New DT Live Album/DVD?

[Metropolis Pt. II]

Latin America has the worst crowds of the world. "Rush in Rio" is a great example.

Fixed.

I've brought this up before but STFU and stop singing along with the music.  Go ahead and sing along with the WORDS, cheer, clap, "HEY! HEY! HEY!", fist pump, air drum, etc, but FFS I want to hear the guitar solo, piano intro, riff etc, NOT 100,000 people singing the guitar solo, piano intro, riff, etc.  Stop clapping along to quiet, sombre moments where it's completely inappropriate.

Rush in Rio is unwatchable to me cuz the crowd overpowers everything.  But, hey, if there's an audio option to turn off the crowd noise or at least turn it down then sweet.  Or if they mix it nicely and have enough of the crowd but not too much then great.  But if not then I'll be sad.  I'm sure it's a great live atmosphere and I'd enjoy it if I were actually there with bad seats and audio but when I watch it at home in a controlled environment I want Dream Theater, not people screaming the whole time pretending to be Dream Theater.

No offense, but this is an awful opinion.  If you want to hear every nuance in a band's performance, listen to the studio albums.

The only thing I would hate would be if the crowd were too loud during Beneath The Surface. That song is so great live because it's just acoustic guitar and vocals (and then JR joins in of course). I would hate to hear the crowd clapping along or singing along to that. You don't have the opportunity to listen to a stripped down version of the song on the album so I'm hoping for a nice one live.

[ResultsMayVary]

... and if you want to not hear the music at all, attend or watch a show in Latin America.

I just hope this release is either a) mixed nicely to include the crowd but not so much as to ruin the music or b) has a band-only audio option.

I'm surprised that not many people agreed with you on that point. It's so blatantly obvious. 

[Jarzombek]

I am Brazilian and here in Brazil almost every concert has a great audience participation. I think it makes the shows even more fun for the audience and also for the bands.
This makes the concerts become unforgettable!

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I am Brazilian and here in Brazil almost every concert has a great audience participation. I think it makes the shows even more fun for the audience and also for the bands.
This makes the concerts become unforgettable!

In some ways you're right, but if I paid to get a front row seat, I didn't pay to hear a bunch of slobs sing a DT song louder than the band is playing it. Similarly if I buy a dvd of an event, I'd like to actually listen to the band over the audience participation.

[ResultsMayVary]

I am Brazilian and here in Brazil almost every concert has a great audience participation. I think it makes the shows even more fun for the audience and also for the bands.
This makes the concerts become unforgettable!

In some ways you're right, but if I paid to get a front row seat, I didn't pay to hear a bunch of slobs sing a DT song louder than the band is playing it. Similarly if I buy a dvd of an event, I'd like to actually listen to the band over the audience participation.

+1

And i think that most people are misunderstanding the people who just want a quieter crowd. I think it's awesome when the crowd participates in the show, but I would like to hear DT over the crowd, not the crowd over DT.

[Ben_Jamin]

When I watch a live DVD I want it to make me feel like I'm actually there, rush in rio does that for me. Hearing the audience sing closer to the heart sounds amazing and along with the singers voice has power, a reason why Blind Guardian let's the audience sing the bards song.

[PetFish]

Just to be clear again on my point of view:

It's not about singing along with the LYRICS, that's 100% cool, but what happens in South America and Europe is that they sing along to the INSTRUMENTS, and that's 100% zero cool.  I really admire the South American and European crowds for being so passionate and bringing so much energy but, come on, don't drown out the music by trying to sing along with parts that have no lyrics such as the guitar solo and the power-chord-chunky-riffing.  It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Ben_Jamin]

Well they enjoy that melody and will express it, doesn't bother the bands in fact they really enjoy it. Plus the energy is what will make people sing along to anything. also, it's the same as if a singer would sing woahs.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Well they enjoy that melody and will express it, doesn't bother the bands in fact they really enjoy it. Plus the energy is what will make people sing along to anything. also, it's the same as if a singer would sing woahs.

