Parasomnia Timeline Thread

[Wim Kruithof]

and the vibe established on some of the best Falling Into Infinity tracks (New Millennium...[/b].

How on earth can one intertwine 'some of the best' with 'New Millennium', I wonder.

[Max Kuehnau]

So would I (in fact it's no secret that I don't listen to any of their MP era albums), but, as diverse as their discography is (to me that's a good thing), it's bound to happen that people will love FII (and indeed New Milennium or any other DT album that might be divisive to some) I don't understand why some people choose what they choose to listen to, but then again *they* might not understand why I only listen to MM era DT ever since he came on. No shame in any of this IMHO.

[TAC]

So would I (in fact it's no secret that I don't listen to any of their MP era albums), but, as diverse as their discography is (to me that's a good thing), it's bound to happen that people will love FII (and indeed New Milennium or any other DT album that might be divisive to some) I don't understand why some people choose what they choose to listen to, but then again *they* might not understand why I only listen to MM era DT ever since he came on. No shame in any of this IMHO.

How come?

[Max Kuehnau]

the more I progressed on my instrument, I began to notice any flaws in any kind of music (DT too), so why should I listen to something I don't enjoy? (in a nutshell), amongst other things (but as I said, I'd never judge anyone for liking anything MP does, I just don't (anymore))

[brakkum]

the more I progressed on my instrument, I began to notice any flaws in any kind of music (DT too), so why should I listen to something I don't enjoy? (in a nutshell), amongst other things (but as I said, I'd never judge anyone for liking anything MP does, I just don't (anymore))

huh?

[Max Kuehnau]

imprecise notes (they appear with DT too, especially when listening closely, which I always do with anything). No precision, no music, that's it. (very basically)

[WilliamMunny]

imprecise notes (they appear with DT too, especially when listening closely, which I always do with anything). No precision, no music, that's it. (very basically)

Entitled to your opinion, but when I think of DT, 'precision' is literally one of the first words comes to mind.

[Jamesman42]

the more I progressed on my instrument, I began to notice any flaws in any kind of music (DT too), so why should I listen to something I don't enjoy? (in a nutshell), amongst other things (but as I said, I'd never judge anyone for liking anything MP does, I just don't (anymore))

What is the flawless and exalted music you listen to??

[Progmaniac1988]

All are entitled to their own opinions. With me I am more attracted to what makes me "feel" and MP's playing personally does that for me. Mangini may be more precise, but I never got the same feels. I do see if someone listens to music more for what sounds more "perfect and on the exact clock" would definitely be more attracted to MM. That's just not how I listen to music personally. Nothing wrong if that's how some do. I think both drummers are brilliant in completely different ways. I just have my preference, as we all do. We can just agree to disagree in our preferences I suppose.

[Trav]

imprecise notes (they appear with DT too, especially when listening closely, which I always do with anything). No precision, no music, that's it. (very basically)

Well, you do call yourself an "emotionless brainiac".

[Glasser]

High expectation moments for me have always had great results. Scenes From A Memory, the comeback album delivered big and A Dramatic Turn Of Events, MM's first album was also very solid. So I expect the MP return album to surpass expectations.

[brakkum]

Man, waiting is the pits

[Progmaniac1988]

Man, waiting is the pits

No Joke... no DT album wait in the past has felt this long lol. I thought ADTOE felt like forever. This definitely has it beat now lol

[nobloodyname]

Well, you do call yourself an "emotionless brainiac".

Well, Max has previously explained he's on the autistic spectrum. Once I knew that, it became easier to understand his often unique and always fascinating perspective on Dream Theater's music.

[CraftyCaleb2483]

Entitled to your opinion, but when I think of DT, 'precision' is literally one of the first words comes to mind.

You got that right

[crystalstars17]

You got that right

I'm definitely in the camp that thinks MM is the more precise drummer.*

*Editing to say that this is purely from a listener/preference perspective, I do not play drums or know anything about drum technique.

[emtee]

It's been a really enjoyable last few months digging back into DT's discography. Can't wait for the new one.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

I'm definitely in the camp that thinks MM is the more precise drummer.*

*Editing to say that this is purely from a listener/preference perspective, I do not play drums or know anything about drum technique.

Don't worry. It is about as solid a fact you can find in the subjective world of music. I don't play drums either but it is clear.

[Max Kuehnau]

Well, you do call yourself an "emotionless brainiac".

I do (because both aspects are accurate descriptions of me in a way I think), but that was nothing I came up with, but rather that stemmed from what some people I worked with meant to be an insult towards me. I never did consider this to be an insult, and so I ran with it. Yes I do have a sense of humour. (which might surprise some people)

[Max Kuehnau]

What is the flawless and exalted music you listen to??

