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The general populace has no idea who Richard Dekker is, or what Blade Runner is.
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I'm pretty sure people are generally at least aware of what Blade Runner is, but Harrison Ford's character in it is not iconic imo. I think the character is most memorable for being Harrison Ford rather than the other way around.
If you dressed up as Indiana Jones or Han Solo, you would get recognized instantly. Not that clothes are what defines a character, but if the character is that memorable, people are going to recognize it instantly.
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Not Iconic but he was awesome in Force 10 From Navarone.
You mention the bullwhip or Kessel Run and people automatically know.
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There's so little Star Wars news that we're talking about Blade Runner in the Star Wars thread. :\
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Because they're in the same universe olilololololo
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I'm pretty sure people are generally at least aware of what Blade Runner is
I don't. The only people who know it at all are geeks and nerds.
You know, us.
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I'm pretty sure people are generally at least aware of what Blade Runner is
I don't. The only people who know it at all are geeks and nerds.
You know, us.
Wait, you mean there are other kinds of people too? ???
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While he's certainly not an iconic character, Deckard is definitely my personal favorite performance that I've ever seen Harrison Ford give.
His conflicting approach to the character against Ridley Scott's own vision is what makes the whole mystery behind "Is Deckard a Replicant?" work so well; because he acts so human as Deckard, it's really hard to distinguish what Deckard really is. He could just be a human, but he could also be a Replicant that thinks he's human and thus naturally acts like one too. That sort of intrigue and inner conflict probably wouldn't have worked as well as it did if Deckard had been played by someone who agreed with Scott's vision for the character.
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While Han Solo and Indy are by far his most iconic characters, I would have to say that Deckard is probably his best character out of three in terms of his acting. He really adds a depth and mystery to Deckard, and it becomes a great character because of him. Indy and Han Solo are both great characters because of his charm and funny wit, but I would say his performance as Deckard shines slightly more.
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While Han Solo and Indy are by far his most iconic characters, I would have to say that Deckard is probably his best character out of three in terms of his acting. He really adds a depth and mystery to Deckard, and it becomes a great character because of him. Indy and Han Solo are both great characters because of his charm and funny wit, but I would say his performance as Deckard shines slightly more.
Exactly. :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrkc360M
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Also unconfirmed plot leaks but I'm not gonna post it till it's confirmed or debunked.
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There are plot rumours every other day lately. The latest being something about Luke's hand making it into space, and something about a storm trooper? Anyone can make up anything on the internet. :lol
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IF LANDO ISN'T INVOLVED I WILL CRY
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While Han Solo and Indy are by far his most iconic characters, I would have to say that Deckard is probably his best character out of three in terms of his acting. He really adds a depth and mystery to Deckard, and it becomes a great character because of him. Indy and Han Solo are both great characters because of his charm and funny wit, but I would say his performance as Deckard shines slightly more.
Exactly. :metal
I liked his role and acting in "Regarding Henry" also.....thought it was pretty strong.
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There are plot rumours every other day lately. The latest being something about Luke's hand making it into space, and something about a storm trooper? Anyone can make up anything on the internet. :lol
The one I heard was Luke's hand is found on Tatooine with his lightsaber and the two leading roles track down Han to go and find him. Sounds like a crock o' shit to me, but Disney will neither confirm nor deny it at this time.
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There are plot rumours every other day lately. The latest being something about Luke's hand making it into space, and something about a storm trooper? Anyone can make up anything on the internet. :lol
The one I heard was Luke's hand is found on Tatooine with his lightsaber and the two leading roles track down Han to go and find him. Sounds like a crock o' shit to me, but Disney will neither confirm nor deny it at this time.
Yeah, same one I saw. If that ends up being correct at all, I will vow to watch nothing but Star Wars Ep 1 for the rest of my life. :lol
Disney shouldn't even waste their time acknowledging most of these rumours.
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I mean I wouldn't put it past 'em to pull the whole "the band split up right after we won" thing, but yeah, the hand thing seems so farfetched.
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If Lando Carlrissian is in Episode 7 - he should be played by Simon Pegg.
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Seems like I remember from one of the books that an evil clone was made from Luke's hand named "Luuke Skywalker."
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Seems like I remember from one of the books that an evil clone was made from Luke's hand named "Luuke Skywalker."
The Thrawn trilogy did that, yes. The books people wanted to base the new ones on. You can probably see why they didn't :lol
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If they do this "we found Luke's severed hand on Tatooine" thing, I'm absolutely OUT.
That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I'd rather watch a Jar Jar spin off movie than something that opened with that dumb of a premise.
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I mean I wouldn't put it past 'em to pull the whole "the band split up right after we won" thing, but yeah, the hand thing seems so farfetched.
I do expect they'll split the characters up, so that part makes sense. But I very much doubt a hand will be what drives that story. :lol In fact, that sounds like quite a worthless reason to find Luke, and would make a crummy setup for the continuation of a franchise.
However, I do expect that Luke's role will be similar to Obiwan/Yoda, being in hiding, and they have to find him, and he becomes the mentor to the new characters. I'm sure the reason for finding him will be much more important than returning corpse parts.
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It would make more sense to just want to return the lightsaber.
Why would it be on Tatooine?
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Why would it be on Tatooine?
Because it returned home to seek vengeance on those who had wronged it.
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It would make more sense to just want to return the lightsaber.
Why would it be on Tatooine?
All plotlines run through Tatooine.
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Yes, but whatever happened to, "What happens on Tatooine stays on Tatooine"? Talk about a failed ad campaign. :\
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Yes, but whatever happened to, "What happens on Tatooine stays on Tatooine"? Talk about a failed ad campaign. :\
I always thought it was 'whatever happens in Mos Eisley, stays in Mos Eisley' myself :lol
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Oh, well see, maybe I just wasn't paying careful enough attention then...
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(https://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9619181.ece/alternates/w620/abrams.jpg)
I WANT ONE!!!
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Yes, but whatever happened to, "What happens on Tatooine stays on Tatooine"? Talk about a failed ad campaign. :\
Wouldn't that work better for Nar Shaddaa?
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https://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/08/18/disney-said-to-be-planning-to-release-the-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-on-blu-ray/
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About time.
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I'll buy it day one.
And agreed, it is about damn time.
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Jesus fuck, finally!
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Still a rumour at this point.
One problem is that Disney don't own the rights to release episodes 4/5/6. Fox owns the rights for 5/6 until 2020, and they own the rights for 4 forever unless they sell them. Hopefully they can sort that mess out before then.
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I blame Lucas for this. That greedy bastard.
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Yeah, that is not ever, ever going to happen.
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Yeah, that is not ever, ever going to happen.
Yeah, no shit. If Fox isn't giving up the X-Men rights to Marvel, they sure as shit aren't going to give up the rights to Ep IV.
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Yeah, that is not ever, ever going to happen.
Yeah, no shit. If Fox isn't giving up the X-Men rights to Marvel, they sure as shit aren't going to give up the rights to Ep IV.
I don't know, I think it will happen once they lose the rights to the rest of the films in 2020. It's going to cost Disney a boatload to make it happen, but they can make it happen.
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I blame Lucas for this. That greedy bastard.
Greedy for NOT selling out?! While the sales of the unaltered trilogy are likely greatly exaggerated, he still could have made more money at any given time if he decided to grab his ankles and bend over to fanboy whims by releasing those versions, but he decided that wasn't the artistic vision now.
Boy do I dislike the hater logic. I decided to visit here after a long hiatus, but I always seem to regret it when I do.
Also while 2020 is the magic date for Empire and Jedi, I believe FOX owns A New Hope forever.
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I blame Lucas for this. That greedy bastard.
Greedy for NOT selling out?! While the sales of the unaltered trilogy are likely greatly exaggerated, he still could have made more money at any given time if he decided to grab his ankles and bend over to fanboy whims by releasing those versions, but he decided that wasn't the artistic vision now.
No, greedy for not giving his fans what they want. Thinking of his own interests, instead of something that would make them very, very happy.
Also while 2020 is the magic date for Empire and Jedi, I believe FOX owns A New Hope forever.
That is correct.
If I were FOX, I would go ahead and release it at some point, because that will be their last chance to make any money off of the OT in its entirety.
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How was Lucas in control of the previous home-video releases if he didn't control the rights?
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How was Lucas in control of the previous home-video releases if he didn't control the rights?
I'm not certain of the legal minutia, but I think FOX just has exclusive distribution rights on the OT, and not rights over the specific content of the releases. Basically, any time Lucasfilm wanted to put out a new version of the OT, FOX alone got to distribute the films, but they didn't have any control of what version of the films Lucas wanted to release.
And yes, I still think it is nonsensical for the original unaltered trilogy to not be available in a proper release. There is clearly a demand for the films in their original forms as evidenced from various sources (originaltrilogy.org, The People vs. George Lucas documentary, a widespread bootleg market for HD copies of the original films, and so on). And I don't really buy the whole "artistic vision" argument because Lucas changed his vision with every single release of the films after 1997 (remember when Luke screamed "Neveeeeer!" when falling down the Cloud City shaft at the end of Empire? It was in the theatrical re-release and the SE VHS release, but removed from later releases.) And some of the changes he made in later versions were just so minute and baffling, (blinking Ewoks, R2 hiding behind even more rocks from the Jawas, etc).
Eventually, I just came to chalk it up to a neurotic need he apparently had to make little changes here and there with every possible release just because of 1) the possibilities of changing technology and trying to keep the films looking current with the latest tech, 2) the old adage that art is never completed and merely abandoned (and Lucas found himself in a position where he never really was forced to abandon it), 3) trying to offer something new with each release, and 4) perhaps even as a passive-aggressive jab at the fans who complained about the changes.
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Photos and video have been taken of the Millennium Falcon and a few X-Wings on location.
https://www.starwars7news.com/2014/09/new-star-wars-episode-7-filming-location-at-greenham-common-millennium-falcon-and-x-wing-spotted.html
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Has anyone else checked out the book "A New Dawn"? It's supposed to be the first 'official' canon release for Star Wars moving forward with Disney. If this is the direction they're gonna keep heading in, I'm definitely a happy camper :biggrin:
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See, in this internet age everything gets leaked. I want an Empire Strikes Back-type twist and I want to be on the movie theater floor with the popcorn when I hear it.
Also, I swear someone used to be on OT.com with an avatar of James LaBrie holding a lightsaber. Can anyone attest to this?
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Also unconfirmed plot leaks but I'm not gonna post it till it's confirmed or debunked.
Why not just wait for the movie? Do you really want it spoiled now?
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Photos and video have been taken of the Millennium Falcon and a few X-Wings on location.
https://www.starwars7news.com/2014/09/new-star-wars-episode-7-filming-location-at-greenham-common-millennium-falcon-and-x-wing-spotted.html
I work near Newbury in Berkshire :P
Maybe I should go along and see ;D
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That's cool, although I doubt there's anything to see for a casual passing by. Anything that was visible from ground level is long since blocked now, I think.
You should have auditioned for a role. Darth Kotow, or something.
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That's cool, although I doubt there's anything to see for a casual passing by. Anything that was visible from ground level is long since blocked now, I think.
You should have auditioned for a role. Darth Kotow, or something.
Me ? In Star Wars ? Blas For Me ! Blas For You !!! ;D
I actually get on the Newbury train to work. It's two stops from actual Newbury. I bet the location isn't anywhere near the town itself though. And not reachable by Public Transport.
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Well start walkin'
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For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, here's the new Millennium Falcon. Dayam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C7lUfVIOa4
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For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, here's the new Millennium Falcon. Dayam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C7lUfVIOa4
With added Tumbler cannon.
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Dark Knight music??
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Probably, since the video was mostly to show the TDK Tumbler Batmobile model they snuck in there as a greebly.
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JJ is definitely being a lot less secretive about Episode 7 than he was about Into Darkness.
INB4 yeah i would have kept into darkness secret too !
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JJ is definitely being a lot less secretive about Episode 7 than he was about Into Darkness.
I think it's a lot harder to keep this stuff secret, and JJ probably doesn't have as much control over it. The new Star Wars movie is such a big deal, and it's kind of hard to hide a full size Millennium Falcon out in the open. :lol
And I don't think Star Trek had as much location shooting, which is how a lot of this Star Wars information gets out.
And also I would have kept Into Darkness secret too. :neverusethis:
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And also I would have kept Into Darkness secret too. :neverusethis:
I feel the same way, especially after watching it.
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Slow down there guys, do you want Kotowboy to have a heart attack?
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Probably, since the video was mostly to show the TDK Tumbler Batmobile model they snuck in there as a greebly.
Oh, okay. I didn't recognize what it was on the first viewing. I wonder if Warner Bros. will take up the issue if this film sneaks other noticeable Batman IP (intellectual property) into this film.
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Nah, JJ and Zach Snyder (the director of Batman v. Superman) have been trading things like this back and forth for months.
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And also I would have kept Into Darkness secret too. :neverusethis:
I feel the same way, especially after watching it.
ThatsTheJoke.JPG :)
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There's no way that was a practical model.
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Probably, since the video was mostly to show the TDK Tumbler Batmobile model they snuck in there as a greebly.
Oh, okay. I didn't recognize what it was on the first viewing. I wonder if Warner Bros. will take up the issue if this film sneaks other noticeable Batman IP (intellectual property) into this film.
I'd be surprised if it's even noticeable in the final film, given the size and placement of it.
Star Trek: First Contact snuck in the Millennium Falcon into a battle, Star Trek 11 had R2D2 in some space debri, Star Wars ep 2 had an Enterprise pass by in the background, these things are just easter eggs that aren't noticeable unless they've been pointed out.
The greeblies in the OT were all kinds of random objects like that too. Everything from Volvo hubcabs to engine blocks off model cars, and lightsabers made from camera parts. I don't think there will be any issue.
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Not to mention most people didn't notice ET in The Phantom Menace.
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I just saw that clip the other day. I'd never noticed it before, probably because TPM is painful enough without paying that close attention to it. :P
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I just saw that clip the other day. I'd never noticed it before, probably because TPM is painful enough without paying that close attention to it. :P
I can enjoy it. My biggest gripe is Jake Lloyd, his dialogue, and his delivery of said crappy dialogue. Other than that, I don't mind it.
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Liam Neeson is awesome.
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Nah, JJ and Zach Snyder (the director of Batman v. Superman) have been trading things like this back and forth for months.
Interesting, but Abrams and Snyder don't own the IP (or the music cut into that sneak peek), it is owned by each respective studio.
I'm sure the studios aren't pleased with their IP being used as easter eggs by the directors they've engaged, but not much they can do about it as long as it mostly goes by unnoticed. If the Batman tumbler were to end up on a toy Falcon or model sculpture for sale, I'm sure it would change the situation, however unlikely.
Not to mention most people didn't notice ET in The Phantom Menace.
Plus: Artoo and C-3PO on the fresco in the Well of Souls in Raiders (but IP for both films are owned by Lucasfilm).
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I'm sure the studios aren't pleased with their IP being used as easter eggs by the directors they've engaged
They don't care.
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I just saw that clip the other day. I'd never noticed it before, probably because TPM is painful enough without paying that close attention to it. :P
I can enjoy it. My biggest gripe is Jake Lloyd, his dialogue, and his delivery of said crappy dialogue. Other than that, I don't mind it.
Unfortunately that's way too much of the movie for me. :lol The last time I tried to watch it, I just couldn't handle it. And while there is some decent stuff in there aside from that, it's not close to good enough to make up for it imo.
It's like seeing a dollar in the middle of a pile of shit. It's not really worth fishing through that much shit just to get the dollar, unless you're a desperate hobo, or someone who's really nostalgic about shit because you saw the same pile of shit 15 years ago when you were a kid and at the time thought shit was pretty fun because you didn't know any better.
Metaphorically speaking, of course. :biggrin:
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As much as I generally dislike TPM, it has two things going for it. 1) Best light saber duel of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE...BAR NONE. I don't see how this could possibly disputed by any sane human being. That duel was nothing but pure awesome. And 2) (which I gather is far more disputed, and I find myself in the minority) The Pod Race. I'm not as staunch about this one, but I still don't get the hate from some people. That race on the big screen is really fun to watch. Heck, that race on my big screen TV is fun to watch. Though, I will admit that I lost some respect for it after seeing the original (the original being the infamous chariot race scene from Ben Hur...which was so mind blowing that I went out and bought it on BluRay almost immediately)
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I can't stand Jake Lloyd or Jar Jar Binks. Or the underwater stuff.
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1) Best light saber duel of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE...BAR NONE. I don't see how this could possibly disputed by any sane human being. That duel was nothing but pure awesome.
It's flashy but it doesn't have the emotion behind it like the ones from TESB and ROTJ. Those are so much better in the overall context of the movies and the series.
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While that may be true, I really think that's being overly dismissive of the duel. The stuntman (whose name escapes me) that donned the Darth Maul makeup completely stole the show. He single handedly turned that entire scene into one of the greatest action sequences put to film.
When I think "flashy" action sequences, I think of things like XXX or anything staring The Rock. This was more like the famous car chase scene from T2...it was that good.
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I can't really recall anything about it off the top of my head and I've seen the movie several times. I main reason I would consider it flashy is the fact that the guy had a dual lightsaber purely for the "oh shit!" factor. When you really think about it, it's kind of a stupid weapon.
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I'm sure the studios aren't pleased with their IP being used as easter eggs by the directors they've engaged
They don't care.
I work in Hollywood, and in the entertainment law field in particular, so my experience with the studios is that they tend to be overly sensitive about this area. Of course, maybe not in these instances since its nothing egregious. But I've been involved in matters where the studios have taken up some fairly extreme positions based on relatively similar circumstances. It all depends I guess.
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A large part of the marketing for these films is coming from this free advertising in social media. Fans eat this stuff up. And the studios trust these filmmakers. I'm sure that if they really had a problem with it, something would have been said when Snyder posted pics of Henry Cavill wearing Jedi robes over his Superman uniform wielding a lightsaber.
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A large part of the marketing for these films is coming from this free advertising in social media. Fans eat this stuff up. And the studios trust these filmmakers. I'm sure that if they really had a problem with it, something would have been said when Snyder posted pics of Henry Cavill wearing Jedi robes over his Superman uniform wielding a lightsaber.
I am referring to when IP gets put into the final film product, not the social media campaigns. I didn't mean to imply that the video is problematic per se. I'm only speaking from a hypothetical point of view. If Warners were selling pictures of Henry Cavill in a Jedi robe, sure Disney would have a gripe. Obviously, if the tumbler is in the film but it can't be seen, then there is no issue. If it winds up being featured on a toy, I imagine there is an issue.
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Assuming they keep it as part of the Falcon, when scaled down to toy size, it's nothing, unrecognizably tiny. A toy would likely be based on a CG model or the existing models, so it's unlikely it would be included anyway. As it is, every Millennium Falcon model has been replicating existing parts of other people's models which are much bigger, and it's never been an issue as far as I'm aware.
I'd be surprised if it's even noticeable in the final movie either. Had it not been pointed out, it would probably have forever remained unknown.
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Surely it would be less noticeable than Qui-Gonn's communicator being a woman's razor. No one complained about that, either.
(https://puu.sh/bGivz/2f142c7514.jpg)
Also, less noticeable, and even less relevant, but fun to know. The floor of the reactor core is made of 1500 fishing rods.
(https://puu.sh/bGiFJ/79a7ea9531.jpg)
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^^ Of course if you change the product so that it no longer resembles the product or its intended use there isn't any infringement.
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I can't really recall anything about it off the top of my head and I've seen the movie several times. I main reason I would consider it flashy is the fact that the guy had a dual lightsaber purely for the "oh shit!" factor. When you really think about it, it's kind of a stupid weapon.
What exactly is stupid about it? It's like a staff, except it can slice you in half on either side. With the right training you can take on multiple people, and it can be used to great effect defensively or offensively.
Don't you talk down on the greatest Sith 4eva.
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Limited movement in the horizontal axis. Didn't he slice himself in half or something? Maybe Obi Wan did it.
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Limited movement in the horizontal axis. Didn't he slice himself in half or something? Maybe Obi Wan did it.
That part was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Darth Maul just watches Obi Wan jump up, and just stood there as Obi Wan sliced him in half. He had so much time to react.
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And it goes against having the higher ground from the end of ROTS.
EDIT : Unless Obi was remembering the Darth Maul fight and knew that Anakin would try the same thing and was tricking him into it or yadda yadda
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The double-sided lightsaber WAS stupid. Sure it looked cool, but that was it. He didn't slice himself in half, but it's a miracle, the way he was twirling it around.
I love Darth Maul, and he was woefully underutilized, but that lightsaber was ridiculous.
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The double-sided lightsaber WAS stupid. Sure it looked cool, but that was it. He didn't slice himself in half, but it's a miracle, the way he was twirling it around.
I love Darth Maul, and he was woefully underutilized, but that lightsaber was ridiculously awesome.
Fixed. The dude was a Sith Lord. Of course he didn't slice himself in half! Put that in the hands of Han Solo, and you have Han Double.
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He was and the lightsaber the only redeeming thing on Episode one.
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Darth Maul wasn't built up enough as a character for me to label him as interesting. He was in, what, three scenes with only one lasting more than 10 seconds? I never understood why people thought he was a remotely worthwhile part of the series.
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Darth Maul wasn't built up enough as a character for me to label him as interesting. He was in, what, three scenes with only one lasting more than 10 seconds? I never understood why people thought he was a remotely worthwhile part of the series.
He is the proverbial "Boba Fett" of the Prequels. He dominates every second he's on the screen without saying a single word. THAT'S why.
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Darth Maul wasn't built up enough as a character for me to label him as interesting. He was in, what, three scenes with only one lasting more than 10 seconds? I never understood why people thought he was a remotely worthwhile part of the series.
Because he was dark and there was nothing remotely interesting in the movie. That's not hard to understand.
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I suppose. He's pretty much just a juggalo with a lightsaber.
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People wanted more from that movie and a juggalo would have been better than that plot.
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Wrong thread.
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The double-sided lightsaber WAS stupid. Sure it looked cool, but that was it. He didn't slice himself in half, but it's a miracle, the way he was twirling it around.
I love Darth Maul, and he was woefully underutilized, but that lightsaber was ridiculously awesome.
Fixed. The dude was a Sith Lord. Of course he didn't slice himself in half! Put that in the hands of Han Solo, and you have Han Double Duo.
FIFY ;)
I'll agree that he was one of the more interesting parts of that movie. I'm not sure whether that speaks to his mystery or character strength (he's really just a thug with a big, glowy stick) or to the relative weakness of the film as a whole. I'm gonna go with a little of both I guess.
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Darth Maul was only good because of Peter Serafinowicz (?)
He repeats his lines in an episode of Spaced :D
I bet he doesn't charge for autographs either as Ray Parks did. ::)
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The double-sided lightsaber WAS stupid. Sure it looked cool, but that was it. He didn't slice himself in half, but it's a miracle, the way he was twirling it around.
I love Darth Maul, and he was woefully underutilized, but that lightsaber was ridiculous.
Well, if we're being honest, lightsabers, in general, are stupid. "Let's swing around a weapon that, if it accidentally touches me, will lop off a limb!"
When I first saw the previews for Episode I, I was hoping to see him turn the blades on and off, individually, as he swung it around. Or be able to separate it into two sabers, or something.
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Darth Maul wasn't built up enough as a character for me to label him as interesting. He was in, what, three scenes with only one lasting more than 10 seconds? I never understood why people thought he was a remotely worthwhile part of the series.
I agree. I never thought he was cool or interesting at all.
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They went light sabre crazy in the prequels . Especially when Obi Wan was fighting that robot ( Darth Grevious ? ) with 4 light sabres. ::)
So much stuff in the prequels was Lucas thinking :
" well people liked this from the originals - now i'm gonna ramp it up times ten and take away any meaning that the original scenes had. "
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They went light sabre crazy in the prequels . Especially when Obi Wan was fighting that robot ( Darth Grevious ? ) with 4 light sabres. ::)
In all fairness (despite the insanity of General Greivous), there SHOULD have been more lightsabers in the prequels. There were still Jedi around then. In the OT, all of the Jedi are dead, and the only people who still had lightsabers were Darth Vader and Obi-Wan (and later Luke).
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The problem with over-using the lightsabers in the prequels is that they lost a lot of their charm and what made them special. In the original trilogy, the lightsaber feels mysterious, an ancient and powerful weapon, only wielded by the Jedi (and the Sith) and you get a sense of how it's not a very common weapon, but only used by a few. The sparse use of the weapon also gave it more power, once they took out the lightsabers, you knew they meant business and that shit would go down. In the prequels, everybody.. and I mean everybody has a lightsaber, you even see classes of small kids practicing with them. Characters pull out their lightsabers as soon as they hear noises. It's just an excuse to throw more CGI into a scene overloaded with it already.
Giving everybody a lightsaber and giving them "reasons" for flashing them in every scene really killed a lot of it. If Luke had run around with his lightsaber out in all of the original trilogy, it wouldn't have been as special when he confronted Vader or the Emperor.
I also want to point out that adding more colors to them only made it more stupid IMO. Samuel L Jackson wants a purple lightsaber? I always liked the simplicity of the original colors. You had Blue which was sort of the apprentice Jedi, Green which was the master Jedi, and Red for the corrupted Sith. I understand Yellow is quite normal in the books/novels/games (whatever) and I think another "global" color could be cool, but seeing characters have unique colors only to themselves was kinda lame.
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The problem with over-using the lightsabers in the prequels is that they lost a lot of their charm and what made them special. In the original trilogy, the lightsaber feels mysterious, an ancient and powerful weapon, only wielded by the Jedi (and the Sith) and you get a sense of how it's not a very common weapon, but only used by a few. The sparse use of the weapon also gave it more power, once they took out the lightsabers, you knew they meant business and that shit would go down. In the prequels, everybody.. and I mean everybody has a lightsaber, you even see classes of small kids practicing with them. Characters pull out their lightsabers as soon as they hear noises. It's just an excuse to throw more CGI into a scene overloaded with it already.
Giving everybody a lightsaber and giving them "reasons" for flashing them in every scene really killed a lot of it. If Luke had run around with his lightsaber out in all of the original trilogy, it wouldn't have been as special when he confronted Vader or the Emperor.
I also want to point out that adding more colors to them only made it more stupid IMO. Samuel L Jackson wants a purple lightsaber? I always liked the simplicity of the original colors. You had Blue which was sort of the apprentice Jedi, Green which was the master Jedi, and Red for the corrupted Sith. I understand Yellow is quite normal in the books/novels/games (whatever) and I think another "global" color could be cool, but seeing characters have unique colors only to themselves was kinda lame.
I agree with you, but to be fair it makes sense that in a Republic with a prosperous (don't know if this is the appropiate term) Jedi Order the lightsabers were a common sight.
In the empire era we only know of the existence of only 5 jedi in the whole galaxy so it kinda follows a logic.
BTW if I'm not mistaken the colour of the lightsabers it has to do normally with the specialization every jedi follows when becomes a Knight. This is not a rule though, every jedi can pick any crystal.
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Shit I'd be sportin' a purple saber if given the option...
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I'd be too. I love the way they look, separate from the in-universe aspect
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The problem with over-using the lightsabers in the prequels is that they lost a lot of their charm and what made them special. In the original trilogy, the lightsaber feels mysterious, an ancient and powerful weapon, only wielded by the Jedi (and the Sith) and you get a sense of how it's not a very common weapon, but only used by a few. The sparse use of the weapon also gave it more power, once they took out the lightsabers, you knew they meant business and that shit would go down. In the prequels, everybody.. and I mean everybody has a lightsaber, you even see classes of small kids practicing with them. Characters pull out their lightsabers as soon as they hear noises. It's just an excuse to throw more CGI into a scene overloaded with it already.
Giving everybody a lightsaber and giving them "reasons" for flashing them in every scene really killed a lot of it. If Luke had run around with his lightsaber out in all of the original trilogy, it wouldn't have been as special when he confronted Vader or the Emperor.
Well, I suppose it depends if you mean special to you (the viewer) or special in the SW universe. I'm kinda in the camp that says it follows the logic and makes what Luke and Ben and Anakin and Yoda did in the OT special knowing that they were but four that survived of the many. It made the 'discover' by Luke more poignant knowing that so many were lost to history and this is one of the very few that remained. It was also necessary to establish why others would know what it is, but not have them (as opposed to being something that was ALWAYS so rare that only a few people even know what they are).
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Yeah, I agree with that. The widespread use of them in the prequels is not only consistent with the history Lucas set up in the OT, but is pretty much necessary. Zantera, I think you are more projecting your fan nostalgia and how you thought things should be rather than seeing them in terms of how the story set them up to be. This is actually something that Lucas somehow managed to get right.
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NO ONE is talking about Rebels???
I missed the premiere, but I just watched it On Demand, and I have to say that I was *really* impressed. When I first saw The Clone Wars premiere, I was really disappointed, and subsequently never followed it (though I heard it got better). My feeling after watching this premier was a complete 180 degree turn. I really loved this.
This just gets me that much more excited. I think Disney is definitely doing it right. Star Wars IS BACK!!!
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I need to start watching Rebels as well. Should be great!
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Going to be watching Episodes 2 and 3 tonight before the premiere of 4 tomorrow.
BTW, they are going to be re-premiering the pilot episode on ABC on October 26th with a bonus scene....with James Earl Jones in a cameo as Darth Vader! :metal
I will give everyone one warning. The animation on the Wookies is *TERRIBLE*... The story and all the characters absolutely have the feel of the original Star Wars we all know and love, but some of the animation is suspect, and the Wookies are particularly awful. But it doesn't effect the story at all.
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I watched the first episode, and I fully agree with you on the Wookie animations. However, I liked the episode way more than I thought I would. It really has a classic Star Wars feel, albeit a bit focused on a younger audience.
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A bit more behind than I wanted to be, but watched the second episode tonight. There is no doubt about it. The animation is almost distractingly bad, but the story writers have NAILED it. Totally has the feel and the emotion of the OT. Can't wait to watch the next one.
....and the bonus footage next week with James Earl Jones should be amazing.
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I gotta say guys, I'm a little shocked at how little anyone is talking about this. I mean, TCW got more discussion than this, and it was not as good a show, and certainly not as big a deal. I mean...this is the very first output of the Disney-era...I figured everyone would be on this like white on rice to see if they got it right or not. (Obviously, I think they nailed it)
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I'm not talking about it because I have no idea what you are talking about.
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I'm not talking about it because I have no idea what you are talking about.
Star Wars Rebels! The first output from Disney in the Star Wars universe! Brand new animated series!!
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I had no idea. Where is it on?
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Currently on Disney XD Monday night, and we're 4 episodes in. (I'm getting caught up on On Demand) The pilot will RE-premier on ABC next Monday with a few seconds of bonus footage that will feature James Earl Jones as Darth Vader.
The timeline is between RotS and ANH.
I just watched episode 3. It was a bit more "fluffy", but it was still good. You know what I realized though? They borrowed *A LOT* from Firefly. Not in a bad way, but they are obviously tapping into the Firefly fanbase that isn't getting their "fix".
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I never saw Firefly.
This sounds pretty good, but I likely will end up just catching up on it when it hits NetFlix or the DVD box set comes out.
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I don't care about animated series. Besides, it is just background and filler. If it's important, it will be on a film screen.
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I could never take cartoon spinoffs of live action feature films as canon, regardless of what it is and who produced it.
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So you mean I shouldn't consider a court case in which Jay sues the Quick Stop with a jury of NBA players canon? Dammit
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NO ONE is talking about Rebels???
I missed the premiere, but I just watched it On Demand, and I have to say that I was *really* impressed. When I first saw The Clone Wars premiere, I was really disappointed, and subsequently never followed it (though I heard it got better). My feeling after watching this premier was a complete 180 degree turn. I really loved this.
This just gets me that much more excited. I think Disney is definitely doing it right. Star Wars IS BACK!!!
Dude, all the seasons of The Clone Wars are on Netflix, and I watched them all this summer. While I agree the first season was a tad weak, yet entertaining, the rest are incredible.
I can't wait to check out Rebels!
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I could never take cartoon spinoffs of live action feature films as canon, regardless of what it is and who produced it.
Ditto
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11188609/Ukraines-Darth-Vader-candidate-denied-vote-after-refusing-to-remove-mask.html
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For what it's worth, I caught the encore presentation on ABC of the debut episode. I agree, the animation, of the wookies especially, was noticeably "bad" (or is it "stylistic"?) but I thought the direction of the episode was extremely good and it gives me hope for the new films. Still a little more kid-oriented than I'd like, but I enjoyed it more than the Clone Wars (which I didn't watch that much because I didn't find what I saw compelling).
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For what it's worth, I caught the encore presentation on ABC of the debut episode. I agree, the animation, of the wookies especially, was noticeably "bad" (or is it "stylistic"?) but I thought the direction of the episode was extremely good and it gives me hope for the new films. Still a little more kid-oriented than I'd like, but I enjoyed it more than the Clone Wars (which I didn't watch that much because I didn't find what I saw compelling).
I'm excited to see the bonus footage with Darth Vader. DVRing it. (west coast, and I have a *very* early bedtime)
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I don't care about animated series. Besides, it is just background and filler. If it's important, it will be on a film screen.
Agents of SHIELD would like a word with you. ;)
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I don't care about animated series. Besides, it is just background and filler. If it's important, it will be on a film screen.
Agents of SHIELD would like a word with you. ;)
Well, it's on film, and on a screen. And not animated.
I like that show.
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rumor that John Williams is currently writing new music that will appear in a trailer for Episode 7 that will be shown starting around Christmas time:
https://www.theforce.net/story/front/Rumor_John_Williams_Scoring_Episode_VII_Trailer_In_LA_Next_Month_160550.asp
previously John Williams already has stated that he was going to start composing music for the new film this month.
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I wonder if they'll keep the opening crawl and theme music.
Does that not seem a bit old hat now ?
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I would be shocked if they didn't have the same opening crawl and main theme over it. After all, they've maintained it for the first 6 episodes, so it should be the same for the 7th, right?
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I would be shocked if they didn't have the same opening crawl and main theme over it. After all, they've maintained it for the first 6 episodes, so it should be the same for the 7th, right?
Yeah, it is a MUST. The opening crawl is practically the equivalent of a "main character" in the SW universe.
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I wonder if they'll keep the opening crawl and theme music.
Does that not seem a bit old hat now ?
What? No.
Are you high?
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I wonder if they'll keep the opening crawl and theme music.
Does that not seem a bit old hat now ?
What? No.
Are you high?
Yeah... it's about as mandatory as John Williams writing the score. These things go hand in hand in a Star Wars movie.
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I wonder if they'll keep the opening crawl and theme music.
Does that not seem a bit old hat now ?
What? No.
Are you high?
Yeah... it's about as mandatory as John Williams writing the score. These things go hand in hand in a Star Wars movie.
I'd just want to distance myself from the Prequeis. :rollin
I'd find a way to keep it but tweak it a bit
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I wonder if they'll keep the opening crawl and theme music.
Does that not seem a bit old hat now ?
What? No.
Are you high?
Yeah... it's about as mandatory as John Williams writing the score. These things go hand in hand in a Star Wars movie.
I'd just want to distance myself from the Prequeis. :rollin
This just doesn't make sense. The crawls aren't exclusive to the prequels. That's like saying "The new Star Wars shouldn't have any Jedi, because they remind me of the prequels.
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Clearly my post was in the wrong colour...
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Aren't they all?
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Aren't they all?
GOOD POINT
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I'm currently reading Darth Plagueis. It"s a great star wars read that goes in depth about plagueis and palpatine. Also, I saw in Barnes in Noble Shakesperean versions of the OT.
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Also, I saw in Barnes in Noble Shakesperean versions of the OT.
Bought the Shakespeare Ep IV for my sister. It was an interesting concept done really well. A fun read
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The opening text crawl with the Star Wars theme is a must IMO. It's one of those iconic things that just gives me the goosebumps, and that's coming from someone who isn't necessarily a massive Star Wars fan. I know the movies, and I really like the classic trilogy (the prequels were not good at all), but I haven't played any games, read any of the novels or seen any of the animated stuff. So I guess I'm more of a casual fan. Still, the opening music and the text crawl is just really epic, and frankly it would kinda ruin the movie a bit for me if they didn't do it. I would be disappointed if they left it out, even if the movie turned out good.
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It will be there. If it isn't, the fanbase will revolt.
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It will be there. If it isn't, the fanbase will revolt.
That's an understatement, lol.
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Also, I saw in Barnes in Noble Shakesperean versions of the OT.
Bought the Shakespeare Ep IV for my sister. It was an interesting concept done really well. A fun read
Nice. I read a a few lines of it. I have a terrible attention span in book stores haha it's so overwhelming.
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JJ's wrap letter to the crew.
(https://i.imgur.com/eAfQo0q.png)
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Episode VII : A New Hat
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Man, every day the Jedi piss me off more and more (re. Rebels).
They are so weak and pathetic. They have access to this power and abilities but fear to use them and struggle/strain to do the simplest things.
If you saw the latest Rebels where The Inquisitor was introduced: remember when Ezra fell out of the ship and the Jedi looked like he had to use every midichlorian he had just to barely get him back up to the ramp? PATHETIC. Both eyes closed. Gritting teeth. Major strain. THE KID WEIGHS 100 POUNDS AT MOST.
Meanwhile, The Inquisitor is just calmly talking and walking and completely owning everything.
You know how the Jedi are all like "patience, calm, blah blah blah", right? Well, what I really see are the Sith doing that whereas the Jedi only win when they get angry. The only rage-Sith I've seen are Maul and Opress, and the only calm Jedi I've seen is Yoda and maybe Qui Gon.
The Sith "just do it" whether it's a simple 1v1 fight or walking into a room and Force-plowing through 100 people. They are way more focused than the Jedi.
If I were there, I'd definitely be a Dark Jedi cuz I want to be able to use my power for good and not be held back which is why I'd totally by like Anakin or some of the other guys that are frustrated at being told "no" all the time by the Jedi. "Please, may I help that person in-need?" "No. It kinda sorta is a little bit against the code so let them suffer." Eff off.
:facepalm:
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That was one of the few things I thought that the prequels did well (and I know you're talking about Rebels here), and that was show why Anakin got so annoyed with the Jedi. You're too old to train, no don't do that, it will lead to the dark side, blah blah blah. I never bought why he turned into a mass murderer, but I sure could relate when the Jedi Council kept shutting him down, meanwhile Palpatine was offerring to help him out and learn to use his power. He was gonna use his power anyway, you'd have thought the Jedi Council would want to train him no matter what, especially if the alternative was either a rogue Jedi or a fledgling Sith.
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https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/06/star-wars-episode-vii-title-revealed-as-the-force-awakens
(https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/star-wars-episode7-logo-720x245.jpg)
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I'm not crazy about it.
But TESB isn't the greatest title in the world either. So I remain hopeful.
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I think it fits. It's not mind blowingly amazing, or "omgawesomesauce!!!!1111"...but it's probably just perfect in the sense that it feels like a title that is just banal enough that you'll get very few people actually *hating* on it.
Me, I think it's actually kinda cool.
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Funniest response I've seen so far...
"Remember this is a space pulp serial-based franchise. Cheesy titles are a part of the history.
But it does sound like Jaina's journey into womanhood."
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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No "Episode VII" in the logo.
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Gonna play the original scores for Main Title, Princess Leia's Theme, The Imperial March, Yoda's Theme and Throne Room/End Title next week. Should be alot of fun, usually it's arrangements by someone unknown.
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It looks like the Lucasfilm Star Wars caretakers are doing everything right so far. Yeah the title isn't awesome, but none of the titles were, with the possible exception of TESB. I was too young when it originally came out so I don't know how I would have reacted to that at the time. Somehow, I've always known it (the titles of the original trilogy).
So this is good news, combine this with the promising Rebels tv series, and things are looking up for the films.
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There's a nice simplicity to the title. And it could be worse, and we should feel lucky they didn't name it "Star Wars VII: Jar-Jar Binks Strikes Back!"
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There's a nice simplicity to the title. And it could be worse, and we should feel lucky they didn't name it "Star Wars VII: Jar-Jar Binks Strikes Back!"
Yea I feel a 70s vibe over the title for some reason.
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My initial thoughts were, "Well, at least it's a better title than 'Attack of the Clones'."
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another good thing about this title is, John Williams is definitely going to have to give the Force Theme a prominent role in the score. (You know, the one that plays over the Tatooine sunset, Darth Vader's funeral pyre, the Throne Room ceremony, as well as dozens of other scenes in the trilogy)
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(https://i60.tinypic.com/vq1uvr.jpg)
:lol
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1) I hate the title.
2) I understand it cuz it "fits" the way the titles are done... cheesy and obvious so it's not *that* bad.
3) I'm ok with this "format" of title as long as the movies themselves aren't the same style as the rest. I want energy and intensity and cool shots that Lucas would never go for in the old movies. I want the new movies to be differently-shot from the old ones in the same way the new Star Trek movies were compared to the old ones.
Could we get an Episode VII-specific (spoilers) thread? I'd love to talk Star Wars stuff but I'm really going to try my best to not see anything for VII before it comes out. I hate spoilers. This thread can stay for Rebels/EU discussion. Pretty please?
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I think it's a pretty shitty title, but oh well. It's just Star Wars.
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No "Episode VII" in the logo.
I noticed that. Maybe because they're going to keep making Star Wars movies, they want to eliminate the numbers and just go with the subtitle, as the Star Trek movies have since the TNG era to separate them from the original cast movies.
I'm on the fence about the name. It's not amazing, but it's certainly not the worst SW movie title (Attack of the Clones, seriously?), and it's far better than every single made up rumoured title I've heard until now, so it's nice to see all of those debunked at least.
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Like it, I do.
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I think it's a pretty shitty title, but oh well. It's just Star Wars.
Star Wars and good titles are not he best bedfellows but it's better than the last three titles.
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Man the day the first teaser or trailer for the move comes out along with JW new theme/score, that could be a bit emotional.
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Man the day the first teaser or trailer for the move comes out along with JW new theme/score, that could be a bit emotional.
Rumor is the first teaser trailer should hit before year's end.
Maybe with The Hobbit?
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Honestly, I thin every single Star Wars movie title is pretty silly, which is precisely what gives them that Star Wars vibe. This new title is defferent from that because I feel that it's not silly enough to sound like proper Star Wars movie. So whatever title they choose is fine by me. It doesn't affect my excitement for the movie itself the slightest.
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I must be in the minority, because I feel that most of the titles are good. I think that The Phantom Menace is an incredible title.
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Honestly, I thin every single Star Wars movie title is pretty silly, which is precisely what gives them that Star Wars vibe. This new title is defferent from that because I feel that it's not silly enough to sound like proper Star Wars movie. So whatever title they choose is fine by me. It doesn't affect my excitement for the movie itself the slightest.
I preferred " A New Hope "'s original title of " Star Wars " :neverusethis:
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Honestly, I thin every single Star Wars movie title is pretty silly, which is precisely what gives them that Star Wars vibe. This new title is defferent from that because I feel that it's not silly enough to sound like proper Star Wars movie. So whatever title they choose is fine by me. It doesn't affect my excitement for the movie itself the slightest.
I preferred " A New Hope "'s original title of " Star Wars " :neverusethis:
I certainly did. It will always be Star Wars to me.
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To me it's 'A New Hope', but that's just because I have no personal ties to anything from before that. And I find it inconsistent to think of it as just 'Star Wars' when all the other ones get episode numbers and sub-titles.
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I sill think they should have gone with: The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the "Journal of the Whills" Saga I: Star Wars
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If I could have titled it I'd call it: The New Republic
We had The Old Republic and it was The Current Republic when it died when Palpatine took over and we had the Rise of The Empire and then 4-6 was the Fall of The Empire. Or, perhaps IX will be called "The New Republic" cuz that's what I'd like to see them working towards along with a new Jedi Council.
What would you guys have titled VII if you could?
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What would you guys have titled VII if you could?
Hard to say without knowing the story.
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Why would you even
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Star Wars Episode VII: The Rodent's Cashgrab
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Episode VII: Electric Boogaloo
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Tackleberry learns to use the force, and Zed is tempted to the dark side
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Tackleberry learns to use the force, and Zed is tempted to the dark side
And Steve Guttenberg is in a movie for the first time in a million years.
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Tackleberry learns to use the force, and Zed is tempted to the dark side
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Tackleberry learns to use the force, and Zed is tempted to the dark side
And Michael Winslow replaces Ben Burtt as sound designer.
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Star Wars Episode VII : Mission To Moscow.
Tackleberry learns to use the force, and Zed is tempted to the dark side
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
That didn't hurt.
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Heard some good ones on the radio, but of course can only remember one: Episode VII: I'm Getting Too Old for This Sith
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:facepalm: :rollin
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Heard some good ones on the radio, but of course can only remember one: Episode VII: I'm Getting Too Old for This Sith
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/dannyglover_zps986f094c.jpg)
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:lol
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Y'all heard it a million times but maybe not entirely to the end though. The last couple of bars on The Throne Room/End Title is pure joy for the percussion section. Brute force with 3 snare drums playing rolls as loud as humanly possible (Not really but pretty damn close).
https://youtu.be/0Ca5A-7wy_A?t=7m29s
Love it! :metal
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Heard some good ones on the radio, but of course can only remember one: Episode VII: I'm Getting Too Old for This Sith
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/dannyglover_zps986f094c.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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teaser trailer debuts Friday, November 28th at select theaters. :corn
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And debuts shortly thereafter on youtube.
Most anticipated movie of all time (or at least since Ep 1)?
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And debuts shortly thereafter before on youtube.
Everything leaks to the youtubez first. Exhibit A: Avengers 2 trailer. Exhibit B: Jurassic Park trailer.
I predict we'll get it sometime tomorrow.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwVRYEQG_I
my mouth dropped. this is way more than I was expecting. and so good. this is way more exciting than the TPM trailer was in 1998.
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Not a bad fake... almost had me with the current Mark Hammil shot. It was uploaded two days ago. Some of those shots I'd seen in other fakes.
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So, it's going to be Friday on iTunes or whatever.
If it actually requires iTunes to watch a trailer, I'll just wait until someone uploads it on Youtube.
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This really fooled me as well. I'm still not sure...because where did the Hamill shot come from???
But ya, a lot of people are saying it's fake.
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This really fooled me as well. I'm still not sure...because where did the Hamill shot come from???
But ya, a lot of people are saying it's fake.
It's definitely fake. https://kotaku.com/fake-star-wars-force-awakens-trailer-is-most-impressiv-1663605122
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Ok....it's fake.
That still doesn't answer the question of where this person got the motion shot of Hamill in full on Jedi garb. Who is this guy? And how did he get that footage?
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Ok....it's fake.
That still doesn't answer the question of where this person got the motion shot of Hamill in full on Jedi garb. Who is this guy? And how did he get that footage?
It's not that hard to create footage from scratch with a few image/video elements. I've seen plenty of these fake trailer type videos done that way.
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I'm just gonna say it. So far, Rebels is terrible, and that makes me super sad panda.
The animation is fantastic but the characters all blow and I don't know how to feel about this... I guess hugely disappointed.
Crappy stories. Moron Force-sensitive kid. Stupid musclehead alien.
But the biggest fail is the garbage Jedi. He must have the midichlorian-count of a rock. He's so weak and useless and is a terrible example for the moron Force-sensitive kid.
There's just no magic. I don't care about any of these characters. I really hope it gets better. I hate talking crap about art but I just had to vent.
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As much as I loved the first few episodes, I have just been too busy to keep up.
I felt like it was "Star Wars meets Firefly" and I really think it works. I certainly hope the episodes don't trail off after the first few.
It's certainly a MILLION times better than the prequels. I *do* think it has "the Star Wars magic", and I hope it keeps going.
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I guess I'm sort of glad it's fake. it'll keep the mystery for a little longer. I was wondering why it had Darth Vader's breathing at the end, and the emperor's cackle. there were enough elements like the Hamill shot and the Ford dialogue that I was fooled though.
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I guess I'm sort of glad it's fake. it'll keep the mystery for a little longer. I was wondering why it had Darth Vader's breathing at the end, and the emperor's cackle. there were enough elements like the Hamill shot and the Ford dialogue that I was fooled though.
I think Han's "war horse" line is taken from Anchorman 2.
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Tomorrow is the day and it kind of hit me today what a huge thing that trailer will be. It's a first glimps of a new Star Wars movie dammit!!!!!! Fuck i'm excited!!!! :metal
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Excited as hell for the sequel trilogy. The prequels were good and I enjoyed them a lot, but I'm far more interested in what happens after Episode VI. Can't wait for the trailer!
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It's here!!
https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/
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It's up!
https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/
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Looks good. The tone is right. Nothing too much in there that spoils it or makes me worry. It's a trailer for old fans really, I think. They wanted this to be reassuring.
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YouTube link for those averse to QuickTime: https://youtu.be/OMOVFvcNfvE
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It's up!
https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/
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Looks good. The tone is right. Nothing too much in there that spoils it or makes me worry. It's a trailer for old fans really, I think. They wanted this to be reassuring.
Yea I agree. Even though i've heard it a million times hearing the main theme just made me all giddy inside!
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Dat millenium falcon shot.
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Dat millenium falcon shot.
It bugged me how the camera was sideways as it was coming to the ground, but the MF itself looked gorgeous. It all looked very film-y in colour grading. I liked it.
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It's up!
https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/
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Looks good. The tone is right. Nothing too much in there that spoils it or makes me worry. It's a trailer for old fans really, I think. They wanted this to be reassuring.
Sort of. I can definitely see how it'd be reassuring the old fans, as it definitely feels like classic Star Wars, but what impressed me was how the trailer didn't actually include any of the heroes of the OT, save for the Falcon at the end. We got a few shots of several of the new characters instead, which I think indicates how confident J.J. and Co. are about the main cast of this new trilogy.
Dat millenium falcon shot.
Dude, pls. Dat X-Wing Fleet over the water shot. :hefdaddy
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It's up!
https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/
edit: ninja'd!
Looks good. The tone is right. Nothing too much in there that spoils it or makes me worry. It's a trailer for old fans really, I think. They wanted this to be reassuring.
Sort of. I can definitely see how it'd be reassuring the old fans, as it definitely feels like classic Star Wars, but what impressed me was how the trailer didn't actually include any of the heroes of the OT, save for the Falcon at the end. We got a few shots of several of the new characters instead, which I think indicates how confident J.J. and Co. are about the main cast of this new trilogy.
It was too brief to really read too much into it, but I think they're holding off on showing the original characters for a trailer close to the release date. They'll probably want to keep everything about their roles secret as long as possible, and they've still got their biggest drawcard for the next trailer, rather than blowing their load all at one.
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Was cool seeing the Millenium Falcon but it tingled a bit more seeing the X-Wings if I may say so myself.
Edit: On second thought, it was awesome seeing the MF and equally awesome seeing the X-Wings man i'm pumped!!
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That light saber was p cool. One of the things I always brought up was that there was no defense for the hand holding the saber, and now they've got it. It's just common sense really.
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That light saber was p cool. One of the things I always brought up was that there was no defense for the hand holding the saber, and now they've got it. It's just common sense really.
It might make it more dangerous for the person holding it though, since you could probably rotate your wrist wrong and slice your own hand off. Same could be said for the double ended saber though. I like the idea of someone being good enough with a saber to have something even a bit more dangerous.
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I think it's the TIE fighters that make it seem more like Star Wars than anything else. That screaming noise they make is what gives me chills in the trailer.
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That light saber was p cool. One of the things I always brought up was that there was no defense for the hand holding the saber, and now they've got it. It's just common sense really.
It might make it more dangerous for the person holding it though, since you could probably rotate your wrist wrong and slice your own hand off. Same could be said for the double ended saber though. I like the idea of someone being good enough with a saber to have something even a bit more dangerous.
Maybe they've got A ROBOT HAND ALREADY...
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Sexy screencap:
(https://i.imgur.com/cqm3mZs.jpg)
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That trailer made my day. Holy crap!
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(https://i.imgur.com/iPvih8g.png)
"WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT"
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lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/iPvih8g.png)
"WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT"
I thought that same thing :lol
Cool preview though. I wasn't expecting to see any of the original cast and even joked to my brothers yesterday that there'd be a light saber and millineum falcon flying. :lol You can't expect too much at this point....but that was cool enough for now.
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:lol
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:lol
Loved the preview!
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(https://i.imgur.com/iPvih8g.png)
"WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT"
My first thought as well :lol
Let the year long anticipation boner begin!!!!!!
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I guessed the first shot would be Tattoine.
It opens on a desert so it could well be.
But I wasn't far off.
Great teaser. I might actually go see it. :neverusethis:
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Looks like Star Wars, sounds like Star Wars. Wonder if it will feel like Star Wars.
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I liked the trailer I guess. But that first shot of the guy popping into the screen made me think I was watching a comedy-parody-ish thing. And that light sabre looked a bit goofy, didn't love that. It would have a shot beyond bad-ass would it only have been a normal one.
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The trailer was fine, but I'm not losing my shit over it or anything though.
And that light sabre looked a bit goofy, didn't love that. It would have a shot beyond bad-ass would it only have been a normal one.
Agreed. To me it felt kind of gimmicky, like they wanted to do something different just for the sake of doing something different, but what evs. If the movie is badass, then I'll forget about the nitpicking real fast.
Now begins a year of anticipation
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It was cool. Not enough footage to know whether it's by-the-numbers sci-fi or not.
But I'm excited to see more. I'm wondering what the point is of that flaming hilt though... Looks kinda weird. If that's the new norm of sabers then...eh.
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don't know if anyone noticed, the guy who posted the trailer on Reddit (not saying he was the first on the internet, but anyway on Reddit where a lot of people find their stuff) has a username of ZiltoidZTO. That's not anyone here, is it?
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Am I the only one who thought it looked incredibly fake? Almost like a video game.
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I wonder if older fans are more excited about this than younger fans?
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Not aimed at anyone here in particular...it's all over Facebook and various sci-fi sites as well...but I'm getting really sick of the "hyper-critical" attitude people have towards just about anything. There will be a single flippantly positive sentence ("I thought it was cool...but...") followed by a small paragraph (or several) about everything that was wrong with it or how lame something was, or what they should have done.
Makes me feel even more confident about my decision to make The Jammin Dude Show all about the cool stuff, and to just not even bring up the negative.
(of course, the irony of criticizing the critical is not lost on me....and is even partially intentional for the sake of the humor of it all. :xbones )
It's all good people.
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Am I the only one who thought it looked incredibly fake? Almost like a video game.
Yes.
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It didn't look any worse than most new CGI-heavy movies these days. The worst part about the trailer (aside from that stupid-looking lightsaber...) was that it's just a collection of images with seemingly no purpose other than to tell us 'Hey, it's STAR WARS!' No indication of plot or characters. Very much a teaser, but at this point, that's about all we should expect.
Other than that, I thought it was good. Better than the Jurassic World trailer/teaser at least.
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It didn't look any worse than most new CGI-heavy movies these days.
That's probably why it looked more fake to me; I've only seen one movie since 2012.
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Holy.Shit. That has me pumped up like I've never been for Star Wars. Jesus fuck I need to see this movie.
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a
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I looooove the lightsaber, it's a pretty great idea honestly, what with hands potentially getting chopped off. Wonder if he can turn on just the hilts and not the full blade too, that would be a rad weapon as well.
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Not aimed at anyone here in particular...it's all over Facebook and various sci-fi sites as well...but I'm getting really sick of the "hyper-critical" attitude people have towards just about anything. There will be a single flippantly positive sentence ("I thought it was cool...but...") followed by a small paragraph (or several) about everything that was wrong with it or how lame something was, or what they should have done.
Agree 100%.
Am I the only one who thought it looked incredibly fake? Almost like a video game.
Can you pin point what made you think it looked fake?
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Awesome trailer :metal
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(https://i.imgur.com/pKXtQbD.gif)
Darth Radnasty :metal
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(https://i.imgur.com/iPvih8g.png)
"WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT"
:rollin
Trailer was great. :tup
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The x-wings over water are so fucking sick.
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:caffeine:
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Wallpaper time :D
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-11-28-13-08-41_zps4beninkq.png)
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The x-wings over water are so fucking sick.
Yea that was sweet!
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The x-wings over water are so fucking sick.
Yea that's was sweet!
I loved every single shot. I love the opening, I love the bot, I love the speeder, I love the X-wings, I love the hilted light-saber, I love the villain, I love Cumberbatch's narration, I love the look of all the ships, I love the camera angles on the MF.... This trailer is 100% WIN!!!
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The x-wings over water are so fucking sick.
Yea that's was sweet!
I loved every single shot. I love the opening, I love the bot, I love the speeder, I love the X-wings, I love the hilted light-saber, I love the villain, I love Cumberbatch's narration, I love the look of all the ships, I love the camera angles on the MF.... This trailer is 100% WIN!!!
Ayup.
everything one should want/expect from a 12-month advance trailer.
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X-Wings, TIE fighters, Millennium Falcon, Lightsaber 2.0, Stormtroopers and of course JWs main theme all in one teaser trailer. Seriously what more could any long time SW fan want?
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X-Wings, TIE fighters, Millennium Falcon, Lightsaber 2.0, Stormtroopers and of course JWs main theme all in one teaser trailer. Seriously what more could any long time SW fan want?
+ a funky new droid.
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I'm curious if in this "Non-EU" timeline of events if Luke even tried to start a new Jedi academy. Before even reading the books, I always figured that's what he was going to try and do. I'm so curious to see how things played out and what potentially went wrong.
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While this new trailer is better, the "international" one from a few days ago looks kinda the last Star Trek movie. I'm expecting a cross-over by Abrams soon.
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While this new trailer is better, the "international" one from a few days ago looks kinda the last Star Trek movie. I'm expecting a cross-over by Abrams soon.
you mean this (fake/fan-made) one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwVRYEQG_I
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You can tell fan made ones as they throw in everything to appear " genuine ".
Like : A JJ Abrams Film
LUCASFILM
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
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This may be the first SW film I go see at the cinema since TPM. Which I only went to see as my local cinema had it on opening day - which was f---ing rare for my town and I went with school buddies.
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I don't expect to see it in the new movie because that's just not an aesthetic that seems in demand anymore in SciFi movies, but what I really miss from the original SW movies is the "believable dirt". That is, in stark contrast to say Star Trek, where every surface, every appliance looks like you just unboxed it, in the original SW movies everything was old, grimy and beaten up. And I loved that. It's a bummer they can't (or won't) reproduce that for the new movies.
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I don't expect to see it in the new movie because that's just not an aesthetic that seems in demand anymore in SciFi movies, but what I really miss from the original SW movies is the "believable dirt". That is, in stark contrast to say Star Trek, where every surface, every appliance looks like you just unboxed it, in the original SW movies everything was old, grimy and beaten up. And I loved that. It's a bummer they can't (or won't) reproduce that for the new movies.
This is funny because I just read a long ranted complaint somewhere about how everything looked too dirty.
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In the original movies, or the new ones?
I mean, they *try* in the new movies, but it's mostly CGI, and it's exactly the area where CGI fails the most.
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In the new trailer. They thought that with all the new technology, things should look newer. I know, I know...but then again...it's the internet.
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I don't expect to see it in the new movie because that's just not an aesthetic that seems in demand anymore in SciFi movies, but what I really miss from the original SW movies is the "believable dirt". That is, in stark contrast to say Star Trek, where every surface, every appliance looks like you just unboxed it, in the original SW movies everything was old, grimy and beaten up. And I loved that. It's a bummer they can't (or won't) reproduce that for the new movies.
This short trailer mostly showed the CG stuff, but there's a lot of practical effects in this movie, and it looks like they did a good job of adding the dirt to the CG elements to match (the trailer is so compressed, those details won't show up as well).
They built a full size Millennium Falcon with full weathering, and real X-wings, and the practical R2D2 for this movie looks more banged up than ever. I think you'll change your mind once you see the movie itself.
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Ooh, that sounds great!
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Looks awesome! I have no issues with this trailer in the slightest. I'm pumped. And the whole lightsaber issue people are talking about? One thing I've learned through years of studying sword play, is that a sword is only as good as the person wielding it. I'm sure that fantastical character lurking in the woods is written to not fuck up and cut his own wrists or stab himself. Last few Star Wars movies I saw, I didn't see too many Jedi fumbling with their lightsabers and roflcutting their own heads off. Take into consideration who's wielding it, it works just fine.
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Ooh, that sounds great!
Yeah, lots of entire sets were built for the movie.
This is kind of a long watch (20 minutes) and it's potato quality, but the audio is fine enough. Kevin Smith talks about walking onto the Millennium Falcon set and bursting into tears because of the childhood emotions it dug up. He tells it wonderfully, and it's a great watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApGfervszM
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Now that's a fucking teaser trailer :metal
From Adam Driver's voiceover...to those X-iIngs flying over the water.... And the Falcon....that glorious Millennium Falcon flying with the Star Wars theme....I'm so amped!!!!
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It's a really small detail, but I really love that little rolling droid. It must be some of the most humble, yet genuine, CGI I've seen in a long time. Also very much in tune with the vibe of the Star Wars universe.
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OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!!
I can't stop thinking about the Millennium Falcon shot! I tried to view this without expectations but now I can't stop jumping for joy in my nerdiness!
One year? Nooooooooooooo....
Please can we have two threads, one with spoilers and speculations, and one spoiler-free that only talks about what we know in officially released materials?
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Please can we have two threads, one with spoilers and speculations, and one spoiler-free that only talks about what we know in officially released materials?
I think that's probably a good idea somewhere down the line, but right now we don't really know anything about this movie, there'd be nothing to put in a spoiler-thread at the moment.
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I feel like I'm the only person on Reddit who actually digs the hilt of the new lightsaber. Practicality, who cares? It's a sci-fi movie and there's definitely some technobabble explanation for it out there.
All in all though, fantastic trailer, super pumped in a way I haven't been since I was disappointed by the prequels.
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I feel like I'm the only person on Reddit who actually digs the hilt of the new lightsaber. Practicality, who cares? It's a sci-fi movie and there's definitely some technobabble explanation for it out there.
I don't think it needs any more technobabble than a regular lightsaber, and they've also had more impractical lightsabers. Forget practicality, it's something new that's pretty cool without being too over the top or too different to what we've had before.
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Yea I think the lightsaber looks badass!
Someone said though that the hilt they use is pretty unpractical because the hilt in itself is to prevent a sword from chooping off your hand when it slides on your sword but because the two lasers are uprised from the handle it would just cut through.
With that said I don't relate Star Wars with practicality anyway and also i've never seen lightsabers slide on eachother in a fight so yea...
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I always figured there were techniques to avoid getting your hands cut off by 'sliding'. Unless you're Count Dooku.
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Now that's a fucking teaser trailer :metal
From Adam Driver's voiceover...to those X-iIngs flying over the water.... And the Falcon....that glorious Millennium Falcon flying with the Star Wars theme....I'm so amped!!!!
That's not Adam Driver on the voiceover.
Early rumors were that it is Benedict Cumberbatch, but I have heard that it is Andy Serkis.
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That teaser trailer was fantastic. I haven't seen the first 6 films in years, but I am going to watch this one. It will likely be great.
THOSE X-WINGS.
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Now that's a fucking teaser trailer :metal
From Adam Driver's voiceover...to those X-iIngs flying over the water.... And the Falcon....that glorious Millennium Falcon flying with the Star Wars theme....I'm so amped!!!!
That's not Adam Driver on the voiceover.
Early rumors were that it is Benedict Cumberbatch, but I have heard that it is Andy Serkis.
Some people are speculating it's Max von Sydow as well.
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It doesn't really sound anything like Max Von Sydow.
Serkis is being "confirmed" by Collider and Hit Fix.
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I've also heard Serkis as the the most reliable culprit. Without knowing many of the roles in the movie, I'm not sure it reveals too much at this stage either way. The trailer did a good job of generating discussion without giving up much at all.
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I am supposed to wait another year for this!?
Damn, that was awesome! I loved that scene with the X-wings flying over water. One more year to go!
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I've also heard Serkis as the the most reliable culprit. Without knowing many of the roles in the movie, I'm not sure it reveals too much at this stage either way. The trailer did a good job of generating discussion without giving up much at all.
Yes it was perfect for a teaser. It didn't reveal or withhold too much.
Plus the slight pause then then MF intro was great.
I'm a trekker and I thought it was awesome.
JJ is clearly better suited to SW.
It looks like the OT and absolutely fuck all like the PT.
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I thought the point of the lightsaber was obvious: it looks badass.
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I always figured there were techniques to avoid getting your hands cut off by 'sliding'. Unless you're Count Dooku.
Yea that's probably true, I mean they ain't Jedis for nothing.
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They've established that light saber "blades" aren't just laser beams, but focused energy constructs. That's why they have a finite length, and why they cannot pass through each other. In a practical sense, it's because Lucas wanted the fights to be like sword fights visually, but most people have figured that part out. But the part that never worked for me was the lack of hilts, and now they've addressed that. Those little guys on the hilts will stop the opponent's blade from sliding down and taking off your hand because their blade will stop. We have seen the blades sliding up and off of each other; it's not too great a stretch to figure they go the other way.
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:lol At least it's not Darth Grevious with his 4 lightsabres. That shit was dumb.
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They've established that light saber "blades" aren't just laser beams, but focused energy constructs. That's why they have a finite length, and why they cannot pass through each other. In a practical sense, it's because Lucas wanted the fights to be like sword fights visually, but most people have figured that part out. But the part that never worked for me was the lack of hilts, and now they've addressed that. Those little guys on the hilts will stop the opponent's blade from sliding down and taking off your hand because their blade will stop. We have seen the blades sliding up and off of each other; it's not too great a stretch to figure they go the other way.
But because the laser beams are uprised from the handle wouldn't they just cut through?
(https://i.imgur.com/pKXtQbD.gif)
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:rollin I seriously cannot fathom how much of the internet chatter about the trailer is about that one fucking shot.
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Seriously it's sort of embarrassing. I mean the teaser didn't really give anything but that is what people are going to talk about?
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:rollin I seriously cannot fathom how much of the internet chatter about the trailer is about that one fucking shot.
It's pretty funny....I tried to explain it to my father in law yesterday.....the debate over the hilt on the light saber......he looked at me as if he wanted to beat me silly in the hopes my pain would reach everyone involved in the discussion...
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Maybe this Sith is simply a Christian?
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There seems to be a large number action movie tropes/cliches which concerns me.
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Seriously it's sort of embarrassing. I mean the teaser didn't really give anything but that is what people are going to talk about?
Are you really that surprised?
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Maybe this Sith is simply a Christian?
I saw Debra complaining about that on Facebook, and thought WTF. It's a sword shape. Are swords a Christian thing?
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If anything it's an upside down cross.
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Maybe this Sith is simply a Christian?
I saw Debra complaining about that on Facebook, and thought WTF. It's a sword shape. Are swords a Christian thing?
That's what gave me the idea for the joke.
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Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens Official Teaser Trailer REACTION!!! (https://youtu.be/PFKDbIyqOjg?t=55s)
:lol
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Maybe this Sith is simply a Christian?
I saw Debra complaining about that on Facebook, and thought WTF. It's a sword shape. Are swords a Christian thing?
That's what gave me the idea for the joke.
Ah, gotcha! :tup
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The biggest complaint people come up with is "WELL IF HE MESSES UP HE'LL SLICE HIS HAND OFF WEH"
I'm pretty sure somebody who uses that would be trained or have trained themselves not to do that.
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(https://t.co/MdNTIJQhdX)
Millenium Falcon shot stabilised. :tup:
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:tup
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They've established that light saber "blades" aren't just laser beams, but focused energy constructs. That's why they have a finite length, and why they cannot pass through each other. In a practical sense, it's because Lucas wanted the fights to be like sword fights visually, but most people have figured that part out. But the part that never worked for me was the lack of hilts, and now they've addressed that. Those little guys on the hilts will stop the opponent's blade from sliding down and taking off your hand because their blade will stop. We have seen the blades sliding up and off of each other; it's not too great a stretch to figure they go the other way.
But because the laser beams are uprised from the handle wouldn't they just cut through?
(https://i.imgur.com/pKXtQbD.gif)
They're not laser beams!
Okay, but I think I get your point. The little "hilt beams" are projected from generators mounted on the sides, which could just be sliced through by the opponent's beam.
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I didn't think about the whole 'sliding/hand protection' deal, that totally makes sense now.
But the real plot twist of this movie is gonna be that this badass dude in the shot is secretly a lumberjack, wanting to rid that planet of all it's trees.
"IT'S TREE CUTTIN' TIME!" *vwoom*
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They've established that light saber "blades" aren't just laser beams, but focused energy constructs. That's why they have a finite length, and why they cannot pass through each other. In a practical sense, it's because Lucas wanted the fights to be like sword fights visually, but most people have figured that part out. But the part that never worked for me was the lack of hilts, and now they've addressed that. Those little guys on the hilts will stop the opponent's blade from sliding down and taking off your hand because their blade will stop. We have seen the blades sliding up and off of each other; it's not too great a stretch to figure they go the other way.
But because the laser beams are uprised from the handle wouldn't they just cut through?
(https://i.imgur.com/pKXtQbD.gif)
They're not laser beams!
Okay, but I think I get your point. The little "hilt beams" are projected from generators mounted on the sides, which could just be sliced through by the opponent's beam.
But laserzzzzz! :blob: Sry, your right though.
A detail I don't really care about but it's fun nerding out on details though. :)
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Whatever I may think about the light sabre design, I must say that it is an absolutely beautifully composed shot. Props to both Abrams for that directing and to the actor who just completely nails that bad ass walk and the movements.
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Definitely. I've been staring at that gif for a while.
Consequently, I now have an erection.
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Whatever I may think about the light sabre design, I must say that it is an absolutely beautifully composed shot. Props to both Abrams for that directing and to the actor who just completely nails that bad ass walk and the movements.
Yeah, I want to 2nd that.
That shot is beautiful beyond words. Menacing, dark and badass all in one moment. LOVE IT. This dude is not to messed with.
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Yea it's a really cool shot!
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I didn't think about the whole 'sliding/hand protection' deal, that totally makes sense now.
But the real plot twist of this movie is gonna be that this badass dude in the shot is secretly a lumberjack, wanting to rid that planet of all it's trees.
"IT'S TREE CUTTIN' TIME!" *vwoom*
I never wanted to be a Sith. I wanted to be a Lumberjack!
(https://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/anfscd-lumberjack.png)
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:lol
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That teaser was awesome!
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The Lego version....
https://youtu.be/qpfWrh1scZU (https://youtu.be/qpfWrh1scZU)
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Lol....
(https://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/53/48/499c07a042876c1b70174aae9832d89e.jpg)
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Sith Army Knife :neverusethis:
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(https://i.imgur.com/Gkuqtr1.jpg)
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If anything it's an upside down cross.
Darth Varg?
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The Lego version....
https://youtu.be/qpfWrh1scZU (https://youtu.be/qpfWrh1scZU)
That made my day.
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I'm not sure how this could be considered a spoiler, but humans are little bitch twats sometimes, so
IF YOU'RE A BITCH TWAT, THIS IS A SPOILER FOR YOU.
(Relates to the voice in the trailer)
Andy Serkis is the narrator in the trailer (https://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-force-awakens-trailer-voiceover-andy-serkis/).
Fucking awesome. What a guy! I'm excited to see who he plays.
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The Force Awakens trailer - George Lucas special edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng)
Really well done. :lol
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The Force Awakens trailer - George Lucas special edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng)
Really well done. :lol
That was cool :D
Sith Army Knife :neverusethis:
I've figured out who's under the hood now........
(https://www.doghouseboxing.com/images/Mike_Tyson_icheehuahua/Mike_Tyson_Darth_Vader.jpg)
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The Force Awakens trailer - George Lucas special edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng)
Really well done. :lol
OMG
So many talented people out there, man, one day and look at this crazy shit!
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The Force Awakens trailer - George Lucas special edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng)
Really well done. :lol
"The dark side and trade negotiations." :biggrin: :lol
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The Force Awakens trailer - George Lucas special edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng)
Really well done. :lol
:lol so true
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(https://i.imgur.com/NQIdqfe.jpg)
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Crazy lens flare version...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuUiENIuPI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuUiENIuPI)
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Was waiting for that ::)
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While we're at it:
Teaser recreated in Skyrim (https://youtu.be/_wG85KudI0M)
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Crazy lens flare version...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuUiENIuPI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuUiENIuPI)
Would probably still go see it. :lol
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Great trailer! Love that they kept to the OT feel of things.
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Great trailer! Love that they kept to the OT feel of things.
I imagined JJ would. He's a fan first and knows what other fans want.
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Mike Stoklasa has done a Plinkett review.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEdgPFoBjY
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Whatever I may think about the light sabre design, I must say that it is an absolutely beautifully composed shot. Props to both Abrams for that directing and to the actor who just completely nails that bad ass walk and the movements.
After looking at the GIF and getting to see the shot multiple times, I just realized that either (1) there is a lot of post-production that needs to be done to clean up the fact that the dude looks like he has huge holes in his torso, or (2) the dude actually has huge holes in his torso; thus, he is a droid.
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
I knew something was nagging me....
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Oh well.
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After looking at the GIF and getting to see the shot multiple times, I just realized that either (1) there is a lot of post-production that needs to be done to clean up the fact that the dude looks like he has huge holes in his torso, or (2) the dude actually has huge holes in his torso; thus, he is a droid.
I don't see any holes??
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Yeah, I don't either.
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
Ok.
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
Ok.
:clap:
Great addition to the topic Kotow.
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After looking at the GIF and getting to see the shot multiple times, I just realized that either (1) there is a lot of post-production that needs to be done to clean up the fact that the dude looks like he has huge holes in his torso, or (2) the dude actually has huge holes in his torso; thus, he is a droid.
I don't see any holes??
You mean other than when you can see right through him and see the forest in front of him where you should instead see his torso?
(https://i.imgur.com/bMX7Eb3.png)
Watch again and look right when he starts to crouch over.
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I'm pretty sure that's just a belt.
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Just watched the gif a few times, I would guess that it's a cape of sorts that's flapping in the wind, showing the shiny leather vest or coat or whatever underneath.
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
Oh snap... that 20th Century horn-section, followed by the utter silence of 'A long time ago...', then the blast of the opening theme - they all go hand in hand (imo). It's definitely gonna feel different.
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I know, right?? I didn't even think about it till Hef pointed it out. Thanks Hef, now my day is fucked....
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Star Wars is now officially dead to me.
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I'm pretty sure that's just a belt.
Could be, but that isn't how it looks to me. I guess we will find out eventually.
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I know, right?? I didn't even think about it till Hef pointed it out. Thanks Hef, now my day is fucked....
Glad I could help.
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I know, right?? I didn't even think about it till Hef pointed it out. Thanks Hef, now my day is fucked....
Also, there is no Santa Claus.
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Santa was killed with that lightsaber.
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You mean other than when you can see right through him and see the forest in front of him where you should instead see his torso?
Watch again and look right when he starts to crouch over.
Yeah I suspected that those were the "holes" you meant. But I also naturally assumed they were reflections on a belt as well.
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Santa was killed with that lightsaber.
By the Grinch.
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Santa was killed with that lightsaber.
By the Grinch.
Darth Grinch? It does sound like a George Lucas villain.
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
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Ok.
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Great addition to the topic Kotow.
:clap: You too.
I was doing a "Hef". :lol
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I'm pretty sure that's just a belt.
Could be, but that isn't how it looks to me. I guess we will find out eventually.
I zoomed in on it and it's 100% a belt.
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I suppose that having the equally nostalgic Disney fanfare could soften the blow of no longer having the Fox fanfare.
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I imagined JJ would. He's a fan first and knows what other fans want.
I never like that rationale for filmaking. Being a fan doesn't necessarily mean you are going to make a superior film. Bringing your potential biases in to it can be a good thing, but it can be a bad thing as well. Art needs to have some level of objectivity.
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Moving on from "is it a hilt or is it a sub-textual religion reference!?" to "is it a hole or is it a belt!?"
This is DTF, mofos. Love it.
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I imagined JJ would. He's a fan first and knows what other fans want.
I never like that rationale for filmaking. Being a fan doesn't necessarily mean you are going to make a superior film. Bringing your potential biases in to it can be a good thing, but it can be a bad thing as well. Art needs to have some level of objectivity.
You are right that being a fan doesn't necessarily mean one is going to make a superior film. However, it can be a good indicator that, because of one's fandom and love for the original films, he will have a respect for the legacy of those films and would do his best to try to do justice to that by making good films going forward. And if he has the talent to back that up, isn't that all fans could really ask for? Doesn't desire to do justice to the films' legacy plus ability to make quality films equate to good potential for a positive result?
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While we're at it:
Teaser recreated in Skyrim (https://youtu.be/_wG85KudI0M)
My favourite bit was the Millenium Falcon. :lol
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Moving on from "is it a hilt or is it a sub-textual religion reference!?" to "is it a hole or is it a belt!?"
This is DTF, mofos. Love it.
At least it's not the TOOL forum. They'd count how many seconds the trailer lasts and see if it is divisible by 666.
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Oh, I actually was saying that I love it. That wasn't sarcastic.
Also, I just saw that tattoo... Yeesh. Couldn't even wait? What if in the next scene that dude gets stomped on by some crazy Star Wars monster? Or what if he smashes into a wall and explodes? Or if that's his only scene? He's a cool little dude, it's just.... Eh. I'm not sure why I'm surprised. Rabid fans of any sci-fi flick are the absolute worst. :lol
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You are right that being a fan doesn't necessarily mean one is going to make a superior film. However, it can be a good indicator that, because of one's fandom and love for the original films, he will have a respect for the legacy of those films and would do his best to try to do justice to that by making good films going forward. And if he has the talent to back that up, isn't that all fans could really ask for? Doesn't desire to do justice to the films' legacy plus ability to make quality films equate to good potential for a positive result?
Case Closed. :bosky:
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I'm pretty sure that's just a belt.
Could be, but that isn't how it looks to me. I guess we will find out eventually.
When playing the video back in YouTube, select the Settings button and lower the playback speed down to 0.25 during that section. It's pretty clear that it's a belt.
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…because of one's fandom and love for the original films, he will have a respect for the legacy of those films and would do his best to try to do justice to that by making good films going forward.
And how did that work out for Eps 1-3?
…And if he has the talent to back that up…
Yeah, if :p
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Yeah, I'm not sure Lucas meets either criteria. He respects his ever-changing vision of what the legacy of the films should be, but does not seem to have much (if any) regard for how others value the legacy of the films. And what he does not seem to get is that, ultimately, the legacy of the films is determined by the fans, not the creator.
And the talent/ability to create good films...well, need I go any further? :lol
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JJ pretty much knows what he wants / thinks Star Wars to be.
Whereas - in the end - I don't think George Lucas even knew what he wanted SW to be.
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Whereas - in the end - I don't think George Lucas even knew what he wanted SW to be.
He did. It just changed drastically over time. :) *
I fully agree with Bosk. I was being sarcastic that Lucas being the franchise's #1 fan would enable him to make the best possible SW film. Your point about the fans dictating the legacy is spot on.
I've said this before, but Nick Meyer is largely credited with saving the Star Trek franchise with Wrath of Khan after the mixed reception of TMP, and he knew nothing about Trek going in, other than it had a guy with pointy ears. So it can work both ways.
And I just don't hold Abrams' work at the elevated level other people do. Nothing he has done has impressed me much, but that is limited to his big screen work.
Carry on.
* Noticably analagous to Gene R and Star Trek. It is both fortunate and a little sad that Paramount basically uninvited Gene to be involved in Trek movies post-TMP. Sad that it was necessary, fortunate as Gene had lost touch with Trek and his creative juices had diminished over time. He, like Lucas, are greatly creative and imaginative. Not talented screenwriters and/or directors.
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JJ pretty much knows what he wants / thinks Star Wars to be.
Yep, he even tested it twice on Star Trek movies. :P
Both Lucas and Roddenberry were visionaries who created great franchises, but both lost their way and became a bit stubborn about it being their way in the end.
Oh, I actually was saying that I love it. That wasn't sarcastic.
Also, I just saw that tattoo... Yeesh. Couldn't even wait? What if in the next scene that dude gets stomped on by some crazy Star Wars monster? Or what if he smashes into a wall and explodes? Or if that's his only scene? He's a cool little dude, it's just.... Eh. I'm not sure why I'm surprised. Rabid fans of any sci-fi flick are the absolute worst. :lol
I don't think it's exclusively a scifi thing, but it's pretty sad. If you're going to get something permanently inked onto your body, give it some damn thought first, at least wait until you've seen the movie. Maybe the robot ends up being the new Jar Jar. Then how would you feel? I think the idiot just wanted to get in first, without thinking it through. At least it's a pretty well done tattoo.
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Also, I just saw that tattoo...Or what if he smashes into a wall and explodes? Or if that's his only scene?
The robot/droid would become the Charlie Dominici of the SW Universe
Yes, I know we poke fun at Charlie's tattoo, not that he was actually a tattoo himself... but the analogy made me chuckle
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Yeah, definitely not a sci/fi exclusive thing, I was just poking fun. Any rabid fans are the worst, really; at least when they're daft enough to get a tat so quickly when they've seen a minute long trailer with a split-second image of a character.
That said, I am looking forward most to seeing all the new flora and fauna of the SW universe in a new light.
Also, rumors of Serkis playing MULTIPLE mo-capped characters!? The man is insanely talented, I could see it happening. I've really come to respect how the mo-cap...er...'genre' (?) works and watching him behind the scenes shows that it's truly a grueling, time-consuming process.
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Yeah, definitely not a sci/fi exclusive thing, I was just poking fun. Any rabid fans are the worst, really; at least when they're daft enough to get a tat so quickly when they've seen a minute long trailer with a split-second image of a character.
My thought was, worst-case scenario, the Empire is racially cleansing and that droid is out to kill that black stormtrooper. Then that tat guy would totally be an ass.
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Yeah, definitely not a sci/fi exclusive thing, I was just poking fun. Any rabid fans are the worst, really; at least when they're daft enough to get a tat so quickly when they've seen a minute long trailer with a split-second image of a character.
My thought was, worst-case scenario, the Empire is racially cleansing and that droid is out to kill that black stormtrooper. Than that tat guy would totally be an ass.
:rollin
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Blizzard just posted this on twitter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ydxz9CAAAhVhr.jpg)
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I just realized something awful.
Since Disney will distribute these films from now on, we will no longer get the 20th Century Fox fanfare before the main title music.
:(
Yeah, this was one of the first things that went through my mind when I heard about the Disney acquisition. Gonna feel strange, no doubt.
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Opening with the Disney castle this time, I feel like I will subconsciously take this movie less seriously than I would have otherwise.
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Same here.
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I don't think it's exclusively a scifi thing, but it's pretty sad. If you're going to get something permanently inked onto your body, give it some damn thought first
Like this guy (https://media.syracuse.com/news/photo/2012/11/11934195-large.jpg)?
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Blizzard just posted this on twitter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ydxz9CAAAhVhr.jpg)
Okay...because there is something original or exclusive about an evil looking dude holding a sword in a snowy forest? I would think an image like that has been done hundreds of times. That doesn't somehow diminish that the SW scene still looks cool.
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So what? They're just wearing their influences on their sleeves!!
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Well, yeah. That's my point. If that image is supposed to "prove" something, I don't get it. It's a big "so what?" as far as I'm concerned.
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Mine was slightly sarcastic, as you might have guessed, since that's the default counter-argument to DT's "influences" ;D
I don't care either way really. But I can also see people being familiar with the game scene doing a "wtf".
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I thought the point was that they made that image in 'honor' of the new trailer? I have absolutely no knowledge of Blizzard or any of their games, but that can't be a real sword in a real game can it?
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Word has it the movie score will also heavily rip of Muse.
amidoinitrite?
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It's a parody (or homage, depending on your point of view), the original Frostmourne (the sword in the picture) does not have the silly blades in the hilt.
(https://fc09.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/156/6/6/Frostmourne_by_TheOnlyBezo.png)
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Pretty sure the picture Blizzard posted was just like a homage or a small wink wink. Nothing bigger than that.
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
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Pretty sure the picture Blizzard posted was just like a homage or a small wink wink. Nothing bigger than that.
Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure Blizzards didn't intend to knock the film.
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Is there a lot of extra work to make a web page available outside the US, or do some people just hate the rest of us?
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy (https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy)
Is there a lot of extra work to make a web page available outside the US, or do some people just hate the rest of us?
It has to do with licensing and distribution agreements, which can get very complicated when dealing internationally.
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
:rollin That is amazing.
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Okay, I buy it. :tup
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Is there a lot of extra work to make a web page available outside the US, or do some people just hate the rest of us?
I can see it just fine from Spain
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Childhood un-ruined. Phew, that was a close one
But in all seriousness, that's an excellent explanation. Love it.
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LORD COLBERT HAS SPOKEN! ALL IS WELL!
I mean... that's a reasonable explanation.
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Is there a lot of extra work to make a web page available outside the US, or do some people just hate the rest of us?
I can see it just fine from Spain
But can you see Russia from your house?
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*snip*
wrong thread....
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Weird character names for a Star Wars film. :biggrin:
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Weird character names for a Star Wars film. :biggrin:
Ah my bad!!!
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But can you see Russia from your house?
Only on clear days
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Here's a YT link for anyone that can't watch the other link:
https://youtu.be/zk9hd950-9I
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Yes, that is a logical explenation. But doesn't adress the reason I don't love the new design, which no logical explenation can. I simply am not crazy about the design itself, no matter how practical.
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Colbert explains the lightsaber....
https://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
Here's a YT link for anyone that can't watch the other link:
https://youtu.be/zk9hd950-9I
That was awesome :lol And it's a pretty good explanation as well!
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https://t.co/JOv622XqoT
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It's always nice to have some more details, although the names don't tell us much. On the other hand, it's a bit interesting that they didn't list Finn and Rey's last names as they did the others.
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It's always nice to have some more details, although the names don't tell us much. On the other hand, it's a bit interesting that they didn't list Finn and Rey's last names as they did the others.
*Prays to god that there aren't any Solo / Leia / or even Luke kids*
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Is it too nerdy of me that I recognized the red borders as homage to the second series Topps cards from 1977?
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Will Star Wars Episode VII make more money worldwide than Avatar ( $2.8bn )
I can't really see one movie making $3bn in one go at the box office. Plus Avatar had the 3D ticket price to hike it up.
I can imagine the trilogy making more than Avatar combined but not from one film.
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I can't really see one movie making $3bn in one go at the box office. Plus Avatar had the 3D ticket price to hike it up.
I couldn't see one movie making $2.8 billion either, but Avatar did it. And you don't think this new Star Wars will be offered in 3D?
I'm not making any predictions, because you never know, but if I were ever to bet on any movie breaking the record, this would be the one. Most anticipated film of all time, in my estimation.
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At the very least, it should crack $1 billion. The new movie will definitely be released in 3D, but it will be post-converted, so I don't know how that may affect the 3D ticket sales.
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At the very least, it should crack $1 billion. The new movie will definitely be released in 3D, but it will be post-converted, so I don't know how that may affect the 3D ticket sales.
The price is the same either way, and the general masses don't know the difference anyway. No effect.
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At the very least, it should crack $1 billion. The new movie will definitely be released in 3D, but it will be post-converted, so I don't know how that may affect the 3D ticket sales.
The price is the same either way, and the general masses don't know the difference anyway. No effect.
3D costs more here, but you're probably right.
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The difference is that Avatar had all the hype of 3D as a new technology, and it was (the first?) shot in 3D, so it truly made it groundbreaking. Couple of things are needed to make a movie generate that much $$$. A) Repeat views. Something in the movie has to make people want to go back and see it again. B) Getting all demographics to see it. Star Wars has those going for it. Phantom Menace cracked $1B in an age without 3D. So, I can see Ep VII easily getting $1B, maybe surpassing $1.5B.
I really don't know what the tangibly greater appeal that Titanic and Avatar had that make them the only two films crack the $2B mark - and it's not even close after that... Avengers at $1.5B-ish
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It's always nice to have some more details, although the names don't tell us much. On the other hand, it's a bit interesting that they didn't list Finn and Rey's last names as they did the others.
*Prays to god that there aren't any Solo / Leia / or even Luke kids*
Daisy Ridley's character, Rey, is almost definitely either a Solo or Skywalker. Her look in the new trailer was even largely inspired by unused concept art of fem!Luke from the 70's.
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TPM only cracked $1bn after it was re-released in post converted 3D. It didn't make it on its original run.
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TPM only cracked $1bn after it was re-released in post converted 3D. It didn't make it on its original run.
Keep in mind that was 15 years ago now, and it still made over $900m in its original run. 900m back then would probably be at least equivalent to 1 billion now.
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It's a really small detail, but I really love that little rolling droid. It must be some of the most humble, yet genuine, CGI I've seen in a long time.
So apparently the reason I felt this way is because that little droid (or BB-8 now I guess), isn't even CGI. So that's cool.
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It's a really small detail, but I really love that little rolling droid. It must be some of the most humble, yet genuine, CGI I've seen in a long time.
So apparently the reason I felt this way is because that little droid (or BB-8 now I guess), isn't even CGI. So that's cool.
Wait what? How?
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It's a really small detail, but I really love that little rolling droid. It must be some of the most humble, yet genuine, CGI I've seen in a long time.
So apparently the reason I felt this way is because that little droid (or BB-8 now I guess), isn't even CGI. So that's cool.
Wait what? How?
Duh, they just hired a droid. :loser:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/14/mark-hamill-says-star-wars-the-force-awakens-bb-8-is-a-prop-not-cgi
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Some rumors about the upcoming Star Wars: Battlefront. It's supposedly linked with The Force Awakens in some areas, that's why I thought it belongs in this thread. Again rumors so take it with a grain of salt.
https://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/tons-star-wars-battlefront-rumors-links-star-wars-force-awakens/
The story of Star Wars: Battlefront’s campaign will span pretty much the entire Star Wars saga.
That sounds a bit to ambitious but if so pretty damn cool.
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It's a really small detail, but I really love that little rolling droid. It must be some of the most humble, yet genuine, CGI I've seen in a long time.
So apparently the reason I felt this way is because that little droid (or BB-8 now I guess), isn't even CGI. So that's cool.
Wait what? How?
It might be a practical effect - augmented by CGI - for example it might be on an arm that has been removed in post production.
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Mark Hamill said it was all practical, and that he they let him 'play around' with it once or something.
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Or, you know, it's remote controlled. Like how they used to do robots for about two decades before CGI became the rage :lol
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Or, you know, it's remote controlled.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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If it's remote controlled - i'd like to see how it articulates since it looks like a rolling ball with another ball on top that stays up right.
I'm guessing it's two dome shaped "wheels" attached to an upside down T shape with the head on top.
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Poor ol' Harrison's hurt himself again. Was piloting this..........serious injuries,not life threatening.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_XwPMaWIAItJgs.png:large)
PS Hmmm.......could be critical depending on who you read :-\
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Son says he's okay :tup
https://twitter.com/ChefBenFord?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.com.au%2Fentertainment%2Fbooks-magazines%2Fharrison-ford-injured-in-vintage-fighter-plane-crash%2Fstory-fn9412vp-1227250780001&tw_i=573649772583591937&tw_p=tweetembed
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He's been involved in three crashes now...one he wasn't pioloting....two he was.....a helicopter and now this. I'd say it's time to re-think the whole 'I wanna be a piolot' dream Mr. Ford. No need to go dying like that.
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Rumour has it he's been hanging around with bout to crash - I suggest he choose his company more carefully ;D
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Rumour has it he's been hanging around with bout to crash - I suggest he choose his company more carefully ;D
:facepalm:
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Yep - need to turn that filter back on ::)
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Rumour has it he's been hanging around with bout to crash - I suggest he choose his company more carefully ;D
wut
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Rumour has it he's been hanging around with bout to crash - I suggest he choose his company more carefully ;D
wut
It was a pun.
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So, Star Wars: Episode VIII release date is May 2017.
Also, first SW offshoot single film release to be named Star Wars: Rogue One, in December 2016.
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Excite I am
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Cool stuff. I still have my doubts about the stand-alone movies, but I am very excited for the future 'Episodes'.
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Out of nowhere thought: Has Lucas detailed exactly why he made each change to his movies? Saying the original releases weren't finished is not what I mean. Has he, as a director, explained the changes he made and why, to him, that makes those scenes better?
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The only one I remember that he's specifically addressed is the "Han shot first" issue. He said that in the first movie, Han was a badass renegade, certainly not above shooting some bounty hunter if it meant he gets out of there alive. But over the course of the trilogy, he becomes a hero as much as Luke and the others, and he had trouble with Han shooting a guy in cold blood like that. So he changed it to make Greedo shoot first.
This of course inadvertently reveals what we've suspected all along: that Lucas didn't have some "grand plan" in mind for the trilogy or six or nine films as he's said at various times. Also, damn, the original re-edit was horrible. For a professional bounty hunter, Greedo was a horrible shot. The version out there now is almost believeable, but still pretty bad.
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Out of nowhere thought: Has Lucas detailed exactly why he made each change to his movies? Saying the original releases weren't finished is not what I mean. Has he, as a director, explained the changes he made and why, to him, that makes those scenes better?
I think he didn't have the technology to make one actor (Greedo) shoot before another actor (Han Solo). I could say I don't care about his changes. They are in the past. Except they weren't. The ROTJ Darth Vader "Nooo" just made the whole release a waste. Can't we just get the cleaned up print and special FX that are just improved, not changed, just for one nice BluRay release?
But hopefully that is a thing of the past now.
I bolded probably the most frustrating one. I mean as a director you must realize how injecting that into the scene completely undoes how powerful the original was, right?
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Saw something on Facebook about a new trailer today. Any truth to that, I thought it was supposed to premiere at Avengers.
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Saw something on Facebook about a new trailer today. Any truth to that, I thought it was supposed to premiere at Avengers.
Apparently the theater premiere will be with Avengers.
It is expected to debut today for the crowd at Star Wars Experience in Anaheim. People assume that it will then land online later today.
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Ahhh gotcha, thanks hef :tup
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I'm sorry but FUCK YEAH:
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Official Teaser #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs)
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Nice trailer !! Like the original movies but modern.
Great flying scenes but wtf :lol - the exact same chase scene from Into Darkness !
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Fuck yes :metal
My heart is racing
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I'm sorry but FUCK YEAH:
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Official Teaser #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs)
:tup :tup :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :metal :metal
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I am officially excited now. For a trailer, that was great. I LOVE the crashed x-wing and star destroyer on what I presume is Tatooine. I do wonder why our storm trooper friend is always sweating profusely every time we see him.
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Desert planet is "Jakku".
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I curious what the story is with that badass looking stormtrooper
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I curious what the story is with that badass looking stormtrooper
Overcompensating for the stormtrooper that bonked his head on the bulkhead in ep. IV.
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OH GOD THE HYPE
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GOOSEBUMPS!!
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Needs more lense flare.
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Needs moar lense flare.
I modernized your post like Star Wars. :biggrin:
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Awesome stuff! Super excited for this movie.
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Looks awesome. Great Chewbacca scene. I wonder - is Luke covered guy with R2D2? He has a metallic hand, so it would fit.
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I've not seen it mentioned yet :
"My father HAS it. Not HAD "
Also STFU about lens flare for fucks sake. JJ didn't invent it and he's not the only director to ever use it.
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You know, it's weird. When I watch the original trilogy, Harrison Ford is obviously much younger than he is in recent films, but to me he doesn't look like Harrison Ford; he just looks like Han Solo, because that was the first role I really knew him in.
Over the nearly 40 years in between, Harrison Ford has aged a lot, and in a way, doesn't really look like Han Solo. When I see him in later stuff, I sometimes have trouble even reconciling that it's the same guy.
Seriously, does this guy:
(https://i.imgur.com/gSTaifE.png)
look like this guy?
(https://i.imgur.com/Q37Z8I6.png)
I have a little trouble with that. But this guy:
(https://i.imgur.com/iBv2aHP.png)
I mean, that's Han Solo. Older, but he actually looks like the same guy.
I have no idea what the point of this is, other than that I'm excited. Han was the coolest.
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Desert planet is "Jakku".
How do you know?
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Desert planet is "Jakku".
How do you know?
It's all over Twitter from the press conference.
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Desert planet is "Jakku".
How do you know?
It's all over Twitter from the press conference.
Oh, okay. I don't have Twitter.
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Looks awesome. Great Chewbacca scene. I wonder - is Luke covered guy with R2D2? He has a metallic hand, so it would fit.
Combined with Luke's voice over saying "I have it" over that clip, I'd say it's pretty certain. Unless they're trying to trick us.
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I cried.
A lot.
I love Star Wars but I had no idea how much until this trailer. The emotions hit me so hard. I recommend watching the trailer from the audience POV from Celebration. Experiencing the crowd reactions adds another level of awesome.
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Looks awesome. Great Chewbacca scene. I wonder - is Luke covered guy with R2D2? He has a metallic hand, so it would fit.
Combined with Luke's voice over saying "I have it" over that clip, I'd say it's pretty certain. Unless they're trying to trick us.
Agreed. And the "my sister has it" I presume that to be Leia handing that lightsaber to a new upcoming student.
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Looks awesome. Great Chewbacca scene. I wonder - is Luke covered guy with R2D2? He has a metallic hand, so it would fit.
Combined with Luke's voice over saying "I have it" over that clip, I'd say it's pretty certain. Unless they're trying to trick us.
Agreed. And the "my sister has it" I presume that to be Leia handing that lightsaber to a new upcoming student.
Yep, and dunno if it's already confirmed, but also certainly strongly implied he was talking to his son/daughter, who presumably will be one of the main protagonists.
Great trailer!
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I've not seen it mentioned yet :
"My father HAS it"
Yeah what's that about? While watching the trailer I thought it would be Luke talking, but when he said that I figured it couldn't be. But it is, isn't it?
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I've not seen it mentioned yet :
"My father HAS it"
Yeah what's that about? While watching the trailer I thought it would be Luke talking, but when he said that I figured it couldn't be. But it is, isn't it?
Over thinking a bit? It's the line from Jedi, word for word. Just because you're dead doesn't mean you no longer have the Force.
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Love the trailer. Love Star Wars.
My only worry is that they undo too much of the Episode 6 Grand Finale.
Undo what?! :lol
Good guys win. Bad guys arise from the ashes of defeat! Game on!
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Excuse me for what I'm about to say but that's just dumb.
The will be people with the gift of "The Force". Some will always use it for bad and will arise as dark lords. That's life man.
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Some will always use it for bad and will arise as dark lords.
It's almost like you actually work in my office.
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Send the retainer.
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I do wonder why our storm trooper friend is always sweating profusely every time we see him.
You try walking around all day in that suit.
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I do wonder why our storm trooper friend is always sweating profusely every time we see him.
You try walking around all day in that suit.
Only if you wear Princess Leia's Jabba's palace costume. :eyebrows:
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...Harrison Ford is obviously much younger than he is in recent films, but to me he doesn't look like Harrison Ford; he just looks like Han Solo...
In a similar way, it is amazing that he played two of the most iconic action movie characters of all time (Han and Indiana Jones) at a overlapping period, and managed to make both of them unique characters, without necessarily looking like either of them. A large part of that is due to wardrobe, but still. In different hands, these guys would come across as much similar. Imagine Nicolas Cage in these two roles. You would see him as Han Solo, and think "Hey, it's Nicolas Cage, he played Indiana Jones."
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Imagine Nicolas Cage in these two roles.
Do I have to? :lol
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Imagine Nicolas Cage in these two roles.
I liked the National Treasure movies.
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The will be people with the gift of "The Force". Some will always use it for bad and will arise as dark lords. That's life man.
Dark Jedi, but not Sith. Totally different things.
BTW, the Empire isn't in ashes. The Empire was still very strong. It just lost their emperor (which was more about him consolidating power for himself than making the Empire itself strong). If rebellions can take years/decades on earth, galactic rebellions could rage for decades/centuries. So I have no problem with the Empire still being very strong.
The Jedi Counsel fell apart as well and it rose from the ashes so why can't the Empire with a new dark Lord?
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So all is lost with the death of the top 2 Sith Lords? I think you are looking to much into it. Let's bet on bad ass dude with the force does evil and decides he wants to rebuild the Empire. Seems plausible. I think you are making things to hard.
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So all is lost with the death of the top 2 Sith Lords? I think you are looking to much into it. Let's bet on bad ass dude with the force does evil and decides he wants to rebuild the Empire. Seems plausible. I think you are making things to hard.
This.
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You just make it sound like it's preposterous that the Empire and the Sith could not rebuild since The Emperor and Darth Vader died. I say you're wrong in your believe that it couldn't be rebuilt.
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Ben did not live a thousand years. It didn't take that long for the Sith to take over. I just don't get how these movies can "undo too much of the Episode 6 Grand Finale" Those are your words.
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So I thought there was some gimmick for BB-8 or something. Nope.
BB-8 comes out on stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_K10fX9DSY)
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Great flying scenes but wtf :lol - the exact same chase scene from Into Darkness !
That's no surprise to me, since he was trying to turn Star Trek into Star Wars. :biggrin:
But I thought the same thing watching the new trailer.
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Not sure if anyone's noticed this, but the new good guys (Rebels) are called "The Resistance" and the new bad guys (Empire) are called "The First Order"
Also, I'm a little late to the party, but holy shit. I'm sooooooo hyped on this now! Can't effing wait :metal
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That trailer was badass!! This is easily my most anticipated film of the year.
Also, can't wait for the Star Wars Battlefront reveal!
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So I thought there was some gimmick for BB-8 or something. Nope.
BB-8 comes out on stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_K10fX9DSY)
Wooo that's awesome. Has to be some kind of magnet right?
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I've not seen it mentioned yet :
"My father HAS it"
Yeah what's that about? While watching the trailer I thought it would be Luke talking, but when he said that I figured it couldn't be. But it is, isn't it?
Over thinking a bit? It's the line from Jedi, word for word. Just because you're dead doesn't mean you no longer have the Force.
Someone said it's sampled from RotJ, you can even hear Vader after the first line if you turn up the volume.
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Ben did not live a thousand years.
That's nice. Let me know what thread you are reading, because it isn't this one.
It didn't take that long for the Sith to take over.
I'm now guessing you've never seen Star Wars? The only question is whether it was 1000 years or 1000 generations. Did you miss the whole Episode 1 where it talked about the Sith finally revealing themselves? They were in the shadows waiting to properly strike. It took more than one Sith Master to make it that far. That was kind of told in Ep. 3 with Plagueis the Wise speech.
I just don't get how these movies can "undo too much of the Episode 6 Grand Finale" Those are your words.
Yup. Those were my words. Once again, not sure what your point is here.
BB-8 comes out on stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_K10fX9DSY)
Very cool. The video it went to after that with most of the original crew in Anaheim was very cool as well.
Puuuuleaaase. I haven't seen Star Wars?! :lol
All I'm saying is your worries are unfounded. And now I question if you actually saw the movies. You surmise everything in your mind as truths. Far from it. So what if some Sith decides that he wants to bring back the Empire and wants to become the new Emperor? That's going to ruin the movie for you? How about that's exactly what's going to happen and we'll see it's infancy and blossom over the following 2 movies.
That seems very possible.
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Just don't bring back "Vader". He was the subject of the previous SIX films.
I heard that Disney threw out George's script for Episode VII and wrote a completely new one.
That's good because
I. His writing is awful
II. They might want something fresh and new & his ideas might have included old characters that we don't need to see again.
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Yeah, no Vader. It's the passing of the torch for both the Jedi & the Sith. The continuing battle of good verses evil. The new visuals in the trailer look stunning. Just the thought of a Star Cruiser destroyed and where it fell to was chilling. Now, the storyline........
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Has anyone here seen both A New Hope & The Phantom Menace in cinema upon original theatrical release ?
Star Wars was the year before I was born but I went to see Phantom Menace on release day with some
friends and we were pretty non-plussed ;D
Even as 20 year olds who love sci fi we could tell it was bad.
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I saw Phantom Menace at the cinema when I was 15 and thought it was dreadful.
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I did. I saw Star Wars 7 times as an 8 & 9 year old. Phantom Menace only once. :lol
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Calvin,
Why do you think the point of RotJ was to destroy the Sith? That's what happened, sure (well the Banite variety of Sith anyway), but wasn't the major point of the movie the struggle for freedom and the minor point the redemption of Anakin Skywalker...good finally won out, against all odds. Or, the point of the show also could have been to get Carrie Fisher into that costume.
Why would it seem far fetched for someone who is powerful with The Force to take up the mantle of Sith Lord. Maybe visit and ancient Sith stronghold or some such. Create a new organization with new methods that still hold to the Sith creed.
I don't get why you would draw a line in the sand and set yourself up for disappointment without giving the writers a chance to have it make sense.
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Has anyone here seen both A New Hope & The Phantom Menace in cinema upon original theatrical release ?
Yep.
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Someone said it's sampled from RotJ, you can even hear Vader after the first line if you turn up the volume.
Why would you hear Vader? Luke says that line when he talking to Leia before he goes to turn himself in.
Unrelated, I saw a video talking about the trailer and "Vader's crushed skull." :lol 1. That's his helmet. 2. His body and suit were both burned so it's melted, not crushed.
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Has anyone here seen both A New Hope & The Phantom Menace in cinema upon original theatrical release ?
I have.
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Someone said it's sampled from RotJ, you can even hear Vader after the first line if you turn up the volume.
Why would you hear Vader? Luke says that line when he talking to Leia before he goes to turn himself in.
Unrelated, I saw a video talking about the trailer and "Vader's crushed skull." :lol 1. That's his helmet. 2. His body and suit were both burned so it's melted, not crushed.
Oh :lol Well I don't now, when you listen you do hear a Vader kind of echo, maybe that's intended for the trailer though or it's just a coincidence.
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Yeah, I saw The Phantom Menace, along with the rest of the Prequel Trilogy, during its original theatrical release. I also got to see A New Hope on the big screen around the same time TPM was originally released too. It was awesome.
The new trailer is amazing. Honestly, it's one of the best trailers I have ever seen. :hefdaddy
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I'm a little weary of this new filming fad where action scenes have to look like they are being filmed by a handheld. Not just shaky cam, but now with the whole zooming in thing too (seen in this trailer as the TIE Fighter follows the Falcon into the ship wreckage). Maybe it's been around for a while, but I've only really started noticing it over the past 3-4 years.
Maybe it's not a bad thing, but lately noticing it has been taking me out of the film experience rather than immersing me more.
Also, about what I said about Darth Vader's helmet, apparently there's a debate over whether fire should've been able to melt it. So there are conspiracy theories and whatnot.
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Do we even know what material Darth Vader's helmet was made of? I always assumed it was a heavy polymer of some kind. If it were made of metal, it would be really heavy. Vader's helmet looked more or less like the regular Storm Trooper helmet, only black. It's certainly plausible that they'd have blaster-resistant polymers, but they'd still melt in a bonfire.
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JET FUEL DOES NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT DARTH VADER'S HELMET!
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Even within the confines of the EU (which is where most of the Sith lore lies), which doesn't really count, the Rule of Two was not the origin of the Sith. Darth Bane established that rule, some time after there were already Sith Lords.
The Sith Lords were originally Dark Jedi (whatever the hell that means - again, it's EU, which doesn't matter).
So there is no reason why there couldn't arise other Dark Jedi who found a new Sith Order of some kind. And if so, there is no reason to think that they would have to continue with the Rule of Two. That obviously didn't work out so well.
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In 97 I saw Star Wars a new hope in theaters. This was my first viewing of any star wars movie and I was around 8 years old. Enjoyed it and then absolutely fell in love with Empire and Jedi, and just watched them over and over and over. I was truly obsessed.
Watched Phantom menace in theaters when It came out. Thought it was pretty dumb even at age 10. It just didn't feel right and probably was my first meh moment. Since that day, I've seen it maybe 3 times total.
Saw AOTC in theaters and really hated it, and still hate it.
Saw ROTS in theater and actually really liked it. It definitely has some real dumb ass parts, but overall I still really like it, but no where near the old trilogy.
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JET FUEL DOES NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT DARTH VADER'S HELMET!
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I saw Phantom in theater when it was released. I wasn't really a Star Wars fan at the time (I was 10 and had only seen bits of A New Hope) but I did fall in love with...
Natalie Portman :hearts:
JET FUEL DOES NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT DARTH VADER'S HELMET!
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Holy shit
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Chewie, were home.
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We aint found shit
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Even within the confines of the EU (which is where most of the Sith lore lies), which doesn't really count, the Rule of Two was not the origin of the Sith. Darth Bane established that rule, some time after there were already Sith Lords.
The Sith Lords were originally Dark Jedi (whatever the hell that means - again, it's EU, which doesn't matter).
So there is no reason why there couldn't arise other Dark Jedi who found a new Sith Order of some kind. And if so, there is no reason to think that they would have to continue with the Rule of Two. That obviously didn't work out so well.
All of this!
My inner geek is tingling right now.
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I've not seen it mentioned yet :
"My father HAS it. Not HAD "
I keyed on that too, but what really piqued my interest was the "You have that power too" part. Which seems to me that whoever he's talking to might be a new family member ......
As far as the HAS part, I could see him saying that about his father that has moved on (Dead in this realm). I mean, they can commune with them in the next realm, so are they really dead? I'd say no, so HAS would be appropriate.
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Although it has been said several times already in this thread, that is a direct quote from ROTJ (except the last line). The dialog goes:
Luke: If I don't make it back, you're the only hope for the Alliance.
Princess Leia: Luke, don't talk that way. You have a power I don't understand and could never have.
Luke: You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force runs strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And... my sister has it. Yes. It's you, Leia.
Princess Leia: I know. Somehow, I've always known.
It sounds like they just recut it for TFA to reflect the younger Skywalker that we already have known for quite some time is a central character in this film.
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They have children, the children have the force. I know that was the books but I'll assume since they are all older that's where they are going.
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Well, yeah, we know the one that we have seen in the trailers is an adult, so...
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Well, yeah, we know the one that we have seen in the trailers is an adult, so...
I'm only guessing but Han is 20+ years older so.....
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Which site figured out the comb thing. Is it legit? If so, its amazing
loved spaceballs almost as much as star wars proper
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I thought it was photoshopped do I need to watch again. :lol
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Guys, I'm scared. If they over-reference the OT, it would really be annoying and could make for a really bad movie. (e.g. Leia and Han having an "I love you"-"I know" exchange or something. A "Tashi station" reference could be funny though.)
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Guys, I'm scared. If they over-reference the OT, it would really be annoying and could make for a really bad movie. (e.g. Leia and Han having an "I love you"-"I know" exchange or something. A "Tashi station" reference could be funny though.)
I think that a little bit of it might be inevitable, but if JJ is smart he will keep it to a minimum.
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The TOS referencing in Star Trek 2009 was the perfect amount.
ST2009 was a great film and easily the best ST for some time.
And JJ clearly wanted to make SW the whole time so he doesn't
have to pretend anymore. He can actually make a SW film.
Potentially the best SW movie.
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I thought it was photoshopped do I need to watch again. :lol
:lol
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Guys, I'm scared. If they over-reference the OT, it would really be annoying and could make for a really bad movie. (e.g. Leia and Han having an "I love you"-"I know" exchange or something. A "Tashi station" reference could be funny though.)
I think that a little bit of it might be inevitable, but if JJ is smart he will keep it to a minimum.
Agreed. I mean think of it, he had a bit of nostalgia in Star Trek, then fucking blew up Vulcan. :lol
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CONFIRM !!!!!
JJ will BRING BACK ALDERAAN !!!! :omg: :omg:
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CONFIRM !!!!!
JJ will BRING BACK ALDERAAN !!!! :omg: :omg:
Dude.... :lol
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I can't wait to see this character to tear shit up
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Second trailer was awesome, can't wait for the movie!
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I can't wait to see this guy tear shit up
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I heard that that wasn't a "guy". It's the actress that plays Brienne on Game of Thrones.
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Watching Phantom Menace.
Jar Jar just showed up...
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I can't wait to see this guy tear shit up
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I heard that that wasn't a "guy". It's the actress that plays Brienne on Game of Thrones.
Yup, that's believed to be Captain Phasma, Finn's former superior and the person in charge of hunting him down after his defection at the start of the film. I'm hoping they keep her alive through out the rest of the trilogy, so she can be the badass that Boba Fett never fulfilled his promise on being.
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Guys, I'm scared. If they over-reference the OT, it would really be annoying and could make for a really bad movie. (e.g. Leia and Han having an "I love you"-"I know" exchange or something. A "Tashi station" reference could be funny though.)
I think that a little bit of it might be inevitable, but if JJ is smart he will keep it to a minimum.
Agreed. I mean think of it, he had a bit of nostalgia in Star Trek, then fucking blew up Vulcan. :lol
But the difference is he gives a shit about Star Wars! I think you'll be ok! :lol
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If it was posted before, then I apologize.. but the Matthew McConaughey reaction video is pretty darn spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHdQUyOunA
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Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
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Even though it's not confirmed, I have an idea that Adam Driver is playing Kylo Ren....do ya'll think Lupita Nyong'o is this badass Captain Phasma stormtrooper?
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99% percent sure Driver is Kylo Ren. I believe its been heavily rumoured that Gwendoline Christie is playing Captain Phasma, whereas Lupita Nyong'o is playing a motion capture character. I think her character was actually seen in the new trailer as she hands of Anakin / Lukes lightsaber to either Rey or Leia.
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Oh shit I had forgotten that she was in the movie! I approve if she is Captain Phasma!
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Even though it's not confirmed, I have an idea that Adam Driver is playing Kylo Ren....do ya'll think Lupita Nyong'o is this badass Captain Phasma stormtrooper?
Lupita is playing a small orange alien that is currently codenamed "Rose." You can briefly see her in the new trailer, handing the lightsaber to Leia.
No, I'm not making this up.
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First Audience Reaction Audio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoIwy-FKr7Y)
I don't know it just feels warm hearing people getting excited about something. When you think about how incredibly popular the early movies still are and the fact that we haven't seen Harrison Ford in a Star Wars movie for over 30 years and probably never expected it to either makes it all even more warming and of course he's not the only returning character so for a medium fan as myself (meaning I love the movies but i'm not well-versed in the lore and everything that comes being a "real" fan) it's really awesome to see but for a proper Star Wars fan it must be complete heaven at the moment.
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I just want the Plinkett review ;D
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Potentially interesting story about how Mark Hamill felt "forced" (ha!) into being in Star Wars VII. I found it on Yahoo! Finance, which struck me as odd at first, then I realized how appropriate it is, since Star Wars is all about the money.
DA LINK (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mark-hamill-felt-forced-returning-040117082.html)
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Throughout most of my youth, the word was that there would be nine episodes, of which IV through VI were the "middle" trilogy. This was not the original line. Star Wars was originally a standalone flick. There was eventually a trilogy, but just to fuck with us, Lucas decided that they were episodes IV through VI. The subtitle "A New Hope" suggested that things were turning around, and this fit in with the idea that it was all part of a much larger story. By the early 80's, it was common knowledge that there would ultimately be nine movies. That's what Lucas had said. Then after he finally made the prequel trilogy, he changed his tune and said that that was it. He even implied that that's how it's always been, despite the fact that many people remember hearing that there would eventually be nine, not just six.
So... with Star Wars, what people have "always" said and/or "always" believed depends on when you asked them. The story and overall vision has changed at least twice.
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So... with Star Wars, what people have "always" said and/or "always" believed depends on when you asked them. The story and overall vision has changed at least twice.
I am firmly of the opinion that in between the time that he originally wrote the story, and the time he started writing Phantom Menace, Lucas was just making it up as he went along, and there was never an overarching vision at all.
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I am firmly of the opinion that in between the time that he originally wrote the story, and the time he started writing Phantom Menace, Lucas was just making it up as he went along, and there was never an overarching vision at all.
I disagree. Lucas' official hashtag since the '70s has always been #ItsAllConnected.
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Well, he can say it's all connected and still have no idea how it all connects.
I think Lucas saw how "A New Hope" could easily be part of a larger story, something about how Luke, the son of a famous and powerful Jedi, ends up becoming the new hope for the future, but had no idea how it would all work. He had to figure that part out later.
The problem is that what he came up with was so much weaker than what a lot of other people had imagined in the meantime. I think that that's at least partly due to the fact that there are some serious Star Wars maniacs out there, some of whom are pretty imaginative guys, and Lucas probably spent maybe a few hours coming up with the story. Those other guys had 20 years.
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From what I remember, over 60% of what he wrote for the prequels when into Episode III and he changed quite a bit that he originally mapped out.
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Bringing in outside writers who knew what they were doing with sci-fi probably saved the original trilogy.
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I always figured Lucas wasn't lying about the intention to make this large overarching story, but he never actually wrote anything for the prequels/7-9. He probably just had a few ideas here and there but nothing solid.
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The original Star Wars scripts used to circulate on the Internet; they've probably since been taken down. Anyway there was a lot written that took place before the events of A New Hope, but none of it made it into the prequels. A lot was written that took place after A New Hope, too, and none of it made it into The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. I doubt any of it will end up in the new sequels either, because by now it's probably logically inconsistent and- aside from all that- it was really pretty boring; whatever ends up actually being in the sequels will probably be much better.
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I still don't think the prequels were all that bad. Consider the scenario where the original trilogy did not even exist. Episode I would have easily achieved a strong fan base and Star Wars would still be a big deal.
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I completely disagree. The only reason the movies were as successful as they were was that they had the Star Wars label. Otherwise they would've been easily forgotten like many other mostly CGI action/adventure movies nowadays.
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Bringing in outside writers who knew what they were doing with sci-fi probably saved the original trilogy.
It could have also destroyed it. Ever read Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye? It was originally considered as a possible sequel to A New Hope. The book is just awful. I mean make sure you don't have a razor blade or some rope near you when you read it awful.
