New DT Live Album/DVD?

[Adami]

I assume the two nights will have nearly identical setlists with maybe 2-3 different songs between them.


DT aren't taking any risks or pulling any surprises lately so there's no reason to assume they will for those shows.

[Nekov]

Well, Wasteland posted that JLB said the setlist will vary in an interview. Can someone post the link here please? I haven't seen it yet

[darkshade]

Since they've played TCOT on the tour, do you guys think it might end up on one of those future YJR bootlegs James has got a hold of?

Most likely. I feel that they will either release the first show with Mike Mangini in Rome or the High Voltage performance in London. Whichever they were to chose, I would be satisfied.

I hope they don't release the Rome show, James has gone on record as saying there were some flubs here and there, and nervousness from Mangini, plus James wasn't in top shape yet with his voice (from what I heard on YouTube). The High Voltage one could be possible though.

[wasteland]

Well, Wasteland posted that JLB said the setlist will vary in an interview. Can someone post the link here please? I haven't seen it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oPEPDv_hE0

I hope they don't release the Rome show, James has gone on record as saying there were some flubs here and there, and nervousness from Mangini, plus James wasn't in top shape yet with his voice (from what I heard on YouTube). The High Voltage one could be possible though.

You are correct, but it always feels good to have a show held in your country to be officially released.   If these issues have been indeed aknowledged by the band as disqualifying, then the only full concert that would make sense to be release is the HV performance.

As for the following legs, the first coming to Indonesia might be a suitable event to be released.

Or maybe we will have a Chaos In Motion level release featuring selected song from notable performance all around the world to cover the whole tour with the least effort.

Anyway, I'm derailing this thread again, sorry...

Do you thing that something may change production-wise for the Luna Park shows?

[Adami]

Did he say how much they will vary? Like are 2-3 songs enough variation for them?

[countoftuscany42]

no TCOT

[SeRoX]

Don't know why many of you are obsessed with TCOT. Ok, it's good song but it is also too long, instead of it many songs can be included. I'm perfectly OK with this decision since I don't like that song much.

[Setlist Scotty]

Also keep in mind that BCASL kind of shoots itself in the foot by being an album of "epics", so song length is always at least a partial factor.

When speaking with JP, that was the reason given ("it's too looooonnnng").

Since they've played TCOT on the tour, do you guys think it might end up on one of those future YJR bootlegs James has got a hold of?

Definitely. That was another one of the things that we talked about. Given that the full Euro 2011 headlining setlist with Learning to Live was played about 6 or 7 times, I'm pretty certain that at least one of those shows is good enough quality to release. And given that they are doing multi-track recording of their shows (unlike from 2006 back, which was just a 2-track direct to DAT), theoretically they could just pull a vocal or instrument from another show if there was a bad flub, thereby keeping it all 100% live (AKA, no studio touch-ups).

I assume the two nights will have nearly identical setlists with maybe 2-3 different songs between them.

Don't be so sure. The implication I received from JP was that the setlists will be significantly different. I don't foresee them being completely different (tho not out of the realm of possibility), but I would imagine that they will vary more than 2-5 songs between the 2 shows.

Don't know why many of you are obsessed with TCOT. Ok, it's good song but it is also too long, instead of it many songs can be included. I'm perfectly OK with this decision since I don't like that song much.

Epic FAIL! (pun intended)  You forget one thing: one of the reasons why DT is loved is because of their longer songs that take us on an interesting journey. You might not like the song that much, but there are plenty of other fans that do.

[SeRoX]

Yeah, Scotty, don't get me wrong. My one of main reason to love DT is their long and epic songs but TCOT is unfortunately is the least favourite of mine. I think it's time to summon ACOS again.

[Adami]

I can understand them not having time to play TCOT.

After all, they need to be able to play TSCO and the 10 minute intro to that song. It's only been on 2 DVDs thus far, and it would be a crime to not make sure we have that song again.

[Cool Chris]

And AROP doesn't work too well without MP's vocals, plus it's not one of the better songs from the album anyway.

Actually I imagine it would work better without his vocals. I saw it live twice last year and liked it more than I thought I would.

Re: BC&SL songs, I can honestly live without any of them making the new DVD. I'd be more than happy to see every song from ADToE make the cut, alogn with whatever else they pull (and I echo Adami's comments re: TSCO too)

[chrisbDTM]

dont worry they are just ditching TCOT for ACOS. 



hopefully

[OsMosis2259]

I wonder if The Dark Eternal Night will make it   

[SeRoX]

I wonder if The Dark Eternal Night will make it   

Be better not.

