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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Fiery Winds on December 18, 2009, 04:18:44 AM
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Just got back from the midnight showing in 3D.
:laugh: :corn :smiley: :D ;D :o :hefdaddy
:heart :tup
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Fuckkkkkkkk. I really want to see this film.
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Watching it on Monday. C:
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It was an amazing movie, visuals were absolutely stunning. I was surprised by how much I cared about the na'vi by the end of the movie.
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Was going to see it 5 minutes ago but slept in because my last day of college was cancelled :metal
Going to see it in a few hours though \o/
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Spoiler tags in the thread title will be much appreciated.
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I have tickets to go to IMAX 3D tonight! I'm fucking pumped.
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Spoiler tags in the thread title will be much appreciated.
Generally, I agree. But it's a thread about a movie that just came out. Some things don't need an explanation.
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I downloaded the game to my PSP last weekend, but I don't suspect I'll see the movie anytime soon.
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Seeing it Sunday night, one of my friends is being really fanboyish about our impending viewing, though. He sent me a text saying "All of my friends on facebook are saying that this movie is awesome, I can't wait to see it Sunday!!!"
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This was seriously the best film I've seen in a LONG time. The only one that comes close is The Dark Knight. I went in not really knowing much about the film except it being revolutionary in its 3D film making.
The CG was incredible. About 60% was CG (from Wikipedia), and it was done very well. While you could figure out which parts were CG simply because it's not physically possible, it was extremely realistic. Natural facial expressions, beautiful scenery, etc. The first chase scene through the forest had me holding my breath in suspense.
The world of Pandora was alien yet inviting. The story was very compelling and made me feel for the Na'vi as if they were human.
Supposedly, Cameron already has a basic story arc for a three movies (including this one). Given the ending, I can see it being just fine as a single movie, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind going back to Pandora.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
I can guarantee you that the CGI is used to enhance the storytelling, not replace it. The 3D didn't break the 4th wall and the story was compelling. This is not a CGI wankfest like 2012. Even Roger Ebert, who is extremely skeptical of 3D technology said it was the best implementation ever, because it wasn't used as a means to its own ends. He gave the film 4 stars too.
See this movie.
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My local movie theater has options to see the movie in regular definition or the 3D edition and I'm not sure which to go see. Anyone have a second opinion?
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Definitely 3D. Not only because it was filmed specifically for it, but because it is in a full 16x9 format, as opposed to a cropped version for 2D.
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I mean it's not at an IMAX; it's just a regular theater, so I dunno what they're gonna do. Probably just give us cheesy 3D glasses.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
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I didn't see it in IMAX either. The 3D technology used in standard theaters is RealD which is a substantial improvement to the red and blue glasses. I take it you've never seen a 3D movie using the new technology?
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I didn't see it in IMAX either. The 3D technology used in standard theaters is RealD which is a substantial improvement to the red and blue glasses. I take it you've never seen a 3D movie using the new technology?
How'd you guess? :lol
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Definitely do 3D then. It is miles and miles above the red and blue glasses. You can look around and the 3D effect stays the same. It is very crisp, and doesn't give you headaches.
Seriously, you will be coming back after seeing it saying "OMG 3D IS AWESOME!"
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
Screw that, IT WAS EPIC. The visuals weren't just CGI wankfest, the animals, the world, and culture of the Naa'vi was outstandingly thorough and original. The plot was predictable, but in the good way that is delivered so well that it feels brilliantly well done. The CGI is merely a means to do the film, which is why it took Cameron a decade to get the technology to make the film he had always wanted to do, unlike say 2012 which was a 2 year development to cash in on conspiracy theories and cgi.
Bottom line: great writing, well constructed plot, outstanding visuals, insane cgi.
tl;dr: don't talk crap, it was amazing.
(oh and FYI, it has 94% cream of the crop on rotten tomatoes, and every film has some detractors, so whoever said what you quoted is just one of those silly idiots).
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
This is a ridiculous post. How you formed such a strong opinion without seeing the movie is beyond me.
Absolutely with Fiery winds and Faemir on this one, 10/10 movie.
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I think my biggest complaint is that his haircut (as a naa'vi) in the second part was not as good as his first style.
Which says a lot about the film :biggrin:
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Bottom line: great writing, well constructed plot
Every reviewer, even the insanely positive ones, wholeheartedly disagree with you there.
If I want a great visual feat of cgi awesomeness, I'd want it in a video game, not an empty shell of a cliched movie. I know that I may be wrong, and it may be the greatest movie of all timez, but it's not the kind of film that I would want. I plan on seeing it at some point over the holidays, and it would be nice to be proven wrong, since I love all of Cameron's previous films....
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Bottom line: great writing, well constructed plot
Every reviewer, even the insanely positive ones, wholeheartedly disagree with you there.
Really? Every reviewer?
Please stop berating a movie you haven't seen with nonsense comments.
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Bottom line: great writing, well constructed plot
Every reviewer, even the insanely positive ones, wholeheartedly disagree with you there.
from what I saw browsing RT today, this isn't the case at all. The very positive reviews (of which there are many) may say something along the lines of Cameron has some unfortunate lines, and dialogue isn't his strong suit. That's a far cry from "the writing/plot are terrible"
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I've read that yeah, there's some "wince-inducing dialogue" (from my local newspaper) and the plot is familiar and predictable (the same review made a reference to the South Park episode :lol), but I plan on seeing it anyway due to the overwhelmingly positive response its gotten. I really hope its amazing and I can look past story problems.
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Something that everyone should keep in mind: there is no such thing as an "original" plot. All the stories we produce today are based on some play the Greeks wrote thousands of years ago. What's original or isn't is how that story is told. It's inevitable that this movie has a movie has a plot that's been told a thousand times; I could tell you that just looking at the previews. What matters is whether or not it tells it in a new and exciting way, and I hope I won't be disappointed in that.
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Ugh, Rotten Tomatoes is a terrible site.
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It seems to me that people just want criticise the movie because they don't like the positive responses it's getting. The plot is good, much better than most action movies, but people like to tear holes and the plot is the most obvious choice.
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Yes, I love nothing more than to attack things that garner positive critical reception. Oh wait, no, I just dislike Avatar because it's literally ripping off its plot from an earlier film (not basing it on something, not referencing, but outright ripping off) and counting on CGI wank to get people into the theater.
Seriously, that's probably my biggest problem with it. It's depending on people going all "ooh, purty!" at the fucking CGI, rather than counting on good writing or dialog. This is the kind of thing that is ruining modern cinema as we know it.
Something that everyone should keep in mind: there is no such thing as an "original" plot. All the stories we produce today are based on some play the Greeks wrote thousands of years ago. p
Nope. You're wrong. There are plenty of original ideas left.
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Nope. You're wrong. There are plenty of original ideas left.
Ideas, yes. Plots, no.
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Nope. You're wrong. There are plenty of original ideas left.
Ideas, yes. Plots, no.
This is a very important distinction to make. Life itself has not changed in all the millennia of our civilized existence, and so should the tales we relate to remain unchanged. While the wrapping may change, these Greek tragedies and comedies remain in circulation because their message and essential content are universal, adaptable to all cultures and times.
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No. While the Greek tragedies and comedies are certainly still very influential, to say there are no original plots left is nothing but pessimism. I'm a very cynical person, and even I have to disagree.
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It's not pessimism at all. I'm not saying everything's been done and there's nothing new left to do; I'm saying that the Greeks provided the templates for the universal stories. No matter what's on the surface, most life experiences throughout history will generally follow similar patterns because that's simply the way life works.
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I forget who it was, but someone said "There are only 15 original stories in the world, and everything is just a derivation or combination of those".
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That's like saying I'm providing the template for every possible experience because I say that things will either be positive, negative, or neutral. If you define things broadly enough, of course every plot has been done.
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That's like saying I'm providing the template for every possible experience because I say that things will either be positive, negative, or neutral. If you define things broadly enough, of course every plot has been done.
Well that's the point we're trying to make. The particulars may change, but they're all the same basic stories when you take them down to bare bones.
I forget who it was, but someone said "There are only 15 original stories in the world, and everything is just a derivation or combination of those".
I don't remember who it was either, but that's exactly the quote I have in mind.
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Good lord, I've never felt so overwhelmed by a movie.
Obviously, this is the greatest CGI ever pulled off. The CG and real world stuff feel like one consistent reality. On the other hand, I'm still not quite sure it's photo realistic. Some shots did feel photo realistic, and they contrasted with the ones that didn't.
But what makes the CG ultimately work so well is two-fold. It is legitimately visionary. This isn't George Lucas coming up with new action figures. Pandora felt like a real place. The other thing is the scale. The Star Wars movies and the new Transformers movies are just so out of control with what they do. Avatar has a lot of huge moments, but they never get so absurd that they're incomprehensible.
As for the 3D. Amazing. Some shots are better than others, but, again, it all blends into a consistent overall experience. There were moments where I had to remind myself I wasn't really looking at a table. Yeah, some of the shots were that good. I still don't know what I think of 3D, but Cameron makes a convincing argument.
Of course, as always, movies boil down to story. How does Avatar do? Well, it's kinda complicated.
Anyone who calls the story weak or something like that is seriously wrong and needs to avoid talking about movies. By any objective measure, this is a very good story.
But here's the thing, this isn't any other movie. This is the most expensive film ever made. When you're watching the most expensive film ever made, you story feels like it should be the greatest story ever told on film. And I just can't say that about Avatar. The Dark Knight, for its flaws, is a story worthy of being the second-highest grossing film of all time.
But if I can get into some spoiler territory for a moment, it's break down the story for Avatar. Guy gets to go on cool mission purely through chance. Guy has a special place in the hearts of his human masters. Guy falls in with the native tribe. He bounces between his tribe and his military masters, learning the culture of the native tribe. The guy falls in love with a woman from the native tribe. Eventually, the human masters attack the natives. The guy tries telling the natives to leave, but they don't listen and now think he's a traitor, even though they just accepted him. The humans destroy their home. The guy does something crazy to get back in with the natives. He leads them to attack the human base. The humans decide to preemptively attack one of their holy spots. Big battle ensues, natives win. Humans are evicted from Pandora.
Is this a good story well told? Yes. But is it as good as the stories for movies like The Godfather, The Dark Knight, or Groundhog Day? Well, eh. I hate to say this, but no.
And that's why I have a hard time digesting this movie. Terminator 2 had a story that was profound. I don't even know why, but it just was. With The Dark Knight, I immediately and viscerally knew that it was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.
Anyone who says Avatar isn't a good movie - again, please don't talk. Nobody likes a hater. But, ultimately, I don't think more money, time, effort, and vision have ever been put into a film. It's a shame all that time and effort couln't have been spent on a five star story instead of a four star story.
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As always Reap, the in-depth look is much appreciated. :tup
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Here's what I will say. Unquestionably see this in theaters. Not since The Dark Knight has there been a comparable cinematic experience.
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I can't wait to see this Sunday.
A bit off-topic Reap, but what movie would be before The Dark Knight that is comparable cinematic experience?
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I can't wait to see this Sunday.
A bit off-topic Reap, but what movie would be before The Dark Knight that is comparable cinematic experience?
Probably Iron Man.
Something I thought of. The movements of the CGI characters were completely natural. I don't know if they looked photo realistic, but they moved like real actors. Cameron's motion capture technology paid off.
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I love how in the new edition of Entertainment Weekly they not only leave Avatar off both reviewers top 10 lists for best films of the year, but they make it seem like they forgot about their review for it and stuck it in a small box on one of the last pages, giving it a "B" grade. :laugh: ("As a spectacle, Avatar is indelible-a true rush-but as a movie it all but evaporates as you watch it.)
Look, I think why there are a few of us "haters" is because we loved the gritty realism of the CGI and FX of the old days. Not this new "in your face" video game looking, clean, sterile, motion-capture, blue/neon, "bloom-effect" crap. And we wanted our Lord and savior, James Cameron, back. Not this new turd who took over his body...
I'm sorry that I have an opinion. I said the same things when Spiderman was released, and everyone cried and screamed at me. I hated that film to death. What a turd of a movie. And now people are slowly realizing that it was a pile of crap, too. It just takes a few years for the shit to clear from people's eyes.
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Wait, have you actually seen the movie yet?
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Wait, have you actually seen the movie yet?
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No. I'm just being a shithead! :P
I think I'll go see it tomorrow, though. Maybe a matinee...
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I can't wait to see this Sunday.
A bit off-topic Reap, but what movie would be before The Dark Knight that is comparable cinematic experience?
Probably Iron Man.
Something I thought of. The movements of the CGI characters were completely natural. I don't know if they looked photo realistic, but they moved like real actors. Cameron's motion capture technology paid off.
This. I just saw it again (took my brother and his friend) and really picked up the subtleties of the characters, especially the facial expressions. That's what sold me on the realism of the character.
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Must see movie, in theatres, in 3D.
For other thoughts, it's late, so I agree with Reapsta. (Except I don't have as big a hard-on for Dark Knight as he does.)
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Has anyone noticed that the people in this thread have said it's a crap movie haven't seen it, while those who have said it's great? :azn:
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Has anyone noticed that the people in this thread have said it's a crap movie haven't seen it, while those who have said it's great? :azn:
In my time on these boards I have never seen this sort of over the top criticism of a movie from people who haven't actually watched the movie.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
I got back around 2:30 this morning, and am still blown away by how amazing this movie was. I at no point felt like I wanted the movie to end. Looking around Pandora was a pleasure in itself. I wouldn't change a thing in that movie, I thought it was perfect. I can't remember the last time I walked out of a movie feeling so satisfied. Go see it.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
I got back around 2:30 this morning, and am still blown away by how amazing this movie was. I at no point felt like I wanted the movie to end. Looking around Pandora was a pleasure in itself. I wouldn't change a thing in that movie, I thought it was perfect. I can't remember the last time I walked out of a movie feeling so satisfied. Go see it.
The only thing not perfect was his silly new haircut near the end :lol
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Look, I think why there are a few of us "haters" is because we loved the gritty realism of the CGI and FX of the old days. Not this new "in your face" video game looking, clean, sterile, motion-capture, blue/neon, "bloom-effect" crap. And we wanted our Lord and savior, James Cameron, back. Not this new turd who took over his body...
See I'm really curious about this statement. What movies does this describe? Just to name a few...
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Has anyone noticed that the people in this thread have said it's a crap movie haven't seen it, while those who have said it's great? :azn:
In my time on these boards I have never seen this sort of over the top criticism of a movie from people who haven't actually watched the movie.
Really? I sure have.
I'm hoping to go see this on Tuesday.
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Has anyone noticed that the people in this thread have said it's a crap movie haven't seen it, while those who have said it's great? :azn:
In my time on these boards I have never seen this sort of over the top criticism of a movie from people who haven't actually watched the movie.
Really? I sure have.
I'm hoping to go see this on Tuesday.
Have fun ;D
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I'm sorry that I have an opinion. I said the same things when Spiderman was released, and everyone cried and screamed at me. I hated that film to death. What a turd of a movie. And now people are slowly realizing that it was a pile of crap, too. It just takes a few years for the shit to clear from people's eyes.
Since when are people suddenly saying Spiderman is shit? Spiderman 3, yeah. And plenty of people hated that one at release anyway.
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While we're on the topic of Spider-Man in a James Cameron related thread, has anyone seen the screenplay he wrote for a Spider-Man movie? It might make you reconsider what you think of the guy. :lol
https://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spiderman-script-screenplay-james-cameron.html
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While we're on the topic of Spider-Man in a James Cameron related thread, has anyone seen the screenplay he wrote for a Spider-Man movie? It might make you reconsider what you think of the guy. :lol
https://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spiderman-script-screenplay-james-cameron.html
Well that's long.
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It's also absurd and hilarious.
Some highlights:
Doc Ock is now Proffessor Octopus
He has an assistant named Wiener, which leads to some hilarious descriptions (Peter came face to face with the hulking Wiener)
He calls his mechanical arms "Waldos", which also leads to some hilarious descriptions (his WALDOS akimbo like the cartoon cat)
Most of the story is about Ock trying to steal Peter's homework
One of the characters is nicknamed Shooshoo
Ock calls himself Spider-Man a lot for no reason
Ock's catch phrase is "Okey Dokey", he says it about 15 times
Dialogue like "Holy jumping jelly beans" and "You are the dummiest administrator"
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the gritty realism of the CGI and FX of the old days.
See I'm really curious about this statement. What movies does this describe? Just to name a few...
Jurassic Park, Terminator, Terminator 2, Star Wars episodes 4 5 6, Bladerunner, Alien, Aliens, etc. Those are just a slim few that I can come up with at the top of my head at the moment. And I'm not just talking about CGI, if you noticed, but FX in general as well.
I think I'm just becoming a grumpy old man who can't give up my love for maverick film-making....(and sorry about the Spiderman topic, I just hate that movie so much it hurts)
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the gritty realism of the CGI and FX of the old days.
See I'm really curious about this statement. What movies does this describe? Just to name a few...
Jurassic Park, Terminator, Terminator 2, Star Wars episodes 4 5 6, Bladerunner, Alien, Aliens, etc.
So you would rather have the subpar cgi in those old movies rather than a revolutionary new one that looks practically real? :-\ [insert stuff about the rancor etc here]
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I'd rather see use of more actual props and models with appropriate use of CG rather than these movies that are 50% CGI.
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Yup.
And a lot of the FX were not CGI, but they were also subtle at times even. I'm being crabby, and I should stop trying to defend my views about Avatar when I haven't seen it on the big screen with 3D glasses yet. I am only basing this on the crappy trailers and footage that have been shown to us online. Maybe they rendered the footage better for the bigger screen, and made the environments look less like Halo than they do in the preview footage. This seems to be the case, because every kid across the nation came in their pants this weekend over it.
(Just for the sake of the argument, I'd rather have crappy FX than the "best-ever CGI work" if said CGI is done in spite of the rest of the elements that go into a film)
@SIGZ: I AGREE 100%!!!!!!!!!!
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Yup.
And a lot of the FX were not CGI, but they were also subtle at times even. I'm being crabby, and I should stop trying to defend my views about Avatar when I haven't seen it on the big screen with 3D glasses yet. I am only basing this on the crappy trailers and footage that have been shown to us online. Maybe they rendered the footage better for the bigger screen, and made the environments look less like Halo than they do in the preview footage. This seems to be the case, because every kid across the nation came in their pants this weekend over it.
(Just for the sake of the argument, I'd rather have crappy FX than the "best-ever CGI work" if said CGI is done in spite of the rest of the elements that go into a film)
@SIGZ: I AGREE 100%!!!!!!!!!!
Fair enough, but the CGI is not done in spite of the rest of the film - it is perfectly done, this is why it's such an achievement, and not just cgi-whoring like 2012. It's craploads of uber advanced CGI, done pretty much perfectly, and because its a step up in technology, not just the latest good looking cgi, but more of a Star Wars kind of step up, it is even more astounding.
I think you just need to go see it really, it's pretty jaw dropping, and I hate using CGI for the sake of CGI, trust me :)
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I have some free tickets to see it, so I'll definitely go, but I know I'm going to be put off by the CG.
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If it helps, I just came back from seeing it and I can very assuredly tell you that Reap was dead-on. The plot isn't groundbreaking, but the CGI is certainly not a substitute for quality writing. The movie tells its story well and the characters are rich and well-developed.
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I hope it's good. It's not like I want this film to be bad. I didn't get the chance to see it today, but I'll try sometime this week.
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I have some free tickets to see it, so I'll definitely go, but I know I'm going to be put off by the CG.
Not if you can't tell it's CG :neverusethis:
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I really enjoyed it. The CGI was astounding, and the plot, although predictable and not totally original, was better then I had expected. The most amazing thing is that this is by far the most extensive and realistic creation of a CGI world from scratch. It didn't feel like some made up and ridiculous planet, but a place that could actually be real.
All in all I think it is a must-see movie. Just go see it, you will not regret it.
Oh btw, I didn't get the impression that the native race and the Avatars were actually like 10 feet tall from the commercials
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Oh btw, I didn't get the impression that the native race and the Avatars were actually like 10 feet tall from the commercials
Yeah, when I first saw him it was all O_O HOLY SHIT.
The most amazing thing is that this is by far the most extensive and realistic creation of a CGI world from scratch. It didn't feel like some made up and ridiculous planet, but a place that could actually be real.
That's the thing! It's such a beautiful planet that Cameron has constructed that he's used the amazing CGI to it's advantage to make a world where you keep having to remind yourself through the film that it's not real.
And as long as people go into the film with an open mind, then i'm fine.
If they come out saying it was bad anyway, well then you are jus silly ;D
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I can't wait to see this Sunday.
A bit off-topic Reap, but what movie would be before The Dark Knight that is comparable cinematic experience?
Probably The Lord of the Rings
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I have now seen this movie 3 times. It is no doubt it is in my top 10 movies of all time.
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Just saw it a second time. It blew me away again. I truly love Sigourney Weaver and Michelle Rodriguez.
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I knew I should have kept the 3D glasses... I'll have to pay another £2.10 to get them :yeahright
But atleast I get the cinema ticket free.
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I just purchased tickets to another IMAX showing tomorrow night. :metal :metal will be my 4th time seeing it.
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I just purchased tickets to another IMAX showing tomorrow night. :metal :metal will be my 4th time seeing it.
>:(
I have to wait till JANUARY to see it IMAX. But at least it's in 3D.
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I knew I should have kept the 3D glasses... I'll have to pay another £2.10 to get them :yeahright
But atleast I get the cinema ticket free.
I thought about that too, but when I asked, they said the glasses are free, the extra charge is for the technology. ::) So no use in keeping them.
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I knew I should have kept the 3D glasses... I'll have to pay another £2.10 to get them :yeahright
But atleast I get the cinema ticket free.
I thought about that too, but when I asked, they said the glasses are free, the extra charge is for the technology. ::) So no use in keeping them.
:yeahright >:(
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I just came back from seeing this movie and this is really the best use of CGI ever! Without a doubt!
Now, the story, as has been pointed out, is not groundbreaking or original at all. But it's told in a very good way. I definitely got a cowboys vs. indians, Pocahontas vibe from the story but I don't think it subtracts that much from the film.
The attention to detail Cameron did to Pandora is second to none! This is not CGI for the sake of CGI, James Cameron literally created a whole world! The flora, the fauna, the atmosphere, the day and night cycles, goddamn was I blown away by the attention to detail and scope of the enviroment!!
SPOILER ALERT!!
The part I loved the most about the movie was that the didn't take the cheap way out when Jake was fighting Quaritch! When Jake rams the knife into the cockpit and he takes off the... well the cockpit glass because I can't remember what's that called, I was so expecting him to die from the plot device about the atmosphere being deadly, thank you for not doing that James Cameron.
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SPOILER ALERT
At one point in the battle, the part where it seems like all hope is lost, there is a cut to an alien horse that's on fire, riding through the battlefield. I saw a similar interpretation in the Animatrix, where a machine is riding a mechanical horse through the battlefield of the Machine/Human wars, and it's on fire and slowly breaks down. Does anybody know if this is some sort of cultural motif of which I'm not aware?
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I've seen a similar scene to that on another movie I can't remember the name right now...
By the way, Avatar tied Inglourious Basterds as the best movie I saw this year.
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SPOILER ALERT!!
The part I loved the most about the movie was that the didn't take the cheap way out when Jake was fighting Quaritch! When Jake rams the knife into the cockpit and he takes off the... well the cockpit glass because I can't remember what's that called, I was so expecting him to die from the plot device about the atmosphere being deadly, thank you for not doing that James Cameron.
Actually I thought that was really cheap. The atmosphere not being breathable never felt the least bit dangerous, and most of the time I forgot it was even supposed to be like that.
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SPOILER ALERT!!
The part I loved the most about the movie was that the didn't take the cheap way out when Jake was fighting Quaritch! When Jake rams the knife into the cockpit and he takes off the... well the cockpit glass because I can't remember what's that called, I was so expecting him to die from the plot device about the atmosphere being deadly, thank you for not doing that James Cameron.
Actually I thought that was really cheap. The atmosphere not being breathable never felt the least bit dangerous, and most of the time I forgot it was even supposed to be like that.
Me too, but when that happened I instantly thought: "Oh don't tell me you're gonna go that route to end your big final fight?!?!"
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What I didn't like was how the chick Navi was trapped under the dead animal until right when she needed to free herself.
The atmosphere thing was cool because it led to two of the Colonel's finest moments. First, when he ran out into the hangar to shoot at the escaping choppers. And then, when he held his breath again during the final fight.
As horrible as that guy was, he wasn't a sniveling opportunist who ran away at the first sign of trouble. He was serious about what he wanted to do.
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His performance was great, so was Sam Worthington's.
He's fast becoming a favorite of mine, he saved Terminator Salvation from just being a Michael Bay film and has a another good one here.
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I wasn't too thrilled with Terminator Salvation personally, mostly because I saw the film as merely being a fan service.
I do agree however that Stephen Lang (the Colonel) really shone in this film.
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I thought he was pretty shit. Well, maybe he was okay with what he was given, but the character was complete cliche garbage.
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I think that was the point. Given the archetype he was meant to fill, how necessary was it he break the trend? And if anything, I feel as if he brought new life to a very tired archetype.
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By the way, Stephen Lang is 57 years old. :eek
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By the way, Stephen Lang is 57 years old. :eek
:omg:
What I didn't like was how the chick Navi was trapped under the dead animal until right when she needed to free herself.
See I was fine with it because it didn't come off as cheesy. I was thinking "oh no its gonna be some cheesy save by her at the last minute" but instead she cooly gets up and shoots him twice with her bow.
If it had been something like either he goes for her instead and Jake sacrificed himself for her, or she sacrificed herself for him, or she saved him in a more silly way than just shooting him, but it felt more believable and real, like a miraculous random event rather than a cliche, lame moment. At that point I could feel my heart pounding and I was all "shit shit shit get free damn it!"
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:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy JAMES CAMERON
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Saw this in 3D yesterday and I was overwhelmed. Literally. Greatst spectacle i've ever seen.
I'm going again ASAP.
11/10 :tup
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Haters of this movie, just go watch it, it is freaking amazing. And I have a crush on Neytiri. . .
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Also, CGI sex. :lol
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Yeah, at first I was just clearing my throat, then I proceeded to imitate baby-making music when it continued.
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Wow chicka wow ow
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For those interested, the score is really fuckin' good. I'm not a die-hard James Horner fan, but the man does solid work for James Cameron (Aliens, Titanic). Here's a track I've thrown on more than a couple of times, showcasing the main theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Wqi0FSLec
And for those of you who want some epic goodness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQEY2kBbnAY&feature=related
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Though obviously it's a matter of opinion, I just don't understand why people are raving about this film. It's an unoriginal story, poorly told, with effects that don't come close to living up to the hype.
The world James Cameron created didn't come off as believable at all. On top of that, it was basically Ferngully, right down to the comically evil invaders and the can-do-no-wrong natives. Also, Unobtainium? Seriously?
It was a mediocre film at best. It irritates me to no end people praising it as an incredible film when it's basically a two and a half hour fucking tech demo, with a rehashed plot, not well told, with unimpressive acting.
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I'm gonna go see this movie again before this week ends!
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Though obviously it's a matter of opinion, I just don't understand why people are raving about this film. It's an unoriginal story, poorly told, with effects that don't come close to living up to the hype.
The world James Cameron created didn't come off as believable at all. On top of that, it was basically Ferngully, right down to the comically evil invaders and the can-do-no-wrong natives. Also, Unobtainium? Seriously?
It was a mediocre film at best. It irritates me to no end people praising it as an incredible film when it's basically a two and a half hour fucking tech demo, with a rehashed plot, not well told, with unimpressive acting.
While I'd be willing to accept anyone's criticism with the story, the accomplishments with the CG are beyond anything we've seen so far.
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All I'm saying is that I saw the CG, and it wasn't nearly as impressive as they're making it out to be. The CG wasn't bad, but I definitely didn't see it as revolutionary, or the future of visual effects.
Plus, again, a 160 minute tech demo does not make for a good movie.
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I don't understand your gripes about the acting; I think they did just fine. Then again, I am a Michelle Rodriguez fanboy.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
Then why did you see it? You decided you didn't want to like the movie before you saw it, that's why it didn't work on you.
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I think you can make a number of legitimate criticisms of the CGI, and I think to some degree you can say it was overhyped.
But what you have to realize is that Cameron created CGI a CGI world that, while not necessarily photo realistic, still blended in consistently with the live action footage. Not to say that incredible CGI hasn't been done before, but Cameron built a planet from the ground up with CGI, and it looks like a real place. That's just ridiculous, and I'd argue the greatest accomplishment from a technical standpoint of any CGI in film.
Plus, like a couple people have said, the CGI is used to tell the story. Lucas doesn't understand this, Cameron does. I don't know if you need this level of production value to tell this story (maybe my biggest complaint with the movie), but nothing on the screen is superfluous.
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In my own defense, I was skeptical about all the hype-building. Then I decided on my own time to look up a trailer on YouTube, and that's what convinced me that I needed to see this movie.
As for your point about Cameron knowing how to tell a story with CGI better than Lucas, I absolutely agree. In a way, I feel like Cameron used the CGI as a vehicle for telling this story he really wanted to tell; Lucas used the story as a vehicle for CGI technology that he really wanted to show off, and as a fan pleaser (not that I feel like anyone except us new-generation Star Wars fans really gave a shit about Anakin).
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I read an interview with Cameron that he knew a lot of people were building the ultimate Avatar movie in their minds, and he felt that they would be let down with their unrealistic expectations and should just watch the movie.
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I don't understand your gripes about the acting; I think they did just fine. Then again, I am a Michelle Rodriguez fanboy.
I hate the fact she rarely gets to live in movies, and even TV shows.
It's like she makes a clause when she signs on projects: "My character has to die!! OK?!?!"
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
Then why did you see it? You decided you didn't want to like the movie before you saw it, that's why it didn't work on you.
Because otherwise people give the usual bullshit line of "You can't really criticize it if you haven't seen it".
To be fair, I paid for a ticket to a different movie, so I didn't actually support it. Immoral? Maybe, but the theater gets the same cut either way (actually, they get more, because their cut increases the longer a movie is out).
I went in as unbiased as possible. There have been other films I thought I was going to hate that were actually good, and there have been films I thought I'd love that let me down. I always judge a film on its merits, not a preconceived impression.
With this film, I went in willing to give it a chance, and it was just rubbish.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
Then why did you see it? You decided you didn't want to like the movie before you saw it, that's why it didn't work on you.
Give TL credit for doing something intellectually honest by actually seeing the movie he's criticizing.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
Then why did you see it? You decided you didn't want to like the movie before you saw it, that's why it didn't work on you.
Give TL credit for doing something intellectually honest by actually seeing the movie he's criticizing.
Exactly. I plan on doing the same sometime soon. It's not fair for me to critique a film based solely on footage found online and it trailers (which is what I've been doing). That's the marketing department's fault, not Cameron's.
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Hell, you will never get 100% unanimity on deciding whether a movie is awesome. I know plenty of people that didn't enjoy it.
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So I got back from my 4th viewing a few minutes ago. I have concluded that I am now going to be forever depressed that I will never live in a place like Pandora.
One thing that hit me while watching it. The flouting mountains or whatever they are called.... are they made out of that unobtanium rock and float because of the magnetic flux created by the tree of souls?
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One thing that hit me while watching it. The flouting mountains or whatever they are called.... are they made out of that unobtanium rock and float because of the magnetic flux created by the tree of souls?
Yep. According to a wiki I read, at least.
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I don't think that I would mind watching a Na'vi porno.
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lolqué?
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Yes, I love nothing more than to attack things that garner positive critical reception. Oh wait, no, I just dislike Avatar because it's literally ripping off its plot from an earlier film (not basing it on something, not referencing, but outright ripping off) and counting on CGI wank to get people into the theater.
Seriously, that's probably my biggest problem with it. It's depending on people going all "ooh, purty!" at the fucking CGI, rather than counting on good writing or dialog. This is the kind of thing that is ruining modern cinema as we know it.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. The thing that makes this movie so outstanding is that by the end of the movie your forget that Pandora is not a real place. It is so beautiful and lifelike you forget that you are even looking at CGI. If anything, this movie has regained my confidence in modern cinema.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
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It's depending on people going all "ooh, purty!" at the fucking CGI, rather than counting on good writing or dialog. This is the kind of thing that is ruining modern cinema as we know it.
There is a difference between "cgi wank" and the most comprehensive, astounding, realistic, unique looking world that has even been made in film.
It's like saying that 2012 and Avatar are one and the same, when they clearly are not.
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It was 2012 that relied on cheap theatrics and petty attempts at pulling heartstrings. That movie made me sick.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
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I'm really liking the OST for Avatar, having not heard James Horner's work before. I like how the movie allowed for a lot of quiet, more subtle stuff compared to my usual affair of Pirates of the Caribbean / Lord of the Rings etc :tup
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
That's why it was so bad, he tried to cash-in! Lucas had 20+ years betwen RotJ and TPM and still made Jar Jar Binks!
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
That's why it was so bad, he tried to cash-in! Lucas had 20+ years betwen RotJ and TPM and still made Jar Jar Binks!
Cameron did Spiderman?
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He did a script for it.
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I'm really liking the OST for Avatar, having not heard James Horner's work before. I like how the movie allowed for a lot of quiet, more subtle stuff compared to my usual affair of Pirates of the Caribbean / Lord of the Rings etc :tup
That's something I noticed as well and it pleased me. I hate how movies these days try to have a minute of music for every minute of footage. Silence is good sometimes too.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
That's why it was so bad, he tried to cash-in! Lucas had 20+ years betwen RotJ and TPM and still made Jar Jar Binks!
If we're being technical, there aren't twenty years between Jedi and The Phantom Menace. My point was that he didn't write the story in a day in order to win a screenplay contest. The only thing your post is faulting him for is having the means to make his own movie since Cameron couldn't. The criticism of Jar Jar is pretty overplayed, especially at this point in time. I realize it would just open up a debate if I mentioned how good The Phantom Menace turned out to be, but despite popular belief, none of the prequels received overall bad reviews (in fact, all of them have a higher average score than Return of the Jedi). That's something I doubt Cameron's Spider-Man would have, especially considering his casting choice for Professor Octopus was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
(https://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/movie_scripts/spiderman5.jpg)
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Good screenwriters can write awful scripts, and sometimes awful screenwriters can shit gold. The unreleased Spiderman script aside, remember that Cameron wrote the Terminator series, Aliens, and Titanic. Lucas may have come up with the Star Wars series, but he's also the brainchild of THX 1138, Willow, and Howard the Duck.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
That's why it was so bad, he tried to cash-in! Lucas had 20+ years betwen RotJ and TPM and still made Jar Jar Binks!
If we're being technical, there aren't twenty years between Jedi and The Phantom Menace. My point was that he didn't write the story in a day in order to win a screenplay contest. The only thing your post is faulting him for is having the means to make his own movie since Cameron couldn't. The criticism of Jar Jar is pretty overplayed, especially at this point in time. I realize it would just open up a debate if I mentioned how good The Phantom Menace turned out to be, but despite popular belief, none of the prequels received overall bad reviews (in fact, all of them have a higher average score than Return of the Jedi). That's something I doubt Cameron's Spider-Man would have, especially considering his casting choice for Professor Octopus was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Okey Dokey!!
Why so serious?
My post were in a joking manner, though Jar Jar is still a bad character. And I love the prequels as much as the sequels in Star Wars. Yeah, I kinda exaggerated there on the years, he had more like 16.
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The first draft of a Phantom Menace script was written in '94, so actually only eleven years passed.
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SO ITS A GOOD FILM RIGHT
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SO ITS A GOOD FILM RIGHT
/repairs the rails of the thread
The best film ever. This is the conclusion I have come to.
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The first draft of a Phantom Menace script was written in '94, so actually only eleven years passed.
I was talking in release dates.
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SO ITS A GOOD FILM RIGHT
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The best film ever. This is the conclusion I have come to.
I still prefer Donnie Darko, but even I don't know why I love that film so much.
I haven't made my mind up if I prefer LotR yet either.
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Oh how any movie thread can quickly become anti-Lucas. :lol Even though Lucas never wrote anything in the same building as bad as Cameron's Spider-Man. Overall, he's a better story teller in my opinion.
I'm gonna try to make it to a showing today.
Difference being that Cameron never made that Spider-Man and Lucas made Jar Jar Binks.
Oh but he tried. The only thing to Cameron's credit on that one is that it never got green-lit. He wrote it in a matter of days as a complete cash-in. Jar Jar > Cameron's Spider-Man.
That's why it was so bad, he tried to cash-in! Lucas had 20+ years betwen RotJ and TPM and still made Jar Jar Binks!
If we're being technical, there aren't twenty years between Jedi and The Phantom Menace. My point was that he didn't write the story in a day in order to win a screenplay contest. The only thing your post is faulting him for is having the means to make his own movie since Cameron couldn't. The criticism of Jar Jar is pretty overplayed, especially at this point in time. I realize it would just open up a debate if I mentioned how good The Phantom Menace turned out to be, but despite popular belief, none of the prequels received overall bad reviews (in fact, all of them have a higher average score than Return of the Jedi). That's something I doubt Cameron's Spider-Man would have, especially considering his casting choice for Professor Octopus was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Okey Dokey!!
Why so serious?
My post were in a joking manner, though Jar Jar is still a bad character. And I love the prequels as much as the sequels in Star Wars. Yeah, I kinda exaggerated there on the years, he had more like 16.
Fair enough. I didn't intend to be overly serious either, but I have a knee jerk reaction when it comes to the subject, so I apologize if I came off strong. On that note, the only movie of his that I've seen that I can honestly say is bad is Howard the Duck.
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Then clearly you've never seen Willow or THX 1138. ;) I honestly can't say which is worse; they're both utterly shit.
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SO ITS A GOOD FILM RIGHT
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The best film ever. This is the conclusion I have come to.
You're completely deluded. I really enjoyed it, as it was a great time at the movies, and the technical achievement is amazing. But there are soooo many problems with the plot, characters and dialogue it's not even funny.
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I don't think Chino was 100% serious about that...
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You're completely deluded. I really enjoyed it, as it was a great time at the movies, and the technical achievement is amazing. But there are soooo many problems with the plot, characters and dialogue it's not even funny.
In a lot of places, it felt like the first draft of a script.
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Despite all of it's flaws (discussed already in this thread), I thought the movie was amazing. Saw it last night in Imax 3D. My contacts were dried out and my eyes were tearing up towards the end due to only blinking about 6 times throughout the movie. I'm not sure if this will translate well to DVD and repeat watchings due to some of it's flaws, but overall it was a great movie experience.
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In a lot of places, it felt like the first draft of a script.
It does! Which is funny, because the real first draft was written over 10 years ago. And at least one version of the script sounds much better than what we got.
A lot of the film's problems, and some great insight into the earlier script can be read in this monster article: https://www.aintitcool.com/node/43429
Or you can listen to the author discuss the same things in this podcast: https://www.cortandfatboy.com/podcasts/monday-december-21st-2009 starting at 21:08. (Though the whole show is worth a listen.)
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I'm not as critical of the movie as Mike Russel, but he makes a lot of new points. At some point, I'm gonna have a coherent opinion of this movie.
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I'm not as critical of the movie as Mike Russel, but he makes a lot of new points. At some point, I'm gonna have a coherent opinion of this movie.
This. He made a lot of good points, and that original script sounds incredible. I can see why it didn't make it to screen though, in this family-friendly market we have nowadays, not to mention that chances are it would've suffered in the box office even if it did get stellar reviews, for the same reasons.
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What Russel seems to forget is that the movie's already over two and a half hours long. If you added the other stuff back into the movie, it would run at least three hours.
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True, or Cameron could forego the cutesy stuff altogether, but then he'd just be making another Alien movie.
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True, or Cameron could forego the cutesy stuff altogether, but then he'd just be making another Alien movie.
Well, I mean, here's the thing. Has anyone been able to boil down to a sentence or two yet what's wrong with the movie's story? I mean, the flaws are obviously there, but that do they come down to? From what I can tell, the overall problems are:
- Too on the nose with its message
- Nothing that unexpected really happens
- Too many scenes that we knew were coming
- Too many things are too simple
- Dialog is kinda problematic.
- A couple moments that are just unintentionally funny, like the beginnings of Na'vi sex.
But I mean, those five points are still five separate points. What's the single unifying theory of what went wrong with Avatar's story? In my mind, it's the lack of complexity. I don't know about other people, but I would have been willing to sit through a three hour version of Avatar if it was significantly improved. But I don't know if that flies with the general movie-going public.
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Those were my thoughts exactly; beautiful cinematography are really all you need these days, which is pretty sad in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I still think Avatar was brilliant. What distinguishes it from other CGI porn is that instead of trying to do bigger and better than contemporaries, Cameron has actually gone ahead and pushed the envelope on what is possible.
The part that's rather unfortunate is that if you give audiences anything more than that, you'll be met with complaints.
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Mike Russel actually makes a good point in his podcast. The very stripped down narrative just isn't what Cameron's good at. Cameron's good at taking a lot of different ideas and melding them together based around simple ideas. But when you just have the simple ideas, at least the way Cameron does it, it feels incomplete.
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And so that's what we got. It really makes me wish he'd go back in a few years and give us his original vision of Avatar.
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Then clearly you've never seen Willow or THX 1138. ;) I honestly can't say which is worse; they're both utterly shit.
Cute, but yes I've seen them both.
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Don't tell me you liked Willow?
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And so that's what we got. It really makes me wish he'd go back in a few years and give us his original vision of Avatar.
It might happen to some extent. Apparently he did actually film the Earth scenes.
On the podcast Scurvy linked, the guys were discussing how Avatar is kinda like Star Wars, with both its advantages and flaws. But there's one crucial element where I disagree with them.
The Star Wars original trilogy story is simple, but it's genius (even if Lucas didn't realize it when he made it, and still doesn't realize it now). Everything you think is going to happen does happen, but it happens in an interesting way. You know Luke is gonna fight the empire. But it happens because Storm Troopers massacre his house while he's gone. You know Han is going to come back at the end, but he does it by saving Luke from Vader. You kinda know that Vader's going to redeem himself and save Luke, but the journey to that point makes it a huge moment when it happens. You know Luke is gonna be temped to the dark side, but Lucas pushes it as far as he possibly can.
To James Cameron's credit, he understands the idea of setups and payoffs. If something important happens in a movie, you have to lay it in so it doesn't come out of no where. If you say something important exists, we then have to see why it's important. The problem is that the setups and payoffs in Avatar are completely predictable. The moment we hear about riding the huge bird, we know that Sully is going to do it. And when he does, it doesn't happen in an interesting way. The whole plot really just kinda feels like that. You can do a plot where the audience knows what's going to happen, but you have to do it in a super interesting way. Star Wars did that, Avatar kinda doesn't.
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I actually agree with that completely, even the points unrelated to your main argument. You, my friend, know your movies.
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Reap your PM box is full so I'll post my response here:
I was into film a number of years ago but anymore. However, I would love to see what you've got; I am still a writer, after all, and I still know how to read scripts.
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I don't think Chino was 100% serious about that...
I was about 95% serious. This movie is definitely in my top 5. Regardless of the the slight flaws, the movie is still amazing. I never wished I lived in a made up world as much as I do for Pandora. The whole concept that all of nature can be tapped into by everything else within it is just awesome.
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The movie is certainly very immersive. I know a lot of people complain about it being nothing more than a 150-minute tech demo, but it really isn't; it actually does a great job at making Pandora believable.
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Don't tell me you liked Willow?
I'm trying not to derail this too much, but like is a strong word. I think it's absurd, but I wouldn't call it bad.
Beyond that, yes, Reap does bring up some interesting points. I've enjoyed the film theory classes I took as an undergrad and I love talking to my coworkers in the film department about all of the things casual viewers don't address and what is really going on with stories. It'll be even more exciting next fall when I get to take the advanced grad level screenplay writing and film criticism courses.
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I read up and listened to Mike Russel, and he critiqued it very well, with all his points having good reason behind them. but most of them don't bother me, and that's just personal opinion, I still love the film to bits :)
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Wasn't it just a bit strange or awesome or even funny when Neytiri was holding Jake at the end in her arms? I mean, she was so much bigger than his human body, and the contrast between the Na'vi and human races were very strong to me in that scene.
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I was half-expecting/hoping for a scene that would display the shock/surprise/awe Neytiri must have felt seeing the real Jake. I dunno, I feel like she was *too* familiar with him already or something.
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I was half-expecting/hoping for a scene that would display the shock/surprise/awe Neytiri must have felt seeing the real Jake. I dunno, I feel like she was *too* familiar with him already or something.
I think the point was that she didn't care about his exterior. She knew him on the inside and at the time that is all she cared about. Much like Jake didn't care she was a 9 foot tall, blue, cat/human thing.
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So I just saw it, and was very pleasantly surprised. The story was rather predictable and such, but it was a great looking movie, and the CG really didn't harm it as I feared it would. Not my favorite of the year, but very good.
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What Russel seems to forget is that the movie's already over two and a half hours long. If you added the other stuff back into the movie, it would run at least three hours.
Yeah, that's the problem. Even if you could squeeze it all into 3 hours, you'd have to take out a lot of the beats that really flesh out the world. I feel the movie is pretty perfectly paced up until the Home Tree is destroyed, so to add stuff back in, you really mess up that aspect. To hit on both points you need a very long movie, or to split it into two movies.
Adding a bit more complexity to the story is definitely needed. I think that's what the crux of what was wrong with the story, that you were trying to get at. It's all too simple. Story is too simple, dialogue: too simple, message: too simple.
I think the one thing Mike Russel brings up that's absolutely needed is the prologue on Earth that establishes just how bad things are. Without it, the bad humans are just a bunch of moustache-twirling caricatures. Plus, you could do an amazing Wizard of Oz-style jump where instead of black and white to colour, you go from dour 2D Earth to amazing 3D Pandora.
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The movie is certainly very immersive. I know a lot of people complain about it being nothing more than a 150-minute tech demo, but it really isn't; it actually does a great job at making Pandora believable.
This exactly. I actually felt a little sad leaving the theater, because the movie had made me so immersed in the world of Pandora.
Overall, Avatar was a true surprise for me. I went in expecting to see another 2012, but I actually got a good movie instead.
And yes, I saw it in 3D.
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Plus, you could do an amazing Wizard of Oz-style jump where instead of black and white to colour, you go from dour 2D Earth to amazing 3D Pandora.
OOooo. That's good. Contrast always helps when trying to define things.
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Plus, you could do an amazing Wizard of Oz-style jump where instead of black and white to colour, you go from dour 2D Earth to amazing 3D Pandora.
OOooo. That's good. Contrast always helps when trying to define things.
+1
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Plus, you could do an amazing Wizard of Oz-style jump where instead of black and white to colour, you go from dour 2D Earth to amazing 3D Pandora.
This....would be incredible.
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I'm really excited about what Cameron will do with the second one - after all, he'll need to expand the storyline, and that might well include your earth scene :)
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In addition to my issues with the film, I think I can explain why I'm so outraged about it rather than just writing it off as a bad film and moving on.
First, people seem to be confusing "Those were amazing effects" with "That was an amazing film". The second is that it seems anytime I or someone else speaks out against this film, someone will come back basically trying to convince us that that's an invalid opinion, and that we just didn't give it a chance (which I did). I'm not accusing people here of doing that; this forum actually has one of the more civil discussions of the film I've seen. It has happened to me a lot though, more often than not after I was asked for my opinion.
My first point can be backed up by the fact that Avatar is actually in contention for a Best Picture nomination at the Academy Awards. I'm sorry, but even if someone absolutely loved the film, they have to admit that such a nomination would be bullshit.
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My first point can be backed up by the fact that Avatar is actually in contention for a Best Picture nomination
I kinda figured it would, but I agree it really doesn't deserve that.
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Honestly, if a non-famous director had made the exact same film with the exact same effects and everything, someone would be considered crazy for suggesting it get a best picture nod.
I hate how the world works sometimes.
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Except a non-famous director never would have been able to make this movie in the first place.
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In addition to my issues with the film, I think I can explain why I'm so outraged about it rather than just writing it off as a bad film and moving on.
First, people seem to be confusing "Those were amazing effects" with "That was an amazing film". The second is that it seems anytime I or someone else speaks out against this film, someone will come back basically trying to convince us that that's an invalid opinion, and that we just didn't give it a chance (which I did). I'm not accusing people here of doing that; this forum actually has one of the more civil discussions of the film I've seen. It has happened to me a lot though, more often than not after I was asked for my opinion.
You know, I can't really call you out here, because I do the same thing with other movies, but to be fair to Avatar, the effects are part why it's a great film. If the effects are even marginally less amazing, you don't buy Pandora and the Na'vi, and the emotional arc of the film falls apart. If the Sci-Fi military porn is any less well done, you don't buy that these are really human armies 200 years into the future. And on and on and on and on.
In many cases, the CGI in the Star Wars prequels could have been removed completely or replaced with practical effects and the movie either wouldn't have suffered or would have actually been better. I don't think Cameron is perfect, but I'd say virtually every special effect you see on the screen actually is necessary in some capacity to telling the story. So good effects don't make a good film, but they are a bit part of telling the story, especially here.
My first point can be backed up by the fact that Avatar is actually in contention for a Best Picture nomination at the Academy Awards. I'm sorry, but even if someone absolutely loved the film, they have to admit that such a nomination would be bullshit.
Well, the Academy did expand the amount of best picture noms to 10. I'm not saying you can't do it, but here's the challenge to anyone complaining about Avatar potentially being nominated. Name ten better films. I fully expect people to do it, but I want to actually see the effort put into it.
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In addition to my issues with the film, I think I can explain why I'm so outraged about it rather than just writing it off as a bad film and moving on.
First, people seem to be confusing "Those were amazing effects" with "That was an amazing film". The second is that it seems anytime I or someone else speaks out against this film, someone will come back basically trying to convince us that that's an invalid opinion, and that we just didn't give it a chance (which I did). I'm not accusing people here of doing that; this forum actually has one of the more civil discussions of the film I've seen. It has happened to me a lot though, more often than not after I was asked for my opinion.
You know, I can't really call you out here, because I do the same thing with other movies, but to be fair to Avatar, the effects are part why it's a great film. If the effects are even marginally less amazing, you don't buy Pandora and the Na'vi, and the emotional arc of the film falls apart. If the Sci-Fi military porn is any less well done, you don't buy that these are really human armies 200 years into the future. And on and on and on and on.
In many cases, the CGI in the Star Wars prequels could have been removed completely or replaced with practical effects and the movie either wouldn't have suffered or would have actually been better. I don't think Cameron is perfect, but I'd say virtually every special effect you see on the screen actually is necessary in some capacity to telling the story. So good effects don't make a good film, but they are a bit part of telling the story, especially here.
My first point can be backed up by the fact that Avatar is actually in contention for a Best Picture nomination at the Academy Awards. I'm sorry, but even if someone absolutely loved the film, they have to admit that such a nomination would be bullshit.
Well, the Academy did expand the amount of best picture noms to 10. I'm not saying you can't do it, but here's the challenge to anyone complaining about Avatar potentially being nominated. Name ten better films. I fully expect people to do it, but I want to actually see the effort put into it.
All very good points, especially that second part. I can tell you for my own part that I can name only a few movies from this year that are on equal footing with Avatar, and plenty more that were horrendously bad, but I can't say I saw anything this year that I enjoyed more.
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I haven't seen many movies this year, but Star Trek would rank up there with Avatar.
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I agree but I wouldn't say Star Trek surpassed it by any means.
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Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen, Star Trek, District 9 - all great, but they don't beat Avatar for Best Picture for me.
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I actually didn't like Watchmen at all. I don't understand the hype around it at all.
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I actually didn't like Watchmen at all. I don't understand the hype around it at all.
This is why you fail.
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I actually didn't like Watchmen at all. I don't understand the hype around it at all.
I agree. I think they tried to fit way too much into way too small an amount of time.
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I actually didn't like Watchmen at all. I don't understand the hype around it at all.
I agree. I think they tried to fit way too much into way too small an amount of time.
It's already long enough, and they managed to fit most of it in. Have you read the graphic novel?
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I hadn't read it, and I really found it was far too much of a downer to actually enjoy.
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In addition to my issues with the film, I think I can explain why I'm so outraged about it rather than just writing it off as a bad film and moving on.
First, people seem to be confusing "Those were amazing effects" with "That was an amazing film".
I think for most people, "I really enjoyed watching that movie" equates to "that was a great movie." Which is fair, they're just not that into film. And for all the endless flaws I could list about the film, I did have a fantastic time watching it. Some of the most fun I had at the movies this year. And I'll keep recommending the movie to everyone I talk to, even though I know it's not truly great.
As for Academy Best Picture contention, that's silly. I could see it getting a nod because they've expanded the category to 10 nominees. If Avatar continues to make a lot of money, it'll be exactly the kind of crowd favourite they expanded the category to include. (With no intention of actually rewarding it.)
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Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen, Star Trek, District 9 - all great, but they don't beat Avatar for Best Picture for me.
lol I would say all of those except Star Trek beat out Avatar in my book, especially Watchmen. But at the same time, Moon, Hurt Locker, and 500 Days of Summer all beat it out as well, so I can't say it's really ranked super high.
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Wow, only one on your guys' lists I have seen is Star Trek, and probably the only other notable one would be Up!.
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I havent seen Basterds, but Avatar was a small notch ahead of District 9 (which I loved). I hadn't read the graphic novel for Watchmen, so a lot of the stuff in it had me lost, making not nearly as enjoyable as Avatar.
Oh and just a couple of thoughts on the movie itself 5 days after viewing it:
Here's the thing (in my eyes) about the story: yeah, it wasn't original, and yeah, it was very predictable, but it still kept me engaged and interested in the movie. It wasn't groundbreaking, and had its flaws, but it did its job. It caused me to actually give a shit about the Na'vi at the end, and was still very immersive (The fact that I am even still thinking about the movie 5 days after seeing it is evidence, because if a movie sucks it's quickly, sometimes instantly, forgotten).
And as for the CGI stuff: I can't remember a single character's name from 2012, and it took me a while to remember what the movie was even about. My immediate memories of 2012 are essentially just the CGI end-of-the-world foolishness scenes. But, that is not the case with Avatar. It's a more advanced movie then 2012 technically, but the CGI isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think Avatar. Instead, it's characters, major events in the story, relationships, etc, as opposed to awesome eye candy shots. I think this is testament to how Cameron produced amazing special effects, but didn't allow them to take over the film. Sure, his story was far, far from the best, but I still enjoyed it, and to me it wasn't overtaken by the CGI, but used it as a catalyst.
Additionally, I'm no film expert, so don't take what I say too seriously, as its all subjective. And also, I am usually very critical of movies, and rarely really enjoy myself at the movies. But I really enjoyed myself at Avatar, which I probably why I thought it was great. That and the fact that I'm a sucker for (good) epic, SciFi, and High Fantasy movies. (LotR gets me every time when they are on back to back to back, and I always waste the whole day watching them)
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Honestly, if a non-famous director had made the exact same film with the exact same effects and everything, someone would be considered crazy for suggesting it get a best picture nod.
I respectfully disagree with that statement.
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https://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/1333-Avatar
Great video review that puts forward good reasons for why it's great.
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I have absolutely no desire to see this movie. It looks like a three hour CGI wankfest.
I've actually heard reviewers basically say "When you get past the poor writing and plot, it's great!".
Call me old fashioned, but I actually like a good narrative and well written dialog in my films.
Screw that, IT WAS EPIC. The visuals weren't just CGI wankfest, the animals, the world, and culture of the Naa'vi was outstandingly thorough and original. The plot was predictable, but in the good way that is delivered so well that it feels brilliantly well done. The CGI is merely a means to do the film, which is why it took Cameron a decade to get the technology to make the film he had always wanted to do, unlike say 2012 which was a 2 year development to cash in on conspiracy theories and cgi.
Bottom line: great writing, well constructed plot, outstanding visuals, insane cgi.
tl;dr: don't talk crap, it was amazing.
(oh and FYI, it has 94% cream of the crop on rotten tomatoes, and every film has some detractors, so whoever said what you quoted is just one of those silly idiots).
Saw it yesterday, and I agree with all of this.
Plot is predictable (come on, it's James Cameron, wtf did anyone expect) but still really solid, dialogue was mostly great just a few weak moments, but the characters and the visuals and the direction were stunning.
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I saw it yesterday. I usually don't like typical American movies with weapons and explosions and cheesy "I love you"-scenes.
Maybe it was because of the visual effects.
Maybe it was because I love fantasy.
Maybe it was because there weren't many cheesy scenes and not too many explosions.
Because I fucking loved it and all I can think of is that I want to see it again.
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I agree that the CGI was only a part of why its great. The action, the escapism and fantasy and camera work etc were all great. You felt how Jake felt when he was the Avatar. Ok, you knew he was gonna become him at the end and everything would be ok. But that was part of what made it great IMO. If the story was horribly confusing and in depth, it would have subtracted greatly form the FUN. Watching it made me feel like when movies were proper movies, that didnt rely on explosions and CGI to tell the story. James Cameron could have rush released this in 1999 to cash in on Titanic's success, but instead he waited ten years until he could make the movie he wanted to. Nothing felt over the top in this film to me. It was thoroughly enjoyable and I can't wait to see it again. :)
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to sum up the review I posted in the movie thread, Avatar was about half an hour too long to be carried by effects alone
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I am seeing it for the 4th time Thursday morning. Imax 3D of course. :metal :metal :metal
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I'm going to see this for the first time in Imax 3d tonight at 10 :D
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I am seeing it for the 4th time Thursday morning. Imax 3D of course. :metal :metal :metal
oh come on now, just stay home and watch Fern Gully, close enough :P
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I am seeing it for the 4th time Thursday morning. Imax 3D of course. :metal :metal :metal
oh come on now, just stay home and watch Fern Gully, close enough :P
Fern Gully is straight, but it is no Avatar.
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I am seeing it for the 4th time Thursday morning. Imax 3D of course. :metal :metal :metal
oh come on now, just stay home and watch Fern Gully, close enough :P
:lol Awesome, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw some obvious parallels to Fern Gully!
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Got back from seeing it today in 3D, and while the movie itself was breathtaking and amazing, I felt that the 3D was just an annoying gimmicky distraction, and I enjoyed the movie in spite of the 3D rather than because of it. It frankly gave me a headache during the first half of the movie while I acclimated to it, and it made my wife ill, keeping her from enjoying it at all.
In short, if you haven't seen the movie yet, definitely see it because it's awesome, but avoid the 3D.
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Got back from seeing it today in 3D, and while the movie itself was breathtaking and amazing, I felt that the 3D was just an annoying gimmicky distraction, and I enjoyed the movie in spite of the 3D rather than because of it. It frankly gave me a headache during the first half of the movie while I acclimated to it, and it made my wife ill, keeping her from enjoying it at all.
In short, if you haven't seen the movie yet, definitely see it because it's awesome, but avoid the 3D.
Im out the door to see the 3d now, will leave my opinion when i get back or in the morning.
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You're seeing it in Imax though, so there's probably a difference there. I saw it in a normal theater that probably wasn't equipped for the technology.
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I am seeing it for the 4th time Thursday morning. Imax 3D of course. :metal :metal :metal
oh come on now, just stay home and watch Fern Gully, close enough :P
:lol Awesome, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw some obvious parallels to Fern Gully!
dude, all I needed was someone voiced by Robin Williams and I would have been set :D
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Saw it in IMAX 3D yesterday. It was a pretty decent film, but really almost the entire experience rests on the visuals. Amazing as they are, I don't know how well the film stands on its own without them. As good as most of the CG was, I never bought the Na'vi, maybe because their design is a little goofy. I also felt the complete CG scenes kinda battled with the live-action ones. Maybe it was the 3D, or how big the screen was, but I had to readjust my focus every time they switched between them.
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I had the exact same sensation. The CG scenes were much easier to watch in 3D than the live-action scenes. Both gave me a headache though.
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In addition to my issues with the film, I think I can explain why I'm so outraged about it rather than just writing it off as a bad film and moving on.
First, people seem to be confusing "Those were amazing effects" with "That was an amazing film".
I think for most people, "I really enjoyed watching that movie" equates to "that was a great movie." Which is fair, they're just not that into film. And for all the endless flaws I could list about the film, I did have a fantastic time watching it. Some of the most fun I had at the movies this year. And I'll keep recommending the movie to everyone I talk to, even though I know it's not truly great.
As for Academy Best Picture contention, that's silly. I could see it getting a nod because they've expanded the category to 10 nominees. If Avatar continues to make a lot of money, it'll be exactly the kind of crowd favourite they expanded the category to include. (With no intention of actually rewarding it.)
Surely isn't that the entire point of this movie though? A fun action movie with incredible visuals. I love a well thought out film with an amazing plot and script as much as the next guy but I'd struggle to think of many movies I ENJOYED as much as Avatar upon first viewing, for the first 20 to 30 mins the 3d irked me a little (as it has done in every 3d movie ive seen) but importantly with this movie after that I completely forget the movie was even in 3D till the credits rolled I got so immersed. To me thats what cinemas all about, losing myself in a movie for 2 hours or so and not coming back to reality until the credits roll. If a movie ticks that box for me it's a truely great movie regardless of any faults it may have. However I don't think Avatar will hold up to repeated viewings when its eventually released on DVD and Blue Ray, it's the kind of movie I'd wanna see in a theatre over and over though!
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I had the exact same sensation. The CG scenes were much easier to watch in 3D than the live-action scenes. Both gave me a headache though.
I saw it in 3D at a regular theater; no problems for me
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Saw it today in 3D. The story, honestly, nothing special. There were times where I was saying "James Cameron, you are boring me. I'm gonna fall asleep..." but as soon as the battle scenes started, that's when it got interesting. To me, there were many unnecessary characters; just fillers... (the friendly humans -except Sigourney- the "find me a diplomatic solution" guy and that nav'ii cousin of that navi whatever whatever.)
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Saw it today in 3D. The story, honestly, nothing special. There were times where I was saying "James Cameron, you are boring me. I'm gonna fall asleep..." but as soon as the battle scenes started, that's when it got interesting. To me, there were many unnecessary characters; just fillers... (the friendly humans -except Sigourney- the "find me a diplomatic solution" guy and that nav'ii cousin of that navi whatever whatever.)
Parker is in charge of the company and the brains behind the operation? How do you describe him as filler?
I really don't understand your comment at all. Why do you need less characters? The movie was still very straight forward and there was certainly not an abundance of characters.
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I agree with you about the 3D SeaWolf, and the reason is because it's a live action film (well, ok with masses of CGI, but you get the idea). I've never had a problem watching animated films in 3D because with those everything is in focus, both in the foreground and background, so you can choose what to focus on. In live action films, for artistic direction there's usually something in focus while others are out of focus (perfect example is the bit with the floating droplet at the start of the film). To me this defeats the point of having 3D because you have to look at / focus on what they want you to, otherwise to try and focus on something that is out of focus, and it gives you a headache.
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This might be the first time I was actually rooting against humans in a film. I liked the name of the mineral as well: unobtainium :lol.
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This might be the first time I was actually rooting against humans in a film. I liked the name of the mineral as well: unobtainium :lol.
Wasn't unobtainium the name of the stuff the ship was made of in the movie The Core?
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This might be the first time I was actually rooting against humans in a film. I liked the name of the mineral as well: unobtainium :lol.