I would give it a bit more slack. From what I understand, the writer was given certain parameters that drastically limited the story. I heard it was commissioned by Lucas to create an extremely low budget, and very low special effects sequel it Star Wars performed poorly at the box office.
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I completely disagree. The only reason the movies were as successful as they were was that they had the Star Wars label. Otherwise they would've been easily forgotten like many other mostly CGI action/adventure movies nowadays.
I agree. Episode I is almost unwatchable, and Ep II is literally laughable with how comically bad it is. Those movies would be a footnote if not for the Star Wars name being attached to them.
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I completely disagree. The only reason the movies were as successful as they were was that they had the Star Wars label. Otherwise they would've been easily forgotten like many other mostly CGI action/adventure movies nowadays.
I agree. Episode I is almost unwatchable, and Ep II is literally laughable with how comically bad it is. Those movies would be a footnote if not for the Star Wars name being attached to them.
And I'm on the other side of the coin. The faults are greatly exaggerated because it bears the Star Wars name.
While I'm sure there are plenty of fans who do judge it more harshly for being Star Wars, I don't think those movies even hold up in their own right regardless. I'm not even much into Star Wars (I think they're good movies, but they're just like any other movie to me, not something to get fanatical about), and I don't like any of the prequels.
The acting is wooden, a lot of the main characters are unlikable, the dialogue is awful, the effects are bad and overdone, the story is boring and simplistic, and the whole trilogy relies on you knowing the outcome in advance for it to even be worth watching as an arc. And I actually think Ep III gets rated more kindly for being Star Wars, because I even find that to be a thoroughly mediocre film that relies heavily on connecting to the OT.
I'm sure there's truth to both sides here. When you have sub-par to average movies being released as part of such a hugely popular franchise with a fanatical fanbase, things are going to get blown out of proportion one way or another.
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Plus it's the Internet. When Force Awakens comes out - there will be some people calling it not only the worst star wars movie - but also the worst film ever made by anyone ever.
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Plus it's the Internet. When Force Awakens comes out - there will be some people calling it not only the worst star wars movie - but also the worst film ever made by anyone ever.
Oh sure, but I suspect that there's going to be a lot more praise for the film than criticism. :tup
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Plus it's the Internet. When Force Awakens comes out - there will be some people calling it not only the worst star wars movie - but also the worst film ever made by anyone ever.
I doubt we will see anything that extreme.
Remember, the prequels already exist.
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I've seen criticisms of aspects of TFA already, but I don't think I've really seen anyone who isn't very optimistic about the movie itself. There will no doubt be some criticisms once the movie comes out, but I think the consensus is going to be overall very positive.
And also, the prequels already exist.
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I completely disagree. The only reason the movies were as successful as they were was that they had the Star Wars label. Otherwise they would've been easily forgotten like many other mostly CGI action/adventure movies nowadays.
I agree. Episode I is almost unwatchable, and Ep II is literally laughable with how comically bad it is. Those movies would be a footnote if not for the Star Wars name being attached to them.
And I'm on the other side of the coin. The faults are greatly exaggerated because it bears the Star Wars name.
I think that's definitely part of it. The only reason they are famous bad movies is because they are bad Star Wars movies. I think the movies definitely deserve the flak they get, but most of the time movies of that level come out, they are just ignored/forgotten. The fact that they are Star Wars movies is what has given them the lasting attention, especially the negative.
No one remembers the Golden Compass or Zithura or other bad kids fantasy/sci-fi movies. Movies are only remembered if 1. They are really /really/ good. 2. They are so completely and bafflingly bad to the point of entertainment. 3. There is a famous name connected to them.
The prequels wouldn't make this list if it weren't for the third point.
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Zithura...
Wasn't that Space Jumanji ?
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Zithura...
Wasn't that Space Jumanji ?
That's how I took it.
So it had 2 strikes against it.
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Yup. But Avatar proves that even an unoriginal idea can be remembered if done effectively.
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Yup. But Avatar proves that even an unoriginal idea can be remembered if done well.
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Hey, I liked Zathura!
I mean, I was, like, 7 or something when I saw it, but still.
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I liked Zathura, too. I hadn't seen Jumanji yet, and thus didn't realize that it's basically the same story, but that actually shouldn't matter. On its own, it was fine. In fact, when we got around to watching Jumanji, I enjoyed that, too, because Robin Williams.
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Isn't Zathura the sequel to Jumanji ?
One of those sequel that isn't a sequel type films ?
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I liked Zathura, too. I hadn't seen Jumanji yet, and thus didn't realize that it's basically the same story, but that actually shouldn't matter.
Well, the films are based on books by the same author. The book Zathura is a sequel (of sorts) to the book Jumanji, but that isn't the case in the films.
So it does matter. They made a film that is connected, but didn't connect it. So for people who don't know about the books, it seems like a ripoff.
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What I meant was that the biggest complaint I've heard about Zathura is that it's just a ripoff/rehash of Jumanji. To me, that should not matter. What I care about is whether or not the movie entertained me. It did. Is it the same as some other movie? Doesn't matter. Is it a ripoff of some other movie? Doesn't matter. I can see why it can bother some people, but many, many movies have basically the same plot as some other movie, so what?
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What I meant was that the biggest complaint I've heard about Zathura is that it's just a ripoff/rehash of Jumanji. To me, that should not matter. What I care about is whether or not the movie entertained me. It did. Is it the same as some other movie? Doesn't matter. Is it a ripoff of some other movie? Doesn't matter. I can see why it can bother some people, but many, many movies have basically the same plot as some other movie, so what?
You have a very rare viewpoint. I would imagine that the vast majority of people think it matters if they perceive that a movie (or book, or TV show, whatever) is ripping off another.
It certainly pisses me off. It's just lazy.
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What I meant was that the biggest complaint I've heard about Zathura is that it's just a ripoff/rehash of Jumanji. To me, that should not matter. What I care about is whether or not the movie entertained me. It did. Is it the same as some other movie? Doesn't matter. Is it a ripoff of some other movie? Doesn't matter. I can see why it can bother some people, but many, many movies have basically the same plot as some other movie, so what?
You have a very rare viewpoint. I would imagine that the vast majority of people think it matters if they perceive that a movie (or book, or TV show, whatever) is ripping off another.
It certainly pisses me off. It's just lazy.
Wasn't it you and I that had a similar discussion regarding the Big King burger from Burger King, and how it's basically a ripoff of the Big Mac from McDonald's? You (or whoever I'm confusing you with) said that you couldn't stand the Big King because it's such a ripoff. It's actually a superior burger. Bigger, better quality ingredients, pretty much better in every way. When I eat a Big King, I enjoy it. Do I care that it's a ripoff of the Big Mac? Not one damned bit. What matters is whether I enjoy what I'm experiencing. Other people can come up with reasons to not like it, but to me what matters is how it tastes, period.
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Is Avatar similar to lots of other movies ? Yes.
Do I care ? No. Lots of movies have the same basic storyline.
Did I enjoy it regardless ? Hell yes.
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Exactly. It looked cool, had a twist or two, it entertained. That's all that matters.
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I don't think anybody was comparing Star Wars to Avatar.
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I would compare Caddyshack with Dude, Where's My Car.
Nah.
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It's been a little while since I saw Zathura, and I thought it was decent. I didn't care about the similarities to Jumanji, because it still took it in its own direction despite the same premise.
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I liked Zathura, too. I hadn't seen Jumanji yet, and thus didn't realize that it's basically the same story, but that actually shouldn't matter.
Well, the films are based on books by the same author. The book Zathura is a sequel (of sorts) to the book Jumanji, but that isn't the case in the films.
So it does matter. They made a film that is connected, but didn't connect it. So for people who don't know about the books, it seems like a ripoff.
So did they just ignore the tagline on the poster?
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Maybe the better word would just be rehash. I usually equate ripoff to a separate entity creating a near clone of something whereas a rehash is the same story universe reusing the same storytelling cycle.
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Helps if you can see the tagline.
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Changed the image link if that didn't work before. I've never seen the movie but from what little I remember from the marketing it never tried to hide itself from the fact that it was related to Jumanji.
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That tagline even words it ambiguously so you think it's connected directly to Jumanji. From a marketing standpoint, it makes sense that they'd try to capitalize on Jumanji's success, rather than try to ignore the obvious similarities.
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What I meant was that the biggest complaint I've heard about Zathura is that it's just a ripoff/rehash of Jumanji. To me, that should not matter. What I care about is whether or not the movie entertained me. It did. Is it the same as some other movie? Doesn't matter. Is it a ripoff of some other movie? Doesn't matter. I can see why it can bother some people, but many, many movies have basically the same plot as some other movie, so what?
You have a very rare viewpoint. I would imagine that the vast majority of people think it matters if they perceive that a movie (or book, or TV show, whatever) is ripping off another.
It certainly pisses me off. It's just lazy.
Wasn't it you and I that had a similar discussion regarding the Big King burger from Burger King, and how it's basically a ripoff of the Big Mac from McDonald's? You (or whoever I'm confusing you with) said that you couldn't stand the Big King because it's such a ripoff. It's actually a superior burger. Bigger, better quality ingredients, pretty much better in every way. When I eat a Big King, I enjoy it. Do I care that it's a ripoff of the Big Mac? Not one damned bit. What matters is whether I enjoy what I'm experiencing. Other people can come up with reasons to not like it, but to me what matters is how it tastes, period.
I remember discussing it, but I like the Big King, it tastes good.
But it's a ripoff.
If something is a ripoff, it's a ripoff, whether it is good or not, and that one in particular is a pretty blatant one.
The Big Mac is better.
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I guess I didn't remember the specifics of the conversation that well. In general, the idea of blatantly copying something is bad to me, and whoever's doing it definitely loses style points. But as I said, what it comes down to is whether or not I enjoy the final product. Hell, there are 1000 different pizza places here in the Chicago area. Do I care that every single one of them is making something that they didn't invent? Nope. I just order the pizza I like. Same with any food, or movie, or whatever. I care whether or not I enjoy it.
Now, there will be cases where my awareness that something is literally copied from something else will affect my enjoyment of it. If I can't watch a certain scene from a movie without it reminding me of the exact same thing happening in some other movie, that can be distracting. And if it's so distracting that I can't enjoy the scene, then there it is, I don't like it. But I don't dislike something simply because it copies something else. I can still enjoy the final result.
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I am with Orbert.
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There is a local sandwich shop that dates back to the 50s. They have their version of the Big Mac, too. It's called the Big Mo.
I give the Big Mo a pass because it is ten times better than the Big Mac or the Big King.
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I am with Orbert.
But I was already with Orbert.
You are blatantly copying.
But I can still enjoy you being with Orbert.
Proceed.
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The big carl beats them all.
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The big carl beats them all.
Five Guys, FTW
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thread officially derailed
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Flametrooper!!
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Yea I heard someone mention the costum from the celebration and that they're in the upcoming movie Including the new snowtroopers. Cool stuff!
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I've downloaded the first 6 Star Wars films. I'm almost there! Should I start with 4,5, and 6 first?
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Yes. The context in which the films were made is more important than seeing the story in chronological order. Also, just curious. Do you have the theatrical releases or the special editions?
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Yes. The context in which the films were made is more important than seeing the story in chronological order. Also, just curious. Do you have the theatrical releases or the special editions?
I have no idea :lol I'm going to assume theatrical release because I didn't see anything about special edition anywhere.
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Actually, if you didn't see anything, it's much more likely you have the special editions, which is fine. While some of the changes can be infuriating to many fans, it won't by any means ruin the experience for a first time viewer.
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Actually, if you didn't see anything, it's much more likely you have the special editions, which is fine. While some of the changes can be infuriating to many fans, it won't by any means ruin the experience for a first time viewer.
What kind of stuff was changed? Were scenes added or removed, or was it just updated effects and stuff like that?
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In 4 it's mostly updated effects, one added scene that's redundant, and one subtle change that arguably has a major impact on how you perceive a main character. This is the change that everyone hates most.
In 5 it's mostly updated effects and scenery.
In 6 there are updated effects, an added musical number, and a few changes in the ending with appearance of certain characters, locations, and the soundtrack.
None of these affect the plot. I'm not sure how specific you want me to be. I don't want to spoil anything. I'm also not sure if it'd be worth it to seek out the theatrical releases. They've never really been released in high quality before.
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If you downloaded the new digital editions, they are the Special Editions with all the changes. AFAIK, it is not possible at this time to get the original theatrical releases of the original 3 films.
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If you downloaded the new digital editions, they are the Special Editions with all the changes. AFAIK, it is not possible at this time to get the original theatrical releases of the original 3 films.
Wasn't there talk to release those on blu-ray?
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I've downloaded the first 6 Star Wars films. I'm almost there! Should I start with 4,5, and 6 first?
I know this is nothing new, but: I remember reading somewhere online that a guy suggested viewing them in the following order: IV, V, (I), II, III, VI. With IV and V first, you don't spoil the big reveal, and you then see I - III (possibly omitting I, since it really does not add much to the story that can't be done away with anyway other than just insert a definite "beginning") as a flashback, and preserve the climax of the story with VI. I have not done it (who has the time?), but it sounds like a cool idea. Maybe over the holidays to gear up for the release of VII.
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if Disney released the Original Trilogy Theatrical versions on Blu Ray - they'd make back the $4bn they paid for Lucasfilm in one week.
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If you downloaded the new digital editions, they are the Special Editions with all the changes. AFAIK, it is not possible at this time to get the original theatrical releases of the original 3 films.
Wasn't there talk to release those on blu-ray?
There is a fervent desire on the part of a large vocal section of the fanbase. But there has been no word of it from Fox or Disney of which I'm aware.
However, hope springs eternal now the Disney owns Star Wars. George Lucas would never, ever have released them, but he is no longer in control.
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If they still exist, Disney will release them eventually. I can virtually guarantee it.
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I've downloaded the first 6 Star Wars films. I'm almost there! Should I start with 4,5, and 6 first?
I know this is nothing new, but: I remember reading somewhere online that a guy suggested viewing them in the following order: IV, V, (I), II, III, VI. With IV and V first, you don't spoil the big reveal, and you then see I - III (possibly omitting I, since it really does not add much to the story that can't be done away with anyway other than just insert a definite "beginning") as a flashback, and preserve the climax of the story with VI. I have not done it (who has the time?), but it sounds like a cool idea. Maybe over the holidays to gear up for the release of VII.
I'm pretty sure I did that (well.. tried too... ran out of time) and it worked out well. :tup
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If they still exist, Disney will release them eventually. I can virtually guarantee it.
TBH, they may not exist. I know that the print of Star Wars had to be painstakingly restored before work could even be done on creating the Special Edition released in 1997.
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The original theatrical cuts have been released before, but I'm in the weird position of having first seen the digitally-remastered VHS releases, prior to the Special Edition releases. They said "Digitally remastered with THX" and began with director's commentary on the making of the films, which you had to fast-forward through. I basically want those on Blu-Ray, with the good sound but without the stupid special edition changes.
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I think though nevet in 5.1. I believe 4,5 & 6 were only released in 2.0. Which leads me to this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_JNuIN33Wk
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I stopped buying them since George will put out every other version but that one. :lol
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If they still exist, Disney will release them eventually. I can virtually guarantee it.
TBH, they may not exist. I know that the print of Star Wars had to be painstakingly restored before work could even be done on creating the Special Edition released in 1997.
At this point, I wouldn't even mind getting the 97 versions on blu ray if that's the best they can do. There's some bad CGI there but iirc the really awful edits were made on later versions.
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I would gladly take the 97 version on blu ray over the jango fett voice, shoe horned in Hayden Christensen, vader going no no at the end of Jedi non sense. No thank you. And besides that I much prefer the original emperor in Empire.
You don't know what you have till its gone :'(
Even stupid little stuff like this makes no sense. Just leave it alone
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-24%20at%209.40.01%20PM_zpsmllyvli7.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-24%20at%209.40.01%20PM_zpsmllyvli7.png.html)
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I would gladly take the 97 version on blu ray over the jango fett voice, shoe horned in Hayden Christensen, vader going no no at the end of Jedi non sense. No thank you. And besides that I much prefer the original emperor in Empire.
Oh yea, I forgot about that. People give the special editions shit but putting Ian McDiarmid in Empire was a good call. I also don't mind the restored lightsabers in the first movie.
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I stopped buying them since George will put out every other version but that one. :lol
But those are his "true" vision, completely not motived by money or the incessant need to tinker with things.
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If it was posted before, then I apologize.. but the Matthew McConaughey reaction video is pretty darn spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHdQUyOunA
Yeah, I'm way too excited for this movie, like I think something really special is coming.
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If you downloaded the new digital editions, they are the Special Editions with all the changes. AFAIK, it is not possible at this time to get the original theatrical releases of the original 3 films.
Wasn't there talk to release those on blu-ray?
There is a fervent desire on the part of a large vocal section of the fanbase. But there has been no word of it from Fox or Disney of which I'm aware.
However, hope springs eternal now the Disney owns Star Wars. George Lucas would never, ever have released them, but he is no longer in control.
The rumor is debunked but I clearly remembered reading about it some time ago.
Yep here it is:
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/139125-Disney-Star-Wars-Original-Unaltered-Theatrical-Release-Blu-ray
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The original version has never been released on DVD or Blu-ray. It was released on VHS.
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I specifically remember there having been a DVD release with the original theatrical cuts on a "bonus disc."
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I specifically remember there having been a DVD release with the original theatrical cuts on a "bonus disc."
I think you are mistaken. The final release of the original versions was on VHS in 1995. The Special Editions were released theatrically in 1997, and everything since then has been the Special Edition.
Star Wars didn't debut on DVD until 2004; by that time, the original versions were already gone, baby, gone.
This is the release that I have. I fully intend to acquire them on Blu-ray.
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The original theatrical versions were released on DVD as bonus discs to a re-release of the special editions, but they were bad letterboxed transfers from the same master as the laserdisc version. So the original versions have been released on DVD, but it was half-assed at best.
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The original theatrical versions were released on DVD as bonus discs to a re-release of the special editions, but they were bad letterboxed transfers from the same master as the laserdisc version. So the original versions have been released on DVD, but it was half-assed at best.
Yeah, I stayed away from them.
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As a new member, I should have you all know that I keep score of every argument I win and lose. The score so far:
SLV: 1
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The original theatrical versions were released on DVD as bonus discs to a re-release of the special editions, but they were bad letterboxed transfers from the same master as the laserdisc version. So the original versions have been released on DVD, but it was half-assed at best.
Ah, that rings a bell now. That's right, from the Laserdisc transfer.
OK, they haven't been released in a vaguely good viewable version on DVD.
And frankly, the fact that it was the Laserdisc transfer that was used in the first place doesn't speak well of the current status of the original print, especially given what we know of the headaches involved in producing the Special Editions.
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I have the bonus disc versions. Its great to at least have an original version available, but oh my god, is the quality bad. Still happy to have them though.
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And frankly, the fact that it was the Laserdisc transfer that was used in the first place doesn't speak well of the current status of the original print, especially given what we know of the headaches involved in producing the Special Editions.
Absolutely.
Hopefully Lucas's contract with Disney didn't have any clause about releasing the original editions. It appears that releasing the theatrical versions in HD would involve quite a bit of work and money.
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Money which i'm sure that they would make back tenfold :biggrin:
Also - 6 new SW films over the next 6 years. - The Force Awakens is bound to make at least $1.5bn. Easily.
If the other 5 all make at least half of that - Disney will have made a good profit after Merchandise and Home Cinema.
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The original theatrical versions were released on DVD as bonus discs to a re-release of the special editions, but they were bad letterboxed transfers from the same master as the laserdisc version. So the original versions have been released on DVD, but it was half-assed at best.
Ah, that rings a bell now. That's right, from the Laserdisc transfer.
OK, they haven't been released in a vaguely good viewable version on DVD.
And frankly, the fact that it was the Laserdisc transfer that was used in the first place doesn't speak well of the current status of the original print, especially given what we know of the headaches involved in producing the Special Editions.
Do we really need the originals, though? They should just release a "Shittiness Reduced" version. Put a CGI Shaw back in RotJ's ending, edit out the godawful dance scene in Hutt's palace, mute Vader's "NOoooOOOoo", put the original Krayt Dragon scream back in ANH and you have a decent version again.
I don't think I'm missing anything.
Edit: How could I forget one of the biggest ones? Have Han pew-pew Greedo first.
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Four unfinished Clone Wars episodes are released online. I started watching them, but when I realized just how unfinished they were, I lost interest.
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The original theatrical versions were released on DVD as bonus discs to a re-release of the special editions, but they were bad letterboxed transfers from the same master as the laserdisc version. So the original versions have been released on DVD, but it was half-assed at best.
Ah, that rings a bell now. That's right, from the Laserdisc transfer.
OK, they haven't been released in a vaguely good viewable version on DVD.
And frankly, the fact that it was the Laserdisc transfer that was used in the first place doesn't speak well of the current status of the original print, especially given what we know of the headaches involved in producing the Special Editions.
Do we really need the originals, though? They should just release a "Shittiness Reduced" version. Put a CGI Shaw back in RotJ's ending, edit out the godawful dance scene in Hutt's palace, mute Vader's "NOoooOOOoo", put the original Krayt Dragon scream back in ANH and you have a decent version again.
I don't think I'm missing anything.
Edit: How could I forget one of the biggest ones? Have Han pew-pew Greedo first.
You're missing quite a bit, ranging from minor to major. Lots of replaced background mattes or entirely new establishing shots, tweaked colouring, the infamous Greedo shooting first (and obviously ditch the awful Jabba scene from ANH), replacing many of the space shots with new CG ones, replacing all of Boba Fett's dialogue with that NZ guy, new creatures and characters added to many shots, badly changing the lightsaber colours, removing Vader's eyebrows, adding rocks to hide R2, so many other random CG elements added for no reason, replacing the emperor.
A lot of the changes are just fine or an improvement, but there are just as many that were unnecessary and silly, and don't match the original film.
While I don't have a problem with them mixing and matching in theory, a lot of people just want to see the original theatrical cut as they grew up with pre-SE, not to mention it would be a travesty not to preserve the original unaltered version of such a huge film for posterity. Keep "Ep IV: A New Hope" in the opening crawl, keep the fixes to the blue screen effects and matte box problems, but otherwise just release a clean version of the movie. Then they can still release their new version as Lucas says he always intended without people complaining. Two versions of the movie is fine. Then if fans want some kind of inbetween hybrid, they can sort it out.
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I wasn't attempting to name all the changes, just the ones that really bothered me. I didn't mind the Jabba scene, though I forgot they dubbed Boba Fett.
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The Jabba scene was only stuck in there because it was probably the only cut scene they had to stick in there to give the SE something new. Having Jabba personally travel to some backworld planet to get literally walked all over by Han made no sense. They clearly had not planned much about Jabba when they shot that scene, and it should have stayed on the cutting room floor.
I know you weren't pointing out all of the changes, but since it varies so much with what people liked and disliked in the SE, I think they're all worth mentioning. And many of those changes I mentioned were stupid.
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The worse part about the added Jabba scene, to me anyway, is that when they decided to cut it, they re-used a lot of the dialogue in the Greedo scene, so now the same lines are in there twice. That sticks out more than anything else.
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I just couldn't take my attention away from how awful Jabba looked. I barely remember what was even said in that scene.
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Wow, I hadn't even thought of that. Jabba is totally weakened by that scene. This is what happens when a scene is cut, plot and dialogue and reworked, then you shoehorn the scene back in. It just doesn't work, and screws things up as well.
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STAR WARS ANTHOLOGY: BOBA FETT
https://www.slashfilm.com/boba-fett-origin/
We’ve seen the story of Boba Fett‘s youth, including the events by which he was adopted as the son of Jango Fett rather than becoming one of the first generation of Stormtroopers. But we still haven’t quite seen how Boba Fett specifically became the character who appeared in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Now, we’ll see a lot more of the fan-favorite character, as the second Star Wars Anthology film will reportedly be a Boba Fett origin story.
The Wrap reports, confirming rumors that have swirled for quite a while. The notion that Boba Fett would be the subject of one of the Star Wars spin-off films has persisted ever since the project was first announced.
We don’t know much more about the film. The timeline is unknown; this could take place between (or during) the timelines of several different feature film pairs. And it could be that the “Boba Fett origin story” is just one small part of the plan for this film — it would be great if this movie followed the ensemble approach that the first Star Wars Anthology movie appears to be taking. This could be not just Boba Fett’s story, but a broad bounty hunter adventure.
Simon Kinberg is scripting and producing, and until recently Josh Trank was set to direct. But Trank fell away from the project over the past few months — or was pushed, depending on which stories you believe. Trank’s exit from the film was only announced at the end of last week.
This will be the second Star Wars Anthology entry following Rogue One, directed by Gareth Edwards. That film, which follows resistance fighters who undertake a mission to steal plans for the Death Star, will star Felicity Jones, Ben Mendelsohn and Riz Ahmed. Rogue One is set for release in December 2016.
We don’t know if there is any plan for connectivity between the Anthology films beyond the basics of the Star Wars imprint, or if they will truly stand alone.
There's only one person that I would have playing Boba Fett, and Kathleen Kennedy needs to jump on this ship.
Manu fucking Bennett. He's of the Māori people, just like the actors who played Jango and Boba in Attack of the Clones, and his past roles as Crixus in Spartacus and Deathstroke in Arrow is a no brainer to me as to why he's my personal choice.
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So apparently Josh Trank ( Chronicle ) has been sacked from directing a Star Wars anthology film.
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Relevant. Kinda.
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This is awesome: https://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star-wars/246056/star-wars-jj-abrams-teases-the-demise-of-jar-jar-binks
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This is awesome: https://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star-wars/246056/star-wars-jj-abrams-teases-the-demise-of-jar-jar-binks
We can only hope.
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That would be glorious.
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So when the Spaceballs version of this comes out does Mel Brooks use "Roll The Bones" as they fly by? :lol
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Cannot wait too excited for the force awakens. I'm so glad that star wars is being revived so much. Rouge one will be sweet.
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Alive...... :emo:
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All 6 Star Wars Films At The Same Time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=11&v=oBQVvEMc-VQ)
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Would have been better (and actually watchable) and more interesting if it were done in a 6-way split screen.
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So completely useless, yet somehow so interesting at the same time.
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SW: TFA Comi-con Reel (https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY)
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SW: TFA Comi-con Reel (https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY)
So Pegg is in it after all ? ::)
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Man.... I can't frikken wait!! Love the not over CGI'n it aspect.
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I think I may have gotten a little teary eyed watching that. I absolutely can not wait.
Screw CGI
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Let's not go overboard with the whole anti-CGI thing. It's great that they have the Disney money to build more physical objects where they can, but this movie will still have more CGI than most movies in pretty much every single shot, and as usual most people won't even realize it.
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Let's not go overboard with the whole anti-CGI thing. It's great that they have the Disney money to build more physical objects where they can, but this movie will still have more CGI than most movies in pretty much every single shot, and as usual most people won't even realize it.
But that's the good CGI. What everyone complains about is when they do needless things like creating entire fake looking models when they can just have someone in costume.
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Let's not go overboard with the whole anti-CGI thing. It's great that they have the Disney money to build more physical objects where they can, but this movie will still have more CGI than most movies in pretty much every single shot, and as usual most people won't even realize it.
But that's the good CGI. What everyone complains about is when they do needless things like creating entire fake looking models when they can just have someone in costume.
Which is fine, but a lot of people bitch about CGI as a whole as if it's a bad tool to use. While the PT was groundbreaking in its use of CGI in many ways, it's also a lesson in knowing where it's not appropriate. There's no doubt that CGI does get abused and overused, especially where Star Wars is concerned, I just get tired of the "CG BAD" mentality.
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I love CGI, if... its done with taste and restraint. To this day I'm still fascinated with T2's effects. So if its done right, I'm all for it. And it's its looking like Episode VII is shaping it up nicely, balancing both practical and CGI.
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But earlier you said screw CG! :lol
I think Episode VII is doing a fantastic job of using physical and CG elements where it's best called for. Modern technology actually allows for better practical effects than ever, but unfortunately the budgetary and time constraints of modern movies don't always allow it (how many movie franchises are safe enough to be able to justify the cost of building a full scale Millennium Falcon with interior? :lol ).
On top of that there's the crap treatment of VFX companies, having to do more work in less time for less money.
Classic Star Wars has such a dirty worn down realism to it that benefits so much from having all of these real objects. In particular BB8 is a real engineering achievement that many didn't believe could work as a physical robot. It's also refreshing to see some physical talking aliens using computer controlled servos for lip sync. I would have loved to see the new TMNT movie do that like the original did.
But you can also see most of those shots in that reel will have the backgrounds entirely replaced with CG mattes, a couple of mocapped CG main characters, CG space battles etc, things that are too advanced in scope these days to realistically do for real.
This will no doubt be a gorgeous looking film, and I can't wait to see the end result.
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Ridley Scott also likes having sets and physical effects. Which is why Prometheus at least *looked* gorgeous.
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1/6 replica Millennium Falcon created by Hot Toys (18 feet long) (https://toyland.gizmodo.com/this-is-what-a-monstrous-18-foot-long-millennium-falcon-1719696985)
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I know i'm biased but I think the Constitution II Class ( basically all 6 TOS movies ) Enterprise is the nicest looking fictional spaceship. :)
Enterprise E is a close second then the JJ Abrams Enterprise.
it's probably sacrilege for me to say this as a Trekker - but I think the Original Series Constitution 1 Class is the ugliest :lol
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Michael Jackson wanted to play Jar-Jar Binks? (https://www.vice.com/read/ahmed-best-jar-jar-binks-interview)
That's what George told me. Me, Natalie Portman, and George's kids—we were at Wembley arena at Michael Jackson's concert. We were taken backstage and we met Michael. There was Michael and Lisa Marie [Presley]. George introduced me as "Jar Jar" and I was like, That's kind of weird. Michael was like, "Oh. OK." I thought, What is going on? After Michael had driven off, we all go back up to a big afterparty. I'm having a drink with George and I said, "Why did you introduce me as Jar Jar?" He said, "Well, Michael wanted to do the part but he wanted to do it in prosthetics and makeup like 'Thriller.'" George wanted to do it in CGI.
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Man, I tried watching EP I last night and had to fast-forward through most of it. 90% of the dialogue sounded like it was being read off a cue card. McDiarmid was the only one not mailing it in. It had been so long since I had watched the prequels I thought I'd give them another chance, but no.
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Darth Maul had the best lines of Ep. 1.
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At least Episode III is good, the one that mattered.
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I think it only seems good because generally people watch I and II beforehand. :P
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People only tell themselves III was good because compared to I and II it looked like Citizen Kane. It's still an incredibly flawed movie, but despite a lot of problems, it has at least a few redeemable parts, unlike I and II.
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Well, thanks for explaining my own opinions to me, I didn't realise I was simply deluding myself.
Actually, I like Episode III because I think it's good. Not "good" compared to I and II. Does it have some flaws? Sure. So do the original trilogy (except arguably Empire which is fantastic and I can't really find fault with).
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Rich I thought you knew me better by now? Most of my posts are exaggerated and/or has a strong sense of sarcasm. :P
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At least Episode III is good, the one that mattered.
I'm glad you like it.
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At least Episode III is good, the one that mattered.
I'm glad you like it.
I did. It was on par with Episode 6. 4 & 5 is where it's at.
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I love V, and I think VI is really really good, but I have always found IV to be pretty boring. Classic movie with enjoyable moments, but overall pretty boring.
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Rich I thought you knew me better by now? Most of my posts are exaggerated and/or has a strong sense of sarcasm. :P
I feel I've usually got a good handle on the sarcastic ones, but I often can't tell when you're exaggerating. :lol
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It's funny that the best SW movie is one not directed by Lucas.
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Lucas was never a great director IMO. He's was a brilliant idea man and the universe he created was an amazing one, but I think there is something to be said when comparing the old trilogy, with Lucas being surrounded by talent and everybody compromising, and the prequels were Lucas made every call and directed every movie.
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I have a feeling VII-XI will be greater than all 6 movies we have now currently
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I have a feeling VII-XI will be greater than all 6 movies we have now currently
I agree.
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I don't expect the new ones to top the original trilogy, but as long as they're good in their own right, I'll be happy. You can do a lot of great things with special effects today, but what really made the original trilogy so good was how timeless it was. They play into many classic themes, and in some ways the sci-fi setting is just a framework to hang that on. If we go at it just from a story and character arc standpoint, the original movies are near perfect in that regard. The hero's journey, being tempted by darkness and power, the underdogs (rebels) fighting against the empire, light vs dark, and so on.
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The background just in the trailer looks amazing so I think the scope of the planets will look awesome. I'd rather it be the background than the CGI being the forefront.
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The background just in the trailer looks amazing so I think the scope of the planets will look awesome. I'd rather it be the background than the CGI being the forefront.
Well, we already know a great deal of the effects will not be CGI and instead will be practical like in the original trilogy, as per the wishes of J. J. Abrams
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I did not know that. Sweet. I'm staying away from digging into finding stuff out.
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And JJ & Rian Johnson are fans. They know what other fans want - and more importantly - don't want.
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Lucas was never a great director IMO. He's was a brilliant idea man and the universe he created was an amazing one, but I think there is something to be said when comparing the old trilogy, with Lucas being surrounded by talent and everybody compromising, and the prequels were Lucas made every call and directed every movie.
Get out of my head....it's freakin creepy, man!
(I've been making this *exact* statement to people IRL for decades now)
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I have a feeling VII-XI will be greater than all 6 movies we have now currently
I don't think they'll top the OT, but even the trailer for VII is better than the entire PT. :lol
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Lucas was never a great director IMO. He's was a brilliant idea man and the universe he created was an amazing one, but I think there is something to be said when comparing the old trilogy, with Lucas being surrounded by talent and everybody compromising, and the prequels were Lucas made every call and directed every movie.
Get out of my head....it's freakin creepy, man!
(I've been making this *exact* statement to people IRL for decades now)
It's not that creepy - it's the opinion of pretty much everyone. :lol
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Lucas pretty much had one idea - and when it made hundreds of millions of dollars - he just got greedy and lazy.
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I think the next trilogy has the potential to top the OT. As I said, I'm not the biggest fan of IV, so that brings the old trilogy down a bit. I'm not sure they'll top Empire (I hope they will though), but to top the trilogy as a whole is not impossible.
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I think the next trilogy has the potential to top the OT. As I said, I'm not the biggest fan of IV, so that brings the old trilogy down a bit. I'm not sure they'll top Empire (I hope they will though), but to top the trilogy as a whole is not impossible.
I'm similar. I appreciate how innovative and hugely iconic IV was, but I don't find it all that exciting on the whole. V is incredible. VI has some incredible stuff but also some really naff stuff too, similar sort of balance as III in my opinion. I was just terrible, and II was flawed but had some great stuff in it.
So yeah, I suppose I have only loved one out of six films, so I'd say the new trilogy definitely has the potential to be the strongest.
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It's funny that (some) people literally worship Star Wars and yet a large majority of them really only love 33% of the movies.
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Well some of us just like to pretend that there is no PT.
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Well some of us just like to pretend that there is no PT.
This. I just basically don't even acknowledge it anymore.
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Well some of us just like to pretend that there is no PT.
This. I just basically don't even acknowledge it anymore.
Me neither. There is no prequel trilogy.
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Revenge of the Sith is better than every other episode except for Empire in my book. I really enjoy the prequels. They aren't perfect but neither are the films in the OT except for Empire. Also, I don't think Lucas was greedy and lazy. He's just not a great director. He made the films he wanted to make and honestly he was in every right to do just that. Artists/Musicians/Film Makers etc. shouldn't have to cater to what the fans want. If it's good then the majority will enjoy it. I understand that I'm in the minority when it comes to the prequels and I'm cool with that.
All of that being said, I also agree that the new trilogy will surpass both the OT and the PT.
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I actively dislike I and II, but I wouldn't pretend they don't exist. They're part of the Star Wars canon whether they're good or not.
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I was just terrible
QFT. But this thread is about Star Wars.
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lol british mods
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The decision to make the prequels 95% CGI has to be one of the worst decisions ever though. Bad dialogue and iffy acting aside, the prequels look so dated because of the decision to make them so CGI heavy. They might have been good for their time, but it looks like a cut scene in an early 2000's videogame for the most part. If they had put more effort into real props, real sets, the movies would have been more enjoyable. As it is now, watching them just feels like an assault on all your senses. So much crap thrown up on the screen.
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I was just terrible
QFT. But this thread is about Star Wars.
WHY I OUGHTA
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Artists/Musicians/Film Makers etc. shouldn't have to cater to what the fans want.
Definitely, but like Calvin pointed out above, I think there's a line between catering to the fans and getting some second opinions. Just take the scripts of the prequels for example. They feel like first drafts that Lucas didn't bother to get a second opinion on, he just finished a rough first draft and then went with it. He could have told the exact same story, but tightened it up and gotten some help to write dialogue. What Lucas really struggles with in the prequels is writing characters and specifically writing how they feel, without them saying how they feel. Think about it for a second, most of the times the characters talk about how they feel, instead of conveying it through acting or other means. Darth Vader's "Nooo" is a great example of this. Lucas couldn't come up with a good way for Darth Vader to be upset over Padme, so instead he wrote this comical line which resulted in laughter in theaters. The Anakin/Padme lovestory overall is a good example of what Lucas does poorly. Instead of showing us why they are in love, the characters just keeps telling us they are. Same with Anakin and Obi-Wan really. We are told about their adventures and great friendship, but all we get to see is Anakin whining about how Obi-Wan is annoying, never trusts him, and so on. Obi-Wan also shows annoyance with Anakin, yet in Ep IV he talks about Anakin and says "He was a great friend", something they failed to show us.
That's ultimately one of the mistakes of the prequels for me. We are being told about characters reactions and feelings for each other, instead of experiencing it. In the old movies, we got to see Han/Luke become great friends through shared experiences, and there was a more natural evolution to relationships. The Leia/Han lovestory was great and also evolved naturally, and just compare that to the forced Anakin/Padme lovestory with "That must be because I'm so in love" -"No.. no.. I'M so in love with YOU".
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Sooooo true. In the OT, we got to grow with the characters and see why they felt about each other the way that they did.
In the PT, we were simply told what these characters felt, and we were just forced to accept it. When people compare the two trilogies, the similarities will be pointed out by the PT defenders, but poor storytelling is the root problem with the PT's.
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Also, sometime after I first saw the Plinkett reviews of the prequels, I re-watched them and they really are 80% scenes with people either sitting in a room talking, or standing and talking, or walking and talking. Sure, a movie has a lot of dialogue, but I feel like this makes the point of my previous post even more clear.
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Star Wars Land is coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneyland Park!!!!
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Star Wars Land is coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneyland Park!!!!
Awesome! It's about time.
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The rumors about Star Wars land has been going on for a very long time, so hopefully during this time, they developed everything and can start breaking ground early next year in both theme parks. If Cars Land at Disney California Adventure indicates anything, we're in for a real treat. There's going to be a Millennium Falcon ride, new scenes for Star Tours, and a Cantina restaurant.
Along with this announcement at D23, George Lucas was named a Disney Legend along with Johnny Depp and Danny Elfman. Disney Legends is their Hall of Fame program. George Lucas did not only help create the Star Tours ride for Disneyland and Disney's Hollywood Studios, but he helped produce Captain EO, the 4D space adventure with Michael Jackson, and he helped develop the Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye ride at Disneyland Park and The Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular at Disney's Hollywood Studios. Probably also helped he sold billions to Disney. Here is his ceremony, introduced by Bob Iger himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCs1THKeSw
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The rumors about Star Wars land has been going on for a very long time, so hopefully during this time, they developed everything and can start breaking ground early next year in both theme parks. If Cars Land at Disney California Adventure indicates anything, we're in for a real treat. There's going to be a Millennium Falcon ride, new scenes for Star Tours, and a Cantina restaurant.
Any idea whether they are going to put it? In other words, are they going to build out and expand onto what little additional land is there and add onto the guest-accessible part of the park, or are they going to jam it into the existing space and eliminate/re-create existing attractions? I suspect you have no idea, but I thought I'd ask.
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The rumors about Star Wars land has been going on for a very long time, so hopefully during this time, they developed everything and can start breaking ground early next year in both theme parks. If Cars Land at Disney California Adventure indicates anything, we're in for a real treat. There's going to be a Millennium Falcon ride, new scenes for Star Tours, and a Cantina restaurant.
Any idea whether they are going to put it? In other words, are they going to build out and expand onto what little additional land is there and add onto the guest-accessible part of the park, or are they going to jam it into the existing space and eliminate/re-create existing attractions? I suspect you have no idea, but I thought I'd ask.
Rumor has it that Disneyland's Toon Town will be bulldozed and expanded into the backstage area to create this area. I suppose they are going to rebuild Star Tours for the new land and create a new Tomorrowland attraction. But that is all speculation, and if that is true, then I hope that they are able to fit Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin somewhere else in that park :sad:
For Disney's Hollywood Studios, I think that a lot of backstage area that is by their Star Tours (With that awesome giant AT-AT in the front!!!) will be gone to make room for the land. This park is also getting Toy Story Land, and that's going to be take over where Backlot Tour used to be. That attraction closed fall of last year. Disney's Hollywood Studios will no longer be the park that will take people behind the scenes of Hollywood productions, but rather put them in it.
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An interesting nugget I read at IGN. The celebration song at the end of The Phantom Menace is actually a take on the Emperor's theme. Listened to it again and it's quite obvious now.
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Your welcome (https://youtu.be/HTHTEKwaYdI)
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Your welcome (https://youtu.be/HTHTEKwaYdI)
Still better than The Phantom Menace.
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Your welcome (https://youtu.be/HTHTEKwaYdI)
Still better than The Phantom Menace.
It's like Poetry - so that they rhyme :neverusethis:
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(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdg8c3WvtV1rqkkzco1_r1_400.gif)
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Something else: I've been watching the Clone Wars animated series for a few weeks now. Aside from a few filler episodes (mostly in seasons 1 and 2), I think this series is really good. It has more character development than the prequel trilogy combined, has good voice acting, and a few key story elements of the SW Saga are elaborated upon, such as Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, his relationship with Padmé and the reasons and politics behind the Clone Wars. I haven't watched all the episodes; instead I use this guide (https://www.starwarsreport.com/2012/09/24/17-essential-the-clone-wars-episodes-to-watch-before-season-5/) and the individual episode ratings on IMDb to determine which episodes I'll skip; if the rating is too low for my taste, the synopsis doesn't sound interesting and the episode is not on the aforementoined list, I skip the episode.
Of course the show was made for children, and that's easy to notice sometimes. But it's not really a kids version of Star Wars per se. The stories tend to be pretty good, and as I said, make up for a lot of seemingly illogical stuff in the prequels IMO. I'd recommend it to every SW fan. It may not be everyone's cup of tea but personally, I love it.
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I think Rebels captures the spirit of the OT far more than The Clone Wars ever did. Still has a bit of that "aimed at kids" feel to it, but seriously much better stories, atmosphere, characters, chemistry....just all around vast improvement. (there were some animation blunders early on, but I think they've mostly fixed that)
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I have seen all of Clone Wars, and I liked it fairly well, but haven't gotten around to Rebels yet. I might catch up before Ep VII comes though.
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I really like Rebels as well. The atmosphere between ROTS-ANH is so interesting.
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I came across this, this best recut of the prequels I've ever seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDLM-dXP-KE
It mainly focuses on the events of III and II with flashbacks and rearranging of some events. A lot of things are changed for the better, including all the horrible dialogue. I'd recommend it to anyone who likes these sort of things.
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I can't watch those animated shows.
For me, the SW films have a certain look and feel. And that look and feel is not animated. I just can't do it. Doesn't matter how much character development they do. Film & TV are primarily visual mediums, and my mind just can't reconcile what I'm seeing with one of the animated shows with what I'm seeing with one of the films.
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I can't watch those animated shows.
So how do you deal with book v. movie?
I haven't read a Star Wars book in years. But it's not the same problem. Books aren't a visual medium, it's something else. I can read a book about anything.
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Benicio to play a villain in 8
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-episode-8s-villain-to-be-played-by-benic/1100-6430364/
Sounds good to me
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]I haven't read a Star Wars book in years.
I just started reading Star Wars - Aftermath (a trilogy)
It is supposed to be events after SW6:RotJ
It has quite a few nice parallels with the problems of dealing with the "aftermath" of "mission accomplished".
Oh yeah. I need to get that.
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Do you think The Force Awakens will crush Avatars record on the "highest-grossing film of all time"?
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Do you think The Force Awakens will crush Avatars record on the "highest-grossing film of all time"?
God I hope so.
Even worst case it should crack $1bn. If the movie is actually good, it should be around $1.5bn, and if it's amazing, who knows.
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Yea even if it turns out to be meh it still will gross gianormously and crush atleast some records. If it's on pair with the insane hype that's been cooking the last year or so there's no above limit how much this movie will gross.
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Do you think The Force Awakens will crush Avatars record on the "highest-grossing film of all time"?
It will make a shitload just because it is Star Wars.
If it is really, really good and gets a lot of repeat business, then yes, it will beat Avatar.
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The Phantom Menace was one of the biggest movies ever, and that movie was awful. The trailer alone for The Force Awakens is already a better movie than TPM, and it already has a ton of positive PR going in.
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The Phantom Menace was one of the biggest movies ever, and that movie was awful. The trailer alone for The Force Awakens is already a better movie than TPM, and it already has a ton of positive PR going in.
Just like the 2009 Star trek Movie. :neverusethis:
Some purist didn't like it though. Mmmmnnnn..........
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There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.
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There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.
What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek. Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.
So it is very similar so far.
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One might also think about the fact though that when Avatar went up on screen the whole digital 3D spectacle was a huge magnet for people to lift their asses and go to the movie theatre.
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There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.
What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek. Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.
So it is very similar so far.
Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity. :biggrin:
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Well, i think after the last 3 Star Wars movies, fans are dying for Star Wars as well. :biggrin:
One might also think about the fact though that when Avatar went up on screen the whole digital 3D spectacle was a huge magnet for people to lift their asses and go to the movie theatre.
Very true. That was a huge pull. I remember many of my friends loosing it over the I-MAX 3D.
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There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.
What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek. Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.
So it is very similar so far.
Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity. :biggrin:
I agree with Blob 100%. I love Star Trek, but there is absolutely no comparison here as far as level of excitement and anticipation. The fan base for Star Trek is much smaller than that of Star Wars.
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Well, i think after the last 3 Star Wars movies, fans are dying for Star Wars as well. :biggrin:
There's been plenty in the meantime for Star Wars fans, including a couple of cartoon series, video games, great merchandise etc. And they're getting a real Star Wars movie at the end of the year. Star Wars is one of the most well managed franchises from a fan perspective, despite the crappy prequels. Star Trek has never really compared in that regard, unfortunately.
NOW QUIT IT!
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Do you think The Force Awakens will crush Avatars record on the "highest-grossing film of all time"?
God I hope so.
Even worst case it should crack $1bn. If the movie is actually good, it should be around $1.5bn, and if it's amazing, who knows.
I think it will make $2bn easily.
If it's in 3D it will make an extra 33% on top of that. Plus repeat viewings and DIsney will kep it in the cinemas for about 6 months which will also help.
I'm gonna say 1.5bn EASILY. 2bn most likely and $3bn not a chance.
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despite the crappy prequels. Star Trek has never really compared in that regard
I Agree. Star Trek has never had any crappy prequels. :neverusethis:
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I feel this movie is going to break whatever the world record is for highest grossing movie of all time. It's going to. People were excited about The Avengers, they're going to be 10x more excited about this.
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There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.
What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek. Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.
So it is very similar so far.
Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity. :biggrin:
I agree with Blob 100%. I love Star Trek, but there is absolutely no comparison here as far as level of excitement and anticipation. The fan base for Star Trek is much smaller than that of Star Wars.
Oh I agree, i'm just playing with Blob and he knows it. :lol
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It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man. :hat
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It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man. :hat
Including Best Star Wars Movie.
i.e. The first "good" one. :neverusethis:
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It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man. :hat
Including Best Star Wars Movie.
i.e. The first "good" one. :neverusethis:
Someone needs to learn to love The Empire Strikes Back. :neverusethis:
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https://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-to-be-081934213.html
About damn time...
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Groovy. I might even snap them up !
But what aspect ratio will they be ? And will they be digitally remastered ?
I think they should do a JAWS type digital remaster . Clean everything up and release on Blu Ray in 16:9 with no new footage.
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Whatever. If they release them in 16:9 with a bit of a clean up on Blu ray with nothing new added. I reckon they'll make an absolute fortune.
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https://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-to-be-081934213.html
About damn time...
1. About fucking time
2. I will buy it day one.
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3. I hope it makes a killing.
4. I hope George Lucre doesn't get a penny of it.
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I would like to buy that, but I already have the newest (I think) bluray box with all six films, which are the new versions with all the weird changes. I don't know if I'll want to spend money buying movies I already own, even if I'd like to have the theatrical cuts..
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It is a great day when my seven year old son watches a Star Wars Marathon with me and says. Dad, Yoda rules and that Jar Jar sucks . Proud Dad I am :rollin
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I imagine this will be like literally every other movie that has come out in the last ten years: if I see it, I will enjoy it while it is on the screen, and then I will never think about it again.
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I think people are overly optimistic on how much this might gross. In today's dollars, sure, it might get bigger than Avatar. In real terms, I highly doubt it. Avatar had something (the recorded 3D aspect) that was completely original and unique to the industry, and some absolutely stunning cinematography. That's why it was able to top Titanic. I don't think Star Wars has enough in the brand to overcome that. People went to see it for the hype, and went back to see it because it was gorgeous.
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it.
*prepares for the fanboys to dispute this*
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We're all just speculating at this point, so all we can do is wait and see. I won't claim it will top Avatar (as I said, I think that will entirely depend on how good the movie actually is, because it doesn't have gimmicks to rely on), but I don't think anyone would doubt that it's going to make a shitload of money one way or another. The only question is just how large a shitload of money it will be. :lol
But I think there is definitely potential to do it. If an average dinosaur movie can make $1.6bn, I believe anything is possible.
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If Avatar relied on a gimmick - ( namely 3D I assume ) - how come it made damn near $3bn worldwide and not every 3D movie makes close to that ?
Must just be the 3D.
It couldn't possibly be the fact that people enjoyed it and kept going back.
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If an average dinosaur movie can make $1.6bn, I believe anything is possible.
Yeah. :| Literally no idea how that happened. It wasn't even that amazing. It was a fun film. But Not THAT good.
It's not even like the dinosaurs looked super realistic ( they looked awful ).
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It couldn't possibly be the fact that people enjoyed it and kept going back.
I'm not saying people didn't enjoy it, but the visuals were a motivating factor for many people seeing it, and even the people who liked it mostly admitted the plot itself was nothing great or original.
It would be hard to deny that the 3D was at least a big factor. I'm not saying people couldn't otherwise enjoy it! There have been a ton of 3D movies since, but it was the first of the modern trend, so it stood apart at the time, and a lot of the 3D movies since have been sloppy post-conversions, which made the novelty wear off pretty quickly. At the time, there weren't really other 3D movies to see, nor the consumer equipment to watch it at home.
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I really don't think that Avatar made $2,800,000,000 just from it being in 3D.
I don't know why but some people ( not having a go at anyone on here ) can't seem to accept that people actually enjoyed the movie.
They always put it down to " The 3D was a gimmick " - despite it being one of the best 3D movies - not only at the time but also since.
Or it only made that much because it was re-released.
Star Trek 2009 was in the cinema for six whole months and made a whopping $385m so that's not it either.
And as for the basic plot. I actually liked it BECAUSE of the basic plot.
tl;dr - some people liked the movie despite all the "gimmicks"...
NOW - STAR WARS.
I might actually get the Theatrical Trilogy on Blu Ray and i'm interested in Force Awakens and will go and see it. But i'm more excited for Star Trek Beyond, obviously :p
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As I just said, I didn't at all say that people didn't enjoy the film on its own merits, and I didn't say that it made $3bn only because it was 3D. Why bother arguing against this mythical "they"?
I simply said that it was helped by the novelty of 3D, because that was a unique experience at the time. Not sure what the problem is with that. Maybe it made an extra $1bn because of the 3D, maybe $500m, maybe $1.5bn, I don't know. There's no doubt it would have still been huge, but if people wanted to see a 3D movie, their only option at the time was to pay to see it again. It definitely brought in a lot of the repeat viewings, regardless of how good or bad the film was.
I'll believe they're releasing the OOT on Bluray when I see it. This rumour has been brought up too many times for me to believe it. :lol
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I'll believe they're releasing the OOT on Bluray when I see it. This rumour has been brought up too many times for me to believe it. :lol
Indeed. But it would never have happened under George Lucre because he has no idea what people want and doesn't give a shit.
Now that Disney own the rights and will be looking to make a return on their $4bn investment - it seems highly logical....(captain).....
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Lucas probably didn't want to release his "unfinished" versions to the world.
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I read somewhere that from merchandise alone they're set to make about $5bn from this movie. I don't think they'll have any problem getting a return on their investment.
It's a big undertaking to restore the OOT, but the movie needs to be rescanned for future releases above 1080p anyway, so hopefully this will really happen.
Lucas was a jerk who didn't care about what anyone else wanted.
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You just need to watch the RLM reviews to see this.
In Episode II Behind The Scenes - he is ADAMANT that Jar Jar stay.
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At this point I've probably seen the Plinkett Prequel reviews more times than the actual prequels. They're definitely better made, more entertaining and more enjoyable to watch.
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At this point I've probably seen the Plinkett Prequel reviews more times than the actual prequels. They're definitely better made, more entertaining and more enjoyable to watch.
This right here.
I've seen those reviews so many times. Its nice to see someone make gold out of shit.
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And they're way better written too.
A critique by actual people with film knowledge about a film maker who has no clue about making films.
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I'm not sure why everyone is treating this rumor about the original theatrical releases like it is actually going to happen.
It comes from John Landis. I love John Landis, but he isn't associated with Star Wars in any way.
The logistics on such a thing wouldn't be easy. Disney can't just do it because they want to do it. The distribution rights for the first film belong to Fox forever, so that will need to be worked out (although Fox would be stupid not to work it out).
I'll believe it when Disney puts out a press release about it.
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Disney : We're releasing the original theatrical trilogy in 16:9 and digitally remastered !
FOX : We haven't agreed to this.
Disney : But we already put out our press release !
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And they're way better written too.
A critique by actual people with film knowledge about a film maker who has no clue about making films.
Really? What film knowledge do they actually have? What films had they made prior to their Star Wars review? I'm genuinely curious. What is their experience with filmmaking?
"Mike Stoklasa" and "Jay Bauman" redirect on Wikipedia to "RedLetterMedia", which are famous solely because of their reviews of Star Wars. How can you really say they have more film knowledge than George Lucas? At best, they are good at capitalizing on big-budget franchises by telling the people who made a bunch of money off them how wrong they are because Film 101. Bear in mind, I hated the prequels, but you have to admit that the Plinkett reviews are as pretentious as anything gets. Their popularity is evidence that there are are enough people in the world who have taken Film Studies courses to actually create a targettable demographic, yet most of them also don't make any films.
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Really? What film knowledge do they actually have? What films had they made prior to their Star Wars review? I'm genuinely curious. What is their experience with filmmaking?
Experience is not needed for valid criticism. Ever. In anything. Regarding people who also have no knowledge whatsoever, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while – sometimes failure is just incredibly evident from context (other films they've seen) alone.
Obviously, the most educated and best critiques will always be from people who do have the experience.
The problem, or rather one of the biggest problems, with the "where's your summer blockbuster?" argument is that it's an incredibly slippery slope. If I need to make a film – which is incredibly difficult to achieve on any level – just to be able to validly say Attack of the Clones is poorly made, what if I do, but the one I make is a romcom with no-name actors that only ever gets played at a small film festival and never goes anywhere? Besides the actual mechanic of following a film through completion, I'm not informed enough by that to go through a huge sci-fi film with a bajillion dollars of CGI and a year of postproduction and critique those elements. So now I have to go out and somehow make a huge budget sci-fi epic to critique AOTC?
No. I don't have to make any movies whatsoever. I have to see some well made ones, and perhaps read some well written stories, to inform my critique. And the critique will likely be just as valid as some big name director.
It's the same as saying only politicians can critique the political system, or only audio engineers can critique the production of the last DT album. No. That is not a valid response to someone's criticism. It's an ad hominem.
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I like the prequels. There are things about them I could do with out (Jar Jar) and there a things that I love (Most of Episode 3). That being said any film is another type of art. As with any type of art be it film, music, paintings, etc. people are going to have different reactions/opinions about them. You could take the most experienced film maker and have him say that the prequels were shit and it wouldn't change the fact that I still like them. Those guys don't like the prequels. Good for them, don't watch them then. I think it's pathetic when people try to prove to others that something is a piece of shit. Toll 2 is the worst movie ever and people LOVE it. What a film expert say about that.
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That is not a valid response to someone's criticism. It's an ad hominem.
I hate when people do that.
" I'm really not a big fan of [such and such] "
" Too bad. You're just an idiot. "
Then they think that means they "won" the argument....
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That is not a valid response to someone's criticism. It's an ad hominem.
I hate when people do that.
" I'm really not a big fan of [such and such] "
" Too bad. You're just an idiot. "
Then they think that means they "won" the argument....
Especially with music
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There are apparently rumors that Hayden Christensen will reprise his role as Vader in Rogue One and possibly in some capacity for Episode VIII.
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I don't think that would happen, but surprisingly I would be all for it. He's not an amazing actor, but I always felt the harsh criticism towards him was overblown. His character was poorly written, and I don't even think Daniel Day-Lewis would have been able to read lines like "Sand is coarse and rough, and it gets everywhere" without it sounding terrible. Plus, I always like when they pay respect to continuity. The prequels might not be the best movies, but IF they are planning on using Vader, I like the idea of using Hayden. Plus, he's already Vader so we don't have to see his face. ;)
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I would be a little surprised if they do that.
From what I understand, they are wanting to play up the ties to the OT, but not the PT.
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I'm with hef. If they were to show Vader, why would they even need him? I doubt they'd show his face, and he doesn't do the voice either.
While they obviously won't deny/ignore the PT, I don't think they'll play it up in any way. I don't see any benefit to doing so.
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If they cast him for anything at all it'll be as a ghost, not as Darth Vader.
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If they cast him for anything at all it'll be as a ghost, not as Darth Vader.
Rogue One is set around the same time as A New Hope. It's about some ...well Rogue faction trying to steal the plans to the Death Star.
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Episode VIII isn't, though. :P
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No.
It's 30 years since ROTJ. They really need at least one Star Wars film if not all of the sequels to not be about Vader.
There were 3 original films mostly about Vader and his redemption and then a further 3 films about his journey to become Vader.
We do not need any more Vader.
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I think a lot of the greatness in Vader was completely ruined in the prequels when they went from having him be a normal jedi who went bad, to being Space Jesus, conceived without a father.
As much as I like the idea of having the Skywalker-family line central of the whole Star Wars story, we have Luke now, and possibly one of the younger characters being his child. We don't NEED to shove Darth Vader into this again. It makes sense for him to appear in Rogue One, and he definitely should, but shoving him into the future movies would just be doing the prequel-mistake again. UNLESS he shows up as a force ghost and it makes sense.
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I think a lot of the greatness in Vader was completely ruined in the prequels when they went from having him be a normal jedi who went bad, to being Space Jesus, conceived without a father.
As much as I like the idea of having the Skywalker-family line central of the whole Star Wars story, we have Luke now, and possibly one of the younger characters being his child. We don't NEED to shove Darth Vader into this again. It makes sense for him to appear in Rogue One, and he definitely should, but shoving him into the future movies would just be doing the prequel-mistake again. UNLESS he shows up as a force ghost and it makes sense.
I agree with all of this.
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I never really liked the whole "force ghost" thing to begin with. It takes away some of the fear for the characters (the jedi at least) because they'll be fine as ghosts if they die anyways. And it's a bit of a convencience to have them show up and drop knowledge or advice and then just peace out. So I hope they won't play too much on that in the future movies. But I guess a quick Anakin cameo would be fun as long as it's only that, a quick cameo.
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Just my take, but they are kind of in a rock in a hard place. The prequels f'd up Vader's premise. So now they, at least from a continuality/story wise have to scramble to try and put it as reasonable. I wish them luck.
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But it's JJ directing so Kylo Ren will take his mask off halfway through 7 and go I am VADER !!!!
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But it's JJ directing so Kylo Ren will take his mask off halfway through 7 and go I am VADER !!!!
You owe me a new laptop. Cause I just laughed my ass off and have diet mountain dew over my laptop.
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Maybe it was Vader with his Jedi skills that took down the Lost plane. What a crossover that would be for JJ.
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" I thought Midichlorians were to blame for the force ? "
" No Luke...It was MY BLOOD "
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LOL Possibilities are endless :rollin
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SLV wasn't the one that stated the credentials. SLV just questioned them. SLV didn't say they couldn't criticize. But if you are going to hold up RLM as holding more merit and have another state the merit means something
Obviously, the most educated and best critiques will always be from people who do have the experience.
then SLV's post was perfectly legit. (I should know. I helped run a website forum :lol )
Glad you understood where I was coming from. I encourage everyone to criticize things as much as possible. That's why I'm criticizing RedLetterMedia, despite the fact that I have never written a widely-watched Youtube video about a summer blockbuster. :P
I think some people spend so much time looking for logical fallacies that it impedes their own ability to logically consider what they are reading.
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SLV wasn't the one that stated the credentials. SLV just questioned them. SLV didn't say they couldn't criticize. But if you are going to hold up RLM as holding more merit and have another state the merit means something
Obviously, the most educated and best critiques will always be from people who do have the experience.
then SLV's post was perfectly legit. (I should know. I helped run a website forum :lol )
Glad you understood where I was coming from. I encourage everyone to criticize things as much as possible. That's why I'm criticizing RedLetterMedia, despite the fact that I have never written a widely-watched Youtube video about a summer blockbuster. :P
I think some people spend so much time looking for logical fallacies that it impedes their own ability to logically consider what they are reading.
I also think that a lot of people forget that in the grand scheme of things movies are just movies. I get that people are passionate about them, hell I can't wait for Episode VII, but I think that when people get excited about something and then end up not liking it they try to prove to others that it sucks rather than accepting that they just didn't like it for whatever reason. Everyone has an opinion and I believe that everyone's opinion is relevant. Just becasue some nerds want to spend their time making you tube videos trying to prove what THEY think sucks, or reediting The Hobbit (which I take huge issue with, would someone touch up the Mona Lisa because they didn't like the colors used) doesn't mean they are right.
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Aren't the Peter Jackson Hobbit movies just one big, three-movie-long attempt to mess with the Mona Lisa though? :P
I personally have not seen them, mostly because I don't want to ruin my childhood.
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First, a big happy birthday to Mr. Hammil!! That dude rocks.
Next, I'm sure it could just as easily go in the Video Game thread but I'm going to put it here because I want to say how awesome the story is instead of focusing on the video game aspects: KOTR is a fucking awesome game and I'm just now getting into them and I'm not sure why it took me this long. But holy hell. I mean, it's a great video game itself and the RPG leveling, weapons and armor system, and the Action/RPG combat is great, but it really feels like a great Star Wars story told with the player molding their own story the way they want to. Especially considering when it came out and how amazing all of the possibilities of choices and such were at the time. I am not a big Star Wars fan by any means; I really like the universe it set up and I'm a stickler for sci/fi, but the fandom pretty much ends there.
However, this game really pulled me in to the world and it made me appreciate and enjoy all the little details of the universe a lot more than any movie has thus far. All the races, the dialects, the different planets and such...really great game that just so happens to portray the universe much better than any of the prequels did, in my eyes anyway. I'm not someone who is a big enough fan that I just love shitting all over Lucas, the prequels and all that...truthfully, I don't give enough of a shit to do that; but this game did kind of put a spotlight on that for me and made me realize that even if they don't rape my entire mind like they do some people apparently, they are done in a very, very different fashion and the details aren't as meticulously explored.
That's all, I just wanted to say that any fan of video games and Star Wars should really check it out if you like RPG games (I'd call it Action/RPG, but I still think it's more classic than full-on Action/RPG).
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KOTOR=one of the best games ever. Would love Bioware to make another.
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Tio, really glad you posted that because I'm also playing KOTOR for the first time and was wondering whether I should post here or in the VG thread. :lol
Have to say, I basically hate the gameplay mechanics. I'm playing it on PC and even just moving around is not intuitive at all, and the combat system is very awkward compared to, well, most games. But I can tolerate it now I've got used to it, and I agree that the story is nicely told and the RPG elements are rather excellent.
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I'm currently making my way through KotOR as well. But I'm just not a gamer, something I am reminded of every time I start the game up. I just don't enjoy gaming enough to get through it. The story is interesting enough, but all the things I have to do to get through it just annoys me. I got it because I'm interesting in Star Wars in general, and wanted to know the story (and maybe a little because my long time crush recommended it to me), but I don't think I'll get through this game.
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SONY CLASSICAL TO RELEASE ULTIMATE EDITIONS OF ORIGINAL STAR WARS SOUNDTRACKS (https://www.starwars.com/news/sony-classical-to-release-ultimate-editions-of-original-star-wars-soundtracks)
You know, if you care about this sort of thing.
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Yeah you've definitely got to be a pretty hardcore RPG gamer to not be annoyed by the little idiosyncrasies of the system. I can relate to the mechanics annoyances though, Ariich; but I expected it given its age as well as the type of game that it is. Like you guys said though, it's the world and the story that really propel me to keep playing; it's certainly not the most 'fun' (mechanics-wise) game to play but if you're into the story, it's a real treat.
Next, I'm sure it could just as easily go in the Video Game thread but
You sound like me organizing my HDD storage. Most things have general master folders like movies, tv, music, audiobook, books, sheet music, etc, etc.
Star Wars is the only specific *brand* master folder.
Same :lol Except I don't have a SW folder. But I've got umbrella folders for my anime, games and such. I definitely have a folder called DRAGONBALLZ.
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The KoTOR games are very good indeed. Regarding the second one: a lot of content was left out/unfinished there, so here's a good mod (https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-sith-lords-restored-content-mod-tslrcm) to restore all that which allows you to play the games as it was meant to be.
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Next, I'm sure it could just as easily go in the Video Game thread but
You sound like me organizing my HDD storage. Most things have general master folders like movies, tv, music, audiobook, books, sheet music, etc, etc.
Star Wars is the only specific *brand* master folder.
somewhat related: today i re-organized my (programming) projects directory so that c had its own subdirectory, java had its own subdirectory, rust had its own subdirectory, python had its own subdirectory, javascript had its own subdirectory, etc... this does not make anything easier to find, and everything is now an extra directory away, but at least everything is in its proper place now.
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I don't like RPGs much at all, and KotOR is one of my all time favorite games! I never did beat the final boss though. And I still need to play through it on the dark side.
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That's what great about it is that it's a really perfect blend of half action and half RPG. I probably see more of the RPG elements given that's the main games that I play, but it's definitely not the traditional kind.
Funny enough, I just bought it for iOS and I am loving it so much more than PC. :rollin I really like the touch controls and on my 6plus, the whole 'tiny screen' issue disappears. Plus I've hardly been home recently so it's really great having it on the go. It's a load of fun and one of the best ports I've seen graphics and control wise. Good stuff. This game may just turn me onto Star Wars, I'm getting hyped for the new one from playing this. Hopefully it turns out good. I'm not expecting anything as in depth in terms of how they explore the universe in the game obviously, but I'm hoping that it's more expansive than the prequels...I mean, shit...it better be. :lol
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Yeah you've definitely got to be a pretty hardcore RPG gamer to not be annoyed by the little idiosyncrasies of the system. I can relate to the mechanics annoyances though, Ariich; but I expected it given its age as well as the type of game that it is. Like you guys said though, it's the world and the story that really propel me to keep playing; it's certainly not the most 'fun' (mechanics-wise) game to play but if you're into the story, it's a real treat.
For sure, that's why I was interested in playing the game and that's why I'm liking it. I don't think I expected the mechanics to be quite so rubbish, but as I said I've got used to them and so I can tolerate them and focus on the important stuff.
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i loved KOTOR so much.
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i loved KOTOR so much.
:emo: Me too. me too.
... Oh wait you said Kotor. not Kotow.
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I don't like RPGs much at all, and KotOR is one of my all time favorite games! I never did beat the final boss though. And I still need to play through it on the dark side.
Ok so I booted this bad boy up and still had my saved game from years ago. I don't know why, but everything I read online about beating Malak wouldn't work for me. It was a painful battle with lots of saves, but I finally beat him. Longest start-to-finish gameplay in my life. Now I will start a Dark Side mission.
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I never beat Malak :'(
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RIP Luke Skywalker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqtUAg4hkw&sns=em)
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I've been interested in checking out Rebels before SW7 comes out, is it true there's a movie, then 13 episodes (S1) and then another movie?
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Sort of, the movies are basically 2-3 episodes tied together. SW Rebels is definitely worth watching!
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How is The Clone Wars? Is that worth watching? Rebels is pretty good. Looking forward to the new season!
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How is The Clone Wars? Is that worth watching? Rebels is pretty good. Looking forward to the new season!
This is my view of TCW, from a few pages ago:
Something else: I've been watching the Clone Wars animated series for a few weeks now. Aside from a few filler episodes (mostly in seasons 1 and 2), I think this series is really good. It has more character development than the prequel trilogy combined, has good voice acting, and a few key story elements of the SW Saga are elaborated upon, such as Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, his relationship with Padmé and the reasons and politics behind the Clone Wars. I haven't watched all the episodes; instead I use this guide (https://www.starwarsreport.com/2012/09/24/17-essential-the-clone-wars-episodes-to-watch-before-season-5/) and the individual episode ratings on IMDb to determine which episodes I'll skip; if the rating is too low for my taste, the synopsis doesn't sound interesting and the episode is not on the aforementioned list, I skip the episode.
Of course the show was made for children, and that's easy to notice sometimes. But it's not really a kids version of Star Wars per se. The stories tend to be pretty good, and as I said, make up for a lot of seemingly illogical stuff in the prequels IMO. I'd recommend it to every SW fan. It may not be everyone's cup of tea but personally, I love it.
I have now finished watching the whole series and I'm working my way through the released story reels on the SW website. It's really amazing. I watched every single episode starting from season 4. As stated above, for the first 3 seasons I used the guide and IMDb.
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new trailer October 19th.
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new trailer October 19th.
Any other info ?
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new trailer October 19th.
Any other info ?
according to this, it's really cool and there will be a new logo debuted as well...
https://makingstarwars.net/2015/10/star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-and-logo-coming-this-monday/
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New LOGO?? :\
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New LOGO?? :\
Maybe more in keeping with the logos of the OT (showing the episode number)?
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STAR WARS
EPISODE 7
THE FORCE AWAKENS
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it is 30 years since darth vader died and luke got his hand chopped off and got a robot hand.
Han solo and princess lei got married and had like 3 babies and they grew up to be jedi too. But now theres a new baddie called kylo ren who is very bad
his lightsaber is red which is the baddies colour lightsaber. fin and diasy must help the goodies stop kylo ren from doing bad things and save everyone from the baddies
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Trailer and tickets on sale tomorrow! :metal
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That poster is AWESOME!
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That's all kinds of awesome!
I wonder where Luke is though?
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That's all kinds of awesome!
I wonder where Luke is though?
My guess is they want to keep him secret until the movie comes. I mean we know he will be in it, but I don't think they'll show him in the trailer either.
Awesome poster! :heart
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Plot twist : Mark Hamill is in voice over only. :lol
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Could Luke be the Villian meaning he turns or have turned to the dark side?
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Could Luke be the Villian meaning he turns or have turned to the dark side?
He could, but the popular theory is that he has been training/living in isolation for many years and that Rey (Daisy Ridley) is his daughter and eventually seeks him out. I don't think they will corrupt Luke to be honest. We already saw that happen with Vader, and I think Luke will stay good and be the Obi-Wan of the new trilogy, guiding the younger ones. I also think we'll see a Luke vs Snoke lightsaber duel in Ep8 or 9.
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I doubt it. Surely that would make ROTJ meaningless ?
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Yea I doubt it too, because he wasn't on the poster I thought maybe he actually is the guy in the mask.
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Nah that's Kylo Ren played by Adam Driver. I think he'll be the Vader of this trilogy and Snoke (Andy Serkis) will be the Emperor-type of character.
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I've heard (rumour?) that Luke won't feature til near the end of the new trilogy but we'll find out for sure!!
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Nah that's Kylo Ren played by Adam Driver. I think he'll be the Vader of this trilogy and Snoke (Andy Serkis) will be the Emperor-type of character.
One can see the deepness of my research.... :lol :blush
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LOVE the poster :metal
It screams all kinds of badass
tomorrow can not come fast enough
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tomorrow can not come fast enough
Errr....the film is out in December ?
i know what you meant ell oh ell
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Harrison, Carrie, and Mark have top billing. That doesn't mean as much as it used to, but still interesting. Cool that Han has his original blaster. And I know that there is plenty of photo magic going on there, but when the hell is Father Time going to catch up to him?
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Cool that Han has his original blaster.
Because if he didn't - TEH INTERNETZ would go apeshit. Despite this being thirty years later and of course everyone has the exact same posessions after thirty years but JJ ABRAMS RUINED LE STAR WARS...
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Well, he did ruin Star Trek, so maybe he will be 2 for 2!
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:angry: how did he ruin star trek ? Into Darkness made $400m
I wouldn't say "ruined". Paramount may have stuck their nose in and forced them to make it more action-y.
I agree with what Mike Stoklasa said. They're never going to spend $250m on a Star Trek movie to have it make $60m back.
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Duuuuuude I love that poster. Gorgeous! I think this will be the first time in my life I'm anticipating a Star Wars movie at all, let alone being pretty excited about it. I might even venture to the theater to see it. ...Maybe.
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There are some teaser trailers out there - 10-15 secs each.
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Too bad no one at Paramount stuck their noses in and forced them to make it better.
My "ruin" remark was a play off of your sarcastic comment. Of course no one can ruin a franchise, especially one as large as Trek or SW. But his two Trek movies didn't do anything for me in terms of the overall legend of Trek. They are just two mediocre movies in the series of Trek movies that ranged from excellent to downright bad.
I never understood the worship of Abrams, but I don't watch TV so never got in to any of his shows, which I know are generally highly regarded.
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I don't worship him or anything.
But I thought ST09 was miles better than the previous two at least.
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Haven't seen any of the old Trek movies, or any of old TV shows, but I think the two new ones are alright. Not without problems, but fun, and I'd even say above average, entertaining summer movies.
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Haven't seen any of the old Trek movies, or any of old TV shows, but I think the two new ones are alright. Not without problems, but fun, and I'd even say above average, entertaining summer movies.
Pretty much. The thing that people who hate them can't wrap their brains around is - I'm aware of the problems - BUT I ENJOYED THEM ANYWAY...
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Wooh I just noticed the Death Star or more like 2.0!
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Oh holy crap, I somehow missed that too (I didn't enlarge it till now either. Doh)! That looks pretty wicked. I love the composition of the poster. Rey splitting the light and dark side with the 'staff'(?) and it being
perpendicular parallel to Kylo's saber. Great stuff, you hardly see posters like that anymore. For the winnings, the symmetry is.
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Apparently it's a "Starbase Killer" and not a Death Star.
https://www.starwars.com/databank/starkiller-base
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Rey splitting the light and dark side with the 'staff'(?) and it being perpendicular to Kylo's saber.
Parrallel, but yeah I noticed that too, cool stuff.
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(https://i.imgur.com/9hoQOCJ.jpg)
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Apparently it's a "Starbase Killer" and not a Death Star.
https://www.starwars.com/databank/starkiller-base
Eh, me and my friend just call it "Spikey", the cutest weapon of mass destruction in the galaxy!
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Rey splitting the light and dark side with the 'staff'(?) and it being perpendicular to Kylo's saber.
Parrallel, but yeah I noticed that too, cool stuff.
Oops! Right. :lol
and awesome montage of the posters. I think my favorite might just be Force Awakens, with the original right behind it.
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Tickets were released in Sweden today and I just ordered IMAX tickets to this bad boy. :metal
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Bad day to oversleep. :lol The Wednesday screenings were pretty much sold out (some fairly bad seats left, but screw that), but I managed to get tickets for Thursday night, back row and center, my favorite spot. One day wait more is gonna be tough, but if I have a job or anything in December (not that unlikely) then waiting another day will probably go fairly quick.
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and awesome montage of the posters. I think my favorite might just be Force Awakens, with the original right behind it.
I wouldn't say I love the original poster, but that image is hugely iconic so I've definitely got a soft spot for it.
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Tickets were released in Sweden today and I just ordered IMAX tickets to this bad boy. :metal
Awesome, I have a serious itch to travel to Stockholm just to see it in IMAX.
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Tickets were released in Sweden today and I just ordered IMAX tickets to this bad boy. :metal
Awesome, I have a serious itch to travel to Stockholm just to see it in IMAX.
Do it! It'll be the first time I'll see a movie in an IMAX theatre since we didn't have those here in Sweden. I'd say the new Star Wars movie is an excellent way to take my IMAX virginity. :biggrin:
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It'll be the first time I travel somewhere to see a movie but yea if there's one movie worth it, TFA would be the one.
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I didn't think it was possible but I'm getting even more excited for Episode VII. Can't wait for the trailer tonight.
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I saw Prometheus in an IMAX and that was amazing.
but I saw Into Darkness at the BFI in London which is the UK's biggest IMAX screen and it was too big and the picture was blurry. :\
So I would recommend not going for the biggest IMAX screen you can find.
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Another swede here, and my cousin managed to get four tickets for wednesday! Super excited.
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I think my favorite might just be Force Awakens, with the original right behind it.
I love how Darth Maul is the big bad in that poster when he's in the movie for like 15 minutes tops and dies almost immediately. :rollin
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People say Darth Maul was cool, but maybe that's because he got little screen time, no dialogue which made him fairly mysterious. I'm sure if he got more screen time and had to deliver bad George Lucas prequel dialogue like the others, he wouldn't be so cool anymore.
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There really was no point to Darth Maul at all.
Does he actually do anything in TPM ? Like - which has consequences ( besides killing Qui Gon of course - which itself has no consequences ) ??
He is never mentioned again after he dies either in TPM or any of the sequels....
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Doesn't he show up in The Clone Wars? I've only seen an episode here or there, so hardly an expert.
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Yeah, he shows up in the Clone Wars again. And he's a way more interesting character than in TPM.
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I hated Maul when he first showed back up in Clone Wars. But once he got his shit together he was much cooler again.
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Yeah, he shows up in the Clone Wars again. And he's a way more interesting character than in TPM.
I read a SWU book about him as an assassin - Shadow Hunter. Real fuckin good.
I think the appeal of Maul was that he was one piece of a mother-fucking badass light saber duel. The duels in the OT were slow and lumbering for the most part. Then you have this 2-on-1, with a dual blade saber, jumps/flips, speed. It was incredible. That is where the 'awe' of Maul comes from (imo).
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I sure am glad orange/blue contrast made it into the new Star Wars poster.
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I sure am glad orange/blue contrast made it into the new Star Wars poster.
it's not a movie poster otherwise !!!!!!
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I think my favorite might just be Force Awakens, with the original right behind it.
I love how Darth Maul is the big bad in that poster when he's in the movie for like 15 minutes tops and dies almost immediately. :rollin
I actually meant the first movie, episode IV(?), not the first one in the timeline. But yeah it's pretty weird.
He was a cool character as a kid, because obviously his look and aesthetics whilst fighting is awesome, but after watching the movie again as an adult, he's clearly meant to be just that: A fun fight. The prequels really seemed to try and pull in a younger audience and usher in a new era of Star Wars fans and that was a big aspect of that movie, I think.
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:hug: yeah I know you meant A New Hope but I was just pointing out the funny side of the Episode I poster.
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PLOT TWIST
The new Trilogy are so ludicrously lucrative they decide to go WAY back and do a trilogy of Prequel PREQUELS.
Episodes -3 -2 and -1 :lol
Future Generations are like " The CGI is really good then really shit then they have rubbish sets then its good CGI again wtf "
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:lol Oh my god the sad thing is I can totally see that happening if Lucas was still behind it.
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:lol Oh my god the sad thing is I can totally see that happening if Lucas was still behind it.
Maybe years ago but for the longest time he was dead against any more films after the prequels.
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Fandango is already down. Hope I can get opening night IMAX tickets!
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I am seeing articles that say SW fans are upset they have to watch football to view the trailer :D
When this is up and viewed/posted, can someone articulate how much the trailer appears to reveal. Thanks!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
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I just came all over myself
Sweet merciful mother of god
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
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I watched it, I adored it... But at this point, I'm almost getting to the point where not only do I not want any spoilers, but I don't want to hear a lot of speculation either. I might check this thread a few more times, but I'm thinking I may just "go dark" soon. What if one of the speculations was right? I've never had a movie that I wanted to be a surprise more than this one...not ever.
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I might check this thread a few more times, but I'm thinking I may just "go dark" soon. What if one of the speculations was right? I've never had a movie that I wanted to be a surprise more than this one...not ever.
That's about where I am at. I generally stay away from specific reviews and threads about movies before seeing them. And while I am not totally geeked out to see this movie, I want to see it with as little knowledge going in as possible. See you guys on the other side!
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hmmm
I don't know what to think. First the poster brings out Starkiller base which seemed a step too far.
And I knew all about the rumors of Kylo Ren, but the whole I will finish what you started did not sit well with me. The trailer took A New Hope's regression even further from Ep 1 = mega-Jedi to Ep 4 = I heard about the Jedi to Ep 7 = were the Jedi even real?
On a very positive note, I loved Finn's reaction going into the Kylo Ren duel. He is overmatched and the fear is all over his face and body.
You are completely under-estimating how quickly things can fall into the depths. There are HUGE swaths of kids who have never even heard of Bloom County...and that is still out there for everyone to see. Can you imagine of someone (or something) buried all the stories of what happened? At the very least, most of us are aware of the probable plot point that Luke (who is the last and final Jedi) has gone into hiding. If people thought it better that The Force was never discussed for fear of The Dark Side coming back and creating another Empire (that is, if *everyone* felt that it was for the greater good that the force was never mentioned again) this becomes not only plausible, but a definite certainty.
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And herein lies the first known analogy comparing the Force to Bloom County.
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:lol
(cue everyone on this forum under 30 asking "what's Bloom County" and thus underlining my point)
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I watched it, I adored it... But at this point, I'm almost getting to the point where not only do I not want any spoilers, but I don't want to hear a lot of speculation either. I might check this thread a few more times, but I'm thinking I may just "go dark" soon. What if one of the speculations was right? I've never had a movie that I wanted to be a surprise more than this one...not ever.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Star Wars has broken fandango dot com. :facepalm:
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Took me two hours to secure my tickets. Had to get a later showing but it's still opening day, Thursday.
Also, I posted this on Facebook. What are your thoughts?
Prediction time.
Star Wars is opening on 4500 screens on December 17th. Of the two theaters I've checked, they had 35 to 45 opening showtimes on that day. Let's account for smaller theaters and assume the nationwide average is 30 showtimes on Thursday. Theaters hold anywhere from 50 to 200 people, so we'll assume, on average, that there are 100 people per showing. At 10 dollars per ticket, with all Thursday showings sold out, that's an easy 135 million. And that's just Thursday, not even the whole weekend.
Jurassic World currently holds the weekend record at $208,806,270 domestically, so I'm gonna bet Star Wars hits 300 million its opening weekend in the States and the worldwide totals will hit a billion by its second weekend.
I'm interested to look back on this two months from now and see how far off I am.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
My body is ready.
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Aside from the nostalgia factor with Han and the Falcon I thought it was just a very generic scifi-action trailer and a pretty boring one too. :\
But it's named Star Wars, so the hype train will go on at full speed.
It reminds me of playing the Battlefront beta and I'm sure the movie will be the same: The ingredients may be right there but after a short while of pew pew fun its lack of feel and depth and character will become apparent and leave a bitter taste of hollow emptiness.
At least one can't say Jar Jar Abrams killed both Trek and Wars within one decade: With Star Wars the creator himself accomplished that with the prequels before Abrams could fuck it up even more. :biggrin:
Greetings...
Nef
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Keep in mind trailers are edited for maximum effect to bring in the masses, so it's going to be the pew pew stuff. Whether or not the movie will live up to expectations remains to be seen yet. For a start, this trailer doesn't even show Luke, and we only got a glimpse of him in previous teasers, so they're probably holding back a lot of the juicier stuff and vital story points.
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At least one can't say Jar Jar Abrams killed both Trek and Wars within one decade: With Star Wars the creator himself accomplished that with the prequels before Abrams could fuck it up even more. :biggrin:
Greetings...
Nef
First shot needs to be Binks in Carbonite with the most agonized look on his face - slowly drifting in deep, deep deep space :)
And yeah - people may have trampled over Star Trek Into Darkness but it was still a well made movie with good acting and set pieces. The Star Wars prequels were just bad on every level.
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Kinda agree with Nef on this. I'm super stoked for this, but the trailer doesn't change my level of excitement much. The dogfight with the Millenium Falcon was pretty good.
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I'm not even a Star Wars fan and I think it looks good.
I'll go and see it.
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So the theory that Luke is Kylo Ren ?
Why would they choose someone who is 6 ft 2 to play Kylo Ren when Mark Hamill is 5 ft 7 ?
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So the theory that Luke is Kylo Ren ?
Why would they choose someone who is 6 ft 2 to play Kylo Ren when Mark Hamill is 5 ft 7 ?
From what I've heard, Luke is in hiding and isn't seen a lot in this movie. I haven't read anything solid about him being Kylo Ren, although knowing JJ they're probably trying to lead people on to think it's an option.
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I don't think there is any question that this going to be the biggest movie of all time. It's a perfect storm of nostalgia and hype. I can't think of another movie or franchise that could generate the atmosphere created by The Force Awakens.
I still super excited and have more questions than ever before. I'm not planning on going the first couple of days just because of the crowds but I work right across the street from a movie theater so I may be taking an extended lunch the following Monday.
As for Luke being Kylo Ren, I'm 99% sure that's not true. I'm curious to see who he his and what his back story is. Honestly, I think there is a better chance that he is Darth Maul.
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So the theory that Luke is Kylo Ren ?
No.
BTW, that trailer rocked my face. Can't wait for this one.
Yes, I think it will crush any records for opening weekend for sure, and Avatar's record for total haul might be in trouble too.
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Ugh, Kylo Ren is not Luke.
(https://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/05/Adam-Driver-1536x864-259076953912.jpg)
I mean, look at him. It's more likely that he's Khan.
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I ended up getting tickets to opening night and will also be going the following day with my team from work! There are going to be around 50-60 showing on opening night in the Omaha area so I'd be shocked if they all get sold out.
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There are going to be around 50-60 showing on opening night in the Omaha area so I'd be shocked if they all get sold out.
I wouldn't. The only seats left at my (huge) theater are the occasional shitty front row seats.
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Looks like they are going for that Hunger Games crowd.
Pass.
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So the theory that Luke is Kylo Ren ?
No.
I didn't for one minute think that it would be - as explained in my very next sentence.
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Looks like they are going for that Hunger Games crowd.
Pass.
You are so silly.
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There are going to be around 50-60 showing on opening night in the Omaha area so I'd be shocked if they all get sold out.
I wouldn't. The only seats left at my (huge) theater are the occasional shitty front row seats.
The tickets I ordered aren't assigned. I'm surprised a movie theater would sell assigned tickets.
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and Avatar's record for total haul might be in trouble too. will be surpassed in record time
fix'd that for ya' :lol I don't see any scenario where this movie doesn't crush Avatars record.
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and Avatar's record for total haul might be in trouble too. will be surpassed in record time
fix'd that for ya' :lol I don't see any scenario where this movie doesn't crush Avatars record.
Because Three Billion Dollars is an insane amount of money. I'm not saying it won't happen but it's a huge ask.
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There are going to be around 50-60 showing on opening night in the Omaha area so I'd be shocked if they all get sold out.
I wouldn't. The only seats left at my (huge) theater are the occasional shitty front row seats.
The tickets I ordered aren't assigned. I'm surprised a movie theater would sell assigned tickets.
More and more theaters are doing it these days. All the theaters in my area started doing it over the past couple of years, after they renovated to have reclining leather seats.
(https://cdn.amctheatres.com/theatres/images/Primary/Large/25.jpg)
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Pretty great trailer! I'm not sure what people were expecting. It's Star Wars, it's a continuation, it's a trailer. With the way some comments are worded here, you'd have thought they were seeing the entire film and know now everything! :lol Like I said before, I'm not huge into Star Wars and I didn't have an orgasm over it, but it certainly looks better than your run-of-the-mill sci/fi or action flick from what was shown. I thought the trailer itself was good in that it seems to not have spoiled anything big but expanded on things that almost everyone knew or speculated immensely on (Kylo and Finn fighting in the snowy forest) and built up some other factors whilst showing very brief scenes (Leia and Han's (I think) embrace, aw!). Good trailer! I probably won't see it in theaters is my bet, but maybe. I'm honestly more excited to see the numbers than I am the actual movie. :rollin This thing is going to blow the fuck up no matter what anyone says about it, that's the crazy thing.
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Tickets purchased, midnight showing. I'm so hard right now....
Speculation, it sounds from the trailer like a good deal of time has passed, enough to have faded the memory of the Jedi and Sith. If so, how is Han still alive?
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I believe that it's supposed to be about the same as # of years since the ROTJ movie - about 30 years. I'm kinda surprised the storyline involves a 'mythos' about Jedi and the events of the OT. But hey, perhaps the history books didn't make it to all the galaxies far far away.
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Yep, 30 years later.
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30 years doesn't sound like much until you try to think about different life was 30 years ago. I was born in the mid 80's (30 years ago) and there was no internet, no cell phones, etc. Try explaining to someone what it was like living without the internet to the newest generation. Pretty much impossible. The idea of the jedi falling into myth 30 years after return of the jedi is believable. They were pretty much a myth in Episode IV.
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30 years doesn't sound like much until you try to think about different life was 30 years ago. I was born in the mid 80's (30 years ago) and there was no internet, no cell phones, etc. Try explaining to someone what it was like living without the internet to the newest generation. Pretty much impossible. The idea of the jedi falling into myth 30 years after return of the jedi is believable. They were pretty much a myth in Episode IV.
In 1985 I was about 7 years old. :P
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If so, how is Han still alive?
have you seen Han? He's on his way out......... :lol
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If so, how is Han still alive?
have you seen Han? He's on his way out......... :lol
Ford is like 70 - odd.
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If so, how is Han still alive?
have you seen Han? He's on his way out......... :lol
Ford is like 70 - odd.
He's looking rough....just saying. He could be in great shape, who knows. But the dude looks 'weathered'.
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It's funny that he's got this rep of being a grumpy old man but if you google him - almost every pic has him with a big grin on :biggrin:
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Welp, it's broken pre-sale records. No surprise there.
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I really liked the trailer, definitely did not show enough to spoil much but showed enough to tease and to excite.
I hope Kylo Ren is the Big Bad of the next few movies rather than being a one-off villain like Darth Maul.
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Someone combined all of the trailers into one. Very awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUswgEuRgVY
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Someone combined all of the trailers into one. Very awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUswgEuRgVY
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I gotta say....Star Wars has done a great job of landing gorgeous leading ladies
Exhibit A:
(https://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33500000/Leia-carrie-fisher-33553182-245-260.png)
Exhibit B:
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/natalie-portman-36.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
Exhibit C:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3ahrDUeJSRM/U2AQuvzy3gI/AAAAAAAAFlc/PWdPs7Llw_8/s1600/Daisy_Ridley.jpg)
And I want to marry Daisy Ridley.
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They almost look like sisters and somewhat related to Carrie Fisher. I'm assuming that was on purpose.
And yes, those two are gorgeous.
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(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/greedo_zps3sxne7yp.jpg)
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The very fact that Lucas went to all that trouble - then wore a t shirt saying " Han Shot First " just shows how little he gives a shit about the fans.
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Also it's interesting that Greedy shouldn't have even shother at all. It was such a bad ass scene.
"I bet you have!"
BOOM. Dead. Git rekt.
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I don't really understand all of the hate for George Lucas. It was his story and as far as I'm concerned he had every right to do whatever he wanted. You as a fan get the choice to either like them or not. He doesn't anyone anything. In fact people should be grateful for George Lucas and the incredible universe he created.
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I'm thankful for what George Lucas did when creating Star Wars, but after the prequels and his constant battle against the fans (basically giving them the finger with all the new versions of the old films and doing everything he can to prevent the original cuts from being released again), it's really hard to get behind him. If he hadn't made the prequels so terrible and if he had cared more about the fans and actually given us the original cuts again, I think a lot of people would be nicer to him. But as it has turned out, I think most people are just really torn on him.
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There are only two things Lucas decisions/changes that I don't like. The obvious is the prevalence of Jar Jar in Episode 1. If he would have not been such a focal point in that movie I could I have endured his annoying character. Plus, I think the fact that he was toned down in Episode II shows that he did hear some of the feedback. Jar Jar actually has pivotal role to play in getting the Emperor in power which is something a lot of people seem to over look when discussing his character. The second and really only change I didn't like was the extended musical sequence at Jaba's palace in Return of the Jedi. I loved it when I was a kid but it just seems like utter cheese now. I found most of the changes to actually enhance the films. And I actually like the recently added "Nooooooooooooooo" Vader scream when he tosses the Emperor.
I think the release of the unaltered original trilogy would be seen as nothing more of a cash grab to most fans. I wonder though if they may ever come out now that Disney owns rights.
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I think the release of the unaltered original trilogy would be seen as nothing more of a cash grab to most fans. I wonder though if they may ever come out now that Disney owns rights.
I don't think it would be seen as a cash grab at all.
But Disney doesn't own ALL the rights. The distribution rights to Episodes 1-3 and 5-6 belong to 20th Century Fox until 2020, when they revert to Lucasfilm (Disney).
Fox owns the distribution rights to Episode 4 forever.
So, any release that Disney wants to make of the unaltered trilogy would involve a deal with Fox. Which is not to say that such a thing won't happen - it is just a complication.
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I think the release of the unaltered original trilogy would be seen as nothing more of a cash grab to most fans. I wonder though if they may ever come out now that Disney owns rights.
I don't think it would be seen as a cash grab at all.
I think it would be seen as actually giving fans what they've wanted for the past 15 years.
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I know that I would pay quite a bit for a Blu-ray transfer of the original theatrical releases.
As it is, my family and I will be rewatching the Special Editions of Episodes 4, 5, & 6 leading up to the release of The Force Awakens.
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I know that I would pay quite a bit for a Blu-ray transfer of the original theatrical releases.
As it is, my family and I will be rewatching the Special Editions of Episodes 4, 5, & 6 leading up to the release of The Force Awakens.
Yup totally agree. That's what I'm waiting for. All the other releases were the cash grabs. Hell, Disney been known to pull back movies for the same cash grab. It's smart. Us dummies keep buying all these different versions of the movies.
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Star Wars Original Theatrical Versions Blu Rays.
The First Time a Special Edition has had stuff taken away rather than added :P
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If that totally un-altered blu-ray ever does come out,
they can have all my money. Just take it all :metal
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I know I'm way late to the game as far as 'everything' Star Wars...but been reading a lot about how Luke 'could' be 'bad'.....and this article was really neat. I kind of like it and can totally see it!!
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-conery/luke-skywalker-theory-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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I think it's obvious that Luke is in hiding just like Obi-wan was. It's just that simple.
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I saw that this morning, and thought it was interesting. It also works nicely with the Machete Order (https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/). Even builds upon it, in a way.
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POSSIBLE SPOILER: I'm already 99% positive Kylo Ren is not Luke Skywalker (with Adam Driver as the decoy) because the toys show Kylo as tall, and Luke is not tall.
Yes. Adam Driver is like 6 ft 4 and Mark Hamill is 5 ft 7 . It would be stupid to hire Adam Driver to play Luke JUST BECAUSE HE IS TALL SO NOBODY GUESSES.
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https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/greedo_zps3sxne7yp.jpg
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(https://imgur.com/SjEqHBA.jpg)
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There is NO way Luke is bad. Not quite sure how that rumor got so much traction.
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Yeah I don't think he is either. Aside from putting Jar-Jar in the new trilogy as a main character, I think turning Luke to the dark side and have him be one of the enemies is one of the things that would piss off the fans the most.
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I'm guessing Luke will be the new Yoda. I've heard he's already filmed scenes for Episode 8 and I'm guessing he will be training Rey.
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Plus there's that (leaked ?) publicity still of Mark Hamill in very Obi-Wan style robes.
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“I can tell you this. It’s really, really good,” said Ford. “Trust me, it’s really good. The new cast… Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver, and Oscar Isaac are phenomenal. J.J. has made an incredible movie. You will not be disappointed at all. I promise you.”
https://youtu.be/6kDhd1JVimc
It just feels very good hearing that praise from Ford.
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“I can tell you this. It’s really, really good,” said Ford. “Trust me, it’s really good. The new cast… Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver, and Oscar Isaac are phenomenal. J.J. has made an incredible movie. You will not be disappointed at all. I promise you.”
https://youtu.be/6kDhd1JVimc
It just feels very good hearing that praise from Ford.
Some people will be disappointed though. They'll have a fanboy checklist going in of things they want and if 99% of those "needs" are met - SHITTEST MOVIE EVER OLOLOL
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I think the problem is that some people are gonna expect the movie to top Empire Strikes Back when in reality, no matter how good it is, it won't trump the nostalgia card. I don't expect TFA to be better than any of the original films, but I love those so dearly that it doesn't have to beat them. I just hope for a great film.
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I saw all of the original films in the theaters. I grew up with Star Wars. It is amazing.
I do not expect any new films to "top" Empire.
What I DO expect is that the care, respect, and devotion to detail and narrative, incorporating the mythology of archetypes within the movie, is done with as much sincerity as the OT. That was not the case with the prequels.
If the filmmakers are that committed, and that shows on the screen, I will be satisfied.
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Yeah it just has to be better than the prequels. It's already a winner !
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Yeah it just has to be better than the prequels. It's already a winner !
The bar is so low for me, it's a guarantee that I won't be disappointed. That's what I'm most excited about.
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Yeah it just has to be better than the prequels. It's already a winner !
The bar is so low for me, it's a guarantee that I won't be disappointed. That's what I'm most excited about.
In a way, yeah.
One thing that is a complete turn on for me (coming from growing up with the OT) is to catch up with the characters I loved from those films.
No matter how good the prequels could have been, they wouldn't have given me what I wanted, which was what happened next to my beloved characters. Some of the characters were present, sure, but not much suspense, because I already knew what happened later.
This will be completely new territory, with Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewbacca.
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Yeah it just has to be better than the prequels. It's already a winner !
The bar is so low for me, it's a guarantee that I won't be disappointed. That's what I'm most excited about.
In a way, yeah.
One thing that is a complete turn on for me (coming from growing up with the OT) is to catch up with the characters I loved from those films.
No matter how good the prequels could have been, they wouldn't have given me what I wanted, which was what happened next to my beloved characters. Some of the characters were present, sure, but not much suspense, because I already knew what happened later.
This will be completely new territory, with Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewbacca.
I think this is a big reason why the hype is so massive now and even bigger than it was for Phantom Menace. As much as people were excited about a new Star Wars movie then, now we have gone through 3 disappointing movies and we're finally getting to see what happened to our favorite characters. It's like Christmas!
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Will it be better than the original trilogy? Well, nothing's impossible, but realistically No. Nostalgia factor.
Will it be better than the prequel trilogy? Again, nothing's impossible, but here it's almost certainly Yes.
That would seem to make it an almost guaranteed win. But we're still talking about an established universe that everyone knows and no one will tolerate them fucking up. And established characters. With so many eyes on this and so many checks and balances in place, I don't think that will happen, either. Just give me a good movie, one that shows respect for the established universe and characters, and the next chapter of the story, and because it's Star Wars, I'll probably like it.
Also, and this might sound stupid, but I trust Harrison Ford's judgement. He didn't have to do this movie, and I'm sure he would not have if he read the script and he didn't like what they'd done with Han Solo. After all the joking around, he seemed sincere when he said this was a great movie and we won't be disappointed. That sounds good enough for me.
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Me too.
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So to get ready for Episode VII I'm watching one movie per week and will post a mini-review of each.
Started with Episode I on Friday and this movie has not aged well with me at all. I'm a defender of the prequels but this is easily the worst of the 6 films. I have no problem with the political story as it's pivotal to explain how Palapatine takes power but the first hour up until the pod race is BORING. And Jar Jar really is such a terrible character. I get what Lucas was going for with the funny character for little kids, I'm sure my 3 year old would love him, but the fact that he is really the focal point of the first hour really hurts the movie. I could have lived with him if he was a back ground character and not shoved down our throats. Also, Jake Lloyd is was a terrible kid actor. Most of them are but he is really bad. The climax of the film is good with the Jedi/Darth Maul fight but the gungan battle and lack of space fighting makes the movie end on a meh note. If this was the first Star Wars film there would not have been a second, that being said it is a Star Wars film and it really lays the foundation of the story. Weak acting, weak script, and weak directing really hurt the film. 2/5 stars.
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As terrible as The Phantom Menace is, I'd put Attack of the Clones lower. That one felt almost insulting sitting through.
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I agree. At least TPM had had some exciting scenes among its nonsense. AOTC was just a miserably boring experience.
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I disagree. While they're both awful, AOTC was entertainingly awful, at least enjoyable for all the wrong reasons. I find TPM to be literally unwatchable. It's a truly painful experience with no entertainment value to be had.
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I wonder how much it matters, the situation you experienced the prequels in. For example, I didn't see them in cinemas and being young, I wasn't born early enough to have experienced the old trilogy when it came out. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I didn't go into The Phantom Menace with 20 years of hopes and dreams and expectations for another awesome Star Wars movie, so my disappointment was more on the mild side. IMO I found teenage Anakin hitting on Padme and their forced love story much more frustrating to sit through than young Anakin doing goofy things. TPM also has a decent lightsaber battle at the end, whereas the fight between Anakin/Obi-Wan and Count Dooku is mostly nauseating.
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No idea. I've only ever "liked" Star Wars, and didn't bother watching any of the prequels until someone lent then to me on DVD long after the fact. I didn't have any expectations or care going into any of them, but TPM is just a godawful movie no matter how you slice it. AOTC isn't much better. Nor is ROTS imo.
I genuinely believe the only way anyone can really like TPM is those who watched it as little kids and have some kind of unfortunate nostalgia for it.
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The few people I know who like the prequels are either people who grew up with them, or people who saw them first. OR people who don't care about screen writing, character depth, character motivation, plot etc and just enjoy CGI. (No offense if you like the prequels, this is just the experience I've had with the people I know)
As for TPM/AotC it really is a toss up. I don't think Revenge of the Sith is GREAT, but it's definitely better than the previous two, and it actually has a few redeemable parts. I'd say seeing Anakin turn to the dark side was quite enjoyable even if it felt a bit forced, and seeing him murder innocent children was satisfying in a weird way. The end lightsaber fight is probably the worst in the whole series and the movie goes overboard on the CGI, but it does a few things right to tie into the original trilogy. If TPM and AotC are around the 2/10 or 3/10 mark for me, I'd rate RotS as maybe a 5/10 or 6/10. It's still not a great movie by any stretch, but it has some decent parts.
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While I do think TPM is pretty terrible, I still think your first paragraph there was horribly elitist Jimmy. :lol
I like Attack of the Clones though. Still ranked 5th out of 6 for me, but waaaaaay ahead of Episode I and not all that far off episodes III, IV and VI, all of which I think are very good. For me, Empire Strikes Back is the only great film among them, but I do like it a lot as a series.
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and seeing him murder innocent children was satisfying in a weird way
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Hey now I don't judge. :P Personally I care about all the pieces of the puzzle, but I have friends who might only care about the visuals for example, and they don't pay attention to certain other things that I might notice. As long as you enjoy the movie it's nice I guess.
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[Theory] Jar Jar Binks was a trained Force user, knowing Sith collaborator, and will play a central role in The Force Awakens (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/)
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Some people have WAY too much time on their hands.
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What in the fuck? That is awesome. :lol Read some of it whilst waiting for a download, and the crazy conspiracies aside, the comparisons to actual martial arts and the mind tricks 'hand waving' is neat. That's pretty creative right there. I like it! :corn
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I like Attack of the Clones though. Still ranked 5th out of 6 for me, but waaaaaay ahead of Episode I and not all that far off episodes III, IV and VI, all of which I think are very good. For me, Empire Strikes Back is the only great film among them, but I do like it a lot as a series.
I would say this about myself too, but edit it to say Ep5 is the only masterful film,, Ep4 being a great one. I enjoyed Ep2 in the theater, and I can enjoy it again as well. Ep1 feels like a backstory that could have been presented in the opening crawl of Ep2, and an uninteresting backstory at that.
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I can sit all the way through Ep I and III.
Can't make it through II
Love Ep V beyond words, always found IV a little dry (but I still highly respect it) and VI is decent.
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I wonder how much it matters, the situation you experienced the prequels in. For example, I didn't see them in cinemas and being young, I wasn't born early enough to have experienced the old trilogy when it came out. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I didn't go into The Phantom Menace with 20 years of hopes and dreams and expectations for another awesome Star Wars movie, so my disappointment was more on the mild side. IMO I found teenage Anakin hitting on Padme and their forced love story much more frustrating to sit through than young Anakin doing goofy things. TPM also has a decent lightsaber battle at the end, whereas the fight between Anakin/Obi-Wan and Count Dooku is mostly nauseating.
Absolutely this. There is nothing in Episode 1 that you can point out and say it was worse than the atrocious love story from Episode 2. One other thing it has against it is that there is literally nothing memorable about the movie. At least Episode 1 had stuff like the pod-racing scene that makes it kind of unique. Episode 2 was just one boring unmemorable scene after another. It's not just a bad SW movie, it's a bad movie.
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Interesting on the all of the dislike for Episode II. I can understand why the love story gets some flack, but at the same time it is Anakin's relationship with Padme that solidifies his path to the dark side. Could have been better, yes. George Lucas is just not a great director which is why the best Star Wars film is the one he didn't direct. I'll be watching AotC on Saturday and will post an updated opinion.
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George Lucas is just not a great director which is why the best Star Wars film is the one he didn't direct.
His not being a great screenwriter is more of the issue here. David Lean couldn't have done much with that script in terms of dialogue. The fact that he has admitted it freely makes it a shame he didn't bring in William Huyck and Gloria Katz, Kasdan, or someone more capable to strengthen the dialogue
...it is Anakin's relationship with Padme that solidifies his path to the dark side.
And the reason that relationship seems so silly and viewers can't buy in to it that makes his turn so weak.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oifhpT0HZ7Q
Rich Evans & Mike Stoklasa talk about The Force Awakens.
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Came here to actually talk about that. Many of their predictions seem extremely likely, so I'm excited to see what the actual movie is about. Also, I agree with Rich in that they'd never resort to having an evil Luke. That just doesn't make sense nor would it be popular with the fanbase.
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Also I wouldn't be surprised if they did in fact copy the structure from A New Hope.
Speaking of " it's like poetry " - what was the " I Am Your Father " moment from Attack Of The Clones ?
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I grew up with, like and respect the original trilogy...... but I love the prequels about a million times more. I think they've got the OT beat in every category except for the prequels having no answer to Han Solo's wit/charisma. To me, the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is way more interesting than the story that the OT told.
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The acting is flat and wooden and emotionless.
The visuals are awful and over the top.
The plot is incomprehensible.
The directing is boring and extremely basic. Almost like a tv soap opera.
Meh. You're entitled to your opinion but the PT are just bad. Bad movies full stop.
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I think one of the biggest problems with the prequels is the failure with Anakin. They really screwed up a potentially good story.
Ever since A New Hope we heard about how Anakin was a good friend of Obi-Wan and a great Jedi. But the Anakin of the prequels was written like a bad apple from the start. When did he really show any of the qualities we heard about in the OT? He came off as whiny, hot headed, immature, and had almost zero character development. It's fascinating how they screwed up so bad in the first two that they had to remind us in the third movie that "this guy is good, this guy is a good pilot" and shove in good moments when all we had before were 2 movies of the opposite.
From what I've heard they did a better job of portraying him in Clone Wars, but that's an animated show that stands on its own. It has nothing to do with the failures of the prequels.
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It's fascinating how they screwed up so bad in the first two that they had to remind us in the third movie that "this guy is good, this guy is a good pilot" and shove in good moments when all we had before were 2 movies of the opposite.
I like the quote from the Plinkett review of Sith where he says " it's too late to disregard an entire backstory " when Anakin randomly goes to help out a clone trooper.
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It's fascinating how they screwed up so bad in the first two that they had to remind us in the third movie that "this guy is good, this guy is a good pilot" and shove in good moments when all we had before were 2 movies of the opposite.
I like the quote from the Plinkett review of Sith where he says " it's too late to disregard an entire backstory " when Anakin randomly goes to help out a clone trooper.
Definitely. He doesn't seem to show any concern for others in AotC and then all of a sudden he wants to save ONE clone trooper.
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I grew up with, like and respect the original trilogy...... but I love the prequels about a million times more. I think they've got the OT beat in every category except for the prequels having no answer to Han Solo's wit/charisma. To me, the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is way more interesting than the story that the OT told.
Hey, man, it takes all kinds.
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The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is a good story. The story itself was not the problem; it was the execution, the telling of the story, which sucked. The dialogue, the pacing, the details.
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The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is a good story. The story itself was not the problem; it was the execution, the telling of the story, which sucked. The dialogue, the pacing, the details.
And that the entire PT could have been summed up in 1 film. Phantom Menace & Attack Of The Clones are largely just filler.
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I think one of the biggest problems with the prequels is the failure with Anakin. They really screwed up a potentially good story.
Ever since A New Hope we heard about how Anakin was a good friend of Obi-Wan and a great Jedi. But the Anakin of the prequels was written like a bad apple from the start. When did he really show any of the qualities we heard about in the OT? He came off as whiny, hot headed, immature, and had almost zero character development. It's fascinating how they screwed up so bad in the first two that they had to remind us in the third movie that "this guy is good, this guy is a good pilot" and shove in good moments when all we had before were 2 movies of the opposite.
From what I've heard they did a better job of portraying him in Clone Wars, but that's an animated show that stands on its own. It has nothing to do with the failures of the prequels.
While I agree that he was a bit too whiny and hot-headed, I don't think it's fair to say that he was just a bad apple. There were definite flaws in those 2 films, not least of which is the actors playing Anakin, but I think it's pretty clear that his heart was in the right place and that his actions were born of good intentions.
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I think the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan was better than the movies portrayed though it became more apparent in Episode III. The Clone Wars cartoon does a really good job portraying their relationship.
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While I agree that he was a bit too whiny and hot-headed, I don't think it's fair to say that he was just a bad apple. There were definite flaws in those 2 films, not least of which is the actors playing Anakin, but I think it's pretty clear that his heart was in the right place and that his actions were born of good intentions.
Is he really though? Let's put Phantom Menace aside because he was a kid in it and you can't really judge a person by how they act like a kid. But in AotC it felt like the good actions he did, he did only because he wanted to get freaky with Padme. Like going out of his way to protect her and chasing the bounty hunter, because he had a crush on her. Apart from that it was mostly whining and complaining about Obi-Wan being annoying, and then at the end he just murders people on Tatooine. In the third movie it felt like he was lost to the dark side before his real transformation really began.
Don't get me wrong, from what I've seen of Clone Wars, they nail that friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin and make Anakin more of a noble Jedi. But it's a shame that pretty much all his training and bonding with Obi-Wan was skipped over in the prequels. That's the really interesting things after all.
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But teenagers guys, teenagers.
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I'll just drop this here. :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ
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Holy crap! That trailer had tons of new footage!
Also, very cool of JJ to show the fan about die an early cut of the film.
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I'm looking forward to all the ariel shots the most. Dogfights etc.
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I think I liked that trailer more than the official one. Didn't feel as cheesy.
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It's probably Han.
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I really liked that one, almost all new footage. That's friggin' awesome. SO POWAH! SO ENERGY!
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I really liked that one, almost all new footage. That's friggin' awesome. SO POWAH! SO ENERGY!
I love that one shot of the camera on the side of the X-wing a la Interstellar.
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I really liked that one, almost all new footage. That's friggin' awesome. SO POWAH! SO ENERGY!
I love that one shot of the camera on the side of the X-wing a la Interstellar.
Yes, that was awesome. All of the aerial combat scenes look amazing.
Also, I hope it's not Finn who dies because then everyone would complain about how they killed the only major black character in the film ala The Walking Dead. That being said, it appears to be snowing or ashing in the background which looks like where Finn and Kylo go saber to saber. If I had to bet I think it will be Han or Chewie. Also, my bet is that Kylo and Rey are twins and the children of Han and Leah. It's interesting that their characters have been marketed with no last name.
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Kylo Solo :lol
Actually it's Kylo Ren..
Fin & Rey Skywalker ? :O
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Kylo Solo :lol
Actually it's Kylo Ren..
Fin & Rey Skywalker ? :O
Ren is not is real last name. He is part of the knigts of ren which is where that name comes from.
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Yes i Guessed that since Darth vader's real name was Anagram Skywalker :biggrin:
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I'm going with Chewie.
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You blasphemous UTINNI!!!!
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Not my work - found it online :
(https://i.imgur.com/gx2xwVI.jpg)
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RA Salvatore already killed Chewie in one of the books, which pissed off a lot of people who considered the expanded universe canon. Not to say that they couldn't do it here, but they probably won't.
Harrison Ford made no bones about wanting to be killed off during ROTJ, so maybe they're granting him his wish.
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New TV spot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lp69VrkgI
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Subbing to this thread!
Heard someone who was trying to avoid spoilers say that there was even a spoiler on one of the toys in Target. I walked the aisles today at Target looking, but I couldn't find it. Then again, I'm no expert, so I might not have known it even if I saw it.
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Anybody here watch Star Wars: Rebels -- the new cartoon on Disney? Caught the first couple episodes of Season 2 last night, after also watching the end of season 1 a few months back.
It's pretty good, and for anyone who watched Clone Wars, there's some nice continuity with that story as well (in addition to the aftermath of RoTS).
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https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a773508/star-wars-fan-daniel-fleetwood-dies-aged-32/
Star Wars superfan Daniel Fleetwood has died, aged 32.
The terminally ill fan was given the chance to watch an early screening of Star Wars: The Force Awakens shortly before he passed away, The Wrap reports.
The likes of Mark Hamill and John Boyega backed an online campaign to support Daniel's final wish, with Hamill later tweeting to say he was "elated" after the screening took place.
(https://media.comicbook.com/2015/11/force-for-daniel-158645.jpg)
Good on Disney for allowing this to happen.
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I seem to remember a similar thing happening either for Star Trek ( 2009 ) or Into Darkness.
I know Majel saw ST2009 before she passed.
But I seem to remember a similar story of some kid wanting to see Star Trek or Into Darkness before they passed away.
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Here it is :
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/terminally-ill-star-trek-fan-408899
Spookily both called Daniel .
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I haven't had time to post for the last week but I have watched Episodes II & III since my last post.
Episode II
This movie hasn't aged as well as I remember. There are some really cool scenes (final droid/clone battle, the chase sequence in the beginning, and the asteroid flight sequence.) I found the movie to be too long and honestly just boring. I still like it a little more that Episode II, but Lucas shows again how poor of a director and writer he is. Not only is script poor but it's clear that he didn't know how to get good performances out of his actors. 3/5
Episode III
As mediocre as I & II are Episode III makes up for it. I LOVE this movie! This is the Star Wars prequel that I was waiting for. The opening flight sequence is amazing and I knew from the first minute that this was going to be awesome. Seeing the Emperor take over finally and the creation of Vador was well worth the wait. There are a couple of cheesy lines between Padme and Anakin but those can be forgiven based on how great the rest of the film is. This is easily my favorite of the prequels and may end up as my second favorite over all behind Empire. 5/5
Prequels review: I've been a pretty staunch supporter of the Prequels. I admit there flaws (especially in I & II) but I still enjoy them and don't think they're poor enough to write off. I LOVE Star Wars. The characters, the story, etc. are just so much fun. Also, John Williams wrote some amazing new themes for the prequels and I'm glad he is signed on for at least Episode VII.
I'll be watching Episode IV this weekend.
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Episode II
I still like it a little more that Episode II,
I totally agree.
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You might as well be saying that you like being punched in the gut more than you like being kicked in the balls, though.
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You'd rate being punched in the gut 3/5?
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Episode II
I still like it a little more that Episode II,
I totally agree.
Lol, nice catch. :D
Also, less than a month till Episode VII!
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You'd rate being punched in the gut 3/5?
Truth be told I didn't even read all of the post kaos made I only skimmed it...I just saw Blob's quote, knew that he meant to post that he liked II more than I, and responded to that. :\
Though regarding Episode I, I think a punch in the gut might rate 3/5 comparatively.
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Though regarding Episode I, I think a punch in the gut might rate 3/5 comparatively.
Given the choice, I'm definitely opting for the punch in the gut too.
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Is anyone else getting tired of all the prequel apologist and nonsense Jar Jar articles going around? I swear I've seen a new one every day, and they're all awful.
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no budget, shot for shot remake of the extended trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
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4 weeks
God, I can't wait
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no budget, shot for shot remake of the extended trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
:lol
Also, the girl was really cute. (Come on, you knew I was gonna say that)
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I guess I am the Disney Parks cast member around these forums, so i'll give some Star Wars updates.
