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Title: DT15: A View From The Top Of The World (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 18, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
This will be the timeline thread for DT15, thanks to Sebastiŗn for the idea. I'll post any updates here, as and when I find them. So here we go:
-----preface-----

Tuesday, February 18th, 2020: Mike mentions studio time for DT15 (+his solo album) (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/photos/a.114728775242556/2770915996290474/?type=3&theater)

Tuesday, April 14th, 2020: JP is collecting ideas (https://www.instagram.com/p/B--WziQB0sd/)

Monday, April 20th, 2020: James is building a home studio (https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1252245658922364928)

Wednesday, May 20th, 2020: Jordan is collecting ideas (https://www.instagram.com/p/CAbEicpApE6/)

Friday, August 7th, 2020: JP announces change of scheduling for DT15 cycle (meaning earlier than anticipated!) (https://www.instagram.com/p/CDjlmm4qGlb/ skip to around 18:30)

----end of preface----- (studio time is happening in October and November of 2020, see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953)--------
Sunday, October 4th, 2020: Mike heads to DTHQ (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/203868131102662) (note: he mentions the capture date was October 4th, so that is it then)
Monday, October 5th, 2020: John mentions DT15 being recorded at DTHQ and them starting over fresh with nothing pre-written. (https://www.revolvermag.com/music/dream-theater-new-live-album-onstage-mishaps-rehearsing-meat-shops?fbclid=IwAR39v9x6B-V6PnGhZGfHLxzglOnvn8W1qDoUry58GykePv_GXIWevrl1tcM)

Thursday, October 8th, 2020: Mike mentions progress and seems pleased (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3366150066767061&id=111860865529347&
comment_id=3367919896590078)

Sunday, November 17th, 2020: James mentions vocal parts, contributing via Zoom (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/james_labrie_announces_dream_theater_is_writing_new_album_without_him_in_the_studio_were_writing_by_zoom.html)


Wednesday, October 21st, 2020: Jordan mentions DT15 will not be a concept album, but will have an interesting basic idea anyway. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IES9GIB8U3Q)

Friday, October 23rd, 2020: John mentions documenting the album process. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9kJdJ5L9c)

Tuesday, December 8th, 2020: John records guitar parts. 8-string guitar in use. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CIis2p_h9Ay/)

Thursday, January 14th, 2021: Mike mentions more work needing to be done (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/248803349942473)

Tuesday, January 20th, 2021: Jordan writes keyboard parts (https://www.instagram.com/p/CKR-T2IgVvj/)

Saturday, January 23rd, 2021: Mike finished recording the drum parts (https://www.facebook.com/100044384291096/posts/254438016045673/)

Friday, February 5th, 2021: Mike mentions progress, most likely for September release: https://mistresscarrie.com/the-mistress-carrie-podcast-35-mike-mangini/

Tuesday, February 16th,2021: Jordan is recording keyboard parts. (as per Patreon)

Sunday, February 21st, 2021: Preliminary mixing in progress (https://www.instagram.com/p/CLjsG-GJy6s/) Engineering is again handled by Jimmy T.  Jordan is still in the process of tracking his parts.

Wednesday, March 10th, 2021: Jordan finishes recording his keyboard parts (as per his Patreon)

Thursday, March 18th, 2021: Mike mentions DT15 featuring energetic songs: https://rockoverdose.gr/mike-mangini-dream-theater-on-rockoverdosethe-most-intense-memory-was-my-first-show-in-europe/
Monday, March 22nd, 2021: Final week of recording (as per Jordan's patreon) (as well as: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMw4rfHM34K/)
Saturday, March 27th, 2021: James finished recording. Recording process completed. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CM8IAmlMtIb/)
Friday, April 2nd, 2021: Final mix initiated. Andy Sneap highly likely confirmed to be mixing DT15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B9zussZbwQ&t=2202s)
Sunday, April 25th, 2021: Mike mentions "time consuming DT work will come in May" (my guess is some kind of promo related thing, more on that as it happens, of course) (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/309637230525751) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuxETd-iFm0) James confirms video shoot for single 1 and photo shoot for DT15
Monday, May 24th, 2021: Interviews finished (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/327762202046587)
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2021: Mastering initiated. (as per Jordan's Patreon)

Saturday, July 10th, 2021: Promo cycle initiated. Art by Hugh Syme: https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/posts/5788515877890372
Tuesday, July 20th, 2021: Epic confirmed (https://www.instagram.com/p/CRj6Wu-DtmY/)



July 28th: Press release day:

A View From The Top Of The World

1. The Alien (9:32)
2. Answering The Call (7:35)
3. Invisible Monster (6:31)
4. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Awaken The Master (9:47)
7. A View From The Top Of The World (20:24)

https://dreamtheater.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/DT-TopWorld-Cover-HR-1-scaled.jpeg

Engineering by James Meslin, Production by John Petrucci and James Meslin, Mixing and mastering by Andy Sneap

Release date: October 22nd, 2021



Friday, August 13th, 2021: The Alien released (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V462IsOV3js)







(sheet music excerpts: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/
)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: pg1067 on February 18, 2020, 11:08:45 AM
That would be an awfully quick turnaround for DT, who has been taking progressively more time between albums lately.

37 months between TA and DOT.

28 months between DT12 and TA.

24 months between ADTOE and DT12.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: MirrorMask on February 18, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
37 months between TA and DOT.

Well, this could be partially justified by the unexpected success of the Images and Words tour, which as far as I remember Bosk's comments, was meant to be a quick run before every promoter in the world wanted it "forcing" them to tour a year for it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
37 months between TA and DOT.

Well, this could be partially justified by the unexpected success of the Images and Words tour, which as far as I remember Bosk's comments, was meant to be a quick run before every promoter in the world wanted it "forcing" them to tour a year for it.

Exactly.  I don't think the 37 month gap was something they had pre-planned or something they plan on repeating in the near future.  If they started work on a new album the latter half of the year, and it came out in early or mid-2021, that would fit their typical cycle.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: Lowe2005 on February 18, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
It seemed to me that they could have released DOT a few months earlier than they did but held it back to be closer to the tour or something. Where was the original 'short run' for I,W&B meant to be? Anyway, it's nice to know that the 2.5 year and upwards gaps between albums haven't been intentional - TA took longer than expected because it took so much work and then DOT got pushed back by a big tour and then slightly by not getting it lost in the December/January period.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 12:45:42 PM
It seemed to me that they could have released DOT a few months earlier than they did but held it back to be closer to the tour or something.

Not really.  They finished recording it in late September.  Allowing for mixing, mastering, and post-production, and then the typical 10-week pressing and promotion cycle, that would put the release around mid-January to mid-March.  Since we got a February release, that's pretty much right on schedule.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: gzarruk on February 18, 2020, 10:57:48 PM
Looking forward to all of this :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 19, 2020, 01:52:26 PM
Looking forward to all of this :metal
very much so yes. I'm thoroughly interested to hear both what he will write on his solo album as well as how that will evolve on DT15. I'm sure he has good ideas (and he had them on every DT album already)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on February 19, 2020, 06:15:43 PM
Looking forward to The Astonishing Part 2.




:P :P
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Adami on February 19, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
Looking forward to The Astonishing Part 2.




:P :P

The Great Northern Empire Strikes Back.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 19, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
Looking forward to The Astonishing Part 2.




:P :P

The Great Northern Empire Strikes Back.
Followed by "Return Of Ravenskill"
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 20, 2020, 01:40:03 AM
How about The Faytheom Menace as a prequel?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: SebastiŠn Pratesi on February 20, 2020, 06:44:51 AM
thanks to Sebastiŗn for the idea.
Oh, thanks buddy. :smiley: It's amazing to know that a new album is already being talked about.

I hope you are well.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
I wonder how they can make this unique, or if it will "just" be another DT album.

Since Mangini joined we got:

- The classic back to the roots album
- The album with shorter songs and a bigass long epic
- The rock opera
- The heavy and concise album

Where do they go from here?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2020, 07:29:17 AM
The super crazy full-on prog album.

I mean, I hope.  But whatever they want to do is fine.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 20, 2020, 08:32:56 AM
The super crazy full-on prog album.

I mean, I hope.  But whatever they want to do is fine.

This :tup
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 20, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
I would like to hear more Octavarium style material. I just listened to that album and it sounds really fresh. Those songs are also in a good range for JLB.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: the_silent_man on February 20, 2020, 11:29:08 AM
The super crazy full-on prog album.

I mean, I hope.  But whatever they want to do is fine.

This, and I would like to see a return to (some) longer songs.
They've done well on DOT (and to a lesser extent the self titled) in proving they can still make shorter songs that are heavy proggy and classic DT - not just ballads!
Now I would like to see a couple of 10min+ songs chucked in to see how these would be tackled these days. Will have been 10 years since we've had an album like that when the new album comes out.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on February 20, 2020, 07:29:57 PM
The super crazy full-on prog album.

I mean, I hope.  But whatever they want to do is fine.

This, and I would like to see a return to (some) longer songs.
They've done well on DOT (and to a lesser extent the self titled) in proving they can still make shorter songs that are heavy proggy and classic DT - not just ballads!
Now I would like to see a couple of 10min+ songs chucked in to see how these would be tackled these days. Will have been 10 years since we've had an album like that when the new album comes out.

This, oh please this!  I love D/T, but I need more songs I can sink my teeth into, with plenty of noodling  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 26, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
I'd love an album with longer songs, too. Whatever they do, I'm sure I'll like it.

However, please don't put your awesome compositions in such a compressed sound please  :)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 26, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
I'd love an album with longer songs, too. Whatever they do, I'm sure I'll like it.

However, please don't put your awesome compositions in such a compressed sound please  :)
yes, I'd love longer pieces too
That was my attitude as well ever since Mike joined. And then D/T came out and that attitude was challenged. (that being said we are being spoiled by their consistency ever since he joined, so D/T is a step down for me). I'd love for Mike to use his larger kit again and that the music be more complex than D/T, and as hef said, the full on prog album. (or in other words, them not making D/T part 2 if you catch my drift.) Otherwise I'm grateful and I'm ready for DT15 now. (and of course, Mike's album as well)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: EPIC Outro on February 26, 2020, 05:41:21 PM

I think they should write 14 tracks, with each one meant to sound as if it could fit on one of their previous albums. That way, track 5 would logically have to be Metropolis pt. 3!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 26, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
(or in other words, them not making D/T part 2 if you catch my drift.)

It seems like when they make an album there is a conscious effort to not make too similar of an album as the most previous release.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Renzo on February 27, 2020, 03:24:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDyhyC8A5k

Apparently writing/recording session will start in winter. I expect DT15 to come out in May 2021.  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 27, 2020, 03:25:50 AM
If they hole up again in the studio they used for d/t (and I seem to understand that everyone loved the idea), I hope the atmosphere will inspire them for some emotional, moody winter-ish crazy stuff  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon
Post by: noxon on February 27, 2020, 05:08:23 AM
It seemed to me that they could have released DOT a few months earlier than they did but held it back to be closer to the tour or something.

The first version I heard was JUST out of mastering, which was late november. And then I raised some issues with how I thought the master sounded (too loud, too compressed) which was taken to heart and they actually did an on the fly remaster right there and then which was done a few weeks later. Then it went to pressing/printing. So there wasn't really a lot of time between finished version and release.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 27, 2020, 06:04:06 AM
You're actually responsable for making a DT slbum sound slightly better? wow  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on February 27, 2020, 06:35:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDyhyC8A5k

Apparently writing/recording session will start in winter. I expect DT15 to come out in May 2021.  :metal
...and in the fall another tour with someone else....is what I thought I heard....
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2020, 06:36:57 AM
You're actually responsable for making a DT slbum sound slightly better? wow  :hefdaddy

Not all heroes wear capes.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2020, 08:11:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDyhyC8A5k

Apparently writing/recording session will start in winter. I expect DT15 to come out in May 2021.  :metal
...and in the fall another tour with someone else....is what I thought I heard....
Maybe they will be opening for someone?  :omg:
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 27, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
I wonder how they can make this unique, or if it will "just" be another DT album.

Since Mangini joined we got:

- The classic back to the roots album
- The album with shorter songs and a bigass long epic
- The rock opera
- The heavy and concise album

Where do they go from here?

As long as it sounds as amazing as DOT, they can just shut up and take my money.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on February 27, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
How about a double CD in a similar vein of SDOIT?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 27, 2020, 06:23:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDyhyC8A5k

Apparently writing/recording session will start in winter. I expect DT15 to come out in May 2021.  :metal
...and in the fall another tour with someone else....is what I thought I heard....
Maybe they will be opening for someone?  :omg:

Most likely a co-headlining tour with another band. Either way, i'm hoping they play new D/T songs on that tour.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Blokhut on February 28, 2020, 03:26:46 AM
Looking forward to The Astonishing Part 2.




:P :P

The Great Northern Empire Strikes Back.
Followed by "Return Of Ravenskill"


Followed by Metropolis part III  ::)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 28, 2020, 03:55:55 AM
It seems quite a few people here have an issue with the loud/compressed sound of D/T. I would LOVE to hear a DT album recorded/mixed/mastered by Steven Wilson.

Yeah I know, but one can dream, right?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on February 28, 2020, 08:12:20 AM
Loud/compressed albums don't bother me that much.  I can see why it would bother some though.  I guess I find myself more interested in the song itself than how loud it is.

However, I do pay attention to how crisp and hard hitting the drums and guitar sound.  That's something I really like.  I love the sound of the guitars and drums in both DT12 and D/T.

I like the overall sound of TA but the sound of the drums and guitars don't give me that same "metal" excitement that the other two do.

ADToE, I don't like the sound of the drums and guitars very much at all.  But, I'm more focused on the songs themselves, so I still really love that album.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on February 28, 2020, 08:58:08 AM
It seems quite a few people here have an issue with the loud/compressed sound of D/T. I would LOVE to hear a DT album recorded/mixed/mastered by Steven Wilson.

Yeah I know, but one can dream, right?

I would say bring back Kevin Shirley. I think he did the best sounding DT albums. Awake was also incredible sounding and sounds amazing even today.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 28, 2020, 10:29:15 AM
It seems quite a few people here have an issue with the loud/compressed sound of D/T. I would LOVE to hear a DT album recorded/mixed/mastered by Steven Wilson.

Yeah I know, but one can dream, right?

I would say bring back Kevin Shirley. I think he did the best sounding DT albums. Awake was also incredible sounding and sounds amazing even today.
Kevin Caveman Shirley mixed some of Maidens post 2000 albums and it's kind of hit and miss. I think that might be because Steve Harris has a lot of say so, and he doesn't want his albums mastered.

D/T sounds great to me, especially the blu-ray version.  A huge difference from the cd!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on February 28, 2020, 11:32:36 AM
Loud/compressed albums don't bother me that much.  I can see why it would bother some though.  I guess I find myself more interested in the song itself than how loud it is.

Couldn't agree more.

However, I do pay attention to how crisp and hard hitting the drums and guitar sound.  That's something I really like.  I love the sound of the guitars and drums in both DT12 and D/T.
When I first spun up DT12 it was certainly noticeable that the snare sounded a little dull but that did not take away from my enjoyment of that record and the only thing that I would have recommended is that JP had fewer rhythm guitar parts on certain songs. D/T for me though is nearly perfect in the sound. MM's drums sound awesome!  :metal

I like the overall sound of TA but the sound the drums and guitars don't give me that same "metal" excitement that the other two do.
Well to my ears, I think this is where MM's drums start coming alive. The snare had more "crack" to it which captured beautifully on D/T. In fact, MM's parts on TA were out of sight.


ADToE, I don't like the sound of the drums and guitars very much at all.  But, I'm more focused on the songs themselves, so I still really love that album.
Now this one - I would love a remaster because the drums sound muddy but I love JP's guitar sound! In fact, I think he captures his quintessential guitar tone on BAI at the 3:46 mark. That certainly makes my horns go up!  :metal

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 28, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
How about a double CD in a similar vein of SDOIT?
Your post actually reminded me of what I'd love to see them do, which is what DT album #6 was originally supposed to be: a DT album influenced by world music. Of course, the night before they were to start writing what became SDoIT, JP and MP saw Pantera in concert, which motivated them to toss aside the world music idea and write TGP. And as it turned out, that was probably for the best since Steve Vai ended up using the same concept for his album in that same time period.

Now that it's been 19 years, I'd love to see them resurrect that idea and see what they came up with. It would definitely be something unique, but I'm sure they would also still keep it firmly within the scope of what DT sounds like, especially in light of the backlash they received from TA.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: noxon on February 29, 2020, 04:00:05 AM
What I find funny about the compression discussion is that Falling Into Infinity is "the gold standard" for what an album should sound like for DT, and it's also among the most compressed of them all. Just goes to show that average compression on an album is not always the best way to measure whether something sounds good or not.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on February 29, 2020, 12:50:45 PM
I don't think Falling into Infinity is that compressed; I just think it lacks great dynamic range, hence its poor score on the dynamic range scale.  I don't think lack of dynamic range automatically equals compression.

Heck, Falling into Infinity and A Dramatic Turn of Events have similar scores on the dynamic range, yet FII sounds really good and the music is allowed to breathe, while ADToE sounds like the music is being suffocated by the compression way too often.  I would probably listen to ADToE more than I do if it sounded a lot better.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: noxon on February 29, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
I mean, lack of dynamic range IS compression. That's the entire definition of compression (in the context of audio signal, not digital size reduction).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Volante99 on February 29, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
What I find funny about the compression discussion is that Falling Into Infinity is "the gold standard" for what an album should sound like for DT, and it's also among the most compressed of them all. Just goes to show that average compression on an album is not always the best way to measure whether something sounds good or not.

Do you have a source on this? To my knowledge FII is mastered hot but isnít compressed to the point of being clipped/brickwalled like DoT (the CD version, anyway). ADToE has its own problems but Iím not sure dynamic range is at the top of the list.

Agreed that dynamic range is NOT the end all be all for audio quality, however.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on February 29, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
I always find it interesting to read discussions about the production of Dream Theater albums, about how some albums are mixed well, some are mixed terrible, and how albums succeed or fail in other ways regarding their production...
Because to me, I hear absolutely no difference between albums. I guess I just care way more about the music itself than the technical production qualities associated with it, because I hear basically no differences between WDADU and Awake and Falling Into Infinity and Train of Thought and BC&SL and ADTOE and DOT in terms of production quality or anything like that.
And those are just the albums that are usually brought up when discussing album production; same goes for the other seven albums.
(Guess that's what happens to me when it feels like Dream Theater can pretty much do no wrong.)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: qed on March 01, 2020, 05:16:32 AM
It seems quite a few people here have an issue with the loud/compressed sound of D/T. I would LOVE to hear a DT album recorded/mixed/mastered by Steven Wilson.

Yeah I know, but one can dream, right?

I would say bring back Kevin Shirley. I think he did the best sounding DT albums. Awake was also incredible sounding and sounds amazing even today.

Bring Leon Zervos back .
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DoctorAction on March 01, 2020, 08:11:13 AM
I always find it interesting to read discussions about the production of Dream Theater albums, about how some albums are mixed well, some are mixed terrible, and how albums succeed or fail in other ways regarding their production...
Because to me, I hear absolutely no difference between albums. I guess I just care way more about the music itself than the technical production qualities associated with it, because I hear basically no differences between WDADU and Awake and Falling Into Infinity and Train of Thought and BC&SL and ADTOE and DOT in terms of production quality or anything like that.
And those are just the albums that are usually brought up when discussing album production; same goes for the other seven albums.
(Guess that's what happens to me when it feels like Dream Theater can pretty much do no wrong.)

Have you got the 25th anniversary edition of Images and Words where the intro of Metropolis on bagpipes and kazoo? What? You didn't notice?!?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on March 01, 2020, 07:41:36 PM
I always find it interesting to read discussions about the production of Dream Theater albums, about how some albums are mixed well, some are mixed terrible, and how albums succeed or fail in other ways regarding their production...
Because to me, I hear absolutely no difference between albums. I guess I just care way more about the music itself than the technical production qualities associated with it, because I hear basically no differences between WDADU and Awake and Falling Into Infinity and Train of Thought and BC&SL and ADTOE and DOT in terms of production quality or anything like that.
And those are just the albums that are usually brought up when discussing album production; same goes for the other seven albums.
(Guess that's what happens to me when it feels like Dream Theater can pretty much do no wrong.)

Same here, the only exception (a funny one to me) is the audible string strumming on ToT.  I guess JP's guitar was a little too close to the mic relative to the amp.  But I don't enjoy the album any less because of it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on March 01, 2020, 11:25:50 PM
What I find funny about the compression discussion is that Falling Into Infinity is "the gold standard" for what an album should sound like for DT, and it's also among the most compressed of them all. Just goes to show that average compression on an album is not always the best way to measure whether something sounds good or not.

This.

I've had this same discussion on this forum before.

Without the intention of being rude or offensive to anyone, but for me the Noxon's observation is very clear about the issue. There is so much compression discussions and DRC scores are objective measures of that. FII is as compressed as ADToE or DT12 or DOT. It is irrelevant what we think or what our opinions are. Hard science.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: noxon on March 02, 2020, 07:46:22 AM
The common way to measure compression is to look at the average, min and max loudness of an audio signal.

This is a database that compiles this loudness;
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/dr?artist=dream+theater

And it's been a little while since I looked at the waveforms themselves, but I seem to remember that the CD version of D/T was barely clipping at all, and that FII was actually clipping more than D/T. But the version of D/T I heard the first time around would've been at the top of the list I just linked to, and clipped a LOT.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on March 02, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
The common way to measure compression is to look at the average, min and max loudness of an audio signal.

This is a database that compiles this loudness;
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/dr?artist=dream+theater

And it's been a little while since I looked at the waveforms themselves, but I seem to remember that the CD version of D/T was barely clipping at all, and that FII was actually clipping more than D/T. But the version of D/T I heard the first time around would've been at the top of the list I just linked to, and clipped a LOT.

Question.  Do you know if this list also includes the albums you can buy off sites like HD Tracks?  It says "lossless download" but I don't know what that means.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lowe2005 on March 02, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
How about a double CD in a similar vein of SDOIT?
Your post actually reminded me of what I'd love to see them do, which is what DT album #6 was originally supposed to be: a DT album influenced by world music. Of course, the night before they were to start writing what became SDoIT, JP and MP saw Pantera in concert, which motivated them to toss aside the world music idea and write TGP. And as it turned out, that was probably for the best since Steve Vai ended up using the same concept for his album in that same time period.

Now that it's been 19 years, I'd love to see them resurrect that idea and see what they came up with. It would definitely be something unique, but I'm sure they would also still keep it firmly within the scope of what DT sounds like, especially in light of the backlash they received from TA.
The problem with the backlash to TA is, the band seem to see it as people weren't keen on them experimenting whereas I just felt like they didn't do enough experimenting and a lot of it was still quite 'safe'. There are some great bits throughout where they do try different stuff, like Lord Nafaryus, Three Days and A New Beginning, but then there's also a lot of stereotypical ballads and metal bits. Without trying to focus too much on the already done to death TA discussion, I'd just like them to try a lot of different things again. I feel like if you look at everything through to SC every album feels distinctly different to the last one, then up to DT12 they're still quite different album to album but if you look at the 4 Mangini-era albums together I don't feel like they've moved that far from ADTOE on DOT.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Volante99 on March 02, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
The common way to measure compression is to look at the average, min and max loudness of an audio signal.

This is a database that compiles this loudness;
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/dr?artist=dream+theater

And it's been a little while since I looked at the waveforms themselves, but I seem to remember that the CD version of D/T was barely clipping at all, and that FII was actually clipping more than D/T. But the version of D/T I heard the first time around would've been at the top of the list I just linked to, and clipped a LOT.

Here you go; found on Steve Hoffman
https://m.imgur.com/a/0Tvgcqq

Top is CD
Bottom is Apple/Itunes (apparently a different master than what was released on iTunes originally).

I think Iím just going to have to pony up some money for the blu-Ray version or try the (apparently) new iTunes files.

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on April 02, 2020, 05:57:46 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned, but with the DT guys sequestered it may present an opportunity for DT15 to be a Fragile type album with some individual compositions. Would be very curious to hear that.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 02, 2020, 06:35:18 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned, but with the DT guys sequestered it may present an opportunity for DT15 to be a Fragile type album with some individual compositions. Would be very curious to hear that.
well, IIRC Mike mentioned in one of his FB posts (some time last year after D/T came out) that he intends to contribute quite a bit more to DT15
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 02, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
How about a double CD in a similar vein of SDOIT?
Your post actually reminded me of what I'd love to see them do, which is what DT album #6 was originally supposed to be: a DT album influenced by world music. Of course, the night before they were to start writing what became SDoIT, JP and MP saw Pantera in concert, which motivated them to toss aside the world music idea and write TGP. And as it turned out, that was probably for the best since Steve Vai ended up using the same concept for his album in that same time period.

Now that it's been 19 years, I'd love to see them resurrect that idea and see what they came up with. It would definitely be something unique, but I'm sure they would also still keep it firmly within the scope of what DT sounds like, especially in light of the backlash they received from TA.
The problem with the backlash to TA is, the band seem to see it as people weren't keen on them experimenting whereas I just felt like they didn't do enough experimenting and a lot of it was still quite 'safe'. There are some great bits throughout where they do try different stuff, like Lord Nafaryus, Three Days and A New Beginning, but then there's also a lot of stereotypical ballads and metal bits. Without trying to focus too much on the already done to death TA discussion, I'd just like them to try a lot of different things again. I feel like if you look at everything through to SC every album feels distinctly different to the last one, then up to DT12 they're still quite different album to album but if you look at the 4 Mangini-era albums together I don't feel like they've moved that far from ADTOE on DOT.
It's true that a big chunk of fans didn't like TA, but I don't know how much of it was truly from them experimenting - SDoIT was an experimental album, and it's one of the most highly rated albums (at least on this website). I think a lot more of it was the storyline, the fact that the album was (for lack of a better phrase) ballad-heavy, it was the musical equivalent to a Broadway play, perhaps it was too long and it was lacking the song styles/structures that DT is known for (varying structures, with a good dose of balls'n'chunk and different instrumental sections interspersed).

If they were to do a world music-influenced album (note: influenced - *not* a world music album), I would imagine they would learn from their experience with TA to make sure that it still has enough DT-ness to it that it wouldn't end up being as polarizing as TA ended up being.
 
 
Maybe this has been mentioned, but with the DT guys sequestered it may present an opportunity for DT15 to be a Fragile type album with some individual compositions. Would be very curious to hear that.
I'd be into that, especially if said solo compositions in addition to the album - as bonus tracks (ala Motley Crue's Quaternary EP) rather than part of the album proper.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on April 02, 2020, 06:17:43 PM

If they were to do a world music-influenced album (note: influenced - *not* a world music album), I would imagine they would learn from their experience with TA to make sure that it still has enough DT-ness to it that it wouldn't end up being as polarizing as TA ended up being.
 

I would hope they would not factor that in, actually. The biggest mistake a musician can make when writing music is worrying about fan reaction; how much fans like or dislike previous work should have zero impact on the new work you are making.  Artificially adding in DT-ness, which is how I took that phrase, could come across as too forced.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on April 07, 2020, 06:56:42 AM

If they were to do a world music-influenced album (note: influenced - *not* a world music album), I would imagine they would learn from their experience with TA to make sure that it still has enough DT-ness to it that it wouldn't end up being as polarizing as TA ended up being.
 

I would hope they would not factor that in, actually. The biggest mistake a musician can make when writing music is worrying about fan reaction; how much fans like or dislike previous work should have zero impact on the new work you are making.  Artificially adding in DT-ness, which is how I took that phrase, could come across as too forced.

Well, you can for sure bet that the band takes that into account. I think DoT is a testament of that, after deviating too much on The Astonishing and the backlash that followed.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on April 07, 2020, 07:03:55 AM

If they were to do a world music-influenced album (note: influenced - *not* a world music album), I would imagine they would learn from their experience with TA to make sure that it still has enough DT-ness to it that it wouldn't end up being as polarizing as TA ended up being.
 

I would hope they would not factor that in, actually. The biggest mistake a musician can make when writing music is worrying about fan reaction; how much fans like or dislike previous work should have zero impact on the new work you are making.  Artificially adding in DT-ness, which is how I took that phrase, could come across as too forced.

Well, you can for sure bet that the band takes that into account. I think DoT is a testament of that, after deviating too much on The Astonishing and the backlash that followed.

D/T is still a great album, but I agree that it feels like a result of the polarized reception to TA.

I personally liked TA. My only issue with it was the (IMO) cheesy ending to the story, but overall it's still a good album with some great moments.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 07, 2020, 07:10:40 AM
I went through my abridged version of it the other week, I still like it a lot. I'll admit it's not a timeless masterpiece, as you said good with moments of greatness, but those moments are many.

I still think that the initial run from the beginning up until Three Days (ideally, the ending of "Act I" if we call the rest of the first disc Act II and the second disc Act III) is absolutely fantastic and a great uninterrupted collection of awesome music. My muuuusic playeeeer aside maybe.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2020, 09:18:07 AM

If they were to do a world music-influenced album (note: influenced - *not* a world music album), I would imagine they would learn from their experience with TA to make sure that it still has enough DT-ness to it that it wouldn't end up being as polarizing as TA ended up being.
 

I would hope they would not factor that in, actually. The biggest mistake a musician can make when writing music is worrying about fan reaction; how much fans like or dislike previous work should have zero impact on the new work you are making.  Artificially adding in DT-ness, which is how I took that phrase, could come across as too forced.

Well, you can for sure bet that the band takes that into account. I think DoT is a testament of that, after deviating too much on The Astonishing and the backlash that followed.

D/T is still a great album, but I agree that it feels like a result of the polarized reception to TA.

I personally liked TA. My only issue with it was the (IMO) cheesy ending to the story, but overall it's still a good album with some great moments.

The ending reminds me of Disney endings. But I liked it. Because all the characters get resolved at the end. It's How music can be powerful.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on April 07, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
I still think that the initial run from the beginning up until Three Days is absolutely fantastic and a great uninterrupted collection of awesome music.

I agree! That initial run of songs is amazing! The second half of Disc 1 gets a bit too "ballady", so the pace is obviously slower and listening to the whole thing can be a bit tiring, but I'd say every song has GREAT moments anyway. I still think it's one of their best albums, despite the mixed reaction it had. Definitely the most ambitious project they've done so far.

D/T, in contrast, feels like a more relaxed, short album they did for fun, and man is it good :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
I am having ongoing technical issues with The Astonishing that are baffling and quite frustrating, and prevents me from listening to it as often as I would like.  For some reason, the coding for each track on that album is a mess, and it doesn't help that it is 2 disks.  For whatever reason, when downloading the tracks to a hard drive or my phone, they do not appear in order.  I have to go in manually and figure out how to get them to show up in the correct order.  And then it seems like every time either my music player app or Sonos app updates, it is all screwed up, and I have to figure it out all over again.  Quite annoying.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on April 07, 2020, 01:01:07 PM
I still think that the initial run from the beginning up until Three Days is absolutely fantastic and a great uninterrupted collection of awesome music.

I agree! That initial run of songs is amazing! The second half of Disc 1 gets a bit too "ballady", so the pace is obviously slower and listening to the whole thing can be a bit tiring, but I'd say every song has GREAT moments anyway. I still think it's one of their best albums, despite the mixed reaction it had. Definitely the most ambitious project they've done so far.

D/T, in contrast, feels like a more relaxed, short album they did for fun, and man is it good :metal

There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art! I compare it this way - 2112=SFAM and La Villa Strangiato = TA.

It was quite an accomplishment to write and record a rock opera. I just hope it gets made into a movie.  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on April 07, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
I am having ongoing technical issues with The Astonishing that are baffling and quite frustrating, and prevents me from listening to it as often as I would like.  For some reason, the coding for each track on that album is a mess, and it doesn't help that it is 2 disks.  For whatever reason, when downloading the tracks to a hard drive or my phone, they do not appear in order.  I have to go in manually and figure out how to get them to show up in the correct order.  And then it seems like every time either my music player app or Sonos app updates, it is all screwed up, and I have to figure it out all over again.  Quite annoying.

I had the same issue with TA and BC&SL. It kept playing song numbers from both disc next to each instead of the correct order by disc.

For example, Song #1 from Disc 1 plays and then jumps to Song #1 from disc 2. Then song #2 from both disc and so on.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2020, 01:09:22 PM
There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art!

Absolutely!  The only question is to what extent that also translates into it being a great album.  To me, it is easily an extremely good album.  Whether it reaches "great" or not, I'm still not quite sure.  But either way, I love it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2020, 01:14:55 PM
There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art!

Absolutely!  The only question is to what extent that also translates into it being a great album.  To me, it is easily an extremely good album.  Whether it reaches "great" or not, I'm still not quite sure.  But either way, I love it.
Same here.  I definitely love it.  But I still have no idea how to rank it among their other albums.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
Yeah, same.  I mean, it's not radically different from what they've done, so in theory, it shouldn't be hard to rank.  But for some reason, I just conceptually have a difficult time putting it up next to the rest of their discography and figuring out how it ranks.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Indiscipline on April 07, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art!

Absolutely!  The only question is to what extent that also translates into it being a great album.  To me, it is easily an extremely good album.  Whether it reaches "great" or not, I'm still not quite sure.  But either way, I love it.
Same here.  I definitely love it.  But I still have no idea how to rank it among their other albums.

Had the same dilemma for a while, then I decided it was to be ranked "laterally", so to speak, due to its particular nature. Now I have my favourite (I&W) as 1A and The Astonishing as 1B.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on April 07, 2020, 03:34:39 PM
There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art!

So is this:

(https://cdn.sanity.io/images/0pofe4lq/production/c6919f8ca694c40fecfbfc4cc878492c53afbdb9-3456x4309.jpg?w=1200&fm=webp)


I compare it this way - 2112=SFAM and La Villa Strangiato = TA.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/cY4CZjiRwlhFyQB6sw/source.gif)

Even if I liked TA, that would be a terrible analogy.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 07, 2020, 05:09:12 PM
I am having ongoing technical issues with The Astonishing that are baffling and quite frustrating, and prevents me from listening to it as often as I would like.  For some reason, the coding for each track on that album is a mess, and it doesn't help that it is 2 disks.  For whatever reason, when downloading the tracks to a hard drive or my phone, they do not appear in order.  I have to go in manually and figure out how to get them to show up in the correct order.  And then it seems like every time either my music player app or Sonos app updates, it is all screwed up, and I have to figure it out all over again.  Quite annoying.
I don't know what software you're using, but I know with iTunes, it's good to specify disc 1 and disc 2. So you select all the tracks, do a command-I (on a Mac - don't know the key command on PCs) and then specify the disc numbers. That way all the tracks should fall into place. If you're using some other software, I still would imagine that there is a similar settings window or page for songs/albums.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on April 07, 2020, 05:50:49 PM
1.  I also believe TA is a great album.

2. I know there are some audiophiles on this forum, but I'm not one of them.  I just don't see a reason in buying CD's anymore.  I always buy my music as mp3's.  So I don't have this "album songs out of order" problem.  Having said that, I do feel bad that some of you are.  I wish I had a solution for you.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on April 07, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
There's no way else to say it - TA is a work of art!

So is this:

(https://cdn.sanity.io/images/0pofe4lq/production/c6919f8ca694c40fecfbfc4cc878492c53afbdb9-3456x4309.jpg)


FIFY. I donít know what that is, but I like it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on April 07, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
It's definitely... Interesting.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 07, 2020, 08:07:44 PM
So I don't have this "album songs out of order" problem.  Having said that, I do feel bad that some of you are.  I wish I had a solution for you.

Can't you just change the tags? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2020, 10:55:12 PM
I loved DOT, but I'd love to see DT do something like a 30-40 minute single song or something.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on April 07, 2020, 11:38:15 PM
I loved DOT, but I'd love to see DT do something like a 30-40 minute single song or something.

This. I really want a 30+ minute song on the next album. It's been a while since we had a big epic.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2020, 12:06:52 AM
I loved DOT, but I'd love to see DT do something like a 30-40 minute single song or something.

This. I really want a 30+ minute song on the next album. It's been a while since we had a big epic.

And not a 6 Degrees type of thing.  One actual song, Edge of Sanity, Insomnium, Green Carnation kind.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 08, 2020, 01:08:40 AM
As for whether I'd want a 30 minute song on the album, it could be cool, but I don't know if I'd appreciate them actively trying to write a piece that long. I do worry that there would be a lot of fluff if they approached it like "let's write a 30 minutes song" as opposed "let's write a song & if it happens to be 30 minutes then so be it" (the latter was the mindset behind the Six Degrees suite if I remember correctly). It would be interesting for sure, but I wouldn't want it to feel forced.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2020, 01:10:29 AM
As for whether I'd want a 30 minute song on the album, it could be cool, but I don't know if I'd appreciate them actively trying to write a piece that long. I do worry that there would be a lot of fluff if they approached it like "let's write a 30 minutes song" as opposed "let's write a song & if it happens to be 30 minutes then so be it" (the latter was the mindset behind the Six Degrees suite if I remember correctly). It would be interesting for sure, but I wouldn't want it to feel forced.

What he said.


And I'm most certain you remember correctly about Six Degrees, they wanted a longer song, but tried to not go over 20 minutes or so, and ended up by doubling their set limit.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 08, 2020, 02:09:11 AM
As for whether I'd want a 30 minute song on the album, it could be cool, but I don't know if I'd appreciate them actively trying to write a piece that long. I do worry that there would be a lot of fluff if they approached it like "let's write a 30 minutes song" as opposed "let's write a song & if it happens to be 30 minutes then so be it" (the latter was the mindset behind the Six Degrees suite if I remember correctly). It would be interesting for sure, but I wouldn't want it to feel forced.

What he said.

I'm a she
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2020, 02:14:59 AM
D'uh, and it was even there under the avatar!  :facepalm: sorry.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 08, 2020, 02:35:17 AM
D'uh, and it was even there under the avatar!  :facepalm: sorry.

No problem~ :tup
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: qed on April 08, 2020, 04:57:46 AM
What I find funny about the compression discussion is that Falling Into Infinity is "the gold standard" for what an album should sound like for DT, and it's also among the most compressed of them all. Just goes to show that average compression on an album is not always the best way to measure whether something sounds good or not.

Compressed or not, there are only two types of sound: 1. Analog mix, and 2. Digital mix. Like, 70's Pink Floyd albums would sound better than anything else that was digitally mixed, and if you take seperate stems of those albums and mix them together in DAW, you will never achieve that original sound.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 08, 2020, 07:09:08 AM
Just a quick note: Since this is the timeline thread for DT15 (and to be honest, I don't mind the derailment. It happens, it's DTF innit :D ), in case and anytime you find new information on DT15 before me, please post it here and I will add it in ASAP, ok? Now carry on. 
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 08, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
2. I know there are some audiophiles on this forum, but I'm not one of them.  I just don't see a reason in buying CD's anymore.  I always buy my music as mp3's.
While I can't speak for anyone else, I like actually having something tangible in my hands. Honestly, I can't tell you the last time I actually listened to a CD, but I like having it instead of just some files sitting on my HD. And even then, when you purchase many CDs on Amazon, they give you the option to download MP3s of the album anyway, so that's always an extra benefit if you don't opt to RIP the CD yourself.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on April 08, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
2. I know there are some audiophiles on this forum, but I'm not one of them.  I just don't see a reason in buying CD's anymore.  I always buy my music as mp3's.
While I can't speak for anyone else, I like actually having something tangible in my hands. Honestly, I can't tell you the last time I actually listened to a CD, but I like having it instead of just some files sitting on my HD. And even then, when you purchase many CDs on Amazon, they give you the option to download MP3s of the album anyway, so that's always an extra benefit if you don't opt to RIP the CD yourself.

Ditto for me.  I almost always buy CDs.  The only album I can recall buying that wasn't on CD (and not including stuff bought in the days before CDs) is Nostradamus by Judas Priest.  Had I liked it, I may have bought the CD, but I didn't.  I have, however, downloaded several songs where I like a particular song but don't want the entire album.  Having sold my 2006 Honda CRV last year, I no longer own a CD player (other than the disc drive on my home computer), but I still want CDs.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on April 08, 2020, 04:43:58 PM
As for whether I'd want a 30 minute song on the album, it could be cool, but I don't know if I'd appreciate them actively trying to write a piece that long. I do worry that there would be a lot of fluff if they approached it like "let's write a 30 minutes song" as opposed "let's write a song & if it happens to be 30 minutes then so be it" (the latter was the mindset behind the Six Degrees suite if I remember correctly). It would be interesting for sure, but I wouldn't want it to feel forced.

While I agree, generally speaking, it's also true that DT always enter the studio with a set idea of what kind of album they want to make. Sure, things could change during the writing process, but they've said plenty of times in interviews that they usually have a meeting (most likely a call) before entering the studio where they discuss the direction they want their new album to take and what kind of approach are they going to use this time around. And, considering they usually want to make something different than the previous album(s), I'd say it's not too unrealistic to say they'd consider writing a big epic this time around. Whether that morphs into a 30 min song, or not, is another story :P
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on April 08, 2020, 09:23:28 PM
About this epic song discussion... I really would like them to make a 20, 30 minutes epic in next album. I don't know if anyone here shares this feeling, but I somewhat feel that the last "true epic" they did was Count of Tuscany. I love The Illumination Theory, but that middle part with sounds of nature and only orchestra gives me the strange sensation that this song is more like a suite of three songs that doesn't "sound" like one big epic, because of the total absence of the band in the middle part.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 08, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
No more 20+ minute songs please. You guys are talented enough to write a song that feels "epic" without being that long. Heck, At Wit's End feels epic and is <10 minutes.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: the_silent_man on April 09, 2020, 04:37:55 AM
Gotta be honest, I really can't see any work starting on DT15 until later this year/early next year. Of course they could write/record and transfer files from isolation, but I would personally rather they wait and work collaboratively like with DOT.

They have also rescheduled tour dates in November for Australia. Not sure what other areas were cancelled/postponed and whether they will reschedule these for after the Australia dates as well, so they could potentially be touring into spring 2021 on the DOT/SFAM tour still.

I would expect a late 2021 release at the earliest for the album, as much as I would like it sooner.

As others have mentioned, now is the perfect time for Petrucci to do his solo album and maybe LaBrie as well. I'm sure JR will record something as well given how prolific he is. I have a feeling if Petrucci does his album Mangini would be involved with that (since he's been doing all the G3/ guitiar camp things as well). As for Myung, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: utopiarun on April 09, 2020, 07:49:06 AM
No more 20+ minute songs please. You guys are talented enough to write a song that feels "epic" without being that long. Heck, At Wit's End feels epic and is <10 minutes.


This 100%. The last 2 epics Illumination Theory and Count of Tuscany IMO ran too long (sacrilege?) due to the breaks in both songs. DT except for ACOS is not really a 20+ minute song band. Don't force an epic, they can do a 10-12 minute song and make it epic.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 09, 2020, 07:51:39 AM
One of my favorite DT songs ever, Voices, is and feels epic and is "barely" 10 minutes long, it's full of twists and changes of mood.

Imagine that for whatever reason that song "had" to be 15 minutes long at least, it would have been a bloated disaster. Well, never say never, I guess you can attach somewhere another section that doesn't feel forced, but..... those 10 minutes are so full and there is no need for more.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on April 09, 2020, 08:05:32 AM
My top songs are the epics for the most part. But what I love about Dream Theater is their creativity and how each album has it's own personality. If their creativity busts out another Octavarium, great! But like was said before, DT can make a shorter song epic!. Six Degrees is cool because it is like many songs, yet all ties together. Nothing seems extraneous, like ItNoG which seems to be a tad repetitive at the end for me. I would bet all my TP that there will be something pretty long, as that is what they do and I believe JP has said that they have to work at making their songs short.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 09, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
I only want a 20+ minute song if it comes naturally. Illumination Theory sounded so forced to me.

Iíd like another album like DoT, a bunch of short concise songs, but with maybe a couple 10-15 minute songs on it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on April 10, 2020, 09:23:09 AM
I only want a 20+ minute song if it comes naturally. Illumination Theory sounded so forced to me.

Iíd like another album like DoT, a bunch of short concise songs, but with maybe a couple 10-15 minute songs on it.

What does forced even mean?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
I only want a 20+ minute song if it comes naturally. Illumination Theory sounded so forced to me.

Iíd like another album like DoT, a bunch of short concise songs, but with maybe a couple 10-15 minute songs on it.

What does forced even mean?

To me, it sounds like they pieced a bunch of random parts together just for the sake of having a 20 minute song. I still like the song, but it doesnít flow as well as the other ones.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on April 10, 2020, 12:51:56 PM
I only want a 20+ minute song if it comes naturally. Illumination Theory sounded so forced to me.

Iíd like another album like DoT, a bunch of short concise songs, but with maybe a couple 10-15 minute songs on it.

What does forced even mean?

To me, it sounds like they pieced a bunch of random parts together just for the sake of having a 20 minute song. I still like the song, but it doesnít flow as well as the other ones.

It's different for me. The beginning poses a question, the middle is thoughtfulness, after the middle, the answer. The music all goes together the way I hear it!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on April 10, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
I only want a 20+ minute song if it comes naturally. Illumination Theory sounded so forced to me.

Iíd like another album like DoT, a bunch of short concise songs, but with maybe a couple 10-15 minute songs on it.

What does forced even mean?

To me, it sounds like they pieced a bunch of random parts together just for the sake of having a 20 minute song. I still like the song, but it doesnít flow as well as the other ones.

I can see that.  It sounds more episodic I guess.  Certainly more so than say 8vm or ITPoE.  I still love it though.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 10, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
I have no problem with the "piecing together" of a song like IT (though I don't like the song much). I'd rather that approach than making sections repetitive and drawn out like songs on BC&SL. How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on April 10, 2020, 02:51:03 PM
Mmmm, I dunno, if the criteria for "forced" is piecing together songs then 2112 should be considered forced  because those songs are all pieced together by the Overture and I don't think that song sounds forced.

So that begs the question of, what songs in the DT catalog seems unforced?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on April 10, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
I have no problem with the "piecing together" of a song like IT (though I don't like the song much). I'd rather that approach than making sections repetitive and drawn out like songs on BC&SL. How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

This. Most songs on Black Clouds feel longer than they should. AROP, TBOT and ANTR feel like that to me, for example.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 10, 2020, 03:18:28 PM
How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

4 minute verse / chorus song with a 4 minute jam slapped in the middle, easy.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 10, 2020, 04:48:25 PM
How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

4 minute verse / chorus song with a 4 minute jam slapped in the middle, easy.

Touche, but I was thinking more of the quality of those two groups of 4 minutes, especially the latter. The first verse doesn't start till 1:00 in, and that first 1:00 is not interesting enough to last that long. I don't expect DT to write Highway to Hell (approx 3:30) but ACDC sure got a lot out of their verse/chorus and :20 second guitar solo.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on April 10, 2020, 05:13:53 PM
I have no problem with the "piecing together" of a song like IT (though I don't like the song much). I'd rather that approach than making sections repetitive and drawn out like songs on BC&SL. How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

This. Most songs on Black Clouds feel longer than they should. AROP, TBOT and ANTR feel like that to me, for example.