Wasn't unobtainium the name of the stuff the ship was made of in the movie The Core?
yup. I fucking cringed when I read that's what it was called in Avatar
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I had the feeling that it was a very tongue-in-cheek nickname for the mineral, given the way Ribisi's character referred to it.
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Despite the movies many glaring flaws, I had way more fun watching this movie than I expected. :blush
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Despite the movies many glaring flaws, I had way more fun watching this movie than I expected. :blush
That's my take on it too. I had FUN watching this film. Yes, it was no where near the best story, and there were many problems with it, but I enjoyed watching the movie, and left the theater very happy. Even Cameron said the one thing people are going to rag on is the simplistic story, and said that his sequels will be much more complex.
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Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to the sequels more than repeat viewings of this. Not that I won't mind seeing this again before it leaves theaters....
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it was pretty good, i would say that District 9 was better but it was good nonetheless
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Despite the movies many glaring flaws, I had way more fun watching this movie than I expected. :blush
This exactly. Despite it's flaws I had a blast seeing this movie. I haven't wanted to see a movie again so badly since Lord of the Rings.
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it was pretty good, i would say that District 9 was better but it was good nonetheless
what?
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Despite it's flaws I had a blast seeing this movie. I haven't wanted to see a movie again so badly since Lord of the Rings.
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I agree with you about the 3D SeaWolf, and the reason is because it's a live action film (well, ok with masses of CGI, but you get the idea). I've never had a problem watching animated films in 3D because with those everything is in focus, both in the foreground and background, so you can choose what to focus on. In live action films, for artistic direction there's usually something in focus while others are out of focus (perfect example is the bit with the floating droplet at the start of the film). To me this defeats the point of having 3D because you have to look at / focus on what they want you to, otherwise to try and focus on something that is out of focus, and it gives you a headache.
Yeah I find it pretty distracting and unnecessary too. Depth of field already exists in 2D, what's the point of 3D?
it was pretty good, i would say that District 9 was better but it was good nonetheless
what?
Are you actually confused, or do you just disagree? I'd also say District 9 was much better.
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This might be the first time I was actually rooting against humans in a film. I liked the name of the mineral as well: unobtainium :lol.
Wasn't unobtainium the name of the stuff the ship was made of in the movie The Core?
yup. I fucking cringed when I read that's what it was called in Avatar
Actually, I watched The Core tonight, and it seems that it's where Cameron got the name from, it's the material that their ship is made out of in that movie. Mega-nugget.
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Despite it's flaws I had a blast seeing this movie. I haven't wanted to see a movie again so badly since Lord of the Rings.
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Despite it's flaws I had a blast seeing this movie. I haven't wanted to see a movie again so badly since Lord of the Rings.
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Despite it's flaws I had a blast seeing this movie. I haven't wanted to see a movie again so badly since Lord of the Rings.
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I'm seeing it again in 3 hours!
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Scurv, I think Chino's confusion was over the comparison to District 9. Overall it was a better film, but it has almost nothing in common with Avatar, so I'm not sure where the comparison came from.
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Scurv, I think Chino's confusion was over the comparison to District 9. Overall it was a better film, but it has almost nothing in common with Avatar, so I'm not sure where the comparison came from.
2 of the biggest 3 sci-fi movies of the year. Humans subjugating aliens. Main character becoming one of the aliens.
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On top of that, I think the idea was just about the best films of the year. So the only necessary similarity is that they are both films.
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Viewing number 4 was still awesome. Now that I know everything that happens, I can just sit back and take Pandora in. Two things I noticed for the first time today. The chick from Fast and the Furious, she painted her face and chopper with war paint before she got killed. Jake's avatar had 5 fingers, where as all the Na'vi had only 4 fingers.
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I noticed both those things on viewing # 1. :)
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it was pretty good, i would say that District 9 was better but it was good nonetheless
what?
Are you actually confused, or do you just disagree? I'd also say District 9 was much better.
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I also saw a 3d midnight showing, I REALLY loved it. It was absolutely amazing, and I've seen it twice since.
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I swear everyone has seen it multiple times apart from me :sadpanda:
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I swear everyone has seen it multiple times apart from me :sadpanda:
don't worry, you're not alone. I saw it once and even though I enjoyed it I have no desire to see it again
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I swear everyone has seen it multiple times apart from me :sadpanda:
don't worry, you're not alone. I saw it once and even though I enjoyed it I have no desire to see it again
Yes but I really really want to :tdwn
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
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Viewing number 4 was still awesome. Now that I know everything that happens, I can just sit back and take Pandora in. Two things I noticed for the first time today. The chick from Fast and the Furious, she painted her face and chopper with war paint before she got killed. Jake's avatar had 5 fingers, where as all the Na'vi had only 4 fingers.
I did notice there were some small differences between the avatars and the actual Na'Vi. Also, Sigourney Weaver's avatar had a much more human shape to her face and body than the other avatars did.
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
I have an unlimited cinema card :loser:
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
Because I really enjoy the movie.
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
Because I will probably never be rich enough to have my own movie theater and it looked amazing on the big screen, and I'd like to be able to see it once more like that before that opportunity is gone forever.
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The chick from Fast and the Furious, she painted her face and chopper with war paint before she got killed.
MUCH better known as Anna Lucia from LOST! And she kicked ass in this movie. Too bad she didn't hurt the General more than she did....
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
Because I will probably never be rich enough to have my own movie theater and it looked amazing on the big screen, and I'd like to be able to see it once more like that before that opportunity is gone forever.
that too
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The chick from Fast and the Furious, she painted her face and chopper with war paint before she got killed.
MUCH better known as Anna Lucia from LOST! And she kicked ass in this movie. Too bad she didn't hurt the General more than she did....
I thought she was utterly useless in the movie :-\
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She did have some big guns. )P
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I can't say I understand why someone would pay out the ass to see a movie in theaters more than once. Just buy it when it comes out on DVD!
Because I will probably never be rich enough to have my own movie theater and it looked amazing on the big screen, and I'd like to be able to see it once more like that before that opportunity is gone forever.
that too
Yeah, some movies are 100x more entertaining on a big screen than just in your home. For example, Cloverfield was a perfect roller-coaster ride in the theater and was well-worth watching again that environment. But at home on a regular TV, it loses much of its appeal
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Just ordered Imax 3D tickets for Wednesday Morning. Round #5.
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OK Chino, someone needs to stage an intervention :lol
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Hello everyone. My name is Chino, and I am an Avatar addict. I find myself seeing avatar two times a week. I find that I am usually bored with life, and going to see the movie Avatar in Imax 3D helps me escape from that. While I am in the theater, everything in life is suddenly good. Once I leave the theater, life goes back to the way it was, and I get even more depressed that I will never be able to live in Pandora. I find myself having to go back for more. It's a viscous cycle.
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Saw it today in 3D. The story, honestly, nothing special. There were times where I was saying "James Cameron, you are boring me. I'm gonna fall asleep..." but as soon as the battle scenes started, that's when it got interesting. To me, there were many unnecessary characters; just fillers... (the friendly humans -except Sigourney- the "find me a diplomatic solution" guy and that nav'ii cousin of that navi whatever whatever.)
Parker is in charge of the company and the brains behind the operation? How do you describe him as filler?
I really don't understand your comment at all. Why do you need less characters? The movie was still very straight forward and there was certainly not an abundance of characters.
Either you expand or elaborate the characters or you get them out of the picture. Parker said, what, six lines in the movie? He was the boss (like a boss!) of the whole thing but he sure as hell didn't look like it.
I don't need less characters. I just need characters that are worth being in the movie. Not even Michelle Rodriguez convinces you why she's on the good side. "I didn't sign for this"... Err, OK? How the hell was I suppose to know that? Did your character had anything that made me imply that in a convincing way?
Jake Sully's friend. He seems mad that Jake is naturally good at doing what he does... but he then just accepts it. I mean, that's it? Are you sure you are worth being a character in this movie?
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I'm guessing you hate 99% of films emin?
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Wow, I disagree with all those points.
- I thought it was plainly obvious that Parker was in charge of the whole operation
- Michelle Rodriguez was the pilot for the science geeks and naturally felt compassion for their plight. She understood the importance of the tree they were blowing up and that the Navi were not just savages.
- Norm had studied his ass off and Jake had just turned up with no idea what he was doing and he was accepted into the Navi tribe. I think Norm's initial reaction of jealousy was appropriate. He eventually came around but it wasn't instantaneous like you are implying.
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It's a viscous cycle.
I found it quite a slick cycle myself.
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It's a viscous cycle.
I found it quite a slick cycle myself.
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Anyone else laugh at Giovanni Ribisi's bad Ari Gold impression? They should've just cast Piven if that's the angle they were going for.
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This movie was a major disappointment for me. I won't expound, but I will just leave a sentence.
The plot was too predictable and unoriginal.
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Just saw this movie in 2D last night. I have only two complaints against this movie; #1 is the generic plot, but it was told in such a way that it didn't detract from the movie too much, and #2 is that the last ~30 minutes kind of felt like they were rushed. Overall, great movie, and the CGI was definitely awesome in this film. 9/10
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Just saw this movie in 2D last night.
Why?
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Because the movie theater I went to doesn't do 3D...
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Because the movie theater I went to doesn't do 3D...
I feel for you :sadpanda:
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https://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013236.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
$1 billion worldwide.
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Holy shit! :omg:
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https://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013236.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
$1 billion worldwide.
I wouldnt be suprised if Chino got a thank you card from James Cameron himself
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Wow, I disagree with all those points.
- I thought it was plainly obvious that Parker was in charge of the whole operation
- Michelle Rodriguez was the pilot for the science geeks and naturally felt compassion for their plight. She understood the importance of the tree they were blowing up and that the Navi were not just savages.
- Norm had studied his ass off and Jake had just turned up with no idea what he was doing and he was accepted into the Navi tribe. I think Norm's initial reaction of jealousy was appropriate. He eventually came around but it wasn't instantaneous like you are implying.
Hey, if you got sold by the way this movie was told, I'm glad for James Cameron.
I did enjoy the battle scenes. Really, really cool. As my first 3D experience, a nice enjoyable treat. But with this amount of dedication, I honestly expected something better.
I'm guessing you hate 99% of films emin?
Nah, I hate movies with high expectations going this low. And even if I really didn't like it that much, I was thinking when the movie was ending: "objectively, this is a 4/5 movie". My problem was that I was expecting it to be a 5/5 or 6/5 movie. *Shrugs*
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Well, the height of the expectations are kind of chosen by you. I didn't go into this expecting or knowing too much and I loved it. I try to go in that way with most movies because people always kill them with hype.
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While I am in the theater, everything in life is suddenly good. Once I leave the theater, life goes back to the way it was, and I get even more depressed that I will never be able to live in Pandora.
Wow. Dunno if you're joking, but that's literally the way I felt when I saw it. I think that was what was so cool about the movie for me; I really wanted it to be real. And it makes me sad that it never will be. They managed to create a really cool world. Plot and acting aside, no other movie has ever really made me feel like that before, so personally I praise them for that.
I'm not crazy, btw.
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:lol Wow... :|
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While I am in the theater, everything in life is suddenly good. Once I leave the theater, life goes back to the way it was, and I get even more depressed that I will never be able to live in Pandora.
Wow. Dunno if you're joking, but that's literally the way I felt when I saw it. I think that was what was so cool about the movie for me; I really wanted it to be real. And it makes me sad that it never will be. They managed to create a really cool world. Plot and acting aside, no other movie has ever really made me feel like that before, so personally I praise them for that.
I'm not crazy, btw.
That is exactly how I felt. I thought walking out of the theater "wow, Earth is gay." This movie struck me somewhere. I don't really know how to describe it. I got a sense of something I never got from watching a movie before. I know that sounds weird.
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While I am in the theater, everything in life is suddenly good. Once I leave the theater, life goes back to the way it was, and I get even more depressed that I will never be able to live in Pandora.
Wow. Dunno if you're joking, but that's literally the way I felt when I saw it. I think that was what was so cool about the movie for me; I really wanted it to be real. And it makes me sad that it never will be. They managed to create a really cool world. Plot and acting aside, no other movie has ever really made me feel like that before, so personally I praise them for that.
I'm not crazy, btw.
That is exactly how I felt. I thought walking out of the theater "wow, Earth is gay." This movie struck me somewhere. I don't really know how to describe it. I got a sense of something I never got from watching a movie before. I know that sounds weird.
I agree except for the "gay" part. Although I guess I had more of a feeling like "Wow, I wish most humans felt the same love and connection for our planet, then maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we are today." It made me kind of sad.
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I can't wait to see what the "uncut/director's cut" of this movie is going to be like. :corn
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I can't wait to see what the "uncut/director's cut" of this movie in 3D is going to be like. :corn
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Nah, I hate movies with high expectations going this low. And even if I really didn't like it that much, I was thinking when the movie was ending: "objectively, this is a 4/5 movie". My problem was that I was expecting it to be a 5/5 or 6/5 movie. *Shrugs*
Wait, a 4/5 movie is bad? I consider it a 4-star movie as well, which is extremely good as far as I'm concerned. It was obviously going to be predictable and I wasn't expecting anything spectacular from the script, by now I know what to expect from James Cameron. And it delivered.
If you expected something different, that's your own fault really, though 4/5 is still very good surely?
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Well, objectively it is good. Mixed feelings, if you may. I dunno. Right now "I'm too much in the sun".
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I can't wait to see this movie tomorrow. I haven't watched it in 6 days.
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I can't wait to see this movie tomorrow. I haven't watched it in 6 days.
._. I haven't seen it in weeks :sadpanda:
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I can't wait to see this movie tomorrow. I haven't watched it in 6 days.
:lol
How much money have you given to them??
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I can't wait to see this movie tomorrow. I haven't watched it in 6 days.
:lol
How much money have you given to them??
After tomorrow, $72.75 on myself, $39.75 on the 3 girls I have brought.
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Was it worth it though?
3 girls
Of course it was :D
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Lol :lol
I may be going again to see it this friday :metal
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Wow :lol
Is that just for tickets? What about popcorn??
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Wow :lol
Is that just for tickets? What about popcorn??
I don't buy food at movie theaters. I refuse to give into their crazy prices.
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I'm leaving to go see this movie in about 5 minutes. I'll let you know what I think of it when I return.
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I'm waiting in suspense :lol :lol
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You just know he's gonna come back and have the same opinion as TL :lol
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I would do anything to live among the Ometacya.
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I actually like it here more. I get bored as hell in the woods.
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I saw this movie a week or so ago. In 2D, on a laptop screen (hey, someone I was visiting had already downloaded it, and it was snowing outside, don't look at me like that), i.e. without the cinema experience plus points. And I still thought it was pretty stunning.
When the CGI first came in, i.e. he first adopts his avatar body, I thought it was kinda awkward, but once they actually go into the forest, it got amazing.
I have to admit, I loved the Apocalypse Now reference. Anyone who has seen Apoc Now and missed it must have been watching this asleep.
The people bitching about unoriginal story are just silly. Yes, it's cowboys vs Indians, but it's been chucked into the future. As in, the historical context which normally limits the possible endings of these films disappears. The Indians can actually come out victorious. Once I realised this, I was so excited for how the end might play out. All Cameron had to do was make it feasible that the Indians actually could win this time, and I think he did so.
My biggest bitch has to do with the end of the fighting. The main character running up and launching himself at the Colonel's spaceship to take him out with a grenade, I loved that. But once it got down to the big one-on-one showdown between him and the Colonel in a robot with his girlfriend pinned underneath a horse, it just felt a little too wank wank "now it's personal" big-action Hollywood ending for the sake of it. It could have ended with the ship going down and him being swamped by Indians and it would have been a satisfying enough finale for me.
Other than that, pretty much brilliant movie. I might go see it again at a cinema in the next few weeks, though I'll have to travel some way to find it in English.
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I might go see it again at a cinema in the next few weeks, though I'll have to travel some way to find it in English.
You need the 3D experience. I'd be willing to see it in another language.
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The people bitching about unoriginal story are just silly.
Why? I'm not giving a movie a pass in the story department because it's essentially plotlines from a few well know movies/stories pasted together. Cameron got lazy and unoriginal and I feel bad if you can actually enjoy something that is predictable as hell.
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The people bitching about unoriginal story are just silly.
I feel bad if you can actually enjoy something that is predictable as hell.
Back To The Future
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
Gladiator
The Patriot
Major League
Independence Day
The Pursuit of Happyness
My Cousin Vinny
Armageddon
National Treasure
Cast Away
Behind Enemy Lines
Rain Man
The Green Mile
In my opinion, far more predictable than Avatar. It doesn't mean I can't enjoy them to the fullest. I feel sorry that you didn't enjoy Avatar because you were too worried about it being unoriginal.
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Yeah, unpredictable =/= good and predictable =/= bad.
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the story is familiar because it mirrors human history so well. events like this have happened time and again throughout civilized history and colonizing. if you hate this movie's plot based on it being a "known" story, then most movies should be hated for the same reason.
that said, i loved this movie. i was completely lost in the world and loved visiting it. at first the cg looked a little rough, but as things went on, and quickly too, it got so good you forget its computer(almost). i loved the world Cameron created, and will surely see it in theaters before its gone.
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I feel sorry that you didn't enjoy Avatar because you were too worried about it being unoriginal.
It's just hard to feel any emotion when you see everything coming. Plus most of those movies you named at least made an attempt at something original. Any cliches encountered in those were typical movie cliches. On the other hand Avatar was literally Pocahontas, Fern Gully and Dances With Wolves all mashed together.
And don't get me wrong I thought the CG was phenomenal and I really enjoyed it for that aspect but I can't excuse the shitty overdone plotlines.
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I feel sorry that you didn't enjoy Avatar because you were too worried about it being unoriginal.
It's just hard to feel any emotion when you see everything coming. Plus most of those movies you named at least made an attempt at something original. Any cliches encountered in those were typical movie cliches. On the other hand Avatar was literally Pocahontas, Fern Gully and Dances With Wolves all mashed together.
And don't get me wrong I thought the CG was phenomenal and I really enjoyed it for that aspect but I can't excuse the shitty overdone plotlines.
I can understand your point. However, while watching Avatar, I was able to guess what was going to happen. At the same time though, I predicted multiple ways the story could go, and waiting to see which direction it would take made it all that more exciting.
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I'm seeing this on a date next Tuesday. Hey, she wanted to see it.
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I feel sorry that you didn't enjoy Avatar because you were too worried about it being unoriginal.
It's just hard to feel any emotion when you see everything coming. Plus most of those movies you named at least made an attempt at something original. Any cliches encountered in those were typical movie cliches. On the other hand Avatar was literally Pocahontas, Fern Gully and Dances With Wolves all mashed together.
And don't get me wrong I thought the CG was phenomenal and I really enjoyed it for that aspect but I can't excuse the shitty overdone plotlines.
While I would normally agree with you, I found the predictable but well pulled off plot helped take me into the living, breathing world of Avatar, which is why I can't fault the movie as it's only real weakness didn't bother me at all.
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Just watched it again.
Man, I really wanna spend some more time in Pandora at night
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::insert cheesy innuendo here::
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Man, I really wanna spend some more time in Pandora at night
... while on LSD
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My avatar is now the best them.
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I see you.
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All my friends have seen it twice now, bar me and my friend who saw it the first time, and who both have unlimited cinema cards.
I HATE EXAMS
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I see you.
oe kame aynga
I need a girl friend that wouldn't mind me saying that instead of "I love you"
oe nume aylaru plltxe na Na'vi
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Chino, I'm starting to worry about you :lol
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So. I did model trains for years. I build RC trucks. I make scaled down mid evil siege weapons. My next project, possibly my biggest undertaking ever.... I am recreating Pandora in my basement.Its going to like up and everything. Starting with everything on this page.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=avatar+action+figures&tag=googhydr-20&index=toys-and-games&hvadid=3171965159&ref=pd_sl_27jkq687sw_e
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Guys, get me a good reference of something from avatar for me to draw!
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Guys, get me a good reference of something from avatar for me to draw!
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2010/1/7/1262877832148/Avatar-001.jpg)
(https://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/avatar_main.jpg)
(https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46927000/jpg/_46927932_avatar.jpg)
(https://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2723/avatarwallpaperj.jpg)
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As for Avatar, here is my real opinion:
Well I saw Avatar in 3D on Saturday morning. To sum things up I will not mention the CGI as it was excellent. There were a few moments where it was a little weird - like the first time Jake ran outside when he joined the Avatar for the first time. It just look a little odd. The battle scenes were stupendous if not a little baffling . Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need? But alas, you must make a good action movie so I guess it doesn't have to make sense when giant blue alien people are fighting missile laden hovercraft with bow and arrows....and win.
I guess the acting was good, the action was mind blowing but the story is forgettable for me. So 2/3 aint too bad.
I really hope they were not making a sequel. While the Navi seem compelling enough, the human side is not imo. I think if you are going to do a sequal, base it on another planet, time, situation and story. I do not want to see more of the same....unless everyone gets light sabers...cause that would be awesome.
Maybe I sound too harsh as it was an awesome experience when looking past the holes in the plot. Infact the whole digital 3D thing is pretty awesome. Seeing movies in 2D just won't cut it anymore when going going to the cinemas. I mean at home in HD, 2D is still great as the big screen is definately needed for the full effect of 3D.
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I really hope they were not making a sequel. While the Navi seem compelling enough, the human side is not imo. I think if you are going to do a sequal, base it on another planet, time, situation and story. I do not want to see more of the same....unless everyone gets light sabers...cause that would be awesome.
If done correctly, I can see a sequel being pulled off. There is still much more to learn about the Na'vi. Jake is now the Ometacya's king, not to mention the entire tribe needs to find a new place to live.
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If that ever happened to the Ometacya people, even in a movie, I'd have to kill myself.
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Things I want in the inevitable Avatar sequel:
a) An entirely different story and world, based around the avatar concept.
OR
b) Ripley and Hudson fucking the Na'vi's shit up.
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Im pretty sure nuking the place would somehow affect the unobtainium negatively. And they were therer for that reason.
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That's two.
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If that ever happened to the Ometacya people, even in a movie, I'd have to kill myself.
Chino they're not real.
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If that ever happened to the Ometacya people, even in a movie, I'd have to kill myself.
Chino they're not real.
I don't care.
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To say this is a masterpeice of story telling (as some people have told me at work and such) has given me many lol's. Before I saw it people were saying it is ground-breaking in not only tech, but story telling. Well 3D is certainly immersive and fantastic but to call the film ground-breaking plot wise?
Im all for popcorn flicks and I certainly enjoyed this from that aspect. I guess hindsight has it's benefits. I mean one-liners are great in these types of movies, but Sigorny Weaver's "I have to get samples" at the end was so cringe-worthy I had to take my 3D glasses, break the lense and start stabbing my eyes...that's how bad it was.
I mean, the two cannot really be compared as they are entirely different expect for being sci-fi, but District 9 whomped the sci-fi category last year and it blew me away. This on the other hand almost did (for different reasons obviously). What really annoyed me was the hype it got from everyone around me. "Go see it...it's the best movie ever made!"....what a load of bollocks.
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"I have to get samples"
Made me laugh :lol
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But alas, you must make a good action movie so I guess it doesn't have to make sense when giant blue alien people are fighting missile laden hovercraft with bow and arrows....and win.
The ewoks defeated the empire!
I might go see it again at a cinema in the next few weeks, though I'll have to travel some way to find it in English.
You need the 3D experience. I'd be willing to see it in another language.
I gotta tell you, I watched it in 3D AND... My friend called me, I told her to reserve the tickets. I said that it had to be in 3D and the sooner the better. She called the movie theatre and she got two tickets at 3:30 pm. I was glad. Kids started to arrive at the theatre. I was only concerned that the kids will not shut up. To my surprise they were really quite enjoying the movie all along. After everything was in place and I had my goggles on: BAM!!! The narrator starts the movie talking in Spanish!!! My friend cover her mouth and said sorry like 30 times! "I didn't check if it was in English!!!"
At first I was really annoyed. But I wasn't gonna give US$7 and not watch the movie... So I endured the first 30 minutes and after that I got used to it (the glasses too).
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:lol
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I want an Avatar MMO
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In Russia an MMO wants Avatar
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I want an Avatar MMO
You would want an Avatar board games too, wouldnt ya?
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Fuck all of you. Turns out I'm not the only one.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
"James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora."
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Get those people some fucking help.
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Seriously. That's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Someone get them Planet Earth on Bluray to show them the parts of our planet that haven't been inhabited are just like Pandora.
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::)
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Seriously. That's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Someone get them Planet Earth on Bluray to show them the parts of our planet that haven't been inhabited are just like Pandora.
x2. I've heard people say, especially on facebook "man earth sucks compared to pandora". its a god damn shame, their loss I guess. But I had at least hoped that maybe when people saw this movie the would want to get out and experience nature or at least understand why many environments on earth are fragile and need protecting. seems not I guess.
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Fuck all of you. Turns out I'm not the only one.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
"James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora."
I can understand where they're coming from. First few days after I saw this movie, I felt completely melancholic, seeing something that beautiful and unique, and then having to drive around in suburban Wisconsin? Oh look, it's another bankrupt car repair center, Where are the fucking dragons?
The difference is, I realized that this was just a work of art, one man's vision. There's nothing James Cameron has that I don't have when it comes to conceptualizing stories. When I understood that, I did something totally unthinkable to these people: I sat my ass down, put pen to paper and started writing for my own God damn self.
It ain't Avatar, but then again, Avatar ain't my worlds, either.
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I went on a five and a half mile hike today up a mountain in snow. The whole time I was thinking, this is awesome, not as good as Pandora, but still really awesome.
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I went on a five and a half mile hike today up a mountain in snow. The whole time I was thinking, this is awesome, not as good as Pandora, but still really awesome.
Looks like a nice sig to me :)
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I went on a five and a half mile hike today up a mountain in snow. The whole time I was thinking, this is awesome, not as good as Pandora, but still really awesome.
I had the same thing walking in town today, except I was thinking to myself, "This is so not as awesome as Black Mesa".
:biggrin:
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I'm more of a Xen guy myself.
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with both scurvy and orcus here. :lol
I know some people treat movies like an escape from reality, but that is just sad.
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Finally going to see Avatar today, will be back with my official review, then I can finally read the 1000 post before this one.
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I really wish the world was more like Tony Hawk Proskater 4. Imagine, skateboard friendly architecture and random people just standing around all day to give you minor challenges, as far as the eye can see.
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So. I did model trains for years. I build RC trucks. I make scaled down mid evil siege weapons. My next project, possibly my biggest undertaking ever.... I am recreating Pandora in my basement.Its going to like up and everything. Starting with everything on this page.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=avatar+action+figures&tag=googhydr-20&index=toys-and-games&hvadid=3171965159&ref=pd_sl_27jkq687sw_e
Am I missing something? No commentary on this? ??? ???
What really annoyed me was the hype it got from everyone around me. "Go see it...it's the best movie ever made!"....what a load of bollocks.
This is what kills movies for people. As I think I said earlier in this thread or maybe the movie one, I really try to avoid hearing too much about a film before I see it because of this. Of course with Avatar it's damn near impossible to avoid discussion but not completely.
I gotta tell you, I watched it in 3D AND... My friend called me, I told her to reserve the tickets. I said that it had to be in 3D and the sooner the better. She called the movie theatre and she got two tickets at 3:30 pm. I was glad. Kids started to arrive at the theatre. I was only concerned that the kids will not shut up. To my surprise they were really quite enjoying the movie all along. After everything was in place and I had my goggles on: BAM!!! The narrator starts the movie talking in Spanish!!! My friend cover her mouth and said sorry like 30 times! "I didn't check if it was in English!!!"
At first I was really annoyed. But I wasn't gonna give US$7 and not watch the movie... So I endured the first 30 minutes and after that I got used to it (the glasses too).
:lol :lol, that's great
Kids can be pretty annoying in movies, especially 3D. I remember when my boyfriend and I went to see Up this little kid behind us kept yelling out 'WHOOOOOA" like every five minutes. It was funny/cute the first time but then I kind of wanted to yell at him. When my friend and I went to see Coraline in 3D these people brought a fucking BABY. Wtf? Anyway...
Fuck all of you. Turns out I'm not the only one.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
"James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora."
The article doesn't say these were emotionally stable people :P
But I had at least hoped that maybe when people saw this movie the would want to get out and experience nature or at least understand why many environments on earth are fragile and need protecting. seems not I guess.
I think those kinds of complex ideas are beyond the average viewer, unfortunately.
I really wish the world was more like Tony Hawk Proskater 4. Imagine, skateboard friendly architecture and random people just standing around all day to give you minor challenges, as far as the eye can see.
:rollin
I went on a five and a half mile hike today up a mountain in snow. The whole time I was thinking, this is awesome, not as good as Pandora, but still really awesome.
Actually it is. Better than Pandora. Y'know why?
BECAUSE IT'S REAL
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Are we sure Chino isn't trying to mess with us?
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Why send in ground troops when a tactical non-nuclear missile strike would take care of everything you need?
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If that ever happened to the Ometacya people, even in a movie, I'd have to kill myself.
Chino they're not real.
I don't care.
Sorry but lol.
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Lonestar's Official Avatar Review:
:corn
:)
:biggrin:
:o
:eek
:omg:
:metal :metal :metal
:hefdaddy
:hat
:clap:
Not the greatest movie of all time, but one helluva entertaining cinematic ride. Definatly worth a trip to see it in IMAX. Now I can start reading this thread. :biggrin:
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Lonestar's Official Avatar Review:
:corn
:)
:biggrin:
:o
:eek
:omg:
:metal :metal :metal
:hefdaddy
:hat
:clap:
:tup
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:o
:hefdaddy
Easily my two favorite parts.
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My review:
:omg:
:o
;D
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:)
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:-[
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im not buying into the hype, and all you guys can start the flames, but really? that was avatar? Pocahontas on roids? i didnt like it. i wish i just went and saw sherlock holmes for the second time, even though i knew the twists.
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I gotta tell you, I watched it in 3D AND... My friend called me, I told her to reserve the tickets. I said that it had to be in 3D and the sooner the better. She called the movie theatre and she got two tickets at 3:30 pm. I was glad. Kids started to arrive at the theatre. I was only concerned that the kids will not shut up. To my surprise they were really quite enjoying the movie all along. After everything was in place and I had my goggles on: BAM!!! The narrator starts the movie talking in Spanish!!! My friend cover her mouth and said sorry like 30 times! "I didn't check if it was in English!!!"
At first I was really annoyed. But I wasn't gonna give US$7 and not watch the movie... So I endured the first 30 minutes and after that I got used to it (the glasses too).
:lol :lol, that's great
Kids can be pretty annoying in movies, especially 3D. I remember when my boyfriend and I went to see Up this little kid behind us kept yelling out 'WHOOOOOA" like every five minutes. It was funny/cute the first time but then I kind of wanted to yell at him. When my friend and I went to see Coraline in 3D these people brought a fucking BABY. Wtf? Anyway...
To tell you the truth, this was the first time I watched a movie in 3D. I dodge an obstacle in the battle scene :lol Which reminds me, how slow that 3D feature has advanced in ten years! I remember that Spider-Man ride in Islands of Adventure and how it easily was the best ride for me, being so real and fun, back in 1999 when I went there. Did it really have to take ten years or so to make the big studios implement it as a permanent feature in the movies (and I know Beowulf was in 3D too in 2006, but still!!)?!?
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I just saw it again.
It was even better this time.
She keeps saying that.
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I gotta tell you, I watched it in 3D AND... My friend called me, I told her to reserve the tickets. I said that it had to be in 3D and the sooner the better. She called the movie theatre and she got two tickets at 3:30 pm. I was glad. Kids started to arrive at the theatre. I was only concerned that the kids will not shut up. To my surprise they were really quite enjoying the movie all along. After everything was in place and I had my goggles on: BAM!!! The narrator starts the movie talking in Spanish!!! My friend cover her mouth and said sorry like 30 times! "I didn't check if it was in English!!!"
At first I was really annoyed. But I wasn't gonna give US$7 and not watch the movie... So I endured the first 30 minutes and after that I got used to it (the glasses too).
:lol :lol, that's great
Kids can be pretty annoying in movies, especially 3D. I remember when my boyfriend and I went to see Up this little kid behind us kept yelling out 'WHOOOOOA" like every five minutes. It was funny/cute the first time but then I kind of wanted to yell at him. When my friend and I went to see Coraline in 3D these people brought a fucking BABY. Wtf? Anyway...
To tell you the truth, this was the first time I watched a movie in 3D. I dodge an obstacle in the battle scene :lol Which reminds me, how slow that 3D feature has advanced in ten years! I remember that Spider-Man ride in Islands of Adventure and how it easily was the best ride for me, being so real and fun, back in 1999 when I went there. Did it really have to take ten years or so to make the big studios implement it as a permanent feature in the movies (and I know Beowulf was in 3D too in 2006, but still!!)?!?
Well the technology itself has been around for half a century. First off, it's a matter of the technology getting good enough to work with it, and show it in the cinema, and it's taken time for it to be slowly accepted enough that more studios will put up the money for the extra production costs of making the movie in 3D. I think it took the recent success of some big 3D films to really break it in.
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Yeah Hitchcock made films in 3D. It fell out of fashion because of CGI basically, plus the fact that it never looked all that great because the technology wasn't as good (essentially the screen was designed to not change the polarisation of the light reflecting off it, but it still never looked that smooth, whereas digital screens get much better picture).
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I went on a five and a half mile hike today up a mountain in snow. The whole time I was thinking, this is awesome, not as good as Pandora, but still really awesome.
I too went on a long walk a couple of days after Avatar. I too was feeling rather melancholic that Pandora wasn't real. It was snowing, too.
The only difference is that, with the snow pouring down from the skies and the cold just barely held away by my coat, I realized Earth is a beautiful place, too, perhaps even more so than Pandora,and that we should enjoy and cherish what we have right here. Which I kinda think was the purpose of this film.
That, and make truckloads of cash.
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I just saw avartar and i thought it was one of the most beautiful films i have seen
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Anyone see Avatar on the Colbert Report?
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So apparently theres a little controversy springing up because a lot of the story, characters, and a lot of little things in Avatar seems to be exactly the same from an old PC game called Albion.
In the year 2227, the gigantic, interstellar space ship Toronto reaches a distant planetary system. The ship's owners, the huge corporation Doimlr-Daihatsu-Thompson, believe that there are rich deposits of raw materials on the third planet of the system, and the Toronto is to mine the whole planet's resources at once. The data that describes the planet as a desert, however, turns out to be false. Albion is a world full of life, secrets, surprises, and magic. When Tom Driscoll, the pilot of the reconnaissance team, discovers this, he swears to save Albion from Toronto's tentacles
Ok, so while that seems pretty generic, theres more. The natives of the planet are also "cat-like" people. And one thing that really stood out to me: Apparently the natives also use an organ that they haev to connect with plants, animals, and each other, just like in the movie.
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Just wait 'till I go public with my story that James Cameron ripped off an acid trip of mine. I totally saw horses with six legs.
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Ok, so while that seems pretty generic, theres more. The natives of the planet are also "cat-like" people. And one thing that really stood out to me: Apparently the natives also use an organ that they haev to connect with plants, animals, and each other, just like in the movie.
(https://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/1217335531-01.png)
(https://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/1217335532-03.png)
My fucking heart just sank.
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https://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/albion/screenshots/gameShotId,314897/
The game is even in 3D! Does Cameron's thievery know no bounds?!
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Scurvy!Dreams.
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I just checked on IMDB, and that's the name of one of the Na'vi characters! There's no depth Jimmy C won't sink to.
(That incredible pun wasn't even intentional!)
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:lol :lol
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Oh fuck. And it was released 15 years ago, eh?
Just wait 'till I go public with my story that James Cameron ripped off an acid trip of mine. I totally saw horses with six legs.
:lol
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I don't really see the resemblance, other than the tail. ???
Unless you guys are all being sarcastic. :P
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I just checked on IMDB, and that's the name of one of the Na'vi characters! There's no depth Jimmy C won't sink to.
:lol
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I just checked on IMDB, and that's the name of one of the Na'vi characters! There's no depth Jimmy C won't sink to.
(https://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/09/james_cameron.jpg)
(https://www.blogcdn.com/www.cinematical.com/media/2009/11/james-cameron-(2).jpg)
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I don't really see the resemblance, other than the tail. ???
Unless you guys are all being sarcastic. :P
Looks really similar to me, especially if you change the skin from brown to blue.
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Did you read the description??
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Going to see this again tomorrow, in a cinema this time.
Amped as a bitch.
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I read in a newspaper some people commited suicide over Pandora not being real and that they didn't feel anything compared to it.
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I've seen a coouple post concerning theivery, and it brought to mind Alan Dean Foster's novels Midworld and Midflinx. The world he developed in these books are eerily similar to Pandora, especially the concepts of the worldmind and the hometree.
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I read in a newspaper some people commited suicide over Pandora not being real and that they didn't feel anything compared to it.
Some people are silly-billies.
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That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
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That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
Actually, there was an emphasis on many of the plants being different as well (i.e. Sully touching a lot of the plants as he straddled along). The planet hosted weird creatures, interactive plants, and more neighboring moons or planets.
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That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
Actually, there was an emphasis on many of the plants being different as well (i.e. Sully touching a lot of the plants as he straddled along). The planet hosted weird creatures, interactive plants, and more neighboring moons or planets.
Orcus's point is that while they added and exaggerated things, it was still based on our own world. And there is a lot of astounding beauty in our world. Anyone depressed because they think our world is not attractive is an idiot.
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That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
Actually, there was an emphasis on many of the plants being different as well (i.e. Sully touching a lot of the plants as he straddled along). The planet hosted weird creatures, interactive plants, and more neighboring moons or planets.
Orcus's point is that while they added and exaggerated things, it was still based on our own world. And there is a lot of astounding beauty in our world. Anyone depressed because they think our world is not attractive is an idiot.
I know, but he said the "plants weren't orange", when in fact there were some orange plants (the things that shrunk when you touched them seemed closer to orange of the usual colors). I mean, I agree that our world contains some fascinating marvels and it should leave no one to dwell too long over Pandora's own beauty (which really was gratifying), but it was a bit of a different world. It wasn't entirely new or even somewhat new, but it had its noticeable differences.
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I read in a newspaper some people commited suicide over Pandora not being real and that they didn't feel anything compared to it.
:facepalm:
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That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
Actually, there was an emphasis on many of the plants being different as well (i.e. Sully touching a lot of the plants as he straddled along). The planet hosted weird creatures, interactive plants, and more neighboring moons or planets.
Orcus's point is that while they added and exaggerated things, it was still based on our own world. And there is a lot of astounding beauty in our world. Anyone depressed because they think our world is not attractive is an idiot.
I know, but he said the "plants weren't orange", when in fact there were some orange plants (the things that shrunk when you touched them seemed closer to orange of the usual colors). I mean, I agree that our world contains some fascinating marvels and it should leave no one to dwell too long over Pandora's own beauty (which really was gratifying), but it was a bit of a different world. It wasn't entirely new or even somewhat new, but it had its noticeable differences.
He obviously didn't mean there were no orange plants at all. :lol We have orange plants here on Earth! He meant that the main foliage (which is green here) was still green, not some random other colour. Obviously there were differences (some minor, like the ones you mentioned, some huge like the massive tree they lived in) otherwise it would have just looked identical to Earth. :P
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Ariich, just say that you want to joust with me, and we shall duel.
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I challenge you...
*picks up glove and slaps James in the face with it*
...to a duel!
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"I choose...the banjo"
Epic Win Props to anyone who gets that reference.
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I read in a newspaper some people commited suicide over Pandora not being real and that they didn't feel anything compared to it.
What idiots. But if it's any consolation, they were surely messed up in the head beforehand anyway if they were stupid enough to suicide over a fucking movie.
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"I choose...the banjo"
Epic Win Props to anyone who gets that reference.
The Curse of Monkey Island. Now give me my Epic Win.
That's so dumb. Pandora pretty much is our rainforests just minus the floating islands. I mean it's not like the plants were orange and the sky was purple. It looked almost exactly like Earth.
I'm not saying that these landscapes only exist here, but seriously, guys, visit Latin America. At a distance it looks really beautiful, once you get into the forests and jungle, DAMN if it's a really hostile environment that you want to get out of immediately. And that's a thing the movie apparently did well, it fooled you in making you think everything is just beauty. The Nav'i (or what's it called) are adapted to it, like any indigenous person, but for us, average urban citizens, it is a nightmare.
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:rollin :rollin
(https://1.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/a/d/collegehumor.0e91a4ba44849a6f9572fe6d8a9bcb98.jpg)
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Did you guys get the joke when Jake saw his tail for the first time and (I don't remember who) said: "don't play with it too much or it will fall off?" or something like it?
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"I choose...the banjo"
Epic Win Props to anyone who gets that reference.
The Curse of Monkey Island. Now give me my Epic Win.
:metal *hands epic win over*
Did you guys get the joke when Jake saw his tail for the first time and (I don't remember who) said: "don't play with it too much or it will fall off?" or something like it?
Nope, I thought it might be a reference though.
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:lol it's a saying parents usually tell their kids so they don't play with their penis.
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:metal :metal :metal
https://filmonic.com/cameron-talks-avatar-2-and-avatar-dvd-632
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Not the questions I wanted answered but okay!
:rollin :rollin
(https://1.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/a/d/collegehumor.0e91a4ba44849a6f9572fe6d8a9bcb98.jpg)
:lol :lol
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I actually find it a bit hard to believe that this film is going to overtake Titanic. I mean, I guess it was really only a matter of time til something came along, but for quite a while, every time I'd look at that top-grossing films list, I kinda couldn't see how any film might overtake it. Even insanely hyped movies like ROTK, The Dark Knight and the second Pirates didn't really even come close.
Also, saw this again this weekend. I knew the story inside out from watching it the first time, so I just soaked in the CGI this time, which I didn't have the first time. Was definitely very enjoyable.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films)
Battle's basically over.
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^^Yeah, Avatar needs $400M to beat his last movie. Not gonna happen. Avatar doesn't have the great commotion Titanic had 13 years ago.^^
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Idk, it just might.
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^^Yeah, Avatar needs $400M to beat his last movie. Not gonna happen. Avatar doesn't have the great commotion Titanic had 13 years ago.^^
Titanic also had a second run. The only reason it made so much money is that it was in theaters for about half a year.
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Avatar might still catch it. Of course, it has the advantage of 12 years of inflation AND higher priced 3D/IMAX tickets.
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Saw the movie last night, didn't really wanna go but we already had the tickets so I went.
Had IMAX tickets but the IMAX theater was full so I saw it in 3D, they gave us two extra tickets to see any other movie later too.
Apparently 3D has improved since I saw Jaws 3D in the early 90's with my family back in Egypt, it's much better now heh
Long story short; the move was awesome, the negative reviews should attend to a glory hole cause this was almost flawless, and that's coming from a guy that hates movies that has aliens or any sort or weird creature make ups/customs.
The graphics, the cinematography, the script and the execution of a few recycled ideas in such manner is totally worth respect and recognition.
In a time where there are no more stories to "invent", this movie made it feel like a fresh idea and that's an accomplishment imo.
I like the concept of humans going to take over other planets and being the futuristic more lethal force in the balance, it's kinda new to me although I'm sure it's been done before but never been executed that good visually, kudos Mr. Cameron.
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Just saw it recently and there's not a whole lot I can add that hasn't been said before. The claims that it's just a "tech demo" are completely off track, imo. Ignoring the technology behind it, it's, at the absolute least, an average movie. It's definitely not fancy CGI just for the sake of having fancy CGI to wank off to.
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I think the most telling thing about the story's quality is that there has been almost no discussion of it beyond:
Person A: "The story was bland and predictable, and the movie suffers for it."
Person B: "The story was a little bland and predictable, but it doesn't detract from the movie."
If the story was at all interesting, wouldn't we have seen some talk about it in the last 12 pages? The Dark Knight thread from last year went far beyond "the movie was pretty, and look how much money it's making!"
I hate to be Internet Backlash Guy, especially since I quite enjoyed the movie on first viewing, but the movie's shallow as a teacup, and the awards it's starting to rack up are baffling.
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To be fair, the plot in the Dark Knight was quite a bit more complex, and so fast-paced that a lot of people were coming into the thread and asking questions which were explained in the film, but which they just didn't catch due to the pace, so it was bound to attract more discussion than a film like Avatar.
But I think shallow as a teacup is a bit much. It's more a combination of a) the story isn't too complicated or fast-paced, and also significant is b) most if not all of the 'i's are dotted and 'T's crossed for the audience in center view. There's no "so what happened to..." or "I didn't understand why..."
Although admittedly, this also has to do with more simply drawn characters. I don't think there's any point in the film where you don't understand what the characters are thinking, and thus the motivations behind their actions are pretty straight-forward. One of the fun parts of the Dark Knight was trying to work out why Bruce Wayne was negotiating his way through the minefield he faced in the way he did.
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All the i's were dotted and T's were crossed beforehand because Cameron didn't do anything new aside from create a new slight variation of a plotline people were already familiar with. Even all the little things I was able to predict which was really annoying. Two examples I can think of were when the Chief was killed at the Great Tree and he gave his daughter his bow you almost knew "ok she's going to use that to avenge her father's death by killing the Colonel" even though that wasn't going to happen for another hour and when Norm picked up the gun at the end and started firing I just knew he was going to die. I can't place where I've seen that situation before but it was painfully obvious.
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The second one didn't happen though I'm pretty sure.
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He definitely got shot and you don't see him the rest of the movie. Well at least his avatar. I can't really remember though because he might've been at the end. Either way he was a forgettable character.
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Avatar wins golden globe for best picture. Is this the year a sci-fi film finally takes the big one home? I didn't see any other movies of worth this year so I am not one to judge, but it would be nice to see E.T. finally vindicated.
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There's no way Avatar deserves best picture, despite how pretty it is.
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I don't think it does deserve it either, but then again, I put very little credence in the Academy.
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In terms of sci-fi either Moon or District definitely deserve it above Avatar, mostly Moon.
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In terms of sci-fi either Moon or District definitely deserve it above Avatar, mostly Moon.
I have been dying to see Moon.(My initial post,BTW, was not that I thought it deserved it, but due to commercial success and the unpredictability of the Academy, it has a shot of winning).
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Yeah, it was "don't play with that or you'll go blind" :lol
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:lol
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If you don't like Avatar, we are not a match.
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Spoiler!!!
About the Norm thing: He doesn't die at the end, his avatar does. You see him at the very end where Jake is saying "Only a selected few were chosen to stay" or something like that at the end. (With that other guy with the glasses)
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Spoiler!!!
About the Norm thing: He doesn't die at the end, his avatar does. You see him at the very end where Jake is saying "Only a selected few were chosen to stay" or something like that at the end. (With that other guy with the glasses)
yeah... it showed him crawl out of the machine thinking he had been shot in the shoulder.
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We're way past spoiler text guys. The movie's been out for a month, everyone in the world has seen it and the title says spoiler. And the concept of spoiling Avatar's story is pretty hilarious to begin with.
Where the hell did Norm go in between crawling out of the tube and freaking out, and the scene where they escort the corporation off planet? He doesn't seem to be in the hut when the General smashes the shit out of it.
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Where the hell did Norm go in between crawling out of the tube and freaking out, and the scene where they escort the corporation off planet? He doesn't seem to be in the hut when the General smashes the shit out of it.
He ran out of it with a gun and mask.
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Turn on Leno.
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Turn on Leno.
never, I have standards :P
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Turn on Leno.
I did, why was conan on?
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.
If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.
If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.
...and if you don't see that the plight of the American Indian (please don't say Native American- its disrespectful) was basically exploited for this film, I feel sorry for you. While visually stunning- I think the film it was exploitative in a way.
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. So while I'm sitting there in the theater stuffing my face with popcorn and Jr. Mints a thought slowly developed that if Mr. Cameron wanted to make a meaningful picture, make the true story of the American Indian. Oh wait- thats right, that story doesn't have a happy ending. Literally at one point I leaned over to my wife and whispered ''Do you think they'll be opertaing casinos by the end of the movie?" And I guess what bothers me most is that all of these fanboys of this film (and Cameron in general) think this is this great epic fanstasy story, when in fact- the characters are fictional, but the story to a point sadly is all too real. I'm sure I'm just too close to the situation to not see it differently- too bad other people arent a little closer too.
If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.
...and if you don't see that the plight of the American Indian (please don't say Native American- its disrespectful) was basically exploited for this film, I feel sorry for you. While visually stunning- I think the film it was exploitative in a way.
My bad, I always confuse which version to say. I understand fully that the movie has many similarities to what happened to the American Indians, but at the same time it is an event that happened so long ago, I can't understand why people still hold a grudge against it, or get pissed when stories are made based off it. I too have a good amount of Indian in my family, so I'm not just talking here. I guess people have different view points on the movies relevance.
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. S
what like the mongolians and turks? there are a ton of stories that repeat in history, no need to get all bunched up over it just because the story is the same.
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Saw this film and hated it. Heres why.
My grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, which makes my dad 1/2 and myself 1/4. I grew up with a respect and appreciation for my American Indian heritage, and not in the way that nearly every American claims to have Indian blood in their lineage either. I have relatives who still live on the res in N.C.
Anyway, about 20 minutes into this film~ I realized that this is nothing more than the remake of the story of the plight of the American Indian. Hell, they shoot arrows, ride horse-like creatures, and even have battle cries not unlike American Indians. S
what like the mongolians and turks? there are a ton of stories that repeat in history, no need to get all bunched up over it just because the story is the same.
Like I said, I think it just hit a discordant nerve with me that I spent the remainder of the film trying to get passed, and I couldn't.
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that's ok i was just baiting, turks, mongoalians, and the american indians are the same race anyway.
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God damn mongowians
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knocking down my shitty warl for the rast time
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AHHHHH! SWEET AND SOUR PORK!!!
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In terms of sci-fi either Moon or District definitely deserve it above Avatar, mostly Moon.
Completely agree. I liked Avatar a lot, but Moon and District 9 were amazing. :tup
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...and if you don't see that the plight of the American Indian (please don't say Native American- its disrespectful) was basically exploited for this film, I feel sorry for you. While visually stunning- I think the film it was exploitative in a way.
I can't agree with this. Say what you will about Avatar, but it seems like a perfectly earnest attempt by Cameron to make a film about how technologically advanced societies dehumanize and try to subjugate technologically less advanced societies. I have a lot of issues with Avatar (I think the Na'vi culture is too simplistically derived from American Indian culture), but Cameron exploiting American Indian history isn't one of them.
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If all you see in the movie is the similarities to the Native Americans, I feel sorry for you. You are focusing too much on a small aspect of the movie.
Listen I know you're a rabid Avatar fan but the Native American aspect was a big part of the movie.
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I don't see what's so disrespectful about the white guy joining the tribe, quickly mastering their culture within weeks, and becoming the greatest Indian of all time(!!!). :huh:
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I don't see what's so disrespectful about the white guy joining the tribe, quickly mastering their culture within weeks, and becoming the greatest Indian of all time(!!!). :huh:
I wish I could be the greatest black guy of all time, but that honor belongs to the voice of Morgan Freeman :sadpanda:
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I don't see what's so disrespectful about the white guy joining the tribe, quickly mastering their culture within weeks, and becoming the greatest Indian of all time(!!!). :huh:
but that honor belongs to the voice of Morgan Freeman :sadpanda:
That is one thing we agree on.
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I just saw it for the first time this afternoon, and I was blown away.
That's all.
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
Come on. You've never seen a worse movie than Avatar? Really?
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
Come on. You've never seen a worse movie than Avatar? Really?
I think just the hype and the stupid people saying "BEST MOVIE EVER MADE!!!!!!!", warrants that critisism!
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
Come on. You've never seen a worse movie than Avatar? Really?
I think just the hype and the stupid people saying "BEST MOVIE EVER MADE!!!!!!!", warrants that critisism!
Well, it's not the best film ever made, but your reaction seems a little overblown.
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I don't see what's so disrespectful about the white guy joining the tribe, quickly mastering their culture within weeks, and becoming the greatest Indian of all time(!!!). :huh:
I wish I could be the greatest black guy of all time, but that honor belongs to the voice of Morgan Freeman :sadpanda:
Sorry hun, maybe you should go back to being white? :P
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I stumbled upon a few free passes and used them to catch Avatar again last night. Packed house for a movie that's been out a month already caught me off guard. According to Friday's numbers, looks like it's going to stay number 1 again this weekend. That will put it ahead of Dark Knight (domestically). My God, does this movie really have a shot? I can't believe no film has been able to touch Cameron's last . . . except Cameron's newest. Fitting I suppose.
On the film, what a great pace up until SPOILERS the tree falls. I can't exactly pinpoint why it loses its steam, but the movie just seems to trot along until the final battle where things pick up again. Still, even the third time around, this movie is an experience. I really hope Cameron follows up with a sequel.
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
You post like baby!
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Figure'd this belonged in the Avatar thread. Enjoy (esp. you Chino :tup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvHQXpFeRo
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I saw Avatar a few weeks ago and I have to say it is the biggest piece of CRAP I have ever seen! Great cinematography though. Granted I only saw it in 2D but no extra dimension can salvage that piece of shit!
Come on. You've never seen a worse movie than Avatar? Really?
I think just the hype and the stupid people saying "BEST MOVIE EVER MADE!!!!!!!", warrants that critisism!
That makes no sense whatsoever.
In fact, it's exactly the same as people saying it's amazing purely because it's so hyped up, which is actually very few people. Most people who say they love it genuinely do.
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I will also say that watching this film in theaters WITHOUT watching in 3D sounds, I don't know, kind of dumb.
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Avatar is plain and simple, a extremely fun, visually stunning movie experience. If your going to see some deep storyline, don't bother, but if you want to experience something you've never seen before on a movie screen, then go. I loved it because it was damn fun to watch.
and you can't not see it in 3D.
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Figure'd this belonged in the Avatar thread. Enjoy (esp. you Chino :tup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvHQXpFeRo
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Avatar is plain and simple, a extremely fun, visually stunning movie experience. If your going to see some deep storyline, don't bother, but if you want to experience something you've never seen before on a movie screen, then go. I loved it because it was damn fun to watch.
and you can't not see it in 3D.
This man speaks so much truth.
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Figure'd this belonged in the Avatar thread. Enjoy (esp. you Chino :tup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvHQXpFeRo
:omg:.........
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I can't wait for the blu ray release of this film. I hope it will include hours of behind the scenes.
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I can't wait for the blu ray release of this film. I hope it will include hours of behind the scenes.
Special features, commentaries, making-of, and art galleries FTW.
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I can't wait for the blu ray release of this film. I hope it will include hours of behind the scenes.
Special features, commentaries, making-of, and art galleries FTW.
I'd really like to see concept art from 15 years ago when the story first started to be written.
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so it passed the dark knight for 2nd highest grossing movies of all time.
https://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross (https://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross)
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I can't even fathom how much money Mr. Cameron has.
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I feel like he could release a two hour movie of him shitting and it'd gross a billion dollars no problem.
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Adjusted for inflation, it still isn't close to Titanic, and it really isn't close to the all-time champ Gone With The Wind.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
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I don't like those numbers though. What if the Avatar tickets are cheaper and more people go to see the movie multiple times, thus making its gross even higher? You just can't know.
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I don't like those numbers though. What if the Avatar tickets are cheaper and more people go to see the movie multiple times, thus making its gross even higher? You just can't know.
I don't understand what you're saying. Movie tickets are more expensive now than at any time in history.
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Their estimated price on that website is $7.10?!
Movie tickets are like $12!
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I don't like those numbers though. What if the Avatar tickets are cheaper and more people go to see the movie multiple times, thus making its gross even higher? You just can't know.
I don't understand what you're saying. Movie tickets are more expensive now than at any time in history.
Special offers? It all gets skewed by that kind of thing.
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
Agreed, there would be a much more reliable result.
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Figure'd this belonged in the Avatar thread. Enjoy (esp. you Chino :tup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvHQXpFeRo
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
Agreed, there would be a much more reliable result.
Absolutely. Though there would still be a slant in how big of a release a film gets (The Dark Knight's was ungodly), inflation wouldn't play into it as a factor, nor would novelty price additions like 3D and IMAX.
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I feel like he could release a two hour movie of him shitting and it'd gross a billion dollars no problem.
There's only one way to find out.....
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
Because the accountants of the film studios count money, not tickets.
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
Because the accountants of the film studios count money, not tickets.
Plus, they could just sell the tickets really cheap.
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Why don't the tickets sold get recorded instead of the money taken in.
Because the accountants of the film studios count money, not tickets.
Plus, they could just sell the tickets really cheap.
Not if they still wanted to make a profit.
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Avatar has now beat Titanic.
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I knew it
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Avatar has now beat Titanic.
James Cameron now has more money than God.
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Avatar has now beat Titanic.
Sauce?
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Avatar has now beat Titanic.
Sauce?
Alfredo.
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So, the world has reached a new Avatar craze:
A Chinese mountain has reportedly been renamed in honour of the sci-fi film Avatar, after claims it had inspired scenery in the fantasy blockbuster.
Full article: https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8480954.stm (https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8480954.stm)
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
Yes. That's the kind of thing a parent should be punished for
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
Yes. That's the kind of thing a parent should be punished for
Your child would be the laughing stock of the world.
Just sayin'
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
Yes. That's the kind of thing a parent should be punished for
At least we usually have the failsafe that people who'd name their kids "Leia" or "Trinity" don't get the option of pro-creating. It's like they're cheating the system now.
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
Would it be lame if I had a son and named him T-800? Would it be lame if I had a son and named him Spock? Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Zira?
YES! IT BLOODY WELL WOULD BE!
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
Would it be lame if I had a son and named him T-800? Would it be lame if I had a son and named him Spock? Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Zira?
YES! IT BLOODY WELL WOULD BE!
This. ;)
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Would it be lame if I had a daughter and named her Neytiri?
"Daddy, where did I get my name?"
"From this movie, princess."
"You mean the blue thing with fangs and her boobs all hanging out?"
"That's right!"
"...I hate you now."
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You name baby like baby.
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Guess what movie I saw last night.
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My gut tells me it was "Weekend at Bernies 2", but I could be wrong.
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My gut tells me it was "Weekend at Bernies 2", but I could be wrong.
That might be the worst sequel ever made.
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My gut tells me it was "Weekend at Bernies 2", but I could be wrong.
That might be the worst sequel ever made.
It might be the worst film ever made.
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My gut tells me it was "Weekend at Bernies 2", but I could be wrong.
That might be the worst sequel ever made.
It might be the worst film ever made.
It might be the worst war crime ever filmed.
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My gut tells me it was "Weekend at Bernies 2", but I could be wrong.
That might be the worst sequel ever made.
It might be the worst film ever made.
It might be the worst war crime ever filmed.
It might be the worst buddy cop movie ever made
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Enough! I call shenanigans on the last 2 posts.
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Shenanigans has been declared! Everyone get your broomsticks
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I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says shenanigans.
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Hey hef, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the wall and the mozzarella sticks?
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(https://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Super%20Troopers%20Shenanigans%2001.jpg)
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I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says shenanigans.
(https://50mm-fr.com/FR_Pics/Cats/confused%20cat%20huh.jpg)
Pistol whip? Wats dat?
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lolignorant
It's the use of a pistol as a blunt weapon.
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lolignorant
It's the use of a pistol as a blunt weapon.
(https://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/confused_look_cat.jpg)
NO WAY!
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lolignorant
It's the use of a pistol as a blunt weapon.
*snip*
NO WAY!
WAY!
And what's with all the cats?
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lolignorant
It's the use of a pistol as a blunt weapon.
*snip*
NO WAY!
WAY!
And what's with all the cats?
Couldn't help it. ;)
And I am disappoint. A pistol-whip should be something much cooler and useful. :P
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lolignorant
It's the use of a pistol as a blunt weapon.
*snip*
NO WAY!
WAY!
And what's with all the cats?
Couldn't help it. ;)
And I am disappoint. A pistol-whip should be something much cooler and useful. :P
Well, I'm sure getting hit in the head with the end of a gun still hurts a hell of a lot.
But yeah, as pistol-whip sounds like something Indiana Jones would use.
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I just watched this film in 3D and it is probably the best film I've ever seen in a cinema.
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Shenanigans has been declared! Everyone get your broomsticks
WEE-A-BOO WEE-A-BOO!
(https://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF071-Weeaboo.gif)
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:heart that movie so, so much
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I watched it again, and it was just as good
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Just bought tickets for an IMAX showing next week.
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Chino is the 2010 equivalent of those middle school girls who went to see Titanic a dozen times because Leo and the love story.
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I can't explain why I want to watch this movie all the time. Something about it puts me in a positive mental state unlike anything else in my life. I'm not saying I use the movie to escape from reality, but every time I know I am going to see it, I am in an awesome mood and can't wait to do it again.
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I'm still refusing to believe that Chino is completely serious.
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I am 100% serious.
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Good read.
https://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/04/james-camerons-avatar-is-many-things-but-not-racist/
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Love how she completely misses that the Na'vi are obvious stand-ins for native people, not blacks.
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Hey hef, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the wall and the mozzarella sticks?
SHENANIGANS
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So I finally saw this film and it is truly greatness, you are more than correct Chino.
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7
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...out of 10. That's about how good this film is.
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The funny guy who does the reviews Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzKwTcGO_0
He pretty much sums a lot of my feelings.
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What are the thoughts on the score? I know it was Oscar nominated but I can't help but feel that it was going to nominated just because. I can't for the life of me remember anything about it let alone if there was a main theme or anything. It'd be a shame if it won.
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What are the thoughts on the score? I know it was Oscar nominated but I can't help but feel that it was going to nominated just because. I can't for the life of me remember anything about it let alone if there was a main theme or anything. It'd be a shame if it won.
The score is really good in the movie. Since I have seen it so many times, I no longer have to pay attention to the characters, plot, etc.. I just take everything in. When I went the other night I paid extra attention to the score. The final minute of the movie is pure gold. I can't say whether I think it should win seeing as I haven't seen most of the other movies, but it definitely deserved the nomination.
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What are the thoughts on the score? I know it was Oscar nominated but I can't help but feel that it was going to nominated just because. I can't for the life of me remember anything about it let alone if there was a main theme or anything. It'd be a shame if it won.
I thought it was really good. Not quite what I'd call great as there wasn't anything particularly memorable in it, but it added immensely to the feel of the film, which is the most important thing when it comes to scores.
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What are the thoughts on the score? I know it was Oscar nominated but I can't help but feel that it was going to nominated just because. I can't for the life of me remember anything about it let alone if there was a main theme or anything. It'd be a shame if it won.
I absolutely love the score. Amazing 3D + Amazing Score = Sensory bliss.
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Chino, you should write an Avatar review for the review forum!
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As far as the score goes, it's my favorite of the year. A few words though:
The score doesn't really get many moments during the flick. Narration "gets in the way" and for the most part it's not in your face (for better and for worse). The CD, on the other hand, is phenomenal. The album covers just about all the high points of the movie and is a fantastic audio journey of discovery, enchantment, tragedy and finally action. There isn't a weak track on the album. It's that good.
The only really competition it has for best score is Up, an equally impressive score. Up should probably win as it's more original, but I prefer Avatar because it's an epic.
It was a pretty slow year as far as scores go and I know nominating Avatar for best score might seem like a "just do it because it's the big money maker" move, but the score deserves it.
