2022 NFL Thread (Chiefs win Super Bowl 57)

[TAC]

Kev, at least you can watch the Blues. The Bruins game is on fucking ESPN+ tonight. I can't even watch them.

[KevShmev]

I already shut the Blues off.  Up 1-0 after the 1st, they are now down 1-4 late in the 2nd.  They suck swamp water. 

[King Postwhore]

Tell me about it Tim.  I pay cable to watch sports and now they are trying to extort more money out of us. Pisses me off. 

[TheCountOfNYC]

Tell me about it Tim.  I pay cable to watch sports and now they are trying to extort more money out of us. Pisses me off.

I pay for the Hulu bundle with Disney+, ESPN+, and live television. It costs me 80 bucks a month where cable would cost me over 100 a month in addition to having to pay for streaming services. The only thing I can’t watch is when the Rangers are on MSG.

[King Postwhore]

Tell me about it Tim.  I pay cable to watch sports and now they are trying to extort more money out of us. Pisses me off.

I pay for the Hulu bundle with Disney+, ESPN+, and live television. It costs me 80 bucks a month where cable would cost me over 100 a month in addition to having to pay for streaming services. The only thing I can’t watch is when the Rangers are on MSG.

And it shouldn't be like that. You shouldn't be penalized by your hometown teams. Cable/streaming is a monopoly.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Tell me about it Tim.  I pay cable to watch sports and now they are trying to extort more money out of us. Pisses me off.

I pay for the Hulu bundle with Disney+, ESPN+, and live television. It costs me 80 bucks a month where cable would cost me over 100 a month in addition to having to pay for streaming services. The only thing I can’t watch is when the Rangers are on MSG.

And it shouldn't be like that. You shouldn't be penalized by your hometown teams. Cable/streaming is a monopoly.

That’s James Dolan for you. The greediest owner in both the NHL and NBA. And the Hulu package made me cut cable for good and I’m saving money, so outside of Dolan being a prick I have no complaints.

[Dublagent66]

Tonight is a good example of why the game being on Prime is annoying.

The Blues are on.

The World Series is on.

Even though the football game is a meh one, I'd like to check it out here and there...but I can't just flip to the stupid Prime for 30 seconds and flip back. 

Thus, I am not watching any of the football game.

I have Prime on my PS5.  All I have to do is hit the source button on the remote to flip back and forth.  Piece O' cake. 

[El Barto]

I run everything through my computer. I'd have all three games on. If one of them suddenly becomes interesting just drag it to the big screen and turn the volume up. 

[ReaperKK]

The Panthers should be dissolved as a team, this is just embarrassing

[TAC]

Wow. The Pats have won the last two weeks because they played 2 QB's that actually sucked worse than Mac Jones. He ain't the answer.

[El Barto]

Wow. The Pats have won the last two weeks because they played 2 QB's that actually sucked worse than Mac Jones. He ain't the answer.

We saw last year Mac Jones is capable of playing very good football. Far better than what he's shown this year. I know you're going to say he sucks, and Joe's going to blame Belichick and the other coaches, but it's honestly a little premature to be drawing conclusions about his long-term viability. Personally, I hope he runs screaming from NE and goes on to have a great career with somebody else. He's getting a shit deal there, particularly from the fans.

Objectively, it might be the weight he put on, dunno, but something screwed up his mechanics. Last year he had superb touch with the ball. He was placing the ball nearly perfectly most of the time. That's been absent this year. He's throwing behind his receivers now. His accuracy has gone from superb to shit. That's something he can work out.

[TAC]

Adam Achelletta was dead on today during the game. If Mac's first read isn't there, he turtles. If because of the change in coaching staff, we look at this as his rookie year, then fine.
But I'm just calling him extremely average, and I don't think his ceiling will be very high. I hope he gets enough experience to attain the knowledge needed but I can also see time running out on him. We'll see I guess.

And "very good football" is an exaggeration, no? He faded pretty hard down the stretch.

[Skeever]

Well God damn the Jets are real

[El Barto]

Adam Achelletta was dead on today during the game. If Mac's first read isn't there, he turtles. If because of the change in coaching staff, we look at this as his rookie year, then fine.
But I'm just calling him extremely average, and I don't think his ceiling will be very high. I hope he gets enough experience to attain the knowledge needed but I can also see time running out on him. We'll see I guess.

And "very good football" is an exaggeration, no? He faded pretty hard down the stretch.

The rest of the team faded more than he did last year. Mostly the D. While he wasn't airing it out last year, he was making very good reads, very good decisions, and throwing the ball with superb accuracy.

