2012-08-19/20 - Luna Park - Buenos Aires, ARG (being filmed for DVD)

[nikatapi]

Thanks for the update Nekov, i hope you have a kickass time tonight!

[hefdaddy42]

The Spirit Carries On... bleh, but it is kind of the flagship song of their current "era." It's what they called the drummer doc, I'm not at all surprised they brought it back out.

From seeing them twice on this tour, I can tell you that it also gets a tremendous crowd reaction, and JP, James, and Jordan are incredibly jazzed about playing it each night. After the last SF show, Yesh commented to James backstage about the crowd reaction, and James' face just lit up and he started going on about how he just soaks in the crowd reaction each time they play it.  It truly has become a concert staple that the band really feels creates a bond between them and the fans when they play it.  So there's literally no way it wasn't going to be included on the DVD.  To the band, it's much more than "just another song" to fill a spot in the set list.  They truly view it as a very special song and one of the high points in their shows (and for those at the shows, it really is, which we tend to forget when we're, again, looking at set lists on the Internet and seeings songs on there that we've listened to so many times that we forget the emotional impact they can have in a live setting).

Exactly.  I should be surprised that some fans don't get this...but I'm not.

I can only speak for myself.  I love the song, and if I were at a concert, I would love to see it live.  But for this, I'm not a concert-goer, I'm just a consumer, and I already have 2 great performances of the song on DVD that are different from each other and memorable in their own rights.  From that perspective, unless there is something new again for this one, it will just be a repeat.  That's all I'm saying.

[bosk1]

I get that.  But if it wasn't DT, would this conversation even be happening?  I mean, if Rush put out another DVD next year, would they leave off Tom Sawyer?  If Journey did one, would they leave off Don't Stop Believin'?  And so on.  I know it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges with DT, since they have always done things a bit differently.  But TSCO is probably as close to a concert staple for them than anything else they have, so I certainly can't begrudge them for repeating it--especially given how relatively little repetition of songs they have on their live releases as a whole. 

[KevShmev]

Yep, yep.  I think some fans get too wrapped up in every DVD having to have no or almost no repeats from previous DVDs.  What's really odd is some not liking the idea of The Spirit Carries On being on 3 of the last 5 DVDs, while not saying a word about The Dark Eternal Night (a song far less popular) possibly make a 2nd consecutive one.  If The Dark Eternal Night (which I am sure is a fun live tune) is good enough to make two straight live DVDs, and WIMH/Test is good enough to make 3 out of 4, then The Spirit Carries On, a song that always goes over well live, is more than good enough to make 3 out of 5.

[bosk1]

I'll just add one more brief point:  This tour cycle has been terrific.  It really has.  Unless you just hate the new album, I think the song selection really had a lot to please almost any fan.  The performances were tight.  The production has been very good.  And the band has such a tremendous positive energy.  Unless I am misunderstanding the band's intent, the point of this live release is to capture all of that--not necessarily to simply throw out a collection of live rarities and surprises.  As a fan, I think the goal of capturing this most recent tour is a worthy one, and is basically the same goal most bands have for most live releases.  What we're getting is a high quality representation of a high quality tour.  I don't really see much room for legitimate disappointment in that.

[Nekov]

I think they will put TSCO in the new release. It was by far the song that got the best reception from the crowd and it also seemed to be the song they enjoyed playing the most.

[Jamariquay]

Yep, yep.  I think some fans get too wrapped up in every DVD having to have no or almost no repeats from previous DVDs.  What's really odd is some not liking the idea of The Spirit Carries On being on 3 of the last 5 DVDs, while not saying a word about The Dark Eternal Night (a song far less popular) possibly make a 2nd consecutive one.  If The Dark Eternal Night (which I am sure is a fun live tune) is good enough to make two straight live DVDs, and WIMH/Test is good enough to make 3 out of 4, then The Spirit Carries On, a song that always goes over well live, is more than good enough to make 3 out of 5.

The Dark Eternal Night has never appeared on a DVD release before.

