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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: jonny108 on June 28, 2011, 11:22:08 AM
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On the Backs of Angels being released tomorrow!!!! :metal :metal 11AM EST on Roadrunners youtube channel! Also the artwork has a plane and a tightrope in the sky :)
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On The Backs Of Angels to be premiered tomorrow at 11am. There's also a tasty glimpse of the artwork in the email.
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/socialmedia/dt-singlestream.jpg)
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That's cool....... Is it real though?
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Email from roadrunner: "Be the first to listen to Dream Theater's New Track!
Road Runner Records and Dream Theater are proud to announce the premiere of Dream Theater's new track "On the Backs of Angels" taken from their highly anticipated upcoming album A Dramatic Turn of Events due out this September. Tune into Roadrunner Record's YouTube Channel this Wednesday June, 29th at 11 AM EST to stream the new track!""
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Well, I'll post in this thread since it's a minute older..
HOLY SHIT! TOMORROW? ;D
EDIT: ;D ;D ;D
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EDIT: NINJA'ED BY A MERGE. Nothing to see here people.
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Yeah, I just got an e-mail literally ten seconds ago saying that a "song from the new Dream Theater album" would be released tomorrow. It didn't say which song in particular, however. And did anybody check out the rest of the revealed artwork? It's a sailboat on an open ocean with the Majesty symbol on one sail.
Anyway, can't wait until tomorrow!
EDIT: Dude above me just posted it lol
EDIT 2: Actually now that I look more and I wake up a little more, it looks like the wing of an airplane.
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Yep. I like the picture too.
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YES
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Yeah, I just got an e-mail literally ten seconds ago saying that a "song from the new Dream Theater album" would be released tomorrow. It didn't say which song in particular, however. And did anybody check out the rest of the revealed artwork? It's a sailboat on an open ocean with the Majesty symbol on one sail.
Anyway, can't wait until tomorrow!
EDIT: Dude above me just posted it lol
Looks like a plane in the sky to me.
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Awesome.
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To listen or not to listen
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I should be home for this, I'm excited
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It's a sailboat on an open ocean with the Majesty symbol on one sail.
wot. Dude, airplane.
rumborak
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I've got a test to become a mailman at 11 am. :censored I'll just have to listen to it when I get home.
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Yeeehaaaw!!! Excited like most of you ;-)
I love what I see of the artwork! Excellent!
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Will it be an actual single or just a selected track that they're playing?
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It's a sailboat on an open ocean with the Majesty symbol on one sail.
wot. Dude, airplane.
rumborak
Nope. It's a sailboat. You can tell because of the clouds in the water.
:neverusethis:
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i cant imagine whats on the end of the rope, but i like the plane/sky
really awesome
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I like that the announcements have been done this way. not a whole lot of announcing that there will be an announcement. with this and the documentary it has been "tune in tomorrow at 11." so, im glad for that. really pumped to give the track a listen. hopefully it gets me more excited for the album than ARoP did.
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Wonder if MP is going to listen at 11 tomorrow
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i hope its in 720p on youtube. need to hear a DT song for the first time in high quality
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Lame.
I have class from 9am til 4pm tomorrow then taking a train to St. Louis and won't be there till thursday morning.
Poop.
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I hope it's not an edit either!!
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I hope it's not an edit either!!
I hope so too, maybe it's a shorter track that will be played in full length.
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Wonder if MP is going to listen at 11 tomorrow
Doubt it. He will eventually get to hear it, though.
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This is pretty sweet, I'll be getting home between 11 and noon, so I'll be able to hear it right away. :D
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Just in time for me to wake up :lol
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this song needs to be badass. It needs to destroy souls.
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YES
This 11x !! Let's hope the single is good! god, I have not been this excited since A Rite Of Passage (the excitement lasted for two days then, though :-\)
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--383K8zBxT4/Tb6I67hc1XI/AAAAAAAAAzU/K1W-KFmr78w/s1600/mike-mangini-mydistortions.jpg)
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Just in time for me to wake up :lol
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not gonna be home til like 5:30 tomorow. ouch
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i cant imagine whats on the end of the rope, but i like the plane/sky
really awesome
I'm thinking it's not a tightrope... look at the right side of the picture. There's nothing there.
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I love how RR don't waste time. Mastering done and pouch! Single next day. :tup
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I love how RR don't waste time. Mastering done and pouch! Single next day. :tup
Just in time for it to be known by fans by the time the tour comes.
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the only image i have in my head is of an old pilot guy hanging on to the rope, and he has the hat with flaps on it too :lol
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i cant imagine whats on the end of the rope, but i like the plane/sky
really awesome
I'm thinking it's not a tightrope... look at the right side of the picture. There's nothing there.
There is...a tiny line as though the tightrope extends out into the distance.
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Damn that was quick! Album gets mastered and we get a single tomorrow? And people thought the band wouldn't be doing cool shit like this once MP left! :lol
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not sure how you thought of a tightrope, but maybe this is an individual artwork for this particular song?
would be interesting, but i hope that if it isnt the album cover, i hope it has the warm/ bright colors. very refreshing after the darkness of SC and BCSL
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Not to take anything away from the band or RoadRunner, but I'm fairly sure that they knew what the single was going to be and that they mixed/mastered it first in order to get ready for its release as a single.
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On the Backs of Angels being released tomorrow!!!! :metal :metal 11amEST on roadrunners youtube channel! Also the artwork has a plane and a tightrope in the sky :)
(https://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6445/costanzaphoto1.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/808/costanzaphoto1.jpg/)
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I just saw some parts of artwork, it looks very nice ;) for me it's a plane ;) I'm not the one I think :P I want 11am, NOW!!!!!!
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(https://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6445/costanzaphoto1.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/808/costanzaphoto1.jpg/)
QFT!!! i think i am as excited as can be..!! come 24 hours!! bring it on. i see a poll coming up..from me!!
so we will hear new riffs, maybe some bass, new synth sounds but most important and most awaiting for...new drums!!
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...and James if it's not a instrumental :metal
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It's a banner that says "Eat At Joe's"
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I laughed when I got the email. Am glad we get to hear the beginning of the album first.
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It's a banner that says "Eat At Joe's"
I assume you mean "Ea A oes"
Right?
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Would be awesome if we tuned in tomorrow and clicked on the link and Rebecka Black started playing in the speakers.
Also... fuck yes!
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It's a banner that says "Eat At Joe's"
I assume you mean "Ea A oes"
Right?
Yes... Yes of course.
ON THE BACK OF AAAAAAANGEEEEEELLLSS
SOARING THROUGH THE SKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
THEY WILL NEEEEVERRRR CHANGE UUUUUUUUUUSSSSS
WE CONTINUE TO FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
:metardica:
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Wonder if MP is going to listen at 11 tomorrow
I don't know if MP will listen but expect a barrage of Adrenaline Mob facebook posts around 11AM as a counterattack
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Upon seeing this thread, I left my room pumping my fists in the air trumphantly.
"Yes! Yes! Sound the trumpets of the angels! New Dream Theater song, tomorrow!"
My mom gave me the "That's good!" mom thing. She got that I was excited but couldn't relate to it.
My brother, who's a Nirvana fan, gave me an annoyed scowl.
Thomas "Hey man, why do I care?"
Me "Because Dream Theater's releasing a new song."
Thomas "At least your band releases new material still."
Me "Yeah, well, what can I say? John Petrucci hasn't committed suicide yet."
And then I danced away knowing I won the conversation.
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can't wait!
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Oh, wow. I cannot wait until tomorrow, geez.
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I am so excited right now...Can't wait to hear the new song!
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Upon seeing this thread, I left my room pumping my fists in the air trumphantly.
"Yes! Yes! Sound the trumpets of the angels! New Dream Theater song, tomorrow!"
My mom gave me the "That's good!" mom thing. She got that I was excited but couldn't relate to it.
My brother, who's a Nirvana fan, gave me an annoyed scowl.
Thomas "Hey man, why do I care?"
Me "Because Dream Theater's releasing a new song."
Thomas "At least your band releases new material still."
Me "Yeah, well, what can I say? John Petrucci hasn't committed suicide yet."
And then I danced away knowing I won the conversation.
WIN. In every sense.
And i've done the same thing, but my father actually like DT, in fact he's coming with me in Verona...
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(https://imgur.com/tCp90.gif)
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Awesome! :laugh:
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(https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/lucilleexcited.gif)
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Just in time for me to wake up :lol
I'm pumped. Definitely wasn't expecting this news. I figure we're bound to see the full artwork too in light of the teaser picture.
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Upon seeing this thread, I left my room pumping my fists in the air trumphantly.
"Yes! Yes! Sound the trumpets of the angels! New Dream Theater song, tomorrow!"
My mom gave me the "That's good!" mom thing. She got that I was excited but couldn't relate to it.
My brother, who's a Nirvana fan, gave me an annoyed scowl.
Thomas "Hey man, why do I care?"
Me "Because Dream Theater's releasing a new song."
Thomas "At least your band releases new material still."
Me "Yeah, well, what can I say? John Petrucci hasn't committed suicide yet."
And then I danced away knowing I won the conversation.
I did that! Giddily hopped around the house, telling everyone I could, between hyperventilated breaths. And then wrote on my friend's wall 'cause I know he'll love it.
Ooooooh I can't wait.
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Not to take anything away from the band or RoadRunner, but I'm fairly sure that they knew what the single was going to be and that they mixed/mastered it first in order to get ready for its release as a single.
I don't see why they would do that. It would actually make releasing the single more expensive. If everything was mixed mastered together and is done today, all you have to do is get an mp3 file from the mastering engineer and upload it to Youtube tomorrow. If you mix/master it in a separate session you have to pay more money both for Andy Wallace (not a cheap mixer) and especially for the mastering engineer (a cheap mastering engineer costs almost $100 an hour, and I doubt DT used a cheap engineer).
It's not like before where if you want to release a single you need the final song done weeks in advance. If RR wanted to release the single after it was done this morning, they could have.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :corn :corn :corn
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Fuck you induction day! I'm staying at home to listen to some DT!
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I have an RCN guy come in tomorrow and change the internet over at my place. He better have his shit together!!!
rumborak
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(https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/lucilleexcited.gif)
Oh my god, this sums up my reaction perfectly. :lol
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I have an RCN guy come in tomorrow and change the internet over at my place. He better have his shit together!!!
rumborak
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Fuck you induction day! I'm staying at home to listen to some DT!
If this is sixth form induction, I think I did the exact same thing five years ago. It might've been Muse, but nonetheless - absolute waste of time, induction day. It did me no harm at all. I got my degree today and everything.
Staying at home and listening to Dream Theater is honestly the best thing you can possibly do.
EDIT: Although, come to think of it, I got my degree today and yet this is the thing I'm excited about. Yeah, I'm never going to grow up. :hat
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Not to take anything away from the band or RoadRunner, but I'm fairly sure that they knew what the single was going to be and that they mixed/mastered it first in order to get ready for its release as a single.
I don't see why they would do that. It would actually make releasing the single more expensive. If everything was mixed mastered together and is done today, all you have to do is get an mp3 file from the mastering engineer and upload it to Youtube tomorrow. If you mix/master it in a separate session you have to pay more money both for Andy Wallace (not a cheap mixer) and especially for the mastering engineer (a cheap mastering engineer costs almost $100 an hour, and I doubt DT used a cheap engineer).
It's not like before where if you want to release a single you need the final song done weeks in advance. If RR wanted to release the single after it was done this morning, they could have.
I wasn't insisting it was done in a separate session, just that when it came time to mix they did that song first, and then when it came time to master they once again did it first.
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(https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/lucilleexcited.gif)
The only accurate response upon hearing this news.
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HYPEEEEEEEEE!!
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Whoops, just made a thread about this before I saw the sticky. Luckily it was locked WITHIN SECONDS! :lol :lol
Damn Nick you're quick
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Damn Nick you're quick
If I had a quarter for every time I've heard that...
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Tomorrow will be awesome.
I'll be ready with my F5...
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Damn Nick you're quick
If I had a quarter for every time I've heard that...
as long as the wrife/girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't tell you so :lol
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Don't know if anyone else picked this up... but according to DT.net, it's gonna be streaming on the roadrunnerrecords YouTube.
Ew.
Ah well, least I've got a full AudioHijack licence.
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Stupid youtube. I can't listen at work!
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Stupid youtube. I can't listen at work!
yep, im in the same boat. gonna be a longgggggg day tomorrow
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Don't know if anyone else picked this up... but according to DT.net, it's gonna be streaming on the roadrunnerrecords YouTube.
Ew.
Ah well, least I've got a full AudioHijack licence.
isn't that agaisnst the forum rules? i'm sorry i'm somehow /sometimes lost with that. and i dont want to drag about it, or start the discussion which has been done a zillion times before ending up in flame wars and bans....
it's on youtube so it's official...ok?
if i use audicity and record the stream and make an mp3 out of it and talk about it...than that's against rule 2? or....?
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Don't know if anyone else picked this up... but according to DT.net, it's gonna be streaming on the roadrunnerrecords YouTube.
Ew.
Ah well, least I've got a full AudioHijack licence.
isn't that agaisnst the forum rules? i'm sorry i'm somehow /sometimes lost with that. and i dont want to drag about it, or start the discussion which has been done a zillion times before ending up in flame wars and bans....
it's on youtube so it's official...ok?
if i use audicity and record the stream and make an mp3 out of it and talk about it...than that's against rule 2? or....?
I think distribution would be against the rules. Recording for private use isn't much of a crime, seeing as it's material that I have access to anyway.
But if I'm wrong, then heck! It's been seven years, I'm probably well overdue a ban.
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Not to take anything away from the band or RoadRunner, but I'm fairly sure that they knew what the single was going to be and that they mixed/mastered it first in order to get ready for its release as a single.
I don't see why they would do that. It would actually make releasing the single more expensive. If everything was mixed mastered together and is done today, all you have to do is get an mp3 file from the mastering engineer and upload it to Youtube tomorrow. If you mix/master it in a separate session you have to pay more money both for Andy Wallace (not a cheap mixer) and especially for the mastering engineer (a cheap mastering engineer costs almost $100 an hour, and I doubt DT used a cheap engineer).
It's not like before where if you want to release a single you need the final song done weeks in advance. If RR wanted to release the single after it was done this morning, they could have.
I wasn't insisting it was done in a separate session, just that when it came time to mix they did that song first, and then when it came time to master they once again did it first.
Except that JP confirmed that mixing and mastering finished today.
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I love the look and feel of the artwork so far. It is very refreshing and bright. Not as cool as the fan artwork on that one thread, but we all knew that would be that case. :-)
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Don't know if anyone else picked this up... but according to DT.net, it's gonna be streaming on the roadrunnerrecords YouTube.
Ew.
Ah well, least I've got a full AudioHijack licence.
So does it mean it will be available only at 11:00am and will be played once, like live stream and will not be available later??
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i think it will be on youtube for a long time. robably forever. some labels put whole albums up there
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Don't know if anyone else picked this up... but according to DT.net, it's gonna be streaming on the roadrunnerrecords YouTube.
Ew.
Ah well, least I've got a full AudioHijack licence.
So does it mean it will be available only at 11:00am and will be played once, like live stream and will not be available later??
I think that's just the time it goes live. It'd be very mean to stream it only the once - plus, loads of people would miss the start.
I hope so, anyway.
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Yeah I hope that I could hear it when I'll be back... word stream misleads me...
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But Youtube, eh? Crap. I'm almost certain to see a "Sorry - video not available in your country" (Same thing already happened with the TSCO documentary).
Well, gonna have to wait for alternative links then...
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I wonder when it will be released on iTunes
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i think it will be on youtube for a long time. robably forever. some labels put whole albums up there
I'm reasonably certain that they don't. You're probably thinking of people who rip the album and illegally upload all the songs.
But you're right about this song, I imagine it will stay up for good.
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Cool! :tup...
Tin
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Well..."Locust" by Machine Head has been on youtube for a few weeks.
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Oh piss lips, I'm starting work when the stream starts.
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i think it will be on youtube for a long time. robably forever. some labels put whole albums up there
I'm reasonably certain that they don't. You're probably thinking of people who rip the album and illegally upload all the songs.
May I introduce to you sumerian records?
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Not to take anything away from the band or RoadRunner, but I'm fairly sure that they knew what the single was going to be and that they mixed/mastered it first in order to get ready for its release as a single.
I don't see why they would do that. It would actually make releasing the single more expensive. If everything was mixed mastered together and is done today, all you have to do is get an mp3 file from the mastering engineer and upload it to Youtube tomorrow. If you mix/master it in a separate session you have to pay more money both for Andy Wallace (not a cheap mixer) and especially for the mastering engineer (a cheap mastering engineer costs almost $100 an hour, and I doubt DT used a cheap engineer).
It's not like before where if you want to release a single you need the final song done weeks in advance. If RR wanted to release the single after it was done this morning, they could have.
I wasn't insisting it was done in a separate session, just that when it came time to mix they did that song first, and then when it came time to master they once again did it first.
Except that JP confirmed that mixing and mastering finished today.
What's your point? The mastering of the ALBUM finished today. That doesn't mean the song wasn't mastered a week ago.
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Damn, I'm going to visit a friend tomorrow and planned to leave home at EXACTLY the time this is being released! Might have to risk missing my train :D
Great news anyway :hefdaddy
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yeeehaaaaa!
Woodrow!
too bad I work until 5.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I wont check this thread until I hear it.
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i think it will be on youtube for a long time. robably forever. some labels put whole albums up there
I'm reasonably certain that they don't. You're probably thinking of people who rip the album and illegally upload all the songs.
But you're right about this song, I imagine it will stay up for good.
yes full albums are uploaded by certain record labels. though not as big as RR, but it does happen
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Oh ok, maybe smaller independent labels, fair enough. Haven't seen it before but it's a cool idea.
What's your point? The mastering of the ALBUM finished today. That doesn't mean the song wasn't mastered a week ago.
My point was that your point is irrelevant. It may well have been finished a week ago. But the song isn't being released until tomorrow, and the whole album is finished, so when it was finished makes no difference. :P
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It does make a difference because people are all like, "OMGZ, mastering just finished today and tomorrow RoadRunner is releasing a single". It's more likely they've had the finished version of a track for the last week, have been preparing for the release of it, and the fact that the rest of the album was finished today is what's irrelevant.
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The song could have been mastered today and released today. It's not very hard to upload something to youtube. Doesn't really take much effort.
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Shame it's a single. Those usually aren't as good as the other tracks, but I'm still excited. I feel confident about this album.
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The song could have been mastered today and released today. It's not very hard to upload something to youtube. Doesn't really take much effort.
Yes, if Dream Theater was an unknown band on some random tiny label that might be how it's done. But they're not and this is RoadRunner, things are done with a little more preparation, or at least I'd hope they are.
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It does make a difference because people are all like, "OMGZ, mastering just finished today and tomorrow RoadRunner is releasing a single". It's more likely they've had the finished version of a track for the last week, have been preparing for the release of it, and the fact that the rest of the album was finished today is what's irrelevant.
Nick is correct. Labels plan way ahead with the band on what they want to release and so forth but who cares. We get to hear new DT tomorrow!!!
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Meh i dont give a damn shit about my job i will step out!
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The song could have been mastered today and released today. It's not very hard to upload something to youtube. Doesn't really take much effort.
Yes, if Dream Theater was an unknown band on some random tiny label that might be how it's done. But they're not and this is RoadRunner, things are done with a little more preparation, or at least I'd hope they are.
What I'm saying is, there is no need for preparation. The mastering was probably done to schedule. Finish album on today's date, release the single the following day. It's not like mastering is a floating time frame. They book that session and get it done on time and on budget.
All it takes from finish of master to youtube is export file, upload to youtube. I'm sure that idea was conceived before the song was even mastered.
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I am excited!
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Even if its complete horse shit it will definetly be the greatest song ever.
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Even if its complete horse shit it will definetly be the greatest song ever.
:rollin
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The song could have been mastered today and released today. It's not very hard to upload something to youtube. Doesn't really take much effort.
Yes, if Dream Theater was an unknown band on some random tiny label that might be how it's done. But they're not and this is RoadRunner, things are done with a little more preparation, or at least I'd hope they are.
What preparation is there to do?
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I wonder if the song will be within an official video
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I'm very interested, because...
-DT's singles are usually among the poorest of the album.
on the other hand...
-DT's opening tracks are usually among the best of the album.
It seems like the chances of this song being good is 50/50.
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To the "debating" going on about timing... does it really matter?
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I'm predicting that this song will have a bit of a FII vibe. In a good way.
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To the "debating" going on about timing... does it really matter?
IF I CAN'T PROVE TO NICK THAT HE'S WRONG AND I'M RIGHT THEN I'M WORTHLESS, UTTERLY WORTHLESS AS A HUMAN BEING. DIDN'T YOU KNOW!?!?!?
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Im guessing there will be an insane drum intro!
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^ :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I'm very interested, because...
-DT's singles are usually among the poorest of the album.
on the other hand...
-DT's opening tracks are usually among the best of the album.
It seems like the chances of this song being good is 50/50.
nope.
the big nasty is 100% confident it will be rawkin.
i'm not sure why, but i do. and im never wrong.
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I'll be damned. I've said those exact words to the wife. :lol
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Tomorrow cannot come quickly enough.
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I'm so excited that it makes the mermaids cry.
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Exactly. I have tons of shit to do, but not before I defeat the evil Reapsta.
Also, while I think DT have generally had many great opening tracks, they've also had a small number of misses for me. On the other hand I really like a lot of their singles.
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I'm in the club of people who will be stuck at work all day and can't listen till I get home (about 5:00pm) DAMMIT!! There will be a thread about it (or this one continued) for about 37 pages by then!!! I was so surprised by this news and i hope to be just as surprised by the awesomeness of this new song!
I'm also in the camp of people who think that whatever snippet of art we have seen may just be for this single. I think full album art may be later still. As for what they show on the Youtube video - it will be artwork for this song, and probably the new promo shots of the guys (interior album booklet art??)
So yeah, 22 hours and counting till I hear it....
:metal :metal (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_882.jpg) :metal :metal
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Won't hear this until 23 hours or so from now. EXCITED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT
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14 hours and 48 minutes.
I'm as giddy as a fucking school girl.
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14 hours and 48 minutes.
I'm as giddy as fucking school girl.
How I read it.
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Won't hear this until 23 hours or so from now. EXCITED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT
you forgot the period u math nub.
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Tomorrow's lunch break will be the best lunch break in the history of lunch breaks.
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It might also be an opportune time since the tour starts next week, but even moreso because everyone just got a listen at Adrenaline Mob yesterday... :P
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Won't hear this until 23 hours or so from now. EXCITED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT
you forgot the period u math nub.
EXCITEMENT SUPERSEDES PUNCTUATION DAWG
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Im wondering whether that's the plane's tail, and not a wing. Theperspective seems kinda off if it's a wing.
Maybe i'm off...
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LOL at that picture.
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Im wondering whether that's the plane's tail, and not a wing. Theperspective seems kinda off if it's a wing.
Maybe i'm off...
Initially, I was thinking the same thing. But if it were the tail, the Majesty symbol would be at a really weird angle, meaning the plane would have to be tilted away from the perspective of the picture (assuming the majesty symbol isn't intentionally distorted). If it were, then it would be a pretty misshapen tail (seems to be too long to me). It might make more sense if it were the underside of the right wing. That would be a more appropriate shape given the angle. Then again, I'm no expert on planes or the physics involved with perspective.
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it will be an intro song of 1 min :facepalm:
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Sweet. I have to leave around 10:30 CT in the morning, so I should be able to squeeze it in before then! :tup :tup
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I've always been happy about the opening track on all the DT records! I gotta feeling this is gonna be awesome
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it will be an intro song of 1 min :facepalm:
That'd be the biggest letdown ever. Can you imagine getting all hyped up and being served with a song like Regression? :lol
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it will be an intro song of 1 min :facepalm:
That'd be the biggest letdown ever. Can you imagine getting all hyped up and being served with a song like Regression? :lol
Oh god. :lol
The more I think of it though the less I'm excited. I don't know why. Maybe it's because this was my least favourite title on the album.
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This will be me tomorrow, provided I can find time to actually listen to it.
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Listen with a open mind is all I can say. I'm excited for this new, non-Portnoy, chapter in DT history.
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The song could have been mastered today and released today. It's not very hard to upload something to youtube. Doesn't really take much effort.
Yes, if Dream Theater was an unknown band on some random tiny label that might be how it's done. But they're not and this is RoadRunner, things are done with a little more preparation, or at least I'd hope they are.
What I'm saying is, there is no need for preparation. The mastering was probably done to schedule. Finish album on today's date, release the single the following day. It's not like mastering is a floating time frame. They book that session and get it done on time and on budget.
All it takes from finish of master to youtube is export file, upload to youtube. I'm sure that idea was conceived before the song was even mastered.
I'm not sure how effective that would be, but maybe the idea was exactly to cause this sort of hype. They give us a short time to get excited about it, which in the end leads to our telling everyone we meet for 24 hours about how much we are looking forward to it...
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I'm very interested, because...
-DT's singles are usually among the poorest of the album.
on the other hand...
-DT's opening tracks are usually among the best of the album.
It seems like the chances of this song being good is 50/50.
You read my mind :omg:
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Oh yeah, I did notice that. I was just listening to A Rite of Passage yesterday and I kept thinking how flat and uninspired it sounded.
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it will be an intro song of 1 min :facepalm:
That'd be the biggest letdown ever. Can you imagine getting all hyped up and being served with a song like Regression? :lol
It would be somewhat disappointing, but if that means this will be another concept album, I'm more than OK with that.
P.S. Is there a way to quote multiple people in one single comment? Sorry for my forum ignorance...
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Yeah I hope that I could hear it when I'll be back... word stream misleads me...
Hmm, not a hundred percent sure about this, but "stream" is what one does with youtube videos or myspace songs. The term stands kind of in opposition to download, where the file is saved in your computer.
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I WILL SHIT MY PANTS RIGHT NOW :caffeine:
Wait what?
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What a great day tomorrow is. The octobans that I ordered are coming and now a new DT single :caffeine:
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Oh yeah, I did notice that. I was just listening to A Rite of Passage yesterday and I kept thinking how flat and uninspired it sounded.
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't dislike A Rite of Passage. It's not great or anything close to that, but it's not terrible.
Cannot wait for tomorrow, though, ahhhh.
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YAAAYYY!!
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Oh yeah, I did notice that. I was just listening to A Rite of Passage yesterday and I kept thinking how flat and uninspired it sounded.
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't dislike A Rite of Passage. It's not great or anything close to that, but it's not terrible.
Cannot wait for tomorrow, though, ahhhh.
A Rite of Passage might be my least liked song from BC&SL, but that doesn't mean I dislike it. I like it quite a lot really (yeah, I'm one of those freaks who love BC&SL...)
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Oh yeah, I did notice that. I was just listening to A Rite of Passage yesterday and I kept thinking how flat and uninspired it sounded.
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't dislike A Rite of Passage. It's not great or anything close to that, but it's not terrible.
Cannot wait for tomorrow, though, ahhhh.
A Rite of Passage might be my least liked song from BC&SL, but that doesn't mean I dislike it. I like it quite a lot really (yeah, I'm one of those freaks who love BC&SL...)
AROP is my least favorite on BC&SL. It sounds really uninspired and to be honest the only thing I appreciate of the song is the Guitar solo. Good stuff.
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ARoP took a long time for me to grow into, but now I like it a lot.
Oh, and anyone else from the UK know what time it'll be? I have googled, but the confusion lies in our daylight saving time...
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Best part of AROp is the second verse. Everything, the vocal melodies, music underneath...not the lyrics though, obviously.
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ARoP is fine. It's not great, but it's not half as bad as people seem to think. It's significantly better than TBOT, at least.
-J
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TBOT > AROP for me. It starts of strong and kinda falls down a bit in the middle, but the end makes up for it, to me. The build to the solo is what I look forward to, though I know people generally think the vocal sections are bland (and I somewhat agree).
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ARoP is fine. It's not great, but it's not half as bad as people seem to think. It's significantly better than TBOT, at least.
-J
I seriously can't understand why so many people hate TBOT. I mean yes, the lyrics are awful, but musically I think it's one of their better songs of the past like 4 albums.
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lots will probably say "because it's cheesy lol!" but that's really not a way to discuss the song's music. I, too, consider it's a beautiful song musically. Petrucci's ending solo is one of his best, for sure.
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By the way, I agree with Adami, the music is superb. It's the vocal melodies, or something. To me, it's not the ideal key scale (hope I am saying that right) or range for JLB to sing the song in. He sounds too restrained/lazy, where it could have had more energy.
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By the way, I agree with Adami, the music is superb. It's the vocal melodies, or something. To me, it's not the ideal key scale (hope I am saying that right) or range for JLB to sing the song in. He sounds too restrained/lazy, where it could have had more energy.
You have one point with JLB's register. I mean, it was originally sung my Portnoy, who doesn't have the widest of vocal ranges, and thought "hey, you could sing it up an octave in the chorus!". Either way, I find JLB's performance to be quite good in the second half of the song.
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I know that it was tuned for Portnoy, but they could've shifted it for JLB, no? JLB does well enough for what he has room to work with, but you can tell that there is a limitation. I do agree that the second half ("fleeting wings of time" and after) is better, but only because it is softer and more appropriate.
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I wonder
if the vid has got pohot's or something or just a banner with the music playing
the quality of the vid, in sound that is.
if reactions can be submitted
if...devin townsend.
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10 hours.... ;D ;D :metal :metal
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Are you ready... for ON THE BACKS OF ANGELS?!?
Ready?.... READY DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING DESCRIBE IT!!!
Cookies for anyone who gets the reference.
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Can't wait to hear it! :metal Let's see if I'll mangini today! :lol It seems that they wanted to announce the album details and release the first song this soon because the drummer announcement took so long.
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Wonder if MP is going to listen at 11 tomorrow
It's been stated many times that MP is the biggest Dream Theater fan, so even after his departure i think he'll be curious enough to check out the song tomorrow, even if it stings a little. How could he resist?
Also, I assume that since the DT plane is going one direction, I think whatever is tied to the rope is a symbolic representation of something going in the opposite direction, hence the title.
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so it's 11 o clock european time?
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No, it's always Eastern Standard Time (CET-6).
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I'm very interested, because...
-DT's singles are usually among the poorest of the album.
on the other hand...
-DT's opening tracks are usually among the best of the album.
It seems like the chances of this song being good is 50/50.
Someone is forgetting "Pull Me Under"
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Aniland, you're back already?
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7 hours, 9 minutes. And counting. :metal
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So excited!
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so it's 11 o clock european time?
EST -6
So that's 5pm GMT or 6pm GMT +1
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5 I think
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Even though it says EST, would it be possible that they mean 11am EDT? Because I see on Google that the east coast is in Daylight Savings at the moment, and it doesn't make sense they would say 11am EST if, as I mentioned, the east coast is in EDT. Just seems odd that they would announce something at a specific time but that particular time is not in widespread use in the country of origin. ???
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Is New York time EST time? because in NY is 4:07 AM now, so it will be 10:07 AM in Poland, so 6 hours +
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They probably means EST and nothing else. It's the same time as when the documentaries were released. :)
As for me, it's five o'clock pm. So I will make it one listen before going back home from work. :metal
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
Chris Collins?
:neverusethis:
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it's 11:00 here now....F5-ing the yuoutube channel....
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it's 11:00 here now....F5-ing the yuoutube channel....
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
:|
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11:07 here still F5 RR Youtube channel... all I can see it's Korn for now ;) I think that we can surely expext it at 5PM Europe guys ;)
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YAAAYYY!!
This is the perfect way to describe how I feel
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5pm is ok with me, than i'm home so i can listen to it on a true stereo instead of shitty laptop speakers.
nonethelss i will keep checking youtube throughout the day
the episodes got online on differetn times as well...
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
That's actually the first thing I thought of when I saw it.
Good to know I'm not the only one around here with macabre imagination.
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4pm in the UK.
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
What an abhorrent thing to say. =\
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The rope is a noose and there is a certain ex member hanging at the end of it.
What an abhorrent thing to say. =\
Sorry if I offended anyone. Remove the comment if it is unsuitable. I was making a light hearted joke around the saying "Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself" meaning....give (someone) enough rope to hang himself to allow (someone) to accomplish his own downfall by his own foolish acts.
Again, never meant to insult anyone.
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I'm Listening to all of the Devin Townsend Project to keep me company while I wait... :corn :corn :corn :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'm Listening to all of the Devin Townsend Project to keep me company while I wait... :corn :corn :corn :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
good choice of music!!! deconstruction? :-) :corn
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I'm Listening to all of the Devin Townsend Project to keep me company while I wait... :corn :corn :corn :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
good choice of music!!! deconstruction? :-) :corn
Its because...I AM THE MIGHTY MASTURBATOR.
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Are you ready... for ON THE BACKS OF ANGELS?!?
Ready?.... READY DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING DESCRIBE IT!!!
Cookies for anyone who gets the reference.
Halo Reach Awesome. And yes, words cannot describe it.
https://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=AU&rdm=4n18m1csp#/watch?v=sXasCjUTNpE
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A few more hours to go. What an incredible piece of news, betcha didn't see that coming. :metal
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Yup...Me is very excited and ADDICTED! just began.
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-fanboy moment-
I will admit that no matter what the track is... I will love it. anything DT does, i will and do love. Like with the drummer auditions... I would have been happy with anyone (maybe not as much with Roddy :roddy: )
i has an excite
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4pm in the UK.
thanks thats what i figured :tup i actually brought my studio earphones into work today so i could listen to it properly they never ever leave the house usually!!!
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YES IT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!! :metal
even though it's not...i just wanted to be the first one saying so. :loser:
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From Dream Theater in the comments, "Listen for MorphWiz at the top of the song...."
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Stupid youtube. I can't listen at work!
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:-O what if the video is a music video? Nice surprise.
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Question... has this song been confirmed as a SINGLE? Or is it just a release? Either way, cool that it's the opening track, even though the surprise of a Dream Theater album's opening will be taken away because listening to this.
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:-O what if the video is a music video? Nice surprise.
I assumed it was going to be??
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Korn ft. Skrillex :metal
4 hours now... waiting for 1 a.m. here in Australia, Melbourne
Question... has this song been confirmed as a SINGLE? Or is it just a release? Either way, cool that it's the opening track, even though the surprise of a Dream Theater album's opening will be taken away because listening to this.
I was thinking the same thing... maybe it's not a single in the sense that AROP or CM were, but an "actual" DT song (if you know what I mean :huh: :lol). I mean, it's the opening track on the album... they have a new drummer, and they would want to signify that they are bigger and stronger than ever, whilst retaining their musical roots.
So my guess is that the track is going to be epic, melodic, proggier than a typical DT single, and structurally non-radio friendly
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Question... has this song been confirmed as a SINGLE? Or is it just a release? Either way, cool that it's the opening track, even though the surprise of a Dream Theater album's opening will be taken away because listening to this.
I was thinking the same thing... maybe it's not a single in the sense that AROP or CM were, but an "actual" DT song (if you know what I mean :huh: :lol). I mean, it's the opening track on the album... they have a new drummer, and they would want to signify that they are bigger and stronger than ever, whilst retaining their musical roots.
So my guess is that the track is going to be epic, melodic, proggier than a typical DT single, and structurally non-radio friendly
Sure hope so..
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:-O what if the video is a music video? Nice surprise.
I assumed it was going to be??
i think it will just be a picture with the song. either album artwork or the group shot
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yeah. i'm sure if there was going to be an accompanying video, the official email would have said so.
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Korn ft. Skrillex :metal
4 hours now... waiting for 1 a.m. here in Australia, Melbourne
Same here. I was going to stay up and watch the tennis (C'MON TOMIC!!) anyways so its a win/win, especially if Tomic wins. ;D
Can't wait for 1 AM. :metal
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Actually, going by EST (which is what the announcement says) it'll be 2am Melbourne time, not 1am as was said. If it were 11am NY time it'd be 1am, but NY is on daylight savings and is therefore EDT. But I'll still be checking an hour early incase they said EST even though they could have meant current NY time...
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Question... has this song been confirmed as a SINGLE? Or is it just a release? Either way, cool that it's the opening track, even though the surprise of a Dream Theater album's opening will be taken away because listening to this.
I was wondering this too, since everyone keeps calling it a single, yet I don't see anything in the official announcement to confirm that. It probably is, but still I kinda hope it's not (for reasons already stated by other posters). Excited to hear it either way.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_4208.jpg) So excited!
And this post/avatar combo made me lol so hard for some reason :lol
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I wonder if it will be put up early.
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Does anyone know how I can get it from Youtube to my iPod? Hopefully someone can upload an mp3..
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Does anyone know how I can get it from Youtube to my iPod? Hopefully someone can upload an mp3..
That will not be allowed here. The only links that can be posted are official ones. As far as we know this is only be offered for streaming and not for download, so any sharing of mp3s is strictly against the rules.
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I remember waiting for hours on end to here songs on the radio so that I could record on a tape recorder and play it over and over till the album came out. Sometimes I'd wait for 4 to 5 hours sitting in my room waiting to tape it. Oh how the internet makes it easy to come home and just hit play a thousand times.
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OMG Almost 11 am! Nobody said anything about this song being a single. They just referred it as their new track. :metal
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Offtopic: WELCOME, in that glorious day ;) :metal
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Does anyone know how I can get it from Youtube to my iPod? Hopefully someone can upload an mp3..
That will not be allowed here. The only links that can be posted are official ones. As far as we know this is only be offered for streaming and not for download, so any sharing of mp3s is strictly against the rules.
OK..thanks for the clarification. I figured where it is being "officially" released through legit channels... as opposed to a leak.
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The morning was going really quickly until we hit 8am, and now it's just dragging along. 130 minutes to go.
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8 hours til i can hear it
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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1 hour 57 minutes and counting... :corn
they would really fuck us over with would be a song in the vains of vacant :lol
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I expect six to seven minutes.
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1 hour 57 minutes and counting... :corn
they would really fuck us over with would be a song in the vains of vacant :lol
Or Regression...
*Strumming guitars* "Sit back and imagine yourself riding on the backs of angels...."
Running time: 0:14.
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1 hour 57 minutes and counting... :corn
they would really fuck us over with would be a song in the vains of vacant :lol
Or Regression...
*Strumming guitars* "Sit back and imagine yourself riding on the backs of angels...."
Running time: 0:14.
A 4 minute acoustic guitar solo, actually, nvm, JP would make that epic.
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vacant is awesome. just too short
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Looking at that title it could be 'a ballad'-ish song... but I sure hope not.
DT needs to come in with a bang!
:corn
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I really can't see the first track on the album being a ballad. I know DT are changing the formula, but that would be a MASSIVE and rather odd change.
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Its new music, whatever it is i am excited.
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This wondering is so much fun. I really missed this time of waiting for an DT album. And it's always very different from what I imagine, in a good way. Still I couldn't stop myself from gettng hopes high because James said they have made an album like Images and Words and Scenes From a Memory.
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We're an hour away! So excited. There's nothing better than the moments leading up to your first listen. Once you listen, it's over. You can only listen for the first time once. I love that feeling!
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Its new music, whatever it is i am excited.
exactly. It's our first opportunity to hear Mangini with the DT guys, and to get a taste of the new direction DT are taking musically and sonically. It's pretty cool that they are even giving us any audio material at all.
I presume that pre-orders will become available not too long after this track is released.
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We're an hour away! So excited. There's nothing better than the moments leading up to your first listen. Once you listen, it's over. You can only listen for the first time once. I love that feeling!
So true! :tup
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So... one hour to go. The anticipation is brewing!
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Hey guys, wouldn't it be cool if they did this once per week? The next song per album, until it's all released in some form at the two-weeks-to-go mark? I could see them doing that. :)
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I don't.
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Hey guys, wouldn't it be cool if they did this once per week? The next song per album, until it's all released in some form at the two-weeks-to-go mark? I could see them doing that. :)
Don't get your hopes up. Really.
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I'm doing it brah.
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Oh god they better not do that.
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:corn :corn :corn
I'm all set up, got towels and everything, need to take a shower first.
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Graah can't wait! :metal Just 46 minutes...
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I don't think they'll release any more songs before August at least. Another single short before the release, I can foresee. But if they're only going to play one song live, that's going to be the only one we'll get now.
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God, I hope it's better than ARoP...
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I am so excited...got butterflies in my belly. :lol :metal :metal :metal
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:rollin
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Guys.... what if On the Backs of Angels is a canadian rap rendition of Stranger in Moscow? :O
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Well, exactly 40 minutes until this is released. Seems perfect, I'll just listen to Blackfield's new album which is the same length.
Pumped.
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Where do you get those from? :lol
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This is the first time I've been a member of the DT forum for a new release, even though I've been a fan since I&W. Honored to be here, excited for the new chapter to begin (at least for the fans!).
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The gifs on this thread are literally the internet's best.
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Where do you get those from? :lol
The DTF Labs of course!
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Man, I'm gonna wear out the F5 button if they don't release the single soon. :lol
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I don't know why you'd be hitting it already.
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I'd hit it.
:eyebrows:
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I'd hit it.
:eyebrows:
Oh snap. But don't snap your F5 key, then you're fucked.
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The reason I'm hitting it ( :eyebrows: ) is because I'm hoping it goes out a little earlier than expected. False hope, I know. :lol
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I think the TSCO episodes were out early, at least the third one was so it's not far fetched.
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I think the TSCO episodes were out early, at least the third one was so it's not far fetched.
Yes I think it came out a few minutes early... not too much though.
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Gonna have to hear the start of that KoRn song a whole bunch. ::) lol
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Yeah, I thought so too. It's not like I have a job to do here at work anyway. :lol
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Episode 2 came out about 15 minutes early...that last episode was a bit late.
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I think the TSCO episodes were out early, at least the third one was so it's not far fetched.
Actually, the third one was perfectly on time. The second one was released half an hour early, though.
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:omg: :omg: :omg:
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im not sure if i wanna read reactions or not, but i need to make a decision quick
ahh i wish youtube wasnt blocked at work
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turned on the computer and it was 11:30, got excited. Then I remembered i'm currently in a different time zone and I'm leaving in 10 minutes. :censored
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GAH! 20 more minutes...
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I wish I had something to eat for this. I don't know... I feel like a pizza would be perfect for this occasion. Bacon, chicken, pineapple... mmm.
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turned on the computer and it was 11:30, got excited. Then I remembered i'm currently in a different time zone and I'm leaving in 10 minutes. :censored
Here, wanna borrow my flux capacitor?
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It's probably already online but set to private. Someone try to find the the link!
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Man, I'm sick of that Korn song now. :lol
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Man, I'm sick of that Korn song now. :lol
I think Korn are getting quite a view boost at the moment...
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I think that's just a trick to get the Korn video many views!!
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Whenever I refresh the page, I pause it right away. Is no-one doing that? ???
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Can't wait for this :biggrin:
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I do too, but sometimes my computer lags just a bit and I have to hear a little bit more.
The only Korn video I like is the one with Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad in it. That one's worth it for seeing him alone.
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Man, I'm sick of that Korn song now. :lol
You can change the layout so you don't have to keep listening to it. Ha! Just click the !Switch to grid view
" :)
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mute speakers til DT visual confirmed
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I think that's just a trick to get the Korn video many views!!
Although this isn't their main intention, you do have a point. If you look at the video view statistics, it has a much steeper increase today than previous days.
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I have to ask...how many of you are going to work a little late this morning just to hear the new track? I am :) Lol...
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I have to ask...how many of you are going to work a little late this morning just to hear the new track? I am :) Lol...
Now THAT'S what I call determination. You must not hate your job though.
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I have to ask...how many of you are going to work a little late this morning just to hear the new track? I am :) Lol...
I've been at work since 9:30 a.m. (it's almost 11 a.m. now), but I haven't done anything yet. I can't focus. I need to hear this.
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This is one day I'm happy that I'm a teacher... thank you DT for releasing this in the summer!!!
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Being a student in the summer, I have nothing better to do. :) Cept go to the store later to buy turkey bratwursts. Oh my god, turkey bratwursts. @_@
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I have to ask...how many of you are going to work a little late this morning just to hear the new track? I am :) Lol...
I've been at work since 9:30 a.m. (it's almost 11 a.m. now), but I haven't done anything yet. I can't focus. I need to hear this.
i cant even hear the song at work and i am completely distracted hahah
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15 mins :corn
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15 minutes! :yarr
Also, I didn't even know that Korn was still making music. :huh:
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Some would argue that they're not...
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15 mins :corn
Fuck the popcorn I'm masturbating to this.
JOKES
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Hey guys, what if they... forget. :|
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Hey guys, what if they... forget. :|
..Don't even fucking go there
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Hey guys, what if they... forget. :|
Don't even joke about that~!
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Some would argue that they're not...
Some would argue they never were
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Hey guys, what if they... forget. :|
Well I doubt they will. Don't tell us that we got a heart attack yesterday and if you're statement is true we'll have another.
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dammit now I'm getting stupid ads again... I guess I refeshed to many times
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LOL!!! post of the day! :lol :lol :lol
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:corn
*Halo Announcer Voice*
Ten minutes remaining :hat
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Just 7 minutes for me. :)
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6
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Me. Waiting.
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The time is fast approaching! Just 4 minute and 20 seconds!
....That was not on purpose, I just looked at my computer clock.
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This is AWH-ful.
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Off to roll a spliff to accompany my first encounter with post-MP Dream Theater.
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I have to ask...how many of you are going to work a little late this morning just to hear the new track? I am :) Lol...
I've been at work since 9:30 a.m. (it's almost 11 a.m. now), but I haven't done anything yet. I can't focus. I need to hear this.
QFT... I am pretty much useless right now... ignoring my phone
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Pizza: check
Beer: check
Bear: check
I'm set. Let's go.
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Me. Waiting.
(https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater_CoveCityStudios-111.jpg)
Well played.
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I hate waiting and I'm sick of the beginning of that Korn video
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Set the alarm for 9:50 AM almost time to go! :caffeine:
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Is this the link? https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadrunnerRecords
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Off to roll a spliff to accompany my first encounter with post-MP Dream Theater.
Lol XD
I hope it's a minute or two early. There's only 3 left but whatever.
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What are you guys refreshing more often? Youtube or this thread? I do this thread :-)
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Bear: check
A Bear is always needed when listening to new DT for the first time.
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Is it possible to crash a youtube channel, because there's going to be so many people watching this, haha
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what makes this far worse is that god awful Korn song. MAn that song is shit.
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Is this the link? https://www.youtube.com/roadrunnerrecords
Fixed.
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What are you guys refreshing more often? Youtube or this thread? I do this thread :-)
I'd say about 3 refreshes DTF : 1 refresh youtube
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Oh man, HERE WE GO. :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :hefdaddy
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BTW anyone got a link to where OTBOA is going to be uploaded?
wait.....
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:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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It's almost here guys!! :metal
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Oh man, HERE WE GO. :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :hefdaddy
You are EVIL
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There will be more just wait
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Time to self-medicate and listen to this song when it comes out. I'll talk to you guys afterwards! :heart
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I just had a horrifying thought. What if it's a lyrics video?
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I doubt they will be spot on. I AM SO FUCKING EXCITED THO
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One minute remaining!
ffs just got ninja'd like 5 times.
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The waiting could be worse, we could be refreshing a new QR track.
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Is it possible to crash a youtube channel, because there's going to be so many people watching this, haha
If The Spirit Carries On Episode 3 survived this one should be fine... hopefully.
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They are late it's 10 and it's not on
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Lol I actually dreamt about this song last night
It was awesome and had something of a bass solo... or at least a cool bass groove
:lol let's see if it's like my dream!
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ITS UP YES!
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It's here!
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WOOT!!!
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Here we go.
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its up! 8 minutes and 46 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadrunnerRecords#p/u/0/oasnbzEMV08
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THERE IT IS!
ALBUM ARTWORK!
Artwork reminds me of Circus Maximus...
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YES ITS UP!
8:46 as well, looking forward to this.
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Holy shit.. :heart
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I bet they're giving 5 minute leeway for people signing onto their computers right now
or they forgot :facepalm:
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CLEAN GUITARS AS AN INTRO!
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AWESOME!!! :metal :metal :metal
Love the artwork, btw!
-Marc.
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Digging it so far
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Minute 2....So far, its exactly what I was expecting. Those choir sounds :)
It's kinda surreal...
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Waiting anxiously with my woman. Time feels so slow rightnow.
Edit: OH GOD smile VOLCANO
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Unicycle!
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Holy shit this is awesome
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Was that a bass riff?
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OMG listening to it RIGHT now...
I have a HARD ON! :metal
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It's alright
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OMG listening to it RIGHT now...
:metal
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I'm screaming like Victoria at the end of Finally Free.
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Sounds like Town music from Diablo
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Link please? I can't access the page on the iPad.
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When the distorted guitar & keys kicked in it sorta had an I&W vibe. Might just be my imagination though.
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https://www.youtube.com/roadrunnerrecords#p/u/0/oasnbzEMV08
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HOLY SHIT THERE IS BASS TO BE HEARD!
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(https://www.chartstats.com/images/artwork/29011.jpg)
:(
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I can hear JM, in fact he just had a little solo!! This sounds great too. JM is really in the mix
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Mangini sounds incredible BTW! :heart
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Loving the mix a lot more than BC&SL already. Indeed, there is bass! :D
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Yea JM is really coming through the mix well.
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All I get is the gay Korn song...
Nevermind - got it. Woot!
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FUCK!!!!! :omg: :hefdaddy
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Not only does the album art look kinda like Circus Maximus, the trapeze guy looks copied & pasted from their first album. That's not a complaint, just an observation.
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damn it's awesome alright
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Oh wow...... :heart
There is a Myung
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PIANO!!!
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Do you hear the bass? DO YOU HEAR THE BASS?!?!?!?
Finally!! :metal
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Loving everything so far apart from how the chorus comes in. It just... sort of arrives suddenly...
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS IS GREAT
Fucking. The djenty riff with Rudess going pro in the background.
Fuck I just got to clean piano tone.
Jesus fucking deepfried orgasm.
YES JP SOLO
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I like it so far, it's more melodic, not too heavy, a la awake. Which is why I fell in love with DT in the first place.
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5:54 :heart
This is some great music!! Wonderful day!
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Just gotta add - every member sounds FANTASTIC! Great bass sound (especially since it is audible), drums are amazing, the keyboard sounds are just perfect, the guitar...what else could be said about it, and the vocals are just right on!
Oh, PIANO SOLO!!! Awwww yeaaaaaah...
-Marc.
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PIANO SOLO
MANGINI WITH TOMS
SOULFUL
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Do you hear the bass? DO YOU HEAR THE BASS?!?!?!?
Finally!! :metal
YES
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THE SOLO IS ACTUALLY GOOD. OH MY GOD.
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I like it so far, it's more melodic, not too heavy, a la awake. Which is why I fell in love with DT in the first place.
Came to post this.
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I also like the album artwork
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JLB doing backing vocals. Yeah!
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How prog is that!?!?! :) :)
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Around 5:35 I get chills, and the keys part directly following is so beautiful, especially since it isn't typical JR fit as many notes in to a solo as you can like.
I was very much so surprised by how good this song is, given the name of the songs and the album my expectations were subpar for DT. I can tell we will have a lot of cheesy lyrics to sift through, but the music sounds absolutely solid and amazing.
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The drums are mixed very low. We indeed have a new drummer.
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I'M LOVING IT.
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Drums definitely sound diferent to previous albums. I'm digging this.
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James sounds great!
:metal
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Far too much to digest in one listen but it's good.
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Sounds good thus far.
And honestly, if you had no idea about all that has happened the last year, and then heard this, would you really guess that DT had a new drummer? The playing sounds very much like DT.
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THE SOLO IS ACTUALLY GOOD. OH MY GOD.
:hefdaddy
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The drums are mixed very low. We indeed have a new drummer.
This is exactly my thoughts
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I really wonder who wrote the lyrics for this song, they actually don't seem too bad.
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This is great. Only thing I don't like very much is artwork BUT...SONG IS GREAT :metal
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Awake/FII anyone?
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Oh my god the piano solo :heart :heart :heart :heart
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I can finally say this.
Mike Portnoy Who?
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Holy shit, it's awesome!!
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I agree the lyrics weren't bad at all. And I was very surprised to hear octobans in the first minute
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Has there been anything to confirm that IS the actual album artwork?
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Piano interlude AND no solo trade-off?! WOW!
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I really wonder who wrote the lyrics for this song, they actually don't seem too bad.
Sounds like what Petrucci writes.
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The beginning and the ending have a subtle Pull Me Under vibe
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I LOVED it
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They included all of the members in the tags...except Myung. :|
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Sounds great! But I listened in 480p the first time, relistening now in 720p.
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Just finished my first listen...I love the sound of this...I can hear everyone, JMX Bass comes through loud and clean, Mangini's drums are great and he doesn't ride the frickin cymbal the whole song.
...gonna cry now....september for the rest of the ablum...
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Has there been anything to confirm that IS the actual album artwork?
Why wouldn't it be, Nick?
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Has there been anything to confirm that IS the actual album artwork?
No, but it seems like the perfect way to introduce the artwork
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haha!
Only 3 minutes in and it f##king WINS!
F%#K YES! :metal
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Damn, I really love JR's Shamisen/Koto runs.
Alright, I listened to the whole song once now and I really, really like it. Can't wait for the rest of the album.
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"On the Backs of Angels"
(https://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/01/bravo-bravo.gif) (https://www.lowbird.com)
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Everything after the 6:00 mark (piano solo) is fucking gold. Before that, I don't know what to think yet. I do like the little time signature oddities, JM's little solo, and Mangini's toms in the beginning, but the heavy stuff with the keyboards over it...I don't know, I wasn't terribly impressed by it, or a majority of the vocal melodies. I'll be giving it about 5 more listens during lunch (lolnineminutesingles) and I'll have a better opinion on it.
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Wow, I can't believe how much they pulled this off. They have proven themselves on this opener... I have no doubt they will for the entire release.
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:lol
Also, I liked it alright. I think they're taking it in a good direction overall with the whole melodic thing, but the melodies were pretty forgettable. However, I'm still excited now. I'm also hoping for more piano work from Jordan!
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That was absolutely glorious, so much more reminiscent of old DT, wow wow wow. The solo was really good, you could hear the bass, and it was incredibly proggy, especially for a first "single."
September can't come any quicker.
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Love it! Drums are mixed low though...
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ladies and gentalman and the world... MIKE MANGINI!!!
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AUDIBLE BASS, MOTHERFUCKERS
Also I Mangini'd during the piano solo. Didn't see that coming.
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Hype for the new album has just gone up a lot.
Song was great.
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It's like Six Degrees, Images and Elements Of Persuasion. This is in my opinion, INCREDIBLE. Honestly, I love Constant Motion and A Rite of Passage. But this is on another level. As far as the lyrics, I dig them and I'm betting on either James or Petrucci.
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This was amazing. 10 minutes time off, then replay
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And finished.
What can I say? Way better than I expected. It's neither a poppy single nor a ballsy album opener. It's definitely more melodic than anything from BC&SL or SC, and easily reminds me of the pre-ToT days. I love how the song mixes some beautiful melodic keys & vox with that occasional djent-ish riff. It's heavy, but not too heavy. Basically how DT were back in the day. And the drums are just awesome. They're not too loud or too 'everywhere' if you get what I mean. They're just there, and they sound awesome. Then there's the fact that the bass is quite easily audible.
So if this is what they're showing us first up, I can't wait to hear what the rest of the album is going to have! :metal
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I love this song, bitches.
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Has there been anything to confirm that IS the actual album artwork?
Why wouldn't it be, Nick?
Because the final artwork might not even be done yet. I'm simply saying people shouldn't get their hopes up or down based on what we don't even know is the actual cover.
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James sounds wonderful, and he's on the backing vocals at last.
JP and JR are amazing as usual.
JM is kicking major asses and is actually audible.
MM's parts are so progressive and incredible.
I LOVE THIS SONG!%@#%#
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Don't the drums seem a tad quiet though? I mean I hear them but I don't know..
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Don't the drums seem a tad quiet though? I mean I hear them but I don't know..
Portnoy was always mixed loud. Maybe that's why.
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I'd give it a 5/10 as a first impression. JP's solo sounds like I've heard it note for note before...
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This is the best Dream Theater song in... years. Fucking love it!
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So much better than A Rite of Passage!!
I got serious chills and goosebumps during the intro...
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I just love how vintage DT it sounds, yet they didn't rip themselves off at all.
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Sorry to bother anyone but could anyone post a direct link to the video itself and not the roadrunner youtube channel? Can't load the vid on their channel. Thanks in advance :)
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Ahhh! Love the song and the mix and Mangini and the artwork. Can't wait until september 13th!
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I love the mixing, I love the song presence. Overall very pleased.
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The JR arpeggios are so fucking awesome!
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Good... I do not not ...
Song is not so much masterpiece
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To the people saying the drums sound quiet - wait until the album comes out. The Youtube compression is bad for drum sounds.
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Reminded me of Awake in terms of not necessarily getting it the first listen (Which is good), with FII production values, though more modern of course, almost like most of SDoIT. I think this album as a whole will have its own awesome sound!!!
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Sorry to bother anyone but could anyone post a direct link to the video itself and not the roadrunner youtube channel? Can't load the vid on their channel. Thanks in advance :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08&feature=channel_video_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08&feature=channel_video_title)
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Has there been anything to confirm that IS the actual album artwork?
Why wouldn't it be, Nick?
Because the final artwork might not even be done yet. I'm simply saying people shouldn't get their hopes up or down based on what we don't even know is the actual cover.
Who cares right now? While everyone is listening to and discussing the new DT song we have all just heard, you are taking the time now to ask if it is really the actual album cover? Good grief, man.
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I love the reverb on the snare. MP's drums always sounded me like very dry.
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Catchy chorus :tup
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Sorry to bother anyone but could anyone post a direct link to the video itself and not the roadrunner youtube channel? Can't load the vid on their channel. Thanks in advance :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08&feature=channel_video_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08&feature=channel_video_title)
Thanks man :tup
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Far too much to digest in one listen but it's good.
Yup, and with that I done listening until the album comes out.
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Jordan said it was in the key of E, but it's in E minor
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The part just after 6:47 reminds me of I&W. So awesome!
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Who wrote the lyrics?
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I'll get back to you with my opinions after I've listened a little more.
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Song is incredible and I bet there are better songs on album ;)
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Everyone... the drums are mixed just fine. Two things to remember:
1. Portnoy was mixed too loudly.
2. Youtube only streams 2.1 audio!
I think it sounds great.
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I think JP
Anyways, can't wait for an iTunes release so I can play it in my car
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Heard it twice now. This album will surely be filled with experimentation and stunning creativity! Also, like James said, I really do think it sounds like Images & Words and Scenes.
Mix is amazing! Even in YT, it sounds extraordinary.
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Lyrics that are like actually likeable!??! whats going on here!?!?! but seriously this is pretty cool
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Oh god the keyboard parts. They're incredible. :metal
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pardon my french but,
fuck yes
sounded like LTE Petrucci
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If this is the worst song on the album, it could be one of DT's best.
If this is like middle of the road quality relative to the album, we'll still be very fine.
If this is the best song, eh, that's not a great sign.
Overall, I like the song quite a bit, but I don't want to post a long ReaPsTA ramble at the moment. I did have a lump in my throat though when that choir patch at the beginning came in.
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This album is going to be so epic. Just the first listen and chills are brittling my bones!
