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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #910 on: January 05, 2014, 05:47:04 AM »
I really like this album. It feels like a  throwback to SFAM/6DOIT in my opinion. Very melodic and atmospheric.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #911 on: January 05, 2014, 06:02:50 AM »
Quote from: Dr. SeaWolf on January 05, 2014, 05:47:04 AM
I really like this album. It feels like a  throwback to SFAM/6DOIT in my opinion. Very melodic and atmospheric.

And major. Since being signed to RR, they've been very scarce with happier sounding melodies, but on this album, there are quite a few examples of it.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #912 on: January 05, 2014, 06:46:23 AM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 05, 2014, 06:02:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. SeaWolf on January 05, 2014, 05:47:04 AM
I really like this album. It feels like a  throwback to SFAM/6DOIT in my opinion. Very melodic and atmospheric.

And major. Since being signed to RR, they've been very scarce with happier sounding melodies, but on this album, there are quite a few examples of it.

Totally agree here -- feels like an instant classic to me.  And easily one of the best albums of any and all I purchased in 2013.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #913 on: January 05, 2014, 06:48:20 AM »
I revisited it last night after not having listened to it for a while, and it confirmed that to me it's their best one since Six Degrees. I thought ADTOE was very strong when it came out, but this one feels even stronger.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #914 on: January 05, 2014, 07:00:04 AM »
We're in sync, Zydar.  Six Degrees is my all-time DT favorite. :metal
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #915 on: January 05, 2014, 07:54:01 AM »
I also went back to it after a longer hiatus and it surprised me how good it was, although I loved every minute of it on the very first listening as well. 
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #916 on: January 06, 2014, 09:10:13 AM »
Hadn't listened to the full album in a while and going back to it all I can say is that if it wasn't for TEM, this would be DT's second best album easily. I'm still amazed at this comeback from the band after I had lost my faith in them.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #917 on: January 06, 2014, 09:30:55 AM »
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 09:10:13 AM
Hadn't listened to the full album in a while and going back to it all I can say is that if it wasn't for TEM, this would be DT's second best album easily. I'm still amazed at this comeback from the band after I had lost my faith in them.

What's TEM? Do you mean EM?  :lol

While it is in the bottom half of my DT album rankings, I think DT12 is a good album. I think the overall sound is somewhat of a turn off.
I thought ADTOE was a masterpiece. 
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #918 on: January 06, 2014, 11:35:43 AM »
Yeah, that's how much attention I pay to that song  :lol

Seriously, their worst instrumental by far.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #919 on: January 06, 2014, 02:42:35 PM »
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Yeah, that's how much attention I pay to that song  :lol

Seriously, their worst instrumental by far.

You prefer "Raw Dog"? (You didn't specify album instrumental)

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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #920 on: January 06, 2014, 02:43:34 PM »
It doesn't matter, cause EM is one of their best instrumentals anyway.  :metal
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #921 on: January 06, 2014, 02:43:48 PM »
I find Raw Dog more interesting than Enigma Machine.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #922 on: January 06, 2014, 02:44:04 PM »
Quote from: The Letter M on January 06, 2014, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Yeah, that's how much attention I pay to that song  :lol

Seriously, their worst instrumental by far.

You prefer "Raw Dog"? (You didn't specify album instrumental)

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I fail to see what's surprising about that, if indeed he does. Raw Dog's sick as f*ck!
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #923 on: January 06, 2014, 03:09:57 PM »
Raw Dog > Enigma Machine
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #924 on: January 06, 2014, 03:48:01 PM »
Quote from: The Letter M on January 06, 2014, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Yeah, that's how much attention I pay to that song  :lol

Seriously, their worst instrumental by far.

You prefer "Raw Dog"? (You didn't specify album instrumental)

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I forgot about raw dog  :lol. Still, second worst is nothing to be proud about  :P
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #925 on: January 06, 2014, 04:10:17 PM »
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 03:48:01 PM
I forgot about raw dog  :lol. Still, second worst is nothing to be proud about  :P

It's Dream Theater we're talking about. Second worst by DT standards is still awesome.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #926 on: January 06, 2014, 06:49:28 PM »
Illumination Theory aside, I feel it flows really well from song to song, like a live gig would. Illumination Theory is a bit of a weird one, has some stunning sections in it but doesn't really feel like a "song", just like a bunch of parts glued together. The string section, while beautiful, just came out of nowhere in the context of the song. Odd.
I really like The Looking Glass, Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture. They really hold the album up. Enigma Machine is pretty cool, a little repetitive for an instrumental, but that TCOT like solo in the middle blew my head off. I can give or take the singles.

In terms of the production: Not Petrucci's finest rhythm tone, feels a bit flubby in places (as does Myung's tone) and lacks sharpness, brilliant leads though, you can really taste the "chocolate cake" he was on about. The drums feel a little bit over-mixed and tight, un-natural. The mix as a whole doesn't really breathe as a result.

Overall, I think it's pretty good, nothing stunning, and on par with ATDOE.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #927 on: January 06, 2014, 07:03:18 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Nekov on January 06, 2014, 03:48:01 PM
I forgot about raw dog  :lol. Still, second worst is nothing to be proud about  :P

It's Dream Theater we're talking about. Second worst by DT standards is still awesome.

No it's not. Even amazing bands can slip by the occasional stinker, even DT.
I enjoy EM, but I'm still a bit disappointed with it, especially being their first album instrumental in quite a while.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #928 on: January 06, 2014, 10:07:47 PM »
Listened to DT12 for the first time in ages today.