[BlobVanDam]

I wonder if The Dark Eternal Night will make it   

They already did that on CiM, didn't they? I wouldn't expect it, although I would love for them to do a good quality version of it, even if it is missing half of the vocals.

[TheGreatPretender]

I wonder if The Dark Eternal Night will make it   

They already did that on CiM, didn't they? I wouldn't expect it, although I would love for them to do a good quality version of it, even if it is missing half of the vocals.

I'd rather see something they haven't released in the past. But what can I say? I burn with the thirst to see things not yet seen.

[BlobVanDam]

I wonder if The Dark Eternal Night will make it   

They already did that on CiM, didn't they? I wouldn't expect it, although I would love for them to do a good quality version of it, even if it is missing half of the vocals.

I'd rather see something they haven't released in the past. But what can I say? I burn with the thirst to see things not yet seen.

As much as I love TDEN, me too. This is why I think it's a poor decision to exclude TCOT (among other reasons), especially if it's only for the sake of repeated material.

[TAC]

Since they've played TCOT on the tour, do you guys think it might end up on one of those future YJR bootlegs James has got a hold of?

Definitely. That was another one of the things that we talked about. Given that the full Euro 2011 headlining setlist with Learning to Live was played about 6 or 7 times, I'm pretty certain that at least one of those shows is good enough quality to release. And given that they are doing multi-track recording of their shows (unlike from 2006 back, which was just a 2-track direct to DAT), theoretically they could just pull a vocal or instrument from another show if there was a bad flub, thereby keeping it all 100% live (AKA, no studio touch-ups).

That Euro 2011 full setlist was fantastic. TCOT's inclusion was very surprising yet very cool. One of those shows would make a great Ytsejam release!

[SeRoX]

I think The Glass Prison should be shot for a DVD. Since they already played TROAE I hope others can be played too. I don't mind if they don't play This Dying Soul or The Shattered Fortress. But The Glass Prison and Repentance should be played.

[wasteland]

I think The Glass Prison should be shot for a DVD. Since they already played TROAE I hope others can be played too. I don't mind if they don't play This Dying Soul or The Shattered Fortress. But The Glass Prison and Repentance should be played.

Geez, I hope they don't... I hate the song...  And I also hope that the massive change in the setlist between the two nights that James revealed and Scott confirmed will showcase songs that havn't yet be played in this tour. That would be a nice and welcomed surprise.

[Nekov]

I think The Glass Prison should be shot for a DVD. Since they already played TROAE I hope others can be played too. I don't mind if they don't play This Dying Soul or The Shattered Fortress. But The Glass Prison and Repentance should be played.

Geez, I hope they don't... I hate the song...  And I also hope that the massive change in the setlist between the two nights that James revealed and Scott confirmed will showcase songs that havn't yet be played in this tour. That would be a nice and welcomed surprise.

Thanks for the link to the video. I saw it and James did not say it was going to be massive but that they would change "some" songs so I am wondering how different the 2 shows will be.

[ResultsMayVary]

I think The Glass Prison should be shot for a DVD. Since they already played TROAE I hope others can be played too. I don't mind if they don't play This Dying Soul or The Shattered Fortress. But The Glass Prison and Repentance should be played.

Geez, I hope they don't... I hate the song...  And I also hope that the massive change in the setlist between the two nights that James revealed and Scott confirmed will showcase songs that havn't yet be played in this tour. That would be a nice and welcomed surprise.

Thanks for the link to the video. I saw it and James did not say it was going to be massive but that they would change "some" songs so I am wondering how different the 2 shows will be.

They will probably change between around half of the songs between the two nights. They are playing the same venue two nights in a row, so playing a similar setlist would be a bad decision since most fans will want to see a different setlist the second night compared to the first night. I'm particularly excited about what songs will be played that have not been played on this time yet.

[SeRoX]

If they only change acoustic part,

The Silent Man / Beneath The Surface - Wait For Sleep / Far From Heaven

and

do different encore for each night I will die. I hope the change will be major than that.

[wolfandwolfandwolf]

I was watching Five Years in a Livetime yesterday, and I really, really liked seeing that acoustic gig with some of the unreleased tracks (Speak To Me, Cover My Eyes).  Would love them to dig up an older song or two (a la Score).  Probably won't happen.