Lovin Mangini's sound. :metal
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For some reason, I'm reminded of "Learning to Live". I think this could have been a Myung song, guys.
This is what I'm hearing. Feel free to correct and add.
Standing on the backs of angels
Destined to create
Mounting the attack
While heroes carry the weight
We spiral toward disaster
Survival fading faster
Riding out the wave
Content to feeding the machine
Bleeding us to death
The new American dream
You're blinded by your hunger
Beware, your days are numbered
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless are the righteous
Burning me, lead me like a lamb to the slaughter
Burning lines drawn in between
What is right and what is wrong
Victims of the radar
String us along
We're onto your agenda
The dead are wrong to nowhere
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless are the righteous
Burning me, lead me like a lamb to the slaughter
[solo]
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless are the righteous
Burning me, lead me like a lamb to the slaughter
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i can hear JMX!!!
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During the "We're onto your agenda" part, is that JP on backing vox?
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If this is the worst song on the album, it could be one of DT's best.
If this is like middle of the road quality relative to the album, we'll still be very fine.
If this is the best song, eh, that's not a great sign.
Overall, I like the song quite a bit, but I don't want to post a long ReaPsTA ramble at the moment. I did have a lump in my throat though when that choir patch at the beginning came in.
agree!
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On the Backs of Anges - Track 01
Standing on the Backs of Angels
Destined to create
Mounting the attack
While heroes carry the weight
We spiral towards disaster
Survival fading faster
Riding off the wave
Content to feeding the machine
Leading us to the death
The new American Dream
You're blinded by your hunger
Beware, your days are numbered
[Chorus]
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Blurring lines drawing in between
What is right and what is wrong
Victims on the radar
Straining us alone
We're on to your agenda
The dead and off to nowhere
[Chorus]
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
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1. Portnoy was mixed too loudly.
:rollin
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Oh god the keyboard parts. They're incredible. :metal
I really like the vibe of Rudess's keyboards on this song. It feels very much like an expression of his personality while still being in its place musically.
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FOR THE RECORD:
Im wondering whether that's the plane's tail, and not a wing. Theperspective seems kinda off if it's a wing.
Maybe i'm off...
So it is the tail.....
The artwork...meh
The song... gold.
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Why is Petrucci solo so goddamn short?
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Jordan's solo is the best part. :laugh:
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Emindead - Thank you for the lyrics
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On the Backs of Anges - Track 01
Standing on the Backs of Angels
Destined to create
Mounting the attack
While heroes carry the weight
We spiral towards disaster
Survival fading faster
Riding off the wave
Content to feeding the machine
Leading us to the death
The new American Dream
You're blinded by your hunger
Beware, your days are numbered
[Chorus]
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Blurring lines drawing in between
What is right and what is wrong
Victims on the radar
Straining us alone
We're on to your agenda
The dead and off to nowhere
[Chorus]
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Tears fall from the shameless
Shelter me, guide me to the edge of the water
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
Selfless of the righteous
Burning me, lead me like the lamb to the slaughter
I think that's "Your days are numbered." I made a lyrics thread... looks like where I went wrong is where you went right. :)
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This is the best work by JR since SDoIT!
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first spin..i'm half way trhough....
finallyt piano!!
i'm not overwhelmed with joy yet.. i think i have to listen to it another 35235 times today have opion....
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The song is just great. That's all I'll say before I give it 10 more consecutive listens. :metal
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I love it!!!... Love Mangini's drumsound, piano solo, great riffing, great guitar solo, James is spot on and JM... welcome back.
Reminds of the Awake area.
And yeah, I think this is the actual cover art. Looking at the style it's Hugh Syme again.
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Song good, artwork has a clown on it... perfect! :metal :lol
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Fuck man. The outro is soooo good. When they started the outro riff i kinda thought it was going to be a shitty Raw Dog-fade out. But when the insane bombastic string part started, i fucking came! I love how it ends kind of quick, and doesn't drag on for ages. This song is really good :metal
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The song is just great. That's all I'll say before I give it 10 more consecutive listens. :metal
This
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Why is Petrucci solo so goddamn short?
Maybe in reaction to ANTR solo section being so long
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This feels really really low-key, I was expecting something soaring though :/
It didn't really have much momentum going either, just sort of moseyed around until the last chorus and finished. I hope the rest of the album is a bit more fun, that is the main reason why I listen to DT these days. It is only the first song on a whole album though, so we shall see.
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Emindead - Thank you for the lyrics
No problem. Aniland ninja'd me, but I think that between us we have the correct lyrics :P Sometimes it's hard to decipher JLB's enunciation :lol
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The song is just great. That's all I'll say before I give it 10 more consecutive listens. :metal
This
Are your nipples exploding with delight? :neverusethis:
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Fucking awesome song.
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The song i amazing! It is everything i hoped it would be. Finally some piano from Jordan also :)
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It must be good if it's getting praise on 5/8.
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The song is just great. That's all I'll say before I give it 10 more consecutive listens. :metal
This
Are your nipples exploding with delight? :neverusethis:
As a matter of fact they are. :biggrin:
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I hope MP doesn't pull of a Mustaine and start saying "I WROTE THAT RIFF! I WROTE THAT RIFF TOO!"
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The song is just great. That's all I'll say before I give it 10 more consecutive listens. :metal
This
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Not sure on this one yet. Musically I'm liking it, don't like the verse melody, it sounds like The Great Debate which is one of my least favorite songs. Don't know, the vocals just seem very up front and safe sounding, not much emotion in them.
Drum mix reminds of Six Degrees. If you didn't know Mike left you would have no idea someone else is playing on this.
Putting it on the iPod now, need repeated listens.
Chris
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See what happens when Portnoy got out of the picture? It becomes tasteful.
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2 listens through and 2 words : F*cking amazing :hefdaddy
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This song rocks pretty hard.
Mangini sounds a bit subdued though. His cymbals are incredibly low, and that's one of the first things I noticed. He also didn't do anything particularly memorable, at least in this song, the drums just sound like they fit but not mindblowing.
The JP solos were great, especially that bit he repeats a few times which reminded me of Ayreon for some reason. JM is full on in this one, all the way across the bass. JR did some awesome stuff in this, and we can actually hear him unlike in BCSL. James was good as usual, but didn't do anything incredibly mindblowing, and the lyrics are just ok.
It's a good song to start with.
The cover clearly references the Supertramp cover that was posted before, and I think it's meant to say "look, they cut the line but the clown kept going!", i.e. something horrible happened but it wasn't the end of the world.
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Listen to how MM's splash plays in unison with JR @ 2:09 ->
Awesome...
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It must be good if it's getting praise on 5/8.
And mikeportnoy.com :lol
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The opening sounds a bit like the end of Black Clouds. JUST a bit, with some reverb and wah wah and all that.
And then it goes all SFAM for a bit.
Oh man, THIS SONG. Third listening, here I go!
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If this song is the benchmark for what's to come... we may actually have one of DT's finest albums.
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So good to hear a piano solo!!!
I feel like every member in the band is shining in this song.
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See what happens when Portnoy got out of the picture? It becomes tasteful.
Is that really necessary?
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On first listen, I liked it very much. Not blown away by it but it's got me excited about the new album.
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HOLY SHIT!!!!!! ....Listening to it first time... extremely impressed with about every aspect. If the rest of the album is on par with this, we're going to get a masterpiece. Mangini kicks ass!! JMX can be heard!! James sounds great! JP is well.... vintage JP! Jordan...this song beats anything in the last 3 albums.
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Listening to this for the first time now, it's actually better then I thought it would be, so that's a good sign.
With that said, I'll probably not listen much more before the album comes out, don't want to ruin the experience. ;)
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this is the first DT track since before FII that didn't hurt my ears with the mix.... Ding Dong the Portnoy drums are gone!
Fantastic. I so cannot wait for this to come out. Even at youtube compression, the whole track just breathes and sounds awesome.
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See what happens when Portnoy got out of the picture? It becomes tasteful.
Is that really necessary?
It's not, and further comments along those lines will result in action being taken.
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2 listens in. It's very impressive, unlike anything else before but with elements of everything in there. The main thing for me is the structure. It doesn't seem so drum driven to me. There are no really forced tempo changes and most of the sections link well together. There's no trade-off solo too. All of this is for the better of course and was maybe to be expected, given that MP was the arranger and chief architect in that department and that it was written when the band had no drummer. The section beginning at 6:48 is INSANE. I could go on but i'm going to stop blurting.
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The song has seriously grown on me during the first three listens!
The part around 3:00 for example... it's divine! DIVINE I SAY!!
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Can't wait to get home to listen to this.
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Am I the only one that finds this somewhat bland? Not saying it won't eventually grow on me, but it seems kinda forgettable, especially the vocal melodies.
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For the record we've recently broken the forum record for most users online... looks like the DT fanbase is staying with DT pretty damned well.
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Yaay a new record :caffeine:
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Just dropping by to say these lyrics are much better than any lyrics from the last album.
Of Tuscany.
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Am I the only one that finds this somewhat bland? Not saying it won't eventually grow on me, but it seems kinda forgettable, especially the vocal melodies.
I can agree, but I don't mind it. I called it more mellow, but not sure what the right semantics may be.
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It's not, and further comments along those lines will result in action being taken.
Ehhhmm okay, then I'm sorry. Don't see what's wrong in stating that the new Dream Theater without Portnoy is more tasteful to listen too though.
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First listen: Pretty good, I hope it grows.
Second listen: Whoa, it's growing.
Third listen: There are like 529 things to be excited about in this song
I have no idea how awesome it will be by the end of the day. I might die.
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Am I the only one that finds this somewhat bland? Not saying it won't eventually grow on me, but it seems kinda forgettable, especially the vocal melodies.
I agree with you about the vocals. Not bad, but nothing amazing in my mind. But I love every other element of the song to pieces.
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Definitely has more of a classic sound to it, more similar to Scenes and Images than the recent albums, which I'm TOTALLY in favor of. Mangini seems to not really make himself noticed, which is also probably a good thing. Its not the best song in the world, but I think I may actually like this DT album. And its been a long time since I've said that!
And also, totally agree with Darklord
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It's stunning as to how much this reminds me of I&W and SFAM.
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5th time listening and it's grown on me. I love it. Didn't have a "hahahaa wtffffff DT is dead" moment like I did with MP's vocals in ANTR, so that's good at least.
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I like the new song! But I hope some of the songs on the album let JLB shine more. The drums are noticeable lower in the mix, but they're great and they sound very DT and what I mean by that is that if I wasn't aware of all that's happened I would think this was still MP in the band.
I just hope that isn't the official artwork for the album!
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Has anyone posted this thread to reddit.com/r/music?
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It's not, and further comments along those lines will result in action being taken.
Ehhhmm okay, then I'm sorry. Don't see what's wrong in stating that the new Dream Theater without Portnoy is more tasteful to listen too though.
Because it's not a fact, it's your opinion, and in the course of improperly expressing your opinion you took a disrespectful shot at a former band member. Read the rules and post accordingly.
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It's almost over 900!
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Has anyone posted this thread to reddit.com/r/music?
:omg: It keeps going higher and higher!
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The intro is executed incredibly well. I feel as though the rest of the song is how I wished the Count of Tuscany had gone after listening to it's intro.
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It's almost over 900!
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Has anyone posted this thread to reddit.com/r/music?
I don't think Reddit would like that very much. They're a picky sort.
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It's almost over 900!
Most Online Today: 886. Most Online Ever: 886 (Today at 10:49:16 AM)
Has anyone posted this thread to reddit.com/r/music?
I don't think Reddit would like that very much. They're a picky sort.
Upvote this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/iccjt/new_dream_theater_track_released_from_the_new/
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First listen: Pretty good, I hope it grows.
Second listen: Whoa, it's growing.
Third listen: There are like 529 things to be excited about in this song
I have no idea how awesome it will be by the end of the day. I might die.
First time ever when I agree with Aniland! :)
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Nightmare To Remember was a way better opener.
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Over 900!!!!!
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I hope the vocals aren't like that on the entire album. I don't know, they sound flat on the song.
The song though is awesome. You can definately hear that something changed in the DT world lately.
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Okay, this song rocks.
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Nightmare To Remember was a way better opener.
luckily, everyone survived.
the selfless.
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Nightmare To Remember was a way better opener.
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hahaha you must be kidding aren'tchoo?
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I hope the vocals aren't like that on the entire album. I don't know, they sound flat on the song.
Agreed, if there's one thing that I though was gonna change with MP gone is JLB vocals. I hope his range is not as underused as it's been on the last 2 albums.
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Ok, i just listened it for the fifth time... and it's still amazing. I love the clean guitar in the beggining, the part when the song goes heavy after the intro, the catchy chorus, the Petrucci solo and piano part. I love how JM's bass is audible again, and I was blown away by the drums.
Really great song. I can't wait till the full album is released.
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Absolutely loving this song. After about 4 listens through, this seems like the natural progression from albums like Images, Awake, Scenes...It doesn't sound like it should have been on those albums, but it sounds like the natural progression. It trumps anything from Train of thought onwards...and I'm a fan of those albums!
This is just fantastic. The part around 3:30...Mangini's cymbal work?...holy shit. I'm not reading a lot of love for the Petrucci intro which I think is fantastic. The song is totally cohesive and has the elements that I believed made DT great on albums like Images and Scenes....which was a cohesive song that had twists and turns rhythmically and melodically with incredible playing and singing. The vocal harmonies, while simple, are gorgeous. I think all 5 guys have outdone themselves in their individual roles and as a whole I think it's fantastic.
Bring on the rest of the album!
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I love it. If this is the single of ADTOE we are going to spend a very happy September, this year! :metal
Anyway, on my italian forum user are quite displeased with the song. One of them even said that OtBoA disgusted him so much that he is probably done with DT. Cheers. :D
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Great song, that grows a lot after the 1st listen...
Many hidden things to be discovered..
As concers MM drumming...well...it's amazing.
Only non-drumming experts that tend to judge only on decibels or bpm can say that...
Listen for example @ 2.10 or 8.10...polirythmic figures over odd times...amazing...something not really in MP dictionary...
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:hefdaddy OMG I'm really surprised! This is a very very good song. Someone said something like this somewhere above and I agree. "this is the DT that i fell in love with". The chorus remembers me of the kind of melodies that James sang on 'Static Impulse'.
It's not easy to acknowledge this, but it seems that they are doing much better without Portnoy sitting in the driver's seat.
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bonham - exactly my initial thought.
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That "album cover" is clearly a reference to "the backs of angels". That's probably not the album artwork, but more like a single artwork like AROP, Forsaken, etc.
clown is fucking clowney
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The new song is great, easily better than any single they've ever had with the exception of Pull Me Under. If this is the "single" count me excited.
Ehhhmm okay, then I'm sorry. Don't see what's wrong in stating that the new Dream Theater without Portnoy is more tasteful to listen too though.
Neither do I. This just something so "natural" about this song that hasn't been there on the past couple releases. You can tell there was no "creative director" guiding anyone's (everyone's) hand.
This song is really all over the place, with each member just off in the own world but still together. It reminds me of Images and Words. Whereas Mike Portnoy liked to reign everyone in as creative director, here everyone sounds really free to do their own thing, especially Jordan and Myung. I don't see a song this good and this "Dream Theater" coming out with Mike in his DT role.
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First impression:
Instrumentally very cool, finally some bass, very nice piano solo. :metal
Vocal melodies are not that interesting though, the chorus is pretty forgettable and so far I don't really like the sound of the drums (could be because of youtube compression though).
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First impressions, not bad at all. Mangini sounds awesome.
Very very proggy to me with a good amount of heavy.
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Just logging to increase the user total amount today!! I have not listened to the whole song yet, cause I'm at work and I'm pressing play some seconds, then stop, then play some seconds again :-[ :-[ :-[ because my boss will listen my speakers on and :police: :police:
Can't wait to hear the song in one hour!!
Anyway, I think it sounds a lot like I&W-Awake-SFAM. It is really classic DT.
:hefdaddy
PS. And yes, the clown seems a lot like the one in the 1st chapter album cover by CM.
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Awesome track. I'm not gonna be picky about certain things, if this is what post-MP DT sounds like, I'm still in.
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LOL Italians... don't worry, I'm Italian so I can say it.
One thing that I do hope... the vocal melody isn't particularly catchy, which is fine because it fits this song, but I REALLY hope that LaBrie has some super melodic melodies.
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YES(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/SteveAudrey/Cattura.png)
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WE CAN FINALLY FUCKING HEAR MYUNG
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Here was my initial one-listen take on the tune:
Honestly, I like it. I don't "love" it, but I like it much better on first listen than any of their last couple of records on first listen. The song "breathes," the notes are not going a million miles an hour, and I like the keyboard style and tone on the intro.
The only thing I would argue is that given the simplicity (for DT) of the song, it didn't have to be 8 minutes. It could have been high fives, even six minutes. Some refinement might have taken this from "like" to "love" for me quickly.
That said, the song absolutely is a nice change of pace for DT. James is singing a lot more controlled, and as ShadowWalker and I discussed off the board, it's not very dynamic. That's strange, but it fits the tune. It would have fit better if they hacked off 90 seconds though.
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honestly, the break in the rope makes up for the cheesiness of the cover. How frightening it would be to be that unicyclist!
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Ok, now it's 932 users!! Breaking all records!
Anyway, after the third run through the song I can wholeheartedly say I fucking love it :)
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honestly, the break in the rope makes up for the cheesiness of the cover. How frightening it would be to be that unicyclist!
God yes you're right :omg:
OH and, loving the positive vibes towards DT right now. This is probably the most positive vibes I've seen towards DT probably since...Score? And that was a live album :lol
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Okay, this song rocks.
I was hoping you'd finally enjoy something from DT this time around :metal
Song continues to grow with each listen, I can't believe how good of a first "single" this is. Huge hopes for the album, huge.
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this sounds incredibly fun to play on guitar
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Reminded me of the song Octavarium. . . which is a good thing! Love how proggy it sounds.
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After one hour of digestion, this song could've had a better chorus.
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Loving the LTE vibe during certain parts. And MM is killing it on the drums, though the sound quality is due to the fact that IT IS A YOUTUBE VIDEO
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anyone catch the Rocket toms at the start of the song... so good.. come on September!
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The chorus could have been bigger, but I think we'll have plenty of chances for that. :) If this song is indeed LaBrie written, remember: he typically doesn't have that big of choruses in his songs. I think that even the biggest choruses on Static Impulse were written by the other contributors.
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And I'm thinking now in the whole amount of users bösk has banned and are trying to log :police: :( :facepalm:
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After 1 listen: Shattered my fairly low expectations. Really, really good song and I love Rudess' presence throughout. I must be the only one who doesn't hear JMX though. :lol Maybe it's the earphones.
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also samplewiz or morphwiz at the beginning
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fuck yeah
This sounds like a progression from 6DoIT, sure, but it also fits into the modern SC/BCSL era; there's a audible recurrent structure, and a shitload of heaviness, but then you blend in the obvious creative input from everyone in the band, the tasteful instrumentals (I squealed when the piano came in), and sheer progginess. Plus a Myung bass break.
:tup
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Interesting. In some respects it actually reminds me more of their contemporaries, i.e. Circus Maximus.
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I love it. If this is the single of ADTOE we are going to spend a very happy September, this year! :metal
Anyway, on my italian forum user are quite displeased with the song. One of them even said that OtBoA disgusted him so much that he is probably done with DT. Cheers. :D
Caro mio, ormai gli italiani si lamentano di tutto...e siamo dove siamo.
Non ti curar di lor ma ascolta e godi! :)
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It reminds me of "Going for the One" yes. It sounds newer and sleaker, but still very "classic" and very good, if not the best.
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Just realised what the first prechorus reminds me of. A fortune in lies.
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964! We might as well reach the Thousand today!
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Reminds me of "Stargazers" by Avantasia, just a bit.
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Reminds me of "Stargazers" by Avantasia, just a bit.
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One thing a lot of people have been saying is that this reminds them of SFam/6DOIT. Let me throw out this angle.
Train of Thought was a huge and somewhat random turn for the band's sound. All the sudden this super heavy super cold super harsh metal was going in there. And then in Octavarium they made what in many ways is a straight up pop-DT album (excepting the title track). Then SC and BCSL were kind of a combination of those two styles.
With this song, it feels like DT wound back the clock to 2003 and made the more natural follow up to their Six Degrees sound. I'm not saying it doesn't reflect how they've progressed since then. The vocals are very Static Impulse, the keyboards are a combination of every gadget Rudess has been recently playing with, Myung's bass tone still sounds like his more recent tones, etc. etc. But at least on this song it seems like DT has made another major change back in their sound, even if the quantitative measurements of that change are a bit subtle.
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Heard some Pull Me Under in there, but first impression:
:tup :tup
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All these guests need to sign up!
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Haven't posted on here in years :O.
Have to say that song was killer. Loving Mike's contribution, he's quieter in the mix but still offers enough to the song that he doesn't get totally overlooked. James is solid as always. Myung is actually audible(!) and his bassline seems more... interesting than some of his other basslines in recent times, or maybe that's a direct result of him being more audible. Mr. Bear is still pumping out the awesome riffs, I was surprised that his solo was so short but it makes a change I guess. Finally Jordan's up to his usual antics, I think he impressed me the most personally.
Quite looking forward to this album now.
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All these guests need to sign up!
Indeed. DO IT, it's so awful fun in here!
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James sounds so cleannnnn ;D
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Interesting. In some respects it actually reminds me more of their contemporaries, i.e. Circus Maximus.
I was thinking the same thing. I stopped myself before posting, "This sounds just like Circus Maximus," because of how weird that fucking sounds.
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Do you think they will they make a shorter "radio" edit of this as they did with ARoP?
I usually don't like those, because I think the good parts tend to be cut away...
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Reminds me of "Stargazers" by Avantasia, just a bit.
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The pre-chorus, I mean. :) Not the rest of the song. That part that Kiske sings that rises.
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I'm really rather impressed. Seems the new dynamic in the band is working out well so far for this album.
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lolAvantasia
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Do you think they will they make a shorter "radio" edit of this as they did with ARoP?
I usually don't like those, because I think the good parts tend to be cut away...
I imagine an intro where that choir comes in much sooner, and maybe a cutting of the classical piano and one of the chorus reprises. I would rather they not cut anything, but this is an 8+ minute song. :)
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reply after reply after reply
MAKE IT STOP
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One thing a lot of people have been saying is that this reminds them of SFam/6DOIT. Let me throw out this angle.
Train of Thought was a huge and somewhat random turn for the band's sound. All the sudden this super heavy super cold super harsh metal was going in there. And then in Octavarium they made what in many ways is a straight up pop-DT album (excepting the title track). Then SC and BCSL were kind of a combination of those two styles.
With this song, it feels like DT wound back the clock to 2003 and made the more natural follow up to their Six Degrees sound. I'm not saying it doesn't reflect how they've progressed since then. The vocals are very Static Impulse, the keyboards are a combination of every gadget Rudess has been recently playing with, Myung's bass tone still sounds like his more recent tones, etc. etc. But at least on this song it seems like DT has made another major change back in their sound, even if the quantitative measurements of that change are a bit subtle.
Good post. I don't hear THAT much SFAM in it, but certainly elements that would not seem out of place in SDOIT. Could definitely have been the follow-up to that album.
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All these guests need to sign up!
Indeed. DO IT, it's so awful fun in here!
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOSMO!!!!
How are you doing man? Nice to see you again. What do you think about the song? I THINK IT FUCKING RULES! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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All these guests need to sign up!
Indeed. DO IT, it's so awful fun in here!
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOSMO!!!!
How are you doing man? Nice to see you again. What do you think about the song? I THINK IT FUCKING RULES! :metal :metal :metal :metal
IT'S GOOD MAN! It's a grower.
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Does James have some sort of vocal effect going on?
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Anyway, don't you think people it is strange for a band like DT to release a single almost 3 months before the release of the album? Man, the song will be burned in that time! too much time to hear just one song. I think I'll listen 5 or 100 times and will be enough till the release.
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Does James have some sort of vocal effect going on?
Harmony, more than anything.
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Now, I really really want to hear "Build Me Up, Break Me Down".
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Wow... 6th listen, it's a really solid tune. Love the Cymbal work @ 3:28, the Keys @ 2:28ish are very SFAM'ish
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Does James have some sort of vocal effect going on?
I don't think so, but he did his own backing an octave lower from the sound of it. It could be Petrucci doing backing too, but usually when Petrucci and/or Mike did backing they had third or fifth harmonies instead of octaved harmonies.
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Am I the only one who for some reason is 20 times more interested in The Shaman's Trance now? :lol
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Wonderful song, 474763643 times better than AROP, everybody shines, JMX is audible, mix is awesome. The vocal melodies are a bit forgettable but the music is so GOOD!!!
And for the first time since 8VM I feel that DT is a PROG metal band once again. Heck, they might even be PROGRESSIVE metal once again.
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Reminds me of "Stargazers" by Avantasia, just a bit.
yeah someone else gets that too, great albums!
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Who else hears some screaming thingy at the very end lol?
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Who else hears some screaming thingy at the very end lol?
The last few notes sound almost identical too the last few notes of Sacrificed Sons to me
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Who else hears some screaming thingy at the very end lol?
Maybe the guy fell. :-\
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God damnnnn this song is awesome. I'm on like my fifth listen :metal :metal
JLB's vox sound like they are doubled or stereo or something. Very similar to Static Impulse.
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Has no one mentioned the obvious light fuse and get away feel this song has in the verse? I love it!
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Who else hears some screaming thingy at the very end lol?
Maybe the guy fell. :-\
I lol'd
Patiently waiting for lunch hour at work so I can listen to this bad boy. The collective reactions of all of you have set my expectations quite high.
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DAE think Roadrunner will offer this song as a free official download? I hope so.
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I loved that outro Scarred-like! And way better than CM or RoP as a single song!
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DAE think Roadrunner will offer this song as a free official download? I hope so.
Why do you need RR to have the song on mp3?
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How else do you get it. I want it now! In my car!!
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I want it for my mp3 player.
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Does anyone else think the section at around 6:50 is a huge LTE feel?! :metal
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I do wonder when it will officially be released on iTunes. A record company not wanting to make money? Unheard of!
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I love the music and think the song is great , it'd be nice if the chorus wasa bit more uplifting if that's the correct word, but I think JR shines in this song. I love his new sounds.
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A decent offering. I really liked it. I heard a couple of little solo bits that reminded me of old JP. Very cool.
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Keeps climbing.
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The JP solos were great, especially that bit he repeats a few times which reminded me of Ayreon for some reason. JM is full on in this one, all the way across the bass. JR did some awesome stuff in this, and we can actually hear him unlike in BCSL. James was good as usual, but didn't do anything incredibly mindblowing, and the lyrics are just ok.
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That little beginning at 5:10 is very Ayreonish ideed.. Did catch it on the first listen, but I cant avoid hearing it now.. Not complaning btw =) Song is good!
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I'm liking more with each listen.
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I wish the 6:48 part was twice as long...
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old school prog that doesn't wank too much. i can finally admit to liking dream theater again.
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Very 6DOIT and I love that all the instruments have room to breath. F yea to hearing Myung and I am happy to hear melody. I need to listen about 10 more times.
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Coincidence?
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I've been listening to this on my puters 5.1..which aren't bad. Now I ran to the store and listened to ANTR on my rockin truck stereo. I'm sorry but OTBoA is MUCH better to me, and I LOVE ANTR!!!!
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
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Hey guys... WHAT IF THIS IS JUST THE SINGLE EDIT AND IT'S ACTUALLY LONGER
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Hey guys... WHAT IF THIS IS JUST THE SINGLE EDIT AND IT'S ACTUALLY LONGER
Coming in at over 8 mins, I doubt it...but... it would be cool if that were the case :metal
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it's a good song. I like the fact that there isn't an out of place instrumental section in the middle, the song actually flows really well. The vocal melodies do sound similar to a lot of their other songs, but I can live with it.
7/10.
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Listening to light fuse and get away again. Yep i was right. Definite throwback.
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
I agree about the vocals to an extent, and also about the lyrics to an extent, but I think these weak elements are drowning in the sea of awesome that is the rest of the song.
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AUDIBLE BASS, MOTHERFUCKERS
Also I Mangini'd during the piano solo. Didn't see that coming.
hahhaha first thing i thought of. holy shit dream theater has a basist?
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Hey guys... WHAT IF THIS IS JUST THE SINGLE EDIT AND IT'S ACTUALLY LONGER
I think its possible. Listen to the song at 5:22, it sounds like there could be more there.
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Does anyone else think the section at around 6:50 is a huge LTE feel?! :metal
Yeah there are quite a few instrumental parts of this song that remind me a lot of LTE, I was going to say something but I wasn't sure if I imagined it :lol I also feel like parts of the instrumentals remind me of Another Won or some of the Majesty era songs, which is great ;D
The vocals didn't do anything for me the first listen through, there didn't seem to be a "hook" or a catchy chorus or anything, which is not necessarily a bad thing. The vocal melodies reminded me of Home or a few other SFAM melodies which I enjoyed, but they haven't grabbed me yet. The vocals will probably have to grow on me as they always do with James.
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Reminds me of "Stargazers" by Avantasia, just a bit.
yeah someone else gets that too, great albums!
+1 :metal
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Like I said, LaBrie-written songs usually don't have as strong of vocal melodies (ironically enough). "Prophets of War", "Anna Lee"... okay, "One Last Time" had a pretty giant and bitchin one, but it was more of a reprisal of the already existing melody that Overture 1928 introduced.
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In all honesty... I enjoy Lames voice better when he sings melodies like this compared to "Rangier" stuff (is that a word??...LOL)
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So, I just listened to the song for the second time. While it has some interesting stuff, I think it's still following the lines of the last few albums and I was hoping for a bigger change. For the production the only thing I'd change is having the cymbals a little louder. I hope the rest of the songs do not follow the same path as this one.
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Who else hears some screaming thingy at the very end lol?
It's a keyboard filter slowly opening (escalating upwards)
Hey guys... WHAT IF THIS IS JUST THE SINGLE EDIT AND IT'S ACTUALLY LONGER
The entire arc of the song feels present, so I doubt it had more to say. Also, why edit something to over 8 mins, which is still too long for radio play?
A few LTE inspired nuggets - some of Jordan's patches and the pre-chorus riff is very Universal Mind. DT also employs the same song structure used in Pull me Under, so I wonder if they were trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
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So, I just listened to the song for the second time. While it has some interesting stuff, I think it's still following the lines of the last few albums and I was hoping for a bigger change. For the production the only thing I'd change is having the cymbals a little louder. I hope the rest of the songs do not follow the same path as this one.
Keep in mind, this is a crappy youtube mix. HOPEFULLY in the proper format it will sound better :)
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So I ran home over lunch so I could listen to the song. My first impressions were very positive. I think it had some of that old DT feeling while still meshing with their more modern sound. Definitely gets me excited to hear the rest of the album.
My constuctive criticism of the song: I thought it was a tad long. I think it would have been better at 6-7 minutes rather than almost 9. It just dragged a bit in the middle. As much as I love Jordan (that piano solo!!!), I think that a lot of the time he just doodles too much. Instead of plinking away over a guitar riff, how about just laying down some cool organ or synth sounds? There were a couple of spots I thought would have been better served in that way.
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Hey guys... WHAT IF THIS IS JUST THE SINGLE EDIT AND IT'S ACTUALLY LONGER
It sounds really good, with great flow to be just an edit.
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Like I said, LaBrie-written songs usually don't have as strong of vocal melodies (ironically enough). "Prophets of War", "Anna Lee"... okay, "One Last Time" had a pretty giant and bitchin one, but it was more of a reprisal of the already existing melody that Overture 1928 introduced.
Caught in a Web?
Statued?
Undecided?
Slightly Out of Reach?
These are all evidence of strong vocal melodies from his lyrics.
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I can't get enough of this song. :hefdaddy I really hope that the rest of ADTOE is as good, or even better, as OTBOA. :metal
Looking forward to September 13th. :biggrin:
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Our prayers have been answered...."We spiral toward disaster, survival fading fast"...
Now this is what I'm talking about, real strong opener, good bass, and piano.
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Very cool song, but I am not too sure about the mix. Guitar and Drums sound muddy on many parts.
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Interesting. In some respects it actually reminds me more of their contemporaries, i.e. Circus Maximus.
The song actually reminds me a bit of a mix between Pull Me Under and this.
My thoughts:
- The keyboards are the definite standout on this song - absolutely fantastic.
- Very nice to have some audible bass work.
- The vocal melodies are rather plain - I don't really find myself wanting to sing along to anything.
- After three listens, I can't seem to focus on the drums very much. Maybe it's because they're so low in the mix, I don't know, but they aren't especially standout. I was really hoping to be blown away by Mangini's recorded debut with Dream Theater. At least he's got another eight tracks to prove me wrong.
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I think it's great, and in the direction I've wanted DT to go for a few albums. It's ballsy, not too much like ANTR, and it's proggy, much like something from FII. With SC and BC&SL I find the direction of BALLZ METAL was too much for an old school DT fan. If the rest of the album is like this single, I'll be very surprised and happy.
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Unable to stop listening to this song after almost 2.5 hours...
Constantly discovering awesome new stuff!
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Giving it a second spin now. I must say, my first impression is better then anything from the last 2 albums. I mean that honestly, not just being a hater. I had to sort of grow to love the recent stuff, but this is legitimately strong and I'm sure will sit well for quite some time. I feel this is a much better representation of where the members are and what they're capable of. I think LaBrie sounds his strongest in quite some time due to not straining at all. He's in his comfort zone. Everyone is highlighted, the lyrics are good, and the structure doesn't feel forced. Consider me excited for the entire album!
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Mangini is so shockingly wonderful, and I already had high hopes.
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I agree with everyone who's not digging the vocal melody...that's the first thing I thought when vox came in; I was just like, eh...but the song as a whole is fantastic and I loved the guitar solo a lot. If only it'd kept that crazy prog chord passage from the intro going for some of the verse so I could hear the melody breathe a bit but still, so much better than AROP.
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Mangini is so shockingly wonderful, and I already had high hopes.
I concur Mon Frer :biggrin: LOVE the cymbals @ 3:28
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Mangini is so shockingly wonderful, and I already had high hopes.
It seems like they made the right choice.
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So, I just listened to the song for the second time. While it has some interesting stuff, I think it's still following the lines of the last few albums and I was hoping for a bigger change. For the production the only thing I'd change is having the cymbals a little louder. I hope the rest of the songs do not follow the same path as this one.
Keep in mind, this is a crappy youtube mix. HOPEFULLY in the proper format it will sound better :)
I'm not complaining about the sound at all (besides the cymbal volume). The song in general sounds more to me like what some people here call "Generic prog metal", with a couple of good sections.
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Ive listened to it 3 times, and by the third time, it started to click. It's a very good song. I will probably listen to it another 1-2 times, then that's it until September :hat
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Listening right now! :metal James' vocals just started, so far this reminds me of Images & Words! BTW, I've never seen so many people online on DTF!
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I agree with everyone who's not digging the vocal melody...that's the first thing I thought when vox came in; I was just like, eh...but the song as a whole is fantastic and I loved the guitar solo a lot. If only it'd kept that crazy prog chord passage from the intro going for some of the verse so I could hear the melody breathe a bit but still, so much better than AROP.
Something I notice: I'm legitimately excited for the instrumentation, which is usually not the case and I'm usually only thinking of it as fillery due to some of the wank of past albums. There's literally no wank here; everything is completely melodic and with purpose. They used those eight minutes and several seconds very, VERY well.
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such a good instrumental section.
-piano
-tasty JP solo w/ a few of his old tricks
- LTE jam session
short and really freakin sweet
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Listening right now! :metal James' vocals just started, so far this reminds me of Images & Words! BTW, I've never seen so many people online on DTF!
There's never been so many people online on DTF. =D
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I've actually forced myself to close the window and stop listening entirely; I don't want it to become stale so long before the album is released.
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
I hear Justin Beiber is making good music these days.... just a suggestion. :lol
I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
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im also glad that JR's 'solo' was the piano break.
no wah-wah feedbacky lead section
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
I agree COMPLETELY! ;) ;)
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I get a I&W vibe from the drumming. I don't know why but I just do.
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I'm really glad they released the album opener, because when we get the album now, it's not a matter of, "So I have that part that I've heard a billion times coming up in two tracks... then six more!" It's what we know from the get-go as a wonderful opener, and it will breathe new life into the song as we'll know that there's more to come right after it.
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That's one thing I'm not getting - the SFAM/I&W vibes others are talking about. I hear a little PMU in it at times, but other than that, I don't see it.
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Listening right now! :metal James' vocals just started, so far this reminds me of Images & Words! BTW, I've never seen so many people online on DTF!
There's never been so many people online on DTF. =D
You're right: "Most Online Ever: 966 (Today at 07:11:31 PM) "
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That's one thing I'm not getting - the SFAM/I&W vibes others are talking about. I hear a little PMU in it at times, but other than that, I don't see it.
I said it before, but to me it has more of a SDoIT vibe, with FII production values. But I'm sure once the album comes out and it's been digested, it will be "It has that ADTOE-vibe" ;D
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That's one thing I'm not getting - the SFAM/I&W vibes others are talking about. I hear a little PMU in it at times, but other than that, I don't see it.
I hear a LOT of SFAM..not so much I&W's. Keys around 2:28 sound very SFAM, and in quite a few other places.
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Six times today. That's my limit. It will feel fresh tomorrow.
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good song, and I like it more and more after every listen, but I really hope we get to hear more MM in the other songs!!! He's virtually nowhere to be found in this song.
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Hi everyone, long time lurker here ;)
Well, I'm listening to the song for something like the 10th time now and to me it's great. It's not as riff-oriented as most of the songs on last couple of albums. And it really reminds me of PMU in terms of the structure. But I love the fact that progressive side of DT is back. It has so much 90s vibe to it. And keeping in mind that a single is always one of the weakest songs... Wow, I'm really looking forward to 13 September.
Oh, by the way, did anyone else notice that the song continues from where TCOT ended ? Really cool transition, especially when you cut the fade out in TCOT ;D
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
I hear Justin Beiber is making good music these days.... just a suggestion. :lol
I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Hurr hurr...Bieber. ::)
This song doesn't sound much at all like earlier DT to me, so I don't really get your point.
The good news is that I thought AROP was the worst song from the last album, and that was the first single. So just because I don't like this new song much doesn't mean the whole album will be bad.
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That's one thing I'm not getting - the SFAM/I&W vibes others are talking about. I hear a little PMU in it at times, but other than that, I don't see it.
If you listen for the big picture, it's pretty much the same structure as Pull Me Under. Not saying that in a negative way at all.
To me it's not the vibes of those albums, it's that it seems like the natural progression from that stuff. The overbearing metal aspects of the recent stuff seemed to lose the sort of glory days of those albums for me. But this seems natural. This seems like where DT should be. I love it.
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I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Because it doesn't sound anywhere near the earlier stuff. Maybe a little of Pull Me Under but that's about it. I relate this more to SC than anything.
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
I hear Justin Beiber is making good music these days.... just a suggestion. :lol
I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Hurr hurr...Bieber. ::)
This song doesn't sound much at all like earlier DT to me, so I don't really get your point.
The good news is that I thought AROP was the worst song from the last album, and that was the first single. So just because I don't like this new song much doesn't mean the whole album will be bad.
Honestly, if you don't like this song I can only think of three explanations:
1. You've moved on beyond being able to enjoy this type of things anymore
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2. Your expectations are unreasonably high.
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3. You're still just hard-up about Mike quitting or Dream Theater moving forward without him.
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I heard John Myung on the first listen! That's awesome. I wasn't even listening specifically for the bass, it just was there in the mix. Drums could be a bit louder, except for that this sounds far better than the last few albums.
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I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Because it doesn't sound anywhere near the earlier stuff. Maybe a little of Pull Me Under but that's about it. I relate this more to SC than anything.
There's WDADU all over this.
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Why does it matter if it sound like I&W or not? It's a great fucking song and it just absorbs every part of me (whatever that means).
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Why does it matter if it sound like I&W or not? It's a great fucking song.
Agreed. End of thread. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Oh, by the way, did anyone else notice that the song continues from where TCOT ended ? Really cool transition, especially when you cut the fade out in TCOT ;D
Funny, cuz i was gonna joke last night in a post predicting that the song would do that. And it almost does (not quite though)
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Honestly, if you don't like this song I can only think of three explanations:
1. You've moved on beyond being able to enjoy this type of things anymore
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2. Your expectations are unreasonably high.
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AND/OR
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3. You're still just hard-up about Mike quitting or Dream Theater moving forward without him.
1. The band's music has changed considerably over the past three albums. I find it harder to enjoy that style than their earlier stuff, but there are still some good songs here and there and I thought BC&SL was a step up from Octavarium and SC.
2. I had somewhat low expectations.
3. Way off. I'm actually glad he left.
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I heard John Myung on the first listen! That's awesome. I wasn't even listening specifically for the bass, it just was there in the mix. Drums could be a bit louder, except for that this sounds far better than the last few albums.
I sorta know what you mean. I was listening for the bass just naturally, but not in a "how will John Myung sound on this album?" kind of way. Then the music broke in and I was like WOWOMG BASS!
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i think we just take petrucci for granted cause he does it all the time, but he is absolutely owning this track
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The part just after 6:47 reminds me of I&W. So awesome!
Exactly this!!! AWESOME!!
And indeed I hear some Static Impulse too!
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I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Because it doesn't sound anywhere near the earlier stuff. Maybe a little of Pull Me Under but that's about it. I relate this more to SC than anything.
There's WDADU all over this.
Completely agree, i find tons of WDADU and LTE all over the song. I like the Light Fuse and Get Away reference @ 2:22, everytime i hear that part in lfaga i think.. why they don't do that more often (or at least once).
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This song is fucking amazing.
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Man, what a difference a proper listen to the track makes. I was about to come in and say I didn't like it that much, but now that I did a "focused listening" of it, that is a solid tune, damnit. Has a lot of AROP elements in it I find.
rumborak
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Sadly, this song is just as uninspired as much of the past three albums. The vocals and melodies are just there.
The lyrics are my least favorite type of DT lyrics: vaguely politicized and seemingly critical about society. Really, DT's lyrics have been a major MAJOR problem for me for a while now. Could somebody please explain what these lyrics are about, because I don't want an album full of more Sacrificed Sons, Prophets of War, In the Name of God, The Great Debate type stuff. Maybe I'm totally wrong about what this song's about, so I'd like to proven wrong so I can actually enjoy it more.
So far the only thing I like is the intro, the bass being upfront, and one of the riffs. I knew most people would like it, but I guess I'm not much of a fan of new DT anymore. This cements it. :sad:
I hear Justin Beiber is making good music these days.... just a suggestion. :lol
I really can't understand how anyone that is a DT fan, especially of the earlier stuff couldnt absolutely love this single.
Hurr hurr...Bieber. ::)
This song doesn't sound much at all like earlier DT to me, so I don't really get your point.
The good news is that I thought AROP was the worst song from the last album, and that was the first single. So just because I don't like this new song much doesn't mean the whole album will be bad.
Well one thing that jumps out is that you can hear each member of the band very distinctly with less of the newr JMx distortion (more clean fast riffing in the likeness of I&W, Awake and WDADU). The transitions between prhasings are more in the vibe of the earlier stuff. I am not trying to say that it is EXACTLY like thier earlier work however, it just kind of makes me put this song in line with the pre TOT era stuff
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LTE and DT have become one. and i like it
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i like uhh-lot
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1st listen = liked it; 2nd listen = loved it.
Great, great song. I'm very pleased.
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For me this song sounds like a mixture of old and new, not one or the other.
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For me this song sounds like a mixture of old and new, not one or the other.
I would agree. They seem to have found a nice middle ground for me.
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I wish they'd release a high quality download of it - Youtube downloads sound terrible.
Also, anyone curious as to what that woman is saying at the start of the track? It's as if its being played backwards, I wonder who it is as well....
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For me this song sounds like a mixture of old and new, not one or the other.
Yup, definitely. And a good mixture at that, I might add.
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One thing that bugs me a bit is JP's somewhat uninspired riffage during verses, which kinda muddles up whatever the underlying chords are supposed to be.
rumborak
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I wish they'd release a high quality download of it - Youtube downloads sound terrible.
Agreed. Some people are already mentioning the production, but it's really just the quality of the youtube clip. The album will most definitely sound much better.
Edit: I meant Mix, not Production.
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i think we just take petrucci for granted cause he does it all the time, but he is absolutely owning this track
I actually think Rudess is the MVP of this track. The keyboards are so prominent and effective.
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I love how the octobans sound so DT-ish. :lol
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Some people have mentioned that the chorus (and overall melodies) seem a little lackluster... but after having given the song a second and third listen, I'm really starting to dig the chorus, especially the "Tears fall from the shameless" :metal
The song's pretty easy to sing along to as well, so that's always fun :D
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I did a quick and terrible photoshop job to see how this labum cover would look without the clown and airplaen
(https://i54.tinypic.com/ri5255.jpg)
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Damn I can't wait for a CD version of this. The more I listen, the more I think the mix is far better than the usual. Not too trebly, enough bass, bass drum doesn't sound like a snare (the difference between the snare and bass drum on BC&SL was at times almost nothing)
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One thing that bugs me a bit is JP's somewhat uninspired riffage during verses, which kinda muddles up whatever the underlying chords are supposed to be.
rumborak
True, a couple of progression related notes would've been welcome there.
I like how the focus here is almost solely on melody, proggy/symphonicness and energy. I love the new direction, and how awesome are the re-introduced old school elements. The heaviness is dosed pretty well, with the heavy ending being extremely theatral. Damn. It's just a great fookin' song I guess.
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wait til its off youtube, the mix will sound better
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Damn I can't wait for a CD version of this. The more I listen, the more I think the mix is far better than the usual. Not too trebly, enough bass, bass drum doesn't sound like a snare (the difference between the snare and bass drum on BC&SL was at times almost nothing)
Agreed. The drums sound better than on BC&SL even on this low quality clip. Also can't wait for the cd.
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I'm loving the Octavarium-sounding drums!! :biggrin:
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I'm loving the Octavarium-sounding drums!! :biggrin:
That's what it is. Couldn't put my finger on it.
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I'm still at a loss of words about the album cover. That's gotta be the biggest let-down so far.
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I love how the octobans sound so DT-ish. :lol
They did!
I just got to point out though, I just got my set of octobans... those things are hard to play..
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I'm still at a loss of words about the album cover. That's gotta be the biggest let-down so far.
rumborak
I thought that was the single-cover, not the album cover.
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It could be either one, we still don't know.
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theres some awesome cymbal work that kinda gets lost in the mix (may be youtube)
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Fucking amazing!
LOVE it. Maybe the best DT intro ever. Wow.
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There is huuuge interest in this. 2600 comments on youtube generated in 3.40 hrs.
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Finally decided to come out of lurking mode to give my thoughts on the song:
First time through, I was mainly in "oh wow, new Dream Theater!" mode, so I can't really give my initial impression other than that. My second listen through is where the WOW began. That huge moment when the heaviness hits and the choir swells, the epic piano solo, Petrucci tearing it up, Myung quite audible in the mix, Mangini proving he deserves the job from the first tom rolls-so much goodness. I too get the sense that it's a LaBrie lyric, it just feels like something he'd write, so I imagine I'm way off because I suck at predicting things like that.
An interesting thing I've noticed: when people compare it to earlier Dream Theater, you get a bit of a variance of opinon in which era it actually sounds like. To me, it felt a bit like I&W meeting Awake, others say SFAM or FII, others yet say 6DOIT. Which suggests to me that it sounds like, well, Dream Theater. It doesn't sound like Dream Theater sounding like Metallica or Muse or what have you-it sounds like Dream Theater. That gives me a lot of hope for the CD's musical direction. I've loved Dream Theater since the first time I heard "Pull Me Under" way back when, but I have to admit that SC and BCSL took a bit of effort for me to get into. If the rest of the CD matches this, then I suspect I won't have to put in as much effort.
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It could be either one, we still don't know.
How could it be either one? It says "A Dramatic Turn of Events"
if it was the single cover it'd have the name of the single on it.
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I really dug the song but I've already kind of forgot about it. I loved the Images and Words/Octavarium sound overall, though. Hearing Myung and Rudess using a real piano are two huge pluses.
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thats gotta be the album cover, but it's not that bad. i like it. but in the end it does not matter
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Love the song, and for those saying it could be shorter, I think this is the short version. I could imagine that the DT of the past few albums would have added a several minute instrumental section as opposed to a succinct section for JP and JR.
Also, does anyone else see the similarity between the intros of this song and "The Lady Wore Black" by Queensryche?
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I find the song to be not the catchiest thing they have ever done. But it is one thing that has been missing for a decade or so... tasteful. The song flows well, and nothing stands out as annoying or out of place. And it is leagues better than AROP or CM, which makes me hopeful for this album.
People saying that the mix is off because of youtube... I don't think your right about that. Yes, there is some compression involved, but never in my time as handling new media professionally, has compression actually changed the relative volume to instruments in music. I've uploaded my own work to youtube, and the audio is never changed all that much. Maybe when the compression is really heavy, the cymbals might get a little gurgley, and the snare a little fluffy, but never changed the volume level in relation to everything else.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. And I don't like that snare sound much, especially the reverb added to it.
Also those saying there might be a longer version... why would they make a short version that is 8 minutes long? That makes no sense.
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Also those saying there might be a longer version... why would they make a short version that is 8 minutes long? That makes no sense.
this. and i hope there isnt a longer version
and everything is good in this version. short and sweet. the 8:45 flies by
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Ok it was only a matter of time (lol) before the nugget police started coming out...
I noticed the first few seconds had a similar sound to the birds at the end of Count of Tuscany, although they sound like very muffled or modulated birds. I know everyone said they were done with continuing each album with the last part of the previous album but to me it sounds like they were still trying to give a slight hint of that...
nuggetz...
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See, with album covers, DT had a lot of foresight, and made sure their first album cover was bad enough that any other cover they ever used could never be the worst.
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I don't see this as the "Short single version". I'd bet this is the song length. Remember how they shortened A Rite Of Passage and the almost 3 minute difference or something close to that time.
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People saying that the mix is off because of youtube... I don't think your right about that. Yes, there is some compression involved, but never in my time as handling new media professionally, has compression actually changed the relative volume to instruments in music. I've uploaded my own work to youtube, and the audio is never changed all that much. Maybe when the compression is really heavy, the cymbals might get a little gurgley, and the snare a little fluffy, but never changed the volume level in relation to everything else.
I ran it through my stand alone CD recorder, and it sounded great in my car. I put it on my iPod and it sounds fine.
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There's very little change this is a shortened version. Shortening to 8:45 makes no sense since it's still way to long for anyone to play on radio or anything.
Thinking about this some more, there are a few things that I really liked about this song:
1) The instrumental section did not feel "forced in" like some others have in recent albums. No abrupt transition in style to accomodate the instrumental section, it flowed very nicely. I enjoyed the shorter, more melodic solos.
2) James' clean (non-metal) vocals were excellent. I've felt the direction lately with harsher vocals did not suit him very well.
3) Excellent mixture of harder, metal elements with the softer, more proggy elements, similar to earlier DT albums.
4) The mix felt less "in your face" than the last couple of albums, which was fantastic.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog. Mangini's drumming did nothing for me. Other than the lyrics being less cheesy than usual this song is pretty forgettable. Oh and the mix is not very good either.
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Guys, this is the "single", in that it is the first thing released for us to hear. I think the band is done trying to make "actual" singles to try and get some radio airplay. "As I Am", "I Walk Beside You", "Constant Motion", "Forsaken", "A Rite of Passage", and "Wither" all sound like they would fit right in with top 40 radio or modern rock/metal stations. But they got very little airplay with those songs (I heard a CM and Wither on the radio once each on NYC radio stations late at night, so...)
I dont think they're worried about "singles" anymore; I think that was Portnoy's doing anyway.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
**cough** New Millennium **cough**
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Oh and the mix is not very good either.
This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
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Pretty forgettable IMO
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I think that was Portnoy's doing anyway.
I don't know about that, but it's nice to hear a sing where they're not really trying for a radio single. It definitely plays to their strengths better.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
**cough** New Millennium **cough**
lol no
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
I'm guessing you prefer the recent more riff based and metal oriented DT rather than the classical DT (more melodical and more awesome DT)?
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I've listened On The Backs of Angels three times today and I think it a great song.
I love the Pink Floydish-intro (It reminds me of the guitars in the end of "Is There Anybody Out There")
LaBrie does a great job with the vocals, Jordan's parts fit perfectly in the song and Mangini's sounds like he's been playing with the rest of the guys for years.
The best thing in "On The Backs of Angels" is that it sounds like it's played by a band (not 5 individuals).
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog. Mangini's drumming did nothing for me. Other than the lyrics being less cheesy than usual this song is pretty forgettable. Oh and the mix is not very good either.
Mangini's playing did nothing for you? WUT?!
Come on now.
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It was pretty standard for DT. I'm sure the album has some wow moments though.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
**cough** New Millennium **cough**
lol no
oh come on. As I Am? All their other album openers get you pumped.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
**cough** New Millennium **cough**
New Millennium has an awesome style and groove that DT has never captured before or since.
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It could be either one, we still don't know.
How could it be either one? It says "A Dramatic Turn of Events"
if it was the single cover it'd have the name of the single on it.
That was what I was thinking.
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
**cough** New Millennium **cough**
New Millennium has an awesome style and groove that DT has never captured before or since.
This is the second time Ive been involved in this discussion. I never said New Millennium was a bad song or anything, I love it actually; but it shouldn't have been the opener
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Listened to it twice already, that bit at around 3:00 sounded like something from Rudess's Feeding The Wheel. I also got a Mega Man vibe from certain sections :tup
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Oh and the mix is not very good either.
This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
Just because I don't much care for the song or the mix doesn't mean I'm trolling. I don't or ever will Troll on message boards. I'll leave that to the teeny boppers with no life. Anyway the rest of the album could kick major ass for all I know, I'll just have to wait and see.
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Oh and the mix is not very good either.
This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
Just because I don't much care for the song or the mix doesn't mean I'm trolling. I don't or ever will Troll on message boards. I'll leave that to the teeny boppers with no life. Anyway the rest of the album could kick major ass for all I know, I'll just have to wait and see.
So what's wrong with the mix, other than the drums being a little soft?
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog.
I'm guessing you prefer the recent more riff based and metal oriented DT rather than the classical DT (more melodical and more awesome DT)?
Nope not at all. My favorite DT albums are I&W, Awake, FII, SFAM, and SDOIT. I enjoy TOT, Octavarium, SC, BCSL but not as much as the earlier stuff. I just thought the song was a little boring, it's not like this is the only DT song I find boring. Like I said the rest of the album could be great, I hope it is.
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I have listened to the song 3 or 4 times now and I can say it is amazing and shows that DT is wanting to return again to their more proggy side. This album is gonna be amazing!
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It was pretty standard for DT. I'm sure the album has some wow moments though.
This, yeah. I was actually expecting a wow song to announce the existence (and skill) of the new drummer. Mangini played very song-oriented; not a bad thing, but I didn't expect that.
rumborak
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Oh and the mix is not very good either.
This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
Just because I don't much care for the song or the mix doesn't mean I'm trolling. I don't or ever will Troll on message boards. I'll leave that to the teeny boppers with no life. Anyway the rest of the album could kick major ass for all I know, I'll just have to wait and see.
So what's wrong with the mix, other than the drums being a little soft?
Maybe I'm to quick to judge on the mix since I am listening to it through youtube. It just sounds a little muffled to me.
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It was pretty standard for DT. I'm sure the album has some wow moments though.
This, yeah. I was actually expecting a wow song to announce the existence (and skill) of the new drummer. Mangini played very song-oriented; not a bad thing, but I didn't expect that.
rumborak
Rumbo, I'm surprised by your remarks. When has DT ever released a wow track as a single? Most have been a rock formulaic song. The only one I can think of is Home and they cut that down taking away the proggier moments.
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Yes, nothing special.
Pro:
JMX bass audio level in the mix is audible.
Con:
Rhythm is stiff and not organic (I blame JP and the programming of the drums).
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The most boring opening song in the DT catalog. Mangini's drumming did nothing for me. Other than the lyrics being less cheesy than usual this song is pretty forgettable. Oh and the mix is not very good either.
Mangini's playing did nothing for you? WUT?!
Come on now.
It just didn't excite me the way Portnoy's playing does. Is MP's style somewhat predictable? Well yea, but he's still fun to listen to.
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Mangini's drumming did nothing for me.
What --- actually kudos to JP for programming it like did... Mangini's input is supposed to be limited on the album. Yes, he is hitting the drums but apparently from what they said the beats were laid down by JP.
As somebody said before... if you didn't know that MP had left, you probably wouldn't call it at least on this song.
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I love MP as a drummer but MM's playing is just fine on this. I like that he has more of a "Swing" to his hi hat playing.
Mangini's drumming did nothing for me.
What --- actually kudos to JP for programming it like did... Mangini's input is supposed to be limited on the album. Yes, he is hitting the drums but apparently from what they said the beats were laid down by JP.
As somebody said before... if you didn't know that MP had left, you probably wouldn't call it at least on this song.
Guys, I'd think that JP laid down a basic drum track with just time signatures and a few accents. Then MM took it and put his spin on it and worked with the guys on the fills.
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Interesting that JP programming the beats is being brought up so much. Yeah, honestly some of the beats sound like things I'd program in Superior Drummer, but Mangini's style is also everywhere in this, especially the cymbals.
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I love it. Very proggy and twisty. I giggled with happiness several times on my 3rd listen. Nothing about it made me want to leave the DT club, which is the first time since 8VM for me, and it sounds better than that. Cannot wait to have a CD of this.
Still hoping for more soaring vocals and lyrics that mean something sensitive in the album. Thanks, fellas. Welcome back!
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As for whether we could notice a change in drummer:
Where is all the china cymbal work? It's NOT Dream Theater and it's definitely not ballsy and/or chunky if I don't hear this thing banged uninterestingly for every heavy DT moment!!! /sarcasm
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If I can get into the vocals, I'm going to love this song.
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The intro and the chorus are my favorite parts of the song. Especially the intro. Overall, it's pretty solid.
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Finally decided to come out of lurking mode to give my thoughts on the song:
First time through, I was mainly in "oh wow, new Dream Theater!" mode, so I can't really give my initial impression other than that. My second listen through is where the WOW began. That huge moment when the heaviness hits and the choir swells, the epic piano solo, Petrucci tearing it up, Myung quite audible in the mix, Mangini proving he deserves the job from the first tom rolls-so much goodness. I too get the sense that it's a LaBrie lyric, it just feels like something he'd write, so I imagine I'm way off because I suck at predicting things like that.
An interesting thing I've noticed: when people compare it to earlier Dream Theater, you get a bit of a variance of opinon in which era it actually sounds like. To me, it felt a bit like I&W meeting Awake, others say SFAM or FII, others yet say 6DOIT. Which suggests to me that it sounds like, well, Dream Theater. It doesn't sound like Dream Theater sounding like Metallica or Muse or what have you-it sounds like Dream Theater. That gives me a lot of hope for the CD's musical direction. I've loved Dream Theater since the first time I heard "Pull Me Under" way back when, but I have to admit that SC and BCSL took a bit of effort for me to get into. If the rest of the CD matches this, then I suspect I won't have to put in as much effort.
Welcome, and really good first post. I gotta say I agree with everything you said :)
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I rated the song 8/10 for the first like 10 listens. Now, it's like a 9/10.
