New DT Live Album/DVD?

[KevShmev]

As much as id also like to see another day... I still haven't gotten to see my favorite dt song live yet so I'm pushing for learning to live. And since they've done it a handful of times with mm its a possibility.

As cool as it would be, I think WFS will be the only I&W song on this DVD, because every song has been on a DVD, except WFS

That's assuming the band now uses the same logic that Portnoy did when it came to deciding what songs to put on live DVDs.  Even though he usually did a good job with that, I think Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking in his later years in the band, which, for example, resulted in a mediocre anniversary set list for the Score concert.  It's like he was too worried with including a bunch of songs that had never been on a live DVD before instead of making the best set list possible, which is what a show celebrating the band's 20 years together should have had. 

[ResultsMayVary]

As much as id also like to see another day... I still haven't gotten to see my favorite dt song live yet so I'm pushing for learning to live. And since they've done it a handful of times with mm its a possibility.

As cool as it would be, I think WFS will be the only I&W song on this DVD, because every song has been on a DVD, except WFS

That's assuming the band now uses the same logic that Portnoy did when it came to deciding what songs to put on live DVDs.  Even though he usually did a good job with that, I think Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking in his later years in the band, which, for example, resulted in a mediocre anniversary set list for the Score concert.  It's like he was too worried with including a bunch of songs that had never been on a live DVD before instead of making the best set list possible, which is what a show celebrating the band's 20 years together should have had.

I thought the Score setlist was quite good.

[BlobVanDam]

As much as id also like to see another day... I still haven't gotten to see my favorite dt song live yet so I'm pushing for learning to live. And since they've done it a handful of times with mm its a possibility.

As cool as it would be, I think WFS will be the only I&W song on this DVD, because every song has been on a DVD, except WFS

That's assuming the band now uses the same logic that Portnoy did when it came to deciding what songs to put on live DVDs.  Even though he usually did a good job with that, I think Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking in his later years in the band, which, for example, resulted in a mediocre anniversary set list for the Score concert.  It's like he was too worried with including a bunch of songs that had never been on a live DVD before instead of making the best set list possible, which is what a show celebrating the band's 20 years together should have had.

I thought the Score setlist was quite good.

The Score setlist was very well thought out, pulling out rarities and B-sides from their entire career, having a song from every album era, and making the perfect choices for the orchestra for a one time opportunity to record Octavarium and SDOIT. Granted, I wasn't crazy about the entire setlist, especially the pre-IaW stuff, but it was very well thought out overall.

[robwebster]

I'm kinda with Kev - the logic's fine, but the mixture of songs was a bit... flat? Not a lot of fire.

I Walk Beside You, Afterlife, Innocence Faded, Vacant & The Answer Lies Within all on the same DVD... don't mind any of 'em, but it's hardly bringing out the big guns - fine on their own, but all in the same set? There's a lot of balladry going on, too.

Raise the Knife was a good call, but one-song-from-each-album wasn't unique to Score, they'd been doing that for the whole tour. I'd argue that the regular gig at the Hammersmith Apollo got a way better setlist. As did the Ytsejam Bootleg from that tour.

To take the Awake slot, they'd played The Mirror / Lie and Caught in a Web on this tour, neither of which had been on DVDs before, and CiaW had been cut from the last DVD and received a new arrangement this tour. More than anything I think the order just needed a bit of a lift somewhere. It's not a show I listen to very often.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm kinda with Kev - the logic's fine, but the mix was a bit... flat?

I Walk Beside You, Afterlife, Innocence Faded, Vacant & The Answer Lies Within all on the same DVD... don't mind any of 'em, but it's hardly bringing out the big guns. There's a lot of balladry going on, too.

Raise the Knife was a good call, but one-song-from-each-album wasn't unique to Score, they'd been doing that for the whole tour. Hammersmith Apollo got a way better setlist. As did the Ytsejam Bootleg from that tour.

