2012-08-19/20 - Luna Park - Buenos Aires, ARG (being filmed for DVD)

[KevShmev]

I am grateful. I can be grateful and still a little disappointed. Of course I will buy this the day it comes out and enjoy the hell out of it.



But you can call me spoiled, that's cool.

You are spoiled.

[gm5k]

Agree with what someone said about being excited to hear a different drum mix on the ADTOE songs.  Thrilled about that actually,  and also just to hear Mangini play all the other songs in high quality.  Curious now about who's going to the mix the DVD. 

Really excited for the guys putting a out a HQ Bluray like this with such amazing performances.  Wonderful moment in their careers after what happened 2 years ago 

[Nekov]

Ok, two thoughts about this night.

1: James sounded pretty awesome. I think the problem was my location. I was much closer to the stage this time

2: Forget what I said about the crowd yesterday, again I think the location changed it cause it sounded very loud this time. Everyone cheering and singing along. I expect that the DVD to have a decent volume for the crowd cause it really added up to the show.

[fadetoblackdude7]

I am soooooo excited for this blu-ray......like Bosk pointed out, the entire new album played, plus great older tracks (including a string quartet-enhanced acoustic set), loads of extras.....and also something no one has pointed out yet.....their BEST light show yet in HI DEF!!!

This is gonna be good 

[amechudo]

First, thanks a lot Nekov for all the updates, here with some friends we were following closely the thread to know what we are going to get in the next release, and I have to say I'm really happy with the result, the band is playing great and I'm sure the Blu-Ray will be amazing.

About the DVD, it is interesting to see what James said about this shows in the interview for the Venezuelan website:

Q:The setlist for the South American Tour, it will vary from what is being shown here in the U.S?

JLB: It will vary for the DVD, definitely is going to vary because we are shooting two nights so there will be some substitutes going on. As far as the rest of South America the fact that we are only going into Guatemala one show, Salvador one show, Costa Rica one show, to us it makes sense to bring just probably a master set that we do for those countries, anything like that it will probably be the master A set, and then as I said, the DVD will be switching some songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oPEPDv_hE0&feature=youtu.be   (@ 22:20)

Maybe some people expected more "variation" according to what James said, but anyways, this DVD is going to be great, the band was playing amazing during this South American Tour and I'm sure this could be their best live release ever, I certainly hope so.

[Setlist Scotty]

I am grateful. I can be grateful and still a little disappointed. Of course I will buy this the day it comes out and enjoy the hell out of it.



But you can call me spoiled, that's cool.

You are spoiled.

And I think many DT fans are, because of what has been established previously. So to not have the surprises we are accustomed to (even as was evident from the 3 surprise tracks at the second Huntington show) IS a letdown. When looking at the setlists, I also was disappointed to see that there was nothing especially special included for these shows, save for the string quartet. And that's AFTER adjusting my thinking to not expect exciting unusual things like when a certain someone else was in the band.