As you all probably already know, Disney World and Disneyland are preparing to start building their 14 acre Star Wars Lands in each resort. In the mean time, to help the anticipation pass by, both parks are doing some fun attractions.
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In Disneyland earlier this week, we just launch our Season of the Force event, where most of Tomorrowland becomes Star Wars themed. There is a big exhibit called Star Wars Launchbay. It's an interactive experience where fans can see props and costumes from The Force Awakens, buy exclusive merchandise, and meet characters like Darth Vader, Chewie, and Boba Fett. I'll share some pics with ya'll
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Check out this floor!
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You can buy these Vader outfits only for $4,000 a pop!
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And here's me with the big guy. We compared each other's heights to see who's taller. I let him win that challenge.
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So Star Tours added a new sequence in relation to The Force Awakens. Normally the ride sequence is randomized, taking you through different places in the Star Wars universe like Kashyyk and Coruscant. However, throughout the Season of the Force event, guests are guaranteed a visit to Jakku on a chase with Tie Fighters. It's a pretty cool sequence flying through the spaceship junkyard! I had a blast.
There is a film being shown called Star Wars: Path of the Jedi, which is a 15 minute retrospective of the saga. It beautifully interweaves episodes 1-6, then ends with The Force Awakens footage that is basically a mashup of the previous trailers.
The biggest draw comes from one of our most popular attractions. Space Mountain has now turned into Hyperspace Mountain. The ride is still the same but now you have John Williams Score, laser blasts, and projected tie fighters shooting at you.
At Walt Disney World, they will be doing their celebrations at Disney's Hollywood Studios, where that Star Wars Land will be built. They will have Launchbay that will have the same features as the one in Disneyland EXCEPT there will be a bar based on the Cantina in A New Hope that will serve Star Wars themed drinks. Disneyland park is dry, so no alcohol is served in that park. The Jakku scene at Star Tours and Path of the Jedi film will also be there.
However, there will also be a Star Wars theme fireworks show called "Symphony in the Stars: A Galactic Spectacular" which will set to John Williams scores from the saga.
Because of the construction early next year, Disney World announced they are discontinuing their yearly event, Star Wars Weekends, which was an absolute huge hit of an event.
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Whoa! Thanks for all of that. We have an inside source. Heh heh.
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Thanks so much for sharing. Either that Chewie dude is not to scale or you are one tall mofo.
I'm 6'7 so i guess that constitutes me as a tall mofo :lol
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no budget, shot for shot remake of the extended trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
Is it just me, or did the one guy mimicking Kylo sound like the guy that did the voice overs for the JP psycho exercizes?
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no budget, shot for shot remake of the extended trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
These guys are brilliantly creative. Hadn't seen their version of the original teaser before but that's great too!
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The Force Awakens is officially rated PG-13. A little more than 3 weeks to go!
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Episode 8 rumoured to be called " A New Dawn ".
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Star Wars, yesssss... :yarr
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I can't believe, that we are only weeks away from seeing the new Star Wars. I just pre ordered my tickets for 17. of December, can't wait!
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Just drove up to the theater and picked up (2) 3D tix for December 17th at 10:15pm :metal
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I just finished going through the original trilogy and Episode III.
My opinion on IV and V is pretty much the same as it was before my marathon. Both are great movies for different reasons, but great either way.
VI wasn't as good as I remembered, but had some great parts and was a good time in general.
III is an odd one. I'm not usually one to get hung up on a movie's "flaws", but ROTS has a lot of little things I don't like. It also has a lot of amazing stuff going on and the end leaves me wanting more every time. I'd probably rank it ahead of VI, to be honest, if only by a hair.
I'm so pumped for The Force Awakens. I've got two IMAX tickets booked and paid for. I'll be there to see it on the 19th. :metal
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I'll see it but i've no interest in seeing it in 3D.
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Kylo Ren seems really mean, why does he admire Vader so much??
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Just watched TPM with jingle.son. God what an awful movie. Only redeeming quality is the last 40 minutes, and the three battles. The audio effects in the pod race sequence were pretty good to. Otherwise, absolutely terrible.
Still a better love story than AotC.
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Kylo Ren seems really mean, why does he admire Vader so much??
I don't know, I've only seen the trailers....
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Just watched TPM with jingle.son. God what an awful movie. Only redeeming quality is the last 40 minutes, and the three battles. The audio effects in the pod race sequence were pretty good to. Otherwise, absolutely terrible.
Still a better love story than AotC.
Because of that love story from AOTC (and atrocious acting), I enjoy TPM more than AOTC.
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Also, at least things happen in TPM. I just feel like AOTC is full of nothing after nothing scene.
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I looove The Phantom Menace, I love watching it with Maria!
My dad likes to play Van Halen when we watch it, so when my favourite character Jar Jar Binks is introduced, he presses play on our cassette player on Eruption! :metal and Jar Jar Binks says all his classic lines :laugh:
I hope he returns for The Force Awakens!!!! :D
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Might want to tone it back a bit. People might find you out.
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When would be the best time to see The Force Awakens in the cinema? Because I don't want to be crammed in a room of loud hippies going poo poo for Star Wars :yeahright
(read that in the Ziltoid voice)
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When would be the best time to see The Force Awakens in the cinema? Because I don't want to be crammed in a room of loud hippies going poo poo for Star Wars :yeahright
I'd say as soon as possible to avoid spoilers, since they will be everywhere.
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I have been watching the original trilogy since I found the VHS tapes at a yard sale as a kid. I have not yet seen the prequel trilogy. I guess I might as well since the new one is coming out.
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I have been watching the original trilogy since I found the VHS tapes at a yard sale as a kid. I have not yet seen the prequel trilogy. I guess I might as well since the new one is coming out.
No, don't.
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I have been watching the original trilogy since I found the VHS tapes at a yard sale as a kid. I have not yet seen the prequel trilogy. I guess I might as well since the new one is coming out.
No, don't.
Yeah don't. They have almost zero redeeming features.
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Revenge of the Sith is extremely watchable. It has some cringeworthy moments/acting/dialogue (I'm looking at you, Hayden) but its highs are great. I, for one, love the intensity of the Obi-Wan/Anakin and Palpatine/Yoda battle moment and the dark tone throughout the film.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqTilCyRyvc
YOU BROUGHT HIM HERE TO KILL ME
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Those scenes look like Video Game cut scenes.
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from the few clips i've seen a lot of the acting seems to be like that. I saw a clip of samuel L jackson who is basically known for memorable performaces where he just sounds flat and bored. That sounds like bad direction to me. Maybe with a better director and script Hayden would have been fine.
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from the few clips i've seen a lot of the acting seems to be like that. I saw a clip of samuel L jackson who is basically known for memorable performaces where he just sounds flat and bored. That sounds like bad direction to me. Maybe with a better director and script Hayden would have been fine.
Yeah, I even mentioned to jingle.son how terrible Jackson was in TPM. Some of those clips of Hayden weren't terrible, but most of them were. I guess it's somewhat hard to put on a great performance when the dialog is absolute tripe.
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Thing is, it's only the ocassional line that is really bad - most of the dialogue is merely adequate and not great. With great acting, or great directing, the prequels might have been substantially better. It was the combination of the three that combine to make them quite weak. Though as I've said before, I like Episode III basically as much as IV and VI.
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from the few clips i've seen a lot of the acting seems to be like that. I saw a clip of samuel L jackson who is basically known for memorable performaces where he just sounds flat and bored. That sounds like bad direction to me. Maybe with a better director and script Hayden would have been fine.
Yeah, I even mentioned to jingle.son how terrible Jackson was in TPM. Some of those clips of Hayden weren't terrible, but most of them were. I guess it's somewhat hard to put on a great performance when the dialog is absolute tripe.
That and the fact that so much of the sets and even characters were CGI. A very good, very experienced actor with good guidance from a director can probably deliver under those circumstances. An inexperienced actor like Hayden with probably very little useful guidance from Lucas would be fighting a losing battle trying to really bring even solid dialog to life.
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Thing is, it's only the ocassional line that is really bad - most of the dialogue is merely adequate and not great. With great acting, or great directing, the prequels might have been substantially better. It was the combination of the three that combine to make them quite weak. Though as I've said before, I like Episode III basically as much as IV and VI.
:iagree:
... for the most part.
Christiansen's acting was the worst part about III. Everything else about ep III surpassed I and II by such a large margin, I think we're fooled into thinking it's as good as the OT movies. It'll be interesting to compare when jingle.son and I watch the remainder of them.
That and the fact that so much of the sets and even characters were CGI. A very good, very experienced actor with good guidance from a director can probably deliver under those circumstances. An inexperienced actor like Hayden with probably very little useful guidance from Lucas would be fighting a losing battle trying to really bring even solid dialog to life.
Fair... but then what is Jackson's excuse for his atrocious performances?
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Christiansen's acting was the worst part about III. Everything else about ep III surpassed I and II by such a large margin, I think we're fooled into thinking it's as good as the OT movies. It'll be interesting to compare when jingle.son and I watch the remainder of them.
That and the fact that so much of the sets and even characters were CGI. A very good, very experienced actor with good guidance from a director can probably deliver under those circumstances. An inexperienced actor like Hayden with probably very little useful guidance from Lucas would be fighting a losing battle trying to really bring even solid dialog to life.
Fair... but then what is Jackson's excuse for his atrocious performances?
I think we already said it. You said poorly-written dialog. I agree, but just add the other factors as well. Yes, Jackson has a ton of experience. But still would have been hamstrung by (in addition to poorly-written dialog) the lack of practical sets and lack of good direction from Lucas. But in his case specifically, I will add one more factor as well, although this is likely going to be VERY controversial: Although Jackson is a very experienced actor, I actually would not consider him a very good actor. There was a time when I considered him to be stellar. His performances in movies like 187, Die Hard II, and the one with Tommy Lee Jones that I can't remember the name of were fantastic. But through the years, for every great role he has had, I have seen plenty of others where I thought his acting was just so-so or worse. To me, he is VERY inconsistent and isn't one of those guys that can just step onscreen and deliver no matter what.
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Maybe... but if he can deliver a line like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amYzBQMT4VI
surely he could've done better in SW?
And I don't remember him in Die Hard II. Was he one of the token black terrorists that got killed? :biggrin:
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Wait, was II the airport one? If so, then I meant III. The one in NYC where the lead baddie turned out to be the brother of the lead baddie from the first one, and they were planting fake bombs all over the city to lead MacLane and his unwilling partner on a wild goose chase around NYC while they stole the U.S. gold reserves.
And also: Snakes. On a plane. Boom.
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That's the 3rd movie sir. His name was Zeus.
Mother #%£^÷÷!
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Wait, was II the airport one? If so, then I meant III. The one in NYC where the lead baddie turned out to be the brother of the lead baddie from the first one, and they were planting fake bombs all over the city to lead MacLane and his unwilling partner on a wild goose chase around NYC while they stole the U.S. gold reserves.
I know.
Sarcasm: One of us sucks at it.
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Star Wars related, in a twisted way.
(https://assets.amuniversal.com/d19fb6606f9501331d5d005056a9545d.jpg)
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Star Wars Album Covers (https://imgur.com/gallery/pYGoB)
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Those are awesome!
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Those are awesome!
I lost it at "For Those About to Roll" :rollin
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I just watched The Phantom Menace for the first time. Honestly it wasn't that bad......except for Jar Jar, He deserves to be thrown in a sarlacc pit. I always thought people were overreacting about how annoying he was but wow I was wrong. He somehow manages to bog down EVERY scene he appears in. I'm actually almost impressed by how annoying Lucas made him.
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I don't know if I'm just getting paranoid a bit because of the 'lack' of Luke in the trailers....but I have a funny feeling his screen time is severely limited.....like it's a minute or two at the 'end' of the movie that will set up the next one. If the movie is 'good' I really don't care all that much.....
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Really, I think the movie would be better off with all the old actors' screen time limited.
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I don't know if I'm just getting paranoid a bit because of the 'lack' of Luke in the trailers....but I have a funny feeling his screen time is severely limited.....like it's a minute or two at the 'end' of the movie that will set up the next one. If the movie is 'good' I really don't care all that much.....
That has been my speculation for awhile now. Maybe some voiceover parts earlier in the film, but no actual appearance until the end, and that being very short.
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I don't know if I'm just getting paranoid a bit because of the 'lack' of Luke in the trailers....but I have a funny feeling his screen time is severely limited.....like it's a minute or two at the 'end' of the movie that will set up the next one. If the movie is 'good' I really don't care all that much.....
That has been my speculation for awhile now. Maybe some voiceover parts earlier in the film, but no actual appearance until the end, and that being very short.
Really, I think the movie would be better off with all the old actors' screen time limited.
I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if he and the other 'old' characters are limited. It's smart for them to use the nostalgia to entice people back in to the movie and get them excited....especially after the debacle of the prequels......as long as the movie is good and done well and their parts and roles 'make sense' it's all good with me.
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Apparently their roles will be far lessened in the next movie. I heard they rewrote the script to include more of the old actors, probably to make the new trilogy feel more familiar and pass the torch before they move on, but the new actors are still very much the focus of the story.
As for Luke, there was that leaked photo of Luke in the robes. Apparently he's in seclusion and they're trying to find him, so I don't know how much screen time he'll get in this one.
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Apparently their roles will be far lessened in the next movie. I heard they rewrote the script to include more of the old actors, probably to make the new trilogy feel more familiar and pass the torch before they move on, but the new actors are still very much the focus of the story.
As for Luke, there was that leaked photo of Luke in the robes. Apparently he's in seclusion and they're trying to find him, so I don't know how much screen time he'll get in this one.
Inb4 he's a force ghost in the final scene :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Just watched Attack of the clones. Overall I thought it was better than the phantom menace. Some of the action scenes were awesome and I really enjoyed Obi Wans adventure in the movie. However my god the dialog is absolutely dreadful, Especially the "romantic" scenes. Were people just afraid to tell George that his writing sucks? Also it doesn't help that the majority of the acting is flat, with Hayden and Samuel L Jackson being the worst offenders IMO. Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid were really the only survivors here.
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Ewen Macgregor is a great actor but his delivery on " He killed the younglings....no :| " has ZERO emotion.
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Star Trek Beyond trailer to debut with Star Wars The Force Awakens.
:o ;D :o ;D
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Star Trek Beyond trailer to debut with Star Wars The Force Awakens.
:o ;D :o ;D
Given the (unwarranted) rivalry between the two franchises, that should go down wonderfully. :lol
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It's a great idea though. Bad Robot is making both so why not...
Plus Star Wars will be seen by hundreds of millions of people. I can't think of any bigger exposure for a movie.
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Star Trek Beyond trailer to debut with Star Wars The Force Awakens.
:o ;D :o ;D
Given the (unwarranted) rivalry between the two franchises, that should go down wonderfully. :lol
Honestly, I think most people that are in one fandom are in the other. My dad used to be obsessed with both.
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Star Trek Beyond trailer to debut with Star Wars The Force Awakens.
:o ;D :o ;D
Given the (unwarranted) rivalry between the two franchises, that should go down wonderfully. :lol
Honestly, I think most people that are in one fandom are in the other. My dad used to be obsessed with both.
I don't know, Given how bigger and wider the appeal of Star Wars is, I'd say a lot of them don't like Trek, probably moreso because of the perceived rivalry between the two.
And just on principle alone, I see it getting booed.
(I say this as a hardcore Trekky all the way)
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Watched Revenge on the weekend. By far the best in the PT. It still feels rushed. They really needed more time to convince the audience of Anakin's turn. He went from wanting to kill Palpatine and tattling on him, to joining him and committing genocide in one afternoon. And the fact that the love story sucked made it hard to believe that was the reason he turned.
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I think the entire PT could have been one film.
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(I say this as a hardcore Trekky all the way)
I have a friend who is a hardcore SW fan but he obviously hated TPM and LOVED Star Trek 2009.
I find it hilarious that Simon Pegg is well known for hating the prequels and doesn't even regard them as Star Wars.
And his character in Force Awakens has been revealed as a "junk dealer" - so he's basically this movie's Watto. :lol
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(I say this as a hardcore Trekky all the way)
I have a friend who is a hardcore SW fan but he obviously hated TPM and LOVED Star Trek 2009.
That makes perfect sense, since JJ was trying to make a Star Wars film rather than a Star Trek film.
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Fine by me. It turned out to be the best ST film in ages.
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Watched Revenge on the weekend. By far the best in the PT. It still feels rushed. They really needed more time to convince the audience of Anakin's turn. He went from wanting to kill Palpatine and tattling on him, to joining him and committing genocide in one afternoon. And the fact that the love story sucked made it hard to believe that was the reason he turned.
Exactly. Lucas had the bones of a really good story, but it just wasn't executed in a way that was even halfway convincing. I think that, for his turn to be truly convincing, you needed a series of bigger tragedies that the Jedi must have been perceived by Anakin to have had a hand in. For him to go so far as to want to utterly exterminate the Jedi, and even the children themselves, he had to have become convinced that they were truly evil and a threat to order in the universe. Here is an example of how it the turning could have worked within the storyline Lucas created and could have been a lot more convincing:
-Ep. 1: Anakin is actually more shocked and emotionally distraught when he learns that the Qui Gon and the Jedi are not there to free the slaves, including Anakin's mother, and he agrees to go with Qui Gon and Obi Wan only after an emotional confrontation with them where they convince him that he can do good as a jedi, but that it is not the jedis' purpose to upset the political order on Tatooine or anywhere else, despite that some practices go on that they may personally be against. Anakin secretly vows to himself that he will someday free the slaves and come back for his mom once he is older and has more influence.
-Ep. 2: Palpatine manipulates things such that the separatists bring the galaxy to the brink of war (which is basically what was going on anyway). Anakin is against war and believes that the jedi and senate should be doing everything they can to prevent prolonged all-out war, even if, ironically, that means swift and decisive military action to squash the threats to peace. The major conflict that begins the clone wars either occurs on Tatooine, killing many of the people Anakin grew up with, or on Naboo, killing people Padme is close to. Anakin feels resentful toward the jedi and senate for (1) not preventing war, and (2) allowing people he cares about to be caught in the crossfire. He also hates the separatists. AND he is fearful that he will not be able to protect the ones he loves if he does not rise up and choose a different path for himself. He reluctantly remains faithful to the jedi way, but these seeds of doubt and dark-side emotions are planted, and Palpatine manipulates them and feeds them behind the scenes. Anakin vows that he WILL find a way to restore order, which includes freeing the slaves and rescuing his mom (who is still alive on Tatooine).
Ep. 3: As war rages on, Anakin distinguishes himself as a great jedi warrior and ally of the republic, which is basically where he was at the beginning of the real ep. 3. But he is conflicted, and is still being driven by the events in Ep. 2 and the horrors and suffering of war in general. The turning happens a bit earlier in the movie. The big event is some sort of conflict where Obi Wan is involved in a battle where Anakin's mother dies JUST as Anakin was finally in a position to go back and bring her away from Tatooine. Anakin's grief and despair take over and he goes berserk and turns into an absolute rage monster, not only blaming Obi Wan and the jedi for not doing enough to establish peace and order, but perhaps actually fomenting war for some sort of political gain. Padme advocates for the republic and the jedi, and Anakin becomes convinced that she is a traitor, and almost kills her. She escapes, but he is convinced that she is dead. Having lost everything, Anakin goes and confronts Obi Wan, and everything becomes twisted during the conversation (due to Palpatine manipulating things to create a misimpression in Anakin's mind), and Anakin is convinced that Obi Wan and the jedi are truly evil. Gets burned in lava and becomes the Vader we all know, but not because of the stupid high ground issue. All of these events, combined with the physical and emotional trauma he has just suffered, push the now deformed Anakin totally over the edge, and he now (in his mind, justifiably) believes the jedi and republic are enemies of peace and order, and vows to exterminate them. Order 66 is initiated and Vader goes and purges the jedi temple as the black armor-clad vader. Montage of events occurring over the next few months, which includes jedi being hunted down and killed; only Yoda and Obi Wan survive, and both go into hiding; Padme survives a few months and delivers the children, and dies in childbirth because the damage inflicted by Vader months earlier injured her more than people realized, and childbirth physically does her in, but Vader knows nothing about this; Gratuitous death star construction scene; roll credits.
Yeah, that is a much darker story. But the problem is, the creation/origin story of a villain as simultaneously complex, powerful, and evil as Vader really is supposed to be HAS TO be dark. And this series of events (or one like it) at least gives a better motivation for the transformation.
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snip****But the problem is******snip
George Lucas is a horrible story teller and overthunk every one of the prequels.......he left massive plot holes in the original three that he was then forced to try and explain and i think it was out of sheer luck and that the audience was primed for something 'new' like Star Wars that it was as big as it was. I love Star Wars as much as the next guy....that was right in my age range.....but Lucas is a tard' who got extremely lucky because he had good effects people surrounding him and a cool universe to where the toys made Star Wars what it was. dude sucks at writing.....
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He caught lightning in a bottle with Episode IV. Others made V and VI what they were, in spite of Lucas... not because of him. Then, he completely controlled (and had the money to) the PT movies, and just did what he wanted.
@ Bosk... that's already a better screenplay for the PT than what Lucas delivered.
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He caught lightning in a bottle with Episode IV. Others made V and VI what they were, in spite of Lucas... not because of him. Then, he completely controlled (and had the money to) the PT movies, and just did what he wanted.
@ Bosk... that's already a better screenplay for the PT than what Lucas delivered.
George Lucas is a good idea man. He just needs a filter to put those ideas through, because if he's the only one in charge you get Jar Jar.
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" Jar Jar is the key to all this. If we can make Jar Jar work. He's a funnier character than we've had before "
- George Lucas.
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He caught lightning in a bottle with Episode IV. Others made V and VI what they were, in spite of Lucas... not because of him. Then, he completely controlled (and had the money to) the PT movies, and just did what he wanted.
@ Bosk... that's already a better screenplay for the PT than what Lucas delivered.
George Lucas is a good idea man. He just needs a filter to put those ideas through, because if he's the only one in charge you get Jar Jar.
I'd sign off on that.
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Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....
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Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.
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Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.
This. There's a publicity shot of Kylo Ren with no helmet on and it's not Mark Hamill.
In the Red Letter Media predictions video - they basically show an Island off Ireland which exactly matches some leaked shots of Mark Hamill on Obi Wan Robes. They guessed he is in hiding.
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Also wanted to agree about Lucas having good ideas but needed a filter for the prequels. It also sounds like he has viewed Episode VII and "Really liked it".
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Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.
This. There's a publicity shot of Kylo Ren with no helmet on and it's not Mark Hamill.
In the Red Letter Media predictions video - they basically show an Island off Ireland which exactly matches some leaked shots of Mark Hamill on Obi Wan Robes. They guessed he is in hiding.
These are all distractions from the dark side.....
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AKA the SW fanbois.
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I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Star Wars fan by any stretch (I love the original trilogy, hate the prequels, have watched some Rebels, played some SWTOR, but apart from that I haven't read the comics, books, played any of the other games) but it's interesting to see all these weird theories like Luke being Kylo Ren when it was confirmed maybe a year ago that Kylo Ren would be played by Adam Driver, who is most likely the son of Leia/Han.
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Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....
:facepalm: No.
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Also wanted to agree about Lucas having good ideas but needed a filter for the prequels. It also sounds like he has viewed Episode VII and "Really liked it".
Yea I saw an article a couple of days ago that Lucas had seen it and he really liked it.
Here it is: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-attend-star-wars-845948
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Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....
:facepalm: No.
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w677-h460-q90-c677:460/wp-content/uploads/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren-adam-driver.jpg)
This is Kylo Ren. He is NOT Luke Skywalker.
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And if they were casting someone else as Kylo Ren to throw people off the scent, I think they'd cast someone a little closer in stature. 6"3' vs 5'9", not to mention the rest of the proportions. That would be a huge discrepancy after the reveal, even for a movie.
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Watched Revenge on the weekend. By far the best in the PT. It still feels rushed. They really needed more time to convince the audience of Anakin's turn. He went from wanting to kill Palpatine and tattling on him, to joining him and committing genocide in one afternoon. And the fact that the love story sucked made it hard to believe that was the reason he turned.
Exactly. Lucas had the bones of a really good story, but it just wasn't executed in a way that was even halfway convincing. I think that, for his turn to be truly convincing, you needed a series of bigger tragedies that the Jedi must have been perceived by Anakin to have had a hand in. For him to go so far as to want to utterly exterminate the Jedi, and even the children themselves, he had to have become convinced that they were truly evil and a threat to order in the universe. Here is an example of how it the turning could have worked within the storyline Lucas created and could have been a lot more convincing:
-Ep. 1: Anakin is actually more shocked and emotionally distraught when he learns that the Qui Gon and the Jedi are not there to free the slaves, including Anakin's mother, and he agrees to go with Qui Gon and Obi Wan only after an emotional confrontation with them where they convince him that he can do good as a jedi, but that it is not the jedis' purpose to upset the political order on Tatooine or anywhere else, despite that some practices go on that they may personally be against. Anakin secretly vows to himself that he will someday free the slaves and come back for his mom once he is older and has more influence.
-Ep. 2: Palpatine manipulates things such that the separatists bring the galaxy to the brink of war (which is basically what was going on anyway). Anakin is against war and believes that the jedi and senate should be doing everything they can to prevent prolonged all-out war, even if, ironically, that means swift and decisive military action to squash the threats to peace. The major conflict that begins the clone wars either occurs on Tatooine, killing many of the people Anakin grew up with, or on Naboo, killing people Padme is close to. Anakin feels resentful toward the jedi and senate for (1) not preventing war, and (2) allowing people he cares about to be caught in the crossfire. He also hates the separatists. AND he is fearful that he will not be able to protect the ones he loves if he does not rise up and choose a different path for himself. He reluctantly remains faithful to the jedi way, but these seeds of doubt and dark-side emotions are planted, and Palpatine manipulates them and feeds them behind the scenes. Anakin vows that he WILL find a way to restore order, which includes freeing the slaves and rescuing his mom (who is still alive on Tatooine).
Ep. 3: As war rages on, Anakin distinguishes himself as a great jedi warrior and ally of the republic, which is basically where he was at the beginning of the real ep. 3. But he is conflicted, and is still being driven by the events in Ep. 2 and the horrors and suffering of war in general. The turning happens a bit earlier in the movie. The big event is some sort of conflict where Obi Wan is involved in a battle where Anakin's mother dies JUST as Anakin was finally in a position to go back and bring her away from Tatooine. Anakin's grief and despair take over and he goes berserk and turns into an absolute rage monster, not only blaming Obi Wan and the jedi for not doing enough to establish peace and order, but perhaps actually fomenting war for some sort of political gain. Padme advocates for the republic and the jedi, and Anakin becomes convinced that she is a traitor, and almost kills her. She escapes, but he is convinced that she is dead. Having lost everything, Anakin goes and confronts Obi Wan, and everything becomes twisted during the conversation (due to Palpatine manipulating things to create a misimpression in Anakin's mind), and Anakin is convinced that Obi Wan and the jedi are truly evil. Gets burned in lava and becomes the Vader we all know, but not because of the stupid high ground issue. All of these events, combined with the physical and emotional trauma he has just suffered, push the now deformed Anakin totally over the edge, and he now (in his mind, justifiably) believes the jedi and republic are enemies of peace and order, and vows to exterminate them. Order 66 is initiated and Vader goes and purges the jedi temple as the black armor-clad vader. Montage of events occurring over the next few months, which includes jedi being hunted down and killed; only Yoda and Obi Wan survive, and both go into hiding; Padme survives a few months and delivers the children, and dies in childbirth because the damage inflicted by Vader months earlier injured her more than people realized, and childbirth physically does her in, but Vader knows nothing about this; Gratuitous death star construction scene; roll credits.
Yeah, that is a much darker story. But the problem is, the creation/origin story of a villain as simultaneously complex, powerful, and evil as Vader really is supposed to be HAS TO be dark. And this series of events (or one like it) at least gives a better motivation for the transformation.
Very nice, 1. 9/10 would watch.
One of the things that seem awkward in Anakin's transformation in Ep. III is his clear lack of motivation. True, Padme dying was a big deal, but that doesn't seem enough to take him to a 'I pledge myself...... to your teachings......' after chopping off Mace's arm just because 'I NEED HIM!'. Yesterday, he was asking Obi-Wan's forgiveness, revealing Sidious' identity to the Jedi Council and just being a good Jedi teenager with some issues as every teenager does. The next day he had yellow eyes and killed some Jedi younglings. I would have hoped a slower but steadier transformation to the dark side as bosk's outline suggests; more real, more human.
I think the biggest problem of the prequels is the amount of information displayed on screen. Lucas had a whole bunch of stories he wanted to tell, but failed to do so with many of them.
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Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....
:facepalm: No.
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w677-h460-q90-c677:460/wp-content/uploads/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren-adam-driver.jpg)
This is Kylo Ren. He is NOT Luke Skywalker.
could be a trick promotional shot?
:lol
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Why are those snowtroopers marching with Edward Scissorhands? ???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY
Is this the new one? I was told to avoid it because it is spoilery.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY
Is this the new one? I was told to avoid it because it is spoilery.
I watched... it's the International trailer (with some kind of orient subtitles). Mostly stuff that's already been shown in the other trailers and TV spots... maybe about 20% new stuff. Can't say it was terribly 'spoilery'.
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But it DOES show NOMACs.
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But it DOES show NOMACs.
And (Dark) Lord Nafarius
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Hard to believe we only have to wait one more week! I'll be staying off the net starting Wednesday until Thursday night when I get to the see the movie.
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
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How hilarious would it be if Kylo Ren was Khan :lol
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TOO SOON!
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" I am Khan. There is nowhere I cannot go. I used my genetically engineered intellect to create a dimensional gateway between realities. "
Simon Pegg as Watto : " we'sa fucked pretty bad "
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.
I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.
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Star Wars The Force Awakens v. Kylo Ren Solo
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.
I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.
Agreed 100%
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My name is...KYLO.......
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..RenBinks.. . . .
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I saw Star Wars oranges and Star Wars coffee creamer in the grocery store over the weekend. Nothing special about the product. The labels were just Star Wars theme. I swear, every single store in this country has at least one item with Star Wars on it. Shit, Kohls has a few thousand.
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Sadly, that's what Star Wars has always been about. :-\
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Absolutely, they're everywhere. You'd be hard pressed to walk into a store and not find SOMETHING Star Wars related. It's pretty impressive, actually. I mean, I couldn't give a shit less, but impressive nonetheless. There is publicity...and then there is Star Wars.
I've decided to wait to go see the movie. I went to the mall yesterday and just reaffirmed that I fucking abhor crowds and am mostly still a misanthrope. I just can't stand most people and that is magnified ten fold when in close proximity and mashed together like sardines. I'd much rather be watching the movie with plenty of open seats around me. Granted, I doubt there is going to be any duration that this movie is out that it'll just be empty in the theater but at least I'll have a little space.
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.
I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.
Agreed 100%
But...with The Force Awakens this close, shouldn't it be obvious to EVERYONE that this thread will have spoilers? And shouldn't it follow that, if you don't want the movie spoiled, you shouldn't be anywhere near a Star Wars-related thread right now? Am I missing something?
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No Bosky, no one should be missing anything. Except this shtick comes up every single time a big movie/game/album releases and it's just as mind boggling as it was the first time it happened all those eons ago.
But uh...y'know, no sweat off my sack if there is another thread. I've got very few series among any medium that I actually care about spoilers and this isn't one of them so I don't really have a Rancor in this fight.
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I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii. :\
This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.
I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.
Agreed 100%
But...with The Force Awakens this close, shouldn't it be obvious to EVERYONE that this thread will have spoilers? And shouldn't it follow that, if you don't want the movie spoiled, you shouldn't be anywhere near a Star Wars-related thread right now? Am I missing something?
Part of the reason that it came to mind for me to ask is how the last IM album was handled in the music forum. I realize that part of the reason for the separate thread was because the album leaked a couple of weeks early, and the main thread was left spoiler free for those that didn't want to listen to it prior to the official release. However, (and I realize that I might be completely full of shit when I say this) it seemed like the main IM thread was left free of discussion about the new album for a few weeks after the release as well. Something like a grace period for those that chose to wait and let the music sink in naturally? Or, I could be experiencing selective memory loss.
Anyways, I thought that the same rule might apply here as well. No big deal either way. I'll probably play it safe and avoid this thread for a few weeks.
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No big deal either way. I'll probably play it safe and avoid this thread for a few weeks.
Agreed... think I'll step out until next week. jingle.family is planning to go on Sunday.
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Tweets/reviews from those who have commented on the premiere seem to be universally positive. Taking my son on Saturday morning to see for myself.
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I saw Star Wars oranges and Star Wars coffee creamer in the grocery store over the weekend. Nothing special about the product. The labels were just Star Wars theme. I swear, every single store in this country has at least one item with Star Wars on it. Shit, Kohls has a few thousand.
Is Disney buying space on traffic signs?
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What with it being Christmas season, and having lots to do, I probably won't have time to see it until Monday night. I will stay off the internet all weekend if necessary.
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Going Sunday at 12pm. DVR'ing the Pats game to watch after the movie.
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Hi, I have a question. I was a big fan of the original, and saw The Empire Strikes back, but that's all I've seen for Star Wars movies. I know they had 3 prequels, so my question is, where does the new movie fall in the timeline with the original. Is this a prequel too, or is this in the future? If so, how much in the future from the original is this one set?
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This one is set to take place approximately 30 years after Return of the Jedi (which was itself approximately 1 year after the events in The Empire Strikes Back).
Ep. I is set approximately 35 years before Ep. IV, A New Hope.
Ep. II is set approximately 22 years prior.
Ep. III is set approximately 18-19 years prior.
Ep. V (Empire Strikes Back) is 3-4 years after.
Ep. VI (Return of the Jedi) is approximately 1 year after that.
Ep. VII, the new one, is approximately 30-32 years after that.
TAC, if you are planning on seeing the new one, do yourself a favor and watch the originals in Machete Order (which I described earlier in the thread). Watch them in this order: IV, V, II, III, VI. Skip I altogether. Then see the new one.
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Planning on watching it on sunday if I can get tickets. So I will probably avoid this thread from know on because I feel it will explode tomorrow. The stream from the world premier is great to keeping the hype alive even though that's probably not an issue for most.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens World Premiere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0OIPggil7k)
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somebody may have just spoiled the whole movie for me
anyone feel like dying today
cause I feel like rippin' a few throats out right now
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You can tell me I am not invested in this movie in any way.
NON SPOILERY RedLetterMedia video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaGe8XcMHA
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Yeah... I'm outta here until Sunday evening. Though I do suggest (for a couple of days at least), people who catch the early viewings put some spoiler headings and/or small font.
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HUGE SPOILER
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Everything in that picture is wrong.
On topic: I recently heard about these wars going on in the stars, does anyone know of such a thing? What's going on?
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I'm trying to avoid anything spoiler-y related, reviews included, to the new Star Wars movie before I'm going to see it tomorrow.
Not an easy thing to do today when reviews appears left and right throughout the day. And I need to be online to do my job.
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Can't wait until Thursday night :metal I've stopped clicking all articles Star Wars related and am just trying to be patient at this point.
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Just got back from midnight screening. Excellent film! The plot is a little derivative, but it's really well done. Exceeded my expectations for sure.
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I've seen criticisms of it being derivative, and it fits with what I know from the trailers and info. I think they're just playing it safe with the first movie, making it feel familiar and comfortable with some old elements, before branching out more and doing their own thing with all of the new elements they've established in the following movies. After the overwhelmingly negative response to the prequels, I think they wanted this movie to scream Star Wars to cleanse the palette a bit.
The 97% Rotten Tomatoes rating is currently trending on Twitter. Hopefully it holds up well over time. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind it has the prequels beat at the very least.
20 hours until I see it. I still suggest someone make a new thread. A lot of people won't get to see this immediately, but may still want to discuss the anticipation and hype, and want some spoiler free feedback. This is going to be one of the biggest movies of all time, it warrants its own thread!
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I still suggest someone make a new thread. A lot of people won't get to see this immediately, but may still want to discuss the anticipation and hype, and want some spoiler free feedback. This is going to be one of the biggest movies of all time, it warrants its own thread!
I get bosk1's point of 'you should expect spoilers' in the STAR WARS thread....but this movie may just need it's own. I'm certain I'll want to speak about it without small fonting everything or tip toeing around to try and not ruin it for people....
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I still suggest someone make a new thread. A lot of people won't get to see this immediately, but may still want to discuss the anticipation and hype, and want some spoiler free feedback. This is going to be one of the biggest movies of all time, it warrants its own thread!
I get bosk1's point of 'you should expect spoilers' in the STAR WARS thread....but this movie may just need it's own. I'm certain I'll want to speak about it without small fonting everything or tip toeing around to try and not ruin it for people....
For a movie this big, who wants to do that? That just kills the fun on what is one of the biggest pop culture events in a long time. People should be able to discuss it freely.
I don't agree that you should have to expect spoilers in the Star Wars thread. This is a thread for a huge franchise in general, not just for the one movie, a thread that was around years before Ep VII was even announced. People still want to discuss the lead up and get excited without having the movie ruined. You should obviously expect spoilers in a thread about The Force Awakens though.
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I don't get it, but okay.
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I don't mind spoilers about Star Wars in a Star Wars thread.
But let's hold off on them at least until the official release date, the 18th. Once we get there, it's open season and in the public domain, and the reader should beware.
For people lucky enough to see it before then, congratulations, but please no spoilers quite yet.
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I don't get it, but okay.
Bosky, you're a national treasure.
But not the crappy kind with Nicholas Cage, the good kind like Betty White.
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Movies nearly always get a great reception in the first week after they're in cinemas.
Then after that - the trolls come out in full force and declare everything the worst movie ever made.
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I don't mind being lumped in with Betty White in pretty much any context.
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Movies nearly always get a great reception in the first week after they're in cinemas.
Then after that - the trolls come out in full force and declare everything the worst movie ever made.
Good thing nothing like that ever happens on this forum! :neverusethis:
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The IMDB forum is hilarious for that.
You look up any film you can think of and there's at least 10 threads in the forum for that film which are titled " WORST MOVIE EVER " or " THIS MOVIE SUCKS SO HARD ".
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Movies nearly always get a great reception in the first week after they're in cinemas.
Then after that - the trolls come out in full force and declare everything the worst movie ever made.
More like-
A movie gets great initial reviews in the hype and excitement of seeing a movie for the first time on the big screen.
Then over time people rewatch it, and realize they got caught up in the excitement, and give it a more honest level headed objective review.
Sure, you'll have polarized views from both ends, but they're a loud minority in both cases, as is typical for the internet.
Even Episode I apparently got generally positive reviews from fans initially (nowhere near this good), which is unbelievable to anybody now. :lol I'm sure The Force Awakens is a genuinely good movie either way, but I doubt it's going to hold its current ratings. It's just a matter of how far it will drop before it settles.
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Going to a MIDNIGHT showing tonight !!!
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You're a brave man! :lol I'm going to a 10pm showing.
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Hey that's nothing !
I booked an IMAX showing of Into Darkness for the release date in London ( I was living in Reading at the time )... at 9pm.
Then i found out the Multiplex in the town centre was showing it at midnight the same day so I went to that AS WELL.
:lol
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I'll be seeing it at 7:30pm tomorrow, so roughly only 32.5 hours! :caffeine:
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I'll be seeing it at 7:30pm tomorrow, so roughly only 32.5 hours! :caffeine:
16 hours for me. :hat
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I'm jealous of all my Irish, U.K., European, Australian, and New Zealand friends that get to see it a day ahead of me.
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Going to a MIDNIGHT showing tonight !!!
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Me too :metal 6 hours and counting. Also seeing it in IMAX 3D on Friday.
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HUGE SPOILER
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Massive Star Wars spoiler.
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Star Wars spoiler:
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Might need to avoid some rather popular places on the internetz in general. jingle.son is totally bummed that he just got spoiled about something pretty major via Instagram. He's holding it in, but quite clearly bummed.
So, guess I'll be gettin off FB too for the next couple of days. Luckily, I don't use the tweeters.
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You can infer from the trailers and from the fact that it's likely going to be the same story as the first movie, that someone is going to die. No idea who though. I'd rather not be spoiled on that either. It could be Han, or Finn (god I hope it isn't), or maybe even Kylo...his actor isn't slated to be in VIII, so who knows?
(Not posting in the spoilers thread because it's just speculation. Not actual spoilers.)
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You can infer from the trailers and from the fact that it's likely going to be the same story as the first movie, that someone is going to die. No idea who though. I'd rather not be spoiled on that either. It could be Han, or Finn (god I hope it isn't), or maybe even Kylo...his actor isn't slated to be in VIII, so who knows?
(Not posting in the spoilers thread because it's just speculation. Not actual spoilers.)
I doubt Rey would be so emotional over Kylo Ren's death
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I don't get it, but okay.
Bosky, you're a national treasure.
But not the crappy kind with Nicholas Cage, the good kind like Betty White.
Hey asshole, those movies are great!
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Bit of a stretch. It's the first 4-5 albums for Metallica, and after the Star Wars PT, people mostly weren't expecting or anticipating more movies until TFA came along, which by all accounts has redeemed it.
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I'm gonna see TFA in a week, how do I avoid spoilers till then? Besides the obvious..
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I don't know what counts as the obvious, but be wary of the kinds of people you have on social media who might feel the need to blab, maybe block some people until you've seen it. Social media altogether is a crapshoot for spoilers.
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12.5 hours to go!
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Sitting in the theater. 17 minutes to go!
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ohmygodohmygodohmygod
holy fuck
that was fucking incredible
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Got myself tickets for Sunday! :metal
Can't wait!!
Star Wars Main Theme - Single by Galactic Empire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPV9NNvtL20)
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I've literally had dreams about this movie for the past few months and I'm finally gonna see it Monday!!
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I've literally had dreams about this movie for the past few months and I'm finally gonna see it Monday!!
I had a dream the night before I saw it that it was going to be awful. :lol The first half of the movie was some random Empire characters doing paperwork or something, then it was some kind of board game with diagrams. It was quite strange.
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ohmygodohmygodohmygod
holy fuck
that was fucking incredible
totes. i'm definitely going again. this blows the hind tits off any of the prequels.
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Good to hear the positivity!
I have to wait until Monday to see it. :(
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ohmygodohmygodohmygod
holy fuck
that was fucking incredible
totes. i'm definitely going again. this blows the hind tits off any of the prequels.
yep. I'm going to take the kiddos on Sunday I think....this movie is the PERFECT transition to the future of STAR WARS......very well done IMO
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With a new Star Wars movie coming out every year, how long do you guys think it'll take before the hype collapses and/or they drive the series into the ground? Do you think the endless possibilities of the universe will actually be taken advantage of in a way that won't make it seem like they are scraping the bottom of the barrel in 4 years?
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Going to see it again today in the very early afternoon, as it won't be as busy
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With a new Star Wars movie coming out every year, how long do you guys think it'll take before the hype collapses and/or they drive the series into the ground? Do you think the endless possibilities of the universe will actually be taken advantage of in a way that won't make it seem like they are scraping the bottom of the barrel in 4 years?
Is there one every year? I mean I know Rogue One comes out next year followed by episode 8 which will give us a star wars movie every year up to 2017, are there more standalone movies planned after that?
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I thought Disney said that their plan was to have spin-off movies in between each of the trilogy movies and then a new Star Wars movie every year for the foreseeable future.
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Yes, that's what they said.
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With a new Star Wars movie coming out every year, how long do you guys think it'll take before the hype collapses and/or they drive the series into the ground? Do you think the endless possibilities of the universe will actually be taken advantage of in a way that won't make it seem like they are scraping the bottom of the barrel in 4 years?
Is there one every year? I mean I know Rogue One comes out next year followed by episode 8 which will give us a star wars movie every year up to 2017, are there more standalone movies planned after that?
I thought Disney said that their plan was to have spin-off movies in between each of the trilogy movies and then a new Star Wars movie every year for the foreseeable future.
Yes, that's what they said.
I think there are so many avenues and possibilities in that universe....so many characters to explore....that they could keep it fresh with some good writing and original ideas.
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The possibilities are indeed there. I hope you're right.
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To bring discussion back over here, let's do some rankings! From best to worst, my favorite Star Wars movies are as follows:
5
7
4
6
3
1
2
And also, I think the prequels are objectively lazily written and directed films. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy them, but to say they are as good as or better than the OT is misguided. Also, to say that it's completely opinion-based is unfair to the art of film making. Ask anyone with experience in film or credibility; the overwhelming majority agrees that the prequels are simply not good.
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To bring discussion back over here, let's do some rankings! From best to worst, my favorite Star Wars movies are as follows:
5
7
4
6
3
1
2
And also, I think the prequels are objectively lazily written and directed films. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy them, but to say they are as good as or better than the OT is misguided. Also, to say that it's completely opinion-based is unfair to the art of film making. Ask anyone with experience in film or credibility; the overwhelming majority agrees that the prequels are simply not good.
LOL @ that.
III
I
V
II
VI
IV
I'm thinking that VII will wind up between I and V.
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Rankings: What DTF does best.
I refuse to rank TFA after just 4 days and one viewing.
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LOL @ that.
For research purposes, how old are you? And how old were you when you first saw the prequels?
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Okay, let's rank the Star Wars movies then. Im still not 100% sure where TFA will land but, it's most likely third on my list.
5
4
7
6
3
1
2
Attack of the Clones might be one of the worst movies i have ever seen. It's in the same league as Batman&Robin, Wicker Man(Nicholas Cage) and The Happening. It is just embarrassing. Ep.1 has a few redeemable moments, and ROTS was actually pretty decent.
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I'm seeing TFA tonight!
Current rankings:
V
IV
VI
III
I
II
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And also, I think the prequels are objectively lazily written and directed films. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy them, but to say they are as good as or better than the OT is misguided. Also, to say that it's completely opinion-based is unfair to the art of film making. Ask anyone with experience in film or credibility; the overwhelming majority agrees that the prequels are simply not good.
Yup. That can't even credibly be debated.
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LOL @ that.
For research purposes, how old are you? And how old were you when you first saw the prequels?
Take this for what it's worth, as I don't have any experience in film, or any "creditability". I just like the movies that I like because of my own experiences, personal opinion etc.
I'm 32. I was born in 1983, and watched the OT films several times both on VHS and television starting roughly at age 5. I saw the prequel films multiple times each, in theaters at ages 16, 19 and 22. I do acknowledge that I'm not old enough to have first-hand experience of how Episode IV changed cinema and movie-going, but I am knowledgeable enough to respect it. I prefer the prequels, as a whole, to the OT as a whole. It is what it is.
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That's cool to hear actually! In the past, it seemed that all people who claimed prequels were better than the OT were very young, born around 1990-1995.
And I didn't mean the credibility comment in a way to discredit your opinions simply because you don't make films. I have no more experience than you in that respect. :lol You can enjoy the movies, and enjoy them more than the OT! That's fine, and I can respect that.
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That's cool to hear actually! In the past, it seemed that all people who claimed prequels were better than the OT were very young, born around 1990-1995.
And I didn't mean the credibility comment in a way to discredit your opinions simply because you don't make films. I have no more experience than you in that respect. :lol You can enjoy the movies, and enjoy them more than the OT! That's fine, and I can respect that.
I appreciate that. That's why I always throw out the "in my opinion" disclaimer. The prequels certainly had their shortcomings, and the OT certainly had things that kicked ass (Pretty much everything that happened @Cloud City in V was amazing).
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V
VII
VI
III
IV
II
I
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While Phantom Menace is far from the worst movie of all time, I do consider it the biggest fuck-up in movie history.
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The Force Awakens is definitely in my top three, and might even go down as my favorite Star Wars movie, but that will require at least a year or two to accurately determine.
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I'm close to Hef on the rankings, but I think I deserves to be lower. The gap between I and II isn't that large - they both deserve a huge gap after III. So many shortcomings in both.
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V
VII
IV
VI
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III
I
II
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If we're including gaps, then here's my graph. (VII will likely move down over time.)
II I III VI IV VII V
Worst<---------------------------------|--------------------------------->Best
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So the general consensus is V, VII, IV, VI, III, I, II?
interesting
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I don't think there is anywhere near enough data to consider it a general consensus. But I can say that, with the exception of flipping IV and VI, I would probably tentatively agree with that ("tentatively" because VII is just too new to really feel like I can solidly take it all in, much less rank it against the others).
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III and VI are reversed for many, along with I and II. But what's common between almost all rankings are which movies are in which clusters if that makes any sense.
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I think the GENERAL consensus is OT better than PT, with the order of the individual films varying.
And V is seen by many people as the best of the lot.
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This is worth a look: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens/best-worst-movies-poll/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens/best-worst-movies-poll/)
Tl;dr, if you do Rotten Tomatoes style analysis of the reviews of each Star Wars film using only reviews that were published at the time of the film's release, the film with the best critical reception was Revenge of the Sith. The six Lucas films would rank as follows:
1. Revenge of the Sith: 80%
2. A New Hope: 74%
3. Attack of the Clones: 67%
4. The Empire Strikes Back: 63%
5. Return of the Jedi: 61%
6. The Phantom Menace: 60%
What's interesting about this is that Empire did not receive an overly laudatory critical reception initially, and sometime between then and now, it became the clear fan and critic favorite.
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In many ways the OT was before its time though. When you get those movies you're not always gonna see universal praise at the initial release. Just look at Blade Runner, it received very mixed opinions but has become a cult classic over time. Sometimes when you look back at those films, it's easier to appreciate them in retrospect because you see how great they were for its time, and I think we're more open to weird ideas now compared to 20-30-40 years ago. Same with Star Wars. A lot of people thought it was amazing when it came out, but I bet there was also a lot of people scratching their heads and going "what the hell is this?" and being puzzled by words like "Jedi", "Sith", "Wookie" etc.
You also gotta keep in mind that Episode III was preceded by two of the worst films in human history, so I think when the critics had suffered through TPM and especially AotC, getting to Revenge of the Sith, it looks like Citizen Kane in comparison to those two. I also think the RT score can be somewhat misleading because it's not about what's the most loved, but what has the broadest appeal. I think The Force Awakens has a much broader appeal to the general audiences today than A New Hope had to the general audiences in '77, and as a result TFA will get a higher RT score, but in a lot of ways ANH is a more beloved film.
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^All that. Plus, critics are stupid.
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Also, if you're hoping that means that some day, the prequels will be regarded as classics, I've got bad news for you. It's been almost the same amount of time since the prequels as there was time in between Jedi and TPM. :P
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I don't think anyone thinks that. The world over, there are like 5 people that might think the prequels are on par with the OT, and given that 2 of them post on this board, that only leaves 3 unaccounted for.
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:lol
I personally revel in both the amount of blind love for the OT and the unrivaled hate towards the PT. When you get right down to it, both the amount of love and hate is ridiculous. The OT is not the pristine, ingeniously sculpted, brilliantly deep, intricately woven tale that many seem to elate it to and the PT isn't nearly as much of a horribly dry anal raping that the other side stones it for. Star Wars is, and always will be no matter what deluded, addicted, deranged mofo tells you (again, on either end), simply good fun sci/fi. It has some great lore, interesting mythos and some awesome characters with a nice backdrop of a space epic. It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics and is pretty by-the-numbers sci/fi. The utterly asinine, almost immature 'battle' of PT vs. OT (and now vs. NT, New Trilogy) will always and forever be brought up when discussing anything Star Wars related and it's a damn shame because holy fucking hell no one should give that many shits about anyone's opinion, let alone a series that is just full of a good time and nothing more. Star Wars has always been, at its core, about the sense of self, adventure, and the motherfuggin' force. To go beyond that is to tarnish its name and even (rather, especially) the most addicted of fans can't even see that because they're too busy running their mouths about what the pros and cons are of each film and each set of trilogies. But that is just my own opinion.
Great, fun series...also not worth anywhere near the amount of ludicrous arguments that are spent over it for any amount of time. :tup
That said, it's not like any of this will deter either faction towards any kind of sanity, so let the weirdly obsessive battle continue! :corn
/gump And that's all I hafta say about that. /gump
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I agree with you on the OT. I've never been a Star Wars "fan", I just casually enjoy them as a movie watcher, and I've only seen them a few times each, but they're good fun movies.
However, the PT is genuinely awful. :lol
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I personally revel in both the amount of blind love for the OT and the unrivaled hate towards the PT. When you get right down to it, both the amount of love and hate is ridiculous. The OT is not the pristine, ingeniously sculpted, brilliantly deep, intricately woven tale that many seem to elate it to and the PT isn't nearly as much of a horribly dry anal raping that the other side stones it for. Star Wars is, and always will be no matter what deluded, addicted, deranged mofo tells you (again, on either end), simply good fun sci/fi. It has some great lore, interesting mythos and some awesome characters with a nice backdrop of a space epic. It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics and is pretty by-the-numbers sci/fi. The utterly asinine, almost immature 'battle' of PT vs. OT (and now vs. NT, New Trilogy) will always and forever be brought up when discussing anything Star Wars related and it's a damn shame because holy fucking hell no one should give that many shits about anyone's opinion, let alone a series that is just full of a good time and nothing more. Star Wars has always been, at its core, about the sense of self, adventure, and the motherfuggin' force. To go beyond that is to tarnish its name and even (rather, especially) the most addicted of fans can't even see that because they're too busy running their mouths about what the pros and cons are of each film and each set of trilogies. But that is just my own opinion.
Great, fun series...also not worth anywhere near the amount of ludicrous arguments that are spent over it for any amount of time. :tup
That said, it's not like any of this will deter either faction towards any kind of sanity, so let the weirdly obsessive battle continue! :corn
/gump And that's all I hafta say about that. /gump
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I have not seen VII yet, but I would rank II way higher than I. Part of that is attributable to my recollections of both at the time. I knew a lot about I going in, which somewhat spoiled (pun intended) my enjoyment of it. Nothing much happened that I didn't know was going to happen. (ignoring the fact that it was not a complex plot to begin with). When II was coming out, I decided to avoid any spoilerage, but did watch the trailers. As such, I enjoyed the experience in the theater much more.
Possibly unrelated, today I would say II is much more enjoyable than I, if I had to sit down and watch either. And since I was a boy, SW has always been about enjoyment to me, so that goes a long way in how I view these films.
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This is worth a look: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens/best-worst-movies-poll/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens/best-worst-movies-poll/)
Tl;dr, if you do Rotten Tomatoes style analysis of the reviews of each Star Wars film using only reviews that were published at the time of the film's release, the film with the best critical reception was Revenge of the Sith. The six Lucas films would rank as follows:
1. Revenge of the Sith: 80%
2. A New Hope: 74%
3. Attack of the Clones: 67%
4. The Empire Strikes Back: 63%
5. Return of the Jedi: 61%
6. The Phantom Menace: 60%
What's interesting about this is that Empire did not receive an overly laudatory critical reception initially, and sometime between then and now, it became the clear fan and critic favorite.
Also interesting that episode III ranks highest by this metric. I admit that upon first seeing it after it came out, I thought it was AWESOME. In hindsight, I think it had to do with the fact that so many highly anticipated plot pieces were tackled in it and it really tied together a ton of stuff from the prequels to the OT. The narrative content was so exciting that I initially overlooked the shitty dialogue, plot holes, and other shortcomings, only to be hit upside the head by them while viewing it again later.
Haven't seen VII yet, hopefully I'll have time to go soon. I'm hearing good things.
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I don't think anyone thinks that. The world over, there are like 5 people that might think the prequels are on par with the OT, and given that 2 of them post on this board, that only leaves 3 unaccounted for.
Mike Klimo (https://www.starwarsringtheory.com) (who I keep pimping for a good reason: he's done some very intelligent and insightful scholarship and analysis on these films that doesn't deserve to be ignored just because you hate the prequels)
George Lucas
Hayden Christensen probably
There you go, all accounted for. ;D
You also gotta keep in mind that Episode III was preceded by two of the worst films in human history,
Thanks for reminding me why I tend to avoid talking to people older than myself about Star Wars. This is an absolutely preposterous statement. No one who has seen The Room, Titanic: The Legend Goes On or Birdemic: Shock and Terror could possibly think that Attack of the Clones is anywhere in the league of the worst films in human history. There are films that came out this year that are vastly, VASTLY inferior to The Phantom Menace. Films that came out this week (Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip, anyone?).
Dislike the prequels if you want. You're wrong and you're missing half the story, but dislike them if you want. But when you are making utterly insane statements like they're "two of the worst films in human history"? My God, they obviously are not. They are mediocre at worst. And at the point where you're saying that, it's evident that you aren't looking at the films with anything that resembles an objective perspective. It's just irrational hatred at that point.
My brief period of engagement in this forum's Star Wars threads is about to come to a predictable end, I think.
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I don't think the prequels are amazing, but I do think people tend to be rather hyperbolic about how awful they are, to an extent that just seems rather silly.
edit: Which also tends to be based on an equally silly reverence towards the original trilogy, I believe.
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I don't think the prequels are amazing, but I do think people tend to be rather hyperbolic about how awful they are, to an extent that just seems rather silly.
edit: Which also tends to be based on an equally silly reverence towards the original trilogy, I believe.
I agree. Although I do think it's easier for people to overstate how good the OT is than for people to overstate how awful the PT is. Star Wars as never a series of deep and high brow entertainment. It's always been a fun fantasy adventure borrow story elements and structures from past stories put in a new settings. It's always been a product, meant to be sold to the general populace for fun. And they did that very very well. They were amazingly effective and enjoyable movies.
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I'd post this in the other thread as this is a massive spoiler.
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So the general consensus is V, VII, IV, VI, III, I, II?
interesting
From what i see, Force Awakens is right in the middle between OT and PT. It isn't lauded as the OT to be ranked along them or awful received to be along the PT.
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I'd argue that The Room is a much more entertaining film and definitely not as hard to sit through as AotC or TPM, with that said, not necessarily better, but more enjoyable at least.
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DOH!!! I am so sorry! I honestly thought I was in the spoiler thread when I posted that.
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So Mrs. P had the great idea to watch the previous Star Wars movies prior to our Christmas Day viewing of The Force Awakens. I grabbed the original trilogy box set, and she overrode me and put in The Phantom Menace. I rolled my eyes, and she said, "Oh, come on. It's not that bad." :lol
When it was over, she looked at me and laughed and said, "You may destroy that DVD. The suck is strong with that one!" :rollin
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I personally revel in both the amount of blind love for the OT and the unrivaled hate towards the PT. When you get right down to it, both the amount of love and hate is ridiculous. The OT is not the pristine, ingeniously sculpted, brilliantly deep, intricately woven tale that many seem to elate it to and the PT isn't nearly as much of a horribly dry anal raping that the other side stones it for. Star Wars is, and always will be no matter what deluded, addicted, deranged mofo tells you (again, on either end), simply good fun sci/fi. It has some great lore, interesting mythos and some awesome characters with a nice backdrop of a space epic. It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics and is pretty by-the-numbers sci/fi. The utterly asinine, almost immature 'battle' of PT vs. OT (and now vs. NT, New Trilogy) will always and forever be brought up when discussing anything Star Wars related and it's a damn shame because holy fucking hell no one should give that many shits about anyone's opinion, let alone a series that is just full of a good time and nothing more. Star Wars has always been, at its core, about the sense of self, adventure, and the motherfuggin' force. To go beyond that is to tarnish its name and even (rather, especially) the most addicted of fans can't even see that because they're too busy running their mouths about what the pros and cons are of each film and each set of trilogies. But that is just my own opinion.
Great, fun series...also not worth anywhere near the amount of ludicrous arguments that are spent over it for any amount of time. :tup
That said, it's not like any of this will deter either faction towards any kind of sanity, so let the weirdly obsessive battle continue! :corn
/gump And that's all I hafta say about that. /gump
This is the best post ever. :metal
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I personally revel in both the amount of blind love for the OT and the unrivaled hate towards the PT. When you get right down to it, both the amount of love and hate is ridiculous. The OT is not the pristine, ingeniously sculpted, brilliantly deep, intricately woven tale that many seem to elate it to and the PT isn't nearly as much of a horribly dry anal raping that the other side stones it for. Star Wars is, and always will be no matter what deluded, addicted, deranged mofo tells you (again, on either end), simply good fun sci/fi. It has some great lore, interesting mythos and some awesome characters with a nice backdrop of a space epic. It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics and is pretty by-the-numbers sci/fi. The utterly asinine, almost immature 'battle' of PT vs. OT (and now vs. NT, New Trilogy) will always and forever be brought up when discussing anything Star Wars related and it's a damn shame because holy fucking hell no one should give that many shits about anyone's opinion, let alone a series that is just full of a good time and nothing more. Star Wars has always been, at its core, about the sense of self, adventure, and the motherfuggin' force. To go beyond that is to tarnish its name and even (rather, especially) the most addicted of fans can't even see that because they're too busy running their mouths about what the pros and cons are of each film and each set of trilogies. But that is just my own opinion.
Great, fun series...also not worth anywhere near the amount of ludicrous arguments that are spent over it for any amount of time. :tup
That said, it's not like any of this will deter either faction towards any kind of sanity, so let the weirdly obsessive battle continue! :corn
/gump And that's all I hafta say about that. /gump
This is the best post ever. :metal
Amen. The amount of elitism in these conversations has always been disappointing.
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OT is the best them!
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So Mrs. P had the great idea to watch the previous Star Wars movies prior to our Christmas Day viewing of The Force Awakens. I grabbed the original trilogy box set, and she overrode me and put in The Phantom Menace. I rolled my eyes, and she said, "Oh, come on. It's not that bad." :lol
When it was over, she looked at me and laughed and said, "You may destroy that DVD. The suck is strong with that one!" :rollin
That's awesome.
Jingle.son and I watched all 6 leading up to TFA. I and II were lol-worthy at some points, and we couldn't help be just pick apart some of the gaping holes. But, not to digress or be 'elite' about it. :P ;)
We watched an unaltered version of the OT, and man that was refreshing - no Jabba in ANH, no excessive CGI additions, the original Emperor. It was grand.
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I personally revel in both the amount of blind love for the OT and the unrivaled hate towards the PT. When you get right down to it, both the amount of love and hate is ridiculous. The OT is not the pristine, ingeniously sculpted, brilliantly deep, intricately woven tale that many seem to elate it to and the PT isn't nearly as much of a horribly dry anal raping that the other side stones it for. Star Wars is, and always will be no matter what deluded, addicted, deranged mofo tells you (again, on either end), simply good fun sci/fi. It has some great lore, interesting mythos and some awesome characters with a nice backdrop of a space epic. It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics and is pretty by-the-numbers sci/fi. The utterly asinine, almost immature 'battle' of PT vs. OT (and now vs. NT, New Trilogy) will always and forever be brought up when discussing anything Star Wars related and it's a damn shame because holy fucking hell no one should give that many shits about anyone's opinion, let alone a series that is just full of a good time and nothing more. Star Wars has always been, at its core, about the sense of self, adventure, and the motherfuggin' force. To go beyond that is to tarnish its name and even (rather, especially) the most addicted of fans can't even see that because they're too busy running their mouths about what the pros and cons are of each film and each set of trilogies. But that is just my own opinion.
Great, fun series...also not worth anywhere near the amount of ludicrous arguments that are spent over it for any amount of time. :tup
That said, it's not like any of this will deter either faction towards any kind of sanity, so let the weirdly obsessive battle continue! :corn
/gump And that's all I hafta say about that. /gump
You really hit the ball out of the park on this one. Well said sir.
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Jay Bauman said it pretty succinctly here:
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You also gotta keep in mind that Episode III was preceded by two of the worst films in human history,
Thanks for reminding me why I tend to avoid talking to people older than myself about Star Wars. This is an absolutely preposterous statement. No one who has seen The Room, Titanic: The Legend Goes On or Birdemic: Shock and Terror could possibly think that Attack of the Clones is anywhere in the league of the worst films in human history. There are films that came out this year that are vastly, VASTLY inferior to The Phantom Menace. Films that came out this week (Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip, anyone?).
Dislike the prequels if you want. You're wrong and you're missing half the story, but dislike them if you want. But when you are making utterly insane statements like they're "two of the worst films in human history"? My God, they obviously are not. They are mediocre at worst. And at the point where you're saying that, it's evident that you aren't looking at the films with anything that resembles an objective perspective. It's just irrational hatred at that point.
My brief period of engagement in this forum's Star Wars threads is about to come to a predictable end, I think.
Dude, get off your high horse. Seriously. Saying things like "you're wrong," "you're missing half the story," and "you are making utterly insane statements" is just textbook ad hominem. You don't need to make it about the person just because you disagree with the statement. In all likelihood, calling episodes I and II some of the worst films in human history was hyperbole and should be understood as such. But even if he truly feels that way, that is no reason to attack the person and stop being civil. If you are going to hold the prequels in such high esteem and debate your position, you need to be aware of the fact that you are in a VERY small minority and are going to have several people vocally disagree with you. You also need to be aware of the fact that many can point to fairly objective criteria for why the OT films are "better" films than the prequels. You accuse anyone who disagrees with you of either being the "wrong age," or looking at the OT films through rose-colored glasses and holding them up as perfect, and then use that straw man as an excuse to go on the attack. The twofold problem with that is, (1) I don't think anyone in this thread (or at least, hardly anyone) is saying the OT films are perfect--in fact, most have openly acknowledged that they are very flawed, but like them anyway for what they are and simply point out that the flaws in the prequels are bigger and more glaring; and (2) even if you are correct, that doesn't give you the right to attack others who disagree with you. Most of the elitism and conflict I see in this argument is coming from you, so you need to either figure out a way to discuss your point of view civilly or excuse yourself from the discussion.
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It's certainly not the end-all of space-epics
I am going to disregard the rest of your post because opinions vary and whatever, but SW, by virtually any measure, most certainly IS the end-all of space-epics, regardless of preference of PT or OT or EU or NT or anything else.
In fact, I would almost argue that the phrase "space-epic" wouldn't even apply to any other film or film series.
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^You know, I originally accepted that statement at face value, but after having had you point that out, I have to agree, Hef. Star Wars really launched (ha!) the genre and made it a huge cultural phenomenon when it wasn't a popular genre at all.
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Dude, get off your high horse. Seriously. Saying things like "you're wrong," "you're missing half the story," and "you are making utterly insane statements" is just textbook ad hominem. You don't need to make it about the person just because you disagree with the statement.
The statement "you're wrong" was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. It was meant to mock the attitude that it is indisputable that the prequels are inferior (and therefore that I am wrong for thinking that they are not). I admit that could have been made far clearly by me, and apologize to Zantera for that.
"You're missing half the story," however, is objectively true, when referring to the story that Lucas intended to tell. It's a six part story, if you neglect three of the parts, you are by definition missing half of the story. That may not be a bad thing in itself, and whether it is a bad thing is open to argument, but it is an objectively true statement.
I was told in the other thread that my statements in defense of the prequels were laughable, which is just the same as telling someone that they are making insane statements. And which, I notice, was not criticized by anyone but me as an uncivil arguing tactic. Neither claim "you are making utterly insane statements" and "you are making laughable arguments" [paraphrased] is ad hominem. I did not say "you are utterly insane," and the person in the other thread did not say "you are a laughable person." Strongly worded language that still attacks the argument is not ad hominem, because ad hominem attacks the person instead of the argument. You could say I (along with the person in the other thread) was being overly polemical and you'd probably be right, but I did not use ad hominem.
Neither of the other two statements are ad hominem either, since one is just objectively true, and the other is shorthand for "you are wrong when you make the argument you are making," which, again, is overly polemical, but not ad hominem.
Nevertheless, I already said that I am done engaging in this type of conversation. I'm only posting now to 1) clarify the intended tone of "you're wrong and you're missing half the story" and 2) defend against the claim that I used ad hominem attacks.
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Dude, get off your high horse. Seriously. Saying things like "you're wrong," "you're missing half the story," and "you are making utterly insane statements" is just textbook ad hominem. You don't need to make it about the person just because you disagree with the statement.
The statement "you're wrong" was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. It was meant to mock the attitude that it is indisputable that the prequels are inferior (and therefore that I am wrong for thinking that they are not). I admit that could have been made far clearly by me, and apologize to Zantera for that.
"You're missing half the story," however, is objectively true, when referring to the story that Lucas intended to tell. It's a six part story, if you neglect three of the parts, you are by definition missing half of the story. That may not be a bad thing in itself, and whether it is a bad thing is open to argument, but it is an objectively true statement.
I was told in the other thread that my statements in defense of the prequels were laughable, which is just the same as telling someone that they are making insane statements. And which, I notice, was not criticized by anyone but me as an uncivil arguing tactic. Neither claim "you are making utterly insane statements" and "you are making laughable arguments" [paraphrased] is ad hominem. I did not say "you are utterly insane," and the person in the other thread did not say "you are a laughable person." Strongly worded language that still attacks the argument is not ad hominem, because ad hominem attacks the person instead of the argument. You could say I (along with the person in the other thread) was being overly polemical and you'd probably be right, but I did not use ad hominem.
Neither of the other two statements are ad hominem either, since one is just objectively true, and the other is shorthand for "you are wrong when you make the argument you are making," which, again, is overly polemical, but not ad hominem.
Nevertheless, I already said that I am done engaging in this type of conversation. I'm only posting now to 1) clarify the intended tone of "you're wrong and you're missing half the story" and 2) defend against the claim that I used ad hominem attacks.
I don't want you to stop engaging in discussion. You raise some great points (as you often do in other threads as well). I just felt like you were pushing TOO hard in this one and crossing the line.
EDIT: And :rollin @ that post by GMD
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"You're missing half the story," however, is objectively true, when referring to the story that Lucas intended to tell. It's a six part story, if you neglect three of the parts, you are by definition missing half of the story. That may not be a bad thing in itself, and whether it is a bad thing is open to argument, but it is an objectively true statement.
To be fair, no one is "missing" half the story. We've all seen the prequels, we all get the point of them, it just didn't succeed in being enjoyable movies for most of us.
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True, in the strictest meaning of the word, y'all aren't "missing" it. But let's use a different example. Let's imagine I watch Lord of the Rings and I think that The Fellowship of the Ring is awful, but I love the other two. I vow that I'm never going to watch Fellowship again, but that I love the other two movies. You would not be wrong to tell me that I'm missing a third of the story. The proper response to that from me would be "well, who cares, I hate most things about that third."
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But I'm not sure that scenario is an accurate comparison because I don't think it really is how you described. In either example, it isn't accurate to tell the "hater" that they are missing part of the story because they aren't "missing" it. They have seen it, and understand that it is part of the story--they just have no desire to revisit it for repeat viewings for whatever reason. In my case, the hypothetical dialog would be more like:
Me: I think the prequels are awful, and I am rarely, if ever, going to watch them again.
You: You are missing part of the story.
Me: No, I saw them and understand the entire story and how they fit in. I just feel that, as movies, they failed in several respects and did not execute as they should have. But I still understand the entire story arc, so there is nothing "missing" from the story whatsoever for me.
That is VERY different from "I saw them and am just going to imagine that they don't exist at all and ignore them." Then, yeah, it would be accurate to say in response, "That's your prerogative, but you are then missing the artist's complete vision of the story."
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I like to ignore a few things about the prequels, and yes. I'll acknowledge that that's going against the "artist's vision" (which I'll also argue has changed a million times over the years and is kind of baffling to follow), but that also let's me enjoy Star Wars in a way that works best for me. And that's all that's important really.
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@ 425... I said that the love story between Anakin and Padme was laughable. That's different than stating that your defense of the prequels is laughable. I expressed my opinion/thought on the execution of certain elements of AOTC and ROTS. There's no need to take a shot at the prequels as a shot at you personally.
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@ 425... There's no need to take a shot at the prequels as a shot at you personally.
Unless your the reason Hayden Christensen forgot how to portray any type of emotion or you personally rendered him incapable of basic acting.....then it's a shot at you.
I'm only teasing....trying to lighten things up a bit. :biggrin:
unless....
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@ 425... I said that the love story between Anakin and Padme was laughable. That's different than stating that your defense of the prequels is laughable. I expressed my opinion/thought on the execution of certain elements of AOTC and ROTS. There's no need to take a shot at the prequels as a shot at you personally.
I thought what he meant was when I said that him praising the prequels as much as he did was "like he was joking".
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Just watched AOTC last night and I really tried to actually watch the whole thing but the cringe was much too strong so I skipped all the Naboo scenes.
It was still pretty bad, but it's definitely better if you just skip those moments (I watched like two seconds of Anakin using the force on the fruit and I almost got sick). Also it seemed to me that half of the content of the movie was created with the idea of selling merchandise in mind.
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Excluding Episodes 1-3 is not missing half the story. Episodes 4-6 were told, and THAT was the story that I grew up with. Literally everything included in Episdoes 1-3 is filler and backstory that is essentially unnecessary, because we already knew the basic gist of it from the crawl in Episode 4, and Obi-Wan's discussions with Luke throughout the OT.
I'm glad that you like them as much as you do, 425. But the protestation of other people's disregard comes off as a little much. Even for us older fans who much prefer the OT, we didn't go into the PT expecting it to suck. We wanted to love new Star Wars as much as we did old Star Wars. But what we got was not in the same vein as what we were originally given, and it certainly was not an improvement over what came before.
This is simply a situation of you liking something that a lot of other people don't like. That's OK, but you don't have to prove to everyone else why they are wrong. You just like it a lot more than we do. That's fine. But we aren't wrong about preferring the OT.
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I thought what he meant was when I said that him praising the prequels as much as he did was "like he was joking".
Yep, everyone, this is what I was referring to. And it was the only thing I was referring to. Nothing that jingle or gmillerdrake said. Just this:
But 425, it's like you're joking with your arguments.
I mean, I'm not mad at BlackInk or anything. I just thought it was a bit abrupt and uncivil of a thing to say, but I was fine with it.
But then I say something similar but slightly less personal in this thread and get chastised for it. Either we were both okay or we both crossed the line. It's really hard to simultaneously argue that what he said is okay while what I said was so far out of line. Mostly I just want people to apply whatever standards for conversation equally.
I'm glad that you like them as much as you do, 425. But the protestation of other people's disregard comes off as a little much. Even for us older fans who much prefer the OT, we didn't go into the PT expecting it to suck. We wanted to love new Star Wars as much as we did old Star Wars. But what we got was not in the same vein as what we were originally given, and it certainly was not an improvement over what came before.
Would you not agree that it will be interesting to see where popular opinion goes as those of us who grew up with the prequels become more of a presence in popular media? Because, totally anecdotally, nobody I know who is my age (college age) regards the prequels with the level of disdain that is shown for them by older people. The general perception among people I know who have seen all the films is that the prequels are good, not quite as good as the original trilogy, but not that far behind, either. I have a friend who shares my view that ROTS is the best. I have a friend who likes ESB the best, but regards TPM and AOTC even more highly than I do. The lowest opinion I have heard from someone my age is that TPM is silly and not great, although it has some very good parts, but that ROTS is nearly at original trilogy levels. Also anecdotally, I have a friend who showed his friend the whole series when this person was around 16, and that person strongly preferred ROTS to all the other films and preferred Anakin's story to Luke's.
This is all anecdotal, but I think it will be very interesting to see how things are borne out as those of us who, for example, were just barely old enough to see Revenge in the theater when it came out, move into being the people who are doing a lot of the writing about these films.
Not to criticize fans of the older trilogy. But my perception of TFA has been very dependent on the age at which I first saw it. I notice this, I'm willing to admit this, and I'm trying to make sure it doesn't cloud my understanding of that movie, which is hard if not impossible. That's my own experience: the age at which I saw it mattered (I was 8 when ROTS came out. I think I first saw all six films when I was 8. I am now 19). Maybe it matters for others, maybe not. But I don't think it's too crazy to suggest that it might.
I don't want you to stop engaging in discussion. You raise some great points (as you often do in other threads as well). I just felt like you were pushing TOO hard in this one and crossing the line.
Thank you for the compliment, but nevertheless, I probably will pull out of this one (notice that despite being a huge Star Wars fan, I believe I did not post in any Star Wars thread here before Friday) fairly soon. I find it really hard to engage with Star Wars fans because every time the prequels are brought up, they get slagged constantly, which I vehemently disagree with, particularly in the case of Revenge of the Sith.
It's like, most of you probably wouldn't participate in that many conversations about Dream Theater if the awfulness of your favorite album, say, SDOIT, was taken as a given and every conversation about Dream Theater somehow became about how awful SDOIT is, and any time you tried to say that SDOIT is actually really good, people had a hard time taking you seriously. Nothing against those people for thinking like they do, but I imagine after a while you would get tired of having your favorite album picked on constantly, so you would probably participate in those conversations much less frequently. That's me and Star Wars conversations. I just get pretty tired of "well everyone knows the prequels are worse than everything that ever happened and were created when George Lucas was literally possessed by Satan himself."
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I get where you are coming from. But let me just suggest something. When you cast any disagreement or expression of dislike, no matter how reasonably articulated or how slight, as along the lines of:
I just get pretty tired of "well everyone knows the prequels are worse than everything that ever happened and were created when George Lucas was literally possessed by Satan himself."
that type of exaggeration and broad brush painting kind of sets you up for failure from the get go.
And not to dismiss the anecdotal evidence from your own experience, but outside of your own circle of acquaintances, there are PLENTY of younger fans who have the same problems with the prequels, and they are all over YouTube and other Internet sources. While there may be some correlation, it isn't simply and "old vs. young" thing.
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Excluding Episodes 1-3 is not missing half the story. Episodes 4-6 were told, and THAT was the story that I grew up with. Literally everything included in Episdoes 1-3 is filler and backstory that is essentially unnecessary, because we already knew the basic gist of it from the crawl in Episode 4, and Obi-Wan's discussions with Luke throughout the OT.
Exactly. The PT was unnecessary for fans to get the entire story of the OT for 16 years or so. The PT was an afterthought to the OT to tell a story that didn't need to be told, and in many fans' eyes was better off not told at all (and isn't even entirely consistent with the OT). The OT is one complete story, the PT is another complete story, that is connected to the previously told story.
I think most people consider ROTS a solid movie (not me), so I don't think it's bandwagon jumping that people think the prequels are bad, and I don't think people are too harsh with the criticism of them. They're not the worst movies ever made, but given the budget and experience behind them, they're definitely well below standard imo.
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:lol It should have had a legit crawl before it trolled with that. I'm pretty sure I've seen one that did the Fresh Prince intro too, as expected.
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That's awesome :lol
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And not to dismiss the anecdotal evidence from your own experience, but outside of your own circle of acquaintances, there are PLENTY of younger fans who have the same problems with the prequels, and they are all over YouTube and other Internet sources. While there may be some correlation, it isn't simply and "old vs. young" thing.
Yep. I'm 19 and grew up with the prequels. I bored me as a kid (except for the lightsaber fights), II was enjoyable at the time but hasn't aged well in the least, and III was awesome when it came out and still pretty good. The problem for me is that even at their best, they're still very flawed. In fact, even III seems very mediocre to me in comparison to TFA and that's coming from someone who really enjoys it.
Some of the stuff I've been seeing on the internet about the prequels over the past couple years has been very strange. A lot of defenders are coming out of the woodwork and a lot of them (not talking about anyone on this forum) seem to come with the attitude that nobody truly hates the prequels, but they let the internet decide for them. I guess I can understand how frustrating it might be to feel like the only one who enjoys something, but I find it really strange that a lot of prequel defenders seem to boil it down to either the haters are bunch of sheeple or they're too blinded by childhood nostalgia/whatever to form an actual opinion. Are the flaws in the prequels that unnoticeable to these people?
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I agree with the above post. I'm 21, and saw the OT relatively late in my life. However, I pretty much grew up in front of a TV playing Phantom Menace. I loved that shit as a kid, but from those days I only remember the pod race and the duel. Watching that movie with "adult" eyes has turned me around completely, 540 degrees.
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While there may be some correlation, it isn't simply and "old vs. young" thing.
Agreed. If that was the case, there won't be any great movies/music/etc anymore, which isn't the case. The very Force Awakens is getting a solid feedback right now and, for another example, the new Mad Max was far more praised than any of the other movies of it's franchise.
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Fantastic short (12:39) video essay on the lots of things related to Episode 4, including technical aspects and political climate, specifically about the Death Star assault. Lots of great info and insight.
https://vimeo.com/148887200
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So, the whole family watched Ep. IV last night. Interestingly, after seeing VII, I think I enjoyed IV more than I ever have.
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So, the whole family watched Ep. IV last night. Interestingly, after seeing VII, I think I enjoyed IV more than I ever have.
I intend to re-watch it soon.
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I'm calling it (though very obviously)
The sequel trilogy is better than the prequels!
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From reading this thread it seems people are more willing to say a movie is objectively better than another, while they tend to frown on people saying the same about music. I support both.
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Just read an article that said Adam Driver turned down the role of Lex Luther in the upcoming Superman v Batman movie instead choosing Kylo Ren and the STAR WARS 'side'. Smart move (no brainer) IMO.....
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This might have been already posted. A friend of mine shared it with me and I found it an interesting perspective on the writing of the prequels.
https://www.gamesradar.com/george-lucas-nearly-wrote-perfect-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/
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I get where you are coming from. But let me just suggest something. When you cast any disagreement or expression of dislike, no matter how reasonably articulated or how slight, as along the lines of:I just get pretty tired of "well everyone knows the prequels are worse than everything that ever happened and were created when George Lucas was literally possessed by Satan himself."
that type of exaggeration and broad brush painting kind of sets you up for failure from the get go.
That really isn't that significant of exaggeration of how some people talk about the prequels. If you took out the part about being possessed by Satan, that would be a pretty accurate summary of how many Star Wars fans view the prequels.
I am not casting slight disagreements that way. I am casting claims that the prequels are utterly terrible movies that way.
And it can be useful, rhetorically, to make that type of exaggeration. Particularly if I quote people saying stuff to the effect that the prequels are among the worst films ever (which is not hard to do, because tons of people say that all the time), and then counter by demonstrating that they are not.
And not to dismiss the anecdotal evidence from your own experience, but outside of your own circle of acquaintances, there are PLENTY of younger fans who have the same problems with the prequels, and they are all over YouTube and other Internet sources. While there may be some correlation, it isn't simply and "old vs. young" thing.
Sure. There are also older fans who like them. But younger fans are much more inclined to like them than older fans.
Are the flaws in the prequels that unnoticeable to these people?
I have actually never seen anyone enumerate the flaws in the prequels besides flaws that anyone, even the most ardent prequel defender, would concede: Flaws like unfunny comedy (Jar Jar) or awkward dialogue (notably between Anakin and Padmé in Attack of the Clones); or attempted critiques that show that the reviewer did not understand a significant portion of the films (for example, reduction of Anakin's turn to the Dark Side to "because he wanted to save Padmé" when there are a number of complicated factors that are laid out in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith).
Other than that, everyone just says "they have weak plot and characterization." And no one ever says how or why these are weak.
I might be more inclined to give more credibility to prequel hate if any of the haters would actually give a concrete and specific description of what is actually wrong with these films. In the other thread, you could see me give an analysis of what I think were the specific strengths of the Attack of the Clones love story. I spoke specifically about things that that plot achieves and does well. If the haters could give a fairly succinct analysis of things that the prequels do poorly, that would add credibility.
It would also add credibility if these weaknesses did not also exist in the likes of A New Hope. Which, I imagine, most of them do.
So my response to this question would be twofold: 1) Are the claimed significant flaws in the prequels that hard to describe for these people? 2) Is it possible that the flaws in the original trilogy are unnoticeable to some people?
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Sometimes bad acting, boring story, crappy dialogue, and Jar Jar Binks is all it takes to ruin a movie.
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I wouldn't say I used to be a prequel defender, but having grown up and being a kid when they were released, I definitely had lower expectations for film and they weren't bad at the time. Even at the release I didn't think they were close to the OT, but still some cool stuff. I think the eye-opening moment for me was when I watched the Plinkett reviews, and that's when I went from "They're OK I guess" to actually realizing how poorly crafted they actually were. And growing up also played a part. When I was a kid, I didn't really notice the cringeworthy lines or awkward acting, and everything was about the lightsaber fights, but when you get older you start to pay more attention to those things.
Opinions are opinions and all, but I would say the Plinkett reviews is a must watch no matter if you already love or dislike the films. Sure, it's just one man giving his thoughts on the prequels, but he really hits the nail on the head with the problems. Whether it's The Phantom Menace not having a protagonist, the fact that the prequel characters are almost impossible to describe due to lack of character, or how they completely gloss over Anakin's training. What makes his reviews so great is that it's not just a "i like this, i like that.. i hate this, i hate that", and he actually brings up the fundamental basics of what makes a movie and points out that the prequels have flaws in those areas. He barely even goes after Jar Jar, and still has enough dirt to cover a 70-120 minute review for each film.
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I have actually never seen anyone enumerate the flaws in the prequels besides flaws that anyone, even the most ardent prequel defender, would concede: Flaws like unfunny comedy (Jar Jar) or awkward dialogue (notably between Anakin and Padmé in Attack of the Clones); or attempted critiques that show that the reviewer did not understand a significant portion of the films (for example, reduction of Anakin's turn to the Dark Side to "because he wanted to save Padmé" when there are a number of complicated factors that are laid out in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith).
Other than that, everyone just says "they have weak plot and characterization." And no one ever says how or why these are weak.
I might be more inclined to give more credibility to prequel hate if any of the haters would actually give a concrete and specific description of what is actually wrong with these films. In the other thread, you could see me give an analysis of what I think were the specific strengths of the Attack of the Clones love story. I spoke specifically about things that that plot achieves and does well. If the haters could give a fairly succinct analysis of things that the prequels do poorly, that would add credibility.
It would also add credibility if these weaknesses did not also exist in the likes of A New Hope. Which, I imagine, most of them do.
So my response to this question would be twofold: 1) Are the claimed significant flaws in the prequels that hard to describe for these people? 2) Is it possible that the flaws in the original trilogy are unnoticeable to some people?
Because you seem to be ignoring the points we make. Never seen anyone explain why? I've seen tons of people explain exactly why they think it's bad.
For example, a lot of people are referensing these Plinkett reviews (which I haven't seen myself), saying that the exact reasons they dislike the movies are covered in detail in those reviews. But you have specifically said that you're not going to watch that. So maybe don't ask for reasons on why people think the movies are bad if you're unwilling to listen.
And super-analyse the plots and love stories and descents to the dark side all you want, it's a movie, if it's not well done, if it doesn't feel like a good movie, it doesn't matter how complex the story is. The acting is wooden, the dialogue is stale and beyond cringe-worthy at times, almost no comedy lands. With those elements all over the movies, it's impossible to make a good movie, even if it's the best story ever.
This might have been already posted. A friend of mine shared it with me and I found it an interesting perspective on the writing of the prequels.
https://www.gamesradar.com/george-lucas-nearly-wrote-perfect-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/
Very interesting. It just makes it even more disappointing how the movies actually turned out.
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Yeah I definitely recommend checking out the Plinkett reviews. They go into detail about exactly what doesn't work and why a lot of things fall flat. It's up on youtube, or the redlettermedia website. No matter what your stance on the prequels are, the 70 minute Phantom Menace review is definitely worth the time, and if you enjoy that one, there's reviews for AotC and RotS as well.
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The Plinkett reviews are really smart and well-done, but part of me wonders if it's really a good thing to nitpick movies with that level of detail. At least half the stuff in his reviews I don't really care about, although he does nail the major stuff.
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This might have been already posted. A friend of mine shared it with me and I found it an interesting perspective on the writing of the prequels.
https://www.gamesradar.com/george-lucas-nearly-wrote-perfect-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/
Wow... that's actually rather brilliant.
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Too bad Lucas couldn't think of any of that.
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This might have been already posted. A friend of mine shared it with me and I found it an interesting perspective on the writing of the prequels.
https://www.gamesradar.com/george-lucas-nearly-wrote-perfect-prequel-trilogy-he-just-didnt-seem-notice/
Hate to do this but could someone please copy paste the text? I can't access this link right now. TIA!
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The Star Wars prequel trilogy is nearly brilliant. It took me 10 years to realise it, but it’s true. You see, the other night, my girlfriend and I drank a bottle of wine and started – as is entirely understandable – ripping into Episodes I to III. We hit the usual, obvious punching bags – Jar Jar, Anakin’s creepy sex-pest characterisation, the pointless set-pieces – but along the way, we noticed something big. All of the plot points required to make the prequels tell a sensible, meaningful, satisfying and affecting story are actually already in there, either explicitly on-screen or strongly alluded to. But for some reason, George Lucas doesn’t seem to notice that he’s written them, and ignores the lot.
Stick with me on this one. I haven’t gone mad, I promise. It all starts with the fundamentals of Star Wars lore.
You see Star Wars has always been about binary, black-and-white morality. In the Original Trilogy, that works just fine. The good guys are plucky underdogs, and the bad guys are a fascist galactic empire who think nothing of blowing up a populated planet for shits and giggles. In the wider, more complicated world of the pre-Empire days though, things are, and should be, more nuanced.
While they might be merry old samurai hippies in the Original Trilogy, the organised, prolific, altogether more militarised Jedi of the prequel period are a hardcore conservative faction, incredibly rigid in their doctrine, code and methods. They are ubiquitous, unchallenged, and if anything, slightly too powerful. They have restrictions on sexuality, a strict religious code, make free use of mind control for ‘the greater good’, and enforce stoicism to the point of detachment. They demand utter devotion, are run by an oligarchy, and almost entirely cut themselves off from the outside world. Sound a bit cultish? It is.
The Sith, on the other hand, are staunch libertarians. They accept no oversight or control from the state, practice a self-centred philosophy, and value personal freedom over social responsibility. Both sides are arguably problematic in their own ways, their extremist attitudes to their own philosophies making all elements of their conduct potentially rather dangerous. Suddenly the simple, unambiguous lines between the Light and Dark sides are rather blurred. They’re binary opposites in terms of ostensible alignment, but in practice, neither is entirely good or bad. Wherever it stems from, extremism always tends to boil down the same way. And that really raises questions about ‘balance in the Force’.
George Lucas nearly wrote a perfect prequel trilogy. He just didn't notice
David Houghton, Phoebe Wood-Wheelhouse on December 17, 2015
The Star Wars prequel trilogy is nearly brilliant. It took me 10 years to realise it, but it’s true. You see, the other night, my girlfriend and I drank a bottle of wine and started – as is entirely understandable – ripping into Episodes I to III. We hit the usual, obvious punching bags – Jar Jar, Anakin’s creepy sex-pest characterisation, the pointless set-pieces – but along the way, we noticed something big. All of the plot points required to make the prequels tell a sensible, meaningful, satisfying and affecting story are actually already in there, either explicitly on-screen or strongly alluded to. But for some reason, George Lucas doesn’t seem to notice that he’s written them, and ignores the lot.
Stick with me on this one. I haven’t gone mad, I promise. It all starts with the fundamentals of Star Wars lore.
You see Star Wars has always been about binary, black-and-white morality. In the Original Trilogy, that works just fine. The good guys are plucky underdogs, and the bad guys are a fascist galactic empire who think nothing of blowing up a populated planet for shits and giggles. In the wider, more complicated world of the pre-Empire days though, things are, and should be, more nuanced.
While they might be merry old samurai hippies in the Original Trilogy, the organised, prolific, altogether more militarised Jedi of the prequel period are a hardcore conservative faction, incredibly rigid in their doctrine, code and methods. They are ubiquitous, unchallenged, and if anything, slightly too powerful. They have restrictions on sexuality, a strict religious code, make free use of mind control for ‘the greater good’, and enforce stoicism to the point of detachment. They demand utter devotion, are run by an oligarchy, and almost entirely cut themselves off from the outside world. Sound a bit cultish? It is.
The Sith, on the other hand, are staunch libertarians. They accept no oversight or control from the state, practice a self-centred philosophy, and value personal freedom over social responsibility. Both sides are arguably problematic in their own ways, their extremist attitudes to their own philosophies making all elements of their conduct potentially rather dangerous. Suddenly the simple, unambiguous lines between the Light and Dark sides are rather blurred. They’re binary opposites in terms of ostensible alignment, but in practice, neither is entirely good or bad. Wherever it stems from, extremism always tends to boil down the same way. And that really raises questions about ‘balance in the Force’.
Enter Anakin, prophesised as the Chosen One who will bring that balance. It all falls apart, of course - from the Jedi perspective at least - when he is tempted by the Dark Side. The prophecy was a lie! Or was it? Who knows? It all gets a bit confusing, and the remaining Jedi just run away and hide from the issue for a couple of decades. But how about if Anakin’s shift in polarity is actually the would-be product of balance, but his promise is warped by the biases and failings of factions who don’t really want balance at all?
We hear about balance all the time. It’s portrayed as the Jedi’s key, long-term goal, and the ideal state for all of existence. But even with a respected High Council and countless Knights acting as Galaxy Police, the prospect of just a single Sith/Apprentice combo existing at any given time – “Always two there are” – is far too much to bear. The Jedi version of equilibrium is actually the eradication of the Dark Side. This inherent failing, this self-focused misinterpretation, is the core of what the prequel trilogy should have been about.
With both, deeply flawed sides explicitly battling for control of Anakin’s soul, and the issue of ‘balance’ being front and centre, the stage is clearly set for the young Darth to be not an angry teenager on an inevitable slide to tragedy, but the first moderate Jedi, a thoughtful, questioning young man who can bring actual balance by controversially walking the line between the two factions. The reason he can do this? He can see things no other Jedi can, because he was ‘too old’ at the start of his training.
We’re told this around the time Anakin joins the Jedi, but it’s never properly explained. We’re broadly told that the Jedi only recruit really young, and that Anakin’s ripe old age of nine puts him way over the hill. We hear vague talk that he has ‘too much anger’. We’re told that training him will be impossible. But we’ve already seen Luke successfully trained, at the age of around 17, despite also apparently being “too impatient”, “too angry” and “unfocused”. There must be another explanation.
How’s about indoctrination? After all, it’s a hell of a lot easier to make a recruit accept a dogmatic lifestyle if they start too young to remember anything else. Anakin though, can remember life before his Jedi training. If the films had been brave enough to use him as an audience point-of-view character to explore the nuances and problems with the prequel world, then we would have had a hell of a powerful story set-up. Because good lord, does Anakin see some things.
He sees burgeoning child soldiers, being trained in lightsaber combat, but the scene is played for cuteness rather than moral disturbance. He sees the Jedi regularly control innocent minds for their own ends. He was ‘benevolently’ bullied from his mother’s care – Qui-Gon’s talk with her effectively amounts to ‘He’s a slave, do you want him to remain a slave? Better give him to us. No, I’m not going to rescue you, although I totally could’ – and Anakin must have seen this happen to countless other, Force-sensitive children by Episode II.
George Lucas nearly wrote a perfect prequel trilogy. He just didn't notice
David Houghton, Phoebe Wood-Wheelhouse on December 17, 2015
The Star Wars prequel trilogy is nearly brilliant. It took me 10 years to realise it, but it’s true. You see, the other night, my girlfriend and I drank a bottle of wine and started – as is entirely understandable – ripping into Episodes I to III. We hit the usual, obvious punching bags – Jar Jar, Anakin’s creepy sex-pest characterisation, the pointless set-pieces – but along the way, we noticed something big. All of the plot points required to make the prequels tell a sensible, meaningful, satisfying and affecting story are actually already in there, either explicitly on-screen or strongly alluded to. But for some reason, George Lucas doesn’t seem to notice that he’s written them, and ignores the lot.
Stick with me on this one. I haven’t gone mad, I promise. It all starts with the fundamentals of Star Wars lore.
You see Star Wars has always been about binary, black-and-white morality. In the Original Trilogy, that works just fine. The good guys are plucky underdogs, and the bad guys are a fascist galactic empire who think nothing of blowing up a populated planet for shits and giggles. In the wider, more complicated world of the pre-Empire days though, things are, and should be, more nuanced.
While they might be merry old samurai hippies in the Original Trilogy, the organised, prolific, altogether more militarised Jedi of the prequel period are a hardcore conservative faction, incredibly rigid in their doctrine, code and methods. They are ubiquitous, unchallenged, and if anything, slightly too powerful. They have restrictions on sexuality, a strict religious code, make free use of mind control for ‘the greater good’, and enforce stoicism to the point of detachment. They demand utter devotion, are run by an oligarchy, and almost entirely cut themselves off from the outside world. Sound a bit cultish? It is.
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The Sith, on the other hand, are staunch libertarians. They accept no oversight or control from the state, practice a self-centred philosophy, and value personal freedom over social responsibility. Both sides are arguably problematic in their own ways, their extremist attitudes to their own philosophies making all elements of their conduct potentially rather dangerous. Suddenly the simple, unambiguous lines between the Light and Dark sides are rather blurred. They’re binary opposites in terms of ostensible alignment, but in practice, neither is entirely good or bad. Wherever it stems from, extremism always tends to boil down the same way. And that really raises questions about ‘balance in the Force’.
Enter Anakin, prophesised as the Chosen One who will bring that balance. It all falls apart, of course - from the Jedi perspective at least - when he is tempted by the Dark Side. The prophecy was a lie! Or was it? Who knows? It all gets a bit confusing, and the remaining Jedi just run away and hide from the issue for a couple of decades. But how about if Anakin’s shift in polarity is actually the would-be product of balance, but his promise is warped by the biases and failings of factions who don’t really want balance at all?
We hear about balance all the time. It’s portrayed as the Jedi’s key, long-term goal, and the ideal state for all of existence. But even with a respected High Council and countless Knights acting as Galaxy Police, the prospect of just a single Sith/Apprentice combo existing at any given time – “Always two there are” – is far too much to bear. The Jedi version of equilibrium is actually the eradication of the Dark Side. This inherent failing, this self-focused misinterpretation, is the core of what the prequel trilogy should have been about.
With both, deeply flawed sides explicitly battling for control of Anakin’s soul, and the issue of ‘balance’ being front and centre, the stage is clearly set for the young Darth to be not an angry teenager on an inevitable slide to tragedy, but the first moderate Jedi, a thoughtful, questioning young man who can bring actual balance by controversially walking the line between the two factions. The reason he can do this? He can see things no other Jedi can, because he was ‘too old’ at the start of his training.
We’re told this around the time Anakin joins the Jedi, but it’s never properly explained. We’re broadly told that the Jedi only recruit really young, and that Anakin’s ripe old age of nine puts him way over the hill. We hear vague talk that he has ‘too much anger’. We’re told that training him will be impossible. But we’ve already seen Luke successfully trained, at the age of around 17, despite also apparently being “too impatient”, “too angry” and “unfocused”. There must be another explanation.
How’s about indoctrination? After all, it’s a hell of a lot easier to make a recruit accept a dogmatic lifestyle if they start too young to remember anything else. Anakin though, can remember life before his Jedi training. If the films had been brave enough to use him as an audience point-of-view character to explore the nuances and problems with the prequel world, then we would have had a hell of a powerful story set-up. Because good lord, does Anakin see some things.
He sees burgeoning child soldiers, being trained in lightsaber combat, but the scene is played for cuteness rather than moral disturbance. He sees the Jedi regularly control innocent minds for their own ends. He was ‘benevolently’ bullied from his mother’s care – Qui-Gon’s talk with her effectively amounts to ‘He’s a slave, do you want him to remain a slave? Better give him to us. No, I’m not going to rescue you, although I totally could’ – and Anakin must have seen this happen to countless other, Force-sensitive children by Episode II.
By Episode III, the still-young Anakin has a massive facial scar. He must have been through some serious shit already, and, realistically, should be suffering some level of brutalisation/trauma/depression/PTSD. But rather than addressing any of the above, the movies reduce his would-be legitimate issues with the Jedi to arrogant, teenage sulking.
But what if they didn’t? What if, instead of vague, generic complaints of anger and unfairness, Anakin and the Jedi have considered philosophical friction, stemming from Anakin’s intelligent observation, conscious decision-making? Then Anakin has perfectly sensible reasons to have issue with the Jedi, and thus his actions can be understood and empathised with. And most crucially, he has – as every protagonist should have – real agency.
In the existing prequels he bounces haphazardly from crisis, to emotional tirade, to impulsive response, like an out-of-control drunk, coming across as stupid, thoughtless, and devoid of any control over his own path or actions. That’s not how you create an engaging lead character that the audience can really go on a journey with. But if all of the – existing – groundwork were followed through, it would have created a wonderful mirror to Luke's story, Anakin growing to self-realisation and then clashing with the Jedi, just as his son completes the same journey to battle the Sith. There’s poetry there. It rhymes.
There’s balance.
And there are subtler problems to explore within the Jedi machine, again, largely glossed over, but still there on-screen. Obi-Wan’s youth and inexperience mean that he isn’t ready for Anakin’s training either, eventually letting the master/student relationship erode into friendship. The idea gets occasional lip-service, but Anakin’s lack of a strong guide or guardian should be the back-bone that informs his entire ‘descent’.
And then there’s Yoda. He appears cold and clueless in the prequels, but there’s a way to make that work in the saga’s favour too. The Original Trilogy introduces Yoda as a spiritual, internalised Jedi of the mind, who knows that inner strength, not outward aggression, brings true power. Blend this with the themes of inward-looking Jedi detachment we’re exploring in this remix, and you have both a great case for Yoda’s prequel trilogy ineffectuality, and a perfect philosophical figurehead for the organisation Anakin opposes. And by training Luke – directly contradicting the old Jedi rules in agreeing to do so – Yoda later gains his own arc of redemption-through-moderation, to parallel that of Vader.
With Yoda an absentee landlord, there’s also plenty of space for hard-ass Mace Windu to ascend as the aggressive, dominant, dogmatic force he should have been, a personification of the Jedi hardline spearheading Anakin’s opposition. With these dynamics explored properly, Anakin is a genuine threat to a genuinely worrying dogma. This doesn’t make him a bad guy, but the more set-in-their ways, extreme Jedi of the Council will see him as exactly that.
As for Padme? Imagine that relationship written plausibly. Imagine that Anakin isn’t a generically angry creep, and that Padme is an intelligent, but pragmatic human being, rather than a flighty robot-woman. Rather than repeatedly blowing hot and cold, and arbitrarily throwing out ‘But I’m a senator!’ (like that explains anything), Padme follows her heart, but the weight of Jedi disapproval weighs heavy on the relationship. Until, that is, the Jedi act to end it. Forget the nonsensical contrivance of Anakin’s ‘prophetic’ dream of Padme’s death. With oppressive Jedi disapproval clearly apparent, there’s already a much more sensible and meaningful catalyst for Anakin’s ultimate desertion.
Anakin is not tricked into embracing the Dark Side. He chooses it. Not because he wants to, but because he is forced to, by those who don’t truly want the balanced line of moderation and progress he aspires to. He’s bullied into choosing an extreme, and while the hardline of the Sith is philosophically no better than the hardline of the Jedi, by that same note, it is no worse. Anakin understandably makes a very human decision, and goes for the option that looks to help his real, personal situation. It’s a move we can sympathise with, and rather beautifully, one that parallels philosophically with the Sith’s libertarian ways. Plot, subtext, action and ideology all in sync, informed by – and informing - real character development.
All of this would make Darth Vader stronger, not weaker. It was an impossible notion before the prequels hit, but they actually make it hard to respect him. They turn the biggest, most interesting, most enigmatic bad guy in the galaxy into a sniveling, mopey teenager, blighted by angsty, adolescent grumbles and mistakes.
Get it right though, and Anakin’s agency and desire for change maintain the forthright strength he has in the Original Trilogy. They also make his relationship with Luke more poignant. He's not strictly trying to corrupt his son, but to complete the task of balance he himself wasn't able to achieve in his youth. He's seen Luke not as a potential Sith apprentice, but as a way out from beneath the Emperor's tyranny, and an opportunity to rebuild the Force anew. Luke also represents the chance to regain his family, the loss of which pushed him to his reluctant decision in the first place.
Heck, given his history with the oppressive Jedi, Vader has probably resented the Emperor for a long time, and for very similar reasons – a nice hark back to the idea that one extremism is as bad as another - but only truly manages to break his indoctrination at the end. Because manipulative, abusive relationships are hard to get out of. If all of this had come to pass, we’d have a prequel trilogy that supports and improves the original, rather than sitting separate and contradictory as it currently does.
Damn it, George, you were nearly there…
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Thanks BlackInk, very interesting read indeed. Groundwork definitely felt was there, execution though was out of focus.
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Thanks BlackInk, very interesting read indeed. Groundwork definitely felt was there, execution though was out of focus.
I've been saying that for a long time (although I ultimately went a slightly different direction).
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I read the article as well...and mostly agree with it, but ultimately I liked bosk1's post better (which I'm unable to find at the moment).
[edit] I found it! [/edit]
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=2459.msg2051174#msg2051174
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:rollin
Rich Evans & Mike Stoklasa from Red Letter Media laughing at Star Wars wookie-pedia articles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo
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First SW movie I saw in my life, I really liked TFA. That brought me to watch the original trilogy, boy those are fun movies! Now, seeing that the prequels have not that good of a reputation, should I even bother watching them to your advice?
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Only for comedy value.
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First SW movie I saw in my life, I really liked TFA. That brought me to watch the original trilogy, boy those are fun movies! Now, seeing that the prequels have not that good of a reputation, should I even bother watching them to your advice?
Don't go in expecting brilliance, but I think you should give them a fair go. Rotten Tomatoes has TPM at 56% positive reviews, AotC at 66% and RotS at 79% with the average ratings being 6, 6.7 and 7.3 out of 10 respectively, which aren't exactly the ratings of disasters. Personally, I liked them.
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I hate the first two, but I like the third one. I don't think they should be ignored though. So yeah, watch them, even if it'll only be once.
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First SW movie I saw in my life, I really liked TFA. That brought me to watch the original trilogy, boy those are fun movies! Now, seeing that the prequels have not that good of a reputation, should I even bother watching them to your advice?
No.
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I second that. Thinking back on it they add absolutely zero backstory to anything that goes on in the OT. Even the finale of ROTS was something that almost all moderately knowledgeable Star Wars fans knew about for some time before the movies were even made.
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Only seek them out if you're super eager for more Star Wars content. Just know going in, you're not going to get a satisfying movie experience. Also, if you decide to watch them, it'd probably be better if you're able to separate the movies as works from the actual lore of the universe because the prequels can kind of ruin a few things in Star Wars if you take them as word of God canon for certain people.
(And to catch myself before bosk chimes in, I acknowledge they are canon, but I have no problem being a bit transformative in how I few things either.)
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I view them as Apocryphal.
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You could probably just watch Episode III and not miss much.
Ewen McGregor = Obi Wan.
Hayden WhatsHisName = Darth Vader
Natalie Portman . Mrs. Vader.
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There are some 'anti-cheese' edits of the prequels on youtube that are kind of good. There's even a 'Rise of the Empire' 3 hour film that serves as an edit of the most important stuff that happened in the prequels and mashing it together into a somewhat nice experience (of course, without most of The Phantom Menace, Anakin's love story and 'I don't like sand' confessions).
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First SW movie I saw in my life, I really liked TFA. That brought me to watch the original trilogy, boy those are fun movies! Now, seeing that the prequels have not that good of a reputation, should I even bother watching them to your advice?
Just see them and draw your own conclusions. I personally prefer them over the OT, but that is a very unpopular opinion.
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First SW movie I saw in my life, I really liked TFA. That brought me to watch the original trilogy, boy those are fun movies! Now, seeing that the prequels have not that good of a reputation, should I even bother watching them to your advice?
Just see them and draw your own conclusions. I personally prefer them over the OT, but that is a very unpopular opinion.
I still don't get this
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Indeed. It would be like me saying Into Darkness is better than The Wrath Of Khan.
As much as I like Into Darkness - that's just not true on any level.
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I'm not sure bringing up this argument again is going to get us anywhere except in a state of angered frustration...
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Some people prefer the prequels to the original trilogy.
Let's just accept that. Take a moment and move on... :P
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(https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes007.gif) Meh.
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Some people prefer the prequels to the original trilogy.
No. No! That's not true! That's impossible!
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Some people prefer the prequels to the original trilogy.
No. No! That's not true! That's impossible!
serch ur feels u no it 2 b tr00 :neverusethis:
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TFA was so much better than I thought it would be. It might be my second-favorite Star Wars movie, and it's at least my third-favorite. It's so much better than ROTJ.
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Some people prefer the prequels to the original trilogy.
No. No! That's not true! That's umpossible!
I read this as Ralphie Wiggum. :lol
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I need to see the original 3 again. They all blur together in my mind. Need to be reminded why Empire is so good and Jedi is not that great.
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Some people prefer the prequels to the original trilogy.
No. No! That's not true! That's umpossible!
I read this as Ralphie Wiggum. :lol
I like Siths now :)
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I need to see the original 3 again. They all blur together in my mind. Need to be reminded why Empire is so good and Jedi is not that great.
Mainly because Ewoks. I think had the battle of Endor not take a bit of a turn for the silly, many more people would hold Jedi up on equal par with Empire.
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Mainly because Ewoks. I think had the battle of Endor not take a bit of a turn for the silly, many more people would hold Jedi up on equal par with Empire.
pretty much that. the 'silly' aspect that Bosk1 refers to is what keeps Jedi from attaining Empire status in my book.....
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Completely agree.
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If Disney do indeed release original theatrical cuts on Blu Ray - i'll probably get them.
But they need to be remastered and widescreen if at all possible.
EDIT : Disney *must* know that they'll make a FORTUNE if they release the original theatrical versions but cleaned up etc. A FORTUNE. All the Special Editions will go immediately on eBay :lol
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If they have the theatrical versions, and if there is nothing in the contract about what they can do with them, I would be shocked if they do not get re-released at some point in the near future.
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I heard that they can do what they want with Empire & Jedi but Fox owns the rights to A New Hope.
I'm sure Disney can afford to buy them with the money they've made from TFA.
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I have been waiting my whole life for a version that is the original and is widescreen and 5.1.
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I'd gladly get those and TFA onwards.
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I need to see the original 3 again. They all blur together in my mind. Need to be reminded why Empire is so good and Jedi is not that great.
Mainly because Ewoks. I think had the battle of Endor not take a bit of a turn for the silly, many more people would hold Jedi up on equal par with Empire.
That's it exactly. Ewoks bring it down.
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The ewoks is such a small part of 6 that it doesn't really bother me that much, but it's not as good as Empire, that's for sure. Still, the end lightsaber duel between Luke and Vader is my favorite in the franchise and that finale more than enough makes up for weaker moments.
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I've never understood the Ewok hate, actually. They're funny and silly, but in true sci-fi fashion, they have their own society and culture, and they organize to help fight the bad guys. They brought some levity to things.
I have been waiting my whole life for a version that is the original and is widescreen and 5.1.
5.1 would be cool, but if you want a presentation completely true to the original theatrical version, it would be Dolby Stereo. There was no 5.1 at the time. They'd have to synthesize it, or remaster it from existing elements (if the multitracks even still exist -- I don't know how it works with movies).
My system has several modes, including 7.1/5.1, "Enhanced Surround" (synthesized surround from a stereo soundtrack), and "Multi-Stereo". "Multi-Stereo" assigns all Left speakers (front, rear, surround) to the Left channel and all Right speakers (front, rear, surround) to the Right channel, while sending a combined mono to the Center and Subwoofer. Regular FM radio, iPod, and vinyl all sound pretty great this way, and this is also the setting I use for older movies with 2.0 (stereo) soundtracks.
People would whine about buying Blu-rays with "only 2.0" soundtracks, but even if they cook up 5.1 soundtracks for them, they should at least offer 2.0 as an option. I'm pretty sure that that was the original presentation.
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I've never understood the Ewok hate, actually. They're funny and silly, but in true sci-fi fashion, they have their own society and culture, and they organize to help fight the bad guys. They brought some levity to things.
I'm not sure that it is "hate"--at least, not from me. But the fact that the Battle of Endor did take on a silly, lighthearted tone that made it less serious, and the fact that the Ewoks were a big part of the reason why (but not the only reason--Chewbacca Tarzan yell, I'm looking at you!), takes it down a notch for me. Not enough to ruin the film by any stretch, but definitely enough to put it below Empire instead of at the same level. If you wanna call that "hate," I think you are overstating the point.
EDIT: Same thing with what was added to Jabba's palace. It went from "Jabba is gangsta and is running things, and like any boss, he can have in-house entertainment nonstop" to "let's do a big musical number, Star Wars style!," which I don't think ANYBODY outside of Lucas has ever felt worked well.
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Orbert, You'd think they could still make a 5.1 like they do with older albums. Look at what Steven Wilson did with Yes Fragile. I hope they could release that at some point.
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You foolish ingrates underestimate the Ewoks.
You will pay for this. Ewoks are the inheritors of the omniverse.
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They also double as a rag to wax my car.
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Little do you know this is all apart of the plan to get King to spread Ewok semen all over his car, attracting our alpha females. YOUR HEAD WILL SOON BE BITTEN OFF AFTER COPIOUS FORNICATION OF INTENSE PLEASURE.
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Their trouble, like Tribbles.
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I actually loved the Ewoks, but I think the performance out of all of three main actors, with the possible exception of Carrie Fisher, was just insincere. I think it was poorly directed, and compared to The Empire Strikes Back, it's night and day.
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Their trouble, like Tribbles.
You're a tribble...
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I actually loved the Ewoks, but I think the performance out of all of three main actors, with the possible exception of Carrie Fisher, was just insincere. I think it was poorly directed, and compared to The Empire Strikes Back, it's night and day.
rumor has it there was a severe case of fleas on the set of Jedi due to rampant unprotected sex between the Ewoks....it even forced Hamill to shave his head at one point....he had a sweet spot for the Calico mother.....
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Gman knows what I'm talking about.
No one can resist dat Ewok ass.
NO ONE.
Another rumor says that the only thing in the universe that the force cannot work on...is Ewok fever.
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I've never understood the Ewok hate, actually. They're funny and silly, but in true sci-fi fashion, they have their own society and culture, and they organize to help fight the bad guys. They brought some levity to things.
I'm not sure that it is "hate"--at least, not from me. But the fact that the Battle of Endor did take on a silly, lighthearted tone that made it less serious, and the fact that the Ewoks were a big part of the reason why (but not the only reason--Chewbacca Tarzan yell, I'm looking at you!), takes it down a notch for me. Not enough to ruin the film by any stretch, but definitely enough to put it below Empire instead of at the same level. If you wanna call that "hate," I think you are overstating the point.
EDIT: Same thing with what was added to Jabba's palace. It went from "Jabba is gangsta and is running things, and like any boss, he can have in-house entertainment nonstop" to "let's do a big musical number, Star Wars style!," which I don't think ANYBODY outside of Lucas has ever felt worked well.
It's like you are thinking my thoughts.
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Well, dear, that is common when you are in a relationship this long.
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I see how it is. One second of spotlight on the Ewoks and it's back to you two and your BEAUTIFUL relationship. It's always like this. Bullshit.
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:tiojorge:
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:lol
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OH SNAP! !! :lol
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:tiojorge: :tiojorge: :tiojorge:
:tiojorge: :dangerwillrobinson: :tiojorge:
:tiojorge: :tiojorge: :tiojorge:
Trapped Inside This Jorge-o-varium !!!
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When I re-watched the original trilogy a couple of months back, I actually found it kind of jarring how radical the shift in tone was from Empire to Jedi. Empire is this dark, gut punch of a film, and then like five minutes into Jedi there's a pig hippo and a dude who looks like Majin Buu.
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To be honest I think the new trilogy will follow the original fairly close tone-wise. Ep 8 will be the dark one where shit gets real, Ep 9 will be the triumphant one.
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To be honest I think the new trilogy will follow the original fairly close tone-wise. Ep 8 will be the dark one where shit gets real, Ep 9 will be the triumphant one.
How could it not?
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Pretty standard 3 act story arc.
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You know how the middle in a Trilogy is "usually" the weakest ?
Well if you consider SW as a trilogy of trilogies... :P
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:tiojorge: :tiojorge: :tiojorge:
:tiojorge: :dangerwillrobinson: :tiojorge:
:tiojorge: :tiojorge: :tiojorge:
Trapped Inside This Jorge-o-varium !!!
:lol Truly, a nightmare to behold.
Pretty standard 3 act story arc.
And so much this-ness. On one hand, yes...there absolutely are a good couple handful of similarities to the OT. On the other...you're trying to hard, people. Lord. If you go that route, you might as well consider the fact that nothing is original anymore and *nearly* every idea has in some shape, form, or momentary tinge of neurons firing has been thought of before and therefore the OT is not original and it all sucks and it's all a cop-out. No fun. They're sucking the fun out of it all. There's a line, sure. I don't think TFA has crossed it. If it was coat-tailing off of the OT, it'd be apparent even to the people who aren't obsessed with making that connection.
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I've never understood the Ewok hate, actually. They're funny and silly, but in true sci-fi fashion, they have their own society and culture, and they organize to help fight the bad guys. They brought some levity to things.
I'm not sure that it is "hate"--at least, not from me. But the fact that the Battle of Endor did take on a silly, lighthearted tone that made it less serious, and the fact that the Ewoks were a big part of the reason why (but not the only reason--Chewbacca Tarzan yell, I'm looking at you!), takes it down a notch for me. Not enough to ruin the film by any stretch, but definitely enough to put it below Empire instead of at the same level. If you wanna call that "hate," I think you are overstating the point.
EDIT: Same thing with what was added to Jabba's palace. It went from "Jabba is gangsta and is running things, and like any boss, he can have in-house entertainment nonstop" to "let's do a big musical number, Star Wars style!," which I don't think ANYBODY outside of Lucas has ever felt worked well.
Okay fine, it's not true hatred. But time and time again, the Ewoks are pointed out as what brings the movie down. Some people actually do say that the movie is ruined because of them and that whole subplot, and some are more accomodating. Some think they're kinda cool and/or cute but stall the story and thus the movie as a whole. Some think the whole thing is stupid.
