Red - Feed The Machine vs. DT - BMU, BMD

[gmillerdrake]

What about Flying colors? I think that the so-called mixture of U2, The Beatles and Yes might really work for a lot of fans. Also, Neal Morse is a part of it. 

That's the only upcoming MP project I'm even slightly interested in.

Same here. I am curious to hear it. At the moment...Neal Morse is the only redeeming factor for me with that project, I'd like to continure to support him.

[theseoafs]

Adrenaline Mob is pretty bad, but Flying Colors: WANT.

It has nothing to do with Mike Portnoy for me, honestly. I still only care about the music.

[ytserush]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

[Zook]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

[johncal]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

[Zook]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

If that were true, I probably would have baited him. We really don't need that crap again. Jackie just got back to posting again recently.

[johncal]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

If that were true, I probably would have baited him. We really don't need that crap again. Jackie just got back to posting again recently.

I was actually agreeing with YOU. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

[Zook]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

If that were true, I probably would have baited him. We really don't need that crap again. Jackie just got back to posting again recently.

I was actually agreeing with YOU. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

Ah, I see. 

[emindead]

JP's #1 album of the year? Red's.

[ResultsMayVary]

JP's #1 album of the year? Red's.

Thanks, Emmy, for the information.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

JP's #1 album of the year? Red's.

Does that mean you hate A Dramatic Turn of Events? 





Oh wait, we already knew that.

[emindead]

No, silly. This means that I got a RoadRunner's email that somehow wasn't on the Spam folder, opened it, clicked on the link that they suggested, laughed at JR's top ten, was pleasantly surprised with JM's #1 choice, then read JP's list, got a boner when I read that Adele was on that list, #1 spot seemed an enlightening moment to me because I remembered this whole Feed The Machine vs. DT - BMU, BMD, then proceeded to post it on DTF. To my dismay this was common knowledge by the time I clicked on "post."

[Jamesman42]

...

emin pls go

[BlobVanDam]

When in doubt, always assume DTF already knows.

[Lowdz]

JP's #1 album of the year? Red's.

Anyone who rates Steel Panther is ok with me. Can't wait to see JP jooin Satchel on stage for a shredfest. And just wait for the cock-rock lyrics on DTXII...

[emindead]

...

emin pls go

[kirksnosehair]

...

emin pls go

Point, where for art thou?

[ytserush]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

Are you saying this never happened or that you don't consider that it did of any consequence?

[Fiery Winds]

It's a subject that was debated endlessly already.  I'm sure the thread is still around if you search for it.

[theseoafs]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

Are you saying this never happened or that you don't consider that it did of any consequence?

*What are* these lyrical lifts?

[bosk1]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

Are you saying this never happened or that you don't consider that it did of any consequence?

*What are* these lyrical lifts?

Regarding ITPOE:  It is based on a (Korean, I think?) Manga called The Priest, which is pretty common knowledge.  He used some direct wording from some passages and paraphrased the story in others.  This is fairly common knowledge.

Regarding Six Degrees:  It was alleged (and when I say "alleged," I'm not implying that this is false; only that I have never seen it, so I cannot confirm or deny whether it was true) that, similarly, JP incorporated some passages from some medical or psychological case book(s) into the lyrics of SDOIT.

The long and short of it is, a few people were bent out of shape over it, a few people defended the band, and the majority responded along the lines of, "Okay, that's fine, but I really don't care." 

That's the short version, and I'm happy to have been able to clarify, but it is also off topic, so please, keep the thread focused.  Thanks.

[johncal]

We really have nothing better to do. My response proves it.

[Marion Crane]

Finally listened to the track.  While I see some structural similarities, I think if JP hadn't listed it as his favorite record, it wouldn't be an issue to be mentioned.  It's not nearly as close as Stockholm Syndrome/Never Enough or Panic Attack/Glorious or The Great Debate/Home/46 & 2.

[reneranucci]

Finally listened to the track.  While I see some structural similarities, I think if JP hadn't listed it as his favorite record, it wouldn't be an issue to be mentioned.  It's not nearly as close as Stockholm Syndrome/Never Enough or Panic Attack/Glorious or The Great Debate/Home/46 & 2.

Agreed!

[bosk1]

reneranucci, stop re-posting the same thing over and over.  You have already received a warning for ignoring my prior general warning in the thread to keep this on topic.  Search and find the appropriate thread to post it in, or if there isn't one, you may start one.

[TheLordOfTheStrings]

If it was a blatant rip off, I doubt JP would want to voice any personal connection to himself and Red's album, therefore he would have been smarter than to list it as his #1 in 2011. JP is a smart guy, he wouldn't make that mistake.