Kraftwerk, Sade, Toto (including any artist they worked for, because I know it won't sound naff), Steve Vai, Frank Zappa, MM era DT, 1970s jazz fusion and jazz fusion in general (in no order,I like to think my taste is broad, but you'll notice that most people usually would notice that most music I enjoy requires precision), and of course including any album my drumming heroes appear on (yes, I pick albums I listen to based on who plays on it)

[Max Kuehnau]

Well, Max has previously explained he's on the autistic spectrum. Once I knew that, it became easier to understand his often unique and always fascinating perspective on Dream Theater's music.

You are one of the very few to describe my perspectives in this way, seriously. If anything, the most common of reactions I get is misunderstanding and being called a loonie. (or worse, never here and not that I'd mind, but it happened more often than one might think) Or, another one of the classics (as it were): "You're not a "true" musician, you're an athlete" (or a computer programmer, you get the idea) I just brush it off and switch on my click and keep going

[Progmaniac1988]

I may not agree with your opinion Max, but I definitely respect it. We all should listen to music we enjoy. Whatever that entails. So if what you perceive as perfect precision is what makes you happy brother that's all that really matters. Definitely helped understanding your point of view hearing your explanation. I haven't been here long enough to know a lot of members more personal stuff, but I'm starting to catch on lol. As I've gotten older my needing to argue over differences in taste have slowed lol

[Max Kuehnau]

No Joke... no DT album wait in the past has felt this long lol. I thought ADTOE felt like forever. This definitely has it beat now lol

waiting for The Astonishing (and including the some of the earlier albums when I first became a fan, especially Met2) was up there for me too

[Max Kuehnau]

I may not agree with your opinion Max, but I definitely respect it. We all should listen to music we enjoy. Whatever that entails. So if what you perceive as perfect precision is what makes you happy brother that's all that really matters. Definitely helped understanding your point of view hearing your explanation. I haven't been here long enough to know a lot of members more personal stuff, but I'm starting to catch on lol. As I've gotten older my needing to argue over differences in taste have slowed lol

yeah I can see that. All I can say is that I mostly focus on how to play well (for myself that is) and if anyone here likes what I have to say, then that's nice too. And I'm well aware that the way I approach music is far from common, but it's what works well for me. (I might have stopped playing had I approached it the way most people do, no thanks )

[Max Kuehnau]

Don't worry. It is about as solid a fact you can find in the subjective world of music. I don't play drums either but it is clear.

yeah she's able to notice it

[Wim Kruithof]

And I'm well aware that the way I approach music is far from common, but it's what works well for me.

I'm in 'the strange camp' also. I only listen to Dream Theater 99% of the times and they're all that matters to me musically. One can call that odd also.

I've lived 35 years without knowing their existence, but once I came in (2017) they soked up all my musical interest. Nothing else matters anymore, not even Metallica. But - although I've never been diagnosed - I know deep inside I am somewhere in the Autism spectrum also.

[Wim Kruithof]

Bottom-line Max, I really am glad you decided to stay. I know you thought of leaving the Dream Theater-forum train but it is all these different colours that makes the painting beautiful. And you bring a unique colour to the palet.

[Max Kuehnau]

I'm in 'the strange camp' also. I only listen to Dream Theater 99% of the times and they're all that matters to me musically. One can call that odd also.

I've lived 35 years without knowing their existence, but once I came in (2017) they soked up all my musical interest. Nothing else matters anymore, not even Metallica. But - although I've never been diagnosed - I know deep inside I am somewhere in the Autism spectrum also.

nice pun action concerning Metallica And it's no secret that DT's music attracts all the weirdos (which is nice)

[Trav]

Max, hopefully you don't think my comment earlier was meant to be an insult. It wasn't. And while I obviously have a different view of music than you do, as long you find joy, that's what matters. I know my musical tastes don't match up with most here!

[Max Kuehnau]

No no, don't worry.

[Progmaniac1988]

waiting for The Astonishing (and including the some of the earlier albums when I first became a fan, especially Met2) was up there for me too

Astonishing I will agree felt like an oddly long wait! I went from homelessness to being married to my best friend and getting a condo between DT12 and the astonishing 😂

[Progmaniac1988]

Well I'm glad all us weirdos are here. Nice to have like minded people seeing how special DT are, btw Max you mentioned liking fusion. I was recently listening to Mahavishnu's "apocalypse" for the first time in years, and I forgot the insanity of that album!

[Max Kuehnau]

brilliant. Check out Enigmatic Ocean by Jean Luc Ponty (who also appears on Apocalypse), which is that album times 10.

[Progmaniac1988]

brilliant. Check out Enigmatic Ocean by Jean Luc Ponty (who also appears on Apocalypse), which is that album times 10.

Will do man, Jean Luc Ponty is fantastic, I never heard that album. I'll give it a listen on the drive to work tomorrow. Thanks for the recommendation.

[BlackInk]

The high scream things from James I can remember are one of the verses in the background on In The Name of God, and the choruses to Build Me Up, Break Me Down. Both cool, but I didn't find them necessary.

Man that verse in In the Name of God is such a badass part. One of the more intense moments of their discography and it's achieved completely without going ballistic on speed.