2012-08-19/20 - Luna Park - Buenos Aires, ARG (being filmed for DVD)

[Progmetty]

If the shows are going to be edited together shot-to-shot into one feature then they have to be wearing the same shirts.
If it's gonna be a Chaos in Motion type of feature then they don't have to.

[DTFan0789]

I'm hoping that they just have part of night 1 as "Set 1" and part of night 2 as "Set 2" on the DVD. I'd hate to see it switching nights from song to song.

[Progmetty]

^ That's what most proshot releases are, by most bands. 2 or 3 consecutive nights, same venue and a lot of common songs.
If they're wearing the same clothes you would have to have been there to tell.

[Implode]

I'm pretty sure they won't do LTL.

I bet they plan to release a performance from last summer with TCOT and LTL.

OH NO HE'S BACK

[Nekov]

Full setlist

Bits
These walls
Bmu bmd
This is the life
Caught in a web
Drum solo
A fortune in lies
Wait for sleep
Far from heaven
Outcry
Jr solo
Surrounded
Otboa
War inside my head
Tttsta
Jp solo
Tsco
Bai
Pmu

[Zephyr]

No LTL

[Adami]

So the big surprises are the string quartet, These Walls and Caught in a Web?



I have a hard time believing that I'm the only person that is disappointed with that.

[Onno]

Ok, that's a bit lame. No real surprises, not even To Live Forever. And the only songs that were different last night were songs that we already were 90% sure about. I'm disappointed, but whatever. Nekov, thanks a lot for updating

[DTFan0789]

When were we ever promised any "big surprises"? If I recall, James LaBrie said that the shows were going to be "stellar", which I'm sure they were.

[Nekov]

And yes, same clothes as last night

[Adami]

And yes, same clothes as last night

heh.


Also thank you so much for updating us Nekov. Really very cool of you.

[LCArenas]

And yes, same clothes as last night

Welp! That explains a lot. Wish they played TCOT or LTL though, or have a far more varied setlist in general, and I am a bit disappointed just like Adami.

That being said, They didn't promise on a big show and they stated they would play the same setlist in South America. Oh well. I hope the extras and the performance make it interesting (And I'm pretty sure they will, so I'm excited for that). A mini-journal through all the cities would be really nice.

[Progmetty]

Perfect everything, so far this BluRay is going to be everything I wanted it to be.
Thanks for the updates Nekov

[senecadawg2]

Thanks Nekov!

A couple thoughts...

1. I don't know how they will edit it, but I hope they don't keep PMU as the last song.

2. Caught In a Web should be cool.

3. I'm just happy to get all these new songs on Blu-Ray. Should be good.

[Adami]

I will say that one cool thing about this DVD is the chance for the drums to be mixed better. Therefore (assuming they do mix it better than ADTOE), the mix plus visuals of Mangini would be nice to finally see all of the insane things he is doing.

[bosk1]

I have a hard time believing that I'm the only person that is disappointed with that.

Oh, I'm sure you WON'T be the only one who is disappointed.  But the problem with being disappointed in the set lists is that any disappointment is completely unjustified.  I mean, from all accounts, the performance was amazing.  And we got the new album in its entirety, plus 13 other songs (for a total of 21 songs altogether), plus keyboard, guitar, and drum solos.  For the accoustic sets, which people who have seen the tour have already been raving about, they took it up another notch by including a string quartet.  The whole thing was shot in hi-def and is going to be released on Blu-Ray, which fans have been clamoring for for years.  And we've been promised lots of extras on the disks. 

No offense, but given all that, expressing any disappointment comes across to me as incredibly spoiled and ungrateful.  I for one am looking forward to getting this and, realizing that it is probably more content than any DT release so far (or at least, up near the top), spending a few days watching it.


EDIT:  Oh, and thanks for reporting, Nekov!

[Adami]

I am grateful. I can be grateful and still a little disappointed. Of course I will buy this the day it comes out and enjoy the hell out of it.



But you can call me spoiled, that's cool.

[bosk1]

I will say that one cool thing about this DVD is the chance for the drums to be mixed better. Therefore (assuming they do mix it better than ADTOE), the mix plus visuals of Mangini would be nice to finally see all of the insane things he is doing.