TBOT is 13:09 too long.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on April 10, 2020, 05:31:17 PM
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Northern Lion on April 10, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
I have no problem with the "piecing together" of a song like IT (though I don't like the song much). I'd rather that approach than making sections repetitive and drawn out like songs on BC&SL. How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

This. Most songs on Black Clouds feel longer than they should. AROP, TBOT and ANTR feel like that to me, for example.

TBOT is 13:09 too long.

 :lol  Yeah, I'd have to agree.  I recently made a DT epics play list and I didn't include this one.

But, to be fair to Mike, I bet this was a really hard song for him to write.  And, considering it's connection to his father, I completely understand why it has so much meaning for him.  And I'm really glad it does.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 10, 2020, 08:51:57 PM
TBoT was, along with ARoP the two drags on that album for me when I first got it. I liked the album, but it didn't live up to (MP's) hype, and not nearly as enjoyable as I found SC. I rarely listen to it, and still rate ARoP pretty low. But I've come around on TBoT. It's not a song I am goign to go out of my way to listen to, but it's better and more enjoyable than I thought it was upon release.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 11, 2020, 02:30:17 AM
How the hell is Rite of Passage almost 9 minutes long?

I know you mean that rhetorically, but I was bored earlier today, so here you go

Quote
0:00 Intro A
0:19 Intro B
0:38 Intro C

0:56 Verse 1
1:31 Pre-Chorus 1
1:49 Chorus 1
2:25 Fill
2:31 Intro B
2:50 Intro C

2:59 Verse 2
3:34 Pre-Chorus 2
3:53 Chorus 2
4:27 Fill
4:34 Intro B

4:52 Riff A
5:19 Riff B (Guitar solo starts)
5:32 Riff A
5:47 Riff C
6:00 Riff A
6:12 Riff B (Keys solo starts)
6:25 Riff A
6:40 Riff C (eeeeeerrrrrr)
6:53 Riff A (beep boop beep boop)
7:06 Transition out

7:14 Chorus 3
7:49 Fill
7:56 Intro B
8:14 Intro C
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2020, 04:03:55 AM
I liked that song a lot when it came out, but now I find it extremely bland and unambitious. Seeing the structure like that explains my dislike for it fairly well, even though there are similarly structured tracks that at least provide more interesting melodies and riffs.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on April 11, 2020, 04:39:25 AM
A Rite of Passage has the best chorus of the whole album, followed by ďhopelessly driftingĒ from ANTR, and the second verse has a kick-ass guitar part :angel: :metal
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: utopiarun on April 11, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
For some reason I had TBOT in my head the other day, so I threw it on. It had been a long time since I listened to it and I really enjoyed it. Is it the greatest song? No, but it's good and the guitar solo at the end may be the best JP has ever done. My god, is that awesome!!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on April 11, 2020, 10:07:38 AM
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think itís perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that ďspirit of radio introĒ section.
I think that SC and BC&SL are the only DT albums that would benefit with some editions in some songs.
And TA the only DT album that would benefit with some editions in many songs. :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on April 11, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think itís perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that ďspirit of radio introĒ section.
I think that SC and BC&SL are the only DT albums that would benefit with some editions in some songs.
And TA the only DT album that would benefit with some editions in many songs. :biggrin:

Cut off the slow intro???  :omg: Are ya daft man? :facepalm: That intro is what gives context to the soaring keyboard part at the 6:11 otherwise removing the intro takes all the emotion out of the song.

BTW, I was just thinking that the opening guitar riff reminded me of the beginning of "Spirit of Radio".  :tup
I also don't know what songs would benefit from "editions". What kinds of editions?

Also, you take that back about TA!!!  >:(
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
Cut off the slow intro???  :omg: Are ya daft man? :facepalm: That intro is what gives context to the soaring keyboard part at the 6:11 otherwise removing the intro takes all the emotion out of the song.

Also, it serves at a nice contrast to the actual start of the song. You hear the slow and sad melody and you go "d'uh, it's a song for a father who passed away, of course it's a melanchonic ballad", and then comes that uplifting, I&W-esque riff that kicks up a rocking song that celebrate good times and fond memories (before the more melanchonic second part of course). The first time I heard it, it put such a big smile on my face!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on April 11, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
I think that slow melody on TBoT at the begginnig really drags the song right in the begginng and I think that the "Spirit of Radio riff" would open better the song. Yes, of course, I know what the song is all about, but I read some MP interview that he wanted to focus the positive/uplifiting things in his life experience with his father on this song. But, to my perception, looking the song as a whole, that sad song's begginning had left things a bit more on the saddest side of the loss.
On Black Clouds I think the ANtR and ARoP solos should have half the musical bars that they actually have, because they drag a bit because of that.
On Systematic Chaos, I think Repetence should be shorter from "the voices part" on and The Ministry of Lost Souls should have the first half shortened. I don't know exactly where to cut, but, ITPoTE pt.2 also drags a bit.
As for TA, although it's an album that I really like, it had the potential of be the best DT album ever, if they approached it to a more traditional conceptual album structure (not a rock opera one) and with more instrumental passages in a more traditional DT's style.
Of course, all of that, for my personal wish/taste which it's... totally irrelevant for the DT's creativity! :lol.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2020, 12:24:27 PM
With all due respect to JPís epic ending solo, the slow intro is my favorite part of the song. So beautiful and soothing, and IMO the violin and acoustic guitar do the melodies the most justice.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DTA on April 11, 2020, 01:31:52 PM
Nearly every song from 6DOIT through BC&SL is too long, with the exception of most of 8VM. With MP being gone, the songs have gotten back to normal, unbloated lengths leading me to believe that MP was the one pushing for extending the songs through repetition. This is pretty evident when you hear Into The Blue and Open Up Your Eyes...some parts of those songs repeat endlessly. Edited versions of Black Clouds and Systematic Chaos would probably elevate those albums quite a bit in many people's rankings. It sucks because ARoP is a solid 4 1/2 minute song and ANTR is probably a really impactful 9 minute song...but of course, EPIC = BETTER  :-\
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 11, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
... leading me to believe that MP was the one pushing for extending the songs through repetition.

I thought that was generally accepted as fact(?)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2020, 04:42:14 PM
TBOT is all kinds of awesome!

I think itís perfect if we cut off that slow intro. Much better begginning with that ďspirit of radio introĒ section.

Oh man, I completely disagree. The intro is incredible. Totally sets the tone.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 22, 2020, 02:12:51 AM
It should be noted in this thread that James is building a home studio. While he might need it for all sorts of other projects (like his solo album, which is finally cooking properly), it's good news for DT15.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 22, 2020, 03:08:38 AM
It should be noted in this thread that James is building a home studio. While he might need it for all sorts of other projects (like his solo album, which is finally cooking properly), it's good news for DT15.
Cheers for the heads up, Mora. Just added it (and some other bits by JP that I missed), along with a general clean up of the title page.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 22, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
No problem, I should have remembered to give you a link too!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 07, 2020, 03:40:05 AM
JP mentions work on DT15 starting soon: https://www.instagram.com/p/CDjlmm4qGlb/
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 07, 2020, 04:24:48 AM
I'm not watching that for 50 mins. What did he say ?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 07, 2020, 04:27:09 AM
I'm not watching that for 50 mins. What did he say ?
neither did I really. In a nutshell, he said that the scheduling for DT15 changed and that they will start working on DT15 proper in the Autumn of this year. (seeing as MM announced that he will not do any masterclasses anytime soon. So that will mean "work" will resume soon, as it were. MM stopping doing masterclasses is not what JP said though. Sorry if that may be misunderstood.)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 07, 2020, 06:16:57 AM
Updated to include the most recent information. (thanks Kotowboy)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 07, 2020, 05:14:16 PM
Sweet! That could be as early as next month!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on August 07, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
Sweet! That could be as early as next month!

It's interesting that they could have it ready by the end of the year and most likely released very early next year, but it's possible there won't be any touring until mid 2021 at least (nobody really knows). Would they release it anyway without any solid touring plans?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 08, 2020, 12:01:10 AM
If they are able to - I wish they would release either an in the studio DVD with the album or them playing the whole album live at their new studio.

Bands seem to have just stopped doing special editions. Or at least film it and upload it to YouTube so there's no cost involved with the manufacturing etc.

But yeah - assuming they get back together in September to write the new album - they could have it tracked by October. And out for February -

- which would be two years since Distance Over Time. But I wouldn't be surprised if they hold it back til summer 2021 when they might be able to tour it.

---

Other than that - the production on the Portnoy-less albums has improved each time more or less. They should keep the same production team as on Distance Over Time

as that album sounded great. Also why not let Mangini track his drums in his own studio so he can get the sound he wants? His drums on his own YouTube channel sound massive.

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 08, 2020, 12:17:53 AM
Time between the start of recording & album release (according to Wikipedia):

WD&DU: July 1988 - March 1989 (8 months)
I&W: October 1991 - July 1992 (9 months)
Awake: May 1994 - October 1994 (5 months)
FII: June 1997 - September 1997 (3 months; but the recording was delayed by the record label, so they had plenty of time to rehearse the material)
SFAM: ??? - October 1999 (???)
SDOIT: March 2001 - January 2002 (10 months; double album)
TOT: March 2003 - November 2003 (8 months)
Octavarium: November 2004 - June 2005 (7 months)
SC: September 2006 - June 2007 (9 months)
BC&SL: October 2008 - June 2009 (8 months)
ADTOE: January 2011 - September 2011 (8 months)
DT12: January 2013 - September 2013 (8 months)
TA: January 2015 - January 2016 (12 months; double album)
D/T: June 2018 - February 2019 (8 months)

With this in mind, if the band is entering the studio in September-November 2020 & writing all their material from there (which I believe has been their process for every album since SDOIT), then a May-July 2021 release date is most likely.



Edit: Also just for fun, these are the actual recording times, not counting the extra months for distribution & promotion.

WD&DU: July 1988 - August 1988 (1 month; written pre-studio)
I&W: October 1991 - December 1991 (2 months; written pre-studio)
Awake: May 1994 - July 1994 (2 months; written pre-studio)
FII: June 1997 - July 1997 (1 month; written pre-studio)
SFAM: ???
SDOIT: March 2001 - August 2001 (5 months; double album)
TOT: March 2003 - September 2003 (6 months; but written in only 3 weeks)
Octavarium: November 2004 - February 2005 (3 months)
SC: September 2006 - February 2007 (5 months)
BC&SL: October 2008 - March 2009 (5 months)
ADTOE: January 2011 - May 2011 (5 months)
DT12: January 2013 - May 2013 (5 months)
TA: January 2015 - September 2015 (8 months; double album)
D/T: June 2018 - September 2018 (3 months; but written in only 18 days)



Edit 2: & here's the time between ending of recording to album release

WD&DU: August 1988 - March 1989 (7 months)
I&W: December 1991 - July 1992 (7 months)
Awake: July 1994 - October 1994 (3 months)
FII: July 1997 - September 1997 (2 months)
SFAM: ??? - October 1999 (???)
SDOIT: August 2001 - January 2002 (5 months)
TOT: September 2003 - November 2003 (2 months)
Octavarium: February 2005 - June 2005 (4 months)
SC: February 2007 - June 2007 (4 months)
BC&SL: March 2009 - June 2009 (3 months)
ADTOE: May 2011 - September 2011 (4 months)
DT12: May 2013 - September 2013 (4 months)
TA: September 2015 - January 2016 (4 months)
D/T: September 2018 - February 2019 (5 months)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 08, 2020, 12:46:38 AM
Normally bands leave *at least* three months from the end of mastering to the release date. 8 - 9 months is a bit excessive imo.

But it all depends on the climate in 2021...

Therapy? finished an album once and then the label folded and it was finally released after 1 year.

:P Lets hope that doesnt happen here !
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 08, 2020, 01:00:04 AM
Normally bands leave *at least* three months from the end of mastering to the release date. 8 - 9 months is a bit excessive imo.

I know. The 8 months is from beginning of recording to album release. DT also normally has 3 months or so from end of mastering to album release.  :P
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2020, 04:26:23 AM
Isn't three months the more or less universally adopted timeframe to build up the promotion of the album? announcement, interviews, videos, actual manufacturing and distribution etc.....
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 08, 2020, 04:31:51 AM
Isn't three months the more or less universally adopted timeframe to build up the promotion of the album? announcement, interviews, videos, actual manufacturing and distribution etc.....

Yes
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 08, 2020, 06:46:43 AM
Something I would love to see them do for their next album is to not set an arbitrary time limit for themselves in when they need to complete song writing. With this pandemic being what it is, and with them having their own studio now. why not allow the ideas to flow freely and to follow their muse? After tapping it out, they can select the best songs that fit together to make an album, and have a bunch of left over tracks that they can use for B-sides and/or a mid-tour secondary release, be it a full album or maybe an EP. Had they not been forced to continue writing back in 1996-97 for what became Falling Into Infinity, Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Hollow Years, New Millennium and Speak to Me would never exist.

And yeah, some other extras like an in-studio documentary, alternate versions of the album tracks (and by that, I don't mean just acoustic versions), another batch of interesting covers and/or the stems of at least some if not all the tracks on the album would be nice to have for a deluxe edition.

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 08, 2020, 07:04:50 AM
Something I would love to see them do for their next album is to not set an arbitrary time limit for themselves in when they need to complete song writing. With this pandemic being what it is, and with them having their own studio now. why not allow the ideas to flow freely and to follow their muse? After tapping it out, they can select the best songs that fit together to make an album, and have a bunch of left over tracks that they can use for B-sides and/or a mid-tour secondary release, be it a full album or maybe an EP. Had they not been forced to continue writing back in 1996-97 for what became Falling Into Infinity, Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Hollow Years, New Millennium and Speak to Me would never exist.

And yeah, some other extras like an in-studio documentary, alternate versions of the album tracks (and by that, I don't mean just acoustic versions), another batch of interesting covers and/or the stems of at least some if not all the tracks on the album would be nice to have for a deluxe edition.
I agree with most, if not all of this. I only would wish for two things (taking your "requests" (for lack of a more friendly word) into account as well): Put all the things you mentioned on the audio Bluray with a very dynamic mix (as with D/T, which was great IMHO) and release the audio Bluray combined with the CD version separately from a box set release as well. (so people wanting the hi res version don't need to buy a box set just for the audio Bluray.) Now for my other wish: DT15 should be as prog and as difficult and technical and as weird as possible. Them going fully blown bonkers, even on a double album, if you catch my drift. (that would entail Mike using his large kit again of course) Long pieces too. But either way, I'm as excited as can be right now. Sorry about being non-neutral. 
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: dvargas on August 08, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
I'm not watching that for 50 mins. What did he say ?
neither did I really. In a nutshell, he said that the scheduling for DT15 changed and that they will start working on DT15 proper in the Autumn of this year. (seeing as MM announced that he will not do any masterclasses anytime soon. So that will mean "work" will resume soon, as it were. MM stopping doing masterclasses is not what JP said though. Sorry if that may be misunderstood.)

Also confirms London DVD release towards the end of the year.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 09, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
As for the " take as long as they need " chat for the next album. I obviously agree 100%

However - with a band of five virtuosos - Petrucci often says they have too many ideas if anything since they will be jamming - and each member will have five ideas as to where to go next.

So I doubt they are forcing / rushing anything.

But whilst Portnoy takes a week to write and record an album and all his projects sound identical - I'd love to hear what all five guys in Dream Theater can come up with

given six months to really craft an ALBUM. The Astonishing took a year - it was literally just John and Jordan and that was 130 minutes long.

Imagine if all five guys took six months and they used the best ideas from everyone.

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on August 09, 2020, 02:49:28 PM
I'd like to see them experimenting a bit and maybe have each member (most likely not James, tho) bring a full song to the band sessions. Those wouldn't necessarily make it to the proper album, but since Inside Out always likes to offer special editions with bonus tracks, they could work as nice extras.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: 54_diplomats on August 09, 2020, 05:32:16 PM


But whilst Portnoy takes a week to write and record an album and all his projects sound identical

Random shade to throw out but ok.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 10, 2020, 06:32:41 AM
I notice you didn't try to refute my claim.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 10, 2020, 06:33:29 AM
I'd like to see them experimenting a bit and maybe have each member (most likely not James, tho) bring a full song to the band sessions. Those wouldn't necessarily make it to the proper album, but since Inside Out always likes to offer special editions with bonus tracks, they could work as nice extras.

If I was Labrie i'd feel really left out not being able to play a melodic instrument - and I'd have definitely learned to play something in the 30 years since i'd been in the band.

Why not when you have literally the 4 best FREE teachers you could ask for ?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: 54_diplomats on August 10, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
I notice you didn't try to refute my claim.
I haven't listened to any of his projects, they don't interest me that much. My point still stands though, rather random comment to make. Seems Portnoy still lives rent free in some peoples heads 10 years after his departure.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on August 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
Looks like DT is going to start writing for the new album this fall.

https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/in-the-studio/dream-theater-to-work-on-a-new-album-this-fall
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 10, 2020, 12:37:32 PM
Looks like DT is going to start writing for the new album this fall.

https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/in-the-studio/dream-theater-to-work-on-a-new-album-this-fall
this is what I indicated on the title page. It is constantly updated to reflect new developments.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 10, 2020, 04:53:53 PM
I notice you didn't try to refute my claim.
I haven't listened to any of his projects, they don't interest me that much. My point still stands though, rather random comment to make. Seems Portnoy still lives rent free in some peoples heads 10 years after his departure.

So You havent listened to any of them but you just know they don't all sound the same.


Weird Flex But Ok.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 10, 2020, 07:25:09 PM
He wasn't arguing whether they sound the same or not, he's just saying that it was a weirdly irrelevant comment to make in a post that otherwise has nothing to do with MP.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: 54_diplomats on August 10, 2020, 07:45:05 PM
I notice you didn't try to refute my claim.
I haven't listened to any of his projects, they don't interest me that much. My point still stands though, rather random comment to make. Seems Portnoy still lives rent free in some peoples heads 10 years after his departure.

So You havent listened to any of them but you just know they don't all sound the same.


Weird Flex But Ok.

I never made that claim. Also wouldn't call that a flex.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 11, 2020, 03:51:47 AM
The thread is about the next DT album.

MP is an ex member of DT.

He famously likes to throw out albums as quickly as he can.

The discussion was about DT taking their time with the next album.

^ Hope this helps.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 11, 2020, 07:25:36 AM
The thread is about the next DT album.
Which MP will have nothing to do with, just as he hasn't for the last 4 albums. Therefore, your excuse of trying to include him is rendered moot.

That said, you famously like to throw out every negative comment about MP as quickly as you can, so this shouldn't be surprising.

^ Hope this helps.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 11, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
By the way, I'd like to say two things concerning this thread: 1.) In case you may find new relevant information before me (which is possible), please post it here and I'll add it in to the title page.
2.) How do you like the new "streamlined" design of the title page? Any requests or ideas for improvement?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on August 11, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
By the way, I'd like to say two things concerning this thread: 1.) In case you may find new relevant information before me (which is possible), please post it here and I'll add it in to the title page.
2.) How do you like the new "streamlined" design of the title page? Any requests or ideas for improvement?

I just looked back at the first post in the thread for the first time since the thread was created, and I have a question (or I guess more of a comment).

On May 20, 2020, JR posted a picture of a screen of music notation with the caption, "In case you are wondering what Iím working on in the studio."  Why are you interpreting that to mean that he is "collecting ideas" in connection with DT15?

Similarly, on April 14, 2020, JP posted a photo of one of his guitars with the caption (in pertinent part), "spending many hours practicing and creating a lot of music on this beauty!"  Again, you've got this under the "collecting ideas" heading.

Seems to me that neither of these posts have anything to do with DT15.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 11, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
By the way, I'd like to say two things concerning this thread: 1.) In case you may find new relevant information before me (which is possible), please post it here and I'll add it in to the title page.
2.) How do you like the new "streamlined" design of the title page? Any requests or ideas for improvement?

I just looked back at the first post in the thread for the first time since the thread was created, and I have a question (or I guess more of a comment).

On May 20, 2020, JR posted a picture of a screen of music notation with the caption, "In case you are wondering what Iím working on in the studio."  Why are you interpreting that to mean that he is "collecting ideas" in connection with DT15?

Similarly, on April 14, 2020, JP posted a photo of one of his guitars with the caption (in pertinent part), "spending many hours practicing and creating a lot of music on this beauty!"  Again, you've got this under the "collecting ideas" heading.

Seems to me that neither of these posts have anything to do with DT15.
they might not have anything to do with DT15, or they actually might. I didn't know at the time. I still don't now. Then again, John's post might have been related to Terminal Velocity.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 11, 2020, 03:02:58 PM
The thread is about the next DT album.
Which MP will have nothing to do with, just as he hasn't for the last 4 albums. Therefore, your excuse of trying to include him is rendered moot.

That said, you famously like to throw out every negative comment about MP as quickly as you can, so this shouldn't be surprising.

^ Hope this helps.

Relax cupcake I was mostly joking around. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that Portnoy was on Petrucci's solo album. I was ready to give Sons of Apollo a go until him and DS ( mostly DS )

started being passive aggressive children. But I have listened to most of MPs post - DT projects and nothing has really grabbed me.

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 12, 2020, 12:10:14 PM
Relax cupcake I was mostly joking around.
As was I, sweetheart.  :-*
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 28, 2020, 06:08:10 AM
edited to include most recent info (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953  -"[...] Oct into Nov is booked[...]")
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: V_R11 on August 28, 2020, 06:45:04 AM
edited to include most recent info (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953  -"[...] Oct into Nov is booked[...]")

I follow MM on Facebook, read this but didn't connect the dots at all :facepalm:

If that IS the case, how soon can we expect an album? DoT was recorded during the summer and released next February, yes?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 28, 2020, 06:50:34 AM
edited to include most recent info (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953  -"[...] Oct into Nov is booked[...]")

I follow MM on Facebook, read this but didn't connect the dots at all :facepalm:

If that IS the case, how soon can we expect an album? DoT was recorded during the summer and released next February, yes?
D/T was recorded from June-September of 2018 and released in Febuary of 2019 yes. (or, to be a bit more exact, the writing stage was from June-July of 2018 (in some period of 18 days in that month) and then recording was from July 18th to September 14th of 2018)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 28, 2020, 07:14:06 AM
edited to include most recent info (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953  -"[...] Oct into Nov is booked[...]")

I follow MM on Facebook, read this but didn't connect the dots at all :facepalm:

If that IS the case, how soon can we expect an album? DoT was recorded during the summer and released next February, yes?

I said it in a few posts before, but every MM-era DT album (aside from TA) has had 8 months from the beginning of recording to the album's release date. If recording for DT15 is starting in October 2020, then we can expect to get DT15 in June 2021 (assuming it's not another double-CD rock opera).
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Trav86 on August 28, 2020, 07:26:13 AM
That doesnít seem like enough time. More than likely they will record until into Nov, then take a break for the holidays. Then reconvene in January.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 28, 2020, 07:27:10 AM
edited to include most recent info (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/3239221159459953  -"[...] Oct into Nov is booked[...]")

I follow MM on Facebook, read this but didn't connect the dots at all :facepalm:

If that IS the case, how soon can we expect an album? DoT was recorded during the summer and released next February, yes?

I said it in a few posts before, but every MM-era DT album (aside from TA) has had 8 months from the beginning of recording to the album's release date. If recording for DT15 is starting in October 2020, then we can expect to get DT15 in June 2021 (assuming it's not another double-CD rock opera).
this time around, (owing to the current situation) I wouldn't be surprised if they were to start the process with at least some things being pre-written already, but what do we know innit.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on August 28, 2020, 02:42:20 PM
every MM-era DT album (aside from TA) has had 8 months from the beginning of recording to the album's release date. If recording for DT15 is starting in October 2020, then we can expect to get DT15 in June 2021.

I don't know why, but I was expecting a much earlier release date :lol, but you're totally right, that's how long it has taken them before (not counting TA) so it's pretty safe to expect a similar scenario here.

Interesting that only a month has been booked (that we know of), could that mean they plan to spend that month only writing and demoing (via Zoom or whatever) and then everyone recording remotely? If everybody properly records to the demos they previously made, that could speed up the recording process, as they could all record simultaneously (is that a thing?). However, releasing the album a bit later in the year (mid 2021-ish) would make more sense with touring being a possibility around then (who knows, though).
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 29, 2020, 12:42:51 AM
Interesting that only a month has been booked (that we know of), could that mean they plan to spend that month only writing and demoing (via Zoom or whatever) and then everyone recording remotely?

There's a few possibilities here:
1) You're right & everything will be recorded remotely.
2) Trav is right & they're going to take a break from recording for the holidays.
3) MM will do Zoom lessons alongside recording, but wants to focus on recording completely for the first two months (when most or all of the composition will probably take place).
4) The band wants to split up the recording process into smaller parts instead of one continuous 5ish-month session (the other 3 months in the 8 months I mentioned was dedicated to mastering & promotion).
5) The recording session is actually for an EP & not a full album.
6) MM's unavailability for those months is for something completely unrelated & JP was wrong about them being able to go into the studio in nothern Autumn.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: GasparXR on September 07, 2020, 11:34:30 PM
Interesting that only a month has been booked (that we know of), could that mean they plan to spend that month only writing and demoing (via Zoom or whatever) and then everyone recording remotely?

There's a few possibilities here:
1) You're right & everything will be recorded remotely.
2) Trav is right & they're going to take a break from recording for the holidays.
3) MM will do Zoom lessons alongside recording, but wants to focus on recording completely for the first two months (when most or all of the composition will probably take place).
4) The band wants to split up the recording process into smaller parts instead of one continuous 5ish-month session (the other 3 months in the 8 months I mentioned was dedicated to mastering & promotion).
5) The recording session is actually for an EP & not a full album.
6) MM's unavailability for those months is for something completely unrelated & JP was wrong about them being able to go into the studio in nothern Autumn.

Another Dream Theater EP would be really interesting! It would be a cool way for them to use some of their unused song ideas that don't have much relation to one another into a smaller package. Or maybe even, just one long epic track like ACOS again.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on September 08, 2020, 06:37:13 AM
Interesting that only a month has been booked (that we know of), could that mean they plan to spend that month only writing and demoing (via Zoom or whatever) and then everyone recording remotely?

There's a few possibilities here:
1) You're right & everything will be recorded remotely.
2) Trav is right & they're going to take a break from recording for the holidays.
3) MM will do Zoom lessons alongside recording, but wants to focus on recording completely for the first two months (when most or all of the composition will probably take place).
4) The band wants to split up the recording process into smaller parts instead of one continuous 5ish-month session (the other 3 months in the 8 months I mentioned was dedicated to mastering & promotion).
5) The recording session is actually for an EP & not a full album.
6) MM's unavailability for those months is for something completely unrelated & JP was wrong about them being able to go into the studio in nothern Autumn.

Another Dream Theater EP would be really interesting! It would be a cool way for them to use some of their unused song ideas that don't have much relation to one another into a smaller package. Or maybe even, just one long epic track like ACOS again.

Another epic just like ACOS would be awesome!!!  :metal

Maybe about 30 minutes long, divided in 4 parts, or just a whole thing. With a cool concept, exploring different musical aspects of the band.

I can't get rid of the idea of a song or an album called "Hidden by design". It would be really cool to explore the concept behind 137, expand the musical ideas in the song, idk  :D

I'm just very excited to hear new DT music, it would make this year a lot better!
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 10, 2020, 02:06:18 PM
OK guys, so, as was posted today, DT will postpone the Australian dates into next year. That might impact the timeline for DT15. Or it might not. Just a heads-up. Carry on.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Another album in the style of Distance Over Time would do me.

I'm so over 20+ minute songs and Illumination theory was hardly one of their best 'epics'.

Since Octavarium the quality has really dropped.

ITPOE part 1 is good but i don't really like Part 2. The Count of Tuscany is not bad but it's no Octavarium and Illumination Theory is patchy.

I'd rather another 60 - 75 minute album with 9 - 10 tracks of decent length.

No more :

9 : The Epic Epic of Epic
i. blah
ii. blah de blah
iii. blahhhhh
iv. Blah de bla blah
v. Blah reprise




----


OH AND PLEASE - another pro - shot live in the studio DVD. We've not really had one since Systematic Chaos. That was way back in 2007.

If DT15 comes out next year - that's very nearly 15 years.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Polarbear on September 13, 2020, 01:48:16 AM
Another album in the style of Distance Over Time would do me.

I'd rather another 60 - 75 minute album with 9 - 10 tracks of decent length.

I thought that D/T was their best album in a really long time, so I have to agree.

Songs like Barstool Warrior and S2N are so much more memorable, compared to a bloated and uninspired epic like Illumination Theory.

In fact, I thought that At Wit's End was their best "Epic" in a really long time, despite only being 9 minutes and change.

Maybe they have realized what Rush realized with Permanent Waves, that progressive and interesting songs don't necessarily mean 20 minute songs with 5 minute instrumental sections.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Trav86 on September 13, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
Another album in the style of Distance Over Time would do me.

I'm so over 20+ minute songs and Illumination theory was hardly one of their best 'epics'.

Since Octavarium the quality has really dropped.

ITPOE part 1 is good but i don't really like Part 2. The Count of Tuscany is not bad but it's no Octavarium and Illumination Theory is patchy.

I'd rather another 60 - 75 minute album with 9 - 10 tracks of decent length.

No more :

9 : The Epic Epic of Epic
i. blah
ii. blah de blah
iii. blahhhhh
iv. Blah de bla blah
v. Blah reprise




----


OH AND PLEASE - another pro - shot live in the studio DVD. We've not really had one since Systematic Chaos. That was way back in 2007.

If DT15 comes out next year - that's very nearly 15 years.

^ All of this.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on September 13, 2020, 11:53:54 AM
While I agree this compact song approach is working really well for them, since the last 3 albums have been all about shorter songs (exept IT), I'd like to see a change this time, and wouldn't mind getting an album with longer songs or a big epic.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on September 13, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
While I agree this compact song approach is working really well for them, since the last 3 albums have been all about shorter songs (exept IT), I'd like to see a change this time, and wouldn't mind getting an album with longer songs or a big epic.
I am in this camp and really love IT and ItPoE 1&2 played as one song.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on September 13, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
I don't think we could get a bigger epic than the entire The Astonishing. And given that four albums of the five that preceeded it featured 20-minute-long suites, they might give that a break for a couple more albums.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 13, 2020, 03:07:50 PM
OK guys, so, as was posted today, DT will postpone the Australian dates into next year.
Where was this posted? The official website still shows the Australian and Japanese dates happening in November.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 13, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
OK guys, so, as was posted today, DT will postpone the Australian dates into next year.
Where was this posted? The official website still shows the Australian and Japanese dates happening in November.
here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/posts/4358118274263480 (and on DT's Facebook as well here: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/10157351340577181) And yes, I know it would have been wiser of me to indicate the links right away. Sorry.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on September 14, 2020, 12:54:42 AM
I would love a six degrees or SFAM experience again.
On the other hand, a really proggy album like I&W would surely do too !

But what I don't wish for is an album full of mandatory
-Mandatory wall of sound mastering that kills dynamics and compresses everything
-Mandatory Mangini drumkit, more lively drumskins wouldn't kill, even if I don't ask for sepultura sound either
-Mandatory 1/2 ballads
-Mandatory Radio tunes
-Mandatory pushing back keyboards or bass. in a proggy way a breathing mix with all instruments is so nice
-Mandatory neo-metal/djenting... Unless it serves a purpose higher than pleasing the nowadays teenagers :D

I look like listing things worse than a Karen, but there are a lot of things I easily enjoy as soon as I hit play with DT, like epicness, virtuosity and some kind of storytelling and emotion
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2020, 04:22:14 AM
Wishlists are tricky in music because it's not a mathematical equation, but it has more to do with feelings. With Distance Over Time DT did EVERYTHING I agreed with (working together, more inclusion, more direct songs, no wanking, heavy but not overboard with it), and yet I find myself coming back very rarely to the last album.

I'll just trust them to know what they're doing, as a gut feeling I'd like a bit more of variety, not an all heavy album with the mandatory ballad, I'd wish for more unusual stuff, like dunno - an opener that flies by and you don't even notice it's 10 minutes long, a weird and off field tune, a song that starts slow and has a gradual crescendo like Octavarium but doesn't need 24 minutes to do it, stuff that makes you think "wow, they never really did this kind of song before". But as I said, I'll just trust them to capitalize on the positive and fulfilling experience that recording d/t was, and do whatever they feel like doing.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on September 14, 2020, 07:27:34 AM
My wish list is that DT fans stop bitching and whining about what they want and what they don't want.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 14, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
My wish list is that DT fans stop bitching and whining about what they want and what they don't want.

Pssh. That's any band.

The only thing I'd want the band to do at this point. Is The Astonishing with Full Orchestra and Choir, with guest vocalists. Filmed and with some production like The Theater Equation.

The next album, I don't care what they do. D/T satisfied my Dream Theater hunger, and I'm now full and everything else after is just dessert.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on September 14, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
I really don't know what I want at this point. After ADTOE and DT12 I wanted them to make a more melodic and conceptually structured album. So they released TA which I didn't warm up to at all - I still rank it dead last of all their albums. Shorter songs or longer epics, melodic or heavier, concept or no concept - I guess it all depends on the end results for me.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on September 14, 2020, 09:31:27 AM
My wish list is that DT fans stop bitching and whining about what they want and what they don't want.

There would be no DTF then :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 14, 2020, 11:11:37 AM
Iíd be satisfied with another DoT only with a couple songs that are 10-15 minutes. But whatever they do Iím sure will be awesome.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on September 14, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
I LOVE TV but that's not surprising as I expect this kind of work from JP.

What puzzles me is that the same people who like this album are some of the same people who dislike D12 and the TA. JP and JR have been the melodic voice of DR and once MP left the band it was immediately apparent as to whom was responsible to the melody aspect of DT.
DT12 and TA are chock full of melodic moments and I can hear plenty of moments reminiscent of D12 and even Systematic Chaos.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on September 14, 2020, 02:48:30 PM
Perhaps a more organic approach to the vocals. . JLB has a very nice natural sounding voice, so stay away from the chorus effect.  Delay is ok because it gives a live feel to the music, but chorus changes the tone too much.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 14, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
Perhaps a more organic approach to the vocals. . JLB has a very nice natural sounding voice, so stay away from the chorus effect.  Delay is ok because it gives a live feel to the music, but chorus changes the tone too much.

Could be JLB himself who prefers the chorus.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 14, 2020, 05:24:17 PM
OK guys, so, as was posted today, DT will postpone the Australian dates into next year.
Where was this posted? The official website still shows the Australian and Japanese dates happening in November.
here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/posts/4358118274263480 (and on DT's Facebook as well here: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/10157351340577181) And yes, I know it would have been wiser of me to indicate the links right away. Sorry.
Thanks for those links, Max. Makes me wonder why they didn't post the same/similar thing for the Japanese dates....
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on September 15, 2020, 12:41:47 AM
Wishing for people not liking wishlists not to whine on a on-topic wishlist convo :D

Maybe the difference without MP is that they do less "inspiration corner" listening to other artists CDs and get inspired, like never enough vs stockholm syndrome from muse etc...
We do get a lot of metallica vibes and some solos have hints of satriani etc...But I lack this expansion, assimilating new styles and details.

Not wishing for djent, or polyphia styled bleeps and bloops tho

I mean if we can get an album with songs as diverse as in SFAM, like home is just wow!

ADTOE was very diverse, but it's a little special since it was a transition and they probably had a lot of song material to use...idk
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 15, 2020, 06:46:20 AM
I mean if we can get an album with songs as diverse as in SFAM, like home is just wow!
You mean with it's 46 and 2 inspired bass line?    ;) ;D

But yeah, I agree in general with what you're saying.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
I just hope they have fun while creating the new music. 
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on September 16, 2020, 12:48:23 AM
I just hope they have fun while creating the new music.

This is the most important. Not being "forced" to write something to appeal to the (super demanding) audience.
Just have fun, explore new stuff, allow everyone to express their ideas, and let the music breathe.

I wouldn't mind more "epic" songs of course, and i would definitely expect the same (and better) sound quality as on DoT.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 16, 2020, 07:43:54 AM
I really donít know where they would go from D/T. Theyíve almost written every type of song you could ask from the band. I suppose Iíd like to see a 30 odd minute song from them just to see how theyíd approach it structure-wise and maybe another instrumental. Maybe a suite like mind beside itself? All I know is they tend to do something at least slightly different each time so Iím not expecting D/T#2. I enjoy everything they put out anyway so Iím sure whatever they write will make me happy.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2020, 02:48:53 AM
Well now that they have their own studio - they can literally take as long as they want.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 17, 2020, 03:21:00 AM
I really donít know where they would go from D/T. Theyíve almost written every type of song you could ask from the band. I suppose Iíd like to see a 30 odd minute song from them just to see how theyíd approach it structure-wise and maybe another instrumental. Maybe a suite like mind beside itself? All I know is they tend to do something at least slightly different each time so Iím not expecting D/T#2. I enjoy everything they put out anyway so Iím sure whatever they write will make me happy.

Yeah, we could have a debate, which couple of albums had less differences? probably Systematic Chaos > Black Clouds and Dramatic > DT12, and they're not even that similar anyway.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: GasparXR on September 21, 2020, 08:32:38 PM
-Mandatory neo-metal/djenting... Unless it serves a purpose higher than pleasing the nowadays teenagers :D

I'm pretty confident that most djent listeners are in their 20s/30s than anything else lol

I think I will echo the sentiment that I hope they just have fun. That worked out really well with DOT.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on September 23, 2020, 09:53:00 AM
DT are teasing big news coming soon in their social media accounts. Most likely it'll be about the new live album, but they're supposed to start working on DT15 very soon, so I'm posting this here as it might be related.

Edit: Nevermind, it's about the live album :lol
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 23, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
DT are teasing big news coming soon in their social media accounts. Most likely it'll be about the new live album, but they're supposed to start working on DT15 very soon, so I'm posting this here as it might be related.

Edit: Nevermind, it's about the live album :lol
for now it is, but then again (remember James is at a place like the barn), they may speak about DT15 starting as well. What do we know innit. It might be both. Either way, I'll update the thread once we know a bit more.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on September 28, 2020, 10:44:15 AM
I'd like to see the band try something different with their sound on DT15 but I doubt that will happen.
Yes, I know The Astonishing was 'different' but the sound of the band has remained unchanged since Portnoy left, even on TA. It was a "Disney-fied/Broadway-inspired" version of what the band sounds like in the 2010s.

Every album from WDADU to ADTOE there was an evolution in the band's overall sound, in one way or another, even if sometimes the band claimed to be doing a "back to roots" thing every few albums.

With DoT, that was another attempt at "back to roots" but I don't hear it, unless back to roots is "back to ADTOE." The sound of the band remains the same 4 albums post-Portnoy, all the band did on DoT was cut the fat compositionally compared to ADTOE, but they did that on DT12, sans IT; and DoT present a more edgy production and give the drums a boost, which is a positive, but long over-due.

Say what you want, and it was controversial when it came out, but Train of Thought was something radically different, though preceded with The Glass Prison, maybe Home, and a couple of other earlier songs. The raw heaviness was genuine, unlike the "look at our well-made metal music" trend that's been going on throughout their albums since basically Systematic Chaos.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 05, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
edited to reflect newest bit of info: JP:"We're going in fresh" [...]"Between all the things I've been doing, I haven't time for writing. So yeah, we're starting from scratch. Blank page."
"So this new one is different. Since the last record, we've built a Dream Theater headquarters that houses our own studio. It's where I recorded Terminal Velocity. And it's fantastic."

(source: https://www.revolvermag.com/music/dream-theater-new-live-album-onstage-mishaps-rehearsing-meat-shops?fbclid=IwAR39v9x6B-V6PnGhZGfHLxzglOnvn8W1qDoUry58GykePv_GXIWevrl1tcM)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 05, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Petrucci let it drop to Revolver that, within a week or two of our conversation, Dream Theater would be heading back into the studio to start work on the follow-up to Distance Over Time. As for what that record might sound like? Your guess is as good as his.
"We're going in fresh," he says. "Between all the things I've been doing, I haven't time for writing. So yeah, we're starting from scratch. Blank page."

From: https://www.revolvermag.com/music/dream-theater-new-live-album-onstage-mishaps-rehearsing-meat-shops?fbclid=IwAR1O-NW01-cJGWl6wwwq3ZYRIU9fS4Vp1Y5EeBDfW-PUFNCoRE-E2tP2nsg

And I arrived a little late, apparently, Max posted faster :lol
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 05, 2020, 12:31:24 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Petrucci let it drop to Revolver that, within a week or two of our conversation, Dream Theater would be heading back into the studio to start work on the follow-up to Distance Over Time. As for what that record might sound like? Your guess is as good as his.
"We're going in fresh," he says. "Between all the things I've been doing, I haven't time for writing. So yeah, we're starting from scratch. Blank page."

From: https://www.revolvermag.com/music/dream-theater-new-live-album-onstage-mishaps-rehearsing-meat-shops?fbclid=IwAR1O-NW01-cJGWl6wwwq3ZYRIU9fS4Vp1Y5EeBDfW-PUFNCoRE-E2tP2nsg

And I arrived a little late, apparently, Max posted faster :lol
sorry mate.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 05, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
So theyíre staying home and ordering pizza this time and breaking their home studio in. Nothing wrong with that 👍
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 05, 2020, 01:00:16 PM
I know that they have their methods and their habits, but I would really love for them to take the pandemic as an opportunity to write as much as they want or write as carefully as they want.

With the touring world thrown up in the air, there's no pressure at all to deliver the album for a specific date and then start the tour on another specific date. They could write it, sit on it, write some more if touring still can't happen, refine other things, etc.... I mean, when else will they have the luxury of having "all the time in the world" to make an album? take inspiration from an album title, black clouds and silver linings, the little lining in the black hole of a goddamn cloud that is a pandemic and the lack of concerts is that they can write all the time they want. Deliver for once the best 70-80 minutes you have, not the FIRST 70-80 minutes you have which is how some albums went down.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 05, 2020, 01:01:02 PM
So theyíre staying home and ordering pizza this time and breaking their home studio in. Nothing wrong with that 👍
well, John recorded Terminal Velocity in there already (and AFAIK it houses some of their storage for the tours too, but I might be wrong), so it has been in use already.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 05, 2020, 01:02:35 PM
I know that they have their methods and their habits, but I would really love for them to take the pandemic as an opportunity to write as much as they want or write as carefully as they want.

With the touring world thrown up in the air, there's no pressure at all to deliver the album for a specific date and then start the tour on another specific date. They could write it, sit on it, write some more if touring still can't happen, refine other things, etc.... I mean, when else will they have the luxury of having "all the time in the world" to make an album? take inspiration from an album title, black clouds and silver linings, the little lining in the black hole of a goddamn cloud that is a pandemic and the lack of concerts is that they can write all the time they want. Deliver for once the best 70-80 minutes you have, not the FIRST 70-80 minutes you have which is how some albums went down.
I'd not be surprised if it all were to happen exactly (or somewhat closely) as you described just now. I'd love a long, laboured album with longer pieces again.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 05, 2020, 07:09:12 PM
So theyíre staying home and ordering pizza this time and breaking their home studio in. Nothing wrong with that 👍
well, John recorded Terminal Velocity in there already (and AFAIK it houses some of their storage for the tours too, but I might be wrong), so it has been in use already.

I meant breaking it in with DT 😛
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2020, 04:27:52 AM
So theyíre staying home and ordering pizza this time and breaking their home studio in. Nothing wrong with that 👍

As long as they use their Own Studio.

Dave Grohl made an actual film about Sound City and the Neve Desk and incorporating it into his own Studio 606...

Then the Foo Fighters never once made an album there... ???



EDIT : After a bit of looking - It turns out Echoes, Silence, Patience, Grace was recorded at 606 - but not on the Neve board. FF haven't made an album at 606 since the Sound City film.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 07, 2020, 05:10:16 AM
So theyíre staying home and ordering pizza this time and breaking their home studio in. Nothing wrong with that 👍

As long as they use their Own Studio.

Dave Grohl made an actual film about Sound City and the Neve Desk and incorporating it into his own Studio 606...

Then the Foo Fighters never once made an album there... ???



EDIT : After a bit of looking - It turns out Echoes, Silence, Patience, Grace was recorded at 606 - but not on the Neve board. FF haven't made an album at 606 since the Sound City film.
ironically, Mike made the Into The Great Divide album there. (on that console too IIRC.) Back to our guys, I don't see why they wouldn't work at DTHQ.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2020, 05:15:15 AM
 ;D i know this is not the FF thread - but i'm sure Dave Grohl lies awake at night thinking of gimmicks instead of songs.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 07, 2020, 05:47:51 PM
new funny photo by Jordan directly from HQ: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGD6aV7AM31/
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on October 07, 2020, 08:07:54 PM
new funny photo by Jordan directly from HQ: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGD6aV7AM31/

So it has begun or it's about to!!

Maaaan, I try not to, but the hype is real already   :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 08, 2020, 03:03:12 AM
new funny photo by Jordan directly from HQ: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGD6aV7AM31/

So it has begun or it's about to!!

Maaaan, I try not to, but the hype is real already   :rollin
it has begun since the beginning of this month yes.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 08, 2020, 09:59:41 AM
new funny photo by Jordan directly from HQ: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGD6aV7AM31/

Please tell me they're not going to do another puzzle/game like they did with DOT....

Or is that supposed to be where the bodily remains of Peter Tork are kept?
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 08, 2020, 10:53:53 AM
new funny photo by Jordan directly from HQ: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGD6aV7AM31/

Please tell me they're not going to do another puzzle/game like they did with DOT....

Or is that supposed to be where the bodily remains of Peter Tork are kept?
not that I would know of. (Didn't think so anyway)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 09, 2020, 06:15:38 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 09, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 09, 2020, 08:42:34 AM
Well, in paper, I agree, it would be simple like that. But, in fact, it's much more delicate than that. Needless to  say, MP represents much more than just a close friend who plays drums (so much that JP had a certain hesitation in inviting him). I'm not saying that JP should have asked permission to MM. I just think it would be nice to tell MM first. Anyway, it's just a curiosity of mine.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on October 09, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

About the Portnoy thing, I saw on a recent interview that John actually told Mangini about choosing Portnoy for this solo album. I just can't recall where it was, maybe in the Sea of Tranquility channel.

He didn't mention the details of that, but it seems like he told him before hand indeed.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 09, 2020, 10:44:30 AM
Cool to know! I imagined that, being JP so classy as he always is.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 09, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.

