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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: zerogravityfat on June 27, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
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Old thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41864.0
Now that the draft is over, it is time to start a new thread. What did you think about your team's picks, what are the thoughts for the new season?
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Really like th Sharks picks and can't wait for some of young guys, new and old learn and shine, and also confident in the vets DAT JUMBO JOE. Only things the Sharks really need to figure out is goalie situation and get one more piece of Defense we need.
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Not getting more for Talbot was awful. Trading Hagelin was even worse. This past season felt like it was the Rangers' year up until they were eliminated. This coming year most definitely isn't.
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Loved how the Blues did nothing to change their current roster. Clearly they're happy fleecing the fans with an entertaining regular season and then dicking off in the playoffs.
Very close to having many free nights which used to be spent watching Blues hockey next season.
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The Blue Jackets need to get rid of or trade 1-2 (preferably 2-3) roster forwards and need to trade for some defense.
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Loved how the Blues did nothing to change their current roster. Clearly they're happy fleecing the fans with an entertaining regular season and then dicking off in the playoffs.
Very close to having many free nights which used to be spent watching Blues hockey next season.
(https://lygsbtd.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/stupidity1.jpg)
That pretty much sums up the current St. Louis Blues regime. They aren't getting a dime from me any time soon.
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They could've done what the Bruins did which is..well... I'm not sure WTF they did!
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They could've done what the Bruins did which is..well... I'm not sure WTF they did!
All of N.E. was ok until they used the picks instead of making a trade. Then were we all WTF. :lol
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They could've done what the Bruins did which is..well... I'm not sure WTF they did!
All of N.E. was ok until they used the picks instead of making a trade. Then were we all WTF. :lol
The only puzzling part to me is what picks they made. Two of the guys were ranked way below when they were picked. Surely they could have traded at least one of those picks back and got an extra selection.
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I'm happy with what the Isles did, going from having 0 picks in the 1st round to 2. Picked up 2 nice forward prospects in exchange for a young Dman who wasn't developing quite the way they'd hoped.
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They could've done what the Bruins did which is..well... I'm not sure WTF they did!
All of N.E. was ok until they used the picks instead of making a trade. Then were we all WTF. :lol
Eh IMO there was nothing that possibly could have been done to make the Hamilton trade worthwhile. The Lucic trade was a pretty good trade though.
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If you're gonna start a new thread, at least do it right. :p
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We're finally rid of Zac Rinaldo, and he went to Boston, and we got a 3rd round pick?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOLBruins
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We're finally rid of Zac Rinaldo, and he went to Boston, and we got a 3rd round pick?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOLBruins
Yeah, wtf Sweeney. :lol Well I guess now I have nothing to hate about Philly anymore.
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Bruins :facepalm:
Zac Rinaldo sucks. Seriously.
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Like you can't go out and find a Shaun Thornton like player for $900,000 and not give up a pick. WTFlagnar.
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Help me pick a team. Love hockey and want to get behind a team like I do the Orioles and Ravens. K thanx.
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I assume you're in the Maryland area. Washington Capitals? I know you like football, and Alex Ovechkin plays like a fullback on skates and is supremely popular. Probably the best shot in the league. Other standouts on that team are their goalie Braden Holtby (so cool) and their Swedish playmaking centerman Nicklas Backstrom (who I'm sure you've seen in all those geico commercials ).
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Yeah I'd go for the Caps. Ovechkin is probably my favourite non-Hab and is one of the best goal scorers in the history of the game. Backstrom is one of the best playmakers in the league and Holtby is a very solid goalie who is kind of underrated.
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I thought the Caps were the only team in the East capable of winning the Cup. Can't believe they lost to the Rangers. I was shocked.
While I was late to the Carey Price party, I am all in on Braden Holtby.
As much as I love Bergeron, the Selke should've gone to Toews (sp?).
And Karlsson getting the Norris?? What are we doing here? He doesn't even know what defense is!
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Karlsson was a shoe-in this year IMO. He was dominant. And I actually agree with Bergeron getting it. :lol
Also, Bruins just traded Jones for a 1st and Sean Kuraly. Actually a really good trade for them, just for the 1st alone.
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Amazing pick up by Doug Wilson, with our 1st round pick gone now I feel like DW is going all in and hopefully that translates into getting Franson and/or Sekera to round things off
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Yeah, finally a decent move by Sweeney. Of course it's another move that doesn't help the team THIS year, but basically now we have two Firsts for Lucic plus Colin Miller.
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Sooo.... Mike Richards. WTF?
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Hamilton signs with Flames for 6 years 34.5 mil?? WTF Sweeney??
Hearing the B's wouldn't go past 6 million, but 6 @ 5.75 seems about right. Can't believe the Bruins couldn't do that. Unless of course the player wanted out.
From Darren Dreger:
"Bruins made offers on 4-5-6 year terms. Best offer to Hamilton was 6 years at $5.5 average. Obviously both sides believed change was best. "
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Funny thing though. The Kings traded Jones to Boston because they didn't want him to remain in the West. Now not only is he in the West, he's even in their division. :lol
EDIT: Wow, that Saad trade. This off-season is off to quite a start.
EDIT 2: And now Bieksa. Daaaamn.
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Reports are stating the Sharks are attempting to circle in on Franson from the Predators.
PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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The longest tenured Blue....until recently being told he wouldn't be offered a new contract.....Barrett Jackman, has signed a two year deal with Nashville. That'll be neat to watch those games between the two....hopefully the Blues do something to entice me to actually watch a game next year though...so I can see those games.
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Sharks signed Paul Martin. Mmm
Sharks are looking good :)
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B's get Belesky 5 @ 19. Good deal.
Trade Reilly Smith and Savard's contract to Florida for Jimmy Hayes.
Nice!
And happy to see Gregory Campbell get 2 @ 3mil with Columbus. One of the classiest guys to come through here.
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5 for 19 is good value and I am so glad they got rid of Mr. Softy Smith.
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Rumors are saying that the Sharks are still aggressive about Franson.
If that were to happen, I'd have to donate my shorts to a sperm bank. Sharks already looking really good but if they somehow got Franson as well... well jesus.
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Buh bye Phil. I think he's gonna do great in Pitt. I think he'll be like Kane in Chicago. He doesn't HAVE to be the best guy on the team, but just might end up being the best (offensive) player on the team. Hopefully these kids we get turn out alright.
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Did they get enough, Chad?
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Did they get enough, Chad?
Toronto got hosed in that deal. Perhaps at even money it would have been fair, but with 15% being held by Toronto... not a good deal on their end.
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I'm still fucking stoked that we got Saad...
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Did they get enough, Chad?
Pitt definitely got the better end of it. Time will tell on how these prospects pan out. Would've been nice to get a solid 2nd/3rd liner as well, and I don't think that Nick Spaling fits that bill. I don't know anything about him, but stats-wise, 32 points is his best season ever. I mean, you trade 2 prospects for 2 prospects, I would've figured that we'd get a better current player than this Spaling character.
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He doesn't HAVE to be the best guy on the team, but just might end up being the best (offensive) player on the team.
Gonna be hard on a team with 2 of the top 5 best offensive players in the league. :P That being said, I think he's gonna rock it in Pitt.
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^ fair enough. But Kessel does show flashes where you think "how is this guy not a 50 goal scorer". In Pitt, there won't be A) the media pressure, and B) the pressure of being the hero and the goat. Pitt has Sid and Evgeni to bear those responsibilities. I predict Phil will put at least 40, maybe 50 in the basket. He could even win the Richard trophy. He's that talented - just never had any kind of supporting cast here in Toronto. Now he IS the supporting cast.
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It's a great spot for Kessel.
@ Kingshmegland:
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25228107/look-the-cam-neely-trade-tree-continues-to-grow-for-bruins
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That's kind of cool to see. I forgot about a few of those players. For good reasons though.
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After 16 NHL seasons, Martin St. Louis had announced his retirement. Such a great and classy player. It's a shame to see him retire, but it was easy to tell in the playoffs that he was nowhere near the same player he used to be.
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True... being relegated to the third line, and getting barely 15 minutes of ice time was a pretty strong signal his time as a Tier 1 player was up. Was always a fan of Marty. Great player on and off the ice.
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The Blues just dealt TJ Oshie to the Washington Capitals for forward Troy Brouwer, goaltender Phoenix Copley and a third-round pick in 2016. It's a good start....looking more likely I'll be able to watch a game or two next season.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-trade-oshie-to-washington/article_9ee09081-b44c-596f-b9ae-6f0fe959e0f1.html
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The Blues just dealt TJ Oshie to the Washington Capitals for forward Troy Brouwer, goaltender Phoenix Copley and a third-round pick in 2016. It's a good start....looking more likely I'll be able to watch a game or two next season.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-trade-oshie-to-washington/article_9ee09081-b44c-596f-b9ae-6f0fe959e0f1.html
Blues definitely got the worst of that deal. Between Oshie and Williams the Caps just got a whole lot more dangerous next year.
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Yeah, what's with these lopsided trades? It's like some teams just want to dump their under-performers (perhaps rightfully so), but certainly don't appear to be getting enough in return.
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Oshie is one of the most overrated players in the league so I'm not too worried for the Blues. On the opposite side of it, they just got the very underrated Brodziak.
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Oshie is one of the most overrated players in the league
This. I said it earlier in the thread....he's good for 15 or so crushing reverse hits on larger players.....6 or 7 highlight reel goals....50-60% shoot out rate and then utterly disappearing in the playoffs.
It's like some teams just want to dump their under-performers (perhaps rightfully so), but certainly don't appear to be getting enough in return.
I don't know the player we got for him that well but this trade was more about dumping him AND sending a message than "improving" but they did improve anyway.
This will open a spot for Statsny to hop up on a top line and get the chance to produce more.....give some of the young players the chanc to earn minutes and get better.
I wouldn't stop there....I'd dump one more 'big' name to really drive the point home that girly sissy men who clam up in the playoffs will be cast away.
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Is Ryan O'Reilly THAT good?
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Sharks sign Joel Ward.
Ward + Wingels
All Hail Doug Wilson.
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I love Joel Ward.
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Is Ryan O'Reilly THAT good?
This is just the direction the market is going in. The cap will need to be raised a considerable amount or there will be trouble. Sharks sign Joel Ward.
Ward + Wingels
All Hail Doug Wilson.
Yeah that's a good pickup. I was hoping we'd snatch him.
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I think the Sabres will regret the contract before it's over.
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I think Reilly might struggle making an adjustment next year. New team, BIG role. But in the long run, I do think he'll be worth it.
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Leafs hiring Lou Lamoriello as GM gives me hope and optimism. I think.
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Leafs hiring Lou Lamoriello as GM gives me hope and optimism. I think.
It sure does.
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Patrick Kane is under a rape investigation. Wow.
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Patrick Kane is under a rape investigation. Wow.
I read it was sexual assault. I guess that would be a bit different. But "wow" indeed.
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I've seen rumors circling in the water that it was statutory rape.
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It could just be a one night stand that the girl regretted so now she's calling it rape. It could be that he took advantage of her while she was drunk which is technically rape. There's so many possibilities of what this story is. We don't know for sure what happened as very little detail has been revealed. I don't think it's fair to speculate one something like this without knowing more about the situation.
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She went to the hospital for a rape kit straightaway...that's not really consistent with morning-after regret...
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Well, I know at least one game I'm going to this year.
Coming back from vacation on November 19, and since it's cheaper (with more flight options) to go into Philadelphia than Allentown, I looked up the hockey schedule...
My flight lands at 5:09pm, and at 7:00pm a few miles down the highway from the airport the Sharks are in town. :D
So I'll be buying tickets for my gf and I. Huzzah.
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Cool Nick. Sharks. Nice.
One more week!
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Speaking of the Sharks, I like how they're looking in the Preseason. Obviously got to see how he handles a full season of starting duty but Martin Jones is looking like a fantastic pickup. Martin with Burns is great and the rookies are really showing their worth! Tierney is picking right up where he left off, Donskoi will be on the team later in the season if he doesn't initially make the roster, guy looks great; Mueller seems to have goten down his positioning and is a real slick passer, Goldobin isn't ready but he's developing quite nicely, his defensive game has gotten a lot better, it looks like he found out to contribute defensively which was his weakest spot by far. Other than that Ward is a blast to have on the team and he brings some very obvious energy, Mike Brown is an explosive little shit, and is looking pretty good actually. I'd be fine if he showed he didn't deserve all the shit he gets from fans. And finally seeing Torres back is great, I really missed having him around last season.
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Well, I know at least one game I'm going to this year.
Coming back from vacation on November 19, and since it's cheaper (with more flight options) to go into Philadelphia than Allentown, I looked up the hockey schedule...
My flight lands at 5:09pm, and at 7:00pm a few miles down the highway from the airport the Sharks are in town. :D
So I'll be buying tickets for my gf and I. Huzzah.
Well, happy birthday to me.
Wait, wat?
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Well, I know at least one game I'm going to this year.
Coming back from vacation on November 19, and since it's cheaper (with more flight options) to go into Philadelphia than Allentown, I looked up the hockey schedule...
My flight lands at 5:09pm, and at 7:00pm a few miles down the highway from the airport the Sharks are in town. :D
So I'll be buying tickets for my gf and I. Huzzah.
Well, happy birthday to me.
Wait, wat?
You fly in to help pick me up and you'll get a hockey game, dinner, and some southern goodies!
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Getting closer to another solid regular season from my Blues :metal So much excitement to come with Tarasenko signed and scoring goals....the youngsters speeding around the rink putting up points....two goalies who will push each other to their best....can't. freakin. wait.
Oh....If anyone has anything important to tell me do it before Thursday because that's when I'll get amnesia and forget that the Blues are going to lose in the first round again despite dominating the regular season...
#scornedfan #gonnatakealottowinmeback #secondroundisourcup
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I'll just leave this here... https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41864.msg1952641#msg1952641
And will continue to repost this whenever you think you have some hope or optimism. :lol
I guess being addicted to the Blues is better than other addictions ;). If it gets too far out of hand though, I'll stage an intervention, or some kind of 12-step program for you. :rollin :rollin
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I'll just leave this here... https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41864.msg1952641#msg1952641
And will continue to repost this whenever you think you have some hope or optimism. :lol
I guess being addicted to the Blues is better than other addictions ;). If it gets too far out of hand though, I'll stage an intervention, or some kind of 12-step program for you. :rollin :rollin
:lol I remember that day well....it's burned into my memory. I knew I could count on you to 'keep it real' for me. And, I now am finally starting to understand my Father in Law's lack of Faith when it comes to the Blues. He's always said he used to be hopeful and a fervent fan...back in the day, but the years have worn on him and now he just mocks me anytime I get excited about them. Last year was brutal though....maybe the worst let down yet.
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Here's the thing... I like to leave my expectations on the floor. Makes it a lot easier for my team (or any situation really) to exceed them. The joys of being in sales - set expectations low; deliver high. Runs into my real life... I expect very little - especially when it comes to the Leafs.
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Here's the thing... I like to leave my expectations on the floor. Makes it a lot easier for my team (or any situation really) to exceed them. The joys of being in sales - set expectations low; deliver high. Runs into my real life... I expect very little - especially when it comes to the Leafs.
I shall adopt this mantra this season for the Blues. I'll watch some games....see some highlight reel goals from Tarasenka....couple good saves from Allen or Elliot and a fight or two. But I'm going to try and avoid getting sucked back in to that abusive relationship for as long as possible.
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If they're performing well (ie, Top 5 in the West), I give it 5 weeks. :D :D
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Well, two fun bits from today.
1. Raffi Torres suspended 41 games, 3rd longest suspension in league history.
2. Andrew MacDonald waived by the Flyers. When he clears, his 5m salary will be greater than the entire rest of the AHL Phantoms.
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Well, two fun bits from today.
1. Raffi Torres suspended 41 games, 3rd longest suspension in league history.
That's not a surprise from a chippy player like Raffi.
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That is HUGE. Glad to see the DoPS put their foot down. This suspension will hopefully ensure no other GM wants anything to do with him. He doesn't deserve a place in the league.
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I really don't think Raffi was headhunting with that hit, and while I think he should definitely be suspended either way, 41 games is insane. We'll see plenty of other hits just like that this season and they'll get a baby slap on the wrist. I get that he's a repeat offender but if you watch that hit from better angles, it's not as bad as the jumbo tron video made it out to be. Still a bad hit, but yeah that's how I feel.
Other than that I'm really digging the Sharks lineup for offense. I guess we'll have to see if Donskoi sticks around or if he's just here to get a few games in before being sent back down but Donskoi with the two Joes is utter sexiness.
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41 games is closer to being too few rather than too much. No matter what, he will always be attempting to injure other players when on the ice. He's done it time and time again. He should be removed from the league, but that wouldn't happen. 41 games will at least be enough to ensure no one takes a chance with him again.
We'll see plenty of other hits just like that this season and they'll get a baby slap on the wrist.
That's because Torres is a special case. He's gotten a 25 game suspension, and still didn't learn from that. He should be punished accordingly. He's a piece of shit.
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After watching that hit again, man I just want him not on the team. Even though I think he just tries to impress to hard and is stupid at hitting, he's just a waste of roster space in the NHL now.
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Wow he's not even gonna appeal. Honestly pretty shocked about that.
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The first goal of the NHL season was certainly an interesting one. Bernier didn't even see it. Was it just me or was he getting interfered with a lot tonight?
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Oh how I loved watching tonight's game. That hit from Brown on Cootch was absolutely ridiculous and if he's not suspended the NHL organization is full of shit. Was so relieved that Couture wasn't injured from that, and later came back to lay that beast hit on Lucic.
Sharks looked fresh as heck tonight, and I hope to see them continue the freshness!
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If they're performing well (ie, Top 5 in the West), I give it 5 weeks. :D :D
Took until Tarasenkos goal in the second period. Dag Nabbit!
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Yep, it didn't take me long to get sucked back in either. :lol :lol
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Sucked to lose, but the Flyers and Bolts introduced the league to 3v3 tonight, and holy hell, talk about upping the number of heart attacks this season!
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Sucked to lose, but the Flyers and Bolts introduced the league to 3v3 tonight, and holy hell, talk about upping the number of heart attacks this season!
Is it literally just one scoring chance after another?
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Yep, it didn't take me long to get sucked back in either. :lol :lol
They promised me it'd be different this time...... :lol
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Sucked to lose, but the Flyers and Bolts introduced the league to 3v3 tonight, and holy hell, talk about upping the number of heart attacks this season!
Is it literally just one scoring chance after another?
This one absolutely was, yes.
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Seems like Dustin Brown is just going to be talked to. Absolute fucking bullshit. If you're going to suspend a guy for half a season ( very deservedly so) how can you just ignore that absolute piece of shit hit that Brown laid out on Couture? You can't just set a precedent that makes it clear dirty hits are a no fucking go, and then just wave that one off, it was such a cheap and dangerous shot. Couture was even bleeding from the face after it, and still Brown gets to walk away like the complete piece of shit that he is.
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Seems like Dustin Brown is just going to be talked to. Absolute fucking bullshit. If you're going to suspend a guy for half a season ( very deservedly so) how can you just ignore that absolute piece of shit hit that Brown laid out on Couture? You can't just set a precedent that makes it clear dirty hits are a no fucking go, and then just wave that one off, it was such a cheap and dangerous shot. Couture was even bleeding from the face after it, and still Brown gets to walk away like the complete piece of shit that he is.
Agreed. Brown needed discipline for that. So lame.
Also, Chucky + Eller + Semin is proving to be a great line! Hopefully this continues. :)
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Artemi Panarin got another goal tonight. Out of all the rookies this year, he's the one I've been following with the most excitement. Glad to see he's off to a swell start.
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Rangers: lose three straight with two of those games being to the mediocre Jets and Devils with Hank in net. Go on to shut out a good Sharks team with Raanta in net. Because that makes perfect sense.
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Sharks have a lot of injuries right now, and the lines have been switched up a lot so there wasn't much chance for the team to build chemistry with these sudden line changes. Good win for the Rangers, but it's not like the Sharks were close to full strength tonight. Missing Cooch, Donskoi, Martin, and Smith really hurt the team. Hopefully the others beside Cooch return soon because we need them and hopefully Cooch has as swift a recovery as he can.
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Still waitin for Babcock to make a difference. Not sure it'll be this year.
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Rangers: lose three straight with two of those games being to the mediocre Jets and Devils with Hank in net. Go on to shut out a good Sharks team with Raanta in net. Because that makes perfect sense.
Just gotta say (not a fan personally), but the Jets are more than mediocre, they have a damn good team.
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Yeah, they definitely improved over the off-season, and gave the Ducks a run for their money last playoffs. Dropping all those 3rd period leads was depressing, but they look to be bouncing back and starting the season in the right direction.
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Just posting here because I noticed the thread was started by zerogravityfat. I haven't seen him around here in years, but the OP date is June 2015.
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Just posting here because I noticed the thread was started by zerogravityfat. I haven't seen him around here in years, but the OP date is June 2015.
That was also his last date active. I somehow missed that he quoted me in his sig...and I forgot ever having said that! :lol
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Anyone live in Nashville? We've got a large group of family heading down to Nashville for the Blues v Preds game on 2/27/16. My brother in law lives down there and we just booked rooms and tix.....was thinking if anyone here lived down there and was going to that game we could meet up....say 'hey'....and give the forum the always popular middle finger made famous by none other than one Chad...jingleboy. Just a thought....
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I like this season so far.
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You're a blue jackets fan, right? :lol
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Got our tickets locked up for the game this Sunday. We'll be nosebleeds for days but that doesn't matter with hockey I've found. So excited, get to see the boiz again. Hope to see another hat trick, Pavelski or somebody else, who knows maybe a certain Joe could get 4 :biggrin:
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God the Leafs suck.
That's all.
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I have a feeling with Babcock though, you guys will be a force in the next few years, possibly even next season or by the trade deadline, who knows.
Living in Minnesota, I've been hearing a lot of people saying how the Wild are a force and great team, but the defense is weak, goaltending shaky, the offense is the key piece for them. Despite being 6-2-1, their GF and GA are 28 and 25 respectively. Most of their games involve them rallying to win the game.
And Dubnyk's comment about not caring if every game they win 5-4, just as long as they win...The fact that they pay him $5 million a season and he says that he doesn't care about letting in 4 goals a game, just as long as the offense does their job? That just irked me and if I was a Wild fan, that would make me kinda irritated.
And don't get me started about my Senators... Just a sad start...
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I have a feeling with Babcock though, you guys will be a force in the next few years, possibly even next season or by the trade deadline, who knows.
Can't see it being this year, perhaps playoffs next year. I do agree that this is a long-term strategy, but still, my god they suck.
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Chad, how to the folks up there feel about Phaneuf?
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I personally think he's 10 pounds of douche in a 5 pound bag.
Not sure what the general consensus is though. I haven't been following the media. Everyone was swept up in Blue Jay fever, then I was traveling last week.
Why, what's he done now?
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Blues win again over Anaheim.....they're up to their usual shenanigans......7-2-1 thus far and looking solid despite losing some guys to injury.
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Blues win again over Anaheim.....they're up to their usual shenanigans......7-2-1 thus far and looking solid despite losing some guys to injury.
Beating Anaheim is about as impressive as beating the Leafs. They're sucking huge too!
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Blues win again over Anaheim.....they're up to their usual shenanigans......7-2-1 thus far and looking solid despite losing some guys to injury.
Beating Anaheim is about as impressive as beating the Leafs. They're sucking huge too!
Sure...It's less about who the Blues are beating at the moment but the fact that they are doing it without Shattenkirk, Schwartz and Stastny. Plus....it's the Blues.....sure they may get 100 pts this season but....well....ehh.....
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This depth! Our third and fourth lines have been our most dominant lines the past couple games. :lol
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Sweet comeback by the Blues tonight, overcoming a 5-2 deficit to win 6-5 in Chicago. Tarasenko with the winner!! :hat
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Sweet comeback by the Blues tonight, overcoming a 5-2 deficit to win 6-5 in Chicago. Tarasenko with the winner!! :hat
Yeah....that was a heck of a gut check and effort from them tonight. Would love to see that grit in April.....
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This depth! Our third and fourth lines have been our most dominant lines the past couple games. :lol
Watching the Ottawa game the other day, I continue to be impressed with Condon.
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I'm a big time Rangers fan and I'm excited to be going to my first ever Rangers game at MSG next Tuesday against the Caps! :metal
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Great win for the Sharks tonight, above .500, Patty's 3 points away from 1000, first in Sharks history when he reaches it, and goal scoring is distributed which rules. Donskoi got his first goal (I mean he's already got one but it was a deflection off of his butt lol), Burns is continuing to score, and Tierney even netted an EN. Not sure what the fuck Haley is doing in the lineup instead of Brown, but hopefully Smith can return soon and we can get all the AHL'ers back where they belong.
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My two teams are tops in the Pacific! :metal
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Good to see that the Rangers still can't beat Tampa. :censored
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Good to see that the Rangers still can't beat Tampa. :censored
So frustrating. I knew they would end the winning streak.
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Claude Julien, through little fault of his own, is probably on his last legs as coach of the Bruins. The ex-GM, Chiarelli, mismanaged the cap and left him with nothing other than Bergeron, ancient and broken down defensemen (Chara and Seidenberg), a rat (Marchand) and the best-paid fourth liners in the league (Kelly, i.e.). He signed Rask to the second highest contract among goalies and he can't even have a GAA under 3.0, despite Claude always wanting to pack it in. The new GM brings in Zac Ranaldo, a knuckle-dragging goon with no talent who gets flattened in fair fights.
The only thing that is saving Julien right now is that the owner, Jacobs, is notoriously cheap and probably doesn't want to have to pay two coaches at once, although he did it plenty of times in the nineties.
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No sooner did I type my response, I saw that the Bruins won last night with stiff Loui Eriksson getting a hat trick. It's a good thing Chiarelli isn't here anymore, or he would have given Eriksson a five year, $35M contract, to go along with the Rask, Kelly, and McQuade contracts.
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Sharks are starting to look in fine form with Melker Karlsson making it back to the lineup and Coutures a few weeks out. Playing well on the road, Donskoi's boosting that 3rd line now and still looking good, and Martin Jones is starting to look very solid. Guy has 1 shut out every five games in 50 games played. Hoping that doesn't drop too much :biggrin:
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Rask is such a stiff that I wish we kept Martin Jones (who we got for Lucic) instead.
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No sooner did I type my article, I saw that the Bruins won last night with stiff Loui Eriksson getting a hat trick. It's a good thing Chiarelli isn't here anymore, or he would have given Eriksson a five year, $35M contract, to go along with the Rask, Kelly, and McQuade contracts.
What article?
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No sooner did I type my article, I saw that the Bruins won last night with stiff Loui Eriksson getting a hat trick. It's a good thing Chiarelli isn't here anymore, or he would have given Eriksson a five year, $35M contract, to go along with the Rask, Kelly, and McQuade contracts.
What article?
Sorry, I meant response, not article. I'm fixing it right now.
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:lol
Yeah I dread them caving to Loui now as Chiarelli surely would. He's not a bad player but let him play out his contract year.
While we're on the Bruins, I'm very happy so far with Colin Miller. And Trotman has some promise. I have had enough of Kevin Miller. He's tough and all but he sucks this year. No wonder they killed off all three penalties last night. He's injured!!
And McQuade has been very good this year. And I have zero complaints about Rinaldo so far.
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I especially liked the exhibition game where Rinaldo tried to spear a Ranger into the boards, missed, and then turtled after getting his ass kicked by a Rangers enforcer. Sorry, I'm only a casual fan, so I don't remember the Rangers' players in question.
If Eriksson has a good year, maybe Sweeney can deal him at the deadline for a prospect or two. I wish they did more with their three successive first round picks, like package them for an impact player instead of drafting three kids who couldn't pass their conditioning tests. Maybe they'll amount to something down the road.
McQuade is a good fourth or fifth defenseman, but he is asked to be more on this team. They did need toughness after losing Thornton and Lucic the last two years, but his cap hit is high for what he is.
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Nash with the hat trick and game winner in overtime. Welcome to the 2015-16 season.
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Laughing at all of the Shark fans who said our season was a lost hope. 5-0 on the road against some damn fine teams. And Couture is skating again!! :metal
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Who is this team and what have they done with the real Rangers? Jesus Christ did they really lose to Edmonton?
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If you had Claude Julien lasting longer than Mike Johnston as head coach of their teams, raise your hand.
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Who is this team and what have they done with the real Rangers? Jesus Christ did they really lose to Edmonton?
Yea, what happened to this team :huh: terrible turn this season is taking
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Are you :censored kidding me Rangers? I would almost rather you guys get blown out than lose a heartbreaker like that. Jesus :censored Christ.
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So Ryan McDonagh is out with a concussion due to the extremely dirty hit from Wayne Simmons from the other day. Somehow Simmons avoided suspension even though being given a game misconduct like he was is supposed to automatically come with a three game suspension. This is why dirtbag players like him keep playing like animals. Because the league allows it with almost no consequences. Although if it was Crosby who was taken down I guarantee that Simmons would be facing a big suspension right now. The bias and favoritism is ridiculous and somehow the Rangers, just like every other New York team, always seem to be on the wrong end of it.
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I need to see that. I read about it today. I hate losing players like that.
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Well, now that football is over, time to pick things up on the NHL season.
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Well, now that football is over, time to pick things up on the NHL season.
I'm with you. I've only watched 2-3 full Caps games before their win over the Flyers yesterday. To my delight, the arena actually played "As I Am" during a break in play.
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Looks like the Sens are gonna need to make another miracle run for the playoffs. The 18th marks a year that our last one started
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So Ryan McDonagh is out with a concussion due to the extremely dirty hit from Wayne Simmons from the other day. Somehow Simmons avoided suspension even though being given a game misconduct like he was is supposed to automatically come with a three game suspension. This is why dirtbag players like him keep playing like animals. Because the league allows it with almost no consequences. Although if it was Crosby who was taken down I guarantee that Simmons would be facing a big suspension right now. The bias and favoritism is ridiculous and somehow the Rangers, just like every other New York team, always seem to be on the wrong end of it.
McDouchbag keeps his stick down and that doesn't happen. I'm so tired about hearing "dirty hit" and "sucker punch" from Rangers fans. That implies he snuck it in unexpectedly somehow. He took a stick to the head with a stick and faced him straight up, barely doing anything more than you see in scrums in 99% of games. Time to suck it up.
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So Ryan McDonagh is out with a concussion due to the extremely dirty hit from Wayne Simmons from the other day. Somehow Simmons avoided suspension even though being given a game misconduct like he was is supposed to automatically come with a three game suspension. This is why dirtbag players like him keep playing like animals. Because the league allows it with almost no consequences. Although if it was Crosby who was taken down I guarantee that Simmons would be facing a big suspension right now. The bias and favoritism is ridiculous and somehow the Rangers, just like every other New York team, always seem to be on the wrong end of it.
McDouchbag keeps his stick down and that doesn't happen. I'm so tired about hearing "dirty hit" and "sucker punch" from Rangers fans. That implies he snuck it in unexpectedly somehow. He took a stick to the head with a stick and faced him straight up, barely doing anything more than you see in scrums in 99% of games. Time to suck it up.
It's not just about McDonagh. Wayne Simmons does this shit to everyone no matter the team. A player should never be out there with the intent to hurt someone but that's how he plays the game. He's a dirty player who should be banned from the league before he hurts someone else.
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I personally think he's 10 pounds of douche in a 5 pound bag.
Not sure what the general consensus is though. I haven't been following the media. Everyone was swept up in Blue Jay fever, then I was traveling last week.
Why, what's he done now?
Bob McKenzie just shared that Toronto and Sens are working on a trade for Dion. Oh dear lord...
And indeed it did happen. Sens get Phaneuf, Frattin, Bailey, Rupert and Donaghey in exchange for Cowen, Greening, Michalek, Lindberg and 2nd-rounder in 2017.
Really gonna miss Michalek.... But thank God Cowen is gone. Have fun with him Toronto. He is the worst player I've seen in awhile.
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You can have him. I don't think he fit in with Babs' schemes or style. Everyone can say all they want glorifying him in interviews, but when a team trades their captain who has a no-trade clause... it says a lot about the team's and the player's desire to part ways. It just wasn't working, and he's not part of the future that the Leafs need to build for.
As for how much he helps the Sens chances at making a playoff run? I'll predict right now he'll be a non-factor at best, and an impediment at worst.
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Eh, we needed defense and I think he'll help us a bit.
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Phaneuf is actually a competent dman when he is sheltered. In no way should he see #1 minutes like he did in Toronto. His "glory days" in Calgary were on a fairly deep back end. Still, he's not worth the $7 mil price tag, but a better dman than he gets credit for.
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Phaneuf is actually a competent dman when he is sheltered. In no way should he see #1 minutes like he did in Toronto. His "glory days" in Calgary were on a fairly deep back end. Still, he's not worth the $7 mil price tag, but a better dman than he gets credit for.
Probably. But he was set up here as THE guy... not just the D-guy, the THE guy. He was no Wendel Clark, Doug Gilmour, or Mats Sundin. He didn't live up to the hype - right from the start.
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Who's your favorite team?
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1. Senators
2. Oilers
3. Winnipeg
4. Wild
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Love the Bruins. They're my team. I also like the Avalanche, Rangers, Kings, and a few others. I don't really dislike any teams other than the Habs and Canucks. LOVE PK Subban, though.
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Life long Rangers fan!
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Perinaelly disappointed, gut punched with my Heart Ripped out Temple of Doom Style St. Louis Blues fan here.......
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Life long Rangers fan!
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Bruins goon checking in.
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Go Devils!
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I'm a fan of good hockey.
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Sharks for myself.
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Life long Rangers fan!
This. It's a fandom that's been going on in my family for generations. We disagree on the other three major sports but for hockey, every person in my family is a die hard Rangers fan.
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Love hockey!!
Definitely follow the Bruins. Loved the Islanders when I was a kid.
Yes, I am a fogey so my favorite players were Mike Bossy and Gilbert Perrault.
And I also want to say that watching Ray Bourque's career up close was a privilege.
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Hey guys. Haven't turned in here in a while. Just here to confirm yes: I'm just as depressed as you'd imagine.
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Hey guys. Haven't turned in here in a while. Just here to confirm yes: I'm just as depressed as you'd imagine.
Especially after that torrid start!! I'm shocked really.
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Oh man, the Sharks are starting to really click! The youth has finally come to and it has made the Sharks such a deep team. Stalock is a very large concern but he'll be a bad dream by the offseason. Finally:
JUMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Hey guys. Haven't turned in here in a while. Just here to confirm yes: I'm just as depressed as you'd imagine.
Especially after that torrid start!! I'm shocked really.
Yeah this is definitely the most upsetting season I've witnessed from them, haha. It's not even just Price being gone, they've fallen apart on every level.
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Went to the Minnesota Wild/Blackhawks Stadium Series game today. That was a lot of fun. A lot of energy in that stadium with over 50,000 people there. Last night we were at the Alumni Game, which was cool because I never thought I'd hear "Goal scored by Mike Modano assisted by Darby Hendrickson". That was really cool to see and hear. Good times, I can't wait until the next outdoor game rolls around, whenever that may be.
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As a lifelong Blackhawks fan, I gotta say that was a hell of a win from the Wild
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Going to the Rangers vs Devils game tonight... LGR!! :metal
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Going to the Rangers vs Devils game tonight... LGR!! :metal
Well I think I enjoyed the outcome a bit more than you did, but that was a hell of a fun game to watch.
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Going to the Rangers vs Devils game tonight... LGR!! :metal
Well I think I enjoyed the outcome a bit more than you did, but that was a hell of a fun game to watch.
Im guessing you did then, the Rangers played poorly for most of the game. But they were without some good players. It was fun, but it's no fun when your rival has your number >:(
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Petry out for the season. I knew the Habs should never have taken that team-building seminar at that ancient Indian burial ground.
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Their social media team also screwed up this week. That was a disaster :lol
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Kovalchuk has told his KHL club SKA that if he's not back in the lineup in the next 48 hours he's terminating his contract and coming back to NA :caffeine:
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Kovalchuk has told his KHL club SKA that if he's not back in the lineup in the next 48 hours he's terminating his contract and coming back to NA :caffeine:
My understanding is that it's not likely he makes it back into the NHL before 2018. If he tries to come back right away, all 30 teams would need to give him permission. If he sits out of all hockey for a year, only the Devils would need to OK it for him to return. And then in 2018 he comes off the voluntary retired list and wouldn't need any approvals.
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I'll have to link to it after I get home from work, but apparently he has a loophole he can exploit to get around that
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I never liked Kovalchuk. I remember saying here when he went to Jersey that they would never win a cup with him. Then he left them high and dry, and now he's pulling stupid stunts again. Far and away one of the worst "big name" guys the game has ever seen.
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Meh, with the expansion coming up, whether you like him or not, it sure wouldn't hurt to get a few more elite players in before the expansion draft. Also what he did to New Jersey was definitely a dick move, but the past is the past as far as I'm concerned. These guys are here to play hockey not to be glowing personalities. Now let me find that article or whatever I mentioned last post.
https://www.si.com/nhl/2015/03/24/ilya-kovalchuk-return-to-nhl-new-jersey-devils-bylaw-loophole
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With the trade out of Reimer for Stalock, the Sharks are deep enough for one hell of a playoff run, and apparently DW might not be done trading!
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I don't see Reimer as a playoff caliber backstopper. He had that one good series against Boston a few years back, but even then still couldn't close the door on a 4-1 lead with 12 minutes to go.
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Considering he's Jones backup, the Sharks can rest solid knowing who's between the pipes. Also Reimer has been having a great year for playing on a tanking team for most of it
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Sad we got rid of Weise, but I'm not unhappy with the return. Danault has the potential to grow into a great two-way forward and a 2nd round pick is nice, even if it will probably be a late one.
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If you want to know what choking looks like, watch the Rangers-Islanders game. To tie it up after letting the Islanders score 3 goals in 1:55 in the first then give up two bad goals in the last minute and a half of the game is just a brutal way to lose.
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Rumor is that there will be an announcement today/tonight that St. Louis gets a Winter Classic next year, at Busch Stadium, against Chicago. The Blues play Chicago tonight...
That will be INSANE!!! :metal And I will pay whatever I have to in order to be there!!!
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That's awesome! Seems like Chicago is playing outdoors every year.
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Seems like Chicago is playing outdoors every year.
Well...they keep winning Cups and they are a great team. Of course you'd want them to be highlighted. I can't tell you how pumped I am for this and how beautiful that game will be. That setting at Busch Stadium is awesome....it's going to be insane. I just hope I can get tickets for a reasonable cost so I can take the family, otherwise.....sorry kiddos and wife, Daddy will be home later :lol
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That's awesome. We're getting a winter classic next year vs Detroit. Might look into it if you young guys start to gel.
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Didn't Detroit and Toronto play in the Winter Classic 3 years ago?
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Didn't Detroit and Toronto play in the Winter Classic 3 years ago?
Indeedy... in Detroit. With the attendance record - 105,000+
Next year it's here.
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If there's anything to be happy about as a Hab fan, Galchenyuk is a MONSTER right now. :metal 9 goals in the last 7 games. He's stopped trying to do too much at inappropriate times and has seemed to acquire a monstrous one-timer. Obviously he's been practicing something. He may finally be breaking out.
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Rumor is that there will be an announcement today/tonight that St. Louis gets a Winter Classic next year, at Busch Stadium, against Chicago. The Blues play Chicago tonight...
That will be INSANE!!! :metal And I will pay whatever I have to in order to be there!!!
I'd love to go, but tickets will be insanely high, plus I vowed last spring to not spend a cent on the Blues again until they show they can win in the playoffs a little bit (at least a freaking round). To that end, this is the first season since the early 00s that I have not gone to a single game.
And honestly, I haven't watched nearly as much this year as I did last year, for example. I've joked that last year really crushed any hockey spirit for the Blues I had left, but I am afraid it might be true. I watched the last 10 minutes of regulation and OT last night, and when Chicago scored to tie it up, I was like, "Of course." And when the Blues won the shootout, I felt nothing. >:(
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I mean, it's not like the Black Hawks are incredibly stacked or anything right now, oh wait.
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The Blues lost to the Wild, a team they were clearly better than, last year in the first round.
My reaction to last night's game against Chicago was emblematic of how little I trust them now and how I expect the worst from them.
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I'd love to go, but tickets will be insanely high, plus I vowed last spring to not spend a cent on the Blues again until they show they can win in the playoffs a little bit (at least a freaking round). To that end, this is the first season since the early 00s that I have not gone to a single game.
And honestly, I haven't watched nearly as much this year as I did last year, for example. I've joked that last year really crushed any hockey spirit for the Blues I had left, but I am afraid it might be true. I watched the last 10 minutes of regulation and OT last night, and when Chicago scored to tie it up, I was like, "Of course." And when the Blues won the shootout, I felt nothing. >:(
I've not gone to a game this year either, and like you....I've probably only watched maybe (10) full games thus far. I am just waiting for the playoffs. I didn't doubt one bit that at the end of the season they'd be one of the top three or four teams in the NHL....that's becoming a habit. It's all about playoff performance and so, my attention will be peeked when the first round hits.
I like the success they've had whilst having so many players injured...that can only be good and their resolve looks good also. But it's the Blues and they are abusive boyfriends who like to gut punch their girls just for the fun of it....
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The Rangers have turned into complete trash this season. They have no discipline and their hearts clearly aren't in it.
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I'm excited to see what Anthony Mantha is capable of. I hope he jump starts the Red Wings. I'm tired of them being thoroughly mediocre this year. Hopefully, he gets some legitimate ice time. Blashill needs to fight his instincts and give Mantha 15-17 minutes instead of Luke Goddamn Glendening. We'll see.
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Sharks :metal
Jumbo :metal
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I'm excited to see what Anthony Mantha is capable of. I hope he jump starts the Red Wings. I'm tired of them being thoroughly mediocre this year. Hopefully, he gets some legitimate ice time. Blashill needs to fight his instincts and give Mantha 15-17 minutes instead of Luke Goddamn Glendening. We'll see.
Mantha had a hell of a game last night, so I'd still be excited for him, despite the loss. Flyers have been on a massive roll lately, and they have, for the first time in several seasons had a run of games where they have come out and absolutely steam-rolled opponents in the 1st period.
I of course want the Flyers in the playoffs, but I hope Detroit turns things on and we eliminate Pittsburgh instead. I want to see them get to the 25 year mark.
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Three shutouts in a row for Brian Elliot! :tup :tup
Blues are playing well down the stretch, but we've seen this act before; get past the first round and then I'll get a little excited about their chances. :lol
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Three shutouts in a row for Brian Elliot! :tup :tup
Blues are playing well down the stretch, but we've seen this act before; get past the first round and then I'll get a little excited about their chances. :lol
Don't forget Allen following that up with a shut out against the Capitols :metal They are certainly hitting all the right cylinders heading in to the playoffs....one of these years.....
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Three shutouts in a row for Brian Elliot! :tup :tup
Blues are playing well down the stretch, but we've seen this act before; get past the first round and then I'll get a little excited about their chances. :lol
Not looking forward to playing you guys.
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Three shutouts in a row for Brian Elliot! :tup :tup
Blues are playing well down the stretch, but we've seen this act before; get past the first round and then I'll get a little excited about their chances. :lol
Not looking forward to playing you guys.
I'd love that being that'd mean we got out of the first round :lol
Kev's right....this team has given us MANY reasons to be excited...they really do look solid. But it's the Blues and they like to gut punch us this time of year so I'm with Kev....once we get past the first round my ears will perk up...
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I've decided not to worry about who they end up playing in the 1st round. Last year, I prayed they wouldn't match up against Chicago in the 1st round, they won the division and got Minnesota, and still lost, so this year, just keep playing well and let the chips fall where they may as far as their opponent goes. I'd still rather not play the Hawks, of course. :lol :lol
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Talking about the regular season. The B's are in a tailspin barely hanging on to a playoff spot.
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The Rangers are starting to look like the team that won the President's Trophy last year. If they keep playing like this, they have a serious shot to make a deep playoff run.
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I've decided not to worry about who they end up playing in the 1st round. Last year, I prayed they wouldn't match up against Chicago in the 1st round, they won the division and got Minnesota, and still lost, so this year, just keep playing well and let the chips fall where they may as far as their opponent goes. I'd still rather not play the Hawks, of course. :lol :lol
I'd rather them face the toughest out of the gate. If they win that series then the chances of them going far are good. They'd have ended this first round 'curse' they've been on and beaten a tough team which would boost their confidence.
But...I'm more in your boat of just let the chips fall and go at it. I have a sneaky feeling they'll meet Nashville in round 1 which will be a brutal battle....
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The 1st round will be brutal no matter who they play. It's rough that the Blues are this good during an era when their division as a whole is awesome, year after year. Barring him playing poorly the last two weeks of the season, I suspect Brian Elliot will be the starter come playoff time.
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The 1st round will be brutal no matter who they play. It's rough that the Blues are this good during an era when their division as a whole is awesome, year after year. Barring him playing poorly the last two weeks of the season, I suspect Brian Elliot will be the starter come playoff time.
So true...their division is choc full of good teams capable of beating anyone at any time.
And, they owe it to Elliot to give him the start. He's been lights out for so long...not just this year....and they stuck it to him with the Ryan Miller gamble and then the hot hand Jake Allen gamble last year. Put him in there and ride him for as long as he takes you.
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Damn it, I wanted a 5th straight shutout. >:(
:biggrin: :biggrin:
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Sharks are back in the playoffs and the past two games have been big victories over the CucKings and Cacucks :yarr
Logan Couture also got his first career hat trick tonight! :metal
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Damn it, I wanted a 5th straight shutout. >:(
:biggrin: :biggrin:
You might have another Friday night. Last night against the Devils the B's had 40 shots and one goal and lost 2 to 1.
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Yup. It's going to be an ugly weekend for the Bruins.
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I'm hopeful for two things in the next few months.
1 - 1st overall pick for the Leafs. They've got a solid core of younglings, and Auston Matthews would be a nice addition
2 - Gary's rage post. Should be even more epic than last year.
NO Canadian team in the playoffs, and they comprise 7 of the bottom 10 teams in the league. :sadpanda: First time since the 69/70 playoffs when both Toronto and Montreal failed to make it.
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Looks like Colorado blew it last night :sadpanda: Minnesota is playing way too well for them to take that spot, they're on a roll right now and could be one of the most dangerous teams in the west. I definitely wouldn't want to play them in the playoffs.
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2 - Gary's rage post. Should be even more epic than last year.
The only post you'll see from me is one down at Market Street celebrating a Stanley Cup :metal
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Oh and.....Duncan Keith continues to prove he's a POS.....
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2 - Gary's rage post. Should be even more epic than last year.
The only post you'll see from me is one down at Market Street celebrating a Stanley Cup :metal
So if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it really make a sound? ;D
NO Canadian team in the playoffs, and they comprise 7 of the bottom 10 teams in the league.
Two questions:
1. Is Carey Price really the difference between being a Top # team in the East and being a Bottom 3 team?
2. What is the deal with Edmonton? Seriously!
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Edmonton has no legitimate Top 2 defenders atm. They really need to trade or something to pick up a few.
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2 - Gary's rage post. Should be even more epic than last year.
The only post you'll see from me is one down at Market Street celebrating a Stanley Cup :metal
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Edmonton has no legitimate Top 2 defenders atm. They really need to trade or something to pick up a few.
Yup, that has been there problem for awhile now. They should have traded a pick or a prior top pick for D/Goalie help and solidified those positions and built up from there. Instead they have a bunch of young forwards underperforming in a bad system.
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Oh and.....Duncan Keith continues to prove he's a POS.....
He should be gone for the rest of the season and the entire 1st round (meaning, 9-12 games), but I don't expect the NHL to do the right thing. The NHL is still big business, and a Chicago team means ratings, and ratings equal money, so it is in their best interest to not handicap Chicago's chances of advancing in the playoffs.
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This is the first time since the league merger in 1979 that no Canadian teams make the playoffs. Way to be beaten at your own game!
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You've got to admit, it's a shock that the Habs imploded. They should be in.
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Two full business days and still no decision on Duncan Keith. Man, is the NHL a joke.
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This is the first time since the league merger in 1979 that no Canadian teams make the playoffs. Way to be beaten at your own game!
Only other time ever was 69/70 as I mentioned. Shows how tenuous any team's position can be when 5/7 of them made it last year, and 0/7 this year.
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Two full business days and still no decision on Duncan Keith. Man, is the NHL a joke.
Agreed… :facepalm: Guy better not get off lightly for that…
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If he plays at all before next October, it is too lightly. He is a repeat repeat offender, and he maliciously swung his stick at a guy's head. If that doesn't get you suspended for the rest of the season (regular season AND playoffs), I don't know what does.
My brother often tells me that the NHL is a garage league, and when shit like this happens, it is hard to argue with him. I love hockey, but wish the NHL would do something to eliminate this kind of crap.
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The Chris Simon incident in 2007 immediately came to mind when I saw what Keith did the other night. I completely agree that he should be suspended for the remainder of the regular season and playoffs. Hopefully the NHL does the right thing.
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Hawks have really been shooting themselves in the foot lately....pisses me off.
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5-2.
Are you shitting me? Kev, the way the B's were playing I thought his would never happen.
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The Blues look out of sorts, and the Bruins look like a team fighting for their playoff lives. Such is the unpredictability of sports.
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So much inconsistencies for the B's this year.
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And Duncan Keith gets only six games for intentionally slashing a guy in the face with his stick. What a freaking joke. The NHL is such a garbage league. :tdwn :tdwn
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I swore it would be 10 games.
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I knew all along the NHL would slap him on the wrist, which is what this is. In the real world, you'd get put in prison for maliciously slashing someone in the fact with a weapon, but in the NHL, you get a slap on the wrist. Disgraceful.
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I knew all along the NHL would slap him on the wrist, which is what this is. In the real world, you'd get put in prison for maliciously slashing someone in the fact with a weapon, but in the NHL, you get a slap on the wrist. Disgraceful.