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The funny guy who does the reviews Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzKwTcGO_0
He pretty much sums a lot of my feelings.
:rollin
I love that guy...and he brings up some very good points.
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The funny guy who does the reviews Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzKwTcGO_0
He pretty much sums a lot of my feelings.
That was the funniest thing I have watched in a long time.
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Prior to seeing this movie I had my issues. I suspected it to be another cgi-garbage as in Transformers. The plot seemed so generic and cliched. Plus I really really dislike michelle rodgriguez.
After seeing it I have to give a major major :tup. Pandora and the Nav'i where so well done that I quickly felt at home with them. Yes the plot is gnereic and predictable nevertheless i was touched at every turn. Fantastic acting on all sides, amazing cgi, and believable characters makes this one of the most enjoyable films I've seen since lord of the rings. Plus michelle rodriguez redeemed herslef.
I really want to see this again, not for the movie's sake. I really do miss Pandora and the Nav'i, as if they were completely real. I haven't felt this way since seeing Tatooine in episode 1.
Cameron and the gang did an amazing job. Props for sure! :hefdaddy
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
In fairness, the acting is really good.
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It was popcorn level.
And Giovanni Ribisi bugged the fuck out of me.
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
It was actually, especially for CGI, the Nav'i princess in particular.
New topic: CGI winning best actor at Oscars. I mean for future movies, because one thing Avatar clearly showed was the future of filmmaking. Thoughts?
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
It was actually, especially for CGI, the Nav'i princess in particular.
New topic: CGI winning best actor at Oscars. I mean for future movies, because one thing Avatar clearly showed was the future of filmmaking. Thoughts?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
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I don't think so. The animators could alter the acting to make it better. Avatar uses CGI on it's actors, but it keeps their performance intact and unenhanced.
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
It was actually, especially for CGI, the Nav'i princess in particular.
New topic: CGI winning best actor at Oscars. I mean for future movies, because one thing Avatar clearly showed was the future of filmmaking. Thoughts?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Why do you "hope" not? What is the difference between a photo-realistic animated character and a real person? Same end, different medium.
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It's insanely more expensive and pointless, especially if they're just going to look like people. If that's the "future" of filmmaking then only the really high budget films that can afford to have pointless CG characters will get any recognition.
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Why do you "hope" not? What is the difference between a photo-realistic animated character and a real person? Same end, different medium.
What? Do you really think there is no difference at all?
Hope they remake The Godfather with CGI actors.
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Fantastic acting ... believable characters ...
lol
It was actually, especially for CGI, the Nav'i princess in particular.
New topic: CGI winning best actor at Oscars. I mean for future movies, because one thing Avatar clearly showed was the future of filmmaking. Thoughts?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Why do you "hope" not? What is the difference between a photo-realistic animated character and a real person? Same end, different medium.
I was mainly concerned about the paper thin story and unremarkable action sequences.
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Why do you "hope" not? What is the difference between a photo-realistic animated character and a real person? Same end, different medium.
What? Do you really think there is no difference at all?
Hope they remake The Godfather with CGI actors.
No no no, think down the line. Of course the difference is obvious now. What about 100 years from now? What if those animatronix guys affix millions of molecule size sensor balls all over the face of a human to measure the displacement of every single skin cell. There WILL be a point where an animated character will be completely indistinguishable from that of a real person. It is NOT sci-fi as Avatar clearly shows that the road is there, we are simply at the start of it.
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Sure, but what's the point of that? Why spend SO much time and money when you could....just....film them?
Sure, in cases like avatar it makes sense, but in ordinary movies? Nah.
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Sure, but what's the point of that? Why spend SO much time and money when you could....just....film them?
Because technology allows for greater artistic potential?
But you guys are not on my first point, this was taken more serious than i intended lol. Forget about costs and time. The fact of the matter is that the technology WILL be there and we will have animated characters competing with real characters for artistic appreciation. Figure next century and we have a movie like this where the Nav'i were completely completely indistinguishable from humans. My point is.... for Best Actor, who is your choice; the Nav'i princess or Daniel Day Lewis in "Nine" :laugh:
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You would have to program every detail of their performance to match that of a good actor. Which I don´t see happening.
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Sure, but what's the point of that? Why spend SO much time and money when you could....just....film them?
It cost as much as it did because it was the first time. It's like what drug companies say, "the first pill costs a million dollars, the rest just pennies". In time this new method of film could become the norm, and be no more expensive than regular filming is now.
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Overall I enjoyed the movie, but I have to say something: I don´t like Pandora, and I don´t know why people say is "much more beautiful than our crapy planet". I prefer our cute puppies, elegant eagles and sad pandas to the animals depicted in the movie. We have magnificent plants, too. And the Navi were just ugly, much more than humans, with their cat faces and tails. And if you like virgin regions with waterfalls and amazing sunsets, there are plenty of them in our world.
Does anybody agree?
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Nope. Pandora was amazing.
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Nope. Pandora was amazing.
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Day time Pandora = Day time Earth
Night time Pandora > Night time Earth
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Sure, but what's the point of that? Why spend SO much time and money when you could....just....film them?
It cost as much as it did because it was the first time. It's like what drug companies say, "the first pill costs a million dollars, the rest just pennies". In time this new method of film could become the norm, and be no more expensive than regular filming is now.
Baseless. How can you say that doing a lot more work would cost the same as not doing a lot more work?
Like I said, in cases like Avatar, this technology makes a lot of sense. But what about normal movies? Is there even a point in making a movie like Goodfellas all CG? No, filming them is fine. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean it needs to be used constantly, I think George Lucas proved that.
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Definitely late to the party, as I just saw this last night. I went into it with relatively low expectations and was pretty happy with it. I agree with Reap's assessment. Very good movie. Not great, but thoroughly enjoyable despite its flaws. CGI was at times brilliant; at times not. 3D was used really well, IMO. For the most part, Cameron stayed away from the cheap 3D gimmicks one would expect, such as hurling things at you or making stuff jump out at you to get a reaction. It was used more to draw you into the world you were seeting. I liked that. Really not much more to add, since I really don't have the time to get into a therapy session for Chino.
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Am I officially DTF's Avatard?
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The number of times you've seen it... you're an honorary Na'vi
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Am I officially DTF's Avatard?
(https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/06/Intevention_Intervention.jpg)
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The number of times you've seen it... you're an honorary Na'vi
I think I hold the world record.
8 times in theaters (5 of them imax)
7 at my house
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Have you seen it in 2d?
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Have you seen it in 2d?
only at my house
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Am I officially DTF's Avatard?
Oh, I dunno. I wouldn't say that.
:chino:
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Am I officially DTF's Avatard?
Oh, I dunno. I wouldn't say that.
:chino:
:rollin
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I read my initial take and somewhat agree.
The biggest thing is that I've kinda soured on the story. It's well done. I felt invested in the Na'vi winning. I buy that Jake and Neytiri fall in love. The pace and the ebb and flow are all good. Etc. etc.
But it's the same story as Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas. I don't even mean it's a rip off. The "outsider falls in with natives" superstructure is bigger than any single movie. But look at it this way. (SPOILERS:)
- White fairy thing lands on Neytiri. I immediately know it's a supernatural sign she shouldn't shoot him.
- White fairy things land on Jake. I immediately know it's a supernatural harbinger of Jake being the chosen one.
- Jake's whole training with the Na'vi just flows very... lacksidaisically. Although in fairness, that's kinda the point. This long stretch of the movie is important because you need to invest in their culture, and it's perhaps smart on Cameron's part to present as few obstacles to that as possible.
- But more importantly, I'm painfully aware of the upcoming scene where Jake's gonna have to reveal he was sent to the Na'vi to kick them out of their tree. In an interesting omission, he never tells them that he provided the human military with the necessary tactical information to bring it down.
- The one dickhead Na'vi is just so over-the-top. Does he have any dimension as a character beyond "tell Jake how much he sucks"? Although, to Cameron's credit, there's the super-satisfying moment where Jake kicks his ass. The man knows how to play to an audience.
- The moment they introduce the idea of the guy being a legend because he rides the big bird, I IMMEDIATELY know Jake's gonna do it, and that's gonna be his big step to legendary status.
- When the corporate head decides he just wants to burn Na'vi stuff down and make money, okay, I get it, some people are that bad, but we never see the layer of him that explains that level of dehumanization. In Aliens, we understand the corporate guy is that personally greedy and interested in glory. In Avatar, he's just a businessman who's really evil. Please.
- The chief dying when the tree comes down just felt too simple and easy. Neytiri hates him after his big revelation (cliche, but it's hard to do it any other way). None of this is bad, just meh and unsurprising.
- Jake gets on the big bird after escaping. And this is maybe the lamest part of the movie. Jake's idea of approaching the big bird from above is actually pretty awesome. But this calls into question why he was the first one to think of it. Are we as the audience supposed to buy that? And then, when he lands on the big bird, EVERYONE INSTANTLY WELCOMES HIM BACK INCLUDING DOUCHE'VI. I get the idea of respect. I get the idea of different cultures. I understand that trying to ride the big bird shows real commitment on Jake's part to being welcomed back. But this is just preposterous. Having a skill does not necessarily equate with personal fortitude.
- The whole time after thing I'm thinking "Please don't let the Na'vi lose so Pandora can then rally its animals to save itself."
Yeah.
Again, I get it. A big part of the point of the movie is that this planet is one big interconnected network that functions as a brain. But come on.
- From there, I dunno. Michelle Rodriguez dies for no reason. Norm lives for no reason.* Neytiri gets trapped under the big animal. (Which was an overly on the nose moment that maybe didn't need to be there. The animal that tried to eat Jake earlier now wants to help save the planet with Neytiri. I mean... Eh?) So she can't help Jake while he battles the Colonel, and then she saves Jake when he's about to get killed by the Colonel, which is kind of a bummer because I wanted to see Jake win that fight on his own.
It sounds kind of silly, but being able to use movie-tropes in an expected yet riveting way is the key to great film making. The more original you try to be, the harder it is for your audience to relate to the film. What's the one part of Avatar everyone loves? The military hardware. And it's really not that out there. Walkers, Space Marines, and Helicopter gunships. Cameron's able to make them just different enough to be interesting without trying from those very base audience expectations.
But from a plot standpoint, Avatar's just too on the nose for me. If you look at Star Wars, the plot isn't really that out there, but it gets to the expected points in interesting ways. Avatar does have some great moments, but in far too many cases it just delivers on the expected trope without an extra layer to make it fun.
*Wouldn't it have been a more interesting character arc if Norm died for the Na'vi cause, thus transforming from a pretentious science nerd to someone who really cares about the subjects he's helping? Then, you could have a smaller arc where the Indian(?) doctor had to go from a low-level assistant to the main characters to the leader of the remaining human encampment.
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I hear you Reap, and I don't disagree much. But it was fun, and I'm just kinda like, "yeah, okay, that's that." I don't particularly care how much it cost. I'm not really inclined to invest myself in it anymore than I otherwise would just because it cost so much to make, or just because it was so long in the making. It was a fun movie that was executed well enough to hold my interest for the full 161 minutes. I'll probably see it one more time just because it was fun enough and there is certainly enough eye candy that I missed the first time through. I probably will NOT see it more than that (save if it is on TV, or friends have it on when I'm over, or something like that). But that's okay. Once was satisfying enough. Other than from a moviemaking tech standpoint, it's not an "important" movie in any real sense, so I'm not inclined to pretend that it somehow is. It is what it is, and that's good enough for me.
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Am I officially DTF's Avatard?
Oh, I dunno. I wouldn't say that.
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OH FUCK YES!!!
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- Jake's whole training with the Na'vi just flows very... lacksidaisically. Although in fairness, that's kinda the point. This long stretch of the movie is important because you need to invest in their culture, and it's perhaps smart on Cameron's part to present as few obstacles to that as possible.
I think keeping it simple was a good move. It allowed you to feel as though you knew the Na'vi well.
- The one dickhead Na'vi is just so over-the-top. Does he have any dimension as a character beyond "tell Jake how much he sucks"? Although, to Cameron's credit, there's the super-satisfying moment where Jake kicks his ass. The man knows how to play to an audience.
Remember when Grace was explaining him to Jake early on. She said that he and Neytiri were to become a mated pair. He saw Jake as a threat and was jealous of him. Thats my guess at least.
- The chief dying when the tree comes down just felt too simple and easy. Neytiri hates him after his big revelation (cliche, but it's hard to do it any other way). None of this is bad, just meh and unsurprising.
It was expected, and he had to die at some point. Him getting killed by any weapon would have been cliche.
- Jake gets on the big bird after escaping. And this is maybe the lamest part of the movie. Jake's idea of approaching the big bird from above is actually pretty awesome. But this calls into question why he was the first one to think of it. Are we as the audience supposed to buy that?
Keep in mind, even though the Na'vi are intelligent, they are no where near as intelligent as a human. They may not have thought of it. Neytiri did say that it had happened 5 times before, maybe its just too difficult. Also, remember Neytiri said that the ikran must also choose its rider... perhaps Turok could have refused past riders, even if they managed to attack it in a manner Jake did.
- The whole time after thing I'm thinking "Please don't let the Na'vi lose so Pandora can then rally its animals to save itself."
Yeah.
That was to show us all that Ewa was infact real. I think that Grace was wrong in the whole planet acting like a human brain. I think the connection between everything in nature was actually Ewa. Science lead Grace to believe it worked like a brain, but she was being blinded by the science. Much like religious debates on Earth.
- From there, I dunno. Michelle Rodriguez dies for no reason. Norm lives for no reason.
She was on the side of the Na'vi. She tried trying to help them. She knew going in that she was going to die. Remember she mentioned the martydom plan.
*Wouldn't it have been a more interesting character arc if Norm died for the Na'vi cause, thus transforming from a pretentious science nerd to someone who really cares about the subjects he's helping?
Norm's Avatar got killed, yet he still went out unprotected with nothing more than a gun once back in human form. That to me was pretty cool and showed he cared for the Na'vi.
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- Jake's whole training with the Na'vi just flows very... lacksidaisically. Although in fairness, that's kinda the point. This long stretch of the movie is important because you need to invest in their culture, and it's perhaps smart on Cameron's part to present as few obstacles to that as possible.
I think keeping it simple was a good move. It allowed you to feel as though you knew the Na'vi well.
I do agree with you here. This part of the movie obviously achieved its intended audience response.
- The one dickhead Na'vi is just so over-the-top. Does he have any dimension as a character beyond "tell Jake how much he sucks"? Although, to Cameron's credit, there's the super-satisfying moment where Jake kicks his ass. The man knows how to play to an audience.
Remember when Grace was explaining him to Jake early on. She said that he and Neytiri were to become a mated pair. He saw Jake as a threat and was jealous of him. Thats my guess at least.
That aspect of the character dynamic is explained once in a line of dialog that I didn't even catch the first time I saw the movie. And when we find out Jake mated with her, it's not really explicitly mentioned that Tsu'tey's woman was taken from him. If you're gonna do that, well, okay. It's cliche and silly but I can roll with it. But commit to your character arcs.
- The chief dying when the tree comes down just felt too simple and easy. Neytiri hates him after his big revelation (cliche, but it's hard to do it any other way). None of this is bad, just meh and unsurprising.
It was expected, and he had to die at some point. Him getting killed by any weapon would have been cliche.
Why did he have to die? If he lives, you get two interesting scenes:
- When Jake rides in on the big bird, because he's an elder, he can provide more perspective on why it matters.
- He could directly pass the torch of leadership over to Jake after the final battle.
If he must die though, I'd almost rather it be to a weapon. I can't pinpoint why, but his whole death scene just bummed me out.
- Jake gets on the big bird after escaping. And this is maybe the lamest part of the movie. Jake's idea of approaching the big bird from above is actually pretty awesome. But this calls into question why he was the first one to think of it. Are we as the audience supposed to buy that?
Keep in mind, even though the Na'vi are intelligent, they are no where near as intelligent as a human. They may not have thought of it. Neytiri did say that it had happened 5 times before, maybe its just too difficult. Also, remember Neytiri said that the ikran must also choose its rider... perhaps Turok could have refused past riders, even if they managed to attack it in a manner Jake did.
What's it supposed to be though? Are the Na'vi these amazingly intelligent creatures we should idealize, or are they inferior versions of humans? Is it the Forrest Gump thing where they're not as smart but then somehow more in tune with what makes life worth living?
Then again, the Na'vi have really poor battle tactics*, so maybe it's not completely illogical.
But even so, I can't agree with you on this. Coming at the Toruk from above is a good idea, but one that a civilization thousands of years old could have figured out and been able to execute more regularly by the time of the movie. And the thing about Toruk choosing its rider doesn't fly. It's not in the movie at all from what I understand.
And I still want to know why the Na'vi immediately accept him back into their tribe. I think you can get away with this if you give the Na'vi actual flaws throughout the movie and let this be a big moment where we're forced to see that this is what their value system is, for better or for worse. But since we're supposed to think they're an idealistic species, then tell me what's idealistic about them accepting Jake because he rode a big bird.
- The whole time after thing I'm thinking "Please don't let the Na'vi lose so Pandora can then rally its animals to save itself."
Yeah.
That was to show us all that Ewa was infact real. I think that Grace was wrong in the whole planet acting like a human brain. I think the connection between everything in nature was actually Ewa. Science lead Grace to believe it worked like a brain, but she was being blinded by the science. Much like religious debates on Earth.
I don't think Ewa is real, and it's tough to believe that knowing (a) Cameron doesn't believe in any kind of deity and (b) if I understand correctly, Cameron's definition of religious fulfillment is based on being able to through your own actions and connection to life satisfy the religious urges in you. Based on that, it would seem Cameron tried to create a planet where the intelligent life (Na'vi) are able to satisfy that religious need by literally connecting to each other electronically. Cameron himself is most likely going to favor science over religion in any debate.
But putting all that aside. As a plot point in a movie, it was a cliche I knew was coming that wasn't done with any interesting layers added onto it.
- From there, I dunno. Michelle Rodriguez dies for no reason. Norm lives for no reason.
She was on the side of the Na'vi. She tried trying to help them. She knew going in that she was going to die. Remember she mentioned the martydom plan.
Why does she die except to die? I read an early draft of the script where she dies because she actually has to. In the final movie, she just does.
*Wouldn't it have been a more interesting character arc if Norm died for the Na'vi cause, thus transforming from a pretentious science nerd to someone who really cares about the subjects he's helping?
Norm's Avatar got killed, yet he still went out unprotected with nothing more than a gun once back in human form. That to me was pretty cool and showed he cared for the Na'vi.
It's certainly not bad. I just think it could be better.
*Perhaps ironically, this is in contrast to the American Indians, who knew how to disperse and hide in trees and fight guerrilla style against superior armies.
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- The chief dying when the tree comes down just felt too simple and easy. Neytiri hates him after his big revelation (cliche, but it's hard to do it any other way). None of this is bad, just meh and unsurprising.
It was expected, and he had to die at some point. Him getting killed by any weapon would have been cliche.
Uh the whole tree falling on him is incredibly cliche. If he had gotten killed by random weapon it would've been way less expected, more interesting and a bit more realistic. Or he could've not died at all for the reasons Reap stated. The other part that really bugged me about that scene is when he hands the bow to what's her face it's painfully obvious that she's going to use that to kill the General even though it wasn't going to come for another hour or so. That whole retribution thing is so stupid, lame and predictable.
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That aspect of the character dynamic is explained once in a line of dialog that I didn't even catch the first time I saw the movie. And when we find out Jake mated with her, it's not really explicitly mentioned that Tsu'tey's woman was taken from him. If you're gonna do that, well, okay. It's cliche and silly but I can roll with it. But commit to your character arcs.
I think it was kept on the down low on purpose. I wasn't meant to stand out. I think it will play more into the drama in the sequel.
Why did he have to die? If he lives, you get two interesting scenes:
- When Jake rides in on the big bird, because he's an elder, he can provide more perspective on why it matters.
- He could directly pass the torch of leadership over to Jake after the final battle.
Atukan knew that Jake still wasn't 100% a Na'vi, even though he was one of the people. Tsu'tey is the new chief. That was the plan from the beginning, again going back to what Grace said early on. I think Jake will finally become the chief in the sequel. I didn't expect Atukan to die so early in the film. I thought for sure it was going to be in the final battle.
And the thing about Toruk choosing its rider doesn't fly. It's not in the movie at all from what I understand.
Neytiri said a hunter must choose his ikran, and the ikran must also choose him. This was right before Jake selected his ikran. Trust me on this one.
And I still want to know why the Na'vi immediately accept him back into their tribe. But since we're supposed to think they're an idealistic species, then tell me what's idealistic about them accepting Jake because he rode a big bird.
Because the last time it was done, Neytiri's grandfather's grandfather rode Turok and brought the clans together in a time of great sorrow. She said that all Na'vi know this story. When seeing Jake on Turok, I believe all the Na'vi saw it as a sign from Ewa, and immediately knew what it meant. They also didn't except him back right away. Most of them seemed dumbfounded and didn't know what to make of it. It wasn't until after he made his speech that he was truly back on their side.
I don't think Ewa is real, and it's tough to believe that knowing (a) Cameron doesn't believe in any kind of deity and (b) if I understand correctly, Cameron's definition of religious fulfillment is based on being able to through your own actions and connection to life satisfy the religious urges in you. Based on that, it would seem Cameron tried to create a planet where the intelligent life (Na'vi) are able to satisfy that religious need by literally connecting to each other electronically. Cameron himself is most likely going to favor science over religion in any debate.
Cameron in life might be in favor of science on all occasions, except when it comes to making a movie that grosses two billion dollars. However, you could be right on this.
Why does she die except to die? I read an early draft of the script where she dies because she actually has to. In the final movie, she just does.
She doesn't just die. She tried taking out the main ship by shooting the hell out of the cockpit. I know it is a stretch, but it was never confirmed she died. She could have ejected or something right before the explosion and we may see a flashback to that in the sequel.
*Wouldn't it have been a more interesting character arc if Norm died for the Na'vi cause, thus transforming from a pretentious science nerd to someone who really cares about the subjects he's helping?
You also have to remember that at the end of the film when they chose to only keep a select few humans, there were several Avatars standing there holding guns. That means that the labs must still be in use and Norm and that black guy (don't know his name) are there to operate them. Again, I think this will play a big part into the sequel.
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Avatar wasn't written with a sequel in mind, and even if it was, shit has to make sense in the context of the first movie. Bad fan-wanking.
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Plus that would make one boring ass sequel. I don't really get why people are eluding to movie sequels for movies that are obviously standalone. Take District 9 for instance. The guy said "I'll see you in 3 years" at the end, big fucking deal. Suddenly everyone is pointing to that as the evidence of a sequel next to the side note that everyone was moved to District 10. What possibly could happen in a potential sequel that is interesting enough to have taken part during that time period? The main characters story is over which pretty much mean the movies story is over. I feel like moviegoers are getting exponentially more retarded.
(sorry for the little sidetrack but it was appropriate in context with Scurvy's point)
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Avatar wasn't written with a sequel in mind, and even if it was, shit has to make sense in the context of the first movie. Bad fan-wanking.
Avatar was definitely written with a sequel in mind. Cameron himself said that there are scenes in the movie that are in there for the sole purpose of the sequel. He said Pandora took too much time and money to be used only once.
Plus that would make one boring ass sequel. I don't really get why people are eluding to movie sequels for movies that are obviously standalone. Take District 9 for instance. The guy said "I'll see you in 3 years" at the end, big fucking deal. Suddenly everyone is pointing to that as the evidence of a sequel next to the side note that everyone was moved to District 10. What possibly could happen in a potential sequel that is interesting enough to have taken part during that time period? The main characters story is over which pretty much mean the movies story is over. I feel like moviegoers are getting exponentially more retarded.
(sorry for the little sidetrack but it was appropriate in context with Scurvy's point)
I don't have a scanner, but I will try and get a decent pic of the article tomorrow.
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I don't think the money is a problem anymore. He should just move on to other projects.
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He should just move on to other projects.
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That aspect of the character dynamic is explained once in a line of dialog that I didn't even catch the first time I saw the movie. And when we find out Jake mated with her, it's not really explicitly mentioned that Tsu'tey's woman was taken from him. If you're gonna do that, well, okay. It's cliche and silly but I can roll with it. But commit to your character arcs.
I think it was kept on the down low on purpose. I wasn't meant to stand out. I think it will play more into the drama in the sequel.
Why did he have to die? If he lives, you get two interesting scenes:
- When Jake rides in on the big bird, because he's an elder, he can provide more perspective on why it matters.
- He could directly pass the torch of leadership over to Jake after the final battle.
Atukan knew that Jake still wasn't 100% a Na'vi, even though he was one of the people. Tsu'tey is the new chief. That was the plan from the beginning, again going back to what Grace said early on. I think Jake will finally become the chief in the sequel. I didn't expect Atukan to die so early in the film. I thought for sure it was going to be in the final battle
Dude, how many times did you see the movie? You realize Tsu'tey died, right?
And the thing about Toruk choosing its rider doesn't fly. It's not in the movie at all from what I understand.
Neytiri said a hunter must choose his ikran, and the ikran must also choose him. This was right before Jake selected his ikran. Trust me on this one.
Ikran, not Toruk.
And I still want to know why the Na'vi immediately accept him back into their tribe. But since we're supposed to think they're an idealistic species, then tell me what's idealistic about them accepting Jake because he rode a big bird.
Because the last time it was done, Neytiri's grandfather's grandfather rode Turok and brought the clans together in a time of great sorrow. She said that all Na'vi know this story. When seeing Jake on Turok, I believe all the Na'vi saw it as a sign from Ewa, and immediately knew what it meant. They also didn't except him back right away. Most of them seemed dumbfounded and didn't know what to make of it. It wasn't until after he made his speech that he was truly back on their side.
Neytiri immediately wanted to bone him again. Tsu'tey immediately treated him with respect. And, once again, we're supposed to buy that an idealized group of people are that prone to superstition.
Again though, you do have a point. God is a good way to write yourself out of character conundrums.
Why does she die except to die? I read an early draft of the script where she dies because she actually has to. In the final movie, she just does.
She doesn't just die. She tried taking out the main ship by shooting the hell out of the cockpit. I know it is a stretch, but it was never confirmed she died. She could have ejected or something right before the explosion and we may see a flashback to that in the sequel.
Dude, no. She's dead and she died purposelessly.
*Wouldn't it have been a more interesting character arc if Norm died for the Na'vi cause, thus transforming from a pretentious science nerd to someone who really cares about the subjects he's helping?
You also have to remember that at the end of the film when they chose to only keep a select few humans, there were several Avatars standing there holding guns. That means that the labs must still be in use and Norm and that black guy (don't know his name) are there to operate them. Again, I think this will play a big part into the sequel.
Is Avatar really good movie to make a sequel to? Then again, this is Cameron, I shouldn't judge so quickly.
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Dude, how many times did you see the movie? You realize Tsu'tey died, right?
From what I understand, Tsu'tey doesn't die right away. We don't actually see him die. Just because he fell (I know he was shot as well) doesn't mean he died immediately. Jake fell from a similar height an survived. I sure we will see how it played out in either the directors cut or the sequel.
And I still want to know why the Na'vi immediately accept him back into their tribe. But since we're supposed to think they're an idealistic species, then tell me what's idealistic about them accepting Jake because he rode a big bird.
Because at that point they knew that Jake was telling the truth and was indeed on their side. Neytiri shows this when she says "I see you" By Jake taking a risk as big as catching Turok, showed the Na'vi he meant business.
Neytiri immediately wanted to bone him again. Tsu'tey immediately treated him with respect. And, once again, we're supposed to buy that an idealized group of people are that prone to superstition.
I don't think it was immediate, but it was quick. It had to be to keep the movie at a reasonable length, and to keep the flow. When he lands Turok, everyone including Tsu'tey is confused as fuck and actually look a little scarred. I think that given the circumstances, their best bet was to trust Jake at that point.
Dude, no. She's dead and she died purposelessly.
I don't understand how that is purposelessly. It's not like she accidentally flew into a floating mountain. She was defeated in a legit way.
I don't think Ewa is real, and it's tough to believe that knowing (a) Cameron doesn't believe in any kind of deity and (b) if I understand correctly, Cameron's definition of religious fulfillment is based on being able to through your own actions and connection to life satisfy the religious urges in you. Based on that, it would seem Cameron tried to create a planet where the intelligent life (Na'vi) are able to satisfy that religious need by literally connecting to each other electronically. Cameron himself is most likely going to favor science over religion in any debate.
The only thing that makes me think that Ewa must be real is the fact that Jake was able to transfer his energy from one body to the other. How else could this have been possible?
Is Avatar really good movie to make a sequel to? Then again, this is Cameron, I shouldn't judge so quickly.
If the sequel was planned with the original script (which it was), I think it will be fine. If Cameron made the movie and because of it's success forced a sequel, I would say I would be skeptical.
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Well since you'd be the best one to challenge, please tell me what in this movie that hasn't been wrapped up would possibly make for an interesting sequel in any way. And I'm talking from a good story standpoint not a "let's see how the two scientists left work with the Na'vi" standpoint cause you'd probably be the only one who would find that interesting. Not trying to dig but you seem to find Cameron's version of the South American rainforest with Native Americans a little too fascinating.
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Norm and the black guy aren't the only two humans left. All the avatars at the end of the movie holding weapons are also there in human form. The humans from Earth are going to come back for another fight. I guarantee that. The Na'vi tactics that worked the first time around will not work in the sequel. My guess is that with Jake and all the humans there, are going to humanize the Na'vi. We will teach them many human techniques that they haven't discovered yet. I'm not saying weapons like we have today, but maybe something along mid evil lines. The humans could show the Na'vi how to heat and shape metal, making armor for themselves and their ikrans. Perhaps showing them how to make catapults or trebuchet type things. Instead of relocating and moving in with another tribe, the Ometecya might choose to stay near the tree of souls. Jake and the other humans could teach them how to build structures to live in, instead of having to live in a tree.
We have only seen a small portion of Pandora. Cameron could open us up to unseen parts of the moon with all kinds of different life and possibly more intelligent species than the Na'vi.
It may be something entirely out there. Something like another alien race all together begins to attack and take over Pandora for different reasons. The Na'vi are forced into being slaves or something. The humans after some time to think feel sorry for what they did and go back to Pandora to join forces with the Na'vi.
I would also be curious to see the state of the Earth in the next movie.
The Humans were supposedly all sent back to Earth. However, the Na'vi at least from what we have seen are not capable of travelling extremely long distances. The humans could just as easily relocated to the other side of Pandora and are formulating a new plan. The Na'vi living there would have no idea. The human plan could now be something along the lines of creating an Avatar army, I'm talking thousands of avatars that move near by to the Ometecya and try to fool them all by acting and dressing like them from the start.
We saw no oceans on Pandora or anything that lives in it's oceans. I would like to see a harsh winter forcing a mass migration or something along those lines.
Sorry that wasn't a little more organized, I was just running ideas off the top of my head as they came to me.
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Are you getting black and East Indian confused, or do I just not remember the black guy? :lol
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Are you getting black and East Indian confused, or do I just not remember the black guy? :lol
The guy with the glasses that Jake told to stay behind because he needed someone on the inside he could trust.
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This guy? https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2438307/
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I think so.
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Norm and the black guy aren't the only two humans left. All the avatars at the end of the movie holding weapons are also there in human form. The humans from Earth are going to come back for another fight. I guarantee that. The Na'vi tactics that worked the first time around will not work in the sequel. My guess is that with Jake and all the humans there, are going to humanize the Na'vi. We will teach them many human techniques that they haven't discovered yet. I'm not saying weapons like we have today, but maybe something along mid evil lines. The humans could show the Na'vi how to heat and shape metal, making armor for themselves and their ikrans. Perhaps showing them how to make catapults or trebuchet type things. Instead of relocating and moving in with another tribe, the Ometecya might choose to stay near the tree of souls. Jake and the other humans could teach them how to build structures to live in, instead of having to live in a tree.
We have only seen a small portion of Pandora. Cameron could open us up to unseen parts of the moon with all kinds of different life and possibly more intelligent species than the Na'vi.
It may be something entirely out there. Something like another alien race all together begins to attack and take over Pandora for different reasons. The Na'vi are forced into being slaves or something. The humans after some time to think feel sorry for what they did and go back to Pandora to join forces with the Na'vi.
I would also be curious to see the state of the Earth in the next movie.
The Humans were supposedly all sent back to Earth. However, the Na'vi at least from what we have seen are not capable of travelling extremely long distances. The humans could just as easily relocated to the other side of Pandora and are formulating a new plan. The Na'vi living there would have no idea. The human plan could now be something along the lines of creating an Avatar army, I'm talking thousands of avatars that move near by to the Ometecya and try to fool them all by acting and dressing like them from the start.
We saw no oceans on Pandora or anything that lives in it's oceans. I would like to see a harsh winter forcing a mass migration or something along those lines.
Sorry that wasn't a little more organized, I was just running ideas off the top of my head as they came to me.
While I can see that maybe being popcorn movie entertaining none of that really jumps out as being necessary. I just don't think any of the characters in the movie were interesting enough to watch again for two and a half hours. Maybe Cameron should just move on to Aquaman.
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Dude, how many times did you see the movie? You realize Tsu'tey died, right?
From what I understand, Tsu'tey doesn't die right away. We don't actually see him die. Just because he fell (I know he was shot as well) doesn't mean he died immediately. Jake fell from a similar height an survived. I sure we will see how it played out in either the directors cut or the sequel.
The emotional tenor of the scene is obviously that Tsu'tey dies.
Tsu'tey far less ambiguously dies in an earlier draft of the script.
Tsu'tey didn't just fall, he was filled with bullet holes.
He's dead.
And I still want to know why the Na'vi immediately accept him back into their tribe. But since we're supposed to think they're an idealistic species, then tell me what's idealistic about them accepting Jake because he rode a big bird.
Because at that point they knew that Jake was telling the truth and was indeed on their side. Neytiri shows this when she says "I see you" By Jake taking a risk as big as catching Turok, showed the Na'vi he meant business.
Neytiri immediately wanted to bone him again. Tsu'tey immediately treated him with respect. And, once again, we're supposed to buy that an idealized group of people are that prone to superstition.
I don't think it was immediate, but it was quick. It had to be to keep the movie at a reasonable length, and to keep the flow. When he lands Turok, everyone including Tsu'tey is confused as fuck and actually look a little scarred. I think that given the circumstances, their best bet was to trust Jake at that point.
Did we watch the same movie?
Dude, no. She's dead and she died purposelessly.
I don't understand how that is purposelessly. It's not like she accidentally flew into a floating mountain. She was defeated in a legit way.
Movies are about character. Her death was a crappy ending for her character. I liked the original version where she sacrificed herself a lot more. It actually meant something.
I don't think Ewa is real, and it's tough to believe that knowing (a) Cameron doesn't believe in any kind of deity and (b) if I understand correctly, Cameron's definition of religious fulfillment is based on being able to through your own actions and connection to life satisfy the religious urges in you. Based on that, it would seem Cameron tried to create a planet where the intelligent life (Na'vi) are able to satisfy that religious need by literally connecting to each other electronically. Cameron himself is most likely going to favor science over religion in any debate.
The only thing that makes me think that Ewa must be real is the fact that Jake was able to transfer his energy from one body to the other. How else could this have been possible?
Look up the transhumanist movement. There are scientists trying to figure this very thing out. And I should have clarified, as the doctor explains, the planet very clearly has some kind of mind or consciousness or whatever. I'm just saying it's not a diety.
Is Avatar really good movie to make a sequel to? Then again, this is Cameron, I shouldn't judge so quickly.
If the sequel was planned with the original script (which it was), I think it will be fine. If Cameron made the movie and because of it's success forced a sequel, I would say I would be skeptical.
I just don't get it. There are certainly plots you could put into a sequel. But what's the story that needs to be told?
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Does anyone else think it is pretty likely that, in the sequel, Jake will be able to communicate with Grace using one of those special Trees?
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Plus that would make one boring ass sequel. I don't really get why people are eluding to movie sequels for movies that are obviously standalone. Take District 9 for instance. The guy said "I'll see you in 3 years" at the end, big fucking deal. Suddenly everyone is pointing to that as the evidence of a sequel next to the side note that everyone was moved to District 10. What possibly could happen in a potential sequel that is interesting enough to have taken part during that time period? The main characters story is over which pretty much mean the movies story is over. I feel like moviegoers are getting exponentially more retarded.
(sorry for the little sidetrack but it was appropriate in context with Scurvy's point)
Pretty sure Cameron already said that a sequel would not follow the same characters and would simply be set in the same world. There's no reason at all that wouldn't work.
And same with District 9, there's no reason that a sequel wouldn't work, particularly if it went in a slightly different direction.
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Plus that would make one boring ass sequel. I don't really get why people are eluding to movie sequels for movies that are obviously standalone. Take District 9 for instance. The guy said "I'll see you in 3 years" at the end, big fucking deal. Suddenly everyone is pointing to that as the evidence of a sequel next to the side note that everyone was moved to District 10. What possibly could happen in a potential sequel that is interesting enough to have taken part during that time period? The main characters story is over which pretty much mean the movies story is over. I feel like moviegoers are getting exponentially more retarded.
(sorry for the little sidetrack but it was appropriate in context with Scurvy's point)
Pretty sure Cameron already said that a sequel would not follow the same characters and would simply be set in the same world. There's no reason at all that wouldn't work.
And same with District 9, there's no reason that a sequel wouldn't work, particularly if it went in a slightly different direction.
Right, the humans could come back like 150 years later, long after Jake and Neytiri are gone. It would be cooler for me to see Pandora change more than Jake.
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Maybe the humans will feel bad and let the Na'vi build tax free casinos back on Earth.
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:lol
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Michelle character was just written very poorly. I saw an interview of her describing her role and she started to say so much things about her character and the purpose of her in the movie, all and all I was thinking, "yeah, maybe that's what the script described your character, but you sure as hell looked like an extra in that movie. You changed your mind with no apparent reason. Like I said some pages ago, that "I didn't sign for this" was the most unconvincing move the movie could take. Why did you change your mind, what gave us clues that you were actually on the good side? As I said, maybe your script and Cameron told you what the purpose of your character was, but I sure as hell didn't see anything in the movie to make me think it was plausible for your character to change her mind".
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Maybe the humans will feel bad and let the Na'vi build tax free casinos back on Earth.
:lol
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Dude, how many times did you see the movie? You realize Tsu'tey died, right?
From what I understand, Tsu'tey doesn't die right away. We don't actually see him die. Just because he fell (I know he was shot as well) doesn't mean he died immediately. Jake fell from a similar height an survived. I sure we will see how it played out in either the directors cut or the sequel.
The emotional tenor of the scene is obviously that Tsu'tey dies.
Tsu'tey far less ambiguously dies in an earlier draft of the script.
Tsu'tey didn't just fall, he was filled with bullet holes.
He's dead.
Remember when you thought I (among others) was a moron because I thought Two-Face could have survived a fall from 2 stories up? Good times. :lol
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Remember when you thought I (among others) was a moron because I thought Two-Face could have survived a fall from 2 stories up? Good times. :lol
And then I was vindicated when one of the Nolans confirmed he was dead.
Why am I seemingly the only person with the basic ability to perceive "fall + dramatic but not too dramatic music = dead."
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Maybe the humans will feel bad and let the Na'vi build tax free casinos back on Earth.
(https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8945/kaneclap.gif)
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Remember when you thought I (among others) was a moron because I thought Two-Face could have survived a fall from 2 stories up? Good times. :lol
And then I was vindicated when one of the Nolans confirmed he was dead.
Why am I seemingly the only person with the basic ability to perceive "fall + dramatic but not too dramatic music = dead."
Oh no, Tsu-tey is obviously deader than dead. I was just pointing out that the Harvey Dent thing is very sensible in comparison.
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Michelle character was just written very poorly. I saw an interview of her describing her role and she started to say so much things about her character and the purpose of her in the movie, all and all I was thinking, "yeah, maybe that's what the script described your character, but you sure as hell looked like an extra in that movie. You changed your mind with no apparent reason. Like I said some pages ago, that "I didn't sign for this" was the most unconvincing move the movie could take. Why did you change your mind, what gave us clues that you were actually on the good side? As I said, maybe your script and Cameron told you what the purpose of your character was, but I sure as hell didn't see anything in the movie to make me think it was plausible for your character to change her mind".
I agree with you but at the same time I think that´s a very generic move in many movies (and the role of the guy-on-the-other-side-that-helps-us-and-has-access-to-better-weapons too), so it didn´t bother me at all. The thing is that I never saw her as being on the evil side, from the beginning she looked like a symphatetic character that was willing to change her mind at any time.
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Oh no, Tsu-tey is obviously deader than dead. I was just pointing out that the Harvey Dent thing is very sensible in comparison.
True.
I agree with you but at the same time I think that´s a very generic move in many movies (and the role of the guy-on-the-other-side-that-helps-us-and-has-access-to-better-weapons too), so it didn´t bother me at all. The thing is that I never saw her as being on the evil side, from the beginning she looked like a symphatetic character that was willing to change her mind at any time.
I bought that she wouldn't fire on home tree with the incendiary rounds. That made enough sense. She never was that person. She flew science sorties before that mission.
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Maybe the humans will feel bad and let the Na'vi build tax free casinos back on Earth.
:lol :lol
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I agree with you but at the same time I think that´s a very generic move in many movies (and the role of the guy-on-the-other-side-that-helps-us-and-has-access-to-better-weapons too), so it didn´t bother me at all. The thing is that I never saw her as being on the evil side, from the beginning she looked like a symphatetic character that was willing to change her mind at any time.
I bought that she wouldn't fire on home tree with the incendiary rounds. That made enough sense. She never was that person. She flew science sorties before that mission.
She was the personal transport for Grace and her team for a length of time we do not know. She would spend much more time with them than just the time they flew. This can be seen when the go to the floating mountains of Pandora and she hangs out with them for the length of the missions. She knew the Na'vi better than most pilots, thanks to Grace and her team. The only thing that bugs me about the movie was why she even went with the mission to destroy home tree to begin with. She new what was going to happen. She told Grace and Jake that the gun ships were getting rolled in. If she knew she wasn't going to attack, why would she have gone in the first place?
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Dude, don't read too much into it. It was just a movie (and not a particularly great one at that). Just have fun with it and let stuff like that go. It wasn't meant to be realistic. If it was, her character development would have completely ended when instead of being free to continue to help the "good guys," she was thrown in the brig to wait for her court marshall for disobeying orders (refusing to fire on Home Tree).
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I don't think it's so unlikely that no one noticed she wasn't firing. Personally I'd be more concerned with the gigantic tree falling over in front of me.
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I don't think it's so unlikely that no one noticed she wasn't firing. Personally I'd be more concerned with the gigantic tree falling over in front of me.
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Not at all. The command ship should have been monitoring all ships and would know what they were doing. And surely they would have noticed a ship flying away from the action. But even aside from that, every round of ammunition is accounted for by the military. If her ship returned to base and logged that it had not fired, that would definitely raise a flag.
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Not at all. The command ship should have been monitoring all ships and would know what they were doing. And surely they would have noticed a ship flying away from the action. But even aside from that, every round of ammunition is accounted for by the military. If her ship returned to base and logged that it had not fired, that would definitely raise a flag.
But they are not the military, they are a private security detail. I think it's unfair to assume that they have the same strict operative regulations.
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But they are not the military, they are a private security detail. I think it's unfair to assume that they have the same strict operative regulations.
That makes zero sense. Everything we're shown about them indicates they function, for all intents and purposes, like the military.
It would have made a little more sense if she fired her weapons, but we intentionally saw her firing them away from the tree or something.
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Alright, I really don't want to debate it, let's agree to disagree.
To those who were saying that Avatar 2 would not be a continuation of the same characters: https://screenrant.com/james-cameron-talks-avatar-2-spider-man-reboot-bad-3d-ross-45795/
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk2vR8w2sjc&feature=player_embedded#
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:lolpalm:
So...are you going to move there and join?
:chino:
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk2vR8w2sjc&feature=player_embedded#
Oh dear god.
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That was hilarious. I know there's probably people out there who are really doing that though . . . and that scares me a little.
I'm curious to see if that prequel novel of Avatar comes to fruition. I know most people would argue that Avatar is more about the visuals than a story, thereby making a novel kind of moot.
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I'm curious to see if that prequel novel of Avatar comes to fruition. I know most people would argue that Avatar is more about the visuals than a story, thereby making a novel kind of moot.
I don't get this personally. Just because this film put a greater emphasis on visuals than any other film to date, does not mean that it is simply a showboat for technology. This was, to me, one of the best cinema experiences ever, and the visuals enhanced the film by totally immersing me in it's fictional world, story and characters. The visuals create the immersion, the immersion draws you into the world, and the story becomes real. That is what makes this film an amazing experience.
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I think he means that without visuals, the story of avatar might not have caught anyones attention.
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I'm curious to see if that prequel novel of Avatar comes to fruition. I know most people would argue that Avatar is more about the visuals than a story, thereby making a novel kind of moot.
I don't get this personally. Just because this film put a greater emphasis on visuals than any other film to date, does not mean that it is simply a showboat for technology. This was, to me, one of the best cinema experiences ever, and the visuals enhanced the film by totally immersing me in it's fictional world, story and characters. The visuals create the immersion, the immersion draws you into the world, and the story becomes real. That is what makes this film an amazing experience.
Perhaps. But I think the point being made is that it just isn't that compelling a plot. It is an interesting world that is fun to be immersed in, and hte technology enables that. But the story in and of itself is nothing special, so without the experience of being drawn into this neat world, it wouldn't have garnered the attention it has.
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I'm curious to see if that prequel novel of Avatar comes to fruition. I know most people would argue that Avatar is more about the visuals than a story, thereby making a novel kind of moot.
I don't get this personally. Just because this film put a greater emphasis on visuals than any other film to date, does not mean that it is simply a showboat for technology. This was, to me, one of the best cinema experiences ever, and the visuals enhanced the film by totally immersing me in it's fictional world, story and characters. The visuals create the immersion, the immersion draws you into the world, and the story becomes real. That is what makes this film an amazing experience.
Perhaps. But I think the point being made is that it just isn't that compelling a plot. It is an interesting world that is fun to be immersed in, and hte technology enables that. But the story in and of itself is nothing special, so without the experience of being drawn into this neat world, it wouldn't have garnered the attention it has.
I definitely see your point, but I think such criticisms are ultimately pointless because Avatar does exist with those visuals. One might apply the same logic to any number of things e.g. "I don't think Dream Theater would be as good without John Petrucci." Well so what? He is their guitarist and that is part of the reason people like the band.
In my personal opinion, I do not find fault with the story.
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Yes, but no one is saying "I think DT would work without JP".
You're saying that a novel of avatar would work. A novel removes the visuals, and without the visuals, avatar just isn't very interesting (from what I gather).
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Yes, but no one is saying "I think DT would work without JP".
You're saying that a novel of avatar would work. A novel removes the visuals, and without the visuals, avatar just isn't very interesting (from what I gather).
Actually I was not addressing the novel, only those criticisms about the film. I bolded the bit in his post I was refering to, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. For all I know the novel could be shit.
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
When did I say Avatar was not dependent on the visuals? ??? I only argued that I disagree that it is "more about the visuals than a story".
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
When did I say Avatar was not dependent on the visuals? ??? I only argued that I disagree that it is "more about the visuals than a story".
Well, had the story been anything with the same level of visuals, would it have succeeded?
Had the story remained the same without the visuals, would it have succeeded?
I think you'll find that without the visuals, the story would have gone largely ignored, meanwhile the story could have been anything and would have gotten attention based on the visuals alone.
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Adami, seriously, we get it. You repeating the same position over and over doesn't make it any more right. :deadhorse:
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Adami, seriously, we get it. You repeating the same position over and over doesn't make it any more right. :deadhorse:
Fine, I'll leave that to you.
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
When did I say Avatar was not dependent on the visuals? ??? I only argued that I disagree that it is "more about the visuals than a story".
Well, had the story been anything with the same level of visuals, would it have succeeded?
Had the story remained the same without the visuals, would it have succeeded?
I think you'll find that without the visuals, the story would have gone largely ignored, meanwhile the story could have been anything and would have gotten attention based on the visuals alone.
Well if I may, I will refer to my previous John Petrucci analogy.
Would another band with JP as guitarist have succeeded?
Had Dream Theater have never featured JP, would it have succeeded?
The only truthful answer I can give to those questions is I simply don't know.
In reference to the last sentence of your post, how would I go about finding that? That view is completely subjective.
You could just as easily argue that James Camerons involvement is the reason for its success.
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Forget it, appearently I'm not allowed to argue something. You win I guess.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk2vR8w2sjc&feature=player_embedded#
:whatthe:
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
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Well, do you think if avatar was just a plainly drawn cartoon it would gather the cult it has?
If not, then it is quite dependent on the visuals.
Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Damnit Chino I spent like half an hour trying to express that and you went and did it in a couple of sentences. :P
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Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Pretty much, yeah. They both had pretty good stories that didn't need spectacular visuals. Yeah, the visuals made them more popular and enhanced the experience. But, unlike Avatar, they had good stories on their own.
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Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Pretty much, yeah. They both had pretty good stories that didn't need spectacular visuals. Yeah, the visuals made them more popular and enhanced the experience. But, unlike Avatar, they had good stories on their own.
I agreed with you up until that...
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Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Pretty much, yeah. They both had pretty good stories that didn't need spectacular visuals. Yeah, the visuals made them more popular and enhanced the experience. But, unlike Avatar, they had good stories on their own.
I disagree with both of you. This proves my mental independence and sex appeal with women.
None of those movies would have been as good without the visuals. In the case of Independence Day, the story isn't that good and really only serves as a launching point for the eye-candy.
In the case of Jurassic Park and Band of Brothers, the visuals directly serve the story. They could still be okay movies without the visuals because they have good stories, but the stories rely on the visuals to make them work.
In the case of Avatar, the Cameron's credit, he didn't go off the deep end like Lucas and develop scripts with non-existent stories that serve only as platforms for the visuals. The visuals in Avatar are part of the story. But let's say the visuals in Avatar are good, but not as immersive as they currently are. Without the visual world to be immersed in, does the story still connect with people on its own merits? I somehow doubt it. And I say this as someone who thinks the story for Avatar isn't bad in spite of its flaws.
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According to 4 oscar voters, Avatar will win best picture.
Seriously? God damn.
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According to 4 oscar voters, Avatar will win best picture.
Seriously? God damn.
When in doubt, follow the money.
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Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Pretty much, yeah. They both had pretty good stories that didn't need spectacular visuals. Yeah, the visuals made them more popular and enhanced the experience. But, unlike Avatar, they had good stories on their own.
I disagree with both of you. This proves my mental independence and sex appeal with women.
None of those movies would have been as good without the visuals. In the case of Independence Day, the story isn't that good and really only serves as a launching point for the eye-candy.
In the case of Jurassic Park and Band of Brothers, the visuals directly serve the story. They could still be okay movies without the visuals because they have good stories, but the stories rely on the visuals to make them work.
In the case of Avatar, the Cameron's credit, he didn't go off the deep end like Lucas and develop scripts with non-existent stories that serve only as platforms for the visuals. The visuals in Avatar are part of the story. But let's say the visuals in Avatar are good, but not as immersive as they currently are. Without the visual world to be immersed in, does the story still connect with people on its own merits? I somehow doubt it. And I say this as someone who thinks the story for Avatar isn't bad in spite of its flaws.
I totally agree with you. The point I was trying to make was the movie itself wouldn't have been the same without the visual, but still wouldn't have sucked as much as people claim it would. I am simply saying that it wasn't a CGI fap fest.
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Would Jurassic Park been as good as it was without the visuals? How about Independence Day, or Band of Brothers? Just because amazing visuals assist in making a movie better, doesn't mean it is the only reason people like the movie.
Pretty much, yeah. They both had pretty good stories that didn't need spectacular visuals. Yeah, the visuals made them more popular and enhanced the experience. But, unlike Avatar, they had good stories on their own.
I agreed with you up until that...
Come on dude even you've got to admit the story told in Avatar is contrived as hell. I mean it's passable but it's not good.
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Come on dude even you've got to admit the story told in Avatar is contrived as hell. I mean it's passable but it's not good.
Most movie stories are contrived, that isn't a fair criticism.
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I wanted to find a nice way of saying that it's not a special snow flake or a particularly well done retelling of similar other snow flakes.
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I wanted to find a nice way of saying that it's not a special snow flake or a particularly well done retelling of similar other snow flakes.
I know what you mean. I actually think the premise is pretty good. It's how it under-delivers that bothers me. It's one thing to do a story we've seen before. It's another to do it in such a predictable way.
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According to 4 oscar voters, Avatar will win best picture.
Seriously? God damn.
The BAFTA voters were surprisingly on the ball this year. Avatar only won the awards for Production Design and Visual Effects (which it definitely deserved) and The Hurt Locker was the one that got best film, director, cinematography. It was also great seeing Up get two awards (best animated film and best music).
I really hope the Oscars get some common sense and go the same kind of way, but somehow I think it's not that likely .
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https://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/03/gay_clubs_living_room_and_disc.php#more
let's all play find chino in the pic at the bottom of the article :biggrin:
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https://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/03/gay_clubs_living_room_and_disc.php#more
let's all play find chino in the pic at the bottom of the article :biggrin:
This has inspired me to throw and Avatar party in my house.
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Wow. What a fantastic movie!
I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Avatar will be played again in IMAX and 3D this summer.
CNBC just said so.
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Wow. What a fantastic movie!
I'm pleasantly surprised.
OMG! We are in December 2009!!! :dangerwillrobinson:
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(https://i.imgur.com/FTczx.jpg)
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I only saw it once, but I recall Dances with Wolves being a pretty impressive film, although the ending felt a bit weak.
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Well it's out and the Blu-ray looks phenomenal. I only got about an hour in (a man's gotta sleep) but I was interested to see how well this movie held up without 3D . . . and you almost don't even miss it.
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So, Chino already bought like 17 copies of it, right?
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*image*
The difference between Dune and the rest of these is that Dune is good. :neverusethis:
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:lol
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Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
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Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
Well they somewhat rushed it to capitalize on Earth Day and all that, but SE is planned for November.
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Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
I wouldn't have bought it if it's only the movie.
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Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
Well they somewhat rushed it to capitalize on Earth Day and all that, but SE is planned for November.
Yeah, I'll just buy it then.
Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
I wouldn't have bought it if it's only the movie.
Yeah, but look who you're talking to....
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Picked it up on blu-ray/dvd last night. I am pissed there was no kind of special edition all the all the bonus stuff.
I wouldn't have bought it if it's only the movie.
I felt the same way, but Movie Stop's trade-in deal is actually really good, if you have some DVDs that are just sitting on your shelf.
For those who don't know how it works, you trade in 4 DVDs that are worth . . . I believe, over $4. Once you do that, you can pre-order a Blu-Ray and only have to pay a couple of bucks when it releases. The price varies but after I traded in some movies, I only had to pay $4.25 for Avatar on Blu. Definitely worth it for the reference disc that is Avatar.
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If you have 20 spare minutes.
https://seqmag.com/making-of-avatar/
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If you have 20 spare minutes.
https://seqmag.com/making-of-avatar/
Definitely looking forward to some heavy duty extras come this Christmas.
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If you have 20 spare minutes.
https://seqmag.com/making-of-avatar/
Definitely looking forward to some heavy duty extras come this Christmas.
I honestly wouldn't mind watching the entire movie in its set form....
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If you have 20 spare minutes.
https://seqmag.com/making-of-avatar/
Definitely looking forward to some heavy duty extras come this Christmas.
I honestly wouldn't mind watching the entire movie in its set form....
Likewise, although judging from that video, I wonder how many different edits they may have. Of course, you have just the sets and no CGI, then they have the real sets and actors with the mock-CGI overlapped, then just the mock-CGI (for when there were no sets). Of course, I wouldn't mind more footage from Hawaii. You can only see it a split second, but Zoe Saldana is totally decked out in some tribal garb.
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If you have 20 spare minutes.
https://seqmag.com/making-of-avatar/
Definitely looking forward to some heavy duty extras come this Christmas.
I honestly wouldn't mind watching the entire movie in its set form....
You can only see it a split second, but Zoe Saldana is totally decked out in some tribal garb.
I noticed :lol
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I drew this today.
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs312.ash1/27757_10150200413195111_515190110_12413602_3611180_n.jpg)
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Chino...
I think you have a problem.
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Looks cool, but I don't know what it is
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Chino...
I think you have a problem.
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(https://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k321/wowmd/avatarzoolander.gif)
A V A T A R
woot woot
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(https://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k321/wowmd/avatarzoolander.gif)
A V A T A R
woot woot
SO MUCH WIN
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Looks cool, but I don't know what it is
Is the back view of an ikran. I saw it on a shirt.
(https://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/img_2079crop1.jpg)
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:rollin
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
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I believe so.
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
You used walmart as an example of one of the crowning achievements of earth?
Umm...
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
- I would take a bioluminecent planet over a walmart any day.
- You could control any animal you catch...
- The Na'vi don't pay taxes.
- We have yet to see the ocean life of Pandora.
- All Pandora had was plants? FLOATING FUCKING MOUNTAINS!
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
You used walmart as an example of one of the crowning achievements of earth?
Umm...
We also have McDonalds. Suck on that.
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
You used walmart as an example of one of the crowning achievements of earth?
Umm...
:rollin
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
- I would take a bioluminecent planet over a walmart any day.
- You could control any animal you catch...
- The Na'vi don't pay taxes.
- We have yet to see the ocean life of Pandora.
- All Pandora had was plants? FLOATING FUCKING MOUNTAINS!
zzzzzzz BORING!
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- All Pandora had was plants? FLOATING FUCKING MOUNTAINS!
Floating mountains that screwed up computers.
No computer = no DTF.
You lose.
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So am I the only who thought Avatar had pretty weak FX and that Pandora was a pretty lame looking planet?
You're a lame looking planet....
At least MY planet has things like walmarts and malls. All Pandora had was some plants. Borrrrring.
You used walmart as an example of one of the crowning achievements of earth?
Umm...
We also have McDonalds. Suck on that.
gimme 20 minutes
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Avatar is my second-favourite version of Fern Gully!
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Since I clearly don't get that, care to explain the reference?
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They're Space Marines from Warhammer 40k, a tabletop/video game series.
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They're Space Marines from Warhammer 40k, a tabletop/video game series.
Ah. Thanks.
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:lol
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He sends the big red guy away after they defeat the humans, so he probably would have gone back to riding his original one. Unless it died fighting or something.
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He DOES send it away?
Doesn't Avatar end after Jake defeats the guy and then does the "soul exchange" or whatever to stay in his N'avi? Is it shown in the movie that he sends it away? I don't remember.
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Did it died?
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Bought this on blu-ray from Amazon so I could finally watch it.
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Bought this on blu-ray from Amazon so I could finally watch it.
It does look amazing in 1080p.
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He sends the big red guy away after they defeat the humans, so he probably would have gone back to riding his original one. Unless it died fighting or something.
Oh, so the fact that it was a Pandora-style one-night stand makes it okay?
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Yea, isn't the big red bird now only attached to him? So he's basically a bird polygamist.
So Pandora supports either polygamy or cheating on your mate. Either way, IT'S IMMORAL!
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So Pandora supports either polygamy or cheating on your mate. Either way, IT'S IMMORAL!
Pandora: it's the new Utah.
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So Pandora supports either polygamy or cheating on your mate. Either way, IT'S IMMORAL!
Pandora: it's the new Utah.
There you go Chino, somewhere you can go and find peace.
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He sends the big red guy away after they defeat the humans, so he probably would have gone back to riding his original one. Unless it died fighting or something.
Oh, so the fact that it was a Pandora-style one-night stand makes it okay?
Next time a bunch of aliens try to take over your planet, you can be the judge of what is and isn't acceptable to help unify the people in retaliation.
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I thought watching Avatar was like staring into a streetlight for 2 hours. No subtlety at all, but that's jot new with CGI movies.
rumborak
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Removed the "spoiler" warning from the thread title.
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He sends the big red guy away after they defeat the humans, so he probably would have gone back to riding his original one. Unless it died fighting or something.
Oh, so the fact that it was a Pandora-style one-night stand makes it okay?
Next time a bunch of aliens try to take over your planet, you can be the judge of what is and isn't acceptable to help unify the people in retaliation.
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I'm still confused as to why the big bad humans felt the need to start some massive (and clearly bloody) ground war with the Navi. If they have the capability for interstellar travel I'm sure they have the ability to bomb the living shit out of any target from orbit.
Oh wait, there wouldn't be a movie if they did that.
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I'm still confused as to why the big bad humans felt the need to start some massive (and clearly bloody) ground war with the Navi. If they have the capability for interstellar travel I'm sure they have the ability to bomb the living shit out of any target from orbit.
Oh wait, there wouldn't be a movie if they did that.
Maybe it would have harmed the unobtanium or whatever, maybe then they could renamed it nonexistium.
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Bombing the shit out of the planet would destroy the Untfkjhghlkjhj;lkjnium though...
EDIT: Ninja'd.
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Maybem, though I'm not saying you need to turn the planet into a crater, but it's way safer to take out the hometree with a few missiles from space then some massive frontal assault. Either way, the unobtanium is just a rock, and it has to be mined out anyways, so I'm assuming it would be OK as it's in the ground already. And if not, there's always chemical weapons or napalm. It just seems very nonsensical that their only option was to try to fight on such skewed terms like that.
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Still haven't seen this movie. But something called unobtanium is pretty lame.
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Maybem, though I'm not saying you need to turn the planet into a crater, but it's way safer to take out the hometree with a few missiles from space then some massive frontal assault. Either way, the unobtanium is just a rock, and it has to be mined out anyways, so I'm assuming it would be OK as it's in the ground already. And if not, there's always chemical weapons or napalm. It just seems very nonsensical that their only option was to try to fight on such skewed terms like that.
The guys in charge loved fighting. They probably did it for that reason. It was probably more about fighting for them than it was getting the job done.
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I'm still confused as to why the big bad humans felt the need to start some massive (and clearly bloody) ground war with the Navi. If they have the capability for interstellar travel I'm sure they have the ability to bomb the living shit out of any target from orbit.
Oh wait, there wouldn't be a movie if they did that.
Pandora is a six year journey away from Earth, and most likely an expensive one. The RDA corporation probably figured the largest scale military operation they'd have to execute was something like the attack on Hometree. If you're not planning on conducting an orbital bombardment, why spend the money shipping the material light years away?
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He sends the big red guy away after they defeat the humans, so he probably would have gone back to riding his original one. Unless it died fighting or something.
Oh, so the fact that it was a Pandora-style one-night stand makes it okay?
Next time a bunch of aliens try to take over your planet, you can be the judge of what is and isn't acceptable to help unify the people in retaliation.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/dimitrius21/internet_serious_business.jpg)
I never knew I was a ninja. Or that bosk was a little asian girl.
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Still haven't seen this movie. But something called unobtanium is pretty lame.
As lame as it may sound, isn't it just a scientific term?
EDIT: Well, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtanium
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Still haven't seen this movie. But something called unobtanium is pretty lame.
As lame as it may sound, isn't it just a scientific term?
EDIT: Well, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtanium
It's not a scientific term, it's just a placeholder name whenever you're talking about some nonexistent element. I guess it kind of makes sense that when humans did discover it they'd call it that, as if I remember it correctly the unobtanium in Avatar is a room temperatute superconducter, which is basically be a holy grail in modern physics.