Why? How about, I dunno, professional courtesy to a fellow bandmate? Not that it would ever happen but maybe he thought that some people would overreact that MP was playing on his solo album and speculate MP was going to be back in DT and he didn't want MM to be blindsided by that.  But of course JP has said that his rule for a solo album means that no members of DT can play on it so he wouldn't asked MM anyway. ::)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 09, 2020, 11:53:20 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.

He didn't "have to tell Mangini," but I'd bet a dollar that he did.  If nothing else, it would be a professional courtesy to tell his business partners (all of them) that he's doing something outside the scope of the band.  My guess would be that, in telling MM, he said something like, "hey Mike, I'm doing this solo album that I mentioned a while back.  I'm getting Joe Blow to play bass and I'm going to ask Mike Portnoy to play drums.  Of course, that will make a bunch of numbnuts on the internet start to speculate about whether he's coming back to DT.  Just a heads up for ya."
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
He told Mangini, and he was cool with it.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 10, 2020, 04:00:18 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.

Why? How about, I dunno, professional courtesy to a fellow bandmate? Not that it would ever happen but maybe he thought that some people would overreact that MP was playing on his solo album and speculate MP was going to be back in DT and he didn't want MM to be blindsided by that.  But of course JP has said that his rule for a solo album means that no members of DT can play on it so he wouldn't asked MM anyway. ::)

Of course he did. I am saying he didn't have to tell Mangini, and I'm sure Mangini understands too being a musician himself and working with other bands, and JLB solo..

He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 10, 2020, 12:33:24 PM
He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

Back to topic, tho, I'm really excited for the new album, and while it's way too soon to have any updates on how things are going, I know it'll be a great one :hefdaddy
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 10, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.

He didn't "have to tell Mangini," but I'd bet a dollar that he did.  If nothing else, it would be a professional courtesy to tell his business partners (all of them) that he's doing something outside the scope of the band.  My guess would be that, in telling MM, he said something like, "hey Mike, I'm doing this solo album that I mentioned a while back.  I'm getting Joe Blow to play bass and I'm going to ask Mike Portnoy to play drums.  Of course, that will make a bunch of numbnuts on the internet start to speculate about whether he's coming back to DT.  Just a heads up for ya."

99% that's exactly how it went down.

I'm more moderately curious to know if Petrucci told Portnoy "listen, I have to publicy smash down the reunion rumors, you understand right?" before his statement about a reunion not simply happening.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 11, 2020, 08:21:00 AM
JP new interview (english audio at the end):
https://headbangersla.com/entrevista-john-petrucci-tengo-la-oportunidad-de-tocar-con-dos-de-los-bateristas-mas-increibles-del-mundo/?fbclid=IwAR2hG1JZyXlvFtXU1vY4DJm0L9AlLWFb4ItD4NkQ_lXvJnlKyNEJNxQmmlU

They are definitely in the studio!
Nothing new in the interview, but, again, the curious fact that JP forgets about the 4th studio album with MM ...

No one ever asks, but I'm still curious as to how he told (or if he did) to MM that Portnoy was going to be the drummer for his new CD.

Why should he have to tell Mangini? It's JP's solo album, he could pick any drummer he wanted, and he chose his close friend since this is the opportunity to play with him again, on an album.

That's why no one asked.

He didn't "have to tell Mangini," but I'd bet a dollar that he did.  If nothing else, it would be a professional courtesy to tell his business partners (all of them) that he's doing something outside the scope of the band.  My guess would be that, in telling MM, he said something like, "hey Mike, I'm doing this solo album that I mentioned a while back.  I'm getting Joe Blow to play bass and I'm going to ask Mike Portnoy to play drums.  Of course, that will make a bunch of numbnuts on the internet start to speculate about whether he's coming back to DT.  Just a heads up for ya."

99% that's exactly how it went down.

I'm more moderately curious to know if Petrucci told Portnoy "listen, I have to publicy smash down the reunion rumors, you understand right?" before his statement about a reunion not simply happening.

More like, "If we do this, make sure to keep your fans in check."


He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

See, this is what really gets me about fans' obsessions, and bands listening to fans' demands. JP almost didn't work with Portnoy due to the fans. Us fans almost ruined a good opportunity for Portnoy to play with Petrucci.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 11, 2020, 08:44:59 AM
He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

Back to topic, tho, I'm really excited for the new album, and while it's way too soon to have any updates on how things are going, I know it'll be a great one :hefdaddy
why so certain? :D (seriously though, that was my approach going into DT14, and then D/T came out of it and it was a MAJOR curveball and challenged that attitude. (extremely)
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 11, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

Back to topic, tho, I'm really excited for the new album, and while it's way too soon to have any updates on how things are going, I know it'll be a great one :hefdaddy
why so certain? :D (seriously though, that was my approach going into DT14, and then D/T came out of it and it was a MAJOR curveball and challenged that attitude. (extremely)

Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy all their albums. Sure, some aren't as good as others, but they're still very good. I'm just excited about new music from my favorite band.
Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 11, 2020, 09:58:10 AM
He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

Back to topic, tho, I'm really excited for the new album, and while it's way too soon to have any updates on how things are going, I know it'll be a great one :hefdaddy
why so certain? :D (seriously though, that was my approach going into DT14, and then D/T came out of it and it was a MAJOR curveball and challenged that attitude. (extremely)

Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy all their albums. Sure, some aren't as good as others, but they're still very good. I'm just excited about new music from my favorite band.

YES, YES, YES!!!! It's not just you! I enjoy all their albums and gravitate to some more than others. All I got to say is, enjoy them while you still got them cause nothing lasts forever, ask Rush fans, ask EVH fans........ :(

Title: Re: DT15 and Mike's solo album are on the horizon (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 11, 2020, 10:33:09 AM
He likely told Mangini as a warning how the fans will speculate, and to prepare for the comments.

JP even said in a recent interview that he was hesitant at first, because he knew these kind of comments would definitely appear, but that it was his opportunity to work with both phenomenal drummers :metal

Back to topic, tho, I'm really excited for the new album, and while it's way too soon to have any updates on how things are going, I know it'll be a great one :hefdaddy
why so certain? :D (seriously though, that was my approach going into DT14, and then D/T came out of it and it was a MAJOR curveball and challenged that attitude. (extremely)

Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy all their albums. Sure, some aren't as good as others, but they're still very good. I'm just excited about new music from my favorite band.
of course (and as always) I'm cautiously optimistic (even hyped to some degree and definitely relieved that DT are still active too Especially in these times. I'll be back here once there is anything new to report.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 14, 2020, 04:47:26 AM
Updated to include most recent information ("Great comments. 2020 ... it's like Alice in Wonderland Annihilator Style - meaning the opposite. I'll tell you that it is translating to music you'll hear in 2021 that's nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy. Enuff said for now. There's a lot of work to do." - Mike responding to his obituary post for Ed. They are progressing well, it seems.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on October 14, 2020, 06:06:49 AM
Prog extravaganza I hope. Tales of Topographic Oceans style.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on October 14, 2020, 06:53:06 AM
I'll tell you that it is translating to music you'll hear in 2021 that's nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy."

 :corn :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2020, 07:06:19 AM
As I said, I just hope they break out of the traditional formula of "We have to make an album in these four weeks because the tour is being booked". The only good thing about not being able to tour *AND* owning your own studio is that you can work on an album as much as you want, and refine is as much as you want.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 14, 2020, 07:22:16 AM
I'll tell you that it is translating to music you'll hear in 2021 that's nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy."

 :corn :metal

Interesting quote. Does that imply that theyíre gonna get even heavier?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on October 14, 2020, 08:00:56 AM
I'll tell you that it is translating to music you'll hear in 2021 that's nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy."

 :corn :metal

Interesting quote. Does that imply that theyíre gonna get even heavier?

I saw that too.....Bombastic, sweet music..
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 14, 2020, 10:43:22 AM
Updated to include most recent information ("Great comments. 2020 ... it's like Alice in Wonderland Annihilator Style - meaning the opposite. I'll tell you that it is translating to music you'll hear in 2021 that's nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy. Enuff said for now. There's a lot of work to do." - Mike responding to his obituary post for Ed. They are progressing well, it seems.)

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 14, 2020, 11:43:56 AM
As I said, I just hope they break out of the traditional formula of "We have to make an album in these four weeks because the tour is being booked". The only good thing about not being able to tour *AND* owning your own studio is that you can work on an album as much as you want, and refine is as much as you want.
Couldn't agree more. In fact, I would take it a step further and hope that they just continue to write more music, following their muse, until it is finally tapped out. They always comment about how they have so many ideas and that it's a struggle to find a place for them to include them all. So use the time you have to find places for all of them! Don't limit yourself to roughly 75 minutes. Keep writing and see where it goes. Then when they finally get to an end point of writing, after finishing off the songs, pick out the best ones and/or most cohesive collection of songs for the album, and use the extra tracks as bonus tracks, B-sides, tracks for movie soundtracks, and the eventual compilation releases. Had they not done something similar with FII (altho under admittedly different circumstances), we would've never gotten Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Hollow Years, Speak to Me or New Millennium, and perhaps a few others. So doing prolonged writing sessions can really be beneficial, not just in creating more material, but (depending on who you ask), better material.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 14, 2020, 09:49:18 PM
I am in full support of everything Scotty posted.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 15, 2020, 04:53:35 AM
I've been a supporter of what Scotty said ever since I learned how most of the material on IAW and SFAM and ACOS came to be. There are slight differences on who prefers what, but surely over 90% of us agree that this is some of their very best stuff.

My very favorite album, Awake, came through their usual process, so it's not like they can't make classic albums by just going into the studio and writing about 70 minutes of music. Then again, maybe it was a lineup thing, the KM songs elevate Awake to a whole new level for me. Some people don't vibe with his songs or some of the stuff JP wrote and they rate it lower.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 15, 2020, 07:59:51 AM
I am in full support of everything Scotty posted.
I generally am.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 15, 2020, 09:54:55 AM
My very favorite album, Awake, came through their usual process, so it's not like they can't make classic albums by just going into the studio and writing about 70 minutes of music. Then again, maybe it was a lineup thing, the KM songs elevate Awake to a whole new level for me. Some people don't vibe with his songs or some of the stuff JP wrote and they rate it lower.

Just to clarify...when you refer to "the KM songs" and "his songs," you're talking about SDV (written entirely by KM) and what else?  He wrote lyrics for 6:00 and Lie, but the music for those songs was composed by the band as a whole.

That said, I'll add my voice to those who think a more slow-paced, organic writing process would be nice.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 15, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Glad you all are in agreement. I just hope the band has similar thinking on the subject. To not do so, especially given the perfect storm of the current circumstances (have their own studio, no deadline for releasing an album, no time table for an upcoming tour) would be short changing themselves and the fans.

I've been a supporter of what Scotty said ever since I learned how most of the material on IAW and SFAM and ACOS came to be.
Funny that you bring this up - specifically about IaW. Because originally Surrounded, AD and especially PMU didn't exist originally. It was only because Derek Oliver encouraged them to write some new songs while things were getting sorted out, that they ended up writing the song that put their career on the trajectory that it's been on. Imagine if PMU never happened. Would this forum, or even the band itself, exist at the present time? Maybe not. And while I don't expect that they will write another song that will have as much of an impact as PMU did, they give themselves a better chance at doing so by not limiting themselves to writing just an album's worth of music.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 15, 2020, 11:24:04 AM
Glad you all are in agreement. I just hope the band has similar thinking on the subject. To not do so, especially given the perfect storm of the current circumstances (have their own studio, no deadline for releasing an album, no time table for an upcoming tour) would be short changing themselves and the fans.

Count me in for those agreeing. Them not doing this since FII/SFAM might be a good indicator of how things will end up being anyway, but you're 100% right in that they're in a completely different situation this time around. It's mostly good when they change their approach for a new album, and we can hope this is the case. I'm not too certain about all of them moving indefinitely to DTHQ (or nearby), tho.

Another interesting thing to consider is that Inside Out always likes to offer special editions of their albums + the uncertainty of when the next tour will start could/should force them to work with the mentality of offering a bonus disc anyway to get a higher profit in special edition bundles. I'm certainly hoping for a "main" album and some extra stuff in a bonus disc. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kram on October 15, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
How about a double album in the vain of 6DOIT?  One disk with a massive epic (this satisfies us who would like another long epic), and a disc with shorter more concise tunes like DOT?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 15, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
From Dream Theater World's Facebook:

"You heard it! There will be a Live Q&A on October 23rd at 3pm EST. We will be joined with Jordan Rudess and John Petrucci in this online event, live from the DTHQ. Be sure to keep your eyes open for the event, to be sure you don't miss out!"
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on October 15, 2020, 02:11:04 PM
I wish they make a walkthrough/tour around the studio so we can meet their new HQ! I'm really curious about it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on October 15, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
How about a double album in the vain of 6DOIT?  One disk with a massive epic (this satisfies us who would like another long epic), and a disc with shorter more concise tunes like DOT?

I'm in :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 15, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
How about a double album in the vain of 6DOIT?  One disk with a massive epic (this satisfies us who would like another long epic), and a disc with shorter more concise tunes like DOT?

Sure.  If it's good.

How about a double album in the vein of Tales from Topographic Oceans with four songs that are roughly 20 minutes long each?

Sure.  If it's good.

How about an album with nothing but four minute hit singles?

Sure.  If it's good.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 15, 2020, 03:31:20 PM
Just to clarify...when you refer to "the KM songs" and "his songs," you're talking about SDV (written entirely by KM) and what else?  He wrote lyrics for 6:00 and Lie, but the music for those songs was composed by the band as a whole.
In the Awake liner notes MP says 6:00 was 80% Kevin's. Lie is more of a whole band thing, but his newer (at the time) influences are pretty visible in it, since he worked on the vocal melodies alone.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kram on October 15, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
How about a double album in the vain of 6DOIT?  One disk with a massive epic (this satisfies us who would like another long epic), and a disc with shorter more concise tunes like DOT?
How about a double album in the vein

Good catch!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on October 15, 2020, 04:41:06 PM

Sure.  If it's good.

How about a double album in the vein of Tales from Topographic Oceans with four songs that are roughly 20 minutes long each?

Sure.  If it's good.

How about an album with nothing but four minute hit singles?

Sure.  If it's good.

Right. I Love Octavarium . But I did sigh a little when I first read that Black Clouds & Silver Linings was only 6 tracks long.

I'm glad they stopped doing massive songs for the most part from A Dramatic Turn of Events onwards ( bar the odd 13 min song and Illumination Theory )...

If they ever did an album which was literally four 20 min epics - i'd hope that they had skippable sections within.

Say like 4 mini sections in each Six Degrees style. So 16 tracks in total so you can skip to your fave part.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 15, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
In the Awake liner notes MP says 6:00 was 80% Kevin's.

My Awake CD booklet contains no such notes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2020, 05:04:19 PM
I am in full support of everything Scotty posted.

I am in full support of everything Chris posted.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 15, 2020, 06:19:55 PM
But I did sigh a little when I first read that Black Clouds & Silver Linings was only 6 tracks long.

Likewise. The comparisons MP laid out didn't help.

Funny that you bring this up - specifically about IaW. Because originally Surrounded, AD and especially PMU didn't exist originally. It was only because Derek Oliver encouraged them to write some new songs while things were getting sorted out...

Huh, I never knew that! Did they just think they had enough material?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2020, 06:23:20 PM
Well, they had A Change Of Seasons, and that took up 20 minutes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 15, 2020, 08:18:34 PM
Funny that you bring this up - specifically about IaW. Because originally Surrounded, AD and especially PMU didn't exist originally. It was only because Derek Oliver encouraged them to write some new songs while things were getting sorted out...

Huh, I never knew that! Did they just think they had enough material?

They had Don't Look Past Me, To Live Forever, & A Change Of Seasons in place of the songs Scotty mentioned (plus Wait For Sleep).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 15, 2020, 08:59:09 PM
I knew about TLF, but did not realize ACoS was at a point where they considered it 'album ready.'
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 15, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
Funny that you bring this up - specifically about IaW. Because originally Surrounded, AD and especially PMU didn't exist originally. It was only because Derek Oliver encouraged them to write some new songs while things were getting sorted out...
Huh, I never knew that! Did they just think they had enough material?
They had Don't Look Past Me, To Live Forever, & A Change Of Seasons in place of the songs Scotty mentioned (plus Wait For Sleep).
Although WFS was added later too. So initially, the tracks that they were going to record were (in no specific order):
Metropolis
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Take the Time
Under a Glass Moon
Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons

I know I've posted about this before, but for those who may have missed it: another interesting thing of note is that originally Metropolis was supposed to open the album, and PMU was to be the first track on "side 2". But the label wanted PMU as the opening track and for the album to be named "Dream Theater" instead of IaW. Ultimately the band and label compromised - the band got the album title they wanted, and the label got the running order that they wanted.
 
 
I knew about TLF, but did not realize ACoS was at a point where they considered it 'album ready.'
It was - but in it's original form. I take it you haven't read the Lifting Shadows biography, because the topic of how the band weren't permitted to record ACoS for IaW is mentioned in there. IIRC, they were told on the first day of recording that they wouldn't be permitted to record it, so the sessions started on a down note.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 15, 2020, 10:11:18 PM
That is still one kickass album!

I have not read Lifting Shadows and do not know much about the band's early history so I am sorry if I am ignorant about stuff most hardcore fans know.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 15, 2020, 10:40:32 PM
I have not read Lifting Shadows and do not know much about the band's early history so I am sorry if I am ignorant about stuff most hardcore fans know.
No apology necessary Chris. But you should pick up a copy of the biography. It's a great read and I'm sure you'll find a lot of interesting tidbits that you didn't know about, just like this.  ;)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 16, 2020, 03:58:23 AM
I have not read Lifting Shadows and do not know much about the band's early history so I am sorry if I am ignorant about stuff most hardcore fans know.
No apology necessary Chris. But you should pick up a copy of the biography. It's a great read and I'm sure you'll find a lot of interesting tidbits that you didn't know about, just like this.  ;)
yes, it's a worthwhile read. As I always say, reading Lifting Shadows is as exciting as DT's music. Seriously.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 16, 2020, 04:28:54 AM
In the Awake liner notes MP says 6:00 was 80% Kevin's.

My Awake CD booklet contains no such notes.
I'm sorry, it's the Awake *demos* liner notes. I don't have the physical release, but on the youtube video that has all the demos, someone uploaded scans of the thing, that's where I read that.

So initially, the tracks that they were going to record were (in no specific order):
Metropolis
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Take the Time
Under a Glass Moon
Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons
This is still a fantastic album. But it's not as iconic as the one we ended up with. And the version of ACoS that would have ended up on this album doesn't beat the version we would have gotten later. When you listen to ACoS '95, you kind of hear it all, all the circumstances, all the frustrations, Derek is out to prove himself, the lyrics are sharp as fuck.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 16, 2020, 09:38:25 AM
Funny that you bring this up - specifically about IaW. Because originally Surrounded, AD and especially PMU didn't exist originally. It was only because Derek Oliver encouraged them to write some new songs while things were getting sorted out...

Huh, I never knew that! Did they just think they had enough material?

According to the FAQ at MP's website:  "While the band waited for the deal with Atco to be finalized in the middle of 1991, their A&R man, Derek Oliver encouraged them to continue writing songs.
 This resulted in them writing Pull Me Under, Surrounded, Another Day and Wait for Sleep.  Having two new 'commercial' songs (Surrounded and Another Day) they opted to use them in exchange for the older songs (To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me).  Derek Oliver expressed concern that including A Change of Seasons would take the album 'too far.'  After much arguing, the band agreed to leave the song off the album, as long as they could record it later as an EP."

Swapping out TLF and DLPM for Surrounded and Another Day obviously improved the album monumentally, and not having the breakout song PMU (originally titled "Oliver's Twist") would have had a huge impact.


I knew about TLF, but did not realize ACoS was at a point where they considered it 'album ready.'

Have you heard the live version from the March 4, 1993 NYC show?  If not, I highly recommend it.  There are many significant differences from the version that was released two years later.  I acquired a cassette copy of that show via *Prodigy sometime in late 1993 and was blown away by the song.  Then, when they released it in 1995, I went back and revisited it and was quite interested to hear how much it had changed.  There are a few things I wish they had left, but most of the changes improved the song (especially lyrically).


But you should pick up a copy of the biography. It's a great read and I'm sure you'll find a lot of interesting tidbits that you didn't know about, just like this.  ;)

Completely agree (and this reminds me that I still haven't read the updated version).


I'm sorry, it's the Awake *demos* liner notes.

 :tup
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: faizoff on October 16, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
I've been meaning to get the Lifting Shadows book, not sure why I haven't yet. So many sales came and went, I'll have to hunt the updated version.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 16, 2020, 03:54:46 PM


I've been meaning to get the Lifting Shadows book, not sure why I haven't yet. So many sales came and went, I'll have to hunt the updated version.



Apparently, you can get it on Amazon, now. (https://www.amazon.com/Lifting-Shadows-Authorized-Biography-Theater/dp/1906615586)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 16, 2020, 11:37:03 PM
Have you heard the live version from the March 4, 1993 NYC show?  If not, I highly recommend it.  There are many significant differences from the version that was released two years later.  I acquired a cassette copy of that show via *Prodigy sometime in late 1993 and was blown away by the song.  Then, when they released it in 1995, I went back and revisited it and was quite interested to hear how much it had changed. 

Dang... I remember Prodigy. My rich kid friend (did everyone have that one friend growing up who was part of a wealthy family?) had Prodigy circa '93. My family didn't even have a computer. He met a girl in South (or was in North) Dakota via Prodigy. They fell in love. It was weird. All his friends couldn't understand how he 1) fell in love with with someone he a) never met in person, and b) lived 1,000 miles away, and 2) did it via a computer. 

Anyway... I heard that version once years ago. I have never been in to bootlegs, even DT's official bootlegs, so I didn't really connect with it. I had the EP version, and the Live Scenes version, so I had everything I needed.

I also don't know why I never picked up the book. I don't read many bios, maybe I felt content knowing what I knew about the band, which was mostly via this forum.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2020, 06:03:45 AM
I've never even heard of Prodigy.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on October 17, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
Dang... I remember Prodigy. My rich kid friend (did everyone have that one friend growing up who was part of a wealthy family?) had Prodigy circa '93. My family didn't even have a computer. He met a girl in South (or was in North) Dakota via Prodigy. They fell in love. It was weird. All his friends couldn't understand how he 1) fell in love with with someone he a) never met in person, and b) lived 1,000 miles away, and 2) did it via a computer. 

I can relate.  I posted in detail about this on another thread a couple months ago, but this is basically how I met my wife.  In 1992 or early 1993, the guitar player in my band bought a computer and had this thing called TSN (The Sierra Network).  It had chat rooms and games, including a D&D style game called Shadow of Yserbius.  I played it a few times at his place and decided to get my own computer.  I signed up for TSN, and my wife was also on TSN while she was in grad school in Boston.  We met in one of the chat rooms, eventually moved up to phone calls, and she came out to see me a few months later.  I flew out there a month later, and she moved out here the following year.  Before she actually moved out here, I got a lot of, "are you sure she's not a guy?" questions.


I've never even heard of Prodigy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSr16eZDC0I

(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/07/screenshot_login/9693d5049.png)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 17, 2020, 09:50:51 PM
That is a great story!

Watching that commercial... was the DJIA really around 2700 in 1991?? *checks.... and yes it was!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 18, 2020, 08:53:23 AM
About ACoS:
I have heard ACoS for the first time on The Dance of Eternity bootleg, that is from that 93' NY show - the same recording of the official bootleg release years later. I was not aware of the circunstances that ACoS was composed for I&W, but didn't make the final cut. By listening to that bootleg, I immediately thouhgt the song was totally amazing and I also thought that it was composed after the release of I&W. So you can imagine my deception when I bought Awake and in the back cover I didn't saw ACoS listed there...
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Pettor on October 18, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
I really hope they continue what ever they did with DoT. The sound and energy is great and they got Mangini onboard! Even the length is something I appreciated. SDOIT is ofc the best albums ever created, but I don't feel any band could ever produce two such masterpieces in their lifetime. POS Panther also reminds me of how awesome "shorter" albums with great flow that never feels "draggy" us! DoT nearly succeeded perfectly with this.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 18, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
I really hope they continue what ever they did with DoT. The sound and energy is great and they got Mangini onboard! Even the length is something I appreciated. SDOIT is ofc the best albums ever created, but I don't feel any band could ever produce two such masterpieces in their lifetime. POS Panther also reminds me of how awesome "shorter" albums with great flow that never feels "draggy" us! DoT nearly succeeded perfectly with this.
well, we will see how it will turn out, but it has always been DT's "rule" (as it were) to never make the same record twice. (and that's a good thing IMHO) Some people here (myself included in this case) mentioned longer pieces again, because it's been seven years since the last one (just saying)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 18, 2020, 02:22:54 PM
About ACoS:
I have heard ACoS for the first time on The Dance of Eternity bootleg, that is from that 93' NY show - the same recording of the official bootleg release years later. I was not aware of the circunstances that ACoS was composed for I&W, but didn't make the final cut. By listening to that bootleg, I immediately thouhgt the song was totally amazing and I also thought that it was composed after the release of I&W. So you can imagine my deception when I bought Awake and in the back cover I didn't saw ACoS listed there...
I can relate - I was in a similar boat. Long before Awake was released, I had TDoE bootleg too. Can't say that I was of the belief that ACoS was written after the fact, since I read an article/interview with Charlie and KevMo from 1989 and Charlie commented on a song they were currently working on then that was up to 18 minutes in length, which I assumed was ACoS. Nonetheless, I expected that it would be on Awake. But the manager of a music store that I happened to frequent by mid-94 had attended the Concrete Forums gig that JR played at, and she very specifically told me that ACoS would not be on it, much to my dismay.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on October 18, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
Cool story, Scotty, we are dinosaurs... Only now I realised that that JR show with DT was before Awake was released!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 18, 2020, 02:37:05 PM
Cool story, Scotty, we are dinosaurs... Only now I realised that that JR show with DT was before Awake was released!
a week before my fourth birthday too :D
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on October 18, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Cool story, Scotty, we are dinosaurs... Only now I realised that that JR show with DT was before Awake was released!
a week before my fourth birthday too :D

Two weeks before my 26th. ;D
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 18, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
I wasn't born yet :P
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on October 23, 2020, 01:54:40 PM
John just mentioned on the live Q&A that there's a cameraman there with them at the studio filming the writing process. Hope this means we get a documentary. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 23, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
OK - I think I missed the boat. Are DT in the studio writing???  :omg:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 23, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
John just mentioned on the live Q&A that there's a cameraman there with them at the studio filming the writing process. Hope this means we get a documentary.

He did say they hope to have that included, so we can see how psychotic they are with writing. That was a great story about how many interpretations they all play with for 4 notes, and then come to an agreement and say, that's the one.  :rollin

It was also confirmed that we are getting this album earlier than expected, due to the pandemic pushing their schedule up.

Also, That was a great cameo there by Mangini...He just wants to play "DHARTS" (accent).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 23, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
OK - I think I missed the boat. Are DT in the studio writing???  :omg:
The boat already set sail!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 23, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
John just mentioned on the live Q&A that there's a cameraman there with them at the studio filming the writing process. Hope this means we get a documentary.

He did say they hope to have that included, so we can see how psychotic they are with writing. That was a great story about how many interpretations they all play with for 4 notes, and then come to an agreement and say, that's the one.  :rollin

It was also confirmed that we are getting this album earlier than expected, due to the pandemic pushing their schedule up.

Also, That was a great cameo there by Mangini...He just wants to play "DHARTS" (accent).
yes, I laughed about it too. I'll include it in the timeline, hold on. Done.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 23, 2020, 02:17:33 PM
OK - I think I missed the boat. Are DT in the studio writing???  :omg:
The boat already set sail!  :biggrin:
great quip Scotty. Lovely lovely. Couldn't have done it better myself (seeing as I'm bad at being funny. Comes with being born in Germany.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 23, 2020, 02:51:33 PM
OK - I think I missed the boat. Are DT in the studio writing???  :omg:
The boat already set sail!  :biggrin:
great quip Scotty. Lovely lovely. Couldn't have done it better myself (seeing as I'm bad at being funny. Comes with being born in Germany.)

Well scheisse! I knew they were planning on heading into the studio but didn't know they were actually there.

I guess Hunnus was too focused on his SHITTY Dallas Cowboys FOOTBALL TEAM!!!!  :censored
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 23, 2020, 03:02:55 PM
OK - I think I missed the boat. Are DT in the studio writing???  :omg:
The boat already set sail!  :biggrin:
great quip Scotty. Lovely lovely. Couldn't have done it better myself (seeing as I'm bad at being funny. Comes with being born in Germany.)

Well scheisse! I knew they were planning on heading into the studio but didn't know they were actually there.

I guess Hunnus was too focused on his SHITTY Dallas Cowboys FOOTBALL TEAM!!!!  :censored
hence why I changed the thread title to process initiated.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 02, 2020, 10:01:37 AM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 02, 2020, 12:07:28 PM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 02, 2020, 12:38:23 PM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.
weeell, once it's safe enough to tour again that is. But yes, I'm somewhat excited for DT15 (and an album-free second set as well)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 02, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.
weeell, once it's safe enough to tour again that is. But yes, I'm somewhat excited for DT15 (and an album-free second set as well)
That is if they continue the Ďevening withí format. They might start bringing opening bands out again. I hope not but you never know.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 03, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.

I'm so looking forward to a non-anniversary-full-album-performance show! It's pretty crazy to think that the last "normal setlist" DT show was back on 2014 (from which Awake and SFAM took a big chunk of, so that was not entirely a varied show lol). I remember being so excited when the Luna Park setlist was announced because it was so much music from so many albums and I hope for something similar to that in the upcoming future.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 03, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.

I'm so looking forward to a non-anniversary-full-album-performance show! It's pretty crazy to think that the last "normal setlist" DT show was back on 2014 (from which Awake and SFAM took a big chunk of, so that was not entirely a varied show lol). I remember being so excited when the Luna Park setlist was announced because it was so much music from so many albums and I hope for something similar to that in the upcoming future.

It's something I hope they do, and I feel they need to do, to keep that fanbase momentum going. We've gotten 4 tours with the 2nd set going to an album or album, SFAM in Along For The Ride Tour was in the Encore.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 19, 2020, 06:47:27 AM
Updated to include most recent information.
(DT15 will not be a concept album, but according to an interview with Jordan, they do follow an interesting basic idea, as he mentioned. (and that he did not reveal as of yet)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 22, 2020, 01:59:52 PM
I do hope for another conceptually tied album like Octavarium, that does not really lyrically tell a story but rather has an underlying theme and ties the whole thing together. I love it when DT does that, and it's been years since they last put out an album with that in mind.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on November 22, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
I do hope for another conceptually tied album like Octavarium, that does not really lyrically tell a story but rather has an underlying theme and ties the whole thing together. I love it when DT does that, and it's been years since they last put out an album with that in mind.

Yeah, that'd be cool. Coincidentally or not, my Top 3 Dream Theater albums are all like that to some extent (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Black Clouds & Silver Linings, and Octavarium).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 22, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
You know what I just thought of, and made me more excited. Is the fact we are gonna get more newer songs available for the upcoming tour setlist. Hopefully that'll be soon.
Rather it means a whole new tour and setlist - no more SFaM in full! Yay! I love the album, but tire of full album performances that take up half the show, especially when performed almost exactly like what's already on the album.

True.  I've seen SFAM maybe 7 times in its entirety.  Happy to see other deserving songs get a spotlight.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 22, 2020, 10:56:23 PM
I do hope for another conceptually tied album like Octavarium, that does not really lyrically tell a story but rather has an underlying theme and ties the whole thing together. I love it when DT does that, and it's been years since they last put out an album with that in mind.

They better make a song entitled, The Ultimate Nugget: A 3-Part Song, placed as track number 5. And it's theme links the song to it being their 15th album, because 3x5=15, and links to 8vm with the 3 and 5 references.... :biggrin: I am sure Mangini could come up with something way cooler, being the math nerd he is.

It'll give them the excuse to play 8vm live again.  :metal

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on November 23, 2020, 12:41:11 AM
I'm really hoping this time around they'll write at least one really long song (like ~15 minutes). I appreciate the more concise songs they've been doing, but i kind of miss this. Illumination Theory was an "epic" but felt a bit disconnected with the orchestral part in between.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on November 23, 2020, 08:36:48 AM
I'm really hoping this time around they'll write at least one really long song (like ~15 minutes). I appreciate the more concise songs they've been doing, but i kind of miss this.

This. I really want them to write longer songs again.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
Honestly, I am not expecting a damn thing. Expectations lead to disappointment. So, If I don't want to be disappointed, I am not expecting anything of the new album. That way I can even be surprised, at what they decided to do this album.

I can tell you what I would like for them to do. But I do not expect them to do those things at all.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on November 23, 2020, 10:10:40 AM
I guess I'm anticipating getting more info about the next album more than I realize, because I had this bizarre dream last night where Dream Theater, among other things, announced the track listing for their next album and the last two tracks were about 59 minutes and 20+ minutes respectively.

Dreams are weird.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2020, 10:37:28 AM
59 minutes and 20 minutes would fill up a CD on their own.


Also I hope DT never do the "80 minute single track" thing. *UNLESS* It's one continuous piece of music with selectable mini-sections a la Six Degrees.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on November 23, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
An album with two 20+ minute epics + 3 or 4 shorter tracks in between would be really cool and something they haven't really done before.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on November 23, 2020, 10:54:28 AM
I know there has been talk about using a eight string guitar,  so maybe we will get a song or two that is ultra dark and heavy.  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on November 23, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
59 minutes and 20 minutes would fill up a CD on their own.


Also I hope DT never do the "80 minute single track" thing. *UNLESS* It's one continuous piece of music with selectable mini-sections a la Six Degrees.

Yeah, if they did something like The Whirlwind (in terms of structure, not necessarily genre/style), that could be pretty cool.



An album with two 20+ minute epics + 3 or 4 shorter tracks in between would be really cool and something they haven't really done before.

That could be interesting... Comparing this to Transatlantic, since 2 or 3 of their albums follow this format, I'd also be rather skeptical. It worked really well in Bridge Across Forever, but Kaleidoscope was... not as exciting. Now, I've only listened to Kaleidoscope once, so I will have to listen to it more to form a more solid opinion, but at the same time there wasn't really anything that made me want to return to the album.

Then again, this is Dream Theater we're talking about, they'd make an album like that some level of amazing just like they've done for basically every album they've ever made.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 23, 2020, 12:39:24 PM
Updated to include most recent information (https://www.instagram.com/p/CH8dS-0Bwna/) Drum parts completed
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 23, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Drum parts completed
Where did he say that? Didn't notice it in the video you linked.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on November 23, 2020, 01:15:20 PM
Updated to include most recent information (https://www.instagram.com/p/CH8dS-0Bwna/) Drum parts completed

I'm curious if only the writing sessions are done, or if he has already recorded his drums parts as well.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 23, 2020, 03:58:12 PM
Man that is insanely quick. Feels like they just started writing!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 23, 2020, 04:02:18 PM
Man that is insanely quick. Feels like they just started writing!
It is. And yes, they started last month. (as Mike mentioned)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on November 23, 2020, 04:18:05 PM
I'd say it's most likely that they just finished writing and Mike's going to track drums at his home studio, but there's also a big chance that they recorded him at DTHQ while they were writing. He did say "I have things to say and things to do about that", though, which implies he isn't quite finished with his DT15 work yet, he may be writing more lyrics this time too :metal

Anyway, I'm really excited about this and hope we get more updates soon!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 23, 2020, 06:11:28 PM
I'm really hoping this time around they'll write at least one really long song (like ~15 minutes). I appreciate the more concise songs they've been doing, but i kind of miss this.

This. I really want them to write longer songs again.

I disagree. D/T was perfect for me in terms of song lengths. The longer MM-era songs tend to be very hit-or-miss structurally, so I'd be a little worried if there were any 15+ minute songs on the album or multiple 10+ minute songs. If the next album is longer, I think I'd rather have it be made up of more songs rather than longer songs, but of course that depends on the quality of said songs, which we obviously don't know until we hear them.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on November 23, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
In today's music biz where streaming is king, long songs won't make commercial sense. With touring revenues going down because of the pandemic, I would really be ok with the band maximizing their revenues per hour with shorter tracks. I hope they won't write an epic then cut it up artificially in short tracks that really do not make sense (hello, Haken).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2020, 01:07:05 AM
While I'm not on principle demanding a 20 minutes song from DT with each and every release, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where bands think "eh, why bother with writing a long song, on Spotify we get paid the same for shorter songs".
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progessing. No concept album. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on November 24, 2020, 03:44:35 AM
Honestly, I am not expecting a damn thing. Expectations lead to disappointment.
Yeah me too, going in to DoT I had high hopes about the return to form they claimed and was kinda of hoping to bring the old long song format with the cool instrumental sections..So nothing to expect just waiting what their next direction will be as far as song writing and presentation..but I'll say it again, I'm not expecting something radical different from their last album..at least sound wise.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on November 24, 2020, 03:54:55 AM
While I'm not on principle demanding a 20 minutes song from DT with each and every release, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where bands think "eh, why bother with writing a long song, on Spotify we get paid the same for shorter songs".

Well, that is a world you have to live in if there really is a drastic cut in revenues on gigs because of a pandemic. These guys need to make a living.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on November 24, 2020, 10:13:33 AM
While I'm not on principle demanding a 20 minutes song from DT with each and every release, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where bands think "eh, why bother with writing a long song, on Spotify we get paid the same for shorter songs".

Well, that is a world you have to live in if there really is a drastic cut in revenues on gigs because of a pandemic. These guys need to make a living.

I don't think this is too common for bands to do, but they could easily release their bigger epics in two different forms: make them a single track on all the physical media options (CD, BD, Vinyl, etc), but upload them as split tracks to streaming services. That way you still get people perceiving them as big songs, but also get a bit more streaming revenue. Jordan Rudess did this for his latest solo album, If I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 24, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
Ah so if the new album is only 3 or 4 really long pieces but each broken up into multiple sections like SDOIT? So if the album had 3 pieces at 20-30 min each but the album had a total of 13 or 14 tracks. Thatíll make it easier to play the material live and also release singles.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 24, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
While I'm not on principle demanding a 20 minutes song from DT with each and every release, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where bands think "eh, why bother with writing a long song, on Spotify we get paid the same for shorter songs".
Well, that is a world you have to live in if there really is a drastic cut in revenues on gigs because of a pandemic. These guys need to make a living.
....as if these streaming sites are really putting food on their tables....  ::)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on November 25, 2020, 01:38:49 AM
While I'm not on principle demanding a 20 minutes song from DT with each and every release, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where bands think "eh, why bother with writing a long song, on Spotify we get paid the same for shorter songs".
Well, that is a world you have to live in if there really is a drastic cut in revenues on gigs because of a pandemic. These guys need to make a living.
....as if these streaming sites are really putting food on their tables....  ::)

as if revenue from these streaming sites, small as it is, is not more than the revenue lost from gigs right now.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jadiggerdt on November 25, 2020, 06:23:54 AM
They comfirm that the album will come out fall 2021. So hopefully on the road 2022.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on November 25, 2020, 06:42:24 AM
They comfirm that the album will come out fall 2021. So hopefully on the road 2022.

Where was that confirmed? I thought it would be earlier than fall.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 25, 2020, 07:26:11 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBEkuzh2iA/ here's a studio shot from Mike's Instagram
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on November 25, 2020, 07:29:51 AM
Bass drum on DT15 confirmed then.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 25, 2020, 07:33:05 AM
Bass drum on DT15 confirmed then.
the same setup as on D/T (meaning his small kit) and a similar mic setup as during the D/T sessions
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on November 25, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
So this pretty much confirms drum tracks are done, since Mike already returned home and that's his DT touring kit (and apparently DT15 studio kit) and not his home studio kit.

They comfirm that the album will come out fall 2021. So hopefully on the road 2022.

Where was that confirmed? I thought it would be earlier than fall.

Yeah, I'm wondering where they said this too. I was expecting this one to drop around May or June 2021, but it would make sense to hold the release date a bit untill tour dates are closer.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 25, 2020, 09:27:55 AM
So this pretty much confirms drum tracks are done, since Mike already returned home and that's his DT touring kit (and apparently DT15 studio kit) and not his home studio kit.

They comfirm that the album will come out fall 2021. So hopefully on the road 2022.

Where was that confirmed? I thought it would be earlier than fall.

Yeah, I'm wondering where they said this too. I was expecting this one to drop around May or June 2021, but it would make sense to hold the release date a bit untill tour dates are closer.
what he meant was probably this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDyhyC8A5k (Mike mentioned something along these lines, but remember, this was before the pandemic came up). But as we know, nothing is confirmed about DT15 (that we know as of now, other than it being currently made of course)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 01, 2020, 12:12:52 AM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on December 01, 2020, 06:26:47 AM
After the release of the The Holiday Spirit Carries On, MM has put a couple of things on FB regarding the new album:

On polyrhythms: The new album has INSANE ones beyond Pale Blue Dot. I think you'll love it.
On the drums used on the Holiday song: They are the basic drums on the next album.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on December 01, 2020, 07:10:30 AM
After the release of the The Holiday Spirit Carries On, MM has put a couple of things on FB regarding the new album:

On polyrhythms: The new album has INSANE ones beyond Pale Blue Dot. I think you'll love it.
On the drums used on the Holiday song: They are the basic drums on the next album.

Music to my ears. Loved the production on the track, i think we're in for a treat with the next album :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on December 01, 2020, 07:13:37 AM
The production on this track reminded me the production's style of ACoS.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 01, 2020, 01:51:28 PM
Between d/t, which is my favorite-sounding Dream Theater album in years, and Distant Memories, which I think is one of their best-sounding live albums, I feel like DT15 is going to end lives with its sonic bliss.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on December 01, 2020, 01:53:00 PM
Between d/t, which is my favorite-sounding Dream Theater album in years, and Distant Memories, which I think is one of their best-sounding live albums, I feel like DT15 is going to end lives with its sonic bliss.

adding how The Holiday Spirit Carries On as well!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 01, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
After the release of the The Holiday Spirit Carries On, MM has put a couple of things on FB regarding the new album:

On polyrhythms: The new album has INSANE ones beyond Pale Blue Dot. I think you'll love it.
On the drums used on the Holiday song: They are the basic drums on the next album.
Yeees, maties. I'm excited already.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 02, 2020, 01:18:55 PM
I'll be a pretty happy camper if the new album's production values are similar to that XMAS track.  That's a slammin' mix yo
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on December 03, 2020, 03:50:55 PM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.

Do you mean cringing at the notes/sounds he was making? Funny, I was just thinking of this because I was listening to Symphony X yesterday and Pinella only plays nice piano and keyboard melodies, no weird noises. I wish Jordan would do the same.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Herrick on December 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.

Which interview is this?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: SebastiŠn Pratesi on December 03, 2020, 11:34:52 PM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.

Which interview is this?

I think he's referring to this one: https://youtu.be/IES9GIB8U3Q
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Herrick on December 03, 2020, 11:53:46 PM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.

Which interview is this?

I think he's referring to this one: https://youtu.be/IES9GIB8U3Q

Oh yeah. I watched that one.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 05, 2020, 07:22:08 AM
Updated to include most recent info (James participates in the sessions via Zoom call, which was to be expected, but they are progressing and it's moving ahead rather well) (note that the article is a partial transcript, my indicated date is the YT post date, hence why I changed it)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RoeDent on December 07, 2020, 07:35:48 AM
Metropolis Pt. 3: The Astonishing Pt. 2: The Militia and the Music Player Pt. 1
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on December 07, 2020, 08:27:21 AM
Do you know what I would find really interesting? If this new album has one big epic (20 or 25 minutes), I think it would be very cool if they use, as a lyrical theme, some relevant and complementary story from the Astonishing book (maybe the big battle told at begginning of the book?), also incorporating some real orchestration to this song, to give some kind of a continuity feel to the new song and the TA album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 07, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
I remember JP saying there was gonna be some eight string guitar on the next album.  I wonder if EBMM already developed a prototype for him to use on the record, or if Tosin Abasi sent him some covid relief tracks..
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on December 07, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Does JP really need to make his sound heavier..honestly I think on DoT he sounds really good and quite heavy without losing much definition.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on December 07, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
Does JP really need to make his sound heavier..honestly I think on DoT he sounds really good and quite heavy without losing much definition.

Exactly this. DT doesnít need to strive for death metal heaviness for crying out loud. Just write some catchy, melodic, and memorable tunes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 08, 2020, 02:46:38 AM
Does JP really need to make his sound heavier..honestly I think on DoT he sounds really good and quite heavy without losing much definition.

A 7 string drop tuned is plenty heavy enough. People who buy 8 strings largely use them only for that one Meshuggah-ish sound.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2020, 08:28:26 AM
There CAN be some very cool uses of 8 strings. But Kotow is right that most people just chug the low F#. Sad since thereís some real potential for creativity there.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on December 08, 2020, 08:46:05 AM
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.409775855741099/3911752042210112/

This 8-string head  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 08, 2020, 09:01:57 AM
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.409775855741099/3911752042210112/

This 8-string head  :metal
added and referenced, thank you.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 08, 2020, 10:06:14 AM
But Kotow is right .

Sig'd.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on December 08, 2020, 11:47:26 PM
I bet the tuning is not from hell's depths, like G, F# or drop F idk
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on December 09, 2020, 03:52:49 AM
It's normal and very welcomed to always experiment with new gear or a new instrument but the whole school of 'let's drop the guitars to hell's depths' as Lax mentioned is not going to add anything to JP's sound imo. I think the leap he made from 6 to 7 string in Awake had the most impact in his overall style evolution. Not to mention that for example Metallica made the most heavy songs in ..And Justice and they all had standard tuning and sounded really heavy!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 09, 2020, 07:34:49 AM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 09, 2020, 07:38:02 AM
I'm all for JP using a eight string if it inspires new ideas.  I'm fully confident he will do something very creative that will sound good. Ya know, with his skills and all..   ;)
 Many have said DT should write material that is easier for JLB to sing to live.. Well, there ya have it..   :yarr
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 09, 2020, 08:48:18 AM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.

This. I'm not expecting the 8 string to be featured on more than one or two songs, though, so I don't think the album will turn into Djent Theater.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 09, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
The 8-string opens up many more Chord choices and fingerings, available. The djent trend, only utilizes one aspect of the 8-string and that is a lower tone note, where they don't even have to bother with a bassist. They may explore those chord choices, but they may not.

JP is one that may utilize those chord choices, and put them into a song. With JM, playing a six string, it's possible him and JP could harmonize.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on December 10, 2020, 12:54:23 AM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.

This. I'm not expecting the 8 string to be featured on more than one or two songs, though, so I don't think the album will turn into Djent Theater.

Djent has already ruined a band (Haken) so a Djenty Theater would be a nightmare (to forget). But I don't see that happening.

