Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[son_ov_hades]

We may not know about that until they get back into the studio, for their next album, and, all of a sudden, decide to have Mangini to add backup vocals, then we can see what happens then.

Has Mangini ever done vocals, screaming ones for that matter? I mean, if he can sing harmonies, then that shouldn't be a problem, but I really doubt we'll be hearing anything like, "My brotha!" from him.

If Mangini tries to be Mikael Akerfeldt like Portnoy did they'd probably fire him on the spot. 

[RodrigoAltaf]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

[sneakyblueberry]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

I agree with this.  Like almost everything on SFAM Its such a blatant rip off, makes it hard to stomach.   

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now. 

[Lucien]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

I agree with this.  Like almost everything on SFAM Its such a blatant rip off, makes it hard to stomach.   

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Rip-off of what?

[jakepriest]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On

Couldn't agree more. Such an overrated song.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

I agree with this.  Like almost everything on SFAM Its such a blatant rip off, makes it hard to stomach.   

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Rip-off of what?

I would like to hear this, also. Scenes From A Memory isn't one of my favorite DT albums, but I hardly consider it derivative.

[sneakyblueberry]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

I agree with this.  Like almost everything on SFAM Its such a blatant rip off, makes it hard to stomach.   

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Rip-off of what?

I would like to hear this, also. Scenes From A Memory isn't one of my favorite DT albums, but I hardly consider it derivative.

Rage Against the Machine, Tool and the obligatory Zappa rips in there. Hard.  I must apologise for the Spirit Carries On claim; I was getting at the John & Theresa Solo spot thing in Live Scenes; Great Gig in the Sky much.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Don't listen to Zappa, or even RATM much, but Tool? That one part in Home? That makes the whole album a ripoff?

[sneakyblueberry]

Well, maybe not all of it, I take that back.  The little rip off riffs are part of the reason I don't really like SFAM.  That and the cheese.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

[BlobVanDam]

Here's another controversial opinion: I simply cannot stand The Spirit Carries On, and yet it seems they choose to play it every time I see them.

I agree with this.  Like almost everything on SFAM Its such a blatant rip off, makes it hard to stomach.   

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Rip-off of what?

I would like to hear this, also. Scenes From A Memory isn't one of my favorite DT albums, but I hardly consider it derivative.

Rage Against the Machine, Tool and the obligatory Zappa rips in there. Hard.  I must apologise for the Spirit Carries On claim; I was getting at the John & Theresa Solo spot thing in Live Scenes; Great Gig in the Sky much.

Nothing on SFAM sounds like RATM at all to me. First time I've ever heard that one!
And there's only one song that sounds sort of Tool influenced, and only because it uses the generic metal scale that every metal band uses, and Tool is the go-to band for any metal that doesn't specifically sound like any other metal band, because Tool is the most bland generic metal band around.
I've never heard any Zappa, but I know the instrumental section from BTL was intentionally inspired by Zappa, and it's one of my favourite parts of the album, so I can't say I have a problem with them drawing inspiration there.    DT usually does a good job of taking their influences and adding their own signature sound to it.

And TSCO is better than anything by the band that inspired it. Controversial opinions! 

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Tool, bland generic metal? That seems like an odd criticism to me, I've always found them to have a very distinctive sound.

[BlobVanDam]

Tool, bland generic metal? That seems like an odd criticism to me, I've always found them to have a very distinctive sound.

I've only ever recognized them by the distinct lack of any defining characteristics, basically by process of elimination. I guess the lack of defining characteristics is in itself a defining characteristic though.

[King Postwhore]

Just not your "cup of tea" blob.  Tool is very unique.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Interesting. I think their riffs, Carey's drum style, Maynard's vocals are all defining characteristics. That's opinions for you, though.

[orcus116]

Tool is most definitely unique. I've heard nothing like them except for Rishloo, who is a complete knockoff.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Okay, that I don't understand either.   The only Rishloo album I've heard is Feathergun, and it sounds nothing like Tool. Based on that album, actually, it seemed to me like Rishloo was far more diverse in their writing style, though that doesn't necessarily make their music any better or worse.

edit: Perhaps you're thinking of Karnivool? I haven't heard them, but I've heard them compared to Tool before.

[DTFan0789]

While we're still on the subject of Tool, I think that Dany Carey is an AMAZING drummer, but I just don't "get" their music. I've never heard them write a melody, and all Maynard does is talk/whine/yell throughout the songs. I can't in good conscience label him as a "singer", because I've never heard him sing an actual melody.

[Jaffa]

I know this is the controversial opinions thread, but honestly, some of these Tool opinions are making my brain hurt.

[DTFan0789]

Let's just all agree that Tool is a group of talented players who can't write a melody to save their lives and move on. 

[Tom Bombadil]

Not gonna agree with that one.

