2012-08-19/20 - Luna Park - Buenos Aires, ARG (being filmed for DVD)

[cyberdrummer]

Discussion of the show, special treats for the dvd, setlist etc.

[Adami]

Night 1 - Same setlist as every other show this tour.

Night 2 - Same setlist with 2-3 different songs.

[cyberdrummer]

I think there'll be more than 2-3 songs changed for the second night. I think we'll see one or two serious surprises too. After all, JLB said it was going to be 'stellar'.

[wolfandwolfandwolf]

Did I also read that they would be playing the whole album between both nights?

[ResultsMayVary]

Did I also read that they would be playing the whole album between both nights?

Yep, JP said that.

[chrisbDTM]

well they played the whole album between the last 2 US legs, so it makes sense to get it on the DVD

[wasteland]

Night 1 - Same setlist as every other show this tour.

Night 2 - Same setlist with 2-3 different songs.

I like how you're always hyped for the future 

[bosk1]

Yes, so they'll have to change more than 2-3 just for the ADTOE songs, let alone the songs from other albums.  From ADTOE, I believe the only songs they have played at EVERY show on the tour are OTBOA and BITS.  I would expect that they will play those two both nights, and rotate the other 7 songs (3 on one night; 4 on the other).  Not sure what they'll do for the others.  We know they aren't playing TCOT.  Removing that from the list, and removing songs that were only one-off's, they have played 24 non-ADTOE songs since the tour began.  That's a lot of material to choose from.  There's no way they can play it all, but if we got 12-15 of those, we're looking at a pretty diverse, and pretty long DVD.

[wasteland]

James clarified that both shows are to be filmed. I always took this as if it meant that both shows are to be fully released. Is this confirmed or is it just wishful thinking? I really hope they don't do a mashup of the two performances...

[ResultsMayVary]

James clarified that both shows are to be filmed. I always took this as if it meant that both shows are to be fully released. Is this confirmed or is it just wishful thinking? I really hope they don't do a mashup of the two performances...

They will likely do a mashup because I doubt they will play two completely independent sets over both nights. But after saying that, I think we will get 2-3 songs that are similar (BITS, OTBOA, etc).

[bosk1]

No, I don't think both shows will be fully released.  There will be duplication for sure, and it wouldn't make sense to include duplicate performances of the same songs.  As I said, they'll for sure duplicate 2-3 songs from ADTOE. 

Given the logistics of practicing and playing songs for a video release, and given what DT have a history of doing in that regard, it makes sense to me that the set lists will probably be based in large part on what they have been playing for this recent leg of the tour.  They've been playing about 14-15 songs per set.  Figure 2-3 duplicates from the ADTOE songs.  Maybe 3-4 duplicates of non-ADTOE songs.  That leaves 7-10 songs per set that would be swapped, which I believe is a very high number--probably too high.  But if that estimate is correct, that would mean a total of anywhere from 21 to 25 different songs for a DVD.  That's a lot of songs. 

[Adami]

No, I don't think both shows will be fully released.  There will be duplication for sure, and it wouldn't make sense to include duplicate performances of the same songs.   

Not unless you're Iced Earth and release a DVD set of 3 concerts with essentially identical set lists lol.

[wasteland]

No, I don't think both shows will be fully released.  There will be duplication for sure, and it wouldn't make sense to include duplicate performances of the same songs.  As I said, they'll for sure duplicate 2-3 songs from ADTOE. 

Given the logistics of practicing and playing songs for a video release, and given what DT have a history of doing in that regard, it makes sense to me that the set lists will probably be based in large part on what they have been playing for this recent leg of the tour.  They've been playing about 14-15 songs per set.  Figure 2-3 duplicates from the ADTOE songs.  Maybe 3-4 duplicates of non-ADTOE songs.  That leaves 7-10 songs per set that would be swapped, which I believe is a very high number--probably too high.  But if that estimate is correct, that would mean a total of anywhere from 21 to 25 different songs for a DVD.  That's a lot of songs.

I undestand your point, and you are totally right, but I wouldn't mind having some repeats just for the sake of keeping the two performances separate. I would really like to feel the flowing of the concert, from the very beginning to the end, as in LAB and Score, and not being seemingless teleported from one night to the other when a certain songs comes to its conclusion. I don't know if I made my point clear...

[bosk1]

Yeah, it's not like it's unprecedented.  But it's not the norm either.  I guess I wouldn't be shocked if they just released both nights in their intirety.  I just see that as the least likely scenario.

[Unlegit]

Maybe the songs that don't make it on to the main release will be released on Ytse Jam?

[wasteland]

Maybe the songs that don't make it on to the main release will be released on Ytse Jam?

