Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[rumborak]

bruthahood... bruthahood...

Ah yes, the part that ruins the song.

  There are certainly more parts of the song that ruin it, but that portion is cringe-inducing.

"Strength and dignataaaaay"  "Dignity!!"

INVENTORY!!!

[bosk1]

Not liking it a lot =/= not liking it at all. Pls read.

I read you saying you really don't like the way they sound now. If you really don't like something, then you might as well say you dislike it, or not like it at all.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT? 

[TheGreatPretender]

It became so much worse once I heard the stems, and I listened to the vocals by themselves with full clarity of those horrible backups. Now I can't unhear them.

Where can I hear this?

The stems were a part of the BC&SL Limited Edition Box Set.

[jakepriest]

Oh god I shouldn't have ever youtube'd the AROP stem  So glad they got rid of those Portnoy vocals.

[TheGreatPretender]

Oh god I shouldn't have ever youtube'd the AROP stem  So glad they got rid of those Portnoy vocals.

But they didn't... Those vocals are still there. I WISH they'd gotten rid of them.

[jakepriest]

I obviously meant that in terms of the post-Portnoy albums... why you gotta nitpick everything I'll never know.

[TheGreatPretender]

I obviously meant that in terms of the post-Portnoy albums... why you gotta nitpick everything I'll never know.

Sorry!  I honestly didn't realize what you meant!

[Zook]

Illumination Theory is amazing. What are you guys smoking? While I do agree the Disney section is kind of random and kind of kills the momentum, it's still a beautiful section, and the rest of the song is brilliant as well.

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

[TheGreatPretender]

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

Amen!

[ReaperKK]

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

Amen!

Third.

The first time I thought that in a long time.

[Sacul]

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

Amen!

Third.

The first time I thought that in a long time.

Give that man a cookie!

[Crow]

DT12 is a concise album (aside from IT of course) so it's not like the songs needed trimming, just that the production is abysmal and most of the songs weren't really that good to begin with <.<;

[TheGreatPretender]

DT12 is a concise album (aside from IT of course) so it's not like the songs needed trimming, just that the production is abysmal and most of the songs weren't really that good to begin with <.<;

Well, you're in the right thread.

[Crow]

The only songs that don't have production issues off the top of my head are EM and AFtR, and only one of those is somewhat interesting anyways.

[TheGreatPretender]

Don't know what you're talking about. It's a fantastic sounding album.

[MonagFam]

The only songs that don't have production issues off the top of my head are EM and AFtR, and only one of those is somewhat interesting anyways.

Curious what the issues are that you are hearing.  Not agreeing/disagreeing, just wanted you to expand.

[Rodni Demental]

I think Illumination Theory is a near perfect representation of everything Dream Theater does well (including the silence  ). I won't claim everything in this song is the best they're ever done, but it's all reflective of their many different styles and influences and it's done well. The song may not stay the same for very long but I don't expect as much repetition in their 'epic' tracks, it's more about the musical journey.

[TheGreatPretender]

The song may not stay the same for very long

That's one of the best aspects of Dream Theater's music, and what defines Progressive music for me.

[425]

I'll just throw this thought out yet again since we were discussing AROP. I love everything MP has done vocally on a DT record. It excites me to hear his voice as another one in the mix and it's one of the things I miss most on the last two albums. I also happen to think he's super creative when it comes to backing vocal parts. Also AROP is a killer song, and "DIGNITY! OY!" is one of the highlights along with the chorus and iPod solo. So sue me.

[son_ov_hades]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

Mangini is the Edward Snowden of Dream Theater

[BlobVanDam]

Illumination Theory is amazing. What are you guys smoking? While I do agree the Disney section is kind of random and kind of kills the momentum, it's still a beautiful section, and the rest of the song is brilliant as well.

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

They actually went too far in the opposite direction if anything. Aside from IT, there's not much on the album that really wows me. I think they needed to develop the ideas more.