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THE DARK ETERNAL NIGHT HAS NEVER APPEARED ON A DVD RELEASE BEFORE.

[Shadow2222]

The only songs I'm not thrilled about reappearing are WIMH/TTTSTA. TSCO can keep appearing on DVDs, and I will enjoy it each time 

[BlobVanDam]

I get that.  But if it wasn't DT, would this conversation even be happening?  I mean, if Rush put out another DVD next year, would they leave off Tom Sawyer?  If Journey did one, would they leave off Don't Stop Believin'?  And so on.  I know it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges with DT, since they have always done things a bit differently.  But TSCO is probably as close to a concert staple for them than anything else they have, so I certainly can't begrudge them for repeating it--especially given how relatively little repetition of songs they have on their live releases as a whole. 

But TSCO isn't anywhere near DT's Don't Stop Believin' etc. In the recent top 10 thread, it didn't even crack the top 25. Granted, we aren't entirely representative of the fanbase, but that's a pretty big margin of difference we're talking here.
If it was Metropolis or PMU etc we were talking about here, sure, but I don't place TSCO in that same category of being worth that many releases without adding something fresh to it, and it's probably my favourite individual song from SFAM (and I love the song).

I don't mind them playing it a lot in their live rotation each tour, as it is a very uplifting live song, but considering how many other great songs aren't going to be on this DVD, I don't think it was the best choice. It's not that I'm expecting 100% new songs, as there's still plenty new to offer here with JLB in top form and MM being the kit, but TSCO isn't really a song we need to hear that many times considering that both the Score and LSFNY versions could be considered pretty definitive live versions.

[Sketchy]

I like WIMH/TTTSTA. I'm looking forward to them. >_>

[MoraWintersoul]

The Dark Eternal Night has never appeared on a DVD release before.

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THE DARK ETERNAL NIGHT HAS NEVER APPEARED ON A DVD RELEASE BEFORE.

I'll smile if I get more than a bear hug 

Fine, fine, I'll bake you a batch of cookies.

[bosk1]

*snip!*

I know we're pretty liberal in allowing links to video and audio from shows.  But just as a reminder:  We do NOT allow any bootleg material whatsoever from shows that are planned for an official label or Ytsejam release.  Please do not post them.  Obviously, we can't stop them from being posted on YouTube, but just because something is on YouTube doesn't mean it's fair game.  I know we're all excited about these shows and want to get a "sneak peek" at what we'll be seeing on the DVD, but just be patient.  Thanks.

I truly am sorry about that. I joined the forum not long ago, so I'm not familiar with all the rules yet. Thanks again for the prescription! 

No worries.  Thanks for your understanding.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

This just in: James LaBrie/John Myung solos tomorrow night. Haven't heard much yet, aside from the word "scat" being thrown around.

I can just imagine it, James doing something to the effect of Clark Terry's "Mumbles"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJuFDvH8wGs

That was awesome! 

[John94]

I hope tonights show setlist is from the European 2011 leg, opening with UAGM etc. Swapping TCOT for Wait for Sleep and Far from Heaven (and maybe Vacant/Wither)

Hope the encore will be Learning to Live!

[?]

Tonight's setlist will most likely be the same as in Bogota, possibly with a few changes. I think they want the DVD to include songs that actually got played on this tour so I'm not expecting lots of rarities or extravaganza. Well, they already have a pretty good selection of songs even if they don't pull out any surprise songs. I mean, we will (probably) get 6:00, Caught in a Web, A Fortune in Lies, These Walls, acoustic stuff with a string quartet etc. I'm not a huge fan of TTTSTA or Spirit but as long as the songs I mentioned in the previous sentence get included on the release, I don't mind hearing those 2 on yet another release.

[bosk1]

Hope the encore will be Learning to Live!

That would be cool, but I'm betting on Pull Me Under.  Two reasons:  PMU is what they have been playing this leg when they don't play Metropolis.  AND, I think we'll probably get Far From Heaven and Breaking All Illusions.  Given that we'll almost certainly get Wait For Sleep as part of the "accoustic" set, it would be kinda weird to do LTL.  But I could very well be wrong, so I guess we'll see.