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I meant that it's an existing term, and it's being used in (real) science. How dull the term may sound, we're using it.
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it's being used in (real) science.
Not really.
The concept of unobtainium is often applied flippantly or humorously
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Still haven't seen this movie. But something called unobtanium is pretty lame.
As lame as it may sound, isn't it just a scientific term?
EDIT: Well, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtanium
It's not a scientific term, it's just a placeholder name whenever you're talking about some nonexistent element. I guess it kind of makes sense that when humans did discover it they'd call it that, as if I remember it correctly the unobtanium in Avatar is a room temperatute superconducter, which is basically be a holy grail in modern physics.
That's cool. I was wondering why the hell is was supposed to cost so much.
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https://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtanium
They never really talked about it in the movie, which is unfortunate because the fact that it's so necessary for Earth's survival very much changes the light in which the human characters are cast.
And just saw this:
the substance found on Pandora was a stable quasi-crystal with its atoms arranged in a never-repeating but orderly pattern with fivefold symmetry. This structure was not only structurally rugged...
Yep, just bomb the shit out the place from orbit and take it.
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Unobtanium can also go to the center of the earth and back without melting.
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https://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtanium
They never really talked about it in the movie, which is unfortunate because the fact that it's so necessary for Earth's survival very much changes the light in which the human characters are cast.
And just saw this:
the substance found on Pandora was a stable quasi-crystal with its atoms arranged in a never-repeating but orderly pattern with fivefold symmetry. This structure was not only structurally rugged...
Yep, just bomb the shit out the place from orbit and take it.
Cameron greatly hurt the quality of the film by taking away the motivation for RDA corp. In the scriptment, there's an early scene where the Colonel and CEO talk about how more people are dying and they're running out of ammunition. Also, there's a group of scenes cut out early showing how Earth has become one giant run-down super city. Not only do we understand slightly more why Jake falls in love with the forest, but why humanity so desperately wants (maybe needs) Unobtanium. Instead of "Evil CEO wants money," a couple more sentences could have explained that Unobtainium would solve the Earth's power problems.
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https://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtanium
They never really talked about it in the movie, which is unfortunate because the fact that it's so necessary for Earth's survival very much changes the light in which the human characters are cast.
And just saw this:
the substance found on Pandora was a stable quasi-crystal with its atoms arranged in a never-repeating but orderly pattern with fivefold symmetry. This structure was not only structurally rugged...
Yep, just bomb the shit out the place from orbit and take it.
Cameron greatly hurt the quality of the film by taking away the motivation for RDA corp. In the scriptment, there's an early scene where the Colonel and CEO talk about how more people are dying and they're running out of ammunition. Also, there's a group of scenes cut out early showing how Earth has become one giant run-down super city. Not only do we understand slightly more why Jake falls in love with the forest, but why humanity so desperately wants (maybe needs) Unobtanium.
Yea....but flying lizards!
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https://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtanium
They never really talked about it in the movie, which is unfortunate because the fact that it's so necessary for Earth's survival very much changes the light in which the human characters are cast.
And just saw this:
the substance found on Pandora was a stable quasi-crystal with its atoms arranged in a never-repeating but orderly pattern with fivefold symmetry. This structure was not only structurally rugged...
Yep, just bomb the shit out the place from orbit and take it.
Cameron greatly hurt the quality of the film by taking away the motivation for RDA corp. In the scriptment, there's an early scene where the Colonel and CEO talk about how more people are dying and they're running out of ammunition. Also, there's a group of scenes cut out early showing how Earth has become one giant run-down super city. Not only do we understand slightly more why Jake falls in love with the forest, but why humanity so desperately wants (maybe needs) Unobtanium.
Yea....but Navi sex!
Fixd
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Yea....but flying lizards!
Heh. And in fairness to Cameron, apparently it was unnecessary to provide motivation for Jake wanting to live on Pandora. The entire audience wanted to go to there too because it looked pretty.
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Yea....but flying lizards!
Heh. And in fairness to Cameron, apparently it was unnecessary to provide motivation for Jake wanting to live on Pandora. The entire audience wanted to go to there too because it looked pretty.
The entire movie lacked motivation for any characters. It was basically a really pretty movie with a good amount of unmotivated action. Had the movie spent more time explaining WHY the characters were they were and had us sympathize with even the worst of them, instead of just showing us as many plants and animals as possible, it would have been a lot better.
Hell, maybe this would have worked better split into two movies, one being about the motivaton, the other being about the fight.
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Yea....but flying lizards!
Heh. And in fairness to Cameron, apparently it was unnecessary to provide motivation for Jake wanting to live on Pandora. The entire audience wanted to go to there too because it looked pretty.
The entire movie lacked motivation for any characters. It was basically a really pretty movie with a good amount of unmotivated action. Had the movie spent more time explaining WHY the characters were they were and had us sympathize with even the worst of them, instead of just showing us as many plants and animals as possible, it would have been a lot better.
Hell, maybe this would have worked better split into two movies, one being about the motivaton, the other being about the fight.
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't back any opinion, but I don't think it merits any "would have worked better" scenario, considering its box office performance.
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Still Adami is right, there was hardly any explanation at all. Even though it made all that money at the box office the lack of backstory made it a really high budget popcorn flick instead of what could've been a really interesting movie. The reason it made so much money was a) it was hyped to shit and b) "omg Cameron".
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well, and the realistic CGI.
rumborak
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Yea....but flying lizards!
Heh. And in fairness to Cameron, apparently it was unnecessary to provide motivation for Jake wanting to live on Pandora. The entire audience wanted to go to there too because it looked pretty.
The entire movie lacked motivation for any characters. It was basically a really pretty movie with a good amount of unmotivated action. Had the movie spent more time explaining WHY the characters were they were and had us sympathize with even the worst of them, instead of just showing us as many plants and animals as possible, it would have been a lot better.
Hell, maybe this would have worked better split into two movies, one being about the motivaton, the other being about the fight.
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't back any opinion, but I don't think it merits any "would have worked better" scenario, considering its box office performance.
How much money it makes is from people who like seeing entertaining movies. It doesn't speak to the goodness of the movie at all. Bad movies often make tons of money.
EDIT: Also, if we're gonna base how a good a movie is on how popular it is, then Titanic is the best movie ever made.
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How much money it makes is from people who like seeing entertaining movies. It doesn't speak to the goodness of the movie at all. Bad movies often make tons of money.
Are you suggesting that correlation implies causation?
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How much money it makes is from people who like seeing entertaining movies. It doesn't speak to the goodness of the movie at all. Bad movies often make tons of money.
Are you suggesting that correlation implies causation?
When did I suggest that? Guitarded implied that because the movie made tons of money, there's no reason to think it could have been better. Or something, maybe I missed his point.
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How much money it makes is from people who like seeing entertaining movies. It doesn't speak to the goodness of the movie at all. Bad movies often make tons of money.
Are you suggesting that correlation implies causation?
When did I suggest that? Guitarded implied that because the movie made tons of money, there's no reason to think it could have been better. Or something, maybe I missed his point.
It just seemed like you contradicted yourself, saying financial success does not speak to a films quality, but films that endeavour to make a lot of money are normally of lower quality. My perspective it is impossible to say there is a correlation between film quality and finanical success, it depends on each film independently.
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Oh no, you got the first part right, but not the second. I didn't say that films that try make a lot of money are of low quality. I just simply meant that a films quality can not be measured by its success.
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I am in love....
(https://www.members.optusnet.com.au/blueskin/navi006.jpg)
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I'm guessing if you saw the original picture you wouldn't be aroused?
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I think it's time for you to seek help Chino.
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I am in love....
(https://www.members.optusnet.com.au/blueskin/navi006.jpg)
I dunno about love, but get rid of the lame costume crap and I'd bang it hard.
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Mine is a picture of Matt Smith.
Just call me "Hilarity Bob."
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Yeah, I'll take the non-blue girl kthnx
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Those are ridiculously huge.
That said, her face is completely enchanting. Mesmerising. They'd be too big if she weren't really hot anyway. Heck, they still almost are too big. And I'm a boobs man.
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The entire movie lacked motivation for any characters. It was basically a really pretty movie with a good amount of unmotivated action. Had the movie spent more time explaining WHY the characters were they were and had us sympathize with even the worst of them, instead of just showing us as many plants and animals as possible, it would have been a lot better.
If they'd provided some proper motivation, which really wouldn't have been that difficult, I probably wouldn't have hated this movie nearly as much as I did. Hell, done properly, it possibly could have even bumped it up all the way to 'indifferent' for me.
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Yeah, I'll take the non-blue girl kthnx
Yes, that's a damn improvement.
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Too big.
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Too big.
Yep, or close to it. I think I'm with rob on this one.
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To be honest, I'm not fussed either way.
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This thread is mildly racist. lol
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Too big.
They're not ideal, but I'd still hit it harder than the humans hit pandora.
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:lol
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Too big.
They're not ideal, but I'd still hit it harder than the humans hit pandora.
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Too big.
They're not ideal, but I'd still hit it harder than the humans hit pandora.
So, really hard for a few seconds until she pulls out a strap on?
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https://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unobtanium
They never really talked about it in the movie, which is unfortunate because the fact that it's so necessary for Earth's survival very much changes the light in which the human characters are cast.
That's true. I liked District 9 better than Avatar because you could at least sense why the humans wanted the aliens out of there. It wasn't just "get the aliens out of here arghghehghgh!" There was some sort of backdrop to the story to follow.
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Too big.
Naw.
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Sorry to break your fascinating conversation :P but I actually went to the cinema (only one is still playing it) today to see it...
I've heard very mixed opinions so I didn't know what to expect, and putting it short - I really liked it. It's definitely impressive in terms of how it looks (the whole world is indeed incredibly beautiful, despite being dangerous), and I don't think I need to elaborate much here, in fact I guess I would fail miserably if I tried to. However, I also really liked the storyline. Sure, it's not the most original or revolutionary idea ever, but the way it's in Avatar is just great - I also really liked the whole idea of the main character, for some reason I could immediately understand his actions.
There were some parts which definitely felt naive to me, but well, no matter. It was definitely a great experience and I don't regret the over two hours spent watching it at all. :)
[And I hope I won't start a tornado, but I can't understand people claiming Avatar is stupid and flat, at the same time worshipping Dark Knight for being deep and philosophical...]
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I haven't heard anyone call The Dark Night deep or philosophical, but it was a far more interesting and better written movie than Avatar.
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I haven't heard anyone call The Dark Night deep or philosophical, but it was a far more interesting and better written movie than Avatar.
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And actually had characters with more than one dimension.
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More like 23567 different dimensions with all of them made of plastic and then bloated to an unbelievable (and unnecessary) size.
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Huh?
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Shortened to one word: pretentious. Avatar at least doesn't pretend to be incredibly deep, it just has a fairly simple idea executed exceptionally well.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious. The fact that you think TDK was trying to be deep is something you've labeled it because you weren't a fan, not something that's actually part of the movie. And it's not hard to execute Avatar's idea because it's already been done many times before. That alone made the whole thing pretty boring.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it pretentious. The fact that you think TDK was trying to be deep is something you've labeled it because you weren't a fan, not something that's actually part of the movie. And it's not hard to execute Avatar's idea because it's already been done many times before. That alone made the whole thing pretty boring.
I take issue with the fact that you think you know his opinion better than he does. His perspective is completely valid whether you agree with it or not, so don't try to claim he has made a misunderstanding in reaching this conclusion.
I haven't heard anyone call The Dark Night deep or philosophical
I have.
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I still don't know where this idea that TDK was trying to be deep is coming from.
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I just based that off how he has argued things in the past.
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I still don't know where this idea that TDK was trying to be deep is coming from.
Compared to Avatar, it's deep. Compared to Avatar, a puddle is deep.
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I just based that off how he has argued things in the past.
I don't see how that changes that you think he can't legitimately think that TDK was pretentious, and it's only because he doesn't like it.
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I still don't know where this idea that TDK was trying to be deep is coming from.
Compared to Avatar, it's deep. Compared to Avatar, a puddle is deep.
If we are still talking about deep in the philosophical sense (as it was being used in Darkes7 post) then Avatar has plenty of philosophical themes throughout. It is hard for me to make this comparison between TDK and Avatar though.
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Having a philosophical implication doesn't make it deep. Or else Clueless and High School Musical are deep.
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I don't think TDK is that "deep", much more of a really well told story with interesting dialogues.
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Having a philosophical implication doesn't make it deep. Or else Clueless and High School Musical are deep.
Then please tell me how you are defining "deep" with regards to films.
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Having a philosophical implication doesn't make it deep. Or else Clueless and High School Musical are deep.
Then please tell me how you are defining "deep" with regards to films.
Something that provokes intense thought and reflection based on either emotional or intellectual lingerings of the story.
Avatar didn't do that. I'm not claiming TDK was that deep or anything by the way, so don't confuse that.
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A movie which has the main hero discussing with the main evil character about good and evil, lots of lines such as "in the past the evil had rules", and an ending which sounds like it's trying to be a new book of the Bible definitely counts as trying to be philosophical. And it was trying way too hard.
I know the comparison may be weird genre-wise, but both are films which have had a huge impact, and one praised for being deep and whatever when it's unexpected, and the other one is criticised for the opposite reason. I just wanted it to be a side comment, but it seems to have evolved...
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Wait, in which movie did someone say "in the past the evil had rules"? I don't remember such a bad line in either movie. Also, which movie tried to be the new bible? I must have missed that in either as well.
Unless you're talking about Dogma by Kevin Smith, in which case it should be in the bible.
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It's not an exact quote but something along these lines. I don't know The Dark Knight by heart.
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It's not an exact quote but something along these lines. I don't know The Dark Knight by heart.
I think you're reffering to The Joker and whoever the crime boss is telling Batman that he has rules.
Dunno how that's deep or anything though.
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You have a talent for pulling details out of a longer post and ignoring the whole context.
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You have a talent for pulling details out of a longer post and ignoring the whole context.
I quoted your entire post.
All you said before is that lots of people praised TDK for being super deep and philosophical and backed it up with "I dunno, I heard it somewhere". Sorry for not making a great retort to that.
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Having a philosophical implication doesn't make it deep. Or else Clueless and High School Musical are deep.
Then please tell me how you are defining "deep" with regards to films.
Something that provokes intense thought and reflection based on either emotional or intellectual lingerings of the story.
Avatar didn't do that. I'm not claiming TDK was that deep or anything by the way, so don't confuse that.
By your definition, I would consider Avatar to be deep.
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Having a philosophical implication doesn't make it deep. Or else Clueless and High School Musical are deep.
Then please tell me how you are defining "deep" with regards to films.
Something that provokes intense thought and reflection based on either emotional or intellectual lingerings of the story.
Avatar didn't do that. I'm not claiming TDK was that deep or anything by the way, so don't confuse that.
By your definition, I would consider Avatar to be deep.
Mean people do mean things to other not mean people for reasons that aren't clearly explain in the movie itself (other than greed). And the not mean people really love nature. Except, really, since all life is apparently connect through the planet's life force or whatever the hell it was, everything on the planet is really part of some kind of hive colony. So, in effect, their love (and even worship, from what I remember) for nature is just love/worthip for themselves and they are actually the universe's biggest narcissists.
Ok, I guess there's some depth there if you go looking for it.
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Fair enough. I have no need to make you guys think the way I do. I own the movie, I enjoyed it. I'm very happy you enjoyed it as well, even more so than myself. However no where near as much as chino.
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Also, just to make peace with everyone here.
(https://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8295/26708601221.jpg)
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Mmmmmm, boobs.
Boobs have the ability to solve all of man's problems.
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The only reason I enjoyed TDK was because Heath Ledger was a pleasure to watch at the top of his game. The only reason I don't like Avatar is because its delivery of plot and some of the plot devices it uses makes it difficult for me to enjoy. Basically, if I can watch a movie and say to myself, "Even I wouldn't have made that mistake," it's difficult for me to enjoy the movie on its own merits. The way I explain it may sound pretentious, but if an amateur writer like me could avoid Unobtainium when a screenwriter with many years of experience did it anyway, it's frustrating. Also the way it's introduced into the film feels very amateurish. I guess to me it's just annoying when professionals produce scripts that play out unprofessionally.
Wow, that still sounds pretentious. Does anyone here understand what I'm trying to say? :p
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As lame as unobtanium sounds, it actually kinda makes sense. Currently it's used to describe a non-existent element, much like the 'philospher's stone'. If humanity ever were to discover something like the substance in Avatar, it's not terribly surprising that it would be called that, at least colloquially.
Though on a broader level, I know exactly what you mean.
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I got the feeling since the beginning there's no reason to focus on the unobtanium, it's just a base for more important issues.
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I got the feeling since the beginning there's no reason to focus on the unobtanium, it's just a base for more important issues.
But you can't ignore the base of the entire movie.
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Yes calling it unobtainium is stupid, but it didn't bother me as much as how they introduced it. It was basically, "Oh, our viewers don't know why we're even here, so let me introduce it to you so that they can understand," if you get what I mean. Also, I LOVE Sigourney Weaver, but the character they gave her was so annoyingly cliche. Her line "Where's my cigarette?" was basically like telling the viewers, "And this is the token pissed off female scientist we're using as our politically correct 'tough' woman."
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I got the feeling since the beginning there's no reason to focus on the unobtanium, it's just a base for more important issues.
But you can't ignore the base of the entire movie.
I think you will have (if you already don't) lots of trouble with many, many books and movies.
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I got the feeling since the beginning there's no reason to focus on the unobtanium, it's just a base for more important issues.
But you can't ignore the base of the entire movie.
I think you will have (if you already don't) lots of trouble with many, many books and movies.
Many books and movies are heavily flawed.
As I have stated several times, I ENJOYED AVATAR. I just won't put it up to the level that many of you have. If the movie was simply a cartoon instead of a CGI movie, it would have been overlooked and ignored.
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I got the feeling since the beginning there's no reason to focus on the unobtanium, it's just a base for more important issues.
But you can't ignore the base of the entire movie.
I think you will have (if you already don't) lots of trouble with many, many books and movies.
That's not really an answer to what he said.
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As I have stated several times, I ENJOYED AVATAR. I just won't put it up to the level that many of you have. If the movie was simply a cartoon instead of a CGI movie, it would have been overlooked and ignored.
What I meant is that often there is a very simple problem which isn't important in itself, what's important is something more metaphorical that's constructed upon it.
I don't put it up to any really high level - I'm impressed with the visual side just like everyone, and I also really like that it's not just a visual effects show-off, but also has a nice, even if not revolutionary, storyline, that can actually cause some reflection.
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What important metaphors were built upon it? The bad guys wanted it, the good guys wanted to save nature. It was very very black and white. The good guys were 100% good, the bad guys were 100% bad.
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In theory. I find it a definite reference to many historical (from centuries ago, to years ago - like the colonisation of America) events. And the whole thing is to consider if really technological progress is the only thing that matters and always the most important thing to follow.
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In theory. I find it a definite reference to many historical (from centuries ago, to years ago - like the colonisation of America) events. And the whole thing is to consider if really technological progress is the only thing that matters and always the most important thing to follow.
There was nothing metaphorical about that, it was pretty damn blatant. It's like saying "Mallrats" was deep and metaphorical because it asks the question of whether or not pride should overcome compassion and the need for coexistence.
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We need a thread where Adami takes movies and explains "hidden" meanings and messages in them.
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"and the two cultures resolve their differences."
Avatar 2 is going to resolves their differences with nukes.
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Avatar 2: Nuclear Armagedon Explosion, A Film By Michael Bay.
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I might actually pay money to see that. :lol
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that never ceases to amuse me :lol
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So, I had a day off today.....
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You need help Chino.
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God damnit chino.
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Dammit Chino, living in Watertown must be fucking with your head.
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Thread has been won.
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I don't see how what Chino is doing, is any different from other nerds putting Star Wars figures around their room
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Generally even if you do have Star Wars action figures you don't make a diorama with them in an aquarium.
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I don't see how what Chino is doing, is any different from other nerds putting Star Wars figures around their room
Star Wars is 1000000x cooler and the figures do not look that gay?
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Generally even if you do have Star Wars action figures you don't make a diorama with them in an aquarium.
Well....
good point :lol
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I don't see how what Chino is doing, is any different from other nerds putting Star Wars figures around their room
Avatar is a movie. Star Wars is a religion. There's a difference. It's the same reason everyone can make fun of Tom Cruise but only a few people make fun of Jesus.
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You need help Chino.
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There's no difference between being obsessed with Star Wars and being obsessed with Avatar.
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There's no difference between being obsessed with Star Wars and being obsessed with Avatar.
I'm not a fan of either, but I do see a difference. Star Wars has a much larger following, more parts to it, and has a big nostalgia factor for a lot of people.
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"Tell you what this aquarium needs? Blue hippies."
So, I had a day off today.....
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Is this one meant to be playing the drums?
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I don't see how what Chino is doing, is any different from other nerds putting Star Wars figures around their room
You're right. Both are pathetic.
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Chino, I think that's awesome. It'll be especially cool if you have fish in there :tup
Keep it up :D
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You are all so mean.
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There's no difference between being obsessed with Star Wars and being obsessed with Avatar.
I'm not a fan of either, but I do see a difference. Star Wars has a much larger following, more parts to it, and has a big nostalgia factor for a lot of people.
you realize that Avatar has only been out for like 7 months....
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There's no difference between being obsessed with Star Wars and being obsessed with Avatar.
I'm not a fan of either, but I do see a difference. Star Wars has a much larger following, more parts to it, and has a big nostalgia factor for a lot of people.
you realize that Avatar has only been out for like 7 months....
Exactly my point, I don't see where you are disagreeing with me?
Seriously though, that would be cool if you put fish in it with some cool lights n' stuff.
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
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There's no difference between being obsessed with Star Wars and being obsessed with Avatar.
I'm not a fan of either, but I do see a difference. Star Wars has a much larger following, more parts to it, and has a big nostalgia factor for a lot of people.
you realize that Avatar has only been out for like 7 months....
What the hell, man? I'm disappointed you didn't post the exact amount of days, minutes, hours and seconds!
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
That's probably not the best idea.
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
Tropical fish indigenous to Pandora, I hope.
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Avatar was fun, but something tells me its legacy will not be as enduring as that of Star Wars.
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Avatar was fun, but something tells me its legacy will not be as enduring as that of Star Wars.
Most people I know don't care for Star Wars.
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I do. It had an obvious message, cliche characters, cliche dialog, and a plot that was essentially "Disney's Pocahontas in Space." It was visually stunning, though, so it's kind of like a turd wrapped in bacon.
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*raises hand*
Granted, I saw it on a computer screen in poor quality so I couldn't even appreciate the visual fidelity.
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You have NO idea.
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From the other thread but can't be posted enough:
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I love the IMHO at the end :lol
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I thought it was a rather uninspired pile of shit.
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I did! Some of the visuals were amazing, but other than that it didn't make up for a boring storyling, boring characters/love story and dragged out plot
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I haven't seen it still. With all the ridiculous amount of hype about it, it would be nothing other than disappointing.
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I had no idea my opinion was so popular. For months people have been telling me to see Avatar and when I finally did I wanted those 2 hours back.
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Also, inb4 Chino rage.
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:facepalm:
I didn't realize there was a thread about Avatar already on the frontpage. Whoops!
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I really enjoyed it both on the visual level and the story. Sure, it's simple and fairly one-dimensional, but it's just done very well and with a kind of finesse.
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LOLDARKES
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LOLDARKES
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>Sure, it's simple and fairly one-dimensional, but it's just done very well and with a kind of finesse.
>but it's just done very well and with a kind of finesse
>but it's just done very well
>done very well
>the story
lulzno
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Ah, get the hell out. :lol
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Its way too predictable as well. I figured out what was going to happen soon after the oopening credits rolled
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
That's probably not the best idea.
Why?
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*waits for Chino*
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Ah, get the hell out. :lol
If a story is going to be considered well done, it can't be so predictable to the point where I know exactly how shit is going to go down 2 hours later into the film. Nothing about it kept me interested and wanting to know what would happen next.
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The amount of hatred for it is way over the top.
I saw it, and found it highly enjoyable. If you were expecting something deep and profound and so were disappointed by a fun fantasy action flick then that's kinda your own fault really. The story was cliche (literally a cross between Pocahontas and Fern Gully... I kept waiting to hear Tim Curry singing!) and the dialogue was occasionally iffy, but there were some nice lines, lots of good acting, nice characters and great visuals. Not a great film by any means, but there's still plenty to like.
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Ah, get the hell out. :lol
If a story is going to be considered well done, it can't be so predictable to the point where I know exactly how shit is going to go down 2 hours later into the film. Nothing about it kept me interested and wanting to know what would happen next.
Well, it was predictable, but I think you're seriously exaggerating it. Plus, I think it's obvious it wasn't trying to be the most shocking and unpredictable film ever created. Quite the opposite, the point was to get an important point across with simple means, and well, it works. And still, you have the message beneath the storyline and not the other way around like in some otherthedarkknight more praised examples.
EDIT: Oh, thanks for support ariich. :)
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Oh by the way, the whole "I knew exactly what was going to happen" thing is BS. For example, whether a couple of the main characters lived or died at the end could easily have gone one way or the other. Either way has been done plenty of times before, so whichever they had gone for, cynics will say "I KNEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN LOL".
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It didn't suck, but it certainly did not deserve all the praise it received.
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Ah, get the hell out. :lol
If a story is going to be considered well done, it can't be so predictable to the point where I know exactly how shit is going to go down 2 hours later into the film. Nothing about it kept me interested and wanting to know what would happen next.
Well, it was predictable, but I think you're seriously exaggerating it. Plus, I think it's obvious it wasn't trying to be the most shocking and unpredictable film ever created. Quite the opposite, the point was to get an important point across with simple means, and well, it works. And still, you have the message beneath the storyline and not the other way around like in some otherthedarkknight more praised examples.
I'm not saying it needed to be like The Prestige in terms of story telling and screenplay writing, but what I am saying is that there is a problem when I could predict the climax of the film 20 minutes into it.
And as for the film as a whole, beyond the visuals, I felt the movie to just be plain boring. I don't like most action flicks. They bore the fuck out of me. If I am going to watch a film, I feel as if there should be something I should be getting out of it, like plenty of people do with reading books. Avatar had this message I've already seen in so many other films, thus causing me to not give a shit about it's "deeper meaning" or theme.
Oh by the way, the whole "I knew exactly what was going to happen" thing is BS. For example, whether a couple of the main characters lived or died at the end could easily have gone one way or the other. Either way has been done plenty of times before, so whichever they had gone for, cynics will say "I KNEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN LOL".
I completely disagree. The second they brought up that whole "Only one person could tame this king dragon creature thing herply derpity", I immediately pointed out "Jake Sully's plot is going to revolve around that beast sometime later in the film, and it's going to prove he is the so called 'hero' of the Na'vi people".
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If you don't like action films, then you can hardly give a reasonable un-biased opinion can you? :P
Yeah of course Jake was going to be the one to tame the creature, why would you expect anything else? It didn't pretend to be anything clever or intricate, it was a fun action blockbuster. If you don't usually like those kinds of film then why bother going to see it in the first place? :lol
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It didn't suck, but it certainly did not deserve all the praise it received.
This. Just a fun film with amazing visuals.
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This "fun action film" was nominated for Best Picture and hyped as one of the greatest movies of all time, so you can understand where the dissonance in this thread comes from, can't you? Plus it wasn't just a "fun action film"; it had a message which it shoved down your throat the whole time, and it wasn't at all conscious of the fact that that message was an obvious one that had been told a million times before. It did indeed try to be clever and intricate, and failed.
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Oh. That's out of my hands. I saw it, enjoyed it, and carried on.
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The amount of hatred for it is way over the top.
I saw it, and found it highly enjoyable. If you were expecting something deep and profound and so were disappointed by a fun fantasy action flick then that's kinda your own fault really. The story was cliche (literally a cross between Pocahontas and Fern Gully... I kept waiting to hear Tim Curry singing!) and the dialogue was occasionally iffy, but there were some nice lines, lots of good acting, nice characters and great visuals. Not a great film by any means, but there's still plenty to like.
This.
Oh, and we already have an Avatar thread.
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This "fun action film" was nominated for Best Picture and hyped as one of the greatest movies of all time, so you can understand where the dissonance in this thread comes from, can't you? Plus it wasn't just a "fun action film"; it had a message which it shoved down your throat the whole time, and it wasn't at all conscious of the fact that that message was an obvious one that had been told a million times before. It did indeed try to be clever and intricate, and failed.
Obviously it was way overhyped and didn't deserve most of the nominations it got. Fortunately at both the Oscars and the BAFTAs, those responsible for deciding on the winners were perfectly aware of that and it only won the awards it deserved (i.e. the technical ones).
But as far as I'm concerned, my opinion has nothing to do with how hyped something is, or what anyone else thinks. I watch it and make a judgement purely based on the film itself. So to me, something being overhyped is a bit of a silly reason to like or dislike something (and I'm sure it's happened the other way as well, where people's outright love of the film is in part due to the hype).
In terms of the film itself, obviously some people will like it and others won't, fair enough. But I disagree that the makers weren't aware that it was an obvious message; of course they were, they weren't trying to tell a new story or put across any hugely profound message. They were arguably being lazy when making the film, but to me it seemed pretty obvious that they went with a story and message that had been done before so that the focus would be far more on the effects and general atmosphere of the film.
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If you don't like action films, then you can hardly give a reasonable un-biased opinion can you? :P
Yeah of course Jake was going to be the one to tame the creature, why would you expect anything else? It didn't pretend to be anything clever or intricate, it was a fun action blockbuster. If you don't usually like those kinds of film then why bother going to see it in the first place? :lol
To answer your first question, well yes, for the most part. Though, there are a good handful of action films that I have enjoyed quite a bit. Like Planet Terror. On the outside, it's just a faux grindhouse film. Under the surface, it's a brilliantly made film forged to look like an old grindhouse film, from the purposely bad acting to the grainy effect on the film.
But I digress. I suppose I'm just too much of a film snob to enjoy action films such as Avatar.
To answer your second question, I love James Cameron's older work such as Aliens and Terminator. Those were much better, well constructed films. And I was bored and had nothing else to do :p.
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The point of this film was not to bring something entirely new to the table. It wasn't about the story, or the individual characters. It was about the viewer being able to escape and let their minds run wild for 3 hours. The first time I saw it I could give a shit what was happening in the story. I was just sitting back and taking in the Na'vi culture and the world of Pandora. I sat there the whole time paying attention to every little detail that had to with the world, not what was happening within. Seeing how much effort and attention to detail that went into the world is why I love it. Everything fits, the animals, the plants, the ecosystems, the clans. Its exactly how a world like that should have evolved, down to the way the limbs and luminescent shapes on all the creatures. If you pay attention to the colors of the animals and the areas of Pandora, you can figure out what evolved where. That's what I appreciate most.
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And I was bored and had nothing else to do :p.
To be honest, the rest of your post was irrelevant, this was a perfectly reasonable justification. :lol
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
That's probably not the best idea.
Why?
Because blacklights are UV lamps, and I'm guessing that shining UV lights on your fish for prolonged periods of time is probably not very good for them.
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Calling this the greatest film of all time (like most Americans are these days) is like calling the Star Wars prequel trilogy a work of art.
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
That's probably not the best idea.
Why?
Because blacklights are UV lamps, and I'm guessing that shining UV lights on your fish for prolonged periods of time is probably not very good for them.
Well, if they want to live in Pandora under the sea, they are going to have to deal with it. It's only going to be at night anyways.
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ITT China plots the unfortunate eventual murder of pandoran fish.
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The amount of hatred for it is way over the top.
I saw it, and found it highly enjoyable. If you were expecting something deep and profound and so were disappointed by a fun fantasy action flick then that's kinda your own fault really. The story was cliche (literally a cross between Pocahontas and Fern Gully... I kept waiting to hear Tim Curry singing!) and the dialogue was occasionally iffy, but there were some nice lines, lots of good acting, nice characters and great visuals. Not a great film by any means, but there's still plenty to like.
Well, knowing that Tim Curry doesn't sing in it, then I'll most certainly be disappointed. Back to Muppets Treasure Island then...
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The light should be fine for the fish. But I would check and make sure the action figures are safe for them. The paint may not be.
By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Do YOU know how to properly make your islands float IN GOD DAMN MID AIR?!?!
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Do YOU know how to properly make your islands float IN GOD DAMN MID AIR?!?!
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Do YOU know how to properly make your islands float IN GOD DAMN MID AIR?!?!
I chortled.
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Yeah. I am not putting the fish in until tomorrow night. A girl friend of mine works at petsmart and has been helping me do everything right.
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Yeah. I am not putting the fish in until tomorrow night. A girl friend of mine works at petsmart and has been helping me do everything right.
:facepalm: If you want to give it a second try after your fish die, let me know.
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I'm just coming in here to say that I have not seen Avatar yet and don't really care.
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GTFO NAO!
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Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something! If they had went in with an open mind and judged it for what it is, they probably would have enjoyed it more. I think James Cameron shot himself in the foot by hyping it up so much, so that for these people it was ultimately a disappointment. I fortunately was mostly unaware of the hype so when I saw it I had no preconceptions.
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Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something!
How do you know that?
Most of us went to see it with expectations of seeing another James Cameron film. What else would we expect?
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Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something! If they had went in with an open mind and judged it for what it is, they probably would have enjoyed it more.
Well for 'what it is' it's a glorified tech demo with a paper thin plot and a really cliche message that's been told and retold many times over. I don't think anyone expected Schindler's List and while I can't speak for everyone but I'm getting to a point where if I can predict a large amount of a movie up to an hour before something happens it seriously hinders my enjoyment.
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I think James Cameron shot himself in the foot by hyping it up so much, so that for these people it was ultimately a disappointment.
I don't think he shot himself in the foot at all. For every critic who felt it was overhyped, there are probably 10 people who were hooked in by the hype and ended up loving it.
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Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something!
How do you know that?
Most of us went to see it with expectations of seeing another James Cameron film. What else would we expect?
I say that based on what I have read on the internet and what I have heard in real life. I don't claim it to be true for every person, but of those I have experienced, the majority fall into one of those groups of either wrong expectations or unfairly judging.
I think James Cameron shot himself in the foot by hyping it up so much, so that for these people it was ultimately a disappointment.
I don't think he shot himself in the foot at all. For every critic who felt it was overhyped, there are probably 10 people who were hooked in by the hype and ended up loving it.
By these people I meant the critics who felt it was overhyped. For them, it only made the film more of a let down.
Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something! If they had went in with an open mind and judged it for what it is, they probably would have enjoyed it more.
Well for 'what it is' it's a glorified tech demo with a paper thin plot and a really cliche message that's been told and retold many times over. I don't think anyone expected Schindler's List and while I can't speak for everyone but I'm getting to a point where if I can predict a large amount of a movie up to an hour before something happens it seriously hinders my enjoyment.
I didn't say anyone expected it to be SL. But comparisons of that nature are being made by so called "critics" like it's proof of something. As for your predictions, I think ariich put it perfectly:
Oh by the way, the whole "I knew exactly what was going to happen" thing is BS. For example, whether a couple of the main characters lived or died at the end could easily have gone one way or the other. Either way has been done plenty of times before, so whichever they had gone for, cynics will say "I KNEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN LOL".
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Really? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that Jake and whatsherface were both going to live, despite the 'danger' they were in. The only real unknown was what deus ex machina was going to save Jake.
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Just because you didn't see someone coming doesn't mean I didn't. How can you call it BS when I was in my own body watching the movie and my predictions were coming true because of how cliche they were? There wasn't a single shocking twist or moment throughout the entire movie. I mean when the marines attacked the tree and killed the chief the second he gave blue alien princess chick the bow I thought "she's gonna use it to kill the general" and sure enough over an hour later when all hope is lost for Jake look who comes bounding through the forest with the bow to save the day at the last second.
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Yeah. It's going to have black lights and only tropical fish that will glow under it.
That's probably not the best idea.
Why?
Because blacklights are UV lamps, and I'm guessing that shining UV lights on your fish for prolonged periods of time is probably not very good for them.
Well, if they want to live in Pandora under the sea, they are going to have to deal with it. It's only going to be at night anyways.
>Implying that your fish want to live on Pandora
Most Avatar critics went to see it with completely wrong expectations or are judging it like it's trying to be Schindler's List or something! If they had went in with an open mind and judged it for what it is, they probably would have enjoyed it more.
Well for 'what it is' it's a glorified tech demo with a paper thin plot and a really cliche message that's been told and retold many times over. I don't think anyone expected Schindler's List and while I can't speak for everyone but I'm getting to a point where if I can predict a large amount of a movie up to an hour before something happens it seriously hinders my enjoyment.
THIS GOD DAMN IT!
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For the record, I didn't hate the movie until I saw it a second time and was done being wowed by the graphics. It allowed me to turn a more critical eye to the meat of the movie itself.
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Yeah, the first time I saw it I enjoyed it though I really had no desire to watch it again. The second time I was just bored.
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By the way, do you know how to properly cycle your tank before putting fish in?
Yeah. I am not putting the fish in until tomorrow night. A girl friend of mine works at petsmart and has been helping me do everything right.
:facepalm: If you want to give it a second try after your fish die, let me know.
All my fish are still kicking really well... what am I doing right?
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How did you get someone to go see it with you?
Oh wait..........you got two tickets for yourself didn't you? For two different showings.
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
Let's just say that Chino's sitting back for this BJ.
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lol
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
10 in theaters.
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How did you get someone to go see it with you?
Oh wait..........you got two tickets for yourself didn't you? For two different showings.
Win! :lol
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
10 in theaters.
Doesn't it get old after awhile? I mean you know pretty much everything that happens the first 2 or 3 times, what can someone possibly get out of another 7 or 8 showings?
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I had all I wanted after the first time
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
10 in theaters.
Doesn't it get old after awhile? I mean you know pretty much everything that happens the first 2 or 3 times, what can someone possibly get out of another 7 or 8 showings?
It is the minute details everywhere. Once you know the movies script by heart, you can just look around at everything... in Imax 3D. Every single thing in Pandora is highly thought out. The amount of little details on everything just blow my mind. The Na'vi are cool, but are not nearly as bad ass as the rest of their world. I guess I like to watch it mainly because it's like Planet Earth, but on Pandora. Every time I watch it I see something new and undiscovered to me. That is why Avatar has me hooked. Not because of the peaceful blue people, or Jake Scully becoming one of them. I love it because so much thought and research of our own planet produced such a wonderful imagination in mind of James Cameron. I don't praise him for making a kick ass plot. I give the man all the respect I can for creating world so fucking real, you forget that it isn't.
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Just purchased two tickets to see it Friday morning :chino:
How many times would this make?
10 in theaters.
Doesn't it get old after awhile? I mean you know pretty much everything that happens the first 2 or 3 times, what can someone possibly get out of another 7 or 8 showings?
Every time I watch it I see something new and undiscovered to me. That is why Avatar has me hooked. Not because of the peaceful blue people, or Jake Scully becoming one of them. I love it because so much thought and research of our own planet produced such a wonderful imagination in mind of James Cameron.
and because you are smoking the good stuff....
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2 times in the theater and a lot on BluRay heh
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https://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar
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https://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar
mind = blown
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https://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar
Wow cool
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https://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar
Wow, and I was told it was just a complete ripoff of Pocahontas. Go figure?
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I cant wait for tomorrow :chino:
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I cant wait for tomorrow :chino:
Seriously? Your 10 showing and you can't wait? I think you can wait. Don't scare me, Chino. :biggrin:
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I cant wait for tomorrow :chino:
Seriously? Your 10 showing and you can't wait? I think you can wait. Don't scare me, Chino. :biggrin:
No I can not wait, there is 9 minutes I have never seen before. It might as well be my first time.
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That's it? They rereleased the movie for nine additional minutes of footage?
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Yep.
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That's it? They rereleased the movie for nine additional minutes of footage?
Oh it's sooo gonna be worth it. I hear they also included a close up of a Pandora butterfly! There will also be about 3-4 minutes of Jake looking around a room wondering where he belongs.
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That's it? They rereleased the movie for nine additional minutes of footage?
Oh it's sooo gonna be worth it. I hear they also included a close up of a Pandora butterfly! There will also be about 3-4 minutes of Jake looking around a room wondering where he belongs.
I don't know about a butterfly, but we get to find out what these things are...
(https://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3059/avatar2new.jpg)
(https://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2594/avatarnew1.jpg)
And we get to see the Na'vi take out one of those giant bulldozers.
(https://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6309/avatarnew3.jpg)
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That's it? They rereleased the movie for nine additional minutes of footage?
Oh it's sooo gonna be worth it. I hear they also included a close up of a Pandora butterfly! There will also be about 3-4 minutes of Jake looking around a room wondering where he belongs.
I don't know about a butterfly, but we get to find out what these things are...
(https://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3059/avatar2new.jpg)
(https://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2594/avatarnew1.jpg)
And we get to see the Na'vi take out one of those giant bulldozers.
(https://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6309/avatarnew3.jpg)
I worry about you...
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What what are? The random dinosaur looking things? Who cares what they are? They run around and hit things with their heads. Call them rock heads or something.
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Yeah they didn't seem like anything special. Hell the animal design looked like the creator woke up hungover, had 5 minutes to think of something and Cameron loved it.
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Why are you guys busting him chops over the fact that he likes a movie a lot and wants to see it a bunch of times? Just because none of you happen to share his interest doesn't give you the right to be jerks.
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Why are you guys busting him chops over the fact that he likes a movie a lot and wants to see it a bunch of times? Just because none of you happen to share his interest doesn't give you the right to be jerks.
I'm just kidding him. I don't care if he see's it 80 times. I would start to fear that I live in the same state he does but...
:biggrin:
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You know, I was actually somewhat interested in the extra footage, hoping that it would be some deleted scenes from Earth or something interesting, but instead it's more of what the movie needed less of.
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Well the extra footage in theaters is all outdoor CGI scenes. The next DVD release will have close to 40 minutes involving strictly humans. I think we will get to see Earth's state in one of the next two movies.
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Love the new sig Chino (Orcus). :lol
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That was all him but I approve.
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:rollin
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:rollin :rollin Oh man the gasmask makes it so much better too.
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Thanks fellas!
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:rollin :rollin Oh man the gasmask makes it so much better too.
Its actually called an exopack.
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:rollin :rollin Oh man the gasmask makes it so much better too.
Its actually called an exopack.
FUCK.
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I just read online that there is in fact only 8 minutes of extra footage in the re release of Avatar. Perhaps next year they will add two or 3 more.
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i'd much rather spend the money on resident evil 3d at the imax than see 9 more minutes of the movie i already saw.
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Well the extra footage in theaters is all outdoor CGI scenes. The next DVD release will have close to 40 minutes involving strictly humans. I think we will get to see Earth's state in one of the next two movies.
How many releases will there be? Why isn't that 40 minutes being added to the new run, which is being billed as Avatar: Special Edition?
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Let me answer those questions with an illustration.
*makes milking motion with hands*
:cow:
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Let me answer those questions with an illustration.
*makes milking motion with hands*
:cow:
I see.
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Why are you guys busting him chops over the fact that he likes a movie a lot and wants to see it a bunch of times? Just because none of you happen to share his interest doesn't give you the right to be jerks.
Because it supports a cynical, artistically bankrupt approach to film making which is slowly destroying mainstream film and taking opportunities away from more creative film makers?
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So blame the industry or Cameron. If Chino is entertained by the movie and perfectly willing and eager to see it again, why bash him just because he enjoys something you don't?
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Why are you guys busting him chops over the fact that he likes a movie a lot and wants to see it a bunch of times? Just because none of you happen to share his interest doesn't give you the right to be jerks.
Because it supports a cynical, artistically bankrupt approach to film making which is slowly destroying mainstream film and taking opportunities away from more creative film makers?
From someone who loves good cinema - I thought Avatar was a breath of fresh air and a highly enjoyable film.
And Cameron is extremely creative - what on earth are you talking about? He might not be a master script writer; but his vision is outstanding.
You should vent your anger towards the american superhero franchise of films, which in my opinion is total garbage. That's what i'd call killing cinema. Or these dumb-ass romantic comedies, or 3D Horror films that people are paying to see these days.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
I totally agree about not throwing the extras on the current DVD. Its quite weak indeed to put out a cheesy edition and then wait no doubt for the holidays to add extras and release it again.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
I totally agree about not throwing the extras on the current DVD. Its quite weak indeed to put out a cheesy edition and then wait no doubt for the holidays to add extras and release it again.
I would agree, except for the fact it was announced way in advance that a special edition was in the works. The alternative would be releasing a Blu-ray with special features thrown together at the "last minute." I think the first release was a good compromise, that way if people wanted to at least rent the flick (or purchase), they could.
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So blame the industry or Cameron. If Chino is entertained by the movie and perfectly willing and eager to see it again, why bash him just because he enjoys something you don't?
that's it, we are taking chino, everybody get the flammables i'm torching that motherfucker right now.
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The reason it all wasn't included from the beginning was because Cameron was unsure if people eyes and minds could stand almost three and a half hours of hardcore 3D. The first 2 times I saw it I got severe headaches after a while. The next longest 3D movie prior to Avatar was under 2 hours. James Cameron has said multiple times that they were unsure of the effect, therefore were conservative. What is this milking bull shit. It's called fucking business. If people are willing to see it more times, willing to spend the money, and are willingly doing it, I don't see whats so wrong about it. The deluxe edition is going to be jam packed with shit. Not just all three and a half hours of the movie, but probably hours upon hours of bonus features. I am honestly hoping for the movie in studio form, from beginning to end. I think that would be kind of cool to see how they made every scene.
/rant
spoilers
Now about what I saw today. The extra footage was actually pretty cool. Right when Grace, Norm, and Jake got off the helicopter the first time, they walked into a near by shack. You soon find out it was once the school, and you got to hear some cool background stuff. We got to see a hunt on a huge scale and some other cool odds and ends. The ending gave me chills this time. Tsu'tey not only passes the leadership onto Jake, but has Jake stab him to death. He gave a little speech how he will go down has a worrier, who not only fought along side Toruk Makto (last shadow), but he was also killed by him.
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I'll just wait for the Blu-ray release to see all this footage, I'm not paying $10 again.
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Not particularly new info, but still interesting tidbits on the upcoming SE of Avatar:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5056
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Just read this on Wikipedia:
Cinema audiences in Russia have noted that Avatar has elements in common with the 1960s Noon Universe novels written in the Soviet Union by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky, which are set in the 22nd century on a forested world called Pandora with a sentient indigenous species called the Nave.
Fucking lol.
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I'm sure it's a coincidence, like In the Presence of Enemies.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
Dude, if enough people WANT to go into the cinema to see it on a big screen again that they can make money from re-releasing it, then of course they're going to do it. That's not money milking, it's just good business sense.
I agree with your first point though. People need to stop getting so worked up by cinema. Considering how many damn good films have come out recently, the idea that anything is "killing cinema" is bullshit.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
I totally agree about not throwing the extras on the current DVD. Its quite weak indeed to put out a cheesy edition and then wait no doubt for the holidays to add extras and release it again.
This is the essence of what I'm referring to this time around.
Chino, I just want to make it clear that I have no ill will toward you. Basically, I feel strongly about this, and don't have a way of yelling at James Cameron directly. There are worse things in the industry than this, but this is a very clear and visible example.
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I can't speak for TL, but you seem to be just listing genres you don't care for and say that they're ruining cinema or something.
But, I think one of the issues is the milking for money that the people behind Avatar are clearly doing. Rereleasing it into theaters for 9 extra minutes? Releasing ANOTHER dvd later on with more footage? This isn't Star Wars, it hasn't been out for 20 years. It pretty much just came out, there's no reason they couldn't thrown all of that stuff into the already released DVD.
Dude, if enough people WANT to go into the cinema to see it on a big screen again that they can make money from re-releasing it, then of course they're going to do it. That's not money milking, it's just good business sense.
I agree with your first point though. People need to stop getting so worked up by cinema. Considering how many damn good films have come out recently, the idea that anything is "killing cinema" is bullshit.
Just out of curiosity, what are these damn good films you speak of?
The last damn good film I watched was, suprisingly, Avatar.
I enjoyed Inception, but I don't consider it to be a masterpiece that others will argue.
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I don't include Avatar actually, but Inception and Toy Story 3 were both incredible, and in the last couple of years we've also had Kick-Ass, An Education, District 9, Moon, Up, Coraline and The Reader, as well as plenty of other films that I've really enjoyed like Sherlock Holmes, Burn After Reading and Fantastic Mr Fox.
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Just read this on Wikipedia:
Cinema audiences in Russia have noted that Avatar has elements in common with the 1960s Noon Universe novels written in the Soviet Union by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky, which are set in the 22nd century on a forested world called Pandora with a sentient indigenous species called the Nave.
Fucking lol.
:lol
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I don't include Avatar actually, but Inception and Toy Story 3 were both incredible, and in the last couple of years we've also had Kick-Ass, An Education, District 9, Moon, Up, Coraline and The Reader, as well as plenty of other films that I've really enjoyed like Sherlock Holmes, Burn After Reading and Fantastic Mr Fox.
Minus Moon, i'd consider Avatar to be better than all of those films.
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Fair enough, I like Avatar as the visuals were incredible and the characters themselves were great, I just thought the story, while nice enough, was very straightforward and it seemed like Cameron had put very little effort into it. As I said though, there was definitely enough to enjoy in it :tup
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Fair enough, I like Avatar as the visuals were incredible and the characters themselves were great, I just thought the story, while nice enough, was very straightforward and it seemed like Cameron had put very little effort into it. As I said though, there was definitely enough to enjoy in it :tup
I like the movie. I saw it in the theater twice, and once on DVD, but its not an original story at all. It really is Pocahontas in space.
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I don't include Avatar actually, but Inception and Toy Story 3 were both incredible, and in the last couple of years we've also had Kick-Ass, An Education, District 9, Moon, Up, Coraline and The Reader, as well as plenty of other films that I've really enjoyed like Sherlock Holmes, Burn After Reading and Fantastic Mr Fox.
Minus Moon, i'd consider Avatar to be better than all of those films.
Better than them, or you enjoyed it more than them? There's an important difference.
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I don't include Avatar actually, but Inception and Toy Story 3 were both incredible, and in the last couple of years we've also had Kick-Ass, An Education, District 9, Moon, Up, Coraline and The Reader, as well as plenty of other films that I've really enjoyed like Sherlock Holmes, Burn After Reading and Fantastic Mr Fox.
Minus Moon, i'd consider Avatar to be better than all of those films.
Better than them, or you enjoyed it more than them? There's an important difference.
Not really. There are objective qualities and characteristics, but whether a film is good or not is down to the individual viewer.
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I don't include Avatar actually, but Inception and Toy Story 3 were both incredible, and in the last couple of years we've also had Kick-Ass, An Education, District 9, Moon, Up, Coraline and The Reader, as well as plenty of other films that I've really enjoyed like Sherlock Holmes, Burn After Reading and Fantastic Mr Fox.
Minus Moon, i'd consider Avatar to be better than all of those films.
Better than them, or you enjoyed it more than them? There's an important difference.
Not really. There are objective qualities and characteristics, but whether a film is good or not is down to the individual viewer.
While true, how much someone liked a film is entirely opinion based, while the quality of a film is much more quantifiable.
For example, if someone were to say they liked The Expendables more than The Godfather, you can't dispute them because it's entirely their opinion. If they were to say The Expendables was a better film than The Godfather though, you could definitely dispute that.
Now, there is obviously room for opinion when it comes to quality, and the closer the films in question are in terms of quality, the more likely it is that people will disagree about which is better. For example, while I doubt anyone would claim that Paul Blart: Mallcop is a better film than Silence of the Lambs, there would probably be disagreements if the two films in question were something like Layer Cake and Saving Private Ryan.
Personally, while I don't think Avatar is an absolutely terrible film, I also don't see anything special about it beyond the visuals, and I don't feel that visuals alone can carry a movie. Out of the films mentioned in that post that I've seen, I feel that some are just objectively better than Avatar (though not all).
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I guess really it depends on whether you see film making as an art or a technical exercise. If it's technical, then sure something can be objectively better than something else. But as an art form, it's all about what makes someone enjoy it. Again there are some objective characteristics such as effects, sound editing, etc (which Avatar does very well), but in terms of whether those make it a good film, it's down to the individual.
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I'm not talking about the technical elements. I'm approaching this from an artistic perspective. There's just something intangible but present that makes some films better than others. It's like how, even if someone didn't really enjoy The Godfather, they'd be able to tell that it was good, even if they'd somehow magically never heard anyone else's opinion of it.
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Then I don't understand you. If you don't like a film then, to you, it's not good.
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For example, while I doubt anyone would claim that Paul Blart: Mallcop is a better film than Silence of the Lambs
Armond White would in a heartbeat. Here are some classy examples:
https://www.nypress.com/article-19237-better-than-list-2008.html
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Would Jurassic Park been as big of a success if the dinosaurs didn't look real? Independence Day would not have been possible. Even though I hate them, the Pirates of the Caribbean and Harry Potter films would have sucked, even with the same story.
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For example, while I doubt anyone would claim that Paul Blart: Mallcop is a better film than Silence of the Lambs
Armond White would in a heartbeat. Here are some classy examples:
https://www.nypress.com/article-19237-better-than-list-2008.html
Twilight BETTER THAN Let the Right One In
Holy christ I raged. This guy is a god-tier troll.
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No better way to get attention than hate what everyone likes.
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I still want to hate him but he clearly does his job without any real care for anything except pissing people off it's really not worth it. I like how he'll knock other movie critics down meanwhile his reviews consist of unnecessary vocabulary and comparisons between movies that aren't even related.
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I'm not talking about the technical elements. I'm approaching this from an artistic perspective. There's just something intangible but present that makes some films better than others. It's like how, even if someone didn't really enjoy The Godfather, they'd be able to tell that it was good, even if they'd somehow magically never heard anyone else's opinion of it.
In fairness, Van Gogh, one of the generally accepted greatest artists of all time, went to his grave thinking he was a hack. He had no reputation whatsoever and very few people of the time would have even called it artful, let alone good.
Not until a v. short while before his death did anyone cotton on, and even then very few.
Not that I'm comparing Avatar to it. Haven't even seen it. General consensus seems to be that it's a beautiful film which is a bit short on substance. Beauty is a valid criteria for artfulness, and it might be looked back on very fondly. I'm more interested in plot, so it's probably not for me, but then so were the French in Van Gogh's time. "Call them Sunflowers? They don't even look realistic."
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I'm just curious. If Avatar is a good film because it created a beautiful world, then why are the Star Wars prequels not good films as well? They created extremely beautiful worlds, they even had better stories.
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Expectations is my best guess. Also, Hayden Christenssen
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Yeah I'd give Avatar the acting nod even if it wasn't anything spectacular. The only real annoying role in that movie was the business guy who tried to act like Ari Gold a little too much.
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I'm just curious. If Avatar is a good film because it created a beautiful world, then why are the Star Wars prequels not good films as well? They created extremely beautiful worlds, they even had better stories.
Like I said, I've not seen it. I don't have an opinion on it.
But visually, it's a work of art. Maybe one day plot will be considered less important, and we'll all be going on about how there's too much plot and it gets in the way of the effects. Avatar might be looked upon as a pioneer.
I like plot, myself. But that's just me. Audiences of the future might not be interested in storytelling, they could be more interested in seeing original vistas and glorious sunsets, all rendered in dazzling 3D and more real than the sun in the sky. The ability to look deep into the surface of a star without getting your eyes all stingy. Who'd be interested in plot? You can see plots in real life. Bah! Tell your mum her busters are saggy if you want to see a fight. Even better, tell her your dad said it! You can munch on some popcorn as the sparks fly. (Then get ready to run when they work it out. (God the future's a bleak place.))
Van Gogh's contemporaries were more interested in realism - or whatever. His artwork looked like a mess to them. To us, it looks glorious. Priorities change. What was "a bit rubbish" then is now a bit of a pioneer. For all we know a society in 100 years could look back at us and go "how could they SQUANDER this beautiful visual medium on something as ugly as The Godfather?" And yes, they might look at Star Wars and go "well, they've all got too much fighting and chatting, but at least 1-3 are kinda pretty for their time." 'Course, so were 4-6.
I'm just saying that objectivity can't really be applied, even when it seems obvious that it should be. I'm not calling Avatar a great film. By all reports I'd find it pretty hollow. But that's based on the places I look for depth. Visually, you'd be hard pressed to find a film with more depth. I've only seen trailers and I'm a little bit stunned by it.
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But then again, beauty is subjective too. I find more beauty, cinematography wise, in a single episode of Mad Men then I did in Avatar.
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But then again, beauty is subjective too. I find more beauty, cinematography wise, in a single episode of Mad Men then I did in Avatar.
Oh, yeah. Definitely. I'm simplifying massively. I've been watching Sherlock lately (alright, when it was on) - TV series directed by Paul McGuigan, who's a film director, and it really shows. Some gorgeous shots there.
I'm just saying that you can more or less put the boundaries anywhere and you're not necessarily wrong. Hate to keep bringing him up, but I don't think Van Gogh's critics were wrong. In fact, I'd say you can completely see where they were coming from, if you look at his paintings they're positively grotesque in comparison to other contemporary artists. Subjective.
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https://blastr.com/2010/08/james-cameron-piranha-3-d.php
I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but that is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip.
Considering some of the main criticisms aimed at Avatar, I find this delicious.
Also, I get the feeling that he missed the point of the movie.
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Instead of bitching about Piranha 3-D, he should apologize for Piranha 2.
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Did you guys hear about Chino's new tatoos?
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/dimitrius21/Funny%20pics/5301d145.jpg)
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Well at least (whoever that is) has accepted that he'll never get laid.
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Well at least (whoever that is) has accepted that he'll never get laid.
except by smurfs
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https://blastr.com/2010/08/james-cameron-piranha-3-d.php
I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but that is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip.
Considering some of the main criticisms aimed at Avatar, I find this delicious.
Also, I get the feeling that he missed the point of the movie.
Cheapens... 3D...
lolwut?
Seriously, the guy really needs to get his head out of his ass. I mean, I know having the highest grossing film of all time (without adjusting for inflation) must go to your head, but seriously.
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I want!!
https://www.vendingtimes.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=EB79A487112B48A296B38C81345C8C7F&nm=Vending+Features&type=Publishing&mod=Publications::Article&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=68612F12EFD64B91A2CBFDA3E3D700D2
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I want!!
https://www.vendingtimes.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=EB79A487112B48A296B38C81345C8C7F&nm=Vending+Features&type=Publishing&mod=Publications::Article&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=68612F12EFD64B91A2CBFDA3E3D700D2
Wasn't the movie kind of against....capatalism in a sense? huh
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Wasn't the movie kind of against....capatalism in a sense? huh
no
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fap fap fap fap
https://www.slashfilm.com/2010/10/06/trailer-avatar-extended-collector%E2%80%99s-edition-blu-ray-reveals-future-earth-opening/
Looks like Jake may be an alcoholic or something before being sent away.
(https://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ZZ0023F976.jpg)
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I never saw the movie.
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You did the right thing, Chris.
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I never saw the movie.
Why?
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Because he thought it would just be a slideshow of everyone's avatar on DTF, so he didn't want to waste his money.
/reallyshittyjoke
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Looks like Jake may be an alcoholic or something before being sent away.
(https://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ZZ0023F976.jpg)
You can read the scene in the script.
EDIT: Apparently they still make Converses 150 years in the future. I'm torn between the absurdity of the notion and its irrefutable logic.
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>3 hour extended edition
Because the movie really needed to be longer.
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Maybe the interesting parts of the plot were cut for the theatrical version.
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Looks like Jake may be an alcoholic or something before being sent away.
You can read the scene in the script.
EDIT: Apparently they still make Converses 150 years in the future. I'm torn between the absurdity of the notion and its irrefutable logic.
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Converses? Where can I see a script?
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This thread is so lol
Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
Sure its a cool fantasy trip but it doesn't really rock anyone's boat who has seen or read something similar ever before. I was really into some of the dragonlance novels and a lot of other really really average and downright poor fantasy novels when I was 12. And to the contrary of a lot of believes, there is a ton of very very original stuff out there so the argument that 'So what if Avatar is unoriginal, so is everything else !!!1' has some pretty big flaws.
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Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
lol
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This thread is so lol
Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
Sure its a cool fantasy trip but it doesn't really rock anyone's boat who has seen or read something similar ever before. I was really into some of the dragonlance novels and a lot of other really really average and downright poor fantasy novels when I was 12. And to the contrary of a lot of believes, there is a ton of very very original stuff out there so the argument that 'So what if Avatar is unoriginal, so is everything else !!!1' has some pretty big flaws.
I can already tell I don't like you.
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This thread is so lol
Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
Sure its a cool fantasy trip but it doesn't really rock anyone's boat who has seen or read something similar ever before. I was really into some of the dragonlance novels and a lot of other really really average and downright poor fantasy novels when I was 12. And to the contrary of a lot of believes, there is a ton of very very original stuff out there so the argument that 'So what if Avatar is unoriginal, so is everything else !!!1' has some pretty big flaws.
Man, I HATED Avatar and I felt this post to be completely unnecessary.
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This thread is so lol
Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
Sure its a cool fantasy trip but it doesn't really rock anyone's boat who has seen or read something similar ever before. I was really into some of the dragonlance novels and a lot of other really really average and downright poor fantasy novels when I was 12. And to the contrary of a lot of believes, there is a ton of very very original stuff out there so the argument that 'So what if Avatar is unoriginal, so is everything else !!!1' has some pretty big flaws.
I loved Avatar and I have no problem getting an emotional responce from movies or books.
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This thread is so lol
Oh well maybe I should try to feel more empathy for people who manage to tap into their own imagination for the first time in their lives to actually get an emotional response from a movie or a book. Its just that it usually happens when you're around 12, not when you're, like oh, 20. Which makes me sad for some of the people here.
Sure its a cool fantasy trip but it doesn't really rock anyone's boat who has seen or read something similar ever before. I was really into some of the dragonlance novels and a lot of other really really average and downright poor fantasy novels when I was 12. And to the contrary of a lot of believes, there is a ton of very very original stuff out there so the argument that 'So what if Avatar is unoriginal, so is everything else !!!1' has some pretty big flaws.
This post is bad in more ways than one.
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lolkala
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Three things I feel should be mentioned about Avatar.
#1) Those who say it's complete trash should have their critic cards revoked. Avatar is not complete trash. To say the whole movie is complete trash is about as lame as it gets. Really? So the effects were trash? Wow. That's pretty bold.
#2) Yes, the movie is unoriginal, but it's still entertaining. I think that works for many movies out there
#3) As a James Cameron movie it was disappointing as we know he is better than this when it comes to the story.
In a nutshell, I loved every minute of this movie and had a great time. The story was subpar and the characters wooden and cliche. The effects were breathtaking.
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Also the written dialogue itself was almost as bad as its delivery. And that was bad.
That was really my main gripe, which is best seen in the scene where angry-bitch-scientist and smug-corporate-honcho are explaining the reason they're on Pandora: unobtanium (lol). The other part that makes me wanna die is when angry-bitch-scientist is introduced, with her coming out of her pod and moaning that she doesn't have a cigarette. If that's not the most pathetic and obvious introduction of a tired archetype I don't know what is.
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Also the written dialogue itself was almost as bad as its delivery. And that was bad.