It's not a ripoff. MP is just jealous that they're doing perfectly fine (better, in fact) without him, and that he wasn't a part of that kick ass record, which is why he can't help but bash it every chance he gets to make him feel better about the fact that he wasn't a part of it.. If he'd just shut up for a change, I might actually feel bad for him, but he just keeps running his damn mouth. I used to look up to him. This is so disappointing.

[johncal]

If it was a blatant rip off, I doubt JP would want to voice any personal connection to himself and Red's album, therefore he would have been smarter than to list it as his #1 in 2011. JP is a smart guy, he wouldn't make that mistake.

It's not a ripoff. MP is just jealous that they're doing perfectly fine (better, in fact) without him, and that he wasn't a part of that kick ass record, which is why he can't help but bash it every chance he gets to make him feel better about the fact that he wasn't a part of it.. If he'd just shut up for a change, I might actually feel bad for him, but he just keeps running his damn mouth. I used to look up to him. This is so disappointing.

I think you just plagierized my response from earlier

[Kotowboy]

Just listened to both songs back - to - back.


The intro has a similar vibe and that's it as far as I can tell....


  LOLNOY

[Nel]

Just listened to the song... it's pretty good. Thanks for introducing me to it, guys!

[jammindude]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

Are you saying this never happened or that you don't consider that it did of any consequence?

*What are* these lyrical lifts?

Regarding ITPOE:  It is based on a (Korean, I think?) Manga called The Priest, which is pretty common knowledge.  He used some direct wording from some passages and paraphrased the story in others.  This is fairly common knowledge.

Regarding Six Degrees:  It was alleged (and when I say "alleged," I'm not implying that this is false; only that I have never seen it, so I cannot confirm or deny whether it was true) that, similarly, JP incorporated some passages from some medical or psychological case book(s) into the lyrics of SDOIT.

The long and short of it is, a few people were bent out of shape over it, a few people defended the band, and the majority responded along the lines of, "Okay, that's fine, but I really don't care." 

That's the short version, and I'm happy to have been able to clarify, but it is also off topic, so please, keep the thread focused.  Thanks.

RE SDOIT:   I saw a post someone made that was supposedly a scan of the medical journal in question.   If the source was legitimate, there were several lines that were lifted directly from the manual.     As to the validity of the source of the photo/scan....I have no idea, and I take nothing I see on the internet for "fact"...so take it for what it's worth.   I saw the document that caused to controversy....but it wasn't notarized.   

[ytserush]

I'm more distrurbed about the lyrical lifts from Six Degrees and Systematic Chaos.

Musical similarities happen all of the time but to take someone's (exact) words without acknowledging them seems at least dubious to me.

We don't need this crap again.

Are you saying this never happened or that you don't consider that it did of any consequence?

*What are* these lyrical lifts?

Regarding ITPOE:  It is based on a (Korean, I think?) Manga called The Priest, which is pretty common knowledge.  He used some direct wording from some passages and paraphrased the story in others.  This is fairly common knowledge.

Regarding Six Degrees:  It was alleged (and when I say "alleged," I'm not implying that this is false; only that I have never seen it, so I cannot confirm or deny whether it was true) that, similarly, JP incorporated some passages from some medical or psychological case book(s) into the lyrics of SDOIT.

The long and short of it is, a few people were bent out of shape over it, a few people defended the band, and the majority responded along the lines of, "Okay, that's fine, but I really don't care." 

That's the short version, and I'm happy to have been able to clarify, but it is also off topic, so please, keep the thread focused.  Thanks.

RE SDOIT:   I saw a post someone made that was supposedly a scan of the medical journal in question.   If the source was legitimate, there were several lines that were lifted directly from the manual.     As to the validity of the source of the photo/scan....I have no idea, and I take nothing I see on the internet for "fact"...so take it for what it's worth.   I saw the document that caused to controversy....but it wasn't notarized.   

Continued discussion of this should be done here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30292.new#new

[LTE3]

Not to worried about it as for me BMUBMD is the worst song on the album, but I like the Red version better.

[johncal]

Not to worried about it as for me BMUBMD is the worst song on the album, but I like the Red version better.

Sorry I just don't see either song as a "version" of the other.

[theseoafs]

Not to worried about it as for me BMUBMD is the worst song on the album, but I like the Red version better.

Sorry I just don't see either song as a "version" of the other.

Your view is correct.

[Kotowboy]

I wouldn't call BMUBMD as the worst song on the album as that implies the album is fall of bad songs, of which that is the worst.

Least favourite sounds better.

Not for me anyway, I like every song on the CD.

If I had to put them in order of preference, OTBOA would be at the bottom simply as i've heard it so often.