Has anyone ever addressed the misprediction of the Eugenics Wars?
I could be off here, but doesn't First Contact take place int he aftermath of it?
How would it defeat the purpose of a reboot? I mean, the universe still has the same races/people in it. Khan is still alive out there somewhere on the Botany Bay in the reboot universe too.
I mean, I'm thrilled they're leaving it be, but I don't see how it defeats the purpose of a reboot. Unless you mean there's no point of a reboot if you're just going to re-hash old characters. In which case, well I wouldn't care but I'd be fine without any of them too.
I don't mean simply reusing old characters, which is fine in itself. I just mean if they're trying to break out and establish that this is a new Trek franchise, I think it would defeat the purpose to already have to be mining such an iconic and memorable villian from TOS/TWOK (especially on the same respective movie). I think it would come across as desperate, and show a lack of originality, plus you just can't compare to Montalban. It would pale in comparison.
That said, it would all come down to how they executed it, but I just don't think it's in their best interest to be using Khan, of all villians. Taking a different villian from TOS and turning that into something bigger could be a great idea. They could do Harry Mudd for all I care. Just not Khan.
The first thing they said regarding the bad guy, about a year ago was a list of candidates, and Mudd was one of them. As was Trelaine, who seems like a better fit for that British guy playing the villain. That's where my money was all along.
Good discussion, and totally agree. But, it wasn't just a problem of the redshirts, but really anybody who got a certain reputation from the onset (redshirts =security, Worf =strength) where they never actually spent any screen time showing them to their strength, but instead only showed how they got defeated in it.
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I suspect that's almost always the case in any tv show or moive. You really can't have your villains constantly getting beat up the first time they come across a security guy. They have to establish some sort of superiority, or else there's not really any story. That's why cops get killed on TV, and the detectives are the ones to show up and capture them. It makes sense that the redshirts would be the first to come across them, that's their job. As I recall, the difference in TNG is that the yellow shirts tend to just use phasers all the time rather than going toe-to-toe against somebody, and in shootouts they often get beaten just the same. People running amok on the Enterprise D usually manage to stun/kill a few of them and escape anyway.
And one of the things that always intrigued me about Worf was that as chief of security he seemed to get put down fairly often. How many times do people beam onto the bridge and capture everybody (or Piccard)? Last week it was a freaking Ferengi!. Worf shoots and misses and then gets stunned himself. I seem to recall that happening on a semi-regular basis.
When did they establish that humans lack the ability to do the nerve pinch?
And how the hell does John Luck Pickerd doing the nerve pinch make him godlike?
Spock once mind melded with a computer and a rock. That's fine? But Picard doing a technique that I find no reason for him not to do is pushing the limits?
They never established that they couldn't. It was more of a running joke. Still, it hadn't been done by humans before Picard suddenly develops the ability. While that doesn't make him Godlike, I do think TPTB were trying pretty hard to make him appear such, and that was another instance. Just my observation.
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