I had a serious problem with that when I watched it again. Especially since we're still using slang like "punk-ass" 200 years in the future, and some phrases just sound silly, like "limp dick scientists" (made even more lame/tired because its the super-macho army man that says this).
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I have no problems with the movie. I have some problems with silly people who paint themselves blue and go apeshit over it :)
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I am more impressed by how long this thread has lasted than I was with the actual movie itself.
What was that rule we were told as kids? "If you don't have something nice to say than don't say anything at all"? Naw, that couldn't be it.
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What was that rule we were told as kids? "If you don't have something nice to say than don't say anything at all"? Naw, that couldn't be it.
That means you're going to stop posting in the facebook thread, right? :P
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NO FUCK YOU GRAMMAR IS A BIG DEAL
:neverusethis:
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I am more impressed by how long this thread has lasted than I was with the actual movie itself.
It is my job to keep it going.
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I have an actual Mitsubishi 3dtv, and I've been so tempted to pick that up ;). 3d at home with the active shutter glasses is awesome!
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I have an actual Mitsubishi 3dtv, and I've been so tempted to pick that up ;). 3d at home with the active shutter glasses is awesome!
How does it feel being probably one of 3 people on our planet who owns one of those?
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I have an actual Mitsubishi 3dtv, and I've been so tempted to pick that up ;). 3d at home with the active shutter glasses is awesome!
Jealous!!
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I have an actual Mitsubishi 3dtv, and I've been so tempted to pick that up ;). 3d at home with the active shutter glasses is awesome!
Since you're throwing money away, do you mind if I PM you my paypal account?
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
I think he mentioned something about the main "villain" from the last one returning somehow. I could be wrong, but I remember him mentioning that a while back, although he might have changed his mind. Another site had him mention that he wanted to do something regarding the "Oceans of Pandora", so that's oughta be pretty freakin' awesome.
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
I would pay for 3 hours of spaceships blowing the shit out of Pandora from orbit.
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If they did that, how could they ever justify another sequel? :neverusethis:
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
Well Cameron has said that we are going to get to dive deep into the oceans of Pandora. Probably seeing all new creatures and underwater worlds just as awesome as the stuff on land. We will probably get more insight as to the state of the Earth, and why our presence on Pandora is so crucial for mankind's survival. I'll guarantee that Hells' Gate is not the only base on Pandora. There is probably another RDA facility near by, that will once again be out for redemption. As for the 3rd movie, I have no clue. I would be willing to bet it ends with Jake knocking Neytiri up.
On a side note, anyone plan on getting the collectors edition? I already have mine reserved.
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Chino!
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Pretty neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjfLyGTXSYo&feature=player_embedded
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
Well Cameron has said that we are going to get to dive deep into the oceans of Pandora. Probably seeing all new creatures and underwater worlds just as awesome as the stuff on land. We will probably get more insight as to the state of the Earth, and why our presence on Pandora is so crucial for mankind's survival. I'll guarantee that Hells' Gate is not the only base on Pandora. There is probably another RDA facility near by, that will once again be out for redemption. As for the 3rd movie, I have no clue. I would be willing to bet it ends with Jake knocking Neytiri up.
No offense to you and others who love the first movie, but I honestly have the hardest time believing many people will care about any of those things.
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Yeah, that just sounds like something they could cover in alternate media, or something like the Animatrix.
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Since I guess Chino would know the most about this, what is Cameron even planning on doing with Avatar sequels? I can't possibly imagine a new storyline that would warrant a movie aside from just being purely a money grab.
Well Cameron has said that we are going to get to dive deep into the oceans of Pandora. Probably seeing all new creatures and underwater worlds just as awesome as the stuff on land. We will probably get more insight as to the state of the Earth, and why our presence on Pandora is so crucial for mankind's survival. I'll guarantee that Hells' Gate is not the only base on Pandora. There is probably another RDA facility near by, that will once again be out for redemption. As for the 3rd movie, I have no clue. I would be willing to bet it ends with Jake knocking Neytiri up.
No offense to you and others who love the first movie, but I honestly have the hardest time believing many people will care about any of those things.
Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
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That's all well and good. I'm just saying I don't see it.
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Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
To be fair, those 14,000 people don't matter much. Let's say those 14,000 people plus say....6,000 more who aren't there are DYING to see that stuff.
Welll 20,000 people at 8 dollars a ticket is 160,000 dollars. No one makes a movie to make anything less than a hundred times that.
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Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
To be fair, those 14,000 people don't matter much. Let's say those 14,000 people plus say....6,000 more who aren't there are DYING to see that stuff.
Welll 20,000 people at 8 dollars a ticket is 160,000 dollars. No one makes a movie to make anything less than a hundred times that.
I think it's safe to say at this point that Cameron could make a movie about a Na'vi taking a shit in a Pandorian outhouse, and as long as it's 3D, it'll make another billion.
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Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
To be fair, those 14,000 people don't matter much. Let's say those 14,000 people plus say....6,000 more who aren't there are DYING to see that stuff.
Welll 20,000 people at 8 dollars a ticket is 160,000 dollars. No one makes a movie to make anything less than a hundred times that.
I think it's safe to say at this point that Cameron could make a movie about a Na'vi taking a shit in a Pandorian outhouse, and as long as it's 3D, it'll make another billion.
You sir bring up a good point.
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Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
To be fair, those 14,000 people don't matter much. Let's say those 14,000 people plus say....6,000 more who aren't there are DYING to see that stuff.
Welll 20,000 people at 8 dollars a ticket is 160,000 dollars. No one makes a movie to make anything less than a hundred times that.
I think it's safe to say at this point that Cameron could make a movie about a Na'vi taking a shit in a Pandorian outhouse, and as long as it's 3D, it'll make another billion.
That seems unfair? Its as if he is guilty of how popular his movie became? He made a fine film for what it was. I think he can make another film worth seeing in this saga. :tick2:
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That seems unfair? Its as if he is guilty of how popular his movie became? He made a fine film for what it was. I think he can make another film worth seeing in this saga. :tick2:
When did you become so PC?
He's just saying that despite how good/bad the film was, many many people will see anything he does involving the Pandora Story and if it's in 3D. It's not even a comment on Cameron, but his fans.
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That seems unfair? Its as if he is guilty of how popular his movie became? He made a fine film for what it was. I think he can make another film worth seeing in this saga. :tick2:
When did you become so PC?
When I realized I couldn't afford a MAC.
Seriously, all I'm saying is if the first one did that well just because it was 3D I would agree. I just think the second one will fail if the only thing good about it is its 3D. I think the charm of 3D alone making a movie a success is over. That's all I'm saying. If the movie sucks it will fail. :tick2:
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That's funny because the 3D in Avatar wasn't really that good to begin with outside of one or two scenes that actually showcased the technology.
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That seems unfair? Its as if he is guilty of how popular his movie became? He made a fine film for what it was. I think he can make another film worth seeing in this saga. :tick2:
When did you become so PC?
When I realized I couldn't afford a MAC.
Seriously, all I'm saying is if the first one did that well just because it was 3D I would agree. I just think the second one will fail if the only thing good about it is its 3D. I think the charm of 3D alone making a movie a success is over. That's all I'm saying. If the movie sucks it will fail. :tick2:
Great Mac comment.
And making a movie in 3D isn't enough to save it, I agree. But saying it's by James Cameron and in 3D is enough. Any big director has the same stigma. If Spielburg made a touching movie about a guy taking a dump, it would also make huge amounts of money and probably even win an oscar. If Stanley Kubrick had made a movie in the 60's about Kirk Douglas taking a piss for 90 minutes, it would be studied and described as brilliant (which it probably would be). Cameran carries a stigma with his name (and now 3D) that will ensure that whatever he makes to bring in a lot of money.
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That seems unfair? Its as if he is guilty of how popular his movie became? He made a fine film for what it was. I think he can make another film worth seeing in this saga. :tick2:
When did you become so PC?
When I realized I couldn't afford a MAC.
Seriously, all I'm saying is if the first one did that well just because it was 3D I would agree. I just think the second one will fail if the only thing good about it is its 3D. I think the charm of 3D alone making a movie a success is over. That's all I'm saying. If the movie sucks it will fail. :tick2:
Great Mac comment.
And making a movie in 3D isn't enough to save it, I agree. But saying it's by James Cameron and in 3D is enough. Any big director has the same stigma. If Spielburg made a touching movie about a guy taking a dump, it would also make huge amounts of money and probably even win an oscar. If Stanley Kubrick had made a movie in the 60's about Kirk Douglas taking a piss for 90 minutes, it would be studied and described as brilliant (which it probably would be). Cameran carries a stigma with his name (and now 3D) that will ensure that whatever he makes to bring in a lot of money.
Fair enough points.
I do however worry about your willingness to watch Kirk Douglas pee for prolonged periods a bit disturbing, but at least you didn't say Kirk Cameron.:tick2:
(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/avatar_character-13-1.jpg)
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Well, heres 14,000+ people combined that would disagree with you.
www.naviblue.com
https://www.avatar-forums.com/forum.php
To be fair, those 14,000 people don't matter much. Let's say those 14,000 people plus say....6,000 more who aren't there are DYING to see that stuff.
Welll 20,000 people at 8 dollars a ticket is 160,000 dollars. No one makes a movie to make anything less than a hundred times that.
I'm pretty sure Avatar's entire fanbase is not represented in those two forums...
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I didn't read up but the last two posts indicate that someone is try to say that Avatar fan base is not gigantic and to them I say: :lol
In Egypt alone there are +/- 10,000 hardcore Avatar fans, they had a special hall just for them at last year's Cairo Sci-Fi convention, and that's freakin Egypt, imagine what it's like in Europe and Asia.
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I don't want to... :facepalm:
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A very cool video on some of the tech used for the movie for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CinemaPreview#p/c/7D3CB58A64D7F282/0/f-gK7mHexXU
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Why do people do that to themselves?
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Don't do it Chino! :tick2:
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Imma do this.
(https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9766/navitat.jpg)
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Imma do this.
https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9766/navitat.jpg
DO IT
And post pics for teh lulz.
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That legit looks cool, and I hate Avatar fanboyism.
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Collector's Edition comes out today!! :biggrin:
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How many copies you had reserved?
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:lol
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So I have pretty much done nothing but watch Avatar shit for the last 9 hours or so. Pretty amazing stuff. I wouldn't say I like the film more, but I definitely have a much greater appreciation of what went into it. Many of the deleted/unfinished scenes answered a lot of little questions I had with the film. Has anyone else gotten this edition so I can actually discuss it with someone? Please don't make me resort to an actual Avatar forum....
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Please don't make me resort to an actual Avatar forum....
I LOL'd.
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So I have pretty much done nothing but watch Avatar shit for the last 9 hours or so. Pretty amazing stuff. I wouldn't say I like the film more, but I definitely have a much greater appreciation of what went into it. Many of the deleted/unfinished scenes answered a lot of little questions I had with the film. Has anyone else gotten this edition so I can actually discuss it with someone? Please don't make me resort to an actual Avatar forum....
Okay, I'll own up to getting the Collector's Edition. I've always been a big admirer of James Cameron and definitely a fan of Avatar. I recognize its shortcomings but can't help but be amazed at how it was put together. I've only watched 2 of the 4 parts of THE documentary, and the extended version of the film. I think watching it again, I've brought my score down from a 9 to an 8/10. As an aspiring filmmaker myself, it's sometimes hard to judge a movie by its final product. My appreciation for everyone involved has only grown though, and I'm happy that the extras are bringing to my attention aspects I didn't even notice the first couple times around.
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For anyone that remembers the Pandora fish tank I made, I finished it today.
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1202.snc4/155483_10150342312205111_515190110_15805477_3397051_n.jpg)
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As I read this post, I began feeling a strange stirring in my loins that I momentarily mistook for caring. Then I realized it was actually a bit of mild gas.
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I'm starting to think AA will soon stand for Avatarists Anonymous.
wait for it......
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That's actually extreemly cool Chino! Now I want a Phantom-fish-tank! (I'm to Phantom as you are to Avatar I guess, lol)
That's really neat looking, good job. :tup
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That's actually extreemly cool Chino! Now I want a Phantom-fish-tank! (I'm to Phantom as you are to Avatar I guess, lol)
That's really neat looking, good job. :tup
Thanks, I have had a lot of fun putting it together. I have thousands of dollars invested into a train set that I had to disassemble a while back, I'd like to make another themed tank using some of that stuff.
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I think it would be cool if you had a na'vi falling off a little balcony.
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I think it would be cool if you had a na'vi falling off a little balcony.
:rollin
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That's not funny.
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How much additional material is used for the feature film?
And what kind of material is used?
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Chino, thats really cool what you did there :metal
Great job!
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So a friend of mine bought the extended edition, and is trying to convince me that it's a good movie. Apparently, I just have to watch it again and I'll totally see. He offered free beer, and I don't have classes tomorrow, so I figured 'what the hell, why not?'.
We're roughly 80 minutes in. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but... I'd rather be watching 2001. Seriously, I would, beyond any doubt, rather watch all of 2001 straight through than finish this movie.
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I can believe it. What's so terrible about watching 2001?
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Well I would hope so, because 2001 is fantastic. It also managed to have brilliant special effects without half a billion dollars of CG.
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It also had a truly original story in a scope befitting its subject matter.
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Not to mention it was told well by great actors and directing.
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Hasn't that been posted and discussed already?
Or did he add something to it or something?
Oh I know, he re-released his tattoo in 3D right? No?
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Hasn't that been posted and discussed already?
Or did he add something to it or something?
Oh I know, he re-released his tattoo in 3D right? No?
:lol
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Aww, my bad.
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Another movie I just don't 'get' like most people seem to. Reminded me of Fern Gully with CGI. The story was a bit campy and the characters were predictable and 1-dimensional.
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the characters were predictable and 1-dimensional.
That's cause you didn't see it in 3-D.
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Well played, Adami. Well played.
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So a friend of mine bought the extended edition, and is trying to convince me that it's a good movie. Apparently, I just have to watch it again and I'll totally see. He offered free beer, and I don't have classes tomorrow, so I figured 'what the hell, why not?'.
We're roughly 80 minutes in. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but... I'd rather be watching 2001. Seriously, I would, beyond any doubt, rather watch all of 2001 straight through than finish this movie.
Of course you would rather watch 2001 than Avatar. 2001 is awesome, Avatar sucks.
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I wouldn't say it sucks. It's actually a pretty good movie. But we've had this discussion before.
I actually want to watch the movie again to see how it has aged and to pick up some important details I might have missed the first time I saw it. I want to pay much more attention to the visuals of Pandora's nature and landscapes.
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Or you could just watch Planet Earth and become engrossed in something that actually exists.
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Or you could just watch Planet Earth and become engrossed in something that actually exists.
Good idea.
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I wouldn't say it sucks. It's actually a pretty good movie. But we've had this discussion before.
I will probably get some shit for this, but here goes nothing.
Subjectively speaking, Avatar can be good. Objectively speaking, it is not.
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Or you could just watch Planet Earth and become engrossed in something that actually exists.
I heavily endorse this.
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the characters were predictable and 1-dimensional.
That's cause you didn't see it in 3-D.
nice
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I finished my fish tank... again. I upgraded from a 10 gallon to a 20 gallon.
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs778.ash1/166862_10150389435150111_515190110_16710074_5452741_n.jpg)
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That's pretty nice for the one fish that's in there.
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That's pretty nice for the one fish that's in there.
There are 18 in there....
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That's pretty nice for the one fish that's in there.
There are 18 in there....
Well yea, but how many are digital?
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ZING
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That's pretty nice for the one fish that's in there.
There are 18 in there....
Well yea, but how many are digital?
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Meh. Still no balcony.
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Or you could just watch Planet Earth and become engrossed in something that actually exists.
Well I actually mentioned in another post that Pandora wasn't that beautiful and that I prefered the amazing plants, animals and landscapes we have in Earth.
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Well I actually mentioned in another post that Pandora wasn't that beautiful
(https://clairepacker.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/avatar_pandora.jpg)
(https://www.deviantart.com/download/154893457/Avatar___Pandora__s_View_by_frey84.jpg)
(https://www.avatar-wallpapers.com/wallpapers/pandora%20mountains_800.jpg)
(https://simplywallpaper.net/pictures/2010/04/28/Pandora-Night.jpg)
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CAGC1YfB4QY/TFJ-JsjA85I/AAAAAAAAAx4/kN-z-m8Fh1s/s1600/Na%27vi_Pandora_Jungle_Avatar_Movie_Beautiful_Night.jpg)
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You're right, Chino. Having a massive planet close by and lots of neon everywhere does automatically constitute beautiful.
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Just to clarify the point of my post, I didn't understand fans of the movies going crazy about Pandora and saying "I would like to leave my planet and live in Pandora" when we have beautiful things on Earth that are actually very similar (your first and third pictures are good examples of something I wouldn't envy from Pandora). And you don't have my avatar in Pandora.
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I never understood why people cannot see the beauty in Pandora just in the same way that others cannot see the beauty the Earth beholds. However beauty I guess is in the eye of the beholder. Let's just hope none of them are graphics designers, photographers or painters. :neverusethis:
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Because Pandora looks pretty much exactly like Earth, only more fake.
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Well it's been a while since I saw it since I never got it on DVD, but I have to say I don't see why everyone thinks it's that bad. Maybe it's because I went expecting something average and that's exactly what I got.
And I think the people who think Pandora is so beautiful and wish they could go and live there have other mental problems not related to Avatar... the scenery in the film is beautiful and it would be good to see but obviously it's not real so couldn't possibly be better than Earth's scenery...
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If you need to go to another (fictional) planet to observe beauty, you clearly haven't taken a look around (and inside your house does not count).
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Well I actually mentioned in another post that Pandora wasn't that beautiful
(https://www.avatar-wallpapers.com/wallpapers/pandora%20mountains_800.jpg)
(https://simplywallpaper.net/pictures/2010/04/28/Pandora-Night.jpg)
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CAGC1YfB4QY/TFJ-JsjA85I/AAAAAAAAAx4/kN-z-m8Fh1s/s1600/Na%27vi_Pandora_Jungle_Avatar_Movie_Beautiful_Night.jpg)
Oh cool, Nagrand and Teldrassil.
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Just snagged me one of these :)
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360338249011#ht_1616wt_905
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Nice :tup
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Just snagged me one of these :)
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360338249011#ht_1616wt_905
But it's not in 3...
You know what, nevermind.
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So my roommate's watching it downstairs and I can hear some of the dialogue.
"Well, well, well. Looks like diplomacy has failed."
"I didn't sign up for this shit."
Maybe I should watch it just to lol at the corny lines.
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Poster came in today!
(https://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs069.snc6/167955_10150409629265111_515190110_17034444_5267399_n.jpg)
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I know I give you shit... but if I found a poster like that of Star Trek, I'd probably have to order it.
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I know I give you shit... but if I found a poster like that of Star Trek, I'd probably have to order it.
Look around on ebay. They guy I bought this from had dozens of others that were same size.
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I'm watching Avatar right now, it's pretty awesome. #justsayin
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Oh cool, Nagrand and Teldrassil.
:clap: :rollin
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Oh cool, Nagrand and Teldrassil.
I swear that I saw some Terokkar Forest in the movie as well.
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what a stpid moovie loooooool
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what a stpid moovie loooooool
Actually, the movie was brilliantly written and directed. The cinematography was absolutely stunning and left my jaw in a drooping position.\
you jus dum
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no yu
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Actually, the movie was brilliantly written
Not sure if serious...
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:chino:
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Avatar?
(https://chud.com/articles/content_images/5/the-last-airbender-movie.jpg)
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Get that shit out of here. I'm trying to pretend that obomination doesn't exist.
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
If you haven't seen Pocahontas or Fern Gully, yes. If you have, no.
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Get that shit out of here. I'm trying to pretend that obomination doesn't exist.
I enjoy the cartoon. Have you seen?
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I enjoy the cartoon. Have you seen?
Oh yes. The cartoon is a masterpiece.
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
No. No it isn't.
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
Well, the visuals are obviously worth it. From there, it's a matter of what other kinds of movies you like and for what reasons. If you like big action movies with archetypical stories, then I'd say it's at least worth a try.
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
No. No it isn't.
Do not listen to this person. I'm watching it right now and it's pretty effing awesome.
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Chino, please get over your love for Avatar. We all know it sucks.
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
No. No it isn't.
Do not listen to this person. I'm watching it right now and it's pretty effing awesome.
How many times have you seen this now?
Also, I've this movie compared to Pocahontas several times...
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Still haven't seen Avatar.
Is it worth my time at all for any reason?
No. No it isn't.
Do not listen to this person. I'm watching it right now and it's pretty effing awesome.
Hoe many times have you seen this now?
Also, I've this movie compared to Pocahontas several times...
(https://www.southernobserver.com/images/hoe.jpg)
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bitches and niggs and sex n' hows
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QUIET YOU!
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(https://gyazo.com/7450cbafafe77d3b48e103eef1402925.png)
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:lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
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Holy lol.
:rollin :rollin
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:(
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Leaked avatar 2 under water footage !!!
https://youtu.be/yu0B66LMk1I
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Leaked avatar 2 under water footage !!!
https://youtu.be/yu0B66LMk1I
I'm not too impressed, but at least it looks like Cameron is using the same FX people.
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It's nice to see that he's going low budget on this one. Perhaps it'll force him to bring in an original plot.
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Whoa! That's so cool! I never would have ima--HEY, WAITAMINNIT...THIS IS SO FAKE! THERE AREN'T ANY BLUE PEOPLE FALLING FROM BALCONIES! >:(
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Just throwing it out there, it would be hilarious if that video went viral and tricked millions of people.
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Just throwing it out there, it would be hilarious if that video went viral and tricked millions of people.
That's what I'm hoping. At least fool them into watching, then proceed to make fun of me and click the thumbs down icon.
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I could share it on my Facebook if you want. If enough people on DTF do so, maybe it'll get the ball rolling.
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I could share it on my Facebook if you want. If enough people on DTF do so, maybe it'll get the ball rolling.
Haha , go for it. I was gonna spam up some avatar boards tomorrow :lol
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You need to pick a better icon for the video so that people will click on it.
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You need to pick a better icon for the video so that people will click on it.
How do I do that ?
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I figured it out. Only gave me three stills too choose from. I'll check it out on my pc tomorrow.
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:rollin :rollin
https://www.avatar-forums.com/avatar-2-news-updates/16537-leaked-test-footage-underwater-scene/
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An entire forum of bigger Avatards than you?
U B Toking... :lol
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An entire forum of bigger Avatards than you?
U B Toking... :lol
I found it funny that he tells me to jump off a bridge because it's fun.... He's obviously never fell from a significant height.
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Um, if I didn't know any better, I'd of guessed he was requesting you to compromise your state of existence.
I think he may of crossed the line, there.
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Omaticaya is a really sensitive 12-year-old.
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I think for the sake of seeing this kid get fired up, several of us should join and start posting in that thread.
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I think for the sake of seeing this kid get fired up, several of us should join and start posting in that thread.
Oh I was already thinking about it
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So was I. :lol
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Please do it. Start with something like "I know this is my first post put that's too funny, lulz"
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Too late
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Long time lurker.
Join date: Aug 2011
:lol
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/avatars/Actors/Freddie_Prinze_Jr.jpg)
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:rollin
I saw that lol.
Cover=blown
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Please keep fueling this guys. Make it look like I'm not duplicating accounts.
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Well looks like that's that. Must be the first joke that forum has weathered. :lol
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Why are they taking Avatar so seriously?! "Back handed and tasteless"?? :rollin
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You know, it's tough to be an Avatar fan, having to contend with those damn Smurf fanbois..
That's my best guess. Not that I'm an Avatar fan or anything.
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https://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-discussions/16596-omg/#post375385
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:rollin
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Dear highaerials36,
You have received an infraction at Avatar Forums.
Reason: Deception
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You're not as bright as you think you are. You and you're "friends" have been banned.
Good day.
I just have one thing to say to this:
you're friends
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Wow. You guys couldn't stay members for more than a couple hours? You have to do better. Gain their trust first. Then start trolling without them noticing, and bring the institution down from the inside!
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I only got:
You have been banned for the following reason:
Deceptive practices, troll
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
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I felt depressed when I walked out of the theater because I thought our planet was so ugly compared to Pandora. What a fun, and beautiful, movie. :censored those who say it's 'just another Pocahontas'.
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I'd say it's more "Dances with Smurfs". :neverusethis:
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:censored those who say it's 'just another Pocahontas'.
You essentially just said ":censored you" to dozens of forum members. Not a great way to start out here.
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Damn. We fucked that one up huge.
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I felt depressed when I walked out of the theater because I thought our planet was so ugly compared to Pandora.
What? depressed? That doesn't make any sense to me. Just look around, we have a beautiful planet. And Pandora's landscape is based on the Earth, so we're not missing anything (beautiful trees, lakes, birds (small birds are much easier to deal with than giant birds), luminiscent plants and animals, etc). Besides, we have plenty of cool stuff we enjoy and makes our life easier, instead of having to sleep on trees.
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Instead of crying about how our planet isn't amazing enough for you, join an environmental or conservationist group or something.
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What? depressed? That doesn't make any sense to me. Just look around, we have a beautiful planet. And Pandora's landscape is based on the Earth, so we're not missing anything (beautiful trees, lakes, birds (small birds are much easier to deal with than giant birds), luminiscent plants and animals, etc). Besides, we have plenty of cool stuff we enjoy and makes our life easier, instead of having to sleep on trees.
This. There are countless amazingly beautiful sights to be seen here on our own planet, and the best thing about them is that they're real. You can actually go see many of them for yourself.
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I felt depressed when I walked out of the theater because I thought our planet was so ugly compared to Pandora. What a fun, and beautiful, movie. :censored those who say it's 'just another Pocahontas'.
It's more like Pocahontas, Fern Gully and Dances with Wolves.
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Wait, people actually thought this movie was good?
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Wait, people actually thought this movie was good?
See: Chino
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Wait, people actually thought this movie was good?
Somehow, yes. I don't get it either.
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Huh, I thought it was a common understanding that this movie was a one-trick pony with the occasional fancy 3-D visual that wouldn't stand the test of time and probably be forgotten 30 minutes after the first viewing.
Oh well, opinions n' stuff, I guess. Imbeciles.
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No, I think the film has actually had more staying power than that. Maybe not for me personally, but the wide praise of the film is evidence enough of that.
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The praise is undeserved.
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I never said it wasn't, just that the movie remains surprisingly well-received.
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These last few posts made me angry, and now I am unable to go to bed.
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These last few posts made me angry, and now I am unable to go to bed.
Damn! Someone has a different opinion!
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These last few posts made me angry, and now I am unable to go to bed.
Damn! Someone has a different opinion!
I remember this one time a person had an opinion that contradicted my own. I'm still waiting for them to die in a horrific manner.
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I saw we take revenge by spamming their forum.
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Yes. I don't think I got an IP ban so I could make another account. :lol
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Alright. But there'll have to be at least 5 of us at one. :D
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I'm always up for trolling fans of this mediocre film. What's the site?
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It's been almost two years since they released Avatar and I still occasionally catch myself thinking "Oh my God, they called it unobtainium."
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Yes I am trusting wiki...
"Since the late 1950s,[1][2] aerospace engineers have used the term "unobtainium" when referring to unusual or costly materials, or when theoretically considering a material perfect for their needs in all respects, except that it does not exist. By the 1990s, the term was in wide use, even in formal engineering papers such as "Towards unobtainium [new composite materials for space applications]."[3] The word unobtainium may well have been coined in the aerospace industry to refer to materials capable of withstanding the extreme temperatures expected in reentry. Aerospace engineers are frequently tempted to design aircraft which require parts with strength or resilience beyond that of currently available materials."
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Where was this?
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He listed wiki as the fifth word of his post.
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lol
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James Cameron talks Avatar MMO and other things regarding games and sequels.
https://games.ign.com/articles/119/1196331p1.html
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Avatar is on HBO right now. I am watching. Itsnat the part right before Jake gets introduced to the night time of Pandora..... I can't wait!
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I just blue myself
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James Cameron talks Avatar MMO
(https://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10482275.jpg)
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haha shiiiit
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James Cameron talks Avatar MMO and other things regarding games and sequels.
https://games.ign.com/articles/119/1196331p1.html
Some of the things he said in this interview was absolutely fucking retarded. Comparing how we implemented color TV to become standard to how he wants 3D to become standard is absolutely stupid. Color makes sense, because there are things you just can't get at all from a movie being in black and white. But for 3D? You just get that extra dimension for pure immersion, which honestly is not necessary for any movie that isn't a roller-coaster ride through mediocre action sequences and stunning visual effects.
(No seriously, would YOU REALLY want to see Requiem for a Dream in 3D?)
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^^
So turn off the 3D and watch it in 2D. So what if they make stuff in 3D? Nobody is forcing you to watch it in 3D. So what's so bad about giving people viewing options?
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As long as its done properly, I prefer 3D in regards to everything.
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Now I still haven't seen this movie and I bet I never wiiiill.
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Came across this on iTunes this morning, I almost bought it.
(https://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8797/imageqlz.jpg)
(https://184.173.215.155/~fishscal/bb/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Bless_Avatar_Ex1_450px.jpg)
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lol
his face is not proportional to the avatar face, is that why you didn't buy it? :neverusethis:
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NOOOOOOOO! NO NO NO NO NOOOOOO!!
https://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/avatar-2-release-delayed-until-2016-says-produce/257476
My whole fucking next four years are ruined!
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I am okay with this. (https://puu.sh/g2C7)
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Avatar is one of the worst films.
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Which movies will Avatar 2 ripoff? Peter Pan? Aladdin? :biggrin:
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Which movies will Avatar 2 ripoff? Peter Pan? Aladdin? :biggrin:
Weekend at Bernies......
2.
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I can't wait to see what everyone says when the final two movies do just as well as the first, with no similarities to other films.
Avatar is one of the worst films.
Your one of the worst humans.
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Yeah, but why exactly did Avatar do so well?
The visual part. It was something new, "never seen before", the big project by James Cameron, who is after all one of the most popular directors out there. The fact that it was one of the most expensive movies to make, the whole "fuzz" that started before the movie had even come out, but the visual part was obviously the big interesting thing about the movie.
The fact that it had a script that a 10 year old could have written, or the fact that 90% of it was stolen from Pocahontas, that wasn't really a problem, cause hey "the movie has visual effects!". ;)
I think that most people will agree with me when I say that it's quite obvious that the second movie will do well on cinemas. No matter how shit or good it will be, the amount of people that saw the first movie, it's quite obviously that a new movie will attract people. The third is hard to say now already, because if the second movie turns out a big flop, many people might ignore it for those reasons.
I think Avatar is a mediocre movie at best. Visually it's a cool movie, but some of the things in the script just made me go facepalm about it, and that might be because I'm not an American, but some of it was just too American for my taste. All the patriot-bullshit here and there, some of the lines were just cheesy. I might watch the second movie on cinema when it comes, it's too early to say, but it wouldn't be one of those movies I see because I think they will be awesome. Cool visually (and probably worth the cinema-fee just for that), but Cameron better come up with a better script.
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I can't wait to see what everyone says when the final two movies do just as well as the first, with no similarities to other films.
Avatar is one of the worst films.
Your one of the worst humans.
HE DIDN'T MEAN IT CHINO
HE DIDN'T MEAN IT
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Saying it's the worst movie makes about as much sense as saying it's the best movie.
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Avatar is one of the worst films.
Your one of the worst humans.
My one of the worst humans? Okay.
Avatar is a bad film. It tells an incredibly generic story that seems interesting because of the visuals. It invokes countless cliches and tropes, only to be lauded as revolutionary because of the CGI. I'm not saying the CGI wasn't impressive; it was. But if you peel away the visuals, you're left with a cliche story with a face-palmingly prominent moral and a romantic subplot that somehow finds a way to be unsettling in spite of its predictability.
Titanic affirmed Cameron's suspicion that a visual spectacle would make audiences forget that they weren't watching anything of substance, and Avatar was, for my money, Titanic Part II.
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I'd go see Avatar 2. I didn't think that highly of the first one, but it was good, and fun, at least.
I'm about one of the most furrow-browed movie watchers out there. Generally speaking, I won't watch a movie unless I genuinely think it has a chance of becoming one of my favourite movies.
Avatar didn't deliver, but it was enjoyable enough and distinct enough an experience that I would want to see the second, which is an exception to my normal watching habits.
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Avatar is one of the worst films.
Your one of the worst humans.
My one of the worst humans? Okay.
Avatar is a bad film. It tells an incredibly generic story that seems interesting because of the visuals. It invokes countless cliches and tropes, only to be lauded as revolutionary because of the CGI. I'm not saying the CGI wasn't impressive; it was. But if you peel away the visuals, you're left with a cliche story with a face-palmingly prominent moral and a romantic subplot that somehow finds a way to be unsettling in spite of its predictability.
Titanic affirmed Cameron's suspicion that a visual spectacle would make audiences forget that they weren't watching anything of substance, and Avatar was, for my money, Titanic Part II.
Here's my thing. If you want strictly an awesome story, go read an awesome book. The entire point of a movie is to visually entertain the viewer. If that were not the case, we wouldn't need movies. Just for laughs, lets take the movies Short Circuit and Short Circuit 2. I am sure many people here, including myself, really enjoy those movies. Now, let us pretend Jonny V's character was played by a guy in a carboard suite. The movie would not have been anywhere near as good, even with the same exact story. Visuals are more than a gimmick that movies use entertain the viewer, it allows the people watching to connect and feel as though they are part of the movie. Avatar didn't just have awesome visuals. Avatar had awesome visuals that brought James Cameron's vision of this unknown world into reality. Pandora isn't just a bunch of pretty shit that is nice to look at. It's a world that goes beyond the imagination of anything we had seen to this day. Really break the world down, and you will see that everything in the world exists for a reason, and thousands of hours went into the creation of something that you forget is fake by the end of the movie. The creatures, the machines, the scenary, the language, the emotions, and the sheer fun factor, are all elements that make Avatar one of the greatest movies of all time. A new language full of rules was created from scratch. An entire food chain and ecosystem, along with evidence of it's own evolutionary routes, was created in unbelievable detail. The thousands upon thousands of minute details that went into Avatar's creation is was makes me extremely appreciative of what it is. I'm not saying, nor did I ever say, that the story of Avatar was the greatest thing ever. My point is that a movie is not suppose to be critiqued based on the story line alone, that's why it is a movie and not a book.
My big gripe with Avatar is that there were 40+ minutes of deleted scenes. A lot of these scenes contained a great deal of back story and insite, that I believe not only enhanced the story, but also would have made it not as similar (as a whole) to prior movies. There were plenty of things brought to light that would have connected the viewers to the characters even more than they did originally.
Titanic affirmed Cameron's suspicion that a visual spectacle would make audiences forget that they weren't watching anything of substance, and Avatar was, for my money, Titanic Part II.
That's a bullshit argument. If you have the capability, why would you not make Titanic look as jaw dropping as possible. Go watch the black and white Titanic movie from the 1950's and tell me it was anywhere near what James Cameron did. How did Titanic have no substance? Even without the love story, it still showed many aspects of it's short voyage. We got to see all the classes, Titanic leaving the dock, the discrimination, the panic, the inequality, etc.... It was still a very informative movie that was extremely well done. It allowed people to see and feel something that they otherwise never would have been able to.
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On the same note, without a good story, visuals don't mean much. I saw Avatar, and while it wasn't terrible, I wouldn't go out of my way to see it again whether it be buying it or renting it. The visuals are important yes, but not enough to sell the whole ticket.
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^ That. A truly great filmmaker recognizes that while film is a visual art, it cannot stand on that basis alone. That is why George Lucas will never be a great filmmaker.
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Which movies will Avatar 2 ripoff? Peter Pan? Aladdin? :biggrin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas_2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas_2)
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Which movies will Avatar 2 ripoff? Peter Pan? Aladdin? :biggrin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas_2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas_2)
:rollin
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^ That. A truly great filmmaker recognizes that while film is a visual art, it cannot stand on that basis alone. That is why George Lucas will never be a great filmmaker.
Even if visual spectacle and imaginative environments are the most important things in movies, as Chino suggests (pro-tip: they are not), Star Wars is far more creative and revolutionary. The Pandora universe is stifled and derivative; every single one of these new animals are amalgamations of animals we see on Earth every day.
If I'm going to turn off my brain and gawk at colors for three hours, I'd rather be watching Lucas.
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All anyone ever says about Avatar is that it's unoriginal. Is that really enough to say it's a god awful movie? What if we compare it to real shit like The Phantom Menace and The Last Airbender? It can't be nearly as bad. I don't remember it failing at the movie basics.
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Here's my thing. If you want strictly an awesome story, go read an awesome book. The entire point of a movie is to visually entertain the viewer. If that were not the case, we wouldn't need movies.
I believe this is a flawed premise, which if true would certainly make Avatar a great movie. I loved the visuals, especially in 3D.
I think a more accurate description of what a movie is would be: "Entertains viewers through visuals and audio". The operative word being "entertain". People place different weight on the components of a movie which entertain them. You find entertainment in pretty visuals. Others may place quite a bit of weight on story, character development, thought-provoking ideas, sound, etc. If someone puts little weight on visuals and a large weight on original story, they probably wouldn't enjoy Avatar very much. Doesn't make either of you wrong, it simply means you have different tastes.
However, I am looking forward to the sequel though and hope it has a more original and less predictable story.
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I really hated the story in Avatar, not because it was unoriginal (many of the best-told stories are entirely unoriginal), but partly because the "white guilt" template is not something I was ever fond of. If a movie is going to be preachy, it needs to earn it (The Empire Strikes Back is an example), and I never felt like Avatar really earned anything. Goddammit, I want to punch every single character in that movie in the face. I actually laughed during the whole burning of the hometree part, not because it was inherently funny--it shouldn't have been--but because belaboring the point for a five fucking minute sequence is just overdoing it, forced storytelling at its very worst. Show us the attack, show us the aftermath, but you don't have to dwell on every single aspect of the atrocity. It's like the filmmakers were shouting "CARE ABOUT THIS, PEOPLE!"
Ironically, District 9, which was arguably even more preachy and had a somewhat similar premise (mostly the "capitalism = evil" part), earned it. Seriously. My mind was blown by every minute of that film, until the ending, where it broke down a bit but was still strong enough not to affect the overall quality of the movie. It wasn't subtle either, and yeah, I hated the protagonist, but it pulled me in every direction it wanted to and for the most part did it skillfully and naturally. I forgot I was watching a movie. With Avatar, I was reminded every ten seconds.
But here's the worst part: everyone says it's a great-looking movie, and all I see is Lisa Frank CGI vomit. Like the Star Wars prequels, it has a repulsive visual style, so any technical wizardry falls flat. What are people seeing, exactly? The world just seems shallow, full of unrealistic and unbelievable colors. I guess to get sold on it, I'd have to believe it's natural, but I never do. The whole thing looks damn fake to me, and since it's going for realism (unlike, say, a Pixar film), that's a huge problem.
What is it about this visual style that people like?
If you want to LOOK at a movie, you're better off with, I don't know, a Stanley Kubrick film. Something remotely interesting. If you want to look at CGI, there are plenty of options for that too.
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All anyone ever says about Avatar is that it's unoriginal. Is that really enough to say it's a god awful movie? What if we compare it to real shit like The Phantom Menace and The Last Airbender? It can't be nearly as bad. I don't remember it failing at the movie basics.
The word "unobtainium" makes me cringe almost as much as Hayden's acting.
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But here's the worst part: everyone says it's a great-looking movie, and all I see is Lisa Frank CGI vomit. Like the Star Wars prequels, it has a repulsive visual style, so any technical wizardry falls flat. What are people seeing, exactly? The world just seems shallow, full of unrealistic and unbelievable colors. I guess to get sold on it, I'd have to believe it's natural, but I never do. The whole thing looks damn fake to me, and since it's going for realism (unlike, say, a Pixar film), that's a huge problem.
What exactly was not believable or unrealistic?
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But here's the worst part: everyone says it's a great-looking movie, and all I see is Lisa Frank CGI vomit. Like the Star Wars prequels, it has a repulsive visual style, so any technical wizardry falls flat. What are people seeing, exactly? The world just seems shallow, full of unrealistic and unbelievable colors. I guess to get sold on it, I'd have to believe it's natural, but I never do. The whole thing looks damn fake to me, and since it's going for realism (unlike, say, a Pixar film), that's a huge problem.
What exactly was not believable or unrealistic?
The colors. The way the creatures move. The Na'vi are still uncanny valley.
Does this bring down the movie? Of course not. I think the plot, script, pacing, etc. bring down the movie. It's just that it doesn't look any more revolutionary to me than the Star Wars prequels; it's certainly not any more believable. What does it do that hadn't already been done by that point?
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I just wanted to say that Uncanny Valley is fucking gorgeous in the Fall. Anyone who hasn't been there during said season really should check it out.
Avatar was enjoyable.
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All anyone ever says about Avatar is that it's unoriginal. Is that really enough to say it's a god awful movie? What if we compare it to real shit like The Phantom Menace and The Last Airbender? It can't be nearly as bad. I don't remember it failing at the movie basics.
The word "unobtainium" makes me cringe almost as much as Hayden's acting.
Unobtanium has been a science fiction thing for long before Avatar.
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All anyone ever says about Avatar is that it's unoriginal. Is that really enough to say it's a god awful movie? What if we compare it to real shit like The Phantom Menace and The Last Airbender? It can't be nearly as bad. I don't remember it failing at the movie basics.
The word "unobtainium" makes me cringe almost as much as Hayden's acting.
Unobtanium has been a science fiction thing for long before Avatar.
From Wikipedia
Since the late 1950s,aerospace engineers have used the term "unobtainium" when referring to unusual or costly materials, or when theoretically considering a material perfect for their needs in all respects, except that it does not exist.
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Kind of a poor choice of words on Cameron's part even if it is somewhat used. For the many of us who didn't know that fact it came off incredibly goofy.
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Kind of a poor choice of words on Cameron's part even if it is somewhat used. For the many of us who didn't know that fact it came off incredibly goofy.
This. I'd imagine the vast majority of people who readily know that word today, apart from aerospace engineers, are Avatar apologists.
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Yeah, I mean I knew where the word came from so I never had an issue with it, but it was definitely a poor choice.
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But here's the worst part: everyone says it's a great-looking movie, and all I see is Lisa Frank CGI vomit. Like the Star Wars prequels, it has a repulsive visual style, so any technical wizardry falls flat. What are people seeing, exactly? The world just seems shallow, full of unrealistic and unbelievable colors. I guess to get sold on it, I'd have to believe it's natural, but I never do. The whole thing looks damn fake to me, and since it's going for realism (unlike, say, a Pixar film), that's a huge problem.
What exactly was not believable or unrealistic?
The colors. The way the creatures move.
Are you describing Pandora or the Great Barrier Reef?
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Chino have you seen this review?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA&feature=g-vrec&context=G28f396fRVAAAAAAAABg
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:corn :corn :corn
https://www.totalfilm.com/news/james-cameron-gives-update-on-avatar-sequels
“I'm deep into it and I'm living in Pandora right now. There is that start up torque where you feel it's coming to you. Then you build up momentum. That's when it gets fun. The characters talk and it's writing itself. I'm almost there right now. It's building fast.”
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Still takes 3 years to shoot though :P
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More like 3 years of post production. In a movie like Avatar, there isn't really much to shoot.
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Avatar - 8.8 (Great) - 26th best movie I've seen.
Not for the storyline used countless times before, but for being as immersive as it was. This time the tech enhanced the story instead of cluttering it. Pulling this movie off impressed me and that earnes it a 8.8.
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Man, this movie is awful.
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I can see how people don't think the movie is amazing or how people don't like it. But I can't see how people say it's completely awful. To me it's just kind of there in the middle. It does nothing new while not really failing at anything either. JC plays it off like it's going to revolutionize movie making like Star Wars, but I'm sure in 30 years, it'll be forgotten.
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Man, this movie is awful.
Your face is awful.
JC plays it off like it's going to revolutionize movie making like Star Wars, but I'm sure in 30 years, it'll be forgotten.
I think you are mistaken on that one.
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I may very well be wrong, but in today's world where the blockbuster movie is pretty common, I just don't see it happening. What says it'll be remembered any more than Nolan's Batman series, the Avengers, Twilight, Harry Potter, etc. Sure, it might be remembered by those who were alive when it came out, but Hollywood is putting out so much right now, the market is so saturated, that no matter how good a movie is, there's no way it'll be remembered on a level akin to Star Wars years from now.
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I can see how people don't think the movie is amazing or how people don't like it. But I can't see how people say it's completely awful. To me it's just kind of there in the middle. It does nothing new while not really failing at anything either. JC plays it off like it's going to revolutionize movie making like Star Wars, but I'm sure in 30 years, it'll be forgotten.
It felt like a "made-for-the-masses" movie. Sometimes I like those types, sometimes I don't. This time I didn't, and I had a little buyer's remorse.
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Fair enough. It was a made-for-the-masses movie. That's the kind of movie JC likes to make.
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Fair enough. It was a made-for-the-masses movie. That's the kind of movie JC likes to make.
You ever see RedLetterMedia's Plinkett Review for Avatar? I have a few minor disagreements with it, but that review sums up how I felt when I walked out of the theater.
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I walked out of the theater ten times and felt the same every time.
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I walked out of the theater ten times and felt the same every time.
You saw it TEN times?
Yo, let me find my doc's number for you...it's around here somewhere...
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You ever see RedLetterMedia's Plinkett Review for Avatar? I have a few minor disagreements with it, but that review sums up how I felt when I walked out of the theater.
I'm a huge fan of RedLetterMedia. I watch all their shows! (Save for dubbed Plinkett animation nonsense lol)
I walked out of the theater ten times and felt the same every time.
And that's good! I won't criticize you liking the movie. I just don't see it being remembered.
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Yeah, so you know how I feel about Avatar, then.
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Got a present in the mail today! 3D TV won't be here until Thursday or Friday though :(
#firstworldproblems
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Enjoy all 2 actual 3D scenes in that movie.
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Ummm what?
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When I saw it I could only remember very few scenes that actually had 3D depth in it. The only one that I really remember is the sleep pod chamber in the beginning.
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When I saw it I could only remember very few scenes that actually had 3D depth in it. The only one that I really remember is the sleep pod chamber in the beginning.
Your eyes must not work then because it's easily (with the exception of Life of Pi being on par with it) the best use of 3D to date.
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Chino would know, he's checked 300 times.
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Chino would know, he's checked 300 times.
Only?
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Got the 6 disc (at least I think there's 6..) blu-ray set and loving it.
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Got the 6 disc (at least I think there's 6..) blu-ray set and loving it.
I'm not aware of any 6 disc set ?!
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"Extended Collectors 6 Disc Edition"
(https://oi41.tinypic.com/k11dk.jpg)
Contains the theatrical version, an extended edition and an even more extended edition. Then there's like a ridiculous amount of bnus material and "making of" stuff. And like 40 minutes of deleted scenes (CGI notat allfinished though it's only half interesting.)
The whole thing is pretty f'ing sweet though.
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I have that too but it's only 3 discs....
I don't even see your edition on the official Avatar website.
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I bought it from this swedish site called CDON.
https://cdon.se/film/avatar_-_extended_collector%27s_edition_%286_disc%29_%28dvd_%2b_blu-ray%29-12217539 (https://cdon.se/film/avatar_-_extended_collector%27s_edition_%286_disc%29_%28dvd_%2b_blu-ray%29-12217539)
By readig here and remembering stuff I think we it's pretty much the same stuff but with 3 blu-ray discs and then 3 DVDs with what I actually think is the same stuff.. But I'm stuff really happy with the purchase.
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So this movie is still the worst thing since Hitler.
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Cool story bro.
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JC plays it off like it's going to revolutionize movie making like Star Wars, but I'm sure in 30 years, it'll be forgotten.
It pretty much already has been by most. Not that it doesn't have its share of hardcore fans, but it never really pervaded the mainstream on anywhere near the scale that Star Wars (or any other major, successful movie franchise) has, and I don't really see that happening. Yeah, the sequel will make a boatload of money and put a bunch of people in theaters. But I don't see it really giving a huge longterm boost to the franchise as a whole. Could be wrong, but that's how I see it. I think it'll go the way of the Transformer movies and be remembered as "just another string of blockbuster summer movies with neat visual effects."
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Avatar is far superior to Transformers.
At least Avatar *tried* to have a plot, even if it was a familiar trope.
Besides - sometimes films are more enjoyable when you know what's coming and you're waiting for the big battle at the end.
[ i know how this sounds but I can't really explain it...the anticipation maybe ? seeing how the big bad boss will be offed ]
I thought Avatar built really well and had great pacing. It was a long film but I didn't feel like it sagged at any point.
The 3D was really well used and wasn't intrusive in any way. And the cinematography and direction were both great.
It was spectacular and was a great fun ride whereas Transformers was primarily just action from a hack director.
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Yes, but instead of explosions excusing bad writing, they used beautiful CGI. Doesn't change the fact that dazzle was used to cover up glancing flaws.
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Yes but instead of "writing" a new Transformers film overnight which is apparently what happened on the last two - Cameron worked on
the idea for Avatar in the 12 years since he finished Titanic.
He actually waited 12 years to make it so the technology would exist to make it the way he envisioned it.
He originally wanted to make it right after Titanic but waited 12 years for the tech to catch up.
Can't really see Michael Bay waiting 12 years between Bayformers movies in order to make an action film.
:) You can say what you want but I loved Avatar . It was just an entertaining ride from start to finish and James Cameron is one of my favourite directors for that genre.
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Avatar was a much more competent movie than Transformers though. When you strip them down to the basics, Transformers was awful while Avatar was okay. On the story telling level, Avatar did nothing new; it just took advantage of common techniques that have been perfected over the years. I think that people want to hate Avatar because of how much it's loved by some or how much it was hyped by JC. But it doesn't really deserve the hate it gets.
It pretty much already has been by most. Not that it doesn't have its share of hardcore fans, but it never really pervaded the mainstream on anywhere near the scale that Star Wars (or any other major, successful movie franchise) has, and I don't really see that happening. Yeah, the sequel will make a boatload of money and put a bunch of people in theaters. But I don't see it really giving a huge longterm boost to the franchise as a whole. Could be wrong, but that's how I see it. I think it'll go the way of the Transformer movies and be remembered as "just another string of blockbuster summer movies with neat visual effects."
Yup. And I may have already said this in the thread as well, but to be fair to Avatar, it's unlikely that any film regardless of how good it is will ever have an effect of the film industry like Star Wars because of how over saturated the industry is anyway.
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You're right about the hate.
If that movie had done well instead of being #1 movie of all time I think people would accept it more as a summer blockbuster.
If it had done something like $600m instead of $2.8bn I think it would be like
" hey did you see Avatar ? "
" yeah it was cool "
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Avatar is far superior to Transformers.
At least Avatar *tried* to have a plot, even if it was a familiar trope.
Besides - sometimes films are more enjoyable when you know what's coming and you're waiting for the big battle at the end.
[ i know how this sounds but I can't really explain it...the anticipation maybe ? seeing how the big bad boss will be offed ]
I thought Avatar built really well and had great pacing. It was a long film but I didn't feel like it sagged at any point.
The 3D was really well used and wasn't intrusive in any way. And the cinematography and direction were both great.
It was spectacular and was a great fun ride whereas Transformers was primarily just action from a hack director.
Aside from terms like "far superior" and "spectacular," I mostly agree with everything you just posted. But I still don't think that changes even the slightest bit the fact that I don't see Avatar being long remembered as anything more than your run-of-the-mill special-effects-laden summer blockbuster, ala Transformers, or whatever other similar movie you want to hold up next to it. Was it better than most? Yeah, probably. But that still doesn't change the fact that it will likely be forgotten. Again, it already largely is.
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I think it's probably for the best that there will be so long between Avatar movies.
It'll give people a chance to forget the first movie and when Avatar 2 finally comes out in 2015 or whenever -
- people will be like " oh wow another Avatar ? Oh yeah the 1st one was pretty good actually "
Whereas I think If Avatar 2 came out 2 years after the first one it would have been too soon.
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I think it's probably for the best that there will be so long between Avatar movies.
It'll give people a chance to forget the first movie and when Avatar 2 finally comes out in 2015 or whenever -
- people will be like " oh wow another Avatar ? Oh yeah the 1st one was pretty good actually "
Whereas I think If Avatar 2 came out 2 years after the first one it would have been too soon.
I have to be honest, that doesn't appear to speak much in its favor no matter how you slice it. :lol
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the idea for Avatar in the 12 years since he finished Titanic.
He actually waited 12 years to make it so the technology would exist to make it the way he envisioned it.
While the latter is true it doesn't excuse how flat and uninspired the former is. I mean if you spent 12 years working on a script, storyline, characters, and mythology and come up with what Avatar came out to be it's an incredibly sad "feat" for a filmmaker, especially one of his ilk.
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Not if you hated the 1st one no.
If you're a casual cinema goer who liked the 1st one then it works fine.
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I'm curious if they will bother with a plot for the second movie. I don't really have anything against Cameron as a director, but with Avatar it was all about the visuals and everything else was awful. It's really not that different from the Star Wars prequels except Avatar looked better.
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the idea for Avatar in the 12 years since he finished Titanic.
He actually waited 12 years to make it so the technology would exist to make it the way he envisioned it.
While the latter is true it doesn't excuse how flat and uninspired the former is. I mean if you spent 12 years working on a script, storyline, characters, and mythology and come up with what Avatar came out to be it's an incredibly sad "feat" for a filmmaker, especially one of his ilk.
He obviously didn't spend the entire 12 years writing the plot [ insert joke here ].. But he wrote it after Titanic came out then put it away whilst he did all of his deep sea exploration stuff. When he saw Gollum in the LOTR trilogy he knew the tech was advanced enough. Then he set about creating his own motion capture cameras / 3D cameras / what have you...
Plus i'm sure before Avatar came out he mentioned that it deliberately had a simple plot.
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I'm curious if they will bother with a plot for the second movie. I don't really have anything against Cameron as a director, but with Avatar it was all about the visuals and everything else was awful. It's really not that different from the Star Wars prequels except Avatar looked better.
The thing about TPM is that it looked good for a kid to enjoy and had stupid racist aliens with funny voices but the plot involved tax and trade and treaties which no kid would ever understand so it was pitched all over the place.
*At least* with Avatar's plot - everyone can understand what is going on.
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If the best defense you can come up with is to repeatedly say, "well, at least avatar didn't suck as bad as [movie x]," that really should tell you something. :lol
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*At least* with Avatar's plot - everyone can understand what is going on.
Well, most people have already seen Fern Gully and Pocahontas.
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*At least* with Avatar's plot - everyone can understand what is going on.
Well, most people have already seen Fern Gully and Pocahontas.
But not with blue muppets and flying mountains.
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If the best defense you can come up with is to repeatedly say, "well, at least avatar didn't suck as bad as [movie x]," that really should tell you something. :lol
No because I could tell you in bullet points everything I liked about Avatar but then everyone who hated the movie would just come in and go LOL Smurfahontas With Wolves in Space!!!111ONE!!!111 :neverusethis:
Now - If Avatar resembles Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas and Ferngully; then surely it should follow that all those movies are also the same as *each other*.
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So let me frame this another way: what separates movies with the same general subject is the quality of the telling of that same story. The telling of Avatar doesn't compare to the telling of Dances with Wolves, because there wasn't much tell to begin with.
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Just ordered by 3 disc Extended BR set. My rating of the movie is about 7/10 where I enjoyed it quite a bit and have seen about 3 times since it first came out. Im a sucker for bonus stuff with documentaries, etc.. and couldn't pass a deal on it. I too wasnt aware of the 6 disc set and am very curious to find out how it differs from the 3 disc set.
EDIT: So wait is that 6 set disc just 3 BR disc and 3 DVDs set of the extended edition?
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It easily has the best behind the scenes of any movie I've scene... eight hours of it to boot. Did you see the extended theatrical rerelease?
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I didnt get a chance to see the extended version. Will do so when my set arrives.
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I didnt get a chance to see the extended version. Will do so when my set arrives.
There are a few scenes that I can't believe were left out of the original. The stern beast hunt is fucking awesome.
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^HELL YEAH, OH OH OH!
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The behind-the-scenes for Avatar is great but I don't see anything surpassing the The Lord of the Rings and all its geek goodness any time soon. Factor in all the commentaries that people actually *want* to listen to and it's the ultimate package.
As for extended scenes, the one where T'sutey is asking Jake to return him to Eywa made me cry, as if I needed yet another moment in the film to wipe my eyes.
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As for extended scenes, the one where T'sutey is asking Jake to return him to Eywa made me cry, as if I needed yet another moment in the film to wipe my eyes.
Yes, that scene is actually great. Love the symbolism with the "last shadow" thing too.
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As for extended scenes, the one where T'sutey is asking Jake to return him to Eywa made me cry, as if I needed yet another moment in the film to wipe my eyes.
Yes, that scene is actually great. Love the symbolism with the "last shadow" thing too.
Completely agree. Especially when he said "we were brothers". In terms of unfinished deleted scenes... I'm so upset that they didn't use that scene where all the other people in the Avatar program hopped in their avatars and took over the control room while Max tore it to pieces with that machine. That would have been soooooo sick if fully finished. And let us not forget Jake's "vision quest".
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Yea I think of all the extra stuff the Extended editions for the Lord of the rings movies are my absolute favorite. None of them are boring and the commentaries are hilarious. Which reminds me that I need to pick up the extended Bluray versions of the LOTR movies.
anyone using the upgrade and save offer going on in Best Buy at the moment? I've bought like 20 BRs in the process of handing over my old DVDs and getting a $5 off coupon towards any bluray at the store. The kicker is they've been having these amazing sales on blurays which essentially makes the BRs $5 each. There are several triple and double featured editions as well.
That said, my Avatar 3 disc extended edition BR set arrives tomorrow and I cannot wait.
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I'm watching it in 3D right now! :corn (only for a little while though because I have some final schoolwork to do this afternoon :( )
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I cant stand watching anything on 3D. The glasses give me a headache and I constantly am rubbing my eyes.
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As long as it's done well (very rare), I love it.
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I think the 3D usage in Prometheus was amazing and gave a lot depth & texture to the scenes. Of course doesnt help that I didn't like the movie or that I had a headache after watching it in 3D.
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Well 3D itself isn't natural to watch on a screen. It fucks with our natural depth perception while watching what is essentially a 2D image. It's forcing you to screw up your eyes in order for the effect to work.
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I'm okay with that.
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Chino is willing to suffer for art.
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3D television and cinema will most likely develop into something completely "natural". There has been far more radical changes in how movies are made. Just color image or that the actors started actuallt talking. Those changes were a lot "bigger" than the introduction of 3D and now that the technique is developed (even if it's not perfect yet) I think it won't be too many years before it's as common as high definition or something like that.
They just have to lose the glasses, that's the main problem for me with 3D right now. And I have seen 3D-without-glasses stuff and it looks awesome. So when they've perfected that technique and put it in a bit larger scale I'm willing to fully accept 3D.
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I'm watching the featurettes of the extended edition of Avatar and all I can say is 'WOW' Just wow. I'm amazed at the technology behind this movie. The extended cut is great too, I liked the addition of showing Earth and other added scenes. I think I like this movie more now than before.
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Woooooo! Fuck yeah! Opposite of shitty! December 2016 is a little longer than I'd like, but it's all good!! I'm so happy to finally have confirmation. I'm really hoping the last one is a prequel!
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-james-cameron-avatar-sequels-20130801,0,6518554.story
“In writing the new films, I’ve come to realize that ‘Avatar’s’ world, story and characters have become even richer than I anticipated, and it became apparent that two films would not be enough to capture everything I wanted to put on screen,” Cameron said in a statement. “And to help me continue to expand this universe, I’m pleased to bring aboard Amanda, Rick, Shane and Josh -- all writers I’ve long admired -- to join me in completing the films’ screenplays.”
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While I enjoyed Avatar, (mostly for the colors) I must say I have very little interest in a sequel.
But, who knows. Maybe it'll be good.
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Cameron has said many times that the 4th one will be a prequel about how humans ended up on Pandora.
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Cameron has said many times that the 4th one will be a prequel about how humans ended up on Pandora.
He's talked about the possibility, but hasn't officially stated it.
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“In writing the new films, I’ve come to realize that ‘Avatar’s’ world, story and characters have become even richer than I anticipated, and it became apparent that two films would not be enough to capture everything I wanted to put on screen,” Cameron said in a statement. “And to help me continue to expand this universe, I’m pleased to bring aboard Amanda, Rick, Shane and Josh -- all writers I’ve long admired -- to join me in completing the films’ screenplays.”
Key word.
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How many times has this been delayed again?
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I still haven't seen this movie.
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It's forcing you to screw up your eyes in order for the effect to work.
Just like pixels on a computer screen, which trick your eyes into seeing a continuous image.
December 2016 will be my freshman year of college, no way I could afford to see Avatar 2.
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I'm not sure how I feel about 3 sequels. I'm not even sure how I feel about any sequel at all. It feels like Avatar should be the only one, but I guess the others will be worth seeing.
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It's forcing you to screw up your eyes in order for the effect to work.
Just like pixels on a computer screen, which trick your eyes into seeing a continuous image.
December 2016 will be my freshman year of college, no way I could afford to see Avatar 2.
Yeah you can. Take it from me. Not that you want to, but you can.
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I'm not sure how I feel about 3 sequels. I'm not even sure how I feel about any sequel at all. It feels like Avatar should be the only one, but I guess the others will be worth seeing.
I really want sequels, and I want them to be insane. I have a feeling they won't be anywhere near as big as the first movie. I feel like a lot of people are going to opt out of seeing it just so they don't have to admit that the first one wasn't good only because it was "Pandora in Space".
I couldn't care less where the story goes. I just want to see every freaking inch of that moon and dive deep into its oceans. The only thing I'd really like to see happen in the story is a glimpse into the first ever encounter of the humans and the Na'vi. I'd be willing to bet my testicles that Jake knocks Neytiri up and we see a 1/4 human:3/4 na'vi being. That'd be pretty cool. A deleted scene that was suppose to be toward the end of the first film hinted at it, but I'm still not sure.
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I reckon that the army will bring back Quaritch as a super-avatar using his DNA. . .
It would be cool to have Stephen Lang in it again.
It seems like Avatar is one of those things you're not supposed to admit to liking and it's just *accepted* that everyone hates it despite everyone going to see it many times.
Like it's just *accepted* that Load was a *shit* album and that U2 *suck* etc etc. . .
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I reckon that the army will bring back Quaritch as a super-avatar using his DNA. . .
It would be cool to have Stephen Lang in it again.
I have an interesting theory on this. If the RDA can make a na'vi/human hybrid controlled by a human driver, they could easily make a human controlled by a human driver. I'm thinking that the Quaritch we saw in the first movie was actually an avatar being driven by him somewhere else. I'm thinking there are multiple RDA bases scattered throughout Pandora and he leads the security teams on all (or most) of them.
If you recall in the first movie, when he met Jake for the first time, he said "I was first recon myself, few years ahead of your. Well, maybe more than a few (and then does this little chuckle thing). Three tours in Nigeria, not a scratch." -- I think this is a little foreshadowing hinting at his return in the sequels. It almost makes it sound like he could be much older than he appears. Think about it. They put people into cryo and fly them at near speed of light for six years. What if the real Quaritch has just been cruising the cosmos at near speed of light while controlling his avatars. The time dilation on the ship would allow him to controller an avatar for decades with only a few months of aging on his body. At the very least it was just his avatar that Neytiri killed and not the real one.