Couldn't have said it any better myself…
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Man fuck the Rangers. They play teams like Chicago and Washington tough but let the Hurricanes and Sabres skate over their throats. This team will make the playoffs considering they clinch with one Detroit loss, but if they keep this up, they'll be swept right out of the first round.
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Blackhawks leading 6-0 right now. Bye bye Claude.
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Blackhawks leading 6-0 right now. Bye bye Claude.
Maybe not?
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Still 6-4 but the loss hurts their chance of making the playoffs.
When you are the 3rd seed a month ago and you tanked the same time last year and don't make the playoffs 2 years in a row the coach will get fired.
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I really hope Colorado gets rid of Roy, this team has just been so uninspired and lackluster lately it's frustrating. I'm still really looking forward to the playoffs though :tup
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Oilers season ticket holder since '06....problem drinker since '07. Hmmm, I wonder if there's a correlation.
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Still 6-4 but the loss hurts their chance of making the playoffs.
When you are the 3rd seed a month ago and you tanked the same time last year and don't make the playoffs 2 years in a row the coach will get fired.
Philly has two games in hand, and the tiebreaker if I heard correctly. Detroit has one game in hand. Luckily, the B's close against Ottawa. Still, I predict I will be making the following post by Saturday afternoon:
Welcome to Chokesville; population - Bruins.
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Sharks tied for #2 all time road win record in a season :)
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Still 6-4 but the loss hurts their chance of making the playoffs.
When you are the 3rd seed a month ago and you tanked the same time last year and don't make the playoffs 2 years in a row the coach will get fired.
Philly has two games in hand, and the tiebreaker if I heard correctly. Detroit has one game in hand. Luckily, the B's close against Ottawa. Still, I predict I will be making the following post by Saturday afternoon:
Welcome to Chokesville; population - Bruins.
2 years in a row choking. Claude will be gone.
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Great win by the Blues tonight. :tup :tup
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Great win by the Blues tonight. :tup :tup
I was there, definitely a sucky loss for us
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I'm glad the Blues could spoil your night for you for once :P, but ultimately last night won't matter a lot, since the Blackhawks have shown over the years that they can win in the playoffs anywhere, so home ice doesn't really matter to them, and the Blues can continue to win all of the games in the regulars season they want, but it's long past "put up or shut up in the playoffs" time for them.
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Great win by the Blues tonight. :tup :tup
:metal
I was there, definitely a sucky loss for us
Was a great game though.
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I'm glad the Blues could spoil your night for you for once :P, but ultimately last night won't matter a lot, since the Blackhawks have shown over the years that they can win in the playoffs anywhere, so home ice doesn't really matter to them, and the Blues can continue to win all of the games in the regulars season they want, but it's long past "put up or shut up in the playoffs" time for them.
But we mustn't let our heads get too big! We fear the Blues, they're a great team.
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Big win by Boston
Big turd by Philly
gonna be a thrilling weekend for all three for the final spot.
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Still Chad, the B's shouldn't be in this position. They choked down the stretch.
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Dear Bruins. How can you be so flat when the playoffs is on the lin . You deserve to miss the playoffs. Disgusting.
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Not a Bruins fan (Go Pens), but that is actually embarrassing. Your season is on the line and you are getting blown out by Ottawa? Bye bye Claude.
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All season it's been like this but I the last game of the year, the playoffs on the line and you play like this?!
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All season it's been like this but I the last game of the year, the playoffs on the line and you play like this?!
I'll never forget the worst final game played by a team I've ever seen - 2000 Playoffs; game 6 Tor vs NJ. Tor registered 6 shots on goal - THE WHOLE GAME ... 3/2/1 by period.
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Not a Bruins fan (Go Pens), but that is actually embarrassing. Your season is on the line and you are getting blown out by Ottawa? Bye bye Claude.
And the Sens may be hiring Claude :lol
But as bad as the Sens, they are 8th in the league in goals for. If our defense was way way better, we would be in the playoffs. We're fourth in the league in goals against. That being said, I'm looking forward to a summer of change. I hope Murray steps aside. It's for the best.
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All season it's been like this but I the last game of the year, the playoffs on the line and you play like this?!
I'll never forget the worst final game played by a team I've ever seen - 2000 Playoffs; game 6 Tor vs NJ. Tor registered 6 shots on goal - THE WHOLE GAME ... 3/2/1 by period.
it's called good defense
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ZGF!!!! How the hell are you?!!
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ZGF!!!! How the hell are you?!!
i'm doing well, just came back from a long hiatus, not great hockeywise i guess but happy to see old faces.
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Hey, Gil.
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Playoffs... We're taking about playoffs!!!
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I'd like to add...in week 7, the Flyers had a ~3.7% chance of making the playoffs, and the odds were still below 18% as late as week 20...and here we are at week 27, and they're in!
EDIT:, Yeah, after the way Boston shat on the ice today with the playoffs on the line, Claude is toast.
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St Louis vs Chicago, first round. Gonna be an interesting one!
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Just realized I started this thread and came back on the last day of season, that was epic symmetry
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A little late but ...
Still, I predict I will be making the following post by Saturday afternoon:
Welcome to Chokesville; population - Bruins.
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Just realized I started this thread and came back on the last day of season, that was epic symmetry
And I guess that's the reason I totally lapsed out that you haven't been around... I always saw your handle when coming into the NHL thread.
Nice to have see old names coming back to teh forumz.
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Fuck Habs, injuring one of our best players right on the doorsteps of the playoffs. Looks like we're going to be playing Detroit without Tyler Johnson now. Stamkos definitely won't return with his blood clot surgery. Doesn't look good for my Bolts.
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A little late but ...
Still, I predict I will be making the following post by Saturday afternoon:
Welcome to Chokesville; population - Bruins.
Well duh.
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Part of me wants the Islanders to lose today so the Rangers can finish ahead of them. The other part of me wants them to win so that the Rangers play Florida instead of Pittsburgh.
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(https://d.thewhistle.com/media/uploads/hockey/red_wings_meme2.jpg)
Thank you, Ottawa. Now we get to go up against Yzerman and the Bolts again (ugh)
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Part of me wants the Islanders to lose today so the Rangers can finish ahead of them. The other part of me wants them to win so that the Rangers play Florida instead of Pittsburgh.
I think the Rangers might win for losing today. I've got a feeling that Pittsburgh is making a run this year.
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If recent history has shown us anything, it's that it doesn't really matter how hot or cold a team is down the stretch before the playoffs. Once the playoffs begin, it's a whole new ball game.
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St Louis vs Chicago, first round. Gonna be an interesting one!
Law of Averages say we (StL) will beat Chicago...eventually...Right? :lol I have a bunch of buddies who are "scared" and worried about Chicago. The way I look at it, we've played them tough the past few years and have a pretty good team this year. You''re probably gonna have to go through Chicago to get to the Cup anyway so might as well get it out of the way right off the bat. If we lose well....we lose, what's new? But when we beat them in 6 games that'll be a huge boost not only getting the first round and done monkey off their back but it'll be beating a great team.
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Gary, you're more optimistic than I am. I am expecting another first round gag job, so hey, if they somehow pull it off, I'll be happily surprised. Dip shit Hitchcock was mixing the lines up last night again, too. Yeah, the lines they had been using were working too well, so let's change it and make guys play with others they normally don't play with, right before the playoffs. Brilliant. :\
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Gary, you're more optimistic than I am. I am expecting another first round gag job, so hey, if they somehow pull it off, I'll be happily surprised. Dip shit Hitchcock was mixing the lines up last night again, too. Yeah, the lines they had been using were working too well, so let's change it and make guys play with others they normally don't play with, right before the playoffs. Brilliant. :\
Like I said, I'd rather just either get it over with or use a series win against Chicago as a major moral and confidence boost. Don't get me wrong....Chicago is a friggin' awesome team. And they are an even better playoff team because year after year their star players show up in the playoffs and produce. That has been the Blues issue...our star players vanish. Other than Tarasenko (who performs in the playoffs) our best players are usually third and fourth line guys. I don't think that'll be the case this time and we can beat Chicago with our star players performing. I think they'll do it.
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Wow the Bruins suck. What a waste of a season. The goal was develop young players and make the playoffs. The did neither.
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St Louis vs Chicago, first round. Gonna be an interesting one!
Bring it on!
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The last game of the season ended nearly an hour ago and the NHL still hasn't announced the entire first round playoff schedule. God, the NHL sucks. :tdwn :tdwn
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Sharks vs Kings, I'm feeling good about this rematch. We've had their number for the most part this season, and we have the depth to handle injuries, unlike last time when we lost Pickles :'(
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
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Rest in peace Ed Snider.
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
Not sure if going through Florida is going to be easier than Pitt. Granted the Pens have been playing solid down the stretch, but they were a train wreck for a while. And their goaltending is beyond suspect going in to the playoffs. Definitely a good idea to avoid having to face Washington in the conference final, but knowing the Caps, they'll be gone in the 1st round anyway lol.
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Go Caps and such!
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
Not sure if going through Florida is going to be easier than Pitt. Granted the Pens have been playing solid down the stretch, but they were a train wreck for a while. And their goaltending is beyond suspect going in to the playoffs. Definitely a good idea to avoid having to face Washington in the conference final, but knowing the Caps, they'll be gone in the 1st round anyway lol.
It's the Stanley Cup playoffs, I really don't think there is such a thing as "easy" match up, my Pens have arguably been the best team in the league for the last month or so though, so I think they will be a tough team to play against. Goal tending is definitely the big question mark right now though, we have to wait and see if Fleury and/or Murray can play...
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Not happy at all about the Rangers match up against the Pens. >:( Then again, the Ranger's aren't a real contender this season, but I was hoping they'd make it out of the first round, not feeling it at all against the Pens.
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Not happy at all about the Rangers match up against the Pens. >:( Then again, the Ranger's aren't a real contender this season, but I was hoping they'd make it out of the first round, not feeling it at all against the Pens.
Yeah the Pens have been playing well against the Rags as of late, but King Henry can steal a round for sure!
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Not happy at all about the Rangers match up against the Pens. >:( Then again, the Ranger's aren't a real contender this season, but I was hoping they'd make it out of the first round, not feeling it at all against the Pens.
Yeah the Pens have been playing well against the Rags as of late, but King Henry can steal a round for sure!
Well as usual, King Henry is going to have to put the team on his shoulders. I think it's possible for sure, just unlikely given how good the Penguins have been lately.
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Not happy at all about the Rangers match up against the Pens. >:( Then again, the Ranger's aren't a real contender this season, but I was hoping they'd make it out of the first round, not feeling it at all against the Pens.
Yeah the Pens have been playing well against the Rags as of late, but King Henry can steal a round for sure!
Without a doubt. I wouldn't bet against NYR in the east solely due to Lundqvist. He can do more than steal a round; he could carry the Rangers all the way to the final. Still toast against literally any of the west teams though.
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Rest in peace Ed Snider.
:'(
Very sad way to start the week this morning.
As far as people who did not play the game, you would be hard pressed to find a single individual who had more impact on the game. The man had a vision and a city, and he brought them together. Every single player, coach, or member of the Flyers organization had no question that hockey, Philadelphia, and winning all ran through that man's blood. The void he leaves on the city and the sport is huge. I don't know exactly what this will mean for the future of the team, but for now, even if we can't honor him with a Stanley Cup, I hope the players give every ounce of themselves to pushing towards that goal.
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I was a huge Flyers fan in the 80s. Snider did some great work keeping that team competitive over a very long period of time. I'll be rooting for them ... and hard.
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I was a huge Flyers fan in the 80s. Snider did some great work keeping that team competitive over a very long period of time. I'll be rooting for them ... and hard.
Even before this happened I figured we'd have a lot of unusual fans this time around. People will be cheering for us to either knock out or at least soften up Washington and then Pittsburgh.
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I was a huge Flyers fan in the 80s. Snider did some great work keeping that team competitive over a very long period of time. I'll be rooting for them ... and hard.
Even before this happened I figured we'd have a lot of unusual fans this time around. People will be cheering for us to either knock out or at least soften up Washington and then Pittsburgh.
If Pittsburgh makes it past the first round.
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
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Why is that spineless? If they tanked on purpose to avoid playing the hottest team in the league, that is smart. Now, it is true, like has already been said, that there is no such thing as an easy round or path in the NHL playoffs, but the bracket the Islanders are in isn't as scary as the one the Rangers are in. They might lose in the first round and it will end up not mattering, but they increased their chances. That is smart.
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
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Why is that spineless? If they tanked on purpose to avoid playing the hottest team in the league, that is smart. Now, it is true, like has already been said, that there is no such thing as an easy round or path in the NHL playoffs, but the bracket the Islanders are in isn't as scary as the one the Rangers are in. They might lose in the first round and it will end up not mattering, but they increased their chances. That is smart.
A true competitor should always want to win. It shows a lack of competitive spirit to intentionally lose and if I were the Panthers, I would be happy about playing a team that loses on purpose.
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I think Philly has a good chance of knocking Washington out. Most times, the team that wins the President's Trophy doesn't win the cup. I'm rooting for the Broadstreet Bullies to win that series.
As for my state and team, the Wild are getting ripped in the media and rightfully so, for being a group of crybabies. I hope they don't go far/
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Wow. What a spineless showing from the Islanders. It's clear they were losing on purpose so they can get Florida instead of Pittsburgh. And the fans were happy about it too. Now the Rangers have to play Pittsburgh and either Washington or Philly to get to the conference finals while the Islanders have the easier sequence of Florida and either Detroit or an injured Lightning squad to play in order to get to the conference finals.
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Why is that spineless? If they tanked on purpose to avoid playing the hottest team in the league, that is smart. Now, it is true, like has already been said, that there is no such thing as an easy round or path in the NHL playoffs, but the bracket the Islanders are in isn't as scary as the one the Rangers are in. They might lose in the first round and it will end up not mattering, but they increased their chances. That is smart.
A true competitor should always want to win. It shows a lack of competitive spirit to intentionally lose and if I were the Panthers, I would be happy about playing a team that loses on purpose.
Eh, it's a marathon, not a sprint, and I am sure every player in the NHL knows you are not going to win every game. I doubt the Islanders went into that game thinking, "I hope we lose," but it's more likely they didn't get "up" for it, and combined when resting certain guys, they were okay with not giving themselves the best possible chance to win. This happens all the time in sports; it's not a big deal.
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I think Philly has a good chance of knocking Washington out. Most times, the team that wins the President's Trophy doesn't win the cup. I'm rooting for the Broadstreet Bullies to win that series.
As for my state and team, the Wild are getting ripped in the media and rightfully so, for being a group of crybabies. I hope they don't go far/
Eh, as a Pens fan I literally can't bring myself to root for Philly against the Caps. But I honestly don't see the Caps losing a series to the Flyers. The Caps are not playing their best hockey right now, but they are still a much stronger team than the Flyers.
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Yeah, I do think this may be the year the Caps make it to the finals, but they just have a history...
And very happy to see that the Sens fired their coaching staff, although our goaltending has always been the highlight when we suck, so I am sad to see Wamsley go, but I'm happy to clean house. And they said they are going to hire a proven coach. Yeo's name has been thrown around and if the Bruins fire Julien, then we would probably be front runners to land him
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Yeah, I do think this may be the year the Caps make it to the finals, but they just have a history...
And very happy to see that the Sens fired their coaching staff, although our goaltending has always been the highlight when we suck, so I am sad to see Wamsley go, but I'm happy to clean house. And they said they are going to hire a proven coach. Yeo's name has been thrown around and if the Bruins fire Julien, then we would probably be front runners to land him
Sens cleaning house was long overdue. They never should have given Cameron the permanent job after they canned the Walrus, he's a brutal coach. Not sure how he even made it out of the junior coaching ranks to begin with.
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I hate to beat this drum already, but if the officiating keeps up like this, the Blues have no shot. We already know the NHL loves them some big market teams, and that 1st period showed that quite clearly (marginal calls to give Chicago a 5 on 3, and then Backes gets interfered with and it isn't called when killing it).
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I hate to beat this drum already, but if the officiating keeps up like this, the Blues have no shot. We already know the NHL loves them some big market teams, and that 1st period showed that quite clearly (marginal calls to give Chicago a 5 on 3, and then Backes gets interfered with and it isn't called when killing it).
It's the Hawks Kev....defending Champs. Championship teams get calls like that and their infractions tend to be 'missed' from time to time. How about the Hawks player playing the puck and hitting our player while still in the box right when the door opened? A Clear penalty....you can't do that....but, It was pretty bad at time. but it all worked out :metal The goal Backes scored in OT is the type of goal that the Blues usually have go in on them....good to see a bounce go their way, especially after a couple calls that were missed for them.
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That was a playoff goal. Throw it at the net and get a weird deflection for a goal. After seeing the Blues spend the whole game passing too much in search of the perfect shot, that was sweet to see.
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Good start for the Pens last night, if King Henry can't play moving forward I'd say the Pens win this thing in 5 especially if we start getting some injured guys back in the lineup.
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Penguins look nasty.
I'm hoping for a Caps/Blues Finals, but I won't be surprised if Pittsburgh wins it all.
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That was a playoff goal. Throw it at the net and get a weird deflection for a goal. After seeing the Blues spend the whole game passing too much in search of the perfect shot, that was sweet to see.
Hopefully someone has grabbed Tarasenko and let him know that he can quit passing when he has open shots like the handful he had....I get that he might have thought a guy was open but when he's on the ice for the Blues there's no other Blues player out there that needs to be taking the shot unless its a rebound from one of his or deflection. Shoot Vladi!!! :lol
Like I said, it was good to see the Blues get one of those goals as historically those are the ones that go in on us...
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Good start for the Pens last night, if King Henry can't play moving forward I'd say the Pens win this thing in 5 especially if we start getting some injured guys back in the lineup.
Yea, that was tough watching Henrik get whacked and then give up that first goal. It was all down hill from there >:( Regardless, I can see the Pens winning in 5 even if Henrik is healthy. They are just playing so much better than the Rangers at this point in time.
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Good start for the Pens last night, if King Henry can't play moving forward I'd say the Pens win this thing in 5 especially if we start getting some injured guys back in the lineup.
Yea, that was tough watching Henrik get whacked and then give up that first goal. It was all down hill from there >:( Regardless, I can see the Pens winning in 5 even if Henrik is healthy. They are just playing so much better than the Rangers at this point in time.
They are playing about as well as their current roster can play. The scary thing is that they are playing this good with Malkin out, Fleury out, and several other forwards that have played well this year for them like Bennett and Rust.
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Good start for the Pens last night, if King Henry can't play moving forward I'd say the Pens win this thing in 5 especially if we start getting some injured guys back in the lineup.
Yea, that was tough watching Henrik get whacked and then give up that first goal. It was all down hill from there >:( Regardless, I can see the Pens winning in 5 even if Henrik is healthy. They are just playing so much better than the Rangers at this point in time.
They are playing about as well as their current roster can play. The scary thing is that they are playing this good with Malkin out, Fleury out, and several other forwards that have played well this year for them like Bennett and Rust.
The Rangers for the most part matched the Penguins in intensity and execution. The Hank injury and subsequent goal completely shifted the momentum and the Rangers made some mental mistakes that the Pens did not. The penalties were lopsided in favor of Pittsburgh as well. If the Rangers get Hank back and fix the mistakes that cost them the game, they can still make a series out of this.
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The Rangers for the most part matched the Penguins in intensity and execution. The Hank injury and subsequent goal completely shifted the momentum and the Rangers made some mental mistakes that the Pens did not. The penalties were lopsided in favor of Pittsburgh as well. If the Rangers get Hank back and fix the mistakes that cost them the game, they can still make a series out of this.
Eh, I'd say the game was like pretty much any other NHL game in terms of officiating, called poorly for both teams. I certainly agree that this will still be a tough series for the Pens to win, it's just encouraging as a Pens fan to finally see this team playing up to their potential and doing it at the right team of the year.
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Clearly a fluke goal from the Blues last night....
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Clearly a fluke playoff goal from the Blues last night....
those are they types of goals that are going to go in. Both teams are too good defensively where a "normal" shot is going to go straight in. It's going to bounce off a skate, off a player, be deflected...etc. Chicago knows it and that's why they tried all night to stuff one in like that. That wasn't a 'fluke'.....it was a 'game winner' :biggrin: :metal
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Clearly a fluke playoff goal from the Blues last night....
those are they types of goals that are going to go in. Both teams are too good defensively where a "normal" shot is going to go straight in. It's going to bounce off a skate, off a player, be deflected...etc. Chicago knows it and that's why they tried all night to stuff one in like that. That wasn't a 'fluke'.....it was a 'game winner' :biggrin: :metal
Valid point
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The Rangers for the most part matched the Penguins in intensity and execution. The Hank injury and subsequent goal completely shifted the momentum and the Rangers made some mental mistakes that the Pens did not. The penalties were lopsided in favor of Pittsburgh as well. If the Rangers get Hank back and fix the mistakes that cost them the game, they can still make a series out of this.
Eh, I'd say the game was like pretty much any other NHL game in terms of officiating, called poorly for both teams. I certainly agree that this will still be a tough series for the Pens to win, it's just encouraging as a Pens fan to finally see this team playing up to their potential and doing it at the right team of the year.
I wasn't saying the game was unfairly called. The refs called what they saw. The penalties were in favor of the Penguins because the Rangers made stupid mistakes that the Penguins didn't. That's why they won. Because they limited mistakes which gave them more opportunities.
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The Rangers for the most part matched the Penguins in intensity and execution. The Hank injury and subsequent goal completely shifted the momentum and the Rangers made some mental mistakes that the Pens did not. The penalties were lopsided in favor of Pittsburgh as well. If the Rangers get Hank back and fix the mistakes that cost them the game, they can still make a series out of this.
Eh, I'd say the game was like pretty much any other NHL game in terms of officiating, called poorly for both teams. I certainly agree that this will still be a tough series for the Pens to win, it's just encouraging as a Pens fan to finally see this team playing up to their potential and doing it at the right team of the year.
I wasn't saying the game was unfairly called. The refs called what they saw. The penalties were in favor of the Penguins because the Rangers made stupid mistakes that the Penguins didn't. That's why they won. Because they limited mistakes which gave them more opportunities.
Ah, cool, I misunderstood. First game was fun to watch, it should be a fun series to watch regardless of which way it goes!
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Clearly a fluke playoff goal from the Blues last night....
those are they types of goals that are going to go in. Both teams are too good defensively where a "normal" shot is going to go straight in. It's going to bounce off a skate, off a player, be deflected...etc. Chicago knows it and that's why they tried all night to stuff one in like that. That wasn't a 'fluke'.....it was a 'game winner' :biggrin: :metal
Exactly.
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Caps win a physical game 1. Good start.
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Caps win a physical game 1. Good start.
The series is going to the Caps, that much is clear after game 1.
First off, Caps are the stronger team, no doubt about that, and they are completely healthy to boot.
Next, you have the injury to Couturier. His importance to our team cannot be understated. He is key 1, 2, and 3 when shutting down big players, and his loss is huge.
Then there is Ghost, who should absolutely win the calder this year, for what he did for this team. As great as he was, he had a noticeable slowdown going into the playoffs. You have to remember he missed nearly all of last year with an injury. Coming back from that he's been asked to hop into the NHL, play good minutes, and now extend that into the playoffs. He's nearly out of gas.
Finally there is Streit and especially Voracek, who have been playing like crap. Voracek was doing well up until his last injury, and has just failed completely at having a great game since coming back.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'd expect Caps in 4 or 5, which kills me. :(
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I might seriously be done with the NHL. I have never seen a game so lopsided in the officiating.
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I might seriously be done with the NHL. I have never seen a game so lopsided in the officiating.
I literally cannot believe what I watched. If someone came up to me and told me that happened to their team I'd say they made it up. Anyone who says that first, the Tarasenko goal shouldn't have counted or second that Shaw didn't interfere with Elliot isn't intellectually honest. Plain and simple.
Had that been a Kane goal or a goal against Crawford....the goal would have stood and then goalie interference would have been called.
Of course, this is after the other things that went on that are laughable. I love the fact that a guy who violently assaulted a man two weeks ago by violently hitting him in the face with a stick is allowed to continue to play this year.
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Great game
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Great game
It really was. That's why I'm pi$$ed that the teams weren't allow to win or lose it.....it was decided by utterly horrid officiating.
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Yep, anybody who doesn't think that game wasn't decided by the officiating is either a Hawks homer, someone who didn't watch the game or a f'ing idiot.
One positive is, I have been considering not keeping cable when I move in two weeks, but kept thinking that I can't not watch the hockey playoffs, but after tonight, screw it. Sayonara, cable!
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Yep, anybody who doesn't think that game wasn't decided by the officiating is either a Hawks homer, someone who didn't watch the game or a f'ing idiot.
Oh....there will be people who think we're insane and just whining. Of which....they will fall into the three camps you've listed.
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Hitchcock owes it to the fans and his players to take the fine and go off on the NHL and the officiating.....
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Agreed. The team would be so behind him and fired up, it would be unreal, but he won't; it's not his nature.
Doesn't even matter anyway. The league isn't going to let the Blues beat the Hawks, so no point in even watching.
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All the Boston hockey writers are talking on Twitter about how poor the officiating was for that game.
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All the Boston hockey writers are talking on Twitter about how poor the officiating was for that game.
As a fan of the Blues it was infuriating.....I'm curious if anyone here who watched it with a partial eye could comment?
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Still fuming from this.....the officials were involved in every Chicago Goal. Blown Icing call that was clearly not icing leads to late goal, blown goal reverse call and blown goalie interference call.
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There is a clear bias towards some teams and against others. Pittsburgh use to have every call go their way but that has stopped for the most part in the past few years. Chicago, Boston, LA, and Montreal tend to have the refs on their side while both NY teams and St. Louis tend to get the shaft from the officiating crew. The refs openly admitted that they "missed" three calls that led directly to LA wins in their last cup run. Two in the finals against the Rangers and one in the game seven of their first round series against the Sharks (meaning if the game was called correctly, the Kings wouldn't have even been in the finals). I don't know if it's intentional bias or not although it certainly feels that way at times, but the refs have been deciding games way too often in recent years and that needs to change because it's making the sport much less enjoyable.
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Caps win a physical game 1. Good start.
The series is going to the Caps, that much is clear after game 1.
First off, Caps are the stronger team, no doubt about that, and they are completely healthy to boot.
Next, you have the injury to Couturier. His importance to our team cannot be understated. He is key 1, 2, and 3 when shutting down big players, and his loss is huge.
Then there is Ghost, who should absolutely win the calder this year, for what he did for this team. As great as he was, he had a noticeable slowdown going into the playoffs. You have to remember he missed nearly all of last year with an injury. Coming back from that he's been asked to hop into the NHL, play good minutes, and now extend that into the playoffs. He's nearly out of gas.
Finally there is Streit and especially Voracek, who have been playing like crap. Voracek was doing well up until his last injury, and has just failed completely at having a great game since coming back.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'd expect Caps in 4 or 5, which kills me. :(
I'm sorry folks, this post was clearly in error, but allow me to fix it now.
Had the reffing refs not reffing reffed us so hard, I feel we would have reffed a lot harder, and in the end, through a lot of reffing ref, we would have reffed our way to victory in the game. Then as long as the refs didn't ref so reffing ref, we would reffing take the series too. Fucking refs.
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Caps win a physical game 1. Good start.
The series is going to the Caps, that much is clear after game 1.
First off, Caps are the stronger team, no doubt about that, and they are completely healthy to boot.
Next, you have the injury to Couturier. His importance to our team cannot be understated. He is key 1, 2, and 3 when shutting down big players, and his loss is huge.
Then there is Ghost, who should absolutely win the calder this year, for what he did for this team. As great as he was, he had a noticeable slowdown going into the playoffs. You have to remember he missed nearly all of last year with an injury. Coming back from that he's been asked to hop into the NHL, play good minutes, and now extend that into the playoffs. He's nearly out of gas.
Finally there is Streit and especially Voracek, who have been playing like crap. Voracek was doing well up until his last injury, and has just failed completely at having a great game since coming back.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'd expect Caps in 4 or 5, which kills me. :(
I'm sorry folks, this post was clearly in error, but allow me to fix it now.
Had the reffing refs not reffing reffed us so hard, I feel we would have reffed a lot harder, and in the end, through a lot of reffing ref, we would have reffed our way to victory in the game. Then as long as the refs didn't ref so reffing ref, we would reffing take the series too. Fucking refs.
:lol
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If there was any indication from the end of the Lightning/Red Wings game last night, Game 3 is gonna be a blood bath.
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Big bounce back win for the Rangers. Going home with the series tied often makes a huge difference. Now let's keep the momentum on our side.
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Big bounce back win for the Rangers. Going home with the series tied often makes a huge difference. Now let's keep the momentum on our side.
:tup :tup :tup
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Welp. Steve Mason isn't gonna get any sleep for the next lifetime.
Yep, anybody who doesn't think that game wasn't decided by the officiating is either a Hawks homer, someone who didn't watch the game or a f'ing idiot.
Guess I'm a f'ing idiot then. ::)
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Damn Blues...
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/ff32e3a6e76942ea8992ddd9895ef22c/tumblr_n9a80xVi1j1tybfhmo1_250.gif)
:lol :lol
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Big bounce back win for the Rangers. Going home with the series tied often makes a huge difference. Now let's keep the momentum on our side.
Yup, HUGE win for the Rags. The Pens lacked all the things in that game that allowed them to finish the season so strong. Only difference, Geno back in the lineup...Could an elite level player like Malkin actually do more harm to their team than good by returning to the lineup and break up the chemistry of 4 lines that had been playing great?
Anyway, good game by the Rags they created some nice chances and cashed in. On to NYC we go!
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Big bounce back win for the Rangers. Going home with the series tied often makes a huge difference. Now let's keep the momentum on our side.
Yup, HUGE win for the Rags. The Pens lacked all the things in that game that allowed them to finish the season so strong. Only difference, Geno back in the lineup...Could an elite level player like Malkin actually do more harm to their team than good by returning to the lineup and break up the chemistry of 4 lines that had been playing great?
Anyway, good game by the Rags they created some nice chances and cashed in. On to NYC we go!
Yup, very nice game! Bring it back to the garden baby!
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Don't know if any of you saw this article on the coaches challenge for 'offsides', but it's pretty much right. The rule has done nothing to improve the game....
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-offside-coach-s-challenges-must-die-152539096.html
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What I saw of the Panthers/Islanders game last night was pretty great.
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Flyers didn't waste any time tonight!
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Don't know if any of you saw this article on the coaches challenge for 'offsides', but it's pretty much right. The rule has done nothing to improve the game....
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-offside-coach-s-challenges-must-die-152539096.html
This rule is ok for obvious misses - like the one that brought about the rule (see below - I like that picture better). The refs should get one-look at one angle, or a grand total of 15 seconds to review. If it can't be determined after that, then it doesn't get overturned.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDg875TCUAEKB5D.jpg)
Plays like this, where he Duchene then scored (primarily because the entire Predator team gave up on the play knowing it was offsides (and assuming a whistle was about to blow), deserve to be challenged. And the penalty to a lost challenge should be just that - a delay of game penalty - not a virtually meaningless loss of timeout... THAT matters in the NFL, it's meaningless in the NHL.
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The Flyers were supposed to be the team that could give the Capitals a tough series. Now it looks like the only teams in the East that have the potential to beat them are the Penguins and possibly the Rangers.
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Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
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Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
Tell me about it. Everything was going OK until the refs started penalizing us when the Caps through their heads into our fists, or their backs into our sticks.
Honestly though, that fluke goal off the boards is what really killed it. Down 2-1, I felt good about coming back, we were showing a lot of life. But then that happened and things just went to shit. I feel bad about Orpik, as that was just a normal hit that had some seriously bad results. Be interesting to see what his status is in the coming days.
I can see us digging in and getting a win in game 4, maybe, but there is little to no chance this series goes past 5 games.
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So I really want to get into hockey, the NHL specifically. I don't think I've ever watched a pro game in my life. I'm kind of partial to the Stars because I lived in and graduated from the Dallas area.
Is there a resource site for dummies that explains the simple stuff? Like... Are there conferences and divisions like the NFL? Who are the rivals? How do playoffs work? Etc.
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So I really want to get into hockey, the NHL specifically. I don't think I've ever watched a pro game in my life. I'm kind of partial to the Stars because I lived in and graduated from the Dallas area.
Is there a resource site for dummies that explains the simple stuff? Like... Are there conferences and divisions like the NFL? Who are the rivals? How do playoffs work? Etc.
There are 30 teams split into two conferences with two divisions each.
The Eastern Conference has 16 teams and they are organized into divisions as follows: The Atlantic Division is comprised of the Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Detroit Red Wings, Florida Panthers, Montreal Canadiens, Ottawa Senators, Tampa Bay Lightning, and Toronto Maple Leafs while the Metropolitan Division has the Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, Pittsburgh Penguins, and Washington Capitals.
The Western Conference has 14 teams and they are organized into divisions as follows: The Central Division contains the Chicago Blackhawks, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Minnesota Wild, Nashville Predators, St. Louis Blues, and Winnipeg Jets while the Pacific Division is filled by the Anaheim Ducks, Arizona Coyotes, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, and Vancouver Canucks.
The NHL playoffs are structured a bit differently than other sports' playoffs are formatted. Eight teams from each conference make the playoffs and don't play any cross conference playoff games until the Stanley Cup Finals, when the Eastern and Western Conference champions meet to determine the league champion. This is similar to other leagues that use a 16 team tournament but the way the teams are seeded in the bracket is completely different.
At regular seasons' end, the top three teams from each division plus two wild card teams make the playoffs in each conference. The higher seeded division winner plays the lower seeded wild card team in the first round while the lower seeded division winner plays the higher seeded wild card team. The second and third place team from each division play each other (for example, Atlantic team two plays Atlantic team 3).
In the second round, the first place team of a division or the wild card that they played depending on who wins the series plays the second or third place team of the division winner's division. In the third round which is the Conference Finals, the remaining two teams from each conference play each other. The winning teams from those two matchups advance to the Stanley Cup Finals and whoever wins that is crowned as the league champion.
There are some intense rivalries in the league. Most are division rivalries (meaning two teams in the same division) but some are historical and predate the current division system. Some major division rivalries include Rangers-Islanders and Penguins-Capitals from the Metropolitan Division, Bruins-Canadiens and Maple Leafs-Red Wings from the Atlantic Division, Blackhawks-Blues and Stars-Wild from the Central Division, and Kings-Sharks and Oilers-Flames from the Pacific Division. Historical rivalries include Rangers-Bruins and Red Wings-Blackhawks.
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Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
Some Philly fans really lived up to their sterling reputation.
Hope the Caps can wrap this thing up tomorrow nice. Don't want to see this series prolonged and have a Caps player get hurt unnecessarily by a Flyers player frustrated by getting completely outclassed.
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Pulling for the Caps these playoffs so I enjoyed last night. Hopefully tomorrow's game isn't too much of a bloodbath.
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Don't know if any of you saw this article on the coaches challenge for 'offsides', but it's pretty much right. The rule has done nothing to improve the game....
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-offside-coach-s-challenges-must-die-152539096.html
This rule is ok for obvious misses - like the one that brought about the rule (see below - I like that picture better). The refs should get one-look at one angle, or a grand total of 15 seconds to review. If it can't be determined after that, then it doesn't get overturned.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDg875TCUAEKB5D.jpg)
Plays like this, where he Duchene then scored (primarily because the entire Predator team gave up on the play knowing it was offsides (and assuming a whistle was about to blow), deserve to be challenged. And the penalty to a lost challenge should be just that - a delay of game penalty - not a virtually meaningless loss of timeout... THAT matters in the NFL, it's meaningless in the NHL.
I like the rule for what it says and was intended for....egregeous errors. Not these micro second less than half of a half of a blink of an eye stuff. You could look at every entry into the zone and probably find that a good percentage of them are 'technically' offside.
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Yeah upholding the rules of the game really hurts the integrity of the game. :P
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Yeah upholding the rules of the game really hurts the integrity of the game. :P
Well....I don't think there's much else to say about it. If you want to stop the game for several minutes at a time to determine that a players skate is 1/4" off the ice each time a goal is scored or they enter the zone then you get what you pay for I suppose. 'Egregious' is the word in the rule....which to me interprets as stopping the plays that were just missed by the naked eye...the "obvious" ones. Not micro, millimeter offsides.....as I said, I don't know the exact percentage but I'd be willing to bet 20 or 30 percent of all entries into the zone are offside according to the rules.
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Yeah upholding the rules of the game really hurts the integrity of the game. :P
Well....I don't think there's much else to say about it. If you want to stop the game for several minutes at a time to determine that a players skate is 1/4" off the ice each time a goal is scored or they enter the zone then you get what you pay for I suppose. 'Egregious' is the word in the rule....which to me interprets as stopping the plays that were just missed by the naked eye...the "obvious" ones. Not micro, millimeter offsides.....as I said, I don't know the exact percentage but I'd be willing to bet 20 or 30 percent of all entries into the zone are offside according to the rules.
Personally, I don't have a major problem with the coach's challenge, but it definitely needs tweaking. I would rather they get the call right, but I also don't like a lot of extra delays for review. Maybe if they penalized the challenging team with a delay of game penalty if the challenge fails, then we'd see coaches only use the challenge for good reason. Or pure desperation, I suppose.
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It's funny the league is so concerned with this sort of call, meanwhile clutch and grab hockey rules the day, scoring is down, and stars in the league are being held to less points than ever before. I love hockey much more than football, but I feel like the NHL could learn a thing or two from the NFL. The NFL puts it's star players in a position to score, and has made the effort to increase scoring across the board. The NHL could really benefit from a mindset change in that direction.
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It's funny the league is so concerned with this sort of call, meanwhile clutch and grab hockey rules the day, scoring is down, and stars in the league are being held to less points than ever before. I love hockey much more than football, but I feel like the NHL could learn a thing or two from the NFL. The NFL puts it's star players in a position to score, and has made the effort to increase scoring across the board. The NHL could really benefit from a mindset change in that direction.
Interesting the football comparison. I think that if they actually made the Blue Line/offside rule to nix the skate having to be on the ice and change it to the Blue line is kind of like the goal line in football....it just extends upwards and all you have to do is break the line so to speak....that'd still allow the egregious calls to be made and would eliminate these micro offiside calls.
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Yeah I kinda was addressing the way the league is called now in a broader sense, not specifically the blue line stuff.
Allowing as much clutch and grab hockey as they are almost directly decreases scoring, highly skilled players are driving into the offensive zone and being held up constantly which prevents scoring chances that could lead to goals. People want to see goals, people want to see stars dominate, people want excitement.
That's one of the reasons the NFL is so successful, fantasy leagues are driven by stats and scoring. When big players score, fantasy leagues are sustained. People watch games because they are in fantasy leagues, ratings on TV generate insane revenue for football. The NFL knows all this and has made adjustments to the game to promote it.
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I'm tired of the Rangers having to play both the Penguins and the refs. The officials aren't calling obvious penalties on dangerous plays. It's fucking bullshit and I'm sick of it.
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How is this not a penalty, ejection and major suspension:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x83EXTjhaWY
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How is this not a penalty, ejection and major suspension:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x83EXTjhaWY
Didn't get to watch that game tonight, but wow… :facepalm: I'm sure he'll eventually get a little slap on the wrist like Keith did. That's just awful… now I want the Rangers to win that series even more.
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anyone else just witness corey crawford charge our player, begin to fight him and then watch as St. Louis ends up on the penalty kill AFTER crawford started the whole thing?
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this is a travesty against St. Louis
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And then the Hawks score. The NHL really does want Chicago to win. It's so obvious.
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And then the Hawks score. The NHL really does want Chicago to win. It's so obvious.
I seriously cannot believe what I just saw. How in the :censored can a goalie leave his crease and start a fight and NOT get a penalty called on him? oh...its a chicago goalie. forgot. So....when that happens you also throw a couple penalties against the other team just to rub it in a bit.
If I were st. louis I'd take the loss right now and head hunt the rest of the game. I'd hurt Kane, Toews....all of them
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Nah, you can't do that, since guys could get suspended for the next few games, and since they are Blues, you know they would be, but Hitchcock, win or lose tonight, needs to go off like nobody's business after this. Take the fine and call out the officials like they robbed his grandmother.
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Nah, you can't do that, since guys could get suspended for the next few games, and since they are Blues, you know they would be, but Hitchcock, win or lose tonight, needs to go off like nobody's business after this. Take the fine and call out the officials like they robbed his grandmother.
We can afford to lose Bortuzzo. I'd tell him to head hunt Kane plain and simple.
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so nice to watch a team score and dominate WITHOUT the help and obvious favoritism of the officiating.. :metal
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Are you bipolar, gmillerdrake? Completely unrelated. :lol Kidding, that was a bad call. The refs could have even evened it up and it would have been fine, but giving St. Louis an extra minor is strange, unless something I can't see on the replays happened to warrant it.
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And then the Hawks score. The NHL really does want Chicago to win. It's so obvious.
Funny it looks to me like the Blues are up 3-1 in the series.
You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
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Not a Blues fan but I'm actually stoked that they won tonight. Really hope they wrap this series up next game.
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You'd be bitching if your team was getting screwed that badly.
And despite all that, the Blues lead 3 games to 1.
F you, NHL.
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You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
It's tough to watch when your team repeatedly gets the shaft on some plainly obvious homer calls from the refs. It'd be different if it were just 'us' talking about it but I guarantee....just like the game two shafting.....these calls the refs made tonight will be mentioned everywhere. I'm curious as to if you even watched the game(s)?
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You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
It's tough to watch when your team repeatedly gets the shaft on some plainly obvious homer calls from the refs. It'd be different if it were just 'us' talking about it but I guarantee....just like the game two shafting.....these calls the refs made tonight will be mentioned everywhere. I'm curious as to if you even watched the game(s)?
All of em. And wasn't there a too many men call against the Blues that wasn't called?
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You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
It's tough to watch when your team repeatedly gets the shaft on some plainly obvious homer calls from the refs. It'd be different if it were just 'us' talking about it but I guarantee....just like the game two shafting.....these calls the refs made tonight will be mentioned everywhere. I'm curious as to if you even watched the game(s)?
All of em. And wasn't there a too many men call against the Blues that wasn't called?
I'm sure you can fabricate one if you try really, really hard, but in what world does a goalie not only start a fight and not get a penalty, but sees his team end up with a PP as a result? Even Chi sportswriters were talking about awful it was (on twitter).
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You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
It's tough to watch when your team repeatedly gets the shaft on some plainly obvious homer calls from the refs. It'd be different if it were just 'us' talking about it but I guarantee....just like the game two shafting.....these calls the refs made tonight will be mentioned everywhere. I'm curious as to if you even watched the game(s)?
All of em. And wasn't there a too many men call against the Blues that wasn't called?
I'm sure you can fabricate one if you try really, really hard, but in what world does a goalie not only start a fight and not get a penalty, but sees his team end up with a PP as a result? Even Chi sportswriters were talking about awful it was (on twitter).
There were plenty of times that I think the Hawks should've been sent to the box, but being a Hawks fan, I'm not gonna put up too much of a fuss. Life goes on.
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I am just saying, just about anyone would be pretty aggravated if their team was on the receiving end of some calls the Blues have been in this series.
What's key is how the Blues have responded to them. They responded to the Game 2 nonsense by winning Game 3 by dominating the 3rd period, and after that total screw job in the 2nd period tonight, they ripped off three straight goals and won the game. Blues teams of years past would have collapsed under the weight of such adversity; this Blues team is thriving. It's beautiful to see so far.
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HUGE win for the Pens at MSG last night. Upgrading from our 3rd string goaltender to our 2nd string goaltender helps, haha.
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And the city of Philadelphia continues to earn their reputation as the Mos Eisley of sports fandom.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/04/19/flyers-condemn-fans-who-threw-bracelets/
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Curious to as everyone's opinions to Andrew Shaw calling the referee a "Fuc%ing Fag%ot" not once....but twice caught on camera....and gave him the double finger? If i were a betting man I say all he gets is a small fine. But, it's great when a persons true character start to bubble to the surface. Keep it classy Shaw :tup
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And the city of Philadelphia continues to earn their reputation as the Mos Eisley of sports fandom.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/04/19/flyers-condemn-fans-who-threw-bracelets/
Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
Some Philly fans really lived up to their sterling reputation.
Every city has good and shit fans.
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Curious to as everyone's opinions to Andrew Shaw calling the referee a "Fuc%ing Fag%ot" not once....but twice caught on camera....and gave him the double finger? If i were a betting man I say all he gets is a small fine. But, it's great when a persons true character start to bubble to the surface. Keep it classy Shaw :tup
Simmonds got into a similar situation once and they deemed they didn't have enough conclusive proof to do anything. I guess it depends on if anyone wants to speak out against him.
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And the city of Philadelphia continues to earn their reputation as the Mos Eisley of sports fandom.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/04/19/flyers-condemn-fans-who-threw-bracelets/
Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
Some Philly fans really lived up to their sterling reputation.
Every city has good and shit fans.
Ahh, didn't look back far enough.
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Curious to as everyone's opinions to Andrew Shaw calling the referee a "Fuc%ing Fag%ot" not once....but twice caught on camera....and gave him the double finger? If i were a betting man I say all he gets is a small fine. But, it's great when a persons true character start to bubble to the surface. Keep it classy Shaw :tup
Simmonds got into a similar situation once and they deemed they didn't have enough conclusive proof to do anything. I guess it depends on if anyone wants to speak out against him.
He was already unlikable for me due to his 'agitator' role for Chicago....which he's GREAT at....and I can understand being heated.....but saying that once (to the ref on the ice when he made the call) is "understandable" I suppose given the heat of the moment. But to continue on and say the same phrase again...after banging your stick on the glass to make sure folks are looking...that's where it becomes shady to me.
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You guys need to stop bitching and whining, and stop watching if you don't like it.
It's tough to watch when your team repeatedly gets the shaft on some plainly obvious homer calls from the refs. It'd be different if it were just 'us' talking about it but I guarantee....just like the game two shafting.....these calls the refs made tonight will be mentioned everywhere. I'm curious as to if you even watched the game(s)?
All of em. And wasn't there a too many men call against the Blues that wasn't called?
There was also this BS (https://streamable.com/feyw) that went uncalled.
Curious to as everyone's opinions to Andrew Shaw calling the referee a "Fuc%ing Fag%ot" not once....but twice caught on camera....and gave him the double finger? If i were a betting man I say all he gets is a small fine. But, it's great when a persons true character start to bubble to the surface. Keep it classy Shaw :tup
Simmonds got into a similar situation once and they deemed they didn't have enough conclusive proof to do anything. I guess it depends on if anyone wants to speak out against him.
He was already unlikable for me due to his 'agitator' role for Chicago....which he's GREAT at....and I can understand being heated.....but saying that once (to the ref on the ice when he made the call) is "understandable" I suppose given the heat of the moment. But to continue on and say the same phrase again...after banging your stick on the glass to make sure folks are looking...that's where it becomes shady to me.
True. Yeah I definitely wouldn't take issue with him getting punished for this. It's kinda lame though that (as with most of these situations) if it didn't get caught on camera the NHL wouldn't even care.
EDIT: At the same time I kinda like what Scrivens had to say. (https://twitter.com/ben_scrivens/status/722784580017631234)
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There was also this BS (https://streamable.com/feyw) that went uncalled.
I didn't see that....looked clean to me. ha ha ha
Listen....I'm certain I could pick through an entire game and show multiple occasions where Chicago has gotten away with a penalty just as I'm sure there are occasions the Blues have as well.
But that doesn't change the fact that there is one team that has greatly benefited from some very questionable calls and non calls and it's not the Blues.
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Shaw might get a suspension for it
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Up until around 8 years ago, I used the word "faggot" a lot, mainly when messing with friends and whatnot, but never did I use it as a derogatory term for a gay person. Speaking of, I was a huge culprit to "fill in the blank" is gay, meaning to say something is lame.
Not condoning what the dude said, but can relate.
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I used to use it a lot, as soon as even a couple years ago is when I started trying to purge it from my vocab. I never use it nowadays, which is good.
Great article by Chris Hine on the matter. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-shaw-homophobic-slur-blackhawks-spt-0421-20160420-column.html)
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Up until around 8 years ago, I used the word "faggot" a lot, mainly when messing with friends and whatnot, but never did I use it as a derogatory term for a gay person. Speaking of, I was a huge culprit to "fill in the blank" is gay, meaning to say something is lame.
Not condoning what the dude said, but can relate.
This. I think pretty much my whole mid teen years our group of friends used it a lot....and the whole 'fill in the blank' is gay thing also. I'm thinking around it wasn't until I was around 18-19 that I really realized how offensive that could come off so I just eliminated it from the vocabulary.
I'm sure Shaw regrets saying it....and I'd be willing to bet he in no way meant it as a direct shot at gays.....I'm thinking he was using it in the same context that I and you did when we were younger. He was ticked and fired up. Problem is, there's cameras everywhere and we are in a culture now where if you're in the slightest famous or whatever your every move and word is going to be analyzed and you'll be hammered on if it's something like this.
I wouldn't mind seeing him sit the next game though :biggrin:
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Up until around 8 years ago, I used the word "faggot" a lot, mainly when messing with friends and whatnot, but never did I use it as a derogatory term for a gay person. Speaking of, I was a huge culprit to "fill in the blank" is gay, meaning to say something is lame.
Not condoning what the dude said, but can relate.
This. I think pretty much my whole mid teen years our group of friends used it a lot....and the whole 'fill in the blank' is gay thing also. I'm thinking around it wasn't until I was around 18-19 that I really realized how offensive that could come off so I just eliminated it from the vocabulary.
I'm sure Shaw regrets saying it....and I'd be willing to bet he in no way meant it as a direct shot at gays.....I'm thinking he was using it in the same context that I and you did when we were younger. He was ticked and fired up. Problem is, there's cameras everywhere and we are in a culture now where if you're in the slightest famous or whatever your every move and word is going to be analyzed and you'll be hammered on if it's something like this.