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Finally decided to come out of lurking mode to give my thoughts on the song:
First time through, I was mainly in "oh wow, new Dream Theater!" mode, so I can't really give my initial impression other than that. My second listen through is where the WOW began. That huge moment when the heaviness hits and the choir swells, the epic piano solo, Petrucci tearing it up, Myung quite audible in the mix, Mangini proving he deserves the job from the first tom rolls-so much goodness. I too get the sense that it's a LaBrie lyric, it just feels like something he'd write, so I imagine I'm way off because I suck at predicting things like that.
An interesting thing I've noticed: when people compare it to earlier Dream Theater, you get a bit of a variance of opinon in which era it actually sounds like. To me, it felt a bit like I&W meeting Awake, others say SFAM or FII, others yet say 6DOIT. Which suggests to me that it sounds like, well, Dream Theater. It doesn't sound like Dream Theater sounding like Metallica or Muse or what have you-it sounds like Dream Theater. That gives me a lot of hope for the CD's musical direction. I've loved Dream Theater since the first time I heard "Pull Me Under" way back when, but I have to admit that SC and BCSL took a bit of effort for me to get into. If the rest of the CD matches this, then I suspect I won't have to put in as much effort.
Welcome, and really good first post. I gotta say I agree with everything you said :)
I think that's more text then what I have written if you'd put all my posts together. And you know, the post was actually good.
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6:45. Solitary Shell instrumental section, anyone?
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First impressions having been a DT fan since 1989. I'm glad to hear the band sound more organic. The song doesn't feel so pieced together as the past 5-6 albums have. JP plays a tasteful, reserved solo for once. I feel they've gotten back to the basics again that made DT great. The mix is really good. Mangini is not as high strung as MP seemed to be on the drums. I felt the drums on this grooved with JM and the band more than they have in a long long time. The song seemed to just flow along at times, then the sick progressiveness comes out again and again. Bottom line, I like it!
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Just listened to the tune with a good pair of headphones.
Even though it's a youtube mix, the drums sound fine to me. Some of these "technical" arguments just seem to be for the sake of having something to complain about. :lol
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First impressions having been a DT fan since 1989. I'm glad to hear the band sound more organic. The song doesn't feel so pieced together as the past 5-6 albums have. JP plays a tasteful, reserved solo for once. I feel they've gotten back to the basics again that made DT great. The mix is really good. Mangini is not as high strung as MP seemed to be on the drums. I felt the drums on this grooved with JM and the band more than they have in a long long time. The song seemed to just flow along at times, then the sick progressivenewww comes out again and again. Bottom line, I like it!
Organic! That's the word I've been looking for about this song. And you raise a good point about what bothered me about a lot of BCSL in particular, the way it felt pieced together rather than flowing naturally. That had been nagging at me and I couldn't put a finger on what it was.
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Organic! That's the word I've been looking for about this song. And you raise a good point about what bothered me about a lot of BCSL in particular, the way it felt pieced together rather than flowing naturally. That had been nagging at me and I couldn't put a finger on what it was.
It always bugged me to see MP charts of songs. It just seem everything was pasted together. Then using other bands names for sections just rubbed me wrong.
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This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
Myazaki isn't a troll. Looking at his post history, he's just one of those guys who thought the "Mike Portnoy presents..." version of Dream Theater (i.e., SFAM-BC&SL) was the shit, and thought the sky was falling when Portnoy quit the band.
Organic! That's the word I've been looking for about this song. And you raise a good point about what bothered me about a lot of BCSL in particular, the way it felt pieced together rather than flowing naturally. That had been nagging at me and I couldn't put a finger on what it was.
It always bugged me to see MP charts of songs. It just seem everything was pasted together. Then using other bands names for sections just rubbed me wrong.
Agreed with everyone in this quote pyramid, 100 percent.
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Just gave it my first listen, and I can't say how stoked I am about the regression into the more prog sound it seems they are taking. Though I enjoy the later albums, it was the first albums that I fell in love with. This DT fan is happy. :biggrin:
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It's funny seeing all the praise the song is getting on MP's forum. :metal Here's a quote from MP's forum that hits the nail on the head when it comes to JLB.
Further thoughts: I fucking love the James' voice on this and was trying to figure out why... then it hit me. He's not trying to be a metal singer! The last few DT albums have had James trying to growl and sneer and be the big mean metal guy and it just doesn't suit him. His vocals and totally righteous on this track. It really does sound like I&W or FII. I absolutely cannot wait for this album!
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If this song is to ADTOE what AROP was to BCSL, then this album will fucking rock.
Or, if this song is ADTOE's Pull Me Under, then it will fucking rock.
Overall, I liked the song a lot...but I do agree that the vocal melodies are rather plain and forgettable.
Keys sound awesome....hopefully piano is a recurring theme throughout the whole album.
Bass is finally audible again, which is very relieving because I felt that if JMX didn't make a return on this album then we probably wouldn't ever hear him again.
I hope that not all songs have such a low, ballsy guitar sound though. It works great on this song, but a whole album of super crunch guitar would be too much for me.
Oh, 8:15-8:20 is ridiculous.
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Song Sounds Good.
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Overall, I liked the song a lot...but I do agree that the vocal melodies are rather plain and forgettable.
Read my post just before yours.
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Well...I really don't know what to think. There were some parts that were REALLY cool (pianobreak for one) but It feels a bit stock to me. Vocal melodies were, as some have said, rather forgettable. It really sucks because I wanna like this song than I do right now. Oh well, I guess it will get better with time :)
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So far I really like the music, but the drums are pretty damn low in the mix. I hope it's just a youtube thing. Hopefully the CD will have more audible drums.
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People saying that the mix is off because of youtube... I don't think your right about that. Yes, there is some compression involved, but never in my time as handling new media professionally, has compression actually changed the relative volume to instruments in music. I've uploaded my own work to youtube, and the audio is never changed all that much. Maybe when the compression is really heavy, the cymbals might get a little gurgley, and the snare a little fluffy, but never changed the volume level in relation to everything else.
I ran it through my stand alone CD recorder, and it sounded great in my car. I put it on my iPod and it sounds fine.
You need a revealing system to detect a bad sound mix. I'm listening through a V-Dac / Mapletree Audio Design Ear+ HD headphone amp / Grado RS1 or Beyerdynamic DT 880 headphones. If this is the cd quality then it's bad and I'm in trouble on my system. It has to be the youtube clip quality. Just has to. Better be. Yeah.
Edit: It would make sense that Roadrunner would release a lesser quality clip, so that piraters can't steal the youtube clip and create single cds of good quality and sell them, something common in poorer countries and big cities worldwide.
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Youtube quality doesn't simply compress it, it takes out a HUGE amount of the bass mix, which will make certain things seem lower in the mix.
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I think the drums should be louder, but i think i should wait for a proper release to judge.
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Love how so many people are like "this sounds like Awake" "this sounds like SFAM" "this sounds like Images and Words" "this sounds too bright" :lol
:metal great song
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I think the drums should be louder, but i think i should wait for a proper release to judge.
Exactly. I remember hearing Praise the Lowered by Devin on youtube before it came out and thinking "wow this mix is awful, there's no drums at all pretty much". Then I got the cd and was like "Damn this is a great mix".
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After one listen, I like it, a lot, and it will grow more I'm sure. I think the chorus is fantastic, lots of melody. The whole thing reminds me strongly of Octavarium in sound and feel, which is a good thing. Also, no extended wanking sessions which makes the song sound more focused and fresh.
Also, you can hear all five guys equally in the mix, they sound like they are playing like a band. I will say the entire thing sounds a little subdued, but I don't think anyone has a reason to be disappointed with this. Also, the intro has that PMU feel, good stuff.
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Come back to it after a few hours and I've found I can't remember a single vocal hook from the song. Not one. Damn shame as the song stands up so well instrumentally. Say what you like about CM and AROP their choruses stay in your head. Nothing from this apart from maybe the first line is memorable. Loads of memorable instrumentation though.
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Come back to it after a few hours and I've found I can't remember a single vocal hook from the song. Not one. Damn shame as the song stands up so well instrumentally. Say what you like about CM and AROP their choruses stay in your head. Nothing from this apart from maybe the first line is memorable. Loads of memorable instrumentation though.
Constant Motion memorable? Not in my lifetime. IMO it's DT's weakest song to ever make an album, it has no memorable parts (vocal melody especially so). AROP is quite catchy though. OTBOA is more proggy than catchy, but it sounded pretty good to me.
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I don't think the vocal melodies are that bad. The song mainly lets the music and vibe do the talking; that's cool. I'm not into DT for catchy vocals, though they had some very good ones on mainly FII and 8VM. These Walls in particular is a very good, tight chorus, with a 'tail end' that leads the listener to the next verse (I'm trying to find my way out, tear down..).
I do like it if DT write 'shout along' choruses, but only if it's a good one. I couldn't stand CM's and AROP's really.
One thing though, on this new track they're really sounding like a band. Now on 5th listen and I'm getting more and more enthoused about the new record.
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Just listened to the tune with a good pair of headphones.
Even though it's a youtube mix, the drums sound fine to me. Some of these "technical" arguments just seem to be for the sake of having something to complain about. :lol
THIS. Although I do feel the CD mix will be more vibrant
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I agree that they sound truly like a band. Everything sounds fresh and rejuvenated, definitely.
And I can remember the vocal melodies very well. I like them. They're not overdone nor subdued too much. I'm sure there will be some shining vocal moments on the album, though.
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Love the song, and for those saying it could be shorter, I think this is the short version. I could imagine that the DT of the past few albums would have added a several minute instrumental section as opposed to a succinct section for JP and JR.
Also, does anyone else see the similarity between the intros of this song and "The Lady Wore Black" by Queensryche?
I thought the same thing about the intro, I immediately thought Queensryche this is gonna be cool.
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I love it.
It's not a departure like people said it would be, LaBrie's vocals are shweeeeeeeet. I love it all!
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Hearsay here. This is from progressive ears. User name progmeister.
I like this track very much and agree with posters who talk about the mix being better. You do know Myung is in the building now. This is the first time they've worked with mixer extraordinaire Andy Wallace. Andy is most famous for mixing Nirvana's "Teen Spirit". The other night at the Adrenaline Mob show I spoke with one of the senior executives at Roadrunner, DT's record company who told me the first cut they were putting up was most like the DT we've all know to come AND LOVE but that the album was gonna surprise us in alot of places. When I pressed him harder for some adjectives he said the album was very "technical"
I wonder what this means.
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Hearsay here. This is from progressive ears. User name progmeister.
I like this track very much and agree with posters who talk about the mix being better. You do know Myung is in the building now. This is the first time they've worked with mixer extraordinaire Andy Wallace. Andy is most famous for mixing Nirvana's "Teen Spirit". The other night at the Adrenaline Mob show I spoke with one of the senior executives at Roadrunner, DT's record company who told me the first cut they were putting up was most like the DT we've all know to come AND LOVE but that the album was gonna surprise us in alot of places. When I pressed him harder for some adjectives he said the album was very "technical"
I wonder what this means.
It means, behold the power of Mangini
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Not to be picky, but I would be so happy if they simply offered a full FLAC version.
The song is awesome. I can't wait to hear my friends' reactions.
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Holy SHIT!! That song IS AWESOME!!!! This is exactly what I was hoping for! Rudess was used to full potential, some nice myung moments. Great arrangement, nothing felt superflous. Sounded FII ish. Loved it! Can't wait for the new album.
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Total love for this song, Portnoy who? Looks like he was the cancer in the band forcing them to be a metal band the last couple. Not saying those albums are bad but they will be more Dream Theaterish again and that is fantastic! :tup
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i don't like the song, and that has also something to do with the production/mix. LaBrie's vocals have so many layers that alot of it just gets buried in this wall of vocals, drums are too low in the mix, alot of stitching parts together that would make sense compositionwise, but not with the actual music being played. I mean, none of the solo's are refined to what a solo should be for, building up to something but not giving it a climax or anything memorable beforehand...
i do like the difference from the last (past ToT) albums, but still this is a very lazy effort and i'm hoping the rest of the album holds some gems to keep me on the DT board, i hoped MP leaving would help DT make actual music, but this is still very mediocre. Yeah it's all technical very difficult to play and stuff, but musically there's not much to be found.
Maybe the next album with MM's input will correct this "error" ......??
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Giving it a second listen, and they are right, falling in love IS better the second time around. When I checked DTF this morning on my crap phone, and saw the news, I had to wait four hours before giving it a listen, the first on a friends I-phone. Now that I have a puter and a proper pair of headphones, all I can say is HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT!!!!
Thank you DT, thank you.
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
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Portnoy who? Looks like he was the cancer in the band forcing them to be a metal band the last couple.
That will be quite enough of that. The next time you insult a current or former band member will be your last time posting on this forum. This is your warning.
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Wow, 100,000 visits in youtube so far. That's quite a number.
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i don't like the song, and that has also something to do with the production/mix. LaBrie's vocals have so many layers that alot of it just gets buried in this wall of vocals, drums are too low in the mix, alot of stitching parts together that would make sense compositionwise, but not with the actual music being played. I mean, none of the solo's are refined to what a solo should be for, building up to something but not giving it a climax or anything memorable beforehand...
i do like the difference from the last (past ToT) albums, but still this is a very lazy effort and i'm hoping the rest of the album holds some gems to keep me on the DT board, i hoped MP leaving would help DT make actual music, but this is still very mediocre. Yeah it's all technical very difficult to play and stuff, but musically there's not much to be found.
Maybe the next album with MM's input will correct this "error" ......??
i will simply say that I completely disagree with your opinion lol!
absolute magic song.
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Just a quick observation - lots of people were suggesting that maybe the single might open with a drum solo, or some kind of platform for Mangini to really show his chops?
First taste of the new Mike turned out to be... his mad tambourine skills.
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i don't like the song, and that has also something to do with the production/mix. LaBrie's vocals have so many layers that alot of it just gets buried in this wall of vocals, drums are too low in the mix, alot of stitching parts together that would make sense compositionwise, but not with the actual music being played. I mean, none of the solo's are refined to what a solo should be for, building up to something but not giving it a climax or anything memorable beforehand...
i do like the difference from the last (past ToT) albums, but still this is a very lazy effort and i'm hoping the rest of the album holds some gems to keep me on the DT board, i hoped MP leaving would help DT make actual music, but this is still very mediocre. Yeah it's all technical very difficult to play and stuff, but musically there's not much to be found.
Maybe the next album with MM's input will correct this "error" ......??
I disagree. I think there are many memorable moments in this track
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I just have to add that I love the closing, really adds a majestic touch for me.
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I love how people can complain about the sound on the single. It's Youtube folks!! As many other have said. Compressed and why would Roadrunner release a crystal clear, digital released song when there is money to be had. settle down and wait to the album comes out.
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On a funny note. I've left the Youtube page open since I got home at 1pm. :lol
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I've seen a lot of people mentioning that the drums are low in the mix. Does anyone else think maybe that was an intentional thing?
Everyone was expecting some hugely crazy drum work from MM to show off how good he is. I was expecting it, too. But I, for one, am pleasantly surprised - rather than this song just being about introducing Mangini, it's actually about the whole band.
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I really like the part at 2:09 where Mike plays on the hihat in accordance to what JR plays, and on the bass drums following JP.
That was a "holy shit" moment for me.
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After one listen, I really dig it. Some of the vocal melodies didn't hugely grab me, but it's only been one listen, takes time to settle in. But the intro is amazing and the outro is absolutely fantastic!
And yeah, it amuses me that people are complaining about the sound. I'm looking forward to a proper high quality version, maybe in the form of a single release through iTunes/amazon/whatever.
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This is were I started laughing. Nice troll.
Myazaki isn't a troll. Looking at his post history, he's just one of those guys who thought the "Mike Portnoy presents..." version of Dream Theater (i.e., SFAM-BC&SL) was the shit, and thought the sky was falling when Portnoy quit the band.
Well I didn't think the sky was falling, I wasn't going out of my mind or anything, :lol but I was dissapointed that my favorite drummer was no longer in my favorite band.
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I gotta say, when I clicked play this morning and I heard the first 30 seconds or so of the song, I breathed a huge sigh of relief. Part of me was kinda worried that DT might not kick ass without MP. I figured everything would fine, but I was still a little worried. And as the opening seconds played and I could tell the song was awesome, I smiled and felt really happy. DT is still alive and kicking ass as much as ever. Great job, guys! Can't wait to hear the rest of the album!
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On a funny note. I've left the Youtube page open since I got home at 1pm. :lol
Even funnier, I'm stuck away from home between meetings, so I borrowed headphones from a friend I had lunch with, went to the local library, logged in, and listened to it four straight times. Fanboy much.
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I love that in about 8 hours, the new DT song has gotten roughly a third of the views of the new Korn/Skrillex song.
Well have over taken them by this time tomorrow, I'm sure. Feels good.
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I'm looking forward to a proper high quality version, maybe in the form of a single release through iTunes/amazon/whatever.
Too bad iTunes/Amazon don't offer high quality. 256 kbps variable bit rate is only ok at best, but it would be better than nothing. A flac download would be ideal. Maybe they will pull a Steven Wilson and start offering flac or 320 kbps mp3 on their website, hint...hint any member of DT or Roadrunner who might be reading this. ;)
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I love that in about 8 hours, the new DT song has gotten roughly a third of the views of the new Korn/Skrillex song.
Well have over taken them by this time tomorrow, I'm sure. Feels good.
Departure of members does wonders to the public relations of the following album.
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Just went back and read the thread right around the time the song was released, and you guys reaffirmed every single reason why I love DTF. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Wish I could have been there for the moment.
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Just went back and read the thread right around the time the song was released, and you guys reaffirmed every single reason why I love DTF. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Wish I could have been there for the moment.
You eyes must be killing you. :lol
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I love that in about 8 hours, the new DT song has gotten roughly a third of the views of the new Korn/Skrillex song.
Well have over taken them by this time tomorrow, I'm sure. Feels good.
Departure of members does wonders to the public relations of the following album.
True, but Korn tend to be pretty big and mainstream. And Skrillex (along with other generic dubstep artists) are the hot new thing right now. And yet, a band that hardly gets radio play and a large amount of the general public haven't heard of are beating them.
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Since this morning, the like to dislike ratio has been about 95-98% in favor of "like." I'd say the song is being well-received.
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Since this morning, the like to dislike ratio has been about 95-98% in favor of "like." I'd say the song is being well-received.
Na, I just opened fake accounts and liked it a buttload of times. :P
Just went back and read the thread right around the time the song was released, and you guys reaffirmed every single reason why I love DTF. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Wish I could have been there for the moment.
You eyes must be killing you. :lol
It's a good kind of pain, though. :hat
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I love that in about 8 hours, the new DT song has gotten roughly a third of the views of the new Korn/Skrillex song.
Well have over taken them by this time tomorrow, I'm sure. Feels good.
Departure of members does wonders to the public relations of the following album.
True, but Korn tend to be pretty big and mainstream. And Skrillex (along with other generic dubstep artists) are the hot new thing right now. And yet, a band that hardly gets radio play and a large amount of the general public haven't heard of are beating them.
Oh well. I'm just happy with that fact :)
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Oh indeed! I'm glad it's the case. It makes me happy, I'm proud of it.
It's just a bit surprising is all.
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Ok so I've given this song a few more listens maybe thinking that I'm being to hard on it but I still don't get what all the hoopla is about. People saying that it sounds like Awake, but to me it sounds like a rejected BC&SL song. And all this talk about Myung finally being heard is just plain stupid. Myung is plenty heard in current and past DT albums. He's heard in the beginning of this song and the middle breakdown. Once JP starts riffin Myung becomes low in the mix again as usual. I doubt evil Mike Portnoy had anything to do with Myung being low in the mix. If anything blame JP since he was the one who was mostly in charge of how the album sounded.
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True, but Korn tend to be pretty big and mainstream. And Skrillex (along with other generic dubstep artists) are the hot new thing right now. And yet, a band that hardly gets radio play and a large amount of the general public haven't heard of are beating them.
People are making their own Dubstep beats at home. I still don't even know what the genre is, and I'd really like this next fad to pass me by.
It's sad that you can write 7-second beats, have them loop over 2-3 minutes, and then rap/sing BS lyrics over them to make millions and billions of dollars, when you have artists like DT, busting their asses to write music that is deep, has meaning, is meant to be musical and made from a passion of music rather than writing catchy choruses to make money, and yet they are not known by the general public.
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Ok so I've given this song a few more listens maybe thinking that I'm being to hard on it but I still don't get what all the hoopla is about. People saying that it sounds like Awake, but to me it sounds like a rejected BC&SL song. And all this talk about Myung finally being heard is just plain stupid. Myung is plenty heard in current and past DT albums. He's heard in the beginning of this song and the middle breakdown. Once JP starts riffin Myung becomes low in the mix again as usual. I doubt evil Mike Portnoy had anything to do with Myung being low in the mix. If anything blame JP since he was the one who was mostly in charge of how the album sounded.
it sounds NOTHING like Black Clouds (which I like a lot)
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Also, I agree with Reapsta about MM's cymbal work, it's just great!
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The new song is pretty good. Love the mix. The cover art is horrible though! :lol
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I'd like the cover way better if the clown/man wasn't on there.
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Ok so I've given this song a few more listens maybe thinking that I'm being to hard on it but I still don't get what all the hoopla is about. People saying that it sounds like Awake, but to me it sounds like a rejected BC&SL song. And all this talk about Myung finally being heard is just plain stupid. Myung is plenty heard in current and past DT albums. He's heard in the beginning of this song and the middle breakdown. Once JP starts riffin Myung becomes low in the mix again as usual. I doubt evil Mike Portnoy had anything to do with Myung being low in the mix. If anything blame JP since he was the one who was mostly in charge of how the album sounded.
it sounds NOTHING like Black Clouds (which I like a lot)
Their were some parts that reminded me of wither a bit. Anyway I said it sounded like a rejected BC&SL song not a BC&SL song.
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Wow! My headphones detect an AARRRRGGHH! at 2:15/2:16 by JLB. Very cool!
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I wonder what's going through DT's minds right now reading all the comments on the forums, FB and Youtube about the mix.
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I wonder what's going through DT's minds right now reading all the comments on the forums, FB and Youtube about the mix.
That it's just a low quality youtube clip and people must be stupid. :lol
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It's sad that you can write 7-second beats, have them loop over 2-3 minutes, and then rap/sing BS lyrics over them to make millions and billions of dollars, when you have artists like DT, busting their asses to write music that is deep, has meaning, is meant to be musical and made from a passion of music rather than writing catchy choruses to make money, and yet they are not known by the general public.
Apologies for being off-topic, but you didn't describe dubstep at all with that description. Making good electronic music can easily take as much time and talent as making good metal/rock music. Yes there are some artists that are just in it for the money, but that can be said of many genres. And Dream Theater, whilst not being a household name, are certainly earning a very comfortable living and are much more likely to receive public recognition such as radio play than any electronic artist.
On-topic, the new song is good! Not instantly blown away, but I've only listened to it twice and it's clear the YouTube compression is not doing it any favours. I'm not going to overplay it, but instead look forward to hearing it live and on record!
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I've only listened to it twice, and I don't want to overdo it. I don't want to get to a stage where I'm finding myself constantly listening to this song over and over. To me it sounds so fresh, I want to try and keep it that way.
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I am listening to it again and I swear the mix sounds better than it was this morning. I have compared them to other songs on youtube too.
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I wonder what's going through DT's minds right now reading all the comments on the forums, FB and Youtube about the mix.
That it's just a low quality youtube clip and people must be stupid. :lol
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_to_hit_a_nail_on_the_head_mean
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I wonder what's going through DT's minds right now reading all the comments on the forums, FB and Youtube about the mix.
That it's just a low quality youtube clip and people must be stupid. :lol
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_to_hit_a_nail_on_the_head_mean
Youtube quality does not make much of a difference. You can A/B multiple songs.
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Anyone else hear Jame's AARRRGH! at 2:15? Nice touch. :yarr
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Does anyone else besides me really want the whole fucking album NOW!!!??
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Does anyone else besides me really want the whole fucking album NOW!!!??
Right here.
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I wonder what's going through DT's minds right now reading all the comments on the forums, FB and Youtube about the mix.
That it's just a low quality youtube clip and people must be stupid. :lol
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_to_hit_a_nail_on_the_head_mean
Youtube quality does not make much of a difference. You can A/B multiple songs.
A better youtube version will surely come about when the single is released and re-uploaded by 100,000 crazy DT fanatics in the first hour upon release. ;)
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It needs more cowbell :angel:
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It's sad that you can write 7-second beats, have them loop over 2-3 minutes, and then rap/sing BS lyrics over them to make millions and billions of dollars, when you have artists like DT, busting their asses to write music that is deep, has meaning, is meant to be musical and made from a passion of music rather than writing catchy choruses to make money, and yet they are not known by the general public.
Apologies for being off-topic, but you didn't describe dubstep at all with that description. Making good electronic music can easily take as much time and talent as making good metal/rock music. Yes there are some artists that are just in it for the money, but that can be said of many genres. And Dream Theater, whilst not being a household name, are certainly earning a very comfortable living and are much more likely to receive public recognition such as radio play than any electronic artist.
As I said, I've never heard Dubstep before. I was describing other kinds of music that have/are making money.
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1. Petrucci is fantastic here. Intro is beautiful, chugging is good where it's at.
2. Bass is more present than the last 2 albums. Also, it sounds more...emotive. I feel like JMX is speaking with it.
3. JR is the MVP here. Every patch used is used perfectly in each part. Choirs, pianos, whatever.
4. JLB sounds "right." I'm not expecting JLB to be all over high screams anymore. No more tough guy metal like ANTR or CM or TDEN. This style suits him well. Nothing immediately memorable, but it will grow on you. Watch.
5. Love the verses and the way they are sung, with a bit of pause. Very nice!
6. Proggy with metal and well done at that! Felt so natural.
7. Lyrics are better than almost anything on the last 2 albums. Exceptions or contenders: Wither.
8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
9. Piano part sounds like SFAM to me. I loved it, and the solo.
10. This is DT how I would want them to sound in their modern form. This song exceeded my high expectations.
Overall, what hits me is that this song is not over the top, trying to make you think it's the best song ever. It's not, but it is the song that I think will set the new DT ship on high ground for all of us watching. It has the right elements, and I feel like DT have finally matured from where 8VM (or SDOIT, depending) left off.
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I don't know if this has happened with any one else, but like everyone else I thought the mix was a bit odd as I listened to the song countless times today at work on my iPod ear bud headphones. I just listened to it again on my home PC speakers (shich aren't the best but alright) and the mix sounds 10X better. I guess it was just a matter of the quality of the listening device? Either way it doesn't really matter to me becasue I love the song and couldn't be more excited about the album
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
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Kind of reminds me of FII/ACOS mixed with I&W and opening up an album in a similar way to As I Am opened up TOT. I'm really looking forward to this album now, it will be oozing with Dream vintage!
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It's almost 8:30 at night and I am just noticing this thread. Why was there no facebook announcement?!? Anyways, I listened to the first four minutes of the song and can say that I am very confident in this album.
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
Yeah. I listened in depth, and my post about it was probably buried somewhere in all the fanfare, but a close listening to the drumming on the track is really rewarding. Mangini is doing things that I just didn't expect to ever hear from Portnoy. The drumming is just so good if you're listening for it, but it doesn't stick-out as trying to show-off at all. Mangini is just such a great drummer, and I think comparing him to Portnoy will eventually feel like comparing Rudess to Sherinian. That's not a slight to either of those guys. But Mangini is just on a whole new level.
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
I did the same thing. MM definately 'proves' (as if he had to) that he can handle drumming for DT. Can't wait to actually see him play With DT
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Okay, I have to chime in again. I cannot get the chorus out of my head. It is just so perfect with JP's guitar underneath "Tears fall from the shameless...." part. Goosebumps. It gives me a wonderful vibe like the middle melodic section of ANTR
If the rest of the album is in this vein of creativity, I am all in.
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So, I just listened to the song and I have to tell that - I wasn't expecting that kind of song but it very good, Jordan is very hearable, JP solo is great, Mangini's ending of the song is a killer...and Myung - he is louder than on BC&SL. I will have to listen to it one more time, it's gonna be a great album, probably the best since Scenes... Has got a lot of Learning To Live vibe in the ending, don't you think?
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
Mine too. I keep hearing different little tid bits with every listen. MM sounds amazing on this song.
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
Yeah. I listened in depth, and my post about it was probably buried somewhere in all the fanfare, but a close listening to the drumming on the track is really rewarding. Mangini is doing things that I just didn't expect to ever hear from Portnoy. The drumming is just so good if you're listening for it, but it doesn't stick-out as trying to show-off at all. Mangini is just such a great drummer, and I think comparing him to Portnoy will eventually feel like comparing Rudess to Sherinian. That's not a slight to either of those guys. But Mangini is just on a whole new level.
I believe you guys since the three of us have a good amount of similar taste and views. I'll relisten for the drums.
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I've only listened to it twice, and I don't want to overdo it. I don't want to get to a stage where I'm finding myself constantly listening to this song over and over. To me it sounds so fresh, I want to try and keep it that way.
Your self control is admirable my friend.
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but it doesn't stick-out as trying to show-off at all.
I am going to try and say this without sounding like a dick towards MP, so let it be known that I love MP and he is the reason I got into DT. But the difference to me as you pointed out could simply be the opposite 'egos'. MP admittedly was a control freak and had the whole OCD thing and what not. It's safe to say he 'needed' his drums to stick out and to be heard to satisfy his own issues.
MM has admitted that he is there to help those guys produce great music and is extremely grateful for the opportunity. His lack of 'assertive' over the top drumming is not a detrement to DT at all...in fact it's something (judging from this one song) that they've really exploited in a good way. MM and MP are both phoenominal virtuostic players....with two different styles. I am pumped to hear an album of MM's style as DT's drummer.
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8. Drums are there, serving their purpose. I never expected some blowout performance from Mangini. Yes, some fantastic drumming, but nothing like "WOW BEST EVAR." He fits in, and it's actually nice to not have predictable drum fills every song. Drums are a bit low in the mix, I agree on that.
First couple of listens, that was my impression. Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
Yeah. I listened in depth, and my post about it was probably buried somewhere in all the fanfare, but a close listening to the drumming on the track is really rewarding. Mangini is doing things that I just didn't expect to ever hear from Portnoy. The drumming is just so good if you're listening for it, but it doesn't stick-out as trying to show-off at all. Mangini is just such a great drummer, and I think comparing him to Portnoy will eventually feel like comparing Rudess to Sherinian. That's not a slight to either of those guys. But Mangini is just on a whole new level.
Same here. I don't mean that as a slight to MP at all--he is and will likely always be one of my favorite drummers (he is probably still my TOP favorite at the moment). But, yeah, Magini is doing some things that are mindblowing. And since MP already blew my mind many times over throughout the years, this is like an exponential mindblowing to the extent that my mind is blown just trying to comprehend how much my mind is being blown.
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OK, yeah, there is great drumming there. Especially the cymbal work. Another "exceeds expectation," then!
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Now that I've had a few listens, I must say that I love this song. It sounds so much more coherent than just about anything they've done since I&W. I love how much this song drives forward throughout, reminding me much like 80's Rush or early 90's Fates Warning. If this is typical of the new album, then we are certainly going to have a real winner.
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this is like an exponential mindblowing to the extent that my mind is blown just trying to comprehend how much my mind is being blown.
:rollin
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alright i'm not seeing anything anywhere about it but that album art is a joke, right
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Not that we know of.
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alright i'm not seeing anything anywhere about it but that album art is a joke, right
I wish it was...
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Agree, I think it's gonna be a winner. I like that song very much and it grows on me after each listening. Every instruments sound awsome, I can also ear old and new era in there, like it very much. :metal
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Now after my fourth listening and closing my eyes and really listening, well it's coming together more and more. I'm hearing some really sick transistions and breaks. The mix is sounding better too. I just wish I could here the cymbals more right now. I think the vocals are spot on for the mood and feel of the song.
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I am surprised so many are so surprised to hear piano on this tune, considering there is plenty of piano on practically every Rudess-era DT record.
Anyway, while this song sounds pretty cool, some of Rudess' patches yet again are a little iffy, but that is a minor gripe at this point. His lead part during the latter part of the intro is very Endless Sacrifice-ish.
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I think the lead works better here than it did with Endless Sacrifice. I feel this lead adds some tension to the intro, whereas Endless Sacrifice is like "lol sad lead"
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I am surprised so many are so surprised to hear piano on this tune, considering there is plenty of piano on practically every Rudess-era DT record.
Anyway, while this song sounds pretty cool, some of Rudess' patches yet again are a little iffy, but that is a minor gripe at this point. His lead part during the latter part of the intro is very Endless Sacrifice-ish.
I don't think the piano has ever been the main solo though, or not as prominent
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I am surprised so many are so surprised to hear piano on this tune, considering there is plenty of piano on practically every Rudess-era DT record.
I think it's more about "Rudess solo that works well at the onset?! WHAT!?"
I think the lead works better here than it did with Endless Sacrifice. I feel this lead adds some tension to the intro, whereas Endless Sacrifice is like "lol sad lead"
Bro, do not hate on ES or that nice sad lead.
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New song is alright. Nothing incredible or unpredictable, but it's a nice change of pace for the band.
The album art is a joke.
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The album art is a joke.
wow, rude.
Im not laughing,
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Okay.
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Am I the only one who likes the album art? I don't understand it, which is what I like about it. It's thought provoking and totally unexpected.
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Same here. I don't mean that as a slight to MP at all--he is and will likely always be one of my favorite drummers (he is probably still my TOP favorite at the moment). But, yeah, Magini is doing some things that are mindblowing. And since MP already blew my mind many times over throughout the years, this is like an exponential mindblowing to the extent that my mind is blown just trying to comprehend how much my mind is being blown.
umm...that's a lot of blowing..... :lol
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Album art is refreshing and the tune is great. There are bad things I could find about both of course but just gonna enjoy it!
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Okay.
get over yourself.
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Okay.
get over yourself.
WTF? :lol
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I am surprised so many are so surprised to hear piano on this tune, considering there is plenty of piano on practically every Rudess-era DT record.
I think it's more about "Rudess solo that works well at the onset?! WHAT!?"
Or more: "YES!!!! NO BEBOT SOLO!!! AND WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MORE PIANO AND WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED!!!"
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Okay.
get over yourself.
WTF? :lol
Raven, your comment on the art was not needed, it was not constructive in the least bit. HOA, watch how you react with people, report a post if it's against the rules.
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This song is good, but it isn't catchy at all. That's the biggest complaint about it.
I give it a 6/10.
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Yes
sorry Raven
Im just touchy when it comes to DTyou didnt deserve that..
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I was bored on the first listen... waiting for the moment of awesomeness :corn which I must have missed :o
It's very reminiscent of other songs in the DT catalog but if this is the first release I hope that doesn't mean this is the best :|
Sorry to be a negative nancy
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This song is good, but it isn't catchy at all. That's the biggest complaint about it.
I give it a 6/10.
You must not like 99% of DT's catalog, because that 99% is not meant to be catchy. And it gets a 6 for not being catchy? Please elaborate on why you think it should be catchy.
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To the people saying the drums sound quiet - wait until the album comes out. The Youtube compression is bad for drum sounds.
Exactly. This is a very compressed version so the mixing can't be judged accurately.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
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This song is good, but it isn't catchy at all. That's the biggest complaint about it.
I give it a 6/10.
You must not like 99% of DT's catalog, because that 99% is not meant to be catchy. And it gets a 6 for not being catchy? Please elaborate on why you think it should be catchy.
Yeah! Don't you know that if you want to say the same thing in prog-land you say "unmemorable vocal melodies"?
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Oh sorry. I read catchy and not unmemorable vocal melodies. My bad I guess.
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Lol not my fault. He could have said that the vocals aren't catchy enough. I thought he meant the song as a whole.
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Im on your side.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
fuck, no. Catchiness and pop music are related, but that doesn't mean prog or metal can't be catchy. That's like, one of the biggest stereotypes of prog (OMG LOTS OF TIME SIGNATURES AND WEIRD THINGS THAT I CAN ONLY DIGEST!) and it kinda sucks.
And for the record, GaGa has some cool stuff.
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all this talk about the drums being low, they come in strong and even the snare has kick, but as James comes in it then lowers into the mix for whatever reason if anyone else has noticed this..... also is it just me or does some of the palm muted guitar riffs in the beginning and end remind you of the beginning of raw dog
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
fuck, no. Catchiness and pop music are related, but that doesn't mean prog or metal can't be catchy. That's like, one of the biggest stereotypes of prog (OMG LOTS OF TIME SIGNATURES AND WEIRD THINGS THAT I CAN ONLY DIGEST!) and it kinda sucks.
And for the record, GaGa has some cool stuff.
wow, calm down.
and yes she does I guess. but DT isn't gaga.
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I'm chilled, don't worry. Discussing something doesn't mean I get crazy.
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its cool man :heart
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Am I the only one who likes the album art? I don't understand it, which is what I like about it. It's thought provoking and totally unexpected.
I'm with you. I love the album art.
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This song is good, but it isn't catchy at all. That's the biggest complaint about it.
I give it a 6/10.
You must not like 99% of DT's catalog, because that 99% is not meant to be catchy. And it gets a 6 for not being catchy? Please elaborate on why you think it should be catchy.
In my book, catchy mean attractive or appealing, something that can be easily remembered. When I first listened to DT, I could sing their songs at work because there was that special vibe to them.
OTBOA doesn't have that vibe. There's just nothing special about it.
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its cool man :heart
:heart :heart :heart
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I just listened to the song a couple more times at home using some good speakers. It sounds a lot better than it did with headphones but I still can't dig the song and I think I might be going mad cause everyone is saying how they love DT going back to the more proggy side but I still fail to see it myself! They have some proggy moments but the whole of the song just sounds to metal with some prog in it to me.
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all this talk about the drums being low, they come in strong and even the snare has kick, but as James comes in it then lowers into the mix for whatever reason if anyone else has noticed this.....
These are symptoms of compression. The whole thing also leans on the left channel. I'm sure the cd or lossless formats will sound fine. This always happens when a song is released on youtube before the actual release date.
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The intro is gorgeous. But I just can't dig the rest of the song.
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This song is good, but it isn't catchy at all. That's the biggest complaint about it.
I give it a 6/10.
You must not like 99% of DT's catalog, because that 99% is not meant to be catchy. And it gets a 6 for not being catchy? Please elaborate on why you think it should be catchy.
In my book, catchy mean attractive or appealing, something that can be easily remembered. When I first listened to DT, I could sing their songs at work because there was that special vibe to them.
OTBOA doesn't have that vibe. There's just nothing special about it.
Ahh, I see what you mean then. Interesting.
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Am I the only one who likes the album art? I don't understand it, which is what I like about it. It's thought provoking and totally unexpected.
I'm with you. I love the album art.
I love you man.
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The song's nice when I'm listening to it but none of it sticks with me afterward. Maybe it'll grow on me later, who knows.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
I think all he meant was that this song didn't grab him. There's no need to psychoanalyze his post. Catchy is a big blanket term, and suitably so.
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The song's nice when I'm listening to it but none of it sticks with me afterward. Maybe it'll grow on me later, who knows.
This.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
I have no problem with you, please stop singleing me out
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Just got to listen to it. I like it a lot.
The good:
1) The entire 2-3 minute intro or whatever is awesome. As is the piano break, etc...Petrucci and Rudess doing some very good things in this song.
2) Drums and bass sound great, although I can hear less drums and more bass than on recent DT albums. Luckily I'm not musically astute enough for it to bother me either way.
3) I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I think the lyrics are pretty good. Sound like Petrucci's work, but they could be Myung's.
The bad:
1) The vocal melodies aren't that great or interesting. They're okay, but I expected a bigger chorus from a single. Given that, LaBrie's vocals are good I think.
2) Petrucci's solo. It's hardly bad or anything, but it sounds really...familiar.
Didn't read the entire thread, so apologies if these opinions are either very common or especially disagreeable.
-J
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I just listened to the song a couple more times at home using some good speakers. It sounds a lot better than it did with headphones but I still can't dig the song and I think I might be going mad cause everyone is saying how they love DT going back to the more proggy side but I still fail to see it myself! They have some proggy moments but the whole of the song just sounds to metal with some prog in it to me.
I wouldn't worry. JP said that this album as a whole wouldn't sound as bombastic as the last couple. Well, this song sounds fairly bombastic to me, which makes a really good opener. I'm sure the rest of the album will be filled with plenty of proggy moments and not all as metal sounding.
Personally, I love the song and was relieved to hear it. I was afraid they might lose their metal side for some reason. Now I know that DT is still DT. Looking forward to hear the album as a whole. Let another countdown begin.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
I have no problem with you, please stop singleing me out
You're right. I need copious and excessive amounts of lengthy prog metal before ever allowing myself to have an opinion on catchiness. I'm so inferior :(
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
I have no problem with you, please stop singleing me out
You're right. I need copious and excessive amounts of lengthy prog metal before ever allowing myself to have an opinion on catchiness. I'm so inferior :(
uhm, when did I ever say that? Can you please stop putting words in my mouth?
what did I do to you, seriously?
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
I have no problem with you, please stop singleing me out
(https://i.imgur.com/vlbgJ.jpg)
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
By being right. DT themselves have already put out a ton of catchy tunes/melodies over the years. All catchy means is that it's memorable; that it sticks in your head even when you're done listening. Or an earworm.
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catchy means poppy, go listen to gaga... .
No it doesn't. That's ridiculous.
looked at your last.fm.... LOL how can you even comment on such a thing??
By being right. DT themselves have already put out a ton of catchy tunes/melodies over the years. All catchy means is that it's memorable; that it sticks in your head even when you're done listening. Or an earworm.
Yes
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It's not the big catchy chorus but it's still got some hooks. Not all music needs to have hooks all over the place.
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
I definitely hear PMU and AROP, not so much Forsaken.
Did the fast roll on the floor tom leading into the pre-solo at 6:04 catch anyone off-guard? I wasn't expecting it, but I didn't quite know what style to expect from Mangini, given I never heard his drumming outside of the documentary. It leads in really well, strangely.
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I just looked at my LastFM and decided that I couldn't comment on the catchiness of the song.
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:lol
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I just looked at my LastFM and decided that I couldn't comment on the catchiness of the song.
:lol
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-sigh- Im sorry?
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I just looked at my LastFM and decided that I couldn't comment on the catchiness of the song.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'd suggest going back ontopic, but DTF is the epitome of topic tengents.
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I think you guys misunderstood what i said
or do all new members go through this?
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-sigh- Im sorry?
You will be
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wtf??
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wtf??
This explains the entire community and message board in the form of a simple, concise acronym.
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-sigh- Im sorry?
You need to loosen up man. Most of the fans here love the song. You don't need to defend them so hard. Just tell Ravenheart, be quiet Indie boy!! Right Ravenheart?! :lol
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
I definitely hear PMU and AROP, not so much Forsaken.
I was feeling Forsaken from the chorus and the crunchy powerchords like those at 4:25ish and in the outro.
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-sigh- Im sorry?
You need to loosen up man. Most of the fans here love the song. You don't need to defend them so hard. Just tell Ravenheart, be quiet Indie boy!! Right Ravenheart?! :lol
oh ok... Im still getting used to everything... i guess this is just the humor type here?? :)
I love you guys
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be quiet Indie boy!!
(https://josiahneo.com/gifs/sad%20okay.png)
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That's better!!
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be quiet Indie boy!!
(https://josiahneo.com/gifs/sad%20okay.png)
-hugs- :)
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Listening for the first time now, found this out by accident ( :tup for the news line that has jokes instead of this)
Is it only streaming or will it be available on itunes? and is this the final album cover?
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:rollin
Listening for the first time now, found this out by accident ( :tup for the news line that has jokes instead of this)
Is it only streaming or will it be available on itunes? and is this the final album cover?
No one knows anything for sure.
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wtf??
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
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wtf??
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
can you please leave me alone?
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wtf??
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
can you please leave me alone?
hory shit that was awesome
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Stop being such a bully, Acid.
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wtf??
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
can you please leave me alone?
Tolerating AcidRainLTE is in the forum rules.
Loving him is something we chose to do.
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Hey guys, Heaven Outcry Angel is trying to back off. I know I'm not a mod or anything special, but can we give the guy a break? He's new here and not used to it all. Peace!
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be quiet Indie boy!!
(https://josiahneo.com/gifs/sad%20okay.png)
:-* :-* :-*
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wtf??
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
can you please leave me alone?
Tolerating AcidRainLTE is in the forum rules.
Loving him is something we chose to do.
why you disrespect egypt in your post
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I cannot seem to avoid it :lol
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I hear why people here are saying that JR is the highlight of this song and I guess the reason is that he restrained himself, and because of that he shone.
Intro: "Oh, dear God. I hear a continuum... we had that in Octavarium. Please no. Oh, we actually didn't. :tup
After the first verse: the patches are not over used and he fits really well. (Maybe due to this low quality mix) it seems there's a lot of silent notes which benefit the song.
The Chorus: his dramatic and a little bit of gothic chorus sound benefit the song.
Piano break: A very restrained and very tasteful segment. Not overdone but succinct.
Outro: great patch that bodes a well farewell.
This song wasn't intended to be a highlight for the keyboards and JP, as a producer, used the best of JR to benefit the song where it was needed. A wise choice of his talent. The mentality of On the Backs of Angels was give equilibrium to each instrument; not the idea of OMG EVERYBODY PLEASE SHINE IN A WANKY WAY AND YOU'LL ALSO BE HIGH ON THE MIX!
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Eh, Heaven_Outcry_Angel, don't worry about it. I made a thread back in August asking which member would pull a Kevin Moore. People told me I was stupid and that no one would leave. 3 weeks later, Portnoy left the band :lol
No one can stoop to that level
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I'm surprised that there are only 3 scrobbles on last.fm
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Eh, Heaven_Outcry_Angel, don't worry about it. I made a thread back in August asking which member would pull a Kevin Moore. People told me I was stupid and that no one would leave. 3 weeks later, Portnoy left the band :lol
No one can stoop to that level
Holy shit, that must've been during my DTF sabbatical, I totally missed that.
Champ.
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not bad drum composition by JP..still have old DT groove..hehe.
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Sadly, my first though upon seeing the art; "nooo, this means a blue DTF theme in Sept. :("
Neat song, but I agree with those who say the intro is fantastic, but the body unmemorable. Here's hoping it'l grow on us, huh?
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
Interesting perspective... Personally, I think all 3 of those songs are examples of DT Metal and Non-proggy. In this song, I hear a lot of "Prog" Guess we all hear things differently :)
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Happily, my first thought upon seeing the art; "Yay, this means a blue DTF theme in Sept! :tup"
Fix'd :biggrin:
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Happily, my first thought upon seeing the art; "Yay, this means a blue DTF theme in Sept! :tup"
Fix'd :biggrin:
And for emphasis! :tup
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
Interesting perspective... Personally, I think all 3 of those songs are examples of DT Metal and Non-proggy. In this song, I hear a lot of "Prog" Guess we all hear things differently :)
I think it's more the love child of Pull Me Under and Acid Rain.
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I really enjoy the Groove and the Bass fill.
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This sounds like the lovechild of Pull Me Under, Forsaken, and A Rite of Passage.
Interesting perspective... Personally, I think all 3 of those songs are examples of DT Metal and Non-proggy. In this song, I hear a lot of "Prog" Guess we all hear things differently :)
I think it's more the love child of Pull Me Under and Acid Rain.
Now that I get :tup I hear lots of SFAM keyboards, with a dash of 8v
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Happily, my first thought upon seeing the art; "Yay, this means a blue DTF theme in Sept! :tup"
Fix'd :biggrin:
And for emphasis! :tup
Fine :P but it had better be sky blue, none of that baby blue knock off.
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ok so after listening to this for the umpteenth time, i'm in love. Initially, I was clouded with doubt and ambiguity: the cover alluding to circus maximus (amongst other artists) coupled with the new dynamic of Mangini and the other musicians being VERY provident this time around... there is so much to take in, and my judgment and ability to just enjoy it was clouded by these factors. But it just grows on you with every listen. It feels so right!
I actually like the way Mangini fits in: I feel his role is very supportive in this tune (and most likely for the remainder of the album), which is why he blends in to the song and can be hard to notice (for instance, following jordans keys on cymbals, Petrucci's riffs with his feet (simultaneously mind you omgwtf?!?!)). He also plays VERY dynamically (listen to the accenting on the snare). These elements are, at least IMO, in striking contrast to Mike Portnoy, who was constantly loud (metal DT) and, besides maybe following guitars, on a rhythmic tangent and musically less supportive. This is a very generic assumption about MP, but I think thats the key difference in the new band dynamic: DT now have a drummer who is really out to emphasize the other musicians and give the tunes a super solid foundation.
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ok so after listening to this for the umpteenth time, i'm in love. Initially, I was clouded with doubt and ambiguity: the cover alluding to circus maximus (amongst other artists) coupled with the new dynamic of Mangini and the other musicians being VERY provident this time around... there is so much to take in, and my judgment and ability to just enjoy it was clouded by these factors. But it just grows on you with every listen. It feels so right!
I actually like the way Mangini fits in: I feel his role is very supportive in this tune (and most likely for the remainder of the album), which is why he blends in to the song and can be hard to notice (for instance, following jordans keys on cymbals, Petrucci's riffs with his feet (simultaneously mind you omgwtf?!?!)). He also plays VERY dynamically (listen to the accenting on the snare). These elements are, at least IMO, in striking contrast to Mike Portnoy, who was constantly loud (metal DT) and, besides maybe following guitars, on a rhythmic tangent and musically less supportive. This is a very generic assumption about MP, but I think thats the key difference in the new band dynamic: DT now have a drummer who is really out to emphasize the other musicians and give the tunes a super solid foundation.
Very well put... I agree :tup
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Stop being such a bully, Acid.
Stop not getting my humour, ehra and new guy.
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12 hour wait to get home from work and listen with decent sound quality was made much worse by spending my down time at work reading everyone else's reactions in this thread on my phone. I'm definitely digging the song though. A few other people have thrown the word organic around, and I think that nails it for me. As much as I enjoy listening to AROP sometimes (to compare to DTs last album opener), that transition from the solo section into the chorus is incredibly unwieldy/ham handed. Everything here seems to flow much more naturally though. I was already looking forward to the new album, but my anticipation has definitely ratcheted up a notch :tup
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Nearly 215,000 views on the video, i think it's safe to say this was probably the most viewed vid on YT yesterday. :tup
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I'm in. I like what I've heard here. I don't see any reason to over-analyze. It's what I was hoping for...and I would love to hear more.
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Stop being such a bully, Acid.
Stop not getting my humour, ehra and new guy.
wow, that's your "humor"? grow up.
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No, it's my "humour". You missed out the "u".
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Im speaking English, not sure about you. Its definitively humor.
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Actually that'd be American. In England there's a u.
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Welcome to differences between the UK and America.
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Colors.
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Between the Buried and Me can't spell.
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yes well DT is an American band.
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Well, I guess that means I have to spell like an American.
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no, it means I dont have to spell like a whatever you are
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Yes, I know...I was just winding you up...
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Well, I guess that means I have to misspell everything like an American.
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Besides the kinda bad lyrics and JR's annoying riffs (or w/e they are called) the song is pretty good. Love his piano moment and JP's solo is quite nice.
Anyone else thinks JR is a bit too high in the mix or at least the youtube version of the song and the drums are quite muffled (watched at 720p).
A minute shorter wouldn't have hurt the song, imo. I'm... optimistic about the rest of the material.
Too bad I'm not educated enough on the subject to notice Mangini's influence in the song. Hope the other songs have a more obvious way of showing that to us.
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Then I listened again with a focus on the drums. My mind is now blown.
I really like the part at 2:09 where Mike plays on the hihat in accordance to what JR plays, and on the bass drums following JP.
That was a "holy shit" moment for me.
Seriously, listen to what Nikatapi pointed out here....it is mind blowing.
I still love MP drum parts, but I very much like what I'm hearing here too. On the surface, it seems to fit into DT just like MP's parts...but I think there are some hidden gems that are really interesting and new to DT. My impression at this point: whereas many of MP's great parts were "skeletal" to the song and provided the rockin' framework, MM's part on this seemed more reactive to what the others were doing. Probably partially a result of the songs being written before he got into his parts....but if you listen to MM's comments on TSCO vids (and other interviews), he does seem to give alot of thought into understanding and reacting to what other musicians are doing.
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Yes, I know...I was just winding you up...
oh, sorry....
:heart :heart :heart
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:heart
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Aww, happy ending. =D
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Am I the only one who finds that JP's guitar tone isn't his best? I would've liked a more energic, a more lighter guitar sound.
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I thought JPs guitar tone was freakin' stellar! at least from a metal perspective. While I am a guitarist myself, I'm not exactly a tone buff :lol but I was blown away by JP's tone and overall performance.
+ honours for the video atm (50) o________0
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One thing I noticed after listening several times: JM and MM fit together perfectly. JM is following MM more than JP, which is a nice change and results in a noticeable (and welcome) change in groove.
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AcidRainLTE and Heaven Outcry Angel (in no particular order), I strongly suggest that the two of you just ignore each other for the time being. Given that Nick has already given a warning in the thread, one more off-topic, baiting post from either of you earns you a vacation. And I'm not in the mood for parsing out just how close to the line you can get, so please don't try to toe the line. Either post about what the thread is about, or don't post in it.
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I dont feel like going through pages and pages of discussion on many threads, but has anyone seen this yet? :lol
(https://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/30783/DTADRAMATICTURNOFEVENTS4_copy_copy.jpg)
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I dont feel like going through pages and pages of discussion on many threads, but has anyone seen this yet? :lol
(https://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/30783/DTADRAMATICTURNOFEVENTS4_copy_copy.jpg)
OH, YES! :hefdaddy
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I depise magical ponies. When I become president, I will eradicate them from exixtence.
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Just so long as you leave them in existence.
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Best DT song in years. Bring on the album.
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WOW I am very impressed with this song and am so excited for the new album.
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In years? I love the song, I listened to it about 20 times already and It hasn't gotten old yet. I think they have released some really good material on the last couple albums, especially BC&SL. TOT through SC are kind of hit or miss. I like MM a lot and the rest of the band sounds reborn. The only thing bad are the lyrics but I don't recall Dream Theater ever having lyrics that I cared about...Who listens to DT for lyrics :loser:
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Happy fan here, can´t wait for the whole thing :heart
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I listen to DT's lyrics closely. These lyrics elevate the song to sublime levels. can't touch 'em, they're exactly what I was hoping for.
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Weird that vocals always reminds me of JLB's Mullmuzzler times.
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I am surprised so many are so surprised to hear piano on this tune, considering there is plenty of piano on practically every Rudess-era DT record.
It's more in how it was used. I did get a brief "Blind Faith" flashback, though without as much payoff.
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I actually didn't care much for the piano section, it seemed Jordan fell back into his "let's hit as many notes as I can while do descending arps as often as I can".
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I actually didn't care much for the piano section, it seemed Jordan fell back into his "let's hit as many notes as I can while do descending arps as often as I can".
and it was awesome!!
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But for most of the track he's laying down the atmosphere and not overplaying.
Anyway, it's Jordan Rudess, what did you expect?
I like how well the continuum works in OTBOA, and how every album JR keeps using it to great effect
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There's an interesting comment on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08
Did anyone notice that the whole arrangement is completly identical to "Pull me under"?
- Intro: First acoustic guitar intro, drums start with tom breaks followed by keyboard melody, then the whole band comes in
- Pre verse: guitar riff, stakkato keyboards, stakkato drumbreak
- 1. verse + bridge + short instrumental
- 2. verse + uptempo bridge + short melodic break leading into first chorus
- 1. chorus
- Riff with stakkato keys again
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Sounds to me like over-analysis
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It also has five words in it
Pull me under has three letters in it
The difference is two
And ADTOE is five words
And IAW has 3 words
Another difference is two
My rating for OTBOA is 9
My rating of PMU is 7
OMGWTFBBQ
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To be fair the structure is identical to PMU, in more ways that could just be coincidence...
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I don't really see any similitudes between PMU and OTBOA...
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Yes, the elements are different (riffs, melodies, sound, ...) but the structure as outlined by the guy on youtube really seems to apply to both. I know you DTFers are sick with overanalysis and made-up ripoff accusations but just look at this with a fresh mind. Nobody's saying this is a PMU ripoff but I find the structural similarities beyond randomness.
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I totally agree that its that same kind of structure. I actually described it earlier as Pull Me Under as written for SDOIT and Elements of Persuasion. LTE is there too.
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5th listen and it is getting better and better. I still think that the chorus is a bit too cheesy, but the rest is great, especially the intro. It gives me hope that they might have recovered from the BCSL desaster. 8.5/10
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231,368 views in 18 hours. Thats a fucking geat achievement. :metal
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Even if desaster was a word, BC&SL wouldn't be anywhere near it.
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231,368 views in 18 hours. Thats a fucking geat achievement. :metal
The Machine Head single Locust has been up there for 3 weeks and has 270k views. 232k in 18 hours is RIDICULOUS. I guess a load of people are just satisfying curiosity though.
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Meest bekeken = most watched
Hoogst beoordeeld = highest rating/rated
LOL
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OK, I like it.
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Meest bekeken = most watched
Hoogst beoordeeld = highest rating/rated
LOL
"Verenigd Koninkrijk," I figure, is possibly United Kingdom? With "Verenigd" a bit like the German "vereinigt," and "konin" means king..?
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þæt wæs god cyning!
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Listening now, I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's a lot of things I really like, but none of them seem to have much of a 'punch', so to speak.
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OTBOA has a subtle Pull Me Under vibe when the drums start to enter behind the acoustic and also in the end. It's not a big thing but you should be able to put your finger on it...
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Listening now, I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's a lot of things I really like, but none of them seem to have much of a 'punch', so to speak.
This was my feeling.
It sounded like a musical omlet being made. There's just shit thrown in everywhere. Then a quiet section in the middle where they flipped it to let it cook. I'll give it a couple more spins. For now, it's just..."ok".
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Well, I guess that means I have to misspell everything like an American.
Quad, thcke thut back, U R a Merican.
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After 1 day of listening and taking everything in, the biggest strength of this song is that it's inspiration seems to
be DT and not Muse or Metallica or any other band. For the first time in what seems like ages it seems they REALLY
wanted to go back to the drawing board and acheive the sound that drew leigions of us fans in back in 1991.
HUGE kudos to the band.
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Meest bekeken = most watched
Hoogst beoordeeld = highest rating/rated
LOL
"Verenigd Koninkrijk," I figure, is possibly United Kingdom? With "Verenigd" a bit like the German "vereinigt," and "konin" means king..?
lol yeah sorry should've translated those things too :P
EDIT: translated it!
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After a good night sleep I like it even better than before.
The combo of clean guitar and synth in the intro makes a really smooth sound together. When the choir comes in, the mood reminds me a bit of Coheed and Cambria's Welcome Home, actually... Only 1000x more awesome!
Someone's been complaining about JR's excessive playing. I do not agree at all, and I actually love everything he does in this song. The arpeggio patches he uses has that good old LTE sound over them, and it's awesome!
And the verses are really cool! I like how MM plays each of them differently and how JLB sings in them ("Standing on the backs .... OF ANGELS). I'm not hearing enough love for the instrumental part before the bass break, though... :) The part after the guitar solo should have been longer. At least twice as long...