Shoot!  Until you mentioned that, I completely forgot that I meant to mention to him that it would be AWESOME for him to have a birds-eye view drum cam up on top of his kit, and I forgot both times!    I'm really hoping there is something on the Blu-Ray that focuses just on him.

[Implode]

Like I said,

I bet they plan to release a performance from last summer with TCOT and LTL.

An official bootleg that is.

[Madman Shepherd]

I have a hard time believing that I'm the only person that is disappointed with that.

Oh, I'm sure you WON'T be the only one who is disappointed.  But the problem with being disappointed in the set lists is that any disappointment is completely unjustified.  I mean, from all accounts, the performance was amazing.  And we got the new album in its entirety, plus 13 other songs (for a total of 21 songs altogether), plus keyboard, guitar, and drum solos.  For the accoustic sets, which people who have seen the tour have already been raving about, they took it up another notch by including a string quartet.  The whole thing was shot in hi-def and is going to be released on Blu-Ray, which fans have been clamoring for for years.  And we've been promised lots of extras on the disks. 

No offense, but given all that, expressing any disappointment comes across to me as incredibly spoiled and ungrateful.  I for one am looking forward to getting this and, realizing that it is probably more content than any DT release so far (or at least, up near the top), spending a few days watching it.

Ouch.  That is pretty strongly worded but you do make an excellent point. 

Any disappointment is basically people disappointing themselves with whatever they cooked up in their mind. 

[LCArenas]

As long as it isn't in any way possible like Chaos in Motion (In terms of filming quality and JLB's performance) I'm completely and absolutely fine and excited. Did Nekov already talk about JLB's performance by the way? I hope he kept up with the amazing one he did in Bogotá. I also like that the songs aren't over extended. I think that, except for Surrounded, it killed the original mood of the songs in CiM.

[bosk1]

Ouch.  That is pretty strongly worded but you do make an excellent point. 

Any disappointment is basically people disappointing themselves with whatever they cooked up in their mind. 

Not trying to be harsh.  I'm just saying that it doesn't serve people well to disregard how cool of a release this is and only focus on the fact that it doesn't meet their own personal expectations.  I mean, people are certainly entittled to their opinions, and we are pretty free in letting people voice those opinions here.  But with that freedom also comes the freedom for some to point out that criticism just doesn't look good.  Imagine if you were the band and, after these months of planning, and after coming off two stellar performances, you were feeling pretty good about the whole thing and feeling like you were about to release an awesome product for the fans, only to read people complaining about how it doesn't measure up to what they imagined it would be.  Unfortunately, some of us don't take the time to think that through. 

Look, I don't mean to be overly critical of people expressing their opinions.  I'm certainly guilty of doing the same thing.  Not trying to make anyone feel bad either.  Just pointing out that I think people would be better served to appreciate rather than detract.

[bosk1]

As long as it isn't in any way possible like Chaos in Motion (In terms of filming quality and JLB's performance) I'm completely and absolutely fine and excited. Did Nekov already talk about JLB's performance by the way? I hope he kept up with the amazing one he did in Bogotá. I also like that the songs aren't over extended. I think that, except for Surrounded, it killed the original mood of the songs in CiM.

I do know that he sounded great last night, from some of the things I've heard.  And I can tell you that one song was extended a bit.  But it's one that we already have on live releases, and the extended bit was done very tastefully, IMO, so people shouldn't mind.

[Shadow2222]

The only thing I am honestly disappointed about is the lack of TCOT, which we already knew about. The song deserves to be on a DVD

[Adami]

I don't write my posts worrying about how it will affect the band if they read it. Why? Because it won't. I'm one of like 4 people here showing ANY bit of criticism what so ever. Everyone else is praising this DVD as the greatest thing since the orgasm. I think if DT reads this thread they will say "Good thing the fans like what we did, minus that stupid jew".

And I'm pretty sure the band hyped this up themselves. I can't recall the interviews, and may be wrong, but I kind of remember them saying there will be amazing surprises and so forth, and we really didn't have anything that lived up to the hype THEY created. Had they said "We will record 2 shows. We will play it safe so that we can assure our best performances" then I wouldn't have any reason to be disappointed. But they made it seem like they'd do something a bit.......more.


God forgive me for not praising every single thing the band does simply because they're doing it.