Also, within 3 minutes of Archelletta saying that Mac checked down and hit Jonnu Smith for a long gain. In truth, part of the issue is that the patchwork O-line might give him time, or it might not. Hard to be consistent when you don't know what you got. I'll be curious to see how he looks next year after they bring in a decent tackle to block for him. Assuming, that is, that Patriots fans don't burn his house down and ride him out of town tarred and feathered. Starting to look kind of likely.

[TAC]

It's not really a patchwork O-line. Ferentz (a veteran) was in for Andrews. This biggest issue for the O-line is that there's no O-line coach.

[KevShmev]

Aaron Rodgers should just retire tomorrow. He looks awful.

Nice win for the Jets. Bills looking a bit too arrogant again after that win over KC.

Rams/Bucs game already unwatchable due to Romo constantly slurping TB12.

[King Postwhore]

I blame the coaching staff because they are obviously not playing to Mac's strengths.

[TAC]

I blame the coaching staff because they are obviously not playing to Mac's strengths.

His strengths are having great protection and having his first read wide open.

[King Postwhore]

I do agree about the o line not playing well at all.

I blame the coaching staff because they are obviously not playing to Mac's strengths.

His strengths are having great protection and having his first read wide open.

That's not true. They had multiple replays when he had time you could see him scanning the field.

[TAC]

I do agree about the o line not playing well at all.

I blame the coaching staff because they are obviously not playing to Mac's strengths.

His strengths are having great protection and having his first read wide open.

That's not true. They had multiple replays when he had time you could see him scanning the field.

He's not decisive.

[King Postwhore]

That's a problem with the coaching staff. They need to adjust to his strengths.   He's a play action guy and also like El Barto said, the o line is Swiss cheese. 

[KevShmev]

Patriots are sitting at 5-4, so I would say, be happy, eh?

Meanwhile, the doofus otherwise known as John McDaniel took over a playoff team with an above average QB and was handed a top 3 NFL WR as an addition...and is 2-6.  I love it. 

[TAC]

That's a problem with the coaching staff. They need to adjust to his strengths.   He's a play action guy and also like El Barto said, the o line is Swiss cheese. 

He's never going to be more than average, but I'm the yahoo I guess. 

[KevShmev]

That's a problem with the coaching staff. They need to adjust to his strengths.   He's a play action guy and also like El Barto said, the o line is Swiss cheese. 

He's never going to be more than average, but I'm the yahoo I guess. 

I generally agree with your take on Jones.  How he looked at his best last year is probably as good as he will ever be in the NFL, and he looks like the kind of QB you don't want if the game goes off script.  He basically has to be coached up to the max to be good as an NFL QB.

[TAC]

That's a problem with the coaching staff. They need to adjust to his strengths.   He's a play action guy and also like El Barto said, the o line is Swiss cheese. 

He's never going to be more than average, but I'm the yahoo I guess. 

I generally agree with your take on Jones.  How he looked at his best last year is probably as good as he will ever be in the NFL, and he looks like the kind of QB you don't want if the game goes off script.  He basically has to be coached up to the max to be good as an NFL QB.

I mean, he's awesome if you need a FG. The only TD the O scored was thanks to a ST play on a punt.

I don't think this was the first game either that the D has scored as many TD's as the O.

[El Barto]

Meanwhile, the doofus otherwise known as John McDaniel took over a playoff team with an above average QB and was handed a top 3 NFL WR as an addition...and is 2-6.  I love it. 

After poaching several assistants I've got no sympathy for the guy. Honestly not sure what the problem is there, but I picked JAX today on the basis that the team was falling apart, and that does seem to be the case. It's not quite '10 Cowboys level yet, but I could see it going that way. It's getting close to him being out, regardless of Davis's assurances.

I generally agree with your take on Jones.  How he looked at his best last year is probably as good as he will ever be in the NFL, and he looks like the kind of QB you don't want if the game goes off script.  He basically has to be coached up to the max to be good as an NFL QB.

His best last year will be pretty good on most teams. In NE and its traditionally strong D and run games he'd be great. That doesn't mean HOFer, of course, but far from the bust people are making him out to be.

[TAC]

Mac Jones is 5th in the league in INTs despite only playing 5 games and getting bailed out on a RTP penalty last week.

Also...3 TDs 7 Int  73.1 QBR

8 Offensive TD's in 5 games.

Not. Good.


It's not all Mac's fault as the coaching staff should be embarrassed. But he's not helping in any way. That's all I'm saying. Again, his rookie year, as I look at it. But I am concerned.

