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[Kotowboy]

I don't want Jim Cameron to be remembered as the guy who gave us The Terminator, Terminator 2, The Abyss, True Lies, Titanic and then just did Avatar for the rest

of his career. Once Avatar 4 is out - he should do something entirely and completely different.

[Outcrier]

So, which famous Disney classic will they rip off for the script of Avatar 2? 

Which Disney film did they rip off for Avatar ? Was it the one with a really familiar and simple story that's been told many times before it ?

This and you don't watch Avatar for the story anyway.

[Zantera]

That's a pretty lazy excuse.

[Kotowboy]

Nobody cared when it was Gravity.

That film has even less story than Avatar and is even MORE about the visuals.

Don't hear anyone complaining.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Zantera, if you hate Avatar so much, why even post in this thread? I mean, I can see discussing it if it comes up in the movie thread, but why come in this one just to reiterate what you dislike about it?

[Kotowboy]

Probably so they can go " lol butthurt avatar fanboy " when we give perfectly reasonable answers to their every tired and oft-repeated criticism

[Zantera]

I'm still willing to give the sequels a chance though. Cameron's comments on how story/characters will be more fleshed out in a sequel has me interested. The first movie was okay (with some flaws we've gone through before), but a second movie could be good, if those problems are fixed. So even if I'm not a big fan of the original, a sequel will still be interesting. Cameron is a talented filmmaker, and if he is willing to put ~10-15 years of his life into this franchise, I'm still intrigued to see what he comes up with.

Also, regarding Gravity.. I've actually avoided seeing the movie because of the criticism I've heard for it. A movie might look good visually, but if it has zero substance or depth, that's something that will put me off on watching it.

[Kotowboy]

Gravity is more of a thematic movie than a narrative movie.

it doesn't have a strong plot but it does have a thematic through line which is very evident in the movie.

[Outcrier]

I'm still willing to give the sequels a chance though. Cameron's comments on how story/characters will be more fleshed out in a sequel has me interested. The first movie was okay (with some flaws we've gone through before), but a second movie could be good, if those problems are fixed. So even if I'm not a big fan of the original, a sequel will still be interesting. Cameron is a talented filmmaker, and if he is willing to put ~10-15 years of his life into this franchise, I'm still intrigued to see what he comes up with.

Also, regarding Gravity.. I've actually avoided seeing the movie because of the criticism I've heard for it. A movie might look good visually, but if it has zero substance or depth, that's something that will put me off on watching it.

I don't care for Avatar either Zantera and i bet a 2nd movie will be more of the same.

[Kotowboy]

That's good if you like Avatar ! More of the same ? Hell yeah !

[Super Dude]

Nobody cared when it was Gravity.

That film has even less story than Avatar and is even MORE about the visuals.

Don't hear anyone complaining.

Ahem: https://hoppedonpop.com/2013/11/05/the-worlds-end-gravity-invasion-of-the-persona-snatchers/ (Bottom half of the article)

[Kotowboy]

People have mentioned it - but it's not a one-note all encompassing criticism like Avatar gets.

[Chino]

If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty. Some of the stuff was just laughable. I'm sorry, but propelling yourself through space with a fire extiguisher.... fucking stupid. There was nothing in Avatar that was even close to that bad.

I'm really anticipating greatness for the sequels. The story can be taken in a million different directions. One thing I'm really hoping for.... getting to see a more advanced group of natives. We've only seen a very tiny portion of Pandora. Here on Earth, despite our amazing technological advancements, there are still tribes of humans that we’ve yet to make contact with. For all we know, the Na’vi we’ve been introduced to could be on the trailing edge of the Na’vi race. I think it’d be awesome to see groups more advanced with the ability to make war machines and crazy armor.

[Kotowboy]

Seeing as how Stephen Lang is meant to be in it - i'm thinking it would be cool to have a Quaritch Avatar introduced. Or a Quaritch Na'vi .

That's what i'm thinking will happen. Then Jake has to face off against him all over again - only this time he's even more tough.

Supposedly Sigourney is in it again too. Dunno how that one will work.

[Chino]

Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.

