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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #700 on: January 16, 2013, 12:55:29 PM »
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Wait. Do you all have a leak or is there a posting of Descension I missed?

It leaked a day or two ago. Listening to it at the moment, in fact, because, yeah, I liked Ascension too much to wait for when I buy the follow up  :lol
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #701 on: January 16, 2013, 01:30:23 PM »
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #702 on: January 16, 2013, 01:42:34 PM »
The hunt ends.

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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #703 on: January 16, 2013, 01:44:50 PM »
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #704 on: January 16, 2013, 01:53:48 PM »
Loving it.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #705 on: January 16, 2013, 02:09:33 PM »
Why does everyone like Josh so much? His drumming is good at best, Chris Pennie was a master who even improved the old albums on neverender.

People might not like the material on Black Rainbow as much, but that was more Atticus Ross (of NIN fame) than Chris imo.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #706 on: January 16, 2013, 02:35:55 PM »
For me, its his sense of groove.  Josh adds a very groovy, swingy flair to the drums that Chris didn't for the albums he worked on (he wrote and worked on the drum parts for YOTBR, even though Taylor Hawkins performed them).   Chris is a good drummer, and technically probably better than Josh (anyone who played with TDEP for so long has to be) but he wasn't the best fit for Coheed. 
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #707 on: January 16, 2013, 05:40:00 PM »
Quote from: faemir on January 16, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
Why does everyone like Josh so much? His drumming is good at best, Chris Pennie was a master who even improved the old albums on neverender.
Because Josh is a much better fit to Claudio's writing style than Chris was. Chris is a great drummer, and technically he might dance circles around Josh, but he played everything in a "metal" way. Josh is much more about groove and that fits so much better to Coheed's music.

Also, debatable about him improving the old songs, while they were some that sounded better, most songs didn't.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #708 on: January 16, 2013, 05:42:16 PM »
i think chris gets way too much blame for what ended up on YOTBR. the drums can only do so much. it was claudio's writing and direction that shaped the album
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #709 on: January 16, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I blame Atticus Rose more! Even though Chris didn't play the drums on NWfT, he basically wrote those parts and they're great!
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #710 on: January 16, 2013, 05:46:42 PM »
Meh, I really like YOTBR.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #711 on: January 16, 2013, 05:57:35 PM »
I like YOTBR too and Chris was cool but I do prefer Josh, mainly for the reasons already mentioned.  Just a better fit.  I think most can agree that their two worst albums are the ones that Josh doesn't play on.  Well except for the people who don't like Second Stage I guess, but those people are silly.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #712 on: January 16, 2013, 06:03:27 PM »
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Meh, I really like YOTBR.

The worst Coheed album is still very good! Says a lot about this band.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #713 on: January 16, 2013, 06:29:31 PM »
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Meh, I really like YOTBR.

Me too. It totally stands out among the rest of the catalog and I enjoy it quite a bit.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #714 on: January 16, 2013, 06:49:14 PM »
Quote from: faemir on January 16, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
Why does everyone like Josh so much? His drumming is good at best, Chris Pennie was a master who even improved the old albums on neverender.

People might not like the material on Black Rainbow as much, but that was more Atticus Ross (of NIN fame) than Chris imo.


For me (and granted, this may have been Claudio's fault...but I point the finger at the drummer)....I just thought the drumming on NWFT was so *FREAKIN BORING*!!!   I really loved FFTtEoM mostly because the drum parts were so tasty and interesting and fun to listen to and follow.  For me that was totally gone on NWFT.   That album almost made me give up on C&C altogether.   I made the assumption that after the success of FFTtEoM, they had streamlined their sound and lost what (to me) made them special.   

I'm glad that their more  recent stuff seems to be more interested in playing with intricate rhythms again...but NWFT did nothing for me.  And it's still my least favorite of anything I've heard from them.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #715 on: January 16, 2013, 06:53:22 PM »
How does anyone blame Chris for YotBR? First off it's a really good album, and doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. And while I think Josh would have done better on the drums the main problems with the album are that that some of the more experimental song-writing wasn't executed all that great, and that the engineering on that album is complete shit.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #716 on: January 16, 2013, 06:54:19 PM »
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The worst Coheed album is still very good! Says a lot about this band.