I can understand the mentions of the lack of memorable/catchy vocal lines/chorus. DT/JLB has them all over the place (from the top of my head: One More Time, The Great Debate or Home), and IMO if the chorus in OtBoA was just a tad better, this would be one of the absolute best DT song in many many years. But I'm a sucker for awesome instrumental parts, and this song has them! :metal
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After numerous listens the last two days (and will not listen any more until the album comes out in September), I like the song, but I'm nowhere near "blown away". The song has many good moments but nothing special stands out to me. Yes, it's less "metal" than the last 2 initial singles and a little more "progressive", but where's the "ooomph"? Also, I'm not crazy about JLB's vocals on the song, nor Jordan's constant (and needless) doodling (I'm really starting to believe that he's been a weak link since SC). Anyway, good song and can't wait for the album in September. I just need to be "blown away" again by DT, which really hasn't happened since TOT!
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Finally listened to it and I'm not impressed, kinda indifferent to the song. As others have said, the song is pretty forgettable overall. I'd give it a 5/10. Some points:
1. Those comments about them being more proggy and less metal made me curious, but after listening to the song I say it's just wishful thinking. The song is heavy in the same way many recent DT songs are. Listen to the sections beginning at 1:54, 2:38, 4:24. That is recent DT at its fullest expression. The guitar tooooooone and work, the orchestration, the layering of the instruments, everything is a revisit to Constant Motion or AROP.
2. By the way, Constant Motion and AROP were better. At least, they had memorable moments (the main riff, the extremelly cool guitar work during the second verse and the guitar solo in AROP, the transition to the instrumental section in Constant Motion were excellent) but here we have nothing. Those singles were energetic, this song has no energy. The riffs are not catchy and the vocal melodies are extremely bland, especially during the chorus where even the music is lackluster. No fun, no excitement, nothing you can sing along to.
3. Jordan shines in this song, his parts were my favorite. The other guys seemed to play just because they had to write a song, "so let's play something here", but sound very uninspired, especially James.
4. It's good to hear JM again. It would have been better if he played at least 1 interesting bassline in the whole song.
5. The drums are Ok, I don't think they're mixed too low, but the kick bass is too prominent IMO.
6. The outro is very good.
And yes, I hope it'll grow on me :)
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I like how Canada's named didn't need to/couldn't be translated :lol
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wow rena...we're opposite
I've listened to it a couple times and mentally tuned out Jordan and bammo the song is better.
I love the vocals.
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Listened to it a few times now. Overall I thinks it's a very good song and I like that it has a feel of some of their older, more proggy material. A few thoughts:
1) I like the song structure, everything flows well from section to section without any awkward instrumental solo sections thrown in.
2) The song feels modern in it's production and instrumentation but doesn't feel like anything from SC or BCSL.
3) The drums are great, but I do feel they could of been pushed a little louder in the mix.
4) I like what JR does with keys in the song, but I hate, hate, hate his piano solo...way too many notes. I'm glad that section is short.
I think this is a great step in the right direction for DT and a return to what fans love about them in their songwriting. Looking forward to hearing more from the full album.
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I would have to agree with what was said earlier on, that this song sounds like the logical progression from SDOIT, with *some* elements of the more recent material mixed in. Also to reneranucci's observation that it's still more metal than prog, I would venture to say that while that's true, it's metal of a significantly tamer variety than in, say, ANTR or TDEN.
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Woke up and listened to it (probably my 6th listen or so).
It is aging very well already. And it seems to get catchier.
Sometimes a song doesn't have to smack you in the face on the first few listens to keep you in. Really seems like a grower.
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im more of a show-er myself.
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Woke up and listened to it (probably my 6th listen or so).
It is aging very well already. And it seems to get catchier.
Sometimes a song doesn't have to smack you in the face on the first few listens to keep you in. Really seems like a grower.
Yes. Usually the songs which you like instantly are the ones you get tired of quicker. The songs which don't hit you straight away sometimes end up being your favourites.
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Woke up and listened to it (probably my 6th listen or so).
It is aging very well already. And it seems to get catchier.
Sometimes a song doesn't have to smack you in the face on the first few listens to keep you in. Really seems like a grower.
This exactly. All of it.
Some of the grandiose statements and generalisations in this thread amuse me.
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Yes, the elements are different (riffs, melodies, sound, ...) but the structure as outlined by the guy on youtube really seems to apply to both.
The way he describes both songs, yes. But that is partly because he describes the structure in such broad, general terms that you could actually fit quite a few songs under that umbrella.
Hoogst beoordeeld
I definitely hoogst beoordeeld when I heard this song, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one who did.
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Listened to it for the first time. Did not even know it was coming out.
Don't like a lot of the keyboards, but piano was cool. Solo was good, until the predictable ending.
I quite like the chorus.
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Listened to it for the first time. Did not even know it was coming out.
Don't like a lot of the keyboards, but piano was cool. Solo was good, until the predictable ending.
I quite like the chorus.
Did it make you hoogst beoordeeld? :heart
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Listened to it for the first time. Did not even know it was coming out.
Don't like a lot of the keyboards, but piano was cool. Solo was good, until the predictable ending.
I quite like the chorus.
Predictable or not, the ending kicks ass.
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Listened to it for the first time. Did not even know it was coming out.
Don't like a lot of the keyboards, but piano was cool. Solo was good, until the predictable ending.
I quite like the chorus.
Did it make you hoogst beoordeeld? :heart
Nee, ik begroot dat een zeven.
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I've been listening to this song for quite a bit since yesterday.
I love it so far, so far i have enjoyed it more than anything on the last 2 albums.
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Hoogst beoordeeld
I definitely hoogst beoordeeld when I heard this song, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one who did.
The song didn't just make me hoogst beoordeeld, I trok ook een Mangini-gezicht.
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Listened to it for the first time. Did not even know it was coming out.
Don't like a lot of the keyboards, but piano was cool. Solo was good, until the predictable ending.
I quite like the chorus.
Did it make you hoogst beoordeeld? :heart
Nee, ik begroot dat een zeven.
You always seem to know just what to say.
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Does hoogst beoordeeld translate to "Mangini'd" in English?
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This reminds me of 'hkklo dtfppy ne'.
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Does hoogst beoordeeld translate to "Mangini'd" in English?
No, it means Highest rated.
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:)
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This reminds me of 'hkklo dtfppy ne'.
Only in the Netherlands. :neverusethis:
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Where can you good people see those statistics?
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This reminds me of 'hkklo dtfppy ne'.
Only in the Netherlands. :neverusethis:
And parts of Belgium.
And some islands in the Antilles.
:neverusethis:
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This reminds me of 'hkklo dtfppy ne'.
Only in the Netherlands. :neverusethis:
And parts of Belgium.
And some islands in the Antilles.
And a sizeable portion of Africa.
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Does hoogst beoordeeld translate to "Mangini'd" in English?
No, it means Highest rated.
Which everyone knows is a euphemism for "Mangini'd."
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Does hoogst beoordeeld translate to "Mangini'd" in English?
No, it means Highest rated.
Which everyone knows is a euphemism for "Mangini'd."
Oh, yeah, I forgot. Sorry. ;D
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I listened to it a lot in the last 24 hours, and I gotta say, I'm pleased. I wanted a good song, I got a good song. Certainly nothing groundbreaking, but it has absolutely everything a Dream Theater song should have. Everybody is just on fire. Mangini played remarkable, John's solos sound fresh and beautiful, Jordan did an incredible piece of work, especially with the piano section, James nailed it, and Myung had some cool moments.
Some of my favorite sections... Well, the moment the choir kicked in I was blown away, and then there's that guitar riff. I love the bit before the verse starts, the verses are fine, but not as awesome as the chorus. I enjoy that groovy verse that reminded me of Strange Deja Vu ("Back on my feet again..."), and then there's that brutal transition before the last chorus.
Overall... Did anyone really think the song won't be good? Bring on the fuckin' album! :metal
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I thought it was pretty good.
I like to think Skrillex is one of the most creative guys in popular electronic music right now, but that Korn song is just terrible. Respect lost.
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Hoogst beoordeeld for me in a while :D
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I'm learning Dutch using Rosetta stone.
Leuk om je te ontemoeten.
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So I've listened to the tune a few times now but I'm quite late to the reaction party, so pardon me if I echo any sentiments already expressed here. Very solid tune, nothing extremely amazing but definitely far better than Constant Motion or A Rite of Passage as far as lead singles go. If the throwback to their older sound is indicative of how the whole album will sound then I'm definitely very excited! The little bit right after the guitar solo (which I think is great, textbook Petrucci) sounds like it could have fit right in on Images & Words.
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I'm learning Dutch using Rosetta stone.
Leuk om je te ontemoeten.
Ontmoeten, not ontemoeten. ;)
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To those who say the song is not memorable ... I agree. And that makes me keep going back to listen to it. I enjoy every second of listening to it, so I don't see a problem here.
But that is progressive music. It usually doesn't hook you on first listen, because the elements aren't simplified enough to stick in your memory. Once you start to become familiar with the road map, you start to really appreciate the different elements and that is the way it should be.
And Petrucci's tone... It's the best it has been since SDOIT.
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I'm learning Dutch using Rosetta stone.
Leuk om je te ontemoeten.
Ontmoeten, not ontemoeten. ;)
Hoe gaat het met jou?
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I'm learning Dutch using Rosetta stone.
Leuk om je te ontemoeten.
Ontmoeten, not ontemoeten. ;)
Hoe gaat het met jou?
Goed, en met jou?
(that was correct BTW)
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Please keep the Dutch to a minimum.
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There's an interesting comment on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08
Did anyone notice that the whole arrangement is completly identical to "Pull me under"?
- Intro: First acoustic guitar intro, drums start with tom breaks followed by keyboard melody, then the whole band comes in
- Pre verse: guitar riff, stakkato keyboards, stakkato drumbreak
- 1. verse + bridge + short instrumental
- 2. verse + uptempo bridge + short melodic break leading into first chorus
- 1. chorus
- Riff with stakkato keys again
I caught this too, even more specifically than mentioned by this guy. Listen to the breakdown section after the solos, Pull Me Under uses the same "breakdown" motif in the same part of its song.
Yes, DT used the same exact song structure in both, which is fine.
I expect Build Me Up, Break Me Down to be a short, tight and heavy song similar to Caught in a Web.
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Please keep the Dutch to a minimum.
But it's a learning experience for everyone!
Aw.
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This one's incredible folks! I listened to it yesterday at 11 on my phone while I was in line to ride the Diamondback roller coaster at Kings Island.
After having a day to digest it, I think musically it's one of the best things JR has ever done with the band. You could tell it was very Jordan-lead. Kinda felt like LTE meets Rhythm of Time in parts. The piano solo was incredible, and I expect to hear more piano on the album. The Korg Kronos has some amazing grands on it, and I know that Jordan uses Synthology's Ivory software. I think we are in store for Jordan's best album with DT.
JLB disappointed me at first. I wanted to hear soaring vocals, crazy highs, very memorable lines. But now after many listens, I understand how fitting his vocals are to this song. The last few albums, DT have made some really great choruses such as ANTR, AROP, Wither, Forsaken, etc... and this one is just as good. This album will have a much more controlled JLB, and not a JLtryingtobehetfieldB.
JMX had some incredibe lines in the song, was audible, and even had a mini solo!!! This really does remind me of IAW era JMX. I can't wait to see how much he influenced this album!!!
JP rocked this thing from the beginning! The intro was very interesting, and his solo was tasteful!! I'm in a post-hardcore band, and something I've been turned on to the last year or so is breakdowns. Near the end, it almost feels like a breakdown, which was really cool! I was simply impressed with his performance.
Mike blew me away. I knew he was going to come in and not miss a beat with the band, but it was the little things that made the difference. For example, the wind chimes during the JR solo, the incredible ride part around 3:00, and the beginning!!!! I just love everything he brings to the band!
Overall, this is an excellent song. If this song is any indication of what the album will be like, then we are in store for one of their greatest of all time. Each member seems simply inspired, and fresh! I was excited for the album before the single, but now I'm freakin j'in my p's!! I can't wait to hear the rest of it!!!
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To those who say the song is not memorable ... I agree. And that makes me keep going back to listen to it. I enjoy every second of listening to it, so I don't see a problem here.
But that is progressive music. It usually doesn't hook you on first listen, because the elements aren't simplified enough to stick in your memory. Once you start to become familiar with the road map, you start to really appreciate the different elements and that is the way it should be.
And Petrucci's tone... It's the best it has been since SDOIT.
You see, I was going to respond and agree with renarucci's post until I read yours (Although I still agree on everything he said from 'no memorable parts' to the end of his post). I only played this song again because, honestly, I couldn't remember a single melody, but I remembered it was a fun song. Again, I just finished it, can't remember anything about it, but I liked it, enjoyed it and it didn't feel like 8 minutes.
Prog music is really weird.
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that opening acoustic guitar riff... I don't think we have heard the last of that. I think it will make a ballsy re-appearance in the last track.
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it definitely is the fastest 8:46. doesnt drag at all to me. love it after a day and 10+ listens. trying to not listen to it all the time now
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it definitely is the fastest 8:46. doesnt drag at all to me. love it after a day and 10+ listens. trying to not listen to it all the time now
as opposed to AROP or Panic Attack
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it definitely is the fastest 8:46. doesnt drag at all to me. love it after a day and 10+ listens. trying to not listen to it all the time now
as opposed to AROP or Panic Attack
i love panic attack, and like the single edit of AROP much better. even though it cuts petrucci's solo
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Please keep the Dutch to a minimum.
Thank you.
Now, I think I'll just ask again :lol where did you guys get the statistics of most viewed videos and such?
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300,000 views in 24 hours is fairly impressive. Props for DT.
EDIT: Double post shit :lol
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Its not catchy or memorable but it is a well structured song and everything fits in with what the song is. JLB isn't over the top and gives what the song needs. The part I like and can't get out of my head is "We spiral toward disaster, survival fading faster"
I do agree it has the same structure as Pull Me Under, but its a good thing.
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Didn't see this mentioned anywhere.
I noticed that the sound quality never jumped up from 360p to 720p. I tried changing it during the song many times and listening very closely but could not hear the increase in quality. Anyone else notice this?
Btw the song was pretty good.
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it definitely is the fastest 8:46. doesnt drag at all to me. love it after a day and 10+ listens. trying to not listen to it all the time now
as opposed to AROP or Panic Attack
i love panic attack, and like the single edit of AROP much better. even though it cuts petrucci's solo
I love Panic Attack too, (and all of 8V for that matter), but you have to admit, it does 'feel' like an 8 minute song. Same with AROP (I never bothered with the 'radio edit'.
Wasn't criticizing those songs, just comparing similar length songs.
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A few months back, James tweeted that the first track oozes with emotion. Is it safe to still assume that this is the same track?
I don't feel it oozing with emotion, if so, but I definitely feel it oozing with "melodicness" especially the intro.
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Very nice song. Best single in a long time. Better than AROP (I'm starting to feel DT is teasing me with that F#-G-F#-thing through most of the song), CM, Forsaken and Wither. It is more progressive and strong than other singles they have.
And I think the "out-of-scale" notes in the intro sounds very much like Opeth. In a good way.
A few months back, James tweeted that the first track oozes with emotion. Is it safe to still assume that this is the same track?
I don't feel it oozing with emotion, if so, but I definitely feel it oozing with "melodicness" especially the intro.
They don't record in the same order as they are listen on the final album.
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Wither
Forsaken
Constant Motion
On The Backs Of Angels
A Rite Of Passage
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God DAMN, Labrie sounds so good on this song. I love the way he pronounces "slaughter" in the chorus.
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Constant Motion
On the Backs of Angels
Wither
Forsaken
A Rite of Passage
That's my ranking. I do love Constant Motion an unhealthy amount though.
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Its not catchy or memorable but it is a well structured song and everything fits in with what the song is. JLB isn't over the top and gives what the song needs. The part I like and can't get out of my head is "We spiral toward disaster, survival fading faster"
I do agree it has the same structure as Pull Me Under, but its a good thing.
Right, this song doesn't blow my mind or make me headbang like a madman, but it's a SOLID song. And I'm satisfied with that.
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To those who say the song is not memorable ... I agree. And that makes me keep going back to listen to it. I enjoy every second of listening to it, so I don't see a problem here.
But that is progressive music. It usually doesn't hook you on first listen, because the elements aren't simplified enough to stick in your memory. Once you start to become familiar with the road map, you start to really appreciate the different elements and that is the way it should be.
And Petrucci's tone... It's the best it has been since SDOIT.
You see, I was going to respond and agree with renarucci's post until I read yours (Although I still agree on everything he said from 'no memorable parts' to the end of his post). I only played this song again because, honestly, I couldn't remember a single melody, but I remembered it was a fun song. Again, I just finished it, can't remember anything about it, but I liked it, enjoyed it and it didn't feel like 8 minutes.
Prog music is really weird.
I think of it when I listened to The Yes Album for the first time. I really liked it but I couldn't remember much of it other than "I've Seen All Good People" (remembering it from the radio) and the last part of "Starship Trooper". unklejman has it right: it keeps bringing you back because of the feeling, not any hooks. It almost forces you to listen closer.
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Took me a while to warm up to the vocals and the melodies; I was expecting JLB to sing higher notes. But he fits very well into the song. BTW, I like the way he pronounces "towards" in the song.
I love having JM actually audible and present. Made me happy
JP had an awesome intro, pretty good solo. It took a while to warm up to the riffs
Mangini was nice, but I wish I could hear him better in the mix. Hopefully that'll change when the record comes out and will likely have better quality. He's definitely different than MP, but just as good, if not better. I'm also happy he didn't try to outshine and do too much or more than the song needed.
JR is definitely my favorite contributer to the song. The intro, the riffs (or whatever it's called), the interlude.
Overalll I'm very pleased; looking forward to seeing them live
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I don't feel like OTBOA is 8 minutes long. Very interesting song, great single ;)
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I'm also one that is finding it difficult to remember anything about this song but every now and again certain parts will just randomnly appear and get stuck in my mind for ages. D:
I think that probably my favourite thing about this song is how it's length is perfect. Even after a few listens I'm surprised that it's just under 9 minutes long. It feels like it's so much shorter then that.
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To those who say the song is not memorable ... I agree. And that makes me keep going back to listen to it. I enjoy every second of listening to it, so I don't see a problem here.
But that is progressive music. It usually doesn't hook you on first listen, because the elements aren't simplified enough to stick in your memory. Once you start to become familiar with the road map, you start to really appreciate the different elements and that is the way it should be.
And Petrucci's tone... It's the best it has been since SDOIT.
You see, I was going to respond and agree with renarucci's post until I read yours (Although I still agree on everything he said from 'no memorable parts' to the end of his post). I only played this song again because, honestly, I couldn't remember a single melody, but I remembered it was a fun song. Again, I just finished it, can't remember anything about it, but I liked it, enjoyed it and it didn't feel like 8 minutes.
Prog music is really weird.
I think of it when I listened to The Yes Album for the first time. I really liked it but I couldn't remember much of it other than "I've Seen All Good People" (remembering it from the radio) and the last part of "Starship Trooper". unklejman has it right: it keeps bringing you back because of the feeling, not any hooks. It almost forces you to listen closer.
That's honestly a great comparison, especially since The Yes Album is my favorite Yes album. Props for that. I kinda felt that there were unmemorable parts yesterday, but at work today I found myself humming a few of the melodies. :D
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"When All is Lost" by Symphony X has that same feeling, as in, it's 9 minutes long, but it doesn't really feel that long listening to it. I feel the same about OTBOA, it's just such a grand listen.
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"When All is Lost" by Symphony X has that same feeling, as in, it's 9 minutes long, but it doesn't really feel that long listening to it. I feel the same about OTBOA, it's just such a grand listen.
This.
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I can hear may or may not (probably and most certainly this) be musical connections to both A Rite of Passage and the 12-Step Suite.
After the last chorus there is a riff (surprise) and the last three notes sound surprisingly alot like some simular parts in AROP.
In the "We spiral towards disaster" verses, the bass notes are E - C# - C - A. These are the same as the "Now that you can see all you have done, it's time to take that step...". Although in OTBOA it changes every four beat, and in say The Shattered Fortress it is every six beat.
Wanna remark on my lousy english grammer? I suggest you study the text under my profile picture.
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Regarding AROP similarities: I really don't hear it musically. And I know what part y'all are talking about.
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Wanna remark on my lousy english grammer? I suggest you study the text under my profile picture.
There's no reason to invite people to argue with you. Had you not brought up your grammar, probably nobody else would either.
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There's no reason to invite people to argue with you. Had you not brought up your grammar, probably nobody else would either.
That was more a joke where I made fun of myself, but fine.
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I like the idea of ranking singles although it seems strange to only rank the RR-era ones, so I'm going to rank the full lot:
1. Wither
2. Lie
3. Take the Time
4. Home
5. On the Backs of Angels
6. Hollow Years
7. Another Day
8. The Silent Man
9. Forsaken
10. These Walls
11. Afterlife
12. Panic Attack
13. Constant Motion
14. Pull Me Under
15. As I Am
16. A Rite of Passage
17. Caught in a Web
18. You Not Me
19. Through Her Eyes
20. Burning My Soul
21. Status Seeker
On the whole, the new song fares very well! :hat
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Wanna remark on my lousy english grammer? I suggest you study the text under my profile picture.
There's no reason to invite people to argue with you. Had you not brought up your grammar, probably nobody else would either.
lol true
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"When All is Lost" by Symphony X has that same feeling, as in, it's 9 minutes long, but it doesn't really feel that long listening to it. I feel the same about OTBOA, it's just such a grand listen.
This.
My favourite from Iconoclast :metal
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Well I was talking with my friend and he said that OTBOA is a crap...he said that DT is no longer DT, that They have no future and that kinda things... We wera arguing, because I think that The Band is about to brought us again something fresh and new (all album I mean) and OTBOA is really good track!!!!
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10. These Walls
11. Afterlife
12. Panic Attack
15. As I Am
17. Caught in a Web
18. You Not Me
19. Through Her Eyes
20. Burning My Soul
21. Status Seeker
These were all singles?
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I don't think Octavarium had any singles, as I remember at the time there being talk about how I Walk Beside You would have been a single had their record company at the time promoted the record at all (which they did not).
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Yeah, people have to stop getting singles and a web promo (of which the new track is) confused.
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Yeah, people have to stop getting singles and a web promo (of which the new track is) confused.
I get what you're saying, but:
Dream Theater returns with their first single "On The Backs of Angels" with new drummer Mike Mangini. Their highly anticipated new album, A Dramatic Turn of Events will be out September 13th
That's from the description of the video on RR's Youtube. So if we are wrong about it being a single, we're at least justified in our reasons for thinking it is one.
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What is everybody's opinion about the overall "mood" of the song?
To me, it's very difficult to define, and probably more complex in that aspect than other DT songs. As it happens with PT por example, it's difficult to just qualify the song as "heavy", "happy", "sad", triumphant, etc. I'd say "hopeful" or something like that, but there are lots of diverging elements in the song. The tone set by the introduction is completely different from that of the outro, and the piano and guitar solos are kinda enigmatic and do not try to convey emotion just for the sake of it, for example. The guitar is heavy but not overly agressive, like they were at the brink of exploding but decided to restrain themselves. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into the song.
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I Walk Beside You WAS a single for Octavarium. So was As I Am for Train of Thought
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I just want to say that I :heart this song.
That is all. :biggrin:
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I don't think Octavarium had any singles, as I remember at the time there being talk about how I Walk Beside You would have been a single had their record company at the time promoted the record at all (which they did not).
As far as I know those two were released together. Not technically a "single" I guess, but near as dammit.
What is everybody's opinion about the overall "mood" of the song?
I really dig it. It's fairly heavy, but I concur with the popular opinion that there is something quite organic about it. There are chunky riffs, but it's not an abviously chunky song. Terrific stuff!
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I Walk Beside You WAS a single for Octavarium. So was As I Am for Train of Thought
It wasn't...
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Octavarium had no singles. Although it had a few tracks that were definitely single-appropriate.
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I Walk Beside You WAS a single for Octavarium. So was As I Am for Train of Thought
It wasn't...
It was made to be a single. The record company wouldnt support it or the band so it went nowhere
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It wasn't released, so it technically was not a "single." But does it really matter?
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I have to say that after repeated listens, I'm hugely impressed with this track. It sounds to me like they've gone all out to make a "classic" DT album - always a wise move when a band loses a central member. I really can't wait to hear what the rest of the album sounds like. If this is anything to go by, we're looking at another IaW or 8V.
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It wasn't released, so it technically was not a "single." But does it really matter?
Yes! My life depends on it!!!
;)
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If this is anything to go by, we're looking at another IaW or 8V.
In other words, we could be looking at their tenth consecutive masterpiece? :biggrin:
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^ Yeah, it's funny though. Although I liked it at the time, I hardly ever listen to SC these days. I still think BC&SL has some awesome moments though.
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If this is anything to go by, we're looking at another IaW or 8V.
In other words, we could be looking at their tenth consecutive masterpiece? :biggrin:
I think we're looking at an album 10 years from now people will be going "The new DT album is so good, we might be looking at another SFAM or ADTOE"
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I have to say that after repeated listens, I'm hugely impressed with this track. It sounds to me like they've gone all out to make a "classic" DT album - always a wise move when a band loses a central member. I really can't wait to hear what the rest of the album sounds like. If this is anything to go by, we're looking at another IaW or 8V.
The song was definitely an improvement from previous albums (imo at least) but I think this is a bit too optimistic. Sound/mix issues aside, the lyrics and vocal delivery aren't on that same level as Images (closer to 8V, but at least to me that's not saying too much).
With a title like this and the hope of LaBrie's vocals to be more like Frameshift or <SDOIT, the lack of variety and dynamics in the singing came as an unpleasant surprise. As for the title, I was expecting some better, deeper, more poetic and personal lyrics.
That said, I really like JR's piano (not his synths though), JP's tone and the cleaner sound of the bass.
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^ Yeah, it's funny though. Although I liked it at the time, I hardly ever listen to SC these days. I still think BC&SL has some awesome moments though.
BC&SL is one of my favourites, but yeah SC was a little weaker. The three album run of ToT-Octavarium-SC all have the same thing for me: overall good albums with some amazing stuff, but a bit of mediocre stuff as well. BC&SL was a fantastic return to form though, and it sounds like this new one could be even better!
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^ Yeah, it's funny though. Although I liked it at the time, I hardly ever listen to SC these days. I still think BC&SL has some awesome moments though.
I liked SC when it first came out, and then got tired of it quickly. But in the last year or so, I've really come to appreciate it again. As I've said in other threads, about 1/2 - 2/3 of the album is just amazing and stands up well against anything in their catalog, IMO. So I just leave out the stuff I don't like and have been really enjoying the rest. I can listen to ITPOE (whole song) > Forsaken > Constant Motion over and over.
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I've always really liked SC.
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I feel that the SC song that has best aged is Repentance. The chord progression of the ending is just mindblowing.
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SC is just meh for me, but it has it's moments.
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So is OtBoA isn't a single?
The description of the song on Roadrunner's page says "Dream Theater returns with their first single "On The Backs of Angels" with new drummer Mike Mangini." so I've been under the assumption this is a single
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Maybe it IS a single, but not released as a single yet :O
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:lol Folks!! What does it matter if it is or isn't released as an official single. It's not like we'll see it in Casey Kasem's American Top 40!! :lol It's used more as a promotion tool for the album.
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Uh-huh-huh-huh. You said "tool." :bnb:
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Uh-huh-huh-huh. You said "tool." :bnb:
LOL!!
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Uh-huh-huh-huh. You said "tool." :bnb:
Uuuuuhhhh. Settle down Boskvis!
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What is everybody's opinion about the overall "mood" of the song?
To me, it's very difficult to define, and probably more complex in that aspect than other DT songs. As it happens with PT por example, it's difficult to just qualify the song as "heavy", "happy", "sad", triumphant, etc. I'd say "hopeful" or something like that, but there are lots of diverging elements in the song. The tone set by the introduction is completely different from that of the outro, and the piano and guitar solos are kinda enigmatic and do not try to convey emotion just for the sake of it, for example. The guitar is heavy but not overly agressive, like they were at the brink of exploding but decided to restrain themselves. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into the song.
I couldn't agree more. In fact, I picked up my brother from the hospital this morning and immediately showed him the song and after hearing it he said, "Wow! They really captured a certain mood." I asked him to elaborate and he couldn't explain it. And either can I. But I love the mood of it. It's a fascinating song in that respect.
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347390 views in one day and a half.
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Honestly, I'm kind of shocked at the way DT has handled releasing this song. I think it would be much smarter for them to get an album pre-order set up first and then have people get a special unlock code ONLY after they have purchased the album. The video should then be viewable only to those fans who can prove they purchased the album. That's the smart thing to do. Then they could be huge and successful like Queensryche.
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Honestly, I'm kind of shocked at the way DT has handled releasing this song. I think it would be much smarter for them to get an album pre-order set up first and then have people get a special unlock code ONLY after they have purchased the album. The video should then be viewable only to those fans who can prove they purchased the album. That's the smart thing to do. Then they could be huge and successful like Queensryche.
I detect slight hints of sarcasm. :P
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Who, me? :innocent:
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That would help but they know the market. People use youtube, and are interested in DT where else are you gonna find new DT than Youtube. Look at how much views its gotten, that alone should show its a successful move, and a great one.
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What is everybody's opinion about the overall "mood" of the song?
To me, it's very difficult to define, and probably more complex in that aspect than other DT songs. As it happens with PT por example, it's difficult to just qualify the song as "heavy", "happy", "sad", triumphant, etc. I'd say "hopeful" or something like that, but there are lots of diverging elements in the song. The tone set by the introduction is completely different from that of the outro, and the piano and guitar solos are kinda enigmatic and do not try to convey emotion just for the sake of it, for example. The guitar is heavy but not overly agressive, like they were at the brink of exploding but decided to restrain themselves. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into the song.
I forget if this is literally a line in the song or not, but the emotional idea is racing toward death.
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Here's the irony of the title (considering that as a title it had me so excited) - it sucks. By itself it sounds great. As a lyric in the song it's okay. As a title for this song it represents the wrong tone. It's not really epic, there's no supernatural ideas, and it's not really mystical. If you want to take a line from the song as a title, "Bleeding us to Death" would have been much more appropriate. And I like the darkness of it.
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That would help but they know the market. People use youtube, and are interested in DT where else are you gonna find new DT than Youtube. Look at how much views its gotten, that alone should show its a successful move, and a great one.
Bosk1 was just being sarcastic. Trust me. ;)
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I still think there is an edit at 5:23.
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But that is progressive music. It usually doesn't hook you on first listen, because the elements aren't simplified enough to stick in your memory.
This hasn't been my experience at all, I've never had trouble finding "hooks" in prog in the first listen. All it takes for something to stick in my head is for it to be interesting enough to leave an impression, complexity rarely has anything to do with it and it's absolutely not the case with this song.
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So I'm thinking they will be playing this song on the Euro tour.
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I've always really liked SC.
Me too! ItPotE p.2 is just musically amazing!
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So I'm thinking they will be playing this song on the Euro tour.
Considering they've said they'll be playing one new song, I'm pretty sure we all assumed that.
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The whole intro, especially the opening clean guitar, is stuck in my head. Not catchy my ass.
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The whole intro . . . my ass.
:omg: Accidentally?
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The whole thing.
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Yeah, the lyrics to Wither apply well right now.
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What on earth did that elephant do to you.
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Nothing really, he's just a blowhard :eyebrows:
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(https://cache.ohinternet.com/images/4/47/Iaccidentally.jpg)
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So, do You Guys think that this will be opener on tour? I think not, They should start with something old and classic for me ;)
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So, do You Guys think that this will be opener on tour? I think not, They should start with something old and classic for me ;)
I disagree. I like it when tour openers are the first song of the promoted album, and is by far more common. It gives a fresh, newer start, in my opinion. After that... throw in the classics :laugh:
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I still think there is an edit at 5:23.
i do understand where you are coming from
it is a bit abrupt and could have had a better transition if this is indeed the final way, but if it is in fact an edit then well more song to enjoy :)
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I still think there is an edit at 5:23.
i do understand where you are coming from
it is a bit abrupt and could have had a better transition if this is indeed the final way, but if it is in fact an edit then well more song to enjoy :)
If you listen to 3:53 it sounds a lot more cleaner. I am thinking this is an edit too. But it would be a weird spot for one. Why would they have an instrumental section there just to have the chorus then another instrumental section then the chorus again. So I doubt it would be an instrumental section and that pre-chorus guitar part would be an awkward transition into another verse considering it was the transition into the chorus before.
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Here's the irony of the title (considering that as a title it had me so excited) - it sucks. By itself it sounds great. As a lyric in the song it's okay. As a title for this song it represents the wrong tone. It's not really epic, there's no supernatural ideas, and it's not really mystical. If you want to take a line from the song as a title, "Bleeding us to Death" would have been much more appropriate. And I like the darkness of it.
My initial interpretation is that standing on the backs of angels refers to the powerful crushing the powerless as if they were rungs on a ladder, while the greedy climb their way to the top. The real heroes -- the innocent, the angels -- "carry the weight" of their oppressors. And the ultimate cost of this "burden" is to be led "like a lamb to the slaughter," an allusion to Christ, the narrator dying not for his own sins but for the sins of others put upon him. I think the title is perfect.
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
I think all of TCOT is a better song in almost every regard except for the lyrics.
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With a new drummer on board, I think the guys will want to open with a song that 4 members are more comfortable with before taking a stab at a song none of them have ever played before. However, it will soon make its way to the front of the set.
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
I think all of TCOT is a better song in almost every regard except for the lyrics.
if you dont like TCOTs lyrics I dont think you understood the song.
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With a new drummer on board, I think the guys will want to open with a song that 4 members are more comfortable with before taking a stab at a song none of them have ever played before.
I'm sure they'd rehearse
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
I think all of TCOT is a better song in almost every regard except for the lyrics.
if you dont like TCOTs lyrics I dont think you understood the song.
Really? The story is pretty obvious, the lyrics are just pretty bad.
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
I think all of TCOT is a better song in almost every regard except for the lyrics.
if you dont like TCOTs lyrics I dont think you understood the song.
I think they're just terrible, actually.
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Ok so, the moment you have been waiting for....my review/thoughts on this song. :hefdaddy :corn
I have gave it a couple of spins now, but didn't yet listen to it on headphones.
the first spin...it didn't do anything to me...i was like hmm.. ok again another TGP kind of riff/nu metal riff (despite the odd signature of it).
the vocals i found very lame, not the lyrics, but the vocals didn't seem to bring something extra, like there was no expression to ti at all.
the drums i found so so... the only thing which standed out for me was..JR. not using the patces he did on the last albums, but just normal,naturally sounding pathes, and the return of the piano (SFAM) feel. so than i gave it like 5/10 but any other DT would do better for me
now after 5/6 spins this monster has grown on me...i love it.
the only part which seems strange is going from the second instrumental section and than that very small break down back to the chrous...that some how seems cut/paste.... but the other stuff is amazing
JR- great sounds well played, not being a a notewanker for 8 minutes, but just suits the song, i love the tune of the prechorus that does sound oldskool DT to me.
drums are awsoe as s well, still dodint'hear all he did, but i love it when the end of JPS solo he just plays doulbe bass notes very freaking fast :-) great unison part.
JP wel great riff man, that's some odd time signature there, great tone ghreat solo...awesome
vocals..i think the weakst of the song, they are ok, but they still dont stand out to me... but they are not bad in any way at all!!
finally a bass sound and even a small BASS filll ..yeah!!!
i thikn the album will only get better and bete...and if the album contqains 9 liek these songs, than im'happy cause everytime i play the song i hear something new/different.....and it makes you come back..and that's what you need from a DT song/album....to go back and discover what they wrote....i really hope for a making of dvd on this one...cause only after this first song...damn... there are SO MANY tempo changes it's ridicilous(ly great!)....
laos i like it when in the end they play i think the pre chorous and than play it in normal 4/44 DT doesn't do that much ...but it's a little headbaning moment there....everything falls in place there.... you know which part i mean right?
if not listen to it ..AGAIN!
H
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I'm almost sure that 8:46 is a edit version of OTBOA, last chorus comes to roughly, instrumental part is just too short, just MUST be longer, if I noticed that, DT for sure did that too and They don't let us to listen to full version of the song until the album comes out.
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8:46 is the perfect length for this song, it flowed perfectly too, kinda reminding me of As I Am. I hope it isn't longer, thats one thing I dislike about DT, songs being dragged out by overly-lengthy instrumentals.
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Here's the irony of the title (considering that as a title it had me so excited) - it sucks. By itself it sounds great. As a lyric in the song it's okay. As a title for this song it represents the wrong tone. It's not really epic, there's no supernatural ideas, and it's not really mystical. If you want to take a line from the song as a title, "Bleeding us to Death" would have been much more appropriate. And I like the darkness of it.
Well, in fact, it's the other way round for me : I like it because I see it as a red herring.
B.Lee
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This song is like TCOT. Awesome intro, awesome outro but the rest of the song is meh.
I think all of TCOT is a better song in almost every regard except for the lyrics.
if you dont like TCOTs lyrics I dont think you understood the song.
Yes we do, and yes the lyrics are not good. But it's still a cool song.
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Love the song to death, I've listened to it way too many times already.
Glad there's no "DAY AFTER DAY, AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, STANDING ON BACKS OF ANGELS WAITING FOR THEIR FLIGHT"
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If you don't like On The Backs Of Angels we are not a match.
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Love the song to death, I've listened to it way too many times already.
Glad there's no "DAY AFTER DAY, AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, STANDING ON BACKS OF ANGELS WAITING FOR THEIR FLIGHT"
FOCUS HERE FOCUS THERE
CANNOT SEE THE LIGHT
(falling down through the night)
WHO DELAYED MY GODDAMN FLIGHT?!
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:lol
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i like it when in the end they play i think the pre chorous and than play it in normal 4/44 DT doesn't do that much
I would like to hear DT play in 4/44 time :P
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i like it when in the end they play i think the pre chorous and than play it in normal 4/44 DT doesn't do that much
I would like to hear DT play in 4/44 time :P
hahahi think they can make it possible. hahaha :rollin
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we spiral twards disasterrrrrrrrrrr
:metal
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we spiral twards disasterrrrrrrrrrr
I really don't know how the rhythm or the melody of that part goes, but the next line is:
A nightmuurrrrr to remembaaaaaaaaahhh
[Then the Main riff in Constant Motion]
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God, I so wanna just convert this song to mp4 so I can listen to it on my iPod, but I'm afraid if I do I'll get sick of it. Yet for some reason I feel as though this is the sorta song I won't really get sick of, just used to. Even so...
:zeltar:
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I like it over all. It would most likely fall mid tier over all with all songs. Solid. Good lyrics again. YAY
Oh hey... I can hear the bass.
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Just listened too it again...gave it a rest yesterday... :lol Great tune!!
Gotta love it... in 2 days 432,000 listens :tup :metal :metal :metal
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I'm almost sure that 8:46 is a edit version of OTBOA, last chorus comes to roughly, instrumental part is just too short, just MUST be longer, if I noticed that, DT for sure did that too and They don't let us to listen to full version of the song until the album comes out.
I'll be surprised if this is an edited version. If they were condensing it down to be a single, that long intro probably would have been the first thing to get cut down.
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
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This song is definately a grower. I really like hearing JM througout the song, and i really enjoy the drumming.
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I've only listened to it 4 times on the day of release and not once since. Couldn't remember any melody of it yesterday, but then I woke up today with the chorus melody in my head, so it can't be that unmemorable! To me the song is catchier than its' title, I constantly think it is called "On the WINGS of Angels" ;D
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I'm almost sure that 8:46 is a edit version of OTBOA, last chorus comes to roughly, instrumental part is just too short, just MUST be longer, if I noticed that, DT for sure did that too and They don't let us to listen to full version of the song until the album comes out.
Dude. Why would anyone release a 9 minute single? Come on, now. :lol
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Considering there are 9 songs on the album, and 9 x 8 is 72, I HIGHLY doubt there are many songs on this album which break 8 -10 minute mark. Which is a good thing-- there weren't many on Images and Words, either.
Now watch "The Shaman's Trance" be a two-minute tribal drum solo by Mangini which leads into a 20 minute epic :biggrin:
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
This, it is almost certainly not an edit.
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on the subject of unmemorable,
ive had the 'tears fall..' chorus stuck in my head since wednesday
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
This, it is almost certainly not an edit.
Hm, I didn't think of it... Maybe you're right ;)
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Now watch "The Shaman's Trance" be a two-minute tribal drum solo by Mangini which leads into a 20 minute epic :biggrin:
Really? I heard The Shaman's Trance is a 17 minute flute solo played solely by JM.
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
The only song who got that kind of treatment was Pull Me Under; fans were calling radio stations demanding the full track. Can't see it happening with OTBoA.
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WOOT!!!!
I LIKE!
HAPPY :tup
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
The only song who got that kind of treatment was Pull Me Under; fans were calling radio stations demanding the full track. Can't see it happening with OTBoA.
how times have changed... what's a radio stations?
:P
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Admittedly, I've listened to the track probably a bit too much the past couple days. The strange thing is, I haven't lost any of my interest towards it. If anything, I'm enjoying listening to it now more than the first few spins.
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Yeah the reason for an edit is often to play them on the radio. I can't see many radio stations playing a song that's 8:46.
The only song who got that kind of treatment was Pull Me Under; fans were calling radio stations demanding the full track. Can't see it happening with OTBoA.
how times have changed... what's a radio stations?
:P
EXACTLY.
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It's weird... the song is good and everything but I can't remember anything from it right now. I think the melodies aren't that strong or catchy, IMO.
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It's been mentioned before but that's a strong characteristic of prog music.
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Admittedly, I've listened to the track probably a bit too much the past couple days. The strange thing is, I haven't lost any of my interest towards it. If anything, I'm enjoying listening to it now more than the first few spins.
INDEED
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I really want a 320kb MP3 of this or higher so I can fully indulge myself into the mix and hear everything how it's supposed to in 5.1 rather than shitty youtube :sadpanda:
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Listening to the song again, I love the part around 4:38 where JP goes into that weird but awesome riff, and JLB's vocals are dead on... This song definitely is growing on me, although I'm hoping it will be the weak song on the album compared to the rest. ;D
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My favorite beginning on a DT song along with "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" and "A Change of Seasons". I'm glad Jordan is finally using great keyboard sounds again. This was originally going to be a large post but I rage-quit when I realized I couldn't write down the way I felt about the song.
EDIT: After listening to it a couple of times, I realized it has EXTREMELY catchy vocals.
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Listening to the song again, I love the part around 4:38 where JP goes into that weird but awesome riff, and JLB's vocals are dead on... This song definitely is growing on me, although I'm hoping it will be the weak song on the album compared to the rest. ;D
Well, I really, really doubt their first single will be the best the album has to offer.
I wouldn't call it a 'weak' song, but I'm hoping this album won't have weak songs at all.
Also, I'm pretty sure that when Roadrunner uploaded the song, it was the best quality they had. I actually ripped it from Youtube at 320, and it sounds pretty damn good in my car.
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It's been mentioned before but that's a strong characteristic of prog music.
Unless this is suddenly the proggiest song DT has every done, I'm not seeing it.
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so i was thinking.....
i really need the rest of this album now
i can't stop listening to the damn track and when i want more dream theater i go back to their older catalog it's not the same
what is happening here!
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so i was thinking.....
i really need the rest of this album now
i can't stop listening to the damn track and when i want more dream theater i go back to their older catalog it's not the same
what is happening here!
Wait a few months, it'll leak, then you have a real problem. To listen early...or to wait?
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so i was thinking.....
i really need the rest of this album now
i can't stop listening to the damn track and when i want more dream theater i go back to their older catalog it's not the same
what is happening here!
Wait a few months, it'll leak, then you have a real problem. To listen early...or to wait?
yes you have a point there good sir...
that is definitely a conundrum
either way the album will be purchased, propel this album to no 1 on the billboard
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I think of it when I listened to The Yes Album for the first time. I really liked it but I couldn't remember much of it other than "I've Seen All Good People" (remembering it from the radio) and the last part of "Starship Trooper". unklejman has it right: it keeps bringing you back because of the feeling, not any hooks. It almost forces you to listen closer.
I had the EXACT experience listening to Aquarius by Haken the first two times or so. But I don't know why it was, because the melody lines are really strong.. I guess I just really loved the album from the get go.
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I think of it when I listened to The Yes Album for the first time. I really liked it but I couldn't remember much of it other than "I've Seen All Good People" (remembering it from the radio) and the last part of "Starship Trooper". unklejman has it right: it keeps bringing you back because of the feeling, not any hooks. It almost forces you to listen closer.
I had the EXACT experience listening to Aquarius by Haken the first two times or so. But I don't know why it was, because the melody lines are really strong.. I guess I just really loved the album from the get go.
Me too. I loved Aquarius. So driven by the melody and song depth then it goes straight into the crazy musical genius.
Would love to see this on ADTOE.
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so i was thinking.....
i really need the rest of this album now
I agree
It's almost like they released this song waaayyyy too early.
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I listened to this in the car like 8 times today.
The riff that starts right before JLB sings "Blurring lines..." is so rocking. :metal
This song gets BETTER with every listen. It's organic, somewhat dense, and it feels like there is very little "fat" on the song.
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Gave the song another listen. It's just not sticking with me, aside from the mildly interesting piano solo.
Still not as bad as it could have been. The choice singles from SC and BC&SL were far more embarrassing.
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It's finally clicking. Great feeling.
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Jeez, the comments on MP's Facebook make me cringe...
"after listening to the new DT teaser it's hilarious to hear those guys attempt to sound awesome without the one who made them so. Mike Portnoy, very soon, do I see a huge apology coming from DT to you, and one especially from Mike Magani, apologizing to you for ever thinking he had it in him to replicate your style. It just can't be done. Hail Mike Portnoy!"
"New DT song? That piece of s*** on drums??? Mike, fans can see now who was MIKE OF DREAM THEATER! You are the biggest reason for band succes in 25 years. I'm still fan of DT, but honestly...this new single is embarasing for all DT's previous work. They hadn't listen to you with that advice you gave to them (temporary pause of bend's work) and now all world can see that you was smarter then them. Hail Mike!"
I mean...seriously?
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Anyone else getting a major Iron Maiden vibe at 2:58-3:06? I love it.
Jeez, the comments on MP's Facebook make me cringe...
*snip*
I mean...seriously?
Wow. I bet MP would embarrassed to read those...
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Those comments are pathetic.
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Are those serious posts? I don't put it past people to have extreme opinions, but it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not with stuff like that.
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Are those serious posts? I don't put it past people to have extreme opinions, but it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not with stuff like that.
Yeah, check out MP's page, there's hundereds. Some of the most closed minded people I've ever seen, with the occasional "just enjoy both and shut up."
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It's funny that this single got overwhelming and positive respose, much better than the reception A Rite of Passage (or Constant Motion, for that matter) had if I remember correctly.
And yeah, I really can't be on MP's facebook page and twitter because of the amount of nonsense and stupidity I read there. Hell, I haven't liked at all what I've heard of Adrenaline Mob and I ain't saying "it's obvious that MP's glory stayed with Dream Theater..." :lol
Also, I don't quite get the part where Mangini needs to apologize to Portnoy haha
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Are those serious posts? I don't put it past people to have extreme opinions, but it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not with stuff like that.
Yeah, check out MP's page, there's hundereds. Some of the most closed minded people I've ever seen, with the occasional "just enjoy both and shut up."
Fair enough, but I quit visiting there years ago.
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Yeah, I remember one guy saying "Wheres the I&A/SFAM spirit!?" Ironic, considering this track sonds more like those albums than anything off the last three. It's hard to take what they're saying seriously, if DT hadn't told anyone MP had been replaced by MM no one would know any different and this song would be universally praised.
Fanboys...haters gonna hate.
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Yeah, but there's always others willing to make them look even worse by pretending to be one. :lol
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I always know that people with Mike Portnoy as a facebook profile picture are never a good thing. :coolio
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It's clear that these people aren't intelligent enough to be posting this stuff sarcastically or ironically, they're the sort of people you see in the crowd on the Score DVD.
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It's clear that these people aren't intelligent enough to be posting this stuff sarcastically or ironically, they're the sort of people you see in the crowd on the Score DVD.
lol hefdaddy42
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It's clear that these people aren't intelligent enough to be posting this stuff sarcastically or ironically, they're the sort of people you see in the crowd on the Score DVD.
lol hefdaddy42
You know what I mean :lol
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To be fair, some people on here seem to have the opposite viewpoint, and act like Portnoy was this evil force in the band that has been eradicated, and now DT will suddenly be 10 x's better now. They blame MP for all things bad in the DT world. It is kind of ridiculous, although not as extreme-sounding as the MP Facebook comments.
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Really stupid, but not surprising in the least bit. I knew idiotic fanboy comments would show up. I bet even Mike saw that Dream Theater was releasing a new song, and then just went to his facebook page and just :corn
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To be fair, some people on here seem to have the opposite viewpoint, and act like Portnoy was this evil force in the band that has been eradicated, and now DT will suddenly be 10 x's better now. They blame MP for all things bad in the DT world. It is kind of ridiculous, although not as extreme-sounding as the MP Facebook comments.
Yeah, but there's a difference between having an opinion and discussing it with other fans and making yourself look like a retard, as those comments do.
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I am interested to see what MP has to say about the new track though, but I'm not expecting anything contraversial. That won't stop his comment bieng analyzed word for word by some people, though. :lol
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I'm thinking he won't comment, and his silence will still be analyzed word for word.
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Yeah, but even that would be taken negatively and turn into, "Oh, now he's snubbing DT by not even taking the time to comment on their song! He blasted Kevin Moore for snubbing DT, and now he's doing the same thing! What a hypocrite!" Honestly, I think the smartest thing for him to do is just give a polite, short response along the lines of, "I've heard it. Sounds good. But for now, I'd rather dwell on the music I am busy creating. Thanks." I think most reasonable people would understand that.
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I am interested to see what MP has to say about the new track though, but I'm not expecting anything contraversial. That won't stop his comment bieng analyzed word for word by some people, though. :lol
I wouldn't blame him if he never commented on it, because blabbermouth would have it within five minutes and would make a headline like "Portnoy likes new Dream theater song" and the commenters would be like, "lol acting like he likes it, we all know he hates it.". But if he said "I hate it" They would say "he's just mad that they wouldn't let him back in." ::)
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He'll have to eventually, Kevin Moore had the advantage of becoming a ghost when he left DT, while MP is arguably far more in the spotlight at the moment than he was in DT. It'll come up in an AM interview or something, he can't avoid it forever.
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Honestly, I think the smartest thing for him to do is just give a polite, short response along the lines of, "I've heard it. Sounds good. But for now, I'd rather dwell on the music I am busy creating. Thanks." I think most reasonable people would understand that.
Well put, I agree.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons. In many ways he seems to be emotionally moving away from how angry he was back in September, and he's still taking bitter and demeaning potshots. He seems to think that without him DT is an illegitimate shell of its former self. He really thinks he was Dream Theater.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons.
Here we go again :facepalm:
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So, do You Guys think that this will be opener on tour? I think not, They should start with something old and classic for me ;)
I disagree. I like it when tour openers are the first song of the promoted album, and is by far more common. It gives a fresh, newer start, in my opinion. After that... throw in the classics :laugh:
Maiden opened with Wicker Man/Ghost of The Navigator and peppered in El Dorado somewhere in the set. The show was immense.
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lol portnoy
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this is so unbelievably pathetic
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Looks like Trunk deleted his post. First he deleted and blocked comments, now the post itself is gone.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons. In many ways he seems to be emotionally moving away from how angry he was back in September, and he's still taking bitter and demeaning potshots. He seems to think that without him DT is an illegitimate shell of its former self. He really thinks he was Dream Theater.
Ironically, though, by relaying the entire tweet, he's saying that DT is no worse off without him.
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Looks like Trunk deleted his post. First he deleted and blocked comments, now the post itself is gone.
I still see it.
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Not to down on Portnoy, but honestly, all this stuff he's been doing this year... I dunno, it seems almost a little desperate.
If you look at a band like a relationship, and someone breaks up, and DT found their new "wife" as Mangini so awkwardly put it, meanwhile Portnoy is out there, doing this and that, recording and playing with all these different musicians, talking about how, "This is such an amazing year" etc etc. It's almost over-zealous... "Zealous are the righteous," right? Like, it honestly seems to me like MP is miserable. Miserable without DT. Like I said, he's putting on this brave face and saying how amazing things are, but that just seems like a desperate cry.
"I can't wait for you all to hear OUR songs!! The album RULES.." The way OUR is stressed...
Yeah.
Again, it's not a matter of disrespect, I'm just saying that I honestly don't buy that he's happy right now.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons. In many ways he seems to be emotionally moving away from how angry he was back in September, and he's still taking bitter and demeaning potshots. He seems to think that without him DT is an illegitimate shell of its former self. He really thinks he was Dream Theater.
Ironically, though, by relaying the entire tweet, he's saying that DT is no worse off without him.
what he said was obviously a slight against the band.
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Looks like Trunk deleted his post. First he deleted and blocked comments, now the post itself is gone.
I still see it.
I logged back in and it's gone. Refresh and see if it's still there.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT. Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Eddie Trunks twitter
:facepalm: ::)
Edit: The worst part was that MP RT'd it.
Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons. In many ways he seems to be emotionally moving away from how angry he was back in September, and he's still taking bitter and demeaning potshots. He seems to think that without him DT is an illegitimate shell of its former self. He really thinks he was Dream Theater.
Ironically, though, by relaying the entire tweet, he's saying that DT is no worse off without him.
what he said was obviously a slight against the band.
Well, Trunk is obviously taking up for his friend, but to say that the new DT single still sounds like DT means that Portnoy wasn't irreplaceable after all.
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From what I can tell MP leaving was not a bad thing. We are (hopefully) getting a better album and drummer.
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I'm sure he would have posted how awesome it was if Portnoy was still in the band.
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I'm sure he would have posted how awesome it was if Portnoy was still in the band.
But with MP still in the band we would of never gotten a song like this.
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I don't think that can be said for sure.
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I'm sure he would have posted how awesome it was if Portnoy was still in the band.
Well, sure, but he's friends with MP. What else is he gonna say now: "Hey Mike, they really are just as good, if not better, without you."
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I'm sure he would have posted how awesome it was if Portnoy was still in the band.
But with MP still in the band we would of never gotten a song like this.
Well, we might, but then you'd just hear him screaming along with LaBrie's lyrics in the background.
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How about nothing?
What is MP going to do if he tweeted "New DT song sounds great!" unfollow him from twitter? Start crying?
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I guess that's a fair point, but I can understand why Trunk's friendship compelled him to still mention MP. MP might have de-friended him on FB as well.
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How about nothing?
What is MP going to do if he tweeted "New DT song sounds great!" unfollow him from twitter? Start crying?
he'd say
the MOB rules.....!!
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I don't really care that Trunk said it. He's not affiliated with DT, he's entitled to his opinion. The fact that MP retweeted it is what bothered me.
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How about nothing?
What is MP going to do if he tweeted "New DT song sounds great!" unfollow him from twitter? Start crying?
he'd say
the MOB rules.....!!
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The one thing I've noticed is how MP has been posting a lot of links to interviews and AM samples and live videos since the DT single was released
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You know what i'm going to pretend this didn't happen.
So, On the Backs of Angels just hit half a million views, holy shit! :o
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I don't really care that Trunk said it. He's not affiliated with DT, he's entitled to his opinion. The fact that MP retweeted it is what bothered me.
I'm the same way. I really don't understand how anyone can blame Trunk, who has been a huge personal friend and fan of Portnoy for years now. Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
On another note, it's getting quite tiring seeing the occasional post about how MP is doing everything he's doing now to get back in DT. Do people have memories or do they simply choose to ignore the fact that MP has always involved himself in a million things, always been really excited about whatever he's working on, and always pushed stuff on social media sites as well as his own site? Nothing has changed except he's using time he would otherwise have used in DT on other projects.
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I don't really care that Trunk said it. He's not affiliated with DT, he's entitled to his opinion. The fact that MP retweeted it is what bothered me.
I'm the same way. I really don't understand how anyone can blame Trunk, who has been a huge personal friend and fan of Portnoy for years now. Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
On another note, it's getting quite tiring seeing the occasional post about how MP is doing everything he's doing now to get back in DT. Do people have memories or do they simply choose to ignore the fact that MP has always involved himself in a million things, always been really excited about whatever he's working on, and always pushed stuff on social media sites as well as his own site? Nothing has changed except he's using time he would otherwise have used in DT on other projects.
THIS
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looks like he un-retweeted it. not seeing it at his page
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Clap clap, Nick.
And also, it's quite impressive the song has gotten half a million views by now. I don't think other DT singles have had this impact.
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On another note, it's getting quite tiring seeing the occasional post about how MP is doing everything he's doing now to get back in DT. Do people have memories or do they simply choose to ignore the fact that MP has always involved himself in a million things, always been really excited about whatever he's working on, and always pushed stuff on social media sites as well as his own site? Nothing has changed except he's using time he would otherwise have used in DT on other projects.
I'm not sure if that's directed at me or not, but let me clarify. I wasn't saying that at all. I was just saying that the way he talks about these projects almost seems like he's trying too hard to seem like he's happy where he is, without DT. I'm not saying he's doing it to get back into DT, I'm just saying it seems like he's really digging for happiness.
And I'm not thriving on that fact. Like I said, I like MM in the band, and I think DT should keep him. So I genuinely hope that MP is happy where he is right now. It just doesn't seem like it to me.
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I don't really care that Trunk said it. He's not affiliated with DT, he's entitled to his opinion. The fact that MP retweeted it is what bothered me.
Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
The best possible explanation would be that he didn't read it carefully. Even then it'd still be irresponsible.
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I'm the same way. I really don't understand how anyone can blame Trunk, who has been a huge personal friend and fan of Portnoy for years now. Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
At what point do MP's actions stop being gaffes and start being an expression of the fact that he loathes what the band is doing and wants to voice it?
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Weak thing for MP to RT for so many reasons. In many ways he seems to be emotionally moving away from how angry he was back in September, and he's still taking bitter and demeaning potshots. He seems to think that without him DT is an illegitimate shell of its former self. He really thinks he was Dream Theater.
I am reminded of something Nick Mason once said about Roger Waters: He believes he did it all. That's always a problem, when you're dealing with people who believe.
While the people and circumstances are different, it is eerily similar. And it is not at all surprising that Portnoy has always said that he was on Waters' side in the Floyd feud that lasted two decades.
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If you un-tweet a re-tweet, is that a de-tweet?
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If you un-tweet a re-tweet, is that a de-tweet?
it is now. portnoy has de-tweeted.
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If you un-tweet a re-tweet, is that a de-tweet?
it is now. portnoy has de-tweeted.
You know what that means? He's probably reading this thread right now.
Hey, Mr. Portnoy! We still love you!
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On another note, it's getting quite tiring seeing the occasional post about how MP is doing everything he's doing now to get back in DT. Do people have memories or do they simply choose to ignore the fact that MP has always involved himself in a million things, always been really excited about whatever he's working on, and always pushed stuff on social media sites as well as his own site? Nothing has changed except he's using time he would otherwise have used in DT on other projects.
I'm not sure if that's directed at me or not, but let me clarify. I wasn't saying that at all. I was just saying that the way he talks about these projects almost seems like he's trying too hard to seem like he's happy where he is, without DT. I'm not saying he's doing it to get back into DT, I'm just saying it seems like he's really digging for happiness.