Maybe I'm just over-thinking the hell out of it and a new one will just appear and be all like "hey, I'm a clone, memory and all". I'd be a little disappointed if that happened.
It seems like Avatar is one of those things you're not supposed to admit to liking and it's just *accepted* that everyone hates it despite everyone going to see it many times.
You mean I'm not suppose to tell everyone that I saw it in theaters on ten different occasions, have purchased every release made available, and have a 6'x10' poster from a cinema in my room?
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It's just one of those things that is trendy to bash.
If Avatar made like $350m worldwide - people would be more like - Did you see Avatar ? It was pretty cool !
But now it's the biggest movie of all time - that means you have to slate it and say lol it was pocahontas smurffs with wolveses in spacze !!!!!
You and I don't because we don't pretend to like/dislike something because everyone else appears to.
Vis a Vis Quaritch : that's a cool concept. It sounds like something JC would think up. He did write the first 2 Teeminators so it's not beyond him plus he's getting additional writing help this time around. So the scripts should be a bit better ( even though the first one was deliberately simple - JC said so before the film opened. )
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I hold to my original statement from just after watching it for the first time: "This is probably the best movie experience I've had at the theaters". So no bashing for the point of bashing here.
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I hold to my original statement from just after watching it for the first time: "This is probably the best movie experience I've had at the theaters". So no bashing for the point of bashing here.
This is something that I think a lot of people forget. There are awesome movies that come out that I wait to watch at home from my couch. The movie will have the same effect on me whether I see it in theaters or on my 55". To me, the point of the movie theater is to deliver an experience that my home setup can't replicate. That's why I pay the ridiculous ticket prices. I never understood why movies like The Vow draw so many people to theaters. The theater experience does nothing for that movie other than put it on a huge screen. Avatar was unlike anything I ever witnessed in a movie theater. That's why I went an saw it so many times. It's rare that you get a movie that can be enhanced to that level just by seeing it in Imax.
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:tup Excellent.
Movies like Avatar & Prometheus and Inception and Star Trek Into Darkness are the main reason I even GO to the cinema.
I would never go to the cinema and pay £15 to see " Grown Ups 2 " because it will lose NOTHING on DVD.
Unless you have a giant home 3D TV and cinema sound system in your own home - then Avatar was MADE for the cinema.
It's as much about the *spectacle* as it is about the film itself.
I know some people would argue that " duh - they're just focusing on 3D and CGI instead of story " -
- but some films are awesome BECAUSE of the spectacle. Avatar was a prime example.
I don't go to the cinema to see Waiting for Godot. I go primarily for the experience and the spectacle.
I can't afford to go to the cinema every week to see whatever is out - so when I DO go - you better believe I want to be entertained.
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I hold to my original statement from just after watching it for the first time: "This is probably the best movie experience I've had at the theaters". So no bashing for the point of bashing here.
Clearly you never saw Snakes On A Plane in theaters.
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I hold to my original statement from just after watching it for the first time: "This is probably the best movie experience I've had at the theaters". So no bashing for the point of bashing here.
Clearly you never saw Snakes On A Plane in theaters.
There were two very valid reasons to see Snakes On A Plane in theaters:
1. The risk that by the time it came out on DVD, you'd lose interest and forget, and thus never see it.
2. The experience of being in a large-scale game of "chicken" with everyone else in the theater to see who would "wimp out" and be the first to be overwhelmed by the fear that there actually might be snakes the floor and actually look under your seat just to make sure.
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I reckon that the army will bring back Quaritch as a super-avatar using his DNA. . .
It would be cool to have Stephen Lang in it again.
It seems like Avatar is one of those things you're not supposed to admit to liking and it's just *accepted* that everyone hates it despite everyone going to see it many times.
Like it's just *accepted* that Load was a *shit* album and that U2 *suck* etc etc. . .
It would be cool to have Stephen Lang in ANYTHING again. I like him as an actor...and had no idea he was the same one who played "Ike" in "Tombstone"
(https://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/8/7/2/4/3/7/Stephen-Lang-20280211317.jpeg)
He looks younger now than he did 20-odd years ago!
I'll watch another "Avatar". I just hope the story is a little more enduring. I liked it a lot at the cinema and bought the bluray DVD asap. But after watching it more than four or five times, it became a little boring for me. And that made me sad.
Good story will trump effects for me any day. The triteness started to wear on me. :(
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I hold to my original statement from just after watching it for the first time: "This is probably the best movie experience I've had at the theaters". So no bashing for the point of bashing here.
Clearly you never saw Snakes On A Plane in theaters.
There were two very valid reasons to see Snakes On A Plane in theaters:
1. The risk that by the time it came out on DVD, you'd lose interest and forget, and thus never see it.
2. The experience of being in a large-scale game of "chicken" with everyone else in the theater to see who would "wimp out" and be the first to be overwhelmed by the fear that there actually might be snakes the floor and actually look under your seat just to make sure.
3. Many beers.
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Fair point.
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I couldn't care less where the story goes. I just want to see every freaking inch of that moon and dive deep into its oceans.
Just watch Blue Planet or something.
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...the first one wasn't good only because it was "Pandora in Space".
Nice Freudian slip...though more like a Cameronian slip.
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It's just one of those things that is trendy to bash.
This argument has always amazed me. Like people would really like something, but claim not to like it to be cool.
Meanwhile, Sharknado.
I'm pretty sure that everyone that has criticisms of Avatar (or any other piece of pop culture) really means them.
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No.
It's like when people say they hate oasis but if you dig a little deeper - they like the music but hate the singer.
But it's *cooler* to say you hate oasis so they just go with that.
If you mention Avatar in conversation - you'll most likely get a few " hurr hurr derpy derp Smurfahontas with wolves in space " chucked in.
I've known a few occasions where people have spoken out about how they enjoyed something but all their friends mock them for it so they
start going " actually it was a bit shit wasn't it ? " . . .
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
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I just hate the kind of people that *inform* me that I didn't enjoy something when I did.
" Oh I went to see Avatar last night "
" Oh. Unlucky. "
" Actually, I loved it. "
" Err. Trust me, you didn't "
Oh do fuck off .
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Man, who are you hanging out with?
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
This escapes me.
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No.
It's like when people say they hate oasis but if you dig a little deeper - they like the music but hate the singer.
But it's *cooler* to say you hate oasis so they just go with that.
No, it's *easier* to say that. Because who wants to dig deeper on something they don't like?
I mean, I wouldn't personally use the word "hate" but since that's the word you used, I actually DON'T like the singer for Oasis, even though I like some of their songs, so to shorthand it in conversation and spend time talking about something I don't like, I would say "I hate Oasis." Not because it's "cool". Because it's simple.
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
Avatar is not comparable to the Transformers movies. The biggest problems of Avatar that I hear are that its story is unoriginal and the antagonists are exaggerated caricatures that don't act like human beings. At least it has a coherant story and actually makes you feel emotion (it pulls every trick in the book and is a little cheap, but it works). Transformers is just mindless colors on a screen with an audio onslaught and a few poopoo jokes thrown in for good measure.
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
Avatar is not comparable to the Transformers movies. The biggest problems of Avatar that I hear are that its story is unoriginal and the antagonists are exaggerated caricatures that don't act like human beings. At least it has a coherant story and actually makes you feel emotion (it pulls every trick in the book and is a little cheap, but it works). Transformers is just mindless colors on a screen with an audio onslaught and a few poopoo jokes thrown in for good measure.
Sam's mother is arguably one of the worst characters in a movie... ever. Don't even get me started on the cheesy dialogue and those fucking twin-thug bots.
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No.
It's like when people say they hate oasis but if you dig a little deeper - they like the music but hate the singer.
But it's *cooler* to say you hate oasis so they just go with that.
No, it's *easier* to say that. Because who wants to dig deeper on something they don't like?
I mean, I wouldn't personally use the word "hate" but since that's the word you used, I actually DON'T like the singer for Oasis, even though I like some of their songs, so to shorthand it in conversation and spend time talking about something I don't like, I would say "I hate Oasis." Not because it's "cool". Because it's simple.
Just for the record - I was a HUGE oasis fan in the 90's but always thought Liam was a prick. And he's confirming that on a daily basis :lol
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
This escapes me.
I don't see how. 95% of Pandora is exactly what Earth is. Throw in some glowing plants, goofy hybrid of animals we have here, floating mountains and you have Pandora. There was absolutely nothing introduced about the planet that made me go "wow that's really unique". It's either all rehashed ideas or stuff that literally anyone could've thought up in 15 minutes. People keep lauding Cameron for making the planet realistic and that's really because he did not have to try very hard at all.
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You and I don't because we don't pretend to like/dislike something because everyone else appears to.
Where did this assumption come from?
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That's still a pretty poor argument that, like hef said, does not make a whole lot of sense. From where I stand, it deserves the criticism because at the most it's no better than something like Transformers. All flashy visuals, no or very trite, uninspired story, one-dimensional characters, unimaginative world, really shallow dialogue. It's a popcorn flick, but like me and many others there should 've been something more. If your friends are going to outcast you for saying you liked a movie then I can't help you there.
This escapes me.
I don't see how. 95% of Pandora is exactly what Earth is. Throw in some glowing plants, goofy hybrid of animals we have here, floating mountains and you have Pandora. There was absolutely nothing introduced about the planet that made me go "wow that's really unique". It's either all rehashed ideas or stuff that literally anyone could've thought up in 15 minutes. People keep lauding Cameron for making the planet realistic and that's really because he did not have to try very hard at all.
I suppose you missed the point that the planet itself was alive (more connections than the human brain) and was the god they worshiped?
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To me that fell into the "anyone could've thought that up in 15 minutes" category. I didn't miss the point, it just wasn't really original or interesting.
In fact, it's pretty much just a plot point ripped out of an 1979 Frank Herbert book:
"The planet Pandora itself with its non-human inhabitants is another main character of the book, echoing a strong version of the Gaia Hypothesis. As the book progresses, the reader discovers that the kelp, the hylighters, and other creatures of the planet appear to be linked into a large entity with a shared consciousness, Avata."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Incident
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https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2013/10/first-look-avatar-to-come-to-life-at-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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I received crickets in my post last Saturday;
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39467.msg1695529#msg1695529
I think it looks great, like I expected. The park needs this attention more than anything.
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It easily has the best behind the scenes of any movie I've scene... eight hours of it to boot. Did you see the extended theatrical rerelease?
So I finally got around to watching the 3 hour version of this and I enjoyed the new scenes quite a bit.
Especially the added flying scenes with the Ikran (?) and the scene where Grace explains what happened at the school.
I've only watched Disc 1 so far - leaving Disc 2 for tomorrow night.
Still love it btw. Plus i've not watched it in a long time.
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Hmm... perhaps I'll watch this on my upcoming bus ride to Virginia.
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My favourite added scene is when Jake returns Tsu'tey back to Eywa. Very powerful and emotional.
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My favorite was all the other people in the Avatar program laying waste to the control room.
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I haven't got that far yet. I stuck it on last night but it was already 1:30am when I started so leaving part 2 for this evening. :)
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https://www.reddit.com/user/jamescameronama
Jim Cameron did an AMA yesterday.
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https://www.reddit.com/user/jamescameronama
Jim Cameron did an AMA yesterday.
Looks like he was still active 20 minutes ago. He's so cool! I'm not a big fan, I really like a couple of his movies, but I'm not bothered one way or the other on balance - never seen Avatar, not sure why I clicked this thread. Glad I did, though. Reading his posts, he's a really good communicator. Engaging and chatty, talks as a person rather than as a broadcaster. That's quite refreshing. Even in a question and answer scenario, a lot of people just transmit. Not him - just skimming, at present, but that's a really interesting Q&A. I'm going to read it properly later.
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I'm not sure how many of you know, but: https://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Land
See I'm not a fan of the movie really, but this is something I think will be cool. And that's because Avatar to me really relies on its more visceral features, which to me work for a movie only so far. But for a park this is an awesome idea.
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I shat my pants with excitement when I first read about that a couple years back. I'll be there opening weekend.
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I'm sure you did literally shit your pants. :p
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I had a thought - maybe Chino knows the answer.
If Jake Sully dies in his avatar body - does he die in his human body ?
Or does his consciousness just return to his human body as if he woke up ?
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He probably wakes up in his human body, as seen when Norm gets shot and wakes up. Although I'm not entirely sure he died there, but I think so since there was no other reason for him to wake up. I don't think pain is enough for that.
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I'm fairly certain you see Avatar Norm when they're shepherding the humans off the planet.
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I don't recall that, but perhaps you're right, in which case, I have no idea.
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Your avatar body can be killed and the human driver will live. The brain goes nuts for a little while though. You see Norman still clutching his chest and panicking, after he is shot, even though he'd gotten out of the link and had scurried across the room. The brain needs time to recover depending on the trauma.
As for Norm's avatar body, we don't know what has come of it yet. There are still handful, maybe even a few dozen humans, mostly those in the avatar program, left on Pandora (the Hells Gate region anyway). I'm unsure whether Cameron is going to convert them all to Na'vi like Jake, or if they are going to have to maintain the link rooms. My guess is that they are going to maintain the link rooms. We may never see Norm in avatar form again, but I doubt that.
You see Norman at the end in his human form. His Avatar may still be out of commission from being shot, or possibly just an attempt to reenforce the fact that Jake is now a full-blown na'vi. I'm assuming the Na'vi are going to help the humans fix Norm's avatar with some Pandora medicine or surgery techniques.
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:hefdaddy
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Your avatar body can be killed and the human driver will live. The brain goes nuts for a little while though. You see Norman still clutching his chest and panicking, after he is shot, even though he's gotten out of the link and had scurried across the room. The brain needs time to recover depending on the trauma.
As for Norm's avatar body, we don't know what has come of it yet. There are still handful, maybe even a few dozen humans, mostly those in the avatar program, left on Pandora (the Hells Gate region anyway). I'm unsure whether Cameron is going to convert them all to Na'vi like Jake, or if they are going to have to maintain the link rooms. My guess is that they are going to maintain the link rooms. We may never see Norm in avatar form again, but I doubt that.
You see Norman at the end in his human form. His Avatar may still be out of commission from being shot, or possibly just an attempt to reenforce the fact that Jake is now a full-blown na'vi. I'm assuming the Na'vi are going to help the humans fix Norm's avatar with some Pandora medicine or surgery techniques.
IIRC, one of the aborted sideplots/characters included an avatar who was traumatized because his Na'vi body was eaten alive by something.
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IIRC, one of the aborted sideplots/characters included an avatar who was traumatized because his Na'vi body was eaten alive by something.
I haven't heard that one, but it's entirely plausible. I think it showed what a badass Norm is/may actually may become. Part of me thinks it was in there because Trudy just died and he was on a rampage, but he might just be a closet badass. Even without the extra life of his Avatar body, he threw on an exopack, and headed out into the field with a weapon to fight alongside the Na'vi. We have three more movies to go, and an unknown number of avatar program members (there appears to be many though given the clues), we are going to meet some new faces along the way and dig into their past a bit I'm sure.
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I'm all for two more movies but I think 4 is pushing it. Even if it IS a prequel.
The upside is that they're all 3 of them being filmed as one enormous movie and then released a year apart.
Once they're all done then Jim Cameron can move onto something else - and i'm excited more for whatever that may be.
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Hopefully a 12 part Avatar mini-series on Netflix
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Hopefully a 12 part Avatar mini-series on Netflix
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So, which famous Disney classic will they rip off for the script of Avatar 2? ;)
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So, which famous Disney classic will they rip off for the script of Avatar 2? ;)
Which Disney film did they rip off for Avatar ? Was it the one with a really familiar and simple story that's been told many times before it ?
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Hopefully a 12 part Avatar mini-series on Netflix
No. Once Avatar 4 is done - he should stop doing Avatar and do something completely different.
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Hopefully a 12 part Avatar mini-series on Netflix
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I don't want Jim Cameron to be remembered as the guy who gave us The Terminator, Terminator 2, The Abyss, True Lies, Titanic and then just did Avatar for the rest
of his career. Once Avatar 4 is out - he should do something entirely and completely different.
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So, which famous Disney classic will they rip off for the script of Avatar 2? ;)
Which Disney film did they rip off for Avatar ? Was it the one with a really familiar and simple story that's been told many times before it ?
This and you don't watch Avatar for the story anyway.
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That's a pretty lazy excuse.
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Nobody cared when it was Gravity.
That film has even less story than Avatar and is even MORE about the visuals.
Don't hear anyone complaining.
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Zantera, if you hate Avatar so much, why even post in this thread? I mean, I can see discussing it if it comes up in the movie thread, but why come in this one just to reiterate what you dislike about it?
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Probably so they can go " lol butthurt avatar fanboy " when we give perfectly reasonable answers to their every tired and oft-repeated criticism ;)
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I'm still willing to give the sequels a chance though. Cameron's comments on how story/characters will be more fleshed out in a sequel has me interested. The first movie was okay (with some flaws we've gone through before), but a second movie could be good, if those problems are fixed. So even if I'm not a big fan of the original, a sequel will still be interesting. Cameron is a talented filmmaker, and if he is willing to put ~10-15 years of his life into this franchise, I'm still intrigued to see what he comes up with.
Also, regarding Gravity.. I've actually avoided seeing the movie because of the criticism I've heard for it. A movie might look good visually, but if it has zero substance or depth, that's something that will put me off on watching it.
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Gravity is more of a thematic movie than a narrative movie.
it doesn't have a strong plot but it does have a thematic through line which is very evident in the movie.
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I'm still willing to give the sequels a chance though. Cameron's comments on how story/characters will be more fleshed out in a sequel has me interested. The first movie was okay (with some flaws we've gone through before), but a second movie could be good, if those problems are fixed. So even if I'm not a big fan of the original, a sequel will still be interesting. Cameron is a talented filmmaker, and if he is willing to put ~10-15 years of his life into this franchise, I'm still intrigued to see what he comes up with.
Also, regarding Gravity.. I've actually avoided seeing the movie because of the criticism I've heard for it. A movie might look good visually, but if it has zero substance or depth, that's something that will put me off on watching it.
I don't care for Avatar either Zantera and i bet a 2nd movie will be more of the same.
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:lol That's good if you like Avatar ! More of the same ? Hell yeah !
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Nobody cared when it was Gravity.
That film has even less story than Avatar and is even MORE about the visuals.
Don't hear anyone complaining.
Ahem: https://hoppedonpop.com/2013/11/05/the-worlds-end-gravity-invasion-of-the-persona-snatchers/ (Bottom half of the article)
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People have mentioned it - but it's not a one-note all encompassing criticism like Avatar gets.
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If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty. Some of the stuff was just laughable. I'm sorry, but propelling yourself through space with a fire extiguisher.... fucking stupid. There was nothing in Avatar that was even close to that bad.
I'm really anticipating greatness for the sequels. The story can be taken in a million different directions. One thing I'm really hoping for.... getting to see a more advanced group of natives. We've only seen a very tiny portion of Pandora. Here on Earth, despite our amazing technological advancements, there are still tribes of humans that we’ve yet to make contact with. For all we know, the Na’vi we’ve been introduced to could be on the trailing edge of the Na’vi race. I think it’d be awesome to see groups more advanced with the ability to make war machines and crazy armor.
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Seeing as how Stephen Lang is meant to be in it - i'm thinking it would be cool to have a Quaritch Avatar introduced. Or a Quaritch Na'vi .
That's what i'm thinking will happen. Then Jake has to face off against him all over again - only this time he's even more tough.
Supposedly Sigourney is in it again too. Dunno how that one will work.
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Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.
As for Quaritch, I don’t know what to expect. Bringing him back is going to be challenging without making it seem forced and unrealistic. It’s safe to say that the humans have mastered cloning, especially seeing as they were able to grow an organic life form while mixing DNA from two species that evolved light years apart. I see one of three possible scenarios. 1) Quaritch has a cloned backup body, exactly like the one that was killed, and just has his most recent memories dumped to it. 2) Quaritch, in the first film, was actually an avatar. He controlled himself without actually putting himself in harm’s way. The real Quaritch is somewhere else. 3) They somehow bring him back, and in conjunction with one of the first two things I mentioned, end up getting him into a Na’vi looking avatar in an attempt to pull off what Jake failed to do. I’m hoping they don’t just throw him back into the mix though. Maybe begin to brew that batch in the second movie, and then have him come back full villain in the third movie. Who knows, maybe he’ll just be in the prequel.
Sidebar. It's a stretch, but I'd love to see footage of Earth where they have captured Na'vi on display at a zoo, or something like that.
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If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty.
Alright, well it is my personal opinion, and I'm completely OK with us agreeing to disagree, but I feel exactly the same about Avatar. Well OK, not shitty, just not that good.
I don't hate Avatar; I just think the hype is way overblown.
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If you took the visuals out of gravity, the movie was pretty shitty.
Alright, well it is my personal opinion, and I'm completely OK with us agreeing to disagree, but I feel exactly the same about Avatar. Well OK, not shitty, just not that good.
I don't hate Avatar; I just think the hype is way overblown.
I wasn't directing that at you.
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Oh, I just figured since I was the one who posted the Gravity article. Nvm then, carry on.
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Bottom line for me personally :
Loved Avatar. Loved the visuals. The movie was obviously *about* the visuals. Yes, the story was simple and a familiar tale told before several times -
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If anything the simple plot made the film way more fun and exciting.
I thought the pacing in the theatrical release of Avatar was great. Every few scenes - the movie would ramp up and continue to build towards the final
battle - which is worth the ticket price alone in my opinion. James Cameron definitely knows how to frame and direct action.
Also - watching the 90 minute making of - you can see just how much work went into making the movie.
Something along the lines of 1 year of pre-production - 1 year of motion capture - 1 year of live action shooting and 1 year of post production.
That made me appreciate it even more seeing all the work that went into it.
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Ditto. I've even gone so far as to watch the movie completely in the volume setting.
Your thought on my predicitions a few posts back?
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Interesting thoughts. I don't think it will be too hocus pocus as Jim Cameron likes to have some semblance of scientific fact.
Still 18 months til we find out though.
All 3 scripts are supposedly finished so I don't know how they're going to finish filming Avatar 2 between now and it's December 2016 release.
What is the volume setting ?
I may have to watch the film again with JC commentary if there is one.
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Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.
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Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.
Well - it has been like 6 or 7 years since the first movie - so they might have significantly sped up the rendering process.
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Yeah :/ there's no chance we get it for December 2016. I'm anticipating a minimum of a year delay.
Well - it has been like 6 or 7 years since the first movie - so they might have significantly sped up the rendering process.
No doubt, but they're filming all three at once. Even if it's not all getting the post production treatment before the Dec 2016 release, that's still a crapload of content to capture. Cameron also said he's looking to do 4K and the high frame rate recording. That's probably going to pose problems just being a new venture and all. My fingers are crossed.
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Well I waited 12 years for the 1st film :lol
Hmm - there doesn't appear to be any commentary track on my 3 disc avatar DVD. :sadface:
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Commentary for what?
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Director's audio commentary.
I'd have listened to that if there was one.
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Hmm. I don't recall ever listening to one if it's on the Blu-ray release.
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Hehe - there's a version of the movie with no bad language though. Ha.
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I've watched it from beginning to end in Spanish.
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Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.
Nah. She'll just be a force ghost. In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father. I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.
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I ran across this link this morning. Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? :)
https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/
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I ran across this link this morning. Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? :)
https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=8953.msg1794362;topicseen#msg1794362
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Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.
Nah. She'll just be a force ghost. In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father. I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.
:rollin :rollin
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Well Grace is with Ewa, and her Avatar body may not have decomposed yet. In the first movie, she said something like “It’s a global network, and the Na’vi can access it. They can upload and download data, memories, at sites like the one you just destroyed”. I’m thinking her memories are with Ewa and will somehow be put into her Avatar. Who knows, maybe someone as important to the Avatar program as Grace gets more than one Avatar in the event one gets killed. Maybe we’ll see a new Grace avatar, with less of the human features, and its body will have her memories downloaded to it by Ewa. Anything can be made up for this really. For example, jake could have some super Na'vi brain, being a mix of the human brain and all, and be able to do things the other Na'vi can't. Maybe he has the ability to extract Grace's thoughts through the Tree of Souls, save them in his brain, connect to Grace's avatar, and then transfer her memories to the body that way. A human element might be needed to tranfer the consciousness. Mo'at did say "her wounds were too great, t'was not enough time. She is with Ewa now". Well, Jake's brain and body are perfectly healty, maybe he can do for Grace what her human body was unable to do.
Nah. She'll just be a force ghost. In the next film, she'll go to the jungle world where Jake is temporarily training under an exiled Navi master, and then in the one after that, she'll appear at the end as a force ghost along with said master and with Jake's father. I'm telling you, that is how it will go down.
It took me too long to get this. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I still don't get it.
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Star Wars?
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Never saw it.
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
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I ran across this link this morning. Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? :)
https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=8953.msg1794362;topicseen#msg1794362
it's a different article..
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
Except natural special effects tend to age better than CGI (budget-dependent. See: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy TV Series, BBC). The non-CGI editions of Star Wars still look gloris.
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
Except natural special effects tend to age better than CGI (budget-dependent. See: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy TV Series, BBC). The non-CGI editions of Star Wars still look gloris.
I can't really but into that. Jurassic Park's CGI will forever go down as one of the best accomplishments in the history of movie making. I am aware that Jurassic Park had a bunch of non-cgi stuff too.
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
Except Star Wars was considered revolutionary, no?
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I ran across this link this morning. Posting just in case Chino hasn't seen and is feeling like changing his pants again. ? :)
https://inhabitat.com/disney-unveils-first-images-of-upcoming-avatar-land-park-inspired-by-pandora/
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=8953.msg1794362;topicseen#msg1794362
it's a different article..
Same images.
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
Except Star Wars was considered revolutionary, no?
Are you implying Avatar wasn't?
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It really wasn't. Star Wars was the first block buster. It changed the way movies were viewed forever. Avatar has done nothing but bring on another fad of 3D that's already lost its luster and is fading out.
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Yeah. Avatar took 4 years to make because it was in 3D.
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Never saw it.
Well, to put it in perspective, the effects in those films were to the late 70's and early 80's what Avatar was to the late 00's. You'd love it.
Except Star Wars was considered revolutionary, no?
Are you implying Avatar wasn't?
Outside of the heavy use of 3D, which as Implode mentioned never really took off, I didn't find anything in the movie that was considered revolutionary. Just another CGI heavy blockbuster.
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Watch the 90 minute making of and report back .
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I won't because I'm wasn't terribly interested in the finished product in the first place.
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Then you can't say it wasn't revolutionary when you know nothing about it.
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Then you can't say it wasn't revolutionary when you know nothing about it.
:tup
I haven't seen the whole doc, but if taking a peek inside the hood is where you have to start in order to figure out what's revolutionary about something, it's probably not revolutionary. You can tell what makes Star Wars great just at face value, it doesn't take any look at the special effects wizardry behind it, even if that is pretty incredible in its own right.
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As frequently happens, Super Dude nailed it.
Look, if you like Avatar, that's cool. But there really isn't anything "revolutionary" about it.
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Then you can't say it wasn't revolutionary when you know nothing about it.
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Revolutionary would imply a change across all of Hollywood. There hasn't been one as a result of Avatar.
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And as also frequently happens...er, I mean...I guess there's a first time for everything, because Orcus nailed it too. :biggrin:
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I'm going to hang that post on my fridge.
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:lol
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Look, if you like Avatar, that's cool. But there really isn't anything "revolutionary" about it.
This exactly.
Hey, it was a fun experience for the most part. But revolutionary?
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I'm with Super Dude, Orcus and Bosk on this. While Avatar certainly instigated the recent 3D fad, to compare it to the original Star Wars film(s) in being revolutionary to the film industry is a stretch.
Except natural special effects tend to age better than CGI (budget-dependent. See: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy TV Series, BBC). The non-CGI editions of Star Wars still look gloris.
I can't really but into that. Jurassic Park's CGI will forever go down as one of the best accomplishments in the history of movie making. I am aware that Jurassic Park had a bunch of non-cgi stuff too.
Actually Grizz is spot-on with that statement, Chino. Natural special effects generally will age better than CGI. That's because CGI shares a common issue with a lot of video games; it's always being improved upon. As a result, most CGI effects that look "incredibly realistic" now will end up becoming incredibly obvious CGI five years later.
Natural special effects, on the other hand, are real/physical. That lends itself to visually holding up down the road... so long as you don't see any of the strings. :biggrin:
I actually just watched Jurassic Park for the first time in years the other day and I noticed that, while the effects were generally awesome, there were also moments where you could really tell it was just CGI. Sure, sometimes it can hold up and have a fair amount of longevity, but it takes a lot more work to pull it off than what most filmmakers do with CGI.
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Well - revolutionary or not - there were brand new cameras and film making techniques invented purely for that movie.
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I wouldn't call it revolutionary....yet.
I think time will tell about 3D. 3D is experiencing a lull because it really *only* looks good when it's done well. Retro-fits (which is what most movies are) aren't nearly as immersive, and don't look nearly as good. Whereas something like Avatar (which was actually filmed in 3D) looked really amazing. For as much as the storyline is massively cookie cutter and contrived, the film actually looks incredible.
Now, ******IF****** real 3D eventually becomes cheaper to make the correct way, then Avatar will become "revolutionary" by default as being the first film that did it.
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Immersive to me isn't like walking around on a set and looking at actors. Immersive to me is actually giving a shit about what is going on.
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i've never seen a retrofitted or post converted 3D film that looked good.
Even James Cameron said that Titanic 3D " wasn't really 3D " because it was converted after the fact.
Post converted 3D just looks like a pop up book and things that are meant to look huge just look tiny.
Best 3D films i've seen :
1.Avatar
2.Prometheus
3.The Hobbit & Desolation of Smaug ( also loved 48fps - but that's a different thread ).
4.Life of Pi - but that was made purely to show off 3D.
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Immersive to me isn't like walking around on a set and looking at actors. Immersive to me is actually giving a shit about what is going on.
Also this. 3D is awesome for sci fi but for any other genre it's kind of redundant.
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Immersive to me isn't like walking around on a set and looking at actors. Immersive to me is actually giving a shit about what is going on.
This guy gets it. :tup
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As frequently happens, Super Dude nailed it.
Look, if you like Avatar, that's cool. But there really isn't anything "revolutionary" about it.
Aaaaand sigged. :biggrin:
Immersive to me isn't like walking around on a set and looking at actors. Immersive to me is actually giving a shit about what is going on.
This guy gets it. :tup
Yep. You really can't oversell how Star Wars, along with the Spielberg films of the time, began a new era of Hollywood films. Before that we had the Silent Era, the Golden Age, and New Hollywood. Star Wars, almost singlehandedly, set off an entire new evolutionary stage in American film history. As in, academics and film historians mark Star Wars as the milestone where the "blockbuster" era begins. More than that, we're only now exiting that stage, almost 40 years later. That's a longer period than the Golden Age itself (1934-1966). As much as Avatar has been a success, it can't quite lay claim to that.
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I think technically Jaws was the first blockbuster (if you are talking about box office numbers).
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Yes it was.
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I think technically Jaws was the first blockbuster (if you are talking about box office numbers).
I didn't know that, interesting. Well regardless, it still fits: Lucas and Spielberg jointly kicked off the style of filmmaking that would launch the blockbuster era.
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Didn't think about Jaws. Good point. And yes, Avatar probably did cause a lot of money and engineering to go into technology for filming, but it hasn't been revolutionary to culture in the same way that Star Wars was. Movies like Jaws and Star Wars changed what types of movies were made. As far as I can tell, Avatar hasn't.
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Hollywood has tried to sell Americans on 3D at least three times: once in the early to mid-50s, once in the 90s, and then starting with Avatar. Each time, the studios that introduced/reintroduce it think this is going to be the time that it works. So far this time around (with the exception of Avatar and to a lesser extent Toy Story 3), the primary function of 3D seems to have been (in most cases, but not all) to artificially hike ticket prices on films that seem certain to sleep or bomb without it.
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Now, if some of that new technology or new kinds of cameras had become commonplace in other movies and that had become somewhat of a new standard, then I guess it could be seen as revolutionary.
Kind of like the Hobbit films and the 48 fps. Yeah, it's a new thing for big budget films. But it's only revolutionary if it catches on and becomes standardized. Otherwise it's just a novelty.
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Watching the coverage of Avatar in BBC's new series The Real History of Science Fiction (Part 2: Space).
It seems apparent in retrospect that it could have been a potentially genius move to keep the storyline both "banal" and "familiar". Mostly because the *primary* focus of the first film is THE WORLD. I mean, possibly more so than any previous film, the world becomes a character in the film. I mean, it's funny, because every single character in that movie is two-dimensional....except the world, which is not. It's a complete reversal of what most stories are.
So, my new attitude about the film is that Cameron was throwing SO MUCH at the audience that was new, surreal, and like nothing anyone had ever seen before, that he had to make the story as absolutely palatable, simple and "baby food" as possible.
Only the sequels will tell if Avatar is truly as groundbreaking and "revolutionary" as it's vying for. But if he develops the story further and takes a few more chances (now that the world is established) then the first movie could simply be viewed as the introduction to the central character...Pandora.
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But what was unique about the world? Pandora did not impress me at all because 90% of it looked exactly like Earth. Even the extra stuff like the floating mountains and glowing plants are such a been there, done that thing. There was nothing about Pandora that makes me think Cameron actually took some serious time thinking up.
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So, my new attitude about the film is that Cameron was throwing SO MUCH at the audience that was new, surreal, and like nothing anyone had ever seen before, that he had to make the story as absolutely palatable, simple and "baby food" as possible.
Not even what orcus said, but even (or especially) if that's true, pretty visuals will only impress me for the first viewing, maybe the second tops. Already by that second time in theaters, I could feel my interest in Pandora waning considerably. Which is funny, in a way - if I'd only seen Avatar once and left it at that, I'd probably be defending it as ardently as Chino, et al right now. Because of that pedestrian storyline with its cardboard characters, it just doesn't hold up after first impressions.
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But what was unique about the world?
Detail and submersion that were completely unprecedented. The submersion may have been all technology...but the detail, not completely. It's like when they put real lining on the inside of the costumes on LOTR. All the actors who wore those costumes said that they were *SO REAL*...even to the point of things the audience would never ever see...that it brought all the performances and the films to a whole new level.
The level of detail and the kaleidoscope of different yet familiar things from our own planet...all thrust into something that people could both view as different and yet relate to.
If you think there wasn't any thought put into Pandora...you're also one of those people that says, "I could write a million dollar pop song! Have you heard how simple and mindless that crap is?"
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But what was unique about the world? Pandora did not impress me at all because 90% of it looked exactly like Earth. Even the extra stuff like the floating mountains and glowing plants are such a been there, done that thing. There was nothing about Pandora that makes me think Cameron actually took some serious time thinking up.
Well most of Pandora was based on real world locations AND the whole point of the movie is - look ! We have a beautiful planet RIGHT HERE that we should be marvelling at / taking care of.
RE : stuff you don't even see. That reminds me of Star Trek Into Darkness behind the scenes where Khan / Spock chase at the end through San Fran - they would build the city in CG - and have reflections in the windows of buildings that aren't even on screen - and you see it for maybe a split second - if at all.
It's crazy level of detail.
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Essentially, Cameron knew that if the world wasn't "real"...as in, the closest thing to virtual reality we've ever seen in a movie theater...the whole movie was dead in the water.
He succeeded in that aspect...and the story took a backseat. Don't get me wrong... If the story had been horrible, it would not have worked either. That's why he went for a story that was "tried and true", familiar, done to death....but it was a formula that had proven repeatedly effective. The story was familiar and safe. Leave the "risks" to the technology, but make the story as A, B, C as possible. The more I think about it, the smarter it seems. But we'll see...
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I agree with you that the simple story made you appreciate the visuals more.
Cameron did indeed say the same thing himself.
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But what was unique about the world? Pandora did not impress me at all because 90% of it looked exactly like Earth. Even the extra stuff like the floating mountains and glowing plants are such a been there, done that thing. There was nothing about Pandora that makes me think Cameron actually took some serious time thinking up.
Well most of Pandora was based on real world locations AND the whole point of the movie is - look ! We have a beautiful planet RIGHT HERE that we should be marvelling at / taking care of.
I'd rather just watch Planet Earth.
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But what was unique about the world? Pandora did not impress me at all because 90% of it looked exactly like Earth. Even the extra stuff like the floating mountains and glowing plants are such a been there, done that thing. There was nothing about Pandora that makes me think Cameron actually took some serious time thinking up.
Well most of Pandora was based on real world locations AND the whole point of the movie is - look ! We have a beautiful planet RIGHT HERE that we should be marvelling at / taking care of.
I'd rather just watch Planet Earth.
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Sometimes I just wish people would acknowledge the art of CGI more and the work behind it. There's really not much that can top a beautiful photograph of nature on earth but to recreate that same photo in CGI and the process behind it is equally amazing to me. Especially when everything starts with zeros and ones. It's art in it's deepest form, to bad stuff like that gets second hand or even ignored when a script or something else sucks. I don't take Avatar so seriously and therefor I just see it for what it is just like Jammindude: A work of art in CGI following the classic story format with a love story, bad guys, save the world and underlying message.
(https://www.hd2wallpapers.com/walls/avatar_pandora_2-HD.jpg)
(https://www.hdwidescreendesktop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/movies-islands-on-pandora-avatar-high-quality-widescreen-hd-wallpaper.jpg)
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But what was unique about the world? Pandora did not impress me at all because 90% of it looked exactly like Earth. Even the extra stuff like the floating mountains and glowing plants are such a been there, done that thing. There was nothing about Pandora that makes me think Cameron actually took some serious time thinking up.
Well most of Pandora was based on real world locations AND the whole point of the movie is - look ! We have a beautiful planet RIGHT HERE that we should be marvelling at / taking care of.
I'd rather just watch Planet Earth.
If they made a fake nature documentary of Pandora, I'd pay good money to see it.
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It seems that some people just love to bitch about the movie no matter what is presented to them.
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It seems that some people just love to bitch about the movie no matter what is presented to them.
Or perhaps we just expect more from the film? I know for a fact that I do. I've always been more interested in the plot and characters of a film than I have the special effects. Sure it's an important element to filmmaking, but without the other two elements, I feel that the film lacks substance. Look at the upcoming Godzilla flick; it appears to have spectacular visuals, but it's immediately clear that the story and (human) characters take precedence. Even if it turns out to be a mess (which I doubt), I immediately hold more respect for that film than Avatar because it attempted to go for the full monty.
Jammindude brought up an excellent point yesterday; if the sequels can actually do something more original with the plot and characters and actually make the Avatar series stand on merits other than its visuals and special effects, then it'd be something revolutionary.
But as it currently stands? Nope, not in my book.
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It seems that some people just love to bitch about the movie no matter what is presented to them.
Or perhaps we just expect more from the film? I know for a fact that I do. I've always been more interested in the plot and characters of a film than I have the special effects. Sure it's an important element to filmmaking, but without the other two elements, I feel that the film lacks substance. Look at the upcoming Godzilla flick; it appears to have spectacular visuals, but it's immediately clear that the story and (human) characters take precedence. Even if it turns out to be a mess (which I doubt), I immediately hold more respect for that film than Avatar because it attempted to go for the full monty.
Jammindude brought up an excellent point yesterday; if the sequels can actually do something more original with the plot and characters and actually make the Avatar series stand on merits other than its visuals and special effects, then it'd be something revolutionary.
But as it currently stands? Nope, not in my book.
This. And yes, Pandora is beautiful, but as Mr. Boom inadvertently raised, what about the actual freakin' planet Earth?
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:p and as two of us replied - that's what the point of the film was.
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It seems that some people just love to bitch about the movie no matter what is presented to them.
Or perhaps we just expect more from the film? I know for a fact that I do. I've always been more interested in the plot and characters of a film than I have the special effects. Sure it's an important element to filmmaking, but without the other two elements, I feel that the film lacks substance. Look at the upcoming Godzilla flick; it appears to have spectacular visuals, but it's immediately clear that the story and (human) characters take precedence. Even if it turns out to be a mess (which I doubt), I immediately hold more respect for that film than Avatar because it attempted to go for the full monty.
Jammindude brought up an excellent point yesterday; if the sequels can actually do something more original with the plot and characters and actually make the Avatar series stand on merits other than its visuals and special effects, then it'd be something revolutionary.
But as it currently stands? Nope, not in my book.
This. And yes, Pandora is beautiful, but as Mr. Boom inadvertently raised, what about the actual freakin' planet Earth?
The actual planet Earth is amazing and something I wish more people in this world would take seriously. I take hours out of every week learning about it, reading about its present and past, watching documentaries, etc.. I love it. But that doesn't mean I can't be captivated by Pandora when I like a little entertainment.
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:p and as two of us replied - that's what the point of the film was.
I think you're missing our point; if you're going to go that route, why not just make it Earth? Why even bother making another planet to act as a metaphor?
Or, if you are going to go that route, why have Pandora in such pristine condition? Is Earth in a state near ruin? If so, then why not show it to us? Hell, I'd actually love that. Cameron did a superb job of showing a nightmarish Earth in brief scenes in the first two Terminator films. They're not even long scenes, but their presence in both films make a big difference to me.
I just think that the metaphor needs more worl- er, universe-building here to work. You need both sides of the coin for it to really work.
For the record, I'm a stickler for these sorts of details because I'm aiming to go into filmmaking. I've been part of an amateur teen film group for the past three years and while our works are hardly great, they've given me more experience and a higher standard of what I want to aim for in a film. That standard bleeds into the films I watch too.
The actual planet Earth is amazing and something I wish more people in this world would take seriously. I take hours out of every week learning about it, reading about it's present and pass, watching documentaries, etc.. I love it. But that doesn't mean I can't be captivated by Pandora when I like a little entertainment.
Fair enough. Pandora is certainly a gorgeous world to look at visually.
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I think they did film scenes at Earth but it didn't make it to the final film. I don't really understand that decision if the whole point was to show the beauty of Pandora versus a devastated Earth. Surely some other scenes could've been cut back to incorporate that if they were worried about the length of the movie.
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I think they did film scenes at Earth but it didn't make it to the final film. I don't really understand that decision if the whole point was to show the beauty of Pandora versus a devastated Earth. Surely some other scenes could've been cut back to incorporate that if they were worried about the length of the movie.
The only Earth scene was the intro. First you see Jake in an apartment. There is a TV on in the background. The news is on and is talking about a zoo whose scientists successfully cloned and brought back a species of tiger that's been extinct for nearly a century (hinting at the advancement in DNA research). We are also given a small glimpse of the state of Jake's city. There are neon and holographic advertisements everywhere, and some people walk around with those germ masks I sometimes used to see Chinese students at my school wearing. You then see Jake in a bar with some friends. He's already in his chair. He wheels over to a guy he saw hit a woman. He ends up beating the hell out of the guy and gets thrown out. Some police guys come across him and he finds out about his brother's death shortly after. The movie then picks up where the theatrical release began. I'm really glad it was left out of the final cut. Part of the reason I love the original release is because, at the time, I had no inclination of what Earth is like in the future. It made the necessity for mining Pandora more of a mystery. I liked just seeing the future technologies though.
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For anyone interested in the theme park. Here is some progress updates/speculation you probably won't see in the media.
https://www.themeparx.com/avatar-land-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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So. Effing. Excited.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/j3fkuaQNGHI?wmode=opaque
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WHY IS HIS EAR MELTING
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I guess that's one place to keep your keys...
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To be honest I'm looking forward to Jim Cameron's Fantastic Voyage remake more than Avatars.
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Avatar has a fantastic story, but very poor visuals that hold it back.
...wait what??
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So, did I understand this correctly that they are shooting *3* sequels at once?
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So, did I understand this correctly that they are shooting *3* sequels at once?
Awww yeah. From a financial standpoint, that's really the only way to do it... at least when you're making a movie like Avatar that doesn't really film in the conventional way.
It's not yet confirmed if they are all sequels. Avatar fans (or avatards as the internet chooses to label us) speculate that the next three movies are going to be the official Avatar trilogy with the 2009 release being the prequel. Others believe that the 2009 release was the first movie of the trilogy and the fourth film will be the prequel. I'm personally hoping that the 4th installment is the prequel. I'd love to get into the nitty gritty of humans discovering Pandora and eventually making the decision to mine it. Getting to see first contact would awesome.
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I was onboard until he mentioned a 4th film. 3 direct sequels of a movie is too many I think.
Unless you can name a film which had three direct sequels where the 4th film was the best one ?
Lethal Weapon 4 ?
Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull ?
Rambo ?
Superman IV The Quest For Peace ?
I'm not counting Star Trek IV since The Motion Picture through Voyage Home were all stand alone movies and only had a loose arc from II - IV.
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To be honest I'm looking forward to Jim Cameron's Fantastic Voyage remake more than Avatars.
When is that supposed to happen? I checked on IMDB and he's booked with Avatar/Terminator stuff until forever. I'm sure it would be great though, he always delivers.
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I was onboard until he mentioned a 4th film. 3 direct sequels of a movie is too many I think.
Unless you can name a film which had three direct sequels where the 4th film was the best one ?
Lethal Weapon 4 ?
Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull ?
Rambo ?
Superman IV The Quest For Peace ?
I'm not counting Star Trek IV since The Motion Picture through Voyage Home were all stand alone movies and only had a loose arc from II - IV.
Rocky IV was my favorite.
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I'm thinking mainly of films where the 4th one was a tacked on film to a trilogy.
It could be good - all three Avatar sequels are being written as one film all with different writers expanding on Jim's original scripts.
Plus he says that each film will not only be a self contained story but will also carry on in the next film.
He says he hates " to be continued " so he's not going to leave any film on a cliffhanger - which I can more than agree with.
I hate really getting into a film and then noticing there's no way they can resolve it in the time remaining and knowing you'll have to wait for the next film.
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I have no problem with that. If I know there is a next part defintely coming, I don't mind cliffhanger endings, especially if it's just a year of waiting.
And I do really like series of things that feels like one big story, so I'm not sure if I'd prefer this 'stand alone' thing over that, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyways.
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This is going to be both. One long story but each part will also have it's own ending.
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I was onboard until he mentioned a 4th film. 3 direct sequels of a movie is too many I think.
Unless you can name a film which had three direct sequels where the 4th film was the best one ?
Lethal Weapon 4 ?
Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull ?
Rambo ?
Superman IV The Quest For Peace ?
I'm not counting Star Trek IV since The Motion Picture through Voyage Home were all stand alone movies and only had a loose arc from II - IV.
I hope you're not implying Lethal Weapon 4 was bad. I agree, it's not the best one, though.
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I only saw it once and wasn't blown away by it. It's definitely the weakest one.
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James Cameron is going to pull a DT and announce that all four films should be considered as one continuous long epic film.
**cough SDOIT cough**
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I don't mind the idea of making several sequels at the same time if there is an overall plan or idea, and the story needs to be told over X amount of movies. Take Lord of the Rings as a good example. Sure, it was based on a book, but they knew how long the story would be, and they structured it perfectly over 3 movies. Avatar feels more like The Matrix to me. It stands well on its own legs and doesn't need a sequel. Obviously sequels will be made (for money reasons), but actually pulling it off is another thing. My comparison to Matrix is basically that everything the first movie sets up, is resolved in the end. Sure, with Matrix some things are set up for the sequels, but in the sequels they had to add in "new" threats and problems, and some of them felt out of place compared to the original.
It's James Cameron, so quality-wise it will probably still be decent or better, but making three movies at once feels a bit redundant. Especially considering the first one was like 6-7 years ago now. And Avatar 2 isn't until 2015 or 2016 right?
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Avatar 2 will be December 2016. I don't know how you can say "It doesn't need a sequel". There are a million questions that could be asked about what happens now. For all we know, the RDA has that moon by the balls. We're lead to believe the humans were on their way home after they were defeated, but for all we know, they might just be heading to another base 1000 miles away. The Na'vi, or at least the ones in the area of the ones we were introduced to, would have no knowledge of this. I guess you could consider the ending to the first film as a resolve, but I don't. I have more questions now than I did before the movie started. I get what you're saying about adding new problems, and I agree, but if the next three movies are being written as an arching trilogy and are being filmed together, I can't imagine much of that story feeling forced. Odds are it's just goin to feel like a nine hour movie.
And most Avatar fans will be happy wherever JC takes the plot. Give me more Pandora. Let me see that ecosystem in full. Show me the oceans, the mountains, the other side of the moon, the other moons, etc. Hell, I'd pay for no story. If JC made a fake Planet Earth series for Pandora, I'd have that on 3D blueray the day it came out.
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I trust JC. He's not the type of director to half ass a sequel primarily to cash in.
He is an absolute perfectionist ( at least with visuals and his way of storytelling - let's not get into yet another discussion about the formulaic plot...)
For me at least - the 12 year wait from Titanic to Avatar was absolutely worth the wait upon seeing that movie for the first time.
I'd wait another 12 years to be that entertained again.
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I trust JC. He's not the type of director to half ass a sequel primarily to cash in.
He is an absolute perfectionist ( at least with visuals and his way of storytelling - let's not get into yet another discussion about the formulaic plot...)
For me at least - the 12 year wait from Titanic to Avatar was absolutely worth the wait upon seeing that movie for the first time.
I'd wait another 12 years to be that entertained again.
I will definitely agree there. Despite the fact that I'm not the biggest fan of Avatar itself because of its rather generic story, I do agree that Cameron is a visionary and not one to half-ass a sequel. Hell, if he can make a leap in quality with the next Avatar film(s) like he did with T2, I'd be pretty damn happy myself.
Heck, while Aliens was more of an action film than its predecessor, Cameron definitely created a more intellectual and character-driven story with it.
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I don't know how you can say "It doesn't need a sequel".
I can't speak for Zantera but the story of those characters wrapped clearly themselves up at the end and there really wasn't much else left. I know you're more interested in the Avatar universe so having lots of nuanced questions makes sense but you could really do that with any movie and doesn't necessarily mean that a full sequel is warranted.
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I agree. If they want to make a sequel or seven, fine, but just based on the story of the first, it doesn't NEED a sequel. The comparison to The Matrix is an apt one.
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My concern is that the fact there are 3 sequels isn't a function of the script, but rather a function of the revenue the studio sees coming out of it.
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My concern is that the fact there are 3 sequels isn't a function of the script, but rather a function of the revenue the studio sees coming out of it.
I'm sure the studio probably wanted three sequels to be out by now too :lol
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I agree. If they want to make a sequel or seven, fine, but just based on the story of the first, it doesn't NEED a sequel. The comparison to The Matrix is an apt one.
Let's just hope that's the extent of the analogy, and Cameron doesn't discover the "power" of biblical analogies like the Wachowski's did.
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We'll see.
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Jim Cameron is a definite atheist so i highly doubt it.
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If JC made a fake Planet Earth series for Pandora, I'd have that on 3D blueray the day it came out.
That would be pretty cool.
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My concern is that the fact there are 3 sequels isn't a function of the script, but rather a function of the revenue the studio sees coming out of it.
This is probably the entire reason the movies are being made.
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Let's not kid ourselves. It's the reason any movie is made.
James Cameron probably had to agree to make three films just to get the first one made.
It's just the way Hollywood apparently operates now.
The Maze Runner just came out and I read on twitter they're already planning the FOURTH fuckin movie.
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Let's not kid ourselves. It's the reason any movie is made.
James Cameron probably had to agree to make three films just to get the first one made.
It's just the way Hollywood apparently operates now.
The Maze Runner just came out and I read on twitter they're already planning the FOURTH fuckin movie.
Hollywood's motto - If it's worth making, it's worth milking.
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I think it's funny when people say " Oh - Avatar sequels - yeah no surprises there ! kerching kerching "
It's like - well yeah ? It's a business after all. Businesses tend to like making money.
That's kind of their point.
I wouldn't be surprised if FOX wanted a bona fide Titanic trilogy :lol
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Obviously money plays a big part of it, and if Avatar had bombed at the box office, there's no way they would have gone into production on three sequels. In the case with Avatar, it's probably a combination of them dropping two trucks of cash on James Cameron's front lawn, and Cameron himself being interested, because after all he spent like half his life developing the first Avatar, so of course he would be interested in seeing where he could go next. He has reached that stage where he can do pretty much whatever he wants with it, and the studio trusts him, so why wouldn't he do it?
The story will really be the interesting part of where they take this. Because you can say what you want about the first movie, some people (like myself) thought the clichéd plot and thin characters brought the movie down, others didn't care about it. Say what you want about it, the first movie wasn't a success because of the plot. It was serviceable, but it was all about the visuals. With the sequels, I don't think they can get away as easily, and this time people expect more, considering the success of the first one. And especially considering they are making not one, not two, but THREE sequels all at once, they really need something special plot-wise to keep the steam going for another three movies. If the second one has a really compelling story and sets up a really interesting scenario for the sequels, this new trilogy could be great, but it all depends on Avatar 2.
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I don't think that money is the reason that Cameron wants to make 3 sequels. I think that money is why the studio will let him make three sequels.
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I don't think that money is the reason that Cameron wants to make 3 sequels. I think that money is why the studio will let him make three sequels.
That's a good way of putting it.
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James Cameron's main motive for this isn't the money. He's far more driven by the fact that he has a platform which allows him to help convince people to take care of this rock.
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If I had spent as long as JC has developing Pandora I would have wanted to make 20 movies.
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:lol :lol Yeah, seriously. These films should be way cheaper to make. The majority of Avatar's budget, outside of marketing, was the R&D costs for the technology. Now that that's already established, it should definitely lighten the financial burden. However, JC has stated he wants to push it further. In the first Avatar, the systems would fail once they started tracking 15 faces/bodies at once. It made scenes with a lot of Na'vi very complicated. I read in an interview that he believes he'll be able to film (record) upwards of 60 Na'vi characters at a time. So who knows. Maybe they won't be cheaper.
Even if you didn't like Avatar, I still recommend "the making of" to people. What JC did in an empty studio is nothing short of amazing. The technology is awesome, and it really makes you realize that a lot more had to go into the movie besides CGI. It's really cool seeing how they captured everything and had a mock up world that came through the virtual camera lenses with the actors in their Na'vi forms.
Also, James Cameron is supposedly filming the sequels at 60FPS and in 4K.
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I don't think that money is the reason that Cameron wants to make 3 sequels. I think that money is why the studio will let him make three sequels.
Yes and no. Everything is a TRILOGY these days. The nu trek cast allegedly had to sign on for three films before 2009 would get made.
Like I said before. Maze Runner has just come out and they're already planning the 4th film.
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If anyone can make a film LOOK great it's Jim Cameron. Plus they're always ENTERTAINING. And that's the main reason I pay £15 to go to the cinema. I want to be ENTERTAINED. I don't pay that much money for an amazing plot and nothing else. And I liked HFR so I'm looking forward to the sequels.
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If anyone can make a film LOOK great it's Jim Cameron. Plus they're always ENTERTAINING. And that's the main reason I pay £15 to go to the cinema. I want to be ENTERTAINED. I don't pay that much money for an amazing plot and nothing else. And I liked HFR so I'm looking forward to the sequels.
I say this all the time. It takes a lot to get me to drop $10.00+ for a ticket in a movie theater. I'm sure movies like The Butler are great, but the experience and feeling of the movie will be exactly the same regardless of where I see it. To get my ass in a theater seat, I need something like Avatar.
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I enjoy the whole experience and then nitpick much later.
How terrible to be telling yourself you won't enjoy it before it's even begun.
I always go in with an open mind. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised - Robocop 2014
- and sometimes not - Die Hard 5 , Total Recall remake.
But I akways go in WANTING to like a film.
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Well, yeah. Why would you go to a movie you don't think you would like?
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People complain about ticket prices, personally I've never gotten that argument, and I'm unemployed and get limited money. If there's a movie coming out that I'm interested in, I will see it. When I have a job, I would have no problem going to the cinema every weekend to be honest, even if it involved seeing a lot of movies I'm just casually interested in.
IMO the experience is always worth it. To me, it makes no difference if it's dumb action schlock or a well written mystery drama. Movie enjoyment overall is more than just visuals. Avatar looked great at the cinema, but I've seen worse looking movies that stayed with me much longer.
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People complain about ticket prices, personally I've never gotten that argument, and I'm unemployed and get limited money. If there's a movie coming out that I'm interested in, I will see it. When I have a job, I would have no problem going to the cinema every weekend to be honest, even if it involved seeing a lot of movies I'm just casually interested in.
IMO the experience is always worth it. To me, it makes no difference if it's dumb action schlock or a well written mystery drama. Movie enjoyment overall is more than just visuals. Avatar looked great at the cinema, but I've seen worse looking movies that stayed with me much longer.
My argument is that those worse looking movies will be on Netflix in about 4 months... which you'll get more than a month of for what a single movie ticket costs.
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Well, yeah. Why would you go to a movie you don't think you would like?
Me and my brother do. We go on 2 for 1 days just for fun.
But it still applies I think. We were both surprised by Robocop.
We may expect it to be bad but won't tell ourselves it was crap
just because we expected it to be.
I'm probably not explaining myself very well. :lol
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That's fuckin' weird.
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That's fuckin' weird.
And this is a problem, becauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee ? :neverusethis:
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Being unemployed must be easier over there than it is over here. I've been unemployed multiple times, and I could never afford to go to movies I didn't think I would like.
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The Avatar sequels have been pushed back at least a year :'(
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The Avatar sequels have been pushed back at least a year :'(
Meh I can wait. I waited 12 years for the first film and I loved it.
I just hope that Jim Cameron doesn't wait too long to do other projects that he starts churning out crap like Ridley Scott is.
I'm more interested in his re-imagining of The Fantastic Voyage.
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The Avatar sequels have been pushed back at least a year :'(
Not a shock. Cameron has never made a deadline before, not sure why we would expect him to do so now.
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The Avatar sequels have been pushed back at least a year :'(
Not a shock. Cameron has never made a deadline before, not sure why we would expect him to do so now.
I never anticipated them to be out on time. To be honest, I bet they don't even make the 2017 release. But hey, an avatard can dream, can't he?
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Dream away.
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I'm 100% fine with this.
Just like JJ Abrams taking his time to do The Force Awakens right by releasing in December and breaking the "Star Wars ALWAYS in May" rule. I'd much rather a director/studio/etc take extra time to get things done than put something out too quickly "just cuz". I think JJ also pushed back Star Trek if I'm not mistaken.
Watching Avatar now it's amazing to think it came out in December 2009 which is basically a lifetime ago when considering the POW POW POW age we live in with regards to how everybody wants everything and they want it yesterday.
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Partly the reason I put Jim Cameron above other directors because he takes his time to make the film he wants to make.
He could have put out Avatar 2 years after Titanic was massive and cashed in but he waited 12 years til the technology allowed to him to make it
how he wanted.
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Some pretty cool news regarding the sequels :corn
https://www.crossmap.com/news/avatar-2-release-date-and-plot-spoilers-james-cameron-clarifies-rumors-regarding-leaving-pandora-z-16668
The plot synopsis has yet to be revealed, but contrary to the previous reports that Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) and the Navi's will embark in another journey to another planet, Avatar 2 will still feature a return to Pandora...just with a slightly different habitat.
As the creator had talked about, it will feature a new environment for them. "We're making up an ocean ecosystem for Pandora. That's gonna have less to do with the deep exploration that I've done than it has to do with my concerns about conservation of Earth's oceans." He said to Coming Soon.
The script is still evolving, but actress, Zoe Saldana, who plays Neytiri already had a brief glimpse of what it's about.
"It was wonderful. Jim took us and gave us a tour of all the reference pictures, telling us the stories. I haven't been able to read the scripts. They're still working on them. We kind of get choked up. [Cameron] gets emotional telling us about the story. I get emotional hearing about it, so I'm looking forward to it." She said to MTV.
https://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/178116/20150224/avatar-2-trailer-official.htm
"It's going to be a lot of new imagery and a lot of new environments and creatures across Pandora. We're blowing it out all over the place. At first I thought I was going to take it onto other worlds as well, in the same solar system, but it turned out not to be necessary," he added. "I mean the Pandora that we have imagined will be a fantasy land that is going to occupy people for decades to come, the way I see it. There's a fair bit of underwater stuff. It's been inaccurately said that the second film takes place underwater. That's not true. There are underwater scenes and surface-water scenes having to do with indigenous ocean cultures that are distributed across the three films."
Aside from the new creatures featured, fans also speculate a new angle in the upcoming movie that involves Jake Sulley having his own family in Pandora.
"We spread it around quite a bit more as we go forward. It's really the story of his family, the family that he creates on Pandora. His extended family. So think of it as a family saga like 'The Godfather,'" said Cameron.
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Cool stuff. I am very much looking forward to these movies.
Only thing I hope is that they won't get too preachy about the ocean-thing mentioned in that first article.
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I'm really hoping the next three movies shine. The fact that they are all being filmed as one massive project is encouraging. It's starting look like Avatar was the practice run for the franchise. They kept the story simple and proved that the technology, the characters, and the environment all worked together as they should. They got the language, the culture, the materials, etc, all sorted out. We were given the backstory of how Jake wound up on Pandora. Now that all that basic stuff is out of the way, Cameron can make a proper trilogy.
It's going to be weird never seeing Jake in his human form again. I'm also curious as to what his offspring will look like. Will his child(ren) have the same human characteristics that his Avatar possessed?
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Yeah I have the same hopes.
I'm also really curious about the 'Jake's extended family' thing. I'm wondering how many years this trilogy will span, or how long after Avatar it picks up. Does this mean that Jake will have a 'Vito Corleone'ish role in these movies, which leads me to wonder if the trilogy will have that shift of character focus that those movies have?
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Yeah I have the same hopes.
I'm also really curious about the 'Jake's extended family' thing. I'm wondering how many years this trilogy will span, or how long after Avatar it picks up. Does this mean that Jake will have a 'Vito Corleone'ish role in these movies, which leads me to wonder if the trilogy will have that shift of character focus that those movies have?
If that's a godfather reference, I don't get it :lol
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we will get to see Jake age and die and old Na'vi. We might even see something paying tribute of Neytiri saying "My grandfather's grandfather was Toruk Makto. Rider of last shadow" in the first film. Maybe we'll see a few generations after Jake's death and hear something similar said about him. It's entirely possible that Jake and Neytiri won't even be the focal point as the story continues.
As for the extended family thing, I've going to assume that will be all family starting Jake's offspring. Who knows though, maybe Cameron is going to somehow get some of Jake's Earth relatives to Pandora and have the RDA use them as leverage.
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Even though you claim to not get my point, it seems that you already have the exact same thoughts that I was trying to explain :lol
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I hope they turn out well.
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I imagine they will. However, I don't expect any of them to come anywhere near the first in terms of dollars earned.
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I would like them to, it would be cool. But I agree in not believing they will.
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Well, the one year delay will not hurt the cross-media integration going on at Walt Disney World. I do not think "AvatarLand" will be done until 2017 at the earliest.
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I can wait.
I waited 12 years for Avatar and was thoroughly entertained.
I know that with J.C. at the helm - it will *AT LEAST* be a fun ride and be technically impressive.
Hey and at least Avatar's simple plot made sense unlike Ridley Scott's Prometheus !
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I think Prometheus makes sense enough if you take your time with it.
