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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #105 on: April 10, 2020, 05:31:17 PM »
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #106 on: April 10, 2020, 08:08:09 PM »
I have no problem with the "piecing together" of a song like IT (though I don't like the song much). I'd rather that approach than making sections repetitive and drawn out like songs on BC&SL. How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

This. Most songs on Black Clouds feel longer than they should. AROP, TBOT and ANTR feel like that to me, for example.

TBOT is 13:09 too long.

 :lol  Yeah, I'd have to agree.  I recently made a DT epics play list and I didn't include this one.

But, to be fair to Mike, I bet this was a really hard song for him to write.  And, considering it's connection to his father, I completely understand why it has so much meaning for him.  And I'm really glad it does.
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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #107 on: April 10, 2020, 08:51:57 PM »
TBoT was, along with ARoP the two drags on that album for me when I first got it. I liked the album, but it didn't live up to (MP's) hype, and not nearly as enjoyable as I found SC. I rarely listen to it, and still rate ARoP pretty low. But I've come around on TBoT. It's not a song I am goign to go out of my way to listen to, but it's better and more enjoyable than I thought it was upon release.
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« Reply #108 on: April 11, 2020, 02:30:17 AM »
How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

I know you mean that rhetorically, but I was bored earlier today, so here you go

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0:00 Intro A
0:19 Intro B
0:38 Intro C

0:56 Verse 1
1:31 Pre-Chorus 1
1:49 Chorus 1
2:25 Fill
2:31 Intro B
2:50 Intro C

2:59 Verse 2
3:34 Pre-Chorus 2
3:53 Chorus 2
4:27 Fill
4:34 Intro B

4:52 Riff A
5:19 Riff B (Guitar solo starts)
5:32 Riff A
5:47 Riff C
6:00 Riff A
6:12 Riff B (Keys solo starts)
6:25 Riff A
6:40 Riff C (eeeeeerrrrrr)
6:53 Riff A (beep boop beep boop)
7:06 Transition out

7:14 Chorus 3
7:49 Fill
7:56 Intro B
8:14 Intro C
Sigh... here we go.....
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« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2020, 04:03:55 AM »
I liked that song a lot when it came out, but now I find it extremely bland and unambitious. Seeing the structure like that explains my dislike for it fairly well, even though there are similarly structured tracks that at least provide more interesting melodies and riffs.

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« Reply #110 on: April 11, 2020, 04:39:25 AM »
A Rite of Passage has the best chorus of the whole album, followed by “hopelessly drifting” from ANTR, and the second verse has a kick-ass guitar part :angel: :metal

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« Reply #111 on: April 11, 2020, 08:35:28 AM »
For some reason I had TBOT in my head the other day, so I threw it on. It had been a long time since I listened to it and I really enjoyed it. Is it the greatest song? No, but it's good and the guitar solo at the end may be the best JP has ever done. My god, is that awesome!!

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« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2020, 10:07:38 AM »
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think it’s perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that “spirit of radio intro” section.
I think that SC and BC&SL are the only DT albums that would benefit with some editions in some songs.
And TA the only DT album that would benefit with some editions in many songs. :biggrin:
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« Reply #113 on: April 11, 2020, 10:32:39 AM »
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think it’s perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that “spirit of radio intro” section.
I think that SC and BC&SL are the only DT albums that would benefit with some editions in some songs.
And TA the only DT album that would benefit with some editions in many songs. :biggrin:

Cut off the slow intro???  :omg: Are ya daft man? :facepalm: That intro is what gives context to the soaring keyboard part at the 6:11 otherwise removing the intro takes all the emotion out of the song.

BTW, I was just thinking that the opening guitar riff reminded me of the beginning of "Spirit of Radio".  :tup
I also don't know what songs would benefit from "editions". What kinds of editions?

Also, you take that back about TA!!!  >:(
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« Reply #114 on: April 11, 2020, 10:42:17 AM »
Cut off the slow intro???  :omg: Are ya daft man? :facepalm: That intro is what gives context to the soaring keyboard part at the 6:11 otherwise removing the intro takes all the emotion out of the song.

Also, it serves at a nice contrast to the actual start of the song. You hear the slow and sad melody and you go "d'uh, it's a song for a father who passed away, of course it's a melanchonic ballad", and then comes that uplifting, I&W-esque riff that kicks up a rocking song that celebrate good times and fond memories (before the more melanchonic second part of course). The first time I heard it, it put such a big smile on my face!
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« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2020, 12:17:33 PM »
I think that slow melody on TBoT at the begginnig really drags the song right in the begginng and I think that the "Spirit of Radio riff" would open better the song. Yes, of course, I know what the song is all about, but I read some MP interview that he wanted to focus the positive/uplifiting things in his life experience with his father on this song. But, to my perception, looking the song as a whole, that sad song's begginning had left things a bit more on the saddest side of the loss.
On Black Clouds I think the ANtR and ARoP solos should have half the musical bars that they actually have, because they drag a bit because of that.
On Systematic Chaos, I think Repetence should be shorter from "the voices part" on and The Ministry of Lost Souls should have the first half shortened. I don't know exactly where to cut, but, ITPoTE pt.2 also drags a bit.
As for TA, although it's an album that I really like, it had the potential of be the best DT album ever, if they approached it to a more traditional conceptual album structure (not a rock opera one) and with more instrumental passages in a more traditional DT's style.
Of course, all of that, for my personal wish/taste which it's... totally irrelevant for the DT's creativity! :lol.
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« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2020, 12:24:27 PM »
With all due respect to JP’s epic ending solo, the slow intro is my favorite part of the song. So beautiful and soothing, and IMO the violin and acoustic guitar do the melodies the most justice.

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« Reply #117 on: April 11, 2020, 01:31:52 PM »
Nearly every song from 6DOIT through BC&SL is too long, with the exception of most of 8VM. With MP being gone, the songs have gotten back to normal, unbloated lengths leading me to believe that MP was the one pushing for extending the songs through repetition. This is pretty evident when you hear Into The Blue and Open Up Your Eyes...some parts of those songs repeat endlessly. Edited versions of Black Clouds and Systematic Chaos would probably elevate those albums quite a bit in many people's rankings. It sucks because ARoP is a solid 4 1/2 minute song and ANTR is probably a really impactful 9 minute song...but of course, EPIC = BETTER  :-\

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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2020, 03:19:57 PM »
... leading me to believe that MP was the one pushing for extending the songs through repetition.

I thought that was generally accepted as fact(?)
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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #119 on: April 11, 2020, 04:42:14 PM »
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think it’s perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that “spirit of radio intro” section.

Oh man, I completely disagree. The intro is incredible. Totally sets the tone.
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Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
« Reply #120 on: April 22, 2020, 02:12:51 AM »
It should be noted in this thread that James is building a home studio. While he might need it for all sorts of other projects (like his solo album, which is finally cooking properly), it's good news for DT15.

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« Reply #121 on: April 22, 2020, 03:08:38 AM »
It should be noted in this thread that James is building a home studio. While he might need it for all sorts of other projects (like his solo album, which is finally cooking properly), it's good news for DT15.
Cheers for the heads up, Mora. Just added it (and some other bits by JP that I missed), along with a general clean up of the title page.
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« Reply #122 on: April 22, 2020, 09:02:37 AM »
No problem, I should have remembered to give you a link too!

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