Will MP still come back?

[Tick]

I'm the opposite of you tick.  I really liked BC&SL and thought SC was ok.

I like both, I just like SC more. and Vapor Trails is better then Snakes And Arrows!

[King Postwhore]

I'm the opposite of you tick.  I really liked BC&SL and thought SC was ok.

I like both, I just like SC more. and Vapor Trails is better then Snakes And Arrows!

[clinks63]

i think MP will still come back..the band gave him the break he wanted..and as mentioned in MM interview, he was not involved in the writing process and will merely play only for the band..

maybe for DT12..MP will return refreshed..and i think the rest of DT will be very excited too..

i hope this will be case..hehe..

[Bertielee]

There's a lot of difference betwwen "I think" and "I hope". MM seems to be giving all he has in him to DT now and I'm really moved by this. Just imagine if they told him : "OK, guy, it was fine, but you're not in DT anymore. MP is back. So long!" The shock. And honestly, I think the guys would lose a lot of credibility doing so. Of course, some fans would be happy (tbh, if they ever do this, I'm done with DT), but I think they would lose a lot of other fans as well. Just my humble two cents.

B.Lee

[King Postwhore]

i think MP will still come back..the band gave him the break he wanted..and as mentioned in MM interview, he was not involved in the writing process and will merely play only for the band..

maybe for DT12..MP will return refreshed..and i think the rest of DT will be very excited too..

i hope this will be case..hehe..

The band didn't give him the break he needed,  he left.

[bosk1]

Sorry, but I am not of the opinion that the last few albums weren't very good, and Mike is the reason. I like the last few albums.

Same here.  And I have seen nothing to indicate that the other members grew to "resent" Mike's leadership style.  HOWEVER, it is seeming more likely to me that while Mike has always given his all to be in touch with the fans, he may very well have been losing touch with his bandmates and not even realizing it.  I could be dead wrong, but I get the impression Mike was on one wavelength and the rest of the band were on a completely different one, and it was easy to mask that for a long time while writing and touring when the focus was just on playing the music.  There's so much we don't know that I even hate to speculate, but that's my impression.


Oh, and people need to stop saying "I think Mike will come back."  No, he won't.  He is no longer a member.  There is no longer a vacancy at the drum position.  It isn't possible for him to come back.  If and when the drum chair ever becomes vacant, then it's a different story.  But that's a huge "if."

[7StringedBeast]

i think MP will still come back..the band gave him the break he wanted..and as mentioned in MM interview, he was not involved in the writing process and will merely play only for the band..

maybe for DT12..MP will return refreshed..and i think the rest of DT will be very excited too..

i hope this will be case..hehe..

Why do you even care so much about Portnoy being in the band?  He left the band.  He gave up and walked away.  He said he was basically bored of Dream Theater.  Why would you want someone who is bored of the band to be playing in that band.  DT11 is going to be a great album just because of the enthusiasm of all the guys going into the studio.  Mangini is going to have amazing drum parts just simply because how jacked up he is to be there.  He's hungry, and he wants it.

[phentalmyst]

Oh, and people need to stop saying "I think Mike will come back."  No, he won't.  He is no longer a member.  There is no longer a vacancy at the drum position.  It isn't possible for him to come back.  If and when the drum chair ever becomes vacant, then it's a different story.  But that's a huge "if."

respectfully disagree. they booted DS for JR. it *could* happen again...especially if the new album bombs. not sayin it will...

[tri.ad]

That was a totally different scenario. DT wanted JR right from the start when KM left in 1994. JR didn't want to join DT, so they settled with DS. It wasn't until JR could see himself as a part of DT after LTE2 was finished.

With MM, I highly doubt that DT were settling for him just as a temporary solution until they could have MP back. 1) They were looking for a permanent replacement (JP himself said so), 2) they declined MP's offer to come back at the end of last year.

And frankly, I don't really think that the new album will bomb. Sure, the rabid MP fanbois will snub and probably bash it on end, but in the end, I see no reason why it should do terrible. Unless is sucks, of course, but I think (or at least I hope) that it won't happen.

