Parasomnia Timeline Thread

[hunnus2000]

Will do man, Jean Luc Ponty is fantastic, I never heard that album. I'll give it a listen on the drive to work tomorrow. Thanks for the recommendation.

I too am interested in your review. I heard this album when I was in high school and was floored. In fact, that's when I heard the genre referred to as "fusion".

[WilliamMunny]

Well I'm glad all us weirdos are here. Nice to have like minded people seeing how special DT are, btw Max you mentioned liking fusion. I was recently listening to Mahavishnu's "apocalypse" for the first time in years, and I forgot the insanity of that album!

Inner Mounting Flame for the win!!!!

[Max Kuehnau]

Inner Mounting Flame for the win!!!!

their first three entirely actually (TIMF, Birds Of Fire and The Lost Trident Sessions) They were massively influential to me as a player too (and to at least three of my heroes: Simon Phillips, Vinnie Colaiuta and MM)

[illusionist]

James just updated us from the DT HQ
https://www.instagram.com/p/C9x0x18yykN/?igsh=dnE4MXQ5M2J6dTAy

[TAC]

Good. I'm glad he's there and not doing this remotely.

[Max Kuehnau]

whatever works best for him

[Stadler]

I guess someone will set me straight with the actual details of how each record was recorded, but I'm under the impression that I like the output more when he's with the band and they're collaborating.  FOR ME, it's not what "works for him" only, but what works for achieving the closest output to the entire band's vision.

[Progmaniac1988]

brilliant. Check out Enigmatic Ocean by Jean Luc Ponty (who also appears on Apocalypse), which is that album times 10.

Well I gave it a listen. I've heard this before. Been over 20 years tho lol so I barely remembered anything. I definitely see why you as a drummer like it so much. Tight ass rhythm section! Steve Smith is a beast, Super funky, reminds me more of return to forever. Jean's violin playing is always a pleasure to listen to. Thanks for the recommendation man.

[Progmaniac1988]

I guess someone will set me straight with the actual details of how each record was recorded, but I'm under the impression that I like the output more when he's with the band and they're collaborating.  FOR ME, it's not what "works for him" only, but what works for achieving the closest output to the entire band's vision.

As far as I know the the only albums James recorded remotely are ADTOE, DOT, and AVFTTOTW

Outta those 3 I'd say ADTOE was his best performance. The other two aren't bad vocals at all, but not really memorable imo. So I'd say his best albums were done in studio. If any others were done remotely please correct me lol

Quick edit,
Just confirmed the astonishing was also recorded remotely in Canada

Not sure abt DT12, but i would not be surprised since every other MM era album James recorded in Canada

[Max Kuehnau]

James recorded DT12 *and View* (there were some photos of the View sessions on his Instagram if you want to have a look) with everyone but he recorded The Astonishing in Canada as well, so he actually recorded most of the MM era albums remotely. He wrote D/T with them in the room though (and he wrote View with them remotely, given the events at the time) He wrote and  DT12 with them mainly because of Richard Chycki engineering and mixing the album, so he was present anyway.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Inner Mounting Flame for the win!!!!

I always thought DT were one of the best bands as far as all members being virtuosos but those guys in their prime kind of make DT seem like the Beatles lol

[Max Kuehnau]

MP era DT yes, MM era DT no. (if that makes sense in some way) I usually wouldn't compare the two. (but I will say that Mahavishnu were very influential to almost any jazz and progressive musician beyond the 1970s, myself very much included, and indeed John, Jordan and MM)

[Progmaniac1988]

Personally I'd say both eras have their highs and lows of insanity moments. MM Era has some truly insane moments. Especially on Dramatic and View, but also some of the most stripped down moments, and MP era straight up has some of the best songwriting in the prog scene to ever be written period, plus some amazing playing as well! Yeah MP is not as precise as MM, but he's no slouch! He's a phenomenal creative drummer. Him and Mangini are very different, and that's ok and doesn't really make either any worse in my opinion... but yeah Mahavishnu is insane. The Lost trident sessions is an insane album as well. Those guys are masterclass musicians.

[Progmaniac1988]

I'm a lover of all DT for different reasons lol

Ps. This wait is killing me... give us a DT16 tease or even North American dates damn it! Lol

[Max Kuehnau]

Personally I'd say both eras have their highs and lows of insanity moments. MM Era has some truly insane moments. Especially on Dramatic and View, but also some of the most stripped down moments, and MP era straight up has some of the best songwriting in the prog scene to ever be written period, plus some amazing playing as well! Yeah MP is not as precise as MM, but he's no slouch! He's a phenomenal creative drummer. Him and Mangini are very different, and that's ok and doesn't really make either any worse in my opinion... but yeah Mahavishnu is insane. The Lost trident sessions is an insane album as well. Those guys are masterclass musicians.

yeah this was in reference to the (slightly) absurd nature of The Beatles aspect in one recent comment (not meant to pitch MM and MP) although there is some truth in it, since Mahavishnu were exploring very interesting rhythmic and melodic concepts on these (which as I said, Mahavishnu were influential to MM and Jordan) that MM era DT did expand on majorly for most of these albums (and then Gentle Giant as well of course) and and well, like The Beatles just were The Beatles MP era DT was what it was (and it now is)

[Max Kuehnau]

Well I gave it a listen. I've heard this before. Been over 20 years tho lol so I barely remembered anything. I definitely see why you as a drummer like it so much. Tight ass rhythm section! Steve Smith is a beast, Super funky, reminds me more of return to forever. Jean's violin playing is always a pleasure to listen to. Thanks for the recommendation man.

anytime. This album led to Journey grabbing him btw. And yes, Steve Smith is one of my heroes as well, and this album is why (amongst some others), although I'm not much of a Journey fan, firmly team Toto (although I respect what Journey did)