[KevShmev]

Meanwhile, the doofus otherwise known as John McDaniel took over a playoff team with an above average QB and was handed a top 3 NFL WR as an addition...and is 2-6.  I love it. 

After poaching several assistants I've got no sympathy for the guy. Honestly not sure what the problem is there, but I picked JAX today on the basis that the team was falling apart, and that does seem to be the case. It's not quite '10 Cowboys level yet, but I could see it going that way. It's getting close to him being out, regardless of Davis's assurances.

 

I picked the Raiders to win today, simply because of how atrocious the Jags have been lately, and they couldn't even win that one.

[El Barto]

Mac Jones is 5th in the league in INTs despite only playing 5 games and getting bailed out on a RTP penalty last week.

Also...3 TDs 7 Int  73.1 QBR

8 Offensive TD's in 5 games.

Not. Good.


It's not all Mac's fault as the coaching staff should be embarrassed. But he's not helping in any way. That's all I'm saying. Again, his rookie year, as I look at it. But I am concerned.

At a minimum 3 of those picks weren't on him. Receivers and referees own a few of those. As I said 2 weeks ago, a couple of the picks have been shockingly bad, though. Definitely not good, but fair is fair.

Presumably they get O'Brien next year and I'm quite curious to see how that works out. I suppose the return of JMD is a possibility, but I'm not betting on it.

[TAC]

Mac Jones is 5th in the league in INTs despite only playing 5 games and getting bailed out on a RTP penalty last week.

Also...3 TDs 7 Int  73.1 QBR

8 Offensive TD's in 5 games.

Not. Good.


It's not all Mac's fault as the coaching staff should be embarrassed. But he's not helping in any way. That's all I'm saying. Again, his rookie year, as I look at it. But I am concerned.

At a minimum 3 of those picks weren't on him. Receivers and referees own a few of those. As I said 2 weeks ago, a couple of the picks have been shockingly bad, though. Definitely not good, but fair is fair.

Presumably they get O'Brien next year and I'm quite curious to see how that works out. I suppose the return of JMD is a possibility, but I'm not betting on it.

Unless the players revolt, I can't see JMD being fired.

Is it possible to form an opinion?

Do you think he's good enough to be the long term solution for the Patriots at QB?
If the answer is I don't know or we'll see, then I actually think that's telling.

If you think he's the guy, that's fine.
I don't though.

[TAC]

It is amazing how bad the Bucs' O is. Lots of drops today.

[KevShmev]

It is amazing how bad the Bucs' O is. Lots of drops today.

Tony Romo, is that you? 

[El Barto]

Mac Jones is 5th in the league in INTs despite only playing 5 games and getting bailed out on a RTP penalty last week.

Also...3 TDs 7 Int  73.1 QBR

8 Offensive TD's in 5 games.

Not. Good.


It's not all Mac's fault as the coaching staff should be embarrassed. But he's not helping in any way. That's all I'm saying. Again, his rookie year, as I look at it. But I am concerned.

At a minimum 3 of those picks weren't on him. Receivers and referees own a few of those. As I said 2 weeks ago, a couple of the picks have been shockingly bad, though. Definitely not good, but fair is fair.

Presumably they get O'Brien next year and I'm quite curious to see how that works out. I suppose the return of JMD is a possibility, but I'm not betting on it.

Unless the players revolt, I can't see JMD being fired.

Is it possible to form an opinion?

I think we might be seeing the beginnings of the revolution. I'm not in the lockerroom so I obviously don't know, but once a team gives up on a coach it's all over. We saw that in Dallas, and that may be happening there. As he showed in Denver, JMD isn't the most inspiring guy in the world, so holding on to them might be difficult. The team's got some talent, they can't win, and he doesn't have any answers. "Them's the breaks" only takes you so far.

Do you think he's good enough to be the long term solution for the Patriots at QB?
If the answer is I don't know or we'll see, then I actually think that's telling.

If you think he's the guy, that's fine.
I don't though.

I don't know and we'll see, though I have no idea what that says. He is not Tom Brady, and if anybody thought that they were silly. The thing is, 49 teams have won superbowls without having Tom Brady playing QB. He doesn't need to be. In NE it's a very different metric.  NE has always been about executing on all three phases of the game, which is something most teams can't/don't do. Mac just has to be the guy who has the offense playing well, not great, and he's likely to have a fair amount of help along the way.  He might be that guy.

[TheCountOfNYC]

I have no idea who this Jets team is, all I know is that they’re 6-3 and firmly in the playoff race.

[TAC]

Jeesh, who is Romo rooting for? He looked like his dog died on the previous possession.
Seems quite happy now.