2011-07-04 - Ippodromo delle Capannelle - Rome, ITA (first Mangini gig)

[krands85]

First 2 minutes of Peruvian Skies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4-Do1rra8

And from just before JPs solo to the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-ii7LZ2AY

Very good sound on those vids and James sounds great   'Battered and bruised, wooooAAAlways confusing, the love that she's losing for haaaaaaaaaaate'  

[tristl]

 
i was in rome yesterday,
it was awesome , believe me, they were very tight, james did sing his ass of, he seemed almost relieved,
mangini was unbelievable, and most unbelievable, i could hear myungs bass, the best D.T. show i ever did see.
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[setrataeso]

I still cannot get behind the drum solo. Mangini is a good player and all, but outside of Peart, I have never enjoyed a concert drum solo. I don't even like my own drum solos... They take away time that the band could be playing another song.

[cookienut]

What I found I couldn't understand was MM placing the Toms up so high above his head. I thought, how can anyone roll from there to the lower kit toms. After seeing Mangini, he just uses the one hand to roll up high. The man is amazing.

That being said when he uses both hands rolling across the high toms, he's just plain quick enough to transition lower without loosing any space. Wow.

Not only does he play MP's parts with great precision, he plays them with similar feeling to MP...a true sign of a professional musician.

AS for JLBs vocals - it's the first flaming show! Remember his vocals have crazy ranges....must need a few nights to get the vocal chords stretched and ready.

[rush-signals]

AS for JLBs vocals - it's the first flaming show! Remember his vocals have crazy ranges....must need a few nights to get the vocal chords stretched and ready.

James has always been James, good shows and bad ones. I still cringe when I watch OIALT, some of those vocals, gawd! But he always comes back,it is what it is and I have no problem with his vocals.

[seasonsinthesky]

are you people kidding me? JL blew me away in that video! it's obviously not Live at the Marquee, but jesus christ, the guy hasn't sung this song so well for a long goddamn time. he nailed it.

[Ħ]

I thought that the F# (and the notes leading up to it) and the final verse were pretty bad.

[7StringedBeast]

are you people kidding me? JL blew me away in that video! it's obviously not Live at the Marquee, but jesus christ, the guy hasn't sung this song so well for a long goddamn time. he nailed it.

You may be tone deaf if you think he nailed it in that video of LTL.

[rush-signals]

It cracks me up to here everyone say "his F#". My God where are you people coming up with this stuff, enough already, give the guy a break.

[sneakyblueberry]

This is the best bootleg so far, awesome stuff.

[tjanuranus]

what's bad in OIALT? i've listened to that a million times and never noticed many mistakes.

[rush-signals]

Really? His voice at times is not very good. I would have to go back and watch it to give you examples. It's like he's strainign and can't hit notes.

what's bad in OIALT? i've listened to that a million times and never noticed many mistakes.

[WildeSilas]

Wasn't that after he got food poisoning in Mexico and blew out his esophagus vomiting?

[contest_sanity]

First 2 minutes of Peruvian Skies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4-Do1rra8

And from just before JPs solo to the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-ii7LZ2AY

Thanks for posting.  Man, I really wanna see "Peruvian Skies" in the U.S. -- one of my favorite Dream Theater songs!

[Florinator]

I think MM totally owned it, he is on top of his game, as one would expect. I would go as far as to say that I think he is better than MP. I love MP (duh), but I think MM is simply a better fit for DT. He is more technical, more of a musician, like JR, JP and JM and less of a bad-ass "rockstar", like MP. If you think about it, the other guys don't even have a tattoo for crying out loud... I'm definitely not going to miss MP's spitting on the stage (yuck), his dropping the f-bomb in every other sentence in each interview and so forth.

Welcome Mike Mangini, you da man! 

[tjanuranus]

Really? His voice at times is not very good. I would have to go back and watch it to give you examples. It's like he's strainign and can't hit notes.

what's bad in OIALT? i've listened to that a million times and never noticed many mistakes.

Oh you said oialt which is the double cd I was referring to but I don't remember much from the video as far as mistakes. But I'm sure it's possible.

[dongringo]

I love this solo. It's the little things like the one handed snare rolls...switching back and forth between the right and left hands. He's a serious musician who excels at his craft. I'm sure the other guys are very excited to be playing with him and vise versa.

[wasteland]

Complete video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYQy608hV40

(slightly lesser vide quality, but the audio is great!)

The Outro is so...   

[tri.ad]

Now that's an ending! Somehow, I never thought that the riff just before the WFS reprise really fitted as the final moment. This one is much better.