[Max Kuehnau]

I'm a lover of all DT for different reasons lol

Ps. This wait is killing me... give us a DT16 tease or even North American dates damn it! Lol

in case it may calm you, Peter Gabriel took 27 years and 8 months to make i/o (and he teased  it for another year) It won't be that long of a wait (then again, I'm a massive fan of both him and Sade, I'm used to waiting for long periods of time so this doesn't bother me at all , I can see why some here might be though)

[Progmaniac1988]

in case it may calm you, Peter Gabriel took 27 years and 8 months to make i/o (and he teased  it for another year) It won't be that long of a wait (then again, I'm a massive fan of both him and Sade, I'm used to waiting for long periods of time so this doesn't bother me at all , I can see why some here might be though)

Good point! I'd say in a couple months we should hear something. So that's better than 20+ years lol. This tour I'm really looking forward to also. My wife is even coming along this time. She never got to see this line up, and being that Octavarium is her fav DT album she's hoping they revisit that album. I dragged her to see them with me at least 5 times since 2011 (she's a casual fan, once was enough for her 😂) so this gave me a new reason to bring her along again haha.

[Max Kuehnau]

they apparently will play Octa yes (Jordan is apparently practicing it at this point as I read on here)

[Progmaniac1988]

they apparently will play Octa yes (Jordan is apparently practicing it at this point as I read on here)

Nice! Fingers crossed man, it'll also be the 20th anniversary of that album in 2025. So knowing them they will definitely revisit it.

[cramx3]

Yeah makes a lot of sense to pull that back out, very good news if it happens

[DT05]

I have a strong suspicion that DT16 will come out in November, maybe late October if the timing is just right, based on previous timelines of release. It's common for the mixing, mastering, and releasing to take around four months after the completion of recording. Autumn 2024 is my best guess, I can't imagine them sitting on the material they're recording this summer all the way until Jan/Feb 2025, but, it's also possible the label might want to debut the year with a big comeback. One thing is for certain: it won't be December. Every band misses out on end-of-year retrospective music lists and articles and rankings if they release that late in a year, which is why we see DT sometimes just waits until January if it gets too late.

WDADU - March '89
I&W - July '92
A - October '94
ACOS - September '95
FII - September '97
SFAM - October '99
6DOIT - January '02
TOT - November '03
O - June '05
SC - June '07
BC&SL - June '09
(the other albums post-Portnoy came out September '11, September '13, January '16, February '19, October '21)

Also a fun fact I never noticed until this moment: April, May, and August are also months we've never seen a DT release, despite being pretty good months for new releases. This album definitely won't be slept on until April and also definitely won't be coming out next month!

[Schurftkut]

JLB already said early 2025 was most likely

[efx]

This whole tour that's advertised seems to be focused on the history of the band and that plus mp's return is probably as big if not a bigger selling point than a new album.

It also extends things a bit more as they can later focus on the same markets with a new album in the bag.

[Progmaniac1988]

I'm thinking Oct 2024 single and album details/announcement (This single will probably open their Europe tour) Maybe one more single before the tour

Jan or Feb 2025 album release just before the North American dates. Maybe will add one or two more new songs to the set following album release...

Going off James comments that's my gut... I'm hoping I'm wrong and it all drops in Oct 2024 😂

[Mladen]

At this point, I think it's possible they're moving the release date all the way to April.

If they're doing an anniversary tour of Europe and South America in later this year, they might do two months in USA early next year, then do a smaller Japanese/Australian/Indonesian tour in early April, all of which could be the anniversary tour.

Then, once they release the album in late April, they could start planning the official album tour from the summer onward. That's two different tours to market. This seems more likely to me as time goes on than tour and album release co-aligning.

[BlackInk]

People seem to think that "sitting" on an album for just six months after it's recorded is such a baffling notion that it's by itself an argument that it must be dropping sooner. If it were six years, I'd be with you, but six months is nothing.

[geeeemo]

At this point, I think it's possible they're moving the release date all the way to April.

If they're doing an anniversary tour of Europe and South America in later this year, they might do two months in USA early next year, then do a smaller Japanese/Australian/Indonesian tour in early April, all of which could be the anniversary tour.

Then, once they release the album in late April, they could start planning the official album tour from the summer onward. That's two different tours to market. This seems more likely to me as time goes on than tour and album release co-aligning.

Honestly, this would be great! Because, if they release say January, then the tours following, will probably have a tour with a slightly different setlist to add the new album songs. Songs will be dropped from the first tour in Oct-Nov. I'd prefer to see 2 different concerts (with some overlap, I'm sure) by my fave band within 1 -2 year span.

[Jamesman42]

There is so much other good music out there, a 2025 release date isn't bad at all.

[illusionist]

There is so much other good music out there, a 2025 release date isn't bad at all.

Can you recommend us some good new music?

[cramx3]

Can you recommend us some good new music?

I know you didn't ask me, and I have no idea what your tastes are beyond DT...

I discovered this band and this new album released this year (although this track was released in 2023), this song is clearly DT inspired and that guitar solo is very much JP although the song and band are not really DT sounding.

ILLUMISHADE - HYMN (Official Music Video)

[Schurftkut]

Can you recommend us some good new music?

nospun is pretty awesome

[cramx3]

nospun is pretty awesome

Yeah, that's a solid album!

[Jamesman42]

Can you recommend us some good new music?

What do you like? Rock, metal, etc?

[hunnus2000]

I too am interested in your review. I heard this album when I was in high school and was floored. In fact, that's when I heard the genre referred to as "fusion".

BTW, a couple of fun facts about Enigmatic Ocean. Alan Holdsworth made a guest appearance on a few songs and Steve "Machine Gun" Smith was the drummer for the album. Before he joined Journey.