And I'm not thriving on that fact. Like I said, I like MM in the band, and I think DT should keep him. So I genuinely hope that MP is happy where he is right now. It just doesn't seem like it to me.
Wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but just a bunch that I've seen post that general sentiment to one degree or another, thanks for explaining your post though. :)
I don't really care that Trunk said it. He's not affiliated with DT, he's entitled to his opinion. The fact that MP retweeted it is what bothered me.
Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
The best possible explanation would be that he didn't read it carefully. Even then it'd still be irresponsible.
In the age of the smart phones and on the go work, it's very possible, but as you said it would still be a mistake, albeit a far more forgivable one.
I'm the same way. I really don't understand how anyone can blame Trunk, who has been a huge personal friend and fan of Portnoy for years now. Although we can't say for sure what Portnoy was thinking when he re-tweeted it (and I'd be careful with how much we blatantly assume and work of off), I think it was another in a growing string of bad PR moves on his part. I love Portnoy, but if musical gaffing could be equated to politics he'd be Joe Biden about now.
At what point do MP's actions stop being gaffes and start being an expression of the fact that he loathes what the band is doing and wants to voice it?
The point when he expresses himself in a clear manner, as opposed to us wildly guessing into his mind.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
Because by re-tweeting it he's saying, "I like this and I want others to see it". It seems a tad arrogant considering the subject matter. That's what me thinks anyway.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
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Because by re-tweeting it he's saying, "I like this and I want others to see it". It seems a tad arrogant considering the subject matter. That's what me thinks anyway.
Ehh... It's still not that bad. I mean, remember, he's not saying it, he just likes it. It's like, "Hey, this is what Trunk said about me. It's very flattering."
I mean, you can look at it in different ways, but I think people WANT MP to be arrogant about the whole matter, so that's what they're projecting onto his re-twit, and that's what they're seeing.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
I took that to mean that is sounds like DT... you know, that even with the drummer change it still sounded like a DT song, I took that as the compliment portion of the tweet.
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Because by re-tweeting it he's saying, "I like this and I want others to see it". It seems a tad arrogant considering the subject matter. That's what me thinks anyway.
Ehh... It's still not that bad. I mean, remember, he's not saying it, he just likes it. It's like, "Hey, this is what Trunk said about me. It's very flattering."
I mean, you can look at it in different ways, but I think people WANT MP to be arrogant about the whole matter, so that's what they're projecting onto his re-twit, and that's what they're seeing.
By re-tweeting it you are showing it to everyone who follows you. It is the closest thing to saying it you can get. It's splitting hairs to imply that re-tweeting something isn't saying it. It's agreeing with it, how many times have you agreed or liked something but wouldn't say it?
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
I'm not sure I see how saying that DT sounds like DT is a slight at DT, no.
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Why should Portnoy re-tweet something that makes reference to DT? It's not like Trunk addressed Adrenaline Mob or something.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
I'm not sure I see how saying that DT sounds like DT is a slight at DT, no.
if it was a slight then he would be saying something negative about mike as well. i think
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One thing though, is that DT fans are friggin' intense and non-comprehensive. I mean, how many negative comments can someone get to the point of making them erase their own tweets. :lol
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I think the slight was more against MM anyway.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
I took that to mean that is sounds like DT... you know, that even with the drummer change it still sounded like a DT song, I took that as the compliment portion of the tweet.
Not with the way it was formatted. We're getting into hairy territory here, but in my opinion when you type "Just heard the new DT song and it sounds.......like DT" you're not excited, you're not impressed. By saying "but there's only one MP", even while saying "Mangini is a beast", is a slight in my opinion. He could have chosen a thousand different ways to express what it sounded like. I don't think as a member of a band I'd want someone to tell me my new song that I worked on sounds like what I always do.
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I think the slight was more against MM anyway.
I can get on board with that.
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hmm, maybe we're dealing too much with...
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Oh wait, that's a Semitic, not a semantic.
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Some of the things Mike has said or done in the last year have been poor decisions, IMO. But I'm not seeing the problem with him re-tweeting this. What's the issue?
So you don't think that by Trunk saying the new single sounds "....like DT" isn't a slight at the band?
I took that to mean that is sounds like DT... you know, that even with the drummer change it still sounded like a DT song, I took that as the compliment portion of the tweet.
Not with the way it was formatted. We're getting into hairy territory here, but in my opinion when you type "Just heard the new DT song and it sounds.......like DT" you're not excited, you're not impressed. By saying "but there's only one MP", even while saying "Mangini is a beast", is a slight in my opinion. He could have chosen a thousand different ways to express what it sounded like. I don't think as a member of a band I'd want someone to tell me my new song that I worked on sounds like what I always do.
and to follow up on this, look at his twitter page. seems like he's excited about all the other bands he's playing.
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hmm, maybe we're dealing too much with...
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Oh wait, that's a Semitic, not a semantic.
nice attempt but if you wanted to refer to a jew that way it'd be semite. When you say "Semitic" it's more referring to the group of languages. :)
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*snip*
:lol
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Either this discussion is really stupid, or so intelligent that it's way over my head.
So, how about that OtBoA outro? Cool stuff, amirite?
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hmm, maybe we're dealing too much with...
(https://thecst.org.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jew.jpg)
Oh wait, that's a Semitic, not a semantic.
nice attempt but if you wanted to refer to a jew that way it'd be semite. When you say "Semitic" it's more referring to the group of languages. :)
"Just talking semitic semantics; what jew be doing?"
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is the same old shit.
Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is good, but not as good as Portnoy.
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i just dont get why he would even say 'same old '. wouldnt that be a knock against portnoy as well? i dont think the first sentence is a problem.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is the same old shit.
Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is good, but not as good as Portnoy.
Ooooh, okay. Thank you. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with Trunk, but I interpreted things completely differently.
"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is as good as ever.
"Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is great (don't worry, MP, you're still awesome too).
Just the way I saw it. The other side now makes sense to me, too.
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is the same old shit.
Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is good, but not as good as Portnoy.
Ooooh, okay. Thank you. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with Trunk, but I interpreted things completely differently.
"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is as good as ever.
"Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is great (don't worry, MP, you're still awesome too).
this is how i interpret it, and i would like to think MP as well. but maybe he saw that it could be seen both ways and 'de-tweeted' it
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"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is the same old shit.
Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is good, but not as good as Portnoy.
Ooooh, okay. Thank you. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with Trunk, but I interpreted things completely differently.
"Playing the new DT now for the first time on air, which sounds exactly like... DT."
Translation: DT's new song is as good as ever.
"Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course."
Translation: Mangini is great (don't worry, MP, you're still awesome too).
Just the way I saw it. The other side now makes sense to me, too.
That could be it too.
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i just dont get why he would even say 'same old '. wouldnt that be a knock against portnoy as well? i dont think the first sentence is a problem.
Possibly. I take it as Trunk hinting that the band isn't treading any new ground and can finally say that because his pal Portnoy isn't in the picture. The last two albums weren't new ground either but he seemed to love the singles from those, probably not to offend Portnoy who was debuting them.
Or he could be defending Portnoy in Jericho fashion by saying the band is trying to survive by imitating what worked when he was in the band.
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I don't think he would have deleted the tweet had it been positive.
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
Agreed. The intention of the tweet isn't nearly as important as what people perceive the intention might have been.
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
..and then post another tweet saying it was a misunderstanding right?
:D
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
Every time you post something, I always picture your little Icon saying it. It's hard to take seriously. :rollin
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
..and then post another tweet saying it was a misunderstanding right?
:D
Or he'd decide to just drop it and pretend it never happened out of fear that whatever he said next would also be interpreted as a negative.
Maybe I'm completely off base and the Tweet WAS negative, I don't know. But as an honest observation, it does seem to me that no matter what MP says, someone, somewhere faults him for it.
He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
Every time you post something, I always picture your little Icon saying it. It's hard to take seriously. :rollin
That's intentional. If no one takes me seriously, I can't piss anyone off. =D (Totally making that up right now, by the way)
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He might if he realized that a bunch of people could easily interpret it as negative.
Agreed. The intention of the tweet isn't nearly as important as what people perceive the intention might have been.
I highly doubt that. If it's positive you leave it up regardless because if people take it the wrong way it's their problem. Or if people take it the wrong way you either explain it or reword it in a new tweet.
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Maybe I'm completely off base and the Tweet WAS negative, I don't know. But as an honest observation, it does seem to me that no matter what MP says, someone, somewhere faults him for it.
Well the songs been out for a few days and while people were kinda waiting for Portnoy's response, any response, there didn't seem to be any. Finally we get something but it was only because he had the backing of a good friend in that "See? Told you I was right."manner.
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And you're 100% sure you're interpreting that tone correctly? There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that you have preconceived notions which might be tainting what he says?
Because that's really all my point is, is that it seems to me people are overanalyzing MP to reach whatever conclusions they want.
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Well the songs been out for a few days and while people were kinda waiting for Portnoy's response, any response, there didn't seem to be any. Finally we get something but it was only because he had the backing of a good friend in that "See? Told you I was right."manner.
Not to mention his post about The Adrenaline Mob, "I can't wait for you all to hear OUR songs!!" The way he stressed the "Our" clearly means, "As opposed to their."
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And you're 100% sure you're interpreting that tone correctly? There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that you have preconceived notions that are tainting what he says?
Because that's really all my point is, is that it seems to me people are overanalyzing MP to reach whatever conclusions they want.
Or they might be reading interviews and tweets from the past few years and fitting him with a profile they've seen in real life from experience of just being alive for a few decades.
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Wow! 508 480 listens in 3 days! Pretty impressive!
B.Lee
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Signs of good things to come?
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Remember that all those listens are not first time listens, but many have listened to it over and over and over and over again.
Still very impressive though!
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Remember that all those listens are not first time listens, but many have listened to it over and over and over and over again.
Still very impressive though!
Okay, but look at it this way. That's how many times the song was listened to. Now, if only 100,000 people listened to it, then that's still a lot, 5 times each. In 3 days. And then there's people like me, where I ripped it and am enjoying it on my MP3 player, so I don't bother going to the Youtube page, unless I'm trying to grab the link and give it to my friends.
Still, 3 days. And it's not even a music video, just a song.
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Hi guys!
This is my first poste in this fantastic forum!
I noticed that there isn't a PRESENTATION thread, so I introduce myself here!.
I'm Matt, 24, and I'm Italian.
I just want to say that this son is absolutely amazing.
I needed to listen to it many times, but I suddenly fell in love with it.
It's so epic, great rhythms, great sounds.
and Mangini..ooooooooh...mangini is just fantastic.
I hope to enjoy my time here with you all!
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For those who think Trunk's comment was NOT negative : do you forget that this prick spilled the beans just before the official announcement of MM as the new DT drummer?
B.Lee
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Hi guys!
This is my first poste in this fantastic forum!
I noticed that there isn't a PRESENTATION thread, so I introduce myself here!.
I'm Matt, 24, and I'm Italian.
I just want to say that this son is absolutely amazing.
I needed to listen to it many times, but I suddenly fell in love with it.
It's so epic, great rhythms, great sounds.
and Mangini..ooooooooh...mangini is just fantastic.
I hope to enjoy my time here with you all!
Welcome to the board Matt! You'll have a lot of fun here!
B.Lee
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Hi guys!
This is my first poste in this fantastic forum!
I noticed that there isn't a PRESENTATION thread, so I introduce myself here!.
I'm Matt, 24, and I'm Italian.
I just want to say that this son is absolutely amazing.
I needed to listen to it many times, but I suddenly fell in love with it.
It's so epic, great rhythms, great sounds.
and Mangini..ooooooooh...mangini is just fantastic.
I hope to enjoy my time here with you all!
Benvenuto Matt! Sono sicuro che questo forum ti piacerà molto, c'è tutto quello (e anche di più) che vorresti sapere sui Dream, ti permette di fare pratica con l'inglese scritto (postare di frequente è un esercizio davvero utile, anche se non facile) e in più è un delirio costante di opinioni, battute e altre scemenze varie. Se vuoi qualche altra informazione da mano italiana c'è un topic da qualche parte in questa sezione (credo sia scivolato in seconda pagina) dove puoi tranquillamente parlare in italiano con gli altri nostri compatrioti sul forum.
That being said, Welcome To The Family ;)
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I noticed that there isn't a PRESENTATION thread, so I introduce myself here!.
Hi, and welcome!
I believe this thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=322.0 is kind of a presentation thread (if you're looking for one) :)
On topic remark:
I think OtBoA is their third best single of all time behind Home and Take the Time (that, acccording to Wikipedia, were singles too)...
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Benvenuto Matt! Sono sicuro che questo forum ti piacerà molto, c'è tutto quello (e anche di più) che vorresti sapere sui Dream, ti permette di fare pratica con l'inglese scritto (postare di frequente è un esercizio davvero utile, anche se non facile) e in più è un delirio costante di opinioni, battute e altre scemenze varie. Se vuoi qualche altra informazione da mano italiana c'è un topic da qualche parte in questa sezione (credo sia scivolato in seconda pagina) dove puoi tranquillamente parlare in italiano con gli altri nostri compatrioti sul forum.
That being said, Welcome To The Family ;)
English is not a problem for me.
I have aunts and uncles, with cousins, in the United States (they live in Syracuse, NY). So I talk to them every single day. Yes, probably i will make some mistakes, but I hope you'll understand. And, of course, I study languages at the university...btw, I will introduce myself in the appropriate thread!!
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After several listens, the song is not nearly as awesome to me as I initially thought. I really dislike the chorus for some reason.
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When Trunk says the DT song sounds like DT, I fail to see how that could possibly be an insult. The guy likes DT, and in light of the changes that have occurred, the fact that they still like the same band is important!
The part about MP still being the best was probably the reason he took the tweet down, but I don't even understand how someone could think that the first part was an insult.
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Well the songs been out for a few days and while people were kinda waiting for Portnoy's response, any response, there didn't seem to be any. Finally we get something but it was only because he had the backing of a good friend in that "See? Told you I was right."manner.
Not to mention his post about The Adrenaline Mob, "I can't wait for you all to hear OUR songs!!" The way he stressed the "Our" clearly means, "As opposed to their."
NO. He DEFINITELY was referring to their cover of "Mob Rules". Read the whole fucking post before you rip MP to pieces:
"Thanks to all who checked out the Live Adrenaline Mob Video of us doing The Mob Rules....I can't wait for you all to hear OUR songs!! The album RULES...release details coming soon..."
:chill
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It's clear that these people aren't intelligent enough to be posting this stuff sarcastically or ironically, they're the sort of people you see in the crowd on the Score DVD.
lol hefdaddy42
I know where Mexico is, motherfucker.
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hefdaddy42 lol
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I don't know what is so wrong with Trunk's post.
Still no words from MP, huh? ;D I don't know why I'd be interested in it, though...
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I think that the vocal melody in the chorus could have been better. But the song is ok, at least better than AROP.
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listening to the song at least 3 times a day to absorbe everything
the only way to listen to it is on headphones.
there's SO MUCH going on.... the people who say hmm drumming is ok.. PLEASE turn on the headphones. when you indeed give it a normal listen..you dont hear anyuthing strange...
but with headphones.. an occasional tom is there a extra ride an shilzze here a shizzle there...it's awesome, it has so many beat changes, the guitar parts look the same but they are different constantly, it's not repeative at all... i didn't chek the bass out that will be my next listen
and as JR said yeaterday and i now can here it..in the intro there's the morpwiz slide :-)
this song is so damn cool..
im not gonna mess with the tweet stuff as i honestly dont give a shit..it's another opion just like i have mine.. and i dont cae about eddy trunk also as i dont know the guy.
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When Trunk says the DT song sounds like DT, I fail to see how that could possibly be an insult. The guy likes DT, and in light of the changes that have occurred, the fact that they still like the same band is important!
The part about MP still being the best was probably the reason he took the tweet down, but I don't even understand how someone could think that the first part was an insult.
I think it's a little more passive aggressive than that. If someone asked you what you thought of the new episode of Doctor Who, and you went "well... it's definitely an episode of Doctor Who." See what I mean? Not exactly tumbling over yourself with the superlatives, there.
And even less so if you were to add "Would've been better with the old guy writing."
For what it's worth, though, I didn't think Trunk was belittling the track, either. Not intentionally - he's playing it on his radio show, for starters, so he's clearly not cheesed off by it. He was never going to start going "oh wow this is SO MUCH BETTER than the last few singles," though - to raise the paddle ominously above the corpse of the girlfriend metaphor once more, you wouldn't start spouting off about how your mate's ex is "way better off with her new man!" while your mate's in the room. And chances are you'd be a little cold to the new guy simply by virtue of him being the new guy, so you know; fair enough.
I do consider it a snifter churlish for Mike to go "look - see? should've been me!" but it's not some massive faux pas - not a million miles away from putting your reviews on a poster, I'd argue. I'd advise Mike to let it go, though. It's a brave new era for a band who was, with their last album, threatening to become a little stale, and for a musician who spent the last couple of years going on about how he probably wouldn't use JLB if he were starting Dream Theater now and how he could've ended up as a metal drummer and isn't just about the prog no-sir-ee.
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I don't think Trunk's comment was that bad. He was probably just trying to make MP feel better, if anything. Of course Trunk isn't going to ever say "Yeah, Mangini is much better than Portnoy!" they are great friends, and the comment is most likely based on that.
In other news, I love OTBoA a lot. Can't stop listening to it, Jordan really owns the song in my opinion.
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When Trunk says the DT song sounds like DT, I fail to see how that could possibly be an insult. The guy likes DT, and in light of the changes that have occurred, the fact that they still like the same band is important!
The part about MP still being the best was probably the reason he took the tweet down, but I don't even understand how someone could think that the first part was an insult.
I think it's a little more passive aggressive than that. If someone asked you what you thought of the new episode of Doctor Who, and you went "well... it's definitely an episode of Doctor Who." See what I mean? Not exactly tumbling over yourself with the superlatives, there.
And even less so if you were to add "Would've been better with the old guy writing."
This exactly.
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When Trunk says the DT song sounds like DT, I fail to see how that could possibly be an insult. The guy likes DT, and in light of the changes that have occurred, the fact that they still like the same band is important!
The part about MP still being the best was probably the reason he took the tweet down, but I don't even understand how someone could think that the first part was an insult.
I think it's a little more passive aggressive than that. If someone asked you what you thought of the new episode of Doctor Who, and you went "well... it's definitely an episode of Doctor Who." See what I mean? Not exactly tumbling over yourself with the superlatives, there.
And even less so if you were to add "Would've been better with the old guy writing."
This exactly.
I agree too.
B.Lee
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Well the songs been out for a few days and while people were kinda waiting for Portnoy's response, any response, there didn't seem to be any. Finally we get something but it was only because he had the backing of a good friend in that "See? Told you I was right."manner.
Not to mention his post about The Adrenaline Mob, "I can't wait for you all to hear OUR songs!!" The way he stressed the "Our" clearly means, "As opposed to their."
I think with that MP was simply talking about how so far the only song we've heard them play is a cover, and MP wants fans to hear the album they made.
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Could we please stop this speculation?
I think it is quite clear that both DT and MP are moving on, and are offering us more interesting music and everyone seems happy doing what they do.
It's a bit annoying trying to find hidden meanings behind every tweet and word from both sides, and i think its not good to stay in the past, especially when the future seems so promising.
Sorry if my post is offending for some people, i just believe that its time to move on.
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Could we please stop this speculation?
I think it is quite clear that both DT and MP are moving on, and are offering us more interesting music and everyone seems happy doing what they do.
It's a bit annoying trying to find hidden meanings behind every tweet and word from both sides, and i think its not good to stay in the past, especially when the future seems so promising.
Sorry if my post is offending for some people, i just believe that its time to move on.
THIS x10000000
The overanalyzing of EVERY single thing he says now is getting ridiculous
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Could we please stop this speculation?
I think it is quite clear that both DT and MP are moving on, and are offering us more interesting music and everyone seems happy doing what they do.
It's a bit annoying trying to find hidden meanings behind every tweet and word from both sides, and i think its not good to stay in the past, especially when the future seems so promising.
Sorry if my post is offending for some people, i just believe that its time to move on.
Yes, it is so clear that MP has moved on from his feelings towards DT because his only public reaction to the new single was to take a pot shot at it that also more or less said no one can replace him in DT. That's the action of someone who has moved on. Yes, you are completely correct. What was I thinking?
::)
EDIT: Also, watch or read any real MP interview. The guy's more media savvy than some politicians. The idea he's saying what he's saying merely because he doesn't understand the impact his comments would have makes no sense. The only reason he can't is because his own emotions are blinding him.
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When Trunk says the DT song sounds like DT, I fail to see how that could possibly be an insult. The guy likes DT, and in light of the changes that have occurred, the fact that they still like the same band is important!
The part about MP still being the best was probably the reason he took the tweet down, but I don't even understand how someone could think that the first part was an insult.
I think it's a little more passive aggressive than that. If someone asked you what you thought of the new episode of Doctor Who, and you went "well... it's definitely an episode of Doctor Who." See what I mean? Not exactly tumbling over yourself with the superlatives, there.
Firstly, there isn't any scope to write loads of superlatives on Twitter because of the ridiculous limit to how many characters you can type.
Secondly, if I asked someone who I knew was a big fan of Doctor Who what they thought of the new episode and they basically said "classic Doctor Who", I would assume that was a good thing. Trunk likes DT, and appears to think that the new song is line with his expectations from them. Only on DTF could a DT fan saying that the band still sound like DT be construed as an insult. :lol
And even less so if you were to add "Would've been better with the old guy writing."
That's not really the same though. Following the same analogy, it would be "Moffat is amazing, although I do still prefer RTD", and to really complete the analogy the person in question would know RTD personally and so that loyalty would be expected.
But I agree that that part was unnecessary and controversial, so I can see why he removed it.
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Also, watch or read any real MP interview. The guy's more media savvy than some politicians. The idea he's saying what he's saying merely because he doesn't understand the impact his comments would have makes no sense. The only reason he can't is because his own emotions are blinding him.
Yep.
Also, I think everyone would agree that last night's thing would have been no big deal if it was an isolated thing. Ya know, if he had said nothing else since the split, but the fact that he constantly plays the victim practically every time DT comes up in an interview, and occasionally takes subtle shots at his former band members, makes this a cumulative thing, meaning last night was just another subtle dig. The fact that it was deleted speaks volumes. I mean, if there is nothing wrong with the tweet, why delete it?
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What did he tweet?
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
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Also, Trunk hasn't actually deleted it at all, so I don't know where people got that from. ???
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
drama here, drama there
Reading about wild speculations like that was funny when MP left, now it's just pathetic and annoying.
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Also, Trunk hasn't actually deleted it at all, so I don't know where people got that from. ???
I think it was that Portnoy deleted his retweet of it.
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Anyway, On the Backs of Angels...good tune, eh? ;)
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Is this thread about the song or MP and Trunk. I've never understood why people can't stay on topic.
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
If Eddie Trunk wanted to be complimentary, wouldn't he have said something complimentary that wasn't ambiguous and open to interpretation?
"Spinning the new DT single right now, they still have the DT touch. MM's no MP, but he's definitely a monster!"
Under 140 characters, definitely positive.
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Is this thread about the song or MP and Trunk. I've never understood why people can't stay on topic.
Well, much of the recent talk was about Trunk's reaction to the song, his tweet and then Portnoy's retweet, so technically it was about the song.
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Anyway, On the Backs of Angels...good tune, eh? ;)
Even I don't think it's a bad one :lol That must mean something, right?
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i just dont get why he would even say 'same old '. wouldnt that be a knock against portnoy as well? i dont think the first sentence is a problem.
Possibly. I take it as Trunk hinting that the band isn't treading any new ground and can finally say that because his pal Portnoy isn't in the picture. The last two albums weren't new ground either but he seemed to love the singles from those, probably not to offend Portnoy who was debuting them.
Or he could be defending Portnoy in Jericho fashion by saying the band is trying to survive by imitating what worked when he was in the band.
Did Jericho say that?
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i just dont get why he would even say 'same old '. wouldnt that be a knock against portnoy as well? i dont think the first sentence is a problem.
Possibly. I take it as Trunk hinting that the band isn't treading any new ground and can finally say that because his pal Portnoy isn't in the picture. The last two albums weren't new ground either but he seemed to love the singles from those, probably not to offend Portnoy who was debuting them.
Or he could be defending Portnoy in Jericho fashion by saying the band is trying to survive by imitating what worked when he was in the band.
Did Jericho say that?
I believe it. He's become a sour puss about the situation as well.
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
If Eddie Trunk wanted to be complimentary, wouldn't he have said something complimentary that wasn't ambiguous and open to interpretation?
"Spinning the new DT single right now, they still have the DT touch. MM's no MP, but he's definitely a monster!"
Under 140 characters, definitely positive.
But do you admit that what he did say could be interpreted as having that exact same meaning?
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
-J
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
If Eddie Trunk wanted to be complimentary, wouldn't he have said something complimentary that wasn't ambiguous and open to interpretation?
"Spinning the new DT single right now, they still have the DT touch. MM's no MP, but he's definitely a monster!"
Under 140 characters, definitely positive.
If he wanted to take a dig, wouldn't he leave out the obviously positive stuff? I agree your wording is slightly better, if only because it might have avoided all this pretty bizarre speculation, but I'm not actually sure it would have helped. And really I don't see anything wrong with Trunk's wording as it is.
The only thing that is slightly ambiguous is MP's apparent retweeting of it, but I would have thought it was because of the compliment to him (we know how much MP likes to big himself up) rather than any dig at DT.
Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
-J
And as I've explained, I fail to see how someone WHO LIKES DT saying that THE SONG SOUNDS LIKE DT could possibly be an insult.
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
-J
Your post sounds... like j.
Is that offensive to you? :S
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
-J
Your post sounds... like j.
Is that offensive to you? :S
That depends on whether you like J's posts usually or not. :lol I for one think he's an excellent poster, so if I said that then yeah obviously it would be a compliment.
But yeah that's not bad analogy actually, I think everyone knows how much I love robwebster's posts here. If he posted something and I said "typical Rob", I would HOPE that people didn't think I was insulting it.
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Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
-J
And as I've explained, I fail to see how someone WHO LIKES DT saying that THE SONG SOUNDS LIKE DT could possibly be an insult.
Regardless of your general like or dislike of band X, when they release new material, would you really say "well, this sure sounds like...band X" and intend it to be "clearly a compliment to the song"? I never said it was an outright insult, but a "clear compliment" is just as absurd.
Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
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Your post sounds... like j.
Is that offensive to you? :S
ARGH YES! :censored :censored :censored
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EDIT: I for one think he's an excellent poster, so if I said that then yeah obviously it would be a compliment.
Likewise. :-* Which is why I'm shocked and appalled that you have this ridiculous opinion! :biggrin:
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But do you admit that what he did say could be interpreted as having that exact same meaning?
No. Every time I've seen every person I've ever interacted with in even the most superficial way "that band's song sounds like... that band," it's been negative. Even when they like a band. It's like when someone asks you how one of your friends is doing and you say "Eh... Jimmy's Jimmy." He's your friend, but he was being annoying and/or unsatisfactory that day.
I mean, question to Jaffa, are you American? Because I know ariich is British, and maybe in Britain the language is different. Because I cannot stress enough that in America saying "It sounded like... DT" is universal code for having a negative opinion of it. I showed one of my friends who doesn't really like Dream Theater the single, you know what he said? You do know where this is going right?
"It sounds like Dream Theater dude."
Ah well, Jerry's gonna be Jerry sometimes.
If he wanted to take a dig, wouldn't he leave out the obviously positive stuff?
Well, it's not obviously positive.
And also, there's no way he'd ever openly insult the song unless he truly hated it. RR might cut him off from playing future DT material/singles, and he doesn't need to have a bunch of headlines saying "NYC Metal DJ Eddie Trunk Blasts Dream Theater, Defends ex-Drummer Mike Portnoy."
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Trunk tweeted that the song sounded like DT and that "Mangini is a monster but there is only one MP of course". Which is clearly a compliment to the song and Mangini's playing while sticking up for his friend MP, but obviously people have somehow interpreted it as a dig at DT, which I still don't understand.
Ariich, dude. I agree that the comment about Mangini and Portnoy was probably not an insult or anything as some have made it out to be. But like Bacong explained 251235 pages ago, the comment about the song sounding "...like DT" is absolutely NOT "clearly a compliment to the song". That's ridiculous!
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Your post sounds... like j.
Is that offensive to you? :S
That depends on whether you like J's posts usually or not. :lol I for one think he's an excellent poster, so if I said that then yeah obviously it would be a compliment.
But yeah that's not bad analogy actually, I think everyone knows how much I love robwebster's posts here. If he posted something and I said "typical Rob", I would HOPE that people didn't think I was insulting it.
Me: What did you think of Rob's post?
Ariich: It was....... Rob.
I'm on the fence now. Over analyzing is a bitch.
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I showed one of my friends who doesn't really like Dream Theater the single, you know what he said? You do know where this is going right?
"It sounds like Dream Theater dude."
Indeed, but Trunk DOES like DT. So that example is meaningless.
And the friend analogy doesn't really work as often you stay friends with people simply because of a history. Especially If they were really that annoying. With music, if something puts you off then you can stop listening to it.
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But do you admit that what he did say could be interpreted as having that exact same meaning?
No. Every time I've seen every person I've ever interacted with in even the most superficial way "that band's song sounds like... that band," it's been negative. Even when they like a band. It's like when someone asks you how one of your friends is doing and you say "Eh... Jimmy's Jimmy." He's your friend, but he was being annoying and/or unsatisfactory that day.
I mean, question to Jaffa, are you American? Because I know ariich is British, and maybe in Britain the language is different. Because I cannot stress enough that in America saying "It sounded like... DT" is universal code for having a negative opinion of it. I showed one of my friends who doesn't really like Dream Theater the single, you know what he said? You do know where this is going right?
"It sounds like Dream Theater dude."
Ah well, Jerry's gonna be Jerry sometimes.
I'm American. And as an American, I didn't even understand how the message could be construed as offensive until Zook translated it for me.
I'm also a Metallica fan, and when Death Magnetic was released, I heard a lot of people say, "Sounds like Metallica." I can't say for certain that anyone said, "Sounds... like Metallica." But a lot of people said it sounded like Metallica, and what they meant was, it finally sounded like Metallica again, as opposed to St. Anger which they felt was bad.
So yes, I have had experience with people saying that a band sounds like itself and meaning it in a positive way.
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Does Death Magnetic really sound like Metallica?????...
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Reap, another problem with your analogy is that when someone says "Eh, Tim is Tim", it's in reference to a specific character flaw, which everyone in the dialogue presumably knows about. If Tim was some great philanthropist who spent his time saving lives and volunteering for charities, that exact same comment would inherently be complimentary.
I would agree with you if it was known that there was something about DT that Trunk disliked, but as far as I know he likes the band and their music. A comment like that simply means that nothing has changed. The comment in itself can only mean that it is as standard and therefore his feelings towards it are also as standard, i.e. he likes it.
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Does Death Magnetic really sound like Metallica?????...
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I'M MADLY IN ANGER WITH YOU.
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Indeed, but Trunk DOES like DT. So that example is meaningless.
And the friend analogy doesn't really work as often you stay friends with people simply because of a history. Especially If they were really that annoying. With music, if something puts you off then you can stop listening to it.
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You don't think Eddie Trunk listened to OTBOA moreso because of his history with the band than anything else? It's always seemed to me that he's been more of a fan/friend of MP over anything else.
I'm American.
I'm also a Metallica fan, and when Death Magnetic was released, I heard a lot of people say, "Sounds like Metallica." I can't say for certain that anyone said, "Sounds... like Metallica." But a lot of people said it sounded like Metallica, and what they meant was, it finally sounded like Metallica again, as opposed to St. Anger which they felt was bad.
So yes, I have had experience with people saying that a band sounds like itself and meaning it in a positive way.
That's a super specific example. And even in that case, the people who liked it were saying "Holy crap it sounds like I'm listening to Metallica again!" The people who didn't like it basically said "It sounds like... Old Metallica."
Just because you CAN interpret Trunk's comment as positive doesn't mean there's a realistic chance people use it that way. No one ever does. Why is this the exception, especially with both Trunk and MP's behavior (digs at DT, negativity over the whole thing) backing up the more negative one? It makes no sense.
Reap, another problem with your analogy is that when someone says "Eh, Tim is Tim", it's in reference to a specific character flaw, which everyone in the dialogue presumably knows about. If Tim was some great philanthropist who spent his time saving lives and volunteering for charities, that exact same comment would inherently be complimentary.
Yeah, but nobody would ever say that.
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I'm American.
I'm also a Metallica fan, and when Death Magnetic was released, I heard a lot of people say, "Sounds like Metallica." I can't say for certain that anyone said, "Sounds... like Metallica." But a lot of people said it sounded like Metallica, and what they meant was, it finally sounded like Metallica again, as opposed to St. Anger which they felt was bad.
So yes, I have had experience with people saying that a band sounds like itself and meaning it in a positive way.
That's a super specific example. And even in that case, the people who liked it were saying "Holy crap it sounds like I'm listening to Metallica again!" The people who didn't like it basically said "It sounds like... Old Metallica."
Just because you CAN interpret Trunk's comment as positive doesn't mean there's a realistic chance people use it that way. No one ever does. Why is this the exception, especially with both Trunk and MP's behavior (digs at DT, negativity over the whole thing) backing up the more negative one? It makes no sense.
The thing is, I think it's much more open to interpretation than you're letting on. Consider this:
"The new DT track sounds... like DT. :metal"
"The new DT track sounds... like DT. :-\"
Same message, different emoticon. In one it's obviously positive, in the other it is definitely negative. Which means that the comment by itself does have the potential to be EITHER negative OR positive.
The message is at worst ambiguous.
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Can't believe people actually are arguing over a MP tweet...in the wrong thread.
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Can't believe people actually are arguing over a MP tweet...in the wrong thread.
It's either this or watch porn, and my penis is feeling very noodley.
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Can't believe people actually are arguing over a MP tweet...in the wrong thread.
It's either this or watch porn, and my penis is feeling very noodley.
I can help
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I can help
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Well, that derailed things. Nice job Darklord!
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Can't believe people actually are arguing over a MP tweet...in the wrong thread.
It's not the wrong thread, it's about a tweet about the song.
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DTF: Discussing Tangents Forever.
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DTF: Discussing Tangents Forever.
:lol
You win an internet.
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I'm also a Metallica fan, and when Death Magnetic was released, I heard a lot of people say, "Sounds like Metallica." I can't say for certain that anyone said, "Sounds... like Metallica." But a lot of people said it sounded like Metallica, and what they meant was, it finally sounded like Metallica again, as opposed to St. Anger which they felt was bad.
The difference in this case would be that a recent criticism (valid or not) of DT has been that their music has sounded less inspired and more like just the "same old DT" for the past few albums. To say their new song "sounds...like DT" carries a negative connotation in that context IMO, although it could be neutral. Hard to interpret it as complimentary.
Whereas if I recall, people felt Metallica had really gone astray with St. Anger: that is, they tried something radically different and it failed. In that case, I agree with you. People saying Death Magnetic sounds like Metallica would probably be construed as a positive thing, since the implication is that they DIDN'T sound like Metallica on St. Anger, and that that was a bad thing. There's no such parallel with DT at this point in their history.
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Damn I haven't listened to this song yet today. I must remedy it post haste!
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It seems like everything MP does will be criticized no matter what he does.
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Well, that derailed things. Nice job Darklord!
In here, every thread is a potential homo-erotic thread
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Yup, its great he's doing this for all his fans, but that's why most don't interact with fans as often for this reason alone. What I'm worried about is MP just outright having enough of it and deleting his twitter, facebook, and forum.
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Reap, another problem with your analogy is that when someone says "Eh, Tim is Tim", it's in reference to a specific character flaw, which everyone in the dialogue presumably knows about. If Tim was some great philanthropist who spent his time saving lives and volunteering for charities, that exact same comment would inherently be complimentary.
I would agree with you if it was known that there was something about DT that Trunk disliked, but as far as I know he likes the band and their music. A comment like that simply means that nothing has changed. The comment in itself can only mean that it is as standard and therefore his feelings towards it are also as standard, i.e. he likes it.
I think you're ignoring the that a large amount of the criticism DT has received over the years is them recycling their sound, having a "DT" instrumental section, just in general throwing together the first 80 minutes of music they can without any sort of coherent sound.
I would think anyone, anywhere, who is familiar with the band and has listened for awhile, and upon having heard the new song remarks that "sounds like another DT song" would NOT be a positive. Even if you loved DT, honestly, would the first thing that came into your head be "Yay! They still sound like DT!" how much is their sound going to change?
I don't care that he only had 140 characters. If you like something, there's more than enough room to express that in that limit, even while loving on MP.
As for Trunk liking DT? He liked DT with Portnoy in it. He's Portnoy's friend. This is his first indication how he feels about the band minus MP. Not very expressive eh?
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I'm also a Metallica fan, and when Death Magnetic was released, I heard a lot of people say, "Sounds like Metallica." I can't say for certain that anyone said, "Sounds... like Metallica." But a lot of people said it sounded like Metallica, and what they meant was, it finally sounded like Metallica again, as opposed to St. Anger which they felt was bad.
The difference in this case would be that a recent criticism (valid or not) of DT has been that their music has sounded less inspired and more like just the "same old DT" for the past few albums. To say their new song "sounds...like DT" carries a negative connotation in that context IMO, although it could be neutral. Hard to interpret it as complimentary.
Whereas if I recall, people felt Metallica had really gone astray with St. Anger: that is, they tried something radically different and it failed. In that case, I agree with you. People saying Death Magnetic sounds like Metallica would probably be construed as a positive thing, since the implication is that they DIDN'T sound like Metallica on St. Anger, and that that was a bad thing. There's no such parallel with DT at this point in their history.
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Yup. There's better ways to say it while still essentially saying the same thing. He could have said "sounds like something off Images and Words!" Which is saying it sounds like DT, but on arguably their best album.
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The whole argument that "it sounds like DT" is an insult to the band hinges on the idea that he was faking his like of DT in the past. Yeah, this isn't reaching at all.
Yup. There's better ways to say it while still essentially saying the same thing. He could have said "sounds like something off Images and Words!" Which is saying it sounds like DT, but on arguably their best album.
It would also be wrong; it doesn't sound anything like something off I&W.
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The whole argument that "it sounds like DT" is an insult to the band hinges on the idea that he was faking his like of DT in the past. Yeah, this isn't reaching at all.
Yup. There's better ways to say it while still essentially saying the same thing. He could have said "sounds like something off Images and Words!" Which is saying it sounds like DT, but on arguably their best album.
It would also be wrong; it doesn't sound anything like something off I&W.
The matter of whether it sounds like I&W is subjective to begin with(along with whether he though it was arguably their best album), so the statement could neither be right OR wrong. If he had said that, it would either be negative or positive depending on if he liked I&W.
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The whole argument that "it sounds like DT" is an insult to the band hinges on the idea that he was faking his like of DT in the past. Yeah, this isn't reaching at all.
Yup. There's better ways to say it while still essentially saying the same thing. He could have said "sounds like something off Images and Words!" Which is saying it sounds like DT, but on arguably their best album.
It would also be wrong; it doesn't sound anything like something off I&W.
The matter of whether it sounds like I&W is subjective to begin with(along with whether he though it was arguably their best album), so the statement could neither be right OR wrong. If he had said that, it would either be negative or positive depending on if he liked I&W.
Not to mention that, if people are already assuming that his previous enjoyment of DT was just a ploy so he could keep MP happy (making his comment that the song sounds like DT an insult), then I don't see why him saying "it sounds like I&W" would make any difference. If he actually disliked DT all along then that would still be the exact same insult as what he did post.
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We wouldn't be here arguing about this had he said that, because I&W is one of their most popular albums.
Also, the song has a definite Pull Me Under vibe.
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We wouldn't be here arguing about this had he said that, because I&W is one of their most popular albums.
Also, the song has a definite Pull Me Under vibe.
I&W being popular doesn't mean he would still think it's their best album; and OTBOA having the Pull Me Under vibe is once again subjective (I think it does, you think it does, some other people think it does but at the same time other people don't).
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The whole argument that "it sounds like DT" is an insult to the band hinges on the idea that he was faking his like of DT in the past. Yeah, this isn't reaching at all.
No, it hinges on the idea that a lot of the criticism DT gets from people is in the form of "well, that sure is a Dream Theater song."
The only way you can infer that it is positive is because he supposedly likes DT. I'm just saying; if I liked a song, and am aware of the fanbase and how they are perceived and what their criticisms are (which MP assuredly is), I wouldn't come out and say "and it sounds exactly.....like DT" and then go on to praise Mike Portnoy.
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You know what though. Who really cares? He thinks it sounds like DT... Now, let's say that's not a good thing in his eyes. Let's say he thinks, "Oh, it just sounds like the same ol' DT. They should do a thrash album, cause that's more metulz!"
Do we really care about what people like that think? If people don't feel DT's music, then screw em. The simple fact is, if DT had done something extremely new with this album, then all of us here would be saying, "Well, it's new, and it's different, and I like it... But it's just not DT."
And THAT would be a bad thing. I don't want NOT DT. There are thousands of bands out there I could listen to if I want to listen to not DT. But you know, I need a fix of new DT in my life, every two years. That's all it comes down to.
So if he says, "Same ol DT, not doing anything new," and he thinks it's a bad thing, then screw him. He should go listen to some new Metalcore crap. Or HIM.
Besides, "Sounds like DT" is arguably a contradictory statement. Yes, there might be a certain way JP plays his guitar, or a certain signature way JR plays the keyboards, or LaBrie's unique vocal quality, but in terms of music itself, is there really a DT sound? Because I recall hearing every DT album and saying, "Man, this sounds really different from their others stuff."
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We wouldn't be here arguing about this had he said that, because I&W is one of their most popular albums.
Also, the song has a definite Pull Me Under vibe.
I&W being popular doesn't mean he would still think it's their best album; and OTBOA having the Pull Me Under vibe is once again subjective (I think it does, you think it does, some other people think it does but at the same time other people don't).
Yeah but like I said my point is there wouldn't be much left for interpretation had he said that. I would assume it was positive; at the very least non-negative. He had a very blase reaction to the song. I've never seen "Sounds like ___" used in a positive way, have you? Anytime I see it, it's a negative, and towards a band that has a similar output most of the time. I also see it amended with a "but that's not a bad thing" from time to time.
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Has anyone taken into consideration that MP may have misunderstood ET's tweet, which is why he later removed it? Besides which, if we can't figure out what he meant, why are we still trying?
We wouldn't be here arguing about this had he said that, because I&W is one of their most popular albums.
Also, the song has a definite Pull Me Under vibe.
I&W being popular doesn't mean he would still think it's their best album; and OTBOA having the Pull Me Under vibe is once again subjective (I think it does, you think it does, some other people think it does but at the same time other people don't).
Yeah but like I said my point is there wouldn't be much left for interpretation had he said that. I would assume it was positive; at the very least non-negative. He had a very blase reaction to the song. I've never seen "Sounds like ___" used in a positive way, have you? Anytime I see it, it's a negative, and towards a band that has a similar output most of the time. I also see it amended with a "but that's not a bad thing" from time to time.
I'm not sure if it's positive or negative because we can't very well damn tell, and I'm not trying to form an answer based on little information besides my experiences. It would be much easier to tell if there was tone of voice involved rather than letters.
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We wouldn't be here arguing about this had he said that, because I&W is one of their most popular albums.
The only reason we're arguing about this is because people are going out of their way to look for things to get upset over. Like I said, the only way what he said could be an insult is if you assume he secretly never liked DT to begin with. And if that were the case saying it sounds like I&W would still have been an insult coming from him.
As for the MM comment, regardless of if it were intended a slight or not I get the feeling that MM himself would agree with the sentiment.
And I'm still not buying any of this "it sounds like I&W/PMU." If anything I'd say it sounds like something off of SDOIT.
No, it hinges on the idea that a lot of the criticism DT gets from people is in the form of "well, that sure is a Dream Theater song."
Then how would saying it sounds like I&W be any different? It's still the exact same "criticism" if you're going to take it negatively. The only reason to take it as an insult is if you already feel there's something inherently negative about saying the song sounds like DT in general (or modern DT, I'm getting the feeling).
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I've already explained why that could be perceived as a negative, and the fact that it has, dozens and dozens of times in my own experience. Saying it sounds like I&W is probably a bad example, whatever -- at least it's more descriptive.
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You know what though. Who really cares? He thinks it sounds like DT... Now, let's say that's not a good thing in his eyes. Let's say he thinks, "Oh, it just sounds like the same ol' DT. They should do a thrash album, cause that's more metulz!"
Do we really care about what people like that think?
I suspect that most wouldn't have given a crap had Portnoy not retweeted it.
Besides, "Sounds like DT" is arguably a contradictory statement. Yes, there might be a certain way JP plays his guitar, or a certain signature way JR plays the keyboards, or LaBrie's unique vocal quality, but in terms of music itself, is there really a DT sound?
Yes.
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Has anyone taken into consideration that MP may have misunderstood ET's tweet, which is why he later removed it? Besides which, if we can't figure out what he meant, why are we still trying?
Yes. It's entirely possible. I mentioned that he may have misread it a few pages back.
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I've already explained why that could be perceived as a negative, and the fact that it has, dozens and dozens of times in my own experience. Saying it sounds like I&W is probably a bad example, whatever -- at least it's more descriptive.
It wouldn't matter, because you guys have already decided that either:
1) He secretly dislikes DT.
2) DT sounding like DT is in of itself a criticism.
I'm going to take a leap here and guess that a lot of the people who think his comment was an insult are also people who have been less than satisfied with DT's recent albums. The reason saying it sounds like I&W would immediately be thought of as positive and "it sounds like DT" negative is because "it sounds like DT" brings to mind their more recent albums, and someone who doesn't think too highly of them and would prefer a return to the "I&W days" would think of the comment as negative.
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Has anyone taken into consideration that MP may have misunderstood ET's tweet, which is why he later removed it? Besides which, if we can't figure out what he meant, why are we still trying?
Yes. It's entirely possible. I mentioned that he may have misread it a few pages back.
I guess I missed it then, with the 3 posts per second and whatnot :P
I've already explained why that could be perceived as a negative, and the fact that it has, dozens and dozens of times in my own experience. Saying it sounds like I&W is probably a bad example, whatever -- at least it's more descriptive.
It wouldn't matter, because you guys have already decided that either:
1) He secretly dislikes DT.
2) DT sounding like DT is in of itself a criticism.
I'm going to take a leap here and guess that a lot of the people who think his comment was an insult are also people who have been less than satisfied with DT's recent albums. The reason saying it sounds like I&W would immediately be thought of as positive and "it sounds like DT" negative is because "it sounds like DT" brings to mind their more recent albums, and someone who doesn't think too highly of them would initially think of the comment as negative.
Well this is the Dream Theater fanbase, we're all opinionated dickbags here.
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I interpret Trunk's tweet as meaning, "It sounds like just another run-of-the-mill DT song," which is his way of agreeing with Portnoy's assessment that the band needed to take a break, but without actually coming out and saying it.
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I've already explained why that could be perceived as a negative, and the fact that it has, dozens and dozens of times in my own experience. Saying it sounds like I&W is probably a bad example, whatever -- at least it's more descriptive.
It wouldn't matter, because you guys have already decided that either:
1) He secretly dislikes DT.
2) DT sounding like DT is in of itself a criticism.
I'm going to take a leap here and guess that a lot of the people who think his comment was an insult are also people who have been less than satisfied with DT's recent albums. The reason saying it sounds like I&W would immediately be thought of as positive and "it sounds like DT" negative is because "it sounds like DT" brings to mind their more recent albums, and someone who doesn't think too highly of them and would prefer a return to the "I&W days" would think of the comment as negative.
Yes, you have a legitimate point. I agree. But like I said, I can imagine someone saying "sounds like DT" to be a non-negative thing, but not positive. I've just never seen it used in that context without some sort of further comment.
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I interpret Trunk's tweet as meaning, "It sounds like just another run-of-the-mill DT song," which is his way of agreeing with Portnoy's assessment that the band needed to take a break, but without actually coming out and saying it.
I'm pretty sure MP said he thought the relationships between the members, not the music, was getting stale.
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I've already explained why that could be perceived as a negative, and the fact that it has, dozens and dozens of times in my own experience. Saying it sounds like I&W is probably a bad example, whatever -- at least it's more descriptive.
It wouldn't matter, because you guys have already decided that either:
1) He secretly dislikes DT.
2) DT sounding like DT is in of itself a criticism.
I'm going to take a leap here and guess that a lot of the people who think his comment was an insult are also people who have been less than satisfied with DT's recent albums. The reason saying it sounds like I&W would immediately be thought of as positive and "it sounds like DT" negative is because "it sounds like DT" brings to mind their more recent albums, and someone who doesn't think too highly of them and would prefer a return to the "I&W days" would think of the comment as negative.
Yes, you have a legitimate point. I agree. But like I said, I can imagine someone saying "sounds like DT" to be a non-negative thing, but not positive. I've just never seen it used in that context without some sort of further comment.
He definitely wasn't being overtly positive about it, or else he'd just call the song great or something. I took it as meaning pretty much what Kev said; a mid road or run of the mill DT song which is pretty close to how I see it.
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Which is precisely why I found it silly that MP retweeted it. Sort of a "see? I was right!"
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I interpret Trunk's tweet as meaning, "It sounds like just another run-of-the-mill DT song," which is his way of agreeing with Portnoy's assessment that the band needed to take a break, but without actually coming out and saying it.
I'm pretty sure MP said he thought the relationships between the members, not the music, was getting stale.
Doesn't it go without saying that, if the relationship between the band members gets stale, so will the music?
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Not necessarily. I can think of some bands who've done their best work while the members weren't really getting along/becoming detached.
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Which is precisely why I found it silly that MP retweeted it. Sort of a "see? I was right!"
Has MP learned nothing over the past few months?
B.Lee
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I interpret Trunk's tweet as meaning, "It sounds like just another run-of-the-mill DT song," which is his way of agreeing with Portnoy's assessment that the band needed to take a break, but without actually coming out and saying it.
I'm pretty sure MP said he thought the relationships between the members, not the music, was getting stale.
Doesn't it go without saying that, if the relationship between the band members gets stale, so will the music?
No, it doesn't. They are two very different things. He even said it himself at one point during an interview that all of their musical inspiration was there when they wrote the last two albums, when he was questioned about the staleness of the albums. While others may think they got stale, he obviously didn't think so.
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Not necessarily. I can think of some bands who've done their best work while the members weren't really getting along/becoming detached.
Yup. Abbey Road was recorded while the band was hardly a band anymore.
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Fleetwood Mac - Rumours too
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So am I a bad fan if I say I like the song? I can hear the work of JP, JM, JR and JLB but I'm not saying it sounds like the old DT. DT always try to do something new with their new albums and this sounds new. So I hope it won't dissapoint... :facepalm:
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You know what though. Who really cares? He thinks it sounds like DT...
Yes, but arguing is like a vortex: no matter how little you care in the first place, once you start, it's easy to get sucked further and further in.
This conversation in a nutshell:
"That Tweet was negative."
"No it wasn't."
"Meh. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't."
Back and forth for a few pages, stretched out because of overreaction and overexplanation.
And yes, I absolutely am guilty of this. Because it's fun.
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Yeah, but the Beatles were one of those bands who were always going at it and trying to outdo the other (Lennon and McCartney were always trying to outdo the other in terms of songwriting). Queen was the same way. To my knowledge, Dream Theater has never been like that, so this is it not a black and white thing here.
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No it's not but you just insinuated it was with
Doesn't it go without saying that, if the relationship between the band members gets stale, so will the music?
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No it's not but you just insinuated it was with Doesn't it go without saying that, if the relationship between the band members gets stale, so will the music?
Perhaps, but that was more in reference to Dream Theater than it being a general statement. I probably should have worded it better. It is hard to imagine a band like DT sustaining their musical excellence if the core writing team isn't getting along as well. That was pretty much what I meant (but didn't convey well).
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Yeah that's what I figured.
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This is, in a nutshell, the reason why it's a bad idea to say and discuss things using text. If everyone in this thread would sit down and discuss this face to face, we would understand each other much better. Basically because of that text is too "simple" to discuss things involving emotions. (I think that the invention of smileys is a way to compensate for this)
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Yet I only see emoticons here OUTSIDE of intense debate.
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There's been a lot of misunderstanding, but the debate has been pretty civil and relatively un-emotional as far as I can tell.
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This is, in a nutshell, the reason why it's a bad idea to say and discuss things using text. If everyone in this thread would sit down and discuss this face to face, we would understand each other much better. Basically because of that text is too "simple" to discuss things involving emotions. (I think that the invention of smileys is a way to compensate for this)
ban the internet!
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There's been a lot of misunderstanding, but the debate has been pretty civil and relatively un-emotional as far as I can tell.
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I'm just surprised it's STILL going on. Holy geez.
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Why does it matter that it's still going on?
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Why does it matter that it's still going on?
Because it was just such a small comment, and a small action to retweet it. And it's just surprising that people are still going on about it.
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Which is precisely why I found it silly that MP retweeted it. Sort of a "see? I was right!"
Don't really see why it should matter in the end, if that's how he feels then he's entitled to that. He shouldn't have retweeted it if only because he should have realized that people would blow it out of proportion and make it out to be more than what it is (a previous band member thinks the band's most recent song is ok) In an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue, but oh well.
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Man a lot of the people on here have said they moved on from Portnoy, but are arguing over him retweeting Eddie Trunk's tweet. If you really have moved on, then why do you care what he said?
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false dichotomy
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This is, in a nutshell, the reason why it's a bad idea to say and discuss things using text. If everyone in this thread would sit down and discuss this face to face, we would understand each other much better. Basically because of that text is too "simple" to discuss things involving emotions. (I think that the invention of smileys is a way to compensate for this)
ban the internet!
The internet is good for many things, but it's a relatively poor channel for expressing opinions.
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lol
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It seems like everything MP does will be criticized no matter what he does.
In all fairness, he has earned that honestly.
At this point, I no longer care what either Eddie Trunk or Mike Portnoy thinks about this song.
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The entire problem is that MP retweeted the tweet (in light of the fact that he is no longer in the band, and the tweet is about the band's very first output without him).
He really needs to learn to not hit the "post" button without thinking about the consequences. You'd think he'd learn by now given the past 9 months or so, and he shouldn't wonder why people leave him some of the comments and think some of the thoughts that they do. It's embarrassing on his part no matter his intentions.
MP is a respectable musician, but I really get turned off by his media presence, because it seems passive-aggressive toward the band in general, even if he is being honest and innocent. Some things you just need to keep to yourself and work it out on your own time, out of media spotlight. I almost believe he LIKES creating added/unnecessary public drama to the fans.
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Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.
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Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.
That cymbal work is outrageous, I love it! :D
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I personally couldn't give a rats behind if Eddie Trunk likes or dislikes the song. I happen to like the song a great deal and that's all that we should care about, whether we as individuals like it. And btw I didn't take his tweet as a shot at DT. He's Mikes friend I didn't expect him to go overboard about it .
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Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.
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This is why I hate Twitter.
And Facebook.
And MySpace.
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Why? It's the people that use/misuse them? People can use them fine but some people can't without starting drama. MP seems to be in the latter category.
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Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.
If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable?
For those who think Trunk's comment was NOT negative : do you forget that this prick spilled the beans just before the official announcement of MM as the new DT drummer?
B.Lee
That's enough of that. This forum does not exist for you to call people names, whether they are members of this forum or not.
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I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.
As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.
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The entire problem is that MP retweeted the tweet (in light of the fact that he is no longer in the band, and the tweet is about the band's very first output without him).
He really needs to learn to not hit the "post" button without thinking about the consequences. You'd think he'd learn by now given the past 9 months or so, and he shouldn't wonder why people leave him some of the comments and think some of the thoughts that they do. It's embarrassing on his part no matter his intentions.
MP is a respectable musician, but I really get turned off by his media presence, because it seems passive-aggressive toward the band in general, even if he is being honest and innocent. Some things you just need to keep to yourself and work it out on your own time, out of media spotlight. I almost believe he LIKES creating added/unnecessary public drama to the fans.
Agreed, on all accounts for the most part.
It is so strange, because you watch the Transatlantic and Neal Morse DVDs, and in the behind the scenes, making of, etc. footage, Portnoy comes off as so down-to-earth and likable, but flip on a Dream Theater one, and it is like flipping a switch.
As for liking to create unnecessary drama, I think it is more about him wanting...check that...NEEDING to be in the limelight, being talked about, etc. With the new DT song out, notice how he went on a "tweet about AM" binge immediately after. Imagine how it will be when the whole album is released in September! ;) :lol
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I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.
As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.
NOTHING IS OVER!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!
But while I don't really approve of trolling, A7X fans have done their share. Frankly, the band isn't even on the same radar of musicianship as DT. So they shouldn't even have a right to say anything bad about DT. My opinion of course.
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I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.
As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.
You had the picture of JP and you were to his right with a black jacket right? I'm sorry to sound like a creeper, I just remember you :P
At least I still have Taffer over there
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I got banned from mps Facebook page for destroying a7x. I had people so angry they were sick over it. Also my posts got deleted. The trolling was so epic I couldn't stop, was like the ending to return of the king. That's two mp things I've gotten banned from for trashing a7x. Well worth it.
As far as the tweet goes... Who cares really. Mp is now in a band with mike orlando. It's over Johnny. It's over.
NOTHING IS OVER!!!! NOTHING!!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!
But while I don't really approve of trolling, A7X fans have done their share. Frankly, the band isn't even on the same radar of musicianship as DT. So they shouldn't even have a right to say anything bad about DT. My opinion of course.
I could not agree more with the above statement. :tup
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
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Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.
If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable?
Because he is doing so publicly, and it is too open to interpretation. Like I said, MP should really consider any and every thing he posts, because his passion/emotion often makes him seem like he is taking little jabs at DT's expense after his departure. Even if he is innocent, it just isn't necessary.
I hate to use analogies but: It's like kids who are told not to touch each other. The one kid then puts his finger near the other kid almost touching him, saying "I'm not touching him!" Sure, he isn't, but to an outsider of that event, it's just as bad because the kid feels like he HAS to go there by getting close to the offense without actually doing it. The parallel is that MP is passively posting things that may not be blatantly obvious, but are open enough to make a good chunk of people go "Why would you post that, MP?"
Why can't MP just stay away from saying things, or just carefully word his stuff...especially retweeting someone else's opinion? There is an entire fanbase watching these things, and while not everyone even cares, those that follow the DT/MP world do and it makes us question his integrity on these matters. Someone posted a good example of something MP could have posted that used the same basic words but rephrased. Maybe MP needs a publicist...
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
So in spite all evidence to the contrary JP completely wrote the drums, and DT is not DT without MP in the band. Check and check. True believer I see.
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
JP laid out a basic beat and Mangini was given the freedom to interpret it how he wanted and then he wrote the drum parts. JR confirmed that on his chats the other day.
I hate when people overlook that crucial piece of information. Mangini DID write the drums on the entire album. :metal
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
No he wasn't.
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
No he wasn't.
so who was the drummer of DT before MM..if i said it wrong will this make it clear - "but knowing MP was IN DT"
remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
JP laid out a basic beat and Mangini was given the freedom to interpret it how he wanted and then he wrote the drum parts. JR confirmed that on his chats the other day.