Rather than say all that, I used the term "Ewok hate". For once, I tried to be succinct, and look what happened.
Orbert, You'd think they could still make a 5.1 like they do with older albums. Look at what Steven Wilson did with Yes Fragile. I hope they could release that at some point.
Steven is able to craft 5.1 versions of albums because the original multitrack masters still exist, and he can pan any channel to any location. That's why I was saying I don't know how it works with movies. If they went into the vaults, would the original multitrack masters of the soundtracks still exist? I suspect not, because I don't think I've ever seen a film originally released with a 2.0 soundtrack released in 5.1. I've seen (and heard) 5.1 synthesized out of 2.0 via software, but it's usually pretty bad. I always figured that once the soundtrack is finished and married to the film, there's no real reason to keep the masters around.
It may be possible but prohibitively complex and/or expensive, but as far as I know, it's never been done.
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One could only hope.
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Perhaps it will be...a new hope.
(https://theotaku2anime.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/awesome_display.png)
...Oh jesus fucking christ, I'm turning into Dave. SOMEONE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! :heart :P
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:neverusethis:
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I've never understood the Ewok hate, actually. They're funny and silly, but in true sci-fi fashion, they have their own society and culture, and they organize to help fight the bad guys. They brought some levity to things.
I'm with you. I get the whole "small cute things taking down AT-ST's" thing, but to me that's a pretty small thing. :dunno:
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I don't mind the Ewoks. I actually think they are kind of cool. But when things starts to border on silly, that's when it goes just slightly too far. While I believe an integral part of "Star Wars" is the levity that raises its head every once in a while, that felt slightly heavy handed to me.
Of course there's heavy handed and then there's atomic bomb level oh-my-god-what-is-this-jar-jar-kill-it-with-fire that showed up in the next movie.
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what 's the story behind the creating a light saber? I've read that the more refined the technique of constructing the saber the 'better' or more stable it is? Would that explain why Kylo Ren's saber appears to be so 'rough around the edges', especially when it's compared side by side to Anakin/Like's old saber in the battle at the end. Anakin/Lukes saber is very clean edge and quiet whereas Ren's is very rough and noisy.
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Jar Jar makes the Ewok's look like...fuckin...SHAFT !!!
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what 's the story behind the creating a light saber? I've read that the more refined the technique of constructing the saber the 'better' or more stable it is? Would that explain why Kylo Ren's saber appears to be so 'rough around the edges', especially when it's compared side by side to Anakin/Like's old saber in the battle at the end. Anakin/Lukes saber is very clean edge and quiet whereas Ren's is very rough and noisy.
I have read that Kylo's saber is rough because he made it himself, so I believe you would be correct.
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Also Kylo's saber is rough and unfinished as he is also rough and unfinished.
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Like sand, etc.
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They should have left in the shot from the trailer where he turns on the saber with the side bits. That was one of the most talked about shots, and then they cut it!
Like sand, etc.
Don't even. :lol
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Pretty cool
https://www.facebook.com/starwarsmovies/videos/526141757567218/
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I think they'll add a flashback scene in Ep.8 where we get to see Kylo Ren construct his lightsaber with the dialogue mirroring Anakin's from AotC: "I hate light, it's coarse, rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere"
It's like poetry
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Except he won't sound like he's whining about how his first period hurts.
SUCH a great line utterly marred by the exposition.
*Sigh* Spoken like a true pantywaist, Hayden. *Slowest clap ever*
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Just when I think humanity cannot let me down or surprise me any more than it already has...
Petition to bring George Lucas back. (https://www.change.org/p/disney-george-lucas-back-to-the-star-wars-movies)
U-UMMMMMMMMMM
UUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMM.
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
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My first thought at the idea of George Lucas making another star wars
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That was my first reaction as well. But the petition appears to be to just have him come back as director. Not writer, producer, or anything else. Of course he would have a huge effect on the movie as director, so that would probably be "bad enough", but there's something of a symmetry in having him come back and direct the last one. He directed the first one, but didn't write the screenplay for that one, either.
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Lucas proved on the PT that he's not a very good director any more. With all due respect to him for creating Star Wars, it's best if he's nowhere near the new movies.
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Yeah, I guess I agree. But my hope is that he's learned something from the PT. He has to know that the majority of the public now considers them inferior to the OT, and place the blame squarely on him. I think that's why he agreed to let it go, let someone else take the reins. Maybe he'd actually listen to some of the people who tell him "George, no, we really don't want..." and "What if we...?" The thing I hear most is that he apparently had full control and no checks and balances.
Oh well, it's a nice thought.
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I think even since the PT, he's proven that he cares more about his own vision than about satisfying the fans. He either has no awareness at all, or doesn't give a shit.
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I think even since the PT, he's proven that he cares more about his own vision than about satisfying the fans. He either has no awareness at all, or doesn't give a shit.
This, it's evident in practically every comment or interview he has given in the last 20 years, including things he has said about the new film.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
Kylo Ren in Undercover Boss from Saturday Night Live
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:lol
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Episode VIII pushed back six months...
https://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/01/20/star-wars-episode-viii-delayed/
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While the extra wait isn't fun, I'm glad they've pushed it back. There wasn't all that much time between TFA and Ep VIII's originally scheduled release date, and I read a few days ago about the writing changes, so this will help ensure they nail it.
There's been a lot of important feedback from TFA and this will give them time to take that more into consideration, and expectations will be higher for a strong original movie.
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TFA passes 100m in China. It'll be intradasted to see what the global total will be on Monday.
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While the extra wait isn't fun, I'm glad they've pushed it back. There wasn't all that much time between TFA and Ep VIII's originally scheduled release date, and I read a few days ago about the writing changes, so this will help ensure they nail it.
There's been a lot of important feedback from TFA and this will give them time to take that more into consideration, and expectations will be higher for a strong original movie.
I'm glad that they've pushed it back as well. Take your time and get it right. Hell, I'd be fine if the films were released 3 years apart like in years past.
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I'm fine with the wait as well. The worst part of waiting is the last few weeks anyways, but that is the whether it's been one year or three.
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Plus we have Star Trek Beyond to fill the gap :neverusethis:
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While the extra wait isn't fun, I'm glad they've pushed it back. There wasn't all that much time between TFA and Ep VIII's originally scheduled release date, and I read a few days ago about the writing changes, so this will help ensure they nail it.
There's been a lot of important feedback from TFA and this will give them time to take that more into consideration, and expectations will be higher for a strong original movie.
Pretty much this. The way time is passing by in my life right now this will be out essentially tomorrow.......
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I've always been a fan of the original trilogy, but after watching the Force Awakens, my interest has been rejuvenated big time in the entire franchise. I re- bought all the movies and have basically been obsessed. Awesome stuff!!
Return of the Jedi was the first movie I saw in a Theater
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It might make $2bn in a couple of weeks but it really has slowed down quite dramatically.
I expect Episode 8 and Rogue One to do similar. Maybe not $2bn each but start strong then dramatically tail off.
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This is how it looks for all movies though, every week being a drop off. Avatar really is the one exception to the rule, but SW7 really isn't an anomaly or anything, it faces the same struggles as other films. A guy at work saw it this weekend and complained about the theater being half empty on his screening, yet it has been out for what, 5-6 weeks?
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Just watched it for the second time and I can't get over how perfectly cast Rey is. Daisy Ridley does a fantastic job protraying her. As a viewer, somehow she manages to instantly endear you to her.
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Aw hell yeah. :lol :millahhhh
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So yeah, everyone knows that there are at least a few groups out there trying to restore the original Star Wars (not A New Hope, not Episode IV, just plain Star Wars) against George Lucas' will, but I didn't realize that one group finished it, and they were working from an original 35mm print (presumably "acquired" from a movie theater or perhaps studio vault). But apparently it's done and looks pretty good.
Star Wars fans release restored 35 mm print of George Lucas' original film (https://www.polygon.com/2016/2/17/11039918/star-wars-restored-35-mm?ref=yfp)
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I'm not sure if this is the same one I heard about a while back, although I think the one I'm thinking of was pieced together from the special editions, and random film sources of specific sections.
I'd be curious to see this restoration, although it looks like it's still not up to what Disney/Lucasfilm could release if they chose to. Still, much better than what we've been stuck with if you wanted to see the original unaltered film.
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I've said this before but Disney must know that if they release the original theatrical trilogy restored on Blu Ray - they'll sell by the shitload.
I'm sure they can afford to buy the rights from FOX for Episode 4.
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I'm actually not sure how much money it would produce. I would imagine the market would be substantially lower than the general SW fanbase.
The diehards would LOVE to have it (including me), but most of the rest would be like "WTF? They are releasing it again? Why should I buy it again?" And then you tell them and they just blink at you.
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In many other contexts, I would agree with you. But in this case, I think this is different and they would make a pretty significant amount of money from a re-release of the originals because (1) the Star Wars ban base is sufficiently huge, and (2) the percentage of the fan base that knows at least enough to know that the current edition is sufficiently different from the original edition is fairly significant and not a minority. I am not basing that off of anything other than anecdotal evidence, so I could very well be wrong. But I am fairly confident in that assessment.
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I'd be curious to see this restoration
It's only real purpose is posterity. They did a great job on restoration, but it is hardly pristine looking. The Despecialized version you mentioned has better repeat viewing value.
Both are worth having because the 35mm transfer puts your mind at ease that it is 100% legit original. But, in reality, there are good edits and bad edits throughout the years.
One thing for sure, even the SFX of the original release are amazing when you compare it to movies of the same time frame. Nothing like watching satellite TV, watching a late 70s to mid 80s movie, clicking the info button and realizing the movie came out after Return of the Jedi, but doesn't even look as good as 1977s A New Hope.
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Star Wars unaltered original trilogy release ad campaign.
Greedo shoots first.
Vader doesn't yell Noooooooooooo!!!!
Most would buy it for those two reasons alone.
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I was born in the 60's and grew up in the 70's. I was around during the original Star Wars and never bought into the hype, never saw them in the theaters. So I don't consider myself a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But I would buy the original trilogy on Blu-ray or even DVD if they were released unaltered, just because I think it would be cool as hell to have them, and yes, I would watch them all at least once or twice because I like the movies. I don't go apeshit over them, but they're good movies. I would have to think that there are many, many people my age in a similar situation and mindset.
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I was born in the 60's and grew up in the 70's. I was around during the original Star Wars and never bought into the hype, never saw them in the theaters. So I don't consider myself a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But I would buy the original trilogy on Blu-ray or even DVD if they were released unaltered, just because I think it would be cool as hell to have them, and yes, I would watch them all at least once or twice because I like the movies. I don't go apeshit over them, but they're good movies. I would have to think that there are many, many people my age in a similar situation and mindset.
Other than the bolded part, this is me exactly!
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I was a junior high rebel. If it was mainstream, it wasn't cool. Jaws, Star Wars, all the early "blockbuster" movies. They may well have been very entertaining, but I wasn't going to fight a crowd to experience something just because everyone else was.
Eventually, they came to home video and/or cable TV, and I checked them out. I like Star Wars. Jaws is amusing, but kinda crap.
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I was a junior high rebel. If it was mainstream, it wasn't cool. Jaws, Star Wars, all the early "blockbuster" movies.
I was still young enough that a) my parents more or less decided which movies I saw in the theaters and b) was oblivious to what was and wasn't a blockbuster. So I wasn't influenced by the herd or the need to rebel for Star Wars or Jaws.
I wasn't going to fight a crowd to experience something just because everyone else was.
Don't recall the crowds for Jaws or Star Wars. And if I got tired, I could more or less become Yoda to my parent's Luke.
Now Empire and Jedi. That was big line day. And I was still young enough that the line was part of the event. Discussing the theories with my young friends. Maybe Vader was lying to Luke. Remember, he told that baboon guy "he will join us or die". Did you catch that? (What passed as deep thought as a kid).
Jaws was cool, but what if he went up against Jeff Bridges' King Kong?
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I'd be curious to see this restoration
It's only real purpose is posterity. They did a great job on restoration, but it is hardly pristine looking. The Despecialized version you mentioned has better repeat viewing value.
I agree, as I said it's got nothing on what Disney/Lucasfilm could do if they chose to. I'm not a Star Wars fanboy or a purist of any kind, I just don't like any of the additional scenes, and edits that change the scene itself, or the silly new establishing shots with CG monsters etc.
But I have no problem with fixing up some VFX issues, or adding a new sky matte painting. It's just an issue of where do you draw the line? Some people are ok with the current special editions, some people only want the original theatrical versions, and many people fall somewhere in between.
For that reason alone, I think the best solution is just to give people the original theatrical versions, and then Disney can release whatever special edition they want too. At least that way the fans have all the tools they need if they care enough to go crazy and make their own definitive version of the movie they love.
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Is anyone else watching Rebels? Still loving the show and I'm also finally watching Clone Wars. Almost half way through season 3 and I'm loving all of the connections between the two shows. Honestly, The Clone Wars is the best thing that could have happened to the prequels. It just adds so much more depth to the characters and stories. One day once my kids are older I'm going to a massive Star Wars Marathon of:
Episode I
Episode II
The Clone Wars
Episode III
Rebels
Rogue One
Episode IV
Episode V
Episode VI
Episode VII
Episode VIII
Episode IX
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Yeah, TCW are awesome and so is Rebels. I've finished watching TCW but I have to catch up on Rebels.
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Star Wars unaltered original trilogy release ad campaign.
Greedo shoots first.
Vader doesn't yell Noooooooooooo!!!!
Most would buy it for those two reasons alone.
I think you meant Greedo doesn't shoot at all. :lol
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I completely agree whenever anyone complains about people who " blah de blah from X film was explained in an EU novel or comic book . . "
If it's not on the screen it didn't happen.
Casual movie goers like myself don't care about canon or SW outside of the 7 movies .
If such-and-such plot hole is "explained" in an EU novel or comic book - put it on screen.
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If it's not on the screen it didn't happen.
Agreed, to a certain extent.
However, Lucasfilm/Disney have made it fairly clear that going forward, everything they produce is canon, unless otherwise noted. So any new novels (even the YA novels), comics, animated shows, whatever, are all canon. But anything really important will be in the films.
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Yeah also - anything in the prequels that is explained via a novel I don't care about.
A plot hole is a plot hole if you don't explain it in the film.
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True. A plot hole on film cannot be rescued by another medium.
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The term plot hole is thrown around too loosely. See The Force Awakens and Prequel plot hole lists.
Saying that the TFA trench run lacked drama is not a plot hole. Poor writing possibly, but not a plot hole.
Pointing out something happened by a series of coincidences is not a plot hole. It's a movie. We are only going to see the parts that matter. So it may appear everything went right, but why would they turn a 2 hour movie into a 10 hour movie to show you all the incidents that ultimately led to nothing? Heck, we see one of those and people go
(https://www.scaryforkids.com/pics/berzerk.jpg)
The thing about Star Wars movies is that they always cover only a few days. So you are going to have to fill in what happened between with a title crawl, dialogue (and then complain about too much talking, not enough action) or a flashback (which can become a cheap device quickly). And it has to be minimized greatly or the movie is just pure exposition.
And then when things do get explained with more detail, people will complain it didn't need to be explained any more than the few original dialogue lines.
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Intruder alert!
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It can be a tough balancing act between giving enough detail and boring the audience with too much. I like a certain amount of letting the audience connect the dots. That tells me that the director is giving the audience some credit. But some people need everything spelled out for them. Why is that person doing that? Because he said he was going to "do something about it" and this is his solution. Come on, it's not that hard. But then, some people are morons.
Anyway, letting the audience connect the dots isn't a plot hole. Presenting something which comes out of nowhere with no explanation at all is a plot hole. How is that person even there? Last we knew, they were in a South American prison. "Well, in the book, they explain how..." Fuck that. That's a plot hole. It's not "connecting the dots" so somehow come to the conclusion that they escaped from a South American prison with the help of a guard who was bribed with the promise of 1000 U.S. dollars and sex with a relative to be named later. You at least have to at least give us something.
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People throw around the "plot hole" word way too easily these days. Sometimes there are plot holes, but a lot of things that people call plot holes are just things that aren't explained, and doesn't need to be explained either. For example, in Attack of the Clones towards the end, Natalie Portman runs out on that platform and fires to the ship with Dooku and then says "we got to get to that hangar", without having any information about the destination of the ship (which is indeed a hangar). That's what I would call a plot hole. But then some people mention The Dark Knight Rises and says that it's a plot hole that Batman manages to return to Gotham after being deported by Bane. I wouldn't call that a plot hole. Batman is Batman, if he wants to get back to Gotham, he will get back to Gotham, they just didn't show us when he did it. So I wouldn't call that a plot hole.
To me the difference is that a plot hole is something you can't explain, whereas something like the TDKR example is something you can explain, you just didn't get to see it happen.
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Any general thoughts on some main themes of where 8 an 9 (and even 10-12) could be going?
Both the Empire and First Order are more or less based off the Nazis. The Emperor's rise was cool in that he didn't just try to fight his way to the top spot (like Saddam or other military dictators). It was closer to Hitler, with the twist of the Allies being a puppet threat to unify against.
Hopefully it isn't just redeeming Ren and defeating the First Order. They've already set up some nice complexities with the Republic and the Resistance. Leia is essentially the war hawk.
Possibility 1. Resistance="The West". First Order=Germany. What if we had some more players like a Russia that the Resistance teams up with to defeat F.O. Germany, only to enter a whole new confrontation with the Russia character for Ep. 10-12
2. Syria-ISIS. Perhaps the Third Reich F.O. allies with a "Middle East". They are defeated, but the Middle East is now in a slow boil ready to go off with different factions. In Ep. 10-12, we at first think the Gaddafis and Assads are the villains, only to have ISIS quickly add a new dimension. Now we don't just have 2 or 3 major entities, but 4+.
That's expanding the playing field. You could also go inward.
3. We find out Rey wasn't a pupil of Luke's, but of Ren's or Snoke's. She ends up joining Ren/Snoke or teaming up with one to kill the other to form the new villain base.
4. Leia becomes paranoid and the Resistance isn't now the good in good v. evil, but the lesser of two evils.
5. Is the Skywalker bloodline the galaxy's savior or bane?
Those are just a few very general "create an ending first and build the story around it" possibilities. Anybody else want to come up with some general directions that aren't a straight repeat of Star Wars 4 to 6? Perhaps from people that actually consider themselves authors here (paid, aspiring or hobbyist).
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But then some people mention The Dark Knight Rises and says that it's a plot hole that Batman manages to return to Gotham after being deported by Bane.
You mean people that are deported seem to find a way back? This has never once happened in the history of reality.
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Is This the Star Wars: Episode 8 Plot? (https://moviepilot.com/posts/3751013)
Answer: No possible way.
This sounds like the Star Wars plots I'd come up with at 6yo playing with my Kenner Star Wars toys.
(https://futureofstarwars.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/poster-completevintagecollection.jpg)
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I don't think it's necessarily that far off. It will probably be different, but I can see many of those plot points turn out correct in the actual film.
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The working title for Episode VIII is Space Bear.
I hope they keep that for the actual title. It will be the best SW film title ever.
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I can hear the ultra annoying "Honest Trailers" voice now...
" Space Bear - a title so stupid..."
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The working title for Episode VIII is Space Bear.
I hope they keep that for the actual title. It will be the best SW film title ever.
That would be amazing. Just imagine the opening crawl.
LUKE SKYWALKER HAS BEEN LOCATED.
KYLO REN HAS BEGUN REBUILDING IN
THE WAKE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF
THE STARKILLER BASE OH GOD IS THAT
A GIANT FUCKING SPACE BEAR?!?!!
SERIOUSLY GUYS, GET THE HELL OUT
OF HERE! JAKKU ISN'T LOOKING SO
BAD NOW, IS IT, REY? I BET YOU
NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE
SPACE BEARS MAULING YOUR PLANET
TO DEATH IN ONE SWOOP OF THEIR
GIANT SPACE PAWS.
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^You actually make a pretty compelling case.
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" :angry: I just know The Force Awakens won't win best picture oscar "
:p Um it's not nominated for it.
" :angry: why not ? Star Wars should win everything "
:lol k calm down
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Star Wars could be looking at its first character/plot related Oscar if the Poe/Finn relationship rumors turn out to be true. Of course, this means Finn is either bi or was considering Rey as a beard.
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My god I hope those rumors are not true. I think it's pretty clear that any romance will come from Finn and Rey. I think Finn will turn into the new Han of this trilogy but actually get killed off in the episode 9.
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Wait, Poe and FINN? Where the hell did that rumor come from? Sounds like absolute BS to me, like most rumors. The novelization would indicate that Rey/Poe is the likely couple in future movies.
But Poe/Finn? Not happening. Ever. :lol They want to appeal to the widest audience possible, especially kids. I can see the rage now.
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I've heard about the Poe and Finn thing for a long time now, but I don't think it'll happen.
And I don't want Finn/Rey to happen.
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:dunno: why the fucking fuck does every film need some romance horse shit shoved in ?
I wince every time I see a movie trailer and there's always without fail the half a second "hero and love interest swap saliva" shot.
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It's even worse when the very first female character the hero sees in the movie is the one he ends up with at the end.
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:dunno: why the fucking fuck does every film need some romance horse shit shoved in ?
Because people like to fuck. Even film characters.
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fuck
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Because people like to fuck. Even film characters.
Not Jedi. Although the younglings have some stories to the contrary.
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I think the whole "Jedi are not supposed to love" rule is pretty ridiculous and in the Plinkett reviews he brings up some great points about it. Even if they are trained from when they were kids, there are still gonna be major problems once they hit puberty. I think moving forward, some of the rules will change. Because apart from Luke there no longer are any Jedi out there, and I think there will be some minor changes to the rules that they will teach.
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I think Plinkett missed the whole point. The Jedi in the PT were flawed.
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If I never read any of your posts in the P/R section and only read your posts in the Star Wars thread, I would probably think you are hecka' smart.
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:dunno: why the fucking fuck does every film need some romance horse shit shoved in ?
Because people like to fuck. Even film characters.
13th commandment.
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As far as the whole Poe and Finn relationship, the Rey thing definitely makes it seem like nothing more than wishful thinking from people that don't realize they are being Poochie.
Unless .....
Finn: We should hang out more. Side by side.
Poe: No. I've heard enough. I've heard you like Rey.
Finn: No. I'm your huckleberry.
Poe: Yes. Yessssssss!!!!!
Rey and Ren are just there to throw off us from the big twist.
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Okay, yeah, never mind what I said in my last post.
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That's ok. I didn't understand your last post.
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:rollin
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The "classic" Jedi as we know it were trained from young kids, grew up with the values and were moulded into what a Jedi should be. (So basically a cult) Rey might have gotten training when she was young (that is one theory), but either way, she has grown up without those values and is basically your normal person who happens to be force sensitive, and will most likely become a Jedi for episode 9 after being trained by Luke.
Either way, no matter how these events play out, I think it would be really weird if.. Luke tells Rey, "Oh by the way, you can't have emotions" when she's already ~20. With Anakin he was at least 10 or something when he started, but Rey is already past that stage. I would guess that they focus on the important parts, like Jedi being keepers of the peace, and stand up for what's right and so on. Jedi being weird monks who can't have feelings was never really a key element of the Jedi IMO. Even in the original trilogy the only things they really touch upon are the negative feelings leading to the dark side (which obviously makes sense). Luke still went on an emotional journey, and his journey was about as far away from the "pokerface Jedi" you could get.
Personally I would like it that way since Luke and Rey have by far been the most relatable characters because they feel human. They laugh, they cry, they go through challenges and they meet friends along the way. In the prequels I could never relate to the Jedi because they were portrayed so monotone, and the stuff Lucas added to their mythos just made it harder to appreciate them. I think you can keep the core ideals of what the Jedi stand for without having the weird cult rules of "you can't have emotions".
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Ok, now we are going to go Star Wars geek full throttle
AFAI can tell, Ben and Yoda were still stuck in the dogma, but at the same time were not pushing the heavier dogma "don't hook up". They still had a tendency to go Spock with the need to save Luke's friends in Cloud City. Yoda still thought Luke was too old and more or less had reservations the same as he did with Anakin. But they also seem to have lightened up or at least focused on what they felt was relevant still and disregarded the questionable parts. Luke was the transition, starting with the basic fact he was the offspring of a Jedi. So I'm not so sure Luke and Rey have to make changes from the PT. They already happened. And not as a plot hole, but as an actual plot device.
Some things to consider with the PT foundation.
Anakin did notice the flaws of the Jedi. It wasn't all just emo whine. He had relevant points. He also had to suffer through it in silence. His only true sounding board was Padme. She wasn't just a hook up. She was also his therapist. When she became pregnant and he started having the premonitions, he couldn't talk about it to anybody except the person that was also the focal point. He couldn't get the much needed outsider perspective. This would be weighing on anybody.
When Padme was gone, he lost his sounding board. Palpatine was not the father figure he had hoped for. He's almost like an abused child at this point. Nowhere to turn. Staying is hard, but leaving might be harder. And he had to suffer and brood in silence (worse, he had to bury his thoughts as well). When Palpatine was killing Luke, it was 1000x more effective watching him twist in silence. I wasn't even 10 yet and I knew what was happening. It wasn't just about his love for Luke, but it was the final straw that let him know that Palpatine wasn't just a dick, but Palpatine truly had absolutely no respect (or love) for Vader. The whole "Noooo" didn't change the ultimate conclusion, but ruined the theme of suffering in silence ... for decades.
And as far as the Jedi flaw and Anakin's conflict for noticing it, when Palpatine talks about dogma and a larger view (not running away knowledge, but making that decision on your own) no matter how evil the dude is, the audience and Anakin are thinking "Dude's got a point."
I could probably keep extrapolating, but it all adds up to the Jedi being flawed wasn't bad writing. It was 100% intentional. And from a removed audience perspective, it seems dumb. How could they not see this coming? Kind of like Nazi Germany and about everything else gone horribly wrong in history.
In conclusion, I think Luke is already free to get some stank on his hang low (that's an old one). And it wouldn't be in conflict with Ep. 1 to 6. It would actually be validating them.
Or maybe not. Maybe I'm just an idiot and Plinkett is a genius. (Puts on Space Cop. Hmm. I might be right.)
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I would probably prefer it if Luke did slip and fell in love, had a kid (Rey) instead of him making all the right decisions. It would be another human element to his character that would keep him relatable. Those problems that Anakin had, they are in Luke's blood as well. Luke doesn't need to be the ultimate pure Jedi, I think it's enough for us that Luke chose the good side instead of the bad, and whether he hooked up with someone or not is beside the point.
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star wars
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That's Grand Moff Tarkin to you, punk!
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k
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Anybody else not loving the Star Wars Rebels Season 2?
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Here's a real random question for people: Do you think that Kylo Ren will wear his mask in the next film? It seems to me like the only reason he wore it in Episode VII was to intimidate people, but now he's going to be more legit (aka trained) and have a massive scar on his face. I'm think the mask could be done for. Thoughts?
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It'll probably be half and half like VII.
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He was just using the 200lb mask to build up his trapezius muscles. Solo told him his traps were looking sweet and didn't need the mask any more. So no mask.
I'm guessing we might see something like the leaked artwork for his appearance. Didn't he lose his helmet at Starkiller?
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The mask did make quite a clunk when he dropped it on that walkway. It sounded like dropping an anvil!
I think we will get to see it again in VIII, but there will be a big reveal to show his lightsaber scar on his face after his duel with Rey.
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Plot twist : Snoke is Kylo Ren from the future.
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Speaking of the big lightsaber duels, will we simply get a Rocky III. Snoke (Mick) dies, so Hux (his former rival) steps up to train Ren to a montage. Finn witnesses the Rey v. Ren rematch. Finn comments that Ren looks like a middleweight Dark Jedi. Rey is going heavy, but runs out of gas. Ren sees his opening and goes in for the kill. But the big twist happens when Rey bites Ren's ear. And everybody claiming it was a reboot of Rocky III now have some splainin' to do.
Or will there be some duels that actually surprise and make Ep. 8 the new Pound for Pound king of the Star Wars series? Even the scenario like Ren turns good and Rey turns evil is contrived (although not as bland as Rey just kicking butt again). Really hoping for something truly stunning. Rey turns Ren *back to the light*, they kill Snoke together only to have Ren kill her because she no longer has her guard up against him. Ren declares his new empire going into Ep. 9.
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I thought the duel in 7 was perfectly handled. The main reason I find the prequel fights so boring is because there's not much to really care about or be invested in story or character-wise. To me it's 90% what is going on, like the internal struggle and not the actual fight itself that makes a good lightsaber fight. As long as they have a good story and we're invested, I think the next duel will be great either way. But if it's worse than the prequels, then a 30 minute one-take lightsaber duel won't do much.
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But I'm talking about Ep. 8 big duel predictions, hopes or just flat out throwing stuff against a wall to see what sticks.
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...moved.
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The problem with Buck Rogers is the dude just didn't look good in a disco suit. However, the dudettes did.
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I thought the duel in 7 was perfectly handled. The main reason I find the prequel fights so boring is because there's not much to really care about or be invested in story or character-wise. To me it's 90% what is going on, like the internal struggle and not the actual fight itself that makes a good lightsaber fight. As long as they have a good story and we're invested, I think the next duel will be great either way. But if it's worse than the prequels, then a 30 minute one-take lightsaber duel won't do much.
The fights in the prequels were just " insert lightsaber fight here ". And went on for ages just for a set piece.
They were just lightsaber fights for the sake of having lightsaber fights and more more more mentality.
Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?
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I love the lightsaber fights in VII because they look so real, like Rey/Ren/Finn are actually trying to kill each other, you know, like a real fight. Not the acrobatics that happened in the prequels and even the OT
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I thought the battle between Qui Gon / Obi Wan and Darth Maul was probably the best of the prequels.
The ones with Yoda bouncing around like a bouncy ball in the other two were pretty distracting. Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?
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Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?
Ironically he was killed by a blaster
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Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?
Because Lightsabers.
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Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.
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Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?
Because Lightsabers.
Maybe his lightsaber goes to 11? :lol
Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.
^ Totally agree.
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And that scene with all the little kids blindly swinging around lightsabers.
Less weapon of a highly trained warrior - more fashion accessory like an iPhone
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There's plenty of reasons not to give kids lightsabers..
(https://i.imgur.com/AJx9FW1.jpg)
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Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.
This was one of my biggest problems with the prequels. You see light sabers every 10 minutes, so after a while, it's not cool anymore. Episode VII handled light sabers perfectly, IMO.
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The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey - Official Teaser Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNiBb6Nu0E)
:facepalm:
Why do people feel the need to make the prequels the center of their Star Wars lives. TFA comes out .... can you make it to the end of the review without a prequel slag/defense?
When conversation about what saber duels we might see (or want to see) in Ep.8 turns into "well, let me tell you why the prequels saber duels suck/rule" .... sucks to be you.
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Was it Grevious who had 4 lightsabers ? Does that make it better than one ?
In his case, yes. He wasn't a force user, so he had a big disadvantage compared to a lightsaber-wielding Jedi or Sith, but he made up for that by being mostly cyborg and having 4 lightsabers. If you're a jedi you're not really used to fighting against another lightsaber-wielder in a war (because there were only two Sith), although you have done so in training of course. But who can prepare for a fight with a cyborg wielding 4 lightsabers and swinging them around in every direction constantly? Very few people. That's why Grievous killed so many Jedi.
Plus, in EPIII, why did Palpatine have a lightsaber at all if he could do the whole force lightning thing?
Well, if he'd been attacked with blasters, he needs some way to defend himself, right? He could just dodged everything, but having a lightsaber means having the ability to go full melee while dodging and reflecting blasts.
Moreover, you can't win a fight against another Jedi/Sith without a lightsaber if that other person has one. They could just use their lightsaber to block your lightning.
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plus he could do shit like this
(https://s.yimg.com/cd/diminuendo/1.0/original/191dd4170730df58759f8edbdb133bf6b5d1c7c3.gif)
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Plinkett really hit the nail on the head with the use of lightsabers in the prequels. As cool of a weapon it is, sometimes less is more. I'd even say most cases, less is more. When you can't go 5 minutes without someone pulling out their lightsaber, it doesn't feel as special or unique anymore.
This was one of my biggest problems with the prequels. You see light sabers every 10 minutes, so after a while, it's not cool anymore. Episode VII handled light sabers perfectly, IMO.
Ep. VII brought the cool back.
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Just when you thought all the Rey theories had been covered
https://medium.com/@KenjiLopezAlt/rey-is-a-palpatine-f2a0346dd1da#.z8guubt3g
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That one has been floating around for some time.
But you think it is fun to watch now? Wait until this trilogy has concluded and the same people that swore Rey was Optimus Prime will tell you how they figured out every twist and turn before it happened.
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That theory seems pretty silly, but I think I might actually prefer that over the obvious "she's a Skywalker" one.
I'd really like to be surprised by the next two movies. VII did a good job of resetting what a SW movie should be, albeit a bit derivative of the OT. Time to take the series into new territory now, I reckon..
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Didn't Rian Johnson say Episode 8 was going to be really different and weird ?
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Didn't Rian Johnson say Episode 8 was going to be really different and weird ?
Yes, I read that too. Let's hope so.
Maybe it will involve travelling back in time to get some humpback whales to communicate with an evil First Order probe. Oh wait, I think that has been done.. :lol
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Hmm, if done right, I'd be okay if that theory turned out to be true.
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They should Genisys the SW universe and go back in time to erase the prequels.
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They should Genisys the SW universe and go back in time to erase the prequels.
^ Ugh - terrible movie. Not even the mother of dragons could save that one. :)
BTW - I don't think time travel belongs in the SW universe at all. I wouldn't like to see it in any sort of storyline.
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But I'm talking about Ep. 8 big duel predictions, hopes or just flat out throwing stuff against a wall to see what sticks.
I would love to see Luke fight in Episode 8. It would be cool to see him take Kylo to town, or at least have a moment where the audience can marvel at his pwnage.
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I'm not a SW fan by any means. Episode 7 is really great and I enjoy the original trilogy for the most part. I obviously hate the prequels.
But the main thing I don't want is for Snoke to turn out to be a reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker.
It would be as pointless as having Khan in a new Star Trek film. As much as I enjoyed Into Darkness as well as Cumberbatch's performance - he wasn't Khan.
This new trilogy needs to be about Kylo Ren as the sith apprentice - Snoke as the new Big bad and Rey finding herself . No Darth Vader / Anakin / Yoda force Ghosts.
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I reckon that the success of the new trilogy will heavily depend on Episode VIII. Episode VII was pretty well received and was a gift for fans of all generations, but Ep. VIII is where it's all at. If it chooses to play safe just as Ep. VII, it's not gonna be good.
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If it chooses to play safe just as Ep. VII, it's not gonna be good.
Agree with that. Star Wars is about arcs. If it just becomes a fight of the week serial, then it will cease to be Star Wars.
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Eh, the story will be good if it's good, whether or not it plays to any of your/my preconceptions about what it should be or what it should do. So these line-in-the-sand statements about what it better do or better not do are pretty pointless.
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The only thing that makes something good or not good is the viewer's perception. If we just get mindless battles, most adults will not like it.
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Side bar: Am I the only person who was 100% fine with Rey being able to fight Kylo at the end of the film? A lot of people seem to think it's some kind of plot hole that she could fight an experienced force user without training of her own, but I don't feel that's necessarily the case, mainly because she's clearly some kind of prodigy. In other words, Kylo is the regular bloke who took until his senior year of high school to learn calculus, whereas Rey is the freaky smart kid who taught herself calculus in the third grade. :lol
I dunno... It really doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Maybe I'm not being analytical enough, but I loved that final duel.
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I didn't have any problem with it.
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Yes. Rey was not a true Jedi but Kylo was not a true sith either. They were both work in progress. Also Ren was badly injured and desperate. Rey was empowered.
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Also, Rey could fight. We see her beat three guys back on Jakku with her staff. So all things considered, yeah the final duel makes perfect sense.
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Force Awakens had lots of problems. The fight scenes weren't among them.
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Force Awakens had lots of problems.
I know it goes without saying - but - compared to the prequels it may as well have been Empire Strikes Back.
I think it did exactly what it *needed* to do.
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Force Awakens had lots of problems.
I know it goes without saying - but - compared to the prequels it may as well have been Empire Strikes Back.
I think it did exactly what it *needed* to do.
No doubt. And I loved the hell out of it. Still had a lot of problems.
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What film doesn't ?
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I dunno... It really doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Maybe I'm not being analytical enough, but I loved that final duel.
If it is simply that she is a prodigy, then why did she go from awful (not even ESB Luke) to ROTJ Luke in what was literally the blink of the eyes.
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No doubt. And I loved the hell out of it. Still had a lot of problems.
Share the problems.
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I dunno... It really doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Maybe I'm not being analytical enough, but I loved that final duel.
If it is simply that she is a prodigy, then why did she go from awful (not even ESB Luke) to ROTJ Luke in what was literally the blink of the eyes.
She didn't. She was never awful.
I never really had too much problem with this fight. Initially, I felt like she should not really have been able to best Kylo. But given the injury, I didn't have too much problem with it. It was only later that I noodled through the fact that he isn't really that well-trained, in all likelihood. But that's kinda the thing: if you really have to spend that much time after the fact noodling through why a particular plot point actually works and isn't a mistake, then it perhaps wasn't set up/explained all that well in the film. But again, not a huge deal. Even if all it amounts to is that it really is a plot hole, it isn't one that is big enough to be a major issue.
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They already set up well ahead of time that he is rough round the edges and loses his temper and isn't in control. Even his homemade lightsaber is shoddy and not perfect.
Coupled with his desperation and being severely injured - the fight is fine. As well as having set up that Rey can handle herself in a fight.
They didn't just meet randomly and were like " let's do this " and Rey was the better one just because..
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They already set up well ahead of time that he is rough round the edges and loses his temper and isn't in control. Even his homemade lightsaber is shoddy and not perfect.
Yeah, but none of that translates to making the average viewer believe he is going to have problems in a fight against someone who has not been formally trained. And since so large a group of people had an issue getting over this hurdle, I don't think it is something that can just be dismissed as being adequately set up. Of course, there is always the possibility that it was intentional and we are meant to be speculating like this until the next film because leaving it open sets up something important later. But if not, I again come back to: it could have been set up or resolved a little better.
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What film doesn't ?
Bill and Ted's bogus journey.
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No doubt. And I loved the hell out of it. Still had a lot of problems.
Share the problems.
Nah. I was just making a point that I didn't feel the fights were a problem. I'm not a huge SW fan and have no desire to criticize the movie in detail. Like I said, I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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I dunno... It really doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all. Maybe I'm not being analytical enough, but I loved that final duel.
If it is simply that she is a prodigy, then why did she go from awful (not even ESB Luke) to ROTJ Luke in what was literally the blink of the eyes.
Well, keep in mind that at the beginning of the film, she went from not being able to get the Millennium Falcon off the ground to kicking the First Order's ass in about five minutes. Seems like once she tries something, she nails it down pretty quick. :lol
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I wouldn't toss out the term plot hole as many so easily do with just about every other movie.
Having watched the movie a few times, I did notice Chewie's bowcaster was not throwing Stormtroopers back while he was escaping immediately after he winged Kylo on the far left of his abdomen. So if we are going to say they set it up as a powerful weapon, they set it up as standard during that part of the movie.
She was awful with the lightsaber prior to blinking her eyes. It seems pretty clear that she tapped not into the light but the dark side of the force with her blink (although the Buddhist Monk meditation was a strange way to set it up). Kylo then suddenly went from expertly handling his saber with moves that used his whole body to pivot his strength into the blow (like a boxer throwing a professional punch all the way down from their legs) to suddenly not knowing how to properly hold it. He also went from overconfident (a la Vader ESB) to quick focus once he was aware the overconfidence made unnecessarily vulnerable (a la Vader ESB) and quickly used his saber skills to disarm and put down Finn. Then he did a nice saber move to reach, connect and guide Rey's saber into a losing position. At which point she blinked her eyes and everything fast forwarded to ROTJ Luke calling on the dark side to angrily beat down the opponent.
So plenty to suggest Kylo was far from a lightsaber novice. But you can even go back to him expertly deflecting Rey's blaster shots on Takodana. Not only is he calmly walking toward her, not only does he keep his forward momentum, not only does he block the shots from what was just established as sniper level shooter, but he syncs the motion up perfectly to end with a force paralyzation move. Just because he isn't a Sith (which is more lineage than some black belt level) doesn't mean he is suddenly not very good. There's a lot of area between beginner and master. A lot of area that always takes training to reach.
The fact that he throws a fit doesn't mean he's suddenly bad with the saber. Anakin also threw fits when he was considered one of the best duelists.
Perhaps Rey's special force power is she drains the skills from other users?
But this isn't what Adami was referring to. And problems doesn't always mean plot holes. It could be writing or character development or many other things. I'm going to post a couple tweak ideas I had on TFA for fun.
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There are some things I think could have been tweaked. Not to suggest it should have been done or is even better, but more just having fun with story and plot ideas.
It might have been cool to see Chewie fire at Kylo, Kylo stop it a few feet away from him similar to the beginning of the movie but "closer call" only to have the bolt go RPG in midair and cause the damage that way. Maybe even create some facial damage right then and there. Maybe even cause massive shockwave damage to his extended arm, making him fight Rey with his less dominant hand.
Another problem I hear a lot is that people didn't feel the same tension with the Death Star reboot as the original. Part of the problem is the rush to come up with the plan at the Resistance Base. The other part is as much as fans love Poe, it wasn't the same as fearing for Luke, Solo, Leia or Chewie's life that were more fully developed in the original Star Wars. There is also the problem that everybody knew the attack was going to be successful.
So some minor reworking of the same elements. Maybe the movie starts with the crawl talking about The Republic flourishing but at odds with Leia's Resistance. The Republic feels fighting a now decimated Empire down to its last remnants is counterproductive and creating more Republic enemies than saving them. (Sound familiar?) The crawl ends with The Resistance having just secured another planet from Imperial Remnants.
Unnamed planet, Leia getting on a ship as she tells the planet’s ruling government they are now free and encourages them to rejoin the Republic. Maybe some talk about the missing Rebel Alliance hero, Luke Skywalker and Leia saying something like “he’s done enough. With the light at the end of the tunnel near, he doesn’t need to be a war hero any longer.” A sister covering for her gone rogue brother.
No sooner than Leia and most (but not all) of the Reistance fighters leave the planet, we see the dreaded (but unknown to the Republic, Resistance or viewer) Starkiller blast vaporize the recently *freed* planet.
This is the equivalent to the A New Hope “holy crap. Look at that ship” Star Destroyer moment. It takes the viewer from “so this is going to be about the New Republic setting up the Old Republic again. Borin …. Holy Crap!!!” Moment out of nowhere. It also sets up an immediate threat that hadn’t been seen in 30 years.
Leia now has a serious reason to find Luke. After years of success, in an instant she feels small and in need of help. Go find ‘em Poe. Similar TFA story to follow except:
Like a terrorist, The First Order makes themselves known claiming responsibility. Pointing out the aggressive moves of Leia’s Resistance not honoring the Republic-Empire truce. Declares war on the Resistance, but not on the Republic. The First Order names its second target. The Resistance base. The Republic blames Leia’s Resistance. “We told you that you were playing with fire. You need to go back to the Senator/Diplomat of your youth and fix this.”
She doesn’t. Instead, very early on (rush attack fixed) they work on how to destroy Starkiller Base. The other parts of the story are mainly kept in tact. Those arcs don’t change all that much.
Fast forward to the ending battle led up to as before. Chewie RPG goes off as said before. Chewie pushes the detonator and … incomplete explosion. Han did not finish setting his explosives because he was sidetracked by Kylo Ben. Chewie is a sitting duck, so Rey and Finn don’t run, but try to help him with the other detonators then escape. Lightsaber battle begins inside SKB. Intense battle, even moving out into the snow (as they are trying to escape to the Falcon – and we get the cool saber snow effects). Finn starts, but Rey saves him, just like before. She also does pretty well against a blast damaged, broken arm Ren. We expect them to pull it off but instead, SKB fires. (Wait, I was so sure they were going to stop it like in ANH) The Resistance isn’t full of idiots, so they already abandoned the base. Except, now we get The Republic destruction. The Resistance Base target was a misdirect. The First Order has gone from non-existent to a bigger threat than the scattered Imperials now to the imposing force of the galaxy again. Big dynamic change from the opening crawl. Also sets up the underdog again.
The incomplete detonation wasn’t enough to stop the SKB fire, but it did do enough damage that SKB’s firing achieves its goal of destroying much of the Republic, but also creates serious problems. The base puts out an evac signal. Damaged but still being bad ass, Kylo Ren abandons the capture attempt of Rey, Finn, Chewie. It is clear that SKB will take major repair to fire again.
All the more reason to not waste time and find Luke …. End as the movie did.
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What film doesn't ?
Bill and Ted's bogus journey.
lolno the first film is a fuck ton better.
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I don't think there were any big problems with TFA tbh. If you're gonna be that nitpicky and say TFA had a lot of problems, then the same applies to the original trilogy.
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I don't think there were any big problems with TFA tbh. If you're gonna be that nitpicky and say TFA had a lot of problems, then the same applies to the original trilogy.
or any film.
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I don't think there were any big problems with TFA tbh. If you're gonna be that nitpicky and say TFA had a lot of problems, then the same applies to the original trilogy.
I only saw it once, so perhaps my problems would be better explained with a second viewing, but I had a few moments where it took me out of the movie with how odd the story writing was.
The original trilogy also has problems. I don't know why it would be held as perfect. I just consider TFA's problems to be more indicative of modern writing problems. But I'd definitely hold TFA to be on the same level as at least Return of the Jedi.
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It is funny that TFA *extremists* feel the need to constantly go after the PT and OT instead of just discussing what people have observed.
Right now, TFA still has the possibility to turn just about any shortcoming into an awe-inspiring reveal.
I've witnessed quite a few lists of TFA *plot holes* (catch all word these days it seems). The two biggest seem to be Rey's path, the Death Star to Starkiller side by side comparison and the then rushed plan. There are a ton more, but those seem to be the two most talked about and usually get the most agreement.
Talking about a movie series that has affected many people their entire lives should be fun.
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Any of you have Twitter? If so like Emo Kylo Ren. It will not dissapoint.
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I've seen a few of those posts, and yeah they're pretty funny.
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Not SW related but the twitter accounts that are completely and utterly pointless are the ones that are
• Profile pic of a famous comic actor
• The name ever so slightly spelled wrong
• All they tweet is jokes which that comic actor has never said - which every other of these "parody" accounts re uses.
And people follow them ! ???
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Path of a Lightsaber (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIDeOYSmQ1w)
Cool video showing the path of Anakin's lightsaber.
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Not sure why I just thought about this, but here she goes:
I recently took a mini-vacation and re-watched the LOTR trilogy. It was a glorious experience, obviously, but there were a few things that I think people would absolutely destroy if the films came out today, such as the Army of the Dead being freed before the men go to the Black Gates rather than holding onto them for a little longer, in which case Sauron would have been pwned. I'm sure there's a perfectly fine reason for this, but it wasn't explained in detail, which I could see the internet being up in arms over. :lol
I guess my main point is that I think people get way too worked up about stuff on the internet, which happened a lot with The Force Awakens.
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Yeah but in the defense of that scene, Aragorn (or the other characters for that matter) has no idea how events will unfold at that point. He is asked to uphold his promise and he does, because the battle is over. It's not until later that they decide to storm the black gate, and even then the plan was only to draw the troops out so that Frodo could finish the job.
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The real reason is because they needed the Army of the Dead to get past a particular problem, but keeping them around to finish off Sauron would've made it way too easy (as you said), so they had to be released in order to keep up the dramatic tension. It wasn't really explained in the movie, and if there was an explanation in the book, it didn't stick with me. I think you're basically supposed to not think about that. There are a number of major and minor conflicts along the way to The Big One at the End, and if you think about it, The Big One at the End isn't really the big one anyway. Once the ring is destroyed, everything pretty much falls apart and The Good Guys don't really have to do anything but stand there and watch it all crumble.
But back to your point. Yeah, folks on the Internet love to pick apart every little detail. It's amazing how many people say things like "Overall, I loved it and found it very entertaining, but here is my list of 117 things that I found wrong with it".
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I agree with both of you. :tup
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I hate it too. Nobody can just enjoy anything anymore.
Cinema SINS
Everything wrong with...
How.... SHOULD have ended.
Why .... ACTUALLY SUCKS!!!!!
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It's like if something is successful or popular - people NEED to PROVE that it's shit.
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I hate it too. Nobody can just enjoy anything anymore.
Cinema SINS
Everything wrong with...
How.... SHOULD have ended.
Why .... ACTUALLY SUCKS!!!!!
:(
It's like if something is successful or popular - people NEED to PROVE that it's shit.
Those things are meant to be comedic. No one wants to watch "How it actually ended.....". And have you ever seen Cinemasins? They are actually pretty interesting in pointing out critical issues that one wouldn't have thought of, but also sin for things like "Jessica Alba is not my girlfriend" and so forth. It's a mixture of comedic entertainment and authentic critique. They also have been known to actually remove sins for awesome things.
Unless you're arguing that no one should ever critique anything, and that people should just turn off their brains for all movies?
As far as HISHE and Cinemasins go, they usually do movies they themselves love. They're not trying to prove anything sucks. They're just having a good time while making you think.
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HISHE is hysterical. I'm not sure how those can be taken as nitpicking films. That isn't their agenda at all.
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HISHE videos are never actually "it should have ended this way because we know better" anyway, they're just parodies that make a fun skit out of a movie. When they raise problems with movies, they're doing so for humor, not for the sake of being critical.
I have no problem with people actually analyzing entertainment critically. It's just a shame it hasn't resulted in Hollywood raising their standards at all. :biggrin:
In the case of TFA, the discussion and debate has actually improved my opinion of the movie, because people had good explanations for a lot of the problems I had, and it made me realize that a lot of the issues I had are really just gaps that future films may yet fill in.
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HISHE is really funny, and while I don't think that CinemaSins is overly funny (as in I don't really laugh a lot), I do think they are one of the most enjoyable channel's to watch on YouTube. I often watch a few sins-videos while eating.
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...while I don't think that CinemaSins is overly funny (as in I don't really laugh a lot), I do think they are one of the most enjoyable channel's to watch on YouTube. I often watch a few sins-videos while eating.
I haven't seen any of those. Will have to check out.
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HISHE is awesome. :lol
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In the case of TFA, the discussion and debate has actually improved my opinion of the movie, because people had good explanations for a lot of the problems I had, and it made me realize that a lot of the issues I had are really just gaps that future films may yet fill in.
I swing back and forth on this one. First, yeah, I came out of TFA feeling pretty mixed and downright disappointed about some things, but people have pointed out that many of the problems I had really were explained and I just didn't catch them, or I needed to think about it more and they made more sense than I thought.
But there are at least a couple of rather big things about TFA that just weren't explained at all (the First Order, the Knights of Ren, Snoke) and I feel like if you put too much off and say "It will all be explained later" then you really are detracting from the movie we're currently watching. What if, by some ridiculous event, no more sequels get made? We're left with a movie that's fun, but a bunch of stuff that was never explained. I have no problem with some things getting filled in later, but if you have to constantly handwave various points just to get through the movie, my arms get tired.
Each Star Wars movie starts with a crawl. Why not give us just a bit of backstory regarding the origins of one or two of the biggies, and drop a line or two along the way for some of the others? It would have gone a long way towards not making it seem like all it's doing is setting up the next couple of movies.
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The cinema sins guy's voice is super irritating :lol
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The cinema sins guy's voice is super irritating :lol
Really? I think he's voice is rather pleasant, and he has great delivery for some of the lines he has. Also it may be because I've grown to know it for like 4 years now.
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I have no problem with some things getting filled in later, but if you have to constantly handwave various points just to get through the movie, my arms get tired.
Honestly, that is a hilarious way to sum it all up. These are not the Star Wars points you care about <wave hand> :tup
Each Star Wars movie starts with a crawl. Why not give us just a bit of backstory regarding the origins of one or two of the biggies, and drop a line or two along the way for some of the others? It would have gone a long way towards not making it seem like all it's doing is setting up the next couple of movies.
My fear is not that they are saving it for the next movies, but that it will just be handwaved away completely. TFA cannot be judged until the trilogy is complete.
Maybe episode 9 will end with Snoke and Kylo sitting in a diner talking about every day life. Then you hear a space door woosh open, the ignition of a lightsaber blade and the glow of blue on Snoke and Kylo's face .... black screen (but with stars) and blue letter credits. When that happens, you can throw a chair through the screen and join a class action lawsuit :corn
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I have no problem with some things getting filled in later, but if you have to constantly handwave various points just to get through the movie, my arms get tired.
Honestly, that is a hilarious way to sum it all up. These are not the Star Wars points you care about <wave hand> :tup
This is the emoticon you're looking for. :jedimindtrick:
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I've made no effort to find the hidden emoticons here (and doubt I ever will). But the deathsticks - go home jedi mind trick emoticon is pretty funny.
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In the case of TFA, the discussion and debate has actually improved my opinion of the movie, because people had good explanations for a lot of the problems I had, and it made me realize that a lot of the issues I had are really just gaps that future films may yet fill in.
I swing back and forth on this one. First, yeah, I came out of TFA feeling pretty mixed and downright disappointed about some things, but people have pointed out that many of the problems I had really were explained and I just didn't catch them, or I needed to think about it more and they made more sense than I thought.
But there are at least a couple of rather big things about TFA that just weren't explained at all (the First Order, the Knights of Ren, Snoke) and I feel like if you put too much off and say "It will all be explained later" then you really are detracting from the movie we're currently watching. What if, by some ridiculous event, no more sequels get made? We're left with a movie that's fun, but a bunch of stuff that was never explained. I have no problem with some things getting filled in later, but if you have to constantly handwave various points just to get through the movie, my arms get tired.
Each Star Wars movie starts with a crawl. Why not give us just a bit of backstory regarding the origins of one or two of the biggies, and drop a line or two along the way for some of the others? It would have gone a long way towards not making it seem like all it's doing is setting up the next couple of movies.
I get what you're saying, but I think Star Wars is a case where they can very safely assume they'll have the opportunity to tell the rest of the story, and have clearly designed it in such a way to keep you wanting more, just like the classic serials that inspired it. Generally I like a movie to be 100% self contained and not require me to research or read a comic book to understand what they couldn't be bothered to put into the movie, but in the case of Star Wars, I can accept that it's part of a grander story to be revealed in pieces.
Not to mention, they had to catch you up on over 30 years of events since ROTJ while also setting up a new saga, so they were never going to be able to do it all in a single two hour movie even if they tried. They told you enough to keep the story moving, while leaving some points open for debate to keep the fans wanting more. This movie gave us very little information about Snoke other than him being some mysterious bad guy in charge, but the Emperor didn't appear at all in A New Hope. The story didn't require you to know more than that for now.
I'm not one to simply give the benefit of the doubt or excuse problems, but for the moment my opinion on TFA is "pending" until we have more.
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Not to mention, they had to catch you up on over 30 years of events since ROTJ while also setting up a new saga
I'm thrilled they skipped ahead 30 years. And I assume the majority of those 30 years was rebuilding and pew pew fights to try and finish off the Empire. Didn't want to see complete movies about forming a government and Jedi Order. To be honest, most of the Star Wars books blow. They can fill in what happened in those 30 years as much as they want, but I'm perfectly fine with it being a bunch of repetitive and relatively static story.
This movie gave us very little information about Snoke other than him being some mysterious bad guy in charge, but the Emperor didn't appear at all in A New Hope.
I like the idea of Snoke being Yoda and Ren being Luke more than Luke being Yoda and Rey being Luke. The most compelling part of TFA was Ren fighting the path to the light side. He shouldn't underestimate Luke or suffer his grandfather's fate.
In a way, Kylo is as his name implies. A combination of Luke (needs more training) and Leia (already part of the fighting when the story begins). sKYwalkersoLO.
I'm not one to simply give the benefit of the doubt or excuse problems, but for the moment my opinion on TFA is "pending" until we have more.
It is a bit strange as that is my opinion as well. But I don't know how much was actually mapped out as opposed to the hand off being "we set up this, take it from here" which could get messy and go horribly wrong. Part of what I loved about something like A New Hope is I recall being very satisfied other than "I want more." But there was enough background info on each character that it would have stood on its own had it been the only Star Wars ever made. Yet at the same time, when you see the other movies (including the prequels) you can rewatch the movie and scenes take on a different meaning a new layer of depth is added.
I have had a hard time reading the new books. Started with Aftermath and blew through the first half. Like somebody trapped on an island finding a morsel. Don't care what it taste like. Food. Then I just had the hardest time finishing it. I tried the audio book version, but that was even worse as I'd quickly find that I wasn't really paying attention. Some of that comes from giving up on the old books as well. The ones I truly enjoyed were the Han Solo Trilogy, the Dark Lord Trilogy, Bane Trilogy and Darth Plageius. To a lesser degree the Thrawn Trilogy +2, but it was already super hyped before I read it, so the expectations weren't met. Oh. The Republic Commando series was decent. I think I started losing interest on book 3 though.
That leaves a ton of Star Wars books that were read with the "maybe it gets better next chapter" feeling. At some point, you just give up.
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Maybe I'm the only one but I didn't even know Snoke's name until I started reading comments here and go "oh, he was the hologram guy".
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Maybe I'm the only one but I didn't even know Snoke's name until I started reading comments here and go "oh, he was the hologram guy".
They said his name several times in the movie as far as I remember.
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Yeah, that was quite clear.
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Maybe I'm the only one but I didn't even know Snoke's name until I started reading comments here and go "oh, he was the hologram guy".
Maybe you were too busy admiring your first really good look at Kylo Ren in character. My mind sometimes does that. Ponder on something (as if you are reading a book), but the big movie screen doesn't pause. Now you missed something simple like a name call out.
It was mentioned several times, but if you missed it during something like "Supreme Leader Snoke demands your presence" or whatever they said, then caught it when Leia was talking about Snoke, your mind might not make the connection.
Don't worry. You aren't going senile. These things happen to the best of us. :D And our minds work differently (but maybe schedule a doctor's visit just in case :P )
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To be fair if you compare it to the original name, we didn't really learn much about the Emperor either, until the latter half of the trilogy. This time we got the name in the first one, which is more than just "The Supreme Leader".
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The real reason is because they needed the Army of the Dead to get past a particular problem, but keeping them around to finish off Sauron would've made it way too easy (as you said), so they had to be released in order to keep up the dramatic tension. It wasn't really explained in the movie, and if there was an explanation in the book, it didn't stick with me. I think you're basically supposed to not think about that. There are a number of major and minor conflicts along the way to The Big One at the End, and if you think about it, The Big One at the End isn't really the big one anyway. Once the ring is destroyed, everything pretty much falls apart and The Good Guys don't really have to do anything but stand there and watch it all crumble.
But back to your point. Yeah, folks on the Internet love to pick apart every little detail. It's amazing how many people say things like "Overall, I loved it and found it very entertaining, but here is my list of 117 things that I found wrong with it".
In the LOTR book, the Army Of The Dead doesn't show up at Pelennor Fields, they only defeated the Corsairs (the guys in the ships) off page and allowed Aragorn too take those ships with a bunch of men from the rest of Gondor to Pelennor fields. So in the books the dead weren't really shown to be as ridiculously overpowered so it wouldn't have been as much of an issue why they didn't keep them. In the film though if they were going to show the recruiting of the Army of the Dead, it makes more sense to show them turn the tide at the big battle rather than just to take some ships (which wasn't even shown in the theatrical version) and spend time explaining that Aragorn found some more men to come and join the battle. But yeah, that does mean that we have to watch Aragorn get rid of them right after it's shown they can basically defeat Sauron's entire army. At least it was lampshaded (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging) by Gimli a bit.
I would take a slightly different stance about the "nitpicking" thing, rather than it just being a case of there being less of it "then" vs. "now" being why, for example, LOTR avoided it. It may have got even more common now with social media and more people using the internet, but the same thing happened as long as the internet has been around (and before, surely, but I think the internet really made the difference as before then there wasn't really a good way or purpose for people who dislike stuff to communicate about it). How many times have we heard about the eagles from LOTR for example? But despite things like that being widely pointed out as a "plot hole", that hasn't ruined people's appreciation for Lord Of The Rings.
The thing is, there will always be things to criticise and pick apart about any movie, but imo people are idiots if they thing those are the things that make a movie good. And that's where I think a lot of people go wrong criticising the prequels - they nitpick "plotholes" or individual silly events or designs that are supposed to be just self-evidently stupid... but the fact is similar criticisms can be made about things in the Original Trilogy or The Force Awakens. (For me, the fact that the Millennium Falcon is just sitting there unguarded in essentially working order, when it is driven home to the audience that people on the planet are poor, live in crappy conditions, and even make a living scavenging for parts, was a particularly ridiculous moment). But the fact is, where those films succeeded and the prequels didn't was on a more fundamental, "Filmmaking 101" level, not in having a story that makes perfect sense and no small elements to criticise. They were more competent films that engaged with the audience and provided an enjoyable experience, and that's why more people like them than the prequels - and it's why when people point out the problems with, say, The Force Awakens, more people try to explain it away or just say "I don't care", while when people do the same thing with the prequels more people say "Haha yes, that's so stupid".
That's why (and I know I have mentioned this several times) I like the Plinkett reviews of the prequels so much. Yes, they do just openly mock some of the designs or nitpick individual scenes that would be given a pass by most if they were in another film (though at least they do it in a unique and humorous way), but they also point out the deeper problems with the movies that made people not connect with them. It's the "Who is the protagonist of The Phantom Menace?" or "Can you describe any character without saying their job or what they wear?", rather than the "That plan doesn't make too much sense when you think about it" or "That was a stupid line about sand". Lots of people might not have even noticed that was what was wrong with it (... but their brain did) and so that's why they gravitate towards "plotholes" and "nitpicks" to explain it, even while giving similar things a pass in the OT or TFA.
For me, I found The Force Awakens enjoyable, and I look forward to watching it again when it's released on Blu-ray... I think it has problems but they were papered over easily because I was enjoying the ride. I also find it hard to take the story too seriously for some reason; it felt like a lot of what happened was very much just "this would be cool if it happened now" rather than coming naturally from the plot. I know all films and stories are like that to some extent, and I may have been affected by my outside knowledge, but for The Force Awakens it felt very transparent at times. That's why I'm not really interested in dissecting the storyline too much or trying to predict for the future.
I also think that the new trilogy(?), and perhaps even the retroactive reception of The Force Awakens, will depend more on the next film. I think people were very happy to just see a competently made enjoyable Star Wars film that felt more like the old ones after a lot of people were soured by the prequels... but once we get saturated with Star Wars stuff again I don't think people will be as forgiving.
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Honestly, I don't think that all of the questions from The Force Awakens will be answered, at least in the films (How did the First Order come to be? How did Maz get Luke's light saber?). This sequel trilogy seems to care way more about the experience of what's going on than the background of it all.
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Honestly, I don't think that all of the questions from The Force Awakens will be answered, at least in the films (How did the First Order come to be? How did Maz get Luke's light saber?). This sequel trilogy seems to care way more about the experience of what's going on than the background of it all.
Like Maz says " that's a story for another time ". Like just brushing it off. Maybe for an Anthology movie.
And I heard that they'll explain C3P0's red arm in future too....sigh.... Can't people just accept that it implies that in the 30 years since we last saw these characters - they've been off having adventures?
May as well have a whole comic all about " WHY DO LUKE LEIA AND SOLO ALL LOOK REALLY OLD NOW ?!!!!? "
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I don't think all answers needs to be answered though. Maz is a collector of items and she happened upon the lightsaber somehow during all of her business deals. I don't think we need more than that. It's similar to how in Episode 4 we hear about Darth Vader and that he was "seduced by the dark side". That was really all we needed, and 3 movies of backstory was a story that didn't need to be told. So I'm perfectly fine with certain things not being answered, as long as the important ones are. Let's say for example that we find out that Rey is Luke's daughter, but we hear nothing at all about her mother in this trilogy. Now that would be a question demanding an answer.
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I don't think all answers needs to be answered though. Maz is a collector of items and she happened upon the lightsaber somehow during all of her business deals. I don't think we need more than that. It's similar to how in Episode 4 we hear about Darth Vader and that he was "seduced by the dark side". That was really all we needed, and 3 movies of backstory was a story that didn't need to be told. So I'm perfectly fine with certain things not being answered, as long as the important ones are. Let's say for example that we find out that Rey is Luke's daughter, but we hear nothing at all about her mother in this trilogy. Now that would be a question demanding an answer.
Agreed 100%. To be honest, I think it's kind of fun leaving some questions unanswered. The only mystery I really care about at this point is whether or not Rey comes from the Skywalker bloodline.
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Some things WON'T be answered in the films; some things will be reserved for any new novels/comics/whatever that are published. That's already been established by the current regime at Disney - from here on out, it's all canon.
But I would imagine that any MAJOR details will, in fact, be answered onscreen.
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Honestly, I don't think that all of the questions from The Force Awakens will be answered, at least in the films (How did the First Order come to be? How did Maz get Luke's light saber?). This sequel trilogy seems to care way more about the experience of what's going on than the background of it all.
I don't really think anything will be "answered" from The Force Awakens in sequels. To be honest the only thing I thought had a slight chance of being included in one of those spin-off films was Luke's light saber, since it made a point of it. For the rest, they can publish whatever they want in comics and books, but if it's not in the films then it doesn't and shouldn't matter for the enjoyment of the films, it will just be extra for fans that enjoy it (what I mean is that "it explains it in the spin-off comics" is not a satisfactory excuse for something in future films being poor or not seeming to make any sense).
Not sure if my post was one of the ones you were replying to, but when I said in my post that the retroactive reception to The Force Awakens will depend on future films, I wasn't really thinking about them explaining anything in future films (on the contrary, I think they will forge ahead onto new ideas and any loose ends that are left will just be swept under the rug left to the expanded universe). Just that if Episode VIII doesn't deliver, then people might not look back on The Force Awakens as fondly either ("they fooled us bringing the original cast and practical effects back, but then they just ruined it in the next film"); think of the episode or season of a TV show that people loved at the time, but after later episodes aren't well received people end up rating the whole show or season poorly.
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Just watched the bonus TFA blu ray. Good stuff.
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Doesn't it come out April 5th?
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It's the "Who is the protagonist of The Phantom Menace?"
Who is the protagonist of Pulp Fiction?
This is why I don't have a raging boner for Plinkett.
Anakin can't be the protagonist because he wasn't introduced immediately. Well, just like the OT and TFA, neither were Luke and Rey. Even more important, the antagonists were introduced within the first few minutes. Kylo Ren, Darth Vader and Palpatine.
Another example is complaining about Obi-Wan staying behind in Tatootine. Therefore, he can no longer be considered the protagonist. Perhaps:
(For me, the fact that the Millennium Falcon is just sitting there unguarded in essentially working order, when it is driven home to the audience that people on the planet are poor, live in crappy conditions, and even make a living scavenging for parts, was a particularly ridiculous moment).
Unguarded. Nope.
Poor planet. Yup.
Crappy. Heck Jakku is essentially Tatootine.
Scavengers. Yup. (Jawas?)
Further, not only was Luke not the first person introduced immediately, the better comparison (the ensemble) was. Leia, then Luke, then Ben (dies) then Han. Poe, then Finn, then Rey, then Han(dies). (or was it Han, then Leia, then Luke this time). Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (dies), then Padme, then Anakin.
The similarities are all there.
"Can you describe any character without saying their job or what they wear?"
With relative ease?
If one can't, then they were either not trying, never cared about the movie to begin with or went in looking to hate it.
Anakin: Gifted, Righteous. Loyal to a fault. Conflicted but manages to stay on the wrong side of things.
Obi-Wan: Annoyed. Stinging Wit. Doesn't wear emotions on his sleeve, but has moments showing he truly cares. (Just like OT)
Qui-Gon: Wise. Gifted. Conflicted but manages to stay on the right side of things.
Palpatine: Conniving, Smart, Strategic. Psychopath.
Relatively easy.
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Forgot to add on protagonist v. ensemble.
Luke was hardly always in the scenes. The one considered the best, Empire, he's not being chased through an asteroid field and not on Bespin for quite some time. He's also *missing* for a bit in the beginning. So screen time does not equal filmmaking 101, and that was definitely a Plinkett critique.
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(https://www.theforce.net/2016/tfastarwarsfamily.jpg)
Holy crap that is cute.
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Hey so I finally saw this film. Despite having no interest in it initially, the positive reports made me interested, and wow it was really great. Great characters and dialogue, great action sequences, and overall it just felt like Star Wars. I was very pleased, and am looking forward to the next installment.
Ninja out.
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Star Wars: A New Awakening (https://theforce.net/story/front/Star_Wars_A_New_Awakening_168502.asp)
How much of this did you catch on first viewing? Some of it was obvious. Some took a bit more paying attention.
I know one thing I never caught on the prequels until a year or two ago:
(https://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z441/hevydevy1/mentorhealinverse.png)
(https://customstarwars.freeweb.hu/holokron/heal_kenobi.jpg)
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Anybody catch the Star Wars Rebels season 2 finale? I was really starting to lose interest, but the double episode (1 hour) finale was pretty good. There's a lot of speculation that Ezra becomes Snoke. Seems like a stretch to me because the novelization said Snoke was around before Ezra was born, but Ezra does seem to be headed down the path to the dark side.
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The Rebels finale was amazing! I think Ashoka is still alive and Ezra is heading towards the dark side. There is no way he's snoke.
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I just watched star wars rebels last night for the first time and I LOVE it. I can't wait to continue on through the episodes.
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Star Wars: Fury of Maul on Netflix? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9j9pGi-l4c)
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Rebels finale was indeed really good!
Loved the introduction of Maul and of course, the confrontation of Ahsoka and Vader.
But i think blinding Kanan, is the ballsiest move Dave Filoni has ever done!
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First, a lot of people seem to be talking about it. As I said, really enjoyed the Rebels finale. But it turns out this is hardly a unique view: the saber helicopters. Yeah. It was kinda dumb. Might be the stain on an otherwise great episode(s).
Second, Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Kylo's Parents (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yZfwPIH3W8)
Please let it be more than mommy and daddy didn't take him to the zoo and play catch so Snoke pulled up in his blacked out van and offered him a sub sandwich.
I've had many thoughts on what could make Kylo Ren what he is. One being that he was mediocre under Luke because he is great with the Dark Side, but so / so with the Light. Luke wouldn't let him entertain the Dark Side. Snoke proved to him how powerful he could be with the Dark Side. So his own ego had to choose between staying in the Light and being mediocre (worse because his Skywalker lineage means mediocre is a let down) or live up to expectations of power with the Dark Side. And he doesn't even really like the Dark Side. But his inferiority complex won't let him be anything other than the new legend. So he is torn. Would also explain why he didn't get the rush when he killed Han. He fed off the tension and conflict, but deep down he didn't truly want to kill Han. So he didn't feel vindication and freedom to be his own man, but instead felt confused and lost.
Something like that sounds better than Dad showed up late to pick him up after soccer practice. I prefer tortured, not entitled.
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Saw this over at a Star Wars forum when I guess a few members starting arguing personally instead of topically and it ended with this
(https://i.qkme.me/3r3ku1.jpg)
I found it hilarious so I thought I'd share here.
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The voice actor for Admiral Ackbar has died at the age of 93. RIP.
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The voice actor for Admiral Ackbar has died at the age of 93. RIP.
Admiral "Bib Fortuna" Ackbar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n62S2dNYbg)
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Saw this over at a Star Wars forum when I guess a few members starting arguing personally instead of topically and it ended with this
(https://i.qkme.me/3r3ku1.jpg)
I found it hilarious so I thought I'd share here.
LOOSEN UP! :angel:
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Hello again. By this point, I'm sure everyone looks at me as the forum's designated Force Awakens apologist, but I'll go ahead and say it anyway... I've read a lot of articles and watched a lot of videos recently that said the film's Blu Ray documentary was crap because it didn't cover everything. Well, I watched it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it, as well as the other special features. Sure, it wasn't as extensive as the LOTR extras, but it was a better set of special features than 90% of what I've seen, at least. I dunno... I'm probably making too big a deal out of it, but people complaining about everything is bumming me out and making me... Complain. :lol
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When you have a fanbase as fanatical as Star Wars, I think anything they do would come up short in some way, because there's always something more fans will want to know We're talking the same fanbase that notices random ice cream maker man in Cloud City, and bitches that the new prop of Luke's lightsaber uses the wrong model of screw or whatever.
What specifically are people complaining about it overlooking anyway?
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just not into the special features (of any movie) as much as I used to be. I remember buying the LOTR EE box sets and watching every last second of every extra feature on there, then listening to the director and cast commentary, etc.
Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed TFA, but I just don't have the same desire to see all the behind the scenes stuff. I'm happy enough to enjoy the movie and leave it at that.
I wonder with the way things are going with internet streaming services and all, are bonus features going to be a thing of the past in the next few years?
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I think that peoples' main complaints have centered around it either not covering certain things in enough depth, such as the initial script writing (it basically ignores Michael Arndt), or not touching on well-publicized issues (Harrison Ford's injuries). In a way, it is a bit of an advertisement for the film as it doesn't dive into any of the production problems, but that didn't really bother me. It's still something like 75 minutes long, and I found it really interesting. Even Mrs. TOX, who doesn't like Star Wars, said she enjoyed it. :tup
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75 minutes? Damn, sounds cool to me, even if there are omissions. I find modern home releases phone in that kind of stuff in recent years, so at least someone is still putting effort in.
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Yeah it really sucks when you get a DVD and the Behind the Scenes is like 5 minutes.
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Most DVDs I've gotten from the past few years haven't even had that much. You're lucky to get a trailer, and commentaries don't seem as common anymore. Maybe I'm just buying the wrong movies. :lol
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I was glad when we watched the Interstellar Blu ray that they broke down how the tesseract scene was filmed as that was the only thing I wanted to see.
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Most DVDs I've gotten from the past few years haven't even had that much. You're lucky to get a trailer, and commentaries don't seem as common anymore. Maybe I'm just buying the wrong movies. :lol
Yes! Thank you! That was my thought as well. Maybe I'm buying the wrong movies, but usually I'm lucky if I even get the trailers included in the package. :lol
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You usually have to buy the Blu Ray to get all the extras. ::)
Gee I love being forced to buy the new format.
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I just don't see the point in complaining about extras anyway.
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I just don't see the point in complaining about extras anyway.
While I also tend to find myself complaining if I feel short changed on the extras, I totally see your point. They're extras. We're buying the movie.
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Rogue One trailer tomorrow !!
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:metal
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Rogue One trailer tomorrow !!
Hell yes :metal
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Today's teaser was barely a teaser, so I can't wait for a trailer. This should feel even more "Star Wars" than TFA because of the era it's set in, so it will be interesting to see how well it captures that.
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Today's teaser was barely a teaser, so I can't wait for a trailer. This should feel even more "Star Wars" than TFA because of the era it's set in, so it will be interesting to see how well it captures that.
What were you looking at, the 10 second clip here: https://youtu.be/MaYv3Y8tyoQ?
I think the full teaser should be up later on, after it's shown on Good Morning America. I totally agree that this should feel like it belongs in the New Hope era. I'm expecting 70's style sideburns.. ;D
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Yeah, that's the one. The teaser of the teaser.
Sideburns and sick mustaches. That's what they all need. :metal
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Flares, big collared shirts, kipper ties,... :)
Seriously though, I hope they keep the costume and set design retro, and not try to introduce too many new troopers, ships, gadgets etc. That new black trooper design is ok, but I'm not immediately blown away. Seems a bit of a departure from the classic stormtrooper or tie fighter pilot.
Will try to reserve judgement until I see more..
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I'm actually hoping Rogue One creates a whole new Star Wars prototype feel. Yes the visuals should feel grounded to A New Hope and returning characters like Vader should feel like Vader. But I'm hoping they really create a whole new grit and non-lightsaber oriented melee combat feel.
I'll reference The Force Awakens scene where the stormtrooper gets killed and rarely scene "red" blood shows up. The flickering lights for the Saving Private Ryan "beach" landing on Jakku. The "war smoke" from the Jakku gun fight. I was very excited when I watched that the first time. It was Star Wars, but at the same time, it had a new more adult edge to it. Some of it is just technology. Smoke on film back in 1977-83 had a tendency to feel more like a Penthouse vaseline on the lens feel. Today with all the color correction techniques, it can be there to add to the scene instead of "cheese it up". It was an homage to the Blockade Runner intercept, but the new tech allowed it to occur in a more natural environment (organic planet instead of sterile ship).
From everything I've read, that does seem to be the direction. I'm looking forward to it. The only drawback is we know how it ends in the grand scheme of things. But perhaps they will do something that will give you new enjoyment when watching A New Hope. Maybe something strange like Darth Vader allows it to happen because he is essentially at odds with the role of the Death Star.
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I'm fine with new designs as long as they keep in line with the aesthetic of the era, which I feel the new trooper variants do very well so far, and they're including the classic stormtrooper designs too. I also don't expect or want them to stick 100% to the visual style of the OT, as long as it feels like part of the same universe. Some of the new ideas in TFA were a great addition, like those mentioned by Calvin above.
Hopefully the full teaser gives a good glimpse of this stuff, but I don't expect to feel too strongly one way or another about it yet.
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I'm actually hoping Rogue One creates a whole new Star Wars prototype feel. Yes the visuals should feel grounded to A New Hope and returning characters like Vader should feel like Vader. But I'm hoping they really create a whole new grit and non-lightsaber oriented melee combat feel.
I think there will definitely be scope to do that when we see what the Rebels' world is like. They won't be Jedi, so I'm sure there will be more guerrilla style tactics and hand to hand combat scenes. Maybe some good old clumsy, random, blaster shootouts.
But if there is some sort of stealth mission on a star destroyer, I definitely want it to look and feel like ANH star destroyer..
I'll reference The Force Awakens scene where the stormtrooper gets killed and rarely scene "red" blood shows up. The flickering lights for the Saving Private Ryan "beach" landing on Jakku. The "war smoke" from the Jakku gun fight. I was very excited when I watched that the first time. It was Star Wars, but at the same time, it had a new more adult edge to it.
Yeah! I got Saving Private Ryan vibes from the lander scene too. The "bloody hand on white helmet" part bizarrely reminded me of that other Tom Hanks film, Castaway ("Wilsonnnnnn!!!" :)), which took me out of the movie for a few minutes.
But you're right - it definitely felt like Star Wars, but more gritty and edgy.
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In the middle of watching the SW TFA blu ray extras. What are the complaints? It feels like the exact same format of extras for all the previous Star Wars movies. Some CGI stuff here, some creature stuff there. Some actor, director, writer, producer, etc. talk there. Deleted scenes. A showcase thing (BB8 and final saber fight). And a longer documentary type thing.
Never expected plot or character revelations like "Yup. They confirmed he's Plagueis", because we are in the middle (not even middle) of the new story. I'm sure I can find something to bitch about if I wanted to.
Now the deleted scenes usually only confirm why they were deleted. For the most part, this is the case. But for fun, I'll talk about the scenes.
Finn and the Jakku Villager: Ultimately, good that it was cut. It could have added to his character's decision that he just can't accept his role with the First Order. But it adds a new problem. You have a Stormtrooper roaming about never using his weapon for too long and you feel like eventually somebody would kill this defenseless Stormtrooper.
Jakku Message: Absolutely cut worthy. The whole dialogue was canned. Especially the emphasis on BB8 with none on the best starfighter of the resistance.
X-Wings Prepare for Lightspeed: Although unnecessary, it could have helped give the Squadron just a tiny bit more screen time and therefore a tiny bit more drama for their "trench run". In or out, not a big difference.
Kylo searches the Falcon: I liked it. Although it did emphasize how if they had quickly tossed a few explosives, the whole escape for the main characters doesn't happen. BUT it would have been interesting to see Kylo stop them because he can't stand to see his nostalgia destroyed.
Snow Speeder Chase: The next most talked about cut scene. So glad they cut it. Ignoring it isn't final production quality, the whole scene was awful. "Switch places". Really? I mean, Rey was a ridiculously good shot so why? If it is to take away her Mary Sue-ness, then just have Finn have the gun the whole time. Talk about a let down. I need to need the novelization from back to front to get more context, but this isn't making me want to.
Finn will be fine: The alternate scene used was better.
If I wanted extra run time, it would have been more of the Snoke dialogue. The grey Jedi stuff.
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I remember the extras for the PT being very good, particularly for AOTC (shame about the movies). It had a great behind the scenes video showing the process of creating CG Yoda, and the animation, without the flashy emptiness of most of these types of documentaries.
They should have included the shot of Kylo Ren firing up the saber in the woods that was in the trailer. It's always interesting to watch deleted scenes and get some insight into the editing process, and see why a scene was cut and how it affects the overall flow. Star Trek 11 (also JJ) had some deleted scenes that I really felt should have stayed in there, so I don't know how I'd feel about the TFA scenes.
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Hopefully the full teaser gives a good glimpse of this stuff, but I don't expect to feel too strongly one way or another about it yet.
And that is why you fail (at being a Star Wars geek) :laugh:
The new teaser could be Vader walking around saying "We need to get those plans back" and I will feel (for a fleeting moment) like I just watched the best trailer ever produced. I turn into a little boy every time something new Star Wars (especially movie) comes out. A Stormtrooper could walk on a white backdrop, point his two index fingers at the screen and make "pew pew pew" sounds with his unseen mouth and my inner little boy would say "I have so gotta see this."
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They should have included the shot of Kylo Ren firing up the saber in the woods that was in the trailer.
Absolutely. That shot was iconic. And it will be lost in time to a trailer on YouTube. Quite frankly, what were they thinking with that. It is almost as if somebody argued "this is too good. Let's take it out." There was absolutely no reason I can think of not to leave in a perfectly finished shot. That was the "nailed it" shot of the trailers.
It also brings into play why lightsaber fights are so vital to Star Wars movies. It is probably the most visually iconic image of Star Wars movies. And it is all about the movies. Having read way too many Star Wars novels, it becomes clear that lightsaber fights need to be seen. They are downright boring in the novels. But mixed with emotion, visually stunning FX and choreography, they are film magic.
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Hopefully the full teaser gives a good glimpse of this stuff, but I don't expect to feel too strongly one way or another about it yet.
And that is why you fail (at being a Star Wars geek) :laugh:
:lol Well I don't consider myself a Star Wars geek at all, so I'm ok with that. I enjoy the movies as much as the average person, but TFA aside, it's been years since I actually took the time to watch a full SW movie. I don't geek out about it like I do with other franchises like Star Trek or Doctor Who, but it's still a cool franchise that I have an interest in.
They should have included the shot of Kylo Ren firing up the saber in the woods that was in the trailer.
Absolutely. That shot was iconic. And it will be lost in time to a trailer on YouTube. Quite frankly, what were they thinking with that. It is almost as if somebody argued "this is too good. Let's take it out." There was absolutely no reason I can think of not to leave in a perfectly finished shot. That was the "nailed it" shot of the trailers.
Exactly! That shot got everyone talking, and it was a memorable reveal. I can't remember if that would have been the first time in the movie we saw the saber, but it was a great shot either way.
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I can't remember if that would have been the first time in the movie we saw the saber, but it was a great shot either way.
Might have been the first time in terms of the trailer, but not the movie. Kylo pistol whipped Sydow with it. Then he pistol whipped the Star Destroyer with it. BTW, the close up angle shot of him igniting it in that tantrum scene was AWESOME. Then he batted away markswoman Rey's blaster fire with it. Then he sucker punched Solo with it.
Which reminds me. Some YT chick had a different take on the Solo death scene. That a) Kylo was asking Solo to kill him with his saber and/or b) Solo was the one that ignited the saber. I don't buy either one, but that type of talk is what makes talking about Star Wars fun.
As far as Sci-Fi, I'm actually only a marginal Sci-Fi fan. I liked most of the Star Trek movies, but never cared for the TV shows. I really enjoyed Battlestar Galactica 2.0 (re-imagined). Stuff like the Aliens series I don't consider Sci-Fi. But for the most part, the SyFy channel gets very little attention from me.
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It also brings into play why lightsaber fights are so vital to Star Wars movies. It is probably the most visually iconic image of Star Wars movies. And it is all about the movies. Having read way too many Star Wars novels, it becomes clear that lightsaber fights need to be seen. They are downright boring in the novels. But mixed with emotion, visually stunning FX and choreography, they are film magic.
^ It will be interesting to see what they do for Rogue One in this regard, as the only character likely to have a lightsaber is Darth Vader.
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It also brings into play why lightsaber fights are so vital to Star Wars movies.
^ It will be interesting to see what they do for Rogue One in this regard, as the only character likely to have a lightsaber is Darth Vader.
This is interesting because this is the first Star Wars movie I might actually be ok being free of lightsabers. This is the one where I am not only ok with re-inventing the wheel, but actually prefer it. I don't recall Vader ever taking out his saber except to face another saber. He's always been more like the angry/sad calm in the middle of the storm (as suited Vader). I kind of see him like Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Everybody else is running around like chickens with their heads cut off and he brings the focus back to the task at hand. Tosses out a few orders like a general thinking strategically. He slowly comes to them or plots to make sure he intersects their path, making his prey come to him. This is the Vader I hope to see in Rogue One. Although I'd accept it, I don't want them to invent the Star Trek red shirt jedi so he can have somebody to saber kill. It takes away from the desolation set up in A New Hope that makes the Force some ancient religion to be mocked by others (at their own peril).
Wow. This is the first time I've legitimately even started to think about Star Wars Rogue One with any detail. The anticipation like the Skywalker Saga Star Wars movies is there again.
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I can't remember if that would have been the first time in the movie we saw the saber, but it was a great shot either way.
Might have been the first time in terms of the trailer, but not the movie. Kylo pistol whipped Sydow with it. Then he pistol whipped the Star Destroyer with it. BTW, the close up angle shot of him igniting it in that tantrum scene was AWESOME. Then he batted away markswoman Rey's blaster fire with it. Then he sucker punched Solo with it.
Which reminds me. Some YT chick had a different take on the Solo death scene. That a) Kylo was asking Solo to kill him with his saber and/or b) Solo was the one that ignited the saber. I don't buy either one, but that type of talk is what makes talking about Star Wars fun.
As far as Sci-Fi, I'm actually only a marginal Sci-Fi fan. I liked most of the Star Trek movies, but never cared for the TV shows. I really enjoyed Battlestar Galactica 2.0 (re-imagined). Stuff like the Aliens series I don't consider Sci-Fi. But for the most part, the SyFy channel gets very little attention from me.
I figured the deleted saber shot wasn't the first time it was seen, being so late in the movie, but I haven't seen the movie since release day, so I couldn't quite remember. Maybe it wouldn't have had the same impact in the movie as it did in the trailer because of that, but I doubt the extra 10 seconds would have hurt the movie either. Oh well.
I'm a huuuuge scifi fan, but I don't really consider the Star Wars films scifi, which is why it doesn't appeal to my fanatical nerdiness, and probably part of why it has much wider appeal. I don't know if that would be controversial to Star Wars fans.
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It also brings into play why lightsaber fights are so vital to Star Wars movies.
^ It will be interesting to see what they do for Rogue One in this regard, as the only character likely to have a lightsaber is Darth Vader.
This is interesting because this is the first Star Wars movie I might actually be ok being free of lightsabers. This is the one where I am not only ok with re-inventing the wheel, but actually prefer it. I don't recall Vader ever taking out his saber except to face another saber. He's always been more like the angry/sad calm in the middle of the storm (as suited Vader). I kind of see him like Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Everybody else is running around like chickens with their heads cut off and he brings the focus back to the task at hand. Tosses out a few orders like a general thinking strategically. He slowly comes to them or plots to make sure he intersects their path, making his prey come to him. This is the Vader I hope to see in Rogue One. Although I'd accept it, I don't want them to invent the Star Trek red shirt jedi so he can have somebody to saber kill. It takes away from the desolation set up in A New Hope that makes the Force some ancient religion to be mocked by others (at their own peril).
Wow. This is the first time I've legitimately even started to think about Star Wars Rogue One with any detail. The anticipation like the Skywalker Saga Star Wars movies is there again.
I think I'm ok with there being no lightsabers too. I would be happy to see some scenes like the end of ESB, where Vader turns the saber off and starts force-flinging pieces of building around at Luke. To me, that's a lot more menacing that full-on duelling with his opponent. You definitely get a feeling of how powerful he is with the force, rather than just his ability with lightsaber.
I agree he should be the one calling the shots, and dealing with any, er, HR and staff disciplinary issues.. :P
https://youtu.be/Rl6OjLH7W5k
One thing the prequels did enforce for me is that Darth Vader is literally a cripple in a suit. The suit is acting like a life support machine rather than enhancing any sort of physical abilities.
"Redshirt Jedi" - love it! :D
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I'm a huuuuge scifi fan, but I don't really consider the Star Wars films scifi, which is why it doesn't appeal to my fanatical nerdiness, and probably part of why it has much wider appeal. I don't know if that would be controversial to Star Wars fans.
I doubt Star Wars fans would consider that controversial as most admit they like it because of the story arcs and characters with the SciFi part of it being greatly enjoyed, but not the core. The icing on the cake. We'd miss it if it was gone, but we realize it isn't a traditional SciFi story.
Dr. Who seems to be the goto for SciFi geeks. A chick tried to get me into Firefly, Farscape and Dr. Who. It isn't that I didn't like them, just that I didn't feel compelled to binge watch at all. Dr. Who has been going for so long that I don't even know where to begin.
I think Battlestar Galactica Reimagined is considered "too mainstream" by hardcore SciFi geeks as well, so that's why I think I'm just a casual SciFi fan. And some of it comes off as really, really bad.
And X-Files, V, Twilight Zone are a different kind of Sci-Fi as well. As a non-SciFi geek, I feel like the telltale sign is some longwinded explanation that is more exposition than plot or character in a show is the sign of true SciFi geekdom :P
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https://youtu.be/Rl6OjLH7W5k
One thing the prequels did enforce for me is that Darth Vader is literally a cripple in a suit. The suit is acting like a life support machine rather than enhancing any sort of physical abilities.
I remember that meditation chamber video. :lol
The prequels actually helped me look at the OT almost like new movies. But the meditation chamber in that video reminds me of something from the novelizations. (been awhile since I read them). Vader would go in there and it would be like a clean room where he'd take off his helmet, meditate and practice breathing without his iron lung suit. Trying to improve with each session. That type of stuff is great. And it really adds to the Revenge of the Sith scene where the mask is first being placed on him and his eyes widen because he immediately realizes he is about to be thrown into a claustrophobic hell at such a young age. Where surviving is worse than death.
The Dark Lord Trilogy novels are one of my favorite prequel era books. The first book is right before RotS and Anakin at the height of his powers. RotS adds some more depth to the movie (as most novelizations do) and Rise of Darth Vader is his rebirth (or walking dead) with him at his lowest getting used to his new reality. Chronologically, I'd rate the three books good, better, best.
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I'm looking forward to the inevitable RLM trailer reaction :biggrin:
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Did RLM do the Plinkett TFA yet? I'm not really waiting for it, but I'll watch it because I want to see what character he chooses.
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I'm a huuuuge scifi fan, but I don't really consider the Star Wars films scifi, which is why it doesn't appeal to my fanatical nerdiness, and probably part of why it has much wider appeal. I don't know if that would be controversial to Star Wars fans.
I doubt Star Wars fans would consider that controversial as most admit they like it because of the story arcs and characters with the SciFi part of it being greatly enjoyed, but not the core. The icing on the cake. We'd miss it if it was gone, but we realize it isn't a traditional SciFi story.
Dr. Who seems to be the goto for SciFi geeks. A chick tried to get me into Firefly, Farscape and Dr. Who. It isn't that I didn't like them, just that I didn't feel compelled to binge watch at all. Dr. Who has been going for so long that I don't even know where to begin.
I think Battlestar Galactica Reimagined is considered "too mainstream" by hardcore SciFi geeks as well, so that's why I think I'm just a casual SciFi fan. And some of it comes off as really, really bad.
And X-Files, V, Twilight Zone are a different kind of Sci-Fi as well. As a non-SciFi geek, I feel like the telltale sign is some longwinded explanation that is more exposition than plot or character in a show is the sign of true SciFi geekdom :P
Even though I love Doctor Who, I consider that very light on the scifi scale, but I'm a sucker for anything time travel. :lol I don't like the new BSG, but I thought everyone else loved it including the hardcore scifi geeks. I'm actually just finishing off the last few episodes of the original Twilight Zone now, and I'd argue it's the best and most influential scifi show of all time, even though not my absolute favourite. That and the original Star Trek had some similarities in their approach to scifi.
Scifi is a lot more than technobabble though! :lol I love that aspect of scifi when done properly (which it rarely is tbh), because it adds to the sense of believability and world building. A lot of shows just use it as throwaway excuse to intentionally confuse you into accepting what's happening, but when used well it's rewarding because it establishes consistent rules that you can anticipate and understand.
But I consider that as more of a surface level modern scifi attribute. Great scifi is often at a much deeper level than that, addressing important issues at an allegorical level and inspiring thought and change.
But I'm getting a bit off topic with my rant. :blob: With all of that in mind, I don't think of Star Wars as scifi, because I think it's very straight up about being a fun adventure, that just happens to have spaceships and pew pew lasers. It also has elements that put it more into fantasy to me. I love fantasy too though, so that's not a bad thing.
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Did RLM do the Plinkett TFA yet? I'm not really waiting for it, but I'll watch it because I want to see what character he chooses.
Not yet. I'm assuming they're waiting for the Blu Ray so they can take clips from it.
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ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY Official Teaser Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg)
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Ok I have no barometer that is calibrated when it comes to giving a reasoned response to the trailer. This looks exactly what I was hoping for.
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I can't watch it with sound right now, but it looked pretty awesome. Great combination of OT elements and the new style.
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" Weee - ooo Weee - ooo Weee - ooo Weee - ooo Weee - ooo Weee - ooo "
is the new Inception BBBWWWWAAAAHHHMMM..
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That looks freaking amazing! It's really an amazing time to be a Star Wars fan.
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And only 8 months away !
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It looks visually amazing, and of course seeing Forest Whitaker was awesome. I'm not over the moon excited, but I'm definitely intrigued.
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Yeah it didn't bring the nostalgia or excitement quite as much as the first TFA trailer .
I was wondering if it would have the same feel as TFA with a different director and cinematographer etc but it looks like it does.
FYI - in case anyone didn't know - it's directed by Gareth Edwards who directed that last Bryan Cranston Godzilla movie.
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So what do you think is going on with the silhouette of a sith-like robed person kneeling before what looks like a bacta-like tank flanked by two red Royal Imperial Guards?
One of my fears is that they start doing EU novel things with Palpatine/Vader/Luke clones with soul transfers. Don't think that it is it, but it reminded me of that fear.
Didn't see any Vader, the Emperor or Tarkin. I expected to see at least one.
I like Forest Whitaker, but I don't know how I feel about him in Star Wars. Star Wars has always been about lesser known actors so you can discover a character without any preconceptions. Samuel Jackson didn't make that crossover. Ewan did (and very well). Qui Gon Liam was in between.
The AT-ATs in the palm trees were incredibly cool. The ground level perspective made them very menacing.
The list of charges and the smug "I rebel" for the lead character was a bit much. People talking about how badass somebody is to let the audience know they are the badass usually doesn't work. Vader just walked down that corridor, looked around and then kept walking. The Stormtroopers stood at attention. No words. You knew he was *the* badass. Usually the person that talks how "they have the death sentence on twelve systems" are the punks. Looks like she goes all Aeon Flux in the end.
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It has one of my pet hates in trailers.
When someone says a line and then a shot of someone silently reacting - which you know doesn't happen in the film.
Also - check the cast list on Wikipedia - bottom of the list = NEIL BREEN. Either that's a joke or it's a cameo.
Finally - the lead actress looks like a young Princess Leia. Probably intentional.
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It looked really good. And I'm also positively surprised that they didn't even show Vader yet, considering he will most likely play a somewhat big part in it. They could have gone the easy way and just be all like "LOOK ITS VADER" but nope, they decided to show us what the movie will be like and it looks great.
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Imagine casual movie goers seeing this trailer and thinking " ??? Wait why does Rey look different and is Finn still in a coma and where's BB8 and there's another Death Star ?? WTF ? "
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I was pleasantly surprised - that was great! I'm looking forward to this now.. :)
AT-ATs were very cool. Nice to see the original storm troopers and star destroyer too.
So what do you think is going on with the silhouette of a sith-like robed person kneeling before what looks like a bacta-like tank flanked by two red Royal Imperial Guards?
One of my fears is that they start doing EU novel things with Palpatine/Vader/Luke clones with soul transfers. Don't think that it is it, but it reminded me of that fear.
Didn't see any Vader, the Emperor or Tarkin. I expected to see at least one.
Not sure who the hooded figure is, but it looked like something was going to appear or emerge from that 'tank' or whatever it is. Hopefully it's not a throwaway Sith like Darth Maul.
I think they will save Vader for a big reveal, like Han Solo's "Chewie, we're home" moment , in the full trailer.
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Imagine casual movie goers seeing this trailer and thinking " ??? Wait why does Rey look different and is Finn still in a coma and where's BB8 and there's another Death Star ?? WTF ? "
That's easily solved when they drop the first "real" trailer and they show Vader. As soon as (even casual moviegoers) see Vader, they will go "Ah, so this takes place before.. got it"
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It looked really good. And I'm also positively surprised that they didn't even show Vader yet, considering he will most likely play a somewhat big part in it. They could have gone the easy way and just be all like "LOOK ITS VADER" but nope, they decided to show us what the movie will be like and it looks great.
The first trailer for TFA didn't show any of the familiar characters either. It shows a lot of faith that they don't feel the need to rely on the nostalgia factor. And the death star and AT-ATs satisfy that for now.
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^^^^^^ What Blob said
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvqpFbRKtQ
The original New Hope trailer. I remember seeing it as a kid and was like,,,,,,,,,,,,, what the hell is this lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvqpFbRKtQ
The original New Hope trailer. I remember seeing it as a kid and was like,,,,,,,,,,,,, what the hell is this lol
That trailer is bad. :lol That low key sinister music made everything feel cheap and dull, and knowing nothing about this movie in advance, the whole thing was strangely paced and edited to reveal it for the first time. It seemed very incomplete.
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The black Stormtroopers looked cooler than I had imagined. And I'm perfectly ok that they are "new" like some of the other trooper variants in this trailer. They could be like the Seal Team 6 or black ops special forces team.
Somebody wondered if the robed *sith* was Snoke. I could see them trying to tie it together, but it also would feel gimmicky. But it would be kind of neat to have something like Snoke is originally charged with the mission to recover the plans. Maybe he is handsome (as hinted at) and maybe he even resides with people like Leia kind of like how Senator Palpatine was "just one of the guys", but is secretly training as a replacement to Vader because Vader is not working out due to his injuries.
It would be kind of cool if Snoke actually completes his mission and recovers the plans, but Vader senses that would mean the end for him so he intercepts Snoke and sabers him to within an inch of his life so Snoke goes into hiding until post-RotJ.
Or maybe Vader uses force powers to push Snoke into blaster fire and Snoke never even realizes it was Vader that betrayed him.
100% speculation, but I could see Disney trying to create some tie in. This would also give us a saber duel at the end without making it a throwaway Jedi (or redshirt Jedi).
Star Wars speculation is fun.
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:lol Yeah it was bad even for 1977. I get a kick from the line (even tho true) "from the director of American Graffiti" like AG to this sci fi thingy ??????????
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I'm confused. Wasn't the next Star Wars movie slated for December 2017?
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I'm confused. Wasn't the next Star Wars movie slated for December 2017?
Yes, the sequel to The Force Awakens will be December 2017. This movie is an "anthology" standalone movie set between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy. They're releasing standalone movies in every year inbetween the main series movies.
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Looks great.
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I am genuinely excited about this film now. Which is interesting, given that, other than the fact that it would be an automatic view because it has the Star Wars name attached to it, I had zero interest in it prior to today.
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I was interested in it because of the story and the director. And the fact that it's supposed to be a war film which just happens to be based in the SW universe.
It will probably be a lot darker than The Force Awakens.
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That looked pretty cool. Really looking forward to it.
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I wonder if Terl will make a cameo.
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Updated the title as this thread is clearly just the Star Wars thread.
Rogue One trailer looks excellent!
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Looks cool. I am looking forward to it.
I wonder what's up with that Grand Moff in the white uniform, or if that's supposed to be tarkin or something. Looks pretty badass either way.
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png.html)
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Did anyone catch the Emperor's Royal Guards at 1:17?!? :metal :metal :metal
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Looks cool. I am looking forward to it.
I wonder what's up with that Grand Moff in the white uniform, or if that's supposed to be tarkin or something. Looks pretty badass either way.
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png.html)
Most branches of the military, probably all, have more than one type of uniform. The "Dress Whites" or "Dress Blues" can be the fancy one worn to official functions and stuff, while the everyday uniform is green or khaki or whatever. This definitely looks like a Dress White, as opposed to the everyday uniform, which is a dark grey.
(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/c/c1/Tarkin1.png/revision/latest?cb=20130304023051)
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If they are using EU stuff (and they already have borrowed from it) the white uniform signifies Grand Admiral which outranks just about everybody.
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I assume that that is supposed to be Tarkin and that they obviously re-cast him. However, his rank plaque is different, so it may not be him. But he does have the same number of squares, and I don't know if the colors actually mean anything in the Imperial rank structure (sorry, my Star Wars geekdom does not extend that far). Also, since this takes place just prior to ANH, it is possible that he got an intervening promotion or change in duties that would have warranted the change. I am curious to know.
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I haven't read all here but bosk1, are you talking a descendant of Tarkin since he died in Episode IV?
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??? Uh...this film takes place BEFORE Ep. IV, so no, I mean Tarkin.
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I haven't read all here but bosk1, are you talking a descendant of Tarkin since he died in Episode IV?
It is official. Star Wars Rogue One is going to confuse a lot of people if it isn't titled Episode 3.99
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How damn! I did not know that. Cool. I'm trying to stay away from details but that's not a big deal for me.
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I haven't read all here but bosk1, are you talking a descendant of Tarkin since he died in Episode IV?
It is official. Star Wars Rogue One is going to confuse a lot of people if it isn't titled Episode III.XCIX
Fixed.
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The alarms that were going off in the trailer was very reminiscent of the Alien trailer, or which was reciprocated with Prometheus. Kind of gives it an eerie, sense of urgency. So much goodness. I can honestly say that I danced a bit when I first saw, especially that AT-AT scene :laugh:
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For those that played the PC game Dark Forces, I present the following evidence:
Rogue One main character: Jyn Orso
Dark Forces character: Jan Orso
Rogue One plot: Steal Death Star plans
Dark Forces first mission: Steal Death Star plans
Screenshot of Rogue One character:
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t34.0-12/12939638_10153392807716126_1821133979_n.png?oh=f72ca88e26fe27ce67716f26909dbb3e&oe=570A28F6)
Kyle Katarn:
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/12980506_10153392807296126_1843750558_n.png?oh=b477b12035d100b4719d6d4fc834b0d8&oe=570A36F1)
Rogue One: Dark Troopers
Dark Forces: Dark Trooper
Rogue One is Dark Forces: The Movie
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I can dig that.
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That didn't even occur to me, but that would be pretty badass if they were pulling ideas from Dark Forces.
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It's really an amazing time to be a Star Wars fan.
I'm not the biggest fan of SW but seeing how genuine the excitment is among fans for TFA, Rogue one and the future for the franchise makes me smile. Long time fans have been waited a long time to see a proper SW revival and now here we are.
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The trailer didn't blow me away like the ones for FA did but I'm still excited as hell to see this.
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Looks cool. I am looking forward to it.
I wonder what's up with that Grand Moff in the white uniform, or if that's supposed to be tarkin or something. Looks pretty badass either way.
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-07%20at%204.03.10%20PM_zpslnmkvjqp.png.html)
Wondering if thats the kind of clothing a Grand Admiral would wear as it isn't too dissimilar to what Thawn usually wore.
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^^^
Yeah, that just dawned on me as well. It's been like 15 years since I've read heir to the empire, so I totally forgot. But i am totally ready for a badass grand admiral, strategizing and kicking ass.
I am also very ready for some kyle katarn
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I was never a fan of the EU books, and am only familiar with some of the games, but I'm totally ok with them cherry-picking and modifying some of the best ideas from those other media, if it makes for a great movie.
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(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/rogueonesick_zpsz4eh4o0p.jpg)
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:tup
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WOW... it looks AWESOME!!! Can't wait till December! :metal :metal :metal
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https://www.tmz.com/2016/04/10/jake-lloyd-jail-mental-hospital/
Guy that played young Anakin,
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That's sad to hear. Hope he gets proper treatment if he really is schizophrenic.
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Life imitates art?
Really feel sorry for that *kid* as all I ever read is that he took a bunch of crap.
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Life imitates art?
Really feel sorry for that *kid* as all I ever read is that he took a bunch of crap.
Yup. Absolutely reprehensible to treat a little kid like that.
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Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. If you see footage from him at recent cons, he has issues. I wonder how much shit he's had to take for his part in TPM?
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I didn't think he was that bad in The Phantom Menace. I mean, he was a little kid acting the part of a little kid. It wasn't Oscar-worthy or anything, but I didn't think it was worse than most stuff I've seen with little kids in it. The fact that it was Star Wars put a huge target on him, set ridiculously high standards.
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NOBODY acted well in those movies. Not even Ewen McGregor.
The only person who looked like they gave a shit was Ian Mcdiarmid hamming it up as Palpy.
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Yeah, I won't criticize a kid for his acting performance, especially with the shitty dialogue and directing that few of the actors managed to make work. I give all of the blame to GL there. And for a kid actor, that's one hell of a role to land. His acting wasn't that bad all things considered.
It's just a shame for Jake Lloyd that he's forever associated with such an awful Star Wars movie, at a time when expectations were higher than ever.
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Agreed. Any problems anyone has with him should be on the role itself, not the acting. His acting was perfectly appropriate for his age and the role he was given.
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Episode VIII rumors.... https://theforce.net/story/front/Star_Wars_Episode_VIII_Return_Of_The_Rumors_168789.asp
some of these are beyond preposterous and I hope they are nowhere near the real story.
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I sure hope not.
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I wouldn't worry about these "leaks" as of now. They are still in the middle of the principal photography for EPVIII.
Lucasfilm is the best at keeping things under lock and key. I think it will be at least a year until we start hearing the first, somewhat credible script leaks.
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Just watched the SW Rebels Season 2 finale. Holy shit, that was epic.
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Just watched the SW Rebels Season 2 finale. Holy shit, that was epic.
Haven't posted in ages, but I figured I'd say something when someone chimes in about Rebels!
And dude, YES! So good wasn't it? Rebels is slowly starting to get into a tier similar to TCW and this finale was evidence of that!
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I'd say that finale is at least on par with my favourite TCW episodes. TCW was very good and I loved the focus on character development after about season 2 (mostly regarding the characters that were also in the SW movies) and I love the fact that they're starting to tie up the loose ends of TCW in Rebels now.
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Happy Star Wars Day everyone! May The Fourth be with you all!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohQReM7BpI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohQReM7BpI
^ Good.... good! :lol
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Finally got around to watching TFA and figured I'd post some musings before disappearing again until five months after the next one. All in all I found it enjoyable, despite being trite and occasionally hokey.
JJ certainly has a style. I'll give him that. With an existing franchise the actual story is irrelevant. It's familiarity and humor based on that familiarity that matters. That's what made the two ST movies bearable, and while this has more going for it than those two, it's still pretty damned important to TFA. While I'm sure it's been mentioned 1000 times over the last 112 pages, (I probably should have lobbied for the beginning of a new thread so I could get my deranged ramblings on page one) Han stole the show, and it's because he was the only character human enough to make all the throwbacks and sly humor work. Halfway through this I was thinking that the next one will suffer horribly in the absence of Han bringing home the nostalgia bacon. Luke, at this point as a character, doesn't have it in him.
I'm still not a fan of his cinematography, though this was an improvement over ST. He still wants to make the viewer feel like they're in the scene. While movies should feel immersive, it should be because the story draws you in, not because the world is exploding around you.
That said, the action sequences weren't all that bad, at least compared to ST. During a couple of the aerial fights you could actually get an idea of what was going on, rather than being a jumbled mess. The dogfighting low over the water was actually pretty nicely done. It was also refreshing to see people with light sabres doing their thing at normal speed, instead of 6FPS. It actually gives you the opportunity to sense what the hell is going through their head.
When you rely on throwbacks to make a movie, you often wind up with miraculous coincidences, and this is no exception. The Millennium Falcon lying around in the perfect spot (Oh, that thing hasn't flown for years) and then starting right the hell up. Han capturing them 5 minutes later. Heading straight to the magical Chinese woman who tells them all what they need to know, and also has Luke's lightsabre stashed in the basement for some odd reason. This is the sort of thing that just bugs me.
I actually didn't notice any scenes that were made specifically for video game tie-ins. That' refreshing. It does seem that JJ wants to do right by the franchise. It's not really what I want to see in a movie, but it's nevertheless entertaining. Part of the reason I didn't like the ST movies is because they're not ST in the slightest. Familiar characters but nothing else. This doesn't really feel much like SW to me, but it doesn't bother me nearly as much. I'm not enough of a SW fan to be offended by the change in direction. So to that end the familiarity and in-jokes are enough to make it alright in my book.
edit: Oh yeah, and how the hell did Leah and Han produce such an ugly child? That was really odd.
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edit: Oh yeah, and how the hell did Leah and Han produce such an ugly child? That was really odd.
I think someone used the force on Kylo's nose when he was a kid.
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Just caught up on Rebels. I was sceptical about it at first, being how cheesy some moments were in the beginning. But then the really cool shit started to happen, so now I'm on board. The season 2 finale was awesome.
Fuck Chopper though.
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edit: Oh yeah, and how the hell did Leah and Han produce such an ugly child? That was really odd.
I think someone used the force on Kylo's nose when he was a kid.
I wouldn't call Adam Driver ugly. I know i'm a hetero male but still..
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Watched TFA again this past weekend with the kiddos. After watching the saber battle again at the end it was pretty evident Kylo Ren was toying with Finn and show boating a bit. He defended every strike from him rather than go on the offensive and end it quick then pins him against the tree and toys with him a bit more and burns him....and it wasn't until Finn accidentally hit him in the shoulder then Kylo disarms him within seconds of that and slices him down the back.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohQReM7BpI
Glad someone mentioned these guys, my friend is the Darth Vader guitarist :tup
hoping their kickstarter is successful so they can tour :metal
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https://variety.com/2016/film/news/alden-ehrenreich-han-solo-spinoff-star-wars-1201754043/
Never heard of him, but apparently this guy is playing a young Han Solo in an upcoming spinoff movie.
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Anyone seen that thing going around with Mark Hamill's face photoshopped on Sebastian Stan and the caption " they're like twins !!!!1! "
Well yeah if you put Mark Hamill's entire face on another person.
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I just now saw that pic when googling who Sebastian Stan is, and it's very fake.
Nonetheless, there is a strong legit resemblance. Wish they'd chosen someone a bit more Han Solo looking for young Han.
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If you dress him and style his hair for the part, he'll look plenty like Han Solo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohQReM7BpI
Glad someone mentioned these guys, my friend is the Darth Vader guitarist :tup
hoping their kickstarter is successful so they can tour :metal
Yea awesome!! :metal
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SO...
I'm interested in Rogue One because it will be interesting to see a film set around the time of Episode 4.
Also Episodes 8 and 9 to continue the "main" story.
I don't really have any interest in the solo Han Solo movie beyond the fact that Lord & Miller are making it. ***
The Lego Movie & the first Cloudy With Meatballs movie were both great. The second one without them was terrible.
Never seen 21/22 Jump Street though.
One thing i'm fearful about for Episodes 8 and 9 is them overusing BB8. He was pitched *perfectly* in 7.
*** EDIT : Lawrence Kasdan is writing the Han Solo movie and Miller / Lord are directing ? I'm in ! But have like 0 interest in the third Anthology movie.
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Rumor going around that the title of Episode VIII will be Fall of the Resistance.
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I've seen so many rumours about Star Wars in the past few years that I don't believe anything until it's confirmed. However, I'd like that title and what it implies, and it would sorta half mirror the OT again.
I'd say it's too blunt and descriptive, but then I realized that explains most Star Wars titles. :lol
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I've certainly heard worse prospective titles.
Hell, I've heard worse ACTUAL titles in the series.
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....and I just went on Facebook to see an article stating it's NOT the title. :lol
I've certainly heard worse prospective titles.
Hell, I've heard worse ACTUAL titles in the series.
Attack of the Clones could be a Z-movie title.
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....and I just went on Facebook to see an article stating it's NOT the title. :lol
Well, chances were slim, anyway.
Hopefully they pick one that is just as decent.
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I mean, I remember feeling kind of meh when the 'The Force Awakens' name was revealed because it seemed pretty...general? I dunno, the Force is obviously one of the series' main elements, and there was a new trilogy announced so it was kind of 'obvious' it would awaken or come back or something to that extent (that was pretty much my reasoning back then) until I saw the film and it tied up nicely with Rey's storyline.
The only thing I hope of VIII is that is strays away from being the 'dark film' of the trilogy. Not another Empire Strikes Back, please.
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....and I just went on Facebook to see an article stating it's NOT the title. :lol
I've certainly heard worse prospective titles.
Hell, I've heard worse ACTUAL titles in the series.
Attack of the Clones could be a Z-movie title.
For me, it's only really the first in each trilogy that have actually had good titles. A New Hope, The Phantom Menace and The Force Awakens are all pretty good. I find that the rest all basically suck (not that it matters in the slightest). Even "Star Wars" is pretty tacky.
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I think The Force Awakens is the best SW title.
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The only thing I hope of VIII is that is strays away from being the 'dark film' of the trilogy. Not another Empire Strikes Back, please.
I agree that I don't want a rehash of Empire, but the second act is traditionally the darkest one, where the heroes are at their lowest point. It will be interesting to see where it goes, but it would be great if it didn't stay in safe territory as much as TFA.
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....and I just went on Facebook to see an article stating it's NOT the title. :lol
I've certainly heard worse prospective titles.
Hell, I've heard worse ACTUAL titles in the series.
Attack of the Clones could be a Z-movie title.
For me, it's only really the first in each trilogy that have actually had good titles. A New Hope, The Phantom Menace and The Force Awakens are all pretty good. I find that the rest all basically suck (not that it matters in the slightest). Even "Star Wars" is pretty tacky.
I guess you're right. Anything with "Revenge" in the title is kinda cool, but then I remember Revenge of the Nerds. All of the names besides the ones you've mentioned are quite blunt and descriptive. "Star Wars" falls under the same group I suppose, but I'm so used to it after knowing the name forever that it's not something you think about. Once you associate a name with something, you don't give much thought to it at a purely literal level.
I remember all of the complaints and jokes about the name "The Force Awakens", but I thought it was a pretty good title from the start, and now that people have seen the movie associated with it, the jokes appear to have mostly dissipated too (or maybe they just ran out of jokes :P ).
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Yeah definitely. One a product has established itself, then only the goofiest (or most inappropriate) of names tends to still sound/read weirdly, as we just associate them with the products. None of the Star Wars ones are that bad, so you only really notice when you step back and look at what the words actually mean.
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Once they finish the spin offs and episode 9, I wouldn't mind seeing them start exploring the knights of the old republic era for film material
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Once they finish the spin offs and episode 9, I wouldn't mind seeing them start exploring the knights of the old republic era for film material
That would be a fantastic idea!
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I doubt that ever happens.
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They'll have to do something. They said they have no intention of stopping after Episode 9.
I'm no SW nerd but from what I gather they've thrown out all the EU stuff so either it's 100% original films or they draw from something in canon.
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Personally, I have no interest in stuff that supposedly happened thousands of years ago. My investment in Star Wars is because of the characters we have already been introduced too and the continuation of their stories. I would assume that any future SW films will go into the future or into the past of characters/storylines we already know (like these first two announced "saga" films).
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I get both sides. I'm going to just try to not have any preconceived notions. Whatever the story ends up being, if it is done well, I will probably like it. To draw a parallel, I was never really into the Marvel characters Iron Man, Hulk, or Daredevil at all (was more of a Spider Man and X-Men/mutants fan, and occasionally Captain America), but I have REALLY enjoyed what Marvel has done with those characters in the films and TV series. Same with GotG. I thought that had "flop" written all over it, and I had precisely zero interest in seeing it. Man was I wrong. I may not have any automatic interest in a Star Wars storyline thousands of years before the lives of the main characters either. But if done really well, my interest level will take care of itself.
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Well yeah, if it's good, then great.
But I think any such things are better left in the book world.
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So....
Disney Orders Reshoots for 'Star Wars' Stand-Alone 'Rogue One' This Summer
Executives felt it was tonally off with what a “classic” 'Star Wars' movie should feel like.
Star Wars stand-alone movie Rogue One: A Star Wars Story will undergo several weeks’ worth of additional shooting, sources have confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter.
Much of the cast and director Gareth Edwards will regroup in mid-June for another round of shooting. The move is happening after execs screened the film and felt it was tonally off with what a “classic” Star Wars movie should feel like. The pic has not yet been tested before audiences, but one source describes the cut as having the feel of a war movie.
The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.
Rogue One focuses on the fabled mission hinted at in Star Wars: Episode IV — A New Hope, that of a group of rebels stealing the plans to the Death Star. The plans later end up in the hands of Princess Leia, who transfers them to R2-D2.
“This is the closest thing to a prequel ever,” a source tells THR. “This takes place just before A New Hope and leads up to the 10 minutes before that classic film begins. You have to match the tone!”