On topic, I keep going back in my head to what Chino said yesterday:
... It's starting look like Avatar was the practice run for the franchise .... They kept the story simple and proved that the technology, the characters, and the environment all worked together as they should.
I'm really excited about this aspect, which I'm hoping is true. I love Avatar, but if I had a gun to my head and told to name name a fault, it would be how the story might be a bit used and simple. I'm hoping that Cameron and his team of screenwriters really take enough time to flesh out a great story, which it does sound like they are from everything I have read or heard.
I'm just imagining the world and visuals of Avatar, with a more complex and superior story. It could be a masterpiece.
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I love Avatar *because* of the simple story :dunno:
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Hopefully the sequels will have an interesting story. Less Sam Worthington would help, but I fear that he will remain the protagonist for 3 sequels, and that really sucks. At least Cameron knows how to put a movie together visually, so it should be interesting to see at least.
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I love Avatar *because* of the simple story :dunno:
Yeah. I really don't have a problem with it. However, going forward, I do think Cameron needs to step it up a notch. We've been introduced to the Na'vi and Pandora in the best way. Now it's time to go nuts. I'm assuming the next three movies will provide 9+ hours of content. That's a lot of story telling.
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The best thing is that Cameron says that each film will have a 3 act structure but that there will also be an over-arcing story across all three films.
He says he hates when a film ends on a cliffhanger so each film will have it's own resolution.
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I have confidence that he'll do a great job. I can't wait to see how some of the old characters return. Grace, obviously is being stored within Ewa. I'm curious as to whether her return will be in the form of flashbacks or her memory eventually being successfully transferred into an Avatar. Quaritch on the other hand is going to be a little more interesting. Seeing as they can clone an a Na'vi, I'm guessing humans are even easier at this point. I wonder if the humans can store memories in a computer and then transfer them into a human avatar. That'd be a convinient way to bring him back.
One thing I'd really like to see acknowledged... Ewa can transfer human memory into avatar memory. Will Norman be a permanent Na'vi eventually as well (Grace too for that matter)? What about everyone else in the Avatar program? I'm also wondering if the conflict will involve the RDA again. Do the humans come back right away? I'm thinking we get at least one movie where the main issue involves maybe the side effects of human activity on Pandora (not the humans themselves) and maybe other Na'vi tribes as well. The humans can come back in full force for an epic battle to end the final movie.
If the humans do come back for a decond attempt, I hope Cameron paints it as a desperate attempt by the humans to maintain their population and way of living. Cameron didn't really make that clear in the first movie.
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He says he hates when a film ends on a cliffhanger so each film will have it's own resolution.
I don't agree with that. They're not always good, but it can be great. Like a TV show on a super-massive scale.
The humans can come back in full force for an epic battle to end the final movie.
Yeah, I'm suspecting this to be the final thing as well. Maybe with the first two movies creating and resolving conflicts among the Na'vi tribes, then uniting against the humans.
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The third one needs to be a teamup with Neil Blomkamp to bring the Xenomorphs to encounter the Na'vi.
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The third one needs to be a teamup with Neil Blomkamp to bring the Xenomorphs to encounter the Na'vi.
That could be a really cool and dark (and expensive) fanmade movie.
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What if the Space Jockey in the first Alien movie is actually a Na'vi trying to escape Pandora with a ship full of Alien eggs, and the Avatar movies are prequels to Alien?
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The third one needs to be a teamup with Neil Blomkamp to bring the Xenomorphs to encounter the Na'vi.
Avatars.
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Alien vs. Avatar: Requiem
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The Na'vi would get fucking slaughtered.
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The Na'vi would get fucking slaughtered.
Lol. That's cute.
(https://maquettes.hautetfort.com/media/00/02/2652455624.JPG)
(https://timbox129.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/navi-charging.jpg)
(https://www.avatar-forums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41353&d=1339220356)
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The Na'vi would get fucking slaughtered.
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The Na'vi would get fucking slaughtered.
This. One egg on Pandora and their race would get wiped out.
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Bullshit.
If the humans can beat the aliens, through the transitive property, the Na'vi should beat the aliens too.
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Depends on if you count it as actually "winning". In the first and third movie it's only 1, and in Aliens they basically just fight them off long enough to escape from the planet. If the aliens actually came to earth and nested with eggs, facehuggers and the whole nine yards, the humans would be so screwed.
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Bullshit.
If the humans can beat the aliens, through the transitive property, the Na'vi should beat the aliens too.
The humans can't beat the aliens.
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Yeah my money would be on the Aliens. The ultimate biological killing weapon of the universe. The "perfect predator".
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Awesome footage of the Disney Imagineers and James Cameron creating the world of Pandora for Disney's Animal Kingdom. Render me curious if not excited. That artwork of the floating mountains looks amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQm4B2UYGY8
EDIT:
There's a blog post from one of the head Imagineers about this
https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2015/02/bringing-the-world-of-avatar-to-life-at-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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I have confidence that he'll do a great job. I can't wait to see how some of the old characters return. Grace, obviously is being stored within Ewa. I'm curious as to whether her return will be in the form of flashbacks or her memory eventually being successfully transferred into an Avatar. Quaritch on the other hand is going to be a little more interesting. Seeing as they can clone an a Na'vi, I'm guessing humans are even easier at this point. I wonder if the humans can store memories in a computer and then transfer them into a human avatar. That'd be a convinient way to bring him back.
One thing I'd really like to see acknowledged... Ewa can transfer human memory into avatar memory. Will Norman be a permanent Na'vi eventually as well (Grace too for that matter)? What about everyone else in the Avatar program? I'm also wondering if the conflict will involve the RDA again. Do the humans come back right away? I'm thinking we get at least one movie where the main issue involves maybe the side effects of human activity on Pandora (not the humans themselves) and maybe other Na'vi tribes as well. The humans can come back in full force for an epic battle to end the final movie.
If the humans do come back for a decond attempt, I hope Cameron paints it as a desperate attempt by the humans to maintain their population and way of living. Cameron didn't really make that clear in the first movie.
While I didn't get anything out of the story of the first movie it'd be interesting to see more how Earth is at this point. The questions you bring up seem more geared to somewho who is fascinated by Avatar and while there seems to be a group that feels the same I can't imagine that'd be very interesting to the average viewer. While there always is the whole "let's explore more of Pandora" it seems like an easy copout to create a sequel with as the actual story of the first movie wrapped itself up in a way that really didn't beg a sequel by any means. Cameron and co will have to step up their game to actually create something that isn't pure fanservice.
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We got to see Earth in the alternative opening sequence of the first film. I'm completely content with three more movies of nothing but Pandora. We have seen so little of Pandora. For all we know, the Na'vi could be the equivalent of Earth's Amazon tribes. For all we know, there could be Na'vi on Pandora that live very advanced lives with technology (I'm envisioning 1800s in the US).
I'll have to disagree that the first film didn't beg for a sequel. So many things got left unresolved.
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We got to see Earth in the alternative opening sequence of the first film. I'm completely content with three more movies of nothing but Pandora. We have seen so little of Pandora. For all we know, the Na'vi could be the equivalent of Earth's Amazon tribes. For all we know, there could be Na'vi on Pandora that live very advanced lives with technology (I'm envisioning 1800s in the US).
I'll have to disagree that the first film didn't beg for a sequel. So many things got left unresolved.
But if Avatar was one film and a sequel never got made - that would be absolutely fine.
I'm more excited about what JC does *after* he's finished with this Universe. I want to see him remake The Fantastic Voyage as rumoured.
I'd LOVE that. A movie like Inner Space made with today's technology by James Cameron.
YES PLEASE.
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I also think the first Avatar works pretty well as a single movie, and I was honestly surprised when the sequels were announced. But I very much welcome them.
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Sequels were inevitable but I was a bit crestfallen when he announced there would be three.
I'd have been happy with two more Avatar films. But three more ?!
But yeah I also am thinking that the first movie introduced the idea of the universe and the next three are the "proper" trilogy.
Also I don't think the next one will make anywhere near as much money as the first.
I'm thinking Avatar 2 will be a huge hit . Probably a $1bn movie then the next two will make about 10 - 25% less each time..
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Well, if my memory is correct, James Cameron initially announced two sequels to make a trilogy. He said there could possibly be a fourth movie down the road as a prequel. I think after sitting on it, he came to the conclusion that filming another three movies, and making them the sequel, would make the most sense financially.
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That would be the right choice in my opinion. I don't know why, but I don't care much for prequels.
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That would be the right choice in my opinion. I don't know why, but I don't care much for prequels.
I was excited for a prequel. I wanted to see first contact so badly (maybe we still will in a flashback or something). Also, I wanted to see the accident that occurred when human first started mining the floating mountains.
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I'll have to disagree that the first film didn't beg for a sequel. So many things got left unresolved.
"Left untold" is not the same thing as "unresolved." I think the film stands fine on its own, no "need" for a sequel. I don't have a problem with there being sequels, I just don't think they are necessarily called for.
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That would be the right choice in my opinion. I don't know why, but I don't care much for prequels.
I was excited for a prequel. I wanted to see first contact so badly (maybe we still will in a flashback or something). Also, I wanted to see the accident that occurred when human first started mining the floating mountains.
As disinterested as I am in the entire Avatar franchise as a whole, this would interest me.
Although, that being said, to go to Hef's point, there is definitely something to keeping some things untold, and this may be one of those things. Yes, having this part of the story shown gives a sense of "completeness." But sometimes, the mystery is even better. Case in point: In the Battlestar Galactica episode "33," why did the Cylons appear and resume chase at precisely every 33 minutes? There was apparently a lot of Internet chatter and a lot of fans wanting that to be fleshed out and told. The creators toyed with the idea of giving an explanation at some point down the road in another episode or in The Plan. Ultimately, they decided against it and decided that leaving that part of the story untold made the episode and its place in the story more powerful and mysterious. I agree with that decision.
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Came across this on my newsfeed today. Interesting that individual pieces of organisms can be grown. This most likely explains how Quaritch comes back in the sequels. My guess is he regularly backed up his thoughts to a hard drive. The RDA probably grew another Quaritch body and regrew his old brain (including memories). Presto, the villain is back. Or, they just grew him a new heart and revived his recently shot up corpse.
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I'm very excited for these next movies, but I am sceptical about Quarich and Grace being back. The impact of loss of character is always weakened by having characters return. They might pull it off and do something interesting, but it's one of the aspects which makes me a little bit nervous.
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I'm very excited for these next movies, but I am sceptical about Quarich and Grace being back. The impact of loss of character is always weakened by having characters return. They might pull it off and do something interesting, but it's one of the aspects which makes me a little bit nervous.
I would be if Cameron wasn't directing it. I don't think he'll let the character fall into that trap. Quaritch is most likely going to be a clone, but I'm hoping for more. It'd be awesome if we didn't here about him at all in the second movie and then see him return as an 'evil' avatar himself.
As for Grace, her character might get really interesting. She said she takes on a different form in all three movies.
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https://www.computerworld.com/article/2931572/it-industry/hp-to-help-turn-iavatari-sequels-into-a-digital-attraction.html
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So I heard a rumour that Cameron has written a FOURTH Avatar sequel.
I'd have been fine with 2 sequels , 3 was pushing it but FOUR SEQUELS ?!
Unless he's doing it like a Marvel Cinematic Universe where each film has all new characters etc.
People will truly be sick of it if the franchise extends to FIVE films.
Not to mention I want Jim Cameron to move onto something new before he gets too old to do anything else. I'm WAY more interested in his reported
Fantastic Voyage remake.
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People will truly be sick of it if the franchise extends to FIVE films.
Lol
As for a fourth sequel... not quite. Jim and his team of writers wrote the story/scripts for the rest of the franchise. However, upon finishing, it turned out they had enough content to make four more movies. Jim has said several times that they are working to cut it down to keep it to just three more movies.
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I would have wanted them to shoot it all anyways, I think budget wouldn't be a problem. Then cut it down in editing, and then release a blu ray with all the extra material. The super-mega-editions. I'd be cool with that.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2931572/it-industry/hp-to-help-turn-iavatari-sequels-into-a-digital-attraction.html
And I have no idea what any of this means, so I'm not sure what to think or feel.
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I would have wanted them to shoot it all anyways, I think budget wouldn't be a problem. Then cut it down in editing, and then release a blu ray with all the extra material. The super-mega-editions. I'd be cool with that.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2931572/it-industry/hp-to-help-turn-iavatari-sequels-into-a-digital-attraction.html
And I have no idea what any of this means, so I'm not sure what to think or feel.
I feel the same way.
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Jim has said several times that they are working to cut it down to keep it to just three more movies.
I hope so. If they release one a year - then Avatar will be like the introduction and the 3 sequels will be the actual Trilogy.
It's already been 6 years. The next three will look different to the first one due to the improvements in tech and the time passed.
Then the new three will all look similar due to all being made at the same time.
I think that's how it should play.
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Jim and his team of writers wrote the story/scripts for the rest of the franchise. However, upon finishing, it turned out they had enough content to make four more movies.
Actual content or fan service? I'm not sure what other stories absolutely needed to be told based on the first movie or if they had to create more subplots to justify newer movies.
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Jim and his team of writers wrote the story/scripts for the rest of the franchise. However, upon finishing, it turned out they had enough content to make four more movies.
Actual content or fan service? I'm not sure what other stories absolutely needed to be told based on the first movie or if they had to create more subplots to justify newer movies.
No story 'absolutely needs to be told', but that doesn't mean there aren't good stories to tell. Here are a few things that I, as an avatard, would really love to see explored.
- Jake and Neytiri have children, the first true Na'vi/Human hybrids. Does the genetic mashup strengthen or hinder the children?
- The humans. Is there more than one RDA base? Are humans still on Pandora despite that one batch which packed up and went home (allegedly)? With the unobtanium supply possibly running low, what does that mean for life back on Earth?
- Other Na'vi tribes. We only saw a few of many. For all we know, the omaticaya clan could be the lowest form of Na'vi in terms of advancement. It'd be awesome if they were the equivalent of remote tribes in Africa and there are other sections of Pandora where the Na'vi are as advanced as humans were in the 1800s.
- Wildlife. Jim could make a fake Planet Earth like documentary of Pandora's ecosystem and I'd gladly watch it.
- Many humans stayed behind. Will Ewa transition all of them into their avatar bodies like Jake? What will their role be? The Na'vi now have access to all the tech left behind by the humans. When the humans inevitably come back, the Na'vi will be able to put up a much stronger fight.
- The remaining humans would speed up the advancement of the Na'vi culture at an alarming rate.
Jim has said several times that they are working to cut it down to keep it to just three more movies.
I hope so. If they release one a year - then Avatar will be like the introduction and the 3 sequels will be the actual Trilogy.
It's already been 6 years. The next three will look different to the first one due to the improvements in tech and the time passed.
Then the new three will all look similar due to all being made at the same time.
I think that's how it should play.
I'm pretty sure that's how it is going to go down. The first film with its easy story and proof of concept tech was a great way to introduce the world to the Na'vi and Pandora. James has now laid the foundation to pretty much make any trilogy he wants. It's really exciting.
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https://www.themeparx.com/avatar-land-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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The theme park is really starting to take shape!
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Apparently, James Cameron confirmed he's making four Avatar sequels. Yeah, you read that right, four goddamn movies.
The guy is hungry :lol
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Last I heard was 3 sequels so 4 total.
I just wish he'd do something different.
I don't want him to quit after the 4th film and be remembered as the guy who had a massive hit
and chased the dollar for the rest of his career.
MIND YOU. At least he didn't do Avatar 2,3,4 in 2011,2012,2013.
AT LEAST he's taking his time.
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It was announced today. 4 sequels, 5 total.
"Each film will hit theaters at Christmas, the first in 2018. Then 2020, 2022 with the finale in 2023."
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It was announced today. 4 sequels, 5 total.
"Each film will hit theaters at Christmas, the first in 2018. Then 2020, 2022 with the finale in 2023."
What do you mean 5 total? It's 4 sequels, meaning 4 movies, right?
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The first movie + its 4 sequels = 5
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I'm not sure why you're including the first movie though or am I missing something? ???
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Huh :huh:
Avatar
Avatar 2
Avatar 3
Avatar 4
Avatar 5
5 movies, dude.
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......sigh.
i'd be happy with 3 movies total. NOT FIVE FFS.
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Super happy about this. Before he died, James Horner said that James had four movies worth of scripts and part of the delay was attributed to him trying to cut the scripts without hurting the story. Sounds like he decided to not cut anything.
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Huh :huh:
Avatar
Avatar 2
Avatar 3
Avatar 4
Avatar 5
5 movies, dude.
LOL Again why are we including the first one when that movie has already been released?
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I don't understand what are you going on about. Care to explain?
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4 new movies not 5.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
You're joking with me, right?
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I know, someone with that "avatar" (:neverusethis:) must be a joker.
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:lol
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Maybe this will be a shot a "throw as much against the wall and see what sticks" and maybe we'll get one three dimensional character once all five movies are finally out.
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Maybe this will be a shot a "throw as much against the wall and see what sticks" and maybe we'll get one three dimensional character once all five movies are finally out.
Maybe this will be a masterpiece. The fact that all 4 movies are written makes me very optimistic.
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I don't really see the problem. If he's got good ideas for these movies them I'm all for it.
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The biggest thing James Cameron has going for him is a fantastic resume. Are there really any duds? I can't see any.
I'm assuming we all know how passionate he is about details and doing things right so I have supreme confidence we'll get some amazing movies down the road.
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I wasn't sure if I was going to have the patience for three more of these, but four? The first sequel had better be really good or I probably just won't bother.
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I don't really see the problem. If he's got good ideas for these movies them I'm all for it.
This is where I stand. The fact that they've all been written and will be filmed together makes me very optimistic. It's not like he is making a sequel and then two years later decides to make another one that wasn't originally planned.
I'm beyond excited for this. The first generic movie we saw was a great introduction to the Na'vi, their world, and their relationship with humans. Cameron's free to do whatever the hell he wants now, and the fact that he had enough material for four more movies (probably all close to the 3 hour mark) indicates that he's got some awesome story telling up his sleeve.
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Hopefully he can tell better stories than Dances with Smurfs.
I wasn't sure if I was going to have the patience for three more of these, but four? The first sequel had better be really good or I probably just won't bother.
I agree with this. First one was stunning to see in 3D in theaters. Story was kind of weak, but it was an experience. I'll go see the second one, and if it's not interesting, I'll probably be done with the series. That's how the Transformer franchise worked out for me. Loved the first one. Saw Fallen, hated it, and haven't seen anything after that.
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Hopefully he can tell better stories than Dances with Smurfs.
I wasn't sure if I was going to have the patience for three more of these, but four? The first sequel had better be really good or I probably just won't bother.
I agree with this. First one was stunning to see in 3D in theaters. Story was kind of weak, but it was an experience. I'll go see the second one, and if it's not interesting, I'll probably be done with the series. That's how the Transformer franchise worked out for me. Loved the first one. Saw Fallen, hated it, and haven't seen anything after that.
:lol at "Dances with Smurfs"..
I agree - the first one was an impressive technical experience. It's still probably the best use of 3D I've seen, but the story was just ok, and TBH I didn't get through a second viewing when it was shown on telly.
Not sure whether I have enough interest to go to see the next one or not, never mind 4 more of them. :)
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Whatever.
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I don't really see the problem. If he's got good ideas for these movies them I'm all for it.
Well, I think that IS the problem. He didn't have any good ideas for the first one. What makes us think he will for 4 more? :lol
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I don't really see the problem. If he's got good ideas for these movies them I'm all for it.
Well, I think that IS the problem. He didn't have any good ideas for the first one. What makes us think he will for 4 more? :lol
This is pretty much where I stand.
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This thread is infuriating.
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Not really. Avatar was a fine film on it's own.
Nobody needs 4 more of these things. And i'm a huge James Cameron fan.
This news is infuriating as I don't want him to be remembered as that amazing director who had a colossal hit movie then saw dollar signs for the rest of his career.
I'd rather he did a trilogy ( TOTAL ) then move on to something else. Like his long gestating Fantastic Voyage remake WHICH I HAVE WAY MORE INTEREST IN.
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There are so many better movies than Avatar that have gotten a lot of pointless and mediocre sequels.
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Yeah, but how many were done by James Cameron?
He is a very talented filmmaker who could be making many different interesting films. Instead, he is using all his time on Avatar. I mean, I get it, it was a sensation and is the biggest money maker of all time. But if this plan goes through and he spends this much time on Avatar, I just wonder what other good things we could have seen in that timespan.
I mean, he directed The Terminator, and Terminator 2, and Aliens, The Abyss, True Lies, and Titanic. All of those films are better and more interesting, ultimately, than Avatar. I would like to see what he could do with something else, without Avatar monopolizing all of his time.
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I'd rather he did a trilogy ( TOTAL ) then move on to something else. Like his long gestating Fantastic Voyage remake WHICH I HAVE WAY MORE INTEREST IN.
Aside from gratuitously giving Chino crap just because it's fun and he is an easy target for Avatar, who cares how many movies he makes if he has what he believes is a good, viable set of ideas to carry that many films? If he has a story or stories for 4 more films, he should go for it. Joking aside, there is a market for them, and there will continue to be as long as he does halfway decent stories. I mean, for me personally, my interest level is that as long as I don't hear that they are bad, I will likely see pick them up for a weekend when they hit Redbox. But just because that is my interest level doesn't mean I begrudge them being made. Again, if Cameron feels like he has the stories, more power to him.
Plus, despite my personal relative indifference toward the films themselves, I think the Avatar concept and world could be really cool to have an area of Disney World themed upon, so to have Cameron fleshing out that world more at the same time Disney has their Avatar park in development should bode well for the park.
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I predict that the 4 sequels combined won't make what Avatar made. People will get less interested with each one. The 2nd one will probably make $1bn but after that . .
. . . law of diminishing returns.
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And I don't think that Cameron is making them purely for the $$$. If he was - he'd have rushed out sequels years ago.
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This news is infuriating as I don't want him to be remembered as that amazing director who had a colossal hit movie then saw dollar signs for the rest of his career.
Considering this is his world, how passionate he is about this, I'm pretty sure the thought wasn't "oh it made lots of money, now I must make more so that I can fill my bank account". I think it's rather "oh it made lots of money, now I can tell more stories about this thing I really want to tell more stories about". Which is completely fine with me.
(I was a bit ninja'd on that paragraph, but whatever)
I don't really love the first one, but I do really like it, and I don't understand the hate this is getting here. I'm looking forward to more Avatar.
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He made titanic as he wanted to explore the wreck for himself.
Maybe he's doing this to fund his extra curricular interests.
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I just don't see why things like Star Wars, Godzilla, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, Transformers, Fast and Furious, Lord of the Rings, and the Hunger Games can have a half dozen films and still generate fan excitement, but when it comes to Avatar, the whole internet seems to do nothing but shit on the idea and crack smurf jokes. I'm not ragging on you guys, I'm just wondering why that is. Is it because the first movie made so much money? Sometimes I feel like if Avatar had only made $1.2B or so, it wouldn't get the default level of hate and dismissal that it does. I see so much more when I watch Avatar than the story, and it goes beyond just the pretty effects as well. Every plant, every creature, every geologic formation was intricately designed and thought out. It's beautiful. And the fact that it's all fake yet feels so real and believable is what draws me to it. One of the biggest gripes I have in the science fiction genre is how fake and bullshit a lot of the stuff is. Unbelievable worlds, aliens that would not have evolved to look the way they have given their environment, etc.. So much went into the movie, and sometimes I think the hype around the 3D technology shadowed a lot of that fact. People think it's just a CGI wank fest, and in all honesty, more was probably done from an acting and stunt perspective than a lot of live action movies out there. If you watch the bonus discs and see the blood and sweat that went into every little aspect of this movie, I can't see how you can't not at least appreciate it. There is so much potential for a truly incredible franchise, and I think you're all going to be pleasantly surprised.
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I'm intrigued to say the least. My favorite part of the original was the world they built and explored. To be honest, the story is kind of secondary to me with movies like this anyway. Still don't get the extreme ends of the spectrums this movie brings out in people on either end. I'm just as puzzled by the apparent hernias and rage the movie induces as much as the blind love.
5 movies of Avatar does sound excessive but I'll wait to see how at least the next film sets up the last few films before denouncing them. If anything, it'll be a nice film to loom at, which is all I was interested in with the first film to begin with.
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I loved Avatar and roll my eyes at all the PocaSmurfAhontas with Wolves in SpaceGully jokes because if one film is like so many other films then surely those films are like each other too....
But 4 sequels sounds a lot.
If they're all going to be about jake / Neytiri / Grace Augustine / Quaritch.
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I just don't see why things like Star Wars, Godzilla, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, Transformers, Fast and Furious, Lord of the Rings, and the Hunger Games can have a half dozen films and still generate fan excitement, but when it comes to Avatar, the whole internet seems to do nothing but shit on the idea and crack smurf jokes.
Because most of these, and other big franchises, were much more fresh and interesting concepts to begin with (not all of them, but those also get shat on for churning out endless soulless bad movies), and resonated a lot more with audiences with their great characters and memorable, iconic elements. Despite its impressive box office, Avatar lacked that lasting cultural impact on audiences because beyond the facade of impressive CGI, there wasn't that much to latch onto once the initial wow factor wore off.
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Yeah I don't think interesting visuals is enough to carry any franchise. You need an interesting plot or likable characters and Avatar had neither IMO.
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I love how people say Avatar's success was ONLY because of the visuals and nobody could possibly have enjoyed the pacing and action and direction.
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I love how people say Avatar's success was ONLY because of the visuals and nobody could possibly have enjoyed the pacing and action and direction.
How many people really talk in extremes like that though?
From what I've heard, most people say that Avatar's success was LARGELY due to the visuals and not really because of the story itself. Obviously quite a few people loved the characters/story etc.
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I love how people say Avatar's success was ONLY because of the visuals and nobody could possibly have enjoyed the pacing and action and direction.
How many people really talk in extremes like that though?
From what I've heard, most people say that Avatar's success was LARGELY due to the visuals and not really because of the story itself. Obviously quite a few people loved the characters/story etc.
This
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or they say that it ONLY made $3bn because it was in 3D. Well 3D is roughly 33% of the ticket price which means it would have still made $2bn if it wasn't in 3D.
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or they say that it ONLY made $3bn because it was in 3D. Well 3D is roughly 33% of the ticket price which means it would have still made $2bn if it wasn't in 3D.
Well......if it wouldn't have made 3bn without 3D..........then didn't it make 3bn because 3d?
I mean, I get that you like to come in here and introduce extreme arguments and then get mad at them, but why? No one here is making these arguments right now. We're talking about the 4 sequels. Who cares anymore why Avatar made its money? It did. Who cares how much money it made? I mean, my favorite movies probably made less than nothing. I still think they're better movies than the billion dollar ones. So why get so angry over what are essentially youtube comments? Can't you just ignore them like the rest of the world should?
Edit: Since it didn't make 3bn dollars, I assume that was a typo? If so, just ignore the first part of my post.
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or they say that it ONLY made $3bn because it was in 3D. Well 3D is roughly 33% of the ticket price which means it would have still made $2bn if it wasn't in 3D.
If it wasn't in 3D, I wouldn't have seen it in theaters at all. I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt that way.
The 3D/effects was the draw, not the rehashed storyline.
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I think the story is fine. Sure it's reused from a few different ones, but I didn't mind. I thought it still managed to be interesting and have plenty of cool moments despite that. It's not just the visuals for me, I actually enjoyed the movie.
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I think the story is fine. Sure it's reused from a few different ones, but I didn't mind. I thought it still managed to be interesting and have plenty of cool moments despite that. It's not just the visuals for me, I actually enjoyed the movie.
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I would be okay with the story being so cliché if I had engaging characters to hang onto. Just looking at some other Cameron-films, Terminator had Arnold and Linda Hamilton, Aliens had Sigourney Weaver but with Avatar I just didn't really care about anyone. A more likable lead character could have changed it up quite a bit.
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I liked Grace Augustine. But Sigourney Weaver is great in most things.
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I love how people say Avatar's success was ONLY because of the visuals and nobody could possibly have enjoyed the pacing and action and direction.
Well the visuals were the selling point and I know I'm sort of in the minority on this where I'll admit that they were really good but I just wasn't impressed. It definitely has a mass appeal regarding the rest of the things you mentioned but it was so damn predictable that I couldn't really enjoy anything. It was following a very typical story arc beat for beat that the action was just eye candy and nothing really fresh or, in my case, remotely interesting.
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Well the visuals were the selling point and I know I'm sort of in the minority on this where I'll admit that they were really good but I just wasn't impressed. It definitely has a mass appeal regarding the rest of the things you mentioned but it was so damn predictable that I couldn't really enjoy anything. It was following a very typical story arc beat for beat that the action was just eye candy and nothing really fresh or, in my case, remotely interesting.
I'm with you. It was a nice little spectacle, but I never got the feeling that Pandora felt like a real world.
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Friday night. Cheers!
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Well the visuals were the selling point and I know I'm sort of in the minority on this where I'll admit that they were really good but I just wasn't impressed. It definitely has a mass appeal regarding the rest of the things you mentioned but it was so damn predictable that I couldn't really enjoy anything. It was following a very typical story arc beat for beat that the action was just eye candy and nothing really fresh or, in my case, remotely interesting.
I'm with you. It was a nice little spectacle, but I never got the feeling that Pandora felt like a real world.
Would you mind me asking what felt fake to you? One of the reasons I praise this film so much is because of the attention to detail and the incredible level of thought that went into everything you see. Nothing was put in just because it looked cool. Everything you see was designed with physics and evolution in mind. It's the most realistic fantasy world I've ever seen.
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For me it was literally Earth with really good CGI but not quite uncanny valley level plants/animals and silly fluorescent colored things. I'm not even talking from a fantasy type perspective but just the quality of CGI wasn't that good.
Basically Pandora never felt like a real alien planet. Like 90% of it is completely familiar with a few lazily added features.
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I'll address this either way tomorrow when I'm not on my phone, but what do you mean by "lazy features"? If you can remember anything specifically, I'd like to hear it (legitimately asking as a fan who loves talking about this movie, not trying to bait).
I'm watching the movie right now. Jake just bagged his ikran. I've been looking really hard for flaws and I've come up with two so far;
1) I don't think we'll be able to achieve what we did on a world like Pandora by the year 2154.
2) Jake looks at pictures taped to a mini fridge and they are in 3D. Crap job on Weta's part. I'm assuming if JC approved it, it was because of the crazy amount of resources it took to make that scene, and redoing it would have cost more than it was worth, or it would have caused more delays.
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See even the newsreader is confused by 4 sequels....
https://youtu.be/JdN2UZyktGM
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Pandora always felt real enough to me. And I don't get "lazy features" at all? I mean, if you think Pandora is a lazily built world, how fucking high are your expectations?
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Would you mind me asking what felt fake to you? One of the reasons I praise this film so much is because of the attention to detail and the incredible level of thought that went into everything you see. Nothing was put in just because it looked cool. Everything you see was designed with physics and evolution in mind. It's the most realistic fantasy world I've ever seen.
I think to me at least, it was just too colorful and a lot of the visuals reminded me of places in World of Warcraft. Having played that for so many years and seeing several places in Avatar that looked like they were taken straight out of the game (not saying they were) took me out of it, because I knew these locations as locations in a video game basically. Felt a bit Pixar-y almost.
On the other side of the spectrum, I thought a movie like Prometheus (while equally flawed, if not more) had stunning visuals and a planet I "bought" much more than Pandora.
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I'll address this either way tomorrow when I'm not on my phone, but what do you mean by "lazy features"? If you can remember anything specifically, I'd like to hear it (legitimately asking as a fan who loves talking about this movie, not trying to bait).
Two that come to mind are floating islands and the rhino/shark, which looks like someone came up with it in 3 seconds. These are supposed to represent things you'd maybe see on an alien planet but they just look like stuff you'd see on Earth with a very slight twist. I'm not sure if it was a design choice but I feel that a lot of times, especially when it comes to alien/creature designs for these kinds of movies, everything is played incredibly safe so the audience has somewhat of a familiarity with what they're seeing to help sell it. That doesn't excite me. I want really out there alien and creature designs that I can't even think in my head. I want something truly creative and new not two existing Earth creatures slammed together to create something "new" or another humanoid looking alien with two arms, two legs, a torso, and a head. That is lazy to me.
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1) I don't think we'll be able to achieve what we did on a world like Pandora by the year 2154.
I'm old enough to have spent some time in the last millennium, and the year "2000" was a random placeholder for the future, a super space-ish future with flying cars and Star Wars landscapes and so on. The more technology advances the more we should get real and get a better understanding how of things may develop (for example, take all those movies either serious or comedic when someone is for whatever reason thrown into the future and they get culture shock, like "OMG what is this unfathomable wizardry", would we be THAT absolutely amazed at whatever may be here in 100 years, rather than understanding it as a logical development of what we have now?), but still we're just in that frame of mind where we slap just a 100 years to our timeline and go all spaceships, universe colonization and magic-like gadgets.
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There's no way we're ever getting flying cars.
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There's no way we're ever getting flying cars.
Of course we won't. What life would be one where you walk down the street and two car that had an accident 20 meters above you come crashing down on you?
One thing however I think we may get was those flat displays that people in the lab were taking and carrying elsewhere (talking about the movie now). That is something I could totally see happening, something so thin (we're going in that direction anyway) that you could just take from some place and carry somewhere else.
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I would be okay with the story being so cliché if I had engaging characters to hang onto. Just looking at some other Cameron-films, Terminator had Arnold and Linda Hamilton, Aliens had Sigourney Weaver but with Avatar I just didn't really care about anyone. A more likable lead character could have changed it up quite a bit.
This. None of the acting was really very good at all. The visuals were spectacularly done, but the dialogue, story, and acting were obviously shortchanged because effects.
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Cameron plans on shooting four Avatar sequels. Little detail: at the same time.
What a madman :o
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Cameron plans on shooting four Avatar sequels. Little detail: at the same time.
What a madman :o
That's not that crazy. How long does it take to shoot the 20 minutes of live action footage? :P
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Makes sense to shoot them at the same time. They'll save money, and the sequels won't make as much money as the first, so doing it all in one go (I'm sure there will be re-shoots either way) is a good way to make the filmmaking slightly cheaper and make more money.
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As long as the cast is expected to stay relatively the same across the span of films, shooting them together makes the most sense. It will also be cost-effective.
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Cameron plans on shooting four Avatar sequels. Little detail: at the same time.
What a madman :o
That's not that crazy. How long does it take to shoot the 20 minutes of live action footage? :P
The entire film is acted out and filmed regardless of whether the scene is all CGI or not. The human acting drives the CGI skeltons and facial mapping.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKdnOZzMv4
Walt Disney World Avatar Land preview
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Looks pretty cool.
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I love how people say Avatar's success was ONLY because of the visuals and nobody could possibly have enjoyed the pacing and action and direction.
No kidding. This exact same story has also been told and re-told a million times (Dances With Wolves, Fern Gully, Pocahontas, The Last Samurai, etc) but for some reason Avatar gets bashed cuz, why?... it was the most successful and people don't like success beyond a certain point it seems... the magic number seems to be around $600 million and then people start turning on it.
I loved the pacing and action and direction and the "Eywa" angle really made me emotional, especially with dealing with a loss two days before the movie came out. I was a mess a few times during the movie.
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I've made this point several times. That if Avatar is "the same" as all those movies then those movies are "the same" as each other.
And yes it is popular to bash anything successful.
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Because the reaction to Avatar wasn't "That was a nice movie."
The extreme hate it gets (not from me, I'm just apathetic toward it) is largely a reaction to the extreme praise it got.
Had Avatar made like 700 or even 800 million dollars, didn't get praised as the greatest movie ever made (when it was released) it would have likely gotten the same amount of hate as most movies do.
To summarize....it's all Chino's fault.
Edit: The movie was also hyped as a revolution in film. And it was......visually, kinda. But when a movie being sold as a complete game changer is essentially a tired old story, then people are going to notice it a lot more.
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I agree with all of that. (including the apathy part)
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Besides, we all know Fern Gully is the best :metal
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Dont Hold Your Breath For Those Avatar Sequels. (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/avatar-sequels-release-dates-james-cameron-a7696981.html)
I can wait. At least it means he's not rushing them. He's treating them as one massive movie split into 4.
3.5 years though...
Big Gap between Avatar 3 and 4... Wonder why that is ?
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Interesting. I'm excitedfor all of it, but yeah, if it means getting it right, I'm okay with waiting longer than expected.
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If Avatar 2 is absolutely stunning visually and really exciting with a great story then i don't mind how long it takes.
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Got my plane tickets booked and 7 nights reserved at a hotel.... Heading to The Land of Pandora the second week of September! :metal
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So as it stands, are all 4 of the movies going to be sequels to the 2009 one? or they being mixed in with prequels? If I were a studio head I'd get nervous with that amount of waiting and no way of knowing if 4 movies, let alone 1, will payoff. I'm thinking the gap after 2 movies are released is to assess if there is going to be another 2 more to follow. I personally think they should all do fine and continue to make however many they want, as many franchises (Pirates, Fast and the furious, Transformers, etc..) have shown people will watch anything.
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It's also irritating that Cameron started working on the scripts for the sequels when he penned a deal with Walt Disney Parks and Resorts to put Pandora in Disney's Animal Kingdom, in which that land (which looks AMAZING by the way) takes place during the sequels, and the new area will open in late May
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So as it stands, are all 4 of the movies going to be sequels to the 2009 one? or they being mixed in with prequels? If I were a studio head I'd get nervous with that amount of waiting and no way of knowing if 4 movies, let alone 1, will payoff. I'm thinking the gap after 2 movies are released is to assess if there is going to be another 2 more to follow. I personally think they should all do fine and continue to make however many they want, as many franchises (Pirates, Fast and the furious, Transformers, etc..) have shown people will watch anything.
They'll all be sequels. From what James has said, the following 4 movies will be the franchise's official story arc. The first film acted as a proof a concept for the technology and gave a good introduction to what Pandora is, who inhabits it, and an understanding of the conflict with humans. Now with that out of the way, the main story can hit the ground running and waste no time on introductions or setups.
I'm assuming we'll get a couple flashbacks. I'd personally love to see the first encounter with humans as well as the floating mountains mining accident.
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It's also irritating that Cameron started working on the scripts for the sequels when he penned a deal with Walt Disney Parks and Resorts to put Pandora in Disney's Animal Kingdom, in which that land (which looks AMAZING by the way) takes place during the sequels, and the new area will open in late May
I fail to understand your irritation. Are you saying there'll be spoilers in the park, or that the park will lack content because it opened so early?
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Dont Hold Your Breath For Those Avatar Sequels. (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/avatar-sequels-release-dates-james-cameron-a7696981.html)
Not holding my breath.
I don't believe any of these release dates, and I won't believe any new release dates (when they come) until I see a trailer that has a release date in it.
And I still won't fully believe it until tickets go on sail.
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And I still won't fully believe it until tickets go on sail.
You buy your tickets from a boat ?! :o
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lol that sucked
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Two weeks ago I ventured to Florida and visited Pandora.
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Nice, I'll have to check it out when the crowds die down a bit.
Also this skit on SNL Avatar related I thought was hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ)
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Nice, I'll have to check it out when the crowds die down a bit.
Also this skit on SNL Avatar related I thought was hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ)
I'll check that vid out when I get home tonight. The crowds weren't too bad honestly. But that could have been because 1) People moved their trips because of hurricanes, and 2) school was a week back into session. Not many people going on vacation that week of the year. That's the main reason why we went down their at that time.
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Kate Winslet joins Avatar for all sequels. I'm curious if she's going to be a human or a Na'vi
https://deadline.com/2017/10/kate-winslet-avatar-2-titanic-reunion-titanic-helmer-james-cameron-1202181471/
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How are people still joining? I thought he's been shooting these sequels already?
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How are people still joining? I thought he's been shooting these sequels already?
They technically just started shooting last week. The last few months were preparations (building the new volume, stress testing all the new hardware and software, getting Weta Digital in order, etc..) and tests, pre production stuff. I think these new additions are just being announced now that the pedal is 100% officially down. Seven child actors were announced a few days ago as well. 3 are Jake and Neytiri's Na'vi offspring, 3 are from the new Reef Clan we'll be introduced to, and 1 is going to play a human that was conceived and born on Pandora in Hell's Gate.
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I imagine there's a ton of planning that goes on for an endeavor of this size. They're probably planning for multiple scenarios should something go south, how to salvage, etc.. I'm most curious of the new tech that will be utilized and showcased.
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I imagine there's a ton of planning that goes on for an endeavor of this size. They're probably planning for multiple scenarios should something go south, how to salvage, etc.. I'm most curious of the new tech that will be utilized and showcased.
I think most of the 'new tech' is just enhanced old tech. I know in the original film, it was hard to motion capture and face map more than 30 or so people at a time without the computers crashing. It made filming really hard for certain scenes. I remember reading an interview last year where Cameron was saying he now expects to be able to capture up to 100 people in real time.
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How are people still joining? I thought he's been shooting these sequels already?
They technically just started shooting last week. The last few months were preparations (building the new volume, stress testing all the new hardware and software, getting Weta Digital in order, etc..) and tests, pre production stuff. I think these new additions are just being announced now that the pedal is 100% officially down. Seven child actors were announced a few days ago as well. 3 are Jake and Neytiri's Na'vi offspring, 3 are from the new Reef Clan we'll be introduced to, and 1 is going to play a human that was conceived and born on Pandora in Hell's Gate.
Gotcha. totally makes sense. I can't wait to see the movies. I let my boys watch AVATAR recently and they LOVED the visuals and that world. I told them they missed out on the 3D experience which was still the single best 3D experience I've ever had at a movie.
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How are people still joining? I thought he's been shooting these sequels already?
They technically just started shooting last week. The last few months were preparations (building the new volume, stress testing all the new hardware and software, getting Weta Digital in order, etc..) and tests, pre production stuff. I think these new additions are just being announced now that the pedal is 100% officially down. Seven child actors were announced a few days ago as well. 3 are Jake and Neytiri's Na'vi offspring, 3 are from the new Reef Clan we'll be introduced to, and 1 is going to play a human that was conceived and born on Pandora in Hell's Gate.
Gotcha. totally makes sense. I can't wait to see the movies. I let my boys watch AVATAR recently and they LOVED the visuals and that world. I told them they missed out on the 3D experience which was still the single best 3D experience I've ever had at a movie.
I'll bet my bottom dollar that there will be a theatrical re-release leading up to the release of the second film.
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How are people still joining? I thought he's been shooting these sequels already?
They technically just started shooting last week. The last few months were preparations (building the new volume, stress testing all the new hardware and software, getting Weta Digital in order, etc..) and tests, pre production stuff. I think these new additions are just being announced now that the pedal is 100% officially down. Seven child actors were announced a few days ago as well. 3 are Jake and Neytiri's Na'vi offspring, 3 are from the new Reef Clan we'll be introduced to, and 1 is going to play a human that was conceived and born on Pandora in Hell's Gate.
Gotcha. totally makes sense. I can't wait to see the movies. I let my boys watch AVATAR recently and they LOVED the visuals and that world. I told them they missed out on the 3D experience which was still the single best 3D experience I've ever had at a movie.
I'll bet my bottom dollar that there will be a theatrical re-release leading up to the release of the second film.
I'd go...as long as it was 3D.
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I really do need to see it again on the big screen hopefully IMAX 3D. When it came out I did see it but it was IMAX 2D and wasn't that great of an experience due to how the screen at the theater was setup. I'm quite sure they'll re-release it in theaters in 3D before the sequel.
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Chino, I want to know what you thought about your visit. It looks really cool from the pics. But what did you think about it?
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Chino, I want to know what you thought about your visit. It looks really cool from the pics. But what did you think about it?
Story time.
I freaking loved it. Had you never seen the movie, I think the place would have been really enjoyable, but as a full blown Avatard, I think they knocked it out of the park. There were two rides in Pandora. One was an indoor river boat ride through a Pandora stream during the night. You start in a relatively quiet forest with some background animal sounds, and the entire ride takes place in bioluminescent surroundings that look just like they did in the movie. There's some crazy projection systems in there that put animals and Na'vi groups all over the place that really fooled me at first. I thought they were animatronics until we got really close to the viperwolves. As you progress through the forest, you hear some background music and na'vi singing/chanting getting progressively louder. It's actually a really cool song even though I admittedly didn't understand a single word of the lyrics. As the ride ends, you encounter a life-sized version of Mo'at doing some spirit dance in sync with the songs the tribe is singing and she's screaming away. Hands down the most advanced animatronic I have ever seen. Everything about her seemed real.
(https://www.chipandco.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Navi-River-Journey-700x336-1-700x336.jpg)
(https://www.insidethemagic.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Navi-River-Journey.jpg)
The second ride was "The flight of passage". It's about 4 minutes long and you're hauling ass on the back of an ikran around Pandora. This was the best ride I have ever been on in my life, and I'm not just saying that as die-hard fan of the movie. Unless you're satan, I don't think it's possible for anyone to get on that ride and not feel exactly the same. You sit on this "link chairs" that pair you to an Avatar and you go for a flight. 3D effects of the screen you're looking at combined with the effects generated by the room make for a really intense experience. You feel the breeze, orientation changes, temperature variation, water, and smells as you fly around. I kept a sharp eye out and counted at least four creatures that we hadn't seen in the first movie. We went on it a total of four times. The third time we went on it, the ride started and Victoria realized her glasses were missing the right eyepiece. She told a guy after the ride and he brought us to the front of the 115 minute line. I wish I could have ridden this ride 50 times.
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The rest of the world was great. We didn't eat at the restaurant, but it looked pretty cool. The attention to detail throughout the park was incredible. I couldn't get enough of it. We spent about 12 hours in Animal Kingdom and 8 of those were in Pandora. I will admit though, I was a little underwhelmed by the nighttime version of the park. It was cool, don't get me wrong, but I was expecting way too much. The riverboat ride absolutely nailed nighttime Pandora, and part of me was really hoping the entire park would look that way once it got dark. It looked great, but it did fall a little short of the movie.
I had a great time at the rest of Animal Kingdom as well. So many people told me it was the shittiest of the Disney parks, and while I've only been to Epcot prior (10 years ago) and didn't have much to compare it to, I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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Awesome. I'd like to eventually see it as well. When I went to Animal Kingdom April of last year, it was under construction, so there was a good chunk of Animal Kingdom that you couldn't access. But I still thought the park was really cool. In particular, I really liked the safari and Expedition Everest.
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Expedition Everest was awesome. We went on that three times. Lines were relatively short because everyone was in Pandora.
Here's the underlying working of the Mo'at animatron I was talking about.
(https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/navi-s.gif?w=680&h=382)
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And if you go through this thread backwards, you can see the progress of the park from the very beginning. I was following this all along.
https://www.themeparx.com/avatar-land-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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There were lines when we went. Not really bad, but long enough that we only repeated Everest once. But the park hours were short as well. I think they closed at 5:00 or 6:00, which was fine with Pandora not yet open anyway. We got a park hopper pass and hit Animal Kingdom from opening until about the time it closed, drive to the McDonald's around the corner for a cheap dinner, and then went to Magic Kingdom until that closed.
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Brian....do you mind if I get nosey and ask what type of cost I'd be looking at for the Avatar Park? (excluding travel to park)
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https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/tickets/
I just ran it for a 3-day visit, and it comes out as follows:
For 1 park per day tickets: $289 for adults; $271 for kids
For park hopper: $349 for adults; $331 for kids
For Disney World, I would probably just go with the 1 park per day option now that Animal Kingdom has extended hours and Pandora is finished. In the past, I would have gone for the Park Hopper for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. But absent the situation above where a park you want to see has really limited hours, I don't find the Park Hopper to be worth the extra money because the parks are so far apart that it discourages hopping just as a practical matter.
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Brian....do you mind if I get nosey and ask what type of cost I'd be looking at for the Avatar Park? (excluding travel to park)
I think we paid $110 each and $20 to park. But that's for all of Animal Kingdom, not just Pandora. I know they offer family discounts if you have a bunch of kids, but I'm not sure what those packages go for. I was also told the parks get cheaper if you stay in a Disney hotel as well.
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I think we paid $110 each and $20 to park. But that's for all of Animal Kingdom, not just Pandora. I know they offer family discounts if you have a bunch of kids, but I'm not sure what those packages go for. I was also told the parks get cheaper if you stay in a Disney hotel as well.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/tickets/
I just ran it for a 3-day visit, and it comes out as follows:
For 1 park per day tickets: $289 for adults; $271 for kids
For park hopper: $349 for adults; $331 for kids
For Disney World, I would probably just go with the 1 park per day option now that Animal Kingdom has extended hours and Pandora is finished. In the past, I would have gone for the Park Hopper for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. But absent the situation above where a park you want to see has really limited hours, I don't find the Park Hopper to be worth the extra money because the parks are so far apart that it discourages hopping just as a practical matter.
Thanks fellas :tup all in all that really isn't that expensive...it's not chump change but it's not near what I had just guesstimated with no research.
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I know they offer family discounts if you have a bunch of kids, but I'm not sure what those packages go for. I was also told the parks get cheaper if you stay in a Disney hotel as well.
The Disney hotels are definitely more expensive than anything else you could get. But the convenience and being linked to all the parks is REALLY nice. If you want to look into that route, I highly recommend checking it out through Costco travel. Their Disney packages are some of the best deals out there.
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The second ride was "The flight of passage". It's about 4 minutes long and you're hauling ass on the back of an ikran around Pandora. This was the best ride I have ever been on in my life, and I'm not just saying that as die-hard fan of the movie. Unless you're satan, I don't think it's possible for anyone to get on that ride and not feel exactly the same. You sit on this "link chairs" that pair you to an Avatar and you go for a flight. 3D effects of the screen you're looking at combined with the effects generated by the room make for a really intense experience. You feel the breeze, orientation changes, temperature variation, water, and smells as you fly around. I kept a sharp eye out and counted at least four creatures that we hadn't seen in the first movie. We went on it a total of four times. The third time we went on it, the ride started and Victoria realized her glasses were missing the right eyepiece. She told a guy after the ride and he brought us to the front of the 115 minute line. I wish I could have ridden this ride 50 times.
My parents were there on opening day and did this although my mom hated this ride because she got motion sickness although my dad loved it. One of the things they said was that the flora was sort of lackluster. They said they did a good job showing different types of lighting in the plants but overall it didn't really do it for them.
I'm glad you enjoyed it and I'll look forward to checking it out as much as I rag on the movie because Disney does a great job with all of their parks.
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https://deadline.com/2018/11/james-cameron-avatar-sequels-alita-titanic-1202502044/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
In a video message, the director of the two highest-grossing films of all time (Avatar and Titanic) praised the ensemble of actors who have been filming Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 since September 2017.
“Hi, James Cameron here and today I’m coming to you from the set of the Avatar sequels — and behind me you can see our performance-capture stage. Today we’re capturing some stunt scenes filming some stunt scenes but our principal cast are all wrapped: Sam [Worthington], Zoe [Saldana], Sigourney [Weaver], Stephen Lang, Kate Winslet.”
The Oscar-winning filmmaker added: “They’re done now but they gave us incredible performances. And I can’t tell you how proud I am of the work that they did on these films.”
Avatar 2 is due in theaters on December 18, 2020, and will be followed by Avatar 3 on December 17, 2021. Two additional sequels are planned after that if the first pair deliver the kind of box-office success that Fox and Cameron are expecting.
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That last bit is incorrect. 4 and 5 already started filming months ago. They're happening regardless of the success of the first two.
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I'm not debating you but here's a quote from James Cameron : Cameron stated in a November 26, 2017 interview: "Let’s face it, if Avatar 2 and 3 don’t make enough money, there’s not going to be a 4 and 5.
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I'm not debating you but here's a quote from James Cameron : Cameron stated in a November 26, 2017 interview: "Let’s face it, if Avatar 2 and 3 don’t make enough money, there’s not going to be a 4 and 5.
Yeah. I think that sentiment went away 18 days later when Disney announced it was buying 21st Century Fox for $52,400,000,000. Disney spent $500,000,000 (plus annual operating costs) to build Pandora - The Land of Avatar in Animal Kingdom, and it's done wonders for that park's foot traffic. It's in their best interest to keep that park and the franchise relevant.
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Yea I do think they will air the movies regardless but they can't do anything if the first two movies are a box-office flop. Filming the movies are one thing but post-production is a huge part of a movie like Avatar.
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I'm curious what will be considered a flop. I don't expect any of the sequels to make anywhere near $2.7B like the first one. And even if they manage to hit $750M-$1-B, still a huge success, you're going to have lots of people referring to them as flops.
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I was thinking the other day when I last saw a 3D movie at the cinema and I can't remember actually. Where is 3D at these days? I own a VR headset and that's definitely still alive but nobody is talking about 3D cinema anymore. I wonder what Avatar will bring to the table because I feel they have to up the game immensely for 3D cinema to be a thing again. Even 3D TVs seems outdated these days.
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I was thinking the other day when I last saw a 3D movie at the cinema and I can't remember actually. Where is 3D at these days? I own a VR headset and that's definitely still alive but nobody is talking about 3D cinema anymore. I wonder what Avatar will bring to the table because I feel they have to up the game immensely for 3D cinema to be a thing again. Even 3D TVs seems outdated these days.
Was just talking to someone about this a few days ago. I have a nice 3D TV and a VR system, and watching a standard 3D HD movie in VR is sooooooo much nicer than on my TV, I think it’s more accurate and less double vision angles due to the natural viewing tech. There is no bad viewing angle in VR. That being said, I do have the Blu-ray 3D version of Avatar which is pretty sweet and don’t think there is a VR3D version. If so, let me know.
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So I spent the last week in Disney World and managed to go on Flight of Passage twice. For as much shit I give the movie the ride experience is second to none to anything else in the parks. The visuals, the music, the effects, everything is basically the perfect immersive thrill ride. Luckily we had two FastPasses so we skipped the lines but I'd say it's even worth the half and half plus wait time in case you don't have a FastPass.
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All subject matter aside, The Flight Of Passage is the most mind numbingly awesome ride I've ever been on. I rode it 4 times when I went.
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I'm afraid to ask but I'm hoping you didn't wait 4+ hours on line like I was hearing some did when it first opened. As much as I liked the ride my limit is maybe an hour and a half for anything I really want to go on.
On a side note one thing that Disney and other parks should have for ride like that is some sort of bathroom halfway through the lines. The first time I went on it there was a kid visibly jumping, squirming, and stamping around with a full bladder in the prep rooms right before you get on and all I could think was "oh man we just wasted a FastPass because this kid is going to pee his pants and shut the ride down so they can clean".
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I'm afraid to ask but I'm hoping you didn't wait 4+ hours on line like I was hearing some did when it first opened. As much as I liked the ride my limit is maybe an hour and a half for anything I really want to go on.
On a side note one thing that Disney and other parks should have for ride like that is some sort of bathroom halfway through the lines. The first time I went on it there was a kid visibly jumping, squirming, and stamping around with a full bladder in the prep rooms right before you get on and all I could think was "oh man we just wasted a FastPass because this kid is going to pee his pants and shut the ride down so they can clean".
Agreed on the bathroom. That's a big complaint, especially when a ride was designed with a 6 hour queue line.
As for my rides, I never waiting more than 90 minutes, and that longest wait was because the ride malfunctioned and need a service. I went in September of 2017, literally 2 days after that monster hurricane rolled through. School was back in session and all the locals were rebuilding and cleaning up. The park was so empty. All of the other rides in the different parts of Animal Kingdom had a max wait time of 15 minutes.
The fourth time we road, we actually didn't even have to wait in line. On the third ride, my GF's glasses were missing a lense and she didn't realize until the ride started. When the ride ended, she showed the girl collecting the glasses and we got an escort through the bowels of Pandora and came out at the front of the line for the next batch of passengers. It was cool.
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The Avatar social media pages posted this pic yesterday. It's really cool to see Cameron being front in center getting the shots.
(https://preview.redd.it/vb87u42jy6q31.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=f03ad08dd07e3945ccd93359e15a0cee2135f3a0)
The internet seems to be in a dispute whether or not this thing is a boat.
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The Avatar social media pages posted this pic yesterday. It's really cool to see Cameron being front in center getting the shots.
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The internet seems to be in a dispute whether or not this thing is a boat.
It's from Titanic 2
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The Avatar social media pages posted this pic yesterday. It's really cool to see Cameron being front in center getting the shots.
Maybe "front and center"?
James Cameron and Michael Bay are always out front doing camera work. It's probably one of the main reasons why people love to work with them even though they can be difficult. It's the respect factor that they're right there in the trenches with the actors.
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Cameron released 4 teaser pics for the upcoming film :metal
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Spear fishing in some tide pools
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I'm not sure if that's a volcano or what
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Sea banshees confirmed!
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I really liked AVATAR and am very curious to see how these sequels go. They’ll undoubtedly be visually incredible.....just wondering what the story is.
Those screen shots look great.
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I don't think those are still from the movie itself. I'd be very surprised if we'll see any of the finished CGI work before the first trailer releases. These were labelled as "concept art" by Avatar's social media pages, but looking back at the concept art for the first film, the imagery was pretty spot on in regards to the final look and feel.
I would really like to see Cameron knock the 4 sequels out of the park. He's said in interviews that the first film will basically act as the prologue, setting up the world, its people, and a bit of a backstory as to why the humans are there in the first place. The real meat, or the main story if you will, is what the sequels will be tackling. I have no idea what to expect. It's confirmed that Jake and Neytiri will have children in the sequels, which confirms a good time jump. I assume this also means that the humans have also regrouped and will play a large role again as well.
I still stand by my prediction that the humans never left Pandora and simply relocated to another base or settlement somewhere else on the moon. There could be several for all we know.
One thing I'm really hoping for is that each movie tackles different regions/environments on the moon. The first movie focused on the forest, and the second one is confirmed to primarily revolve around clans of the sea. It'd be cool to explore all of what Pandora has to offer. The first movie revealed the existence of clans on the cliff sides and plains as well.
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Delayed again!
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Shocking.
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It sucks because that movie is wrapped up. Disney is just shifting their entire catalog.
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It sucks because that movie is wrapped up. Disney is just shifting their entire catalog.
Yeah, it's kind of odd that they shifted all Star Wars and Avatar out a year (they're alternating release years). It seems it would have made more sense to just push out star wars by 2 years and leave Avatar alone since Avatar is close to finished and there's nothing even started on the first Star Wars movie. But I'll trust the Disney folks know that they're doing. They obviously have a pretty good handle on how to run an entertainment business.
Honestly, I think it's increasingly likely with each passing week that I have seen my last new release in a theater. I think it's 50/50 if the theater industry survives all of this.
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It sucks because that movie is wrapped up. Disney is just shifting their entire catalog.
Yeah, it's kind of odd that they shifted all Star Wars and Avatar out a year (they're alternating release years). It seems it would have made more sense to just push out star wars by 2 years and leave Avatar alone since Avatar is close to finished and there's nothing even started on the first Star Wars movie. But I'll trust the Disney folks know that they're doing. They obviously have a pretty good handle on how to run an entertainment business.
Honestly, I think it's increasingly likely with each passing week that I have seen my last new release in a theater. I think it's 50/50 if the theater industry survives all of this.
I think there are two main components.
1) I think Disney wanted the future releases for Star Wars and Avatar because they'd act as 8 straight years of marketing for the two theme parks that they just sank $2B+ into building.
2) I don't think they want the competition. I imagine there's a ton of movies that were scheduled for 2020 that have been pushed to 2021. They might fear movie goers being burned out by the time Avatar hit screens in December.
No way this kills the theater industry. It might take down the few giants that spent billions accumulating every theater in the country, but theaters themselves will bounce back. All the infrastructure will still be in place, and after Covid, people are going to be dying to get in a theater to see a film. There's too much money in the industry for it to not survive.
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It sucks because that movie is wrapped up. Disney is just shifting their entire catalog.
Yeah, it's kind of odd that they shifted all Star Wars and Avatar out a year (they're alternating release years). It seems it would have made more sense to just push out star wars by 2 years and leave Avatar alone since Avatar is close to finished and there's nothing even started on the first Star Wars movie. But I'll trust the Disney folks know that they're doing. They obviously have a pretty good handle on how to run an entertainment business.
Honestly, I think it's increasingly likely with each passing week that I have seen my last new release in a theater. I think it's 50/50 if the theater industry survives all of this.
I think there are two main components.
1) I think Disney wanted the future releases for Star Wars and Avatar because they'd act as 8 straight years of marketing for the two theme parks that they just sank $2B+ into building.
2) I don't think they want the competition. I imagine there's a ton of movies that were scheduled for 2020 that have been pushed to 2021. They might fear movie goers being burned out by the time Avatar hit screens in December.
No way this kills the theater industry. It might take down the few giants that spent billions accumulating every theater in the country, but theaters themselves will bounce back. All the infrastructure will still be in place, and after Covid, people are going to be dying to get in a theater to see a film. There's too much money in the industry for it to not survive.
Those are good point.
I'm not so sure about the theater industry. AMC, the biggest player, was not in great financial shape before all of this started. It's possible they, and other chains, will be able to declare bankruptcy and restructure their debt in a way to survive. Or maybe they get a bailout of some kind. But I don't see any major releases happening in 2020 in the US. Can they survive another 6 months of virtually no revenue? If they die, will someone be willing to buy the physical assets and restart a new theater chain? If Disney wasn't bleeding cash right now, I'd say they would be the most likely player to buy up physical theaters in order to control their entire movie revenue generation. I think smaller chains that have opened playing old movies might stand a better chance of surviving than the really big ones. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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It sucks because that movie is wrapped up. Disney is just shifting their entire catalog.
Yeah, it's kind of odd that they shifted all Star Wars and Avatar out a year (they're alternating release years). It seems it would have made more sense to just push out star wars by 2 years and leave Avatar alone since Avatar is close to finished and there's nothing even started on the first Star Wars movie. But I'll trust the Disney folks know that they're doing. They obviously have a pretty good handle on how to run an entertainment business.
Honestly, I think it's increasingly likely with each passing week that I have seen my last new release in a theater. I think it's 50/50 if the theater industry survives all of this.
I think there are two main components.
1) I think Disney wanted the future releases for Star Wars and Avatar because they'd act as 8 straight years of marketing for the two theme parks that they just sank $2B+ into building.
2) I don't think they want the competition. I imagine there's a ton of movies that were scheduled for 2020 that have been pushed to 2021. They might fear movie goers being burned out by the time Avatar hit screens in December.
No way this kills the theater industry. It might take down the few giants that spent billions accumulating every theater in the country, but theaters themselves will bounce back. All the infrastructure will still be in place, and after Covid, people are going to be dying to get in a theater to see a film. There's too much money in the industry for it to not survive.
Those are good point.
I'm not so sure about the theater industry. AMC, the biggest player, was not in great financial shape before all of this started. It's possible they, and other chains, will be able to declare bankruptcy and restructure their debt in a way to survive. Or maybe they get a bailout of some kind. But I don't see any major releases happening in 2020 in the US. Can they survive another 6 months of virtually no revenue? If they die, will someone be willing to buy the physical assets and restart a new theater chain? If Disney wasn't bleeding cash right now, I'd say they would be the most likely player to buy up physical theaters in order to control their entire movie revenue generation. I think smaller chains that have opened playing old movies might stand a better chance of surviving than the really big ones. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
I think those are going to be the people that start buying up some of the screens that AMC might leave behind.