Nah. Barring 2 or 3 songs, I don't think Second Stage Turbine Blade's that good at all, dude.  ;)
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #717 on: January 16, 2013, 07:04:03 PM »
I used to think the same thing. After seeing the whole album performed live, I warmed up to it.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #718 on: January 16, 2013, 07:13:09 PM »
As one of this forums most vocal bland rainblow basher, I feel I should say I place no blame on Chris. His work on Guns Of Summer made what would have been a 5 album a 6.

I blame those producer guys.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #719 on: January 16, 2013, 07:45:59 PM »
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #720 on: January 16, 2013, 07:54:48 PM »
I mean, from a songwriting standpoint YotBR definitely is > 2nd stage.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #721 on: January 16, 2013, 07:55:27 PM »
HOW IS THIS THE SAME BAND THAT RELEASED DUDS LIKE PEARL OF THE STARS AND THAT SKELETON SONG WITH THE NAME I'M NOT BOTHERED ENOUGH TO REMEMBER!?
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #722 on: January 16, 2013, 08:09:21 PM »
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 16, 2013, 07:55:27 PM
DUDS LIKE PEARL OF THE STARS

Yeah, your opinion is now irrelevant.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #723 on: January 16, 2013, 08:09:40 PM »
Based on what I have heard (havn't heard the newest two yet...but working on that tonight)

FFTtEoM
IKSoSE
YotBR
SSTB




NWFT
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #724 on: January 16, 2013, 08:15:27 PM »
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Quote from: Sigz on January 16, 2013, 05:46:42 PM
Meh, I really like YOTBR.

The worst Coheed album is still very good! Says a lot about this band.
Yeah, this.


Also ZKX fails so hard for naming two of the better tracks from YOTBR and calling them duds.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #725 on: January 16, 2013, 08:24:21 PM »
Quote from: Sigz on January 16, 2013, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 16, 2013, 07:55:27 PM
DUDS LIKE PEARL OF THE STARS

Yeah, your opinion is now irrelevant.

Yup.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #726 on: January 16, 2013, 08:27:27 PM »
Actually I only kinda named one.  ;)

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I mean, from a songwriting standpoint YotBR definitely is > 2nd stage.

Time Consumer is better than all of Rainbland... combined.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #727 on: January 16, 2013, 08:51:34 PM »
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What's wrong with it? If two people know and love each other on that level, it's kind of a sweet line.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #728 on: January 16, 2013, 09:02:15 PM »
Pearl is pretty much the same song as Far... with a sense of forced seriousness going for that "this means something" vibe in an infuriatingly cringe inducing manner.

Just compare the two songs. Ballads, traditional 3 chorus structure (like all songs on Rainbore), simple guitar solo, both about 5 minutes long.

Yet Far is a very nice song with a unique atmosphere.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #729 on: January 16, 2013, 09:09:15 PM »
Meh. I like YOTBR. The only thing I don't like is the production, but otherwise, it's about the same level of quality as the others for me.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #730 on: January 16, 2013, 09:13:45 PM »
Quote from: Nel on January 16, 2013, 09:09:15 PM
Meh. I like YOTBR. The only thing I don't like is the production, but otherwise, it's about the same level of quality as the others for me.

Hey that's cool. Lots of people have the wrong opinion about things. I met somebody once who said the Ford Mustang is a great car... crazy shit, bro.
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #731 on: January 16, 2013, 09:16:31 PM »
Oh, it's okay, man. You just keep on enjoying that sub-par Between The Buried And Me album they released last year and I'll keep on enjoying YOTBR.  :tup
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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #732 on: January 16, 2013, 09:17:49 PM »
It's only sub-par compared to TGM.
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« Reply #733 on: January 16, 2013, 09:18:38 PM »
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Quote from: Nel on January 16, 2013, 09:09:15 PM
Meh. I like YOTBR. The only thing I don't like is the production, but otherwise, it's about the same level of quality as the others for me.

Hey that's cool. Lots of people have the wrong opinion about things. I met somebody once who said the Ford Mustang is a great car... crazy shit, bro.

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Re: Coheed and Cambria v. Second Stage
« Reply #734 on: January 17, 2013, 09:50:42 AM »
Far and Pearl are two of the best songs on YOTBR.
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