And while it’s not confirmed, some suggest that the new shooting could pave the way for an appearance of Han Solo as played by Alden Ehrenreich. The actor only recently nabbed the role of the spice smuggler and was not involved in Rogue One’s principal photography, which ran from last August to February.
Disney re-introduced audiences to Star Wars with Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which garnered excellent reviews and grossed over $2 billion worldwide, becoming the third-highest-grossing movie of all time. Sources say that while Edwards’ first cut was a solid showing, it didn’t measure up to the bar set in terms of four-quadrant appeal.
“Anything less than extraordinary won’t do,” says a studio insider.
Reshoots or additional shooting are practically a given in this decade of tentpole comic book, fantasy and sci-fi moviemaking. The films are massive productions, filled with so much green-screen and fit together in a way that, more often than not, demands for shooting to fill in holes or clarify plots. Even acting deals have the shoots in mind when contracts call for “run of show” appearances, which include not just shooting anytime during production but even during postproduction, say several agency sources.
The New York Post first reported about the Star Wars reshoots.
"The feel of a war movie" is exactly what was promised to fans, and what many fans including myself were hoping for and were excited about. Let Episode 7, 8 and 9 be the "fun" ones. I'd like the anthology films to present a different side of the Star Wars universe.
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Reshoots like this happen on every movie, but there's no mention of it delaying the release, so hopefully it's just minor stuff being tweaked and added.
The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.
Yeah, don't much like the sound of that. I hope it's not just adding more "poodoo" jokes to keep the kids happy. :lol
I'm with you - I'd like to see a grittier, edgier movie, rather than something that's just fan service.
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I'm ok with the reshoots. This is the first anthology film, and they need this to be as good as possible right off the bat, like they needed to with TFA. On top of that, expectations will be high, connecting directly to ANH.
I'd been wondering just how close to the start of ANH it would connect, so that news excites me.
I think they got the tone just right on TFA, and I'd be surprised if they messed up Rogue One.
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I think that all of the "controversy" over these reshoots is blown a little out of proportion. I am not worried at all.
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Having a studio meddle with a director's creative vision can be a disaster. But if there's one studio I trust to meddle and get it right, it's Disney. Reading the entire article and putting all the comments in context, it seems like they just want to make sure to get it right, and I trust that they will. And the added bonus is that we may perhaps at some point get a true "director's cut" out of this. :D
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Having a studio meddle with a director's creative vision can be a disaster. But if there's one studio I trust to meddle and get it right, it's Disney. Reading the entire article and putting all the comments in context, it seems like they just want to make sure to get it right, and I trust that they will. And the added bonus is that we may perhaps at some point get a true "director's cut" out of this. :D
And Star Wars has already proven that sometimes the director's creative vision could do with some meddling. :neverusethis:
I think it's just a matter of having this movie hit every mark and appeal to a wide audience. TFA has gained Disney/Lucasfilm the benefit of the doubt for now imo.
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And Star Wars has already proven that sometimes the director's creative vision could do with some meddling. :neverusethis:
Indeed.
Like bosky, I trust Disney.
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This was the same director that did Godzilla 2014, so, while I liked that movie quite a bit, I have no problem with Disney meddling.
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Having a studio meddle with a director's creative vision can be a disaster. But if there's one studio I trust to meddle and get it right, it's Disney. Reading the entire article and putting all the comments in context, it seems like they just want to make sure to get it right, and I trust that they will. And the added bonus is that we may perhaps at some point get a true "director's cut" out of this. :D
And Star Wars has already proven that sometimes the director's creative vision could do with some meddling. :neverusethis:
I think it's just a matter of having this movie hit every mark and appeal to a wide audience. TFA has gained Disney/Lucasfilm the benefit of the doubt for now imo.
Yeah, true. I didn't bring that up just because Lucas is no longer involved anyway, so I didn't see the point. But you are of course absolutely correct in citing that example.
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Having a studio meddle with a director's creative vision can be a disaster. But if there's one studio I trust to meddle and get it right, it's Disney. Reading the entire article and putting all the comments in context, it seems like they just want to make sure to get it right, and I trust that they will. And the added bonus is that we may perhaps at some point get a true "director's cut" out of this. :D
And Star Wars has already proven that sometimes the director's creative vision could do with some meddling. :neverusethis:
I think it's just a matter of having this movie hit every mark and appeal to a wide audience. TFA has gained Disney/Lucasfilm the benefit of the doubt for now imo.
I read that Disney already made back the $4bn they paid for Lucasfilm *just* from TFA merchandise so whatever happens - they're laughing.
But I don't expect Rogue One to make any less than $800m
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Watched Ep. VII again this weekend. To go back to the Rey/Kylo duel debate: During the duel (and throughout the movie), I was more attuned to the argument that maybe Ren just wasn't that good a sabre fighter and not very strong in the force anyway, hence partially explaining why she was able to beat him. But I really don't think that was it. He handled his sabre just fine. And at various points in the duel when he was fighting either Fin or Rey, he did appear to just be toying with them and making them suffer a bit. At the end of the day, I think Rey beating him just came down to the fact that the good guy needs to win the light sabre fight at the end of the movie, and JJ tried to make it a bit more plausible by having Kylo wounded so badly. No need to overthink it. It just is what it is, and if you aren't the kind of person that can suspend belief and just roll with it, then Star Wars probably isn't for you anyway, since there are plenty of other inconsistencies you have to suspend belief for in order for the story to work anyway (and that is true of all the prior episodes, not just TFA).
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Agreed. Star Wars does have lots of depth, but it's not a "think hard" kind of story and it never has been.
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Unless I'm missing something, which is very possible, Kylo-Rey wasn't even the first instance in the series of someone with no light saber experience beating a veteran. In the original trilogy, Luke gets no formal training, but still manages to beat Vader because he gets pissed and the dark side of the force takes over for a minute. Seems like literally the exact same thing that happened with Rey. :lol
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I thought Obi-Wan gave Luke the basics, then Luke went on to train with Yoda, all before facing Darth Vader. We saw Obi-Wan get Luke started on the light saber with the blind training. I don't specifically remember any light saber training with Yoda, but it seems like it would've been part of it.
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I thought Obi-Wan gave Luke the basics, then Luke went on to train with Yoda, all before facing Darth Vader. We saw Obi-Wan get Luke started on the light saber with the blind training. I don't specifically remember any light saber training with Yoda, but it seems like it would've been part of it.
These are all really good points, but the way I see it is: Even if we assume that Luke had a few years of light saber training before VI, that still probably wouldn't have been enough to take down Vader if light saber fighting were purely skill based. I could dedicate the next five years of my life to tennis, but I'm still not beating Novak Djokovic.
To me, it seems like light saber fighting is more about the force, being in tune with the force, and emotion as opposed to experience, training, or anything like that.
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We could debate it endlessly, but there isn't much point to it. But to briefly go back to my point and compare it to the Luke/Vader scenario, I still don't think they are comparable. You are right that a few years training may not make one capable of going toe to toe with a master. But it is still MUCH more plausible than someone with zero experience. So, again, I just don't think this is "more of the same." It really is a different situation.
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He handled his sabre just fine. And at various points in the duel when he was fighting either Fin
The last time I watched it a couple weeks ago with the kiddos I made a point to watch the Ren/Fin fight closely.....which revealed that Ren was absolutely toying with Fin the entire time and not five seconds after Fin lands that lucky strike against Ren.....Ren disarms and then delivered that near fatal blow to him. Which...was his first 'offensive' strike, until that point he was just defending what Fin was throwing at him rather easily....at one point toying with him with the side saber shoulder burn.
As far as his fight with Rey....he wasn't trying to kill her either and it wasn't until she relied on the Force (the same Force that helped her fly the Falcon with such expertise) that she was able to overtake the very wounded Ren. I think it was Zantera who made the point that JJ specifically included three or four scenes that illustrated just how powerful Chewbaccas crossbow laser gun was....then Ren takes a full blast right to the gut with it and the thing hardly budges him on the walkway. He's beating his side the entire dual between he Fin/Rey obviously "manning" himself up and is clearly weakened despite him not wanting to show it.
I would suspect the next saber battle he is in is much more decisive and intense
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Yea, no point arguing about it all day. I think the main point I'm trying to make is just that the Kylo-Rey duel wasn't some massive plot hole, which a lot of people on the interwebz complained about. For one, this is Star Wars and it's not really worth thinking about too much. Second, if you are a geek like me and drill into it anyway, there are a lot of reasonable explanations for it.
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Interesting news today. Forest Whitaker's role in Rogue One is revealed to be Saw Gerrera, a character from the animated series The Clone Wars, which will probably be a big deal to fans of that show (congrats!) but doesn't mean diddly-poo to me.
Also, Darth Vader confirmed to show up.
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James Earl Jones almost certainly doing the voice i'd have thought.
Is David Prowse still around ? I know he didn't speak but it would be right to have him in the suit again if he's still alive.
Google says he is alive but 80 so they could have him for talky shots but not for running, jumping, climbing trees shots.
Kinda like Peter Mayhew in Episode 7.
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James Earl Jones almost certainly doing the voice i'd have thought.
Is David Prowse still around ? I know he didn't speak but it would be right to have him in the suit again if he's still alive.
Google says he is alive but 80 so they could have him for talky shots but not for running, jumping, climbing trees shots.
Kinda like Peter Mayhew in Episode 7.
Oh, I so hope there are Vader climbing trees scenes.
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James Earl Jones almost certainly doing the voice i'd have thought.
Is David Prowse still around ? I know he didn't speak but it would be right to have him in the suit again if he's still alive.
Google says he is alive but 80 so they could have him for talky shots but not for running, jumping, climbing trees shots.
Kinda like Peter Mayhew in Episode 7.
Oh, I so hope there are Vader climbing trees scenes.
:lol
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"Lord Vader, what are you doing up there?"
"Trying to get Kitty down."
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"Lord Vader, what are you doing up there?"
"Trying to get Kitty down."
Vader I always assumed you were crazy but now you are up a tree I can clearly see you're nuts.
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Interesting news today. Forest Whitaker's role in Rogue One is revealed to be Saw Gerrera, a character from the animated series The Clone Wars, which will probably be a big deal to fans of that show (congrats!) but doesn't mean diddly-poo to me.
Also, Darth Vader confirmed to show up.
I love that they are including the animated shows! Really brings the canon full circle
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"Lord Vader, what are you doing up there?"
"Trying to get Kitty down."
Vader I always assumed you were crazy but now you are up a tree I can clearly see you're nuts.
:lol
I don't think Dave Prowse will be returning any time soon. He had a big falling out with Lucasfilm / GL, apparently over the fact that he allegedly leaked an important piece of info about Luke's parentage in ESB:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/14/star-wars-darth-vader-david-prowse_n_8804340.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/20/does-darth-vader-actor-david-prowse-still-hate-star-wars.html
Plus, I think he has some physical limitations these days with his age, so his tree climbing days might be over.. :biggrin:
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(https://i.imgur.com/PhgmuOc.jpg)
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That is a strange looking poster. Is it official?
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Yep
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/753973051784658944
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How dare the Empire ruin the Rebels vacation in Guatamala
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That is a strange poster. Not sure I dig it.
I hope they're not trying to remarket this film as a fun romp.
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Great news!!! Grand Admiral Thrawn is now canon!!!! He will appear in season 3 of Rebels!
https://go.ign.com/2iDfZLd
Grand Admiral Thrawn is once again a part of the official Star Wars canon.
The trailer for Season 3, shown at Star Wars Celebration 2016 in London, confirmed inclusion of the iconic Expanded Universe villain.
The character first appeared in Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy of novels (1991-1993), but was placed under the Star Wars Legends banner (non-canonical story) on April 25, 2014, when Lucasfilm trimmed back the Expanded Universe in preparation for the upcoming sequel trilogy, beginning with The Force Awakens.
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h500-q90-c1000:500/wp-content/uploads/star-wars-rebels-season-3-grand-admiral-thrawn-actor.jpg)
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I don't consider that great news. The EU should all stay dead.
Rogue One is shaping up to be pretty damn good though. I like the poster, intentionally blending the very familiar image of the Death Star with a completely new setting. I think the space monkey guy is already going to be my favourite thing. :lol
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I read so many books after the first 3 movies I can separate the movies from everything else.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8&list=PLW9Ce0xHxBJ_YDndn90UpqIRDszo4228A&index=6
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:lol
Guilty!
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Thrawn is canon? That is fucking awesome!
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Thrawn in incredible. One of my favorite characters :metal
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What is Thrawn's second name ?
Thocktail ? :neverusethis:
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Not meaning to beat a dead horse on the Rey/saber handling question but her abilities didn't seem crazy far fetched to me. I mean, she exhibited some really good staff wielding skills earlier in the movie. Add to that, her awakening force abilities. Plus, like others have mentioned, Ren didn't exactly come across as a saber master.
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Star Wars Episode 8 has officially wrapped principal photography.
18 months to go :p
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Star Wars Episode 8 has officially wrapped principal photography.
18 months to go :p
It's going to be long wait. :'(
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Star Wars Episode 8 has officially wrapped principal photography.
18 months to go :p
It's going to be long wait. :'(
Nah.... Rogue One is coming in between that and (at least for me) the friggin' years are flying by...I mean, it's essentially F'n August already this year...WTF?.....it'll feel like tomorrow when I'm sitting in the theater watching Episode 8
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I don't care about the wait for Ep 8 at all. I'm still looking forward to Rogue One for the moment. Looking great so far.
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Yea, pretty pumped for Rogue One.
I'm wondering though, since they're making one every year, do you think they'll stop being special? At some point I'll feel like we'll just go "Yea that rocked....so when's the next one?" Rather than really savoring the one we just saw.
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That was my biggest concern when they first announced their strategy of a movie every year, but so far at least I think they realize the importance of keeping the quality high. How long can they continue to put out a movie every year, and keep it special without people taking it for granted? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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At the very least, I get the sense that Rogue One is shaping up to be perhaps the best looking Star Wars film to date, between all the practical effects and gorgeous locations.
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That was my biggest concern when they first announced their strategy of a movie every year, but so far at least I think they realize the importance of keeping the quality high. How long can they continue to put out a movie every year, and keep it special without people taking it for granted? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think as long as the films stay good then the demand will be there. Plus, if they get them done earlier enough they'll have plenty of time to build up hype. I mean Episode 8 is done filming and it won't be released for almost 18 months.
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It's funny that people are shocked how much Harrison Ford got paid for TFA compared to the new actors.
You don't get a $20m+ salary for your first ever movie.
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Having Ford in that movie brought in more than $20 mill in additional box office so I am sure Disney didn't think more than a second about that contract.
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Sounds like Disney is planning on having mulitple young Han Solo films.
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Sounds like Disney is planning on having mulitple young Han Solo films.
YAWN.
Which will reveal everything about him that didn't need revealing. . .
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How Han won the Millennium Falcon !
How Han knows Jabba The Hut !
How Han got his blaster !!
How Han met Chewie and why they're so close !!
::) They'll take all the mystery out of his character.
- mind you - I know fuck all about the EU - it may all have been revealed in books / comic already....
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The only reason I'd like to see more is to see more of the SW universe in earlier days. That's about the only thing I really like about SW these days is the actual environments, planets, lore and such. Other than that...yeah, that seems like nothing more than a cash grab. Which is nothing new, but it does tarnish the name a bit right when they're building that very same thing back up from what it's been for quite some time.
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Here's something really cool I stumbled across yesterday: it's Episodes 1 through 6, condensed into 99 seconds, a capella, by a super talented dude.
Paint - Star Wars in 99 seconds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22mdHYEzKC0)
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How Han won the Millennium Falcon !
How Han knows Jabba The Hut !
How Han got his blaster !!
How Han met Chewie and why they're so close !!
There are all potentially good stories.
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The only reason I'd like to see more is to see more of the SW universe in earlier days. That's about the only thing I really like about SW these days is the actual environments, planets, lore and such. Other than that...yeah, that seems like nothing more than a cash grab. Which is nothing new, but it does tarnish the name a bit right when they're building that very same thing back up from what it's been for quite some time.
Yeah, but at the end of the day, if it's done well, who cares if it is a cash grab? If it works, and we get to see some good movies, I don't really mind helping fund their cash grab. In fact, I'll gladly do so.
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When isn't most big budget movies a cash grab? That's never been a reason for me to see or not to see a movie.
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At the top of the ladder, sure releasing a Star Wars movie every year is a cash grab for Disney. They didn't spend 4 billion dollars on Star Wars to not make money from it.
However, most of the people working on these movies is a passionate Star Wars fan who grew up with these movies, and doesn't want them to suck any more than we do. To these young actors, it's not a cash grab. It's an amazing opportunity to be part of a beloved franchise and prove themselves. To the set builders who recreated the Millennium Falcon in full scale down to the smallest detail, it's not a cash grab. It's a fanboy's dream.
I think Disney knows that the best way to milk money from the franchise is to keep the quality high, which makes for a win-win situation.
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When isn't most big budget movies a cash grab? That's never been a reason for me to see or not to see a movie.
I would just differentiate between the mindset of "Let's make a great movie that will make lots of money" and "Let's just make lots of money on whatever this thing is"
Star Wars and the Marvel movies definitely feel like the first mindset, and Transformers and the like feel like the second.
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I think Disney knows that the best way to milk money from the franchise is to keep the quality high, which makes for a win-win situation.
Absolutely, and they've proven it with Marvel and Pixar already.
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Everyone wants to make a great movie, because especially in franchise-potential IPs, if you make a great movie, you'll not only make money on that one, but on future sequels, prequels and spin offs as well. I think the problem/difference between something like the Star Wars universe and the Transformers universe is the people in charge. Michael Bay put out the first one and it made a lot of money, so ever since then, he has been offered to come back because they know his movies make the money. Disney have mapped out the next 50 years of Star Wars movies and they know that they have to make their movies great, or otherwise a lot of potential moneymakers in the future won't be made because they screwed up their own cinematic universe. With something like Transformers, the stakes are not as high. If Transformers 5 flops, or whenever Michael Bay is done with it, they can just go back to the drawing board and maybe have a different take on it.
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Everyone wants to make a great movie
I think this is mostly true. But there is a difference between merely "wanting" to make a great movie on one hand, versus being confident in the ability to deliver the best product possible and coupling that with all available human and monetary resources to pull it off. Yeah, if asked, most would say they want to make good movies and wouldn't admit they want to make something that sucks. But there are lots of levels of desire, ability, and understanding of how to do that in a way that will be meaningful to fans. I think Disney gets it on every level and has made a commitment to deliver.
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I agree with pretty much everything that's been written on this page. Yes, the Star Wars films are ultimately a cash grab for Disney, but Disney also understands that it's really import they make awesome movies, and so they're hiring amazing people to make them that have their heart in it for the right reasons. It probably won't always be this way, but at least for now, it kind of seems like everyone is winning (the fans, the studio, and the various creative teams).
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It may not always be this way, but it pretty much always has been, and I don't see that changing. Basically everybody alive today grew up with Disney movies, be they animated features or live-action, musicals, whatever, and I've always considered them very high quality. Sure, you get to a certain age where you see how cheesey it is sometimes, or you feel like you're too old for the kiddie stuff or "feel good" stuff, but it's always high quality stuff. I really don't see that changing at all.
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Newest Rogue One trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY
Wow. This looks incredible. Some of the visuals are just so god damn beautiful that I'm in awe.
However, after Suicide Squad, I've become a bit more suspicious of amazing looking trailers.
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Again, looking great to me. Hopefully the story holds up to the rest.
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Rogue One seemed to be extremely promising to me right since the first teaser.
It may very well be a new hope (sorry :biggrin:) for the first good movie in the franchise since 1983.
Greetings...
Nef
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If you didn't like TFA, I'm not sure Rogue One will fare any better. Even though it's not JJ, it's still going to be from the same school of modern Hollywood film making.
Personally, I do expect this will be a better film overall than TFA though.
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The trailer was great! I think I'm looking forward to this more than I was for TFA..
The new characters look good (great choice for Mon Mothma!), and the design of the ships and vehicles was spot on. I hope they give Vader more screen time than just a brief cameo.
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Trailer was amazing. Had goosebumps by the end. Can't wait!
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Big weekend for my kiddos. I bought the Prequel Trilogy today....gonna watch one movie a night starting tonight. I recently started watching CLONE WARS on Netflix with my two oldest and they've had a ton of questions and have never seen the Prequels.
I was trying to recall when the last time I watched any one of them was and it was easily 10 years ago....probably longer. I'm going to go into it with a 'fresh' outlook and see if I've judged them too harshly.
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Spoiler alert: You have not judged them too harshly. They're just bad. :lol
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Spoiler alert: You have not judged them too harshly. They're just bad. :lol
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Spoiler alert: You have not judged them too harshly. They're just bad. :lol
:lol
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Um, yeah.
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Well, I hope the boys like them. :(
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Watched that R1 about 10 times already! :tup
Judging by the trailer, the movie is going to look visually stunning. Im hoping characters and story hold up as well. Im probably most excited, to see what Ben Mendelsohn is going to do with his character.
Also interested to see how Vader and Saw Gerrera from the Clone Wars show, are going to fit into this!
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Episode I is easily the worst film. Episode II is okay. LOVE Episode III. Also, I have 2 episodes left of Clone Wars, just make sure to watch in chronological order. Fantastic show that makes the questionable things in Episode I and II more tolerable. If you haven't yet, you should start watching Rebels. Lots of tie ins to Clone Wars.
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Well, I hope the boys like them. :(
I think they probably will. My 7 year old thought they were great.
I watched them with him fairly recently after not having seen them since they were released. We had to break up each movie into about 4 viewing sections due to bed time, etc and I think that really helped to break up the stuff that sucked so it wasn't so overwhelming all at once.
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just make sure to watch in chronological order.
We are. Been watching a couple episodes at a time when we get the chance. We're nearly done with the first season.
We will probably move on to Rebels after we finish Clone Wars.
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Episode I is easily the worst film. Episode II is okay. LOVE Episode III.
Bingo.
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Episode III is the best just by dint of being the least shit.
Episode I has the Podrace which is fun but that's about it.
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Episode III is the best just by dint of being the least shit.
Yeah, I honestly think Episode III is REALLY BAD. It's just maybe a little bit less bad than I and II.
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Episode III is the best just by dint of being the least shit.
Episode I has the Podrace which is fun but that's about it.
Yup.
Episode 1 actually good elements. I loved Qui gon Jin. I liked large parts of the three way light saber fight.
Not much more sadly.
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There was a lot more to it that I found good. The entire opening sequences aboard the Trade Federation ship. The political intrigue. Seeing more of Tatooine, and how it truly was corrupt and in the grip of the Huts. Corruscant, the Senate, and the Jedi Temple. The Gungans as a race, apart from Jar Jar. It's just that at any given moment, you'd get something ridiculous to undermine the coolness. For as interesting as the Gungans could have been, we got Jar Jar. For as interesting as Tatooine was, we got a pod race with a silly tone and Anakin just getting lucky rather than really showing that he could subconsciously tap into the force. As with all the prequel trilogy movies, I felt like Lucas gave us plenty of reasons to like each and every one of them, but then completely distracted us with reasons to hate them. There is plenty of good there. But if I am too busy trying to explain away the bad, it ceases to be worth it.
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There was a lot more to it that I found good. The entire opening sequences aboard the Trade Federation ship. The political intrigue. Seeing more of Tatooine, and how it truly was corrupt and in the grip of the Huts. Corruscant, the Senate, and the Jedi Temple. The Gungans as a race, apart from Jar Jar. It's just that at any given moment, you'd get something ridiculous to undermine the coolness. For as interesting as the Gungans could have been, we got Jar Jar. For as interesting as Tatooine was, we got a pod race with a silly tone and Anakin just getting lucky rather than really showing that he could subconsciously tap into the force. As with all the prequel trilogy movies, I felt like Lucas gave us plenty of reasons to like each and every one of them, but then completely distracted us with reasons to hate them. There is plenty of good there. But if I am too busy trying to explain away the bad, it ceases to be worth it.
I think those things are great ideas. If executed well, they would have been good, but I feel for much of those, Lucas missed the mark.
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Episode III is the best just by dint of being the least shit.
That's how I feel. It's because the standard of the first two was so low that I'd consider Ep 3 the "best" of them, plus there's a bit more nostalgia with seeing Vader. But I actually found it entirely boring, and predictable, since we basically know how it ends going in. The last half hour was tedious just seeing it do the obligatory connect slot A to tab B. There wasn't anything about the movie I'd actually call "good".
But nonetheless I think most of us agree it is relatively better than Ep 1 & 2.
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Spoiler alert: You have not judged them too harshly. They're just bad. :lol
Um, yeah.
OK...you guys tried to warn me. Yeah....that was actually worse than I remembered. I actually can't get over just how incredibly dry and stagnate the characters are. Other than the little kid who played Anakin...who sucked IMO....it's not like those were horrible actors. It proves to me that Lucas really can't direct, and....he should consider himself incredibly fortunate to get the praise he does. STAR WARS is an awesome idea and universe and he did 'create' it....but man....that was a brutal movie to watch.
My kids said they liked it but even they questioned the ending and the droid war on Naboo. My middle son laughed out loud at the animation and said 'it's like they put a cartoon in the middle of the movie'. I know that technology has advanced 10 fold since that movie was made but man...it was glaringly obvious just how animated the large portion of that movie was and when compare to TFA and the practical effects it's no wonder TFA was such a breath of fresh air.
Episode II tonight.....
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Don't expect Ep II to be any better. :lol Many people even consider it worse (although I personally think Ep I is untouchably bad). Ep III is the only one I think anyone has a chance of truly liking.
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Don't expect Ep II to be any better. :lol Many people even consider it worse (although I personally think Ep I is untouchably bad). Ep III is the only one I think anyone has a chance of truly liking.
I can sit through The Phantom Menace. I can't say that about Attack Of The Clones. Horribly boring. Plot is impossible to follow ( plus I probably wasn't paying attention )....and horrible
lurve story.
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I can't sit through TPM at all. Kid Anakin fumbling his way to being the hero is beyond insufferable throughout.
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I recently rewatched all of them, and it wouldn't be DTF without rankings, so here you go:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
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Looks like a pretty damn agreeable ranking to me.
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Looks like a pretty damn agreeable ranking to me.
Yep. That's exactly how I'd rank them.
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I recently rewatched all of them, and it wouldn't be DTF without rankings, so here you go:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
Switch TPM for AoTC and you got mine.
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I recently rewatched all of them, and it wouldn't be DTF without rankings, so here you go:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
Switch TPM for AoTC and you got mine.
Same here! AoTC is so bad that i was laughing the whole way through, when i saw it recently. TPM has a couple of redeeming moments, and ROTS manages not to completely suck.
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Don't expect Ep II to be any better. :lol Many people even consider it worse (although I personally think Ep I is untouchably bad). Ep III is the only one I think anyone has a chance of truly liking.
Anyone? Seriously?
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Out of the 3.
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Don't expect Ep II to be any better. :lol Many people even consider it worse (although I personally think Ep I is untouchably bad). Ep III is the only one I think anyone has a chance of truly liking.
Anyone? Seriously?
Well I'm sure someone out there loves Ep 1/2, but they don't count. :biggrin:
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Cool TFA "easter eggs & references" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DglBQf3U5Xs
I know there are tons of these kinds of things out there, and I usually ignore most of them, but I found this one to be pretty good.
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RIP Kenny Baker, aka R2D2.
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I just read that Blob.
Episode 1 was that bad.
Episode 2 was a B-
Episode 3 is worth watching.
If I remember correctly, Lucas had 60% of his whole storyline he wrote in Episode 3.
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RIP Kenny Baker, aka R2D2.
:'( :'( :'( WHY
WHYYY
WHYYYYY
Wasn't it Anthony Daniels???
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Line of the night thus far during Episode II.....my middle son after watching Anakin whine to Padima on Tatooine after slaughtering the Sand People....
"They're just Sand People trying to live their lives.....and then some psycho comes along and chop them all up."
And.....this movie is just as brutal. I can't get over how bad the acting is.
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And.....this movie is just as brutal. I can't get over how bad the acting is.
The guy that played Anakin was so appallingly bad (though he was much improved, to the point of being just-about-adequate, in episode III). And some of the dialogue is really poor. But there is some fantastic stuff in the film as well, and overall I find it pretty good.
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It's the writing and directing that's poor on episode 2. For mec the films are rated,
V
IV
VII
III
VI
II
I
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And.....this movie is just as brutal. I can't get over how bad the acting is.
The guy that played Anakin was so appallingly bad (though he was much improved, to the point of being just-about-adequate, in episode III). And some of the dialogue is really poor. But there is some fantastic stuff in the film as well, and overall I find it pretty good.
I have to push back on that, actually. He is a decent actor if you look at some of the other (well-directed) stuff he's done, and over the years it's come out that he was actually very frustrated by the process and how shitty of an actor George Lucas was. That's why his performance comes out so stilted, apparently.
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I can't sit through TPM at all. Kid Anakin fumbling his way to being the hero is beyond insufferable throughout.
I'd watch a million hours of Jake Lloyd before watching Hayden Christensen attempt to deliver horribly written romantic dialogue and whatever the hell Lucas' mind thinks teenage angst is.
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And.....this movie is just as brutal. I can't get over how bad the acting is.
The guy that played Anakin was so appallingly bad (though he was much improved, to the point of being just-about-adequate, in episode III). And some of the dialogue is really poor. But there is some fantastic stuff in the film as well, and overall I find it pretty good.
The acting just ruined it for me. I never once was convinced that Anakin and Padima were falling in love, and the way Lucas Directed Christiansen to portray the young Anakin with all the conflicting emotions was brutal. Utterly brutal. A good director could have made that movie incredible.....starting with a re-write of the dialogue making it sound like how people actually speak to one another.....continuing on to competently directing them. Lucas is a horrible director..period and someone along the line should have spoken up and told him his scripts were weak.
It's the writing and directing that's poor on episode 2.
It had to be an 'Emperor has new clothes' scenario. No one had the balls to tell Lucas his writing and directing sucked.
He is a decent actor if you look at some of the other (well-directed) stuff he's done, and over the years it's come out that he was actually very frustrated by the process and how shitty of an actor George Lucas was. That's why his performance comes out so stilted, apparently.
That's the thing. There were very good actors and actresses cast in those movies, all of which have had great performances in other films. It just magnifies how inept Lucas was at directing.
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I have to push back on that, actually. He is a decent actor if you look at some of the other (well-directed) stuff he's done, and over the years it's come out that he was actually very frustrated by the process and how shitty of an actor George Lucas was. That's why his performance comes out so stilted, apparently.
For sure, I was just saying that his acting was appallingly bad in Star Wars.
A good director could have made that movie incredible.....
I think part of the problem was that he wanted all this additional detail and intricacy (the politics etc.) that was not well suited to a feature-length movie and he simply didn't have the quality to pull it off.
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Even Ewen Mcgregor was terrible in those films. And he's a great actor.
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https://youtu.be/CehVgQ43pn0
Kylo Ren reacts to the Rogue One Trailer. :lol
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The kiddos loved the 'last' one...Revenge of the Sith. It was neat to see them put all the pieces together like Chancellor Palpatine actually being the Emperor....seeing Anakin become Darth Vadar. Although my oldest was and still is mad at Obi Wan for leaving Anakin there to die....he thought he should have helped him up and taken him to get better. :lol
My youngest kept saying "It doesn't make any sense....they were good....but now they're bad" when referring to the switch that the clones did when they were taking out the Jedi. A little explanation cleared it up for him.
Although the weekend and viewing these movies was just confirmation for me that these movies weren't very well done....especially when compared to TFA....it was a good time to share with the boys. But there's a good chance I'll never watch any of those movies again....just not worth it IMO.
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My experience with the prequels was similar. When The Phantom Menace, came out, I took Orbert, Jr. to see it in the theater. He was still in grade school. He was blown away. Yeah, it looked cool, and there were light sabers and Force stuff, and that's about all it takes to impress a seven-year-old. I was okay with it, because it was the first new Star Wars in years, and they had a lot of groundwork to lay, so I was okay with the pace and all the other things that are so glaringly obvious now.
We also saw Episode II and Episode III in the theaters (I mention this because we go to the cinema for very, very few movies) and the experience was similar. Kids were fine with it, it was good bonding time, etc. I figured that at some point, they had to start getting better, right? They couldn't get any worse. And II was bad, but I don't know how it compares with I because I'm not a rank-a-holic. I like it or I don't. III was certainly the best.
My kids aren't nearly as picky about films as I am, so they enjoy them. It's all just silly fun space stuff anyway. I'm not actually that picky either, but I recognize that the prequels are pretty weak compared to the original trilogy. But there are some good story elements, just not well executed.
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Honestly, they were more bummed that General Grevious was killed off so quickly and easily. Being that we are watching the Clone Wars as well....he is such a big character and so tough to catch/kill.....they were baffled that his role in the movie was so limited and that he was killed off so quickly. And, they REALLY wanted to see his face..
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The Phantom Menace . . . Yeah, it looked cool, and there were light sabers and Force stuff, and that's about all it takes to impress a seven-year-old. I was okay with it, because it was the first new Star Wars in years, and they had a lot of groundwork to lay, so I was okay with the pace and all the other things that are so glaringly obvious now.
That pretty much sums it up for me as well. As the first in the prequel trilogy, I thought it was fine at the time. It had some issues, but many of them were easy to overlook at the time considering it was the first in a long time and, as you said, it had a lot of groundwork to lay and was surely setting up the series to go somewhere great. Right?
We also saw Episode II and Episode III in the theaters (I mention this because we go to the cinema for very, very few movies) and the experience was similar. . . . I figured that at some point, they had to start getting better, right? They couldn't get any worse. And II was bad . . .
Yeah. Unfortunately, this. And it hurt the entire effort, dragged ep. I down, and highlighted all the deficiencies in ep. I that had previously been easy to overlook.
III was certainly the best.
Yes. But it was again something that had great potential and just kept on missing the mark. There was so much great stuff to work with, but it kept falling flat.
I'm not actually that picky either, but I recognize that the prequels are pretty weak compared to the original trilogy. But there are some good story elements, just not well executed.
Exactly right.
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Where I felt like III fell flat was that Anakin kept whining about the Jedi Council not granting him Master status.....how he didn't trust the Jedi....blah blah blah but they really didn't give any examples of why he didn't trust them other than they didn't make him a Master fast enough and Palpatine was whispering to him the whole time he should be mad. And that was another thing, it was really lazy IMO the whole 'influence' that Palpatine had over Anakin because all it took was a couple whispers from him and Anakin is like "cool...I'm good....I'll betray everyone"
Such a good story hiding in that movie but Lucas buried it in horrible acting (under his direction) and he was too confident in the audience that we'd fill in the massive gaps he left in the characters...especially Anakin.....for why they were thinking and feeling what they were.
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Where I felt like III fell flat was that Anakin kept whining about the Jedi Council not granting him Master status.....how he didn't trust the Jedi....blah blah blah but they really didn't give any examples of why he didn't trust them other than they didn't make him a Master fast enough and Palpatine was whispering to him the whole time he should be mad. And that was another thing, it was really lazy IMO the whole 'influence' that Palpatine had over Anakin because all it took was a couple whispers from him and Anakin is like "cool...I'm good....I'll betray everyone"
Such a good story hiding in that movie but Lucas buried it in horrible acting (under his direction) and he was too confident in the audience that we'd fill in the massive gaps he left in the characters...especially Anakin.....for why they were thinking and feeling what they were.
Exactly. That has long been my major criticism of ep. III. Anakin's turning just didn't feel...genuine. There wasn't enough motivation there. It is the single biggest event in the Prequel Trilogy, and it fell completely flat the way Lucas treated it. Had it been done better, the entire film (and to an extent, the entire Prequel Trilogy) would have been so much better.
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Where I felt like III fell flat was that Anakin kept whining about the Jedi Council not granting him Master status.....how he didn't trust the Jedi....blah blah blah but they really didn't give any examples of why he didn't trust them other than they didn't make him a Master fast enough and Palpatine was whispering to him the whole time he should be mad. And that was another thing, it was really lazy IMO the whole 'influence' that Palpatine had over Anakin because all it took was a couple whispers from him and Anakin is like "cool...I'm good....I'll betray everyone"
Such a good story hiding in that movie but Lucas buried it in horrible acting (under his direction) and he was too confident in the audience that we'd fill in the massive gaps he left in the characters...especially Anakin.....for why they were thinking and feeling what they were.
I feel this was rectified in Clone Wars. You can see in that show that it was a long process for Palpatine to gain Anakins trust and admiration. When my kids are old enough to watch the movies, we're going to take a long break in between II and III to watch Clone Wars. It just makes everything in III make more sense.
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I feel this was rectified in Clone Wars. You can see in that show that it was a long process for Palpatine to gain Anakins trust and admiration. When my kids are old enough to watch the movies, we're going to take a long break in between II and III to watch Clone Wars. It just makes everything in III make more sense.
Hmmmm..interesting. Being that we are watching those now I'll keep notice of this. BUT...It doesn't excuse the lazy story writing of these prequels, especially since The Clone Wars were an 'after thought' so to speak and probably more of an effort to make up for the lazy story writing of the prequels. We shouldn't have had to rely on an afterthought cartoon series to explain the decisions and feelings of a major Studio's characters in a blockbuster movie...especially those of the magnitude like STAR WARS.
I'm happy to hear that Clone Wars addresses and lends itself to the grand story but it just magnifies and draws attention to how poor a job Lucas did in the prequels telling the story.
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I agree with you that we shouldn't have to rely on TCW to fix that. But the point is, it does address it and helps the overall story arc, so from a storytelling point of view, it is worthwhile to watch it as part of the story's canon.
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I agree with you that we shouldn't have to rely on TCW to fix that. But the point is, it does address it and helps the overall story arc, so from a storytelling point of view, it is worthwhile to watch it as part of the story's canon.
Oh...I've been digging it big time and I'm only 11 episodes in to season 1. That was another thing about Episode III that really hit home for the boys was all the Jedi that they are growing to like in TCW getting killed off like it was no big deal.
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Oh just wait. Season was good but it's easily the weakest of the series. I'm really bummed I finished. But at least the new season of Rebels will be starting in a month or so!
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Where I felt like III fell flat was that Anakin kept whining about the Jedi Council not granting him Master status.....how he didn't trust the Jedi....blah blah blah but they really didn't give any examples of why he didn't trust them other than they didn't make him a Master fast enough and Palpatine was whispering to him the whole time he should be mad. And that was another thing, it was really lazy IMO the whole 'influence' that Palpatine had over Anakin because all it took was a couple whispers from him and Anakin is like "cool...I'm good....I'll betray everyone"
Such a good story hiding in that movie but Lucas buried it in horrible acting (under his direction) and he was too confident in the audience that we'd fill in the massive gaps he left in the characters...especially Anakin.....for why they were thinking and feeling what they were.
Exactly. That has long been my major criticism of ep. III. Anakin's turning just didn't feel...genuine. There wasn't enough motivation there. It is the single biggest event in the Prequel Trilogy, and it fell completely flat the way Lucas treated it. Had it been done better, the entire film (and to an extent, the entire Prequel Trilogy) would have been so much better.
I'm not sure I agree, or rather it's something that I think is an issue with the Star Wars universe in general. The Dark Side plays on people's angst and frustration. It doesn't matter much that Anakin wasn't being particularly reasonable with his irritation at first - it was enough for Palpatine to latch onto - and once you turn, no act is too evil. To me, it makes perfect sense from what I understand of the force and the Dark Side and so on, but it's also where I think the series becomes a little harder to relate to - because you can't put yourself in their shoes. It's not simply a case of being well-meaning but allowing temptation to push you to do horrid things in pursuit of your good intentions. Once the Dark Side has grabbed you, that's it.
Obviously it wasn't an issue in the original trilogy, because we didn't see anyone turn to the Dark Side. It's definitely a risk with the new trilogy, but they do appear so far to be doing something a little different and quite interesting with Kylo Ren, so we shall see.
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Rogue One looks awesome from the new trailer. So glad to see the return of Darth Vader :metal
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I was never huge on Vader but a prequel is the best way to bring him back.
The worst thing they could do is try to resurrect him for future movies.
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I'm looking forward to Vader's return too, but I really hope they give him a substantial role, as the rumours are suggesting. Also, please please please let him have some half decent dialog, instead of just "NOOOOOO", or some crap like "Where is Padme??" That was just cringeworthy in EPIII.
I think the prequels biggest crime for me, was that they kinda ruined the character of Darth Vader. He went from (in my mind anyway) being one of the galaxy's ultimate badasses to a whiny, petulant teenager, complaining about getting sand everywhere..
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Mostly in his vadergina. :rollin
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I'm looking forward to Vader's return too, but I really hope they give him a substantial role, as the rumours are suggesting. Also, please please please let him have some half decent dialog, instead of just "NOOOOOO", or some crap like "Where is Padme??" That was just cringeworthy in EPIII.
I think the prequels biggest crime for me, was that they kinda ruined the character of Darth Vader. He went from (in my mind anyway) being one of the galaxy's ultimate badasses to a whiny, petulant teenager, complaining about getting sand everywhere..
in fairness, it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
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True dat.
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I think the prequels biggest crime for me, was that they kinda ruined the character of Darth Vader. He went from (in my mind anyway) being one of the galaxy's ultimate badasses to a whiny, petulant teenager, complaining about getting sand everywhere..
I wholeheartedly agree. And while Vader's plans always seem to be thwarted in the original trilogy, it was never really because of his own foolish incompetence. The prequels make him so mentally weak that it does almost ruin his whole character for me (which is why I largely just pretend that the prequels don't exist, aside from keeping the story loosely in mind).
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Wasn't that sort of the whole point though? His mental weakness was what allowed him to succumb to the dark side.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo
The best thing about this video is that it's actual info from Wookie-pedia. :lol
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Wasn't that sort of the whole point though? His mental weakness was what allowed him to succumb to the dark side.
Yes, that was the whole point. But it was a stupid point that changed everyone's perception of the character that had been built up in the OT. That wasn't how the Vader we knew should have been turned.
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It could have worked. Palpatine saw the weakness in Anakin but also the potential to exploit that weakness by manipulating him, creating for himself a strong ally. Maybe do something "dark" which will somehow gain him some actual power to help Padme. Not "slaughter a roomfull of children, and that will somehow make you strong enough to save her" which doesn't make a damned bit of sense either on paper or on screen. But something small, seemingly a good trade-off. Do this one thing, which involves the dark side of the force, and you'll end up with the power to alter human physiology, perhaps enough to help Padme fight off whatever it is that's ailing her. That kind of thing. Like in stories where people dabble in black magic not because they're evil, but because they believe themselves strong enough to face down whatever consequences might come of it, and the potential payoff is worth the risk.
Palpatine presents the dark side to Anakin as "merely the other side" of the Force. Not worse, not better, neither stronger nor weaker, just the other side of the coin, and the those truly powerful with the Force embrace both sides. Makes sense. So Anakin does this one little thing, and before you know it, it's "got" him. He's on the path to the dark side. Foolish mortal.
There's a thousand ways it could have been done better and more believably than what we got, which was both bad and unbelievable.
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Wasn't that sort of the whole point though? His mental weakness was what allowed him to succumb to the dark side.
Yes, that was the whole point. But it was a stupid point that changed everyone's perception of the character that had been built up in the OT. That wasn't how the Vader we knew should have been turned.
Maybe that's what grates on me. Pre 1999, I never imagined "good" Anakin to be mentally weak. I thought he might have a similar personality on the good side - ie a strong leader, feared and respected, probably a bit gruff, not suffering fools gladly. I imagined his turning to the dark side being as a result of the desire for power, initially for noble reasons, which gradually corrupted him over time..
It was maybe too much of a leap from "itchy sand" Anakin to "You have failed me for the last time" Vader. :)
It could have worked. Palpatine saw the weakness in Anakin but also the potential to exploit that weakness by manipulating him, creating for himself a strong ally. Maybe do something "dark" which will somehow gain him some actual power to help Padme. Not "slaughter a roomfull of children, and that will somehow make you strong enough to save her" which doesn't make a damned bit of sense either on paper or on screen. But something small, seemingly a good trade-off. Do this one thing, which involves the dark side of the force, and you'll end up with the power to alter human physiology, perhaps enough to help Padme fight off whatever it is that's ailing her. That kind of thing. Like in stories where people dabble in black magic not because they're evil, but because they believe themselves strong enough to face down whatever consequences might come of it, and the potential payoff is worth the risk.
Palpatine presents the dark side to Anakin as "merely the other side" of the Force. Not worse, not better, neither stronger nor weaker, just the other side of the coin, and the those truly powerful with the Force embrace both sides. Makes sense. So Anakin does this one little thing, and before you know it, it's "got" him. He's on the path to the dark side. Foolish mortal.
There's a thousand ways it could have been done better and more believably than what we got, which was both bad and unbelievable.
Totally agree with that - the whole transition was awkwardly handled and could have been a lot better.
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Wasn't that sort of the whole point though? His mental weakness was what allowed him to succumb to the dark side.
Yes, that was the whole point. But it was a stupid point that changed everyone's perception of the character that had been built up in the OT. That wasn't how the Vader we knew should have been turned.
Maybe that's what grates on me. Pre 1999, I never imagined "good" Anakin to be mentally weak. I thought he might have a similar personality on the good side - ie a strong leader, feared and respected, probably a bit gruff, not suffering fools gladly. I imagined his turning to the dark side being as a result of the desire for power, initially for noble reasons, which gradually corrupted him over time..
It was maybe too much of a leap from "itchy sand" Anakin to "You have failed me for the last time" Vader. :)
Exactly. I wanted to see an actual rise to power -- military, political, something -- then the corrupting of that power, culminating in Darth Vader betraying and murdering Anakin Skywalker from Obi-Wan's point of view. Maybe it's little more than taking on the mindset that compassion=weakness and good guys finish last, maybe there's more to it, some actual event we can point to and say "Ah, that was it. That was where he truly turned and became Darth Vader."
Instead, it seems that the only authority Vader had was because everyone knew he was The Emperor's right-hand man (no pun intended). Vader walks the corridors of the Death Star like he owns the place, but I'm always thrown when Tarkin says "Vader, release him" and Vader complies. What? Darth Vader answers to some "regular military" guy?
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The whole trilogy is rife with telling the viewer things that we never see any evidence of.
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The whole trilogy is rife with telling the viewer things that we never see any evidence of.
That's why we're getting Rogue One... Masterful planning from GL - leaving massive gaps for future movies! :lol
Exactly. I wanted to see an actual rise to power -- military, political, something -- then the corrupting of that power, culminating in Darth Vader betraying and murdering Anakin Skywalker from Obi-Wan's point of view. Maybe it's little more than taking on the mindset that compassion=weakness and good guys finish last, maybe there's more to it, some actual event we can point to and say "Ah, that was it. That was where he truly turned and became Darth Vader."
Yip, and I think the desire to protect his family and those closest to him could still have been used as a strong motivation, which would have led to his turning.
The closest comparison I can think of at the minute is Boromir from LOTR, who was generally noble, but his desire for power to protect Gondor was ultimately his downfall. I think a similar kind of idea would have worked well for Anakin.
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The whole trilogy is rife with telling the viewer things that we never see any evidence of.
That's why we're getting Rogue One... Masterful planning from GL - leaving massive gaps for future movies! :lol
It's like poetry !
Th trouble is - it's Vogon poetry.
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Third worst in the known universe.
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I had to have this one explained to me, even though I'm old enough to get it, and it's still not that funny, but it is Star Wars related, so here it is.
(https://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cidu-luke.gif)
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New Rogue One trailer due today..
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/786522858524508160
Wooo
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I had to have this one explained to me, even though I'm old enough to get it, and it's still not that funny, but it is Star Wars related, so here it is.
(https://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cidu-luke.gif)
Is it a Blade Runner reference ? If not then I dunno either...
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New Rogue One trailer due today..
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/786522858524508160
Wooo
Here it is: https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI
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Looking good.
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0:50
Dunno why but all modern big hollywood trailers have "Person says something dramatic and cut to a person looking up or down."
:p
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That's gravitas, that is. This is no teddy bear's picnic! :lol
The "powa" line had me sniggering though: https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI?t=75
It made me think of this:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/115NBvjY0rnLnW/giphy.gif)
.. not something I like to be reminded of. :lol
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Palpatine / Sidious = Best thing about prequels.
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I had to have this one explained to me, even though I'm old enough to get it, and it's still not that funny, but it is Star Wars related, so here it is.
(https://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cidu-luke.gif)
Is it a Blade Runner reference ? If not then I dunno either...
Luke Skywalker is at a clothing store buying something, and he's paying for it with VISA. VISA credit cards have (or had) a dove hologram on them to make them harder to counterfeit. Luke's projects the hologram of Leia's "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi!" message.
What threw me was that the handwriting is bad and I didn't read the word "dove" correctly. I thought it said "done" and had no idea what was going on.
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New Rogue One trailer due today..
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/786522858524508160
Wooo
Here it is: https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI
Super dumb question, please forgive me, I don't follow this stuff closely. I watched The Force Awakens and thought it was cool. I assumed the next movie would be a continuation of that story...Based on that trailer it looks like a completely different story, with different characters, that takes place in a different time period.
Can someone fill me in on the basic premise of where Rogue One fits into all the other movies? And also - will they continue the storyline from The Force Awakens?
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New Rogue One trailer due today..
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/786522858524508160
Wooo
Here it is: https://youtu.be/sC9abcLLQpI
Super dumb question, please forgive me, I don't follow this stuff closely. I watched The Force Awakens and thought it was cool. I assumed the next movie would be a continuation of that story...Based on that trailer it looks like a completely different story, with different characters, that takes place in a different time period.
Can someone fill me in on the basic premise of where Rogue One fits into all the other movies? And also - will they continue the storyline from The Force Awakens?
It's not part of the regular Episode x series............it is set in the lead up to Episode IV.
The follow up to The Force Awakens is coming in around Xmas next year.
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Yeah - Rogue One is the story of how the rebels steal the plans for the original Death Star, set just before the very first Star Wars movie (ie the one made in 1977, not Episode I :lol)
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Got it, thanks guys! That makes sense.
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Yeah, think of it as Episode III.5.
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Maybe more like 3.99, but preferably ignoring that 1/2/3 exist. :P
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Maybe more like 3.99, but preferably ignoring that 1/2/3 exist. :P
Star Wars 0.5 :neverusethis:
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Maybe more like 3.99
Yeah, I was actually thinking along those lines, but opted to just keep it simple.
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Maybe more like 3.99
Yeah, I was actually thinking along those lines, but opted to just keep it simple.
Unlike George Lucas :neverusethis:
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Maybe more like 3.99
Yeah, I was actually thinking along those lines, but opted to just keep it simple.
:lol
I'm with you guys now, thanks! Like I said, I don't pay attention to this stuff, so I just assumed the next movie would be a continuation of TFA. This is cool though, going back a hitting a different time period of the story.
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New Trailer is AMAZING! Super excited for this.
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At this moment in time there are the three Skywalker - centric episodes 7,8,9
AND
Three spin offs. One is Rogue One. One is a Han Solo origin story and we don't know what the 3rd one is yet.
Disney have already said they don't plan on stopping there either. We're probably looking at a SWCU in the making.
Disney are going to milk this for all it's worth.
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Maybe more like 3.99
Yeah, I was actually thinking along those lines, but opted to just keep it simple.
:lol
I'm with you guys now, thanks! Like I said, I don't pay attention to this stuff, so I just assumed the next movie would be a continuation of TFA. This is cool though, going back a hitting a different time period of the story.
From what I understand, the basic plan for the next few years is basically release movies every other year that continue the storyline in sequence, and release one-offs that are from elsewhere in the timeline in each of the years in between. So:
2015: Ep. VII
2016: Rogue One (takes place before Ep. IV)
2017: Ep. VIII
2018: Star Wars Anthology: Han Solo (presumably takes place before Ep. IV)
2019: Ep. IX
2020: Star Wars Anthology: Boba Fett (not sure on the details, but could potentially take place just about anywhere in the timeline)
And as Kowtow said, they have said they plan to release more as well. Somehow, I doubt they will continue with X, XI, XII, etc., but who knows?
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2015: Ep. VII
2016: Rogue One (takes place before Ep. IV)
2017: Ep. VIII
2018: Star Wars Anthology: Han Solo (presumably takes place before Ep. IV)
2019: Ep. IX
2020: Star Wars Anthology: Boba Fett (not sure on the details, but could potentially take place just about anywhere in the timeline)
Very cool, didn't know that!
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There's an interview out there where Ewen McGregor states he's more than willing....would love to do at least one....he said he's down for two....solo Obi Wan movies. Covering the period of time he's on Tatooine watching over young Luke. He said there'd have to be some cool stuff going on then to cover.
For me he was the highlight and most redeemable factor of the prequals.
You'd think there'd be a cool story of Luke being discovered for 'who' he is by some entity and Obi Wan doing what he has to do to keep that secret?
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I'd rather not see a Boba Fett standalone film. Part of his thing in the original trilogy was that he was this mysterious, pretty cool side character, with almost no dialogue. The prequels ruined the mystery of that for me, and I don't think a standalone movie would help that at all. I don't want to see a teenage Boba go out to avenge his father's death.
I suppose it's the same with the Han Solo movie. I'm happy enough with not having any of his back story told, and just leaving it to my imagination.
That said, I think Ewan could do a good job as Obi Wan again, especially with decent material this time.
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There's an interview out there where Ewen McGregor states he's more than willing....would love to do at least one....he said he's down for two....solo Obi Wan movies. Covering the period of time he's on Tatooine watching over young Luke. He said there'd have to be some cool stuff going on then to cover.
For me he was the highlight and most redeemable factor of the prequals.
You'd think there'd be a cool story of Luke being discovered for 'who' he is by some entity and Obi Wan doing what he has to do to keep that secret?
I'd be 100% on board for this.
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Trailer looked awesome. I am so insanely excited
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People complain about Phasma being useless but even she brought more to TFA than Boba Fett did to the original trilogy. I mean sure, he had a cool costume and was a bounty hunter. Do we really need a movie centering around him? I'd rather see Ewan get a chance to make a good Obi-Wan movie because he was the only redeeming part of the prequels, and giving him the chance to be in a good Obi-Wan movie is something I would be all for.
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Yea I totally agree, not excited at all for a Boba Fett movie. But a good character study Obi Wan movie with a writer/director who isn't named George Lucas? I'm in.
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I really had no issue with Phamsa in TFA since I figured her role would be expanded in the following movie
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I really had no issue with Phamsa in TFA since I figured her role would be expanded in the following movie
I think it was a matter of expectations, and in this case it was totally the fault of the movie and their marketing. They really spent a good amount of time hyping up what was a nothing role.
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GUYS! Darth Vader in that trailer....coming out the mist...that has to be the fastest i've seen him move!
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Am I the only guy who doesn't care that Vader is in this movie? Everyone else is freaking out.
This movie looks amazing, but I want to watch it because it looks like a good movie, not because it has a character that I already saw in other movies.
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Well, yeah....but I think it's cool that he is in the movie
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Edit: Meh, this post sounded way too Kotowboy, so I deleted it.
Anyway, that wasn't directed at you, but it was a stupid complaint from me.
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Allow me...
Vader was never a great villain. He's far too Panto.
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Allow me...
Vader was never a great villain. He's far too Panto.
Ohhh no he's not! :lol
Given the setting of this movie, it would have been a real missed opportunity if Vader wasn't in it. I'm cool with him having just a few memorable scenes, dotted through the movie, like in ESB where his minions are reporting back with status updates:
"Yes Lord Vader, we have just moved the fleet out of hyperspace, and euuuggggggghhh" (grasps throat, drops to knees.. :))
More of that kind of badassery would be good.
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What the hell is panto?
Also, Vader is a classic villian, and it makes sense that he's in it, but I'm also glad that he only has a minor appearance, leaving the main cast to take the spotlight, and also help expand the universe beyond only being about what the Skywalkers are doing.
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panto = pantomime
The classic British musical comedy stage show, usually on around Christmas time. It's where ageing TV soap stars go to die. :lol
The pantomime villain is normally way over the top, and the audience boo and hiss every time he/she shows up on stage. Think Captain Hook from Muppet's Treasure Island or someone like that.
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Loved the latest trailer. The movie looks great.
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It just occurred to me that the main baddie in white in Rogue One is the actor who delivered that "And can we get some girls in here?" line in The Dark Knight Rises :lol
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It just occurred to me that the main baddie in white in Rogue One is the actor who delivered that "And can we get some girls in here?" line in The Dark Knight Rises :lol
He's also tremendous in Bloodline.
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And looks simply fabulous in that white coat .
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It just occurred to me that the main baddie in white in Rogue One is the actor who delivered that "And can we get some girls in here?" line in The Dark Knight Rises :lol
Don't remember that, but every facial expression that dude has made in any of these trailers just speaks god damn volumes. Not even sure he's had dialogue yet, has he?
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It just occurred to me that the main baddie in white in Rogue One is the actor who delivered that "And can we get some girls in here?" line in The Dark Knight Rises :lol
Don't remember that, but every facial expression that dude has made in any of these trailers just speaks god damn volumes. Not even sure he's had dialogue yet, has he?
The POWER that we are dealing with here... is immeasurable.
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SO UNLIMITED ENERGY
SO UNLIMITED POWAAAHHHH !!!!
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It just occurred to me that the main baddie in white in Rogue One is the actor who delivered that "And can we get some girls in here?" line in The Dark Knight Rises :lol
Don't remember that, but every facial expression that dude has made in any of these trailers just speaks god damn volumes. Not even sure he's had dialogue yet, has he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8EdpNqB9Bs
To be fair, I think the point of his character in this film was to be this loser business man trying to overtake Wayne Enterprises. I laugh when he delivers the line because he says it in the least manliest way
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Felicity Jones is so pretty. She's the main reason why I'm looking forward to this.
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Felicity Jones is so pretty. She's the main reason why I'm looking forward to this.
Carrie Fischer. Natalie Portman. Daisy Ridley. Felicity Jones.
Yep, Lucasfilm knows what they are doing :heart
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Felicity Jones is so pretty. She's the main reason why I'm looking forward to this.
Carrie Fischer. Natalie Portman. Daisy Ridley. Felicity Jones.
Yep, Lucasfilm knows what they are doing :heart
They've had a good run of cute brunettes. :tup
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And Carrie Fisher.
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
At least he's not a fucking white girl
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
At least he's an African American actor not covered in make up, prosthetics, or CGI'd
fix'd
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Lando D Glover.
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
At least he's not fucking a white girl
I mean, he probably is.
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
Totally agree. He's gonna make that character even more iconic than it is.
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Never heard of him. So.... ok I guess, thanks for the news.
Getting pumped for Rogue One, have avoided trailers after the first one and any further info, so probably this thread too, so I can go in fresh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on35CDEjd5k
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Never heard of the guy either. Has he been in anything well known?
I envy anyone who manages to stay spoiler-free for any of these movies. I can't resist hitting https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/ every so often to see what's going on. Probably just ruining it for myself. :biggrin:
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He's probably best known/loved for being one of the main characters on Community (and he's fantastic in it). He had a decent supporting role in The Martian, and he just recently debuted his own show on FX called Atlanta (also great). Really excited about this bit of casting news.
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I don't know him either, the first I heard of him was a few months ago when this came up as a casting rumour.
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So Donald Glover is officially the new Lando.
Good choice if you ask me.
At least he's not fucking a white girl
I mean, he probably is.
:rollin the uproar if a white girl blacked up to play a black man
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That's cool, off topic but he's also a musician under the name Childish Gambino (https://youtu.be/5tBe1OUBDiw?t=1m17s).
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That's cool, off topic but he's also a musician under the name Childish Gambino (https://youtu.be/5tBe1OUBDiw?t=1m17s).
Yup! This guy is super talented.
He's gonna be great as Lando. He has the smartass side covered, and has the charm and swag down to a tee
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Yeah, Glover is very talented. Frankly, he was easily the standout choice for this role.
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I just quickly checked out some videos of him on Youtube, and he certainly seems like a good choice. I like this casting decision more than their choice of Han.
Of course, I don't have much to base either of those opinions on yet, so hopefully the movie convinces me.
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Blob, you should really check out Community. Very funny show and very geeky at times as well.
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Blob, you should really check out Community. Very funny show and very geeky at times as well.
He is excellent in Community....and perfect for this role.
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Rogue One international trailer - https://youtu.be/CTl_Tt3dhPw
There's a few extra shots that we didn't get on the last one, with an extra couple of seconds of you-know-who..
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Voldemort?! :eek
I gotta stop clicking on this thread! Official blackout prior to viewing Rogue One starts now!
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Ha ha. I admire your resolve to stay spoiler free! Wish I could do the same.
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I wonder if Ford is pissed about this forbidden love affair thing that Fischer is airing out to the public. He's probably too cool to care.
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I wonder is Ford is pissed about this forbidden love affair thing that Fischer is airing out to the public. He's probably too cool to care.
That sounds interesting. Would like to read about that in her book.
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I wonder if Ford is pissed about this forbidden love affair thing that Fischer is airing out to the public. He's probably too cool to care.
She supposedly let him know in advance, and he didn't reply, so I would imagine it doesn't concern him too much.
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He's probably too cool to care.
Way too cool to care. :hat
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I wonder if Ford is pissed about this forbidden love affair thing that Fischer is airing out to the public. He's probably too cool to care.
Why "forbidden"?
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He was married at the time.
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He was married at the time.
Ohhhhh.
But to be fair, isn't "19 year old Carrie Fisher" on the universal list of acceptable indiscretions?
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He was married at the time.
Ohhhhh.
But to be fair, isn't "19 year old Carrie Fisher" on the universal list of acceptable indiscretions?
Yes she is.
She also said she sent a draft of her book to him prior to publication and he didn't object.
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Sounds like it's all good. Ford got divorced later, but Carrie says she had nothing to do with that. She and Ford broke it off when filming wrapped on the first Star Wars movie. If this is only coming out now, then it must've been a pretty well-kept secret.
And yes she is.
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Getting amped for this. My over the top love of Star Wars has always been that it was all one big story, but I definitely am looking forward to the pew pew pew fighting.
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Was browsing YouTube and saw a video called
" EVERYTHING WRONG WITH ROGUE ONE "
FFS ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET :facepalm:
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Welcome to the interwebs.. ::)
Everything I've seen so far from the trailers and TV spots has me really looking forward to this. I know we all know the general storyline, but they have done a good job of keeping a lid on the actual details, right up to now.
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FFS ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET :facepalm:
that's the only thing wrong with it right now :lol
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In future we'll have to say " The SW Prequels..no not Rogue One or han Solo or Boba Fett... "
:P
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In future we'll have to say " The SW Prequels..no not Rogue One or han Solo or Boba Fett... "
:P
Luckily I can just refer to them as episodes I through III when I'm rushing to explain to someone that I'm not a fan of THOSE Star Wars movies.
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So, somebody actually took the time to try to calculate how much it would cost for daily operations at the death star: https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/death-star-would-cost-7-7-octillion-to-operate-per-day/
And how much it would cost to build it: https://www.cnet.com/news/finally-a-cost-estimate-for-building-a-real-death-star/
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:lol
That's the funniest thing about Bond Villain bases.
How did you build this enormous base with rockets and all these jeeps and tracks for cars to drive on and nobody noticed ? :lol.
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That's quite a bit of money. But at least it was being built by an empire with an entire galaxy under its taxation stranglehold.
That kind of makes Starkiller base even more ridiculous. They don't have nearly the resources of the Empire, but somehow build it bigger. Like much bigger. But I guess if you can assign a Stormtrooper to janitor work (then take him on the most important mission of the First Order's history), then you can assign Stormtroopers to perform certain acts for money. Maybe Han Solo inadvertently funded some of Starkiller base.
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I'm assuming it didn't cost anything.
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I'm assuming it didn't cost anything.
Snoke: How many stormtrooper recruits does it take to build a Starkiller base?
Kylo: I don't know. How man?
Snoke: Who cares. They are slaves.
Kylo: Dude. Not cool. That pisses me off.
Snoke: I know it does. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger.
Who knew JJ was a racist?
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Three........More.....Days!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal
That is all................ :hat
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3 more days and 1 year for Episode 8 :P
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The early buzz sounds positive, but I'm trying to maintain a media blackout until I get to watch it on Saturday. 4 more sleeps! :lol
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Yeah all i've seen is the first main trailer.
I know nuffin and i'm taking my 12 year old bro to see it on Friday.
Bro's night out :)
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I'm gonna do a Kowtowboy on you:
So that would be Brogue One then??
Ba dum tsssss :lol
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I guess so. i'm the oldest brother. So yeah I was born first.
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(I think my Brogue One joke was funnier in my head.. :P)
I'm bringing my two boys, 9 and 11. There are 9 of us going together - 3 dads with 2 kids each. I think the dads are more excited than the kids!
I was reading my 9 year a bedtime Christmas story the other night, and he insisted on replacing all references to Santa Claus with Emperor Palpatine. The Emperor ended up electrocuting the 8 reindeer and Force-choking one of the elves - it was brutal!! ;D
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I'll be seeing it tomorrow night. Early reviews are very positive, except from people with an axe to grind because of unrelated political crap. I expect to enjoy it more than TFA, which I liked a lot.
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Yeah, I'm hearing VERY good things about this. I hope it's not just overblown hype.
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Yeah, I'm hearing VERY good things about this. I hope it's not just overblown hype.
Along with the positive comments thus far, a local movie reviewer who I follow and trust his opinion....although he can't give a full review yet he's saying this movie does not disappoint and is very good.
I'm gonna take the kiddos on Sunday to the afternoon show.
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I don't know what others think, but it seems to me that the marketing for Rogue One has been a lot more low-key than it was for TFA.
Maybe it's because it's the first spinoff movie, and a little experimental?
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I don't know what others think, but it seems to me that the marketing for Rogue One has been a lot more low-key than it was for TFA.
Maybe it's because it's the first spinoff movie, and a little experimental?
I think they know they don't need to waste the money. It's gonna make a Billion dollars
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I don't know what others think, but it seems to me that the marketing for Rogue One has been a lot more low-key than it was for TFA.
Maybe it's because it's the first spinoff movie, and a little experimental?
I think they know they don't need to waste the money. It's gonna make a Billion dollars
Yeah this.
Also. I read on a news website that The $4bn Disney paid for Lucasfilm was made back almost exclusively in the merchandise for The Force Awakens.
The film itself took $2bn so they're pretty much in profit from here on out.
And there's at least . AT LEAST. five more films to come.
$4bn is beginning to look like an absolute steal.
I really am curious if they bought out Lucas Lock Stock and Barrel or if he still retains some royalties for the name and the characters etc.
And if he still gets anything from merch.
If he sold *everything* then yeah $4bn is a steal because Disney is gonna make that back IN SPADES.
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That Being Said - what do we all think Rogue One will make in it's opening weekend ?
I'm gonna say around about $600m. Maybe a bit less.
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This movie is new ground for Star Wars. It's the first real movie that isn't part of the main saga with the main characters everyone knows. It's a bit of a wild card. They obviously don't expect it to do as well as TFA, but just how well it will do exactly, I don't think even they quite know.
The advertising for this movie has seemed quite low key to me, although I don't look for this stuff, but I think the word of mouth is going to be very strong for this movie, and it could be bigger than they anticipated.
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I really am curious if they bought out Lucas Lock Stock and Barrel or if he still retains some royalties for the name and the characters etc.
And if he still gets anything from merch.
If he sold *everything* then yeah $4bn is a steal because Disney is gonna make that back IN SPADES.
It is my understanding that he was completely bought out.
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I've heard this one is "not for kids". I doubt it will literally be kid-unfriendly. They are probably just exaggerating the fact that the war themes may be more geared to adults than kids.
The reviews seem mixed so far. Something tells me the negative reviews are from critics that think it is necessary to claim an upcoming blockbuster is "generic" and offers nothing new so they can pretend to be above it all. Or they just plain hate Star Wars and have been predicting its failure since 1977.
I think most Star Wars fans are simply hoping for a movie that has more of a war feel as opposed to *adventure*. Hoping for a Darth Vader bloodbath scene, but wouldn't be surprised if he acts more of the menace to the Imperial command. Constantly reminding them he won't accept failure.
This premise intrigues me more than the "Han Solo" movie, even though I found the A.C. Crispin Han Solo books a fun read.
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I really am curious if they bought out Lucas Lock Stock and Barrel or if he still retains some royalties for the name and the characters etc.
And if he still gets anything from merch.
If he sold *everything* then yeah $4bn is a steal because Disney is gonna make that back IN SPADES.
It is my understanding that he was completely bought out.
Then they got an absolute bargain. Not that $4,000,000,000 is a small amount of money. But compared to what they're going to make off the franchise...
Force Awakens box office alone was $2bn so they've made half of it back already and there's still 5 more films to come.
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This is a small thing, but I was thinking about it: will there even be an opening crawl in this film? I'm hoping that the direction in this movie will be totally different than what you'd normally expect, but I guess we'll see.
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This is a small thing, but I was thinking about it: will there even be an opening crawl in this film? I'm hoping that the direction in this movie will be totally different than what you'd normally expect, but I guess we'll see.
No opening crawl was confirmed a few weeks ago.
The pros that I generally trust, and that are huge Star Wars fans having been giving mostly good reviews, kind of like a B+ rating. Apparently they said if you're a HUGE Star Wars fan and have followed lots of the shows/books etc, then this movie is exactly for you. But if you're a casual fan (someone who has seen the movies and not much more), like me, then a lot of it will be a bit lost on you, but that you'll still mostly like it.
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Countdown to all the "this is the BEST Star Wars ever. This is how Force Awakens should have been done."
Followed by a 1 to 6 month drop in euphoria.
I was worried about the reshoots, but I went on IMDB after the initial writers made asses out of themselves and the replacement guy has a much better film history. The only worry people have is that the movie went from dark and gritty to safe and kid friendly. The replacement writer suggests this might not be the case.
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No opening crawl was confirmed a few weeks ago.
Oh, thank you!
I haven't been keeping up with everything because the looming threat of a Star Wars movie every year for the foreseeable future has me exhausted already. I'm trying to think about the movies as little as possible in between seeing them.
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Saturday Afternoon for the family and I.
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Countdown to all the "this is the BEST Star Wars ever. This is how Force Awakens should have been done."
You can stop counting lol. I saw a headline the other day that said this is the best SW film since Empire.
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I can't remember what the initial reviews for The Phantom menace were like.
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I can't remember what the initial reviews for The Phantom menace were like.
I remember walking out with my buddy and we both didn't wanted to admit how bad it was and we were both stuttering trying to say something good about it.
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It came out in 1999 so i would have been 20 or so when it came out.
I didn't think it was the worst thing i'd ever seen but I was with friends and we all knew it was Meh.
I was never a big Star Wars fan so i tdidn't affect me one way or the other.
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IIRC most of the initial reviews in 99 were positive. I think fans had that initial euphoria about a new SW film, that they were able to gloss over the bad bits. As mentioned above though, I think the tide of fan opinion U-turned a few months after release.
Also, The Matrix was released in 1999 and stole a lot of TPM's thunder, in terms of "buzz" and word of mouth. Fans really liked this new style of action movie, and maybe TPM's style looked a bit clunky and dated in comparison.
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Phantom followed the internet age cycle of reviews.
Euphoria upon release, followed by a backlash to the euphoria, followed by nitpicking, eventually leading to some normalization.
I'm a Star Wars fan so I roll my eyes when the latest edition is proclaimed the best ever just as I roll my eyes when it is eventually claimed the worst thing ever.
I'm assured Star Wars has had a pretty good run when I watch Star Wars fan films or "fan edits" (from mild to total reinvention). None of them come close to the actual Star Wars movies.
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IIRC most of the initial reviews in 99 were positive. I think fans had that initial euphoria about a new SW film, that they were able to gloss over the bad bits. As mentioned above though, I think the tide of fan opinion U-turned a few months after release.
Also, The Matrix was released in 1999 and stole a lot of TPM's thunder, in terms of "buzz" and word of mouth. Fans really liked this new style of action movie, and maybe TPM's style looked a bit clunky and dated in comparison.
The Matrix & Fight Club. Fight Club was not a box office hit but a big cult success. Also how good was The Matrix in 1999 ? Blew my mind. It was so unique to me. The FX were mind boggling.
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Just saw Rogue One and am very pleased. The whole movie was good but right now there's just one scene towards the end that is stuck in my mind. Holy shit.
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Also how good was The Matrix in 1999 ? Blew my mind. It was so unique to me. The FX were mind boggling.
it still holds it's own even today. Sure technology has improved and what not but all in all that movie never loses it's luster with me. Now the sequels are a different story....
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Also how good was The Matrix in 1999 ? Blew my mind. It was so unique to me. The FX were mind boggling.
it still holds it's own even today. Sure technology has improved and what not but all in all that movie never loses it's luster with me. Now the sequels are a different story....
Yes indeed. My bro and I are film fans. We watched all 3 films back to back in one day. Second one adds almost nothing to the story. It's Set-Piece : The Movie !!!
The third one I do like. I don't think it's the worst one. it's easily better than Reloaded. Reloaded is just action scenes and characters that turn up and do nothing consequential except
deliver exposition and then are never seen again.
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Agreed. The second movie was total dung, and the third was a bit better. (Which one had the weedy guy from Home and Away?).
I think the sequels weakened the first movie, in a way. It would have really stood really strong and impactful as a standalone movie.
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Agreed. The second movie was total dung, and the third was a bit better. (Which one had the weedy guy from Home and Away?).
I think the sequels weakened the first movie, in a way. It would have really stood really strong and impactful as a standalone movie.
First movie had Damien from Home And Away.
2nd and 3rd coulda been combined as one movie and they could have added in some of the bonus footage they shot for the game etc.
But yeah. The ending of the first one tells you everything you need to know.
Neo is gonna reveal himself to the humans and the matrix is gonna end. Bingo. End of.
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Agreed. The second movie was total dung, and the third was a bit better. (Which one had the weedy guy from Home and Away?).
I think the sequels weakened the first movie, in a way. It would have really stood really strong and impactful as a standalone movie.
First movie had Damien from Home And Away.
2nd and 3rd coulda been combined as one movie and they could have added in some of the bonus footage they shot for the game etc.
But yeah. The ending of the first one tells you everything you need to know.
Neo is gonna reveal himself to the humans and the matrix is gonna end. Bingo. End of.
If they had pushed some sort of new technology like they did with Matrix it'd have helped. But they used literally every same technique they used in the original AND had an unoriginal story to boot. It was such a promising idea that IMO they mailed in just to cash in.
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Just got back from Rogue One. It's a great movie. Better than TFA in my opinion, and very different too. I won't give any spoilers, because there are plenty of unexpected surprises in there for fans, but it ties in very nicely to ANH (which I rewatched earlier today), ending pretty close to where that begins. There was one particular reference that didn't seem necessary, but I still didn't mind.
The end battle is cool, a very desperate struggle with a lot of carnage. I liked all of the characters, although K2SO was my favourite, having all of the funny lines, without being silly.
I can't imagine any legitimate reason a Star Wars fan won't love this movie, unless you're some super nitpicky EU purist or something. I don't agree with any of the few major criticisms I've seen of it.
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Star Wars EU :lol
I could not care less about that.
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I thought K2 was a bit too much. Some of his lines were legitimately funny, but sometimes it came across a bit forced.
I would say that I like Force Awakens a bit more, but still liked Rogue One a lot.
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I didn't have a problem with any of K2SO's lines, it all fit with his blunt personality imo, and they dialed it back towards the end of the movie to not undermine the situation.
And I kept waiting for space monkey, but I only spotted him in the Yavin briefing room. Did they edit his shots out? He was my most anticipated part! :(
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Star Wars EU :lol
I could not care less about that.
Me either. I was never into the SW books or anything.
Glad to hear you liked it Blob. I just need to stay spoiler free for one more day..
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Star Wars EU :lol
I could not care less about that.
Especially after Brexit.
Thank you, thank you.
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Got back from Rogue One about an hour ago..
It was pretty awesome! I liked TFA better, but that's just me. Very different, compared to any other SW movie.
Some of the characters didn't get the spotlight enough, and it is pretty slow in it's second act but no other major complaints. There's a space battle that might be my second favorite in the franchise, after Endor.
They do some amazing things with CGI in this movie btw. The possibilities with it are endless, after they smooth out the rough edges first.
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I liked Rogue One! Not as good as TFA, but they tied it together well with A New Hope. If TFA was a 9/10 for me (my favorite SW movie after Empire), Rogue One was maybe a 7-7.5. No major problems with it, but some minor ones.
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How was Felicity?
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All though it should be obvious internet logic at this point to not read movie/tv/whatever threads of something just released, perhaps the title should be changed to have (Spoilers) for the first 1 to 4 weeks?
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I think I need to watch TFA awaken. I remember liking it a lot when I first saw it (though I place it 3rd, which isn't too hard in a 4 movie set), but the more I reflect on it, the more I dislike the story/script/writing in general. I feel like the "member berries" thing makes sense when I hear people talk about it.
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Careful, Star Wars spoiler below:
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Spoiler alert: Rogue One was awesome.
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Looking forward to checking this out this weekend
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All though it should be obvious internet logic at this point to not read movie/tv/whatever threads of something just released, perhaps the title should be changed to have (Spoilers) for the first 1 to 4 weeks?
No need. We would have to do that for every single movie thread. I mean, if a thread is about a particular movie (or movie series) there are OBVIOUSLY going to be spoilers for people who haven't seen the movie yet. Otherwise, there wouldn't be anything to discuss.
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Well shit.... Thanks man! I'm not even gonna bother to go see it now! :P
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I literally just saw it.
Wasn't blown away by it. But that's not saying much seeing as I was never a huge SW fan.
Wasn't as flat out fun as The Force Awakens.
K2S0 was funny. I laughed hard at " I'm taking them...to imprison them....in...prison.."
CG Peter Cushing looked really good but CG Carrie Fisher did not.
There never felt like there was much drama. Too bright and shiny perhaps ? You know the ending ?
Forrest Whittaker's acting was a little wonky. I did like the crashing Star Destroyers and anytime the Death Star blew anything up... :p
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Just saw it. I'm in the euphoria stage so right now my tainted review is loved it.
My number one problem was the music. They should always use John Williams and clone him now as back up simply because it is the deadly 2016.
The land/space ship battle at the end was done better than TFA. As short as the mustachios role was, there was at least an emotional connection with his death. I felt nothing for the space trench run in TFA.
Really loved how they gave the "oppression" of the Empire feel on a street/city level. That was done very well.
Liked Bodhi's (sp?) reaction to Saw's breathing possibly giving him nightmares of Vader's breathing. He's a "traitor" at that point and the other side wasn't welcoming him with open arms. Gave a great feel for how doing the right thing can feel like you made a mistake at first. Bodhi v. Finn defection. Bodhi was infinitely more developed. And he was Jar Jar free, unlike Finn.
Tarkin was amazingly well done.
Krennic looking up to see what he saw as his *beautiful* creation becoming his doom was a great ending for him.
And talking about the high Imperial office dynamic, it was a great conveyance of how it is just as much about wanting to please "the Emperor" for essentially political favors/fame as plain old evil. They were seduced by the power of the Emperor.
Factions of the alliance was a nice touch. The Chamberlins v. the Churchills.
K2SO was a much better droid than BB8 and possibly even the original dynamic duo. He was devoid of etiquette and basically emotional empathy, yet that void allowed him to connect with Jyn. Not being bogged down with whether or not what he will say helps or hurts anybody. So his compliments (that he doesn't know are compliments) can be taken at face value and therefore, more meaningful.
Cassian (sorry if I'm screwing up the spelling on these names) had a nice dynamic as the assassin. His first kill was done in such a way that you almost had to do a double take. Did he just kill him? It looks that way. Wow. Awesome dimension to a rebel.
The Jedha duo were great with a nice bond. Almost the Luke/Han bond on a smaller scale (simply because they were top tier, but not the top characters).
The creativity on the planets, aliens, droids and stormtroopers was off the charts good. Blew TFA out of the water in that aspect.
Did it feel like Star Wars? Yes and no. I think a Williams score would have helped tremendously in that aspect.
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Saw it. Loved it. There were some flaws, the score being the most obvious, but overall I left feeling great. I would see it again today!
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Am I the only one who didn't really mind the score? I need to see the film another time, but it definitely serviced it. Honestly, TFA score was pretty bland at points.
Anyways, as for the film itself, it really puts the "war" in "Star Wars" to use. In that regard, it's highly entertaining. The space battles are spectacular and much better than in TFA.
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My main complaint is that I wish they spent a little more time building up these characters. The intro scene with kid Jyn left little impression on me. Just wish they would have let us get to know our heroes a little more to get us more invested into them. Cassian, for example is a fascinating character in concept, but his motivations are too weak to be believable.
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There's a few more minor things here and there but I don't wanna nitpick yet, it's a new friggin' Star Wars movie. Just watch it if you haven't, ya dingus. I still found it pretty enjoyable.
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Cassio Tagge: And until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize!
Conan Antonio Motti: Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander, not to this battle station.
Tagge: The Rebellion will continue to gain a support in the Imperial Senate, until...
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin: [walking in with Darth Vader] The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
Tagge: That's impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?
Tarkin: The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.
This really gains strength when you see the Rebel Alliance big meeting and the Death Star simply destroying a city put the fear in them. After 20 years of trying to stop the Empire, they were in such fear that they were ready to accept their fate.
Then the talk of the dissolution of the Senate in A New Hope shows how much faith they placed in the Death Star. That the Empire had to still play the game of politics up until Rogue One. With the Death Star complete, the Emperor could dispense with the pleasantries and enter the "whadda ya gonna do about it?" phase of the Empire.
That whole rebel meeting was done so well.
Not too shabby for a movie that technically could have just been left to the imagination. It did exactly what it set out to do. Create a new story that enhances the series, but isn't dependent on the grand Skywalker/Palpatine arc.
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Am I the only one who didn't really mind the score? I need to see the film another time, but it definitely serviced it. Honestly, TFA score was pretty bland at points.
I will tell you what my main problem with the score is. It wasn't necessarily that it was bad on its own. It was that it literally avoided many of the big Star Wars themes altogether. Sometimes it toyed with them, but it almost felt like somebody had a stop watch or counter to make sure they wouldn't get *sued* for copyright infringement. It almost gave a fan film feel where they were afraid to simply use The Star Wars theme or even Imperial March to any real significance, making them seem like a knockoff. Like I went in to buy a Panasonic and got a Panaphonic. Or a Magnavox and got a Magnabox.
It literally made me think WHILE WATCHING, do they have to pay Lucas and/or Williams a buttload of money if they use the Star Wars themes and therefore made some room in the budget by not directly quoting it at all.
The Star Wars music is almost as important to what makes Star Wars - Star Wars as a Star Destroyer, lightsaber or the Force.
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I thought CG Peter Cushing looked really good - a massive step up from the young Jeff Bridges in Tron 2...but CG young Carrie Fisher looked a bit ropey.
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CG Tarkin was so good I had to really look to decide if it was CG or they were lucky enough to find his doppleganger (at the perfect age no less). It was so good it was almost creepy.
Leia felt like an afterthought and reminded me of one of those commercials where they pipe in an old celebrity image on a low budget. Wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the "reshoot" edits.
If we are going to get picky, not sure how I feel about the Rebel Blockade Runner fleeing the actual scene of the crime where Vader was just steps from gaining entry. I guess now we will have A New Hope Special Edition edit:
Leia: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Aldeeran.
Vader: Bitch, please. I was there as you fled the scene. Now give daddy the plans.
It would be the equivalent to a police car chase ending with the police stopping the car, confronting the driver and the driver says "is there a problem officer?"
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Just saw it. Thought it was great!
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I thought the music in this was better than TFA, which a lot of people also criticized. Personally I felt this had more memorable themes and more of the classic Star Wars feel. Didn't really have a problem with either movie's score though.
CGI Tarkin looked good, but still looked off enough to take me out of it every time I saw him. Nobody has climbed that steep hole out of the uncanny valley yet. The animation was a bit jittery, the eyes still have the cold dead look, and the lighting wasn't quite perfect, but I was impressed by how extensively they used him. I was expecting a small cameo at most.
However, my brother didn't even realize there was a CGI character in there even after I tried to explain who it was (he's not a big SW fan), and the hardcore SW fan I knew who saw it wasn't sure if it was makeup or CGI, they just knew it had to be something since Cushing is long gone.
CGI Carrie Fisher was a little bit too animated in the movement, but otherwise that looked alright too. It was only for one shot, so they got away with it.
Even though we know where the movie ends, I didn't find it predictable. Even though these characters are one-shot, I only expected one or two token deaths (I knew the chinese guy died because he spoiled it at the SW celebration thing :lol). I was pleasantly surprised what they did there. It gave the movie more meaning imo.
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So are we just going spoilers everywhere? Movie literally just came out.
Are we not doing spoiler warnings? I honestly have no idea if these long descriptive things are about Rogue One or another SW movie, but it'd be sad if I already have to avoid this thread on opening day.
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Doesn't it just make sense to avoid a Star Wars thread when a Star Wars movie comes out though? Unless someone wants to make a separate thread, which I believe was done for TFA.
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Doesn't it just make sense to avoid a Star Wars thread when a Star Wars movie comes out though? Unless someone wants to make a separate thread, which I believe was done for TFA.
I mean it just came out. I just think small text or "spoilers below" or something would be easier than everyone who hasn't seen the movie yet completely avoiding any SW thoughts or discussion.
But sure, sadly I dunno when I can see it but I'll just avoid the thread. :(
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So you're the guy.
The funny thing is, when I posted the idea to put (Spoilers) in the thread title, I came in and posted that without reading anything because I had not read it yet. For all I knew, there were 15 people that already made the same request. It was pretty simple. I didn't see it. It was out. Expect spoilers.
But I suggested putting it in the title anyway simply because somebody would eventually complain. I put my first post-viewing post here with a scrolling spoilers. Then read the previous page and realized others weren't doing it, so it must be annoying to read "spoilers" every single post.
BTW, how did you like the Emperor / Vader love scene?
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I watched it tonight. My initial impression was that it was really really good. Definitely the gritty battle-heavy movie I was hoping for, though it did take me about half an hour to settle into the movie, if that makes any sense. Maybe it was the adjustment of seeing new characters, but in the episode IV time setting.
Music. I thought the music was fine. The were enough callbacks to the original themes, with a few memorable moments of new stuff as well. The part with Galen and his scientists on the landing platform was particularly moving. Only a couple of times I heard something that made me think that "John Williams would definitely not have written it this way".
Characters. I liked most of the characters, and by the end I found myself caring about what was happening to them, which I suppose it a good yardstick to judge by. I was worried that K2-SO would be the "joke robot", but thankfully his one-liners were restrained for the most part, and he ended up being pretty useful. (My pet peeve is movies that insert too much comic relief for the sake of it). For now, I'll only say that I wish we got more background on Saw Gerrera. How did he split from the rest of the Rebellion, and what was his relationship with the other rebel leaders? Jyn says that he raised her - I wish we could have had a bit of a flashback or something there to make a bit more of a connection when she's reunited with him again to get the Rebel Alliance their re-introduction. Ben Mendelsohn was great as Director Krennic. I also liked the fact that they didn't go for a straight out romance sub plot between Jyn and Cassian - there were hints towards the end, enough to make you think "what if..", and I was totally fine with that.
CG Characters. Tarkin was well done, but they just didn't have that final magic to make you believe he was real. Soo close at some points, but as soon as he was onscreen my 9 year old points to the screen and says "Dad, is he animated, is he animated?", so they didn't quite fool him either. Leia was so close, up until the point where she spoke and then it kinda gave the game away. Still, these are nitpicks, and not enough to spoil my enjoyment.
Cameos. Won't mention the other obvious one, but did anyone notice the guy from the cantina in Episode VI. The "I have the death sentence on 12 systems" guy?
Vader. Not sure if anyone else though this, but the first scene in Vader's temple with Krennic just felt a bit off. I can't even put my finger on it - not sure if it was the dialog, the physical movements of Vader, or what, but something just didn't click for me.
The part near the end with Vader vs the rebels trapped in the corridor was pure magic, and what I was itching to see as soon as this movie was announced. Worth the price of admission on its own. :lol
Battle scenes. Definitely the best I have seen in any SW movie. Frenetic, brutal, and action packed. This must be the highest body count we've ever had in SW.
General pacing. At the start I felt like the movie was going a little slow, but the second half just kept picking up pace, and the final half hour or so was just so intense. Excellent stuff.
I don't generally like ranking stuff, and I definitely want to see it again over the next few weeks, but I think that when the dust settles, I will end up ranking this above TFA.
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Vader. Not sure if anyone else though this, but the first scene in Vader's temple with Krennic just felt a bit off. I can't even put my finger on it - not sure if it was the dialog, the physical movements of Vader, or what, but something just didn't click for me.
Yeah me too. I think it might have been new vader dialogue after like 33 years. Whole film felt weird to me like a new Star Wars OT movie but all new footage.
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Loved the movie. I loved how it tied into ANH.
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Just finished watching it and my heart is racing. That was incredible. That felt so damn authentic and exactly what star wars is in my mind. It just nailed it.
It was so gritty and dark. God I loved it.
The end battle was insane, oh my god. I was like a kid again. I really loved this movie
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How was Felicity?
Come on... it's not that tough of a question guys.
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Just saw it. Amazing. Loved the music, do not understand at all why people are hating on it.
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"I have the death sentence on 12 systems" guy?
My brother pointed the guy out to me when he saw the movie and I was like "Oh yeah, that's him!"
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I knew in advance the cantina dude was in it from leaked set photos, but I instantly recognized him and the alien anyway, because he's always been one of my favourite minor characters. I used to always randomly say to my friend "MY FRIEND DOESN'T LIKE YOU...... I DON'T LIKE YOU EITHER!" :lol
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How was Felicity?
Come on... it's not that tough of a question guys.
She was great. She definitely had the meat of the movie in terms of carrying it at many points and I think her interplay with all the other characters was great.
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it did take me about half an hour to settle into the movie
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General pacing. At the start I felt like the movie was going a little slow, but the second half just kept picking up pace, and the final half hour or so was just so intense. Excellent stuff.
This seems to be the prevailing consensus: the first 1/2 or 1/3 was anywhere from slow to a "hot mess".
On my first viewing, I had a somewhat different reaction. The first parts were all the *new stuff*, so that was pure joy to me. Watching the ship barrel through space onto the planet was one of the best ship to planet landings I've seen in a Star Wars movie. The direction and perspective vision was great. So they had me hooked from the first minute.
Now I loved the 3rd act, but that was the pew pew section. Fun, no doubt. But not something all that drastically different. One could even say "member the AT-ATs!!" even if they were a slight variation. What was impressive was that even though this is yet another "Death Star" Star Wars movie, the rebel attack was not on the Death Star itself. The pew pew directive was the shield (allowing the transmission). And I found the shield setup very interesting. A cross between the Trade Federation ship and the Endor moon shield generator.
But that Vader 3rd act was EFFIN' AWESOME. Watched it again and it was so incredibly well done. He had a perfect blend of the prequel Anakin moves and Vader variations (to accommodate his life systems). He slashed, he force pulled the guns out of their hands, he stabbed right through a person into a door, he force lifted a Rebel up, passed him and then chopped him while still on the ceiling.
Speaking of great "jedi/sith" fighting moves, Donnie Yen reminded me of Maul in his movements. An actor that could do his own fighting moves better than even a stand in would have. A great combination of grace and efficiency while kicking butt. My only problem is they didn't use more of that from him. His jokes were kinda lame "is your foot alright?" Not funny. "Are you kidding me? I'm blind." The "Are you kidding me?" and Felicity's "seriously?" took me out of the Star Wars universe for a fraction of a second.
BTW, the theater was not as packed as The Force Awakens (not a surprise), but part of that did have to do with it was raining pretty hard when I went. Don't really care to follow box office numbers. My only care is that each movie makes enough to set an appropriate budget for the next film (or any budget). Beyond that, the film gross is something I just don't care about.
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So spoilers if you haven't seen the movie .....
The more I think about the first half or first 1/3 of the movie and it's really odd pacing and buildup is I feel they wanted to bridge the gap between episode 3 & 4. So in keeping with the sort of theme of the prequels with having several planets and jumping around them is the reason why that is there and then settles into a one planet later on.
At least that's how I felt about it later on. The first half is more like the prequels which then transitions onto the original trilogy.
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How was Felicity?
Come on... it's not that tough of a question guys.
She was great. She definitely had the meat of the movie in terms of carrying it at many points and I think her interplay with all the other characters was great.
Thanks man. Glad to hear that.
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Spoiler or something (can't tell if we are or aren't doing that)
So spoilers if you haven't seen the movie .....
The more I think about the first half or first 1/3 of the movie and it's really odd pacing and buildup is I feel they wanted to bridge the gap between episode 3 & 4. So in keeping with the sort of theme of the prequels with having several planets and jumping around them is the reason why that is there and then settles into a one planet later on.
At least that's how I felt about it later on. The first half is more like the prequels which then transitions onto the original trilogy.
But it wasn't really about the planets. It was about the three main characters. Jyn, Cassian and Krennic. It was about their individual journey eventually colliding. I know most view the first 1/3 as the "worst part", but some of these same people are saying they didn't feel invested in the character's deaths. It sets up Jyn's abandonment issues and why she doesn't particularly care for the Empire or rebellion. It quickly sets up Cassian's morally difficult work with the rebel alliance and why he takes to it. It quickly allows you to see that Krennic is a sociopath. He will play charming, but it is 100% for his benefit.
Jyn didn't rush back to save the fallen Cassian. He rubbed off on her. Cassian regained some of his humanity by connecting Papa Erso to Daughter Erso. Krennic got to see "beauty" from the other end of the barrel. His own beautiful barrel no less.
Showing Darth Vader in all his bad assery also was more than giving his character samurai gravitas. It will show how powerful the idea that his connection to his family is his humanity. Losing his family takes away his humanity. Regaining it brings the conflict that leads him back to the light.
As far as I'm concerned, Episode 4, 5 and 6 just became 5, 6 and 7. I couldn't wait to watch Episode "A New Hope" again.
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As far as I'm concerned, Episode 4, 5 and 6 just became 5, 6 and 7. I couldn't wait to watch Episode "A New Hope" again.
Yeah, I REALLY like how A New Hope could be played the instant Rogue One ends and, besides the visual quality and special effects, it would be a seamless transition. Someone is going to make that edit and I am going to watch it.
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I agree with those who saw the beginning 15-20-whatever minutes were pretty choppy. It reminded me of the Warcraft movie, just throwing location after location at us at a really quick rate and expect it to mean something to the viewer. That didn't quite work for me. Luckily it focused up pretty quickly.
Rogue One is a much better movie than Warcraft though.
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I agree with those who saw the beginning 15-20-whatever minutes were pretty choppy. It reminded me of the Warcraft movie, just throwing location after location at us at a really quick rate and expect it to mean something to the viewer. That didn't quite work for me. Luckily it focused up pretty quickly.
Rogue One is a much better movie than Warcraft though.
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I have to say, though, after all the places I didn't know or care much about, seeing "YAVIN 4" on the screen made me really god damn happy
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I have to say, though, after all the places I didn't know or care much about, seeing "YAVIN 4" on the screen made me really god damn happy
Agreed.
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So apart from the score being probably the worst in a SW-film so far and the pacing being really weird (very similar to his Godzilla movie, we get an amazing last 30 minutes preceded by a lot of slow stuff), I do think most of the characters were underwritten and unfortunately, once they started dying, I didn't really feel that emotional connection with them. The droid was an exception because his death was really well done, but most of the other ones, I didn't really learn enough about them to get emotionally invested. I think Jyn was given a decent amount of backstory and worked, but compared to TFA where all the new characters were really good and the standouts of the film, R1 didn't deliver on the same level IMO.
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<something something darkside spoilers>
As far as the "wide" galaxy in the beginning. Well, STAR wars.
But here's the flipside. We see Cassian appear on a planet that essentially is just a meeting place for one of his contacts. If he met him on Scariff, Yavin 4 or Jedha, the complaint would be "what a convenient coincidence for such a large galaxy". More importantly, it helped establish the wide reach of the Empire while also allowing Cassian's morally grey *rebellion* to gain very early establishment.
It also established that the rebellion was more than just a base on Yavin 4. It demonstrated the factions of the rebellion / alliance / not friends of the Empire. Erso wasn't sending the message to the alliance.
The only thing I truly found jarring on first watch was the Rogue One title. There are things to nitpick, but it is somewhat petty.
Also, Gaelin Erso had a somewhat Darth Vader arc. His family was his wedge and his redemption.
The more I break the movie down, the more I believe my joy wasn't just a rush of excitement that temporarily overcame the flaws. Specific one by one ranking is not my thing. My movie ranking is essentially "do I want to watch this again", how many times can I watch it again before I can't and in a series, can I watch it again with a new set of canon facts when the next one comes out and possibly adds new or extended meaning to the prior movies? Star Wars has done this for the most part. Maybe not The Force Awakens though. It seems more disconnected than this "stand alone" movie.
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I happy to finally have a prequel that I love. I like Episode III a lot, but I don't know if I could say that I love it.
I am totally down with more offshoot, individual story films in the future.
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The droid was an exception because his death was really well done
That was one of my nitpicks. Not that K2SO had a bad death, but that the Death Troopers did.
I didn't like that Cassian (essentially a stationary target) was able to outgun the Death Troopers (but not Krennic). It might have been more interesting if K2SO's ending gambit wasn't with a bunch of stormtroopers, but the Death Troopers. They essentially sacrifice each other. The Death Troopers went all Storm when it counted.
The Death Troopers were very interesting with their dialogue. It took me back to when I was a kid and wasn't sure if the Stormtroopers were human or alien under the mask.
but most of the other ones, I didn't really learn enough about them to get emotionally invested. I think Jyn was given a decent amount of backstory and worked, but compared to TFA where all the new characters were really good and the standouts of the film, R1 didn't deliver on the same level IMO.
I'm really not seeing this.
Finn was somebody that left the First Order because it was the right thing to do. Actually, he admitted he just needed a ride. But for some reason, Poe decided Finn (despite showing no reason to trust him, in fact the opposite) made him his best friend, told him where the vital map was, then abandoned him to finish up his mission .....
Rey admonishes Finn for running away (despite wanting to run back to Jakku herself) and then about 5 to 10 minutes later, runs away herself.
Kylo Ben - was Rey the X-Men Rogue, stealing his power as he went from awesome to chump. Unlike Vader that went evil in a misled attempt to protect his family, Rey went evil to spite it?
Finn doesn't want to go to SKB to stop it, but again, because he needed a ride to Rey. So I guess his character was to run unless he gets a chubby? Oh, and he screws everything up and is constantly lying.
Finn that could have had a redemptive death, somehow survives a spine severing lightsaber slash (the same lightsaber that killed Lor with one slash). Rey that took a saber shot to the head (and thensome). The same saber that beheaded Dooku.
Meanwhile Bodhi has to witness the rape of Jedha as an imperial Cargo pilot and decides he has to make amends. He isn't met with open arms, but, as somebody fighting the Empire would be, paranoia. Just awesome development. He isn't sure if he's going to save the day or be killed by his "new friends". His new friends aren't sure if he brings help or an assassination plot.
Gaelen - the prisoner scientist that will gladly die for his fellow scientists, but won't let his family die for him.
Krennic - the sociopath that will smile in your face and stab you in the back (surrounded by the same)
Chirrut - the Guardian of the Whills that lost his mission, but not his beliefs
Baze - the Han Solo that doesn't believe in that ancient religion, but believes in his friend. His Luke (or even his Chewbacca)
Saw - the rebel turned terrorist turned paranoid
Cassian - the rebel motivated by revenge that is willing to accept war for what it is
Jyn - the abandoned turned terrorist turned rebel motivated by family and then onto a larger cause
Vader - the future redemption without his reason to be redeemed revealed
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I am totally down with more offshoot, individual story films in the future.
What individual stories would interest you most. The Han Solo story? I like the AC Crispin Han Solo trilogy. One of the few Star Wars books I honestly liked. So there is a lot to dive into with Han Solo. Of course, there is a lot to mess up as well :laugh:
Personally, I want to see the Vader between 3 and 4 (like R1, but way more). There was an interesting dynamic set up in the original trilogy and expanded in the prequels about the Vader/Palpatine relationship. Clearly, he doesn't like him and Palpatine wants to replace him (as he always does with his apprentices). Darth Anakin talked about overthrowing Palpatine as early as Mustafar and continued on Bespin. I'd love to see Vader go bad ass "out in the field" and get into a fight with the Emperor only to be handed his ass. Maybe the Emperor finds out Vader is mentoring a secret apprentice and puts a stop to it and gives Vader "something to cry about". That's the Starkiller theme.
I'd find it even more interesting if Vader discovers Palpatine's pre-Luke Vader replacement and we get the RotS / RotJ confrontation again ... but Vader (unlike Dooku, and different than Luke) takes out the apprentice, then continues on the Emperor. After a beatdown (mainly due to Vader's weakness - his life support system), you see Vader start the Bacta treatments and ESB meditation chamber in an effort to be less reliant on the life support system for that one day he might need to finish the job despite the Emperor frying his support with ease.
I also thought the story of the Emperor partly creating the Empire because it was the fastest way to unify against a larger enemy in the Unknown Regions had possibilities. Maybe episodes 6.3, 6.6 and 6.9 show the New Republic struggle against that enemy that forms an alliance with the First Order (Snoke) or possibly is not connected, but explains why the New Republic missed the construction of Starkiller base (preoccupied with another enemy). Then, like Iraq, the New Republic is war fatigued and willing to just let the First Order do its thing as long as it doesn't affect them directly.
Some talk about the Old Old Old Republic. For some reason, I liked that, but never quite connected with it the way I did the Repubic-Empire era. Maybe that Star Wars story could change that.
I also like the idea of 3 dimensional chess, geopolitical adversaries or just plain old the enemy of my enemy (as long as they aren't friends with my enemy that is also an enemy of my enemy). The messiness that each new *nation* brings. Like each one is a bit that adds exponential possibilities. Really explore that to a degree where we see the "home team" not view itself as evil, but support and ally with evil simply because "It's complicated".
Not sure I need to see the Kenobi story. Probably lots of self love in his hermit cave and shooting the sh*t with Qui Gon ghost. How else would you explain how out of practice he is in ANH? Too much Netflix binging.
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A couple of things that occurred to me this morning: [Spoilers again]
1. Did we see Cassian kill the guy with the injured arm, just so he couldn't be captured, or slow Cassian's escape? Did I pick that up correctly, or was it a stray laser blast that killed him?
2. Friendly fire. It was the Alliance bombs that killed Galen. I don't think we've had that before in SW. I suppose it could be argued that it still wasn't clear to the Alliance command that Galen was working for than or against them.
I definitely want to see it again. I think my issue with the early pacing might be due to the fact that we're not used to seeing so much jumping around between locations in a SW movie. This mightn't be as bad on a second viewing.
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1. Did we see Cassian kill the guy with the injured arm, just so he couldn't be captured, or slow Cassian's escape? Did I pick that up correctly, or was it a stray laser blast that killed him?
That is an excellent question which, to me, highlights the amazing directing and framing. I believe that was the EXACT initial feeling they were going for. Shock and initial disbelief of what you just witnessed. Not making it initially obvious, but obvious after some rationalization.
Cassian tried to calm him down, shot him, didn't blink or look for the "gunman", because he was the gun man. Just like Yoda assured us "no. Really. Vader is his father." we are later brought in with more character development that, yes, this dude does things that aren't all heroic. At least on the surface. The only thing I would add is that he couldn't be allowed to be captured (it was clear he was going to be) because (a) he could give up Cassian's *agent* identity and (b) he could give up what he told him which would alert the Empire that "they're on to us and our Death Star plans. Full lock down."
2. Friendly fire. It was the Alliance bombs that killed Galen. I don't think we've had that before in SW. I suppose it could be argued that it still wasn't clear to the Alliance command that Galen was working for than or against them.
Yup. But what was more important as to whether Galen was "good or bad", but simply that his life was less valuable than the billions put at risk by his creation. It didn't matter if Galen was a willing participant or a hostage. It was a nice contrast to Cassian with essentially even more info than the bombers, yet was still willing to kill Galen until seeing Jyn put some humanity back in him. Maybe he saw himself as a 6yo trying to save his parents. At 6, it didn't matter if it was the Empire or some random thug that killed his parents. Just that somebody killed his parents and he was going to get revenge. Unlike Poe that doesn't even connect that he killed Finn's friend (or that Finn makes buddies with the killer of his best friend that sent him over the edge), Cassian connected that, yes, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the few, but maybe discarding the few creates the many. Or maybe he just couldn't stomach killing a father in front of his daughter. It was his pivotal moment. And neither the Rebel bombers nor Cassian were "more right". That's why war is hell. Every choice can feel like the wrong one. The one that felt right, could turn out to be your biggest mistake.
This wasn't just a Star Wars film. It did a great job of highlighting the ambiguity of war, good and evil. Luckily, when the rebels win, they get to write the history books. Just as the Empire was able to shape history of the Jedi to the Jedi's detriment.
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<something something darkside spoilers>
As far as the "wide" galaxy in the beginning. Well, STAR wars.
But here's the flipside. We see Cassian appear on a planet that essentially is just a meeting place for one of his contacts. If he met him on Scariff, Yavin 4 or Jedha, the complaint would be "what a convenient coincidence for such a large galaxy". More importantly, it helped establish the wide reach of the Empire while also allowing Cassian's morally grey *rebellion* to gain very early establishment.
It also established that the rebellion was more than just a base on Yavin 4. It demonstrated the factions of the rebellion / alliance / not friends of the Empire. Erso wasn't sending the message to the alliance.
I understand why it was done, it was just done sloppily in my opinion.
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The Force Awakens opening weekend = $530m
Rogue One opening Weekend = $290m
Are people not as excited about the spin offs? It might even struggle to get to $1bn. They can't rely on China as Force Awakens made $125m there.
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The Force Awakens was the first Star Wars movie in a while and it also came out after a period of time where another Star Wars movie wasn't likely at all. First the prequels sucked and then Lucas basically said there wouldn't be more movies, but BOOM Disney bought it and the hype was massive. In contrast, Rogue One is "just" another Star Wars movie. They're never gonna reach the TFA level of hype again.
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I don't know if I'd expect Rogue one to open the same way The Force Awakens did. Circumstances were different for the two in many ways plus this was touted as a standalone movie with no continuing characters like the Skywalkers, Han Solo, etc..
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The Force Awakens opening weekend = $530m
Rogue One opening Weekend = $290m
Are people not as excited about the spin offs? It might even struggle to get to $1bn. They can't rely on China as Force Awakens made $125m there.
Based on what I've read, Rogue One has met projections. The "small" gross compared to The Force Awakens was to be expected as nothing will ever be as anticipated as that movie, at least for the foreseeable future. Disney is thrilled thus far.
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I don't see Rogue making $1bn. 2nd weekend is never as good as the first. maybe 33% less at best ? 2nd w/e probably gonna be around $150 - $200m at best.
And then it will be even less 3rd week etc.
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Yeah, TFA was easily the biggest cinema happening of this decade. Rogue One or the next two Episodes probably won't compete.
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At least we finally got a prequel that isn't complete and utter shite.
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I may have missed it, but why did Tarkin blow up the imperial base at the end with the death star. It looked like they were in the process of winning the battle as it was and why blow up the archive with all the empire's engineering blueprints and plans?
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Maybe a desperate attempt to stop the rebels getting the plans ?
It almost worked...
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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. Just a last ditch effort to stop them at all costs. Made for one hell of a cool shot, with the explosion in the background and everything.
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One thing I was a bit disappointed was how come they didn't use Akhbar in the movie? Fans would have loved it
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Too much fan service...
R2 & 3PO were already shoehorned in for 2 seconds. . .
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Too much fan service...
R2 & 3PO were already shoehorned in for 2 seconds. . .
You must really loathe The Force Awakens then :lol I thought the police were going to raid the theater at any minute during TFA for the Happy Ending service being provided to the *fans*.
This dude got an illegal copy of TFA for his first viewing.
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R2 & 3PO were about to be a big part of the Rebel Blockade Runner's mission. It only makes sense that they would be visible right as the fleet was gearing up to go into battle.
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ROGUE ONE MOVIE REVIEW SPOILERS with Kevin Smith
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLljgEUPmRQ)
Just started listening, but it sounds like Smith is loving it. I know he's a big SW fan, but I don't live and die by his take. On the other hand, I honestly find the Red Letter Media stuff pure hackery.
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Well, that didn't take long.
We had the Finn / Poe "are they gay?" question. Now we have the Chirrut / Baze "they must be gay" comments.
I actually find it bordering on homophobic offensive to always draw the conclusion of two guys being gay because they have a bond. Judging by the criteria used to determine this supposed gay relationship, it must have meant Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon had a lover's inside joke when one called for "saber practice". Was gay love outlawed in a GFFA that they had to hide it the way Anakin had to hide his marriage?
Sheesh. Are we really going to have a decade of "spot the gay couple" like its the new "Where's Waldo?" Will we have an era of "gayploitation" films that seem *progressive* at first only to be viewed with shame by the next generation? Let's hope not.
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Vader kicks butt in Rogue One scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KAFZR3Rgw)
Only watch and enjoy if you've already watched Rogue One in the theater.
Somebody send Kylo Ren this link with the message "watch and learn poser."
Rogue One is shaping up to be top tier for me. Somebody just start the sequel trilogy over with whatever combination of people made this movie. The Force Awakens can go the way of the Holiday Special.
Just kidding of course. I enjoyed TFA. My ultimate ranking will depend on how 8 and 9 work with it.
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Well, that didn't take long.
We had the Finn / Poe "are they gay?" question. Now we have the Chirrut / Baze "they must be gay" comments.
I actually find it bordering on homophobic offensive to always draw the conclusion of two guys being gay because they have a bond. Judging by the criteria used to determine this supposed gay relationship, it must have meant Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon had a lover's inside joke when one called for "saber practice". Was gay love outlawed in a GFFA that they had to hide it the way Anakin had to hide his marriage?
Sheesh. Are we really going to have a decade of "spot the gay couple" like its the new "Where's Waldo?" Will we have an era of "gayploitation" films that seem *progressive* at first only to be viewed with shame by the next generation? Let's hope not.
As a gay man, I don't find it too offensive to try to find gay couples in movies. I do it too, and it's out of curiosity of whether or not such a big-name company will do something like that, in a world that's still not completely on board with gay marriage yet. Gay people are often the butt of jokes in movies of the past decade or so, it'd be nice to see a gay relationship in a movie that feels... normal. (there's a cartoon called steven universe that pretty much has the perfect example of "normal" gay relationships. watch it or something)
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Finally saw it, no way I'm reading everything you guys posted thus far. Man, some of you write long posts.
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I loved it. Yes, the pacing of the first bit is very odd. Going from one planet to the other was a bit jarring. Minus that, I loved it. I avoided spoilers, so I was really surprised by a lot it. Yes, it had some fanfare, like Tarkin, R2 and 3PO and what not, but that's not why it works.
It was so well directed and surprisingly well written. I think that's what makes it better than TFA to me. It's better written. Sure, it's not as huge or fun as TFA, but it's much more tightly written and well done by everyone.
They made us care (to some degree) about not just the main characters, but even the random pilots we only saw for 5 seconds. Just really felt the depth of the universe.
And Leia at the end, holy crap have we come that far?
Also......what was Vader doing when we first see him? Is he usually in a tank of stuff?
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Well, that didn't take long.
We had the Finn / Poe "are they gay?" question. Now we have the Chirrut / Baze "they must be gay" comments.
I actually find it bordering on homophobic offensive to always draw the conclusion of two guys being gay because they have a bond. Judging by the criteria used to determine this supposed gay relationship, it must have meant Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon had a lover's inside joke when one called for "saber practice". Was gay love outlawed in a GFFA that they had to hide it the way Anakin had to hide his marriage?
Sheesh. Are we really going to have a decade of "spot the gay couple" like its the new "Where's Waldo?" Will we have an era of "gayploitation" films that seem *progressive* at first only to be viewed with shame by the next generation? Let's hope not.
As a gay man, I don't find it too offensive to try to find gay couples in movies. I do it too, and it's out of curiosity of whether or not such a big-name company will do something like that, in a world that's still not completely on board with gay marriage yet. Gay people are often the butt of jokes in movies of the past decade or so, it'd be nice to see a gay relationship in a movie that feels... normal. (there's a cartoon called steven universe that pretty much has the perfect example of "normal" gay relationships. watch it or something)
I'm all for including more gay characters in media, but I agree that forcing it either by the creators or the viewers is not the best approach long term, even though their intentions may be good. Don't get me wrong, I think being represented is very important, but if you force it too hard like that, it can have a negative impact.
Luckily I see increasingly more shows/movies where they do it right, but I also find it annoying when people are trying to find it where it doesn't exist. I can only imagine what people would think of some of the '80s Stallone and Arnie movies. :neverusethis:
I've actually seen some Star Wars fans who think there's some ulterior feminist motive having female leads for two movies in a row (Rey and Jyn Erso), and reacted badly. I think it's total BS that something so benign and still so far from equality is even questioned, but hey, that's people for you. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to take time.
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Finally saw it, no way I'm reading everything you guys posted thus far. Man, some of you write long posts.
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I loved it. Yes, the pacing of the first bit is very odd. Going from one planet to the other was a bit jarring. Minus that, I loved it. I avoided spoilers, so I was really surprised by a lot it. Yes, it had some fanfare, like Tarkin, R2 and 3PO and what not, but that's not why it works.
It was so well directed and surprisingly well written. I think that's what makes it better than TFA to me. It's better written. Sure, it's not as huge or fun as TFA, but it's much more tightly written and well done by everyone.
They made us care (to some degree) about not just the main characters, but even the random pilots we only saw for 5 seconds. Just really felt the depth of the universe.
And Leia at the end, holy crap have we come that far?
Also......what was Vader doing when we first see him? Is he usually in a tank of stuff?
I agree with it being better than TFA for that reason. TFA was definitely the more fun movie, but I think the writing in Rogue One made a lot more sense, and was a better standalone story. That said, TFA had to accomplish a lot more in the same run time as Rogue One, so Rogue One had it easier there.
I thought Tarkin was done a bit better than Leia. Neither was entirely convincing, but Leia stuck out a bit more to me. I still love that they were ambitious enough to do it, and I want to see more of it in future anthology movies.
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After watching it again, I think what didn't sit as well with Leia wasn't necessarily her CG, but her audio.
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Also......what was Vader doing when we first see him? Is he usually in a tank of stuff?
Bacta tank like Luke in Empire after the Wampa messes him up. No movie has had that for Vader until this one. But Empire did introduce his meditation chamber where he practiced trying to survive without his life support system in a controlled environment.
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After watching it again, I think what didn't sit as well with Leia wasn't necessarily her CG, but her audio.
The audio went by so quickly that I didn't pay too close attention, but I found the vocal delivery and motion to be not very convincingly Leia. I think it was a bit too uplifting and positive. I guess they needed that at the end of the movie, but I think it was a bit too overdone.
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I've actually seen some Star Wars fans who think there's some ulterior feminist motive having female leads for two movies in a row (Rey and Jyn Erso), and reacted badly. I think it's total BS that something so benign and still so far from equality is even questioned, but hey, that's people for you. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to take time.
Unfortunately on that front, the original writers (not the reshoot/rewrite dude) said that was actually what they were going for. So it can't be called reading into something that isn't there when the actual writers say that was the intent.
Quite frankly, I hope those original writers had something in their contract that gave them a huge fine for something like that. They may have cost Rogue One some gross income with those stupid comments. I don't like what the writers said, but I'm not the boycotting type. I just want to see Star Wars, so I did.
Just to be clear, the writers said the Empire represents white supremacist and the rebels were the diverse group with a strong female leading them to stop them. Yeah. Way to throw crap where crap didn't need to be thrown. In the end, I think those writers were just throwing a tantrum over the election results. The diversity is there but I really think it is simply a Disney directive to create as many toy purchasers as possible by giving every kid a "that's me" character. Kind of stupid to think all characters have to offer is their skin color. I enjoy seeing any kid wanting to be Finn, Cassian, K2SO or even Vader/Kylo Ren.
Ask me the original trilogy Kevin Smith joke of "did you know 'black' Vader voice was going to be a 'crusty' old white dude underneath the mask?" when I was nine and I would have responded "I don't even know what you are talking about. The ewoks were awesome and I'm going to be Vader for Halloween." Thankfully, my mom talked me out of going as Lando ala Ted Danson.
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After watching it again, I think what didn't sit as well with Leia wasn't necessarily her CG, but her audio.
The audio went by so quickly that I didn't pay too close attention, but I found the vocal delivery and motion to be not very convincingly Leia. I think it was a bit too uplifting and positive. I guess they needed that at the end of the movie, but I think it was a bit too overdone.
I'd say the scene was somewhat unnecessary, but you might want to look at it from an eight year old view that might see A New Hope after Rogue One instead of before. They might get confused as to how she ended up with the plans if they didn't see it with their own eyes. Overall, it didn't take away from the movie so I keep it in the *nitpick* category (for me).
Not that it is vital, but I thought it was a nice touch that all black Vader was introduced next to a bunch of predominantly white stormtroopers, but predominantly white Krennic was introduced next to a bunch of all black Death Troopers. It's those little things.
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I've actually seen some Star Wars fans who think there's some ulterior feminist motive having female leads for two movies in a row (Rey and Jyn Erso), and reacted badly. I think it's total BS that something so benign and still so far from equality is even questioned, but hey, that's people for you. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to take time.