I wouldn't mind seeing him sit the next game though :biggrin:
You got your wish. And he got a $5,000 fine. Which is fair
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Honestly surprised he got a suspension. No qualms with it I just expected a fine, tops.
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Honestly surprised he got a suspension. No qualms with it I just expected a fine, tops.
Same here. I thought they'd throw a $15-$20k fine at him, and let the apology be that. Is the NHL setting a precedent here?
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Hope that guy is okay...
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And the city of Philadelphia continues to earn their reputation as the Mos Eisley of sports fandom.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/04/19/flyers-condemn-fans-who-threw-bracelets/
Epic meltdown in Philly tonight.
Some Philly fans really lived up to their sterling reputation.
Every city has good and shit fans.
As a die hard Philly sports fan, usually I'm the first in line to defend my teams, and my town, and point out that there are assholes in every city.
But even I can't defend this or explain it away. I've got nothing. It's a shame about 100 or so shit heads had to go ahead and give the collective fan base another black eye. Pathetic.
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Hope that guy is okay...
Yeah that looked real ugly. :-\ Very unfortunate. Never wanna see stuff like that.
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Shaw flicks off the officials, calls a player a f'ing faggot on national TV, and instigates a brawl after the game is over...and only gets a one-game suspension.
Letang tries to take some guy's head off with his stick...and gets NOTHING.
Unbelievable.
My brother has said it for years: the NHL is a garage league.
I love hockey, so I will keep watching, but it could be so much better.
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I wonder how Bettman feels about the Hawks looking to be eliminated
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I wonder how Bettman feels about the Hawks looking to be eliminated
Bettman is 10lbs of douche-bag-ass-clown in a 5lb bucket. There's a reason he gets boo'd every single goddamn year when he is at the draft, or handing out the cup.
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Both the Hawks and the Kings in a bad position in the first round. Crazy. But I love it. :D
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Both the Hawks and the Kings in a bad position in the first round. Crazy. But I love it. :D
Would love to see some new blood emerge from the West. The Blues or Sharks making the Finals would be awesome.
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Both the Hawks and the Kings in a bad position in the first round. Crazy. But I love it. :D
Would love to see some new blood emerge from the West. The Blues or Sharks making the Finals would be awesome.
If my Rangers are eliminated those are the next two teams that I would root for. Both fanbases have endured enough heartbreak and deserve to see their team win it all.
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Would love to see some new blood emerge from the West. The Blues or Sharks making the Finals would be awesome.
Agreed. Sure I want it to be the Blues but I'd love to see some other teams there rather than the "usuals' of the past few years.
And, I still think your Stanley Cup Champion comes from the Western Conference. :biggrin:
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Would love to see some new blood emerge from the West. The Blues or Sharks making the Finals would be awesome.
Agreed. Sure I want it to be the Blues but I'd love to see some other teams there rather than the "usuals' of the past few years.
And, I still think your Stanley Cup Champion comes from the Western Conference. :biggrin:
Pretty much a given. Even as dominant as the Caps were this season, no team from the east is going to beat any team that comes out of the west. I would even put money on the Preds to take out the east representative in the final.
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So close. The Blues better win tomorrow night or the pressure is all on them in Game 7 at home Monday.
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The Rangers are finished. They have no fight left in them and I see no way of them coming back from being down 3-1.
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The Rangers are finished. They have no fight left in them and I see no way of them coming back from being down 3-1.
Great win for my Pens, really tough loss for the Rags. The Pens played a complete game and honestly the Rangers looked lost out there at times.
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So close. The Blues better win tomorrow night or the pressure is all on them in Game 7 at home Monday.
what a bummer of a game to lose. Especially when you mount a two goal come back in the third period and utterly dominate the first OT. Oh well. I still don't think Chicago has outplayed the Blues at all this series. If not for the game two debacle of officiating this series is over already. I highly doubt they beat Chicago again in Chicago, and I'd almost prefer it to go to game 7 just so the Blues can beat Chicago in front of their fans. Just as much as I doubt the Blues beat chicago three times in chicago....I don't see chicago beating the blues three times in St. Louis.
But this has been one heck of a series and it really doesn't seem fair that one of these teams will be out of the hunt. Not a big fan of a 107 pt team playing a 103 pt team in the first round. It's more of a punishment to both of them for doing good all season than anything.
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Hawks didn't deserve that win last night. That being said, Kaner's OT goal was absolutely beautiful!
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Hawks didn't deserve that win last night. That being said, Kaner's OT goal was absolutely beautiful!
I think he's the only one on the ice that knew where that puck was. He never lost sight of it. I was worried that he'd strike because of how well we've kept him off the board.
"Deserve" doesn't cut it though. Of course I think the Blues "deserved" to have won it due to the comeback and how well they played in the first OT but when they left the first period ties 0-0 that was the killer because it "should of/could have been" 2 or 3 to 0. They poured it on and had nothing to show for it. That goal they allowed with .4 seconds to go in the second period didn't help matters either.
I'd be utterly shocked to see the Blues win tomorrow and am expecting a game 7 Monday night and have spent the majority of the morning talking myself out of spending $400 to go to the game.
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Hawks didn't deserve that win last night. That being said, Kaner's OT goal was absolutely beautiful!
I think he's the only one on the ice that knew where that puck was. He never lost sight of it. I was worried that he'd strike because of how well we've kept him off the board.
"Deserve" doesn't cut it though. Of course I think the Blues "deserved" to have won it due to the comeback and how well they played in the first OT but when they left the first period ties 0-0 that was the killer because it "should of/could have been" 2 or 3 to 0. They poured it on and had nothing to show for it. That goal they allowed with .4 seconds to go in the second period didn't help matters either.
I'd be utterly shocked to see the Blues win tomorrow and am expecting a game 7 Monday night and have spent the majority of the morning talking myself out of spending $400 to go to the game.
If this happens, and they lose game 7, the rage-post will be beyond epic. I fear for mrs.miller and the boys.
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If this happens, and they lose game 7, the rage-post will be beyond epic. I fear for mrs.miller and the boys.
I don't know if I'll rage...honestly. If it were to happen I think I'd be more in disbelief than anything.
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If this happens, and they lose game 7, the rage-post will be beyond epic. I fear for mrs.miller and the boys.
I don't know if I'll rage...honestly. If it were to happen I think I'd be more in disbelief than anything.
I'm sure it'll evolve into rage. :biggrin:
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Stay off of Twitter if that happens. :lol
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I swear I'm Neuvirth's good luck charm. He always stands on his head against the Habs and now he's giving the Caps Halak flashbacks.
EDIT: 1 less shot and they would have tied the record for least shots by a winning team in the playoffs. Jesus.
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Damn that was a good game. Philly played a decent 3rd period, despite not having many shots.
Overheard during Dal-Min just now ... Ytse Jam. :metal
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Damn that was a good game. Philly played a decent 3rd period, despite not having many shots.
Overheard during Dal-Min just now ... Ytse Jam. :metal
Yeah I caught that too. The Glass Prison played during the Philly-Washington game as well.
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Sharks left a weak 2nd period behind to eliminate the Kings in the 3rd. Two of the filthiest goals you'll see from YA BOI Donskoi; so happy to see this team shrug off their last encounter with the Kings. The 2nd round's going to be an ugly one though, although I wouldn't ask for any less!
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It's the last Saturday in April, and the Red Wings have already been brushed aside. Kudos to Mr. Yzerman and Tampa Bay yet again.
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Sharks left a weak 2nd period behind to eliminate the Kings in the 3rd. Two of the filthiest goals you'll see from YA BOI Donskoi; so happy to see this team shrug off their last encounter with the Kings. The 2nd round's going to be an ugly one though, although I wouldn't ask for any less!
Congrats! I really hope to have that same feeling in about 15 hrs or so. Please send a couple filthy goals for the Blues tonight....thanks.
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Kings are out.
Red Wings are out.
Hopefully, the Blues can knock the Blackhawks out and all will be right with the hockey world. :hat
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Hopefully, the Blues can knock the Blackhawks out and all will be right with the hockey world. :hat
I still believe they'll knock them out....just not tonight. I really can't imagine that they can beat Chicago..in Chicago...three times in one series. But, we shall see. Maybe the hockey gods will make all things right in the world and work it to where the travesty of game 2 is rewarded with a 'W' tonight.
Or the Blues just continue to whip Chicago and win.
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I think one thing is clear in these playoffs: home ice does not mean much. Home teams in these playoffs are 15-24. :eek :eek
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I think one thing is clear in these playoffs: home ice does not mean much. Home teams in these playoffs are 15-24. :eek :eek
wow. just speaks to how good all these teams are.
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It's the last Saturday in April, and the Red Wings have already been brushed aside. Kudos to Mr. Yzerman and Tampa Bay yet again.
There's still one more Saturday left.
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I think one thing is clear in these playoffs: home ice does not mean much. Home teams in these playoffs are 15-24. :eek :eek
wow. just speaks to how good all these teams are.
That's the beauty of the NHL playoffs. Anybody can beat anybody. You look at the NBA playoffs and probably six or seven of the first round matches are easy picks as far as who is going to win the series, but in the NHL, any result in any series will not be a surprise.
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WTF Kings??? You would think your team being in first place most of the year means they will go far. Not in this damn sport! :tdwn ::)
But at least the Sharks are still in it, until they crash and burn as usual. Stupid Ducks will probably go to the final. >:(
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Thank you Sharks for eliminating the Kings. I will never root for them again after the refs handed them the Stanley Cup two years ago against my Rangers (and essentially admitted so as well).
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That was shameful how often the Rangers left their stud goalie out to dry today.
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FUCK YOU RANGERS!!!!!!!!!
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#FreeTarasenko
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Way to go, Ken Hitchcock.
You've somehow managed to do a crappy ass job at getting your team ready to play in between the 1st and 2nd periods this series, and now you've pissed off your best player by not giving him nearly enough ice time.
What a shit bag he has turned out to be.
Just fire his ass now and let one of the assistants take over for Monday.
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And it's amazing the pass that Paul Stastny is getting.
In 12 playoff games with the Blues now, he has:
one goal (last year)
one assist (last night)
-6 +/-
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And it's amazing the pass that Paul Stastny is getting.
In 12 playoff games with the Blues now, he has:
one goal (last year)
one assist (last night)
-6 +/-
Oh...he's not getting a pass from me. >:( I've been dogging him all year because we gave super star $$ to a third/fourth line player. Just because you win more face offs than you lose and you have (1) good point producing season doesn't mean you're a superstar. The goals he's missed because he has no aim is infuriating. The Blues were insane to give him that contract. Long story short....a Father of one of my kids buddies is a Police officer who's worked the Blues games since the early 90's. He hangs out with Brett Hull and says that Hullie warned the Blues until he was red in the face that Stastny wasn't worth the time or $$.
Looks like Brett was right.
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#FreeTarasenko
Way to go, Ken Hitchcock.
You've somehow managed to do a crappy ass job at getting your team ready to play in between the 1st and 2nd periods this series, and now you've pissed off your best player by not giving him nearly enough ice time.
What a shit bag he has turned out to be.
Just fire his ass now and let one of the assistants take over for Monday.
Kev, like I told you the other day via text....I truly believe Hitchcock does not like Tarasenko. there have been instances like this throughout Tarasenko's career with Hitchcock....and there has been at least a dozen or so 'confrontations' on the bench between the two.
It was utterly ridiculous that Tarasenko wasn't on that PP to start with at the end of the second period...regardless of his line having just been out there. He has (3) of the (5) PP goals this series and (17) on the year. He can catch his breath.
Thankfully...one way or the other this will be Hitchcocks last season as a coach. If we 'win it all' he can ride his chubby butt off into the sunset.....if we don't then he's gone as well. Sure, he's a "good" coach but I'm one of the many who think he shouldn't even have been back for this season. If they lose tomorrow night I'd fire him during the post game press conference.
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Agreed.
However, the 2nd period implosion cannot hide the fact that the Blues got screwed again badly by the officiating.
-the Hawks go-ahead (winning) goal came after Shattenkirk's stick was slashed out of his hand (by the same guy I believe who scored the goal).
-Tarasenko took a clear slash to the wrist in the offensive zone in the 3rd period. No call.
-the Hawks player was clearly offsides on the play that resulted in the hook that led to the PP that enabled Chicago to go up 5-3.
Don't get me wrong, the Blues dug their own hole last night with their pathetic play in the 2nd period, but the officiating was heavily slanted in favor of Chicago again.
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Agreed.
However, the 2nd period implosion cannot hide the fact that the Blues got screwed again badly by the officiating.
-the Hawks go-ahead (winning) goal came after Shattenkirk's stick was slashed out of his hand (by the same guy I believe who scored the goal).
-Tarasenko took a clear slash to the wrist in the offensive zone in the 3rd period. No call.
-the Hawks player was clearly offsides on the play that resulted in the hook that led to the PP that enabled Chicago to go up 5-3.
Don't get me wrong, the Blues dug their own hole last night with their pathetic play in the 2nd period, but the officiating was heavily slanted in favor of Chicago again.
Yeah....all three of those instances were BS. That "hook" was a load of crap.....and the only reason it was called is because the Blues had a solid four or five minutes of wave after wave coming at Chicago, they were on the verge of tying that game.
It's pretty evident that Chicago can do what they want to Tarasenko...he's been slashed a good dozen times in the ankles and hands with nothing but a head turn from the refs.....if we sneeze on a Chicago player its 2:00 in the box
And for there to be no call on the Shattenkirk stick being slashed out of his hands is just another example of the calls I guess you get to get away with after you win a cup? There's no other explanation because it was clear as day.
I still say we beat them by two goals tomorrow night. Chicago has had (1) good period against the Blues the entire series and that was the second period last night. We've outplayed them in all the rest and if not for game 2 this series would be over already.
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Reffing refs. They totally reffed the Flyers in the ref and gave this series to the reffing Capitals. I hope the Capitals and Penguins don't have this issue, and are allowed to go ref themselves.
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Flyers are out, but I can't say I'm broken up over it. If back in December, when they had a <4% chance of making the playoffs and were in the middle of what was very clearly a rebuilding year with a coach who had no pro experience, someone had told me that they'd make the playoffs and even win a couple of games against the President's Trophy winner, I'd have thought that was better than the best-case scenario. So as weird as it sounds to say I'm satisfied with a first round exit, I am. And who knows how it would have gone had Couturier not gotten injured so early.
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Reffing refs. They totally reffed the Flyers in the ref and gave this series to the reffing Capitals. I hope the Capitals and Penguins don't have this issue, and are allowed to go ref themselves.
Yeah I get it...you're mocking or making fun of Kev and I for bitc%ing about the refs. It'd be one thing if it were just Kev and I who realizes the clear bias in this series....it's another when there are other cities papers and sportswriters tweeting/writing about how evident it is.
I can handle a call or two here and there being missed or ignored....but when it's as uneven as this series has been you'd bit%h to.
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I'm mixed about the St Louis/Hawks series because I really don't want to see the Hawks move on. On the other hand, I want Hitchcock to become a candidate for the Senators Head Coach position.
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Reffing refs. They totally reffed the Flyers in the ref and gave this series to the reffing Capitals. I hope the Capitals and Penguins don't have this issue, and are allowed to go ref themselves.
Yeah I get it...you're mocking or making fun of Kev and I for bitc%ing about the refs. It'd be one thing if it were just Kev and I who realizes the clear bias in this series....it's another when there are other cities papers and sportswriters tweeting/writing about how evident it is.
I can handle a call or two here and there being missed or ignored....but when it's as uneven as this series has been you'd bit%h to.
Perhaps... but Shattenkirk didn't get his stick slashed out of his hands, it was a little stick lift by Panarin. If Shats can't hold on to his stick from that, it's on him, not the refs... Plus he got bowled over by Weise. That was just a damned good goal by the Blackhawks.
And while I was with you guys on some of the game 2 calls, you have been kinda homer-ish at pointing the finger at the refs.
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And while I was with you guys on some of the game 2 calls, you have been kinda homer-ish at pointing the finger at the refs.
that may be, but the fact of the matter is that Tarasenko got called for a penalty for the exact same play that happened to Shattenkirk. Difference is....Tarasenko's a Blue, Panarin is a Hawk. If I thought I could find it on Youtube I'd try to make a compilation of the slashes that Tarasenko has endured in this series that have not been called....there are plenty to choose from.
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Still confident they'll win in game 7?
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Still confident they'll win in game 7?
Absolutely. As I said earlier.....I didn't think the Blues would beat Chicago three time in Chicago and I don't believe that Chicago can beat the Blues three times in St. Louis.
Outside of the second period of last nights game Chicago really hasn't shown me anything to be scared of. The Blues have outplayed them the majority of the series, kept their best players in check and have looked like the better team the entire time. Game two was a shaft job that had the officiating not allowed the Hawks to stay in the game and ultimately win it...this series was over two games ago. Unfortunately for the Blues the second period last night got away from them...oh well.
I think the Blues will win by two tomorrow night...either 3-1, or 2-0.
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Reffing refs. They totally reffed the Flyers in the ref and gave this series to the reffing Capitals. I hope the Capitals and Penguins don't have this issue, and are allowed to go ref themselves.
Yeah I get it...you're mocking or making fun of Kev and I for bitc%ing about the refs. It'd be one thing if it were just Kev and I who realizes the clear bias in this series....it's another when there are other cities papers and sportswriters tweeting/writing about how evident it is.
I can handle a call or two here and there being missed or ignored....but when it's as uneven as this series has been you'd bit%h to.
To be clear, I'm simply mocking that the discussion on the series has been primarily about the officiating. I get it, it's frustrated, and it should be talked about, but there is so much more of the games to be discussed. And, in case you didn't already know, I am pulling big time for the Blues in this series.
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but there is so much more of the games to be discussed.
This is true. I think the level of play these two teams have had has a 'Final' type atmosphere....the games are intense.
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Sad to see that Panthers/Islanders series end. Every time I watched any of it, it was electric.
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Of course the Islanders win. Because why wouldn't they? This is shaping up to be a pretty crappy playoffs for me.
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Pens looked scary good finishing off the Rags. I'm excited for the series against the Caps, should be a good matchup!
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Yeah, Caps vs. Pens is gonna be so exciting. I can see Isles vs. Bolts being quite a competition too. East semi-finals is gonna be great.
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Can't wait for the rage posts in about 3.5 hours time.
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Of course the Islanders win. Because why wouldn't they? This is shaping up to be a pretty crappy playoffs for me.
Well, it was their first playoff series win in 23 years… it's cool to see someone different win for a change. That's one of the main reasons why I'm rooting for the Blues to knock the Blackhawks off tonight. I think they'll get it done :metal
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Hoping that the Blues hold on!
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Good 1st period.
2-1 good guys.
Now let's play a good 2nd period for once. :lol
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This is becoming eerily similar to game 6...
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Yep, this team seemingly has no clue how to come out ready to play in the 2nd period this series. It's inexplicable.
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No matter what, there is still one undeniable immutable truth:
Pierre McGuire is absolutely fucking worthless.
Man, I miss Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.
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It appears as if a Hawk will have to kill someone to get a penalty in this game.
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Agreed.
Although the Blues have gotten away with some as well...the refs have put the whistles away.
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No matter what, there is still one undeniable immutable truth:
Pierre McGuire is absolutely fucking worthless.
Man, I miss Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.
Why miss Bill Clement, he calls our games regularly. :D
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I meant the two together. I loved their telecasts.
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That's some serious scenery in the stands behind the Chicago bench!
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You guys did it! Congrats!
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THE KINGS/HAWKS REIGN OF TERROR IS OVER
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Eat a dick, NHL.
Woohoo!! :hat :coolio
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Can't wait for the rage posts in about 3.5 hours time.
I will put my sock in my mouth first, but as a Pens fan, and a huge fan of Pietrangelo, I'm glad St. Louis won , if only to see Chicago lose. Now I think St. Louis plays for the Cup.
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Yay! I'm so relieved for all Blues fans, but especially the two here. Congrats!
Now on to round 2
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Eat a dick, NHL.
Woohoo!! :hat :coolio
But I thought the NHL won't let the Blues beat the Hawks?
Congrats to them, we had a good season.
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Yay! I'm so relieved for all Blues fans, but especially the two here. Congrats!
Now on to round 2
Someone explain this "second round" everyone keeps talking about?
So relived right now...
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Yay! I'm so relieved for all Blues fans, but especially the two here. Congrats!
Thank ya, sir. :tup :tup
But I thought the NHL won't let the Blues beat the Hawks?
They sure tried their best, but the Blues were just too much for both the Hawks and the NHL. :biggrin:
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That's some serious scenery in the stands behind the Chicago bench!
Might you have been referring to this?
(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/FCB82BD0-709F-429C-8D24-80F888B3F60E.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/FCB82BD0-709F-429C-8D24-80F888B3F60E.jpg.html)
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Agreed.
Although the Blues have gotten away with some as well...the refs have put the whistles away.
This was the best officiated game of the series....they let them play so to speak but called the real obvious ones.
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Can't wait for the rage posts in about 3.5 hours time.
I had put some thought into how to top last years.....had a good idea but am happy that I will not need to do it.
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Any Dallas fans here?
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Agreed.
Although the Blues have gotten away with some as well...the refs have put the whistles away.
This was the best officiated game of the series....they let them play so to speak but called the real obvious ones.
Yeah there weren't too many situations where one team got called and the other didn't for the same thing. There were a few pretty flagrant non-calls, but they went both ways. It was good to see a game NOT be decided by a blown call, and get really toughed out by both teams.
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There were a few pretty flagrant non-calls, but they went both ways. It was good to see a game NOT be decided by a blown call, and get really toughed out by both teams.
That's what was so relieving....it went both ways.
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So fucking happy right now
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Congrats to all the Blues fans on the forum, caught the end of the game. I think I saw this is the first time in a decade that none of the original 6 teams made it to the second round.
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I had no lofty expectations for my team going in, so now I'm just enjoying some of the finest sports spectacles available for the next month and a half, with very little concern and much entertainment.
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Any Dallas fans here?
I will be for the rest of these playoffs now that the Hawks are gone, that's for sure.
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Any Dallas fans here?
I will be for the rest of these playoffs now that the Hawks are gone, that's for sure.
I mentioned earlier that I'm pretty much a stranger to hockey these days, but I lived in the Dallas area for quite a while and one of my best friends at the time was a HUGE Stars fan. Always had a Modano or Belfour jersey on.
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Any Dallas fans here?
I will be for the rest of these playoffs now that the Hawks are gone, that's for sure.
I mentioned earlier that I'm pretty much a stranger to hockey these days, but I lived in the Dallas area for quite a while and one of my best friends at the time was a HUGE Stars fan. Always had a Modano or Belfour jersey on.
They're definitely my favorite team left standing in the West this year, and I really want to see them beat down the Blues since they took out the Hawks.
I hated the Stars for most of the late 90's and early 00's due to their constant beat down of the Edmonton Oilers in the 1st round of the playoffs. Seemed like every year the hapless Oil would barely squeeze into the final playoff spot in the West, only to get throttled by Dallas in the first round. I had nightmares about Modano, Hatcher, and Zubov for many years lol.
My hatred waned in the 00's since the Oilers were terrible (and still are, BTW) and never had any true rivalries outside of Calgary and Vancouver, in later years.
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That's some serious scenery in the stands behind the Chicago bench!
Might you have been referring to this?
(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/FCB82BD0-709F-429C-8D24-80F888B3F60E.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/FCB82BD0-709F-429C-8D24-80F888B3F60E.jpg.html)
Yes. Yes I was.
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I really want to see them beat down the Blues since they took out the Hawks.
sorry.....not sorry :lol
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I really want to see them beat down the Blues since they took out the Hawks.
sorry.....not sorry :lol
Yeah....I'm not getting much sympathy from my friends either. I guess nobody like a dynasty anymore :P
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I really want to see them beat down the Blues since they took out the Hawks.
sorry.....not sorry :lol
Yeah....I'm not getting much sympathy from my friends either. I guess nobody like a dynasty anymore :P
If you could speak to anyone that knows me you'll learn that despite the intense rivalry and the fact that I'm suppose to 'hate' the Hawks, I've never really dogged them all that much because all they do is perform when they're supposed to. I like Dynasty's....would prefer to start a new one though :biggrin:
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Congrats Gary and Kevin! I'm actually rooting for the Blues. But I have no dislike for the Hawks either. The only team I would not want to see win the Cup is the Ducks.
It should be an open road now with the Hawks and the Kings out.
I do have a question though for either of you guys. I have only watched portions of the last two games, but WTF is up with Backes? Is he injured or something, because there seems to be long stretches where he's not even on the ice, and then when he is, he is still invisible. He has always been one of my favorite "non Bruins" players.
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I really want to see them beat down the Blues since they took out the Hawks.
sorry.....not sorry :lol
Yeah....I'm not getting much sympathy from my friends either. I guess nobody like a dynasty anymore :P
If you could speak to anyone that knows me you'll learn that despite the intense rivalry and the fact that I'm suppose to 'hate' the Hawks, I've never really dogged them all that much because all they do is perform when they're supposed to. I like Dynasty's....would prefer to start a new one though :biggrin:
I don't hate the Blues, per se, I just prefer the Hawks in the central. In fact, I don't think the blues would fall in my top 5 most hated franchises. Let's see:
1. Toronto- hope their plane crashes
2. Vancouver - hope their plane is the one that Toronto's plane crashes into
3. Carolina- for 2006 cup final
4. Calgary
5.Boston
T6. All of the sunbelt teams that have no business being in the NHL to begin with
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I do have a question though for either of you guys. I have only watched portions of the last two games, but WTF is up with Backes? Is he injured or something, because there seems to be long stretches where he's not even on the ice, and then when he is, he is still invisible. He has always been one of my favorite "non Bruins" players.
Honestly, I think his style of play has caught up to him and it's tough to maintain for him. He has his moments still but in large I think his best playing days are behind him which is one reason I highly doubt he's resigned after this season.
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It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.
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It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.
He's still a good leader and respected. But man, he's had several concussions and is one hit from never playing again. I guess they all are technically but more so for those guys who have had multiple concussions.
I like Backes...but honestly I'd be upset if they re-signed him because I think we have some good young players coming up and/or would rather them spend the $$ on a player with less miles and more upside.
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It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.
He's still a good leader and respected. But man, he's had several concussions and is one hit from never playing again. I guess they all are technically but more so for those guys who have had multiple concussions.
I like Backes...but honestly I'd be upset if they re-signed him because I think we have some good young players coming up and/or would rather them spend the $$ on a player with less miles and more upside.
And with the increases in NHL salaries these days, Backes will probably sign for $5+ mil to play 3rd or 4th line minutes. I don't think any contender will sign him unless he's willing to take a serious pay cut. He'll probably end up in Columbus or Phoenix (And yes, I'm aware they changed their name. However, they will always be the Phoenix Coyotes. They get to live with that mistake forever)
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Huh, I wasn't even aware of his concussion history.
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Congrats to all the Blues fans on the forum, caught the end of the game. I think I saw this is the first time in a decade that none of the original 6 teams made it to the second round.
This is the first time in history that no Orginal Six teams or Canadian teams made it to the final eight.
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Are all NY media this incompetent, or is it just Brooks?
Quote from Larry Brooks in NY Post:
"Specifically, it would be to determine what the club might be able to extract from Edmonton, a team likely to be excluded from consideration once the no-trade is in force. What would the defense-needy Oilers be willing to deal for McDonagh, the best defenseman at the best price they might ever be able to acquire?
This year’s first-rounder — which will be overall pick Nos. 1-5 as determined by this coming Saturday’s lottery drawing — would necessarily have to be part of the conversation. So would Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Hall."
No reasonable hockey mind would trade Hall straight up for McDonagh, let alone with another piece. Hell, I wouldn't even trade any of the top 3 picks in this year's draft for him either. NY needs Torterella back to keep ol' LB at bay.
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Thanks for the well wishes on the Blues hard-earned and long overdue first round win. :tup :tup
I am sure someone will quote Clint Eastwood and say deserve's got nothing to do with it, but this team deserved to have a little luck goes it way for once (the double post last night). This team has too much talent to lose in the first round again.
I guess nobody like a dynasty anymore :P
Nobody likes a dynasty except fans of that particular team and the media.
I do have a question though for either of you guys. I have only watched portions of the last two games, but WTF is up with Backes? Is he injured or something, because there seems to be long stretches where he's not even on the ice, and then when he is, he is still invisible. He has always been one of my favorite "non Bruins" players.
Honestly, I think his style of play has caught up to him and it's tough to maintain for him. He has his moments still but in large I think his best playing days are behind him which is one reason I highly doubt he's resigned after this season.
This. I like Backes, but when I see the Blues go through stretches where they look awful (like many of the 2nd periods against Chicago), I wondered where the on-ice leadership was. Granted, not every captain has to be a rah rah guy, and it is often better to lead by example, but I'd be fine with a new captain next year who has a bit more fire in his belly.
Anyway, we are still playing this year... :coolio :hat
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It will be interesting to see what he gets on the open market.
He's still a good leader and respected. But man, he's had several concussions and is one hit from never playing again. I guess they all are technically but more so for those guys who have had multiple concussions.
I like Backes...but honestly I'd be upset if they re-signed him because I think we have some good young players coming up and/or would rather them spend the $$ on a player with less miles and more upside.
And with the increases in NHL salaries these days, Backes will probably sign for $5+ mil to play 3rd or 4th line minutes. I don't think any contender will sign him unless he's willing to take a serious pay cut. He'll probably end up in Columbus or Phoenix (And yes, I'm aware they changed their name. However, they will always be the Phoenix Coyotes. They get to live with that mistake forever)
The only way Backes stays with the Blues is if they win the cup and he takes a 2-3 year deal at $2.5 mil per. But there's many stupid teams (read: Edmonton) who will offer him $5-6 mil for 5 years. If Backes wants to deal with the nonsense of Edmonton he will be paid handsomely. That being said, I could see him going to the NYR or BOS who have a track record of paying players at the end of their careers to keep their team afloat.
Speaking of the Rangers, they are in trouble. The Eric Staal trade was horrendous, Lundqvist is starting to degrade (although this could be because their defence is no good), and they are just getting old and slow in an increasingly faster league. With no prospects worth mentioning in the system, it could be a hard few years in the future.
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Wings fan here: Now that they're out, and the 'Hawks (much respect for them)....hoping for a Caps-Blues finals. Good for the league, a great matchup, and much needed for their long suffering fans.
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Wings fan here: Now that they're out, and the 'Hawks (much respect for them)....hoping for a Caps-Blues finals. Good for the league, a great matchup, and much needed for their long suffering fans.
Great for the hardcore/true fans of the league. Horrendous for the business of the league. NBC will shit bricks if this is the final. Hell, they're probably already shitting bricks. I know CBC is.
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Screw the NHL and NBC, but I don't see the issue with the East. Okay, TB isn't exactly a ratings booster, but the other three teams are a NY team and the teams with probably the two biggest stars (Crosby and Ovechkin) to casual fans, so I don't see Washington, Pittsburgh or the Islanders making the finals as some ratings killer. Not that I give two craps about ratings anyway. The NHL can choke on them for all I care.
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Screw the NHL and NBC, but I don't see the issue with the East. Okay, TB isn't exactly a ratings booster, but the other three teams are a NY team and the teams with probably the two biggest stars (Crosby and Ovechkin) to casual fans, so I don't see Washington, Pittsburgh or the Islanders making the finals as some ratings killer. Not that I give two craps about ratings anyway. The NHL can choke on them for all I care.
Way to root for the success of the "business". :tup ::)
You have a very pessimistic/derogatory view of the "business" of sports. Without the "business", there is no professional sports leagues, and in turn, no games. The two kinda go hand-in-hand, don't they? I can understand being frustrated with the politics of sports, but it's a necessary evil to get the entertainment of the games, no?
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You're probably right. I am just disgusted with the way the NHL is run these and all of the little things they do that suck ass. Of course I want to see the league do well and whatnot, but I think getting fans with great games is the way to go, not by getting better ratings just because you have the big market teams playing in the finals.
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The only way Backes stays with the Blues is if they win the cup and he takes a 2-3 year deal at $2.5 mil per. But there's many stupid teams (read: Edmonton)
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In defense of my home team, they purged all their terrible management last summer. This management team hasn't had the chance to make any stupid moves yet.
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You're probably right. I am just disgusted with the way the NHL is run these and all of the little things they do that suck ass. Of course I want to see the league do well and whatnot, but I think getting fans with great games is the way to go, not by getting better ratings just because you have the big market teams playing in the finals.
I don't disagree with this. I just think that financial success comes with a balance of both (great hockey + bigger market teams = ratings/revenue).
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You're probably right. I am just disgusted with the way the NHL is run these and all of the little things they do that suck ass. Of course I want to see the league do well and whatnot, but I think getting fans with great games is the way to go, not by getting better ratings just because you have the big market teams playing in the finals.
I don't disagree with this. I just think that financial success comes with a balance of both (great hockey + bigger market teams = ratings/revenue).
Yeah, I'm just not sure what Kev is so upset about.
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You're probably right. I am just disgusted with the way the NHL is run these and all of the little things they do that suck ass. Of course I want to see the league do well and whatnot, but I think getting fans with great games is the way to go, not by getting better ratings just because you have the big market teams playing in the finals.
I don't disagree with this. I just think that financial success comes with a balance of both (great hockey + bigger market teams = ratings/revenue).
Yeah, I'm just not sure what Kev is so upset about.
Well in his defense I've been picking fights as well....I mean, we don't have the refs to bitch about for another couple days so somethings got to take it's place :biggrin:
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You guys are playing with house money now! :lol
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What would be the best finals for business and NBC? [said with a neutral tone]
Not sure what would boost TV ratings more than .1%. And Bettman wants to expand again soon?!?
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Las Vegas is the perfect place to lock down, they have what Nascar? as far as PROFESSIONAL as fuqq leagues go. I think NHL's genius to be the first to tap that market.
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Since when does the second round start with one first round game left to play?!!? Isles/Lightning game one on now, Preds/Ducks gave seven later...seriously what the fuck?
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Since when does the second round start with one first round game left to play?!!? Isles/Lightning game one on now, Preds/Ducks gave seven later...seriously what the fuck?
Scheduling conflict at the arena.
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You guys are playing with house money now! :lol
I don't look at it that way. The Blues had the 3rd most points in the league this year, so they should be playing in the 2nd round. As much of a relief it is to finally see them win in the first round, it's not enough. I want to see 12 more wins. :metal
Yeah, I'm just not sure what Kev is so upset about.
I'm not upset; I just think the way the NHL runs its league sucks. Playoff hockey is awesome, despite it being the NHL.
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I really can't believe the Preds beat the Ducks, on the road in a Game 7. Out of the teams that are left in the West that's the team I'm most scared of to play. I know the Blues need to get past Dallas, and the Preds past San Jose....but Peca Rinne has owned the Blues for stretches of games and I really don't like the prospect of potentially having to play them to get to the cup.
Plus, my brother in law lives in Nashville and is a Preds fan and lets just say we aren't getting along these days....it'd suck for the Blues to be eliminated by them for that fact alone.
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I really can't believe the Preds beat the Ducks, on the road in a Game 7. Out of the teams that are left in the West that's the team I'm most scared of to play. I know the Blues need to get past Dallas, and the Preds past San Jose....but Peca Rinne has owned the Blues for stretches of games and I really don't like the prospect of potentially having to play them to get to the cup.
Plus, my brother in law lives in Nashville and is a Preds fan and lets just say we aren't getting along these days....it'd suck for the Blues to be eliminated by them for that fact alone.
It was a little surprising, but not shocking given the Ducks recent stretch of game 7 results. I think the west representative is coming out of the central for sure. As good as the Preds or Sharks might look, I think either of those teams gets rolled by the Blues or Stars in the conference finals.
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I'm thinking the Blues make the finals. TBH I'm not convinced the Stars will go far. In fact if they didn't face arguably the worst team to make the playoffs I could have seen them making a first round exit.
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My sister-in-law's husband is a bleeding red Caps fan, and they are coming over Saturday night so he can watch the Caps game (she made him disconnect the cable at their house). If the Caps do win it all, he is going to be absolutely insufferable for the entire next year. He is the epitome of the Broseph Brobison sports crew, highfiving at every good play and talking smack to every single male in a 20 foot radius...something I've simply never done. Saturday should be interesting.
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My sister-in-law's husband is a bleeding red Caps fan, and they are coming over Saturday night so he can watch the Caps game (she made him disconnect the cable at their house). If the Caps do win it all, he is going to be absolutely insufferable for the entire next year. He is the epitome of the Broseph Brobison sports crew, highfiving at every good play and talking smack to every single male in a 20 foot radius...something I've simply never done. Saturday should be interesting.
At the end of your first sentence, I thought his wife was being drastic and unreasonable. By the time I finished reading your post, I now feel it was probably completely warranted.
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Caps vs Pens starts tonight! Should be a great series. I'd say the winner of this series will probably represent the East in the SC Final.
Lets Go Pens!
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I'm not that worried about meeting the Predators in the conference final if both teams make it there. Pekka Rinne's best days are behind him and the Blues know him well enough to use his aggressiveness and erraticism against him. I think Dallas is the far bigger challenge.
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Ducks drown!!! :lol :metal That's the best news to hear as a Kings fan.
Let's go Sharks! Make the Predators the prey!
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Ducks drown!!! :lol :metal That's the best news to hear as a Kings fan.
Let's go Sharks! Make the Predators the prey!
It'll be tough, San Jose really struggles against Nashville's goaltending. Hoping they make it through though!
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And the Red Wings' new arena will be called.....
wait for it.....
Little Caesar's Arena: https://www.nhl.com/news/red-wings-new-building-named-little-caesars-arena/c-280502882
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It'll be tough, San Jose really struggles against Nashville's goaltending.
They aren't the only ones....Rinne can be a S.O.B like that....
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My sister-in-law's husband is a bleeding red Caps fan, and they are coming over Saturday night so he can watch the Caps game (she made him disconnect the cable at their house). If the Caps do win it all, he is going to be absolutely insufferable for the entire next year. He is the epitome of the Broseph Brobison sports crew, highfiving at every good play and talking smack to every single male in a 20 foot radius...something I've simply never done. Saturday should be interesting.
At the end of your first sentence, I thought his wife was being drastic and unreasonable. By the time I finished reading your post, I now feel it was probably completely warranted.
Yeah, kinda. A Caps game (regular season) was on a while back and he nearly took out our 3 year old cousin with his post-Ovechkin goal celebration.
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And the Red Wings' new arena will be called.....
wait for it.....
Little Caesar's Arena: https://www.nhl.com/news/red-wings-new-building-named-little-caesars-arena/c-280502882
Bahahahaha. I'm shocked that Little Caesar's can even afford naming rights on an arena. They must be much bigger in the US than they are in Canada. Jobing.Com arena was pretty bad too though
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Mike Illitch, the owner of the Red Wings, founded and owns Little Caesar's.
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But I will be sorely disappointed if they don't nickname the area 'The Oven.'
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Anyway, teams I'm cheering for.
San Jose
St. Louis
Washington
New York
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This Pens/Caps series is gonna be awesome.
I wasn't surprised at all that Nashville beat the Ducks last night. Bruce Boudreau is the best coach in the world at losing Game 7 at home.
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Penguins just scored two goals in the blink of an eye.
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And the Caps answer!
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And the Red Wings' new arena will be called.....
wait for it.....
Little Caesar's Arena: https://www.nhl.com/news/red-wings-new-building-named-little-caesars-arena/c-280502882
The arena will probably exclusively serve LC pizza. Have fun with that, fans! :lol
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Exciting game 1 for the Caps/Pens last night. Interesting ending in OT... Probably speaking through the lens of a Pens fan, but the ref who called a goal on the ice in OT was not in a position to be able to see the puck. No clue how he made that call. Replays show no evidence of the puck actually crossing the goal-line but because it was called a goal on the ice, it stands...
Eh, Pens made some big mistakes and that's what lost them the game, just a weird ending.
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Exciting game 1 for the Caps/Pens last night. Interesting ending in OT... Probably speaking through the lens of a Pens fan, but the ref who called a goal on the ice in OT was not in a position to be able to see the puck. No clue how he made that call. Replays show no evidence of the puck actually crossing the goal-line but because it was called a goal on the ice, it stands...
I thought that as well. There's literally no way he saw that cross the line. The puck was right at the post, shielded by the post, a pad and a stick. One of the replays 'appeared' to show that there was a bit of white separating the puck and the goal line which made it a goal....but I question if that had been called a 'no goal' would that have been enough evidence to rule it a goal? I think calling it a goal made it pretty tough to over rule because there was limited video evidence, which...gets back to the point of there's no way he saw that with a naked eye from the corner where he was positioned.
Given TJ Oshie's pension for vanishing in the playoffs I'm floored that he had a hat trick.
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Exciting game 1 for the Caps/Pens last night. Interesting ending in OT... Probably speaking through the lens of a Pens fan, but the ref who called a goal on the ice in OT was not in a position to be able to see the puck. No clue how he made that call. Replays show no evidence of the puck actually crossing the goal-line but because it was called a goal on the ice, it stands...
I thought that as well. There's literally no way he saw that cross the line. The puck was right at the post, shielded by the post, a pad and a stick. One of the replays 'appeared' to show that there was a bit of white separating the puck and the goal line which made it a goal....but I question if that had been called a 'no goal' would that have been enough evidence to rule it a goal? I think calling it a goal made it pretty tough to over rule because there was limited video evidence, which...gets back to the point of there's no way he saw that with a naked eye from the corner where he was positioned.
Exactly. I'm not trying to whine or anything but I guess I just found it to be a weird call at a super important moment. Regardless, like I said before the Pens made some specific mistakes earlier in the game that need addressed, I just hated to see such a great game ended by the garage league shenanigans of the NHL.
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I just hated to see such a great game ended by the garage league shenanigans of the NHL.
seems to be a common theme.
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I just hated to see such a great game ended by the garage league shenanigans of the NHL.
seems to be a common theme.
I don't see how the winning goal had anything to do with NHL shenanigans. Yes, it's hard to imagine how the ref could have had a clear line of sight to the puck, but that doesn't change the fact that the puck was over the line. Completely over the line. I don't even know why it took them nearly 5 minutes to review it.
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I just hated to see such a great game ended by the garage league shenanigans of the NHL.
seems to be a common theme.
I don't see how the winning goal had anything to do with NHL shenanigans. Yes, it's hard to imagine how the ref could have had a clear line of sight to the puck, but that doesn't change the fact that the puck was over the line. Completely over the line. I don't even know why it took them nearly 5 minutes to review it.
Well....IMO the ref had no business calling it a goal because there is literally no physical way he actually 'saw' that puck cross the line. He was in the corner of the rink and that puck was behind a post, a stick and a pad. He took a guess at it. Since he called it a goal there had to be irrefutable proof that the puck didn't cross the line. All angles but one were inconclusive and the one camera shot they did have was from a camera at center ice zoomed in.
There did appear to be a bit of white between the puck and the line...which made it look like a goal but had the ref not called it a goal would that have been enough evidence to reverse the call to a goal? I don't think it would have been...
the shenanigans are the ref making a call that he's guessing at instead of being 100% positive.
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Well....IMO the ref had no business calling it a goal because there is literally no physical way he actually 'saw' that puck cross the line. He was in the corner of the rink and that puck was behind a post, a stick and a pad. He took a guess at it. Since he called it a goal there had to be irrefutable proof that the puck didn't cross the line. All angles but one were inconclusive and the one camera shot they did have was from a camera at center ice zoomed in.
There did appear to be a bit of white between the puck and the line...which made it look like a goal but had the ref not called it a goal would that have been enough evidence to reverse the call to a goal? I don't think it would have been...
the shenanigans are the ref making a call that he's guessing at instead of being 100% positive.
BINGO. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Bye bye Boudreau: https://www.nhl.com/news/ducks-relieve-bruce-boudreau-of-coaching-duties/c-280512338
Wonder where the Pillsbury Dough Boy will wind up next.
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Ah, the price of a knee in the NHL:
https://www.nhl.com/news/tom-wilson-of-capitals-fined-for-kneeing/c-280512456
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I just hated to see such a great game ended by the garage league shenanigans of the NHL.
seems to be a common theme.
I don't see how the winning goal had anything to do with NHL shenanigans. Yes, it's hard to imagine how the ref could have had a clear line of sight to the puck, but that doesn't change the fact that the puck was over the line. Completely over the line. I don't even know why it took them nearly 5 minutes to review it.
Well....IMO the ref had no business calling it a goal because there is literally no physical way he actually 'saw' that puck cross the line. He was in the corner of the rink and that puck was behind a post, a stick and a pad. He took a guess at it. Since he called it a goal there had to be irrefutable proof that the puck didn't cross the line. All angles but one were inconclusive and the one camera shot they did have was from a camera at center ice zoomed in.
There did appear to be a bit of white between the puck and the line...which made it look like a goal but had the ref not called it a goal would that have been enough evidence to reverse the call to a goal? I don't think it would have been...
the shenanigans are the ref making a call that he's guessing at instead of being 100% positive.
Fair enough. I agree that there's no way O'Rourke saw the puck go in. He likely saw it disappear, but that's about it. After watching the replay another dozen times, I still think it gets overturned if he calls no goal on the ice. The close up shot clearly shows the sliver of ice between the puck and the goal line. Still kinda shitty to have an OT game end on review either way you look at it.
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Ah, the price of a knee in the NHL:
https://www.nhl.com/news/tom-wilson-of-capitals-fined-for-kneeing/c-280512456
Fines in the NHL are the biggest joke ever. $2K for a play that could end another player's career? That's ridiculous. These guys are millionaires!! Even at league minimum they'd lose more in wages on a 1 game suspension than the max fine.The NHL needs fines like the NFL. $50k or $100K may cause a player to think twice about their actions.
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I really can't believe the Preds beat the Ducks, on the road in a Game 7. Out of the teams that are left in the West that's the team I'm most scared of to play. I know the Blues need to get past Dallas, and the Preds past San Jose....but Peca Rinne has owned the Blues for stretches of games and I really don't like the prospect of potentially having to play them to get to the cup.
Plus, my brother in law lives in Nashville and is a Preds fan and lets just say we aren't getting along these days....it'd suck for the Blues to be eliminated by them for that fact alone.
It was a little surprising, but not shocking given the Ducks recent stretch of game 7 results. I think the west representative is coming out of the central for sure. As good as the Preds or Sharks might look, I think either of those teams gets rolled by the Blues or Stars in the conference finals.
San Jose matches up against St. Louis pretty well I think; while the post season is a whole different game compared to regular season, the Sharks did just fine against the Blues this season overall.
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San Jose matches up against St. Louis pretty well I think; while the post season is a whole different game compared to regular season, the Sharks did just fine against the Blues this season overall.
"If" that is the next series then it's going to be a flat out battle! Both teams are big, and like you said....they match up well, so it's going to be a hard fought series that I'd suspect goes to Game 7.
First things first....we have to beat Dallas and PLEASE San Jose beat Nashville....if anything so I don't have to hear it from my D-Bag brother in law.
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I would LOVE to see a San Jose/St. Louis series; when I got back into hockey and was looking for a team, it was between the Sharks, Blues, and Wild :tup
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Anyone else hear Roenick refer to the Pens/Caps game as a "shitty hockey game" on live TV last night? :lol
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
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Rough night tonight. All inclusive seats at the Catds/Nats game....with the Blues on TV right in front of us.
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Trying to figure outwit the Blues are playing down to Dallas speed and game? They don't look like the same team right now.
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Enjoy the 'W' Dallas, because if that's your best game you're in trouble.
By far the worst game the Blues have played in two months.
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I didn't see much of the game, since I was busy moving, and it sounds like that was probably a good thing.
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
Oh, yes. I was cracking up when she called him out for that. Milbury is one of the biggest assholes in sports broadcasting.
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I didn't see much of the game, since I was busy moving, and it sounds like that was probably a good thing.
Compared to the Chicago series games this game was in slow motion. They looked like a completely different team than the one who just battled the Stanley Cup champs and won. Not hitting, sloppy passes, lazy forechecking and back checking. It was ugly. If not for Brian Elliot standing on his head it's a 4 or 5 to 1 game. This is one of those games where it wasn't so much the Stars win the game but it was the Blues lost it...err....gave it away.
They eventually found a rhythm in the third period but it was too late.
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
Oh, yes. I was cracking up when she called him out for that. Milbury is one of the biggest assholes in sports broadcasting.
Add in douchenozzle Pierre McGuire and you complete NBC's travesty of hockey analysts. I fucking hate them. Never thought I'd look forward to listening to Joe Michelleti or Brian Boucher give analysis.
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A winning goalie stopped more pucks! And in other news, water is wet, so be careful.
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
Oh, yes. I was cracking up when she called him out for that. Milbury is one of the biggest assholes in sports broadcasting.
Add in douchenozzle Pierre McGuire and you complete NBC's travesty of hockey analysts. I fucking hate them. Never thought I'd look forward to listening to Joe Michelleti or Brian Boucher give analysis.
McGuire isn't that bad. He's a doofus but he actually knows what he's talking about bigtime. You gotta at least respect his knowledge. He's not like guys like Milbury and Healy.
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Anyone else hear Roenick refer to the Pens/Caps game as a "shitty hockey game" on live TV last night? :lol
Lol that's what I thought he said at first, then realized the word he used was "shinny".
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
Oh, yes. I was cracking up when she called him out for that. Milbury is one of the biggest assholes in sports broadcasting.
Add in douchenozzle Pierre McGuire and you complete NBC's travesty of hockey analysts. I fucking hate them. Never thought I'd look forward to listening to Joe Michelleti or Brian Boucher give analysis.
McGuire isn't that bad. He's a doofus but he actually knows what he's talking about bigtime. You gotta at least respect his knowledge. He's not like guys like Milbury and Healy.