I am absolutely sure that an 8-string guitar can be used in an interesting way (although no one has achieved this in a heavy metal band or similar).  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on December 10, 2020, 02:26:54 AM

I am absolutely sure that an 8-string guitar can be used in an interesting way (although no one has achieved this in a heavy metal band or similar).  :lol

Animals As Leaders say hello.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 10, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
Damn, this recent Jordan interview (where Jordan mentions there's an idea behind the album) is super hard to watch. Some cool moments of Jordan playing piano and giving some thoughtful (and patient) answers, but I cringed many times.

Which interview is this?

I think he's referring to this one: https://youtu.be/IES9GIB8U3Q
Sorry, thought I included the link.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on December 11, 2020, 05:16:46 AM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.

This. I'm not expecting the 8 string to be featured on more than one or two songs, though, so I don't think the album will turn into Djent Theater.

Djent has already ruined a band (Haken) so a Djenty Theater would be a nightmare (to forget). But I don't see that happening.

I am absolutely sure that an 8-string guitar can be used in an interesting way (although no one has achieved this in a heavy metal band or similar).  :lol

I don't like statements like this one. Just because you personally don't like the direction the last few Haken albums have been taking, doesn't mean that the band is "ruined". I think Haken's last double-decker album had some of the best music they ever released.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 11, 2020, 06:33:56 AM
I'm  actually excited to see how JP incorporates the eight string into their music. I'm confident he will use it tastefully.
I haven't heard any of the new Haken material. The only album I have from them is The Mountian, which hasn't  aged gracefully to my likes..
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 11, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
I'm  actually excited to see how JP incorporates the eight string into their music. I'm confident he will use it tastefully.
I haven't heard any of the new Haken material. The only album I have from them is The Mountian, which hasn't  aged gracefully to my likes..
I'm sure he will yes (seeing has he has a strong penchant for melodies. Melodic playing on 8 strings would be pretty interesting IMHO







Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 11, 2020, 08:20:27 AM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.

This. I'm not expecting the 8 string to be featured on more than one or two songs, though, so I don't think the album will turn into Djent Theater.

Djent has already ruined a band (Haken) so a Djenty Theater would be a nightmare (to forget). But I don't see that happening.

I am absolutely sure that an 8-string guitar can be used in an interesting way (although no one has achieved this in a heavy metal band or similar).  :lol

I don't like statements like this one. Just because you personally don't like the direction the last few Haken albums have been taking, doesn't mean that the band is "ruined". I think Haken's last double-decker album had some of the best music they ever released.

Haken have always done some djent riffing through their career (even Aquarius had it) but they knew where and when to use it. The last couple albums, Virus specially, got waaay too much in that direction and also killed the band for me, but I'm glad some people still enjoy their music.

If JP does get into the chugga realm with the 8 string, I really hope JM goes to the higher register and does something cool with it. We'll find out in a few months anyway. Can't wait for DT15 :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 11, 2020, 08:30:14 AM
If JP does get into the chugga realm with the 8 string, I really hope JM goes to the higher register and does something cool with it.

My friend and I call that the "Justin Chancellor Rule" :)
(I know Adam Jones only goes down to drop D usually but it's still basically the same effect)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 11, 2020, 08:40:09 AM
If JP does get into the chugga realm with the 8 string, I really hope JM goes to the higher register and does something cool with it.

My friend and I call that the "Justin Chancellor Rule" :)
(I know Adam Jones only goes down to drop D usually but it's still basically the same effect)

Not a fan of Tool, but as a bassist I really appreciate Justin's playing :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Adami on December 11, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
I bet the tuning is not from hell's depths, like G, F# or drop F idk

Well, a standard 8 string would have a low F#. So I just imagine he'll use that.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 11, 2020, 12:49:51 PM
Yeah, the minute Dream Theater goes djent is the minute I stop listening to Dream Theater.  A fucking polka album would be better
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on December 11, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
I think the 8string could provide some nice variety so long as it's used sparingly. What I really hope this isn't is an attempt to catch up to the djenty riffing style that 90% of modern prog metal bands these days are doing, god knows we've got enough of that already and Dream Theater isn't TesseracT.

This. I'm not expecting the 8 string to be featured on more than one or two songs, though, so I don't think the album will turn into Djent Theater.

Djent has already ruined a band (Haken) so a Djenty Theater would be a nightmare (to forget). But I don't see that happening.

I am absolutely sure that an 8-string guitar can be used in an interesting way (although no one has achieved this in a heavy metal band or similar).  :lol

I don't like statements like this one. Just because you personally don't like the direction the last few Haken albums have been taking, doesn't mean that the band is "ruined". I think Haken's last double-decker album had some of the best music they ever released.

But I think that the fact that they went deeper into Djent ruined the band. So, how could I write this? Making it explicit that this is a personal opinion? But isn't that obvious and implied?

I don't think it's necessary to write "Djent has already ruined a band FOR ME". And I won't.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on December 11, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
I don't see Dream Theater going "full Djent", as they have never really embraced any other gente to their music through the years. They are the progressive metal band, that means they can go many directions without "shifting" genres, and that's what I think is gonna happen with the 8 strings guitar.

That being said, I'd expect something similar to the modern usage of 8 strings, like Animals as Leaders and Periphery use them, since those are bands that JP frequently talks about. Of course, I imagine he is also gonna bring something new and unique.

But to those of you who are worried and/or don't like the bands I mentioned, you should really consider being a little bit flexible when hearing what is gonna come from DT using 8 strings, in my opinion.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 11, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
here we have a new studio shot by John: https://www.instagram.com/p/CIqotHuhkF1/ (having nothing to do with Djent)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: GasparXR on December 12, 2020, 01:08:41 AM
I imagine the 8-string riffs would sound something like Viper King, where it's a super DT-esque blues-based riff that's just super low and chunky. Other examples that come to mind are the endings of A Dark Eternal Night and S2N with those really heavy sluggish riffs. Actually, one of the guitar solo sections in Veil by Haken comes to mind to, since that has an 8-string riff very much in the style of those DT sections I just mentioned.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 12, 2020, 01:35:45 AM
In case I haven't mentioned this already in a thread, I was at a EBMM demonstration/signing at Sam Ash in Hollywood a few years ago with JP and Sterling Ball. During the the demo, JP and Sterling were doing a little Q&A and during that his 8 string prototype came up. Sterling mostly talked about it and hinted that it's going to have fanned frets, which I'm pretty sure will be a first for EBMM. I'm excited to see if that design choice made it to the final build.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 12, 2020, 05:58:35 AM
I think that the usage of the 8-string is going to be a complete nothingburger. Like, most of us are going to hear something, think "hm I wonder if that riff was played on the new guitar. I'm gonna ask a musician on DTF." Someone will make a thread, a few people will say "yup definitely an 8-string", and that's gonna be it. Maybe there's gonna be a few complete songs so he doesn't have to switch guitars in the middle of a song on stage, so 99% of that song is gonna sound like standard DT stuff.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 12, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Sterling mostly talked about it and hinted that it's going to have fanned frets, which I'm pretty sure will be a first for EBMM. I'm excited to see if that design choice made it to the final build.
It's almost mandatory for a eight string to be multi scale with fanned frets. it allows for there to be more tension on the low F# and B strings so they will have more definition and not buzz near as much.  The extra length of the string allows for more tuning tension. Kind of like inside a piano, the lower strings are way longer. Same with a bass guitar.
I've never tried a fanned fret guitar, anybody here ever played one?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2020, 12:27:17 PM
I think that the usage of the 8-string is going to be a complete nothingburger. Like, most of us are going to hear something, think "hm I wonder if that riff was played on the new guitar. I'm gonna ask a musician on DTF." Someone will make a thread, a few people will say "yup definitely an 8-string", and that's gonna be it. Maybe there's gonna be a few complete songs so he doesn't have to switch guitars in the middle of a song on stage, so 99% of that song is gonna sound like standard DT stuff.

That's what i'm hoping. Like that one song on DT12 I think it is where there's a super low note but it's a baritone or 7 string detuned. But it's just for an effect.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 12, 2020, 02:21:48 PM
I think that the usage of the 8-string is going to be a complete nothingburger. Like, most of us are going to hear something, think "hm I wonder if that riff was played on the new guitar. I'm gonna ask a musician on DTF." Someone will make a thread, a few people will say "yup definitely an 8-string", and that's gonna be it. Maybe there's gonna be a few complete songs so he doesn't have to switch guitars in the middle of a song on stage, so 99% of that song is gonna sound like standard DT stuff.

That's what i'm hoping. Like that one song on DT12 I think it is where there's a super low note but it's a baritone or 7 string detuned. But it's just for an effect.

IIRC, he recorded FAS with a 7 string tuned one step lower, but then tuned the low A a whole step lower (low G).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 14, 2020, 11:21:04 PM
I wonder if LTE3 is already written and JP and JR are recording their parts while they're in the studio for DT15. Also, though highly unlikely, if they're completely recording both LTE3 and DT15 simultaneously. I mean, they're ahead of schedule and it's their own studio so it's not like the DT organization is forking out BIG bucks for studio time. It seems unlikely due to how insane it would be for JP and JR to be recording two albums at the exact same time in the exact same place, but I seriously wonder if there is any cross over. That's to say that LTE3 exists at all at any capacity. It's most likely that not even a note is even written yet. But who the fuck knows these days.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 15, 2020, 07:24:30 AM
I think the sole focus is DT15 at the moment. LTE probably wonít gather until next year Iím guessing
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on December 15, 2020, 08:56:12 AM
I think the sole focus is DT15 at the moment. LTE probably wonít gather until next year Iím guessing

Since the other 2 LTE albums strongly relied on jam sessions to produce the final songs, with a little overdubs, and apparently MP tweeted hinting that he had recorded the drums on august, it wouldn't surprised me if the album is in fact already fully finished.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on December 15, 2020, 09:25:50 AM
I think that the usage of the 8-string is going to be a complete nothingburger. Like, most of us are going to hear something, think "hm I wonder if that riff was played on the new guitar. I'm gonna ask a musician on DTF." Someone will make a thread, a few people will say "yup definitely an 8-string", and that's gonna be it. Maybe there's gonna be a few complete songs so he doesn't have to switch guitars in the middle of a song on stage, so 99% of that song is gonna sound like standard DT stuff.

As a non-native English speaker I never knew the word nothingburger exists, but I love it and I will use it a lot from now on  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on December 15, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
I could use a nothingburger right now.

Wait, is that a non-existent burger?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 15, 2020, 01:14:27 PM
At McDonalds drive-through.  "I'd like to order a nothing burger with extra nothing on it,  also an order of no fries and nothing to drink with it".    :justjen
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 15, 2020, 01:33:57 PM
As a non-native English speaker I never knew the word nothingburger exists, but I love it and I will use it a lot from now on  :lol
I'm not a native English speaker either, but it is in the dictionary, so I felt free to use it :hat
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2020, 03:47:54 PM
I could use a nothingburger right now.

Wait, is that a non-existent burger?

I'll have a half-pounder nothingburger.

I'm on a diet.  :hat
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Moor on December 17, 2020, 03:14:36 AM
Nothingburger as covered by CNN:
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/nothing-burger-word-history-what-is-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 24, 2020, 02:30:06 PM
I was just thinking, how could playing SFAM entirely every show on tour have affected the writing of DT15? The last time, they were playing IAW (a shorter album), and we got D/T, which is also a shorter, more focused album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2020, 02:39:21 PM
I think d/t was inspired more by The Astonishing, and the need to be everything The Astonishing was not, than Images and Words.

Maybe this time around since they played SFAM a lot of times it will inspire their songwriting and we'll get a short acoustic intro song, a one minute piano piece and a song with sex noises  :hat
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on December 24, 2020, 02:48:30 PM
Maybe this time around since they played SFAM a lot of times it will inspire their songwriting and we'll get a short acoustic intro song, a one minute piano piece and a song with sex noises  :hat

 :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on December 25, 2020, 05:16:22 AM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: krands85 on December 25, 2020, 05:56:18 AM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Immunity
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 25, 2020, 11:40:00 AM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Immunity
:lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on December 25, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Immunity

Scene Eight: The immunoglobulin carries on

 :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on December 25, 2020, 01:09:16 PM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Immunity

Scene Eight: The immunoglobulin carries on

 :rollin

Scene Nine - Finally Free..

Hey - it's certainly appropriate!!  :tup
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 25, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
Maybe a follow-up? Metropolis Pt 3: The Virus And The Vaccine.
Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Immunity

Scene Eight: The immunoglobulin carries on

 :rollin

Scene Nine - Finally Free..

Hey - it's certainly appropriate!!  :tup
TAKE OFF YOUR MASK NICHOLAS!!!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on December 25, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
It would be odd to have the Overture 2020 released in 2021. It's wouldn't be that long ago.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MustActFastToCoverUp on December 26, 2020, 04:51:33 AM


Scene Nine - Finally Free..

Hey - it's certainly appropriate!!

As is Scene Six: Home

This thing writes itself.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: GasparXR on December 26, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
It would be odd to have the Overture 2020 released in 2021. It's wouldn't be that long ago.
Overture 2019 would be more appropriate, since that's when the first cases showed up in China IIRC. :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 13, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 13, 2021, 11:10:59 AM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

I think we'll get some updates in the coming weeks, but my bet is that they don't want to announce a lot of stuff around the same time LTE3 is being promoted, so that the announcements don't blur with each other or that one steals the spotlight from the other.

Also, LTE3 is being released at the end of March, so I don't expect DT15 to be released before late May/early June at best, specially with no touring untill, apparently, much later in the year.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 13, 2021, 11:16:24 AM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

I think we'll get some updates in the coming weeks, but my bet is that they don't want to announce a lot of stuff around the same time LTE3 is being promoted, so that the announcements don't blur with each other or that one steals the spotlight from the other.

Also, LTE3 is being released at the end of March, so I don't expect DT15 to be released before late May/early June at best, specially with no touring untill, apparently, much later in the year.

Right I heard somewhere that theyíre planning a fall release
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 13, 2021, 11:22:10 AM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

They're probably doing that, but, JP is busy at the moment with the LTE3 promotion, like interviews. And him and Jordan are likely preparing for the Premiere of "Images, Words, And Beyond: Live In Japan" After-Show Q&A.

But I would, for certain say, after that premiere, or even during the Q&A, there will be more information about the album released.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 13, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

I think we'll get some updates in the coming weeks, but my bet is that they don't want to announce a lot of stuff around the same time LTE3 is being promoted, so that the announcements don't blur with each other or that one steals the spotlight from the other.

Also, LTE3 is being released at the end of March, so I don't expect DT15 to be released before late May/early June at best, specially with no touring untill, apparently, much later in the year.

Right I heard somewhere that theyíre planning a fall release

Hopefully not that far in the year, though  :'(
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 16, 2021, 12:20:57 PM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

The guys have not been chatty at all regarding their production processes these past 10 years, so no surprise here.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
On one hand I enjoy bands who do constant daily updates and video logs etc - so you feel like less time has passed.

On the other hand - Metallica were constantly saying the album was ' in the works ' - then BAM - one day they released the

song Hardwired. The video. And ALL the album details in one go. AMAZING. I was so excited.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 16, 2021, 12:54:54 PM
I wonder how far along they are with the tracking process. They have to be done with guitars at this point(?) They havenít given us any updates or anything, itís like TA

The guys have not been chatty at all regarding their production processes these past 10 years, so no surprise here.

Wouldnít go that far cuz we had many V logs during DoTís production process
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 16, 2021, 11:03:14 PM
True, those snippets were cool. I was thinking more in line with huge documentaries in the lines of their previous Making Of series, such as Systematic Chaos.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2021, 04:06:19 AM
True, those snippets were cool. I was thinking more in line with huge documentaries in the lines of their previous Making Of series, such as Systematic Chaos.


Now they have their own studio - it's high time we had another 90 min Studio DVD
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 17, 2021, 09:25:36 AM
True, those snippets were cool. I was thinking more in line with huge documentaries in the lines of their previous Making Of series, such as Systematic Chaos.


Now they have their own studio - it's high time we had another 90 min Studio DVD

IIRC, JP did say they were filming most of their writing process for DT15 and were planing to release a documentary with the album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
Let's hope so. I think Systematic Chaos was the last decent one we had. There were just occasional snippets for DT12 as far as I can remember.

Astonishing had nothing. And Distance Over Time had next to nothing.

Even if it's a full length documentary uploaded to YouTube - like Mastodon do - it's Something...

Mastodon did a huge Crack The Skye DVD and Emperor Of Sand had a long making of too.

Even Once More had a few episodes of them in the studio.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Progress unkown. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 17, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Updated to include most recent info.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 17, 2021, 01:08:33 PM
True, those snippets were cool. I was thinking more in line with huge documentaries in the lines of their previous Making Of series, such as Systematic Chaos.


Now they have their own studio - it's high time we had another 90 min Studio DVD
John mentioned that there will be a documentary included with DT15. The process is being filmed. (he mentioned it during one of the Q/As leading up to Distant Memories.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated.Guitar parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: SebastiŠn Pratesi on January 17, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
Astonishing had nothing. And Distance Over Time had next to nothing.
Actually, there were many video updates while the band wrote/recorded the album.

You can find links in the first post of this thread from 2018:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52849
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 20, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
Updated to include most recent information. Jordan is recording.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2021, 02:15:01 PM
Can anyone blow up the music pages Jordan has open in front of him?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on January 20, 2021, 03:37:59 PM
Guess we're looking at a May/June release?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on January 20, 2021, 05:28:20 PM
Can anyone blow up the music pages Jordan has open in front of him?

Instagram doesn't seem to have a "Save image as..." option, so here's what I could get with Snipping Tool:
(https://i.imgur.com/3Ivit0O.png)

I don't think anything's legible from that, but messing with the levels in paint.net, I got this result which may be able to show us more
(https://i.imgur.com/AVHrtLs.png)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 20, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
Guess we're looking at a May/June release?

I'm guessing June/July.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JLa on January 21, 2021, 01:15:26 AM
I never really understood why Jordan uses sheet music on stage. I can see the point while they write and record, everyone learns differently, but surely he knows all those 16's and 32's by heart by the time they hit the big stage. Personally I would just be super stressed trying to follow along to a note sheet in a blazingly fast song Ė if I knew the music anyway!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RoeDent on January 21, 2021, 04:20:04 AM
That's the way he's done it for years. He must be used to it by now.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on January 21, 2021, 04:37:49 AM
Maybe he is keeping it there in case his brain gives up for a second.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JLa on January 21, 2021, 04:57:27 AM
That's the way he's done it for years. He must be used to it by now.
Yeah, I know he's "always" done it this way, I just don't understand why! Wish someone could ask him about it one day.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on January 21, 2021, 07:34:50 AM
I never really understood why Jordan uses sheet music on stage. I can see the point while they write and record, everyone learns differently, but surely he knows all those 16's and 32's by heart by the time they hit the big stage. Personally I would just be super stressed trying to follow along to a note sheet in a blazingly fast song Ė if I knew the music anyway!

I would not be surprised if he doesn't remember everything note-by-note, and uses the sheet music as guides.

I had a discussion with some people in the past between memorizing music and reading it from sheet. At the end of the day is a matter of preference and previous training. Most classical musicians read from sheets, even if they know the music by heart.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 21, 2021, 08:29:59 AM
That's the way he's done it for years. He must be used to it by now.
Yeah, I know he's "always" done it this way, I just don't understand why! Wish someone could ask him about it one day.

You're expecting a person to remember all those notes and play them exactly like on the record.

Also, mostly all pianists play along to sheet music. They read and play, and I forgot what JR called it, buts it's fingerings as well. If you know fingerings you can look at the sheet music or anything else and play along easily.

Or, a better way to put it. We fans of Dream Theater consistently listen to the music. The bands do not, only when preparing for a tour. Even JP has said he has to look at videos and stuff to remember how or where he played that part. The sheet music helps jordan. I bet the other guys wish they could have sheet music...🤣🤣
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 21, 2021, 08:57:31 AM
All that has been said already + at least in the past he used to trigger all sorts of extra sounds and effects for their live shows (maybe he doesn't do as much now that they play with a click and backing tracks), so he kept notes in his sheet music as to when to play those.

He also goes through a thousand different patch changes in a show, so having it written definitely helps for that :lol

And, obviously, he's a clasically trained pianist after all, they eat sheet music for breakfast.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 21, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
I never really understood why Jordan uses sheet music on stage. I can see the point while they write and record, everyone learns differently, but surely he knows all those 16's and 32's by heart by the time they hit the big stage. Personally I would just be super stressed trying to follow along to a note sheet in a blazingly fast song Ė if I knew the music anyway!
I teach at a Conservatory, and for academically trained musicians having sheet music in front of you is the most common practice in the world even though you know the music by memory. Call it insurance if you will. And regarding JR specifically, he does not only have the "sheet music" per se in front of him but reminders of his keyboard assignments, such as the octave he programmed a specific sound in. As a keyboard player myself, that can get pretty complex so any sort of visual cue is always well appreciated.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JLa on January 22, 2021, 12:53:44 AM
Quote
for academically trained musicians having sheet music in front of you is the most common practice in the world even though you know the music by memory. Call it insurance if you will.

Yeah, makes sense. Now, I'm neither academically trained nor a professional musician by any means, but I spent roughly 15 years in a brass band. From personal experience, I either had to stick to the sheet, or not use it much at all. I found that if I looked away for a while I had a hard time figuring out where to pick up once my eyes returned to the sheet. Sure, the regular glance at the conductor was no problem, but if my eyes started wandering to the audience or whatever.. trouble.

Guessing Jordan does this better than what I did!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2021, 02:32:48 AM
I know it's basically like reading a book - fast readers can just scan an entire page and not go like " T....h......e.............c......a...r.......w....a...s "

It's the same for expert sight readers - they can scan the whole page and "read" the whole chart

My sight reading is terrible. I learned way too late so I was really slow at it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 22, 2021, 02:37:36 AM
Depending on the piece I almost always require sheet music to get me from point A to point B on a given song on the piano.  The biggest adjustment for me was learning how to read the bass and treble clefs simultaneously.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 22, 2021, 07:31:07 AM
Quote
for academically trained musicians having sheet music in front of you is the most common practice in the world even though you know the music by memory. Call it insurance if you will.

Yeah, makes sense. Now, I'm neither academically trained nor a professional musician by any means, but I spent roughly 15 years in a brass band. From personal experience, I either had to stick to the sheet, or not use it much at all. I found that if I looked away for a while I had a hard time figuring out where to pick up once my eyes returned to the sheet. Sure, the regular glance at the conductor was no problem, but if my eyes started wandering to the audience or whatever.. trouble.

Guessing Jordan does this better than what I did!

Jordan is definitely a monster in this area, but as far Iím concerned heís not reading it all. Iíve seen him play pleny of times without any sheet music and heís as precise and clean as ever.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on January 22, 2021, 07:39:36 AM
If you watch him, it doesn't look like he is reading it much. I think the insurance explanation is the best and that there are places to let him know what to change and buttons to push. If I played a piece from memory, but had the sheet music, it was the insurance thing. Frankly the playing is usually faster than what is comfortable reading, and I bet this is magnified by a lot the way he plays!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 22, 2021, 08:55:49 AM
If you watch him, it doesn't look like he is reading it much. I think the insurance explanation is the best and that there are places to let him know what to change and buttons to push. If I played a piece from memory, but had the sheet music, it was the insurance thing. Frankly the playing is usually faster than what is comfortable reading, and I bet this is magnified by a lot the way he plays!

I like when he said..."And these are notes..."
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: The Letter M on January 23, 2021, 12:08:27 PM
From Mike on FB: (https://www.facebook.com/100044384291096/posts/254438016045673/)
Quote
My drums for DT15 are complete. This is a long post, but for those of you just like me who need positive inspiration more than ever, this is for you:

 I've not played on an album this energetically unrelenting start to finish since Annihilator. But the wild thing is the amount of vintage DT melody weaved on to that kind of energy. I've never tapped into more advanced uses of my old and new chops in musical ways because of a monumentally collaborative effort of 5 like-minded, organic/evolving individuals. Is it from the forced lockdown like other music I've heard released? Maybe. Is it from nobody individually or collectively trying to do anything specific musically except just play and be a daring 19-year-old again? Probably. I never say that any new album is better than another. It never seems to be to me after reading, "this is our best blah blah blah." What I'm communicating is exactly what it is about DT15 that sticks out as being significant and important to me. Better? That's pointless given so many different tastes. Who cares.

 However, it's really cool that the band and individuals can keep progressing at this career stage. But we're supposed to given how we're defined. Accordingly, there's all the "familiarity" one needs in this new music, but it's definitely not the same old fills/chords/beats. Besides, what could be more boring than a defined "progressive" musician not being creative, dynamic, and growing physically and creatively from album to album? That would be kinda like a poker machine spitting out the same hands game after game, year after year.

Earning good mechanics is a great thing as it pertains to consistency and avoiding playing poorly. But A TRUE machine is a thing that doesn't grow. That's OK unless your thing, your claim, is to be a "progressive" musician. We strive to "complete" who we are even though nobody can fully "complete" everything. No creative growth truly defines and = a "BOT" so to speak. DT15 is no such thing and I'm excited to report back with so much joy. BTW: I took used items from the session for my store.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/141553361_254401912715950_8840092829493266043_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=zBmGKDtSNiQAX868YPW&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=5a139472e14e8524d9b89e4ec3c177ff&oe=6031C25F)

-Marc.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on January 23, 2021, 12:12:41 PM
"Energetically unrelenting" makes me think of a full-on metal album in the works, like Train Of Thought.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 23, 2021, 12:15:37 PM
From Mike on FB: (https://www.facebook.com/100044384291096/posts/254438016045673/)
Quote
My drums for DT15 are complete. This is a long post, but for those of you just like me who need positive inspiration more than ever, this is for you:

 I've not played on an album this energetically unrelenting start to finish since Annihilator. But the wild thing is the amount of vintage DT melody weaved on to that kind of energy. I've never tapped into more advanced uses of my old and new chops in musical ways because of a monumentally collaborative effort of 5 like-minded, organic/evolving individuals. Is it from the forced lockdown like other music I've heard released? Maybe. Is it from nobody individually or collectively trying to do anything specific musically except just play and be a daring 19-year-old again? Probably. I never say that any new album is better than another. It never seems to be to me after reading, "this is our best blah blah blah." What I'm communicating is exactly what it is about DT15 that sticks out as being significant and important to me. Better? That's pointless given so many different tastes. Who cares.

 However, it's really cool that the band and individuals can keep progressing at this career stage. But we're supposed to given how we're defined. Accordingly, there's all the "familiarity" one needs in this new music, but it's definitely not the same old fills/chords/beats. Besides, what could be more boring than a defined "progressive" musician not being creative, dynamic, and growing physically and creatively from album to album? That would be kinda like a poker machine spitting out the same hands game after game, year after year.

Earning good mechanics is a great thing as it pertains to consistency and avoiding playing poorly. But A TRUE machine is a thing that doesn't grow. That's OK unless your thing, your claim, is to be a "progressive" musician. We strive to "complete" who we are even though nobody can fully "complete" everything. No creative growth truly defines and = a "BOT" so to speak. DT15 is no such thing and I'm excited to report back with so much joy. BTW: I took used items from the session for my store.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/141553361_254401912715950_8840092829493266043_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=zBmGKDtSNiQAX868YPW&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=5a139472e14e8524d9b89e4ec3c177ff&oe=6031C25F)

-Marc.
thanks bruv. I'll add it in right away. Lovely post by Mike too.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 23, 2021, 12:16:06 PM
 :metal :corn

If it mixes the classic DT of Distance Over Time with the kinda weirdness of Six Degrees that'd be ace.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 23, 2021, 12:33:32 PM
:metal :corn

If it mixes the classic DT of Distance Over Time with the kinda weirdness of Six Degrees that'd be ace.

 :metal :metal

I agree, that would be neat.

Based on Mangini's feelings and what he says he gained from making this album, this got me really excited and anticipating to what he means by Unrelenting. If he is doing new stuff, and there was no Musical direction, just 5 guys in room jamming. This could possibly be better than D/T...

Sign me up for the Pre-order boxset... :corn
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 23, 2021, 01:34:30 PM
I just can't wait for more updates on the album. Hopefully the live Q&A they'll do after the Budokan streaming will have at least some news about it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2021, 01:42:06 PM
Just saw that on Facebook. Very exciting!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 23, 2021, 01:42:23 PM
I just can't wait for more updates on the album. Hopefully the live Q&A they'll do after the Budokan streaming will have at least some news about it.
In which case, would someone please post them here for me to add them in afterwards? I'd much appreciate it. I'm unable to watch the show and the Q/A sadly. (plus I'm not willing to pay this much for it.) 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 23, 2021, 02:04:42 PM
:metal :corn

If it mixes the classic DT of Distance Over Time with the kinda weirdness of Six Degrees that'd be ace.

 :metal :metal

I agree, that would be neat.

Based on Mangini's feelings and what he says he gained from making this album, this got me really excited and anticipating to what he means by Unrelenting. If he is doing new stuff, and there was no Musical direction, just 5 guys in room jamming. This could possibly be better than D/T...

Sign me up for the Pre-order boxset... :corn

Me too! We can expect it about 3 months after the album is released.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Keyboard parts in progress (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 23, 2021, 02:08:12 PM
:metal :corn

If it mixes the classic DT of Distance Over Time with the kinda weirdness of Six Degrees that'd be ace.

 :metal :metal

I agree, that would be neat.

Based on Mangini's feelings and what he says he gained from making this album, this got me really excited and anticipating to what he means by Unrelenting. If he is doing new stuff, and there was no Musical direction, just 5 guys in room jamming. This could possibly be better than D/T...

Sign me up for the Pre-order boxset... :corn
what Mike may (may!) mean by unrelenting is full force, no holds barred action. (English isn't my first language, although my German (which is) is far worse. Sorry about possibly being inexact.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on January 23, 2021, 02:51:41 PM
Yeah, I didn't get "unrelenting" as a reference to a full on metal album necessarily. I got it as he worked really hard and with all of his energy on the album, with no space for lack of energy or creativity.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on January 23, 2021, 08:24:18 PM
"I've not played on an album this energetically unrelenting start to finish since Annihilator."
I think he was referring specifically to his performance as a drummer, although I do think this kind of performance can be associated to a lot of styles in drumming, not necessarily only to metal.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on January 23, 2021, 08:33:46 PM
I vaguely remember Jordan saying in an interview that they did have a direction/plan for the album as they do for most albums.  Maybe the direction this time was "let's jam and see what happens".
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 24, 2021, 05:56:17 AM
I wonder this time how the people from the record label were involved in the direction of the album. On previous interviews they mentioned that they are more relaxed listening to other people's opinion about their music.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2021, 07:53:57 AM
As long as they still sound like Dream Theater and not every other djenty tech band going i'm fine.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 24, 2021, 08:24:14 AM
As long as they still sound like Dream Theater and not every other djenty tech band going i'm fine.

I think this quote guarantees us it will still sound like DT:

Quote
I've not played on an album this energetically unrelenting start to finish since Annihilator. But the wild thing is the amount of vintage DT melody weaved on to that kind of energy.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2021, 09:26:03 AM
Of course it will sound like Dream Theater.  It will sound like what Dream Theater sounds like in 2021.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 24, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
I wouldn't go as far as to say that they would turn to  djent or anything, just wondering if JP is now open in discussing the direction and theme of every other album with people outside the band. DoT was kinda the release of a build up after TA and now they are called to create the next big step for them..personally speaking I'd like to see how this experience have shaped things and what would set it apart from DoT.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on January 24, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
Is this like fearing BC&SL was going to a goth-metal album when Jordan once stated "We're entering the gothic territory" before the said album's release?

and then it was a few of the black metal inspired parts of one song on the album?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 24, 2021, 09:48:22 AM
Yeah on that Omnisphere demo I believe when he played the choir patch or something..The djent thing was mentioned after JP said he'd like to have the 8-string ready for the next album and not so from some 'creative' idea from an outsider..If the new music is as heavy as DoT it's fine by me, as long as there are elements that set it apart in a cool way.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 24, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Of course it will sound like Dream Theater.  It will sound like what Dream Theater sounds like in 2021.
Dream Theater is, by far, the most instantly recognizable band in progressive metal today and I'm willing to debate this with anyone who disagrees. Even if they go in a full-modern-metal-djent-rampage they are still going to sound like themselves.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 24, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Going from my response in the D/T thread...

This is how I see the band now...

The band has found a style that they all gel in, and they feel like staying in and exploring it, rather than dipping their toes in it, getting a taste of it's warm and relaxing and even therapeutic quality, and then getting pulled out and moving on to the next one. And I feel they did that with their Self-Titled album. That is the album that truly defined the present day Dream Theater sound and style.

They were forced to leave their current hot springs, as it decided to ease the overload of the crowd, and chose them to leave the spring (MP's departure). So the band, found a new hot spring (Mangini), and dipped their toes in it (ADTOE), basked in it (DT), and now quite enjoy it (D/T). The decision they enjoy the spring is after JP decided to make something to eat, and the band stepped out to make some BBQ (The Astonishing) before going back into the Hot Spring....

Which is where we are with DT15. And it is looking like they are really benefitting from basking in this Hot Spring.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2021, 11:07:20 AM
Yep - I can totally hear DT15 being like Distance Over Time - but a bit more progressive, experimental, possibly more heavy like Train of Thought

and maybe an epic again. Although the last one I fully enjoyed was Count Of Tuscany. But even then it was no Octavarium.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 24, 2021, 11:23:57 AM
Yep - I can totally hear DT15 being like Distance Over Time - but a bit more progressive, experimental, possibly more heavy like Train of Thought

and maybe an epic again. Although the last one I fully enjoyed was Count Of Tuscany. But even then it was no Octavarium.

Me too, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up like that.

I would want it to be a mix of Room 137 heavy, with At Wit's End epicness sound, and more of the Pale Blue Dot intro time signature type riffs.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2021, 11:27:56 AM
With the production of the recent Christmas medley - just with a touch more reverb ! :)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 24, 2021, 11:29:51 AM
With the production of the recent Christmas medley - just with a touch more reverb ! :)

I am happy with the sound Jimmy T is getting them. And I think his recording technique is a part of this amazing sound. especially with the drums.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2021, 11:31:46 AM
Plus they have their own studio.

Probably said this before - but don't do a Foo Fighters - make a huge deal about getting your own studio with the Sound City console - then literally never use it

to record an album. . . .
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on January 24, 2021, 02:43:40 PM
I can't wait for the MP fanboyz to listen to the new album and talk about how MP would have been better and would have inspired a better album.

Come on, everyone's thinking it, I'm just sayin it... :yarr
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on January 24, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Which is more annoying:  "MP fanboys" talking about how MP > MM or non-"MP fanboys" saying, without provocation, "I can't wait for MP fanboys to do ____"?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2021, 06:25:03 PM
Which is more annoying:  "MP fanboys" talking about how MP > MM or non-"MP fanboys" saying, without provocation, "I can't wait for MP fanboys to do ____"?

Yes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 24, 2021, 08:53:50 PM
Non-"MP Fanboys" just have more feel in their posts.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 24, 2021, 10:20:55 PM
I hope it has more cowbell!  :natalieportman:   :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Pax on January 25, 2021, 02:55:08 AM
It's been 10 years since they make a decent album so I don't really have much hope, but it would really be nice if they finally let their songs have some room to evolve again and made them longer
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2021, 02:56:17 AM
It's been 10 years since they make a decent album...

 :rollin good joke.

So, to you - Dream Theater, The Astonishing and Distance Over Time are all shit ?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Polarbear on January 25, 2021, 04:12:37 AM
I have to say, that I'm hoping for an album full of shorter songs again!

D/T proved that they can weave all the Dream Theater elements into a shorter song structure, without losing anything. D/T was the best DT album in a long time, because it was filled with great and memorable songs, and just enough musical flexing.

A bunch of 4-8 minute songs and maybe one song "over 10 minutes". And make that one long song really special.

Above all, I'm hoping it's going to be great. :tup D/T made me interested about future DT releases again, and it's a great feeling!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 25, 2021, 04:30:20 AM
I'm fine with whatever lenght, but the song has to be cohesive.

I mean, take any random verse / chorus / verse / chorus / solo / chorus x2 song, start to add a random intro at the beginning, a different outro at the end, then in the middle stick a long solo section that does not belong with the general vibe of the song, and suddenly you have an "epic". Anyone can stick a random intro or outro or longass solo section in a song to make it longer.

Voices and The Dark Eternal Night are more or less the same lenght, just short of 10 minutes if I remember correctly, but Voices is definitively more complex and with more mood changes than TDEN. I'm more interested in 10 minutes songs like Voices, or even At Wit's End for a more recent example, that song flows quite well and it does not try to be long for the sake of being long.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 25, 2021, 04:38:20 AM
Going from my response in the D/T thread...

This is how I see the band now...

The band has found a style that they all gel in, and they feel like staying in and exploring it, rather than dipping their toes in it, getting a taste of it's warm and relaxing and even therapeutic quality, and then getting pulled out and moving on to the next one. And I feel they did that with their Self-Titled album. That is the album that truly defined the present day Dream Theater sound and style.

They were forced to leave their current hot springs, as it decided to ease the overload of the crowd, and chose them to leave the spring (MP's departure). So the band, found a new hot spring (Mangini), and dipped their toes in it (ADTOE), basked in it (DT), and now quite enjoy it (D/T). The decision they enjoy the spring is after JP decided to make something to eat, and the band stepped out to make some BBQ (The Astonishing) before going back into the Hot Spring....

Which is where we are with DT15. And it is looking like they are really benefitting from basking in this Hot Spring.

Yeah that's a good way to put it, actually in recent interviews MM has clarified that initially he just watched the other guys how they communicate and how their process of writing is happening. When the self titled was written he was still at that stage and also he mentioned that he had things and ideas to contribute but they weren't at a 'DT' level yet. Then TA was basically a two men's effort, but leading up to DoT, JP mainly decided to really let go and try to make an album that is clearly a collective effort, bringing forth each member's ideas and suggestions.

Now DT15 should build upon that, except that -as far as they've told us- going in, the music direction will be more like an improvisational effort that will morph into songs than having pre-written riffs and snippets. The code of writing that they've developed is maturing and that's an element I'm looking forward to hear.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 25, 2021, 06:07:54 AM
I'm fine with whatever lenght, but the song has to be cohesive.

I mean, take any random verse / chorus / verse / chorus / solo / chorus x2 song, start to add a random intro at the beginning, a different outro at the end, then in the middle stick a long solo section that does not belong with the general vibe of the song, and suddenly you have an "epic". Anyone can stick a random intro or outro or longass solo section in a song to make it longer.

Voices and The Dark Eternal Night are more or less the same lenght, just short of 10 minutes if I remember correctly, but Voices is definitively more complex and with more mood changes than TDEN. I'm more interested in 10 minutes songs like Voices, or even At Wit's End for a more recent example, that song flows quite well and it does not try to be long for the sake of being long.


Ahh, I agree with you here about Song Structure. But they've been doing this for a long time. All their "Singles" are of this structure. Maybe that is what people actually miss, is their structure of their songs not being an extended version of the Verse-Chorus-Bridge-Chorus style of structure.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on January 25, 2021, 06:15:26 AM
I'm really looking forward to the album, i liked D/T a lot, and it has actually grown on me since its release.

I love the fact that Mike has found a good sound as in my opinion both ADTOE and DT12 undersold his efforts, even though he had so many interesting ideas.
Hoping to see more JR contribution, i love his piano playing, but i would also like to see less "cheesy" ballad-type songs.

The big question is James, and the choices that will be made both in terms of range but also production, as D/T was probably the first (and only) DT album on which i feel a bit disappointed by his performance.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 25, 2021, 06:40:51 AM
Hoping to see more JR contribution, i love his piano playing, but i would also like to see less "cheesy" ballad-type songs.

On DoT or on any other album he is along with JP the leading force is contribution and creative ideas for sure. I am a big fan of JR, with the exception that his solos are kinda generic for a very very long time now. Nevertheless, DoT is an album with guitars and drums booming first and the keyboards in this setting are destined to be more laid back, but I'm looking forward too in having him a little more present in the overall sound.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on January 25, 2021, 07:57:54 AM
I hope there would be more James Labrie lyrics. At Wit's End is amazing.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2021, 08:20:22 AM
I'm fine with no Myung lyrics. They're not that great in my opinion. Mainly just well-meaning platitudinous rhetoric.

Just stuff like " Look into the water - the reflection frees your mind. Time is frozen. Look outwards. Search within"

Ehhh ?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 25, 2021, 08:26:46 AM
I'm fine with no Myung lyrics. They're not that great in my opinion. Mainly just well-meaning platitudinous rhetoric.

Just stuff like " Look into the water - the reflection frees your mind. Time is frozen. Look outwards. Search within"

Ehhh ?

Not Signal to Noise. That one I think is about the Wow signal. That's why they put the "Wow" quietly in the song.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 25, 2021, 09:11:48 AM
We haven't gotten one with "water's edge" in a while, it's time for another :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on January 25, 2021, 09:19:29 AM
I'm fine with no Myung lyrics. They're not that great in my opinion. Mainly just well-meaning platitudinous rhetoric.

Just stuff like " Look into the water - the reflection frees your mind. Time is frozen. Look outwards. Search within"

Ehhh ?

Not Signal to Noise. That one I think is about the Wow signal. That's why they put the "Wow" quietly in the song.

Are you talking about the signal captured in 1977 from the Big Ear telescope?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2021, 09:19:32 AM
DREAM THEATER : " WATERS EDGE "

1. Waters Edge Overture

2. Waters Edge
 i. Water
ii. The Edge
iii. Water's Edge
iv. The Edge of The Water
v. Where the Water Meets The Edge

3. While My Water gently Edges
4. Thanks to Water for Over The Edge !
5. Water Finale!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Evermind on January 25, 2021, 09:27:14 AM
5. Is It Really Water's Edge?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Pax on January 25, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
It's been 10 years since they make a decent album...

 :rollin good joke.

So, to you - Dream Theater, The Astonishing and Distance Over Time are all shit ?
Not shit, but pretty mediocre. There are a few decent songs but none of them I would consider to come even close to some of their earlier material (Illumination theory being the only exception). And the reason why that is so is because they abandoned development sections. There is almost zero development of melodic ideas throughout the songs (which is necessary in order to have the music flow and evolve). Their proggy songs became clusterfucks of consecutive ideas, where they introduce cool riffs or sick technical sections one after another with no logical flow. What this achieves is that it makes songs more accessible to general audience, you can basically tune up to any section and you won't miss any context. Before, you had to listen a whole song numerous times and stay focused throughout in order for it to make sense. That's what I loved about DT, but I guess that's not what makes as much profit
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on January 25, 2021, 11:30:24 AM
It's the 11th DT album that i have been waiting for,since i first (SFAM) i discovered and loved the band!
The feeling is always the same (well,maybe after Systematic Chaos i had been dissapointed)
I always go back to that period,late '99,when i first listened to Scenes.
Then the wait for SDoIT,ToT,where i didn't have internet at home and i used to go to internet cafes to learn everything about the new DT album.
I always look forward to anything i can learn about the writing/recording/mixing etc.
Band members intervies,snippets from the actual material,etc.

As for DT 15,i can't predict what they have come up with this time,but i know what i want to hear from them.
Some really melodic prog music,surprising riffs and choruses,and unpredictable overall.
A dark epic song,like Finally Free or In the Name of God.
A very fresh sounding 8 string song.
And JP trying new things on guitar,but returning to his 90's melodic self.
Maybe i want too much,but hey,we all can dream.

Mike Mangini update about unrelenting material sounds really really promising to my ears.
And as difficult as it may seem for them to rediscover their musical identity after so many years,
i do believe they 'owe' us,and can deliver,a really top album,like I&W and SFAM.

Also,to not forget new LTE!
The passage of time is a beautiful song,brought me back memories,and even some tears to my eyes.
JR atmospheric passages and JP solos shine and make me happy about the entire album.
2 DT albums in the same year?2021 is going to be a great year,right from the get go!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on January 25, 2021, 06:51:20 PM
DREAM THEATER : " WATERS EDGE "

1. Waters Edge Overture

2. Waters Edge
 i. Water
ii. The Edge
iii. Water's Edge
iv. The Edge of The Water
v. Where the Water Meets The Edge

3. While My Water gently Edges
4. Thanks to Water for Over The Edge !
5. Water Finale!

Bonus track:
6. Water's Edge (Caligula's Horse cover)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on January 25, 2021, 08:29:27 PM
I can't wait for the MP fanboyz to listen to the new album and talk about how MP would have been better and would have inspired a better album.

Come on, everyone's thinking it, I'm just sayin it... :yarr

They don't even have to listen. There was news on the biggest Heavy Metal portal in my country today, something like: "The next album's drums are already recorded, according to Mike Mangini."

Of the 51 comments, only 4 are positive... :lol

It is true that a large part of the negative comments are from people who do not like DT (with or without MP), but there are a good portion of those who think that "the band died at BC&SL".

At least here, the prestige of DT is not what it once was.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2021, 02:11:01 AM
They make as much sense as

" Metallica died with Cliff "

" There's no good Metallica album after Justice "
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 26, 2021, 03:34:18 AM
It's been 10 years since they make a decent album...

 :rollin good joke.

So, to you - Dream Theater, The Astonishing and Distance Over Time are all shit ?
Not shit, but pretty mediocre. There are a few decent songs but none of them I would consider to come even close to some of their earlier material (Illumination theory being the only exception). And the reason why that is so is because they abandoned development sections. There is almost zero development of melodic ideas throughout the songs (which is necessary in order to have the music flow and evolve). Their proggy songs became clusterfucks of consecutive ideas, where they introduce cool riffs or sick technical sections one after another with no logical flow. What this achieves is that it makes songs more accessible to general audience, you can basically tune up to any section and you won't miss any context. Before, you had to listen a whole song numerous times and stay focused throughout in order for it to make sense. That's what I loved about DT, but I guess that's not what makes as much profit

That's the hottest take I've read in a while.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2021, 02:59:28 PM
It's been 10 years since they make a decent album...

 :rollin good joke.