Unfortunately on that front, the original writers (not the reshoot/rewrite dude) said that was actually what they were going for. So it can't be called reading into something that isn't there when the actual writers say that was the intent.
I didn't mean it wasn't an intentional decision, but I think in terms of the final outcome, there's nothing to complain about imo, unless you're looking for it with that knowledge in mind influencing how you view it. It didn't affect the movie for me at all. All I saw was a good Star Wars movie.
I watched a video the other day showing a David Prowse interview from back in the day, where he was talking about Vader being big and black, so them choosing a black actor to do the voice over his natural voice, and how James Earl Jones had a good negro voice. It was so awkward. :lol
After watching it again, I think what didn't sit as well with Leia wasn't necessarily her CG, but her audio.
The audio went by so quickly that I didn't pay too close attention, but I found the vocal delivery and motion to be not very convincingly Leia. I think it was a bit too uplifting and positive. I guess they needed that at the end of the movie, but I think it was a bit too overdone.
I'd say the scene was somewhat unnecessary, but you might want to look at it from an eight year old view that might see A New Hope after Rogue One instead of before. They might get confused as to how she ended up with the plans if they didn't see it with their own eyes. Overall, it didn't take away from the movie so I keep it in the *nitpick* category (for me).
I liked the inclusion of it, and was hoping they did it as was rumoured, I think it was just the tone that didn't quite work for me, especially when it leads directly to Leia in the opening of ANH. It worked in the context of the movie though, and I also file it under nitpick.
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I didn't mean it wasn't an intentional decision, but I think in terms of the final outcome, there's nothing to complain about imo,
Definitely agree there. I consider it no different than the complaints about the Nemoidians being an Asian stereotype? What stereotype is that? I put all that crap I hear from both sides in their Star Wars movie race/gender wars outta my head when I watch the movie.
But then again, one of the imperial officers was played by Phil Anselmo so ..... white *whine*
I watched a video the other day showing a David Prowse interview from back in the day, where he was talking about Vader being big and black, so them choosing a black actor to do the voice over his natural voice, and how James Earl Jones had a good negro voice. It was so awkward. :lol
:rollin That must be making the rounds because I just saw that as well. And the Star Wars Holiday special with Grandpa Itchy doing the VR porn thing. It is almost a guarantee I saw that special as a very young kid. Maybe the reason I don't recall is my parents probably saw that scene and said "what is this crap" and forbid me from watching the rest. :eek It will probably come out in therapy one day as most have dealt with the Holiday special.
My kid experience of putting a face to Darth Vader was watching Conan the Barbarian a few years later.
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I only saw the Star Wars Holiday Special a year or two ago, and I don't recall it either. Must be something to do with repressing bad memories. :lol
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I can agree that the overall story of Rogue One beats TFA, at least now when we don't see the entire picture of the sequel trilogy yet, but the reason that I easily think TFA is the better movie is the characters. I remember walking out of TFA thinking "Rey was awesome!", and "I loved Kylo-Ren!", and "Poe was really cool!", and "Omg Han Solo was great!". Unfortunately, the only character I felt like that about after Rogue One was Darth Vader. Jyn was fine, Cassian was fine, K2 was a bit too on the nose with his constant humor, but otherwise fine. I liked Riz Ahmed's pilot, but it wasn't anything special.
What I remember from Rogue One will be the cool and very well done scenes, moments within the story. That's stuff I remember about TFA too, but the biggest thing I took away from that movie is the memory the great characters. You can put Rogue One's character's complexities in text all you like, but it doesn't change that I just didn't feel for them as strongly as I did TFA gang.
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Now that Rogue One is out, this video is even funnier
The Death Star Architect Speaks Out
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcRwGDKulw)
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I can agree that the overall story of Rogue One beats TFA, at least now when we don't see the entire picture of the sequel trilogy yet, but the reason that I easily think TFA is the better movie is the characters. I remember walking out of TFA thinking "Rey was awesome!", and "I loved Kylo-Ren!", and "Poe was really cool!", and "Omg Han Solo was great!". Unfortunately, the only character I felt like that about after Rogue One was Darth Vader. Jyn was fine, Cassian was fine, K2 was a bit too on the nose with his constant humor, but otherwise fine. I liked Riz Ahmed's pilot, but it wasn't anything special.
What I remember from Rogue One will be the cool and very well done scenes, moments within the story. That's stuff I remember about TFA too, but the biggest thing I took away from that movie is the memory the great characters. You can put Rogue One's character's complexities in text all you like, but it doesn't change that I just didn't feel for them as strongly as I did TFA gang.
I agree with all of this.
I really liked Rogue One, while i loved TFA. Biggest reason why i prefer TFA, is the characters!
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While I liked the way they incorporated the vent criticism into the main plot of Rogue One, I don't think it needed any further explanation.
It's a 2m wide hole in a well armoured mobile space station the size of a moon. Nobody would have found that without the blueprints.
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I'll give TFA better characters, but I don't think that's enough to make it a better film.
Especially since TFA characters, mostly, were extensions of characters we've already come to love while Rogue One had to start from scratch.
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There should have been less cartoon Tarkin scenes and more fleshing out characters scenes. I also feel like Forrest Whittaker was kinda wasted in the film. They had the beginnings of an interesting character (I know he's more fleshed out in EU stuff) but then SPOILER he goes out after 30 or 40 minutes and it just felt a bit underwhelming.
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A few points from me that I think are relevant to what everyone's been talking about the last page or so. The second is a bit of a spoiler:
- I agree that Rogue One's characters weren't quite as memorable as The Force Awakens', but also that Rogue One's story was probably better than Force Awakens'. It kind of goes to show just how good Episodes IV and V were: Both had awesome characters and fun, more original stories.
- SPOILER: My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does the Death Star weakness explanation in Rogue One create a problem for Force Awakens? There was no one on the inside of Starkiller Base to intentionally create a weakness, right? So how did they blow the thing up so easily? I don't actually care at all if there's now a plot hole or whatever in Force Awakens, but I just found it funny. :lol
We'll probably find out in Rogue Two...
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I think in The Force Awakens - Han & Finn had to lower the shields and then the base was a sitting duck. They could just fly in and blast away at the power core or whatever.
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A few points from me that I think are relevant to what everyone's been talking about the last page or so. The second is a bit of a spoiler:
- I agree that Rogue One's characters weren't quite as memorable as The Force Awakens', but also that Rogue One's story was probably better than Force Awakens'. It kind of goes to show just how good Episodes IV and V were: Both had awesome characters and fun, more original stories.
- SPOILER: My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does the Death Star weakness explanation in Rogue One create a problem for Force Awakens? There was no one on the inside of Starkiller Base to intentionally create a weakness, right? So how did they blow the thing up so easily? I don't actually care at all if there's now a plot hole or whatever in Force Awakens, but I just found it funny. :lol
We'll probably find out in Rogue Two...
No, Rogue Two is where we see all of the Bothans die!
In all seriousness though, it's a different design of base with a different energy source, so it has different vulnerabilities. Also I figure a lot of that knowledge was lost when the Empire was defeated anyway. I don't think it creates any problems for TFA.
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But yeah seriously, what the hell is a Bothan? I was waiting the entire movie for an explanation.
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I also feel like Forrest Whittaker was kinda wasted in the film. They had the beginnings of an interesting character (I know he's more fleshed out in EU stuff) but then SPOILER he goes out after 30 or 40 minutes and it just felt a bit underwhelming.
Personally, I'm not really interested in any EU stuff or SW Rebels, but I do agree that a few extra minutes spent with certain characters would have been worthwhile. Maybe something about how Saw and Galen knew each other, and especially his time spent raising Jyn. I think they could have made more of the fact that he ditched her when she was 16, so that when she came back to him, there would be an air of hostility between them.
I'd have liked a little bit more on what led Bodhi to defect. What did he see, or what was he ordered to do that he wasn't comfortable with?
I think in The Force Awakens - Han & Finn had to lower the shields and then the base was a sitting duck. They could just fly in and blast away at the power core or whatever.
Yeah, that was it. Please, let's have no more spherical superweapons in any future movies. Actually, just thinking about it, how did the Death Star actually move, to get to where it needed to be to blow up target X? What's the 0-60 on those things? :lol
But yeah seriously, what the hell is a Bothan? I was waiting the entire movie for an explanation.
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan
"Bothans were known to communicate with each other in a series of growls"
A bit like some here on DTF maybe.. :)
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got to see it last night, I apologize for repeating any points that have been made as I'm not quite current on the conversation.
All in all I think it was a really good movie. Good stand alone movie yet it fits perfectly in the SW universe, they did an awesome job in blending those two aspects. I'm on the side of folks who think TFA had more enjoyable characters that grabbed me more, as the RO characters were interesting enough but they didn't leap out and make me want to remember or care about them past their 'use' in this film.
I loved the entire tone of the movie, much more 'dark' than a typical SW film and I liked that aspect of it. My major complaint is that I didn't like the costume change on Vadar. The cape coming over his shoulders and hiding the majority of his breast plate IMO diminished his 'presence' and made him feel more like a halloween costume that a foreboding Sith Lord. At the same time, that final scene he was in was awesome....it had a very 'clone wars' type feel as far as how Anakin would take on large groups of droids/people and just utterly destroy them. I'd have loved to have seen another scene or two of Vadar battling like that and it made me long for a Vadar stand alone film...maybe between ROTS and RO of him getting in and out of danger....perhaps challenging/threatening the Emperor....something/anything because that final scene with him fighting was awesome.
I'm going to see it again with my kiddos to really try and appreciate it but at the moment if I had to pick which one was 'better'....TFA or RO.....I'm still leaning TFA merely because of the entirety of the story, even if that 'story' was just a re-hash it still gave us new characters that we care about. But that's just me and RO is nothing to sneeze at because it was awesome!!
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Almost every single SW film is *about* Vader in some way...
I'd be happy if we never saw him again.
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I'd be happy if we never saw him again.
Really? That scene made me miss him :'( So much so I think I may look into the graphic novels of his exploits.
Maybe a 'greatest hits' film....an hour in length of him just traveling the universe laying the smack down on small factions of resistance.
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To me - I don't care about vader. He's in all 3 of the OT and the entire PT is all about him.
And now he's in Rogue One and is featured in The Force Awakens too.
It would be like if Khan was in all 13 Star Trek films.
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To me - I don't care about vader. He's in all 3 of the OT and the entire PT is all about him.
And now he's in Rogue One and is featured in The Force Awakens too.
It would be like if Khan was in all 13 Star Trek films.
The episodic SW movies are a story about Vader and the Skywalker family.
Khan on the other hand, has very little to do with the grand story of Star Trek. I don't think you can compare Khan and Vader.
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Haha I had no idea who Jimmy Smits was...
When he was lurking in the back I was like " ...and...Jimmy Smits is also here ! ? "
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Almost every single SW film is *about* Vader in some way...
I'd be happy if we never saw him again.
He is the one to bring balance to the force so........
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While I liked the way they incorporated the vent criticism into the main plot of Rogue One, I don't think it needed any further explanation.
It's a 2m wide hole in a well armoured mobile space station the size of a moon and could only be accessed by flying a small, one-man fighter through a well-protected death trap of a trench and, against all odds, not only surviving that nearly unsurvivable flight path, but then also making a virtually impossible shot while flying at a high rate of speed. Nobody would have found that without the blueprints.
Added some text. In short, I agree.
And that again takes me back to the few glaring flaws in the story with TFA, which all surround SKB.1 Your points about how different it was are valid. But still, one of the issues I had is that they made the final act just feel far too similar to ANH, added to the fact that they crammed too much into the film that made the final battle plan and resolution just feel too rushed and thrown-together. Not that I didn't enjoy it. I did. But how that was done definitely detracts from the movie a bit for me.
1 The other issue I had was just how it was able to attack from so far away and you could see the energy beams, apparently, from anywhere in the galaxy. Yeah, it made for some visually stunning scenes that were really cool. But, again, had more thought been put into how to put those sequences together in a manner that would actually somewhat make sense would have achieved the same effect without being the distraction that many of us found it to be.
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Vader is not only my favorite villain of all time, but might very well be my favorite character of all time, so the more vader the better and I really like the rogue one vader. That's the vader I want. Up until this point, Empire vader was the one I loved the most:
Episode IV - He's kind of Tarkin's bitch. Sure, he busts stuff up, but I always feel that subordination to tarkin
Episode V - Total badass, murdering everyone that get's in his way and kicking ass. Besides that one small call to the emperor, he answers to no one and he is in command, making strategic decisions.
Episode VI- He's the emperor's bitch, docile and subordinate. He just kind of hangs out on the command ship. Not feeling it
So its nice to get the badass, independent vader back on the screen. And yeah tarkin dispatched him, but this time, he felt like he was doing his own thing.
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Almost every single SW film is *about* Vader in some way...
I'd be happy if we never saw him again.
He is the one to bring balance to the force so........
:yawn:
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:lol
What?! You no like the Vader? :lol
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I love Vader and think he's one of the best villains ever put on the big screen, but the prequels really "ruined" him. In the original trilogy he's the right hand man of the Emperor, he is fierce and he is badass, but he is still a somewhat grounded character IMO. But then the prequels made him out to be Space-Jesus with everything revolving around him, and it didn't really match the picture we got of him in the original films.
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I don't *mind* Star Wars. I don't obsess about it like some people. They're just films.
And i've never found vader remotely scary or menacing :dunno:
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Hopefully, no Star Wars fans are trolling the Star Trek thread. Star Wars fans v. Star Trek fans is one of the stupidest phenomenons of geekdom.
If you have watched as few as three of the SW films and haven't figured out the story is essentially about the Skywalkers, which amazingly includes the main one, Vader, then :facepalm:
This is why ESB will probably always be the favorite SW. Sure there's all the technical aspects and emotion, but what it boils down to is that movie took it from "episodic space battles" to a very personal story that changed how we looked at the series as a whole.
Bothans were the RotJ Death Star, not the ANH Death Star. More importantly, the emperor flat out tells you that he purposely allowed the Bothans to successfully steal the plans. Afterall
(https://wiseguyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/its-a-trap.jpg)
The reference to that in R1 was beautifully done. It addresses the so called plot holes fans always point out in SW or any other movie. Why didn't the characters see *that* coming? Because they aren't watching it from a movie screen. If you are in a war where double and triple agents are in play, feints are made to misdirect, etc, etc, you would be paralyzed and do nothing if you didn't react to events simply because "this could be a trap."
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I'm not trolling.
I just don't like Vader as a villain.
I also thought that Cmdr. Kruge, Sybok and Ru'Afo were pretty weak villains too.
I loved The Force Awakens but thought that Rogue One was a 6/10 movie.
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Your mom is a pretty weak villain.
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I also thought that Cmdr. Kruge, Sybok and Ru'Afo were pretty weak villains too.
How dare you bash the Doc.
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For me
1. Empire
2. Force Awakens
3. Rogue One
4. Jedi
5. A new hope
6. Revenge of the sith
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Your mom is a pretty weak villain.
Tends to happen when you've been dead 20 years...
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
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Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
So if you see something in Ep. 8 that makes you rewatch a scene or think of, say, Finn in a different light, you think that is bad writing? That is the type of stuff I absolutely love.
Exclusion can be a very good method of writing (or directing). An example would be R1 Vader's first scene. The planet did not have the text "Mustafar - Vader's castle". It was intentionally left out so as not to lessen what was to follow.
So the fact that each character in TFA has so many "holes" can be good writing. And some of the holes may not be obvious. Kenobi talking about Luke's father as a Jedi killed by Vader made it feel like it wasn't the mystery you were looking for. You just accepted it as something that happened and nothing more than motivation. When Owen says "that's what I'm afraid of" when Beru says "He has too much of his father in him", you think it is nothing more than he's worried Luke is going to get himself killed. After Empire, the line takes on a whole new and exciting meaning.
That is top notch writing as far as I'm concerned.
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Finn and Rey are brother and sister. I'm calling it
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Finn and Rey are brother and sister. I'm calling it
Who are the parents? Same father? Does BB8 know and that's why he's always between them. R2 gave him that hint. "Beep da beep make sure they don't kiss boop"
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
??? What?
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Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
So if you see something in Ep. 8 that makes you rewatch a scene or think of, say, Finn in a different light, you think that is bad writing? That is the type of stuff I absolutely love.
Exclusion can be a very good method of writing (or directing). An example would be R1 Vader's first scene. The planet did not have the text "Mustafar - Vader's castle". It was intentionally left out so as not to lessen what was to follow.
So the fact that each character in TFA has so many "holes" can be good writing. And some of the holes may not be obvious. Kenobi talking about Luke's father as a Jedi killed by Vader made it feel like it wasn't the mystery you were looking for. You just accepted it as something that happened and nothing more than motivation. When Owen says "that's what I'm afraid of" when Beru says "He has too much of his father in him", you think it is nothing more than he's worried Luke is going to get himself killed. After Empire, the line takes on a whole new and exciting meaning.
That is top notch writing as far as I'm concerned.
I said dependent. Not enhanced.
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
??? What?
If I have to watch movie B to enjoy movie A, then movie A was not well done.
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
??? What?
If I have to watch movie B to enjoy movie A, then movie A was not well done.
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I still don't follow you, Adami. Intentionally obscuring a plot point so as not to reveal it too early, as in the example Jester just gave, makes the prior movie necessarily dependent on the later movie where the big reveal will take place.
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I still don't follow you, Adami. Intentionally obscuring a plot point so as not to reveal it too early, as in the example Jester just gave, makes the prior movie necessarily dependent on the later movie where the big reveal will take place.
Yea, but i more meant that it doesn't also work as a film in its own.
Events in Star Wars depend on Empire to fully make sense and events in Empire require Jedi.
But they all succeed as their own movie.
I can watch either of those 3 films and not need to watch the next to love it.
A counter example is Pirates 2. It doesn't really work as a movie because it doesn't do anything besides set up the next movie.
It's more when you need the sequel to love the original.
It's also possible I'm arguing something totally different and being an idiot.
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I think what you're saying is when a sequel tries to fix the problems of the first movie is when the first movie fails.
I be Alien Covenant will try to fix prometheus.
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
??? What?
If I have to watch movie B to enjoy movie A, then movie A was not well done.
Then this would unequivocally make TFA the worst movie of the SW franchise. Using that standard outright calls for the conclusion.
The big difference between ANH and TFA is that Lucas went into ANH having a larger picture, but realizing it could also be the only Star Wars movie ever made if it wasn't received well. So he had to move some elements from other episodes (Death Star) to ANH and both set it up for more and have a somewhat conclusive ending. That was purely because of the economics of movie making itself. TFA went in with a near guarantee that it would absolutely be the first in the trilogy. The fact that R1 production started before TFA was even released was concrete proof to the studios commitment.
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Let's compare it to the standard Hollywood sequel.
Those sequels, 99% of the time, are just a new adventure that was never meant to be an extension of the first other than the first set up financial funding and proved the business model.
As much as I love Rocky, the sequels did provide a nice look at the career of a boxer, but it seemed pretty clear that the stories were an afterthought. One could even argue that Rocky 2 somewhat ruined Rocky 1. The story of a boxer that just wanted to have one event he could point to in his life and say "I did that". He didn't "want no rematch".
It was a huge hit. Rocky 2 found a way to make it a story worth telling, but it clearly was not where Rocky 1 was headed. I can appreciate both. Heck, I even like the Rocky movies that are *jokes*. But in some ways, they took away from the Rocky 1 story. I just try to put that out of my mind and enjoy them.
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Now let's talk about the "please shoot me" Hollywood sequel+ franchises.
Ghostbusters 2 was pure crap and probably hurt the Ghostbusters original's legacy. And the reboot, well, it really made Cartman's view of the world credible.
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Speaking of pointless sequels - there's a Flatliners remake out next year...............
CANNOT WAIT FOR THE INEVITABLE HEADLINE WHEN IT TANKS.
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Speaking of pointless sequels, there's no need to post three times in a row instead of simply editing your original post if there is something you want to add.
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Because nobody else did that or anything.
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So don't post too many words, if the chapter (post) gets too long or the tangent calls for a new chapter (post), wait until somebody else posts, not knowing if the thread is going to go dead or in overdrive?
Seems like a lot of work for casual discussion. Star Wars
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s paceshi ps
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The fact that Empire was so pivotal (of course it was. Act 2 is usually the pivotal act) is why I'm reserving final judgment on TFA. The next two can literally make everything about TFA awesome or a joke. Quite frankly, that's good writing. When a sequel movie is pivotal and each can't really work without the other. That is the beauty of Star Wars.
Making a movie dependent on the movie that will come after it is not good writing.
??? What?
If I have to watch movie B to enjoy movie A, then movie A was not well done.
Then this would unequivocally make TFA the worst movie of the SW franchise. Using that standard outright calls for the conclusion.
I disagree. I think it worked just fine as a movie.
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So don't post too many words, if the chapter (post) gets too long or the tangent calls for a new chapter (post), wait until somebody else posts, not knowing if the thread is going to go dead or in overdrive?
No. As I said, edit the existing post to add in the new information rather than tacking on an endless string of consecutive posts.
And, Kowtow, I don't need you either giving your own two cents on moderating the forum when I am attempting to instruct a new member on how to post appropriately, or you spamming the thread by posting things that don't contribute anything to the discussion, like "s paceshi ps."
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I disagree. I think it worked just fine as a movie.
So if that was a standalone movie, you'd be ok with hearing about this Luke Skywalker and how important he is to have it just end with that scene?
What would you know about Luke? He set up some school, screwed it up and ran into hiding ... therefore we need him to stop ... what? Starkiller base? Nope.
Seven not only absolutely needs 1 to 6 to work, but without question needs at least an 8.
Finn was simply goofball with little value. Don't tell me how the janitor (that was out on the most important mission for some odd reason) knew that you need to upset the flux capacitor or how to blow it up and what it would mean was vital to the story in anyway.
Brought Rey into the alliance, I mean resistance? Nope. That was BB8 and running from the Empire, I mean First Order. He told her where the base was. Wait, that was BB8. Oh, he said shields are bad. Did they not know that using ... an IQ above mentally incompetent?
As the movie stands on its own, it will rate low for me. It really needs the rest of the saga to give it any meaning or direction. It is extremely easy to pick apart, so I am assuming this has more to do with the setup stages and the "hiding" of plot points and true character backgrounds. Therefore, I'm not going say my questions are actual problems as of this point.
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And, Kowtow, I don't need you either giving your own two cents on moderating the forum when I am attempting to instruct a new member on how to post appropriately, or you spamming the thread by posting things that don't contribute anything to the discussion, like "s paceshi ps."
I'll be honest. Obviously kotow and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum on Star Wars. But his s paceshi ps post I found charming as a friendly wink "hey, we are just having a fun conversation and we aren't taking this as seriously or as personally as the previous words might suggest." I appreciate when people can challenge each other without feeling challenged.
I don't know if somebody is going to post between this and my last post, but I think there is something to be said for separating one post in response to Adami (a friendly response about Star Wars) and this post a response to Kotow as much to boskadmin. It does happen frequently here. PR forum is filled with it, Stadler being the #1 offender. Has it been brought to his attention?
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I saw Rogue One on Friday night, and loved it! I definitely enjoyed it more than The Force Awakens. I guess since it ties in with the original film's story, it made it all the better. Did anyone else have the urge to watch A New Hope as soon as you got home? :corn
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Although inevitable.....I feel like the comparison between TFA and RO isn't really apples to apples. Abrams and his team were petitioned with the monument two task or not only recapturing the damaged interest of the 'original' Star Wars Fans to make up for the sour taste the prequels left in the majority of people's mouths....they also were mandated to make a movie that would introduce and usher in a whole new wave of fans. I really don't see how that could have been done any better than they did.
The RO folks pretty much had free reign as far as what type of direction they wanted to tell the story of stealing the Dearh Star plans. That was their only constraint. Your stealing the plans for the Death Star. Tell us how they did it.
I enjoyed the heck out of both movies....but they are completely different mind sets.
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I disagree. I think it worked just fine as a movie.
So if that was a standalone movie, you'd be ok with hearing about this Luke Skywalker and how important he is to have it just end with that scene?
What would you know about Luke? He set up some school, screwed it up and ran into hiding ... therefore we need him to stop ... what? Starkiller base? Nope.
Seven not only absolutely needs 1 to 6 to work, but without question needs at least an 8.
Finn was simply goofball with little value. Don't tell me how the janitor (that was out on the most important mission for some odd reason) knew that you need to upset the flux capacitor or how to blow it up and what it would mean was vital to the story in anyway.
Brought Rey into the alliance, I mean resistance? Nope. That was BB8 and running from the Empire, I mean First Order. He told her where the base was. Wait, that was BB8. Oh, he said shields are bad. Did they not know that using ... an IQ above mentally incompetent?
As the movie stands on its own, it will rate low for me. It really needs the rest of the saga to give it any meaning or direction. It is extremely easy to pick apart, so I am assuming this has more to do with the setup stages and the "hiding" of plot points and true character backgrounds. Therefore, I'm not going say my questions are actual problems as of this point.
First off, this is NOT a friendly conversation. We are at war sir!
Kidding of course.
I think we're just defining "works as a movie" differently.
Also, I said dependent on subsequent movies. Having a movie need the previous movies is fine and logical. So that's not what I was getting at.
But here, I'll illustrate my basic point in a quick sentence.
Could you see yourself, ever, just wanting to watch TFA by itself? Like it's a Tuesday evening and you're in the mood for the movie, do you ever imagine just watching TFA without also having to watch whatever Episodes 8 and possibly 9 are? If so, that's how I define working just fine as a movie.
Do you think anyone ever just wants to watch Pirates 2 by itself? No. Because it doesn't work as a movie, only as a piece of a (lame) puzzle. Same with Matrix 2. Unless it's to see how good/bad it is, no one wants to watch it by itself.
Cool? We cool.
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For the record, Pirates 2 is my favorite in the franshise and I've watched it multiple times by itself.
Also, I define "works as a movie" by how much I enjoy watching it. I've seen TFA five times at the theater and the one more time at home. Once episodes 8 and 9 are out, watching TFA might make me want to continue on to the rest, but it won't make me not enjoy my time watching TFA. So that's why I think it works "on its own", while it will definetely depend on the others to tell the full story. I don't fault an episode of TV for depending on the other episodes.
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This is how i'd rank the SW movies now, after i've had some time to process Rogue One..
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2 A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones
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This is how i'd rank the SW movies now, after i've had some time to process Rogue One..
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2 A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones
Hmmm....this might change upon repeated viewings of TFA and Rogue One, but....
1. Empire
2. A New Hope
3. Rogue One
4. TFA
5. Jedi
6. Phantom
7. Revenge
8. Holiday Special
9. Caravan of Courage
10. Attack of the Clones
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8. Holiday Special
9. Caravan of Courage
10. Attack of the Clones
:lol
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I don't have an actual ranking order; rather, I have my tiers:
-- Tier 1: The Classics
A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back
-- Tier 2: Awesometacular
The Force Awakens, Rogue One
-- Tier 3: Really Good
Return of the Jedi
-- Tier 4: It's Star Wars, I Enjoy It, but It Ruins Darth Vader
The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith
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Your rankings are forgetting : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film)
:biggrin:
EDIT : FU HTML ! :angry:
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I like Jedi a lot, its just that the tone is very different than Empire. That dark, threatening and perilous feeling is gone. That rush, that excitement, that urgency. I just don't feel it. Even the sharp whitty humor and dialogue isn't there really. The film just kind of plays out.
Sure you have wicked scenes like the duel before the emperor and the space battle, but then there's sharp shifts in tone to the wacky, cute and cuddly Ewoks
And going after another death star feels kind of redundant as well. I would have liked to see Luke "surrender" himself or something to be transported to coruscant and brought before the Emperor. And then the entire rebel fleet attacks coruscant and Luke/Vader defeat the emperor, Vader dies and Luke lowers the shields from the heart of the capital or something. At least something different than another death star.
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1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. The Force Awakens
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. A New Hope
7. Attack of the Clones
8. The Phantom Menace
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1. Empire Strikes Back
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
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6. Phantom Menace
7. Revenge of the Sith
8. Attack of the Clones
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I enjoyed the movie alot, actually more than I thought. Didn't really have much expectations for this movie comparerd to TFA so I went into it with curiosity rather than hype. I think the main thing I enjoyed the most was how entertaining and fun the movie was.
K-2SO was a fun surprise, some of his lines were hilarious which I didn't expect. Btw I didn't realise Alan Tudyk (Firefly) did his voice, that was cool.
I have to agree that the first Vader scene felt weird for some reason, not sure why. The Vader fight scene was cool though.
Overall, the movie was a nice surprise.
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Someone needs to make a very quick edit of the film where Vader's line about choking on aspirations is cut out, thus making that scene a lot better.
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Someone needs to make a very quick edit of the film where Vader's line about choking on aspirations is cut out, thus making that scene a lot better.
But that was the best part of the scene
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Someone needs to make a very quick edit of the film where Vader's line about choking on aspirations is cut out, thus making that scene a lot better.
But that was the best part of the scene
I find your lack of taste disturbing.
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" Don't choke on your aspirations..."
...*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays...*
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I thought the line was okay. Cheesy, but I didn't really mind.
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I thought the line was okay. Cheesy, but I didn't really mind.
It fits in with how Vader is as a character IMO. Look at the OT, Vader definitely has a cheesy vibe to him and there was a "wink wink" quality to his character where he was a badass, but would still find time to mock people in a humorous way. I feel like Rogue One picked up on that and the pun was a nice little nod to how Vader's character was in the original trilogy. The idea that Vader is a dark and brooding, 100% serious child-murderer like portrayed in the prequel trilogy, I always felt like that was a little bit off. I get that Vader is a bad guy, but in the OT he always walked that fine line of being a fun and somewhat cheesy character while also being menacing. To quote Plinkett, "Did we really need a scene where Anakin murders children in a Star Wars movie?"
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I'm not much of a Star Wars fans, but surprisingly really enjoyed The Force Awakens - it was just so much fun. I'd class Rogue One as decent, but not as good - the first half is kind off drab and the characters are pretty forgettable. The Second Half picks up well and I came out happy enough.
Rankings...
The Force Awakens.
Rogue One.
Star Wars.
Jedi
Empire (I just don't get the love of this film).
****
The Prequels - Hard to rate as I simply couldn't finish either Menace or Clones. I did manage to get though Sith but I wasn't much cop.
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After seeing the film a second time today, I might have to downgrade it to the "Really Good" tier with Return of the Jedi. The slow first couple of acts and less memorable characters stood out a little more this time around.
Otherwise, I still loved it. The third act is unbelievable and the final five minutes or so are perfect. I was actually even more impressed by CGI Tarkin now than I was before. I also enjoyed the soundtrack more than originally. What a time to be a Star Wars fan, eh?
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I was thinking that Disney are basically set.
I mean they're obviously going to try to make great movies.
But no matter how poor a future SW film is - people can just go " well it wasn't the best but it's not Attack of The Clones :lol "
Any future SW movie will have to be Pretty Damn Awful to be worse than the Prequel Trilogy.
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I still don't really get the plot to phantom menace and definitely didn't have a clue when I saw it when I was 11.
So, if she signed the treaty then how does that help Palpatine again? And Maul was dispatched to bring her back to naboo, but her getting to coruscant allowed the vote of no confidence which palpatine definitely wanted.
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I could go into greater detail, but I think the big picture is simply this: Palpatine was orchestrating civil war and takeover of the Senate, and was setting up several contingency plans to bring that about. He also was orchestrating Anakin being trained. Although things appear not to have gone exactly according to plan, he was successful in laying the groundwork for all of that, and we see the aftermath in the next two films.
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They made those prequel movies with all of these politics that kids either didn't understand or still don't understand yet laid it out as a kids movie and then murdered kids in the movies. :facepalm: It's such a train wreck. You can't tell if you are watching a cartoon or not half of the time. I just don't even count them.
With everyone being a super douche about politics over the last few years-months it was nice to be able to enjoy a Star Wars movie again without it having all of the political overtones. I really enjoyed Rogue One more than I thought I would :corn For me:
1) ESB V
2) Star Wars IV
3) ROTJ VI
4) Rogue One
5) Force Awakens
Prequels = DIE! :xbones
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I got a chuckle :lol
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:lol
Now I'm imagining James Earl Jones delivering those lines.
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And getting it out of his suit?! Fugeddaboutit!
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Maybe he got it in his suit and that's why he has trouble breathing through it.
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He does save money on suntan lotion.
He's already tan. :neverusethis:
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Maybe he got it in his suit and that's why he has trouble breathing through it.
He's definitely got sand somewhere . . .
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On the note of the score, did anyone else notice the music after the main character's father dies and they are leaving? It sounded just like the reality/waking up in a pod scene music from The Matrix. The result of temp music maybe?
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Over all, I thought the movie was fine. It's easier for me to pick out the little complaints I have rather than everything it did right, so here's a nitpick list:
For the first 30 minutes of the movie, I was kind of confused as to what was going on, what they were trying to accomplish, etc. That's might've just been me though. I understood later, but it would've been nice if I had understood it a bit sooner.
I think a big part was the whole business with the soldier that saved Jyn. He was barely a character, and for some reason I thought he was going to be more important, but really, he wasn't. So that confused me.
" Don't choke on your aspirations..."
This was kind of bad for me. :lol I was like, "Is this happening now? Darth Vader is punning?" "Don't choke on your aspirations...I don't want to force you into an awkward position...Don't call back until you have the Rebels by the throat...Hopefully your next report will really take my breath away...
I think it could've work if he had said the line sooner or there was less of a long drawn out choking sequence. The timing was just a bit off.
And on the Deathstar blowing up that Imperial base:
Made for one hell of a cool shot, with the explosion in the background and everything.
Yeah, it's a good thing that they randomly decided to shoot a couple dozen miles outside of the base instead directly at it like on Jehda, otherwise we wouldn't have had a neat looking explosion in the background.
This:
If we are going to get picky, not sure how I feel about the Rebel Blockade Runner fleeing the actual scene of the crime where Vader was just steps from gaining entry.
It would be the equivalent to a police car chase ending with the police stopping the car, confronting the driver and the driver says "is there a problem officer?"
And then a couple of monents where there were shoehorned Star Wars(TM) things like the blue milk (omg did you see it??? Remember that?), the cantina characters, C3PO and R2 (which I think could've worked if they'd simply changed 3PO's line from "they're going to Scarif?" to "we're going to Scarif?"), and Leia's cameo with the embarrassing smile and "hope" line. Those kinds of wink wink nudge nudge moments worked in TFA because that was like 90% of the entire movie. Not so much in this one imo.
Tarkin's face was obviously CGI. But I thought it was acceptable.
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" Don't choke on your aspirations..."
This was kind of bad for me. :lol I was like, "Is this happening now? Darth Vader is punning?" "Don't choke on your aspirations...I don't want to force you into an awkward position...Don't call back until you have the Rebels by the throat...Hopefully your next report will really take my breath away...
What's the issue? He has always been doing that. Remember, "Apology accepted?" And that was in ESB--pretty much everyone's favorite portrayal of Vader.
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It's still not perfect but I thought CGI Peter Cushing was the best i'd seen.
Compared to CGI Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy it's massive improvement.
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At first, I seriously thought it was an actual look alike actor. I was pretty impressed with the cgi tarkin
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" Don't choke on your aspirations..."
This was kind of bad for me. :lol I was like, "Is this happening now? Darth Vader is punning?" "Don't choke on your aspirations...I don't want to force you into an awkward position...Don't call back until you have the Rebels by the throat...Hopefully your next report will really take my breath away...
What's the issue? He has always been doing that. Remember, "Apology accepted?" And that was in ESB--pretty much everyone's favorite portrayal of Vader.
Saying "apology accepted" isn't quite as bad as the pun especially with that delivery. But like I said, I think the problem was mostly in the timing. It seemed to be edited as a comedy scene, or at least that's how it came across to me. Like yes, it's a joke, but that kind of thing shouldn't be laugh out loud funny. Like when he said "apology accepted," it's not funny in a haha kind of way. It's like, holy shit this Darth Vader guy is a maniac.
And also, these are just little nitpicks that don't really ruin the movie for me or anything. Just my small worthless opinions.
At first, I seriously thought it was an actual look alike actor. I was pretty impressed with the cgi tarkin
It was really clear to me, because the CGI face has kind of weird head movements. Almost like it can never stay still while talking. There's the really subtle and smooth head bobbing thing...I'm not sure how to explain it, but it something I've noticed in all realistic CGI characters, even the non human ones, and in how they talk.
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Like in All Hanna Barbera cartoons - where people constantly nod when talking :lol
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I wonder if whoever left Rey on Jakku, bargained the Falcon as payment for simon pegg to look after rey
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I wonder if whoever left Rey on Jakku, bargained the Falcon as payment for simon pegg to look after rey
I Love that Simon Pegg hates the prequels so much and ends up playing the new Watto :lol
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I immediately saw that Tarkin was CGI in his first scene, and it distracted me a little bit. But then I thought it got better as the movie went on. There was one or two scenes in there were I thought it looked completely believable.
Leia though.. Not so much.
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Actual Rogue One screenshot.
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I immediately saw that Tarkin was CGI in his first scene, and it distracted me a little bit. But then I thought it got better as the movie went on. There was one or two scenes in there were I thought it looked completely believable.
Leia though.. Not so much.
I went for a second viewing today, and tbh the CGI Tarkin was better than I remembered. There were definitely a couple of scenes that were 100% spot on. Others were so close, but just not enough to fool my brain into thinking I was watching a real person.
With Leia, I think it was something about the mouth movement that just looked off. It was like her face looked a little too long. I think this scene could have worked better with no dialogue, just a turn to camera and a hint of a smile, maybe.
Overall though, the movie was just as good second time. The slow start and the jumpiness between locations didn't seem as bad either. The action still felt as intense, and that hallway scene at the end! :eek
One thing I picked up on that I didn't notice last time is that when Krennic is being choked by Vader, at the very end of the scene he has a smirk on his face as if to say "Job done, got away with that". I suppose he's just happy to still be in command, and have survived an encounter with Vader.
There is still something about that scene that feels slightly off though.. I don't think Vader's line something like "its ability to cause problems is well noted" sounds like something he would say.
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Going to have to look again but I remember in Benjamin Button, Brad Pitt look quite convincing during all of his various ages. The CGI team won an Oscar for their effort that year too. I wonder if it was the scale of the amount of CG involved that made certain parts of the face look off and some that was fine.
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Yeah, the Benjamin Button effects were very good. The de-aging on Robert Downey Jr's for the teenage Tony Stark in Captain America Civil War was also excellent.
Though I suppose a digital nip and tuck on an actor's performance is a different ballgame to creating a whole face based on a deceased actor.
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Yeah, the Benjamin Button effects were very good. The de-aging on Robert Downey Jr's for the teenage Tony Stark in Captain America Civil War was also excellent.
Though I suppose a digital nip and tuck on an actor's performance is a different ballgame to creating a whole face based on a deceased actor.
Yep. When they de-age, they can still usually retain the eyes, and the movement of those mouth muscles, which are the most difficult parts to emulate. Once you have to do that all from scratch, it's a different ballgame. Eyes are notoriously difficult to get right in CG and a lot more complex than they seem, and facial animation is very complex.
It was really clear to me, because the CGI face has kind of weird head movements. Almost like it can never stay still while talking. There's the really subtle and smooth head bobbing thing...I'm not sure how to explain it, but it something I've noticed in all realistic CGI characters, even the non human ones, and in how they talk.
Yes, I noticed that too. There was a subtle jitter throughout his scenes. The body was still live action, so maybe their head tracking wasn't quite perfect in overlaying the CG head, or maybe they used motion capture for the facial performance and didn't filter it smoothly enough, I don't know.
Still, it was probably the most convincing full CG face I've seen in a movie so far. I think CGI Leia perhaps looks a bit better in still shots, but the animation was not right.
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It definitely still had the uncanny valley thing going on, but its moving closer and closer in the realism direction
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I may have missed it, but why did Tarkin blow up the imperial base at the end with the death star. It looked like they were in the process of winning the battle as it was and why blow up the archive with all the empire's engineering blueprints and plans?
going back to this question . . . I don't doubt that Tarkin was a bit eager to fire on the base because he knew it would get Krennic out of the way once and for all.
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I think he also wanted to show why everyone should be terrified of the Empire.
Dude blew up his own base, he does NOT lose at chicken.
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I may have missed it, but why did Tarkin blow up the imperial base at the end with the death star. It looked like they were in the process of winning the battle as it was and why blow up the archive with all the empire's engineering blueprints and plans?
going back to this question . . . I don't doubt that Tarkin was a bit eager to fire on the base because he knew it would get Krennic out of the way once and for all.
That's a good point. I forgot about internal politics and backstabbing. That makes sense
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The base was also compromised adding to the other points and he wanted to destroy any rebels on the base and stop the transmission.
Which he didn't.
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I may have missed it, but why did Tarkin blow up the imperial base at the end with the death star. It looked like they were in the process of winning the battle as it was and why blow up the archive with all the empire's engineering blueprints and plans?
going back to this question . . . I don't doubt that Tarkin was a bit eager to fire on the base because he knew it would get Krennic out of the way once and for all.
That's a good point. I forgot about internal politics and backstabbing. That makes sense
and the fact that the Emperor and Vadar would most likely take out their frustration over losing the plans on a few people....including him. He was just trying to make sure, you know....."I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure..."
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Oh No!!! It's being reported that Carrie Fisher had a heart attack on a plane flight from London to LA and that she may not have been breathing for 10 minutes or so!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4062946/Carrie-Fisher-60-suffers-heart-attack-transatlantic-flight-fellow-passengers-resorted-giving-star-CPR.html
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-carrie-fisher-cardiac-20161223-story.html
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/carrie-fisher-suffers-heart-attack-plane-report-212835588.html
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Did she see her self in Rogue One...?
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I was gonna say her CGI self saying hope jinxed it. Man, I hope she's okay. :'(
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Live action Darth Vader vs batman. Pleasantly surprised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj23dwWHukY
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ROFL. Hilarious if true.
How long after ROTS is A New Hope ? 10 years ? 15 ?
Anakin is an old man in ROTJ and Jar Jar knew him as a wee bairn.
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ROFL. Hilarious if true.
How long after ROTS is A New Hope ? 10 years ? 15?
However old Luke and Liea are. So 18? 20?
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Yeah so Jar jar would be mighty old by then having been around when Anakin was a little 'un.
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ROFL. Hilarious if true.
How long after ROTS is A New Hope ? 10 years ? 15?
However old Luke and Liea are. So 18? 20?
Yep, I think it's 18 years.
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I don't see Rogue making $1bn. 2nd weekend is never as good as the first. maybe 33% less at best ? 2nd w/e probably gonna be around $150 - $200m at best.
And then it will be even less 3rd week etc.
Ok so opening weekend was $290m and second week was $260m. Pretty good drop off.
It may make $1bn yet. Next two weeks will be interesting. Will it have legs / repeat viewings / make it to $1bn in 4 weeks ?
Or will it plateau from here on out and then plummet ?
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I have a question for those of you that have vast SW knowledge as I'm an enthusiastic fan but don't know much at all about the expanded universe and what not. My boys and i started watching Clone Wars, we are in season three....but what I've been confused about is the fact that Anakin has a Padawon and he's called 'master'?
Doesn't the clone wars show take place in between the 'clone wars' and ROTS? And, wasn't a large aspect of the fuel on the fire for Anakin being ticked off and then siding with Palpatine the fact the Jedi council wouldnt pronounce him a master?
Is this just an intentional error in congruity to add to the Clone Wars TV series? Or has this been explained away somewhere?
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I think it's that Ashoka calls him 'master' as in he's just her teacher, but he doesn't have the official rank of Jedi Master. I don't really know the details, but that's my take on it.
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Just saw the movie and really enjoyed it. Sure it lacks the charm/wit of the OT but I like the more serious atmosphere for a change. The dogfight and geographical CGI were a cut above TFA in my opinion but the human CGI's were unconvincing.
The only other thing I thought was off was Vader. Something about him.............the outfit , the gait , the voice.....??.....possibly all of the above. It just didn't feel like "him" to me.
Overall though I really liked it.
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The only other thing I thought was off was Vader. Something about him.............the outfit , the gait , the voice.....??.....possibly all of the above. It just didn't feel like "him" to me.
It was the outfit. They changed it for this movie and pulled his cape up over his shoulders and covered his breastplate. This outfit looked like a knock off Halloween costume. That remains my largest complaint about the film, why they F'd with his outfit when there was no need to.
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The only other thing I thought was off was Vader. Something about him.............the outfit , the gait , the voice.....??.....possibly all of the above. It just didn't feel like "him" to me.
It was the outfit. They changed it for this movie and pulled his cape up over his shoulders and covered his breastplate. This outfit looked like a knock off Halloween costume. That remains my largest complaint about the film, why they F'd with his outfit when there was no need to.
Interesting. Given that Rogue One and Episode IV are essentially moments apart, why wouldn't they want it to look exactly the same?
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I haven't double checked this, but I was under the impression that his suit here is made to look like the Episode IV suit. And then it changes for episodes V and VI.
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Oh No!!! It's being reported that Carrie Fisher had a heart attack on a plane flight from London to LA and that she may not have been breathing for 10 minutes or so!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4062946/Carrie-Fisher-60-suffers-heart-attack-transatlantic-flight-fellow-passengers-resorted-giving-star-CPR.html
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-carrie-fisher-cardiac-20161223-story.html
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/carrie-fisher-suffers-heart-attack-plane-report-212835588.html
She's gone... :(
https://www.tmz.com/2016/12/27/carrie-fisher-dead/
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No, you're fucking kidding me. :( RIP.
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Nooooo :omg: :'( :(
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Oh No!!! It's being reported that Carrie Fisher had a heart attack on a plane flight from London to LA and that she may not have been breathing for 10 minutes or so!?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4062946/Carrie-Fisher-60-suffers-heart-attack-transatlantic-flight-fellow-passengers-resorted-giving-star-CPR.html
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-carrie-fisher-cardiac-20161223-story.html
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/carrie-fisher-suffers-heart-attack-plane-report-212835588.html
She's gone... :(
https://www.tmz.com/2016/12/27/carrie-fisher-dead/
Man....so sad.
Every moment in life is precious
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From Lemmy to Keith Emerson, to Prince, to Carrie...
For me, being a huge Star Wars fan, this just cuts so deep. :(
Horrible end to a terrible year.
R.I.P Carrie.
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Horrible end to a terrible year.
Don't give up hope! Still four more days to get worse. Who knows? Maybe Betty White and Dick Van Dyke can still go out Romeo and Juliet style.
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Horrible end to a terrible year.
Don't give up hope! Still four more days to get worse. Who knows? Maybe Betty White and Dick Van Dyke can still go out Romeo and Juliet style.
Don't you dare joke about Betty White. Seriously.
If her or Shatner go, I'm quitting.
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Holy shit
RIP
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Horrible end to a terrible year.
Don't give up hope! Still four more days to get worse. Who knows? Maybe Betty White and Dick Van Dyke can still go out Romeo and Juliet style.
Don't you dare joke about Betty White. Seriously.
If her or Shatner go, I'm quitting.
Betty White rents an occasional office on the same floor (same building) as my practicum. Most of the employees there have run into her a bunch of times.
So she has to live long enough for me to also run into her.
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But I don't think that is what is best for society at large. From what I understand, your hotness could very well be the fatal blow. Her heart can't repel firepower of that magnitude!
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I do wonder if/how this will affect episodes 8 and 9. I don't keep up with that type of news, but far along is filming for 8?
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I do wonder if/how this will affect episodes 8 and 9. I don't keep up with that type of news, but far along is filming for 8?
Principal photography for 8 is done, as far as i know.
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:(
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SW 8 had wrapped photography. But they have enough time to do quick reshoots if they want to include some tribute to her...
Episode 9 isn't due out til December 2019 and won't start filming for another year i'd imagine so there's plenty of time to do re-writes if she was integral to the plot.
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I finally saw Rogue One on Monday.
There is no question it was better than Episode VII, which is a movie which only got worse and worse the more I reflected on it. Frankly it's the worst movie in the franchise. That said I'm not head over heels for Rogue One like some people. I found it to be a good move, but not a great one. The early parts seemed too choppy and disjointed, but the second half was definitely solid.
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Episode 7 the worst one ?
Excuse me whilst I die laughing on the floor.
Even if it was scene for scene - shot for shot an EXACT remake of A New Hope - it still wouldn't be worse than Attack of The Clones. Which is hideous on every single level.
And don't give me that " TFA was a remake - at least the prequels did something new ..."
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Episode 7 the worst one ?
Excuse me whilst I die laughing on the floor.
this so hard
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Episode 7 the worst one ?
Excuse me whilst I die laughing on the floor.
this so hard
:vader:
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" TFA was a remake - at least the prequels did something new ..."
That is what it boils down to. While cinematically I was blown away by Episode VII, I can't tell you how many times I was nearly nauseated by it.
The prequels have their issues, but I don't feel nearly as embarrassed for the writers watching them.
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Writer.
Singular.
George Lucas.
If i'm not mistaken - he wrote all 3 prequels on his own. Or at least the first drafts. Either way - Episode 7 has an easy to follow plot - even if it is recycled.
The plots to the prequels are notoriously convoluted. Plus that awful awful dialogue. And awful CGI which looked bad in 1999. And Jar Jar of course.
And horrible wooden acting from great actors like Ewen McGregor...
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I agree with the criticisms of TFA, and can see how someone could not like the movie because of it. I'm also not a JJ fan and think he's a hack.
That said, I cannot comprehend any possible way that TFA comes close to being as truly awful the prequels, even ROTS.
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That said, I cannot comprehend any possible way that TFA comes close to being as truly awful the prequels, even ROTS.
Agree. I think JJ makes great films. The writing isn't always the best but on a massive studio production - we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
Kasdan and Abrams may have written a great script and Kathleen Kennedy might have got an uncredited writer to make it more like ANH.
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EDIT : And Revenge Of The Sith gets singled out as the "good" prequel just by dint of it being the least awful. It's still not a "good" movie.
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And I feel like I large part of that is simply because something actually finally happens with the plot. The plots of I and II are just kind of like...."What's happening? Why? Who? What does this have to do with anything?"
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To each their own I guess. Given decades and countless millions of dollars I expected a lot better of episode VII. As I said, the prequels do have their issues, certainly, but I can enjoy them. Episode VII I wanted to enjoy, but then at every turn the terrible regurgitated story just made me shake my head and feel sad for the franchise.
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To each their own I guess. Given decades and countless millions of dollars I expected a lot better of episode VII. As I said, the prequels do have their issues, certainly, but I can enjoy them. Episode VII I wanted to enjoy, but then at every turn the terrible regurgitated story just made me shake my head and feel sad for the franchise.
It definitely had its flaws. But I can honestly say that, even acknowledging that my fandom is making me bend over backwards to give it the benefit of the doubt and overlook some of those flaws, I never felt close to what you describe.
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I think for a lot of people - Episode 7 was a relief. It was essentially a remake - but at least it felt like Star Wars again.
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That said, I cannot comprehend any possible way that TFA comes close to being as truly awful the prequels, even ROTS.
Agree. I think JJ makes great films. The writing isn't always the best but on a massive studio production - we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
Kasdan and Abrams may have written a great script and Kathleen Kennedy might have got an uncredited writer to make it more like ANH.
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EDIT : And Revenge Of The Sith gets singled out as the "good" prequel just by dint of it being the least awful. It's still not a "good" movie.
Agreed.
TFA has flaws sure, the countless similarities to ANH being the biggest negative.
But compared to the wooden acting from certain key characters, horrendous cgi, the complete logical disconnect at times and TFA looks like a masterpiece by comparison.
Despite being a huge star wars fan, i still have troubles finishing AoTC, from beginning to end. Thank god for The Clone Wars animated show, which actually manages to fix some of the problems from the prequels.
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Even if you compare like for like :
• CG - Obviously TFA looks better but was used appropriately with "more" physical sets and characters. ( yes I know the prequels had a lot of physical sets too but it also had an over-reliance on CG )
• Acting - Even great actors like Liam Neeson and Ewen McGregor sounded wooden and flat. The only one enjoying himself is Ian McDiarmid. He plays Palpatine like a Panto Villian.
• Plot - Yes TFA is recycled and even generic but at least it's easy to follow and you have clear villains VS heroes. Nothing like Padme and her myriad decoys etc... and a hugely convoluted plot
about Tax and Trade Blockades and Senates and Councils and elections and how the f--- would a 12 yr old understand all that ?
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Even if you compare like for like :
• CG - Obviously TFA looks better but was used appropriately with "more" physical sets and characters. ( yes I know the prequels had a lot of physical sets too but it also had an over-reliance on CG )
• Acting - Even great actors like Liam Neeson and Ewen McGregor sounded wooden and flat. The only one enjoying himself is Ian McDiarmid. He plays Palpatine like a Panto Villian.
• Plot - Yes TFA is recycled and even generic but at least it's easy to follow and you have clear villains VS heroes. Nothing like Padme and her myriad decoys etc... and a hugely convoluted plot
about Tax and Trade Blockades and Senates and Councils and elections and how the f--- would a 12 yr old understand all that ?
TFA has flaws sure, the countless similarities to ANH being the biggest negative.
But compared to the wooden acting from certain key characters, horrendous cgi, the complete logical disconnect at times and TFA looks like a masterpiece by comparison.
Despite being a huge star wars fan, i still have troubles finishing AoTC, from beginning to end. Thank god for The Clone Wars animated show, which actually manages to fix some of the problems from the prequels.
Agree with all of this. For me the only redeeming factor of the prequels was McGregor. And by that I mean he gave the best performance out of any of them despite the material he was given. I've re-watched the prequels TWICE in recent months with my boys...hoping to pick up on something I missed or finally 'get it'....they are just bad. The CGI is laughable...literally...my nine year old literally laughed at the CGI in AOTC. ROTS was 'alright' but by that point in the prequel trilogy you'd been waiting so long for something good to happen it was too late IMO.
I've stated it before here....Abrams was in the tough position of luring the large majority of 'old school' Star Wars fans back to the franchise and captivating 'new' audiences with TFA. The formula he used by shining up the 'story' of ANH and introducing a couple other new elements was perfect IMO and it did the trick and pulled off what he was asked to do. I highly doubt as the next two films come out that we get re-hashes of ESB and ROTJ. But TFA was absolutely written and given to us the way it should have been in order to achieve the mandate before them.
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Also The Force Awakens is a soft-reboot done right.
Jurassic World was pretty much the same idea - but the execution was nowhere near as good.
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Not calling you out specifically, Gary, but I hate seeing people refer to TFA as a "rehash." It isn't. The callbacks are intentional and, for the most part, are a plot device. Calling it a "rehash" is just lazy and is missing the point.
EDIT: And, no, it isn't a "soft-reboot" or any such nonsense either. Wish I could come up with less inflammatory terminology, but calling it that just seems like a lack of movie-viewing IQ.
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Soft reboot just means a film that is part sequel and part remake.
Which Force Awakens & Jurassic World sort of are. They're both sequels in the same universe and timeline but they're also sort-of remakes of the original movie.
Terminator Genisys also falls into that category.
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But it's in no way "part remake." It isn't remaking anything. It is a straight-up continuation of an existing story. "Remake" and "reboot" are completely inaccurate terminology.
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It's in no way a reboot, soft or otherwise, just a highly derivative sequel.
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It's not an exact remake of anything but it borrows EXTENSIVELY from A New Hope.
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:hifive:
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It's like poetry in that it rhymes with ANH. Every scene kind of rhymes with one from that movie.
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BB8 is the key to all this
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Not calling you out specifically, Gary, but I hate seeing people refer to TFA as a "rehash." It isn't. The callbacks are intentional and, for the most part, are a plot device. Calling it a "rehash" is just lazy and is missing the point.
totally agree with the bold. I couldn't think of a great term to describe it....the story structure is similar and those call backs are for the explicit purpose of enchanting a disenfranchised 'older' fan base with something comfortable and familiar that would allow those of us who had that bad taste in our mouths from the prequels to take a comforting breath and realize these next three films aren't going to be the train wreck the prequels were.
I like Rouge One...I watched it again yesterday with the kiddos. It's a cool film and a cool addition to the SW lore and universe. But if I were 'forced' to pick one, TFA or RO, I'd go with TFA for a couple reasons...of which the most glaring one is the characters. Even after watching RO twice I still don't feel any 'connection' at all to the characters. I didn't during the movie nor do I now. They were well portrayed and certainly served a purpose but I didn't find them endearing at all. The lack of discussion about any of them in this thread speaks to the lack of any connection to them. On the other hand, after TFA came out this thread burned through page after page discussing Rey, Kylo Ren...Finn...Poe and on and on.
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It's like poetry in that it rhymes with ANH. Every scene kind of rhymes with one from that movie.
Reminds me of this quote from Annie Hall.
JERRY: Acting is like an exploration of the soul.
I-it's very religious. Uh, like, uh, a
kind of liberating consciousness. It's
like a visual poem.
ALVY: (Laughing) Is he kidding with that crap?
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To me, it is more or less objectively true that The Force Awakens had a similar plot to A New Hope and made a lot of call-backs to the original trilogy.
However, that statement then takes on a zillion different subjective reactions. I've heard some people kindly describe the film as an "homage". I've heard some use the more neutral "soft-reboot". Then there are those who call it a "rip-off".
I think that what it comes down to, at the end of the day, is just how big of a deal you want to make it. A "retro movie" or whatever George Lucas called TFA isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's certainly not an unforgivable thing, at least in my opinion, unless you want to make it so.
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I think that what it comes down to, at the end of the day, is just how big of a deal you want to make it. A "retro movie" or whatever George Lucas called TFA isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's certainly not an unforgivable thing, at least in my opinion, unless you want to make it so.
well stated
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Not calling you out specifically, Gary, but I hate seeing people refer to TFA as a "rehash." It isn't. The callbacks are intentional and, for the most part, are a plot device. Calling it a "rehash" is just lazy and is missing the point.
totally agree with the bold. I couldn't think of a great term to describe it....the story structure is similar and those call backs are for the explicit purpose of enchanting a disenfranchised 'older' fan base with something comfortable and familiar that would allow those of us who had that bad taste in our mouths from the prequels to take a comforting breath and realize these next three films aren't going to be the train wreck the prequels were.
Well, yes, that's certainly true. But that isn't what I meant. The callbacks and structure are not simply to pander (in a good way) to the older fan base. They serve a purpose in the story. There is a theme of history being cyclical and repeating itself, or of "destiny" intervening and making things happen in a similar way to accomplish a bigger purpose. We're supposed to feel like we've been there before, not just because "oooo, Disney Studios made us feel all Star-Warsy again; let's like Disney Studios." Rather, we're supposed to feel that way because we are supposed to feel like, "even though Vader/Anakin was supposed to (and did) bring balance to the force, the characters did not learn from the mistakes of the past, so the same thing is happening again and the same problems are recurring. This isn't a new idea. It has been done in film many times in many contexts.
That's more what I meant. Although they certainly wanted to have a lot of those callback to sort of "repair the damage" Lucas had done with some of the fan base, and to reassure fans that this is indeed the Star Wars we all knew and loved in the '70s and '80s, the callbacks and similar structure serve a broader purpose in the story as well.
Now of course, whether or not that actually worked is a different debate altogether. For me personally, it mostly worked, although I feel it went just a bit too far a few times. But overall, yeah, I think it was effective.
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I love The Forced Awakens. Is the plot more similar to A New Hope than it needed to be? Absolutely. But the characters aren't. I can't really think of any character that is especially similar to any of the ANH people. That's what brings me back to TFA, the characters. Like I said, the plot of the movie isn't perfect, and could definetely have been better, but in the end it's no big deal for me because it's an insanely fun movie from beginning to end.
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I love The Forced Awakens. Is the plot more similar to A New Hope than it needed to be? Absolutely. But the characters aren't. I can't really think of any character that is especially similar to any of the ANH people. That's what brings me back to TFA, the characters. Like I said, the plot of the movie isn't perfect, and could definetely have been better, but in the end it's no big deal for me because it's an insanely fun movie from beginning to end.
I loved the characters, but most of them really do have original trilogy counterparts. Rey is essentially a combination of the most famous parts of Luke, Leia and Han. Poor girl living on a desert planet with hopes of becoming more? Luke. Tough sassy girl that will carry out her mission at all costs? Leia. Cocky pilot who comes in to save the day? Han. What made her character work is that Daisey was essentially a walking figure of charisma. And god damn was she charismatic.
Poe was essentially an updated Han solo.
I'll give you Finn. New character, and he really worked.
Hell, you even had an ancient tiny alien who knows the mysteries of the force to come and help at the end.
I'll also bet that Kylo is the result of JJ looking at what George was trying to do with that monster failure of Anakin and saying "....I bet I could make that work". He succeeded.
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Maz Kanata was definitely a Yoda analogue.
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I love The Forced Awakens. Is the plot more similar to A New Hope than it needed to be? Absolutely. But the characters aren't. I can't really think of any character that is especially similar to any of the ANH people. That's what brings me back to TFA, the characters. Like I said, the plot of the movie isn't perfect, and could definetely have been better, but in the end it's no big deal for me because it's an insanely fun movie from beginning to end.
Agreed. Maz is the only one that I think is overly similar. I definitely like the new characters in TFA a lot more than those in Rogue One. As for the callbacks and similarities to A New Hope, the only one that really bothers me is Starkiller Base, which I find ludicrous for multiple reasons.
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Starkiller base is just " Death Star ? pffft - this is a sequel - it has to be the size of a planet. "
That said - I was confused when they destroyed it in TFA. I assumed it would be the new threat for the new trilogy. What's the big threat going to be in Episodes 8 and 9 ?
Just Snoke ?
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That said - I was confused when they destroyed it in TFA. I assumed it would be the new threat for the new trilogy. What's the big threat going to be in Episodes 8 and 9 ?
Just Snoke ?
Maybe more personal stakes? I don't know, could work. Or maybe Force Storms as described in the expanded universe or something like that. Equally, if not more, dangerous than the death star. I don't know.
I loved the characters, but most of them really do have original trilogy counterparts. Rey is essentially a combination of the most famous parts of Luke, Leia and Han. Poor girl living on a desert planet with hopes of becoming more? Luke. Tough sassy girl that will carry out her mission at all costs? Leia. Cocky pilot who comes in to save the day? Han. What made her character work is that Daisey was essentially a walking figure of charisma. And god damn was she charismatic.
I think at that point you've got a new character. They're all going to share characteristics on some level, and personality-wise I don't think Rey resembles any of the examples you gave. I just don't think any of the original ANH crew would act as Rey did if put in her shoes. Broadly speaking maybe they'd do similar things, but the dialogue or just the way she speaks just wouldn't fit Luke or Leia or Han.
Poe was essentially an updated Han solo.
I don't think so. Poe is an optimistic, generally positive, and all around nice person, everything Han wasn't when we first met him, and still really wasn't by the end. Just because they both have a bit of sass (although the sass is a lot stronger with Han) and know how to fly a spaceship doesn't really make them counterparts. I bet there's a lot of sassy pilots in the galaxy.
Yoda and Maz have similar roles in the story (I guess?), and they're both small, but they're quite different as characters.
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We can just agree to disagree then. Luckily we both loved the characters.
As far as the threat in VIII, keep in mind that Empire, the most universally praised SW movie had no huge threat. It was all personal stories.
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I sighed a couple of times in Rogue One.
- 1 when R2 & 3PO were just there... for 2 seconds.
- Again when someone said " i've got a bad feeling about this..."
How about you make a SW that doesn't have to clobber you over the head with Nostalgia every 5 mins ?
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I was okay with both of those examples. R2 and 3PO being there makes sense, and I think that line is a fun thing. What I did roll my eyes at though was the cantina trouble maker guys appearing on Jeddha. That was just too much.
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How about you make a SW that doesn't have to clobber you over the head with Nostalgia every 5 mins ?
That's what makes the money though
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So we're just gonna get 9 films of fan pandering.
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That's what a large portion of the past two films have been so...that's a relatively safe bet. It's a safe bet for Disney too.
I just hope that the movies can also be good in their own right. I thought TFA definitely was. Rogue One feel a little short.
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I just hope that the movies can also be good in their own right. I thought TFA definitely was. Rogue One feel a little short.
Yeah they weren't huge problems for me. As long it doesn't go overboard.
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I thought with TFA it actually fit really well since the story was super simple and a rehash of ANH (sorry Bosk, just my lazy and missing the point opinion). The characters were more than strong enough to keep us interested. All in all, it was a very fun and well executed movie.
R1 on the other hand, didn't really have anything to fall back on. The story was interesting, though very confusing in the beginning. It had a bunch of characters that were pointless, and the main characters were very bland and underdeveloped. So when there were overt wink-wink-nudge-nudge moments, they felt pretty out of place with the tone of the rest of the movie.
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Yeah I didn't care that [SPOILER] everyone died [/SPOILER] ...because I didn't care about the characters.
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That was the box they were working in. I thought the story was interesting enough, but they had to get us invested in characters they we knew were all going to die by the end, and I think they only partially succeeded there.
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Especially since one of our "heroes" is shown to be a remorseless murderer right at the outset.
He doesn't really win you back after that...
Daisy Ridley and John Boyega were way more charismatic.
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Yeah, I'm sure that that was meant to give him some depth and let us know that's willing to do whatever it takes, but instead my first impression was "Wow, this guy's a real asshole!"
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Then he tries to kill Jyn's Dad because he "worked on" the Death Star against his will ? If I remember rightly. She knows he sabotaged it but he wants to kill him anyway ? ?
Then him and Jyn become BFFs just because he says " i don't have to explain myself ".
It reminds me of when HITB talked about Star Trek Into Darkness - they say that Kirk and Spock are only friends because they are in the show.
In reality - that Kirk and Spock would hate each other.
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I was okay with both of those examples. R2 and 3PO being there makes sense, and I think that line is a fun thing. What I did roll my eyes at though was the cantina trouble maker guys appearing on Jeddha. That was just too much.
Yeah, the cantina guys' appearance was a real WTF moment for me, and not in a good way. I rolled my eyes at the forced C3PO line, but I've come to expect that they're going to shove him into every movie somehow (he's one of my least favorite characters, if you couldn't tell).
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C3PO is the Jar Jar Binks of the OT.
Sorry not sorry.
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R2-D2 and C-3PO are the two characters in every Star Wars film. George started that, and it continues.
Seeing them in Rogue One makes sense, since they were there and we know that Leia is going to be shoving a disk into R2-D2 in a few minutes, but the way it was done was just kinda silly. I would've been fine just seeing them in the background or something.
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I bet Anthony Daniels loves that he was the C3PO and Kenny Baker wasn't R2.
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So if VIII starts exactly where VII left off - what does everyone think will be the first line ?
Luke : We meet at last. You have done well. My daughter ?
Rey : Here's your bloody sword.
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So if VIII starts exactly where VII left off - what does everyone think will be the first line ?
Luke: "So, the Force is Awake, huh?"
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I see your force is as big as mine.
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So the wait from Episode 7 til now is the same til Episode 8.
Then it's the Han Solo movie a year after that then Episode 9 then Boba Fett ?
Then who knows what.
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Then the Ewok Adventure reboot
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Boss Nass origin story.
Boss Nass : A Star Wars Story : There's always a Bigger Fish.
Coming 2025.
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I really hope they're scrapping the Boba Fett movie. I mean talk about a useless character. Sure, his look is unique and most of us thought he looked cool when we first saw Star Wars, but he was just as pointless in the OT as Captain Phasma was in TFA and I also feel like he's the type of character where the less we know about him, the better he is.
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I'm not at all interested in any SW movie beyond 8, 9 just to finish the story.
I won't go and see the Anthology movies at all.
Also : Rogue One : Worldwide: $615,934,691
That's pretty impressive after what seemed like a modest start ( compared to TFA ).
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And I haven't seen it yet, so add another $10.
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Count me among those who think rogue 1 is the best sw film outside the original 3.
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Then the Ewok Adventure reboot
If we don't get a Michael Bay remake of Caravan of Courage, then there is no justice in this world.
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And I haven't seen it yet, so add another $10.
No $21 IMAX? I thought you Legal Eagles had dinero! :biggrin:
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I'll also bet that Kylo is the result of JJ looking at what George was trying to do with that monster failure of Anakin and saying "....I bet I could make that work". He succeeded.
Just had to QFT. This was the first thing I thought when we got to know Kylo Ren. We can all see how a young "loose cannon" could be lured to the dark side. But Lucas just focused on the "whiny" side of young rebellion. For all the lack of emotion in the films, Anakin was so completely "emo" that you didn't even care.
Kylo OTOH was a much deeper character. His motivations (while they may still be developing...so we don't know all) are better fleshed out and understood than Anakin's were in 3 films. I'm not saying he wasn't given motive...just that his motive wasn't given any depth. The situation was shown....but not really developed. Not sure I'm explaining this right....
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Then he tries to kill Jyn's Dad because he "worked on" the Death Star against his will ? If I remember rightly. She knows he sabotaged it but he wants to kill him anyway ? ?
Then him and Jyn become BFFs just because he says " i don't have to explain myself ".
It reminds me of when HITB talked about Star Trek Into Darkness - they say that Kirk and Spock are only friends because they are in the show.
In reality - that Kirk and Spock would hate each other.
Out of all the characters I didn't really care about, Cassian was probably my favorite though. He quite clearly didn't want to kill Galen, but were following orders, and he struggled with it.
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I'll also bet that Kylo is the result of JJ looking at what George was trying to do with that monster failure of Anakin and saying "....I bet I could make that work". He succeeded.
Just had to QFT. This was the first thing I thought when we got to know Kylo Ren. We can all see how a young "loose cannon" could be lured to the dark side. But Lucas just focused on the "whiny" side of young rebellion. For all the lack of emotion in the films, Anakin was so completely "emo" that you didn't even care.
Kylo OTOH was a much deeper character. His motivations (while they may still be developing...so we don't know all) are better fleshed out and understood than Anakin's were in 3 films. I'm not saying he wasn't given motive...just that his motive wasn't given any depth. The situation was shown....but not really developed. Not sure I'm explaining this right....
Yeah, I think you are spot on, actually. Where I initially thought you were going was that Anakin was too emotional, and I would disagree with that. But as I think you then went on to explain, it isn't really a quantity issue. It's more that his emotion wasn't given any real foundation that sold it and made it feel believable or legitimate. And Lucas made so many missteps on the road to Anakin's turning that, by the time we got there, I not only didn't believe it, I didn't care.
That, to me, is the biggest crime of the prequels. People can complain all they want about Jar Jar, or trade federations, or Grievous, or too much CGI, or whatever. And that's fine. Those criticisms are mostly legit. But I think most of us could overlook and forgive all of that stuff (even Jar Jar!) more easily if Anakin's arc actually made sense and made us actually feel something.
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Wasn't Episode I written only a few weeks before shooting began ?
...I know a lot of films have started shooting without a finished script and have been fine...Like JAWS for instance... But it won't work every time.
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I think another reason why Anakin's arc in the prequels wasn't relate-able was due to the shitty ass dialogue, I mean it's a joke now but on listening to it the first time I cringed so hard when Anakin and Padme conversed about sand being coarse, blah blah blah. I also feel the two actors had zero chemistry on screen together.
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Well, yeah, exactly. It was poorly written as a whole, including the dialog. And it's a shame because the bones of a really good story were there. Some VERY minor tweaking in the plot and some fixing of the dialog and directing could have taken those three movies to a completely different level.
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I disagree that Kylo Ren's motives are better than Anakin's, but the actor is certainly doing a better job. What are Kylo's motivations, exactly?
As for the prequels, it seems Lucas spent them dancing around the real issues of the galaxy, and so the explanations we got were pretty lame. Who are the Trade Federation? What do they want? What is the state of the Old Republic? Is it salvageable? Or do the separatists - unbeknownst to them, manipulated by Sidius - have some legitimate basis for their war against the Republic? Where do the Jedi Order fit in? Do they try and influence the Republic, or do they just do its bidding? Who is Dooku, and what turned him to the Dark Side? How does Anakin, the main character, feel about all this?
The prequel movies were 3 hours a pop, but Lucas never intended to go into any of the above, so while the arc of the story is pretty interesting in the big picture view, the explanations we get are lame. The Trade Federation are "bad". The Old Republic is good. The Seperatists are evil. Dooku is an evil guy with no motive. The Jedi are 100% complicit in the Republic's war machine and the leaders of the clone army. Anakin is completely apathetic to all of this - just a talented force user who turns to the dark side when his personal live bottoms out.
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Yeah, but none of that is really important. If you want to know what actually matters, see my post. :lol
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My opinion on the prequels is: I don't dislike them. Every time I've watched them, I've enjoyed them. However, the reason I don't own them or watch them anymore is that, as Bosk mentioned, Anakin's arc doesn't make sense. I would even go a step further and say that it actually takes away from the original trilogy by hurting Darth Vader's character.
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Yeah, but none of that is really important. If you want to know what actually matters, see my post. :lol
I agree with what you said, but I think answering some of the questions I mentioned would help given Anakin's emotion more foundation.
This would be my revised narrative for the prequels:
- Obi-Wan discovers Anakin and Tatooine, and immediately begins to train him in the ways of the Jedi.
- Anakin is too old for this training, and has a violent disposition, but OBK trains him anyway because philosophically apathetic people with high force potential are actually the perfect candidates to lead a Jedi Order that exists primarily to help the Republic with its wars.
- The wiser people on the Jedi Council (Yoda) resist Anakin at first, but can't deny Anakin's place on the council once they see his military prowess in action
- Meanwhile, as the war wages on via Palpatine's puppet game, otherwise loyal Jedi begin to question the validity of the Republic and the Jedi Council's role in the conflict
- Dooku, a hardliner who wants to expose corruption in the Republic, is one of the first Jedi to fall and join the seperatists
- Palpatine gets his emergency powers - Yoda begins to see him as a suspect
- Dooku's departure and the emergence of a new Sith Lord paralyses Obi-wan, Yoda, and other wise and generally optimistic Jedi. A conscious decision is made by the Jedi Council to stop supporting the Republic.
- Palpatine turns to the one hot-headed, philosophically apathetic Jedi still in his ranks - Anakin Skylwaker. Anakin leads an army of clones to ravage Dooku's army and executes him on the spot.
- See how Palpatine has undermined the wishes of the Jedi Coucil, Yoda makes a tough decision and sends Mace to assassinate Palpatine on the spot. Obi-wan is sent to deal with Anakin.
- Mace fails, but Palpatine is badly hurt.
- Obi-Wan succeeds, but not diplomatically. Anakin lashes out at Obi-Wan violently and a duel ensues, one which ends as it does in RotS.
- By this time, Yoda has failed to deal with wounded Palpatine himself, and the remaining Jedi are public enemy no. 1
- Obi-Wan, believing Anakin to be dead, takes his children and flees.
- Sidius rescues the fallen Anakin, and easily persuades him to become a Sith and help smoke out the rest of the Jedi.
The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.
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Yeah, I agree with bosk too. There's a good story somewhere in there, but somehow George found a way to make it baffling and boring.
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Yeah, but none of that is really important. If you want to know what actually matters, see my post. :lol
I agree with what you said, but I think answering some of the questions I mentioned would help given Anakin's emotion more foundation.
This would be my revised narrative for the prequels:
- Obi-Wan discovers Anakin and Tatooine, and immediately begins to train him in the ways of the Jedi.
- Anakin is too old for this training, and has a violent disposition, but OBK trains him anyway because philosophically apathetic people with high force potential are actually the perfect candidates to lead a Jedi Order that exists primarily to help the Republic with its wars.
- The wiser people on the Jedi Council (Yoda) resist Anakin at first, but can't deny Anakin's place on the council once they see his military prowess in action
- Meanwhile, as the war wages on via Palpatine's puppet game, otherwise loyal Jedi begin to question the validity of the Republic and the Jedi Council's role in the conflict
- Dooku, a hardliner who wants to expose corruption in the Republic, is one of the first Jedi to fall and join the seperatists
- Palpatine gets his emergency powers - Yoda begins to see him as a suspect
- Dooku's departure and the emergence of a new Sith Lord paralyses Obi-wan, Yoda, and other wise and generally optimistic Jedi. A conscious decision is made by the Jedi Council to stop supporting the Republic.
- Palpatine turns to the one hot-headed, philosophically apathetic Jedi still in his ranks - Anakin Skylwaker. Anakin leads an army of clones to ravage Dooku's army and executes him on the spot.
- See how Palpatine has undermined the wishes of the Jedi Coucil, Yoda makes a tough decision and sends Mace to assassinate Palpatine on the spot. Obi-wan is sent to deal with Anakin.
- Mace fails, but Palpatine is badly hurt.
- Obi-Wan succeeds, but not diplomatically. Anakin lashes out at Obi-Wan violently and a duel ensues, one which ends as it does in RotS.
- By this time, Yoda has failed to deal with wounded Palpatine himself, and the remaining Jedi are public enemy no. 1
- Obi-Wan, believing Anakin to be dead, takes his children and flees.
- Sidius rescues the fallen Anakin, and easily persuades him to become a Sith and help smoke out the rest of the Jedi.
The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.
This would be a vast improvement.
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Yeah, but none of that is really important. If you want to know what actually matters, see my post. :lol
I agree with what you said, but I think answering some of the questions I mentioned would help given Anakin's emotion more foundation.
This would be my revised narrative for the prequels:
- Obi-Wan discovers Anakin and Tatooine, and immediately begins to train him in the ways of the Jedi.
- Anakin is too old for this training, and has a violent disposition, but OBK trains him anyway because philosophically apathetic people with high force potential are actually the perfect candidates to lead a Jedi Order that exists primarily to help the Republic with its wars.
- The wiser people on the Jedi Council (Yoda) resist Anakin at first, but can't deny Anakin's place on the council once they see his military prowess in action
- Meanwhile, as the war wages on via Palpatine's puppet game, otherwise loyal Jedi begin to question the validity of the Republic and the Jedi Council's role in the conflict
- Dooku, a hardliner who wants to expose corruption in the Republic, is one of the first Jedi to fall and join the seperatists
- Palpatine gets his emergency powers - Yoda begins to see him as a suspect
- Dooku's departure and the emergence of a new Sith Lord paralyses Obi-wan, Yoda, and other wise and generally optimistic Jedi. A conscious decision is made by the Jedi Council to stop supporting the Republic.
- Palpatine turns to the one hot-headed, philosophically apathetic Jedi still in his ranks - Anakin Skylwaker. Anakin leads an army of clones to ravage Dooku's army and executes him on the spot.
- See how Palpatine has undermined the wishes of the Jedi Coucil, Yoda makes a tough decision and sends Mace to assassinate Palpatine on the spot. Obi-wan is sent to deal with Anakin.
- Mace fails, but Palpatine is badly hurt.
- Obi-Wan succeeds, but not diplomatically. Anakin lashes out at Obi-Wan violently and a duel ensues, one which ends as it does in RotS.
- By this time, Yoda has failed to deal with wounded Palpatine himself, and the remaining Jedi are public enemy no. 1
- Obi-Wan, believing Anakin to be dead, takes his children and flees.
- Sidius rescues the fallen Anakin, and easily persuades him to become a Sith and help smoke out the rest of the Jedi.
The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.
This would be a vast improvement.
yep.
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The Star Wars Prequels ?
Oh you mean Rogue One.
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The Star Wars Prequels ?
Oh you mean Rogue One.
Hahahaha. :tup
But I sorta like the last list of improvements listed here. That would indeed make much more sense.
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The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.
I'm not sure I understand this logic. Isn't that the whole thing about the dark side - that it gets you with temptation, and once it has you fully, it gives you a lust for power and control. Your suggested narrative is all about politics and logic, and would imply that Anakin/Vader would choose to become a heartless warlord for decades because he thought it was right. Which would be fine, but that was never the Star Wars story. In the OT we see both Vader and Palpatine tempting Luke to lash out in anger so that the dark side can claim him too.
So for all the faults with the PT, I honestly don't have the slightest problem with Anakin's motivations being personal in nature. In fact, I think the story makes more sense that way. The delivery of that story isn't very good (bar some occasional excellent moments) but that's another matter.
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What do you think the PT does really well ?
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What do you think the PT does really well ?
Gave us a really cool new Obi-Wan.
It also gave us something to hate, as a society, for decades to come.
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There's one thing the prequels succeed at that no other movie in history has been able to do, and that is to make Samuel Jackson boring.
It takes true talent on George's part to accomplish that.
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(https://imgur.com/XHHP1Kt.jpg)
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Gotta make yourself at home sometimes, especially at work.
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This is a behind the scenes picture of Cushing with comfy shoes on.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GxtiEhZYsGk/T4OR71egMzI/AAAAAAAAFJ8/QLFCspgQqoQ/s1600/peter+cushing+star+wars+slippers+34.jpg)
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Awesome! I didn't know if it was true or not, but it was funny anyway so I posted it. I'm glad it's actually true.
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I think there's footage of it as well and went looking for it but found this gem of a blooper instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9E90nVDYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9E90nVDYs)
Also here's Cushing talking about the boots in an amusing interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXLDvx_tHQ
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I was just watching an English quiz show (QI) and someone on the panel just happened to mention something Star Wars related and the crowd CHEERED AND APPLAUDED.
It wasn't even the correct answer to a question - they just mentioned it out of the blue.
Gods sake. They're just films. Get a grip.
I maintain that SW fans are far far more nerdy than Star Trek fans. I don't think anyone camped outside a cinema for a week to see the latest Star Trek movie.
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Yeah but I've been to Star Trek conventions and I think you're wrong. :lol. But to make you giggle Kotowboy, I give you this.
https://youtu.be/1RGohIKxc9M
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Classic video. :lol
Why come into a Star Wars thread to complain about Star Wars? And why bring up Star Trek? Chill, Kotow.
There are more important things to complain about, like the prequels, and the global warming issue on Alderaan.
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I can watch that video a million times and never get sick of it! :lol
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Back before I had internet, I had that video saved to my computer, so I watched it many times.
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I loved every bit with Comic The Insult Dog on Conan. You ever see when they went to the Westminster Dog Show? Priceless.
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No, I've maybe seen one other video of him once, but I can't recall.
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YouTube it. It will not disapoint.
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Yeah but I've been to Star Trek conventions and I think you're wrong. :lol. But to make you giggle Kotowboy, I give you this.
https://youtu.be/1RGohIKxc9M
key word is conventions. There are gigantic nerds at a convention for ANYTHING. There are so many Comic Cons every year. I know because Adam Savage goes to every single one of them.
They're not just Trekkies.
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Did you watch the video?
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Someone did a voice dub of the english subtitles of a pirated chinese copy of Revenge Of The Sith, here's the result:
https://youtu.be/H9VVkwRb_7M
:lol
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does anyone know how box office mojo gets their data? cause the numbers for Rogue One aren't making much sense to me...
as of today the domestic total is 439 million, but the worldwide total is listed as 440 million, with the foreign total only being 350,000 (not possible). Yet when you click on the foreign tab you can see all the individual countries and their totals, with the UK being the highest at 44 million since opening. so what is the foreign total supposed to represent? and is there actually a number showing the accurate worldwide total?
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I checked it only a few hours ago, and I'm pretty sure it was 350m for foreign, with a total close to 800m. Definitely a mistake. I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough.
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must be. i know it isn't released in China yet so that will obviously make a huge difference to the foreign numbers, but even if the surprisingly low numbers are accurate that wouldn't lead to that low of a total, so someone must have goofed i guess
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I checked it only a few hours ago, and I'm pretty sure it was 350m for foreign, with a total close to 800m. Definitely a mistake. I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough.
Yeah this. It was on $706m yesterday.
The site is also listed as : Last Updated 1/1/1970 so I assume there are bugs.
EDIT :
Domestic: $439,714,705 55.7%
+ Foreign: $350,000,000 44.3%
= Worldwide: $789,714,705
Just updated. Also it's been out 3 weeks now. Do you think it will make $200m in the next few weeks ?
China + Japan for The Force Awakens = $225m and there are eastern actors in Rogue One. So y'know..... probably.
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Possible spoiler if its true
I was reading theories that Snoke is, surprise surprise, all tiny like Yoda, so like you see him all HUGE in TFA, but its really just him doing some wizard of OZ, man behind the curtain stuff. I personally would like to see VIII veer off as much as possible from previous story beats
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Possible spoiler if its true
I was reading theories that Snoke is, surprise surprise, all tiny like Yoda, so like you see him all HUGE in TFA, but its really just him doing some wizard of OZ, man behind the curtain stuff. I personally would like to see VIII veer off as much as possible from previous story beats
They released info that Snoke is about 7 feet tall. Give or take.
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Oh
Nevermind then
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What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.
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What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.
That was a huge problem with Rogue One. Apparently a good hit in the head or chest with a stick is enough to take you out.
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What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.
To protect stormtroopers from stuff like loose pebbles, paintball shots, butter knife attacks, stray liquids, light punching, you know, that sort of thing.
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So, I was supposed to go see Rogue One with a lady friend's kid today and we weren't able to go so he was pretty upset. (He's five, he started screaming and fake hyperventilating and saying that he was dying and that we broke his heart and that he hated everything and that he was going to run away forever)
After about five minutes of that, I hooked my PC up to the TV, turned the speakers up and put on (even though I actually don't like the game much, it's definitely a spectacle) The Force Unleashed.
Kid shut the fuck up REAL QUICK.
Thanks, mediocre Star Wars game.
Then I took it too far and put on KOTOR and he fell asleep while I was like "GOD I LOVE THIS SHIT. EVERY TIME."
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So, I was supposed to go see Rogue One with a lady friend's kid today and we weren't able to go so he was pretty upset. (He's five, he started screaming and fake hyperventilating and saying that he was dying and that we broke his heart and that he hated everything and that he was going to run away forever)
After about five minutes of that, I hooked my PC up to the TV, turned the speakers up and put on (even though I actually don't like the game much, it's definitely a spectacle) The Force Unleashed.
Kid shut the fuck up REAL QUICK.
Thanks, mediocre Star Wars game.
Then I took it too far and put on KOTOR and he fell asleep while I was like "GOD I LOVE THIS SHIT. EVERY TIME."
Brilliant :lol
I love KOTOR so much. It's been years since I played it though, need to sort that out.
Just been catching up with this thread. My opinion on RO vs. TFA is that RO is the better film but TFA had better characters. I understand that RO kinda lacked in the character development area but it made up for it in so many ways. I think they nailed the epic space battle for the first time since ROTJ, for me at least. I liked that it was dark, I liked the Easter eggs and didn't feel they were too in your face. Vader did feel a little of but as a whole I preferred the story and it felt more like a Star Wars film than TFA.
Don't get me wrong, I liked TFA but some of it felt so forced and just ruined it for me. I was hyped to see my favourite characters from the OT finally back in a Star Wars film, but they all kinda sucked IMO. Han Solo was the worst!! He was like a parody of himself and when he picks up Chewie's Bowcaster and is all like "This is pretty good" I wanted to scream. It's ridiculous, like they've been fighting side by side for over 30 years by this point and we're supposed to believe Han has never once used Chewie's Bowcaster??? I know it's a minor thing but it enraged me. It was just forcing supposed humour into a scene. Also lines like "Do they have a trash compactor?", it was all the worst kind of fan service IMO. It surprised me that my favourite characters were Rey and Finn, they were done well, even though Finn's humorous moments were also a bit annoying at times. The final scene with Luke was easily the most powerful and I think it worked because Luke DIDN'T speak. I'm really worried they are going to fuck up Luke's character in VII.
I think ultimately I liked RO more because the humour didn't feel so forced and it was really cool how it leads right into ANH. I can't wait to watch those films back to back.
TFA did get some things right and did restore some hope for me but it also got plenty wrong. I just hope they don't fuck Luke up. Also, in regards to Luke and episode VII, does anyone else feel like the only way they could introduce a significant threat in the next film would be fir Luke to have turned to the Dark side?? Let's be honest, Kylo Ren is not really a threat at all now, he got his ass handed to him by an untrained force user. What can he possibly do now? It's a shame really. Anyway, I digress.
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TFA did get some things right and did restore some hope for me but it also got plenty wrong. I just hope they don't fuck Luke up. Also, in regards to Luke and episode VII, does anyone else feel like the only way they could introduce a significant threat in the next film would be fir Luke to have turned to the Dark side?? Let's be honest, Kylo Ren is not really a threat at all now, he got his ass handed to him by an untrained force user. What can he possibly do now? It's a shame really. Anyway, I digress.
Yeah Kylo isn't the most powerful, but it ends with Snoke stating that it's time to "finish his training", so he'll likely be more powerful next movie. It also helped Rey that Kylo was badly hurt, drained of his dark side powers through the act of killing his father, and fighting an opponant he wasn't actually trying to kill. Whereas Rey was unhurt, was giving it her all, has had training with melee weapons, and is obviously very strong with the force.
And, Snoke is obviously the bigger bad here. Kylo isn't the main threat.
A good way to "fuck Luke up" is to have him turn to the dark side.
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I'd say the humour feels far more forced in RO. Basically even thing that robot says feels like something tacked on afterwards, whereas the humour in TFA feels more natural in the flow of the conversations and in tone with the film in general.
The first half of RO is a real chore. The characters are so empty, the girl is like a little lost lamb and the only thing I remember about the main bloke is he has a crooked nose. When there is no action in this film there is nothing entertaining going on at all, luckily when the action arrives it's done really well, but it's a real chore to get to the second half.
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The first half of RO is a real chore. The characters are so empty, the girl is like a little lost lamb and the only thing I remember about the main bloke is he has a crooked nose. When there is no action in this film there is nothing entertaining going on at all, luckily when the action arrives it's done really well, but it's a real chore to get to the second half.
Wow, really?? I loved the first half. I felt that it set up the second half so beautifully and really added a lot of dimension to the Star Wars universe as a whole.
Anyway, having finally seen it for myself, I liked it a lot. I liked the overall dark tone. It was different, and it was very appropriate for the film. It also managed to do one very important thing better than any prior film in the franchise, IMO. To me, this film made the empire feel far more menacing and oppressive than it had in any of the prior films. And, perhaps not coincidentally, I think it made Vader feel more menacing than in prior films (although, granted that Vader did feel pretty menacing in IV and V; it's just that after seeing him redeemed in VI and then ruined and reduced to a whiny, petulant, immature brat in the prequels, it's harder to remember the emotional response that character originally evoked in IV and V).
Again, I liked it. A few minor things bothered me. Perhaps they will not after seeing it again, but here are just some random thoughts:
-CGI Tarkin and Leia: The CGI took me out of the moment more than once. Perhaps I over-scrutinized because I knew it was coming. But it just took me out of the moment of the film. I am kind of surprised because CGI doesn't usually bother me, and I think we've come farther in both the technology and in film techniques such that it should be easier to hide that it is CGI. I mean, for Tarkin, for example, couldn't they have used a body double with makeup and prosthetics, and used CGI on the face simply to enhance? And then simply avoid closeups so as not to call attention to anything that still may not look 100% convincing? I know that's tough because he was a very important character in this movie (and I really like what they did with him). I dunno. I just feel it could have been done better. I am not usually one to complain, but, again, I felt that it took me out of the moment, which didn't happen with anything else other than the CGI.
Opening: I liked the opening scene...except for the fact that Jyn managed to remain hidden from the Imperials. They were bent on finding here. They knew she was there (the shuttle flew right past her in the opening sequence!). And they still didn't manage to find her? I just don't find that believable. That should have been handled differently.
R2/C3PO: The cameo was silly. But it was fine. And it was expected. The only thing that bugged me a little bit was that I don't think they should have shown up on Yavin 4. They could have just as easily and more effectively been shown for a brief cameo aboard Leia's ship. Maybe they felt that the callback with Leia at the end would have been diminished by having the droids appear too close to that scene? I guess I could buy that.
Vader's castle: That scene was cool on so many levels. But it seemed very rushed, almost to the point of being a throwaway. I mean, maybe that is intentional. Having just a glimpse had a huge impact, and maybe showing too much would have been unnecessary and taken away. But showing so little and having no explanation whatsoever of what Vader was doing there or why almost made it feel like the whole thing was gratuitous to the point of being pointless.
Leia's ship: This is a tough one. The ending sequence with Vader going nuts and killing everyone, and literally having the data tapes be just inches away and almost in his hands was perhaps THE best scene in the entire Star Wars franchise. So just having that scene pretty much makes everything else forgivable. And in a way, they were sort of boxed in with what they could do with Leia's ship because of Ep. IV and a lot of the dramatic setup of the battle of Scarif. Ep. IV established that Vader knew the plans had been beamed to the rebels and traced to her ship. The way the battle unfolded, they had to beam it to a ship close to the planet's surface, and not somewhere halfway across the galaxy. And if it was beamed to a ship close by, and then a copy beamed away, that would have been lame. So they had to have the ship there. But having Leia there was lame and didn't work, for at least a couple of reasons: (1) There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that you would put a diplomat and noncombat royal official in the middle of an intense combat mission. None. It doesn't make any sense at all to have her there. (2) Having her there and having Vader know she was there makes her argument to him at the beginning of Ep. IV that they were on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and that she had no idea what he was talking about, just ring completely hollow and stupid. I mean, of course she was not being truthful with Vader. But at least in Ep. IV, it came across as, "Yeah, we may both know the truth, but you have absolutely no hard evidence that I am a rebel and that the plans were here, so I'm going to deny it." Now, that goes away, and her argument just looks stupid. And since Leia is decidedly NOT stupid, this just feels like a continuity error that they created by not figuring out a better way to handle getting the plans to her ship. I dunno. Maybe this will work itself out and not bother me as much later after seeing it again. But as of now, that is THE biggest gripe I have that bothers me about the film.
Otherwise, I thought it was great. I had such low expectations leading up to this film. I wasn't really interested in seeing HOW the plans got stolen. Part of that was because, as we learned with the prequels, revealing and explaining too much of what "happened" in the past can sometimes actually do damage to the story instead of just leaving it to our imaginations. And part of it is that it was going to undo a perfectly good story of Kyle Katarn stealing them, which I didn't really want to see undone. But that all changed once I saw the first trailer, and I got genuinely excited about seeing this film. It didn't let me down.
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I mentioned elsewhere that C3PO and R2D2 showing up for 2 seconds was stupid and someone replied
" :angry: Um NO...They're in Episode 4 so OF COURSE they're going to be in it...."
Ok So why no Han Solo or Chewie ? They're also in Episode 4 ? Why don't we see what they're up to ?
Or Ben Kenobi ?
Rich Evans is right. Star Wars is very small and very limited. People just want the same thing every time.
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I mentioned elsewhere that C3PO and R2D2 showing up for 2 seconds was stupid and someone replied
" :angry: Um NO...They're in Episode 4 so OF COURSE they're going to be in it...."
Ok So why no Han Solo or Chewie ? They're also in Episode 4 ? Why don't we see what they're up to ?
Or Ben Kenobi ?
Because the droids would necessarily have been present for some of the events that took place in this movie. They were on that ship at the beginning of Ep. IV that was the landing place for the plans that were the object of Rogue One, so it makes sense to have them show up in this film. There is no valid reason any of the other characters you mean had to be in it.
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I mean, for Tarkin, for example, couldn't they have used a body double with makeup and prosthetics, and used CGI on the face simply to enhance?
I was of the understanding that this is exactly what they did (well, body double, with just CGI of the face). I'm surprised some people aren't keen on it - while not perfect, Tarkin was the best CGI of a human I have ever seen. Leia less so, but hers was only a brief cameo to set up Episode IV, so that doesn't bother me. But I honestly loved what they did with Tarkin.
EDIT: If anyone knows of better human CGI they could link to, I would be quite happy to have my mind blown.
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I mean, for Tarkin, for example, couldn't they have used a body double with makeup and prosthetics, and used CGI on the face simply to enhance?
I was of the understanding that this is exactly what they did (well, body double, with just CGI of the face). I'm surprised some people aren't keen on it - while not perfect, Tarkin was the best CGI of a human I have ever seen. Leia less so, but hers was only a brief cameo to set up Episode IV, so that doesn't bother me. But I honestly loved what they did with Tarkin.
Really? Because in some of the earlier scenes with him, his movements when he walked seemed clunky and reminded me of the T1000. Again, maybe I just overreacted to it, but it just seemed off to me, to the point where I just assumed they fully animated the entire character and plopped him into the film.
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I mean, for Tarkin, for example, couldn't they have used a body double with makeup and prosthetics, and used CGI on the face simply to enhance?
I was of the understanding that this is exactly what they did (well, body double, with just CGI of the face). I'm surprised some people aren't keen on it - while not perfect, Tarkin was the best CGI of a human I have ever seen. Leia less so, but hers was only a brief cameo to set up Episode IV, so that doesn't bother me. But I honestly loved what they did with Tarkin.
Really? Because in some of the earlier scenes with him, his movements when he walked seemed clunky and reminded me of the T1000. Again, maybe I just overreacted to it, but it just seemed off to me, to the point where I just assumed they fully animated the entire character and plopped him into the film.
Yeah a British actor called Guy Henry. I think it was all motion-capture.
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Wow, really?? I loved the first half. I felt that it set up the second half so beautifully and really added a lot of dimension to the Star Wars universe as a whole.
The first half was definitely the weak point for me. There were just so many hard jumps from location to location to location that it came across as very tedious to me. There was no flow.
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I mean, for Tarkin, for example, couldn't they have used a body double with makeup and prosthetics, and used CGI on the face simply to enhance?
I was of the understanding that this is exactly what they did (well, body double, with just CGI of the face). I'm surprised some people aren't keen on it - while not perfect, Tarkin was the best CGI of a human I have ever seen. Leia less so, but hers was only a brief cameo to set up Episode IV, so that doesn't bother me. But I honestly loved what they did with Tarkin.
Really? Because in some of the earlier scenes with him, his movements when he walked seemed clunky and reminded me of the T1000. Again, maybe I just overreacted to it, but it just seemed off to me, to the point where I just assumed they fully animated the entire character and plopped him into the film.
Yeah a British actor called Guy Henry. I think it was all motion-capture.
It was motion-capture. They Gollum'd him, and Leia too. There was a stand-in actress of Leia with motion-capture dots on her face, etc.
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Oh, didn't realize that. Well, again, I'm not going to metaphorically pound the table and insist that my perception is objectively correct. I know how subjective that can all be. It just didn't look right to me, that's all.
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Oh, didn't realize that. Well, again, I'm not going to metaphorically pound the table and insist that my perception is objectively correct. I know how subjective that can all be. It just didn't look right to me, that's all.
With the facial animations, me too a little (nothing about his body movements stood out to me - Cushing himself cast a fairly stiff gait in the role after all) but it was still hugely impressive. Knowing that it was CGI, it still wasn't quite there, but ultimately it's so good that a lot of people (my brother included, who I saw the film) didn't realise until I pointed it out.
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I was just watching an English quiz show (QI) and someone on the panel just happened to mention something Star Wars related and the crowd CHEERED AND APPLAUDED.
It wasn't even the correct answer to a question - they just mentioned it out of the blue.
Gods sake. They're just films. Get a grip.
I maintain that SW fans are far far more nerdy than Star Trek fans. I don't think anyone camped outside a cinema for a week to see the latest Star Trek movie.
Just caught up on this QI episode, and it wasn't "out of the blue" at all. Literally half a minute earlier Cariad Lloyd had meant to say dromedary (a type of camel) and said Dromedon, which David Baddiel said was from Star Wars (a quick google tells me it's actually from Transformers, so shame on Baddiel for mixing up his geek trivia :lol ). So her Tattooine comment (and other related jokes after that) was in reference to that. Which you'd know if you'd been paying attention. :P
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The audience CHEERED and APPLAUDED at a slight Star Wars reference.
How fucking sad can you get?
Some people actually can't believe it when you tell them you're not into Star Wars....
I watch them as sci-fi/fantasy films. nothing more. It's a religion to some people.
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Kotowboy, one of these days, you might actually understand that some people like things. I know you hate everything, but some people like things, and they like hearing about them, and they are pleased when there's a reference to something they like. They reacted accordingly. You might find it sad, but it's actually pretty normal. Hating everything and trying to tear everything down is what most people would consider sad.
Oh, didn't realize that. Well, again, I'm not going to metaphorically pound the table and insist that my perception is objectively correct. I know how subjective that can all be. It just didn't look right to me, that's all.
With the facial animations, me too a little (nothing about his body movements stood out to me - Cushing himself cast a fairly stiff gait in the role after all) but it was still hugely impressive. Knowing that it was CGI, it still wasn't quite there, but ultimately it's so good that a lot of people (my brother included, who I saw the film) didn't realise until I pointed it out.
My wife said after that the guy they'd gotten to do Tarkin was great. Looked just like Peter Cushing. But the Leia person wasn't as good. She didn't realize that it was CGI at all.
I knew that they'd Gollum'd him and I was still impressed. Didn't take me out of the story at all. I was pretty impressed with the whole backstory between how Krennic had actually gotten the Death Star made, and Governor Tarkin basically usurped him, killed him, and took the credit. Nicely done.
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Kotowboy, one of these days, you might actually understand that some people like things. I know you hate everything, but some people like things, and they like hearing about them, and they are pleased when there's a reference to something they like. They reacted accordingly. You might find it sad, but it's actually pretty normal. Hating everything and trying to tear everything down is what most people would consider sad.
Sleeping outside a cinema for a week then worshipping the ground when you get in is beyond " liking something ".
Also - as they say on HITB - a reference is not a joke. It's just a reference. Maybe if she'd said something clever or funny... But she literally just said " tattooine " and everyone applauded and cheered.
I also don't hate Star Wars. i think the first three and the most recent two are fine films. I just don't understand the global obsession with it.
[ see also - football ].
English actor Guy Henry was Tarkin. I thought he looked better than Leia - who looked no better than a cartoon. IMO she should have stayed with her back to the camera.
Seeing her plastic digital face added nothing to the film. You know who it was supposed to be from the back.
We've still got a long way to go before we have 100% believable Digital Actors. BUT - it's a huge step up from CG Jeff Bridges on Tron Legacy ( a fine film ).
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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with liking things that much. If you want to clap because you saw something in the movie that brought back great memories, that's great! (Though I will admit that I think the porno theater analogy Stoklasa brought up is incredibly apt.)
I just don't think that you can mask over the problems and lack of substance in R1 with all the fan service moments. When there's little else to fall back on to get an emotional reaction, the bits of fan service that'd otherwise be fine in another movie (like TFA), in R1 they come across as desperate even if they weren't intended to be that way.
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The audience CHEERED and APPLAUDED at a slight Star Wars reference.
How fucking sad can you get?
Some people actually can't believe it when you tell them you're not into Star Wars....
I watch them as sci-fi/fantasy films. nothing more. It's a religion to some people.
1. Good for you.
2. As I literally just explained, they weren't applauding the fact that it was a Star Wars reference (otherwise they would have done that for Baddiel who first mentioned Star Wars) - they were cheering call backs to a previous joke, which happens all the time on QI.
Sometimes I think you're just looking for things to be annoyed about.
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Though I will admit that I think the porno theater analogy Stoklasa brought up is incredibly apt.)
Yeah that was funny. :lol
I live in a small town with a small cinema so it was just local people and not a cinema full of bearded SW nerds in SW regalia :biggrin:
HAHA that actually reminds me. I went to the same cinema to see Force Awakens on opening night and when Rey says
" The Millennium Falcon made the kessel run in 10 parsecs! " - someone in the crowd in my cinema shouted TWELVE!
:rollin I snickered
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Sometimes I think you're just looking for things to be annoyed about.
ABOUT WHICH TO BE ANNOYED*
UGH!!!
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Sometimes I think you're just looking for things to be annoyed about.
Let's not bicker and argue about whoooose killed whooo ! This is supposed to be a HAPPY occasion !
Can't we all just agree that the prequels are bantha doo doo ?
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Sometimes I think you're just looking for things to be annoyed about.
ABOUT WHICH TO BE ANNOYED*
UGH!!!
:angry: FFS RICH WHO TAUGHT YOU TO ENGLISH ?
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Oh, didn't realize that. Well, again, I'm not going to metaphorically pound the table and insist that my perception is objectively correct. I know how subjective that can all be. It just didn't look right to me, that's all.
With the facial animations, me too a little (nothing about his body movements stood out to me - Cushing himself cast a fairly stiff gait in the role after all) but it was still hugely impressive. Knowing that it was CGI, it still wasn't quite there, but ultimately it's so good that a lot of people (my brother included, who I saw the film) didn't realise until I pointed it out.
My wife said after that the guy they'd gotten to do Tarkin was great. Looked just like Peter Cushing. But the Leia person wasn't as good. She didn't realize that it was CGI at all.
I knew that they'd Gollum'd him and I was still impressed. Didn't take me out of the story at all. I was pretty impressed with the whole backstory between how Krennic had actually gotten the Death Star made, and Governor Tarkin basically usurped him, killed him, and took the credit. Nicely done.
Good to hear. And I actually find it pretty valuable to hear others' perspective on stuff like that. It's interesting to me how differently those effects can register on different people. We had a OT marathon on New Years Eve with some friends who hadn't seen them in a long time, and had some interesting discussions about some of the different visual technology. Part of that revolved around how they couldn't believe how crisp and immersive the films looked on our TV. We were watching the DVD editions on a Blu Ray player and 4-5 year old HD tv. Pretty good technology, but not the best out there. And, yeah, it did look pretty amazing, especially when you consider how long ago those films were shot. But we also got talking about how differently the eye perceives things. They have an old projection tv, so they aren't used to watching things in HD, and were commenting on how different it looks. I remember thinking the same thing back when we first got our HD tv. It isn't just the crispness of the picture. It is the depth. It is the movement. EVERYTHING looks different, and it can mess with your mind and make it all look artificial. But then, I noticed that not long after we got it and had watched a few things, my eyes/mind had adapted, and it all looked perfectly normal to me. Even when going back and forth between low-def TV's and our HD tv, it no longer looked strange and my mind had learned to compensate for whatever looked off. We were then talking with them and another group of friends on Sunday about how the newer 4k TV's look so different, and our other friends mentioned how it takes them out of the experience.
Anyhow, my point in all of that is simply that I think some of it may just have to do with how trained one's mind/eye is. We probably perceive the CGI stuff differently based on how exposed we are to it similar to what I mentioned with various stages of HD effects. I think it is also kind of similar to how the first Hobbit film experimented with shooting at that higher frame rate a few years back, and some reacted very adversely to that at first as well. It's interesting to me how that all works.
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I actually thought Tarkin looked pretty decent. Still CG but pretty darn good.
My 13 yr old brother who i took to see it with me went " he's animated " :lol
I guess he watches a lot more cartoons than I do :lol
But Young Leia looked terrible.
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Also - if Disney® ever release the OT cleaned up Theatrical Blu Rays - i'll probably get them. I don't own a single Star Wars movie but I may get TFA on BR for the extra features.
I love extensive Behind The Scenes and making ofs / video diaries etc.
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I agree about Tarkin was better looking than Leia but I wonder if since we figured out the CGI for Tarkin when we saw Leia, we anticipated the CGI and it looked worse.
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Tarkin was always in shadow / low light so the darkness obfuscated it a bit.
Leia was in a brightly lit room and in full face so it revealed the shortcomings.
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So the moral of the story is, "Evil wins the CGI war". :lol
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:lol Well, coming back to Leia, any thoughts on this?
Leia's ship: This is a tough one. The ending sequence with Vader going nuts and killing everyone, and literally having the data tapes be just inches away and almost in his hands was perhaps THE best scene in the entire Star Wars franchise. So just having that scene pretty much makes everything else forgivable. And in a way, they were sort of boxed in with what they could do with Leia's ship because of Ep. IV and a lot of the dramatic setup of the battle of Scarif. Ep. IV established that Vader knew the plans had been beamed to the rebels and traced to her ship. The way the battle unfolded, they had to beam it to a ship close to the planet's surface, and not somewhere halfway across the galaxy. And if it was beamed to a ship close by, and then a copy beamed away, that would have been lame. So they had to have the ship there. But having Leia there was lame and didn't work, for at least a couple of reasons: (1) There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that you would put a diplomat and noncombat royal official in the middle of an intense combat mission. None. It doesn't make any sense at all to have her there. (2) Having her there and having Vader know she was there makes her argument to him at the beginning of Ep. IV that they were on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and that she had no idea what he was talking about, just ring completely hollow and stupid. I mean, of course she was not being truthful with Vader. But at least in Ep. IV, it came across as, "Yeah, we may both know the truth, but you have absolutely no hard evidence that I am a rebel and that the plans were here, so I'm going to deny it." Now, that goes away, and her argument just looks stupid. And since Leia is decidedly NOT stupid, this just feels like a continuity error that they created by not figuring out a better way to handle getting the plans to her ship. I dunno. Maybe this will work itself out and not bother me as much later after seeing it again. But as of now, that is THE biggest gripe I have that bothers me about the film.
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The only part of that I can comment on right now is the idea that Vador just saw the ship leave and therefore Leia pretending it wasn't her is dumb etc.
I would argue that Vader didn't necessarily know it was her ship. Those ships were pretty common and often used by diplomats and other things. It would be like seeing an X-Wing take off. You know it's an X-Wing, but you have no idea which one it is. Might take a while to figure that out. It's possible Darth took a while to figure out which cruiser was the one that escaped. Not like they had license plates.
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Also, unrelated, but here's another thing I felt this film did really well (actually, two things, but they are very closely interrelated): Perhaps more than any other film, Rogue One really made me feel like the events in the Star Wars universe are taking place in a larger galaxy that populated by many different types of beings on many different types of worlds. I mean, that idea was put forth from the get-go in A New Hope. But I actually felt that a lot more in this film. The prequel trilogy actually did a lot to set this up as well. Actually, I'll go beyond that and say that the Prequel Trilogy did a great job of expanding the Star Wars "universe" and given some scale to it all.
Related to that, Rogue One really made me feel like the Rebellion was truly a "rebellion" in the truest sense, in terms of being a minority group rebelling against a huge government machine. I also thought it was great that they showed how splintered and divided the rebellion was. Some really good stuff going on there.
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I actually thought there was too much world hopping at the start. I'm not familiar with the SW universe so i'd never heard of any of those planets except Yavin 4 - and I only recognised
the name from a HITB video.
It was hard to keep track. But that was just me. I don't know if it was easier for actual SW fans...
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I agree Bosk1. It was nice to see a wider view of the galaxy as well as seeing how spread out the rebellion was.
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I actually thought there was too much world hopping at the start. I'm not familiar with the SW universe so i'd never heard of any of those planets except Yavin 4 - and I only recognised
the name from a HITB video.
It was hard to keep track. But that was just me. I don't know if it was easier for actual SW fans...
No, it wasn't any easier. Those were all new places that hadn't been introduced before. But it didn't bother me either. I never felt like they were hopping to a given place for no reason or just to be gratuitous (other than maybe Vader's castle). It all felt logical.
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I actually thought there was too much world hopping at the start. I'm not familiar with the SW universe so i'd never heard of any of those planets except Yavin 4 - and I only recognised
the name from a HITB video.
It was hard to keep track. But that was just me. I don't know if it was easier for actual SW fans...
It wasn't. The opening 30-whatever minutes of the movie are definetely too jumpy.
The only part of that I can comment on right now is the idea that Vador just saw the ship leave and therefore Leia pretending it wasn't her is dumb etc.
I would argue that Vader didn't necessarily know it was her ship. Those ships were pretty common and often used by diplomats and other things. It would be like seeing an X-Wing take off. You know it's an X-Wing, but you have no idea which one it is. Might take a while to figure that out. It's possible Darth took a while to figure out which cruiser was the one that escaped. Not like they had license plates.
This is probably my take on it too. Vader saw a ship take off and jump to light speed. It's really hard to track something down once it's made the hyperspace jump, usually in Star Wars it seems to basically mean that you've successfully escaped. I don't know how Vader caught up to the ship again, but I figured that by that point, pretending like she didn't know what Vader was talking about and that they had the wrong ship was the only move she could make.
Basically them shooting the crap out of each other in the A New Hope opening was the dumb move. If they were to play the "we're just diplomats" card they should have made it seem like they were cooperating with the Empire and get the plans out some other way, or maybe the same way. So in my mind, the logic is already a bit broken in the original movie.
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Righto. Well speaking for myself - I had trouble staying engaged with each new planet that was introduced.
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When does Leia know that Vader is her Dad ?
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Got a chance to see Rogue One over the weekend. I liked it, but didn't love it.
I'll start with the positive. The set pieces were gorgeous. The long action scene at the end was great. The cameos were cool. The way the film "expanded" the Star Wars universe as Bosk hit on above is true as well, and I really appreciate that. And yes, for the most part, the generation direction of the narrative was really interesting. We saw a different side of the rebellion, for sure.
I did think it suffered some of the writing issues of the other prequels, though, in the sense that, while the "big picture" was interesting, the way the plot moved from Point A to Point B sometimes left a little bit to be desired. The characters weren't fully developed. There were some illogical or otherwise circumstantial plot points that bothered me. For one, it makes the rebellion getting the Death Star plans look like an accident, or good luck, rather than a focused effort. This was a little bit disappointing. Also, I did think the movie was just plain slow. Until Vader's cameo, I was actually struggling to keep my eyes open. Maybe this is partly to blame because I'd read the Catalyst lead-in book, so I had already been made familiar with some of the film's early revelations (like the Death Star being powered by Jedi crystals).
But all in all, it's hard to be too disappointed. Rogue One is definitively outside the original trilogy and The Force Awakens for me, but I still enjoyed it more than any of the prequel films, which were better only in scope.
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I didn't like the droids popping up there for 2 seconds "because Star Wars". But it could have been so much worse. Imagine if they'd tried to shove in CGI han solo in some quick scene
or Boba Fett shows up for some reason or you see young CGI Lando just hanging out on some planet.
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When does Leia know that Vader is her Dad ?
About halfway through Return of the Jedi. Luke tells her while they're chillin' out at the Ewoks' before he goes to confront Vader.
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When does Leia know that Vader is her Dad ?
About halfway through Return of the Jedi. Luke tells her while they're chillin' out at the Ewoks' before he goes to confront Vader.
Oh - is that when she goes like " somehow i've always known " - the little speech that was in the first TFA teaser ?
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When does Leia know that Vader is her Dad ?
About halfway through Return of the Jedi. Luke tells her while they're chillin' out at the Ewoks' before he goes to confront Vader.
Oh - is that when she goes like " somehow i've always known " - the little speech that was in the first TFA teaser ?
Yup
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Personally I was ecstatic to see R2 and C3PO in their brief cameo, because Anthony Daniels is the only actor to be in EVERY single Star Wars film; originals, prequels, TFA and now RO. To me that is just cool to have that kind of continuity in a series that has lasted as long as Star Wars, and while the scene felt a little forced, there is a perfectly logical reason for the droids to be present with the rebellion, so why not?
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Going to see R1 again tomorrow!
My rating of it, is currently at 7/10. Hopefully that will increase with the second viewing!
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Personally I was ecstatic to see R2 and C3PO in their brief cameo, because Anthony Daniels is the only actor to be in EVERY single Star Wars film; originals, prequels, TFA and now RO. To me that is just cool to have that kind of continuity in a series that has lasted as long as Star Wars, and while the scene felt a little forced, there is a perfectly logical reason for the droids to be present with the rebellion, so why not?
Not only with the rebellion, but on that specific location at that specific time, about to set out on that specific mission. Of course they were going to show them there and didn't mind it at all either.
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$800m in just under 3 weeks. Wasn't expecting that. After the $290m opening weekend - I thought it would make around $200m the next weekend and about $150m the next week as everyone would
go and see it all at once. Opens in China this Friday. Force Awakens made about $150m there so Rogue one will probably make it to $1bn. Still less than half of what The Force Awakens made.
Will Episode 8 make more than Rogue One or will they gradually make less and less from here on out ?
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Rogue One was a side movie, it was never going to make as much as the main series movies with the characters people are already invested in, but it's done very well considering. It will probably manage to cross $1b, which is still very impressive.
I think Christmas and the New Year has slowed down people a bit from seeing it, more so than it affected TFA I think. I expect Ep VIII will make the big money again, at least 1.5b. I wouldn't bet on it topping TFA, but if it's better, who knows?
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I think franchise fatigue will start to set in after Episode 8. I think Force Awakens will be the high water mark and they'll gradually take less and less.
Definitely after Episode 9 for sure as Kathleen Kennedy or someone kinda hinted that it would be the last of the Skywalker story and it would be anthology movies from then on.
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Rogue One was a side movie, it was never going to make as much as the main series movies with the characters people are already invested in, but it's done very well considering. It will probably manage to cross $1b, which is still very impressive.
I think Christmas and the New Year has slowed down people a bit from seeing it, more so than it affected TFA I think. I expect Ep VIII will make the big money again, at least 1.5b. I wouldn't bet on it topping TFA, but if it's better, who knows?
There's also the fact that Ep VII deals with the unknown - it continues the story and people would have wanted to see it as soon as possible to find out what happens next and perhaps avoid spoilers. Whereas Rogue One and I imagine the majority of the anthology films will be a case of knowing broadly what happens, and so there's less need to see it as soon as it comes out, or indeed while it's in the cinema at all. As much as I liked Rogue One (overall probably about on a par with most of the Star Wars films, including Ep VII), it didn't have the same sense of adventure as VII. I knew they'd get the plans because that's how IV starts, and I had assumed the fate of the main characters. It was excellently done, particularly the scene on the beach towards the end, but it's always going to be less gripping than when you have no idea what's coming next.
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I think franchise fatigue will start to set in after Episode 8. I think Force Awakens will be the high water mark and they'll gradually take less and less.
Definitely after Episode 9 for sure as Kathleen Kennedy or someone kinda hinted that it would be the last of the Skywalker story and it would be anthology movies from then on.