The bands aren't the one buying their own DVDs lol.

[toro]

Just to be clear again on my point of view:

It's not about singing along with the LYRICS, that's 100% cool, but what happens in South America and Europe is that they sing along to the INSTRUMENTS

Nah.

[Cyclopssss]

I think the singing along to the intro and outro parts of ACOS on OIALT is pretty cool though...

[Ben_Jamin]

No use complaining and debating anymore, for me at least.

Anyways I just want to have The Count of Tuscany on DvD.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

No use complaining and debating anymore, for me at least.

Anyways I just want to have The Count of Tuscany on DvD.

Thankfully this won't happen. I'd be pretty pissed if they wasted 20 minutes of this awesome tour DVD with that song.

[BlobVanDam]

No use complaining and debating anymore, for me at least.

Anyways I just want to have The Count of Tuscany on DvD.

Thankfully this won't happen. I'd be pretty pissed if they wasted 20 minutes of this awesome tour DVD with that song.

Of course it will happen. They've played it on the tour with MM, it's the most highly regarded song on BCASL, and nothing from BCASL has been recorded for a DVD yet. I would say it's almost a certainty it will happen. I don't know why you'd think otherwise.

[Ben_Jamin]

Blob is right. Plus I have a hunch the South American tour will be Evening With

[Tis BOOLsheet]

There were also a bunch of shows on which they did not play it. How do you know it's more highly regarded than Nightmare?

[ResultsMayVary]

There were also a bunch of shows on which they did not play it. How do you know it's more highly regarded than Nightmare?

Well, they've played TCOT since MM joined and they haven't play Nightmare. That's how I see it.

I don't really care for the song except for the awesome ambient middle section and the ending, so I would like to see some other quality tunes in its place in the set. Although, I would rather see it over Nightmare any day of the week.

[Onno]

No use complaining and debating anymore, for me at least.

Anyways I just want to have The Count of Tuscany on DvD.

[cramx3]

while they played TCOT live with MM, he did have to play Nightmare for the tryouts so im not sure which one is more highly regarded. Id like both on the next dvd personally.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

while they played TCOT live with MM, he did have to play Nightmare for the tryouts so im not sure which one is more highly regarded. Id like both on the next dvd personally.

The fact that they played one over the other on this tour reveals absolutely NOTHING about the way in which Nightmare vs. Count is widely regarded by the fan base. Is 6:00 widely regarded as the best song from Awake? Is Build Me Up widely regarded as better than Lost Not Forgotten? Is These Walls widely regarded as the best song from Octavarium?

Nightmare was played with MP live. I have no idea if Count was also played on that same tour because I skipped that tour, but even if it weren't, it wouldn't matter.

[Jamariquay]

while they played TCOT live with MM, he did have to play Nightmare for the tryouts so im not sure which one is more highly regarded. Id like both on the next dvd personally.

The fact that they played one over the other on this tour reveals absolutely NOTHING about the way in which Nightmare vs. Count is widely regarded by the fan base. Is 6:00 widely regarded as the best song from Awake? Is Build Me Up widely regarded as better than Lost Not Forgotten? Is These Walls widely regarded as the best song from Octavarium?

Nightmare was played with MP live. I have no idea if Count was also played on that same tour because I skipped that tour, but even if it weren't, it wouldn't matter.

Jordan said in an interview a while back that they were trying to stay away from darker songs "Like A Nightmare To Remember" on this tour. Then again, that was before they played The Dark Eternal Night, so who knows. Still, I suspect they'll play The Count Of Tuscany on their next dvd, over all the others.

[Metrovarium]

Jordan said in an interview a while back that they were trying to stay away from darker songs "Like A Nightmare To Remember" on this tour. Then again, that was before they played The Dark Eternal Night, so who knows.

The Dark Eternal Night isn't really a "dark" song. It's heavy and has dark lyrics, but it feels much more upbeat than "A Nightmare to Remember".