As for Quaritch, I don’t know what to expect. Bringing him back is going to be challenging without making it seem forced and unrealistic. It’s safe to say that the humans have mastered cloning, especially seeing as they were able to grow an organic life form while mixing DNA from two species that evolved light years apart. I see one of three possible scenarios. 1) Quaritch has a cloned backup body, exactly like the one that was killed, and just has his most recent memories dumped to it. 2) Quaritch, in the first film, was actually an avatar. He controlled himself without actually putting himself in harm’s way. The real Quaritch is somewhere else. 3) They somehow bring him back, and in conjunction with one of the first two things I mentioned, end up getting him into a Na’vi looking avatar in an attempt to pull off what Jake failed to do. I’m hoping they don’t just throw him back into the mix though. Maybe begin to brew that batch in the second movie, and then have him come back full villain in the third movie. Who knows, maybe he’ll just be in the prequel.



Sidebar. It's a stretch, but I'd love to see footage of Earth where they have captured Na'vi on display at a zoo, or something like that.

[Super Dude]

If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty.

Alright, well it is my personal opinion, and I'm completely OK with us agreeing to disagree, but I feel exactly the same about Avatar. Well OK, not shitty, just not that good.

I don't hate Avatar; I just think the hype is way overblown.

[Chino]

If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty.

Alright, well it is my personal opinion, and I'm completely OK with us agreeing to disagree, but I feel exactly the same about Avatar. Well OK, not shitty, just not that good.

I don't hate Avatar; I just think the hype is way overblown.

I wasn't directing that at you.

[Super Dude]

Oh, I just figured since I was the one who posted the Gravity article. Nvm then, carry on.

[Kotowboy]

Bottom line for me personally :

Loved Avatar. Loved the visuals. The movie was obviously *about* the visuals. Yes, the story was simple and a familiar tale told before several times -

- but that didn't bother me in the slightest as I wouldn't have wanted a complicated story for a film like that anyway.

If anything the simple plot made the film way more fun and exciting.

I thought the pacing in the theatrical release of Avatar was great. Every few scenes - the movie would ramp up and continue to build towards the final

battle - which is worth the ticket price alone in my opinion. James Cameron definitely knows how to frame and direct action.

Also - watching the 90 minute making of - you can see just how much work went into making the movie.

Something along the lines of 1 year of pre-production - 1 year of motion capture - 1 year of live action shooting and 1 year of post production.

That made me appreciate it even more seeing all the work that went into it.

[Chino]

Ditto. I've even gone so far as to watch the movie completely in the volume setting.

Your thought on my predicitions a few posts back?

[Kotowboy]

Interesting thoughts. I don't think it will be too hocus pocus as Jim Cameron likes to have some semblance of scientific fact.

Still 18 months til we find out though.

All 3 scripts are supposedly finished so I don't know how they're going to finish filming Avatar 2 between now and it's December 2016 release.


What is the volume setting ?

I may have to watch the film again with JC commentary if there is one.

[Chino]

Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.

Well - it has been like 6 or 7 years since the first movie - so they might have significantly sped up the rendering process.

[Chino]

Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.

Well - it has been like 6 or 7 years since the first movie - so they might have significantly sped up the rendering process.

No doubt, but they're filming all three at once. Even if it's not all getting the post production treatment before the Dec 2016 release, that's still a crapload of content to capture. Cameron also said he's looking to do 4K and the high frame rate recording. That's probably going to pose problems just being a new venture and all. My fingers are crossed.

[Kotowboy]

Well I waited 12 years for the 1st film

Hmm - there doesn't appear to be any commentary track on my 3 disc avatar DVD. :sadface:

[Chino]

Commentary for what?

[Kotowboy]

Director's audio commentary.

I'd have listened to that if there was one.

[Chino]

Hmm. I don't recall ever listening to one if it's on the Blu-ray release.

[Kotowboy]

Hehe - there's a version of the movie with no bad language though. Ha.

[Chino]

I've watched it from beginning to end in Spanish.

[bosk1]

Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.

Nah.  She'll just be a force ghost.  In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father.  I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.

[sueño]

I ran across this link this morning.   Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? 

https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/

[Super Dude]

I ran across this link this morning.   Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? 

https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=8953.msg1794362;topicseen#msg1794362

[Mister Gold]

Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.

Nah.  She'll just be a force ghost.  In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father.  I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.

 

[Grizz]

Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.

Nah.  She'll just be a force ghost.  In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father.  I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.

It took me too long to get this.