I hate when people overlook that crucial piece of information. Mangini DID write the drums on the entire album. :metal
i think it's how we interpret how JP explained the drums part..write and play is a completely different thing..write and play/add is another thing..
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I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.
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I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.
Mike Portnoy was a drummer for Dream Theater or Mike Portnoy is a former drummer for Dream Theater..
i've made my correction..don't you still get it.. :P
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I love MP, and he's still probably not just in my top 5 favorite drummers ever but top 5 musicians, but I vomit in my mouth every time I read a "MP was DT" comment.
Mike Portnoy was a drummer for Dream Theater or Mike Portnoy is a former drummer for Dream Theater..
i've made my correction..don't you still get it.. :P
Dude, you're talking nonsense. As in, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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He was correcting his earlier post that said "MP was DT". He meant to say "MP was IN DT" or "MP was a former drummer for DT", etc.
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Man, I love that second prechorus whith the 16th notes on the hihat/cymbal because you just know MM is playin that with one hand.
That cymbal work is outrageous, I love it! :D
You bet! Listening closely, there is a MM world I discover with every listen. This guy is a freak!
B.Lee
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Yeah I don't give a damn what ET has to say honestly, but MP's retweet is really questionable no matter his intent.
If he took ET's tweet as a compliment both to DT and to him, why would it be questionable?
For those who think Trunk's comment was NOT negative : do you forget that this prick spilled the beans just before the official announcement of MM as the new DT drummer?
B.Lee
That's enough of that. This forum does not exist for you to call people names, whether they are members of this forum or not.
OK, Bosky, won't do it again! Sorry!
B.Lee
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Just to get back on track here... I think i've listened to the song probably more than 25 times since it came out. Im completely hooked! I think the last DT-song that gave me this "must..listen..to..song...AGAIN" feeling was Octavarium, and thats one of my absolute favs.
One of the main things i like about this song is actually the arrangement. The song manages to keep the listener interested, and never repeats things to many times (hello Nightmare to Remember). When a riff or a melody gets repeated it's never the same either. There may be a subtle change in the melody, rythm or guitar riff that keeps things interesting.
One thing i especially like is when the chorus repeats the last time. Mangini doubles the beat the first couple of bars. Here we believe that they will continue playing the chorus in double time for a complete round, but no! He goes back to the original rythm and ends the chorus the way it does the first couple of times.
These small, simple, subtle changes are just som goddamn appealing, and something i feel have been missing in their music for a while. Even after 25 listens there are things i didn't notice the last time listening. This is something that i feel DT where masters at, but have been hiding for a while.
And, goddamn. Mangini - i love you. Last year, when we started speculating about the whole auditioning process, the last drummer i wanted to be in DT was Mangini. I've never liked his style. I never liked his drum sound. I thought he was way to flashy etc etc. But, oh boy, how i have underestimated him. He fits DT like a glove. At the first listen it was like hearing SFAM-Portnoy playing, but after a couple of listens i can defenitely hear that he is very unique. He playes exactly what the song needs drumming-wise, and spices things up with subtle, but completely insane bits of drumming. I love the fact that it feels like he didn't go 100% Psycho on this one, and just proved to everybody that he fits. We're in for a big treat here guys (and girls). :corn
FUCK. LOVING THIS :metal
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this and i cant wait to hear him go ape :tup
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remember MM played only tracks in the album, he didn't write it..JP did..that's why it is still sounded DT as before..and eddie trunk simply complements it..
he praised mangini in the first place, but knowing MP was DT, he was not able to resist to mention him..
Eddie?
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I didn't read 41 pages.. Has anyone mentioned that OTBOA sounds like James' solo material did the nasty with Liquid Tension Experiment. Obviously it is all the same guys but James, LTE and DT all had there own unique sound to a degree. When I first heard this single it was as if LTE wrote an instrumental and JLB sang over it, again to a degree. I fucking love it. If JLB does some vocal acrobatics on this album I will be pleased.
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Well I got rather drunk the other night and my friend just revealed to me that I belted out several lines of OTBOA to his voicemail inbox. This leads me to believe that it's catchier than I thought - if i can remember it after 10 beer bongs, a crate of miller, some Jack Daniels and various other spirits. ;D
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Well I got rather drunk the other night and my friend just revealed to me that I belted out several lines of OTBOA to his voicemail inbox. This leads me to believe that it's catchier than I thought - if i can remember it after 10 beer bongs, a crate of miller, some Jack Daniels and various other spirits. ;D
"I'M ONTO YOUR AGENDAAAAAAAAAAA!"
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who cares what Eddie Trunk thinks? he's just some radio guy..
I can see why people would be interested in Portnoy's opinion.. he was in the band!
My 2 cents:
I like the song, but it feels incomplete. Compositionally it is not as sound as most DT songs, and honestly, the fact that the song was written by 4/5ths of the band comes through very clearly in the song musically, compositionally, and in the mix. Mangini sounds great, but doesn't have enough presence as a whole, like Portnoy always did. The band's music has always been very guitar/drums based (more recently guitar/drums/keyboards based) and in OTBOA, the drums character seems a little under-developed. Makes sense, though -- Mangini just joined the band, and with time will develop a stronger character in the band.
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The song hasn't gotten any worse in the past few days I've been listening to it, it's only gotten better, so that's a good sign. If the album is going to yield songs like this and better, I am incredibly pumped.
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cannot stop listening to the song. i still love it
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Well I got rather drunk the other night and my friend just revealed to me that I belted out several lines of OTBOA to his voicemail inbox. This leads me to believe that it's catchier than I thought - if i can remember it after 10 beer bongs, a crate of miller, some Jack Daniels and various other spirits. ;D
"I'M ONTO YOUR AGENDAAAAAAAAAAA!"
For some reason whenever I sing that line I feel compelled to continue with:
"...ABUSE, AND THEEEN IGNORE HIM..."
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cannot stop listening to the song. i still love it
Yup, I have a feeling it could sneak up the charts to be one of my favorite DT songs.
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I think i have listened to this song for like 30 times since the release. It's my favorite DT single, actually, I like it even more than PMU.
I really can't wait for the new album.
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I remember something Portnoy said during the Budokan documentary... like that it bothered him when a band got known for a certain style and then did something completely different later in their career. That goes completly against artistic creation IMO. So bands like Opeth, Ulver, Radiohead are in the wrong? Anyway, I don't think it's just Portnoy, it's the vision of the entire band. "Let's do like classic DT!", "The fans won't like that so we shouldn't do that.." etc. I just don't get it... They have the potential to do much more than that...
Also, I think people are really over-analysing this tweet stuff. Yeah it wasn't a wise move but at least he didn't upright talk about the song negatively or something. I do think the tweet sounded negative but it's hard to tell what MP had in mind when he re-tweeted it.
As for the song, it's pretty good but I don't get the urge to go and listen to it again. Might be a grower though, we'll see.
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When I was in high school there was this shitty band and they had a song that had the lyrics "faster and faster, we spiral tooooooooooooooowards disaster" :rollin which makes this song so uncool to me now...
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I remember something Portnoy said during the Budokan documentary... like that it bothered him when a band got known for a certain style and then did something completely different later in their career. That does completly against artistic creation IMO. So bands like Opeth, Ulver, Radiohead are in the wrong? Anyway, I don't think it's just Portnoy, it's the vision of the entire band. "Let's do like classic DT!", "The fans won't like that so we shouldn't do that.." etc. I just don't get it... They have the potential to do much more than that...
Well said.
Also, lol @ all the twitter drama. I had no idea there was so much of it.
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I think i have listened to this song for like 30 times since the release. It's my favorite DT single, actually, I like it even more than PMU.
I really can't wait for the new album.
Yeah, I agree. I liked the lyrics of Pull Me Under more. Frankly, I think when Kevin Moore left, they lost more in terms of a lyricist, than in terms of a keyboardist.
But apart from the lyrics, I definitely like Angels better than Pull Me Under, overall.
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. The piano solo part in this new song makes me cringe every time because it is so unmusical to me. My wife was in the room while I was listening to the song and typically she could care less about DT, but she actually looked up from what she was doing to ask why there was a classical piano part in the song and that it sounds so out of place.
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. The piano solo part in this new song makes me cringe every time because it is so unmusical to me. My wife was in the room while I was listening to the song and typically she could care less about DT, but she actually looked up from what she was doing to ask why there was a classical piano part in the song and that it sounds so out of place.
disagree 100% - I absolutely love the piano piece on the song. Jordans keys on OTBOA are great all the way through, yes there are plenty of notes - which you will always get with him - but imho they are not over the top as maybe they have been in places before. Love KM's contribution to DT too but he left 17 years ago now.
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Generally JR was fine on the song. But he had those moments where he did those stocato keys like he always does, and they were REALLY loud in the mix, maybe if they were a bit quieter, I wouldn't mind them so much. But his piano bit was pretty lame. Nothing horrible or anything, but lacked............anything, it was just a bunch of fast arps, which is what his piano playing seems to have devolved into as of late.
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Well, I actually rather liked the piano solo, but mostly because it was a standout segment in a track that is pretty standard DT.
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Well, I actually rather liked the piano solo, but mostly because it was a standout segment in a track that is pretty standard DT.
Eh, it was so "JR by numbers" though.
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I definitely won't argue with that. In the grand scope of the song, though, it stood out to me.
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
agreed
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
And there I thought, after 17 years people would be able to move on. Apparently not though. Stupid me. :facepalm:
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Well, I actually rather liked the piano solo, but mostly because it was a standout segment in a track that is pretty standard DT.
Eh, it was so "JR by numbers" though.
What an "Adami by the numbers" post :P
The Eddie Trunk comments don't really bother me at all. I've always gotten the impression that his support of Dream Theater was pretty much a diplomatic thing. He's Mike's personal friend, for one, and Mike's also a pretty high-profile guy to have as a regular guest and having him on to talk about DT was good for Eddie's ratings. But if you listen to the stuff he plays on his show, you've really gotta wonder if he is really a big Dream Theater fan at all.
I remember something Portnoy said during the Budokan documentary... like that it bothered him when a band got known for a certain style and then did something completely different later in their career. That goes completly against artistic creation IMO. So bands like Opeth, Ulver, Radiohead are in the wrong? Anyway, I don't think it's just Portnoy, it's the vision of the entire band. "Let's do like classic DT!", "The fans won't like that so we shouldn't do that.." etc. I just don't get it... They have the potential to do much more than that...
You know, if there's one thing MP can definitely be faulted for, I'd say it's that he never really had as good of an idea about what the DT fans wanted as he thought he did.
Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
And there I thought, after 17 years people would be able to move on. Apparently not though. Stupid me. :facepalm:
Yeah, I don't *always* like what JR plays, just like I don't *always* like what LaBrie sings, or what John plays, or what Mike or the other John play. But people really put JR under a microscope and it's so unnecessary. I'm surprised there aren't people sorting through JR's garbage to determine whether it's as "tasteful" as it could be...
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
And there I thought, after 17 years people would be able to move on. Apparently not though. Stupid me. :facepalm:
Sorry, I didn't realize that if I am not impressed with the current direction of a band, I am without the ability to "move on." (Whatever that means)
I guess I should just love every little note Jordan plays. Don't wanna be behind the times!
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I can see why people don't dig JR's piano bit. Yeah, it is JR by numbers, but it is damn good piano and MILES above his synth lead patch that sounds bad most of the time. Plus, it becomes way better when MM and JMX come in under the piano, and the into that rocking guitar solo.
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Kevin Moore was a fantastic lyricist and keyboardist. I can only listen to Jordan for so long until I wonder when he'll get around to playing some actual music.
And there I thought, after 17 years people would be able to move on. Apparently not though. Stupid me. :facepalm:
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Jordan is guilty of some random noises occasionally. I'm in the minority that like his solo in The Shattered Fortress, but there are a few spots where he starts making random noises that kinda ruins it a bit. What I don't understand though, is after years of complaining that Jordan should use more piano, he finally uses it again, and people still complain that it's "Jordan by numbers".
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Jordan is guilty of some random noises occasionally. I'm in the minority that like his solo in The Shattered Fortress, but there are a few spots where he starts making random noises that kinda ruins it a bit. What I don't understand though, is after years of complaining that Jordan should use more piano, he finally uses it again, and people still complain that it's "Jordan by numbers".
Maybe DT should just get rid of Jordan altogether and be a 4 piece band, or get a second guitarist instead. [/sarcasm]
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Jordan is guilty of some random noises occasionally. I'm in the minority that like his solo in The Shattered Fortress, but there are a few spots where he starts making random noises that kinda ruins it a bit. What I don't understand though, is after years of complaining that Jordan should use more piano, he finally uses it again, and people still complain that it's "Jordan by numbers".
Maybe DT should just get rid of Jordan altogether and be a 4 piece band, or get a second guitarist instead. [/sarcasm]
Huckle chuckle
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Nah, it's more that I'd just rather hear Jordan play something I enjoy hearing.
But if you want to twist my words around, then that's fine.
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Nah, it's more that I'd just rather hear Jordan play something I enjoy hearing.
But if you want to twist my words around, then that's fine.
Well, that's vague. "I want music that I enjoy," duuh. Like... What 'era' Jordan DID you like?
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I like some of his rhythm work, and the occasional piano melody, but overall, he just doesn't do it for me. I find most of his solos pretty tiresome and repetitive, and he doesn't hold my attention nearly as much as Kevin did.
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I like some of his rhythm work, and the occasional piano melody, but overall, he just doesn't do it for me. I find most of his solos pretty tiresome and repetitive, and he doesn't hold my attention nearly as much as Kevin did.
They did lose SOMETHING with Kevin. But honestly, I think Jordan, while different, brought just as much to DT. Some of his stuff is hit and miss. Like, I loved his shredding on In The Presence of Enemies, and his piano work on Forsaken was freakin beautiful. Most of his stuff in Black Clouds was a little underwhelming.
But you know, it was the same with Kevin. I loved his piano stuff, and some of his synth stuff. But I wasn't crazy about his stuff in most of Awake. Songs like Innocence Faded and Scarred, I wasn't crazy about the keyboard parts at all.
Frankly, in terms of consistency, I think Derek was the best. His stuff wasn't AMAZING, but it was still good and enjoyable, and never intrusive at all. And his Organ work reminded me of Deep Purple.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
You win the thread. :tup
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Guess it's that time of the year to get excited about Dream Theater again. This new track is growing on me. James' vocals sound a bit bland at the beginning but man do they get good once they bring in that awesome chorus.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
This is a great observation. Not that I have no criticisms of the song, but DT really did--at least in a broad, general sense--everything we have been wishing they would for some time now.
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Oh and how this thread once again came back to KM, ?? I for one am the biggest KM fan but OMG can we all just give it a rest and move on and just appreciate his contributions and leave it at that. There still is OSI.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
And not to mention... this is the "single". I mean A Rite of Passage and Constant Motion don't even begin to touch this song. I hope the rest of the album is as good or better, and I have a feeling it is from what I've heard from JR. I have been one of the most critical people when in comes to DT's latest output, but this song is just right on the money for me.
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I remember something Portnoy said during the Budokan documentary... like that it bothered him when a band got known for a certain style and then did something completely different later in their career. That goes completly against artistic creation IMO. So bands like Opeth, Ulver, Radiohead are in the wrong? Anyway, I don't think it's just Portnoy, it's the vision of the entire band. "Let's do like classic DT!", "The fans won't like that so we shouldn't do that.." etc. I just don't get it... They have the potential to do much more than that...
Agreed. Two other examples are Portnoy once saying that DT could never do a song like (LTE's) Liquid Dreams, and Petrucci saying that he didn't think the fans would accept growling on A Nightmare to Remember (which was scrapped anyway, thank goodness). It is a bummer, as a band that calls itself progressive should be able to go wherever they want, but, hey, it is their band, so they can do what they want. ;)
Jordans keys on OTBOA are great all the way through, yes there are plenty of notes - which you will always get with him - but imho they are not over the top as maybe they have been in places before. Love KM's contribution to DT too but he left 17 years ago now.
Agreed about Kevin Moore. He was my favorite DT keyboardist, but, like you said, he has been gone for 17 years. If you are still listening to DT, you know what is coming more often than not from Rudess, so you either have to accept it or move on. Certain aspects of his playing definitely aren't to my liking, but he still does a lot of great stuff, and the band itself is still more than good enough.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
And not to mention... this is the "single". I mean A Rite of Passage and Constant Motion don't even begin to touch this song. I hope the rest of the album is as good or better, and I have a feeling it is from what I've heard from JR. I have been one of the most critical people when in comes to DT's latest output, but this song is just right on the money for me.
I would say that Constant Motion and A Rite Of Passage were a kind of different songs than On The Backs Of Angels, they were easier, more catchy. On The Backs Of Angels isn't, and I think that all album won't be catchy, will be proggy as hell.
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I would say that Constant Motion and A Rite Of Passage were a kind of different songs than On The Backs Of Angels, they were easier, more catchy. On The Backs Of Angels isn't, and I think that all album won't be catchy, will be proggy as hell.
Which would be a very, very good thing.
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According to JR, if one likes the piano, they'll like this album. I take that as a very good sign.
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I would say that Constant Motion and A Rite Of Passage were a kind of different songs than On The Backs Of Angels, they were easier, more catchy. On The Backs Of Angels isn't, and I think that all album won't be catchy, will be proggy as hell.
Which would be a very, very good thing.
This :tup
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According to JR, if one likes the piano, they'll like this album. I take that as a very good sign.
That sounds awesome. :)
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
Amen. And at what point does "jordan by numbers" become something original and great. His synth parts don't always gel with me but his piano parts usually do. His style is just the nature of his playing so even if his piano compositions get a bit flashy the fact that they're on the piano instead of a keyboard makes it more enjoyable to me.
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I love JR parts in On The Backs Of Angels, I can understand why many people dislikes it... but his play is flawless right here :tup
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His choir patch on the intro and chorus is so well done IMO. Really gives the song an atmosphere.
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His choir patch on the intro and chorus is so well done IMO. Really gives the song an atmosphere.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not usually a fan of 'fake' choir, played with keyboards... But I guess if anyone can make it sound even remotely organic and truly epic, it's JR. I loved it.
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It sounds good, and yeah, I feel like JR is finally being used to all his strengths and creativity.
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I don't mind the piano solo that much, to be honest. Sure, there are some hints of JR's tendency to overdo piano parts, but it could have been worse. Generally, he creates a very fine atmosphere for the song, and I take it as a good thing.
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i think every member is great on the track, including jordan.
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Wow! RR changed the the clip to the cd mix. All of a sudden it sounds great. :biggrin:
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Wow! RR changed the the clip to the cd mix. All of a sudden it sounds great. :biggrin:
Wait, what do you mean?
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Wow! RR changed the the clip to the cd mix. All of a sudden it sounds great. :biggrin:
Wait, what do you mean?
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Wow! RR changed the the clip to the cd mix. All of a sudden it sounds great. :biggrin:
ah, yea. Sounds much better! :metal
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Since when? I re-ripped it... Yesterday I believe, and it sounds the same. They didn't change it since yesterday for sure. Same link?
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I hope I'm not experiencing the "placebo" effect. I'm listening to it on headphones, and I feel like I hear the drums much clearer now; but...
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I will check in a minute ;D
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I hope I'm not experiencing the "placebo" effect. I'm listening to it on headphones, and I feel like I hear the drums much clearer now; but...
It might be. Like I said, I'm comparing the MP3s right now, and they're identical, one I ripped from Youtube half an hour after the song came out, and another one I ripped from Youtube ten minutes ago. I listened to them side by side... I even compared the wave forms. It's the same. But I've experienced the Placebo effect as well, except now the 'old' same version sounds better too, hahah.
I guess it's just growing on people that significantly.
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"Tears faaallll from the shameless..." :tup :hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
edit: I just noticed - the beginning of JP's solo is so Helloween-ish :metal :metal :metal :metal
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OH DEAR GOD
(https://s3.postimage.org/2gplhkj9g/Fap_Guy_Meme.jpg)
I dunno what everyone else thinks. I have yet to read the thread....but this is a welcome change of form.
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I hope I'm not experiencing the "placebo" effect. I'm listening to it on headphones, and I feel like I hear the drums much clearer now; but...
It might be. Like I said, I'm comparing the MP3s right now, and they're identical, one I ripped from Youtube half an hour after the song came out, and another one I ripped from Youtube ten minutes ago. I listened to them side by side... I even compared the wave forms. It's the same. But I've experienced the Placebo effect as well, except now the 'old' same version sounds better too, hahah.
I guess it's just growing on people that significantly.
I think they've uploaded a HD version. I can definitely hear a difference from the mp3 i ripped off youtube two days ago, and the HD-version im listening to now.
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Yeah I hear some difference too. Great! :metal
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I think they've uploaded a HD version. I can definitely hear a difference from the mp3 i ripped off youtube two days ago, and the HD-version im listening to now.
But the HD version was available right away, all you had to do was click the tab and switch it to 720p. What bit rate did you rip it at?
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I started off listening to OTBOA and was really dissapointed in the song and didnt like it at all. Wasn't memorable, didnt stand out, the riffs etc seemed a little like their newer stuff and didnt seem worked through enough.
After the first day or so, i had the same feeling and rated this song about a 6 or 7 and though it seemed like a good opener to what would be a decent album on par with BC&SL.
Wow, what a difference 30 odd listens to makes on great speakers and and a few extra days to let it age. This is a brilliant song... the vibe, the subtle drum parts, the seamless writing which seems to flow and fit perfectly, the fact that after each riff i was waiting for them to throw in something that doesnt fit only to play something even better. It gave me feeling of Awake meets Ovtavarium, Pull me under meets 6DOIT.
I agree with another poster that this song certainly seems like what they should have released from SFAM/6Degrees or even Falling Into Infinity. Not that Id ever give back TOT->BC&SL anyday!
I dont see this as a stand a alone song, but a great song that definitly sets the mood for an album that i think will be regarded as the next I&W and SFAM.
Great work from the guys and am glad the 'balls to the wall mentalitly' has gone which i think wrecked parts of a number of newer fantastic songs.
Tonight i sit here and think, how come i like this song so much? Its because i can no longer say 'its not as good as I&W ->A Change of seasons, it has too many riffs that dont gel, there is rapping, there are growls, there is a solo section that is too long and has too many notes' and the list goes on...
If the rest of the album is as good as this, then i'd like to welcome my favourite band back to the top of the pile! Not that they honestly left :)
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I think they've uploaded a HD version. I can definitely hear a difference from the mp3 i ripped off youtube two days ago, and the HD-version im listening to now.
But the HD version was available right away, all you had to do was click the tab and switch it to 720p. What bit rate did you rip it at?
420p. As someone else mentioned a gazillion pages back, it seemed like the 420p and 720p didn't make any difference to the sound the first day, since it Roadrunner uploaded a low-quality version of the song itself. That may have been fixed before, but the HD-version i listened to a while ago was miles better than the 720p version i have on my computer.
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Yeah HD was available this whole time.
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
THAT'S WHY WE HATE IT.
I don't hate it.
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Yeah, giving us just about everything we wished for. Who the fuck do they think they are? >:(
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There are like 3 people in this 43 page thread that didn't love it, who on earth are you guys yelling at?
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There are like 3 people in this 43 page thread that didn't love it, who on earth are you guys yelling at?
I was just making a joke about this community. I'm not yelling at anyone, I don't care if some people don't like it. That doesn't faze me one bit.
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Yeah, I figured what you said was a joke. Looking back, I guess less people than I remembered were commenting on jmbeat's post.
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According to JR, if one likes the piano, they'll like this album. I take that as a very good sign.
this sounds good, very good.
as long as it isn't filled with morphwiz/samplewiz i'll be happy. i don't actually have a problem with either of these apps - in fact, i think they're incredible applications when used in the right context but i just really don't think they'd gel that well on a DT album. we'll have to wait and see.
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"Tears faaallll from the shameless..." :tup :hefdaddy :tup :hefdaddy
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
edit: I just noticed - the beginning of JP's solo is so Helloween-ish :metal :metal :metal :metal
THIS THIS THIS
WOODROW WOODROW WOODROW WILSON
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Confused by alot of what has been said in in this thread (and I know not everyone will be happy with everything) but this one song has everything that all of us have been wanting i.e. more acoustic guitar, more piano, less wankery, better lyrics, BASS, and better song structure and arranging. They have succeeded on all parts. THIS is DT and we should all be happy. I know I am.
My opinion is that this song is boring as hell. Ok, it has piano and acoustic guitar, but if the song is not interesting, it is worthless. I wanted to hear the bass, but because I wanted to hear something interesting. But there's nothing, not a single cool bass part. Put it on the front of the mix as much as you can but again, it's boring.
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I like how some people have been complaining about Jordan's piano solo part, and seems to forget that he carries the music through the whole song when it comes to subtle prog parts, atmosphere and feeling, both in heavy and less heavy sections, in a way that Kevin Moore would probably never be able to achieve. Yes, Jordan tends to go over the top with grand piano soloing, but jeez, it's only a fairly small part of the song. You can't judge him on that alone.
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Agreed. And JR has been doing some great atmospheric stuff for a long time, but he never gets praised for that. Actually, his soft stuff in SC and BC&SL is excellent.
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I have always criticised JR's contributions to the DT sound, and many times i think he overplays.
His performance in OTBOA is flawless i believe, and i really like his piano solo, the way it builds up to the guitar solo is amazing.
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I wasn't aware MP wrote a tweet response to the single?
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I wasn't aware MP wrote a tweet response to the single?
If he did I never seen it. Have you Guys got it somewhere?
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I wasn't aware MP wrote a tweet response to the single?
He didn't. He retweeted Eddie Trunk's "good but not great" comment.
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Being Eddie Trunk a *the more MP moments = the better the song is* DT fan.
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Eddie Trunk has just about the worst music taste I've ever seen in a human.
But I agree with him.
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Eddie Trunk has just about the worst music taste I've ever seen in a human.
But I agree with him.
I don't. His whole thing was basically that it just sounded like DT. To me the sound was fundamentally different in a few important ways. While the song itself didn't blow my mind, the character of it clearly reflects the changes in the band.
I'm stealing this from RobWebster, but basically what it comes down to is that JLB, JP, and JR all sound more like they do on their solo albums. While I think this makes the sound a little less focused, I also think it means each musician is expressing himself more genuinely and thus creating a better product. The best example is with JLB's vocals. I'm not super into the melodies JP wrote, but the delivery is perfect. The intonation and timbre of every word is so well done, which is something I haven't felt about a DT JLB performance in some time. Also, there's a real sense of writing for the song that's been rare in modern DT.
Is it as good as Wither? No. But is it better than AROP? Oh god yes. Better than Constant Motion? Not even worth debating.
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I loved On the backs of angels, im pumped for this album!
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Eddie Trunk has just about the worst music taste I've ever seen in a human.
But I agree with him.
I don't. His whole thing was basically that it just sounded like DT. To me the sound was fundamentally different in a few important ways. While the song itself didn't blow my mind, the character of it clearly reflects the changes in the band.
I'm stealing this from RobWebster, but basically what it comes down to is that JLB, JP, and JR all sound more like they do on their solo albums. While I think this makes the sound a little less focused, I also think it means each musician is expressing himself more genuinely and thus creating a better product. The best example is with JLB's vocals. I'm not super into the melodies JP wrote, but the delivery is perfect. The intonation and timbre of every word is so well done, which is something I haven't felt about a DT JLB performance in some time. Also, there's a real sense of writing for the song that's been rare in modern DT.
Is it as good as Wither? No. But is it better than AROP? Oh god yes. Better than Constant Motion? Not even worth debating.
I was more just going with Orcus's thing that it's good not great.
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I don't know. Wither is aging incredibly terribly for me.
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Wither is different, Wither is a typical song, with no instrumental crazy and that stuff. OTBOA we have some melody, we have some power, he have some instrumental crazyness, it's very well mixed. I think that we shouldn't compare this two.
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I like how some people have been complaining about Jordan's piano solo part, and seems to forget that he carries the music through the whole song when it comes to subtle prog parts, atmosphere and feeling, both in heavy and less heavy sections, in a way that Kevin Moore would probably never be able to achieve. Yes, Jordan tends to go over the top with grand piano soloing, but jeez, it's only a fairly small part of the song. You can't judge him on that alone.
I think people have the right to judge his playing however they like. The piano solo is cringe worthy to me and though I like the song a lot overall I hate that there is part in it that makes me cringe and for that I solely blame JR.
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It might be nothing special but cringeworthy? That adjective should only be used to describe his in song tech demo type solos.
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I don't know. Wither is aging incredibly terribly for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc)
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Another complaint I hear people say about On The Backs of Angels is that the vocals aren't very dynamic. But don't worry guys, once James LaBrie grows his hair out to its previous length again, he'll have his full vocal range back.
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Another complaint I hear people say about On The Backs of Angels is that the vocals aren't very dynamic. But don't worry guys, once James LaBrie grows his hair out to its previous length again, he'll have his full vocal range back.
Hey there are 8 songs left on the album that we haven't heard, I bet that we will gonna find somewhere there very dynamic vocals ;)
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It might be nothing special but cringeworthy? That adjective should only be used to describe his in song tech demo type solos.
Maybe cringe is a bit dramatic, but I will confess that I have never really taken to Jordan's lead playing so much and the piano solo just seems out of place with the amount of notes he plays. I tend to like my keys to be a bit more relaxing ala Pink Floyd or Porcupine Tree.
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Eddie Trunk has just about the worst music taste I've ever seen in a human.
But I agree with him.
I don't. His whole thing was basically that it just sounded like DT. To me the sound was fundamentally different in a few important ways. While the song itself didn't blow my mind, the character of it clearly reflects the changes in the band.
I'm stealing this from RobWebster, but basically what it comes down to is that JLB, JP, and JR all sound more like they do on their solo albums. While I think this makes the sound a little less focused, I also think it means each musician is expressing himself more genuinely and thus creating a better product. The best example is with JLB's vocals. I'm not super into the melodies JP wrote, but the delivery is perfect. The intonation and timbre of every word is so well done, which is something I haven't felt about a DT JLB performance in some time. Also, there's a real sense of writing for the song that's been rare in modern DT.
Is it as good as Wither? No. But is it better than AROP? Oh god yes. Better than Constant Motion? Not even worth debating.
To be honest, Wither doesn't do absolutely anything for me. It's a nice breather if you're listening to BC&SL from the start, but aside from that its just a song made for commercial use. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy it, but I certainly don't think DT put their heart and soul into it. That's just my opinion though :laugh:.
Aside from that, I agree with you with everything. I'm not exited about ITBOA because its epic and awesome, I'm exited about it because its truer to DT than the other recent singles they have released. I'm never fond of DT's singles.
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It might be nothing special but cringeworthy? That adjective should only be used to describe his in song tech demo type solos.
Maybe cringe is a bit dramatic, but I will confess that I have never really taken to Jordan's lead playing so much and the piano solo just seems out of place with the amount of notes he plays. I tend to like my keys to be a bit more relaxing ala Pink Floyd or Porcupine Tree.
Agreed, though I'm at the point with Jordan where I know his style isn't going to change so I might as well start finding the positive parts of his playing.
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Another complaint I hear people say about On The Backs of Angels is that the vocals aren't very dynamic. But don't worry guys, once James LaBrie grows his hair out to its previous length again, he'll have his full vocal range back.
Hey there are 8 songs left on the album that we haven't heard, I bet that we will gonna find somewhere there very dynamic vocals ;)
It was more a joke at the fact that he cut his hair. Like when JP cut his hair back in the early 2000s, and he said, "I cut my hair, now I can only write three minute pop songs. I can't play long epics anymore." Paraphrasing. But it's a joke.
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It might be nothing special but cringeworthy? That adjective should only be used to describe his in song tech demo type solos.
Maybe cringe is a bit dramatic, but I will confess that I have never really taken to Jordan's lead playing so much and the piano solo just seems out of place with the amount of notes he plays. I tend to like my keys to be a bit more relaxing ala Pink Floyd or Porcupine Tree.
If you want relaxing music, why would you listen to DT? ???
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If you want relaxing music, why would you listen to DT? ???
To Live Forever, Surrounded, Anna Lee, Through Her Eyes, The Answer Lies Within, to name a few. Nothing wrong with relaxing to some melancholy ballads from DT.
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If you want relaxing music, why would you listen to DT? ???
To Live Forever, Surrounded, Anna Lee, Through Her Eyes, The Answer Lies Within, to name a few. Nothing wrong with relaxing to some melancholy ballads from DT.
Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
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Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
Well, I'd say their main thing is to be diverse and dynamic. I mean, half the reason I like them so much is that regardless of what I'm in the mood for, DT has something for me.
So even if I'm feeling like listening to something softer and more atmospheric, I can still resort to DT to enjoy something of the sort.
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Wow, this song sure is a grower, i didn't like it at first, but now it's amazing. The whole band sounds really tight right now. Noone is just playing for themselves, they are all playing for the music. Only complaint is that James isn't really doing anything that good really, he is just there. I really love the new direction they appear to be taking.
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If you want relaxing music, why would you listen to DT? ???
To Live Forever
I must be odd, because I get fuckin pumped when I hear To Live Forever :metal :metal :metal
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I must be odd, because I get fuckin pumped when I hear To Live Forever :metal :metal :metal
Well, yeah, I guess it does build toward the end, same with Surrounded. But still, the point is that DT has a lot of variety, and a lot of its songs are soft and melancholy. And quite relaxing.
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Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
Well, I'd say their main thing is to be diverse and dynamic. I mean, half the reason I like them so much is that regardless of what I'm in the mood for, DT has something for me.
So even if I'm feeling like listening to something softer and more atmospheric, I can still resort to DT to enjoy something of the sort.
Indeed, I never said that DT never wrote soft songs. I was pointing that MOST of their music is not remotely relaxing, and so that seems like a bizarre complaint to make.
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Indeed, I never said that DT never wrote soft songs. I was pointing that MOST of their music is not remotely relaxing, and so that seems like a bizarre complaint to make.
Well, that is true. Especially since if you DO want relaxing, The Answer Lies Within is right there, and I'm sure Dramatic Turn of Events will have at least one soft song on it.
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Relaxing is maybe the wrong word. What I meant was less notes, less operatic, less lead wankery...just like KM did it years ago! :lol
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Rudess said there would definitely be some songs that were more mellow on the new album.
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Relaxing is maybe the wrong word. What I meant was less notes, less operatic, less lead wankery...just like KM did it years ago! :lol
Yeah, but I don't know if you can break something like that down in technical terms though. Kevin Moore had a very, very distinctive style. And JR has a very distinctive style, that's his own but very different.
I'm sure that if Moore stayed in the band, people would be saying, "That's so Kevin Moore by numbers! I wish the piano was more intense, more operatic."
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I haven't been this happy with new music from DT since Train of Thought came out. That was the first DT album release since me being a fan. When 8VM came out I was underwhelmed but that was purely because it was more of a grower. SC was pretty neat in the beginning, but the enjoyment rapidly lowered. BC&SL is IMO a really good record, but it was maybe a bit too comfortable sounding.
This song keeps giving stuff to me after 10 listens, it's great. The fast little breaks are classic, and sometimes I still get caught off guard by the tricks they're pulling. The 'real' chorus in the second half of the song is pretty good. Even better is the piano solo and the guitar solo. that was really the moment in the song where I felt they reward the listener, and justify the epic opening of the song.
The ending is just.. wow. The intro, JR's big choir theme when the song gets heavy. The heavy riff that follows it.. They're still playing complicated stuff, but it's very tastefully done in this track, even the heaviness is tasteful.
I can only imagine this song will be appreciated a lot by (old school) DT fans. What's not to love?
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^ That was a very tasteful post, and was quite nice to read. Well done.
Also, I agree with your points.
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Aramatheis :tup.
Also, the annoyance of being addicted to a song that you can only listen to in Youtube quality. Can't wait for the real deal, but I also can't imagine DT agreeing on such low quality standards. Why would they want to present their art in such way?
Now playing the OIALT version of 'Lines in the Sand' for the first time. Didn't know it was that good. Definately adds a lot of cool things to the original and the solo exceeded all expectations.
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Because of 631,391 views
and 13408 likes. It also has a 720p option so the quality isn't that bad, tbh, pretty well represented if you ask me.
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Because of 631,391 views
and 13408 likes. It also has a 720p option so the quality isn't that bad, tbh, pretty well represented if you ask me.
I must admit I'm a bit of an audiophile but the lack of clarity is obvious. Well, it leaves people wanting more, that's one thing.
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Still, it's pretty much as good as ripping a CD at 192kbps. I get that you're an audiophile, but still, "Why would they want to present their art in such way?" I really don't think they see a problem with it. I certainly don't. Would you expect them to release a flac file?
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Well, some bands do that (The Gathering), but this is to promote the band and the album and for that purpose this quality is good enough, imo.
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Besides, if you're so unsatisfied with the quality, then it'll be that much more incentive to buy the album. Even though I'm sure most DT fans already would, regardless. Point is, you'll have it.
And yeah, I think the ripped version sounds pretty great on my MP3 player, and in my car.
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Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
Well, I'd say their main thing is to be diverse and dynamic. I mean, half the reason I like them so much is that regardless of what I'm in the mood for, DT has something for me.
So even if I'm feeling like listening to something softer and more atmospheric, I can still resort to DT to enjoy something of the sort.
Indeed, I never said that DT never wrote soft songs. I was pointing that MOST of their music is not remotely relaxing, and so that seems like a bizarre complaint to make.
Relaxing is relative. I've definitely walked in on my old roommate passed out with the lights on blasting Opeth.
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Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
Well, I'd say their main thing is to be diverse and dynamic. I mean, half the reason I like them so much is that regardless of what I'm in the mood for, DT has something for me.
So even if I'm feeling like listening to something softer and more atmospheric, I can still resort to DT to enjoy something of the sort.
Indeed, I never said that DT never wrote soft songs. I was pointing that MOST of their music is not remotely relaxing, and so that seems like a bizarre complaint to make.
Relaxing is relative. I've definitely walked in on my old roommate passed out with the lights on blasting Opeth.
Ironically, what if he was blasting a song like To Bid You Farewell :o
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My brother listens to Opeth most nights to help him relax and get to sleep, so I know what you mean orc. :lol
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Only Dream Theater fans could carry on a 1,500+ post conversation about one song.
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Only Dream Theater fans could carry on a 1,500+ post conversation about one song.
That's why we're awesome.
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Why is their not a Back of Angels video...?
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Here ya go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PAdcBUpl7o
Or did you mean an official music video like CM or Forsaken?
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Why is their not a Back of Angels video...?
When did you expect them to shoot it? They released it on youtube within a day or two of the album's mixing and mastering being completed. They have been rehearsing for the tour, and now the tour has started.
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I hope they will bring out a full-length video of one of the songs on the album for once
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I hope they will bring out a full-length video of one of the songs on the album for once
that would be cool. considering they go on youtube anyway (or maybe an on-demand video service) so no need for 'mtv-length'
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Yeah, but DT are definitely more about the exciting aspect of music. They throw in some atmospheric stuff for sure, but it's not their main thing.
Well, I'd say their main thing is to be diverse and dynamic. I mean, half the reason I like them so much is that regardless of what I'm in the mood for, DT has something for me.
So even if I'm feeling like listening to something softer and more atmospheric, I can still resort to DT to enjoy something of the sort.
Indeed, I never said that DT never wrote soft songs. I was pointing that MOST of their music is not remotely relaxing, and so that seems like a bizarre complaint to make.
Yeah. I would say that if you want the keys to sound like Pink Floyd or Porcupine Tree, then you should listen to those bands. Jordan Rudess is in Dream Theater.
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I'd be cool if they didn't shoot a video for this album.
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I'd be cool if they didn't shoot a video for this album.
This. I don't want a different image of this song in my head. I already have the image.
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I can them playing in a plane dressed as clowns. That'd made a cool video.
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I can them playing in a plane dressed as clowns. That'd made a cool video.
Actually, that's not a bad idea.
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Actually, it is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww_txPLKBjY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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I'd be cool if they didn't shoot a video for this album.
This. I don't want a different image of this song in my head. I already have the image.
That's why this video should be classic Heavy Metal. Meaning, for the most part, it should just be on-stage footage of them, or footage of them performing in like a dark studio. Without any necessarily associated images.
The bigger problem I'd have with the video is that it's an 8 minute song, and no doubt they'd have to shorten it to like 4 and a half minutes tops, which would just ruin the song, with abbreviated intro and outro and other cut backs, maybe even a shortened solo. And judging from Constant Motion music video, the editing would be so sloppy that it would feel like the music is just cutting to different parts.
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All in all a good song. Not great, but certainly not bad either. I don't think it's the best album opener (although I haven't heard the rest of the album, heh), but it has a nice feeling to it. I wish LaBrie would take more chances though. I'm sure he's got more than this in him. Great playing by Mangini, thumbs up! He fits like the famous glove. Petrucci solid as always, nice to hear Myung again, and creds to Rudess as well.
Way to go, DT! Looking forward to the new album!
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I don't think it's the best album opener (although I haven't heard the rest of the album, heh), but it has a nice feeling to it.
Don't forget, Pull Me Under was an album opener too, to arguably DT's best album. And this is better than PMU, imo.
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I don't think it's the best album opener (although I haven't heard the rest of the album, heh), but it has a nice feeling to it.
Don't forget, Pull Me Under was an album opener too, to arguably DT's best album. And this is better than PMU, imo.
True, but I think that PMU is more energetic, and PMU's chorus is more "catchy". At least that's how I feel. :)
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I don't think it's the best album opener (although I haven't heard the rest of the album, heh), but it has a nice feeling to it.
Don't forget, Pull Me Under was an album opener too, to arguably DT's best album. And this is better than PMU, imo.
I don't think it's better than Pull Me Under by any stretch, but it's a cool song.
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True, but I think that PMU is more energetic, and PMU's chorus is more "catchy". At least that's how I feel. :)
Well, I really doubt they're aiming to become a mainstream hit again. Still, Pull Me Under was kinda moody, and I think the two are very similar in tone.
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I think it comes extremely close to Pull Me Under, but I think they overdid it with the orchestral sounds and things like that in OTBOA.
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I meant in my earlier post...Why isn't their a live youtube vid of this song yet?
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There is.
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If you want relaxing music, why would you listen to DT? ???
To Live Forever
I must be odd, because I get fuckin pumped when I hear To Live Forever :metal :metal :metal
If I'm listening to any version other than the WDADRU version, it completely throws off my groove when James doesn't say "Ladies and Gentelmen, Mr. Charlie Dominicci."
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I meant in my earlier post...Why isn't their a live youtube vid of this song yet?
A link has already been posted.
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OTBOA is a great live song!!! IMO, you can hear that from yt videos :metal
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After looking at Mike's Facebook page again, I've noticed that Mike has actually liked some of the comments they're leaving on his page.
"What's a drumkit without cymbals? What is music without melody? What is Dream thater without Mike Portnoy? NO SEAS PENDEJO REGRESA!!!
Mike Portnoy likes this."
I know I'm just fanning the flames, but I still find it interesting.
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At least he reads his fan page. But man, people worship him on that page.
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I don't want to feed the flames either, but this one pissed me off
Dear Mike,
After watching the DT show last night in Rome...I got pissed about Mangini's awful touch & sound on the old DT songs...please come out with the Mob album...we need your power!!!
Mike Portnoy likes this
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So, he is freely liking posts bashing the new DT. Amazing, he owns a really wonderful forum. :corn :corn :corn
I was thinking about posting that here, and to express my opinion, but I didn't want to be banned so I better won't say a word about all this madness.
:censored :censored :censored
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What, the fact that he likes when people compliment him? It's well known that he likes attention, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that!
What is wrong with you people? Just chill out and move on.
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What, the fact that he likes when people compliment him? It's well known that he likes attention, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that!
What is wrong with you people? Just chill out and move on.
Incredible :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I'm sorry, it's just frustrating, and I know for a fact that he was probably liking the Adrenaline Mob part. It's just frustrating when he does things like that.
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What, the fact that he likes when people compliment him? It's well known that he likes attention, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that!
What is wrong with you people? Just chill out and move on.
Incredible :facepalm: :facepalm:
Oh sorry, I forgot you were psychic and knew what everyone was thinking at all times.
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What, the fact that he likes when people compliment him? It's well known that he likes attention, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that!
What is wrong with you people? Just chill out and move on.
Incredible :facepalm: :facepalm:
Oh sorry, I forgot you were psychic and knew what everyone was thinking at all times.
Banned :omg:
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I don't want to feed the flames either, but this one pissed me off
Dear Mike,
After watching the DT show last night in Rome...I got pissed about Mangini's awful touch & sound on the old DT songs...please come out with the Mob album...we need your power!!!
Mike Portnoy likes this
not seeing the compliment in this one..
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That one is kinda tough. Is he liking it because that person wants the AM album? Or because he agrees that DT is not as good without him? That ambiguity makes it hard to tell, but because he liked the whole status, it's like he is saying he agrees with the whole thing.
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it would be fine if it was like 'mangini's take on the songs' not his awful touch
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What I'm more amazed at is that MM is still friends with MP.
B.Lee
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I must be odd, because I get fuckin pumped when I hear To Live Forever
If I'm listening to any version other than the WDADRU version, it completely throws off my groove when James doesn't say "Ladies and Gentelmen, Mr. Charlie Dominicci."
Same here. I only really listen to WDADRU, so all those little extra bits seem normal now
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getting back on topic, i don't know if already asked or somebody have said it, i left the thread like at page 30 it's hard to read all posts hahaha.
well my question: does somebody have an idea of how much money does roadrunner have made in advertising on those almost 690K views in youtube?
i'm wondering if it's more profitable now in this days to release a single in youtube with ads going around or sale it on itunes for about a buck. how many downloads would have the single get on itunes/amazon/etc?
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holy crap, what the hell's wrong with portnoy.
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holy crap, what the hell's wrong with portnoy.
Jealousy, most likely. And he probably feels betrayed or something. For me it feels like he's responding to the new DT song the classic "meh... it's alright, I guess"-way (even though he probably thinks the song is quite good and is a bit bitter over the fact that they actually managed to do without him), while he goes and likes comments about the song and the sound of the current line-up that are negative (a.k.a. talks shit about it behind their backs). Mike has never been the one to handle these kinds of things well, and his overdone silence about the whole "new DT" thing smells strongly of that he's really holding a lot of bad feelings back.
I mean, Mike doesn't really believe that Mangini's "touch and sound" was awful. He's just jealous.
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I thought this was the On The Backs Of Angels thread, not the What I Think About Portnoy thread. Can we talk about the song please? I'm loving the part where Mangini is hitting the hi-hats going along with the keyboard and the bass drums going with the guitar
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I've listened to it multiple times and I love it. And when you see Mangini playing it live you realize how much he is
really doing.
Big ups from me.
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getting back on topic, i don't know if already asked or somebody have said it, i left the thread like at page 30 it's hard to read all posts hahaha.
well my question: does somebody have an idea of how much money does roadrunner have made in advertising on those almost 690K views in youtube?
i'm wondering if it's more profitable now in this days to release a single in youtube with ads going around or sale it on itunes for about a buck. how many downloads would have the single get on itunes/amazon/etc?
I dunno, but they really need to give some of it back. I mean, DT doesn't seem to have any complaints about their new label, but still, Roadrunner, DT is one of the most musically beautiful bands out there. Pay for some airtime on the radio for them! Let people who don't follow the underground circles of Metal hear what they've been missing. Afterall, advertising breeds sales.
The only reason why mainstream albums sell at all is because they're well marketed.
Unless I'm wrong, has On The Backs of Angels been heard on any radio stations? Anywhere?
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has On The Backs of Angels been heard on any radio stations? Anywhere?
I don't imagine that will happen until it gets formally released as a single complete with a radio edit.
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This song becomes better and better after each listen, and this only happened with TCOT in the last 3 albums DT made.
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I don't want to feed the flames either, but this one pissed me off
Dear Mike,
After watching the DT show last night in Rome...I got pissed about Mangini's awful touch & sound on the old DT songs...please come out with the Mob album...we need your power!!!
Mike Portnoy likes this
Sorry Rich, but if true, this is a bit of a dick move from MP. :lol
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I'd say it's more of a stupid move than a dick one. MP wasn't at the gig so has no idea about the "touch and sound", and he has said many times how much he likes and respects MM as a drummer. Maybe it's a matter of interpretation, but I'm pretty certain he was liking the part about wanting the Adrenaline Mob and needing his "power". It wouldn't even make sense otherwise.
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I'd say it's more of a stupid move than a dick one. MP wasn't at the gig so has no idea about the "touch and sound", and he has said many times how much he likes and respects MM as a drummer. Maybe it's a matter of interpretation, but I'm pretty certain he was liking the part about wanting the Adrenaline Mob and needing his "power". It wouldn't even make sense otherwise.
I could be biased here, but I think at this point you're giving Portnoy too much benefit of the doubt. I think he's being really nasty here.
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I'd say it's more of a stupid move than a dick one. MP wasn't at the gig so has no idea about the "touch and sound", and he has said many times how much he likes and respects MM as a drummer. Maybe it's a matter of interpretation, but I'm pretty certain he was liking the part about wanting the Adrenaline Mob and needing his "power". It wouldn't even make sense otherwise.
Dude, seriously. The post said Mangini was awful. Either Mike Portnoy is an idiot, or he was giving approval to a really nasty dig at Mangini. Since I don't believe for a second that he's an idiot, I can only go with the latter.
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Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
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Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
Why wouldn't that make sense? From his classic rock prog interview it was obvious he felt like he was forced out of DT and bitterly hated it. Every time he talks about how the band's dealt with him since he's left he's implied they treated him like shit. When people asked him about the new drummer process on his forum he referred to it as 'hearing about who's fucking his ex-wife.'
Everything he's said about DT since he left has been bitter and spiteful in some way. Why doesn't it make sense that he'd continue to do bitter and spiteful things?
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has On The Backs of Angels been heard on any radio stations? Anywhere?
I don't imagine that will happen until it gets formally released as a single complete with a radio edit.
Okay, well, my question is, when WAS the last time anyone heard DT on the radio? Cause it's sad to say I sure as hell have never heard it play on any of the local radio stations, even the Rock one. It's like, "Metallica, Nirvana, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Nirvana, Metallica, Nirvana, Nirvana, Rob Zombie, Metallica, Metallica, Nirvana. Rush. Metallica..."
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Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
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Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
As ReaP pointed out, how does that not make sense? You'd really think MP would want to be careful about this sort of thing, since he seems to be well aware that any sort of comment he makes on anything remotely DT related is going to be over analyzed.
If he did in fact 'like' what was quoted there, he was either being careless (not clarifying that he was only liking the AM part), or malicious.
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People hit the like button when someone posts something like "My grandmother isn't doing well, hope she gets better soon." All the time, how is what MP posted any different? Does this mean they like that their grandma's sick and not doing well, or for her to get well.
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First MTV/VH1 reality TV show drama, and now Facebook drama? This is all very silly.
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It could go either way, honestly. I'm willing to bet he's more pumped someone can't wait for AM while maybe slightly appreciating them not liking Mangini as much as him. And that's not saying he was going "hell yeah, bro!" to that dig.
Considering past history I could be completely wrong, though.
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Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
As ReaP pointed out, how does that not make sense? You'd really think MP would want to be careful about this sort of thing, since he seems to be well aware that any sort of comment he makes on anything remotely DT related is going to be over analyzed.
If he did in fact 'like' what was quoted there, he was either being careless (not clarifying that he was only liking the AM part), or malicious.
Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.
But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
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It could go either way, honestly. I'm willing to bet he's more pumped someone can't wait for AM while maybe slightly appreciating them not liking Mangini as much as him. And that's not saying he was going "hell yeah, bro!" to that dig.
Considering past history I could be completely wrong, though.
Oh for sure, I'm not saying he wasn't happy about the fact that someone preferred him to MM, that's only natural and I think completely ties in with everything we know about MP. But I can't see it being any more than that, for the reasons I already explained.
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But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
What does Portnoy not being at the show have to do with anything? I honestly would be surprised if someone didn't appreciate when a fan said someone else can't play the material they wrote as well as them. If they came up to you and said "Man you run circles around the other guy. He can't play your stuff" who wouldn't be gassed? That's just human nature.
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(2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
So what? MP is still human. He can still feel resentment for not being a part of it. He's not gonna say, "MM can't play as good as me," but he can still be passive aggressive about it, by liking what OTHER people say.
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OTBOA gets better with every listen to me. I feel like i'm discovering new drum parts or tid bits with each listen, especially for the drums. I think that is whats going to make this become a classic song from now on. The feeling that the song grows exponentially over time and that it always has a fresh feel. I hope the rest of the album is like this. If so, we may have a new album to reach the DT Top 3 (from the majority of the fans like how the majority agrees I&W and SFAM are their best).
On the MP drama, I think most of you shouldn't be surprised anymore with what MP likes or says. I've just come to accept that he is jealous and bitter about the whole ordeal and he will continue to take his shots at DT.
The best thing DT can do on that subject is go out every night, play flawlessly, and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.
From my personal view, MM seems to be doing absolutely fantastic and I enjoy watching all the videos and seeing his touch on the DT songs.
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I agree with all this^
:tup
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On the MP drama, I think most of you shouldn't be surprised anymore with what MP likes or says. I've just come to accept that he is jealous and bitter about the whole ordeal and he will continue to take his shots at DT.
And if that's true, it only supports my theory that in spite of everything that MP has done this year, he's not truly happy with where he is right now.
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It takes awhile to adjust to a "new normal". Everyone goes through it an more often than not you're uncomfortable/unhappy in the beginning.
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(1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, .
Easy enough to watch a bootleg. Hell, I know I'd be itching to watch a bootleg of it if I was in the band for 25 years and it was my baby. It's always interesting to walk away from something you had a big hand in and see what it's currently churning out without your input anymore.
(2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
While that may be true, emotions can get the best of anyone, and can trump such beliefs as his being cool with MM as a person.
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and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.
:icy:
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I definitely think MP's action on this was careless, not spiteful, but again, you really would think that he'd be more careful about this sort of thing.
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But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
What does Portnoy not being at the show have to do with anything? I honestly would be surprised if someone didn't appreciate when a fan said someone else can't play the material they wrote as well as them. If they came up to you and said "Man you run circles around the other guy. He can't play your stuff" who wouldn't be gassed? That's just human nature.
Indeed, completely agreed, I meant more with the specific remarks about the show, which was the basis of the dig at MM by that guy.
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I definitely think MP's action on this was careless, not spiteful, but again, you really would think that he'd be more careful about this sort of thing.
Agreed, I said that earlier in the thread...it would be much better if he just stick to posting updates on his current projects and only those things. He just can't seem to do anything else online in the public eye without it looking questionable.
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Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.
If you don't think MP has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, then, I dunno man...
But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
If one of your friends starts sleeping with your ex that you parted with on bitter terms, there's a near zero percent chance he's your friend anymore.
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Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.
If you don't think MP has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, then, I dunno man...
It's really a big stretch to say he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them. So, yeah, I dunno man...
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It's really a big stretch to say he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them. So, yeah, I dunno man...
But why is that a stretch? The day after he announced he was leaving he linked to an article suggesting that without him DT had lost its soul. Everything he says is about how they wronged him and they're treating him terribly. If all you knew about DT was what MP said about them, you'd think they're the biggest bunch of assholes to ever play rock music.
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I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".
I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.
/soapbox
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I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".
I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.
/soapbox
I'm with you.
No, I mean I'm really with you (look behind you).
:heart
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Wait... this thread still has discussion about MP's tweets.... Guys, get a thread.
This song is really great. Massive grower.
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Wait... this thread still has discussion about MP's tweets.... Guys, get a thread.
This song is really great. Massive grower.
This, I'm working now, and it stucks in my head for 6 hours or something like that... the opening, chorus, weird measured first riff...great, still cannot wait for all album...like all we can't I suppose ;)
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Something I've noticed listening to OTBOA over and over and watching MM play the song on the youtube clips....This is the first drumming I've been drawn in by since I first heard PT with Gavin Harrison. Not talking drum solos, rather drumming within a band. Not being a drummer myself, I'm usually not automatically drawn to the drums even though I appreciate good drumming within a song. But every time I listen to this song it's the drumming that I keep listening to more than any other instrument. Only Gavin Harrison and Neil Peart have really done that to me while listening to PT and Rush. I absolutely can not wait for the whole album for (I can't believe I'm saying this) the drumming.
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I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".
I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.
/soapbox
Meeehh mangini is busy having a blast with the rest if DT! He knows that the only one losing credibility is MP.
Knguro
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Hey, ariich, I want to move to England with you, where no one ever does anything from a negative point-of-view. :biggrin:
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and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.
:icy:
Nice to see you caught that! :biggrin:
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the outro is :metal live, judging by the videos on youtube ive seen
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The song seems to sound incredibly huge live. I can't wait to see it.
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Can we please not use the terminology "massive grower" about songs anymore? It it far too gay a phrase to allow me to read anything else that you've written.
On the song: first listen, it was ok. second, got better; third, got better; fourth, decreased a bit. Will give it a fifth listen later tonight.
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Can we please not use the terminology "massive grower" about songs anymore? It it far too gay a phrase to allow me to read anything else that you've written.
On the song: first listen, it was ok. second, got better; third, got better; fourth, decreased a bit. Will give it a fifth listen later tonight.
I want you to come to my place so I can introduce you to another massive grower.
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I just am really liking the new song all of a sudden. It's really become a massive grower.
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I just am really liking the new song all of a sudden. It's really become a massive grower.
The song has some real lastability. I was showing it to my brother in the car, and he said "I think I like Mangini better than Portnoy." It's truly a massive grower on everyone.
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Can we please not use the terminology "massive grower" about songs anymore? It it far too gay a phrase to allow me to read anything else that you've written.
On the song: first listen, it was ok. second, got better; third, got better; fourth, decreased a bit. Will give it a fifth listen later tonight.
I think straight people would find your usage of "gay" here downright offensive, because you basically said only gay people have massive growers.
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Acceptable uses:
-I am a massive grower of marijuana
-It's not really that small, the water was just cold; I'm a massive grower, I'm telling you!
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You know what guys the entire album will be massive grower! :yarr
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Acceptable uses:
According to..?!?!?
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Maybe the song should just be called On The Massive Growers of Angels.
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I'm just glad that it doesn't have a massive growler.
Oh, wait.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/jpguitar.jpg)
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I'm just glad that it doesn't have a massive growler.
Oh, wait.
:tup His arms are also massive growers.
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I love to see that at each country has always a massive grower crowd!
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Mine's a grower.
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I absolutely LOVE the new song!!! It really has everything I love about DT in it and then some (the then some is some of my favorite lyrics ever). I can't wait for the new album. I would think they'd use the most "accessible" song for the single, so I'm anticipating some true awesomeness for the rest of the album.
On the topic of Portnoy that has made it's way into this thread. . . I'm choosing not to read too far into his "likes." We all have our quirks, but I am sure he is a really great guy and don't want to jump to any conclusions regarding his recent facebook things. I can't imagine it is easy for him right now with all that's going on in the DT camp. . . I'm not a drummer or anything, but he was my favorite DT member. But I'm a fan of all DT members and my love for DT has not waned. And I am excited for their future with MM, I can't wait to hear his output in DT.
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I absolutely LOVE the new song!!! It really has everything I love about DT in it and then some (the then some is some of my favorite lyrics ever). I can't wait for the new album. I would think they'd use the most "accessible" song for the single, so I'm anticipating some true awesomeness for the rest of the album.