Tonight's setlist will most likely be the same as in Bogota, possibly with a few changes.

I think you're right, and I would be totally cool with that.  However, subjectively, I hope they sub out ALL of the non-ADTOE songs and don't duplicate ANY from the previous night.  And while they're at it, they could even further maximize the number of songs in the DVD if the only songs they duplicated from ADTOE were Bridges and OTBOA.  I seriously doubt those will be the only duplicates, but it would be cool if the sets were that different.

[Perpetual Change]

Maybe what they'll do tonight depends on how last night went. For example, if the performance of the ADTOE songs were great, maybe they will sub them all out tonight. Or, if not, maybe they'll repeat some. I'll be happy if we just get set B, too.

I will say this, though: from the looks of it, there's going to be very little, if any, BC&SL material performed on this DVD. I think that's kinda odd, since none of it has been captured on DVD yet and it's not like they overplayed it last tour-cycle either.

[bosk1]

I will say this, though: from the looks of it, there's going to be very little, if any, BC&SL material performed on this DVD. I think that's kinda odd, since none of it has been captured on DVD yet and it's not like they overplayed it last tour-cycle either.

I'm pretty sure there will NOT be any BCSL material.  I don't find it odd in the context of the fact that they haven't played any of it this tour (other than TCOT very early on in Europe only, and I agree that it is too long to repeat here given the number of songs they would like to play).  And while I do get what you are saying in the abstract, given the big picture, they really are somewhat limited in what would have been likely to show up in the set.  The only thing that looks like it would have been a realistic option would be ANTR.  As for the other songs, here's my take:
-AROP:  It's short enough to easily fit in a set list.  But they DID play it every song on the BCSL tour, so I understand them giving it a rest.  And although it's a good song, it's not a great song.  I don't see the need for them to have brought it out.
-Wither:  Good song, but they are pretty ballad heavy as it is, so it would have been tough to justify this one.
-TSF:  I would love to see it some day, but I just didn't see them playing it this tour cycle, if at all.
-TBOT:  Whether one agrees or disagrees with the rationale, I think we all at least understand that given that the lyrics are so literal and so personal to MP, this would have been incredibly unlikely.
-TCOT:  Great song, but too long.  I wouldn't be shocked if we got a YJR release of one of the shows with this song.

[Dekost]

I will say this, though: from the looks of it, there's going to be very little, if any, BC&SL material performed on this DVD. I think that's kinda odd, since none of it has been captured on DVD yet and it's not like they overplayed it last tour-cycle either.

Well if you think about it ANTR is too long, AROP is a single and since BMUBMD is in the setlist it's not gonna be played, Shattered Fortress is also long and would be weird for them to play without Portnoy and out of the 12 steps suite (imo), BOT is for MP's father's dead and would be kinda awkward for them to play as well. Wither maybe could be played, but since we've already got the acoustic/piano interlude + Spirit Carries On, probably there's no space for another ballad. I would love to see Count of Tuscany played though, but that's also very long piece and would preclude the possibility of playing at least 3 songs in the same period of time..

[dodido253]

I'm pertty sure that tonight CIAW , Fatal Tragedy and These walls will be played 

[BlobVanDam]

I hope you're all right with the These Walls guess/prediction. An incredible song that I'd love to hear live in good quality, and it's not going to eat a lot of set time either.

[MoraWintersoul]

Hope the encore will be Learning to Live!

That would be cool, but I'm betting on Pull Me Under.  Two reasons:  PMU is what they have been playing this leg when they don't play Metropolis.  AND, I think we'll probably get Far From Heaven and Breaking All Illusions.  Given that we'll almost certainly get Wait For Sleep as part of the "accoustic" set, it would be kinda weird to do LTL.  But I could very well be wrong, so I guess we'll see.

Tonight's setlist will most likely be the same as in Bogota, possibly with a few changes.

