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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #280 on: June 14, 2013, 02:16:38 AM »
...And if you're still wondering why girls who like Dream Theater don't post here, may I refer you back to the last page or so.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #281 on: June 14, 2013, 02:18:32 AM »
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #282 on: June 14, 2013, 02:27:38 AM »
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #283 on: June 14, 2013, 02:40:33 AM »
Why do people love Awake so much? Honestly, it would be in my 3 least favourite DT albums.

It's good, but it's not that great, imo.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #284 on: June 14, 2013, 02:50:08 AM »
Well, of course the ultimate judgement is yours and yours only, but Awake is an album that stood the proof of time enchanting both old timers and newbies such as me with careful musicanship, interesting lyrics and most of all a great musical variety attained while still drawing a coherent album picture.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #285 on: June 15, 2013, 01:33:29 AM »
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #286 on: June 15, 2013, 01:38:34 AM »
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #287 on: June 15, 2013, 11:22:25 AM »
Still find something new everytime I spin this album. Love it.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #288 on: June 16, 2013, 10:42:01 AM »
I'm starting to think that the two best songs on the album are Scarred and Space-Dye Vest. Heck, SDV feels like some other world inside the album. Its soundscapes really make a difference to all other DT discography.

But in the meantime, LSOAD doesn't really affect me at all anymore  :(.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #289 on: June 16, 2013, 10:52:52 AM »
I'm starting to think that the two best songs on the album are Scarred and Space-Dye Vest.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #290 on: June 16, 2013, 02:30:14 PM »
citation needed

Listen to the album.  If you can do this and not come to the same conclusion, well, then we can't help you. :biggrin:

This is my listening experience of Awake from start to finish, represented in graph form.


It would be a pretty good album if you lopped off the half hour of waste at the end.

You forgot the part where Lie is actually the only bad track out of all of those. And even that can be kinda catchy in the right moment/mood.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #291 on: June 16, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »
I've heard people say Scarred is the best of the album

I've heard people say Lie is the best of the album

I've heard people say Space-Dye Vest is the best of the album

I'm going to listen to Scarred and Lie all the way through. I've heard SDV many times.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #292 on: June 16, 2013, 04:31:56 PM »
What Super Dude said...

Lie is really the only clunker on the album, and I've personally never heard anyone say it was their "favorite" on the album.  (although I know that some do like it)

It took awhile, but LSOAD is now my favorite.  The way that song builds up is just *amazing*.   And the live version from the 1998 Xmas CD is even better.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #293 on: June 16, 2013, 04:34:20 PM »
I've heard people say Scarred is the best of the album

I've heard people say Lie is the best of the album

I've heard people say Space-Dye Vest is the best of the album

I'm going to listen to Scarred and Lie all the way through. I've heard SDV many times.
Lie is Awake's TDEN - relatively simple rocker, some people adore it, some people hate it, but most will only say it's the best on the album if they prefer DT's metal side to their prog side.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #294 on: June 16, 2013, 05:02:23 PM »
Lie is Awake's TDEN - relatively simple rocker, some people adore it, some people hate it, but most will only say it's the best on the album if they prefer DT's metal side to their prog side.

Nobody hates it. They LIE!
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #295 on: June 16, 2013, 05:10:13 PM »
I've heard people say Scarred is the best of the album

I've heard people say Lie is the best of the album

I've heard people say Space-Dye Vest is the best of the album

I'm going to listen to Scarred and Lie all the way through. I've heard SDV many times.
Lie is Awake's TDEN - relatively simple rocker, some people adore it, some people hate it, but most will only say it's the best on the album if they prefer DT's metal side to their prog side.

I love DT's metal side (TDEN is a fantastic song...and the only song I like from SC).   The problem is that Lie is just not a very good song.   DT's "metal side"...even on this album...is represented FAR better by songs like The Mirror and Caught in a Web.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #296 on: June 16, 2013, 05:20:06 PM »
Eh, I listened to them both, SDV is still my favorite on the album, even though it isn't really even DT.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #297 on: June 16, 2013, 07:12:27 PM »
Space-Dye Vest is my favorite, but I love Lie too. The lyrics have a great flow to them.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #298 on: June 16, 2013, 08:32:27 PM »
Lie is a fun rocker. Not bad at all. Quite awesome.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #299 on: June 16, 2013, 08:35:03 PM »
Lie is a fun rocker. Not bad at all. Quite awesome.