On the topic of Portnoy that has made it's way into this thread. . . I'm choosing not to read too far into his "likes." We all have our quirks, but I am sure he is a really great guy and don't want to jump to any conclusions regarding his recent facebook things. I can't imagine it is easy for him right now with all that's going on in the DT camp. . . I'm not a drummer or anything, but he was my favorite DT member. But I'm a fan of all DT members and my love for DT has not waned. And I am excited for their future with MM, I can't wait to hear his output in DT.
Get with the theme bro, was it a grower or not?
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I absolutely LOVE the new song!!! It really has everything I love about DT in it and then some (the then some is some of my favorite lyrics ever). I can't wait for the new album. I would think they'd use the most "accessible" song for the single, so I'm anticipating some true awesomeness for the rest of the album.
On the topic of Portnoy that has made it's way into this thread. . . I'm choosing not to read too far into his "likes." We all have our quirks, but I am sure he is a really great guy and don't want to jump to any conclusions regarding his recent facebook things. I can't imagine it is easy for him right now with all that's going on in the DT camp. . . I'm not a drummer or anything, but he was my favorite DT member. But I'm a fan of all DT members and my love for DT has not waned. And I am excited for their future with MM, I can't wait to hear his output in DT.
Get with the theme bro, was it a grower or not?
Ha ha ha. . . I thought it was bloody brilliant upon first listen and have tried not to over listen to it, so it hasn't had much of a chance to grow. But, it seems quite progressive and deep, so I think I won't tire of it anytime soon. Especially in the context of the whole album, it will probably just get better.
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Hey, I'm new here, but just thought I'd say the new track is pretty great!
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Welcome!
Yes it is!!!! Is it growing in you already?!
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Welcome!
Yes it is!!!! Is it growing in you already?!
Thank you! And yes, I love the chorus! Jordan's keyboard sounds impressed me on this track, as well as his playing, obviously. :biggrin:
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(2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.
That is irrelevant. Just because you like someone as a drummer doesn't mean you'll like them in any band or project, especially one that you used to be in and where he is your replacement.
Hey, ariich, I want to move to England with you, where no one ever does anything from a negative point-of-view. :biggrin:
:lol Amen to that! :tup :tup
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Is it growing in you already?!
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It's nice to have it on my MP3 player. That way I can have that massive grower right in my ear every day.
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Next person to use any form of the word grow, or any form of a synonym of the word grow is getting a 1 day ban. :p
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It's a massive negative decayer.
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It's fine. I spoke my piece. :rollin
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In that span of 1 day ban- I will allow that word to grow on me
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Is it growing in you already?!
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Hahahah come on!
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In that span of 1 day ban- I will allow that word to grow on me
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/banhammer.jpg)
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I shall back down. The banhammer has already taken one of my profiles on gamespot :lol
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Looks like it's currently flying through Canada.
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Welcome!
Yes it is!!!! Is it growing in you already?!
Thank you! And yes, I love the chorus! Jordan's keyboard sounds impressed me on this track, as well as his playing, obviously. :biggrin:
Yeah a lot has been talked about JR playing I personally love it man, is just the main color on the picture!
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I love the groove MMX plays during the opening verse "Standing on the backs..." Great song
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Next person to use any form of the word grow, or any form of a synonym of the word grow is getting a 1 day ban. :p
This song greatly reeks of win-sauce. It's absolutely great. Really outstanding work. Excellent rhythm.
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Hey, ariich, I want to move to England with you, where no one ever does anything from a negative point-of-view. :biggrin:
Eh, most people here in the UK tend to make negative assumptions/interpretations as well. :lol I'm just unusual in that I generally lean towards giving people the benefit of the doubt. Seeing as there's no potential for personal hurt towards me, I think it's fairer to assume something more down-to-earth than to make inferences and assume the worst.
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I guess I'll weigh in on MP one last time:
I will agree entirely that he seems pretty careless about some of his comments and likes and retweets. I would only assert that it's not really fair to expect him to be completely careful all the time. Carelessness is forgivable in my eyes; it's kind of impossible to be so careful that you manage to think of every implication of everything you say.
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I guess I'll weigh in on MP one last time:
I will agree entirely that he seems pretty careless about some of his comments and likes and retweets. I would only assert that it's not really fair to expect him to be completely careful all the time. Carelessness is forgivable in my eyes; it's kind of impossible to be so careful that you manage to think of every implication of everything you say.
Ok, but if he can't be completely carefull all the time, then, do not expect the fans to be happy with MP's behaviour.
DT (JP, JLB, JMX, JR and MM) has been always really respectful and showing how painful it was Mike's departue (anyway, I think they didn't want that kind of Mike in the band anymore and they were in some way, happy with the departure).
And then you have MP with this behaviour, always lurking and ready to start flame wars with subtle retweets and approvements.
The song is great and if he can't appreciate his ex bandmates work, then is clear he will never be happy.
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I guess I'll weigh in on MP one last time:
I will agree entirely that he seems pretty careless about some of his comments and likes and retweets. I would only assert that it's not really fair to expect him to be completely careful all the time. Carelessness is forgivable in my eyes; it's kind of impossible to be so careful that you manage to think of every implication of everything you say.
Ok, but if he can't be completely carefull all the time, then, do not expect the fans to be happy with MP's behaviour.
DT (JP, JLB, JMX, JR and MM) has been always really respectful and showing how painful it was Mike's departue (anyway, I think they didn't want that kind of Mike in the band anymore and they were in some way, happy with the departure).
And then you have MP with this behaviour, always lurking and ready to start flame wars with subtle retweets and approvements.
The song is great and if he can't appreciate his ex bandmates work, then is clear he will never be happy.
Just to clarify, my post was made with the idea in mind that MP didn't mean to be negative, but was simply oblivious to the negative aspects of what he was saying/endorsing.
If he meant things negatively, then yes, absolutely it's reasonable to form a negative opinion of him.
I'm just saying I forgive him if it was carelessness rather than intentional negativity.
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I just can't understand how can't someone see the negativity in that posts approvements.
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I think we all know that Mike is an emotional person, and let's not forget that he really loved DT and didn't really want to leave.
It is expected that he shows some negativity seing DT continue as strong as ever without him, because he wanted a hiatus, not to leave.
But it is very possible that these "likes" on FB are just careless actions, as i guess he liked the parts that talked about Adrenaline Mob and how he is irreplacable. And to a degree, he is.
His role in DT was very important and leading, and i'm sure it is painful to him seeing the band being happy carrying on with another drummer. I don't justify his actions, as they seem a bit immature to me, but i can understand his feelings. But he has to move on, if he hasn't already.
I'm sure time will heal the relationship between MP and DT, and we as fans will continue to enjoy great music from both sides.
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Carelessness is of course forgivable, you'd have to be pretty merciless otherwise. But it doesn't hide the fact that after everything that has happened, MP should really have learned by now to think before he posts, likes or retweets something.
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Carelessness is of course forgivable, you'd have to be pretty merciless otherwise. But it doesn't hide the fact that after everything that has happened, MP should really have learned by now to think before he posts, likes or retweets something.
You're right, but i guess Mike can't change. I used to be very annoyed by his posts and attitude during the whole breakup period, but now i just dont care.
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Wait, are we still expecting that? He has proven time and again that he doesn't really do that. My guess is that he never will.
As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
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I think we all know that Mike is an emotional person, and let's not forget that he really loved DT and didn't really want to leave.
It is expected that he shows some negativity seing DT continue as strong as ever without him, because he wanted a hiatus, not to leave.
But it is very possible that these "likes" on FB are just careless actions, as i guess he liked the parts that talked about Adrenaline Mob and how he is irreplacable. And to a degree, he is.
Well, he wanted a 5 years hiatus or more, and that means he was tired of the band and wanted to return just to make cash in the future, that's all. If he wanted a hiatus, how is that since he know he will never be part of DT again, is having a lot of side projects and playing with tons of bands and he is extremely happy and plenty of work? How is that? I really think he was just tired of DT and wanted to stop it for years and was just thinking in his own person, not as a band. when he saw the others said..."what?! ok, we'll go on without you", then he became mad and started to know that DT it was more than his feelings.
His role in DT was very important and leading, and i'm sure it is painful to him seeing the band being happy carrying on with another drummer. I don't justify his actions, as they seem a bit immature to me, but i can understand his feelings. But he has to move on, if he hasn't already.
I'm sure time will heal the relationship between MP and DT, and we as fans will continue to enjoy great music from both sides.
Yes, he was a leading member, and because of that he should bring that honour right now and stop playing these childish and immature games.
Seems we all have to understand by necessity his feelings, but what about our feelings? what about that? We are all persons, and we are all DT fans, and this decay in the form of rejection against the new DT is just a sad chapter in DT's history.
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Raz, you've been banned before for your comments towards MP, so I suggest you let it go. Especially if you're going to just make stuff up like "and that means he was tired of the band and wanted to return just to make cash in the future". :facepalm:
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Raz, you've been banned before for your comments towards MP, so I suggest you let it go. Especially if you're going to just make stuff up like "and that means he was tired of the band and wanted to return just to make cash in the future". :facepalm:
Yes, but there are others that can say he is jealous and bring things from other forums to create flame wars and nothing happens. Seems you are all good friends and where someone is free to say, others are censored.
Funny thing that many people thinks the same, but you know, we have to be censored like in a dictatorship and just say good things, even when people is clearly attacking other persons. Ban me if you want one hundred times, I won't change my opinion due to your dictatorship.
I suppose you and bösk are feeling like god around here, but you know, this is just a forum.
And, tell me if is not true that MP said he wanted a hiatus and a return in 5 or more years just to surprise again and return with more power, and JP said no because maybe people will forgot too much about DT. That is said in an interview. Tell me waht MP wanted to do with that hiatus, of course to stop and return later having people expecting an incredible new return and sell more albums. That's an strategy seen many times before.
As he saw the others said no, now suddenly he is gonna release one thousand projects with new bands and is free to like agressive posts against the new DT.
Nice DT fan you are if you approve that and you are planning to ban me for my opinion, ariich, nice.
PS: And if you don't want to see MP comments in this topic, cause it is wrong, ban to the people that brought that comments here. I, for example, didn't know about it until I read the comments here.
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
Me too. I don't want to burn out on it before the album comes.
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
I have listened just three times :D cause I don't want to get fed up either. It's too soon imo to have this song if the album comes out in September! The waiting is getting worst! I will listen some other times till then I suppose, but it's better to "forget" the song by now...
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
Me too. I don't want to burn out on it before the album comes.
How many times have You Guys listening to it? I'm just curious, because I something about 8 times from RR, then 4 or 5 times on YT videos from actual shows.
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
Me too. I don't want to burn out on it before the album comes.
How many times have You Guys listening to it? I'm just curious, because I something about 8 times from RR, then 4 or 5 times on YT videos from actual shows.
Oh I haven't counted but perhaps 10-12 times.
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Gah, I know! We are at what, 68 days til album release? That is about 10 weeks, which is so close and yet so far.
Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
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As for OTBOA... I've stopped listening to it for a while, since I don't want to get fed up with it. But it's still a very enjoyable song to me.
Oh yes. I'm giving it a rest for a few weeks.
Me too. I don't want to burn out on it before the album comes.
How many times have You Guys listening to it? I'm just curious, because I something about 8 times from RR, then 4 or 5 times on YT videos from actual shows.
Oh I haven't counted but perhaps 10-12 times.
Oh, that's ok because I was thinking that I'm staying left behind a little with DTF :P you can find posts in here where is written "I'm listening to it 30 times and it still is just getting better and better" ;)
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I've listened to it 4 or 5 times.
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
You see Zydar? ;D
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I think i listen to the song 5 times every day. I just can't stop.
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
You see Zydar? ;D
;D
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
I drive at least 2 hours a day. :p Plus, I give the song a 9/10 now, so I'm just giving it a rest so I don't burn it out.
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I think i listen to the song 5 times every day. I just can't stop.
:omg: wow... now, that is.... brutal :o It's a great song for sure, but Guys ;D 5 x 9 = 45 times ;D
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
I drive at least 2 hours a day. :p Plus, I give the song a 9/10 now, so I'm just giving it a rest so I don't burn it out.
:lol yes stop it a little, man, cause it's a long time till the album comes out.
But well, then we have nikatapi with 5x9 a day ;D ;D ;D
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Still haven't listened :) I'm holding out till the albums release. I much prefer listening to albums without knowing any of the songs beforehand.
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Still haven't listened :) I'm holding out till the albums release. I much prefer listening to albums without knowing any of the songs beforehand.
Really?? I'm impressed, my will is not so strong ;) :tup
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Still haven't listened :) I'm holding out till the albums release. I much prefer listening to albums without knowing any of the songs beforehand.
Ι'm jealous. I don't have the will to do this. I only did it with Octavarium and Systematic Chaos because i didn't have access to internet at the time...
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So Jirpo should be called Willpo :metal :metal
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Once, I went to Roadrunners channel to listen to the new Machine Head song, and the first thing was OTBOA and I heard the first 2-3 seconds which is pretty much nothing :p
But now I know the song length, although I would find that out before I heard the album anyway, along with the other song lengths.
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Edit: I've listened probably 30 times, mostly in my car.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
I drive at least 2 hours a day. :p Plus, I give the song a 9/10 now, so I'm just giving it a rest so I don't burn it out.
:lol yes stop it a little, man, cause it's a long time till the album comes out.
Nah, I'm fine, I have plenty of other music to listen to and explore. ;)
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I don't want to feed the flames either, but this one pissed me off
Dear Mike,
After watching the DT show last night in Rome...I got pissed about Mangini's awful touch & sound on the old DT songs...please come out with the Mob album...we need your power!!!
Mike Portnoy likes this
Sorry Rich, but if true, this is a bit of a dick move from MP. :lol
Yup. MP liking all those comments that bash Mangini makes him sound like a sour-puss. Which he already was kinda sounding like, anyway. If Petrucci "liked" a comment that said "was awesome to hear a drummer breathe some life into Portnoy's parts, and thank god those awful MP vox are done with," I bet the MP fans would be up-in-arms about it. And MP too, maybe.
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Jordan's keyboard sounds impressed me on this track
What a marvelous garden path sentence (https://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_path_sentence")!
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Yes, but there are others that can say he is jealous and bring things from other forums to create flame wars and nothing happens. Seems you are all good friends and where someone is free to say, others are censored.
Funny thing that many people thinks the same, but you know, we have to be censored like in a dictatorship and just say good things, even when people is clearly attacking other persons. Ban me if you want one hundred times, I won't change my opinion due to your dictatorship.
I suppose you and bösk are feeling like god around here, but you know, this is just a forum.
:lol Wtf? You weren't banned for your opinion, but for the way you express it. You are absolutely correct, lots of people bring negative opinions and that's absolutely fine, but they don't do it in such a nasty way. I know I should take this to PM, but I want to post this publicly because apparently some people don't understand, despite Nick, bosk and I explaining it over and over again. Negative opinions are fine. Expressing them in a nasty way that attacks the people in question is not fine. End of story.
And, tell me if is not true that MP said he wanted a hiatus and a return in 5 or more years just to surprise again and return with more power,
No, he never said that.
and JP said no because maybe people will forgot too much about DT. That is said in an interview.
That part is correct.
Tell me waht MP wanted to do with that hiatus, of course to stop and return later having people expecting an incredible new return and sell more albums. That's an strategy seen many times before.
This is exactly what I was referring to, you have no basis for this claim other than stuff you've made up in your head.
As he saw the others said no, now suddenly he is gonna release one thousand projects with new bands and is free to like agressive posts against the new DT.
He has always had loads of projects on the go, or did you forget those again?
Now honestly, let it go. If you want to continue the conversation, feel free to PM me, but it does not belong in this thread.
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Next person to use any form of the word grow, or any form of a synonym of the word grow is getting a 1 day ban. :p
Mission accomplished lol
On topic: still havent gotten 5 listens in, youtube at work doesn't really work (takes 10 mins to load a video, 90% chance of an "error"), need to work&concetrate while at home for a few weeks as well.
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And, tell me if is not true that MP said he wanted a hiatus and a return in 5 or more years just to surprise again and return with more power,
No, he never said that.
MP did say he wanted to go on hiatus for 5 years or so, to come back bigger and better than ever.
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In fact he said indefinite, and when the band said no he suggested 5-years as something more specific. As for coming back bigger and better, yes that was part of it, but it wasn't "just to surprise again...". He wanted the break because he was tired of DT - the coming back stronger was just a part of that, and probably simply a means to try and persuade the rest of the guys.
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Mods, I don't want to tell you how to do your job... but I get really annoyed when I come to this thread wanting to read about On the Backs of Angels, but then have to sift through a mountain of MP tweet discussion. I just think that those belong in a thread of its own. If I'm the only person that feels that way then just ignore me.
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feeling lazy today, did we figure out what the sound byte in the beginning is?
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:D :D It's funny to see moderators replying to old posts about MP while we were talking about the song finally, and then they claim we should focus on the title of the topic.
You know what ariich?
:facepalm:
Back on topic again: I have listened to the song again, it is 4 times now, and it gets better and I like the way the drums are mixed more and more now.
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Mods, I don't want to tell you how to do your job... but I get really annoyed when I come to this thread wanting to read about On the Backs of Angels, but then have to sift through a mountain of MP tweet discussion. I just think that those belong in a thread of its own. If I'm the only person that feels that way then just ignore me.
Agreed.
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Mods, I don't want to tell you how to do your job... but I get really annoyed when I come to this thread wanting to read about On the Backs of Angels, but then have to sift through a mountain of MP tweet discussion. I just think that those belong in a thread of its own. If I'm the only person that feels that way then just ignore me.
Well, the tweet was about the song, so it was related. But I can understand being frustrated if you just want to read fan's reactions and don't care about the latest Portnoy drama.
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Mods, I don't want to tell you how to do your job... but I get really annoyed when I come to this thread wanting to read about On the Backs of Angels, but then have to sift through a mountain of MP tweet discussion. I just think that those belong in a thread of its own. If I'm the only person that feels that way then just ignore me.
Well, the tweet was about the song, so it was related. But I can understand being frustrated if you just want to read fan's reactions and don't care about the latest Portnoy drama.
At first. It has grown into general discussion of the whole MP/DT situation.
Anyway... I'm going to take a bit of a break from listening as well. I'm sure I've listened to it well over 20 times. Then end just leaves me wanting to hear more. That's ok, I have new Camel and King Crimson albums to explore for now.
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...the latest Portnoy drama.
Sounds like a good sticky thread title. :lol
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Still not tired of the song, I'm very much inclined to give it at least 1-2 spins a day. I've been revisiting my favorite DT records again these days, and I have to say this song brings something fresh to their sound, while still having everything I like about them. At first glance the song seemed to have the problem of having random sections tied together, but that's so not the case. The more and more listens it gets, the more each section gets placed better in context. Which means it grabs you by the throat more and more. Awesome, DT. Really great.
Can't really explain it, the composition and arrangement is just top notch, just like they did on I&W through FII. Has elements post SFAM DT as well (which are awesome elements), but it hasn't got the over the top METUHL and wankery. This song just has awesome little breaks, and an amazingly beautiful instrumental section.
So yeah, basically DT doing what they do best. Seeing 'em live next sunday hell yeah!
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Yeah, I get a Root of All Evil, These Walls, Forsaken vibe. Mixed with the classic mood and atmosphere.
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Listening to it yet again, I have to say, hearing the bass so clearly audible just makes me smile.
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My current ranking of DT's opening tracks, disregarding Regression.
The Glass Prison
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1
As I Am
A Fortune in Lies
On the Backs of Angels
A Nightmare to Remember
Pull Me Under
6:00
The Root of All Evil
New Millennium
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Listening to it yet again, I have to say, hearing the bass so clearly audible just makes me smile.
Agreed. Still I think my bass tone is faaar better than Muyng's, but being audible is a start. His tone still ain't that good (but sounds a little better than BC&SL though), but it was very nice for instance on I&W. The Great Debate is probably the last track where the bass sounded great. I think it's a bit frustrating that when I'm just an amateur, I'm still getting tones that are sounding so much better both soloed and in a mix. Considering he's using a Bongo (I myself use a 5 string Stingray), he could get a very good clean tone to lay down some nice bottom.
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Listening to it yet again, I have to say, hearing the bass so clearly audible just makes me smile.
Agreed. Still I think my bass tone is faaar better than Muyng's, but being audible is a start (tone sounds a little better than BC&SL though). His tone still ain't that good, but it was very nice for instance on I&W. The Great Debate is probably the last track where the bass sounded great. I think it's a bit frustrating that when I'm just an amateur, I'm still getting tones that are sounding so much better both soloed and in a mix. Considering he's using a Bongo (I myself use a 5 string Stingray), he could get a very good clean tone to lay down some nice bottom.
Music Man's sound is the greatest, maybe JM is not using that souns in fully, but he has His tone, very characteristic. I'm using Yamaha and I could say that my bottom is also,hm, maybe it has more ground. But JM's tone fits there, it's definitly better in OTBOA than in all BC&SL...
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
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Listening to it yet again, I have to say, hearing the bass so clearly audible just makes me smile.
Agreed. Still I think my bass tone is faaar better than Muyng's, but being audible is a start (tone sounds a little better than BC&SL though). His tone still ain't that good, but it was very nice for instance on I&W. The Great Debate is probably the last track where the bass sounded great. I think it's a bit frustrating that when I'm just an amateur, I'm still getting tones that are sounding so much better both soloed and in a mix. Considering he's using a Bongo (I myself use a 5 string Stingray), he could get a very good clean tone to lay down some nice bottom.
Music Man's sound is the greatest, maybe JM is not using that souns in fully, but he has His tone, very characteristic. I'm using Yamaha and I could say that my bottom is also,hm, maybe it has more ground. But JM's tone fits there, it's definitly better in OTBOA than in all BC&SL...
Yeah, it's easily twice as good as BC&SL. Still a bit too much of that fuzz thing to my ears. Distortion CAN be cool, but only at times where a song is really asking for it. BC&SL had a distorted sound that didn't sound good in any way, I suppose I just don't like whatever pedal he's using (sounding very low fi). Still sounds like the same thing, but with some better settings this time around and not that much of it. In general it would sound better with it completely off though. With the distorted tone from Petrucci that's enough of that, the bass would shine more without distortion that keeps fighting with the guitar.
I would so love getting stems again (of course that was a one time thing), and play a clean tone on this song.
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
:-*
:millahhhh
Let's just say that, in my mind, that is not a lab bottle he's holding. :heart
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
:-*
:millahhhh
Let's just say that, in my mind, that is not a lab bottle he's holding. :heart
Is that what it's meant to be?! I thought he was blind!
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
:-*
:millahhhh
Let's just say that, in my mind, that is not a lab bottle he's holding. :heart
Is that what it's meant to be?! I thought he was blind!
This. I thought it was a blind trumpet player!
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My current ranking of DT's opening tracks, disregarding Regression.
The Glass Prison
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1
As I Am
A Fortune in Lies
On the Backs of Angels
A Nightmare to Remember
Pull Me Under
6:00
The Root of All Evil
New Millennium
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at least you got the New Millenium part right
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new millennium is awesome
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
:-*
:millahhhh
Let's just say that, in my mind, that is not a lab bottle he's holding. :heart
:chill
This is not exactly a chill pill. It's meant for something else.
:heart
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Are we talking about songs or boners I can't tell.
:-*
:millahhhh
Let's just say that, in my mind, that is not a lab bottle he's holding. :heart
:chill
This is not exactly a chill pill. It's meant for something else.
:heart
Damn guys! This thread is going nuts!!! :eek
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Quite literally, in fact. That's the new topic.
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Quite litereally, in fact. That's the new topic.
*clap clap*
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Awesome song. What I like most about it is that it's a SONG - not a showcase to demonstrate how fast JP and Jordan can play licks that have nothing to do with the song. It feels like a real, genuine SONG. They've been missing that for a while. The instrumental parts are great..... love the piano interlude/ solo, the little guitar melody/ solo after the verses.... overall great tune. Very much looking forward to the album. The only one I'm worried about is "The Shaman's Trance." Just a goofy topic for a song.....
Oh, and..... not to get this BS started again, BUT.... please, MP liked a comment that called Mangini's playing awful. Stop being fanboys and just admit it. Not everyone is perfect. MP is a human and, quite honestly, I can empathize with him. He's wrong. He's being immature. But, he's human and humans have emotions and feelings and they react to things. There's NOTHING wrong with saying, as fans of MP, that he behaved inappropriately. And, the argument that, "he wasn't at the Rome show, so he couldn't have commented on Mangini's playing" is kind of dumb.
When you're hurt about something, you're going to let emotion take you over and you're going to say things without any logic or factual information. MP could never have even known who Mike Mangini is and never heard him play one note and I think he still would have "liked" the comment. He's upset and he's going to agree with ANYONE that criticizes DT, especially a fan who is siding with him.
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Awesome song. What I like most about it is that it's a SONG - not a showcase to demonstrate how fast JP and Jordan can play licks that have nothing to do with the song. It feels like a real, genuine SONG. They've been missing that for a while. The instrumental parts are great..... love the piano interlude/ solo, the little guitar melody/ solo after the verses.... overall great tune. Very much looking forward to the album. The only one I'm worried about is "The Shaman's Trance." Just a goofy topic for a song.....
Oh, and..... not to get this BS started again, BUT.... please, MP liked a comment that called Mangini's playing awful. Stop being fanboys and just admit it. Not everyone is perfect. MP is a human and, quite honestly, I can empathize with him. He's wrong. He's being immature. But, he's human and humans have emotions and feelings and they react to things. There's NOTHING wrong with saying, as fans of MP, that he behaved inappropriately. And, the argument that, "he wasn't at the Rome show, so he couldn't have commented on Mangini's playing" is kind of dumb.
When you're hurt about something, you're going to let emotion take you over and you're going to say things without any logic or factual information. MP could never have even known who Mike Mangini is and never heard him play one note and I think he still would have "liked" the comment. He's upset and he's going to agree with ANYONE that criticizes DT, especially a fan who is siding with him.
In any case, MP has always called for attention : he's done a great job with his "likes" because people are still discussing them 3 days later. And that was , IMO, intentional on his part.
B.Lee
On topic : OtBoA is an awesome song : it didn't click with me at first but then, I've been discovering tiny things here and there with every new listen. And THAT is a good sign in my book. Long live DT!
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This have to be one of the most compex DT songs out there. I cant really get a grip of the last minute for example, its impossible! So what do you think?
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This have to be one of the most compex DT songs out there. I cant really get a grip of the last minute for example, its impossible! So what do you think?
Not really.
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This have to be one of the most compex DT songs out there. I cant really get a grip of the last minute for example, its impossible! So what do you think?
Not really.
Yeah it's really not one of their complex pieces.
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Oh, and..... not to get this BS started again, BUT.... please, MP liked a comment that called Mangini's playing awful. Stop being fanboys and just admit it. Not everyone is perfect. MP is a human and, quite honestly, I can empathize with him. He's wrong. He's being immature. But, he's human and humans have emotions and feelings and they react to things. There's NOTHING wrong with saying, as fans of MP, that he behaved inappropriately. And, the argument that, "he wasn't at the Rome show, so he couldn't have commented on Mangini's playing" is kind of dumb. .
Yeah im 99% agred with this but he is Also a public figure and there is where he is fucking up. IMO.
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I have new Camel and King Crimson albums to explore for now.
:o ???WHAT??? :o
Awesome song. What I like most about it is that it's a SONG - not a showcase to demonstrate how fast JP and Jordan can play licks that have nothing to do with the song. It feels like a real, genuine SONG. They've been missing that for a while. The instrumental parts are great..... love the piano interlude/ solo, the little guitar melody/ solo after the verses.... overall great tune. Very much looking forward to the album. The only one I'm worried about is "The Shaman's Trance." Just a goofy topic for a song.....
Oh, and..... not to get this BS started again, BUT.... please, MP liked a comment that called Mangini's playing awful. Stop being fanboys and just admit it. Not everyone is perfect. MP is a human and, quite honestly, I can empathize with him. He's wrong. He's being immature. But, he's human and humans have emotions and feelings and they react to things. There's NOTHING wrong with saying, as fans of MP, that he behaved inappropriately. And, the argument that, "he wasn't at the Rome show, so he couldn't have commented on Mangini's playing" is kind of dumb.
When you're hurt about something, you're going to let emotion take you over and you're going to say things without any logic or factual information. MP could never have even known who Mike Mangini is and never heard him play one note and I think he still would have "liked" the comment. He's upset and he's going to agree with ANYONE that criticizes DT, especially a fan who is siding with him.
SnakeEyes, that's was a great post!
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Just realised how many posts Mike is actually liking
"Listening "On The Backs Of Angels "...I miss something..."
Mike Portnoy Likes this
"Hi Mike!
I miss you so much.
DT is no longer the band that I fell in love.
You are and will always be the soul of DT.
Mangini is a great drummer but you Mike! You are and will always be DT. You are the soul of this band. You Mike only you!
Please come back!!"
Mike Portnoy likes this
Shame he's not liking the posts where people are saying nice things. He only seems to be liking the ones about DT.
Never mind.
On the Backs of Angels is a real grower, really want an official MP3 release :/ :metal
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I just hope this doesn't damage his friendship with said new drummer.
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Great song, and Mike plays his *** off, but the EQ stinks on the kick drums and they're too loud compared to the rest of Mike's kit. In fact, the kick drums don't sound like they belong with the rest of Mike's kit. It's distracting from a great song. Having said that, welcome again, Mike!!!
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I have new Camel and King Crimson albums to explore for now.
:o ???WHAT??? :o
Awesome song. What I like most about it is that it's a SONG - not a showcase to demonstrate how fast JP and Jordan can play licks that have nothing to do with the song. It feels like a real, genuine SONG. They've been missing that for a while. The instrumental parts are great..... love the piano interlude/ solo, the little guitar melody/ solo after the verses.... overall great tune. Very much looking forward to the album. The only one I'm worried about is "The Shaman's Trance." Just a goofy topic for a song.....
Oh, and..... not to get this BS started again, BUT.... please, MP liked a comment that called Mangini's playing awful. Stop being fanboys and just admit it. Not everyone is perfect. MP is a human and, quite honestly, I can empathize with him. He's wrong. He's being immature. But, he's human and humans have emotions and feelings and they react to things. There's NOTHING wrong with saying, as fans of MP, that he behaved inappropriately. And, the argument that, "he wasn't at the Rome show, so he couldn't have commented on Mangini's playing" is kind of dumb.
When you're hurt about something, you're going to let emotion take you over and you're going to say things without any logic or factual information. MP could never have even known who Mike Mangini is and never heard him play one note and I think he still would have "liked" the comment. He's upset and he's going to agree with ANYONE that criticizes DT, especially a fan who is siding with him.
SnakeEyes, that's was a great post!
Agreed. The only thing that's bothering me is that he does it "in the shadows" (by liking FB posts rather than speaking about it himself).
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Agreed. The only thing that's bothering me is that he does it "in the shadows" (by liking FB posts rather than speaking about it himself).
I love your username. <3
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BTW, I love that we can still call the drummer Mike. :lol
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TBH, this song is good but still it hasn't reached the memorable state. I haven't listened to it since day 2 of its release... and quite frankly I'm not missing it.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean I'm not eager to listen to the whole album. I guess right now I'm built up with a lot of patience.
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I don't miss it, but it's not like AROP where if it came up on shuffle or I happened upon it I'm like, "Oh, you again." That's really what makes the difference for me: I may not be like "OMG I HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT AGAIN," but I would have a hard time calling this song skippable.
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I haven't played the song at all in the last two days and it's very hard. I just don't want to get tired of it, so I'm trying to give it some time. Unfortunately, it's not that easy, I think I'll have to listen to it tomorrow. ;D
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BTW, I love that we can still call the drummer Mike. :lol
Now it's MMX
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And why the friggin' X. :lol
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One of the things I like about this song is how well it fits into a DT playlist. I created a playlist of the current concert setlist and OTBOA flows right out of The Great Debate and right into Caught in a Web. It also sounds really great live, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh7LhUQUAjM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh7LhUQUAjM) and you can really see what MM is doing on the kit.
There are many things to like about the song, the mix is great overall. All of the players can be heard, which is a welcome change from recent albums. While the JLB vocals don't soar (which I was hoping for pre-listen), they are well done and have a nice tone and rhythm to them. The opening really catches me with the subtle opening and then "soaring" once the chorus kicks in. There is also some fun stuff at the end with some odd time and chord changes.
But the thing I really enjoy about this song is that it is unquestionably DT and it has elements that appeal to listeners from all DT eras. The ending also leaves me waiting for the next song.
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(..) The ending also leaves me waiting for the next song.
Yeah, you mean outro? It's great, it shows that we could expect really odd time signatures on ADTOE ! :tup
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Yeah, you mean outro?
ending, outro, tomay-to, tomah-to
:P
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Seriously, no more about any of MP's likes or dislikes in this thread. The first one was kind of related to the topic, since the post he "liked" was about this song, but this is not the MP FB thread.
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And why the friggin' X. :lol
A better question would be: Why not? :biggrin:
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TBH, this song is good but still it hasn't reached the memorable state. I haven't listened to it since day 2 of its release... and quite frankly I'm not missing it.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean I'm not eager to listen to the whole album. I guess right now I'm built up with a lot of patience.
this this this this this this
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But overall this song feels as if DT created the song after taking a massive dosis of valium. I liked the coffee or redbull-drinking DT more.
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TBH, this song is good but still it hasn't reached the memorable state. I haven't listened to it since day 2 of its release... and quite frankly I'm not missing it.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean I'm not eager to listen to the whole album. I guess right now I'm built up with a lot of patience.
After listening to A Change of Seasons a couple of times, I wasn't missing it even one bit. But it still became one of my favorites long afterward.
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TBH, this song is good but still it hasn't reached the memorable state. I haven't listened to it since day 2 of its release... and quite frankly I'm not missing it.
It becomes far more memorable with later listens. I heard it a few times the day it came out, waited five days (I went away), then listened again a few times. It didn't really hit me the first day but I like it a lot now. I'm going to try to stagger my listens as much as possible so I don't get burnt out by the time the album comes out.
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I think it feels weird that On the Backs of Angels is just 10 seconds longer than A Rite of Passage and only 5 seconds shorter than The Dark Eternal Night. ARoP doesn't feel that long, not even with the way dragged on solo. And The Dark Eternal Night seems much longer than OtBoA listening to it.
No point really, just felt like saying that.
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I actually think that's a very good point, BlackInk. To me, the point you're accidentally making is that OtBoA doesn't FEEL like a long song, because there's no drag to it.
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TBH, this song is good but still it hasn't reached the memorable state. I haven't listened to it since day 2 of its release... and quite frankly I'm not missing it.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean I'm not eager to listen to the whole album. I guess right now I'm built up with a lot of patience.
After listening to A Change of Seasons a couple of times, I wasn't missing it even one bit. But it still became one of my favorites long afterward.
In fairness, it's almost impossible to love a 20 minute song after just two listens, but it's very possible to love an 8 minute song after just two listens.
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I actually think that's a very good point, BlackInk. To me, the point you're accidentally making is that OtBoA doesn't FEEL like a long song, because there's no drag to it.
Yeah I guess we could say that's what I was saying (now that I think about it that was pretty much what I meant).
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Agreed. The only thing that's bothering me is that he does it "in the shadows" (by liking FB posts rather than speaking about it himself).
I love your username. <3
Thank you, I'm quite proud of it :lol
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At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, does it mean anything? :p
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At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, does it mean anything? :p
Just to save you from feeling like an idiot, I wanted to ask the same thing.
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Sounds like a Norwegian Metal Band, hahah.
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It sounds like the swedish word "axelklaffar" but with all the "a"s replaced with "ö".
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Oh, well then that certainly makes everything clear. Thanks.
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You're very welcome. "Axelklaffar" means epaulettes I think.
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Oh, well then that certainly makes everything clear. Thanks.
I was gonna say... :lol
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At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, does it mean anything? :p
It means "pass the bacon."
None for you.
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It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it? :angry:
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It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it? :angry:
Well strictly speaking if you are Jewish, then Bacon isn't exactly kosher, is it?
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Yes, but you see I'm Jew-"ish" :laugh:
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It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it? :angry:
Well strictly speaking if you are Jewish, then Bacon isn't exactly kosher, is it?
He's considering converting to Islam.
Which I guess doesn't help matters.
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In fairness, it's almost impossible to love a 20 minute song after just two listens, but it's very possible to love an 8 minute song after just two listens.
I loved TCOT after one listen.
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In fairness, it's almost impossible to love a 20 minute song after just two listens, but it's very possible to love an 8 minute song after just two listens.
Didn't even notice this post, hahah.
Still, DT's had a whole bunch of songs that I didn't like at first and fell in love with later. Under A Glass Moon is a great example of that. Home, although it's a bit longer. Raise The Knife. Many of the songs on FII.
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I really dig this song. I probably have listened 20+ times now and it just a has different vibe to me, but is still dream theater. Jordan's keyboard sounds are awesome now and like many others have stated this doesn't feel like a 9 minute song at all. September really is too far away now. Hopefully were blown away
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I really dig this song. I probably have listened 20+ times now and it just a has different vibe to me, but is still dream theater. Jordan's keyboard sounds are awesome now and like many others have stated this doesn't feel like a 9 minute song at all. September really is too far away now. Hopefully were blown away
And yet... Two months... To little months. Remember on January 3rd, when JP said, "We're going into the studio today to record a new album"? That was like, "Oh man... Still so long until the next album."
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You're very welcome. "Axelklaffar" means epaulettes I think.
Well I think you're right! The origin of my username can be traced by using the following pictures:
"Axelklaff" is the patch with the "9" on it:
(https://www.algonet.se/~hogman/militaria/uni_i_hat2_m1910.jpg)
...and "öxölklöfför" is indeed "axelklaffar" with the a's and the e replaced with 'ö':
(https://syltpop.blogg.se/images/2006/_x_lkl_ff_r__1157303865_9908612.jpg)
(the picture is a part of a series of "nonsense" pics that was spread on swedish websites for a while, which became quite popular. For unknown reasons).
So, now you know the story of my username, perhaps I'll tell you the rest another time :P
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HAHAHAHH vilken sjuk serie :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Epic name is epic.
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It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it? :angry:
Maybe. Hey, I don't write the rules.
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I had a dream last night that the version of OTBOA that we heard was a radio edit, while the real thing had longer intro and outro sections, as well as a whole extra verse. By light of day I don't think this is the case, and would be annoyed if the song took much more space on the album, but my was it cool in the dream.
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Every time I read this thread's title I find myself singing it the same as the chorus of JLB's "One More Time" (from Static Impulse)
"On the baaaaaaaaaaaaacks of aaangels" - a la "it was like yeeeeeeeeeeesterday"
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I had a dream last night that the version of OTBOA that we heard was a radio edit, while the real thing had longer intro and outro sections, as well as a whole extra verse. By light of day I don't think this is the case, and would be annoyed if the song took much more space on the album, but my was it cool in the dream.
It's most likely they will play the real version live, and it's the same version that we've heard, so I would bet good money on that this is the one and only version.
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I just heard the track and saw the artwork for the first time today. Like the track, but very glad the DT sound is still there.....I forgot how much I missed JP! He is amazing. The artwork is great....have they used the same guy previously? Sorry if it has been mentioned before :angel:
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I just heard the track and saw the artwork for the first time today. Like the track, but very glad the DT sound is still there.....I forgot how much I missed JP! He is amazing. The artwork is great....have they used the same guy previously? Sorry if it has been mentioned before :angel:
Well, the style of the art is definitely reminiscent of Silver Linings, I suspect it's the same guy.
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I just heard the track and saw the artwork for the first time today. Like the track, but very glad the DT sound is still there.....I forgot how much I missed JP! He is amazing. The artwork is great....have they used the same guy previously? Sorry if it has been mentioned before :angel:
Well, the style of the art is definitely reminiscent of Silver Linings, I suspect it's the same guy.
It was confirmed by JR that it is indeed Hugh Syme, who did the artwork for the previous 3 albums
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Gotta say, I'm not really digging the artwork. Love the song however. Artwork looks rather cheezy imho. I truly hope that the actual album cover is different.
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Gotta say, I'm not really digging the artwork. Love the song however. Artwork looks rather cheezy imho. I truly hope that the actual album cover is different.
it wont be.
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Yeah I agree about the album art. Really wish they went with someone new. Random shit photo shopped together is completely played out as an artistic style. I like the color scheme to the album, but not the overall style its presented in. It really has nothing to do with anything.
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It really has nothing to do with anything.
Well, we don't know that for sure until we hear the album. When the cover art for BC&SL came out, everyone thought it was freaking weird because it was a hodge-podge of images thrown together, and without the songs' lyrics for meaning, no one knew what any of it meant, except for some connection to the album title itself.
And with SC, the ants made no sense and to this day, still do not make any sense to me. What do the ants have to do with anything? Maybe nothing, but it's kind of cool and they're all over the liner art as well, which is pretty neat. I think what Huge has done for the album art (cover AND booklet) for Dream Theater's last 3 albums has been pretty good, despite it's (apparent) meaninglessness, but once we get to see the whole booklet for ADTOE and hear the songs, all the art might make more sense to us.
-Marc.
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The SC ants are so clear to the meaning of the album. That was one of their better conceptual designs, along with 8V. Have you ever seen ants and how they work as a colony? It is systematic chaos. From the outside things look nuts cause there are so many of them, but on their level everything is completely organized and has reason and order.
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The SC ants are so clear to the meaning of the album. That was one of their better conceptual designs, along with 8V. Have you ever seen ants and how they work as a colony? It is systematic chaos. From the outside things look nuts cause there are so many of them, but on their level everything is completely organized and has reason and order.
Just what I wanted to write :tup
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The SC ants are so clear to the meaning of the album. That was one of their better conceptual designs, along with 8V. Have you ever seen ants and how they work as a colony? It is systematic chaos. From the outside things look nuts cause there are so many of them, but on their level everything is completely organized and has reason and order.
Plus, there is a series of overpasses at this one spot on my commute that looks a lot like the album cover, which always makes me want to pop in SC and listen.
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I really dig this song. I probably have listened 20+ times now and it just a has different vibe to me, but is still dream theater. Jordan's keyboard sounds are awesome now and like many others have stated this doesn't feel like a 9 minute song at all. September really is too far away now. Hopefully were blown away
And yet... Two months... To little months. Remember on January 3rd, when JP said, "We're going into the studio today to record a new album"? That was like, "Oh man... Still so long until the next album."
Good perspective. We only need to wait a third of that period. Damn.
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The SC ants are so clear to the meaning of the album. That was one of their better conceptual designs, along with 8V. Have you ever seen ants and how they work as a colony? It is systematic chaos. From the outside things look nuts cause there are so many of them, but on their level everything is completely organized and has reason and order.
Plus, there is a series of overpasses at this one spot on my commute that looks a lot like the album cover, which always makes me want to pop in SC and listen.
Cool :tup I have a view from my window like Octavarium cover ;) but there are some buildings ;)
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That would be cool. Giant metal balls on strings right outside my window.
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Oh yeah!? Well I have... Umm... Ants...
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My neighbour frequently rides on his unicycle on a rope leading into infinity.
Beat that!
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I have various images and words on my wall, which I stare at while awake.
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Well... My face is made up of a collage of 1920's style photographs.
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During a storm I look the black clouds and silver linings and develop a train of thought.
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I sat in this red chair yesterday listening to some old radio I found, and some bird fucking pooped right above me, it almost hit me I got away and it just missed me.
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Sometimes I like to sit on a platform in the middle of the ocean and stare through the binoculars at another man about four feet away, staring right back at me.
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Sometimes I like to sit on a platform in the middle of the ocean and stare through the binoculars at another man about four feet away, staring right back at me.
Me too. In fact, I am right now.
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Sometimes me and the girl get kinky and I like to be branded.
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I make a lot of threads.
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I like little boys on the beach.... No wait... That's not right...
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OK, bring it back onto topic.
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I like little boys on the beach.... No wait... That's not right...
Ahhhhhh hahahahaha. This honestly made my day, good work!
On topic, OTBOA is certainly getting better with each listen. I went from loving it to hating it, to being dissapointed, to thinking its ok, to great and now think its brilliant.
Does anyone else think after listening to OTBOA, TOT -> BCSL doesnt seem as bad as everyone made them out to be?
I put in TOT album and then TCOT in straight after listening to OTBOA and all I thought was 'wow' which i never had that reaction before.
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I think it's good now, but nowhere near as good as when I first heard it. Which is a shame, but... it feels very formulaic. I don't like how there's basically no new vocal melody after the chorus, and no new lyrics after the second pre-chorus.
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Does anyone else think after listening to OTBOA, TOT -> BCSL doesnt seem as bad as everyone made them out to be?
"Everyone" didn't make them out to be bad.
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On topic, OTBOA is certainly getting better with each listen. I went from loving it to hating it, to being dissapointed, to thinking its ok, to great and now think its brilliant.
Are you on medication?
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I went from loving it to hating it, to being dissapointed, to thinking its ok, to great and now think its brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uoL2ApVb3w&feature=player_detailpage#t=48s
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I went from loving it to hating it, to being dissapointed, to thinking its ok, to great and now think its brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uoL2ApVb3w&feature=player_detailpage#t=48s
:lol :lol That's good ;)
Anyway, I was thinking about a similarity od OTBOA to PMU... what would it be, if every track was a copy of tracks from I&W... :) You know, Build Me Up Bring Me Down similar to Another Day etc... :)
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I went from loving it to hating it, to being dissapointed, to thinking its ok, to great and now think its brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uoL2ApVb3w&feature=player_detailpage#t=48s
:lol :lol That's good ;)
Anyway, I was thinking about a similarity od OTBOA to PMU... what would it be, if every track was a copy of tracks from I&W... :) You know, Build Me Up Bring Me Down similar to Another Day etc... :)
That would work, and then The Shaman's Trance can be the ridiculously insane additional track.
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Nah, I'd prefer originality as much as possible.
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Nah, I'd prefer originality as much as possible.
Same here, it would just be funny if there were some unintentional coincidences that related each track to one on I&W (ex. how OTBOA and PMU have a very similar song structure, etc.).
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Nah, I'd prefer originality as much as possible.
Same here, it would just be funny if there were some unintentional coincidences that related each track to one on I&W (ex. how OTBOA and PMU have a very similar song structure, etc.).
People will find the way to relate every song to I&W even if they're completely different.
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You don't see the Raw Dog/Wait For Sleep connection? :\
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You don't see the Raw Dog/Wait For Sleep connection? :\
You sir, are a genius. :hefdaddy
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Nah, I'd prefer originality as much as possible.
Same here, it would just be funny if there were some unintentional coincidences that related each track to one on I&W (ex. how OTBOA and PMU have a very similar song structure, etc.).
People will find the way to relate every song to I&W even if they're completely different.
Yeas, that is true :) Anyway, You have to admit that OTBOA and PMU are similar, song structure, some parts even too ;) It stroke me with first listen.
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This song is such a massive grower :tup
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Absolutely. I can't get it out of my head... not that I want to.
As time passes and I'm getting more acquainted with the song, it strikes me more and more sad.
Quite unlike other sad DT songs (e.g. Disappear) though.
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I decided to retire the song until the album comes out. I'm rationing my entire DT discography, so I'll only be listening to each song once, until the release of the new album.
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yea im also giving the song a break. i totally skipped AROP when i got my BCSL cd in the mail
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Well, after MP quit, I stopped listening to DT for a while. Then after a couple of months, they've never sounded better.
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mfw I first heard OTBOA :
(https://i54.tinypic.com/25t8fgo.jpg)
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yea im also giving the song a break. i totally skipped AROP when i got my BCSL cd in the mail
Yeah, I didn't skip A Rite of Passage right away but after a few listens I started to because I'd overplayed it before. I'd really rather that not happen with On the Backs of Angels.
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mfw I first heard OTBOA :
(https://i54.tinypic.com/25t8fgo.jpg)
Haha. Win.
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Yeah, I didn't skip A Rite of Passage right away but after a few listens I started to because I'd overplayed it before. I'd really rather that not happen with On the Backs of Angels.
But then again, OTBOA is a much more dynamic, musical type of tune. Words can't really describe the difference between these two tunes.
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mfw I first heard OTBOA :
(https://i54.tinypic.com/25t8fgo.jpg)
:rollin :rollin
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So I've been wanting to come back here and apologize to the song OTBOA. I pretty much said it sucked but I absolutely love the song now. Its become one of my favorite DT songs. I have this feeling that the new album might be DT's best album since Awake. I can't wait to hear it.
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So I've been wanting to come back here and apologize to the song OTBOA. I pretty much said it sucked but I absolutely love the song now. Its become one of my favorite DT songs. I have this feeling that the new album might be DT's best album since Awake. I can'twait to hear it.
Yep, we told you. lol.
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^I've been saying that since I first thought of my theory, and its in my thread about that.
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For now, I am intentionally not listening to the song really at all, as I don't want to burn out on it before hearing the rest of the album. It is still on my iPod for when I work out, so if it pops up randomly, I'll listen then (and it seems to be popping up every few days), but if not, I won't be listening to it much. Fortunately, there has been a crapload of great music that's already came out this year to keep my fat and sassy until then. :metal
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I listened to it about 3-4 times when it was first released, but haven't since. I really liked it, but I'm gonna abstain from running it into the ground 'til the album comes out.
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Why do we still have two months to go!?!?!!??!? :zeltar:
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Why do we still have two months to go!?!?!!??!? :zeltar:
Well, look at it this way, it's 2 months until the actual album comes out. But there's still plenty of exciting news to come between now and the album. Like DT's North American tour schedule. And the actual album itself, which we still don't know how many different types of editions it's gonna come in, I'm really hoping they'll pull a Silver Linings with this, and make like, an ultra deluxe edition for the hardcore fans.
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I just want to know the freakin't track lengths already.
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i would be fine with no track lengths released before. go in unknown, and no one can complain if theres an epic etc.
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I like track lengths, I don't know why but it's something I really find interesting.
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I don't care about the track lengths, I just want to know what they are when I'm actually listening to the album, so that I know what to hype myself up for. I don't wanna be like, "Alright, this sounds like a long, drawn out epic," and brace myself for an adventure, then have it be over in 6 minutes, or vice versa.
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so whats everyones verdict so far?
I listened to the song again today after having not listened for a week.
I still love it. If not more.
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so whats everyones verdict so far?
I listened to the song again today after having not listened for a week.
I still love it. If not more.
The same here. I listened to it about 30 times when it want on the internet. Then I stopped and listen to it once in a while : it's as good as before, if not more.
B.Lee
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Can't wait to hear it again, but I'm not gonna until the album comes out.
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The weird thing is, the song still feels fresh to me. I've listened to it a bazillion times. By all rights it should be stale and boring to me by now. But every time I listen to it again, it still feels exciting.
Maybe it's just that this is my first time anxiously awaiting a new DT album, I don't know. But the song has not faded at all for me, despite overexposure to it.
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Well, look at it this way, it's 2 months until the actual album comes out. But there's still plenty of exciting news to come between now and the album. Like DT's North American tour schedule. And the actual album itself, which we still don't know how many different types of editions it's gonna come in, I'm really hoping they'll pull a Silver Linings with this, and make like, an ultra deluxe edition for the hardcore fans.
a limited edition that contains a lock of JLB's hair???
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a limited edition that contains a lock of JLB's hair???
That's the stuff. My lock is going up on the wall above my bed.
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Well, look at it this way, it's 2 months until the actual album comes out. But there's still plenty of exciting news to come between now and the album. Like DT's North American tour schedule. And the actual album itself, which we still don't know how many different types of editions it's gonna come in, I'm really hoping they'll pull a Silver Linings with this, and make like, an ultra deluxe edition for the hardcore fans.
a limited edition that contains a lock of JLB's hair???
Pain of Salvation already covered human hair as a bonus track.
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a limited edition that contains a lock of JLB's hair???
That's the stuff. My lock is going up on the wall above my bed.
I'm gonna tie a rope around mine and wear it as a necklace.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if you were to compare OTBOA's opening arpeggios to TGP's opening arpeggios, the former wins. It gets me all pumped for the rest of the song (and album). Sure, TGP's arpeggios are beloved by fans, but I betcha that in 5 years time, OTBOA's intro will be the preferred set of arpeggios that kicked off their respective albums.
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What arpeggios?
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What arpeggios?
The clean guitar arpeggios that begin the song.
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But they aren't arpeggios.
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Some of it is arpeggiated chords.
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But they aren't arpeggios.
The guitar that comes in at 0:15 is most definitely an arpeggio.
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But they aren't arpeggios.
The guitar that comes in at 0:15 is most definitely an arpeggio.
Indeed they are, however they aren't in the least bit similar to TGP solo arps, so I have no idea why they're being compared.
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I don't either.
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The guitar that comes in at 0:15 is most definitely an arpeggio.
Well there are some broken chords in that lick, but it didn't think arpeggios were the main idea of the those phrases.
My mistake then.
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The guitar that comes in at 0:15 is most definitely an arpeggio.
Well there are some broken chords in that lick, but it didn't think arpeggios were the main idea of the those phrases.
My mistake then.
Arpeggio=broken chord
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That's what he said.
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My bad. I guess acoustic guitar section would make more sense than arpeggios. The reason why I compared them because they open up their respective albums similarly - an acoustic guitar section paving the way for the heaviness.
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@nikatapi. "On the Backs of Angels" from Dream Theater is released August 9. Order deluxe now to for auto-delivery that day.
Cant wait for a good quality mp3 or even better lossless format!
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@nikatapi. "On the Backs of Angels" from Dream Theater is released August 9. Order deluxe now to for auto-delivery that day.
Cant wait for a good quality mp3 or even better lossless format!
Wait, do they mean the single?
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Ι guess... My question was about when we could expect the song to be available for download in a good quality format.
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That song is seriously incredible. I've been listening to it for so many times and I still LOVE it. It also rocked live.
a limited edition that contains a lock of JLB's hair???
That's the stuff. My lock is going up on the wall above my bed.
I'm gonna tie a rope around mine and wear it as a necklace.
I'm just gonna bury it, have a funeral and scream "WHY?! WHY DID JAMES CUT YOU OFF?! :'("
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I just listened to the song in Dream Theater's official youtube channel and it sounds a lot better to me. Don't know if its just me, since I haven't listened to the song in a while.
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I just listened to the song in Dream Theater's official youtube channel and it sounds a lot better to me. Don't know if its just me, since I haven't listened to the song in a while.
It really sounds better here, not only for You. Especially bass!! :metal
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I just listened to the song in Dream Theater's official youtube channel and it sounds a lot better to me. Don't know if its just me, since I haven't listened to the song in a while.
It really sounds better here, not only for You. Especially bass!! :metal
I can actually hear the keys good. It makes me love this song even more.
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Caught myself singing it at work today! :facepalm:
Five more listens, then I promise I'll put it away till September.
:rollin :rollin Who the hell am I kidding? 500 more listens!
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My bad. I guess acoustic guitar section would make more sense than arpeggios. The reason why I compared them because they open up their respective albums similarly - an acoustic guitar section paving the way for the heaviness.
Wait, you're comparing the intro of The Glass Prison to On The Backs of Angels...and acoustic guitar is being mentioned. There is no acoustic guitar anywhere near TGP.
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My bad. I guess acoustic guitar section would make more sense than arpeggios. The reason why I compared them because they open up their respective albums similarly - an acoustic guitar section paving the way for the heaviness.
Wait, you're comparing the intro of The Glass Prison to On The Backs of Angels...and acoustic guitar is being mentioned. There is no acoustic guitar anywhere near TGP.
Oh crikey, aye. I do kind of "get" how it could be mistaken for acoustic guitar, p'raps... but yeah, TGP intro is bass.
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953,220 plays!
I would like to be the millionth listen. That would be cool.
Still sounds amazing to me. Really looking forward to the whole album.
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I just listened to the song in Dream Theater's official youtube channel and it sounds a lot better to me. Don't know if its just me, since I haven't listened to the song in a while.
It really sounds better here, not only for You. Especially bass!! :metal
I can actually hear the keys good. It makes me love this song even more.
Indeed. The quality is considerably better. The sound is much more full and clear :)
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Yeah the DT Youtube version sounds WAAAAAY better. The RR version was off putting a bit and I couldn't appreciate the song fully.
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As far as I can tell, it is slightly better, but more sound is still coming through the right channel than the left. I wonder why that is?
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As far as I can tell, it is slightly better, but more sound is still coming through the right channel than the left. I wonder why that is?
Didn't notice that on my part. Maybe your panning settings are off?
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Here's roughly the harmonic path On the Backs of Angels go;
0:00-3:55 Em
3:56-4:23 Am
4:23-5:22 Em
5:23-5:50 Am
5:51-6:56 Em
6:57-7:48 Am
7:49-8:35 Em
I would expect it to be a little bit more colorful, or maybe they did this on purpose to have a cold feeling overall?
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As far as I can tell, it is slightly better, but more sound is still coming through the right channel than the left. I wonder why that is?
Didn't notice that on my part. Maybe your panning settings are off?
Nope, my pan is set directly in the middle.
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I just listened to the song in Dream Theater's official youtube channel and it sounds a lot better to me. Don't know if its just me, since I haven't listened to the song in a while.
WOW. It's seriously much much better. Every instrument is clearer and sits better in the overall mix.
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I'll tell you what I like the most about this song: the instrumentals don't sound like wankery. I've gotten so used to those guitar-keyboard tradeoffs, and maybe they're actually in there, but I don't notice them if they are because they don't sound the way they have for the last four albums.
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I'll tell you what I like the most about this song: the instrumentals don't sound like wankery. I've gotten so used to those guitar-keyboard tradeoffs, and maybe they're actually in there, but I don't notice them if they are because they don't sound the way they have for the last four albums.
That's definitely a very nice change, I agree. But still, I think that there will still be at least two or three songs on the album who feature the trade-off sections; however, if they aren't as samey as they were on the last few albums, it will be definitely a big step up.
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I'll tell you what I like the most about this song: the instrumentals don't sound like wankery. I've gotten so used to those guitar-keyboard tradeoffs, and maybe they're actually in there, but I don't notice them if they are because they don't sound the way they have for the last four albums.
I completely agree. Nothing sounds like it's there just for the sake of being there.
-J
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I'll tell you what I like the most about this song: the instrumentals don't sound like wankery. I've gotten so used to those guitar-keyboard tradeoffs, and maybe they're actually in there, but I don't notice them if they are because they don't sound the way they have for the last four albums.
That's definitely a very nice change, I agree. But still, I think that there will still be at least two or three songs on the album who feature the trade-off sections; however, if they aren't as samey as they were on the last few albums, it will be definitely a big step up.
Maybe there will be, I don't know, but I think every album since ToT has had at least one in the first song, haven't they?
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ITPOE Pt.1 didn't have it, but I can see what you mean. Let's just hope that OTBOA sets the tone/mood for the whole album regarding this whole structural thing.
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ITPOE Pt.1 didn't have it, but I can see what you mean. Let's just hope that OTBOA sets the tone/mood for the whole album regarding this whole structural thing.
Yeah, just the point that I have to go listen to the song now to check ought to prove my point. :lol
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I'm starting to feel like this is their best song in a decade. Yes, I'm very sure it is.
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I'm starting to feel like this is their best song in a decade. Yes, I'm very sure it is.
I think you're forgetting that the decade includes songs like Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, and all of the songs in the 12-Step Suite.
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I'm starting to feel like this is their best song in a decade. Yes, I'm very sure it is.
I think you're forgetting that the decade includes songs like Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, and all of the songs in the 12-Step Suite.
