Official NHL 2015-2016 Thread

[SchecterShredder]

  DAMN YOU CHIARELLI!!

Get used to it!

Just wait till he overpays Lucic. WTF. He has now traded BOTH Seguin and Hall!


Lots of WOW going on and it's only Wednesday. Can't wait for Friday!!!

Yeah I expect they already have a wink, wink, nudge, nudge agreement with Lucic given that he and Demers got the red carpet treatment from the Oilers when they were in town yesterday. Lucic will probably get  a 6x6 contract, unfortunately.

[Nick]

So, I just got home from vacation (and not checking news) for 5 days. Holy crap, two huge trades. The Habs/Preds swap is a toss up, but man, Edmonton gave away Hall. Larson is good, but not 1 for 1 for Hall good. That's still not on the level of fleecing Detroit gave Phoenix at the draft, but wow.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up

How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted.

[TAC]

LieLow, I'll ask again. What's the backstory up there on why they'd trade Subban?

[SchecterShredder]

LieLow, I'll ask again. What's the backstory up there on why they'd trade Subban?

My take? His generous donations to Montreal hospitals was making the rest of the team feel guilty, so they forced Bergevin to get rid of him.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Other than what I said before? There were always rumours that the management hated PK for whatever reason. I'm not sure you could say that's totally a case, but it looks possible in hindsight. Honestly the only logical explanation which you can reach from looking at the past is that Habs management favours grit and "leadership" over skill. The future looks bleak. Price pls stay healthy so things hurt just a little less.


Also, Bergevin's wiki page has been wiped and replaced by "Failure of a GM". Guy has gone from hero to zero in a pinch.

[King Postwhore]

The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up

How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted.

I completely agree with you dumb move by the Habs management.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Preds get Subban for age 27-33. Montreal gets Weber for 31-40. I need to stop reading these things and making myself sadder.

[TAC]

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957

[Nick]

The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up

How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted.

I'm not sugar coating anything. Right now Shea Weber is definitely the better defenseman, with a better shot. Subban has great offensive maneuverability for sure.

The Habs got a better D-man with a better cap hit. That said, Weber's deal goes on far longer, and he plays a physical style, so he might become a liability near the end of it. Subban should be as good or better than he is now for a large chunk of his contract. Habs are better off now, but Preds will be better off 3-5 years from now. It really is a pretty nice hockey trade, albeit a very shocking one.

[Nick]

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957

This is spot on. You're getting Lucic, you have a ton of young O, and you need D. It makes total sense to trade O for D, but this trade is awful.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Sorry but that just ain't right. Unless you value defensemen entirely on physicaity and size there's absolutely no way to come to this conclusion with a good amount of knowledge on both players. There was a time when Weber was the best defender in the league, but he's nowhere near it now, and only keeps that reputation through people thinking hitting hard is how you play good defense. He wasn't even the best defenseman on his team when this went down.

Also, even the normally calming voice in Montreal writing has lost it.

[King Postwhore]

Shea's play will deteriorate very fast with his age. Btw Nick, look at his season last year.  I see it with Chara over the last few years.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Shea's play will deteriorate very fast with his age. Btw Nick, look at his season last year.  I see it with Chara over the last few years.

Yeah this is the problem. If we were trading Subban for the Weber of a few years ago I'd still be sad because it's Subby and Weber's contract is still outrageous, but that would be fine because it would likely improve out team. Weber is on a rapid decline.

[King Postwhore]

Also his contract is going to 2026.  Daaaaaammmnnnnnn!!!!

[TAC]

Hey Joe, Chiarelli WTF??

[King Postwhore]

You listening to F&M?  I love hearing Tony losing it.

[TAC]

You listening to F&M?  I love hearing Tony losing it.

Watching it. They made those announcements just as I was on my exit home. I'm going between them and the NHL network. I also have TSN's twitter feed up on my computer.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Hall basically said he's taking trade as "an indictment of me as a hockey player". Clearly wants to prove Oilers made a mistake.

Now we have to play angry Taylor Hall 4 times a year. This day just keeps getting worse.

EDIT: And there you have it. 

[SchecterShredder]

Hall basically said he's taking trade as "an indictment of me as a hockey player". Clearly wants to prove Oilers made a mistake.

Now we have to play angry Taylor Hall 4 times a year. This day just keeps getting worse.

EDIT: And there you have it. 

In Chia's presser he mentioned that Hall was pissed about the trade; thought he was part of the solution, not the problem in Edmonton.

[SchecterShredder]

Poor Hall. He'll likely get a standing ovation on his first visit to Edmonton, then booed mercilessly every time he touches the puck afterward. Good thing NJ only comes to town once per season.

[KevShmev]

I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him.

Don't even mention that. I would pass out.

[King Postwhore]

I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him.

Kev, we took Ken Linseman with open arms.  Chris Nilan as well sucka!!

[TAC]

I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him.

Honestly, everyone I know LOVES Subban, as do I.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Kinda sad people are gonna be sour on Weber just because of the circumstances. I hate the trade passionately but I'm still hoping Weber kills it for Montreal.

EDIT: Press conference was a joke. Full of non-answers and Bergevin trying so hard to justify himself and not doing a good job at all. He basically said at one point "Shea Weber is a great player, but we can't tell you why". What?!

EDIT 498540: Obviously too early to make such a hasty statement, but I wouldn't be too shocked if it holds true (well almost, Roy would be worse). I'd say it probably won't end up holding true, but if Weber keeps declining like he has been... But for the time being it's not like this trade effectively closes our cup window, although it definitely shortens it.

[SystematicThought]

Not looking forward to facing Shea's slap shot more often.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Yeah, no use hiding the fact that there I do feel a shred of excitement. A shred in a massive sea of disappointment but, a little excitement.

[King Postwhore]

I don't blame you.  He was the face of the franchise.   He was the thorn in many teams side. It seems wrong.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Yeah. At least one positive about Weber is that the East is less rough of a conference, so maybe that'll slow his decline a bit.

[King Postwhore]

I feel shamed to read that as a B's fan.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I hate to make so many posts on this topic, but hear is a spreadsheet showing the cap recapture Nashville will incur if Weber retires prematurely or is bought out.



If he retires a year before the contract ends, the Preds incur a cap penalty of $24,571,428!!!! If he stayed with the Preds, it'd only be about 3 million dollars. That would be absolutely crippling for Nashville. Not my team, but still how was something like this allowed to happen? Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.

[TAC]

Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.

Yeah, but they get the better player, so maybe that was the equalizer.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.

Yeah, but they get the better player, so maybe that was the equalizer.

Yeah, exactly. You know they're confident when they're willing to risk such a potentially crippling penalty. Montreal could potentially threaten to buy him out for a trade back down the line. They could have Nashville by the balls, even if it's a dirty move.

EDIT: Scratch that. He'd need to be waived first. Oh well.

[mikeyd23]

Weber will start to trend downward in the next 2 or 3 years pretty significantly, like King said, comparably to Chara. Subban's got a lot more upside (aside from the fact that he is a better d-man right now) moving forward. I can't see how this trade made sense up in Montreal.

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957

Great article, the chart there is incredible, showing Hall 3rd in 5-on-5 scoring over the past 4 seasons per 60...Behind only Sid and Benn. And you trade that guy, straight up, for Larrson?! No way...