Star Trek: The Next Threaderation

[King Postwhore]

There was something always missing from Generations that made it seem average.

[Kotowboy]

I thought the whole film has this aura of warmth. I guess I can't describe it.

[El Barto]

I thought the whole film has this aura of warmth. I guess I can't describe it.

It was certainly an orange film. I agree about the warmness of it. I just don't' find it particularly entertaining or interesting.

[Kotowboy]

Probably because I saw it in the cinema in 1994 when I was 16.

[Adami]

Generations is an odd one to me. I really like (most) of the character moments (probably for similar reasons that Barto doesn't) but it does have a rather awful plot that was clearly forced to help Shatner show up.

Insurrection has less good character moments (though quite a few good ones) and a better plot that still isn't great. So if Generations got an A- or B+ for characters and a D for plot, Insurrection gets a B- for characters and a C for plot.

First Contact gets an A for both, sucks people here seem to dislike it so much, but such is life. No big deal.

Nemesis gets a D for both of those things.

Don't even get me started on the reboot movies. Yea, I'm the weird guy who really didn't like Trek 09.

[BlobVanDam]

Generations is an odd one to me. I really like (most) of the character moments (probably for similar reasons that Barto doesn't) but it does have a rather awful plot that was clearly forced to help Shatner show up.

I also really like the character moments, and think it has some of the best in the Trek films, but the Nexus plot has too many issues, and forcing the original cast in there was a detriment to the movie. It didn't need it. Still a solidly enjoyable film imo, but not a top Trek film. Also the Enterprise D never looked better.

First Contact gets an A for both, sucks people here seem to dislike it so much, but such is life. No big deal.

I love it. A top 3 Trek film for me along with TWOK and TVH.

[Adami]

ADMIT THAT YOU HATE IT!!!

SAY IT! SAY IT!

[BlobVanDam]

NOOOO!

[Kotowboy]

THESE FILMS ARE RANK :

TNG

Gen
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection

TOS

Khan
Country
Voyage
Motion Picture
Spock
Frontier

[Polarbear]

1. Khan
2. Country
3. Voyage
4. Contact
5. ST09
6. Spock
7. Darkness
8. MP


9. Insurrection
10. Generations
11. Frontier

12. Nemesis

[Adami]

Another ranking? Eh sure.

1. Khan
2. First Contact
3. Country
4. Voyage
5. Generations
6. Search for Spock
7. Insurrection
8. Final Frontier
9. Nemesis
10. Motion Picture
11. ST09
12. Darkness.

I hate rankings, but that'll do for now pig.

[The King in Crimson]

1. Country
2. Khan
3. Voyage
4. Contact
5. Spock
6. Generations
7. Frontier
8. Nemesis
9. 2001: A Trek Odyssey
10. '09
11. Insurrection
12. Khan II: Into Blandness

[jammindude]

1. Insurrection (yes...you read that correctly)
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Star Trek '09
5. Voyage Home
6. First Contact
7. Search for Spock
8. The Motion Picture
9. Generations
10. Into Darkness
11. The Final Frontier



























12. Nemesis (seriously the only one of the 12 that I truly cannot stomach to watch.  Just an absolute steaming pile of vomit, bile, urine, and diarrhea all mixed together)

[El Barto]

Khan
TMP
Voyage
Undiscovered
Search
Insurrection
First Contact
Generations
2009
ID
That one with God in it
Nemesis.

Ranking 2-4 is really tough. I consider them interchangeable within those slots.

[El Barto]

Well the lawsuit itself is mostly related to the standard IP stuff.
The reason they're douchebags is because they crowdfunded over a million dollars for their fan film so they could all get salaries for their work, and purchase a large studio to start their own scifi franchise, directly profiting off Star Trek's IP, and on social media they've done nothing but bag the shit out of Star Trek and talk about how much better their fan film is. After the lawsuit started, they made a rant about how they were only being sued because Axanar had the superior product and they didn't want competition, and claimed they were going to win the lawsuit with the best lawyers, and I think they even tried to counter sue, and in defense of the lawsuit itself, claimed their fan film didn't even resemble Star Trek's trademarks.