[Guitalguy]

I understand that this discussion mainly is about JLB's performance.. And i agree with that he's not as great as he was. But I think it's a little weird that he seems to struggle with the notes that are slightly higher than the average key, like the notes leading up to the F# in LTL. But when he comes to the F#, he seems to hit it very well. Another example is Under A Glass Moon, where he seemed to have some trouble until he got to "Praying for TIME to disappear.." Where he was completely up there.

Well, I'm no vocals expert nor a singer, but i think that's a little weird. Am I the only one who noticed this?

[chknptpie]

I thought maybe it was just lazy singing?

[Nihil-Morari]

Wow, James has really taken a step back since last tour. Really didn't expect that.

Maybe it's just because it's the beginning of the tour and that LtL is a really tough song to sing, but this was SDoiT tour bad.

[Dreamer81]

It cracks me up to here everyone say "his F#". My God where are you people coming up with this stuff, enough already, give the guy a break.

this!!!yesterday in Verona was much better than the other night in Rome. Sometimes I think that DT fans go to gigs just to point at every little mistake they do.

[yorost]

I don't think most are giving LaBrie a hard time for it, people can understand that's hard on him.  What people are astounded by are others saying he nailed it.  I sort of wish he wouldn't try, instead do it lower to protect his voice.

[chrisbDTM]

i think JLB sounded good on the great debate from monday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPyWk2ZxdAw

[TAC]

best version i have found
https://youtu.be/rYWJw8BZGmU

What's so great about this is that it goes right into Ytse Jam. Whoever's idea that was, I applaud them. It truly seemed like an epic moment.

[wasteland]

I don't think most are giving LaBrie a hard time for it, people can understand that's hard on him.  What people are astounded by are others saying he nailed it.  I sort of wish he wouldn't try, instead do it lower to protect his voice.

That's what he has done in the whole 2009-2010 tour. He kept it quite low, had many big pauses between one leg and another and as a result almost achieved perfect shape in the last two legs.

As far as I know him, I am quite convinced that this tour will be quite a good tour for him, despite the dubious performance at Rome.

[ML]

I was reading MP-forum, but I'll write here because my account there was denied and not activated for some reason.

After seeing videos from 1st and 2nd gig it feels absurd to see some posts, where people think that the playing (MM and DT) misses something. Honestly, those are the first gigs with this lineup ever, of course it's a bit safely performed and still might have some fouls. It's basically useless to compare MM to MP, because MP had always played on DT and knows the songs better than anyone. It's like taking Haake off from Meshuggah and MP would take the seat. I'm sure the gig would not go 100% smoothly. When a certain level of complexity is reached on music, people just can't step in and make everything 100% right on the first rounds, no matter how talented they are. I though MM did awesome job, I can only wait when they've made 100 shows with this line-up!

Overall, without the change of drummer, I'd have most like skipped the next DT album and certainly would not go to see them live anymore. There's something new now and at least for me, this change of lineup was the only one that makes a difference (interest-wise) for me. I don't miss the show-elements of MP, I kind of hope the added live-parts (all funny themes within other songs) would stay away now, I have no interest to long jamming, basically I prefer the material to be played as recorded and at least now they've done so. For me this feels like a band of talented prog musicians again, if I want to see or listen a band of rough guys, DT has never been that, no matter how many tattoos are on the skin or how many celebrities they hang with. In a way, I feel that most of the biggest complainers are a bit newer fans, who were introduced by the albums from the 2000 - and MP's face on the cover of magazines. Some earlier fans remember the band as a group of a bit quiet prog guys, making great prog music, without the hardest modern metal edge on it and are now happy, when that side is coming back, at least in some ways. Maybe I'm wrong...

[tristl]

 
i think for a first show james was brilliant thruout the whole show,
in my opinion since live at budokan he was in all the sconcerts i seen (about six) and all the live cds/dvds excellent.
can anyone tell me which singer does a better job live?

[erik16]

I really like this version of Learning to Live. Instead of ending with the part before the Wait for Sleep reprise, thus coming sort of mini full circle, they prolong the outro, play a unison part and then end the song with  a calm drum ending. It helps to preserve the majestic outro feeling (with the crowd).

[perfey]

Caught in a Web (720p): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8esg4TY8b7I

Peruvian Skies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff_PUzDdP1E

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Anyone notice that JP seems to be more in charge on stage now. More of leader presence? I like it!

That's probably the reason he got so big.

[Hereg Edward]

Here's my video
Sorry for the audio but that bass made this awful audio reocord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWJw8BZGmU

[wasteland]

Artwork I made for the upcoming audio bootleg. Do you like it? 

(full view to see some details)

[TAC]

Looks super, Waste!