He might have knowledge but I can't stand him. He rambles, he asks inane questions of the coaches and players, and if you search YouTube enough you can find all sorts of idiocy in his on-air interviews. His destruction of the World Juniors telecast when Tavares scored in the final seconds was pathetic. He might have hockey knowledge but he doesn't belong on air.
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Anyone else hear Roenick refer to the Pens/Caps game as a "shitty hockey game" on live TV last night? :lol
Lol that's what I thought he said at first, then realized the word he used was "shinny".
My mistake. :lol
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:woot:
Leafs got the #1 pick.
Rebuilding continues. It's been a long time since we had #1 - '85 I believe... we had the year before, and the year after Lemieux :lolpalm:.
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So what do the Leafs do with that pick? Do they trade down with a team that needs Matthews and get a little something extra along with Patrick Laine or just take Laine at #1?
I know Matthews is the consensus first but from what I've heard the Leafs need a Winger to compliment their young centers more than anything.
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I don't listen to the intermission reports anymore. Milbury, Roenick, and Jones are a bunch of asshats. I LOVED when Milbury got called out live the other week when he offered the analysis that a goalie was doing better because he stopped more pucks.
Oh, yes. I was cracking up when she called him out for that. Milbury is one of the biggest assholes in sports broadcasting.
Add in douchenozzle Pierre McGuire and you complete NBC's travesty of hockey analysts. I fucking hate them. Never thought I'd look forward to listening to Joe Michelleti or Brian Boucher give analysis.
McGuire isn't that bad. He's a doofus but he actually knows what he's talking about bigtime. You gotta at least respect his knowledge. He's not like guys like Milbury and Healy.
He might have knowledge but I can't stand him. He rambles, he asks inane questions of the coaches and players, and if you search YouTube enough you can find all sorts of idiocy in his on-air interviews. His destruction of the World Juniors telecast when Tavares scored in the final seconds was pathetic. He might have hockey knowledge but he doesn't belong on air.
I don't know lots of Pierre hate just seems to be jumping on a bandwagon (and bringing up the World Juniors like everyone else doesn't convince me otherwise :P ). He does stupid stuff, but he doesn't do half the stupid stuff Milbury or Healy do IMO and he frankly doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside them. He just feels like a hockey nerd who is working his dream job. You could definitely say he doesn't belong on the air and I wouldn't argue much, but I just couldn't put him in the same realm as those 2 who are both stupid and just frequently negative/caustic people on air. At worst Pierre is just awkward. At Milbury's worst he's toxic, and at Healy's worst you get the quotes on the bottom of this site. (https://isglennhealyfiredyet.com) :lol
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Pretty much agree with the above. McGuire is creepy as shit sometimes, and I can never think of him without remembering this gem (https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=107)
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Pretty much agree with the above. McGuire is creepy as shit sometimes, and I can never think of him without remembering this gem
(https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=107)
:lol Was he standing close enough to him....geez, personal space bro. Back off my long stick.
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:woot:
Leafs got the #1 pick.
Seriously, was this ever in doubt? No way they weren't not getting the #1. The league was not going to let that happen.
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:woot:
Leafs got the #1 pick.
Seriously, was this ever in doubt? No way they weren't not getting the #1. The league was not going to let that happen.
Well, we came damned close last year (had the best odds going into the final phase of the lottery), but Edmonton got it, and McDavid.
As for whether we need Matthews, it's a good question. We do have some quality young centers, so that gives Shanny/Lou lots of options to wheel and deal. Bozak/Kadri are our top 2 today - and they shouldn't be Top 2 anywhere. Imagine a roster with Nylander and Matthews as 1-2 in a few years. That could end up being as good as any tandem in the league.
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Kadri's locked up and he should be a 2c, not the 1c he was forced to be this season. Asked this question on Reddit and Leafs fans are tearing me a new asshole. Leafs really don't have much depth after JVR and he seems on the way out. Y'all got Kapenen though and that's always rad.
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Hoping for a better game from the Blues today. :tup :tup
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Hoping for a better game from the Blues today. :tup :tup
Well, they can't possibly play any worse than they did Friday night. I expect them to win this game today if they play their game.
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Hell of start to this game.
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Big win for Pittsburgh last night. Loving the way they are playing right now, and as the old adage goes, you aren't in trouble until you lose a game at home, so they've got a bit of an advantage so far.
Also, I love Orpik, but that was a pretty bad hit. It was super late and only made contact with the head. I don't think he has a track record, so I'd say a 1-2 game suspension would be plenty, but I hope Maata is okay, that man has had horrible luck in his young career.
Kris Letang is a beast.
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Horse sh%t call off the face off. If there was ever a dive that'd have been it.
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>:(
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Whew. That'd have been a tough loss to take.
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Big OT win for St. Louis. Going home for the next two games tied 1-1 is completely different than going home down 2-0.
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Big OT win for St. Louis. Going home for the next two games tied 1-1 is completely different than going home down 2-0.
Yep. I was worried even when we were up 3-1 because we'd missed several golden chances to make it 4 or 5 to 1. That always comes back to bite you .... they came out strong in OT though and got it done.
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I'll take a win after that performance today. Very lucky to win. And I feel like we've seen the best of Dallas already, while the Blues' best has yet to come.
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I'll take a win after that performance today. Very lucky to win. And I feel like we've seen the best of Dallas already, while the Blues' best has yet to come.
Agreed. Although like I mentioned to you via text....despite allowing Dallas to score (2) in the third I still think StL played a better game and definitely deserved the 'W'. I don't think we 'stole' that game at all....we just won it.
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True. The 3rd period was pretty ugly, but like you said, the resolve in OT was nice to see. Both Dallas penalties in OT were blatant ones that had to be called, and the second led to the winner. :tup :tup
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Pretty much agree with the above. McGuire is creepy as shit sometimes, and I can never think of him without remembering this gem
(https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=107)
I can give you that. That was just too weird. :lol Almost forgot about it.
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Pretty much agree with the above. McGuire is creepy as shit sometimes, and I can never think of him without remembering this gem
(https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=107)
I can give you that. That was just too weird. :lol Almost forgot about it.
I wish I could!!! Though, I'm sure Dutch still has nightmares about it.
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Big win for Pittsburgh last night. Loving the way they are playing right now, and as the old adage goes, you aren't in trouble until you lose a game at home, so they've got a bit of an advantage so far.
Also, I love Orpik, but that was a pretty bad hit. It was super late and only made contact with the head. I don't think he has a track record, so I'd say a 1-2 game suspension would be plenty, but I hope Maata is okay, that man has had horrible luck in his young career.
Kris Letang is a beast.
I'll echo all that. If you would have told me going into this series the Pens would steal one from the Caps at home and would be coming back to Pittsburgh with the series tied, I would have been happy with that.
More importantly, in both games I felt the Pens played well. The Caps are definitely a really good team, but I'd say the Pens overall have carried the majority of the play.
Oh and also, this will help the Pens:
https://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/15442589/washington-capitals-d-brooks-orpik-suspended-3-games-hit-pittsburgh-penguins-d-olli-maatta
Orpik out for 3 games for that dangerous hit on Maatta. Good decision by the NHL.
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My brotastic macabroni and cheese brother in law was over for this game and it was a trip. He put his 3-month-old daughter into her yet unwashed Capitals onesie because she was "2-0" while wearing it, then woke her at least 3 times during the game with outbursts. I heard about the disallowed goal and penalty for about 15 minutes afterwards, and the idea that the refs were bought was thrown around. And his ire was raised at the notion that Orpik would be suspended.
I really don't want to watch another hockey game with him. He took the fun out of it.
And yes, now he can wash the onesie.
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My brotastic macabroni and cheese brother in law was over for this game and it was a trip. He put his 3-month-old daughter into her yet unwashed Capitals onesie because she was "2-0" while wearing it, then woke her at least 3 times during the game with outbursts. I heard about the disallowed goal and penalty for about 15 minutes afterwards, and the idea that the refs were bought was thrown around. And his ire was raised at the notion that Orpik would be suspended.
I really don't want to watch another hockey game with him. He took the fun out of it.
And yes, now he can wash the onesie.
Haha well that's all pretty ridiculous.
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Yes, yes it is. He was sitting to my right and his wife to my left when the Penguins scored their first goal, so he then demanded he and his wife switch positions. Enough time passed and the Caps tied it, so he maintained that they had to keep the new positions for the rest of the game. When the Pens took the lead again, he just threw his hands in the air, cursed loudly several times and then said she could sit anywhere she wanted.
He also had to "knock on wood" every time a damning or jinxing stat was mentioned.
Even when I supremely die-hard, I never did anything remotely like that.
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Oh man, I'd actually like to watch a game with him (especially if the Caps were losing) :lol
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I suppose it it would actually have been more entertaining had he not kept waking his daughter and I hadn't been as tired as I was.
When he watches the Ravens, every time something good happens he has to stand up and high five everyone near him who is willing, sometimes those who aren't willing. It's an experience. He is the main reason I am pulling against the Caps; I can't handle the thought of him for a year if they do, in fact, win the Cup.
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I come from an extremely superstitious family and have been guilty of being like that myself, but I would never put my child's health at risk by not washing their clothes due to superstition. That's completely ridiculous and irresponsible. I'm pulling for the Caps in this series because the Penguins (who are already my least favorite team) eliminated my Rangers, but if they get eliminated, I won't mind that either so that you don't have to deal with your brother-in-law anymore.
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Haha, thanks for the sentiment. In all honestly I am completely detached from most of the outcomes and am just enjoying the hockey.
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Haha, thanks for the sentiment. In all honestly I am completely detached from most of the outcomes and am just enjoying the hockey.
Ditto... I'm just a fan of good hockey. I'm personally rooting for the Blues (for Gary's benefit), but otherwise, I have no horses in this race.
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Ditto... I'm just a fan of good hockey. I'm personally rooting for the Blues (for Gary's benefit)
:hug:
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Respect to Orpik for his words on his suspension. Less respect for Barry Trotz.
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Respect to Orpik for his words on his suspension. Less respect for Barry Trotz.
Yeah seriously, Brooks handled it perfectly. Barry, not so much... :facepalm:
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Why are we respecting Orpik? Because he owned it? WTF??
What's he going to say? He buried a guy high and late, and got caught.
His selfishness has really hurt his team.
And I'm not sure what Trotz is smoking.
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Why are we respecting Orpik? Because he owned it? WTF??
What's he going to say? He buried a guy high and late, and got caught.
His selfishness has really hurt his team.
And I'm not sure what Trotz is smoking.
Honestly, it was a dirty hit against my favorite team. But he owned up to it, which is more than a lot of players would do. I don't respect the hit, but I do respect him owning up to it.
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Why are we respecting Orpik? Because he owned it? WTF??
What's he going to say? He buried a guy high and late, and got caught.
His selfishness has really hurt his team.
And I'm not sure what Trotz is smoking.
Can someone post a link to Trotz's comments? Or is it just his "Matta was leaning over" comments?
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https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/barry-trotz-hints-nhl-favored-penguins-on-orpik-suspension-173424765.html
“I’m disappointed in the length more than anything else. That injury to [Dmitry] Orlov in the previous season [could have been] career-ending,” said Trotz, of the hit by Pierre-Edouard Bellemare that earned the Flyers player one game. “I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised based on who we’re playing and all that. So we’ll just move forward.”
When asked to clarify those comments, Trotz said: “Take it for whatever you want.”
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https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/barry-trotz-hints-nhl-favored-penguins-on-orpik-suspension-173424765.html
“I’m disappointed in the length more than anything else. That injury to [Dmitry] Orlov in the previous season [could have been] career-ending,” said Trotz, of the hit by Pierre-Edouard Bellemare that earned the Flyers player one game. “I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised based on who we’re playing and all that. So we’ll just move forward.”
When asked to clarify those comments, Trotz said: “Take it for whatever you want.”
:rollin
Silly Barry. And to think I thought it was Washington STATE that legalized it, not Washington DC.
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Hey my sister in law was complaining that the disallowed goal shouldn't have resulted in a goalie interference penalty because losing the goal was punishment enough. By disallowing the goal AND giving Pittsburgh the PP, they were penalizing Washington twice, she said, and therefore playing favorites. There was no way I could explain that sequence of events that would give her any inkling of proper rules interpretation, so I let it go. She enables her husband sometimes.
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^ No, that totally makes sense. It's like if you're drunk and run a red light, then t-bone someone. It should be penalty enough that you've got to repair your car and have your insurance rates go up, let alone your own personal hospital bills. You don't deserve to be charged with DUI, vehicular manslaughter or anything like that.
Seems legit, right?
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I suppose it it would actually have been more entertaining had he not kept waking his daughter and I hadn't been as tired as I was.
When he watches the Ravens, every time something good happens he has to stand up and high five everyone near him who is willing, sometimes those who aren't willing. It's an experience. He is the main reason I am pulling against the Caps; I can't handle the thought of him for a year if they do, in fact, win the Cup.
Well, (sadly) at least he didn't stand up too much last year ;)
The Caps disallowed goal: was it a penalty? I semi-understood the goal being disallowed, but it sure looked to me that he had a lot of help in falling. Was the penalty reviewable?
Next two games in all of the series should be killer.
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I don't know if it was reviewable, the penalty was goalie interference. The premise was, delayed call for interference, therefore the moment the Caps touched up next (i.e., the shot) the play would be dead. No goal, puck in the net or not, result being a minor penalty for goaltender interference. The way it played out visually, to her, was that they waved off the goal and then decided to penalize the dude who fell. Even on review, I think they would have deemed he wasn't pushed into the goaltender and he didn't really make an effort to avoid contact either. His presence on Murray's back did have a direct impact on his ability to make the save, too. All criteria for a minor penalty.
Her logic was flawed and clouded because she was rooting for the Caps. She also feels that a minor penalty for too many men is too harsh; there should be a 1 minute penalty for that, citing the fact that illegal formation in football is only 5 yards, not 10.
Basically, a bunch of butthurt griping because the Caps came out on the short end this time.
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In my opinion, and the opinion of the TV announcers, Kuznetsov wasn't pushed into Murray, and fell on top of him. Regardless of if it was intentional or not, that's a penalty by the book, so like you said, the play was dead as the Washington player who put it in the net touched it.
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Yup. But you can't successfully argue that point to a somewhat bandwagon diehard sometime hockey fan.
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What's with these game times? Tomorrow's game in Nashville starts at 9ET and DAL/STL starts at 9:30ET? Seems kinda late. I was hoping the NSH game would start at 7ET so I can watch some of it at work.
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Calder trophy race is stacked this year. I wouldn't have a problem with any of the 3 winning it.
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Calder trophy race is stacked this year. I wouldn't have a problem with any of the 3 winning it.
I would have a big problem with McDavid winning it. Don't get me wrong, he is the best rookie, but the award is for rookie of the year, not rookie of half a season. If McDavid had played 65ish games he would have been a runaway winner without argument, but Panarin, Gostisbehere, and other guys like Larkin, Parayko, Eichel, are much more deserving because they produced over a full season.
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It would be different, but he was the best by a decent margin, so I wouldn't argue with it. Also, saying Larkin produced over a full season is being very generous considering he disappeared for the last half. :P
Anyways, woooow Letang is dirty af this playoffs. And a hilarious dive right after his penalty. :lol
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I don't think Letang's hit was nearly as bad as Orpik's. If you watch the replay, his feet didn't leave the ice until after me made contact. If you've played hockey, or watch lots of replays of hits, skates will leave the ice after big contact because of the force of the hit. That being said, he did hit Johanssen's head pretty good before making contact with the shoulder. If the Orpik incident didn't happen, or Trotz's comments, I'd say he wouldn't get a suspension, but now he'll likely get a game, maybe 2.
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I don't think Letang's hit was nearly as bad as Orpik's. If you watch the replay, his feet didn't leave the ice until after me made contact. If you've played hockey, or watch lots of replays of hits, skates will leave the ice after big contact because of the force of the hit. That being said, he did hit Johanssen's head pretty good before making contact with the shoulder. If the Orpik incident didn't happen, or Trotz's comments, I'd say he wouldn't get a suspension, but now he'll likely get a game, maybe 2.
Yeah it definitely isn't nearly as bad as Orpik's hit, which was straight brutal. One game would make sense.
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It seems like the Caps face an unbeatable goalie every series they play. Matt Murray you may be a Thunder Bay boy but I hate you rn.
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Hyperplex, Jarlaxle.....thanks for the helpful explanation on the Caps non goal.
Now, someone explain to me that second goal for the Pens tonight. It never hurts to have some luck on your side. And good goaltending.
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Calder race is quite important to me, and while my pick is obvious, I truly believe in him.
Bit of history, Flyers have never had a Calder winner (or Art Ross for that matter), and have only have had 3 nominees. The last was in 1994 (Renberg). We've always been a win win win team, and have never really put ourselves in a position to have too many great young players for calder consideration.
Ghost came into the Flyers lineup and had an immediate impact. His first 15 or so goals all either tied a game or put the Flyers ahead a goal. He was an overtime wizard. He set pretty much every Flyers rookie defense record, and many league records. And here is the icing on the cake, he did if after seeing last season cut short by a very serious injury. He missed basically all of last season, got himself into game shape, got called up early and looked like he never missed a beat. And my favorite part about him is that for all his flair and offensive upside, he showed a GREAT defensive game, especially for a rookie. There were 2-3 games all season where there were some obvious rookie flops, but this kid gets back quick and makes a big difference.
All that said, as others have mentioned, it's a stacked year, and there isn't really a bad choice.
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If it was judged by who was the most valuable to his team, Ghost would win the award without question.
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If it was judged by who was the most valuable to his team, Ghost would win the award without question.
No doubt, and it'll hopefully be a big factor either way. Even when he was a PPG, McDavid and the Oilers didn't really do anything. And the bread man in Chicago who was older, and had more professional experience, AND was on a line with the Art Ross winner most of the year on a perennial powerhouse did really well. Not saying he wasn't great, but he had a LOT going in his favor.
I should just prepare for the worst and hire Gary to make my rage post when Ghost loses.
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I think it's unfair to point at Panarin being on a line with Kane as an unfair advantage. The two simply have great chemistry, and Kane has a lot to thank Panarin for for his monster season. And I think him being 23 isn't a big deal, as it's very uncommon for someone that age to win it anyways. The NHL should recognize the KHL as a professional league though.
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I should just prepare for the worst and hire Gary to make my rage post when Ghost loses.
I'll start a rough draft :lol
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Hyperplex, Jarlaxle.....thanks for the helpful explanation on the Caps non goal.
Now, someone explain to me that second goal for the Pens tonight. It never hurts to have some luck on your side. And good goaltending.
What don't you understand? The puck was redirected off his shoulder. He did not make a distinct batting motion, which means the player-puck contact was inadvertent, therefore a good goal.
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Big win at home by the Pens last night. Feels good to have a 2-1 series lead and be playing on home ice again on Wednesday.
Couple areas of concern:
1. Letang - probably will get suspended for a game after that hit. This hurts the Pens bad, Tanger logs a ton of minutes, has been playing solid D and is great moving the puck up ice and joining the rush.
2. Rust - hopefully its nothing serious, but leaving the game like 19 seconds in and not coming back does not look good. He is a 4th liner, but part of the Pens strength has been the ability to roll 4 consistent lines.
3. Caps picked up momentum at the end of that game, hopefully that doesn't carry over.
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Flames just fired Bob Hartley. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets the Ottawa or Boston job this summer.
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Hyperplex, Jarlaxle.....thanks for the helpful explanation on the Caps non goal.
Now, someone explain to me that second goal for the Pens tonight. It never hurts to have some luck on your side. And good goaltending.
What don't you understand? The puck was redirected off his shoulder. He did not make a distinct batting motion, which means the player-puck contact was inadvertent, therefore a good goal.
I guess that didn't come off as intended. I meant it as a 'can you believe how lucky that goal was?' type of comment....not questioning whether it was good or not. Certainly a fluke goal....but that's hockey.
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Hyperplex, Jarlaxle.....thanks for the helpful explanation on the Caps non goal.
Now, someone explain to me that second goal for the Pens tonight. It never hurts to have some luck on your side. And good goaltending.
What don't you understand? The puck was redirected off his shoulder. He did not make a distinct batting motion, which means the player-puck contact was inadvertent, therefore a good goal.
I guess that didn't come off as intended. I meant it as a 'can you believe how lucky that goal was?' type of comment....not questioning whether it was good or not. Certainly a fluke goal....but that's hockey.
It was definitely puck luck, but it still was created from a good quality rush and Tom drove to the net exactly how he should have. So yes, lucky goal, but the boys on the ice were still doing the right things in order to generate chances at that point.
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Flames just fired Bob Hartley. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets the Ottawa or Boston job this summer.
I don't think he's gonna get hired in Ottawa. I think Yeo or Boudreau will get it. I'm really hoping Boudreau will get it. He is proven and he has what it takes to get us back on track. Sadly, I think some other team will get him because Melnyk is a penny pincher. And there isn't an opening in Boston, although from what I've read, most fans think there should be.
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Flames just fired Bob Hartley. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets the Ottawa or Boston job this summer.
I don't think he's gonna get hired in Ottawa. I think Yeo or Boudreau will get it. I'm really hoping Boudreau will get it. He is proven and he has what it takes to get us back on track. Sadly, I think some other team will get him because Melnyk is a penny pincher. And there isn't an opening in Boston, although from what I've read, most fans think there should be.
Ooops. Jumping the gun on the Boston vacancy. Julien is done for sure though. I don't see how he keeps his job another season. There's been too much chatter over the last 2 or 3 seasons for there not to be a fire beyond this smoke.
I agree that Boudreau is probably unlikely since he'll command a pretty high salary. He may also just take his time since Anaheim is still on the hook for the upcoming season. As a Sens fan, would you be happy with Mike Yeo behind the bench?
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Letang suspended one game.
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I thought they said they are sticking with him another season?
I wouldn't mind Yeo, but I live in Minnesota, so it would be weird for me to be talking about him here :lol But he seems okay. I would prefer someone like Boudreau or Crawford. But as long as we have someone who is experienced, I will be happy.
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I'm kinda surprised Crawford hasn't come back to the NHL yet, although I'm sure come teams would be reluctant to hire him given his reputation. Then again, Torts still keeps finding himself work in the NHL so who knows.
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Letang suspended one game.
Not all that surprising, but I would've preferred he got 2 games. Then again, look at the team he plays for so.... ;)
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Letang suspended one game.
Not all that surprising, but I would've preferred he got 2 games. Then again, look at the team he plays for so.... ;)
:lol I thought one game was fair, using Brooks recent suspension as a measuring stick. The Brooks hit was later and more direct to the head.
The weird thing about the situation is this; the Letang hit was literally clocked at 0.63 seconds after the puck left. I believe the rule is a late hit being more than 0.6 seconds. So the NHL is literally going off of 0.03 seconds... In the explanation from the NHL they specifically state that the reason for his suspension is the late hit, not because of head contact. So basically the league just created a standard that hits within 0.03 seconds of the allowable time-frame to hit a player are worth of suspension.
If they actually called hits this way consistently, there will probably be like 10 players suspended from this series before it ends (obviously the league won't do this) and Ovie should have been suspended as well due to the multiple late hits he threw in that game. Don't get me wrong, as a Pens fan, I thought Letang should get suspended for a game for that hit, but because of head contact, not because of it being a late hit, that's a crazy precedent to set.
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One game is completely fair.
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Letang suspended one game.
Not all that surprising, but I would've preferred he got 2 games. Then again, look at the team he plays for so.... ;)
:lol I thought one game was fair, using Brooks recent suspension as a measuring stick. The Brooks hit was later and more direct to the head.
The weird thing about the situation is this; the Letang hit was literally clocked at 0.63 seconds after the puck left. I believe the rule is a late hit being more than 0.6 seconds. So the NHL is literally going off of 0.03 seconds... In the explanation from the NHL they specifically state that the reason for his suspension is the late hit, not because of head contact. So basically the league just created a standard that hits within 0.03 seconds of the allowable time-frame to hit a player are worth of suspension.
If they actually called hits this way consistently, there will probably be like 10 players suspended from this series before it ends (obviously the league won't do this) and Ovie should have been suspended as well due to the multiple late hits he threw in that game. Don't get me wrong, as a Pens fan, I thought Letang should get suspended for a game for that hit, but because of head contact, not because of it being a late hit, that's a crazy precedent to set.
That's kinda crazy. A late hit shouldn't ever be the reason for a suspension. They already have another penalty for late hits...it's called interference. It's the head shot that deserves the suspension, regardless of timing. What's also sad is that I'm pretty sure Letang has missed time for concussions, and yet he had no problem delivering a head shot to another player.
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One game is completely fair.
I thought so.
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NBC can suck it. I'm stuck watching TB and NY? WTF? Can't tell me they can't regionalize this feed and let me watch the Blues. This sucks.
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Same here. The NHL and NBC both suck monkey balls. :censored :censored
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If you get NHL Network, the Blues/Stars are on.
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If you get NHL Network, the Blues/Stars are on.
I don't. Thankfully the OT didn't last long. Still don't see why they couldn't have changed feeds regionally.
I know for dang sure if that was Chicago playing it'd have switched. :biggrin:
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Great OT win by Tampa Bay! Kucherov and Boyle are definitely stepping up!
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This Blues game is fun. :coolio
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This Blues game is fun. :coolio
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The NHL Network thing had me fucking livid. That was absolute horseshit. It's a good example why this league remains a 2nd tier league, when fans of both teams playing are not even able to watch the freaking game.
Thank God the lame east coast game ended early though. Can't imagine what would've happened had it gone to 2-3OT. Great game by the Blues.
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It's a bit confuzzling to me how ESPN is covering the World Cup of Hockey, when damn near every other hockey ANYTHING is NBC or NHL Network. What sense does that make?
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One of the perks of living in Canada: all 3 games were televised on Sportsnet or CBC. We take our hockey coverage very seriously up here lol
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One of the perks of living in Canada: all 3 games were televised on Sportsnet or CBC. We take our hockey coverage very seriously up here lol
Yeah... the Rogers and CBC have done a good job "sharing" the coverage all year. I just can't stand the American announce crews when we have to pick up the NBC feed. :facepalm:
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Yeah... the Rogers and CBC have done a good job "sharing" the coverage all year. I just can't stand the American announce crews when we have to pick up the NBC feed. :facepalm:
Funny you mentioned that, I was having a conversation with a friend the other day about how bad nationally televised NHL game announcing crew are as far as appealing to a wider fan base here in the US. Basically commenting on how no one in the US cares about a 3rd or 4th liners junior team or what little Canadian town he grew up in...
I figured you guys north of the border enjoyed that sort stuff, sounds like just about nobody likes some of those announcers. :lol
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I love Doc Emrick, but he's about the only thing I enjoy about the NHL's TV coverage in the US.
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Randy Hahn for the Sharks is great, and unlike seemingly every other US commentary guy he can keep his talk neutral when it comes to national games.
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I love Doc Emrick, but he's about the only thing I enjoy about the NHL's TV coverage in the US.
That's the only American announcer I enjoy. Some I can tolerate, but whoever was doing the Stars/Blues made me want to run my ears through a cheese greater.
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I like Dave Strader, loved Gary Thorne, and can deal with Emrick. Just about everyone else is horrible.
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I love Doc Emrick, but he's about the only thing I enjoy about the NHL's TV coverage in the US.
That's the only American announcer I enjoy. Some I can tolerate, but whoever was doing the Stars/Blues made me want to run my ears through a cheese greater.
I think it's the Hurricanes' guy.
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The announcer that really bothers me is the guy who does Bruins games. Not sure if it's a radio or TV guy, but he's always doing the calls when I see highlights on SportsCentre. His voice is the worst. I'd rather hear Fran Drescher call games than that fellow.
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Found it....Jack Edwards. Hate the guy's voice. Like his opinions about Chris Stewart though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRzysH3Ny0
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Pens are blessed to have one of the greats still doing the radio broadcasts, Mike Lange.
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This is probably super unpopular coming from a diehard Hab fan, but I actually like Jack Edwards. Yeah he's a homer but he's got more personality than just about any other commentator. He's said stuff in the past I haven't been a fan of but most of the time I just find him hilarious.
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Pens are blessed to have one of the greats still doing the radio broadcasts, Mike Lange.
Mike Lange is just too cool. :lol Wish he still did TV. I also love the Dallas commentators. They have such an odd sense of humour sometimes that they can be a joy to listen to.
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Dave Strader of the Wings is good, not really a fan of Mickey Redmond (yeah, I'm a Wings fan and I dislike a guy who favors the Wings) but I have always wanted unbiased sportscasters. Tom Mees was an awesome play-by-play man for ESPN before he passed.
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Thank God the lame east coast game ended early though. Can't imagine what would've happened had it gone to 2-3OT.
I beg to differ.
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That game was amazing! All games should be so lame.
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Pens are blessed to have one of the greats still doing the radio broadcasts, Mike Lange.
Mike Lange is the man. He's been doing it forever, has a great voice, and while some of the expressions he uses when a goal is scored are over-the-top silly, they don't sound silly when they're coming from Mike Lange.
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You guys should see the butthurt on social media over the dude from Twitter whose first hockey game was the STL/CHI game seven. He lost his shit and made a bunch of tweets, so the team hooked him up with sweet seats for last night's game, etc. I saw on Facebook a shitton of people were totally butthurt and pissed off simply because the team seemed to "not care" about "lifelong fans" but instead decide to shell out for some random dude who just discovered the game. It was rather pathetic.
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You guys should see the butthurt on social media over the dude from Twitter whose first hockey game was the STL/CHI game seven. He lost his shit and made a bunch of tweets, so the team hooked him up with sweet seats for last night's game, etc. I saw on Facebook a shitton of people were totally butthurt and pissed off simply because the team seemed to "not care" about "lifelong fans" but instead decide to shell out for some random dude who just discovered the game. It was rather pathetic.
God forbid they try to make someone's day and spread the game to someone new. Chances are, that guy will be a fan for life now. How awful.
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You guys should see the butthurt on social media over the dude from Twitter whose first hockey game was the STL/CHI game seven. He lost his shit and made a bunch of tweets, so the team hooked him up with sweet seats for last night's game, etc. I saw on Facebook a shitton of people were totally butthurt and pissed off simply because the team seemed to "not care" about "lifelong fans" but instead decide to shell out for some random dude who just discovered the game. It was rather pathetic.
What are you talking about? I live in St. Louis and hear about this guy almost daily and haven't heard or read a single thing that you're talking about.
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I didn't mean St. Louis proper....when the story was posted on social media, butthurt fans crawled out of the woodwork bitching and moaning about it. I'm sure the vast majority think it's awesome. I think it is too. But there were quite a few trolls hating on it.
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>reading social media comments
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It was mildly entertaining watching the trolls get all pissed off that they weren't given free shit by their favorite hockey team. Bunch of em pulled the race card. Pathetic. I can't seem to find the Facebook thread now. Read it this morning.
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I didn't mean St. Louis proper....when the story was posted on social media, butthurt fans crawled out of the woodwork bitching and moaning about it. I'm sure the vast majority think it's awesome. I think it is too. But there were quite a few trolls hating on it.
Yeah, I've seen some of those comments too.
I thought it was a great story, and was happy the team responded like they did. And hey, with that performance they should be getting him to every home game until they lose!
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Watching tonight, the Caps just look like the better team, but they are now an OT goal against away from being down 3 games to 1.
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Watching tonight, the Caps just look like the better team, but they are now an OT goal against away from being down 3 games to 1.
There's your OT game winner for the Pens
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Watching tonight, the Caps just look like the better team, but they are now an OT goal against away from being down 3 games to 1.
There's your OT game winner for the Pens
Yeah... that's a shame.
Quite happy with that result. For some reason, I've got a bit of a hate on for the Caps. Maybe because I can't stand looking at Trotz... he reminds me of someone that I can't fucking stand.
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I thought it was a great story, and was happy the team responded like they did. And hey, with that performance they should be getting him to every home game until they lose!
Me too. I thought it was cool that Luongo was talking to him too. I thought it was a cool story all around
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Now the bad feelings that Pittsburgh is gonna win it all are starting to come up. The Caps need to steal this series because I don't think I can deal with the Pens in another round.
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Now the bad feelings that Pittsburgh is gonna win it all are starting to come up. The Caps need to steal this series because I don't think I can deal with the Pens in another round.
Well the road looks good for them if they can close out the Caps.
Watching tonight, the Caps just look like the better team, but they are now an OT goal against away from being down 3 games to 1.
Honestly this has been a weird series in this regard. Last night they showed a stat for the number of minutes the series has been tied (a lot), the number of minutes the Pens have been leading (also a big number) and then the number of minutes the Caps have been leading (smaller number I think only like 30 some minutes of the series so far). But, even as a Pens fan, I'll admit my boys have not been playing their best throughout this series and I feel like the Caps have been carrying a lot of the play...But they are down 3-1 and have only held the lead in games for a short amount of time.
Couple things that I think have been causing this, (1) Murry has been really good in goal, (2) a lot of their (Caps) possessions result in perimeter shots where the goalie has a clear line of sight to the puck, and (3) I think they are trying to overemphasize their size and are being overly physical. I've seen many instances throughout this series where the Caps seem more worried about hitting someone than tracking the puck. They are a bigger team than the Pens, who are built on skill and speed, but the Caps are also highly skilled and it seems they have gotten away from that to a degree.
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Now the bad feelings that Pittsburgh is gonna win it all
Ehh....I still think ANY of the remaining teams from the West can beat ANY of the remaining teams in the East in a Seven Game series. They may have a clear path to playing for the Cup...but I can't see an Eastern Conference Team beating any of these Western conference teams.
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Now the bad feelings that Pittsburgh is gonna win it all
Ehh....I still think ANY of the remaining teams from the West can beat ANY of the remaining teams in the East in a Seven Game series. They may have a clear path to playing for the Cup...but I can't see an Eastern Conference Team beating any of these Western conference teams.
I think Pitt is the only East team that might have a chance. I still can't see NYI as a legit contender, and TB is just too beat up to be successful on their 2nd attempt. Wash... well, they've got a hard enough chore just to get out of this round.
I'm really looking forward to a SJ/StL western final! Though, I'm not sure my sleep patterns are looking forward to it!
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I think the Pens could certainly beat any of the remaining Western Conference teams in the finals.
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I think the Pens could certainly beat any of the remaining Western Conference teams in the finals.
I agree. Would be silly to discount them after what we've seen.
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If there is one thing I've learned in my years of watching hockey, it's that you can never discount any team until they are officially eliminated. You can analyze and expect anything, but if a goalie gets hot, or someone gets hurt, or just in the time of getting through the playoffs a team matures in a way you didn't expect, fortunes can turn around. I think anyone who makes it to the Final has a legitimate shot to win it all. Everyone thought Detroit would steamroll NJ in '95, but they got steamrolled themselves. Everyone thought Philly would steamroll Detroit in '97, and THEY got steamrolled. It all comes down to the games as they are played, and that's what makes it so fucking exciting and awesome.
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If there is one thing I've learned in my years of watching hockey, it's that you can never discount any team until they are officially eliminated. You can analyze and expect anything, but if a goalie gets hot, or someone gets hurt, or just in the time of getting through the playoffs a team matures in a way you didn't expect, fortunes can turn around. I think anyone who makes it to the Final has a legitimate shot to win it all. Everyone thought Detroit would steamroll NJ in '95, but they got steamrolled themselves. Everyone thought Philly would steamroll Detroit in '97, and THEY got steamrolled. It all comes down to the games as they are played, and that's what makes it so fucking exciting and awesome.
I couldn't agree more with you! I'm just saying, current course and speed, the East looks collectively weaker than the West. But you're absolutely right - hell Edmonton making it to game 7 final against Carolina back in '06 was entirely unexpected as well. Ditto with Calgary/TB in '04. Hot goalies can make all the difference.
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Now the bad feelings that Pittsburgh is gonna win it all
Ehh....I still think ANY of the remaining teams from the West can beat ANY of the remaining teams in the East in a Seven Game series. They may have a clear path to playing for the Cup...but I can't see an Eastern Conference Team beating any of these Western conference teams.
Agreed. The last team to win from the east was Boston...who played like a western conference team. And they beat a Vancouver team (thankfully!) that played like an eastern conference team. I don't care who represents the east, cause the cup final is over in 5 games. Maybe 6 if Nashville somehow wins the west.
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I'm surprised at the overwhelming favoritism to the western conference winning the cup when we don't even know who will be playing in the finals yet. :lol
Seriously though, just because of the time zone difference, I haven't watched a ton of western conference games this year, anyone care to enlighten me on why they think the western conference team (whoever that will be) will win it all?
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If there is one thing I've learned in my years of watching hockey, it's that you can never discount any team until they are officially eliminated. You can analyze and expect anything, but if a goalie gets hot, or someone gets hurt, or just in the time of getting through the playoffs a team matures in a way you didn't expect, fortunes can turn around. I think anyone who makes it to the Final has a legitimate shot to win it all. Everyone thought Detroit would steamroll NJ in '95, but they got steamrolled themselves. Everyone thought Philly would steamroll Detroit in '97, and THEY got steamrolled. It all comes down to the games as they are played, and that's what makes it so fucking exciting and awesome.
I couldn't agree more with you! I'm just saying, current course and speed, the East looks collectively weaker than the West. But you're absolutely right - hell Edmonton making it to game 7 final against Carolina back in '06 was entirely unexpected as well. Ditto with Calgary/TB in '04. Hot goalies can make all the difference.
I'm not saying that an Eastern Conference team CAN'T win it. Certainly a hot goalie or a team that is just on fire can win it all. But, judging from the Hockey I've seen being played....right now IMO the hockey that is being played in the West by all teams seems to be "better" than the East's style. The 'heavy' physical games with tight D and hounding forechecking is more prevalent with the West teams. Not that the East teams can't or won't do that but the West teams basically play playoff style hockey all year.
Pitt looks good and certainly could beat any of the teams left if they are playing well. But, the same can be said about all the remaining teams....and with all things being equal I'm still taking Western Conference over The East as Stanley cup champs. Hopefully it's the BLUUUUUEEESSSS!!!!!
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I'm not saying that an Eastern Conference team CAN'T win it. Certainly a hot goalie or a team that is just on fire can win it all. But, judging from the Hockey I've seen being played....right now IMO the hockey that is being played in the West by all teams seems to be "better" than the East's style. The 'heavy' physical games with tight D and hounding forechecking is more prevalent with the West teams. Not that the East teams can't or won't do that but the West teams basically play playoff style hockey all year.
Pitt looks good and certainly could beat any of the teams left if they are playing well. But, the same can be said about all the remaining teams....and with all things being equal I'm still taking Western Conference over The East as Stanley cup champs. Hopefully it's the BLUUUUUEEESSSS!!!!!
Team's have been trying to beat the Pens by playing "heavy" or "physical" against them since they started to heat up when the coaching change was made earlier this season. The result is the Pens winning like 20 of their last 24 or something close to that, spanning the regular season (a mix of west and east teams) and into the playoffs. Part of the reason I think the Caps are losing to the Pens right now is because they are trying to play "heavy" or "physical" and it isn't working.
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^^^maybe it's because those teams are 'trying' to play like that. That's just how the Blues and Sharks play. I would like my chances against Pitt due to the fact that the Blues are used to playing heavy and hard against everyone.
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Yeah I dunno, maybe you are right. I guess it comes down to me not always buying into this philosophy that physically teams always win in the playoffs. I think skilled teams can beat physically teams in the playoffs, the skilled teams just have to weather the storm of physicality, just like the Pens are currently doing...
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Some of the most stifling, stingy defenses that have won the Cup in recent years relied on positional play over physicality. The trap and left wing lock were so effective because you didn't need to bash and bruise to shut down the play.
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The only way to combat skilled teams like Pitt is to beat them up. If you can then you'll probably win. But if they can elude your game plan those dudes will light it up. It's a track meet vs a rugby game. I prefer the physicality of battling for every square inch and don't think a handful of Pitts players can handle that type of game. Who knows.
All I know is the Blues are only up 2-1 on Dallas and it'd behoove them to win tonight and keep their foot on the gas. I don't think Dallas has another level and think we've seen their best, and handled it. I think this series is the Blues to lose....not Dallas' to win.
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Great game last night. If the Penguins can hold on (I'm still nervous) then Murray has to be the Conn Smythe favourite going forward.
As much as I've never liked Ovechkin since he came into the league, the last few years I've come to respect him greatly. Aside from the second and third periods of game 3, he's looked lost out there. If he played every shift like game 3 he's a beast and near unstoppable. But it's not just Ovi, the entire team looks like passengers in this series. Where's Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, Williams, Oshie (since game 1)? Holtby's looked like a minor leaguer at times, and I know since Christmas his numbers were down a bit after his miraculous start to the season, but he's still better than this.
As for the Pens. Great game by Daley, Domoulin, even Schultz, who I was enraged when they traded for him. Malkin is playing great, even though I think it's obvious he's still battling injury, Cullen is playing like he's 23 again, the third and fourth lines as a whole have been the two best lines this series. And even though Crosby hasn't been producing, since game 1 where he was invisible, I thought he's played pretty good given how much attention he his getting at all times. I love seeing him smash his stick there after the slash from Ovi, it shows how passionate he is, and you could tell that in that instant he truly thought his playoffs were done. I thought he broke his hand or wrist myself, but thankfully it sounds like the devil of all stingers. If this sparks him to playing like he did against the NYR then Washington has no chance to come back.
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The only way to combat skilled teams like Pitt is to beat them up. If you can then you'll probably win. But if they can elude your game plan those dudes will light it up. It's a track meet vs a rugby game. I prefer the physicality of battling for every square inch and don't think a handful of Pitts players can handle that type of game. Who knows.
All I know is the Blues are only up 2-1 on Dallas and it'd behoove them to win tonight and keep their foot on the gas. I don't think Dallas has another level and think we've seen their best, and handled it. I think this series is the Blues to lose....not Dallas' to win.
I think the Pens are very misunderstood in this regard. Crosby, for his all world talent, really plays like a third liner...always grinding down low, hard board play, tough battles. He's made a living off of it. And Malkin can be phsyical if he's provoked. He plays a higher skilled game than Crosby, but doesn't shy away from physicality. Then guys like Kunitz, Hornqvist add to that, and the guys that don't muck it up are FAST. I don't want to say who would win, but western teams will have their hands full with the Pens if they make it, especially if they are taken for granted as the Caps seem to have done.
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And even though Crosby hasn't been producing, since game 1 where he was invisible, I thought he's played pretty good given how much attention he his getting at all times. I love seeing him smash his stick there after the slash from Ovi, it shows how passionate he is, and you could tell that in that instant he truly thought his playoffs were done. I thought he broke his hand or wrist myself, but thankfully it sounds like the devil of all stingers. If this sparks him to playing like he did against the NYR then Washington has no chance to come back.
I loved that sequence last night, it's everything you want to see from your captain in that scenario. He shows the passionate and emotion, but does it off the ice, not on the ice where it could damage his team's chances.
The only way to combat skilled teams like Pitt is to beat them up. If you can then you'll probably win. But if they can elude your game plan those dudes will light it up. It's a track meet vs a rugby game. I prefer the physicality of battling for every square inch and don't think a handful of Pitts players can handle that type of game. Who knows.
I think that's just fundamentally where you and I differ. You prefer the physicality of battle, I personally enjoy the excitement of high-octane skill. Neither approach is right or wrong just different. As for what approach different teams should take, it depends solely on your team's personnel. The Pens made several very intentional trades throughout this season to basically bring in as much skill and speed as possible; essentially going all in on those aspects of the game.
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I have every confidence the Western teams can give Pittsburgh a good series, but unless the Capitals make a comeback, the Penguins will be in the finals. I'd certainly prefer to see the Islanders or Lightning in, but nothing either team has shown me gives me any hope they beat the Caps or Pens.
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Have mentioned I hate that the playoffs don't reseed in the second round anymore? Matchups would be totally different.
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:rollin @ Tarasenko scoring on a huge breakaway while there are 6 Stars on the ice.
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:rollin @ Tarasenko scoring on a huge breakaway while there are 6 Stars on the ice.
Yeah, that's pretty insane. Oddly enough had the delayed penalty been called, as it should have, the Blues may have circled back and waited for the goalie to vacate, keeping that goal from happening.
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:rollin @ Tarasenko scoring on a huge breakaway while there are 6 Stars on the ice.
That was straight out of Patrick Kane's playbook. :lol hang back and count on your D to make a quick stop and feed you the puck. I hate that.....but I'll take it ;)
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That turned quickly...
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That turned quickly...
One bad play. That won't be the final score though.
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Of course not, but it's still a big momentum shift.
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Of course not, but it's still a big momentum shift.
For a brief moment. Blues have more consistent pressure shift after shift and Dallas is relying on one shift here and there.
Bummer that turnover gave them a goal and disrupted the Blues flow for a few minutes.
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This will undoubtedly come back to bite me, but I am surprisingly not worried. I have no doubt that the Blues are better than the Stars, so if we lose tonight, that just means it will take longer to win the series. Crazy for a Blues fan to think that way, much less say/type it :lol, but there it is. :biggrin:
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This will undoubtedly come back to bite me, but I am surprisingly not worried. I have no doubt that the Blues are better than the Stars, so if we lose tonight, that just means it will take longer to win the series. Crazy for a Blues fan to think that way, much less say/type it :lol, but there it is. :biggrin:
Ehh...it's possible they lose this game tonight. Again, they missed some chances to make the game 2 or 3 to 0. But, I'm with you. And here's why. I don't think Dallas has another level...we've seen what they got. And we've seen that when the Blues are firing on all cylinders Dallas can't hang.
But....it takes 4 wins, right now we only have 2. I'm curious to watch the third period because for all intents and purposes the Blues could end the series by winning this period and this game.
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Dallas may have the best offense, but they also have one of the worst goaltending tandems in the NHL. Honestly if you asked me before the playoffs to rank all the playoff teams by how much I thought they'd win the cup only Philly and Minnesota would place below them. You could expect them to win games but I just don't think they'd last through a whole playoff.
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Ugh. OT. Where ANYTHING can happen.
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Mother :censored Two F'n minutes cost them the game.
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Blues have no one to blame but themselves. They should have been up 3 or 4-0 in the 1st, and they let Dallas up off the mat. And now it's a series again. Damn.
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Blues have no one to blame but themselves. They should have been up 3 or 4-0 in the 1st, and they let Dallas up off the mat. And now it's a series again. Damn.
Yep. Inexcusable. So pi$$ed right now.
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Eh, I half expected it when Dallas scored. The Blues play was so lethargic from the start of the 2nd period till the end, that most of my energy was sucked out, so I was not expecting them to win the game anymore. This team is so good when they are clicking, but complacency is still an issue with them. They got outplayed and outworked most of tonight, and that is not good.
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It's like they expected Dallas to roll over for them? Ehh....anyway, this series now have 7 games written all over it....
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Wasted a great night by the Stastny line, too. The STL line is easy to love, but Lehtera has been largely disappointing in these playoffs. Imagine how much more productive that line could be if he could ever win an offensive zone face-off.
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I can't believe how quickly I went from not having a worry in the world about beating a Dallas team we've been handling just fine to there's a good chance we now lose this series. Such a wasted opportunity to put a stranglehold on the series tonight. I can feel my rage cells multiplying.
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Hard to fall asleep with blood that is still boiling from that massive let down.
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SJS/NSH in 3rd OT! Super Foop! :corn
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Fuck the NHL, how do you not give Pavelski that goal. Total hack job with the Redding tonight. Without Rinne Nashville would be a fucking dumpster pit. So fucking salty right now that was absolute, complete horse shit. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
At least I have to get up in less than 5 hours for work!!!!
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:o >:( :censored >:( :censored ::)
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I only made it through about half of the second OT, but I thought goalie interference was the correct call on the Pavelski play in the first OT. Yeah, he was kind of pushed from behind, but he was driving so hard to the net that he would have crashed into Rinne with or without assistance from the push, and you don't want to see a playoff game end in OT on something like that.
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I don't know. I'd be livid if that was a Blues player and they disallowed it. That looked like a good playoff goal to me.
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I think one of the things they look for in a situation like that was did he make an obvious concerted effort to avoid making contact with the goaltender. I didn't see the play in question, but I know that is usually one of the deciding factors.
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Now that I've watched it a couple times I'd be just as ticked if that had been the Blues goalie who was run in to and the goal allowed.
Tough for both sets of fans.
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If they'd have allowed that Pavelski goal I would recommend all players to pick up the puck, crash the goalie NHL 94 style, then throw the puck toward the net for light tap in for easy goal every time.
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He didn't fucking run Rinne, Gaustad crosse checked him and as Pavelski tried braking, Weber made knee contact and sent him tumbling. Pavelski also hit it in with his stick. Was a legal goal, but I guess it's okay to just push people into your goalie, sounds about right for the ShitHL. Like is Pavelski supposed to grow wings and fly away from Rinne? He made an effort to stop after taking a cross heck and got further pushed into Rinne. I'd be mad if it happened to Jones... Oh wait it did and the Kings got a goal because that was what should have happened
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My exact thoughts after the Sharks lost:
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Blues have no one to blame but themselves. They should have been up 3 or 4-0 in the 1st, and they let Dallas up off the mat. And now it's a series again. Damn.
Yep. Inexcusable. So pi$$ed right now.
Your worst nightmare will be if the Predators win and the Blues lose.
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Fuck the NHL, how do you not give Pavelski that goal.
Seriously? I've seen a penalty called for far less. You should be happy he got away with just a no goal. He got a *slight* push from behind, but used it as an excuse to not even try to stop, which was careless and dumb on his part. I'm not saying a penalty should have been called, but the no goal is absolutely correct.
It was a great game, sadly I fell asleep somewhere in the latter half of 2OT.
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Your worst nightmare will be if the Predators win and the Blues lose.
You ain't lyin' This would be horrible....it sucks I have to root against the Preds (a good team that I like to watch play) because of my D-Bag brother in law. This scenario would utterly suck, plain and simple.