[KevShmev]

Also keep in mind that BCASL kind of shoots itself in the foot by being an album of "epics", so song length is always at least a partial factor.

When speaking with JP, that was the reason given ("it's too looooonnnng").

Hmmmm, I wonder if that line of thinking will influence song lengths on the next album.  Maybe JP is tired of doing super long songs and is instead happy with doing songs that are, at max, 10-12 minutes long.  Considering the four longer songs from ADTOE are all in the 10-12 1/2 minute range, could be.  I'd be fine with it, especially if they keep writing 10-12 minute long songs as good as the four from ADTOE.

[TheGreatPretender]

Hmmmm, I wonder if that line of thinking will influence song lengths on the next album.  Maybe JP is tired of doing super long songs and is instead happy with doing songs that are, at max, 10-12 minutes long.  Considering the four longer songs from ADTOE are all in the 10-12 1/2 minute range, could be.  I'd be fine with it, especially if they keep writing 10-12 minute long songs as good as the four from ADTOE.

Not necessarily, though. It could just be that when it comes to this particular DVD, since they hadn't released one in a while, they might want to include more songs within the limited set time that they have, rather than fewer really long songs. I mean, if one set is 2 hours, then TCOT would be taking up pretty much 1/6 of it.

[Adami]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

[wolfandwolfandwolf]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

This.  I am actually less inclined to listen to all of them now than I was whenever we just had ACOS and SDOIT.  I really liked 8VM when it was released, but as soon as I heard ITPOE for the first time I just kind of got bored with most any of DT's work over 15 minutes.

I'm a bad prog fan.

[darkshade]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

This.  I am actually less inclined to listen to all of them now than I was whenever we just had ACOS and SDOIT.  I really liked 8VM when it was released, but as soon as I heard ITPOE for the first time I just kind of got bored with most any of DT's work over 15 minutes.

I'm a bad prog fan.

*spanks*

Go stand in the corner, and face the wall.

[Zydar]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

This.  I am actually less inclined to listen to all of them now than I was whenever we just had ACOS and SDOIT.  I really liked 8VM when it was released, but as soon as I heard ITPOE for the first time I just kind of got bored with most any of DT's work over 15 minutes.

I'm a bad prog fan.

*spanks*

Go stand in the corner, and face the wall.

Nuggetz

[TheGreatPretender]

I just think TCOT wasn't that interesting for a 20 minute 'epic'. It had some beautiful music, but it still felt like too much of "one song". As opposed to songs like A Change of Seasons and Octavarium which all have 5 distinct parts to them, each one sounding very different from the previous. So much so, that they pretty much COULD be different songs if they didn't share some common themes.
But in the case of TCOT, it feels like a 10 minute song (such as Endless Sacrifice, Bridges in the Sky, etc.) but stretched out to 20 minutes.

If they were to make another 20+ minute epic--and I know this sounds a bit formulaic--it should have completely distinct sections that progress into something completely different every time.

[wolfandwolfandwolf]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

This.  I am actually less inclined to listen to all of them now than I was whenever we just had ACOS and SDOIT.  I really liked 8VM when it was released, but as soon as I heard ITPOE for the first time I just kind of got bored with most any of DT's work over 15 minutes.

I'm a bad prog fan.

*spanks*

Go stand in the corner, and face the wall.

Nuggetz

SHII-

[KevShmev]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

Agreed.  As much as I love a band like The Flower Kings, the 25-minute song on their new album, while very good, is like, "Oh, another really long song."  Best to keep them somewhat to a minimum instead of doing all of the time, IMO.

[darkshade]

I am also fine if the next albums don't have super long songs. We have plenty of them, and they lose their allure if they become commonplace.

Agreed.  As much as I love a band like The Flower Kings, the 25-minute song on their new album, while very good, is like, "Oh, another really long song."  Best to keep them somewhat to a minimum instead of doing all of the time, IMO.

Yea, but no one does 25+ minute epics like The Flower Kings do. They also have double the amount of songs that DT has. I thought their newest epic was amazing.

The only problem I have with DT's recent epics, is there's no big payoff. The last one was the ending climax of Octavarium, particularly the guitar solo, especially the reprise of the 'main' theme. I didn't feel like ITPOE or TCOT had a big payoff; though still amazing epics.

[TheGreatPretender]

I think it's really a matter of not being too forceful about it. If they say, "Let's make another 20 minute epic", that's no good. But if they start working on a song, and they're inspired and it grows and grows and grows and ends up being 25 minutes, then chances are, it'll really show.