[bosk1]

^That.  Not to mention the primary decision-maker in that earlier scenario is the one who is no longer in the band at this point.

[7StringedBeast]

I think there is no doubt that the drumming will be amazing on this next album.

[Bone_Daddy]

Pardon the old memory but he originally said that many things musically was stale but It was weird that the other 4 didn't feel that way. 

it's confusing how the story *SEEMS* to change from one MP response to another. he implies it was musical in the MP/Moog comment, then he says it was a staleness in the relationships within the band that lead to him leaving and even says it wasn't musically related in the Classic Rock interview. i don't know what to think...

This. It's just another episode of MP's: As The World Turns.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole Moog observation is off. The other four members of DT didn't need a kick in the arse. The simple truth is that Mike needed to depart/relinquish control to allow the other four members to kick ass. His tenure became stifling in the realm of creativity but I believe Mike was too proud to admit that he was the main factor for the band's recent sub-par albums.

That said, there is no excuse why the other four band members didn't take control of the stagnant situation and call attention to it and then act on it. I believe there was a little more passivity on their parts then they will admit - just trying to keep things flowing smoothly.

As I have stated before, MP departure was a blessing in disguise. Sure the other four members were shocked but I bet some serious DT schwag that when it was all going down, in the back of their minds, they were pretty damn excited the dictator of creativity was stepping down.

[phentalmyst]

i know it's a different scenario, i get all the explanations and i don't think the album will bomb. it still doesn't change the fact that the band *COULD* boot MM for MP. MM doesn't have to voluntarily leave for this to happen. that's all i'm saying...

[JPX]

The longer Mike's out of the band, the more likely it is that he will never play with them again. His pride and ego is to big and the chip on his shoulder will just get bigger.

[bosk1]

That's quite enough of that.

[reneranucci]

I believe Mike was too proud to admit that he was the main factor for the band's recent sub-par albums.

He wasn't

[Perpetual Change]

I believe Mike was too proud to admit that he was the main factor for the band's recent sub-par albums.

He wasn't

Yeah. He just seems to have realized it too late to save his own spot in the band.

[Tick]

I think there is no doubt that the drumming will be amazing on this next album.

I agree! 

[7StringedBeast]

I think there is no doubt that the drumming will be amazing on this next album.

I agree! 

[Ben_Jamin]

I'm amazed he didn't ask them to handle some of the duties he handled if that's what was tiring him out.

Instead, he decided he wanted to still have those duties.

[WildeSilas]

I agree with Bone Daddy. He said what I meant to say, but did a more eloquent job. 

[TAC]

and Vapor Trails is better then Snakes And Arrows!

Easily. It's not even close.

[Mladen]

and Vapor Trails is better then Snakes And Arrows!

Easily. It's not even close.

Well, duh! 

[Demolition]

Personally, I have enjoyed all of their recent albums.  I guess they may be too heavy for some people's taste but I think they are great.  If DT had even the most remote thought of ever having MP come back into the band they would not have picked the person who had the most passion to join DT.  It is clear that MM is in this band for the long run.  If DT wanted to go with a temporary drummer until MP got refreshed they would have probably went with either Marco Minnemann or Peter Wildoer. 

[jmbeat]

The question is....IF he ever comes back, would it be in the same capacity as "Leader" of the band.  I highly doubt it after all that has gone down. Would MP want to come back with a diminshed role?

[Major Thirteenth]

Sorry, but I am not of the opinion that the last few albums weren't very good, and Mike is the reason. I like the last few albums.

Same here.  And I have seen nothing to indicate that the other members grew to "resent" Mike's leadership style.  HOWEVER, it is seeming more likely to me that while Mike has always given his all to be in touch with the fans, he may very well have been losing touch with his bandmates and not even realizing it.  I could be dead wrong, but I get the impression Mike was on one wavelength and the rest of the band were on a completely different one, and it was easy to mask that for a long time while writing and touring when the focus was just on playing the music.  There's so much we don't know that I even hate to speculate, but that's my impression.