That said, I went ahead and combined the setlists of both nights and created a playlist in iTunes to see what it would look like and to get a rough idea of how long the DVD would be if all the songs from both nights were included. The setlist looks like this:
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
The Dark Eternal Night
This is the Life
Caught in a Web
The Root of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
drum solo
A Fortune in Lies
Wait for Sleep (w/ string quartet)
Far from Heaven  (w/ string quartet)
The Silent Man (w/ string quartet)
Beneath the Surface (w/ string quartet)
Outcry
piano solo
Surrounded
On the Backs of Angels
The War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
guitar solo w/ keyboard accompaniment
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
~~~encore~~~
Metropolis part I
Pull Me Under

and the total came out to 2 hours, 41 minutes. Factor in the solos, small extensions of songs and gaps in between songs, and I think you can add another 30 minutes to the overall length. So the total would be roughly 3 hours, 11 minutes, which would make it longer than any of DT's other live releases (when comparing strictly to the music of Chaos in Motion). When talking with JP after the LA show, I remember him saying that there would be some bonus tracks included from the Huntington show, so I think it's safe to say that Paradigm Shift, To Live Forever and 21st Century Schizoid Man will be the bonus tracks, and who knows, maybe Another Day from the Austin show too. So that'll be another 23 minutes (or 28 with Another Day).

It should be noted that this is going by the notion that their plans haven't changed. JP also told me they planned on having TRoAE be played right before the drum solo (and they would bring back the "Octavarium"/heavy ending as they did earlier on the tour) but it appears that this plan changed. But I digress...

Assuming that they will release one of the full length shows from the summer Euro leg on Ytsejam Records that has LtL as the encore (instead of Metropolis), there will only be 3 repeated songs from this new DVD (TW, OtBoA, CiaW) which ain't bad at all.

So to sum it up, I feel for you Adami and know where you're coming from. Looking at some of the song selections chosen for these 2 shows, I too feel it could have been different than what it ended up being (I'm right with you on not needing to see TSCO on yet another live release and the same goes for WIMH/TTTSTA when TGD or TCoT could have been played instead). OTOH it could have been worse too, so I'm not gonna complain too much.

When creating the hybrid setlist, I was surprised to see that not just BCaSL wasn't represented, but neither was FII or ToT. Very strange IMO, even if expected judging from the setlists played throughout this tour.

[?]

Tonight's setlist will most likely be the same as in Bogota, possibly with a few changes.

Looks like I was right, the few changes being switching the places of Caught in a Web and These Walls! Of course it would've been cool to get some special songs for the DVD but I'm happy with the setlists and I think the band want to make the DVD setlist to be one that fans in any country could've gotten, except longer. It's also a bit of a risk to play some song for the first time on the tour (leg) at the DVD shoot, there could be screw-ups. Well, now they have 2 versions of most songs to choose from to make the DVD perfect and maybe we'll get Ytse Jam bootlegs of the European summer tour and the second night in Huntington...

And as a side note, JP mentioned that the crowds didn't warm up to The Great Debate but I think they wouldn't have had that problem in South America!

[nikatapi]

No real surprises on the setlist, but it's going to be a hell of a live album.

These Walls, Caught In A Web, 6:00, The Root Of All Evil, Wait For Sleep, The Silent Man and the entire ADTOE are the most exciting songs for me, and i can't imagine how good the image quality will be, given it was shot in high definition, and the amazing light show.

From the few videos i've watched, James sounded really good, the crowd was energetic and the whole band was on fire.

As Adami said, i just hope for a very good live mix, i thought Score and especially CiM were a bit weak in terms of mix, and i really want to hear everyone clearly with the right amount of volume.

Also, i hope we will get a DVD+CD edition, not only because i'm bored to rip the sound from the DVD to put in on my ipod, but i would like it for my collection, CiM was cool in terms of packaging, despite being a poor offering.

[wasteland]

I was too a bit disappointed when I purposely woke up in the middle of the night to see the setlist. I was at least hoping for To Live Forever and maaaaaybe Learning To Live. But still, I cannot but be extremely excited for this release: strong setlist, blu ray, South American crowd, "stellar surprises for the BR", clips from Huntington, on the road documentary and who knows how much more.

With all this goods, it's quite impossible to be disappointed for more than one minute. 

[IdoSC]

I'm disappointed because it doesn't even represent the tour; just the later legs. No TGD, no Endless Sacrifice, no TCOT, no LTL etc.

Of course it's still awesome, and I hope they will actually include, say, both 6:00 and Caught in a Web in the DVD rather than picking the best performance of the two.

[SeRoX]