So, to you - Dream Theater, The Astonishing and Distance Over Time are all shit ?
Not shit, but pretty mediocre. There are a few decent songs but none of them I would consider to come even close to some of their earlier material (Illumination theory being the only exception). And the reason why that is so is because they abandoned development sections. There is almost zero development of melodic ideas throughout the songs (which is necessary in order to have the music flow and evolve). Their proggy songs became clusterfucks of consecutive ideas, where they introduce cool riffs or sick technical sections one after another with no logical flow. What this achieves is that it makes songs more accessible to general audience, you can basically tune up to any section and you won't miss any context. Before, you had to listen a whole song numerous times and stay focused throughout in order for it to make sense. That's what I loved about DT, but I guess that's not what makes as much profit
That's bonkers.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on January 26, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
From MM's Facebook:

"From 2 people to me: "I heard the new DT was really, really heavy!" And my reaction was, "what the heck are you talking about?" "Well, you said it was heavy in some article." [Meanwhile, I am the guy in question being clear about what I said or not. And I still get, "but I read it." ] Hello?
  But of course! "News" copied my post from this FB page - and of course, that was copied and reposted with the proverbial "spin" on things. They all left out the same line btw.
 And then commenters added their interpretations of the false interpretation and there you have it! The news of a new DT album that will be heavy and even thrash. Thrash? Seriously?  I referred to Annihilator in a totally, completely different context than sound or genre and was dead clear and dead-on correct using the word "energy." I was dead-on correct saying this album reminded me of that kind of feeling I had after an Annihilator album that had a top to bottom energy to it. That doesn't mean tempo, style or heavy etc. Energy means what it is defined to mean, even with the melody aspect. Way different styles can have energy. I could've appropriately used albums like Purple Rain, or House of the Holy too how it plays from top to bottom. I used the Annihilator reference. Maybe because I played on it and I didn't play on Houses of the Holy.
So now, I'm putting a stop to this as it will worsen because real history shows that's exactly what happens with things like this. More people will be led astray. 100% for sure."
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2021, 04:48:35 PM
Well, to be fair to those who took his comments as meaning it would be heavy, when I read his comments about having an energy similar to Annihilator, I took that to mean "heavy" as well.  Yes, that comment could mean a LOT of different things.  But without any further context given, my mind goes to "heavy."

I get that it's annoying to be quoted out of context, or to have fans glom on to some little tidbit of information and extrapolate it into something that was never intended, but he could have been more gracious about and said something like, "Oh, that isn't what I meant at all.  Sorry, I see why you took it that way, but I actually meant something completely different."
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 26, 2021, 05:31:52 PM
He wouldn't have said anything, more than likely, if it didn't get to the point it did. He didn't want what he said to be miscomprehended out of context, and turn into a false claim and headlines of "The new Dream Theater album will be Thrash, according to Mangini", where people will then have expectations that the album will be Heavy and Thrashy, to those that read that article, or can't read his Facebook post.

I did not comprehend his words to mean THE NEW DT ALBUM will be heavy, at all. What I meant with my post earlier about Mangini and his Unrelenting comment is, I can't wait to hear what Mangini meant by unrelenting. Even his Annihilator quote, I didn't get a sense of him talking about the Dream Theater album being heavy, more so he hasn't felt that energy he is feeling while making DT15 since his days of Annihilator.

I find it funny, you are getting upset at Mangini clarifying an expectation that you, at least admitted, made, and he was probably irritated at the time when he posted it. He said it the best way he could of at the time.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2021, 05:54:34 PM
I'm not upset at him at all.  I'm just saying that he could have handled it better, especially since what the fans thought is a logical leap from what he said.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2021, 12:59:51 AM
Yeah, I agree. I didn't take that the new DT album would be "as heavy as Annihilator", but the way he worded it, it surely sounded like we'd have a d/t part II coming.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on January 27, 2021, 03:42:49 AM
Many people unfortunately take things very literally..in the crazy era of social networking  everything one says spreads so fast you cannot really control anything, especially with the millions of interpretations everyone makes..
On another note, if the new album has the energy and heaviness of DoT I would gladly welcome it..but it would turn me off if we got a DoT 2 in terms of the same direction without changing anything and playing safe.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on January 27, 2021, 03:45:48 AM
I was one of those who took it literally. The combination of "unrelenting" + "Annihilator" to me sounded heavy and fast. Looks like MM has another definition of the word "unrelenting". It's all good.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 04:30:32 AM
I'm not at all shocked by Mangini over-explaining himself. He always gets very defensive. Like - when asked why his hi hats are so high up

he doesn't just go " It's for separation in the mix and so James doesn't get all those cymbals directly in his ears on stage ..."

But he has to go on and on and on about how it's actually not that weird, actually, thank you very much.

It goes some way to backing up my belief that he only sets his kit up weird *because* it's not "usual" and because other people have said it's silly. . .

Like - you think having my crashes at arms length is silly ? Right - i'm going to put the hi hats up there then...

You think having a kit this massive is a bit silly ? I'm going to have 6 bass drums.



I know he's said he doesn't want to retire one day and regret NOT doing all this crazy stuff when he wanted to - but - he should stop letting people get to him so much.


(inb4 someone else replies telling me I should stop telling mangini what he SHOULD do - on a Dream Theater 'discussion forum')
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on January 27, 2021, 05:17:14 AM
I'm not at all shocked by Mangini over-explaining himself. He always gets very defensive. Like - when asked why his hi hats are so high up

he doesn't just go " It's for separation in the mix and so James doesn't get all those cymbals directly in his ears on stage ..."

But he has to go on and on and on about how it's actually not that weird, actually, thank you very much.

It goes some way to backing up my belief that he only sets his kit up weird *because* it's not "usual" and because other people have said it's silly. . .

Like - you think having my crashes at arms length is silly ? Right - i'm going to put the hi hats up there then...

You think having a kit this massive is a bit silly ? I'm going to have 6 bass drums.



I know he's said he doesn't want to retire one day and regret NOT doing all this crazy stuff when he wanted to - but - he should stop letting people get to him so much.


(inb4 someone else replies telling me I should stop telling mangini what he SHOULD do - on a Dream Theater 'discussion forum')


He does indeed overexplain himself, you're right.
To be fair, when i met him, it did feel like he has a very peculiar way of thinking, and he seems to have a very deep thought process which might get misunderstood sometimes.
On the other hand, maybe he didn't have this kind of interaction with fans before joining DT, and we all know how passionate/crazy DT fans are, especially given how some people are always in the corner waiting to criticize/analyse everything. Maybe he still hasn't figured out how to cope with that.

Anyway i'm really excited about the new album, with MM having found what works in terms of sound within the DT soundscapes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2021, 05:21:10 AM
Kinda off topic but Petrucci has always been the best public speaker for the band and he always, ALWAYS knows the right thing to say and how to say. I can't remember any single circumstance in which I thought "Geez, JP, get a social media manager or something". He always knows what to say and how to say it without ever generating controversy or pissing off anyone. At a certain levels it's a gift, beside the experience of being so many years in the game.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 05:27:30 AM
Exactly. JP is the best spokesperson for the band.

MP was probably the worst - with his " Black Clouds is like all our best songs on one CD ! "
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 27, 2021, 06:19:44 AM
Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but I have trouble following MM's posts... I don't know, often I just don't understand what he means or how he means it (as in, I don't understand if he's joking, if he's angry or confused etc.). Does anyone feel the same? Or is it really just the language barrier?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: tiago on January 27, 2021, 06:42:55 AM
I don't know what these guys are doing. I think probably DT15 can be released before Rock In Rio, and they'll play some new songs at the festival.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 06:47:44 AM
Honestly when I hear Mangini go into minute detail to explain every decision

it just sounds like heís trying to convince himself. Not a dig as I like the guy.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: emtee on January 27, 2021, 07:38:25 AM
I'm just happy he's so enthused about his recorded performance.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 27, 2021, 07:39:26 AM
I love Mangini, but often he uses a lot of words without actually communicating a whole lot.  It's part of his charm, and I like it, and he's that way in person as well; maybe it came from his teaching days.  But he's not the person I would look to for accurate DT info.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 08:28:03 AM
Yeah, I agree. I didn't take that the new DT album would be "as heavy as Annihilator", but the way he worded it, it surely sounded like we'd have a d/t part II coming.

With the amount of energy you can hear in the songs, and from watching some of the studio footage they have shown us, and the inclusion of Viper King. Makes me feel, this energy was expanded two fold for Mangini, if it's the most energetic and unrelenting since his those days. And that makes me think, that energy that you can hear on D/T, will be even more... :corn

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 09:05:58 AM
Also when metal bands say their latest album is the heaviest one theyve done - it usually isn't. Not by a long way.

It probably means they know its no good and are just trying to hype it up. ( not saying thats the case here as MM didn't say it was heavy - just energetic ).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but I have trouble following MM's posts... I don't know, often I just don't understand what he means or how he means it (as in, I don't understand if he's joking, if he's angry or confused etc.). Does anyone feel the same? Or is it really just the language barrier?

It's not just the language barrier.  :lol  I'm a native speaker, and I have trouble following some of the things he says. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 09:13:32 AM
Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but I have trouble following MM's posts... I don't know, often I just don't understand what he means or how he means it (as in, I don't understand if he's joking, if he's angry or confused etc.). Does anyone feel the same? Or is it really just the language barrier?

It's not just the language barrier.  :lol  I'm a native speaker, and I have trouble following some of the things he says.

Right. And even as a drummer - sometimes he'll explain what he's playing in a section and why and i'm like  :sadpanda:?? If me, a drummer ( who studied theory for 3 years )

doesn't understand what you're saying - then Joe Schmoe isn't going to.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2021, 09:21:52 AM
Mangini is a smart guy. I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

I can imagine something similar happens with his public banter. Here we are, trying to find sense to a post he wrote with a reflection of their current creative process and he probably knew something like this would happen. As my old friend Hef said, it's part of his charm.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 09:33:57 AM
So he goes out of his way to set up his kit to deliberately annoy some people - just so he can post a lengthy explanation of WHY he sets his kit up a certain way ?

Just play dude.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on January 27, 2021, 09:42:18 AM
So he goes out of his way to set up his kit to deliberately annoy some people - just so he can post a lengthy explanation of WHY he sets his kit up a certain way ?

Just play dude.

Maybe it's his way of handling everything he has to put up with, since he can't just send a bunch of people to fuck off.  :lol

Perhaps it is unconscious.

Or maybe he's just a weird person.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2021, 09:58:39 AM
So he goes out of his way to set up his kit to deliberately annoy some people - just so he can post a lengthy explanation of WHY he sets his kit up a certain way ?

Just play dude.
Artists sometimes do weird things. It happens and it should not a big deal. I cannot imagine any of the other drum candidates to replace Portnoy would've poured so much energy into this band, and that is enough for me. DT is alive and well because of him, and any other little MM gimmick becomes really irrelevant after taking that into account (at least for me). I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate. Are we really out of things to talk about regarding this band? Maybe we should talk again about how DT died after the departure of Kevin Moore.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2021, 10:07:55 AM
So he goes out of his way to set up his kit to deliberately annoy some people - just so he can post a lengthy explanation of WHY he sets his kit up a certain way ?

Just play dude.
Artists sometimes do weird things. It happens and it should not a big deal. I cannot imagine any of the other drum candidates to replace Portnoy would've poured so much energy into this band, and that is enough for me. DT is alive and well because of him, and any other little MM gimmick becomes really irrelevant after taking that into account. I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate. Are we really out of things to talk about regarding this band? Maybe we should talk again about how DT died after the departure of Kevin Moore.  :lol

Imagine if Bobby Jarzombek got the gig and we would see lots of comments on how stupid his cymbals look placed behind him :lol
(Video for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0GhbFqIQCo)

Btw, on Mike's original post someone asked: Still "high-hats"? and Mike replied "Always. but they're all twisted up differently this time." So we can expect yet another setup change for this album/future tour :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
Mangini is a smart guy. I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

 :lol

Then he goes on to explain, that when people actually sit on his kit, they realize the cymbals are not that high at all.

Shows, it is all perspective, because Mangini is usually positioned high and center, it makes his Kit look taller than it really is.

So he goes out of his way to set up his kit to deliberately annoy some people - just so he can post a lengthy explanation of WHY he sets his kit up a certain way ?

Just play dude.
Artists sometimes do weird things. It happens and it should not a big deal. I cannot imagine any of the other drum candidates to replace Portnoy would've poured so much energy into this band, and that is enough for me. DT is alive and well because of him, and any other little MM gimmick becomes really irrelevant after taking that into account. I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate. Are we really out of things to talk about regarding this band? Maybe we should talk again about how DT died after the departure of Kevin Moore.  :lol

Artists like to fuck with people. And I find it hilarious when they play with the gullible mind.

It's why I find it funny during the Distance Memories, and that entire tour, MM's drum solo for Finally Free (Finally Free ends with a drum solo), he makes musical comedy and messes with the entire band, by playing in rhythms and time sigs that are just on that line of being in time and not really on time, but they really are in time, and tries to throw them off, and us the audience as well. He knows the majority of Dream Theater fans have musical knowledge, and would notice the stuff he is doing. JP, JM, and JR really have to make sure to stay in time, as the tides have turned and now they are the ones subjected to keeping time, and MM is now the soloist.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 10:14:09 AM
I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate.


It wouldn't be - if he didn't keep on getting visibly flustered any time an interviewer bought it up.

If he had his hi hats up there from the beginning and someone asked him once and he calmly said " :) its for separation and so Labrie doesnt get all that high frequency

in his ears constantly when we are jamming " that would be it.

But he has to get all defensive about it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 10:17:11 AM
I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate.


It wouldn't be - if he didn't keep on getting visibly flustered any time an interviewer bought it up.

If he had his hi hats up there from the beginning and someone asked him once and he calmly said " :) its for separation and so Labrie doesnt get all that high frequency

in his ears constantly when we are jamming " that would be it.

But he has to get all defensive about it.

Well, what the hell do you want him or expect him to say. He is giving you his reasons why, and is also, upset that people are not listening and just have to keep asking..."But Why?" it sounds like that girl from Animaniacs who keeps annoying the adults by asking "Whyyyy?" then says "Okay, I love you, Buh-Bye"
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
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I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

To Clarify - yet again... I'm not having a go at how he sets up his kit or how he plays it. Thats 100% up to him. Of course it is.

It's just how he seems to do it JUST to annoy people - and then gets all defensive when asked about it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2021, 10:30:05 AM
I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate.
But he has to get all defensive about it.
The ever-so-popular Mike Portnoy has done pretty nasty things during his career because of emotional turmoil and that really doesn't make me think any less of him (he's human, after all, and not a God as I liked calling him when I was like 14). For years and years, he was so defensive about so many things regarding DT in his forum that you could really feel the emotion pouring from his words (there's even this song, Never Enough, which is this angry hymn about ungrateful fans lol). If you ask me, he has constantly made the mistake of being so personally open in his social media (and then you have people being asses regarding his political posts in his Facebook/Instagram) and him having to constantly filter posts, erase things and such. It's emotional turmoil (for both him and his closest fans) that could be avoided.

Then again, any of that makes me think any less of him. He's been an ass sometimes about things, but meh. We've all been. The difference is that they are people we admire/have admired and we love talking about them. The good he's done outweighs the bad by a ton.

We should all learn about John Petrucci. John Petrucci is civil, has a tranquil mind and knows exactly what to post and what not to post. He never gets into any sort of online conflict because he's smart. Let's all be like John Petrucci.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 11:00:59 AM
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I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

To Clarify - yet again... I'm not having a go at how he sets up his kit or how he plays it. Thats 100% up to him. Of course it is.

It's just how he seems to do it JUST to annoy people - and then gets all defensive when asked about it.

Has he said, he does it JUST TO annoy people?

I remember him saying he does it for fun, and also to annoy those people whom say the cymbals are too high, and plays along with it. Which they actually are not high, as he explains, and are actually pretty well placed to his reach.

Here's that interview I saw....

https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8?t=90

It's timestamped to where he says "People are just...crazy." And that shows where he is just astounded with people, in general, and their wacky opinions. And why I enjoy when bands mess with these fans.


He also explains, Traditional Style drumming. Which he does not like to play in that style. Which he uses the ride to help designate the time, while his other limbs play to the music orchestrally. While Traditional drumming, is you play a beat then do a fill.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 11:07:21 AM
I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate.
But he has to get all defensive about it.
The ever-so-popular Mike Portnoy has done pretty nasty things during his career because of emotional turmoil and that really doesn't make me think any less of him (he's human, after all, and not a God as I liked calling him when I was like 14). For years and years, he was so defensive about so many things regarding DT in his forum that you could really feel the emotion pouring from his words (there's even this song, Never Enough, which is this angry hymn about ungrateful fans lol). If you ask me, he has constantly made the mistake of being so personally open in his social media (and then you have people being asses regarding his political posts in his Facebook/Instagram) and him having to constantly filter posts, erase things and such. It's emotional turmoil (for both him and his closest fans) that could be avoided.

Then again, any of that makes me think any less of him. He's been an ass sometimes about things, but meh. We've all been. The difference is that they are people we admire/have admired and we love talking about them. The good he's done outweighs the bad by a ton.

We should all learn about John Petrucci. John Petrucci is civil, has a tranquil mind and knows exactly what to post and what not to post. He never gets into any sort of online conflict because he's smart. Let's all be like John Petrucci.

I think we need to go more towards the JM philosophy. Just keep silent, and only talk when asked, and keep practicing and playing.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on January 27, 2021, 11:45:42 AM
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I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

To Clarify - yet again... I'm not having a go at how he sets up his kit or how he plays it. Thats 100% up to him. Of course it is.

It's just how he seems to do it JUST to annoy people - and then gets all defensive when asked about it.

Has he said, he does it JUST TO annoy people?

I remember him saying he does it for fun, and also to annoy those people whom say the cymbals are too high, and plays along with it. Which they actually are not high, as he explains, and are actually pretty well placed to his reach.

Here's that interview I saw....

https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8?t=90

It's timestamped to where he says "People are just...crazy." And that shows where he is just astounded with people, in general, and their wacky opinions. And why I enjoy when bands mess with these fans.


He also explains, Traditional Style drumming. Which he does not like to play in that style. Which he uses the ride to help designate the time, while his other limbs play to the music orchestrally. While Traditional drumming, is you play a beat then do a fill.

I value thinking outside the box to do something different to achieve an end.   Eddie Van Halen's brown sound.   Rick Allen's whatever that's called that he sits behind (drum kit doesn't seem to suffice).   

I don't value doing things just for the sake of being different, or, worse, to "tweek" other people. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2021, 12:00:24 PM
Quote
I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

To Clarify - yet again... I'm not having a go at how he sets up his kit or how he plays it. Thats 100% up to him. Of course it is.

It's just how he seems to do it JUST to annoy people - and then gets all defensive when asked about it.

Has he said, he does it JUST TO annoy people?

I remember him saying he does it for fun, and also to annoy those people whom say the cymbals are too high, and plays along with it. Which they actually are not high, as he explains, and are actually pretty well placed to his reach.

Here's that interview I saw....

https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8?t=90

It's timestamped to where he says "People are just...crazy." And that shows where he is just astounded with people, in general, and their wacky opinions. And why I enjoy when bands mess with these fans.


He also explains, Traditional Style drumming. Which he does not like to play in that style. Which he uses the ride to help designate the time, while his other limbs play to the music orchestrally. While Traditional drumming, is you play a beat then do a fill.

I value thinking outside the box to do something different to achieve an end.   Eddie Van Halen's brown sound.   Rick Allen's whatever that's called that he sits behind (drum kit doesn't seem to suffice).   

I don't value doing things just for the sake of being different, or, worse, to "tweek" other people.

Wait. What is this for? His drumming, or him just doing things for show?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
I don't value doing things just for the sake of being different, or, worse, to "tweek" other people. 

I don't either.  I don't identify with that and find it to be an odd way to live one's life.  But that being said, here's the thing I come back to on that:  For some, expressing and asserting one's individuality can be an overwhelming, driving force in their lives.  We see that all the time, and expressed in many different ways.  And sometimes, that drives some to be driven by the desire to do whatever it takes to "stick it to the man"--or, rather, stick it to any dissenters--in order to assert that individuality, even if that means going to some extremes at times that seem irrational to others.  To someone who feels that way, and for whom music is their chosen outlet for expressing their individuality, I guess I can somewhat understand feeling driven to do things that don't make sense just because others feel that that isn't the "right way."  And that in turn being manifested by something along the lines of, "Wait, you subjectively believe that the way I choose to do what I do isn't the "right" way to do it?  And you presume to tell me that I am wrong for doing what I want to do?  OK, well not only am I not going to stop doing it that way, but let me see if I can even take it up a notch.  Challenge accepted." 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on January 27, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
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I remember this video where he spoke about how he sometimes plays things in a particular way live to get people upset regarding his drum placement, just because. Lol.

To Clarify - yet again... I'm not having a go at how he sets up his kit or how he plays it. Thats 100% up to him. Of course it is.

It's just how he seems to do it JUST to annoy people - and then gets all defensive when asked about it.

Has he said, he does it JUST TO annoy people?

I remember him saying he does it for fun, and also to annoy those people whom say the cymbals are too high, and plays along with it. Which they actually are not high, as he explains, and are actually pretty well placed to his reach.

Here's that interview I saw....

https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8?t=90

It's timestamped to where he says "People are just...crazy." And that shows where he is just astounded with people, in general, and their wacky opinions. And why I enjoy when bands mess with these fans.


He also explains, Traditional Style drumming. Which he does not like to play in that style. Which he uses the ride to help designate the time, while his other limbs play to the music orchestrally. While Traditional drumming, is you play a beat then do a fill.

I value thinking outside the box to do something different to achieve an end.   Eddie Van Halen's brown sound.   Rick Allen's whatever that's called that he sits behind (drum kit doesn't seem to suffice).   

I don't value doing things just for the sake of being different, or, worse, to "tweek" other people.

Wait. What is this for? His drumming, or him just doing things for show?

I'm not sure I know, because I don't know what's in Mike's head.   For me, I'd be like "I put the cymbals there because that's how I like to play them, and that's where I think they look cool.  Next question!"  He's an artist with something (musical) to say, and an entertainer putting on a show.  That's all that matters; doing something within those parameters to "tweek" people that might comment on it seems like a lot of work for little return, and with little contribution to the end goals of "musician" and "entertainer".  It's not like he's a social commentator like John Lydon.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 12:23:14 PM
Petrucci reminds me of The Edge - you almost never see Edge angry - and always speaks with calm and clarity.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2021, 12:36:57 PM
Petrucci reminds me of The Edge - you almost never see Edge angry - and always speaks with calm and clarity.

I have heard that he is always Edgy. 

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on January 27, 2021, 12:53:18 PM
I don't value doing things just for the sake of being different, or, worse, to "tweek" other people. 

I don't either.  I don't identify with that and find it to be an odd way to live one's life.  But that being said, here's the thing I come back to on that:  For some, expressing and asserting one's individuality can be an overwhelming, driving force in their lives.  We see that all the time, and expressed in many different ways.  And sometimes, that drives some to be driven by the desire to do whatever it takes to "stick it to the man"--or, rather, stick it to any dissenters--in order to assert that individuality, even if that means going to some extremes at times that seem irrational to others.  To someone who feels that way, and for whom music is their chosen outlet for expressing their individuality, I guess I can somewhat understand feeling driven to do things that don't make sense just because others feel that that isn't the "right way."  And that in turn being manifested by something along the lines of, "Wait, you subjectively believe that the way I choose to do what I do isn't the "right" way to do it?  And you presume to tell me that I am wrong for doing what I want to do?  OK, well not only am I not going to stop doing it that way, but let me see if I can even take it up a notch.  Challenge accepted."

I definitely see that.  100%.  But then if one's being honest, the answer (see my above post) ought to be "Because that's my individuality, bitches. Suck it, Trebek!"  Although I don't take the position myself, I have no place to tell others how to act; I just find the coyness and passivity of it hard to reconcile.  If one is going to be an individual, you think they'd own it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: BlackInk on January 27, 2021, 12:56:11 PM
I just want some whahŪbrido pickingant.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
Don't we all?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 01:15:35 PM
Petrucci reminds me of The Edge - you almost never see Edge angry - and always speaks with calm and clarity.

I have heard that he is always Edgy. 

:neverusethis:

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Petrucci reminds me of The Edge - you almost never see Edge angry - and always speaks with calm and clarity.

He reminds me of the edge... of the water.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
:octavarium:  :police:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on January 27, 2021, 05:50:22 PM
I really, for one, cannot imagine why his choice on how to play his drums is still an ongoing debate.


It wouldn't be - if he didn't keep on getting visibly flustered any time an interviewer bought it up.

If he had his hi hats up there from the beginning and someone asked him once and he calmly said " :) its for separation and so Labrie doesnt get all that high frequency

in his ears constantly when we are jamming " that would be it.

But he has to get all defensive about it.

This post actuallly shows you are not listening. He has already shown in video interviews that in his setup, his cymbals are actually easier to reach. It just has an illusion of being hard to reach but it is not. Because the cymbals are elevated, they are turned inwards so they are actually easy to hit.

But there are some like you who force your own explanations into why he set it up that way. That is why he becomes defensive at times because you do not listen to what he is saying. He did say in one interview that he placed the cymbals high to avoid the bleed in the mics in the toms but that is just part of the explanation. The high cymbal placement was already in his playing style befored he even had the symmetric drum kit.

https://youtu.be/k3-g0BKtPeE

He is not even stretching at all. He already explained that if his cymbals are lower, he sometimes had to stretch more because these have to be placed further than the toms and he has a lot of toms. With the cymbals placed where they are now, he can place them at the same distance as the toms.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2021, 02:56:40 AM
And he ha also said that he DOES feel tired in his shoulders - and that he has to get used to it.

Also - he has some cymbals at hi - hat level anyway - why not just swap em around

 :lol ah to hell with it - he can do what he wants.


Quote
https://youtu.be/k3-g0BKtPeE

I remember back when MM first joined DT - I would search YouTube for videos of him and every single one was that quality for some reason.  ;D

It was really hard to find a good quality vid of MM playing.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on January 28, 2021, 03:37:42 AM
Leaving all the MM chat aside, do you people expect JP's 8 string guitar to be used on this album?
Could we get a new instrumental track?

What are your expectations?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on January 28, 2021, 04:35:58 AM
Leaving all the MM chat aside, do you people expect JP's 8 string guitar to be used on this album?
Could we get a new instrumental track?

What are your expectations?

8 string guitar IS going to be used on the new album.
There is no if regarding this.
I don't know what to expect from the 8 string song(s), it will definitely sound heavy but i hope it will also be super technical.
In fact,it would be a great idea to use it for an instrumental.

ΥΓ.Αδερφέ ανυπομονώ για το άλμπουμ.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2021, 07:07:37 AM
I hope it is done interestingly and not just Chung Chung Chung Chung.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 28, 2021, 08:57:14 AM
I'm just hoping we get any kind of DT15 updates on saturday's Q&A after the Budokan 2017 stream.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 28, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
I'm just hoping we get any kind of DT15 updates on saturday's Q&A after the Budokan 2017 stream.
so do I. In case there are (and given anyone here will watch the stream), please post them here for me to add them in.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 28, 2021, 10:13:41 AM
8 string guitar IS going to be used on the new album.
There is no if regarding this.
It's quite possible, but unless you have some inside information, nothing is guaranteed. If the band basically continues writing the way they did when MP was in the band, they will come up with all sorts of parts of songs, and then work out ways to incorporate those different parts together into songs. I recall seeing video stills from the 8v writing sessions where JP was experimenting with an electric sitar that he had been gifted, and yet nothing that was written using it ended up on 8v. So the same could be true with the new one. JP could come up with different ideas on the 8-string he has, but that's no guarantee those ideas will end up on the album. Time will tell.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 28, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
I'm just hoping we get any kind of DT15 updates on saturday's Q&A after the Budokan 2017 stream.

If it does come up, they probably just say what we already know: ďdrums are done/itís coming along nicely, etcĒ
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on January 28, 2021, 11:10:04 AM
8 string guitar IS going to be used on the new album.
There is no if regarding this.
It's quite possible, but unless you have some inside information, nothing is guaranteed. If the band basically continues writing the way they did when MP was in the band, they will come up with all sorts of parts of songs, and then work out ways to incorporate those different parts together into songs. I recall seeing video stills from the 8v writing sessions where JP was experimenting with an electric sitar that he had been gifted, and yet nothing that was written using it ended up on 8v. So the same could be true with the new one. JP could come up with different ideas on the 8-string he has, but that's no guarantee those ideas will end up on the album. Time will tell.

I was gonna point this out as well. Yes, there is a picture of him and the 8-string, yes there has been talk about it for years, but that does not mean it will be used in this album.

If anything, I would say there is a equal chance (or greater) that he used the 8string for a track on LTE3. Time will tell.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2021, 11:52:47 AM
BTW, if the drums are done, it means that all new songs already exist. We're in the embryonic phase, d/t is still the last album.... but it kinda isn't anymore!

The song that will open the new concerts already exists.
The song that will be the fan favorite of DT15 already exists.
The longest song on DT15 already exists.

Who knows how finalized all the compositions are, but.... it's there already existing in DT land!  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on January 28, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
I'm just hoping we get any kind of DT15 updates on saturday's Q&A after the Budokan 2017 stream.
so do I. In case there are (and given anyone here will watch the stream), please post them here for me to add them in.

I think I might ask if the album is going to be thrashy! ;D
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2021, 12:11:05 PM
Oh and I hope that DT never do the 75 minute ONE track album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 28, 2021, 01:02:32 PM
Who knows how finalized all the compositions are, but.... it's there already existing in DT land!  :metal


From what I recall about how they write if they're doing drums or if the drums are already in the can, then the compositions are mostly finished except for overdubs and possibly vocals.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on January 28, 2021, 02:11:51 PM
MM left DTHQ a while ago, I believe drum parts were already finished then, but he's just posting about it specifically now (remember he had to drive from Boston to NY for the sessions and isn't/wasn't recording at his home).

JP posted a couple pics with DT15 in the captions, one of which is the one with the 8 string, a few weeks ago, and then Jordan posted that other pic about working on DT15.

My bet? Drums, bass, rhythm guitars and most keyboards are already done, and there's only leads and solos + vocals/lyrics to go.

As for the 8 string being used or not, he has been hyping this for so long now that I think he's definitely using it on at least 1 or 2 songs on the record. Remember JP is also very into the business side of things and nothing sells more new EBMM MAJESTY 8 string guitars than him promoting the crap out of them on studio videos and live on tour. Imagine if they released the new guitar and JP was like "yeah, I had it in the studio with me and it's a wonderful guitar, but I didn't end up using it at all in the album, oh well... guess you'll have to wait for DT16 to hear it then" :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Let's say for arguments sake that the album is fully tracked by the middle of February.

Albums generally take around three months to come out after that what with mixing, mastering, duplication and promotion.

That takes us up to the middle of May or thereabouts. I predict this album will be released on Friday June 11.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 28, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Oh and I hope that DT never do the 75 minute ONE track album.
Actually, I think it could definitely be interesting for a band like DT to tackle a one-piece album. Something like taking the Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence concept and taking it to the next level. It makes me think of "The Whirlwind" in a way.

Can't see it happening, though. It's been just a few years since The Astonishing, which is going to be always their biggest conceptual piece. Can't see DT trying (or wanting) to top it. And also, when I say top,  I'm not talking about the music per se but the scope of the project.

But hey, who knows. I'm all for a twist in DT land.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 28, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
I'm just hoping we get any kind of DT15 updates on saturday's Q&A after the Budokan 2017 stream.
so do I. In case there are (and given anyone here will watch the stream), please post them here for me to add them in.

I think I might ask if the album is going to be thrashy! ;D
:rollin again, thanks for the laughs. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Oh and I hope that DT never do the 75 minute ONE track album.

Even if they did, would it be that much different from Six Degrees or Scenes? with a little bit of fantasy the two acts of SFAM are two giant "suites".
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 28, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Let's say for arguments sake that the album is fully tracked by the middle of February.

Albums generally take around three months to come out after that what with mixing, mastering, duplication and promotion.

That takes us up to the middle of May or thereabouts. I predict this album will be released on Friday June 11.

I agree with you, that sounds quite accurate. Unless they decide to hold onto it for a bit due to Covid and whatnot. Some bands are holding back on releasing albums until theyíre able to tour for them.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on February 01, 2021, 01:30:17 AM
Idk, sounds rushed, I thought of september :)

For the 8 strings, it would be so funny he ends up using it for a 50 seconds breather doing flub flub ambient noises :D
Or just the final note of the album
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 01, 2021, 01:39:02 AM
Didn't he pretty much use a detuned 7 string for False Awakening Suite ? That was essentially one note.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 01, 2021, 06:59:08 AM
I wonder what kind of stock images Hugh Syme is digging up for a DT15 album cover?  😁
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 01, 2021, 07:09:33 AM
Idk, sounds rushed, I thought of september :)


ADTOE/DT12 were written/recorded Jan-May and both released in September.

BC&SL started in October and released June.

DT15 started in October so I'd guess a May/June release.  I could see them doing something similar to JP's solo album - "Here's the album and it's coming out in 4 weeks" sort of thing rather than sitting on it for the sake of it, especially when there's no touring at the mo. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 01, 2021, 07:58:01 AM
I wonder what kind of stock images Hugh Syme is digging up for a DT15 album cover?  😁

Careful that sounds suspiciously like a complaint. They don't like your kind round here.


But yeah - the forum pointing out all of Syme's short cuts and sloppy laziness is always amusing.

When they went with someone else for The Astonishing I was hoping they'd dropped him for good after the DT12 crop-and-rotate scandal.

Plus the fact that some of the artwork in the booklet still had the watermark on from whatever website he'd nabbed it from...

Plus not to mention that D/T was literally two stock photos composited.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 01, 2021, 08:21:57 AM
I imagine there's lots of younger artists who could make a better product than Hugh, and maybe even for less money, but the band (JP) seems to be settled with him at this point.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 01, 2021, 08:35:04 AM
God I hope they use someone else
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 01, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
I really liked the earlier covers he did with the band, but over the years it did become fairly predictable where Hugh is going to go with the artwork. Distance over time in particular looked pretty generic. It wasn't the concept I had the problem with, it's that both the skull and the arm didn't look original.

So yeah, I think Hugh had a good run with Dream Theater and I'm also keeping my fingers crossed they go with someone else this time around. Still, I'm not sure that the guys in the band can recognize a truly awesome artist when they see him. Not all musicians have the knack for visual aspects, as much as they might care.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 01, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
Maybe they keep using Syme as his aesthetic is kinda tied in with Dream Theater by now ?

But The Astonishing artwork was clearly so much better. Like actual thought and artistry and effort had gone into it.

Syme has this weird cartoony cut and paste style
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 01, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
It seems that they might be keeping Hugh Syme as part of the WWRD mantra.  I'm  sure they also got a good relationship with HS.
The Astonishing was a nice departure as there was nothing generic about it. Great attention to detail that was quite fitting to a album of that magnitude.
It would be cool if DT found an artist that is kind of like a Roger Dean, with a unmistakable style.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 01, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
To me, DT's best artwork has been Train of Thought -by far-. I love the photography-inspired art. It felt so elegant and so fitting not only to that album but to the DT experience as a whole. I hope they had used that resource more often.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on February 01, 2021, 08:43:18 PM
To me, DT's best artwork has been Train of Thought -by far-. I love the photography-inspired art. It felt so elegant and so fitting not only to that album but to the DT experience as a whole. I hope they had used that resource more often.

It's a beautiful cover.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on February 01, 2021, 09:09:18 PM
I've never had strong opinions on DT's cover art. I actually think their artwork more or less improves with each album up til Systematic Chaos, but nothing is ever mind blowing.
WDADU is their worst, and each album is a little better than the previous, plateaus at 8vm, but then SC brings the ants, and BC&SL is like Awake re-imagined, and elephants, and the Mangini era covers are pretty meh to me.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on February 02, 2021, 01:24:25 AM
To me, DT's best artwork has been Train of Thought -by far-. I love the photography-inspired art. It felt so elegant and so fitting not only to that album but to the DT experience as a whole. I hope they had used that resource more often.

Definitely one of the best ones for me as well.
As for Syme, i've loved some of his work, but lately his output has been very inconsistent and lazy.

I went to a music store and saw the deluxe version of Distant Memories, and good god there's some lazy photoshop on in. The back cover looks like fan art.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 02, 2021, 03:44:59 AM
Overall I have to agree Train of Thought had some great artwork from Jerry Uelsmann. I already knew him from, believe it or not, the Outer Limits series, as they had many artwork from him in the intro's of the show. But yeah, Train of Though and the artwork in the booklet, awesome!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 02, 2021, 08:34:17 AM
They haven't done the "add at least one element from the lyrics of each song to the cover art" approach in a while, which I think is really cool.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2021, 08:47:17 AM
I'm really not a fan of the Black Clouds & Silver Linings collage copy and paste style.

I always think it looks cluttered and silly.

I think the simpler the artwork the better ( but not overwhelmingly simple - like Bon Jovi's Have A Nice Day - which is so bland and forgettable. )

My fave DT art is probably Octavarium - and it's my fave album overall too.

Distance Over Time is a good concept - if HS made each element from scratch and didn't literally composite 2 stock images in 5 minutes.

Leat faves are WDADU, I&W, Awake and BC&SL for reasons I mentioned above.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
I actually was going to make a list of the DT albums, in order of album cover, most favorite to least.  And it turns out, that's kind of hard.  They have, historically, had really good covers.

- 8V
- 6DOIT
- TOT
- SFAM
- D/T
- I&W
- SC (both the stop light and the interchange)
- Awake
- BD&SL
- FII
--------
- ADTOE
- TA
- DT
- WDADU

Live albums:
- DM
- CIM
- LSFNY
- LAB
- LALP
- S
- LAM
-----
- OIALT
- BT4W
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 02, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
Oh, I think the DT cover is elegant in its simplicity.  I would rank it much higher than you have.

But different strokes.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 02, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
I think my favorite ones are Systematic Chaos (the special edition with the traffic lights) and Black Clouds.

I like some of Hugh's covers (like the whole artwork of Clockwork Angels and Snakes & Arrows), but yeah, lately he has gotten pretty lazy (the watermarks in DT12) and it almost pisses me off that a big band like DT can't hire a younger, more hungry artist that would probably work his ass off for them.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 02, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
Maybe they have other priorities than an absolutely killer, amazing and astounding artwork, and for their tastes and ideas of what a DT album cover should be, Hugh Syme is just good enough.

Who's even in charge of the thing, anyway? I mean, when it comes to discussing the new artwork, does their manager ask them "guys, it's time to think about the cover art, I'm gonna give a call to Hugh Syme like last time, is that ok"? I can't imagine any of the band members having such a strong and negative opinion on a DT artwork to the point that they put their foot down and insists with all the others, MP style (the self described "winner of arguments by wearing down the others") that they absolutely and totally need to drop a big name like Hugh Syme.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
I certainly hope that Petrucci is at least AWARE of the problems everyone has had with Hugh and isn't completely in the dark about how sloppy and lazy his recent efforts have been.

I like to think that Petrucci messaged HS something like " The D/T artwork is great - but come on man it's just two stock images composited.. We're paying you top dollar. "

I very much doubt this - but maybe HS does it for a massively reduced fee and gets some % of the back end ? So he doesn't feel like turning in his best work ?

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 02, 2021, 12:53:55 PM
I can't imagine any of the band members having such a strong and negative opinion on a DT artwork to the point that they put their foot down and insists with all the others, MP style (the self described "winner of arguments by wearing down the others") that they absolutely and totally need to drop a big name like Hugh Syme.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/BZVvMjxuUYGSDQAOGDSUWEXp8YjfRhpWSlAAzKWRqSTSaHFs3M4uhF1u33CiTtlzL5WD3Qz5WtOannGmAoug1CHJ_TPwxMuST8FwR2txVjhyhew2naPrOjmvy2PpS_eBg4PSp5WhvveW_zJHIuSyV-6dBYu0n3IMGgo)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Syme is definitely Greedo... I mean Greedy... I mean.. .Greedo.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 02, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
I certainly hope that Petrucci is at least AWARE of the problems everyone has had with Hugh and isn't completely in the dark about how sloppy and lazy his recent efforts have been.

Everyone?  Everyone?  Some number of vocal critics is not the same as "everyone."


I like to think that Petrucci messaged HS something like " The D/T artwork is great - but come on man it's just two stock images composited.. We're paying you top dollar. "

I very much doubt this - but maybe HS does it for a massively reduced fee and gets some % of the back end ? So he doesn't feel like turning in his best work ?

Or maybe HS responds, "John, that's a really strange thing for you to say given that it was done exactly to your specifications, and our deal is hardly 'top dollar.'"
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2021, 01:02:52 PM
Ok cause Petrucci definitely said " just slap two stock images together " .
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 02, 2021, 01:06:48 PM
I like some of Hugh's covers (like the whole artwork of Clockwork Angels and Snakes & Arrows), but yeah, lately he has gotten pretty lazy (the watermarks in DT12) and it almost pisses me off that a big band like DT can't hire a younger, more hungry artist that would probably work his ass off for them.

They need to find their "Jimmy T" for the album artwork.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 02, 2021, 01:55:06 PM
Most groups don't really give a shit about album artwork anymore and who can blame them? In the age of digital music album artwork is a dying art form.  I personally know two graphic artists who used to do dozens of album covers every year but they've both moved on to regular 9 to 5 day jobs because most groups just don't want to shell out good money for artwork that no one really gives a shit about.   


I mean, yeah, sure, there are some collectors who are still interested.  I know I still like to see good art on an album but in the last ten years especially album artwork has become an afterthought for most groups. 


If you think about it most eyes that are going to see it will be seeing it on a smartphone screen or the screen in their car.  What's the point of spending thousands of dollars to have an artist create an amazing album cover that's going to be presented to the end-user in a postage-stamp sized format?


At this point, the album name, band name and logo and some stock artwork is all I expect.  And I'm rarely disappointed.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 02, 2021, 02:07:48 PM
Most groups don't really give a shit about album artwork anymore and who can blame them? In the age of digital music album artwork is a dying art form.  I personally know two graphic artists who used to do dozens of album covers every year but they've both moved on to regular 9 to 5 day jobs because most groups just don't want to shell out good money for artwork that no one really gives a shit about.   


I mean, yeah, sure, there are some collectors who are still interested.  I know I still like to see good art on an album but in the last ten years especially album artwork has become an afterthought for most groups. 


If you think about it most eyes that are going to see it will be seeing it on a smartphone screen or the screen in their car.  What's the point of spending thousands of dollars to have an artist create an amazing album cover that's going to be presented to the end-user in a postage-stamp sized format?


At this point, the album name, band name and logo and some stock artwork is all I expect.  And I'm rarely disappointed.

Album artwork is still a huge deal. You just now need to prioritize simple, striking artwork that can be easily noticed and comprehended even when it's thumbnail-sized, rather than being super-detailed pieces that you need to view at full size to see what's going on and look like nothing from far away. Which has honestly always been the case (look at Dark Side of the Moon, arguably the most famous album cover ever), but it's more important than ever now for the reasons you've mentioned.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2021, 02:34:59 PM
Also by that logic - all bands should phone in ( no pun intended ) every album since kids only listen to them on their smartphone speakers whilst walking around in a group and talking

so whats the point ?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 02, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
I would also think the resurgence in the popularity of vinyl would be pushing back against the "cover art doesn't matter" position.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 02, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
I certainly hope that Petrucci is at least AWARE of the problems everyone has had with Hugh and isn't completely in the dark about how sloppy and lazy his recent efforts have been.

I like to think that Petrucci messaged HS something like " The D/T artwork is great - but come on man it's just two stock images composited.. We're paying you top dollar. "

I very much doubt this - but maybe HS does it for a massively reduced fee and gets some % of the back end ? So he doesn't feel like turning in his best work ?

I think JP actually likes Hugh Symes style of copy paste.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 03, 2021, 08:52:23 AM
I would also think the resurgence in the popularity of vinyl would be pushing back against the "cover art doesn't matter" position.
Good point!  I'm seeing a lot more vinyl for sale, even at Walmart.  Last time I was there, I saw Rush 2112 probably from a hundred feet away.  It was $20..00 and included a holographic image of the logo inside.   :coolio
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 03, 2021, 09:37:21 AM
Some tidbits from the Mike Mangini Interview with The Mistress Carrie Podcast

On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

He says released in September, guitar and bass might be done, keyboards will be done if not done already.  Lyrics and vocals yet to be done and it's being mixed along the way as they can do that from DTHQ.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 03, 2021, 09:50:51 AM
Some tidbits from the Mike Mangini Interview with The Mistress Carrie Podcast

On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

He says released in September, guitar and bass might be done, keyboards will be done if not done already.  Lyrics and vocals yet to be done and it's being mixed along the way as they can do that from DTHQ.

On the first bolded part: I also got the impression he got an even smaller kit this time around, this might be a sort of confirmation for that.

Second bolded part:  :'(

Third: So, most likely Jimmy T mixing it?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 03, 2021, 09:56:30 AM
On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

Actual footage of Mangini in the studio:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8xVeVPab9Bk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 03, 2021, 11:24:04 AM
Who's even in charge of the thing, anyway? I mean, when it comes to discussing the new artwork, does their manager ask them "guys, it's time to think about the cover art, I'm gonna give a call to Hugh Syme like last time, is that ok"?
As i recall from an interview, JP said that the music actually defines pretty much the artwork, for example in DoT the music was dark and heavy and the album cover art reflected that. But it didn't stop there he mentioned that the theme of the music followed the entire production, from stage presentation to all aspects of the live show. So i'm guessing he actually works along with Syme while he sends him bits and pieces from the music they are writing at that time.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 03, 2021, 12:21:58 PM
Also by that logic - all bands should phone in ( no pun intended ) every album since kids only listen to them on their smartphone speakers whilst walking around in a group and talking

so whats the point ?


That's great logic because "all bands" are only listened to by "kids" on phones  :lol   

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2021, 02:24:25 AM
Some tidbits from the Mike Mangini Interview with The Mistress Carrie Podcast

On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

He says released in September, guitar and bass might be done, keyboards will be done if not done already.  Lyrics and vocals yet to be done and it's being mixed along the way as they can do that from DTHQ.


No but imagine if he did it with a 4 piece Ringo kit.

Bass Snare Hi Hat Ride Rack Tom Floor Tom.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on February 04, 2021, 03:59:23 AM
I guess my favs are 6DOIT and MPT2:SFAM :)
Honestly I feel cringe for the other ones, I'd prefer a smoke cloud with just the name of the band to a stock photos collage :)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 04, 2021, 04:26:04 AM
Some tidbits from the Mike Mangini Interview with The Mistress Carrie Podcast

On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

He says released in September, guitar and bass might be done, keyboards will be done if not done already.  Lyrics and vocals yet to be done and it's being mixed along the way as they can do that from DTHQ.

I'm a bit confused at the wording of the bolded part. If he's saying that September 2021 is when the album will be released, it's a bit of a strange thing to say when we're only in February, but I imagine I'm misunderstanding something here. :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DoctorAction on February 04, 2021, 05:23:23 AM
Some tidbits from the Mike Mangini Interview with The Mistress Carrie Podcast

On the new DT album and his recording kit - "It's like nothing I've ever played...it's probably in my childhood that I played something like this, I don't want to give too much away because nobody knows yet...I'm going to try and do it with a lot less."

He says released in September, guitar and bass might be done, keyboards will be done if not done already.  Lyrics and vocals yet to be done and it's being mixed along the way as they can do that from DTHQ.


No but imagine if he did it with a 4 piece Ringo kit.

Bass Snare Hi Hat Ride Rack Tom Floor Tom.