What Ytse Jam bootleg? Santiago? Best. Show. Ever. I agree they had some better setlists, but I wouldn't say they were necessarily better setlists for that particular occasion.
I agree that IWBY wasn't a great pick, although they also had to cover some of the new Octavarium tracks too, so I can at least understand the logic there. I think IF was a good choice from Awake for the generally lighter atmosphere of the show, and showcased JLB at the top of his game. Vacant was a decent choice for the orchestra, although not too well executed, but the right choice considering they'd covered the rest of the album on the previous DVD. And I'm not a big fan of TALW, but to not do that with the orchestra would have been a wasted opportunity, so I support that choice too.

I think most of the songs had strong justification for a 20th anniversary concert and DVD, I just don't think it ended up being one of their better setlists for a regular show, if that makes sense.

[Shadow2222]

Score may have had a slightly more "lighthearted" approach to a setlist, but I think it perfectly suited the atmosphere of the venue and show itself.

[robwebster]

I'm kinda with Kev - the logic's fine, but the mix was a bit... flat?

I Walk Beside You, Afterlife, Innocence Faded, Vacant & The Answer Lies Within all on the same DVD... don't mind any of 'em, but it's hardly bringing out the big guns. There's a lot of balladry going on, too.

Raise the Knife was a good call, but one-song-from-each-album wasn't unique to Score, they'd been doing that for the whole tour. Hammersmith Apollo got a way better setlist. As did the Ytsejam Bootleg from that tour.

What Ytse Jam bootleg? Santiago? Best. Show. Ever. I agree they had some better setlists, but I wouldn't say they were necessarily better setlists for that particular occasion.
I agree that IWBY wasn't a great pick, although they also had to cover some of the new Octavarium tracks too, so I can at least understand the logic there. I think IF was a good choice from Awake for the generally lighter atmosphere of the show, and showcased JLB at the top of his game. Vacant was a decent choice for the orchestra, although not too well executed, but the right choice considering they'd covered the rest of the album on the previous DVD. And I'm not a big fan of TALW, but to not do that with the orchestra would have been a wasted opportunity, so I support that choice too.

I think most of the songs had strong justification for a 20th anniversary concert and DVD, I just don't think it ended up being one of their better setlists for a regular show, if that makes sense.

Yep - Santiago! Hammersmith Apollo's almost matched - we got Never Enough instead of I Walk Beside You, and didn't get Solitary Shell or The Spirit Carries On, but it's a killer set.

I do completely take your point, though - I get precisely what you mean. It was jubilant, so songs like the Spirit Carries On, Metropolis et al. are perfect for occasion. Favouring Innocence Faded over the other three makes sense, too, 'cos there's a lot more optimism in there. I would say, though, that for a show that celebrates 20 years of the band, there's not much... balance? It's a good enough party, but not a good mix. Never been my favourite setlist.

[BlobVanDam]

Yep - Santiago! Hammersmith Apollo's almost matched - we got Never Enough instead of I Walk Beside You, and didn't get Solitary Shell or The Spirit Carries On, but it's a killer set.

I do completely take your point, though - I get precisely what you mean. It was jubilant, so songs like the Spirit Carries On, Metropolis et al. are perfect for occasion. Favouring Innocence Faded over the other three makes sense, too, 'cos there's a lot more optimism in there. I would say, though, that for a show that celebrates 20 years of the band, there's not much... balance? It's a good enough party, but not a good mix. Never been my favourite setlist.

I totally agree it wasn't the best setlist, and it's never been my favourite setlist either, yet I've always felt it was a well selected setlist overall, all things considered. Maybe the occasion plus the need to justify hiring an orchestra for a night boxed them in a little bit in that regard, but I don't think something like the Santiago setlist would have been as appropriate for their 20th anniversary, even though it was the better setlist (aside from SDOIT in its entirety, which was a definite highlight of the night).