Sure, but it's more likely that they will be eventually released as part of other key performances than as outtakes of the DVD shooting. It's not they have not ever done that (OYALT outtakes were released as an IFC release), but I think it's an extremely unlikely possibility.

[jcmistat]

Is it too optimistically crazy to think both nights will be completely different? A 28-30 song 2 night release?

[jonny108]

Also isn't this an indoor venue.  James was saying it's an outdoor gig.

[Zydar]

I hope it will be dark outside when they do the gig, I don't like it when bands have gigs in broad daylight.

[TAC]

I hope it will be dark outside when they do the gig, I don't like it when bands have gigs in broad daylight.

I love how Bucharest starts out at dusk with a little daylight left and then the night turns dark.

[Mladen]

I hope they start at daylight, and then mix the songs up on the DVD, so when you play the DVD they go light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark to light...

























Predictable?

[Zydar]

Clever

[nikatapi]

Predictable?

Desirableeeeeeeee!!!!

[Shadow2222]

We know they aren't playing TCOT.

Sorry, but I've been kind of out of the loop lately regarding DT. Was there confirmation that TCOT will not be played at this show, or are we just assuming based on the fact that it hasn't been in the setlist for quite awhile? I would be very disappointed if some BC&SL songs aren't on the DVD.

[Implode]

JP said that it was too long to include.

[Shadow2222]

That sucks  That is the number one song I wanted on the DVD. If no Black Clouds songs show up, I'll be super disappointed.

[Progmetty]

I'm expecting and willl be content with formulating these two nights to include every song they played on all Dramatic Tour legs. The 3 or 4 set lists.
This could play in a variety of ways but this would be lovely:

Night 1:
Bridges in The Sky
These Walls
Build Me Up Break Me Down
The Dark Eternal Night
This is the Life
The Root of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Ytse Jam
Wait For Sleep
Far From Heaven
On the Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Fatal Tragedy
Breaking All Illusions
---
Under a Glass Moon


Night 2:
Bridges In The Sky
On The Back of Angels
Build Me Up Break Me Down
Lost Not Forgotten
This is The Life
Outcry
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath the Surface
The Silent Man
Surrounded
Caught in a Web
Pull Me Under
---
Metropolis

The main idea there is to perform as many Dramatic Tour songs as possible while still playing entire ADOTE at one night.

[Mladen]

Night 2:
Bridges In The Sky
On The Back of Angels
Build Me Up Break Me Down
Lost Not Forgotten
This is The Life
Outcry
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath the Surface
The Silent Man
Surrounded
Caught in a Web
Pull Me Under
---
Metropolis

I would so watch this show. 

[GasparXR]

No, I don't think both shows will be fully released.  There will be duplication for sure, and it wouldn't make sense to include duplicate performances of the same songs.   

Not unless you're Iced Earth and release a DVD set of 3 concerts with essentially identical set lists lol.

I dislike this too. Billy Talent's 666 Deluxe Live DVD/CD had two DVDs, with almost identical setlists, with one extra song added in the second (the CD is the same show as the 2nd DVD). Although that is excusable as they only had three albums out at the time, and they only played songs from the two BT albums and not Watoosh!.

[Millais]

Do you reckon there will be any BC&SL songs played at all?

IMO:
A Nightmare to Remember - Unlikely.
A Rite of Passage - Unlikely.
Wither - More likely than the first two, but still unlikely.
The Shattered Fortress - No.
The Best of Times - No.
The Count of Tuscany - Already been said that it won't be played, which is unfortunate because it's the clear stand out on the album.

Any other views?

[Adami]

I'm sure Wither will be played because I doubt DT are dumb enough to ignore the entirety of their second to last album especially when it never got a DVD release.

[Unlegit]

I'm hoping two tracks will be from BC&SL. TSF, TBoT, and TCoT won't be played. If two tracks are being played, I'm betting on Wither and ARoP.

[ResultsMayVary]

Wither is the only song that has a real chance of being played and that chance is virtually non-existent anyway.

[MetropolisWatches]

I think it's quite silly that they wont be playing The Count of Tuscany. I love Metropolis (and a lot of the other material they'v e been doing live on the latest tours) but how many live versions of it do we really need?

[Nekov]

I hope it will be dark outside when they do the gig, I don't like it when bands have gigs in broad daylight.

Also isn't this an indoor venue.  James was saying it's an outdoor gig.

I hope they start at daylight, and then mix the songs up on the DVD, so when you play the DVD they go light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark to light...

Not sure why James said it's an outdoor venue but it's not so it will be dark and will have artificial illumination.