On the Backs of Angels Thread

[ehra]

Which is precisely why I found it silly that MP retweeted it. Sort of a "see? I was right!"

Don't really see why it should matter in the end, if that's how he feels then he's entitled to that. He shouldn't have retweeted it if only because he should have realized that people would blow it out of proportion and make it out to be more than what it is (a previous band member thinks the band's most recent song is ok) In an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue, but oh well.

[bss4life15]

Man a lot of the people on here have said they moved on from Portnoy, but are arguing over him retweeting Eddie Trunk's tweet.  If you really have moved on, then why do you care what he said?

[Bacong]

false dichotomy

[Öxölklöfför]

This is, in a nutshell, the reason why it's a bad idea to say and discuss things using text. If everyone in this thread would sit down and discuss this face to face, we would understand each other much better. Basically because of that text is too "simple" to discuss things involving emotions. (I think that the invention of smileys is a way to compensate for this)

ban the internet!

The internet is good for many things, but it's a relatively poor channel for expressing opinions.

[Bacong]

lol

[hefdaddy42]

It seems like everything MP does will be criticized no matter what he does. 

In all fairness, he has earned that honestly.

At this point, I no longer care what either Eddie Trunk or Mike Portnoy thinks about this song.

[Jamesman42]

The entire problem is that MP retweeted the tweet (in light of the fact that he is no longer in the band, and the tweet is about the band's very first output without him).

He really needs to learn to not hit the "post" button without thinking about the consequences. You'd think he'd learn by now given the past 9 months or so, and he shouldn't wonder why people leave him some of the comments and think some of the thoughts that they do. It's embarrassing on his part no matter his intentions.

MP is a respectable musician, but I really get turned off by his media presence, because it seems passive-aggressive toward the band in general, even if he is being honest and innocent. Some things you just need to keep to yourself and work it out on your own time, out of media spotlight. I almost believe he LIKES creating added/unnecessary public drama to the fans.

[Implode]

Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.

[ariich]

Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.

That cymbal work is outrageous, I love it!

[utopiarun]

I personally couldn't give a rats behind if Eddie Trunk likes or dislikes the song. I happen to like the song a great deal and that's all that we should care about, whether we as individuals like it. And btw I didn't take his tweet as a shot at DT. He's Mikes friend I didn't expect him to go overboard about it .

[Jamesman42]

Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.

[ubit]

This is why I hate Twitter.

And Facebook.

And MySpace.

[Jamesman42]

Why? It's the people that use/misuse them? People can use them fine but some people can't without starting drama. MP seems to be in the latter category.

[bosk1]

Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.

If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable?

For those who think Trunk's comment was NOT negative : do you forget that this prick spilled the beans just before the official announcement of MM as the new DT drummer?

B.Lee

That's enough of that.  This forum does not exist for you to call people names, whether they are members of this forum or not. 

[tjanuranus]

I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.

As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.

[KevShmev]

The entire problem is that MP retweeted the tweet (in light of the fact that he is no longer in the band, and the tweet is about the band's very first output without him).

He really needs to learn to not hit the "post" button without thinking about the consequences. You'd think he'd learn by now given the past 9 months or so, and he shouldn't wonder why people leave him some of the comments and think some of the thoughts that they do. It's embarrassing on his part no matter his intentions.

MP is a respectable musician, but I really get turned off by his media presence, because it seems passive-aggressive toward the band in general, even if he is being honest and innocent. Some things you just need to keep to yourself and work it out on your own time, out of media spotlight. I almost believe he LIKES creating added/unnecessary public drama to the fans.

Agreed, on all accounts for the most part.  

It is so strange, because you watch the Transatlantic and Neal Morse DVDs, and in the behind the scenes, making of, etc. footage, Portnoy comes off as so down-to-earth and likable, but flip on a Dream Theater one, and it is like flipping a switch.  

As for liking to create unnecessary drama, I think it is more about him wanting...check that...NEEDING to be in the limelight, being talked about, etc.  With the new DT song out, notice how he went on a "tweet about AM" binge immediately after.  Imagine how it will be when the whole album is released in September!

[TheGreatPretender]

I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.

As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.

NOTHING IS OVER!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!


But while I don't really approve of trolling, A7X fans have done their share. Frankly, the band isn't even on the same radar of musicianship as DT. So they shouldn't even have a right to say anything bad about DT. My opinion of course.

[SystematicThought]

I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.

As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.

You had the picture of JP and you were to his right with a black jacket right? I'm sorry to sound like a creeper, I just remember you 

At least I still have Taffer over there

[ResultsMayVary]

I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.

As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.

NOTHING IS OVER!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!


But while I don't really approve of trolling, A7X fans have done their share. Frankly, the band isn't even on the same radar of musicianship as DT. So they shouldn't even have a right to say anything bad about DT. My opinion of course.

I could not agree more with the above statement. 

[clinks63]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

[Jamesman42]

Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.

If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable? 

Because he is doing so publicly, and it is too open to interpretation. Like I said, MP should really consider any and every thing he posts, because his passion/emotion often makes him seem like he is taking little jabs at DT's expense after his departure. Even if he is innocent, it just isn't necessary.