[Setlist Scotty]

Yep - Santiago! Hammersmith Apollo's almost matched - we got Never Enough instead of I Walk Beside You, and didn't get Solitary Shell or The Spirit Carries On, but it's a killer set.

I do completely take your point, though - I get precisely what you mean. It was jubilant, so songs like the Spirit Carries On, Metropolis et al. are perfect for occasion. Favouring Innocence Faded over the other three makes sense, too, 'cos there's a lot more optimism in there. I would say, though, that for a show that celebrates 20 years of the band, there's not much... balance? It's a good enough party, but not a good mix. Never been my favourite setlist.

I totally agree it wasn't the best setlist, and it's never been my favourite setlist either, yet I've always felt it was a well selected setlist overall, all things considered. Maybe the occasion plus the need to justify hiring an orchestra for a night boxed them in a little bit in that regard, but I don't think something like the Santiago setlist would have been as appropriate for their 20th anniversary, even though it was the better setlist (aside from SDOIT in its entirety, which was a definite highlight of the night).

I agree with what you're saying Blob - definitely not the best setlist, but for the occasion it works. Personally I would have rather seen Panic Attack instead of I Walk Beside You and Home instead of The Spirit Carries On, which would have beefed up the setlist in terms of heaviness. I don't think the setlist for the 2nd set could really be messed with since the songs chosen really do work well with the orchestra, tho I personally think Learning to Live would have been better than Metropolis.

[PetFish]

It's like he was too worried with including a bunch of songs that had never been on a live DVD before instead of making the best set list possible, which is what a show celebrating the band's 20 years together should have had.

Except that the "best set list possible" will be different for every DT fan.

I loved Score, what better way to celebrate 20 years together than the format of going waaaaaaaaaaay back and playing a song from each album?  I thought it was fun and unique and Another Won turns out to be one of my favourite songs that I had pushed aside up until Score.

If I had to bitch about something I'd bitch that on LaB they should not have played any of 6DoIT at all and used that time to play other songs if MP had been looking forward a couple of years but as it is we almost have 6DoIT twice in a row which I think is a royal waste of space.

[RaiseTheKnife]

Any more news as to which city will be taped? 

[KevShmev]

It's like he was too worried with including a bunch of songs that had never been on a live DVD before instead of making the best set list possible, which is what a show celebrating the band's 20 years together should have had.

Except that the "best set list possible" will be different for every DT fan.

Obviously, but far too many of the absolute fan favorites were not played at the Score show - Learning to Live, Pull Me Under (their biggest hit), Take the Time, Voices, The Glass Prison, Lines in the Sand, etc., all of which would have all rated very high back in 2006 (and still would).  Ignoring a bunch of fan favorites like that in lieu of songs like Innocence Faded (which I love, but let's face it, it has to be one of the least favorites from Awake), Vacant, The Answer Lies Within, etc. was a major blunder.  I am sure he put a lot of thinking into that set list, but, again, I think he became too worried about including songs which hadn't been on previous DVDs instead of making a true anniversary set list.  Imagine Rush having done their R30 tour and playing Show Don't Tell, Stick It Out and Test For Echo and not playing any of 2112, Xanadu, Tom Sawyer or The Spirit of Radio.

[Setlist Scotty]

Imagine Rush having done their R30 tour and playing Show Don't Tell, Stick It Out and Test For Echo and not playing any of 2112, Xanadu, Tom Sawyer or The Spirit of Radio.

Ha! Aside from Xanadu, I would have been up for that, tho gimme Cut to the Chase instead of Stick It Out! Seriously, I was extremely disappointed in the R30 setlist just because soooo many of the songs in the setlist were the same as on the Vapor Trails tour. That it was their 30th anniversary tour doesn't mean they need to play the same songs they always have - an anniversary tour means celebrating the life of the band in general. OTOH, if Rush or DT were to do a proper "Greatest Hits" tour, then you'd be correct.