I don't think it will be all anthology movies after that, I think they were going to continue the main saga indefinitely, but without the focus on the Skywalkers of the PT and OT.
Franchise fatigue is a big concern when you're releasing a movie a year, but to their credit I think they're off to as good a start as realistically possible in keeping these movies special and exciting for now. Ep VIII and IX will still make a boatload of money by any standards, and the anthology movies will always be a wildcard based on the subject matter.
Rogue One was a side movie, it was never going to make as much as the main series movies with the characters people are already invested in, but it's done very well considering. It will probably manage to cross $1b, which is still very impressive.
I think Christmas and the New Year has slowed down people a bit from seeing it, more so than it affected TFA I think. I expect Ep VIII will make the big money again, at least 1.5b. I wouldn't bet on it topping TFA, but if it's better, who knows?
There's also the fact that Ep VII deals with the unknown - it continues the story and people would have wanted to see it as soon as possible to find out what happens next and perhaps avoid spoilers. Whereas Rogue One and I imagine the majority of the anthology films will be a case of knowing broadly what happens, and so there's less need to see it as soon as it comes out, or indeed while it's in the cinema at all. As much as I liked Rogue One (overall probably about on a par with most of the Star Wars films, including Ep VII), it didn't have the same sense of adventure as VII. I knew they'd get the plans because that's how IV starts, and I had assumed the fate of the main characters. It was excellently done, particularly the scene on the beach towards the end, but it's always going to be less gripping than when you have no idea what's coming next.
You're absolutely right. That's the big reason I think that TFA was largely unaffected by the time of year, because you had to see that movie right away, or else suffer the spoilers. There are surprises in Rogue One that are nice to not know in advance, but there's nothing crucial in there as a standalone movie. You know where it ends, you can guess the characters' fates to some degree, you're just there for the ride.
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I wonder. After episode 9 of the Anthology films will be yearly or ever 2 years.
If there's no more "episodes" then every other year would be better to avoid getting bored of them.
But Marvel has like 2 a year and they all make money so who knows.
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I don't think it will be all anthology movies after that, I think they were going to continue the main saga indefinitely, but without the focus on the Skywalkers of the PT and OT.
I would definitely prefer that (or even exploring other parts of the Star Wars universe, such as a long time before the PT). The anthology films I'm sure will be enjoyable like Rogue One, but I would definitely be more interested in more exploring of the unknown. Anthology films set within the timeline already on screen will run out of ideas fast.
A Marvel-style shared universe could definitely work, though it would take a lot of thinking and coordination of course.
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I don't think it will be all anthology movies after that, I think they were going to continue the main saga indefinitely, but without the focus on the Skywalkers of the PT and OT.
I would definitely prefer that (or even exploring other parts of the Star Wars universe, such as a long time before the PT). The anthology films I'm sure will be enjoyable like Rogue One, but I would definitely be more interested in more exploring of the unknown. Anthology films set within the timeline already on screen will run out of ideas fast.
Also, we don't want/need to see every piece of history and character get a story. I like the idea of a continuing universe moving along with new characters and settings, whether it's Skywalkers or not. Plus it makes sense in terms of established characters and built sets.
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But do SW fans want to see a SW film without ANY established characters at all ?
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But do SW fans want to see a SW film without ANY established characters at all ?
Given how much SW fans like the extended universe through various media (books, video games, etc.) I'm pretty sure they'd be fine with it, on the whole.
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Once you've put a character in a movie, they're established for future movies. And there will always be major and minor characters to use, plus the iconic recognizable elements of ships and weapons and planets. You're never starting from scratch with Star Wars.
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Finally got to see it.
Great film. Exactly what I wanted. Better than Episodes 1-3 all together.
I knew Tarkin would be recreated, and I thought they did a fairly good job with it. I didn't know about Leia, that was a surprise, but I thought it was great that they did it, and I thought that she voiced the theme of the movie, which was mentioned other times ("Hope"), which leads thematically, as well as literally, into A New Hope.
C3PO and R2D2 were good to see, and given the circumstances of when they were seen, they didn't feel shoehorned in to me.
I thought the score was really good; not sure what some people's hangups are about it.
Also, that hallway fight scene with Vader was 10 pounds of badass in a 5 pound bag, and exactly what I wanted to see.
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Also, that hallway fight scene with Vader was 10 pounds of badass in a 5 pound bag, and exactly what I wanted to see.
Absolutely - worth the price of admission for that alone!
I thought the score was fine too. There's only one point where I noticed it a little "off" - where they were climbing up the column to get the data tape. (Sounded like minor seconds/semitone notes - kinda weird).
Not sure what people are saying is wrong with RO's score, but I thought it was better than the score to TFA, which was pretty forgettable, IMO.
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Also, that hallway fight scene with Vader was 10 pounds of badass in a 5 pound bag, and exactly what I wanted to see.
It really was awesome. So much so, as I stated earlier in the thread....I'd love to see just a 'stand alone' film of Vadar galavanting around the galaxy taking care of business for the Emperor. Maybe a stand alone film would be a bit too much....so, perhaps a short film of 'Vadars greatest hits' so to speak, just another twenty or so instances of him whooping a$$.
The only way that scene gets any better is if the majority of the 'Rogue One' crew were in that hallway and that's how they all met their death.....other than that....it had a very 'Anakin in the Clone Wars TV show' feel.....which I loved.
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Also, I saw it in IMAX 3D, and that was off the hook, especially the battle scenes.
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My wife ended up not going at the last minute. I should go back and see it again, and take her to see it in IMAX 3D.
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My wife ended up not going at the last minute. I should go back and see it again, and take her to see it in IMAX 3D.
:tup
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Also, I saw it in IMAX 3D, and that was off the hook, especially the battle scenes.
I've seen it twice. First time 'REAL' 3D....second time 'normal'. I will see it one more time in IMAX 3D and that will do if for me.
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I will say this about THAT Vader scene in Rogue One :
I'm not a fan of Vader. I find him to be Panto and really un-scary. Always have :dunno:
BUT
That scene in Rogue One was WAY BETTER than the crappy Yoda / Dooku fight in Attack of The Clones.
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I thought that last scene was excellent, and I agree with the people earlier who said it would've made for an epic Vader reveal instead of having him show up to do nothing earlier in the movie.
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I thought that last scene was excellent, and I agree with the people earlier who said it would've made for an epic Vader reveal instead of having him show up to do nothing earlier in the movie.
I agree with that. But I have no problem with how they did it. I mean, we all know that Vader is a hugely important figure during the time these events unfold, and that he would have been active and doing stuff, so I think it is appropriate that we see him earlier, and it would have been sort of weird to not see him and just be wondering what he is up to.
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I see how that also could have been cool, but Disney needed something for the trailer without spoiling the best bit! :lol
Also, even though we all know Vader, in terms of a standalone movie, I think it would have been weird to have such an important character only appear right at the end to kill people for a minute and that's it.
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A lot of people can't put their finger on why the first Vader scene with Krennic felt " off ".
Some say it's because they made the outfit deliberately naff looking to tie up with ANH..
For me - i think it was the fact that we had a brand new Vader scene complete with JEJ voice for the first time in a movie since Jedi in 1983 ?
* " NoooooooooooooOOOoooooo " doesn't count :p
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I think it's a bit of everything (uniform , voice etc....) but the gait is off too in that first scene. He walks faster with hips going up/down rather than the slower, big steps with a more regal , purposeful air seen in the OT. Very nitpicking but I think that was a big part of what made me think he seemed "off."
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I think it's a bit of everything (uniform , voice etc....) but the gait is off too in that first scene. He walks faster with hips going up/down rather than the slower, big steps with a more regal , purposeful air seen in the OT. Very nitpicking but I think that was a big part of what made me think he seemed "off."
Yes, absolutely that. I remember chuckling to myself at that scene and thinking, "what's with the hip sway? Who is that chick in the Vader suit?" :lol I had forgotten that until you mentioned it.
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Did Dave Prowse get a sex change ?
( yes I know it's not him )
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I thought that last scene was excellent, and I agree with the people earlier who said it would've made for an epic Vader reveal instead of having him show up to do nothing earlier in the movie.
I agree with that. But I have no problem with how they did it. I mean, we all know that Vader is a hugely important figure during the time these events unfold, and that he would have been active and doing stuff, so I think it is appropriate that we see him earlier, and it would have been sort of weird to not see him and just be wondering what he is up to.
Also, even though we all know Vader, in terms of a standalone movie, I think it would have been weird to have such an important character only appear right at the end to kill people for a minute and that's it.
Both good points. I don't think Vader detracted from the movie at all either. I thought it was appropriate even though he was underutilized in the plot. Of course that's par the course for most characters in the movie.
it had a very 'Anakin in the Clone Wars TV show' feel.....which I loved.
This so much. It truly made Vader feel like an evil force to be reckoned with.
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Yep, same voice and costume, but a different physical actor playing the part, and it was obvious. It seems like they would've paid more attention to that. I mean, for continuity's sake, they should've had the guy playing Vader literally watch A New Hope and spend some time learning how to move and walk the same way.
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Spencer Wilding who played Vader said,
"We studied the movements of Darth Vader. We had a trainer who got it bang on. We wanted to keep it 'Darth Vader!' It's every actor's dream. I'm still pinching myself!"
https://movieweb.com/rogue-one-star-wars-darth-vader-actor-interview/
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Spencer Wilding who played Vader said,
"We studied the movements of Darth Vader. We had a trainer who got it bang on. We wanted to keep it 'Darth Vader!' It's every actor's dream. I'm still pinching myself!"
https://movieweb.com/rogue-one-star-wars-darth-vader-actor-interview/
Huh. Well, in that case......
(https://s2.quickmeme.com/img/29/29e80918887fb395a9d85c7f025895e5840c7e35485b53767c1fc6a9bc49b552.jpg)
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We had a trainer who got it bang on.
The trainer should've been in the suit.
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We had a trainer who got it bang on.
The trainer should've been in the suit.
The trainer might not have been tall/big enough.
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It was Warwick Davis :lol
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Not only is Vader cool in the hallway scene, but they nailed absolutely everything about it. Vader of course was awesome, the score in that scene is insane, the way it was shot was perfect, and just the way it's structured with the door not working and the Death Star plans just out of Vader's reach. I liked the movie, but I'm not crazy about it and think it has some problems, but that scene is a perfect movie moment for a whole bunch of reasons.
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I'm glad they kept his motions for the hallway scene very simple. If he had been all kung-fu master like in the prequels, that would have been a terrible choice.
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I'll be that guy....
Why didn't Vader use the Force to grab the disc out of that dudes hand?
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He didn't want him to feel like he was forcing his hand. :neverusethis:
I must admit that I was thinking that at the time, but then hey..............stormtrooper armour :lol
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I'll be that guy....
Why didn't Vader use the Force to grab the disc out of that dudes hand?
Same reason person X didn't use the force to solve any other problem in any other film. It's what happens when you introduce an insane power that could solve most things.
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I'll be that guy....
Why didn't Vader use the Force to grab the disc out of that dudes hand?
Same reason person X didn't use the force to solve any other problem in any other film. It's what happens when you introduce an insane power that could solve most things.
Like the sonic screwdriver. *cough* Deux Ex Machina *cough*
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I'll be that guy....
Why didn't Vader use the Force to grab the disc out of that dudes hand?
I think it's as simple as he didn't know that guy was carrying the disc/file that had 'the' plans. It was a packed hallway full of people shooting at him and although he cut through them fairly easily I'm sure it would have required a lot of focus and attention to the 15 people shooting at him to A.) not get shot and deflect those shots B) wield his light saber and attack.
I can totally look past the fact he didn't snag that disc with the force due to what he had to focus his attention on in order to even make it to the end of the corridor.
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He probably tired himself out a bit mowing through an entire hallway of dudes using force powers. :lol
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I also think it's because he just didn't know that the dude in the back had what he was looking for in his hands.
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I also think it's because he just didn't know that the dude in the back had what he was looking for in his hands.
I think it's as simple as he didn't know that guy was carrying the disc/file that had 'the' plans.
yep...I think it's that easy of an explanation....certainly he's a crafty Sith Lord but that doesn't mean he 'knows' everything at all times....
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Saw R1, for the second time today.
I liked it more. I appreciated the character moments more. And as a result, appreciated their final fate more.
Not as good as Empire, ANH or TFA, but i think i'm beginning to like it more than Jedi.
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Rogue One is how the Prequel trilogy should have been.
Let's just hope the next two follow suit.
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Rogue One is how the Prequel trilogy should have been.
Well, both had sand, so I'd say that makes them pretty similar.
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Rogue One is how the Prequel trilogy should have been.
Well, both had sand, so I'd say that makes them pretty similar.
But in Rogue One it didn't get everywhere....
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No, it did. It's just that nobody complained about it.
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I feel like a couple people might've complained about the sand mess the Empire made on Jedha.
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I liked that sequence. A planet exploding in almost super slow mo. And you're on the surface as the debris is coming towards you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI
RLM set their cross-hairs on Podcasts.
:rollin
" i liked force awakens when it came out and now it sucks..."
That was hysterical. It reminded me of Still Untitled when they're all gushing about a film.
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I'm mad they always release their videos early in the day while I'm at work. :angry:
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I'm mad they always release their videos early in the day while I'm at work. :angry:
it's a good one. Lots of laughs from me.
Also wrong thread. Sorry mods. But it *IS* Star Wars related luckily...
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Dang it, you even made me think it was the wrong thread. :getoffmylawn:
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A short video on creating CGI Tarkin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMB2sLwz0Do
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Not bad.
It looked worse there than I remember in the cinema.
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Very interesting. I think the fact that they had a cast of Peter Cushing's face helped them to keep the overall dimensions right. CGI Leia's face seems too long or something - the eyes are ok, but the mouth looks wrong to me.
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It's really hard to capture a convincing likeness of someone. Humans are well tuned to recognizing faces from birth, so people can tell if anything is off, even if they can't pinpoint exactly what.
Not bad.
It looked worse there than I remember in the cinema.
The slight discrepancies are probably more noticeable when you're focusing on it out of context than when you're in the cinema taking in a film. I remember if looking maybe a little worse in the cinema, so maybe I'm just used to seeing him now.
I wonder how long it will be before a movie manages a 100% convincing CGI human. So close, yet so far.
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It's really hard to capture a convincing likeness of someone. Humans are well tuned to recognizing faces from birth, so people can tell if anything is off, even if they can't pinpoint exactly what.
Totally. As soon as Tarkin appeared, my 9 year old pointed to the screen and said "Dad, is he animated, is he animated?", so it didn't fool him. :)
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Had you mentioned that earlier, or did I also read somewhere else about someone's kid saying the same thing?
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I think someone else here had a kid sitting behind him who said like "that's a cartoon" or something.
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My 12 yr old brother said it too.
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Just saw it. Wow. The last 30 minutes were a blast. I prefer dark Star Wars to muppet show Star Wars (Ep. VI). Episode VII was a cover version. Empire: Just quit building Death Stars, k ?
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Had you mentioned that earlier, or did I also read somewhere else about someone's kid saying the same thing?
Yeah, it felt familiar typing it, so I may have been repeating myself in my old age.. :lol
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I feel like RLM did a good job of pointing out some issues that have bothered me as well. On one hand it's like people want something new and fresh, but on the other hand certain things HAVE to be in every Star Wars movie. And in the case of Rogue One you can make a point that Tarkin and Leia had to be there and had to be CGI because story reasons, even though I feel like you should have cut down Tarkin considerably, maybe just see his reflection and have Krennic report to him via hologram or something, and Leia did not need to be shown at all. A simple line like "you have to get this to her" at the end when they had the plans would have been enough. With the Episodes, we're moving ahead and it sort of makes sense to have Luke, Leia (not for so much anymore), C3PO, R2D2, Chewbacca and all these faces, until their characters die.
But then when they are going outside the box with the anthology movies, we're getting a Han Solo movie without Harrison Ford. This new kid might be a good fit, but is this something we really needed? To quote Jay from RLM: "These are things I know". You make a movie about a young Han Solo with a new actor, you get to shove in Chewie, Lando, the falcon, and you get to address some of those lines in the OT about what Han Solo did before A New Hope. Then there's talks about a Boba Fett movie, one of the most useless characters in the OT, but his look is iconic and a lot of people think he's sort of cool because of the design and the fact that we learn nothing, there's talks about a young Yoda movie, a movie about what Obi-Wan did between RotS and ANH (which I would be interested in, despite it being fan service). The movies might turn out solid but it's still slightly disappointing to me that they can't come up with new ideas for moving forward that doesn't involve going backwards to revisit <character we know and love that will sell toys>. Maybe 10 years down the line when they are done milking the legacy of the old movies, we might get something fresh like an Old Republic movie, because that could be neat. Seriously, just make a set of Star Wars movies set either 1000 years before the OT or 1000 years after. Something that stands on its own without having to include death stars or tie fighters.
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Hopefully they'll slowly move away from the core characters and story lines. They understandably can't do that right away, they're still trying to earn back the cost of buying Lucasfilm in the first place. from the sounds of it from official and rumor sources, they're really not planning any stand-alone Star Wars movies yet. When you're including main characters or main story lines from other movies, it's not really stand-alone. I think it will be a very long time before we see a Star Wars movie that includes only new or very tangential characters from other movies and plot lines that don't directly feed into the main Star Wars saga. Hopefully they'll get there eventually and hopefully they can do it well. The nostalgia factor was a good part of what made Force Awakens and Rogue One so good. It would be interesting to see a Star Wars film that didn't have the same nostalgia going for it.
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Well just in Box Office alone - they've made $3bn back from the $4bn they paid for Lucasfilm and that doesn't even include advertising and merchandise.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2015/12/16/how-disneys-star-wars-merchandise-is-set-to-make-billions/#3572261741a4
They probably made it back already so from here on they're in profit.
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Yeah, add it merchandise and they're probably close if not past the break even point. I hadn't thought about that.
But they're still in the business of making money, so it's unlikely they're going to take any big risks with the Star Wars franchise anytime soon.
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Yeah, add it merchandise and they're probably close if not past the break even point. I hadn't thought about that.
But they're still in the business of making money, so it's unlikely they're going to take any big risks with the Star Wars franchise anytime soon.
Not for the first 6 at least. After that - assuming each movie makes at least $500m - then they can risk it as they'll only be making money after that.
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Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $477,273,354 52.2%
+ Foreign: $437,100,000 47.8%
= Worldwide: $914,373,354
Not bad at all.
After the $290m opening - I thought it would plateau and taper off but no. No China numbers on Box Office Mojo yet but it'll be $1bn when they come in.
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Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $477,273,354 52.2%
+ Foreign: $437,100,000 47.8%
= Worldwide: $914,373,354
Not bad at all.
After the $290m opening - I thought it would plateau and taper off but no. No China numbers on Box Office Mojo yet but it'll be $1bn when they come in.
I read it didn't do so well in China opening day.
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Cant imagine why. I mean...It had Chinese actors in and everything.
Of that international haul this weekend, Rogue One opened in its last international territory this weekend, China, where it brought in an estimated $31 million for the three-day, only 61% of Star Wars: The Force Awakens' two-day opening weekend. Nevertheless it was the #1 film in China this weekend, pulling in an estimated 56% market share.
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I didn't expect it to do that well in China for the same reason that TFA didn't do amazingly. As hard as Disney tried in marketing TFA, Star Wars just isn't ingrained in pop culture in China like it is in many other places. And while it's a great standalone movie, it does rely on an interest in the Star Wars history and films. Maybe adding a Chinese actor helped, but probably not by much.
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So how did R1 do compared to TFA?
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TFA opening weekend around $520m
R1 opening weekend around $290m
TFA finished on around $2.1 bn
R1 after nearly 4 weeks is on $914m
So it's about half - give or take.
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Dayum
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R1 will take a billion dollars all told but i don't think Episode 8 will take $2bn like The Force Awakens did.
But I don't think Disney care too much since they're already in profit just from merch - and there's at least 4 more films after R1.
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I wouldn't assume they are in "profit" yet. You are looking at gross numbers, not net. I mean, they may very well be on that side of the ledger with merch. But they have huge expenditures in a lot of SW-related areas as well, such as Star Wars Land at Disney, for example. I'm sure the company is making money. There's no way they aren't. But as to whether they have already recouped the purchase cost, I'm not so sure it won't still be awhile.
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Lucasfilm : " We will not digitally re-create Carrie Fisher for Episode 9. All her shots in Episode 8 were already completed. "
That is a relief. A digital re-creation would seem a bit cold.
*SPOILER*
They've confirmed also that Luke and Leia reunite in Episode 8. And have considered cutting some of her scenes from 8 to put in 9 instead.
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I can't see her having a major part in Ep 8 anyway.
You think they could write her out of it for 9 in some way. Maybe a ship gets destroyed as part of a space battle, and she happened to have been on it, or something.. :)
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Yes. Allegedly Treverrow is meeting with Lucasfilm to discuss rewrites.
It's not out for just under 3 years so they still have plenty of time.
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You think they could write her out of it for 9 in some way. Maybe a ship gets destroyed as part of a space battle, and she happened to have been on it, or something.. :)
It's going to have to be something along these lines....something this abrupt. And, IMO they are going to have to rely on the understanding of the fan base to give them a bit of slack when trying to overcome this massive issue. I don't think there is a real 'good' way to just quickly remove Leia from the narrative....it's as much on 'us' the fans as them the storytellers to find a middle ground where it's agreed that yeah...this isn't the way it was supposed to go but we all know the issue....here's our explanation.
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She doesn't have to die off camera necessarily.
She might have gone into hiding or you just don't see her again.
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I think people just hate the idea of recasting because it's too soon. Take some time, let everyone grieve, then they should re-cast the role. Lots of movies have recast characters when an actor dies. I don't think the story should be sacrificed. I think they should continue with whatever plans they had in the story for Leia, and recast it.
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But they haven't written Episode 9 yet.
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But they haven't written Episode 9 yet.
No, but they have most of the story planned out.
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No way do they recast her. It's too iconic of a role. Just write her out somehow. Salvage unused footage from episode 7 and 8 to use her for a few scenes in 9 if necessary. Shouldn't be too hard to modify the basic plot that has been layed out for episode 9.
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No way do they recast her. It's too iconic of a role. Just write her out somehow. Salvage unused footage from episode 7 and 8 to use her for a few scenes in 9 if necessary. Shouldn't be too hard to modify the basic plot that has been layed out for episode 9.
Give her lines to another character if at all possible.
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Give her lines to another character if at all possible.
I can't see Luke turning to Kylo Ren and saying "come to momma!" :lol
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Last year was Star Trek's 50th anniversary and we got the first Trek movie released since Leonard Nimoy died and it included a tribute in the movie to him.
This year is Star Wars' 40th anniversary and the first SW film released since we lost Carrie Fisher.
I wonder if they'll include a tribute in Episode 8 and if it will be as good as the one for Leonard in Star Trek Beyond.
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Don't know if anyone saw this, but they released a deleted/unfinished scene from The Force Awakens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFrY8NFfAQ
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Chewbacca ripping arms off is awesome, but it also would have been yet another ANH comparison with a character losing an arm at a cantina type of thing.
I'm torn on this one, no pun intended.
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Yeah weird that it's making the rounds now, I'm seeing it being shared everywhere on the internet like it just got leaked or something. That scene was included in the 3D Blu-ray release of The Force Awakens that came out in Nov of last year.
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Chewbacca ripping arms off is awesome, but it also would have been yet another ANH comparison with a character losing an arm at a cantina type of thing.
I'm torn on this one, no pun intended.
Not to mention the mention of Chewie ripping off arms in ANH.
Glad it didn't make the cut.
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Chewbacca ripping arms off is awesome, but it also would have been yet another ANH comparison with a character losing an arm at a cantina type of thing.
I'm torn on this one, no pun intended.
Not to mention the mention of Chewie ripping off arms in ANH.
Glad it didn't make the cut.
Same here, doesn't really fit the tone IMO. I guess you could say it was getting a bit out of hand.
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Not only is Vader cool in the hallway scene, but they nailed absolutely everything about it. Vader of course was awesome, the score in that scene is insane, the way it was shot was perfect, and just the way it's structured with the door not working and the Death Star plans just out of Vader's reach. I liked the movie, but I'm not crazy about it and think it has some problems, but that scene is a perfect movie moment for a whole bunch of reasons.
This, the last 15 minutes were without a doubt the best of the film and had me looking at the screen with awe and joy, like I was watching Star Wars for the very first time. I loved it and the whole film made sense at that point, when you realise that it really only happens very shortly before ANH.
Also that moment when they're stuck on the plant and the Death Star appears. You just know they're so fucked and somehow that's pretty cool.
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Just as a hypothetical, I would have liked to see what Charles Dance could have done if he played Darth Tyranus
(https://www.bryanreesman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Charles-Dance-Game-Of-Thrones.jpg)
I like christopher Lee and everything, but Dance was 54 at the time instead in his 70's as lee was, and I think he could have brought real gravity and menace to the character, which I did not feel from Lee. Also, not calling him dooku would have helped too. Darth Tywin could have been sweet IMO.
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Yeah, I suppose Dance would have done well in that part. He can be a menacing dude. I don't know who I would have liked more though.
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Dance is awesome in everything he does.
You saw The Golden Child, right?
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" I could destroy you. Just. Like. That. "
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My dear, sweet brother Numsie!
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" I...i..i..ii..iiii...i.i want the knife.......
.....plllleeeeaaaseeeee..."
:biggrin:
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Rogue One has settled down. Currently on $988m
Hardly chicken feed but still less than half of what The Force Awakens made.
It had a whopping 75% 2nd weekend drop off in China - guess cynically casting Chinese actors to boost the Box Office didn't work huh... Half of them saw this one.
I'm interested to see if it's because it was a spin off or if people are already getting Franchise Fatigue ?
Guess we'll find out in about a year.
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I'm interested to see if it's because it was a spin off or if people are already getting Franchise Fatigue ?
I'd guess it's mostly that it's a spin off with no big name characters other than Vader for a few minutes. It's hard to have franchise fatigue when only 2 movies in the franchise have been released in the last decade. Give it a few more years and a couple mediocre spin off films and I could see franchise fatigue setting in.
Episode 8 will not earn as much as TFA most likely, but it should be quite a bit more than Rogue One.
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It's A Wrap !!!
Rogue One crosses $1bn.
Now sits at $1,011,301,563
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It's A Wrap !!!
Rogue One crosses $1bn.
Now sits at $1,011,301,563
Thanks to my date and I seeing it for the first time in 3D last night :corn
Liked it, but I guess maybe it was over hyped as everyone told me it was amazing, and I kind of felt like if you took out the last 15 minutes it would of only been just an OK movie. I really do like the way these new Star Wars movies look though. Just looks so much more realistic and well done compared to episodes 1-3.
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3D !
Basically charging you 33% extra to wear sunglasses in the cinema !!
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3D !
Basically charging you 33% extra to wear sunglasses in the cinema !!
My date wanted to see it in 3D. I can't say I care about it, but the price was $0.51 more for the 3D and about 4% extra. This theater has pretty good prices actually. (and she had a gift card so we didn't pay either way besides the popcorn and those prices are worth complaining about ($7 for medium))
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C23gmNXUAAEuQhC.jpg:large)
BREAKING !
STAR WARS EPISODE 8 OFFICIALLY TITLED :
" THE LAST JEDI. "
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I like it. My only minor criticism would be that they avoid too many sequential "The" titles.
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It's a decent title.
Does that imply The Last Jedi is Luke ? Or maybe Luke dies and then Rey is the last Jedi ? :o
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The name sounds great. And I can't remember the Star Wars logo being in red before for the movies. Is that a first?
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Makes a change at least.
But with Adam Driver saying it's " Like Empire " - i hope they're not literally just remaking the original trilogy beat for beat.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C23gmNXUAAEuQhC.jpg:large)
BREAKING !
STAR WARS EPISODE 8 OFFICIALLY TITLED :
" THE LAST JEDI. "
Really like the title! I'ts going to be a long wait for December...
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Title is cool. Hopefully the film lives up to it.
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I'm hopeful they do something great and original with this movie, now that they've established the groundwork, and aren't quite as rushed working on everything on scratch as they were for TFA. No JJ is also a bonus.
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Adam Driver says it will be incredible, and he wishes that it could be released without any commercials or tralers (although he knows that is impossible).
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Interesting title! Sounds more like a title for the final Episode but it's cool nevertheless.
So Luke Skywalker is the title character of the movie?
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No JJ is also a bonus.
Because The Force Awakens was so terrible.
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Interesting title! Sounds more like a title for the final Episode but it's cool nevertheless.
So Luke Skywalker is the title character of the movie?
I'm guessing it's a RED herring and Luke dies and Rey becomes the Last jedi.
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No JJ is also a bonus.
Because The Force Awakens was so terrible.
I didn't say it was. Nonetheless, I'm not a fan of JJ, and some of his signatures that crept in, and am glad that he's not directing this one.
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Rian is an indie director like Gareth Edwards - so he's more likely to focus on story and characters.
However I thought TFA was very well directed. The action scenes weren't just extreme close up shaky cam.
That Falcon chase on Jakku was awesome on the Big Screen.
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Jedi also doesn't have to refer to one person, so the title doesn't have to refer to one character. Like eg. The Last Samurai, many erroneously think the title is referring to Tom Cruise as the last samurai when it was in fact referring to all the Samurai people as the last of their kind.
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Like the title. Extremely excited for the movie. Not watching the trailers will be a pain, but I'll remain strong.
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I'm not watching the trailer at all, but it's going to be so difficult to avoid the chatter that spills over everywhere.
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Jedi also doesn't have to refer to one person, so the title doesn't have to refer to one character. Like eg. The Last Samurai, many erroneously think the title is referring to Tom Cruise as the last samurai when it was in fact referring to all the Samurai people as the last of their kind.
Yes It could be plural. Or a collective noun.
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I'm not watching the trailer at all, but it's going to be so difficult to avoid the chatter that spills over everywhere.
I don't care about spoilers. I was too excited for Star Trek Into Darkness - I watched every TV spot, Every trailer, every news update etc.
It didn't spoil it for me. In fact - I preferred knowing Ben was Khan going into it.
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Jedi also doesn't have to refer to one person, so the title doesn't have to refer to one character. Like eg. The Last Samurai, many erroneously think the title is referring to Tom Cruise as the last samurai when it was in fact referring to all the Samurai people as the last of their kind.
I wonder how this will translate to other languages. In German, for instance, that kind of ambiguity isn't possible, and they'll have to settle on one - which could be a clue as to what is the intended meaning.
Though The Last Samurai is translated in the singular to German, so who knows. :lol
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La Dernier Homme du Force
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Jedi also doesn't have to refer to one person, so the title doesn't have to refer to one character. Like eg. The Last Samurai, many erroneously think the title is referring to Tom Cruise as the last samurai when it was in fact referring to all the Samurai people as the last of their kind.
Yes It could be plural. Or a collective noun.
Yeah, I think the title is deliberately ambiguous.
I think I'll be looking at this one with a more critical eye. TFA to me was partly about resetting what a Star Wars movie should look and feel like, so for that reason I can overlook some of the stuff that people complain was lifted right from the original trilogy.
Now's the time to take the story off in a brand new direction.
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Sweeeet!
Immediately thought of one of the handful of scenes that stuck with me as a kid.
Yoda: "Luke, when I am gone, the last of the Jedi you will be".
:metal :corn :corn :corn
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I am ready for a trailer
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I'm betting a teaser soon and then a full blown two minute trailer on May 4th.
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I wonder if there's a reason the color of the logo was switched to red, or if they felt like the marketing could do with a change.
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I wonder if there's a reason the color of the logo was switched to red, or if they felt like the marketing could do with a change.
Good question. But the first thought that came to mind is that the title implies an extinction of the Jedi, and red is the color most associated with the Sith, so it is, like the typical middle chapter of a 3-act story, meant to be in line with the bad buys winning and things looking pretty grim for our heroes.
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Kylo will kill Luke.
Rey will be revealed to be Luke's daughter making her the last Of the Jedi.
In Episode 9 she will have to train with Maz Kanata to take down Kylo or Snoke - teaming up with Kylo Ren who has turned to the light after being full of remorse...
C3PO will have a pointless cameo and be all camp.
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Haha...
" Star Wars fans who hate the prequels never have a valid argument "
They have several but fanboy sheep never accept them anyway.
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I wonder if there's a reason the color of the logo was switched to red, or if they felt like the marketing could do with a change.
Good question. But the first thought that came to mind is that the title implies an extinction of the Jedi, and red is the color most associated with the Sith, so it is, like the typical middle chapter of a 3-act story, meant to be in line with the bad buys winning and things looking pretty grim for our heroes.
Hopefully! I'm a fan of the whole 'second act being the darkest' thing, so you might be on to something.
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Finally got to see this. Bit of a rocky start, but ended up really loving it. That ending though... :'(
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I felt nothing at the end.
The Vader scene was pure fan service to me and the lead characters were SO dull and cardboard that when they all died - i felt nothing.
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Love the title. My first thought was that it's referencing Luke, and that Episode VIII will be all about Luke, but that's obviously pure speculation and there are many other possibilities that people have jumped all over. Either way, really excited to hopefully see a first teaser in a few months.
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I'm betting a teaser soon and then a full blown two minute trailer on May 4th.
Superbowl Im guessing we get a teaser trailer
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I'm betting a teaser soon and then a full blown two minute trailer on May 4th.
Superbowl Im guessing we get a teaser trailer
Safe bet.
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It seems like a lot of people are reading way too far into the title. It was said by Yoda "the last of the Jedi will you be" which would indicate that the focus of this movie is on Luke. I don't read it as there will not be anymore Jedi or that Luke dies. :corn
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It seems like a lot of people are reading way too far into the title.
I think that is the very reason they chose the title. It's so ambiguous that you can read into it a few different ways....and certainly whatever trailers or footage they release will fuel or aide any number of those angles or theories....meaning we all know there will be no 'clear cut' affirmation of what the title means until after opening weekend.
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The opening crawl of TFA directly calls Luke the last Jedi, as does Snoke. So it's just a reference to Luke on a surface level. Given that Rey has now found Luke, she will probably get trained like Luke in ESB, so it may refer to her too.
It really doesn't need to be any more complex than that.
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Given that Rey has now found Luke, she will probably get trained like Luke in ESB
Nah, it wouldn't be like the franchise to just repeat an old story like that.
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The opening crawl of TFA directly calls Luke the last Jedi, as does Snoke. So it's just a reference to Luke on a surface level. Given that Rey has now found Luke, she will probably get trained like Luke in ESB, so it may refer to her too.
It really doesn't need to be any more complex than that.
:lol No it really doesn't. But it's the internet and Star Wars, so....here comes 11 months of far stretching pontification.
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Figured they'd call it "The First Order Strikes Back"
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The opening crawl of TFA directly calls Luke the last Jedi, as does Snoke. So it's just a reference to Luke on a surface level. Given that Rey has now found Luke, she will probably get trained like Luke in ESB, so it may refer to her too.
It really doesn't need to be any more complex than that.
:lol No it really doesn't. But it's the internet and Star Wars, so....here comes 11 months of far stretching pontification.
" THE REAL LAST JEDI IN THE NEW STAR WARS THEY WON'T TELL YOU ABOUT "
" THE LAST JEDI ISN'T LUKE OR REY - CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHO it might be "
" FAN SPECULATIONS ABOUT THE NEW STAR WARS ? WHO IS THE LAST JEDI ? ITS NOT LUKE ! "
" OMG LUKE AND LEIA WERE NOT RELATED AFTER ALL ! SHOCK NEW TWIST FIND OUT THE REAL LAST JEDI "
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I don't think there's any way they kill off Luke in Ep. VIII. Even if they had planned on doing so, Carrie Fisher's death means no Leia in Ep. IX unless they cobble together some footage. There needs to be one original character left in Ep. IX.
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I don't think there's any way they kill off Luke in Ep. VIII. Even if they had planned on doing so, Carrie Fisher's death means no Leia in Ep. IX unless they cobble together some footage. There needs to be one original character left in Ep. IX.
Well, if that was part of the story they filmed it prior to her dying....and it'd most likely be intracle to the story of VIII.....I don't see how they could reshoot and rewrite to keep him alive at this point
Then again, i don't see them killing him off. It's Luke freaking Skywalker. Mr. Star Wars. He has to remain around IMO.
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I don't think there's any way they kill off Luke in Ep. VIII. Even if they had planned on doing so, Carrie Fisher's death means no Leia in Ep. IX unless they cobble together some footage. There needs to be one original character left in Ep. IX.
Well, if that was part of the story they filmed it prior to her dying....and it'd most likely be intracle to the story of VIII.....I don't see how they could reshoot and rewrite to keep him alive at this point
Then again, i don't see them killing him off. It's Luke freaking Skywalker. Mr. Star Wars. He has to remain around IMO.
If they were planning on it, they could somehow delay that moment until Ep. IX, I guess. However I agree that Luke should survive.
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No opinion. Since I don't know the story, I can't say whether his living or dying would best serve the story.
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
Maybe one day Disney will get around to releasing the original theatrical versions of the original trilogy on blu ray. I would get those first day.
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
Maybe one day Disney will get around to releasing the original theatrical versions of the original trilogy on blu ray. I would get those first day.
They *MUST* know they'd fly off the shelves like nobodies' business if they ever release those. They're probably saving it for when Episode 9 is over and done with.
It's funny how the "Special Editions" actually meant " New Regular Editions"...
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They must be waiting till episode 9, because the demand is definitely there. Big time.
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You know what i thought would last til Episode 9 ?
Starkiller Base.
i was shocked when they destroyed it in Episode 7.
??? Now what are they gonna do ?
Please dont build a BIGGER one ffs :lolpalm:
Size of Jupiter. The ring around the outside is the parking bay.
" Welcome to Starkiller Base II. The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone. "
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Listen Betty...
https://youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo?t=53s
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I was expecting starkiller base to get disabled or severely damaged and then destroyed in later films
When they blew it up, i was like "oh, well so
Much for that"
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
Maybe one day Disney will get around to releasing the original theatrical versions of the original trilogy on blu ray. I would get those first day.
Have you seen the Despecialized Versions? Amazingly awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHfLX_TMduY
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
Maybe one day Disney will get around to releasing the original theatrical versions of the original trilogy on blu ray. I would get those first day.
They *MUST* know they'd fly off the shelves like nobodies' business if they ever release those. They're probably saving it for when Episode 9 is over and done with.
They're probably waiting for when the rights to ep 5 & 6 revert to them in 2020, and then they'll have to negotiate for ep 4. Apparently there are new 4K transfers of the movies (or at least ANH so far), which would most likely mean the theatrical versions got scanned, as the SE was only ever done at 2K.
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I've been slowly going through the original trilogy after seeing Rogue One. Watched The Empire Strikes Back last night, and I was reminded how much I hate that they changed Boba Fett's voice.
Yeah, that annoys the shit out of me too.
For one, its jarring since I am used to how the voice always used to be
And two, the way that the new guy delivers the lines are flat and stilted, so it stands out in that way as well.
I would probably dislike the prequels less, if characters/actors from them were not shoe horned in to the original trilogy.
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I also hate what they did to Boba Fett's voice. The other bit that gets me is in ESB where Vader's very abrupt "bring my shuttle" was changed to some long sentence about telling his star destroyer to prepare for his arrival, just so they could squeeze in another shot of a spaceship.
On the release of the originals on Blu-Ray, I'd be happy with them doing subtle changes, like to remove matte lines, or tweak the lightsaber colours, say, but nothing more. I think I could stretch to including the updated Emperor hologram scene in Empire, but keeping the original dialogue.
(Speaking of the Emperor, I thought the makeup job on him for Ep III wasn't very good - not at all close to how he looked in ROTJ.)
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I also hate what they did to Boba Fett's voice. The other bit that gets me is in ESB where Vader's very abrupt "bring my shuttle" was changed to some long sentence about telling his star destroyer to prepare for his arrival, just so they could squeeze in another shot of a spaceship.
Oh yeah, something irked me about that line, and I wasn't quite sure why. Now I know.
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I just wish the changes weren't an all or nothing game. Some of the changes were really good, I think. Fixing the matte paintings, the lightsabers and other effects that looked a bit meh in the original, or changing the emperor so their's more continuity, or even adding digital ships to the fights so they seem more big.
But they just took it too far. I wish there was a way to get rid of the bad changes, and keep the good ones. But sadly it's a black and white thinking style.
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I just wish the changes weren't an all or nothing game. Some of the changes were really good, I think. Fixing the matte paintings, the lightsabers and other effects that looked a bit meh in the original, or changing the emperor so their's more continuity, or even adding digital ships to the fights so they seem more big.
But they just took it too far. I wish there was a way to get rid of the bad changes, and keep the good ones. But sadly it's a black and white thinking style.
Yeah. There's a cool shot or two that they added of the X-Wings and Y-Wings prior to the assault on the Death Star in A New Hope, but then there's also the enormous amount of stupid extra droids and creatures in Mos Eisley, the bad-looking Jabba scene...
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I just wish the changes weren't an all or nothing game. Some of the changes were really good, I think. Fixing the matte paintings, the lightsabers and other effects that looked a bit meh in the original, or changing the emperor so their's more continuity, or even adding digital ships to the fights so they seem more big.
But they just took it too far. I wish there was a way to get rid of the bad changes, and keep the good ones. But sadly it's a black and white thinking style.
Yeah. There's a cool shot or two that they added of the X-Wings and Y-Wings prior to the assault on the Death Star in A New Hope, but then there's also the enormous amount of stupid extra droids and creatures in Mos Eisley, the bad-looking Jabba scene...
Exactly, some are good, some are really really bad.
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The changes they made on the special editions were atrocious. I remember watching Empire and there were random lines changed that weren't even bad to begin with. Han slicing open the tonton to build the shelter, they changed his line.... Really? Maybe I lost my mind and it was all my imagination though.
Return of the Jedi was the worst. The ewok song "Yub Nub" at the end completely removed, replaced with random scenes of people rejoicing on other planets, including a crowd of gungans yelling "weesa win!" When I saw that I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth. I'm not even a purist, I don't mind changes if they improve it. And the singers and dancers in jabba's palace - they took changes with that WAY too far.
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The ewok song "Yub Nub" at the end completely removed, replaced with random scenes of people rejoicing on other planets, including a crowd of gungans yelling "weesa win!"
I thought those shots of the other planets was great. It showed that the rebellion was about more than just Luke/Han/Leia. It was about freedom for the whole galaxy. And I even liked the new song, though the kid in me missed Yub Nub.
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I have no problem with the special effects being cleaned up and subtle stuff like, cloud city being shown outside the windows and x wings approaching the death star, establishing shots flying in to cloud city or some tentacles on the sarlaac pit. That stuff doesn't mess with the narrative
But shit like dialogue changes, voice actor changes, new dance numbers, character removals, character additions, ie Hayden ghost and stuff like Vader going "no, no" in return of the jedi. Fuck all of that.
I'm honestly surprised that lucas didn't add in extra dialogue when vader was in his meditation chamber of him saying "i miss padme, i miss padme..."
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Anyone who wants the originals needs to get the Despecialized Editions. You can enjoy them with excellent sound, video and none of the added cheese just the way they were meant to be in DVD fromat. You can make nice DVD cases and everything.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yLsvexWBVM8IYSGopKuSfsGk5YIgCwQWd23bqb5ryD4/pub
How to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvZ-rKdYQY
labels and artwork
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Custom-blu-ray-setfor-the-Despecialized-Editions/id/18201
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The ewok song "Yub Nub" at the end completely removed, replaced with random scenes of people rejoicing on other planets, including a crowd of gungans yelling "weesa win!"
I thought those shots of the other planets was great. It showed that the rebellion was about more than just Luke/Han/Leia. It was about freedom for the whole galaxy. And I even liked the new song, though the kid in me missed Yub Nub.
I have no problem with the new scenes, I just don't like the fact that they removed memorable parts for them. But at the end of the day, regardless of the version, I still enjoy the movies and always will :azn:
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An interesting argument advocating for Hayden to show up in Ep. VIII or IX: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-anakin-skywalker-should-return-episode-8-968216 I'm not sure what I think about that. Part of me reflexively cringes at the very notion. But I also think he makes some good arguments, not the least of which is simply pointing out that the prequels did not fail because of Hayden's acting; they failed because of Lucas' directing of Hayden's (and others') acting.
I also just want to say that I am really looking forward to the next film. Disney is knocking it out of the park so far. Love what they are doing.
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Yeah, I think that most of the hate Hayden gets isn't entirely his fault. For starters, he had some terrible dialogue in the prequels to work with lol 'I DON'T LIKE SAND IT GETS EVERYWHERE'
As you say bosk, I cringe to the thought of having any Anakin leftovers of the prequels in the new trilogy but at the same time it would make the whole 9 movie saga come together nicely.
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Yeah, I think that most of the hate Hayden gets isn't entirely his fault. For starters, he had some terrible dialogue in the prequels to work with lol 'I DON'T LIKE SAND IT GETS EVERYWHERE'
Yup. And Lucas just isn't a great director anyway. Sometimes, a great director can actually get a good performance out of a bad line and make it good. Not Lucas. So Hayden had two strikes against him that had nothing to do with him.
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Honestly, if ANY actor could give a good delivery of "Love won’t save you, Padme. Only my new powers can do that", they deserve an Oscar on that merit alone.
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I will say that I think it's a pretty cool idea to have Anakin's force-ghost pulling Kylo one direction while the Snoke pulls him the other. The other reasons (in the video) didn't hold much weight with me.
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Honestly, if ANY actor could give a good delivery of "Love won’t save you, Padme. Only my new powers can do that", they deserve an Oscar on that merit alone.
'You brought him here to kill me *chokes Padme*'
Ah, 2005.
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Actually, just went over it in my head. Not sure about Attack of the Clones, but you know who could have really pulled off Anakin's part in Revenge of the Sith?
Arnold.
Think about it.
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*thinks about it*
Yeah, maybe so.
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Honestly, go through some of his awful lines from Revenge of the Sith and try to imagine Arnold doing them in a very Arnold way. It works!
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Do you think that Hayden could pull off lines like "Ice to see you!"?
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Well he's got fire covered.
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Do you think that Hayden could pull off lines like "Ice to see you!"?
This ain't a two way road bro.
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:hat
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Do you think that Hayden could pull off lines like "Ice to see you!"?
GO! Get to the Speeder!
If it bleeds....we can use the Force on It....
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It appears....that in your anger....you said consider it a divorce...
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Do you think that Hayden could pull off lines like "Ice to see you!"?
I can totally see him rocking the 'time to kick some ICE' pun.
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Anakin, you killed younglings?
"yes, but they were all bad"
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Anakin, you killed younglings?
"yes, but they were all bad"
"Killed 'em. Bigly"
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The changes they made on the special editions were atrocious. I remember watching Empire and there were random lines changed that weren't even bad to begin with. Han slicing open the tonton to build the shelter, they changed his line.... Really? Maybe I lost my mind and it was all my imagination though.
Return of the Jedi was the worst. The ewok song "Yub Nub" at the end completely removed, replaced with random scenes of people rejoicing on other planets, including a crowd of gungans yelling "weesa win!" When I saw that I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth. I'm not even a purist, I don't mind changes if they improve it. And the singers and dancers in jabba's palace - they took changes with that WAY too far.
Yes, Return of the Jedi was botched the worst! How Lucas took the original ghost Anakin out and replaced it with the Punk Anakin is a mockery to his own movie.. Plus the new Ewok song that replaced yub-nub was not necessary at all. The new cgi scene and the song in Jabbas palace is atrocious! In fact, there should be a deleted bonus scene where Jabba throws George Lucas to the Rancor pit just for that reason. Plus, the tentacles and pods were a cheesy addition to the Sarlac in the desert.
South park did a funny episode where George Lucas was raping Star Wars, and Indiana Jones.lol!
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That updated cgi scene in Jabbas palace with the singing and dancing just looks unbelievably out of place.
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The worst part about him going back and changing things is that he seemed like he couldn't even make up his mind. Like not only do the changes add little to nothing to the movies, but with things like the scream when Luke falls down the pit in cloud city or Han shot first thing, we changed it...and then changed it back...almost like he just has a problem with leaving things alone.
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I generally don't have problems with the changes to ANH and Empire. Obi Wan's introduction in the blu-ray version is a tragedy though! When he scares the sand people, he sounds like a drunken wreck :facepalm:. I'ts so bad.
Return of the Jedi got the short end of the stick with the special editions. I actually like the new victory celebration song, better than Yub Nub. But everything from Jabba's palace, to Vader shouting NOO when he kill's the Emperor is just so wrong!
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Disney announced yesterday that Star Wars Land at both Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida and Disneyland Park in California will be built by 2019!!
I figured this would be the timetable for the completion of these new areas since the last Star Wars saga film is to be released in 2019. As a big Disney fan, I'm not nervous at all. Cars Land at Disney California Adventure is a testament on how the Disney Imagineers treat licensed products in the theme parks. The theming and attention to detail in every Disney park i've been too is incredible. I have no doubt that Star Wars Land, when it opens, it going to be one of a kind.
Construction began around last summer in both resorts. Disney's Hollywood Studios is actually having the task of building TWO new themed areas at the same time, one which is Star Wars Land and the other is Toy Story Land.
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Disney announced yesterday that Star Wars Land at both Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida and Disneyland Park in California will be built by 2019!!
I figured this would be the timetable for the completion of these new areas since the last Star Wars saga film is to be released in 2019. As a big Disney fan, I'm not nervous at all. Cars Land at Disney California Adventure is a testament on how the Disney Imagineers treat licensed products in the theme parks. The theming and attention to detail in every Disney park i've been too is incredible. I have no doubt that Star Wars Land, when it opens, it going to be one of a kind.
Construction began around last summer in both resorts. Disney's Hollywood Studios is actually having the task of building TWO new themed areas at the same time, one which is Star Wars Land and the other is Toy Story Land.
I was just thinking earlier when I read the announcement: "I remember seeing the construction when I was there in December, which I could see from just a few feet from where I met Accelerando." :D
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I'm guessing that we'll get a teaser for The Last Jedi in March and then a full blown 3 minute trailer on May 4th.
Principal Photography wrapped about a year ago now didn't it ?
And I heard today that someone - don't recall who - maybe the head of Disney - had seen the whole film in a rough cut.
So a Trailer can't be too far away.
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Sounds about right.
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I guess it'll be attached to Guardians, since that's released May 4th (if you count Thursday releases).
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With it being Star Wars - they can put out a teaser in March and people will obsess over it for 2 months and Red Letter Media will put out more content satirising the reactions etc. :biggrin:
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Disney announced yesterday that Star Wars Land at both Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida and Disneyland Park in California will be built by 2019!!
I figured this would be the timetable for the completion of these new areas since the last Star Wars saga film is to be released in 2019. As a big Disney fan, I'm not nervous at all. Cars Land at Disney California Adventure is a testament on how the Disney Imagineers treat licensed products in the theme parks. The theming and attention to detail in every Disney park i've been too is incredible. I have no doubt that Star Wars Land, when it opens, it going to be one of a kind.
Construction began around last summer in both resorts. Disney's Hollywood Studios is actually having the task of building TWO new themed areas at the same time, one which is Star Wars Land and the other is Toy Story Land.
I was just thinking earlier when I read the announcement: "I remember seeing the construction when I was there in December, which I could see from just a few feet from where I met Accelerando." :D
:tup :tup :tup
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What do you guys make of Rogue One's Box Office? Gone over the Billion mark Worldwide, but unlikely to take much more now. It's taken roughly half of what 'The Force Awakens' took and it's also taken less then the last Transformers movie, Pirates : On Stranger Tides and Iron Man 3 which is very surprising, isn't it? It's a strange one as it's taken a Billion and is currently the 21st biggest movie ever, but yet I can't help feel it's under performed. And it's not like it got a critical panning either.
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It's not a "main" Star Wars movie. It's one of 3 spin offs.
$1bn is still huge considering it's budget.
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It's not comparable to a movie sequel like those listed, despite being in the Star Wars franchise. Cracking a billion is quite a feat no matter how you look at it.
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Rogue One was pretty much guaranteed $1bn in this day and age.
The Last Jedi will probably make more as it's a Skywalker saga and the sequel to The Force Awakens.
After that I expect to see them slowly drop off.
Episode 9 will probably crack $1bn but I don't expect Han Solo to make it. It's a Star Wars film but maybe a bit niche.
Especially considering it'e being written & directed by Lord & Miller who made The Lego Movie, 51 Jump Street and Cloudy with a Chance Of Meatballs ( the first one ).
Their style is very frenetic and zany.
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It's not a "main" Star Wars movie. It's one of 3 spin offs.
$1bn is still huge considering it's budget.
True. But we live in a world where Jurassic World took 1.7 Million. The 'Jurassic' franchise was in decline at the turn of the millennium and part of it's early success was based on technology (like Avatar) when the dinosaur on screen in 1993 were jaw dropping, fast forward to now and those effects are par for the course for any effect laden CGI blockbuster. Star Wars is the biggest movie franchise of all time and regardless of whether Rogue One was a spin off or not it still carried the Star Wars brand and tells a Star Wars story. To only just creep over 1 Billlion (as silly as it sounds) has got to be a little underwhelming, no?
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Probably because it featured none of the classic cast except for a few scenes with vader.
I'd wager that without any Vader at all - it would not have got $1bn.
People just wanted to see that final scene with Vader being a sith master.
The film up til the final skirmish was kinda bland really.
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It's not a "main" Star Wars movie. It's one of 3 spin offs.
$1bn is still huge considering it's budget.
True. But we live in a world where Jurassic World took 1.7 Million. The 'Jurassic' franchise was in decline at the turn of the millennium and part of it's early success was based on technology (like Avatar) when the dinosaur on screen in 1993 were jaw dropping, fast forward to now and those effects are par for the course for any effect laden CGI blockbuster. Star Wars is the biggest movie franchise of all time and regardless of whether Rogue One was a spin off or not it still carried the Star Wars brand and tells a Star Wars story. To only just creep over 1 Billlion (as silly as it sounds) has got to be a little underwhelming, no?
Don't agree at all. As I've pointed out before, most franchise films and especially Episode VII are continuations of the main storyline of each series, with a big element of mystery and what happens next (arguably less so for Jurassic World, but that also had plenty of family fun). Rogue One is a story which everyone already knows the ending of, so it has much less draw towards having to see it in theatres. It was also clearly going to be more serious from the outset (or "darker", if you like) and so won't have had the same family fun pull factor. It's actually a very niche film, and so to achieve $1bn just shows the strength of the Star Wars brand/franchise.
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I honestly can't believe you can a Star Wars movie being niche, well maybe if it was a touring film about the Cantina band :)
As for the knowing the ending, well a fair few people I spoke to were surprised by it. Also knowing the ending didn't really effect Titanic's BO!
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I honestly can't believe you can a Star Wars movie being niche, well maybe if it was a touring film about the Cantina band :)
For the main Episodes, I entirely agree with you. But this is a spin-off, made very clear by the title (I do sometimes wonder if it might have done even better if they'd called it "Star Wars: Rogue One", rather than the other way round). Having Star Wars in the name doesn't mean it's not niche, like all the massive amount of TV shows, books and video games that are also Star Wars but are similarly niche.
As for the knowing the ending, well a fair few people I spoke to were surprised by it.
In terms of the fate of the characters, yeah that was less obvious though still quite a lot of people I think correctly guessed/assumed where it would go. But in terms of overall plot, we know they succeed because that's exactly how the original film starts.
Also knowing the ending didn't really effect Titanic's BO!
Indeed, and personally I think that film massively punched above its weight.
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It's not a "main" Star Wars movie. It's one of 3 spin offs.
$1bn is still huge considering it's budget.
True. But we live in a world where Jurassic World took 1.7 Million. The 'Jurassic' franchise was in decline at the turn of the millennium and part of it's early success was based on technology (like Avatar) when the dinosaur on screen in 1993 were jaw dropping, fast forward to now and those effects are par for the course for any effect laden CGI blockbuster. Star Wars is the biggest movie franchise of all time and regardless of whether Rogue One was a spin off or not it still carried the Star Wars brand and tells a Star Wars story. To only just creep over 1 Billlion (as silly as it sounds) has got to be a little underwhelming, no?
I think there was a really strong demand for Jurassic World, though, I wouldn't try to diminish it. All the kids that saw the original when they were young and have now grown up have been dying for a GOOD followup, and Jurassic World at least looked like it could deliver, even if it wasn't amazing. The original Jurassic Park was a movie that REALLY stuck with kids when it came out in 1993.
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To only just creep over 1 Billlion (as silly as it sounds) has got to be a little underwhelming, no?
No.
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$1,042,305,309.00
Is not underwhelming. it's a shit ton of money that none of us will ever see in our lifetime.
One Billion, forty two million, three hundred and nine dollars.
It's One thousand dollars multiplied by one thousand a thousand times.
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One Billion, forty two million, three hundred and nine dollars.
It's One thousand dollars multiplied by one thousand a thousand times.
Er, no it's not. :lol It's one thousand dollars multiplied by one thousand two times.
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$1,000 x 1,000 = $1m
$1m x 1,000 = $1bn
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$1,000 x 1,000 = $1m
$1m x 2 = $2m
$1,000 to the power of 2 is $1bn but that's not what I meant. :p
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Could you imagine Star Wars meets Jurassic World, The Degoba system with dinosaurs. Luke Skywalker decapitates a velociraptor with a lightsaber. Kylo Ren tries to use the force to slow down a T-rex but it doesn't work, etc. Minoch interbreed with pterodactyls, mass hysteria!
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STAR WARS
THE T REX AWAKENS
...Too busy were you with wondering whether awaken t rex you can
Never stop to wonder whether awaken t rex...you should...
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$1,000 x 1,000 = $1m
$1m x 1,000 = $1bn
Yes, but that's not what you said. :P
Sorry, I'm both a pedant and a geek.
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STAR WARS
THE T REX AWAKENS
...Too busy were you with wondering whether awaken t rex you can
Never stop to wonder whether awaken t rex...you should...
Clever! Yoda Meets Malcolm.. :corn
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Just had a thought...
The Han Solo movie that's coming next year... There's bound to be a mention of the Kessel Run in it...Wonder if they'll try to reverse engineer how it makes sense being a unit of distance not time.
" This ship can do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs ! "
" What's a Parsec ? "
"......I dunno....."
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I wouldn't be surprised if the kessel run is a major plot point. I would rather them not, but these prequel movies are almost always based on giving answers to questions that really didn't need answering.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the kessel run is a major plot point. I would rather them not, but these prequel movies are almost always based on giving answers to questions that really didn't need answering.
Yes like all 3 prequels ;D
But it's Lord & Miller so it'll be a lot more fun than Rogue One. Lego Movie and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs are both hilarious.
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Yeah, I'd be kind of surprised if it WASN'T a plot point. Meet Chewie, get Millennium Falcon from Lando, Kessel Run... those seem like the major things to be covered.
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Some terrible wink wink joke about shooting first...
If unpronounceable actor wasn't playing Han - who would you have chosen ?
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If unpronounceable actor wasn't playing Han - who would you have chosen ?
I don't know if I can think of any great choices. If he was lesser known and hadn't done some of his other roles already, Chris Pratt maybe could've done it. But everyone would just see Chris Pratt at this point. I think you need a lesser name.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the kessel run is a major plot point. I would rather them not, but these prequel movies are almost always based on giving answers to questions that really didn't need answering.
Yes like all 3 prequels ;D
But it's Lord & Miller so it'll be a lot more fun than Rogue One. Lego Movie and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs are both hilarious.
OK I didn't realize The Lego Movie guys were part of this. That gives me more hope, but I still think it is extremely unnecessary.
Alden Ehrenreich seems fine. Glad they didn't go with Chris Pratt, who plays Chris Pratt in everything. He would be good in an Indiana Jones reboot though.
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The one thing I really hope is that the Han Solo movie doesn't directly tie into A New Hope like Rouge One did. I could see them ending the film with Chewie and Han walking into the Mos Eisley cantina.
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The Kessel run was (in now admitedly non-canon lore) a smugler's route through a cluster of black holes. One had to keep a certain distance away from them not to be pulled in, but the more skilled the pilot the closer to the black holes he could navigate, making the kessel run shorter.
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The one thing I really hope is that the Han Solo movie doesn't directly tie into A New Hope like Rouge One did. I could see them ending the film with Chewie and Han walking into the Mos Eisley cantina.
I hope they show Han in his early dealings smuggling for Jabba the Hutt, see how they got along or what transpired. I also want to know who the hell Bantha Fodder is??!!
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I also want to know who the hell Bantha Fodder is??!!
That's not a name.
bantha fodder
fodder for a bantha
Banthas are the large horned animals shown being ridden by Tusken Raiders in the Star Wars films.
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The Kessel run was (in now admitedly non-canon lore) a smugler's route through a cluster of black holes. One had to keep a certain distance away from them not to be pulled in, but the more skilled the pilot the closer to the black holes he could navigate, making the kessel run shorter.
That's the explanation I've heard as well, and while non-canon, it does make sense. I mean, it's still a bit contrived, a way of explaining how one could make a certain trip in a certain distance rather than time, but within the rules of sci-fi, it works.
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I'm finding it difficult to drum up much enthusiasm for a Han Solo spinoff movie. Maybe that will change when we get to see the first trailer, but we'll see...
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I'm finding it difficult to drum up much enthusiasm for a Han Solo spinoff movie. Maybe that will change when we get to see the first trailer, but we'll see...
Same here. But I also just keep telling myself that I felt exactly that way about Rogue I as well before I saw the trailer, so who knows?
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I agree. I'm all for them continuing with the episodes, but I've never been too sold the idea of the stand-alones. Rogue One turned out alright, but if given the choice I would probably unmake it if it meant that they'd just stick to doing the episodes.
Also, I realized today that the guy hired to direct Episode IX is the same guy who directed Jurassic World, and now I am deeply worried.
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Also, I realized today that the guy hired to direct Episode IX is the same guy who directed Jurassic World, and now I am deeply worried.
Hmm. He also did Safety Not Guaranteed, which I enjoyed, but is not in any way similar to a Star Wars movie.
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I enjoyed Jurassic World but I get why some people didn't. But with that said, I haven't heard that many complain about his directing. Even some of the people who disliked the film thought the directing was fine and even admitted to capturing some of that Jurassic Park-magic, but had problems with the script or certain plot points. While he's not on a level of a Rian Johnson, I think he will deliver an enjoyable movie, and hopefully with a good script it will be better than Jurassic World (which I still enjoyed).
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Yeah, I think the script, more than anything else, was the issue with Jurassic World. I don't think it was a great movie by any means, but it excited me more than any Jurassic movie since the original.
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Jurassic World > Jurassic Park 2 > Jurassic Park 3
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I also hope that the color grading of Jurassic World wasn't his decision. One might think that that doesn't matter, but it plays a pretty big part in the overall tone of a movie. And with Jurassic World's orange-and-teal grading it made it all seem fake and lacking in realistic weight. In comparison, the original uses natural color grading, and it looks all the more realistic for it.
Plus the script is freakin' ridiculous, of course. And everything was CGI so a lot of it looked fake to begin with.
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I really enjoyed Jurassic World. It was an entertaining film about dinosaurs eating people.
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I liked it in the cinema. I haven't seen it since.
However - I predict that The Han Solo movie will do much less business than Rogue One.
R1 featured Vader and that was the big draw I think.
Does anyone want to see Han Solo being played by someone other than Harrison Ford ?
They'll probably put loads of wink wink stuff in the trailer to get people in like a young Greedo or Jabba etc...
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However - I predict that The Han Solo movie will do much less business than Rogue One.
R1 featured Vader and that was the big draw I think.
I think you're probably right - R1 had Vader, and it was set in familiar territory to appeal to fans of the OT. The Han Solo movie is a riskier prospect, as it's going to be recasting an iconic character. (Two, if you consider Lando to be iconic too.)
I've said it before in this thread, but this movie might end up telling a story I don't think needs to be told. There's a danger of losing a lot of the enigmatic qualities of the Han Solo character by going back and showing every little thing that happened to him, to get him to the point where he's introduced in Ep IV.
I'm happy enough knowing the Kessel Run is something that happened, and that he won the Millennium Falcon from Lando in some sort of gambling match. If those things are just touched on in this movie, as part of a bigger story, then fine, but if the whole movie is made up of bits that have already been alluded to in other movies, then it's going to fall flat for me..
Does anyone want to see Han Solo being played by someone other than Harrison Ford ?
Not particularly, but I'm prepared to give this new guy a chance.
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I will definitely see the Han Solo movie, but I'm much more interested in seeing Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian than Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo, and actually I would be more interested in a Lando film than a Han Solo film.
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I will definitely see the Han Solo movie, but I'm much more interested in seeing Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian than Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo, and actually I would be more interested in a Lando film than a Han Solo film.
I agree and I think they'll be smart to market it as sci-fi buddy film more than an origin story for Han Solo.
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Didn't see it mentioned in the last posts - translations for The Last Jedi in foreign languages are popping up.
They reveal something that the neutral english form couldn't: it's plural. The Last Jedi is not one (Luke?), they're more than one (Luke, Rey and maybe more?).
So if the word Jedi had a plural form, the title would have been The last Jedis.
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Very interesting. I wonder then if it refers to Kylo and Luke or Kylo, Luke, and Rey.
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It seems that the title has been translated to German, Spanish, French, and Portuguese using the plural form of "Jedi".
Link (https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/17/14647932/star-wars-the-last-jedi-spanish-german-french-plural?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp)
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THAT WAS SO TWO POSTS AGO, ORBERT. TRY TO KEEP UP.
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I need reading comprehension. I saw what was posted before, but thought that it was still undecided.
Besides, I posted a Link, so my post is better. Always cite your sources.
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Didn't see it mentioned in the last posts - translations for The Last Jedi in foreign languages are popping up.
They reveal something that the neutral english form couldn't: it's plural. The Last Jedi is not one (Luke?), they're more than one (Luke, Rey and maybe more?).
So if the word Jedi had a plural form, the title would have been The last Jedis.
That makes sense. "Jedis" sounds weird
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Probably old, definitely bad, but I still laughed.
(https://imgur.com/3RY7LRH.jpg)
I love that look on her face. She is so effing cute.
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I've seen the picture before, but that's the first time I've seen the caption. :lol
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I bought the recent Star Wars Humble Bundle and love it! So many awesome titles to play and replay (only in the case of Rogue Squadron/The Force Unleashed and KOTOR). That said, I already had KOTOR II in my library, so does anyone want a free copy? You don't need to play the first one to get the story, and unless you have an ancient PC, pretty much all computers can run it. Awesome RPG with some fantastic lore, music and gameplay. It's obviously a bit dated but it's nothing too archaic, and in my opinion it is well beyond worth the dated visuals and slightly clunky gameplay to experience the story and great adventure.
Anyway, even if you just wanna try it, just give me a PM, all I ask for is a reach around.
No but seriously please someone take it so it's not just sitting there not being used, it's a free game. All my friends have played it or still have it so...
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Leaked release date.
https://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/star-wars-rogue-one-blu-ray-release-date-outed-ilm-recreating-tarkin-featurette-106994/
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I bought the recent Star Wars Humble Bundle and love it! So many awesome titles to play and replay (only in the case of Rogue Squadron/The Force Unleashed and KOTOR). That said, I already had KOTOR II in my library, so does anyone want a free copy? You don't need to play the first one to get the story, and unless you have an ancient PC, pretty much all computers can run it. Awesome RPG with some fantastic lore, music and gameplay. It's obviously a bit dated but it's nothing too archaic, and in my opinion it is well beyond worth the dated visuals and slightly clunky gameplay to experience the story and great adventure.
Anyway, even if you just wanna try it, just give me a PM, all I ask for is a reach around.
No but seriously please someone take it so it's not just sitting there not being used, it's a free game. All my friends have played it or still have it so...
I would take it, since I don't have it attached to my Steam account, but I've played it before and I'd rather it go to someone who hasn't.
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If you play KOTOR2, make sure you get the patch for it. I can't remember what it is called, but supposedly it fills in some holes and gaps in the original release. Thanks also for reminding me I stopped playing this game for some reason. I don't think I was too far in, but got stuck or frustrated or something.
Also, does it seem to anyone else like Woody just happened to be filming a movie in a nearby studio and crashed the picture?
(https://www.trbimg.com/img-58ac8558/turbine/la-et-hc-20170221)
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With the right hair and clothes - he could almost pass for a younger Harrison Ford.
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Except for Woody (and Chewbacca), I don't recognize anyone in that picture.
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There's that one girl from Terminator Genisys and Game Of Thrones
Black guy far right is Donald Glover ( the Martian )
I think the short haired guy far left is one of the directors and check shirt guy could be the other director.
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/writers-producers-chris-miller-and-phil-lord.jpg?w=1000&h=750&crop=1)
Directors Phil Lord and and Chris Miller
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I don't recognize anyone either, but that has always (or, mostly) been a trademark of SW casting.
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True. If it wasn't for Chewbacca, I would have had no idea what the movie even was.
The girl in the white sweater is cute.
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I recognize 5/8 of them.
Oh snap!
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True. If it wasn't for Chewbacca, I would have had no idea what the movie even was.
The girl in the white sweater is cute.
She is from Game of Thrones and Terminator Genisys.
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Never seen either of them.
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Yep, that's Danaerys.
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Yep, that's Danaerys.
Yeah she's looks totally different brunette.....
...and with clothes on.
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I love star wars and it's amazing that a single photo can get me excited for a film. That being said I don't love casting choice for Han. We'll see I guess.
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I love star wars and it's amazing that a single photo can get me excited for a film. That being said I don't love casting choice for Han. We'll see I guess.
I don't envy that actor. On one hand it's an opportunity of a lifetime.....on the other hand you're essentially replacing a role that is the very definition of ICONIC, where every fan of SW has a certain expectation of 'who' Han is....and now you're expected to 'be' him....and don't F it up.
Disney is taking a massive risk in even telling a 'young' Han Solo story. As was mentioned earlier in the thread.....do we really need to see the Kessel Run or the card game where he won the Falcon? I think it better those things left to the imagination and 'lore' of the SW world. I'm cautiously optimistic about the film but there's a chance this movie blows up in their face, there's a fine line of it being Great or Horrible. I don't think there's grey area....
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There's ALWAYS room for a grey area, whether we can subjectively envision it or not.
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It's kinda the same thing as the entire prequel trilogy. We knew, in a general sense, the backstory of Anakin Skywalker, how he was betrayed and murdered by Darth Vader (from a certain point of view), but seeing how it all happened was an opportunity for some good storytelling. Okay, that's not what we got, but the idea of filling in the blanks is not a bad idea in and of itself.
The Kessel Run could be really, really cool to see, an amazing FX spectacle, and we'll finally get the canonical explanation as to why the run itself is measured in terms of distance, not time. The game in which the Falcon changed hands could also be very cool. We imagine them playing poker or something, but we have no idea what the game was, do we? And hopefully also a random adventure or two involving Han. I personally would like to see the gig where he ended up dumping his load of Spice, which got Jabba so upset, because I'm a huge Dune fan (the books, not the movies) and always liked the Dune shout-out.
Again, it could be very cool to finally get all these details. Is it necessary? No. But for those who can't get enough Star Wars, it'll be out there, and presumably the "quality control" folks at Disney will be harder on this story than Lucas was on the prequels, and we hopefully get something good.
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The game in which the Falcon changed hands could also be very cool. We imagine them playing poker or something, but we have no idea what the game was, do we?
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sabacc
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There's ALWAYS room for a grey area, whether we can subjectively envision it or not.
yeah....you're probably right. It just seems to me that this movie is going to be Incredible or forgettable. But then again....for better or worse that's how I tend to look at things, the extreme. :lol
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It's kinda the same thing as the entire prequel trilogy. We knew, in a general sense, the backstory of Anakin Skywalker, how he was betrayed and murdered by Darth Vader (from a certain point of view), but seeing how it all happened was an opportunity for some good storytelling. Okay, that's not what we got, but the idea of filling in the blanks is not a bad idea in and of itself.
The Kessel Run could be really, really cool to see, an amazing FX spectacle, and we'll finally get the canonical explanation as to why the run itself is measured in terms of distance, not time. The game in which the Falcon changed hands could also be very cool. We imagine them playing poker or something, but we have no idea what the game was, do we? And hopefully also a random adventure or two involving Han. I personally would like to see the gig where he ended up dumping his load of Spice, which got Jabba so upset, because I'm a huge Dune fan (the books, not the movies) and always liked the Dune shout-out.
Again, it could be very cool to finally get all these details. Is it necessary? No. But for those who can't get enough Star Wars, it'll be out there, and presumably the "quality control" folks at Disney will be harder on this story than Lucas was on the prequels, and we hopefully get something good.
You make some good points.....if those 'iconic' scenarios are done in a way to where it only adds to the lore.....then sure it'd be awesome. I just worry that by this point 'we' as fans have built up such an image or expectation of Han Solo that they are facing a tough deal attempting to add to that character.
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The game in which the Falcon changed hands could also be very cool. We imagine them playing poker or something, but we have no idea what the game was, do we?
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sabacc
That had escaped me. But the article seems to go into a lot of detail, certainly more than we got in the movie.
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If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.
Unless it happened in a book since Disney took over. That counts.
Also, read that a new novel is, in a way, making the Star Wars Christmas Special canon.
lol
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lol
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If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.
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https://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-holiday-special-canon/
For those of you who haven’t endured it, the special takes place on the Wookiee home planet of Kashyyyk, where Chewbacca’s family eagerly awaits his arrival to celebrate “Life Day.” Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher all put in awkward, embarrassed appearances. Art Carney, Bea Arthur, and Jefferson Starship all stop by to say hello.
One of the key characters in the special is Lumpy, Chewbacca’s young son
Empire’s End features...a chapter set on Kashyyyk, where a young Wookiee named Lumpawaroo battles the Empire’s forces to free captives from a labor camp. After being cornered by a vicious Imperial officer, Lumpawaroo is rescued in the nick of time by his father…Chewbacca. And then the victorious father and son “sing a song of family.”
This is so awesome.
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Chewy, and his son Lumpy. Seriously?
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You had to be there. ...or maybe not.
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I vaguely remember watching the Star Wars Christmas Special on TV with my family. I hadn't seen Star Wars at the time (I was in my teenaged "if it's popular, it must suck" phase and thus anything Star Wars for years) so most of it meant very little to me anyway, and I sure as hell don't remember much about it.
So I was there, but it didn't help.
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Chewy, and his son Lumpy. Seriously?
And Bea Arthur!
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throw in Phyllis diller with bea and that's a fap fest
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Haven't had this rumor crop up in a while.
https://www.blastr.com/2017-2-24/rumor-day-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-hit-blu-ray-40th-anniversary
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Haven't had this rumor crop up in a while.
https://www.blastr.com/2017-2-24/rumor-day-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-hit-blu-ray-40th-anniversary
If It happens, I would buy it day one. Hell, I might even buy a second one, just in gratitude.
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Yeah i'm not the biggest SW fan but if Disney put out a Blu Ray of the original theatrical versions - digitally remastered - yup i'd buy it.
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Haven't had this rumor crop up in a while.
https://www.blastr.com/2017-2-24/rumor-day-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-hit-blu-ray-40th-anniversary
If It happens, I would buy it day one. Hell, I might even buy a second one, just in gratitude.
It sounds like its from a reliable source, so hopefully it happens. I really want them and it will be a day one buy for me too.
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Saw it a few days ago, but I'm pretty sure it's already been debunked again. Apparently the new scan was of the SE.
I really hope it's true, but it's the boy who cried wolf of Star Wars rumours at this point.
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Yep. I'll believe it when I'm holding a copy in my hands, and not a moment before. Anything short of that -- announcements, pre-orders, etc. -- mean nothing because any of that can change.
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I hope they release another version of it.
Where they have Hayden Christianson do VO for all of Vader's lines in the trilogy. Also I want a big dance number in Empire.
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Just download the Despecialized Editions. Full HD versions of the unaltered trilogy.
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So when did people start sticking up for the prequels ?
Was it around the same time that JJ Abrams was announced for Episode 7 ?
:angry: JJ Abrams ? Fuck it's gonna be shit - even the prequels would be better...
And now since Rogue One came out - it's the cool thing online to say Force Awakens was shit after all.
I guarantee that when Episode 8 comes out - that will be fuckin awesome and Rogue One will now be shit.
Oh internet...:lolpalm:
i'm not an expert on the difference between objective and subjective...But The Prequels are just bad films. Poorly made, edited, written, shot, acted. They are just bad films.
Never mind Star Wars.
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i'm not an expert on the difference between objective and subjective...But The Prequels are just bad films. Poorly made, edited, written, shot, acted. They are just bad films.
IF LUKE COULD FIND THAT THERE WAS STILL GOOD IN VADER, YOU CAN FIND GOOD IN THE PREQUELS!!!
...but yeah. Overall, not very good films.
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It's true that they are shot and blocked like a TV show.
It's so flat and un-dramatic. Everyone just sits around or chats in a medium shot.
Is it too much to ask for just one dutch angle at least ? :p
The falcon chase on Jakku alone shows how JJ is a better director than Lucas. It's exciting and well choreographed and is paced well.
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Yeah, as I've said before, Lucas had the bones for a really good story. He just wasn't the right guy to execute it, and the consequence is a set of movies that just fell flat and severely missed their potential.
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Also - I don't think Kathleen Kennedy was going to give JJ carte blanche on The Force Awakens.
On the prequels - Lucas just surrounded himself with sycophants.
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Of course. Don't get me started on one of my "I'm George Frickin' Lucas!" rants. :lol
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So when did people start sticking up for the prequels ?
I've always stuck up for them.
Well, Episode I was mostly rubbish.
And ok Anakin's performance in Episode II was really bad.
But otherwise I liked them just fine. Episode III I found broadly on a par with some of the OT, episode II a little below but still good overall.
Episode V remains by a long way the best of the lot.
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I find Episode II the worst. The political stuff in any of these films is impenetrable and the romance sub plot was awful.
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My current rankings
V
VII
III
IV
Rogue One
VI
II
I
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Do we HAVE TO rank everything over, and over, and over again? I mean, seriously! :censored
Rogue I
The Force Awakens
V
VI
IV
III
II
I
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Wow Rogue One better than all the others ?
I enjoyed the hell out of TFA. I found Rogue One pretty boring. But not prequel trilogy boring. Just Ehhhhh...
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Wow Rogue One better than all the others ?
I enjoyed the hell out of TFA. I found Rogue One pretty boring. But not prequel trilogy boring. Just Ehhhhh...
I loved it. Granted, I have only seen it once, so it still has "shiny new car smell," and I haven't had the chance to subconsciously dissect every little detail as I have with most of the others. So I recognize that it may slip a little bit. But I honestly don't see it slipping below the #3 spot.
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This will surprise people but I found the fan service in R1 more egregious than in TFA.
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This will surprise people but I found the fan service in R1 more egregious than in TFA.
Well, I don't think "fan service" is necessarily a bad thing, in and of itself, so that doesn't bother me. But more to the point, I'd be curious to know what specifically you are talking about. Can you point me to what you are referring to?
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The only fan service in R1 that stood out as pointless was those two guys from the cantina.
The rest made sense. Why is the movie riddled with ships from a new hope? Cause it takes place right before hand. Having all new tech wouldn't make any sense.
For TFA, it felt to me that the story was written around the fan service and it became more plot points instead of frivolous cameos.
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Well the Vader fight at the end. Yes I know i'm not a SW fan - I only went because I like sci fi... But that did nothing for me...
Also R2 and 3PO being in that one scene.
I know people have said " Well we know they were there so why not show them ? "
Because we know they were there :lol
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The only fan service in R1 that stood out as pointless was those two guys from the cantina.
I agree. This was the only one that really jumped out at me. Other stuff like the blue milk and the little "radio controlled car" imperial droid (I'm sure somebody knows the name ;)) were nice touches, but not overdone.
The scene with R2 and 3-PO was a kind of blink and you'll miss it thing, and didn't really bother me.
If they wanted to lean more heavily on fan service, they could have given Vader a lot more screen time. I'm glad they didn't, but one or two more short scenes would have been cool.
I'd like to see the deleted scene that we got a glimpse of in the trailer, where Krennic says "The power we're dealing with is immeasurable". It would be cool to find out how that whole thing played out.
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Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of scenes from the trailer that weren't in the film...Were filmed specifically for the trailer.
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Empire
New Hope
TFA
Jedi
Sith
Rogue One
Menace
Clones
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I'd put Rogue One above all the other prequels.
I haven't seen the OT in many a year so couldn't rank them.
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Empire
TFA and Rogue one
ANH
Jedi
Sith
menace
Clones
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Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
But I assume you guys don't want chronological order.
Empire
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the clones
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This isn't a diss...
Just wondering. All you people putting R1 above TFA and the OT...
What is it about R1 that everyone loves ? A gritty SW film ? A prequel that doesn't suck ? That Vader scene ?
Not complaining - I just found it boring and forgettable and have no desire to see it again.
I went to see TFA twice as it was so fun and engaging.
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This isn't a diss...
Just wondering. All you people putting R1 above TFA and the OT...
What is it about R1 that everyone loves ? A gritty SW film ? A prequel that doesn't suck ? That Vader scene ?
Not complaining - I just found it boring and forgettable and have no desire to see it again.
I went to see TFA twice as it was so fun and engaging.
Well, I can't speak for the people that put R1 above any of the OT movies, but for as to why I put it above TFA....
It was mostly because I enjoyed it more. TFA was a lot more fun and it has much better characters, which is the one major thing R1 needed, better characters. I'd put them pretty close to equal, but R1 was just better made, to me personally, and I enjoyed it more. I'm also not a big SW fan (much like you) so I view them all as pretty light entertainment outside of the first two movies.
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V
IV
VII
VI
R1
I-III are trash.
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The Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
A New Hope
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
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It'll probably end up something like this
4 - 6
7 - 9
Rogue One / Han Solo / Whatever
I - III
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ESB
ANH
ROTJ
R1
TFA
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Those other ones
Edit: If I absolutely had to rank the prequels it would be:
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
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I think Empire is great, but I don't worship it as a perfect masterpiece so in my mind it's definetely not impossible for any of the new trilogy to surpass it. The Force Awakens, despite its issues, isn't far behind it in my mind. So flesh out more of those great characters, a more original story, and it wouldn't surprise me if I have a new favorite Star Wars movie in the next few years.
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spinning thats a good trick
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I want to go to the the millennium falcon school
(https://cmgpbpsuperfun.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/falcon-high1.jpg)
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I love that. Pretty sure it's here somewhere earlier in the thread, but that's okay, it's good to see it again. I always liked to think that there were those who knew what was going on here with the design, and others who had no clue but rolled with it anyway, and we owe them a debt of gratitude either way for making this a reality.
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Why ?
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The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return Of The Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Revenge Of The Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones
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Ah good old rankings.
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
I'm really looking forward to The Last Jedi. I've got a feeling it could best the last two films.
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Am I the only one who thinks Revenge of the Sith is only marginally better than Attack of the Clones and that Phantom Menace is much better though still pretty bad?
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Probably not the ONLY one. I mean, honestly, they all had pretty good moments, as well as things that really dragged them down. How each of those elements hits a given person and causes them to rank the films can legitimately go any number of ways, IMO.
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Why ?
For making it a reality.
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Am I the only one who thinks Revenge of the Sith is only marginally better than Attack of the Clones and that Phantom Menace is much better though still pretty bad?
I was with you for the first part, but TPM is by far the worst imo.
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It's a terrible movie. But it had some good stuff going for it. It made the most use of practical sets of the prequel trilogy. Liam Neeson was actually good. The big fight scene was great, not just the fighting, but all of the tension within it.
I honestly can't think of anything good about the other two movies other than Natalie Portman being nice to look at.
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I enjoyed I-III when I saw them in the theater. When I saw them later on at home on DVD, I could barely make it through I, while II and III still brought some enjoyment. Years from now, I could see myself popping in II or III for some fun, but can't imagine watching I again.
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Liam Neeson was actually good. The big fight scene was great, not just the fighting, but all of the tension within it.
I honestly can't think of anything good about the other two movies other than Natalie Portman being nice to look at.
I think Liam Neeson was the best thing about TPM - he totally sold the character of Qui Gon. The fight scene with Darth Maul was really good, maybe one of the best of all the movies, and the Duel Of The Fates soundtrack was excellent, but I think Darth Maul was criminally underused. Could they not have had him escape TPM, and finish him off in AOTC instead? A scene where Obi Wan comes up against him again in AOTC to settle the score may have been cool.
There's a couple of other scenes I can think of in any of the other prequels that had any sort of tension, and both were in III.
- The scene where Anakin and Palpatine were at the theatre, and Palpy starts to tell Anakin about the dark side of the Force. I thought that scene had some depth to it, as you started to see the emotional manipulation of Palpy.
- The duel between Obi Wan and Anakin, was pretty good, but I think I would have felt more for Anakin if he wasn't portrayed as a whiny petulant teenager up until that point. I think this would have worked better if A was a character that we liked right from the start, but got to see his fall from grace over time, due to Palpy's constant whisperings in his ear.
I'm not going to argue about Natalie Portman.. :biggrin:
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My rankings:
Empire
New Hope
Jedi
Rogue One
Force Awakens
Sith
Phantom
Clones
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FINE IF I MUST
V: Empire
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VI: Jedi
VII: Force Awakens
Rogue One
III: Sith
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IV: A New Hope
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II: Clones
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I: Phantom Menace
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Hey Rich - why do you prefer Sith to Hope ?
:) Just curious is all.
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For its time, Hope was obviously mindblowing, hugely influential and would be right up there at the top of the pack. But watching the films now, I just enjoy it slightly less. Which, really, is the only way we can judge these things. :lol
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While I respect A New Hope as a classic, it is dated, and honestly it's a bit slow.
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I haven't contributed to this thread at all, but...
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Empire Strikes Back
Sith
Clones
Rogue One
Phantom Menace
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I guess I'm in the minority to rank Force Awakens so highly, but I really thought it brought justice to the original trilogy. And I've always been a huge sucker for the first one (my only tattoo is of the death star, c'mon!). And I'm also in the minority that I didn't enjoy Rogue One all that much. I dunno, I only saw it once. I'm sure I'll see it once released on video and maybe I won't dislike it so much.
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I'll give these rankings a try, don't think I've ever ranked the SW films before...
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
...
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
...
Rogue One
...
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Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
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The only one I can't sit through is Clones. Between the blue screen madness and off the wall romance scenes, I just can't do it. Menace has issues, but I can actually physically sit through it (and the more practical sets and the liam neeson definitely helps)
Sith I actually enjoy most of it, despite its flaws. Chalk it up as a guilty pleasure I guess.
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Sith I actually enjoy most of it, despite its flaws.
Yea, really the only watchable from that trilogy. I enjoyed all three when they were first released, but it's really hard to go back and watch them as I got older and realized just how bad of movies they were.
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I'll give these rankings a try, don't think I've ever ranked the SW films before...
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
...
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
...
Rogue One
...
...
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
I think I might be the only one with you that likes Return of the Jedi the best.
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Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
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Rogue One
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Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
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I like some of the parts of TPM without Jar-Jar. Liam Neeson isn't bad, and the parts with Darth Maul are pretty cool. I even like the pod race, but I don't like anything else with young Anakin.
The other two films in the Prequel trilogy are fairly dreadful. I like the scenes with Dooku, and that's about it. Not crazy about CGI Yoda.
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Sith was the best of the second trilogy, but I still wasn't that big of a fan.
I just found watching episodes 1-3 that I was trying hard to like them instead of liking them naturally, like episodes 4-6. I'm glad some people like episodes 1-3, but I just stick with the originals.
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Yeah it seems that people are now making excuses for the PT and anyone who doesn't like them is " jumping on a bandwagon "...
But hey - like I said before - as soon as The Last Jedi comes out - then it will be the greatest thing ever and Rogue One will now "suck ass lol"...
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I don't know, reception to Rogue One definitely felt mixed. I was disappointed overall because even though it was a Star Wars movie and had things on paper that I like, there just weren't any good characters for me to really bond with. The ending would have been emotional had I cared about any of the characters at that point, but I didn't, so it was just kinda there.
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I don't know, reception to Rogue One definitely felt mixed. I was disappointed overall because even though it was a Star Wars movie and had things on paper that I like, there just weren't any good characters for me to really bond with. The ending would have been emotional had I cared about any of the characters at that point, but I didn't, so it was just kinda there.
I've seen mostly positive reception for it and "best SW ever" and above Force Awakens in rankings and one or two of the OT also.
but that's probably just coz it has Vader in.......
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I don't know, reception to Rogue One definitely felt mixed. I was disappointed overall because even though it was a Star Wars movie and had things on paper that I like, there just weren't any good characters for me to really bond with. The ending would have been emotional had I cared about any of the characters at that point, but I didn't, so it was just kinda there.
I've seen mostly positive reception for it and "best SW ever" and above Force Awakens in rankings and one or two of the OT also.
but that's probably just coz it has Vader in.......
No, it's not. It's because people genuinely thought it was a great movie. ROTS also had Vader in it, and it still sucked ass.
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Vader was in ROTS for like 5 seconds and all he did was comically go NOOOOOOOooooooo :lol
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I don't know, reception to Rogue One definitely felt mixed. I was disappointed overall because even though it was a Star Wars movie and had things on paper that I like, there just weren't any good characters for me to really bond with. The ending would have been emotional had I cared about any of the characters at that point, but I didn't, so it was just kinda there.
I wasn't disappointed in Rogue One, but I'm quite certain at this juncture that I liked The Force Awakens a lot more, mainly because of the characters.
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I don't know, reception to Rogue One definitely felt mixed. I was disappointed overall because even though it was a Star Wars movie and had things on paper that I like, there just weren't any good characters for me to really bond with. The ending would have been emotional had I cared about any of the characters at that point, but I didn't, so it was just kinda there.
I wasn't disappointed in Rogue One, but I'm quite certain at this juncture that I liked The Force Awakens a lot more, mainly because of the characters.
My biggest problem with Rogue One was also the characters. They seem random and very little depth to them so just like you, at the end, I just didn't care about their fate. The story is good and the end is pretty awesome, but it's hard for me to rank it higher than most of the other SW movies because of the characters.
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We knew going into Rogue One that it was a one-off deal. Other than Darth Vader, CGI Tarkin, and maybe a few others, any character would be introduced and then ultimately die because we already know that they're not around in Episode IV.
But we all knew that, including the guys making the film. I think they would have done better with fewer characters, allowing us more backstory and/or character development for each. The more invested we are in the characters, the more impact it has when they ultimately meet their fate. When Whatsername and Whatsisname are sitting on the beach at the end waiting to die, I thought it was well-done, except I wished I cared more about the characters. I've seen the movie twice, and honestly right now I can't think of either of their names. I found myself watching the movie and thinking about how well they've connected things to the events of Episode IV more than I did about the characters.
Rule #1 in storytelling: You have to at least care about the characters. Since I didn't really care about them, there was no impact, thus the movie failed. That's a gross oversimplification, but that's what it comes down to for me.
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Rule #1 in storytelling: You have to at least care about the characters. Since I didn't really care about them, there was no impact, thus the movie failed. That's a gross oversimplification, but that's what it comes down to for me.
Yep. They were all so cardboard and emotionless.
Rey, Finn, Poe...All so charismatic and engaging.
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Vader was in ROTS for like 5 seconds and all he did was comically go NOOOOOOOooooooo :lol
Ugh, just had a flashback of the last time I watched Return of the Jedi. Unless it was my imagination, they used the same (or very similar) "NOOOO" sound clip as Vader throws the emperor over the handrails. At least in the Blu-ray version. WHY????!!!
I shouldn't be surprised. They also got rid of the Ewok song "yub nub" and showed clips of various planets rejoicing, including a large crowd of gungans screaming "weesa win!"
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Vader was in ROTS for like 5 seconds and all he did was comically go NOOOOOOOooooooo :lol
Ugh, just had a flashback of the last time I watched Return of the Jedi. Unless it was my imagination, they used the same (or very similar) "NOOOO" sound clip as Vader throws the emperor over the handrails. At least in the Blu-ray version. WHY????!!!
I shouldn't be surprised. They also got rid of the Ewok song "yub nub" and showed clips of various planets rejoicing, including a large crowd of gungans screaming "weesa win!"
Why indeed? Just one of the many unnecessary changes in the Special Editions. But there's now been so many tweaks, it's hard to know which of the Special Editions is the special-est. :)
I thought the characters in Rogue One were ok - definitely no worse than TFA. I found myself caring about Jyn and Cassian, and even K2-SO when he met a heroic end. Maybe with Baze, Chirrut and Bodhi there were just too many extra heroes to compete for your attention.
Perhaps Baze and Chirrut could have been combined into one character and Bodhi's character fleshed out a little more. It would have been nice to see what drove him to defect from the Empire in the first place..
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Bodhi was probably my favorite, maybe a bit because I really like Riz Ahmed as an actor.
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Regarding ROTJ, the new victory celebration song is the only Special Edition change that i love. I could have done without gungans shouting "weesa Free", but the song is so much better than Yub Nub!
I also liked R1, but i think the main cast was way too big. Movie only needed Jyn, Cassian and K2. I think the movie would have been better, if they had focused only on those three.
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I liked the original victory song because at some point I noticed that it's actually the same song from the movie "Caveman" starring Ringo Starr and Dennis Quaid. Pretty sure.
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My favourite bit of the victory celebration was the Ewok playing drums on the storm trooper helmets. :lol
I can't remember if this part survived the special editions or not. It's been a while since I last watched it.
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I liked the original victory song because at some point I noticed that it's actually the same song from the movie "Caveman" starring Ringo Starr and Dennis Quaid. Pretty sure.
For your consideration:
Song from "Caveman" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpygx9BRYE)
(Original) Song from "Return of the Jedi" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYkk-X6F_8o)
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My favourite bit of the victory celebration was the Ewok playing drums on the storm trooper helmets. :lol
As a kid I looked forward to that part every damn time.
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They need to do a new holiday special that is a crossover with Alien, and have Ridley Scott direct it.
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I'll give these rankings a try, don't think I've ever ranked the SW films before...
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
...
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
...
Rogue One
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Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
I think I might be the only one with you that likes Return of the Jedi the best.
My fave also. This ranking pretty much mirrors mine except TESB would be #2.
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I havent seen the OT for a long time but based solely on memory...
Empire
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Jedi
Rogue One
Sith
Menace
Clones
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I havent seen the OT for a long time but based solely on memory...
Empire
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Jedi
Rogue One
Sith
Menace
Clones
This would be my order as well I think.
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I havent seen the OT for a long time but based solely on memory...
Empire
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Jedi
Rogue One
Sith
Menace
Clones
This would be my order as well I think.
It was my first order :neverusethis:
pray I don't alter it further :neverusethis:
this is the ranking you are ok i'll stop now.
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The ‘Rogue One’ Darth Vader Ending Was a Last-Minute Addition (https://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-ones-darth-vader-ending/)
Nice little story. Pretty crazy that it was added that late in the process.
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I'm glad they added it, because otherwise Vader's other scenes would have felt like fan service, and it helped stack the odds against the rebellion and make the situation look more desperate. There are other scenes that apparently also went through major changes in reshoots that I'm curious about, but I think they got it right.
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I'm glad they added it, because otherwise Vader's other scenes would have felt like fan service, and it helped stack the odds against the rebellion and make the situation look more desperate. There are other scenes that apparently also went through major changes in reshoots that I'm curious about, but I think they got it right.
My only issue with it is that there weren't about three more scenes just like it. Vadar just devastating legions of rebels.
That scene is fantastic.
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It was very cool, but you also want to be careful not to overexpose Vader and turn it into his movie. It's a side movie, so it's not supposed to be his story. I think they got the balance right.
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I agree. I hope they don't manage to work him into the Han Solo movie though.
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I don't think they'll include Vader in the Han Solo movie. There's no need for it, and there are plenty of other OT characters they can include much more naturally, such as Jabba and Greedo.
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I don't think they'll include Vader in the Han Solo movie. There's no need for it, and there are plenty of other OT characters they can include much more naturally, such as Jabba and Greedo.
I think every "prequel" movie going forward needs a random cameo from those cantina criminals. Let them be the glue of the stand alone films.
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I don't think they'll include Vader in the Han Solo movie. There's no need for it, and there are plenty of other OT characters they can include much more naturally, such as Jabba and Greedo.
I think every "prequel" movie going forward needs a random cameo from those cantina criminals. Let them be the glue of the stand alone films.
All part of a new Star Wars expanded universe movies series, where eventually the two dudes will get their own prequel where we see them acquire all 12 of their death sentences.
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I don't think they'll include Vader in the Han Solo movie. There's no need for it, and there are plenty of other OT characters they can include much more naturally, such as Jabba and Greedo.
I think every "prequel" movie going forward needs a random cameo from those cantina criminals. Let them be the glue of the stand alone films.
All part of a new Star Wars expanded universe movies series, where eventually the two dudes will get their own prequel where we see them acquire all 12 of their death sentences.
Wanna meet up tomorrow and start writing the basic treatment?
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I'm actually busy tomorrow writing the spinoff Salacious B. Crumb / Max Rebo buddy cop comedy.
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I'm actually busy tomorrow writing the spinoff Salacious B. Crumb / Max Rebo buddy cop comedy.
Waste of time.
"The Comedic and Contentious Calamities of the Crazy Cantina Criminals" is the way to go.
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It was very cool, but you also want to be careful not to overexpose Vader and turn it into his movie. It's a side movie, so it's not supposed to be his story. I think they got the balance right.
I was more or less joking.....your point is right on. It was just such a cool scene.
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I just want to add my bit about the prequels, I'd probably rank them as follows:
The Phantom Menace
The Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Now I know TPM gets a lot of flack but I prefer it over the other two prequels (especially AotC, which I'll get to). I was about 16 when I saw TPM on release and was already a massive SW fanboy. I didn't hate it as much as some but definitely saw it's flaws and that it was inferior to the OT. The thing I like about TPM though is that it is pretty bad but it has more redeeming features than the other two, IMO.
So yea Jar Jar sucked etc, etc. I like Ewan Mcgregor as an actor but I can't stand his portrayal of Obi-Wan, especially in TPM. But I love Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn, I thought Jake Lloyd was a better actor at 10 than Hayden Christensen was in AotC. I loved the whole podracer scenes. I thought Darth Maul was a great villain and finally the score in TPM is easily my favourite since the OT (and that includes TFA and R1). So yea, I really like some parts of TPM. AotC however is atrocious as far as I am concerned. For me there are literally no redeeming features, I hated Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin, the plot was lame, I didn't like Dooku as a villain, I hated the whole end to the film, Yoda prancing about like a Gummie Bear. Yea, I really hate that film. RotS is better but still is ultimately quite forgettable for me. I've probably watched RotS least out of the prequel trilogy to be fair (only twice I think) and AotC maybe 3-4 times.
Anyway that's my two cents on TPM, it doesn't reach the heights of the OT but I enjoy it a fair bit. And that score.....goosebumps!!!
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If for nothing else, I will give props to TPM because of the practical sets. That makes such a night and day difference.
Also, there feels like there was actual effort put in to TPM. Sure it was a huge swing and a miss, but I feel like an attempt was made, where as clones felt so phoned in, especially when you are in an entire blue room, with blue floors, walls and ceiling and you tell your lone actor who is standing there by themselves to "pretend there's lots of cool, intense stuff going on". That is so weak, lame and lazy.
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When I think of Attack of the Clones, the only thing I can recall liking was Obi-Wan's visit to the clone world and his fight with (some dude's character that I can't recall right now).
I don't remember liking any bits from the other two movies. I've literally only watched each one once.
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The prequels were vastly improved in my eyes by watching the Clone Wars series which in many ways was superior to the films. The extra character development actually made you care about them. Even the Jar Jar based episodes weren't terrible.
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The prequels were vastly improved in my eyes by watching the Clone Wars series which in many ways was superior to the films. The extra character development actually made you care about them. Even the Jar Jar based episodes weren't terrible.
Yeah, I agree. And with all of them, I couldn't even say they are bad the first time through. I mean, as said, they are obviously inferior to the OT and have obvious problems. But I still recall for each one, despite the flaws, the feeling of awe seeing the story unfold while not yet being too distracted by most of the bad stuff. And although I guess it has been de-canonized now, I appreciated the fanboy nods to Dark Forces in II and III as well.
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Who here has the Thrawn book by Zahn on pre-order? :metal
p.s. not movies and TV, but obviously the books are an extension. hopefully this is the proper place for it...
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I have never read a single Star Wars book. Not because I wouldn't enjoy them. But I never really followed early on. And then there were so many different stories and storylines that I felt kind of lost. So I never jumped in.
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The prequels were vastly improved in my eyes by watching the Clone Wars series which in many ways was superior to the films. The extra character development actually made you care about them. Even the Jar Jar based episodes weren't terrible.
I tried to watch Clone Wars, but couldn't get through it. Just wasn't big on the artistic direction and format of (at least) season 1 and 2. But in essence, I agree. Tons of interesting stuff in the prequel galaxy - just poorly executed by the three main films.
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I have never read a single Star Wars book. Not because I wouldn't enjoy them. But I never really followed early on. And then there were so many different stories and storylines that I felt kind of lost. So I never jumped in.
you wouldn't feel that way on this one. It is re-introducing the character for the first time in the new canon. So if you have interest, this book is a good starting point.
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There was a member of this board who was a huge Thrawn fan. SEAN WHERE ARE YOU??
I haven't read any SW books either. No particular reason. Too many other good books to read I guess.
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I went through a phase of reading loads of Star Wars books when I was about 16/17. I have the Thrawn trilogy at home but I don't think I ever read the third book. I remember loving I, Jedi and I also re-read Shadows of the Empire about a year ago. There was just so much in the Expanded Universe. I just used to read whatever I could get my hands on in second hand book shops, I read probably 10-12 books but it in a really disjointed fashion.
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I love Thrawn. Cold, calculating, strategic and using his logic and reason to be victorious. Probably one of my top 5 favorite characters from SW and a fantastic villain.
I haven't read a SW book in a long, long time, but when I was younger I read the Heir to the Empire trilogy and loved it. I also read Shadows of the empire as well a played the game and loved that too.
And while I am discussing Expanded Universe, I just wanted to say that I really love Mara Jade. Red hair, purple lightsaber, tough and strong in a Ripley/Sarah Connor kind of way. Just fantastic.
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So do we all think that Snoke is going to turn out to be a tiny dude in Episode 8 or 9 ?
I'm assuming they'll reveal him in Episode 8 if he's going to be the big bad for the trilogy.
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I could see episode 8 ending with a battle between Snoke and Luke with Luke dying, setting the stage for Rey to face Snoke in episode 9.
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Pretty sure they officially announced that Snoke is actually like 8 feet or whatever tall a while ago.
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Granted I only saw TFA the one time but Snoke left absolutely no impact on me as a villain. Is he supposed to be the new Palpatine? I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to discuss him.
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I don't think he's gonna be 30 ft tall and I really hope he's not Anakin's Force Ghost gone bad.
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This character is much better executed as a CGI character. That’s just a practical reality when he’s 7-foot-something tall; he’s very, very thin.
https://people.com/movies/star-wars-the-force-awakens-adam-driver-gwendoline-christie-star/
There, can we stop trying to figure out if Snoke is tiny or not?
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Granted I only saw TFA the one time but Snoke left absolutely no impact on me as a villain. Is he supposed to be the new Palpatine? I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to discuss him.
True, but Palpatine had almost no role until the third movie, so I could easily see them doing that sort of thing again.
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Granted I only saw TFA the one time but Snoke left absolutely no impact on me as a villain. Is he supposed to be the new Palpatine? I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to discuss him.
Sure, but how much of a role did Palpatine have before Return of the Jedi?
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Ha anyone seen the "The Clone Wars" movie ? How is it compared to the other 3 prequels ?
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Granted I only saw TFA the one time but Snoke left absolutely no impact on me as a villain. Is he supposed to be the new Palpatine? I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to discuss him.
Sure, but how much of a role did Palpatine have before Return of the Jedi?
He's not even mentioned in ANH, so Snoke is already ahead in that regard. With so much to cover in two hours, they couldn't go into detail for everything, and it wasn't necessary. They know they have multiple movies to flesh it all out, so often it's better to leave some mystery.
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Ha anyone seen the "The Clone Wars" movie ? How is it compared to the other 3 prequels ?
I would say it is at least better than I and II. It is "good," but a bit cheesy. I would say its best attribute is that it sets the stage for the animated Clone Wars series, which, once it gets going, is actually quite good.
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Agree with the above statement. Feels more like a cartoon for kids (which it is of course) so it can get a bit silly in that way.
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^Yeah, exactly. It does have that tone to it. And the series does as well, although it feels like it does a good job of balancing that with a slightly more mature edge as it gets a few episodes in, kind of like the Batman animated series in the '90s. So, yeah, it definitely has that "made for kids" feel to it, but still has a broader audience appeal in spite of that primary focus.
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From Bob Iger about the Han Solo film:
Iger also revealed that the next film, a standalone project on Han Solo, will follow his life from the age of 18 through 24. The film will including “acquiring a certain vehicle and meeting a certain Wookie,” he said. “You’ll also discover how he got his name.”
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I assume he means how Chewie got his name ?
Or is Han Solo a nickname ?
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From Bob Iger about the Han Solo film:
Iger also revealed that the next film, a standalone project on Han Solo, will follow his life from the age of 18 through 24. The film will including “acquiring a certain vehicle and meeting a certain Wookie,” he said. “You’ll also discover how he got his name.”
A representative from Disney went on to say that "the ONLY 'official' information that has/will be posted so far is what is posted on Official Disney Social Media. Several people here RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT.... Iger was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake. Respect it or else..."
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:|
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Heh heh. So it's probably true, but officially it's just hearsay. Lucas always tried to keep things tight, and in general I thinks that's a perfectly valid approach. I have no issues with Disney's put the smackdown on this.
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Maybe Portnoy should go work for Disney. :laugh:
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:omg:
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I think you missed the joke Orbert. I was a Portnoy jab.
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No, I got it. MP is pretty ridiculous how he smacks down on his forums. But the thought of him going and working in Disney's PR department or something is freaky.
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(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1490394129199_zpsudxjzh2h.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1490394129199_zpsudxjzh2h.jpg.html)
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:lol
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From Bob Iger about the Han Solo film:
Iger also revealed that the next film, a standalone project on Han Solo, will follow his life from the age of 18 through 24. The film will including “acquiring a certain vehicle and meeting a certain Wookie,” he said. “You’ll also discover how he got his name.”
A representative from Disney went on to say that "the ONLY 'official' information that has/will be posted so far is what is posted on Official Disney Social Media. Several people here RAN and SPREAD the "leak" as if it was "official information" which it was NOT.... Iger was absolutely reprimanded for his irresponsible actions in doing so...he deleted the post and has apologized profusely for his mistake. Respect it or else..."
:clap:
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(https://imgur.com/kkevi7Q.jpg)
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5 stormtroopers started a band but they're yet to have a hit :neverusethis:
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Also I read on www.nme.com that Disney have Star Wars movies planned until " AT LEAST 2030 ".
That's a minimum of 10 more years.
2017 - The Last Jedi
2018 - Han Solo
2019 - Episode 9
2020 - Untitled Anthology movie.
Those are the ones we definitely know about. Then there's gonna be 10 more years of movies - probably 1 a year. I know Rogue One wasn't a Skywalker family story -
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I am very interested to see how The Last Jedi performs. I expect it to do better than Rogue One but not as god as TFA.
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- but it had Vader in and the Death Star and it didn't do anywhere near Force Awakens' box office. About Half in fact.
I am very interested to see how The Last Jedi performs. I expect it to do better than Rogue One but not as god as TFA.
So? Why is that even a concern? R1 was successful. It did over $1b in the U.S. Who cares whether it did as well as some other specific movie? Are you suggesting they shouldn't keep going if the movies don't meet some specific artificial threshold? If so, I don't get that. I mean, Marvel has been putting out multiple movies per year as part of the MCU. Yet R1 has almost doubled what the most recent MCU film (Doctor Strange) did. And Doctor Strange hasn't come close to any of the top MCU films in terms of box office numbers. By your logic, I assume Marvel should just call it quits?
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ok calm down...
I was just OBSERVING. Just wondering how Episode 8 would perform and using Rogue One as an example. Obviously I have no vested interest. I'm just curious...
Also Rogue One didn't make $1bn in the US. It made just over $1bn Worldwide.
Just saying.
Also I was just WONDERING how The Last Jedi would perform. Whether it will do $2bn like TFA or $1bn like R1.
I just find it interesting.
Sheesh.
.....Also where Did I say They should quit ?! I only remarked that they're gonna be making SW movies for the next 15 years at least......
SHEESH...
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I really, really (really, really...) hope Disney manages to keep the Star Wars universe movies from became as cookie cutter as most of the MCU movies have become.
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Just keep Zack Snyder away from them :rollin
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I really, really (really, really...) hope Disney manages to keep the Star Wars universe movies from became as cookie cutter as most of the MCU movies have become.
Actually, I've been pretty impressed with the MCU movies overall. There's a lot of them, probably too many for some, but for the most part the characters are well done and interesting, and the way they cross over into each other's movies is pretty cool.
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ok calm down...
I was just OBSERVING. Just wondering how Episode 8 would perform and using Rogue One as an example. Obviously I have no vested interest. I'm just curious...
Also Rogue One didn't make $1bn in the US. It made just over $1bn Worldwide.
Just saying.
Also I was just WONDERING how The Last Jedi would perform. Whether it will do $2bn like TFA or $1bn like R1.
I just find it interesting.
Sheesh.
.....Also where Did I say They should quit ?! I only remarked that they're gonna be making SW movies for the next 15 years at least......
SHEESH...
I was just wondering where you are going with that is all, since you seem to have gotten pretty wound up over it in the past and have implied that you somehow think R1 is a failure since it hasn't done as well in the box office as TFA.
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Not a failure....
Just that it's *interesting* that Rogue One made half of Force Awakens. not a little less. But Half.
And I'm wondering how much The Last Jedi will make compared to those two.
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Not a failure....
Just that it's *interesting* that Rogue One made half of Force Awakens. not a little less. But Half.
Okay. But, again, so what? I'm not sure why that means anything. Again, using the Marvel comparison, Doctor Strange made less than half what Avengers or Age of Ultron made, and just barely above half of what Civil War and Iron Man III made. Ant Man made even less than that. And both Guardians and The Winter Soldier were in that range as well. And yet, Marvel is slowing down or considering any of those movies a problem. Why is it a problem for Star Wars?
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:emo: I didn't say it was a problem. I just find box office interesting...
Like - why did half the people who saw Force Awakens go and see Rogue One ?
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I would guess the vast majority of the difference boils down to two things:
1. TFA being the first new Star Wars movie in a long time, hence the novelty and buzz about it.
2. R1 getting less repeat views. While I think I like R1 better, there is much more to analyze and dissect in terms of where the story is going in TFA, which encourages repeat views. With R1, as good as it is, the story is self-contained are fairly straightforward, so I didn't really feel a strong urge to shell out money for another movie ticket after seeing it the first time. I am content to wait for it on Blu Ray.
To a lesser extent, I think R1 being a self-contained story that does not have an episode number assigned to it may have kept some non-die hards away too, but I don't know. #1 and #2 above seem to explain it well enough for me that, although I have not seen any surveys proving that those are the main reasons, it would surprise me if they weren't.
I think the same can be said of the MCU movies I pointed out. I think the big ones got a lot of repeat viewings. And the other ones have lesser-known characters, so those who don't know Marvel nearly as well aren't necessarily going to buy a ticket to see a movie about characters they haven't built up a history with.
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:emo: I didn't say it was a problem. I just find box office interesting...
Like - why did half the people who saw Force Awakens go and see Rogue One ?
I think TFA benefited from multiple viewings. I know I saw it (5) times in the theater. I don't think R1 had that multiple viewer audience.
I don't see how Disney isn't anything but thrilled that R1 'only' made $1 billion. No original cast for a draw, no jedi involvement other than a Darth Vadar cameo...I'd think that if they can make $750 million - $1 billion with each stand alone they would be ecstatic.
Oh and....IMO Episode 8 is going to surpass what TFA made. Especially since we know for certain that Luke will be more present. I can pretty much guarantee at least (3) viewings from me....and will probably see it more than that if it's anywhere near as good as TFA was....which if I had to bet I think it will be.
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We'll see :p it's already "cool" to destroy Force Awakens.
But that's mostly online trolls.
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We'll see :p it's already "cool" to destroy Force Awakens.
But that's mostly online trolls.
yep. There's nothing wrong with TFA. IMO it was handled as well as it could have been and it's a good movie to boot.
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I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I just wish JJ put that much care and attention to detail into his Trek movies.
I saw it twice. My favourite scene was the Falcon chase on Jakku. Some really nice ariel photography ( albeit completely CG ).
It was like a Jim Cameron sequence. You saw everything that was happening in nice wide shots and not extreme close-up shaky cam like Transformers.
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I only saw it the once but I can't remember any really memorable exciting scenes from Rogue One.
( no not THAT one. Never been a Vader fan. . . )
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Less repeat views of Rogue One might have to do something with the ending of the movie (being a 'downer' and all). Don't know, just throwing it in there.
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VERY late to the party... but I finally saw Rogue One.
I just loved it! THIS is how you do a prequel, IMHO. The story works just fine, it brilliantly covers up one of the major head-scratchers of the original movie (Why the hell they made the Death Star so vulnerable?), and ties in perfectly into A New Hope.
Since none of the characters are referenced in the later films, the idea that they all may die crossed my mind during the movie, but it was kinda bleak to actually see it happen. They all went down as heroes however, their sacrifice will be remembered.
The cameos were fine for me, I was afraid about all the comments about the uncanny valley but Tarkin looked fine to me. He was essential to the plot, so he had to show up quite some times, but the Darth Vader scenes were top notch. He gets only two scenes (three if we consider one where he just appears doing nothing) and both scenes are amazing.
His welcoming of "Dude second to Tarkin" (forgot the name of the villain that oversees the Death Star construction), with his silhouette shadowing him before appearing in front of him (and while the Imperial March plays beneath) is a reintroduction of the character as iconic as it can get. And when in the final fighting scene he mows down, alone against 20 or so, the entire rebel forces is so exciting that I was essentially rooting for him, the adrenaline rush comparing to the one of a moshpit during a concert. When he force-chokes someone to the ceiling and then stabs him right there with the lightsaber, that's pure sheer badassery that reminds everyone of why he's one of the best villains of the history of cinema.
And then the final scene, with Leila appearing just to take the plans and saying that they got "hope", and it's a waste of bandwith to point out that it's a call back to the title of the first movie... coupled with the knowledge that Carrie Fisher died... that was just the perfect bittersweet way to end the movie. And I said earlier, THAT's how you do ap prequel.
Ask people the major faults of the prequel trilogy - they will criticize the dialogue, parts of the plot, the CGI work and Jar Jar Binks. For me one of the major faults is that it didn't connect well into the original movies.Watch the prequel trilogy scenes between Anakin and Obi Wan, and then watch their meeting aboard the Death Star in A New Hope... for me, personally, they don't match. At all. Even the dialogue is off, "When I left you I was but the apprentice"... dude. HE left you. For dead. To burn away on the shores of a lava lake with all your limbs chopped off. They had a point of arrival, and they missed it with the prequel trilogy. Rogue One didn't.
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TFA: Bad Lip Reading
https://youtu.be/l6Rgbe0Wzq8
Very funny.
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TFA: Bad Lip Reading
https://youtu.be/l6Rgbe0Wzq8
Very funny.
"They got a sick blouse, on sale!"
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I would like to see a Darth Vader movie where its John Wick style. Battle goes south on an enemy planet, Vader's stranded, up against 1000's. Kicks ass for 2 hours
Or it could be maul or someone else. But I could dig something like that.
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"They got a sick blouse, on sale!"
"Six kittens in a bag of water?" :lol
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I would like to see a Darth Vader movie where its John Wick style. Battle goes south on an enemy planet, Vader's stranded, up against 1000's. Kicks ass for 2 hours
I'm in!!! :metal
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TFA: Bad Lip Reading
https://youtu.be/l6Rgbe0Wzq8
Very funny.
Very funny, but Ren's finger puppets were kinda lame. I don't remember BLR ever working with anything but actual footage from the movie before. Or if they have, it was much more subtle than this.
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TFA: Bad Lip Reading
https://youtu.be/l6Rgbe0Wzq8
Very funny.
Very funny, but Ren's finger puppets were kinda lame. I don't remember BLR ever working with anything but actual footage from the movie before. Or if they have, it was much more subtle than this.
I'm pretty sure they've done it before. I couldn't tell you in which one, but it's not a new thing. I thought it turned out ok. I find their jokes are often a bit hit and miss, depending on what they're able to come up with to match the lips. This one mostly turned out really good.
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I would like to see a Darth Vader movie where its John Wick style. Battle goes south on an enemy planet, Vader's stranded, up against 1000's. Kicks ass for 2 hours
I'm in!!! :metal
I want to see a movie about the history of the sith and old school jedi. I could easily see this being a three movie arc that sets up TPM.
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TFA: Bad Lip Reading
https://youtu.be/l6Rgbe0Wzq8
Very funny.
Very funny, but Ren's finger puppets were kinda lame. I don't remember BLR ever working with anything but actual footage from the movie before. Or if they have, it was much more subtle than this.
I'm pretty sure they've done it before. I couldn't tell you in which one, but it's not a new thing. I thought it turned out ok. I find their jokes are often a bit hit and miss, depending on what they're able to come up with to match the lips. This one mostly turned out really good.
Oh, it was mostly really good. But the combination of the finger puppets and the fact that I just didn't find it funny brought the score down for me.
Maybe because it was such an important scene, they felt like just making light of it by turning the dialog into something funny was somehow wrong, so they went all the way in a different direction with it. Just a guess.