Love that kind of idea. Be interesting to see what he uses.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on February 04, 2021, 08:17:24 AM
I certainly hope that Petrucci is at least AWARE of the problems everyone has had with Hugh and isn't completely in the dark about how sloppy and lazy his recent efforts have been.

I like to think that Petrucci messaged HS something like " The D/T artwork is great - but come on man it's just two stock images composited.. We're paying you top dollar. "

I very much doubt this - but maybe HS does it for a massively reduced fee and gets some % of the back end ? So he doesn't feel like turning in his best work ?

You're not Wild Ranger, are you?   ;D ;D   There are a LOT of claims in there with not a lot of backup.   "Opinion" is one thing, but when you're talking about the will and desires of two people you have potentially never met and most certainly haven't discussed this with, it's hard to take that with anything but a grain of salt.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 04, 2021, 10:07:12 AM
Ok cause Petrucci definitely said " just slap two stock images together " .

I'm sure he didn't, but that's rather obviously not the only possibility.  He could have said, for example, "I want a robotic hand holding a skull (sort of Hamlet style) against a background that is basically an overcast sky.  Put the Majesty logo on the robots arm and '137' on the skull."


You're not Wild Ranger, are you?

I've wondered the same thing.   :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2021, 10:07:30 AM
Obviously I don't know what kind of deal Hugh Syme has with DT - but I hope that the band aren't paying a huge sum just for Syme to turn in work with lots of errors is all i'm saying.

I hope the band don't think they're getting great work - whilst we on the forum notice all the corner cutting and laziness.

I'd just feel bad for them is all.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2021, 12:26:46 PM
Ok cause Petrucci definitely said " just slap two stock images together " .

I'm sure he didn't, but that's rather obviously not the only possibility.  He could have said, for example, "I want a robotic hand holding a skull (sort of Hamlet style) against a background that is basically an overcast sky.  Put the Majesty logo on the robots arm and '137' on the skull."

Do they even go that far? I would assume that they have the requirements, such as "the Majesty logo has to be there", and in this case "we want 137 on the cover", but I would hardly be surprised if it was Syme's call WHERE to exactly place them.

Maybe there's a back and forth, he shows a draft, and the band makes some suggestions... that's how we got Iron Maiden's Dance of Death, the artist handed in a sketch to give an idea of where he was going, and the band was "wow great, this is it, this is the cover!"  :facepalm:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 04, 2021, 12:40:23 PM
Do they even go that far?

Maybe.  I don't know.  I won't purport to know what the relationship is like between the band or what sort of instructions are given to HS or whether the band shares the feelings of some, BUT NOT ALL, of the folks who post on DTF.  All I know is that there are many, many possibilities, ranging from, "just give us something cool," to "here's the album; give us something that fits," to "do exactly this, that, and this other thing."  I have little doubt, but don't know for sure, that there is some degree of, "hey, what do you think about this?"
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2021, 01:41:05 PM
In reading these posts about the cover for d/t, I just remembered the fact that the cover image you're all discussing is *not* the first thing that HS had proposed to JP. The first one was far more simple - it's the red cover of the vinyl as seen in this image:
(https://preview.redd.it/cp6kd48pfe921.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=17756962928e82b80dbceefb8164720d47f84e4d)

Don't remember where I read it, but JP told HS that he wanted something more than that (or something to that effect), and that's when HS came up with the cover with the robot hand and skull.

Besides the obvious flaws, the one other thing that bugs me about some of HS's artwork - in particular the covers - is the lack of creativity when incorporating the Majesty symbol in the artwork. For me, the way it was done for BCaSL, ADToE, L@LP and d/t was pretty poor.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 05, 2021, 08:14:54 AM
I kinda like that "simple" version actually. Though I would have gone a step further and removed the Dream Theater logo entirely, considering "d/t" is already on the cover. They've never done that though and I kinda doubt they ever will.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 05, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
The "red" made me realize we never really had a "red" DT album. It's kinda hard to pinpoint a specific color to a cover art.... d/t and Six Degrees are definitively "white" albums, and Awake and Trrain of Thought are black, but the others? what color is I&W? Octavarium is.... grey/green? Systematic chaos is... yellow/orange-ish?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on February 05, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
That shade of red reminds me of the same color on Rush's Hold Your Fire.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on February 05, 2021, 08:58:55 AM
The "red" made me realize we never really had a "red" DT album. It's kinda hard to pinpoint a specific color to a cover art.... d/t and Six Degrees are definitively "white" albums, and Awake and Trrain of Thought are black, but the others? what color is I&W? Octavarium is.... grey/green? Systematic chaos is... yellow/orange-ish?

Greatest Hit is mostly red... Front cover and back booklet at least.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on February 05, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
The "red" made me realize we never really had a "red" DT album. It's kinda hard to pinpoint a specific color to a cover art.... d/t and Six Degrees are definitively "white" albums, and Awake and Trrain of Thought are black, but the others? what color is I&W? Octavarium is.... grey/green? Systematic chaos is... yellow/orange-ish?

Interesting...  For me, what I think of:
WDADU:  I try not to
I&W:  Black, with yellow and red
Awake:  Black
FII:  Blue
SFAM:  Orange and black
SDOIT:  White with red
TOT:  Black
8VM:  Blue and green
SC:  Yellow and black
BCSL:  Black
ADTOE:  Blue
DT12:  Black
TA:  Blue and grey
DoT:  White
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 05, 2021, 09:47:46 AM
I kinda like that "simple" version actually. Though I would have gone a step further and removed the Dream Theater logo entirely, considering "d/t" is already on the cover. They've never done that though and I kinda doubt they ever will.
If you're referring to the Majesty symbol, there are a few live releases where it is missing: L@tM, OiaL and LSFNY (original cover). If you're referring the the band's name, it is not on the self-titled album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 05, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
If you're referring the the band's name, it is not on the self-titled album.

Good point. I think I've seen several variations on that one, and at least one has the band's name on it (but not in the font that was used from I&W onward except for Falling Into Infinity)

Like Bosk said, I don't think about WD&DU much. :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 05, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Iíd like to have a Ďredí album. Maybe have a blood red sky with the logo in white against it? Thatíd be cool
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 05, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
Iíd like to have a Ďredí album. Maybe have a blood red sky...

With a crowd gathered in black and white ?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 05, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
Iíd like to have a Ďredí album. Maybe have a blood red sky...

With a crowd gathered in black and white ?
Operation Mindcrime? 
 I'd like to see DT have a green-theme of some sort. Kind of a darker green background with the DT font black in the lettering with nuclear green glowing around it. Or something like that.  🤔
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 05, 2021, 12:56:53 PM
U2 - New Year's Day.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on February 05, 2021, 02:01:56 PM
I'd like to see DT have a green-theme of some sort. Kind of a darker green background with the DT font black in the lettering with nuclear green glowing around it. Or something like that.  🤔

I've always wanted a primarily-green album cover, just because it's a color that's almost never used in Dream Theater's album covers. Octavarium has the grassy field, and there's bits of green on The Astonishing, but there's never been one where green is the main color.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 05, 2021, 04:36:11 PM
The light in BC&SL's cover is probably closer to grey or pale yellow if you analyse it, but for some reason it always looked green to me. :lol
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 06, 2021, 03:41:18 AM
That shade of red reminds me of the same color on Rush's Hold Your Fire.

I was JUST gonna say that! I actually like that simple HYF like cover now, but I'm sure that if it had been the "only" cover for D/T I would have ranted over HS again for weeks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 06, 2021, 05:17:32 AM
If you're referring the the band's name, it is not on the self-titled album.
Speaking of which, it's gotta be their weakest cover. JP said that the simplicity of it conveyed a mystery of some sort but I think it's way over simplified and dull. On the other hand DoT has a nice cover and I think it suited the music of the record pretty well.

Generally I think that MP's era of album covers were more diverse, interesting and more iconic than the one's we got after he left. There was an attention to detail and thought behind what JP & MP wanted to create, so their vision may influenced the artist in a more productive and direct way.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 06, 2021, 06:22:45 AM
I actually think Black Clouds is amongst their worst cover art.

I'm just not a fan of copy and paste clip art collage style.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Evermind on February 06, 2021, 08:50:42 AM
The "red" made me realize we never really had a "red" DT album. It's kinda hard to pinpoint a specific color to a cover art.... d/t and Six Degrees are definitively "white" albums, and Awake and Trrain of Thought are black, but the others? what color is I&W? Octavarium is.... grey/green? Systematic chaos is... yellow/orange-ish?

Without googling, here's what I remember about the covers

WDADU: oof, purple and flesh?
I&W: yellow and beige and brown and red
Awake: black and grey
FII: blue
SFAM: orange and black
SDOIT: beige and cream
TOT: black and grey
8VM: black and blue and green and metallic
SC: eh, very urban. concrete, somewhat yellow, Mexico tint I guess
BC&SL: black/brownish
ADTOE: azure
DT12: yeah, black
TA: grey
DoT: white/grey

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 06, 2021, 10:22:06 AM
I actually think Black Clouds is amongst their worst cover art.

I'm just not a fan of copy and paste clip art collage style.
I'm the opposite - I think when it's done in a well designed and executed way, the outcome can be really good. The Awake cover, which is another in that same style, is my favorite cover art of DT's. IaW and BCaSL are both in that same style too, but neither is as well executed. I can forgive IaW much more so because of Photoshop being in its infancy back then, and I don't think Larry Freemantle had as much experience (or budget) to pull off the cover properly.

BCaSL could have been good if it would have been executed properly. So much of it does look slapped together quickly. Just look at the wonky angle and perspective of the Majesty symbol - never mind that it looks like it's just a stain on the floor. When MP asked me to do the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary image, I wanted to make sure I didn't fall into the same trap. So that's why I made the Majesty symbol look like a marble inlay in the floor (at the proper angle and perspective!), and I really focused on trying to get the lighting, shading and shadows of the various objects to be as accurate as I could.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 06, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
BC&SL is one of my favorite covers from them. Itís dark but beautiful and easy on the eyes, and I think itís well executed - one of HSís better DT covers.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 06, 2021, 11:45:52 AM
When MP asked me to do the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary image...

You did that? Neat! I am cleaning out my garage and literally 10 minutes ago pulled out that poster. Ah, to be single again when I could have film and music posters hanging on my walls.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 06, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
I think The Astonishing is their best album art.

It just looks classy and doesn't have that weird cartoony feel of Hugh Syme.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on February 06, 2021, 01:36:25 PM
I've always really loved the ToT album art. The dark painted aesthetic really suits the music on that album, and makes me wish they would go for another painted piece sometime.

Also really like 8V's art. It's visually striking and quite mysterious looking. I didn't really know what to expect to hear before listening to it (8V was one of my first DT albums). It's simple but in a good way that builds intrigue (a bit like what they intended for DT12's art but more successful).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 06, 2021, 02:47:03 PM
I don't recall what interview it was from (I think it was from the D/T in-studio interview thing), but I remember at one point JLB said that BC&SL was his favourite DT cover art.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 06, 2021, 03:56:07 PM
Octavarium has the best cover. It's all Uber Nuggets is why I like the cover and the Liner Notes. 5's and 8's and 3's will always haunt me....  :yarr

I wonder what Mangini thinks about Octavariums Nuggets...
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Peter Mc on February 06, 2021, 07:43:51 PM
In reading these posts about the cover for d/t, I just remembered the fact that the cover image you're all discussing is *not* the first thing that HS had proposed to JP. The first one was far more simple - it's the red cover of the vinyl as seen in this image:
(https://preview.redd.it/cp6kd48pfe921.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=17756962928e82b80dbceefb8164720d47f84e4d)

Don't remember where I read it, but JP told HS that he wanted something more than that (or something to that effect), and that's when HS came up with the cover with the robot hand and skull.

Besides the obvious flaws, the one other thing that bugs me about some of HS's artwork - in particular the covers - is the lack of creativity when incorporating the Majesty symbol in the artwork. For me, the way it was done for BCaSL, ADToE, L@LP and d/t was pretty poor.

Red cover looks pretty nice but looks very Rush to me.  I quite like the cover they went with though, more-so than some of the other recent ones.

Funny that you mention the original LSFNY cover not having the majesty logo on.  I always remember trying to work out if theyíd arranged the barbed wire into the logo but alas no.  Donít think the majesty logo is on the art book cover for the Distant Memories live album either.  At least Iíve never found it anyway.

Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on February 06, 2021, 08:15:18 PM
The artbook for the U.K. release has an unmistakable and pretty cool looking logo.  That's the version I purchased.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 07, 2021, 08:46:44 AM
When MP asked me to do the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary image, I wanted to make sure I didn't fall into the same trap. So that's why I made the Majesty symbol look like a marble inlay in the floor (at the proper angle and perspective!), and I really focused on trying to get the lighting, shading and shadows of the various objects to be as accurate as I could.

Could you post a picture of that please?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2021, 10:47:31 AM
Of course, how much of it they play would depend on whether they are still doing an evening-with show, or whether they are touring with another band (such as a certain co-headlining tour I heard rumors of a little while back).

Quoting this post from the SDOIT anniversary thread because it reminded me of the co-headlining tour that MM teased a year ago on an interview, that obviously never happened because of covid.

Touring still isn't a sure thing yet, and DT15 will apparently be released towards the end of the year, but I don't think they've scrapped the plans to do this. 2022 maybe?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jadiggerdt on February 07, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
New album will be released in sept. Hopefully tour from jan 2022. #fuck covid
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 07, 2021, 01:14:15 PM
What was the rumor/tease of the co-headliner?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on February 07, 2021, 01:32:59 PM
What was the rumor/tease of the co-headliner?
:corn
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
What was the rumor/tease of the co-headliner?
:corn

MM originally said here: https://youtu.be/9sDyhyC8A5k?t=574 that they were planning a special tour with someone else for the fall (2020, before everything went down). And now you get Bosk's post, who we all know might have heard something from good sources ;)

I don't think any other member has made comments about this, but if it was such an special tour they were planning, I think they'd try to keep it in the cards once/if touring is possible again.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2021, 02:08:36 PM
I actually think Black Clouds is amongst their worst cover art.

I'm just not a fan of copy and paste clip art collage style.
I'm the opposite - I think when it's done in a well designed and executed way, the outcome can be really good. The Awake cover, which is another in that same style, is my favorite cover art of DT's. IaW and BCaSL are both in that same style too, but neither is as well executed. I can forgive IaW much more so because of Photoshop being in its infancy back then, and I don't think Larry Freemantle had as much experience (or budget) to pull off the cover properly.

BCaSL could have been good if it would have been executed properly. So much of it does look slapped together quickly. Just look at the wonky angle and perspective of the Majesty symbol - never mind that it looks like it's just a stain on the floor. When MP asked me to do the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary image, I wanted to make sure I didn't fall into the same trap. So that's why I made the Majesty symbol look like a marble inlay in the floor (at the proper angle and perspective!), and I really focused on trying to get the lighting, shading and shadows of the various objects to be as accurate as I could.

I'd not seen that before.  That's bad ass, bud.  Nice work.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 07, 2021, 07:12:23 PM
You did that? Neat! I am cleaning out my garage and literally 10 minutes ago pulled out that poster. Ah, to be single again when I could have film and music posters hanging on my walls.
I did - glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, I can relate to batchelor decor as opposed to married decor!  ;D
 
 
Could you post a picture of that please?
I don't have the poster image handy, but seeing as the same image was used (with a few tweaks) for the last/latest edition of Lifting Shadows, hopefully this will work for you:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_32da9972-7d55-406e-8ea5-e70eed4f048b?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
 
 
I'd not seen that before.  That's bad ass, bud.  Nice work.
Really? Surprised you hadn't! But thanks for the compliment!  :)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 07, 2021, 11:37:51 PM
Not bad.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 07, 2021, 11:41:07 PM
You did that? Neat! I am cleaning out my garage and literally 10 minutes ago pulled out that poster. Ah, to be single again when I could have film and music posters hanging on my walls.
I did - glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, I can relate to batchelor decor as opposed to married decor!  ;D
 
 
Could you post a picture of that please?
I don't have the poster image handy, but seeing as the same image was used (with a few tweaks) for the last/latest edition of Lifting Shadows, hopefully this will work for you:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_32da9972-7d55-406e-8ea5-e70eed4f048b?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
 
 
I'd not seen that before.  That's bad ass, bud.  Nice work.
Really? Surprised you hadn't! But thanks for the compliment!  :)
Well now that the elephant is out of the room, that's a pretty good picture. 😁
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 08, 2021, 03:57:07 AM
Nice work Scotty! What is that little red object next to the unicyclist? Also, how did you make the shadow of the unicyclist?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2021, 07:21:31 AM
Well now that the elephant is out of the room, that's a pretty good picture. 😁
Thank you.  :)  That elephant was always one of the things that bothered me about the original image - the shading seemed all wrong on it, and the image itself (besides the shading) didn't look very realistic either, like it was CGI.
 
 
Nice work Scotty! What is that little red object next to the unicyclist?
Thanks! Are you talking about the object on the floor actually next to the unicyclist's shadow? That's the majesty branding iron from WDaDU.


Also, how did you make the shadow of the unicyclist?
First, I had to cut the unicyclist out of the ADToE cover, which resulted in me having a mask. I mirrored that mask and created a new fill layer, applying that mask to it, filling it in with a flat black color, setting that layer to multiply and reduced the opacity (don't remember by how much). Then I skewed it to the correct angle. After that, I blurred the shadow a little, undid the blur but set the history brush to *after* the blur, and applied this history brush to most of the shadow. I repeated the same step multiple times, progressively adding a heavier blur each time, but only applying the history brush to progressively less of the shadow (the further away it was from the unicyclist). Finally, I used a very large, heavily feathered brush set at a reduced opacity to further reduce the darkness of the shadow (again, the further away it was from the unicyclist). Does that all make sense? Hope so! And thus concludes today's Photoshop lesson!  :biggrin:

(Keep in mind that there may have been easier/faster/more efficient ways to achieve the effect, but that's how I did it with the limited knowledge I had, and considering that I created the image 11 years ago - I'm sure Photoshop has improved in different ways that might make accomplishing the same task easier now)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DanLore on February 08, 2021, 10:58:33 AM
I'll stick to audio projects.  I'm not smart enough for this stuff!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2021, 11:41:09 AM
It took me three hours to superimpose TAC's cousin's face on his body once, and about an hour and a half to put a Santa's hat on good ol' Statler over there.  So you have my compliments, for sure. :)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2021, 12:21:01 PM
What was the rumor/tease of the co-headliner?
:corn

MM originally said here: https://youtu.be/9sDyhyC8A5k?t=574 that they were planning a special tour with someone else for the fall (2020, before everything went down). And now you get Bosk's post, who we all know might have heard something from good sources ;)

I don't think any other member has made comments about this, but if it was such an special tour they were planning, I think they'd try to keep it in the cards once/if touring is possible again.

Yes, I heard it from a VERY reliable source.  And as far as I know, it's still tentatively in the works for whenever restrictions lift.  But who knows?  As the months pass, priorities change, so I guess we'll see when the time comes. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 08, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
What was the rumor/tease of the co-headliner?
:corn

MM originally said here: https://youtu.be/9sDyhyC8A5k?t=574 that they were planning a special tour with someone else for the fall (2020, before everything went down). And now you get Bosk's post, who we all know might have heard something from good sources ;)

I don't think any other member has made comments about this, but if it was such an special tour they were planning, I think they'd try to keep it in the cards once/if touring is possible again.

Yes, I heard it from a VERY reliable source.  And as far as I know, it's still tentatively in the works for whenever restrictions lift.  But who knows?  As the months pass, priorities change, so I guess we'll see when the time comes.

Any hints on who could be the co-headliner? :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2021, 12:37:24 PM
Nope.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 08, 2021, 12:38:45 PM
Nope.  :biggrin:

It was worth the try :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2021, 12:45:21 PM
I don't blame you.  I would have asked if the tables were turned.  :)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on February 11, 2021, 07:44:20 PM
About Mike saying the release will be in September...

Do you guys think that LTE3 date of release has something to do with it?
Maybe John didn't want to collide the marketing for a new DT record with the LTE3 repercussion, I don't know.

Or maybe it's more about the timeline of the production itself that had to be a bit extended, with James also working on a new album and stuff, they took it a little slower.

Cause given the fact that they started working on this one in October, it'd "normally" arrive about 8 months later, around June, right?! It was even being discussed here that this was a possible time of release.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2021, 07:48:58 PM
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that with late summer/fall seemingly the target now for when concerts will resume, on what scale no one still knows, they probably don't want to release it too soon and then have a big chunk of time in between its release and when they can tour on it. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
Sure, the later release date will allow those other projects to breathe, but perhaps it is being released later in the year to coincide with the hope of possible touring.


Ninja'd by Kev!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on February 12, 2021, 02:50:27 AM
Yeah, there's that too!
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 13, 2021, 12:16:05 AM
I finally got around to listening to that Mistress Carrie podcast to confirm that MM actually said it'd be out in September. If anyone else wants to do the same, it's in the last 5 minutes of a 2 hour podcast, so it might save you some time to know that. :lol

I think the thing that struck me about it was his certainty of it. He didn't say "around September"; he directly said "the plan is to release it in September (paraphrasing)", & I think the album's too early in development to give that kind of precise estimation. My theory is that September is the deadline that the label gave to the band. If that's the case, the label's probably planned their release schedule around that (for reasons others have discussed above), so I imagine that's when they'll release it, even if it's finished earlier than expected.

This is just speculation, & idk if it adds anything to the discussion, but I wanted to share my thoughts.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2021, 04:29:55 AM
It's nearly March now.

September is not THAT far away. Not if you're on DTF every day looking for updates. If you occupy yourself in the summer - September will be here in no time at all.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 13, 2021, 05:48:07 PM
It's nearly March now.

September is not THAT far away. Not if you're on DTF every day looking for updates. If you occupy yourself in the summer - September will be here in no time at all.

:huh: I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 13, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on February 13, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
We're going to have LTEƎ to tide us over for the next 6 months.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 13, 2021, 10:25:13 PM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 14, 2021, 12:00:26 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.

I do think it's a good sign. My initial concern was that they'd finish the album on their regular pace (which is about 5 months of recording, & would finish in March) & then just wait until September to release it, but it seems they're actually using that time to work on it more, & I think that's cool of them. :D

Of course, it's not guaranteed that they won't still finish in March or April, but I'd be down for them spending as much time as they can working on it before the deadline. I wouldn't want them to become a band that only releases an album once every 5-6 years, but a few extra months is ok in my book. :tup
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2021, 04:55:03 AM
Didn't they say they're never short of ideas ? Like - they'd be writing in the studio and everyone would always have several different ideas

as to where the song could go next ? I don't think they're rushing - just that they have 4 virtuoso musicians in the band and there's never any shortage of ideas.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2021, 06:55:45 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.
edited the timeline, thanks very much.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2021, 07:12:51 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.

I do think it's a good sign. My initial concern was that they'd finish the album on their regular pace (which is about 5 months of recording, & would finish in March) & then just wait until September to release it, but it seems they're actually using that time to work on it more, & I think that's cool of them. :D

Of course, it's not guaranteed that they won't still finish in March or April, but I'd be down for them spending as much time as they can working on it before the deadline. I wouldn't want them to become a band that only releases an album once every 5-6 years, but a few extra months is ok in my book. :tup
I very much approve of them taking their time this time around (especially after D/T having been made so quickly (far too quickly IMHO, it suffered massively because of it)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on February 14, 2021, 08:52:22 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.

I do think it's a good sign. My initial concern was that they'd finish the album on their regular pace (which is about 5 months of recording, & would finish in March) & then just wait until September to release it, but it seems they're actually using that time to work on it more, & I think that's cool of them. :D

Of course, it's not guaranteed that they won't still finish in March or April, but I'd be down for them spending as much time as they can working on it before the deadline. I wouldn't want them to become a band that only releases an album once every 5-6 years, but a few extra months is ok in my book. :tup
I very much approve of them taking their time this time around (especially after D/T having been made so quickly (far too quickly IMHO, it suffered massively because of it)

Statements like this one make no sense to me. How would D/T be better the longer they take to write it? What if it took 8 months to write and record but you get the exact same product? Would you be satisfied knowing they took their time? From a producers point of view, what would you have done differently to ensure that D/T would not suffer and how does D/T suffer in the first place?
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2021, 09:11:19 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.

I do think it's a good sign. My initial concern was that they'd finish the album on their regular pace (which is about 5 months of recording, & would finish in March) & then just wait until September to release it, but it seems they're actually using that time to work on it more, & I think that's cool of them. :D

Of course, it's not guaranteed that they won't still finish in March or April, but I'd be down for them spending as much time as they can working on it before the deadline. I wouldn't want them to become a band that only releases an album once every 5-6 years, but a few extra months is ok in my book. :tup
I very much approve of them taking their time this time around (especially after D/T having been made so quickly (far too quickly IMHO, it suffered massively because of it)

Statements like this one make no sense to me. How would D/T be better the longer they take to write it? What if it took 8 months to write and record but you get the exact same product? Would you be satisfied knowing they took their time? From a producers point of view, what would you have done differently to ensure that D/T would not suffer and how does D/T suffer in the first place?
work out the music far more (IMHO, they are capable of doing that, and they purposefully did not do it. It's (largely) extremely simplistic, for their current lineup that is. Too simplistic (and phoned in).Hopefully DT15 will be more worked out.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 14, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
Jordan posted yesterday on Patreon that he's getting ready for keyboard tracking with a picture of his new Moog One synth in the studio.

It seems they're really taking their time (pun not intended) to record the album this time, because there's no pressure to get it out quickly.

I wanted them to finish and release it sooner, but now I hope this makes all the fans that were asking for them to sit with the material for a while before recording it immediately happy.

I do think it's a good sign. My initial concern was that they'd finish the album on their regular pace (which is about 5 months of recording, & would finish in March) & then just wait until September to release it, but it seems they're actually using that time to work on it more, & I think that's cool of them. :D

Of course, it's not guaranteed that they won't still finish in March or April, but I'd be down for them spending as much time as they can working on it before the deadline. I wouldn't want them to become a band that only releases an album once every 5-6 years, but a few extra months is ok in my book. :tup
I very much approve of them taking their time this time around (especially after D/T having been made so quickly (far too quickly IMHO, it suffered massively because of it)

Statements like this one make no sense to me. How would D/T be better the longer they take to write it? What if it took 8 months to write and record but you get the exact same product? Would you be satisfied knowing they took their time? From a producers point of view, what would you have done differently to ensure that D/T would not suffer and how does D/T suffer in the first place?
work out the music far more (IMHO, they are capable of doing that, and they purposefully did not do it. It's (largely) extremely simplistic, for their current lineup that is. Too simplistic (and phoned in).Hopefully DT15 will be more worked out.)

How could they work out the music more? They felt that, each song needed what was needed for that song, and felt it didn't need anything more. I mean they used a raw demo for the ending of At Wits End because they liked it so much that they likely tried writing an ending, but it didn't capture what they felt the raw demo ending did.

They also, only have so much studio time, to Write and Record. Which is why they bring in Demos. But this time, they decided to jam, and then take those ideas and create songs from them. While also, condensing them into shorter length tracks. It's easy for Dream Theater to make a long song, it's a challenge for them to condense all that into one song.

And now, since they have their own studio. They don't have a time limit of how long they can be there. They are able to do a lot more stuff in house now they have their own studio.


You have some really high standards for the band...
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 14, 2021, 11:33:58 AM
I am no musician or writer, but I have heard from those who are, and I think it is a fair analogy, that writing can be like cooking. You can over-cook something just as easily as you can under-cook something, Spending more time on a dish, or a song, isn't by default going to make it better.

If you think they did not spend a proper amount of DoT, or that more time would have made it more enjoyable for your, I won't challenge that criticism.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
I am no musician or writer, but I have heard from those who are, and I think it is a fair analogy, that writing can be like cooking. You can over-cook something just as easily as you can under-cook something, Spending more time on a dish, or a song, isn't by default going to make it better.

If you think they did not spend a proper amount of DoT, or that more time would have made it more enjoyable for your, I won't challenge that criticism.
it is possible that, had D/T been fully "cooked out" as it were, I'd have enjoyed it far more, yes. (at the same time, I don't fault the people who do love it. Let them have it :D ) Hence why I'm a bit more optimistic about DT15, given that they apparently are taking their time with it.  I am back once their is an update to add to the timeline. (and one more thing, ever since MM joined, we have been spoiled by a run of very very highly consistent albums (great!), so D/T was quite a step down, to me anyway.)
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
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Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
It's nearly March now.

September is not THAT far away. Not if you're on DTF every day looking for updates. If you occupy yourself in the summer - September will be here in no time at all.

:huh: I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.


k
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on February 14, 2021, 03:19:02 PM
I think Dream Theater writes exactly the album they want to write. They wanted to do a more condensed record this time. Thats what they said they wanted to do and I take it that way. I believe they have written other albums in quickish fashion also. (I am pretty sure I have read that, but could be wrong). It would be really funny if they had this whole year plus to make a new record, and it was ďcondensedĒ as well.  :lol Then what would the reason be, but none other than doing exactly what they want.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 14, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
The only reason I could see them doing a condensed album is due to other projects such as LTE3, Terminal Velocity, Mangini solo album etc. It's wise to let those releases run their course before the new DT album diverts the attention away from them.
However those reasons are just speculation and probably won't have any impact on the quality of DT15.  Those guys are musical machines and it's no problem for them to crank out good music in a short time span. If one good thing came out of this pandemic, it allowed them more time to record in the studio.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
To me the perfect album length is around 45 - 60 minutes.

Hardwired to Self Destruct is great - but if you add in Lords Of Summer - it's nearly a 90 minute album. I never listen to it from start to finish in one go.

On the other hand - I feel gypped when bands take 5+ years to release an album and it's literally like 33 minutes long. ***

I didn't mind that Green Day's Father Of All was 26 minutes in total though for some reason - as I really enjoy that album.

Bryan Adams " Get Up " was like 6 years after his previous, and far superior album " 11 " and it was like 9 songs and 30 mins. . .

It's like... come on Bry -  chuck a couple more songs on there...






*** - Unless they're absolutely cracking of course. Therapy? released a Troublegum follow up called CLEAVE in 2018 - and it was 10 songs and 33 minutes.

But it was all killer zero filler. It had no fat on it at all. It was their best album in YEARS.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: erwinrafael on February 14, 2021, 05:57:19 PM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RandalGraves on February 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.

I think those are amazing tracks - some of their best in the Mangini era - but I don't think D/T is their best either. Undercooked is definitely not the right term, as no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is. There was definitely a way to word it better than the other user, hahah. For me personally, their first three tracks are a bore (They've had much better singles than Untethered Angel, Paralyzed is a lesser BMU, BMD, and Fall into the Light does nothing for me). The album really picks up for me with Barstool Warrior through At Wit's End. Those tracks are fresh, they're fun and they really deliver. The rest of the album after...is just okay. Out of Reach is an okay ballad. I'll never switch over to it, but if it's end I let it play out. Pale Blue Dot has a killer opening riff, but I don't think the rest of the track lives up to your typical epic closer. Viper King is a fun bonus track, but I consider it exactly that; a bonus.

So with that all that, D/T is an album for me that is some insanely solid tracks surrounded by some filler. And my most controversial opinion...is that I think the production is kinda trash. The guitars and drums are all the way up, and the keys and vocals are buried in the mix (not to mention I don't care for some of the effects).

But whatever. It's okay to have different opinions about an album. DT has been doing it's thing for a while and I'd argue none of it is surprising at this point. Maybe a few new elements here and there, but they pretty consistently deliver what they're known for. And I'll always be there first day to enjoy a good portion of it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on February 14, 2021, 10:36:40 PM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.

I think those are amazing tracks - some of their best in the Mangini era - but I don't think D/T is their best either. Undercooked is definitely not the right term, as no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is. There was definitely a way to word it better than the other user, hahah. For me personally, their first three tracks are a bore (They've had much better singles than Untethered Angel, Paralyzed is a lesser BMU, BMD, and Fall into the Light does nothing for me). The album really picks up for me with Barstool Warrior through At Wit's End. Those tracks are fresh, they're fun and they really deliver. The rest of the album after...is just okay. Out of Reach is an okay ballad. I'll never switch over to it, but if it's end I let it play out. Pale Blue Dot has a killer opening riff, but I don't think the rest of the track lives up to your typical epic closer. Viper King is a fun bonus track, but I consider it exactly that; a bonus.

So with that all that, D/T is an album for me that is some insanely solid tracks surrounded by some filler. And my most controversial opinion...is that I think the production is kinda trash. The guitars and drums are all the way up, and the keys and vocals are buried in the mix (not to mention I don't care for some of the effects).

But whatever. It's okay to have different opinions about an album. DT has been doing it's thing for a while and I'd argue none of it is surprising at this point. Maybe a few new elements here and there, but they pretty consistently deliver what they're known for. And I'll always be there first day to enjoy a good portion of it.

This is an excellent take.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 15, 2021, 03:27:57 PM
I finally got around to listening to that Mistress Carrie podcast to confirm that MM actually said it'd be out in September. If anyone else wants to do the same, it's in the last 5 minutes of a 2 hour podcast, so it might save you some time to know that. :lol

I think the thing that struck me about it was his certainty of it. He didn't say "around September"; he directly said "the plan is to release it in September (paraphrasing)", & I think the album's too early in development to give that kind of precise estimation. My theory is that September is the deadline that the label gave to the band. If that's the case, the label's probably planned their release schedule around that (for reasons others have discussed above), so I imagine that's when they'll release it, even if it's finished earlier than expected.

This is just speculation, & idk if it adds anything to the discussion, but I wanted to share my thoughts.
I just added the podcast interview link into the timeline. Thanks very much. Sorry it took so long.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 16, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.

I think those are amazing tracks - some of their best in the Mangini era - but I don't think D/T is their best either. Undercooked is definitely not the right term, as no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.  I think the original criticism here is a valid one.  "Undercooked" might be an odd way of putting it, but there is definitely a correlation between the amount of time spent working on something and its relative quality.  It is literally impossible to produce a high quality full album recording (45 minutes or more) in the studio in 3 days.  But if you take your time with it, say, 30 days instead of 3, and you spend that time fully developing all of the ideas that make the final cut I would venture to say that you will be producing a superior product to that of a project rushed through recording and post-production in a shorter amount of time. 


Now obviously I wasn't in the studio with Dream Theater when they recorded Distance over Time but to me quite a bit of the material feels underdeveloped, particularly Pale Blue Dot, which I think was a huge missed opportunity.  I'm also not fond of some of the production choices that were made, but that's a pretty minor gripe.  But to say that "no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is" well, with all due respect, you're wrong.  Time in the studio matters.  Time spent developing a composition matters.  Sure, at some point you're just going to be needlessly tinkering, but I know every song I've ever written has benefitted from more time spent in the refinement process and the quality of my recorded output is always better when I spend more time paying attention to details.     
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 16, 2021, 12:50:19 PM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.

I think those are amazing tracks - some of their best in the Mangini era - but I don't think D/T is their best either. Undercooked is definitely not the right term, as no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.  I think the original criticism here is a valid one.  "Undercooked" might be an odd way of putting it, but there is definitely a correlation between the amount of time spent working on something and its relative quality.  It is literally impossible to produce a high quality full album recording (45 minutes or more) in the studio in 3 days.  But if you take your time with it, say, 30 days instead of 3, and you spend that time fully developing all of the ideas that make the final cut I would venture to say that you will be producing a superior product to that of a project rushed through recording and post-production in a shorter amount of time. 


Now obviously I wasn't in the studio with Dream Theater when they recorded Distance over Time but to me quite a bit of the material feels underdeveloped, particularly Pale Blue Dot, which I think was a huge missed opportunity.  I'm also not fond of some of the production choices that were made, but that's a pretty minor gripe.  But to say that "no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is" well, with all due respect, you're wrong.  Time in the studio matters.  Time spent developing a composition matters.  Sure, at some point you're just going to be needlessly tinkering, but I know every song I've ever written has benefitted from more time spent in the refinement process and the quality of my recorded output is always better when I spend more time paying attention to details.   

... unless it's Chinese Democracy :rollin

Joking aside, I agree with most of your post, it's important to let music (or art in general) breathe and get developed more as time passes. Usually, it helps to let the ideas rest for some time and get back to them with a fresh mind to be more objective about it, as not everything is as good (or as bad) as it originally sounds.

Speaking about D/T, though, they wanted to continue with the shorter/concise songrwriting approach, so they clearly didn't want to make stuff longer or more developed than it originally was. At least that's the product THEY wanted to make and were/are happy with it being that way, vs having someone else dictate what you should/shouldn't do (like FII, for example).
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2021, 02:33:01 PM
Maaaaan. how many Dream theater albums were released in the time between Use Your Illusion II and Chinese Democracy ?

9 ? 10 ?

UYI was when ? 91 ? 

So in the gap between Use Your Illusion II and Chinese Democracy - Dream Theater released

ē Images And Words
ē Awake
ē Falling into Infinity
ē Metropolis part II : Scenes From A Memory
ē Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
ē Train Of Thought
ē Octavarium
ē Systematic Chaos

 :o ;D
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Drum parts completed. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 16, 2021, 02:51:12 PM
I don't get how an album with gems like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior, and S2n can be considered an undercooked album.

I think those are amazing tracks - some of their best in the Mangini era - but I don't think D/T is their best either. Undercooked is definitely not the right term, as no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.  I think the original criticism here is a valid one.  "Undercooked" might be an odd way of putting it, but there is definitely a correlation between the amount of time spent working on something and its relative quality.  It is literally impossible to produce a high quality full album recording (45 minutes or more) in the studio in 3 days.  But if you take your time with it, say, 30 days instead of 3, and you spend that time fully developing all of the ideas that make the final cut I would venture to say that you will be producing a superior product to that of a project rushed through recording and post-production in a shorter amount of time. 


Now obviously I wasn't in the studio with Dream Theater when they recorded Distance over Time but to me quite a bit of the material feels underdeveloped, particularly Pale Blue Dot, which I think was a huge missed opportunity.  I'm also not fond of some of the production choices that were made, but that's a pretty minor gripe.  But to say that "no amount of time is going to equate to how good or bad a track is" well, with all due respect, you're wrong.  Time in the studio matters.  Time spent developing a composition matters.  Sure, at some point you're just going to be needlessly tinkering, but I know every song I've ever written has benefitted from more time spent in the refinement process and the quality of my recorded output is always better when I spend more time paying attention to details.   

... unless it's Chinese Democracy :rollin

Joking aside, I agree with most of your post, it's important to let music (or art in general) breathe and get developed more as time passes. Usually, it helps to let the ideas rest for some time and get back to them with a fresh mind to be more objective about it, as not everything is as good (or as bad) as it originally sounds.

Speaking about D/T, though, they wanted to continue with the shorter/concise songrwriting approach, so they clearly didn't want to make stuff longer or more developed than it originally was. At least that's the product THEY wanted to make and were/are happy with it being that way, vs having someone else dictate what you should/shouldn't do (like FII, for example).


I get what you're saying but you might be misunderstanding me a little bit.  I am not saying more time spent on the songs = longer songs, nor am I saying that spending more time developing songs and ideas is going to equal longer songs.  That's NOT what I'm saying at all.  I'm talking purely about the relative quality of the songs.  I mean, I get the point that was being made and in many ways I agree that time isn't everything and some songs are just not good, regardless of how much time is spent working on them.  But I will say this:  I spent about 6 weeks on the songs for my group's debut album and looking back I really wish I had spent more like 6 months at a minimum because on the next one that we're working on now, I've been working on these songs now for about 2 years and without exception everyone who has heard the demos has commented on the significant increase in quality across the board.  Better songs, better hooks, better choruses, better riffs, better melodies, more interesting arrangements, less bloat, no head-scratching moments, no tracks or sections or solos that I wish I'd done differently. 

Every single one of those improvements is 100% a function of the time I spent working on the material, refining things, making little changes that improved how a solo or riff came across, etc. 


Chinese Democracy is a perfect example of going overboard with refinements, but I am sure there is a high degree of Axel-generated delay in there too, not just him working on the songs constantly for more than a decade, but him being a drunken idiot who couldn't get out of his own way was probably a bigger factor than anything else.  I mean look at him.  Dude has never met a beer he didn't drink 30 of.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 16, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
Well, we all know how much time they had to develop A Change of Seasons, and we know how the song started and how it ended up on the 1995 EP; can't say the more time working on the song hurt it, or ruined it with too much overthinking on the musical side of it.

And also, we've gotten some actual lyrics for the ending rather than just a repetition of "please don't go".

Of course every piece of art is not dictated by strict and precise mathematical rules and it's not a law that the more you work on a song, the better it becomes, but from the early days of the band I don't see we have a single song where we can say "eh, the time waiting for James LaBrie to show up hurt this song, it was better as a demo".
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 16, 2021, 03:20:18 PM
Jordan is now tracking his keys according to Patreon. 
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 16, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
Jordan is now tracking his keys according to Patreon.
added in, thanks very much
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on February 17, 2021, 03:04:53 AM
Jordan is now tracking his keys according to Patreon.

That's the most relevant post in this topic in the last few pages.
Thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Bertielee on February 17, 2021, 04:13:50 AM
Jordan is now tracking his keys according to Patreon.

That's the most relevant post in this topic in the last few pages.
Thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 17, 2021, 05:06:51 AM
Speaking of relevant posts, as more of a side note: Since Mike mentioned his solo album in the beginning of last year as well (in conjunction with DT15), some may be interested to know that said solo album is apparently well under way as well. It apparently will even include him singing (oddly enough), see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/260248032131338
"-Solo Album: Music was finished in 2020. Vox addressed ASAP."

and btw, I've again changed the thread title to reflect the current state of affairs.

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on February 17, 2021, 06:54:36 AM
Speaking of relevant posts, as more of a side note: Since Mike mentioned his solo album in the beginning of last year as well (in conjunction with DT15), some may be interested to know that said solo album is apparently well under way as well. It apparently will even include him singing (oddly enough), see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/260248032131338
"-Solo Album: Music was finished in 2020. Vox addressed ASAP."

and btw, I've again changed the thread title to reflect the current state of affairs.

Could be a sample of him teaching astrophysics or reading an essay about Fibonacci sequence, not necessarily singing... :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
Jordan is now tracking his keys according to Patreon.

That's the most relevant post in this topic in the last few pages.
Thanks for sharing this.

The sad thing is that the album is being released in 6-7 months from now, so there's not much "real" stuff to discuss anyway :-[


Speaking of relevant posts, as more of a side note: Since Mike mentioned his solo album in the beginning of last year as well (in conjunction with DT15), some may be interested to know that said solo album is apparently well under way as well. It apparently will even include him singing (oddly enough), see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/260248032131338
"-Solo Album: Music was finished in 2020. Vox addressed ASAP."

and btw, I've again changed the thread title to reflect the current state of affairs.

Could be a sample of him teaching astrophysics or reading an essay about Fibonacci sequence, not necessarily singing... :biggrin:

:lol I take it as the album having vocals, but not necessarily him recording them. He's said multiple times before that he's not a very good singer, even though apparently Nuno had him doing backup vocals on a few Extreme shows.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM
Speaking of relevant posts, as more of a side note: Since Mike mentioned his solo album in the beginning of last year as well (in conjunction with DT15), some may be interested to know that said solo album is apparently well under way as well. It apparently will even include him singing (oddly enough), see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/260248032131338
"-Solo Album: Music was finished in 2020. Vox addressed ASAP."

and btw, I've again changed the thread title to reflect the current state of affairs.
Could be a sample of him teaching astrophysics or reading an essay about Fibonacci sequence, not necessarily singing... :biggrin:
:lol I take it as the album having vocals, but not necessarily him recording them. He's said multiple times before that he's not a very good singer, even though apparently Nuno had him doing backup vocals on a few Extreme shows.
That was my thought as well - the post that's been cited gives no guarantees that MM's doing the vocals.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on February 17, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
MM seems to want to make this album a full instatement of him as musician, including composing and playing all the instruments (he already said somewhere he would be recording all of them by himself). My bet is that, if there's any vocals on his album, he will sing it.
Title: Re: DT15 process initiated. Progressing. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 17, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Speaking of relevant posts, as more of a side note: Since Mike mentioned his solo album in the beginning of last year as well (in conjunction with DT15), some may be interested to know that said solo album is apparently well under way as well. It apparently will even include him singing (oddly enough), see here: https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/260248032131338
"-Solo Album: Music was finished in 2020. Vox addressed ASAP."

and btw, I've again changed the thread title to reflect the current state of affairs.
Could be a sample of him teaching astrophysics or reading an essay about Fibonacci sequence, not necessarily singing... :biggrin:
:lol I take it as the album having vocals, but not necessarily him recording them. He's said multiple times before that he's not a very good singer, even though apparently Nuno had him doing backup vocals on a few Extreme shows.
That was my thought as well - the post that's been cited gives no guarantees that MM's doing the vocals.
then I made the mistake of paraphrasing it the way I did. Very sorry. (and honestly, it would have surprised me hearing him sing :D ) Nonetheless, I'm excited for Mike's solo album as much as for DT15.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on February 17, 2021, 11:09:38 AM
I am not excited for MM solo album.
That is not to say that i don't like,or appreciate him as a musician.
I just haven't heard anything of him,prior to DT,so i don't know his musical influences,
as well his melodic style (because he is a drummer obviously)
If i listen to it,and like it,then i may anticipate his next (if he ever releases another one)
I was waiting for JP album,because i have heard his entire discography,and love his music.
I love JR sounds and i will most probably listen to his album (not buy,listen) when it comes out.
And now i am looking forward to LTE and DT 15,since i love both bands.
But MM and JLB working on new solo albums is great news for DT fans regardless.
It reminds me of the times 20 years ago,where all of them were working on their side projects at the same time.
The Jelly Jam,Platypus,Gordian Knot,Explorers Club,LTE,Mullmuzzler,Transatlantic,Petrucci-Rudess acoustic etc.
That was a pretty inspired period with all these releases.
Ah,so many memories...

PS. I don't (almost noone does,except DT themselves) know neither how the new material sounds, nor how much time was needed to write it.
But i would have liked them to take their time with this one,because it won't be released till September,so it would be a great change to their routine
to try many many things before they end up with the final product.
It would be the time to experiment with sounds,demos,and many other things.
The more time they spend on the writing process,the better the album will be,in my opinion.
Anyways,hope they have come up with a killer new album,and the most promising thing i heard was MM saying about vintage DT melodies that weaved in the new material 🤟
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 17, 2021, 11:46:37 AM
MM seems to want to make this album a full instatement of him as musician, including composing and playing all the instruments (he already said somewhere he would be recording all of them by himself). My bet is that, if there's any vocals on his album, he will sing it.