[The Letter M]

Learning to Live, Pull Me Under (their biggest hit), Take the Time, Voices, The Glass Prison, Lines in the Sand, etc.

Good thing we got TTT and LITS on Chaos In Motion, along with "Scarred" and "Blind Faith".

I wouldn't mind having LTL and PMU on the next DVD, but with the likelihood that we'll get (at least) 7 of the 9 ADTOE songs on the set list, that's over half of the show, so choices are limited in terms of what other songs we'll get. I like the variety we've gotten in the past few live albums, so I hope they keep that up. The last few live Rush albums have all been VERY same-y, but DT keep it interesting.

-Marc.

[Setlist Scotty]

The last few live Rush albums have all been VERY same-y, but DT keep it interesting.

Not to get off topic, but if you were to take R30 out of the equation, I disagree. Sure they aren't as drastically different as DT's live releases, but they're a lot better than in the past, especially when comparing setlist to setlist of each subsequent tour from Counterparts on back (altho they didn't do live releases for every tour then, nor did the live albums feature the whole show, except for ATWAS).

[The Letter M]

The last few live Rush albums have all been VERY same-y, but DT keep it interesting.

Not to get off topic, but if you were to take R30 out of the equation, I disagree. Sure they aren't as drastically different as DT's live releases, but they're a lot better than in the past, especially when comparing setlist to setlist of each subsequent tour from Counterparts on back (altho they didn't do live releases for every tour then, nor did the live albums feature the whole show, except for ATWAS).

And live albums from Rush now are the whole show, but they gave us an 80-minute cut of the live shows, excluding songs they just released on the prior live album, I think we'd have some pretty awesome live releases. Instead, we're given 2-2.5 hour shows where half the show is comprised of songs that we've gotten over the last couple live albums. It's nice to hear the new stuff, and the reinterpretations, but then we get another TSOR and TS and LL and FW...at least CTTH was different last tour.

-Marc.

[Setlist Scotty]

The last few live Rush albums have all been VERY same-y, but DT keep it interesting.

Not to get off topic, but if you were to take R30 out of the equation, I disagree. Sure they aren't as drastically different as DT's live releases, but they're a lot better than in the past, especially when comparing setlist to setlist of each subsequent tour from Counterparts on back (altho they didn't do live releases for every tour then, nor did the live albums feature the whole show, except for ATWAS).

And live albums from Rush now are the whole show, but they gave us an 80-minute cut of the live shows, excluding songs they just released on the prior live album, I think we'd have some pretty awesome live releases. Instead, we're given 2-2.5 hour shows where half the show is comprised of songs that we've gotten over the last couple live albums. It's nice to hear the new stuff, and the reinterpretations, but then we get another TSOR and TS and LL and FW...at least CTTH was different last tour.

-Marc.

True - there will always be the "perennial favorites" that Rush feels obligated to play and you can expect them on every live release from here on out since their live releases now feature the whole show, but at least for the rest of the set (which I'd wager is roughly 2/3 to 3/4), it's not so set in stone. Still not as good as DT, but definitely better.

[BlobVanDam]

Imagine Rush having done their R30 tour and playing Show Don't Tell, Stick It Out and Test For Echo and not playing any of 2112, Xanadu, Tom Sawyer or The Spirit of Radio.

Ha! Aside from Xanadu, I would have been up for that, tho gimme Cut to the Chase instead of Stick It Out! Seriously, I was extremely disappointed in the R30 setlist just because soooo many of the songs in the setlist were the same as on the Vapor Trails tour. That it was their 30th anniversary tour doesn't mean they need to play the same songs they always have - an anniversary tour means celebrating the life of the band in general. OTOH, if Rush or DT were to do a proper "Greatest Hits" tour, then you'd be correct.