And the only complaint I've made is the predictable set lists. That's all. If one criticism is too much for some of you guys to handle, then maybe you're being a bit too sensitive.


And I wouldn't have to repeat these criticisms so often if you guys didn't try to yell at me every time I made it, thus prompting me to defend myself.

[Nekov]

You're all welcome

[Pockets17red]

Perfect everything, so far this BluRay is going to be everything I wanted it to be.
Thanks for the updates Nekov

[bosk1]

I can't recall the interviews, and may be wrong, but I kind of remember them saying there will be amazing surprises and so forth

You're mistaken.

they said that there would be a lot of surprises/crazy stuff

They said there would be a lot of surprises for the Blu Ray, not necessarily the show itself.  I wouldn't expect them to go totally nuts with the set list.  Just from the standard set lists this tour, we are getting a pretty amazing collection of songs.  I know it's easy to forget that when we've been here on the Internet seeing the sets posted after every show.  But we really are getting a tremendous set of material even if they don't change a thing (and, honestly, why WOULD they change it up?). 

[Adami]

So because YOU liked the set lists, means none of us are allowed to have a problem with them.

Got it

[LCArenas]

As long as it isn't in any way possible like Chaos in Motion (In terms of filming quality and JLB's performance) I'm completely and absolutely fine and excited. Did Nekov already talk about JLB's performance by the way? I hope he kept up with the amazing one he did in Bogotá. I also like that the songs aren't over extended. I think that, except for Surrounded, it killed the original mood of the songs in CiM.

I do know that he sounded great last night, from some of the things I've heard.  And I can tell you that one song was extended a bit.  But it's one that we already have on live releases, and the extended bit was done very tastefully, IMO, so people shouldn't mind.

It was Metropolis, right? Oh well. Let's see how they manage to do it on the DVD, and to be honest I do want to see how MM performs in a jam (But Why not play Bombay Vindaloo again then? )

I kind of see Adami's point: he's just disappointed with the setlist and he hasn't said that the DVD's gonna be awful because of it, and it's okay. I think the issue is getting a little bit aggressive on both sides, though. There is no need to be upset.

[Adami]

Nevermind. Apparently I'm not allowed to be disappointed in anything Dream Theater does.



I'm out. You guys can celebrate or whatever.

[bosk1]

Adami, I've said repeatedly in this thread (and pretty much everywhere else on the forum) that you are entitled to your opinion.  But you are the only one monopolizing the thread and making this about you by saying the same thing over and over again.  Take it somewhere else.

[cramx3]

The DVD/Blu-Ray looks like it will be what most thought it would be, a collection of the songs played through the whole tour.

I hope the bonus content includes some of the special moments of the tour, such as the I&W anniversary and the second night in Long Island. 

I cant wait to get this on Blu-Ray!

[Jamariquay]

So, we get a show with an expected setlist, though still a very good one.... which, I expect, we'll all find was performed and recorded excellently.

I'd take that over Chaos In Motion any day of the week. Amazing setlist there, and yet, it literally did nothing else right at all.

I think we came out ahead on this one.

[YtseCullen]

I can't recall the interviews, and may be wrong, but I kind of remember them saying there will be amazing surprises and so forth

You're mistaken.

they said that there would be a lot of surprises/crazy stuff

They said there would be a lot of surprises for the Blu Ray, not necessarily the show itself.  I wouldn't expect them to go totally nuts with the set list.  Just from the standard set lists this tour, we are getting a pretty amazing collection of songs.  I know it's easy to forget that when we've been here on the Internet seeing the sets posted after every show.  But we really are getting a tremendous set of material even if they don't change a thing (and, honestly, why WOULD they change it up?). 

Pretty much this. If they keep every song and don't repeat any of them that leaves us with 24 songs, unless my math is wrong, and, correct me if I'm wrong and 14 songs that haven't had an official live release before, that sounds pretty good to me. It still remains to be seen what other content will be on the Blu Ray. Like others pointed out we could see footage of the second night in NY, or the I&W documentary. We could even get a commentary of things that everyone is raving about, as well an on the road documentary as hinted at by the man following James, John and Jordan in Jordan's latest youtube video.

So I honestly can't see why any one would be dissapointed with a killer long set, with the majority of them being their first official live release, and the potential for other great goodies on this DVD.