I dont think many people will move off their position in this forum either, but that is not what I think most here expect. What we/I have a problem with is that we/I will listen, evaluate, debate a persons opinion....and though we/I may not agree with it, in most cases will concede that their position is a valid and/or possible opinion...but is that reciprocated? Some here do not seem to have that capability. It appears that some, when their opinion is formed, cant seem to understand how it is not accepted as fact by everyone. And another thing, a persons reasoning should be enough, on its own, to present something as fact, or "self-evident. In P/R, you should support your position with something other than your own position.