[Outcrier]

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

FAS, Enigma Machine, Enemy Inside (JR solo), IT... all have the "what were they thinking" moments

[TheGreatPretender]

FAS, Enigma Machine, Enemy Inside (JR solo), IT... all have the "what were they thinking" moments

If you're gonna be that picky, then there isn't a single DT album where they DON'T have moments like that. And usually more of them.

[Zook]

There are no parts of DT12 that make me think, "what were they thinking" or "this is unnecessary".

FAS, Enigma Machine, Enemy Inside (JR solo), IT... all have the "what were they thinking" moments

It should be expected of JR to do the cooky stuff, but really, what's in The Enemy Inside that isn't in, say Scenes from a Memory? If there's one thing that wasn't necessary in Enigma Machine, I guess it would be the slow Tuscany section, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I don't know, DT12 has so many people divided, I just don't understand. It's a great album, with no filler, goofy vocals, or disco or blatant rip offs. The Looking Glass has the Limelight inspired riff, but it isn't an exact copy, and at least it's an inspiration from a band that doesn't suck, i.e. Muse... Oh excuse me, I mean, a band that I don't care for at all.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't know, DT12 has so many people divided, I just don't understand.

Yeah, I'm really surprised that it's such a polarizing album. I mean, personally, I'm a wankery hound, so yeah, I would've been happy as hell if the album was super technical and went all over the place, but as it stands, it's in the very nice middle ground with some parts of it still taking unexpected twists all the while still having a very solid and well implemented musical structure. In that manner, it's kind of like combining the tameness of FII with the musical freedom of SFAM. Yet some people are saying that it's DT's worst album, and not even in that "it's still awesome just not as awesome as the rest" way, they really don't like it, and I find that absolutely ridiculous.

[Implode]

I'm fascinated by the polarity as well. Ah well. That's part of what makes DT fans so interesting.

[Outcrier]

It should be expected of JR to do the cooky stuff, but really, what's in The Enemy Inside that isn't in, say Scenes from a Memory? If there's one thing that wasn't necessary in Enigma Machine, I guess it would be the slow Tuscany section, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

The intro (trying to be heavy as fck but failing, just cheesy), 1:40 and the slow part 

[Outcrier]

It should be expected of JR to do the cooky stuff, but really, what's in The Enemy Inside that isn't in, say Scenes from a Memory?

Don't know, for me, these parts always sounded that they fits in the songs of SFAM or SDOIT (not counting the superior songwriting), unlike now.

[BlobVanDam]

It should be expected of JR to do the cooky stuff, but really, what's in The Enemy Inside that isn't in, say Scenes from a Memory? If there's one thing that wasn't necessary in Enigma Machine, I guess it would be the slow Tuscany section, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I don't know, DT12 has so many people divided, I just don't understand. It's a great album, with no filler, goofy vocals, or disco or blatant rip offs. The Looking Glass has the Limelight inspired riff, but it isn't an exact copy, and at least it's an inspiration from a band that doesn't suck, i.e. Muse... Oh excuse me, I mean, a band that I don't care for at all.

I don't rate an album by a DTF checklist of do's and dont's, I judge it for the quality of the music.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't rate an album by a DTF checklist of do's and dont's, I judge it for the quality of the music.

Which in DT12's case is phenomenal.

[BlobVanDam]

I don't rate an album by a DTF checklist of do's and dont's, I judge it for the quality of the music.

Which in DT12's case is phenomenal.

Not for me it's not. It has a few great tracks and amazing moments, but the rest doesn't interest me much at all. I'd rank it near the bottom of their discography.

[TheGreatPretender]

Not for me it's not. It has a few great tracks and amazing moments, but the rest doesn't interest me much at all. I'd rank it near the bottom of their discography.

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[BlobVanDam]

Not for me it's not. It has a few great tracks and amazing moments, but the rest doesn't interest me much at all. I'd rank it near the bottom of their discography.

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

And that's just like your opinion, man. Wanna fight about it?


Nah, neither do I.

[sneakyblueberry]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

[adastra]

DT made a mistake not letting MP back in the band. Anyone said that?

TRUE!