I think you're right, and I would be totally cool with that.  However, subjectively, I hope they sub out ALL of the non-ADTOE songs and don't duplicate ANY from the previous night.  And while they're at it, they could even further maximize the number of songs in the DVD if the only songs they duplicated from ADTOE were Bridges and OTBOA.  I seriously doubt those will be the only duplicates, but it would be cool if the sets were that different.

I'm hoping for LTL but I think that won't happen. Also, I think they're going to duplicate BAI too, and possibly even LNF? What do you guys think?

[bosk1]

Yeah, I mean they played 7 ADTOE songs last night.  I'm sure we'll get anywhere from 5 to 7 tonight, which leaves anywhere from 1 to 3 other than OTBOA and BITS that will be repeated.  BAI is likely to be one of them.

[Ben_Jamin]

I just want a good quality live release of LTL and its F#. If they did it as an encore...the crowd woahs at the end shall be Epic.

[nikatapi]

I just want a good quality live release of LTL and its F#. If they did it as an encore...the crowd woahs at the end shall be Epic.

Yeah LTL would be awesome, given James' very good vocal condition. It was amazing when they played it in Athens, almost brought me to tears.

[Zydar]

If I can get LtL and BAI on the same DVD, I can die a happy Zydar.

[Adami]

Is Nekov going tonight as well?

If not, is anyone posting the setlist so that I might complain?

[Zydar]

I believe he has a ticket for tonight as well.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Given that it's pretty unlikely that any BC&SL material will be on the dvd, I wonder if they'll keep putting that album off from the dvds for a few years until they randomly put TCOT or any of the others on a dvd and it totally kills.....

[Onno]

I just want a good quality live release of LTL and its F#. If they did it as an encore...the crowd woahs at the end shall be Epic.

If they'd play that and it would be included on the DVD, it'll make my day/month/year/whatever.

[Jamariquay]

My guess for tonight:

Bridges In The Sky
Caught In A Web
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This Is The Life
These Walls
Lost Not Forgotten
A Fortune In Lies
Wait For Sleep (with string quartet)
Far From Heaven (with string quartet)
Outcry
Surrounded
On The Backs Of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
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Pull Me Under

Personally, I hope I have quite a bit of this wrong, but it'd still be a cool set for the DVD. I think the most realistic alteration here would be To Live Forever or Another Day instead of Surrounded or A Fortune In Lies, or Learning To Live for Pull Me Under, but we'll see.

[tuto]

We will for sure get Build Me Up, Break Me Down tonight. Thats the other album single, so they will surely play it. Plus, it is an awesome tune

[KevShmev]

Ideally, it would be cool if they busted out a song they haven't played all tour yet, but it would be a song Mangini is not that familiar with yet, and it probably doesn't make sense to debut that song with him live at a show that will be recorded for a live DVD/Blu-Ray, especially given their comments over the past year about being more comfortable with songs they are playing frequently vs. the old days of pulling songs out of nowhere and them not being as refined and precise simply because their lack of live play.

[GasparXR]

If any surprise songs are pulled, it's probably To Live Forever, or one of the audition songs that are not TSCO. ANTR might be too long, but TDOE would fit nicely. Damn that would be awesome to have another DVD rendition of that.

[IdoSC]

God, the footage from this show. I love the energy from the crowd.

One gripe: James sang "A shell of what things MIGHT have been" in Beneath the Surface >< Also there seems to be a part in TSCO I think where his mic suddenly shut down for 3-4 words.

Also, I hate it that they play Surrounded and The Dark Eternal Night again. I know they've been in many of this tour's legs and I know they couldn't change much for a DVD, but honestly, I'd rather have obscure songs from IAW and SC like Another Day, the full version of Take the Time or even Under a Glass Moon, and from SC Prophets, or a song that I like to listen to better like Forsaken.
Or better yet, any song from BCSL. Without showing too much love for MP, he would've never ignored a whole album that didn't have any song to represent it in a live DVD yet when they make a new release.