[ResultsMayVary]

Nightmare was played with MP live. I have no idea if Count was also played on that same tour because I skipped that tour, but even if it weren't, it wouldn't matter.

My point was that the guys favored it over Nightmare, not that the fans favored it. Jordan and JP are on record saying that they don't particularly 'love' nightmare. MP controlled the setlists before he left and since he had a vocal part, that's probably why they played it a lot, because MP favored it. Now that JP and the guys make the setlists, they haven't played it. Combined with the fact that the guys don't "love" the song, I'd say the Count is favored by the band and you're more likely to see it on the DVD than Nightmare.

[PetFish]

I'll take TCoT over ANtR every day and twice on Sundays.

What I'm really hoping for on the next release is a commentary track.  Hopefully w/o MP dominating the conversation we'll get to hear great stuff and more from JM.

[cramx3]

a commentary track would be awesome, but id honestly liked to see all four songs they played from BCASL on the dvd, but thats just me and its obviously unlikely. I think in reality, wed get the current set with maybe a couple songs that were on the sets from the usa/first euro/future south american tours. Im not expecting anything crazy.

[Jamariquay]

Jordan said in an interview a while back that they were trying to stay away from darker songs "Like A Nightmare To Remember" on this tour. Then again, that was before they played The Dark Eternal Night, so who knows.

The Dark Eternal Night isn't really a "dark" song. It's heavy and has dark lyrics, but it feels much more upbeat than "A Nightmare to Remember".

I'd say the Dark Eternal Night is pretty darn dark.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Dark Eternal Night is indeed quite dark. Pretty cool riffs, I just don't like the vocal track, lyrics, subject matter or unnecessarily long and drawn out length. I hope it's not on the DVD.

[BlobVanDam]

There were also a bunch of shows on which they did not play it. How do you know it's more highly regarded than Nightmare?

I'd judging based on the general consensus on DTF, based on threads/polls/rankings since the release of BCASL. TCOT is fairly liked, aside from the lyrics which are the most divisive aspect. ANTR seems to have generally less favourable opinions around here, especially the solo and MP vocal section.
Keeping in mind that DT have already learned and played the song several times with MM this tour, and the fact they haven't recorded anything from BCASL for a live DVD yet, I'd say it's a no brainer choice.

[KevShmev]

If only the second half of A Nightmare to Remember were as great as the first half. 

[Tis BOOLsheet]

If only the second half of A Nightmare to Remember were as great as the first half.

You're right. That's the main problem with it. Count also suffers from this problem of having only some great sections. Come to think of it, the whole album has that problem.

[ReaPsTA]

Jordan said in an interview a while back that they were trying to stay away from darker songs "Like A Nightmare To Remember" on this tour. Then again, that was before they played The Dark Eternal Night, so who knows.

The Dark Eternal Night isn't really a "dark" song. It's heavy and has dark lyrics, but it feels much more upbeat than "A Nightmare to Remember".

I'd say the Dark Eternal Night is pretty darn dark.

For something to be dark, it has to be taken seriously.  TDEN is basically impossible to take seriously.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Jordan said in an interview a while back that they were trying to stay away from darker songs "Like A Nightmare To Remember" on this tour. Then again, that was before they played The Dark Eternal Night, so who knows.

The Dark Eternal Night isn't really a "dark" song. It's heavy and has dark lyrics, but it feels much more upbeat than "A Nightmare to Remember".

I'd say the Dark Eternal Night is pretty darn dark.

For something to be dark, it has to be taken seriously.  TDEN is basically impossible to take seriously.

I agree it's impossible to take seriously. It's still a dark song, musically speaking.

[Adami]

TDEN is heavy, sure. Definitely not happy or upbeat, but it's not dark. It's in a minor key, but there's nothing dark about it that I can hear.

[BlobVanDam]

When JR said darker songs, I'm pretty sure he just meant the heavier stuff, so it's just arguing semantics.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

No, I think he meant darker as in darker.