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St. Louis Blues, THIS is your year. Don't blow it!!!!!
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Oh, I completely forgot, but meant to post this for Gary and Kev earlier.
If you go to NBCSports.com and stream the games you can watch any game, even if on TV it's currently being preemtped by another game. I know it's not ideal, but it keeps you from getting completely screwed like happened earlier. And I'm shocked that I've watched 70% or so of the playoffs this way (because it frees up the TV), simply because it's actually a really good quality stream. Not going to be the big screen HD experience, but I don't feel like I'm missing much.
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Oh, I completely forgot, but meant to post this for Gary and Kev earlier.
If you go to NBCSports.com and stream the games you can watch any game, even if on TV it's currently being preemtped by another game. I know it's not ideal, but it keeps you from getting completely screwed like happened earlier. And I'm shocked that I've watched 70% or so of the playoffs this way (because it frees up the TV), simply because it's actually a really good quality stream. Not going to be the big screen HD experience, but I don't feel like I'm missing much.
Thank you Sir! :tup
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St. Louis Blues, THIS is your year. Don't blow it!!!!!
It's still bugging me that this series is tied 2-2. Losing that game last night really ticked me off. One bone head play that gift wraps a goal changed that entire series. At that point in the game StL was rolling 4 lines with waves of pressure and Dallas had no answer. It infuriates me that they hadn't made the score 2 or 3, 4 to zip by that point because it was very possible. Cudos to whichever goalie they had in there at the time for coming up big for his team.
StL best win that game tomorrow in Dallas because winning a game 7 in Dallas (assuming we'd win game 6) will be a tough feat. I think tomorrows victor is the series victor.
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Speaking of tomorrows game...it's ridiculous to have a noon (central time) game for Dallas and StL all because they gave their precious Caps and Pens an extra day off to get the Saturday night marquee matchup. Now Dallas and StL get shafted into playing at noon because of that and so they can show some horses run in a circle for three minutes.
I despise NBC
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Honestly, I wouldn't count out any team in the West no matter if they were down a game or two at this point. This only teams I might have doubted going in were Minnesota and Nashville, but they put any doubts to rest when they dispensed of Anaheim.
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Speaking of tomorrows game...it's ridiculous to have a noon (central time) game for Dallas and StL all because they gave their precious Caps and Pens an extra day off to get the Saturday night marquee matchup. Now Dallas and StL get shafted into playing at noon because of that and so they can show some horses run in a circle for three minutes.
I despise NBC
BUT THERE IS A HORSE NAMED NYQUIST
Frankly, I agree with the league giving higher billing to Pens/Caps, but do wish that your game had a later start and ran concurrent with the horses, especially because you could watch the actual race during a fucking commercial in the hockey game.
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Speaking of tomorrows game...it's ridiculous to have a noon (central time) game for Dallas and StL all because they gave their precious Caps and Pens an extra day off to get the Saturday night marquee matchup. Now Dallas and StL get shafted into playing at noon because of that and so they can show some horses run in a circle for three minutes.
I despise NBC
BUT THERE IS A HORSE NAMED NYQUIST
Frankly, I agree with the league giving higher billing to Pens/Caps, but do wish that your game had a later start and ran concurrent with the horses, especially because you could watch the actual race during a fucking commercial in the hockey game.
I understand the marquee matchup....two huge markets. I'd take another 8:30pm game over a NOON game any day. That's just silly to me. Especially because of a freaking horse race.
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Just be happy you have a playoff team to watch ya spoiled brat! ;D
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Just be happy you have a playoff team to watch ya spoiled brat! ;D
:lhk:
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Just be happy you have a playoff team to watch ya spoiled brat! ;D
Haha, no kidding. My team hasn't seen playoff hockey in a decade! And there's no light in sight for at least a few more years, assuming Edmonton's new management doesn't sewer the team any more than the previous regime did.
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Just be happy you have a playoff team to watch ya spoiled brat! ;D
Haha, no kidding. My team hasn't seen playoff hockey in a decade! And there's no light in sight for at least a few more years, assuming Edmonton's new management doesn't sewer the team any more than the previous regime did.
Are you out in Edmonton, bro?
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Just be happy you have a playoff team to watch ya spoiled brat! ;D
Haha, no kidding. My team hasn't seen playoff hockey in a decade! And there's no light in sight for at least a few more years, assuming Edmonton's new management doesn't sewer the team any more than the previous regime did.
Are you out in Edmonton, bro?
Born and raised
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You guys tortured us in! Peter fucking Klima!! I remember that OT game like it was yesterday. The Bruins never recovered.
I was at the Finals game in '88 when the lights went out at the Garden.
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You guys tortured us in! Peter fucking Klima!! I remember that OT game like it was yesterday. The Bruins never recovered.
I was at the Finals game in '88 when the lights went out at the Garden.
Nice! And I'd be upset too if Peter Klima scored against my team in OT. He had no business being on the ice in OT to begin with haha.
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Seriously Nick?
https://streamable.com/bklv
When did a cross check in the back become a light push? Where did Shea Weber's knee magically disappear to for you? Clear, cut, and dry, but keep being a moron, it's second nature to you I guess.
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To me it doesn't matter how it happens exactly, you shouldn't be able to plow into the goalie and still get credit for a goal.
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If you plow somebody into your own goalie, that's your own damn fault and you should have to deal with what comes of it. It's right in the rulebooks, but those refs fucked up bad.
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Seriously Nick?
https://streamable.com/bklv
When did a cross check in the back become a light push? Where did Shea Weber's knee magically disappear to for you? Clear, cut, and dry, but keep being a moron, it's second nature to you I guess.
The knee from Webber might have contributed to Pevelski going down, but that push from Gaustad had nothing to do with the play. Pevelski is clearly still balanced on his skates after the cross-check in the video you posted.
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He was trying to brake after the cross check, I don't know if that video has the angle, but Pavs puts his skates horizontal, and that's when he gets tripped by Weber.
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He might have been trying to brake, but it was too late, and he was going to crash into Rinne regardless of whether he got hit from behind or not. He might not have crashed into him as hard, but contact still would have made in the crease, and such contact is an easy goalie interference call.
Having said that, I am pretty sure that that would have been declared a goal for certain teams in this league...Penguins, Blackhawks.
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The push before the trip was nowhere near a blatant crosscheck and it still appears Pavelski would have run through Rinne even if Weber hadn't been there. Besides, there was no concerted effort from Pavelski to avoid the goaltender. He was crashing the net and ran into Rinne. The goal shouldn't count.
Similar situation in Washington for game 2 vs Pitt, but there they called the penalty as well as waved off the goal. There was a question there, too, of whether the contact was incidental/caused by a push. End result was the same: attacking player impeded the goaltender and made little concerned effort to avoid contact.
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Seriously Nick?
https://streamable.com/bklv
When did a cross check in the back become a light push? Where did Shea Weber's knee magically disappear to for you? Clear, cut, and dry, but keep being a moron, it's second nature to you I guess.
Can you not discuss these things without always resorting to attacks? I swear I've banned you in a previous thread for almost identical things. See you in a week.
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Bolts Victorious! Came back from behind again. One more game to finish off the Islanders!!
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Bolts Victorious! Came back from behind again. One more game to finish off the Islanders!!
I watched the last game again, and I will just say, if the Bolts and Pens win, I will certainly be cheering for the Bolts, but it doesn't look good. Whoever wins Pens/Caps will almost certainly be going to the finals.
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Great job Blues! Dallas gave you their best game and you beat them. Now END THIS on Monday night!
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Great job Blues! Dallas gave you their best game and you beat them. Now END THIS on Monday night!
:tup :tup
The Blues best is better than the Stars best, plain and simple.
They just need to do a better at handling prosperity now. They have answered every time this postseason when faced with adversity, but now they lay the hammer down and finish this Monday. Scottrade is gonna be looooouuuuddd. :metal :metal
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The Blues best is better than the Stars best, plain and simple.
Yep. But they need to end it Monday night and get this over with. I don't like the idea of having to beat ANY team in game 7 in their house. I know it can be done but I'd rather just avoid it if possible.
Oh and, I found the announcers insufferable today. They couldn't stroke the Stars enough....it was very annoying.
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Lehtonen almost giving the puck to the Blues for a goal while heading off for the extra attacker was great. :lol
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Bolts Victorious! Came back from behind again. One more game to finish off the Islanders!!
I watched the last game again, and I will just say, if the Bolts and Pens win, I will certainly be cheering for the Bolts, but it doesn't look good. Whoever wins Pens/Caps will almost certainly be going to the finals.
As a Lightning fan, I absolutely hate the Capitals for various reason. We've also faired pretty well against the Pens all season, where we haven't against the Caps. Ovechkin figured out Ben Bishop, and has decimated us this season. So clearly I'm hoping we will get the Pens if we get to the Eastern Conference Finals. Seeing both Eastern series are 3-1 in Bolts/Pens favor, I think we're getting that series, with HOPEFULLY Stamkos back.
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Lehtonen almost giving the puck to the Blues for a goal while heading off for the extra attacker was great. :lol
Should have been a penalty, since the 6th attacker that came on the ice to replace him was already skating into the action, but fortunately it didn't matter.
The Blues best is better than the Stars best, plain and simple.
Yep. But they need to end it Monday night and get this over with. I don't like the idea of having to beat ANY team in game 7 in their house. I know it can be done but I'd rather just avoid it if possible.
Agreed. I might go Monday. Tickets won't be cheap, but that has the potential to be the best live game I've been to, if they win. It's tempting.
Oh and, I found the announcers insufferable today. They couldn't stroke the Stars enough....it was very annoying.
The only thing I noticed was how disappointed the play-by-play guy was when Stastny scored the ENG, but I took that as him being bummed that the last two minutes weren't more exciting, like they often are when a team has pulled their goalie.
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Do it Kev! I would if I were you. Playoff games are so much fun
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The only thing I noticed was how disappointed the play-by-play guy was when Stastny scored the ENG,
Really? Michaletti and the color announcer all but went down to the Stars bench and gave them all handies....it was pretty bad IMO.
And, I''d go to that game if I were you....I think it's probably going to be better than game 3.
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Well, even though Joe Micheletti used to play for the Blues and announced here for a while in the 90s, he is from Minnesota, so I am sure he grew up rooting for the Stars when they were the North Stars, so it's gotta be hard to always hide that.
On another note, the Sharks offense is pretty scary right now.
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I haven't been that impressed with the Hurricanes announcer, "Cam Ward says no" guy for many years now.
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Buh-bye Islanders!!! :tup
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Great shut out by Tampa Bay! Ben Bishop definitely showed why he is one of the best goalies today, and Victor Hedman was incredible. We get an extra day to rest and prepare for either the Pens or Caps. Let's go Bolts!!!
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Okay, win tonight and it's hello conference finals for the 1st time since 2001. Let's do this. #LetsGoBlues
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Okay, win tonight and it's hello conference finals for the 1st time since 2001. Let's do this. #LetsGoBlues
:metal
I've got NBCSports streaming on my laptop in class......ready to go. It'd be great to see the Blues play their best game of the playoffs tonight so this isn't even close....
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That escalated quickly...
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not exactly the start I'd hope to see....
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that was the first real 'soft goal' I've seen Elliot give up this playoffs....the first one. No way that should go in.
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not exactly the start I'd hope to see....
Revenge for that terrible version of the national anthem. :p
Things have stabilized now at least, still feel like this game could easily go either way.
Edit: Posted 1 minute prior to that PP goal.
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not exactly the start I'd hope to see....
Revenge for that terrible version of the national anthem. :p
Things have stabilized now at least, still feel like this game could easily go either way.
Edit: Posted 1 minute prior to that PP goal.
typical Dallas.....two good shifts gets them (2) goals and the Blues have dominated since.
edit: then a retarded PP goal from a team we've held at bay the whole time. Time for Jake Allen to start the second period.
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Ah, but why wait for the second period!
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I feel bad for Brian Elliot. He's been so great in these playoffs, but if we go on to lose this series now, fans here in St. Louis will never forgive him. It wasn't a Roman Turek-esque meltdown, ala 2001, but two of those goals, he should have stopped.
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I feel bad for Brian Elliot. He's been so great in these playoffs, but if we go on to lose this series now, fans here in St. Louis will never forgive him. It wasn't a Roman Turek-esque meltdown, ala 2001, but two of those goals, he should have stopped.
Yeah. Two pretty weak goals allowed. I still think we will come back and win.
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Nothing like dominating a game and still find yourself trailing by two goals. So frustrating.
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So close, but the Blues can only blame themselves for that disgusting 1st period. Now they have to win on the road in game 7.
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You've gotta be fuc%ing kidding me. Dallas wins that game because they played good for five fuc%ing minutes? Two soft ass goals. Son of a.....
That's infuriating
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So close, but the Blues can only blame themselves for that disgusting 1st period. Now they have to win on the road in game 7.
Ain't gonna happen. Blues gut us once again. I fuc%ing hate being a Blues fan. No excuse to lose this game, especially when you've massively outplayed your opponent all series. I can't believe this is going 7 games.
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Well, I know it's tough, but as a Blues fan I'd be remaining positive. Don't get me wrong, it's two really good teams, and it's practically a coin flip, but I like the Blues chances. Like you said, it was two really weak goals, and it has been their superior performance throughout the series as a whole that had them up 3-2 and able to give up this unfortunate game. I assume the Blues come just as hard next game, and unless the Stars ramp it up big time, I don't see them being so lucky again.
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I understand and you're right. I'll have a better outlook tomorrow. I'm too ticked right now to think rationally about it.....i can't get over how horrid of a start they had in that game given all that was at stake. There's no excuse to come out flat.
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So close, but the Blues can only blame themselves for that disgusting 1st period. Now they have to win on the road in game 7.
Ain't gonna happen. Blues gut us once again. I fuc%ing hate being a Blues fan. No excuse to lose this game, especially when you've massively outplayed your opponent all series. I can't believe this is going 7 games.
Come to the black n red side! ;D
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Sharks game has been great again tonight. Great PP go ahead goal by the Sharks, and a fantastic answer by the Preds. Gonna be an exciting finish.
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Another Sharks OT! Let's close it out y'all! :corn
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Man, that was a hell of a finish. Sharks had the pressure, but then one mistake on an air puck and we're going to game 7. If there is one great thing about both games tonight, it's that they give us two more nights of great hockey.
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Sure. Let's complete the evening with my a$$ hat brother in laws team forcing a game 7.
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Every time Hitchcock has sat Edmunson in favor of Bortuzzo in the playoffs we've lost. Haven't won a game with him in the line up....0-4. Why mess with it?
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I'll have a better outlook tomorrow.
I lied. I'm still pi$$ed and fully expect the 'close but no cigar' treatment on Wed. night because that's what the Blues do.....they just waited a couple extra games to do it this year.
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...and the Sharks are on the edge of crumbling in the playoffs. AGAIN.
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...and the Sharks are on the edge of crumbling in the playoffs. AGAIN.
your pain.....I feel it.....
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Yeah, next few days will be very interesting. Sharks, Blues, and Caps have all fell short of expectations for many years now. There is potential for a ton of relief or a LOT of renewed frustration.
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Sure. Let's complete the evening with my a$$ hat brother in laws team forcing a game 7.
If the preds win, that will be game seven on the road twice in the playoffs. If that happens the Sharks fans will be pissed.
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How the hell are the Predators doing so well with Rinne in net? That guy is fucking erratic. He's like an even more unhinged Marty Turco. Nearly every goal he gives up is directly his own fault for being too aggressive.
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Sure. Let's complete the evening with my a$$ hat brother in laws team forcing a game 7.
If the preds win, that will be game seven on the road twice in the playoffs. If that happens the Sharks fans will be pissed.
Knowing how my brother in law will react and what he will say and do IF the Preds win a game 7 and advance and the Blues don't.....I'd happily trade a Blues loss in game 7 to assure the Preds lost as well. He is THAT big of an a$$hole.
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Sharks have made the playoffs 19 out of their 24 seasons. Not one finals. :tdwn
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I'll have a better outlook tomorrow.
I lied. I'm still pi$$ed and fully expect the 'close but no cigar' treatment on Wed. night because that's what the Blues do.....they just waited a couple extra games to do it this year.
I think I've been the complete opposite. Yeah, it blows that they blew that opportunity, but I take most losses in stride now. It will be a rough one if they do lose tomorrow night, especially since they have outplayed the Stars for much of the series, but that is the way it goes sometimes. It's just a game. ;)
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I'll have a better outlook tomorrow.
I lied. I'm still pi$$ed and fully expect the 'close but no cigar' treatment on Wed. night because that's what the Blues do.....they just waited a couple extra games to do it this year.
I think I've been the complete opposite. Yeah, it blows that they blew that opportunity, but I take most losses in stride now. It will be a rough one if they do lose tomorrow night, especially since they have outplayed the Stars for much of the series, but that is the way it goes sometimes. It's just a game. ;)
Yeah I get it but I fell for it again. I'm all in and had already planned my Stanley Cup Tat they'd been playing so well in my eyes.
I get they could still potentially win tomorrow night, but how can a championship team not close a series out at home in an environment like they had last night? It bugs the living crap out of me.
I'll watch and I'll root and chew my nails, I'll cuss at the air and beat my couch like its a punching bag. Hopefully they pull it off.
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I know it's easy to look at last night as the Blues being the Blues again, but there are countless example over the years of teams having a chance to clinch at home and failing to do so, and every time, we wonder how that team could have a home game and not come through and put the other team away, but that kind of unpredictability is part of what makes sports so great. Sure, that bit us in the ass last night, but more than any other sport, home ice/field advantage doesn't mean much in hockey (the home team is 5-8 in Blues playoff games this postseason), which is why I never thought for a second that winning last night was a mere formality. And I think many Blues are forgetting that these Stars had the 2nd best record in the league for a reason. Their ability to capitalize on the few chances they had in the 1st period last night is why they were so good this year.
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Good point and i think that's what frustrates me so much with Dallas. They'll literally have four good shifts in a game and win a game with those four good shifts. It makes my blood boil.
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Pens are starting to fall apart in this game.
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3 puck over the glass penalties in 2:02 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'm really pulling for the Caps in this one. I hope the Penguins keep it up with these idiotic mistakes :rollin
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I just want to see another game 7. Also, I'm kinda pulling for Ovechkin to get a cup. I don't really have a team left in the playoffs though. I just want entertaining games at this point.
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I just want to see another game 7. Also, I'm kinda pulling for Ovechkin to get a cup. I don't really have a team left in the playoffs though. I just want entertaining games at this point.
I'm in the same boat, but I really don't care for the Penguins so it's fun to root against them :lol
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I just want to see another game 7. Also, I'm kinda pulling for Ovechkin to get a cup. I don't really have a team left in the playoffs though. I just want entertaining games at this point.
Ovi is why I'm a Caps fan for these playoffs. He's my favourite player aside from Price, and he needs a Cup so people stop bringing up that he doesn't have one.
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How the hell did Pittsburgh not score in that last flurry.
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The hockey gods smite the Capitals again. They deserved a better fate after that awesome comeback, but it is what it is.
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The hockey gods smite the Capitals again. They deserved a better fate after that awesome comeback, but it is what it is.
Very true. It was almost a given that they had to lose. NO 3RD ROUND FOR YOU! !
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Mike Lange's call to end the game was priceless. "And all the Presidents' Trophy men couldn't put Humpty together again."
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It's pretty crazy to think that Ovechkin has never gotten passed the second round. The Capitals have one two President's Trophies and six division titles with him yet can't seem to get to the Conference Finals. Hell, Washington hasn't been passed the second round since their 1997-98 playoff run that ended in a Stanley Cup Finals loss to Detroit. It's a cruel fate for a great and classy player (meanwhile crybaby Crosby gets to play in his fourth conference final).
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It is so entertaining to (not) watch my sister-in-law's husband's Facebook page as that game progressed. Sheer silence until the Caps came back. Then it was all "CARDIAC CAPS! COME ON BOYS LETS GET THIS IN OT! WE GOT THIS!" and all this bombast and confidence and then sheer, uninterrupted, unmitigated silence. Nothing. No comments on others' posts, no updates, nothing. I can feel the darkness emanating from his profile.
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It is so entertaining to (not) watch my sister-in-law's husband's Facebook page as that game progressed. Sheer silence until the Caps came back. Then it was all "CARDIAC CAPS! COME ON BOYS LETS GET THIS IN OT! WE GOT THIS!" and all this bombast and confidence and then sheer, uninterrupted, unmitigated silence. Nothing. No comments on others' posts, no updates, nothing. I can feel the darkness emanating from his profile soul.
Fix'd (I assume).
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Love the Pens hate in this thread :lol
I'm beyond pumped this team outlasted the Caps, it was a hard fought series as expected! When it came down to it, the Pens depth scoring came through.
It's pretty crazy to think that Ovechkin has never gotten passed the second round. The Capitals have one two President's Trophies and six division titles with him yet can't seem to get to the Conference Finals. Hell, Washington hasn't been passed the second round since their 1997-98 playoff run that ended in a Stanley Cup Finals loss to Detroit. It's a cruel fate for a great and classy player (meanwhile crybaby Crosby gets to play in his fourth conference final).
Seriously? Crybaby Crosby? :lol Come on man, give me a break. You mean like when the "classy" player Ovechkin brutally slashed the crybaby and instead of crying or complaining to the refs or taking a stupid penalty, he took his frustration out in the runway and came back to be a stabilizing force in the game a days ago? Its funny when the only criticism of Sid can be something completely not true, it's cool though, he will keep on being the best hockey player in the world.
Onward and upward Pens!
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It is so entertaining to (not) watch my sister-in-law's husband's Facebook page as that game progressed. Sheer silence until the Caps came back. Then it was all "CARDIAC CAPS! COME ON BOYS LETS GET THIS IN OT! WE GOT THIS!" and all this bombast and confidence and then sheer, uninterrupted, unmitigated silence. Nothing. No comments on others' posts, no updates, nothing. I can feel the darkness emanating from his profile soul.
Fix'd (I assume).
Most likely. In a day or two he'll proclaim his undying loyalty to the team and say NEXT YEAR BABY and all will resume again in October.
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I cannot concentrate on anything at all today. All I want it to be is 7:00. I'm so anxious and ready to watch this game 7. I'm cautiously optimistic we can pull it out but really just hope that the Blues play a solid "good" game, with their typical effort that they did all season. If they do I don't think Dallas can handle that....actually I know they can't. Just don't want to see the Blues take a period or a couple shifts off and allow Dallas to take advantage of that....that's what'll drive me insane.
gonna be a long 8-1/2 hours....
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Nothing but respect for the Pengiuns. A lot of Caps fans are talking about this team collapsing (again), but I don't think that's the case. Sure the Caps won the President's Trophy, but it's clear that Pittsburgh was the better team during the last part of the season. To me, this isn't a failure like losing to an 8 seed in the first round. They lost to a formidable opponent and went down swinging.
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Nothing but respect for the Pengiuns. A lot of Caps fans are talking about this team collapsing (again), but I don't think that's the case. Sure the Caps won the President's Trophy, but it's clear that Pittsburgh was the better team during the last part of the season. To me, this isn't a failure like losing to an 8 seed in the first round. They lost to a formidable opponent and went down swinging.
Agreed completely. Two really good teams that battled it out over a hard fought series.
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The hockey fan in me thinks a Bolts/Caps rivalry game in the Conference Finals would've been awesome, but the Lighting fan in me says FUCK OVECHKIN!
Bolts/Pens series will be fun. Crosby vs Bishop
Lets. Go. BOLTS.
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I guess I'll cheer for the Pens here. Hate the Bolts too much. Also Matt Murray bringing the cup to Thunder Bay as a rookie goaltender would be the coolest! Sharks are my overall team atm though unless they get eliminated.
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You're fucking kidding me
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More horse shit for a horse shit rule
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That's a pretty ballsy review/rescinding of a goal. It isn't really possible to be any closer to onsides and still be "offisides." Not sure how i feel about that, but just as I type this it doesn't seem to matter as they got the goal right back.
Also, two HORRIBLE goals for Lehtonen to give up, even if only one counted. Two bad angle, stoppable pucks.
And I really dislike the "coach's challenge on offsides" rule.
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Well...Lehtonen is killing his team tonight.
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Maybe that rescinding is what motivated them to score two more. :lol You never know.
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I guess I'll cheer for the Pens here. Hate the Bolts too much. Also Matt Murray bringing the cup to Thunder Bay as a rookie goaltender would be the coolest! Sharks are my overall team atm though unless they get eliminated.
Just curious, why do you not like the Lightning if you are a Sharks fan? East Coast-West Coast Rival Bay Areas? Lol
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3-0 and should be 4-0. I stand by what I have said all along: the Blues best is better than the Stars best. The Blues just need to play their game for another 40.
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That's a pretty ballsy review/rescinding of a goal. It isn't really possible to be any closer to onsides and still be "offisides." Not sure how i feel about that, but just as I type this it doesn't seem to matter as they got the goal right back.
Also, two HORRIBLE goals for Lehtonen to give up, even if only one counted. Two bad angle, stoppable pucks.
And I really dislike the "coach's challenge on offsides" rule.
I hate it for those like that one and the other one we were screwed on that are a matter of centimeters. The rule was written and states for "egregious" offsides, of which that one and the one against Chicago was not.
But I'm happy to see the Blues keep the pedal to the metal. Need 40 More minutes of solid hockey.
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Okay, this is ridiculous. Either a play is offsides or it is not. You can't just randomly decide if something is offside "enough". The right call was made.
That said, it doesn't look like it will matter, the Stars are gift-wrapping this game for the Blues. Allen will come in for the 2nd period, but I doubt it will be enough unless the Blues take their foot off the pedal. Or, you know, if they take 3 delay of game penalties in 3 minutes.
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Okay, this is ridiculous. Either a play is offsides or it is not. You can't just randomly decide if something is offside "enough". The right call was made.
That said, it doesn't look like it will matter, the Stars are gift-wrapping this game for the Blues. Allen will come in for the 2nd period, but I doubt it will be enough unless the Blues take their foot off the pedal. Or, you know, if they take 3 delay of game penalties in 3 minutes.
It was offsides according to the rule. The rule needs to be amended to enforce egregious.
Second, there's no gift wrapping going on. The Blues are just outplaying them to this point.
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The Blues are outplaying them, but Lethtonen gave them those goals, including the disallowed one. I think if Niemi had started, it would be closer, but STL would still be up.
As far as the offsides rule, yeah the right call might have been made but the interpretation of the rule is becoming exactly like the crease rule was in 96-97. There were playoff games determined by crease violations when a minute fraction of the toe of an uninvolved player's skate was hovering over the crease line. Here we have a playoff game seven getting paused and possibly derailed because of a longshot coach's challenge that turned out to be correct by 2mm. In hindsight it hasn't mattered much in this case because STL is taking it to them, but that was not an egregious offsides, and those couple millimeters didn't have any real impact on the play. If Tarasenko had gotten a clearer path to the goal or somehow beaten a defenseman BECAUSE of the offside step he had, then yes, it's egregious offsides and deserves review. This felt like Dallas grasping at a straw to staunch the bleeding that happened to work. For 2 minutes.
I dislike the rule, even if the right call was made.
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No, the rule should not be amended. You want Toronto just using their judgment when something is egregious or not? You want to bring the same inconsistency that can be seen with things like incidental contact to the offsides call? There is a clear line, and clear rules on what is and is not offsides. We have the ability to make the right call. There is no reason to settle for less on this.
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Settle down there, sir. I said I dislike the rule and stated why I dislike it. I don't like coach's challenges, in any sport.
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I get that, I just don't like the idea of only enforcing something if it's obvious, when the right call can almost always be made.
And there is another soft goal. I'm not saying the Blues aren't playing well, but they aren't playing 4-0 well better than the Blues. The Stars goaltending has cost them this game.
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I guess I'll cheer for the Pens here. Hate the Bolts too much. Also Matt Murray bringing the cup to Thunder Bay as a rookie goaltender would be the coolest! Sharks are my overall team atm though unless they get eliminated.
Just curious, why do you not like the Lightning if you are a Sharks fan? East Coast-West Coast Rival Bay Areas? Lol
I'm actually a Hab fan. Just a Sharks fan for the time being in the playoffs. ;) As for reasoning, I find I just naturally grow to dislike a team when we play them in the playoffs, and doing it twice in a short span just makes it stronger. :lol That and I despise Ben Bishop.
I get that, I just don't like the idea of only enforcing something if it's obvious, when the right call can almost always be made.
And there is another soft goal. I'm not saying the Blues aren't playing well, but they aren't playing 4-0 well better than the Blues. The Stars goaltending has cost them this game.
Basically what I expected to happen to the Stars these playoffs. If they get good goaltending, they will be a huge threat. With their current goaltending, they aren't a contender, while the Blues are true contenders.
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I get that, I just don't like the idea of only enforcing something if it's obvious, when the right call can almost always be made.
And there is another soft goal. I'm not saying the Blues aren't playing well, but they aren't playing 4-0 well better than the Blues. The Stars goaltending has cost them this game.
Just as the Blues goalie cost them the last one.
As far as the goals....create the chances and see what happens.
As far as the rule. I hate it merely because it's cost StL two goals now, one of which cost them a W.
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What a dive by Benn Wow.
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Dallas playing Ytse Jam after StLs 5th goal on the PA
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That said, it doesn't look like it will matter, the Stars are gift-wrapping this game for the Blues.
Wrong as usual. :lol
The Stars outplayed the Blues for about 10 minutes in the 1st, but other than that, the Blues have outplayed them.
Goals in this series:
Blues 24
Stars 11
There is no doubt which team is better at this point. :tup :tup
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Man, I was really looking forward to this game and now it's not even interesting any more :lol Happy for the Blues though, I hope they go on to win the cup.
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Tough 20 minutes coming up. C'mon boys.....keep the hammer down!
Man, I was really looking forward to this game and now it's not even interesting any more :lol Happy for the Blues though, I hope they go on to win the cup.
It ain't over til the buzzer sounds. I'd treat this period like it was 0-0 if i were the Blues.
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Don't mean to "jinx" you guys, but it's all but impossible for them to lose.
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Don't mean to "jinx" you guys, but it's all but impossible for them to lose.
I will hunt you down....... :lol
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That said, it doesn't look like it will matter, the Stars are gift-wrapping this game for the Blues.
Wrong as usual. :lol
The Stars outplayed the Blues for about 10 minutes in the 1st, but other than that, the Blues have outplayed them.
Goals in this series:
Blues 24
Stars 11
There is no doubt which team is better at this point. :tup :tup
Dear lord, not everything is a slight against your team. Yes, you've been the better team in this series, and in this game, but that doesn't mean the Stars didn't give up some very soft goals in this game.
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Hey, can we at least agree that the Stars goaltenders did absolutely nothing to prevent that 6th goal? :biggrin:
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Hey, can we at least agree that the Stars goaltenders did absolutely nothing to prevent that 6th goal? :biggrin:
:lol
I'm impressed with Elliot. Shaking off game 6 and showing up to play hard tonight. As a Blurs fan this game was quite a statement.
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You guys
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:biggrin: :metal
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Thank you Nick for using your head to type posts. Not calling a play offside because it's "not off by much" would be the same as calling a goal in if it was 3/4 over the line because it's "close enough."
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I'm not sure that play tonight was offsides. They kept showing the replay that showed with his skate was up, but at the same time, the puck was well in the zone. They never did a freeze frame of the exact moment when the puck was in the zone to where we could see if his skate really was off the ice. Too close to call, but I am clearly partial here. :lol :lol
Anyway, awesome win tonight. Conference Finals, baby!! :metal :metal
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I'm with the haters on the coach's challenge rule. Nick, the way the coach's challenge rule is worded is the issue - not the rule of something being off-sides or not. The coach's challenge rule is the one that sucks. Was the right "offsides" call made tonight - sure. Was it the right use of the coach's challenge rule - no. Coach's are using it when grasping at straws. The challenge is to be used "if an offside play leads to a goal". Like Birere a few years ago; like Duchene. Not like the 1" difference tonight or against Chicago in Round 1. Either way... when it's the difference of a game winning or series clinching OT goal (ala Hull against Buffalo in '99) you'll see the rule changed. No way the refs were gonna overrule that one, even though they should've.
Either way, I was happy as shit when they got the 2nd goal to make it irrelevant anyway.
Congrats to the Blues and city and fans. Tomorrow's game should be good - and it's on at a reasonable hour!
@ Kev... they did on the feed I was watching, and it was a matter of an inch or less.
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Yep, that's what I mean by too close to call. Thank God it didn't matter, because had the game turned on that negated goal...I cannot even imagine. :lol :lol
I don't care who wins tomorrow night. The Blues can beat either. :metal
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I don't care who wins tomorrow night. The Blues can beat either. :metal
I really want it to be the Sharks, but a small part of me wants it to be Nash so that there aren't any 10pm ET games!
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For the offside discussion: I think that once an alotted amount of time passes, say 10 or 15 seconds, then the play is unreviewable for offside. Some of these offsides called back, like when a team cycles the puck for 30-45 seconds and then scores, while the play is offside if is not the reason the goal went in, it's another defensive breakdown that leads to it. And these close plays, you have to realize teams have people watching it on bigger monitors than the refs are reviewing them with, and telling the coach to challenge a play. I doubt if any coach this year challenged a play before somebody in their organization said it was close enough to risk it. I didn't see the play in question tonight, but I think there's no doubt that a video coach is watching it and tells Lindy Rush he should challenge it.
Challenging goalie interference is much more agreeable IMO. It's pretty clear when contact with a goalie interferes with his ability to stop the puck.
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I could get on board with that. I also think (and mentioned earlier) that the consequence for a failed challenge should be more than just losing a timeout - it should be a delay of game penalty... because that's exactly what the coach has done. That will make people think hard about whether they should challenge or not.
1 - the wording needs to be reworded
2 - failed challenge is a delay of game
3 - limit the amount of time the linesman can review the play - that StL/Chi one was brutal... almost 5 minutes to review it. If you can't tell after 5 minutes of studying replays, then it wasn't meaningful enough to impact the play
4 - limit the lapsed time between entering the zone, and scoring a goal that allows for a challenge
Yes, a rule is a rule, but there is some limit to how much importance/benefit there is of 100% enforcement of every rule with the help of technology vs letting the refs/linesmen do their job in real-time
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With the Elimination of the Dallas Stars, the winner of the Western conference is guaranteed to be a team who has never won a game in the Stanley Cup finals
Crazy. Something I like a lot though!
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I could get on board with that. I also think (and mentioned earlier) that the consequence for a failed challenge should be more than just losing a timeout - it should be a delay of game penalty... because that's exactly what the coach has done. That will make people think hard about whether they should challenge or not.
1 - the wording needs to be reworded
2 - failed challenge is a delay of game
3 - limit the amount of time the linesman can review the play - that StL/Chi one was brutal... almost 5 minutes to review it. If you can't tell after 5 minutes of studying replays, then it wasn't meaningful enough to impact the play
4 - limit the lapsed time between entering the zone, and scoring a goal that allows for a challenge
Yes, a rule is a rule, but there is some limit to how much importance/benefit there is of 100% enforcement of every rule with the help of technology vs letting the refs/linesmen do their job in real-time
all of this and:
The simplest way to 'fix' this rule is to give the blue line the same properties as the end zone line in football. It extends straight up. When the player is past the line and horribly offside...the reason the rule was written.....it'll be very easy to see and plays like last night and in game two where we're talking fractions of an inch with the player still being on the blue line but just above it....your're still onside.
You could literally call offside on probably 90% of the entries into the zone based off the technical reading of this rule.
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That's a great point Gary... the blueline being measured in 3 dimensions is a better solution. If leagues are going to use technology to analyze the intent, then perhaps some rules also need to evolve with the times.
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Don't mean to "jinx" you guys, but it's all but impossible for them to lose.
I will hunt you down....... :lol
Ok, so would you rather play the Preds or the Sharks. Of course factoring in the Brother in law.
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Personally I would MUCH rather face the Predators, but after reading DownGoesBrown's Sharks playoff failures post from this morning I'm not so scared of the Sharks either :lol
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Don't mean to "jinx" you guys, but it's all but impossible for them to lose.
I will hunt you down....... :lol
Ok, so would you rather play the Preds or the Sharks. Of course factoring in the Brother in law.
Honestly, I'd rather play the Preds for a couple reasons. 1. The Sharks are scary and basically play the same game as the Blues. I think the advantage goes to the Blues in the goaltending though...so I still think the Blues would fair well. 2. I'd like to beat the Preds just so I can flip the script on my bro in law and rub his face in it. 3. In all but one game this year the Blues utterly dominated the Preds and I think they could beat them in 5 games.
that being said, playing the Preds and losing to them would be a nightmare only because of the Bro in Law.
Certainly don't want to take anything for granted and know that every team left is capable of winning a series, but like Backes said last night. If the Blues play the game they know they're capable of playing....I don't see a team left on either side that can beat them. It's really up to them. If they are knocked out I do not think it'll be because a team beat them, I think it'll be because they lost the games...not the other team winning them. To me there's a difference.
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I said a page or so ago. This is the Blues' shot at this thing. This is it.
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I said a page or so ago. This is the Blues' shot at this thing. This is it.
It is. And this is a weird spot to be in as a Blues fan. getting this far 'feels' like it's "meant to be".....but there are (3) other teams that will have that same feeling and attitude and that are more than capable of winning 4 or 7 games against any team. I like our team, I like our chances. All I can hope for is that IF they Blues are eliminated that they've played their best hockey and were just beat. It'd suck to go home at this point because of them laying an egg and 'handing' it over.
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I said a page or so ago. This is the Blues' shot at this thing. This is it.
It is. And this is a weird spot to be in as a Blues fan. getting this far 'feels' like it's "meant to be".....but there are (3) other teams that will have that same feeling and attitude and that are more than capable of winning 4 or 7 games against any team. I like our team, I like our chances. All I can hope for is that IF they Blues are eliminated that they've played their best hockey and were just beat. It'd suck to go home at this point because of them laying an egg and 'handing' it over.
Oddly, this is also the best chance the Sharks will ever have again as well.
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I could get on board with that. I also think (and mentioned earlier) that the consequence for a failed challenge should be more than just losing a timeout - it should be a delay of game penalty... because that's exactly what the coach has done. That will make people think hard about whether they should challenge or not.
Could not agree more.
Looks like it's gonna be Blues/Sharks. Gonna be a long, physical series.
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I feel bad for Rinne. He's been fine, but Nashville has played just despicably. Weber and Josi are up there with the best D pairings in the league and they're a complete and utter joke tonight.
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Gonna be a lot of ice baths after those Blues/Sharks games. And, I'm going to lose a ton of sleep with 9:00 (St. Louis time) starts in San Jose.
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I had hoped for a Caps-Blues finals, but Penguins-Blues wouldn't be so bad.
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I had hoped that Nashville wouldn't leave a steaming pile on the ice tonight as well. :(
Can't believe both the Western games ending in such dominance. Like the Blues last night, the Sharks came in and played and amazing game. I only got to see 1.5 period of this one, as I finally got to see Civil War tonight, but the highlights and stats seem to backup what I saw the rest of the game. Congrats to the Sharks and Blues, I look forward to a good series there.
And, I'm going to lose a ton of sleep with 9:00 (St. Louis time) starts in San Jose.
Wah. :p
I'm one time zone over, don't have a horse in the race, and will still be up to watch those games. :D
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Gonna be a lot of ice baths after those Blues/Sharks games. And, I'm going to lose a ton of sleep with 9:00 (St. Louis time) starts in San Jose.
I could be wrong, but with only one game per night, I suspect the games in SJ at night will start at 8:00 STL time. The NHL and NBC wants ratings, and they aren't going to get them with games starting at 9 p.m. on the East coast.
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Fuck yeah! This is the Western Conference Finals I was hoping for. Along with Chicago, St. Louis and San Jose are part of my top three from the West but with the modern Blackhawks already earning their place among the all time great dynasties, I wanted to see someone different. This will ensure a new Conference champion and give me a 50% chance that a team I like will win it all and a 100% chance of there being a team that I like in the finals. This should be a great, hard hitting series and one that I'm looking forward to immensely.
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Hard to believe that both Game 7s were so lopsided. Pretty weak on both the Stars and the Preds. I don't want to take anything away from how good the Blues/Sharks played, but seriously... it was a combination of how strong they were AND how weak their opponents were.
Gary... have some fun with you BiL. :lol
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Hard to believe that both Game 7s were so lopsided. Pretty weak on both the Stars and the Preds. I don't want to take anything away from how good the Blues/Sharks played, but seriously... it was a combination of how strong they were AND how weak their opponents were.
Gary... have some fun with you BiL. :lol
I agree that both the Stars and Preds didn't help their cause by the effort they gave. Both teams had spurts of ambition but that's when the Blues/Sharks quickly extinguished those efforts....further frustrating them. Early in game 7 when Dallas had that 'home team push' going on the opportunities they did have Elliot rose to the task of making big saves.
And....giving my bro in law a hard time would mean I'd actually have to speak to him so that's not gonna happen. We haven't said a word or texted each other since January....long story but prior to that we probably spoke once a week.
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Those game sevens reminded me much of DET/COL in 2002. Still had some rivalry going on, Hasek vs Roy, was supposed to be the strength of the Avs vs the firepower of the Wings and it wound up being a 7-0 rout.
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SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAARKS!!! :metal :metal :metal
Now it's REALLY time for Sharks fans to be scared based on their playoff history.
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No no no no!!!! Bishop was just carted off the ice. He's such a key piece for us :'(
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With Johnson, that's the third injury of this game! This is crazy!
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Really hate to see injuries like that, both looked like they were in a lot of pain :sadpanda:
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No no no no!!!! Bishop was just carted off the ice. He's such a key piece for us :'(
Not able to watch tonight but just pulled up a clip on my phone and that didn't look good. Not the actual motion that caused the injury but his body language and reactions make it appear that it's pretty serious. That sucks.
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Let's Go Blues!
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Hoping for a series opener win tonight.
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Hell yeah. #LetsGoBlues
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:metal
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Wouldn't be a playoff game if the Blues didn't get screwed out of a goal.
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That slash better be called both ways. Such a BS call
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Wouldn't be a playoff game if the Blues didn't get screwed out of a goal.
They didn't get screwed out of anything. Clear cut and dry goalie interference.
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Wouldn't be a playoff game if the Blues didn't get screwed out of a goal.
They didn't get screwed out of anything. Clear cut and dry goalie interference.
Don't you know it's always getting screwed when it goes against your team. :biggrin:
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The good news is that NBC announcing is sticking with the theme of felating whichever team and members of that team the Blues are playing.
I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
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Blues got a pretty lucky whistle there ::)
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I'm rooting for St. Louis but man that quick whistle was bullshit. The refs owe San Jose a goal.
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Wouldn't be a playoff game if the Blues didn't get screwed out of a goal.
Right call
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Blues got a pretty lucky whistle there ::)
Yeah. I won't argue with it. ::)
I'm rooting for St. Louis but man that quick whistle was bullshit. The refs owe San Jose a goal.
Let's not get carried away. Doesn't mean it's have been a goal. Elliot heard the whistle and stopped all effort. It's not like it was a scrum around the net, it was a slow roller that was barely moving and the only reason it went into the net is because Ward kicked Elliot's stick.
If the refs are owing anything it's a power play for that BS slashing call on Ott....that was a tap.
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Sharks outplayed us in the 2nd period, but we're winning. I'll take that.
I know he had the stats this year, but SJ's goalie just doesn't scare me at all.
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He doesn't have the Whammy aura that most goalies have, he seems like a very chill person
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Wouldn't be a playoff game if the Blues didn't get screwed out of a goal.
Right call
Sure. But the Sharks goalie did make initial contact with Berglund. Whatever.
Sharks outplayed us in the 2nd period, but we're winning. I'll take that.
I know he had the stats this year, but SJ's goalie just doesn't scare me at all.
We have the advantage in the goalie position. No question.
As far as them outplaying us, oh well. I think we will have a strong third period. We clearly have not hit any stride yet.
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That 2nd goal was as soft as Charmin. I enjoyed it.
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The good news is that NBC announcing is sticking with the theme of felating whichever team and members of that team the Blues are playing.
I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
It will be even worse if it ends up being a St. Louis/Pittsburgh final. The NBC broadcast team will forever have the taste of Crosby in their mouths and if that matchup ends up happening, I can almost guarantee that you won't hear anything good said about the Blues because that would mean going against the Penguins.
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The good news is that NBC announcing is sticking with the theme of felating whichever team and members of that team the Blues are playing.
I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
It will be even worse if it ends up being a St. Louis/Pittsburgh final. The NBC broadcast team will forever have the taste of Crosby in their mouths and if that matchup ends up happening, I can almost guarantee that you won't hear anything good said about the Blues because that would mean going against the Penguins.
It won't matter who plays either team from the East. It'll be an East love fest....but it'll be especially over the top if it is Pitt.
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That 2nd goal was as soft as Charmin. I enjoyed it.
I don't think he was ready for how hard the shot came out. Lehtera fought through a stick to hit that. It was a weird shot.
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That 2nd goal was as soft as Charmin. I enjoyed it.
I don't think he was ready for how hard the shot came out. Lehtera fought through a stick to hit that. It was a weird shot.
Maybe so, but you still gotta stop that.
It reminded me a tad of the Nashville OT winner in Game 6. It's hard to keep winning in the playoffs when your goalie keeps giving up goals that soft.
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That 2nd goal was as soft as Charmin. I enjoyed it.
I don't think he was ready for how hard the shot came out. Lehtera fought through a stick to hit that. It was a weird shot.
Maybe so, but you still gotta stop that.
It reminded me a tad of the Nashville OT winner in Game 6. It's hard to keep winning in the playoffs when your goalie keeps giving up goals that soft.
Very true.
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As Blues fans, we can relate. :facepalm:
Ryan Miller and Roman Turek can both F off forever. :lol
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Thank god the Canadian broadcast has Bob Cole on the mic... he's been announcing games since before I was a teenager. A god among men when it comes to play-by-play. He's in his late 80s, so he does have his moments of WTF??
That second goal was soft like shit on a hot summer night. But it got a "wahoo" out of me.
I have a bad feeling that Elliott is gonna flub something - twice he's missed covering up an idle puck.
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HOLY F'n Dive. You have to be joking? Unreal.
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HOLY F'n Dive. You have to be joking? Unreal.
You are too funny man
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HOLY F'n Dive. You have to be joking? Unreal.
You are too funny man
You can't possibly be serious? He lept.
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Almost like these guys are going at fast speeds and can be sent flying
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@ Gary... you are homer-ing it up quite a bit. It was a legit penalty.
Oh, and I'm loving the season ticket holders behind the visiting coach! "Long live the note" indeed!!
I'll give SJ this... they have the best playoff beards!
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Almost like these guys are going at fast speeds and can be sent flying
He literally jumped dude. He moved forward about three feet after being touched then dove forward. It was plain as day
Chad. You're crazy too :biggrin:
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I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
You also don't know what it's like to watch it impartially. ;) :P :-*
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I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
You also don't know what it's like to watch it impartially. ;) :P :-*
Well duh.
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That's REAL early to pull Jones.
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One down
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Blues don't play anywhere near their best and still win. Woohoo. :tup :tup
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This loss doesn't worry me much. Jones let in the rare softy but he carries the team on his back some nights, dude is a champ. Hopefully they win the next game though. Just have to play more like we did in game 7 against Nashville, keep the game moving.
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This Western series is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
Hopefully the commentary in this thread will get less painful to read as it goes on.
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This Western series is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
Hopefully the commentary in this thread will get less painful to read as it goes on.
I'm gonna shut up in here anyway. Most of what I say are things that bug me and are better heard by my dog.
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Hopefully the commentary in this thread will get less painful to read as it goes on.
It was better the last week. :P
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Hopefully the commentary in this thread will get less painful to read as it goes on.
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The talk in this thread is just fine.
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The good news is that NBC announcing is sticking with the theme of felating whichever team and members of that team the Blues are playing.
I don't know what it'd sound like to listen to an impartial broadcast.
...what? I don't remember the last time I was annoyed by partiality of a broadcast, except for example when NBC puts the Blackhawks announcers on the national game, which hasn't happened in awhile for a Blues game at least. Most local guys do a decent job of covering their tracks when they are broadcasting for the national network, and guys that are calling a game for teams they don't even normally call for? I have seen no problems at all.
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My favorite part of that Blues/Sharks game was the beard tugging :lol
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Great start by Pittsburgh.
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Yeah, good game so far. Vasilevskiy seemed uncomfortable at first being the starting goalie, but he seemed to have gotten over that in the second quarter so far. He absolutely robbed Crosby of a goal with a glove save! Kid's gonna be a star goalie someday
Keep it up Bolts! ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
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Keep it up Bolts! ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Yes! Go Bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
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Well...shit...what a god damn waste. The first minute of the game hurt us, and the first minute of OT killed us.
Also, I can't believe that's Crosby's first OT goal
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Well...shit...what a god damn waste. The first minute of the game hurt us, and the first minute of OT killed us.
Also, I can't believe that's Crosby's first OT goal
Can v USA :neverusethis:
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Awesome shot to win it.
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Well...shit...what a god damn waste. The first minute of the game hurt us, and the first minute of OT killed us.
Also, I can't believe that's Crosby's first OT goal
Can v USA :neverusethis:
o/
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Well...shit...what a god damn waste. The first minute of the game hurt us, and the first minute of OT killed us.
Also, I can't believe that's Crosby's first OT goal
Can v USA :neverusethis:
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Intercepting this crap for MERIKA.
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Good game last night. Pens and Bolts seems like its going to be a hard fought series.
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Tarasenkos wife gave birth to their first child, a boy today. I'm thinking that'll get two goals from him tonight. Isn't there some Russian law they you have to score at least one goal on the day your child is born or you're shipped off to Siberia or something?
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This is killing me that the Blues/Sharks is on the same timetable as the Cavs/Raptors!!! Doesn't help that mrs.jingle hates sports too. But the good news is that she's had bad headaches the past few days, and going to bed early. I'm sure tonight will be more of the same.