Oh, and people need to stop saying "I think Mike will come back."  No, he won't.  He is no longer a member.  There is no longer a vacancy at the drum position.  It isn't possible for him to come back.  If and when the drum chair ever becomes vacant, then it's a different story.  But that's a huge "if."

I believe the legal issues have reached a level of contentiousness that would totally preclude Mike ever returning to DT, even if MM were to leave of his own volition. I believe quite strongly that the situation is teetering on the brink, and that the probablility of a private settlement is 50/50. If it reaches the public arena through litigation, he's never coming back or even playing a tribute in my opinion. However, even if a settlement is reached, I believe strongly that there is sufficient animosity that has built up to prevent any chance of a reunion. I also believe that a significant proportion of that animosity accumulated prior to the breakup and is now amplified exponentially by the discord that has arisen in negotiating the dissolution.

Fortunately we have a new album to concentrate on, and a tour to anticipate in the early Winter. Unforuntately I love the outdoor venues, but that is not happening. Nonetheless I will be at any shows that involve NY, NJ, PA, CT and maybe even Boston this time around. And of course all new t-shirts have to be purchased...

[ReaPsTA]

I believe the legal issues have reached a level of contentiousness that would totally preclude Mike ever returning to DT, even if MM were to leave of his own volition. I believe quite strongly that the situation is teetering on the brink, and that the probablility of a private settlement is 50/50. If it reaches the public arena through litigation, he's never coming back or even playing a tribute in my opinion. However, even if a settlement is reached, I believe strongly that there is sufficient animosity that has built up to prevent any chance of a reunion. I also believe that a significant proportion of that animosity accumulated prior to the breakup and is now amplified exponentially by the discord that has arisen in negotiating the dissolution.

Fortunately we have a new album to concentrate on, and a tour to anticipate in the early Winter. Unforuntately I love the outdoor venues, but that is not happening. Nonetheless I will be at any shows that involve NY, NJ, PA, CT and maybe even Boston this time around. And of course all new t-shirts have to be purchased...

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

[Major Thirteenth]

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

Yes.

[ReaPsTA]

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

Yes.

I look forward to more absolutely unequivocally indisputably 100% accurate posts from you in the future then.

[Adami]

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

Yes.

You do realize that Mangini did in fact write all of his own drum parts, right?

[tgstk2]

the great thing of using a drum machine to write drumtracks and give them to MM, you can go as crazy as you want with thte drumcomputer has MM has got like 40 limbs?

MP back in DT....that would mean givnig up he's leader role, as in the meantime the other DT guys will take over that role and i dont think when they have gotten used to it, they would to give it up just so MP would be in DT again....
So i think there will be some sort reunion tour, and big massive album with MP again and a tour and that's it.

[Bertielee]

No, he won't : I mean permanently. As for an album : no way! I don't think they'll do that to MM. If so, I'll have a really poor opinion of them and frankly, I'll be done with DT.

B.Lee

[Dream Team]

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

Yes.

I look forward to more absolutely unequivocally indisputably 100% accurate posts from you in the future then.

Yeah, c'mon M13, give us some more inside info. What's the album going to be like? How many members contributed lyrics? Is there an instrumental? Surely your sources must know?

[Major Thirteenth]

I look forward to more absolutely unequivocally indisputably 100% accurate posts from you in the future then.

I will try my best. But you did read the part where I said "it is my opinion". Take it for what its worth. Sometimes opinions are later found out to be facts in hindsight.

[Major Thirteenth]

How do you know all of this?  Did you get it from the same sources who told you Mangini's parts were written on a drum machine for him?

Yes.

You do realize that Mangini did in fact write all of his own drum parts, right?

It is my opinion that this is incorrect. I do believe he played all his drum parts though . However the parts were written by the others and given to him, and writing those parts of course required the use of a drum machine.