I'm truly disappointed. Ok, this setlist is a killer but again from now on I don't believe in DT when they say about something surprises.

[IdoSC]

What the hell, is it James singing the triggered, raspy backing vocals in The Dark Eternal Night? O_O

[Zydar]

Didn't they say that the surprises was the bonus stuff on the DVD and not for the actual show?

[IdoSC]

Didn't they say that the surprises was the bonus stuff on the DVD and not for the actual show?

Maybe some of us misinterpreted that because of James' quote a few posts above, but yeah I guess it's clear now lol.

[Progmetty]

I'm disappointed because it doesn't even represent the tour; just the later legs. No TGD, no Endless Sacrifice, no TCOT, no LTL etc.

Of course it's still awesome, and I hope they will actually include, say, both 6:00 and Caught in a Web in the DVD rather than picking the best performance of the two.

Outcry, Beneath The Surface, Wait For Sleep, Far From Heaven, BMUBMD are gonna witness me reminiscing about the first leg of the U.S tour.
If they had played any song on these two night that wasn't previously played on this tour I would have considered it a screw up, this is for a release documenting A Dramatic Tour of Events and the two nights beautifully spanned that year or so of this particular tour, bound to leave some stuff out for practicality as they surely couldn't play every single song that was played on this tour but they covered the majority of it. I personally would have liked Fatal Tragedy and Ytse Jam from the 1st leg to make it, they didn't, perfectly understandable as the choices was their decision not mine and still what they played more than makes up for it. I'm not disappointed.
I want a DVD of this tour, you put one of the "surprise" ideas being thrown around like 8VM and this becomes something else, not better or worse, just not a representation of this tour.
I'm not denying the disappointed folks the right to be so or dismissing them, I'm just trying to shed a light on this angle which I personally find very important.

[Dekost]

I hoped for TGD, TCOT and LTL, but still this is a killer setlist, seriously.

[MoraWintersoul]

When creating the hybrid setlist, I was surprised to see that not just BCaSL wasn't represented, but neither was FII or ToT. Very strange IMO, even if expected judging from the setlists played throughout this tour.

But then again, they did play Peruvian Skies and Endless Sacrifice on High Voltage (and elsewhere on the tour? I don't remember), so we might get those on YJR.

What would suck now, though, would be if they somehow left all those songs you mentioned out of YJR.

[IdoSC]

When creating the hybrid setlist, I was surprised to see that not just BCaSL wasn't represented, but neither was FII or ToT. Very strange IMO, even if expected judging from the setlists played throughout this tour.

But then again, they did play Peruvian Skies and Endless Sacrifice on High Voltage (and elsewhere on the tour? I don't remember), so we might get those on YJR.

What would suck now, though, would be if they somehow left all those songs you mentioned out of YJR.

Lol they played those two songs for the whole European leg.

[Sketchy]

No bass solo 

But no, seriously: looks like an epic DVD.

[MoraWintersoul]

Lol they played those two songs for the whole European leg.

Don't lol at me, my memory sucks

[necrotomist]

setlist is cool enough.. Was hoping for Count of Tuscany and LTL though.. oh well!

[FrostbiteZ]

I think they missed an opportunity with the strings. I bet Anna Lee would have sounded amazing unplugged with strings

[Onno]

they said that there would be a lot of surprises/crazy stuff

They said there would be a lot of surprises for the Blu Ray, not necessarily the show itself.  I wouldn't expect them to go totally nuts with the set list.  Just from the standard set lists this tour, we are getting a pretty amazing collection of songs.  I know it's easy to forget that when we've been here on the Internet seeing the sets posted after every show.  But we really are getting a tremendous set of material even if they don't change a thing (and, honestly, why WOULD they change it up?). 

Oh well, maybe it's true that they haven't said that there would be a lot of suprises for the show itself. But to me it seemed that they had, and thus I was a bit disappointed with the setlists. Anyway, I can't say I'm not excited for the DVD anymore, I guess I'll enjoy it anyway (especially when the likes of 6:00 and These Walls are on it!) and just wait for all the other cool shows/songs from the last tours to be released on Ytsejam

[wolfandwolfandwolf]

I am extremely excited for this release.  I have to agree with Bosk concerning the setlists and actually following them and seeing them for the whole of the year, so it's hard for me to be disappointed when I look at the songs we're getting on the release.  The string quartet should be really cool - also really excited about a version of Surrounded where James sounds really on point.  Gonna be great.

[jingle.boy]

Scotty put it perfectly.  We as fans have been spoiled by the band's previous releases.  It's fair to be disappointed to get (multiple) repeats of some songs that are already on DVDs, and mildly popular, whereas there are some we'd like a great DVD release of (I'll include LtL on that, as I really don't care too much for the LSFNY version).

None-the-less, it'll be a great DVD, I'll buy it the Tuesday it's released, and enjoy every moment of it.