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I get the whole point of what you said and all that, but did you really just say it was good news that your wife has had headaches each of the last few days? ???
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This is killing me that the Blues/Sharks is on the same timetable as the Cavs/Raptors!!! Doesn't help that mrs.jingle hates sports too. But the good news is that she's had bad headaches the past few days, and going to bed early. I'm sure tonight will be more of the same.
Raptors? You mean "other" :lol
I don't know if you saw that story, but I just thought it was sad and funny.
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This is killing me that the Blues/Sharks is on the same timetable as the Cavs/Raptors!!! Doesn't help that mrs.jingle hates sports too. But the good news is that she's had bad headaches the past few days, and going to bed early. I'm sure tonight will be more of the same.
Let me make it easier for you: Raptors are going to lose the series in 3 games (they won't even bother showing up for game 4), so you should just focus on the hockey game.
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I get the whole point of what you said and all that, but did you really just say it was good news that your wife has had headaches each of the last few days? ???
I did, and realized exactly how it sounded. :biggrin: :blush "Good news" exclusively as it relates to me watching sports. Not good otherwise. And it's not terrible headaches/migraine's... just something that makes her want to crash early - ergo I'm not in the doghouse for wanting and watching the games.
This is killing me that the Blues/Sharks is on the same timetable as the Cavs/Raptors!!! Doesn't help that mrs.jingle hates sports too. But the good news is that she's had bad headaches the past few days, and going to bed early. I'm sure tonight will be more of the same.
Raptors? You mean "other" :lol
I don't know if you saw that story, but I just thought it was sad and funny.
I did not. Link?
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I get the whole point of what you said and all that, but did you really just say it was good news that your wife has had headaches each of the last few days? ???
I did, and realized exactly how it sounded. :biggrin: :blush "Good news" exclusively as it relates to me watching sports. Not good otherwise. And it's not terrible headaches/migraine's... just something that makes her want to crash early - ergo I'm not in the doghouse for wanting and watching the games.
This is killing me that the Blues/Sharks is on the same timetable as the Cavs/Raptors!!! Doesn't help that mrs.jingle hates sports too. But the good news is that she's had bad headaches the past few days, and going to bed early. I'm sure tonight will be more of the same.
Raptors? You mean "other" :lol
I don't know if you saw that story, but I just thought it was sad and funny.
I did not. Link?
https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2016/05/17/who-will-win-nba-title-raptors-left-off-cbs-poll-for-other.html
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I did, and realized exactly how it sounded. :biggrin: :blush "Good news" exclusively as it relates to me watching sports. Not good otherwise. And it's not terrible headaches/migraine's... just something that makes her want to crash early - ergo I'm not in the doghouse for wanting and watching the games.
I figured that, I just thought the wording of what you wrote was rather humorous.
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Here ya go Jingle.
https://fansided.com/2016/05/17/toronto-mayor-responds-toronto-raptors-left-poll/ (https://fansided.com/2016/05/17/toronto-mayor-responds-toronto-raptors-left-poll/)
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Looks like the Blues decided to take another game off. :facepalm:
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This is painful. Steve Ott is such a worthless player.
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AND DIS GAME IS OVAAAAAAH! :metal
OK, Sharks, three more like that. K? Thx
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How about that Joner?
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The better team won tonight.
Was it just me, or was the ice shit tonight? Lots of missed passes, and the puck seemed to be very bouncy.
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Great game by Pittsburgh tonight, totally dominated the Lightning. If they keep playing like that it's going to be over in a hurry.
I have to say, this has been a well-reffed series. They're letting a lot of the small things go and letting them play, and unless there's some egregious, I prefer those kind of games.
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Great game by Pittsburgh tonight, totally dominated the Lightning. If they keep playing like that it's going to be over in a hurry.
Honestly, its if the LIGHTNING keep playing like that, it's going to be over in a hurry. I'm having flashbacks of last years Stanley Cup where we had a dominate season and a great playoff run, then played like we never stepped foot on the ice in the championship series. Disappointed Bolts fan, right here.
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Granted, I haven't watched many Lightning games this year, but aside from the 2nd period of game 1, this is as good as I have ever seen this Penguin team play. Their structure, team speed, and forecheck are giving the Lightning fits, especially the line of Kessel, Hagelin, and Bonino. Again, I don't want to express my opinion on the Lightning as fact, but I think Pittsburgh is playing so good and they aren't allowing the Lightning to play the way they want, IMO.
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I love Hagelin. Always have.
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I love Hagelin. Always have.
I miss him on the Rangers so much. It sucks that they couldn't afford to keep him because he wanted to stay in New York and as the team found out this year, he was a tremendous part of their success. Losing his speed and instinct was a bigger blow to the team than anyone could have imagined. Truly an underrated player.
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Granted, I haven't watched many Lightning games this year, but aside from the 2nd period of game 1, this is as good as I have ever seen this Penguin team play. Their structure, team speed, and forecheck are giving the Lightning fits, especially the line of Kessel, Hagelin, and Bonino. Again, I don't want to express my opinion on the Lightning as fact, but I think Pittsburgh is playing so good and they aren't allowing the Lightning to play the way they want, IMO.
Ah yea, the HBK line baby!!
GREAT game by the Pens, scoring from the guys you need scoring from and great team defense.
I love Hagelin. Always have.
I miss him on the Rangers so much. It sucks that they couldn't afford to keep him because he wanted to stay in New York and as the team found out this year, he was a tremendous part of their success. Losing his speed and instinct was a bigger blow to the team than anyone could have imagined. Truly an underrated player.
Hags has been unreal for the Pens since coming here, can't say a bad thing about his play. The addition of him and Daley put this team over the top.
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Embarrassing play by the Blues again tonight. The Sharks appear to be the better team anyway, but the lack of fire and energy from the Blues is very disappointing.
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Embarrassing play by the Blues again tonight. The Sharks appear to be the better team anyway, but the lack of fire and energy from the Blues is very disappointing.
It's easy to look better when the other team is playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Not to diminish San Jose's play thus far.....they are firing on all cylinders, but it's infuriating to watch the Blues not play how they played against Chicago and Dallas. Handing a good team easy victories sucks.
The Elliot train has been over for some time. He's had saves that kept the score admirable but there have been 5 goals scored by San Jose the past two games that should have been stopped.
Hitchcocks and idiot for playing Paarjvi in lieu of Reaves. Not only can Reaves hit and change the energy of a game in one shift, he's just as capable of scoring as Paarjvi is. And this will make the Blues 0-5 in the playiffs with Bortuzzo in the lineup. Why is he playing?
They still have a chance to split....but unless they decide to wear thier big boy pants and take the fucking tampon out of thier asses it won't matter.
Jake Allen better start the next game. Any 'magic' that Elliot had is gone and He's streaky.....he's not in the zone any longer.
Fucking Blues.
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Joner
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That's two dominant performances in a row by the Sharks and if Elliot didn't stand on his head in game one, San Jose would be up 3-0 right now. The Blues have had a great season, but if they don't find a spark, this series will be over in five games.
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Yep the Sharks are by far the better team right now. Elliott has done well to keep these games even within 3-4 goals - game 2 should've been a 6-0 blowout and this last one could've been similar. The Sharks are way faster and more tenacious on the puck than either the Blackhawks or Stars have been by far.
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Yeah the Sharks have been the better team thus far, but StL went to San Jose only needing to split, and they can still do that. Momentum is a curious thing. Not trying to take away from San Jose but the Blues have had stretches like this where they looked tired and lethargic. San Jose hasn't come close to tasting the Blues best....which IMO is better than any other teams best.
Saturday is a must win game, period. If we win it it's a tied series and how "great" San Jose has played really doesn't matter. If the Blues lose in a similar manner with lack of effort then I dont see them coming back from a 3-1 deficit, especially given their play.
The Blues have answered the call in every instance they needed to in the playoffs to this point, and I expect them to again. I still see this series going 7
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Big game in Florida tonight, if the Pens can come out strong and pick up where they left off in the second half of game 3, they could really start to tip the series in their favor.
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Given the Sharks playoff history, I wouldn't panic Blues fans. I hope this year will be different, but I've seen them get this far before and blow it.
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Given the Sharks playoff history, I wouldn't panic Blues fans. I hope this year will be different, but I've seen them get this far before and blow it.
If the Blues can split and make it a 2-2 series I have zero worries. Like I said, the Blues have yet to play well. "Some" is attributed to San Jose playing good right now but being that I've watched this team all year and have seen them do this no matter who they're playing.....it's more about them kicking it into gear. There's not a team out there that can handle the Blues 'A' game.
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I think most fans would say that about their teams, just saying.
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After watching TBay eliminate the Red Wings two years in a row, and make the finals last year, I simply noted how their speed was a big advantage. Pittsburgh's speed was the difference against the Caps. I thought that aspect would be equal in this series. Mildly surprised that the Penguins have kicked it up yet another notch.
Blues-Sharks....can't judge because the games end too late. I'm still expecting St. Louis to advance.
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After watching TBay eliminate the Red Wings two years in a row, and make the finals last year, I simply noted how their speed was a big advantage. Pittsburgh's speed was the difference against the Caps. I thought that aspect would be equal in this series. Mildly surprised that the Penguins have kicked it up yet another notch.
Honestly, as someone who has watched almost every Pens game this year. This team is simply hitting their stride at the right time. When the coaching change was made mid-season and some of the trades took effect, Pens fans began to see the improvement. The fast skilled team had gotten faster and more skilled. But most importantly, their new coach added a level of accountability that didn't seem to be present before.
What you are seeing now is a continuation of a fabulous end to the regular season as this team continues to improve.
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I think most fans would say that about their teams, just saying.
Of course. And it still rings true here. I mentioned a few pages back that I could handle the Blues being eliminated if they didn't give games away. Well, they've given two games away by not having their best effort. San Jose's play has some part in that but they aren't playing so great where that's the only reason. They aren't the cause of the lack of jump in the Blues step or lack of hitting or any of the things the Blues do well. They look tired and it looks like they're paying the price for not eliminating Chicago and Dallas earlier when they had the chance.
Like I said, I won't begin to fire up rage mode unless they lose that game tomorrow night. I don't expect them to, and they will have accomplished all they needed to do and that is a split, change the momentum and make it a three game series in which I like our chances.
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There is a huge difference between a team not playing a good game and a team not being able to play a good game because they are being stifled by the other team's game/system. I can't speak for the Blues/Sharks series because I've only watched one period of it, but IMO the Penguins aren't giving the Lightning a chance to play the game that makes them successful because they both play a similar game, just the Pens are playing it MUCH better, which gives the impression that the Lightning "haven't played their best game."
I'm sure the Sharks are doing the same thing to the Blues.
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I'm sure the Sharks are doing the same thing to the Blues.
The Sharks look good but the way they are playing isn't the only reason the Blues are out of sorts. Like I said, I watched the Blues look this bad playing Edmonton right before the regular season ended. The Sharks clicking right now isn't making it easier, but the Blues players aren't executing either.....and that's not all due to the Sharks.
The better team wins the Best of 7 series....that's why it's the greatest tournament going. It's frustrating to watch the Blues struggle but this series is 2-1 San Jose right now, it's not over by a long shot. They've played good....but all it takes is the Blues to show up and play their game for 60 minutes and this series is tied and then it's a whole new ballgame. I expect the Blues to pull their heads out of their a$$es and play a full 60 minutes tomorrow night and even this series up.
To listen to the NBC douche bags they've all but handed this series to San Jose for playing three solid games....wasn't aware that won you the series. If the Sharks whip the Blues again tomorrow night and then find it in them not to choke again and finish them off....then good for Dark Castle and dparrot, seriously. I'd hope they'd go on to win it. But this ain't over yet....
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Ben Bishop is still ruled out. I don't think Vasilevskiy will able to handle the Pens if our defense doesnt support him.
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Given the Sharks playoff history, I wouldn't panic Blues fans.
Honestly, I do not put a lot of stock into that. I mean, how many current Sharks were on the team when they lost in previous CF's?
My theory on Blues/Sharks is that the Sharks stifling defense has zapped the energy out of the Blues. It's like when a great offense in football runs into a D that can shut them down, which mentally gets to them, and all of a sudden, they look out of sorts and have trouble even making 1st downs sometimes. That is what the Blues look like right now. Simple passes are missing the mark and they cannot create good scoring chances on any kind of regular basis. Hitchcock and his coaching staff need to be spending every waking moment right now watching tape and figuring out ways to crack their D, otherwise this will be over in 5.
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Elliot is out for game 4; Jake Allen will get the start.
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I hope he can score some goals, otherwise I don't know what the fuck that will accomplish.
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Bolts defense has stepped up, and playing better in front of Vasi. Great quick goal in the beginning of the game by Callahan, and now we're up 4-0!
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I hope he can score some goals, otherwise I don't know what the fuck that will accomplish.
Probably trying to light a fire under the team's ass. Elliot has let in some soft goals the last two games, but you can't win if you don't score.
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Now we got a game... and a PP coming up.
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I hope he can score some goals, otherwise I don't know what the fuck that will accomplish.
Probably trying to light a fire under the team's ass. Elliot has let in some soft goals the last two games, but you can't win if you don't score.
Yeah. This is purely a challenge to the team. Allen is more than capable so it's not a gamble putting him in, and this is what Hitchcock has done when the Blues had these spurts of lethargic games in the past. I like the move.
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Buckle the fuck up!!!
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I've been saying a lot of these words the past 20 minutes
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What a furious finish. Bolts were fortunate to hang on.
Now we got a series.
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What a furious finish. Bolts were fortunate to hang on.
Now we got a series.
I don't think I ever been so mad at Tampa Bay winning before. I can't believe we blew a big lead like that. A win is a win, and the series is now tied, and that's the ONLY thing i'm even remotely pleased about.
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Honestly, I do not put a lot of stock into that. I mean, how many current Sharks were on the team when they lost in previous CF's?
That doesn't matter, man! You can say that about them losing in the playoffs this decade vs. the last. It's their team history. :lol
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Honestly, I do not put a lot of stock into that. I mean, how many current Sharks were on the team when they lost in previous CF's?
That doesn't matter, man! You can say that about them losing in the playoffs this decade vs. the last. It's their team history. :lol
This San Jose teams feels different than the ones from the past though. They're playing with a lot more confidence and don't seem intimidated by the pressure. Once they beat the Kings (their biggest rival and playoff nemesis) in five games, they shook off the choking stigma and I can truly see this team winning it all if they get past the Blues. Of course, St. Louis also rid themselves of the choking stigma when eliminating THEIR biggest rival in the first round, but right now, they're not playing their best game. It may be because they're tired from two hard fought full seven game series but they need to step it up if they want to have any chance of getting past the Sharks.
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You were saying??? WTF SHARKS??? So much for this game.
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Was counting on a slew of BS penalty calls on the Blues in the third. Tarasenko gets ran from behind and no call them the same play twenty seconds later is called on the Blues.
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Yeah the Sharks have been the better team thus far, but StL went to San Jose only needing to split, and they can still do that. Momentum is a curious thing. Not trying to take away from San Jose but the Blues have had stretches like this where they looked tired and lethargic. San Jose hasn't come close to tasting the Blues best....which IMO is better than any other teams best.
Saturday is a must win game, period. If we win it it's a tied series and how "great" San Jose has played really doesn't matter. If the Blues lose in a similar manner with lack of effort then I dont see them coming back from a 3-1 deficit, especially given their play.
The Blues have answered the call in every instance they needed to in the playoffs to this point, and I expect them to again. I still see this series going 7
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You were saying??? WTF SHARKS??? So much for this game.
Tonight had nothing to do with the Sharks choking, but everything to do with the Blues bringing their 'A' game. They are hard for anyone to beat when they play like did in the first two periods.
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Not really worried, Sharks showed up in the 3rd, and most importantly didn't get shut out. Jones doesn't let one bad night get to him either, expect him to make many pants pop with joners on Monday
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Not really worried
That makes two of us. I highly doubt San Jose gets anything less than the effort the Blues gave last night and I'll take our chances against anyone in that case. sure there's the potential that San Jose can win the series....but I think they had their chance to bury the Blues and missed it. If they're gonna win this series I don't think it's gonna be the cake walk that a lot of folks were saying it'd be two days ago.
Sharks showed up in the 3rd, and most importantly didn't get shut out.
That game was over by the third period buzzer. Had Hitchcock not wasted his Time Out on an icing call he'd have challenged that Tierney goal and won because it was a very evident goalie interference when skating through the crease by Wingles. And, our defensmen put in a goal as well so it's not like it was some massive comeback effort. We handled the 'push' with ease and once the Blues shut down the PP again around the 8 minute mark that zapped the come back. Other than the 2 goals San Jose got on the PP when we had guys with broken sticks on both....we've handled that PP unit superbly.
I'm more interested int he fact that there's not a mention of the cheap shots by golden boys Burns and Thornton after the whistle. Burns literally punches Tarasenko in the gut while Tarasenko is face down with another San Jose player on top of him and Thorton throws a haymaker and smokes Petrangelo from behind for no reason other than being a dick.
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Burns (there is no defense of this...at all)
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/status/734214259991662593/photo/1
Thornton (this happens a lot but c'mon....Thornton gets all sorts of praise and respect, show some as well. Especially to a Veteran like Petro or don't be shocked when you get yours)
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/status/734184782850973696/video/1
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Blues players have tugged his beard and shit. Not a great thing to do by either of them but your Blues have laid some dirty shot out the entire series. I just wish the refs would call more consistently for both teams, they're just letting too much slide
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Not really worried
That makes two of us. I highly doubt San Jose gets anything less than the effort the Blues gave last night and I'll take our chances against anyone in that case. sure there's the potential that San Jose can win the series....but I think they had their chance to bury the Blues and missed it. If they're gonna win this series I don't think it's gonna be the cake walk that a lot of folks were saying it'd be two days ago.
Sharks showed up in the 3rd, and most importantly didn't get shut out.
That game was over by the third period buzzer. Had Hitchcock not wasted his Time Out on an icing call he'd have challenged that Tierney goal and won because it was a very evident goalie interference when skating through the crease by Wingles. And, our defensmen put in a goal as well so it's not like it was some massive comeback effort. We handled the 'push' with ease and once the Blues shut down the PP again around the 8 minute mark that zapped the come back. Other than the 2 goals San Jose got on the PP when we had guys with broken sticks on both....we've handled that PP unit superbly.
I'm more interested int he fact that there's not a mention of the cheap shots by golden boys Burns and Thornton after the whistle. Burns literally punches Tarasenko in the gut while Tarasenko is face down with another San Jose player on top of him and Thorton throws a haymaker and smokes Petrangelo from behind for no reason other than being a dick.
The Sharks didn't need to bury the Blues last night. The Blues have only played two periods better than the Sharks the entire series; it's been the SJ otherwise
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And yet the series is tied.
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That's just the way the playoffs go. But I know that you know that Elliot and puck luck got the Blues the win in Game 1. Because the Sharks played like the team that won that game. But like I said, that's just the way it goes sometimes. If the Sharks can shake off a bad game in that same game, I'm not going to feel too worried about them. And you guys should feel good about two wins, even if Game 1's win was a bit of flukey luck and a goalie taking an entire team onto his back your team played great in the first two periods and held on in the third last night with some goals of their own.
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The Sharks didn't need to bury the Blues last night. The Blues have only played two periods better than the Sharks the entire series; it's been the SJ otherwise
That makes no sense. Of course they needed to bury the Blues last night. I think we're all aware of what happens when you allow a team to hang around, especially a good one. If they'd have won that game last night it'd have been near impossible for the Blues to win this series. They didn't as the Blues responded to (IMO a must win) the challenge as they have every time these playoffs and delivered a solid game. The pressure might not have been on the Sharks to win last night but I guarantee you they wanted to and tried to.
As far as how many periods the Sharks have played better than the Blues, that's all out the window and really isn't relevant to anyone but the fans and pundits who thinks that is important. It's a 2-2 series where one of the teams has to win 2 of three. I'm sure we both like our teams chances at doing just that.....I know I do.
I just wish the refs would call more consistently for both teams, they're just letting too much slide
Couldn't agree more. There's been some shots from both sides that were't called that should have been. I don't mind the refs not calling every little thing but it has to be consistent....and it hasn't been.
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Burns should absolutely be suspended - if that isn't a clear attempt to injury someone, I don't know what it is - but don't expect the league to do the right thing; they rarely do.
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That's just the way the playoffs go. But I know that you know that Elliot and puck luck got the Blues the win in Game 1. Because the Sharks played like the team that won that game. But like I said, that's just the way it goes sometimes. If the Sharks can shake off a bad game in that same game, I'm not going to feel too worried about them. And you guys should feel good about two wins, even if Game 1's win was a bit of flukey luck and a goalie taking an entire team onto his back your team played great in the first two periods and held on in the third last night with some goals of their own.
Flukey luck? How? Because Elliot played great? Goalies steal games in the playoffs....yours has. At the end of the day it's the final score that counts....not zone time, shots on goal, whatever. I feel your pain because the Blues have done that countless times....heck, game 2 against Chicago was a prime example. We manhandled them the entire game and were rewarded with a Loss. Like you said, it happens.
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Rare moment from Burns, they were both on the ground, no way Burns could put his weight into that, and it was gloved. Dirty hit no argument here, that was a naughty wookie right there, but I doubt Tarasenko will have any lasting injury or anything for that matter from that.
EDIT: I should have just stayed out of this thread like I'd been doing, you guys can't take off your homer glasses ever it seems like.
P.S. Gmiller, if a team is noticeably playing better than the other team, I'm sure they're going to recognize that, and it will play into their confidence levels. Just saying.
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Burns should absolutely be suspended - if that isn't a clear attempt to injury someone, I don't know what it is - but don't expect the league to do the right thing; they rarely do.
There is no disputing how cheap and dirty that was. A full on punch right to the mid section where there is no padding and Tarasenko was completely vulnerable and unsuspecting. There is no possible way anyone can look at that dirty a$$ play and defend what he did.
Imagine if that were Crosby with one opposing player laying on top of him and another one gut punched him like that? :lol There'd have been a game misconduct handed out and that dude be suspended the remainder of the playoffs.
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We can't take our homer glasses off?? Aren't you the guy who got suspended for calling a mod a name because you were being a homer and got bent out of shape about that disallowed goal in OT in G4 against the Predators? :lol :lol
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you guys can't take off your homer glasses ever it seems like.
:coolio
I can't see how the Burns and Thornton cheap shots are homer related? And please point out to me anywhere in this banter where what I've said is homery?
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At this point I don't give a rat's arse about Nick, and will gladly take a week off from here to give him a piece of my mind. :hat
You just view things in the Bluest tint ever, kinda like I do with the Bills in football :lol:
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P.S. Gmiller, if a team is noticeably playing better than the other team, I'm sure they're going to recognize that, and it will play into their confidence levels. Just saying.
The series easily could have been 3-0 Sharks heading back to San Jose. It wasn't, which for as bad as the Blues were playing (and as good as San Jose was) still only called for the Blues to split there to make it 2-2 and essentially eliminate any type of momentum the Sharks generated in the opening three games. They did.
It's a best of three, which is neat because now it appears that the Blues have pulled their heads out of their a$$es and are ready to play. San Jose missed the chance to bury them....now it's a battle to reach two wins. I think the next three hockey games are going to be less one sided (either team) and more nail biting.
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My head hurts whenever I come into this thread.
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My head hurts whenever I come into this thread.
Probably got cheap shotted by Thornton :biggrin:
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Bottom line is that the Blues and Sharks are both capable of playing like the best team in the league. The margin of error for either team is very small - take a game/period/shift off, and the other team can and will bury you. This is a great series, and I'd be shocked if it didn't go 7 games.
And I love seeing ALL the homers in this thread, cuz Dylan... you're just as guilty sometimes. It just shows passion. I love it.
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Playoff OT!!
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Now that was a playoff overtime goal. Shoot and have it hit a player in front and go in. :lol
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Unbelievable!! Let's go Bolts!!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
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wow! ... whew
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Bummer. Seems like all the bounces (and injuries*) have been going TB's way the last two games. Hopefully the Pens go back to Murray for game 6 b
*i know Stamkos is hurt, but I think the Daley injury hurts the Pens a lot more than losing Stamkos hurts the Bolts. Of the superstars in the league I've long considered Stamkos the most overrated (that's not to say he's not a great player, but I definitely wouldn't be throwing $10 million a year for 7 years like he's going to get).
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It is interesting how Daley has improved with the Pens compared to the defensive disaster he was with the Stars.
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Let's be clear. Tampa Bay's superstar is hurt, but he isn't Stamkos. Our star is Ben Bishop.
And I do somewhat agree with you, considering how poorly Stamkos played last year's playoff/Stanley Cup. However, his leadership on the team is unprecedented.
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Let's be clear. Tampa Bay's superstar is hurt, but he isn't Stamkos. Our star is Ben Bishop.
And I do somewhat agree with you, considering how poorly Stamkos played last year's playoff/Stanley Cup. However, his leadership on the team is unprecedented.
But considering the way Vasi has played I don't think TB fans need to complain. :lol my original comment is more to acknowledge players like Kucherov, Johnson, Killorn, etc. that are playing phenomenal, and that this all but spells the end of Stamkos' time in Florida.
If TB goes on to win this series it will be on the play of Kucherov and Vasi, and the inability of Crosby and Malkin to do what they should be doing.
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Who do the Pens start in Game 6? Fluery came in and I honestly thought he was going to shut it down last night... He did not. He let in several bad goals, I don't know if you go back to Murray now though, it seems a bit reactionary... Tough call.
Pens have played poorly the last two games and full credit to TB for being very opportunistic and making some great adjustments.
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It's very rare that a team gets this far in the playoffs without a clear #1 goaltender. I realize in TB it's a situation of the first string being hurt, and Vas had filled in admirably. It puts the coach in a very tough spot trying to balance the usual stresses of adjustments and pressure within the playoffs with the constant decision-making that is often not necessary at this point. The Red Wings haven't been able to ride more than one goalie through the playoffs since Osgood stole the starting position back from Hasek halfway through the first round in 2008, as a case in point. It'll be interesting to see if the switch from Elliot in the West becomes a permanent one over there. As for the Pens, I don't know how I would approach that situation. Do you go with the guy who got you to this point or the seasoned veteran who has been here before?
Tough call.
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Hitchcock will probably ride Allen until he loses. Personally, win or lose I'd go back to Elliot for games 6 and if needed 7. When he's done this with these two all season when the one who's been sitting gets back in they play lights out.
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It's tough for the Pens because I think Fleury is the better goalie, but Murray was hot. They pulled Murray, Fleury has had one bad game. So do you pull him and switch again or stick with your decision to put him in there? It's tough I honestly don't know what I would do if I was the coach.
The frustrating thing is that if the Pens keep playing like this, it won't matter who is in net for game 6, they'll probably get beat either way.
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The other thing they have to take into account is the confidence of the rest of the team in who is in net. I was surprised to see Fleury in net after 1 bad game by Murray. Typically, the coach puts his starter back in after a rough night, to get his focus back and give him a chance to rebound. To not give the guy a second chance tells the rest of the team the coach doesn't have confidence in his ability to bounce back. Now, if he replaces Fleury, he faces the thought that he doesn't even have faith in his veteran. That trickles down, and sends mixed signals to his team.
Like I said, very tough call.
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Yup very tough call. There are pros and cons either way. I'm surprised Fleury got the start last night.
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Please......I don't want a San Jose-Tampa Bay finals. I respect the franchises, but........
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I don't think Murray played bad in game 4. All 4 goals he either had no chance or it was a fluke goal (deflection or Drouin's goal which was like a pinball play). That being said, he hasn't been as good this series as he was versus Washington. I'd go back to the goalie that has has good games this playoffs.
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There has to be some consistency. Once the coach starts flip-flopping, the rest of the team will lose some confidence. Whatever decision they make, they need to stick with it.
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Right on. My initial response was get Fleury out of there... But there has to be some consistency. They can't change goalies every other game.
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Please......I don't want a San Jose-Tampa Bay finals. I respect the franchises, but........
Why not? Battle of the Bays!
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Because most of us despise the west/southern franchises.
I want Pitt-StL !!!!
(wish Green Bay had a franchise)
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I want either a San Jose-Tampa Bay finals or a St. Louis-Tampa Bay finals (I truly despise Pittsburgh).
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I want either Tampa Bay OR St. Louis to win. I mean I want them both to win, but I won't get greedy, all I want is one team to root for in the finals. A Sharks/Penguins matchup would make me grudgingly root for the Sharks.
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Sharks tie it after a bull shit penalty. Ugh.
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I'd say Brouwer's was a bit more impressive, but nice work by both teams whacking the puck out of the air and into the back of the net.
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Sharks tie it after a bull shit penalty. Ugh.
You should have heard Kelly Chase and Kerber on that. :lol needless to say they weren't find if the call.
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It was crap, but the Blues need to take a page from the Sharks book and be more aggressive on the PK. When we are on the PP, it's hard to get set up because SJ aggressively challenges whichever Blue has the puck, forcing quick passes and mistakes. Meanwhile, the Blues sit back and wait when the Sharks get it set up.
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It was crap, but the Blues need to take a page from the Sharks book and be more aggressive on the PK. When we are on the PP, it's hard to get set up because SJ aggressively challenges whichever Blue has the puck, forcing quick passes and mistakes. Meanwhile, the Blues sit back and wait when the Sharks get it set up.
Very true. It's a good technique against less aggressive PP but not against the Sharks unit.
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Tied after 2. Don't blow it Sharks!!!
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Got tickets to the Lightening game tomorrow, center ice second row, can't wait.
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That Pavelski deflection was frighteningly good. Fully extended and perfectly redirected.
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Getting a tad annoyed the Hawks style pic San Jose runs entering the zone hasn't been called. That last entry was the most blatant one yet.
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Wow. WTF.
Blues, I mean, my god. Puck is in your zone, you outnumber the opponent and you just stand there? Not a terrible game overall, but that empty net goal was just pure laziness on the Blues part.
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Yep, they got outworked like crazy the last few minutes. They definitely got hosed on some calls (or non-calls), but the Sharks simply outworked them at the end of the game.
Oh, and the crowd sucked. They were deathly silent for most of the 3rd period.
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Wow. WTF.
Blues, I mean, my god. Puck is in your zone, you outnumber the opponent and you just stand there? Not a terrible game overall, but that empty net goal was just pure laziness on the Blues part.
Particularly Pietrangelo who just stood there with the puck and let Marleau steal it from him right from behind. He should be the one apologizing in the locker room for giving that up.
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Fuck hockey
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Wow. WTF.
Blues, I mean, my god. Puck is in your zone, you outnumber the opponent and you just stand there? Not a terrible game overall, but that empty net goal was just pure laziness on the Blues part.
Particularly Pietrangelo who just stood there with the puck and let Marleau steal it from him right from behind. He should be the one apologizing in the locker room for giving that up.
Pietrangelo has been awesome for almost all of the entire playoffs; he need to apologize to no one, although being the leader that he is, I could see him doing it.
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Fuck hockey
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Whether you like it or whether you don't.....wooooooo! :metal
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Whether you like it or whether you don't.....wooooooo! :metal
Yeah. I only say it because it sucked to see the Blues hit three posts in the third period, watch a high stick to the face right in front of a ref not get called with six minutes to go in the game....and a tipped puck that literally only had the smallest of options to go in....go in. Oh well. But it sucked to see.
I still think this is going seven games though.
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I've been a Sharks fan for 25 years and I think they're finally going to make it to the finals! A San Jose vs. Tampa Bay finale would interesting.
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Whether you like it or whether you don't.....wooooooo! :metal
Yeah. I only say it because it sucked to see the Blues hit three posts in the third period, watch a high stick to the face right in front of a ref not get called with six minutes to go in the game....and a tipped puck that literally only had the smallest of options to go in....go in. Oh well. But it sucked to see.
Yep, the hockey gods, and the officials, were on the Sharks side last night. Yeah, we got hosed by some awful calls (or non-calls), but given how outworked the Blues were in the last few minutes, I couldn't help but put the blame sorely on them for losing. They were in position to overcome the calls and the bad luck, and they didn't.
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Yep, the hockey gods, and the officials, were on the Sharks side last night. Yeah, we got hosed by some awful calls (or non-calls), but given how outworked the Blues were in the last few minutes, I couldn't help but put the blame sorely on them for losing. They were in position to overcome the calls and the bad luck, and they didn't.
As much as it sucked not to get the two very blatant missed calls and a couple bounces, you're right. There really was no excuse for the way they played the last seven minutes of the game.....as if there were a whole other period to play?
I've been a Sharks fan for 25 years and I think they're finally going to make it to the finals! A San Jose vs. Tampa Bay finale would interesting.
:omg: hope you're not superstitious :lol cuz, that's a jinx if I've ever seen one.......
Every instance in these playoffs where the Blues HAD to win, they have. And I'm banking on them doing it again two more times.
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In other news I've developed a rapidly growing hatred of Pete DeBoer during this series. What a smarmy, whiny prick. And he looks like a turtle the way his mouth is constantly opening and closing by a little bit at a time.
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In other news I've developed a rapidly growing hatred of Pete DeBoer during this series. What a smarmy, whiny prick. And he looks like a turtle the way his mouth is constantly opening and closing by a little bit at a time.
Mine is for every NBC commentator as they've been noticeably biased towards whoever the Blues have played.
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I used to like Joe Micheletti, but if I have to hear one more time that Joe Thornton is as good a passer as Gretzky was, I'm going to hurl.
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I used to like Joe Micheletti, but if I have to hear one more time that Joe Thornton is as good a passer as Gretzky was, I'm going to hurl.
What about Pavalski being the greatest shot tipper in the history of the world. Listen, the guy clearly has fantastic hand eye coordination and thanks to Micheletti telling us every other minute during the game we know that he does nothing but practice for 20 hours a day at tipping pucks.....but jeez.....calm the :censored down dude. He's not the only player who can deflect a puck well.
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Yep, that was pretty over the top. And then he ripped Tarasenko, while saying nothing about the possibility that he was struggling cause he likely has cracked ribs because of that cheap shot he took in G5. I hadn't noticed any slanted announcing in this series until last night. Given that Micheletti used to work here, it's bizarre.
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And then he ripped Tarasenko, while saying nothing about the possibility that he was struggling cause he likely has cracked ribs
I fully expect in the post mortem of the playoffs to learn that Tarasenko is hurt. The amount of slashes that he took from Chicago and Dallas on his wrists were criminal. I think he's out there ala Terrell Davis as a decoy....but problem is by now San Jose knows he's hurt and unable to perform so they really don't need to pay too much attention to him. There's no way a guy with his pedigree and playoff scoring history goes from productive to nothing. If San Jose were doing something drastic towards him I'd say maybe but he's had chances and hasn't been able to give even a decent effort.
There is always the chance the Russian KGB is holding his grandfather hostage, has bet $50 million on San Jose.....and has demanded him not to perform.
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Pens are going with Murray in net for Game 6.
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I fully expect in the post mortem of the playoffs to learn that Tarasenko is hurt. The amount of slashes that he took from Chicago and Dallas on his wrists were criminal. I think he's out there ala Terrell Davis as a decoy....but problem is by now San Jose knows he's hurt and unable to perform so they really don't need to pay too much attention to him. There's no way a guy with his pedigree and playoff scoring history goes from productive to nothing. If San Jose were doing something drastic towards him I'd say maybe but he's had chances and hasn't been able to give even a decent effort.
Agreed. Cracked ribs for a sniper like Tarasenko are crippling. His shots have far less zip now and he looks hesitant whenever any contact is coming. Had it happened on a legit hit, it would have sucked, but I could have dealt with that, but knowing that he likely got hurt on a blatant cheap shot after the whistle, one both the officials and the league overlooked, is sickening. :censored
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Elliot is starting Game 6.
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That's the only defensible decision.
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Elliot is starting Game 6.
I mentioned before yesterdays game win or lose that Elliot should and would be back in goal. He had started a ton of games in a row leading into the playoffs and 17 straight in the playoffs. He got a break both mentally and physically and when these two goalies tag teamed in the regular season the past two years....typically when one steps back in goal they've been nails. I expect Elliot and the Blues to have a fantastic game tomorrow....I think that if the Sharks want that 4th and clinching victory they are going to have to really earn it.
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In the past few years when the Blues lost a pivotal game 5 at home when the series was tied 2-2, them losing game 6 on the road to get ousted was a foregone conclusion; this year it's not. They might not win tomorrow, but this team is much tougher mentally than the ones from previous seasons, and if they go down tomorrow, I am fully confident that they will go down swinging.
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In the past few years when the Blues lost a pivotal game 5 at home when the series was tied 2-2, them losing game 6 on the road to get ousted was a foregone conclusion; this year it's not. They might not win tomorrow, but this team is much tougher mentally than the ones from previous seasons, and if they go down tomorrow, I am fully confident that they will go down swinging.
That's really all I ask. No game 2 and 3 efforts please. Play tough and make San Jose earn the trip to the Cup if they indeed are the team that's going.
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Big win for Pittsburgh. Crosby was a beast all night, and Murray just ensured Fleury is on the trade block this off season. Can't wait until Thursday.
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We simply got outplayed. Too many missed opportunities. Well done, Pens. Game 7 are the best games in any sport!
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My view of game six tonight's when the Lightning disappointed me
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Those are great seats, and even better seats had they won and clinched a spot in the Stanley Cup!
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Bring on game 7 baby! Great win by the Pens last night!!
Much improved effort defensively by the whole team. Also when your stars score it gives you a great chance to win. Good stuff all around.
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My view of game six tonight's when the Lightning disappointed me
That's a fairly epic seat. I went to Devils vs Rangers in the EC Finals a few years ago and it was easily the best live sporting event I've ever been to. It did help that the Devils won handily :lol
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Outplayed, outworked, outcoached, etc. The Blues look like they are ready for the season to be over. :censored >:(
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Outplayed, outworked, outcoached, etc. The Blues look like they are ready for the season to be over. :censored >:(
Yet it's only 1-0. All it takes is one to tie.
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The Blues are sure venting their frustration with a stick to the face! Punk ass.
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The Blues are sure venting their frustration with a stick to the face! Punk ass.
The Sharks still have the lead in cheap shots this series, so simmer down there, sparky.
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The Blues are sure venting their frustration with a stick to the face! Punk ass.
The Sharks still have the lead in cheap shots this series, so simmer down there, sparky.
I just considered it karma for the late hit on Fabbri two games ago. All he did was try to lift the stick and missed. Im surprised it was called being they let it go last game when it happened to Parayko.
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The Sharks are SUCH a better team than the Blues right now. Blues were fortunate to even get 2 this series. Blues are slow, indecisive, and haven't switched up the plays much even though SJ has obviously studied the shit out of them. Congrats to the Sharks.
That being said fuck the Sharks: Joe Thornton with his subtle cheap shot habits (to Perron and Oshie in years past); Marleau for having stupid fucking eyebrows; Pete deBoeur for being a whiny bitch (and fuck the Blues for taking soooo many bad penalties); for toeing the line between diving to draw every penalty they did so as to increase the PP opportunities; for having a goalie who 6 games into this series I STILL haven't heard of; for fleecing the Wild in the Burns trade (seriously lol Wild); Logan Coture's teeth; and the fucking iSketch sound effects they make when announcing the goal scorers.
OK that felt pretty good and Tarasenko has scored twice since I've been typing it. I could make an even longer post about the Blues and especially the defenseman.
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Congrats to the Sharks! This should be a great final series!
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I think, other than when goals were scored, the 3rd period tonight was the first time the whole series I heard the San Jose crowd get loud. I guess it's easy to get loud when you have in the bank. :lol
That aside, the Blues put up a major fight at the end, instead of rolling over after it got to 4-0, so that was nice to see at least. Disappointing end to the season, but still a helluva postseason run. It was a mostly fun ride. :coolio :hat
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Way to go Sharks! My second team after the Caps I wanted to take home the cup. I've always really liked them and Thornton is one of my favourite players. Marleau needs this too. Hopefully they kick ass in the finals.
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Well....that sucked.
First off...that has to be a great feeling there Dylan and dparrott....It's increasingly obvious I'll never experience it. Congrats on your team heading to the Cup, so exciting! They definitely whipped the Blues in many aspects. Good Luck. I do apologize for anything that I've said (or will say)....heat of the battle and all that....
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Yep, congrats to the Sharks and their fans.
I'll be rooting against them in the finals, however. :biggrin:
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As far as the rest....first off...this:
That being said fuck the Sharks: Joe Thornton with his subtle cheap shot habits (to Perron and Oshie in years past); Marleau for having stupid fucking eyebrows; Pete deBoeur for being a whiny bitch (and fuck the Blues for taking soooo many bad penalties); for toeing the line between diving to draw every penalty they did so as to increase the PP opportunities; for having a goalie who 6 games into this series I STILL haven't heard of; for fleecing the Wild in the Burns trade (seriously lol Wild); Logan Coture's teeth; and the fucking iSketch sound effects they make when announcing the goal scorers.
and....if Hitchcock isn't fired by the time he leaves the building then something is wrong. He was drastically out coached in this series. I mean, you can't figure out what San Jose is doing to stifle your leading scorer....or figure out how to stifle that Pavalski/Thornton line? Gimme a break...what the :censored are they paying you for.
Jay Boumeister is useless and I don't care if he has a year left with a massive salary I'd pay him not to play any longer....who cares how many minutes he eats up if the minutes he's playing he F'n Sucks!!
Bye Bye Shattenkirk. Rick Nash has said he's interested in a trade and Shattenkirk is a NY boy so get it done Stillman. Paryako proved we don't need Shattenkirk's bad penalty taking, constantly outworked ass any longer.
Lay the F off of Tarasenko. We don't beat Chicago or Dallas without him and I'll bet $10 by the end of the week we learn there's some bone broke on his body. There has to be. Dude took more Slashes than a GnR groupie.
There was a team in this series that played to win it and a team in this series that played trying not to lose it. And year after year under Hitchcock the Blues approach these series trying to make sure they don't lose them rather than going out to F'n win them. That's what San Jose just did. They went out an Fucking won the series.
Now it'll be nothing but reading and hearing in the StL market about how this was still "a good year" and look at what they accomplished. Which was nothing. Nothing was accomplished. They lost. You play to win the fucking Cup...not make ti out of the first round or whatever BS I'm going to have to listen to...the F'n cliches' that are about to hit the fan.
The only positive thing that came out of tonight is that I won't have to hear another Fucking word come out of any of those atrocious announcers that NBC has. Wholy Sh%t....I mean disguise your favoritism a tad would you? Please. Series after series they churned the butter of the Blues opponent....it was near comical by the end.
The only person in St. Louis happy tonight is my wife....because now I have to resume "normal" parenting duty.
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Well fuck me, they finally did it. Wonder if they sacrificed the Warriors to finally end the choking curse :neverusethis:
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I was really pulling for St. Louis in this series but I'm still happy for San Jose… if Tampa loses tonight then I'll definitely be going for San Jose.
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They're not going to fire Hitchcock. He got them farther than any other coach in recent memory. They'll be going thru enough turnover with Backes and Brouwer maybe not turning, they'll probably want to keep consistency at coach.
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They're not going to fire Hitchcock. He got them farther than any other coach in recent memory. They'll be going thru enough turnover with Backes and Brouwer maybe not turning, they'll probably want to keep consistency at coach.
This would be horrible. Especially due to the rift between he and Tarasenko. Hitchcocks vision or whatever doesn't work. There's no way you should not have your team ready to play, and they weren't ready to play in games 2,3 and 6.
he needs to go.
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I don't think he's going to go. He was brought back on a one year, show-me-what-you-got deal, and he showed he can get them over the hump. It's up to the players to perform, the coach cannot shout at Tarasenko to the point that he starts scoring. I predict they'll re-sign Hitch on a 2- or 3-year deal.
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I don't think he's going to go. He was brought back on a one year, show-me-what-you-got deal, and he showed he can get them over the hump. It's up to the players to perform, the coach cannot shout at Tarasenko to the point that he starts scoring. I predict they'll re-sign Hitch on a 2- or 3-year deal.
Getting over the hump counts for nothing IMO. There should have never been a hump. His approach doesn't work. Time for a fresh new coach, I'm thinking Kirk Muller the assistant. He'd know enough of what works and bring a different take.
Re-signing Hitch is essentially putting us in this same spot a year from now. Close but no cigar.
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You're looking at it from the point of a view of a fan who is in the heat of losing in the playoffs. You feel pissed off and angered at how you think the coach handled a loss. But the management is not likely going to feel that way. They will look at overall performance and see how far they got and how well they played to get there and do an assessment. I am not overly familiar with his contract, but if Hitchcock still has time on it, I would be very surprised if he is cut loose. There is a lot of talk amongst people that I've seen (take it for what it is, nothing is certain til it's official) that both Backes and Brouwer will not be with St. Louis next year. But everything is speculation.
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Hitch has been an incredibly successful coach here. We have lost early in the playoffs to some great teams, several of whom went on to win the Stanley Cup, and this year went on a deep playoff run. We are there every year. You don't throw that away just because the team slightly underperformed against a team that was superior to them.
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And of course with all my going on about it, there is never a guarantee that anyone will be anywhere in the coming offseason. Each team has to trust in its management to make the decisions that are best. That said, Hitch has been a consistently effective coach, and is probably one of the most even-tempered bench bosses I've seen. He'd be an asset almost anywhere, so my thought is the Blues will keep him.
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You're looking at it from the point of a view of a fan who is in the heat of losing in the playoffs. You feel pissed off and angered at how you think the coach handled a loss. But the management is not likely going to feel that way. They will look at overall performance and see how far they got and how well they played to get there and do an assessment. I am not overly familiar with his contract, but if Hitchcock still has time on it, I would be very surprised if he is cut loose. There is a lot of talk amongst people that I've seen (take it for what it is, nothing is certain til it's official) that both Backes and Brouwer will not be with St. Louis next year. But everything is speculation.
He had a one year deal to get the job done. Not get us past the first round, or 2 wins shy of a chance at the cup. To win the cup. He didn't. Time to move on.
Hitch has been an incredibly successful coach here. We have lost early in the playoffs to some great teams, several of whom went on to win the Stanley Cup, and this year went on a deep playoff run. We are there every year. You don't throw that away just because the team slightly underperformed against a team that was superior to them.
I don't see him as being successful. What have his teams accomplished? His inability to game plan to neutralize the line that killed the Blues this round and change up some tactics to disrupt the Sharks tactics against the Blues is what lost this round. Not the 'superior' Sharks. The Sharks and the Blues are essentially the exact same team when you get to the nuts and bolts of it. Their team wanted to win that series and worked their butts off to do so.....on all aspects not just the players. The Blues gift wrapped (2) victories for the Sharks and were without a coach that could adapt on the fly. If they re-sign Hitchcock it is a near 100% certainty that the Blues do not win the cup again next year because he does not have the ability to motivate a team to get ready to play nor combat another coaches strategies.
The Blues should try very hard to re-sign Brauer....if Backes stays he stays but his best playing days are behind him and he's one hit/shift away from never playing hockey again due to the concussions so as much as I love Backes I think it'd be unwise for the Blues to spend the $$ he's going to want on him.
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I think you're fooling yourself by thinking the Blues and Sharks are the exact same team. The Sharks have more high-end talent that impose their will on a play or on a game as a whole more than anyone on the Blues. The Blues do not have a Thornton or a Burns. This slight deficit in upper-echelon skill was what made the difference in this series as the grinding mentality of the Blues was not sufficient to get through the skill level of the Sharks. And that's not coaching either.
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I think you're fooling yourself by thinking the Blues and Sharks are the exact same team. The Sharks have more high-end talent that impose their will on a play or on a game as a whole more than anyone on the Blues. The Blues do not have a Thornton or a Burns. This slight deficit in upper-echelon skill was what made the difference in this series as the grinding mentality of the Blues was not sufficient to get through the skill level of the Sharks. And that's not coaching either.
The Blues could have beaten them in a seven game series but they played like a$$. Some of that has to with our players not performing and some of it has to do with coaching. I think Hitchcock was out coached....again. It wasn't the first time and won't be the last.
San Jose whipped the Blues in every aspect by doing the thing that the Blues do to whip opponents....but they did it better than the Blues. I don't think there's that big a gap between talent on the teams to write it all off as San Jose just has better players.
I think the Blues paid the price for not ending the two previous series early when they should have which is a typical trait of the Hitchcock Blues not having the 'killer' instinct. Instead of stepping on the throats of opponents and crushing them they'd rather beat them thumb wrestling. We need a coach that will have our team hunting for blood. Hitchcock has never been able to do that for whatever reason. We always have the team trying not to lose the game rather than seeking to destroy. The Sharks just played 5 games of seek and destroy and did just that.
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I don't think Hitch is going anywhere. The team did make progress this year, and changing coaches when you're on the verge is dangerous, since you'd have no way of knowing who you're getting. Proven coaches don't exactly grow on trees. I get the frustration, but I think a few more tweaks to the roster - shoring up on defense so we don't commit so many turnovers in our own zone is key - is the way to go. I definitely want Brouwer back. I'd be okay with say goodbye to Shattenkirk and Boumeister. Backes returning depends on how much money he wants.
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I can't believe they actually did it. I've been a fan since day one in high school, so this is amazing!
Btw, the west has won the last four cups. Westside is the best side!
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I don't think Hitch is going anywhere. The team did make progress this year, and changing coaches when you're on the verge is dangerous, since you'd have no way of knowing who you're getting. Proven coaches don't exactly grow on trees.
Hitch may resonate with veterans but he doesn't with the 'younger' players. And we have a slew of younger players that are going to carry this team now....of which Kirk Muller has been very close with the past few years. I think you give him the spot...he knows the ins and outs of the system we've been running but will obviously have a different motivational approach. I understand that Hitch is proven and has a good track record and all that but enough is enough....I don't count getting out of the first round and playing into the third round as some massive success. I see it as things that we SHOULD have done already but choked at doing.