The main riff is so delicious.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #300 on: June 16, 2013, 09:46:15 PM »
citation needed

Listen to the album.  If you can do this and not come to the same conclusion, well, then we can't help you. :biggrin:

This is my listening experience of Awake from start to finish, represented in graph form.


It would be a pretty good album if you lopped off the half hour of waste at the end.

You forgot the part where Lie is actually the only bad track out of all of those. And even that can be kinda catchy in the right moment/mood.

Nope, didn't forget anything. You don't easily forget half an hour of an album being that unlistenable. :biggrin:
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #301 on: June 16, 2013, 10:30:28 PM »
Yeah, I don't understand the love for the album. Sure, lot of amazing tunes, but there's a lot of indisputable filler. How can such a bloated album be considered DT's best?

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #302 on: June 16, 2013, 10:35:09 PM »
Have to re-post seeing it's still at the top of the current threads   :)  Awake is in the top 2 of DT albums :)

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #303 on: June 16, 2013, 10:59:32 PM »
Awake is a pretty good album, I hardly listen to Lie though. I enjoy The Mirror, and prefer it live because they end it with mirror reprise from Lie, which is the odd musical thing they've done.  Innocence faded just climbed up the ranks for me. I love the atmosphere of the album overall, and the album art fits it perfectly.

I find it to be a good night album,  funny too since its called Awake.
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #304 on: June 16, 2013, 11:47:06 PM »
I don't understand all the dislike for Lie I'm seeing, but I also can't really separate it from The Mirror, so maybe that's it.

As for the album, I'd say it's usually Top 3 for me, with Scenes and whatever else I'm feeling at the moment.
But it's weird, because I wouldn't say there's a Top-Top-Tier single song on it.
The whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts, and I think what makes it so good is the consistent tone throughout.
And that totally makes sense, because Scenes is the same way.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #305 on: June 16, 2013, 11:52:45 PM »
I have zero problems with Lie. The only track I end up skipping is SDV. To me, it's like Awake is like having sex without a condom - it's fucking awesome and you feel triumphant as hell... and then SDV is like you smileed inside.. it's a pretty shitty ending to an awesome night of fucking.
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« Reply #306 on: June 16, 2013, 11:52:53 PM »
Lie is a darn good metal song, with good lyrics and two wicked ass solos by JP.  So yeah, I don't get the hate from some either, but my time online has shown me that almost every DT song will have its fair share of dissenters, so whatever.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #307 on: June 17, 2013, 01:18:58 AM »
Crikey. I really am out of touch with the DTF zeitgeist - Lie is far and away my favourite of Blob's "half hour of hatred." Followed, probably, by Space Dye Vest.

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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #308 on: June 17, 2013, 01:22:27 AM »
Half hour of hatred....... I'm stealing that one to use in future, if you don't mind. :lol
Lie would easily be my favourite of my "half hour of hatred" too, which is saying something.
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« Reply #309 on: June 17, 2013, 05:53:31 AM »
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Re: Awake is still better than every other Dream Theater record
« Reply #310 on: June 17, 2013, 05:58:24 AM »
Lie is a darn good metal song, with good lyrics and two wicked ass solos by JP.  So yeah, I don't get the hate from some either, but my time online has shown me that almost every DT song will have its fair share of dissenters, so whatever.  :biggrin:

The first time my wife heard Lie she said "this sounds like it was made for the radio". She couldn't be any more right, but I love the song anyway. It's super catchy. But  I guess we can't have catchy prog songs.

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« Reply #311 on: June 17, 2013, 06:06:40 AM »
Hey Mora, who's that in your sig? I must know!
It's Ytse Jam from Tokyo DVD, if I'm not mistaken.

And Awake is still the best DT album and one of the best albums ever IMO. I like dark atmosphere and how songs are linked but also all songs are incredible (Lie too ;) ).
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« Reply #312 on: June 17, 2013, 06:37:09 AM »
Hey Mora, who's that in your sig? I must know!
It's Ytse Jam from Tokyo DVD, if I'm not mistaken.
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« Reply #313 on: June 17, 2013, 08:23:55 AM »
Yeah, I don't understand the love for the album. Sure, lot of amazing tunes, but there's a lot of indisputable filler. How can such a bloated album be considered DT's best?

Sorry man, this topic is about Awake, not SFAM.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #314 on: June 17, 2013, 08:50:37 AM »
Yeah, I don't understand the love for the album. Sure, lot of amazing tunes, but there's a lot of indisputable filler. How can such a bloated album be considered DT's best?

Sorry man, this topic is about Awake, not SFAM.  :biggrin:

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