[wasteland]

I believe this can be posted

*snip*

[bosk1]

I believe this can be posted

*snip*

Dude, no.  I posted a few pages back. NO LINKS FROM THESE SHOWS.  Period.  Thanks.

[N4Player]

Can't wait to get my grubby paws on this release. Love that all of ADTOE are going to be on it. No BC&SL songs sucks for me personally, but it won't spoil the enjoyment one bit. Grateful the band has put such an effort into making this, and I hope they release it digitally on iTunes so I can have an excuse to buy 2 copies. Going to be a killer release. At then end of the day it is about capturing the current era of Dream Theater and that is ADTOE and Mike Mangini. No way this DVD is going to disappoint.

[The Curious Orange]

Disappointing as it can be when a band doesn't play the songs you want to hear (or include them on a live DVD), with a band like DT you have to concentrate on what they play, rather than what they don't.

I'm happy to see TSCO again, as it's one of DT's finest moments, and they should play it at every single show, IMO. WIMH/TTTSTA should be blistering on DVD with the light and stage show going into overdrive - it was a real highlight of the tour. I hope the DVD sticks with the first night's setlist, as I'd rather hear TSM and BTS than FFH and WFS (and 6:00, of course), but if These Walls makes it onto the DVD, even if only as a bonus track, I shall be a happy man.

I'd love to see DT release more "official bootlegs" like Pearl Jam do. I'd love to get hold of a proper release of the early European setlist with Peruvian Skies, Endless Sacrifice, Great Debate and TCOT. Despite what I said about not complaining about what they don't play, I note there's nothing from BC&SL on this set. Shame the YtseJam bootlegs seem to have gone belly-up with MP's departure.

Roll on the DVD! Let's hope if there's a companion CD release (please?) it has a decent mix this time! 

[bosk1]

Shame the YtseJam bootlegs seem to have gone belly-up with MP's departure.

Well, yes and no.  We'll still be getting Ytsejam releases.  Just not any with material from before the split (at least, not for awhile).

[Cedar redaC]

I think it would be cool if they released a CD of just the songs off of A Dramatic Turn of Events in album order, kind of like how Rush did with Moving Pictures: 2011. Granted, Dream Theater didn't play the album cover to cover all at once and in order, but I would still buy it.

[KevShmev]

I'm truly disappointed. Ok, this setlist is a killer but again from now on I don't believe in DT when they say about something surprises.

The string quartet was a surprise.  Just because it's a surprise that didn't knock your socks off doesn't not make it a surprise.

I am grateful. I can be grateful and still a little disappointed. Of course I will buy this the day it comes out and enjoy the hell out of it.



But you can call me spoiled, that's cool.

You are spoiled.

And I think many DT fans are, because of what has been established previously. So to not have the surprises we are accustomed to (even as was evident from the 3 surprise tracks at the second Huntington show) IS a letdown. When looking at the setlists, I also was disappointed to see that there was nothing especially special included for these shows, save for the string quartet. And that's AFTER adjusting my thinking to not expect exciting unusual things like when a certain someone else was in the band.

Especially special?  Like I told SeRox, just because you don't think it was "especially special" doesn't mean others might not have.  

These shows were a terrific representation of the tour, even if they left out a few songs that got played earlier in the tour (like The Count, TGD, Endless Sacrifice, etc.). 

And I think sometimes people get hung up on every album getting represented, when that really isn't necessary.  If a set list is great from top to bottom, flows really well and the crowd enjoys it like crazy, does it really matter if a few albums aren't represented?  The answer, of course, is no. 

Sure, Portnoy gave us some exciting unusual things, but he also gave us some things that could have been a lot better as well.  Disappear being in the Budokan set list was a great surprise, but being that late in the set was poor placement; it would have worked better in the middle of the set, instead of being that close to the end, as it was kind of a buzz kill after Stream of Consciousness.  Same thing with Score and some of the odd choices and omissions from that set list.  So, while, yes, he gave us some "especially special" things , his set lists were not perfect either.

[MoraWintersoul]

I think it would be cool if they released a CD of just the songs of of A Dramatic Turn of Events in album order, kind of like how Rush did with Moving Pictures: 2011. Granted, Dream Theater didn't play the album cover to cover all at once and in order, but I would still buy it.

So we could skip 'em all at once?

Sorry, I just had to. I won't skip 'em, anyway.

[Mladen]

I liked the set from the second night slightly better, although both are great. Thanks for the updates, Nekov. 

...and now we play the waiting game...

[Perpetual Change]

For anyone still not sold on the "surprise" factor, something especially special did happen.


***PROBABLE DVD SPOILERS****











I have it on very good authority that Jordan Rudess wore his wizard hat during at least one of the encores.  So there














***SPOILERS OVER***