Sorry but no, I didn't forget about any of those.
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While I don't think it's their best song in a decade, it's certainly one of their better songs.
And it's easily their best single since Pull Me Under.
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Definitely the best start to an album since Pull Me Under.
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I'm starting to feel like this is their best song in a decade. Yes, I'm very sure it is.
Good for you.
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And the last five minutes or so of ItPoE pt. 2. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'm liking OTBOA more and more. That new mix is killer. Definitely a Top 10 song from the last 4 albums.
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I'll tell you what I like the most about this song: the instrumentals don't sound like wankery. I've gotten so used to those guitar-keyboard tradeoffs, and maybe they're actually in there, but I don't notice them if they are because they don't sound the way they have for the last four albums.
That's definitely a very nice change, I agree. But still, I think that there will still be at least two or three songs on the album who feature the trade-off sections; however, if they aren't as samey as they were on the last few albums, it will be definitely a big step up.
I'm so bored of this complaint. BC&SL only had two trade-off sections, so the fact that OTBOA doesn't have one is not remotely surprising or shocking.
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Maybe it was only a couple, but the minute I hear one on a new album I just go, "Oh come on, not this shit again." It's like a way overused joke; just plain annoying now.
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But there's always been some use of it on DT albums, why would it suddenly start annoying you? ???
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and luckily JP wasnt too fond of it either during the BC&SL writing sessions. its in one of the studio vids on youtube
JP liked how in UAGM him and kev had seperate solo sections, instead of soloing over the same riff. (him and MP were arguing over the AROP solo sections)
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I'm so bored of this complaint. BC&SL only had two trade-off sections,
Two trade-off sections out of six tracks, meaning one trade-off solo every three tracks. Compared to DT's other most recent albums:
BCSL - 1:3
SC - 1:4
8vm - 1:4
ToT - 1:2.33
6DOIT - 1:7
SFaM - 1:6
So, relatively speaking, BCSL had quite a few trade off solos.
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I mean it always kinda did, but at the time I became a fan 8vm had just been released, so I figured lightning don't strike in the same place twice, right? So I was able to tolerate it in TROAE for instance. Then Constant Motion came out. While that tradeoff wasn't really that bad (and I have to admit it does kinda add to the oomph of the song in a good way), I did get this feeling like, "And there goes Spongebob! ...Ripping his pants...again." Know what I mean?
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I mean it always kinda did, but at the time I became a fan 8vm had just been released, so I figured lightning don't strike in the same place twice, right? So I was able to tolerate it in TROAE for instance. Then Constant Motion came out. While that tradeoff wasn't really that bad (and I have to admit it does kinda add to the oomph of the song in a good way), I did get this feeling like, "And there goes Spongebob! ...Ripping his pants...again." Know what I mean?
I just want to know if it's good. I like the keyboard > guitar pass off in TMOLS for example. Same with TROAE.
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I'd like to add that the CM section is the only instance I enjoy listening to, and probably more for the effect it adds to the song rather than on its own merit.
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I'd like to add that the CM section is the only instance I enjoy listening to, and probably more for the effect it adds to the song rather than on its own merit.
I think that's fair. The rush out of both of those solos is pretty cool.
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Also, call me crazy, but I don't like TMoLS.
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Also, call me crazy, but I don't like TMoLS.
A lot of people don't.
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Oh, good. :lol
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Oh, good. :lol
Well, um...
I'd have more to say except I don't get it. I see tons of great melodies, an instrumental section that actually works, two of JP's best guitar solos, very good lyrics, and one of the most powerful final acts of any DT song. Apparently a lot of people see boringness and a jarring instrumental section. Which is weird to me. One of the only DT instrumental sections I really like is one of the only ones that everyone else doesn't. Meeehhh.
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Oh, the song just depresses me is all.
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I'm so bored of this complaint. BC&SL only had two trade-off sections,
Two trade-off sections out of six tracks, meaning one trade-off solo every three tracks. Compared to DT's other most recent albums:
BCSL - 1:3
SC - 1:4
8vm - 1:4
ToT - 1:2.33
6DOIT - 1:7
SFaM - 1:6
So, relatively speaking, BCSL had quite a few trade off solos.
That's a pretty silly way to look at it considering it only goes by number of tracks and ignores song lengths. A better way to look at it is two trade-offs out of 75ish minutes, same as SC, Octavarium, ToT and SFAM.
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That's a pretty silly way to look at it considering it only goes by number of tracks and ignores song lengths. A better way to look at it is two trade-offs out of 75ish minutes, same as SC, Octavarium, ToT and SFAM.
I'm more interested in songs than albums though for the most part. For me, if I don't like a song, I tend to avoid it. On an album like Scenes this isn't so bad, since there are twelve songs to choose from. But on an album like Black Clouds, if I don't like a song, well, all the sudden my options get pretty limited.
Also, I don't tend to take in moments in isolation. If I don't like something in a song, the whole thing suffers for me. Everything before the bad moment is leading up to it, and everything afterwards lacks punch because it's not based on something cool.
I guess what I don't understand is that in a universe where everything is subjective anyway, you're saying it rubs you the wrong way when people say there are a lot of trade-offs in BCSL, a concept you can mathematically validate. Why is your way of looking at it better?
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Actually mathematically you can't validate it, as I pointed out. I agree that it's subjective, but the mathematical fact is that there are no more trade-offs on BC&SL than on almost all their other JR-era albums. If it affects you for some other reason, fine, but the shock at OTBOA not having one makes no sense.
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Actually mathematically you can't validate it, as I pointed out. I agree that it's subjective, but the mathematical fact is that there are no more trade-offs on BC&SL than on almost all their other JR-era albums. If it affects you for some other reason, fine, but the shock at OTBOA not having one makes no sense.
Why not. I'm saying that out of all the Rudess-era albums, BCSL has a higher amount of trade-off solos per song. What's not true about that sentence? And why is it silly for me to find that relevant? It indicates that in DT's most recent songwriting they were more willing to go to that kind of solo section.
I will agree with you and say that I'm not sure why anyone would be shocked about the lack of a trade-off solo in OTBOA.
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Again, only on this board will you find people that attempt to validate their musical opinions via mathematical equations.
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Maybe it's because you're a song-listener and I'm an album-listener, but I just don't see that as a logical way to approach it at all. I don't think it's silly for you to find the concept in general to be relevant, I guess I just find the way you define it to not make much sense.
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I find Rich has approached this from a much more solid perspective, scientifically, and while what Reapsta said is certainly true he has intentionally set up his experiment to come up with the desired results.
I mean look at it this way, I might say that album A has two amazing tracks, and album B has three amazing tracks. However if all songs on album A are 20 minutes long, and all songs on album B are 5 minutes long then there is an issue. I am misrepresenting my overall feelings on the album by simplifying the process and qualities I am using to judge them by. While it's true that both albums have two amazing tracks, but ignoring other factors I am making it seem like I enjoy them equally, when it is obvious I'd actually enjoy album A more.
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Well...
you smell like poo.
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Well...
you smell like poo.
Personal attack, bant.
But yeah, Nick's first sentence is kinda my feeling as well. Sure you COULD define it that way, and conveniently it leads to results that support your argument, but there's no real logical reason to define it that way.
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What was wrong with the rest of my post muffin?
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The only trade off solo section I didn't like was in ANTR. JPs solo did nothing for me and JRs moreso because most of it was random noise rather than good shred melody. I wouldn't consider AROP to really be a trade off since they both just have 1 long solo spot. A trade off to me is JP, JR, JP, JR, and while in both Symphony X and DT it was getting old, at least the solos were still enjoyable. It wasn't until ANTR that I thought it was time to stop the trade offs. The Glass Prison has my favorite trade offs. The was before the crazy wackido JR stuff though.
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The Glass Prison has my favorite trade offs.
Definitely this. There is something really amazing about it, the way that guitar and synth seem to respond to and complement each other. Just great.
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Oh, good. :lol
Well, um...
I'd have more to say except I don't get it. I see tons of great melodies, an instrumental section that actually works, two of JP's best guitar solos, very good lyrics, and one of the most powerful final acts of any DT song. Apparently a lot of people see boringness and a jarring instrumental section. Which is weird to me. One of the only DT instrumental sections I really like is one of the only ones that everyone else doesn't. Meeehhh.
I think every part of the song is great except the solo section, it just feels so out of place.
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What was wrong with the rest of my post muffin?
Nothing, it was just detail. I focussed on the key point being made. :heart
The only trade off solo section I didn't like was in ANTR. JPs solo did nothing for me and JRs moreso because most of it was random noise rather than good shred melody. I wouldn't consider AROP to really be a trade off since they both just have 1 long solo spot. A trade off to me is JP, JR, JP, JR, and while in both Symphony X and DT it was getting old, at least the solos were still enjoyable. It wasn't until ANTR that I thought it was time to stop the trade offs. The Glass Prison has my favorite trade offs. The was before the crazy wackido JR stuff though.
I've never felt that they have to stop because I think they're a part of DT's music and I enjoy them immensely, but yeah I definitely agree that the ANTR one isn't particularly good. Neither of them play very interesting solos in it.
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What was wrong with the rest of my post muffin?
Nothing, it was just detail. I focussed on the key point being made. :heart
The only trade off solo section I didn't like was in ANTR. JPs solo did nothing for me and JRs moreso because most of it was random noise rather than good shred melody. I wouldn't consider AROP to really be a trade off since they both just have 1 long solo spot. A trade off to me is JP, JR, JP, JR, and while in both Symphony X and DT it was getting old, at least the solos were still enjoyable. It wasn't until ANTR that I thought it was time to stop the trade offs. The Glass Prison has my favorite trade offs. The was before the crazy wackido JR stuff though.
I've never felt that they have to stop because I think they're a part of DT's music and I enjoy them immensely, but yeah I definitely agree that the ANTR one isn't particularly good. Neither of them play very interesting solos in it.
Well I only feel that they need to stop if they aren't even going to try. The solos in ANTR were totally out of place and unnecessary though (something I usually don't say about DT's instrumental sections) especially after the section before it, and considering that song is kind of a mess to begin with, maybe they just didn't know where to take it, and just thought, "hmm let's put some solos here".
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Oh, good. :lol
Well, um...
I'd have more to say except I don't get it. I see tons of great melodies, an instrumental section that actually works, two of JP's best guitar solos, very good lyrics, and one of the most powerful final acts of any DT song.
Lol no. Metropolis does pretty much all of what you said but it does it right and perfectly, my man.
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The solos in ANTR were totally out of place and unnecessary though (something I usually don't say about DT's instrumental sections) especially after the section before it, and considering that song is kind of a mess to begin with, maybe they just didn't know where to take it, and just thought, "hmm let's put some solos here".
Huh?
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I'd bet good money Zook is dead on with that assumption.
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The solos in ANTR were totally out of place and unnecessary though (something I usually don't say about DT's instrumental sections) especially after the section before it, and considering that song is kind of a mess to begin with, maybe they just didn't know where to take it, and just thought, "hmm let's put some solos here".
Huh?
riveting tale, chap.
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I actually listened to ANTR a couple of weeks ago for the first time in at least a year, and "mess" is a good word to describe it. It actually baffles me how people think so highly of that song, or even think it's a good song at all.
Then again, I am THE unseasoned fan, and I like the Spice Girls.
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The solos in ANTR were totally out of place and unnecessary though (something I usually don't say about DT's instrumental sections) especially after the section before it, and considering that song is kind of a mess to begin with, maybe they just didn't know where to take it, and just thought, "hmm let's put some solos here".
Huh?
riveting tale, chap.
(https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/5.gif)
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Well I only feel that they need to stop if they aren't even going to try. The solos in ANTR were totally out of place and unnecessary though (something I usually don't say about DT's instrumental sections) especially after the section before it, and considering that song is kind of a mess to begin with, maybe they just didn't know where to take it, and just thought, "hmm let's put some solos here".
This. The transition to the instrumental section is one of the worst transitions in their whole discography IMO. It feels tacked on.
Bathing in beautiful agonyyyyyyyBAM GUITAR SOLO
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997,680
We could put it over the 1 million mark today!
Let's GO....
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^Who cares?
I like ANTR, but I agree that the solo section is out of place, and there isn't any good solos either. But parts like Beautiful Agony and everything before is really good. It's one of the few songs where I can actually visually see what the narrator is trying to portray. The car accident, the hospital room, everything. But yea, after beautiful agony the song is a mess.
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I guess I don't belong here. I get that "who cares" response too often.
See ya all around. Been fun.
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^Who cares?
I like ANTR, but I agree that the solo section is out of place, and there isn't any good solos either. But parts like Beautiful Agony and everything before is really good. It's one of the few songs where I can actually visually see what the narrator is trying to portray. The car accident, the hospital room, everything. But yea, after beautiful agony the song is a mess.
I agree, although I like the last few minutes quite a bit too. Its just that solo section that ruins it for me, even more so than MP's vocals, which I don't find that annoying.
I guess I don't belong here. I get that "who cares" response too often.
See ya all around. Been fun.
Don't worry mate, nothing is personal around here. It can be a bit intimidating at first, but stick around and you'll find its a lot less serious than it looks :)
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^Who cares?
I like ANTR, but I agree that the solo section is out of place, and there isn't any good solos either. But parts like Beautiful Agony and everything before is really good. It's one of the few songs where I can actually visually see what the narrator is trying to portray. The car accident, the hospital room, everything. But yea, after beautiful agony the song is a mess.
I agree, although I like the last few minutes quite a bit too. Its just that solo section that ruins it for me, even more so than MP's vocals, which I don't find that annoying.
I don't find them annoying either, but I listened to it yesterday, and they are just plain ridiculous.
I guess I don't belong here. I get that "who cares" response too often.
See ya all around. Been fun.
It's nothing personal, I just think that views and thumbs up and the like aren't really important at at all.
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^Who cares?
I like ANTR, but I agree that the solo section is out of place, and there isn't any good solos either. But parts like Beautiful Agony and everything before is really good. It's one of the few songs where I can actually visually see what the narrator is trying to portray. The car accident, the hospital room, everything. But yea, after beautiful agony the song is a mess.
I agree, although I like the last few minutes quite a bit too. Its just that solo section that ruins it for me, even more so than MP's vocals, which I don't find that annoying.
I don't find them annoying either, but I listened to it yesterday, and they are just plain ridiculous.
I guess I don't belong here. I get that "who cares" response too often.
See ya all around. Been fun.
It's nothing personal, I just think that views and thumbs up and the like aren't really important at at all.
Your last sentence was much nicer than your "who cares". Maybe you could have put it that way and emtee wouldn't have felt it was a personal attack.IMHO, of course.
B.Lee
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See ya all around. Been fun.
^---- Who cares? Not joking. Leave the teenage girl drama somewhere else.
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See ya all around. Been fun.
^---- Who cares? Not joking. Leave the teenage girl drama somewhere else.
Better idea: Leave posts like that somewhere else. Consider this your warning.
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I hope we can get that dude back.
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See ya all around. Been fun.
^---- Who cares? Not joking. Leave the teenage girl drama somewhere else.
I'm a 49 year old male. So your off a bit.
Just seems like being optimistic and cheerleading for the band is met with many comments I wouldn't expect at a DT board.
I'll stick around a bit longer and see how things shake out.
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Just seems like being optimistic and cheerleading for the band is met with many comments I wouldn't expect at a DT board.
its just an unfortunate part of this board. a fan forum that doesnt like fans to be too animated
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Being a prick is not being animated, or constructive or anything that anyone needs or wants on a fan forum.
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Being a prick is not being animated, or constructive or anything that anyone needs or wants on a fan forum.
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i guess i missed something. i just saw that he said:
997,680
We could put it over the 1 million mark today!
Let's GO....
which was met with
^Who cares?
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And why was that necessary?
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And why was that necessary?
He's defending emtee, not the "Who cares?" bit.
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.... I knew that.
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:lol
Anyway, I'm sure it's not just us. I've seen plenty of fan forums that made me seriously doubt that descriptor.
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Nope. The internet is a microcosm of the world. Mostly full of good people and then a few that aren't. No biggie.
Let's let the moment pass and guide this back to the music.
Peace
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I'm actually glad that On The Backs Of Angels is close to a million views. I don't really get why people would not care about that here.
Anyways, I actually like the solo section in A Nightmare To Remember, at least more than the solo section in A Rite of Passage. Though I think that On The Backs Of Angels is a big improvement, the super unrelated solo section thing has been getting a bit old for me.
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Mostly full of good people? Oh boy, allow one of us to give you a beginner's guide to the internet...
(I'm on my phone now so I can't really)
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I'm actually glad that On The Backs Of Angels is close to a million views. I don't really get why people would not care about that here.
Nor me. Although I'm not too chuffed with whatshisface, trying to speak for all of us in a fairly brazen manner.
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And why was that necessary?
I wasn't trying to be harsh. I should've explained how I felt about that and I didn't. So sorry for being an ass to that guy.
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Apology...accepted. :bosky:
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:friday:
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:D
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:djhef:
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The video has reached 1000000!
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The video has reached 1000000!
Who cares?
:D
In all seriousness though, its pretty cool that its reached the 1,000,000 mark. Does anyone remember how many AROP had a month after release? Just interested to compare :)
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So, on the average it's 33,000 listens per day. Not bad at all. :metal
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DAMMIT! Only the the low quality version reached one million views, not the one in Dream Theater's channel. I am terribly disappointed. I can now understand why Mosh didn't care, he wanted the higher quality version to reach one million views, we all misunderstood him.
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Maybe it's because the video on the RR channel got much more promotion than the one on the DT channel.
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yes that's exactly why I didn't care. :\
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Hi, hello there - been a long time since i posted here. I just wanted to relay my thoughts on the new song. I have not been a big fan of Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds & Silver Linings; too long winded and not the best song structures. Anywho is this not about those albums.
The first thing I noticed about the new song is how the keyboards in the very beginning reminds me alot of the patches Kevin Moore used. Especially in the beginning of Pull me Under, I know this probably has already been said - but I want to mention it. I think the new song is very good. First of all the lyrics doesn't stick out, but they are quite good, especially when you compare them too the lyrics written for the four last albums. People say that: finally we can hear Myung, well I've heard him pretty good in the last three albums so that's nothing new. But they are more audible than they used to be, so that is very good. Second of all I think the instruments complement eachother very well. Especially i like the way MM accentuate the other instruments when needed. I can't really grade MM as a the new Dream Theater since he seems to be close to what MP used to do. But after we've heard the whole new album it will give us more to think about. Thirdly I think the song structure are how they should be, and I don't think the song is too long winded. However we won't know how the album is going to be. But after what I have heard of this new song, the info about the new album - myung lyrics!!, song titles and song length - it all seems to be coming along very well. Just to put it like this; I haven't been this giddy about a new Dream Theater album since Six Degrees.
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1 (https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1)
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1 (https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1)
Interesting single art... Radically different from the album cover. I guess its supposed to represent "leading lambs to the slaughter".
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1 (https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1)
In b4 ASPCA criticism.
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1 (https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1)
In b4 ASPCA criticism.
No, it's ok. Zoom in and you'll see at the bottom of the cover it says "No animals were harmed during the Photoshopping of this image".
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A sniper scope on a lamb? :lol
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"Lead me like a lamb to the slaughter"
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I know, but it looks silly. Maybe if they had a herder leading lambs into a barn it would look better.
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Are singles' art usually done by the same person who does the album art? Or not necessarily? Can's say it looks very Symey
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It's Syme.
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I didn't find that lamb when I googled for stock images so I guess it's not Syme :neverusethis:
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I never thought a song that has the word ''angels'' would have a lamb on the cover. :lol
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That's a pretty terrible cover.
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That must taken all of 15 minutes to come up with and make. Jesus. :(
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Syme makes me appreciate Storm Thorgerson's principle of setting the picture up in real life so very much. He could at least have gone out for half a day and taken a picture of a lamb or something
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Did anyone complain about Alice in Chains' 3 legged dog cover? I hope so.
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Is this actually confirmed?
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I think I'm done with Hugh Syme. Loved the 8vm cover. The SC one was also really cool. Liked aspects of BCSL, but this is just weak. He's so obviously mailing it in.
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I think I'm done with Hugh Syme.
So you won't be hiring him anymore? He'll be crushed. :neverusethis:
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I think I'm done with Hugh Syme.
So you won't be hiring him anymore? He'll be crushed. :neverusethis:
Heh.
I just mean that I'd hope DT doesn't hire him again.
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I think I'm done with Hugh Syme.
So you won't be hiring him anymore? He'll be crushed. :neverusethis:
Heh.
I just mean that I'd hope DT doesn't hire him again.
Yeah, I know. The wording just got me. :lol
I didn't like the BCASL cover art that much, and I like this new one the least of his covers, so I'd be interested to see someone else's take on it in future, although I still feel he does a good job of the package as a whole including the booklet art.
Since a lot of my DT work is making videos out of those other images, I take note of those more than just the cover itself. And for the last two albums, I feel the cover itself is among the weaker of the work he does for each album, while some of the inside art is much better, so I'd be happy for him to stay on, but I think more importance needs to be placed on the cover image in future. That's the make or break image.
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If thats the real art, then its baaaaaad...
Some of the stuff Steve done look way better and more fitting. Too much red on this.
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The only DT cover art I think is good are 8VM and ToT, the rest are pretty bad IMO.
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If thats the real art, then its baaaaaad...
Some of the stuff Steve done look way better and more fitting. Too much red on this.
True. Can STEVETHEATER be the new DT cover artist?
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
It's lazy and not the quality of product I think DT deserves to have made for them. If they like it, then great. But I mean come on, really?
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
It's lazy and not the quality of product I think DT deserves to have made for them. If they like it, then great. But I mean come on, really?
but in the grand scheme of things, this is gonna be an itunes cover. so not a big deal. if a dramatic turn of events was a sheep in crosshairs, we would then have a problem
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
It's lazy and not the quality of product I think DT deserves to have made for them. If they like it, then great. But I mean come on, really?
I think the point is more that this is just for a digital only(?) single. Album cover I can understand, because it represents the entire album product. Does it really matter for a single cover?
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
It's lazy and not the quality of product I think DT deserves to have made for them. If they like it, then great. But I mean come on, really?
I think the point is more that this is just for a digital only(?) single. Album cover I can understand, because it represents the entire album product. Does it really matter for a single cover?
I know what you guys are saying, but when it's something I could make in 15 minutes using MSPaint, at some point I have to ask how low can was possibly go here.
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i understand not liking the album cover, but i dont think a single cover is worth getting worked up over
It's lazy and not the quality of product I think DT deserves to have made for them. If they like it, then great. But I mean come on, really?
I think the point is more that this is just for a digital only(?) single. Album cover I can understand, because it represents the entire album product. Does it really matter for a single cover?
I know what you guys are saying, but when it's something I could make in 15 minutes using MSPaint, at some point I have to ask how low can was possibly go here.
I get your point, and I'm not disagreeing about the quality of the particular image. But for me personally, the cover for a downloadable single is something I couldn't care less about. Complaints about the cover I can understand, because it's a prominent part of the final product. But for this, I'm just going to say "meh" and move along. But I get what you're saying. It's still something that has been chosen to represent the band, and should be taken seriously.
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If thats the real art, then its baaaaaad...
Some of the stuff Steve done look way better and more fitting. Too much red on this.
True. Can STEVETHEATER be the new DT cover artist?
I would be very happy with that :)
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What the hell.
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At least it's not a lamb on a unicycle.
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At least it's not a lamb on a unicycle.
I would have loved that. Honestly.
Looking at Syme's portfolio, it's not even so far-fetched. He's done lots of crazy stuff.
Petrucci on a unicycle would've been nice too:
(https://us.cdn3.123rf.com/168nwm/igorgolovniov/igorgolovniov0909/igorgolovniov090900197/5514945-a-stamp-printed-in-mongolia-shows-bear-on-the-unicycle-in-the-circus-one-stamp-from-series-circa-197.jpg)
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(https://us.cdn3.123rf.com/168nwm/igorgolovniov/igorgolovniov0909/igorgolovniov090900197/5514945-a-stamp-printed-in-mongolia-shows-bear-on-the-unicycle-in-the-circus-one-stamp-from-series-circa-197.jpg)
There's a lot of Petruccis on unicycles, see:
https://rutube.ru/tracks/2480734.html (https://rutube.ru/tracks/2480734.html)
(my joke would have been better if the video was shorter...)
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After some burn-in, On the Backs of Angels:
Music: 8/10
Lyrics: 6/10
James: 5/10 (thank the lyrics for it, I suppose...he's just not interesting on this)
Digging it, but not enough to preorder the box set. Anyone else get the same "mood" or "sound" they've had post-Octavarium?
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I don't know, it sounds different to me. I can't put my finger on it though. I love the new sound it has, but it just feels like they haven't done a song like this in awhile. Although that single cover...
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Have you guys seen this yet?
https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1 (https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311829597&sr=301-1)
In b4 ASPCA criticism.
No, it's ok. Zoom in and you'll see at the bottom of the cover it says "No animals were harmed during the Photoshopping of this image".
Oh, Ewe!
I must sheepishly admit to liking the art. Ewe herd me: I like it. I hope I don't have to go on the lamb after this.
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I'm a fan of the color scheme. I really like the gold-ish text on the all red picture. I think it fits the atmosphere of the song for sure.
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I think it fits the atmosphere of the song for sure.
Personally I thought the song was much more colorful. But like others said, it's no biggie, a cover of a digital single --> meh category
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Digging it, but not enough to preorder the box set. Anyone else get the same "mood" or "sound" they've had post-Octavarium?
The song has cool keyboard sounds, it doesn't have the same riff over and over again, and it doesn't have a completely unrelated weird orgasmic solo section. I think that's enough to consider it different from anything post-Octavarium. The song just doesn't feel like Dream Theater's recent work to me.
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i'm still listening to this song from time to time, and it hasn't worn thin for me at all!
it's awesome!
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It gives off a 6DOIT vibe. Almost what should've come after it.
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If thats the real art, then its baaaaaad...
Some of the stuff Steve done look way better and more fitting. Too much red on this.
True. Can STEVETHEATER be the new DT cover artist?
He does good work but I'd really want to move away from that Syme style completely.
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Is that cover for OTBOA is confirmed (that one with the lamb) or it's only taken from amazon.com? because it's weird IMO ;)
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first time listening in a couple weeks. still good
i cant understand how people thought the drums werent loud when it first came out. im listening to it on the original RR video through cheap computer speakers and MM is perfectly audible
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That OTBOA cover is Bad.
But then again, who cares.
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You guys are too picky. There's really nothing wrong with that single cover. It's simple but who cares? It's just a damn single cover.
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
:clap:
That was shear genius.
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
:clap:
That was shear genius.
Cut it out with the lame puns.
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(https://i51.tinypic.com/15n4lf5.jpg)
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(https://i51.tinypic.com/15n4lf5.jpg)
:lol You win the internet
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That was awesome. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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That was awesome. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
:clap:
That was shear genius.
Cut it out with the lamb puns.
Fix'd
(https://i51.tinypic.com/15n4lf5.jpg)
Gosh, I love this forum :lol.
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
:clap:
That was shear genius.
Cut it out with the lamb puns.
Fix'd
(https://i51.tinypic.com/15n4lf5.jpg)
Gosh, I love this forum :lol.
(https://www.dead4movie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/theroom.jpg)
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Petrucci hungry :rollin :rollin :tup
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That OTBOA cover is Ba-a-a-a-a-a-ad.
Fix'd for sheep humor.
:clap:
That was shear genius.
Cut it out with the lamb puns.
Fix'd
(https://i51.tinypic.com/15n4lf5.jpg)
Gosh, I love this forum :lol.
(https://www.dead4movie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/theroom.jpg)
What a story, Mark!
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You are tearing me apart, DTF!
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You are tearing me apart, DTF!
I was just waiting for this ;D.
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Has that OtBoA artwork actually been confirmed anywhere besides Amazon? I couldn't find any other news related to it, and I don't see why Amazon should be taken 100% at their word when there's random stuff like this floating around: https://www.amazon.ca/Welcome-Reality-Dream-Theater/dp/B005974CDU/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1312160537&sr=8-14 :lol
If it is the real deal though, I am disappoint :(
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Hey, Welcome Reality is down to $17.99. At this rate, I may get that instead of OTBoA.
:neverusethis:
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You are tearing me apart, DTF!
(https://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/youre-tearing-me-apart-lisa-meme.jpg)
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Hey, Welcome Reality is down to $17.99. At this rate, I may get that instead of OTBoA.
:neverusethis:
Do it, now! ;D
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Just received an email about my pre-order for the box set, it included a link to an mp3 download of On the Backs of Angels. Still has the audible click during the 'american dream' line :sad:
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Does any of those crazy numbers on the big screen during OtBoA live have anything to do with the lyrical content or is it just a cool thing? Or is the song about the Matrix?
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After a couple weeks to settle in and many repeated listens, I think this is one of DT's best songs in many years.
Absolutely fantastic. If the rest of the album is this strong it could end up being a top 3 album for me.
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Does any of those crazy numbers on the big screen during OtBoA live have anything to do with the lyrical content or is it just a cool thing? Or is the song about the Matrix?
It's about the stock market crash. There's even one image of the Wall Street road sign.
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It's about the stock market crash. There's even one image of the Wall Street road sign.
Aw... I was rooting for Matrix. But okey, stock market crash sounds good and I guess it does qualify as a dramatic turn of events so it makes sense. Reap, you pass my test of logics.
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Just got the OTBOA single emailed to me from the DT store, and the mix is soooooo good!
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Just got the OTBOA single emailed to me from the DT store, and the mix is soooooo good!
Wait, what? How did this work?
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Do you mean an actual mp3 single? If so, link please.
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I pre-ordered the deluxe edition and so they emailed me a code to redeem it off the net before the release of the single :laugh:
EDIT: The code only works once
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I pre-ordered the deluxe edition and so they emailed me a code to redeem it off the net before the release of the single :laugh:
EDIT: The code only works once
>.> Well, they announced it would be released IIRC on August 14th... Not that big of a deal, it's just a proper version of the song.
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I pre-ordered the deluxe edition and so they emailed me a code to redeem it off the net before the release of the single :laugh:
EDIT: The code only works once
>.> Well, they announced it would be released IIRC on August 14th... Not that big of a deal, it's just a proper version of the song.
Maybe not a big deal, but still worth mentioning how good the mix is when not on youtube.
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I have to disagree on the sound. The mp3 sounds a bit better than the youtube version. There's more clarity and weight to it. The downside is that is just as squashed dynamically as the youtube version. The drums get buried once the heavy riff comes and stays buried, there's no difference in volume between the verses and choruses, it lacks low end and punch, soundstage is small, there's hissing sound on vocals.... etc.
If you liked the sound of SC and BC&SL you'll probably like this as the mix IS better, but if you expect a dynamic sound you'll be disappointed.
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If you liked the sound of SC and BC&SL you'll probably like this as the mix IS better, but if you expect a dynamic sound you'll be disappointed.
And how do you know that?
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I remember I was disappointed when they released the A Rite of Passage video since it was quite... unimpressive for me (the song grew on me over time though, now I like it), but On the Back of Angels is really good. It feels like DT to the core but... clearly something new. And it was really amazing live, especially the chorus feels like intended just for playing live. I've no worries about the album now.
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If you liked the sound of SC and BC&SL you'll probably like this as the mix IS better, but if you expect a dynamic sound you'll be disappointed.
And how do you know that?
That probably sounded like I've heard the album. I haven't. That's just my opinion about the mix I got from the better quality mp3 of OTBOA. So I conclude that the rest of the album will be on the same level considering the mix and dynamics. It is now clear that the lack of dynamic range wasn't caused by youtube. The CD of course will have better resolution, but the mp3 is most likely from the same master and MP3 compression doesn't affect dynamic range. Thus it will sound squashed even on the CD. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong when the album comes out.
If you didn't have problem with the lack of dynamic range with SC and BC&SL you'll probably like the sound of the new album as the mix IMO based on OTBOA is better.
If you had a problem with the lack of dynamics on SC and BC&SL you'll probably be disappointed in the sound of the new album even if the mix is better.
That's my reasoning behind it.
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But the music will still be good despite the sound... right? *huggin my teddy bear in hope*
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I really like OTBOA and BITS teaser. The music will still be good, but it just won't have the impact that it could have. And it is harder to listen to. Killing of the dynamic range not only affects the sound quality but more importantly it kills the feel, nuances and liveliness of the music. It makes it stale. All that takes the music and my enjoyment of the music a notch down no matter how good the music is.
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I really like OTBOA and BITS teaser. The music will still be good, but it just won't have the impact that it could have. And it is harder to listen to. Killing of the dynamic range not only affects the sound quality but more importantly it kills the feel, nuances and liveliness of the music. It makes it stale. All that takes the music and my enjoyment of the music a notch down no matter how good the music is.
Thanks for giving us your impressions on the sound of the OTBOA mp3!
I wonder where exactly does this leave us with all of the comments of band members on recent interviews that keep stating how great the dynamics on the new album sound. I guess they did indeed use certain levels of compression on this album, which I perceive is a standard in modern music production. But I don't believe this automatically means we will get a 'wall of sound' on this CD, and highly doubt all this talk about "great dynamics" was just a big lie; in fact, even from what I can here from the streaming version of OTBOA sounds quite dynamic to me (first time I raised the volume quite a bit at the silent beginning, just to be blown away when the song really kicked in).
While I certainly agree that the loudness war has grown to very bad proportions recently (which also made SC sound quite flat to me), I feel it is also wrong to throw every perceived instance of compression into the same bag and label it as "killing the dynamics". I believe there are more factors involved of how dynamic the music sounds than just the fact whether compression has been used to certain degrees or not. I believe the band's decision in going back to a more melodic approach in writing music in contrast to the recent "it got BALLS!" one, JLB having his vocals recorded with a dedicated vocal producer and Andy Wallace having brought in for the mix will all have a big influence of how this album sounds compared to SC and BCASL. In any case, I will wait for the final product with my verdict.
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It sounds dynamic to me. But I'm basing that on listening to it, and not opening it up in Adobe Audition and looking at a line.
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It sounds dynamic to me. But I'm basing that on listening to it, and not opening it up in Adobe Audition and looking at a line.
Yeah seriously, the dynamics are fine, I think Groundhog probably just dislikes modern production in general.
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They're definitely better than on the last two albums, imo. And BCASL's could have been worse, I'd like to say.
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I really like OTBOA and BITS teaser. The music will still be good, but it just won't have the impact that it could have. And it is harder to listen to. Killing of the dynamic range not only affects the sound quality but more importantly it kills the feel, nuances and liveliness of the music. It makes it stale. All that takes the music and my enjoyment of the music a notch down no matter how good the music is.
Thanks for giving us your impressions on the sound of the OTBOA mp3!
I wonder where exactly does this leave us with all of the comments of band members on recent interviews that keep stating how great the dynamics on the new album sound. I guess they did indeed use certain levels of compression on this album, which I perceive is a standard in modern music production. But I don't believe this automatically means we will get a 'wall of sound' on this CD, and highly doubt all this talk about "great dynamics" was just a big lie; in fact, even from what I can here from the streaming version of OTBOA sounds quite dynamic to me (first time I raised the volume quite a bit at the silent beginning, just to be blown away when the song really kicked in).
I don't think they have exactly been talking about the sound of the album. All I've heard they say is that the mix is dynamic or that the compositions are extremely dynamic. Not once I've heard they refer to the mastering or to the actual sound of the album directly. Maybe they forgot to inform the mastering engineer. :\
SC, BC&SL and OTBOA all have similar dynamic range. SC just a tad less. So if we are going by the range of OTBOA the macrodynamics will not be better. It does sound better because of the more balanced mix so every instrument is more easily heard. The only dynamic shifts are between the intro and the start of the song and the piano break. Beside those moments the instruments are fighting for space. There is a reason why some people think that the drums are too low in the mix. IMO it has nothing to do with the mix. With that kind of dynamic range it is impossible for the drums to properly shine trough. That's why they get buried once the distorted guitars kick in.
This kind of dynamic range is just damage control. Just a couple of dBs less and we'd be closer to that of Death Magnetic. When DT is being squeezed in to a smaller space than Pantera's Fucking hostile then that's definately going for the loudness, not quality. Just think about it. The epic Count of Tuscany has smaller dynamic range than Fucking hostile which is balls to the wall throughout. That just doesn't make sense and certainly it doesn't do justice to the dynamic nature of DT's music. Actually Fucking hostile has better dynamic range than almost anything DT has put out after Awake.
It sounds dynamic to me. But I'm basing that on listening to it, and not opening it up in Adobe Audition and looking at a line.
Yeah seriously, the dynamics are fine, I think Groundhog probably just dislikes modern production in general.
Blob are you implying that I don't form my opinion based on what I hear? ::)
I do have my issues with modern production, but most of them are minor things and I can live with them. The only thing I really dislike is the lack of dynamics. Whether you hear the problem with that or not is subjective as all these comments show. But no one can deny that the dynamic range has shrunk to almost nothing during the last 20 years. That is measurable. We are at a point that we can't really go any louder. The digital format's limit 0dB can't be crossed. Death Magnetic range was 3 or 4 db. The latest DT albums 6dB and by the looks of it we can put ADTOE in to that range too.
After all this critique I thought I'd give an example about modern album that sounds great. Listen to the latest Blackfield - Welcome to my dna. Steven Wilson usually gets praise about sound quality and most of the albums he's associated with has better dynamic range than what is the norm nowadays. Coincidence? I don't think so. Oh and that Blackfield has twice the dynamic range than OTBOA. It's like they went back in time and mastered it in the early nineties.
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Stop quoting out numbers for a minute and compare it side by side to other DT albums.
From actually listening, it's more compressed than SFAM, about level with SDOIT (although it breathes a bit more imo thanks to the drier mix), it's less compressed than ToT by a lot, comparable to Octavarium (I'm comparing one song to an entire album here, so it varies), less compressed by SC by a fair bit, and less compressed than BCASL by a fair bit.
So this puts it better or at least equal to any other DT album of the past decade, to my ears.
Dynamic compression is not constantly getting worse. It's all over the board, but it's remained about level for a decade overall. And I'm sick of people mentioning Death Magnetic, as it's a false example. DM's problems go well beyond mere compression, but now it's the martyr doomsday scenario mascot for dynamic compression. I'm not saying that means modern music isn't more compressed than it really needs to be, but it's dynamic compression ffs, not global warming.
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BVD, I'm pretty sure you're my favorite poster at this forum.
And yeah, I agree, the sound is about on par with SDOIT imo, dynamic enough for me.
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It could be worse. It could be like Redemption's Snowfall on Judgement Day.
*shudders*
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I did remember that you hate quoting numbers. Sorry. :P
Ok, Blob here goes.
A fair bit less compressed than BC&SL and a fair bit less compressed than SC
Less compressed than Octavarium
Slightly less compressed than TOT
Slightly more compressed than 6DOIT
A fair bit more compressed than SFAM
Hey were practically agreeing on this. :smiley: For me it's right behind 6DOIT. Looking at it this way makes me feel better for the sound for sure.
It could be worse. It could be like Redemption's Snowfall on Judgement Day.
*shudders*
That's very much true. Even SC is better than some of the stuff that's out there.
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You guys keep talking about how things are more or less compressed, even though it's a more complicated process than that. SC for example isn't that highly compressed, but it is intensely limited. BCSL on the other hand has barely any limiting, but tons and tons of compression (on the main disc at least).
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It's 7.8.2011 in the UK and I am downloading OTBoA :D
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It could be worse. It could be like Redemption's Snowfall on Judgement Day.
*shudders*
Death Magnetic :tdwn
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You guys keep talking about how things are more or less compressed, even though it's a more complicated process than that. SC for example isn't that highly compressed, but it is intensely limited. BCSL on the other hand has barely any limiting, but tons and tons of compression (on the main disc at least).
Yes it's more complicated than that. My aim was only to draw a subjective "better" or "worse" comparison with previous Dream Theater albums.
SC's drums in particular show a lot of limiting, and some of the guitars sound very gated in CM and TDEN especially. BCASL has a fair bit of breathing room in the mix (lucky we have the stems for that), and then it's the compression that takes the range off. I can't speak for anyone else, but BCASL still sounds noticably better to me (and OTBOA sounds better than that), and that's all I'm saying. The dynamic range isn't a directly proportional indicator of how good an album sounds, even if it's an important factor.
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Can someone explain to me in very general terms what "compression" is? I still don't get it.
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Compression is an audio treatment achieved through the use of a compressor, used to compress the dynamic range for a audio signal, and can be applied to a vocal, instrument or a whole mix. Basically, it sets the lowest and the highest dB for whatever its applied to so, so that if the signal that comes through is a bit too loud, it brings it down so that the signal is within parameter the compressor is set at. Likewise, if the signal that's coming through is too quiet, the compressor with bring it up to the parameter set at the, at the low dB end. Someone correct me if I'm wrong :D
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So....compression = bad?
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No not at all, I'd say almost every record has some compression on it somewhere.
Over-compression = bad.
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So....compression = bad?
Not in itself. Compression used properly is a good thing, and can be used to even out volumes for consistency. The issue that is being discussed here is when albums use too much compression. When audio is compressed too far, it starts to sound distorted, unnatural and tiring to the ears.
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Could you give an example (like timestamps) of over-compression and good compression?
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Could you give an example (like timestamps) of over-compression and good compression?
If you want to compare heavy compression to not much compression, listen to the first 30 seconds of A Rite of Passage , taking notice of when the guitars/rest of band kicks in. Even with just bass, the track starts off loud, and when the band comes in the overall volume doesn't get that much louder, but instead everything feels squished together, like there's no "room" left. Sort of like fitting a lot of clowns into a small clown car.
Now listen to the intro to The Mirror when the whole band kicks in. As each instrument comes in, each instrument remains clear. If you're listening to these back to back in mp3 or whatever, you'll notice the overall volume of the song is much lower than AROP, because there's not a lot of compression to boost the volume. Sort of like 5 midgets just hanging out in a large room.
That's right, I just compared The Mirror to a bunch of midgets. Take that as you will.
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If you can't hear any compression, then its good compression.
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This is probably one of the better comparisons between good mixing and bad mixing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I
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That reminds me of when I listened to the Death Magnetic CD after only listening to the Guitar Hero mix..It was shocking ! It sounded like the speakers were blown ! I don't know how people can't hear the difference.
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This is probably one of the better comparisons between good mixing and bad mixing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I
That's actually pretty good.
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The dynamic range isn't a directly proportional indicator of how good an album sounds, even if it's an important factor.
I'm putting more emphasis on the dynamic range and it's affect to sound. In my opinion it has a direct relation to many aspects of the sound. Things like proper soundstage, good bass extention, puch and clarity for example. Those aspects need a proper dynamic range. I'm quoting more numbers now whether you like it or not, because it is much easier to illustrate my point and those numbers go pretty much hand in hand with what I hear. All the horrible sounding modern albums I have encountered have had dynamic range of 5dB or less. I have not heard even one album that manages to sound good within that range. So in my experience within that range it doesn't matter how the mix or production is. The quality of mix/production can only make it slightly more tolerable. The closer the range gets to 9-12dB I'm hearing better soundstage, better bass, better drums, better clarity, better everything! This is the range where the most of the best sounding albums I've heard are. So again in my experience the better the dynamic range the better it will bring out good mixing and production.
It doesn't save the sound from poor production and mixing though. You need them all.
Good example on the compression with AROP vs The Mirror. I liked the midgets and all. :laugh:
This is probably one of the better comparisons between good mixing and bad mixing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I
That's actually pretty good.
Yeah, that's a good comparison. I find DM to be one of best examples of loudness war. They just went ridiculously overboard with it.
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So is hearing a crisp hi-hat a good indication of low compression? ;D :P
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Yes, it can be.
edit: The drums (and bass) are the first to suffer when dynamics are cut.
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Step 1. Listen to Holier Than Thou from The Black Album.
Step 2. Listen to Broken Beat & Scarred from Death Magnetic
Death Magnetic is a good example of way way way way too much compression.
So much so that the overall audio is actually *distorted* and fuzzy.
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That's right, I just compared The Mirror to a bunch of midgets. Take that as you will.
I think all future descriptions of DT songs should include a metaphor with various numbers of midgets, and the size of the space they're in.
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That's right, I just compared The Mirror to a bunch of midgets. Take that as you will.
I think all future descriptions of DT songs should include a metaphor with various numbers of midgets, and the size of the space they're in.
I really like this idea.
Metropolis is 50 midgets in a batmobile going 90mph into gotham city's bank
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That's right, I just compared The Mirror to a bunch of midgets. Take that as you will.
I think all future descriptions of DT songs should include a metaphor with various numbers of midgets, and the size of the space they're in.
I really like this idea.
Metropolis is 50 midgets in a batmobile going 90mph into gotham city's bank
:lol
Please tell me that TCOT is a bunch of midgets with monocles and beards furiously dancing around a tiny stonehenge monument.
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Why DT didn't release any info about the release of the single on amazon? Sounds strange.
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Why DT didn't release any info about the release of the single on amazon? Sounds strange.
Maybe They will announce it tomorrow? ;) Hello BTW :)
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hello there. happy to be here (got a tatoto of the majesty symbol since i was 18). :P
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hello there. happy to be here (got a tatoto of the majesty symbol since i was 18). :P
Wow, nice of You ;) I was thinking about a heart from Live At The Marquee cover when I was younger ;) but, let's not OT too much ;) I'll wait for amazon now ;) In my country 9 of august will be for 2 hours... :)
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First person I knew of who had a tatoto was this girl named Dorothy. Can't remember where she got it, but I don't think it was Kansas.
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Not a huge fan of The Black Album, but it's one of the best produced albums ever.
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Reload & Garage Inc [Disc1] are colossal too.
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First person I knew of who had a tatoto was this girl named Dorothy. Can't remember where she got it, but I don't think it was Kansas.
You save comments for years, just waiting for the right opportunity. Don't you?
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Syme makes me appreciate Storm Thorgerson's principle of setting the picture up in real life so very much. He could at least have gone out for half a day and taken a picture of a lamb or something
Storm is master at creating artwork, I have a coffee tablebook of his and it's always wonderful to look at.
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It's the 9th now here in Nova Scotia, and I've officially purchased OTBoA! Feels good man.
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And I can't because I live in Poland, and amazon.com does not sell it for any ony country than US... :censored >:( >:(
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First person I knew of who had a tatoto was this girl named Dorothy. Can't remember where she got it, but I don't think it was Kansas.
You save comments for years, just waiting for the right opportunity. Don't you?
:lol
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Even if the single was available for purchase here, I wouldn't do it. I mean, it's just one more month until I can hear the whole new album, and until then, for the few times I want to hear OTBOA, I'll just stream it. *shrugs*
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Downloaded the Amazon.com version
It's interesting. Certain parts of the mixes that felt exaggerated in the two Youtube versions aren't oppressively loud, which is what happens when you don't have an extra layer of Youtube compression.
But the mix is what it is, for better or for worse. For the first time... ever, the bass is too loud for my tastes in certain parts of the song. The drum mix is definitely more pulled back too. It's not like in the Youtube version where they're inaudible or un-feelable at certain parts, but they're definitely not as dominant as before. Basic things about it confuse me though, the cymbals sound like they haven't been EQ'd at all. M?
The mastering is pretty compressed. Not destructively so like in SC (not always hugging 0db), BCSL (the music isn't robbed of its punch), or ToT (the music breathes and has a sense of size), but more than I'd like. Ah well. Think more the 6DOIT level (maybe a bit better, that album has an underestimated amount of compression on it). It could be better, but I haven't tried to listen to this song loud yet, too late at night right now.
I mean, honestly, there's a part of me that hopes this is a more tightly compressed single version and not the album version, which isn't a great thing. But if this is how the song sounds, it's not bad, and certainly better than a lot of DT's recent stuff in my mind.
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Bridges in the Sky sounded like it had a better mix. Most reviews seem to be pointing out the production as well as being noticeable
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Didn't A Rite of Passage have a more compressed, less dynamic mix than the rest of BC&SL? At least when it was released as a single?
While I'd love to have a less compressed version of OTBoA, I'm fine with the MP3 download.
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Didn't A Rite of Passage have a more compressed, less dynamic mix than the rest of BC&SL? At least when it was released as a single?
While I'd love to have a less compressed version of OTBoA, I'm fine with the MP3 download.
To my ears AROP sounds noticeably more compressed than the rest of the album. But considering OTBOA isn't as compressed compared to recent albums, I wouldn't expect the rest of the album to be any different.
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OTBOA is available in iTunes as a single. Sorry if this has been posted already. Glad they finally released it and I can ditch the YouTube version. Surprised no one in the band has tweeted this.
Canadian ITunes link: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/on-the-backs-of-angels-single/id452583074
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bass is too loud
These words appear to be in English, yet I find them utterly incomprehensible. ;)
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After letting it sink in a bit I'd have to say that the highlight of the song for me are the keyboards. JR definitely seems to have had more input into this music than before. Everything else is great but the keys have just really stood out to me. Can't wait to hear the rest of the album. :tup
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First person I knew of who had a tatoto was this girl named Dorothy. Can't remember where she got it, but I don't think it was Kansas.
You save comments for years, just waiting for the right opportunity. Don't you?
??? Doesn't everybody?
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First person I knew of who had a tatoto was this girl named Dorothy. Can't remember where she got it, but I don't think it was Kansas.
You save comments for years, just waiting for the right opportunity. Don't you?
??? Doesn't everybody?
I know I do. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to quote Slim Shady lyrics in a formal debate, and refer to it as an argumentum ad eminem.
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:lol
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bass is too loud
These words appear to be in English, yet I find them utterly incomprehensible. ;)
hahahahaha
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I'm listening to this loud... and it sounds REALLY good, which is more than I can say for any post-FII DT album.
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So is Amazon's 320 at least?
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The iTunes mp3 sounds way better than the YouTube version for any people worried. Drums sound fine in the mix.
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So is Amazon's 320 at least?
256, which sounds fine.
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So is Amazon's 320 at least?
256, which sounds fine.
Yeah, I got impatient waiting for a reply, so I just bought it. Sounds good.
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Is this mp3 available in Europe? I can't buy it from iTunes or Amazon.
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It should be. I bought it on iTunes in the UK.
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I finally figured it out, even though I think someone has already said it: OTBOA sounds like a song. It's not a hodgepodge of random and chaotic ideas thrown together in haphazard fashion (i.e. ANTR), but an actual song with a beginning, middle and end. Nothing is thrown in there; the instrumental bridges a gap, and actually serves a purpose.
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For it's "hodgepodge", I'd still take ANTR over OTBOA any day, and I really like OTBOA.
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Yeah I mean that's just my opinion, after all. Like if I had to choose between OTBOA and the Beautiful Agony section of ANTR by itself, the latter wins. But on the whole, I think OTBOA is a better song (imo), because I feel like there's a real, organized structure to it. I personally prefer an orderly song to one that does a buncha cool shit but leaves me a little in a tizzy.
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OTBOA is clearly a more concise structured song with less fat, but to me almost every section of ANTR is still amazing, despite its faults. Aside from the instrumental section onwards, I think ANTR is a perfectly constructed song, and it's still a top 10 or 20 song for me. I can forgive little things here and there if the majority of the song is still great.
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I don't really understand how anyone can complain about the lack of dynamics in OTBOA. The only quiet sections are the intro and the piano break, which are perfectly quiet. The rest of the song is pretty mono-level in terms of the music, so I wouldn't expect any massive dynamic variation, and indeed it would probably just sound annoying if there was.
I guess what I'm saying is, let's wait until we hear the rest of the album with the more varied stuff before we're actually to able to make a proper judgement.
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does someone have the hi-res artwork that they posted in itunes for otboa? looks cool!
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does someone have the hi-res artwork that they posted in itunes for otboa? looks cool!
That's what I got with the download.
(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/SteveAudrey/OntheBacksofAngels-Single.jpg)
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I don't really understand how anyone can complain about the lack of dynamics in OTBOA. The only quiet sections are the intro and the piano break, which are perfectly quiet. The rest of the song is pretty mono-level in terms of the music, so I wouldn't expect any massive dynamic variation, and indeed it would probably just sound annoying if there was.
I guess what I'm saying is, let's wait until we hear the rest of the album with the more varied stuff before we're actually to able to make a proper judgement.
It's mainly the parts with the choruses that annoy me. They don't actually sound bad, but I wish they were a touch louder overall, instead of just having quieter drums to construct the illusion of bigger dynamics. I think the album was mixed very, very well, but the mastering is a somewhat scattered mix of good and bad. I'll still take it over every other Rudess-era album though in that sense. I can't turn any of them up without hurting my ears, whereas I can crank OTBOA and rock out fully.
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does someone have the hi-res artwork that they posted in itunes for otboa? looks cool!
That's what I got with the download.
Thanks, looks really good!! i haven't been able to buy the song cause amazon keeps telling me that i'm outside the US altho my IP is from florida.
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Is this mp3 available in Europe? I can't buy it from iTunes or Amazon.
Don't worry Zydar, I have the same problem, amazon and itunes are not working in Poland...at least we get album on 9th September ;)
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After so many listens, it still sounds fresh to my ears. And at first i thought the drums were a bit low, but now i bought the single i can say the mix is quite good. I also really enjoy JR's ideas and sounds.
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I wish I'd be as easily pleased by the sound as you guys. I've been listening to it more on my stereos now instead of laptop and headphones. It is now even more clear to me that it does sound too flat. I wish that they have compressed the single more than the rest of the album.
Yes, most of the song is mono-level in terms of the music, but it doesn't mean that there isn't variation to it. There's a lot more nuances to music than just havig acoustic part quiter than the heavy part. I'm 100% sure that they have composed the song to have the chorus sound bigger with more impact than the verses, but it doesn't sound that way. Only thing that changes during the chorus is the density. There are just more midgets stuffed in to the car. Nothing happens to the volume. The chorus has been robbed from it's impact. That is because of the lack of difference between the loudest and the softest part. There are lot more monotonous songs without any soft parts out there with more dynamics than this. Because OTBOA has silent parts and loud parts it should have even bigger difference between them. The intro sounds considerably better than the loud parts because the music has room to breath there. The drums are able to hit through (above) the rest of the music. After the intro the rest of the music builds up more than drums, because there is no space for the drums to go anymore. So the rest of the music ends up almost on the same level as the loudest drum parts. As drums can't hit louder than rest of the music they lose their punch and sound buried.
Why would it sound annoying with more variance? Does I&W or Awake sound annoying?
It seems I'm alone on this, but it could sound A LOT better and it would simply take one decision to make that happen. To not use overcompression/limiting etc to make it louder than it needs to be. That is the most frustrating part of this. It could be so easily avoided.
Only part of ANTR that really graps me is the beautiful agony part. That I think is the best part of the whole album, but the other parts bring it down for me. OTBOA doesn't have a highlight like beautiful agony, but as a whole it is alot more coherent and enjoyable. There are no bad or annoying parts to it. I always need to listen to the whole song when I play it. That doesn't happen with ANTR.
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i want to point out that there is a sonic difference in the official mp3 download. i purchased it just now from the canadian apple itunes store and I noticed little fills and parts that mangini is doing that i couldn't really pick up on before. So, yes the drums are louder and overall the mix sounds tighter.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCwfgZEPtk&feature=feedf
This is great! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCwfgZEPtk&feature=feedf
This is great! :metal
These Guys are awesome, They made more covers, You can find it on YT easy :tup
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genial genial genial, saludos desde São Paulo!
i always find it hilarious when south americans do this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCwfgZEPtk&feature=feedf
This is great! :metal
These guys are pimps.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCwfgZEPtk&feature=feedf
This is great! :metal
Awesome, they've gotten new guitars, become better players and the middle guy has grown a beard. Heavy metal guys!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCwfgZEPtk&feature=feedf
This is great! :metal
That's really fucking cool!
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And it's on Spotify now too! Awesome.
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Just listened to the itunes version on my sound system.
It's the tits.
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yepp, the Itunes version sounds a bit better...more clear!!
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ITunes not selling anything in Poland, that sucks.... I cannot buy On The Backs Of Angels, amazon.com does not sell for Poland either!!! :-[
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ITunes not selling anything in Poland, that sucks.... I cannot buy On The Backs Of Angels, amazon.com does not sell for Poland either!!! :-[
Buy Spotify Premium, should be available in Poland. Then again maybe not worth it for one song.
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ITunes not selling anything in Poland, that sucks.... I cannot buy On The Backs Of Angels, amazon.com does not sell for Poland either!!! :-[
Buy Spotify Premium, should be available in Poland. Then again maybe not worth it for one song.
Poland is also one of these country for which any kind of Spotify is not available... I'm letting this go and wait for 9th September to get my real, physical album :)
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I checked and it says that it's available in Poland, not the free version though. But I guess sometimes you just can't trust Wikipedia.
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I checked and it says that it's available in Poland, not the free version though. But I guess sometimes you just can't trust Wikipedia.
Yeah, it's true but it's 10 $ for a month...too much ;) I prefer wait for an album to pay for it :)
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I checked and it says that it's available in Poland, not the free version though. But I guess sometimes you just can't trust Wikipedia.
Yeah, it's true but it's 10 $ for a month...too much ;) I prefer wait for an album to pay for it :)
Yeah, probably the smartest decision.
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I just purchased the single on iTunes. I definitely agree that the mix sounds so much better than the YouTube version, more breathing room for each instrument.
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What sucks about this one being the Intro track, I can't wait for it to be over when I hear the full album.
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What sucks about this one being the Intro track, I can't wait for it to be over when I hear the full album.
Did you overlisten it? :lol I don't think I'll have that problem. For a while I listened to OTBOA every day, but now that I am very familiar with it, I can lay off it for a while. It's certainly not boring to me yet, though.
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Yes, I've WAY overlistened to it
I listened to it at least over 10 times on youtube and maybe 3 times on iTunes. I'm sick of it :lol
My brother and dad called it as boring as their other stuff
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I swear, I've heard it alot. I can't get tired of any DT song for some reason.
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I've only listened to it 3 times to avoid ruining it when I listen to the full album at first. I want it to at least seem sort of fresh.
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I will definitly not going to listen to it until album comes out ;)
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Neither am I, but it's been engraved into my brain enough so that I'll still know it note for note when the album comes out. :lol
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Neither am I, but it's been engraved into my brain enough so that I'll still know it note for note when the album comes out. :lol
Well yeah, I have the same ;D This is why I'm not going to listen, maybe I will be able to forgot some moments ;)
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Haha, maybe me too.
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Yes, I've WAY overlistened to it
I listened to it at least over 10 times on youtube and maybe 3 times on iTunes. I'm sick of it :lol
My brother and dad called it as boring as their other stuff
I've listened to it much more than that lol
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I've listened to it 3, maybe 4 times. Will probably give it another play or two before the album comes out. Enough to have it sink in and grow, but not enough for me to be sick of it.
Then again, I have a feeling that when the album comes out, I (and many of the rest of us) will be overplaying other songs so much that OTBOA will sound fresh by the time we get back to it, haha.
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Neither am I, but it's been engraved into my brain enough so that I'll still know it note for note when the album comes out. :lol
Yeah, I can play it on guitar already, :lol
But I like doing that, did the same with A Rite of Passage before BC&SL was released.
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I stopped listening to it a couple weeks ago cuz I suspected I might end up getting sick of it. I will now refrain from listening to it until the album is released and I pop it into my car stereo.
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Wow I haven't listened to the song for a few weeks now and now playing the itunes version, WOW! What a difference, this is really a great song!
Just listened to the itunes version on my sound system.
It's the tits.