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My guess is that they came up with a funny bit of dialogue about finger puppets to fit with the lip sync, which required adding in the effects to make the joke work.
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How can finger puppets NOT make a scene better? I don't understand. ???
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Finally watched Rogue One over the weekend. I skipped it in the theaters due to not wanting to deal with large crowds and did my best to avoid spoilers for 4 months straight, which is impossible. So I knew of some things (like the general idea of Vader's last scene, but none of the details, or that it was a suicide mission for all of the main characters, but didn't know how characters may die).
The movie blew me away - it's probably the most bad-ass of all the Star Wars films. Or at least has the most bad-ass action sequences, especially the big battle at the end. The intensity of that whole scene was amazing - how will they succeed? We know they do, yet I was on the edge of the seat for the whole battle. The ending of the movie had me with tears in my eyes, as I sat there and watched the exact moments before the beginning of Episode IV occur. Vader just annihilating everyone in his path, with the plans just slipping through his grasp....and into Leia's. It really made me feel like a kid again.
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I agree Grappler, it was the perfect tie-in with the original trilogy that Revenge of the Sith never was.
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Finally watched Rogue One again. I was a huge critic when it came out. Hated it.
Didn't hate it the second time (bought the Blu-ray). Pretty good and will watch it again and again.
That said, I still don't personally think it stands above the "episode" movies. While I'm also a big critic of the prequels, I rank Rogue One second to last (the only one worse being The Phantom Menace). Sad thing is, Episodes II and III I can objectively stand away and say "yeah, by all means Rogue One has better acting, etc." But I'm so into the story behind Jedi, Sith, etc. that I like the story of them better than Rogue One (hell, I don't even know there's a single actor/acress in the prequels I thought did great).
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Glad to hear you're coming round to it, though I'm curious as to why you bought the Bluray? I can't imagine ever buying a Bluray/DVD of a film I hated. :lol
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Maybe he's a Star Wars completist. I've got some movies I don't care for just to complete the collection (eg Star Trek).
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Sounds like the first Last Jedi trailer will be coming in the next couple of days. :metal
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But I'm so into the story behind Jedi, Sith, etc. that I like the story of them better than Rogue One (hell, I don't even know there's a single actor/acress in the prequels I thought did great).
I had a similar feeling during the first 30 minutes of the movie. "Where's the lightsabers?"
Once the story got going, I was completely sucked in. It also helped to remember where this story takes place in the timeline - just before Episode IV. The Empire controls everything, the rebellion is there, but hasn't had the success that is to come, and the last of the Jedi remain in hiding (Yoda, Obi-Wan).
It's a war movie that is set in the Star Wars universe. It's not about Siths or Jedi. I think that's pretty cool that they can make a different type of movie and drop it into the existing universe.
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That's what I liked about it. "A Star Wars Story" is exactly what it is, but it's not about the Sith or the Jedi; it's a look at the Rebellion and the lives the "regular" people lived, and why the war came about in the first place.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
That, and it also gave us a much deeper look at the empire than just Palatine and Vader as well, which gave the empire added depth and realism.
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Also the spaceships and planets looked amazing in this movie! The explosions are great too, lol.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
That, and it also gave us a much deeper look at the empire than just Palatine and Vader as well, which gave the empire added depth and realism.
BINGO. I think R1 has a good likelihood of being my favorite Star Wars (but not Star Wars) movie.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
That, and it also gave us a much deeper look at the empire than just Palatine and Vader as well, which gave the empire added depth and realism.
I agree with all of that, but that doesn't make it a great movie personally. It still lacked character depth that hurt its the film when they all die and I just feel "meh whatever".
Also the spaceships and planets looked amazing in this movie! The explosions are great too, lol.
Yea, definitely. I also thought TFA looked amazing too. They did a really great job in that aspect, honestly better than any other movie I can recall recently although I hardly watch new movies anymore.
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
That, and it also gave us a much deeper look at the empire than just Palatine and Vader as well, which gave the empire added depth and realism.
I agree with all of that, but that doesn't make it a great movie personally. It still lacked character depth that hurt its the film when they all die and I just feel "meh whatever".
Well, to each their own. But I personally feel like they did a LOT more with adding character depth than pretty much any other SW film--especially given that they only had one film to set up most of these characters. I mean, sure there ended up being a lot of red shirts whose only real practical function was to die an inglorious death. But the main characters were fantastic. Jyn and Galen Erso were great as damaged tragic heroes. With their family background and all we were given about them, I'm not sure how you couldn't feel their characters lacked depth. It is maybe because her family situation was spelled out onscreen whereas Luke's, for example, was much more ambiguous in ANH and much of Empire? Then what about Cassian? He was great. The consummate spy who will do anything for the cause, but is himself damaged goods for reasons we don't know about. Heck, even Krennic is great because you can understand and sympathize with his struggles and motivations. And K-2SO is the only droid I have ever really felt anything for in the SW universe. I think the character depth was great.
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And...Honest Trailers tackles Rogue One: https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1646050/rogue-one-honest-trailer-takes-down-the-worlds-most-expensive-star-wars-fan-film :lol
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And K-2SO is the only droid I have ever really felt anything for in the SW universe. I think the character depth was great.
Completely. I felt awful watching K-2SO die, and I've never felt that before while watching a Star Wars movie. He was taking a pummeling.
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Maybe because he was the only good character surrounded by cardboard cut outs.
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Glad to hear you're coming round to it, though I'm curious as to why you bought the Bluray? I can't imagine ever buying a Bluray/DVD of a film I hated. :lol
You could call it Star Wars completism, I guess haha. As much as I complained about Rogue One, I've been really wanting to see it again - it's been months since seeing it that one time. And even the prequels I've watched numerous times, just for the story (not that the story is even that great, I guess maybe I just like the SW universe?). Heck the story of the prequels is horrible... I just like Star Wars I guess. I'm just a movie guy though, I've never read a SW book or have any knowledge of anything outside of the main movies.
And, I was pretty sure I was overly harsh and wouldn't hate it so much on another watch. I'll probably watch it once a year for a few years... To put into perspective, I think I've watched the Force Awakens at least fifteen times.
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An interview to commemorate 40 years that might interest some of you - features most of the key players in Star Wars . Stumbled onto it while reading a story on JOurney's RNRHOF induction.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/watch-harrison-ford-george-lucas-discuss-pre-star-wars-history-w476625
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I liked that it had nothing to do with Skywalkers and the Jedi and lightsaber battles. It made the Star Wars universe feel bigger and more real, and also made it more special that the main movies have that stuff. It would undermine the main movies if those elements were too common. Rogue One wasn't a movie about the exceptional few at the very top, it was a movie about the scrappy underdogs, the unsung heroes of the rebellion, giving their lives for the cause.
Completely agree. It added to the scope of whole storyline. We got to understand the universe more.
That, and it also gave us a much deeper look at the empire than just Palatine and Vader as well, which gave the empire added depth and realism.
I agree with all of that, but that doesn't make it a great movie personally. It still lacked character depth that hurt its the film when they all die and I just feel "meh whatever".
Well, to each their own. But I personally feel like they did a LOT more with adding character depth than pretty much any other SW film--especially given that they only had one film to set up most of these characters. I mean, sure there ended up being a lot of red shirts whose only real practical function was to die an inglorious death. But the main characters were fantastic. Jyn and Galen Erso were great as damaged tragic heroes. With their family background and all we were given about them, I'm not sure how you couldn't feel their characters lacked depth. It is maybe because her family situation was spelled out onscreen whereas Luke's, for example, was much more ambiguous in ANH and much of Empire? Then what about Cassian? He was great. The consummate spy who will do anything for the cause, but is himself damaged goods for reasons we don't know about. Heck, even Krennic is great because you can understand and sympathize with his struggles and motivations. And K-2SO is the only droid I have ever really felt anything for in the SW universe. I think the character depth was great.
I agree.
In fact, I think when people say depth, they really mean charisma, fun and likability.
Rey had no depth. She's a chick on a desert planet who wants to go do stuff. That's about it.
Poe? Same thing, just a cocky pilot.
Finn and Caspien had similar levels of depth as well.
The difference is that Rey, Finn, Poe and them oozed charisma and people loved how fun and likable they were. While the Rogue One guys were very somber and dark in comparison.
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Keep an eyeout for The Last Jedi trailer to drop tomorrow during the Episode 8 panel at Celebration in Orlando. The Panel is suppose to stream live too like they did with the 40th Anniversary panel
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Teaser trailer today and main international trailer on May 4?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Yn39GV0AAFBeI.jpg:large)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ
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The Rey / Luke scenes are looking very Luke / Yoda as expected, and the space battles and vehicles looked really cool.
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Pretty cool.
Some of the spaceship stuff had that grainy CG that a lot of CG ships have now. I can't really explain it.
But the Saucer crash in Star Trek Beyond had it. You can just tell it's CG. There's no comparison when using models.
I think they have the lighting right and they've figured out how to make CG objects have weight to them...
But there's still something off about it. The saucer crash in Star Trek Generations was far superior because it was an actual 6ft saucer.
But that was a nice teaser. My only worry is that they don't over-use BB-8. He was pitched *perfectly* in Episode 7. Use him sparingly please.
Luke : Maybe it's time for the Jedi to end... Red all over the poster... Luke goes bad ?
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That was pretty epic!
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Can't wait for the RedLetterMedia fake reaction video :lol
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That was pretty epic!
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That was awesome, i loved it
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It was on the same level as the first Force Awakens teaser.
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It's going to be a long 8 months.
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Did they design The Last Jedi trailer exactly like The Force Awakens?
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They're structurally similar.
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Just enough as a teaser as it should be, Got me excited. The way teaser should be done, FRom here on out I will stay away from further trailers. rather be surprised once I see the movie. I will admit I have a boner :metal
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Luke : Maybe it's time for the Jedi to end... Red all over the poster... Luke goes bad ?
I got really excited about this because in both Clone Wars and Rebels, they have insinuated that in order to bring balance to the force, both the Jedi and Sith must not exist. I dont think Luke turns bad. I think he's reluctant to train Rey because he knows this.
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Luke : Maybe it's time for the Jedi to end... Red all over the poster... Luke goes bad ?
I got really excited about this because in both Clone Wars and Rebels, they have insinuated that in order to bring balance to the force, both the Jedi and Sith must not exist. I dont think Luke turns bad. I think he's reluctant to train Rey because he knows this.
100% agree
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Not sure if discussed here, but a great panel discussion, and Carrie Fisher tribute. There are probably more.
https://youtu.be/dTqmkkw22vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5omARZT8E
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I wasn't too crazy about teaser. It wasn't bad it just didn't excite me in any way.
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I wasn't too crazy about teaser. It wasn't bad it just didn't excite me in any way.
same here. It was all pretty 'bland' as far as revealing anything. The Rey/Luke scenes probably happen within the first few minutes of them being on screen....save maybe the scene of Rey running and training with the light saber....but, Luke's comment of what he believes was certainly purposeful to get people talking yet probably is far lest sinister or meaningful than what the internet has turned it into.
the battle scenes looked great...the production of the movie is absolutely going to be incredible....but personally, I didn't/don't need a trailer for the movie to get excited about it because I'm already there. I don't think there's anything they could show me to get me more excited.
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The trailer was good fun. It's always nice to see new Star Wars.
The poster, on the other hand, is freaking beautiful and epic.
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Yeah, that poster is stylish.
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(https://fanart.tv/fanart/movies/97/movieposter/tron-554685f285e4a.jpg)
It's just TRON.
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https://nerdist.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-fan-made-parody-posters-use-the-force-face-off-he-man-the-room-deadpool/
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It's just TRON.
or He-Man
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49448/2436068-hemmu_cv1.jpg)
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Or Star Wars....
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Star-Wars-New-Hope-IV-Poster_c217085b.jpeg)
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HUGE SPOILER AHEAD
I REPEAT
HUGE SOPILER AHEAD
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/76644892-54AA-4AE1-8D88-767EFF45D091_zpswkft1uaj.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/76644892-54AA-4AE1-8D88-767EFF45D091_zpswkft1uaj.jpg.html)
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Holy shit. Oops disney, I can't believe you let that slip through.
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Yea, not sure how that's physically possible unless it's more distant.
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I think I'd call BS on that screenshot. Surely I'd have heard about that by now somewhere.
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Yea, not sure how that's physically possible unless it's more distant.
Well, she doesn't have to be descended from Obi Wan. Could be another branch of the Kenobi family tree that obviously was force sensitive, but did not train as jedi.
But more likely (IMO):
I think I'd call BS on that screenshot.
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Maybe force ghosts can get it on.
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Obi TWO Kenobi ?
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I think I'd call BS on that screenshot. Surely I'd have heard about that by now somewhere.
I did some googling and nothing comes up (besides fan theories), is there a link to go along with that screenshot? Otherwise it seems fake.
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I think I'd call BS on that screenshot. Surely I'd have heard about that by now somewhere.
I did some googling and nothing comes up (besides fan theories), is there a link to go along with that screenshot? Otherwise it seems fake.
I did a quick search myself, and only found references to Daisy Ridley being questioned about it and not answering. I think that kind of info would be tightly guarded enough to not accidentally end up on a stream like that.
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I think I shall call shenanigans as well. I just rewatched the video and this is what it said. Unless they corrected the mistake (which I doubt), I will say fake on this one
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-17%20at%202.27.14%20PM_zpsluismni9.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-17%20at%202.27.14%20PM_zpsluismni9.png.html)
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I think I shall call shenanigans as well. I just rewatched the video and this is what it said. Unless they corrected the mistake (which I doubt), I will say fake on this one
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-17%20at%202.27.14%20PM_zpsluismni9.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-17%20at%202.27.14%20PM_zpsluismni9.png.html)
The look on her face :lol
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I should have done the homework, I got that image from a friend and he was too excited. I just dropped my jaw and thought it would be cool if she is a Kenobi, which it's possible. But thanks for clarifying
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If that caption was indeed genuine - it would be all over the net.
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The Kenobi theory is about Obi-Wan having hooked up with someone from Clone Wars (i forget the name since I haven't watched the show) who he apparently had very warm feelings for. There's another rumor that she is both a Kenobi and a Skywalker basically by Luke at some point hooking up with the daughter of Obi-Wan. You can speculate all you want really, but that would be quite some heritage.
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Obviously she and Poe and gonna bang, then it gets revealed that her name is............Rey Dameron.
Yup, they're going to do the whole "Luke/Leia kiss thing" but to a whole new level.
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Obviously she and Poe and gonna bang, then it gets revealed that her name is............Rey Dameron.
Yup, they're going to do the whole "Luke/Leia kiss thing" but to a whole new level.
If they do that and don't show the entire sex scene, the new controversy won't be who shot first, but who finished first.
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Obviously she and Poe and gonna bang, then it gets revealed that her name is............Rey Dameron.
Yup, they're going to do the whole "Luke/Leia kiss thing" but to a whole new level.
If they do that and don't show the entire sex scene, the new controversy won't be who shot first, but who finished first.
Or who shot where.
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Obviously she and Poe and gonna bang, then it gets revealed that her name is............Rey Dameron.
Yup, they're going to do the whole "Luke/Leia kiss thing" but to a whole new level.
If they do that and don't show the entire sex scene, the new controversy won't be who shot first, but who finished first.
Or who shot where.
I almost went there, but thought it might be too far. Thanks for covering that for me :lol
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You guys. She used the force to guide......
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When the dust settles - all the combined channels that hosted The Last Jedi trailer will be well over 50 million views.
I wonder how much revenue that generates for Disney/Lucasfilm.
I'd bet that it pays for the marketing for Last Jedi at least.
Along with The Force Awakens trailers, merch, box office, Rogue One trailer, gross, merch etc...
They probably never have to worry about going over budget or under-performing...
They could just put out a teaser for Han Solo tomorrow and it would bring in several thousand dollars.
EDIT : I looked up the EPisode 8 announcement trailer from last year and that's got nearly 14m views on it's own.
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EDIT : I looked up the EPisode 8 announcement trailer from last year and that's got nearly 14m views on it's own.
I have a chrome extension for youtube that gives me some cool info. Just looked up this video and it's earned an estimated $20k, but not sure how accurate this tool is though.
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Watched RO with the kiddos again last night and what sticks out to me is that with each instance I've watched it (I've seen it 5 times now) I care less and less about the characters. Sure, I know whats going to happen and all that so I'm not expecting anything new....only that, when I sit and watch TFA with the kiddos I still feel just as invested in the characters and movie as if I were watching it for the first time.
I think RO is an awesome movie...I like the idea behind having just some 'STAR WARS' stories out there. It's very cool. But it may be difficult for me at least to feel as 'connected' to those movies being that they aren't 'about' the Jedi/Luke/Rey/Ren etc etc.
Not sure how much sense that all made...but I had fingers and a keyboard so I figured what the heck.....
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I think that could be because they all die. It's hard to get invested in characters when you know they aren't going to show up again.
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I think that could be because they all die. It's hard to get invested in characters when you know they aren't going to show up again.
This could be it...
Biggest problem with RO for me is, that the main cast is way too big!
It would have been better if they focused only on Jyn, Cassian, K2 and Saw.
Forest Whitaker was a glorified cameo, they could have explored the relationship between Saw and Jyn much further.
Nevertheless, i enjoyed the movie!
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Nevertheless, i enjoyed the movie!
Yeah. I don't want to confuse the fact that I dig the movie big time. It's really a whole different kind of 'like'....which I'm assuming is what's going to happen when you're telling STAR WARS stories that have nothing to do with the original story.
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I rewatched it a few weeks ago too, and was surprised by how much of a drag it was to get through. First time I saw it I thought it was fine, but nothing really special, but the second viewing was, aside from a few scarse moments, pretty boring.
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Forest Whitaker was a glorified cameo, they could have explored the relationship between Saw and Jyn much further.
Agreed. They talk up his character so much, and then he has almost no role whatsoever. It feels like a lot got left on the cutting room floor, so to speak. I wouldn't want the movie to be any longer than it is, but his character certainly feels incomplete.
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Episode 9 will now arrive in May 2019. 17 months after Episode 8.
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Episode 9 will now arrive in May 2019. 17 months after Episode 8.
Huh. I honestly just assumed they were moving all Star Wars to December. Seems to be working thus far.
I think studios need to quit doubling down on summer for all the big ones. Spread the love. Deadpool came out in Feb and did amazingly well.
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Yes.
Titanic and Avatar both came out in December and look what they did.
Force Awakens = December - also a huge billion $ movie.
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Exactly.
Stop putting ALL block busters in May/June/July
Stop putting ALL oscar movies in November.
God damn.
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Marvel is doing that. If memory serves, for example, Black Panther is coming out in February 2018.
Sure, they still put out big movies in May (GOTG V. 2 this year, Infinity War next year), but they spread the wealth around as well. Doctor Strange was November last year, Thor: Ragnarok is November this year.
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Episode 9 will now arrive in May 2019. 17 months after Episode 8.
And Indiana Jones 5 in 2020 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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And Indiana Jones 5 in 2020 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I thought this was posted in jest till I googled it. Can't believe this is happening. Well, I sorta can. Ford obviously loves the character and working with Spielberg. And the first 2/3 of IJ4 was good. It is still my grandest hope this franchise doesn't get rebooted, or recast.
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Just keep George Lucas away from it and it might be ok.
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And Indiana Jones 5 in 2020 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I thought this was posted in jest till I googled it. Can't believe this is happening. Well, I sorta can. Ford obviously loves the character and working with Spielberg. And the first 2/3 of IJ4 was good. It is still my grandest hope this franchise doesn't get rebooted, or recast.
I don't know if he loves the character or if he just loves getting paid. :lol Over the years, while being asked constantly about new Indiana Jones movies, his regular response seemed to be that he'd always do it if they paid him enough.
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Mutt is gonna stab him and throw him off a cliff :P
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I get reprising Han Solo, all he does is run and shoot.
Indiana Jones gets beaten, dragged and bloodied. The thought of seeing a 70-something year old doing that is laughable.
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Indiana Jones 5: Escape from the Nursing Home of Doom.
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https://youtu.be/ep98a0mDiIc
Has anyone else seen this? I nearly pissed myself laughing at this. :lol
Update:
https://youtu.be/usPhodK8I0Q
This is even better!! :biggrin: :rollin
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Clever Weather lady
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/690hhb/weather_girl_casually_dropping_star_wars_puns/?st=J29EDNZT&sh=73e6b94c
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Clever Weather lady
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/690hhb/weather_girl_casually_dropping_star_wars_puns/?st=J29EDNZT&sh=73e6b94c
Very good. "If you're forced to awaken early, it will be on the dark side" :lol
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Anyone doing anything cool/weird/stupid for Star Wars Day tomorrow?
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I'm going on a bike ride ??
I will visit my favourite coffee chain and have a latte and a sandwich and a muffin ?
So...No ?
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May the 4th be with you all!
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A date that's the same in the US and everywhere else ! May the Fourth not 4/5 or 5/4 :p
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"The fourth of May be with you" just doesn't have the same ring to it.. ;)
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It can be either way round in words - fourth of May or May the fourth. So the Star Wars thing works fine in any country!
(In numbers DD/MM/YYYY or YYYY/MM/DD are the only logical orders. Americans are silly).
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(In numbers DD/MM/YYYY or YYYY/MM/DD are the only logical orders. Americans are silly).
No argument here - the US date format has always baffled me, along with the dislike for the letter U (honour/honor), and double Ls (traveller/traveler) :P
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Mark Hamill pranks fans showing up when they're recreating their favorite Star Wars scenes. It's wonderful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2UnciOIfI&t=186s
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Mark Hamill pranks fans showing up when they're recreating their favorite Star Wars scenes. It's wonderful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2UnciOIfI&t=186s
Excellent! MH seems like a really decent guy.
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I loved it when they recreated the final scene of The Force Awakens, with a girl handing the lighstaber to "someone posing as Luke Skywalker", and he turns and says "that came with an hand, do you got that too?" :lol
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Watching ESB with the boys right now and I'm the battle scen on Hoth when Luke is leading the strike team against the Imperial Walkers....wasn't his call sign Gold Leader?
I only ask because in the version on TV right now they called him Rouge Leader, and the other two ships Rouge 2 and Rouge 3.
Did they change that as well?
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As far as I remember, it was always Rogue.
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As far as I remember, it was always Rogue.
Ok. I couldn't recall.
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You'd think they'd get the colour rouge leader mixed up with the colour red leader. ;)
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Okay, so x-wings, y-wings, etc.
The modern latin alphabet doesn't exist in Star Wars, so what the hell are these ships named after?
Edit: Oh, droids too. wtf
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They speak English too. ::)
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Okay, so x-wings, y-wings, etc.
The modern latin alphabet doesn't exist in Star Wars, so what the hell are these ships named after?
Edit: Oh, droids too. wtf
look at the shape of the ships.
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Okay, so x-wings, y-wings, etc.
The modern latin alphabet doesn't exist in Star Wars, so what the hell are these ships named after?
Edit: Oh, droids too. wtf
look at the shape of the ships.
I think the point is they've named ships after letters (or more accurately shapes of letters) that don't exist in that universe, since they use a different alphabet.
The only explanation I have is that "X" and "Y" are shapes in that universe, like square or circle, rather than referring to an actual alphabet. I'm sure there are probably droid names that contradict that, in which case I guess they could have a double meaning, even though that's a stretch.
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George Lucas gave us Jar-Jar, and "Sand is coarse and gets everywhere and sucks, not like you!" And you're fixated on x-wing/y-wing?
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"Sand is coarse and gets everywhere and sucks, not like you!"
And how do we know she didn't?
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Because cows generally don't. :natalieportman:
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You guys are no fun. :lol
George Lucas gave us Jar-Jar, and "Sand is coarse and gets everywhere and sucks, not like you!" And you're fixated on x-wing/y-wing?
There are some things I like to ignore entirely. :P
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Question..
Do they specifically say X wings Y wings etc In The Actual Dialogue ?
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That's a good question - I don't think so, at least I can't remember any particular line. Just more general stuff about "fighters" and that..
The scripts are on imsdb if you want to read through them:
https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html
https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Empire-Strikes-Back.html
https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Return-of-the-Jedi.html
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"Lord Vader, ship approaching. X-Wing class."
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Yeah, pretty sure they do.
And who cares.
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And they're In A Galaxy far Far Away a Long Time Ago...Yet they're humans who speak English.
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They should definitely speak in an entirely fictional yet realistically plausible language that every actor must learn to speak natively, and we should have to watch the whole thing subtitled. How dare a movie contain our language when it's supposed to be another galaxy!
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They should definitely speak in an entirely fictional yet realistically plausible language that every actor must learn to speak natively, and we should have to watch the whole thing subtitled. How dare a movie contain our language when it's supposed to be another galaxy!
Exactly!
Also Star Wars does have lots of made up languages that people speak.
There was an episode of SG-1 (100th episode) where they have a fake sci-fi show being filmed and two backstage guys are talking about whether or not to put apples on the set as props (I think).
"Do you really think that aliens in a totally different galaxy would be eating apples?"
"Why not? They speak english.."
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WORMHOLE X-TREEEEEEEEEEEEEME!
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WORMHOLE X-TREEEEEEEEEEEEEME!
Now there's a movie that needs to happen.
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Wormhole X-treme already got 10 seasons + a movie. What more do you need?
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Wormhole X-treme already got 10 seasons + a movie. What more do you need?
A trilogy. A prequel trilogy. A sequel trilogy.
...AND A GOD DAMN CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!
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They should definitely speak in an entirely fictional yet realistically plausible language that every actor must learn to speak natively, and we should have to watch the whole thing subtitled. How dare a movie contain our language when it's supposed to be another galaxy!
YOURE GOD DAMNED RIGHT :getoffmylawn:
also my post shoulda been in green font...
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You're a hard man to read, Kotow.
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Today I'm starting a Star Wars "marathon". I have sent an open invitation to few friends, and we'll start with The Phantom Menace today, and every wednesday from now on we'll see one movie. This is because we have a friend who hasn't seen any Star Wars movie, and she thought now was the right time. I also need to rewatch them before Last Jedi.
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Today I'm starting a Star Wars "marathon". I have sent an open invitation to few friends, and we'll start with The Phantom Menace today, and every wednesday from now on we'll see one movie. This is because we have a friend who hasn't seen any Star Wars movie, and she thought now was the right time. I also need to rewatch them before Last Jedi.
In that case, maybe not start with such an insufferable part of the series. :lol
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Today I'm starting a Star Wars "marathon". I have sent an open invitation to few friends, and we'll start with The Phantom Menace today, and every wednesday from now on we'll see one movie. This is because we have a friend who hasn't seen any Star Wars movie, and she thought now was the right time. I also need to rewatch them before Last Jedi.
In that case, maybe not start with such an insufferable part of the series. :lol
:biggrin:
When do you plan to watch Rogue One? In between RotS and ANH?
It would be interesting to hear what your friend thinks of the PT vs the OT, watching the whole thing with fresh eyes.
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If I was watching it for the first time, I think production order would be better than series order. The whole PT is kind of just there because. If anything those movies hurt the OT more than help it, and not just because of the badness.
Watching Rogue One before ANH would probably work either way though.
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If I were watching them for the first time in chronological order, I'd probably never see the OT, because I wouldn't make it all the way through the PT. :lol The only reason I did manage it is because I was invested enough after having known the OT for so many years.
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Today I'm starting a Star Wars "marathon". I have sent an open invitation to few friends, and we'll start with The Phantom Menace today, and every wednesday from now on we'll see one movie. This is because we have a friend who hasn't seen any Star Wars movie, and she thought now was the right time. I also need to rewatch them before Last Jedi.
In that case, maybe not start with such an insufferable part of the series. :lol
Yeah I know, but someone else has tried to watch A New Hope with her in the past, two times, but she fell asleep both times near the beginning. So I thought I'd try a different approach. Last time it was just her and one other person, so I thought I'd get a group together to maybe make it easier. Also, I thought that maybe seeing them in this order would make her more interested in the story once we actually get to the OT.
I have also prepared her that what we're watching tonight is a movie that is so bad it's almost funny.
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Almost. But not really. :biggrin:
If she couldn't get through ANH, I highly doubt TPM is going to fare better.
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To be fair, through the eyes of the newer generation of movie watchers, A New Hope is really dated and kind of slow. And knowing the person in question, I'm not so sure. I do however think that once we've gotten through it all, she'll think that A New Hope was a better movie, but I do believe Phantom Menace will hold her attention better and therefore work better as a starting point.
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Damn millennials and their zero attention span unless everything's exploding before the opening credits. :getoffmylawn:
And to be fair, TPM through the eyes of any generation is still a turd.
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Yeah I know, but someone else has tried to watch A New Hope with her in the past, two times, but she fell asleep both times near the beginning. So I thought I'd try a different approach. Last time it was just her and one other person, so I thought I'd get a group together to maybe make it easier. Also, I thought that maybe seeing them in this order would make her more interested in the story once we actually get to the OT.
I have actually heard a lot of people complain about A New Hope being too slow. Frankly, in comparison to today's films, it feels like it's moving at a snail's pace sometimes, especially near the beginning.
When I hear people say that The Force Awakens is simply a remake of Episode IV, the speed of the films is one of the first things I reference that is tangibly different. Episode VII is one of those movies where taking even a second to blink is a bad idea because you might miss something, whereas A New Hope allows for extended bathroom breaks at times. :lol
Please don't get me wrong - The original Star Wars trilogy is my favorite collection of films alongside Lord of the Rings. They're just a tad slow, which makes perfect sense considering when they were made.
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I respect ANH, but its just too slow for me. It was too slow for me when I was 7 and its too slow for me now. Its like the textbook lazy Sunday afternoon movie. Empire on the other hand :metal
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Similarly, I respect the innovation and impact of A New Hope, but in today's context I find it a bit lacking in excitement. Whereas I don't find that with episodes V and VI at all.
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Agreed. Empire and Jedi still hold up perfectly fine.
And to be fair, TPM through the eyes of any generation is still a turd.
Definetely.
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Yes. not only is it a bad Star Wars film but it's a really badly made film in it's own terms.
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The only parts of Empire I find slow are the Yoda/Luke training scenes on Dagobah.
Sure, they are important scenes, I just find they drag a little.
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We made some popcorn, had a few laughs, and she stayed awake through the whole thing. So I consider it a success.
I also found a moment in Phantom Menace that I hadn't really ever noticed before. When the crew arrives on Coruscant and they split up, Anakin is all confused about where he's supposed to go so he looks back at Qui-Gon and points askingly a few times in different directions. I thought that was a legitimately funny moment, not because it was bad, it was just good. Unfortunately, it's probably the only intentionally funny thing in the entire movie, and probably because it doesn't involve a word of dialogue. It's subtle moment, which is why it works I'd say.
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I also found a moment in Phantom Menace that I hadn't really ever noticed before. When the crew arrives on Coruscant and they split up, Anakin is all confused about where he's supposed to go so he looks back at Qui-Gon and points askingly a few times in different directions. I thought that was a legitimately funny moment, not because it was bad, it was just good. Unfortunately, it's probably the only intentionally funny thing in the entire movie, and probably because it doesn't involve a word of dialogue. It's subtle moment, which is why it works I'd say.
It was probably ad-libbed by the actors. I doubt Lucas had a hand in that.
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A good director can pull stuff like that out of his actors, too, or it could have come about collaboratively. Either way, yeah, I'm sure Lucas didn't have it in the script.
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They look like they are ready to fuck shit up.
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Oh Goody.
Captain DoesNothing is back !
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https://ifunny.co/fun/JlY3Ty6q4
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https://ifunny.co/fun/JlY3Ty6q4
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Brilliant!! That's made my morning.
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Is it a new meme/thing to cut up words from shows to songs, because I saw an entirely different one only yesterday.
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Is it a new meme/thing to cut up words from shows to songs, because I saw an entirely different one only yesterday.
If it wasn't then it will be by the end of the week.
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I figure if I'm just finding out about it now, then it was probably already popular two weeks ago. :lol
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That's Aussie internet for you !!
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Did anyone get a chance to check out the new Vanity Fair article? There's a lot of good information in there.
Minor spoiler: Rian Johnson is doing something that is very simple, but really interesting... Again, minor spoiler... In that he is going to explore the elite of the Star Wars galaxy by having Fin go to a planet where all the rich douchebags live. I'm surprised that it hasn't been done before up until now.
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Sounds like a cool idea. I'm going to stay away and not spoil anything though. I would prefer to not know. I have read TONS of spoilers about Alien: Covenant just because I've gotten to an age where I don't find it enjoyable to be scared, but I still want to see it, so I'm trying to front-load as much info about the film as possible before I see it. But generally, I'd prefer not to know everything about a film before I see it. That is getting harder and harder to do these days.
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Alien Covenant is not scary in the slightest.
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https://www.theonion.com/graphic/leaked-last-jedi-footage-reveals-chewbacca-balding-56108?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
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POSSIBLE SPOLIER
https://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wars-lego-fan-theories-supreme-leader-snoke-2079845
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https://fox13now.com/2017/06/19/star-wars-carrie-fisher-had-cocaine-heroin-ecstasy-in-system-at-time-of-death/
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Apparently the Han Solo directors have dropped out of the project. Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors. :lol
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I wonder if Lord and Miller were going for a more goofy version along the lines of the jump street movies. We've seen that Lucasfilm aren't afraid to get dark like they did with Rogue One. The movie was 3 weeks away from completing shooting apparently.
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What a cluster fuck.
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Poor Carrie. Sad this news had to come out.
Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors
Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.
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Lord and Miller have directed some successful movies so far even though they are just few. They did the Jump Street movies, The Lego Movie and Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. They have a pretty good track record, as I said before, I get the sense they may have wanted to take the movie in a goofier direction given their movie making repertoire.
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Lord and Miller have directed some successful movies so far even though they are just few. They did the Jump Street movies, The Lego Movie and Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. They have a pretty good track record, as I said before, I get the sense they may have wanted to take the movie in a goofier direction given their movie making repertoire.
Which is why she just corrected the horrible mistake of hiring them in the first place. I just became WAY more interested in this movie given this great news.
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There's more info in this article and it just sounds like it was never meant to work from the start.
https://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/
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Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors
Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.
Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.
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"Studio Involvement" is the bane of the film director's existence, and something you generally don't want to hear as a film goer, as studio execs are not generally artistically inclined and their involvement rarely betters a film. Considering the check Disney wrote for Lucasfilm though, I can see them wanting to have more control over these projects, and Kathleen isn't a stranger to quality movies.
I hadn't any interest in this project yet, as evidenced by me not even knowing who the directors were. There can be such a thing as SW fatigue, and I in interested in new, fresh projects, not trying to fill in gaps and tell backstories I didn't care of in the first place.
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Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors
Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.
Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.
Reshoots are standards, but a lot of the final version of R1 was done through those reshoots, specifically the ending. They re-wrote pretty big parts of that film for the reshoots.
All for the better, if you ask me, since the parts everyone seems to like all came from the re-writes.
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Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors
Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.
Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.
Reshoots are standards, but a lot of the final version of R1 was done through those reshoots, specifically the ending. They re-wrote pretty big parts of that film for the reshoots.
All for the better, if you ask me, since the parts everyone seems to like all came from the re-writes.
I enjoyed the movie even more than TFA, so I agree.
Given the changes they made to Rogue One in reshoots that resulted in the movie being what they wanted, just imagine how far this movie must be from their intention if they felt the only course of action was to fire both directors at this point?
Botching R1 wouldn't have been the end of the world, because it's a standalone isolated story. But messing this one up would be pretty significant.
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Bummer! I was really looking forward to Lorde & Miller directed SW movie!
This has become a troubling trend with the big franchises. The higher up's tell the directors what kind of movie they want, and if that won't work then you're out the door. No room for the directors to make their own vision. I think the reason why Wonder Woman and Logan were so good, is that Patty Jenkins and James Mangold clearly had creative freedom to do a movie they wanted.
I HATE that this has come to Star Wars franchise also. My favorite movie series!
No doubt they are going to replace them with a yes man, who will do exactly what Kennedy wants..
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The more I read the more it feels sensible for the firing to happen I suppose. The complaints I'm reading includes the executives not being happy with the performances of the actors and the general improvised feeling of the shoot.
From this article (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-why-han-solo-movie-directors-were-fired-1015474)
The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.
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Wow, that's big news. I like The Lego Movie and 21 Jump St well enough, but if there was an attempt to bring that kind of chaotic humour to the Han Solo movie, I could see it being a disaster.
Even if they get a new director quickly, I'm wondering how much was already shot, and how much will have to be redone?
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One thing is for certain, even if they get a new director onboard quickly, we are going to see massive reshoots and a delay of the release date.
They are probably going to scrap a lot of the footage, already in the can..
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Since we're on a DT forum we all know what "label interference" means, looking back on FII.
It seems a trend everywhere when business and arts collide: a musician knows the kind of album that wants to make but the label wants a hit, a director has a vision for a movie but the studio demands a love story etc etc... I could say that the executives never ever learn from their mistakes, but probably there are times and situations in which they're actually right, without considering they can't afford risks that may cost millions of money.
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They're the equivalent of session musicians in this case. The person was hired because of their abilities, and there is some room for creative license and for them to put their mark on it, but at the end of the day, it still has to be within the defined parameters of what someone else wants creatively. Obviously they did not do that satisfactorily in this case.
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They're the equivalent of session musicians in this case. The person was hired because of their abilities, and there is some room for creative license and for them to put their mark on it, but at the end of the day, it still has to be within the defined parameters of what someone else wants creatively. Obviously they did not do that satisfactorily in this case.
Yeah I think it depends on the extent to which the producers have a strong creative vision of their own. In the case of major franchises like Star Wars, Marvel etc. that is clearly the case. As you say, directors can bring their talents and put their stamp on it, but if their vision is too different to that of the producers, it won't work.
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I enjoyed the movie even more than TFA, so I agree.
I'm completely with Blob here. I think R1 is one of the best movies from the Star Wars Universe.
I hadn't any interest in this project yet, as evidenced by me not even knowing who the directors were.
This is me exactly as well. And hearing that these two had so little experience, and little/no experience in action/sci-fi (The Lego Movie is a stretch), and leading it towards a comedic affair (I thought GOTG went too far over the top with the forced comedy, lord knows how this one would've played out)...
I just became WAY more interested in this movie given this great news.
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Studio interference from Disney on Star Wars is a lot different than saw WB interfering with the DC universe. Kathleen Kennedy has done a fabulous job so far and I have no reason not to trust this move. As this is the first true stand alone Star Wars movie (I view Rogue one more as a prequel) they can't afford to fuck it up if they want to keep making other non Skywalker movies.
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Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors
Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.
Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.
If my memory of the situation is correct, they had to reshoot something like 40% of the film, bring in a different director to supervise some of them, and because of the delays, they also had to change composers. I don't want to argue too much about semantics and whether it was truly a "fiasco" or not, but it wasn't... Shall we say, ideal?
The main takeaway from that and this, I think, is that Lucasfilm seems to be doing a poor job of nailing down the visions for these stand-alone films until way too late in the process.
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But as a viewer and fan of these films does it really matter to us how they get created as the long as the end product is good? I'm sure if i was involved in the process of making these films the process would probably drive me crazy. I don't think reshoots are a bad thing either. It's better to recognize problems and fix them than to just truck on and put out a shitty film.
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Re-shoots are normal. It's just that we don't normally hear about them, so when we do, there is a tendency to think it is something out of the ordinary.
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Re-shoots are normal. It's just that we don't normally hear about them, so when we do, there is a tendency to think it is something out of the ordinary.
This. Happens on most films. But because reporting on entertainment generates a lot of money and interest, it is followed a lot more closely now. I just roll my eyes at it and move on.
if what was said about the Han movie is right, I am glad they are re-shooting. I didn't really want the Han movie, but if they made him a comedic character, that's wrong. He isn't comedy. He's sarcastic and a pretty deep character. So I am glad the studio got involved to correct it, if the directors went the wrong route.
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Am I incorrect though in saying that what happened with Rogue One wasn't exactly normal? It's not like they just re-shot a few scenes; reports indicated that they had to reshoot as much as 40% of the film, rewrite key scenes, bring on a second director to supervise some of them, and hire a new composer because of the delays.
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm just acknowledging the molehill.
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Yes, R1 reshoots went well beyond what is considered normal in Hollywood. Still think it was for the best though.
I think one reason people really noticed it was that much of the trailers consisted of shots that were eventually reshot for the movie. So people saw the trailers, and then most of the shots in those trailers never made it to the movie and were replaced by reshots.
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Am I incorrect though in saying that what happened with Rogue One wasn't exactly normal? It's not like they just re-shot a few scenes; reports indicated that they had to reshoot as much as 40% of the film, rewrite key scenes, bring on a second director to supervise some of them, and hire a new composer because of the delays.
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm just acknowledging the molehill.
Everyone close to the movie has said that the 40% figure was bogus and that they wouldn't have even had time to redo that much of the movie that late and still have it finished on schedule (which would be true for a big effects movie like that). There were notable changes made to key scenes, but I think it was more about getting the tone of the movie perfect, which I think says more about Disney's dedication to getting it right, rather than the movie being a disaster beforehand. The change in composer was due to the reshoots being pushed back from the intended dates. Changing composer due to scheduling conflicts is also not that unusual. I don't know about a second director, but I did hear that the big ensemble cast was an additional logistical issue for the reshoots, so another director was likely a necessity of scheduling too.
Rogue One definitely could have been a very different movie in editing with some of the changes, but to call the situation a fiasco without us knowing all the inside details is imo a stretch. This business with the Han Solo movie suggest to me that maybe Disney is still trying to strike that right balance between giving the directors creative freedom to make a movie in that universe, and keeping a hold of the reins on what they want Star Wars to be at the top level.
Also, I remember reading about particular shots in the trailer that were never even intended for the movie, but just added to have some cool shots for that early trailer. I could probably dig up the article if I cared enough.
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So Ron Howard is gonna take over the Han Solo movie?
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Yeah, very interesting.
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Just read about Ron Howard. While he's an awesome director, this seems like it might be out of his wheelhouse. But hey... I'm sure Disney knows what it's doing. Like Blob said... could be very interesting.
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Dude is a pro though. He knows how to make a good family friendly film, which is what this will be.
Also seems like a very very relaxed guy, which is apparently what they want, since it's being reported that a lot of people on the set are not terribly happy or calm.
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Ron Howard is a good choice. I haven't see every one of his films, but I've liked most of the ones I've seen. And everyone seems to like him. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about him, from anybody. That's pretty rare.
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Ron Howard is a good choice. I haven't see every one of his films, but I've liked most of the ones I've seen. And everyone seems to like him. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about him, from anybody. That's pretty rare.
Well, I bet Michael Bluth would have a few choice words.
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Ron Howard appeared as the leading choice right after the news came out. It's definitely a safe choice, I like Ron Howard's movie, I know the Dan Brown movies get slagged a lot but apart from those dude has some seriously good movies. I've only seen Angels and Demons of the trilogy and rather liked it.
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Ron Howard is a good choice. I haven't see every one of his films, but I've liked most of the ones I've seen. And everyone seems to like him. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about him, from anybody. That's pretty rare.
Yeah, Howard is a solid replacement.
Still would have liked to see a Lord & Miller directed Han Solo Movie, but it is what it is..
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Ron Howard is a good choice. I haven't see every one of his films, but I've liked most of the ones I've seen. And everyone seems to like him. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about him, from anybody. That's pretty rare.
Well, I bet Michael Bluth would have a few choice words.
I have no idea who that is.
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Ron Howard is a good choice. I haven't see every one of his films, but I've liked most of the ones I've seen. And everyone seems to like him. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about him, from anybody. That's pretty rare.
Well, I bet Michael Bluth would have a few choice words.
Well, if Ron Howard doesn't work out, than there's always money in the Banana stand.
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THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY IN THE BANANA STAND!!
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Sit on it Han.
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these movies have jumped the shark.
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Is it weird that a Star Wars(ish) movie is being directed by a guy who starred in a George Lucas film, alongside Harrison Ford?
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these movies have jumped the shark.
ehh...I'd have to say you're wrong on that. IF the Han Solo movie falls flat and is a disaster then 'maybe' you can start to make the case....because Episode 8 is going to make mad bank and be a global hit so the franchise will have three consecutive Billion dollar movies leading into Han Solo.
They've far from jumped the shark. In fact, the shark they may eventually jump hasn't even been born yet....actually.....the father of the father who will father the father of the father that fathers the jumped shark's grandfather hasn't been born yet......
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Pretty sure he was just making a Happy Days joke.
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Pretty sure he was just making a Happy Days joke.
:facepalm:
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Still good answer tho
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Pretty sure he was just making a Happy Days joke.
:facepalm:
Gary, you were wrrrooo, wrruuooo, wrooo, wroo...
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And remember when Han hits the Falcon to start her up when leaving Hoth, just like The Fonz would do with the jukebox? This connection is big, you guys!
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https://movieweb.com/han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-compared-jim-carrey-ace-ventura/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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https://movieweb.com/han-solo-movie-alden-ehrenreich-compared-jim-carrey-ace-ventura/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
If that is actually the direction they were taking the character, I am glad they were fired.
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My concern is, how much of the already shot footage are they going to be stuck with, and how bad is it? Is it certain scenes where it deviates, or was the entire direction pushed that way?
Given the negativity surrounding the entire concept of a Han Solo prequel movie, they really need to get this right if it has any chance of success.
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My concern is, how much of the already shot footage are they going to be stuck with, and how bad is it? Is it certain scenes where it deviates, or was the entire direction pushed that way?
Given the negativity surrounding the entire concept of a Han Solo prequel movie, they really need to get this right if it has any chance of success.
I'm waiting for the news in the next couple weeks that the movie will be delayed due to having to basically start over. Some sources say 3/4 of the movie has been shot already...which...if that's the case....no amount of editing would be able to 'hide' whatever comedic angle or creative difference there was...right?
It wouldn't bother me one bit if they delayed it and allowed Howard to shoot what he needs to shoot, like you said....they need to get it right so if it's delayed a half year or so it's delayed a half year.
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How did it take people in charge this long to notice that this was going wrong? Were they not keeping tabs on production?
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How did it take people in charge this long to notice that this was going wrong? Were they not keeping tabs on production?
You'd think a higher up would be watching dailies, wouldn't you?
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Yea, the weirdest and most alarming part of all of this is that this stuff should have been worked out before a single frame was even shot.
I get trusting your directors to shoot their vision, but you really need to know what that vision is, in good detail, before handing over a huge film like this.
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Would've been nice to see a very different kind of Star Wars movie. Oh well.
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Different is good, but I don't think the Han Solo movie is the place for it. People are protective of the character, and have certain expectations.
I think they will have to be diverse with these side movies to avoid franchise fatigue though.
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Different is good, but I don't think the Han Solo movie is the place for it. People are protective of the character, and have certain expectations.
I think they will have to be diverse with these side movies to avoid franchise fatigue though.
I think that's why they need to focus on more of the second tier characters like Ahsoka or someone less 'known'. The only way the Han movie works is if they utterly nail it because of how dear that character is to all SW fans. It's very risky.
Focusing on a 'lesser' character would allow them to have more leway with the character and story
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Different is good, but I don't think the Han Solo movie is the place for it. People are protective of the character, and have certain expectations.
I think they will have to be diverse with these side movies to avoid franchise fatigue though.
I think that's why they need to focus on more of the second tier characters like Ahsoka or someone less 'known'. The only way the Han movie works is if they utterly nail it because of how dear that character is to all SW fans. It's very risky.
Focusing on a 'lesser' character would allow them to have more leway with the character and story
I'd all for an Ahsoka film.
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Who the hell is Ahsoka? They're trying to make money, which means characters and events the average movie goer knows and cares about.
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Ahsoka is a fan favorite character from the Clone Wars and Rebels animated shows.
I'd also be ok with Ahsoka movie, except her story got pretty much wrapped in Rebels. I don't know what else they could do with her.
They could make a Star Wars western with all new characters, set in some unknown corner of the galaxy. I'd go see that!
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See, that's the thing with Ashoka - they would get it wrong for one side of the fanbase. Those like Blob/me who barely (if at all) know her aren't going to care all that much. Those that are invested in the EU, and already know her story are just as likely to shit all over a live-action/feature length movie if the story/character isn't be 'true' (enough) to the EU.
I could've gone for a Han & Lando story. "Han's not here!" ... if you catch my drift.
Cheech & Chong
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:lol @ Cheech & Chong reference.
Ahsoka isn't EU. But, yeah, I pretty much agree with what you said.
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See, that's the thing with Ashoka - they would get it wrong for one side of the fanbase. Those like Blob/me who barely (if at all) know her aren't going to care all that much. Those that are invested in the EU, and already know her story are just as likely to shit all over a live-action/feature length movie if the story/character isn't be 'true' (enough) to the EU.
I could've gone for a Han & Lando story. "Han's not here!" ... if you catch my drift.
Cheech & Chong
If it's done right like The Lord Of The Rings trilogy where it wasn't word for word or have everything from the books no one will complain.
But it has to be that good.
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Yeah Ashoka isn't EU. Lucasfilm has dubbed The Clone Wars AND Rebels for that matter as canon.
EDIT: On that topic, The Clone Wars is ESSENTIAL Star Wars. All the seasons are on Netflix, and I highly recommend watching them. Not only does it make the Prequel trilogy better, it expands on the mythos of the Force. I have a feeling some of it will pertain to The Last Jedi.
If you dont want to watch all the seasons, I can recommend episodes for you to watch.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one and I could be thinking of the wrong thing but I just can't get over how cheesy and just unappealing the CGI looks. I'm sure it's something you get used to but I can't look at a screenshot or clip and not think "low budget".
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Yeah Ashoka isn't EU. Lucasfilm has dubbed The Clone Wars AND Rebels for that matter as canon.
EDIT: On that topic, The Clone Wars is ESSENTIAL Star Wars. All the seasons are on Netflix, and I highly recommend watching them. Not only does it make the Prequel trilogy better, it expands on the mythos of the Force. I have a feeling some of it will pertain to The Last Jedi.
If you dont want to watch all the seasons, I can recommend episodes for you to watch.
The aspect I enjoyed was getting to know Anakin WAY better than what Lucas did with the films. Watching his progression as a Jedi and Leader and also the conflict he had with the Jedi 'way' in itself...it was good to see. I loved the times when his actions and speech would veer off course from the Jedi way and that 'Vadar' music would lightly play in the background...hinting at the darkness within....his character was very well done in that show IMO.
And as far as I'm concerned Ahsoka is in the top tier of greatest all time Star Wars Characters. Above many of the 'fan favorites' of the movies like Boba Fett, Lando and others...she's dynamic and was an incredibly powerful/smart Jedi. The recent book that was released written by Johnston (haven't read it yet but) details where/what she was/did after she fled the Jedi...survived order 66 and then reappeared. That'd be a great live action movie even if fans weren't familiar with her.
I'm sure I'm not the only one and I could be thinking of the wrong thing but I just can't get over how cheesy and just unappealing the CGI looks. I'm sure it's something you get used to but I can't look at a screenshot or clip and not think "low budget".
I was never distracted by the CGI...and didn't think it was all that bad. You do get used to watching animation but as for how 'bad' it was....i never found it to take away from anything. in fact, it just added to the lore of the types of things the Jedi could do.
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My bad... I didn't know Clone Wars and Rebels were canon.
Which kinda proves my point that there is likely a large audience in the Star Wars movie-base that wouldn't be invested in those characters. Then again, Marvel has done ok by that with most of their movies.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one and I could be thinking of the wrong thing but I just can't get over how cheesy and just unappealing the CGI looks. I'm sure it's something you get used to but I can't look at a screenshot or clip and not think "low budget".
The animation for Rebels for me is worse than The Clone Wars, which had some really impressive coloring and lighting work, and the camera work was especially exceptional. The battle scenes are terrific!
Yeah Ashoka isn't EU. Lucasfilm has dubbed The Clone Wars AND Rebels for that matter as canon.
EDIT: On that topic, The Clone Wars is ESSENTIAL Star Wars. All the seasons are on Netflix, and I highly recommend watching them. Not only does it make the Prequel trilogy better, it expands on the mythos of the Force. I have a feeling some of it will pertain to The Last Jedi.
If you dont want to watch all the seasons, I can recommend episodes for you to watch.
The aspect I enjoyed was getting to know Anakin WAY better than what Lucas did with the films. Watching his progression as a Jedi and Leader and also the conflict he had with the Jedi 'way' in itself...it was good to see. I loved the times when his actions and speech would veer off course from the Jedi way and that 'Vadar' music would lightly play in the background...hinting at the darkness within....his character was very well done in that show IMO.
Yep you nailed it. I wish this was how Anakin was in the actual films.
Another aspect of Clone Wars that I loved are the Clone stories, especially the "Rookies" episode and General Krell story arc
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I remember liking Ashoka by the end, but I also remember her being a pretty annoying character early on.
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I remember liking Ashoka by the end, but I also remember her being a pretty annoying character early on.
Early on she was like 10 years old. By the end of Clone Wars she was.....next to Anakin....the best character on the show.
I've yet to watch Rebels as I've just recently completed Clone award.
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Here goes a clear promotional photo of snoke. One that is in the flesh, not just hologram
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-promo-images-showcase-snoke-luke/#gallery=1
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1024-h/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Star-Wars-The-Last-Jedi-Supreme-Leader-Snoke.jpg)
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Glad that Lorde and Miller were fired. The accounts of what they were doing sound atrocious. Ron Howard should be able to safely steer the ship into port (which is the best outcome that Lucasfilm can hope for at this point).
A film about Ahoska would be a terrible idea. Of course, a film about Han Solo isn't a great idea, either. A film about Lando would have been much been much better, IMO.
The stand-alone films have to be about characters or events known to the average SW film fans; the overwhelming majority of them don't watch the cartoons or even read the other books or comics, so they won't be interested in films starring those characters or about those events. Those characters/events already have an avenue - the cartoons, novels, and comics.
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What kinds of stuff were they doing? I had only heard about the firing, but didn't know the details
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What kinds of stuff were they doing? I had only heard about the firing, but didn't know the details
They were apparently approaching it just like another Jump Street film, encouraging the actors to do a LOT of improv, and just producing something with the complete wrong tone for a SW film. Conditions on set (especially with the crew) weren't great either. The crew apparently reacted with much joy when they were notified that Ron Howard was being brought in.
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Here goes a clear promotional photo of snoke. One that is in the flesh, not just hologram
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-promo-images-showcase-snoke-luke/#gallery=1
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1024-h/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Star-Wars-The-Last-Jedi-Supreme-Leader-Snoke.jpg)
Why does stuff like this get leaked? Why not let it be a surprise for moviegoers?
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The stand-alone films have to be about characters or events known to the average SW film fans; the overwhelming majority of them don't watch the cartoons or even read the other books or comics, so they won't be interested in films starring those characters or about those events. Those characters/events already have an avenue - the cartoons, novels, and comics.
I agree that the cartoon/novel/comic characters are less known. But there's going to be an eventuality where they have burned through a couple of the 'main' side characters from the Main Source for these non trilogy movies. Ahsoka and a couple other non traditional characters are really cool characters that if done right could be really neat but it would be a tricky gamble.
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They may very well be good stories, but if no one comes to see them, it won't matter.
The next "Episode" films in the ongoing saga don't need any extra setup - it's the next part of the ongoing story. Everyone would want to see that (by "everyone" I mean the vast army of people who are already SW fans).
Likewise with the format they have established with the stand-alone stories. Movies about film characters (Han Solo) or events talked about in prior films (stealing the Death Star plans).
Not sure there is enough willingness to see a film about any of the extraneous (non-film) characters. Maybe there is, but I doubt that the risk would be financially workable for Lucasfilm.
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Here goes a clear promotional photo of snoke. One that is in the flesh, not just hologram
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-promo-images-showcase-snoke-luke/#gallery=1
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1024-h/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Star-Wars-The-Last-Jedi-Supreme-Leader-Snoke.jpg)
Why does stuff like this get leaked? Why not let it be a surprise for moviegoers?
I don't see this as a "leak". I mean, this doesn't tell us anything at all that we didn't already know. Heck, a fan could have done this based on what we already know. It's just a "real life" mock up of exactly what we already saw.
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Has anyone discussed the Behind the Scenes trailer that was released a couple of weeks back? I thought it was really great. Unlike the Han Solo film, Episode VIII appears to be coming together seamlessly. I feel like it's got a really good vibe about it.
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Has anyone discussed the Behind the Scenes trailer that was released a couple of weeks back? I thought it was really great. Unlike the Han Solo film, Episode VIII appears to be coming together seamlessly. I feel like it's got a really good vibe about it.
Nope. Wasn't even aware. But what little I have heard about Ep. VIII even aside from that has been pretty positive, so I am not surprised about what you posted. Thus far, I feel that the two films released by Disney have been outstanding, so I remain optimistic about the other projects until they give me a reason not to.
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Thus far, I feel that the two films released by Disney have been outstanding, so I remain optimistic about the other projects until they give me a reason not to.
This
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Just watched the behind-the-scenes trailer. Some pretty cool stuff. But also some stuff that, if you think about it, may be sorta' spoilery.
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Just saw Rogue One. Yeah, I know. Liked it very much. Had a hard time at the beginning following the plot, but that was my fault for not being able to relax and settle in right away. Well-crafted, well-told story. Enjoyed it much more than EpVII. Feelings subject to change over time. While I knew where R1 was going, I never felt I knew how anything was going to play out. Whereas with EpVII, I felt like I had seen that movie before, and thus it didn't keep me as engaged. If that makes sense.
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I felt like I had seen that movie before, and thus it didn't keep me as engaged. If that makes sense.
Well yea.. It's just a rehash of Images & Words :neverusethis:
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I am a musical idiot so I never got that whole ADToE/I&W connection, but I haven't cared to read up on it either. It's a great album. Who gives a shit. If I have to read up on why it is a "rehash" I am devoting too much thought to something that should be an emotional experience.
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I am a musical idiot so I never got that whole ADToE/I&W connection, but I haven't cared to read up on it either. It's a great album. Who gives a shit. If I have to read up on why it is a "rehash" I am devoting too much thought to something that should be an emotional experience.
I am a movie idiot so I never got that whole IV/VII connection, but I haven't cared to read up on it either. It's a great movie. Who gives a shit. If I have to read up on why it is a "rehash" I am devoting too much thought to something that should be an emotional experience.
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Ah, the game's afoot eh? HAVE AT YOU! :)
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I am a musical idiot so I never got that whole ADToE/I&W connection, but I haven't cared to read up on it either. It's a great album. Who gives a shit. If I have to read up on why it is a "rehash" I am devoting too much thought to something that should be an emotional experience.
I am a movie idiot so I never got that whole IV/VII connection, but I haven't cared to read up on it either. It's a great movie. Who gives a shit. If I have to read up on why it is a "rehash" I am devoting too much thought to something that should be an emotional experience.
These thoughts echo mine with regards to both ADTOE and TFA. I think that people overthink these things sometimes. In some cases, the overthinking also appears to be selective. I've seen a lot of people tear apart TFA with a fine tooth comb only to turn around and say "Return of the Jedi is my favorite film because it has a green light saber!" :lol
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I'm...........suddenly worried.
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That's like worrying about an album after seeing the album cover and track lengths, no?
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That's like worrying about an album after seeing the album cover and track lengths, no?
Well those are actual characters. So it's like worry over a snippet or leaked sheet music.
Album cover or track lengths would be more like cmovie subtitle or poster.
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Ewoks: The Next Generation
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That's like worrying about an album after seeing the album cover and track lengths, no?
Well those are actual characters. So it's like worry over a snippet or leaked sheet music.
Album cover or track lengths would be more like cmovie subtitle or poster.
Yes, but we know nothing about them other than the way they look. What does that have to do with anything? Perhaps a better analogy then would be the release of a band picture from album art, and trying to judge how the album sounds based on how the band members look in a photo.
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That's like worrying about an album after seeing the album cover and track lengths, no?
Well those are actual characters. So it's like worry over a snippet or leaked sheet music.
Album cover or track lengths would be more like cmovie subtitle or poster.
Yes, but we know nothing about them other than the way they look. What does that have to do with anything? Perhaps a better analogy then would be the release of a band picture from album art, and trying to judge how the album sounds based on how the band members look in a photo.
Yup! Not a bad analogy there. And if DT released a new promo image for whatever their next album and it's all of them in 70's disco suits, I'm also going to be a little worried haha.
I'm not a huge SW fan, and was never insanely pumped for this movie to begin with, and it's not like I won't see it because of these pictures. The weird walrus nuns don't bother me much, since they could get 10 seconds of screen time for all I know. But that weird other creature is next to Chewy on the Falcon. So whatever that thing is, is clearly going to get some decent screen time. Maybe it'll be the cutest thing ever? Just doesn't inspire confidence in me.
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I've always had a walrus nun fetish, it just took me until now to realize that. I'm actually completely psyched for this movie now.
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That's like worrying about an album after seeing the album cover and track lengths, no?
No.
I'm not a huge SW fan, and was never insanely pumped for this movie to begin with, and it's not like I won't see it because of these pictures. The weird walrus nuns don't bother me much, since they could get 10 seconds of screen time for all I know. But that weird other creature is next to Chewy on the Falcon. So whatever that thing is, is clearly going to get some decent screen time. Maybe it'll be the cutest thing ever? Just doesn't inspire confidence in me.
I also have no issue with the walrus nuns either, but the Porgs have been a concern for many people. They're native to the place Luke is at, and are supposed to be wise or something, and apparently will get a decent amount of screen time. I hope they pull it off, but they look like Ewoks v2.
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You're right. A movie saga set in space should NEVER have aliens that do not look humanoid. It can't be good if all the characters aren't good looking White people.
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If only there was some huge middle ground between attractive white people, and overly cutesy sentient seal bird puppet merchandising fodder! But alas........
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If only there was some huge middle ground between attractive white people, and overly cutesy sentient seal bird puppet merchandising fodder! But alas........
There is. You are referring to gungans.
Oh, wait... :lolpalm:
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Don't worry, be happy! :hat
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That thing by Chewie initially reminded me of my daughter's Hatchimal. Then I realized is has no beak.
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I get where you're coming from Adami, but it's also pretty silly/ridiculous if you're legitimately worried over a couple of alien side characters that will in all likelihood show up in the film for a total of five seconds (probably two seconds, because it's Entertainment Weekly). But again, I get where the worry comes from. Though a couple of cute aliens to pander to a few people won't ruin the movie. Now if they show a floppy eared, mentally deficient war commander who speaks like a child and is as ditzy as a drunken college chick, then you can be worried all you want. :lol :corn
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As far as "cutesy" characters go, BB-8 was better done than any Star Wars character of that ilk in quite some time (and maybe ever), so I'm hopeful that the creature next to Chewbacca will be handled with the same skill.
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I can honestly see it being really vicious and violent. That'd be pretty awesome.
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New Last Jedi trailer coming late tonite or tomorrow!
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New Last Jedi trailer coming late tonite or tomorrow!
I was just wondering when the new trailer would drop. Can't wait!
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New Last Jedi trailer coming late tonite or tomorrow!
:corn
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New Last Jedi trailer coming late tonite or tomorrow!
Source? I haven't heard anything but I hope so!
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Colin Trevorrow is officially out as the director of Episode IX. This is becoming a bit of a ridiculous trend. :lol
As The Last Jedi seems to be the only film that has gone 100% smoothly so far, my vote is to bring Rian Johnson back and postpone Episode IX until December 2019 to give him time to make it work.
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Colin Trevorrow is officially out as the director of Episode IX. This is becoming a bit of a ridiculous trend. :lol
As The Last Jedi seems to be the only film that has gone 100% smoothly so far, my vote is to bring Rian Johnson back and postpone Episode IX until December 2019 to give him time to make it work.
Wow, that is funny. Massive re-shoots for Rogue one, firing of the directors for the Han solo movie and Episode 9. For a mult-billion dollar franchise, I would hope they would have their shit together a little more :lol
And I am totally down for having Rian Johnson to come back.
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Seriously? This is getting ridiculous. :lol
How much would the guy have even had the opportunity to do at this point? Disney must be rethinking their approach to the franchise at this point, which probably means less freedom for the directors in future. Hopefully they can maintain quality with churning them out once a year.
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On one hand, Jurassic World is trash so I'm not really that upset, but on the other, I'm really starting to worry that the franshise will lose focus with all this bullshit going on.
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After Episode IX, I think that they should take at least five years before releasing X. Actually, I think that they should wait even longer, but I know that's not realistic. I also think that they should take a couple of years off after putting out the Obi-Wan movie.
On a side note, I watched Rogue One for the first time since December last night. I really enjoyed it, as I did before, and think that it expands on the Star Wars lore beautifully. I don't think that it's as entertaining as The Force Awakens, but it's got some incredible moments.
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I have no problems or concerns with this. It's better to make a change before the production get's started if there are already red flags.
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I have no problems or concerns with this. It's better to make a change before the production get's started if there are already red flags.
Yeah, this. It sounds like after the debacle with the Han Solo movie they must have had a meeting with him to dig into what his 'vision' was to make sure it was in line with what they wanted. I guess it wasn't so there ya go.
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JJ to write/direct Episode IX. Bleh.
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JJ to write/direct Episode IX. Bleh.
Well I heard he was in talks. Is it confirmed?
I mean, obviously it will be. The dude can take orders.
Edit: Looks confirmed. Lame.
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This sounds crazy to say, seeing as I haven't even seen Episode VIII, but I was so hoping that Rian Johnson would do Episode IX. He seems like such a fresh and inspiring director. And this is coming from someone who hates the word "inspiring". :lol
That said, I love The Force Awakens, and think that JJ is generally a solid creator. Lucasfilm could have done much worse. I just hope that Episode IX isn't too safe.
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I just hope that Episode IX isn't too safe.
^ exactly this for me..
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I think after the recent debacle of firing directors, they wanted a guaranteed safe choice, and given that they've already worked with JJ on a movie that did incredibly well, he was an obvious pick. I think he could have done all three if not for the fact he didn't want to be long term to another country.
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I welcome the news of JJ being back. I'm quite sure I've read that JJ wishes he would've done some things differently and would be glad to be back. I think as usual he'll make an entertaining movie. I had zero problems with his approach on TFA. I don't think he'll be heavy handed with references to the OT this time.
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I don't think he'll be heavy handed with references to the OT this time.
Agreed. I think the homage was a one-time thing, and doing so again would be a bad move. JJ isn't a dumb guy; he actually seems really bright and competent, from what I've seen. I'd be really surprised if he did it again.
On a side note, I looked up the dude who JJ is writing the movie with, and it's the same guy who did Batman v Superman. That makes me more nervous than JJ's involvement, but we'll see. :millahhhh
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Rogue One was also pretty rife with references. It might just be a studio thing at this point.
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JJ has been a derivative hack in everything I've seen from him, so I won't give him the benefit of the doubt here. :lol But hopefully slightly less of a derivative hack this time assuming TLJ sends it in a slightly different direction.
Rogue One was also pretty rife with references. It might just be a studio thing at this point.
Oh there's definitely some studio involvement there. I think some things were already set for TFA before JJ even started. And it was probably part of the reworking of Rogue One. That stuff is fun to a degree when it's incidental, but when it gets too coincidental, it takes me out of it a bit. Like pig man happening to be on that planet in Rogue One just before it explodes.
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Hack, fake, better version of Brett Rattner, whatever.. I don't care what he's referred to. I enjoy his movies, I think he makes them entertaining.
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JJ has been a derivative hack in everything I've seen from him, so I won't give him the benefit of the doubt here. :lol But hopefully slightly less of a derivative hack this time assuming TLJ sends it in a slightly different direction.
Rogue One was also pretty rife with references. It might just be a studio thing at this point.
Oh there's definitely some studio involvement there. I think some things were already set for TFA before JJ even started. And it was probably part of the reworking of Rogue One. That stuff is fun to a degree when it's incidental, but when it gets too coincidental, it takes me out of it a bit. Like pig man happening to be on that planet in Rogue One just before it explodes.
I hope Pigman gets his own spinoff movie. He can be played by John C Riley.
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I hope Pigman gets his own spinoff movie. He can be played by John C Riley.
:lol That is some inspired casting.
I'm sure he'll be all over the Han Solo movie.
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I should add, I don't even want him in any make up. I just want John C. Riley as himself speaking in his own voice. I also want Pigman to be his official name.
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I am on board with every single one of these ideas.
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I should add, I don't even want him in any make up. I just want John C. Riley as himself speaking in his own voice. I also want Pigman to be his official name.
That's asking quite a lot, but hey, send your suggestions to Lucasfilm, see what they say.
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I think JJ is a good director, so I have no probelm with this.
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I think JJ is a good director, so I have no probelm with this.
Ditto
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On a side note, I looked up the dude who JJ is writing the movie with, and it's the same guy who did Batman v Superman. That makes me more nervous than JJ's involvement, but we'll see. :millahhhh
He also wrote Argo, for which he won an Oscar.
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I think JJ is a good director, so I have no probelm with this.
Ditto
Agreed!
I like Star Trek 2009 and i love The Force Awakens. I'm happy with this! Chris Terrio is the big question mark in this...
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Yea have no problem with JJ returning. :tup
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I think JJ is a good director, so I have no probelm with this.
Ditto
Agreed!
I like Star Trek 2009 and i love The Force Awakens. I'm happy with this! Chris Terrio is the big question mark in this...
Yea have no problem with JJ returning. :tup
Same here. For as much crap as he gets/got for the whole "rehash" narrative.....the dude was put in a tough spot and managed to nail both vital aspects of the introduction of this new trilogy. Appeal to the 'old school' fans enough to keep them interested and provide a whole new set of heros for new fans to fall in love with. As I said....he nailed both.
Added bonus being that Kylo Ren is a fantastic 'bad guy' and was presented and portrayed very good.
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I'm going to reserve my opinion on JJ's return until after I've seen the next film. If it blows TFA out of the water...
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I loved TFA and its my favorite behind Empire so I am more than happy to have JJ back.
As long as there's no ewoks, we good.
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I loved TFA and its my favorite behind Empire so I am more than happy to have JJ back.
As long as there's no ewoks, we good.
Personally I'm hoping for a spin off focusing on the long fabled Ewok/Porg war.
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JJ has been a derivative hack in everything I've seen from him, so I won't give him the benefit of the doubt here. :lol But hopefully slightly less of a derivative hack this time assuming TLJ sends it in a slightly different direction.
Rogue One was also pretty rife with references. It might just be a studio thing at this point.
Oh there's definitely some studio involvement there. I think some things were already set for TFA before JJ even started. And it was probably part of the reworking of Rogue One. That stuff is fun to a degree when it's incidental, but when it gets too coincidental, it takes me out of it a bit. Like pig man happening to be on that planet in Rogue One just before it explodes.
Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness were derivative of ST2:Wrath of Kahn. Whether that is studios, Abrams and/or him being a company guy is unknown.
Disney's choices to me point to them being safe, and playing up nostalgia with this franchise. They gutted Lucas' ideas for TFA. The director swaps and/or reshoots, or time extensions point to conflicting visions. Or visions too far off the beloved SW reservation. Not even attacking Lucas here- he did something different for the prequels. Whatever the opinion of them, he took a known conclusion and created a backstory that wasn't a reboot. So the Mouse rejects Lucas' consultation, reshoots chunks of Rouge One (and won't release them), removes two directors. And bring back a guy who did a New Hope pt.2.
So far then, we have; a beat-matched TFA, Rogue One which is based in episode 4-6 canon, a Han film based around ep4-6 canon, a rumored Fett film based on primarily 4-6 canon character, a ? in episode 8 but Driver already made the Empire comparison, and bringing back the beat-match master for 9. It seems to me then that Disney wants a franchise based in the episode 4-6 only world.
*sigh.* I'm not even into the characters of Disney's other cash-cow, the MCU. But Feige has been masterful there IMO.
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If they ever wanted to get off the Episode 4-6 rehash train, I would love to see them do a Knights of the old republic film, or films.
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If they ever wanted to get off the Episode 4-6 rehash train, I would love to see them do a Knights of the old republic film, or films.
As long as one of the characters is secretly Anakin's great great great grandmother or something silly.
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So Star Wars has been moved from May or whatever to December.
Can they just admit that SW will be in December in general? Seeing all of their movies each independently delayed to the same month is getting dumb.
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So Star Wars has been moved from May or whatever to December.
Can they just admit that SW will be in December in general? Seeing all of their movies each independently delayed to the same month is getting dumb.
I may be wrong but I thought that was already common knowledge, that it was clearly stated that we'd get movies every two years in December.
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It was but episode nine was slated for a summer release in May. That's been moved now.
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On a side note, I looked up the dude who JJ is writing the movie with, and it's the same guy who did Batman v Superman. That makes me more nervous than JJ's involvement, but we'll see. :millahhhh
He also wrote Argo, for which he won an Oscar.
Ah, good call! I don't mean to sound like too much of a downer. I think that the worst case scenario is we get an enjoyable, fun flick. Something on the level of Return of the Jedi, in my opinion.
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On a side note, I looked up the dude who JJ is writing the movie with, and it's the same guy who did Batman v Superman. That makes me more nervous than JJ's involvement, but we'll see. :millahhhh
He also wrote Argo, for which he won an Oscar.
Ah, good call! I don't mean to sound like too much of a downer. I think that the worst case scenario is we get an enjoyable, fun flick. Something on the level of Return of the Jedi, in my opinion.
So long as it isn't Return of Return of the Jedi. Or Return of the Sith.
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Return of a New Hope...
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Return of the Sand - It still gets everywhere..
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Return of the Sand - It still gets everywhere..
Beach Blanket Barbecue.
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There's some chatter online that episode 8 is going to be close to 2 1/2 hrs long making it the longest SW episode to date. Rian Johnson has already mentioned that post production is done so it's possible the cut is set. Makes me even more excited for it now!
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Yeah, I heard it was basically confirmed as 2 and a half hours, and that the film is finished (which I assume just means the film is locked, and not effects and stuff). With how much TFA had to do, it felt rushed, so I'm totally ok with a longer film that can go into more detail and cover more ground.
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I'm totally down with a 150-minute Star Wars movie. :metal
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I don't really care how long it is, just as long as it's good. I agree that TFA felt rushed in places. It had the extra burden of establishing the new characters that we won't have to the same extent with TLJ.
The most important thing for me is for it have a good story. I can overlook some of the obvious throwbacks to the original trilogy with TFA, as I see it as trying to re-establish the look and feel of Star Wars, but I think this is the movie where they can afford to take some risks and move the story on in (hopefully) some unexpected direction. People will inevitably be looking to compare this one to ESB, but I really hope it stands on its own two feet.
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I usually like learning that movies I look forward to are going to be pretty long. It usually means that the studio has faith in the product, for whatever that's worth. If they said it as going to be 90 minutes I'd be worried, because it would likely mean that even the studio thinks it's bad, and order them to cut it down to just get whatever money they can out of it.
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If any movie franchise should feel safe enough to have a longer runtime and not scare people off, it's Star Wars. Hopefully it means they've got plenty of time for the character/emotional moments inbetween the action.
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I generally like movies that are not overly long. More movies should target the 105-120 minute runtime IMO.
But i also like longer movies, when the story justifies the runtime. Something like BvS certainly did not..
TFA had a breakneck pace, and did not answer some important questions properly. It's only fitting that TLJ is a longer movie that has time to explain some of the unexplained things from TFA.
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Weird so many think the pacing of TFA was too fast, I thought it was just right for the story being told.
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Weird so many think the pacing of TFA was too fast, I thought it was just right for the story being told.
Yeah I'd agree with you. Rogue One I had pacing issues with, not TFA.
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The first half of Rogue One definitely had issues, way too much stuff was happening at a breakneck speed. The second half more than made up for it for me.
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Weird so many think the pacing of TFA was too fast, I thought it was just right for the story being told.
Agreed.
I still think it could have slowed down a bit in certain places, but i generally did not have issues with it. Maybe i just wish i didn't need to wait two years, to get answers into some of the burning questions from TFA. :biggrin:
But, i digress.
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Weird so many think the pacing of TFA was too fast, I thought it was just right for the story being told.
It's par for the course for modern Hollywood action movie, but it was too fast paced imo, and they missed some crucial emotional moments because of it, instead opting for extraneous action sequences.
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Maybe, but for me when someone says too fast-paced, the transformer movies hold that honor. Compared to that TFA is a lot more balanced in its pacing.
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If you have to use Michael Bay as your baseline, you might have to reevaluate your position. :lol :P
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Maybe, but for me when someone says too fast-paced, the transformer movies hold that honor.
The pacing is one of the lesser issues I have with those films!
If you have to use Michael Bay as your baseline, you might have to reevaluate your position. :lol :P
I still say 'The Rock' was one of the great action movies of the 90's. The rest of his filmography is well, yeah.....lets just say not so good.
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If you have to use Michael Bay as your baseline, you might have to reevaluate your position. :lol :P
I still say 'The Rock' was one of the great action movies of the 90's. The rest of his filmography is well, yeah.....lets just say not so good.
I could sign up to that. Totally ridiculous plot, but still very enjoyable.
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The Rock is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Also, we're almost 2 months from TLJ and there still hasn't been a proper trailer. It's got to be release soon.
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The Rock is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Also, we're almost 2 months from TLJ and there still hasn't been a proper trailer. It's got to be release soon.
There has been some rumors going around, that it will release on 9.10.2017. That's a week from now.
Supposedly during a Monday night Football game..
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The Rock is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Also, we're almost 2 months from TLJ and there still hasn't been a proper trailer. It's got to be release soon.
I've heard that we'll get a trailer on the 9th.
Ninja'd by Polarbear. :laugh:
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I thought that The Force Awakens was fast-paced but also well-paced. Rogue One felt a tad slow to me, but was still a really enjoyable flick.
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The older I get, the less patience I have for overly long movies (Christopher Nolan, I'm looking at you). If it's focused and entertaining, by all means make a long movie. If it's long just because you don't know how to edit your work, get out of here. Once you stretch beyond 2 hours, I usually start to get restless.
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The older I get, the less patience I have for overly long movies (Christopher Nolan, I'm looking at you). If it's focused and entertaining, by all means make a long movie. If it's long just because you don't know how to edit your work, get out of here. Once you stretch beyond 2 hours, I usually start to get restless.
I'm the opposite. I prefer my movies to be 2.5-3 hours in length. That's not to say you can't tell a good story in 2 hours or over/under a hair...but all things being equal I like a long movie.
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It depends on what the movie calls for, but if the movies calls for a longer run time, don't cut it down because viewers have a shitty attention span. And I can easily see how this movie would need the longer run time. For scifi/fantasy, 2.5 hours shouldn't be a concern at all.
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I think that pacing is the most important factor. If memory serves, A New Hope is the shortest Star Wars film, but it feels like one of the longest. Don't get me wrong - great movie, one of my all-time favorites - but slow as molasses at times.
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^Really interesting observation. I hadn't really thought about it as being one of the shortest. But, yeah, pacing is everything. And not trying to cram in too much is key. I posted in the Alien Covenant thread that I just saw that movie this past weekend, and it felt short to me. I had to recheck the run time and was surprised that it is actually 2 hours, 3 minutes. I assumed it was under 2 hours. It certainly felt like it. And it's not that it was such a brilliant movie that time just flew by. It was just paced well and didn't try to do too much in terms of information overload. In fact, I think it was actually too streamlined and simplified and could have had more supporting detail and complexity. Obviously, different types of movies will call for different pacing. For me, the pacing in Covenant worked in its favor. Overall, I think the pacing in the Star Wars films is pretty good and works fairly well for the most part (although the two new films I think maybe barely cross the line into trying to do too much in the time allotted), and I like your observation about the variation.
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The older I get, the less patience I have for overly long movies (Christopher Nolan, I'm looking at you). If it's focused and entertaining, by all means make a long movie. If it's long just because you don't know how to edit your work, get out of here. Once you stretch beyond 2 hours, I usually start to get restless.
I am the opposite, but also similar. Let me explain.
The older I get, the more I enjoy longer films, but I have less time to devote to it. My take is -- films should be the length the director and creator feel is appropriate to tell the story. And if it is long, then you just need to work that into your schedule, even if it means doing it in two days. That sucks, but that has become my reality. For example, I don't usually have 2 hours and 45 minutes to watch The Dark Knight in a straight shot these days. I did when it first came out, but not any longer. So, I typically watch the first half, and then come back to it in a day or two in the evening when I have another couple of hours.
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I couldn't give a rats arse what the length is. I've sat through 90 minute movies that were boring as hell and felt like 2.5 hours. I've sat through 2.5 hour movies that went by like *snap* that.
I've also watched near 3 hour movies that felt like I lost 5 hours of my life, and a few brain cells (looking at you, Transformers franchise)
So long as I'm entertained, and my interest/attention doesn't wane, I don't really care how long it is. Either way, I always go pee when the commercials are running.
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New trailer to premiere tonite on Monday Night Football at half time
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And according to director Rian Johnson, it's best to avoid watching the trailer... which is not news to me as I never watch the trailers.
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And according to director Rian Johnson, it's best to avoid watching the trailer... which is not news to me as I never watch the trailers.
It's a shame that trailers reveal too much these days. If there's one franchise that shouldn't and doesn't need to spoil anything in the trailer to ensure success, it's Star Wars.
I'll watch the trailer anyway, since I don't care what it might give away (I already know plenty from reading around), and if a movie's good, it should have plenty to offer beyond what a trailer shows.
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It's a shame that trailers reveal too much these days. If there's one franchise that shouldn't and doesn't need to spoil anything in the trailer to ensure success, it's Star Wars.
I'll watch the trailer anyway, since I don't care what it might give away (I already know plenty from reading around), and if a movie's good, it should have plenty to offer beyond what a trailer shows.
:iagree: Looking forward to watching this one.
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Well me personally I don't want ANY plot points to be given away in the trailer, I'm sure the movie will be good and will have a lot more than what is shown/revealed in the trailer. It's just a personal preference. I remember seeing someone made a comparison of the trailers in the 70s/80s and they've pretty much stayed the same in terms of revealing several things from the movie. Anyways, I've been on a self embargo on trailers for a very long time now and I think it really helps me with the enjoyment of the movies and shows I watch.
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Looking forward to the trailer, but it will be tomorrow my time before I get to watch it. Will look out for first thing in the morning.
I seriously doubt they will reveal anything too spoilerific, but I hope we get a good feel for the tone of TLJ.
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I seriously doubt they will reveal anything too spoilerific, but I hope we get a good feel for the tone of TLJ.
Trailers are all made the same way anyway, regardless of the movie and the plot:
- Vague introductory shot, that doesn't define anything
- Sudden burst of action, protagonists talking, nice scenes
- Rush of ever faster paced scenes, all culminating in the screen going black and the title appearing
- Post-title scene that usually caters to the die-hard fan, with a little nugget that every obsessed fan will know
:D
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I wouldn't even bother with a trailer. I mean, it's only two months away from release and everyone who is going to see this movie is already going to see it....most likely three or four times. I can't imagine the trailer will catch any 'new' viewers.....like 'oh, a new Star Wars...really? Cool...I'll go see it.."
I'd leave it a mystery
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I am going to hold off on watching the trailer until I get some feedback with regards to exactly how spoiler-y it is. I may even consult this very forum for advice... :biggrin:
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I personally can't wait. I know it will just make me more excited and will also make the next 2 months go even slower. :corn
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New poster :metal
(https://i.redd.it/u0p5xbukawqz.jpg)
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This character will be back. This other character will be back, also. And look, this character too! And... yep, that character too! Wow, so many characters will be in this movie. This looks awesome!
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Good trailer. Wet the whistle a bit.
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Ya....I wish I hadn't watched it. Maybe some of the stuff it hinted might happen isn't really going to happen, but ya. It didn't have any true spoilers, but it hinted at things that would have rather not been hinted at.
I can see why he told people not to see it.
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Ya....I wish I hadn't watched it. Maybe some of the stuff it hinted might happen isn't really going to happen, but ya. It didn't have any true spoilers, but it hinted at things that would have rather not been hinted at.
I can see why he told people not to see it.
Exactly. I'll keep this small for those that are trying to stay away from any spoilers.
is Kylo gonna blast mom away? Perhaps, but I'm not buying it the way that the trailer suggests. Is Rey gonna join up with Kylo? Doubt it. Nice to see Snoke in the flesh though - and I'm thinking that him (in the yellow robe) is the one "torturing" Rey?
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I only watched it quickly, but I don't feel like the trailer gives away much. There's the usual deceptive editing to make things appear a certain way, but without having seen the final movie, nothing jumped out at me as spoileriffic. Maybe I'll have to watch it again.
Either way, it all looked good. It's Star Wars.
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I was in a noisy bar and saw the entire trailer, but had no audio. Is the spoiler said or shown?
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Its a combination. Not sure either one would make sense without the other.
EDIT - ...and like I said. Its really not a black and white spoiler. I dont think they gave anything away. But there was a bit more info than I was comfortable knowing about.
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Really liking Finn's new look.
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It looks great! Love the trailer.
I don't need to see any more trailers or tv spots, only two months to go!
Now i'm just waiting for the Redlettermedia trailer reaction parody.. :biggrin:
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I've watched it a few times now. Looks great. At first I thought Luke seemed a bit off, but then again we haven't really been introduced to Old Luke properly yet, so we've no idea what he's become. The visual effects look top notch. I hope we get to see a bit more of Phasma this time - the face off between Finn and her looks promising.
I'm almost certain that last scene was cut to be deliberately misleading. Rey couldn't go to the Dark Side. Could she? Could she?
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Incredible poster and trailer. When Luke said "I wasn't afraid of it then, but I am now", I got the chills man...
While I think that the trailer should definitely be avoided by anyone who wants to go in completely clean, I also think that there is probably a lot of deceptive cutting and misdirection. There's no way that everything in the movie goes exactly as it seems. I didn't feel that it was too spoiler-y.
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I'm really happy spoilers don't bother me much. Great trailer. It looks like it might go in a direction I wasn't expecting.
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Incredible poster and trailer. When Luke said "I wasn't afraid of it then, but I am now", I got the chills man...
While I think that the trailer should definitely be avoided by anyone who wants to go in completely clean, I also think that there is probably a lot of deceptive cutting and misdirection. There's no way that everything in the movie goes exactly as it seems. I didn't feel that it was too spoiler-y.
absolutely. I cannot imagine that any of what we saw that folks are now speculating due to the way it was cut is actually going to happen. I just don't see Disney allowing major plot points to be revealed in a freaking trailer. It served it's purpose but I don't buy for one second any of what we were being led to believe by it.
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I've watched it a few times now. Looks great. At first I thought Luke seemed a bit off, but then again we haven't really been introduced to Old Luke properly yet, so we've no idea what he's become. The visual effects look top notch. I hope we get to see a bit more of Phasma this time - the face off between Finn and her looks promising.
I'm almost certain that last scene was cut to be deliberately misleading. Rey couldn't go to the Dark Side. Could she? Could she?
But we also don't have the context of the full scene. It's possible that she could reject his offer and fire up a lightsaber. It's nothing to get worked up over, but I do like how it was presented - The Last Jedi. Is she the last because she's the chosen one? Is she the last because she turns? We'll find out in a few months. :)
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I've watched it a few times now. Looks great. At first I thought Luke seemed a bit off, but then again we haven't really been introduced to Old Luke properly yet, so we've no idea what he's become. The visual effects look top notch. I hope we get to see a bit more of Phasma this time - the face off between Finn and her looks promising.
I'm almost certain that last scene was cut to be deliberately misleading. Rey couldn't go to the Dark Side. Could she? Could she?
But we also don't have the context of the full scene. It's possible that she could reject his offer and fire up a lightsaber. It's nothing to get worked up over, but I do like how it was presented - The Last Jedi. Is she the last because she's the chosen one? Is she the last because she turns? We'll find out in a few months. :)
...or we won't. I mean, it's quite possible that the end of the movie is her apparent turn, leaving a major cliff hanger until Ep. IX.
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I've watched it a few times now. Looks great. At first I thought Luke seemed a bit off, but then again we haven't really been introduced to Old Luke properly yet, so we've no idea what he's become. The visual effects look top notch. I hope we get to see a bit more of Phasma this time - the face off between Finn and her looks promising.
I'm almost certain that last scene was cut to be deliberately misleading. Rey couldn't go to the Dark Side. Could she? Could she?
But we also don't have the context of the full scene. It's possible that she could reject his offer and fire up a lightsaber. It's nothing to get worked up over, but I do like how it was presented - The Last Jedi. Is she the last because she's the chosen one? Is she the last because she turns? We'll find out in a few months. :)
...or we won't. I mean, it's quite possible that the end of the movie is her apparent turn, leaving a major cliff hanger until Ep. IX.
I'd bet my bottom dollar that the line Rey is saying about 'someone to show her where she belongs" is her speaking to Luke on that island and not what the trailer is leading us to believe....that is was Kylo.
What I did like was the confirmation from Luke that Kylo is 'strong'...I mean, we know that from the first film where he shows off his force skills (stopping laser shot mid flight/reading minds/etc etc) AND taking a direct hit from Chewbacca's crossbow laser (that they spent all film showing what a powerful weapon that was) and the fact that Luke senses the same thing in Rey is interesting as well.
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A bit random, but I wonder what the carbon fibre-looking strip is on Kylo's face:
https://youtu.be/Q0CbN8sfihY?t=78
At once stage in the trailer you see him with a vertical scar in roughly the same place, as he was at the end of TFA. I thinking this might be some sort of healing device or futuristic sticking plaster.
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Someone told me a theory of theirs that I really like: Rey was trying to forge an alliance with Kylo so that they could go back to Luke and inspire him to return to the mix. Perhaps the three of them uniting is the only way to defeat Snoke. Rey's first step is recruiting Kylo so that she can then recruit Luke.
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I'll join along the "Trailers can be misleading and the editing is deceiving" line. I would be very surprised if the two scenes of Kylo aiming and Leila scared and Rey asking for guidance and Kylo offering her hand are consecutive.
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I'll join along the "Trailers can be misleading and the editing is deceiving" line. I would be very surprised if the two scenes of Kylo aiming and Leila scared and Rey asking for guidance and Kylo offering her hand are consecutive.
I think there's zero chance of those scenes being linked. There is just no possible way they'd put something like that in a trailer....there's simply no NEED to do it. I think it's intentional for sure but it was intentionally misleading.
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Anyone else think that Rey and Kylo are twins?
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Anyone else think that Rey and Kylo are twins?
I’d thought about that possibility, but what would steer me away from it is the fact that there was zero mention of any of Leia and Han’s other offspring in TFA. Rey and Leia meet at the end of the movie, but there’s hardly any dialogue between them. I remember Han giving Rey some world weary advice at one point, but it didn’t seem like there was any hint of a father/daughter relationship.
Of course I could be totally wrong.. :)
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It wouldn't be the first time that a twin is totally pulled out of the director's a$$ without any previous thought about it :lol
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I actually think that the shots MirrorMask is referencing are consecutive. I just don't necessarily think that the context of what's happening will match our expectations, if that makes sense.
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I actually think that the shots MirrorMask is referencing are consecutive. I just don't necessarily think that the context of what's happening will match our expectations, if that makes sense.
I agree about the second one definitely. There’s more happening there than we yet know. I’m thinking that Kylo and Rey might be forced to team up to take on some other side quest, perhaps.
The first situation may be more straightforward, in that it creates a neat way for Leia’s character to be written out of the series, and has parallels with what happened in TFA.
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/650x500q90/924/otkJWE.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pootkJWEj)
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:clap:
Perfect.
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Dear Lord...
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Why was Chewbacca Computer generated?
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Theorizing from trailer:
The quote from Luke that went something like "this will not end like you think it will" seemed to take place between him and Rey in that water cavern. I'm curious as to if that was Luke's version of what Yoda did to him with the walk through the tree roots where he ran into Vadar? And he's essentially telling Rey the same thing Yoda told him...as if she had some sort of vision and is going to run off to rescue Finn/Poe?
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I just realized this, but the scene where Rey breaks the ground is very Dragon Ball Z. She's sitting there powering up, meanwhile the ground is shaking, pebbles are flying through the air, and everyone else is trembling with fear. Probably unintentional, but I don't think I've ever seen that kind of thing before in a live action movie.
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It looked like there was a CGI version of Carrie Fisher in some scenes in which they messed up on her nose. That bothers me a bit, she deserves much better than that..
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Carrie Fisher finished shooting all of her scenes for the movie, as far as I know, so if her nose looked weird, it wasn't due to CGI. Obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain of that.
I also feel like no CGI was done on Chewbacca, although I'm less confident in that assumption. Has anyone come across sources that state otherwise?
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Carrie Fisher finished shooting all of her scenes for the movie, as far as I know, so if her nose looked weird, it wasn't due to CGI. Obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain of that.
I also feel like no CGI was done on Chewbacca, although I'm less confident in that assumption. Has anyone come across sources that state otherwise?
Rian Johnson tweeted that it was 100% real. I think it's mostly because Chewy looks different without Mayhew.
I think they said there will be no changes made to the movie since Fisher's death, including CGI. But they certainly apply filters to her to make her look younger in these movies, which makes her look a little fake.
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Theorizing from trailer:
The quote from Luke that went something like "this will not end like you think it will" seemed to take place between him and Rey in that water cavern. I'm curious as to if that was Luke's version of what Yoda did to him with the walk through the tree roots where he ran into Vadar? And he's essentially telling Rey the same thing Yoda told him...as if she had some sort of vision and is going to run off to rescue Finn/Poe?
That makes sense. Though I have also read theories that that specific quote & scene is from the flashback to when Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroy Luke's Jedi Temple.
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Theorizing from trailer:
The quote from Luke that went something like "this will not end like you think it will" seemed to take place between him and Rey in that water cavern. I'm curious as to if that was Luke's version of what Yoda did to him with the walk through the tree roots where he ran into Vadar? And he's essentially telling Rey the same thing Yoda told him...as if she had some sort of vision and is going to run off to rescue Finn/Poe?
That makes sense. Though I have also read theories that that specific quote & scene is from the flashback to when Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroy Luke's Jedi Temple.
Hmmmm...that's interesting as well. Could totally be plausible.
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I couldn't make out another interesting line from Luke - the one that ends with "it didn't scare me back then, it scares me now". What comes before?
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"I've seen this raw strength only once before."
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Ah ok, thanks!
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As I'm sure most are aware now, the new Han Solo movie is going to be called Solo (A Star Wars Story).
People are complaining about the name, but I think it's good they haven't overthought it. I do hope they're not going with that as the final font though, because the Star Wars font looks a bit silly here. I'd go with the Rogue One style font. Not a big deal either way. I'm more curious to see some footage, but they'll probably hold off until TLJ is done.
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Seriously, what would the title be if not Solo?
Perfect title, no need to overthink it.
I'm glad it's not "Smuggler's Destiny" or something stupid like that..
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Han and Chewy's Big Adventure in Space
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Star Wars: Han Shoots First (a lot)
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Solo: "It's not my fault"
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I Know: A Han Solo Love Story
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I just read an article about this tweet:
https://twitter.com/IMAX/status/917842185629962242/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/IMAX/status/917842185629962242/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLzUmjeVQAAmZm0.jpg:large)
It may be something, or it may be nothing, but a certain character appears on both the light side and dark side...
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Star Wars: Han Shoots First (a lot)
Solo: "It's not my fault"
I Know: A Han Solo Love Story
Oh DTF... how I love thee.
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Scruffy Looking Nerf Hearder: An Origin Story.
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Solo: I've Got A Bad Feeling About This
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SOLO: The Story of jingleboy's Sex Life
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SOLO: The Story of jingleboy's Sex Life
:D
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Solo: Jingle Boy Always Shoots First
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Solo: I know
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(https://i.imgur.com/brJFThM.jpg)
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:lol
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SOLO: The Story of jingleboy's Mrs Miller's Sex Life orgasms
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SOLO: The Story of jingleboy's Mrs Miller's Sex Life orgasms
:neverusethis:
Touché
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Han Solo: Carbonite Fever.
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HAND SOLO: A very different kind of Star Wars story.
I'll just leave now...
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and then there's the inevitable sequel, Solo II: Carbonite Boogaloo.
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Weekend At Jabba's.
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Weekend At Jabba's.
:tup
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Anyone catch the season premier of Star Wars Rebels? Very strong start to the final season.
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I liked it. I loved when it seemed like Sabine’s mom and brother had died, that was pretty powerful, so I was quite disappointed with that fake-out. Otherwise yeah, good start to the final season.
Also, I always just assumed that Kanan and Hera were married or something like that. But now they started like hinting at a romance, so that had me a bit confused. I always thought they were a thing.
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Disney just announced that Rian Johnson will be writing/directing a new Star Wars Trilogy! To be clear, this trilogy will have nothing to do with the Skywalkers. It will be completely separate.
In the same event, they also announced a live action Star Wars tv show.
So, it looks like the Star Wars train won't be hitting the brakes any time soon..
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I missed the announcement of a live action show, but I read about the new trilogy.
I think it will be good to expand the universe and not focus on the Skywalkers (especially when the time left with the OT actors is limited), and also for the current trilogy to have a definitive end, but I do hope that the new trilogy characters are still included. Unless they die in this trilogy. :lol
I'll decide how I interested I am in the next trilogy based on TLJ, but at least it's not JJ.
Definitely interested in a live action SW show. They've really got to be careful not to oversaturate the franchise though.
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Interesting news. They must have really liked what Rian Johnson has done with TLJ to give him this new trilogy. I'm wondering what time period it will be set in - will it be old Empire, or First Order? I can't see them revisiting the prequel era Republic period.
Definitely interested in a live action SW show. They've really got to be careful not to oversaturate the franchise though.
I think that's the key. There will be more and more Star Wars stuff to watch, with this new trilogy and these standalone movies, like Solo and the rumoured Obi-Wan movie. I've got to the point where I've got superhero overload with all these Marvel movies. I wouldn't like it to go the same way with Star Wars.
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I hope Star Wars sticks to one movie a year. I think more than that would be overload.
Do you think they'll roll right into episode 10 right after 9 is finished? I think it's inevitable they continue the Skywalker Saga, but I'd like them to give it a break for a while before they come back to it rather than just having a continuous every other year Saga movie.
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The new trilogy sounds very intriguing, looks like Rian Johnson really made an impression with his take on The Last Jedi. Him writing and directing the first episode of the new trilogy should be just as great. That said it I am excited and cautious that it won't involve the Skywalker family.
Not sure the new trilogy will be called Episode 10, sounds like it's a new set of trilogy just in the same universe with probably none of the same characters from the OT.
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The new trilogy sounds very intriguing, looks like Rian Johnson really made an impression with his take on The Last Jedi. Him writing and directing the first episode of the new trilogy should be just as great. That said it I am excited and cautious that it won't involve the Skywalker family.
Not sure the new trilogy will be called Episode 10, sounds like it's a new set of trilogy just in the same universe with probably none of the same characters from the OT.
Even if it's unrelated to the Skywalkers, my guess is that it will still continue on in time (as opposed to being a different time period like Rogue One), and will carry on the numbering going forward to differentiate it from the side movies and to keep track of numbers. Otherwise you'll have a trilogy that will be Star Wars: Subtitle: Ep II or something like that, which could get confusing for some casual viewers.
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Yeah maybe, I don't know how they'll give the episode names. I'm sure they'll want to differentiate it somehow from the other trilogies.
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Yeah maybe, I don't know how they'll give the episode names. I'm sure they'll want to differentiate it somehow from the other trilogies.
Well, the Bond and Star Trek franchises didn't need to continue on with the numbers, so why would Star Wars? Why not just Star Wars: <insert something> Especially if it's going to distance itself from the Ep 1 thru 9 trilogies around the Skywalker family.
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I think that, if done right, something set in the Knights of the Old Republic era would make a great movie. Not sure how likely that is, though.
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I admit I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, but I'd hope they just do something new. I'm tired of franchises moving backwards for name appeal. Do a new story set after the newest trilogy and just move forward.
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Yeah maybe, I don't know how they'll give the episode names. I'm sure they'll want to differentiate it somehow from the other trilogies.
Well, the Bond and Star Trek franchises didn't need to continue on with the numbers, so why would Star Wars? Why not just Star Wars: <insert something> Especially if it's going to distance itself from the Ep 1 thru 9 trilogies around the Skywalker family.
My first thought for comparison was also Star Trek and how they stopped numbering them once they got to the TNG movies, but I think it's an important difference that there's only ever one series of films at a time. I could see that getting confusing for SW when you've also got the side anthology stories at the same time. Maybe they could make it work, but even Rogue One caused confusion for people.
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I hope There are still Jedi and light sabers. If not, it better be an impressive story.
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I think that, if done right, something set in the Knights of the Old Republic era would make a great movie. Not sure how likely that is, though.
I'd love to see The Old Republic trilogy, but i think that it's way too much of a deep cut for the general audience.
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I would love to have an Old republic trilogy so bad.
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What about taking an angle of the 'first' of them all....first group that formed the Jedi/Sith etc.? Before they were considered jedi/sith....leading to the third film of being both sides being full on jedi/sith
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re: naming
I can totally see whatever this new Trilogy is named something slightly different than Episodes 1-9
Star Wars: (subtitle here) Pt 1,2,3
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(https://imgur.com/biR1iln.jpg)
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LOL @ Mark's face. Seriously though, when I was 6 and saw this, that line was the creepiest thing I'd ever heard.
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Confirmed that the runtime for Last Jedi is 150 mins including credits making it the longest episode so far.
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LOL @ Mark's face. Seriously though, when I was 6 and saw this, that line was the creepiest thing I'd ever heard.
I love the face he's making. So cheerful and smug.
I didn't see the OT until I was in college, and my reaction to that line was about the same as Luke's. That's stupid as fuck. You'd be dead in a week, not slowly dying for 1000 years.
Maybe the Sarlacc has some way of keeping its victim alive as it digests it. If fresh food is better than dead, food that's still alive would be best of all. After all, gagh is best served live. (Oops, wrong universe.) Those tendrils might sting you and pump you full of stuff that keeps you alive while liquifying your guts, and others are like straws, kinda like how spiders feed. That would suck.
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I'm beginning to get a bit excited. Under a month to go. I'm just so curious to see how they handle Luke in this. Don't get me wrong, I'm curious about a lot including Rey/Ren....Snoke....the whole deal.....but I really want to see Luke in a battle of some sorts and see him showcase some next level Jedi fighting. Would love to see that. don't think it's gonna happen though.
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Have avoided trailers, but based off TFA, I have barely any interest in how this story unfolds. I am, though, very (cautiously) excited to see Luke and what this chapter holds in store for him.
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LOL @ Mark's face. Seriously though, when I was 6 and saw this, that line was the creepiest thing I'd ever heard.
I love the face he's making. So cheerful and smug.
I didn't see the OT until I was in college, and my reaction to that line was about the same as Luke's. That's stupid as fuck. You'd be dead in a week, not slowly dying for 1000 years.
Maybe the Sarlacc has some way of keeping its victim alive as it digests it. If fresh food is better than dead, food that's still alive would be best of all. After all, gagh is best served live. (Oops, wrong universe.) Those tendrils might sting you and pump you full of stuff that keeps you alive while liquifying your guts, and others are like straws, kinda like how spiders feed. That would suck.
:rollin
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After trying to figure out work schedules between me and my girlfriend, flying home to Florida for the holidays, and seeing who else can join us, we finally got our Last Jedi tickets! Thursday night, AMC opening night fan event!
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Got tickets for the 15th. Very excited.
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I am extremely excited for The Last Jedi, but my hype level hasn't reached a fever pitch. I think that once people have seen it, which should happen soon for critics and premiers, the movie will become real and I'll start losing sleep over it. :lol
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I'll be booking my tickets soon. We'll probably be going for my son's 13th birthday.
I'm definitely looking forward to it, but for some reason not just as much as I was for Rogue One last year. Not sure why exactly. I watched TFA last week for the first time in over a year, and it still holds up reasonably well for me. What stood out was the absolute breakneck pace that the movie started with. A lot of things happened in a very short space of time.
Hopefully, with TLJ, now that the characters are established, the story can move at a better pace. BTW, I think they have done a really good job of keeping the details under wraps. I've seen very little in the way of story spoilers.
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Not sure if this was talked about, but if not....
So if this rumored Disney/Fox deal goes through, Disney will get the rights back to the original trilogy. Everyone fighting for blu ray releases might get their wishes if it goes through.
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Not sure if this was talked about, but if not....
So if this rumored Disney/Fox deal goes through, Disney will get the rights back to the original trilogy. Everyone fighting for blu ray releases might get their wishes if it goes through.
I would buy unaltered OT blu rays in a heart beat. I would love to see this deal go through
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I figured they'd wait until the rights for 5 and 6 revert to them before negotiating for 4. But it doesn't necessarily mean we'll get the unaltered trilogy, at least for a while.
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Getting pretty pumped now. I'm going to grab my tix for next Thursday night after work today, and also pick up tix for a Saturday morning show to take the kiddos to.
I've been holding off watching TFA until the time was close so it looks like this weekend I'll give that a re-watch.
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Bought our tickets today, for 9:20pm on the first day. I don't feel one way or another about this movie. I feel like they've revealed relatively little of this movie, which is good, so I expect surprises going in.
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Bought our tickets today, for 9:20pm on the first day. I don't feel one way or another about this movie. I feel like they've revealed relatively little of this movie, which is good, so I expect surprises going in.
Yeah. I like how they've pretty much given nothing away of importance and I think that the way these trailers have been edited suggest things that are most likely intentionally deceiving. And it's pretty nice that no major spoilers have made it out (yet) prior to it being released. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that's one of the major reasons I want to see it day one, outside of just being a big fan. Don't want to wait a couple days and take the chance of hearing/seeing something that ruins the movie.
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Star Wars movies are a cinematic event, whether you're a diehard fan or not. I watch movies on the first day anyway, but I'd definitely want to see Star Wars asap you want to avoid spoilers.
I didn't go looking for spoilers for TFA, nor did I avoid them, but I knew many of the major points going in. I knew Han was taking the fall a year before the movie came out, I knew what little we know about Snoke so far before seeing it along with the Death Star not Death Star, there were no big surprises. It didn't spoil the fun ride of course, but Han's death didn't have the impact that the OT reveals had in the pre-internet days.
With TLJ, I honestly have no idea what to make of it, besides a few deceptively cut snippets in the trailers. What's the main plot? What do the characters spend the majority of the film doing? Rey sorta trains with Luke maybe like ESB, but even that may not be as clear as it seems. Rey meets with Snoke/Kylo somehow at some point and maybe there's a fight maybe not? Fin goes to a casino planet for some reason? The other dude might be doing something. Leia might be doing something. It's unbelievable to me that we're only a week out.
Assuming the movie is full of great stuff they're not showing, I like this strategy. It's one of the biggest film franchises, and is a sequel to the third highest grossing movie ever worldwide. It doesn't need to give away all of the best bits in the trailer for people to see it. People are going to see it. The more they hold back, the more essential it is for people to see it.
So for that reason, I'm neutral on the whole thing because I feel like there's not enough to judge.
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I'm trying to remain cautiously optimistic like I was for TFA and Rogue One. I loved both of those movies and everything I've seen for TLJ looks awesome, but I don't want to go in being expected to be blown away.
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Bought my tickets as well for opening night at a reserved seating auditorium though I got the show in 3D. Hopefully it won't give my a headache.
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I'm currently vacationing in Disneyland, and guess what?
I bought my tickets a week ago. I have reserved seats for an early afternoon showing right here at the house of the mouse. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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I'll see it eventually.
I hate seeing huge movies early on, mostly cause the audiences are terrible to deal with.
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I'm usually that way as well and fret going opening weekend to see these blockbuster movies. But this auditorium I'm going to only has 10 seats per row super spaced out and only 5 rows total in a huge room and screen with reserved seating. I've never seen this kind of setup before but if this turns out well then I'll be going to this place regularly.
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The audience being annoying is luckily a very rare problem here in Sweden, so we should be fine.
Also, my cousin wanted to see it on saturday, so now I’m seeing it on both the 15th and 16th, which shouldn’t be a problem at all.
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The audience being annoying is luckily a very rare problem here in Sweden, so we should be fine.
Also, my cousin wanted to see it on saturday, so now I’m seeing it on both the 15th and 16th, which shouldn’t be a problem at all.
Same here in Finland!
I'm going to an early screening just to be sure! Less people in the early morning screenings, and it's less likely that i'll be annoyed..
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I'm currently vacationing in Disneyland, and guess what?
Aw, MAN! Me and my wife were there at the same time! Wish I would have known.
Related to that, on Star Tours, we got a sequence with Jakku and the new planet with the red dirt from TLJ!
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Tix purchased! Next Thursday, 9:30 :metal
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Tickets purchased for Thursday (bought them when they first went on sale)! I'm going to have to avoid google and twitter until that time. Especially with the premier going on and the potential for spoilers going around on the internet. The other day I was bored and literally googled "star wars last jedi spoilers".... Just because I have no self control. Learned one minor spoiler (assuming it was even true), but learned my lesson as well.
My daughter is really into it as well, which is fun (she's fifteen). We've been watching the series all the way through. All we have left to watch is the Force Awakens, but we're waiting until Thursday so we can see it pretty much right before going to see the new one.
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Got tickets for Sunday evening. Can't wait
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Will catch up with TFA this weekend but don't think I have time to see TLJ until 26--28 dec so I guess i'll avoid this thread as much as possible until then.
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Good luck with that (I mean that sincerely btw :lol ). I've read there are some big twists in the movie, which people will probably be talking about. I don't know what happens as I'm trying not to spoil it this close, but it only takes one jerk to spoil it for you.
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Speaking of which.....when is proper etiquette in this thread to fully discuss? After opening weekend? I dont want to spoil for others and don’t want to be spoiled.
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I say once it hits opening day, it's fair game. Usually people will just disclaimer a post with SPOILERS as a courtesy, but if you read a thread about a movie/franchise after it's opened and aren't prepared for spoilers, it's your own fault as far as I'm concerned.
Or we could make a separate thread specifically for the movie that clearly states in the title there will be spoilers.
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Yea I know, will be quite a challenge. My solid proof strategy is to just treat anything I hear as rumours or personal opinions and then simply ignore it and move on. We'll see how that goes. :lol
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In the Marvel thread, most post spoiler stuff in small font for about the 1st weekend / week. Then perhaps a warning for another weekend, then it's fair game.
I'll be avoiding this thread, and FB. I'd managed to be blissfully aware of Han's demise before the release, but then some f'n post in my FB feed on opening weekend spoiled it. jingle.family is going Sunday afternoon, so I'll be off FB for the weekend. No big loss.
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I say once it hits opening day, it's fair game. Usually people will just disclaimer a post with SPOILERS as a courtesy, but if you read a thread about a movie/franchise after it's opened and aren't prepared for spoilers, it's your own fault as far as I'm concerned.
I tend to agree with this. If I haven't seen a movie on opening day I ususally just stay out of threads concerning it until I've seen it. I think it's quite boring to talk about a movie but having what I can say restricted.
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My boys are becoming somewhat frantic over seeing this on opening day because it is becoming so difficult to avoid spoilers. I get it. And I'm tempted to go along because I have the same concern. But I also think it is a bad precedent to buy into, and buying into it just means you pretty much ALWAYS have to then see stuff on release day to avoid spoilers, which just isn't practical. So I think I'm going to draw a "line in the sand" and hold off a week just as a teaching opportunity (and for the practical reason that this weekend just doesn't work for us).
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I'm going Thursday at 8! Can't wait!
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This is where it’s nice not being a huge SW fan. I’ll see it, but I don’t care if I have to wait a bit.
I hope it’s good.
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I've gotten in the habit of taking the Friday of opening weekend off for Star Wars movies in December, seeing a mid-day show to beat the crowds, and going Christmas shopping the rest of the day. So I'm going at noon on Friday. Can't wait!
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I've gotten in the habit of taking the Friday of opening weekend off for Star Wars movies in December, seeing a mid-day show to beat the crowds, and going Christmas shopping the rest of the day. So I'm going at noon on Friday. Can't wait!
Fun tradition! :tup
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There was an opportunity for me to see it in Burbank as a my friend's plus one at the Disney Studios....but then his wife was able to get off work >:( :biggrin:
I started my Star Wars marathon last night starting with Rogue One, and tonight will be A New Hope, Empire tomorrow, ROTJ Wednesday, and Force Awakens Thursday before my 6pm screening of The Last Jedi!
And no im not skipping the prequels because they are bad films, I just didn't have time after managing a commercial shoot last week. I tried to beat traffic so I could start my marathon to include those films, but beating Los Angeles traffic is like rubber lips on a woodpecker.
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And no im not skipping the prequels because they are bad films, I just didn't have time after managing a commercial shoot last week. I tried to beat traffic so I could start my marathon to include those films, but beating Los Angeles traffic is like rubber lips on a woodpecker.
Especially right now with 405 closed. I was just down there this past weekend (and last month as well). I tried letting you know, but no response. But, yeah, So. Cal. traffic.
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Didn't let me know. :'(
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My bad. But in my defense: (a) I forgot you were in So. Cal., and (b) both trips were limited to Disney, and unlike our buddy Accelerando, I've never read of you having unlimited access to Disneyland to visit people there at will. Sorry, man. :'(
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My bad. But in my defense: (a) I forgot you were in So. Cal., and (b) both trips were limited to Disney, and unlike our buddy Accelerando, I've never read of you having unlimited access to Disneyland to visit people there at will. Sorry, man. :'(
One of my clients works there. I can't ask him for any tickets, but that should really put me at the top of the list.
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I absolutely did not see your messages! I probably wouldn't have time to meet up last week, but i am bummed that I missed you last month!
Adami, I did not know you lived in SoCal as well
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I am going to a private screening in an hour. I would never do spoilers, but will just rate it
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I am going to a private screening in an hour. I would never do spoilers, but will just rate it
Sometimes I hate you so much. I'll be typing this again the first week of May no doubt.
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Me and the kiddos are about to sit down and watch TFA to refresh our memories.
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I am going to a private screening in an hour. I would never do spoilers, but will just rate it
Wow that's awesome. Even Thursday feels like such a long wait.
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Adami, I did not know you lived in SoCal as well
Why doesn't everyone already know everything about me?!?!?
Yea, I live in Alhambra.
Anyway, I was going to put off seeing this because of audiences, but then I remembered that you can pick reserve seats for IMAX. So I went and bought a nice ticket for a Sunday show at noon. Hopefully won't be packed with annoying adults.
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Yea, I live in Alhambra.
Oh, wow. I had no idea you were Chinese.
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Yea, I live in Alhambra.
Oh, wow. I had no idea you were Chinese.
Yup! After one year of living here I qualified for a Chinese passport.
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I had to marry in.
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I am going to a private screening in an hour. I would never do spoilers, but will just rate it
Well? What did you think of it, without giving anything away?
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Apparently the review embargo lifts in an hour at 12 am EST today. I will not be surprised if it's the best reviewed Star Wars movie so far.
Which means I'll have to stay away from social media and many websites, probably the internet in general until Thursday 8 pm.
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The reactions I've read from a lot of fans about a particular thing that happens in the film (I don't know what it is, as I'm avoiding spoilers) has been quite negative, so this might be a divisive one. Or maybe they're just over-reactive fanboys who are pre-judging a movie and trilogy based only on leaked plot points that don't line up with their own desires, so maybe they're full of shit. :lol
Not that I put any stock in that kind of opinion. I'll be going into it with an open mind, and I'm sure I'll at least like it.
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Reviews on Metacritic and Rottentomatoes so far appear to be on par with The Force Awakens and I've read a tweet or two from some people who saw it saying it's the most fun star wars yet. 48 hrs to go for my show!
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I'm seeing it later today hopefully!
I'll be posting my SPOILER FREE reactions, once i get back home..
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I'm debating whether or not to go to the midnight showing tonight. I'd probably be in pieces tomorrow at work.
We're booked to go next Saturday for my son's birthday, but the chances of staying unspoiled until then are pretty small.
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Going to the midnight showing tonight, have booked tomorrow morning off work. Really looking forward to this! 11 hours :metal
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Seeing it in 22 hours. No midnight screening for me, or else I'd be seeing it in 10 minutes. :biggrin:
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Grabbed tickets for tomorrow night at 10pm at the nice dine in theater :hat Hopefully will have the day off tomorrow and get a chance to re-watch TFA beforehand.
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So, i've seen it now...
I'm not sure, what to think of it at the moment. There is stuff that i loved, and stuff that i didn't like at all!
Like everyone has advertised, this is a very different kind of Star Wars movie. Whether that is good or bad is something everyone has to decide for themselves. Story goes to very unexpected directions..
Acting was great across the board, Kelly Marie Tran was my favorite new addition. I't is going to be very tough to talk anything about The Last Jedi without going to spoilers. I'm only going to say that (after the first viewing) i liked it, but didn't love it.
Also worth pointing out that this is not going to be a similar crowdpleaser like The Force Awakens. I can already see some fanboys being either very disappointed or very angry when they see this movie.
I have to sleep, and see it at least two more times to make my mind about it. But it is a great Star Wars movie!
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So, i've seen it now...
Like everyone has advertised, this is a very different kind of Star Wars movie. Story goes to very unexpected directions..
Also worth pointing out that this is not going to be a similar crowdpleaser like The Force Awakens.
My favorite parts of your review. Can't wait!!!!!
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I'm pretty intrigued by "unexpected" too. I'm hoping for some surprises and new directions in the story.
I think I'll go dark on this thread and come back when I've watched it.. :)
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I'm pretty intrigued by "unexpected" too. I'm hoping for some surprises and new directions in the story.
I think I'll go dark on this thread and come back when I've watched it.. :)
All of that.
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I just saw it.
There is one side story I didn't care for at all, but over all I really, REALLY liked it :laugh:
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New thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51448
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