I think we're going to see a shift in what theaters are used for. I think it's stupid to just do movies, especially now that so many have restaurants and bars in them. Why not live stream sports into them. I imagine people would pay $20 to go watch UFC on a monster screen rather than pay for the paper view. Idk, maybe I'm being optimistic. I could have sworn my dad used to tell me when I was a kid how they used to air boxing matches at cinemas. Then again, lots of people probably didn't have TVs in the home then.
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Yeah, major sporting events would be great to watch on a big screen surrounded by other fans. Some of that was already starting to happen, but not enough. The Super Bowl, World Series, college football championship game, etc would be great and another way for those sports to generate revenue.
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It's f-ing mad that James Cameron has released one film since 1997.
23 years and counting.
It'll be 25 years by the time AvaTwo comes out.
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New vehicle from the next film unveiled :metal \
Can't wait to see what the oceans of Pandora have in store for us.
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Such a creative take on an underwater submersible by essentially making it a large crab.
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Is this going to be 3-D?
I only ask because it seems 3-D movies aren’t a thing anymore.
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Is this going to be 3-D?
I only ask because it seems 3-D movies aren’t a thing anymore.
It'll probably be in 3D and 60 FPS so it'll be like you're actually there with them. But 60 FPS will look nothing like a movie and will look closer to reality.
Like how The Hobbit in 48 FPS looked like a TV drama instead of a movie. But the next level beyond that.
Then the Blu Ray will probably be normal 24 FPS and look cinematic. So go to the cinema for the experience then get the BR for the actual 'movie'.
PS I re-watched Avatar recently fearing too much time had passed and now i'd hate it.
I didn't.
i still love it. F The Po Po.
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Is this going to be 3-D?
I only ask because it seems 3-D movies aren’t a thing anymore.
It will be :corn
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Incase anyone is interested, Dark Horse's latest Avatar comic just released.
There were six issues released a while ago that were part of a story called Tsu'tey's Path, which took place during the events of the first film. The new line of comics should be pretty cool because it's going to cover the events that take place between the OG film and the four upcoming sequels. From what I understand, the second film will start well after the events of the first film, after Jake and Neytiri have already popped out a few children. We'll get to see what happened in the gap period with these comics. It is the official continuation of Avatar's story ahead of its return to movie theaters.
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I can't remember--have you been to Pandora Land at Disney? If so, what did you think of it and the two rides?
Personally, I LOVED Flight of Passage. Best screen simulator ride, hands down, IMO.
The other one (nav'i river journey, or whatever it's called) didn't do it for me. Glad I got to see it once. But it's basically an Avatar-themed It's A Small World, which is cool, but not worth the line wait times. I would have liked it better if some of it was outside and followed the actual river that is there, more akin to Jungle Cruise, which is what I mistakenly expected.
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Gotta laugh when people who hated Avatar - or never went to see it and instead just parroted the Smurfahontos jokes ad nauseam - say that James Cameron is
money grabbing doing four Avatar sequels - when
• It's been 11 years since the first film
• He hasn't done any movies in between to cash in on his 'fame'
• He didn't re - release Avatar when Avengers Endgame toppled Avatar from #1 All Time.
• If he really wanted an easy pay day - he could have crapped out 3 Avatar sequels in 2011, 2013, 2015 but instead is taking his damn sweet time to
make the films he really wants to make and - allegedly - has always wanted to make - but has been waiting for the tech to be right.
He's not Michael Bay - who would be on Avatar 7 by now.
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I can't remember--have you been to Pandora Land at Disney? If so, what did you think of it and the two rides?
Personally, I LOVED Flight of Passage. Best screen simulator ride, hands down, IMO.
The other one (nav'i river journey, or whatever it's called) didn't do it for me. Glad I got to see it once. But it's basically an Avatar-themed It's A Small World, which is cool, but not worth the line wait times. I would have liked it better if some of it was outside and followed the actual river that is there, more akin to Jungle Cruise, which is what I mistakenly expected.
Yeah, I went in Sept 2017, literally two days after FL got hammered by a hurricane. The park was empty and I went on TFOP 4 times. I bet I didn't spend more than 2 hours in line in total between all the rides. Subject matter aside, that was hands down the most awesome ride I've ever been on.
The river ride was stunning, but kind of underwhelming. Had I waited more than the 20 minutes I did for it, I would have been really disappointed. Definitely worth at least one ride though, imo. As an avatard, I noticed a lot of cool things sprinkled throughout that ride that most riders likely don't really notice or pick up on.
I will say though, I think Disney had a big swing and a miss when it came to the night time version of the park. I expected way more given the movie and the money that went into the attractions. Then again, the park isn't open that late, so odds are like 90% of the hours spent in that park are done so during the day time. If that's the reasoning, I can understand why it wasn't as big of a focus.
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I will say though, I think Disney had a big swing and a miss when it came to the night time version of the park. I expected way more given the movie and the money that went into the attractions. Then again, the park isn't open that late, so odds are like 90% of the hours spent in that park are done so during the day time. If that's the reasoning, I can understand why it wasn't as big of a focus.
Agreed. And not just Pandora. I think it may somewhat be because of the more limited hours, but think it is more the limited crowds in that particular park. The Imagineers just didn't seem to try as hard in a lot of the lands within that park. You can really see it in DinoLand USA. But another kind of tell-tale is that it is barely decorated for the holidays throughout most of the park as well. It's a shame, because I really enjoy a lot of it. But it is probably the most neglected, and after having gone there twice, I probably would not go again if doing a Florida Disney trip.
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I wish JC had done more films in between the Avatar films because I love all his films and he can definitely direct action.
I re-watched Avatar last year and was a bit worried as i'd not seen it for years and thought i'd hate it now - nope.
I love how JC directs action - it's zoomed out so you can see everything that is going on. Not like a Transformers movie where it's zoomed in shaky cam and it's a confusing mess.
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I will say though, I think Disney had a big swing and a miss when it came to the night time version of the park. I expected way more given the movie and the money that went into the attractions. Then again, the park isn't open that late, so odds are like 90% of the hours spent in that park are done so during the day time. If that's the reasoning, I can understand why it wasn't as big of a focus.
Agreed. And not just Pandora. I think it may somewhat be because of the more limited hours, but think it is more the limited crowds in that particular park. The Imagineers just didn't seem to try as hard in a lot of the lands within that park. You can really see it in DinoLand USA. But another kind of tell-tale is that it is barely decorated for the holidays throughout most of the park as well. It's a shame, because I really enjoy a lot of it. But it is probably the most neglected, and after having gone there twice, I probably would not go again if doing a Florida Disney trip.
I've read that Animal Kingdom kind of gets the shaft at night because of the animals (understandable). It's why that park has the light show instead of all the fireworks like the other parks. Animal Kingdom is the only park I've been to outside of Epcot when I was maybe 19 or so. I really liked Animal Kingdom, maybe even more than Epcot, but I really don't have anything to compare it to.
I wish JC had done more films in between the Avatar films because I love all his films and he can definitely direct action.
I re-watched Avatar last year and was a bit worried as i'd not seen it for years and thought i'd hate it now - nope.
I love how JC directs action - it's zoomed out so you can see everything that is going on. Not like a Transformers movie where it's zoomed in shaky cam and it's a confusing mess.
The thing though is that it's not like JC was just sitting around. The 4 sequels have been in the works since the first film came out. At the beginning the plan was to make three more movies, and after about a year in the writers' room with the team, it was decided that there was too much material and a fourth film was needed. 2 and 3 were filmed together, and 4 and 5 are in the works now. He couldn't have made another film if he wanted to. From what I understand the second movie is 100% finished and ready for theaters. It's in Disney's hands now. The third film is done filming and is now getting the post-production treatment.
Didn't he have a cave diving movie of some kind come out after Avatar?
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I will say though, I think Disney had a big swing and a miss when it came to the night time version of the park. I expected way more given the movie and the money that went into the attractions. Then again, the park isn't open that late, so odds are like 90% of the hours spent in that park are done so during the day time. If that's the reasoning, I can understand why it wasn't as big of a focus.
Agreed. And not just Pandora. I think it may somewhat be because of the more limited hours, but think it is more the limited crowds in that particular park. The Imagineers just didn't seem to try as hard in a lot of the lands within that park. You can really see it in DinoLand USA. But another kind of tell-tale is that it is barely decorated for the holidays throughout most of the park as well. It's a shame, because I really enjoy a lot of it. But it is probably the most neglected, and after having gone there twice, I probably would not go again if doing a Florida Disney trip.
Huh.... we loved animal kingdom. Rivaling magic kingdom as our favorite park there. To each their own I guess. I thought the theming was pretty amazing throughout most of the park. I do agree about dinoland though. That was a little underwhelming and could use a redo (Zootopia land maybe?). We didn't make it over to the Pandora land at night, so I can't comment on that, but it was pretty awesome during the day and the rides were great. Flight of Passage was of course amazing and I liked the other ride a lot, but I'm a sucker of Disney dark rides even though they're not terribly exciting.
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From what I hear - Jim Cameron plans to release Avatar 2 & 3 at least - then if they do well enough - then he will finish up 4 & 5.
But he's going to wait and see how well 2 & 3 do first..
Maybe we're looking at a future where 4&5 go to streaming or 3D Blu Ray only - if 2 & 3 don't go as well as hoped.
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@xizor: Oh, I'm not knocking it. It is a great park. I'm just saying it suffers in comparison, that's all. Actually, now that I think about it, I guess I wouldn't just not go. But I wouldn't go for a full, standalone day. I would do it with a park hopper and go hang out at another park for part of the day too. That's what I did the first time I visited: Animal Kingdom until sunset, then dinner outside the park, then Magic Kingdom until it closed. THAT was a great Disney day!
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From what I hear - Jim Cameron plans to release Avatar 2 & 3 at least - then if they do well enough - then he will finish up 4 & 5.
But he's going to wait and see how well 2 & 3 do first..
Maybe we're looking at a future where 4&5 go to streaming or 3D Blu Ray only - if 2 & 3 don't go as well as hoped.
Nah. You're referencing an old article (I remember the interview you're talking about). That's no longer the case. All 4 movies were officially greenlit and have been written. 3 and 4 are well underway and were been being filmed for pretty much the entirety of 2020 (minus a Covid pause), and Disney has already slated them into their future schedules. No way 3 and 4 don't get made at this point.
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The Pandora world for sure is a treat to walk through, the pictures simply don't do it justice in terms of the scale of the park and setup. I actually really liked how it was in the night time, it had a very ominous look to it.
We couldn't go on the Flight of Passage ride as the waits were insane and we went in December right before Christmas because of family visiting. I find Animal Kingdom quite enjoyable, they tend to be not so crowded as the other parks. Apart from the Pandora ride everything else doesn't take a lot of time.
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From what I hear - Jim Cameron plans to release Avatar 2 & 3 at least - then if they do well enough - then he will finish up 4 & 5.
But he's going to wait and see how well 2 & 3 do first..
Maybe we're looking at a future where 4&5 go to streaming or 3D Blu Ray only - if 2 & 3 don't go as well as hoped.
Nah. You're referencing an old article (I remember the interview you're talking about). That's no longer the case. All 4 movies were officially greenlit and have been written. 3 and 4 are well underway and were been being filmed for pretty much the entirety of 2020 (minus a Covid pause), and Disney has already slated them into their future schedules. No way 3 and 4 don't get made at this point.
As I recall - he's making all 4 sequels but might hold back on releasing 4 & 5 until 2 & 3 do well. We'll have to find the article...
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In an interview with Vanity Fair, Cameron admitted that if Avatar 2 and 3 don't perform well at the box office, plans to release the fourth and fifth instalments could easily change.
"Let’s face it, if Avatar 2 and 3 don’t make enough money, there’s not going to be a 4 and 5," he said.
"They’re fully encapsulated stories in and of themselves. It builds across the five films to a greater kind of meta narrative, but they’re fully formed films in their own right, unlike, say, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, where you really just had to sort of go, 'Oh, s--t, all right, well I guess I better come back next year.' Even though that all worked and everybody did."
Of course this was nearly 4 years ago now. Also i'm glad each film is a complete film in it's own right. James Cameron and I both think cliffhangers are really cheap ways
of getting you to keep coming back.
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New concept art for the Metkayina village has been release :corn
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It reminds me of the ceilings in Mohegan Sun Casino
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Avatar 2 is either going to be f---ing jaw dropping and a billion dollar movie - or it's gonna be about the same as the first one and do nowhere near as well.
However - Aliens, Judgement Day - He has a good track record for sequels.
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For Chino :chino:
Nga yawne lu oer...
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Slight non-sequiter - BUT :
I just realised that - people still rip the piss out of AVATAR for having a formulaic and predictable script -
when pretty much all the MCU movies follow the same formula for the most part. But nobody mentions that.
I stand on my soap box that - if Avatar was just a decent hit - say $850m instead of $2.7bn - it wouldn't have had so much hate.
For some reason - if something is massively successful - people have this need to PROVE it was actually shit.
Not a diss on the MCU as I loved it and an amazing accomplishment - building a movie franchise over a decade - that mostly improves as it goes along.
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That being said - the MCU Phase 4 movies i'm excited about are :
• SpiderMan 3
• Guardians 3
• Doctor Strange 2 ( although I dont like Sam Raimi's style )
• Thor 4. Hope it's as good as Ragnarok and they don't double down on everything that made that film great - and over do it.
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People shit on Avatar because it was Ferngully and Pocahontas. You're always generalizing with the "people hate stuff because it's cool" crap. I'm in the group that doesn't like Nickelback. I don't like them because I think their music is awful. Not because it's the cool thing to do. I've never seen Avatar so I can't comment too much, but I just never bought into the hype. It didnt look interesting to me.
Marvel movies have the formula of heroes vs villians. Just like the comics. Sometimes those villians are just the opposite of the good guys. Like what was pointed out in the movie Unbreakable.
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I've no idea where this idea that Avatar is hated and "shit on" has come from. It has a very respectable 7.8 average on IMDB, better than a lot of (perhaps most) MCU movies, and comfortably higher than almost all of the early MCU films.
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I do think the hate on Avatar is overhyped, but I also get that even people who like it seem to mostly see it as a achievement of SFX and cinematography.
There's derivative, and then there's borderline plagiarism. Example. Much of what is classified as progressive rock tends to wear their influences on their sleeves quite a bit. When it's done as an homage of something that works, it tends to be workable, but you can also forgive it for being a bit derivative. But once in awhile, something crosses the line into being an obvious rip off. I still really like Grendel by Marillion....but I still can't figure out how they pulled off that ending section without getting sued by Genesis. It's such a blatant lift of the Apocalypse section of Supper's Ready that it's amazing to me there wasn't a lawsuit.
So in short, even people who like the movie (me for instance) tend to call it out for being all about the amazing SFX and being *extremely* close to plagiarism with the story. It's still a fun ride, but I'm really hoping the sequels don't just tear pages out of 3 other movie scripts just to save money on hiring people who write things.
But this argument belongs in either the Avatar thread, or a new thread altogether.
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So Avatar was re-released in China ( as they wanted to start showing movies in the cinema again )... So it has reclaimed the #1 All Time spot.
Of Course Avengers fans are saying :"LOLOL Cameron had to re-release avatar four times to get back the #1 spot !!! " **
When all the previous "re-release" ( and there was only 1 ) - was YEARS before even Age of Ultron came out.
Funny though that the 2 highest grossing movies of all time both begin with Av.....
And yes - it is possible to love both films. :dunno: I can't wait for Avatar 2 - I also can't wait for Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2. Thor 4 and Spiderman 3.
:tup
Really bores me when people can't enjoy something without the constant need to shit on something else in return. It's not like Kevin Feige and Jim Cameron are bitter enemies.
** Disney now owns FOX - and MARVEL - so any re-release would be Disney's call ironically.
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Slight non-sequiter - BUT :
I just realised that - people still rip the piss out of AVATAR for having a formulaic and predictable script -
when pretty much all the MCU movies follow the same formula for the most part. But nobody mentions that.
I stand on my soap box that - if Avatar was just a decent hit - say $850m instead of $2.7bn - it wouldn't have had so much hate.
For some reason - if something is massively successful - people have this need to PROVE it was actually shit.
I say this all the time.
There's a "sweet spot" like:
$0 - $50m = total bust
$50m - $100m = bust, but gets a cult following that makes it good for some reason
$100m - $500m = successful
$500m - $1b = best movie ever
>$1b = worst movie ever
Also, Avatar = Fern Gulley = Pocahontas = Dances with Wolves = Last Samurai = blah blah blah. Similar stories are told over and over cuz they're great stories. People can think of them as crossovers or something if that helps.
Just cuz a movie follows a blueprint doesn't automatically make it bad but too many people, sadly a lot of "educated" writers, can't think critically like that and just use it as a reason to hate on something (calling it unoriginal or blatant plagiarism) even though they may just hate it for something else (didn't like the shade of blue they used) but they can't say that so they print the old standard "ripoff" review.
I loved Avatar. I cried several times in the theater. Like, snot bubbles and everything. I was able to get emotionally invested easily, so does that mean I should just think it's shit cuz it follows a model? These idiot trash-writers think everyone should hate on something just cuz they didn't like it. They never seem to look at it from other angles or from other points-of-view.
Anyway, bring on the of the sequels!
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Just cuz a movie follows a blueprint doesn't automatically make it bad but too many people, sadly a lot of "educated" writers, can't think critically like that and just use it as a reason to hate on something (calling it unoriginal or blatant plagiarism) even though they may just hate it for something else (didn't like the shade of blue they used) but they can't say that so they print the old standard "ripoff" review.
Or they are rightly criticizing it for a complete lack of originality (at least in the plotting - plenty of creativity in the visuals and world building). No, it doesn't automatically make it bad, but it definitely disappoints, and beginning with a plot that has already been used 14 times in other well-known films means that, for many people, the movie starts off with one hand tied behind its back.
Also, not sure why you think a lot of educated writers can't think critically. I don't even know what that means. I also don't get what you mean by critics claiming to criticize for one element rather than the actual element of the film which bothers them.
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I will second what Hef said. To those that loved it, great. For those that didn't, a good many have valid criticisms.
For me personally, I liked it. I didn't love it. I have probably seen it 4 times since release. Each time, I enjoyed it well enough. But it fits squarely into "generic summer blockbuster" territory for me. Good popcorn film, but not much more than that, so I personally feel like it is very overrated. But again, for those who loved it, great. I don't and can't begrudge anyone that.
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Also, not sure why you think a lot of educated writers can't think critically. I don't even know what that means. I also don't get what you mean by critics claiming to criticize for one element rather than the actual element of the film which bothers them.
I think critics are in it mostly for the views and will crap on what's "popular", such as with re-telling of a classic story, cuz that's what everyone is talking about.
However, they may actually enjoy the re-telling* but actually dislike something "uncommon" with the film... such as why the Avatars had 5 fingers instead of 4, or why the Na'vi were all left-handed, or why there was no background/motivation for Quarich that made him just want to kill stuff.
Rather than complain about stuff like that they just add to the pile of what "most" people are complaining about just so they can be a part of it and get views.
Obviously, there are critics that don't do this, but it seems to me that so many would rather just join the bandwagon of complaining about the same things others are rather than offer a unique take on other aspects.
* For me personally, I saw Avatar during a very awful time in my life regarding mortality/life/death and I fell in love with the idea of the Na'vi and the way their souls speak directly to the planet and they become a part of it when their body dies. I don't believe in God or an afterlife, it'll be great if there is one, but Avatar really gave me the feels even though it's the same old story.
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Also, not sure why you think a lot of educated writers can't think critically. I don't even know what that means. I also don't get what you mean by critics claiming to criticize for one element rather than the actual element of the film which bothers them.
I think critics are in it mostly for the views and will crap on what's "popular", such as with re-telling of a classic story, cuz that's what everyone is talking about.
However, they may actually enjoy the re-telling* but actually dislike something "uncommon" with the film... such as why the Avatars had 5 fingers instead of 4, or why the Na'vi were all left-handed, or why there was no background/motivation for Quarich that made him just want to kill stuff.
Rather than complain about stuff like that they just add to the pile of what "most" people are complaining about just so they can be a part of it and get views.
Obviously, there are critics that don't do this, but it seems to me that so many would rather just join the bandwagon of complaining about the same things others are rather than offer a unique take on other aspects.
* For me personally, I saw Avatar during a very awful time in my life regarding mortality/life/death and I fell in love with the idea of the Na'vi and the way their souls speak directly to the planet and they become a part of it when their body dies. I don't believe in God or an afterlife, it'll be great if there is one, but Avatar really gave me the feels even though it's the same old story.
It's a shame. A lot of the criticisms I've seen of this movie have revolved around stuff like that. There were some awesome deleted scenes that really helped tie in some of those character traits. The Survival Guide also dug into a lot of the past and laid the groundwork for much of the first film. I'm hoping that at some point in the next four films, some of that becomes clear.
We already know Quaritch is coming back. I'm really curious to see how that happens. In A1 he said in his opening monolog that the arrows of the Na'vi were dipped in a neurotoxin that will stop a heart in one minute. Well.. he got shot with two of them in his heart, so I'm pretty sure he's toast. There's a chance that what was shot was a human avatar, but I'm not convinced of that because of the scars on his head.
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You know nobody has anything bad to say about it beyond lol smurf a hontas because thats the only thing I ever see.
One theory is that Quaritch was an Avatar of himself . Maybe he just liked the scars ( he said he did ) and carried it over.
OR there are actually some bad Navi on the planet who did the soul transferring into a new Quaritch navi Body.
Who knows :p
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Also, not sure why you think a lot of educated writers can't think critically. I don't even know what that means. I also don't get what you mean by critics claiming to criticize for one element rather than the actual element of the film which bothers them.
I think critics are in it mostly for the views and will crap on what's "popular", such as with re-telling of a classic story, cuz that's what everyone is talking about.
However, they may actually enjoy the re-telling* but actually dislike something "uncommon" with the film... such as why the Avatars had 5 fingers instead of 4, or why the Na'vi were all left-handed, or why there was no background/motivation for Quarich that made him just want to kill stuff.
Rather than complain about stuff like that they just add to the pile of what "most" people are complaining about just so they can be a part of it and get views.
Obviously, there are critics that don't do this, but it seems to me that so many would rather just join the bandwagon of complaining about the same things others are rather than offer a unique take on other aspects.
* For me personally, I saw Avatar during a very awful time in my life regarding mortality/life/death and I fell in love with the idea of the Na'vi and the way their souls speak directly to the planet and they become a part of it when their body dies. I don't believe in God or an afterlife, it'll be great if there is one, but Avatar really gave me the feels even though it's the same old story.
I'm not sure why you assume that their motivations are anything other than what they appear to be. Frankly, the lack of background/motivation for Quaritch is a legitimate criticism. And if a critic has issues with the same things that other people do, then there is a reason that everyone has issues with that thing, whatever it is.
The fact that you like, or even love, a film doesn't mean that critics are wrong when they take issue with certain things in the film. It means that you aren't judging the film by the same standards that they are, or that, for you, the film works, despite the fact that it doesn't for others. This happens literally ALL THE TIME. There are critically acclaimed films that I can't watch all the way through, and there are films that I hold close to my heart that were critically reviled.
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Just realized that the messages are merged from the other MCU thread which is why the title of some replies say MCU no spoilers.. lol
Anywayw.. huge fan of both Avatar and MCU, more fun for me...
Oddly enough the 1st time I saw Avatar, I didn't much care for it. It was the repeated viewings that really made me a huge fan. Also love all the extended stuff. The theme park is great too.
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I thought i'd be the opposite. I saw it in 3D the first time and it was PURE entertainment. I rewatched it on Blu Ray just recently and expected to
now hate it after so much time. But I still loved it.
And that's all it's supposed to be. FUN. Something to ENJOY for two hours.
I don't go to the cinema to watch Waiting For Godot. I know Star Trek Into Darkness and The Rise of Skywalker are both big silly action fests - but I don't
go into a movie expecting to learn a life lesson - I go to have fun for two hours and forget about my life.
I don't understand those people who presumably go to the cinema with a Sharpie and a Notebook with the title
" Everything about the film that SUCKS :angry: "
I think because of shows like Half In The Bag and Cinema Sins and Nostalgia Critic etc... Everyone is now a film critic and watches movies primarily to find flaws
rather than just enjoy it. If you search a movie on YouTube - the majority of videos are : THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS MOVIE.
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I think that's a really good point. A positive, forgiving viewpoint can only increase the enjoyment.
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I think because of shows like Half In The Bag and Cinema Sins and Nostalgia Critic etc... Everyone is now a film critic and watches movies primarily to find flaws
rather than just enjoy it. If you search a movie on YouTube - the majority of videos are : THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS MOVIE.
No, i don't think that's true. I think there is a cause and effect relationship you aren't seeing. Because you have watched some of those Half in the Bag videos, etc., your YouTube search algorithms have taken that into account and now tend to show you videos of those types when you search for movies. There are TONS of videos out there praising every movie under the sun.
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I've only seen the movie on blu-ray, and found it bland and forgettable. Which, to me, means that while the movie had ground-breaking FX, the story and characters were lacking. I didn't hate it, just have no desire to ever see it again.
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No I don't think that's true.
i'm shocked
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I've only seen the movie on blu-ray, and found it bland and forgettable. Which, to me, means that while the movie had ground-breaking FX, the story and characters were lacking. I didn't hate it, just have no desire to ever see it again.
I have the some feeling although I saw it in theaters when it came out. The 3D didn't really do it for me which was part of the draw and maybe it was where I was sitting but I barely remember any immersive moments as far as the technology went. Flat story and characters aside I also didn't find the world compelling at all since I felt I was basically looking at Earth with some CGI effects instead of a truly alien world.
That aside the best thing that came out of Avatar is the Flight of Passage ride at Disney which is by far the coolest ride I've ever been on. I'd line up for that sumbitch any day.
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I loved Avatar in the theater. I thought the 3D was immersive and amazing and added something to the movie which made it special and unique. No other movie I saw in 3D came close. I think this is what kept people coming back to it. Seeing it now on dvd/blue ray, it doesn't have the same visual appeal but I still enjoy the movie.
Like everything that is extremely popular or successful it is going to have its very vocal detractors. The story of course isn't unique, some of the dialogue is clunky but the world building is amazing and James Cameron is the master of building an action scene.
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We already know Quaritch is coming back. I'm really curious to see how that happens. In A1 he said in his opening monolog that the arrows of the Na'vi were dipped in a neurotoxin that will stop a heart in one minute. Well.. he got shot with two of them in his heart, so I'm pretty sure he's toast. There's a chance that what was shot was a human avatar, but I'm not convinced of that because of the scars on his head.
One thing I'm *REALLY* tired of is characters not staying dead. There's absolutely no weight to their deaths any more. Now they're bringing Han back in the next Fast and Furious with some bullshit. I've been guaranteeing my friends that Gal Gadot will also not be dead somehow.
Your Quaritch theory is interesting, and plausible, since avatars have already been established.
I'm not sure why you assume that their motivations are anything other than what they appear to be. Frankly, the lack of background/motivation for Quaritch is a legitimate criticism. And if a critic has issues with the same things that other people do, then there is a reason that everyone has issues with that thing, whatever it is.
The fact that you like, or even love, a film doesn't mean that critics are wrong when they take issue with certain things in the film. It means that you aren't judging the film by the same standards that they are, or that, for you, the film works, despite the fact that it doesn't for others. This happens literally ALL THE TIME. There are critically acclaimed films that I can't watch all the way through, and there are films that I hold close to my heart that were critically reviled.
No problem. Maybe I just can't articulate my point effectively. Thanks.
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I love all the action in AVATAR. The way you can actually see exactly what's happening.
Not like a Michael Bay movie where they can't be bothered choreographing a scene so they zoom right in and shake the camera around instead.
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^That is a good point. Also, the immersive nature of the film. You don't necessarily have to watch it in 3D to get that immersive feeling. The way it was shot, and the overall cinematography are built around immersing you in this beautiful alien world that Cameron constructed. And that is all perfectly brilliant. I have to acknowledge that. I have to give props for it. And then when you add the 3D layer on top, I have to praise that as well. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, it was just done so well, and was made part of the experience rather than simply a gimmick to make the audience oooh and ahhh when the random object seemingly hurls out of the screen directly at them. It didn't rely on 3D as a cheap gimmick the way a lot of 3D films have. It was used extremely well. The film deserves its praise for all of that.
But at the end of the day, even giving props for all of that, it still doesn't change my overall feelings for the film. I'm still left with: Yeah, I liked it well enough. It was good, as far as summer action blockbusters go. Maybe even really good. But not something that hooks me the same way as a lot of other films or film franchises. I just can't put it on the same level as, say, Star Wars, or the MCU, or the LOTR films (originals, not The Hobbit trilogy, which was good, but also largely a hot mess). I guess I'd probably put it up there with the Harry Potter films. In the same way, I can appreciate those. And I can watch each of them a few times and enjoy them well enough. But they are nothing I am interested in watching over and over again, and very little that resonates on a very deep emotional level.
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Because Jim Cameron waited about 12 years for the tech to catch up to what he wanted instead of using shoddy 3D tech in 1999 when he originally wanted to start Avatar.
Which is why I can't wait for Avatar 2. It's mo cap underwater - which has never been done before. And again - Jim waited for the tech to catch up to his vision
instead of rushing out Avatar 2 and 3 ASAP for the easy $. It confuses the fuck out of me when people say he's just cashing in.
Cashing in ? By waiting 13 years to release Avatar 2 instead of completely half-arsing it in 2 years and basically making the same film again ?
Ok. ???
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I think Avatar 2 will either be mind blowing and be a 2.5 billion dollar movie - or it will visually stunning as per usual but people won't be as into it and it will make around $1.5bn.
I predict that 2 will do really good numbers and then the rest will make incrementally smaller box office.
I think Chino will refute it - but I think if Avatar 2 and 3 don't perform THAT well - then 4 and 5 might not see a cinema release.
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I think Chino will refute it - but I think if Avatar 2 and 3 don't perform THAT well - then 4 and 5 might not see a cinema release.
I'd say there's a near zero probability of that happening. For one, they'll already be done by the time A3 wraps up it's theatrical run. Disney has already staggered their Christmas releases for the next decade to alternate between Avatar and Star Wars. I doubt they're going to deviate from that schedule. Remember, Disney just sunk like $3B into building amusement parks for both of those franchises. They need to keep supporting those for a time.
Also, it's important to note, Disney will still make money of A4 and A5 even if they "flop". I imagine each of those movies would still make $300M-$400M a piece in a worst case scenario, which would still be profitable for Disney.
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I love all the action in AVATAR. The way you can actually see exactly what's happening.
Not like a Michael Bay movie where they can't be bothered choreographing a scene so they zoom right in and shake the camera around instead.
Exactly. Why waste all that time and effort to make nice choreography if you're so zoomed-in all the time to the point where I can barely tell who's punching whom?
I love Michael Bay (shaddap) movies for a lot of reasons but hate them for this exact reason. I've watched the final fight in Revenge of the Fallen a million times and I'm still trying to figure out what's actually happening. Move the camera back and let us breathe and take-in the big picture of the fight once in a while.
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I guess it's World's Oceans Day, and in celebration Jon Landau shared this piece of concept art from the sequels.
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I'll probably watch these films if they ever come out. Loved the first one. Love James Cameron. But i'm not counting the days.
But you just know Avatar haters will rush to their computers to call Avatar 2 a MASSIVE FLOP LOL if it makes less than $3bn
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First one was a great cinema experience, but a pretty average film when I tried to rewatched at home. The constant narration is a strange choice too.
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I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand the love some people have for it, but I could also say the same for other films, and I'm sure that other people could say the same about films that I love.
Cameron is really swinging for the fences here, so even if it's just out of respect for the audacity, I wish him success.
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But you just know Avatar haters will rush to their computers to call Avatar 2 a MASSIVE FLOP LOL if it makes less than $3bn
Yeah. They might. So what? Is there any reason you seem to feel such a compelling need to point this out every time you post in this thread?
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The same reason absolutely everyone disagrees with me every time I post anything I guess.
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" John Oliver takes aim at ‘Avatar’ sequels: “No one gives a shit” take as long as you want.."
Well clearly YOU do... :lolpalm:
Why else would you completely randomly say that?? :p If we were inundated with Avatar sequels every year and Avatar news and updates every other day MAYBE i'd agree with you..
But it's been TWELVE years. Why would anyone still HATE Avatar this much after 12 years when there's been zero sequels so far and barely any news ?
What a strange thing to suddenly come out with.
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Probably apathy is a better word too associate with Avatar? To me it's one of those films that came, was huge (maybe because of the experience, rather than the story) then quickly fell out of public conscious. From a personal experience, I enjoyed it at the cinema, but when I went to re watch it a couple of years later I don't think I even finished it.
I did very much enjoy the ride at Disney though, that was awesome - but didn't want to make me watch the film again though!
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If I don’t like a film - I accept it and move on :justjen
Now I hope that Avatar 1-5 occupy all top 5 movies of all time.
Just to really annoy the people who bang on and on about how much they
hated that one film from 2009.
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If I don’t like a film - I accept it and move on :justjen
Now I hope that Avatar 1-5 occupy all top 5 movies of all time.
Just to really annoy the people who bang on and on about how much they
hated that one film from 2009.
Trying to fathom why things are so popular, yet seems so crap to us can be annoying - case in point (and this you'll agree with me) Ed Sheeran ;D
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In that case - I can admit if I like a pop song - I have a massive Spotify playlist for all the POP songs I really like.
But _his_ pop songs are just so utterly generic. If they were great pop songs too ok fine. But they're really like bottom of the barrel least amount of effort "that will do." :sadpanda:
Anyway - compared to Avatar - which took like 3 years of the top people in the industry working at the top of their game.
James Cameron spent like a YEAR in the motion capture space picking the shots for all the CG footage.
And as I said before - it's been TWELVE YEARS. If Jim Cameron was some greedy cash grabber - he could have EASILY crapped out two sequels by now for an easy payday.
Imagine it :
2012 : Avatar II : The Rise of Quaritch
2015 : Avatar III : The Battle for Eywa
:puke:
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" John Oliver takes aim at ‘Avatar’ sequels: “No one gives a shit” take as long as you want.."
Well clearly YOU do... :lolpalm:
Why else would you completely randomly say that?? :p
Because we've been hearing about these sequels seemingly since the first film came out.
Announcement, linger, delay, linger, delay, delay, etc.
Just a useful piece of pop culture "We're still waiting" trivia to pluck from. He could just as easily have referenced The Winds of Winter from George R. R. Martin.
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So in that case he DOES care and is...*checks notes* tired of waiting ?
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" John Oliver takes aim at ‘Avatar’ sequels: “No one gives a shit” take as long as you want.."
Well clearly YOU do... :lolpalm:
Why else would you completely randomly say that?? :p
Because we've been hearing about these sequels seemingly since the first film came out.
Announcement, linger, delay, linger, delay, delay, etc.
Just a useful piece of pop culture "We're still waiting" trivia to pluck from. He could just as easily have referenced The Winds of Winter from George R. R. Martin.
It went more like:
1) Announcement there'd be two more movies
2) Linger
3) Delay
4) Announcement there'd be three more movies
5) Linger
6) Announcement there'd be four new movies
7) Linger
8) Covid delayed production for 4 months
8.5) Cameron announces quite a while ago that 2 and 3 are done done.
9) Covid forced Disney to delay further because of their alternating Avatar/Star Wars holiday schedule for the next 8 years. They couldn't have both franchises release in the same December.
Not saying you are, but a lot of people give James shit for this project taking 12 years to come to fruition. They've done a terrible job at keeping the public up to date on what's to come (or maybe the public doesn't care). But I've conversed with many people that say something to the tune of "When's the sequel finally coming out?" and then they're shocked to hear there are actually four more films on the way.
I really hope the wait is worth it. I think writing and filming the rest of the franchise together is really going to make for a very polished end product. The CEO of AMC said he got a sneak peak at the second film last week and called it "mind blowing". I mean, I highly doubt the CEO of a theater chain is going to say anything that might sway someone to not see it in a theater, but still.
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So in that case he DOES care and is...*checks notes* tired of waiting ?
I doubt he cares very much at all.
I doubt very many people do, actually. I think Cameron is going to have to re-stoke the fires that the original started. It's been too damn long. It was huge, for sure, but it was only one film. It's not Star Wars, it's not the Avengers.
I mean, I'm not one of those longtime fans. I am speaking as a mildly interested outsider. I wish him well, and I hope the sequels turn out well.
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It’s the Chinese Democracy of film at this point.
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I'd agree if it was ONE film - but he's doing FOUR films. And they take THREE years each.
Of course i'd prefer it was JUST AVATAR 2 and 3. I'd be fine with two more.
Apparently if nobody really responds to 2 and 3 - he's gonna cancel 4 and 5.
I'd rather wait twelve years and be absolutely blown away than wait 2 years and get the exact same film again.
He's not Michael Bay. He originally wanted to make Avatar in like 1999 but the tech wasn't good enough for how realistic he wanted.
It wasn't until he saw Gollum in PJ's Lord Of The Rings that he knew the tech was good enough.
Plus Avatar 2 is reportedly the first movie EVER to use *underwater* motion capture. I'm very interested in how it's gonna look.
I'm not mad keen on the idea of 60 FPS because i thought The Hobbit looked like a TV show and that was 48 FPS.
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I'd agree if it was ONE film - but he's doing FOUR films. And they take THREE years each.
Of course i'd prefer it was JUST AVATAR 2 and 3. I'd be fine with two more.
Apparently if nobody really responds to 2 and 3 - he's gonna cancel 4 and 5.
I'd rather wait twelve years and be absolutely blown away than wait 2 years and get the exact same film again.
Where does this idea come from? I've seen many people repeat this line, and I don't get why. 2 and 3 are already done, and 4 and 5 are well into development and will most likely be long done filming by the time the third film comes out. Disney sunk a stupid amount of money into a theme park around the franchise. They're not going to pull the plug and not release 4 and 5, especially if they're already near completion or done.
He's not Michael Bay. He originally wanted to make Avatar in like 1999 but the tech wasn't good enough for how realistic he wanted.
I think he actually wanted to make it prior to Titanic. I thought he had the script done in 1996 or so. Don't quote me on that though.
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I dunno i've seen it around a lot...
But i'd much rather he did 2 and 3 AND THEN wait to see if people want more.
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I'd rather wait twelve years and be absolutely blown away than wait 2 years and get the exact same film again.
That's all well and good, but I suspect that the end result will be something along the lines of: We will have waited 12+ years, and while not getting the exact same film again, will have something far less than mind-blowing. But beyond that, who can say? It won't be for quite some time until we know whether Avatar will go down as a legendary franchise, a so-so franchise with some groundbreaking tech and effects, or something else.
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Looks like the info train is starting to leave the station! :corn I don't know if I want to take a peak or not when these issues drop.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-2-cinemacon-james-cameron-1235131009/
While Disney is keeping tight-lipped, CinemaCon attendees are expected to get a first glimpse at James Cameron’s wildly anticipated Avatar sequels — the first of which is scheduled to open Dec. 16 — during its slate presentation Wednesday at the theater owners confab.
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Are they pushing this for 3D or is that a thing of the past? I haven't followed this for a while.
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Are they pushing this for 3D or is that a thing of the past? I haven't followed this for a while.
Yes, with higher definition and quicker framerates as well.
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I'd consider this as good as confirmation. I'm am so sour and jealous of these people right now! It's finally happening. After 13 freaking years, the sequel's footage is finally here :chino:
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The first Avatar was probably Cameron's worst movie and the script/story/acting was super generic but I'll still probably watch the second one for the 'spectacle' alone. Besides Cameron has kinda earned my money after his strong 80s/90s run.
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Are they pushing this for 3D or is that a thing of the past? I haven't followed this for a while.
Yes, with higher definition and quicker framerates as well.
Ok, nice. Stupid question but will regular theaters play with that higher framerate or are we talking new gear for cinemas so to speak?
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Are they pushing this for 3D or is that a thing of the past? I haven't followed this for a while.
Yes, with higher definition and quicker framerates as well.
Ok, nice. Stupid question but will regular theaters play with that higher framerate or are we talking new gear for cinemas so to speak?
They'll play whatever version they're able to play. If they have the projectors that play the high frame versions, that's what they'll go with. In 2009, basically every theater upgraded to the new 3D projectors specifically for Avatar.
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My understanding is that the sequel is being made available in several formats, 3D, high framerate, various IMAX formats, etc..
This is the tweet (https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1519034704653164544?s=20&t=Pll5s9RN1htYJ22mo7cV8A)I found regarding the releaseBreaking AVATAR 2 news: NATO chief John Fithian in press session with #CinemaCon media just said that James Cameron's sequel "will have more versions" than any movie in history: IMAX, 3D, PLF, high-res, high frames-per-second rate, variable sound systems, in 160 languages, etc.
It just means your theater will play whatever version is available to them.
EDIT: OH snap, not faster than Chino, and we referenced the same source!
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Hmm interesting. I probably try to watch it in 3D just for the spectacle. I feel that's the intended way to see it.
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The first AVATAR will be re-released in theaters on September 23rd with remastered visuals and sound!!!
Oh happy day!
In all seriousness though, this is going to give so many people an opportunity to see it as intended. Pretty much anyone under the age of 18(give or take) didn't get to see this in it's truest form.
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So the Avatar sequel has an official title
Avatar: The Way of the Water in theaters Dec 16th.
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So the Avatar sequel has an official title
Avatar: The Way of the Water in theaters Dec 16th.
That tracks with the leaks from some time ago.
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
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So the Avatar sequel has an official title
Avatar: The Way of the Water in theaters Dec 16th.
That tracks with the leaks from some time ago.
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
Oh, I thought it was
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Way of Earth
Avatar: The Way of Fire
Avatar: The Last Airbender
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HYPE HYPE HYPE!
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Not sure if it is the same trailers for every theater, but they showed a 3-D teaser before Dr. Strange, and it looked amazing. Seriously looking forward to this.
Actually, this was it (But 3-D effects, obviously):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cPMUMWLEws
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Not sure if it is the same trailers for every theater, but they showed a 3-D teaser before Dr. Strange, and it looked amazing. Seriously looking forward to this.
Actually, this was it (But 3-D effects, obviously):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cPMUMWLEws
That trailer in leaked in 4K last week and I've watched it about 50 times since while looking at basically every frame as a still. I'm so fucking excited. There is so much to unpack in that trailer.
One thing that really stood out to me is that whatever human base we're seeing (I don't believe that's Hell's Gate"), it's seriously stacked. I counted at least 3 of the Dragon Assault Ships. We only saw one in the first film. The scope of the conflict is going to make the battle at the end of the first movie pale in comparison, I think.
The underwater footage looks absolutely stunning.
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I thought I came across a leaked trailer for Avatar 2 a few days ago. I never checked it out myself so not sure. I'm going to see it in the theater regardless.
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Guess it's officially out now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Gx8wiNbs8&ab_channel=Avatar
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The trailer received just shy of 150M views in the first 24 hours:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-way-of-water-trailer-online-views-1235144334/
In terms of other comps for teasers, Universal’s F9: The Fast Saga nabbed 202.7 million online views in its initial 24 hours; Black Widow, 116.8 million; Incredibles 2, 113.1 million; and Rise of Skywalker, 112.4 million.
Not bad for a franchise that's been dormant for 13 years.
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Yeah, this is enormous pressure on Cameron to justify such a ridiculous waiting period.
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Yeah, this is enormous pressure on Cameron to justify such a ridiculous waiting period.
I dunno. I don't think the expectations are super high. I think "looks really cool" is about all people want, right? I doubt it'll matter if the script is bad or the acting is poor. People seem to want really intense cool visuals and neat 3D and I'm confident he'll be able to deliver on that pretty easily.
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Cameron's movies are always entertaining and he seems to know how to make the movie keep on moving. I watched Titanic the other week and for a movie that is that long, I wasn't bored for a second. He has this knack of pacing his movies quite well.
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I agree most people have low expectations for Avator 2 and beyond. I think most have realized that Avatar's story was pretty weak in retrospect, even though it seemed awesome while sitting in the theater. So I think we all just expect a visually stunning movie with a mediocre plot. If Cameron can deliver that, these movies will be successful.
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Cameron's movies are always entertaining and he seems to know how to make the movie keep on moving. I watched Titanic the other week and for a movie that is that long, I wasn't bored for a second. He has this knack of pacing his movies quite well.
While a massive success, I think Titanic gets way too much shit for being a love story at its core. Maybe it's just because I've been a Titanic buff since I was about 7, but that movie is stellar. The amount of the ship we got to see in such a short timeframe, without any of it feeling forced or unnecessary was pure genius. The attention to detail and the constant contrast of rich vs poor was perfectly executed. As I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate the love story element. Not because of the story itself, but because it was a perfect way for Cameron to give us a proper tour of the ship. That movie doesn't have a single wasted second.
I agree most people have low expectations for Avator 2 and beyond. I think most have realized that Avatar's story was pretty weak in retrospect, even though it seemed awesome while sitting in the theater. So I think we all just expect a visually stunning movie with a mediocre plot. If Cameron can deliver that, these movies will be successful.
Cameron responded to criticisms about the plot with this:
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Though, I'm thinking we're going to get some serious story telling in the rest of the films. Multiple teams spent more than a year just writing out the sequels, and we're getting a crapload of new characters introduced. I'm confident that the sequels will be much more original in the story telling sense.
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Cameron's movies are always entertaining and he seems to know how to make the movie keep on moving.
ALIENS is pretty epic. Fantastic movie
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Cameron responded to criticisms about the plot with this:
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Dances with Wolves
Pocahontas
The Last Samurai
Avatar
Fern Gully
Etc
Etc
Etc
... but people seem to bitch the most about Avatar not being an original story.
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Dances with Wolves
Pocahontas
The Last Samurai
Avatar
Fern Gully
Etc
Etc
Etc
... but people seem to bitch the most about Avatar not being an original story.
I think the difference is that Avatar was the biggest movie of all time and was nominated for a ton of awards, so it's looked at with a little more scrutiny. But yeah... movies are derivatives of each other all the time and people don't freak out about it.
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When you talk about the "brilliance" of your own movie, you may have an ego problem.
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When you talk about the "brilliance" of your own movie, you may have an ego problem.
Or he understands that he's a master of his craft and it is what it is. Michael Jordan didn't tell his teammates to get him the ball because of his ego. He told them to get him the ball because knew that he was the best and would deliver under pressure.
Also, Jim's probably not just looking at it as his film. It took hundreds of people from multiple countries several years to make the first movie. The team effort to put something like that together and have it set a new bar for the box office is/was "brilliant". He knows that they envisioned and delivered something that was never done before and would be very difficult to top.
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James Cameron comes off as one of the biggest egomaniacs of Hollywood but to the man's credit he has made some of the best blockbusters ever made. In the case with Avatar I think people focus a lot on the story being generic and done before but my biggest takeaway on rewatching it again recently (after 12 years) was that the characters were completely unmemorable and the movie was also kinda lacking in really memorable lines/scenes that elevate a movie like this into classic status. T1, T2 and Aliens are packed with scenes, lines or character moments that didn't just elevate those movies but even people who haven't seen those movies are familiar with those things.
I'm intrigued to see Avatar 2 for the visual spectacle and I suspect that's the reason most people have because I haven't heard anyone legitimately excited for the continued adventures of the memorable characters Jake Sully and Neytiri.
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James Cameron comes off as one of the biggest egomaniacs of Hollywood but to the man's credit he has made some of the best blockbusters ever made. In the case with Avatar I think people focus a lot on the story being generic and done before but my biggest takeaway on rewatching it again recently (after 12 years) was that the characters were completely unmemorable and the movie was also kinda lacking in really memorable lines/scenes that elevate a movie like this into classic status. T1, T2 and Aliens are packed with scenes, lines or character moments that didn't just elevate those movies but even people who haven't seen those movies are familiar with those things.
I'm intrigued to see Avatar 2 for the visual spectacle and I suspect that's the reason most people have because I haven't heard anyone legitimately excited for the continued adventures of the memorable characters Jake Sully and Neytiri.
I agree about the characters, but I have to push back a bit on the scenes thing. I know it's entirely subjective, but the first time we see the bioluminescent forest revealed at nighttime was one of the (if not the most) memorable experience I've ever had in a theater. It was mind-numbing, jaw dropping, and beautiful. Home tree coming down was absolutely ridiculous, part of which may have been due to the audio experience a theater can provide vs a home theater, but still. The final battle when Jake is rallying all the other clans and we see all Na'vi battle tactics being used in a united front was great, and seeing the hammerhead titanotheres lay waste to the RDA AMP suits and infantry was really cool too.
I think Jake's initial ikran flight with Neytiri was also really well done - taking us on a blisteringly fast flight through the floating mountains. I never saw anything like it in a film. Something so fake never felt more real. That to me is really where the crux of my love for Avatar comes from. Cameron created a fake world that felt so real, you almost forget it's not by the time the movie ends.
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Cameron created a fake world that felt so real, you almost forget it's not by the time the movie ends.
100% agree....THAT was the cool takeaway from the film. I agree Brian that the scene of the bioluminescent forest at night was remarkable the first time I saw it in theaters.
Oh and....it legit caused depression in people due to Pandora being fake and not real. I think at the time there was a lawsuit that was thrown out that some people wanted to sue him for creating such a great world that couldn't be enjoyed in real life.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
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James Cameron comes off as one of the biggest egomaniacs of Hollywood but to the man's credit he has made some of the best blockbusters ever made. In the case with Avatar I think people focus a lot on the story being generic and done before but my biggest takeaway on rewatching it again recently (after 12 years) was that the characters were completely unmemorable and the movie was also kinda lacking in really memorable lines/scenes that elevate a movie like this into classic status. T1, T2 and Aliens are packed with scenes, lines or character moments that didn't just elevate those movies but even people who haven't seen those movies are familiar with those things.
I'm intrigued to see Avatar 2 for the visual spectacle and I suspect that's the reason most people have because I haven't heard anyone legitimately excited for the continued adventures of the memorable characters Jake Sully and Neytiri.
I agree about the characters, but I have to push back a bit on the scenes thing. I know it's entirely subjective, but the first time we see the bioluminescent forest revealed at nighttime was one of the (if not the most) memorable experience I've ever had in a theater. It was mind-numbing, jaw dropping, and beautiful. Home tree coming down was absolutely ridiculous, part of which may have been due to the audio experience a theater can provide vs a home theater, but still. The final battle when Jake is rallying all the other clans and we see all Na'vi battle tactics being used in a united front was great, and seeing the hammerhead titanotheres lay waste to the RDA AMP suits and infantry was really cool too.
I think Jake's initial ikran flight with Neytiri was also really well done - taking us on a blisteringly fast flight through the floating mountains. I never saw anything like it in a film. Something so fake never felt more real. That to me is really where the crux of my love for Avatar comes from. Cameron created a fake world that felt so real, you almost forget it's not by the time the movie ends.
It definitely was a visual spectacle and even though some of that is lessened when viewing at home 13 years later, it's still a cool world and concept. I do think the lack of memorable characters or a great story are the key reasons many people feel Avatar didn't become the classic that maybe some thought it would. I'm expecting good visuals from the new one but I'm hoping we get something more as well. But my sister loved the first one and she didn't mind the tropes had been done before so I think the crowd who really loves Avatar might fall into that bracket of 'it's been done before but never better than this'.
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James Cameron comes off as one of the biggest egomaniacs of Hollywood but to the man's credit he has made some of the best blockbusters ever made. In the case with Avatar I think people focus a lot on the story being generic and done before but my biggest takeaway on rewatching it again recently (after 12 years) was that the characters were completely unmemorable and the movie was also kinda lacking in really memorable lines/scenes that elevate a movie like this into classic status. T1, T2 and Aliens are packed with scenes, lines or character moments that didn't just elevate those movies but even people who haven't seen those movies are familiar with those things.
I'm intrigued to see Avatar 2 for the visual spectacle and I suspect that's the reason most people have because I haven't heard anyone legitimately excited for the continued adventures of the memorable characters Jake Sully and Neytiri.
I agree about the characters, but I have to push back a bit on the scenes thing. I know it's entirely subjective, but the first time we see the bioluminescent forest revealed at nighttime was one of the (if not the most) memorable experience I've ever had in a theater. It was mind-numbing, jaw dropping, and beautiful. Home tree coming down was absolutely ridiculous, part of which may have been due to the audio experience a theater can provide vs a home theater, but still. The final battle when Jake is rallying all the other clans and we see all Na'vi battle tactics being used in a united front was great, and seeing the hammerhead titanotheres lay waste to the RDA AMP suits and infantry was really cool too.
I think Jake's initial ikran flight with Neytiri was also really well done - taking us on a blisteringly fast flight through the floating mountains. I never saw anything like it in a film. Something so fake never felt more real. That to me is really where the crux of my love for Avatar comes from. Cameron created a fake world that felt so real, you almost forget it's not by the time the movie ends.
It definitely was a visual spectacle and even though some of that is lessened when viewing at home 13 years later, it's still a cool world and concept. I do think the lack of memorable characters or a great story are the key reasons many people feel Avatar didn't become the classic that maybe some thought it would. I'm expecting good visuals from the new one but I'm hoping we get something more as well. But my sister loved the first one and she didn't mind the tropes had been done before so I think the crowd who really loves Avatar might fall into that bracket of 'it's been done before but never better than this'.
I'm expecting a buttload of character development in the sequels. First and foremost, Quaritch is back as an Avatar (maybe get a twist and find out he's a Na'vi?) and is confirmed to be in all four of the next films. Lang said he started crying reading the script of the final movie, so I'm assuming that means we see a crazy arc involving his character. Bad guy turning good probably.
It also sounds like Jake and Neytiri won't be the focal point of the story. It'll be more about their family/children, both natural and adopted. The adopted child poses a ton of potential for his own story. I'm sure their will be tons of conflict there. He's been raised as a Na'vi in a human body, but I can't help but think he's going to become conflicted about who and what he is as he gets more exposure to humans.
I really have no idea where they are going to take this. The fact that several teams of writers wrote four full movies, probably 12ish hours of content, before any filming began makes me believe that the overall story got a ton of attention. The first film with its simplicity did an awesome job introducing us to the world, the people, and gave us a high-level overview of the conflict between humans and Na'vi. We'll be able to hit the ground running in the second movie seeing as all the world building (minus the depths of the ocean) has already been done with the audience.
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I saw Titanic in the theater, highly enjoyed it, and haven't had a desire to see it since.
I saw Avatar at home, thought it was alright but didn't get what the "big deal" was, and haven't had a desire to see it since. I realize I may have missed out on the full experience by not seeing it in the theater, but that's just how it played out.
Regarding Chino's last point about the writing teams... I hope this doesn't prove to be a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth.
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I saw Avatar at home, thought it was alright but didn't get what the "big deal" was, and haven't had a desire to see it since. I realize I may have missed out on the full experience by not seeing it in the theater, but that's just how it played out.
Same. I remember watching it with my wife and basically calling out every thing that was going to happen two minutes before it did. I have zero interest in seeing a sequel.
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I love the first film. It succeeds in establishing an original alien world and making it feel alive. I also enjoy the story. Has it been told before? Yes, but it tells the story well in my opinion. It is very rare that a film with a completely new ip and a massive budget succeeds, I hope the series will remain succesful.
For me Avatar is memorable, haven't seen it for many years and I can remember a lot of it.
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I saw Titanic in the theater, highly enjoyed it, and haven't had a desire to see it since.
I saw Avatar at home, thought it was alright but didn't get what the "big deal" was, and haven't had a desire to see it since. I realize I may have missed out on the full experience by not seeing it in the theater, but that's just how it played out.
Regarding Chino's last point about the writing teams... I hope this doesn't prove to be a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth.
I'm optimistic about it. The original plan was to make three sequels, and Cameron put together an overarching story for that. He then put together a team of writers for each movie and was heavily involved in each script. When they were finished there was too much material, and rather than cutting any of what they wrote, the decision was made to just add a 4th film. I hope that means it wasn't a matter of too many cooks, but rather too much good food that couldn't go to waste.
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Not for me
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The fact they spent time mapping out the sequels and putting work into making the plot and characters something better than in the original is great. However, I do hope that they find a way to make each movie good and to work on their own. It feels like a common thing today with all the cinematic universes we have that a lot of the time it feels like "you really need A and B to fully enjoy C" and while Avatar is its own original thing and you can't shove in a Luke Skywalker or Dr Strange cameo to set up a spin off movie, I still hope each movie on their own will be satisfying.
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Oh and....it legit caused depression in people due to Pandora being fake and not real. I think at the time there was a lawsuit that was thrown out that some people wanted to sue him for creating such a great world that couldn't be enjoyed in real life.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
I remember hearing about this at the time and thought it was bullshit. No, we don't have glowing plants (well... we do, but not to that level) or floating mountains, but we do have some pretty freaking awesome natural beauty in this world. I can almost guarantee you that the people "suffering" from this spent virtually all of their free time watching screens instead of actually getting outside.
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The fact they spent time mapping out the sequels and putting work into making the plot and characters something better than in the original is great. However, I do hope that they find a way to make each movie good and to work on their own. It feels like a common thing today with all the cinematic universes we have that a lot of the time it feels like "you really need A and B to fully enjoy C" and while Avatar is its own original thing and you can't shove in a Luke Skywalker or Dr Strange cameo to set up a spin off movie, I still hope each movie on their own will be satisfying.
The franchise producer, Jon Landau said this in a recent interview:
"The Way of Water," and the three other sequels to be released in the coming years, will be standalone movies. This effectively means that we don't have to wait years and five movies to get finality to the story Cameron is telling — he's actually telling five different stories.
However, Landau added that they will each focus on the franchise's main character, Jake Sully (played by Sam Worthington), the family he's building with Neytiri (Zoe Saldana), and the Na'vi clan they have.
https://www.insider.com/avatar-sequels-standalone-movies-producer-cinemacon-2022-4
That to me reads as though each movie will have a resolution and not end on a cliff hanger, but I'm sure there will be plenty of story and arcs that can be followed across all five of the films.
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The fact they spent time mapping out the sequels and putting work into making the plot and characters something better than in the original is great. However, I do hope that they find a way to make each movie good and to work on their own. It feels like a common thing today with all the cinematic universes we have that a lot of the time it feels like "you really need A and B to fully enjoy C" and while Avatar is its own original thing and you can't shove in a Luke Skywalker or Dr Strange cameo to set up a spin off movie, I still hope each movie on their own will be satisfying.
Yeah, them planning it out with a writing team seems like a good plan. I don't know how hollywood really works, but some of these major blockbuster series really feel like they scrambled together a plot right before filming and without anyone proof reading. See the latest Star Wars trilogy.
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Oh and....it legit caused depression in people due to Pandora being fake and not real. I think at the time there was a lawsuit that was thrown out that some people wanted to sue him for creating such a great world that couldn't be enjoyed in real life.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
I remember hearing about this at the time and thought it was bullshit. No, we don't have glowing plants (well... we do, but not to that level) or floating mountains, but we do have some pretty freaking awesome natural beauty in this world. I can almost guarantee you that the people "suffering" from this spent virtually all of their free time watching screens instead of actually getting outside.
Yeah I've always been perplexed when people mention how imaginative Pandora is when it's pretty much majority Earth with some CGI elements. Perhaps my bar is too high but it felt like a decent idea but ultimately weak effort at an alien planet, at least as far as the reaction to it.
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Oh and....it legit caused depression in people due to Pandora being fake and not real. I think at the time there was a lawsuit that was thrown out that some people wanted to sue him for creating such a great world that couldn't be enjoyed in real life.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
I remember hearing about this at the time and thought it was bullshit. No, we don't have glowing plants (well... we do, but not to that level) or floating mountains, but we do have some pretty freaking awesome natural beauty in this world. I can almost guarantee you that the people "suffering" from this spent virtually all of their free time watching screens instead of actually getting outside.
Yeah I've always been perplexed when people mention how imaginative Pandora is when it's pretty much majority Earth with some CGI elements. Perhaps my bar is too high but it felt like a decent idea but ultimately weak effort at an alien planet, at least as far as the reaction to it.
This is exactly why I love the movie though. Cameron was drawing up this world for decades. Not only is it pretty, but it obeys all the rules. Every single plant we see, every creature, every tool, structure, or article of clothing we see was meticulously designed. Not just in appearance, but in function and within the rules of physics and evolution as we know them. The size of Pandora and its gravity is why the fauna looks as it does and the creatures are the size they are. The monstrous leaves and home trees weren't in there because they were convenient, but rather that's what we'd see in those conditions. The build and coloring of the Na'vi is based on their environment and they look exactly how they should given the variables around them. We'll see a lot of this with the water tribe in the new film - differences in appearance due adapting in a water-heavy environment vs the forest.
I could type up an argument for everything we saw in the first film, but I'd be here all weekend. Cameron brought a properly imagined world to life.
For example, when I saw the film the first time, Jake walked by this thing. I thought to myself "how are they making light?". Well, Cameron thought of that (and every other minute detail of the world). Per the survival guide that was released, it's the bladder or other internal organ from an animal. They coat the inside with a nectar like substance (probably what the direhorses were eating in the first film), let it attract glowing insects, and then the Na'vi would sew it shut. Boom. Natural street lamp.
(https://www.pandorapedia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/508x284/bladder_lantern_1.jpg)
The Helicoradian acts like a venus fly trap. It collapses in on itself when something lands on/in it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/bb/b5/f2bbb5c5f1ce8b42b2e679bd4b211d5b.gif)
I could go on and on. I mean, clearly concepts from Earth were borrowed, but if you consider his imagination coming from an evolutionary standpoint, rather than just a lifting of stuff on Earth, a great appreciation is to be had. I think. Cameron imagined a world to a sickening level detail. Far, far beyond anything else I've ever seen in both film and videogames. Everything in his world fits. Nothing is out of place or breaks the rules for the sake of being in the movie.
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For example, when I saw the film the first time, Jake walked by this thing. I thought to myself "how are they making light?". Well, Cameron thought of that (and every other minute detail of the world). Per the survival guide that was released, it's the bladder or other internal organ from an animal. They coat the inside with a nectar like substance (probably what the direhorses were eating in the first film), let it attract glowing insects, and then the Na'vi would sew it shut. Boom. Natural street lamp.
(https://www.pandorapedia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/508x284/bladder_lantern_1.jpg)
Seems like a lot of work to create something that won't last very long. Insects have pretty short lifespans. They would be making these things all the time.
Maybe it's a cottage industry on Pandora. The rise of interplanetary capitalism!
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Seems like a lot of work to create something that won't last very long. Insects have pretty short lifespans. They would be making these things all the time.
Maybe it's a cottage industry on Pandora. The rise of interplanetary capitalism!
You're assuming those traits based on what we know of the insects of Earth. For all we know, those insects feed off the inside of the organ, the nectar that's added, and the corpses of their fallen. If they live, reproduce, and die within days, you might still get weeks of use out of one of those lamps before they need a "recharge" :chino:
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I mean, maybe. Who knows?
Who cares?
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First look at Kate Winslet's character!
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jingle.son and I re-watched Avatar yesterday. First time since the theater that I watched it start to finish. Even in 2D, it's a pretty good flick.
Prolly gonna go see it next Monday, to avoid the opening weekend rush. IMAX 3D is the way. I can't remember last time I watched a movie in 3D.