I get why he wants to do it that way, but it's a terrible idea that he will most likely regret in the long run.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Speaking of Mike's album, here's a little snippet of music made by him (he confirms it's his in the comments): https://www.instagram.com/p/CLXuBKvhBQt/?igshid=portly0mb98f
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 18, 2021, 12:17:15 PM
I am not excited for MM solo album.
That is not to say that i don't like,or appreciate him as a musician.
I just haven't heard anything of him,prior to DT,so i don't know his musical influences,
as well his melodic style (because he is a drummer obviously)
If i listen to it,and like it,then i may anticipate his next (if he ever releases another one)

I would encourage you to listen and perhaps buy it if you like it. I'm sure it will have some good stuff, and I guarantee the drumming is good.  ;)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 18, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
MM seems to want to make this album a full instatement of him as musician, including composing and playing all the instruments (he already said somewhere he would be recording all of them by himself). My bet is that, if there's any vocals on his album, he will sing it.


I get why he wants to do it that way, but it's a terrible idea that he will most likely regret in the long run.

I think I see it a bit differently than you. Writing a solo album where you actually do everything (or close to it) is a pretty remarkable achievement. Even if people hate it, he still went for it and did something not a lot of people have the gonads to do. He may regret it more if he never goes for it. More power to him, I say.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 18, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
MM seems to want to make this album a full instatement of him as musician, including composing and playing all the instruments (he already said somewhere he would be recording all of them by himself). My bet is that, if there's any vocals on his album, he will sing it.


I get why he wants to do it that way, but it's a terrible idea that he will most likely regret in the long run.

I think I see it a bit differently than you. Writing a solo album where you actually do everything (or close to it) is a pretty remarkable achievement. Even if people hate it, he still went for it and did something not a lot of people have the gonads to do. He may regret it more if he never goes for it. More power to him, I say.
Absolutely this!  :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 18, 2021, 01:18:44 PM
MM seems to want to make this album a full instatement of him as musician, including composing and playing all the instruments (he already said somewhere he would be recording all of them by himself). My bet is that, if there's any vocals on his album, he will sing it.


I get why he wants to do it that way, but it's a terrible idea that he will most likely regret in the long run.
Silly statement with no explanation as to why you think that way.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on February 18, 2021, 08:08:56 PM
I would really like to hear an FII sound on this new record. It's groovy, bluesy and the atmosphere is just cool. Not sure why its  not a more popular record.  :)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Fritzinger on February 19, 2021, 01:04:05 AM
I would really like to hear an FII sound on this new record. It's groovy, bluesy and the atmosphere is just cool. Not sure why its  not a more popular record.  :)

I love Falling Into Infinity. In my opinion, it also the best sounding DT album of all. Transparent but forceful. Also, MP's drums have never sounded better for me (maybe only on Neal Morse's Sola Gratia and Sons Of Apollo's debut).
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 19, 2021, 07:45:00 AM
I would really like to hear an FII sound on this new record. It's groovy, bluesy and the atmosphere is just cool. Not sure why its  not a more popular record.  :)

I love Falling Into Infinity. In my opinion, it also the best sounding DT album of all. Transparent but forceful. Also, MP's drums have never sounded better for me (maybe only on Neal Morse's Sola Gratia and Sons Of Apollo's debut).
I agree that FII is the best sounding DT album.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Some parts of Octavarium ( mainly These Walls ) sound like they were recorded outside


I'd love to try that as a production experiment. Set up a band in the middle of a field - and record them playing individually.

No reflections - no baffling or any of that stuff. Just to see how it sounds when you put it all together.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 19, 2021, 07:56:46 AM
Some parts of Octavarium ( mainly These Walls ) sound like they were recorded outside


I'd love to try that as a production experiment. Set up a band in the middle of a field - and record them playing individually.

No reflections - no baffling or any of that stuff. Just to see how it sounds when you put it all together.

It'll be hard due to the mics picking up the wind, and other sounds. I've been thinking about this too. It'd have to be somewhere nice and quiet, like in the mountains.

It would be cool to record by a stream.

I think if done right, it would sound fantastic.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on February 19, 2021, 08:58:16 AM
I agree that FII is [a] DT album.

Concur.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
I couldn't rank all 14 DT albums in terms or sonic production but

Octavarium and Falling Into Infinity are definitely up the top whilst Systematic Chaos and DT12 are near the bottom - for being too hot and dry and DT12 has THAT snare sound.

Distance Over Time sounds good to me - but still a little hot but not as bad as SC or DT12.

:)

ADTOE is not bad but the drums are too low and not punchy enough. Astonishing is really nice as well actually !

I remember the first time I heard The Gift Of Music - I thought it sounded like "About To Crash".
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 19, 2021, 01:00:03 PM


It'll be hard due to the mics picking up the wind, and other sounds. I've been thinking about this too. It'd have to be somewhere nice and quiet, like in the mountains.



I can see the headline now:  "Local band killed in avalanche".
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2021, 01:21:18 PM
That would definitely happen to Adrenaline Mob.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 19, 2021, 02:07:05 PM


It'll be hard due to the mics picking up the wind, and other sounds. I've been thinking about this too. It'd have to be somewhere nice and quiet, like in the mountains.



I can see the headline now:  "Local band killed in avalanche".

"Recording to be on their Posthumously released new album entitled Frozen in Time."
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2021, 02:10:42 PM
Rolling Stone writer regrets recent article about the band - describing the prolonged sessions for their most recent studio album as being " glacially slow ".


' turns out they can move quite fast sometimes...'
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Schurftkut on February 19, 2021, 02:38:02 PM
8string guitar confirmed by jp
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TM172003 on February 19, 2021, 04:55:14 PM
I just came to post that, I’m watching the interview now.

For those interested, he also confirmed details that the 8 string Majesty has fan frets and no trem.

https://youtu.be/lFGb6g2FUBc
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 19, 2021, 10:45:06 PM
Also confirmed that the 8 string is already in, at least, one song for DT15 :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 20, 2021, 03:58:37 AM
Was there an 8 string guitar on Distance over time?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 20, 2021, 04:37:24 AM
Was there an 8 string guitar on Distance over time?
No.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 20, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
So far the impression that I have is that there's going to be not only a spontaneous vibe to the songs but also a lot of experimentation with their instruments.
All of that is good, although personally speaking I don't see how adding more stings to JP's guitar is going to really drive anything new in the compositional field, but we'll see.
As long as they won't be carried away and leave also the artistic side of the album. After all it's the little details that will make this album really stand out from the previous one.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 04:34:56 AM
a studio shot from Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfwMEKAy4L/
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 21, 2021, 07:01:39 AM
a studio shot from Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfwMEKAy4L/
Nice!  I love that sound.   :coolio
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 07:46:53 AM
Updated to include latest info. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CLjsG-GJy6s/) The mixing process happens simultaneously to whatever is left to record btw, according to Mike. Again engineered by Jimmy T.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2021, 08:12:47 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euwc3PhWYAIXp2K?format=jpg&name=large)





From their Twitter @DreamTheaterNet
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 21, 2021, 08:48:12 AM
a studio shot from Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfwMEKAy4L/
Nice!  I love that sound.   :coolio
Me too! Kinda little bit of a Tom Sawyer synth pattern at the end.

Gotta ask: am I the only one that was reminded of Derek Sherinian from this clip? Almost seems more like his choice of sounds and style of playing. Not complaining - I love Derek's playing, sounds and style - nor am I hypothesizing that JR's trying to imitate Derek. In any case, I'm loving it and look forward to seeing what JR does with the Moog One for the new album, and if that's a taste of what to expect on the new album, I'm all for it!  :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 21, 2021, 09:13:15 AM
C'mon DTF, CSI that iPad :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 09:17:17 AM
a studio shot from Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfwMEKAy4L/
Nice!  I love that sound.   :coolio
Me too! Kinda little bit of a Tom Sawyer synth pattern at the end.

Gotta ask: am I the only one that was reminded of Derek Sherinian from this clip? Almost seems more like his choice of sounds and style of playing. Not complaining - I love Derek's playing, sounds and style - nor am I hypothesizing that JR's trying to imitate Derek. In any case, I'm loving it and look forward to seeing what JR does with the Moog One for the new album, and if that's a taste of what to expect on the new album, I'm all for it!  :tup
I was thinking of something a bit Wakemanian, but anyway, I love it too and I'm very open for the album.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keyboard parts in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 21, 2021, 09:32:06 AM
Gotta ask: am I the only one that was reminded of Derek Sherinian from this clip? Almost seems more like his choice of sounds and style of playing. Not complaining - I love Derek's playing, sounds and style - nor am I hypothesizing that JR's trying to imitate Derek.

Actually me too, Derek is drawing sounds from his huge keyboard collection (not that Jordan doesn't have so many keyboards too) and he likes mixing pedals and switching configurations all the time. On the other hand Jordan is really a master in sound design like layering and sampling, a true wizard.
But your question is legit,  when SOA formed one of Derek's core sound (for years now) is the Hammond B3 and generally this album had a very organic feel and sound, something that DT did with DoT especially in the keyboard department. Strangely enough PS had a song that is very very similar with 'Viper King' in it's presentation and vibe called 'Divine Addiction'.  If JR was inspired by that or simply it was their choice who knows, either way it's very good sign that we'll hear some warm analogue greatness!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 21, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
C'mon DTF, CSI that iPad :lol

This! :lol

I'm really excited about this album and wish they would post more "real" updates, but I get why they've been mostly quiet so far. I expect them to reveal much more info in the following months.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 21, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
C'mon DTF, CSI that iPad :lol
This! :lol
I don't have the CSI filter on my copy of Photoshop - sorry guys! :blush But in doing a little bit of poking around, I found a basic instruction video for the Moog One here:
https://www.moogmusic.com/media/moog-one-how-use-midi-learn-0

Towards the beginning of the clip, there's a closeup of the display on the keyboard that looks a lot like 2 of the images on JR's iPad. So I'm guessing it's probably some sort of instruction manual for setting it up, or maybe some sort of discussion forum, judging by what looks like comments along the left side of the iPad screen.

Yeah, it's not exciting like a new piece of music to decipher, but that's probably what it is.   :P
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 11:37:38 AM
Jordan is still in the process of tracking btw, as he mentioned during his FB livestream today. He will continue tomorrow. I hope DT15 will feature lots of keyboard parts again, after being a bit reduced for D/T.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 21, 2021, 11:41:18 AM
The thing I like the most about awaiting DT15 is that we have no idea where they are headed with this one. After The Astonishing, we had a feeling that the band might go back to basics and do something more concise. This time around, however, we can only guess.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 11:43:06 AM
The thing I like the most about awaiting DT15 is that we have no idea where they are headed with this one. After The Astonishing, we had a feeling that the band might go back to basics and do something more concise. This time around, however, we can only guess.
Very true.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 21, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
The thing I like the most about awaiting DT15 is that we have no idea where they are headed with this one. After The Astonishing, we had a feeling that the band might go back to basics and do something more concise. This time around, however, we can only guess.

That's a great point! yeah, we couldn't predict the exact details on the album, but on the broad strokes we all knew it was gonna be heavier and concise. Now they could really go anywhere with the direction, keeping in mind they'll hardly tread any recent steps!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 21, 2021, 11:49:30 AM
The thing I like the most about awaiting DT15 is that we have no idea where they are headed with this one. After The Astonishing, we had a feeling that the band might go back to basics and do something more concise. This time around, however, we can only guess.

That's a great point! yeah, we couldn't predict the exact details on the album, but on the broad strokes we all knew it was gonna be heavier and concise. Now they could really go anywhere with the direction, keeping in mind they'll hardly tread any recent steps!
yes, in my observation they never make the same record twice, and to me that's a good thing. I'm excited.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 21, 2021, 12:16:07 PM
So far they've done, with Mangini:

- Back to the roots
- Shorter songs, but a bigass epic
- Rock opera
- Heavier and shorter songs

I'd like them to spread out a little more on this one, like with Dramatic. I mean, On the Back of Angels could have either been on the self titled or on d/t... but both Bridges in the Sky and Outcry couldn't have been on the self titled, because all the songs were meant to be shorter with a single exception. And since the mindframe for d/t was "heavier stuff", we only got Out of Reach - there couldn't have been This is the life AND Far from Heaven AND Beneath the Surface all on the same d/t-esque album.

This time around I hope we can get a little bit of everything: heavy stuff, long stuff, short stuff, very mellow stuff, and some little surprises here and there!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2021, 01:22:12 PM
I'm glad they ditched the 20+ minute song on every album as the format was getting tired and it sounded like they were just chucking in random sections just to pad out the running time.

I think a song should be as long as it needs to be. I think the last all around great 20+ minute song was Octavarium. And that flows great.

Illumination Theory does not.

I also noticed that every Mangini album apart from The Astonishing has been 9 tracks. Wonder if that'll keep up.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on February 21, 2021, 02:03:55 PM
Although it's true we can only guess what to expect this time as far as the direction of the album but the main ethos in the MM era is short, concise songs. I really think that the sound that they build in DoT is here and it's going to stay. They will probably aim to build upon that in this one and in the future.
As far as the big epic songs, it's a fact that this kind of formula was massively better with MP in the band. To be fair they didn't write a lot of that kind of pieces after MP left, except some in ADTOE (an album that doesn't fit 100% in the MM era) and Illumination Theory which is very awkward structured although it has some great riffs and ideas.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 21, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
I'm glad they ditched the 20+ minute song on every album as the format was getting tired and it sounded like they were just chucking in random sections just to pad out the running time.

DT has only had a 20+ minute song on 4 out of their 14 albums (not counting ACOS which is not an album per se, and although Six Degrees is a 42 minute song it can be thoroughly listened to and enjoyed by sections) so I really don't get your point lol.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2021, 03:22:24 AM
k
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lax on February 22, 2021, 03:46:15 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 22, 2021, 04:47:57 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !
mainly because of the pandemic I'm sure. I'm not one to fret over that to be honest. (and btw, James has largely been recording his vocals separately for quite a few albums, so that's nothing new)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on February 22, 2021, 05:08:13 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !

But you can be sure they wrote the album all together!! At least is what they've been saying about the writing sessions, even JB was there somehow on a big screen in the room. As far as recording, it is kinda a individual process anyway.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 22, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
k

Either youíre not great dealing with contrary opinions to yours (the MM and his playing style ďdebatesĒ weíve had as of recent come to mind) or you just like to be childish in your ways of receiving and responding to such opinions. Take it easy, dude. Itís an internet forum.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2021, 08:54:16 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !

But you can be sure they wrote the album all together!! At least is what they've been saying about the writing sessions, even JB was there somehow on a big screen in the room. As far as recording, it is kinda a individual process anyway.
Wait, how do we know this? I'd find it hilarious if there were a photo of the four guys playing in the studio, and then LaBrie's face looms over on a big screen.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on February 22, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !

But you can be sure they wrote the album all together!! At least is what they've been saying about the writing sessions, even JB was there somehow on a big screen in the room. As far as recording, it is kinda a individual process anyway.
Wait, how do we know this? I'd find it hilarious if there were a photo of the four guys playing in the studio, and then LaBrie's face looms over on a big screen.  :lol

I believe they mentioned this in an interview, that Labrie joined in on writing sessions through video conference.

Maybe it was on the I&W live stream they did? Can't remember.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 22, 2021, 09:12:52 AM
I'm kind of stressed not seeing them recording all together...But only future knows !

But you can be sure they wrote the album all together!! At least is what they've been saying about the writing sessions, even JB was there somehow on a big screen in the room. As far as recording, it is kinda a individual process anyway.
Wait, how do we know this? I'd find it hilarious if there were a photo of the four guys playing in the studio, and then LaBrie's face looms over on a big screen.  :lol

I believe they mentioned this in an interview, that Labrie joined in on writing sessions through video conference.

Maybe it was on the I&W live stream they did? Can't remember.

Yeah, they said that somewhere, but can't remember where. James also said he didn't want to travel because of covid, so he stayed at home.

Wait, how do we know this? I'd find it hilarious if there were a photo of the four guys playing in the studio, and then LaBrie's face looms over on a big screen.  :lol

(https://sm.ign.com/t/ign_latam/screenshot/default/zordon_xcfq.1280.jpg)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on February 22, 2021, 09:22:16 AM
Wait, how do we know this? I'd find it hilarious if there were a photo of the four guys playing in the studio, and then LaBrie's face looms over on a big screen.  :lol

Found this from December:

Quote
"Right now, in Dream Theater lab - we're writing another album. I didn't want to go down to the States, even though I love the States, because it's brought me everything that I have today.

"I'm not saying that and trying to be funny, I'm being sincere when I say that. I've made my career because I met these guys from America and because I'm in an American band.

"I've had an incredible career because of it but I said to the guys, 'Guys, I don't want to come down there; I don't want to fly, I don't want to do anything like that. I want to stay isolated because I'm reading horror stories about people losing their voice box when they get this [Covid], and their lungs are compromised and I can't do that.'

"So I'm coming in every day when we're writing by Zoom, so they have this great big TV on the wall with my big fuck shot on it, and those four guys are in the studio.

"So those four guys are together at the Dream Theater Headquarters - it's our own studio, warehouse, whatever. And so that's how we communicate every day.
together amazingly."

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/james_labrie_announces_dream_theater_is_writing_new_album_without_him_in_the_studio_were_writing_by_zoom.html
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2021, 09:44:08 AM
Brilliant.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2021, 01:18:30 PM
k

Either youíre not great dealing with contrary opinions to yours (the MM and his playing style ďdebatesĒ weíve had as of recent come to mind) or you just like to be childish in your ways of receiving and responding to such opinions. Take it easy, dude. Itís an internet forum.


Octavarium was 24 minutes.

In The Presence of Enemies is 25 minutes

Count of Tuscany is JUST shy of 20 minutes

Illumination theory is 22 minutes

So i'm not sure what YOUR point is... "LOL"

I'm saying I'm glad they mostly ditched the long songs around the 20 minute mark as the 8 - 9 track albums with a huge song at the end template was getting tired.

And that Illumination theory in particular sounded like idea soup with no flow and just riff after riff after riff to pad it out to over 20 mins.

And it even had a reprise of the ambient section from Count Of Tuscany. Although the string section was great - the song didn't need to be 22 minutes long.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 22, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
k

Either youíre not great dealing with contrary opinions to yours (the MM and his playing style ďdebatesĒ weíve had as of recent come to mind) or you just like to be childish in your ways of receiving and responding to such opinions. Take it easy, dude. Itís an internet forum.


Octavarium was 24 minutes.

In The Presence of Enemies is 25 minutes

Count of Tuscany is JUST shy of 20 minutes

Illumination theory is 22 minutes

So i'm not sure what YOUR point is... "LOL"



OK, but you just listed 4 long songs as an "argument" to this:


Quote
DT has only had a 20+ minute song on 4 out of their 14 albums


He has a point
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2021, 01:58:37 PM
 :facepalm:

What is not to understand ? I'm saying *I AM GLAD* they stopped putting the roughly 20 minute song on their albums.

Octavarium, Systematic, Black Clouds and DT12 all have them.

Which is 4 out of the last 7 albums they have put out...

And I.T. in particular sounded like a patchwork of ideas rather than a song.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 22, 2021, 09:48:39 PM
So I'm coming in every day when we're writing by Zoom, so they have this great big TV on the wall with my big fuck shot on it...

What? Is something lost in Canadian translation here?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: sam1oq on February 23, 2021, 05:02:13 AM
New to this forum, please be gentle with me :D. I have some opinions/hopes on the new album.

No matter what happens musically, I just hope DT15 won't suffer from brick wall production and bad autotune like DoT did. I still find it hard to listen to that album because of that even though it's great musically.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 23, 2021, 12:45:40 PM
The album is "motoring along" according to a post by Mike today. (whatever that may mean at this point. Anyway. Nice it goes on really.)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 23, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
I guess keyboards tracks will be finished soon, but then James needs to record his vocals, and I don't think he's finished recording for his solo album yet.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on February 23, 2021, 08:13:42 PM
k

Either youíre not great dealing with contrary opinions to yours (the MM and his playing style ďdebatesĒ weíve had as of recent come to mind) or you just like to be childish in your ways of receiving and responding to such opinions. Take it easy, dude. Itís an internet forum.


Octavarium was 24 minutes.

In The Presence of Enemies is 25 minutes

Count of Tuscany is JUST shy of 20 minutes

Illumination theory is 22 minutes

So i'm not sure what YOUR point is... "LOL"



OK, but you just listed 4 long songs as an "argument" to this:


Quote
DT has only had a 20+ minute song on 4 out of their 14 albums


He has a point

Exactly.  I mean, the math is off because of Six Degrees.  But I'm kinda with Kowtow in that TCOT is "close enough" to count.  But still, in the grand scheme of things, that's five songs over 15 albums.  It isn't really a thing they were doing every album, or even every other album.  So I don't really see it as something they need to "stop" doing.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on February 23, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
To be fair, three of those four songs were released on consecutive albums, but in general I agree.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
And to be fairer, In the Presence of Enemies ended up becoming two songs, neither of which is 20 minutes, so you can't even count that one. 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Peter Mc on February 24, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
I think Iím also kind of past the 20 min plus songs.  I donít think any song needs to be that long.  Learning To Live is perfectly epic and is only around the 10-11 minute mark.  I donít think many of those super long epics are amongst my absolute favourites of DTís catalogue, they have their moments for sure but they also have moments where they drag for me.  Thereís always an exception to the rule however and that would be A Change Of Seasons, the first and still the best.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2021, 07:44:10 PM
The only reason I don't want another big epic of say >18 min. is the live setlists. What would be great, is if Dream Theater can fit as many songs as they can into the sets and bring back an older Long Epic, like Octavarium. That's one thing they could do that may fill some seats is not have a dedicated set for an album. For me at least, while I enjoyed the anniversary tours, it would be awesome to see a Dream Theater show where there is no guarantee to what they will play for the tour.

Oh no...I'm feeling another Setlist playlist coming on.... :justjen


Edit: Just thought of something even better, Save the encore for the big epic and switch out which epic will be played each night, and shifting the sets to where you wouldn't know which epic they will play.



Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 24, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
I donít think any song needs to be that long. 

Songs should be as long as they need to be, however you want to define that. I do feel many of DT's longest songs are longer than they need to be.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: RandalGraves on February 24, 2021, 10:10:09 PM
I donít think any song needs to be that long. 

Songs should be as long as they need to be, however you want to define that. I do feel many of DT's longest songs are longer than they need to be.

This is a great way to put it. I was recently watching the DT livestream where ACOS was the encore. Absolutely loved that song 20 years ago. Watching it again recently though...I was just bored. Meanwhile, I think a song like At Wit's End accomplishes what it needs to in less than half the time. Maybe not a fair comparison, as one is newer and the other I played out back in the day, but I would log them both in the "epic" category.

If there's anything that I really loved about The Astonishing, it's that DT was able to cover so much ground in a short amount of time (within a single song). I would love an album with 15 or so songs, personally.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on February 24, 2021, 11:54:01 PM
JP confirms there will be an 8-string guitar song on the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_makes_it_official_dream_theater_made_a_song_with_8-string_guitar_for_new_album.html
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on February 25, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
So yesterday i did an interview with Jordan, mostly about LTE but he gave me a bit of hint about DT.
His comments fall in line with what MM wrote about the energy of the album. Still haven't transcribed the interview so i don't want to give any misinformation, and he told me that it's a bit early to go into detail, but he seemed genuinely excited about it.

Also, he's still working on tracking keyboards.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 25, 2021, 06:45:10 AM
Great to see that news - really looking forward to your interview nikatapi!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on February 25, 2021, 06:57:37 AM
JP confirms there will be an 8-string guitar song on the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_makes_it_official_dream_theater_made_a_song_with_8-string_guitar_for_new_album.html

I know this was discussed last week from that video interview he did, but this stood out for me from this interview:

Quote from: JP
"When I got my seven-string, I had never played one before and I didn't know what to expect. The way I approached it was that it was just an extension of the range of the guitar...

..."That's the way I approached it. I think that when you hear the first song that I wrote with it, that I recorded with the band, it sounds like Dream Theater, it sounds like me playing what you might expect.

"It doesn't sound like I'm trying to mimic a style or a genre or anything like that. I'm just playing it in my own way, with my own approach. That's the way I did it. It was so comfortable.

Which is what I was hoping for. I know adding an extra string opens up new doors for different voicing and chord shapes, and it would be great if he experimented with that, but I am perfectly fine with him just using it to extend his range.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 25, 2021, 08:10:00 AM
So yesterday i did an interview with Jordan, mostly about LTE but he gave me a bit of hint about DT.
His comments fall in line with what MM wrote about the energy of the album. Still haven't transcribed the interview so i don't want to give any misinformation, and he told me that it's a bit early to go into detail, but he seemed genuinely excited about it.

Also, he's still working on tracking keyboards.

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on February 25, 2021, 05:42:27 PM
Recently asked Jordan about the mix for the new album.  He said Jimmy T is engineering it but will not be mixing it. I know MM previously said they were mixing as they go so who knows?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on February 25, 2021, 06:11:33 PM
Recently asked Jordan about the mix for the new album.  He said Jimmy T is engineering it but will not be mixing it. I know MM previously said they were mixing as they go so who knows?

I'd take Jordan's word, as he's currently in the studio with both JP and Jimmy T :lol

What Mike probably meant is that he (Jimmy) is making the basic tracks and comps that will then go to whoever is actually mixing the album. It's a lot of work anyway.

Now I wonder who's going to mix it. Two names come to mind: Andy Sneap (just mixed JP's album) and Rich Mouser (just mixed LTE3 and did the 5.1 mix for Distant Memories).
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 25, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
I know it is different times, different technologies, and different levels of complexities, and thus the comparisons are not reasonable. But when I read these updates about who is doing what tracking, I recall reading that all the instrumentation for Sloop John B was done in one three hour session (from 12a-3a). I've never had a single 3 hour period in my life that reached that level of productivity.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on February 26, 2021, 01:19:06 AM
Now I wonder who's going to mix it. Two names come to mind: Andy Sneap (just mixed JP's album) and Rich Mouser (just mixed LTE3 and did the 5.1 mix for Distant Memories).

Really curious as well. Andy Sneap did a good job, but JP's record didn't have so many keys on it, and i found the bass a bit behind in the mix.
LTE on the other hand has a pretty fine mix, so i'd be happy with something on the same level (even though i'm sure there are differences in the drum sounds).

By the way, when i asked Jordan about LTE recording in DT HQ and how the rest of DT were about it, he pretty much cut me to say "yeah everyone is respectful". :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on February 26, 2021, 01:23:50 AM
I figured it must be kind of weird for MP to be in the new DT HQ.

(that was a lot of acronyms!)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TM172003 on February 26, 2021, 03:51:30 AM
Recently asked Jordan about the mix for the new album.  He said Jimmy T is engineering it but will not be mixing it. I know MM previously said they were mixing as they go so who knows?

Thatís pretty disappointing, the Christmas song sounded great.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 02, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
a new post from Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL6yiuzgUBS/  his rig seems to be a bit more extensive again (which I like. The entire tour is one for his Patreon people only it seems)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 02, 2021, 09:05:14 AM
He's got a Waldorf Quantum! That's such a cool synth that he hasn't used as far as I know until now.

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 02, 2021, 09:41:38 AM
Now that Iíve finally come on board with D/T, I am super excited for this new record. Iím beyond curious to see what direction they go.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on March 02, 2021, 07:08:19 PM
I am really hoping for continued improvement in production. I would even be satisfied if they released a different master on HD tracks rather than just the same master at a higher bitrate. Having an option would be great. D/T was an improvement but I know they could do even better. I have been jealous for DT to have the same quality as a Stephen Wilson album or even Neal Morse's new releases.     
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on March 03, 2021, 12:46:04 AM
I am really hoping for continued improvement in production. I would even be satisfied if they released a different master on HD tracks rather than just the same master at a higher bitrate. Having an option would be great. D/T was an improvement but I know they could do even better. I have been jealous for DT to have the same quality as a Stephen Wilson album or even Neal Morse's new releases.     

I think we're going to get a good production with this one, they've been improving with each album, after the muffled sound of ADTOE, and D/T was in my opinion one of their finest sounding records.

Comparing with Wilson or Morse isn't really justified though, as with DT you get much more dense arrangements and much more metal riffing, which will make the sound a bit condensed either way.

What i was thinking about, is how awesome Awake was for its time in terms of sound, i still find it to be extremely well produced, with space and separation, and great atmosphere.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: NoFred on March 03, 2021, 01:38:39 AM
Awake is the one Iíve never thought about. So clean and DT. I never noticed production until DT12 which to me sounds like it was recorded at a factory inside a microwave with the ac running at full blast. Hurts to listen to tbh.

TA and D/T both sound good to me hope for more of that on this one.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on March 03, 2021, 04:33:43 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-YW0fg9cY/?igshid=1m5xgro467g82

Another cool wizard style pic from Jordan in the studio.

Is it me or the keyboard tracking is taking longer this time around? Not saying that as bad thing at all, it could actually mean either a lot of music or a lot of care and attention (or both).
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 03, 2021, 05:28:19 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-YW0fg9cY/?igshid=1m5xgro467g82

Another cool wizard style pic from Jordan in the studio.

Is it me or the keyboard tracking is taking longer this time around? Not saying that as bad thing at all, it could actually mean either a lot music or a lot of care and attention (or both).
Not a bad thing at all IMHO. I hope both.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 03, 2021, 05:45:58 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-YW0fg9cY/?igshid=1m5xgro467g82

Another cool wizard style pic from Jordan in the studio.

Is it me or the keyboard tracking is taking longer this time around? Not saying that as bad thing at all, it could actually mean either a lot music or a lot of care and attention (or both).

I think all the delays and lack of touring caused by the pandemic have given them much more time to refine what they wrote in the studio the last few months and they're probably just improving on a lot of the original stuff (which a lot of people here have been asking for). I also hope there's some more music, though :tup

Since this is with Inside Out, I expect more "bonus material" with the album. Their first two albums with IO had bonus tracks (Viper King on D/T and Paralyzed live on Distant Memories), so this time I think we could expect more of that. Maybe they'll have a main disc and then a 2nd with some bonus tracks. They haven't done anything like that before.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on March 04, 2021, 12:31:59 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 04, 2021, 04:26:57 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Wonderful. (yes these are 64ths (for the first time ever in a DT album), and it's in 3/4. )

A quote from a new interview with John: "There's definitely a lot we learned from Distance Over Time. And having said that, this is definitely something new and different as well. I can say this, we're hard at work. We still have a bunch to do. It's going to come out later this year. We're actually in the midst of tracking keyboards right now. I don't know if it's just like people are home and you can't tour, but it's like everybody just came to the table to play. Everybody is on fire. The best ideas and best playing. And so the album, it's lit up. There's definitely a lot of energy and excitement to it. I'm really pumped about it."
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Pax on March 04, 2021, 06:08:49 AM
There's also 4/4 in the staff above.

Ok, sounds promising, getting 8varium vibes from that last B --> Bb chromatic progression
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2021, 06:11:10 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)


Grabs headphones

Opens link

WTF??
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 04, 2021, 06:13:32 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

That looks like Logic's automatic notation score from MIDI.  It would not look like that in its final form.  Still cool to see. 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 04, 2021, 06:51:23 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)


Grabs headphones

Opens link

WTF??
lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: the keyboard wizard on March 04, 2021, 07:14:49 AM
"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
I've started transcribing the whole thing on Muse score. Sounds like something that Jordan would play on the piano.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on March 04, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
https://metalinjection.net/interviews/john-petrucci-talks-liquid-tension-experiment-iii-new-dream-theater-record-and-the-influence-of-rush

"And having said that, it's not like I stopped being busy because I'm on my third or fourth album, I think, since I got home at the end of February (laughs)"

Third OR fourth album???????

Cmon now John,don't play with us...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 04, 2021, 08:29:08 AM
https://metalinjection.net/interviews/john-petrucci-talks-liquid-tension-experiment-iii-new-dream-theater-record-and-the-influence-of-rush

"And having said that, it's not like I stopped being busy because I'm on my third or fourth album, I think, since I got home at the end of February (laughs)"

Third OR fourth album???????

Cmon now John,don't play with us...

Well, there's Terminal Velocity, Distant Memories, LTE3 and DT15, so no surprises there, really.

"Just a small passage from the new DT album"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CL_Ha4kA7oM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)


Grabs headphones

Opens link

WTF??

Same here :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on March 04, 2021, 09:45:06 AM
I'm sure there are about 23 covers of this on YouTube by now....
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 04, 2021, 11:39:38 AM
There's also 4/4 in the staff above.

Ok, sounds promising, getting 8varium vibes from that last B --> Bb chromatic progression


Good catch on the 4/4 on the top line. 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 04, 2021, 12:18:05 PM
I'm sure there are about 23 covers of this on YouTube by now....
Strangely enough, no, not yet. Not one, actually.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 05, 2021, 06:38:40 AM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel. 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2021, 06:44:32 AM
I hope he stays off the hotel's shrimp buffet.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on March 05, 2021, 06:57:58 AM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel.

Great news. Let's hope his voice is in a good shape, after getting rest from lack of touring.
He used to record in Canada previously right? Or did he record along with the rest of the guys for D/T?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on March 05, 2021, 07:09:04 AM
I'm surprised that he is not recording in his home studio.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on March 05, 2021, 07:20:12 AM
It was always my understanding - and it was a bone of contention for Mike, if memory serves - that the band convenes in NY/NJ wherever (I thought now it was "DT HQ") and when the music was done they sent the tapes to James where he was, who then put his stuff on top.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 05, 2021, 07:54:38 AM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel.
where was this mentioned?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 05, 2021, 08:08:44 AM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel.

Great news. Let's hope his voice is in a good shape, after getting rest from lack of touring.
He used to record in Canada previously right? Or did he record along with the rest of the guys for D/T?

He was with them for the writing process, but went home to track his vocals
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 05, 2021, 08:57:12 AM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel.
where was this mentioned?

Cameo
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 05, 2021, 11:04:28 AM
It was always my understanding - and it was a bone of contention for Mike, if memory serves - that the band convenes in NY/NJ wherever (I thought now it was "DT HQ") and when the music was done they sent the tapes to James where he was, who then put his stuff on top.
I think you are misremembering.  For most of DT's albums, James has been in the studio with the band.  I think he's only done the "record in Canada after the band" thing in recent years.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Robo4900 on March 05, 2021, 12:23:13 PM
It was always my understanding - and it was a bone of contention for Mike, if memory serves - that the band convenes in NY/NJ wherever (I thought now it was "DT HQ") and when the music was done they sent the tapes to James where he was, who then put his stuff on top.
I think you are misremembering.  For most of DT's albums, James has been in the studio with the band.  I think he's only done the "record in Canada after the band" thing in recent years.
Behind the scenes footage of Images & Words (https://youtu.be/l9PfeTKGKOs?t=3643), Falling Into Infinity (https://youtu.be/Q6EbPYlyXvU?t=45), Six Degrees (https://youtu.be/M_nmR6H1juQ?t=1479), ToT (https://youtu.be/TNhkNepkilc?t=835), Systematic Chaos (https://youtu.be/HAFrAMvYlS8?t=1028), and DT12 (https://youtu.be/wNVfsvUFg2w?t=81) all show him in the studio with the other guys for recording (he's also in the behind the scenes for Scenes From A Memory (https://youtu.be/muBfZoIsQoA?t=345), even though you don't see him recording). I think, as you say, him going to Canada to record is a very recent thing. I think it was first tried on The Astonishing and continued in Distance Over Time.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 05, 2021, 12:38:00 PM
It was always my understanding - and it was a bone of contention for Mike, if memory serves - that the band convenes in NY/NJ wherever (I thought now it was "DT HQ") and when the music was done they sent the tapes to James where he was, who then put his stuff on top.
I think you are misremembering.  For most of DT's albums, James has been in the studio with the band.  I think he's only done the "record in Canada after the band" thing in recent years.
Behind the scenes footage of Images & Words (https://youtu.be/l9PfeTKGKOs?t=3643), Falling Into Infinity (https://youtu.be/Q6EbPYlyXvU?t=45), Six Degrees (https://youtu.be/M_nmR6H1juQ?t=1479), ToT (https://youtu.be/TNhkNepkilc?t=835), and Systematic Chaos (https://youtu.be/HAFrAMvYlS8?t=1028) all show him in the studio with the other guys for recording (he's also in the behind the scenes for Scenes From A Memory (https://youtu.be/muBfZoIsQoA?t=345), even though you don't see him recording). I'm pretty sure the same is true of DT12. I think, as you say, him going to Canada to record is a very recent thing. I think it was first tried on The Astonishing and continued in Distance Over Time.

ADTOE was also recorded in Canada.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Robo4900 on March 05, 2021, 12:39:04 PM
It was always my understanding - and it was a bone of contention for Mike, if memory serves - that the band convenes in NY/NJ wherever (I thought now it was "DT HQ") and when the music was done they sent the tapes to James where he was, who then put his stuff on top.
I think you are misremembering.  For most of DT's albums, James has been in the studio with the band.  I think he's only done the "record in Canada after the band" thing in recent years.
Behind the scenes footage of Images & Words (https://youtu.be/l9PfeTKGKOs?t=3643), Falling Into Infinity (https://youtu.be/Q6EbPYlyXvU?t=45), Six Degrees (https://youtu.be/M_nmR6H1juQ?t=1479), ToT (https://youtu.be/TNhkNepkilc?t=835), and Systematic Chaos (https://youtu.be/HAFrAMvYlS8?t=1028) all show him in the studio with the other guys for recording (he's also in the behind the scenes for Scenes From A Memory (https://youtu.be/muBfZoIsQoA?t=345), even though you don't see him recording). I'm pretty sure the same is true of DT12. I think, as you say, him going to Canada to record is a very recent thing. I think it was first tried on The Astonishing and continued in Distance Over Time.
ADTOE was also recorded in Canada.
Interesting!

I wonder if I misinterpreted the DT12 footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNVfsvUFg2w&t=81s) then, and he was there to record scratch tracks but sung the final recordings in Canada. Or maybe he went back to recording with the rest of the guys for that album then switched back to doing it in Canada again for the subsequent albums.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on March 05, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
Of the last four records, I think only the vocals on the self titled album weren't recorded in Canada.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 05, 2021, 12:51:52 PM
Of the last four records, I think only the vocals on the self titled album weren't recorded in Canada.
Correct.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 05, 2021, 02:02:52 PM
Of the last four records, I think only the vocals on the self titled album weren't recorded in Canada.
Correct.

x3
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 05, 2021, 04:34:48 PM
James is off the studio in the next week to start recording. He's currently quarantining in a hotel.
where was this mentioned?

Cameo
confirmed via James' Instagram stories just now as well.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 06, 2021, 05:50:34 AM
another post by Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on March 06, 2021, 07:03:11 AM
another post by Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/)

Headphones on now, TAC :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Revenge319 on March 06, 2021, 08:47:56 AM
another post by Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/

Woah, that sounds cool!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 08, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 08, 2021, 11:50:46 AM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.
James will start tracking very soon (likely this week as he posted in an Insta story.) More as it happens of course. I presume Jordan is finished tracking now too. (he alluded to it during a livestream I watched recently.) Note that usually, vocals are the last link in the chain. (before mixing and mastering of course)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on March 08, 2021, 03:06:20 PM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.

JP mentioned they had a camera guy filming part of the writing process (probably the recording too, I hope). I assume they'll start promoting the new album in april.

About it being a double album non concept, I think it would be really cool! Let's see how long it'll take for James to record vocals...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 08, 2021, 04:18:31 PM
I'll give JP and the boys this: when they say they are working, they work. They've always been impressively concise with their recording...no 'Year in the Half in the Life of...' documentaries in their future.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 08, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
Idk, another double album so soon after the previous one? It would definitely be ballsy for sure. And it would be kind of odd have D/T sandwiched in between 2 double albums. But hey, if the music is good Iíll take it!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on March 08, 2021, 05:38:08 PM
another post by Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMEEGJgAGzl/)

Headphones on now, TAC :lol

 :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.
James will start tracking very soon (likely this week as he posted in an Insta story.) More as it happens of course. I presume Jordan is finished tracking now too. (he alluded to it during a livestream I watched recently.) Note that usually, vocals are the last link in the chain. (before mixing and mastering of course)



I thought JP did solos after vocals ?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 09, 2021, 01:41:42 PM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.
James will start tracking very soon (likely this week as he posted in an Insta story.) More as it happens of course. I presume Jordan is finished tracking now too. (he alluded to it during a livestream I watched recently.) Note that usually, vocals are the last link in the chain. (before mixing and mastering of course)



I thought JP did solos after vocals ?
IIRC, James was the last one to track during the D/T sessions. (and I mentioned usually for this very reason. Of course John may add in some solos, how would I know by now.)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JRuless on March 10, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
Considering the time this is taking for them to record, specially keyboards, I'm starting to think we're either getting another double album (non concept) like SDOIT or a "bonus" disc with a bunch of extra stuff.

I really wish they posted more updates, but I don't think they'll reveal much for a while, specially considering LTE3 is being released in a few weeks.
James will start tracking very soon (likely this week as he posted in an Insta story.) More as it happens of course. I presume Jordan is finished tracking now too. (he alluded to it during a livestream I watched recently.) Note that usually, vocals are the last link in the chain. (before mixing and mastering of course)
I thought JP did solos after vocals ?

Thats indeed quit common to reflect on the definite vocal lines.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 10, 2021, 06:23:18 PM
Comment from Jordan on his Patreon, a little hint:  "Hello everyone, I had a really wonderful three weeks recording on my keyboard tracks for Dream theater. I feel like itís probably some of the best stuff weíve ever done and Iím honestly very excited about it..."

I am aware Patreon is a paid membership so I don't want to post everything he says here for free but any small snippets that I can I will.  He does some great streams with Q&A's and is actively involved with his members, support your favourite muso's! Go check it out - https://www.patreon.com/Jordanrudess (https://www.patreon.com/Jordanrudess)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 10, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
Comment from Jordan on his Patreon, a little hint:  "Hello everyone, I had a really wonderful three weeks recording on my keyboard tracks for Dream theater. I feel like itís probably some of the best stuff weíve ever done and Iím honestly very excited about it..."

Thanks for sharing! This is very exciting, and can't wait for more updates soon in the following weeks. :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Pre-Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 11, 2021, 03:04:51 AM
Comment from Jordan on his Patreon, a little hint:  "Hello everyone, I had a really wonderful three weeks recording on my keyboard tracks for Dream theater. I feel like itís probably some of the best stuff weíve ever done and Iím honestly very excited about it..."

I am aware Patreon is a paid membership so I don't want to post everything he says here for free but any small snippets that I can I will.  He does some great streams with Q&A's and is actively involved with his members, support your favourite muso's! Go check it out - https://www.patreon.com/Jordanrudess (https://www.patreon.com/Jordanrudess)
added in, thanks very much
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 11, 2021, 03:57:26 AM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 11, 2021, 04:13:57 AM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
the last time I remember them saying so was when they made DT12. (which was an accurate description IMHO, and it's one of my favourites), but then again Jordan said D/T was an amazing album when he was finished tracking. (and it's not one I like a lot.) I don't go by what they say a lot, but his sheet music post made me a lot more optimistic about DT15. Anyway, I'll be back once there is something new to add in.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on March 11, 2021, 04:23:11 AM
It's totally okay to be excited and share that along with the hype that it brings. Personally I'll keep my expectations in check and just wait for a complete song to be released.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 11, 2021, 08:30:53 AM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat

It's absolutely a trope that many bands lean heavily on, but you are correct, DT has always been good about avoiding the 'hype' machine.

I've been involved in enough projects to know that, while we'd ideally always like to feel that what we're doing is the 'best thing ever,' it's often not. And when you're one piece of a bigger machine, it's completely believable that you wind up feeling 'meh' about a new album every now and then.

So, with all of that being said, this statement from Jordon has definitely piqued my interest.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on March 11, 2021, 03:07:15 PM
I know there are no keyboards, but I hope we get something kinda like Temple of Circadia.   :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dave_Manchester on March 11, 2021, 03:12:20 PM
I know there are no keyboards, but I hope we get something kinda like Temple of Circadia.   :metal

My favourite track (from my favourite album) of last year. I'd love to have something in that vein too.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on March 12, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
The post-Portnoy track record doesn't leave me with high expectations.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lupton on March 12, 2021, 10:37:52 AM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Somehow I doubt we'll ever hear:

"To be frank I'm a little bit underwhelmed by the new material. Not that it's bad or anything. I don't know. Maybe I just expected something with a little more wallop. *shrugs* Well...I suppose these new tracks I'm currently recording will do. "
-Jordan Rudess
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 12, 2021, 11:09:01 AM
The post-Portnoy track record doesn't leave me with high expectations.


I have low expectations.  I'd like to hear more songs like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior and Untethered Angel and less songs like S2N, Room 137 and Paralyzed
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 12, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Somehow I doubt we'll ever hear:

"To be frank I'm a little bit underwhelmed by the new material. Not that it's bad or anything. I don't know. Maybe I just expected something with a little more wallop. *shrugs* Well...I suppose these new tracks I'm currently recording will do. "
-Jordan Rudess


This is now the fake Jordan Rudess new album quotes thread  :P


"The new stuff is OK, we didn't break any new ground at all, but I'm OK with it being released like this.  It's good enough, I guess."
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 12, 2021, 11:24:08 AM
The post-Portnoy track record doesn't leave me with high expectations.
I'm shocked.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Lupton on March 12, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Somehow I doubt we'll ever hear:

"To be frank I'm a little bit underwhelmed by the new material. Not that it's bad or anything. I don't know. Maybe I just expected something with a little more wallop. *shrugs* Well...I suppose these new tracks I'm currently recording will do. "
-Jordan Rudess


This is now the fake Jordan Rudess new album quotes thread  :P


"The new stuff is OK, we didn't break any new ground at all, but I'm OK with it being released like this.  It's good enough, I guess."

Nice work!

"....and I found myself thinking. Damn. Here's all those same 'ol keys all over again, black and white in the same exact pattern. So I played a lick that I'd already used about 15 times. I looked over at John and he was..predictably playing the same riff that I had already guessed he would play for the umpteenth time. You see...I had already been through this whole process with John like six or seven times today"

OK I'll stop now.  :P
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on March 12, 2021, 12:07:15 PM
I'd like to hear more songs like At Wit's End, Barstool Warrior and Untethered Angel and less songs like S2N, Room 137 and Paralyzed

While R137 is somewhat unique, I think you could make a pretty good argument that AWE and Barstool Warrior are "songs like S2N" (and vice versa) and that UA is a "song[] like . . . Paralyzed" (and vice versa).  Really, these six songs are far more like each other than not.  Are you saying that you want fewer songs with bass intros (S2N) and shuffle beats (R137) and more songs about regret over life's decisions (BW) and battered women (AWE)?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on March 12, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Somehow I doubt we'll ever hear:

"To be frank I'm a little bit underwhelmed by the new material. Not that it's bad or anything. I don't know. Maybe I just expected something with a little more wallop. *shrugs* Well...I suppose these new tracks I'm currently recording will do. "
-Jordan Rudess


This is now the fake Jordan Rudess new album quotes thread  :P


"The new stuff is OK, we didn't break any new ground at all, but I'm OK with it being released like this.  It's good enough, I guess."