I hate to use analogies but: It's like kids who are told not to touch each other. The one kid then puts his finger near the other kid almost touching him, saying "I'm not touching him!" Sure, he isn't, but to an outsider of that event, it's just as bad because the kid feels like he HAS to go there by getting close to the offense without actually doing it. The parallel is that MP is passively posting things that may not be blatantly obvious, but are open enough to make a good chunk of people go "Why would you post that, MP?"

Why can't MP just stay away from saying things, or just carefully word his stuff...especially retweeting someone else's opinion? There is an entire fanbase watching these things, and while not everyone even cares, those that follow the DT/MP world do and it makes us question his integrity on these matters. Someone posted a good example of something MP could have posted that used the same basic words but rephrased. Maybe MP needs a publicist...

[ReaPsTA]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

So in spite all evidence to the contrary JP completely wrote the drums, and DT is not DT without MP in the band.  Check and check.  True believer I see.

[ResultsMayVary]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

JP laid out a basic beat and Mangini was given the freedom to interpret it how he wanted and then he wrote the drum parts. JR confirmed that on his chats the other day.

I hate when people overlook that crucial piece of information. Mangini DID write the drums on the entire album.

[KevShmev]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

No he wasn't.

[clinks63]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

No he wasn't.

so who was the drummer of DT before MM..if i said it wrong will this make it clear - "but knowing MP was IN DT"

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

JP laid out a basic beat and Mangini was given the freedom to interpret it how he wanted and then he wrote the drum parts. JR confirmed that on his chats the other day.

I hate when people overlook that crucial piece of information. Mangini DID write the drums on the entire album.

i think it's how we interpret how JP explained the drums part..write and play is a completely different thing..write and play/add is another thing..

[Perpetual Change]

I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.

[clinks63]

I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.

Mike Portnoy was a drummer for Dream Theater or Mike Portnoy is a former drummer for Dream Theater..

i've made my correction..don't you still get it..

[TL]

I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.

Mike Portnoy was a drummer for Dream Theater or Mike Portnoy is a former drummer for Dream Theater..

i've made my correction..don't you still get it..

Dude, you're talking nonsense. As in, I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[j]

He was correcting his earlier post that said "MP was DT".  He meant to say "MP was IN DT" or "MP was a former drummer for DT", etc.

-J

[Bertielee]

Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.

That cymbal work is outrageous, I love it!

You bet! Listening closely, there is a MM world I discover with every listen. This guy is a freak!

B.Lee

[Bertielee]

Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.

If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable?

For those who think Trunk's comment was NOT negative : do you forget that this prick spilled the beans just before the official announcement of MM as the new DT drummer?

B.Lee

That's enough of that.  This forum does not exist for you to call people names, whether they are members of this forum or not.  

OK, Bosky, won't do it again! Sorry!

B.Lee

[aurorablind]

Just to get back on track here... I think i've listened to the song probably more than 25 times since it came out. Im completely hooked! I think the last DT-song that gave me this "must..listen..to..song...AGAIN" feeling was Octavarium, and thats one of my absolute favs.
One of the main things i like about this song is actually the arrangement. The song manages to keep the listener interested, and never repeats things to many times (hello Nightmare to Remember). When a riff or a melody gets repeated it's never the same either. There may be a subtle change in the melody, rythm or guitar riff that keeps things interesting.
One thing i especially like is when the chorus repeats the last time. Mangini doubles the beat the first couple of bars. Here we believe that they will continue playing the chorus in double time for a complete round, but no! He goes back to the original rythm and ends the chorus the way it does the first couple of times.
These small, simple, subtle changes are just som goddamn appealing, and something i feel have been missing in their music for a while. Even after 25 listens there are things i didn't notice the last time listening. This is something that i feel DT where masters at, but have been hiding for a while.

And, goddamn. Mangini - i love you. Last year, when we started speculating about the whole auditioning process, the last drummer i wanted to be in DT was Mangini. I've never liked his style. I never liked his drum sound. I thought he was way to flashy etc etc. But, oh boy, how i have underestimated him. He fits DT like a glove. At the first listen it was like hearing SFAM-Portnoy playing, but after a couple of listens i can defenitely hear that he is very unique. He playes exactly what the song needs drumming-wise, and spices things up with subtle, but completely insane bits of drumming. I love the fact that it feels like he didn't go 100% Psycho on this one, and just proved to everybody that he fits. We're in for a big treat here guys (and girls).  

FUCK. LOVING THIS  

[tartarus250]

this and i cant wait to hear him go ape

[hefdaddy42]

remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..

Eddie?

[El JoNNo]

I didn't read 41 pages.. Has anyone mentioned that OTBOA sounds like James' solo material did the nasty with Liquid Tension Experiment. Obviously it is all the same guys but James, LTE and DT all had there own unique sound to a degree. When I first heard this single it was as if LTE wrote an instrumental and JLB sang over it, again to a degree. I fucking love it. If JLB does some vocal acrobatics on this album I will be pleased.