I'd be okay with say goodbye to Shattenkirk and Boumeister.
This should be massive priorities. Moving Shattenkirk will be easy, I don't think anyone will touch Boumeister with a 10 foot pole. Eating minutes isn't enough...those minutes have to be successful and he and Shattenkirk were turn over machines in the playoffs.
Backes returning depends on how much money he wants.
It'd be nice to see him stay but I think he's gonna want 6 or 7 million a year and that won't happen here. Unless he just decides to give a home town discount given that he has all his charities established here and is so involved in the community.
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I don't think Hitch is going anywhere. The team did make progress this year, and changing coaches when you're on the verge is dangerous, since you'd have no way of knowing who you're getting. Proven coaches don't exactly grow on trees.
The Pens changed from Therrien to Bylsma after making the cup final in '08, and that resulted in a cup win for the Pens. I agree with you that Hitch is probably safe (and he's a really good coach...and he's from my hometown here in Edmonton ;D), but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a change just for change's sake.
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but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a change just for change's sake.
that's not why they need the change. They need the change because Hitch's approach doesn't work. He's had ample time to make it work. This post season was THE post season for his Blues team to win it all. After beating Chicago and Dallas.....there really was no excuse to lose to the Sharks. Not to take away from their play but the Blues were more than capable to beat them in a best of 7. The lack of killer instinct in his team cost them dearly by not putting Chicago and Dallas away on the first game we could have. That'd have given us the rest needed to battle and play at full potential.
Then, not having your team ready to play in the opening (3) games.....really? Sure they won game 1 but that was strictly due to Elliot stealing the game. Hitch's game plan sucked and him motivating his team sucked....which has been a problem before.
His time is up. Move on...thanks buddy. I don't see any issues with the talent the Blues have for them to return to the playoffs again next season. They need to find a coach that can instill a mindset in that team that they are going to destroy teams when they play them because they have the players to destroy teams...they've shown it plenty.
He was given a year contract for a reason....win it this year or else. Well...it's or else. Have your office cleaned out by Sunday. thanks.
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but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a change just for change's sake.
that's not why they need the change. They need the change because Hitch's approach doesn't work. He's had ample time to make it work. This post season was THE post season for his Blues team to win it all. After beating Chicago and Dallas.....there really was no excuse to lose to the Sharks. Not to take away from their play but the Blues were more than capable to beat them in a best of 7. The lack of killer instinct in his team cost them dearly by not putting Chicago and Dallas away on the first game we could have. That'd have given us the rest needed to battle and play at full potential.
Then, not having your team ready to play in the opening (3) games.....really? Sure they won game 1 but that was strictly due to Elliot stealing the game. Hitch's game plan sucked and him motivating his team sucked....which has been a problem before.
His time is up. Move on...thanks buddy. I don't see any issues with the talent the Blues have for them to return to the playoffs again next season. They need to find a coach that can instill a mindset in that team that they are going to destroy teams when they play them because they have the players to destroy teams...they've shown it plenty.
He was given a year contract for a reason....win it this year or else. Well...it's or else. Have your office cleaned out by Sunday. thanks.
His coaching system clearly works though. The Blues were a top western team in the regular season, and they beat 2 other top contenders to make it to the conference final. The lack of 'killer instinct' needs to come from the players. I may be wrong, but I don't think a coach can instill that in the players if they don't already have it.
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but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a change just for change's sake.
that's not why they need the change. They need the change because Hitch's approach doesn't work. He's had ample time to make it work. This post season was THE post season for his Blues team to win it all. After beating Chicago and Dallas.....there really was no excuse to lose to the Sharks. Not to take away from their play but the Blues were more than capable to beat them in a best of 7. The lack of killer instinct in his team cost them dearly by not putting Chicago and Dallas away on the first game we could have. That'd have given us the rest needed to battle and play at full potential.
Then, not having your team ready to play in the opening (3) games.....really? Sure they won game 1 but that was strictly due to Elliot stealing the game. Hitch's game plan sucked and him motivating his team sucked....which has been a problem before.
His time is up. Move on...thanks buddy. I don't see any issues with the talent the Blues have for them to return to the playoffs again next season. They need to find a coach that can instill a mindset in that team that they are going to destroy teams when they play them because they have the players to destroy teams...they've shown it plenty.
He was given a year contract for a reason....win it this year or else. Well...it's or else. Have your office cleaned out by Sunday. thanks.
His coaching system clearly works though. The Blues were a top western team in the regular season, and they beat 2 other top contenders to make it to the conference final. The lack of 'killer instinct' needs to come from the players. I may be wrong, but I don't think a coach can instill that in the players if they don't already have it.
The Kings stick out to me. Their coach has had a lot to do with their identity as a team. there needs to be changes. you can't blow up the team and start over from scratch so the next solution is a change in the coach. It happens all the time. the Blues are very talented and will continue to be so no matter who is making the calls.
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I get that Hitchcock is a top of the line coach. I get I should be 'happy' about even having a team that's pretty consistent in making the playoffs. But, Hitch's window to win is over. We have a massive amount of young talent that is going to lead the way heading forward and it's ripe for a change of pace. If he re-signs I have zero doubt that this time next season I'll be talking about the same exact thing....that we came 'so close'.....
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This hurts........ :'(
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This hurts........ :'(
As a Hawks fan, I have to laugh at that lol
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I'm sorry to the St. Louis DTF guys. This was a perfect storm (no Kings or Blackhawks) to finally exorcise their playoff demons. Of course the same can be said for the Sharks.
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Stamkos is suiting up for tonight!
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Go Pens! Wooooo!
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Congratulations Pens. It was a well fought series on both ends.
I was hoping my more experienced Tampa Bay Lightning could go all the way this year, but hopefully we will have that chance again next season. We have a lot of great talent on this Bolts team, and the future looks bright! it's rare for Tampa Bay fan to say that lol
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Go penguins! :)
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Awesome stuff last night from the Pens, finding a way to beat this Lighting team, not easy to do at all.
Beyond excited my boys are back in the finals for the first time since lifting the cup in 09.
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Awesome stuff last night from the Pens, finding a way to beat this Lighting team, not easy to do at all.
Beyond excited my boys are back in the finals for the first time since lifting the cup in 09.
WOW!! That game was close to giving me a heart attack :o. That crowd was unbelievable!! Should be a great finals as Sharks are on fire too!!
GO PENS!!!
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Pretty sure Subban could break all of Orr's scoring records and still not get selected for Team Canada. Hockey Canada is an old boys club unfortunately and if you're a risk-taking defenseman you don't make it.
Probably won't stop Canada from being a wall defensively, but how does Muzzin make the team exactly?
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Because Canada doesn't need any more offence from the blue line, they have guys like Burns and Doughty to provide the offence, and they can play in their own end at a higher caliber than Subban. Muzzin is a super steady dman who still puts up 40 points, and in a short tournament you need guys like that than you do the risk takers. It's why PK didn't make it, same with Letang, and Klingber for Sweden.
But that being said, I think a guy like Giordano would have been a better pick than Muzzin, but the latter is so underrated so it's not a bad choice.
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Burns is definitely not better defensively than Subban.
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Burns is definitely not better defensively than Subban.
Disagree.
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Meh. I love love love Burns, in fact he'd be right up there with Subban when it comes to my favourite players, but defensively I don't think he's really even close to Subban. Unfortunately PK will always be undersold in that facet because of his play style, just like Karlsson (although Karlsson isn't really great defensively, he is at least good defensively).
Doughty I can give it to though, he does outdo Subban defensively. In any case, all the mentioned defenseman deserve to be there ahead of Muzzin, and even Shea Weber for that matter. As do Mark Giordano and TJ Brodie (who is vastly, vastly underrated). To get into how I feel about Weber now, I love the guy but he only gets all the praise he does because of his physicality, which is a very overrated way to look at a defender. Going by facts, he is outshone by a lot of other defenseman.
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Okay, lets say for arguments sake PK and Burns are equals on the defensive side of the puck or PK even has a small advantage (which, like Nick, I think Burns is superior), then would you rather have Burns QB'ing your powerplay, or PK? Burns' offensive numbers this year were ridiculous (let's face is, Karlsson is an "offenceman"), and he has kept it going through the playoffs thus far, and has led an absolute dynamite PP unit all year. PK's only chance to make team canada is to be the powerplay QB, and honestly there are 2-3 guys better for that spot in this team than he. I like PK, I think he's a great player, but I don't think he belongs on Canada in a best on best tournament.
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Great win for the Pens tonight. The first and second periods will be what happens if either team doesn't show up for a period, but the third was how I expect this series to be played. Crosby was unreal tonight though, seemed to be on another level compared to everyone else out on the ice.
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The Sharks absolutely have to take Game 2. If they don't steal at least one game on the road they have virtually no chance of winning this series.
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1 down, 3 to go!
Great win by the Pens last night. Rust continues to be red hot, Sid was on another level, and the defense held the Sharks' speed in check for good stretches of the game.
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Ugh.... :(
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/hitchcock-will-return-to-coach-blues-in/article_23c36da8-756f-5d36-ba7a-9d4acabcc2c6.html
Can I go ahead and submit my post elimination rant for next years Playoff now? Here are a couple excerpts....."out coached again.......Blues played trying not to lose instead of playing to win"...and so on.
Look, I know there isn't a huge market of coaches out there to pick from but if you expect things to change then you gotta make changes.
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Ugh.... :(
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/hitchcock-will-return-to-coach-blues-in/article_23c36da8-756f-5d36-ba7a-9d4acabcc2c6.html
Can I go ahead and submit my post elimination rant for next years Playoff now? Here are a couple excerpts....."out coached again.......Blues played trying not to lose instead of playing to win"...and so on.
Look, I know there isn't a huge market of coaches out there to pick from but if you expect things to change then you gotta make changes.
Well, it is only a one year deal. I'm not too familiar with how the Blues ownership handles stuff like this, but a lot of time a one year deal means the coach is on a short leash. A lot of hockey teams would extend a coach like Ken for a year but would be quick to fire him if things aren't going their way next year, not losing as much $$ then.
Do you guys have a good AHL head coach that could make the jump next year?
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Tough loss for the Sharks but it was a very entertaining game. I see this series going 7.
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Ugh.... :(
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/hitchcock-will-return-to-coach-blues-in/article_23c36da8-756f-5d36-ba7a-9d4acabcc2c6.html
Can I go ahead and submit my post elimination rant for next years Playoff now? Here are a couple excerpts....."out coached again.......Blues played trying not to lose instead of playing to win"...and so on.
Look, I know there isn't a huge market of coaches out there to pick from but if you expect things to change then you gotta make changes.
Well, it is only a one year deal. I'm not too familiar with how the Blues ownership handles stuff like this, but a lot of time a one year deal means the coach is on a short leash. A lot of hockey teams would extend a coach like Ken for a year but would be quick to fire him if things aren't going their way next year, not losing as much $$ then.
Do you guys have a good AHL head coach that could make the jump next year?
This past season was a one year deal as well. By all accounts it was 'successful' by any other standards but getting out of the first round shouldn't have been the goal. The goal is to win the cup, we didn't and it was due to the same issues as his previous teams. No killer instinct, lack of showing up to play for games....and being stifled by another coaches moves.
His assistant coach Kirk Muller would be a perfect choice IMO. He knows the players, is familiar with the system but could tweak it enough to bring a fresh perspective and maybe he could inspire on a level Hitchcock has proven he's incapable of doing.
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Hate to say I told you so, but I didn't think he would be out after this year.
Brouwer has been quoted as saying he's been thinking about going to Vancouverif he doesnt re-sign with the Blues.
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Hate to say I told you so, but I didn't think he would be out after this year.
Brouwer has been quoted as saying he's been thinking about going to Vancouverif he doesnt re-sign with the Blues.
Deep down I knew he'd be back. You can't point to where he technically failed....it's an intangible that he lacks IMO.
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I really hope Brouwer stays. He added a toughness to the Blues that came through for much of the playoffs.
I expected Hitchcock back and I am okay with it. I know Gary disagrees, but progress was made this year and they are still thisclose to winning it all. No need to blow it up; just need a few tweaks to the roster.
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.....and the Blues lose Kirk Muller due to Hitchcock staying. :facepalm: He's good with the players, very close and respected by them. He is the perfect fit for the roster the Blues have and they've dicked it all up now to allow Hitchcock to come up short one more time.
There was hopes he would stay with the team as the 'known' heir after Hitchcock leaves next year but the Blues would only offer him a one year deal.
I'm not saying Muller would have been freaking Scotty Bowman but IMO the Blues just F'd this whole thing ridiculous just to keep a coach who's incapable of inspiring a team. There is absolutely nothing new that Hitchcock can bring to the Blues next year other than higher cholesterol and a guarantee that he won't have the players ready to play at least two games out of every series they play.
:clap: good job D Bags
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I knew Pittsburgh was a great team, but I didn't expect them to dominate like this. They deserve a lot of credit for throwing San Jose off of their game. Very impressed with how Jones is playing though… not a Sharks fan but I am still pulling for them in this series. I'd love to see them finally win a cup.
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.....and the Blues lose Kirk Muller due to Hitchcock staying. :facepalm: He's good with the players, very close and respected by them. He is the perfect fit for the roster the Blues have and they've dicked it all up now to allow Hitchcock to come up short one more time.
There was hopes he would stay with the team as the 'known' heir after Hitchcock leaves next year but the Blues would only offer him a one year deal.
I'm not saying Muller would have been freaking Scotty Bowman but IMO the Blues just F'd this whole thing ridiculous just to keep a coach who's incapable of inspiring a team. There is absolutely nothing new that Hitchcock can bring to the Blues next year other than higher cholesterol and a guarantee that he won't have the players ready to play at least two games out of every series they play.
:clap: good job D Bags
Shaw declined to return as well.
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I hate to see Muller and Shaw both go. Not as keen on Hitch staying, given these turn of events.
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Does Hitchcock skate with the team for practices or do the assistants handle that? I just usually see coaches skate with the team and I can't imagine Hitchcock skating.
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.....and the Blues lose Kirk Muller due to Hitchcock staying. :facepalm: He's good with the players, very close and respected by them. He is the perfect fit for the roster the Blues have and they've dicked it all up now to allow Hitchcock to come up short one more time.
There was hopes he would stay with the team as the 'known' heir after Hitchcock leaves next year but the Blues would only offer him a one year deal.
I'm not saying Muller would have been freaking Scotty Bowman but IMO the Blues just F'd this whole thing ridiculous just to keep a coach who's incapable of inspiring a team. There is absolutely nothing new that Hitchcock can bring to the Blues next year other than higher cholesterol and a guarantee that he won't have the players ready to play at least two games out of every series they play.
:clap: good job D Bags
Shaw declined to return as well.
Not surprised about Shaw. He's been with us 10 years and been twice passed over for head coach, and he knew the Blues were leaning Muller.
I hate to see Muller and Shaw both go. Not as keen on Hitch staying, given these turn of events.
Muller leaving flat sucks. It can't be expressed enough how important he was for the young players like Schwartz, Tarasenko, Fabbri, Jaskin, Jake Allen. He had developed such a relationship with them and worked with them, he was the sanity for those players when Hitchcock's douchebaggery was in full tilt.
These two guys leaving, especially Muller will have a much larger impact on the team than Hitchcock staying. And not in a good way. Tough to be excited about next season at this point.
Does Hitchcock skate with the team for practices or do the assistants handle that? I just usually see coaches skate with the team and I can't imagine Hitchcock skating.
I've seen video clips of him with the team on the ice, holding a stick.
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Great shot to win it. Hope the Pens sweep.
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HUGE win last night.
Going back to California up 2-0 rather than 1-1 is enormous. If the Pens can, at the very least, split the next two in CA, they'd be in great shape.
The whole team continues to be a marvel.
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Ugh, I'm scared. Sharks keep falling short. Hopefully home ice will help.
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I think that may have been the nail in the coffin for San Jose. Pittsburgh is too good to lose the next four out of five games, especially with three of those being home games.
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Ugh, I'm scared. Sharks keep falling short. Hopefully home ice will help.
I'm curious to see what adjustments DeBoer will make when he gets last change. Sully has been pushing a couple matchups in particular that have been working well.
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There's no good way to match D pairings against the Pens right now. If they put their top pairing against the HBK line then Crosby or Malkin will eat the third pair alive. That being said, I'm expecting the Sharks to win game 3, you're not in trouble until you lose on home ice.
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There's no good way to match D pairings against the Pens right now. If they put their top pairing against the HBK line then Crosby or Malkin will eat the third pair alive. That being said, I'm expecting the Sharks to win game 3, you're not in trouble until you lose on home ice.
Agreed, when any team is rolling 4 lines as well as the Pens are right now, it creates match up nightmares.
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Panthers update logo and sweaters: https://www.nhl.com/news/panthers-unveil-new-uniforms-logo/c-280870132
In other news, Mike Yeo is reportedly interviewing for the Blues assistant coaching position.
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In other news, Mike Yeo is reportedly interviewing for the Blues assistant coaching position.
It was speculated in an article today that he'd be the 'coach in waiting' as well....to take over after Hitchcock fails retires after next season
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I've been on vacation and missed the first 2 games, but what has Pete DeBoer complained about thus far as his team has lost 2 games?
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I know someone on the Sharks has gripped about Crosby supposedly cheating on face-offs.
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What an awesome goal by Donskoi… glad to see this series is getting interesting.
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Great shot to win it, and that OT was exciting as hell, but the Sharks were extremely fortunate to win. The Penguins have looked like the clear cut better team so far in this series.
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I disagree… I think the Sharks actually outplayed the Penguins last night. I thought the Sharks created more quality scoring chances and if a few bounces had gone their way on both ends, OT wouldn't have been needed last night. They were also much better defensively than they were in the first two games. I think the Penguins lucked out with some fluky deflection goals, not that they didn't play well.
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The Sharks were the marginally better team last night I would say, but they have not played above their opponent to the level the Penguins did in games 1 & 2. I'd say every game has been won by the team that deserved to win. Tomorrow's game is a must win for the Sharks. From what the Penguins have shown this playoffs, if they go up 3-1 then this series is going to be over.
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I thought Martin played pretty damn good last night, but he cannot let up that goal by Joel Ward.
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I thought Martin played pretty damn good last night, but he cannot let up that goal by Joel Ward.
Ward scored on his own team? ;)
But aside from ball busting, I agree fully with you. First replay of that goal, my immediate thought was, "Murray should've had that..."
Been cheering for the Sharks this series, but it's scary how quick this Pens team is. You turn the puck over in the neutral zone, or worse, in your own end (which Burns has GOT to stop doing), it's instantly headed the other way and they'll make you pay with a quality scoring chance.
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Dammit, I keep calling him Matt Martin!
Our goalie is Tuukka. No messing that up! :lol
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As a Pens fan, I'm not completely sold on Murray yet, I think he's good and has loads of potential, but that's it. Some of the locals here in and around Pittsburgh are already talking about trading Fluery in the off-season. I think that's WAY premature. I see nothing wrong with splitting time between both guys next year.
I just think goalie is a position that a player can get hot at and ride a streak, only to, sometimes, come crashing back down to earth. Better to give it more time to make sure you have a quality guy in Murray before getting rid of a franchise, cup winning goalie.
Anyways, the game on Saturday was a deserved Sharks win. The Pens did not come at it as hard top to bottom. I said before game 3, if the Pens can split in CA, that would be great, so hopefully they can regroup and win tonight. That would put them in a really strong position.
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Even as a Sharks fan, every game has been exciting and could have gone either way. As a Hockey Fan I hope the series goes 7 with at least 2 OT periods.
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As for trading Fleury for next year: the Pens hands are forced on that one with the upcoming expansion. Obviously you want to get something for one of these goalies, and if Murray is your guy then you have to trade Fleury. There's teams right now (re: Calgary) that need a goalie so bad, and if you just let expansion teams take him for free then as a GM you didn't do your job. And if you protect both goalies then you need to sacrifice depth up front.
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As for trading Fleury for next year: the Pens hands are forced on that one with the upcoming expansion. Obviously you want to get something for one of these goalies, and if Murray is your guy then you have to trade Fleury. There's teams right now (re: Calgary) that need a goalie so bad, and if you just let expansion teams take him for free then as a GM you didn't do your job. And if you protect both goalies then you need to sacrifice depth up front.
Eh, I get what you are saying, but until an expansion is officially announced and the rules around the expansion are revealed, I wouldn't make ANY rosters decisions based on that. We still don't know (1) what the exact rules of the expansion would be or (2) even if there will actually be an expansion.
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Is there really a need for expansion? I think with too many more markets the league will be stretching itself too thin.
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Is there really a need for expansion? I think with too many more markets the league will be stretching itself too thin.
I think the league is already to big honestly, talent is too diluted because of it. I'd rather see the league cut teams than expand, but that's not going to happen. It also doesn't help that the NHL is so poorly run, that makes the thought of expansion even more silly to me.
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Bettman has been all about expansion for almost his entire tenure as commissioner. The league is stretched very thin and with the constant pull for parity in the league, adding teams just seems like they want to dilute the talent pool even more. I can't imagine the extra markets would be offering enough to justify the expenses.
Wait til the 2027 NHL, with 56 teams and only 23 make the playoffs.
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I'd believe it, honestly, sports leagues (especially in the US) are all about expanding into untapped markets. The problem for the NHL is that they are already in several markets where teams are not doing well. A league like the NFL could justify expansion because it's doing really well across all its current markets. I can't say the same about the NHL. Just seems silly to me.
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Bettman seems to have the mindset of a wireless carrier: the broader our coverage, the better we are. I think he loses sight of making the core group stronger in the attempt to have the league cover a larger audience.
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Honestly, I'll never understand the Gary Bettman hate.
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Commissioners are easy to hate, because their main object is always to make the owners happy, not the fans, and the owners care the most about making money, so commissioners will always do things that make the owners more money and fans disgusted.
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And as Kev knows, my focus on hate is on another league. Lol
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Big win for the boys!
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Poor Tiburones.
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It's pretty much over.
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3-1 is huge. Awesome win by the Pens, Geno scored (which he really needed to) and we got contributions from the 4th line and defense. Great, great stuff.
15 wins down, 1 to go. Let's raise Lord Stanley's Cup in Pittsburgh on Thursday boys!!
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Great bit of writing from Kerry Fraser, talking about run-ins w/ Theo Fleury, becoming a ref, and the Gretzky high-stick no-call.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-7-kerry-fraser-nhl-referee-stories/
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Dammit Millah! :lol
I literally came into the thread to post Kerry Fraser's latest column from TSN!
https://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-ref-the-night-i-skated-with-a-player-s-autograph-on-my-jersey-1.502556
His columns are Must Reads!
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Fun period of hockey.
Go Sharks...just for tonight, since I'd rather not see the Pens win it on home ice.
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Soft game by Murray so far.
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Nice win for the Sharks. I hope they force a game 7 and win it :metal
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Nice win for the Sharks. I hope they force a game 7 and win it :metal
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Wow, Jones played out of his mind. That being said, if the Pens offense plays like that again it's going to be really hard for the Sharks to win 3 in a row. I expect the Sharks to win the next game to force a game 7. As much as I hope they win the cup it's going to be a tall order to win game in Pittsburg.
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Wow, Jones played out of his mind. That being said, if the Pens offense plays like that again it's going to be really hard for the Sharks to win 3 in a row.
Yup. Murray let in one soft one (the first one) and Jones stood on his head. That was the difference in this one. The Pens offense was generating unlimited chances and completely dominated the second and third periods, just couldn't finish. I'm confident if the Pens keep playing at that level, the Sharks will not win three in a row on them.
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On a much sadder note, RIP Mr. Hockey. :'(
https://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/16096859/hockey-legend-gordie-howe-dies-88
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Wow, RIP Gordie.
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A true legend. Probably 2a along with Mario on the list of all-time greats. R.I.P.
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2a along with Mario
I know the debate is pointless but I put Mario ahead of Grextzy every day of the week. He played in a much tougher NHL than the early years of 99. Have you watched some of the goals that he scored :lol Might as well have had a couple polar bears on defense and a trash can lid playing goal.
Anyway.....RIP Mr. Howe
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I know the debate is pointless but I put Mario ahead of Grextzy every day of the week.
Haha I was going to post the same thing... For a variety of reasons, I consider Mario number 1 of all time, with Wayne number 2.
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I know the debate is pointless but I put Mario ahead of Grextzy every day of the week.
Haha I was going to post the same thing... For a variety of reasons, I consider Mario number 1 of all time, with Wayne number 2.
I get what 99 did for the sport....but like I said, all those points he scored early in his career were as soft as soft can get. there's no way to argue they weren't just Youtube 'Gretzy goals' or something along those lines and watch. Do the same for Lemieux. It's night and day IMO who is the better player....on top of the fact Mario missed a ton of time in his Prime thanks to cancer....and then came back!!
Thanks for what you did for hockey Wayne but Mario is #1! :metal
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You guys are nuts. :P
99 is the best hockey player ever by far. It's not close. Take away every goal he ever scored and he'd still be the all-time points scorer. Oh, and he has the most goals ever, too.
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You guys are nuts. :P
99 is the best hockey player ever by far. It's not close. Take away every goal he ever scored and he'd still be the all-time points scorer. Oh, and he has the most goals ever, too.
I get it Kev but my point is the majority of those points he scored were against cheese defense and horrific goaltending. It's the whole 'era' argument. I think Lemieux was a WAY better all around hockey player and just as, if not MORE offensively talented than 99. He had a much harder and more accurate shot by far and away.
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From someone who was old enough to see #9 on TV as a Red Wing, endured the management cluster f that allowed him to leave...having met him and his amazing wife Colleen eons ago at an autograph signing (DO read her wiki page), it is a somber day for all hockey fans.
Instead of the usual pic, thought I'd throw something up here that always gives me a smile
(https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1840072/images/o-159836068-facebook.jpg)
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2a along with Mario
I know the debate is pointless but I put Mario ahead of Grextzy every day of the week. He played in a much tougher NHL than the early years of 99. Have you watched some of the goals that he scored :lol Might as well have had a couple polar bears on defense and a trash can lid playing goal.
Anyway.....RIP Mr. Howe
If Mario Lemieux had been able to stay healthy, there's a chance he would have at least matched Gretzky in stats and maybe even passed him. He was an all around better player but he simply didn't have the longevity that Wayne had.
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2a along with Mario
I know the debate is pointless but I put Mario ahead of Grextzy every day of the week. He played in a much tougher NHL than the early years of 99. Have you watched some of the goals that he scored :lol Might as well have had a couple polar bears on defense and a trash can lid playing goal.
Anyway.....RIP Mr. Howe
If Mario Lemieux had been able to stay healthy, there's a chance he would have at least matched Gretzky in stats and maybe even passed him. He was an all around better player but he simply didn't have the longevity that Wayne had.
....and he faced MUCH improved defense and goaltending. Like, he had to lift his shots and actually shoot the puck rather than just make the puck go in the general direction of the goal and have it go in half the time.
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It's not like they played in different eras. Their careers overlapped except for five seasons. And Gretzky always outscored everyone by a ton, so it's not like it was easy for anyone to pile up points.
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I'd also put Mario over Gretzky but being a Penguins-fan I'm obviously slightly biased. To me, what Mario did despite all his health problems, playing that good while fighting cancer, it blows me away to this date. In contrast to Mario, Gretzky was fortunate to not suffer from as many health problems and the path to becoming a legend is definitely smoother without those road blocks. It's definitely a case of what was VS what could have been, and while I won't argue someone who thinks Gretzky was nr1, to me Mario was.
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It's not like they played in different eras. Their careers overlapped except for five seasons. And Gretzky always outscored everyone by a ton, so it's not like it was easy for anyone to pile up points.
Couple of things:
- While their eras did overlap the league was changing rapidly. Mario played in an era in which fewer goals were scored, making his offensive statistics all the more impressive.
- Mario actually averaged more points per game than Wayne did and more goals per game throughout his career. So Mario was a more productive player, he just had less time to play... So...
- I'd argue that Hodgkin's Disease robbed Mario of the chance to match Wayne's career stats. I believe he absolutely could have matched and/or passed Wayne in that regard if it wasn't for his health.
- The caliber of player Wayne played with (mostly toward the beginning of his career) was FAR greater than Mario.
- Five goals five different ways. :)
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That is incorrect to say that Mario averaged more points per game than Wayne. 1.92 to 1.88 in favor of 99.
As for what 66 could've done in the years he missed, that is irrelevant. Players are judged on what they did do, not what they could've done. It sucks that he missed that time, but luck when it comes to health and injuries is part of the equation, and 99 was definitely luckier in that regard.
Simply put, by just about objective measure, Gretzky is the Greatest. It's not close.
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That is incorrect to say that Mario averaged more points per game than Wayne. 1.92 to 1.88 in favor of 99.
Ah, I was wrong. Mario had a better goals per game not points per game. My bad!
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- I'd argue that Hodgkin's Disease robbed Mario of the chance to match Wayne's career stats. I believe he absolutely could have matched and/or passed Wayne in that regard if it wasn't for his health.
Mario only missed 3 1/2 seasons, so even if you take his career average PPG (1.88) that gives him an extra 550 points. And that's assuming he could've maintained the same ridiculous production which isn't remotely realistic. So an extra 550 would give Mario a total of about 2,275 points which is still 600 less than Wayne. Even if you give him extra points under the argument that the back issues reduced his production, he still wouldn't even come close to 99's total points. Could Mario have passed Gretzky's goal total? Maybe. But nobody is ever going to touch his career points record, or the most goals in a season. The game is just too different now.
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Taking nothing away from Lemiuex, but it's Gretzky all the way. Then Orr. Then Lemiuex.
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That is incorrect to say that Mario averaged more points per game than Wayne. 1.92 to 1.88 in favor of 99.
Ah, I was wrong. Mario had a better goals per game not points per game. My bad!
What's really nuts is if you look at PPG all-time, no one else is even close to 99 and 66.
Mario only missed 3 1/2 seasons, so even if you take his career average PPG (1.88) that gives him an extra 550 points. And that's assuming he could've maintained the same ridiculous production which isn't remotely realistic. So an extra 550 would give Mario a total of about 2,275 points which is still 600 less than Wayne. Even if you give him extra points under the argument that the back issues reduced his production, he still wouldn't even come close to 99's total points. Could Mario have passed Gretzky's goal total? Maybe. But nobody is ever going to touch his career points record, or the most goals in a season. The game is just too different now.
Well said. 66 was freaking awesome; I can't imagine anyone thinking otherwise, but he simply was no 99.
Heck, his best season would have been Gretzky's 5th best season.
Gretzky won EIGHT Hart Trophy's IN A ROW (and later, a 9th); Lemieux won three ever.
Gretzky was the scoring champion 10 times; Lemieux five times.
I could go on and on.
If someone wants to argue that 66 was a slightly better goal scorer than 99 was, because his goals per game is slightly higher, have at it, but Gretzky was a playmaking machine, hence his million assists. Like I said earlier, he could have scored no goals EVER, and he would STILL be the current points leader in NHL history. That's so ridiculously awesome, it boggles the mind.
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Simply put, my vote is for 99.
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If I were starting a team and had my choice of either of them in their prime I'd take Lemeiux. 99 was awesome, I'll never argue he wasn't. But 66 was an all around better player.
99 was a man among boys and it showed in how soft the league was in his first few years. 66 played in a much tougher league IMO and the points/goals he earned were tougher to get IMO.
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If you're basing off of individual skill, regardless of Era, then you could argue there are about a dozen players in the NHL now better than Mario or Gretzky ever were. The game is played at an absurd level, and if you plucked Gretzky from his prime as he was then I highly doubt he'd even put up 50 points right now. He was slow, but with the extra time and space he had (let alone the fact that everyone else wasn't nearly as good either) he was able to use his vision to put up huge points. It wouldn't work like that now. First shift he'd get drilled like Crosby, Kane and all the stars do now, and he'd be in the hospital. It's impossible to compare over generations. In Mario and Wayne's days there wasn't all this nutritional information or workout regiments, Mario smoked for Gods sake. Guys now are better athletes, but that's because they have to be.
All that being said, if you took Mario in his prime as is and put him in skates now he'd still dominate, but not as much as Pavel Bure would, IMO.
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Lemieux= Lebron. (Ok maybe that's not quite fair)
But....
Gretzky = Jordan.
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I'm honestly surprised that there has been all the debate here, frankly I find Gretzky to be pretty untouchable.
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He was untouchable.
Let's look at how much better he was than everyone else for a long time:
1980-1981: Gretzky had 164 points, 29 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1981-1982: Gretzky had 212 points, 65 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1982-1983: Gretzky had 196 points, 72 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1983-1984: Gretzky had 205 points, 79 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1984-1985: Gretzky had 208 points, 73 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1985-1986: Gretzky had 215 points, 74 more than the 2nd place finisher (Lemieux).
1986-1987: Gretzky had 183 points, 75 more than the 2nd place finisher.
That is SEVEN straight seasons of not only being the best player in the league, but being the best player by a massive distance.
Lemieux did overtake Gretzky as the points leader in 1988 and 1989, besting him by 19 and 31 points, paltry margins when compared to what Gretzky was doing prior, but by the next season, Gretzky was back on top, leading the league again in points in three of the next five seasons.
If I were starting a team and had my choice of either of them in their prime I'd take Lemieux.
See, I don't get this. Gretzky's prime was better than Lemieux's prime, but just about any measure you look at. Again, 66's best season would have been 99's 5th best season (and their careers mostly overlapped enough to where it's not like comparing players from completely different eras, like how QBs nowadays obliterate the stats QBs put up 20-30 years ago in football), and 66 never lapped the competition when he was at his best like 99 did. I am sorry to tell you this, my fellow St. Louisan, but if you would choose 66 over 99, that is choosing poorly. :P :biggrin:
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I'm with Kev on this. He's said all of what I would say already, so yeah.
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He was untouchable.
Let's look at how much better he was than everyone else for a long time:
1980-1981: Gretzky had 164 points, 29 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1981-1982: Gretzky had 212 points, 65 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1982-1983: Gretzky had 196 points, 72 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1983-1984: Gretzky had 205 points, 79 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1984-1985: Gretzky had 208 points, 73 more than the 2nd place finisher.
1985-1986: Gretzky had 215 points, 74 more than the 2nd place finisher (Lemieux).
1986-1987: Gretzky had 183 points, 75 more than the 2nd place finisher.
That is SEVEN straight seasons of not only being the best player in the league, but being the best player by a massive distance.
Lemieux did overtake Gretzky as the points leader in 1988 and 1989, besting him by 19 and 31 points, paltry margins when compared to what Gretzky was doing prior, but by the next season, Gretzky was back on top, leading the league again in points in three of the next five seasons.
If I were starting a team and had my choice of either of them in their prime I'd take Lemieux.
See, I don't get this. Gretzky's prime was better than Lemieux's prime, but just about any measure you look at. Again, 66's best season would have been 99's 5th best season (and their careers mostly overlapped enough to where it's not like comparing players from completely different eras, like how QBs nowadays obliterate the stats QBs put up 20-30 years ago in football), and 66 never lapped the competition when he was at his best like 99 did. I am sorry to tell you this, my fellow St. Louisan, but if you would choose 66 over 99, that is choosing poorly. :P :biggrin:
Impressive stats indeed but he was playing against scrubs the entire time. It was like Jordan playing the 8th grade rec league players. The points he scored each season alone should verify how weak the league was at the time. 200+ points!? That's insane! Impressive certainly but it speaks to how weak the defense and goalies were then.
Lemieuxs career spanned an era where the goalies were night and day better and the defense was exponentially tougher. 99 in his prime would be a 2nd or 3rd line player in today's game. 66 would still be on the #1 line because of his size, grit and skill
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Gary, how in the world can you call 80's players scrubs? They were not "Rec League" players. That's just nuts.
I went to many games in the old Garden in the 80's (including the '88 Finals game when the lights went out) and the league was every bit as tough as it was in the 90's.
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Gary, how in the world can you call 80's players scrubs? They were not "Rec League" players. That's just nuts.
I went to many games in the old Garden in the 80's (including the '88 Finals game when the lights went out) and the league was every bit as tough as it was in the 90's.
Basing it off of watching YouTube clips of early Gretzty goals. The goaltending was horrific and the defense was apparently not important to worry about.
You all are probably correct. I'm not saying 99 wasn't awesome. He was. my POV is that 66 in his prime could play in today's league and still score 40 goals and be a viable first line player due to his size, physicality and being an all around player. 99 would be lucky to finish the season due to how physical it is and might reach 25 goals.
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The goaltending was horrific and the defense was apparently not important to worry about.
Based on that Gordie Howe sucks. So does Bobby Orr.
my POV is that 66 in his prime could play in today's league and still score 40 goals and be a viable first line player due to his size, physicality and being an all around player. 99 would be lucky to finish the season due to how physical it is and might reach 25 goals.
That's a legit take, but I would counter that with Lemieux was a lot softer than his size would indicate, and I would not question Gretzky's toughness. He was sneaky strong. And sneaky tough. I actually feel the opposite. Gretzky would be the one scoring 40 and Lemieux would be scoring 25. OK, I'd give Lemieux 30.
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I love all of you :biggrin:
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Howe would have knocked the snot out of Lemieux, and hooked Gretzky mercilessly.
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.2849401.1423232649!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_300/howe-gretzky.jpg)
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Amen, brother!
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Awful, awful effort by the Sharks in that third period. Looks like they didn't have enough energy to continue this series. Oh well. Congrats Pens. At least happy to see Kessel win it. Big FU to the Leafs media.
EDIT: What a joke. There were several players on the Pens alone that deserved Conn Smythe more than Crosby. Murray or Kessel should have gotten it IMO.
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Sharks had nothing left. They couldn't get a thing started, sustained, or through. And I call bullshit on the Conn Smythe. Should have been Murray or Kessel. Even Bonino or Hagelin. Crosby got it bc he's Crosby, and i hate that.
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Yeah I'm usually pretty annoyed when people call bullshit in that fashion but nope, he definitely got it for being Crosby. Murray and Kessel deserved it way more.
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Defensive clinic by the Pens in that 3rd period. Congrats to them.
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To me that taints the deserved celebration. I mean im sure the Penguins don't give a shit and they earned that Cup, but the hockey writers never miss a chance to slobber Crosby's knob, thereby shorting another player from the recognition he deserved.
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Congratulations to the Penguins on another cup snag!
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Lol at the guys hating on Crosby for winning the Conn Smythe. Watch every Pens game and tell me he's not the best player on the ice. Go Pens.
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Pitt's speed was the difference in this postseason. This Red Wing tips his hat to the champs.
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Congrats Pens Fans!
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
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Penguins! :heart
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Pitt's speed was the difference in this postseason. This Red Wing tips his hat to the champs.
Whoa you play for the Red Wings??!!
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
I was gonna say, weren't a lot of people saying that the cup won't be leaving the West for awhile? :lol
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Wow, as a lifelong Pens fan, it was something special to see that cup raised again. Huge moment for so many deserving players, coaches, etc...
Lol at the guys hating on Crosby for winning the Conn Smythe. Watch every Pens game and tell me he's not the best player on the ice. Go Pens.
This. Anyone complaining that Sid shouldn't have won the Smythe either didn't watch many Pens games or doesn't know very much about hockey. Hockey is waaaaay more than the score sheet (Wayne vs Mario debate applies here as well). There is a trophy for the guy that scores the most points, that's not this trophy. This trophy is for the most valuable player. He was easily the Pens best player throughout the entire playoff campaign. He did everything. The whole, he won because he's Crosby thing is such a ridiculous statement. You know why he won? Because he's the best player in the world, just led his team to a second Cup under his leadership and dominated the playoffs by playing, complete, dominate, two-way hockey. How about that? :lol
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I love all of you :biggrin:
Late to the party, but I'm with you GMiller! Lemieux is the best player I've seen in a team sport. Period.
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Defensive clinic by the Pens in that 3rd period. Congrats to them.
The Penguins put on a defensive clinic pretty much the entire series. The Sharks looked flustered more often than not and had way too many uncharacteristic give-aways in this series. Congratulations Penguins fans!
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Defensive clinic by the Pens in that 3rd period. Congrats to them.
The Penguins put on a defensive clinic pretty much the entire series. The Sharks looked flustered more often than not and had way too many uncharacteristic give-aways in this series. Congratulations Penguins fans!
Most impressively, the only really big "name" on the Pens D-core is Letang. All the other Dmen played great and bought into a system that put them in a position to win. Using their speed and skating ability was a key, we don't really have any of those "big, "heavy" Dmen.
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Hey Blues fans
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/yeo-will-succeed-hitchcock-as-blues-coach/article_fedc07f6-50c8-5212-b4be-ccda30243dbf.html
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Good to establish the continuity early IMO. I think this could work out well given that Yeo turns out to be at least a slightly above average coach. It was hard to get a read on him in Minnesota.
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Hey Blues fans
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/yeo-will-succeed-hitchcock-as-blues-coach/article_fedc07f6-50c8-5212-b4be-ccda30243dbf.html
Good to establish the continuity early IMO. I think this could work out well given that Yeo turns out to be at least a slightly above average coach. It was hard to get a read on him in Minnesota.
The only qualms I have with this is that he isn't starting the season as the head coach. I'm perfectly happy with this move.....
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Yeo's pretty good. He was great as an assistant here in Pittsburgh. Smart coach, good guy.
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I am fine with this move.
I am also fine with Crosby getting the Conn Smythe. No, he wasn't their top points scorer in the playoffs, but the eye test told ya that he was their best and most valuable player. Heck, he was a beast on face offs, too, and those are always important.
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
This. Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Washington especially were good enough to beat anyone in the West.
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
This. Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Washington especially were good enough to beat anyone in the West.
Yeah, honestly the Sharks were probably not even close to being the toughest competition for the Pens on their road to the Cup. I'd say in order of hardest to least hard - Caps, Bolts, Sharks, Rags. Lots of really, really good teams from the East this year. It's good to see the gap closed between the West and East.
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I am also fine with Crosby getting the Conn Smythe. No, he wasn't their top points scorer in the playoffs, but the eye test told ya that he was their best and most valuable player. Heck, he was a beast on face offs, too, and those are always important.
I definitely would've given it to Letang, and I didn't watch every Pens game throughout the playoffs, but as you say Kev, the eye test told me that Crosby was awesome in the finals.
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I definitely would've given it to Letang, and I didn't watch every Pens game throughout the playoffs, but as you say Kev, the eye test told me that Crosby was awesome in the finals.
Tanger would have been my second choice behind Sid. He played incredible.
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
This. Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Washington especially were good enough to beat anyone in the West.
I'll openly admit that I was in the "Any western team wins in 4 or 5 games" camp at the start of the finals. I still think it's a more competitive conference than the east, but it's obviously not as lopsided as I thought.
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Hopefully people stop writing off Eastern teams now. The conferences have becoming closer in skill level lately. IIRC the East had a winning record against the West for the first time in a while this season.
This. Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Washington especially were good enough to beat anyone in the West.
I'll openly admit that I was in the "Any western team wins in 4 or 5 games" camp at the start of the finals. I still think it's a more competitive conference than the east, but it's obviously not as lopsided as I thought.
As was I, and like you I still believe the level of competition is much tougher in the West than the East....but that obviously doesn't mean there aren't great teams in the East.
I still don't believe San Jose was the 'best' team per say out of the West....they were just the team who put it together at the right time.
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I definitely would've given it to Letang, and I didn't watch every Pens game throughout the playoffs, but as you say Kev, the eye test told me that Crosby was awesome in the finals.
Tanger would have been my second choice behind Sid. He played incredible.
Agreed. Letang would be my other choice. He's been unbelievable, and he's probably the least replaceable player on the team.
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Agreed. Letang would be my other choice. He's been unbelievable, and he's probably the least replaceable player on the team.
As someone who watches him play every other night, I can't believe he isn't talked about more around the league as a premier D-man. I don't think he even made the Canadian team for the upcoming fake Olympics. IMO Tanger is a top 5 dman in the league, no question.
As was I, and like you I still believe the level of competition is much tougher in the West than the East....but that obviously doesn't mean there aren't great teams in the East.
This is hard for me to comment on, admittedly I don't get a chance to watch many Western Conf. games but the good teams in the East this year (Pens, Caps, Bolts) are very good teams that could easily compete with anyone in the West. Beyond that, the level of competition might be closer in the West, but I'm not sure.
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Agreed. Letang would be my other choice. He's been unbelievable, and he's probably the least replaceable player on the team.
As someone who watches him play every other night, I can't believe he isn't talked about more around the league as a premier D-man. I don't think he even made the Canadian team for the upcoming fake Olympics. IMO Tanger is a top 5 dman in the league, no question.
As was I, and like you I still believe the level of competition is much tougher in the West than the East....but that obviously doesn't mean there aren't great teams in the East.
This is hard for me to comment on, admittedly I don't get a chance to watch many Western Conf. games but the good teams in the East this year (Pens, Caps, Bolts) are very good teams that could easily compete with anyone in the West. Beyond that, the level of competition might be closer in the West, but I'm not sure.
Those teams you mentioned can beat anyone at anytime, you're right.
Take a look at the Western Conference standings and the points associated with the teams and you'll get an idea of how competitive it is. The Central Division in the Western conference is the toughest division in hockey IMO....and that's not a 'homer' statement. It's pretty evident.
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Yeah that makes sense, like I said I don't know enough about the level of competition night-in, night-out in the Western Conference. I'll take your word for it!
So maybe saying the Eastern Conference is a little top heavy is fair then? Some really good teams at the top, but more of a drop in competition as you go further down?
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Yeah that makes sense, like I said I don't know enough about the level of competition night-in, night-out in the Western Conference. I'll take your word for it!
So maybe saying the Eastern Conference is a little top heavy is fair then? Some really good teams at the top, but more of a drop in competition as you go further down?
I'm in the same situation as you to where I rarely get to see the Eastern conference actually play. I make my judgment off of the standings more than anything. the East has some powerhouse teams that are more than capable of winning the cup but IMO the West has more. What do I know though, nothing really. I'm under the illusion that Lemieux was better than Gretzky :lol
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What do I know though, nothing really. I'm under the illusion that Lemieux was better than Gretzky :lol
:lol Well I'm under the same illusion as well!!
Like I said before:
Lemieux is the best player I've seen in a team sport. Period.
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Agreed. Letang would be my other choice. He's been unbelievable, and he's probably the least replaceable player on the team.
As someone who watches him play every other night, I can't believe he isn't talked about more around the league as a premier D-man. I don't think he even made the Canadian team for the upcoming fake Olympics. IMO Tanger is a top 5 dman in the league, no question.
Eh. Letang can be fucking amazing, but I notice he has a bigger tendency for bad stretches than most guys out there. At his peak, he's definitely a top 5 defenseman, and he was at his peak these playoffs, if not even turning it on above that. He also had a really great season in general. But looking overall I don't think there's a chance he's top 5. There's guys who bring it way more consistently than he does.
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I don't know. I think Letang has officially arrived to the hockey conscious. It was only a couple of years ago I was saying the same things you just said about Carey Price.
He's like Karlsson. Less points but more balls.
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I wouldn't have blamed you for saying that about Price back then honestly. I'd go as far as to say Price was actually kinda overrated until like the 2013-14 season. But now he's the best and I'm grateful. :metal My post was probably a bit more negative than I intended though. I think Letang could easily make the jump into top 5 defensemen at any moment. I just wouldn't go that far yet though.
As for Karlsson, I don't think I'll ever agree with your beef with him, but meh. ;) My personal top 5 defensemen would be (in no particular order):
Karlsson
Doughty
Subban
Vlasic
Keith
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What do I know though, nothing really. I'm under the illusion that Lemieux was better than Gretzky :lol
You said it, not me. :biggrin:
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Sorry Lielow but Subban is nowhere near a top 5 dman in the NHL. He's an amazing player, but I would have him in the top 15, maaaaybe top 10. If I were to pick my top 5 dmen to build my team around it would be these guys in no particular order:
Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Hedman
Pietrangelo
Josi/Letang I can't decide.
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Sounds like the Ducks hired Carlyle back for head coach :lol
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RIP Ducks. :lol Seriously, why? I mean sure he's won a cup with them before but when you have both Niedermayer and Pronger on your team there's almost no excuse not to. I will be appalled if they continue to be as big a threat after this.
Sorry Lielow but Subban is nowhere near a top 5 dman in the NHL. He's an amazing player, but I would have him in the top 15, maaaaybe top 10. If I were to pick my top 5 dmen to build my team around it would be these guys in no particular order:
Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Hedman
Pietrangelo
Josi/Letang I can't decide.
And I feel the same about a couple of these guys. We're very different you and I. ;)
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Eh. Letang can be fucking amazing, but I notice he has a bigger tendency for bad stretches than most guys out there. At his peak, he's definitely a top 5 defenseman, and he was at his peak these playoffs, if not even turning it on above that. He also had a really great season in general. But looking overall I don't think there's a chance he's top 5. There's guys who bring it way more consistently than he does.
He weakness has always been his thinking of the game, but over the last couple seasons that has improved greatly. He has been incredibly consistent over the whole season for the Pens.
Karlsson
Doughty
Subban
Vlasic
Keith
Those are good picks, but after watching Sid completely dominate possession in the final being matched up against Vlasic, there's no way he makes a top 5 list. Also, there's no way Subban is a top 5 Dman either. I'd take Tanger in a heartbeat over either one of those guys.
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What do I know though, nothing really. I'm under the illusion that Lemieux was better than Gretzky :lol
:lol Well I'm under the same illusion as well!!
Like I said before:
Lemieux is the best player I've seen in a team sport. Period.
IMO, it's no illusion, just the truth! He was the best.
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Karlsson
Doughty
Subban
Vlasic
Keith
Those are good picks, but after watching Sid completely dominate possession in the final being matched up against Vlasic, there's no way he makes a top 5 list.
That's a very small sample size to use for something as far-reaching as a tops list. :P
As for Lemieux, I don't think calling him the all-time great is too outrageous. I would place him 3rd personally (Gretzky and Orr above) but you could definitely make a case for him having an even greater career than Gretzky were he unhindered by injury/disease. I'm not sure I'd agree but it's not crazy to think.