And I think that DT are definitely a band that don't rely on playing "favourites" with their songs. They're not a hits band, and I think it's almost futile to try and decide a setlist of favourites, because it's not as relevant a notion for a band like DT, where almost every song gets its fair share of love. I think for their anniversary show it's more of a testament to their legacy and fanbase that they can pull out obscure or rare songs and have them still known and appreciated. DT are not AC/DC. They don't need to play their "Back in Black" every single show, or even DVD.
It would be refreshing to see the next live DVD not include Metropolis or PMU for a change, actually!

[KevShmev]

Rush has definitely done an awesome job over the last decade of always play a good mix of the classics that will keep the casual fans happy, new stuff, and plenty of deep cuts that keep the diehards happy (Between the Wheels, Entre Nous, Mystic Rhythms, Circumstances, A Passage to Bangkok, Mission, Marathon, The Camera Eyes, etc,), while always playing a little bit from every era.  R30 is actually my least favorite of the four set lists, despite the awesomeness of the R30 Overture, so I am with ya on that one, Scotty.  Them not including the whole show and, like you said, many of the songs already being on the Rio DVD make it the least essential of the four newer ones. 

I'd love to see DT pull out The Mirror and Lie for the tour this summer and for them to make it on the new live DVD. Those songs played together are waaaaaay overdue to make it on to one.

[Scorpion]

I'd love to see DT pull out The Mirror and Lie for the tour this summer and for them to make it on the new live DVD. Those songs played together are waaaaaay overdue to make it on to one.

This. Both songs are awesome, but back to back, they win even harder.

[Kotowboy]

I can understand the thinking behind not wanting to do the same set twice in the same town / city.

But then - if you're a fan - you don't go to hear 14 B Sides and Covers - You go to hear the hits.

And not playing the same set every night - If you don't want to hear the same set twice - don't buy tickets for two nights on the trot !!

When I was in a regularly gigging band - everyone turned out to hear the songs and we pretty much played the same songs at every gig unless we'd written a new one.

They still loved every minute of it...

[BlackInk]

I just don't want it to be like the Chaos In Motion DVD with it being filmed at a various different cities, though I have a feeling this is how it's going to be.

[lyfeternl]

I just don't want it to be like the Chaos In Motion DVD with it being filmed at a various different cities, though I have a feeling this is how it's going to be.

Don't jinx it! Honestly, for me, nothing has yet to beat Live at Budokan.

I would love for this live album to be on the same level and mode as Budokan (i.e. Single show recording, Amazing quality, Great Bonus Footage/Extras/Goodies!

*sigh* One can dream (theater)...

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Learning to Live, Pull Me Under (their biggest hit), Take the Time, Voices, The Glass Prison, Lines in the Sand, etc.

Good thing we got TTT and LITS on Chaos In Motion, along with "Scarred" and "Blind Faith".

Pretty mediocre versions, IMO, considering James' bad vocal performance.

Don't get me wrong, I love JLB, but that DVD was a bad patch for him. If I were MP, I wouldn't have released that officially, maybe just as a Ytse Jam bootleg because of the bad quality in some of the DVD's aspects.

[Tomislav95]

Learning to Live, Pull Me Under (their biggest hit), Take the Time, Voices, The Glass Prison, Lines in the Sand, etc.

Good thing we got TTT and LITS on Chaos In Motion, along with "Scarred" and "Blind Faith".

Pretty mediocre versions, IMO, considering James' bad vocal performance.

Don't get me wrong, I love JLB, but that DVD was a bad patch for him. If I were MP, I wouldn't have released that officially, maybe just as a Ytse Jam bootleg because of the bad quality in some of the DVD's aspects.

MP relased it because of JLB's bad performance

[BlobVanDam]

Learning to Live, Pull Me Under (their biggest hit), Take the Time, Voices, The Glass Prison, Lines in the Sand, etc.

Good thing we got TTT and LITS on Chaos In Motion, along with "Scarred" and "Blind Faith".

Pretty mediocre versions, IMO, considering James' bad vocal performance.