Basically, CBS/Paramount have been incredibly lenient with people crowdfunding fan film as long as there's transparency that it's all going directly towards equipment/supplies to make the film, and no profit is being made, and Axanar flagrantly disregarded that to profit from it, then bit the hand that feeds them.

Also, the guy in charge apparently has a long history of dodgy shit.

After actually watching the proof of concept I think he might well be right. That was pretty slick. The guy that played Garth didn't work for me, but according to wikiP that was actually the writer and the role will be done professionally for the feature. The only other problem was that the Klingon wasn't particularly Klingon-like, but since this was done as a documentary it's not real telling. All in all I'd really like to see the feature version of that, which is a whole lot more than I can say about Paramount's effort.

[Adami]

R.I.P. Anton Yelchin. 

[BlobVanDam]

WTF that's out of the blue. RIP.

[Kotowboy]

Fucks sake .

[Adami]

Yea, I was a big fan of his. He seemed like a pretty cool guy too, pretty quiet and shy.

Damn. I was totally shocked.

[Kotowboy]

Ugh. Shitty news. Guess this film series is over then...

[Adami]

Ugh. Shitty news. Guess this film series is over then...

That I doubt. Walter Koenig is still alive!

I mean, it's not like Chekov was necessary in the reboots anyway. You can literally get rid of Chekov and Sulu, give their lines to a plant alien or something and no one would notice.

[BlobVanDam]

He was so young with a lot of potential, and to go in such circumstances is a shock and a shame.

[Kotowboy]

I really hope Beyond does really well now.

[Adami]

He was so young with a lot of potential, and to go in such circumstances is a shock and a shame.

Yea, I am extremely confused by the actual events that happened. Very true though, a real damn shame.

[BlobVanDam]

I really hope Beyond does really well now.

Why? Because someone died?

I'd rather hope they end with this one and don't have to deal with writing out the character.

[Adami]

I really hope Beyond does really well now.

I mean, I'd hate for a film to do well simply because an actor died. I doubt Anton had the star power to make the masses embrace the film for his death. If the film is good, I hope it does well. I say we just let the film stand on its own legs.

[Kotowboy]

I really hope Beyond does really well now.

Why? Because someone died?

I'd rather hope they end with this one and don't have to deal with writing out the character.

I would be ok if Beyond was the last one. I thought Nemesis would be the last one in 2002. But it's a shitty thing to happen in the 50th anniversary year.

[El Barto]

He was so young with a lot of potential, and to go in such circumstances is a shock and a shame.

Yea, I am extremely confused by the actual events that happened. Very true though, a real damn shame.

I can easily see how he was hit by his own car, but for it to be fatal is bizarre. People start their car before remembering something and jump out all the time. If you drive a stick might to forget to set the parking brake. We've all done that before. It's just odd for a car to pick up much speed like that, unless it's really steep or a really long roll. Definitely some very bad luck for the kid.

[King Postwhore]

Damn.

[Polarbear]

Just read the news about Anton Yelchin. R.I.P

I think they could recast or write Chekov out of future sequels depending how well Beyond does, but it would honestly be pretty tasteless IMO.

Has anyone seen Green Room? He was starring in it, along with the one and only Patrick Stewart!

[BlobVanDam]

I didn't even know Anton Yelchin was in Green Room until I was checking his filmography yesterday, but I really want to see the movie because of Patrick Stewart anyway.

I don't think they'd recast Chekov given the circumstances, they'll probably start the next movie with Chekov already gone, either passed away during a mission, or reassigned with a different character in his place. I wonder if it's too late to dedicate Star Trek Beyond to him?
For many reasons, I think it would be best to just finish up with Beyond.

[hefdaddy42]

I mean, it's not like Chekov was necessary in the reboots anyway.

Was Checkov EVER necessary?  Other than TWOK, I never really thought of him as an essential character.  He was just, like, the top redshirt or something.  Oh, and Russian because of diversity and world peace.

[Cool Chris]

Incorrect. He was created to entice the Monkees fanbase, not appease or acknowlegde the Russians.

[BlobVanDam]

Incorrect. He was created to entice the Monkees fanbase, not appease or acknowlegde the Russians.

Why not both?

[El Barto]

Yeah, definitely both. Certainly wasn't about appeasement, though. Just multiculturalism.