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Karlsson
Doughty
Subban
Vlasic
Keith
Those are good picks, but after watching Sid completely dominate possession in the final being matched up against Vlasic, there's no way he makes a top 5 list.
That's a very small sample size to use for something as far-reaching as a tops list. :P
True, but I think it pretty telling when a supposed top 5 defense man can't show up for a final, meanwhile Tanger plays insanely well. It's a small sample size, but arguably the most telling sample.
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Thoughts are with Dave Strader. I have always liked him.
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nhl/dallas-stars/article83508312.html
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Pitt's speed was the difference in this postseason. This Red Wing tips his hat to the champs.
Whoa you play for the Red Wings??!!
[karist, what an a-hole]
Once again, congrats Pens. Suxx that it has been seven years since the Wings came oh so close to getting a fifth ring in twelve years, ...and now it has been seven years since 'we' have been to the conference finals.
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Forgot to post this the other day... An estimated 400,000 people showed up in Pittsburgh on Wednesday for the Stanley Cup celebration parade... 400,000! That's insane.
(https://4901ux2g6mmvdk3no47o3nyn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/APTOPIX-Penguins-Para-NH-816x460.jpg)
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Forgot to post this the other day... An estimated 400,000 people showed up in Pittsburgh on Wednesday for the Stanley Cup celebration parade... 400,000! That's insane.
I'd imagine when and if St Louis ever wins a cup there will be at least that amount that shows up.....I'd guess more though. I hope my grandkids will kidnap me from the old folks home I'm in and take me to it.....
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Forgot to post this the other day... An estimated 400,000 people showed up in Pittsburgh on Wednesday for the Stanley Cup celebration parade... 400,000! That's insane.
(https://4901ux2g6mmvdk3no47o3nyn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/APTOPIX-Penguins-Para-NH-816x460.jpg)
Very impressive considering the population.
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Very impressive considering the population.
Yeah the population of the actual city is just a little over 300,000. So lots of travelers.
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I love Jagr. He's easily one of my favourite players of all time (probably top 5), and I'm constantly impressed by the fact he's still playing so well at this age. That being said, it is an outrage that he won the Masterton. Dupuis should have gotten it. And if not him, Zuccarello.
EDIT: And wow, I thought PK had the Foundation award in the bag. I mean it's not even hockey related but $10 000 000! :P Jeez.
EDIT 2: Wouldn't have picked Doughty this year personally but I can't be mad that he won. It's a crime that he hadn't gotten one yet.
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ANYWHO, nobody talking about Vegas yet? It's interesting. I don't mind, I think it's an interesting experiment to become the first league to expand to Vegas. I'm curious about how this will turn out.
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I love Jagr. He's easily one of my favourite players of all time (probably top 5), and I'm constantly impressed by the fact he's still playing so well at this age. That being said, it is an outrage that he won the Masterton. Dupuis should have gotten it. And if not him, Zuccarello.
Zucc absolutely should have gotten that award. He almost fucking died and a year later was the leading scorer for the Rangers. That's the very definition of resiliency and perseverance which is what the Masterson is supposed to be for. With all due respect to Dupuis, he was forced to retire and therefore did not persevere and Jagr playing good hockey in his mid 40's isn't that impressive. That award belonged to Zucc and it's ridiculous that he didn't get it.
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ANYWHO, nobody talking about Vegas yet? It's interesting. I don't mind, I think it's an interesting experiment to become the first league to expand to Vegas. I'm curious about how this will turn out.
gonna be a lot more hockey players making the news for all the wrong reasons :lol Might be a dreaded road trip by management but anticipated the most by the players.
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ANYWHO, nobody talking about Vegas yet? It's interesting. I don't mind, I think it's an interesting experiment to become the first league to expand to Vegas. I'm curious about how this will turn out.
gonna be a lot more hockey players making the news for all the wrong reasons :lol Might be a dreaded road trip by management but anticipated the most by the players.
:lol
I think the NHL talent pool is already too diluted and I think a league that can't manage it's current size properly shouldn't get any bigger...But, if they think they can make money, they will expand so its inevitable.
Oh, and Sid should have won the Hart, without question. :biggrin:
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I'm sorry, but 7@44 for Keith Yandle? No f'n way!
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I don't like how the league doesn't have even teams now with Vegas. I mean, this helps bring it closer to equal teams east/west, but I'd rather them add two than one for that purpose, but then again I'd rather them just relocate a team to keep from diluting the talent.
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I'm definitely considering the Devils playing an away game against the Vegas team as an excuse for a trip :hat
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I love Jagr. He's easily one of my favourite players of all time (probably top 5), and I'm constantly impressed by the fact he's still playing so well at this age. That being said, it is an outrage that he won the Masterton. Dupuis should have gotten it. And if not him, Zuccarello.
Zucc absolutely should have gotten that award. He almost fucking died and a year later was the leading scorer for the Rangers. That's the very definition of resiliency and perverseness which is what the Masterson is supposed to be for. With all due respect to Dupuis, he was forced to retire and therefore did not percervere and Jagr playing good hockey in his mid 40's isn't that impressive. That award belonged to Zucc and it's ridiculous that he didn't get it.
Yeah I figured it would be a no-brainer that Zucc or Dupuis wins. I love Jagr a ton and think it's phenomenal the way he's playing right now, but it's ridiculous that he wins.
With the way that went I'm surprised Quick didn't win the Vezina despite being very, very easily outside the top 5 goalies this season. Easily the most overrated player in the league. Can't believe he ended top 3. Happy Holtbeast won though. :metal Schneider should have at least been second though.
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I don't like how the league doesn't have even teams now with Vegas. I mean, this helps bring it closer to equal teams east/west, but I'd rather them add two than one for that purpose, but then again I'd rather them just relocate a team to keep from diluting the talent.
Well if Quebec can ever get their act together and get a team... They would be added to the East and then they would just move a team to the West and they would be even up.
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I'm sorry, but 7@44 for Keith Yandle? No f'n way!
Agreed. Yandle's one of those players that attracts overpays though. Just wait till Lucic's next contract. Will probably be just as outrageous if not more. At the same time though, it's probably more worth it to Florida than any other team. Getting a high production defenseman for Ekblad to mature alongside could prove to work out well for them, even if Yandle is highly questionable in other departments.
Also yeah, the unevenness is my biggest issue with this expansion. Disagree about the talent pool being diluted. I'd argue it's amazing how undiluted the NHL talent pool is right now. Far, far less scrubs poking around than there used to be.
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Also yeah, the unevenness is my biggest issue with this expansion. Disagree about the talent pool being diluted. I'd argue it's amazing how undiluted the NHL talent pool is right now. Far, far less scrubs poking around than there used to be.
Yeah, I respectfully disagree. I think the amount of scrubs in the league is the same as it used to be, the scrubs just play differently than scrubs used to play. Either way though, I don't think its a major issue and adding one team isn't going to suddenly change the quality of play around the league, so no biggie IMO.
Also - why is unevenness an issue for you with the expansion? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this expansion bring the league closer to being even (when I say even, I mean the number of teams in each respective conference)?
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Also yeah, the unevenness is my biggest issue with this expansion. Disagree about the talent pool being diluted. I'd argue it's amazing how undiluted the NHL talent pool is right now. Far, far less scrubs poking around than there used to be.
Yeah, I respectfully disagree. I think the amount of scrubs in the league is the same as it used to be, the scrubs just play differently than scrubs used to play. Either way though, I don't think its a major issue and adding one team isn't going to suddenly change the quality of play around the league, so no biggie IMO.
Well if you have a very dynamic definition of scrub, sure. But my definition is someone who is seriously levels below the competition. If you look back in the day, players like that were ubiquitous. Nowadays, not so much. Who do we have. Zac Rinaldo? Tanner Glass? A few more than that still, but the game is changing to value skill more ahead of face-punching and "moar grit" and with that parity among players is becoming more and more prevalent.
Also - why is unevenness an issue for you with the expansion? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this expansion bring the league closer to being even (when I say even, I mean the number of teams in each respective conference)?
Good point, I had almost forgotten that. I'd rather they bring in two teams at once to just solve that problem outright, but I guess it is a bit better that way.
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Well if you have a very dynamic definition of scrub, sure.
Haha yes I do. :biggrin:
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What's the deal with all this talk of Montreal trading Subban? If it does happen the Bruins thank you.
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Well his NMC doesn't kick in till July 1st, so lots of teams are gonna be calling Bergevin to try and lock him up in the meantime.
I'm not scared personally. Doubt Bergevin would let him go for anything but a glorious overpayment. So in the small chance that happens, yay overpay? :biggrin:
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Check this out. Hearing this on Boston radio today.
https://oilonwhyte.com/2016/06/23/edmonton-oilers-offered-subban-for-draisaitl-4th-per-laraque/
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Okay, now if that's true I'm gonna be pretty angry. :lol I wouldn't call Laraque a super credible source (I mean, has he ever been right about anything?), but if Montreal offered that Edmonton would be fools not to take it. Like the article says though, they'd have to make cap adjustments.
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On the French sports channel leading up to the press conference, they're saying that Subban is immature, that he can be replaced by Oscar Klefbom, and that Markov is as good as Letang. God the French media is such a joke. :lol
EDIT: Subban not traded confirmed. Weeeee.
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My God, having a French speaking coach is more important than a top 2 player on their team.
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Yeah, what a circus. Oh well. Bergevin basically said that he has not been shopping PK at all, but he can't stop teams from calling regardless. Basically what I figured was the case. Hurray. :)
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I never believe GM's. They don't want to tip their hand.
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Adam Henrique just did an AMA on both the hockey subreddit and Devils subreddit simultaneously. He answered his first question at 5:50pm and answered his last at 4:04am. That is just unheard of. Easily one of the greatest AMAs ever and he was a really funny guy too. Definitely made a fan out of me!
EDIT: And he's started back up again! What a machine. :rollin
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Yeah I remember the Devils beat writer tweeting out some pretty funny behind the scenes stuff at times, usually involving Henrique :lol
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Not surprised. Seems like a fun dude, and super cool of him to spend such an insane amount of time shooting the shit with fans. :lol
Also, Oilers making a strong push for 4th + Draisaitl @ 9th + Subban. Seems hilariously low. :P
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Not surprised. Seems like a fun dude, and super cool of him to spend such an insane amount of time shooting the shit with fans. :lol
Also, Oilers making a strong push for 4th + Draisaitl @ 9th + Subban. Seems hilariously low. :P
I don't think Draisaitl and the 4th for PK and the 9th is such a low offer. Draisaitl has shown he can play at the NHL level in a top 6 role, and he's still really early in his career. And the 4th overall, whether it's Tkachuk or Dubois, is a solid top end prospect too. Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for PK would be a steal for Montreal, so they would have to throw in a pick. A 1st rounder, especially a top 10, might be a bit high. I wouldn't call it hilarious though ;)
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It's not enough for Subban.
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Not surprised. Seems like a fun dude, and super cool of him to spend such an insane amount of time shooting the shit with fans. :lol
Also, Oilers making a strong push for 4th + Draisaitl @ 9th + Subban. Seems hilariously low. :P
I don't think Draisaitl and the 4th for PK and the 9th is such a low offer. Draisaitl has shown he can play at the NHL level in a top 6 role, and he's still really early in his career. And the 4th overall, whether it's Tkachuk or Dubois, is a solid top end prospect too. Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for PK would be a steal for Montreal, so they would have to throw in a pick. A 1st rounder, especially a top 10, might be a bit high. I wouldn't call it hilarious though ;)
Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for Subban is still not enough, and you're the first person I've seen suggest the thought :P. A genuine #1 defenseman like Subban is very hard to find and goes a big way, far harder to find than the player Drai could amount to. Plus Draisaitl has played good for approximately 0.5 seasons. Mind you he killed it in that time, but he is still unproven in my eyes. No GM in the league would make that trade. It's a laughable offer, and a classic lowball attempt. You're overvaluing Drai a lot.
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Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for Subban is still not enough, and you're the first person I've seen suggest the thought :P. A genuine #1 defenseman like Subban is very hard to find and goes a big way, far harder to find than the player Drai could amount to. Plus Draisaitl has played good for approximately 0.5 seasons. Mind you he killed it in that time, but he is still unproven in my eyes. No GM in the league would make that trade. It's a laughable offer, and a classic lowball attempt. You're overvaluing Drai a lot.
You're probably right that I'm over valuing Drai given that he's only played 1 1/2 seasons, and yes, he was only really good for 30 or 40 games. I just don't think that Subban is so good that he's worth a 3rd and 4th overall, especially given the level of prospect Drai is and the 4th is expected to be. And Subban is coming off his worst season too, so his value is probably at its lowest right now.
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Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for Subban is still not enough, and you're the first person I've seen suggest the thought :P. A genuine #1 defenseman like Subban is very hard to find and goes a big way, far harder to find than the player Drai could amount to. Plus Draisaitl has played good for approximately 0.5 seasons. Mind you he killed it in that time, but he is still unproven in my eyes. No GM in the league would make that trade. It's a laughable offer, and a classic lowball attempt. You're overvaluing Drai a lot.
You're probably right that I'm over valuing Drai given that he's only played 1 1/2 seasons, and yes, he was only really good for 30 or 40 games. I just don't think that Subban is so good that he's worth a 3rd and 4th overall, especially given the level of prospect Drai is and the 4th is expected to be. And Subban is coming off his worst season too, so his value is probably at its lowest right now.
So you don't watch Subban is what you're saying. Roger. :P
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Also, on another point, Ekblad rumoured to be getting an 8-year $60M-ish extension offer. Boy's gonna get paid. Rightfully so. I believe he will be the best defenseman in the league in a few years. :metal
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Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for Subban is still not enough, and you're the first person I've seen suggest the thought :P. A genuine #1 defenseman like Subban is very hard to find and goes a big way, far harder to find than the player Drai could amount to. Plus Draisaitl has played good for approximately 0.5 seasons. Mind you he killed it in that time, but he is still unproven in my eyes. No GM in the league would make that trade. It's a laughable offer, and a classic lowball attempt. You're overvaluing Drai a lot.
You're probably right that I'm over valuing Drai given that he's only played 1 1/2 seasons, and yes, he was only really good for 30 or 40 games. I just don't think that Subban is so good that he's worth a 3rd and 4th overall, especially given the level of prospect Drai is and the 4th is expected to be. And Subban is coming off his worst season too, so his value is probably at its lowest right now.
So you don't watch Subban is what you're saying. Roger. :P
I am based out west, so no I don't see him play that often. However, I'm pretty sure any objective observer would say that 2015-16 was his worst season statistically since probably his 2nd full season. And it sure doesn't help that he couldn't crack the world cup roster. Make no mistake, I'd love PK on my team. I just wouldn't trade, oh say, Taylor Hall straight up. PK doesn't have that kind of value in my opinion.
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Draisaitl and the 4th straight up for Subban is still not enough, and you're the first person I've seen suggest the thought :P. A genuine #1 defenseman like Subban is very hard to find and goes a big way, far harder to find than the player Drai could amount to. Plus Draisaitl has played good for approximately 0.5 seasons. Mind you he killed it in that time, but he is still unproven in my eyes. No GM in the league would make that trade. It's a laughable offer, and a classic lowball attempt. You're overvaluing Drai a lot.
You're probably right that I'm over valuing Drai given that he's only played 1 1/2 seasons, and yes, he was only really good for 30 or 40 games. I just don't think that Subban is so good that he's worth a 3rd and 4th overall, especially given the level of prospect Drai is and the 4th is expected to be. And Subban is coming off his worst season too, so his value is probably at its lowest right now.
So you don't watch Subban is what you're saying. Roger. :P
I am based out west, so no I don't see him play that often. However, I'm pretty sure any objective observer would say that 2015-16 was his worst season statistically since probably his 2nd full season. And it sure doesn't help that he couldn't crack the world cup roster. Make no mistake, I'd love PK on my team. I just wouldn't trade, oh say, Taylor Hall straight up. PK doesn't have that kind of value in my opinion.
If you base your opinion entirely on goal scoring you could make that argument. But Subban's play in other areas is far improved this season. He's a more well-rounded defenseman than ever. This was at the very least his second best season ever IMO.
As for not trading Hall, I see lots of people saying the Oilers would need to give up Hall + the 4th + Nurse to match Subban's value, so don't read too much. ;) That one I think would hurt both teams though and I don't believe it's fair. I just don't think Montreal and Edmonton would be able to reach a mutually beneficial trade here, so I think these rumours are almost certainly going to turn out fruitless. The only way this could work is if Montreal used a Subban trade with Edmonton to facilitate another trade to add more pieces, and I just don't think it's going to happen. Subban is far too valuable to Montreal right now. Him and Price (and if his development continues down the path, maybe Galchenyuk can enter into it too) are the saving grace of this team.
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When a team goes wrong like the Habs did last year, everyone on the team looks bad. It was not expected. This from a B's fan.
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Joe....heavily rumored that Boston is going to be the landing spot for Shattenkirk.....how you like them apples?
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My name is not Joe, but I'd take him for sure.
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Surely you can't be serious....
....and yes I would want him.
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that's what they are saying. That any team that trades for him would want him to commit to an extension beforehand and that being that he played at Boston College and he grew up on the East Coast.....Boston is a team that has a good shot at him. If the package is right. I'm near certain the Blues are committed to trading him...he's gonna cost a fortune now due to the Yandel deal...being that Shatty is IMO better and worth more than him. StL is not going to pay him that type of money when we are about to commit a ton to Schwartz, need the $$ for Paryako....so, might as well trade him and get what we can now. We have a couple young studs that are ready for full time play anyway.
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I heard that on local sports talk radio yesterday. I hops so. We need a #1 defenseman. Chara is not that anymore.
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Been a while since I've kept up much with hockey, but since I'm now going to be moving to Raleigh, where they actually have a team, I think I will ease back into it this coming season.
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Raleigh, where they actually have a team
But do they?
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Technically.
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Carolina has a cup win and a conference finals appearance in the last 10 years. That's more than Toronto has done in the last, like, 48 years.
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Eh, Toronto is going to be very scary soon. I would not be surprised if they won a cup within the next 10 years. Can't say the same for Carolina.
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That town would lose it if they won.
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For sure, haha. And I mean, I hate the Leafs, and their fans would be super obnoxious to deal with in the event that that happens :lol, but at this point I sympathize a bit. It's almost hard to take the rivalry seriously since they've been a joke for so long. It's nice to watch your rivals lose, but it's more fulfilling when both you and your rivals are doing well. But with the draft picks the Leafs had made and with acquiring Babcock and Lou, I think this will be the start of a new Leafs team.
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Habs unload Eller, acquire Shaw. I'm okay with this! Does having both Gallagher and Shaw make us the biggest pests in the league?! :metal
Sad to see Eller go though. I like him a lot.
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Eller killed the B's so I'm ok with this. :lol
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Eller killed the B's so I'm ok with this. :lol
Yup. B's killer.
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Yeah, he really turned it on against the Bs, haha. Overall though he was offensively underwhelming, although he's a defensive machine.
And Sergachev! The player I was hoping we'd get. I know it's weird saying this about a top 10 pick, but I believe him to be a sleeper. Best defender in the draft IMO. :metal
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
that's my only disappointment. We basically gave him away. I'm fine with handing it over to Allen. I think he's 'better' than Elliot skill wise.....he could stand to learn from Elliots mental tenacity though.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
At least it's a high second rounder, so it's not too bad.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
At least it's a high second rounder, so it's not too bad.
This just means Calgary will beat us in the playoffs next season....
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Shaw was definitely a good pickup for the Habs for the picks the gave up. An upgrade in offense on Eller, that's for sure.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
I'm not sure the Blues would have necessarily lost a goalie in the expansion draft. Depending on what happens with Fleury in Pitt, the Fleury/Murray tandem or Bishop/Vasilesky in Tampa would be stretched attractive choices for a tender. Blues are up there too, for sure, but Vasilesky is a top young goalie and Bishop is a legit veteran starter. They could be proper screwed in the expansion.
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Well, isn't Bishop already on the block? And Las Vegas still has to choose 3 goalies.
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Shaw was definitely a good pickup for the Habs for the picks the gave up. An upgrade in offense on Eller, that's for sure.
Yeah. Eller is better defensively, but Shaw will be better help for our offense while also helping clear up the logjam of centers we have among the low lines. Only worry are rumours Shaw is asking for a heftier contract than he's worth. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad.
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Well, isn't Bishop already on the block? And Las Vegas still has to choose 3 goalies.
That's true. It would be a total dick move though to pick 3 ready to start goalies, just to have to send one to the minors lol
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Love what the Flyers did with their trade today. Moved from 16 to 20, while still getting a player that we needed, while moving from the tail end of the 3rd round and early into the 2nd. Great move by Hextall.
Still pales in comparison to how Ken Holland fleeced that kid in Phoenix.
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Love what the Flyers did with their trade today. Moved from 16 to 20, while still getting a player that we needed, while moving from the tail end of the 3rd round and early into the 2nd. Great move by Hextall.
Still pales in comparison to how Ken Holland fleeced that kid in Phoenix.
At first I thought the same, but Arizona got the guy they debated over picking at 7. They unloaded Vitale and his $1.1 million, and just lose a late 2nd round pick, which history tells us won't likely become an NHLer, not to mention this draft isn't considered very deep outside the first round. They don't even have to pay Datsyuk, just have his number on the books for a year, which helps them get to the cap floor this year, probably the only team in the NHL that the $7.5 million is meaningless, even perhaps helpful too. They got Chychryn, who has the potential to be a very good dman in this league. That alone is worth it in my opinion. Arizona is going to be good in a few years if they can keep it together.
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So glad Bitten fell to the 3rd to us. I'm thinking playing in Flint hurt his stock, along with being on the smaller side. He should have gone early 2nd IMO.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
At least it's a high second rounder, so it's not too bad.
This just means Calgary will beat us in the playoffs next season....
I'm glad I'm not the only sports fan who expects these type of things.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
At least it's a high second rounder, so it's not too bad.
This just means Calgary will beat us in the playoffs next season....
I'm glad I'm not the only sports fan who expects these type of things.
Ha ha. It's just 'what' happens.....you've seen it.
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Victor Mete! Montreal is having a crazy good draft! :) Fell due to being a small defenseman, but he basically already has elite skating ability and is a crazy good puck mover. I feel like all my wishes are coming true this draft. :lol
EDIT: K, not happy about the 5th round pick. Staum looks like a big longshot. I'll trust the magic of the Timmins 5th round pick, but Stransky would've been nice.
EDIT 2: Now I'm starting to wonder if Stransky uploaded a video of himself smoking out of a bong on Twitter. :lol The guy could have gone in the 2nd round, probably should have gone 3rd. Yet here we are in the 6th and he's still up for grabs.
EDIT 3: Wild got Sokolov. Similar situation to Stransky.
EDIT 4: Stransky undrafted. WOW. This is insane.
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Blues traded Brian Elliot to the Flames for the 35th pick (second round) and a conditional 2018 pick. Wow....didn't see that one coming.
Just heard about this from three different people. Word is we would have lost one of our goalies in the expansion draft anyway, and they obviously see Allen as the long term guy, not Elliot, but still, I would have like to have gotten a little more for him.
At least it's a high second rounder, so it's not too bad.
This just means Calgary will beat us in the playoffs next season....
I'm glad I'm not the only sports fan who expects these type of things.
Ha ha. It's just 'what' happens.....you've seen it.
As a Jets and Rangers fan, I've seen it way too many times.
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Word around Pittsburgh is that the Pens plan on starting next season with both Fleury and Murray on the roster... I think that's the smartest move for the team. Someone will need moved before the expansion draft so the team can actually get something in return, but I think its a good idea to have both around to make sure you know what you have in Murray.
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I get the temptation for the Pens to move Fleury, but yeah I think keeping him for now is the right move. Love Matt Murray since he's a hometown boy (who's my age, so maybe I've met him before) but he's still unproven as far as I'm concerned. I'd love nothing more than to see him become a true star though. :)
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Yeah. Eller is better defensively, but Shaw will be better help for our offense while also helping clear up the logjam of centers we have among the low lines. Only worry are rumours Shaw is asking for a heftier contract than he's worth. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad.
Shaw deal is pretty reasonable in my opinion. 6 years at just under $4M per is a good number in today's inflated NHL market. What do you think as an actual Habs fan?
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Yeah. Eller is better defensively, but Shaw will be better help for our offense while also helping clear up the logjam of centers we have among the low lines. Only worry are rumours Shaw is asking for a heftier contract than he's worth. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad.
Shaw deal is pretty reasonable in my opinion. 6 years at just under $4M per is a good number in today's inflated NHL market. What do you think as an actual Habs fan?
The original rumours were 4.5 so I'm relieved. Some people are pretty mad about it but I basically agree with you. The term might be a bit long considering guys who play that rough on the body style he does tend to exit their prime sooner, but otherwise not too bad. He's the kind of guy I think can flourish in our system too. Hopefully I'm right!
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HALL TO THE DEVILS! :o :o :o Adam Larsson part of the trade. More details coming? Also, Chia has now trades the top 2 pocks from the 2010 draft.
EDIT: There are people saying it's a one-for-one. It can't be...
EDIT 2: It's a one-for-one. Pardon my French but what the FUCK Chiarelli? Apparently he hates that draft class because he's traded both the top 2 picks for hilarious underpayments. I understand the Oilers' need for a defenseman, but you gotta at least get more pieces than Adam Larsson. He's a great defender who hasn't reached his ceiling but Hall is one of the best left wingers in the NHL.
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SUBBAN FOR WEBER WHY WHAT NO WHAT WHY AHHHH I HATE EVERYTHING
EDIT: Alright initial rage period cooling off. Yeah, I'm done defending Bergevin. Subban is far better than Weber, and at a younger age. Nashville just improved drastically, and we've gotten drastically worse. I don't really care who we sign in the free agency, Montreal is a worse team now.
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SUBBAN FOR WEBER WHY WHAT NO WHAT WHY AHHHH I HATE EVERYTHING
EDIT: Alright initial rage period cooling off. Yeah, I'm done defending Bergevin. Subban is far better than Weber, and at a younger age. Nashville just improved drastically, and we've gotten drastically worse. I don't really care who we sign in the free agency, Montreal is a worse team now.
Yikes, yeah sorry man. That's not a good trade for Montreal...
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HALL TO THE DEVILS! :o :o :o Adam Larsson part of the trade. More details coming? Also, Chia has now trades the top 2 pocks from the 2010 draft.
EDIT: There are people saying it's a one-for-one. It can't be...
EDIT 2: It's a one-for-one. Pardon my French but what the FUCK Chiarelli? Apparently he hates that draft class because he's traded both the top 2 picks for hilarious underpayments. I understand the Oilers' need for a defenseman, but you gotta at least get more pieces than Adam Larsson. He's a great defender who hasn't reached his ceiling but Hall is one of the best left wingers in the NHL.
Yeah we lose that trade. Larson fits a need, for sure, but fuck me. Hall is top 3 at his position. Larson is not. DAMN YOU CHIARELLI!!
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That was one of the weirdest half hours in NHL offseason history that's for damn sure.
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Subban for Webber makes no sense from the Habs perspective. Sure, Webber might be more physical and a little better defensively, but he's quite a bit older and on a 30 year contract or something ridiculous like that.
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Agreed. Subban and Hall are MUCH better than Weber and Larsson.
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Montrelol
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I guess cronyism prevails over the team itself in Montreal. :P So strange how the "crazy" Hab fans ended up being right for once.
Subban for Webber makes no sense from the Habs perspective. Sure, Webber might be more physical and a little better defensively, but he's quite a bit older and on a 30 year contract or something ridiculous like that.
Weber in his prime was better defensively. Subban outdoes him now though. Weber plays the body like a champ sure, but when it actually comes to suppressing offense Subban wins pretty handily. Physicality can be misleading sometimes.
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sports radio here in Edmonton is going crazy right now. They're doing open line if you want to hear fans rant about how they're going to piss on Chiarelli's grave :rollin
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Bergevin is giving a press conference at 6:15 and I'm about 70% sure he won't make it there without getting ganged up on by an army of enraged Hab fans.
On the other note, Nashville's top 4 defense looks like something someone put together on NHL 16.
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Welcome to New Jersey Taylor Hall :D
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DAMN YOU CHIARELLI!!
Get used to it! :lol
Just wait till he overpays Lucic. WTF. He has now traded BOTH Seguin and Hall!
Lots of WOW going on and it's only Wednesday. Can't wait for Friday!!!
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I feel so betrayed. Defending Bergevin from crazy Hab fans all time. Now he's turned me into one of them. :'(
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Why would they trade Subban? I couldn't believe they were even considering it.
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I got Bergevin at first for at least listening to offers in case of a huge overpay. This is just horrible. Shea Weber is only better in all those really cliche overrated departments (MOAR LEADERSHIP, MOAR GRIT, MOAR BIG). Like at least Edmonton addressed an issue, albeit it's still a terrible trade for them. There are no upsides to this trade for Montreal.
On an attempt to have some sort of positivity: I welcome Shea Weber with open arms. He's still at least in the top 20 defenders in the league, and I love watching him play. I just wish it didn't happen like this. And I'll still cheer on Subban. Hopefully he racks up another Norris or two playing for a team who (hopefully) actually respects him. :'(
EDIT: My poor Gally. (https://twitter.com/Richardlabbe/status/748250587196686336?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) :'(
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DAMN YOU CHIARELLI!!
Get used to it! :lol
Just wait till he overpays Lucic. WTF. He has now traded BOTH Seguin and Hall!
Lots of WOW going on and it's only Wednesday. Can't wait for Friday!!!
Yeah I expect they already have a wink, wink, nudge, nudge agreement with Lucic given that he and Demers got the red carpet treatment from the Oilers when they were in town yesterday. Lucic will probably get a 6x6 contract, unfortunately.
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So, I just got home from vacation (and not checking news) for 5 days. Holy crap, two huge trades. The Habs/Preds swap is a toss up, but man, Edmonton gave away Hall. Larson is good, but not 1 for 1 for Hall good. That's still not on the level of fleecing Detroit gave Phoenix at the draft, but wow.
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The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up
How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted. :'(
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LieLow, I'll ask again. What's the backstory up there on why they'd trade Subban?
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LieLow, I'll ask again. What's the backstory up there on why they'd trade Subban?
My take? His generous donations to Montreal hospitals was making the rest of the team feel guilty, so they forced Bergevin to get rid of him.
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Other than what I said before? There were always rumours that the management hated PK for whatever reason. I'm not sure you could say that's totally a case, but it looks possible in hindsight. Honestly the only logical explanation which you can reach from looking at the past is that Habs management favours grit and "leadership" over skill. The future looks bleak. Price pls stay healthy so things hurt just a little less.
Also, Bergevin's wiki page has been wiped and replaced by "Failure of a GM". Guy has gone from hero to zero in a pinch.
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The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up
How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted. :'(
I completely agree with you dumb move by the Habs management.
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Preds get Subban for age 27-33. Montreal gets Weber for 31-40. I need to stop reading these things and making myself sadder. :lol
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https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957
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The Habs/Preds swap is a toss-up
How generous of you to try and sugar-coat this for me. But your effort is wasted. :'(
I'm not sugar coating anything. Right now Shea Weber is definitely the better defenseman, with a better shot. Subban has great offensive maneuverability for sure.
The Habs got a better D-man with a better cap hit. That said, Weber's deal goes on far longer, and he plays a physical style, so he might become a liability near the end of it. Subban should be as good or better than he is now for a large chunk of his contract. Habs are better off now, but Preds will be better off 3-5 years from now. It really is a pretty nice hockey trade, albeit a very shocking one.
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https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957
This is spot on. You're getting Lucic, you have a ton of young O, and you need D. It makes total sense to trade O for D, but this trade is awful.
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Sorry but that just ain't right. Unless you value defensemen entirely on physicaity and size there's absolutely no way to come to this conclusion with a good amount of knowledge on both players. :P There was a time when Weber was the best defender in the league, but he's nowhere near it now, and only keeps that reputation through people thinking hitting hard is how you play good defense. He wasn't even the best defenseman on his team when this went down.
Also, even the normally calming voice in Montreal writing has lost it. (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2016/6/29/12061824/a-justification-for-the-p-k-subban-vs-shea-weber-trade-what-the-fuck-is-going-on) :'(
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Shea's play will deteriorate very fast with his age. Btw Nick, look at his season last year. I see it with Chara over the last few years.
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Shea's play will deteriorate very fast with his age. Btw Nick, look at his season last year. I see it with Chara over the last few years.
Yeah this is the problem. If we were trading Subban for the Weber of a few years ago I'd still be sad because it's Subby and Weber's contract is still outrageous, but that would be fine because it would likely improve out team. Weber is on a rapid decline.
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Also his contract is going to 2026. Daaaaaammmnnnnnn!!!!
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Hey Joe, Chiarelli WTF?? :lol
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You listening to F&M? I love hearing Tony losing it.
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You listening to F&M? I love hearing Tony losing it.
Watching it. They made those announcements just as I was on my exit home. I'm going between them and the NHL network. I also have TSN's twitter feed up on my computer.
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Hall basically said he's taking trade as "an indictment of me as a hockey player". Clearly wants to prove Oilers made a mistake.
Now we have to play angry Taylor Hall 4 times a year. This day just keeps getting worse. :lol
EDIT: And there you have it. (https://twitter.com/ArponBasu/status/748274554951327746) ::)
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Hall basically said he's taking trade as "an indictment of me as a hockey player". Clearly wants to prove Oilers made a mistake.
Now we have to play angry Taylor Hall 4 times a year. This day just keeps getting worse. :lol
EDIT: And there you have it. (https://twitter.com/ArponBasu/status/748274554951327746) ::)
In Chia's presser he mentioned that Hall was pissed about the trade; thought he was part of the solution, not the problem in Edmonton.
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Poor Hall. He'll likely get a standing ovation on his first visit to Edmonton, then booed mercilessly every time he touches the puck afterward. Good thing NJ only comes to town once per season.
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I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him. :lol :lol
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I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him. :lol :lol
Don't even mention that. I would pass out. :lol
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I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him. :lol :lol
Kev, we took Ken Linseman with open arms. Chris Nilan as well sucka!! :lol
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I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him. :lol :lol
Honestly, everyone I know LOVES Subban, as do I.
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Kinda sad people are gonna be sour on Weber just because of the circumstances. I hate the trade passionately but I'm still hoping Weber kills it for Montreal.
EDIT: Press conference was a joke. Full of non-answers and Bergevin trying so hard to justify himself and not doing a good job at all. He basically said at one point "Shea Weber is a great player, but we can't tell you why". What?!
EDIT 498540: Obviously too early to make such a hasty statement, but I wouldn't be too shocked if it holds true (well almost, Roy would be worse). (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p-k-subban-trade-may-worst-canadiens-history/) I'd say it probably won't end up holding true, but if Weber keeps declining like he has been... But for the time being it's not like this trade effectively closes our cup window, although it definitely shortens it.
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Not looking forward to facing Shea's slap shot more often.
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Yeah, no use hiding the fact that there I do feel a shred of excitement. A shred in a massive sea of disappointment but, a little excitement.
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I don't blame you. He was the face of the franchise. He was the thorn in many teams side. It seems wrong.
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Yeah. At least one positive about Weber is that the East is less rough of a conference, so maybe that'll slow his decline a bit.
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I feel shamed to read that as a B's fan.
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I hate to make so many posts on this topic, but hear is a spreadsheet showing the cap recapture Nashville will incur if Weber retires prematurely or is bought out.
(https://i.imgur.com/FVONKh9.png)
If he retires a year before the contract ends, the Preds incur a cap penalty of $24,571,428!!!! If he stayed with the Preds, it'd only be about 3 million dollars. That would be absolutely crippling for Nashville. Not my team, but still how was something like this allowed to happen? :lol Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.
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Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.
Yeah, but they get the better player, so maybe that was the equalizer.
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Makes the trade very dangerous for Nashville.
Yeah, but they get the better player, so maybe that was the equalizer.
Yeah, exactly. You know they're confident when they're willing to risk such a potentially crippling penalty. Montreal could potentially threaten to buy him out for a trade back down the line. They could have Nashville by the balls, even if it's a dirty move.
EDIT: Scratch that. He'd need to be waived first. Oh well.
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Weber will start to trend downward in the next 2 or 3 years pretty significantly, like King said, comparably to Chara. Subban's got a lot more upside (aside from the fact that he is a better d-man right now) moving forward. I can't see how this trade made sense up in Montreal.
https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-oilers-don-t-get-nearly-enough-for-hall-1.517957
Great article, the chart there is incredible, showing Hall 3rd in 5-on-5 scoring over the past 4 seasons per 60...Behind only Sid and Benn. And you trade that guy, straight up, for Larrson?! No way...
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After the Therrien comment a while back that's become a recent topic (saying he'll never win a cup with Subban), it really seems that Bergevin values his friendship more than the team. Hurts as someone who has always thought he was a solid GM. That is assuming the comment is true and not a media member stirring up rumours. Although I wouldn't put it past Therrien. :P
Usually the day after a controversial trade I'm able to rationalize it and see the positives. I've yet to find them still. :P
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After the Therrien comment a while back that's become a recent topic (saying he'll never win a cup with Subban), it really seems that Bergevin values his friendship more than the team. Hurts as someone who has always thought he was a solid GM.
Usually the day after a controversial trade I'm able to rationalize it and see the positives. I've yet to find them still. :P
I've always had mixed feelings on Therrien... When he was with the Pens, I liked the majority of the stuff he did, except he is now famous in Pittsburgh hockey history for simply throwing his players under the bus. I have no problem with a tough coach who holds his room accountable for their actions, but I do have a problem with the way he did that publicly to the players when he was here. Seems like that trend has continued...
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Yeah I don't think Therrien is completely without his upsides. There are certain things he does well. His problem is his overvaluing of grit and physicality, and trying to gear a team that wasn't built for that style towards that. He benched Subban undeservedly several times as well, so it's apparent that Subban is not the kind of player that Therrien likes. Maybe on a different team Therrien could do well, but on teams like Pittsburgh and Montreal he will only hold them back. Not a coincidence the Pens won a cup as soon as he was let go. ;)
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Yeah I don't think Therrien is completely without his upsides. There are certain things he does well. His problem is his overvaluing of grit and physicality, and trying to gear a team that wasn't built for that style towards that. He benched Subban undeservedly several times as well, so it's apparent that Subban is not the kind of player that Therrien likes. Maybe on a different team Therrien could do well, but on teams like Pittsburgh and Montreal he will only hold them back. Not a coincidence the Pens won a cup as soon as he was let go. ;)
Totally agree, I mean he lead the Pens to the final in 08 before he was canned in 09, and did a lot of things well as a coach. To be frank, the room quit on him in 09. He publicly criticized them and the team wasn't doing well that year before the coaching change, it all equaled a fair exit for sure.
This was from a couple years before that, but its fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agL3NHgb8Rk
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I still remember that like it was yesterday. :lol
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:lol
Good stuff!
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WOW!
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I hate to spam, but wow what a telling article. (https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/suthie-canadiens-subban-could-not-handle-what-he-was/) The old-time hockey mentality needs to go.
Anyways, since I should probably stop the self-pity for a bit, the Hawks re-signed Roszival for some reason. :lol
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I hate to spam, but wow what a telling article. (https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/suthie-canadiens-subban-could-not-handle-what-he-was/) The old-time hockey mentality needs to go.
Anyways, since I should probably stop the self-pity for a bit, the Hawks re-signed Roszival for some reason. :lol
Definitely not spamming this is good stuff, certainly very interesting off season thus far. I know Canada as a whole seem to be stuck in the "old-time hockey mentality" but at what point does moving on from an old, out-dated model become obvious enough that they actually act on it.
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I hate to spam, but wow what a telling article. (https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/suthie-canadiens-subban-could-not-handle-what-he-was/) The old-time hockey mentality needs to go.
Anyways, since I should probably stop the self-pity for a bit, the Hawks re-signed Roszival for some reason. :lol
Yeah seriously, he sucks. Why they did that, I have no idea.
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I hate to spam, but wow what a telling article. (https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/suthie-canadiens-subban-could-not-handle-what-he-was/) The old-time hockey mentality needs to go.
Anyways, since I should probably stop the self-pity for a bit, the Hawks re-signed Roszival for some reason. :lol
Yeah seriously, he sucks. Why they did that, I have no idea.
Well whatever they're doing, they have three cups in six years to show for it. It's an impressive feat and the closest thing we have to a dynasty in the NHL since the Islanders and Oilers in the 80's.
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Well whatever they're doing, they have three cups in six years to show for it. It's an impressive feat and the closest thing we have to a dynasty in the NHL since the Islanders and Oilers in the 80's.
Truth. It's not a move I would have made, but who can fault the modern-day Hawks? Such a dominant franchise as of late.
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They did well, but that doesn't mean everything they do should be absolved of scrutiny.
Also, HAHAHAHA DID THE HABS ACTUALLY JUST SIGN RADULOV WHAT ON EARTH WHY
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They did well, but that doesn't mean everything they do should be absolved of scrutiny.
Absolutely, no team should be absolved of scrutiny, I just hesitate to scrutinize teams that have been so successful recently, I tend to give teams like that the benefit of the doubt.
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They did well, but that doesn't mean everything they do should be absolved of scrutiny.
Absolutely, no team should be absolved of scrutiny, I just hesitate to scrutinize teams that have been so successful recently, I tend to give teams like that the benefit of the doubt.
I guess, Roszival is just kind of a thorn in their side at this point. He's awful now.
Anyways, yeah looks like it's true. Bergevin, the man obsessed with character, just signed the craziest motherfucker in hockey. I'm excited because Radulov is an amazing player, but this is just hilarious. I hope his craziness doesn't manifest itself TOO severely.
EDIT: Montreal PR not confirming, but Yost has said so and LeBrun has acknowledged it, so if it ain't true I'll be surprised.
EDIT 2: PRICE'S KNEE IS AT 100%! HE HAS RISEN! BEWARE NHL!
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David Backes is a Bruin!!!!!!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal
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Okay so we got Radulov. Only a one year deal. I'm psyched. Super psyched. If it plays out to his potential we've a great UFA who will drastically help our scoring. If he doesn't it's only 1 year.
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I was hoping Subban would get traded to the Bruins so Boston fans would be forced to cheer for him. :lol :lol
Honestly, everyone I know LOVES Subban, as do I.
David Backes is a Bruin!!!!!!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal
If I were the B's I'd try to trade Chara and Krecji to Nashville for Subban. And I'd do it in a heartbeat. (I'm under no assumption that this would ever happen.)
And Backes has been on my radar for YEARS! I'm so excited!
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That's exactly what every Habs fan said about Semin. MontreaLOL.
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Well whatever they're doing, they have three cups in six years to show for it. It's an impressive feat and the closest thing we have to a dynasty in the NHL since the Islanders and Oilers in the 80's.
Truth. It's not a move I would have made, but who can fault the modern-day Hawks? Such a dominant franchise as of late.
Proud to be a fan 😀
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That's exactly what every Habs fan said about Semin. MontreaLOL.
You're right, if one risk does not work out that means no risk will ever work out. In fact, no one should ever sign free agents ever.
Yeah we said that about Semin, and we were right. He didn't work out, and that was that. Didn't cause much harm. You're acting like Semin left the team in shambles or something. Not only are they completely different players, but if Radulov doesn't work out I don't really care anyway. It's a one-year deal. We're in desperate need of a top 6 forward. If it doesn't work out, he'll be benched and that will be that. If it does, we'll have that forward. Radulov has a lot more potential than Semin. It's not rocket science.
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David Backes is a Bruin!!!!!!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal
Hate to see him go but it was pretty clear we weren't resigning him.
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Backes is one of my favourite non-Habs. Probably top 5. Sucks to have to cheer against him. ;)
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Backes is one of my favourite non-Habs. Probably top 5. Sucks to have to cheer against him. ;)
This makes me so happy to read. :biggrin:
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Backes is one of my favourite non-Habs. Probably top 5.
He was probably one of my To 5 non-Bruins. I am very happy with this. I hope he still has a few good years in him. He seemed kind of worn down in the Conference Finals.
Kev/Gary..any insight? I know the Blues have looked at changing chemistry the last few years.
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I love Backes, but he has slowed down a tick the last couple years. He was never a big scorer but had a couple 30 goal seasons IIRC. He'll probably be a 15, maybe 20 goal guy from here on out. He also has a tendency to lose his temper and take bad penalties, and also just take a few too many penalties in general, particularly for a captain.
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So basically from a Bruins perspective, it's like trading Loui Eriksson for David Backes. I'd do that all day long. The Bruins were way too soft last year.
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He lead the Blues in hits last year as well. He's not afraid to grind. The B's needed to be tougher, this helps.
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....and he saves PUPPIES!!! ;D
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Backes is one of my favourite non-Habs. Probably top 5.
He was probably one of my To 5 non-Bruins. I am very happy with this. I hope he still has a few good years in him. He seemed kind of worn down in the Conference Finals.
Kev/Gary..any insight? I know the Blues have looked at changing chemistry the last few years.
They are going young. Gonna sign Schwartz long term, Paryako is gonna cost them, we've got Fabbri and Rattie that are young. Backes is a great player but he's also played a lot of tough years. Tough to know how much he's got let in the tank for the contract he wanted. Boston got a heck of a player and an awesome person.
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As you guys know, I've been a huge fan of his. His peak years are likely behind him, but hopefully a few good years are left.
Sounds like Armstrong held a hard line.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/david-backes-with-emotional-frustrating-farewell-to-st-louis-blues-202319140.html
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I really hope Radulov is a changed man like he and most others say, and like Shea Weber thinks. Especially because he now has a son which he claims was sobering. He could actually end up making us better than we were.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmT0hbjWgAA_knl.jpg)
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It sounds like he almost signed with Montreal.
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As you guys know, I've been a huge fan of his. His peak years are likely behind him, but hopefully a few good years are left.
Sounds like Armstrong held a hard line.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/david-backes-with-emotional-frustrating-farewell-to-st-louis-blues-202319140.html
Armstrong has maintained that all along...and I agree with him. It'd be easy to get 'emotional' over Backes and offer him beyond what he's probably going to be worth. I think he's most likely got two years left at his 'normal' play....another year (or two) at a 75-80% of what he is now and then not much after that.
The Blues have a ton of young talent. The only thing we lose IMO is the leadership quality that Backes has....but we have guys that can fill that void. I'm mega bummed that he's no longer a Blue but I'm glad that Armstrong didn't handcuff the Blues financially to keep an aging player here considering what we have coming down the pipeline. I think it's a win win win....for the Blues... the Bruins and Backes.
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It sounds like he almost signed with Montreal.
Haha oh man. How does that even happen? I mean a Hab is a Hab and I'd still wish him well but you'd think if any player would hate the Habs... :lol Then again, he was interested because of the Weber pickup and also he's really good friends with Gallagher. Still, he's being drastically overpaid so I'm happy we didn't pick him up.
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Remember not shaking the hands?! :lol
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LieLow, look at these lovebirds!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ojjNFvBmGT8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Did you see that interview? :lol
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Oddly, even though I enjoyed his play, I never really embraced Backes fully. He wouldn't come close to making my all-time favorite Blues list. I am more bummed to see Brouwer go.
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I never really embraced Backes fully.
Why not?
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LieLow, look at these lovebirds!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ojjNFvBmGT8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Did you see that interview? :lol
I never saw the interview! I do remember the Twitter exchanges though. Hilarious. :lolRemember not shaking the hands?! :lol
All too well. :lol
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I never really embraced Backes fully.
Why not?
Not sure. He was just never a guy I was wowed or excited by, as a fan. I guess I just expect more from a captain than he always gave.
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I never really embraced Backes fully.
Why not?
Not sure. He was just never a guy I was wowed or excited by, as a fan. I guess I just expect more from a captain than he always gave.
I understand Kevs sentiment here. I think Backes was a good captain, but the negatives to his play are infuriating. Particularly some of the bad penalties he'd take. Players take bad penalties.....but he always seems to take them at the worst possible time.
As a Captain he sticks up for his teammates and leads...but to Kevs point, there was always 'something' missing or off?
Nonetheless Boston is getting a good player.
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Last year there was a lack of toughness on the B's. So I welcome the chippiness back.
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Last year there was a lack of toughness on the B's. So I welcome the chippiness back.
You'll definitely get that. He drills everyone who is anyone on the ice. It's fun to watch.
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The last to years with 10 point leads for playoff spots I've watched the B's crumble. No toughness, no heart. This is what they need besides defenseman. And boy do the B's need a lot of them.
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I feel sorry for the team that gives Kris Russell what he wants. 5+ million for a possession black hole.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmT0hbjWgAA_knl.jpg)
That photo was taken from the parking garage of my office building lol. I'm directly across the street from the new arena in town!
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Apparently, Bergevin isn't French, but North Korean!
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/former-canadiens-analyst-matt-pfeffer-clarifies-subban-trade/
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I sincerely hope these two things are just a coincidence, or else that is very worrisome.
On a side note, the Habs analytics consultant was the same age as me. God dammit. :lol
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Totally cool.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2016/07/18/phil-kessel-brings-stanley-cup-to-toronto-and-sick-kids.html
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Totally cool.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2016/07/18/phil-kessel-brings-stanley-cup-to-toronto-and-sick-kids.html
Good stuff, and good for Phil.
Since he came to Pittsburgh last summer, he has been a hard worker, a producer, and generally a big contributor to the Pens. Easy guy to root for. Don't understand all the hate he got in Toronto.
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Totally cool.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2016/07/18/phil-kessel-brings-stanley-cup-to-toronto-and-sick-kids.html
Good stuff, and good for Phil.
Since he came to Pittsburgh last summer, he has been a hard worker, a producer, and generally a big contributor to the Pens. Easy guy to root for. Don't understand all the hate he got in Toronto.
Toronto.
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:lol is that the answer to the question?
Because....Toronto.