But you know how it REALLY goes...  they don't say that, they wait, and when they're in process of the NEXT album you see all the quotes like "well, the production on the last album wasn't that good....".

I can read a Gene Simmons quote on any given Kiss album and pretty much tell you EXACTLY when he said it.   

Gene Simmons, 1980:  "Unmasked is really Kiss at its core.  We're more than a metal band and this is our way of staying current and absorbing influences."
Gene Simmons, 1981:  "Our last album just wasn't produced right; the producer just didn't know what or who Kiss was.  Now, THIS album is really the essence of Kiss.  It's a story, and has the fantasy elements, and is forward thinking."
Gene Simmons, 1982: "Our last album, well, Bob Ezrin was just checked out.  This is what happens when you put things in your nose; the production suffered.   But this album is really back to basics, meat and potatoes Kiss."
Gene Simmons, 1983:  "Our last album was a great leap forward, but the production was horrible; we went for a big drum sound and got "booming echo" instead.  Whereas this album is us straight ahead.  SO straight ahead, in fact, that we're taking the makeup off. We don't need it, the music stand on it's own."
Gene Simmons, 1984:  "We're really proud that Kiss is more than just the makeup.  But we're still figuring it out; the production on that wasn't up to our standards.  So for this one, who better to produce Kiss than the guy who formed the band?"

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2021, 12:30:33 PM
If I were a musician and I was asked about how good is a new album, I'd use a travel analogy.

"What's your best holiday? the one you had last year, or the one you're planning now? last year you went to New York, you saw the Empire State Building, Manhattan, the Statue of Liberty. You enjoyed it, you've been there. But now you're going to San Francisco, the Golden Gate, the ocean, the atmosphere of the town. Which town is better? there's no correct answer, but it's normal to be excited for your future trip rather than continously watching the pictures of the old vacation. We did our last album two years ago, we've been there, but now we're creating new music and we're excited as hell about this new adventure, only time will tell how this album will sit in the rest of the discography, right now we're very happy with it because it's brand new!"

Or something like that.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 12, 2021, 01:10:21 PM
If I were a musician and I was asked about how good is a new album, I'd use a travel analogy.

"What's your best holiday? the one you had last year, or the one you're planning now? last year you went to New York, you saw the Empire State Building, Manhattan, the Statue of Liberty. You enjoyed it, you've been there. But now you're going to San Francisco, the Golden Gate, the ocean, the atmosphere of the town. Which town is better? there's no correct answer, but it's normal to be excited for your future trip rather than continously watching the pictures of the old vacation. We did our last album two years ago, we've been there, but now we're creating new music and we're excited as hell about this new adventure, only time will tell how this album will sit in the rest of the discography, right now we're very happy with it because it's brand new!"

Or something like that.
That's a great analogy. Although truth be told, sometimes your best vacation far exceeds the next one, so that's not always entirely true!   ;). But still, I get what you're saying, and it's much better than saying "this is our best album EVAR!" for the umpteenth time.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2021, 01:32:40 PM
" The new album ( Shoulder of Giants ) ?? It's ok I give it 8 out of 10. Same old pub rock bollocks. There's two shit songs on it "


- Noel Gallagher.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on March 12, 2021, 03:30:53 PM
If I were a musician and I was asked about how good is a new album, I'd use a travel analogy.

"What's your best holiday? the one you had last year, or the one you're planning now? last year you went to New York, you saw the Empire State Building, Manhattan, the Statue of Liberty. You enjoyed it, you've been there. But now you're going to San Francisco, the Golden Gate, the ocean, the atmosphere of the town. Which town is better? there's no correct answer, but it's normal to be excited for your future trip rather than continously watching the pictures of the old vacation. We did our last album two years ago, we've been there, but now we're creating new music and we're excited as hell about this new adventure, only time will tell how this album will sit in the rest of the discography, right now we're very happy with it because it's brand new!"

Or something like that.

That's a great analogy. Although truth be told, sometimes your best vacation far exceeds the next one, so that's not always entirely true!

I actually don't think it's a great analogy at all, for exactly that reason.  We did a family vacation to England and France in 2009.  The next year, we went to Washington, DC.  We were certainly looking forward to DC, but I don't think any of us thought it would surpass the prior year's trip.  And the year after that, we just took a couple weekend trips that weren't even close to the level of the prior two trips.  Also, you're not selling your vacation to anyone.  If someone asked me about an upcoming trip, it would be perfectly for me to say, "well, I doubt it'll surpass last year's European trip, but I'm sure we'll have fun."  By contrast, Billy Joe Rockstar can't really get away with, "well, I doubt it'll surpass our last album, but we sure are having fun making it."

Pretty much anything out of the band members' mouths is pointless, but they have to say it; otherwise, all the chatter would be, "why aren't they saying how great the new album is?!"
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2021, 03:34:49 PM
It's a running joke with a buddy about how musicians always talk up their new album. "It's our best album ever!"  I mean, what are they supposed to say? "Well, it's not that great, but please buy it anyway!"  :lol :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2021, 03:35:43 PM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2021, 03:43:04 PM
Remember when Adrenaline Mob was " his new permanent band " ?


...Until he heard the first album and jumped ship.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 12, 2021, 04:55:10 PM
I don't remember DT relying too much on the "best stuff we've ever done" trope, let's hope Jordan is a good judge of their own music then!  :hat
Somehow I doubt we'll ever hear:

"To be frank I'm a little bit underwhelmed by the new material. Not that it's bad or anything. I don't know. Maybe I just expected something with a little more wallop. *shrugs* Well...I suppose these new tracks I'm currently recording will do. "
-Kevin Moore

Fix'd  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 14, 2021, 05:06:14 PM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.

If you say it for every album you release, you're guaranteed to be right at least once. :justjen
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 15, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
Jordan mentioned in his stream yesterday, "We definitely upped it a notch sonically" in regards to the keyboards on the upcoming album, he hasn't told his tech what's coming yet.  It's going to be a lot of work getting it tour ready.  He also worked with JP and Jimmy T on a new lead sound using the Kronos and Neural DSP for a 'smoother and more focused' tone.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 15, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
Oh wow...JR actually spent the time to work on his sounds and create new ones.

This album is not going to sound like anything we've heard from JR before in Dream Theater. Now that has me excited to hear his new tones and sounds and how those will change the way the music of Dream Theater sounds.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 15, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
Usually my favorite DT albums are the ones with a lot of keyboard presence (SFAM, SDOIT, IAW, etc), so this sounds great :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 15, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Jordan mentioned in his stream yesterday, "We definitely upped it a notch sonically" in regards to the keyboards on the upcoming album, he hasn't told his tech what's coming yet.  It's going to be a lot of work getting it tour ready.  He also worked with JP and Jimmy T on a new lead sound using the Kronos and Neural DSP for a 'smoother and more focused' tone.
Good. Good.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on March 15, 2021, 01:05:05 PM
Usually my favorite DT albums are the ones with a lot of keyboard presence (SFAM, SDOIT, IAW, etc), so this sounds great :metal :metal :metal

Agreed, and throw Awake and Octavarium in there, as well as the 2nd half of BC&SL. ToT is not keyboard heavy but that one is one of my faves and is the exception.
ADTOE is also the strongest Mangini-era album imo as well, and no surprise, is the most keyboard dominated of the last 4 albums.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 15, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
They make ADTOE Part 2 I'll be one happy camper.  That album slays  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on March 15, 2021, 01:37:52 PM
They make ADTOE Part 2 I'll be one happy camper.  That album slays  :metal

Don't know exactly what you meant by Part 2 here, but I completely love ADToE and would love an album on that vein again!!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 15, 2021, 01:40:56 PM
Of that album I crave most the diversity.

DT12 was about short songs, with the single epic thrown in.

The Astonishing was one of a kind and a rock opera.

Distance Over Time was about being "back to normal" and so it was heavier and shorter stuff with the mandatory ballad.

This time give me once again an "anything goes" album, three epics, three ballads, three whatever they feel like doing!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 15, 2021, 01:44:24 PM
They make ADTOE Part 2 I'll be one happy camper.  That album slays  :metal
I hope so, but 10x more difficult.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Peter Mc on March 15, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.

Just out of curiosity, what albums released in the last decade do you consider to be the best two albums in his entire career?  Not asking to be a dick or to argue, weíre all entitled to our opinion.  Genuinely interested in what you think are MPís best two albums.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: illusionist on March 15, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
Oh wow...JR actually spent the time to work on his sounds and create new ones.

This album is not going to sound like anything we've heard from JR before in Dream Theater. Now that has me excited to hear his new tones and sounds and how those will change the way the music of Dream Theater sounds.

Even before Jordan's info about his keys sounds,i was excited about the new album.
The lack of info about it (and i don't mean MM quote about relentless energy and JR info about his different sounds) has me thinking about SFAM.
We had so little information about it prior to its release,that when it finally came out it caught us all off guard.
Plus,the fact that JP and JR reunited with MM for LTE sessions must have inspired them a lot and brought some fresh air into their writing process.
Also,it is their first album written and recorded in their new HQ,JP used an 8 string guitar for the first time and they had all the time they needed
to work with patience and make the best album possible.
Not to mention that the whole pandemic thing must have been a huge inspiration for them.
And we don't even talk about LTE3,that is about to be released (and which is most likely to be a masterpiece,as their 2 previous albums)
Seems that some fresh air blew in DT's camp!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on March 15, 2021, 10:42:12 PM
The post-Portnoy track record doesn't leave me with high expectations.
I'm shocked.

 :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: krands85 on March 16, 2021, 05:49:40 AM
Usually my favorite DT albums are the ones with a lot of keyboard presence (SFAM, SDOIT, IAW, etc), so this sounds great :metal :metal :metal
This, except sub ADTOE for SDOIT.

ToT is not keyboard heavy but that one is one of my faves and is the exception.
ADTOE is also the strongest Mangini-era album imo as well, and no surprise, is the most keyboard dominated of the last 4 albums.
They make ADTOE Part 2 I'll be one happy camper.  That album slays  :metal

Yup  :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Learning2Live on March 16, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.

Just out of curiosity, what albums released in the last decade do you consider to be the best two albums in his entire career?  Not asking to be a dick or to argue, weíre all entitled to our opinion.  Genuinely interested in what you think are MPís best two albums.
At least for me, if we're limiting to just the last decade or so, I'd say The Whirlwind and Similitude would be the 2.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
Usually my favorite DT albums are the ones with a lot of keyboard presence (SFAM, SDOIT, IAW, etc), so this sounds great :metal :metal :metal
This, except sub ADTOE for SDOIT.

I forgot ADTOE on my list, but it definitely fits in there :metal

They make ADTOE Part 2 I'll be one happy camper.  That album slays  :metal
I hope so, but 10x more difficult.

Well, MM did say there were some insane polyrhythms in DT15 :tup

I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.

Just out of curiosity, what albums released in the last decade do you consider to be the best two albums in his entire career?  Not asking to be a dick or to argue, weíre all entitled to our opinion.  Genuinely interested in what you think are MPís best two albums.
At least for me, if we're limiting to just the last decade or so, I'd say The Whirlwind and Similitude would be the 2.

The Whirlwind was released in 2009.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
^Probably the only year where, interestingly enough, I can say that MP put out a better album outside of DT than he did with DT (although I ranked BCSL my #1 and TW #2 at the time). 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Peter Mc on March 16, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
I get what you're all saying, but it's not like Jordan always hypes every DT album as "the best we've ever done", I think his excitement is genuine here.

It's quite the opposite with MP, who has arguably released the best album of his career about 4-5 times in the last decade (according to him, of course) :lol

Be fair: in a couple cases, he's been right.

Just out of curiosity, what albums released in the last decade do you consider to be the best two albums in his entire career?  Not asking to be a dick or to argue, weíre all entitled to our opinion.  Genuinely interested in what you think are MPís best two albums.
At least for me, if we're limiting to just the last decade or so, I'd say The Whirlwind and Similitude would be the 2.

I would also guess that TSOAD would be one (not for me personally but I know some consider it to be up there).  The Whirlwind though is more than a decade ago.  I think the comment was more to do with Mikeís post DT releases during the last decade, not earlier stuff whilst he was still in DT.  I may be mistaken but I think Stads is a big fan of Flying Colors so perhaps this would be in there.  I donít recall MP declaring either of those FC albums as the best of his career though.

Itís cool though that, all these years in, Mike is still releasing stuff that people rate as career high points  for him.  Not for me but itís great that others enjoy his stuff on that level.  My MP highlights would probably be I&W and SFAM with an outside shout for BAF so nothing too recent.  Heís still put out some great stuff since then with DT, TA and NMB but nothing to quite hit those heights for me.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TheRich13 on March 16, 2021, 04:15:51 PM
Is it confirmed that the album title will be DT15 ? , or just for discussion purposes till title info is released?
Thanks !
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 16, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Just for our personal reference. I'll update the thread with the actual album title once it will be known.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on March 16, 2021, 07:35:21 PM
What if the new album is self-titled again??
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 17, 2021, 02:02:18 AM
What if the new album is self-titled again??

What even would be the sense of it and how would we distinguish them?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2021, 06:00:08 AM
DT12 DT15
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 17, 2021, 06:08:54 AM
What if the new album is self-titled again??

What even would be the sense of it and how would we distinguish them?
well, Weather Report had two self titled studio albums in their discography (their first and their tenth, in 1971 and 1982 respectively). I refer to DT's self titled album as DT12. (and I'm sure most here do as well). Why did WR do it? I don't know.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2021, 06:14:12 AM
Is it confirmed that the album title will be DT15 ? , or just for discussion purposes till title info is released?
Thanks !
Hmmmmm...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 17, 2021, 06:15:57 AM
Is it confirmed that the album title will be DT15 ? , or just for discussion purposes till title info is released?
Thanks !
Hmmmmm...
it seems I preempted you there, very sorry. I always refer to DT albums in the making like that. (always did too)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2021, 06:49:05 AM
Is it confirmed that the album title will be DT15 ? , or just for discussion purposes till title info is released?
Thanks !
Hmmmmm...
it seems I preempted you there, very sorry. I always refer to DT albums in the making like that. (always did too)
No reason to be sorry.  Just seems like a strange question.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
 ;D ;D I'd love if they revealed the Official title as " DT 15 ".

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on March 17, 2021, 08:39:34 AM
The album could be called "Fifteen", so wouldn't be self-titled, but may still be referred to as "DT15".
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on March 17, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
What if the new album is self-titled again??

What even would be the sense of it and how would we distinguish them?

Self-title and Self-title part II.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on March 17, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
DT:B
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: CDrice on March 17, 2021, 06:18:38 PM
With JP using an 8 string guitar on the new album, everyone is expecting some mean and heavy 8string riffage. But I had this random thought that what if he decides to troll us hard and the track where he uses it is a soft mellow song where he uses rich extended chord voicings with a clean sound. It's probably not going to be the case, but I thought it would be funny  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Skeever on March 17, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
With JP using an 8 string guitar on the new album, everyone is expecting some mean and heavy 8string riffage. But I had this random thought that what if he decides to troll us hard and the track where he uses it is a soft mellow song where he uses rich extended chord voicings with a clean sound. It's probably not going to be the case, but I thought it would be funny  :lol

I was hoping it was a sign he was moving into some more contemporary techniques like the Tosin Abaai stuff. We've never heard much of that from him and I would rather hear them go there than to go into Meshuggah territory.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 17, 2021, 08:44:37 PM
inb4 he uses an 8 string guitar without ever playing the lowest string :justjen
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 17, 2021, 09:32:46 PM
With JP using an 8 string guitar on the new album, everyone is expecting some mean and heavy 8string riffage. But I had this random thought that what if he decides to troll us hard and the track where he uses it is a soft mellow song where he uses rich extended chord voicings with a clean sound. It's probably not going to be the case, but I thought it would be funny  :lol

 :rollin :rollin

Like using it as a texture, for the Rhythm that you can't tell is there because it's layered with the Keys.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 02:17:58 AM
inb4 he uses an 8 string guitar without ever playing the lowest string :justjen

So the opposite of why most people use them !
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 18, 2021, 08:00:30 AM
As long as he doesn't go off the deep end with an album full of 8-string djent-styled riffing.  I can take a song or two in that style, but an entire album?  ugh
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JediKnight1969 on March 18, 2021, 11:21:27 AM
Mangini interview

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-says-he-was-way-more-involved-in-making-of-dream-theaters-upcoming-album/

"the songs are lengthy."

THANK YOU.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 18, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Mangini interview

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-says-he-was-way-more-involved-in-making-of-dream-theaters-upcoming-album/

"the songs are lengthy."

THANK YOU.
added in, thanks very much. (although I prefer to use the original source page.)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 18, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
Cool.  That probably means they're more proggy/jammy with crazy instrumental sections.  Fucking A  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 18, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Mangini interview

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-says-he-was-way-more-involved-in-making-of-dream-theaters-upcoming-album/

"the songs are lengthy."

THANK YOU.

YES!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Best news I've had the whole week :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
I just had the same dread as when I heard that BC&SL was only 6 songs  :mehlin

I hope that they at least follow the ADTOE, DT12, D/T mould.

9 TRACKS - and one song around 13 mins.

I don't like albums with only 5 choices. I find you get bored of them way more quickly.

Even if they fill up the CD - 9 tracks would average around 9 mins. Which is fine by me.

----

Or maybe they could do The Incident / Six Degrees thing with one CD of lengthy songs and a bonus CD of shorter songs ?


Quote
Cool.  That probably means they're more proggy/jammy with crazy instrumental sections.  Fucking A  :metal

As long as it's like The Dance Of Eternity and less like Illumination theory where it's like Riff A - Riff B - Riff C - Riff D - with no flow at all.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 18, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
I'm optimist about him saying that the songs fly by even if they're long. Because I definitively feel all of the length of Endless Sacrifice or The Ministry of the Lost Souls when I'm into a slowish and melanchonic song and then I take derailed away for 5 minutes of LTE. Voices' 10 minutes however do fly by, because the songs keeps on being interesting without ever meandering away. I hope for the balance of Dramatic - three long songs, three slower ones, some shorter stuff, I want an "anything goes" kind of album!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: pg1067 on March 18, 2021, 01:42:19 PM
I just had the same dread as when I heard that BC&SL was only 6 songs  :mehlin

I hope that they at least follow the ADTOE, DT12, D/T mould.


I hope they don't follow a mold at all.  Three songs with an average length of 12:35 (e.g., Close to the Edge)?  Cool.  Or maybe we get 15 songs averaging 5:00?  Also cool.  Numbers and lengths don't determine quality, and pre-determining those things (i.e., following a mold) seems like a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 01:44:38 PM
"the songs are lengthy."

Which isn't really the point of what he is saying at all.  So that's kind of misleading to take out of context.  His point is simply that, due to the "energy" of the songs, they flow by and feel like they are over before you know it.  Funny that you would take a sound bite out of context when he goes on a min-rant in that interview about people not doing that very thing.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on March 18, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
Until we have the length of the songs all I can say is bravo to JP. Finally he is doing some fan service that was long overdue.

PS: John if you're reading (I know you are) try making it more of an album that stands out!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 18, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
"the songs are lengthy."

Which isn't really the point of what he is saying at all.  So that's kind of misleading to take out of context.  His point is simply that, due to the "energy" of the songs, they flow by and feel like they are over before you know it.  Funny that you would take a sound bite out of context when he goes on a min-rant in that interview about people not doing that very thing.
I'll change my short summary in the title page. Thanks for pointing me to it.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 02:02:58 PM
:lol  I hate you.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 18, 2021, 02:04:08 PM
:lol  I hate you.
me? Oh dear. Never intended to trigger that. (btw, I do try to react swiftly when someone mentions something to me while also keeping it concise. Hope it works out for this thread.)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 02:10:55 PM
Oh, I thought you were joking and went to change it to "long songs" as a result of my post.  Sorry.  :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 18, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
Oh, I thought you were joking and went to change it to "long songs" as a result of my post.  Sorry.  :lol
no, I read the Blabbermouth post (which mentioned long songs) and used that first, but then I actually found the source post with Mike's audio interview and then I realised my mistake, and you clarified it again, so thanks. Nonetheless, I can't hide my excitement just now. Anyway, I'll be back once I find something noteworthy.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on March 18, 2021, 02:24:12 PM
That could be something to look forward to. Last time we got lengthy songs was A Dramatic turn of events, which was awesome.  :metal
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 18, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
You know I feel like At Wits End, Barstool Warrior, The Bigger Picture, Breaking All Illusions are recent songs that really pass by in the way Mangini describes.

If these songs are like this and longer. It may end up being the best album from the recent era.

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 18, 2021, 02:34:47 PM
That could be something to look forward to. Last time we got lengthy songs was A Dramatic turn of events, which was awesome.  :metal


If they made ADTOE v2.0 I'd be THRILLED  :corn
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 18, 2021, 02:56:46 PM
If they made ADTOE v2.0 I'd be THRILLED  :corn

Particularly with the depth of sound that D/T has in its production. The song scope of ADToE plus D/T's mix would be quite the recipe for success.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on March 18, 2021, 03:29:06 PM
I took it to mean lengthy.  here are a couple of quotes  "And the songs are lengthy"........... "we were always shocked at the length, because it seemed like it went by ó it flew by."   :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: BelichickFan on March 18, 2021, 03:52:44 PM
Mangini interview

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-says-he-was-way-more-involved-in-making-of-dream-theaters-upcoming-album/

"the songs are lengthy."

THANK YOU.

My dream of DT Tales of Topographic Oceans live  ;)  Double Album, 4 Tracks  :rollin
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: evilasiojr on March 18, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
I took it to mean lengthy.  here are a couple of quotes  "And the songs are lengthy"........... "we were always shocked at the length, because it seemed like it went by ó it flew by."   :tup

Me too, specially the first quote. I get that it is in a context of "it is so good that you don't pay attention to the length" sort of comment, but I still felt that he meant the songs are long, in someway. We'll just have to wait a bit more now to see how long they actually are.

Either way, I'm already very excited for this album!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 18, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
Yeah I have to admit, I don't really see how quotes like that can be anything but the new album having longer songs. That assumption could be incorrect of course, but there's implication that the mindset of writing more compact songs was specific to DT12 and D/T in the interviews for those releases (with TA being something of an anomoly in the middle due to it being less a collection of songs and more parts of a whole rock opera). Even without MM's quote, I would've still assumed that the album length / song lengths probably would've been at a sort of mid-point between D/T and ADToE simply just because it's been 10 years since we had more regular 10m+ tracks and 8 years since any at all. That said, I don't think a return to a Six Degrees / Black Clouds style tracklisting (few, but hella long songs) is particularly likely.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 04:47:31 PM
If they made ADTOE v2.0 I'd be THRILLED  :corn

Particularly with the depth of sound that D/T has in its production. The song scope of ADToE plus D/T's mix would be quite the recipe for success.

Yes and if they don't master it too hot it could be their best album since Scenes From A Memory or Octavarium.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 18, 2021, 05:24:19 PM
Yes and if they don't master it too hot it could be their best album since Scenes From A Memory or Octavarium.

And given how they listened to noxon's feedback for the master of D/T, it's fair to say that they'll follow in that vein, or maybe even go more dynamic.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 18, 2021, 09:33:37 PM
All this talk about whether or not the new songs are long has got me thinking: when should we expect the proper album announcement/press release? I'm thinking sometime around mid to late May.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on March 18, 2021, 10:16:01 PM
I have to say, I came to Dream Theater at a really good time. It's been 5 years in February since my "discovery". TA and tour. IW&B tour, d/t and tour, Distant Memories, Terminal Velocity. Before the year ends we can add another DT record and LTE. I have been living in the best candy store evah!  :metal :yarr
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 18, 2021, 10:17:40 PM
All this talk about whether or not the new songs are long has got me thinking: when should we expect the proper album announcement/press release? I'm thinking sometime around mid to late May.

I'm fairly certain we got the title/cover from D/T in late November (3 months before release), so I think we'll see something around May/June.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on March 19, 2021, 11:15:35 AM
I have to say, I came to Dream Theater at a really good time. It's been 5 years in February since my "discovery". TA and tour. IW&B tour, d/t and tour, Distant Memories, Terminal Velocity. Before the year ends we can add another DT record and LTE. I have been living in the best candy store evah!  :metal :yarr
Nice!  The candy store has always been pretty sweet throughout DT history.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: JediKnight1969 on March 19, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
"the songs are lengthy."

Which isn't really the point of what he is saying at all.  So that's kind of misleading to take out of context.  His point is simply that, due to the "energy" of the songs, they flow by and feel like they are over before you know it.  Funny that you would take a sound bite out of context when he goes on a min-rant in that interview about people not doing that very thing.

I read the whole interview and totally understand that. I'm just happy with the fact that songs are lenghty. May i? I was expecting  that since ADTOE (last great DT album IMHO).
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Peter Mc on March 19, 2021, 02:05:30 PM
I havenít got into the interview yet but people are reading an awful lot into ďthe songs are lengthyĒ.  I mean, come on, this is Dream Theater, lengthy songs is their thing.  Aside from The Astonishing (and even that had the odd lengthy song) all DT albums are full of lengthy songs.  If he said the songs are longer than they usually do, then fine thatís something to discuss but a Dream Theater album having lengthy songs is just about the least surprising thing he could say.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 19, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
I havenít got into the interview yet but people are reading an awful lot into ďthe songs are lengthyĒ.  I mean, come on, this is Dream Theater, lengthy songs is their thing.  Aside from The Astonishing (and even that had the odd lengthy song) all DT albums are full of lengthy songs.  If he said the songs are longer than they usually do, then fine thatís something to discuss but a Dream Theater album having lengthy songs is just about the least surprising thing he could say.

He said they would listen back after they finished writing each song and were surprised that the songs were lengthy, yet they seemed to fly by. You can take that as you want, but since the last 3 albums have been all about short(er) songs for their standard fare (IT being the exception), it's definitely something that stands out.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: NoFred on March 19, 2021, 02:59:54 PM
Yeah also highlights what some of us are hoping for, one or two in the ~10 min range. Duration isnít the only thing but historically they deliver with longer (but not epic) length stuff.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: the_silent_man on March 19, 2021, 06:16:24 PM
Personally, I'm not reading anything into "lengthy songs" until it's confirmed. As much as I do want more 10+ min songs (to me this is where DTs strengths lie), "lengthy songs" can be completely subjective. For example, you could call a 6-7 minute song lengthy by typical standards, but that would be short by some of the standards DT have set in the past.
I won't get excited about this until the final tracklist/lengthy are revealed.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 21, 2021, 04:06:24 PM
JR Patreon Update: James expecting to finish recording vox at the end of next week.  All other tracks done. Jimmy T will be then doing prep ready for it to be sent off for mixing and mastering. 
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on March 21, 2021, 06:59:12 PM
Until we have the length of the songs all I can say is bravo to JP. Finally he is doing some fan service that was long overdue.

PS: John if you're reading (I know you are) try making it more of an album that stands out!

Seriously? Nice way to direct an insult at JP. And no he doesnít read this thread.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2021, 02:37:53 AM
TIL that a 60 minute album is "shitting all over your fans"...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 22, 2021, 05:13:49 AM
JR Patreon Update: James expecting to finish recording vox at the end of next week.  All other tracks done. Jimmy T will be then doing prep ready for it to be sent off for mixing and mastering.
Good. Good. Thanks very much. I'll add it in, but I will supplement it with an Insta post or the like once James is actually finished. (since it's more openly accessible than Patreon)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Renzo on March 22, 2021, 05:25:20 AM
Hello everybody,
I was inactive on the forum for a while due to the preparation for my graduation in piano. All I can say is that, IMHO, "lenghty songs" does not necessarily mean that they are 12-14 minutes long. Regarding this "Images and Words" has five songs above 7 minutes, with the longest of them that lasts 11, and they still have an 'energetic feel' that makes them sound like shorter songs. That said, I don't care much if JP takes a 'djenty' approach in the eight-string guitar song, I believe that in any case DT will be able to create something special. Finally, I remember a post who spoke of the JP would be trolling us so that the eight-string guitar is used in a completely clean and mellow context, even in that case the result actually would be pretty cool and innovative.  :angel:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 22, 2021, 05:32:47 AM
Hello everybody,
I was inactive on the forum for a while due to the preparation for my graduation in piano. All I can say is that, IMHO, "lenghty songs" does not necessarily mean that they are 12-14 minutes long. Regarding this "Images and Words" has five songs above 7 minutes, with the longest of them that lasts 11, and they still have an 'energetic feel' that makes them sound like shorter songs. That said, I don't care much if JP takes a 'djenty' approach in the eight-string guitar song, I believe that in any case DT will be able to create something special. Finally, I remember a post who spoke of the JP would be trolling us so that the eight-string guitar is used in a completely clean and mellow context, even in that case the result actually would be pretty cool and innovative.  :angel:
Now, I think that John using his 8 melodically would actually be likely, because remember, the guy breathes great melodies. (which is what I love about his playing)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 22, 2021, 05:33:27 AM
All I can say is that, IMHO, "lenghty songs" does not necessarily mean that they are 12-14 minutes long. Regarding this "Images and Words" has five songs above 7 minutes, with the longest of them that lasts 11, and they still have an 'energetic feel' that makes them sound like shorter songs.

Yeah, good point. Pull Me Under is a "basic" song for their standards, not for nothing it got so much airplay, but it's 8 minutes long in the end. I'm sure we might see at least a 10 minutes song on the new album, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're "long" as the I&W songs, who are relatively normal in length but definitively have so much going on.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 22, 2021, 05:52:19 AM
Hello everybody,
I was inactive on the forum for a while due to the preparation for my graduation in piano. All I can say is that, IMHO, "lenghty songs" does not necessarily mean that they are 12-14 minutes long. Regarding this "Images and Words" has five songs above 7 minutes, with the longest of them that lasts 11, and they still have an 'energetic feel' that makes them sound like shorter songs. That said, I don't care much if JP takes a 'djenty' approach in the eight-string guitar song, I believe that in any case DT will be able to create something special. Finally, I remember a post who spoke of the JP would be trolling us so that the eight-string guitar is used in a completely clean and mellow context, even in that case the result actually would be pretty cool and innovative.  :angel:
and btw, congratulations if you graduated. Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 22, 2021, 06:41:01 AM
I mean to be fair, by almost any other band's metric, the Images and Words songs are long. Considering that Distance Over Time has the shortest average song length other than The Astonishing, even song lengths that are par for the course for them or even on the lower end (like Falling Into Infinity or Awake) would seem lengthy in comparison.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Renzo on March 22, 2021, 06:50:11 AM
Now, I think that John using his 8 melodically would actually be likely, because remember, the guy breathes great melodies. (which is what I love about his playing)
Surely the voicing possibilities of the eight-string guitar could easily give space to more complex harmonies such as the additional 7th, 9th or even 11th of the chord. I've seen on YouTube various videos in which these possibilities are beautifully presented in a mellow and clean sound, even with a nine-string guitar.
Yeah, good point. Pull Me Under is a "basic" song for their standards, not for nothing it got so much airplay, but it's 8 minutes long in the end. I'm sure we might see at least a 10 minutes song on the new album, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're "long" as the I&W songs, who are relatively normal in length but definitively have so much going on.
That's the reason why Images and Words is my favourite album of DT (possibly of all time), the way the ideas and riffs are merged into the songs just flow in a magnificent way and are incredibly (musically speaking) coherent, in no sense we can say that the sections in those songs are forced, they just flow.
 :metal
and btw, congratulations if you graduated. Anyway, carry on.
Thank you very much man, here in Italy we have two cycles of degrees in piano. I've graduated the first and I'm intentioned to start the second this year, which would eventually allow me to teach piano in a Conservatory in the future.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: devieira73 on March 22, 2021, 07:57:06 AM
It's only an educated guess, but I think that, for lengthy songs, Mangini means songs that clock around 10, 12 or 15 minutes at most, for basically two reasons: because it's significantly above the average song lenght for DT MM era and because he mentioned that the songs "flew by". In my opinion (ok, it's a very personal point of view here), as good a 20 or more minutes a song can be, it will always sound like it lasts around the same amount of time. Lenghty songs, but shorter than that, if they are good/energetic enough, can sound like a 5 or 7 minutes song.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Vocals next. Energetic songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 22, 2021, 12:00:05 PM
Hello everybody,
I was inactive on the forum for a while due to the preparation for my graduation in piano. All I can say is that, IMHO, "lenghty songs" does not necessarily mean that they are 12-14 minutes long. Regarding this "Images and Words" has five songs above 7 minutes, with the longest of them that lasts 11, and they still have an 'energetic feel' that makes them sound like shorter songs. That said, I don't care much if JP takes a 'djenty' approach in the eight-string guitar song, I believe that in any case DT will be able to create something special. Finally, I remember a post who spoke of the JP would be trolling us so that the eight-string guitar is used in a completely clean and mellow context, even in that case the result actually would be pretty cool and innovative.  :angel:
Now, I think that John using his 8 melodically would actually be likely, because remember, the guy breathes great melodies. (which is what I love about his playing)
I don't remember which interview it was in, but JP had commented that his approach to using the 8-string will be just the same as he did when he first used a 7-string on Awake: it gave him a broader range from which to work within. So I would imagine that his use of the 8-string is gonna be pretty different from all the djenty bands out there. Yeah, there might be some djent, but probably very little, if any at all.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 22, 2021, 12:01:46 PM
I honestly feel that D/T has great energy and feels like it goes by pretty quickly.

What I actually enjoy about them now is how they are expanding this sound...The sound I am taking about is heard in The Bigger Picture, Surrender to Reason, Breaking All Illusions, Barstool Warrior and At Wits End. These songs remind me of the same sound of the Images and Words songs like Surrounded, Metropolis Pt.1, Under A Glass Moon, Learning to Live and Another Day.

And if we go by Manginis words. We might get an albums worth of Songs with this sound. And even the Heavy, if they can do something more heavier than Room 137, if a song needed an 8-String, that one would fit extremely well.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on March 22, 2021, 12:01:47 PM
Scotty: It could be from this interview I posted a few weeks ago.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_makes_it_official_dream_theater_made_a_song_with_8-string_guitar_for_new_album.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_makes_it_official_dream_theater_made_a_song_with_8-string_guitar_for_new_album.html)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Keys finished. Vocals next. Long songs. (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on March 23, 2021, 04:59:32 AM
Until we have the length of the songs all I can say is bravo to JP. Finally he is doing some fan service that was long overdue.

PS: John if you're reading (I know you are) try making it more of an album that stands out!

Seriously? Nice way to direct an insult at JP. And no he doesnít read this thread.
No insult from my side, it's just something a lot of people were asking for a long time and if it's going to happen it will be even more exciting for all of us, don't you agree?  Also this is the official forum of his band..it will be weird not reading us from time to time!
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Mladen on March 23, 2021, 05:43:25 AM
This isn't an official forum, though. They have acknowledged it in interviews and are definitely aware of the community, but the band doesn't have an official forum. I do not think they actively read it. James used to drop by back in 2011, but even he didn't comment on stuff.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 23, 2021, 05:46:58 AM
Correct. They know this forum exists and Bosk from time to time passes on general comments about the hot topics (if I remember correctly), but it's not that the band members actually read it, or know specific details such as "there's a thread that details the progress on the new album where every further info is updated for all to keep track".
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: darkshade on March 23, 2021, 06:26:20 AM
Didn't (doesn't) MP read this forum, at least back when he was in the band?

While everyone is different, I think a lot of established bands don't read their fan forums, official or not, because they don't want to be overwhelmed with the criticisms.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 23, 2021, 06:29:19 AM
While everyone is different, I think a lot of established bands don't read their fan forums, official or not, because they don't want to be overwhelmed with the criticisms.

I know forums are a dying breed, the dinosaurs to social media's meteors, but I believe that if these kind of forums were more widespread, bands could find actual insightful opinions rather than the usual social media stuff like Please tour my backyard, This song sucks lol, random tagging of a friend, and lot of random useless comments.

I truly believe that if one day the band members want to "hurt themselves" and going through the ordeal of reading through dozens of fans comment, they should check this forum rather than their social media pages.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 23, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
a studio shot from James: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMw4rfHM34K/
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 23, 2021, 08:46:25 AM
Any idea if that's his new home studio or if he made the trip to new york to work at John's?

Or I guess a third option could be a different studio in Canada
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 23, 2021, 09:05:43 AM
He's at DTHQ.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 23, 2021, 09:16:44 AM
That pic is great! I think he could rock the white hair quite nicely.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2021, 09:20:53 AM
That pic is great! I think he could rock the white hair quite nicely.

I agree. I hope the band moves past the hair dye phase.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2021, 09:24:00 AM
Is everyone getting grey/white except JM?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
JM doesn't age though.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 23, 2021, 09:37:20 AM
I think the last all around great 20 minute song was Octavarium.

The Count of Tuscany would disagree with you.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Cool Chris on March 23, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
And it would do so in a very long, drawn out, disjointed manner with cumbersome, awkward verbiage.  :laugh:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2021, 03:54:35 PM
That pic is great! I think he could rock the white hair quite nicely.

I agree. I hope the band moves past the hair dye phase.

I think LaBrie looked way better with his natural red hair and clean shaven than his dyed black hair and goatee gothic look. It's Dream Theater not Nightwish.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on March 24, 2021, 06:27:36 AM
Yeah in terms of style James has moved to a bit of a cringy phase in the past few years.
I think his grey hair looks badass, and he would look great if he kept it this way.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: goo-goo on March 24, 2021, 07:31:42 AM
He's at DTHQ.

Sure about this? James didn't want to travel to the US and he and Chance (his son) setup a home recording studio.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nikatapi on March 24, 2021, 07:56:56 AM
So i've told you guys about an interview i had done with Jordan, it's finally published.
Unfortunately for you it's translated in greek, hopefully google translate does a decent job:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/jordan-rudess/38077 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/jordan-rudess/38077)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Mixing in progress. Sept. release (Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2021, 08:22:26 AM
I think the last all around great 20 minute song was Octavarium.

The Count of Tuscany would disagree with you.
I don't think it would.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: jonny108 on March 24, 2021, 08:32:55 AM
He's at DTHQ.

Sure about this? James didn't want to travel to the US and he and Chance (his son) setup a home recording studio.

Yeah, Jordan confirmed James came to New York a couple of weeks ago and that they're hoping to finish vocals this week. 

You can also see on James' Cameo that he's there - https://www.cameo.com/jameslabrie (https://www.cameo.com/jameslabrie)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 24, 2021, 09:28:42 AM
So i've told you guys about an interview i had done with Jordan, it's finally published.
Unfortunately for you it's translated in greek, hopefully google translate does a decent job:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/jordan-rudess/38077 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.rocking.gr/interviews/jordan-rudess/38077)

"You know the other day I was in the studio talking to John Petrucci, since we were working on a really hot track, which has a great solo and is dynamite, and we laughed because I told him that even though we grow up, we do not slow down. We are talking about very intense material.

I think in this album it will be obvious to everyone, as it is to us that we take care of ourselves, in terms of our physical and mental condition, but also the musical ability. I think this seems because we can and do learn from every record, whether it is various tricks in production, orchestration and sound engineering. There are positive things that we like and we want to continue.

I believe that this album is a clear development, with a positive sign compared to the previous album. We certainly do not slow down, however, there is no doubt. As you can see I can not tell you more at this time, but I'm very excited, and I look forward to hearing from people, I think it will drive them crazy."

So energy definitely seems to be the word of the day here when it comes to each members' comments on the album alongside MM's "nothing short of a flame thrower on cotton candy" and "I've not played on an album this energetically unrelenting start to finish since Annihilator" as well as JP's "Everybody is on fire. The best ideas and best playing. And so the album, it's lit up. There's definitely a lot of energy and excitement to it."
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
The album will have four ballads, one epic, and a cover of "Hello Darlin'" by Conway Twitty.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 24, 2021, 10:47:40 AM

relentless
[ ri-lent-lis ]


--adjective


1. not easing or slackening; maintaining speed, vigor, etc.:
   (a relentless barrage of 64th note triplets over a 7/8 groove)


2. unyieldingly severe, strict, or harsh:
   (a relentless phrygian mode bass line that will tickle your 'taint and loosen your fillings)

Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on March 24, 2021, 11:20:39 AM
The album will have four ballads, one epic, and a cover of "Hello Darlin'" by Conway Twitty.

And one yodeling song as an ode to Slim Whitman................... :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dream Team on March 25, 2021, 06:28:56 AM
Yeah in terms of style James has moved to a bit of a cringy phase in the past few years.
I think his grey hair looks badass, and he would look great if he kept it this way.

Yup. Was watching the WDADRU DVD the other day and JP looked so cool. Cringy is the right word these days for the skullet, over-the-top beard and James' dyed jet black hair. Oh well it's the music that counts and this new album is sure sounding promising.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
My favourite Petrucci look was definitely Budokan.  Short hair and ... can't even remember if he had a goatee or not. Maybe just a bit of chin fluff.

But yeah - he looks pretty silly now.




(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentingreality.com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2Ff185%2F66275d1246961474-john-petrucci-petru.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)


EDIT : :tup

Maybe He should "The Edge" and just get rid of the hair which only accentuates his big forehead and just wear a beanie from now on.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: the_silent_man on March 25, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
I find these discussions about DTs looks silly. I don't think DT look any more ridiculous than any other metal band. They are just playing up to a look/brand. They're "rock stars" after all, not working a 9 to 5 office job...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: geeeemo on March 25, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
I like the short hair look. I like the long hair look better. It's all good to me. Jlb black hair look is cool, but he could rock the gray hair better then the others I think.
JP looks good now too with the big beard. I am a woman and he's just hot any which way.  :o
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2021, 01:45:16 PM
I find these discussions about DTs looks silly. I don't think DT look any more ridiculous than any other metal band. They are just playing up to a look/brand. They're "rock stars" after all, not working a 9 to 5 office job...


I don't agree. I was watching an interview with a band with a friend once and the guitarist goes " i've never taken drugs " and my friend goes Bullshit you're in a band..

As if it's fuckin MANDATORY. You don't HAVE to grow your hair and beard long and dye it jet black. You don't HAVE to get wasted every night and take drugs etc..

You also don't HAVE to wear all black clothes all day every day etc etc...

I saw an interview with one of Alice In Chains where he was like " I knew this life would not be healthy when I started " as if getting fucked up was just what you do.

Why do some people have zero will power ?
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Enigmachine on March 25, 2021, 02:35:57 PM
I mean, maybe JP just wants to have a long beard and dye it black... because he thinks it looks neat? I don't get how, just because he kind of embodies sort of a typical metal look, that somehow he feels like he HAS to look like that. Maybe he legit just got bored of his old look and wanted something different, it's hardly comparable to doing drugs or anything of the sort. It's not like his look is something that everyone secretly agrees is bad but he feels like he has to have it cause metal. For all we know, it could very well be the reverse and he did the short hair thing out of pressure to get with that early 00s aesthetic... but again, it also could've been that he legit liked it.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
We can at last be sure JP's beard isn't going away anytime soon, as he now has a signature line of beard care products :lol
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2021, 03:07:14 PM
Ah yes. Beard shampoo. Beard conditioner. Beard Oil. Beard Combs etc that you keep in a beard handbag.


Yet I drag 4 BLADES over my face every day and i'm not a real man  :hat :hat



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: hunnus2000 on March 25, 2021, 03:29:03 PM
All I know is it's really strange seeing JR with hair on his head.  :omg:
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2021, 03:43:15 PM
You mean again !

I liked his long hair around SFAM era.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2021, 03:54:50 PM
I find these discussions about DTs looks silly. I don't think DT look any more ridiculous than any other metal band. They are just playing up to a look/brand. They're "rock stars" after all, not working a 9 to 5 office job...

The music is all that matters in the end, for sure, but I don't agree with your take.  I, like others, find it cringe-worthy to see these guys in their 50's and 60's still sporting the super long hair in the back as their hairlines up top recede.  I mean, if the standard is "Hey, we don't look any more ridiculous than any other metal band," then, bravo, they are succeeding admirably, but at some point there is nothing wrong with having the distinguished, aging look.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2021, 04:02:54 PM
When you see those 70 year old guys walking around town with jet black hair - they just look ridiculous. And also the thing is - if their hair was white - nobody would be looking at them.

The same with blokes who wear OBVIOUS hairpieces. Everyone stares and goes " haha wig ".

If they were completely bald - nobody would even look at them.

For me - I don't care about getting a Salt and Pepper head of hair as it really suits some people. If I was thinning badly or receding really noticeably - i'd just get a buzz cut.

I'm not that bothered. Or just do what The Edge does - and shave your head but always wear a beanie !



This :


(https://intl.startrek.com/sites/default/files/styles/content_full/public/images/2019-01/ansonmount-dsc-hs.jpg?itok=1fdk_7fN)


will ALWAYS look better than THIS :


(https://imabeautygeek.com/.image/t_share/MTI2NTU1MzQyMDYxNTQxODU0/john-travolta.jpg)







* - Although to be fair to Travolta - he has ditched the stupid wigs and gone completely bald now...and yes - it looks so much better...
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: nattmorker on March 25, 2021, 04:22:41 PM
I mean, maybe JP just wants to have a long beard and dye it black... because he thinks it looks neat? I don't get how, just because he kind of embodies sort of a typical metal look, that somehow he feels like he HAS to look like that. Maybe he legit just got bored of his old look and wanted something different, it's hardly comparable to doing drugs or anything of the sort. It's not like his look is something that everyone secretly agrees is bad but he feels like he has to have it cause metal. For all we know, it could very well be the reverse and he did the short hair thing out of pressure to get with that early 00s aesthetic... but again, it also could've been that he legit liked it.

Totally agree with this. I guess he looks the way he wants to look, same with the other guys. We cannot conclude that they feel compelled to look certain way just because they're in a band.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Vmadera00 on March 25, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
When you see those 70 year old guys walking around town with jet black hair - they just look ridiculous. And also the thing is - if their hair was white - nobody would be looking at them.

I don't know what you talking about man  :lol

(https://metalmethod.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MAB-1.jpg)
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Architeuthis on March 25, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
All I know is it's really strange seeing JR with hair on his head.  :omg:
And he looks better as a result.   :tup
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: Dedalus on March 25, 2021, 05:06:04 PM
I find these discussions about DTs looks silly. I don't think DT look any more ridiculous than any other metal band. They are just playing up to a look/brand. They're "rock stars" after all, not working a 9 to 5 office job...

Of course it is.
Title: Re: DT15 in progress. Recording on home stretch.(Timeline for DT15)
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2021, 08:04:45 PM
I find these discussions about DTs looks silly. I don't think DT look any more ridiculous than any other metal band. They are just playing up to a look/brand. They're "rock stars" after all, not working a 9 to 5 office job...

Of course it is.

Definitely, but there's no real updates to discuss yet, so this is what we have in the meantime :lol
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