Don't get me wrong, I love JLB, but that DVD was a bad patch for him. If I were MP, I wouldn't have released that officially, maybe just as a Ytse Jam bootleg because of the bad quality in some of the DVD's aspects.

MP relased it because of JLB's bad performance

I hope that was a joke, because that's just plain ridiculous.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

[Tomislav95]

 
Based on bootlegs and things I read I think that JLB's performance on CiM tour was better than on DVD. I'm just wondering why they chose worst performance for DVD. That is my opinion, I'm sorry if that spite you.

[The Letter M]

Based on bootlegs and things I read I think that JLB's performance on CiM tour was better than on DVD. I'm just wondering why they chose worst performance for DVD. That is my opinion, I'm sorry if that spite you.

It may have had something to do with audio quality from the soundboards? I guess they had to choose between what was readily available, and sounded good, and looked good, and they picked the best balance of all of that to choose for the DVD? At least the CD has a different show of "Blind Faith"/"Surrounded", and I only ever listen to the CDs anyway, and I think he sounds fine on there.

-Marc.

[BlobVanDam]

Based on bootlegs and things I read I think that JLB's performance on CiM tour was better than on DVD. I'm just wondering why they chose worst performance for DVD. That is my opinion, I'm sorry if that spite you.

I recall that MP said in interviews that they chose the songs based primarily on video quality, rather than the audio, which is probably why the CD had a couple of different versions to the DVD.
And when you consider the video quality of what made it onto the set, imagine the quality of the stuff that didn't!

[cramx3]

Based on bootlegs and things I read I think that JLB's performance on CiM tour was better than on DVD. I'm just wondering why they chose worst performance for DVD. That is my opinion, I'm sorry if that spite you.

I recall that MP said in interviews that they chose the songs based primarily on video quality, rather than the audio, which is probably why the CD had a couple of different versions to the DVD.
And when you consider the video quality of what made it onto the set, imagine the quality of the stuff that didn't!

Lol true. The rest must have been unwatchable since the DVD is pretty bad. I'm hoping for a budokan like DVD. Great picture and sound . I prefer one show but I would think filming both Huntington shows and mixing them to one DVD would work well too.

[Tomislav95]

I would like something like Budokan with footage from tour

[jingle.boy]

Based on bootlegs and things I read I think that JLB's performance on CiM tour was better than on DVD. I'm just wondering why they chose worst performance for DVD. That is my opinion, I'm sorry if that spite you.

It may have had something to do with audio quality from the soundboards? I guess they had to choose between what was readily available, and sounded good, and looked good, and they picked the best balance of all of that to choose for the DVD? At least the CD has a different show of "Blind Faith"/"Surrounded", and I only ever listen to the CDs anyway, and I think he sounds fine on there.

-Marc.

As I recall, both Blind Faith and Surrounded were from Toronto (I was at the show).  Don't think it had to do with the sound board... he was very much out of tune on those two songs in particular.  I wasn't aware that they pulled from different shows for the CD.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Whatever it was for the last dvd, I just pray in the name of everything that is holy that he doesn't mess up this upcoming DVD. I'm looking forward to this shit as much as I looked forward to the actual show. I'll be extremely unhappy if he gives a bad performance on it 

[Jamariquay]

I'm not too worried about the performance being bad for the upcoming DVD. Chances are, it'll be a set of (mostly) songs they've played every night beforehand, so they'll be all warmed up. Not like the Chaos In Motion tour, where the set was changed around every night, so having an off night was much more likely. That primarily applies to James, but it certainly couldn't have helped anyone else either.

Of course, the Chaos In Motion DVD had other problems besides bad performances. Namely, bad video, bad sound, bad editing. The setlist was pretty though.

Ahem. Anyway. Just give me a full "Evening With" set for the DVD, plus whatever bonus tracks or extras they think appropriate, and make sure you spend the appropriate amount of time mixing it (or whatever, I don't know audio production terms), and I'll be happy.