[TheGreatPretender]

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Dream Theater has always been about the musicianship first and foremost. They were never about "attitude", and they don't need to pretend to be badass or dark or "metal". They are what they are, and they deserve all the respect in the world for it. There are many metal bands out there who need that attitude because they need something to back up their mediocre playing. Dream Theater's music speaks for itself, and they don't need to be covered in tattoos and be obnoxiously outgoing.

[RodrigoAltaf]

 Just to clarify my opinion a few posts above, I donīt like The Spirit Carries On, but love all other songs on SFAM. I donīt think they copied anything on that album. If anything, there are several references to the melodies and riffs from Metropolis Part I, which I quit enjoy.

[adastra]

Just to clarify my opinion a few posts above, I donīt like The Spirit Carries On, but love all other songs on SFAM. I donīt think they copied anything on that album. If anything, there are several references to the melodies and riffs from Metropolis Part I, which I quit enjoy.

I have never liked "Home"  

[?]

I don't dislike TSCO, but it doesn't do anything to me and I've never fully grasped why it's so popular.

And TSCO is better than anything by the band that inspired it. Controversial opinions! 

Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall would like to have a word with you

[BlobVanDam]

I don't dislike TSCO, but it doesn't do anything to me and I've never fully grasped why it's so popular.

And TSCO is better than anything by the band that inspired it. Controversial opinions! 

Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall would like to have a word with you

Well they can talk to the hand, because I ain't listening.

[sneakyblueberry]

About DT not letting MP back, MM+DT is pretty much a band devoid of any sort of attitude, just a band of music nerds.  At least Portnoy brought an aspect of showmanship and attitude to the overall brand, and DT is missing that right now.

Dream Theater has always been about the musicianship first and foremost. They were never about "attitude", and they don't need to pretend to be badass or dark or "metal". They are what they are, and they deserve all the respect in the world for it. There are many metal bands out there who need that attitude because they need something to back up their mediocre playing. Dream Theater's music speaks for itself, and they don't need to be covered in tattoos and be obnoxiously outgoing.

I wouldn't call 'attitude' a need.  You're right, they don't need to hide behind the ''metal attitude'' to make up for dud playing.  But I think the MP 'attitude' stretches beyond outgoing, tatooness.  Its something thats missing from the music too, and I don't think the band is any better for having lost that dynamic. 

[jakepriest]

Sometimes I feel like Blob is controversial for the sake of controversial. 

[BlobVanDam]

Sometimes I feel like Blob is controversial for the sake of controversial. 

I swear I'm not! I just have very different musical tastes to prog fans.

[RodrigoAltaf]

Sometimes I feel like Blob is controversial for the sake of controversial. 

 If this is brought up by Blob saying DT is better than Pink Floyd, then count me in as controversial as well. Try as I might, I was never able to get into Floyd much.

[bl5150]

I'm a bit with Blob there too (although I love Gilmour's tone)  - and of course PF's best album is A Momentary Lapse of Reason   

[Sycsa]

Rage Against the Machine, Tool and the obligatory Zappa rips in there. Hard.  I must apologise for the Spirit Carries On claim; I was getting at the John & Theresa Solo spot thing in Live Scenes; Great Gig in the Sky much.

Most DT albums are chock full of references, obvious inspirations. With that mentality you could call their entire library of music a giant ripoff. They always had their own sound, but they never shied away from showing their influences and talking about them. I don't think that lessens their music, on the contrary, it gives it even more depth.

[sneakyblueberry]

Rage Against the Machine, Tool and the obligatory Zappa rips in there. Hard.  I must apologise for the Spirit Carries On claim; I was getting at the John & Theresa Solo spot thing in Live Scenes; Great Gig in the Sky much.

Most DT albums are chock full of references, obvious inspirations. With that mentality you could call their entire library of music a giant ripoff. They always had their own sound, but they never shied away from showing their influences and talking about them. I don't think that lessens their music, on the contrary, it gives it even more depth.

Cool.  I agree with you, its just something that bothers me about music, especially what I find in prog bands.  I remember seeing a chart during the making of some Between the Buried and Me album, and one of the songs was like:

Meshuggah riff x4
Megadeth Chorus
Dream Theater Instrumental section
etc.

That shit just irks me, it seems so counter-progressive, if that makes sense.  I saw a similar thing in Liquid Drum Theater where MP broke down, I think it was Home, in a similar way.  I guess thats where my disdain for SFAM came from.  I get that its 'references' and 'nods' or whatever, but it just seems cheap to me.  Opinions, assholes, etc. 

[?]

I think SFAM is one of the DT albums with least obvious references to other bands and in my view Octavarium is the album on which DT wore their influences on their sleeves most blatantly.

[sneakyblueberry]

Yeah.  I think the Home breakdown I was talking about on LDT was what set it concrete for me, but now that you mention it I'm inclined to agree with you.  I have a feeling if I watched that segment again it probably wouldn't even be that bad