Whilst I still enjoy it - I am no longer sure how I feel about it overall. The initial new-album-smell has gone completely.

I am leaning towards ADTOE more I think. But the production of DT12 HD is better.

I think ADTOE has more sections overall that I enjoy more whilst DT12 has more highs. If that makes sense ?

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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #929 on: January 06, 2014, 10:09:39 PM »
As much as I initially disliked A Dramatic Turn Of Events, I think I prefer it to Dream Theater.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #930 on: January 06, 2014, 10:14:40 PM »
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
As much as I initially disliked A Dramatic Turn Of Events, I think I prefer it to Dream Theater.
Same here.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #931 on: January 06, 2014, 10:32:28 PM »
So I listened to it AGAIN today (5.1 mix). It's no BAD... I enjoy the melodies and what not... but it still seems... lacking.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #932 on: January 07, 2014, 02:11:02 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
No it's not. Even amazing bands can slip by the occasional stinker, even DT.
Says the guy who hates second half of Awake.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #933 on: January 07, 2014, 02:38:24 AM »
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Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
No it's not. Even amazing bands can slip by the occasional stinker, even DT.
Says the guy who hates second half of Awake.

Point proven. DT have some stinkers! :biggrin:
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #934 on: January 07, 2014, 02:59:03 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2014, 02:38:24 AM
Point proven. DT have some stinkers! :biggrin:

So, I know I'm totally baiting, but how would you say Enigma Machine stacks up to Scarred or Lifting Shadows Off A Dream?
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #935 on: January 07, 2014, 03:21:18 AM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 07, 2014, 02:59:03 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2014, 02:38:24 AM
Point proven. DT have some stinkers! :biggrin:

So, I know I'm totally baiting, but how would you say Enigma Machine stacks up to Scarred or Lifting Shadows Off A Dream?

As I said, I do still enjoy Enigma Machine despite feeling it could have been better, which automatically puts it ahead of those songs.
I don't see how that's baiting. It's all good. :)
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #936 on: January 07, 2014, 03:22:17 AM »
Well, it's baiting others. There you have it, folks! Enigma Machine is better than Scarred and Lifting Shadows!  :biggrin:
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #937 on: January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM »
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #938 on: January 07, 2014, 07:53:10 AM »
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.

I can definitely see that.   While my love for DT12 has definitely faded and I'm left thinking it feels kind of plastic-y and soulless, I think that this is the most even distribution of JR that we've heard.  He's rarely "in-your-face-experimental" like he has been in the past, and yet he still has enough time to solo and accompany the music in a distinguished way.   :tup
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #939 on: January 07, 2014, 08:09:12 AM »
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 07:53:10 AM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.

I can definitely see that.   While my love for DT12 has definitely faded and I'm left thinking it feels kind of plastic-y and soulless, I think that this is the most even distribution of JR that we've heard.  He's rarely "in-your-face-experimental" like he has been in the past, and yet he still has enough time to solo and accompany the music in a distinguished way.   :tup

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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #940 on: January 07, 2014, 08:27:27 AM »
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 07, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 07:53:10 AM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.

I can definitely see that.   While my love for DT12 has definitely faded and I'm left thinking it feels kind of plastic-y and soulless, I think that this is the most even distribution of JR that we've heard.  He's rarely "in-your-face-experimental" like he has been in the past, and yet he still has enough time to solo and accompany the music in a distinguished way.   :tup

Metropolis Part 2?

Any album that includes BTL's horn solo can not be classified as without excess experimental qualities.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #941 on: January 07, 2014, 08:44:48 AM »
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 08:27:27 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 07, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 07:53:10 AM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.

I can definitely see that.   While my love for DT12 has definitely faded and I'm left thinking it feels kind of plastic-y and soulless, I think that this is the most even distribution of JR that we've heard.  He's rarely "in-your-face-experimental" like he has been in the past, and yet he still has enough time to solo and accompany the music in a distinguished way.   :tup

Metropolis Part 2?

Any album that includes BTL's horn solo can not be classified as without excess experimental qualities.

Any album that doesn't include BTL's horn solo can be classified as not being experimental enough. :hat
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #942 on: January 07, 2014, 11:44:34 AM »
Personally, I think Six Degrees had some of Jordan's best work.
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #943 on: January 07, 2014, 11:48:46 AM »
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 08:27:27 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 07, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Joshin U on January 07, 2014, 07:53:10 AM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
I want to say that this is my favorite album for Jordan.

I can definitely see that.   While my love for DT12 has definitely faded and I'm left thinking it feels kind of plastic-y and soulless, I think that this is the most even distribution of JR that we've heard.  He's rarely "in-your-face-experimental" like he has been in the past, and yet he still has enough time to solo and accompany the music in a distinguished way.   :tup

Metropolis Part 2?

Any album that includes BTL's horn solo can not be classified as without excess experimental qualities.

So you slight a whole CD based on a minutes worth of music?   Should the most well known and popular band in progressive metal NOT be experimental?    :P
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Re: What are your thoughts on DT12?
« Reply #944 on: January 07, 2014, 01:50:30 PM »
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 07, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
So you slight a whole CD based on a minutes worth of music?   Should the most well known and popular band in progressive metal NOT be experimental?    :P

Oh absolutely not! Let me restate that I enjoy SFAM much more than DT12 overall.  But my point is that I enjoy JR's playing more on DT12 than SFAM, with BTL's solo being an example as to why I would say that.  There are no moments on DT12 of JR's playing that I dislike (feel free to point some out, this is off the top of head) and I cannot say the same for SFAM.
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